{"meta":{"dataset_id":"dover-meeting-transcripts","source_urls":["https://www.cityofdover.gov/meetings"],"license_id":"CC-BY-4.0","license_url":"https://creativecommons.org/licenses/by/4.0/","attribution":"OpenDover transcripts of City of Dover meeting video.","retrieved_at":"2026-10-31T08:19:25Z","snapshot_date":"2026-11-08","api_version":"1"},"table":"transcript_segments","count":16884,"truncated":false,"rows":[{"id":"seg_100247_1","meeting_id":"100247","media_asset_id":"med_100247_3cb001d482507af6","agenda_item_id":null,"speaker_id":"spk_100247_city_staff","speaker_confidence":0.8,"start_sec":0,"end_sec":1.1,"text":"Okay, go ahead.","topics_json":"[]","vector_id":"vec_seg_100247_1","created_at":"2026-10-31T06:00:36Z","speaker_name":null},{"id":"seg_100247_10","meeting_id":"100247","media_asset_id":"med_100247_3cb001d482507af6","agenda_item_id":null,"speaker_id":"spk_100247_chunk2_speaker_1","speaker_confidence":0.9,"start_sec":131.08,"end_sec":133.58,"text":"Daniel Noel. Okay. What did I say, Noel?","topics_json":"[]","vector_id":"vec_seg_100247_10","created_at":"2026-10-31T06:00:36Z","speaker_name":null},{"id":"seg_100247_11","meeting_id":"100247","media_asset_id":"med_100247_3cb001d482507af6","agenda_item_id":null,"speaker_id":"spk_100247_female_speaker","speaker_confidence":0.8,"start_sec":133.88,"end_sec":134.78,"text":"Jones.","topics_json":"[]","vector_id":"vec_seg_100247_11","created_at":"2026-10-31T06:00:36Z","speaker_name":null},{"id":"seg_100247_12","meeting_id":"100247","media_asset_id":"med_100247_3cb001d482507af6","agenda_item_id":null,"speaker_id":"spk_100247_chunk2_speaker_1","speaker_confidence":0.9,"start_sec":134.88,"end_sec":145.58,"text":"Jones! [laughter] Daniel Noel Daniel Noel. I'm sorry, Daniel Jones. I don't know where I got that from. I apologize, I recant. It is Daniel Noel.","topics_json":"[]","vector_id":"vec_seg_100247_12","created_at":"2026-10-31T06:00:36Z","speaker_name":null},{"id":"seg_100247_13","meeting_id":"100247","media_asset_id":"med_100247_3cb001d482507af6","agenda_item_id":null,"speaker_id":"spk_100247_female_speaker","speaker_confidence":0.8,"start_sec":145.98,"end_sec":147.78,"text":"Daniel Jones played basketball.","topics_json":"[]","vector_id":"vec_seg_100247_13","created_at":"2026-10-31T06:00:36Z","speaker_name":null},{"id":"seg_100247_14","meeting_id":"100247","media_asset_id":"med_100247_3cb001d482507af6","agenda_item_id":null,"speaker_id":"spk_100247_charles_martin","speaker_confidence":0.95,"start_sec":148.18,"end_sec":241.38,"text":"All right. So, uh, I'll go ahead, uh, Charles Martin, that, uh, I went by the property today and there is a coming soon, uh, real estate sign on that from, uh, Keller Williams. And, uh, so I just spoke with the agent whose name is on that sign, and she has, uh, a signed listing agreement and is going to email that listing agreement to Mr. Kopp. Uh, I expect he will get it this afternoon. Um, I told her just as quick as she could to to email that. Um, so that's the latest that I know, and I don't know. 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This is Andre, Councilman Andre Boggerty, chair of the City of Dover, Delaware, Construction & Property Maintenance Code Board of Appeals. Um, today is Wednesday, June 24th, uh, at 3:30, at 3:36, and, um, we are I have the agenda before you. Um, I make a motion that we approve the agenda.","topics_json":"[]","vector_id":"vec_seg_100247_2","created_at":"2026-10-31T06:00:36Z","speaker_name":"Andre M. Boggerty"},{"id":"seg_100247_20","meeting_id":"100247","media_asset_id":"med_100247_3cb001d482507af6","agenda_item_id":null,"speaker_id":"off_andre_m_boggerty","speaker_confidence":0.8,"start_sec":245.45,"end_sec":246.65,"text":"I agree.","topics_json":"[\"housing\"]","vector_id":"vec_seg_100247_20","created_at":"2026-10-31T06:00:36Z","speaker_name":"Andre M. 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Um, John England, code enforcement officer for the City of Dover for the last six years.","topics_json":"[\"housing\"]","vector_id":"vec_seg_100247_22","created_at":"2026-10-31T06:00:36Z","speaker_name":"John England"},{"id":"seg_100247_23","meeting_id":"100247","media_asset_id":"med_100247_3cb001d482507af6","agenda_item_id":null,"speaker_id":"spk_100247_john_england","speaker_confidence":0.95,"start_sec":254.75,"end_sec":265.55,"text":"Um, this case was uh generated back in April 21st, 2023 by Ron Coburn. 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On May 23rd, 2023, a second notice um stating that the city was reg- registrating- registris- registrating the property, um and a $375 invoice was sent certified. On 5/25/2023, um Mr. Coburn posted return- the returned certified mail, so it never got delivered or picked up, so he posted it on the property. 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That was $750, and it was sent certified.","topics_json":"[\"housing\"]","vector_id":"vec_seg_100247_28","created_at":"2026-10-31T06:00:36Z","speaker_name":null},{"id":"seg_100247_29","meeting_id":"100247","media_asset_id":"med_100247_3cb001d482507af6","agenda_item_id":null,"speaker_id":"spk_100247_city_staff","speaker_confidence":0.9,"start_sec":362.73,"end_sec":368.83,"text":"June 25th, 2024, the fee transferred to the customer service for taxes.","topics_json":"[\"housing\",\"taxes\"]","vector_id":"vec_seg_100247_29","created_at":"2026-10-31T06:00:36Z","speaker_name":null},{"id":"seg_100247_3","meeting_id":"100247","media_asset_id":"med_100247_3cb001d482507af6","agenda_item_id":null,"speaker_id":"spk_100247_board_member","speaker_confidence":0.7,"start_sec":24.1,"end_sec":27.8,"text":"Can you move to, uh, approve the agenda?","topics_json":"[]","vector_id":"vec_seg_100247_3","created_at":"2026-10-31T06:00:36Z","speaker_name":null},{"id":"seg_100247_30","meeting_id":"100247","media_asset_id":"med_100247_3cb001d482507af6","agenda_item_id":null,"speaker_id":"spk_100247_city_staff","speaker_confidence":0.9,"start_sec":368.83,"end_sec":380.73,"text":"May 23rd, 2025, third year vacant building letter and $1,500 invoice sent certified. The certified letter was signed on an unknown date.","topics_json":"[\"housing\"]","vector_id":"vec_seg_100247_30","created_at":"2026-10-31T06:00:36Z","speaker_name":null},{"id":"seg_100247_31","meeting_id":"100247","media_asset_id":"med_100247_3cb001d482507af6","agenda_item_id":null,"speaker_id":"spk_100247_city_staff","speaker_confidence":0.9,"start_sec":380.73,"end_sec":427.93,"text":"June 5th, 2025, the return certified mail um, got post- um, June 24th, 2025, the fee transfer to customer service for taxes. On August 5th, 2025, the utilities were terminated again to the property. On September 3rd, 2025, utilities were reinstated. On May 12th, 2026, this year, utilities were terminated again. On 5/26/2026, I sent out the fourth year vacant building letter and $3,000 invoice certified. On the same day, May 26th, 2026, the utilities were reinstated. And then on June 8th, 2026...","topics_json":"[\"housing\",\"taxes\"]","vector_id":"vec_seg_100247_31","created_at":"2026-10-31T06:00:36Z","speaker_name":null},{"id":"seg_100247_32","meeting_id":"100247","media_asset_id":"med_100247_3cb001d482507af6","agenda_item_id":null,"speaker_id":"spk_100247_city_staff","speaker_confidence":0.9,"start_sec":427.91,"end_sec":473.33,"text":"I posted the return certified letter on the property. And then June 9th, 2026, we received an email, or I should say that the city clerk's office received an email requesting an appeal. Just a point of information, since the home was properly purchased by Mr. Noel on March 31st, 2022, we have logged 13 cases against his property. Um, they- they ranged from tall grass or weeds to exterior property maintenance, vacant building fees, electric service terminations, um, et cetera. Um, and that brings us up to date.","topics_json":"[\"housing\",\"zoning\"]","vector_id":"vec_seg_100247_32","created_at":"2026-10-31T06:00:36Z","speaker_name":null},{"id":"seg_100247_33","meeting_id":"100247","media_asset_id":"med_100247_3cb001d482507af6","agenda_item_id":null,"speaker_id":"spk_100247_board_member","speaker_confidence":0.9,"start_sec":473.33,"end_sec":534.91,"text":"I can add one thing, uh, just for the record. To the best of my knowledge, we have not received any confirmation and deployment orders or written correspondence by any means, um, to go along with what Mr. Noel is- is claiming. He's claiming he's a DoD contractor. Uh, based on my previous experience with the military is, um, if you're on deployment orders, it's just that. That's why there's the Servicemembers Relief Act, because you're forced to be there. Um, in my conversations with Mr. Noel, it seems like he's there on voluntary duty as a civilian contractor. Uh, so I- I just want to put that clarification out there. He's- this isn't deployment order where you can force to be there. It's my interpretation that he's there voluntarily and he's not, um, an active-duty service member. He's a DoD contractor. So. I wasn't the real military service.","topics_json":"[\"housing\",\"public_safety\"]","vector_id":"vec_seg_100247_33","created_at":"2026-10-31T06:00:36Z","speaker_name":null},{"id":"seg_100247_34","meeting_id":"100247","media_asset_id":"med_100247_3cb001d482507af6","agenda_item_id":null,"speaker_id":"off_andre_m_boggerty","speaker_confidence":0.8,"start_sec":534.88,"end_sec":539.48,"text":"Armiger? Armstrong? Uh, Council President Neil.","topics_json":"[]","vector_id":"vec_seg_100247_34","created_at":"2026-10-31T06:00:36Z","speaker_name":"Andre M. Boggerty"},{"id":"seg_100247_35","meeting_id":"100247","media_asset_id":"med_100247_3cb001d482507af6","agenda_item_id":null,"speaker_id":"off_fred_a_neil","speaker_confidence":0.95,"start_sec":539.48,"end_sec":546.08,"text":"Uh, thank you, Mr. Chairman. Uh, one, has he paid everything that has been billed?","topics_json":"[\"housing\"]","vector_id":"vec_seg_100247_35","created_at":"2026-10-31T06:00:36Z","speaker_name":"Fred A. Neil"},{"id":"seg_100247_36","meeting_id":"100247","media_asset_id":"med_100247_3cb001d482507af6","agenda_item_id":null,"speaker_id":"spk_100247_city_staff","speaker_confidence":0.85,"start_sec":546.08,"end_sec":556.48,"text":"No. We have, um, most of his fees are still outstanding for, um, the numerous property maintenance cases with us.","topics_json":"[\"housing\"]","vector_id":"vec_seg_100247_36","created_at":"2026-10-31T06:00:36Z","speaker_name":null},{"id":"seg_100247_37","meeting_id":"100247","media_asset_id":"med_100247_3cb001d482507af6","agenda_item_id":null,"speaker_id":"off_fred_a_neil","speaker_confidence":0.95,"start_sec":556.48,"end_sec":585.28,"text":"So nothing has been paid, or very little has been paid of this. And if he had an agent, he would not have this—not the sales agent, but an agent that's listed. I mean, I'm really saying this for the record because you guys know all this. He's a danger to the neighborhood. He's a danger as a magnet for addicts who will destroy the inside of the house and can burn it down. Right.","topics_json":"[\"housing\",\"public_safety\"]","vector_id":"vec_seg_100247_37","created_at":"2026-10-31T06:00:36Z","speaker_name":"Fred A. Neil"},{"id":"seg_100247_38","meeting_id":"100247","media_asset_id":"med_100247_3cb001d482507af6","agenda_item_id":null,"speaker_id":"off_fred_a_neil","speaker_confidence":0.95,"start_sec":585.28,"end_sec":639.08,"text":"So the reason for it is is important, and if he is a contractor for the government and not military that's on assignment, that represents an entirely different picture.","topics_json":"[\"housing\"]","vector_id":"vec_seg_100247_38","created_at":"2026-10-31T06:00:36Z","speaker_name":"Fred A. 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So, within the vacant building ordinance, you are required to maintain the property in accordance with all codes. This property has not met that requirement over the course of this","topics_json":"[\"housing\",\"zoning\"]","vector_id":"vec_seg_100247_42","created_at":"2026-10-31T06:00:36Z","speaker_name":null},{"id":"seg_100247_43","meeting_id":"100247","media_asset_id":"med_100247_3cb001d482507af6","agenda_item_id":null,"speaker_id":"spk_100247_board_member","speaker_confidence":0.85,"start_sec":661.36,"end_sec":672.66,"text":"Okay, I may direct this to Charles, who's a member of of this board. Would the sales agent be responsible for taking care of all those things on that property?","topics_json":"[\"housing\",\"business\"]","vector_id":"vec_seg_100247_43","created_at":"2026-10-31T06:00:36Z","speaker_name":null},{"id":"seg_100247_44","meeting_id":"100247","media_asset_id":"med_100247_3cb001d482507af6","agenda_item_id":null,"speaker_id":"spk_100247_charles_martin","speaker_confidence":0.9,"start_sec":672.66,"end_sec":685.86,"text":"Um, that sign has just gone up, so she has not been his agent for three years by any means. She's now the agent for that property owner.","topics_json":"[\"housing\",\"business\"]","vector_id":"vec_seg_100247_44","created_at":"2026-10-31T06:00:36Z","speaker_name":"Charles Martin"},{"id":"seg_100247_45","meeting_id":"100247","media_asset_id":"med_100247_3cb001d482507af6","agenda_item_id":null,"speaker_id":"spk_100247_board_member","speaker_confidence":0.85,"start_sec":685.86,"end_sec":687.26,"text":"Yeah.","topics_json":"[]","vector_id":"vec_seg_100247_45","created_at":"2026-10-31T06:00:36Z","speaker_name":null},{"id":"seg_100247_46","meeting_id":"100247","media_asset_id":"med_100247_3cb001d482507af6","agenda_item_id":null,"speaker_id":"spk_100247_charles_martin","speaker_confidence":0.9,"start_sec":687.26,"end_sec":695.66,"text":"And it's and it's going to be for sale. She said they're shooting for July the 2nd, I think is what she said.","topics_json":"[\"housing\",\"business\"]","vector_id":"vec_seg_100247_46","created_at":"2026-10-31T06:00:36Z","speaker_name":"Charles Martin"},{"id":"seg_100247_47","meeting_id":"100247","media_asset_id":"med_100247_3cb001d482507af6","agenda_item_id":null,"speaker_id":"spk_100247_city_staff","speaker_confidence":0.9,"start_sec":695.66,"end_sec":709.66,"text":"And just for clarification, correct me if I'm wrong, she would be specific to the sale of the property. She's not going to she's not going to take over any property maintenance things that would be there.","topics_json":"[\"housing\"]","vector_id":"vec_seg_100247_47","created_at":"2026-10-31T06:00:36Z","speaker_name":null},{"id":"seg_100247_48","meeting_id":"100247","media_asset_id":"med_100247_3cb001d482507af6","agenda_item_id":null,"speaker_id":"spk_100247_charles_martin","speaker_confidence":0.9,"start_sec":709.66,"end_sec":726.36,"text":"No, that would be between her and the and the owner as to whether she was going to contract people to keep the grass cut. 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Court, again 7 Scioto Court, uh, with the representative listed as Daniel Jones has not uh, joined us either in person or virtually regarding this matter.","topics_json":"[]","vector_id":"vec_seg_100247_8","created_at":"2026-10-31T06:00:36Z","speaker_name":null},{"id":"seg_100247_80","meeting_id":"100247","media_asset_id":"med_100247_3cb001d482507af6","agenda_item_id":null,"speaker_id":"spk_100247_chair","speaker_confidence":0.9,"start_sec":886.51,"end_sec":889.11,"text":"Uh, three denies. 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And, um, so the appeal is denied.","topics_json":"[\"housing\"]","vector_id":"vec_seg_100247_82","created_at":"2026-10-31T06:00:36Z","speaker_name":null},{"id":"seg_100247_83","meeting_id":"100247","media_asset_id":"med_100247_3cb001d482507af6","agenda_item_id":null,"speaker_id":"spk_100247_chair","speaker_confidence":0.9,"start_sec":898.01,"end_sec":903.71,"text":"Um, I call for the adjournment of the Construction and Property Maintenance Code Board of Appeals.","topics_json":"[]","vector_id":"vec_seg_100247_83","created_at":"2026-10-31T06:00:36Z","speaker_name":null},{"id":"seg_100247_84","meeting_id":"100247","media_asset_id":"med_100247_3cb001d482507af6","agenda_item_id":null,"speaker_id":"spk_100247_board_member_1","speaker_confidence":0.85,"start_sec":903.91,"end_sec":904.71,"text":"So moved.","topics_json":"[]","vector_id":"vec_seg_100247_84","created_at":"2026-10-31T06:00:36Z","speaker_name":null},{"id":"seg_100247_85","meeting_id":"100247","media_asset_id":"med_100247_3cb001d482507af6","agenda_item_id":null,"speaker_id":"spk_100247_martin","speaker_confidence":0.85,"start_sec":904.81,"end_sec":905.51,"text":"Martin.","topics_json":"[]","vector_id":"vec_seg_100247_85","created_at":"2026-10-31T06:00:36Z","speaker_name":null},{"id":"seg_100247_86","meeting_id":"100247","media_asset_id":"med_100247_3cb001d482507af6","agenda_item_id":null,"speaker_id":"spk_100247_board_member_2","speaker_confidence":0.85,"start_sec":906.31,"end_sec":907.31,"text":"Second.","topics_json":"[]","vector_id":"vec_seg_100247_86","created_at":"2026-10-31T06:00:36Z","speaker_name":null},{"id":"seg_100247_87","meeting_id":"100247","media_asset_id":"med_100247_3cb001d482507af6","agenda_item_id":null,"speaker_id":"spk_100247_chair","speaker_confidence":0.9,"start_sec":907.61,"end_sec":910.81,"text":"Been properly moved and seconded. 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Anderson"},{"id":"seg_100462_10","meeting_id":"100462","media_asset_id":"med_100462_55b5bd7aecf3a8b1","agenda_item_id":null,"speaker_id":"off_fred_a_neil","speaker_confidence":0.95,"start_sec":55.7,"end_sec":333.1,"text":"I thank you, Mr. Chairman. We're here today because of a cry for help. A cry for help that contains a deep irony. A group of citizens came to me and shared their concerns. Those concerns, reflected in the memorandum included in your packets, describe the situation where the sincere desire to help people struggling with addiction or mental illness, some members of the public and elected officials have become enablers. Instead of helping them recover, we have allowed behaviors that damage businesses, reduce property values, and diminish the quality of life for the overwhelming majority of our citizens. The irony is that we depend on the tax dollars charged very citizens and businesses to provide the services for those in need. We see the symptoms every day. They include, some individuals simply have given up on the traditional way of life, while others have made panhandling into a profession. Whatever the circumstances, the current system is not serving them, or the community, well. When I first moved to Dover in 2003, I was barely aware of the Alderman's Court. It disappeared because it cost more to operate than it generated in revenue. Here's another irony: the purpose of the new Alderman's Court could should never be to take money from people who have no money. That would be the height of insanity. Instead, the court should provide a legal framework to help, to require help for people who cannot help themselves. Many individuals suffering from addiction or serious mental illness are simply not acting rationally. Without accountability, they continue harming themselves, while disturbing the lives of those around them. For a variety of reasons, our overburdened justice system has largely turned away from enforcing many so-called loitering laws. As a result, these laws have ceased to be effective tools, either to help those in crisis or to protect the people and the businesses affected by their behavior. The devastation caused by addiction is deeply personal to me. My beautiful niece was a former state's attorney for Carroll County, Maryland. She was married to an emergency room physician, and had every reason to expect a bright future. After a serious automobile accident, she became addicted to prescription opioids. When tighter controls closed off those prescriptions, she turned to drugs purchased on the street, and she died from an overdose. I spent more than 20 years in as a public affairs officer for the Maryland Department of Vocational Rehabilitation, based at the at Maryland Rehabilitation Center, one of only nine comprehensive rehabilitation centers of its kind in the nation. There, I witnessed dedicated professionals helping people with blindness, mental illness, physical disabilities, and many other challenges to prepare for employment and return to productive, independent lives. I've also watched individuals who have been successfully trained and ready for employment stop taking the medications that allowed them to function. Some dislike the side effects, others believed they no longer needed it, and their lives quickly unraveled. At the age of 92, I fully understand why some people fear the new Alderman's Court could be unfairly used against minorities or vulnerable individuals. Those concerns deserve to be taken seriously. It is the responsibility of this distinguished panel to ensure that that never happens. There are plenty of offenders who knowingly violate our traffic laws, commit other offenses, and they should be able to provide sufficient revenue for the court to operate responsibly. The court should not balance its books on the backs of those people who are least able to pay. Our responsibility is to build a system that keeps our streets safe, protects our neighborhoods and businesses, and most importantly, requires meaningful help for those who cannot help themselves. If we can accomplish that, we will have served both justice and compassion. And with that, Mr. Chairman, I yield the floor to you.","topics_json":"[\"public_safety\",\"budget\",\"taxes\",\"business\"]","vector_id":"vec_seg_100462_10","created_at":"2026-10-31T06:14:53Z","speaker_name":"Fred A. 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Never.","topics_json":"[]","vector_id":"vec_seg_100462_103","created_at":"2026-10-31T06:14:54Z","speaker_name":null},{"id":"seg_100462_104","meeting_id":"100462","media_asset_id":"med_100462_55b5bd7aecf3a8b1","agenda_item_id":null,"speaker_id":"off_roy_sudler_jr","speaker_confidence":0.95,"start_sec":2398.55,"end_sec":2419.15,"text":"Thank you. There's a JP civil court and a JP criminal court. The uh the JP civil court is uh would continue to exist the way it is. We're not dealing with the civil court. Yeah. Yeah, it's two different jurisdictions there.","topics_json":"[]","vector_id":"vec_seg_100462_104","created_at":"2026-10-31T06:14:54Z","speaker_name":"Roy Sudler, Jr."},{"id":"seg_100462_105","meeting_id":"100462","media_asset_id":"med_100462_55b5bd7aecf3a8b1","agenda_item_id":null,"speaker_id":"off_roy_sudler_jr","speaker_confidence":0.95,"start_sec":2422.98,"end_sec":2426.03,"text":"Uh, anyone else? Yes.","topics_json":"[]","vector_id":"vec_seg_100462_105","created_at":"2026-10-31T06:14:54Z","speaker_name":"Roy Sudler, Jr."},{"id":"seg_100462_106","meeting_id":"100462","media_asset_id":"med_100462_55b5bd7aecf3a8b1","agenda_item_id":null,"speaker_id":"spk_100462_newark_court_representative","speaker_confidence":0.85,"start_sec":2426.41,"end_sec":2429.25,"text":"Can I ask a question? Sorry.","topics_json":"[]","vector_id":"vec_seg_100462_106","created_at":"2026-10-31T06:14:54Z","speaker_name":null},{"id":"seg_100462_107","meeting_id":"100462","media_asset_id":"med_100462_55b5bd7aecf3a8b1","agenda_item_id":null,"speaker_id":"off_roy_sudler_jr","speaker_confidence":0.9,"start_sec":2429.25,"end_sec":2430.06,"text":"Yeah.","topics_json":"[]","vector_id":"vec_seg_100462_107","created_at":"2026-10-31T06:14:54Z","speaker_name":"Roy Sudler, Jr."},{"id":"seg_100462_108","meeting_id":"100462","media_asset_id":"med_100462_55b5bd7aecf3a8b1","agenda_item_id":null,"speaker_id":"spk_100462_newark_court_representative","speaker_confidence":0.85,"start_sec":2430.06,"end_sec":2446.89,"text":"When when you're saying civil, um I don't like we do handle some civil violations here. Like underage is now civil, it's not criminal. Marijuana's civil. So there are some civil violations that come through our court. So I'm not, you know, I'm not sure when you're differentiating between civil and criminal.","topics_json":"[]","vector_id":"vec_seg_100462_108","created_at":"2026-10-31T06:14:54Z","speaker_name":null},{"id":"seg_100462_109","meeting_id":"100462","media_asset_id":"med_100462_55b5bd7aecf3a8b1","agenda_item_id":null,"speaker_id":"off_roy_sudler_jr","speaker_confidence":0.95,"start_sec":2446.89,"end_sec":2457.61,"text":"Well, yes. Yes, we're talking about like um lawsuits.","topics_json":"[]","vector_id":"vec_seg_100462_109","created_at":"2026-10-31T06:14:54Z","speaker_name":"Roy Sudler, Jr."},{"id":"seg_100462_11","meeting_id":"100462","media_asset_id":"med_100462_55b5bd7aecf3a8b1","agenda_item_id":null,"speaker_id":"off_david_l_anderson","speaker_confidence":0.95,"start_sec":333.1,"end_sec":436.7,"text":"Thank you, Mr. President. That's appreciated, and there's, and if you uh many of you have it, I know some of you may be a little newer to the system uh under the meetings and agendas. If you haven't seen it yet, there's a packet. Some of you may have checked back when it was just the agenda, but there's a full packet of information, and you which is uh being shown on the screen right now, and you are are welcome to uh go back into it at any time. Uh there's uh uh the President's original memo. I also included a memorandum which gave gives a little bit of uh of an overview of the Newark court. Uh there's also statewide uh caseload information, and there's uh budgetary information right from the uh Chief Alderman, then who we hope we're in contact with and hope to have at a future meeting.","topics_json":"[\"budget\"]","vector_id":"vec_seg_100462_11","created_at":"2026-10-31T06:14:53Z","speaker_name":"David L. Anderson"},{"id":"seg_100462_110","meeting_id":"100462","media_asset_id":"med_100462_55b5bd7aecf3a8b1","agenda_item_id":null,"speaker_id":"spk_100462_newark_court_representative","speaker_confidence":0.85,"start_sec":2457.87,"end_sec":2460.59,"text":"Oh, yes. No, we definitely do not handle that. No.","topics_json":"[]","vector_id":"vec_seg_100462_110","created_at":"2026-10-31T06:14:54Z","speaker_name":null},{"id":"seg_100462_111","meeting_id":"100462","media_asset_id":"med_100462_55b5bd7aecf3a8b1","agenda_item_id":null,"speaker_id":"off_roy_sudler_jr","speaker_confidence":0.95,"start_sec":2460.59,"end_sec":2463.45,"text":"Yeah, that type of litigation.","topics_json":"[]","vector_id":"vec_seg_100462_111","created_at":"2026-10-31T06:14:54Z","speaker_name":"Roy Sudler, Jr."},{"id":"seg_100462_112","meeting_id":"100462","media_asset_id":"med_100462_55b5bd7aecf3a8b1","agenda_item_id":null,"speaker_id":"spk_100462_newark_court_representative","speaker_confidence":0.85,"start_sec":2463.45,"end_sec":2464.91,"text":"Okay. Yeah.","topics_json":"[]","vector_id":"vec_seg_100462_112","created_at":"2026-10-31T06:14:54Z","speaker_name":null},{"id":"seg_100462_113","meeting_id":"100462","media_asset_id":"med_100462_55b5bd7aecf3a8b1","agenda_item_id":null,"speaker_id":"off_roy_sudler_jr","speaker_confidence":0.95,"start_sec":2464.91,"end_sec":2466.73,"text":"I should say civil litigation.","topics_json":"[]","vector_id":"vec_seg_100462_113","created_at":"2026-10-31T06:14:54Z","speaker_name":"Roy Sudler, Jr."},{"id":"seg_100462_114","meeting_id":"100462","media_asset_id":"med_100462_55b5bd7aecf3a8b1","agenda_item_id":null,"speaker_id":"spk_100462_william_l_witham_jr","speaker_confidence":0.85,"start_sec":2466.89,"end_sec":2468.3,"text":"Talking about like small claims.","topics_json":"[]","vector_id":"vec_seg_100462_114","created_at":"2026-10-31T06:14:54Z","speaker_name":"William L. Witham Jr."},{"id":"seg_100462_115","meeting_id":"100462","media_asset_id":"med_100462_55b5bd7aecf3a8b1","agenda_item_id":null,"speaker_id":"off_roy_sudler_jr","speaker_confidence":0.95,"start_sec":2468.3,"end_sec":2471.13,"text":"Yes, small claims and and the like.","topics_json":"[]","vector_id":"vec_seg_100462_115","created_at":"2026-10-31T06:14:54Z","speaker_name":"Roy Sudler, Jr."},{"id":"seg_100462_116","meeting_id":"100462","media_asset_id":"med_100462_55b5bd7aecf3a8b1","agenda_item_id":null,"speaker_id":"spk_100462_newark_court_representative","speaker_confidence":0.85,"start_sec":2471.13,"end_sec":2473.05,"text":"Right. Yes, we do not handle any of that.","topics_json":"[]","vector_id":"vec_seg_100462_116","created_at":"2026-10-31T06:14:54Z","speaker_name":null},{"id":"seg_100462_117","meeting_id":"100462","media_asset_id":"med_100462_55b5bd7aecf3a8b1","agenda_item_id":null,"speaker_id":"off_roy_sudler_jr","speaker_confidence":0.95,"start_sec":2473.32,"end_sec":2499.92,"text":"In fact, one of the things that you all have that's uh unique that that affects temporarily your closure rates and uh actually makes your closure rates look a little less than they are is because Newark has something unique, which I think we need as well, which is probation before judgment is part of your enabling legislation, which uh which allows somebody, if they stay clear for 6 months or 12 months, depending on the offense, sometimes even less, to even be cleared. And so it looks like the charge they were charged, but the charge was cleared and dismissed, but instead they fulfilled their probation before judgment, so it allows people not to have a criminal record, but yet um get straight and straighten up their lives. Um, and because you don't want a first-time uh student from DSU uh, uh having a little too much to drink and get stupid um, you know, to have a criminal record when they can when you can get them straight on the straight path and do a probation before judgment. And that's that's sort of uh that's what you all have with uh University of Delaware, and And that affects the clearance rates.","topics_json":"[]","vector_id":"vec_seg_100462_117","created_at":"2026-10-31T06:14:54Z","speaker_name":"Roy Sudler, Jr."},{"id":"seg_100462_118","meeting_id":"100462","media_asset_id":"med_100462_55b5bd7aecf3a8b1","agenda_item_id":null,"speaker_id":"spk_100462_newark_court_representative","speaker_confidence":0.85,"start_sec":2500.77,"end_sec":2566.42,"text":"It's a little it's the state courts do like JP Court does probation before judgment. We do probation before judgment. The both the courts do it. Every court does it. Like we Alderman's Court does it different than that the JP Court. So if you have a traffic violation here in Alderman's Court, if you have not had a moving moving traffic violation, not a seat belt, not a registration, but like failure to stop at a stop sign, failure to yield, and you have not had a traffic violation in five years, moving traffic violation, you are eligible for probation before judgment. So we run your record. If you're out of state, we have to verify that in another state you didn't have not have any uh moving violations. Then you're eligible. We put you on a term of probation, and it could be 6 months, it could be less. You know, it's it's case by case. But and then we run you in 6 months. You have to have paid the fine, and we run you and make sure that you didn't pick up another traffic violation. If you did, then that would violate that probation, and that probation now becomes a straight guilty. It's a guilty. The other probation, if you successfully complete it, it's not considered a conviction. It's not reported to the DMV. It shouldn't affect your insurance at all. Um, but it is on your record. It doesn't go away. So I don't want like so if you have probation before judgment for a traffic record, and I run your record whether in DMV or in DELJIS, I can see your speeding ticket and that you received probation before judgment. It never it doesn't go away. A DUI never goes away, it's always on your record. Criminal, criminal cases, let's say an open container, now that is criminal, and they get probation before judgment. So you only look at their criminal record to see if they've had anything in the last 5 years. Now a lot of the college students could have had a noise violation a year ago, successfully completed the term of probation, however now they pick up another one, they are not eligible for probation because it has not been longer than 5 5 years. They can get the criminal probation before judgments, they can get those expunged. Traffic, you cannot expunge those, and civil violations, like an open container now civil, that cannot be expunged. But your criminal, your criminal um probation before judgments can be expunged once you successfully complete the term of probation. I don't If that explains it. It's Probation before judgment is not considered a conviction. So we UD is still notified, because it's they get a copy of our docket, but it's not a conviction. I don't know what they do for their discipline for for the students that get noise violations, open containers, you know, the parties. Like we have some civil when there's more than, you know, 50 people at a party. That's a civil violation. Um, if that better explains it. It it is on your record. I just want you know, even though you have probation before judgment for traffic, it is on your record. It's just not considered a conviction. It doesn't get reported to DMV. And same with criminal, it's not considered a conviction, and you can later get it expunged. I I hope that explains it a little better.","topics_json":"[]","vector_id":"vec_seg_100462_118","created_at":"2026-10-31T06:14:54Z","speaker_name":null},{"id":"seg_100462_119","meeting_id":"100462","media_asset_id":"med_100462_55b5bd7aecf3a8b1","agenda_item_id":null,"speaker_id":"spk_100462_william_l_witham_jr","speaker_confidence":0.85,"start_sec":2566.42,"end_sec":2567.51,"text":"Thank you.","topics_json":"[]","vector_id":"vec_seg_100462_119","created_at":"2026-10-31T06:14:54Z","speaker_name":"William L. Witham Jr."},{"id":"seg_100462_12","meeting_id":"100462","media_asset_id":"med_100462_55b5bd7aecf3a8b1","agenda_item_id":null,"speaker_id":"off_david_l_anderson","speaker_confidence":0.95,"start_sec":436.7,"end_sec":477.3,"text":"So uh when we I'm going to introduce the clerk of the court in a moment, um and and we'll be able to have questions afterwards. But um the clerk of the court is more administrates the court. So um that's so, you know, don't ask the clerk of the court legal questions. You know, if uh that's we we'll have another opportunity, uh God willing, with the judge, uh the the the Alderman, the Chief Alderman in a in a future meeting. Uh Dr. Hall?","topics_json":"[]","vector_id":"vec_seg_100462_12","created_at":"2026-10-31T06:14:53Z","speaker_name":"David L. Anderson"},{"id":"seg_100462_120","meeting_id":"100462","media_asset_id":"med_100462_55b5bd7aecf3a8b1","agenda_item_id":null,"speaker_id":"off_roy_sudler_jr","speaker_confidence":0.95,"start_sec":2567.99,"end_sec":2573.08,"text":"Thank you. Dr. Hall? Okay. Um, Ms. Smith?","topics_json":"[]","vector_id":"vec_seg_100462_120","created_at":"2026-10-31T06:14:54Z","speaker_name":"Roy Sudler, Jr."},{"id":"seg_100462_121","meeting_id":"100462","media_asset_id":"med_100462_55b5bd7aecf3a8b1","agenda_item_id":null,"speaker_id":"spk_100462_ms_smith","speaker_confidence":0.75,"start_sec":2573.45,"end_sec":2585.71,"text":"Yes. One of the questions I have because uh this the lady here, you know, I know you're trying to move it over into City Hall. How would it work with security in City Hall if we're gonna have DOC um bring in inmates at City Hall? Have y'all thought about that? If people have a capias, they got to come here for court.","topics_json":"[\"public_safety\"]","vector_id":"vec_seg_100462_121","created_at":"2026-10-31T06:14:54Z","speaker_name":null},{"id":"seg_100462_122","meeting_id":"100462","media_asset_id":"med_100462_55b5bd7aecf3a8b1","agenda_item_id":null,"speaker_id":"spk_100462_ms_smith","speaker_confidence":0.75,"start_sec":2586.25,"end_sec":2595.36,"text":"Uh uh that's one of my many questions, but I want to start there.","topics_json":"[]","vector_id":"vec_seg_100462_122","created_at":"2026-10-31T06:14:54Z","speaker_name":null},{"id":"seg_100462_123","meeting_id":"100462","media_asset_id":"med_100462_55b5bd7aecf3a8b1","agenda_item_id":null,"speaker_id":"off_roy_sudler_jr","speaker_confidence":0.95,"start_sec":2595.48,"end_sec":2606.33,"text":"Yeah, that's something to discuss. Uh she told you how they do it up there, but But that's something that she can't answer. That's something that we That's a question for you and the chair. That's correct. Yeah, that's something we'll discuss. Let me refer Let the judge","topics_json":"[]","vector_id":"vec_seg_100462_123","created_at":"2026-10-31T06:14:54Z","speaker_name":"Roy Sudler, Jr."},{"id":"seg_100462_124","meeting_id":"100462","media_asset_id":"med_100462_55b5bd7aecf3a8b1","agenda_item_id":null,"speaker_id":"spk_100462_william_l_witham_jr","speaker_confidence":0.85,"start_sec":2605.06,"end_sec":2607.97,"text":"Judge, generally speaking, if you issue a capias from the alderman's-","topics_json":"[]","vector_id":"vec_seg_100462_124","created_at":"2026-10-31T06:14:54Z","speaker_name":"William L. 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And, and, frequently, a lot of cases are are taken out of the jurisdiction of of Alderman's Court to the trial courts. It happens a lot.","topics_json":"[]","vector_id":"vec_seg_100462_126","created_at":"2026-10-31T06:14:54Z","speaker_name":"William L. Witham Jr."},{"id":"seg_100462_127","meeting_id":"100462","media_asset_id":"med_100462_55b5bd7aecf3a8b1","agenda_item_id":null,"speaker_id":"off_roy_sudler_jr","speaker_confidence":0.95,"start_sec":2630,"end_sec":2630.91,"text":"Right. 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But we do handle motions, yes.","topics_json":"[]","vector_id":"vec_seg_100462_133","created_at":"2026-10-31T06:14:54Z","speaker_name":null},{"id":"seg_100462_134","meeting_id":"100462","media_asset_id":"med_100462_55b5bd7aecf3a8b1","agenda_item_id":null,"speaker_id":"spk_100462_william_l_witham_jr","speaker_confidence":0.85,"start_sec":2671.45,"end_sec":2677.69,"text":"I I understand that your court and other alderman courts are not not courts of records, is that correct?","topics_json":"[]","vector_id":"vec_seg_100462_134","created_at":"2026-10-31T06:14:54Z","speaker_name":"William L. 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Witham Jr."},{"id":"seg_100462_137","meeting_id":"100462","media_asset_id":"med_100462_55b5bd7aecf3a8b1","agenda_item_id":null,"speaker_id":"spk_100462_newark_court_representative","speaker_confidence":0.85,"start_sec":2693.08,"end_sec":2766.58,"text":"So, so this court, so a lot of like the JP courts, I think they the they can the defendant can say, \"I want to appeal this to CCP.\" We do not do that. All our cases are heard here. The only time that we that we can they can appeal it is the fine amount itself, not just the total amount. Like on a speeding ticket, a fine starts at $25 and can go up. So the fine itself has to be over $100. It must be $101 for them to appeal it. They have to pay They have to write a check to CCP for $125 that is non-refundable whether they win or lose up in CCP. The only other thing that we do So we have very, very few appeals. Um, everything stays here initially. We can have a trial, and after the trial, if they're found guilty, they can appeal it if the fine amount is over $100. Now, we do have DUIs that could be their second DUI, and they're eligible for DUI court in CCP, and they wish to be part of that program. We then have to reach out to the AG's up there in CCP, their clerks, and we have to get like a rand schedule, which is an evaluation to see if they're eligible for the DUI court. Then, if they are and they want to participate in it, we have what we call a stipulated trial. We have a trial. They're found guilty, everything. Then I do the appeal process, and it goes to CCP for the DUI court. But and we don't have a ton of those. It Most DUIs are just sentenced here and done. But there are people that could be on their second, which we still handle the second DUI. Third DUIs are felonies, and we don't handle felonies. So So there's very rarely an appeal up to CCP unless the fine is over 100, and that it doesn't happen often. And the only ones that we do on a more regular basis is for DUI court if they're accepted into the program.","topics_json":"[]","vector_id":"vec_seg_100462_137","created_at":"2026-10-31T06:14:54Z","speaker_name":null},{"id":"seg_100462_138","meeting_id":"100462","media_asset_id":"med_100462_55b5bd7aecf3a8b1","agenda_item_id":null,"speaker_id":"spk_100462_william_l_witham_jr","speaker_confidence":0.85,"start_sec":2767.17,"end_sec":2773.45,"text":"And, as I That explains appeals. And, as I understand it, uh you have no cases which could be subject to incarceration?","topics_json":"[]","vector_id":"vec_seg_100462_138","created_at":"2026-10-31T06:14:54Z","speaker_name":"William L. 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Usually, it's followed Like we'll suspend level 5 suspended for, and we give them a term of probation. We have given them jail time, so it it depends.","topics_json":"[]","vector_id":"vec_seg_100462_142","created_at":"2026-10-31T06:14:54Z","speaker_name":null},{"id":"seg_100462_143","meeting_id":"100462","media_asset_id":"med_100462_55b5bd7aecf3a8b1","agenda_item_id":null,"speaker_id":"spk_100462_william_l_witham_jr","speaker_confidence":0.85,"start_sec":2813.58,"end_sec":2818.02,"text":"What is the limit of your incarceration? Is it 30 days?","topics_json":"[]","vector_id":"vec_seg_100462_143","created_at":"2026-10-31T06:14:54Z","speaker_name":"William L. Witham Jr."},{"id":"seg_100462_144","meeting_id":"100462","media_asset_id":"med_100462_55b5bd7aecf3a8b1","agenda_item_id":null,"speaker_id":"spk_100462_newark_court_representative","speaker_confidence":0.85,"start_sec":2820.08,"end_sec":2875.49,"text":"So let me see. Hold on. We normally don't That I would have to check with the judge. Um, we normally do not incarcerate more than 30 days. Um, so some like driving while license suspended, if you're convicted of a second one, that carries an automatic um jail time of 30 days. Uh, but a lot of times on probation we'll do 30 days level 5 suspended for 1 year level 3, 1 year level 2, something like that. But, so you want to know what's the max, I'd have You also have to look at the sentencing guidelines for what how much level 5 time you can approve is is imposed. But um, I will talk to Judge Hatfield tomorrow just to see if there is a max. I mean, we don't have felonies, so they're misdemeanors, and I I don't think you know, too many misdemeanors that come to our court carry like 5 years level 5.","topics_json":"[]","vector_id":"vec_seg_100462_144","created_at":"2026-10-31T06:14:54Z","speaker_name":null},{"id":"seg_100462_145","meeting_id":"100462","media_asset_id":"med_100462_55b5bd7aecf3a8b1","agenda_item_id":null,"speaker_id":"spk_100462_william_l_witham_jr","speaker_confidence":0.85,"start_sec":2876.37,"end_sec":2885.6,"text":"You obviously have rules follow up by criminal rules. Do you follow the criminal rules that the Court of Common Pleas would have, or Superior Court would have?","topics_json":"[]","vector_id":"vec_seg_100462_145","created_at":"2026-10-31T06:14:54Z","speaker_name":"William L. 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Witham Jr."},{"id":"seg_100462_148","meeting_id":"100462","media_asset_id":"med_100462_55b5bd7aecf3a8b1","agenda_item_id":null,"speaker_id":"spk_100462_newark_court_representative","speaker_confidence":0.85,"start_sec":2897.33,"end_sec":2929.78,"text":"So Newark has their own code. So Newark has their code. Our our code's different than some of the state's, but we follow like so if I I want to look up what um um open container, what what the penalty, what the fine amount is, and if they carry jail time, I go into the city code. I type it in, and it'll tell me. So we follow the city code here. When the police officer writes it, he has to use the Newark code. If he uses a city If he uses the state code, then it has to go to JP Court.","topics_json":"[]","vector_id":"vec_seg_100462_148","created_at":"2026-10-31T06:14:54Z","speaker_name":null},{"id":"seg_100462_149","meeting_id":"100462","media_asset_id":"med_100462_55b5bd7aecf3a8b1","agenda_item_id":null,"speaker_id":"spk_100462_william_l_witham_jr","speaker_confidence":0.85,"start_sec":2932.66,"end_sec":2933.79,"text":"Thank you.","topics_json":"[]","vector_id":"vec_seg_100462_149","created_at":"2026-10-31T06:14:54Z","speaker_name":"William L. 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Uh, Ms. Representative Harris?","topics_json":"[]","vector_id":"vec_seg_100462_151","created_at":"2026-10-31T06:14:54Z","speaker_name":"Roy Sudler, Jr."},{"id":"seg_100462_152","meeting_id":"100462","media_asset_id":"med_100462_55b5bd7aecf3a8b1","agenda_item_id":null,"speaker_id":"spk_100462_kerri_evelyn_harris","speaker_confidence":0.9,"start_sec":2948.86,"end_sec":2959.49,"text":"I don't I I don't know if this is who this is for, but um how do you avoid the the fines and fees turning into a funding mechanism for the city?","topics_json":"[\"budget\"]","vector_id":"vec_seg_100462_152","created_at":"2026-10-31T06:14:54Z","speaker_name":"Kerri Evelyn Harris"},{"id":"seg_100462_153","meeting_id":"100462","media_asset_id":"med_100462_55b5bd7aecf3a8b1","agenda_item_id":null,"speaker_id":"spk_100462_newark_court_representative","speaker_confidence":0.85,"start_sec":2959.67,"end_sec":2961.99,"text":"Like how do we avoid the fine what?","topics_json":"[]","vector_id":"vec_seg_100462_153","created_at":"2026-10-31T06:14:54Z","speaker_name":null},{"id":"seg_100462_154","meeting_id":"100462","media_asset_id":"med_100462_55b5bd7aecf3a8b1","agenda_item_id":null,"speaker_id":"spk_100462_kerri_evelyn_harris","speaker_confidence":0.9,"start_sec":2962.21,"end_sec":2974.14,"text":"Uh, fines and fees turning into a funding mechanism for the city, and so, therefore, um uh creating a possible, like, quota system or the impression of a quota system?","topics_json":"[\"budget\"]","vector_id":"vec_seg_100462_154","created_at":"2026-10-31T06:14:54Z","speaker_name":"Kerri Evelyn Harris"},{"id":"seg_100462_155","meeting_id":"100462","media_asset_id":"med_100462_55b5bd7aecf3a8b1","agenda_item_id":null,"speaker_id":"spk_100462_newark_court_representative","speaker_confidence":0.85,"start_sec":2974.59,"end_sec":3091.72,"text":"Well, I think everybody everyone We We follow So our fines We We It's not like um If you look at the overall speeding ticket of a uh a state trooper or county police get, that it's going to be more than the city of Newark. Our fine may be 25, their fine may be 20, but they have a transportation fee, they have an ambulance fee. We don't have that. Some things are set like the UCF is 18% of the the fine. Our fines are usually not if not the same as the state, it's we follow the state. We're in we're close. We're not like like the state doesn't say a $20 fine on a speeding ticket, and we say a $100. I mean, that's how we're pretty much similar. But also like I think the state courts, they multiply by the numbers over the speed limit. We don't We don't really do that. We do to a degree, but not as much as like the state when they do their codes, when they use their their codes to write a speeding ticket. So I think that's how we you know, we I think our fine I've been here 10 years now, and our fine has been $25 for a speeding ticket. It hasn't changed in 10 years.","topics_json":"[\"budget\"]","vector_id":"vec_seg_100462_155","created_at":"2026-10-31T06:14:54Z","speaker_name":null},{"id":"seg_100462_156","meeting_id":"100462","media_asset_id":"med_100462_55b5bd7aecf3a8b1","agenda_item_id":null,"speaker_id":"spk_100462_kerri_evelyn_harris","speaker_confidence":0.9,"start_sec":3093.17,"end_sec":3096.67,"text":"Have have complaints Excuse me.","topics_json":"[]","vector_id":"vec_seg_100462_156","created_at":"2026-10-31T06:14:54Z","speaker_name":"Kerri Evelyn Harris"},{"id":"seg_100462_157","meeting_id":"100462","media_asset_id":"med_100462_55b5bd7aecf3a8b1","agenda_item_id":null,"speaker_id":"spk_100462_newark_court_representative","speaker_confidence":0.85,"start_sec":3096.67,"end_sec":3098.16,"text":"Or longer. 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I really have not heard that. I don't attend many council meetings if it doesn't involve the court. But I think they have other complaints, like they don't want taxes, the water fee, the um uh water fee, electric. That's where they're they get more We have to to raise fees every year. That's where I'd say the majority of the complaints come in. And, also, like sometimes the officer can lower the like we can suspend some of the fine if we have to if someone's like You know, sometimes people are on fixed incomes, which the officers are very fair and try to work with them. And sometimes, like they're going 25 over, and they'll lower it to 5 over, which lowers the fine amount. Like, the more you're going over the speed limit, the higher the fine gets. That's in That's all over Delaware, whatever court. So I think they try to work with them on that. But, in all honesty, I don't hear that as a big biggest complaint. Um, I think the speed cameras that went up have been causing a few issues, but we're not even getting that revenue. That's not coming to the city. That's That's not even coming to us, so. But they are complaining about the speed cameras.","topics_json":"[\"taxes\",\"budget\"]","vector_id":"vec_seg_100462_159","created_at":"2026-10-31T06:14:54Z","speaker_name":null},{"id":"seg_100462_16","meeting_id":"100462","media_asset_id":"med_100462_55b5bd7aecf3a8b1","agenda_item_id":null,"speaker_id":"off_david_l_anderson","speaker_confidence":0.95,"start_sec":487.3,"end_sec":533.7,"text":"That is correct. What we uh and this is uh and uh if you could please um uh just uh pass the sign-in sheet uh around. In case some people uh have missed it, because uh I think I know everyone here, but I don't know that Ruthie does, and we want to make sure that she has the opportunity to have everyone's attendance and welcome Kristen.","topics_json":"[]","vector_id":"vec_seg_100462_16","created_at":"2026-10-31T06:14:53Z","speaker_name":"David L. Anderson"},{"id":"seg_100462_160","meeting_id":"100462","media_asset_id":"med_100462_55b5bd7aecf3a8b1","agenda_item_id":null,"speaker_id":"spk_100462_kerri_evelyn_harris","speaker_confidence":0.9,"start_sec":3191.78,"end_sec":3192.99,"text":"Thank you.","topics_json":"[]","vector_id":"vec_seg_100462_160","created_at":"2026-10-31T06:14:54Z","speaker_name":"Kerri Evelyn Harris"},{"id":"seg_100462_161","meeting_id":"100462","media_asset_id":"med_100462_55b5bd7aecf3a8b1","agenda_item_id":null,"speaker_id":"spk_100462_roy_sudler_jr","speaker_confidence":0.95,"start_sec":3194.78,"end_sec":3219.37,"text":"Yeah. 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Anderson"},{"id":"seg_100462_181","meeting_id":"100462","media_asset_id":"med_100462_55b5bd7aecf3a8b1","agenda_item_id":null,"speaker_id":"spk_100462_newark_alderman_s_court_clerk","speaker_confidence":0.9,"start_sec":3683.35,"end_sec":3685.95,"text":"Oh, for me? I thought you were talking to anybody. 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That was that was a it came very close, like in the early, I don't know, 2013, 14,","topics_json":"[]","vector_id":"vec_seg_100462_187","created_at":"2026-10-31T06:14:54Z","speaker_name":null},{"id":"seg_100462_188","meeting_id":"100462","media_asset_id":"med_100462_55b5bd7aecf3a8b1","agenda_item_id":null,"speaker_id":"off_david_l_anderson","speaker_confidence":0.95,"start_sec":3756.85,"end_sec":3758.45,"text":"I think it was 2012, yeah.","topics_json":"[]","vector_id":"vec_seg_100462_188","created_at":"2026-10-31T06:14:54Z","speaker_name":"David L. Anderson"},{"id":"seg_100462_189","meeting_id":"100462","media_asset_id":"med_100462_55b5bd7aecf3a8b1","agenda_item_id":null,"speaker_id":"spk_100462_newark_alderman_s_court_clerk","speaker_confidence":0.9,"start_sec":3758.75,"end_sec":3773.05,"text":"So that's a concern, and that's always on the back of our mind. They've left us alone for 10 years, 12 years. But that was a a big fight that the city had to keep to keep the court here. So that's something to consider. I don't, you know, I don't know.","topics_json":"[]","vector_id":"vec_seg_100462_189","created_at":"2026-10-31T06:14:54Z","speaker_name":null},{"id":"seg_100462_19","meeting_id":"100462","media_asset_id":"med_100462_55b5bd7aecf3a8b1","agenda_item_id":null,"speaker_id":"off_david_l_anderson","speaker_confidence":0.95,"start_sec":568.9,"end_sec":571.1,"text":"Yes, we can. All right.","topics_json":"[]","vector_id":"vec_seg_100462_19","created_at":"2026-10-31T06:14:53Z","speaker_name":"David L. Anderson"},{"id":"seg_100462_190","meeting_id":"100462","media_asset_id":"med_100462_55b5bd7aecf3a8b1","agenda_item_id":null,"speaker_id":"off_david_l_anderson","speaker_confidence":0.95,"start_sec":3775.15,"end_sec":3781.15,"text":"And so you found it they obviously found it beneficial if you all kept it.","topics_json":"[]","vector_id":"vec_seg_100462_190","created_at":"2026-10-31T06:14:54Z","speaker_name":"David L. 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We do video hearings with the prison if they're in there and they're incarcerated on something else, but they have a fine with us. We can reset the payment plan. Um, there's a lot that this court does. We're we're a busy court for","topics_json":"[]","vector_id":"vec_seg_100462_192","created_at":"2026-10-31T06:14:54Z","speaker_name":null},{"id":"seg_100462_193","meeting_id":"100462","media_asset_id":"med_100462_55b5bd7aecf3a8b1","agenda_item_id":null,"speaker_id":"spk_100462_newark_alderman_s_court_clerk","speaker_confidence":0.9,"start_sec":3812.35,"end_sec":3818.45,"text":"a small Newark. 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Uh yes, I'm Terry Conover, clerk of the court for Alderman's Court 40 in Newark.","topics_json":"[]","vector_id":"vec_seg_100462_20","created_at":"2026-10-31T06:14:53Z","speaker_name":"Terry Conover"},{"id":"seg_100462_200","meeting_id":"100462","media_asset_id":"med_100462_55b5bd7aecf3a8b1","agenda_item_id":null,"speaker_id":"spk_100462_newark_alderman_s_court_clerk","speaker_confidence":0.9,"start_sec":3845.65,"end_sec":3863.95,"text":"So we use we use the um police if we have to use a holding cell. Um, and then the DOC comes through the sally port to the to the police side, and they call up, we let the police know to let them in, and they just they walk them over. 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The alderman is Lisa Hatfield, and she's been here almost 20 years. And our deputy alderman is Donald Gregory, and he's been here, I think, about 12 years. Um we also handle, so the police officers are mostly the prosecutors, so we'll have arraignment day. When they come in, when they receive the ticket, and they're given an arraignment, they can come in and they can plead not guilty, and we schedule it with a trial with the officer. However, all DUIs go on a Thursday with our prosecutor, um and any attorneys that enter their appearance we also schedule on Thursdays with a pro- prosecutor. The Public Defender's Office comes out here twice a month on the prosecutor day, Thursdays. Um we average right now on Tuesdays and Wednesdays about 17 trials, and our arraignments could be anywhere from 10 to 25. Um and it fluctuates. Sometimes, you know, the summer the students are gone, so sometimes it slows down a little bit over the summertime. 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Now, we will since we have somebody offline, we will go around the table and just uh get the first level of thoughts that people have. And uh start with Councilman Rocha.","topics_json":"[]","vector_id":"vec_seg_100462_226","created_at":"2026-10-31T06:14:54Z","speaker_name":"David L. Anderson"},{"id":"seg_100462_227","meeting_id":"100462","media_asset_id":"med_100462_55b5bd7aecf3a8b1","agenda_item_id":null,"speaker_id":"off_gerald_l_rocha_sr","speaker_confidence":0.95,"start_sec":4056.25,"end_sec":4063.05,"text":"I mean, you know, it sounds to me like they have a convenient setup up there.","topics_json":"[]","vector_id":"vec_seg_100462_227","created_at":"2026-10-31T06:14:54Z","speaker_name":"Gerald L. 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The uh uh Mr. Harbeck?","topics_json":"[]","vector_id":"vec_seg_100462_247","created_at":"2026-10-31T06:14:54Z","speaker_name":"David L. Anderson"},{"id":"seg_100462_248","meeting_id":"100462","media_asset_id":"med_100462_55b5bd7aecf3a8b1","agenda_item_id":null,"speaker_id":"spk_100462_mr_harbeck","speaker_confidence":0.8,"start_sec":4207.45,"end_sec":4213.95,"text":"Well, I think there's just a lot more to deliberate on and I think there's a lot more information that we need, so I don't want to give a knee-jerk response.","topics_json":"[]","vector_id":"vec_seg_100462_248","created_at":"2026-10-31T06:14:54Z","speaker_name":null},{"id":"seg_100462_249","meeting_id":"100462","media_asset_id":"med_100462_55b5bd7aecf3a8b1","agenda_item_id":null,"speaker_id":"off_david_l_anderson","speaker_confidence":0.95,"start_sec":4214.15,"end_sec":4224.75,"text":"That's fine. 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Boggerty"},{"id":"seg_100462_301","meeting_id":"100462","media_asset_id":"med_100462_55b5bd7aecf3a8b1","agenda_item_id":null,"speaker_id":"off_roy_sudler_jr","speaker_confidence":0.95,"start_sec":4826.94,"end_sec":4829.14,"text":"Not with We didn't have an Alderman's Court.","topics_json":"[]","vector_id":"vec_seg_100462_301","created_at":"2026-10-31T06:14:54Z","speaker_name":"Roy Sudler, Jr."},{"id":"seg_100462_302","meeting_id":"100462","media_asset_id":"med_100462_55b5bd7aecf3a8b1","agenda_item_id":null,"speaker_id":"off_andre_m_boggerty","speaker_confidence":0.95,"start_sec":4829.74,"end_sec":4830.44,"text":"Okay.","topics_json":"[]","vector_id":"vec_seg_100462_302","created_at":"2026-10-31T06:14:54Z","speaker_name":"Andre M. Boggerty"},{"id":"seg_100462_303","meeting_id":"100462","media_asset_id":"med_100462_55b5bd7aecf3a8b1","agenda_item_id":null,"speaker_id":"off_roy_sudler_jr","speaker_confidence":0.95,"start_sec":4830.64,"end_sec":4834.44,"text":"And we didn't try to expand that. Not Not in my time here, anyway.","topics_json":"[]","vector_id":"vec_seg_100462_303","created_at":"2026-10-31T06:14:54Z","speaker_name":"Roy Sudler, Jr."},{"id":"seg_100462_304","meeting_id":"100462","media_asset_id":"med_100462_55b5bd7aecf3a8b1","agenda_item_id":null,"speaker_id":"off_andre_m_boggerty","speaker_confidence":0.95,"start_sec":4834.64,"end_sec":4837.64,"text":"I don't know. What What was that, the doddering law?","topics_json":"[]","vector_id":"vec_seg_100462_304","created_at":"2026-10-31T06:14:54Z","speaker_name":"Andre M. Boggerty"},{"id":"seg_100462_305","meeting_id":"100462","media_asset_id":"med_100462_55b5bd7aecf3a8b1","agenda_item_id":null,"speaker_id":"off_roy_sudler_jr","speaker_confidence":0.95,"start_sec":4837.74,"end_sec":4844.04,"text":"That was Oh, yeah. That was expanding That was taking the city code, loitering, so they can handle that.","topics_json":"[\"public_safety\"]","vector_id":"vec_seg_100462_305","created_at":"2026-10-31T06:14:54Z","speaker_name":"Roy Sudler, Jr."},{"id":"seg_100462_306","meeting_id":"100462","media_asset_id":"med_100462_55b5bd7aecf3a8b1","agenda_item_id":null,"speaker_id":"off_roy_sudler_jr","speaker_confidence":0.95,"start_sec":4846.14,"end_sec":4857.44,"text":"And that's that was uh important, in my view. But that's the But, once again, the um So let's uh go around. Uh Mr. Wilson, I believe you're next. You haven't spoken yet.","topics_json":"[]","vector_id":"vec_seg_100462_306","created_at":"2026-10-31T06:14:54Z","speaker_name":"Roy Sudler, Jr."},{"id":"seg_100462_307","meeting_id":"100462","media_asset_id":"med_100462_55b5bd7aecf3a8b1","agenda_item_id":null,"speaker_id":"spk_100462_bill_wilson","speaker_confidence":0.9,"start_sec":4861.94,"end_sec":4871.84,"text":"Yeah, I just I'm going to digest. I'm listening. I'm going to digest what I hear and come back with some questions and what the subject is.","topics_json":"[]","vector_id":"vec_seg_100462_307","created_at":"2026-10-31T06:14:54Z","speaker_name":"Bill Wilson"},{"id":"seg_100462_308","meeting_id":"100462","media_asset_id":"med_100462_55b5bd7aecf3a8b1","agenda_item_id":null,"speaker_id":"off_roy_sudler_jr","speaker_confidence":0.95,"start_sec":4872.54,"end_sec":4874.14,"text":"Thank you. Dr. Halpern.","topics_json":"[]","vector_id":"vec_seg_100462_308","created_at":"2026-10-31T06:14:54Z","speaker_name":"Roy Sudler, Jr."},{"id":"seg_100462_309","meeting_id":"100462","media_asset_id":"med_100462_55b5bd7aecf3a8b1","agenda_item_id":null,"speaker_id":"spk_100462_dr_halpern","speaker_confidence":0.9,"start_sec":4874.74,"end_sec":4922.34,"text":"So I'm going to go into this with a very open mind. You know, I've I've worked with Wanda a little bit. I understand some concerns she has. Um what I do know is we're the city. We can't continue doing what we're currently doing. And I'm open to any measure which we can see some improvement. I'm not quite certain how this forum's going to work, because I think that there's going to be, you know, some charged beliefs already, and I think starting with just in exploring different courts uh to kind of understand it has been beneficial, but I think we all have to start out with common goals. And then we work backwards in what we're capable of doing under these courts, what's in the the different jurisdiction. Because um if we start with common goals of what we want to see in Dover and whether this court would help uh ensure that we get to that, I think we could find some common ground and and uh listen to each other's concerns, design it in such a manner that everybody feels protected and we get what we want out of it. But if we come into it with an ultimate no and or yes, uh it's just not going to work. You're going to, you know, we're just going to keep going at each other. And so I I I think just you know, starting at a much higher level and working our way back may be beneficial. 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That's my point.","topics_json":"[]","vector_id":"vec_seg_100462_313","created_at":"2026-10-31T06:14:54Z","speaker_name":"Dr. Halpern"},{"id":"seg_100462_314","meeting_id":"100462","media_asset_id":"med_100462_55b5bd7aecf3a8b1","agenda_item_id":null,"speaker_id":"off_roy_sudler_jr","speaker_confidence":0.95,"start_sec":4971.14,"end_sec":4991.94,"text":"I agree. Uh, one of the big things to us, we're not here to waste our time. And uh so I don't agree that that we have to bet it, because we want it done right. And remember, the city of Dover has not had this since 1950s. And we're talking over 70 some years. And it was the city that, at that time, it was the town,","topics_json":"[]","vector_id":"vec_seg_100462_314","created_at":"2026-10-31T06:14:54Z","speaker_name":"Roy Sudler, Jr."},{"id":"seg_100462_315","meeting_id":"100462","media_asset_id":"med_100462_55b5bd7aecf3a8b1","agenda_item_id":null,"speaker_id":"spk_100462_dr_halpern","speaker_confidence":0.9,"start_sec":4993.94,"end_sec":4994.14,"text":"Right.","topics_json":"[]","vector_id":"vec_seg_100462_315","created_at":"2026-10-31T06:14:54Z","speaker_name":"Dr. Halpern"},{"id":"seg_100462_316","meeting_id":"100462","media_asset_id":"med_100462_55b5bd7aecf3a8b1","agenda_item_id":null,"speaker_id":"off_roy_sudler_jr","speaker_confidence":0.95,"start_sec":4994.24,"end_sec":5017.14,"text":"you know, because they didn't have any of these problems, and, you know, they and they could depend on uh a state court system back then. And so they gave it up. Um, you know, others didn't, and we, but Dover did. Uh, it's in the uh Why did they give it up? It's in the minutes back in the '50s. Basically, uh, back, we had around like 5,000 people","topics_json":"[]","vector_id":"vec_seg_100462_316","created_at":"2026-10-31T06:14:54Z","speaker_name":"Roy Sudler, Jr."},{"id":"seg_100462_317","meeting_id":"100462","media_asset_id":"med_100462_55b5bd7aecf3a8b1","agenda_item_id":null,"speaker_id":"off_roy_sudler_jr","speaker_confidence":0.95,"start_sec":5019.24,"end_sec":5026.84,"text":"in the city back then. We just weren't getting cases. Quite frankly, there were no cases","topics_json":"[\"public_safety\"]","vector_id":"vec_seg_100462_317","created_at":"2026-10-31T06:14:54Z","speaker_name":"Roy Sudler, Jr."},{"id":"seg_100462_318","meeting_id":"100462","media_asset_id":"med_100462_55b5bd7aecf3a8b1","agenda_item_id":null,"speaker_id":"off_andre_m_boggerty","speaker_confidence":0.95,"start_sec":5028.74,"end_sec":5029.14,"text":"Mhm.","topics_json":"[]","vector_id":"vec_seg_100462_318","created_at":"2026-10-31T06:14:54Z","speaker_name":"Andre M. Boggerty"},{"id":"seg_100462_319","meeting_id":"100462","media_asset_id":"med_100462_55b5bd7aecf3a8b1","agenda_item_id":null,"speaker_id":"off_roy_sudler_jr","speaker_confidence":0.95,"start_sec":5029.34,"end_sec":5039.04,"text":"for the the court. That That's not true, and it well, will not be true anymore. There will be cases, for sure. Judge?","topics_json":"[\"public_safety\"]","vector_id":"vec_seg_100462_319","created_at":"2026-10-31T06:14:54Z","speaker_name":"Roy Sudler, Jr."},{"id":"seg_100462_32","meeting_id":"100462","media_asset_id":"med_100462_55b5bd7aecf3a8b1","agenda_item_id":null,"speaker_id":"off_brian_e_lewis","speaker_confidence":0.95,"start_sec":1102.7,"end_sec":1104.5,"text":"Yeah.","topics_json":"[]","vector_id":"vec_seg_100462_32","created_at":"2026-10-31T06:14:54Z","speaker_name":"Brian E. Lewis"},{"id":"seg_100462_320","meeting_id":"100462","media_asset_id":"med_100462_55b5bd7aecf3a8b1","agenda_item_id":null,"speaker_id":"spk_100462_judge","speaker_confidence":0.9,"start_sec":5039.54,"end_sec":5106.14,"text":"I'll just make a couple of general comments. Uh, from a legal standpoint, you can probably do this. It'll take time to build a program, get a judge's handbook prepared. You can get all this from the state courts. You know? They will, I'm sure they will advise give you all the information you need to set up the court. But it's going to cost money, so you have to do a cost-based analysis, basically. But you need to understand You need What you need to do The problem, as I understand, the problem is a lot of these small, minor cases, which speeding, trespassing, small, you know, bodily crimes, are not being prosecuted. And the reason why they're not being prosecuted is because, often times, they are connected with a more serious case. In In my experience, in the Superior Court, the Court of Common Pleas, very often these cases, they dismiss the small stuff right off the bat. So it never You never get them concluded. You never can draw any, uh, any revenue from these cases, and they're easily dismissed by the other courts. So I think, in my view, I think you'll find favorable review of this by the Superior Court and Court of Common Pleas, because they really don't want to deal with these kinds types of cases. They want to deal with the more serious, uh, misdemeanors, felony cases. Because that's what That's what they're designed to treat. So that That would be It would be beneficial on that basis. But you have to understand, you have to estimate what kind of revenue are you going to generate from this to support this type of system? And it took 10 years, I think, for Newark, I don't know how long it took them to start","topics_json":"[\"budget\",\"public_safety\"]","vector_id":"vec_seg_100462_320","created_at":"2026-10-31T06:14:54Z","speaker_name":null},{"id":"seg_100462_321","meeting_id":"100462","media_asset_id":"med_100462_55b5bd7aecf3a8b1","agenda_item_id":null,"speaker_id":"off_roy_sudler_jr","speaker_confidence":0.95,"start_sec":5106.24,"end_sec":5106.54,"text":"Right.","topics_json":"[]","vector_id":"vec_seg_100462_321","created_at":"2026-10-31T06:14:54Z","speaker_name":"Roy Sudler, Jr."},{"id":"seg_100462_322","meeting_id":"100462","media_asset_id":"med_100462_55b5bd7aecf3a8b1","agenda_item_id":null,"speaker_id":"spk_100462_judge","speaker_confidence":0.9,"start_sec":5106.94,"end_sec":5162.44,"text":"showing that they can pay back for the capital improvements they had to make to establish these courts. I don't have any idea. I assume you picked Newark because it was a similar size as Dover. Right. And so it probably would not be beneficial to contact the smaller courts. It'd be probably beneficial to probably contact Rehoboth Beach, maybe New Castle County, I think they've got a court, and get their views, perspective. I've talked to some of the judges already in the Newark courts. I understand how they operate. But uh, uh, and, as I said, from a legal standpoint, you could probably do this with a proper enabling legislation that you have to get from the, from the state. Yeah. First of all, Newark is successful because they get DUI jurisdiction. And the And the And they bring in probation before judgment authority. That is That is a major part of their revenue. You have to have that to make this court work. Uh,","topics_json":"[\"budget\",\"public_safety\"]","vector_id":"vec_seg_100462_322","created_at":"2026-10-31T06:14:54Z","speaker_name":null},{"id":"seg_100462_323","meeting_id":"100462","media_asset_id":"med_100462_55b5bd7aecf3a8b1","agenda_item_id":null,"speaker_id":"off_roy_sudler_jr","speaker_confidence":0.95,"start_sec":5162.94,"end_sec":5163.74,"text":"work.","topics_json":"[]","vector_id":"vec_seg_100462_323","created_at":"2026-10-31T06:14:54Z","speaker_name":"Roy Sudler, Jr."},{"id":"seg_100462_324","meeting_id":"100462","media_asset_id":"med_100462_55b5bd7aecf3a8b1","agenda_item_id":null,"speaker_id":"spk_100462_judge","speaker_confidence":0.9,"start_sec":5168.14,"end_sec":5225.04,"text":"Yeah. And uh the other thing is, as many of you know, that I'm very involved with veterans. I helped found the first veterans court in Delaware, uh which we expanded statewide, made a statewide court. In fact, it was the the first court of its kind in the nation. But there are a lot of veterans in this city. And uh I know the veterans court could could directly help you make You know, if you had a court that could refer veterans who were charged with small, smaller violations, breaches of ordinances and so forth, you could set it up so they would go directly to the veterans court, because the veterans court can offer you all kinds of social relief. In other words, we have programs associated with our partner, the federal government, who provide treatment for mental health issues, treatment for substance abuse issues, and uh code diagnoses, as well. So that would help a lot, city of Dover a great deal, because we get these people enrolled in in proper programs, also who get them uh uh, not just the necessary health care, but also get them housing and so forth. And that would be very helpful to the city of Dover. So I I see great value in doing that. But, of course, it comes down, based on the cost involved here and and how how holy","topics_json":"[\"housing\",\"public_safety\"]","vector_id":"vec_seg_100462_324","created_at":"2026-10-31T06:14:54Z","speaker_name":null},{"id":"seg_100462_325","meeting_id":"100462","media_asset_id":"med_100462_55b5bd7aecf3a8b1","agenda_item_id":null,"speaker_id":"spk_100462_judge","speaker_confidence":0.9,"start_sec":5226.74,"end_sec":5234.64,"text":"city of Dover can afford to finance this thing, because I'm not sure it's going to generate enough revenue to pay for itself for a couple of years. Right. That would be my concern.","topics_json":"[\"budget\"]","vector_id":"vec_seg_100462_325","created_at":"2026-10-31T06:14:54Z","speaker_name":null},{"id":"seg_100462_326","meeting_id":"100462","media_asset_id":"med_100462_55b5bd7aecf3a8b1","agenda_item_id":null,"speaker_id":"off_roy_sudler_jr","speaker_confidence":0.95,"start_sec":5235.54,"end_sec":5243.24,"text":"In the very beginning. Yeah, in the very beginning, right. And the um uh and could we Now Now, of course,","topics_json":"[]","vector_id":"vec_seg_100462_326","created_at":"2026-10-31T06:14:54Z","speaker_name":"Roy Sudler, Jr."},{"id":"seg_100462_327","meeting_id":"100462","media_asset_id":"med_100462_55b5bd7aecf3a8b1","agenda_item_id":null,"speaker_id":"off_roy_sudler_jr","speaker_confidence":0.95,"start_sec":5243.84,"end_sec":5253.84,"text":"now, in our enabling legislation, we could also um have the ability to refer not only to Veterans Court, but to Drug Court. Is that correct?","topics_json":"[\"public_safety\"]","vector_id":"vec_seg_100462_327","created_at":"2026-10-31T06:14:54Z","speaker_name":"Roy Sudler, Jr."},{"id":"seg_100462_328","meeting_id":"100462","media_asset_id":"med_100462_55b5bd7aecf3a8b1","agenda_item_id":null,"speaker_id":"spk_100462_judge","speaker_confidence":0.9,"start_sec":5253.94,"end_sec":5269.74,"text":"Drug Court and DUI Courts. Believe it or not, you may not be aware of this, there used to be a uh court for uh prostitutes. Really? Yeah. They called it Prostitution Court, but","topics_json":"[\"public_safety\"]","vector_id":"vec_seg_100462_328","created_at":"2026-10-31T06:14:54Z","speaker_name":null},{"id":"seg_100462_329","meeting_id":"100462","media_asset_id":"med_100462_55b5bd7aecf3a8b1","agenda_item_id":null,"speaker_id":"spk_100462_judge","speaker_confidence":0.9,"start_sec":5271.54,"end_sec":5292.94,"text":"it didn't last very long. It was in the Court of Common Pleas. They just The council of of courts decided it was not a good idea to do, and they generally conceived so with their problems all with the other other courts, because most other people like that, streetwalkers, they've got other issues that we need to focus on. If we solve those issues, we'll solve that problem.","topics_json":"[\"public_safety\"]","vector_id":"vec_seg_100462_329","created_at":"2026-10-31T06:14:54Z","speaker_name":null},{"id":"seg_100462_33","meeting_id":"100462","media_asset_id":"med_100462_55b5bd7aecf3a8b1","agenda_item_id":null,"speaker_id":"spk_100462_terry_conover","speaker_confidence":0.95,"start_sec":1104.5,"end_sec":1117.8,"text":"That's a whole another I don't know if you were considering that. You got to get the equipment, the metal detector, they have to be trained on it, and also And with the bailiffs, they have to requal twice a year. Um","topics_json":"[\"public_safety\",\"budget\"]","vector_id":"vec_seg_100462_33","created_at":"2026-10-31T06:14:54Z","speaker_name":"Terry Conover"},{"id":"seg_100462_330","meeting_id":"100462","media_asset_id":"med_100462_55b5bd7aecf3a8b1","agenda_item_id":null,"speaker_id":"off_roy_sudler_jr","speaker_confidence":0.95,"start_sec":5293.54,"end_sec":5296.74,"text":"Like Like uh substance uh use disorder?","topics_json":"[\"public_safety\"]","vector_id":"vec_seg_100462_330","created_at":"2026-10-31T06:14:54Z","speaker_name":"Roy Sudler, Jr."},{"id":"seg_100462_331","meeting_id":"100462","media_asset_id":"med_100462_55b5bd7aecf3a8b1","agenda_item_id":null,"speaker_id":"spk_100462_judge","speaker_confidence":0.9,"start_sec":5296.84,"end_sec":5318.24,"text":"Yeah, that's what we call a specialized court. Mhm. And and if you're deemed as legislated from small, we need courts with smaller jurisdiction like this, the uh fines, and so forth, we set uh partnerships with all these various courts who refer these cases to those courts. Uh, as well, I I see I see great value in in the future.","topics_json":"[\"public_safety\"]","vector_id":"vec_seg_100462_331","created_at":"2026-10-31T06:14:54Z","speaker_name":null},{"id":"seg_100462_332","meeting_id":"100462","media_asset_id":"med_100462_55b5bd7aecf3a8b1","agenda_item_id":null,"speaker_id":"off_roy_sudler_jr","speaker_confidence":0.95,"start_sec":5319.44,"end_sec":5337.84,"text":"I do too, right? Because we all these people who are being ignored, and some of them literally dying on the streets, um, could actually we could actually help them. Um, that I agree with you, Judge, but thank you for your insight. Now, may I ask, for the record, and please forgive me,","topics_json":"[\"homelessness\",\"public_safety\"]","vector_id":"vec_seg_100462_332","created_at":"2026-10-31T06:14:54Z","speaker_name":"Roy Sudler, Jr."},{"id":"seg_100462_333","meeting_id":"100462","media_asset_id":"med_100462_55b5bd7aecf3a8b1","agenda_item_id":null,"speaker_id":"off_roy_sudler_jr","speaker_confidence":0.95,"start_sec":5339.44,"end_sec":5344.94,"text":"but may I ask, how many years of experience have you had in the uh Superior Court? 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And did you Did you ever Because they were trying to send you to help set up court systems, did did that happen with Iraq, or they just mobilized you, and didn't","topics_json":"[]","vector_id":"vec_seg_100462_337","created_at":"2026-10-31T06:14:54Z","speaker_name":"Roy Sudler, Jr."},{"id":"seg_100462_338","meeting_id":"100462","media_asset_id":"med_100462_55b5bd7aecf3a8b1","agenda_item_id":null,"speaker_id":"spk_100462_judge","speaker_confidence":0.9,"start_sec":5371.34,"end_sec":5383.14,"text":"Well, uh it's a It's kind of a longer story. 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And it was a mis- mismatch, and the, and the communications broke down rapidly in in Iraq, and it was a disaster.","topics_json":"[]","vector_id":"vec_seg_100462_340","created_at":"2026-10-31T06:14:54Z","speaker_name":null},{"id":"seg_100462_341","meeting_id":"100462","media_asset_id":"med_100462_55b5bd7aecf3a8b1","agenda_item_id":null,"speaker_id":"spk_100462_judge","speaker_confidence":0.9,"start_sec":5446.64,"end_sec":5453.94,"text":"Now we, now we worked out an agreement with the Reserve Forces, and hopefully, one Army now, one Right.","topics_json":"[]","vector_id":"vec_seg_100462_341","created_at":"2026-10-31T06:14:54Z","speaker_name":null},{"id":"seg_100462_342","meeting_id":"100462","media_asset_id":"med_100462_55b5bd7aecf3a8b1","agenda_item_id":null,"speaker_id":"off_roy_sudler_jr","speaker_confidence":0.95,"start_sec":5454.34,"end_sec":5467.94,"text":"And that that's why uh uh it worked so much better when we went to Afghanistan, because the whole 198th ran the whole segment, the half the country, and instead of mismatching it like that.","topics_json":"[]","vector_id":"vec_seg_100462_342","created_at":"2026-10-31T06:14:54Z","speaker_name":"Roy Sudler, Jr."},{"id":"seg_100462_343","meeting_id":"100462","media_asset_id":"med_100462_55b5bd7aecf3a8b1","agenda_item_id":null,"speaker_id":"spk_100462_judge","speaker_confidence":0.9,"start_sec":5468.04,"end_sec":5472.14,"text":"In the first Gulf War, they didn't do that. 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I think, I agree with the judge, in, on the legality of the proposal. Uh, they did a lot of research into the history of aldermen's, as they say, dating back into colonial times, and uh, just in, you know, Delaware and, and Pennsylvania as well, you know, are good examples of uh, of uh, geographical, proximate areas that had, and that uh, and, as far as Delaware, it still does in those six uh, uh, jurisdictions. Um, I was confused by the opening, because I was looking at the ne- necessity from taking away the overwhelming increase in cases coming to the local JP Court. So, in my view, the argument for necessity has to be uh, taking something out of that uh, it from that perspective. But what I've heard is that this is completely different and, and perspectively limited to uh, drug or mental health-type offenses. But I, I think that the issue of necessity has to be clarified, and I, I think the argument can still be, even if you're going to completely go from all the areas that the JP deals with, which alderman usually is a leftover or spillover for, I still think it's a good argument to say that this is being proposed as uh, because of the overwhelming increase in the caseload of the JP Court, of the local JP Court.","topics_json":"[\"public_safety\"]","vector_id":"vec_seg_100462_345","created_at":"2026-10-31T06:14:54Z","speaker_name":"Dr. Hoff"},{"id":"seg_100462_346","meeting_id":"100462","media_asset_id":"med_100462_55b5bd7aecf3a8b1","agenda_item_id":null,"speaker_id":"spk_100462_judge","speaker_confidence":0.9,"start_sec":5606.24,"end_sec":5607.04,"text":"Mhm.","topics_json":"[]","vector_id":"vec_seg_100462_346","created_at":"2026-10-31T06:14:54Z","speaker_name":null},{"id":"seg_100462_347","meeting_id":"100462","media_asset_id":"med_100462_55b5bd7aecf3a8b1","agenda_item_id":null,"speaker_id":"spk_100462_dr_hoff","speaker_confidence":0.9,"start_sec":5607.64,"end_sec":5721.84,"text":"Um, now that, as I said, and so I, I, I think it is necessary. But, again, I, I just have to be stark. I have to be honest with colleagues who I respect very much. Um, the political feasibility is, is the question, starting with a charter change. Um, Judge mentioned that, you know, we should stick to Newark uh in uh examples. I, I believe that we should look at the other five examples. I believe that we should look at Pennsylvania cities that had alderman court that got rid of it. Cities like Philly, Pittsburgh, Reading, Allentown, and Harrisburg. So, you know, look at ask the questions from both sides. Why did you get rid of these within the last generation? Uh, not just, you know, what what's the positive thing? Um, the cost and, and Councilman Lewis is always there with uh, with intelligent and cogent questions on cost. And I, and, and I think that those are still going to have to be continued to be answered. With all due respect, I think, you know, the confidence in the leadership of the city is under question now, and this is going to have to be done in the context of improving the uh, standard of living and, and living of uh, residents in the city. It has to be argued from and, and, and promoted from that perspective. And finally, the my last question, as part of this political feasibility issue, is is this the right solution for what you want to do? Is this the right solution? I was part of the Kent County uh Justice Center back in the '90s that took cases out of the courts and mediated them as a way to reduce the load of the courts and have a win-win situation, because the defendant got to essentially negotiate his or her punishment. And so, you know, and, and very few times you came out of those with unsuccessful mediation. So I think there are other ways to go about solving the issue of dealing with this, the particular perspective that uh, that uh, uh Council President Neil is coming from in, in, in arguing for this, as well as the uh perspective of of how it's normally argued, which is taking uh uh cases out of the JP, where it's necessary. And it is necessary now with the uh increases that we've seen in JP 16 relative to past years, and relative to other JP courts in the, in the state.","topics_json":"[\"budget\",\"public_safety\"]","vector_id":"vec_seg_100462_347","created_at":"2026-10-31T06:14:54Z","speaker_name":"Dr. Hoff"},{"id":"seg_100462_348","meeting_id":"100462","media_asset_id":"med_100462_55b5bd7aecf3a8b1","agenda_item_id":null,"speaker_id":"spk_100462_judge","speaker_confidence":0.9,"start_sec":5722.04,"end_sec":5723.44,"text":"JP 16 covers","topics_json":"[]","vector_id":"vec_seg_100462_348","created_at":"2026-10-31T06:14:54Z","speaker_name":null},{"id":"seg_100462_349","meeting_id":"100462","media_asset_id":"med_100462_55b5bd7aecf3a8b1","agenda_item_id":null,"speaker_id":"spk_100462_dr_hoff","speaker_confidence":0.9,"start_sec":5723.44,"end_sec":5724.14,"text":"Do- Dover.","topics_json":"[]","vector_id":"vec_seg_100462_349","created_at":"2026-10-31T06:14:54Z","speaker_name":"Dr. Hoff"},{"id":"seg_100462_35","meeting_id":"100462","media_asset_id":"med_100462_55b5bd7aecf3a8b1","agenda_item_id":null,"speaker_id":"spk_100462_terry_conover","speaker_confidence":0.95,"start_sec":1118.5,"end_sec":1122.9,"text":"So, they're trained on Taser, you're training their That's a whole another. Now the police helped me out, so I don't know if your police would help you out.","topics_json":"[\"public_safety\"]","vector_id":"vec_seg_100462_35","created_at":"2026-10-31T06:14:54Z","speaker_name":"Terry Conover"},{"id":"seg_100462_350","meeting_id":"100462","media_asset_id":"med_100462_55b5bd7aecf3a8b1","agenda_item_id":null,"speaker_id":"spk_100462_judge","speaker_confidence":0.9,"start_sec":5724.14,"end_sec":5724.44,"text":"Yeah.","topics_json":"[]","vector_id":"vec_seg_100462_350","created_at":"2026-10-31T06:14:54Z","speaker_name":null},{"id":"seg_100462_351","meeting_id":"100462","media_asset_id":"med_100462_55b5bd7aecf3a8b1","agenda_item_id":null,"speaker_id":"off_roy_sudler_jr","speaker_confidence":0.95,"start_sec":5724.84,"end_sec":5726.64,"text":"Uh Doc uh Good, you're recognized.","topics_json":"[]","vector_id":"vec_seg_100462_351","created_at":"2026-10-31T06:14:54Z","speaker_name":"Roy Sudler, Jr."},{"id":"seg_100462_352","meeting_id":"100462","media_asset_id":"med_100462_55b5bd7aecf3a8b1","agenda_item_id":null,"speaker_id":"spk_100462_judge","speaker_confidence":0.9,"start_sec":5726.94,"end_sec":5767.94,"text":"Uh I am aware, and that because of recent legislation in the legislature, that uh create more issues with respect to crimes which are See what The marijuana laws changed possession of marijuana, basically, to a civil to be a civil issue. Judge uh Davis, who's the the head of the uh JP courts, has expressed to me some dismay because he he doesn't","topics_json":"[\"public_safety\"]","vector_id":"vec_seg_100462_352","created_at":"2026-10-31T06:14:54Z","speaker_name":null},{"id":"seg_100462_353","meeting_id":"100462","media_asset_id":"med_100462_55b5bd7aecf3a8b1","agenda_item_id":null,"speaker_id":"spk_100462_alan_garfinkel","speaker_confidence":0.85,"start_sec":5897.92,"end_sec":5933.72,"text":"have enough judges to handle what he believes to be an onslaught of these types of cases. They're loaded right now. They're loaded right now. So they're going to, I've been put on notice that they may they may start hiring retired judges to help alleviate the workload. I'm not going to ask to do that, but that could come, I suppose. But so, as I said, I think they the JP courts would be would be hopeful and praise you for attempting to do this, because it might alleviate their caseload to some extent.","topics_json":"[\"public_safety\"]","vector_id":"vec_seg_100462_353","created_at":"2026-10-31T06:14:54Z","speaker_name":"Alan Garfinkel"},{"id":"seg_100462_354","meeting_id":"100462","media_asset_id":"med_100462_55b5bd7aecf3a8b1","agenda_item_id":null,"speaker_id":"off_david_l_anderson","speaker_confidence":0.95,"start_sec":5933.72,"end_sec":5954.52,"text":"And that would, of course, uh, help politically as well. Um, and if we, uh, I think that's talking with, uh, the JP court, maybe something on a future agenda to get their perspective. Um, I think that's a very, very good point, gentlemen. Thank you. Uh, thank you very much.","topics_json":"[\"public_safety\"]","vector_id":"vec_seg_100462_354","created_at":"2026-10-31T06:14:54Z","speaker_name":"David L. 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Anderson"},{"id":"seg_100462_358","meeting_id":"100462","media_asset_id":"med_100462_55b5bd7aecf3a8b1","agenda_item_id":null,"speaker_id":"spk_100462_eric_faust","speaker_confidence":0.95,"start_sec":6007.72,"end_sec":6027.42,"text":"Eric Faust from Dover. One, I'm going to be a roadblock. Having a committee meeting at 3:00 p.m. for such an important issue does not give the citizens opportunity to get input, and we should be able to give input. Some of the key things are my concerns: What about parking?","topics_json":"[]","vector_id":"vec_seg_100462_358","created_at":"2026-10-31T06:14:54Z","speaker_name":"Eric Faust"},{"id":"seg_100462_359","meeting_id":"100462","media_asset_id":"med_100462_55b5bd7aecf3a8b1","agenda_item_id":null,"speaker_id":"spk_100462_eric_faust","speaker_confidence":0.95,"start_sec":6027.42,"end_sec":6045.82,"text":"Two, it's already been said, I believe Council President Neil said, the JP uh the Alderman's Court closed up because it wasn't a moneymaker. This city cannot afford to have another branch of functioning not making money.","topics_json":"[\"budget\"]","vector_id":"vec_seg_100462_359","created_at":"2026-10-31T06:14:54Z","speaker_name":"Eric Faust"},{"id":"seg_100462_36","meeting_id":"100462","media_asset_id":"med_100462_55b5bd7aecf3a8b1","agenda_item_id":null,"speaker_id":"off_brian_e_lewis","speaker_confidence":0.95,"start_sec":1122.9,"end_sec":1128.6,"text":"When you say the police help you out, is that with training or is that with uh service in","topics_json":"[\"public_safety\"]","vector_id":"vec_seg_100462_36","created_at":"2026-10-31T06:14:54Z","speaker_name":"Brian E. 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You're not set up for that.","topics_json":"[\"public_safety\"]","vector_id":"vec_seg_100462_361","created_at":"2026-10-31T06:14:54Z","speaker_name":"Eric Faust"},{"id":"seg_100462_362","meeting_id":"100462","media_asset_id":"med_100462_55b5bd7aecf3a8b1","agenda_item_id":null,"speaker_id":"spk_100462_eric_faust","speaker_confidence":0.95,"start_sec":6106.42,"end_sec":6144.22,"text":"And lastly, we have parking tickets already now, so we have Alderman's Court, you're going to add this fee and that fee. Our taxpayers are being burdened with the increase over the past couple years on utility bills, fees, and everything else. A lot of people are going to think this is just another way the city's trying to get revenue to support something they want. Perception is what it looks like. People don't have confidence. If you can't make money, what good is it?","topics_json":"[\"taxes\",\"budget\"]","vector_id":"vec_seg_100462_362","created_at":"2026-10-31T06:14:54Z","speaker_name":"Eric Faust"},{"id":"seg_100462_363","meeting_id":"100462","media_asset_id":"med_100462_55b5bd7aecf3a8b1","agenda_item_id":null,"speaker_id":"spk_100462_eric_faust","speaker_confidence":0.95,"start_sec":6144.22,"end_sec":6237.62,"text":"I mean, I don't mean to sound frustrated, but I mean the bottom line is the court failed before. It failed for a reasons. And the professor, forgot your name, sir, Professor Huff, said as other states closed down. Well, there's got to be a reason why other big states are doing away with the Alderman's Court and we're trying to bring something back. It doesn't seem feasible with everything going up. Where are you going to get the seed money? You were $7 million in debt until you cut the budget. Where are you going to get the money for start-up costs for security, wanding, metal detectors, the vests, all that? If we just got enough to get by, where are you going to come up with all this money to get started? Probably cost you probably half a million dollars or better to get situated.","topics_json":"[\"budget\",\"public_safety\"]","vector_id":"vec_seg_100462_363","created_at":"2026-10-31T06:14:54Z","speaker_name":"Eric Faust"},{"id":"seg_100462_364","meeting_id":"100462","media_asset_id":"med_100462_55b5bd7aecf3a8b1","agenda_item_id":null,"speaker_id":"spk_100462_committee_member","speaker_confidence":0.8,"start_sec":6237.62,"end_sec":6254.82,"text":"I tell you what, if it only takes a half a million to make this city better, it's freaking worth it. Because people like me are ready to get the hell out of here, and I and I assure you I bring money into this city. And if we don't do something about our low-level offenses, we're we're doomed. Our property values are going to go down, tax dollars are going to go down.","topics_json":"[\"budget\",\"taxes\",\"public_safety\"]","vector_id":"vec_seg_100462_364","created_at":"2026-10-31T06:14:54Z","speaker_name":null},{"id":"seg_100462_365","meeting_id":"100462","media_asset_id":"med_100462_55b5bd7aecf3a8b1","agenda_item_id":null,"speaker_id":"spk_100462_eric_faust","speaker_confidence":0.95,"start_sec":6254.82,"end_sec":6432.52,"text":"I agree with you, but we've got to do it the smart way. We've got to be wise what we're doing. If we're putting the cart before the horse, and it's going to set up for violating someone's civil rights, or it's going to be found to be not backed up, people are going to leave. People don't feel safe walking down the streets. I mean, we've got gun violence. I mean, okay, you got someone speeding, speeding's important, I'm more concerned about the violent crimes like the drug addiction, the gangs, the shootings. That scares the bejeebies out of me, and I used to be an ER tech and I saw a lot when I was in the ER. I saw a lot of things in 20 years of corrections. Let's be smart. Let's be wise. I'm not saying I have all the answers, but our city's hurting. We're not bringing revenue in. If you go around this city, every few blocks you see businesses that are closed up. The state has to pay for, uh, give grants to the, uh, casinos to keep them afloat. I came from a state where they promised, uh, Atlantic City, oh, casinos are going to help with the education and the senior citizens. That never happened. Uh, riverfront Camden, they brought the aquarium and the, uh, battleship New Jersey there. They got rid of the state, uh, prison. Hate to tell you, I go visit Camden County because it's my hometown. I don't go into Camden because I'm scared to death, and nothing scares me too much. So we have to be wise. Perception of the citizens is like zero confidence.","topics_json":"[\"public_safety\",\"business\",\"budget\"]","vector_id":"vec_seg_100462_365","created_at":"2026-10-31T06:14:54Z","speaker_name":"Eric Faust"},{"id":"seg_100462_366","meeting_id":"100462","media_asset_id":"med_100462_55b5bd7aecf3a8b1","agenda_item_id":null,"speaker_id":"off_david_l_anderson","speaker_confidence":0.95,"start_sec":6432.52,"end_sec":6444.62,"text":"Well, thank you. Um, now next we have somebody online. Uh, Dawn, uh, did you have anything you wanted to add?","topics_json":"[]","vector_id":"vec_seg_100462_366","created_at":"2026-10-31T06:14:54Z","speaker_name":"David L. Anderson"},{"id":"seg_100462_367","meeting_id":"100462","media_asset_id":"med_100462_55b5bd7aecf3a8b1","agenda_item_id":null,"speaker_id":"spk_100462_dawn","speaker_confidence":0.9,"start_sec":6444.62,"end_sec":6450.12,"text":"No, I'm just excited to learn more and thank you for allowing me to be a part of it.","topics_json":"[]","vector_id":"vec_seg_100462_367","created_at":"2026-10-31T06:14:54Z","speaker_name":"Dawn"},{"id":"seg_100462_368","meeting_id":"100462","media_asset_id":"med_100462_55b5bd7aecf3a8b1","agenda_item_id":null,"speaker_id":"off_david_l_anderson","speaker_confidence":0.95,"start_sec":6450.12,"end_sec":6503.42,"text":"Thank you. Didn't want to ignore you because you're over on online and I hope you enjoy your vacation. Thanks for thanks for taking time out of your vacation to join us.","topics_json":"[]","vector_id":"vec_seg_100462_368","created_at":"2026-10-31T06:14:54Z","speaker_name":"David L. 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So twice a year they have to do requalifications, they have to do Tase- Taser training, and then I've added I like the scenarios to do, what if this happened? How to If someone come in and they were belligerent, what if you had someone come in, and they handle how they would handle scenarios.","topics_json":"[\"public_safety\"]","vector_id":"vec_seg_100462_37","created_at":"2026-10-31T06:14:54Z","speaker_name":"Terry Conover"},{"id":"seg_100462_370","meeting_id":"100462","media_asset_id":"med_100462_55b5bd7aecf3a8b1","agenda_item_id":null,"speaker_id":"spk_100462_committee_member","speaker_confidence":0.8,"start_sec":6505.22,"end_sec":6541.82,"text":"And uh This this thing like this is so far out, we have to do something now, like the doc here. We must do something now, you know. It's we're we're in trouble today. And I'm right downtown every day that I'm in Dover, and it's it's terribly bad, terribly bad. I'm telling you, it's getting like It's almost going to get near like Oakland soon if we don't do something now. So, uh, we have to have some type of game plan, uh, in the midst of trying to finalize this plan.","topics_json":"[\"public_safety\"]","vector_id":"vec_seg_100462_370","created_at":"2026-10-31T06:14:54Z","speaker_name":null},{"id":"seg_100462_371","meeting_id":"100462","media_asset_id":"med_100462_55b5bd7aecf3a8b1","agenda_item_id":null,"speaker_id":"off_david_l_anderson","speaker_confidence":0.95,"start_sec":6541.82,"end_sec":6620.82,"text":"I don't disagree. Uh, I don't disagree with that at all. I mean, obviously, if we don't start today, 2 years from now we're going to be saying, man, I wish we did something 2 years ago, we could have been rolling. So we we need to start today. Um, I'd like to have started a year ago, but we we're not there, we have to start today. But but you're right. You're 100% right. And um, and uh you're a person who's offered solutions, and we're going to keep talking. Uh, is there no other business? Uh, we have a public com uh Representative?","topics_json":"[\"public_safety\"]","vector_id":"vec_seg_100462_371","created_at":"2026-10-31T06:14:54Z","speaker_name":"David L. Anderson"},{"id":"seg_100462_372","meeting_id":"100462","media_asset_id":"med_100462_55b5bd7aecf3a8b1","agenda_item_id":null,"speaker_id":"spk_100462_representative","speaker_confidence":0.85,"start_sec":6620.82,"end_sec":6756.82,"text":"I don't have much, um, that hasn't already been said. I do just want to flag for logistics pieces that, um, you don't have If if this was something that you decided to go forward with, you don't have to take on all forms of cases, uh, especially, um, as you're going to build a facility, etc. So you might have to use buildings that are already available, you can start with one type of caseload. For instance, last year we passed for Newark they added on marijuana cases, they didn't have that prior. So you could slowly, um, move into, uh, an expanded caseload, um, when you don't have that. I do have the same concerns around costs, uh, what that would look like. Building costs are just going up and up and up. Um, and there already is, you know, somewhat limited space, uh, generally. But, you know, if if this is the direction that you guys want to go, there is there is that piece where the state has too heavy of a caseload, and I can see how people would feel like that would be helpful, um, but warning that, um, you know, even as we're saying, it will take a while to get enough of a revenue to even break even. You know, if if things are going well, and we're making improvements in the spaces that we want to make improvements, you could see a decrease and then you'll have costs that are just sustaining because that funding is not coming through. And if that And if we're not seeing, um, revenues drop, that means we're failing in other spaces, uh, because people are still reoffending in the same, um, areas.","topics_json":"[\"budget\",\"public_safety\"]","vector_id":"vec_seg_100462_372","created_at":"2026-10-31T06:14:54Z","speaker_name":null},{"id":"seg_100462_373","meeting_id":"100462","media_asset_id":"med_100462_55b5bd7aecf3a8b1","agenda_item_id":null,"speaker_id":"off_david_l_anderson","speaker_confidence":0.95,"start_sec":6756.82,"end_sec":6799.32,"text":"Thank you. Thank you very much.","topics_json":"[]","vector_id":"vec_seg_100462_373","created_at":"2026-10-31T06:14:54Z","speaker_name":"David L. 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But what","topics_json":"[\"budget\"]","vector_id":"vec_seg_100462_379","created_at":"2026-10-31T06:14:54Z","speaker_name":null},{"id":"seg_100462_38","meeting_id":"100462","media_asset_id":"med_100462_55b5bd7aecf3a8b1","agenda_item_id":null,"speaker_id":"off_brian_e_lewis","speaker_confidence":0.95,"start_sec":1159.9,"end_sec":1160.8,"text":"Okay.","topics_json":"[]","vector_id":"vec_seg_100462_38","created_at":"2026-10-31T06:14:54Z","speaker_name":"Brian E. Lewis"},{"id":"seg_100462_380","meeting_id":"100462","media_asset_id":"med_100462_55b5bd7aecf3a8b1","agenda_item_id":null,"speaker_id":"off_david_l_anderson","speaker_confidence":0.95,"start_sec":6849.52,"end_sec":6850.32,"text":"Right, right.","topics_json":"[]","vector_id":"vec_seg_100462_380","created_at":"2026-10-31T06:14:54Z","speaker_name":"David L. 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And and if you have more if you have, you know, repeat offenses, you could say, \"Listen, you have you have the ability to go see drug, you know, substance abuse, uh, where you're going to do X amount of time with community service.\" And and and I think, you know, that's where the the beauty is, because we could we could help design it a little bit more open and not necessarily penalize them from finance.","topics_json":"[\"public_safety\",\"homelessness\",\"budget\"]","vector_id":"vec_seg_100462_381","created_at":"2026-10-31T06:14:54Z","speaker_name":null},{"id":"seg_100462_382","meeting_id":"100462","media_asset_id":"med_100462_55b5bd7aecf3a8b1","agenda_item_id":null,"speaker_id":"spk_100462_yvonne","speaker_confidence":0.85,"start_sec":6918.12,"end_sec":6933.62,"text":"I hear you, but that's we're talking about the financials.","topics_json":"[\"budget\"]","vector_id":"vec_seg_100462_382","created_at":"2026-10-31T06:14:54Z","speaker_name":"Yvonne"},{"id":"seg_100462_383","meeting_id":"100462","media_asset_id":"med_100462_55b5bd7aecf3a8b1","agenda_item_id":null,"speaker_id":"off_david_l_anderson","speaker_confidence":0.95,"start_sec":6933.62,"end_sec":7042.12,"text":"That's why this But that's why this is superior, in my view, to our current code, because our current code was designed basically in the 1920s and relies fine, fine, fine, and that's our authority. With this, we have the ability to We will, if we define it right, like they said, to re- refer people to drug court, to put people refer people to veterans court, to do community ser- In other words, we will have a probation before judgment, etcetera, and provide and direct people to services. Um, it gives us other options. You know, but the the revenue is going to come from, you know, the traffic ticket, it's going to come from the parking ticket, it's going to come from, you know, that type of thing, that the revenue is not coming from necessarily a person who is, uh, aggressive panhandling. Um, you know, that's not where we're counting on revenue coming from.","topics_json":"[\"budget\",\"public_safety\",\"homelessness\"]","vector_id":"vec_seg_100462_383","created_at":"2026-10-31T06:14:54Z","speaker_name":"David L. 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Um, and um, you know, I was I was going to uh tease a street magistrate, state former state magistrate, uh, Garfinkel over there and say not not stepped in for him, he's found uh He's retired, you know, but he he does a whole bunch of things after he's retired. But, but this is important and and that's why we wanted a diverse diverse voices at the table so that we get this so that we can get the objectives and that we get a system that has accountability, that has compassion, and that has effectiveness. And if we can achieve all three of those, we can do something really good in our city.","topics_json":"[\"public_safety\",\"budget\"]","vector_id":"vec_seg_100462_385","created_at":"2026-10-31T06:14:54Z","speaker_name":"David L. 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So what are you going to do? You're going to say you can do? Then you're enabling them to...","topics_json":"[\"public_safety\"]","vector_id":"vec_seg_100462_388","created_at":"2026-10-31T06:14:54Z","speaker_name":null},{"id":"seg_100462_389","meeting_id":"100462","media_asset_id":"med_100462_55b5bd7aecf3a8b1","agenda_item_id":null,"speaker_id":"off_roy_sudler_jr","speaker_confidence":0.95,"start_sec":7085.81,"end_sec":7086.85,"text":"Of course, of course that...","topics_json":"[\"public_safety\"]","vector_id":"vec_seg_100462_389","created_at":"2026-10-31T06:14:54Z","speaker_name":"Roy Sudler, Jr."},{"id":"seg_100462_39","meeting_id":"100462","media_asset_id":"med_100462_55b5bd7aecf3a8b1","agenda_item_id":null,"speaker_id":"spk_100462_terry_conover","speaker_confidence":0.95,"start_sec":1160.8,"end_sec":1167.9,"text":"Oh, we also have radios. They also have radios if they have to call dispatch or um police.","topics_json":"[\"public_safety\"]","vector_id":"vec_seg_100462_39","created_at":"2026-10-31T06:14:54Z","speaker_name":"Terry Conover"},{"id":"seg_100462_390","meeting_id":"100462","media_asset_id":"med_100462_55b5bd7aecf3a8b1","agenda_item_id":null,"speaker_id":"spk_100462_male_speaker","speaker_confidence":0.7,"start_sec":7086.85,"end_sec":7088.08,"text":"...take a trend that dangerous or...","topics_json":"[\"public_safety\"]","vector_id":"vec_seg_100462_390","created_at":"2026-10-31T06:14:54Z","speaker_name":null},{"id":"seg_100462_391","meeting_id":"100462","media_asset_id":"med_100462_55b5bd7aecf3a8b1","agenda_item_id":null,"speaker_id":"off_roy_sudler_jr","speaker_confidence":0.95,"start_sec":7088.08,"end_sec":7088.88,"text":"Of course, of course.","topics_json":"[\"public_safety\"]","vector_id":"vec_seg_100462_391","created_at":"2026-10-31T06:14:54Z","speaker_name":"Roy Sudler, Jr."},{"id":"seg_100462_392","meeting_id":"100462","media_asset_id":"med_100462_55b5bd7aecf3a8b1","agenda_item_id":null,"speaker_id":"spk_100462_female_speaker","speaker_confidence":0.7,"start_sec":7088.88,"end_sec":7092.75,"text":"I understand. All I'm saying is change the wording, because then it becomes into a legal situation.","topics_json":"[\"public_safety\"]","vector_id":"vec_seg_100462_392","created_at":"2026-10-31T06:14:54Z","speaker_name":null},{"id":"seg_100462_393","meeting_id":"100462","media_asset_id":"med_100462_55b5bd7aecf3a8b1","agenda_item_id":null,"speaker_id":"off_roy_sudler_jr","speaker_confidence":0.95,"start_sec":7093.12,"end_sec":7111.55,"text":"And personally, personally I think those type of issues uh need to be referred like to the drug court, to your Common Pleas to Superior Court, you know, and the because they're they're competent to handle that based on the law. But a lot of that's not even happening, they're not even being referred now, and that's the problem. Um you know, we have laws in existence, but we're not referring people because the cases are just being dismissed. Yes, sir.","topics_json":"[\"public_safety\"]","vector_id":"vec_seg_100462_393","created_at":"2026-10-31T06:14:54Z","speaker_name":"Roy Sudler, Jr."},{"id":"seg_100462_394","meeting_id":"100462","media_asset_id":"med_100462_55b5bd7aecf3a8b1","agenda_item_id":null,"speaker_id":"off_brian_e_lewis","speaker_confidence":0.95,"start_sec":7111.68,"end_sec":7169.01,"text":"I I think my my opinion as far as if you're going to utilize this court in any way to commit people into psychiatric uh hospitals uh or drug treatment centers, you're treading in uncharted waters because I don't know if the JP courts can even do that now. My understanding is, and this was speaking with Judge Witham, is that Superior Court judges uh generally commit uh offenders that need psychiatric evaluations uh into those facilities. So you're you're treading um like I said into uncharted waters because you know, you're you're violating people's constitutional rights doing something like that. And I can give you an example, coming from uh Jersey, years ago uh they used to allow municipal court judges up there, it was called a um an MCO, municipal court order, where they would commit somebody for 30 days into a psychiatric facility.","topics_json":"[\"public_safety\"]","vector_id":"vec_seg_100462_394","created_at":"2026-10-31T06:14:54Z","speaker_name":"Brian E. Lewis"},{"id":"seg_100462_395","meeting_id":"100462","media_asset_id":"med_100462_55b5bd7aecf3a8b1","agenda_item_id":null,"speaker_id":"off_brian_e_lewis","speaker_confidence":0.95,"start_sec":7169.07,"end_sec":7217.81,"text":"They took that away from municipal court judges, and they revised the system where if you had a psychiatric a person, you know, with uh you know, bizarre behavior, uh they would um contact a psychiatrist, and a psychiatrist had to get involved at that point with the police department, where they just couldn't commit them like they used to. So that's something that is kind of concerning, and, you know, Mr. Neil had brought that up in his summation at the beginning.","topics_json":"[\"public_safety\"]","vector_id":"vec_seg_100462_395","created_at":"2026-10-31T06:14:54Z","speaker_name":"Brian E. 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First step.","topics_json":"[\"public_safety\"]","vector_id":"vec_seg_100462_402","created_at":"2026-10-31T06:14:54Z","speaker_name":null},{"id":"seg_100462_403","meeting_id":"100462","media_asset_id":"med_100462_55b5bd7aecf3a8b1","agenda_item_id":null,"speaker_id":"off_roy_sudler_jr","speaker_confidence":0.95,"start_sec":7291.98,"end_sec":7325.72,"text":"And that could be a part that could be an option for probation, you know, in that people can avoid punishment and avoid jail as part of probation before judgment, is what it's called. 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Thank you all for coming.","topics_json":"[]","vector_id":"vec_seg_100462_405","created_at":"2026-10-31T06:14:54Z","speaker_name":"Roy Sudler, Jr."},{"id":"seg_100462_41","meeting_id":"100462","media_asset_id":"med_100462_55b5bd7aecf3a8b1","agenda_item_id":null,"speaker_id":"spk_100462_terry_conover","speaker_confidence":0.95,"start_sec":1175.7,"end_sec":1179.58,"text":"No. No, we have our own we have our own court. We were like an add-on","topics_json":"[]","vector_id":"vec_seg_100462_41","created_at":"2026-10-31T06:14:54Z","speaker_name":"Terry Conover"},{"id":"seg_100462_42","meeting_id":"100462","media_asset_id":"med_100462_55b5bd7aecf3a8b1","agenda_item_id":null,"speaker_id":"spk_100462_terri","speaker_confidence":0.9,"start_sec":1179.58,"end_sec":1190.55,"text":"a long year to go. Okay. They moved us from somewhere to here. 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Like IT will cover everyone's, each department's budget for you know, like whatever we may need, you know. Like if we get an additional person then we need an additional computer. But IT figures out what I need and they I have a line for it in my budget and they handle that. Okay. But it's in Each department has a budget that in their budget, they have a line for IT.","topics_json":"[\"budget\"]","vector_id":"vec_seg_100462_46","created_at":"2026-10-31T06:14:54Z","speaker_name":"Terri"},{"id":"seg_100462_47","meeting_id":"100462","media_asset_id":"med_100462_55b5bd7aecf3a8b1","agenda_item_id":null,"speaker_id":"off_brian_e_lewis","speaker_confidence":0.9,"start_sec":1290.45,"end_sec":1298.64,"text":"Understood. One more question. How much revenue does the court bring in annually?","topics_json":"[\"budget\"]","vector_id":"vec_seg_100462_47","created_at":"2026-10-31T06:14:54Z","speaker_name":"Brian E. Lewis"},{"id":"seg_100462_48","meeting_id":"100462","media_asset_id":"med_100462_55b5bd7aecf3a8b1","agenda_item_id":null,"speaker_id":"spk_100462_terri","speaker_confidence":0.9,"start_sec":1298.64,"end_sec":1393.2,"text":"So now let me So I Let me look. So my last report, which I did in January, so kind of an idea. So even though I mark parking, and I have parking numbers in here, that it's revenue, but it's going to the city, even though we collect the parking payments and things. But just to give you an idea. Um so for 2025, so our what is revenue for the city is our court costs, our fines, the alcohol, and court security. So that's what I write a check every month to the city. And it was $460,190 last year.","topics_json":"[\"budget\"]","vector_id":"vec_seg_100462_48","created_at":"2026-10-31T06:14:54Z","speaker_name":"Terri"},{"id":"seg_100462_49","meeting_id":"100462","media_asset_id":"med_100462_55b5bd7aecf3a8b1","agenda_item_id":null,"speaker_id":"off_brian_e_lewis","speaker_confidence":0.9,"start_sec":1393.2,"end_sec":1395.51,"text":"460,000 you said?","topics_json":"[\"budget\"]","vector_id":"vec_seg_100462_49","created_at":"2026-10-31T06:14:54Z","speaker_name":"Brian E. Lewis"},{"id":"seg_100462_5","meeting_id":"100462","media_asset_id":"med_100462_55b5bd7aecf3a8b1","agenda_item_id":null,"speaker_id":"off_david_l_anderson","speaker_confidence":0.95,"start_sec":22.1,"end_sec":23.9,"text":"All in favor?","topics_json":"[]","vector_id":"vec_seg_100462_5","created_at":"2026-10-31T06:14:53Z","speaker_name":"David L. Anderson"},{"id":"seg_100462_50","meeting_id":"100462","media_asset_id":"med_100462_55b5bd7aecf3a8b1","agenda_item_id":null,"speaker_id":"spk_100462_terri","speaker_confidence":0.9,"start_sec":1395.51,"end_sec":1400.31,"text":"416,000 460,000 That's the revenue.","topics_json":"[\"budget\"]","vector_id":"vec_seg_100462_50","created_at":"2026-10-31T06:14:54Z","speaker_name":"Terri"},{"id":"seg_100462_51","meeting_id":"100462","media_asset_id":"med_100462_55b5bd7aecf3a8b1","agenda_item_id":null,"speaker_id":"off_brian_e_lewis","speaker_confidence":0.9,"start_sec":1400.31,"end_sec":1402.33,"text":"And that all goes to the city, correct?","topics_json":"[\"budget\"]","vector_id":"vec_seg_100462_51","created_at":"2026-10-31T06:14:54Z","speaker_name":"Brian E. 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So the city's revenue for for the court is the fines and costs, the court security, and the alcohol. If there's an alcohol fee. Not all tickets carry it. That is collected we collect it on every ticket, or and then I, at the end of the month, they can I get numbers from DelJIS. I get all the numbers. I then write a check to the city. But for the year, that was revenue for the court, fines, costs, alcohol, and court security. But then we So that's actually, that's not, I'm sorry, that's only alcohol, fines, and costs. Court security for the year was 55,452. That was revenue. Okay? So and then this is for 2025.","topics_json":"[\"budget\"]","vector_id":"vec_seg_100462_54","created_at":"2026-10-31T06:14:54Z","speaker_name":"Terri"},{"id":"seg_100462_55","meeting_id":"100462","media_asset_id":"med_100462_55b5bd7aecf3a8b1","agenda_item_id":null,"speaker_id":"spk_100462_terri","speaker_confidence":0.9,"start_sec":1502.91,"end_sec":1519.04,"text":"So like So our revenue for parking was like 1,200 and some thousand. But that doesn't go to me. That goes to the city, but I keep track of what we're bringing in. So that's kind of I don't know if that helps.","topics_json":"[\"budget\"]","vector_id":"vec_seg_100462_55","created_at":"2026-10-31T06:14:54Z","speaker_name":"Terri"},{"id":"seg_100462_56","meeting_id":"100462","media_asset_id":"med_100462_55b5bd7aecf3a8b1","agenda_item_id":null,"speaker_id":"off_brian_e_lewis","speaker_confidence":0.9,"start_sec":1519.04,"end_sec":1533.52,"text":"Yeah, somewhat. I'm just trying to ascertain if we proceed forth with this proposal, how much revenue we would bring in opposed to how much we would be putting out.","topics_json":"[\"budget\"]","vector_id":"vec_seg_100462_56","created_at":"2026-10-31T06:14:54Z","speaker_name":"Brian E. Lewis"},{"id":"seg_100462_57","meeting_id":"100462","media_asset_id":"med_100462_55b5bd7aecf3a8b1","agenda_item_id":null,"speaker_id":"spk_100462_terri","speaker_confidence":0.9,"start_sec":1533.52,"end_sec":1619.27,"text":"Well, I mean, I think you're I don't I don't know your ticket numbers as opposed to Newark, but I can tell you this also. Hold on. So I also keep track of the tickets that the officers write per month. But I can tell you for that come here to our court. Now remember, they write a lot a lot more tickets, but you know, it depends if it's a drug charge, they might not keep it here. If it's felonies, they go up they go up to Wilmington. But for the cases, the tickets they wrote that came here, last 2025 was 10,000. But like in 2021, it was 14,500 tickets. Okay.","topics_json":"[\"budget\",\"public_safety\"]","vector_id":"vec_seg_100462_57","created_at":"2026-10-31T06:14:54Z","speaker_name":"Terri"},{"id":"seg_100462_58","meeting_id":"100462","media_asset_id":"med_100462_55b5bd7aecf3a8b1","agenda_item_id":null,"speaker_id":"spk_100462_terri","speaker_confidence":0.9,"start_sec":1619.96,"end_sec":1697.05,"text":"So it it we've gone down a little bit, but I think we're we we we went down for 2023 and 2024, um and we went back up. We went from 8,000 to 10,000 last year in 2025. And I think we're headed in that we're going to be I think we're going to be more than 10,000 again this year. So, I don't know what your officers are writing. I don't know the volume of tickets. Um, but like average in a month, we can go from 700 to 1,200 tickets in a month. It depends. 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I keep track of it, but it's not really my revenue.","topics_json":"[\"budget\",\"public_safety\"]","vector_id":"vec_seg_100462_63","created_at":"2026-10-31T06:14:54Z","speaker_name":"Terri"},{"id":"seg_100462_64","meeting_id":"100462","media_asset_id":"med_100462_55b5bd7aecf3a8b1","agenda_item_id":null,"speaker_id":"off_brian_e_lewis","speaker_confidence":0.9,"start_sec":1781.34,"end_sec":1782.06,"text":"Understood.","topics_json":"[]","vector_id":"vec_seg_100462_64","created_at":"2026-10-31T06:14:54Z","speaker_name":"Brian E. Lewis"},{"id":"seg_100462_65","meeting_id":"100462","media_asset_id":"med_100462_55b5bd7aecf3a8b1","agenda_item_id":null,"speaker_id":"spk_100462_terri","speaker_confidence":0.9,"start_sec":1782.06,"end_sec":1785.05,"text":"Touch, but it's going to the city. All that parking is going to the city.","topics_json":"[\"budget\"]","vector_id":"vec_seg_100462_65","created_at":"2026-10-31T06:14:54Z","speaker_name":"Terri"},{"id":"seg_100462_66","meeting_id":"100462","media_asset_id":"med_100462_55b5bd7aecf3a8b1","agenda_item_id":null,"speaker_id":"off_brian_e_lewis","speaker_confidence":0.9,"start_sec":1785.05,"end_sec":1794.48,"text":"Okay. I I appreciate you uh answering my questions and uh I'm going to uh give it back to uh the the chair. Thank you.","topics_json":"[]","vector_id":"vec_seg_100462_66","created_at":"2026-10-31T06:14:54Z","speaker_name":"Brian E. 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And according to the stats, uh Newport is uh about what you guys are, and all the rest are upwards of uh 80 to 100%. The average from the state is 90% uh clearance rate for fiscal 2025. Yours was 75%.","topics_json":"[\"public_safety\"]","vector_id":"vec_seg_100462_93","created_at":"2026-10-31T06:14:54Z","speaker_name":null},{"id":"seg_100462_94","meeting_id":"100462","media_asset_id":"med_100462_55b5bd7aecf3a8b1","agenda_item_id":null,"speaker_id":"spk_100462_terri","speaker_confidence":0.9,"start_sec":2289.73,"end_sec":2300.23,"text":"Well, I don't I mean, I know that when I look at cases being scheduled in CCP, they're sometimes 8 or 9 months out. 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Um, you know, sometimes they're incarcerated, then we have we don't At the time when we schedule the hearing, they're not incarcerated, then they get incarcerated. And, you know, we only do incarcerated on certain days because we transport. And I don't know why our numbers I I have no idea the volume of the other courts um to the other alderman's courts, but I know certain courts don't even have have trials. Like I don't think Newport handles, they all go up to CCP. I know Rehoboth can be busy, cuz I talked to her a lot, but I know we do things differently. And I will say this, our officers, they're always here. I know other courts have a problem with the officers appearing on their trial date, and I could say we do not have that issue here. They're always here. But I don't know why I is saying our stats are only 75%, I I can't answer that. I I think we move along very well.","topics_json":"[\"public_safety\"]","vector_id":"vec_seg_100462_97","created_at":"2026-10-31T06:14:54Z","speaker_name":"Terri"},{"id":"seg_100462_98","meeting_id":"100462","media_asset_id":"med_100462_55b5bd7aecf3a8b1","agenda_item_id":null,"speaker_id":"spk_100462_unknown_speaker","speaker_confidence":0.7,"start_sec":2359.17,"end_sec":2360.65,"text":"Out of reach. Uh, yeah.","topics_json":"[]","vector_id":"vec_seg_100462_98","created_at":"2026-10-31T06:14:54Z","speaker_name":null},{"id":"seg_100462_99","meeting_id":"100462","media_asset_id":"med_100462_55b5bd7aecf3a8b1","agenda_item_id":null,"speaker_id":"spk_100462_unknown_speaker","speaker_confidence":0.8,"start_sec":2361.12,"end_sec":2372.23,"text":"In, in all the other instances of alderman's court, they replaced, they didn't add to JP Court, they replaced the JP Court. 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Um, and and we have some guests for the public forum, and then we have some um who I would like to speak with during like the uh community and school committee time.","topics_json":"[]","vector_id":"vec_seg_100526_1","created_at":"2026-10-31T05:56:40Z","speaker_name":null},{"id":"seg_100526_10","meeting_id":"100526","media_asset_id":"med_100526_3319ac8e60c7bdb0","agenda_item_id":null,"speaker_id":"spk_100526_chunk1_speaker_2","speaker_confidence":0.8,"start_sec":119.78,"end_sec":122.09,"text":"First First one would be uh","topics_json":"[]","vector_id":"vec_seg_100526_10","created_at":"2026-10-31T05:56:40Z","speaker_name":null},{"id":"seg_100526_100","meeting_id":"100526","media_asset_id":"med_100526_3319ac8e60c7bdb0","agenda_item_id":null,"speaker_id":"spk_100526_chair","speaker_confidence":0.9,"start_sec":1175.42,"end_sec":1179.67,"text":"For myself, um, of course, um, I do have close contact","topics_json":"[]","vector_id":"vec_seg_100526_100","created_at":"2026-10-31T05:56:40Z","speaker_name":null},{"id":"seg_100526_101","meeting_id":"100526","media_asset_id":"med_100526_3319ac8e60c7bdb0","agenda_item_id":null,"speaker_id":"spk_100526_chair","speaker_confidence":0.9,"start_sec":1179.67,"end_sec":1231.67,"text":"with the, uh, councilpersons in the 4th District, and they're pretty much aware of, um, the, uh, this assessment documents that we are trying to, um, bring forward. Uh, so when when they're created, and we have some things to actually go into and make recommendations and make the changes, um, then we'll want to, um, be able to make some other things based off of that first document. So, I'm sure, uh, I'm sure we'll be in touch. Uh, I I attended one of, uh, Commissioner Mullins, um, one of her community meetings, uh, and and I'm sure the assessments can be used especially in the meetings that you host. Okay.","topics_json":"[]","vector_id":"vec_seg_100526_101","created_at":"2026-10-31T05:56:40Z","speaker_name":null},{"id":"seg_100526_102","meeting_id":"100526","media_asset_id":"med_100526_3319ac8e60c7bdb0","agenda_item_id":null,"speaker_id":"spk_100526_chair","speaker_confidence":0.9,"start_sec":1232.17,"end_sec":1322.17,"text":"Um, when it comes to the relevancy of the Dover Human Relations Commission, we also need to make sure we have an assessment ready to go. That would that would probably be our second document. Uh, the assessment ready to go for the public, um, so that we can find out some relevancy, and we can find out what the public, um, what they think as far as what the Dover Human Relations Commission is for, and then we can begin to address, um, some of the the thoughts of the public, um, what they think we're here for and what we can do. Um, well, of course, we have out there our strategic plan and some of our other documents. But, um, I think when we send out when we when we get it together, we'll send out, um, an assessment. And and really, I think, um, Ms. Willis, we'll want to, um, have maybe a mailing list, um, a lit- a a, you know, a mailing list that is that is approved by the city that we can send out our our assessment. Maybe it'll probably be in the form of of almost like a postcard-size, something real quick and easy, um, where we can collect, uh, some good data and and begin to formulate a particular direction, answering the concerns of the constituents regarding what we're here for and what we can do and and what we have done. Okay. That's for us.","topics_json":"[]","vector_id":"vec_seg_100526_102","created_at":"2026-10-31T05:56:40Z","speaker_name":null},{"id":"seg_100526_103","meeting_id":"100526","media_asset_id":"med_100526_3319ac8e60c7bdb0","agenda_item_id":null,"speaker_id":"spk_100526_mullins","speaker_confidence":0.85,"start_sec":1322.67,"end_sec":1370.47,"text":"And I know that's something that we have pondered and talked about in previous sessions, but, um, I think that's very important as to how we're going to get the information out to the public, um, with consideration of all different populations, um, because you know a lot of people don't do social media. A lot of the older, you know, population is not savvy to a lot of computer. So, what would be the best remedy to get this information out there so that we can collect the data that we're trying to collect to make the changes that need to be made? I mean, I've heard the comments that was made today. They're valid. So, how do we like what's the best form, I guess, that we can get this information out to the public?","topics_json":"[]","vector_id":"vec_seg_100526_103","created_at":"2026-10-31T05:56:40Z","speaker_name":"Mullins"},{"id":"seg_100526_104","meeting_id":"100526","media_asset_id":"med_100526_3319ac8e60c7bdb0","agenda_item_id":null,"speaker_id":"spk_100526_chair","speaker_confidence":0.9,"start_sec":1370.67,"end_sec":1376.27,"text":"Well, um, Ms. Willis, are we able to create—","topics_json":"[]","vector_id":"vec_seg_100526_104","created_at":"2026-10-31T05:56:40Z","speaker_name":null},{"id":"seg_100526_105","meeting_id":"100526","media_asset_id":"med_100526_3319ac8e60c7bdb0","agenda_item_id":null,"speaker_id":"spk_100526_chair","speaker_confidence":0.9,"start_sec":1376.28,"end_sec":1389.34,"text":"Um, like a electronic document, uh, for the City of Dover and, and maybe have it added to the webpage?","topics_json":"[]","vector_id":"vec_seg_100526_105","created_at":"2026-10-31T05:56:40Z","speaker_name":null},{"id":"seg_100526_106","meeting_id":"100526","media_asset_id":"med_100526_3319ac8e60c7bdb0","agenda_item_id":null,"speaker_id":"spk_100526_chair","speaker_confidence":0.9,"start_sec":1389.96,"end_sec":1411.88,"text":"Um, or something we can maybe even have them, uh, interact with it like a little QR code when they go to the City website and they go to Dover Human Relations Commission. Um, maybe we can have something in our particular area, uh, that addresses, uh, how we're going to collect that information. Meaning","topics_json":"[]","vector_id":"vec_seg_100526_106","created_at":"2026-10-31T05:56:40Z","speaker_name":null},{"id":"seg_100526_107","meeting_id":"100526","media_asset_id":"med_100526_3319ac8e60c7bdb0","agenda_item_id":null,"speaker_id":"spk_100526_chair","speaker_confidence":0.9,"start_sec":1411.88,"end_sec":1427.8,"text":"if they can - excuse me, if they could like if we could have a link involved, um, and the same form that we want to mail out will be the same form that the link, uh, directs them to.","topics_json":"[]","vector_id":"vec_seg_100526_107","created_at":"2026-10-31T05:56:40Z","speaker_name":null},{"id":"seg_100526_108","meeting_id":"100526","media_asset_id":"med_100526_3319ac8e60c7bdb0","agenda_item_id":null,"speaker_id":"spk_100526_chair","speaker_confidence":0.9,"start_sec":1427.8,"end_sec":1486.43,"text":"So maybe that form that we create will be an electronic form, um, as well as, uh, mailing. And then we need to have something when we have our meetings that, uh, folks can pick up and put in their hand right then and there too when they come. Okay?","topics_json":"[]","vector_id":"vec_seg_100526_108","created_at":"2026-10-31T05:56:40Z","speaker_name":null},{"id":"seg_100526_109","meeting_id":"100526","media_asset_id":"med_100526_3319ac8e60c7bdb0","agenda_item_id":null,"speaker_id":"spk_100526_chair","speaker_confidence":0.9,"start_sec":1487.73,"end_sec":1502.07,"text":"And I like when we have hands in the public ready to spread their ideas. Make sure you keep them, because we are gonna let we gonna let you spread your ideas. Commissioner Mullen?","topics_json":"[]","vector_id":"vec_seg_100526_109","created_at":"2026-10-31T05:56:40Z","speaker_name":null},{"id":"seg_100526_11","meeting_id":"100526","media_asset_id":"med_100526_3319ac8e60c7bdb0","agenda_item_id":null,"speaker_id":"spk_100526_chair","speaker_confidence":0.9,"start_sec":122.14,"end_sec":123.63,"text":"Number two. Where's number two?","topics_json":"[]","vector_id":"vec_seg_100526_11","created_at":"2026-10-31T05:56:40Z","speaker_name":null},{"id":"seg_100526_110","meeting_id":"100526","media_asset_id":"med_100526_3319ac8e60c7bdb0","agenda_item_id":null,"speaker_id":"spk_100526_wanda_mullen","speaker_confidence":0.9,"start_sec":1503.59,"end_sec":1505.78,"text":"I'm done. Thank you.","topics_json":"[]","vector_id":"vec_seg_100526_110","created_at":"2026-10-31T05:56:40Z","speaker_name":"Wanda Mullen"},{"id":"seg_100526_111","meeting_id":"100526","media_asset_id":"med_100526_3319ac8e60c7bdb0","agenda_item_id":null,"speaker_id":"spk_100526_chair","speaker_confidence":0.9,"start_sec":1506.08,"end_sec":1507.9,"text":"Commissioner Brinkley?","topics_json":"[]","vector_id":"vec_seg_100526_111","created_at":"2026-10-31T05:56:40Z","speaker_name":null},{"id":"seg_100526_112","meeting_id":"100526","media_asset_id":"med_100526_3319ac8e60c7bdb0","agenda_item_id":null,"speaker_id":"spk_100526_commissioner_brinkley","speaker_confidence":0.85,"start_sec":1508.34,"end_sec":1510.4,"text":"Nothing at all. Thank you.","topics_json":"[]","vector_id":"vec_seg_100526_112","created_at":"2026-10-31T05:56:40Z","speaker_name":null},{"id":"seg_100526_113","meeting_id":"100526","media_asset_id":"med_100526_3319ac8e60c7bdb0","agenda_item_id":null,"speaker_id":"spk_100526_commissioner","speaker_confidence":0.85,"start_sec":1510.82,"end_sec":1530.79,"text":"I just have a suggestion. Um, you made the mail order. Why couldn't we see if the city, at the clerk's office, if there is a form, for someone who wants to come pick it up, they grab the form and there's like a little mailbox where it doesn't - they fill it out and they just drop it in the slot","topics_json":"[]","vector_id":"vec_seg_100526_113","created_at":"2026-10-31T05:56:40Z","speaker_name":null},{"id":"seg_100526_114","meeting_id":"100526","media_asset_id":"med_100526_3319ac8e60c7bdb0","agenda_item_id":null,"speaker_id":"spk_100526_chair","speaker_confidence":0.9,"start_sec":1530.79,"end_sec":1536.23,"text":"that uh - We have like a DHRC drop box or something like that?","topics_json":"[]","vector_id":"vec_seg_100526_114","created_at":"2026-10-31T05:56:40Z","speaker_name":null},{"id":"seg_100526_115","meeting_id":"100526","media_asset_id":"med_100526_3319ac8e60c7bdb0","agenda_item_id":null,"speaker_id":"spk_100526_commissioner","speaker_confidence":0.85,"start_sec":1536.33,"end_sec":1542.01,"text":"Drop box for that form.","topics_json":"[]","vector_id":"vec_seg_100526_115","created_at":"2026-10-31T05:56:40Z","speaker_name":null},{"id":"seg_100526_116","meeting_id":"100526","media_asset_id":"med_100526_3319ac8e60c7bdb0","agenda_item_id":null,"speaker_id":"spk_100526_chair","speaker_confidence":0.9,"start_sec":1543.03,"end_sec":1552.03,"text":"Okay. Okay. We'll look into that. Commissioner Fleming?","topics_json":"[]","vector_id":"vec_seg_100526_116","created_at":"2026-10-31T05:56:40Z","speaker_name":null},{"id":"seg_100526_117","meeting_id":"100526","media_asset_id":"med_100526_3319ac8e60c7bdb0","agenda_item_id":null,"speaker_id":"spk_100526_paul_fleming","speaker_confidence":0.9,"start_sec":1553.64,"end_sec":1555.9,"text":"Yes sir, Chairman.","topics_json":"[]","vector_id":"vec_seg_100526_117","created_at":"2026-10-31T05:56:40Z","speaker_name":"Paul Fleming"},{"id":"seg_100526_118","meeting_id":"100526","media_asset_id":"med_100526_3319ac8e60c7bdb0","agenda_item_id":null,"speaker_id":"spk_100526_chair","speaker_confidence":0.9,"start_sec":1555.98,"end_sec":1557.46,"text":"Do you have any questions?","topics_json":"[]","vector_id":"vec_seg_100526_118","created_at":"2026-10-31T05:56:40Z","speaker_name":null},{"id":"seg_100526_119","meeting_id":"100526","media_asset_id":"med_100526_3319ac8e60c7bdb0","agenda_item_id":null,"speaker_id":"spk_100526_paul_fleming","speaker_confidence":0.9,"start_sec":1557.82,"end_sec":1572.88,"text":"Um, yes. Um, listening to Bonnie was, um, disquieting, uh, and I was wondering if Bonnie knows about an intake form to get started meeting with the Dover Human Relations Commission? There's a form that you would need to complete, which is then comes into the city, the, uh, attorney reviews it, and then if they're substantiated, they, um, would come to us. But, uh, it really bothered me, uh, to hear Bonnie describe her life on Kirkwood Street. Uh, I wouldn't have expected that. Um, so, Bonnie, are you aware of the intake form that we-","topics_json":"[\"housing\"]","vector_id":"vec_seg_100526_119","created_at":"2026-10-31T05:56:40Z","speaker_name":"Paul Fleming"},{"id":"seg_100526_12","meeting_id":"100526","media_asset_id":"med_100526_3319ac8e60c7bdb0","agenda_item_id":null,"speaker_id":"spk_100526_chunk1_speaker_2","speaker_confidence":0.85,"start_sec":123.77,"end_sec":130.01,"text":"Number two is looks like, could be, Reginald Daniel II?","topics_json":"[]","vector_id":"vec_seg_100526_12","created_at":"2026-10-31T05:56:40Z","speaker_name":null},{"id":"seg_100526_120","meeting_id":"100526","media_asset_id":"med_100526_3319ac8e60c7bdb0","agenda_item_id":null,"speaker_id":"spk_100526_male_speaker","speaker_confidence":0.7,"start_sec":1572.89,"end_sec":1576.29,"text":"Yeah. Okay, I didn't think you were.","topics_json":"[]","vector_id":"vec_seg_100526_120","created_at":"2026-10-31T05:56:40Z","speaker_name":null},{"id":"seg_100526_121","meeting_id":"100526","media_asset_id":"med_100526_3319ac8e60c7bdb0","agenda_item_id":null,"speaker_id":"spk_100526_public_commenter","speaker_confidence":0.7,"start_sec":1576.29,"end_sec":1579.09,"text":"When I first moved in Delaware, I came in-","topics_json":"[]","vector_id":"vec_seg_100526_121","created_at":"2026-10-31T05:56:40Z","speaker_name":null},{"id":"seg_100526_122","meeting_id":"100526","media_asset_id":"med_100526_3319ac8e60c7bdb0","agenda_item_id":null,"speaker_id":"spk_100526_male_speaker","speaker_confidence":0.7,"start_sec":1579.09,"end_sec":1580.29,"text":"Use the microphone.","topics_json":"[]","vector_id":"vec_seg_100526_122","created_at":"2026-10-31T05:56:40Z","speaker_name":null},{"id":"seg_100526_123","meeting_id":"100526","media_asset_id":"med_100526_3319ac8e60c7bdb0","agenda_item_id":null,"speaker_id":"spk_100526_public_commenter","speaker_confidence":0.7,"start_sec":1580.29,"end_sec":1581.39,"text":"Oh, I'm sorry.","topics_json":"[]","vector_id":"vec_seg_100526_123","created_at":"2026-10-31T05:56:40Z","speaker_name":null},{"id":"seg_100526_124","meeting_id":"100526","media_asset_id":"med_100526_3319ac8e60c7bdb0","agenda_item_id":null,"speaker_id":"spk_100526_male_speaker","speaker_confidence":0.7,"start_sec":1581.39,"end_sec":1583.19,"text":"Sorry, no need to apologize.","topics_json":"[]","vector_id":"vec_seg_100526_124","created_at":"2026-10-31T05:56:40Z","speaker_name":null},{"id":"seg_100526_125","meeting_id":"100526","media_asset_id":"med_100526_3319ac8e60c7bdb0","agenda_item_id":null,"speaker_id":"spk_100526_public_commenter","speaker_confidence":0.85,"start_sec":1583.19,"end_sec":1769.49,"text":"When I came to Dover and I got a house in Dover, I got my house through Habitat for Humanity. People don't understand that Habitat Humanity is a good organization, but they build houses without like reviewing the neighborhood, like checking out to see what kind of consequences and stuff like that that goes on in these neighborhoods. The problem is you're bringing in all these people that's coming in from New York, Virginia, New Jersey, Maryland, and I've seen a lot of these new house people come in and they want to try to take over what's already been built here. Okay? All these senior citizens that's been here for years are not going to walk in and say, 'Hey, you can have my home.' Okay, let me explain something to you. When I moved on Kirkwood Street, I knew nobody. Okay, I came into this area that I had no idea what I was moving into. And it was it's a good area now. But when I first moved there, I have seen horrible, horrible things on this street that happened that I should not have had to seen. And I witnessed it, and you know, getting the street straightened up, not only having your life threatened and worry about if someone's going to come in and actually take you out. Mr. Sudler, Roy Sudler was the number one who had his life threatened. And what has been said to him was all uncalled for. And if Sudler was standing here today, I would tell him to his face or I would tell him behind his back: I appreciate Sudler for everything that he's went through and done to get this done. Not that I only fought it, but he did most of the work. He did all the digging, cuz listen, I never do a computer. I'm not a computer genius. When I was coming up, I was allowed outside to 2:00, 3:00 in the morning. I was playing outside. I wasn't allowed to sit here and fancy dancy on a computer. But the thing of it is people are not going to come to no one and tell them their life history or tell them what's going on in their neighborhood because they're scared. So the best way to get this area If you want the Capital back, you need to find out why they're so scared. You need to find out why these kids are targeting these these seniors or whoever they're targeting. You know, I had kids on my street the other day start getting a little lippy with me until I got lippy back. And then they're like, 'Oh no, no, we're okay. It's okay.' You know, if you go out there and you approach these kids with a nasty attitude, you're going to get it back. Everybody's got to understand this generation today is not the same generation like it was when you and I grew up or whoever in this room grew up. You've got to be willing to take your foot and put in their shoes to see why they're always so angry or always wanting to do something they shouldn't do. First of all, there's nothing for these","topics_json":"[\"housing\",\"public_safety\"]","vector_id":"vec_seg_100526_125","created_at":"2026-10-31T05:56:40Z","speaker_name":null},{"id":"seg_100526_126","meeting_id":"100526","media_asset_id":"med_100526_3319ac8e60c7bdb0","agenda_item_id":null,"speaker_id":"spk_100526_barney","speaker_confidence":0.9,"start_sec":1769.51,"end_sec":1771.33,"text":"these kids in Dover to do.","topics_json":"[\"public_safety\"]","vector_id":"vec_seg_100526_126","created_at":"2026-10-31T05:56:40Z","speaker_name":"Barney"},{"id":"seg_100526_127","meeting_id":"100526","media_asset_id":"med_100526_3319ac8e60c7bdb0","agenda_item_id":null,"speaker_id":"spk_100526_barney","speaker_confidence":0.9,"start_sec":1771.64,"end_sec":1776.34,"text":"They took out these parks. They took out everything. Only thing in Dover to do is a casino. Who in the world wants to go to a casino?","topics_json":"[\"business\",\"public_safety\"]","vector_id":"vec_seg_100526_127","created_at":"2026-10-31T05:56:40Z","speaker_name":"Barney"},{"id":"seg_100526_128","meeting_id":"100526","media_asset_id":"med_100526_3319ac8e60c7bdb0","agenda_item_id":null,"speaker_id":"spk_100526_barney","speaker_confidence":0.9,"start_sec":1776.76,"end_sec":1791.8,"text":"I know I don't. They need to find something for these children to do to occupy their mind. With all this peer pressure dealing with the drugs and the alcohol and the gangs, you can't just blame that person that started it. You've got to blame yourself because first of all, have you ever heard of the old saying, \"Be a leader, not a follower\"?","topics_json":"[\"public_safety\"]","vector_id":"vec_seg_100526_128","created_at":"2026-10-31T05:56:40Z","speaker_name":"Barney"},{"id":"seg_100526_129","meeting_id":"100526","media_asset_id":"med_100526_3319ac8e60c7bdb0","agenda_item_id":null,"speaker_id":"spk_100526_barney","speaker_confidence":0.9,"start_sec":1792.16,"end_sec":1807.67,"text":"And that's what this community needs. They need someone who's going to be willing to get out there and help these young kids. You don't know what these kids has been through. You don't know what's going on in their household. You don't know who they were raised up whether they were raised up with. You have no ideal. So for you to judge all these young kids, maybe you should ask them or sit down with them and say, \"Hey, what's actually going on?\"","topics_json":"[\"public_safety\"]","vector_id":"vec_seg_100526_129","created_at":"2026-10-31T05:56:40Z","speaker_name":"Barney"},{"id":"seg_100526_13","meeting_id":"100526","media_asset_id":"med_100526_3319ac8e60c7bdb0","agenda_item_id":null,"speaker_id":"spk_100526_chair","speaker_confidence":0.9,"start_sec":130.33,"end_sec":131.65,"text":"Yes, sir.","topics_json":"[]","vector_id":"vec_seg_100526_13","created_at":"2026-10-31T05:56:40Z","speaker_name":null},{"id":"seg_100526_130","meeting_id":"100526","media_asset_id":"med_100526_3319ac8e60c7bdb0","agenda_item_id":null,"speaker_id":"spk_100526_barney","speaker_confidence":0.9,"start_sec":1808.05,"end_sec":1846.43,"text":"There's some of us that's been through what some of these kids has been through now, but they just don't talk about it because they're scared. You have to open up to these kids to make them see, \"Hey, we're not here to hurt you. We're going to help you. Let's figure out what we could do.\" That's the problem in the city of Dover. They don't help nobody. They judge everybody.","topics_json":"[\"public_safety\"]","vector_id":"vec_seg_100526_130","created_at":"2026-10-31T05:56:40Z","speaker_name":"Barney"},{"id":"seg_100526_131","meeting_id":"100526","media_asset_id":"med_100526_3319ac8e60c7bdb0","agenda_item_id":null,"speaker_id":"spk_100526_barney","speaker_confidence":0.9,"start_sec":1846.66,"end_sec":1864.12,"text":"You get in trouble one time, and you're on the record for the rest of your life without giving them a chance to grow up and learn their life and to live their life, you judge them. Throwing them behind bars is not going to satisfy anything. It's just going to make it worse because now they really feel, \"Hey, I have nobody now.\" All you want to do is pick up their hands and, yes, I'm not saying there ain't no bad kids out here. Heck, I was bad when I was growing up,","topics_json":"[\"public_safety\"]","vector_id":"vec_seg_100526_131","created_at":"2026-10-31T05:56:40Z","speaker_name":"Barney"},{"id":"seg_100526_132","meeting_id":"100526","media_asset_id":"med_100526_3319ac8e60c7bdb0","agenda_item_id":null,"speaker_id":"spk_100526_barney","speaker_confidence":0.9,"start_sec":1864.55,"end_sec":1901.11,"text":"but I lived and learned, and the only way these kids are going to live and learn is if they have somebody there to help them instead of shoving them away. And that's what these kids are going through today. They're being shoved around like schools. They're not teaching these kids. They're shoving them through just to get them out. That's not what these kids needs.","topics_json":"[\"public_safety\"]","vector_id":"vec_seg_100526_132","created_at":"2026-10-31T05:56:40Z","speaker_name":"Barney"},{"id":"seg_100526_133","meeting_id":"100526","media_asset_id":"med_100526_3319ac8e60c7bdb0","agenda_item_id":null,"speaker_id":"spk_100526_barney","speaker_confidence":0.9,"start_sec":1901.52,"end_sec":1922.55,"text":"I was in the Dollar Store the other day, and I gave a woman a $20 bill, she couldn't even give me my change. I had to count the change to her. These kids are not being taught the way we were taught. Teach these kids the right way. Get them educated to go to college. Get them educated to get a good- they're not going to get a good crew when they don't have no back up. And this is the problem with Dover. They don't want to back you up. They want to judge you. And nobody- nobody in this audience and in these, this room, should judge anybody.","topics_json":"[\"public_safety\"]","vector_id":"vec_seg_100526_133","created_at":"2026-10-31T05:56:40Z","speaker_name":"Barney"},{"id":"seg_100526_134","meeting_id":"100526","media_asset_id":"med_100526_3319ac8e60c7bdb0","agenda_item_id":null,"speaker_id":"spk_100526_chair","speaker_confidence":0.85,"start_sec":1922.75,"end_sec":1924.13,"text":"Ms. Barney.","topics_json":"[]","vector_id":"vec_seg_100526_134","created_at":"2026-10-31T05:56:40Z","speaker_name":null},{"id":"seg_100526_135","meeting_id":"100526","media_asset_id":"med_100526_3319ac8e60c7bdb0","agenda_item_id":null,"speaker_id":"spk_100526_barney","speaker_confidence":0.9,"start_sec":1924.27,"end_sec":1925.7,"text":"Wait, no, uh-uh, I'm not leaving.","topics_json":"[]","vector_id":"vec_seg_100526_135","created_at":"2026-10-31T05:56:40Z","speaker_name":"Barney"},{"id":"seg_100526_136","meeting_id":"100526","media_asset_id":"med_100526_3319ac8e60c7bdb0","agenda_item_id":null,"speaker_id":"spk_100526_chair","speaker_confidence":0.85,"start_sec":1925.85,"end_sec":1928.84,"text":"Uh-uh, we passed the 10 minutes. We're into a whole another section. 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An intake form? I thought we had a stack right there on that wall.","topics_json":"[]","vector_id":"vec_seg_100526_139","created_at":"2026-10-31T05:56:40Z","speaker_name":null},{"id":"seg_100526_14","meeting_id":"100526","media_asset_id":"med_100526_3319ac8e60c7bdb0","agenda_item_id":null,"speaker_id":"spk_100526_reginald_daniel_ii","speaker_confidence":0.9,"start_sec":133.62,"end_sec":135.53,"text":"That'd be me. My apologies.","topics_json":"[]","vector_id":"vec_seg_100526_14","created_at":"2026-10-31T05:56:40Z","speaker_name":"Reginald Daniel II"},{"id":"seg_100526_140","meeting_id":"100526","media_asset_id":"med_100526_3319ac8e60c7bdb0","agenda_item_id":null,"speaker_id":"spk_100526_male_speaker_1","speaker_confidence":0.85,"start_sec":1966.55,"end_sec":1984.02,"text":"Because what I want I want you to see it, and, um... Okay. I want you to have one before you leave here today so we can get this ball rolling. 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Commissioner White.","topics_json":"[]","vector_id":"vec_seg_100526_153","created_at":"2026-10-31T05:56:40Z","speaker_name":null},{"id":"seg_100526_154","meeting_id":"100526","media_asset_id":"med_100526_3319ac8e60c7bdb0","agenda_item_id":null,"speaker_id":"spk_100526_male_speaker_1","speaker_confidence":0.85,"start_sec":2144.4,"end_sec":2145.98,"text":"Let Commissioner White...","topics_json":"[]","vector_id":"vec_seg_100526_154","created_at":"2026-10-31T05:56:40Z","speaker_name":null},{"id":"seg_100526_155","meeting_id":"100526","media_asset_id":"med_100526_3319ac8e60c7bdb0","agenda_item_id":null,"speaker_id":"spk_100526_faye_white","speaker_confidence":0.9,"start_sec":2150.2,"end_sec":2151.35,"text":"I just want to ask the question.","topics_json":"[]","vector_id":"vec_seg_100526_155","created_at":"2026-10-31T05:56:40Z","speaker_name":"Faye White"},{"id":"seg_100526_156","meeting_id":"100526","media_asset_id":"med_100526_3319ac8e60c7bdb0","agenda_item_id":null,"speaker_id":"spk_100526_male_speaker_1","speaker_confidence":0.85,"start_sec":2151.56,"end_sec":2155.21,"text":"It's on the website. 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I'm not asking you to write down any type of like discriminatory actions that you have experienced from the City of Dover. What I'm asking you to do is write down your concerns","topics_json":"[]","vector_id":"vec_seg_100526_161","created_at":"2026-10-31T05:56:40Z","speaker_name":"Alan Gaddis"},{"id":"seg_100526_162","meeting_id":"100526","media_asset_id":"med_100526_3319ac8e60c7bdb0","agenda_item_id":null,"speaker_id":"spk_100526_ms_boney","speaker_confidence":0.9,"start_sec":2181.85,"end_sec":2183.06,"text":"Yeah, I know. 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I got you. 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Uh, before, we had a problem with people not really feeling comfortable with filling them out. But if you have the forms in the hands of individuals that people in the community are familiar with, then uh they can also assist them with uh properly filling it out. So, uh, now, when I hear when I hear this senior citizen afraid to come out then whatever street they're living on, I think that there's someone on that street that can actually address that. Uh, my my main concern is that when there's a problem, and people call and they say they don't get the help that is needed, but accountability starts with the individuals that lives in every neighborhood. And so there has to be a way that you hold people accountable for behavior that actually exists in that neighborhood. I don't think that is uh it comes to the police it should be at a time when everything else has failed. 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But it changed by causing people to be accountable. And people in the neighborhood had to hold other individuals in the neighborhood accountable. And so I I believe that we're supposed to police ourselves before we call the police in. Because most times police don't have a good idea as to exactly what's going on, but everybody in every neighborhood knows exactly what is going on and who it's going on with. And so I think if we put the form in the hands of individual that uh is well known uh in the street. One of the things downtown is uh everybody know who you can go to on Governors. Everybody know who you can go to on Kirkwood. Everybody know who you can go to on Queen. There's always an individual that you can actually go to that everybody in in that street or neighborhood can relate to.","topics_json":"[\"public_safety\",\"housing\"]","vector_id":"vec_seg_100526_198","created_at":"2026-10-31T05:56:41Z","speaker_name":null},{"id":"seg_100526_199","meeting_id":"100526","media_asset_id":"med_100526_3319ac8e60c7bdb0","agenda_item_id":null,"speaker_id":"off_gerald_l_rocha_sr","speaker_confidence":0.95,"start_sec":2555.95,"end_sec":2569.45,"text":"...cost criteria of getting the form in the hands of the resident of of individual that other people in the neighborhood can relate to.","topics_json":"[]","vector_id":"vec_seg_100526_199","created_at":"2026-10-31T05:56:41Z","speaker_name":"Gerald L. 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So for those of you who may work with people who are struggling with addiction, just want to have an increased skill set in meeting the needs of those who are struggling with crisis, or just want to have a better understanding of what a mental illness is, how addiction impacts our communities, and what we can do to better serve the most underserved of us in Dover, I think it would be a very worthwhile program to be involved with.","topics_json":"[\"public_safety\"]","vector_id":"vec_seg_100526_20","created_at":"2026-10-31T05:56:40Z","speaker_name":null},{"id":"seg_100526_200","meeting_id":"100526","media_asset_id":"med_100526_3319ac8e60c7bdb0","agenda_item_id":null,"speaker_id":"spk_100526_commissioner","speaker_confidence":0,"start_sec":2570.95,"end_sec":2752.55,"text":"Um, great comment, Councilman Rocha. And um, I'm in agreement with what you're saying. And and I think that, um, in our district, District 4, the best district in Dover. Now let me stop. Let me stop, because you know I'm about to bring in the at-large person too. But um, like Mrs. Bonnie, she's in our district. She would be a great person to probably hold some forums, um, and and be a person who'd be able to tell what her experience is like, you know, coming to the meeting and being able to express some things, and what's to go on the form and things like that. Um it's going to start with us as as commissioners, um going out and making our districts aware. Uh There are folks in our district who are aware, but they probably don't want to go out. They may not- they may want to go out, but don't have the energy. The time might not allow them to go out, things like that. So, um, I've spoken with um some folks from the, um is it the Restoring Central Dover um neighborhood neighborhood uh partners? Um and and being able to use their building and uh use their support as well, um in order to help get some of the word out of what we do. 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And, uh, I've found, I realized that when people know people, real good communication and dialogue can take place. But it but it has to be someone that is that is consistent with making some making, uh, something available for people to gravitate to. Uh, of course, uh, we have individuals that does things, whether it's cooking or whatever. One of the ladies on this road, she does something, uh, every fourth Saturday for community. And what it give her an opportunity to do, it learn the names of people. Uh, she before they can get anything to to eat or anything, she she makes sure that they know they're going to be prayed for first. But it it establishes good rapport with people where you can communicate with them and you can learn more, uh, about what's going on. 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I have her information. I can share that with you.","topics_json":"[]","vector_id":"vec_seg_100526_220","created_at":"2026-10-31T05:56:41Z","speaker_name":"Wanda Mullen"},{"id":"seg_100526_221","meeting_id":"100526","media_asset_id":"med_100526_3319ac8e60c7bdb0","agenda_item_id":null,"speaker_id":"spk_100526_commissioner","speaker_confidence":0.75,"start_sec":3199.79,"end_sec":3201.19,"text":"Thank you.","topics_json":"[]","vector_id":"vec_seg_100526_221","created_at":"2026-10-31T05:56:41Z","speaker_name":null},{"id":"seg_100526_222","meeting_id":"100526","media_asset_id":"med_100526_3319ac8e60c7bdb0","agenda_item_id":null,"speaker_id":"spk_100526_commissioner","speaker_confidence":0.75,"start_sec":3201.19,"end_sec":3206.29,"text":"And, and can you give that information to, um, Ms. Weller, and she can put it in our minutes?","topics_json":"[]","vector_id":"vec_seg_100526_222","created_at":"2026-10-31T05:56:41Z","speaker_name":null},{"id":"seg_100526_223","meeting_id":"100526","media_asset_id":"med_100526_3319ac8e60c7bdb0","agenda_item_id":null,"speaker_id":"spk_100526_wanda_mullen","speaker_confidence":0.9,"start_sec":3206.29,"end_sec":3208.19,"text":"Yes.","topics_json":"[]","vector_id":"vec_seg_100526_223","created_at":"2026-10-31T05:56:41Z","speaker_name":"Wanda Mullen"},{"id":"seg_100526_224","meeting_id":"100526","media_asset_id":"med_100526_3319ac8e60c7bdb0","agenda_item_id":null,"speaker_id":"spk_100526_commissioner","speaker_confidence":0.75,"start_sec":3210.69,"end_sec":3212.59,"text":"Thank you. Yes.","topics_json":"[]","vector_id":"vec_seg_100526_224","created_at":"2026-10-31T05:56:41Z","speaker_name":null},{"id":"seg_100526_225","meeting_id":"100526","media_asset_id":"med_100526_3319ac8e60c7bdb0","agenda_item_id":null,"speaker_id":"off_roy_sudler_jr","speaker_confidence":0.95,"start_sec":3213.59,"end_sec":3214.89,"text":"Thank you.","topics_json":"[]","vector_id":"vec_seg_100526_225","created_at":"2026-10-31T05:56:41Z","speaker_name":"Roy Sudler, Jr."},{"id":"seg_100526_226","meeting_id":"100526","media_asset_id":"med_100526_3319ac8e60c7bdb0","agenda_item_id":null,"speaker_id":"spk_100526_wanda_mullen","speaker_confidence":0.9,"start_sec":3214.89,"end_sec":3218.59,"text":"Our next meeting is in three months, right?","topics_json":"[]","vector_id":"vec_seg_100526_226","created_at":"2026-10-31T05:56:41Z","speaker_name":"Wanda Mullen"},{"id":"seg_100526_227","meeting_id":"100526","media_asset_id":"med_100526_3319ac8e60c7bdb0","agenda_item_id":null,"speaker_id":"off_roy_sudler_jr","speaker_confidence":0.95,"start_sec":3218.59,"end_sec":3220.99,"text":"When is your next, um-","topics_json":"[]","vector_id":"vec_seg_100526_227","created_at":"2026-10-31T05:56:41Z","speaker_name":"Roy Sudler, Jr."},{"id":"seg_100526_228","meeting_id":"100526","media_asset_id":"med_100526_3319ac8e60c7bdb0","agenda_item_id":null,"speaker_id":"spk_100526_wanda_mullen","speaker_confidence":0.9,"start_sec":3220.99,"end_sec":3227.09,"text":"Uh, next month. August. Can you enlighten us on that, please?","topics_json":"[]","vector_id":"vec_seg_100526_228","created_at":"2026-10-31T05:56:41Z","speaker_name":"Wanda Mullen"},{"id":"seg_100526_229","meeting_id":"100526","media_asset_id":"med_100526_3319ac8e60c7bdb0","agenda_item_id":null,"speaker_id":"off_roy_sudler_jr","speaker_confidence":0.95,"start_sec":3228.29,"end_sec":3232.19,"text":"Will that just be the, the White Oak Association?","topics_json":"[]","vector_id":"vec_seg_100526_229","created_at":"2026-10-31T05:56:41Z","speaker_name":"Roy Sudler, Jr."},{"id":"seg_100526_23","meeting_id":"100526","media_asset_id":"med_100526_3319ac8e60c7bdb0","agenda_item_id":null,"speaker_id":"spk_100526_chair","speaker_confidence":0.85,"start_sec":335.41,"end_sec":353.01,"text":"Thank you, Mr. Daniel. Appreciate it. I saw people were really listening. Some good information there. Okay. Do we have, um... Yes.","topics_json":"[]","vector_id":"vec_seg_100526_23","created_at":"2026-10-31T05:56:40Z","speaker_name":null},{"id":"seg_100526_230","meeting_id":"100526","media_asset_id":"med_100526_3319ac8e60c7bdb0","agenda_item_id":null,"speaker_id":"spk_100526_wanda_mullen","speaker_confidence":0.9,"start_sec":3232.19,"end_sec":3251.49,"text":"The White Oak Townhomes Civic Association. So I'm going to also invite her to come and share that information at that meeting as well, um, because it will definitely be impactful and definitely a resource that people that has adolescents or have children can definitely tap into. It's a resource to help. Um, so, yeah.","topics_json":"[]","vector_id":"vec_seg_100526_230","created_at":"2026-10-31T05:56:41Z","speaker_name":"Wanda Mullen"},{"id":"seg_100526_231","meeting_id":"100526","media_asset_id":"med_100526_3319ac8e60c7bdb0","agenda_item_id":null,"speaker_id":"off_roy_sudler_jr","speaker_confidence":0.95,"start_sec":3251.49,"end_sec":3279.89,"text":"Past, um, I'm sorry, Commissioner Rocha, when, when, uh, Commissioner Mullen's, um, brings that forth to us, we want to take what she has and be able to distribute that as well, and we want to use that resource and, and host her in our district as well. I'm just putting that out there for District 4. I don't know about District 1, 2, or 3. I'll let them speak for, and Commissioner White?","topics_json":"[]","vector_id":"vec_seg_100526_231","created_at":"2026-10-31T05:56:41Z","speaker_name":"Roy Sudler, Jr."},{"id":"seg_100526_232","meeting_id":"100526","media_asset_id":"med_100526_3319ac8e60c7bdb0","agenda_item_id":null,"speaker_id":"spk_100526_faye_white","speaker_confidence":0.85,"start_sec":3280.99,"end_sec":3292.39,"text":"Uh, can I go back to the, um, I, I was trying to get your attention, uh, on the intake form, and I, and you never acknowledged me. So, is it possible that you could do that now?","topics_json":"[]","vector_id":"vec_seg_100526_232","created_at":"2026-10-31T05:56:41Z","speaker_name":"Faye White"},{"id":"seg_100526_233","meeting_id":"100526","media_asset_id":"med_100526_3319ac8e60c7bdb0","agenda_item_id":null,"speaker_id":"off_roy_sudler_jr","speaker_confidence":0.95,"start_sec":3292.39,"end_sec":3294.79,"text":"My, my, my apologies, uh, Commissioner White.","topics_json":"[]","vector_id":"vec_seg_100526_233","created_at":"2026-10-31T05:56:41Z","speaker_name":"Roy Sudler, Jr."},{"id":"seg_100526_234","meeting_id":"100526","media_asset_id":"med_100526_3319ac8e60c7bdb0","agenda_item_id":null,"speaker_id":"spk_100526_faye_white","speaker_confidence":0.85,"start_sec":3294.79,"end_sec":3296.79,"text":"I accept your apology, but it's-","topics_json":"[]","vector_id":"vec_seg_100526_234","created_at":"2026-10-31T05:56:41Z","speaker_name":"Faye White"},{"id":"seg_100526_235","meeting_id":"100526","media_asset_id":"med_100526_3319ac8e60c7bdb0","agenda_item_id":null,"speaker_id":"off_roy_sudler_jr","speaker_confidence":0.95,"start_sec":3296.79,"end_sec":3298.99,"text":"Yes, ma'am. The floor is yours.","topics_json":"[]","vector_id":"vec_seg_100526_235","created_at":"2026-10-31T05:56:41Z","speaker_name":"Roy Sudler, Jr."},{"id":"seg_100526_236","meeting_id":"100526","media_asset_id":"med_100526_3319ac8e60c7bdb0","agenda_item_id":null,"speaker_id":"spk_100526_faye_white","speaker_confidence":0.85,"start_sec":3298.99,"end_sec":3308.49,"text":"Thank you very much. On the intake form, um, when they are, when the form is filled out, and then it-","topics_json":"[]","vector_id":"vec_seg_100526_236","created_at":"2026-10-31T05:56:41Z","speaker_name":"Faye White"},{"id":"seg_100526_237","meeting_id":"100526","media_asset_id":"med_100526_3319ac8e60c7bdb0","agenda_item_id":null,"speaker_id":"off_roy_sudler_jr","speaker_confidence":0.95,"start_sec":3308.49,"end_sec":3309.99,"text":"Yes.","topics_json":"[]","vector_id":"vec_seg_100526_237","created_at":"2026-10-31T05:56:41Z","speaker_name":"Roy Sudler, Jr."},{"id":"seg_100526_238","meeting_id":"100526","media_asset_id":"med_100526_3319ac8e60c7bdb0","agenda_item_id":null,"speaker_id":"spk_100526_faye_white","speaker_confidence":0.85,"start_sec":3310.59,"end_sec":3342.39,"text":"Right. When it goes to the city clerk's office, um, the length of time that it takes for an individual, a constituent, to get an answer, okay, they come with an urgent situation, or problem, or issue. Okay. Then we have City Council, and we also have the Dover Human Relation, and we have open forum and everything. When they come, they come to seek. And, anyway, let me get this together. Where, um... When the, um-","topics_json":"[]","vector_id":"vec_seg_100526_238","created_at":"2026-10-31T05:56:41Z","speaker_name":"Faye White"},{"id":"seg_100526_239","meeting_id":"100526","media_asset_id":"med_100526_3319ac8e60c7bdb0","agenda_item_id":null,"speaker_id":"spk_100526_female_speaker","speaker_confidence":0.9,"start_sec":3342.4,"end_sec":3351.1,"text":"And all the When they come, the young lady Would I be correct in calling the young lady's name, Miss Bonnie? 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The the crimes that's happening in these small little communities don't seem to be something that is on any agenda, um, that, you know, hopefully we can enforce them to push more things that the communities actually have concerns about besides with just council has. Um, so I'm not sure if that's something that we can do as this committee, and go, \"Look, we need to, you know, stop talking about, you know, pedestrians and and getting money off the street and all that stuff. We have better things to do like stop crimes, stop, you know, violence towards each other, stop, you know,","topics_json":"[\"public_safety\"]","vector_id":"vec_seg_100526_24","created_at":"2026-10-31T05:56:40Z","speaker_name":"Belinda Mane"},{"id":"seg_100526_240","meeting_id":"100526","media_asset_id":"med_100526_3319ac8e60c7bdb0","agenda_item_id":null,"speaker_id":"spk_100526_male_speaker","speaker_confidence":0.7,"start_sec":3351.1,"end_sec":3353.2,"text":"Yes. Bonnie.","topics_json":"[]","vector_id":"vec_seg_100526_240","created_at":"2026-10-31T05:56:41Z","speaker_name":null},{"id":"seg_100526_241","meeting_id":"100526","media_asset_id":"med_100526_3319ac8e60c7bdb0","agenda_item_id":null,"speaker_id":"spk_100526_female_speaker","speaker_confidence":0.9,"start_sec":3353.2,"end_sec":3369,"text":"Okay. With all these organizations in each and every community, you have two City Council people. You have two Dover Human Relations people. When they come and they voice their opinion at the podium here, also I'm looking at this intake form.","topics_json":"[\"public_safety\"]","vector_id":"vec_seg_100526_241","created_at":"2026-10-31T05:56:41Z","speaker_name":null},{"id":"seg_100526_242","meeting_id":"100526","media_asset_id":"med_100526_3319ac8e60c7bdb0","agenda_item_id":null,"speaker_id":"spk_100526_female_speaker","speaker_confidence":0.9,"start_sec":3369,"end_sec":3378.2,"text":"When this intake form is filled out, it goes to the City Clerk's office. Would I be correct with that?","topics_json":"[]","vector_id":"vec_seg_100526_242","created_at":"2026-10-31T05:56:41Z","speaker_name":null},{"id":"seg_100526_243","meeting_id":"100526","media_asset_id":"med_100526_3319ac8e60c7bdb0","agenda_item_id":null,"speaker_id":"spk_100526_female_speaker","speaker_confidence":0.9,"start_sec":3378.2,"end_sec":3393.9,"text":"The time that they put in their they're putting in their requests or issues or whatever it is, they're not looking for two or three months to for someone to get back with them. That's why they come out into the community, would I be correct?","topics_json":"[]","vector_id":"vec_seg_100526_243","created_at":"2026-10-31T05:56:41Z","speaker_name":null},{"id":"seg_100526_244","meeting_id":"100526","media_asset_id":"med_100526_3319ac8e60c7bdb0","agenda_item_id":null,"speaker_id":"spk_100526_female_speaker","speaker_confidence":0.9,"start_sec":3393.9,"end_sec":3443.2,"text":"They're looking for answers and looking for answers. And I'm hearing where they have, um, uh--","topics_json":"[]","vector_id":"vec_seg_100526_244","created_at":"2026-10-31T05:56:41Z","speaker_name":null},{"id":"seg_100526_245","meeting_id":"100526","media_asset_id":"med_100526_3319ac8e60c7bdb0","agenda_item_id":null,"speaker_id":"spk_100526_female_speaker","speaker_confidence":0.9,"start_sec":3443.2,"end_sec":3473,"text":"Uh, no disrespect, but all these organizations, there is no way that in the community that we should have all these problems or issues. It has to be It has a beginning and it has an end. We are parents in the community. It's our children. It's our issues. Therefore, when they're searching to please, like this, um Here I go again.","topics_json":"[]","vector_id":"vec_seg_100526_245","created_at":"2026-10-31T05:56:41Z","speaker_name":null},{"id":"seg_100526_246","meeting_id":"100526","media_asset_id":"med_100526_3319ac8e60c7bdb0","agenda_item_id":null,"speaker_id":"spk_100526_male_speaker","speaker_confidence":0.7,"start_sec":3473,"end_sec":3474.7,"text":"Bonnie.","topics_json":"[]","vector_id":"vec_seg_100526_246","created_at":"2026-10-31T05:56:41Z","speaker_name":null},{"id":"seg_100526_247","meeting_id":"100526","media_asset_id":"med_100526_3319ac8e60c7bdb0","agenda_item_id":null,"speaker_id":"spk_100526_female_speaker","speaker_confidence":0.9,"start_sec":3474.7,"end_sec":3496.6,"text":"Bonnie. I hear your crying and your call and all those issues that you have addressed. I've been here and I've heard them for years in the City Council, ever since ever since 2000. And with that said, I have not seen anything, any results. I have not seen any success stories. And, uh, and with that said,","topics_json":"[]","vector_id":"vec_seg_100526_247","created_at":"2026-10-31T05:56:41Z","speaker_name":null},{"id":"seg_100526_248","meeting_id":"100526","media_asset_id":"med_100526_3319ac8e60c7bdb0","agenda_item_id":null,"speaker_id":"spk_100526_female_speaker","speaker_confidence":0.9,"start_sec":3496.6,"end_sec":3520.4,"text":"Roy Councilman Roy Sudler at that time has been an instrument in the community when he served as city the Dover Human Relations, the chair then. I sat in David Anderson's seat for four years while he went to Afghanistan. We worked very hard. We went into the community, and in doing that, they wanted to demolish, if I'm saying that word right, demolish the, uh, organization.","topics_json":"[]","vector_id":"vec_seg_100526_248","created_at":"2026-10-31T05:56:41Z","speaker_name":null},{"id":"seg_100526_249","meeting_id":"100526","media_asset_id":"med_100526_3319ac8e60c7bdb0","agenda_item_id":null,"speaker_id":"spk_100526_female_speaker","speaker_confidence":0.9,"start_sec":3520.4,"end_sec":3539,"text":"So here I sit again, which will be my fifth year. I have not seen any success. And to coming to the chambers here each and every time and opportunity that's given, and I hear about all the organizations, and I hear the crying and the call of the families. And you mention a lot of the intake, uh, if I be correct, Habitat. You mention people coming from the North, South, East, and West, from different cities and states. They have a right to come here, but it when I'm, no, let me let me, uh I apologize. I may have stumbled a little bit. But we I come from another state also, but I came to to help. I came to advocate, and I've been doing that ever since I've been here. I don't work for anyone, and I'm not looking for a position.","topics_json":"[\"housing\",\"homelessness\"]","vector_id":"vec_seg_100526_249","created_at":"2026-10-31T05:56:41Z","speaker_name":null},{"id":"seg_100526_25","meeting_id":"100526","media_asset_id":"med_100526_3319ac8e60c7bdb0","agenda_item_id":null,"speaker_id":"spk_100526_public_commenter_1","speaker_confidence":0.9,"start_sec":393.22,"end_sec":439.72,"text":"places on towards each other in the communities, you know, gather together and formulate a city that's actually supported by its residents and its constituents, and not only them, but also the renters that that are here in our community that, you know, they don't have a say in anything because they don't own the property. But yet they should have a say because they lived there for 10-12 years. They should have some type of say. Um and that that's pretty much my concerns is is our concerns that aren't being met by council, that we need to, you know, formulate another way to get them to see exactly what's going on. Um and that's mostly my concerns is is the constituents aren't getting what they need. Thank you.","topics_json":"[\"housing\",\"community_engagement\"]","vector_id":"vec_seg_100526_25","created_at":"2026-10-31T05:56:40Z","speaker_name":null},{"id":"seg_100526_250","meeting_id":"100526","media_asset_id":"med_100526_3319ac8e60c7bdb0","agenda_item_id":null,"speaker_id":"spk_100526_faye_white","speaker_confidence":0.9,"start_sec":3539.01,"end_sec":3556.46,"text":"Right. And so I've seen a lot of crime here since 2000. I've seen the hangings, I've seen the, um, rehab and people here. Roy Sudler, here we go again. Commissioner Roy Sudler, at that particular time we went out to the community. We couldn't meet here in the chambers here, and we went out. And we addressed the issues because they was fearful and afraid to come here into the chambers for being arrested.","topics_json":"[\"public_safety\"]","vector_id":"vec_seg_100526_250","created_at":"2026-10-31T05:56:41Z","speaker_name":"Faye White"},{"id":"seg_100526_251","meeting_id":"100526","media_asset_id":"med_100526_3319ac8e60c7bdb0","agenda_item_id":null,"speaker_id":"spk_100526_faye_white","speaker_confidence":0.9,"start_sec":3556.71,"end_sec":3571.49,"text":"We not only have to hold the judicial system accountable, and not only the City Council, and at present, as I sit here as community relations, but we also have to hold the parents in the community, they are our children. It's our community. So before we go out to seek help, I believe truly that we have to look at ourselves first in our community.","topics_json":"[\"public_safety\"]","vector_id":"vec_seg_100526_251","created_at":"2026-10-31T05:56:41Z","speaker_name":"Faye White"},{"id":"seg_100526_252","meeting_id":"100526","media_asset_id":"med_100526_3319ac8e60c7bdb0","agenda_item_id":null,"speaker_id":"spk_100526_faye_white","speaker_confidence":0.9,"start_sec":3571.92,"end_sec":3621.48,"text":"And the only way that I can say, as I say when I was committee person before that here, I can only be as good as you use me. If you don't use me, you I I I mean, you know, I work on behalf of the people. I advocate on behalf of the people. And each and every time now they are trying to uh would I be correct in this, uh Chairman, um, Sudler, to take away the time and opportunity that we can give to you all constructive. We don't get paid. And the thing is that we advocate on behalf of you all.","topics_json":"[]","vector_id":"vec_seg_100526_252","created_at":"2026-10-31T05:56:41Z","speaker_name":"Faye White"},{"id":"seg_100526_253","meeting_id":"100526","media_asset_id":"med_100526_3319ac8e60c7bdb0","agenda_item_id":null,"speaker_id":"spk_100526_faye_white","speaker_confidence":0.9,"start_sec":3621.6,"end_sec":3632.53,"text":"So, in looking at this form, I'm going I guess you see I'm skipping a whole lot of stuff, but I'm going to this form here. If I was in your position and I had to fill this form out in its entirety, then it goes to city clerk. It has nothing to do with us until like until the city clerk, would I be correct in that, and making a decision?","topics_json":"[]","vector_id":"vec_seg_100526_253","created_at":"2026-10-31T05:56:41Z","speaker_name":"Faye White"},{"id":"seg_100526_254","meeting_id":"100526","media_asset_id":"med_100526_3319ac8e60c7bdb0","agenda_item_id":null,"speaker_id":"off_roy_sudler_jr","speaker_confidence":0.95,"start_sec":3632.84,"end_sec":3633.4,"text":"That's right.","topics_json":"[]","vector_id":"vec_seg_100526_254","created_at":"2026-10-31T05:56:41Z","speaker_name":"Roy Sudler, Jr."},{"id":"seg_100526_255","meeting_id":"100526","media_asset_id":"med_100526_3319ac8e60c7bdb0","agenda_item_id":null,"speaker_id":"spk_100526_faye_white","speaker_confidence":0.9,"start_sec":3633.53,"end_sec":3672.59,"text":"Okay. So, in making that decision, uh we're getting a lot of flak and being held accountable for not interacting, uh sooner than soon with issues and problems. So, I don't want you to feel at any particular time that Dover Human Relations are not trying. And no, no, no, I I'm not I'm not trying to do the best that we can. And then, again, too, uh","topics_json":"[]","vector_id":"vec_seg_100526_255","created_at":"2026-10-31T05:56:41Z","speaker_name":"Faye White"},{"id":"seg_100526_256","meeting_id":"100526","media_asset_id":"med_100526_3319ac8e60c7bdb0","agenda_item_id":null,"speaker_id":"spk_100526_faye_white","speaker_confidence":0.9,"start_sec":3675.44,"end_sec":3693.52,"text":"uh you need to know, um like in and looking over the form, knowing the uh actions of the commission's action, okay, it may be a possibility that your issue or your problem situation may be addressed. But then you wouldn't know that, neither would we. So, you can't hold us accountable as Dover Human Relations. So, what do we do? Everybody, like I I think you said, if I'm correct, don't know how to fill out","topics_json":"[]","vector_id":"vec_seg_100526_256","created_at":"2026-10-31T05:56:41Z","speaker_name":"Faye White"},{"id":"seg_100526_257","meeting_id":"100526","media_asset_id":"med_100526_3319ac8e60c7bdb0","agenda_item_id":null,"speaker_id":"off_roy_sudler_jr","speaker_confidence":0.95,"start_sec":3693.64,"end_sec":3694.07,"text":"Commissioner White.","topics_json":"[]","vector_id":"vec_seg_100526_257","created_at":"2026-10-31T05:56:41Z","speaker_name":"Roy Sudler, Jr."},{"id":"seg_100526_258","meeting_id":"100526","media_asset_id":"med_100526_3319ac8e60c7bdb0","agenda_item_id":null,"speaker_id":"off_roy_sudler_jr","speaker_confidence":0.95,"start_sec":3694.7,"end_sec":3735.62,"text":"So, um what would be good is for Ms. Boney to have the opportunity to sit with you and go over that form and if possible please make sure that her concerns are addressed on the form correctly and um in in a way that, um, you know, her concerns are expressed to the city. But, the thing is,","topics_json":"[]","vector_id":"vec_seg_100526_258","created_at":"2026-10-31T05:56:41Z","speaker_name":"Roy Sudler, Jr."},{"id":"seg_100526_259","meeting_id":"100526","media_asset_id":"med_100526_3319ac8e60c7bdb0","agenda_item_id":null,"speaker_id":"spk_100526_chair","speaker_confidence":0.9,"start_sec":3735.62,"end_sec":3758.42,"text":"I'm trying to make sure that we get a copy of what is filled out, regardless if it comes to us as where the authority to take care of or not, we still need to know who is trying to reach out to us and what concerns they're trying to bring to us because that speaks to the Assessment Committee, the relevancy of the DHRC.","topics_json":"[]","vector_id":"vec_seg_100526_259","created_at":"2026-10-31T05:56:41Z","speaker_name":null},{"id":"seg_100526_26","meeting_id":"100526","media_asset_id":"med_100526_3319ac8e60c7bdb0","agenda_item_id":null,"speaker_id":"off_andre_m_boggerty","speaker_confidence":0.95,"start_sec":441.12,"end_sec":448.62,"text":"Thank you. We still have 3 minutes left if uh we have any more comments from the public.","topics_json":"[]","vector_id":"vec_seg_100526_26","created_at":"2026-10-31T05:56:40Z","speaker_name":"Andre M. Boggerty"},{"id":"seg_100526_260","meeting_id":"100526","media_asset_id":"med_100526_3319ac8e60c7bdb0","agenda_item_id":null,"speaker_id":"spk_100526_faye_white","speaker_confidence":0.95,"start_sec":3758.42,"end_sec":3767.42,"text":"When have we gotten an answer to that? When have we gotten answers to an assessment?","topics_json":"[]","vector_id":"vec_seg_100526_260","created_at":"2026-10-31T05:56:41Z","speaker_name":"Faye White"},{"id":"seg_100526_261","meeting_id":"100526","media_asset_id":"med_100526_3319ac8e60c7bdb0","agenda_item_id":null,"speaker_id":"spk_100526_chair","speaker_confidence":0.9,"start_sec":3767.42,"end_sec":3772.02,"text":"Well, we we get answers. We get answers.","topics_json":"[]","vector_id":"vec_seg_100526_261","created_at":"2026-10-31T05:56:41Z","speaker_name":null},{"id":"seg_100526_262","meeting_id":"100526","media_asset_id":"med_100526_3319ac8e60c7bdb0","agenda_item_id":null,"speaker_id":"spk_100526_faye_white","speaker_confidence":0.95,"start_sec":3772.02,"end_sec":3776.82,"text":"Okay, but do the public do the public do the public get it? Do they know that?","topics_json":"[]","vector_id":"vec_seg_100526_262","created_at":"2026-10-31T05:56:41Z","speaker_name":"Faye White"},{"id":"seg_100526_263","meeting_id":"100526","media_asset_id":"med_100526_3319ac8e60c7bdb0","agenda_item_id":null,"speaker_id":"spk_100526_chair","speaker_confidence":0.9,"start_sec":3776.82,"end_sec":3783.62,"text":"We get answers, and if we want to talk about a specific one, we will bring that up at another time, but we do get answers.","topics_json":"[]","vector_id":"vec_seg_100526_263","created_at":"2026-10-31T05:56:41Z","speaker_name":null},{"id":"seg_100526_264","meeting_id":"100526","media_asset_id":"med_100526_3319ac8e60c7bdb0","agenda_item_id":null,"speaker_id":"spk_100526_faye_white","speaker_confidence":0.95,"start_sec":3783.62,"end_sec":3789.22,"text":"So we're not talking about a specific one. We're talking about a success story. These I I","topics_json":"[]","vector_id":"vec_seg_100526_264","created_at":"2026-10-31T05:56:41Z","speaker_name":"Faye White"},{"id":"seg_100526_265","meeting_id":"100526","media_asset_id":"med_100526_3319ac8e60c7bdb0","agenda_item_id":null,"speaker_id":"spk_100526_chair","speaker_confidence":0.9,"start_sec":3789.22,"end_sec":3836.42,"text":"Commissioner, we're not we're not here tonight to talk about success stories. 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I'm happy to say today while it was not what we envisioned when we started, we ended up partnering with the Inner City Cultural League and on Thursday, July 30th, [child's name removed] will be delivering a lemonade stand workshop to the 15 summer camp participants at the Sankofa summer camp, and as a follow-up Councilman Roy Sudler has lobbied for us to have a Lemonade Stand Day for the city of Dover on Saturday, August 15th, and we hope the third Saturday of each of August moving forward each year. We want to give particular thanks while we are here on the record to Councilman David Anderson and Councilwoman Donyale Hall for their generous contributions. All of the participants, all 15 participants of the July 30th workshop will receive workbooks, backpacks, and lemonade stand starter kits. We've also partnered with businesses and homeowners in the area, including Paris Nail Lounge on Governors, Janade's Salon, and a variety of other homeowners to mentor the young entrepreneurs from the workshop and allow them to set up their lemonade stands on their property. And that does highlight this doesn't end here in August. We hope this is the beginning of a tradition for the city of Dover to support youth entrepreneurship and civic engagement. Through the workshop curriculum, all of the participants are encouraged to not only make money, but save it. The workshop includes a financial literacy component. Del-One is one of our partners, and they will be coming to deliver a financial literacy mini-workshop to the participants. And they're also encouraged to give. Each year [child's name removed] selects a nonprofit or a cause to give a portion of her earnings from each summer to. So we're hoping that the city will support us in making this a tradition each year for the youth in the city of Dover.","topics_json":"[\"business\"]","vector_id":"vec_seg_100526_305","created_at":"2026-10-31T05:56:41Z","speaker_name":null},{"id":"seg_100526_306","meeting_id":"100526","media_asset_id":"med_100526_3319ac8e60c7bdb0","agenda_item_id":null,"speaker_id":"spk_100526_commissioner","speaker_confidence":0.8,"start_sec":4276.65,"end_sec":4277.85,"text":"Thank you.","topics_json":"[]","vector_id":"vec_seg_100526_306","created_at":"2026-10-31T05:56:41Z","speaker_name":null},{"id":"seg_100526_307","meeting_id":"100526","media_asset_id":"med_100526_3319ac8e60c7bdb0","agenda_item_id":null,"speaker_id":null,"speaker_confidence":0.85,"start_sec":4277.85,"end_sec":4278.65,"text":"[Withheld: this speaker said they are a child or a school student.]","topics_json":"[]","vector_id":"vec_seg_100526_307","created_at":"2026-10-31T05:56:41Z","speaker_name":null},{"id":"seg_100526_308","meeting_id":"100526","media_asset_id":"med_100526_3319ac8e60c7bdb0","agenda_item_id":null,"speaker_id":"spk_100526_public_commenter","speaker_confidence":0.9,"start_sec":4278.65,"end_sec":4286.35,"text":"Um, and I did share with you, um, Commissioner, um, a flyer for the Lemonade Stand Day.","topics_json":"[\"business\"]","vector_id":"vec_seg_100526_308","created_at":"2026-10-31T05:56:41Z","speaker_name":null},{"id":"seg_100526_309","meeting_id":"100526","media_asset_id":"med_100526_3319ac8e60c7bdb0","agenda_item_id":null,"speaker_id":"spk_100526_commissioner","speaker_confidence":0.8,"start_sec":4286.55,"end_sec":4289.25,"text":"I will, I'll send it to, um, Ms. Whittler.","topics_json":"[]","vector_id":"vec_seg_100526_309","created_at":"2026-10-31T05:56:41Z","speaker_name":null},{"id":"seg_100526_31","meeting_id":"100526","media_asset_id":"med_100526_3319ac8e60c7bdb0","agenda_item_id":null,"speaker_id":"spk_100526_bonnie","speaker_confidence":0.95,"start_sec":474.32,"end_sec":475.42,"text":"Come on.","topics_json":"[]","vector_id":"vec_seg_100526_31","created_at":"2026-10-31T05:56:40Z","speaker_name":"Bonnie"},{"id":"seg_100526_310","meeting_id":"100526","media_asset_id":"med_100526_3319ac8e60c7bdb0","agenda_item_id":null,"speaker_id":null,"speaker_confidence":0.85,"start_sec":4289.25,"end_sec":4290.35,"text":"[Withheld: this speaker said they are a child or a school student.]","topics_json":"[]","vector_id":"vec_seg_100526_310","created_at":"2026-10-31T05:56:41Z","speaker_name":null},{"id":"seg_100526_311","meeting_id":"100526","media_asset_id":"med_100526_3319ac8e60c7bdb0","agenda_item_id":null,"speaker_id":"spk_100526_public_commenter","speaker_confidence":0.9,"start_sec":4290.35,"end_sec":4296.15,"text":"Yes, you can. 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Boggerty"},{"id":"seg_100526_320","meeting_id":"100526","media_asset_id":"med_100526_3319ac8e60c7bdb0","agenda_item_id":null,"speaker_id":"spk_100526_public_commenter","speaker_confidence":0.9,"start_sec":4315.95,"end_sec":4325.45,"text":"Um, and one gives you some information on [child's name removed]'s Lemonade Stand, um, and her ongoing fundraising efforts to support this workshop and the work moving...","topics_json":"[\"business\"]","vector_id":"vec_seg_100526_320","created_at":"2026-10-31T05:56:41Z","speaker_name":null},{"id":"seg_100526_321","meeting_id":"100526","media_asset_id":"med_100526_3319ac8e60c7bdb0","agenda_item_id":null,"speaker_id":"spk_100526_female_speaker","speaker_confidence":0.85,"start_sec":4325.46,"end_sec":4326.98,"text":"moving forward in the future.","topics_json":"[]","vector_id":"vec_seg_100526_321","created_at":"2026-10-31T05:56:41Z","speaker_name":null},{"id":"seg_100526_322","meeting_id":"100526","media_asset_id":"med_100526_3319ac8e60c7bdb0","agenda_item_id":null,"speaker_id":"spk_100526_dhrc_commissioner","speaker_confidence":0.85,"start_sec":4327.42,"end_sec":4330.29,"text":"Thank you. Thank you. And thank you.","topics_json":"[]","vector_id":"vec_seg_100526_322","created_at":"2026-10-31T05:56:41Z","speaker_name":null},{"id":"seg_100526_323","meeting_id":"100526","media_asset_id":"med_100526_3319ac8e60c7bdb0","agenda_item_id":null,"speaker_id":"spk_100526_dhrc_commissioner","speaker_confidence":0.85,"start_sec":4330.73,"end_sec":4470.72,"text":"So, the lemonade uh day, she said is on the 15th. The 15th of August is the third Saturday in August. We were trying to build upon the lemonade day weekend being um even though it's it's the 15th, that's not the permanent date. We have a permanent day. It just so happens that the 15th falls on the third Saturday in August. That third weekend in August is the weekend, the ideal weekend that we would like to try and implement our community relations weekend. So, with having the lemonade stand day as part of that weekend, that's really like the kick start. That the lemonade stand would most likely be throughout the city of Dover at particular residences, and we would be helping to announce and promote the lemonade event. Lemonade Day event. So, um just for your all's uh for informational purposes only, we talked about having uh bringing the community the the commission bringing the community relations weekend where we can have our constituents in the city of Dover have a a a weekend to um engage with each other and things like that. These are one of the events that helps with that promotion. It helps with that engagement. Helps bring the that's the youth portion, that's some of the youth portion that we're talking about, and we know it starts as they're young. 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So just a couple of things I wanted to make sure we added. Um one, you can get more information, um [child's name removed]'s Lemonade Stand is on Facebook, and we're regularly updating the page. Um and you can contact us directly if you have any questions at helenaroseslemonadestand, all together, um @gmail.com.","topics_json":"[\"business\"]","vector_id":"vec_seg_100526_326","created_at":"2026-10-31T05:56:41Z","speaker_name":null},{"id":"seg_100526_327","meeting_id":"100526","media_asset_id":"med_100526_3319ac8e60c7bdb0","agenda_item_id":null,"speaker_id":"spk_100526_public_commenter","speaker_confidence":0.9,"start_sec":4488.8,"end_sec":4522.07,"text":"Um also, we are continuing to ask for support and advocacy. Delaware law does protect children who want to have lemonade stands, um I think it's HB 331. Um there are some caveats, it has to be on public property, I mean, private property with the owner's permission. They have to be temporary. They can't be alcoholic beverages or um like prepared foods. However, um that legislation actually does exclude a number of young people in our community. Children who live in apartment complexes um may have difficulty, their families may have difficulty contacting an owner um to get direct permission. And we did confirm this year that at least under Dover Housing Authority, lemonade stands are prohibited.","topics_json":"[\"business\",\"housing\"]","vector_id":"vec_seg_100526_327","created_at":"2026-10-31T05:56:41Z","speaker_name":null},{"id":"seg_100526_328","meeting_id":"100526","media_asset_id":"med_100526_3319ac8e60c7bdb0","agenda_item_id":null,"speaker_id":null,"speaker_confidence":0.95,"start_sec":4522.07,"end_sec":4560.8,"text":"[Withheld: this speaker said they are a child or a school student.]","topics_json":"[\"business\"]","vector_id":"vec_seg_100526_328","created_at":"2026-10-31T05:56:41Z","speaker_name":null},{"id":"seg_100526_329","meeting_id":"100526","media_asset_id":"med_100526_3319ac8e60c7bdb0","agenda_item_id":null,"speaker_id":"spk_100526_chair","speaker_confidence":0.9,"start_sec":4561.96,"end_sec":4562.94,"text":"Thank you. Appreciate it.","topics_json":"[]","vector_id":"vec_seg_100526_329","created_at":"2026-10-31T05:56:41Z","speaker_name":null},{"id":"seg_100526_33","meeting_id":"100526","media_asset_id":"med_100526_3319ac8e60c7bdb0","agenda_item_id":null,"speaker_id":"spk_100526_bonnie","speaker_confidence":0.95,"start_sec":477.62,"end_sec":482.62,"text":"I have nothing to say because everything It's","topics_json":"[]","vector_id":"vec_seg_100526_33","created_at":"2026-10-31T05:56:40Z","speaker_name":"Bonnie"},{"id":"seg_100526_330","meeting_id":"100526","media_asset_id":"med_100526_3319ac8e60c7bdb0","agenda_item_id":null,"speaker_id":"spk_100526_chair","speaker_confidence":0.9,"start_sec":4599.62,"end_sec":4601.29,"text":"Thank you for your excellent presentation,","topics_json":"[]","vector_id":"vec_seg_100526_330","created_at":"2026-10-31T05:56:41Z","speaker_name":null},{"id":"seg_100526_331","meeting_id":"100526","media_asset_id":"med_100526_3319ac8e60c7bdb0","agenda_item_id":null,"speaker_id":null,"speaker_confidence":0.95,"start_sec":4601.29,"end_sec":4602.04,"text":"[Withheld: this speaker said they are a child or a school student.]","topics_json":"[]","vector_id":"vec_seg_100526_331","created_at":"2026-10-31T05:56:41Z","speaker_name":null},{"id":"seg_100526_332","meeting_id":"100526","media_asset_id":"med_100526_3319ac8e60c7bdb0","agenda_item_id":null,"speaker_id":"spk_100526_chair","speaker_confidence":0.9,"start_sec":4602.04,"end_sec":4603.65,"text":"Ms. [child's name removed].","topics_json":"[]","vector_id":"vec_seg_100526_332","created_at":"2026-10-31T05:56:41Z","speaker_name":null},{"id":"seg_100526_333","meeting_id":"100526","media_asset_id":"med_100526_3319ac8e60c7bdb0","agenda_item_id":null,"speaker_id":"spk_100526_chair","speaker_confidence":0.9,"start_sec":4604.19,"end_sec":4700.03,"text":"Okay, uh we we want to scoot right along. Um, the School Programs Committee, um, Commissioner Maule, Commissioner White, Commissioner Fleming, and myself. Um, for me, I do not have any um announcements regarding the school programs. However, I I do want to let you know that I have been talking to Delaware State University um regarding their community uh their community day that they have once each semester. So it's two times a year, one in the fall semester, one in the spring semester. I'm talking with them to be able to partnership with um The first school is Campus Community School, and then uh also in the Caesar Rodney District uh partnered with um David E. Robinson Elementary School um to also to see when they start uh they were very interested in being involved with that as well. So, um, if we can branch out and and and make sure all of our community is involved and included. And and, you know, we have different areas in Dover. Dover does include some of the Caesar Rodney school children, and we know how those lines are kind of blurred and you might have a Dover address, but have to attend a Caesar Rodney School District institution. So, um, you know, we are partnering with with local schools in both districts. Okay? Um, Commissioner Maule?","topics_json":"[]","vector_id":"vec_seg_100526_333","created_at":"2026-10-31T05:56:41Z","speaker_name":null},{"id":"seg_100526_334","meeting_id":"100526","media_asset_id":"med_100526_3319ac8e60c7bdb0","agenda_item_id":null,"speaker_id":"spk_100526_commissioner_maule","speaker_confidence":0.9,"start_sec":4701.76,"end_sec":4703.18,"text":"Nothing at this time.","topics_json":"[]","vector_id":"vec_seg_100526_334","created_at":"2026-10-31T05:56:41Z","speaker_name":null},{"id":"seg_100526_335","meeting_id":"100526","media_asset_id":"med_100526_3319ac8e60c7bdb0","agenda_item_id":null,"speaker_id":"spk_100526_chair","speaker_confidence":0.9,"start_sec":4704.1,"end_sec":4705.17,"text":"Commissioner Fleming?","topics_json":"[]","vector_id":"vec_seg_100526_335","created_at":"2026-10-31T05:56:41Z","speaker_name":null},{"id":"seg_100526_336","meeting_id":"100526","media_asset_id":"med_100526_3319ac8e60c7bdb0","agenda_item_id":null,"speaker_id":"spk_100526_commissioner_fleming","speaker_confidence":0.9,"start_sec":4706.6,"end_sec":4708.05,"text":"I have nothing at this point.","topics_json":"[]","vector_id":"vec_seg_100526_336","created_at":"2026-10-31T05:56:41Z","speaker_name":null},{"id":"seg_100526_337","meeting_id":"100526","media_asset_id":"med_100526_3319ac8e60c7bdb0","agenda_item_id":null,"speaker_id":"spk_100526_chair","speaker_confidence":0.9,"start_sec":4708.9,"end_sec":4709.65,"text":"Commissioner White?","topics_json":"[]","vector_id":"vec_seg_100526_337","created_at":"2026-10-31T05:56:41Z","speaker_name":null},{"id":"seg_100526_338","meeting_id":"100526","media_asset_id":"med_100526_3319ac8e60c7bdb0","agenda_item_id":null,"speaker_id":"spk_100526_chair","speaker_confidence":0.9,"start_sec":4710.04,"end_sec":4717.29,"text":"Okay. Thank you. We move to the Bylaws uh Committee. Commissioner White, do you have anything you want to suggest for our bylaws?","topics_json":"[]","vector_id":"vec_seg_100526_338","created_at":"2026-10-31T05:56:41Z","speaker_name":null},{"id":"seg_100526_339","meeting_id":"100526","media_asset_id":"med_100526_3319ac8e60c7bdb0","agenda_item_id":null,"speaker_id":"spk_100526_commissioner_white","speaker_confidence":0.9,"start_sec":4717.87,"end_sec":4718.68,"text":"Not at this time, but I","topics_json":"[]","vector_id":"vec_seg_100526_339","created_at":"2026-10-31T05:56:41Z","speaker_name":null},{"id":"seg_100526_34","meeting_id":"100526","media_asset_id":"med_100526_3319ac8e60c7bdb0","agenda_item_id":null,"speaker_id":"spk_100526_bonnie","speaker_confidence":0.95,"start_sec":483.32,"end_sec":589.82,"text":"Hi, my name is Bonnie. It's more or less, I really don't have much to say because I'm just frustrated and aggravated with the city. The more you come in here then talk to people, the more you're talking to one here and it's going right through the other. And nothing's getting done. I listen to half of these meetings where you've got senior citizens saying they can't come out of their home because they're scared to come out of the home. Okay, first of all, you need to find out why you're scared of coming out of your home. Look, when I first moved in this city, I moved back here in 2005. I live on North Kirkwood Street. Okay, and that was the worst street you could live on in this city at the time. And I was I'm not going to lie, I was scared back then. Fridays and Saturday nights, only thing I could tell you was kiss the floor and hope you don't die. But then I woke up one morning and said, \"Wait, wait, wait, wait, I bought this house, I'm paying on this house. I'm not going to let no one come in here and take over my property.\" And that's where you got to look at. Why are these senior citizens scared to come out of their home? Why are they scared to call the police department? Because I'm going to tell you why: the police are not there for us. They've never been there. I can't even get them to come on North Kirkwood Street. The problem in Dover is they're focusing on one side of the area. They're always focusing on the south side, and there's also people on the north side that are starting to complain. They can't get no help. They can't- I'm not I'm not here. I come here and I talk just like everybody else.","topics_json":"[\"public_safety\",\"housing\"]","vector_id":"vec_seg_100526_34","created_at":"2026-10-31T05:56:40Z","speaker_name":"Bonnie"},{"id":"seg_100526_340","meeting_id":"100526","media_asset_id":"med_100526_3319ac8e60c7bdb0","agenda_item_id":null,"speaker_id":"spk_100526_faye_white","speaker_confidence":0.9,"start_sec":4718.68,"end_sec":4726.68,"text":"Call for 78. Um Can we get back Can we get back the next meeting if it's easier and before we decide. Yes. Okay.","topics_json":"[]","vector_id":"vec_seg_100526_340","created_at":"2026-10-31T05:56:41Z","speaker_name":"Faye White"},{"id":"seg_100526_341","meeting_id":"100526","media_asset_id":"med_100526_3319ac8e60c7bdb0","agenda_item_id":null,"speaker_id":"spk_100526_unknown_male_speaker","speaker_confidence":0.85,"start_sec":4726.98,"end_sec":4732.58,"text":"No problem. Thank you Commissioner White. Um Commissioner Bunting?","topics_json":"[]","vector_id":"vec_seg_100526_341","created_at":"2026-10-31T05:56:41Z","speaker_name":null},{"id":"seg_100526_342","meeting_id":"100526","media_asset_id":"med_100526_3319ac8e60c7bdb0","agenda_item_id":null,"speaker_id":"spk_100526_commissioner_bunting","speaker_confidence":0.9,"start_sec":4732.78,"end_sec":4742.98,"text":"The same here. I'm going to wait until the next meeting because I still would like to update the bylaws. 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I just want to commend you all for for not overspending and having a nice little surplus. Where's the pizza party? No. I'm just playing, for the record.","topics_json":"[\"budget\"]","vector_id":"vec_seg_100526_385","created_at":"2026-10-31T05:56:41Z","speaker_name":null},{"id":"seg_100526_386","meeting_id":"100526","media_asset_id":"med_100526_3319ac8e60c7bdb0","agenda_item_id":null,"speaker_id":"spk_100526_chair","speaker_confidence":0.9,"start_sec":5098.3,"end_sec":5111.9,"text":"Okay. Um, I call it old business. We want to bring in our new commissioner, Mr. Jordan Spencer.","topics_json":"[]","vector_id":"vec_seg_100526_386","created_at":"2026-10-31T05:56:41Z","speaker_name":null},{"id":"seg_100526_387","meeting_id":"100526","media_asset_id":"med_100526_3319ac8e60c7bdb0","agenda_item_id":null,"speaker_id":"spk_100526_female_speaker","speaker_confidence":0.85,"start_sec":5111.91,"end_sec":5115.14,"text":"Please, my apologies for that. But the moneys that are left over from the budget, where does that go?","topics_json":"[\"budget\"]","vector_id":"vec_seg_100526_387","created_at":"2026-10-31T05:56:41Z","speaker_name":null},{"id":"seg_100526_388","meeting_id":"100526","media_asset_id":"med_100526_3319ac8e60c7bdb0","agenda_item_id":null,"speaker_id":"spk_100526_male_speaker","speaker_confidence":0.85,"start_sec":5115.14,"end_sec":5118.31,"text":"Um, it's been rolled over because we're in a we're in a new fiscal year.","topics_json":"[\"budget\"]","vector_id":"vec_seg_100526_388","created_at":"2026-10-31T05:56:41Z","speaker_name":null},{"id":"seg_100526_389","meeting_id":"100526","media_asset_id":"med_100526_3319ac8e60c7bdb0","agenda_item_id":null,"speaker_id":"spk_100526_female_speaker","speaker_confidence":0.85,"start_sec":5118.31,"end_sec":5120.91,"text":"Okay. Because we're not nonprofit, so it does roll over. 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We're back at I believe we're back at our our normal line, which is 3,000. And in the anticipation of um spending funds for our new commissioner, his his business cards as well as his um shirt for the commission.","topics_json":"[\"budget\"]","vector_id":"vec_seg_100526_392","created_at":"2026-10-31T05:56:41Z","speaker_name":null},{"id":"seg_100526_393","meeting_id":"100526","media_asset_id":"med_100526_3319ac8e60c7bdb0","agenda_item_id":null,"speaker_id":"spk_100526_female_speaker","speaker_confidence":0.85,"start_sec":5135.32,"end_sec":5175.19,"text":"Okay. All right. So when when you mention in your uh, can I can I say something? Okay, when you mentioned in your um last um report on Monday, and that we could go out, that we maybe could go out with the young lady with the lemonade stand. 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So, so when we come back in August on our next meeting, we're going to make the decision if we want to vend at that event at that particular time. And the I'll have the actual date, but that event will also be It It will probably be the last Saturday in August.","topics_json":"[\"budget\"]","vector_id":"vec_seg_100526_398","created_at":"2026-10-31T05:56:41Z","speaker_name":null},{"id":"seg_100526_399","meeting_id":"100526","media_asset_id":"med_100526_3319ac8e60c7bdb0","agenda_item_id":null,"speaker_id":"spk_100526_female_speaker","speaker_confidence":0.85,"start_sec":5246.05,"end_sec":5253.5,"text":"When we have the When we have the event, can we have another um um organization uh accompany us or it just has to be Dover Human Relations?","topics_json":"[]","vector_id":"vec_seg_100526_399","created_at":"2026-10-31T05:56:41Z","speaker_name":null},{"id":"seg_100526_4","meeting_id":"100526","media_asset_id":"med_100526_3319ac8e60c7bdb0","agenda_item_id":null,"speaker_id":"spk_100526_chair","speaker_confidence":0.9,"start_sec":66.21,"end_sec":83.17,"text":"Matter of fact, we can put the sign-in sheet up on the podium, and as you come up you can sign your name, and and tell us you know state your name for the record, and um and then make your comments. 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Um back to old business.","topics_json":"[]","vector_id":"vec_seg_100526_406","created_at":"2026-10-31T05:56:41Z","speaker_name":null},{"id":"seg_100526_407","meeting_id":"100526","media_asset_id":"med_100526_3319ac8e60c7bdb0","agenda_item_id":null,"speaker_id":"spk_100526_female_speaker","speaker_confidence":0.85,"start_sec":5270.51,"end_sec":5271.51,"text":"Yes, sir.","topics_json":"[]","vector_id":"vec_seg_100526_407","created_at":"2026-10-31T05:56:41Z","speaker_name":null},{"id":"seg_100526_408","meeting_id":"100526","media_asset_id":"med_100526_3319ac8e60c7bdb0","agenda_item_id":null,"speaker_id":"spk_100526_male_speaker","speaker_confidence":0.85,"start_sec":5271.51,"end_sec":5272.38,"text":"Commissioner.","topics_json":"[]","vector_id":"vec_seg_100526_408","created_at":"2026-10-31T05:56:41Z","speaker_name":null},{"id":"seg_100526_409","meeting_id":"100526","media_asset_id":"med_100526_3319ac8e60c7bdb0","agenda_item_id":null,"speaker_id":"spk_100526_jordan_spencer","speaker_confidence":0.95,"start_sec":5272.38,"end_sec":5308.52,"text":"So again, Jordan Spencer, uh at-large commissioner. I am a homeowner here in Dover, Delaware. Uh again, I went to Delaware State University, got my undergraduate degree in forensic biology and I got my master's degree in public administration. Little bit about myself. Uh after I graduated, I did work at Delaware State University, so I was in the the alumni-","topics_json":"[]","vector_id":"vec_seg_100526_409","created_at":"2026-10-31T05:56:41Z","speaker_name":"Jordan Spencer"},{"id":"seg_100526_41","meeting_id":"100526","media_asset_id":"med_100526_3319ac8e60c7bdb0","agenda_item_id":null,"speaker_id":"spk_100526_chunk4_speaker_1","speaker_confidence":0.9,"start_sec":676.84,"end_sec":702.34,"text":"But you can see them police sitting over there where the old college used to be, in that open area, or you can see them back there sitting and hiding in the water area I guess that's where they do the trash you know, where they do the trash recycling or whatever, back there in that corner behind the school. They're probably hanging back there asleep, cuz you sure ain't coming on my street to get a Dunkin' Donut, cuz there ain't none on here.","topics_json":"[\"public_safety\"]","vector_id":"vec_seg_100526_41","created_at":"2026-10-31T05:56:40Z","speaker_name":null},{"id":"seg_100526_410","meeting_id":"100526","media_asset_id":"med_100526_3319ac8e60c7bdb0","agenda_item_id":null,"speaker_id":"spk_100526_commissioner_spencer","speaker_confidence":0.95,"start_sec":5308.52,"end_sec":5382.73,"text":"nomination's office, then from there I helped to get uh then Congresswoman uh Blunt Rochester elected to the US Senate. And then now currently I am with the New Castle County Chamber of Commerce as the senior manager of community engagement. Uh I would say I'm a jack of all trades, if you will. Um I've been in the community for a while now, uh as an undergraduate student and now as a full-time adult. I'm also involved with the Zeta Rho Lambda chapter of Alpha Phi Alpha Fraternity, Incorporated. I'm the ambassador for the Racial Equity Consortium which is uh signed into law through the uh 100 151st General Assembly House Bill 375, so we advocate for black and brown and all communities in the state of Delaware and we are funded through the General Assembly each fiscal year. So, with all of that being said, as I mentioned earlier, I am big on collaboration. Uh as a 25-year-old, I again I see the value in what the capital can be, what Delaware can be. So, as a point guard, I don't know who plays sports, basketball, football, so point guard, quarterback, whatever I can do to assist or to connect uh individuals in the community to help you guys out, I am open, I I'm here to help, and I'm here to stay. So, thank you for the time and I look forward to continuing to work with everybody.","topics_json":"[]","vector_id":"vec_seg_100526_410","created_at":"2026-10-31T05:56:41Z","speaker_name":"Commissioner Spencer"},{"id":"seg_100526_411","meeting_id":"100526","media_asset_id":"med_100526_3319ac8e60c7bdb0","agenda_item_id":null,"speaker_id":"off_roy_sudler_jr","speaker_confidence":0.95,"start_sec":5382.73,"end_sec":5389.75,"text":"Thank you, Commissioner Spencer. Um, do we have any other uh comments regarding old business? Old business.","topics_json":"[]","vector_id":"vec_seg_100526_411","created_at":"2026-10-31T05:56:41Z","speaker_name":"Roy Sudler, Jr."},{"id":"seg_100526_412","meeting_id":"100526","media_asset_id":"med_100526_3319ac8e60c7bdb0","agenda_item_id":null,"speaker_id":"spk_100526_commissioner","speaker_confidence":0.8,"start_sec":5390.18,"end_sec":5397.01,"text":"Chair Sudler, you can find the annual report online, and I call it old business cuz it's old now.","topics_json":"[]","vector_id":"vec_seg_100526_412","created_at":"2026-10-31T05:56:41Z","speaker_name":null},{"id":"seg_100526_413","meeting_id":"100526","media_asset_id":"med_100526_3319ac8e60c7bdb0","agenda_item_id":null,"speaker_id":"off_roy_sudler_jr","speaker_confidence":0.95,"start_sec":5397.63,"end_sec":5441.1,"text":"Any new business? Any new business? Anybody want to bring anything forward for new business? Our next meeting date again will be August 18th, and then after August 18th, we will meet again in September. Okay? September is our regular schedule. All right. Okay. Commissioner Spencer.","topics_json":"[]","vector_id":"vec_seg_100526_413","created_at":"2026-10-31T05:56:41Z","speaker_name":"Roy Sudler, Jr."},{"id":"seg_100526_414","meeting_id":"100526","media_asset_id":"med_100526_3319ac8e60c7bdb0","agenda_item_id":null,"speaker_id":"spk_100526_commissioner_spencer","speaker_confidence":0.95,"start_sec":5441.41,"end_sec":5448.74,"text":"And I will have some new business. I have some pending projects uh that is greatly going to assist the city of Dover, so I would be happy to share that. Hopefully, they will be into fruition by August, so stay tuned.","topics_json":"[]","vector_id":"vec_seg_100526_414","created_at":"2026-10-31T05:56:41Z","speaker_name":"Commissioner Spencer"},{"id":"seg_100526_415","meeting_id":"100526","media_asset_id":"med_100526_3319ac8e60c7bdb0","agenda_item_id":null,"speaker_id":"off_roy_sudler_jr","speaker_confidence":0.95,"start_sec":5449.18,"end_sec":5460.36,"text":"Okay. And we will have um, please do not forget, so our comments from our public comments, don't let us leave without us seeing you. We're going to adjourn this meeting, but we'll still be here for you.","topics_json":"[]","vector_id":"vec_seg_100526_415","created_at":"2026-10-31T05:56:41Z","speaker_name":"Roy Sudler, Jr."},{"id":"seg_100526_416","meeting_id":"100526","media_asset_id":"med_100526_3319ac8e60c7bdb0","agenda_item_id":null,"speaker_id":"spk_100526_public_commenter","speaker_confidence":0.75,"start_sec":5460.67,"end_sec":5461.6,"text":"Right.","topics_json":"[]","vector_id":"vec_seg_100526_416","created_at":"2026-10-31T05:56:41Z","speaker_name":null},{"id":"seg_100526_417","meeting_id":"100526","media_asset_id":"med_100526_3319ac8e60c7bdb0","agenda_item_id":null,"speaker_id":"spk_100526_commissioner","speaker_confidence":0.8,"start_sec":5461.91,"end_sec":5464.08,"text":"Mm-mm, Miss Bonnie, we know where to find you.","topics_json":"[]","vector_id":"vec_seg_100526_417","created_at":"2026-10-31T05:56:41Z","speaker_name":null},{"id":"seg_100526_418","meeting_id":"100526","media_asset_id":"med_100526_3319ac8e60c7bdb0","agenda_item_id":null,"speaker_id":"off_roy_sudler_jr","speaker_confidence":0.95,"start_sec":5464.39,"end_sec":5495.13,"text":"All right, I'll make a motion to ad- I mean, I'll I'll I'll entertain a motion for us to adjourn.","topics_json":"[]","vector_id":"vec_seg_100526_418","created_at":"2026-10-31T05:56:41Z","speaker_name":"Roy Sudler, Jr."},{"id":"seg_100526_419","meeting_id":"100526","media_asset_id":"med_100526_3319ac8e60c7bdb0","agenda_item_id":null,"speaker_id":"spk_100526_commissioner","speaker_confidence":0.8,"start_sec":5495.44,"end_sec":5496.56,"text":"I make a motion for adjournment.","topics_json":"[]","vector_id":"vec_seg_100526_419","created_at":"2026-10-31T05:56:41Z","speaker_name":null},{"id":"seg_100526_42","meeting_id":"100526","media_asset_id":"med_100526_3319ac8e60c7bdb0","agenda_item_id":null,"speaker_id":"spk_100526_chunk4_speaker_1","speaker_confidence":0.9,"start_sec":702.34,"end_sec":714.74,"text":"It's ridiculous. 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It is now 3:37, it is now 3:37. Um, we have staff recommendation for denial of appeals based on--","topics_json":"[]","vector_id":"vec_seg_100543_43","created_at":"2026-10-31T05:58:01Z","speaker_name":"Roy Sudler, Jr."},{"id":"seg_100543_44","meeting_id":"100543","media_asset_id":"med_100543_e09324249e14025f","agenda_item_id":null,"speaker_id":"off_roy_sudler_jr","speaker_confidence":0.95,"start_sec":428.08,"end_sec":444.58,"text":"one no-show, no call, and the fact that he's been properly, Mr. Ying Chiu has been properly notified via certified, or via mail. 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Thank you.","topics_json":"[]","vector_id":"vec_seg_100543_53","created_at":"2026-10-31T05:58:01Z","speaker_name":"Roy Sudler, Jr."},{"id":"seg_100543_54","meeting_id":"100543","media_asset_id":"med_100543_e09324249e14025f","agenda_item_id":null,"speaker_id":"spk_100543_chair","speaker_confidence":0.9,"start_sec":535.1,"end_sec":538.8,"text":"Thank you very much. Uh, Ms. Mann, are there any further questions?","topics_json":"[]","vector_id":"vec_seg_100543_54","created_at":"2026-10-31T05:58:01Z","speaker_name":null},{"id":"seg_100543_55","meeting_id":"100543","media_asset_id":"med_100543_e09324249e14025f","agenda_item_id":null,"speaker_id":"spk_100543_ms_mann","speaker_confidence":0.9,"start_sec":539,"end_sec":588.1,"text":"Um, I I do. Is it possible—I know certified mail does cost a little bit, but um just to verify that he actually received the letter like we did at one particular time trying to get him to at least respond? 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Kopp did say that he still has not had the inspec—","topics_json":"[\"housing\"]","vector_id":"vec_seg_100543_59","created_at":"2026-10-31T05:58:01Z","speaker_name":"Ms. Mann"},{"id":"seg_100543_6","meeting_id":"100543","media_asset_id":"med_100543_e09324249e14025f","agenda_item_id":null,"speaker_id":"off_fred_a_neil","speaker_confidence":0.9,"start_sec":25.5,"end_sec":26.5,"text":"Aye.","topics_json":"[]","vector_id":"vec_seg_100543_6","created_at":"2026-10-31T05:58:01Z","speaker_name":"Fred A. Neil"},{"id":"seg_100543_60","meeting_id":"100543","media_asset_id":"med_100543_e09324249e14025f","agenda_item_id":null,"speaker_id":"spk_100543_ms_maule","speaker_confidence":0.85,"start_sec":642.12,"end_sec":775.14,"text":"question. Is there any way to, um, since he is responsible for scheduling it, um, have we called to say, \"Look, uh, you still have to have this property inspected or whoever is residing in this property, um, is not able to to be in this property until it had it has followed through with its full inspection?\" Cuz if if something may happen, whoever is in that residence could either get hurt or or put expenses out of their own pocket that is not, you know, their responsibility, it's the owner of the property who needs to have this stuff done. So, is there, how are we going to that go about, you know, contacting them to say, \"Look, we contacted you once, twice, third time. We had an appeal. It still needs to be inspected. You know, we we are reaching out now to you again by phone and saying, 'Look, this this is when we're going to show up at this property, and you have to make sure that you are present at this time.'\" And without any doubt of giving him any alternative of, \"Oh, what day are you good? What day what time are you good?\" It has to be like, you know, mandated of, \"We're going to be here on this day. If you are not here, then we are revoking what we have to revoke as code enforcement or or the city or whoever needs to invoke what needs to be invoked, along with the additional fines for the amount of time it takes him to schedule that inspection.\"","topics_json":"[\"housing\",\"public_safety\"]","vector_id":"vec_seg_100543_60","created_at":"2026-10-31T05:58:01Z","speaker_name":"Ms. Maule"},{"id":"seg_100543_61","meeting_id":"100543","media_asset_id":"med_100543_e09324249e14025f","agenda_item_id":null,"speaker_id":"off_andre_m_boggerty","speaker_confidence":0.85,"start_sec":775.14,"end_sec":787.57,"text":"Uh thank you, Ms. Maule, for your question. I think at this point we've done all we could do, and I think the next step, if I'm not mistaken, uh would be either would it be condemning the unit or or","topics_json":"[\"housing\"]","vector_id":"vec_seg_100543_61","created_at":"2026-10-31T05:58:01Z","speaker_name":"Andre M. 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Um, and then in reference to the phone call, phone call is hearsay, and it would be hearsay if this matter went to a court of law, which is why we must send everything, um, via first class and certified mail, it's tangible, there's proof of it. Um, I I get the good-faith effort with, um, with the phone call, but when it comes down to consistency with the average of 5,000 cases a year that we do, we would have to call every single person, um, to be consistent with that, and it's just not possible. 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But to place a time, since he's not calling to make a time, to give him a time of when","topics_json":"[\"housing\"]","vector_id":"vec_seg_100543_66","created_at":"2026-10-31T05:58:01Z","speaker_name":"Ms. Mann"},{"id":"seg_100543_67","meeting_id":"100543","media_asset_id":"med_100543_e09324249e14025f","agenda_item_id":null,"speaker_id":"spk_100543_audience_member","speaker_confidence":0.85,"start_sec":856.16,"end_sec":858.86,"text":"and you guys are going to be present at that at that moment.","topics_json":"[]","vector_id":"vec_seg_100543_67","created_at":"2026-10-31T05:58:01Z","speaker_name":null},{"id":"seg_100543_68","meeting_id":"100543","media_asset_id":"med_100543_e09324249e14025f","agenda_item_id":null,"speaker_id":"spk_100543_city_staff","speaker_confidence":0.9,"start_sec":859.56,"end_sec":883.96,"text":"Again we can only do what's in accordance with code that would be in violation of landlord-tenant code which is covered by state law. We have no enforcement mechanism to enforce Delaware State Law nor can we violate the Delaware State Law or violate landlord-tenant code as the city of Dover code official. We must follow the written ordinances and laws and we can't veer away from that.","topics_json":"[\"housing\",\"zoning\"]","vector_id":"vec_seg_100543_68","created_at":"2026-10-31T05:58:01Z","speaker_name":null},{"id":"seg_100543_69","meeting_id":"100543","media_asset_id":"med_100543_e09324249e14025f","agenda_item_id":null,"speaker_id":"off_andre_m_boggerty","speaker_confidence":0.85,"start_sec":884.36,"end_sec":886.66,"text":"So that's not that's not permissible. Yeah.","topics_json":"[]","vector_id":"vec_seg_100543_69","created_at":"2026-10-31T05:58:01Z","speaker_name":"Andre M. Boggerty"},{"id":"seg_100543_7","meeting_id":"100543","media_asset_id":"med_100543_e09324249e14025f","agenda_item_id":null,"speaker_id":"off_roy_sudler_jr","speaker_confidence":0.95,"start_sec":26.5,"end_sec":28.5,"text":"Those opposed, please state by saying nay.","topics_json":"[]","vector_id":"vec_seg_100543_7","created_at":"2026-10-31T05:58:01Z","speaker_name":"Roy Sudler, Jr."},{"id":"seg_100543_70","meeting_id":"100543","media_asset_id":"med_100543_e09324249e14025f","agenda_item_id":null,"speaker_id":"spk_100543_city_staff","speaker_confidence":0.9,"start_sec":887.16,"end_sec":890.36,"text":"We can't do that. 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It does.","topics_json":"[]","vector_id":"vec_seg_100543_73","created_at":"2026-10-31T05:58:01Z","speaker_name":null},{"id":"seg_100543_74","meeting_id":"100543","media_asset_id":"med_100543_e09324249e14025f","agenda_item_id":null,"speaker_id":"spk_100543_chairperson","speaker_confidence":0.85,"start_sec":896.66,"end_sec":912.76,"text":"Okay. Any other other questions? Hearing none, all those in favor please say by saying aye. Aye. Those opposed, please say by saying nay. It's been unanimously adopted, the the ayes have it.","topics_json":"[]","vector_id":"vec_seg_100543_74","created_at":"2026-10-31T05:58:01Z","speaker_name":null},{"id":"seg_100543_75","meeting_id":"100543","media_asset_id":"med_100543_e09324249e14025f","agenda_item_id":null,"speaker_id":"spk_100543_chairperson","speaker_confidence":0.85,"start_sec":912.96,"end_sec":961.86,"text":"Okay, if any further business of the Code Board of Appeals? Seeing seeing there's no further business. Yes?","topics_json":"[]","vector_id":"vec_seg_100543_75","created_at":"2026-10-31T05:58:01Z","speaker_name":null},{"id":"seg_100543_76","meeting_id":"100543","media_asset_id":"med_100543_e09324249e14025f","agenda_item_id":null,"speaker_id":"spk_100543_audience_member_2","speaker_confidence":0.85,"start_sec":961.96,"end_sec":963.16,"text":"I just have one question.","topics_json":"[]","vector_id":"vec_seg_100543_76","created_at":"2026-10-31T05:58:01Z","speaker_name":null},{"id":"seg_100543_77","meeting_id":"100543","media_asset_id":"med_100543_e09324249e14025f","agenda_item_id":null,"speaker_id":"spk_100543_city_staff","speaker_confidence":0.9,"start_sec":963.18,"end_sec":988.58,"text":"repair. That would be a that would be a direct violation of landlord-tenant code. Um so we can send notice, and that's why we send an inspection request. That way it takes us completely out of any issue with landlord-tenant code. It's the owner's responsibility to schedule the inspection. Therefore, if he doesn't notify his tenant of said inspection, it's not us. It's it's solely on the owner and we're not in breach of any um state law or regulation.","topics_json":"[\"housing\",\"zoning\"]","vector_id":"vec_seg_100543_77","created_at":"2026-10-31T05:58:01Z","speaker_name":null},{"id":"seg_100543_78","meeting_id":"100543","media_asset_id":"med_100543_e09324249e14025f","agenda_item_id":null,"speaker_id":"spk_100543_mary_anne","speaker_confidence":0.9,"start_sec":988.58,"end_sec":991.78,"text":"But my question is, I don't see an end point.","topics_json":"[\"housing\",\"zoning\"]","vector_id":"vec_seg_100543_78","created_at":"2026-10-31T05:58:01Z","speaker_name":"Mary Anne"},{"id":"seg_100543_79","meeting_id":"100543","media_asset_id":"med_100543_e09324249e14025f","agenda_item_id":null,"speaker_id":"off_andre_m_boggerty","speaker_confidence":0.85,"start_sec":991.78,"end_sec":1069.08,"text":"I can I can probably, so I I can I can address that, Mary Anne. And you can correct me if I'm wrong. I think the end point is after a certain period of citations, let's say they have reached $5,000 of citations. The city can say, okay, we want to collect our $5,000. They send out a notice, if you don't pay this $5,000 within a certain time period, we're going to put a lien on your property. If you don't pay that $5,000 and the lien within that certain period of time, now your property is going up to the sheriff sale. That's would most likely be that end point and they'll be like, oh, you're not going to Am I Am I wrong?","topics_json":"[\"housing\",\"taxes\",\"zoning\"]","vector_id":"vec_seg_100543_79","created_at":"2026-10-31T05:58:01Z","speaker_name":"Andre M. Boggerty"},{"id":"seg_100543_8","meeting_id":"100543","media_asset_id":"med_100543_e09324249e14025f","agenda_item_id":null,"speaker_id":"off_roy_sudler_jr","speaker_confidence":0.95,"start_sec":29.3,"end_sec":33.2,"text":"All right. Motion has been unanimously adopted.","topics_json":"[]","vector_id":"vec_seg_100543_8","created_at":"2026-10-31T05:58:01Z","speaker_name":"Roy Sudler, Jr."},{"id":"seg_100543_80","meeting_id":"100543","media_asset_id":"med_100543_e09324249e14025f","agenda_item_id":null,"speaker_id":"spk_100543_city_staff","speaker_confidence":0.9,"start_sec":1069.08,"end_sec":1073.98,"text":"That would be ideal, that that would be forthcoming. Um it's not that way now.","topics_json":"[\"housing\",\"zoning\"]","vector_id":"vec_seg_100543_80","created_at":"2026-10-31T05:58:01Z","speaker_name":null},{"id":"seg_100543_81","meeting_id":"100543","media_asset_id":"med_100543_e09324249e14025f","agenda_item_id":null,"speaker_id":"off_andre_m_boggerty","speaker_confidence":0.85,"start_sec":1073.98,"end_sec":1075.68,"text":"Oh, it's not? I know it used to be that way.","topics_json":"[\"housing\",\"zoning\"]","vector_id":"vec_seg_100543_81","created_at":"2026-10-31T05:58:01Z","speaker_name":"Andre M. 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I mean, it sounds like you don't really have any end point.","topics_json":"[\"housing\",\"zoning\"]","vector_id":"vec_seg_100543_83","created_at":"2026-10-31T05:58:01Z","speaker_name":"Mary Anne"},{"id":"seg_100543_84","meeting_id":"100543","media_asset_id":"med_100543_e09324249e14025f","agenda_item_id":null,"speaker_id":"spk_100543_city_staff","speaker_confidence":0.9,"start_sec":1086.78,"end_sec":1089.88,"text":"No, we just issue citations till they schedule.","topics_json":"[\"housing\",\"zoning\"]","vector_id":"vec_seg_100543_84","created_at":"2026-10-31T05:58:01Z","speaker_name":null},{"id":"seg_100543_85","meeting_id":"100543","media_asset_id":"med_100543_e09324249e14025f","agenda_item_id":null,"speaker_id":"off_andre_m_boggerty","speaker_confidence":0.85,"start_sec":1089.88,"end_sec":1099.48,"text":"Would Would that Okay, would that amount ever accrue? Um would that be Wouldn't that be added to their their taxes? Their property-- No, not even with that?","topics_json":"[\"taxes\",\"housing\"]","vector_id":"vec_seg_100543_85","created_at":"2026-10-31T05:58:01Z","speaker_name":"Andre M. Boggerty"},{"id":"seg_100543_86","meeting_id":"100543","media_asset_id":"med_100543_e09324249e14025f","agenda_item_id":null,"speaker_id":"spk_100543_city_staff","speaker_confidence":0.9,"start_sec":1099.48,"end_sec":1101.98,"text":"Not the way the code is written now.","topics_json":"[\"housing\",\"taxes\"]","vector_id":"vec_seg_100543_86","created_at":"2026-10-31T05:58:01Z","speaker_name":null},{"id":"seg_100543_87","meeting_id":"100543","media_asset_id":"med_100543_e09324249e14025f","agenda_item_id":null,"speaker_id":"off_andre_m_boggerty","speaker_confidence":0.85,"start_sec":1103.68,"end_sec":1106.38,"text":"Okay, we definitely need to work on that then.","topics_json":"[\"housing\",\"zoning\"]","vector_id":"vec_seg_100543_87","created_at":"2026-10-31T05:58:01Z","speaker_name":"Andre M. 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Boggerty"},{"id":"seg_100543_9","meeting_id":"100543","media_asset_id":"med_100543_e09324249e14025f","agenda_item_id":null,"speaker_id":"off_roy_sudler_jr","speaker_confidence":0.95,"start_sec":33.7,"end_sec":102,"text":"Item number 1, the Dover Code Ordinance Violation 2009, 2009 International Property Maintenance Code Chapter 22, Building and Building Regulations, Article 10, Rental Dwellings, Division 1, Generally, Section 22-332, Inspection Required. Appeal of citation and related fines, 172 Stony Drive, Ying Chu.","topics_json":"[\"housing\",\"zoning\"]","vector_id":"vec_seg_100543_9","created_at":"2026-10-31T05:58:01Z","speaker_name":"Roy Sudler, Jr."},{"id":"seg_100543_90","meeting_id":"100543","media_asset_id":"med_100543_e09324249e14025f","agenda_item_id":null,"speaker_id":"off_roy_sudler_jr","speaker_confidence":0.95,"start_sec":1070.21,"end_sec":1078.21,"text":"when I said we need to get all these discrepancies that we're learning from these cases to compile a new plan of action and also some training.","topics_json":"[\"zoning\",\"housing\"]","vector_id":"vec_seg_100543_90","created_at":"2026-10-31T05:58:01Z","speaker_name":"Roy Sudler, Jr."},{"id":"seg_100543_91","meeting_id":"100543","media_asset_id":"med_100543_e09324249e14025f","agenda_item_id":null,"speaker_id":"off_gerald_l_rocha_sr","speaker_confidence":0.7,"start_sec":1078.21,"end_sec":1080.71,"text":"Code enforcement. Right, right.","topics_json":"[]","vector_id":"vec_seg_100543_91","created_at":"2026-10-31T05:58:01Z","speaker_name":"Gerald L. Rocha, Sr."},{"id":"seg_100543_92","meeting_id":"100543","media_asset_id":"med_100543_e09324249e14025f","agenda_item_id":null,"speaker_id":"off_gerald_l_rocha_sr","speaker_confidence":0.8,"start_sec":1080.71,"end_sec":1083.71,"text":"Did you want to discuss that at all on the record?","topics_json":"[]","vector_id":"vec_seg_100543_92","created_at":"2026-10-31T05:58:01Z","speaker_name":"Gerald L. Rocha, Sr."},{"id":"seg_100543_93","meeting_id":"100543","media_asset_id":"med_100543_e09324249e14025f","agenda_item_id":null,"speaker_id":"off_roy_sudler_jr","speaker_confidence":0.95,"start_sec":1083.71,"end_sec":1123.71,"text":"Well, I just wanted to let everyone know that currently, I'm reviewing the cases and a lot of the discrepancies. Madam Clerk Wheeler has been gracious enough to compile that so that we as a committee can go over it with Code Enforcement and figure out some new strategies for additional best practices in which we have now to add to the practices that we have now. So that would be forthcoming and I'm looking for doing something like that maybe September, mid-September. So basically that's so I'm not gonna hold anyone hold everyone up now since we have a little time we can just but that's forthcoming. Thank you, Ms. Wheeler, for compiling that information.","topics_json":"[\"zoning\",\"housing\"]","vector_id":"vec_seg_100543_93","created_at":"2026-10-31T05:58:01Z","speaker_name":"Roy Sudler, Jr."},{"id":"seg_100543_94","meeting_id":"100543","media_asset_id":"med_100543_e09324249e14025f","agenda_item_id":null,"speaker_id":"off_roy_sudler_jr","speaker_confidence":0.95,"start_sec":1123.71,"end_sec":1133.51,"text":"Okay. Is there any further business? Okay, everyone. Thank you very much everyone for being here. Ms. May? Yes, yes, ma'am.","topics_json":"[]","vector_id":"vec_seg_100543_94","created_at":"2026-10-31T05:58:01Z","speaker_name":"Roy Sudler, Jr."},{"id":"seg_100543_95","meeting_id":"100543","media_asset_id":"med_100543_e09324249e14025f","agenda_item_id":null,"speaker_id":"spk_100543_tisha_may","speaker_confidence":0.9,"start_sec":1133.51,"end_sec":1177.21,"text":"I did have one more question to feed off Ms. Pillsbury's, when she said is this ever going to end? Well, the end point you said would be, you know, taking it further and then the end point would be sheriff sale. Well, in the process of the sheriff sale, and the resident is still in the tenant is still living in the property, then you'd be kicking the tenant out of the property in order to sell it under sheriff sale. 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So then I sent them a fourth notice and a third citation, which was $300, and they were given until December 3rd.","topics_json":"[\"housing\",\"zoning\"]","vector_id":"vec_seg_100637_207","created_at":"2026-10-31T06:05:55Z","speaker_name":null},{"id":"seg_100637_208","meeting_id":"100637","media_asset_id":"med_100637_3304ff86adf702dc","agenda_item_id":null,"speaker_id":"spk_100637_city_staff","speaker_confidence":0.9,"start_sec":1446.54,"end_sec":1536.54,"text":"December 3rd, there was another extension given until January 5th. January 5th, the prop- and I rode by around 9:30. The property remains in violation. So I sent another notice and a fourth citation, which was $500. They were given until February to come into compliance. They didn't come into compliance. As I rode by on the 6th of February, 10:20, the property the property remains in violation. And we sent I sent a sixth notice and a fifth citation, which was $1,000. And then March came around. It was the same. So, March, April, May, June, it was the same. The property is still in violation today.","topics_json":"[\"housing\",\"zoning\"]","vector_id":"vec_seg_100637_208","created_at":"2026-10-31T06:05:55Z","speaker_name":null},{"id":"seg_100637_209","meeting_id":"100637","media_asset_id":"med_100637_3304ff86adf702dc","agenda_item_id":null,"speaker_id":"spk_100637_board_member","speaker_confidence":0.8,"start_sec":1536.54,"end_sec":1538.14,"text":"When are when is the latest pictures taken?","topics_json":"[\"housing\",\"zoning\"]","vector_id":"vec_seg_100637_209","created_at":"2026-10-31T06:05:55Z","speaker_name":null},{"id":"seg_100637_21","meeting_id":"100637","media_asset_id":"med_100637_3304ff86adf702dc","agenda_item_id":null,"speaker_id":"off_roy_sudler_jr","speaker_confidence":0.9,"start_sec":269.02,"end_sec":274.52,"text":"So the issue So uh Code Enforcement, are we solely basing this off of utility usage?","topics_json":"[\"housing\"]","vector_id":"vec_seg_100637_21","created_at":"2026-10-31T06:05:54Z","speaker_name":"Roy Sudler, Jr."},{"id":"seg_100637_210","meeting_id":"100637","media_asset_id":"med_100637_3304ff86adf702dc","agenda_item_id":null,"speaker_id":"spk_100637_code_enforcement_officer","speaker_confidence":0.9,"start_sec":1498.15,"end_sec":1504.07,"text":"So I actually took pictures today. I just, um, I went to print them out. They didn't print out for some reason.","topics_json":"[]","vector_id":"vec_seg_100637_210","created_at":"2026-10-31T06:05:55Z","speaker_name":null},{"id":"seg_100637_211","meeting_id":"100637","media_asset_id":"med_100637_3304ff86adf702dc","agenda_item_id":null,"speaker_id":"spk_100637_board_member","speaker_confidence":0.85,"start_sec":1504.35,"end_sec":1507.53,"text":"What what the by your good faith, is it still in that condition?","topics_json":"[]","vector_id":"vec_seg_100637_211","created_at":"2026-10-31T06:05:55Z","speaker_name":null},{"id":"seg_100637_212","meeting_id":"100637","media_asset_id":"med_100637_3304ff86adf702dc","agenda_item_id":null,"speaker_id":"spk_100637_code_enforcement_officer","speaker_confidence":0.9,"start_sec":1507.57,"end_sec":1522.53,"text":"Yes, there's still an a dismantled engine in the driveway. Like that picture right there is still the same. And, yeah, there's still debris on the side of this the garage. 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I pointed out the stuff in the driveway, the stuff on the side of the house.","topics_json":"[]","vector_id":"vec_seg_100637_225","created_at":"2026-10-31T06:05:55Z","speaker_name":null},{"id":"seg_100637_226","meeting_id":"100637","media_asset_id":"med_100637_3304ff86adf702dc","agenda_item_id":null,"speaker_id":"spk_100637_appellant","speaker_confidence":0.9,"start_sec":1587.55,"end_sec":1605.15,"text":"Yeah, yeah, we did meet, but I don't remember me agreeing that that the stuff you were pointing out was trash. The discussion I remember us having was me explaining to you that this is not trash. This is stuff that we're going to use. It is it has it is intended for a purpose. It's it's going to be going, and I mean that's a shower enclosure that's going in our shower upstairs.","topics_json":"[\"housing\"]","vector_id":"vec_seg_100637_226","created_at":"2026-10-31T06:05:55Z","speaker_name":null},{"id":"seg_100637_227","meeting_id":"100637","media_asset_id":"med_100637_3304ff86adf702dc","agenda_item_id":null,"speaker_id":"spk_100637_appellant","speaker_confidence":0.9,"start_sec":1605.16,"end_sec":1607.7,"text":"That's my son's bicycle and my bicycle.","topics_json":"[]","vector_id":"vec_seg_100637_227","created_at":"2026-10-31T06:05:55Z","speaker_name":null},{"id":"seg_100637_228","meeting_id":"100637","media_asset_id":"med_100637_3304ff86adf702dc","agenda_item_id":null,"speaker_id":"spk_100637_city_inspector","speaker_confidence":0.85,"start_sec":1607.7,"end_sec":1614.56,"text":"It wasn't So that I mean explain it to you, right? 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So right now we're on item number three, and the fine is a thousand dollars.","topics_json":"[]","vector_id":"vec_seg_100637_326","created_at":"2026-10-31T06:05:55Z","speaker_name":"Roy Sudler, Jr."},{"id":"seg_100637_327","meeting_id":"100637","media_asset_id":"med_100637_3304ff86adf702dc","agenda_item_id":null,"speaker_id":"spk_100637_city_staff","speaker_confidence":0.8,"start_sec":2121.7,"end_sec":2122.4,"text":"Right.","topics_json":"[]","vector_id":"vec_seg_100637_327","created_at":"2026-10-31T06:05:55Z","speaker_name":null},{"id":"seg_100637_328","meeting_id":"100637","media_asset_id":"med_100637_3304ff86adf702dc","agenda_item_id":null,"speaker_id":"off_roy_sudler_jr","speaker_confidence":0.95,"start_sec":2122.4,"end_sec":2123.9,"text":"So what is the pleasure of the Board?","topics_json":"[]","vector_id":"vec_seg_100637_328","created_at":"2026-10-31T06:05:55Z","speaker_name":"Roy Sudler, Jr."},{"id":"seg_100637_329","meeting_id":"100637","media_asset_id":"med_100637_3304ff86adf702dc","agenda_item_id":null,"speaker_id":"spk_100637_board_member","speaker_confidence":0.6,"start_sec":2124.2,"end_sec":2126.7,"text":"I move to deny the appeal.","topics_json":"[]","vector_id":"vec_seg_100637_329","created_at":"2026-10-31T06:05:55Z","speaker_name":null},{"id":"seg_100637_33","meeting_id":"100637","media_asset_id":"med_100637_3304ff86adf702dc","agenda_item_id":null,"speaker_id":"spk_100637_female_speaker","speaker_confidence":0.9,"start_sec":328.43,"end_sec":334.93,"text":"Um, I am, I don't use my water the way I should. I do not drink it. I have never drank this water.","topics_json":"[]","vector_id":"vec_seg_100637_33","created_at":"2026-10-31T06:05:54Z","speaker_name":null},{"id":"seg_100637_330","meeting_id":"100637","media_asset_id":"med_100637_3304ff86adf702dc","agenda_item_id":null,"speaker_id":"spk_100637_board_member_2","speaker_confidence":0.6,"start_sec":2127.2,"end_sec":2128,"text":"Second.","topics_json":"[]","vector_id":"vec_seg_100637_330","created_at":"2026-10-31T06:05:55Z","speaker_name":null},{"id":"seg_100637_331","meeting_id":"100637","media_asset_id":"med_100637_3304ff86adf702dc","agenda_item_id":null,"speaker_id":"off_roy_sudler_jr","speaker_confidence":0.95,"start_sec":2128,"end_sec":2133,"text":"It's been properly moved and seconded. Are you ready for the question? All those in discussion?","topics_json":"[]","vector_id":"vec_seg_100637_331","created_at":"2026-10-31T06:05:55Z","speaker_name":"Roy Sudler, Jr."},{"id":"seg_100637_332","meeting_id":"100637","media_asset_id":"med_100637_3304ff86adf702dc","agenda_item_id":null,"speaker_id":"spk_100637_appellant","speaker_confidence":0.7,"start_sec":2133.2,"end_sec":2135.2,"text":"I I have a I have a question.","topics_json":"[]","vector_id":"vec_seg_100637_332","created_at":"2026-10-31T06:05:55Z","speaker_name":null},{"id":"seg_100637_333","meeting_id":"100637","media_asset_id":"med_100637_3304ff86adf702dc","agenda_item_id":null,"speaker_id":"off_roy_sudler_jr","speaker_confidence":0.95,"start_sec":2135.2,"end_sec":2136.7,"text":"Okay, discussion.","topics_json":"[]","vector_id":"vec_seg_100637_333","created_at":"2026-10-31T06:05:55Z","speaker_name":"Roy Sudler, Jr."},{"id":"seg_100637_334","meeting_id":"100637","media_asset_id":"med_100637_3304ff86adf702dc","agenda_item_id":null,"speaker_id":"spk_100637_appellant","speaker_confidence":0.7,"start_sec":2136.7,"end_sec":2138.7,"text":"Um, and that is","topics_json":"[]","vector_id":"vec_seg_100637_334","created_at":"2026-10-31T06:05:55Z","speaker_name":null},{"id":"seg_100637_335","meeting_id":"100637","media_asset_id":"med_100637_3304ff86adf702dc","agenda_item_id":null,"speaker_id":"spk_100637_board_member","speaker_confidence":0.85,"start_sec":2140.21,"end_sec":2142.36,"text":"You've been receiving these notices?","topics_json":"[\"housing\"]","vector_id":"vec_seg_100637_335","created_at":"2026-10-31T06:05:55Z","speaker_name":null},{"id":"seg_100637_336","meeting_id":"100637","media_asset_id":"med_100637_3304ff86adf702dc","agenda_item_id":null,"speaker_id":"spk_100637_female_resident","speaker_confidence":0.85,"start_sec":2142.36,"end_sec":2143.96,"text":"Not for receipt.","topics_json":"[\"housing\"]","vector_id":"vec_seg_100637_336","created_at":"2026-10-31T06:05:55Z","speaker_name":null},{"id":"seg_100637_337","meeting_id":"100637","media_asset_id":"med_100637_3304ff86adf702dc","agenda_item_id":null,"speaker_id":"spk_100637_male_resident","speaker_confidence":0.85,"start_sec":2143.96,"end_sec":2163.01,"text":"See, we didn't we didn't know about all of the citations until I put in a FOIA request and we got a print out of all the citations that we had. And we knew of a couple of them and we didn't realize exactly how many there were. He says he's posted them on the door. There have been a couple stuck to the door, but I I mean maybe two, maybe two.","topics_json":"[\"housing\"]","vector_id":"vec_seg_100637_337","created_at":"2026-10-31T06:05:55Z","speaker_name":null},{"id":"seg_100637_338","meeting_id":"100637","media_asset_id":"med_100637_3304ff86adf702dc","agenda_item_id":null,"speaker_id":"spk_100637_female_resident","speaker_confidence":0.85,"start_sec":2163.01,"end_sec":2179.71,"text":"And we also have wait a minute and also understand, too, recently we had a teenager living in the home that got our mail, so we didn't always get our mail. We just now he's a member of Marine, so we're getting that maybe that's why. I'm not saying he didn't. I don't know, but we I was not aware. He's never spoken to me except for the one that I did get.","topics_json":"[\"housing\"]","vector_id":"vec_seg_100637_338","created_at":"2026-10-31T06:05:55Z","speaker_name":null},{"id":"seg_100637_339","meeting_id":"100637","media_asset_id":"med_100637_3304ff86adf702dc","agenda_item_id":null,"speaker_id":"spk_100637_male_staff","speaker_confidence":0.85,"start_sec":2179.71,"end_sec":2181.56,"text":"That's why there's communications though, then.","topics_json":"[\"housing\"]","vector_id":"vec_seg_100637_339","created_at":"2026-10-31T06:05:55Z","speaker_name":null},{"id":"seg_100637_34","meeting_id":"100637","media_asset_id":"med_100637_3304ff86adf702dc","agenda_item_id":null,"speaker_id":"off_roy_sudler_jr","speaker_confidence":0.95,"start_sec":335.13,"end_sec":336.03,"text":"So, but you just...","topics_json":"[]","vector_id":"vec_seg_100637_34","created_at":"2026-10-31T06:05:54Z","speaker_name":"Roy Sudler, Jr."},{"id":"seg_100637_340","meeting_id":"100637","media_asset_id":"med_100637_3304ff86adf702dc","agenda_item_id":null,"speaker_id":"spk_100637_female_resident","speaker_confidence":0.85,"start_sec":2181.56,"end_sec":2190.16,"text":"Right. Okay. But you've never spoken to me, so I wasn't aware. But you keep saying junk and debris, and I look at these pictures and I shouldn't have to guess on what it is you're looking at.","topics_json":"[\"housing\"]","vector_id":"vec_seg_100637_340","created_at":"2026-10-31T06:05:55Z","speaker_name":null},{"id":"seg_100637_341","meeting_id":"100637","media_asset_id":"med_100637_3304ff86adf702dc","agenda_item_id":null,"speaker_id":"spk_100637_male_resident","speaker_confidence":0.85,"start_sec":2190.16,"end_sec":2194.61,"text":"And I also need to verify, too. It's not mostly the communication. 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Um, the Chair recognizes...","topics_json":"[\"housing\"]","vector_id":"vec_seg_100637_344","created_at":"2026-10-31T06:05:55Z","speaker_name":null},{"id":"seg_100637_345","meeting_id":"100637","media_asset_id":"med_100637_3304ff86adf702dc","agenda_item_id":null,"speaker_id":"spk_100637_female_staff","speaker_confidence":0.85,"start_sec":2198.81,"end_sec":2265.61,"text":"Um, if I could just add, we naturally have some photographs um included in the case files when he's posted the return mail to the door. Code dictates that anything that's returned to us by the post office gets posted on the property. Um, so he does have photographs of that. And then, I'm looking at some of the um envelopes from the post office where it says that they try to make contact. Um, they do put dates on the envelope of when they tried to deliver the the mail. Um, and they did mark it as unclaimed.","topics_json":"[\"housing\"]","vector_id":"vec_seg_100637_345","created_at":"2026-10-31T06:05:55Z","speaker_name":null},{"id":"seg_100637_346","meeting_id":"100637","media_asset_id":"med_100637_3304ff86adf702dc","agenda_item_id":null,"speaker_id":"spk_100637_chair","speaker_confidence":0.85,"start_sec":2265.61,"end_sec":2271.71,"text":"Okay. All right. Um, if that that is uh Is there Is there a motion?","topics_json":"[\"housing\"]","vector_id":"vec_seg_100637_346","created_at":"2026-10-31T06:05:55Z","speaker_name":null},{"id":"seg_100637_347","meeting_id":"100637","media_asset_id":"med_100637_3304ff86adf702dc","agenda_item_id":null,"speaker_id":"spk_100637_board_member_2","speaker_confidence":0.85,"start_sec":2271.71,"end_sec":2274.31,"text":"Yeah, that That answered my question.","topics_json":"[\"housing\"]","vector_id":"vec_seg_100637_347","created_at":"2026-10-31T06:05:55Z","speaker_name":null},{"id":"seg_100637_348","meeting_id":"100637","media_asset_id":"med_100637_3304ff86adf702dc","agenda_item_id":null,"speaker_id":"spk_100637_chair","speaker_confidence":0.85,"start_sec":2274.31,"end_sec":2284.36,"text":"There's a motion on the floor, has been properly moved and seconded. Um, the motion has been to deny the appeal. 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Nobody else is.","topics_json":"[]","vector_id":"vec_seg_100637_35","created_at":"2026-10-31T06:05:54Z","speaker_name":null},{"id":"seg_100637_350","meeting_id":"100637","media_asset_id":"med_100637_3304ff86adf702dc","agenda_item_id":null,"speaker_id":"spk_100637_chair","speaker_confidence":0.85,"start_sec":2285.66,"end_sec":2287.21,"text":"Any opposed? The appeal...","topics_json":"[\"housing\"]","vector_id":"vec_seg_100637_350","created_at":"2026-10-31T06:05:55Z","speaker_name":null},{"id":"seg_100637_351","meeting_id":"100637","media_asset_id":"med_100637_3304ff86adf702dc","agenda_item_id":null,"speaker_id":"off_roy_sudler_jr","speaker_confidence":0.95,"start_sec":2247.22,"end_sec":2283.52,"text":"appeal is denied, therefore the fine stays. Now we're moving to uh item number four, 2009 Property Maintenance Code Violation, Chapter 3, uh General Requirements, Section 302.1, Sanitation. Appeal of citation, end of 25-0-0-0-0-4-1-1-9-0-7, and related fines for the property located at 838 Monroe Terrace. Uh Michelle Sachs is here present again. Um um I yield to Code Enforcement to present their argument regarding this particular matter.","topics_json":"[\"housing\"]","vector_id":"vec_seg_100637_351","created_at":"2026-10-31T06:05:55Z","speaker_name":"Roy Sudler, Jr."},{"id":"seg_100637_352","meeting_id":"100637","media_asset_id":"med_100637_3304ff86adf702dc","agenda_item_id":null,"speaker_id":"spk_100637_matthew_layfield","speaker_confidence":1,"start_sec":2283.52,"end_sec":2354.22,"text":"Okay. My name is Matthew Layfield, and um this case started in August of last year. As um you can match the dates up, I was there performing a follow-up body a follow-up when the violations found, and tires were found in the driveway and the backyard in two spots. And um, as stated earlier, and um tires, which is a violation of the DCO 22-221 um /2009, Section PM 302.1, Sanitation. I sent them the notice on 8/25, gave them 30 days to remove it. On September 25th, I gave them I gave them extension um from when we had a couple con- a couple phone calls. Um so I gave them an extension on September 25th and gave them 30 days extension, and I followed up on 10/25. So on November cuz so when I met with them when I met with","topics_json":"[\"housing\"]","vector_id":"vec_seg_100637_352","created_at":"2026-10-31T06:05:55Z","speaker_name":"Matthew Layfield"},{"id":"seg_100637_353","meeting_id":"100637","media_asset_id":"med_100637_3304ff86adf702dc","agenda_item_id":null,"speaker_id":"spk_100637_code_enforcement_officer","speaker_confidence":0.9,"start_sec":2354.23,"end_sec":2357.53,"text":"and pointed them out. That went for both of these cases.","topics_json":"[\"housing\"]","vector_id":"vec_seg_100637_353","created_at":"2026-10-31T06:05:55Z","speaker_name":null},{"id":"seg_100637_354","meeting_id":"100637","media_asset_id":"med_100637_3304ff86adf702dc","agenda_item_id":null,"speaker_id":"spk_100637_board_chair","speaker_confidence":0.9,"start_sec":2357.53,"end_sec":2374.83,"text":"So, so let me, so I'm sorry, let me let you continue cuz I want to, well I just want to clarify. You were going for the previous one that we just voted on and then you've seen additional items, and there, the additional items were the tires that are being that are shown. 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I gave them another 30 days, so then I went back in November 3rd, 10:15, the tires were still there and they and I issued the first citation of $100.","topics_json":"[\"housing\"]","vector_id":"vec_seg_100637_356","created_at":"2026-10-31T06:05:55Z","speaker_name":null},{"id":"seg_100637_357","meeting_id":"100637","media_asset_id":"med_100637_3304ff86adf702dc","agenda_item_id":null,"speaker_id":"spk_100637_code_enforcement_officer","speaker_confidence":0.95,"start_sec":2400.73,"end_sec":2411.63,"text":"And then, um, they had until December 3rd to come into compliance. Again, they were given a 30-day extension with, um, a new follow-up of January 5th.","topics_json":"[\"housing\"]","vector_id":"vec_seg_100637_357","created_at":"2026-10-31T06:05:55Z","speaker_name":null},{"id":"seg_100637_358","meeting_id":"100637","media_asset_id":"med_100637_3304ff86adf702dc","agenda_item_id":null,"speaker_id":"spk_100637_code_enforcement_officer","speaker_confidence":0.95,"start_sec":2411.63,"end_sec":2425.43,"text":"January 5th, 9:30, 9:39, the property was still in violation, so I sent a second citation with $200 fine and, uh, gave them 30 more days to follow up.","topics_json":"[\"housing\"]","vector_id":"vec_seg_100637_358","created_at":"2026-10-31T06:05:55Z","speaker_name":null},{"id":"seg_100637_359","meeting_id":"100637","media_asset_id":"med_100637_3304ff86adf702dc","agenda_item_id":null,"speaker_id":"spk_100637_code_enforcement_officer","speaker_confidence":0.95,"start_sec":2425.43,"end_sec":2436.23,"text":"And then February 6th, um, at 10:17, the property was still in violation. 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Uh June 12th, I sent out a vacant building registration uh letter via certified mail based on utility usage, uh with no water usage since September 19th, 2024, and minimal electric usage. Um July 8th, 2024, an appeal was sent to the city clerk's office, and uh that's what I have for the case. I did print out the the latest utilities for the property as of today, and up until the July reading for water usage, which was uh July 20th, 2024, there's still no water usage at the property, again dating back until September 19th of 2024. And then the electric account is minimal electric, with uh 244 kW uh for for the reading July 20th.","topics_json":"[\"housing\"]","vector_id":"vec_seg_100637_8","created_at":"2026-10-31T06:05:54Z","speaker_name":null},{"id":"seg_100637_80","meeting_id":"100637","media_asset_id":"med_100637_3304ff86adf702dc","agenda_item_id":null,"speaker_id":"off_roy_sudler_jr","speaker_confidence":0.9,"start_sec":643.25,"end_sec":645.65,"text":"Question. 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Uh the R-20 is one of the eligible uh zoning districts uh for this area in our Comprehensive Plan.","topics_json":"[\"zoning\"]","vector_id":"vec_seg_100773_106","created_at":"2026-10-31T08:05:49Z","speaker_name":"Dawn Melson-Williams"},{"id":"seg_100773_107","meeting_id":"100773","media_asset_id":"med_100773_633dc9020535f1b7","agenda_item_id":null,"speaker_id":"off_david_l_anderson","speaker_confidence":1,"start_sec":1148.56,"end_sec":1211.2,"text":"Is is there a particular reason why the R-20 was uh chosen instead of like RG-2 or? I'm just just curious. So, I just want to walk into this with my eyes open because it's an R, I mean the property doesn't seem large enough for apartments to pop up or anything.","topics_json":"[\"housing\",\"zoning\"]","vector_id":"vec_seg_100773_107","created_at":"2026-10-31T08:05:49Z","speaker_name":"David L. 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Uh with this property being over uh an acre and a half of land, um we felt that it was most appropriate to suggest that R-20, um which is our largest minimum residential uh land use or or zoning classification.","topics_json":"[\"housing\",\"zoning\"]","vector_id":"vec_seg_100773_108","created_at":"2026-10-31T08:05:49Z","speaker_name":"Dawn Melson-Williams"},{"id":"seg_100773_109","meeting_id":"100773","media_asset_id":"med_100773_633dc9020535f1b7","agenda_item_id":null,"speaker_id":"off_david_l_anderson","speaker_confidence":1,"start_sec":1320.23,"end_sec":1328.53,"text":"Oh, thank you. That was very informative. And unless one of my colleagues has a question, I'll make a motion for adoption.","topics_json":"[\"zoning\"]","vector_id":"vec_seg_100773_109","created_at":"2026-10-31T08:05:49Z","speaker_name":"David L. 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It's the 10th annual dinner in honor of Robert Earl Thorne, Sr. and all US veterans, and that will be held at the Luther Village apartment complex, 101 Babs Drive, and that is going to be sponsored by uh one of my constituents in the second district, Ms. Faye White. Uh Ms. White, what time does that start? Because you didn't give me the time. If you don't mind coming up and giving us the time of that event. And again, uh all veterans within the community are invited to that event.","topics_json":"[]","vector_id":"vec_seg_100773_136","created_at":"2026-10-31T08:05:49Z","speaker_name":"Brian E. Lewis"},{"id":"seg_100773_137","meeting_id":"100773","media_asset_id":"med_100773_633dc9020535f1b7","agenda_item_id":null,"speaker_id":"spk_100773_faye_white","speaker_confidence":1,"start_sec":1556.84,"end_sec":1627.96,"text":"Good evening. I like to thank each and every one of you, and especially the council people and all the veterans for your support for the last. This is the 10th year. 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Each time, Father God, cause us to be people who seek peace, for your word says, \"Blessed are the peacemakers.\" City, Lord God, while we while is while we have our challenges, Lord, it's a it's a wonderful place. While there while there are people that are in need, you said, Lord God, the poor will be with us always, but then also, Father, you said that for us, Lord, to let the strong bear the infirmities of the weak. So let us who are strong in certain places continue to lift those who find themselves in weak places right now, how that we continue to be individuals who look to serve, Father God, and not belittle, how we the individuals who are who have mental and physical challenges, Lord. Lord, let us continue to Give us wisdom, give us all the wisdom of Solomon, how we may manage all of our affairs. Lord, we pray for our leadership from our executive branch, all the way down to our city and community officials, those who run nonprofits. 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Christiansen, Mayor of the City of Dover, Delaware, do hereby proclaim August 15th, 2026, as Dover Lemonade Stand Day in the City of Dover and encourage all residents to support the participating young entrepreneurs by visiting their lemonade stands, celebrating their accomplishments, and recognizing the importance of investing in our youth and their bright futures.","topics_json":"[\"business\"]","vector_id":"vec_seg_100773_44","created_at":"2026-10-31T08:05:49Z","speaker_name":null},{"id":"seg_100773_45","meeting_id":"100773","media_asset_id":"med_100773_633dc9020535f1b7","agenda_item_id":null,"speaker_id":"off_julia_m_pillsbury","speaker_confidence":1,"start_sec":422,"end_sec":444.5,"text":"Well, thank you very much. This is for you, and I'm very proud of you. It's a it's a challenge to run your own business, I ran one for a long time. And it requires a lot of work and a lot of personal commitment. And I'm very, very proud of you. 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So they will be setting up their stands all across the city this Saturday on the 15th, and any kids who are interested in setting up a lemonade stand, please send them our way.","topics_json":"[\"business\"]","vector_id":"vec_seg_100773_47","created_at":"2026-10-31T08:05:49Z","speaker_name":null},{"id":"seg_100773_48","meeting_id":"100773","media_asset_id":"med_100773_633dc9020535f1b7","agenda_item_id":null,"speaker_id":"off_julia_m_pillsbury","speaker_confidence":1,"start_sec":475,"end_sec":485,"text":"All right, thank you very much! And I'd like to offer you the opportunity to speak. Would you like to say something?","topics_json":"[]","vector_id":"vec_seg_100773_48","created_at":"2026-10-31T08:05:49Z","speaker_name":"Julia M. 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Um as part of the uh annexation application process, the city's zoning classification is set. Uh they requested the zoning classification of R-20, which is a one-family residence zone. Uh this property is currently occupied by a single-family detached dwelling, uh and that proposed use is anticipated to continue. Um the property was previously served and is currently served by the city's uh Electric Department. Uh water and wastewater uh or sanitary sewer service were available to the property, and that is uh the reason for their request for annexation. Um as a category 1, in order to make a connection to city water and sewer, you must pursue annexation, um and they have done so. Uh the Planning Commission considered this at their meeting in July and uh conducted a public hearing. Uh the Planning Commission has recommended approval of the annexation request and recommending the city zoning classification be set at R-20, a one-family residence zone. Uh as part of the record this evening is the Planning Commission recommendation report, which um includes more detailed information on the annexation process and the uh zoning that was requested. Uh staff was recommending approval of the annexation requests as uh as was the uh Planning Commission. Uh the city zoning ordinance charges the Planning Commission with considering three factors when setting the zoning of a property, including the permitted uses, um adequate public services and infrastructure, as well as um the status with the city's comprehensive plan. Um so, as recommended by the Planning Commission, they are um recommending annexation and setting the zoning um district as R-20. Uh the property owner is here in the um room this evening. Um if you wish to hear from him as part of the public hearing process on this annexation and rezoning request. Um Council President.","topics_json":"[\"zoning\",\"housing\"]","vector_id":"vec_seg_100773_61","created_at":"2026-10-31T08:05:49Z","speaker_name":"Dawn Melson-Williams"},{"id":"seg_100773_62","meeting_id":"100773","media_asset_id":"med_100773_633dc9020535f1b7","agenda_item_id":null,"speaker_id":"off_fred_a_neil","speaker_confidence":1,"start_sec":733,"end_sec":752.5,"text":"Thank you. I now declare the public hearing open. Is there anyone who wishes to speak in favor of the proposed amendment? Seeing none. Is there anyone who wishes to speak against the proposed amendment? Seeing none. I declare the public hearing closed. Next entertain a motion for the adoption of the annexation resolution number 2026-09. Madam Clerk, will you please call roll? Yes. Yes, we have someone. Yes, Councilman Anderson.","topics_json":"[\"zoning\"]","vector_id":"vec_seg_100773_62","created_at":"2026-10-31T08:05:49Z","speaker_name":"Fred A. 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Um, I'll ask the the representative for the agenda item on the agenda, 2009 International Property Maintenance Code violation, Chapter 3, General Requirements, Section 304.7, Roofs and Drainage, appeals citation for limited fines for the property located at 253 Trafal- Trafalgon,","topics_json":"[\"housing\"]","vector_id":"vec_seg_100831_44","created_at":"2026-10-31T08:08:15Z","speaker_name":"Board Chair (Code Board of Appeals)"},{"id":"seg_100831_45","meeting_id":"100831","media_asset_id":"med_100831_eea5bca257cc2273","agenda_item_id":null,"speaker_id":"spk_100831_eddie_kopp","speaker_confidence":0.7,"start_sec":307.8,"end_sec":308.8,"text":"Trafalgar.","topics_json":"[]","vector_id":"vec_seg_100831_45","created_at":"2026-10-31T08:08:15Z","speaker_name":"Eddie Kopp"},{"id":"seg_100831_46","meeting_id":"100831","media_asset_id":"med_100831_eea5bca257cc2273","agenda_item_id":null,"speaker_id":"spk_100831_chair","speaker_confidence":0.7,"start_sec":309,"end_sec":310.5,"text":"Trafalgar.","topics_json":"[]","vector_id":"vec_seg_100831_46","created_at":"2026-10-31T08:08:15Z","speaker_name":"Board Chair (Code Board of Appeals)"},{"id":"seg_100831_47","meeting_id":"100831","media_asset_id":"med_100831_eea5bca257cc2273","agenda_item_id":null,"speaker_id":"spk_100831_eddie_kopp","speaker_confidence":0.7,"start_sec":311,"end_sec":312.2,"text":"Trafalgar.","topics_json":"[]","vector_id":"vec_seg_100831_47","created_at":"2026-10-31T08:08:15Z","speaker_name":"Eddie Kopp"},{"id":"seg_100831_48","meeting_id":"100831","media_asset_id":"med_100831_eea5bca257cc2273","agenda_item_id":null,"speaker_id":"spk_100831_chair","speaker_confidence":0.7,"start_sec":313,"end_sec":324,"text":"Tomato, tomato. The property owner uh of is Evan Tulloch, it appears to be. Mr. uh Evan Tulloch is not here.","topics_json":"[]","vector_id":"vec_seg_100831_48","created_at":"2026-10-31T08:08:15Z","speaker_name":"Board Chair (Code Board of Appeals)"},{"id":"seg_100831_49","meeting_id":"100831","media_asset_id":"med_100831_eea5bca257cc2273","agenda_item_id":null,"speaker_id":"spk_100831_chair","speaker_confidence":0.7,"start_sec":324.5,"end_sec":334.5,"text":"I would like to go on record, ask the City Clerk representative to go on record to identify all attempts to contact um the the individual,","topics_json":"[]","vector_id":"vec_seg_100831_49","created_at":"2026-10-31T08:08:15Z","speaker_name":"Board Chair (Code Board of Appeals)"},{"id":"seg_100831_5","meeting_id":"100831","media_asset_id":"med_100831_eea5bca257cc2273","agenda_item_id":null,"speaker_id":"spk_100831_city_clerk","speaker_confidence":0.7,"start_sec":60.1,"end_sec":60.8,"text":"Pigeon?","topics_json":"[]","vector_id":"vec_seg_100831_5","created_at":"2026-10-31T08:08:15Z","speaker_name":null},{"id":"seg_100831_50","meeting_id":"100831","media_asset_id":"med_100831_eea5bca257cc2273","agenda_item_id":null,"speaker_id":"spk_100831_eddie_kopp","speaker_confidence":0.7,"start_sec":335,"end_sec":336,"text":"Mr. Tulloch.","topics_json":"[]","vector_id":"vec_seg_100831_50","created_at":"2026-10-31T08:08:15Z","speaker_name":"Eddie Kopp"},{"id":"seg_100831_51","meeting_id":"100831","media_asset_id":"med_100831_eea5bca257cc2273","agenda_item_id":null,"speaker_id":"spk_100831_chair","speaker_confidence":0.7,"start_sec":336.1,"end_sec":342,"text":"Mr. Tulloch. And could you please go on record and indicate how you attempted contact?","topics_json":"[]","vector_id":"vec_seg_100831_51","created_at":"2026-10-31T08:08:15Z","speaker_name":"Board Chair (Code Board of Appeals)"},{"id":"seg_100831_52","meeting_id":"100831","media_asset_id":"med_100831_eea5bca257cc2273","agenda_item_id":null,"speaker_id":"spk_100831_city_clerk","speaker_confidence":0.8,"start_sec":343,"end_sec":353.5,"text":"So, we received his appeal on July 13th, and uh and then once we received his appeal, I received um his case from Thomas Miller.","topics_json":"[]","vector_id":"vec_seg_100831_52","created_at":"2026-10-31T08:08:15Z","speaker_name":null},{"id":"seg_100831_53","meeting_id":"100831","media_asset_id":"med_100831_eea5bca257cc2273","agenda_item_id":null,"speaker_id":"spk_100831_city_clerk","speaker_confidence":0.8,"start_sec":354,"end_sec":381,"text":"And once I received this case number, I um had scheduled the the Construction and Property Maintenance Board of Appeals meeting for August 12th. I contacted him by phone and let him know that the for the meeting was for August 12th. He was in agreement with that. I did tell provide him that there was a Webex link as well if he was not available in person.","topics_json":"[]","vector_id":"vec_seg_100831_53","created_at":"2026-10-31T08:08:15Z","speaker_name":null},{"id":"seg_100831_54","meeting_id":"100831","media_asset_id":"med_100831_eea5bca257cc2273","agenda_item_id":null,"speaker_id":"spk_100831_city_clerk","speaker_confidence":0.8,"start_sec":381.2,"end_sec":401,"text":"He said he was not sure if he was available for in person or for Webex, but he was he did confirm that he was available for this date. I did provide that information in an email as well, and I did provide in a letter by mail as well. Uh, yesterday I called him as a reminder that we had a meeting for today.","topics_json":"[]","vector_id":"vec_seg_100831_54","created_at":"2026-10-31T08:08:15Z","speaker_name":null},{"id":"seg_100831_55","meeting_id":"100831","media_asset_id":"med_100831_eea5bca257cc2273","agenda_item_id":null,"speaker_id":"spk_100831_city_clerk","speaker_confidence":0.8,"start_sec":401.1,"end_sec":413.5,"text":"I left him a voicemail, and I sent him an email as well yesterday, but I received no response from him.","topics_json":"[]","vector_id":"vec_seg_100831_55","created_at":"2026-10-31T08:08:15Z","speaker_name":null},{"id":"seg_100831_56","meeting_id":"100831","media_asset_id":"med_100831_eea5bca257cc2273","agenda_item_id":null,"speaker_id":"spk_100831_chair","speaker_confidence":0.7,"start_sec":414,"end_sec":419.8,"text":"Okay. 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And it should be noted that evidence submitted by Code Enforcement are pictures dated August 11th, 2026 at 14:22, that is 2:22 PM for non-military individuals. Uh are these pictures, City, someone from Code Enforcement?","topics_json":"[]","vector_id":"vec_seg_100831_58","created_at":"2026-10-31T08:08:15Z","speaker_name":"Board Chair (Code Board of Appeals)"},{"id":"seg_100831_59","meeting_id":"100831","media_asset_id":"med_100831_eea5bca257cc2273","agenda_item_id":null,"speaker_id":"spk_100831_thomas_miller","speaker_confidence":0.7,"start_sec":447.1,"end_sec":449,"text":"Yeah, I took them yesterday.","topics_json":"[]","vector_id":"vec_seg_100831_59","created_at":"2026-10-31T08:08:15Z","speaker_name":"Thomas Miller"},{"id":"seg_100831_6","meeting_id":"100831","media_asset_id":"med_100831_eea5bca257cc2273","agenda_item_id":null,"speaker_id":"spk_100831_city_clerk","speaker_confidence":0.7,"start_sec":64,"end_sec":65.5,"text":"Send a smoke signal.","topics_json":"[]","vector_id":"vec_seg_100831_6","created_at":"2026-10-31T08:08:15Z","speaker_name":null},{"id":"seg_100831_60","meeting_id":"100831","media_asset_id":"med_100831_eea5bca257cc2273","agenda_item_id":null,"speaker_id":"spk_100831_chair","speaker_confidence":0.7,"start_sec":449.1,"end_sec":451,"text":"Okay, could you identify yourself for-","topics_json":"[]","vector_id":"vec_seg_100831_60","created_at":"2026-10-31T08:08:15Z","speaker_name":"Board Chair (Code Board of Appeals)"},{"id":"seg_100831_61","meeting_id":"100831","media_asset_id":"med_100831_eea5bca257cc2273","agenda_item_id":null,"speaker_id":"spk_100831_thomas_miller","speaker_confidence":0.8,"start_sec":451.2,"end_sec":453.5,"text":"Thomas Miller, Code Enforcement Officer.","topics_json":"[]","vector_id":"vec_seg_100831_61","created_at":"2026-10-31T08:08:15Z","speaker_name":"Thomas Miller"},{"id":"seg_100831_62","meeting_id":"100831","media_asset_id":"med_100831_eea5bca257cc2273","agenda_item_id":null,"speaker_id":"spk_100831_chair","speaker_confidence":0.7,"start_sec":453.6,"end_sec":462.5,"text":"You took these yesterday? All right. Thank you. So we have before us the property in question uh regarding, I'll yield to Code Enforcement.","topics_json":"[]","vector_id":"vec_seg_100831_62","created_at":"2026-10-31T08:08:15Z","speaker_name":"Board Chair (Code Board of Appeals)"},{"id":"seg_100831_63","meeting_id":"100831","media_asset_id":"med_100831_eea5bca257cc2273","agenda_item_id":null,"speaker_id":"spk_100831_eddie_kopp","speaker_confidence":0.8,"start_sec":463,"end_sec":477.5,"text":"Uh, Eddie Kopp, Chief Code Enforcement Officer for the City of Dover. Uh, the appellant was properly notified by the City Clerk's office. 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Um, any questions regarding?","topics_json":"[]","vector_id":"vec_seg_100831_64","created_at":"2026-10-31T08:08:15Z","speaker_name":"Board Chair (Code Board of Appeals)"},{"id":"seg_100831_65","meeting_id":"100831","media_asset_id":"med_100831_eea5bca257cc2273","agenda_item_id":null,"speaker_id":"off_fred_a_neil","speaker_confidence":0.5,"start_sec":491,"end_sec":493,"text":"I move for the denial of the appeal.","topics_json":"[]","vector_id":"vec_seg_100831_65","created_at":"2026-10-31T08:08:15Z","speaker_name":"Fred A. Neil"},{"id":"seg_100831_66","meeting_id":"100831","media_asset_id":"med_100831_eea5bca257cc2273","agenda_item_id":null,"speaker_id":"off_fred_a_neil","speaker_confidence":0.5,"start_sec":493.5,"end_sec":494.5,"text":"Second.","topics_json":"[]","vector_id":"vec_seg_100831_66","created_at":"2026-10-31T08:08:15Z","speaker_name":"Fred A. 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Um, there's no other-","topics_json":"[]","vector_id":"vec_seg_100831_70","created_at":"2026-10-31T08:08:15Z","speaker_name":"Board Chair (Code Board of Appeals)"},{"id":"seg_100831_71","meeting_id":"100831","media_asset_id":"med_100831_eea5bca257cc2273","agenda_item_id":null,"speaker_id":"off_brian_e_lewis","speaker_confidence":0.6,"start_sec":508.5,"end_sec":510.5,"text":"What was the the problem?","topics_json":"[]","vector_id":"vec_seg_100831_71","created_at":"2026-10-31T08:08:15Z","speaker_name":"Brian E. 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The second, the second fine is $200. So since the, he's already on the second notice.","topics_json":"[]","vector_id":"vec_seg_100831_76","created_at":"2026-10-31T08:08:16Z","speaker_name":"Eddie Kopp"},{"id":"seg_100831_77","meeting_id":"100831","media_asset_id":"med_100831_eea5bca257cc2273","agenda_item_id":null,"speaker_id":"off_brian_e_lewis","speaker_confidence":0.6,"start_sec":530,"end_sec":531,"text":"He'll get a third notice.","topics_json":"[]","vector_id":"vec_seg_100831_77","created_at":"2026-10-31T08:08:16Z","speaker_name":"Brian E. 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This is Dawn, the host for the City of Dover Planning Commission meeting. Um, the time now is just after 7:00 p.m. on August 17th. Um, this meeting is being held uh, in person, as well as a virtual presentation. Um, and with that, I will turn it over to um, our acting chair, Ms. Denney.","topics_json":"[]","vector_id":"vec_seg_100911_1","created_at":"2026-10-31T08:18:21Z","speaker_name":"Dawn Melson-Williams"},{"id":"seg_100911_10","meeting_id":"100911","media_asset_id":"med_100911_cb53012a9568adfb","agenda_item_id":null,"speaker_id":"spk_100911_michael_lewis","speaker_confidence":1,"start_sec":272.28,"end_sec":272.88,"text":"Present.","topics_json":"[]","vector_id":"vec_seg_100911_10","created_at":"2026-10-31T08:18:21Z","speaker_name":"Michael Lewis"},{"id":"seg_100911_100","meeting_id":"100911","media_asset_id":"med_100911_cb53012a9568adfb","agenda_item_id":null,"speaker_id":"spk_100911_dan_ridgely","speaker_confidence":1,"start_sec":2293.73,"end_sec":2294.21,"text":"Yeah, you're welcome.","topics_json":"[\"zoning\"]","vector_id":"vec_seg_100911_100","created_at":"2026-10-31T08:18:21Z","speaker_name":"Dan Ridgely"},{"id":"seg_100911_101","meeting_id":"100911","media_asset_id":"med_100911_cb53012a9568adfb","agenda_item_id":null,"speaker_id":"spk_100911_denny","speaker_confidence":1,"start_sec":2295.23,"end_sec":2296.44,"text":"Anyone else?","topics_json":"[\"zoning\"]","vector_id":"vec_seg_100911_101","created_at":"2026-10-31T08:18:21Z","speaker_name":"Denny"},{"id":"seg_100911_102","meeting_id":"100911","media_asset_id":"med_100911_cb53012a9568adfb","agenda_item_id":null,"speaker_id":"spk_100911_denny","speaker_confidence":1,"start_sec":2297.76,"end_sec":2314.23,"text":"Looks like there's no one with any questions, but I just uh want to comment um, you know, hav- having a passion to preserve history and the aesthetics, and having a hi- an historic house in Camden, um I really appreciate your expertise and trying to preserve and do as much as you can with this, Mr. Ridgely. Thank you.","topics_json":"[\"zoning\"]","vector_id":"vec_seg_100911_102","created_at":"2026-10-31T08:18:21Z","speaker_name":"Denny"},{"id":"seg_100911_103","meeting_id":"100911","media_asset_id":"med_100911_cb53012a9568adfb","agenda_item_id":null,"speaker_id":"spk_100911_dan_ridgely","speaker_confidence":1,"start_sec":2312.49,"end_sec":2313.21,"text":"Of course, thank you.","topics_json":"[\"zoning\"]","vector_id":"vec_seg_100911_103","created_at":"2026-10-31T08:18:21Z","speaker_name":"Dan Ridgely"},{"id":"seg_100911_104","meeting_id":"100911","media_asset_id":"med_100911_cb53012a9568adfb","agenda_item_id":null,"speaker_id":"spk_100911_dan_ridgely","speaker_confidence":1,"start_sec":2314.35,"end_sec":2315.01,"text":"Very welcome.","topics_json":"[\"zoning\"]","vector_id":"vec_seg_100911_104","created_at":"2026-10-31T08:18:21Z","speaker_name":"Dan Ridgely"},{"id":"seg_100911_105","meeting_id":"100911","media_asset_id":"med_100911_cb53012a9568adfb","agenda_item_id":null,"speaker_id":"spk_100911_denny","speaker_confidence":1,"start_sec":2317.54,"end_sec":2320.66,"text":"So if Was there anybody from the public that has any comments or","topics_json":"[\"zoning\"]","vector_id":"vec_seg_100911_105","created_at":"2026-10-31T08:18:21Z","speaker_name":"Denny"},{"id":"seg_100911_106","meeting_id":"100911","media_asset_id":"med_100911_cb53012a9568adfb","agenda_item_id":null,"speaker_id":"spk_100911_dawn_melson_williams","speaker_confidence":1,"start_sec":2321.08,"end_sec":2360.1,"text":"So Madam Chair, this does not require a public hearing um for this application, um kind of update to the planning commission, um but if there's all questions are answered, you can certainly seek a motion to um accept this information and uh its update to the architectural review certification for this project.","topics_json":"[\"zoning\"]","vector_id":"vec_seg_100911_106","created_at":"2026-10-31T08:18:21Z","speaker_name":"Dawn Melson-Williams"},{"id":"seg_100911_107","meeting_id":"100911","media_asset_id":"med_100911_cb53012a9568adfb","agenda_item_id":null,"speaker_id":"spk_100911_denny","speaker_confidence":1,"start_sec":2361.42,"end_sec":2364.49,"text":"Okay, so at that point, we're not we don't take a vote on this at all?","topics_json":"[\"zoning\"]","vector_id":"vec_seg_100911_107","created_at":"2026-10-31T08:18:21Z","speaker_name":"Denny"},{"id":"seg_100911_108","meeting_id":"100911","media_asset_id":"med_100911_cb53012a9568adfb","agenda_item_id":null,"speaker_id":"spk_100911_dawn_melson_williams","speaker_confidence":1,"start_sec":2364.85,"end_sec":2367.38,"text":"Uh no, you would. You just do not There's not a public hearing required.","topics_json":"[\"zoning\"]","vector_id":"vec_seg_100911_108","created_at":"2026-10-31T08:18:21Z","speaker_name":"Dawn Melson-Williams"},{"id":"seg_100911_109","meeting_id":"100911","media_asset_id":"med_100911_cb53012a9568adfb","agenda_item_id":null,"speaker_id":"spk_100911_denny","speaker_confidence":1,"start_sec":2367.5,"end_sec":2380.06,"text":"Okay, so um I g- guess the next thing to do is I'm looking for some type of a motion um from from the uh commissioners to the planning commissioners to um accept the revised plan here.","topics_json":"[\"zoning\"]","vector_id":"vec_seg_100911_109","created_at":"2026-10-31T08:18:21Z","speaker_name":"Denny"},{"id":"seg_100911_11","meeting_id":"100911","media_asset_id":"med_100911_cb53012a9568adfb","agenda_item_id":null,"speaker_id":"spk_100911_city_clerk","speaker_confidence":1,"start_sec":272.88,"end_sec":274.08,"text":"Mr. Roach?","topics_json":"[]","vector_id":"vec_seg_100911_11","created_at":"2026-10-31T08:18:21Z","speaker_name":"City Clerk"},{"id":"seg_100911_110","meeting_id":"100911","media_asset_id":"med_100911_cb53012a9568adfb","agenda_item_id":null,"speaker_id":"spk_100911_maucher","speaker_confidence":1,"start_sec":2381.62,"end_sec":2418.54,"text":"Madam Acting Chair, in the matter of the uh revised um the revisions for the west entrance ADA ramp for Legislative Hall building, and I guess that's H HI or H1-24-07, I move we um accept the planning or the Historic Commission's recommendations.","topics_json":"[\"zoning\"]","vector_id":"vec_seg_100911_110","created_at":"2026-10-31T08:18:21Z","speaker_name":"Maucher"},{"id":"seg_100911_111","meeting_id":"100911","media_asset_id":"med_100911_cb53012a9568adfb","agenda_item_id":null,"speaker_id":"spk_100911_lewis","speaker_confidence":1,"start_sec":2418.84,"end_sec":2419.44,"text":"Second.","topics_json":"[\"zoning\"]","vector_id":"vec_seg_100911_111","created_at":"2026-10-31T08:18:21Z","speaker_name":"Lewis"},{"id":"seg_100911_112","meeting_id":"100911","media_asset_id":"med_100911_cb53012a9568adfb","agenda_item_id":null,"speaker_id":"spk_100911_denny","speaker_confidence":1,"start_sec":2420.34,"end_sec":2436.03,"text":"Thank you. So we have a motion um by Mrs. Maucher and a second um by Mr. Lewis um to accept the architectural review report revised plan. Um So uh can we call the roll, please?","topics_json":"[\"zoning\"]","vector_id":"vec_seg_100911_112","created_at":"2026-10-31T08:18:21Z","speaker_name":"Denny"},{"id":"seg_100911_113","meeting_id":"100911","media_asset_id":"med_100911_cb53012a9568adfb","agenda_item_id":null,"speaker_id":"spk_100911_city_clerk","speaker_confidence":1,"start_sec":2436.63,"end_sec":2437.89,"text":"Thank you. Mrs. Maucher?","topics_json":"[\"zoning\"]","vector_id":"vec_seg_100911_113","created_at":"2026-10-31T08:18:21Z","speaker_name":"City Clerk"},{"id":"seg_100911_114","meeting_id":"100911","media_asset_id":"med_100911_cb53012a9568adfb","agenda_item_id":null,"speaker_id":"spk_100911_maucher","speaker_confidence":1,"start_sec":2438.25,"end_sec":2441.86,"text":"I vote yes. I I think they did a fine job, you know, accommodating all the needs of everyone.","topics_json":"[\"zoning\"]","vector_id":"vec_seg_100911_114","created_at":"2026-10-31T08:18:21Z","speaker_name":"Maucher"},{"id":"seg_100911_115","meeting_id":"100911","media_asset_id":"med_100911_cb53012a9568adfb","agenda_item_id":null,"speaker_id":"spk_100911_city_clerk","speaker_confidence":1,"start_sec":2442.04,"end_sec":2443.06,"text":"Dr. Jones?","topics_json":"[\"zoning\"]","vector_id":"vec_seg_100911_115","created_at":"2026-10-31T08:18:21Z","speaker_name":"City Clerk"},{"id":"seg_100911_116","meeting_id":"100911","media_asset_id":"med_100911_cb53012a9568adfb","agenda_item_id":null,"speaker_id":"spk_100911_jones","speaker_confidence":1,"start_sec":2443.66,"end_sec":2470.78,"text":"Vote yes for uh reasons uh espoused by Mrs. Maucher.","topics_json":"[\"zoning\"]","vector_id":"vec_seg_100911_116","created_at":"2026-10-31T08:18:21Z","speaker_name":"Jones"},{"id":"seg_100911_117","meeting_id":"100911","media_asset_id":"med_100911_cb53012a9568adfb","agenda_item_id":null,"speaker_id":"spk_100911_city_clerk","speaker_confidence":1,"start_sec":2471.38,"end_sec":2472.34,"text":"Mr. Reeves?","topics_json":"[\"zoning\"]","vector_id":"vec_seg_100911_117","created_at":"2026-10-31T08:18:21Z","speaker_name":"City Clerk"},{"id":"seg_100911_118","meeting_id":"100911","media_asset_id":"med_100911_cb53012a9568adfb","agenda_item_id":null,"speaker_id":"spk_100911_city_clerk","speaker_confidence":1,"start_sec":2475.53,"end_sec":2476.43,"text":"Mr. Reeves?","topics_json":"[\"zoning\"]","vector_id":"vec_seg_100911_118","created_at":"2026-10-31T08:18:21Z","speaker_name":"City Clerk"},{"id":"seg_100911_119","meeting_id":"100911","media_asset_id":"med_100911_cb53012a9568adfb","agenda_item_id":null,"speaker_id":"spk_100911_reeves","speaker_confidence":1,"start_sec":2477.45,"end_sec":2478.35,"text":"Yes, I I vote yes.","topics_json":"[\"zoning\"]","vector_id":"vec_seg_100911_119","created_at":"2026-10-31T08:18:21Z","speaker_name":"Reeves"},{"id":"seg_100911_12","meeting_id":"100911","media_asset_id":"med_100911_cb53012a9568adfb","agenda_item_id":null,"speaker_id":"spk_100911_city_clerk","speaker_confidence":1,"start_sec":275.58,"end_sec":300.53,"text":"Mrs. Denney?","topics_json":"[]","vector_id":"vec_seg_100911_12","created_at":"2026-10-31T08:18:21Z","speaker_name":"City Clerk"},{"id":"seg_100911_120","meeting_id":"100911","media_asset_id":"med_100911_cb53012a9568adfb","agenda_item_id":null,"speaker_id":"spk_100911_city_clerk","speaker_confidence":1,"start_sec":2479.55,"end_sec":2480.58,"text":"Thank you. Mrs. Welsh?","topics_json":"[\"zoning\"]","vector_id":"vec_seg_100911_120","created_at":"2026-10-31T08:18:21Z","speaker_name":"City Clerk"},{"id":"seg_100911_121","meeting_id":"100911","media_asset_id":"med_100911_cb53012a9568adfb","agenda_item_id":null,"speaker_id":"spk_100911_welsh","speaker_confidence":1,"start_sec":2481,"end_sec":2491.04,"text":"Uh yes, I vote in favor of the motion. I I just want to comment I've in the past I've done historical reservation restorations and um I appreciate just what you said about the door and the window and matching and and how difficult that can sometimes be.","topics_json":"[\"zoning\"]","vector_id":"vec_seg_100911_121","created_at":"2026-10-31T08:18:21Z","speaker_name":"Welsh"},{"id":"seg_100911_122","meeting_id":"100911","media_asset_id":"med_100911_cb53012a9568adfb","agenda_item_id":null,"speaker_id":"spk_100911_dan_ridgely","speaker_confidence":1,"start_sec":2491.22,"end_sec":2491.76,"text":"Thank you.","topics_json":"[\"zoning\"]","vector_id":"vec_seg_100911_122","created_at":"2026-10-31T08:18:21Z","speaker_name":"Dan Ridgely"},{"id":"seg_100911_123","meeting_id":"100911","media_asset_id":"med_100911_cb53012a9568adfb","agenda_item_id":null,"speaker_id":"spk_100911_city_clerk","speaker_confidence":1,"start_sec":2492.6,"end_sec":2493.44,"text":"Mr. Lewis?","topics_json":"[\"zoning\"]","vector_id":"vec_seg_100911_123","created_at":"2026-10-31T08:18:21Z","speaker_name":"City Clerk"},{"id":"seg_100911_124","meeting_id":"100911","media_asset_id":"med_100911_cb53012a9568adfb","agenda_item_id":null,"speaker_id":"spk_100911_lewis","speaker_confidence":1,"start_sec":2493.68,"end_sec":2494.76,"text":"I vote yes, and good luck with the project.","topics_json":"[\"zoning\"]","vector_id":"vec_seg_100911_124","created_at":"2026-10-31T08:18:21Z","speaker_name":"Lewis"},{"id":"seg_100911_125","meeting_id":"100911","media_asset_id":"med_100911_cb53012a9568adfb","agenda_item_id":null,"speaker_id":"spk_100911_dan_ridgely","speaker_confidence":1,"start_sec":2494.88,"end_sec":2495.19,"text":"Thank you.","topics_json":"[\"zoning\"]","vector_id":"vec_seg_100911_125","created_at":"2026-10-31T08:18:21Z","speaker_name":"Dan Ridgely"},{"id":"seg_100911_126","meeting_id":"100911","media_asset_id":"med_100911_cb53012a9568adfb","agenda_item_id":null,"speaker_id":"spk_100911_city_clerk","speaker_confidence":1,"start_sec":2495.61,"end_sec":2496.27,"text":"Mrs. Denny?","topics_json":"[\"zoning\"]","vector_id":"vec_seg_100911_126","created_at":"2026-10-31T08:18:21Z","speaker_name":"City Clerk"},{"id":"seg_100911_127","meeting_id":"100911","media_asset_id":"med_100911_cb53012a9568adfb","agenda_item_id":null,"speaker_id":"spk_100911_denny","speaker_confidence":1,"start_sec":2496.57,"end_sec":2497.17,"text":"I vote yes.","topics_json":"[\"zoning\"]","vector_id":"vec_seg_100911_127","created_at":"2026-10-31T08:18:21Z","speaker_name":"Denny"},{"id":"seg_100911_128","meeting_id":"100911","media_asset_id":"med_100911_cb53012a9568adfb","agenda_item_id":null,"speaker_id":"spk_100911_city_clerk","speaker_confidence":1,"start_sec":2497.47,"end_sec":2499.51,"text":"Thank you. That's six yes votes, zero no votes. Motion carries.","topics_json":"[\"zoning\"]","vector_id":"vec_seg_100911_128","created_at":"2026-10-31T08:18:21Z","speaker_name":"City Clerk"},{"id":"seg_100911_129","meeting_id":"100911","media_asset_id":"med_100911_cb53012a9568adfb","agenda_item_id":null,"speaker_id":"spk_100911_denny","speaker_confidence":1,"start_sec":2500.12,"end_sec":2529.39,"text":"Thank you. So the architectural review report revision plan is hereby accepted unanimously by this group. Thank you all.","topics_json":"[\"zoning\"]","vector_id":"vec_seg_100911_129","created_at":"2026-10-31T08:18:21Z","speaker_name":"Denny"},{"id":"seg_100911_13","meeting_id":"100911","media_asset_id":"med_100911_cb53012a9568adfb","agenda_item_id":null,"speaker_id":"spk_100911_joan_denney","speaker_confidence":1,"start_sec":300.53,"end_sec":301.13,"text":"Present.","topics_json":"[]","vector_id":"vec_seg_100911_13","created_at":"2026-10-31T08:18:21Z","speaker_name":"Joan Denney"},{"id":"seg_100911_130","meeting_id":"100911","media_asset_id":"med_100911_cb53012a9568adfb","agenda_item_id":null,"speaker_id":"spk_100911_denny","speaker_confidence":1,"start_sec":2538.83,"end_sec":2557.77,"text":"Okay. So moving right along, if I can catch up here, um we have next on the agenda are new applications. The first of those being uh application US-26-01 Dover Commerce Park Comprehensive Signage Plan. Um We'll have a staff presentation, but you're here too? Okay, so","topics_json":"[\"zoning\",\"business\"]","vector_id":"vec_seg_100911_130","created_at":"2026-10-31T08:18:21Z","speaker_name":"Denny"},{"id":"seg_100911_131","meeting_id":"100911","media_asset_id":"med_100911_cb53012a9568adfb","agenda_item_id":null,"speaker_id":"spk_100911_maucher","speaker_confidence":1,"start_sec":2558.25,"end_sec":2560.71,"text":"We'll uh we'll tell you when we know when we're ready. Okay.","topics_json":"[\"zoning\"]","vector_id":"vec_seg_100911_131","created_at":"2026-10-31T08:18:21Z","speaker_name":"Maucher"},{"id":"seg_100911_132","meeting_id":"100911","media_asset_id":"med_100911_cb53012a9568adfb","agenda_item_id":null,"speaker_id":"spk_100911_dawn_melson_williams","speaker_confidence":1,"start_sec":2562.28,"end_sec":2610.97,"text":"So as the applicant comes forward to the podium to go ahead and sign in, the planning staff will give a brief overview of this um application. Um this, as noted, is a unified comprehensive signage plan for the property uh known as the Dover Commerce Park. It was uh went through our review process as the Dover Industrial Park. Uh the property is located at 350 Lafferty Lane here in Dover. Um the overall site is just over 9.7 uh acres of land and was um originally went through the review process here with the Planning Commission for um the development of the site.","topics_json":"[\"zoning\",\"business\"]","vector_id":"vec_seg_100911_132","created_at":"2026-10-31T08:18:21Z","speaker_name":"Dawn Melson-Williams"},{"id":"seg_100911_133","meeting_id":"100911","media_asset_id":"med_100911_cb53012a9568adfb","agenda_item_id":null,"speaker_id":"spk_100911_dawn_melson_williams","speaker_confidence":1,"start_sec":2616.14,"end_sec":2662.49,"text":"Uh Ultimately, they are proposing three warehouse-type buildings. Uh Building A, which was Phase 1, um has been constructed and we're working through tenant fit-outs for portions of that building. Um the Phase 2, which will build Buildings B and Building C on the site, um was reviewed as site plan S-25-10 um Dover Industrial Phase 2, and that is working through its uh check print review process on that final um plan.","topics_json":"[\"zoning\",\"business\"]","vector_id":"vec_seg_100911_133","created_at":"2026-10-31T08:18:21Z","speaker_name":"Dawn Melson-Williams"},{"id":"seg_100911_134","meeting_id":"100911","media_asset_id":"med_100911_cb53012a9568adfb","agenda_item_id":null,"speaker_id":"spk_100911_dawn_melson_williams","speaker_confidence":1,"start_sec":2662.85,"end_sec":2711.97,"text":"Uh Noting that there are three buildings um with this project um is key because with uh any campus that has um three buildings, three main buildings such as this, uh it qualifies for consideration of a unified comprehensive sign plan. So if we go to the kind of the site plan image, um we will see, hopefully, yep. Um so this is the the plan that shows the entire um property. Uh What's shown in the kind of the pinkish color, when it comes back up, there we go, um that's the building A, or the Phase 1, which also included improve-","topics_json":"[\"zoning\",\"business\"]","vector_id":"vec_seg_100911_134","created_at":"2026-10-31T08:18:21Z","speaker_name":"Dawn Melson-Williams"},{"id":"seg_100911_135","meeting_id":"100911","media_asset_id":"med_100911_cb53012a9568adfb","agenda_item_id":null,"speaker_id":"spk_100911_dawn_melson_williams","speaker_confidence":0.9,"start_sec":2711.97,"end_sec":2723.81,"text":"amendments to a storm water management plan and they're working through the final details to be able to finalize the plan for the phase two which is in blue. Um, so","topics_json":"[\"zoning\",\"business\"]","vector_id":"vec_seg_100911_135","created_at":"2026-10-31T08:18:21Z","speaker_name":"Dawn Melson-Williams"},{"id":"seg_100911_136","meeting_id":"100911","media_asset_id":"med_100911_cb53012a9568adfb","agenda_item_id":null,"speaker_id":"spk_100911_dawn_melson_williams","speaker_confidence":0.9,"start_sec":2724.77,"end_sec":2750.31,"text":"with a comprehensive sign plan, it allows the planning commission to consider um alternatives to our regular sign regulations, which are part of the zoning ordinance. Um, our sign regulations are based on the type of road and the proximity to um residential of that of that property. So with this proposal,","topics_json":"[\"zoning\"]","vector_id":"vec_seg_100911_136","created_at":"2026-10-31T08:18:21Z","speaker_name":"Dawn Melson-Williams"},{"id":"seg_100911_137","meeting_id":"100911","media_asset_id":"med_100911_cb53012a9568adfb","agenda_item_id":null,"speaker_id":"spk_100911_dawn_melson_williams","speaker_confidence":0.9,"start_sec":2753.25,"end_sec":2766.69,"text":"uh they are bringing to us uh one sign. Uh it is a freestanding sign that will be located uh kind of on the east end of their parking lot um near Lafferty Lane.","topics_json":"[\"zoning\"]","vector_id":"vec_seg_100911_137","created_at":"2026-10-31T08:18:21Z","speaker_name":"Dawn Melson-Williams"},{"id":"seg_100911_138","meeting_id":"100911","media_asset_id":"med_100911_cb53012a9568adfb","agenda_item_id":null,"speaker_id":"spk_100911_dawn_melson_williams","speaker_confidence":0.9,"start_sec":2767.41,"end_sec":2819.01,"text":"The the sign uh is near the entrance uh to the property um, which is actually a shared entrance with its neighbor to the east. Uh, and what you see on screen for the Dover Commerce Park is the proposal for this freestanding sign. Um, it generally meets the","topics_json":"[\"zoning\",\"business\"]","vector_id":"vec_seg_100911_138","created_at":"2026-10-31T08:18:21Z","speaker_name":"Dawn Melson-Williams"},{"id":"seg_100911_139","meeting_id":"100911","media_asset_id":"med_100911_cb53012a9568adfb","agenda_item_id":null,"speaker_id":"spk_100911_dawn_melson_williams","speaker_confidence":0.9,"start_sec":2829.41,"end_sec":2868.45,"text":"description of what we deem as a monument sign. Uh, it's a little wider than it is tall. Um, however, the planning commission is being asked to consider some alternatives to the strict um provisions that are established in the the city's uh sign regulations. Uh, specifically those related to overall height of the sign and then the number of tenants that uh receive kind of a tenant space on the on the sign itself.","topics_json":"[\"zoning\"]","vector_id":"vec_seg_100911_139","created_at":"2026-10-31T08:18:21Z","speaker_name":"Dawn Melson-Williams"},{"id":"seg_100911_14","meeting_id":"100911","media_asset_id":"med_100911_cb53012a9568adfb","agenda_item_id":null,"speaker_id":"spk_100911_city_clerk","speaker_confidence":1,"start_sec":301.43,"end_sec":302.33,"text":"Mrs. Maucher?","topics_json":"[]","vector_id":"vec_seg_100911_14","created_at":"2026-10-31T08:18:21Z","speaker_name":"City Clerk"},{"id":"seg_100911_140","meeting_id":"100911","media_asset_id":"med_100911_cb53012a9568adfb","agenda_item_id":null,"speaker_id":"spk_100911_dawn_melson_williams","speaker_confidence":0.9,"start_sec":2869.09,"end_sec":2927.33,"text":"Uh, so the strict interpretation of the sign regulations would limit this sign to 7 ft in height. Um, this current version of the sign that the applicant is has brought to us um is has an overall height of 9 ft 4 in. Uh, so it's a it's a little taller than what is","topics_json":"[\"zoning\"]","vector_id":"vec_seg_100911_140","created_at":"2026-10-31T08:18:21Z","speaker_name":"Dawn Melson-Williams"},{"id":"seg_100911_141","meeting_id":"100911","media_asset_id":"med_100911_cb53012a9568adfb","agenda_item_id":null,"speaker_id":"spk_100911_dawn_melson_williams","speaker_confidence":0.9,"start_sec":2931.01,"end_sec":2957.89,"text":"typically allowed under basically if we wanted to review it through a sign permit review process with staff. Um, the other item is related to the tenant spaces, those panels. Uh, the design guidelines for our sign regulations would limit that to three tenants. Um, they're asking for the ability to provide space for seven tenants.","topics_json":"[\"zoning\"]","vector_id":"vec_seg_100911_141","created_at":"2026-10-31T08:18:21Z","speaker_name":"Dawn Melson-Williams"},{"id":"seg_100911_142","meeting_id":"100911","media_asset_id":"med_100911_cb53012a9568adfb","agenda_item_id":null,"speaker_id":"spk_100911_dawn_melson_williams","speaker_confidence":0.9,"start_sec":2959.01,"end_sec":3021.25,"text":"Uh, the planning staff is recommending approval of this uh version of the monument sign for the Dover Commerce Park. Um, we have worked with the applicant. Some of their earlier um versions of this sign were one in a different location and and took a very different format. Um, this is just this their comprehensive sign plan for this project just focuses on this one sign. Any additional signage","topics_json":"[\"zoning\",\"business\"]","vector_id":"vec_seg_100911_142","created_at":"2026-10-31T08:18:21Z","speaker_name":"Dawn Melson-Williams"},{"id":"seg_100911_143","meeting_id":"100911","media_asset_id":"med_100911_cb53012a9568adfb","agenda_item_id":null,"speaker_id":"spk_100911_dawn_melson_williams","speaker_confidence":0.9,"start_sec":3031.41,"end_sec":3070.29,"text":"uh on the campus would be subject to our regular sign regulations which um prescribe the limitations on things such as wall signs. Um, there is the ability to do some directional signage on site without a permit. Um, but this is what is before the commission tonight. The comprehensive sign plan does uh charge the planning commission with, in reviewing this, uh to take a look at um whether the size and complexity of the campus warrants the need for the types of signage under these provisions,","topics_json":"[\"zoning\"]","vector_id":"vec_seg_100911_143","created_at":"2026-10-31T08:18:21Z","speaker_name":"Dawn Melson-Williams"},{"id":"seg_100911_144","meeting_id":"100911","media_asset_id":"med_100911_cb53012a9568adfb","agenda_item_id":null,"speaker_id":"spk_100911_dawn_melson_williams","speaker_confidence":0.9,"start_sec":3071.73,"end_sec":3156.61,"text":"um also looking at the number and type of entrances and how the sign is placed near those entrances. And then the signage proposed is adequate to safely direct the public um to these uh to the uses on the site. Um, and whether also you have to look at if the proposed sign to ensure it will not have adverse um impact on the visibility of neighboring signs uh and then also that it is uh the sign itself is generally of a style and color to compliment the architecture of the site and the area in general.","topics_json":"[\"zoning\"]","vector_id":"vec_seg_100911_144","created_at":"2026-10-31T08:18:21Z","speaker_name":"Dawn Melson-Williams"},{"id":"seg_100911_145","meeting_id":"100911","media_asset_id":"med_100911_cb53012a9568adfb","agenda_item_id":null,"speaker_id":"spk_100911_dawn_melson_williams","speaker_confidence":0.9,"start_sec":3157.65,"end_sec":3223.17,"text":"Um, I will note that uh this utilizes kind of a blue color for the base. That blue a blue color is also found in um the exterior um wall surfaces of at least building A at this point. Um, the kind of the end end tenant spaces have a have a blue that's utilized where the rest of the the wall system is kind of a series of grays. Um, so this evening you can hear from the applicant to talk about um this request for signage.","topics_json":"[\"zoning\"]","vector_id":"vec_seg_100911_145","created_at":"2026-10-31T08:18:21Z","speaker_name":"Dawn Melson-Williams"},{"id":"seg_100911_146","meeting_id":"100911","media_asset_id":"med_100911_cb53012a9568adfb","agenda_item_id":null,"speaker_id":"spk_100911_dawn_melson_williams","speaker_confidence":0.9,"start_sec":3230.69,"end_sec":3243.01,"text":"Uh this is subject to public hearing, so we will need to conduct a public hearing um before you take action. So return to madam chair. I think we're ready to hear from the applicant.","topics_json":"[\"zoning\"]","vector_id":"vec_seg_100911_146","created_at":"2026-10-31T08:18:21Z","speaker_name":"Dawn Melson-Williams"},{"id":"seg_100911_147","meeting_id":"100911","media_asset_id":"med_100911_cb53012a9568adfb","agenda_item_id":null,"speaker_id":"spk_100911_chair","speaker_confidence":0.9,"start_sec":3244.69,"end_sec":3245.89,"text":"Okay, you're on.","topics_json":"[]","vector_id":"vec_seg_100911_147","created_at":"2026-10-31T08:18:21Z","speaker_name":null},{"id":"seg_100911_148","meeting_id":"100911","media_asset_id":"med_100911_cb53012a9568adfb","agenda_item_id":null,"speaker_id":"spk_100911_chris_evans","speaker_confidence":0.9,"start_sec":3246.13,"end_sec":3268.69,"text":"Thank you, Madam Chair. Thank you, Dawn. Uh, yes, I'm with Coastal Commercial Construction. My name's Chris Evans. I'm a project manager for this Dover Commerce Park. We're proposing this um monument sign, let's call it, uh for this business park. Um, I think it fits in with the design at least of building A right now, which is 54,000 square ft.","topics_json":"[\"zoning\",\"business\"]","vector_id":"vec_seg_100911_148","created_at":"2026-10-31T08:18:21Z","speaker_name":"Chris Evans"},{"id":"seg_100911_149","meeting_id":"100911","media_asset_id":"med_100911_cb53012a9568adfb","agenda_item_id":null,"speaker_id":"spk_100911_chris_evans","speaker_confidence":0.9,"start_sec":3269.41,"end_sec":3344.45,"text":"Potential, we do have two tenants in uh right now. We're looking at getting a third tenant to take the remainder of the building. Uh we're proposing in phase two to uh build a 45,000 square foot building. Uh and phase uh the third building in phase two will be proposed to be 133,000 square foot building. Uh that's why we're proposing the um seven tenant uh spaces on the sign. Uh the sign will fit in well with the uh architecture of at least building A at this point.","topics_json":"[\"zoning\",\"business\"]","vector_id":"vec_seg_100911_149","created_at":"2026-10-31T08:18:21Z","speaker_name":"Chris Evans"},{"id":"seg_100911_15","meeting_id":"100911","media_asset_id":"med_100911_cb53012a9568adfb","agenda_item_id":null,"speaker_id":"spk_100911_andrea_maucher","speaker_confidence":1,"start_sec":302.33,"end_sec":303.53,"text":"Present.","topics_json":"[]","vector_id":"vec_seg_100911_15","created_at":"2026-10-31T08:18:21Z","speaker_name":"Andrea Maucher"},{"id":"seg_100911_150","meeting_id":"100911","media_asset_id":"med_100911_cb53012a9568adfb","agenda_item_id":null,"speaker_id":"spk_100911_chair","speaker_confidence":0.9,"start_sec":3352.45,"end_sec":3359.73,"text":"Do any of the members have any questions or comments for Mr. Evans?","topics_json":"[]","vector_id":"vec_seg_100911_150","created_at":"2026-10-31T08:18:21Z","speaker_name":null},{"id":"seg_100911_151","meeting_id":"100911","media_asset_id":"med_100911_cb53012a9568adfb","agenda_item_id":null,"speaker_id":"spk_100911_kathleen_mauger","speaker_confidence":0.9,"start_sec":3364.29,"end_sec":3369.81,"text":"Hello, Mr. Evans. Um are there signs along Lafferty for other um businesses?","topics_json":"[\"zoning\"]","vector_id":"vec_seg_100911_151","created_at":"2026-10-31T08:18:21Z","speaker_name":"Kathleen Mauger"},{"id":"seg_100911_152","meeting_id":"100911","media_asset_id":"med_100911_cb53012a9568adfb","agenda_item_id":null,"speaker_id":"spk_100911_chris_evans","speaker_confidence":0.9,"start_sec":3370.05,"end_sec":3370.69,"text":"Pardon me?","topics_json":"[]","vector_id":"vec_seg_100911_152","created_at":"2026-10-31T08:18:21Z","speaker_name":"Chris Evans"},{"id":"seg_100911_153","meeting_id":"100911","media_asset_id":"med_100911_cb53012a9568adfb","agenda_item_id":null,"speaker_id":"spk_100911_kathleen_mauger","speaker_confidence":0.9,"start_sec":3370.85,"end_sec":3373.65,"text":"Are there other signs along, like monument signs, or other types of signs?","topics_json":"[\"zoning\"]","vector_id":"vec_seg_100911_153","created_at":"2026-10-31T08:18:21Z","speaker_name":"Kathleen Mauger"},{"id":"seg_100911_154","meeting_id":"100911","media_asset_id":"med_100911_cb53012a9568adfb","agenda_item_id":null,"speaker_id":"spk_100911_chris_evans","speaker_confidence":0.9,"start_sec":3373.81,"end_sec":3390.93,"text":"There are across the street, there's a smaller uh business park. Um they do have, they used to have just a plywood sign on two 4x4 posts, and they did recently install a new sign uh with multiple uh tenants on their sign as well.","topics_json":"[\"zoning\",\"business\"]","vector_id":"vec_seg_100911_154","created_at":"2026-10-31T08:18:21Z","speaker_name":"Chris Evans"},{"id":"seg_100911_155","meeting_id":"100911","media_asset_id":"med_100911_cb53012a9568adfb","agenda_item_id":null,"speaker_id":"spk_100911_kathleen_mauger","speaker_confidence":0.9,"start_sec":3391.49,"end_sec":3392.69,"text":"Okay. Thank you.","topics_json":"[]","vector_id":"vec_seg_100911_155","created_at":"2026-10-31T08:18:21Z","speaker_name":"Kathleen Mauger"},{"id":"seg_100911_156","meeting_id":"100911","media_asset_id":"med_100911_cb53012a9568adfb","agenda_item_id":null,"speaker_id":"spk_100911_dawn_melson_williams","speaker_confidence":0.9,"start_sec":3447.57,"end_sec":3452.93,"text":"Uh, Mr. Reeves, um do you have any questions um regarding this application?","topics_json":"[]","vector_id":"vec_seg_100911_156","created_at":"2026-10-31T08:18:21Z","speaker_name":"Dawn Melson-Williams"},{"id":"seg_100911_157","meeting_id":"100911","media_asset_id":"med_100911_cb53012a9568adfb","agenda_item_id":null,"speaker_id":"spk_100911_mr_reeves","speaker_confidence":0.9,"start_sec":3454.05,"end_sec":3456.45,"text":"No, I don't have any questions at this time.","topics_json":"[]","vector_id":"vec_seg_100911_157","created_at":"2026-10-31T08:18:21Z","speaker_name":"Mr. Reeves"},{"id":"seg_100911_158","meeting_id":"100911","media_asset_id":"med_100911_cb53012a9568adfb","agenda_item_id":null,"speaker_id":"spk_100911_unknown_speaker","speaker_confidence":0.8,"start_sec":3457.73,"end_sec":3459.33,"text":"No, I don't either.","topics_json":"[]","vector_id":"vec_seg_100911_158","created_at":"2026-10-31T08:18:21Z","speaker_name":null},{"id":"seg_100911_159","meeting_id":"100911","media_asset_id":"med_100911_cb53012a9568adfb","agenda_item_id":null,"speaker_id":"spk_100911_chair","speaker_confidence":0.9,"start_sec":3467.73,"end_sec":3468.93,"text":"So, um","topics_json":"[]","vector_id":"vec_seg_100911_159","created_at":"2026-10-31T08:18:21Z","speaker_name":null},{"id":"seg_100911_16","meeting_id":"100911","media_asset_id":"med_100911_cb53012a9568adfb","agenda_item_id":null,"speaker_id":"spk_100911_city_clerk","speaker_confidence":1,"start_sec":303.53,"end_sec":304.74,"text":"Mr. Baldwin?","topics_json":"[]","vector_id":"vec_seg_100911_16","created_at":"2026-10-31T08:18:21Z","speaker_name":"City Clerk"},{"id":"seg_100911_160","meeting_id":"100911","media_asset_id":"med_100911_cb53012a9568adfb","agenda_item_id":null,"speaker_id":"spk_100911_dawn_melson_williams","speaker_confidence":0.9,"start_sec":3470.13,"end_sec":3512.77,"text":"So, you need to conduct the public hearing.","topics_json":"[]","vector_id":"vec_seg_100911_160","created_at":"2026-10-31T08:18:21Z","speaker_name":"Dawn Melson-Williams"},{"id":"seg_100911_161","meeting_id":"100911","media_asset_id":"med_100911_cb53012a9568adfb","agenda_item_id":null,"speaker_id":"spk_100911_chair","speaker_confidence":0.9,"start_sec":3512.53,"end_sec":3525.01,"text":"hearing. So at this point um we'll we'll call to order a public hearing. And you can have a seat or stand, whatever works best for you.","topics_json":"[]","vector_id":"vec_seg_100911_161","created_at":"2026-10-31T08:18:21Z","speaker_name":null},{"id":"seg_100911_162","meeting_id":"100911","media_asset_id":"med_100911_cb53012a9568adfb","agenda_item_id":null,"speaker_id":"spk_100911_chris_evans","speaker_confidence":0.9,"start_sec":3525.25,"end_sec":3526.69,"text":"Okay. Thank you.","topics_json":"[]","vector_id":"vec_seg_100911_162","created_at":"2026-10-31T08:18:22Z","speaker_name":"Chris Evans"},{"id":"seg_100911_163","meeting_id":"100911","media_asset_id":"med_100911_cb53012a9568adfb","agenda_item_id":null,"speaker_id":"spk_100911_chair","speaker_confidence":0.9,"start_sec":3528.21,"end_sec":3547.57,"text":"So um calling to order, opening a public meeting on application US-26-01 Dover Commercial Industrial Park comprehensive sign proposal.","topics_json":"[\"zoning\",\"business\"]","vector_id":"vec_seg_100911_163","created_at":"2026-10-31T08:18:22Z","speaker_name":null},{"id":"seg_100911_164","meeting_id":"100911","media_asset_id":"med_100911_cb53012a9568adfb","agenda_item_id":null,"speaker_id":"spk_100911_dawn_melson_williams","speaker_confidence":0.9,"start_sec":3550.69,"end_sec":3615.96,"text":"So Madam Chair, I'm going to out, this is Dawn in the planning office. Um there are no members of the public wishing to speak in the room. Um I do want to, for the record, go to those that have joined us online. Um our call-in uh user, um can you identify yourself for the record? Um and I think you mentioned that you had no questions or comments, uh but just so that we capture that.","topics_json":"[\"zoning\"]","vector_id":"vec_seg_100911_164","created_at":"2026-10-31T08:18:22Z","speaker_name":"Dawn Melson-Williams"},{"id":"seg_100911_165","meeting_id":"100911","media_asset_id":"med_100911_cb53012a9568adfb","agenda_item_id":null,"speaker_id":"spk_100911_dawn_melson_williams","speaker_confidence":1,"start_sec":3615.96,"end_sec":3648.18,"text":"the Senate Joint Resolution 8, which is a housing and land use reform effort. One of the things that we've—they have flagged, we have flagged, is related to our active recreation requirements. As noted earlier in this meeting, the one of the council subcommittees heard this presentation last week. We felt it appropriate to bring to the Commission this evening, and with that, I'm going to turn it over to Tom, who has joined us online. We have the series of slides, and if you just say next slide, we can move through those so that they're visually on the screen for you. They were also provided in hard copy to the Planning Commission members as part of their meeting packet. So, Tom.","topics_json":"[\"housing\",\"zoning\"]","vector_id":"vec_seg_100911_165","created_at":"2026-10-31T08:18:22Z","speaker_name":"Dawn Melson-Williams"},{"id":"seg_100911_166","meeting_id":"100911","media_asset_id":"med_100911_cb53012a9568adfb","agenda_item_id":null,"speaker_id":"spk_100911_tom_west","speaker_confidence":1,"start_sec":3648.18,"end_sec":3679.5,"text":"Great. Thank you very much, and good evening, members of the Commission. As was mentioned, my name's Tom West. I'm a certified community planner with The Rossi Group and one of the team members working on the project that Mrs. Melson-Williams mentioned, which is a land use or zoning reform project. And one of the things that she described is we've looked at—we're basically looking at zoning and subdivision provisions and processes that each of the jurisdictions that we work with in, things that raise flags or things to be discussed.","topics_json":"[\"housing\",\"zoning\"]","vector_id":"vec_seg_100911_166","created_at":"2026-10-31T08:18:22Z","speaker_name":"Tom West"},{"id":"seg_100911_167","meeting_id":"100911","media_asset_id":"med_100911_cb53012a9568adfb","agenda_item_id":null,"speaker_id":"spk_100911_tom_west","speaker_confidence":1,"start_sec":3679.5,"end_sec":3703.37,"text":"And tonight, I'm here to talk about specifically open space, recreation, and public facilities provisions that are in place in your zoning ordinance in Section 10. So if we go to the next slide, please.","topics_json":"[\"zoning\"]","vector_id":"vec_seg_100911_167","created_at":"2026-10-31T08:18:22Z","speaker_name":"Tom West"},{"id":"seg_100911_168","meeting_id":"100911","media_asset_id":"med_100911_cb53012a9568adfb","agenda_item_id":null,"speaker_id":"spk_100911_tom_west","speaker_confidence":1,"start_sec":3703.37,"end_sec":3756.09,"text":"Just these are points on the on the project itself. It's a voluntary pilot program. It was started with Dover. We're looking at the regulatory analysis, and this it's we're looking, as I mentioned, at active recreation tonight requirements, and part of it is to look at some of the examples that have happened recently that create confusion or delay. Most notably are the Cecil Street townhouse townhome project and then Nixon Lane minor subdivision, which came up, I think, in the same meeting, and there was discussion about some of the provisions. I'm just put tossing them out there now, but we'll look at some details about how the code affected those and and other ones, too.","topics_json":"[\"housing\",\"zoning\"]","vector_id":"vec_seg_100911_168","created_at":"2026-10-31T08:18:22Z","speaker_name":"Tom West"},{"id":"seg_100911_169","meeting_id":"100911","media_asset_id":"med_100911_cb53012a9568adfb","agenda_item_id":null,"speaker_id":"spk_100911_tom_west","speaker_confidence":1,"start_sec":3756.09,"end_sec":3805.81,"text":"So if we'd look at the next slide, we'll get into some code language, not the most exciting things to look at, but basically what this is saying, and these are the details that are important, is for a recreation area in the city, a a development needs to provide 275 sq ft per dwelling unit or one-half acre. So that's pretty straightforward. That's an area size that if if development's coming in, they need to provide open space for, and Section 10 gives all the details about why open space and recreation are important. So this is the first detail, if you will, that we'll look at. And then the next slide.","topics_json":"[\"housing\",\"zoning\"]","vector_id":"vec_seg_100911_169","created_at":"2026-10-31T08:18:22Z","speaker_name":"Tom West"},{"id":"seg_100911_17","meeting_id":"100911","media_asset_id":"med_100911_cb53012a9568adfb","agenda_item_id":null,"speaker_id":"spk_100911_city_clerk","speaker_confidence":1,"start_sec":305.04,"end_sec":305.94,"text":"Dr. Jones?","topics_json":"[]","vector_id":"vec_seg_100911_17","created_at":"2026-10-31T08:18:21Z","speaker_name":"City Clerk"},{"id":"seg_100911_170","meeting_id":"100911","media_asset_id":"med_100911_cb53012a9568adfb","agenda_item_id":null,"speaker_id":"spk_100911_tom_west","speaker_confidence":1,"start_sec":3805.81,"end_sec":3828.72,"text":"So, with that requirement, there are some exceptions, and this is one of the things that where we were looking at. There's some overlap in these. I think the first two, which are different provisions in the ordinance, have different requirements or, in this case, exemptions. So that's part of the the the things that we're looking at is to is there conflicts or things that can be clearer. These are the exceptions, and we'll talk about those. They're basically exemptions from meeting that requirement for recreation area or fee that we'll talk about.","topics_json":"[\"zoning\"]","vector_id":"vec_seg_100911_170","created_at":"2026-10-31T08:18:22Z","speaker_name":"Tom West"},{"id":"seg_100911_171","meeting_id":"100911","media_asset_id":"med_100911_cb53012a9568adfb","agenda_item_id":null,"speaker_id":"spk_100911_tom_west","speaker_confidence":1,"start_sec":3828.72,"end_sec":3888.23,"text":"So the next slide talks about a cash-in-lieu. So if it can be if there are exceptions to providing recreation area, but you're supposed to provide a fee, there needs to be a determination on how to get to the fee. So in Dover's case, it's based on appraisal value of the land, the land that's under consideration, and that's part of the plan that was submitted to you. So to get the fee, an appraisal needs to be done for the value of that land if it were if it's to be developed, and that's they're not given the recreation area, they're providing money instead of it, based on some of the exceptions. And I'll talk about the the cash-in-lieu of, but, again, the main takeaway from this is you need an appraisal, which costs money, it takes time, and sometimes applicants aren't as familiar with it, especially smaller projects. That's where some of these more complex provisions come into play.","topics_json":"[\"housing\",\"zoning\"]","vector_id":"vec_seg_100911_171","created_at":"2026-10-31T08:18:22Z","speaker_name":"Tom West"},{"id":"seg_100911_172","meeting_id":"100911","media_asset_id":"med_100911_cb53012a9568adfb","agenda_item_id":null,"speaker_id":"spk_100911_tom_west","speaker_confidence":1,"start_sec":3888.23,"end_sec":3937.35,"text":"The next slide is also another section of the ordinance talks about the cash-in-lieu of for exceptions. So this is when it's a very small development, in this case less than five acres, so they're not providing their land, but they're providing a fee. Again, you need an appraisal for it. It's based on the gross land area, and the the applicant needs to provide that up front as part of the appraisal for the construction financing, money that they're doing for the appraisals for other things. So we talked about land, we talked about determining a fee. So if we go to the next slide,","topics_json":"[\"housing\",\"zoning\"]","vector_id":"vec_seg_100911_172","created_at":"2026-10-31T08:18:22Z","speaker_name":"Tom West"},{"id":"seg_100911_173","meeting_id":"100911","media_asset_id":"med_100911_cb53012a9568adfb","agenda_item_id":null,"speaker_id":"spk_100911_tom_west","speaker_confidence":1,"start_sec":3937.35,"end_sec":3980.75,"text":"So this this is just talking about, in general, some of the challenges with the process the way it's currently set up. There's too many carve-outs or and exceptions, and sometimes they're not always the same. So it's a confusing process going through the ordinance and for applicants to look at it, and I imagine the Planning Commission too, when you're looking at a plan, what is being required when the ordinance is saying different uh different provisions.","topics_json":"[\"zoning\"]","vector_id":"vec_seg_100911_173","created_at":"2026-10-31T08:18:22Z","speaker_name":"Tom West"},{"id":"seg_100911_174","meeting_id":"100911","media_asset_id":"med_100911_cb53012a9568adfb","agenda_item_id":null,"speaker_id":"spk_100911_tom_west","speaker_confidence":1,"start_sec":3980.75,"end_sec":3997.29,"text":"The second one is the cash-in in in-lieu. Again, I mentioned it: you need an appraisal for it. Sometimes it happens where smaller projects is coming in and they do the appraisal, and it's kind of a surprise to them at times that they need to do this, and then they're trying to secure construction financing, and all of a sudden they have a problem to to move forward with it.","topics_json":"[\"housing\",\"zoning\"]","vector_id":"vec_seg_100911_174","created_at":"2026-10-31T08:18:22Z","speaker_name":"Tom West"},{"id":"seg_100911_175","meeting_id":"100911","media_asset_id":"med_100911_cb53012a9568adfb","agenda_item_id":null,"speaker_id":"spk_100911_tom_west","speaker_confidence":1,"start_sec":3997.29,"end_sec":4010.21,"text":"And then the the third one is just saying really it it it none of these are really, I don't think, troubling for bigger developments or applicants who've been through the process before. I think the case where we're seeing the processes create bumps or challenges is on is on smaller projects.","topics_json":"[\"housing\",\"zoning\"]","vector_id":"vec_seg_100911_175","created_at":"2026-10-31T08:18:22Z","speaker_name":"Tom West"},{"id":"seg_100911_176","meeting_id":"100911","media_asset_id":"med_100911_cb53012a9568adfb","agenda_item_id":null,"speaker_id":"spk_100911_tom_west","speaker_confidence":1,"start_sec":4010.21,"end_sec":4057.16,"text":"So, the next slide, we're going to move on from this foundation I laid of you need area or a cash a cash-in-lieu of, meaning dollars, for open space and recreation. So we're suggesting, as part of this process to promote affordable housing and, looking at your code, are there ways to clear up provisions? Open space is very important, and it's needed, but is it can it be clarified so especially smaller projects don't get caught up in some of the complexities of it?","topics_json":"[\"housing\",\"zoning\"]","vector_id":"vec_seg_100911_176","created_at":"2026-10-31T08:18:22Z","speaker_name":"Tom West"},{"id":"seg_100911_177","meeting_id":"100911","media_asset_id":"med_100911_cb53012a9568adfb","agenda_item_id":null,"speaker_id":"spk_100911_tom_west","speaker_confidence":1,"start_sec":4057.16,"end_sec":4117.1,"text":"So this slide's showing a new approach where there's different tiers. Our our analysis and and discussions with city staff is it's really not impacting the larger developments like Bay Village, ones like that. It's the smaller developments that it becomes confusing or causes delays or causes because people, when we're going through it, it's just not as they're not as aware of it, and it causes problems as the process unfolds. And there's also, at the bottom, minor subdivisions. We're saying that recommending that certain ones be exempt: minor lot line changes and minor subdivisions. But that third one down, for projects under those thresholds, meaning they're under the major subdivisions, conditional use site plans, a flat fee could be established instead of an appraised fee. Fee, excuse me.","topics_json":"[\"housing\",\"zoning\"]","vector_id":"vec_seg_100911_177","created_at":"2026-10-31T08:18:22Z","speaker_name":"Tom West"},{"id":"seg_100911_178","meeting_id":"100911","media_asset_id":"med_100911_cb53012a9568adfb","agenda_item_id":null,"speaker_id":"spk_100911_tom_west","speaker_confidence":1,"start_sec":4117.1,"end_sec":4168.8,"text":"If we go onto the next slide, we'll clarify what we mean by this, but this is that's basically the slide that's showing the suggested approach to move forward. So instead of a cash-in-lieu of with an appraisal, we're we looked at other flat fees in the area. So this these are some of the examples in nearby communities: Harrington, Smyrna, New Castle County, and Delaware City. So we we look at those, and and we're saying that these are they're not impact fees, but they're instead of a cash-in-lieu of for an appraisal, just set a flat fee, and it becomes much clearer in your in your ordinance and then to applicants that are going through the process if they're just dealing with that dollar value up front.","topics_json":"[\"housing\",\"zoning\"]","vector_id":"vec_seg_100911_178","created_at":"2026-10-31T08:18:22Z","speaker_name":"Tom West"},{"id":"seg_100911_179","meeting_id":"100911","media_asset_id":"med_100911_cb53012a9568adfb","agenda_item_id":null,"speaker_id":"spk_100911_tom_west","speaker_confidence":1,"start_sec":4168.8,"end_sec":4188.04,"text":"The next slide is showing some comparisons of how the the areas are broken down. So in Newark and Smyrna, you can see this is back to the recreation area, how much is required. Right now, Dover's requiring 250 sq ft or half an acre. We're looking at some of the land dedication examples in other communities such as this tiered one in Newark or 15% in Smyrna.","topics_json":"[\"housing\",\"zoning\"]","vector_id":"vec_seg_100911_179","created_at":"2026-10-31T08:18:22Z","speaker_name":"Tom West"},{"id":"seg_100911_18","meeting_id":"100911","media_asset_id":"med_100911_cb53012a9568adfb","agenda_item_id":null,"speaker_id":"spk_100911_bobby_jones","speaker_confidence":1,"start_sec":305.94,"end_sec":306.84,"text":"Present.","topics_json":"[]","vector_id":"vec_seg_100911_18","created_at":"2026-10-31T08:18:21Z","speaker_name":"Bobby Jones"},{"id":"seg_100911_180","meeting_id":"100911","media_asset_id":"med_100911_cb53012a9568adfb","agenda_item_id":null,"speaker_id":"spk_100911_tom_west","speaker_confidence":1,"start_sec":4188.04,"end_sec":4243.11,"text":"The next slide is similar. It's showing, instead of other communities, some recent developments, how much have they dedicated to the recreation area going forward. So this is, Bay Village is at the top, and the two the two ones lower are more in the city proper, if you will. You can see their the different unit sizes and how much site area there is, and then how much of the recreation area was provided as part of the approved plans moving forward for these developments. So things that we looked at as we were comparing how to approach the the overall process if we can streamline it.","topics_json":"[\"housing\",\"zoning\"]","vector_id":"vec_seg_100911_180","created_at":"2026-10-31T08:18:22Z","speaker_name":"Tom West"},{"id":"seg_100911_181","meeting_id":"100911","media_asset_id":"med_100911_cb53012a9568adfb","agenda_item_id":null,"speaker_id":"spk_100911_tom_west","speaker_confidence":1,"start_sec":4243.11,"end_sec":4248.82,"text":"So, back to that— I'm sorry, did someone have a question? Okay.","topics_json":"[]","vector_id":"vec_seg_100911_181","created_at":"2026-10-31T08:18:22Z","speaker_name":"Tom West"},{"id":"seg_100911_182","meeting_id":"100911","media_asset_id":"med_100911_cb53012a9568adfb","agenda_item_id":null,"speaker_id":"spk_100911_tom_west","speaker_confidence":1,"start_sec":4248.82,"end_sec":4348.79,"text":"So the next slide is kind of a wrap-up. This is this is this is the information that we've we're we've looked at as part of just this one section of the code for open space and recreation. We think open space and recreation is very important. Summary of it is that the the provisions work well for larger developments, but we think that they're smaller developments coming in, infill developments, where it might be too much for them or there are definitely there's some things that might be conflicts in the ordinance to look at cleaning up. Back So what we're looking for is: is there support for that general framework? And we can go back to that, but the top two tiers would stay pretty much the same. The bottom one, we would be exempting very small developments from the requirements, as a suggestion. And the middle one is to just change the fee-in-lieu-of calculations instead of a appraised fee to a flat fee. So we're looking for your thoughts on that general framework. Should minor subdivisions be exempt or subject to a flat fee? Right now there's they are subject to a flat fee. And is there a general sense of what the area requirements should be for land, or based on a gross land area of or density?","topics_json":"[\"housing\",\"zoning\"]","vector_id":"vec_seg_100911_182","created_at":"2026-10-31T08:18:22Z","speaker_name":"Tom West"},{"id":"seg_100911_183","meeting_id":"100911","media_asset_id":"med_100911_cb53012a9568adfb","agenda_item_id":null,"speaker_id":"spk_100911_tom_west","speaker_confidence":1,"start_sec":4348.79,"end_sec":4355.83,"text":"And with that, I'll turn it back over to the Commission and Madam Chair if there's any questions to start off with for me that I can hopefully clarify for you.","topics_json":"[]","vector_id":"vec_seg_100911_183","created_at":"2026-10-31T08:18:22Z","speaker_name":"Tom West"},{"id":"seg_100911_184","meeting_id":"100911","media_asset_id":"med_100911_cb53012a9568adfb","agenda_item_id":null,"speaker_id":"spk_100911_chair","speaker_confidence":1,"start_sec":4355.83,"end_sec":4361.9,"text":"Thank you. Um, do any of the Commission members have any questions, or thoughts, or comments?","topics_json":"[]","vector_id":"vec_seg_100911_184","created_at":"2026-10-31T08:18:22Z","speaker_name":null},{"id":"seg_100911_185","meeting_id":"100911","media_asset_id":"med_100911_cb53012a9568adfb","agenda_item_id":null,"speaker_id":"spk_100911_male_commissioner","speaker_confidence":1,"start_sec":4361.9,"end_sec":4418.95,"text":"Madam Chair, just just a comment or two. I was on the panel, the City Council or subcommittee panel that heard this last week, and just in general the City Council seemed sympathetic to the, you know, revision proposals, and they seem It to me, it seems like common sense to make some revisions, and it did to them as well. I think particularly of our friend with the Cecil Street townhouses who have been who's been here multiple times and to that other panel multiple times going back and forth on, you know, what his cash-in-lieu would be, etcetera, etcetera. So ideally we'd be encouraging more people like that, and things as it as the as they stand, I could see that where that would get in the way of somebody wanting to do that, to be forced to come back multiple times for something like this. So, I'm in favor of revisions. Thanks.","topics_json":"[\"housing\",\"zoning\"]","vector_id":"vec_seg_100911_185","created_at":"2026-10-31T08:18:22Z","speaker_name":null},{"id":"seg_100911_186","meeting_id":"100911","media_asset_id":"med_100911_cb53012a9568adfb","agenda_item_id":null,"speaker_id":"spk_100911_chair","speaker_confidence":1,"start_sec":4418.95,"end_sec":4421.84,"text":"Does anybody else have any thoughts or comments?","topics_json":"[]","vector_id":"vec_seg_100911_186","created_at":"2026-10-31T08:18:22Z","speaker_name":null},{"id":"seg_100911_187","meeting_id":"100911","media_asset_id":"med_100911_cb53012a9568adfb","agenda_item_id":null,"speaker_id":"spk_100911_andrea_maucher","speaker_confidence":1,"start_sec":4421.84,"end_sec":4429.89,"text":"This is Andrea, I do have a couple. So, currently, the cash-in-lieu, does that go to general fund, or is there a dedicated capital park improvement fund?","topics_json":"[\"budget\",\"zoning\"]","vector_id":"vec_seg_100911_187","created_at":"2026-10-31T08:18:22Z","speaker_name":"Andrea Maucher"},{"id":"seg_100911_188","meeting_id":"100911","media_asset_id":"med_100911_cb53012a9568adfb","agenda_item_id":null,"speaker_id":"spk_100911_dawn_melson_williams","speaker_confidence":1,"start_sec":4429.89,"end_sec":4472.34,"text":"So this is Dawn with the planning staff. The question is about, when that cash-in-lieu payment occurs, where does it go? It is very specifically in our code that it must be designated for a Parks and Recreation fund. So it goes into a fund that can be utilized for park and recreation improvements city-wide. So it is a specific pot of money.","topics_json":"[\"budget\",\"zoning\"]","vector_id":"vec_seg_100911_188","created_at":"2026-10-31T08:18:22Z","speaker_name":"Dawn Melson-Williams"},{"id":"seg_100911_189","meeting_id":"100911","media_asset_id":"med_100911_cb53012a9568adfb","agenda_item_id":null,"speaker_id":"spk_100911_andrea_maucher","speaker_confidence":1,"start_sec":4472.34,"end_sec":4474.2,"text":"Is it specifically for capital improvements, or...?","topics_json":"[\"budget\",\"zoning\"]","vector_id":"vec_seg_100911_189","created_at":"2026-10-31T08:18:22Z","speaker_name":"Andrea Maucher"},{"id":"seg_100911_19","meeting_id":"100911","media_asset_id":"med_100911_cb53012a9568adfb","agenda_item_id":null,"speaker_id":"spk_100911_city_clerk","speaker_confidence":1,"start_sec":307.14,"end_sec":308.34,"text":"Mr. Reeves?","topics_json":"[]","vector_id":"vec_seg_100911_19","created_at":"2026-10-31T08:18:21Z","speaker_name":"City Clerk"},{"id":"seg_100911_190","meeting_id":"100911","media_asset_id":"med_100911_cb53012a9568adfb","agenda_item_id":null,"speaker_id":"spk_100911_dawn_melson_williams","speaker_confidence":1,"start_sec":4474.2,"end_sec":4492.9,"text":"I'm not sure if it's specifically listed for only capital improvements. I think that is what it has trended to be used for. I'm not sure if it can be utilized for any kind of programming-type efforts as well. In the past, I know they've used it for like replacing playground equipment, things of that nature, but that is certainly something that could be clarified moving forward.","topics_json":"[\"budget\",\"zoning\"]","vector_id":"vec_seg_100911_190","created_at":"2026-10-31T08:18:22Z","speaker_name":"Dawn Melson-Williams"},{"id":"seg_100911_191","meeting_id":"100911","media_asset_id":"med_100911_cb53012a9568adfb","agenda_item_id":null,"speaker_id":"spk_100911_andrea_maucher","speaker_confidence":1,"start_sec":4492.9,"end_sec":4519.95,"text":"Thank you. Also on the...","topics_json":"[]","vector_id":"vec_seg_100911_191","created_at":"2026-10-31T08:18:22Z","speaker_name":"Andrea Maucher"},{"id":"seg_100911_192","meeting_id":"100911","media_asset_id":"med_100911_cb53012a9568adfb","agenda_item_id":null,"speaker_id":"spk_100911_planning_commission_member","speaker_confidence":0.85,"start_sec":4521.43,"end_sec":4550.08,"text":"I'm I'm more sympathetic to duplexes and townhomes that don't have, um, yard yards necessarily available. Um, but when why were single-family detached homes thrown into into that grouping? I mean they they have yards and then and also was the is any con- consideration given to the proximity to other recreation areas? That were the proximity of the project to other recreation areas?","topics_json":"[\"housing\",\"zoning\"]","vector_id":"vec_seg_100911_192","created_at":"2026-10-31T08:18:22Z","speaker_name":null},{"id":"seg_100911_193","meeting_id":"100911","media_asset_id":"med_100911_cb53012a9568adfb","agenda_item_id":null,"speaker_id":"spk_100911_planning_staff","speaker_confidence":0.85,"start_sec":4554.29,"end_sec":4631.4,"text":"I would just say, um, the grouping is from my understanding this is the way it's set up now that anything with 25 lots it doesn't matter what kind of housing it is is subject to that's that tier. Um, and I don't I'm not aware of and I could be I'd have to go back and look if there is any consideration of proximity to existing parks or other things that would, um, affect that impact from those those types of developments, but it basically broken down by lots and multifamily at the top is is part of the uh the way it's distinguished as well.","topics_json":"[\"housing\",\"zoning\"]","vector_id":"vec_seg_100911_193","created_at":"2026-10-31T08:18:22Z","speaker_name":null},{"id":"seg_100911_194","meeting_id":"100911","media_asset_id":"med_100911_cb53012a9568adfb","agenda_item_id":null,"speaker_id":"spk_100911_planning_commission_member","speaker_confidence":0.85,"start_sec":4632.88,"end_sec":4633.83,"text":"Thank you.","topics_json":"[]","vector_id":"vec_seg_100911_194","created_at":"2026-10-31T08:18:22Z","speaker_name":null},{"id":"seg_100911_195","meeting_id":"100911","media_asset_id":"med_100911_cb53012a9568adfb","agenda_item_id":null,"speaker_id":"spk_100911_planning_commission_chair","speaker_confidence":0.85,"start_sec":4635.37,"end_sec":4638.1,"text":"Do any other members have comments? Yes. Yes, Dr. Jones.","topics_json":"[]","vector_id":"vec_seg_100911_195","created_at":"2026-10-31T08:18:22Z","speaker_name":null},{"id":"seg_100911_196","meeting_id":"100911","media_asset_id":"med_100911_cb53012a9568adfb","agenda_item_id":null,"speaker_id":"spk_100911_dr_jones","speaker_confidence":0.9,"start_sec":4638.1,"end_sec":4720.69,"text":"Yes, um, may not have direct relationship to the uh to the uh the considerations and revisions, but I think they are generally good. Uh, but I do have a question perha- terms of the ad- tration of the fees, and Dawn this may may go to you. Uh, at what point in time currently or with the proposal is the assessment paid in lieu of when is it paid? Is it up front? Is it at the completion? Can you help me?","topics_json":"[\"zoning\",\"budget\"]","vector_id":"vec_seg_100911_196","created_at":"2026-10-31T08:18:22Z","speaker_name":"Dr. Jones"},{"id":"seg_100911_197","meeting_id":"100911","media_asset_id":"med_100911_cb53012a9568adfb","agenda_item_id":null,"speaker_id":"spk_100911_dawn_melson_williams","speaker_confidence":0.95,"start_sec":4722.44,"end_sec":4821.22,"text":"Yes, so, um, if a project currently goes through the process, and, um, the cash-in-lieu, um, is accepted for, instead of building recreation area as part of the project, um, the administration involves the uh submission of the appraisal from the uh applicant. Um, the staff then does the calculation, and that calculation is reported both to the Planning Commission and to the um Parks and Recreation uh committee as part of the review of the, if you will, plan for active recreation. That fee does not come due until you are ready for your first building permit. So, it must be paid prior to us issuing the first building permit for that development.","topics_json":"[\"zoning\",\"budget\"]","vector_id":"vec_seg_100911_197","created_at":"2026-10-31T08:18:22Z","speaker_name":"Dawn Melson-Williams"},{"id":"seg_100911_198","meeting_id":"100911","media_asset_id":"med_100911_cb53012a9568adfb","agenda_item_id":null,"speaker_id":"spk_100911_dr_jones","speaker_confidence":0.9,"start_sec":4825.76,"end_sec":4863.29,"text":"And you probably know, I've I've mentioned this, I live in a development where the developer's change has changed two or three times. And I think there were some wrinkles in the active recreation area. Am I right, Dawn? I think I've talked to you about that before. I don't know if I And so that's why I'm looking if a developer um uh let's say for whatever reason goes bankrupt or what have you and somebody else comes in. I know some things have happened in my development that may have finally come to fruition.","topics_json":"[\"housing\",\"zoning\"]","vector_id":"vec_seg_100911_198","created_at":"2026-10-31T08:18:22Z","speaker_name":"Dr. Jones"},{"id":"seg_100911_199","meeting_id":"100911","media_asset_id":"med_100911_cb53012a9568adfb","agenda_item_id":null,"speaker_id":"spk_100911_dawn_melson_williams","speaker_confidence":0.95,"start_sec":4866.94,"end_sec":5150.88,"text":"So, um, with that particular development, there was the original plan for what active recreation was going to be for that larger subdivision. Um, the plan for the subdivision changed, it became about half the number of units it was initially planned for. And at that time then, um, there was also a proposed revision to the active recreation area. Um, I'm not sure which developer it was, um, but the plan was revised. I think that in particular, that neighborhood initially had a plan for a clubhouse and different things that way. When the number of units changed, then the active recreation um required area went down, um, and they proposed alternatives for active recreation. Um, basically, I think they kept um there's some very small open open-space parcels, but the main amenity, in the case of that neighborhood, was to ensure that there was the walkability to what is one of our major parks, um, Schutte Park. So, it was to ensure that there was the sidewalk connections to get from this neighborhood to that existing large city park land. So, proximity to something, um, actually helped that project, cuz it was accepted as meeting part of the active recreation requirements for that property. Um, so, right now, with an app- with a with a project depending on the type of project, um, between what the actual requirements are and those exemptions that we have, you end up with a land area number that's required for active recreation. And then how the developer chooses to meet that is reviewed as part of the process, whether it is building amenities as part of the development or if they can't if they aren't going to propose building amenities, then that cash-in-lieu scenario, um, which results in a donation to the parkland fund, um, based on the appraisal and the calculation process that we must do.","topics_json":"[\"housing\",\"zoning\",\"budget\"]","vector_id":"vec_seg_100911_199","created_at":"2026-10-31T08:18:22Z","speaker_name":"Dawn Melson-Williams"},{"id":"seg_100911_2","meeting_id":"100911","media_asset_id":"med_100911_cb53012a9568adfb","agenda_item_id":null,"speaker_id":"spk_100911_joan_denney","speaker_confidence":1,"start_sec":21.94,"end_sec":94.07,"text":"Good evening, everyone. Um, welcome to the City of Dover Planning Commission meeting for August 17th, 2026. This evening, we are conducting our meeting in person in the Council Chambers of City Hall, where the public is welcome to attend. The meeting is also hybrid as we are using the Webex platform to allow members of the public to attend remotely should they prefer. The order in which the meeting is carried out is dictated by the agenda, which may be found on the city's website at www.cityofdover.gov under the meetings calendar on the main page. If you would like to participate in this meeting, some reason this keeps going in and out, if you would like to participate in this meeting, you may do so in person, and we would otherwise encourage you to join the meeting using a computer with a microphone and/or video. If neither is an option, you may call into the meeting using the number provided for public participation. Instructions for participating in the public hearing or meeting, um, sorry, I lost my place.","topics_json":"[]","vector_id":"vec_seg_100911_2","created_at":"2026-10-31T08:18:21Z","speaker_name":"Joan Denney"},{"id":"seg_100911_20","meeting_id":"100911","media_asset_id":"med_100911_cb53012a9568adfb","agenda_item_id":null,"speaker_id":"spk_100911_mark_reeves","speaker_confidence":1,"start_sec":308.34,"end_sec":309.24,"text":"Present.","topics_json":"[]","vector_id":"vec_seg_100911_20","created_at":"2026-10-31T08:18:21Z","speaker_name":"Mark Reeves"},{"id":"seg_100911_200","meeting_id":"100911","media_asset_id":"med_100911_cb53012a9568adfb","agenda_item_id":null,"speaker_id":"spk_100911_dr_jones","speaker_confidence":0.9,"start_sec":5152.69,"end_sec":5178.21,"text":"Thank you very much. There were three developers there. As we move along with this process, as I said, I think the revisions are are great, but I there should be some consideration about when that fee actually comes in, when the assessment is actually uh levied against the the developer and us. So.","topics_json":"[\"zoning\",\"budget\"]","vector_id":"vec_seg_100911_200","created_at":"2026-10-31T08:18:22Z","speaker_name":"Dr. Jones"},{"id":"seg_100911_201","meeting_id":"100911","media_asset_id":"med_100911_cb53012a9568adfb","agenda_item_id":null,"speaker_id":"spk_100911_planning_commission_chair","speaker_confidence":0.85,"start_sec":5221.32,"end_sec":5226.98,"text":"Does anybody else have any comments? Okay, so Go ahead.","topics_json":"[]","vector_id":"vec_seg_100911_201","created_at":"2026-10-31T08:18:22Z","speaker_name":null},{"id":"seg_100911_202","meeting_id":"100911","media_asset_id":"med_100911_cb53012a9568adfb","agenda_item_id":null,"speaker_id":"spk_100911_mr_reeves","speaker_confidence":0.9,"start_sec":5227.51,"end_sec":5242.01,"text":"This is Mr. Reeves, I have a question. With regards to the the fee and the fund, um who is the approval authority for disbursing those in lieu of uh fees?","topics_json":"[\"zoning\",\"budget\"]","vector_id":"vec_seg_100911_202","created_at":"2026-10-31T08:18:22Z","speaker_name":"Mr. Reeves"},{"id":"seg_100911_203","meeting_id":"100911","media_asset_id":"med_100911_cb53012a9568adfb","agenda_item_id":null,"speaker_id":"spk_100911_dawn_melson_williams","speaker_confidence":0.95,"start_sec":5244.82,"end_sec":5338.52,"text":"So, this Dawn with the planning office. The question is about disbursement from that fund. Um I believe that is would reside with the um kind of a combination of the Department of Parks and Recreation for the city. If it is a capital project, it is probably outlined in the city's, as part of the city's budget process, um for and it's if it's of a certain amount, in the city's Capital Improvements Plan, um which is part of our budgeting our budget process. Um but that is certainly something that we can, you know, learn more about. It is not a responsibility of the Planning Commission to approve disbursements from that fund, um or for the planning office to approve disbursements from that fund.","topics_json":"[\"budget\",\"zoning\"]","vector_id":"vec_seg_100911_203","created_at":"2026-10-31T08:18:22Z","speaker_name":"Dawn Melson-Williams"},{"id":"seg_100911_204","meeting_id":"100911","media_asset_id":"med_100911_cb53012a9568adfb","agenda_item_id":null,"speaker_id":"spk_100911_mr_reeves","speaker_confidence":0.9,"start_sec":5341.09,"end_sec":5342.37,"text":"Thank you.","topics_json":"[]","vector_id":"vec_seg_100911_204","created_at":"2026-10-31T08:18:22Z","speaker_name":"Mr. Reeves"},{"id":"seg_100911_205","meeting_id":"100911","media_asset_id":"med_100911_cb53012a9568adfb","agenda_item_id":null,"speaker_id":"spk_100911_planning_commission_chair","speaker_confidence":0.85,"start_sec":5345.16,"end_sec":5423.83,"text":"Anybody else? So, um I have I'm not sure whether they're really questions or comments, but um many years ago, um I uh at I At one time, first of all, I'm just gonna caveat is, at one time I managed the Town of Camden, one time I was a councilwoman, eventually I became the town administrator, so I'll just lay that out there. But there came a time where um we a a a very gracious senior citizen who was knew that she would soon be not with us anymore, uh, left her land to the Town of Camden. And initially there was a little bit went back and forth, was it going to be county, was it going to be the town, but anyway, ultimately, that it was left, and then so we had a group small group of people, I got At this point I held no office or anything, but I had been very close to her, and so, um and we were represented by a lawyer, uh, cuz that was the first thing I thought needed to happen, but at any rate, to just to cut to the chase, you it the, \"What do we do with this?\" and ultimately everybody knows it ended up being Brecknock Castle, um, which what was ended up We really had very little funds, almost no funds. Um we had some small some smaller like e- even at that point $10 was a $10,000 was a small amount, but we had some some monetary help. Uh the City of Dover felt like they shouldn't be contributing to the Camden park, you know, we went through all that a lot of politics involved, but but ultimately we we ended up that we just decided, well, the community the community in and of itself will build it, and we went to electric companies and water companies and eventually, through the graciousness of of uh smaller monetary uh contributions, as well as a lot of blood, sweat, and tears, we we ended up building a little city there where we had people who were providing food, cooking food, we had businesses who would donate the food and we were feeding the people, and we were operating 24/7, and we had well drillers and electricians who were build, you know, donating time and energy and telephone telephone poles. And it it was a wonderful project. But anytime something like this comes up where we're saying um like in lieu of recreation, that's a giant example, but to me, when we do that, when we take money instead, I feel like we're taking away, um, you know, what could could be, you know, a couple of park benches or a little bit of a dog park, because that wasn't as popular back then, but like when you're over there now, it's there's so many people walking dogs and all. I mean, there should be dog parks and things. So, I I always, in my mind, have trouble with this, uh, in lieu of, because I think it should be something that the people who live in the houses in that particular development or apartment complex or something should be able to appreciate, and it shouldn't just go to like some type of a general fund. And I'm not suggesting that it is, but that's my feeling about that. And then the other question I have is, so with some of these impact fees and all, like what happens, and this comes before, you know, in the county quite often, is a family comes in and, you know, great-grandfather left 600-acre family farm to 18 grandkids, and then they start, they want to make it into lots, individual lots. And, like, so then if you have all these impact fees from breaking up these lots, how, and, and that's a question, like how does that get divided, what happens with, what happens there, because, ultimately, they just inherited the land, and they probably could just leave it, but if they're going to build, build houses or, you know, what happens? How does that work out with the in-lieu-of aspect?","topics_json":"[\"zoning\",\"budget\"]","vector_id":"vec_seg_100911_205","created_at":"2026-10-31T08:18:22Z","speaker_name":null},{"id":"seg_100911_206","meeting_id":"100911","media_asset_id":"med_100911_cb53012a9568adfb","agenda_item_id":null,"speaker_id":"spk_100911_applicant_representative","speaker_confidence":0.9,"start_sec":5423.95,"end_sec":5439.55,"text":"good amendments and definitely be back before the Planning Commission and Council. Um, I look forward to working with with the team to help you out with this project and working with you um in the weeks and months to come on it. But appreciate your time tonight.","topics_json":"[\"housing\",\"zoning\"]","vector_id":"vec_seg_100911_206","created_at":"2026-10-31T08:18:22Z","speaker_name":null},{"id":"seg_100911_207","meeting_id":"100911","media_asset_id":"med_100911_cb53012a9568adfb","agenda_item_id":null,"speaker_id":"spk_100911_kathleen_welsh","speaker_confidence":0.9,"start_sec":5440.65,"end_sec":5441.95,"text":"Thank you.","topics_json":"[]","vector_id":"vec_seg_100911_207","created_at":"2026-10-31T08:18:22Z","speaker_name":"Kathleen Welsh"},{"id":"seg_100911_208","meeting_id":"100911","media_asset_id":"med_100911_cb53012a9568adfb","agenda_item_id":null,"speaker_id":"spk_100911_andrea_maucher","speaker_confidence":0.95,"start_sec":5443.25,"end_sec":5479.55,"text":"Just just, Madam Chair, if I get just one one last comment. Um, regarding the the the flat fee, I'm I'm supportive of that. I think it's a cleaner, easier way to handle that. I think it should be high enough to be meaningful, but not so high as to add additional burden to what we're trying to do, which is create affordable housing. I think it should also be scalable to ex- to some extent, so it's not set in code and you have to amend code to be able to change that dollar amount if it could be some way it could be ratcheted after or placed under the review of, you know, every 5 years or something like that.","topics_json":"[\"housing\",\"zoning\"]","vector_id":"vec_seg_100911_208","created_at":"2026-10-31T08:18:22Z","speaker_name":"Andrea Maucher"},{"id":"seg_100911_209","meeting_id":"100911","media_asset_id":"med_100911_cb53012a9568adfb","agenda_item_id":null,"speaker_id":"spk_100911_kathleen_welsh","speaker_confidence":0.9,"start_sec":5480.35,"end_sec":5482.65,"text":"I certainly agree with Mrs. Maucher.","topics_json":"[\"housing\"]","vector_id":"vec_seg_100911_209","created_at":"2026-10-31T08:18:22Z","speaker_name":"Kathleen Welsh"},{"id":"seg_100911_21","meeting_id":"100911","media_asset_id":"med_100911_cb53012a9568adfb","agenda_item_id":null,"speaker_id":"spk_100911_city_clerk","speaker_confidence":1,"start_sec":309.24,"end_sec":310.15,"text":"Mrs. Welsh?","topics_json":"[]","vector_id":"vec_seg_100911_21","created_at":"2026-10-31T08:18:21Z","speaker_name":"City Clerk"},{"id":"seg_100911_210","meeting_id":"100911","media_asset_id":"med_100911_cb53012a9568adfb","agenda_item_id":null,"speaker_id":"spk_100911_applicant_representative","speaker_confidence":0.9,"start_sec":5485.95,"end_sec":5502.75,"text":"Yeah, I've seen similar uh provisions like that that it's scalable. And then since it is in the code, it's would be harder to update all the time, but you should have some time frame or some criteria that there are updates to it. Appreciate it.","topics_json":"[\"housing\",\"zoning\"]","vector_id":"vec_seg_100911_210","created_at":"2026-10-31T08:18:22Z","speaker_name":null},{"id":"seg_100911_211","meeting_id":"100911","media_asset_id":"med_100911_cb53012a9568adfb","agenda_item_id":null,"speaker_id":"spk_100911_kathleen_welsh","speaker_confidence":0.9,"start_sec":5505.05,"end_sec":5506.55,"text":"Anybody else?","topics_json":"[]","vector_id":"vec_seg_100911_211","created_at":"2026-10-31T08:18:22Z","speaker_name":"Kathleen Welsh"},{"id":"seg_100911_212","meeting_id":"100911","media_asset_id":"med_100911_cb53012a9568adfb","agenda_item_id":null,"speaker_id":"spk_100911_kathleen_welsh","speaker_confidence":0.9,"start_sec":5509.25,"end_sec":5517.25,"text":"Okay, moving on. So, we have an opportunity for public comment.","topics_json":"[]","vector_id":"vec_seg_100911_212","created_at":"2026-10-31T08:18:22Z","speaker_name":"Kathleen Welsh"},{"id":"seg_100911_213","meeting_id":"100911","media_asset_id":"med_100911_cb53012a9568adfb","agenda_item_id":null,"speaker_id":"spk_100911_dawn_melson_williams","speaker_confidence":0.95,"start_sec":5517.95,"end_sec":5527.95,"text":"Madam Chair, you you you uh you missed an item, item number six there.","topics_json":"[]","vector_id":"vec_seg_100911_213","created_at":"2026-10-31T08:18:22Z","speaker_name":"Dawn Melson-Williams"},{"id":"seg_100911_214","meeting_id":"100911","media_asset_id":"med_100911_cb53012a9568adfb","agenda_item_id":null,"speaker_id":"spk_100911_kathleen_welsh","speaker_confidence":0.9,"start_sec":5528.95,"end_sec":5550.65,"text":"Oh, really? So, um the next uh topic on under new business is the annual meeting of the Planning Commission, nomination, election of officers, and appointments to subcommittees. So, where do we start? We start at the bottom or the top?","topics_json":"[\"business\"]","vector_id":"vec_seg_100911_214","created_at":"2026-10-31T08:18:22Z","speaker_name":"Kathleen Welsh"},{"id":"seg_100911_215","meeting_id":"100911","media_asset_id":"med_100911_cb53012a9568adfb","agenda_item_id":null,"speaker_id":"spk_100911_dawn_melson_williams","speaker_confidence":0.95,"start_sec":5551.25,"end_sec":5696.45,"text":"So, so, Madam Chair, I know we had um your bylaws uh indicate that July is the annual meeting of the um Planning Commission. Uh at that's the time where you have received information on any reappointments, new appointments, and the like. We pushed that off because in July we had not heard that um to date. Uh Since that time, uh you have had one of the um positions um Madam Vice Chair, her her term was uh renewed, if you will. She was reappointed for a 3-year term. There are two other members of the commission that their term is up this time of year, and I I would imagine that the Mayor's Office is working through um that process if you seek to continue or or not. Um And then with the uh resignation of uh your previous chair, Mr. Witham, um that seat has now been filled with a new member for the um commission, and that's um Donna Donna Lee Williams. Um At this point, you can certainly move forward with the nomination and election of officers uh for the Planning Commission. There is a chairperson and a vice chair um per your bylaws. Uh We did submit a to you a copy of your bylaws so that you have that for reference. Um There is limitations on how many years someone can serve in the chair position. Uh We do not have that situation at this point. Um By the bylaws, the election process um elections are by um ballot unless you suspend that voting process um in a separate motion. Um But at this point uh if you are interested in moving forward with your election of officers, uh then I would believe that our acting chair would be in acceptance of um motions regarding the position of chair and vice chair.","topics_json":"[\"business\"]","vector_id":"vec_seg_100911_215","created_at":"2026-10-31T08:18:22Z","speaker_name":"Dawn Melson-Williams"},{"id":"seg_100911_216","meeting_id":"100911","media_asset_id":"med_100911_cb53012a9568adfb","agenda_item_id":null,"speaker_id":"spk_100911_kathleen_welsh","speaker_confidence":0.9,"start_sec":5699.95,"end_sec":5759.55,"text":"Whatever the the planner Planning Commissioners as a whole would like to do. I'm open to, you know, you know, either ballots or voice nominations and votes, or what Um, I'm one person, and I just happened to be in this chair at the moment as the acting chair. So, whatever works for the commission members because, you know, I don't think it's I never feel this in any time ever that it's up to one person. I think that that's why we all have a voice in who leads who leads who's the leader of the band, shall they say. Whatever you all whatever you as the commissioners decide in either, you know, paper ballots or nominations, or whatever.","topics_json":"[\"business\"]","vector_id":"vec_seg_100911_216","created_at":"2026-10-31T08:18:22Z","speaker_name":"Kathleen Welsh"},{"id":"seg_100911_217","meeting_id":"100911","media_asset_id":"med_100911_cb53012a9568adfb","agenda_item_id":null,"speaker_id":"spk_100911_nikki_denny","speaker_confidence":0.9,"start_sec":5770.75,"end_sec":5789.05,"text":"Ms. Madam Chairman, I I'm just going to make a comment that according to the meeting meeting minutes from last meeting, we did make a motion to defer voting until the appointments and reappointments have taken place. So, um...","topics_json":"[\"business\"]","vector_id":"vec_seg_100911_217","created_at":"2026-10-31T08:18:22Z","speaker_name":"Nikki Denny"},{"id":"seg_100911_218","meeting_id":"100911","media_asset_id":"med_100911_cb53012a9568adfb","agenda_item_id":null,"speaker_id":"spk_100911_kathleen_welsh","speaker_confidence":0.9,"start_sec":5790.05,"end_sec":5801.85,"text":"My appointment, I was reappointed, and I think um we have a new member who's been appointed. I don't know who else was up or if anybody was up.","topics_json":"[\"business\"]","vector_id":"vec_seg_100911_218","created_at":"2026-10-31T08:18:22Z","speaker_name":"Kathleen Welsh"},{"id":"seg_100911_219","meeting_id":"100911","media_asset_id":"med_100911_cb53012a9568adfb","agenda_item_id":null,"speaker_id":"spk_100911_nikki_denny","speaker_confidence":0.9,"start_sec":5803.95,"end_sec":5815.15,"text":"I was just bringing that up because I I didn't know you'd been reappointed, so trying trying to find out where where we stand where we stand on that issue, I guess.","topics_json":"[\"business\"]","vector_id":"vec_seg_100911_219","created_at":"2026-10-31T08:18:22Z","speaker_name":"Nikki Denny"},{"id":"seg_100911_22","meeting_id":"100911","media_asset_id":"med_100911_cb53012a9568adfb","agenda_item_id":null,"speaker_id":"spk_100911_kathleen_welsh","speaker_confidence":1,"start_sec":310.15,"end_sec":311.05,"text":"Present.","topics_json":"[]","vector_id":"vec_seg_100911_22","created_at":"2026-10-31T08:18:21Z","speaker_name":"Kathleen Welsh"},{"id":"seg_100911_220","meeting_id":"100911","media_asset_id":"med_100911_cb53012a9568adfb","agenda_item_id":null,"speaker_id":"spk_100911_kathleen_welsh","speaker_confidence":0.9,"start_sec":5815.45,"end_sec":5831.15,"text":"I went I received a letter um after the last um after the last Council meeting, I received a letter of reappointment.","topics_json":"[\"business\"]","vector_id":"vec_seg_100911_220","created_at":"2026-10-31T08:18:22Z","speaker_name":"Kathleen Welsh"},{"id":"seg_100911_221","meeting_id":"100911","media_asset_id":"med_100911_cb53012a9568adfb","agenda_item_id":null,"speaker_id":"spk_100911_andrea_maucher","speaker_confidence":0.95,"start_sec":5833.05,"end_sec":5845.15,"text":"So, so I guess my my question would be if we're not If there's two additional reappointments that have to occur, there's no guarantee, I guess, lack of better word, that the person holding the chair currently would be reappointed. I mean, it's probably more likely than not, but um so I I think I would move that we wait until those final appointments are done, and then uh Ms. Williams would be probably be here in person or Cuz I think just tonight she's just observing. So, I think that's an also also an issue.","topics_json":"[\"business\"]","vector_id":"vec_seg_100911_221","created_at":"2026-10-31T08:18:22Z","speaker_name":"Andrea Maucher"},{"id":"seg_100911_222","meeting_id":"100911","media_asset_id":"med_100911_cb53012a9568adfb","agenda_item_id":null,"speaker_id":"spk_100911_kathleen_welsh","speaker_confidence":0.9,"start_sec":5845.45,"end_sec":5848.85,"text":"Yeah, I I believe that was her intention was to just observe.","topics_json":"[\"business\"]","vector_id":"vec_seg_100911_222","created_at":"2026-10-31T08:18:22Z","speaker_name":"Kathleen Welsh"},{"id":"seg_100911_223","meeting_id":"100911","media_asset_id":"med_100911_cb53012a9568adfb","agenda_item_id":null,"speaker_id":"spk_100911_kathleen_welsh","speaker_confidence":0.9,"start_sec":5849.35,"end_sec":5856.95,"text":"So, um Dawn, um I mean, I believe she's been appointed, but she's","topics_json":"[\"business\"]","vector_id":"vec_seg_100911_223","created_at":"2026-10-31T08:18:22Z","speaker_name":"Kathleen Welsh"},{"id":"seg_100911_224","meeting_id":"100911","media_asset_id":"med_100911_cb53012a9568adfb","agenda_item_id":null,"speaker_id":"spk_100911_andrea_maucher","speaker_confidence":0.95,"start_sec":5857.05,"end_sec":5858.25,"text":"Right, but she's just observing.","topics_json":"[\"business\"]","vector_id":"vec_seg_100911_224","created_at":"2026-10-31T08:18:22Z","speaker_name":"Andrea Maucher"},{"id":"seg_100911_225","meeting_id":"100911","media_asset_id":"med_100911_cb53012a9568adfb","agenda_item_id":null,"speaker_id":"spk_100911_kathleen_welsh","speaker_confidence":0.9,"start_sec":5858.35,"end_sec":5872.85,"text":"She's just observing tonight. She needed She's is, I'm sure, listening in, but uh she needed to be at home this evening for reasons. Um So, the other So, we still have two vacancies or two that are coming up?","topics_json":"[\"business\"]","vector_id":"vec_seg_100911_225","created_at":"2026-10-31T08:18:22Z","speaker_name":"Kathleen Welsh"},{"id":"seg_100911_226","meeting_id":"100911","media_asset_id":"med_100911_cb53012a9568adfb","agenda_item_id":null,"speaker_id":"spk_100911_dawn_melson_williams","speaker_confidence":0.95,"start_sec":5873.55,"end_sec":5954.15,"text":"Um so this is Dawn with the planning staff. Um The appointments to the Planning Commission are structured so that three terms expire each year. Um At this point, um of the three that are expiring this summer, basically, one of them has been reappointed, and that is um Mrs. Welsh. There are two other individuals that their seats or their term is up. Um Per the bylaws or in code, I'm not sure which, they the current appointees continue to serve until superseded basically by someone else or they're reappointed themselves. Um So, that's kind of where we are. So, there are two individuals, and I believe it's I believe it's Dr. Jones and it's another individual. I can't uh and and Mr. Reeves are the two individuals whose term also expires here in 2026. But the full process for formal reappointment has not yet been completed, and at this point the earliest that could happen would be in September. Because City Council The mayor makes the appointment, and it is acted upon by City Council. The next City Council meetings are not scheduled until September.","topics_json":"[\"business\"]","vector_id":"vec_seg_100911_226","created_at":"2026-10-31T08:18:22Z","speaker_name":"Dawn Melson-Williams"},{"id":"seg_100911_227","meeting_id":"100911","media_asset_id":"med_100911_cb53012a9568adfb","agenda_item_id":null,"speaker_id":"spk_100911_kathleen_welsh","speaker_confidence":0.9,"start_sec":5955.45,"end_sec":5969.95,"text":"So that given, perhaps we should just wait until the September meeting. Or until at least the September meeting, so all the ducks are in a row.","topics_json":"[\"business\"]","vector_id":"vec_seg_100911_227","created_at":"2026-10-31T08:18:22Z","speaker_name":"Kathleen Welsh"},{"id":"seg_100911_228","meeting_id":"100911","media_asset_id":"med_100911_cb53012a9568adfb","agenda_item_id":null,"speaker_id":"spk_100911_kathleen_welsh","speaker_confidence":0.9,"start_sec":5973.35,"end_sec":5977.05,"text":"If if that's what you're suggesting, I certainly agree with it, and I guess","topics_json":"[\"business\"]","vector_id":"vec_seg_100911_228","created_at":"2026-10-31T08:18:22Z","speaker_name":"Kathleen Welsh"},{"id":"seg_100911_229","meeting_id":"100911","media_asset_id":"med_100911_cb53012a9568adfb","agenda_item_id":null,"speaker_id":"spk_100911_andrea_maucher","speaker_confidence":0.95,"start_sec":5977.15,"end_sec":6031.95,"text":"That's that's my inclination. Because I Because again, you know, Mr. Reeves could be appointed chair and, you know, be be voted as chair, and then if if his reappointment should not go forth for whatever reason, which probably not going to happen, but then you're back in the same position you were before, so I would","topics_json":"[\"business\"]","vector_id":"vec_seg_100911_229","created_at":"2026-10-31T08:18:22Z","speaker_name":"Andrea Maucher"},{"id":"seg_100911_23","meeting_id":"100911","media_asset_id":"med_100911_cb53012a9568adfb","agenda_item_id":null,"speaker_id":"spk_100911_krista_mullaney","speaker_confidence":1,"start_sec":311.35,"end_sec":313.75,"text":"Please let the record show six members present, two members absent.","topics_json":"[]","vector_id":"vec_seg_100911_23","created_at":"2026-10-31T08:18:21Z","speaker_name":"Krista Mullaney"},{"id":"seg_100911_230","meeting_id":"100911","media_asset_id":"med_100911_cb53012a9568adfb","agenda_item_id":null,"speaker_id":"spk_100911_kathleen_welsh","speaker_confidence":0.9,"start_sec":6033.35,"end_sec":6040.65,"text":"Yep. 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Um Should we do a roll call or all","topics_json":"[\"business\"]","vector_id":"vec_seg_100911_233","created_at":"2026-10-31T08:18:22Z","speaker_name":"Kathleen Welsh"},{"id":"seg_100911_234","meeting_id":"100911","media_asset_id":"med_100911_cb53012a9568adfb","agenda_item_id":null,"speaker_id":"spk_100911_dawn_melson_williams","speaker_confidence":0.95,"start_sec":6069.15,"end_sec":6071.65,"text":"I don't think you need to do a roll call. I think a voice vote is fine.","topics_json":"[\"business\"]","vector_id":"vec_seg_100911_234","created_at":"2026-10-31T08:18:22Z","speaker_name":"Dawn Melson-Williams"},{"id":"seg_100911_235","meeting_id":"100911","media_asset_id":"med_100911_cb53012a9568adfb","agenda_item_id":null,"speaker_id":"spk_100911_kathleen_welsh","speaker_confidence":0.9,"start_sec":6072.25,"end_sec":6073.45,"text":"All in favor?","topics_json":"[\"business\"]","vector_id":"vec_seg_100911_235","created_at":"2026-10-31T08:18:22Z","speaker_name":"Kathleen Welsh"},{"id":"seg_100911_236","meeting_id":"100911","media_asset_id":"med_100911_cb53012a9568adfb","agenda_item_id":null,"speaker_id":"spk_100911_commissioners","speaker_confidence":0.9,"start_sec":6073.65,"end_sec":6074.95,"text":"Aye. 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I just said, 'Aye'.","topics_json":"[\"business\"]","vector_id":"vec_seg_100911_239","created_at":"2026-10-31T08:18:22Z","speaker_name":"Michael Reeves"},{"id":"seg_100911_24","meeting_id":"100911","media_asset_id":"med_100911_cb53012a9568adfb","agenda_item_id":null,"speaker_id":"spk_100911_joan_denney","speaker_confidence":1,"start_sec":314.65,"end_sec":325.47,"text":"Thank you. With six present, we do have a quorum. First matter of business is approval of the agenda. Everybody's been provided with the agenda, other members, and um, I'm looking for a motion.","topics_json":"[]","vector_id":"vec_seg_100911_24","created_at":"2026-10-31T08:18:21Z","speaker_name":"Joan Denney"},{"id":"seg_100911_240","meeting_id":"100911","media_asset_id":"med_100911_cb53012a9568adfb","agenda_item_id":null,"speaker_id":"spk_100911_kathleen_welsh","speaker_confidence":0.9,"start_sec":6086.95,"end_sec":6088.95,"text":"Thank you. So...","topics_json":"[\"business\"]","vector_id":"vec_seg_100911_240","created_at":"2026-10-31T08:18:22Z","speaker_name":"Kathleen Welsh"},{"id":"seg_100911_241","meeting_id":"100911","media_asset_id":"med_100911_cb53012a9568adfb","agenda_item_id":null,"speaker_id":"spk_100911_dawn_melson_williams","speaker_confidence":0.95,"start_sec":6090.75,"end_sec":6121.45,"text":"And so then there's a second piece to this, and that is the appointments to the subcommittees. Um You had asked planning staff to um pursue the availability of the two design professional members. We're still waiting to hear information back on that piece of this. Um So, we'll certainly see if we can have an answer on that for your September meeting as well, and hopefully we can take care of all this. So, I think that was We still have our marching orders and we have nothing to report at this point.","topics_json":"[\"business\"]","vector_id":"vec_seg_100911_241","created_at":"2026-10-31T08:18:22Z","speaker_name":"Dawn Melson-Williams"},{"id":"seg_100911_242","meeting_id":"100911","media_asset_id":"med_100911_cb53012a9568adfb","agenda_item_id":null,"speaker_id":"spk_100911_kathleen_welsh","speaker_confidence":0.9,"start_sec":6128.45,"end_sec":6133.95,"text":"Okay. So, that said, I guess we're looking for a motion to adjourn.","topics_json":"[\"business\"]","vector_id":"vec_seg_100911_242","created_at":"2026-10-31T08:18:22Z","speaker_name":"Kathleen Welsh"},{"id":"seg_100911_243","meeting_id":"100911","media_asset_id":"med_100911_cb53012a9568adfb","agenda_item_id":null,"speaker_id":"spk_100911_dawn_melson_williams","speaker_confidence":0.95,"start_sec":6135.15,"end_sec":6138.75,"text":"Madam Chair, we do technically need to do the public comment opportunity.","topics_json":"[\"business\"]","vector_id":"vec_seg_100911_243","created_at":"2026-10-31T08:18:22Z","speaker_name":"Dawn Melson-Williams"},{"id":"seg_100911_244","meeting_id":"100911","media_asset_id":"med_100911_cb53012a9568adfb","agenda_item_id":null,"speaker_id":"spk_100911_kathleen_welsh","speaker_confidence":0.9,"start_sec":6138.85,"end_sec":6139.65,"text":"Public comment.","topics_json":"[\"business\"]","vector_id":"vec_seg_100911_244","created_at":"2026-10-31T08:18:22Z","speaker_name":"Kathleen Welsh"},{"id":"seg_100911_245","meeting_id":"100911","media_asset_id":"med_100911_cb53012a9568adfb","agenda_item_id":null,"speaker_id":"spk_100911_kathleen_welsh","speaker_confidence":0.9,"start_sec":6140.15,"end_sec":6152.25,"text":"Okay, so um do we have any So, we're open for for public comment with regard to the uh nominations of structure for","topics_json":"[\"business\"]","vector_id":"vec_seg_100911_245","created_at":"2026-10-31T08:18:22Z","speaker_name":"Kathleen Welsh"},{"id":"seg_100911_246","meeting_id":"100911","media_asset_id":"med_100911_cb53012a9568adfb","agenda_item_id":null,"speaker_id":"spk_100911_dawn_melson_williams","speaker_confidence":0.95,"start_sec":6152.35,"end_sec":6153.75,"text":"No. So, this is um","topics_json":"[\"business\"]","vector_id":"vec_seg_100911_246","created_at":"2026-10-31T08:18:22Z","speaker_name":"Dawn Melson-Williams"},{"id":"seg_100911_247","meeting_id":"100911","media_asset_id":"med_100911_cb53012a9568adfb","agenda_item_id":null,"speaker_id":"spk_100911_kathleen_welsh","speaker_confidence":0.9,"start_sec":6153.85,"end_sec":6154.95,"text":"No, okay. I'm sorry. I'm lost.","topics_json":"[\"business\"]","vector_id":"vec_seg_100911_247","created_at":"2026-10-31T08:18:22Z","speaker_name":"Kathleen Welsh"},{"id":"seg_100911_248","meeting_id":"100911","media_asset_id":"med_100911_cb53012a9568adfb","agenda_item_id":null,"speaker_id":"spk_100911_dawn_melson_williams","speaker_confidence":0.95,"start_sec":6155.05,"end_sec":6195.45,"text":"Yeah, so this is a a general public comment opportunity that is given to members of the public uh to provide comments to the Planning Commission where they're not specifically related to an application that's before the commission with a public hearing. Uh Seeing that there are no members of the public in the room and there are no members of the general public that are still with us online, don't believe there's any public to provide that opportunity tonight. So, Madam Chair, I think having said that, um you can certainly move for the adjournment of this meeting if the commission so desires.","topics_json":"[\"business\"]","vector_id":"vec_seg_100911_248","created_at":"2026-10-31T08:18:22Z","speaker_name":"Dawn Melson-Williams"},{"id":"seg_100911_249","meeting_id":"100911","media_asset_id":"med_100911_cb53012a9568adfb","agenda_item_id":null,"speaker_id":"spk_100911_donna_lee_williams","speaker_confidence":0.95,"start_sec":6196.75,"end_sec":6198.15,"text":"Madam Chair?","topics_json":"[\"business\"]","vector_id":"vec_seg_100911_249","created_at":"2026-10-31T08:18:22Z","speaker_name":"Donna Lee Williams"},{"id":"seg_100911_25","meeting_id":"100911","media_asset_id":"med_100911_cb53012a9568adfb","agenda_item_id":null,"speaker_id":"spk_100911_andrea_maucher","speaker_confidence":1,"start_sec":325.77,"end_sec":331.18,"text":"Madam Acting Chair, um, I noticed there was a a revised agenda on our desk, so I would move that the revised agenda be um, approved.","topics_json":"[]","vector_id":"vec_seg_100911_25","created_at":"2026-10-31T08:18:21Z","speaker_name":"Andrea Maucher"},{"id":"seg_100911_250","meeting_id":"100911","media_asset_id":"med_100911_cb53012a9568adfb","agenda_item_id":null,"speaker_id":"spk_100911_kathleen_welsh","speaker_confidence":0.9,"start_sec":6198.95,"end_sec":6199.75,"text":"Yes.","topics_json":"[\"business\"]","vector_id":"vec_seg_100911_250","created_at":"2026-10-31T08:18:22Z","speaker_name":"Kathleen Welsh"},{"id":"seg_100911_251","meeting_id":"100911","media_asset_id":"med_100911_cb53012a9568adfb","agenda_item_id":null,"speaker_id":"spk_100911_donna_lee_williams","speaker_confidence":0.95,"start_sec":6199.85,"end_sec":6245.45,"text":"This this is Donna Lee Williams. Um If if I may, I just want to um thank you um as members of the Planning Commission for um deferring this um vote uh this evening so that I will have the opportunity to uh meet with all of you and and participate in this process. I'm very much looking forward to meeting with everyone. I have um attended a few Planning Commission meetings uh in the past. However, I have not had the chance to personally speak with all of you, and I'm really looking forward to this opportunity to work with you in service of our community. Thank you, Madam Chairman.","topics_json":"[\"business\"]","vector_id":"vec_seg_100911_251","created_at":"2026-10-31T08:18:22Z","speaker_name":"Donna Lee Williams"},{"id":"seg_100911_252","meeting_id":"100911","media_asset_id":"med_100911_cb53012a9568adfb","agenda_item_id":null,"speaker_id":"spk_100911_kathleen_welsh","speaker_confidence":0.9,"start_sec":6247.65,"end_sec":6248.95,"text":"Thank you.","topics_json":"[\"business\"]","vector_id":"vec_seg_100911_252","created_at":"2026-10-31T08:18:22Z","speaker_name":"Kathleen Welsh"},{"id":"seg_100911_253","meeting_id":"100911","media_asset_id":"med_100911_cb53012a9568adfb","agenda_item_id":null,"speaker_id":"spk_100911_kathleen_welsh","speaker_confidence":0.9,"start_sec":6254.35,"end_sec":6262.15,"text":"So, anyone else with any public comment, thoughts, anything they'd like to address? Is there anybody online?","topics_json":"[\"business\"]","vector_id":"vec_seg_100911_253","created_at":"2026-10-31T08:18:22Z","speaker_name":"Kathleen Welsh"},{"id":"seg_100911_254","meeting_id":"100911","media_asset_id":"med_100911_cb53012a9568adfb","agenda_item_id":null,"speaker_id":"spk_100911_dawn_melson_williams","speaker_confidence":0.95,"start_sec":6262.95,"end_sec":6265.95,"text":"No, I already said that. It's just you chickens.","topics_json":"[\"business\"]","vector_id":"vec_seg_100911_254","created_at":"2026-10-31T08:18:22Z","speaker_name":"Dawn Melson-Williams"},{"id":"seg_100911_255","meeting_id":"100911","media_asset_id":"med_100911_cb53012a9568adfb","agenda_item_id":null,"speaker_id":"spk_100911_kathleen_welsh","speaker_confidence":0.9,"start_sec":6266.95,"end_sec":6270.45,"text":"Just the chickens. 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All in favor?","topics_json":"[\"business\"]","vector_id":"vec_seg_100911_257","created_at":"2026-10-31T08:18:22Z","speaker_name":"Kathleen Welsh"},{"id":"seg_100911_258","meeting_id":"100911","media_asset_id":"med_100911_cb53012a9568adfb","agenda_item_id":null,"speaker_id":"spk_100911_commissioners","speaker_confidence":0.9,"start_sec":6280.65,"end_sec":6282.95,"text":"Aye. Aye. Aye.","topics_json":"[\"business\"]","vector_id":"vec_seg_100911_258","created_at":"2026-10-31T08:18:22Z","speaker_name":null},{"id":"seg_100911_259","meeting_id":"100911","media_asset_id":"med_100911_cb53012a9568adfb","agenda_item_id":null,"speaker_id":"spk_100911_kathleen_welsh","speaker_confidence":0.9,"start_sec":6284.95,"end_sec":6287.25,"text":"Thank you all for your patience tonight.","topics_json":"[\"business\"]","vector_id":"vec_seg_100911_259","created_at":"2026-10-31T08:18:22Z","speaker_name":"Kathleen Welsh"},{"id":"seg_100911_26","meeting_id":"100911","media_asset_id":"med_100911_cb53012a9568adfb","agenda_item_id":null,"speaker_id":"spk_100911_joan_denney","speaker_confidence":1,"start_sec":331.18,"end_sec":332.99,"text":"Thank you. Yes, it was on my desk as well. Thank you.","topics_json":"[]","vector_id":"vec_seg_100911_26","created_at":"2026-10-31T08:18:21Z","speaker_name":"Joan Denney"},{"id":"seg_100911_260","meeting_id":"100911","media_asset_id":"med_100911_cb53012a9568adfb","agenda_item_id":null,"speaker_id":"spk_100911_dawn_melson_williams","speaker_confidence":0.95,"start_sec":6287.95,"end_sec":6305.75,"text":"Uh so with that, that adjourns the um Planning Commission meeting for August 17th. Thank you all for being here um and enjoy the rest of your evening. I think it did rain outside, so can't tell you if it's I can't tell you if it still is, though. Thank you.","topics_json":"[\"business\"]","vector_id":"vec_seg_100911_260","created_at":"2026-10-31T08:18:22Z","speaker_name":"Dawn Melson-Williams"},{"id":"seg_100911_27","meeting_id":"100911","media_asset_id":"med_100911_cb53012a9568adfb","agenda_item_id":null,"speaker_id":"spk_100911_michael_lewis","speaker_confidence":1,"start_sec":332.99,"end_sec":333.89,"text":"Second.","topics_json":"[]","vector_id":"vec_seg_100911_27","created_at":"2026-10-31T08:18:21Z","speaker_name":"Michael Lewis"},{"id":"seg_100911_28","meeting_id":"100911","media_asset_id":"med_100911_cb53012a9568adfb","agenda_item_id":null,"speaker_id":"spk_100911_joan_denney","speaker_confidence":1,"start_sec":334.19,"end_sec":335.99,"text":"We have a motion and a second. 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If you are experiencing any difficulty in joining the meeting, please call the planning office at [contact removed].","topics_json":"[]","vector_id":"vec_seg_100911_3","created_at":"2026-10-31T08:18:21Z","speaker_name":"Joan Denney"},{"id":"seg_100911_30","meeting_id":"100911","media_asset_id":"med_100911_cb53012a9568adfb","agenda_item_id":null,"speaker_id":"spk_100911_bobby_jones","speaker_confidence":1,"start_sec":336.59,"end_sec":337.19,"text":"Aye.","topics_json":"[]","vector_id":"vec_seg_100911_30","created_at":"2026-10-31T08:18:21Z","speaker_name":"Bobby Jones"},{"id":"seg_100911_31","meeting_id":"100911","media_asset_id":"med_100911_cb53012a9568adfb","agenda_item_id":null,"speaker_id":"spk_100911_mark_reeves","speaker_confidence":1,"start_sec":337.19,"end_sec":337.79,"text":"Aye.","topics_json":"[]","vector_id":"vec_seg_100911_31","created_at":"2026-10-31T08:18:21Z","speaker_name":"Mark Reeves"},{"id":"seg_100911_32","meeting_id":"100911","media_asset_id":"med_100911_cb53012a9568adfb","agenda_item_id":null,"speaker_id":"spk_100911_joan_denney","speaker_confidence":1,"start_sec":337.79,"end_sec":379.87,"text":"Any nays? Hearing none, motion carried. The minutes are or the agenda is approved. Next order of business is adoption of the minutes of the July 20th, 2026 meeting. Um, you've been provided with the meeting minutes. I'm asking for a motion for their approval or for any necessary amendments if if you have them.","topics_json":"[]","vector_id":"vec_seg_100911_32","created_at":"2026-10-31T08:18:21Z","speaker_name":"Joan Denney"},{"id":"seg_100911_33","meeting_id":"100911","media_asset_id":"med_100911_cb53012a9568adfb","agenda_item_id":null,"speaker_id":"spk_100911_kathleen_welsh","speaker_confidence":1,"start_sec":380.47,"end_sec":385.58,"text":"Madam Chair, it's Mrs. Welsh. Um, I move that we adopt the meeting minutes of July 20th, 2026.","topics_json":"[]","vector_id":"vec_seg_100911_33","created_at":"2026-10-31T08:18:21Z","speaker_name":"Kathleen Welsh"},{"id":"seg_100911_34","meeting_id":"100911","media_asset_id":"med_100911_cb53012a9568adfb","agenda_item_id":null,"speaker_id":"spk_100911_andrea_maucher","speaker_confidence":1,"start_sec":386.18,"end_sec":387.08,"text":"Second.","topics_json":"[]","vector_id":"vec_seg_100911_34","created_at":"2026-10-31T08:18:21Z","speaker_name":"Andrea Maucher"},{"id":"seg_100911_35","meeting_id":"100911","media_asset_id":"med_100911_cb53012a9568adfb","agenda_item_id":null,"speaker_id":"spk_100911_joan_denney","speaker_confidence":1,"start_sec":387.08,"end_sec":393.09,"text":"Okay. We have a motion by Ms. Welsh and a second by Ms. Maucher. Uh, all in favor?","topics_json":"[]","vector_id":"vec_seg_100911_35","created_at":"2026-10-31T08:18:21Z","speaker_name":"Joan Denney"},{"id":"seg_100911_36","meeting_id":"100911","media_asset_id":"med_100911_cb53012a9568adfb","agenda_item_id":null,"speaker_id":"spk_100911_andrea_maucher","speaker_confidence":1,"start_sec":393.39,"end_sec":393.99,"text":"Aye.","topics_json":"[]","vector_id":"vec_seg_100911_36","created_at":"2026-10-31T08:18:21Z","speaker_name":"Andrea Maucher"},{"id":"seg_100911_37","meeting_id":"100911","media_asset_id":"med_100911_cb53012a9568adfb","agenda_item_id":null,"speaker_id":"spk_100911_bobby_jones","speaker_confidence":1,"start_sec":393.99,"end_sec":394.59,"text":"Aye.","topics_json":"[]","vector_id":"vec_seg_100911_37","created_at":"2026-10-31T08:18:21Z","speaker_name":"Bobby Jones"},{"id":"seg_100911_38","meeting_id":"100911","media_asset_id":"med_100911_cb53012a9568adfb","agenda_item_id":null,"speaker_id":"spk_100911_mark_reeves","speaker_confidence":1,"start_sec":394.59,"end_sec":395.2,"text":"Aye.","topics_json":"[]","vector_id":"vec_seg_100911_38","created_at":"2026-10-31T08:18:21Z","speaker_name":"Mark Reeves"},{"id":"seg_100911_39","meeting_id":"100911","media_asset_id":"med_100911_cb53012a9568adfb","agenda_item_id":null,"speaker_id":"spk_100911_joan_denney","speaker_confidence":1,"start_sec":395.2,"end_sec":443.58,"text":"Any any nays? Hearing none, the minutes of the July 20th, 2026 meeting are hereby adopted. Okay. Moving on to communication and reports. A reminder that next Planning Commission's regular date is Monday, September 21st, 2026 at 7:00 p.m. And now, uh, Ms. Dawn Melson-Williams will give us an update on City Council actions.","topics_json":"[]","vector_id":"vec_seg_100911_39","created_at":"2026-10-31T08:18:21Z","speaker_name":"Joan Denney"},{"id":"seg_100911_4","meeting_id":"100911","media_asset_id":"med_100911_cb53012a9568adfb","agenda_item_id":null,"speaker_id":"spk_100911_joan_denney","speaker_confidence":1,"start_sec":138.84,"end_sec":143.05,"text":"Um, so, do we call the roll yet?","topics_json":"[]","vector_id":"vec_seg_100911_4","created_at":"2026-10-31T08:18:21Z","speaker_name":"Joan Denney"},{"id":"seg_100911_40","meeting_id":"100911","media_asset_id":"med_100911_cb53012a9568adfb","agenda_item_id":null,"speaker_id":"spk_100911_dawn_melson_williams","speaker_confidence":1,"start_sec":444.18,"end_sec":873.64,"text":"Uh, thank you, um, Madam Chair. This is uh, Dawn with the planning office. Um, at your meeting, we report on the City Council actions since your last meeting, in this case since July. Um, on the City Council meeting of July 27th, uh, they adopted Ordinance #2026-05 with uh, staff amendment one and other amendments. This was an ordinance, um, related to the Dover Code of Ordinances Chapter 70, specifically Section 70-4 related to throwing, kicking objects and playing games in the streets and public places. Um, it's not part of the zoning ordinance, which is why it did not appear before this body. Um, it deals with um, activities in the street and things like basketball goals, um. So, moving into August, uh, the uh, City Council meeting on August 10th, uh, the City Council took action to approve the annexation of the lands of Johnson, that is the property at 102 Fox Hall Drive, and they set the city zoning uh, classification of R-20 for the property uh, that was adopted by uh, Ordinance #2026-13 and Resolution 2026-09 uh, that appeared before this body as annexation application AX-26-03. Uh, you had recommended for its annexation and that that zoning classification. Uh, also at that uh, council meeting, uh, they completed the reappointment of uh, Joan Denney to the Planning Commission to serve uh, an additional three-year term. Uh, they also uh, completed the appointment of um, of an individual to fill the seat vacated by uh, Mr. Witham. Uh, the uh, selected appointee is uh, Donna Lee Williams uh, to fill that unexpired term, um, which would be through June of 2027. Uh, Donna Lee has joined us this evening online, um, just really kind of observing what's uh, what happens with the Planning Commission meeting, and we will be doing a full onboarding, um, meeting with her as planning staff. Uh, the following evening at the city uh, Council Committee of the Whole meeting of August 11th, uh, the Parks, Recreation, and Community Enhancement Committee heard a presentation on the potential changes to the active recreation requirements for residential development. Uh, that presentation was made by staff of the Rossi Group, and there was a further discussion and recommendation from that group about how to proceed. Uh, this evening on your Planning Commission agenda, you will you'll get basically the same presentation, and we'll have a discussion on on that. Um, at the Utility Committee that same evening, uh, they reviewed the request for street abandonment for Liberty Street. Uh, that was presented to um, that committee with your recommendation of approval. Uh, if you recall, Liberty Street you considered, um, it's a piece of right-of-way that's to the east of Legislative Hall. Uh, so that has more process involving City Council that'll be happening in the month of September. The uh, Legislative Finance and Administration Committee, um, at that meeting that uh, Committee of the Whole meeting, uh, heard a presentation on proposed Ordinance 2025-19, uh, which is a series of text amendments to the Dover Code of Ordinances uh, to facilitate the adoption of the 2024 um, ICC codes, um, that is the International Code Council codes. It's the series of codes that uh, the city utilizes for building code review. Uh, so that includes the IBC, which is the International Building Code, the IRC, uh, which is the International Residential Code, uh, and others including the existing building code and other reference codes. Uh, the committee recommended that um, that ordinance move forward on to City Council for uh, its formal review process. Uh, they did propose a an amendment to uh, the provisions that were put forth related to the um, IRC, which is the residential code, uh, pertaining to sprinklers when existing buildings are being added on to. Uh, so we'll see where that where that lands. Um, probably the the key thing for this committee, uh, or this commission is that uh, those are not ordinances that you enforce, but they are related to development happening here in the city. Um, with the IRC, there is uh, the proposal uh, was to leave the requirement for new construction of residential uh, buildings to include um, residential sprinkler systems. Uh, so there's there's more to the process for that ordinance, um, that'll be happening in September beyond. The uh, last thing of note at that Legislative Finance and Administration Committee, um, was discussion on a proposal for drafting a temporary a moratorium for data centers and other large load utility user, um, types. Uh, so there was a discussion, and that was um, basically referred to staff to work with the uh, appropriate councilperson who is sponsoring the effort, uh, to move forward with drafting said moratorium. Uh, and that'll be something that City Council will have to act upon, um, by ordinance in the coming months here. So Madam Chair, that's the update on City Council actions. Uh, for planning uh, and inspections updates, uh, just a couple of things for you. Um, we have hired an additional planner, um, Chris Salzano, you may remember, um, previously was with our office. Uh, he is a rehire into the Planner II position. Uh, so you'll be seeing him at your upcoming meetings as uh, projects are assigned. And um, with that, I think that is um, that's the update on planning inspections updates at this point.","topics_json":"[\"zoning\"]","vector_id":"vec_seg_100911_40","created_at":"2026-10-31T08:18:21Z","speaker_name":"Dawn Melson-Williams"},{"id":"seg_100911_41","meeting_id":"100911","media_asset_id":"med_100911_cb53012a9568adfb","agenda_item_id":null,"speaker_id":"spk_100911_joan_denney","speaker_confidence":1,"start_sec":876.34,"end_sec":903.99,"text":"Thank you. We conduct the meeting following specific","topics_json":"[]","vector_id":"vec_seg_100911_41","created_at":"2026-10-31T08:18:21Z","speaker_name":"Joan Denney"},{"id":"seg_100911_42","meeting_id":"100911","media_asset_id":"med_100911_cb53012a9568adfb","agenda_item_id":null,"speaker_id":"spk_100911_nikki_denny","speaker_confidence":0.95,"start_sec":903.99,"end_sec":912.24,"text":"procedures for the review of applications and their public hearings, if required. We will hear the meeting procedures from Mrs. Melson-Williams.","topics_json":"[\"zoning\"]","vector_id":"vec_seg_100911_42","created_at":"2026-10-31T08:18:21Z","speaker_name":"Nikki Denny"},{"id":"seg_100911_43","meeting_id":"100911","media_asset_id":"med_100911_cb53012a9568adfb","agenda_item_id":null,"speaker_id":"spk_100911_dawn_melson_williams","speaker_confidence":0.95,"start_sec":912.24,"end_sec":1010.3,"text":"Um thank you. I'd like to provide the applicants and members of the public uh tonight with an explanation of how the meeting will proceed. Um for the new applications, the city's Development Advisory Committee um reviewed the application uh that is subject to public hearing before the commission tonight. Uh that Development Advisory Committee is made up of the city's major departments, including the planning office, uh the Department of Public Works, the Department of Water Wastewater, uh the office of the Fire Marshal, the electric department, and the Parks and Recreation Department. Additionally, there are other agencies at the state level that participate in that Development Advisory Committee. Those include DelDOT, um which is the State Department of Transportation, um the Kent Conservation District, which is related to stormwater management, and the Dover Kent County MPO, uh which is related to transportation planning. Um the DAC committee um issues a report, and that is part of the planning commission uh meeting packet for um the app- particular application. Uh so tonight with with an application, uh it will begin with the chairman reading the name and the location of the application. Um if you are representing that application, we ask that you move forward to the podium if you're here in the room with us. A staff member will give um","topics_json":"[\"zoning\",\"business\"]","vector_id":"vec_seg_100911_43","created_at":"2026-10-31T08:18:21Z","speaker_name":"Dawn Melson-Williams"},{"id":"seg_100911_44","meeting_id":"100911","media_asset_id":"med_100911_cb53012a9568adfb","agenda_item_id":null,"speaker_id":"spk_100911_dawn_melson_williams","speaker_confidence":0.95,"start_sec":1010.3,"end_sec":1012.81,"text":"Chris, not not yet. We're not to you.","topics_json":"[]","vector_id":"vec_seg_100911_44","created_at":"2026-10-31T08:18:21Z","speaker_name":"Dawn Melson-Williams"},{"id":"seg_100911_45","meeting_id":"100911","media_asset_id":"med_100911_cb53012a9568adfb","agenda_item_id":null,"speaker_id":"spk_100911_dawn_melson_williams","speaker_confidence":0.95,"start_sec":1013.32,"end_sec":1016.86,"text":"We have an anxious applicant. It's okay. You're following instructions. Um","topics_json":"[]","vector_id":"vec_seg_100911_45","created_at":"2026-10-31T08:18:21Z","speaker_name":"Dawn Melson-Williams"},{"id":"seg_100911_46","meeting_id":"100911","media_asset_id":"med_100911_cb53012a9568adfb","agenda_item_id":null,"speaker_id":"spk_100911_dawn_melson_williams","speaker_confidence":0.95,"start_sec":1017.3,"end_sec":1202.37,"text":"so the staff member is pre- going to give a brief overview of the particular application and reference that uh Development Advisory Committee report. Um the chair will then um ask the applicants if they have any additional information to share with the planning commission. Uh the planning commission um will be given the opportunity to ask questions of both the applicant and planning staff. Once we've addressed those initial uh questions, uh the acting chair will declare a public hearing open and will proceed with public testimony. Uh if you're here as a member of the public and would like to address the commission, we ask that if you're here in the room to raise your hand to be recognized. If you have joined us online this evening, um we will go to the online participants uh to find those that wish to speak on that particular application. Uh if you have joined us online, uh if you don't mind including uh a quick chat to the host to identify that uh which application you're here to participate in. And making any statement during that public hearing, we ask that you be as brief as possible and that any questions or comments are limited to the project that is before the commission. If you're here with a group, you can elect someone to uh speak on behalf of that group, and we can recognize that group for the record. Uh it is the policy of the planning commission not to start any new hearing after 10:30 p.m. If there are still agenda items remaining, uh if that will be um the planning commission can elect to recess until another night um selected by the commission. Uh we do ask that you silence or mute your cell phones as a courtesy for all. Uh and if you've joined us online, um please as I noted uh indicate your um preference on which application you're seeking to participate with, and um that you remain in mute unless you are preparing to speak.","topics_json":"[\"zoning\"]","vector_id":"vec_seg_100911_46","created_at":"2026-10-31T08:18:21Z","speaker_name":"Dawn Melson-Williams"},{"id":"seg_100911_47","meeting_id":"100911","media_asset_id":"med_100911_cb53012a9568adfb","agenda_item_id":null,"speaker_id":"spk_100911_dawn_melson_williams","speaker_confidence":0.95,"start_sec":1205.39,"end_sec":1207.01,"text":"All right. Back to you, Madam Chair.","topics_json":"[]","vector_id":"vec_seg_100911_47","created_at":"2026-10-31T08:18:21Z","speaker_name":"Dawn Melson-Williams"},{"id":"seg_100911_48","meeting_id":"100911","media_asset_id":"med_100911_cb53012a9568adfb","agenda_item_id":null,"speaker_id":"spk_100911_nikki_denny","speaker_confidence":0.95,"start_sec":1207.16,"end_sec":1304.41,"text":"Thank- First order um on our first thing on our agenda tonight is old business, and under old business is a is a request for extension of Planning Commission approval. Um and it's we do have a request for um site site plan 24-11 S- I'm sorry, S-24-11, which is lot three, Garrison Oak Park Business and Technology Center, application number S-24-11. And um the applicant is uh respectfully asking or requesting a one-year extension. Um this is uh as a reference, it's the warehouse building at 601 Garrison Oak Drive. Um and the City of Dover Planning Commission originally approved this project at their meeting in August of August 16th of 2024. The reason for the extension request is that the application needs more time to finalize end users for the project before pulling permits. So um that's our first item. Uh is there anybody here who wants to uh speak to that? No.","topics_json":"[\"zoning\",\"business\"]","vector_id":"vec_seg_100911_48","created_at":"2026-10-31T08:18:21Z","speaker_name":"Nikki Denny"},{"id":"seg_100911_49","meeting_id":"100911","media_asset_id":"med_100911_cb53012a9568adfb","agenda_item_id":null,"speaker_id":"spk_100911_dawn_melson_williams","speaker_confidence":0.95,"start_sec":1304.93,"end_sec":1415.29,"text":"Madam Chair, I'm not sure that there is. Um I did have Yeah, so planning um planning staff uh did in- did provide to the planning commission members their letter of request um that was filed once we discovered that it was um coming up on an expiration at the end of this month. So that is site plan S-24-11, a proposal for a warehouse building at 601 Garrison Oak Drive, uh which is lot three of the Garrison Oak Business and Technology Park. Um the site plan does have final site plan approval. Uh that was actually granted, meaning they've gotten all of their agency approvals in hand, um back on April 28th of this year. Uh they have just not moved forward to the permitting process or commenced construction. Um in order to keep a project alive, you have to continue to make progress um on the the request. And let me","topics_json":"[\"zoning\",\"business\"]","vector_id":"vec_seg_100911_49","created_at":"2026-10-31T08:18:21Z","speaker_name":"Dawn Melson-Williams"},{"id":"seg_100911_5","meeting_id":"100911","media_asset_id":"med_100911_cb53012a9568adfb","agenda_item_id":null,"speaker_id":"spk_100911_dawn_melson_williams","speaker_confidence":1,"start_sec":144.55,"end_sec":241.32,"text":"So, uh, the planning staff will introduce the members of the Planning Commission that are here this evening, as well as the staff. Um, we have uh, Ms. Joan Denney, who is uh, the vice chair of the um, Planning Commission, is serving as the acting chair. Uh, we have Andrea Maucher, Mr. Michael Lewis, Ms. Kathleen Welsh, and Dr. Bobby Jones, who are here present in the room. Uh, joining us virtually is Planning Commission member, uh, Mr. Mark Reeves. And also, um, joining us virtually is the the newest appointee, um, observing the meeting here this evening, um, and her name is present this evening. Um, I'm Dawn Melson-Williams, the principal planner for the city. Um, helping with the presentation this evening is Alex Dewey. He is a Planner I with our office. Uh, Krista Mullaney is serving as the secretary, and Jason Lyon, the director of uh, Water Wastewater for the city, has joined us virtually, um, this evening. Uh, so Madam Chair, I will turn it back to you.","topics_json":"[]","vector_id":"vec_seg_100911_5","created_at":"2026-10-31T08:18:21Z","speaker_name":"Dawn Melson-Williams"},{"id":"seg_100911_50","meeting_id":"100911","media_asset_id":"med_100911_cb53012a9568adfb","agenda_item_id":null,"speaker_id":"spk_100911_dawn_melson_williams","speaker_confidence":0.95,"start_sec":1420.3,"end_sec":1429.14,"text":"We have one user, um this is Dawn, the host, that called in this evening. Um I just want to see if you are associated with this request for extension.","topics_json":"[\"zoning\"]","vector_id":"vec_seg_100911_50","created_at":"2026-10-31T08:18:21Z","speaker_name":"Dawn Melson-Williams"},{"id":"seg_100911_51","meeting_id":"100911","media_asset_id":"med_100911_cb53012a9568adfb","agenda_item_id":null,"speaker_id":"spk_100911_dawn_melson_williams","speaker_confidence":0.95,"start_sec":1433.79,"end_sec":1435.33,"text":"Give them a minute.","topics_json":"[]","vector_id":"vec_seg_100911_51","created_at":"2026-10-31T08:18:21Z","speaker_name":"Dawn Melson-Williams"},{"id":"seg_100911_52","meeting_id":"100911","media_asset_id":"med_100911_cb53012a9568adfb","agenda_item_id":null,"speaker_id":"spk_100911_public_commenter","speaker_confidence":0.95,"start_sec":1442.48,"end_sec":1443.36,"text":"No, I'm not.","topics_json":"[]","vector_id":"vec_seg_100911_52","created_at":"2026-10-31T08:18:21Z","speaker_name":null},{"id":"seg_100911_53","meeting_id":"100911","media_asset_id":"med_100911_cb53012a9568adfb","agenda_item_id":null,"speaker_id":"spk_100911_dawn_melson_williams","speaker_confidence":0.95,"start_sec":1443.66,"end_sec":1447.05,"text":"Okay. Um which application are you here associated with?","topics_json":"[]","vector_id":"vec_seg_100911_53","created_at":"2026-10-31T08:18:21Z","speaker_name":"Dawn Melson-Williams"},{"id":"seg_100911_54","meeting_id":"100911","media_asset_id":"med_100911_cb53012a9568adfb","agenda_item_id":null,"speaker_id":"spk_100911_public_commenter","speaker_confidence":0.95,"start_sec":1447.71,"end_sec":1453.24,"text":"Um, I was here uh uh it's supposed to be at 7:00, I think. I'm not sure if it if it already went through, uh the Lafferty Lane project?","topics_json":"[\"zoning\"]","vector_id":"vec_seg_100911_54","created_at":"2026-10-31T08:18:21Z","speaker_name":null},{"id":"seg_100911_55","meeting_id":"100911","media_asset_id":"med_100911_cb53012a9568adfb","agenda_item_id":null,"speaker_id":"spk_100911_dawn_melson_williams","speaker_confidence":0.95,"start_sec":1453.6,"end_sec":1458.76,"text":"That is uh later on our agenda this evening. Um we'll When we get to that, I will check back with you.","topics_json":"[\"zoning\"]","vector_id":"vec_seg_100911_55","created_at":"2026-10-31T08:18:21Z","speaker_name":"Dawn Melson-Williams"},{"id":"seg_100911_56","meeting_id":"100911","media_asset_id":"med_100911_cb53012a9568adfb","agenda_item_id":null,"speaker_id":"spk_100911_public_commenter","speaker_confidence":0.95,"start_sec":1458.98,"end_sec":1460.46,"text":"Okay, thank you.","topics_json":"[]","vector_id":"vec_seg_100911_56","created_at":"2026-10-31T08:18:21Z","speaker_name":null},{"id":"seg_100911_57","meeting_id":"100911","media_asset_id":"med_100911_cb53012a9568adfb","agenda_item_id":null,"speaker_id":"spk_100911_dawn_melson_williams","speaker_confidence":0.95,"start_sec":1462.3,"end_sec":1504.81,"text":"So Madam Chair, there is not a representative of that application here this evening. Um planning staff can try to answer any questions that uh commission members may have. If not, uh you would be seeking a motion for um action on their request for extension.","topics_json":"[\"zoning\"]","vector_id":"vec_seg_100911_57","created_at":"2026-10-31T08:18:21Z","speaker_name":"Dawn Melson-Williams"},{"id":"seg_100911_58","meeting_id":"100911","media_asset_id":"med_100911_cb53012a9568adfb","agenda_item_id":null,"speaker_id":"spk_100911_nikki_denny","speaker_confidence":0.95,"start_sec":1505.54,"end_sec":1514.46,"text":"So at this point, um do any of the members of the Planning Committee have any questions or comments or uh would like to make a motion?","topics_json":"[\"zoning\"]","vector_id":"vec_seg_100911_58","created_at":"2026-10-31T08:18:21Z","speaker_name":"Nikki Denny"},{"id":"seg_100911_59","meeting_id":"100911","media_asset_id":"med_100911_cb53012a9568adfb","agenda_item_id":null,"speaker_id":"spk_100911_robin_maucher","speaker_confidence":0.95,"start_sec":1515.79,"end_sec":1529.86,"text":"Um Madam Acting Chair, I have a just a quick question for uh planning staff. So is there a time period in which they must begin pulling permits? I mean, could they begin as long as they begin before the 1-year extension deadline is up, that's fine? Or is there an expect- expectation that they pull before that?","topics_json":"[\"zoning\"]","vector_id":"vec_seg_100911_59","created_at":"2026-10-31T08:18:21Z","speaker_name":"Robin Maucher"},{"id":"seg_100911_6","meeting_id":"100911","media_asset_id":"med_100911_cb53012a9568adfb","agenda_item_id":null,"speaker_id":"spk_100911_joan_denney","speaker_confidence":1,"start_sec":241.62,"end_sec":254.55,"text":"Thank you. We ask that anyone speaking this evening first introduce themselves before they begin speaking to keep a clear public record. Uh, now let's continue the meeting. Would everyone rise and join me uh, in the Pledge of Allegiance?","topics_json":"[]","vector_id":"vec_seg_100911_6","created_at":"2026-10-31T08:18:21Z","speaker_name":"Joan Denney"},{"id":"seg_100911_60","meeting_id":"100911","media_asset_id":"med_100911_cb53012a9568adfb","agenda_item_id":null,"speaker_id":"spk_100911_dawn_melson_williams","speaker_confidence":0.95,"start_sec":1530.59,"end_sec":1585.41,"text":"So the zoning ord- This is Dawn with the planning office. The the zoning ordinance establishes an approval an initial approval time frame of 2 years from your initial action. Um then the code allows for an additional 1-year extension upon request. Uh so if they are successful with this request, they would have until August 31st, 2027, uh to move into that permitting process, pull a permit, and commence construction.","topics_json":"[\"zoning\"]","vector_id":"vec_seg_100911_60","created_at":"2026-10-31T08:18:21Z","speaker_name":"Dawn Melson-Williams"},{"id":"seg_100911_61","meeting_id":"100911","media_asset_id":"med_100911_cb53012a9568adfb","agenda_item_id":null,"speaker_id":"spk_100911_dawn_melson_williams","speaker_confidence":0.95,"start_sec":1585.92,"end_sec":1593.07,"text":"If they do not pull a permit and commence construction activity, then they will have to um restart the application review process.","topics_json":"[\"zoning\"]","vector_id":"vec_seg_100911_61","created_at":"2026-10-31T08:18:21Z","speaker_name":"Dawn Melson-Williams"},{"id":"seg_100911_62","meeting_id":"100911","media_asset_id":"med_100911_cb53012a9568adfb","agenda_item_id":null,"speaker_id":"spk_100911_robin_maucher","speaker_confidence":0.95,"start_sec":1593.59,"end_sec":1596.98,"text":"Did activity have to um begin by August 31st, or do they just have to pull the permit?","topics_json":"[\"zoning\"]","vector_id":"vec_seg_100911_62","created_at":"2026-10-31T08:18:21Z","speaker_name":"Robin Maucher"},{"id":"seg_100911_63","meeting_id":"100911","media_asset_id":"med_100911_cb53012a9568adfb","agenda_item_id":null,"speaker_id":"spk_100911_dawn_melson_williams","speaker_confidence":0.95,"start_sec":1597.12,"end_sec":1606.48,"text":"They have to pull permits and be in active construction. Um the specific language in the code is commence activity. So, commence that construction activity.","topics_json":"[\"zoning\"]","vector_id":"vec_seg_100911_63","created_at":"2026-10-31T08:18:21Z","speaker_name":"Dawn Melson-Williams"},{"id":"seg_100911_64","meeting_id":"100911","media_asset_id":"med_100911_cb53012a9568adfb","agenda_item_id":null,"speaker_id":"spk_100911_robin_maucher","speaker_confidence":0.95,"start_sec":1606.63,"end_sec":1607.95,"text":"Very good, thank you.","topics_json":"[]","vector_id":"vec_seg_100911_64","created_at":"2026-10-31T08:18:21Z","speaker_name":"Robin Maucher"},{"id":"seg_100911_65","meeting_id":"100911","media_asset_id":"med_100911_cb53012a9568adfb","agenda_item_id":null,"speaker_id":"spk_100911_nikki_denny","speaker_confidence":0.95,"start_sec":1609.79,"end_sec":1643.32,"text":"So, that question answered, I'm look- still looking for a motion.","topics_json":"[\"zoning\"]","vector_id":"vec_seg_100911_65","created_at":"2026-10-31T08:18:21Z","speaker_name":"Nikki Denny"},{"id":"seg_100911_66","meeting_id":"100911","media_asset_id":"med_100911_cb53012a9568adfb","agenda_item_id":null,"speaker_id":"spk_100911_kathleen_welsh","speaker_confidence":0.95,"start_sec":1643.83,"end_sec":1659.3,"text":"Madam Chair, um this is Mrs. Welsh. Um in regard to um S-24-11, warehouse building at 601 Garrison Oak Park Drive extension request, I move that um we approve the request for extension for 1 year. Um","topics_json":"[\"zoning\",\"business\"]","vector_id":"vec_seg_100911_66","created_at":"2026-10-31T08:18:21Z","speaker_name":"Kathleen Welsh"},{"id":"seg_100911_67","meeting_id":"100911","media_asset_id":"med_100911_cb53012a9568adfb","agenda_item_id":null,"speaker_id":"spk_100911_carlton_jones","speaker_confidence":0.95,"start_sec":1661.07,"end_sec":1662.1,"text":"I'll second that motion.","topics_json":"[\"zoning\"]","vector_id":"vec_seg_100911_67","created_at":"2026-10-31T08:18:21Z","speaker_name":"Carlton Jones"},{"id":"seg_100911_68","meeting_id":"100911","media_asset_id":"med_100911_cb53012a9568adfb","agenda_item_id":null,"speaker_id":"spk_100911_nikki_denny","speaker_confidence":0.95,"start_sec":1662.91,"end_sec":1677.72,"text":"Thank you. So, we have a motion from Mrs. Welsh and a motion um from I'm sorry. From Dr. Jones. I'm sorry, Dr. Jones. A second from Dr. Jones. And I think we need to call the roll for this.","topics_json":"[\"zoning\"]","vector_id":"vec_seg_100911_68","created_at":"2026-10-31T08:18:21Z","speaker_name":"Nikki Denny"},{"id":"seg_100911_69","meeting_id":"100911","media_asset_id":"med_100911_cb53012a9568adfb","agenda_item_id":null,"speaker_id":"spk_100911_city_clerk","speaker_confidence":0.95,"start_sec":1680.82,"end_sec":1682.14,"text":"Thank you. Mrs. Welsh?","topics_json":"[]","vector_id":"vec_seg_100911_69","created_at":"2026-10-31T08:18:21Z","speaker_name":"City Clerk"},{"id":"seg_100911_7","meeting_id":"100911","media_asset_id":"med_100911_cb53012a9568adfb","agenda_item_id":null,"speaker_id":"spk_100911_joan_denney","speaker_confidence":1,"start_sec":255.45,"end_sec":266.87,"text":"I pledge allegiance to the flag of the United States of America, and to the republic for which it stands, one nation under God, indivisible, with liberty and justice for all.","topics_json":"[]","vector_id":"vec_seg_100911_7","created_at":"2026-10-31T08:18:21Z","speaker_name":"Joan Denney"},{"id":"seg_100911_70","meeting_id":"100911","media_asset_id":"med_100911_cb53012a9568adfb","agenda_item_id":null,"speaker_id":"spk_100911_kathleen_welsh","speaker_confidence":0.95,"start_sec":1682.59,"end_sec":1683.47,"text":"I vote yes.","topics_json":"[]","vector_id":"vec_seg_100911_70","created_at":"2026-10-31T08:18:21Z","speaker_name":"Kathleen Welsh"},{"id":"seg_100911_71","meeting_id":"100911","media_asset_id":"med_100911_cb53012a9568adfb","agenda_item_id":null,"speaker_id":"spk_100911_city_clerk","speaker_confidence":0.95,"start_sec":1684.87,"end_sec":1685.9,"text":"Mr. Lewis?","topics_json":"[]","vector_id":"vec_seg_100911_71","created_at":"2026-10-31T08:18:21Z","speaker_name":"City Clerk"},{"id":"seg_100911_72","meeting_id":"100911","media_asset_id":"med_100911_cb53012a9568adfb","agenda_item_id":null,"speaker_id":"spk_100911_michael_lewis","speaker_confidence":0.95,"start_sec":1686.27,"end_sec":1686.86,"text":"Yes.","topics_json":"[]","vector_id":"vec_seg_100911_72","created_at":"2026-10-31T08:18:21Z","speaker_name":"Michael Lewis"},{"id":"seg_100911_73","meeting_id":"100911","media_asset_id":"med_100911_cb53012a9568adfb","agenda_item_id":null,"speaker_id":"spk_100911_city_clerk","speaker_confidence":0.95,"start_sec":1687.45,"end_sec":1689.95,"text":"Mr. Roach- oh, I'm sorry, not Mr. Roach. Miss Maucher?","topics_json":"[]","vector_id":"vec_seg_100911_73","created_at":"2026-10-31T08:18:21Z","speaker_name":"City Clerk"},{"id":"seg_100911_74","meeting_id":"100911","media_asset_id":"med_100911_cb53012a9568adfb","agenda_item_id":null,"speaker_id":"spk_100911_robin_maucher","speaker_confidence":0.95,"start_sec":1690.62,"end_sec":1702.26,"text":"I I I vote yes, but I I am a little reluctant. Um It's one thing if they're held up by, you know, things outside of their force, but, you know, to have gone so far along and not have what appears to be tenants for the property. But, I'll vote yes.","topics_json":"[\"zoning\",\"business\"]","vector_id":"vec_seg_100911_74","created_at":"2026-10-31T08:18:21Z","speaker_name":"Robin Maucher"},{"id":"seg_100911_75","meeting_id":"100911","media_asset_id":"med_100911_cb53012a9568adfb","agenda_item_id":null,"speaker_id":"spk_100911_city_clerk","speaker_confidence":0.95,"start_sec":1703.58,"end_sec":1704.84,"text":"Um Dr. Jones?","topics_json":"[]","vector_id":"vec_seg_100911_75","created_at":"2026-10-31T08:18:21Z","speaker_name":"City Clerk"},{"id":"seg_100911_76","meeting_id":"100911","media_asset_id":"med_100911_cb53012a9568adfb","agenda_item_id":null,"speaker_id":"spk_100911_carlton_jones","speaker_confidence":0.95,"start_sec":1705.28,"end_sec":1706.09,"text":"Oh, yes.","topics_json":"[]","vector_id":"vec_seg_100911_76","created_at":"2026-10-31T08:18:21Z","speaker_name":"Carlton Jones"},{"id":"seg_100911_77","meeting_id":"100911","media_asset_id":"med_100911_cb53012a9568adfb","agenda_item_id":null,"speaker_id":"spk_100911_city_clerk","speaker_confidence":0.95,"start_sec":1706.6,"end_sec":1707.63,"text":"Mr. Reeves?","topics_json":"[]","vector_id":"vec_seg_100911_77","created_at":"2026-10-31T08:18:21Z","speaker_name":"City Clerk"},{"id":"seg_100911_78","meeting_id":"100911","media_asset_id":"med_100911_cb53012a9568adfb","agenda_item_id":null,"speaker_id":"spk_100911_eric_reeves","speaker_confidence":0.95,"start_sec":1708.15,"end_sec":1708.81,"text":"Vote yes.","topics_json":"[]","vector_id":"vec_seg_100911_78","created_at":"2026-10-31T08:18:21Z","speaker_name":"Eric Reeves"},{"id":"seg_100911_79","meeting_id":"100911","media_asset_id":"med_100911_cb53012a9568adfb","agenda_item_id":null,"speaker_id":"spk_100911_city_clerk","speaker_confidence":0.95,"start_sec":1709.62,"end_sec":1710.51,"text":"And Mrs. Denny?","topics_json":"[]","vector_id":"vec_seg_100911_79","created_at":"2026-10-31T08:18:21Z","speaker_name":"City Clerk"},{"id":"seg_100911_8","meeting_id":"100911","media_asset_id":"med_100911_cb53012a9568adfb","agenda_item_id":null,"speaker_id":"spk_100911_joan_denney","speaker_confidence":1,"start_sec":268.67,"end_sec":271.08,"text":"Okay. Ms. Mullaney, would you please call the roll?","topics_json":"[]","vector_id":"vec_seg_100911_8","created_at":"2026-10-31T08:18:21Z","speaker_name":"Joan Denney"},{"id":"seg_100911_80","meeting_id":"100911","media_asset_id":"med_100911_cb53012a9568adfb","agenda_item_id":null,"speaker_id":"spk_100911_nikki_denny","speaker_confidence":0.95,"start_sec":1710.95,"end_sec":1711.69,"text":"I vote yes.","topics_json":"[]","vector_id":"vec_seg_100911_80","created_at":"2026-10-31T08:18:21Z","speaker_name":"Nikki Denny"},{"id":"seg_100911_81","meeting_id":"100911","media_asset_id":"med_100911_cb53012a9568adfb","agenda_item_id":null,"speaker_id":"spk_100911_city_clerk","speaker_confidence":0.95,"start_sec":1712.42,"end_sec":1715,"text":"6 yes votes, 0 no votes. Motion carries.","topics_json":"[]","vector_id":"vec_seg_100911_81","created_at":"2026-10-31T08:18:21Z","speaker_name":"City Clerk"},{"id":"seg_100911_82","meeting_id":"100911","media_asset_id":"med_100911_cb53012a9568adfb","agenda_item_id":null,"speaker_id":"spk_100911_nikki_denny","speaker_confidence":0.95,"start_sec":1715.96,"end_sec":1716.92,"text":"Thank you.","topics_json":"[]","vector_id":"vec_seg_100911_82","created_at":"2026-10-31T08:18:21Z","speaker_name":"Nikki Denny"},{"id":"seg_100911_83","meeting_id":"100911","media_asset_id":"med_100911_cb53012a9568adfb","agenda_item_id":null,"speaker_id":"spk_100911_nikki_denny","speaker_confidence":0.95,"start_sec":1718.61,"end_sec":1762.01,"text":"Okay, so um we have a revision uh next on the agenda under old business is a revision to application H-124-07, Legislative Hall building addition at 411 Legislation Legislative Avenue. Um The revision is for the west entrance ADA ramp. Is there anybody here who would like to speak? Come forward.","topics_json":"[\"zoning\"]","vector_id":"vec_seg_100911_83","created_at":"2026-10-31T08:18:21Z","speaker_name":"Nikki Denny"},{"id":"seg_100911_84","meeting_id":"100911","media_asset_id":"med_100911_cb53012a9568adfb","agenda_item_id":null,"speaker_id":"spk_100911_dawn_melson_williams","speaker_confidence":0.95,"start_sec":1763.33,"end_sec":1807.98,"text":"So as the applicant's coming forward and signing in, um planning staff will give a a a briefing on this. Uh so this um this request is specifically associated with a proposal to add a west entrance uh ADA ramp um to the Legislative Hall building. Uh this property uh previously went through review with the Historic District Commission and Planning Commission back in the fall of 2024 uh for what is a proposed Legislative Hall building addition on the east side of the building. Um this however um it makes a change to the west side of the building. Uh it was presented to the Historic District Commission um back in June and July of of this year. Uh the Historic District Commission initially had some design concerns with um the opening um or the entry door, if you will, uh from the ramp system into the Legislative Hall building and asked the applicant to um do some design improvements uh to go back and take a look at that. Uh they did that, and that information was presented to the Historic District Commission at their meeting in July. Um and uh that July 16th meeting date, uh the Historic District Commission uh is recommending approval of the revised architectural review certificate associated with this application, which is HI-24-07. Um it just will be added The information will be added to the overall project, uh but because of how intertwined it was with what was previously presented to both the Historic District Commission and um the Planning Commission, uh we're bringing that back as at least an informational reporting um to you. Uh so as you can see in the image and the and the plan diagram that was presented, um the west entrance to Legislative Hall currently has kind of set of uh monumental steps that brings you up into the kind of elevated first floor entry. Um With any potential project affecting the east side of the building, then um their ADA accessibility becomes more limited for this building, so um this ramp uh addition on the west side was proposed. It is a brick ramp with a um kind of","topics_json":"[\"zoning\"]","vector_id":"vec_seg_100911_84","created_at":"2026-10-31T08:18:21Z","speaker_name":"Dawn Melson-Williams"},{"id":"seg_100911_85","meeting_id":"100911","media_asset_id":"med_100911_cb53012a9568adfb","agenda_item_id":null,"speaker_id":"spk_100911_dawn_melson_williams","speaker_confidence":1,"start_sec":1807.98,"end_sec":1833.89,"text":"metal railing system and it makes entry into the building through what is currently a window. Um and with this design, they're redesigning that window opening into a door opening. Uh the planning uh the Historic District Commission encouraged keeping basically the general form of that window opening including the uh the keystone that's above, and encouraging uh the use of glass in that door uh to replicate, at least from a distance, the sense that it is very similar to the window um because of the uh significant amount of symmetry that exists on this side of the building. Um","topics_json":"[\"zoning\"]","vector_id":"vec_seg_100911_85","created_at":"2026-10-31T08:18:21Z","speaker_name":"Dawn Melson-Williams"},{"id":"seg_100911_86","meeting_id":"100911","media_asset_id":"med_100911_cb53012a9568adfb","agenda_item_id":null,"speaker_id":"spk_100911_dawn_melson_williams","speaker_confidence":1,"start_sec":1834.55,"end_sec":1893.41,"text":"So we have included uh in your packet the kind of this the review uh portion of the the Historic District Commission what they saw and the including the staff recommendations. Um the applicant is here this evening uh and you can hear from him a little bit more about the this particular aspect of the of the project. Um we bring it to you uh somewhat like an informational item because this is something that uh the form could have just been approved by the Historic District Commission, but because you saw a larger project and ultimately issued that architectural review certification, we felt it best to have the information presented to you as well. Uh there is no public hearing required um with this application presentation. Um so Madam Chair, I think at this point we can certainly hear from the applicant's representative.","topics_json":"[\"zoning\"]","vector_id":"vec_seg_100911_86","created_at":"2026-10-31T08:18:21Z","speaker_name":"Dawn Melson-Williams"},{"id":"seg_100911_87","meeting_id":"100911","media_asset_id":"med_100911_cb53012a9568adfb","agenda_item_id":null,"speaker_id":"spk_100911_denny","speaker_confidence":1,"start_sec":1894.07,"end_sec":1897.01,"text":"Thank you. So uh Mr. Ridgely?","topics_json":"[\"zoning\"]","vector_id":"vec_seg_100911_87","created_at":"2026-10-31T08:18:21Z","speaker_name":"Denny"},{"id":"seg_100911_88","meeting_id":"100911","media_asset_id":"med_100911_cb53012a9568adfb","agenda_item_id":null,"speaker_id":"spk_100911_dan_ridgely","speaker_confidence":1,"start_sec":1897.31,"end_sec":1954.43,"text":"Thank you, Mrs. Denny. Uh my name is Dan Ridgely. I'm one of the project architects with Studio JAED on the Legislative Hall expansion project. Uh Mrs. Melson-Williams explained it very well, uh the intent uh to add a um ADA compliant uh ramp to the west side of Legislative Hall. Um just a little history on how we got here. Uh we've been uh um commissioned to design a addition to Legislative Hall, which takes care of some programming needs they have. Uh and it has been placed on the east side of the property. That addition will be fully ADA compliant uh and will include uh multiple elevators, interior, and all the interior spaces will be uh ADA compliant. Uh the um issue that we have we're currently trying to address is that during uh construction, which we estimate to take","topics_json":"[\"zoning\"]","vector_id":"vec_seg_100911_88","created_at":"2026-10-31T08:18:21Z","speaker_name":"Dan Ridgely"},{"id":"seg_100911_89","meeting_id":"100911","media_asset_id":"med_100911_cb53012a9568adfb","agenda_item_id":null,"speaker_id":"spk_100911_dan_ridgely","speaker_confidence":1,"start_sec":1960.2,"end_sec":2007.21,"text":"several years, uh of the uh the addition, we have to take the current ADA uh access to the building offline, which is on the east side of the of the building. So as you see the site plan that's on the screen there and you can see the darker uh somewhat rectangular shaped space on the upper side of the plan, that's roughly where the current ADA ramp is going, um within that addition footprint. Or that's where it is. So um when we start building that addition, we have to take the ramp offline. So, uh talking to um our client, which is","topics_json":"[\"zoning\"]","vector_id":"vec_seg_100911_89","created_at":"2026-10-31T08:18:21Z","speaker_name":"Dan Ridgely"},{"id":"seg_100911_9","meeting_id":"100911","media_asset_id":"med_100911_cb53012a9568adfb","agenda_item_id":null,"speaker_id":"spk_100911_city_clerk","speaker_confidence":1,"start_sec":271.08,"end_sec":272.28,"text":"Thank you. Mr. Lewis?","topics_json":"[]","vector_id":"vec_seg_100911_9","created_at":"2026-10-31T08:18:21Z","speaker_name":"City Clerk"},{"id":"seg_100911_90","meeting_id":"100911","media_asset_id":"med_100911_cb53012a9568adfb","agenda_item_id":null,"speaker_id":"spk_100911_dan_ridgely","speaker_confidence":1,"start_sec":2009.55,"end_sec":2077.85,"text":"Division of Facilities Management with the State of Delaware, they directed us to uh propose a permanent ramp on the west side. And we came up with one that we we took special care to respect the symmetry of the facade uh and the historic uh detailing of it, um but also trying to make it um a function uh as it intends and uh come to a point in the building where it can um uh be uh uh addressed by security, as well as the other public entrance. So security has has given us approval at this location. We found it constructible and uh did our best to um maintain the aesthetics. And And obviously it it does take away a little bit from the symmetry of the building, but we've uh we're doing what we can to maintain it by keeping the window opening as as as Mrs. Melson mentioned, uh large, uh using a lot of glass, and white trim uh to match the uh the opposite window and um and using architectural details that uh are appropriate for the uh the high level of detail on the building, and with the uh wrought iron railing","topics_json":"[\"zoning\"]","vector_id":"vec_seg_100911_90","created_at":"2026-10-31T08:18:21Z","speaker_name":"Dan Ridgely"},{"id":"seg_100911_91","meeting_id":"100911","media_asset_id":"med_100911_cb53012a9568adfb","agenda_item_id":null,"speaker_id":"spk_100911_dan_ridgely","speaker_confidence":1,"start_sec":2078.51,"end_sec":2134.3,"text":"systems uh or or a they they look like wrought iron, it may be aluminum, and the brick work on the ramp. Uh we would also be um using a a snow melt system, which um would provide a safe access. Uh So um uh that is uh our proposal today is to add this west ramp to our overall scope of work uh so that the building, which will remain occupied during construction, uh can maintain its accessibility, and then for the foreseeable future, have multiple accessible points of entry.","topics_json":"[\"zoning\"]","vector_id":"vec_seg_100911_91","created_at":"2026-10-31T08:18:21Z","speaker_name":"Dan Ridgely"},{"id":"seg_100911_92","meeting_id":"100911","media_asset_id":"med_100911_cb53012a9568adfb","agenda_item_id":null,"speaker_id":"spk_100911_denny","speaker_confidence":1,"start_sec":2135.08,"end_sec":2140.55,"text":"Thank you. Do any of the members have any questions or comments?","topics_json":"[\"zoning\"]","vector_id":"vec_seg_100911_92","created_at":"2026-10-31T08:18:21Z","speaker_name":"Denny"},{"id":"seg_100911_93","meeting_id":"100911","media_asset_id":"med_100911_cb53012a9568adfb","agenda_item_id":null,"speaker_id":"spk_100911_maucher","speaker_confidence":1,"start_sec":2140.97,"end_sec":2141.75,"text":"Yeah, if","topics_json":"[\"zoning\"]","vector_id":"vec_seg_100911_93","created_at":"2026-10-31T08:18:21Z","speaker_name":"Maucher"},{"id":"seg_100911_94","meeting_id":"100911","media_asset_id":"med_100911_cb53012a9568adfb","agenda_item_id":null,"speaker_id":"spk_100911_denny","speaker_confidence":1,"start_sec":2141.99,"end_sec":2142.66,"text":"Of course.","topics_json":"[\"zoning\"]","vector_id":"vec_seg_100911_94","created_at":"2026-10-31T08:18:21Z","speaker_name":"Denny"},{"id":"seg_100911_95","meeting_id":"100911","media_asset_id":"med_100911_cb53012a9568adfb","agenda_item_id":null,"speaker_id":"spk_100911_maucher","speaker_confidence":1,"start_sec":2142.84,"end_sec":2181.61,"text":"I got something always. Um, so I saw in the uh in the the summary in the Historic Commission review, one of the questions was how close is uh handicap parking to this? Because I know we have the parking garage going over, is it going Are they going to have to go all the way from there or is there uh handicap parking on the streets or immediately on the backside of the west side?","topics_json":"[\"zoning\"]","vector_id":"vec_seg_100911_95","created_at":"2026-10-31T08:18:21Z","speaker_name":"Maucher"},{"id":"seg_100911_96","meeting_id":"100911","media_asset_id":"med_100911_cb53012a9568adfb","agenda_item_id":null,"speaker_id":"spk_100911_dan_ridgely","speaker_confidence":1,"start_sec":2181.67,"end_sec":2247.14,"text":"Th- That's a great question, Ms. Maucher. So if you look at the screen there uh or any screen, you can see uh on the right-hand side of the page, that is Martin Luther King South. And um and on that side we're proposing restriping and reorienting parking spaces to create multiple ADA spots. And there will be an accessible route uh from those spots to the uh uh new ramp. Uh we're also uh adding a ramp on the site. Uh you could see there in the bottom le- uh right there uh a little red area, uh that's currently brick steps. So we're going to convert that to a ramp as well. So there will be an accessible route. Um however we uh since this plan's been submission submitted, excuse me, we took note of the Historical Route Board's recommendation and we asked our civil uh designer to add uh some ADA uh parking on the north side, too. That was their recommendation. So uh we're looking to improve on the plan you're looking at today.","topics_json":"[\"zoning\"]","vector_id":"vec_seg_100911_96","created_at":"2026-10-31T08:18:21Z","speaker_name":"Dan Ridgely"},{"id":"seg_100911_97","meeting_id":"100911","media_asset_id":"med_100911_cb53012a9568adfb","agenda_item_id":null,"speaker_id":"spk_100911_maucher","speaker_confidence":1,"start_sec":2248.1,"end_sec":2256.16,"text":"And just one other curiosity, um was pulling out the steps out further and making a more of a platform, was that not an option? Cuz then I think you It's just odd that you're um taking a window and making it into a door and it's going to","topics_json":"[\"zoning\"]","vector_id":"vec_seg_100911_97","created_at":"2026-10-31T08:18:21Z","speaker_name":"Maucher"},{"id":"seg_100911_98","meeting_id":"100911","media_asset_id":"med_100911_cb53012a9568adfb","agenda_item_id":null,"speaker_id":"spk_100911_dan_ridgely","speaker_confidence":1,"start_sec":2256.28,"end_sec":2293.13,"text":"So So there there's a challenge inside the building. As you walk into that front door, there's an additional four or five steps. Uh you're in a vestibule and then to get to the main level, there's additional steps. Unfortunately we don't have the uh it would be a lot more disruptive, I guess I could say, to modify that main entrance to be accessible.","topics_json":"[\"zoning\"]","vector_id":"vec_seg_100911_98","created_at":"2026-10-31T08:18:21Z","speaker_name":"Dan Ridgely"},{"id":"seg_100911_99","meeting_id":"100911","media_asset_id":"med_100911_cb53012a9568adfb","agenda_item_id":null,"speaker_id":"spk_100911_maucher","speaker_confidence":1,"start_sec":2293.25,"end_sec":2293.67,"text":"Thank you.","topics_json":"[\"zoning\"]","vector_id":"vec_seg_100911_99","created_at":"2026-10-31T08:18:21Z","speaker_name":"Maucher"},{"id":"seg_100940_1","meeting_id":"100940","media_asset_id":"med_100940_64d27f33b7194954","agenda_item_id":null,"speaker_id":"spk_100940_meeting_leader","speaker_confidence":0.9,"start_sec":0,"end_sec":30.44,"text":"It's 6:00, we want to go ahead and get started with our evening. We do have some things to cover, so we will get started more sooner than later. So, first we have our open forum and we want to allow 10 minutes. That's what it says, 10 minutes, but we usually allow them to go ahead and take not as long as they need to, but I'm sure it goes past 10 minutes. We won't worry about the 10 minutes, but we are going to oh start with the open forum, and we're going to go ahead and get started. Do we have our our sign-in sheet?","topics_json":"[]","vector_id":"vec_seg_100940_1","created_at":"2026-10-31T08:05:59Z","speaker_name":null},{"id":"seg_100940_10","meeting_id":"100940","media_asset_id":"med_100940_64d27f33b7194954","agenda_item_id":null,"speaker_id":"spk_100940_vonda_smack","speaker_confidence":0.95,"start_sec":180.73,"end_sec":182.15,"text":"And we can all follow through.","topics_json":"[]","vector_id":"vec_seg_100940_10","created_at":"2026-10-31T08:05:59Z","speaker_name":"Vonda Smack"},{"id":"seg_100940_100","meeting_id":"100940","media_asset_id":"med_100940_64d27f33b7194954","agenda_item_id":null,"speaker_id":"spk_100940_ms_pennington","speaker_confidence":0.9,"start_sec":1503.09,"end_sec":1505.89,"text":"All right. All right, let me get out of here.","topics_json":"[]","vector_id":"vec_seg_100940_100","created_at":"2026-10-31T08:06:00Z","speaker_name":"Ms. Pennington"},{"id":"seg_100940_101","meeting_id":"100940","media_asset_id":"med_100940_64d27f33b7194954","agenda_item_id":null,"speaker_id":"spk_100940_commissioner","speaker_confidence":0.8,"start_sec":1506.73,"end_sec":1508.01,"text":"Okay.","topics_json":"[]","vector_id":"vec_seg_100940_101","created_at":"2026-10-31T08:06:00Z","speaker_name":null},{"id":"seg_100940_102","meeting_id":"100940","media_asset_id":"med_100940_64d27f33b7194954","agenda_item_id":null,"speaker_id":"spk_100940_public_commenter","speaker_confidence":0.8,"start_sec":1508.17,"end_sec":1521.29,"text":"I'm not involved in the committee. I don't know what you're doing. I'm not a millionaire, but I'm going to give you $10 to go towards whatever you need for them children.","topics_json":"[\"community\"]","vector_id":"vec_seg_100940_102","created_at":"2026-10-31T08:06:00Z","speaker_name":null},{"id":"seg_100940_103","meeting_id":"100940","media_asset_id":"med_100940_64d27f33b7194954","agenda_item_id":null,"speaker_id":"spk_100940_ms_pennington","speaker_confidence":0.9,"start_sec":1521.49,"end_sec":1526.01,"text":"Oh, thank you, baby. I appreciate that. Look at that! Go ahead, look at God.","topics_json":"[\"community\"]","vector_id":"vec_seg_100940_103","created_at":"2026-10-31T08:06:00Z","speaker_name":"Ms. Pennington"},{"id":"seg_100940_104","meeting_id":"100940","media_asset_id":"med_100940_64d27f33b7194954","agenda_item_id":null,"speaker_id":"spk_100940_commissioner","speaker_confidence":0.8,"start_sec":1526.41,"end_sec":1530.25,"text":"Ms. Pennington, don't don't let your seat get too warm.","topics_json":"[]","vector_id":"vec_seg_100940_104","created_at":"2026-10-31T08:06:00Z","speaker_name":null},{"id":"seg_100940_105","meeting_id":"100940","media_asset_id":"med_100940_64d27f33b7194954","agenda_item_id":null,"speaker_id":"spk_100940_ms_pennington","speaker_confidence":0.9,"start_sec":1530.33,"end_sec":1531.49,"text":"I felt that.","topics_json":"[]","vector_id":"vec_seg_100940_105","created_at":"2026-10-31T08:06:00Z","speaker_name":"Ms. Pennington"},{"id":"seg_100940_106","meeting_id":"100940","media_asset_id":"med_100940_64d27f33b7194954","agenda_item_id":null,"speaker_id":"spk_100940_commissioner","speaker_confidence":0.8,"start_sec":1531.49,"end_sec":1543.65,"text":"Don't don't even get comfortable. We appreciate the Dover uh the Coalition of Dover coming out and and expressing what what they're about, and the work that you all are doing in the community. We do see uh what's going on, so we appreciate it and and we try to","topics_json":"[\"community\"]","vector_id":"vec_seg_100940_106","created_at":"2026-10-31T08:06:00Z","speaker_name":null},{"id":"seg_100940_107","meeting_id":"100940","media_asset_id":"med_100940_64d27f33b7194954","agenda_item_id":null,"speaker_id":"spk_100940_commissioner","speaker_confidence":0.8,"start_sec":1546.17,"end_sec":1552.01,"text":"we want to try to um do along right with you and and take those steps as well, make sure some things happen.","topics_json":"[\"community\"]","vector_id":"vec_seg_100940_107","created_at":"2026-10-31T08:06:00Z","speaker_name":null},{"id":"seg_100940_108","meeting_id":"100940","media_asset_id":"med_100940_64d27f33b7194954","agenda_item_id":null,"speaker_id":"spk_100940_ms_pennington","speaker_confidence":0.9,"start_sec":1552.01,"end_sec":1558.01,"text":"Thank you so much, we appreciate you. We'll be waiting. All right. Thank you and um y'all have I'm sorry I have to leave,","topics_json":"[]","vector_id":"vec_seg_100940_108","created_at":"2026-10-31T08:06:00Z","speaker_name":"Ms. Pennington"},{"id":"seg_100940_109","meeting_id":"100940","media_asset_id":"med_100940_64d27f33b7194954","agenda_item_id":null,"speaker_id":"spk_100940_ms_pennington","speaker_confidence":0.9,"start_sec":1560.53,"end_sec":1572.73,"text":"but uh Todd Dr. Travers, uh Sadler, and also Faust have my my contact information. If any of y'all want it, just get it from them, and Ms. Bonnie got it. And Mr. Sadler. All right? Bye.","topics_json":"[]","vector_id":"vec_seg_100940_109","created_at":"2026-10-31T08:06:00Z","speaker_name":"Ms. Pennington"},{"id":"seg_100940_11","meeting_id":"100940","media_asset_id":"med_100940_64d27f33b7194954","agenda_item_id":null,"speaker_id":"spk_100940_vonda_smack","speaker_confidence":0.95,"start_sec":182.81,"end_sec":196.62,"text":"How you doing? My name is Vonda Smack. I'm a community organizer and activist here in the city of Dover, been doing it a long time. When El-Nour 35 became a staple in our community, it was my space to go after chemo appointments, getting educated on some natural stuff to help me while I'm fighting. And as I started speaking with Brother Amari, I noticed that we had a lot in common that we wanted for our community, him and Enrico. And so we came up with this idea, cuz we know a lot of organizations within our community, we should come up with something called the Coalition of Dover because we all, you know, agree on a lot of the same things that we want to see in our community so that it can thrive, especially our marginalized communities. And so this is how we got the Coalition of Dover. All right? So we are a community-led solutions and people-powered","topics_json":"[]","vector_id":"vec_seg_100940_11","created_at":"2026-10-31T08:05:59Z","speaker_name":"Vonda Smack"},{"id":"seg_100940_110","meeting_id":"100940","media_asset_id":"med_100940_64d27f33b7194954","agenda_item_id":null,"speaker_id":"spk_100940_public_commenter","speaker_confidence":0.95,"start_sec":1572.92,"end_sec":1580.31,"text":"...to put out a referendum or zoning for um, I'm looking in to see if the community would be willing to take a self-defense class for women.","topics_json":"[\"public_safety\"]","vector_id":"vec_seg_100940_110","created_at":"2026-10-31T08:06:00Z","speaker_name":null},{"id":"seg_100940_111","meeting_id":"100940","media_asset_id":"med_100940_64d27f33b7194954","agenda_item_id":null,"speaker_id":"spk_100940_public_commenter","speaker_confidence":0.95,"start_sec":1580.5,"end_sec":1589.81,"text":"I have done a lot of research. I have looked into certain ones. I have talked to several people about trying to get this program up to date, and to see if we can get it done.","topics_json":"[\"public_safety\"]","vector_id":"vec_seg_100940_111","created_at":"2026-10-31T08:06:00Z","speaker_name":null},{"id":"seg_100940_112","meeting_id":"100940","media_asset_id":"med_100940_64d27f33b7194954","agenda_item_id":null,"speaker_id":"spk_100940_public_commenter","speaker_confidence":0.95,"start_sec":1590.18,"end_sec":1596.08,"text":"Um, I have talked to Chief Johnson. He said he's unable to do it because of insurance purposes. I understand that.","topics_json":"[\"public_safety\"]","vector_id":"vec_seg_100940_112","created_at":"2026-10-31T08:06:00Z","speaker_name":null},{"id":"seg_100940_113","meeting_id":"100940","media_asset_id":"med_100940_64d27f33b7194954","agenda_item_id":null,"speaker_id":"spk_100940_public_commenter","speaker_confidence":0.95,"start_sec":1596.33,"end_sec":1602.48,"text":"Then I went to Yosho's martial arts, I'm sorry. They want $159 a month for a one-year contract. That knocked them right out.","topics_json":"[\"public_safety\",\"budget\"]","vector_id":"vec_seg_100940_113","created_at":"2026-10-31T08:06:00Z","speaker_name":null},{"id":"seg_100940_114","meeting_id":"100940","media_asset_id":"med_100940_64d27f33b7194954","agenda_item_id":null,"speaker_id":"spk_100940_public_commenter","speaker_confidence":0.95,"start_sec":1602.61,"end_sec":1610.12,"text":"Then I met a lady at Dover Days that she's not interested in really doing a self-defense class for just women. That's who I spoke with. I only have one. Um.","topics_json":"[\"public_safety\"]","vector_id":"vec_seg_100940_114","created_at":"2026-10-31T08:06:00Z","speaker_name":null},{"id":"seg_100940_115","meeting_id":"100940","media_asset_id":"med_100940_64d27f33b7194954","agenda_item_id":null,"speaker_id":"spk_100940_public_commenter","speaker_confidence":0.95,"start_sec":1610.49,"end_sec":1651.23,"text":"Then I also went to Delaware Tac- whatever that word is, um, I talked to him, and I'm looking into him because the simple fact is he was an ex-police officer, he does he does military training, he is willing to do up to 20 to 25 women, men, whatever, any age.","topics_json":"[\"public_safety\"]","vector_id":"vec_seg_100940_115","created_at":"2026-10-31T08:06:00Z","speaker_name":null},{"id":"seg_100940_116","meeting_id":"100940","media_asset_id":"med_100940_64d27f33b7194954","agenda_item_id":null,"speaker_id":"spk_100940_public_commenter","speaker_confidence":0.95,"start_sec":1651.36,"end_sec":1666.88,"text":"He also is willing to learn how to or teach sorry, I'm sorry, teach us how to hands-on surrounding, so if someone punches you, he's willing to teach the Mace, if you have Mace. He's also willing to teach you how to hold a gun and represent a gun without pulling the trigger so you don't have to shoot somebody and go to jail.","topics_json":"[\"public_safety\"]","vector_id":"vec_seg_100940_116","created_at":"2026-10-31T08:06:00Z","speaker_name":null},{"id":"seg_100940_117","meeting_id":"100940","media_asset_id":"med_100940_64d27f33b7194954","agenda_item_id":null,"speaker_id":"spk_100940_public_commenter","speaker_confidence":0.95,"start_sec":1667.07,"end_sec":1708.8,"text":"Um, he is a little bit expensive, he's uh, it's $20 to $25 an hour, or- a session, but he said if it's in an organization he's willing to come down on the price, because that's like $600. Um, he is willing to come down in the price. He also is willing to do two to three classes, or how many classes it takes to teach these women self-defense.","topics_json":"[\"public_safety\",\"budget\"]","vector_id":"vec_seg_100940_117","created_at":"2026-10-31T08:06:00Z","speaker_name":null},{"id":"seg_100940_118","meeting_id":"100940","media_asset_id":"med_100940_64d27f33b7194954","agenda_item_id":null,"speaker_id":"spk_100940_public_commenter","speaker_confidence":0.95,"start_sec":1709.18,"end_sec":1728.18,"text":"I had It took I spent several hours to get ahold of this gentleman, and I'm leaning to him, Travis, because I had another lady from Seven Elements. She didn't kind of act like she wanted to do it, and she doesn't want to give you hands-on. And what I'm looking for is like hands-on to show a woman or show a senior citizen, \"Hey, this is what you do if someone approaches you.\"","topics_json":"[\"public_safety\"]","vector_id":"vec_seg_100940_118","created_at":"2026-10-31T08:06:00Z","speaker_name":null},{"id":"seg_100940_119","meeting_id":"100940","media_asset_id":"med_100940_64d27f33b7194954","agenda_item_id":null,"speaker_id":"spk_100940_public_commenter","speaker_confidence":0.95,"start_sec":1728.3,"end_sec":1769.54,"text":"The reason I come up with something like this is because every meeting that I come to and I listen to, I hear these women say, \"I'm scared to come out of my home. I'm scared to go to the grocery store. Or I'm scared to do this, or I'm scared to do that.\" I don't care who you are, where you live, I don't care if you pay a dollar for rent, you have no business of being scared to come out of your home.","topics_json":"[\"public_safety\",\"housing\"]","vector_id":"vec_seg_100940_119","created_at":"2026-10-31T08:06:00Z","speaker_name":null},{"id":"seg_100940_12","meeting_id":"100940","media_asset_id":"med_100940_64d27f33b7194954","agenda_item_id":null,"speaker_id":"spk_100940_public_commenter","speaker_confidence":0.9,"start_sec":196.62,"end_sec":293.52,"text":"action, um, organization. Uh, we work together to make Dover a safe and decent and thriving place to live. And we do it one street at a time. That's how we do it. Um, what, some of our things that we like, um, is house, that we really fight for is housing, healing, um, opportunity, and care. We see the pain on our community's faces. A lot of our community members do not know how to deal with this economy that we are in now. They don't know the resources to go to, to go get food, get help with the, a bill, and sometimes it drives them to other things that they've never done, which you all know, which could be drug addiction, could be drinking, could be going to steal something from the grocery store. So, a lot of what we've done doing in this, what, past nine months has really been mentoring some of our people in the community.","topics_json":"[\"housing\",\"public_safety\"]","vector_id":"vec_seg_100940_12","created_at":"2026-10-31T08:05:59Z","speaker_name":null},{"id":"seg_100940_120","meeting_id":"100940","media_asset_id":"med_100940_64d27f33b7194954","agenda_item_id":null,"speaker_id":"spk_100940_public_commenter_1","speaker_confidence":0.9,"start_sec":1769.54,"end_sec":1883.34,"text":"Second thing is I've had a lot of people come to me and ask me what to do because they have been approached at the grocery stores. They were fol-, walked into the, walk up to the car, bang on the window, asked them for money. And they're scared, and I don't blame them because they're women. So that is something that I'm interesting in trying to get open, so I do have a building um the community research center over there by the bar. Miss Harris is the one who said we could use that building over there on Saturdays. The guy wanted to do it Saturday and Sunday, and I said, \"Well, what about Saturday? Because Sunday, they do do church over there, and you don't want a bunch of noise why they're trying to, you know, do their church service.\" But that is what I came up with, and that's what I'm appealing to everyone who to see about how that sounds, and if that's a good idea to get the community together. In this, my situation, I want to see the community come together like everybody else does. And right now nobody's coming together. Everybody's running this way, this way, and that way. That's not what Dover needs. Dover needs people to help out.","topics_json":"[\"public_safety\"]","vector_id":"vec_seg_100940_120","created_at":"2026-10-31T08:06:00Z","speaker_name":null},{"id":"seg_100940_121","meeting_id":"100940","media_asset_id":"med_100940_64d27f33b7194954","agenda_item_id":null,"speaker_id":"spk_100940_public_commenter_1","speaker_confidence":0.9,"start_sec":1889.24,"end_sec":1921.24,"text":"I can volunteer sometimes. I can't do it all the time. Like I told him, and I'm going to tell you, I take care of my grandson 24 hours a day, 7 days a week, and he is disabled. So I have to, a lot of my focus is staying on him. But I did take my time to research all this, go up on the computer and see what we can do to help these ladies, even gentlemen, if they, you know, if they can't defend themselves, to see what we can do to help these ladies to protect themselves.","topics_json":"[\"public_safety\"]","vector_id":"vec_seg_100940_121","created_at":"2026-10-31T08:06:00Z","speaker_name":null},{"id":"seg_100940_122","meeting_id":"100940","media_asset_id":"med_100940_64d27f33b7194954","agenda_item_id":null,"speaker_id":"spk_100940_male_commissioner_1","speaker_confidence":0.85,"start_sec":1923.34,"end_sec":1926.34,"text":"The paperwork that you handed me, do you have more copies?","topics_json":"[]","vector_id":"vec_seg_100940_122","created_at":"2026-10-31T08:06:00Z","speaker_name":null},{"id":"seg_100940_123","meeting_id":"100940","media_asset_id":"med_100940_64d27f33b7194954","agenda_item_id":null,"speaker_id":"spk_100940_public_commenter_1","speaker_confidence":0.9,"start_sec":1926.54,"end_sec":1944.54,"text":"No, that's all I could get was one. Um unfortunately, my computer went up on me. I had to go get Reggie to to help me copy the one. So if you can get copies and pass around, sorry, Travis, my computer my printer said, \"Poof.\" I got to go get a new printer. So,","topics_json":"[]","vector_id":"vec_seg_100940_123","created_at":"2026-10-31T08:06:00Z","speaker_name":null},{"id":"seg_100940_124","meeting_id":"100940","media_asset_id":"med_100940_64d27f33b7194954","agenda_item_id":null,"speaker_id":"spk_100940_male_commissioner_1","speaker_confidence":0.85,"start_sec":1945.94,"end_sec":1959.14,"text":"If you can um can you send that copy to the City Clerk's office and ask to have them to distribute that between the commissioners? And we'll take, you know, we'll discuss it even further and um try to talk with City Council and make some recommendations on on possibly moving forward with um with some type of idea or some type of process or something that will address the concern of self defense for women and men in in our community.","topics_json":"[\"public_safety\"]","vector_id":"vec_seg_100940_124","created_at":"2026-10-31T08:06:00Z","speaker_name":null},{"id":"seg_100940_125","meeting_id":"100940","media_asset_id":"med_100940_64d27f33b7194954","agenda_item_id":null,"speaker_id":"spk_100940_public_commenter_1","speaker_confidence":0.9,"start_sec":1959.64,"end_sec":1966.14,"text":"The reason I said the one is because a lot of them want to teach you to kickbox, and in my opinion, yes, some elderly people could probably do that kick, but then you got a lot of them that are on medication, and their health ain't up to it. I'm not downing anyone. Believe me, I seen an 80 year old woman kick a man in the head in a heartbeat. So I'm not downing no one. It's the fact is I'm looking to make sure their uh eligibility to","topics_json":"[\"public_safety\"]","vector_id":"vec_seg_100940_125","created_at":"2026-10-31T08:06:00Z","speaker_name":null},{"id":"seg_100940_126","meeting_id":"100940","media_asset_id":"med_100940_64d27f33b7194954","agenda_item_id":null,"speaker_id":"spk_100940_chunk11_speaker","speaker_confidence":0.9,"start_sec":1966.15,"end_sec":1985.18,"text":"to do what could be done. You know, that's something that people need to understand when you take self-defense classes, it's not something easy, and they will approach you to show you how to do self-defense. They will actually come up behind you and grab you from behind to see if you actually know how to do self-defense. And my thing is, is these women going to be able to handle this? Cuz some people have the urge don't touch me, you know, don't come near me. You see what I'm saying? There's a lot of ifs, ands, or buts in that one.","topics_json":"[\"public_safety\"]","vector_id":"vec_seg_100940_126","created_at":"2026-10-31T08:06:00Z","speaker_name":null},{"id":"seg_100940_127","meeting_id":"100940","media_asset_id":"med_100940_64d27f33b7194954","agenda_item_id":null,"speaker_id":"spk_100940_male_speaker","speaker_confidence":0.9,"start_sec":1985.29,"end_sec":1987.95,"text":"So you- what I heard, you recommend the Delaware Tactical?","topics_json":"[\"public_safety\"]","vector_id":"vec_seg_100940_127","created_at":"2026-10-31T08:06:00Z","speaker_name":null},{"id":"seg_100940_128","meeting_id":"100940","media_asset_id":"med_100940_64d27f33b7194954","agenda_item_id":null,"speaker_id":"spk_100940_chunk11_speaker","speaker_confidence":0.9,"start_sec":1987.95,"end_sec":1988.41,"text":"Yes.","topics_json":"[\"public_safety\"]","vector_id":"vec_seg_100940_128","created_at":"2026-10-31T08:06:00Z","speaker_name":null},{"id":"seg_100940_129","meeting_id":"100940","media_asset_id":"med_100940_64d27f33b7194954","agenda_item_id":null,"speaker_id":"spk_100940_male_speaker","speaker_confidence":0.9,"start_sec":1988.71,"end_sec":1990.28,"text":"Uh, who's that's led by an ex-police officer?","topics_json":"[\"public_safety\"]","vector_id":"vec_seg_100940_129","created_at":"2026-10-31T08:06:00Z","speaker_name":null},{"id":"seg_100940_13","meeting_id":"100940","media_asset_id":"med_100940_64d27f33b7194954","agenda_item_id":null,"speaker_id":"spk_100940_public_commenter","speaker_confidence":0.9,"start_sec":294.02,"end_sec":333.92,"text":"We've had to change up our trajectory a little bit and really talk to our people and let them get it out so that they aren't committing crimes, aren't can't going to drugs, or alcohol, whatsoever. So, we're built from the community, not around it. Coalition of Dover is a community-led alliance of residents, community leaders, faith leaders, advocates, nonprofits, uh, volunteers, and business owners. And we even have social clubs and motorcycle clubs who came on after we got started, and they saw what we were doing, who wanted to be a part. So, our volunteers went up, uh, from 10 to 30 within, uh, what, one month?","topics_json":"[\"public_safety\",\"community\"]","vector_id":"vec_seg_100940_13","created_at":"2026-10-31T08:05:59Z","speaker_name":null},{"id":"seg_100940_130","meeting_id":"100940","media_asset_id":"med_100940_64d27f33b7194954","agenda_item_id":null,"speaker_id":"spk_100940_chunk11_speaker","speaker_confidence":0.9,"start_sec":1990.28,"end_sec":1990.85,"text":"Yes.","topics_json":"[\"public_safety\"]","vector_id":"vec_seg_100940_130","created_at":"2026-10-31T08:06:00Z","speaker_name":null},{"id":"seg_100940_131","meeting_id":"100940","media_asset_id":"med_100940_64d27f33b7194954","agenda_item_id":null,"speaker_id":"spk_100940_male_speaker","speaker_confidence":0.9,"start_sec":1991.04,"end_sec":1992.92,"text":"So, uh, we'll definitely take a look at Delaware Tactical as well.","topics_json":"[\"public_safety\"]","vector_id":"vec_seg_100940_131","created_at":"2026-10-31T08:06:00Z","speaker_name":null},{"id":"seg_100940_132","meeting_id":"100940","media_asset_id":"med_100940_64d27f33b7194954","agenda_item_id":null,"speaker_id":"spk_100940_chunk11_speaker","speaker_confidence":0.9,"start_sec":1993.05,"end_sec":2030.48,"text":"I think he's about the best one to approach cuz of the way he explained everything to me. He's also willing to, um, come down if it's on a budget. He said if you're on a budget and if someone is doing the budget, he would talk to the person. He might even come down more. You know, and I said, well, I'll let the- let them know at the next meeting and we'll go from there.","topics_json":"[\"budget\",\"public_safety\"]","vector_id":"vec_seg_100940_132","created_at":"2026-10-31T08:06:00Z","speaker_name":null},{"id":"seg_100940_133","meeting_id":"100940","media_asset_id":"med_100940_64d27f33b7194954","agenda_item_id":null,"speaker_id":"spk_100940_male_speaker","speaker_confidence":0.9,"start_sec":2030.91,"end_sec":2037.81,"text":"Okay. I might have a couple suggestions that we might not think about. Do you ever think about reaching out to, uh, Dover Air Force Base? They do self-defense training up there.","topics_json":"[\"public_safety\"]","vector_id":"vec_seg_100940_133","created_at":"2026-10-31T08:06:00Z","speaker_name":null},{"id":"seg_100940_134","meeting_id":"100940","media_asset_id":"med_100940_64d27f33b7194954","agenda_item_id":null,"speaker_id":"spk_100940_chunk11_speaker","speaker_confidence":0.9,"start_sec":2037.98,"end_sec":2042.59,"text":"Well, he does do Air Force Base training. That's how he learned his, so I figured with Air Force Base, it's all connected into--","topics_json":"[\"public_safety\"]","vector_id":"vec_seg_100940_134","created_at":"2026-10-31T08:06:00Z","speaker_name":null},{"id":"seg_100940_135","meeting_id":"100940","media_asset_id":"med_100940_64d27f33b7194954","agenda_item_id":null,"speaker_id":"spk_100940_male_speaker","speaker_confidence":0.9,"start_sec":2042.74,"end_sec":2054.04,"text":"I'm saying looking for free. If we get someone that's going to donate the time, or, uh, domestic violence groups sometimes offers free defense classes. That might be a thing to look into that. With tight- things being tight, if there's, uh, organization that does free training...","topics_json":"[\"budget\",\"public_safety\"]","vector_id":"vec_seg_100940_135","created_at":"2026-10-31T08:06:00Z","speaker_name":null},{"id":"seg_100940_136","meeting_id":"100940","media_asset_id":"med_100940_64d27f33b7194954","agenda_item_id":null,"speaker_id":"spk_100940_chunk11_speaker","speaker_confidence":0.9,"start_sec":2054.09,"end_sec":2101.8,"text":"I have looked into that and I have I was told no. Nobody's doing anything for free and this is the problem. Nobody wants to pitch in. Nobody wants to help. You know, it's this community just wants to shut down and lock down and don't wanna defend theirselves. And that's not the way it should be here in this area. You should be able to come out and do whatever you want. I have done some research, and I'm still researching. I'm not giving up. I am going to continue to see what I can find. Maybe I might be lucky and God will say, \"Hey, this one is is going to do it for you for free.\" So I'm not done with that. I have been looking.","topics_json":"[\"budget\",\"public_safety\"]","vector_id":"vec_seg_100940_136","created_at":"2026-10-31T08:06:00Z","speaker_name":null},{"id":"seg_100940_137","meeting_id":"100940","media_asset_id":"med_100940_64d27f33b7194954","agenda_item_id":null,"speaker_id":"spk_100940_male_speaker","speaker_confidence":0.9,"start_sec":2102.05,"end_sec":2115.6,"text":"We do want to get a a time when we stop researching and and move forward and start producing. So uh definitely um I want you know, would like to hear about uh what you come up with as far as that. And in the meanwhile we'll probably in the uh community programs uh committee, we'll we'll look to see uh what we can find out as well.","topics_json":"[\"public_safety\"]","vector_id":"vec_seg_100940_137","created_at":"2026-10-31T08:06:00Z","speaker_name":null},{"id":"seg_100940_138","meeting_id":"100940","media_asset_id":"med_100940_64d27f33b7194954","agenda_item_id":null,"speaker_id":"spk_100940_chunk11_speaker","speaker_confidence":0.9,"start_sec":2115.83,"end_sec":2152.81,"text":"Okay. And, um, another thing, Reggie and I--come on up, Reggie. Reggie and I was talking about the um solar, er, the the data center. I have done some research on that. I wanna talk to everyone about that. The data center is something that you do not want to bring in this part of the town.","topics_json":"[\"business\",\"zoning\"]","vector_id":"vec_seg_100940_138","created_at":"2026-10-31T08:06:00Z","speaker_name":null},{"id":"seg_100940_139","meeting_id":"100940","media_asset_id":"med_100940_64d27f33b7194954","agenda_item_id":null,"speaker_id":"spk_100940_chunk11_speaker","speaker_confidence":0.9,"start_sec":2153.04,"end_sec":2162.77,"text":"The data center is out to get your money. It's not out to help anyone in the state of Delaware. I have done some research. I had asked Reggie to help me write up something because I'm not, you know, all that, but, um, the data center is is it'll take all your water--","topics_json":"[\"business\",\"zoning\"]","vector_id":"vec_seg_100940_139","created_at":"2026-10-31T08:06:00Z","speaker_name":null},{"id":"seg_100940_14","meeting_id":"100940","media_asset_id":"med_100940_64d27f33b7194954","agenda_item_id":null,"speaker_id":"spk_100940_omari","speaker_confidence":0.8,"start_sec":334.02,"end_sec":334.72,"text":"Yes.","topics_json":"[]","vector_id":"vec_seg_100940_14","created_at":"2026-10-31T08:05:59Z","speaker_name":"Omari"},{"id":"seg_100940_140","meeting_id":"100940","media_asset_id":"med_100940_64d27f33b7194954","agenda_item_id":null,"speaker_id":"spk_100940_female_speaker","speaker_confidence":0.85,"start_sec":2162.77,"end_sec":2175.19,"text":"it's going to take all your electorate, and it is a tax-bracket organization. So I'm recommending I come to you to ask you the best way to represent this to the community, because I'm not here to hurt the community. There's no way that I can afford to pay for a data center. I'm pretty sure nobody else could, either.","topics_json":"[\"taxes\",\"business\",\"budget\"]","vector_id":"vec_seg_100940_140","created_at":"2026-10-31T08:06:00Z","speaker_name":null},{"id":"seg_100940_141","meeting_id":"100940","media_asset_id":"med_100940_64d27f33b7194954","agenda_item_id":null,"speaker_id":"spk_100940_male_speaker_1","speaker_confidence":0.85,"start_sec":2175.19,"end_sec":2178.79,"text":"We'll be discussing um part of that uh this evening.","topics_json":"[]","vector_id":"vec_seg_100940_141","created_at":"2026-10-31T08:06:00Z","speaker_name":null},{"id":"seg_100940_142","meeting_id":"100940","media_asset_id":"med_100940_64d27f33b7194954","agenda_item_id":null,"speaker_id":"spk_100940_female_speaker","speaker_confidence":0.85,"start_sec":2178.85,"end_sec":2179.41,"text":"Okay.","topics_json":"[]","vector_id":"vec_seg_100940_142","created_at":"2026-10-31T08:06:00Z","speaker_name":null},{"id":"seg_100940_143","meeting_id":"100940","media_asset_id":"med_100940_64d27f33b7194954","agenda_item_id":null,"speaker_id":"spk_100940_male_speaker_1","speaker_confidence":0.85,"start_sec":2179.48,"end_sec":2181.71,"text":"But we we'd definitely like to hear um since you since you brought them up.","topics_json":"[]","vector_id":"vec_seg_100940_143","created_at":"2026-10-31T08:06:00Z","speaker_name":null},{"id":"seg_100940_144","meeting_id":"100940","media_asset_id":"med_100940_64d27f33b7194954","agenda_item_id":null,"speaker_id":"spk_100940_female_speaker","speaker_confidence":0.85,"start_sec":2181.71,"end_sec":2183.64,"text":"Yeah. Reggie can read it. He's fast.","topics_json":"[]","vector_id":"vec_seg_100940_144","created_at":"2026-10-31T08:06:00Z","speaker_name":null},{"id":"seg_100940_145","meeting_id":"100940","media_asset_id":"med_100940_64d27f33b7194954","agenda_item_id":null,"speaker_id":"spk_100940_reggie","speaker_confidence":0.9,"start_sec":2184.01,"end_sec":2247.79,"text":"Well, thank you. So what we had said was that um regarding the discussion of the City Council to hold a moratorium vote next month for a hold on a development or plans for 18 months, and that while we are glad to see the City Council agree that we can't just allow centers to be built without any kind of regulation or guidelines, a moratorium is not sufficient. Data centers often rely on water for cooling, sometimes using up to millions of gallons per day. For example, Google's Mesa data center in Arizona holds a permit to use 1.2 billion gallons of water annually. That would be enough to fill 2,200 Olympic-sized swimming pools and give 753,000 people in Africa 5 gallons of water per person per day. With that level of water use for a state as large as Arizona, how can a small state like Delaware be able to supply that level of water to sufficiently cool that data center","topics_json":"[\"zoning\",\"business\"]","vector_id":"vec_seg_100940_145","created_at":"2026-10-31T08:06:00Z","speaker_name":"Reggie"},{"id":"seg_100940_146","meeting_id":"100940","media_asset_id":"med_100940_64d27f33b7194954","agenda_item_id":null,"speaker_id":"spk_100940_reggie","speaker_confidence":0.9,"start_sec":2247.79,"end_sec":2297.53,"text":"and still provide enough for us here in Dover or in Delaware? And that's not to mention our electric bills, which are currently being raised still every year. And then in other states, data centers have raised electric bills by as much as 70% to cover the cost, which if we are now struggling with that, we would be up the creek without a paddle. So that we are asking then that the Human Relations Commission urge the City Council not only to support the moratorium, but to protect our water, our pockets, and our peace of mind. No AI data centers now or ever, please.","topics_json":"[\"zoning\",\"business\"]","vector_id":"vec_seg_100940_146","created_at":"2026-10-31T08:06:00Z","speaker_name":"Reggie"},{"id":"seg_100940_147","meeting_id":"100940","media_asset_id":"med_100940_64d27f33b7194954","agenda_item_id":null,"speaker_id":"spk_100940_male_speaker_1","speaker_confidence":0.85,"start_sec":2298.47,"end_sec":2299.52,"text":"Thank you.","topics_json":"[]","vector_id":"vec_seg_100940_147","created_at":"2026-10-31T08:06:00Z","speaker_name":null},{"id":"seg_100940_148","meeting_id":"100940","media_asset_id":"med_100940_64d27f33b7194954","agenda_item_id":null,"speaker_id":"spk_100940_male_speaker_2","speaker_confidence":0.85,"start_sec":2300.14,"end_sec":2309.58,"text":"Just so that you know, as a private citizen, I saw something on Facebook last night, and I've sent it to the mayor and council and uh Dr. Sudler and a few other people. Harrington had the same issue, and they voted down their data center ordinance.","topics_json":"[\"zoning\",\"business\"]","vector_id":"vec_seg_100940_148","created_at":"2026-10-31T08:06:00Z","speaker_name":null},{"id":"seg_100940_149","meeting_id":"100940","media_asset_id":"med_100940_64d27f33b7194954","agenda_item_id":null,"speaker_id":"spk_100940_female_speaker","speaker_confidence":0.85,"start_sec":2309.65,"end_sec":2310.14,"text":"Mm-hm.","topics_json":"[]","vector_id":"vec_seg_100940_149","created_at":"2026-10-31T08:06:00Z","speaker_name":null},{"id":"seg_100940_15","meeting_id":"100940","media_asset_id":"med_100940_64d27f33b7194954","agenda_item_id":null,"speaker_id":"spk_100940_public_commenter","speaker_confidence":0.9,"start_sec":334.82,"end_sec":393.22,"text":"One month. And we're still growing as is. Um, we believe that real safety comes from housing, healing, opportunity, and care, not punishment or displacement. That's one of the things that we strive on. I wanted to let you know what our mission and vision statement is. Um, our mission statement is to advance community-driven solutions that address the root causes of instability and harm. We definitely, definitely, definitely, uh, that is our mission. That's what we lead with. And, uh, we don't want to be forcing nobody to do anything they don't want to do. We advocate for equi- uh, equitable ac- access to affordable housing, behavior and mental healthcare. And we also, uh, youth and community centers, homelessness services, substance use recovery, support for single mothers, and reentry servi- uh, resources for returning citizens. Uh, the returning citizens is a big piece that Omari works on, has been working on for many a years. I mean, you come to some of our meetings, he may he may share with you his story, but he does a lot with returning citizens. If you ever heard of Hometown Chosen Ones, which is a big nonprofit all throughout Delaware, that's this guy here. Yep. And so, through collaboration, accountability, and people-powered actions, we work to strengthen neighborhoods and protect dignity, like we said, one street at a time. Some of our core values, um, are people most impacted lead, equity over optics, safety through investment,","topics_json":"[\"housing\",\"homelessness\",\"public_safety\"]","vector_id":"vec_seg_100940_15","created_at":"2026-10-31T08:05:59Z","speaker_name":null},{"id":"seg_100940_150","meeting_id":"100940","media_asset_id":"med_100940_64d27f33b7194954","agenda_item_id":null,"speaker_id":"spk_100940_male_speaker_2","speaker_confidence":0.85,"start_sec":2310.2,"end_sec":2349.39,"text":"So um, I was at the council meeting in question, and my key questions were, as a private citizen, our infrastructure, our electric infrastructure, water, and of that is probably not capable of handling it. So I expressed that at that meeting. So this is something has to be researched, and uh we hear you.","topics_json":"[\"zoning\",\"business\"]","vector_id":"vec_seg_100940_150","created_at":"2026-10-31T08:06:00Z","speaker_name":null},{"id":"seg_100940_151","meeting_id":"100940","media_asset_id":"med_100940_64d27f33b7194954","agenda_item_id":null,"speaker_id":"spk_100940_male_speaker_3","speaker_confidence":0.85,"start_sec":2350.01,"end_sec":2357.03,"text":"And Kent County Levy Court uh they just had a ruling as well. So, it's going to be an ongoing development in trying to mediate this data center fiasco.","topics_json":"[\"zoning\",\"business\"]","vector_id":"vec_seg_100940_151","created_at":"2026-10-31T08:06:00Z","speaker_name":null},{"id":"seg_100940_152","meeting_id":"100940","media_asset_id":"med_100940_64d27f33b7194954","agenda_item_id":null,"speaker_id":"spk_100940_female_speaker","speaker_confidence":0.85,"start_sec":2357.28,"end_sec":2359.39,"text":"Well, I think if Harrington can do it, I think we could do it.","topics_json":"[\"zoning\",\"business\"]","vector_id":"vec_seg_100940_152","created_at":"2026-10-31T08:06:00Z","speaker_name":null},{"id":"seg_100940_153","meeting_id":"100940","media_asset_id":"med_100940_64d27f33b7194954","agenda_item_id":null,"speaker_id":"spk_100940_bonnie","speaker_confidence":0.85,"start_sec":2359.38,"end_sec":2367.82,"text":"you get power and the backup. Because if anything would go down there and shut it completely down, why can't Dover? Dover needs to start working together,","topics_json":"[\"business\",\"zoning\"]","vector_id":"vec_seg_100940_153","created_at":"2026-10-31T08:06:00Z","speaker_name":"Bonnie"},{"id":"seg_100940_154","meeting_id":"100940","media_asset_id":"med_100940_64d27f33b7194954","agenda_item_id":null,"speaker_id":"spk_100940_bonnie","speaker_confidence":0.85,"start_sec":2368.2,"end_sec":2387.96,"text":"and this is something that is very important to everyone, not just me, not just to the elderly, but to the younger generations, because it's going to hurt from the older generation all the way down to the young generation. Because you're not going to be able to stand the pure smell of the, and it also proves the air. So you've got to look at that, too. And that's, you know,","topics_json":"[\"business\",\"zoning\"]","vector_id":"vec_seg_100940_154","created_at":"2026-10-31T08:06:00Z","speaker_name":"Bonnie"},{"id":"seg_100940_155","meeting_id":"100940","media_asset_id":"med_100940_64d27f33b7194954","agenda_item_id":null,"speaker_id":"spk_100940_bonnie","speaker_confidence":0.85,"start_sec":2388.88,"end_sec":2409.56,"text":"they tell you everything about this data center. I done research. I went to Reggie, Reggie and I put our heads together, and we came up with this letter. I'm not good at computers, but I did research about a data center. Well, I don't want something in my area that's going to hurt my pocket and everybody in Dover.","topics_json":"[\"business\",\"zoning\",\"taxes\"]","vector_id":"vec_seg_100940_155","created_at":"2026-10-31T08:06:00Z","speaker_name":"Bonnie"},{"id":"seg_100940_156","meeting_id":"100940","media_asset_id":"med_100940_64d27f33b7194954","agenda_item_id":null,"speaker_id":"off_roy_sudler_jr","speaker_confidence":0.75,"start_sec":2409.78,"end_sec":2410.9,"text":"Thank you, Ms. Bonnie.","topics_json":"[]","vector_id":"vec_seg_100940_156","created_at":"2026-10-31T08:06:00Z","speaker_name":"Roy Sudler, Jr."},{"id":"seg_100940_157","meeting_id":"100940","media_asset_id":"med_100940_64d27f33b7194954","agenda_item_id":null,"speaker_id":"spk_100940_bonnie","speaker_confidence":0.85,"start_sec":2410.9,"end_sec":2411.74,"text":"No problem.","topics_json":"[]","vector_id":"vec_seg_100940_157","created_at":"2026-10-31T08:06:00Z","speaker_name":"Bonnie"},{"id":"seg_100940_158","meeting_id":"100940","media_asset_id":"med_100940_64d27f33b7194954","agenda_item_id":null,"speaker_id":"off_roy_sudler_jr","speaker_confidence":0.75,"start_sec":2411.92,"end_sec":2424.84,"text":"Can, um, you all, uh, do you all have any physical, uh, implications that come from the data center?","topics_json":"[\"business\",\"public_safety\"]","vector_id":"vec_seg_100940_158","created_at":"2026-10-31T08:06:00Z","speaker_name":"Roy Sudler, Jr."},{"id":"seg_100940_159","meeting_id":"100940","media_asset_id":"med_100940_64d27f33b7194954","agenda_item_id":null,"speaker_id":"spk_100940_public_commenter","speaker_confidence":0.8,"start_sec":2425.42,"end_sec":2451.78,"text":"Um, one thing that I can attest to that I have seen from other states is the discoloration of the water because, you know, the water's being used to cool down these data centers, and then it goes back into the community. Um, I forget where it was, but I saw other places where they were showing the sink and they would turn on the faucet and the water would be the color of an egg yolk.","topics_json":"[\"business\",\"public_safety\"]","vector_id":"vec_seg_100940_159","created_at":"2026-10-31T08:06:00Z","speaker_name":null},{"id":"seg_100940_16","meeting_id":"100940","media_asset_id":"med_100940_64d27f33b7194954","agenda_item_id":null,"speaker_id":"spk_100940_public_commenter","speaker_confidence":0.9,"start_sec":393.23,"end_sec":464.13,"text":"faith, culture, and collective care, accountability with compassion, community before profit, and solutions rooted in lived experiences. A lot of um people who are part of the Coalition Dover, a lot of our volunteers are people with lived experiences who are already trained to tell their lived experience to help someone else. Um we don't take a lot of pictures and videos of that, we're not that type of coalition, we do this work on the ground. But I am here to testify that I have seen people share their lived experience that has gotten people off drugs, it's gotten people off the streets, gotten them into job, uh a job and workforce development. And the thing about the mentoring is they just don't talk one time, they follow up and they have one-on-ones to make sure they're staying on task.","topics_json":"[\"community\",\"homelessness\"]","vector_id":"vec_seg_100940_16","created_at":"2026-10-31T08:05:59Z","speaker_name":null},{"id":"seg_100940_160","meeting_id":"100940","media_asset_id":"med_100940_64d27f33b7194954","agenda_item_id":null,"speaker_id":"off_roy_sudler_jr","speaker_confidence":0.75,"start_sec":2452.74,"end_sec":2465.12,"text":"What about also, uh, when it might deal to the, uh, to the citizen themselves? What effect does it have on human, on the human body?","topics_json":"[\"public_safety\"]","vector_id":"vec_seg_100940_160","created_at":"2026-10-31T08:06:00Z","speaker_name":"Roy Sudler, Jr."},{"id":"seg_100940_161","meeting_id":"100940","media_asset_id":"med_100940_64d27f33b7194954","agenda_item_id":null,"speaker_id":"spk_100940_public_commenter","speaker_confidence":0.8,"start_sec":2465.7,"end_sec":2512.66,"text":"One thing that we have seen is that it can disrupt our ability to sleep and our mental health, because they make a lot of noise and there's just this constant droning where anyone is in vicinity of them that it causes disruption of your sleep, disruption of your peace, cuz it's just this constant vibrating, droning 24/7/365 that just goes on and on and on and on and on and on and on. And we don't adjust to it. Um, it distresses our communities, and I believe it could, because of that lack of adequate sleep, adequate peace of mind, a, um, degradation of our mental health, it could lead to, uh, greater incidents on a social level.","topics_json":"[\"public_safety\"]","vector_id":"vec_seg_100940_161","created_at":"2026-10-31T08:06:00Z","speaker_name":null},{"id":"seg_100940_162","meeting_id":"100940","media_asset_id":"med_100940_64d27f33b7194954","agenda_item_id":null,"speaker_id":"off_roy_sudler_jr","speaker_confidence":0.75,"start_sec":2513.4,"end_sec":2524.22,"text":"Are you aware of any of the toxins that are emitted from, uh, plants and operations into the community, such as what we're talking about tonight?","topics_json":"[\"public_safety\"]","vector_id":"vec_seg_100940_162","created_at":"2026-10-31T08:06:00Z","speaker_name":"Roy Sudler, Jr."},{"id":"seg_100940_163","meeting_id":"100940","media_asset_id":"med_100940_64d27f33b7194954","agenda_item_id":null,"speaker_id":"spk_100940_public_commenter","speaker_confidence":0.8,"start_sec":2524.64,"end_sec":2532.34,"text":"I'm not aware of what specifically there are. I just am aware that they do cause a great degree of air pollution.","topics_json":"[\"public_safety\"]","vector_id":"vec_seg_100940_163","created_at":"2026-10-31T08:06:00Z","speaker_name":null},{"id":"seg_100940_164","meeting_id":"100940","media_asset_id":"med_100940_64d27f33b7194954","agenda_item_id":null,"speaker_id":"off_roy_sudler_jr","speaker_confidence":0.75,"start_sec":2533.8,"end_sec":2555.98,"text":"That might be something you want to look into, uh, if you're trying to, um, go to, uh, to express, uh, some of the cons, cuz we do know about the pros. But some of the cons that you all, uh, need to know about in order to help with the, um,","topics_json":"[\"business\",\"public_safety\"]","vector_id":"vec_seg_100940_164","created_at":"2026-10-31T08:06:00Z","speaker_name":"Roy Sudler, Jr."},{"id":"seg_100940_165","meeting_id":"100940","media_asset_id":"med_100940_64d27f33b7194954","agenda_item_id":null,"speaker_id":"spk_100940_male_speaker_1","speaker_confidence":0.8,"start_sec":2556,"end_sec":2558.2,"text":"for the so-called battle.","topics_json":"[]","vector_id":"vec_seg_100940_165","created_at":"2026-10-31T08:06:00Z","speaker_name":null},{"id":"seg_100940_166","meeting_id":"100940","media_asset_id":"med_100940_64d27f33b7194954","agenda_item_id":null,"speaker_id":"spk_100940_male_speaker_1","speaker_confidence":0.8,"start_sec":2559.3,"end_sec":2561.4,"text":"Okay. With the discussion.","topics_json":"[]","vector_id":"vec_seg_100940_166","created_at":"2026-10-31T08:06:00Z","speaker_name":null},{"id":"seg_100940_167","meeting_id":"100940","media_asset_id":"med_100940_64d27f33b7194954","agenda_item_id":null,"speaker_id":"spk_100940_female_speaker_1","speaker_confidence":0.8,"start_sec":2561.9,"end_sec":2596.8,"text":"I do know that AI is monitoring everybody in the home with this part of this um thing, and I don't feel that I don't want AI in my home watching me. And I don't know about anybody else, but that's one of the things that I did read on there other than the high electric bill and the water and the and as I was reading down, but then it cut me off because they want me to give my name, my number, my address, and all that, and they don't need to know all that. I'm not out to put this out here. I'm out here to see if I can prevent this from coming in this area, not opening it up for them to say hey, come on in.","topics_json":"[\"business\",\"public_safety\"]","vector_id":"vec_seg_100940_167","created_at":"2026-10-31T08:06:00Z","speaker_name":null},{"id":"seg_100940_168","meeting_id":"100940","media_asset_id":"med_100940_64d27f33b7194954","agenda_item_id":null,"speaker_id":"spk_100940_male_speaker_1","speaker_confidence":0.8,"start_sec":2597.2,"end_sec":2619.8,"text":"There there has been research already done and completed regarding some of these data centers, um and it talks about some of the toxins that are emitted into the community, and it also talks about some of the physical effects on the uh human body um in the long-term as well as short-term. So, um","topics_json":"[\"public_safety\",\"business\",\"zoning\"]","vector_id":"vec_seg_100940_168","created_at":"2026-10-31T08:06:00Z","speaker_name":null},{"id":"seg_100940_169","meeting_id":"100940","media_asset_id":"med_100940_64d27f33b7194954","agenda_item_id":null,"speaker_id":"spk_100940_male_speaker_1","speaker_confidence":0.8,"start_sec":2620.7,"end_sec":2629.1,"text":"that is public information, and and you can you can definitely find out uh specifically uh what what goes on.","topics_json":"[\"public_safety\"]","vector_id":"vec_seg_100940_169","created_at":"2026-10-31T08:06:00Z","speaker_name":null},{"id":"seg_100940_17","meeting_id":"100940","media_asset_id":"med_100940_64d27f33b7194954","agenda_item_id":null,"speaker_id":"spk_100940_public_commenter","speaker_confidence":0.9,"start_sec":466.23,"end_sec":503.83,"text":"So, just a community snapshot about us, to let you know what we do: we have 17 coalition partners, roughly about 32-plus volunteers and growing. We meet every fourth Thursday of the month for our meeting at Out North 35, and that meeting is at 7:00?","topics_json":"[\"community\"]","vector_id":"vec_seg_100940_17","created_at":"2026-10-31T08:05:59Z","speaker_name":null},{"id":"seg_100940_170","meeting_id":"100940","media_asset_id":"med_100940_64d27f33b7194954","agenda_item_id":null,"speaker_id":"spk_100940_male_speaker_1","speaker_confidence":0.8,"start_sec":2629.6,"end_sec":2654.6,"text":"I've been doing some of the research myself, and and and I've come across uh several discomforting things. Um so I advise everybody else to do research as well. Not just take a secondhand information, but the information that you tell us uh and and you come across is is very helpful, so folks should be uh also go back on their own and read up on some of those um data centers.","topics_json":"[\"public_safety\",\"business\"]","vector_id":"vec_seg_100940_170","created_at":"2026-10-31T08:06:00Z","speaker_name":null},{"id":"seg_100940_171","meeting_id":"100940","media_asset_id":"med_100940_64d27f33b7194954","agenda_item_id":null,"speaker_id":"spk_100940_female_speaker_1","speaker_confidence":0.8,"start_sec":2651,"end_sec":2654.4,"text":"Watch what you read, though. Cause nobody believes what's on research.","topics_json":"[]","vector_id":"vec_seg_100940_171","created_at":"2026-10-31T08:06:00Z","speaker_name":null},{"id":"seg_100940_172","meeting_id":"100940","media_asset_id":"med_100940_64d27f33b7194954","agenda_item_id":null,"speaker_id":"spk_100940_male_speaker_1","speaker_confidence":0.8,"start_sec":2654.7,"end_sec":2655.5,"text":"Yes.","topics_json":"[]","vector_id":"vec_seg_100940_172","created_at":"2026-10-31T08:06:00Z","speaker_name":null},{"id":"seg_100940_173","meeting_id":"100940","media_asset_id":"med_100940_64d27f33b7194954","agenda_item_id":null,"speaker_id":"spk_100940_female_speaker_1","speaker_confidence":0.8,"start_sec":2655.6,"end_sec":2657.4,"text":"Do your research. Push in.","topics_json":"[]","vector_id":"vec_seg_100940_173","created_at":"2026-10-31T08:06:00Z","speaker_name":null},{"id":"seg_100940_174","meeting_id":"100940","media_asset_id":"med_100940_64d27f33b7194954","agenda_item_id":null,"speaker_id":"spk_100940_male_speaker_1","speaker_confidence":0.8,"start_sec":2657.5,"end_sec":2720,"text":"Uh now, for example, you can use uh I know a lot of people use Google, but I'm not really sure if how many folks are aware of uh the option of Google Scholar. And the difference is uh regular Google you might get a lot of newspaper clippings, uh articles from people who just want to write about the topic and and give their personal opinions, but when you go into Google Scholar, you're more or less looking at people who have actually done the research, tried and tested, and and definite uh responses and and more factual things. So, um when when you come and you present um your your opinion and your research, um and things you want to try and back yourself with, uh it's good to have what they call empirical research, empirical data. And if you use Google Scholar, all you just have to type in in you can go to Google and type in Scholar, Google Scholar, and it'll take you to that particular um link where you can click on that and you can re- and you can research through um empirical articles that are already uh show you about the the testing and and","topics_json":"[\"business\",\"public_safety\"]","vector_id":"vec_seg_100940_174","created_at":"2026-10-31T08:06:00Z","speaker_name":null},{"id":"seg_100940_175","meeting_id":"100940","media_asset_id":"med_100940_64d27f33b7194954","agenda_item_id":null,"speaker_id":"spk_100940_male_speaker_1","speaker_confidence":0.8,"start_sec":2720.8,"end_sec":2723.9,"text":"and the research and background done on what you're talking about.","topics_json":"[]","vector_id":"vec_seg_100940_175","created_at":"2026-10-31T08:06:00Z","speaker_name":null},{"id":"seg_100940_176","meeting_id":"100940","media_asset_id":"med_100940_64d27f33b7194954","agenda_item_id":null,"speaker_id":"spk_100940_female_speaker_1","speaker_confidence":0.8,"start_sec":2720.2,"end_sec":2721.4,"text":"I can tell you this.","topics_json":"[]","vector_id":"vec_seg_100940_176","created_at":"2026-10-31T08:06:00Z","speaker_name":null},{"id":"seg_100940_177","meeting_id":"100940","media_asset_id":"med_100940_64d27f33b7194954","agenda_item_id":null,"speaker_id":"spk_100940_male_speaker_1","speaker_confidence":0.8,"start_sec":2721,"end_sec":2721.6,"text":"Okay.","topics_json":"[]","vector_id":"vec_seg_100940_177","created_at":"2026-10-31T08:06:00Z","speaker_name":null},{"id":"seg_100940_178","meeting_id":"100940","media_asset_id":"med_100940_64d27f33b7194954","agenda_item_id":null,"speaker_id":"spk_100940_female_speaker_1","speaker_confidence":0.8,"start_sec":2721.5,"end_sec":2732.6,"text":"I watched a video today from a lady from Ohio and she was like this was the best thing that ever happened, blah, blah, blah. But then as her electric bill came in she was blowed out of the water, and then","topics_json":"[\"business\"]","vector_id":"vec_seg_100940_178","created_at":"2026-10-31T08:06:00Z","speaker_name":null},{"id":"seg_100940_179","meeting_id":"100940","media_asset_id":"med_100940_64d27f33b7194954","agenda_item_id":null,"speaker_id":"spk_100940_public_commenter","speaker_confidence":0.8,"start_sec":2752.61,"end_sec":2788.19,"text":"right now because electric's so high. They got to build another electric uh plant to get the electric to come back down. And this is in Ohio. So if it's happening in Ohio, and I think the other one was uh Louisiana and um something else, I didn't get the other two. And they were saying this is the worst thing they ever came up with, by putting a data center in their area because it's not all benefiting anybody. It's benefiting the people that are building it. It's not benefiting us. It's building the one It's benefiting their pockets. So to prevent this from coming in, I'm going to see what I can do to stop this from coming in because it's not fair to me, you, or anybody else to have to pay a higher electric bill, number one, and take our money and put it in their pockets, and it stays open for six months and then it falls down and then we're paying the taxes on something that's just sitting there.","topics_json":"[\"taxes\",\"business\"]","vector_id":"vec_seg_100940_179","created_at":"2026-10-31T08:06:00Z","speaker_name":null},{"id":"seg_100940_18","meeting_id":"100940","media_asset_id":"med_100940_64d27f33b7194954","agenda_item_id":null,"speaker_id":"spk_100940_unidentified_male","speaker_confidence":0.8,"start_sec":503.83,"end_sec":504.93,"text":"6:00 to 7:00.","topics_json":"[]","vector_id":"vec_seg_100940_18","created_at":"2026-10-31T08:05:59Z","speaker_name":null},{"id":"seg_100940_180","meeting_id":"100940","media_asset_id":"med_100940_64d27f33b7194954","agenda_item_id":null,"speaker_id":"spk_100940_commissioner","speaker_confidence":0.8,"start_sec":2788.19,"end_sec":2834.12,"text":"We appreciate that. And the research that you are to, you two continue to do and present, um, uh, Mr. Reggie, uh, if you can, um, you know, continue to help her and- and- and look into that, uh, Google Scholar and- and present it uh factual information so that we can, um, have good examples from things that have already taken place and maybe people, um, who have already been affected, whether it's been positive or negative, um, both sides of the- of the fence.","topics_json":"[\"business\"]","vector_id":"vec_seg_100940_180","created_at":"2026-10-31T08:06:00Z","speaker_name":null},{"id":"seg_100940_181","meeting_id":"100940","media_asset_id":"med_100940_64d27f33b7194954","agenda_item_id":null,"speaker_id":"spk_100940_reggie","speaker_confidence":0.85,"start_sec":2834.12,"end_sec":2845.57,"text":"Yes, the uh research that we got here regarding the water usage, we did pull from a United Nations study about the impacts of AI data centers on the environment. But we will look into specifically air pollution and the effects on standard of living and our bodies.","topics_json":"[\"business\"]","vector_id":"vec_seg_100940_181","created_at":"2026-10-31T08:06:00Z","speaker_name":"Reggie"},{"id":"seg_100940_182","meeting_id":"100940","media_asset_id":"med_100940_64d27f33b7194954","agenda_item_id":null,"speaker_id":"spk_100940_commissioner","speaker_confidence":0.8,"start_sec":2845.57,"end_sec":2847.24,"text":"Thank you. We appreciate it.","topics_json":"[]","vector_id":"vec_seg_100940_182","created_at":"2026-10-31T08:06:00Z","speaker_name":null},{"id":"seg_100940_183","meeting_id":"100940","media_asset_id":"med_100940_64d27f33b7194954","agenda_item_id":null,"speaker_id":"spk_100940_commissioner_2","speaker_confidence":0.8,"start_sec":2847.24,"end_sec":2899.35,"text":"One suggestion I'd give you if you want people to get involved, you need to get, you know, I had a friend that went to the Harrington meeting. It was wall-to-wall citizens speaking. If you want Council to take it seriously and look at everything, I strongly urge you to reach out to your neighbors, other residents, and have them come out to the council meetings, email the council members of their district, uh call the council members, come up to council meetings. Um that's the only thing that's going to show council members that there is a concern that needs to be looked into a fine-tooth comb. So-","topics_json":"[]","vector_id":"vec_seg_100940_183","created_at":"2026-10-31T08:06:00Z","speaker_name":null},{"id":"seg_100940_184","meeting_id":"100940","media_asset_id":"med_100940_64d27f33b7194954","agenda_item_id":null,"speaker_id":"spk_100940_commissioner","speaker_confidence":0.8,"start_sec":2899.35,"end_sec":2900.92,"text":"You know that's, that's for the City of Dover.","topics_json":"[]","vector_id":"vec_seg_100940_184","created_at":"2026-10-31T08:06:00Z","speaker_name":null},{"id":"seg_100940_185","meeting_id":"100940","media_asset_id":"med_100940_64d27f33b7194954","agenda_item_id":null,"speaker_id":"spk_100940_commissioner_2","speaker_confidence":0.8,"start_sec":2900.92,"end_sec":2901.61,"text":"Dover, yes.","topics_json":"[]","vector_id":"vec_seg_100940_185","created_at":"2026-10-31T08:06:00Z","speaker_name":null},{"id":"seg_100940_186","meeting_id":"100940","media_asset_id":"med_100940_64d27f33b7194954","agenda_item_id":null,"speaker_id":"spk_100940_commissioner","speaker_confidence":0.8,"start_sec":2901.61,"end_sec":2949.23,"text":"Right. The City of Dover resides somewhere within Kent County. So you have another The city might be one place, but as soon as you're outside the city limits, City Council has nothing they can do. And Kent County is right across the city limit border. We sit inside Kent County, which is the reason why Commissioner Spence mentioned uh Levy Court having uh it in their possession the same concerns, because we might um not we might not go for it in the city limits, but we got to understand we also have county uh area as well which is in close proximity. As a matter of fact, there could be a piece of property right-","topics_json":"[\"zoning\",\"business\"]","vector_id":"vec_seg_100940_186","created_at":"2026-10-31T08:06:00Z","speaker_name":null},{"id":"seg_100940_187","meeting_id":"100940","media_asset_id":"med_100940_64d27f33b7194954","agenda_item_id":null,"speaker_id":"spk_100940_chair","speaker_confidence":0.9,"start_sec":2949.23,"end_sec":2967.63,"text":"next door to you that could be zoned as county property, and then they come set this uh data center right next door to your city limit line housing. You see there? So it's not just one place, city of Dover. You can make it you can express it in the city of Dover and in council, but you also need to think about Kent County Levy Court, making a presence there. You might want to find that every We all live in Kent County.","topics_json":"[\"zoning\"]","vector_id":"vec_seg_100940_187","created_at":"2026-10-31T08:06:00Z","speaker_name":null},{"id":"seg_100940_188","meeting_id":"100940","media_asset_id":"med_100940_64d27f33b7194954","agenda_item_id":null,"speaker_id":"spk_100940_commissioner","speaker_confidence":0.8,"start_sec":2967.76,"end_sec":2968.13,"text":"Yeah.","topics_json":"[]","vector_id":"vec_seg_100940_188","created_at":"2026-10-31T08:06:00Z","speaker_name":null},{"id":"seg_100940_189","meeting_id":"100940","media_asset_id":"med_100940_64d27f33b7194954","agenda_item_id":null,"speaker_id":"spk_100940_chair","speaker_confidence":0.9,"start_sec":2968.32,"end_sec":3017.43,"text":"So we all have a uh Kent County Commissioner. Just like we all have a uh a a a council person for the city of Dover. And then you have a and then you have a state representative. So you really have three legs because state legislation is very influential. Um, and and I believe they may they may even have the last draw on what Kent County because in order to do business in Delaware, regardless whether it's in the county or the city, you have to have a Delaware license to do business. So that means if you don't have the license, you can't do the business. You see there? So you look you're looking at uh legislation.","topics_json":"[\"business\"]","vector_id":"vec_seg_100940_189","created_at":"2026-10-31T08:06:00Z","speaker_name":null},{"id":"seg_100940_19","meeting_id":"100940","media_asset_id":"med_100940_64d27f33b7194954","agenda_item_id":null,"speaker_id":"spk_100940_public_commenter","speaker_confidence":0.9,"start_sec":504.93,"end_sec":589.83,"text":"Oh, six- 6:00 p.m. to 7:00 p.m., excuse me. And um members, you know, I I'm going to keep it real about our coalition, our members, people part of it, we all donate something. We do it off our back. We don't get no grants, we don't nobody donates to us. And then he has a donation jar in the store of Out North, so whoever comes and shop, they put donations in so that we can keep the work that we're doing. Okay? Um our committees that we have: we have the Affordable and Stable Housing, we have Youth and Community Centers. We have someone working on that, that what we need a community center in Dover, so they're doing some research now. Substance Use and Recovery, Reentry and Returning uh Services, uh Returning uh Citizen Services. We also have someone who's running our Behavioral and Mental Health, Homelessness Support, Support for Single Mothers and Families, and we have someone uh we just got someone who's doing our Fundraising and Development, helping us come up with ideas for that so that we can get some funds in to continue some of the other work we want to do. So how we work: we listen, we center residents, or we center residents and people who are directly impact, we organize, we come back, we build committees, we volunteer, and we share ownership. If you are the manager of that and you need help, just reach out, we'll find volunteers, or someone from another committee or another partner will come and help you with it so that we can win. We connect, we link peoples to services and trusted partners. We act, which is to deliver community projects, and we advocate for solutions. And lastly, we build. I talk about Coalition Dover every day. If y'all really know me, I be inviting people. \"Y'all try and come to one of our meetings.\" And that's the only way that we're going to grow and be a force out here in Dover so that we can continue. And I just wanted to share some of our community action in motion. Uh we haven't even been a year yet, and this is some of the events","topics_json":"[\"community\",\"housing\",\"homelessness\"]","vector_id":"vec_seg_100940_19","created_at":"2026-10-31T08:05:59Z","speaker_name":null},{"id":"seg_100940_190","meeting_id":"100940","media_asset_id":"med_100940_64d27f33b7194954","agenda_item_id":null,"speaker_id":"spk_100940_chair","speaker_confidence":0.9,"start_sec":3017.43,"end_sec":3041.67,"text":"And this body, um, cannot, you know, make any decisions, any approvals or or declines or can't turn over any warrants or things like that. We are a recommending body. So, um, we did have on the agenda that, well, I did have a uh a a purpose this evening to bring the data center up, and I'm glad you all let it in. It's not a problem cuz we still need to make a decision on that as a a body whether we want to support it or not, and and the kind of recommendation we want to send up to City Council. Thank you. We appreciate it.","topics_json":"[\"business\",\"zoning\"]","vector_id":"vec_seg_100940_190","created_at":"2026-10-31T08:06:00Z","speaker_name":null},{"id":"seg_100940_191","meeting_id":"100940","media_asset_id":"med_100940_64d27f33b7194954","agenda_item_id":null,"speaker_id":"spk_100940_chair","speaker_confidence":0.9,"start_sec":3044.49,"end_sec":3079.6,"text":"Um, looking at our uh agenda for this evening, we want to um make sure everybody had a chance to look at the minutes from the previous, and we need to um entertain a motion to accept the agenda for tonight.","topics_json":"[]","vector_id":"vec_seg_100940_191","created_at":"2026-10-31T08:06:00Z","speaker_name":null},{"id":"seg_100940_192","meeting_id":"100940","media_asset_id":"med_100940_64d27f33b7194954","agenda_item_id":null,"speaker_id":"spk_100940_commissioner","speaker_confidence":0.8,"start_sec":3079.98,"end_sec":3080.48,"text":"Second.","topics_json":"[]","vector_id":"vec_seg_100940_192","created_at":"2026-10-31T08:06:00Z","speaker_name":null},{"id":"seg_100940_193","meeting_id":"100940","media_asset_id":"med_100940_64d27f33b7194954","agenda_item_id":null,"speaker_id":"spk_100940_chair","speaker_confidence":0.9,"start_sec":3080.6,"end_sec":3081.48,"text":"I'll first.","topics_json":"[]","vector_id":"vec_seg_100940_193","created_at":"2026-10-31T08:06:00Z","speaker_name":null},{"id":"seg_100940_194","meeting_id":"100940","media_asset_id":"med_100940_64d27f33b7194954","agenda_item_id":null,"speaker_id":"spk_100940_commissioner","speaker_confidence":0.85,"start_sec":3083.18,"end_sec":3086.38,"text":"I make the motion that we accept the I mean the minutes from the last meeting.","topics_json":"[]","vector_id":"vec_seg_100940_194","created_at":"2026-10-31T08:06:00Z","speaker_name":null},{"id":"seg_100940_195","meeting_id":"100940","media_asset_id":"med_100940_64d27f33b7194954","agenda_item_id":null,"speaker_id":"spk_100940_commissioner","speaker_confidence":0.85,"start_sec":3086.76,"end_sec":3087.45,"text":"And I'll second.","topics_json":"[]","vector_id":"vec_seg_100940_195","created_at":"2026-10-31T08:06:00Z","speaker_name":null},{"id":"seg_100940_196","meeting_id":"100940","media_asset_id":"med_100940_64d27f33b7194954","agenda_item_id":null,"speaker_id":"spk_100940_chair","speaker_confidence":0.9,"start_sec":3092.03,"end_sec":3094.29,"text":"This is this is for the agenda, not for the minutes, not yet.","topics_json":"[]","vector_id":"vec_seg_100940_196","created_at":"2026-10-31T08:06:00Z","speaker_name":null},{"id":"seg_100940_197","meeting_id":"100940","media_asset_id":"med_100940_64d27f33b7194954","agenda_item_id":null,"speaker_id":"spk_100940_commissioner","speaker_confidence":0.85,"start_sec":3094.61,"end_sec":3098,"text":"Correction. I uh make a motion that we accept the agenda as corrected.","topics_json":"[]","vector_id":"vec_seg_100940_197","created_at":"2026-10-31T08:06:00Z","speaker_name":null},{"id":"seg_100940_198","meeting_id":"100940","media_asset_id":"med_100940_64d27f33b7194954","agenda_item_id":null,"speaker_id":"spk_100940_chair","speaker_confidence":0.9,"start_sec":3099.76,"end_sec":3100.38,"text":"Do I have a second?","topics_json":"[]","vector_id":"vec_seg_100940_198","created_at":"2026-10-31T08:06:00Z","speaker_name":null},{"id":"seg_100940_199","meeting_id":"100940","media_asset_id":"med_100940_64d27f33b7194954","agenda_item_id":null,"speaker_id":"spk_100940_commissioner","speaker_confidence":0.85,"start_sec":3100.95,"end_sec":3101.45,"text":"I have a second.","topics_json":"[]","vector_id":"vec_seg_100940_199","created_at":"2026-10-31T08:06:00Z","speaker_name":null},{"id":"seg_100940_2","meeting_id":"100940","media_asset_id":"med_100940_64d27f33b7194954","agenda_item_id":null,"speaker_id":"spk_100940_female_testing","speaker_confidence":0.8,"start_sec":30.69,"end_sec":32.85,"text":"Testing. Testing, testing.","topics_json":"[]","vector_id":"vec_seg_100940_2","created_at":"2026-10-31T08:05:59Z","speaker_name":null},{"id":"seg_100940_20","meeting_id":"100940","media_asset_id":"med_100940_64d27f33b7194954","agenda_item_id":null,"speaker_id":"spk_100940_chunk4_speaker_1","speaker_confidence":0.9,"start_sec":589.85,"end_sec":671.56,"text":"events that we have been doing. Ex-Prisoner Lobby Day, they invited us to come and be a part of it, to speak to legislators, and to also tell them about the Coalition of Dover. We helped out with cleanup day. We had to feed the hungry, where we worked with the uh the two uh social clubs that were there. It was two social clubs and two motorcycle clubs. Met at Al Noor, and then we organized and hit all of the hotels uh where we have our unsheltered people. That last one is our event we're doing now. We saw that a lot of people were doing um book bag giveaways and school supplies, and we've always uh, and Enrica's always talking about hygiene. So I was like, yo, yeah, we got to get something that's with hygiene so that these kids can go back to school and be clean. Everybody wants to feel good. Let's give them a toothbrush, I think we toothbrush, toothpaste, shower gel, what is it, the the wipes she was telling me about, Dude Wipes. The women, uh for the females we're trying to get the the the sanitary napkins for them, chapstick, and notebooks so they'll be able and a pen so they'll be able to write their feelings down. 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Um, looking uh everybody had a chance to look at the minutes? Um, our next um the next thing we need to vote on is the approval of the minutes from the last meeting. I'll entertain a motion to accept the minutes.","topics_json":"[]","vector_id":"vec_seg_100940_201","created_at":"2026-10-31T08:06:00Z","speaker_name":null},{"id":"seg_100940_202","meeting_id":"100940","media_asset_id":"med_100940_64d27f33b7194954","agenda_item_id":null,"speaker_id":"spk_100940_faust","speaker_confidence":0.9,"start_sec":3173.75,"end_sec":3178.59,"text":"Make a motion. Make a motion to accept the minutes from the last meeting.","topics_json":"[]","vector_id":"vec_seg_100940_202","created_at":"2026-10-31T08:06:00Z","speaker_name":"Faust"},{"id":"seg_100940_203","meeting_id":"100940","media_asset_id":"med_100940_64d27f33b7194954","agenda_item_id":null,"speaker_id":"spk_100940_mullins","speaker_confidence":0.9,"start_sec":3178.71,"end_sec":3179.64,"text":"Second.","topics_json":"[]","vector_id":"vec_seg_100940_203","created_at":"2026-10-31T08:06:00Z","speaker_name":"Mullins"},{"id":"seg_100940_204","meeting_id":"100940","media_asset_id":"med_100940_64d27f33b7194954","agenda_item_id":null,"speaker_id":"spk_100940_chair","speaker_confidence":0.9,"start_sec":3179.83,"end_sec":3222.13,"text":"It has been properly moved and seconded by Commissioner Faust and Commissioner Mullins to accept the minutes from the previous meeting. Any questions on the motion? Any questions on the motion? Having no questions, uh vote uh we will vote. 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Those have the same right. Motion carried.","topics_json":"[]","vector_id":"vec_seg_100940_207","created_at":"2026-10-31T08:06:00Z","speaker_name":null},{"id":"seg_100940_208","meeting_id":"100940","media_asset_id":"med_100940_64d27f33b7194954","agenda_item_id":null,"speaker_id":"spk_100940_chair","speaker_confidence":0.9,"start_sec":3229.57,"end_sec":3242.6,"text":"Okay, um we will go ahead into the committee reports. And the first one being the um the Assessment Committee. Uh myself being a part of that committee, I have no updates at this particular time for the Assessment Committee. Uh Commissioner Mullins?","topics_json":"[]","vector_id":"vec_seg_100940_208","created_at":"2026-10-31T08:06:00Z","speaker_name":null},{"id":"seg_100940_209","meeting_id":"100940","media_asset_id":"med_100940_64d27f33b7194954","agenda_item_id":null,"speaker_id":"spk_100940_mullins","speaker_confidence":0.9,"start_sec":3242.91,"end_sec":3270.2,"text":"We're still waiting to hear feedback from the survey.","topics_json":"[]","vector_id":"vec_seg_100940_209","created_at":"2026-10-31T08:06:00Z","speaker_name":"Mullins"},{"id":"seg_100940_21","meeting_id":"100940","media_asset_id":"med_100940_64d27f33b7194954","agenda_item_id":null,"speaker_id":"spk_100940_chunk4_speaker_1","speaker_confidence":0.9,"start_sec":672.02,"end_sec":702.47,"text":"the 547 unsheltered youth in our city, right here. And I've sent links to people so they could double check my data, but right here in Kent County, Capital School District, we have 547 unsheltered youth. And if y'all know me, when I come up here to make public comment, I'm always asking, what are we going to do about our 547 youth who are sheltered? And when we say I I'm sorry, that are unsheltered. And when I say unsheltered, that don't mean they're on the street. They could be in a hotel. They could be staying with their grandmother and don't have their own bedroom, but it's documented and it comes from the school. All right, um next slide.","topics_json":"[\"homelessness\",\"housing\"]","vector_id":"vec_seg_100940_21","created_at":"2026-10-31T08:05:59Z","speaker_name":null},{"id":"seg_100940_210","meeting_id":"100940","media_asset_id":"med_100940_64d27f33b7194954","agenda_item_id":null,"speaker_id":"spk_100940_chair","speaker_confidence":0.9,"start_sec":3271.44,"end_sec":3283.54,"text":"Okay. Commissioner Brefeld is not uh available this evening. Um therefore, we will move on to the next committee, which will be the uh Community Programs Committee. Commissioner Faust?","topics_json":"[]","vector_id":"vec_seg_100940_210","created_at":"2026-10-31T08:06:00Z","speaker_name":null},{"id":"seg_100940_211","meeting_id":"100940","media_asset_id":"med_100940_64d27f33b7194954","agenda_item_id":null,"speaker_id":"spk_100940_faust","speaker_confidence":0.9,"start_sec":3284.16,"end_sec":3294.7,"text":"I have three items to bring up tonight. Um this morning, I followed up with the 2-1-1 cards. They had uh dropped the ball, and not dropped the ball, there was a communication error, and I didn't get them in time for this meeting. They're going to drop them off next week at my residence.","topics_json":"[]","vector_id":"vec_seg_100940_211","created_at":"2026-10-31T08:06:00Z","speaker_name":"Faust"},{"id":"seg_100940_212","meeting_id":"100940","media_asset_id":"med_100940_64d27f33b7194954","agenda_item_id":null,"speaker_id":"spk_100940_faust","speaker_confidence":0.9,"start_sec":3295.01,"end_sec":3334.71,"text":"Uh the second item I have uh, let's see here, I gave my business card out this weekend to the president of the Caesar Rodney Band Association. The kids are trying to win raise funds. So, uh he's going to reach out to us in the future to see if we can assist them to get more advertising or get people to know what they're doing fundraisers for the school.","topics_json":"[]","vector_id":"vec_seg_100940_212","created_at":"2026-10-31T08:06:00Z","speaker_name":"Faust"},{"id":"seg_100940_213","meeting_id":"100940","media_asset_id":"med_100940_64d27f33b7194954","agenda_item_id":null,"speaker_id":"spk_100940_faust","speaker_confidence":0.9,"start_sec":3335.02,"end_sec":3342.46,"text":"Um the last item, number three, as a private citizen, I sent an email out to Mayor, Council, and uh CC'd uh Commissioner","topics_json":"[]","vector_id":"vec_seg_100940_213","created_at":"2026-10-31T08:06:00Z","speaker_name":"Faust"},{"id":"seg_100940_214","meeting_id":"100940","media_asset_id":"med_100940_64d27f33b7194954","agenda_item_id":null,"speaker_id":"spk_100940_alan_gaddis","speaker_confidence":0.9,"start_sec":3342.46,"end_sec":3401.96,"text":"All right. Dr. Sudler, myself, uh, Smack, and a few other people, I asked the city to have a, say, workshop/town hall meeting so the citizens can ask questions, concerns, or fears, and get answers. Councilman Lewis from the Second District has responded, he's willing to assist. But I believe Dr. Sudler, you're for that? Uh, Dr. Sudler... uh, Mr. Sudler said he'll also assist from the Fourth District. So we're working on setting up a, uh, town hall meeting where citizens can come out, ask their questions or state their concerns and get hopefully answers that they want. So this has just started. Uh, it's nothing solid, but that's what we're working on right now.","topics_json":"[]","vector_id":"vec_seg_100940_214","created_at":"2026-10-31T08:06:00Z","speaker_name":"Alan Gaddis"},{"id":"seg_100940_215","meeting_id":"100940","media_asset_id":"med_100940_64d27f33b7194954","agenda_item_id":null,"speaker_id":"spk_100940_alan_gaddis","speaker_confidence":0.9,"start_sec":3405.46,"end_sec":3407.26,"text":"Commissioner Fleming?","topics_json":"[]","vector_id":"vec_seg_100940_215","created_at":"2026-10-31T08:06:00Z","speaker_name":"Alan Gaddis"},{"id":"seg_100940_216","meeting_id":"100940","media_asset_id":"med_100940_64d27f33b7194954","agenda_item_id":null,"speaker_id":"spk_100940_paul_fleming","speaker_confidence":0.9,"start_sec":3409.56,"end_sec":3411.96,"text":"No, I have nothing at this time.","topics_json":"[]","vector_id":"vec_seg_100940_216","created_at":"2026-10-31T08:06:00Z","speaker_name":"Paul Fleming"},{"id":"seg_100940_217","meeting_id":"100940","media_asset_id":"med_100940_64d27f33b7194954","agenda_item_id":null,"speaker_id":"off_gerald_l_rocha_sr","speaker_confidence":0.95,"start_sec":3413.46,"end_sec":3539.06,"text":"Okay. Well, with myself, uh, being a part of the community program, um, I just want to report, uh, last meeting we had a, a young lady come in by the name of, um, [child's name removed] Roses, and she talked about the Lemonade Stand Day, um, which was which took place on August the 15th, which was last Saturday. Uh, that that, uh, event did happen and I have a couple of, um, a couple of brochures I can, you know, just copies of some brochures of some of those who participated in that particular Lemonade Stand Day. Um, I thought they might come this evening to, uh, give a little update on it, but they're not available as well. Uh, however, um, I do have some things if you want to look at, uh, that I can share, and and you all can see it afterwards, uh, after our meeting. But that did take place and, and, uh, I do believe it was a success. I, I stopped, I had the I had the opportunity to stop by one and, um, and at least, um, see others as well. One was on Route 8, uh, going east after you cross over, uh, 13. Um, and then the there was another one, uh, that was held, uh, in front of Janane's Barbershop on Loockerman Street. And I know there were there was a third one here. Um, I'm not really sure where that location was, but I didn't get a chance to go by that one. However, they did have a, a good time and they had some success and and some folks came through and and I believe this is just the beginning of part of, uh, what will be growing into more of, uh, a statewide thing. So, uh, just be on the lookout for that. There'll be some more coming about and and they're going to have some more announcements regarding, uh, that particular activity in the community, okay? Um, also, um, we have, um, a, a com- uh, a possibility to vend at a, a community fair and, um...","topics_json":"[\"business\"]","vector_id":"vec_seg_100940_217","created_at":"2026-10-31T08:06:00Z","speaker_name":"Gerald L. Rocha, Sr."},{"id":"seg_100940_218","meeting_id":"100940","media_asset_id":"med_100940_64d27f33b7194954","agenda_item_id":null,"speaker_id":"spk_100940_commissioner","speaker_confidence":0.7,"start_sec":3539.07,"end_sec":3565.87,"text":"I want, uh, Mr. Anthony Williams, who is with us tonight, to come and talk to, uh, give us a, a, a small summary of, um, this community fair and, um, our possible, uh, possibility of us being vendors at this affair. And then we can see how, how we can vend at, at other places as well. Mr. Williams.","topics_json":"[]","vector_id":"vec_seg_100940_218","created_at":"2026-10-31T08:06:00Z","speaker_name":null},{"id":"seg_100940_219","meeting_id":"100940","media_asset_id":"med_100940_64d27f33b7194954","agenda_item_id":null,"speaker_id":"spk_100940_anthony_williams","speaker_confidence":0.95,"start_sec":3565.87,"end_sec":3735.67,"text":"Uh, good evening, all. Uh, my name, as he stated, is, uh, Anthony, uh, Williams, and I have the honor and pleasure of serving as a member of the Most Worshipful Prince Hall Grand Lodge, Free and Accepted Masons, in the jurisdiction of Delaware. The Masonic Prince Hall family in Delaware consists of nine Masonic lodges and nine Order of Eastern Star. Our commitment to the community is to promote the Third Annual Health and Wellness Back to School Community Day. The Health and Wellness Community Back to School Day began in August 2024. The event is organized through DEMFAC, Delaware Masonic Prince Hall Affiliated Charitable Trust. One of the fundamental principles of Prince Hall Masonry is not only personal growth and self-improvement, but also charity, service, leadership, responsibility to our communities. As an organization, we recognized that we needed to strengthen our visibility and involvement within the communities we serve. We did not simply want people to know who we are. We wanted our communities to know us by what we do and who we serve. The Health and Wellness Back to School Community Day became one of the ways we could do just that. Our goals: with this annual event, we seek to become more visible and actively involved in our communities, provide charitable assistance and meaningful community service, promote growth, mentorship, and leadership opportunities for our young men and women, bring service providers, first responders, public safety agencies, and health organizations directly into the community, provide businesses and retail partners with opportunities to demonstrate their commitment to our, to the families they serve, connect residents with valuable health, wellness, safety, and community resources, help prepare children and families for a successful start to the school year. This is our third annual community day. It will be held on Saturday, August 22nd, 2026, beginning at 10:00 a.m. Each year, the event continues to grow in participation, partnerships, and community impact. Most importantly, everything provided to the community is completely free of charge. Families attending the event can receive and enjoy: health and wellness screening, backpacks and school supplies, free haircuts provided by local barbers, free water ice, free sports apparel, free food, snacks, and beverages.","topics_json":"[\"public_safety\",\"business\"]","vector_id":"vec_seg_100940_219","created_at":"2026-10-31T08:06:00Z","speaker_name":"Anthony Williams"},{"id":"seg_100940_22","meeting_id":"100940","media_asset_id":"med_100940_64d27f33b7194954","agenda_item_id":null,"speaker_id":"spk_100940_chunk4_speaker_1","speaker_confidence":0.9,"start_sec":704.84,"end_sec":712.87,"text":"This right here is just showing um pictures of different events. 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For 2026, our selected recipient is the Delaware Diabetes Coalition.","topics_json":"[]","vector_id":"vec_seg_100940_221","created_at":"2026-10-31T08:06:00Z","speaker_name":null},{"id":"seg_100940_222","meeting_id":"100940","media_asset_id":"med_100940_64d27f33b7194954","agenda_item_id":null,"speaker_id":"spk_100940_chunk20_speaker_1","speaker_confidence":0.9,"start_sec":3789.49,"end_sec":3848.99,"text":"Leading up to this event, we also hold a pop-up pantry event, where we have the Delaware Food Bank come out and provide free food. That event is tomorrow, Tuesday, August 19th, from 4:00 to 6:00 p.m. I have flyers with me, by the way. Our community partnerships: this event would not be possible without organizations and agencies that share our commitment to serving Delaware's families.","topics_json":"[]","vector_id":"vec_seg_100940_222","created_at":"2026-10-31T08:06:00Z","speaker_name":null},{"id":"seg_100940_223","meeting_id":"100940","media_asset_id":"med_100940_64d27f33b7194954","agenda_item_id":null,"speaker_id":"spk_100940_chunk20_speaker_1","speaker_confidence":0.9,"start_sec":3848.99,"end_sec":3891.49,"text":"Participants and community partners for this event include the Delaware State Police, the Dover Police Department, the Dover Fire Department, the Delaware Food Bank, Delaware Department of Health and Social Services, Department of Public Health, Magnet Electronics, Redner's Markets, and others. 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They represent 316 members of our community who came together in an environment centered on family, education, health, safety, fellowship, and service. As we enter our third year, our objective is not simply to increase attendance. Our objective is to increase our impact. Our community outreach: Social media has become one of our primary methods of communicating with the community. We currently use Facebook and Instagram to promote the event, recognize our community partners, provide updates, and encourage families to participate. However, we also recognize the importance of developing stronger relationships with our local government, community leaders, businesses, nonprofit organizations, public safety agencies, and residents. Next year, we will be extending this event beyond Kent County. We will be extending it to the three counties in Delaware. In closing, on behalf of MWPHGL, the Most Worshipful Prince Hall Grand Lodge of Delaware...","topics_json":"[\"public_safety\",\"business\"]","vector_id":"vec_seg_100940_224","created_at":"2026-10-31T08:06:00Z","speaker_name":null},{"id":"seg_100940_225","meeting_id":"100940","media_asset_id":"med_100940_64d27f33b7194954","agenda_item_id":null,"speaker_id":"spk_100940_mr_williams","speaker_confidence":0.9,"start_sec":3932.31,"end_sec":4018.11,"text":"our Masonic lodges, our Order of the Eastern Star chapters, and the entire health and wellness Back to School community day committee. I thank the members of this body for allowing me the opportunity to share their story. Prince Hall Masonry has a long tradition of service, charity, leadership, and community involvement. Through this event, we are working to ensure that these principles remain visible and relevant to the communities we serve. Our children should see organizations investing in them. Our families should know that resources are available to them. Our residents should have opportunities to interact positively with law enforcement, first responders, health professionals, businesses, and community organizations. Our community should see that that when organizations, government, businesses, and residents work together, we can accomplish much more than any one of us can accomplish alone. We respectfully invite the members of this body to join us on Saturday, August 22nd, 2026 for our third annual health and wellness Back to School community day. We would be honored to have you attend, meet the families we serve, interact with our community partners, and witness firsthand the positive impact this event continues to have. I come before this body today to ask for support and assistance from you. Thank you for your time, your service to our community, and your consideration.","topics_json":"[]","vector_id":"vec_seg_100940_225","created_at":"2026-10-31T08:06:00Z","speaker_name":"Mr. Williams"},{"id":"seg_100940_226","meeting_id":"100940","media_asset_id":"med_100940_64d27f33b7194954","agenda_item_id":null,"speaker_id":"spk_100940_chairperson","speaker_confidence":0.85,"start_sec":4019.51,"end_sec":4025.11,"text":"Thank you, Mr. Williams. Do we have any questions from the floor? But any commissioners that have questions?","topics_json":"[]","vector_id":"vec_seg_100940_226","created_at":"2026-10-31T08:06:00Z","speaker_name":null},{"id":"seg_100940_227","meeting_id":"100940","media_asset_id":"med_100940_64d27f33b7194954","agenda_item_id":null,"speaker_id":"spk_100940_female_commissioner","speaker_confidence":0.85,"start_sec":4025.61,"end_sec":4031.01,"text":"Yeah, yes. I have one. Where is it going to be held?","topics_json":"[]","vector_id":"vec_seg_100940_227","created_at":"2026-10-31T08:06:00Z","speaker_name":null},{"id":"seg_100940_228","meeting_id":"100940","media_asset_id":"med_100940_64d27f33b7194954","agenda_item_id":null,"speaker_id":"spk_100940_mr_williams","speaker_confidence":0.9,"start_sec":4031.71,"end_sec":4048.11,"text":"It's going to be held at the Grand Lodge of Delaware, that's 1412 College Road in Dover, Delaware. I will be handing out these flyers for you, and the address is on them, for the, um, for the pantry, for the Delaware Food Bank, as well as the community day.","topics_json":"[]","vector_id":"vec_seg_100940_228","created_at":"2026-10-31T08:06:00Z","speaker_name":"Mr. Williams"},{"id":"seg_100940_229","meeting_id":"100940","media_asset_id":"med_100940_64d27f33b7194954","agenda_item_id":null,"speaker_id":"spk_100940_4th_district_commissioner","speaker_confidence":0.85,"start_sec":4050.71,"end_sec":4128.91,"text":"So, um, this event is in taking place in the 4th District, which is why I asked to have Mr. Williams come and present that because that's that's the district that I'm over, the 4th District. And as the 4th District commissioner, myself and and and I like to call you Pastor Mott all the time. Commissioner Mott, that's that's the district that we service. So, I am available for that day to attend. Can you please give us, before leaving, can you give us a little write-up on what the what it might cost for to vend with the other vendors? You said you had the city of Dover, I heard a lot of city of Dover vendors coming. So we definitely want to know what that might be. And we'll take a vote on if, you know, if you all don't mind, if we go if we go as a vendor, we'll need to vote on that. But we also need to know what the costs would be for for for","topics_json":"[]","vector_id":"vec_seg_100940_229","created_at":"2026-10-31T08:06:00Z","speaker_name":null},{"id":"seg_100940_23","meeting_id":"100940","media_asset_id":"med_100940_64d27f33b7194954","agenda_item_id":null,"speaker_id":"spk_100940_chunk4_speaker_1","speaker_confidence":0.9,"start_sec":713.02,"end_sec":759.46,"text":"who reached out through um count- Councilwoman Shané Darby put us in contact because she saw us asking for gently worn clothes for kids. And this man came and delivered, what was it like two- it was a lot. 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Commissioner Williams, so when we come back with with our new business, we want to address um that particular thing.","topics_json":"[\"business\"]","vector_id":"vec_seg_100940_230","created_at":"2026-10-31T08:06:00Z","speaker_name":null},{"id":"seg_100940_231","meeting_id":"100940","media_asset_id":"med_100940_64d27f33b7194954","agenda_item_id":null,"speaker_id":"spk_100940_commission_chair","speaker_confidence":1,"start_sec":4140.32,"end_sec":4155.62,"text":"You can hand that uh you can hand that detail to Commissioner White and she'll she'll have it amongst us and then when we come back uh to revisit it, we'll we'll hear with uh Commissioner White.","topics_json":"[]","vector_id":"vec_seg_100940_231","created_at":"2026-10-31T08:06:00Z","speaker_name":null},{"id":"seg_100940_232","meeting_id":"100940","media_asset_id":"med_100940_64d27f33b7194954","agenda_item_id":null,"speaker_id":"spk_100940_commissioner_white","speaker_confidence":1,"start_sec":4156.02,"end_sec":4157.12,"text":"May I just ask a question?","topics_json":"[]","vector_id":"vec_seg_100940_232","created_at":"2026-10-31T08:06:00Z","speaker_name":"Commissioner White"},{"id":"seg_100940_233","meeting_id":"100940","media_asset_id":"med_100940_64d27f33b7194954","agenda_item_id":null,"speaker_id":"spk_100940_commission_chair","speaker_confidence":1,"start_sec":4157.12,"end_sec":4157.82,"text":"Yes.","topics_json":"[]","vector_id":"vec_seg_100940_233","created_at":"2026-10-31T08:06:00Z","speaker_name":null},{"id":"seg_100940_234","meeting_id":"100940","media_asset_id":"med_100940_64d27f33b7194954","agenda_item_id":null,"speaker_id":"spk_100940_commissioner_white","speaker_confidence":1,"start_sec":4157.92,"end_sec":4163.82,"text":"Is that the same event similar to the same event that you all had a couple trips last year with the grand march?","topics_json":"[]","vector_id":"vec_seg_100940_234","created_at":"2026-10-31T08:06:00Z","speaker_name":"Commissioner White"},{"id":"seg_100940_235","meeting_id":"100940","media_asset_id":"med_100940_64d27f33b7194954","agenda_item_id":null,"speaker_id":"spk_100940_presenter","speaker_confidence":1,"start_sec":4163.92,"end_sec":4164.72,"text":"Yes.","topics_json":"[]","vector_id":"vec_seg_100940_235","created_at":"2026-10-31T08:06:00Z","speaker_name":null},{"id":"seg_100940_236","meeting_id":"100940","media_asset_id":"med_100940_64d27f33b7194954","agenda_item_id":null,"speaker_id":"spk_100940_commissioner_white","speaker_confidence":1,"start_sec":4164.92,"end_sec":4167.12,"text":"It was indeed a pleasure to be there.","topics_json":"[]","vector_id":"vec_seg_100940_236","created_at":"2026-10-31T08:06:00Z","speaker_name":"Commissioner White"},{"id":"seg_100940_237","meeting_id":"100940","media_asset_id":"med_100940_64d27f33b7194954","agenda_item_id":null,"speaker_id":"spk_100940_commission_chair","speaker_confidence":1,"start_sec":4167.22,"end_sec":4168.92,"text":"Yes, it is.","topics_json":"[]","vector_id":"vec_seg_100940_237","created_at":"2026-10-31T08:06:00Z","speaker_name":null},{"id":"seg_100940_238","meeting_id":"100940","media_asset_id":"med_100940_64d27f33b7194954","agenda_item_id":null,"speaker_id":"spk_100940_commissioner_white","speaker_confidence":1,"start_sec":4169.12,"end_sec":4171.92,"text":"It was very nice and largely attended.","topics_json":"[]","vector_id":"vec_seg_100940_238","created_at":"2026-10-31T08:06:00Z","speaker_name":"Commissioner White"},{"id":"seg_100940_239","meeting_id":"100940","media_asset_id":"med_100940_64d27f33b7194954","agenda_item_id":null,"speaker_id":"spk_100940_commission_chair","speaker_confidence":1,"start_sec":4172.22,"end_sec":4182.22,"text":"And we did not vend. We saw everybody else, except for the Commission. Am I right? 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It was, you couldn't even get in there.","topics_json":"[]","vector_id":"vec_seg_100940_243","created_at":"2026-10-31T08:06:00Z","speaker_name":"Commissioner White"},{"id":"seg_100940_244","meeting_id":"100940","media_asset_id":"med_100940_64d27f33b7194954","agenda_item_id":null,"speaker_id":"spk_100940_commission_chair","speaker_confidence":1,"start_sec":4205.42,"end_sec":4206.52,"text":"That's true.","topics_json":"[]","vector_id":"vec_seg_100940_244","created_at":"2026-10-31T08:06:00Z","speaker_name":null},{"id":"seg_100940_245","meeting_id":"100940","media_asset_id":"med_100940_64d27f33b7194954","agenda_item_id":null,"speaker_id":"spk_100940_commissioner_white","speaker_confidence":1,"start_sec":4206.72,"end_sec":4210.72,"text":"And I like to attend that day, but that day I have a veterans function.","topics_json":"[]","vector_id":"vec_seg_100940_245","created_at":"2026-10-31T08:06:00Z","speaker_name":"Commissioner White"},{"id":"seg_100940_246","meeting_id":"100940","media_asset_id":"med_100940_64d27f33b7194954","agenda_item_id":null,"speaker_id":"spk_100940_commission_chair","speaker_confidence":1,"start_sec":4210.92,"end_sec":4211.92,"text":"Okay.","topics_json":"[]","vector_id":"vec_seg_100940_246","created_at":"2026-10-31T08:06:00Z","speaker_name":null},{"id":"seg_100940_247","meeting_id":"100940","media_asset_id":"med_100940_64d27f33b7194954","agenda_item_id":null,"speaker_id":"spk_100940_commissioner_white","speaker_confidence":1,"start_sec":4212.02,"end_sec":4219.22,"text":"So, if the church celebrated that day, this particular time I won't be able to do that. 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Um Miss Naike Carrington uh and and I believe it is um Andre? Dwayne. I'm sorry. But um we're glad that you are here with us this evening and uh hopefully um we're all right, we're ready.","topics_json":"[]","vector_id":"vec_seg_100940_255","created_at":"2026-10-31T08:06:00Z","speaker_name":null},{"id":"seg_100940_256","meeting_id":"100940","media_asset_id":"med_100940_64d27f33b7194954","agenda_item_id":null,"speaker_id":"spk_100940_naikesha_carrington","speaker_confidence":1,"start_sec":4290.12,"end_sec":4293.22,"text":"Thank you. So, my name is Naikesha. 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So we can attack those oppressed systems that do not support us. So we do a lot of education there, and, and Omari also, someone, um, you know, registers. We got hot dogs and everything there, and he educates on the natural healing that is there in his store.","topics_json":"[]","vector_id":"vec_seg_100940_26","created_at":"2026-10-31T08:05:59Z","speaker_name":null},{"id":"seg_100940_260","meeting_id":"100940","media_asset_id":"med_100940_64d27f33b7194954","agenda_item_id":null,"speaker_id":"spk_100940_commission_chair","speaker_confidence":1,"start_sec":4305.02,"end_sec":4305.82,"text":"Yes, sir.","topics_json":"[]","vector_id":"vec_seg_100940_260","created_at":"2026-10-31T08:06:00Z","speaker_name":null},{"id":"seg_100940_261","meeting_id":"100940","media_asset_id":"med_100940_64d27f33b7194954","agenda_item_id":null,"speaker_id":"spk_100940_naikesha_carrington","speaker_confidence":1,"start_sec":4305.92,"end_sec":4306.62,"text":"my support.","topics_json":"[]","vector_id":"vec_seg_100940_261","created_at":"2026-10-31T08:06:00Z","speaker_name":"Naikesha Carrington"},{"id":"seg_100940_262","meeting_id":"100940","media_asset_id":"med_100940_64d27f33b7194954","agenda_item_id":null,"speaker_id":"spk_100940_commission_chair","speaker_confidence":1,"start_sec":4306.62,"end_sec":4309.72,"text":"He has a twin somewhere, might be at DelDOT.","topics_json":"[]","vector_id":"vec_seg_100940_262","created_at":"2026-10-31T08:06:00Z","speaker_name":null},{"id":"seg_100940_263","meeting_id":"100940","media_asset_id":"med_100940_64d27f33b7194954","agenda_item_id":null,"speaker_id":"spk_100940_dwayne_carrington","speaker_confidence":1,"start_sec":4309.72,"end_sec":4311.02,"text":"DelDOT? 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Um, just my perspective, I just, I just saw what was happening to them and their mental health was declining, academically they were declining. Um, just mentally overall, they were, they were just not doing well.","topics_json":"[]","vector_id":"vec_seg_100940_265","created_at":"2026-10-31T08:06:00Z","speaker_name":null},{"id":"seg_100940_266","meeting_id":"100940","media_asset_id":"med_100940_64d27f33b7194954","agenda_item_id":null,"speaker_id":"spk_100940_presenter","speaker_confidence":0.95,"start_sec":4349.44,"end_sec":4361.04,"text":"Um, when you would see revolving door for the adolescents that were coming into the psych hospital, um, that became a, a issue for me because that, that hurt me. 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Um, I wouldn't just keep it for just Dover. Um,","topics_json":"[]","vector_id":"vec_seg_100940_269","created_at":"2026-10-31T08:06:00Z","speaker_name":null},{"id":"seg_100940_27","meeting_id":"100940","media_asset_id":"med_100940_64d27f33b7194954","agenda_item_id":null,"speaker_id":"spk_100940_presenter","speaker_confidence":0.9,"start_sec":807.86,"end_sec":866.43,"text":"Also, you see some of these pictures. We were invited to go inside just recently, uh, with the Governor, the, uh, John Lewis Voting Rights Bill. And then, uh, you'll see some other pictures of us in Legislative Hall. They allowed me to take members of the Coalition to of Dover to Legislative Hall and give a tour because that's where we need to be at if we want to make change. And it was amazing. Uh, the Governor was there that day, and he really got to listen to everyone about what the Coalition of Dover is and what, uh, priorities we feel are important. And so that makes me feel good, and I send him our flyers all the time, hoping he gonna stop by one day. You already know. 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Um, I'm a woman of Sigma Gamma Rho Sorority, Incorporated.","topics_json":"[]","vector_id":"vec_seg_100940_275","created_at":"2026-10-31T08:06:00Z","speaker_name":null},{"id":"seg_100940_276","meeting_id":"100940","media_asset_id":"med_100940_64d27f33b7194954","agenda_item_id":null,"speaker_id":"spk_100940_chunk24_speaker_1","speaker_confidence":0.85,"start_sec":4522.15,"end_sec":4603.45,"text":"and um our motto is \"Greater service, greater progress.\" And I want to instill that into these young ladies as well, that we do the work. You'll you'll see the work, and you'll see the impact that you're making on others when you do the work. Um the barrier that I do have with my program is location. Um my ask is partnership so where I'm able to get a room so that I can host the young ladies once a month, um and then eventually it will um Well, it will stay once a month, and then my next step is to go into this um student the school board meetings to talk with them so we can partner with the school so that our mentors are able to go into the schools at least once a week or two times or three times out of the month to be able to meet with the adolescents and see how they're doing outside of just meeting with them one time. So, my focus is for us to be involved, um stay connected, um have for somebody for them to feel heard, feel seen, um because working in the mental health field with the adolescents right now, that is where they struggle, and that's where a lot of the concerns and their problems come from because they don't feel seen, they don't feel heard, um and they aren't able they're unable to really express themselves and be themselves. So, I just want to be that vessel for them, um and let other young women to be able to help them as well.","topics_json":"[]","vector_id":"vec_seg_100940_276","created_at":"2026-10-31T08:06:00Z","speaker_name":null},{"id":"seg_100940_277","meeting_id":"100940","media_asset_id":"med_100940_64d27f33b7194954","agenda_item_id":null,"speaker_id":"spk_100940_chunk24_speaker_2","speaker_confidence":0.85,"start_sec":4603.45,"end_sec":4608.05,"text":"Are you uh familiar with the Neighborhood Partners?","topics_json":"[]","vector_id":"vec_seg_100940_277","created_at":"2026-10-31T08:06:00Z","speaker_name":null},{"id":"seg_100940_278","meeting_id":"100940","media_asset_id":"med_100940_64d27f33b7194954","agenda_item_id":null,"speaker_id":"spk_100940_chunk24_speaker_1","speaker_confidence":0.85,"start_sec":4608.05,"end_sec":4609.95,"text":"Yes and no.","topics_json":"[]","vector_id":"vec_seg_100940_278","created_at":"2026-10-31T08:06:00Z","speaker_name":null},{"id":"seg_100940_279","meeting_id":"100940","media_asset_id":"med_100940_64d27f33b7194954","agenda_item_id":null,"speaker_id":"spk_100940_chunk24_speaker_2","speaker_confidence":0.85,"start_sec":4609.95,"end_sec":4696.65,"text":"There's that gentleman right there. He's he's he's embedded. It runs in his veins. However, what I heard the things I heard you ask for, um they have a Restoring Central uh Dover program going on, and and I think uh you would benefit from that partnership. Uh they also they're located right downtown. He'll tell you exactly where they are. Um they have a facility um that they allow the public. Uh if you if you you can become a member, and uh it's it's very feasible. I'm I'm part of it myself. Become a member and those those spaces that you're asking for, I think it would be a good start to start in those spaces that they provide. Uh if you go in and you look at what they have, uh what they offer and and how they offer it, I think you all would fit right in, especially at this particular time when you're starting out and those things that you're asking for, you want really want to move on more sooner than later. 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And now we're into, uh, collaborating with other organizations. But my call here today, you know, I always come with a call to action whenever I speak, is that maybe the, you know, this commission, if you guys could, you know, donate to our hygiene, um, campaign we're doing. Uh, we do have a list, I have sent that to, uh, Commissioner Faust and also, uh, Commissioner Dr. Travis Sadler. And that is our call to action to see if this committee could help us with that. We do have donations coming in, um, and I, and I appreciate that. We have some orgs who may have an abundant supply that are donating to us, but we want to reach our goal of 547 items so that we can, um, you know, take care of these youth for real. So that is our call to action that we're asking you, the commission, to help us with. All right? You want to say anything, brother?","topics_json":"[]","vector_id":"vec_seg_100940_28","created_at":"2026-10-31T08:05:59Z","speaker_name":null},{"id":"seg_100940_280","meeting_id":"100940","media_asset_id":"med_100940_64d27f33b7194954","agenda_item_id":null,"speaker_id":"spk_100940_chunk24_speaker_1","speaker_confidence":0.85,"start_sec":4696.65,"end_sec":4697.85,"text":"Yes.","topics_json":"[]","vector_id":"vec_seg_100940_280","created_at":"2026-10-31T08:06:00Z","speaker_name":null},{"id":"seg_100940_281","meeting_id":"100940","media_asset_id":"med_100940_64d27f33b7194954","agenda_item_id":null,"speaker_id":"spk_100940_chunk24_speaker_2","speaker_confidence":0.85,"start_sec":4697.85,"end_sec":4718.75,"text":"And and and and if you see Commissioner uh Spencer, Spencer is definitely um uh part of of what goes on uh with Delaware State University and and some other things as well. 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Rocha, Sr."},{"id":"seg_100940_285","meeting_id":"100940","media_asset_id":"med_100940_64d27f33b7194954","agenda_item_id":null,"speaker_id":"spk_100940_public_commenter","speaker_confidence":0.9,"start_sec":4729.43,"end_sec":4731.71,"text":"Oh yeah, she's very supportive, ever since she saw me.","topics_json":"[]","vector_id":"vec_seg_100940_285","created_at":"2026-10-31T08:06:00Z","speaker_name":null},{"id":"seg_100940_286","meeting_id":"100940","media_asset_id":"med_100940_64d27f33b7194954","agenda_item_id":null,"speaker_id":"off_gerald_l_rocha_sr","speaker_confidence":0.95,"start_sec":4731.71,"end_sec":4732.63,"text":"Uh-huh, uh-huh.","topics_json":"[]","vector_id":"vec_seg_100940_286","created_at":"2026-10-31T08:06:00Z","speaker_name":"Gerald L. 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I think I've just been beating myself up, but I'm stopping myself and I'm not doing that no more, so.","topics_json":"[]","vector_id":"vec_seg_100940_287","created_at":"2026-10-31T08:06:00Z","speaker_name":null},{"id":"seg_100940_288","meeting_id":"100940","media_asset_id":"med_100940_64d27f33b7194954","agenda_item_id":null,"speaker_id":"off_gerald_l_rocha_sr","speaker_confidence":0.95,"start_sec":4752.89,"end_sec":4753.96,"text":"Well, it sounds like you're on a good track.","topics_json":"[]","vector_id":"vec_seg_100940_288","created_at":"2026-10-31T08:06:00Z","speaker_name":"Gerald L. 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Good to see you. Good to see you. That's not your twin out there. I know who that is, I see.","topics_json":"[]","vector_id":"vec_seg_100940_297","created_at":"2026-10-31T08:06:00Z","speaker_name":null},{"id":"seg_100940_298","meeting_id":"100940","media_asset_id":"med_100940_64d27f33b7194954","agenda_item_id":null,"speaker_id":"spk_100940_public_commenter","speaker_confidence":0.9,"start_sec":4815.09,"end_sec":4816.16,"text":"Do I sign this?","topics_json":"[]","vector_id":"vec_seg_100940_298","created_at":"2026-10-31T08:06:00Z","speaker_name":null},{"id":"seg_100940_299","meeting_id":"100940","media_asset_id":"med_100940_64d27f33b7194954","agenda_item_id":null,"speaker_id":"off_gerald_l_rocha_sr","speaker_confidence":0.95,"start_sec":4816.16,"end_sec":4819,"text":"Um, yes you can. Please. Thank you.","topics_json":"[]","vector_id":"vec_seg_100940_299","created_at":"2026-10-31T08:06:00Z","speaker_name":"Gerald L. 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We move on to the school programs committee. Um I don't have any uh school update, however I do have some things to say just a little bit, real quickly. Um the Capital School District, does that is everybody aware of of when they're going to be in session? Cuz you might want to be aware as far as community-wise, when they're going to start seeing our our children back out um running up and down, and and and the buses picking them up, and things like that.","topics_json":"[\"education\"]","vector_id":"vec_seg_100940_300","created_at":"2026-10-31T08:06:00Z","speaker_name":"Gerald L. Rocha, Sr."},{"id":"seg_100940_301","meeting_id":"100940","media_asset_id":"med_100940_64d27f33b7194954","agenda_item_id":null,"speaker_id":"spk_100940_female_speaker","speaker_confidence":0.8,"start_sec":4875.51,"end_sec":4878.35,"text":"Yes. Starts on August--","topics_json":"[\"education\"]","vector_id":"vec_seg_100940_301","created_at":"2026-10-31T08:06:00Z","speaker_name":null},{"id":"seg_100940_302","meeting_id":"100940","media_asset_id":"med_100940_64d27f33b7194954","agenda_item_id":null,"speaker_id":"off_gerald_l_rocha_sr","speaker_confidence":0.95,"start_sec":4878.71,"end_sec":4880.49,"text":"Mhm. August 31st for sixth graders.","topics_json":"[\"education\"]","vector_id":"vec_seg_100940_302","created_at":"2026-10-31T08:06:00Z","speaker_name":"Gerald L. 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Um that's all we spent so far, which is the reason why I was saying we we can we can do some vending, okay, and and get ourselves out there and, um, you know, whatever we need to uh pay for the vending cost um just to be aware of. 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Can we look into pens, um maybe some brochures? That means we'll have to take some photos. I'm sure of the system. Yep, this is what you asked for, marketing. It comes with photos. It comes with um social media and and and some other things, so prepare yourselves uh we that that's come with a cost as well as I was informed and and it was a recommendation uh given to me by uh Council President Neil um that we might want to look into um um maybe like a a a intern, a couple of interns from our uh institutions that can help provide some interns um and help with our intake. He also suggested that we look into maybe um providing a a stipend um for those uh interns. Uh we I was shocked myself. Uh but but I have it on record in the email. Um so just to, you know, I'm I'm not here to dictate everything, but just to let us uh be aware of of what some folks may be expecting of us and recommending to us, and I don't have any problem with that. Uh matter of fact, I have um uh two uh","topics_json":"[\"budget\",\"business\"]","vector_id":"vec_seg_100940_330","created_at":"2026-10-31T08:06:00Z","speaker_name":null},{"id":"seg_100940_331","meeting_id":"100940","media_asset_id":"med_100940_64d27f33b7194954","agenda_item_id":null,"speaker_id":"off_roy_sudler_jr","speaker_confidence":1,"start_sec":5308.61,"end_sec":5352.81,"text":"um prospects here this evening uh and and we might look to um, you know, use them as as such in that capacity. Um we have Miss Kayla Lucas as well as you can stand up and raise your hand uh as well as uh Miss Dior Wiggins and they are both um uh mass communication majors. So um you know, just seeing give them a little overview. I asked them to come down this evening and to see how we run things, how we operate and to think about maybe um doing those things for us. 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Would you like to bring anything to the floor?","topics_json":"[]","vector_id":"vec_seg_100940_336","created_at":"2026-10-31T08:06:00Z","speaker_name":"Roy Sudler, Jr."},{"id":"seg_100940_337","meeting_id":"100940","media_asset_id":"med_100940_64d27f33b7194954","agenda_item_id":null,"speaker_id":"spk_100940_fleming","speaker_confidence":0,"start_sec":5385.81,"end_sec":5389.61,"text":"No, I have nothing, Dr. Sudler.","topics_json":"[]","vector_id":"vec_seg_100940_337","created_at":"2026-10-31T08:06:00Z","speaker_name":"Fleming"},{"id":"seg_100940_338","meeting_id":"100940","media_asset_id":"med_100940_64d27f33b7194954","agenda_item_id":null,"speaker_id":"off_roy_sudler_jr","speaker_confidence":1,"start_sec":5389.91,"end_sec":5391.11,"text":"Thank you.","topics_json":"[]","vector_id":"vec_seg_100940_338","created_at":"2026-10-31T08:06:00Z","speaker_name":"Roy Sudler, Jr."},{"id":"seg_100940_339","meeting_id":"100940","media_asset_id":"med_100940_64d27f33b7194954","agenda_item_id":null,"speaker_id":"off_roy_sudler_jr","speaker_confidence":1,"start_sec":5392.71,"end_sec":5396.61,"text":"It's continuous in a while. 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Look into uh magnets, look into uh What about uh um what do we did the the automotive signs and the automotive wrapping?","topics_json":"[]","vector_id":"vec_seg_100940_344","created_at":"2026-10-31T08:06:00Z","speaker_name":"Roy Sudler, Jr."},{"id":"seg_100940_345","meeting_id":"100940","media_asset_id":"med_100940_64d27f33b7194954","agenda_item_id":null,"speaker_id":"spk_100940_mullen","speaker_confidence":0,"start_sec":5450.91,"end_sec":5453.31,"text":"Whatever it takes to get the message out.","topics_json":"[]","vector_id":"vec_seg_100940_345","created_at":"2026-10-31T08:06:00Z","speaker_name":"Mullen"},{"id":"seg_100940_346","meeting_id":"100940","media_asset_id":"med_100940_64d27f33b7194954","agenda_item_id":null,"speaker_id":"off_roy_sudler_jr","speaker_confidence":1,"start_sec":5454.71,"end_sec":5461.81,"text":"Did you hear that uh Commissioner White? Do you want to bring anything to the floor, Commissioner White?","topics_json":"[]","vector_id":"vec_seg_100940_346","created_at":"2026-10-31T08:06:00Z","speaker_name":"Roy Sudler, Jr."},{"id":"seg_100940_347","meeting_id":"100940","media_asset_id":"med_100940_64d27f33b7194954","agenda_item_id":null,"speaker_id":"off_roy_sudler_jr","speaker_confidence":1,"start_sec":5486.71,"end_sec":5488.81,"text":"I believe you have to hit the button.","topics_json":"[]","vector_id":"vec_seg_100940_347","created_at":"2026-10-31T08:06:00Z","speaker_name":"Roy Sudler, Jr."},{"id":"seg_100940_348","meeting_id":"100940","media_asset_id":"med_100940_64d27f33b7194954","agenda_item_id":null,"speaker_id":"spk_100940_white","speaker_confidence":0,"start_sec":5490.81,"end_sec":5498.21,"text":"Are we still going to meet, I think it's in September, if I'm not mistaken, with the commissioner here? 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Is it September the 10th? I believe it's September the 10th, uh 5:00 p.m., which is an hour before the City Council meeting. We are asked as a commission to meet with City Council. September 10th, 5:00 p.m., and it'll be here in Council Chambers.","topics_json":"[]","vector_id":"vec_seg_100940_353","created_at":"2026-10-31T08:06:00Z","speaker_name":null},{"id":"seg_100940_354","meeting_id":"100940","media_asset_id":"med_100940_64d27f33b7194954","agenda_item_id":null,"speaker_id":"spk_100940_faye_white","speaker_confidence":0.9,"start_sec":5523.85,"end_sec":5525.35,"text":"Are you able to speak a little closer?","topics_json":"[]","vector_id":"vec_seg_100940_354","created_at":"2026-10-31T08:06:00Z","speaker_name":"Faye White"},{"id":"seg_100940_355","meeting_id":"100940","media_asset_id":"med_100940_64d27f33b7194954","agenda_item_id":null,"speaker_id":"spk_100940_chair","speaker_confidence":0.85,"start_sec":5525.35,"end_sec":5597.64,"text":"It's, um, it could it's it's going to address um the communications between City Council and Dover Human Relations. How we operate and how we will dialogue between each other. If you notice, um, I'm not really sure where our liaison is this evening, but um just the communication and connection between the two com- the two bodies is what we will be addressing. So it shouldn't be a long meeting. I actually plan to just be there and hear what their solution is uh because they are the governing body that controls us, so whatever they say, how we're supposed to uh go go on accordingly, we will follow. So I'm only there to listen to hear um how or what they've come up with on how we will communicate back and forth um on a more beneficial uh dialogue and and more purposeful meeting, okay?","topics_json":"[]","vector_id":"vec_seg_100940_355","created_at":"2026-10-31T08:06:00Z","speaker_name":null},{"id":"seg_100940_356","meeting_id":"100940","media_asset_id":"med_100940_64d27f33b7194954","agenda_item_id":null,"speaker_id":"spk_100940_chair","speaker_confidence":0.85,"start_sec":5597.92,"end_sec":5608.3,"text":"And that will be 5:00 p.m., which is one hour before the City Council meeting. So it shouldn't take us long if if, um, they come and and they know exactly how they want to, um, you know, address us and and give us our instructions.","topics_json":"[]","vector_id":"vec_seg_100940_356","created_at":"2026-10-31T08:06:00Z","speaker_name":null},{"id":"seg_100940_357","meeting_id":"100940","media_asset_id":"med_100940_64d27f33b7194954","agenda_item_id":null,"speaker_id":"spk_100940_faye_white","speaker_confidence":0.9,"start_sec":5608.3,"end_sec":5610.29,"text":"And will that individual be in in attendance?","topics_json":"[]","vector_id":"vec_seg_100940_357","created_at":"2026-10-31T08:06:00Z","speaker_name":"Faye White"},{"id":"seg_100940_358","meeting_id":"100940","media_asset_id":"med_100940_64d27f33b7194954","agenda_item_id":null,"speaker_id":"spk_100940_chair","speaker_confidence":0.85,"start_sec":5610.29,"end_sec":5647.9,"text":"Hopefully all of them will be in attendance and they all can give their uh opinions and recommendations and then go ahead and vote and we can get this over with. And we can know what to expect.","topics_json":"[]","vector_id":"vec_seg_100940_358","created_at":"2026-10-31T08:06:00Z","speaker_name":null},{"id":"seg_100940_359","meeting_id":"100940","media_asset_id":"med_100940_64d27f33b7194954","agenda_item_id":null,"speaker_id":"spk_100940_faye_white","speaker_confidence":0.9,"start_sec":5647.9,"end_sec":5651.52,"text":"We don't have to send proxies for that particular person that we're discussing?","topics_json":"[]","vector_id":"vec_seg_100940_359","created_at":"2026-10-31T08:06:00Z","speaker_name":"Faye White"},{"id":"seg_100940_36","meeting_id":"100940","media_asset_id":"med_100940_64d27f33b7194954","agenda_item_id":null,"speaker_id":"spk_100940_presenter","speaker_confidence":0.9,"start_sec":965.31,"end_sec":966.02,"text":"Oh, I'm a registrar.","topics_json":"[]","vector_id":"vec_seg_100940_36","created_at":"2026-10-31T08:05:59Z","speaker_name":null},{"id":"seg_100940_360","meeting_id":"100940","media_asset_id":"med_100940_64d27f33b7194954","agenda_item_id":null,"speaker_id":"spk_100940_chair","speaker_confidence":0.85,"start_sec":5651.52,"end_sec":5654.08,"text":"Um, I'm not really sure, but we're we're discussing everybody.","topics_json":"[]","vector_id":"vec_seg_100940_360","created_at":"2026-10-31T08:06:00Z","speaker_name":null},{"id":"seg_100940_361","meeting_id":"100940","media_asset_id":"med_100940_64d27f33b7194954","agenda_item_id":null,"speaker_id":"spk_100940_faye_white","speaker_confidence":0.9,"start_sec":5654.08,"end_sec":5655.72,"text":"Thank you very much. Okay.","topics_json":"[]","vector_id":"vec_seg_100940_361","created_at":"2026-10-31T08:06:00Z","speaker_name":"Faye White"},{"id":"seg_100940_362","meeting_id":"100940","media_asset_id":"med_100940_64d27f33b7194954","agenda_item_id":null,"speaker_id":"spk_100940_chair","speaker_confidence":0.85,"start_sec":5655.72,"end_sec":5680.03,"text":"You're quite welcome. Now we have to- remember, um, Commissioner White does not use too much of the technology that we all use. She has, so she has some special requests uh which she has the right to do. If if you notice, we might be in the electronic age, but in the Electronics Act, if you read it, you always have to have the paper on on hand, right with you. So for those who do not uh use electronics right away, you still have what the original comes from. Thank you, Commissioner White.","topics_json":"[]","vector_id":"vec_seg_100940_362","created_at":"2026-10-31T08:06:00Z","speaker_name":null},{"id":"seg_100940_363","meeting_id":"100940","media_asset_id":"med_100940_64d27f33b7194954","agenda_item_id":null,"speaker_id":"spk_100940_faye_white","speaker_confidence":0.95,"start_sec":5680.31,"end_sec":5681.59,"text":"Yes, I do appreciate that.","topics_json":"[]","vector_id":"vec_seg_100940_363","created_at":"2026-10-31T08:06:00Z","speaker_name":"Faye White"},{"id":"seg_100940_364","meeting_id":"100940","media_asset_id":"med_100940_64d27f33b7194954","agenda_item_id":null,"speaker_id":"spk_100940_chair","speaker_confidence":0.85,"start_sec":5681.59,"end_sec":5683.79,"text":"Thank you. We appreciate all you do as well.","topics_json":"[]","vector_id":"vec_seg_100940_364","created_at":"2026-10-31T08:06:00Z","speaker_name":null},{"id":"seg_100940_365","meeting_id":"100940","media_asset_id":"med_100940_64d27f33b7194954","agenda_item_id":null,"speaker_id":"spk_100940_faye_white","speaker_confidence":0.95,"start_sec":5683.79,"end_sec":5684.43,"text":"Thank you.","topics_json":"[]","vector_id":"vec_seg_100940_365","created_at":"2026-10-31T08:06:00Z","speaker_name":"Faye White"},{"id":"seg_100940_366","meeting_id":"100940","media_asset_id":"med_100940_64d27f33b7194954","agenda_item_id":null,"speaker_id":"spk_100940_chair","speaker_confidence":0.85,"start_sec":5684.43,"end_sec":5685.93,"text":"Commissioner Spencer, do you have anything to bring to the floor?","topics_json":"[]","vector_id":"vec_seg_100940_366","created_at":"2026-10-31T08:06:00Z","speaker_name":null},{"id":"seg_100940_367","meeting_id":"100940","media_asset_id":"med_100940_64d27f33b7194954","agenda_item_id":null,"speaker_id":"spk_100940_commissioner_spencer","speaker_confidence":0.9,"start_sec":5685.93,"end_sec":5701.85,"text":"Um, I do not have anything to add, uh, just some thoughts and we can uh, that we can meet at another time uh and kind of discuss a little bit further. 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Um, before we adjourn, I just want to make light of um some things that we will have to address. Uh, we will not be running from um what is happening in our community. Um, I'm not really sure if everybody is aware of of some particular events that had taken place, but one of them um has to deal with the arrest of a young lady which may have been um, you know, wrong identity and and how that particular thing was handled. Uh, as we receive more concerns from our citizens uh from Dover and more information, uh we will definitely have to uh address what does take place in our community and make some recommendations to our City Council. Um, so please keep your ears open, your eyes open, um and if you need to read more about it, um I'm sure you can find out things um through our community members as well as um the Delaware Online news. Um, so please um just just want to give you a heads up. 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And we have Brother Amari Muhammad. And it's all good. We're going to hear a small presentation from the the Coalition of Dover, which includes Sister Wanda Smack and Brother Amari Muhammad. Before then, I just wanted to let you know the first person was Bonnie Pennington, and she did agree to allow the coalition to go first. Then we'll hear from Bonnie Pennington and we will hear from Mr. Anthony Williams during our old and new business portion of the meeting, okay? Just to let you all know. 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Um we definitely need to connect with you cuz that's giving them something to do. Right now, youth in Dover don't have a lot to do.","topics_json":"[]","vector_id":"vec_seg_100940_75","created_at":"2026-10-31T08:05:59Z","speaker_name":"Ms. Mack"},{"id":"seg_100940_76","meeting_id":"100940","media_asset_id":"med_100940_64d27f33b7194954","agenda_item_id":null,"speaker_id":"spk_100940_male_commissioner","speaker_confidence":0.9,"start_sec":1190.28,"end_sec":1202.65,"text":"I've only been to one of your meetings which I was invited to at one time by Brother Muhammad, but I do plan to come to some more. Um and I want to come to your next one actually. If Is it this month or next month? 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I will as well.","topics_json":"[]","vector_id":"vec_seg_100940_80","created_at":"2026-10-31T08:06:00Z","speaker_name":null},{"id":"seg_100940_81","meeting_id":"100940","media_asset_id":"med_100940_64d27f33b7194954","agenda_item_id":null,"speaker_id":"spk_100940_ms_mack","speaker_confidence":0.85,"start_sec":1221.06,"end_sec":1252.76,"text":"Miss Wanda. It's not so much you don't know that it's not going on.","topics_json":"[]","vector_id":"vec_seg_100940_81","created_at":"2026-10-31T08:06:00Z","speaker_name":"Ms. Mack"},{"id":"seg_100940_82","meeting_id":"100940","media_asset_id":"med_100940_64d27f33b7194954","agenda_item_id":null,"speaker_id":"spk_100940_male_commissioner","speaker_confidence":0.9,"start_sec":1252.69,"end_sec":1259.66,"text":"Faust and myself attended the the one we were invited to um and the other commissioners I'm sure will, you know, make the decision um when when it's best for them to come.","topics_json":"[]","vector_id":"vec_seg_100940_82","created_at":"2026-10-31T08:06:00Z","speaker_name":null},{"id":"seg_100940_83","meeting_id":"100940","media_asset_id":"med_100940_64d27f33b7194954","agenda_item_id":null,"speaker_id":"spk_100940_male_speaker","speaker_confidence":0.8,"start_sec":1259.8,"end_sec":1261.65,"text":"I'll be glad to attend the next meeting. 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It's funny that you made contact.","topics_json":"[]","vector_id":"vec_seg_100940_84","created_at":"2026-10-31T08:06:00Z","speaker_name":null},{"id":"seg_100940_85","meeting_id":"100940","media_asset_id":"med_100940_64d27f33b7194954","agenda_item_id":null,"speaker_id":"spk_100940_ms_mack","speaker_confidence":0.9,"start_sec":1265.06,"end_sec":1268.26,"text":"Uh Faust, if you can send me everyone's email, I'd hate to put you on the spot, but you and I had a very good report.","topics_json":"[]","vector_id":"vec_seg_100940_85","created_at":"2026-10-31T08:06:00Z","speaker_name":"Ms. Mack"},{"id":"seg_100940_86","meeting_id":"100940","media_asset_id":"med_100940_64d27f33b7194954","agenda_item_id":null,"speaker_id":"spk_100940_alan_faust","speaker_confidence":0.9,"start_sec":1268.4,"end_sec":1284.11,"text":"I will I will take care of that, Ms. Mack. I do want to say one thing for the public that's present. We don't have discretionary funds, but we will support your endeavors with help, you know, looking for uh resources and stuff like that. So the public knows Human Relations Commission does not have discretionary funds that the council does, so we can't cut a check.","topics_json":"[\"budget\"]","vector_id":"vec_seg_100940_86","created_at":"2026-10-31T08:06:00Z","speaker_name":"Alan Faust"},{"id":"seg_100940_87","meeting_id":"100940","media_asset_id":"med_100940_64d27f33b7194954","agenda_item_id":null,"speaker_id":"spk_100940_ms_mack","speaker_confidence":0.9,"start_sec":1284.33,"end_sec":1286.96,"text":"That's correct. Fine, but it's from your heart.","topics_json":"[]","vector_id":"vec_seg_100940_87","created_at":"2026-10-31T08:06:00Z","speaker_name":"Ms. Mack"},{"id":"seg_100940_88","meeting_id":"100940","media_asset_id":"med_100940_64d27f33b7194954","agenda_item_id":null,"speaker_id":"spk_100940_alan_faust","speaker_confidence":0.9,"start_sec":1287.1,"end_sec":1292.86,"text":"Yeah, I'm just saying that for the public. Our heart's there. If I can help out in any way personally, you have my phone numbers, Yeah. my email, please contact me.","topics_json":"[]","vector_id":"vec_seg_100940_88","created_at":"2026-10-31T08:06:00Z","speaker_name":"Alan Faust"},{"id":"seg_100940_89","meeting_id":"100940","media_asset_id":"med_100940_64d27f33b7194954","agenda_item_id":null,"speaker_id":"spk_100940_ms_mack","speaker_confidence":0.9,"start_sec":1292.93,"end_sec":1340.84,"text":"Alright, everybody put $20, $30 together, you know what I mean, $10 together. This stuff is not that expensive, I'm telling you. If you actually look at the list, I think the cheapest thing is like $7 for like 100 of them. I'm just saying just look at the list, that wish list that I sent you too, and and you'll see. If you all put in $10, y'all could get two items that's on there, and we're still pushing it. I'm not I I I I I I designed that list so that we could get more for our buck. You feel me?","topics_json":"[]","vector_id":"vec_seg_100940_89","created_at":"2026-10-31T08:06:00Z","speaker_name":"Ms. Mack"},{"id":"seg_100940_9","meeting_id":"100940","media_asset_id":"med_100940_64d27f33b7194954","agenda_item_id":null,"speaker_id":"spk_100940_meeting_leader","speaker_confidence":0.9,"start_sec":179.65,"end_sec":180.73,"text":"Okay. 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Please do that, because I sent everybody the link, and one councilman has already, you know, did something. But yes, take it to your councilman. I appreciate it. Or councilwoman, excuse me.","topics_json":"[]","vector_id":"vec_seg_100940_91","created_at":"2026-10-31T08:06:00Z","speaker_name":"Ms. Mack"},{"id":"seg_100940_92","meeting_id":"100940","media_asset_id":"med_100940_64d27f33b7194954","agenda_item_id":null,"speaker_id":"spk_100940_male_commissioner","speaker_confidence":0.9,"start_sec":1362.88,"end_sec":1367.64,"text":"We definitely um have the ability to uh be vendors at our at our events, so.","topics_json":"[]","vector_id":"vec_seg_100940_92","created_at":"2026-10-31T08:06:00Z","speaker_name":null},{"id":"seg_100940_93","meeting_id":"100940","media_asset_id":"med_100940_64d27f33b7194954","agenda_item_id":null,"speaker_id":"spk_100940_ms_mack","speaker_confidence":0.9,"start_sec":1366.14,"end_sec":1376.31,"text":"Yeah, I want y'all to. They need to know y'all here, man, cuz it it gets I'm telling you, the stories we hear, we encourage them to come here and tell their story. Um and I'ma be honest, and Amari can tell you, it's a lot of","topics_json":"[]","vector_id":"vec_seg_100940_93","created_at":"2026-10-31T08:06:00Z","speaker_name":"Ms. Mack"},{"id":"seg_100940_94","meeting_id":"100940","media_asset_id":"med_100940_64d27f33b7194954","agenda_item_id":null,"speaker_id":"spk_100940_ms_pennington","speaker_confidence":0.9,"start_sec":1376.31,"end_sec":1399.85,"text":"pain in this building for some families that have been here a long time and they're scared to come in this building. And uh it just get heavy, but I can't be the one to tell some of these stories. They got to come here and tell it, and we try to tell them how they could get, you know, help, maybe some resources. A lot of it, they need some therapy, man, for real, just because of things that have been done to them and they just can't get back on track. 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But uh we definitely I wish we had like a mobile health clinic","topics_json":"[\"business\",\"community\"]","vector_id":"vec_seg_100940_95","created_at":"2026-10-31T08:06:00Z","speaker_name":"Ms. Pennington"},{"id":"seg_100940_96","meeting_id":"100940","media_asset_id":"med_100940_64d27f33b7194954","agenda_item_id":null,"speaker_id":"spk_100940_ms_pennington","speaker_confidence":0.9,"start_sec":1420.41,"end_sec":1435.05,"text":"to just pull up in some of these streets and let these people hop in, talk to somebody. Cuz when you keep putting it in, putting it in, putting it in, it's going to send you somewhere else. So, that's my next thing, but that's probably not until the end of 2027.","topics_json":"[\"community\"]","vector_id":"vec_seg_100940_96","created_at":"2026-10-31T08:06:00Z","speaker_name":"Ms. Pennington"},{"id":"seg_100940_97","meeting_id":"100940","media_asset_id":"med_100940_64d27f33b7194954","agenda_item_id":null,"speaker_id":"spk_100940_ms_pennington","speaker_confidence":0.9,"start_sec":1480.69,"end_sec":1491.01,"text":"I'm going to advocate for that. A mental health truck that comes up and down into marginalized communities on a schedule for people to be able to get some assistance. 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Thank you, I didn't know that.","topics_json":"[\"community\"]","vector_id":"vec_seg_100940_99","created_at":"2026-10-31T08:06:00Z","speaker_name":"Ms. Pennington"},{"id":"seg_100944_1","meeting_id":"100944","media_asset_id":"med_100944_1a105c3e60334d71","agenda_item_id":null,"speaker_id":"off_roy_sudler_jr","speaker_confidence":0.95,"start_sec":1.7,"end_sec":20.8,"text":"I now call to order the City of Dover Code Board of Appeals meeting scheduled for Thursday, August 20th, 2026 at 3:37 p.m. The chair will entertain a motion for the adoption of the agenda.","topics_json":"[]","vector_id":"vec_seg_100944_1","created_at":"2026-10-31T08:05:54Z","speaker_name":"Roy Sudler, Jr."},{"id":"seg_100944_10","meeting_id":"100944","media_asset_id":"med_100944_1a105c3e60334d71","agenda_item_id":null,"speaker_id":"off_roy_sudler_jr","speaker_confidence":0.95,"start_sec":49,"end_sec":51,"text":"Those who oppose, please state by saying nay.","topics_json":"[]","vector_id":"vec_seg_100944_10","created_at":"2026-10-31T08:05:54Z","speaker_name":"Roy Sudler, Jr."},{"id":"seg_100944_100","meeting_id":"100944","media_asset_id":"med_100944_1a105c3e60334d71","agenda_item_id":null,"speaker_id":"spk_100944_appellant","speaker_confidence":0.9,"start_sec":1215,"end_sec":1216.5,"text":"Hello?","topics_json":"[]","vector_id":"vec_seg_100944_100","created_at":"2026-10-31T08:05:54Z","speaker_name":null},{"id":"seg_100944_101","meeting_id":"100944","media_asset_id":"med_100944_1a105c3e60334d71","agenda_item_id":null,"speaker_id":"off_fred_a_neil","speaker_confidence":0.9,"start_sec":1216.8,"end_sec":1218.2,"text":"We're still here.","topics_json":"[]","vector_id":"vec_seg_100944_101","created_at":"2026-10-31T08:05:54Z","speaker_name":"Fred A. 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Right. Um, the first notice in a case such as this is what we would consider the warning notice, um, that gives you 30 days to come into compliance before there is any additional enforcement.","topics_json":"[\"zoning\"]","vector_id":"vec_seg_100944_106","created_at":"2026-10-31T08:05:54Z","speaker_name":null},{"id":"seg_100944_107","meeting_id":"100944","media_asset_id":"med_100944_1a105c3e60334d71","agenda_item_id":null,"speaker_id":"spk_100944_appellant","speaker_confidence":0.9,"start_sec":1301.1,"end_sec":1304.1,"text":"Um, the phone is going out really really bad. I can't hear anything.","topics_json":"[]","vector_id":"vec_seg_100944_107","created_at":"2026-10-31T08:05:54Z","speaker_name":null},{"id":"seg_100944_108","meeting_id":"100944","media_asset_id":"med_100944_1a105c3e60334d71","agenda_item_id":null,"speaker_id":"off_fred_a_neil","speaker_confidence":0.95,"start_sec":1305,"end_sec":1324,"text":"And so basically, the warning was there in plenty of time for this to be taken care of, and it didn't take place until the second warning is concerned. We're not interested in taking your money, but basically, you're— just the fact that our code inspectors have...","topics_json":"[\"zoning\"]","vector_id":"vec_seg_100944_108","created_at":"2026-10-31T08:05:54Z","speaker_name":"Fred A. 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So therefore, I basically think that we have to deny your appeal with great regret.","topics_json":"[\"taxes\"]","vector_id":"vec_seg_100944_109","created_at":"2026-10-31T08:05:54Z","speaker_name":null},{"id":"seg_100944_11","meeting_id":"100944","media_asset_id":"med_100944_1a105c3e60334d71","agenda_item_id":null,"speaker_id":"off_roy_sudler_jr","speaker_confidence":0.95,"start_sec":51.6,"end_sec":107,"text":"The motion is adopted unanimously. We now have item number one: Dover Code Ordinance violation, 2009 Property Maintenance Code, Chapter 1 114, 114 Vegetation, Article I, in general, Section 114-2, uh Arbor Culture Arboricultural specifications and standards of practice, H. Pruning and removal, appeal of citation and related fees - 39 Periwinkle Court. Um, I The Chair now recognizes uh Chief Code Enforcement Officer Eddie Kopp to explain the code, and then and then the Chair will then recognize the applicant uh to express why she feels it-","topics_json":"[\"housing\"]","vector_id":"vec_seg_100944_11","created_at":"2026-10-31T08:05:54Z","speaker_name":"Roy Sudler, Jr."},{"id":"seg_100944_110","meeting_id":"100944","media_asset_id":"med_100944_1a105c3e60334d71","agenda_item_id":null,"speaker_id":"spk_100944_appellant","speaker_confidence":0.9,"start_sec":1331,"end_sec":1336,"text":"Um, I can't It's going out. What Um what did you say? 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We have not voted yet. But that's he's But he's speaking in his review that that's his viewpoint that he feels though that we should deny it based on the facts that he brought forward. But we have not voted yet. Not saying we will or not, but just letting you know just for clarity.","topics_json":"[]","vector_id":"vec_seg_100944_115","created_at":"2026-10-31T08:05:55Z","speaker_name":"Roy Sudler, Jr."},{"id":"seg_100944_116","meeting_id":"100944","media_asset_id":"med_100944_1a105c3e60334d71","agenda_item_id":null,"speaker_id":"spk_100944_appellant","speaker_confidence":0.9,"start_sec":1372,"end_sec":1373.2,"text":"Okay, thank you.","topics_json":"[]","vector_id":"vec_seg_100944_116","created_at":"2026-10-31T08:05:55Z","speaker_name":null},{"id":"seg_100944_117","meeting_id":"100944","media_asset_id":"med_100944_1a105c3e60334d71","agenda_item_id":null,"speaker_id":"spk_100944_committee_member_2","speaker_confidence":0.85,"start_sec":1374,"end_sec":1377.3,"text":"Council President, whenever you're ready. I got a question, but she was first.","topics_json":"[]","vector_id":"vec_seg_100944_117","created_at":"2026-10-31T08:05:55Z","speaker_name":null},{"id":"seg_100944_118","meeting_id":"100944","media_asset_id":"med_100944_1a105c3e60334d71","agenda_item_id":null,"speaker_id":"spk_100944_committee_member","speaker_confidence":0.85,"start_sec":1377.3,"end_sec":1379.8,"text":"I had to make sure. I'm finished. I yield.","topics_json":"[]","vector_id":"vec_seg_100944_118","created_at":"2026-10-31T08:05:55Z","speaker_name":null},{"id":"seg_100944_119","meeting_id":"100944","media_asset_id":"med_100944_1a105c3e60334d71","agenda_item_id":null,"speaker_id":"off_roy_sudler_jr","speaker_confidence":0.95,"start_sec":1379.8,"end_sec":1385.4,"text":"Okay. Sorry about that. The Chair recognizes uh committee member, please state your name for the record.","topics_json":"[]","vector_id":"vec_seg_100944_119","created_at":"2026-10-31T08:05:55Z","speaker_name":"Roy Sudler, Jr."},{"id":"seg_100944_12","meeting_id":"100944","media_asset_id":"med_100944_1a105c3e60334d71","agenda_item_id":null,"speaker_id":"off_roy_sudler_jr","speaker_confidence":0.95,"start_sec":107,"end_sec":111.14,"text":"as though the her appeal should be upheld.","topics_json":"[]","vector_id":"vec_seg_100944_12","created_at":"2026-10-31T08:05:54Z","speaker_name":"Roy Sudler, Jr."},{"id":"seg_100944_120","meeting_id":"100944","media_asset_id":"med_100944_1a105c3e60334d71","agenda_item_id":null,"speaker_id":"spk_100944_belinda_payne","speaker_confidence":0.95,"start_sec":1385.4,"end_sec":1387.8,"text":"Uh Belinda Payne. 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In April.","topics_json":"[]","vector_id":"vec_seg_100944_125","created_at":"2026-10-31T08:05:55Z","speaker_name":null},{"id":"seg_100944_126","meeting_id":"100944","media_asset_id":"med_100944_1a105c3e60334d71","agenda_item_id":null,"speaker_id":"spk_100944_code_enforcement_officer","speaker_confidence":0.9,"start_sec":1401.3,"end_sec":1402.2,"text":"Yes, ma'am.","topics_json":"[]","vector_id":"vec_seg_100944_126","created_at":"2026-10-31T08:05:55Z","speaker_name":null},{"id":"seg_100944_127","meeting_id":"100944","media_asset_id":"med_100944_1a105c3e60334d71","agenda_item_id":null,"speaker_id":"spk_100944_board_member","speaker_confidence":0.9,"start_sec":1402.2,"end_sec":1438.9,"text":"The paperwork that we received here for the letters, it says maintenance of property, but it doesn't say anything about grass. It just pretty much states the shrubberies and the trees. So if you're going out there multiple times for multiple different things, and you're only bringing up in this one that the shrubbery needed to be trimmed back or weed, then that this is a separate issue than the grass. So, in in all of respect, you went how many times did you go to the property for for just the trees?","topics_json":"[]","vector_id":"vec_seg_100944_127","created_at":"2026-10-31T08:05:55Z","speaker_name":null},{"id":"seg_100944_128","meeting_id":"100944","media_asset_id":"med_100944_1a105c3e60334d71","agenda_item_id":null,"speaker_id":"spk_100944_code_enforcement_officer_2","speaker_confidence":0.9,"start_sec":1438.9,"end_sec":1448,"text":"For just the trees, it's the three. Um the grass case is an entirely separate case, that has not been factored into this case at all. 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So, um, for this code, the pruning and removal, all large or established trees shall be pruned to the following sufficient heights to allow free passages of pedestrian and vehicular traffic: uh A, 8 feet over sidewalks, and B, 14 feet over streets.","topics_json":"[]","vector_id":"vec_seg_100944_13","created_at":"2026-10-31T08:05:54Z","speaker_name":null},{"id":"seg_100944_130","meeting_id":"100944","media_asset_id":"med_100944_1a105c3e60334d71","agenda_item_id":null,"speaker_id":"spk_100944_code_enforcement_officer_2","speaker_confidence":0.9,"start_sec":1496.4,"end_sec":1497,"text":"Yeah.","topics_json":"[]","vector_id":"vec_seg_100944_130","created_at":"2026-10-31T08:05:55Z","speaker_name":null},{"id":"seg_100944_131","meeting_id":"100944","media_asset_id":"med_100944_1a105c3e60334d71","agenda_item_id":null,"speaker_id":"spk_100944_board_member","speaker_confidence":0.9,"start_sec":1497,"end_sec":1531.8,"text":"This is This is only covering the trees crossing the sidewalk and and pretty much, you know, maybe the grass in the cracks or something like that. 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Um then of course, you went back again, and it still wasn't rectified by the second the letter that she received, which was certified.","topics_json":"[]","vector_id":"vec_seg_100944_131","created_at":"2026-10-31T08:05:55Z","speaker_name":null},{"id":"seg_100944_132","meeting_id":"100944","media_asset_id":"med_100944_1a105c3e60334d71","agenda_item_id":null,"speaker_id":"spk_100944_code_enforcement_officer_2","speaker_confidence":0.9,"start_sec":1531.8,"end_sec":1533.5,"text":"Right, that's what was certified.","topics_json":"[]","vector_id":"vec_seg_100944_132","created_at":"2026-10-31T08:05:55Z","speaker_name":null},{"id":"seg_100944_133","meeting_id":"100944","media_asset_id":"med_100944_1a105c3e60334d71","agenda_item_id":null,"speaker_id":"spk_100944_board_member","speaker_confidence":0.9,"start_sec":1533.5,"end_sec":1535.5,"text":"Yeah, that's okay.","topics_json":"[]","vector_id":"vec_seg_100944_133","created_at":"2026-10-31T08:05:55Z","speaker_name":null},{"id":"seg_100944_134","meeting_id":"100944","media_asset_id":"med_100944_1a105c3e60334d71","agenda_item_id":null,"speaker_id":"spk_100944_board_member_2","speaker_confidence":0.85,"start_sec":1535.5,"end_sec":1538,"text":"Just Just to make it clear Make it clear to","topics_json":"[]","vector_id":"vec_seg_100944_134","created_at":"2026-10-31T08:05:55Z","speaker_name":null},{"id":"seg_100944_135","meeting_id":"100944","media_asset_id":"med_100944_1a105c3e60334d71","agenda_item_id":null,"speaker_id":"spk_100944_chair","speaker_confidence":0.9,"start_sec":1498,"end_sec":1530.5,"text":"hearing that as the chair. So the first time, and and you can correct me, the first time was a warning that she was unaware of, okay? The second time that you came out, she saw it in her Ring camera and she, she was made aware of it, and then she, um, rectified the problem immediately. And then for the third notice, it was already rectified, so by the time the third notice came out, which is August 6th, it was, it had already been rectified by July 7th.","topics_json":"[]","vector_id":"vec_seg_100944_135","created_at":"2026-10-31T08:05:55Z","speaker_name":null},{"id":"seg_100944_136","meeting_id":"100944","media_asset_id":"med_100944_1a105c3e60334d71","agenda_item_id":null,"speaker_id":"spk_100944_city_staff","speaker_confidence":0.9,"start_sec":1530.5,"end_sec":1573.2,"text":"Correct. And, and just for clarification, um, when it comes down to citations and when they're issued, uh, we don't remove citations because you come into compliance. What happens is you don't get more citations. So, uh, take it like speeding, right? So if you get caught speeding, you're on the hook for it. If you stop speeding, you don't get any more tickets. But if you continue to speed, you're going to continue to get tickets. Same concept here. Um, it's a misconception a lot of times that uh, constituents believe that because they brought the property into compliance, we remove citations, and that is a misconception. Uh, thank you.","topics_json":"[]","vector_id":"vec_seg_100944_136","created_at":"2026-10-31T08:05:55Z","speaker_name":null},{"id":"seg_100944_137","meeting_id":"100944","media_asset_id":"med_100944_1a105c3e60334d71","agenda_item_id":null,"speaker_id":"spk_100944_appellant","speaker_confidence":0.8,"start_sec":1573.2,"end_sec":1574.2,"text":"Now, I—","topics_json":"[]","vector_id":"vec_seg_100944_137","created_at":"2026-10-31T08:05:55Z","speaker_name":null},{"id":"seg_100944_138","meeting_id":"100944","media_asset_id":"med_100944_1a105c3e60334d71","agenda_item_id":null,"speaker_id":"spk_100944_chair","speaker_confidence":0.9,"start_sec":1574.2,"end_sec":1581.2,"text":"I'm, just a minute, ma'am. Uh, Chair recognizes uh code enforcement officer Mr. Miller. Mr. Miller, please state your name for the record.","topics_json":"[]","vector_id":"vec_seg_100944_138","created_at":"2026-10-31T08:05:55Z","speaker_name":null},{"id":"seg_100944_139","meeting_id":"100944","media_asset_id":"med_100944_1a105c3e60334d71","agenda_item_id":null,"speaker_id":"spk_100944_thomas_miller","speaker_confidence":0.95,"start_sec":1581.2,"end_sec":1605,"text":"Yeah. Thomas Miller, uh code enforcement officer. So, I just want to clarify. Um, so I was out in the area on June, uh, 3rd for a complaint of a neighbor neighboring property with a tree hanging over obstructing the sidewalk, and happened to notice that her tree was also obstructing the sidewalk. So, I gotta be fair and consistent, and, you know, take care of both.","topics_json":"[\"public_safety\"]","vector_id":"vec_seg_100944_139","created_at":"2026-10-31T08:05:55Z","speaker_name":"Thomas Miller"},{"id":"seg_100944_14","meeting_id":"100944","media_asset_id":"med_100944_1a105c3e60334d71","agenda_item_id":null,"speaker_id":"spk_100944_city_staff","speaker_confidence":0.9,"start_sec":133.54,"end_sec":150.14,"text":"Um, okay. It is it is my knowledge of this case that the violation was corrected. It has been brought into compliance, but at the time the citation was issued, the violation was not in compliance with the code.","topics_json":"[]","vector_id":"vec_seg_100944_14","created_at":"2026-10-31T08:05:54Z","speaker_name":null},{"id":"seg_100944_140","meeting_id":"100944","media_asset_id":"med_100944_1a105c3e60334d71","agenda_item_id":null,"speaker_id":"spk_100944_inspector_henderson","speaker_confidence":0.95,"start_sec":1604.99,"end_sec":1630.39,"text":"cases. Um so issued the initial violation letter June 3rd. Um went back out for July 7th for the re-inspection. No action was taken. Issued the first um citation and second notice. Um I spoke to her on July 15th, and went out for a re-inspection on the case on July 20th, and the case was brought into compliance.","topics_json":"[\"housing\",\"zoning\"]","vector_id":"vec_seg_100944_140","created_at":"2026-10-31T08:05:55Z","speaker_name":"Inspector Henderson"},{"id":"seg_100944_141","meeting_id":"100944","media_asset_id":"med_100944_1a105c3e60334d71","agenda_item_id":null,"speaker_id":"spk_100944_chair","speaker_confidence":0.9,"start_sec":1631.49,"end_sec":1637.69,"text":"Thank you, Inspector Henderson. That was very detailed, and that makes a big difference.","topics_json":"[\"housing\"]","vector_id":"vec_seg_100944_141","created_at":"2026-10-31T08:05:55Z","speaker_name":null},{"id":"seg_100944_142","meeting_id":"100944","media_asset_id":"med_100944_1a105c3e60334d71","agenda_item_id":null,"speaker_id":"spk_100944_chair","speaker_confidence":0.9,"start_sec":1638.49,"end_sec":1642.79,"text":"Um, and then August Tell me Explain to me about August 6th.","topics_json":"[\"housing\"]","vector_id":"vec_seg_100944_142","created_at":"2026-10-31T08:05:55Z","speaker_name":null},{"id":"seg_100944_143","meeting_id":"100944","media_asset_id":"med_100944_1a105c3e60334d71","agenda_item_id":null,"speaker_id":"spk_100944_inspector_henderson","speaker_confidence":0.95,"start_sec":1642.79,"end_sec":1653.99,"text":"So August 6th was just a scheduled date to to do a a third um inspection on the violation, and she had already brought it into compliance on July 20th.","topics_json":"[\"housing\"]","vector_id":"vec_seg_100944_143","created_at":"2026-10-31T08:05:55Z","speaker_name":"Inspector Henderson"},{"id":"seg_100944_144","meeting_id":"100944","media_asset_id":"med_100944_1a105c3e60334d71","agenda_item_id":null,"speaker_id":"spk_100944_chair","speaker_confidence":0.9,"start_sec":1653.99,"end_sec":1657.99,"text":"Okay. 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Appreciate it.","topics_json":"[\"housing\"]","vector_id":"vec_seg_100944_146","created_at":"2026-10-31T08:05:55Z","speaker_name":null},{"id":"seg_100944_147","meeting_id":"100944","media_asset_id":"med_100944_1a105c3e60334d71","agenda_item_id":null,"speaker_id":"spk_100944_chair","speaker_confidence":0.9,"start_sec":1705.19,"end_sec":1713.49,"text":"All right. Are there um any other questions or any other uh comments from the committee members? Chair recognizes, please state your name, committee member.","topics_json":"[]","vector_id":"vec_seg_100944_147","created_at":"2026-10-31T08:05:55Z","speaker_name":null},{"id":"seg_100944_148","meeting_id":"100944","media_asset_id":"med_100944_1a105c3e60334d71","agenda_item_id":null,"speaker_id":"spk_100944_steve_levan","speaker_confidence":0.95,"start_sec":1713.49,"end_sec":1733.89,"text":"Steve LeVan here. Um my question to you is, and I'm just trying to play devil's advocate here, and my background's in human resources. My question to you is, when you're traveling, you said it was for work. Are you tra- Where do you reside when you're not in your home in Dover, Delaware?","topics_json":"[\"housing\"]","vector_id":"vec_seg_100944_148","created_at":"2026-10-31T08:05:55Z","speaker_name":"Steve LeVan"},{"id":"seg_100944_149","meeting_id":"100944","media_asset_id":"med_100944_1a105c3e60334d71","agenda_item_id":null,"speaker_id":"spk_100944_appellant","speaker_confidence":0.9,"start_sec":1734.49,"end_sec":1751.99,"text":"Um I stay My My fiancé lives in PA. So I stay between the two when I'm not working. I work 14 hours a day, so that's why sometimes it's too much for me to drive back and forth. Um so I'll stay there or somewhere near where I'm working at.","topics_json":"[\"housing\"]","vector_id":"vec_seg_100944_149","created_at":"2026-10-31T08:05:55Z","speaker_name":null},{"id":"seg_100944_15","meeting_id":"100944","media_asset_id":"med_100944_1a105c3e60334d71","agenda_item_id":null,"speaker_id":"spk_100944_city_staff","speaker_confidence":0.9,"start_sec":150.14,"end_sec":159.3,"text":"Um, the property owner disagrees with it, and that's why we're here today for the violation. It","topics_json":"[]","vector_id":"vec_seg_100944_15","created_at":"2026-10-31T08:05:54Z","speaker_name":null},{"id":"seg_100944_150","meeting_id":"100944","media_asset_id":"med_100944_1a105c3e60334d71","agenda_item_id":null,"speaker_id":"spk_100944_board_member","speaker_confidence":0.85,"start_sec":1711.99,"end_sec":1719.99,"text":"So all right so you heavily rely on your Ring doorbell camera for the second capture. But why why didn't the first one?","topics_json":"[]","vector_id":"vec_seg_100944_150","created_at":"2026-10-31T08:05:55Z","speaker_name":null},{"id":"seg_100944_151","meeting_id":"100944","media_asset_id":"med_100944_1a105c3e60334d71","agenda_item_id":null,"speaker_id":"spk_100944_appellant","speaker_confidence":0.85,"start_sec":1719.99,"end_sec":1722.29,"text":"I'm sorry. You said do I do what?","topics_json":"[]","vector_id":"vec_seg_100944_151","created_at":"2026-10-31T08:05:55Z","speaker_name":null},{"id":"seg_100944_152","meeting_id":"100944","media_asset_id":"med_100944_1a105c3e60334d71","agenda_item_id":null,"speaker_id":"spk_100944_board_member","speaker_confidence":0.85,"start_sec":1722.29,"end_sec":1727.69,"text":"You heavily rely on your Ring doorbell, your video surveillance to that's how you know about the second notice?","topics_json":"[]","vector_id":"vec_seg_100944_152","created_at":"2026-10-31T08:05:55Z","speaker_name":null},{"id":"seg_100944_153","meeting_id":"100944","media_asset_id":"med_100944_1a105c3e60334d71","agenda_item_id":null,"speaker_id":"spk_100944_appellant","speaker_confidence":0.85,"start_sec":1727.69,"end_sec":1756.79,"text":"Yes, so I believe someone said they said that I had gotten the first notice was sent out, I didn't see it, I returned back to the property, and then that's when I got the second notice, which was the fine. 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I never was back home at that point. I came back home because I saw the note on the door. And as I stated before, last time there was a note on the door, it was from a warning for the grass. So that's when I came home right away. And at that point it was a second notice, not even the first.","topics_json":"[]","vector_id":"vec_seg_100944_155","created_at":"2026-10-31T08:05:55Z","speaker_name":null},{"id":"seg_100944_156","meeting_id":"100944","media_asset_id":"med_100944_1a105c3e60334d71","agenda_item_id":null,"speaker_id":"spk_100944_board_member","speaker_confidence":0.85,"start_sec":1814.69,"end_sec":1822.79,"text":"All right. Real quick, just I don't mean I'm not trying to pester you. 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So at the time the citation was issued, was it lawfully issued in accordance with the code?","topics_json":"[]","vector_id":"vec_seg_100944_16","created_at":"2026-10-31T08:05:54Z","speaker_name":null},{"id":"seg_100944_160","meeting_id":"100944","media_asset_id":"med_100944_1a105c3e60334d71","agenda_item_id":null,"speaker_id":"spk_100944_board_member","speaker_confidence":0.85,"start_sec":1833.59,"end_sec":1856.99,"text":"All right. And then my other question is, just just just just to throw it out there, do you have any documentation I'm not saying like GPS records showing your location out of state, but do you have any documentation showing like three or four days, a couple days after the first five citation that you were out of state, anything?","topics_json":"[]","vector_id":"vec_seg_100944_160","created_at":"2026-10-31T08:05:55Z","speaker_name":null},{"id":"seg_100944_161","meeting_id":"100944","media_asset_id":"med_100944_1a105c3e60334d71","agenda_item_id":null,"speaker_id":"spk_100944_appellant","speaker_confidence":0.85,"start_sec":1857.49,"end_sec":1858.99,"text":"Um, I mean, what can show you that I","topics_json":"[]","vector_id":"vec_seg_100944_161","created_at":"2026-10-31T08:05:55Z","speaker_name":null},{"id":"seg_100944_162","meeting_id":"100944","media_asset_id":"med_100944_1a105c3e60334d71","agenda_item_id":null,"speaker_id":"spk_100944_appellant","speaker_confidence":0.85,"start_sec":1818.99,"end_sec":1820.19,"text":"my work schedule, cuz uh","topics_json":"[\"housing\"]","vector_id":"vec_seg_100944_162","created_at":"2026-10-31T08:05:55Z","speaker_name":null},{"id":"seg_100944_163","meeting_id":"100944","media_asset_id":"med_100944_1a105c3e60334d71","agenda_item_id":null,"speaker_id":"spk_100944_board_member","speaker_confidence":0.85,"start_sec":1820.19,"end_sec":1828.79,"text":"No, not your work, not your work schedule. I'm talking about like GPS records, receipts from a restaurant, an- anything, hotel stay, for a duration...","topics_json":"[\"housing\"]","vector_id":"vec_seg_100944_163","created_at":"2026-10-31T08:05:55Z","speaker_name":null},{"id":"seg_100944_164","meeting_id":"100944","media_asset_id":"med_100944_1a105c3e60334d71","agenda_item_id":null,"speaker_id":"spk_100944_appellant","speaker_confidence":0.85,"start_sec":1828.79,"end_sec":1831.49,"text":"I could pull something like that. 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Cuz are you saying something from June, July, or...","topics_json":"[\"housing\"]","vector_id":"vec_seg_100944_168","created_at":"2026-10-31T08:05:55Z","speaker_name":null},{"id":"seg_100944_169","meeting_id":"100944","media_asset_id":"med_100944_1a105c3e60334d71","agenda_item_id":null,"speaker_id":"spk_100944_board_member","speaker_confidence":0.85,"start_sec":1848.49,"end_sec":1851.79,"text":"When, when you got your fine, your first notification.","topics_json":"[\"housing\"]","vector_id":"vec_seg_100944_169","created_at":"2026-10-31T08:05:55Z","speaker_name":null},{"id":"seg_100944_17","meeting_id":"100944","media_asset_id":"med_100944_1a105c3e60334d71","agenda_item_id":null,"speaker_id":"off_roy_sudler_jr","speaker_confidence":0.95,"start_sec":213.34,"end_sec":231,"text":"Thank you for the interpretation of the code to the staff. Uh thank you very much. Uh the chair now recognizes the applicant. Uh ma'am, you have the floor. Can you explain why you feel as though your appeal should be upheld?","topics_json":"[]","vector_id":"vec_seg_100944_17","created_at":"2026-10-31T08:05:54Z","speaker_name":"Roy Sudler, Jr."},{"id":"seg_100944_170","meeting_id":"100944","media_asset_id":"med_100944_1a105c3e60334d71","agenda_item_id":null,"speaker_id":"spk_100944_eddie_kopp","speaker_confidence":0.8,"start_sec":1851.79,"end_sec":1852.69,"text":"June 3rd.","topics_json":"[\"housing\"]","vector_id":"vec_seg_100944_170","created_at":"2026-10-31T08:05:55Z","speaker_name":"Eddie Kopp"},{"id":"seg_100944_171","meeting_id":"100944","media_asset_id":"med_100944_1a105c3e60334d71","agenda_item_id":null,"speaker_id":"spk_100944_board_member","speaker_confidence":0.85,"start_sec":1852.69,"end_sec":1855.19,"text":"June 3rd. Yeah, June 3rd, June 2nd, June 1st.","topics_json":"[\"housing\"]","vector_id":"vec_seg_100944_171","created_at":"2026-10-31T08:05:55Z","speaker_name":null},{"id":"seg_100944_172","meeting_id":"100944","media_asset_id":"med_100944_1a105c3e60334d71","agenda_item_id":null,"speaker_id":"spk_100944_appellant","speaker_confidence":0.85,"start_sec":1855.19,"end_sec":1858.99,"text":"So the first one, which is the warning one? Because the first one I got was this this ticket.","topics_json":"[\"housing\"]","vector_id":"vec_seg_100944_172","created_at":"2026-10-31T08:05:55Z","speaker_name":null},{"id":"seg_100944_173","meeting_id":"100944","media_asset_id":"med_100944_1a105c3e60334d71","agenda_item_id":null,"speaker_id":"spk_100944_board_member","speaker_confidence":0.85,"start_sec":1858.99,"end_sec":1868.29,"text":"Yeah, you you said you were traveling. What what documentation that you have right now that you could snap over, text it to, you know, send it to the city?","topics_json":"[\"housing\"]","vector_id":"vec_seg_100944_173","created_at":"2026-10-31T08:05:55Z","speaker_name":null},{"id":"seg_100944_174","meeting_id":"100944","media_asset_id":"med_100944_1a105c3e60334d71","agenda_item_id":null,"speaker_id":"spk_100944_appellant","speaker_confidence":0.85,"start_sec":1869.09,"end_sec":1875.99,"text":"Okay, I'll pull up something from June. Let me see. 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Hello. Can you hear me?","topics_json":"[]","vector_id":"vec_seg_100944_18","created_at":"2026-10-31T08:05:54Z","speaker_name":null},{"id":"seg_100944_180","meeting_id":"100944","media_asset_id":"med_100944_1a105c3e60334d71","agenda_item_id":null,"speaker_id":"spk_100944_chair","speaker_confidence":0.85,"start_sec":1951.29,"end_sec":1956.39,"text":"Oh, I'm sorry, Eddie. The chair recognizes, um, Code Enforcement Officer, please state your name for the record.","topics_json":"[\"housing\"]","vector_id":"vec_seg_100944_180","created_at":"2026-10-31T08:05:55Z","speaker_name":null},{"id":"seg_100944_181","meeting_id":"100944","media_asset_id":"med_100944_1a105c3e60334d71","agenda_item_id":null,"speaker_id":"spk_100944_eddie_kopp","speaker_confidence":0.95,"start_sec":1956.39,"end_sec":1965.99,"text":"Um, Eddie Kopp, Chief Code Enforcement Officer for the City of Dover. Um, I know um the board member asked for three days, but I would...","topics_json":"[\"housing\"]","vector_id":"vec_seg_100944_181","created_at":"2026-10-31T08:05:55Z","speaker_name":"Eddie Kopp"},{"id":"seg_100944_182","meeting_id":"100944","media_asset_id":"med_100944_1a105c3e60334d71","agenda_item_id":null,"speaker_id":"spk_100944_unknown_speaker","speaker_confidence":0.7,"start_sec":1925.99,"end_sec":1941.59,"text":"think if we're going to use that kind of evidence, we would have to show a full 30 days from the first notice to the second notice, showing evidence that she was out of town and couldn't obtain that first notice in order to know. 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Unfortunately—","topics_json":"[]","vector_id":"vec_seg_100944_185","created_at":"2026-10-31T08:05:55Z","speaker_name":"Roy Sudler, Jr."},{"id":"seg_100944_186","meeting_id":"100944","media_asset_id":"med_100944_1a105c3e60334d71","agenda_item_id":null,"speaker_id":"spk_100944_appellant","speaker_confidence":0.85,"start_sec":2029.29,"end_sec":2043.09,"text":"Well that's what I'm saying you guys did not do this time. I don't know where where you guys sent it to or what, but before the first time it was on the door like I said, so that's how I was able to know and be aware of something. 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Is it a tornado siren or something?","topics_json":"[\"public_safety\"]","vector_id":"vec_seg_100944_190","created_at":"2026-10-31T08:05:55Z","speaker_name":null},{"id":"seg_100944_191","meeting_id":"100944","media_asset_id":"med_100944_1a105c3e60334d71","agenda_item_id":null,"speaker_id":"spk_100944_emergency_alert_system","speaker_confidence":0.95,"start_sec":2057.79,"end_sec":2063.19,"text":"Tornado warning in this area until 4:45 p.m. Eastern Daylight Saving Time.","topics_json":"[\"public_safety\"]","vector_id":"vec_seg_100944_191","created_at":"2026-10-31T08:05:55Z","speaker_name":null},{"id":"seg_100944_192","meeting_id":"100944","media_asset_id":"med_100944_1a105c3e60334d71","agenda_item_id":null,"speaker_id":"spk_100944_board_member","speaker_confidence":0.85,"start_sec":2063.19,"end_sec":2064.89,"text":"Hold on. Just a minute, ma'am.","topics_json":"[\"public_safety\"]","vector_id":"vec_seg_100944_192","created_at":"2026-10-31T08:05:55Z","speaker_name":null},{"id":"seg_100944_193","meeting_id":"100944","media_asset_id":"med_100944_1a105c3e60334d71","agenda_item_id":null,"speaker_id":"spk_100944_emergency_alert_system","speaker_confidence":0.95,"start_sec":2063.49,"end_sec":2076.59,"text":"Take shelter now. In an interior room on the lowest floor of a sturdy building. If you are outdoors, in a mobile home, or in a vehicle, move to the closest substantial shelter and protect yourself from flying debris. Check media...","topics_json":"[\"public_safety\"]","vector_id":"vec_seg_100944_193","created_at":"2026-10-31T08:05:55Z","speaker_name":null},{"id":"seg_100944_194","meeting_id":"100944","media_asset_id":"med_100944_1a105c3e60334d71","agenda_item_id":null,"speaker_id":"spk_100944_board_member","speaker_confidence":0.85,"start_sec":2070.99,"end_sec":2074.19,"text":"Yeah, just a minute, ma'am. We have a a a a warning.","topics_json":"[\"public_safety\"]","vector_id":"vec_seg_100944_194","created_at":"2026-10-31T08:05:55Z","speaker_name":null},{"id":"seg_100944_195","meeting_id":"100944","media_asset_id":"med_100944_1a105c3e60334d71","agenda_item_id":null,"speaker_id":"spk_100944_board_member","speaker_confidence":0.85,"start_sec":2078.99,"end_sec":2089.79,"text":"Thank you. Sorry. Okay, so would you agree that your your mail you do pick up your mail if something's sent to you through the mail, you do have a means of picking up that mail, correct?","topics_json":"[\"housing\",\"zoning\"]","vector_id":"vec_seg_100944_195","created_at":"2026-10-31T08:05:55Z","speaker_name":null},{"id":"seg_100944_196","meeting_id":"100944","media_asset_id":"med_100944_1a105c3e60334d71","agenda_item_id":null,"speaker_id":"spk_100944_appellant","speaker_confidence":0.85,"start_sec":2090.29,"end_sec":2137.19,"text":"I don't have any important mail that gets sent there. Usually the only thing in my mail is flyers for the market or","topics_json":"[\"housing\",\"zoning\"]","vector_id":"vec_seg_100944_196","created_at":"2026-10-31T08:05:55Z","speaker_name":null},{"id":"seg_100944_197","meeting_id":"100944","media_asset_id":"med_100944_1a105c3e60334d71","agenda_item_id":null,"speaker_id":"spk_100944_board_member","speaker_confidence":0.85,"start_sec":2137.19,"end_sec":2144.39,"text":"Right. But what I'm what I'm asking you, ma'am, is do you do you do you receive mail at that address? Yes or no.","topics_json":"[\"housing\",\"zoning\"]","vector_id":"vec_seg_100944_197","created_at":"2026-10-31T08:05:55Z","speaker_name":null},{"id":"seg_100944_198","meeting_id":"100944","media_asset_id":"med_100944_1a105c3e60334d71","agenda_item_id":null,"speaker_id":"spk_100944_appellant","speaker_confidence":0.85,"start_sec":2144.99,"end_sec":2146.79,"text":"Oh, yeah. Yeah, I have a mailbox.","topics_json":"[\"housing\",\"zoning\"]","vector_id":"vec_seg_100944_198","created_at":"2026-10-31T08:05:55Z","speaker_name":null},{"id":"seg_100944_199","meeting_id":"100944","media_asset_id":"med_100944_1a105c3e60334d71","agenda_item_id":null,"speaker_id":"spk_100944_board_member","speaker_confidence":0.85,"start_sec":2146.99,"end_sec":2179.99,"text":"Okay, thank you. And so in other words, it's my view, and I'm just one person from the committee, but it's my view that you've had there's been two attempts. You had two means: one via mail, which the city did mail out to your mailbox, okay, so to your address. So you have that there. That also comes with the junk mail that you're saying that you receive, right? And then you also have where they physically came out or had or had um the mail person to post something on your door. 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But uh had I known about the first um the citation the first time given, I would have corrected it corrected it, but I didn't I wasn't aware of the first one.","topics_json":"[\"housing\"]","vector_id":"vec_seg_100944_21","created_at":"2026-10-31T08:05:54Z","speaker_name":null},{"id":"seg_100944_210","meeting_id":"100944","media_asset_id":"med_100944_1a105c3e60334d71","agenda_item_id":null,"speaker_id":"spk_100944_board_chair","speaker_confidence":0.9,"start_sec":2270.29,"end_sec":2271.59,"text":"Please state your name for the record, please.","topics_json":"[]","vector_id":"vec_seg_100944_210","created_at":"2026-10-31T08:05:55Z","speaker_name":null},{"id":"seg_100944_211","meeting_id":"100944","media_asset_id":"med_100944_1a105c3e60334d71","agenda_item_id":null,"speaker_id":"spk_100944_eddie_kopp","speaker_confidence":1,"start_sec":2271.59,"end_sec":2280.69,"text":"Eddie Kopp, Chief Code Enforcement Officer. 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Like I said, we're we're here to help you and and but we have to set a uni- a uniform, uh, precedence, you know, so that everyone will be in compliance, okay?","topics_json":"[]","vector_id":"vec_seg_100944_230","created_at":"2026-10-31T08:05:55Z","speaker_name":"Roy Sudler, Jr."},{"id":"seg_100944_231","meeting_id":"100944","media_asset_id":"med_100944_1a105c3e60334d71","agenda_item_id":null,"speaker_id":"spk_100944_public_commenter","speaker_confidence":0.9,"start_sec":2596.29,"end_sec":2596.79,"text":"All right.","topics_json":"[]","vector_id":"vec_seg_100944_231","created_at":"2026-10-31T08:05:55Z","speaker_name":null},{"id":"seg_100944_232","meeting_id":"100944","media_asset_id":"med_100944_1a105c3e60334d71","agenda_item_id":null,"speaker_id":"off_roy_sudler_jr","speaker_confidence":0.85,"start_sec":2596.89,"end_sec":2601.69,"text":"You have a blessed day and and um, you know, have safe travels from A to B, okay?","topics_json":"[]","vector_id":"vec_seg_100944_232","created_at":"2026-10-31T08:05:55Z","speaker_name":"Roy Sudler, Jr."},{"id":"seg_100944_233","meeting_id":"100944","media_asset_id":"med_100944_1a105c3e60334d71","agenda_item_id":null,"speaker_id":"spk_100944_public_commenter","speaker_confidence":0.9,"start_sec":2601.99,"end_sec":2603.09,"text":"Yes, thank you.","topics_json":"[]","vector_id":"vec_seg_100944_233","created_at":"2026-10-31T08:05:55Z","speaker_name":null},{"id":"seg_100944_234","meeting_id":"100944","media_asset_id":"med_100944_1a105c3e60334d71","agenda_item_id":null,"speaker_id":"off_roy_sudler_jr","speaker_confidence":0.85,"start_sec":2603.19,"end_sec":2604.69,"text":"You're welcome. 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Otherwise, I would have corrected it if I would have got the warning.","topics_json":"[\"housing\",\"zoning\"]","vector_id":"vec_seg_100944_43","created_at":"2026-10-31T08:05:54Z","speaker_name":null},{"id":"seg_100944_44","meeting_id":"100944","media_asset_id":"med_100944_1a105c3e60334d71","agenda_item_id":null,"speaker_id":"spk_100944_committee_member","speaker_confidence":0.8,"start_sec":437.5,"end_sec":443.6,"text":"Oh, okay. All right. Um, I may have another question, but um I'll wait my turn.","topics_json":"[]","vector_id":"vec_seg_100944_44","created_at":"2026-10-31T08:05:54Z","speaker_name":null},{"id":"seg_100944_45","meeting_id":"100944","media_asset_id":"med_100944_1a105c3e60334d71","agenda_item_id":null,"speaker_id":"spk_100944_chairman","speaker_confidence":0.85,"start_sec":447.3,"end_sec":452.3,"text":"Did any- any other questions from committee members before we go to code enforcement?","topics_json":"[]","vector_id":"vec_seg_100944_45","created_at":"2026-10-31T08:05:54Z","speaker_name":null},{"id":"seg_100944_46","meeting_id":"100944","media_asset_id":"med_100944_1a105c3e60334d71","agenda_item_id":null,"speaker_id":"spk_100944_chairman","speaker_confidence":0.85,"start_sec":453.1,"end_sec":460.8,"text":"Okay. The chair- the chairman thank you. Uh, the chairman recognizes uh code enforcement chief, Eddie Kopp. Please state your name for the record.","topics_json":"[]","vector_id":"vec_seg_100944_46","created_at":"2026-10-31T08:05:54Z","speaker_name":null},{"id":"seg_100944_47","meeting_id":"100944","media_asset_id":"med_100944_1a105c3e60334d71","agenda_item_id":null,"speaker_id":"spk_100944_eddie_kopp","speaker_confidence":0.9,"start_sec":461.1,"end_sec":470.7,"text":"Uh, Eddie Kopp, Chief Code Enforcement Officer. Just for clarification, uh according to the Kent County tax records, the property sold July 28th of 2021.","topics_json":"[\"taxes\",\"housing\"]","vector_id":"vec_seg_100944_47","created_at":"2026-10-31T08:05:54Z","speaker_name":"Eddie Kopp"},{"id":"seg_100944_48","meeting_id":"100944","media_asset_id":"med_100944_1a105c3e60334d71","agenda_item_id":null,"speaker_id":"spk_100944_chairman","speaker_confidence":0.85,"start_sec":471.8,"end_sec":478.8,"text":"July 28th of 2021. So, a lot of time. Yes. Okay. 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Because I was told that you guys have a lot more that y'all come around and go over and and things of that nature, so, um before the call ended, I wanted to ask you guys how do I actually look that up so that I can keep track of every single thing um that I need to. As As of right now, all I know about is the grass and the tree now. Um, so that way I won't have any any more issues.","topics_json":"[\"housing\"]","vector_id":"vec_seg_100944_61","created_at":"2026-10-31T08:05:54Z","speaker_name":null},{"id":"seg_100944_62","meeting_id":"100944","media_asset_id":"med_100944_1a105c3e60334d71","agenda_item_id":null,"speaker_id":"spk_100944_board_chair","speaker_confidence":0.85,"start_sec":688.8,"end_sec":699.2,"text":"Okay, we'll we'll get we'll get you that information after after this hearing. Um the chair recognizes the chair recognizes the code enforcement officer. 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Actually, right now I am looking into if I'm going to rent it out or do whatever, because with with my work, it's just too far for me to start trav- like to continuously travel. That's why I'm not home.","topics_json":"[\"housing\"]","vector_id":"vec_seg_100944_67","created_at":"2026-10-31T08:05:54Z","speaker_name":null},{"id":"seg_100944_68","meeting_id":"100944","media_asset_id":"med_100944_1a105c3e60334d71","agenda_item_id":null,"speaker_id":"off_roy_sudler_jr","speaker_confidence":0.95,"start_sec":770.32,"end_sec":771.38,"text":"Right, I understand.","topics_json":"[]","vector_id":"vec_seg_100944_68","created_at":"2026-10-31T08:05:54Z","speaker_name":"Roy Sudler, Jr."},{"id":"seg_100944_69","meeting_id":"100944","media_asset_id":"med_100944_1a105c3e60334d71","agenda_item_id":null,"speaker_id":"spk_100944_appellant","speaker_confidence":0.9,"start_sec":771.42,"end_sec":773.1,"text":"Um, but yes.","topics_json":"[]","vector_id":"vec_seg_100944_69","created_at":"2026-10-31T08:05:54Z","speaker_name":null},{"id":"seg_100944_7","meeting_id":"100944","media_asset_id":"med_100944_1a105c3e60334d71","agenda_item_id":null,"speaker_id":"off_julia_m_pillsbury","speaker_confidence":0.9,"start_sec":44.3,"end_sec":45.1,"text":"No.","topics_json":"[]","vector_id":"vec_seg_100944_7","created_at":"2026-10-31T08:05:54Z","speaker_name":"Julia M. 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So the grass was maintained by like just people that I was finding as, you know, as they were going to to do the job.","topics_json":"[\"housing\"]","vector_id":"vec_seg_100944_71","created_at":"2026-10-31T08:05:54Z","speaker_name":null},{"id":"seg_100944_72","meeting_id":"100944","media_asset_id":"med_100944_1a105c3e60334d71","agenda_item_id":null,"speaker_id":"off_roy_sudler_jr","speaker_confidence":0.95,"start_sec":853.28,"end_sec":854.12,"text":"So would it be...","topics_json":"[]","vector_id":"vec_seg_100944_72","created_at":"2026-10-31T08:05:54Z","speaker_name":"Roy Sudler, Jr."},{"id":"seg_100944_73","meeting_id":"100944","media_asset_id":"med_100944_1a105c3e60334d71","agenda_item_id":null,"speaker_id":"spk_100944_appellant","speaker_confidence":0.9,"start_sec":854.14,"end_sec":862.62,"text":"As far as the tree, I didn't know the tree didn't look bad, and it it wasn't nothing ever done, and I didn't know that they had to be cut back because it wasn't growing out like that.","topics_json":"[\"housing\"]","vector_id":"vec_seg_100944_73","created_at":"2026-10-31T08:05:54Z","speaker_name":null},{"id":"seg_100944_74","meeting_id":"100944","media_asset_id":"med_100944_1a105c3e60334d71","agenda_item_id":null,"speaker_id":"spk_100944_appellant","speaker_confidence":0.9,"start_sec":864.68,"end_sec":875.56,"text":"Again, I didn't notice it. I was home the month of June for one weekend, and that was it out of June. And then July is when I got the notice with the petition.","topics_json":"[\"housing\"]","vector_id":"vec_seg_100944_74","created_at":"2026-10-31T08:05:54Z","speaker_name":null},{"id":"seg_100944_75","meeting_id":"100944","media_asset_id":"med_100944_1a105c3e60334d71","agenda_item_id":null,"speaker_id":"spk_100944_chair","speaker_confidence":0.85,"start_sec":876.32,"end_sec":888.78,"text":"Okay, thank you, thank you. Um, are there any other questions from committee members? 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Um, he sent the first notice in accordance with code by first class mail. Uh, upon follow-up, the case was not in compliance, and uh, the second notice and citation was issued. And then upon the third inspection to the property, it was brought into compliance. Uh, one things to take to consider here is uh, Thomas Miller had to visit this property three times um before compliance was made. Uh, so everything was done in accordance with code. The citation was issued in accordance with code. So on behalf of code enforcement, it's our recommendation that Thomas Mill- that Thomas Miller did uphold the code um in accordance with his official duties as a code enforcement officer. 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Yes, ma'am.","topics_json":"[]","vector_id":"vec_seg_100944_82","created_at":"2026-10-31T08:05:54Z","speaker_name":null},{"id":"seg_100944_83","meeting_id":"100944","media_asset_id":"med_100944_1a105c3e60334d71","agenda_item_id":null,"speaker_id":"spk_100944_applicant","speaker_confidence":0.85,"start_sec":982.3,"end_sec":998.9,"text":"Uh, when did he have to come out three times? So he came out the first time where he saw that the issue was an issue, and he sent something out. And then he came out again after I received the second notice and said that it was it was fine.","topics_json":"[]","vector_id":"vec_seg_100944_83","created_at":"2026-10-31T08:05:54Z","speaker_name":null},{"id":"seg_100944_84","meeting_id":"100944","media_asset_id":"med_100944_1a105c3e60334d71","agenda_item_id":null,"speaker_id":"spk_100944_chair","speaker_confidence":0.9,"start_sec":998.9,"end_sec":1003,"text":"Okay. So so to your knowledge and to your recollection,","topics_json":"[]","vector_id":"vec_seg_100944_84","created_at":"2026-10-31T08:05:54Z","speaker_name":null},{"id":"seg_100944_85","meeting_id":"100944","media_asset_id":"med_100944_1a105c3e60334d71","agenda_item_id":null,"speaker_id":"spk_100944_board_chair","speaker_confidence":0.85,"start_sec":963,"end_sec":983.2,"text":"he made one visit citing or identifying a problem, then he then he made a second visit where you saw he came to the door and you retrieved the notice and rectified the problem. Is that what you're saying? That's what you That's what you took note of?","topics_json":"[]","vector_id":"vec_seg_100944_85","created_at":"2026-10-31T08:05:54Z","speaker_name":null},{"id":"seg_100944_86","meeting_id":"100944","media_asset_id":"med_100944_1a105c3e60334d71","agenda_item_id":null,"speaker_id":"spk_100944_appellant","speaker_confidence":0.85,"start_sec":983.2,"end_sec":990.2,"text":"Yes, because the day that I got the actual notice, the when I first got the notice on my behalf, I spoke to him that same day","topics_json":"[]","vector_id":"vec_seg_100944_86","created_at":"2026-10-31T08:05:54Z","speaker_name":null},{"id":"seg_100944_87","meeting_id":"100944","media_asset_id":"med_100944_1a105c3e60334d71","agenda_item_id":null,"speaker_id":"spk_100944_appellant","speaker_confidence":0.85,"start_sec":994,"end_sec":999.3,"text":"to inquire about the situation and to see what was going on. 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Second inspection to see if the property was brought into compliance was on July 7th at 1:38, um, so 30 days later. Her property was found not to be in compliance, so the second notice along with citation was sent out. Third inspection was performed on August 6th when the property was found to be in compliance with code.","topics_json":"[]","vector_id":"vec_seg_100944_89","created_at":"2026-10-31T08:05:54Z","speaker_name":"Ciera Brown"},{"id":"seg_100944_9","meeting_id":"100944","media_asset_id":"med_100944_1a105c3e60334d71","agenda_item_id":null,"speaker_id":"off_fred_a_neil","speaker_confidence":0.85,"start_sec":47.8,"end_sec":48.9,"text":"Aye.","topics_json":"[]","vector_id":"vec_seg_100944_9","created_at":"2026-10-31T08:05:54Z","speaker_name":"Fred A. 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Um, I do believe that at this juncture, the notice were properly According to the code, the notice was properly executed. Um,","topics_json":"[]","vector_id":"vec_seg_100944_91","created_at":"2026-10-31T08:05:54Z","speaker_name":null},{"id":"seg_100944_92","meeting_id":"100944","media_asset_id":"med_100944_1a105c3e60334d71","agenda_item_id":null,"speaker_id":"off_roy_sudler_jr","speaker_confidence":0.95,"start_sec":1070,"end_sec":1107,"text":"Unfortunately, from from my viewpoint, I'm only one person as a chair, from my viewpoint, it appears that there's a breakdown between, um, you receiving, um, proper notice on your end because you're not, you know, there physically daily. Do you think that most likely if you were there at the premises that you would have received the first and second notice, or at least the first one, do you think that you would have received it if you were physically there or had someone there checking, um, your mail or there? Do you think that you would have received it?","topics_json":"[]","vector_id":"vec_seg_100944_92","created_at":"2026-10-31T08:05:54Z","speaker_name":"Roy Sudler, Jr."},{"id":"seg_100944_93","meeting_id":"100944","media_asset_id":"med_100944_1a105c3e60334d71","agenda_item_id":null,"speaker_id":"spk_100944_appellant","speaker_confidence":0.85,"start_sec":1107,"end_sec":1132.1,"text":"Um, I'm not really too sure. The first time when he told me, cuz that's how I knew about the grass and what the grass requirements were, it was a sticker on the actual door. And then I guess you guys just don't do that at every time, which I wasn't aware. So it was sent out, like the first time when it came about the grass, that got corrected immediately. Um, and that's how I knew about the the grass.","topics_json":"[]","vector_id":"vec_seg_100944_93","created_at":"2026-10-31T08:05:54Z","speaker_name":null},{"id":"seg_100944_94","meeting_id":"100944","media_asset_id":"med_100944_1a105c3e60334d71","agenda_item_id":null,"speaker_id":"off_roy_sudler_jr","speaker_confidence":0.95,"start_sec":1132.1,"end_sec":1137.4,"text":"Right. Thank you. Um, Chair recognizes, uh, code enforcement officer.","topics_json":"[]","vector_id":"vec_seg_100944_94","created_at":"2026-10-31T08:05:54Z","speaker_name":"Roy Sudler, Jr."},{"id":"seg_100944_95","meeting_id":"100944","media_asset_id":"med_100944_1a105c3e60334d71","agenda_item_id":null,"speaker_id":"spk_100944_code_enforcement_officer","speaker_confidence":0.9,"start_sec":1137.4,"end_sec":1177,"text":"Um, to bring a little bit of clarity, um, there was a separate case back in June— April. Um, there was a previous case in April 2026 in reference to the grass. 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Um, right, so just to clarify, uh, and it wouldn't be something attainable for every case that was an issue. Thanks.","topics_json":"[\"zoning\"]","vector_id":"vec_seg_100944_97","created_at":"2026-10-31T08:05:54Z","speaker_name":null},{"id":"seg_100944_98","meeting_id":"100944","media_asset_id":"med_100944_1a105c3e60334d71","agenda_item_id":null,"speaker_id":"spk_100944_chair","speaker_confidence":0.8,"start_sec":1205.5,"end_sec":1209.3,"text":"The Chair recognizes Council President Neil. Council President Neil.","topics_json":"[]","vector_id":"vec_seg_100944_98","created_at":"2026-10-31T08:05:54Z","speaker_name":null},{"id":"seg_100944_99","meeting_id":"100944","media_asset_id":"med_100944_1a105c3e60334d71","agenda_item_id":null,"speaker_id":"off_fred_a_neil","speaker_confidence":0.95,"start_sec":1209.6,"end_sec":1214.8,"text":"Thank you, Mr. Chairman. 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It is Wednesday, August 19th, uh just after 9:00 a.m. Uh welcome.","topics_json":"[]","vector_id":"vec_seg_100960_1","created_at":"2026-10-31T08:16:53Z","speaker_name":"Dawn Melson-Williams"},{"id":"seg_100960_10","meeting_id":"100960","media_asset_id":"med_100960_08560546a3d9bf4a","agenda_item_id":null,"speaker_id":"spk_100960_bud_wagner","speaker_confidence":1,"start_sec":195.24,"end_sec":195.91,"text":"Present.","topics_json":"[]","vector_id":"vec_seg_100960_10","created_at":"2026-10-31T08:16:53Z","speaker_name":"Bud Wagner"},{"id":"seg_100960_100","meeting_id":"100960","media_asset_id":"med_100960_08560546a3d9bf4a","agenda_item_id":null,"speaker_id":"spk_100960_dan_kramer","speaker_confidence":0.9,"start_sec":1878.78,"end_sec":1891.28,"text":"that's why I'm saying. We we all we have four lots sitting in our storage unit. Right. Four Excuse me, RVs sitting in our storage units since September when code enforcement came and said you're not allowed to bring any RVs. Once they leave, they can't come back, which is not what was decided in","topics_json":"[\"housing\",\"zoning\"]","vector_id":"vec_seg_100960_100","created_at":"2026-10-31T08:16:53Z","speaker_name":"Dan Kramer"},{"id":"seg_100960_101","meeting_id":"100960","media_asset_id":"med_100960_08560546a3d9bf4a","agenda_item_id":null,"speaker_id":"spk_100960_dan_kramer","speaker_confidence":0.9,"start_sec":1891.48,"end_sec":1906.68,"text":"the uh in 2020 with this when prior owners brought a an action that said they were grandfathered for 20. So, the reason why we haven't had any come in since 2025 is because we were blocked. We were stymied from bringing, despite the fact that we've had over 70 uh people calling inquiring whether they can bring","topics_json":"[\"housing\",\"zoning\"]","vector_id":"vec_seg_100960_101","created_at":"2026-10-31T08:16:53Z","speaker_name":"Dan Kramer"},{"id":"seg_100960_102","meeting_id":"100960","media_asset_id":"med_100960_08560546a3d9bf4a","agenda_item_id":null,"speaker_id":"spk_100960_dan_kramer","speaker_confidence":0.9,"start_sec":1907.38,"end_sec":1923.08,"text":"bring in those those homes. So, of the four that we're asking for now, three of them were being used from the time we bought the park in '22 to '25 in September when we were told not to. There is one that has some issues with tree roots and things like that, which as soon as we","topics_json":"[\"housing\",\"zoning\"]","vector_id":"vec_seg_100960_102","created_at":"2026-10-31T08:16:53Z","speaker_name":"Dan Kramer"},{"id":"seg_100960_103","meeting_id":"100960","media_asset_id":"med_100960_08560546a3d9bf4a","agenda_item_id":null,"speaker_id":"spk_100960_dan_kramer","speaker_confidence":0.9,"start_sec":1923.58,"end_sec":1941.88,"text":"hopefully get a variance to go for the final four, we're going to spend the money to clean the roots so we can fit the lot on. They all have correct electric, water, sewer. As you saw in the exhibits, there's a there's a major difference between a connection for a mobile home and a connection for an RV. Those four lots have always had RV connections, which just like a plug. 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Uh even the 17 of them were violated at that time. That's That's what we were told. That correct?","topics_json":"[\"housing\",\"zoning\"]","vector_id":"vec_seg_100960_105","created_at":"2026-10-31T08:16:53Z","speaker_name":null},{"id":"seg_100960_106","meeting_id":"100960","media_asset_id":"med_100960_08560546a3d9bf4a","agenda_item_id":null,"speaker_id":"spk_100960_dan_kramer","speaker_confidence":0.9,"start_sec":1962.58,"end_sec":1964.98,"text":"That's correct.","topics_json":"[]","vector_id":"vec_seg_100960_106","created_at":"2026-10-31T08:16:53Z","speaker_name":"Dan Kramer"},{"id":"seg_100960_107","meeting_id":"100960","media_asset_id":"med_100960_08560546a3d9bf4a","agenda_item_id":null,"speaker_id":"spk_100960_chairman","speaker_confidence":0.9,"start_sec":1965.58,"end_sec":1977.38,"text":"Now, I understand the board approved 17 um last time. There were some technicalities on that. We, some technicalities in serious uh","topics_json":"[\"zoning\"]","vector_id":"vec_seg_100960_107","created_at":"2026-10-31T08:16:53Z","speaker_name":null},{"id":"seg_100960_108","meeting_id":"100960","media_asset_id":"med_100960_08560546a3d9bf4a","agenda_item_id":null,"speaker_id":"spk_100960_chairman","speaker_confidence":0.9,"start_sec":1980.88,"end_sec":2016.68,"text":"And And there was a couple of cases, just bringing this up for a reason, there was a couple of cases uh that went before the courts. And and one was uh res judicata, means that the same parties could not regulate a condition. They had already been fully litigated. And and the other decision with some of the board members drew up very diligent on these three cases.","topics_json":"[\"zoning\"]","vector_id":"vec_seg_100960_108","created_at":"2026-10-31T08:16:53Z","speaker_name":null},{"id":"seg_100960_109","meeting_id":"100960","media_asset_id":"med_100960_08560546a3d9bf4a","agenda_item_id":null,"speaker_id":"spk_100960_chairman","speaker_confidence":0.9,"start_sec":2021.88,"end_sec":2031.68,"text":"Probably why the uh 17 because they were having pretty much open-ended according to court cases. So, that being said, it was spent.","topics_json":"[\"zoning\"]","vector_id":"vec_seg_100960_109","created_at":"2026-10-31T08:16:53Z","speaker_name":null},{"id":"seg_100960_11","meeting_id":"100960","media_asset_id":"med_100960_08560546a3d9bf4a","agenda_item_id":null,"speaker_id":"spk_100960_city_clerk","speaker_confidence":1,"start_sec":196.07,"end_sec":196.79,"text":"Mr. Holmes?","topics_json":"[]","vector_id":"vec_seg_100960_11","created_at":"2026-10-31T08:16:53Z","speaker_name":"City Clerk"},{"id":"seg_100960_110","meeting_id":"100960","media_asset_id":"med_100960_08560546a3d9bf4a","agenda_item_id":null,"speaker_id":"spk_100960_chairman","speaker_confidence":0.9,"start_sec":2032.18,"end_sec":2065.58,"text":"Now, with the four lots that asking for now uh I just feel that we we are allowed to, I'm not saying we're for or against, my mind I have to seriously take forward to the city code so what it was formed in 2016.","topics_json":"[\"zoning\"]","vector_id":"vec_seg_100960_110","created_at":"2026-10-31T08:16:53Z","speaker_name":null},{"id":"seg_100960_111","meeting_id":"100960","media_asset_id":"med_100960_08560546a3d9bf4a","agenda_item_id":null,"speaker_id":"spk_100960_chairman","speaker_confidence":0.9,"start_sec":2068.58,"end_sec":2087.68,"text":"So I We had some problems surely discussion from send that we we don't want to send. We have standards with the Dover and","topics_json":"[\"zoning\"]","vector_id":"vec_seg_100960_111","created_at":"2026-10-31T08:16:53Z","speaker_name":null},{"id":"seg_100960_112","meeting_id":"100960","media_asset_id":"med_100960_08560546a3d9bf4a","agenda_item_id":null,"speaker_id":"spk_100960_chairman","speaker_confidence":0.9,"start_sec":2092.68,"end_sec":2097.38,"text":"That being said, I really don't have any comments on it now.","topics_json":"[]","vector_id":"vec_seg_100960_112","created_at":"2026-10-31T08:16:53Z","speaker_name":null},{"id":"seg_100960_113","meeting_id":"100960","media_asset_id":"med_100960_08560546a3d9bf4a","agenda_item_id":null,"speaker_id":"spk_100960_dan_kramer","speaker_confidence":0.9,"start_sec":2097.98,"end_sec":2137.78,"text":"If I can respond to that. Sure. That 17 number um back in 2020 when the attorney who represented us at the June meeting, Peter Schaeffer, uh in in one of the verbal arguments mentioned 17, it's irrelevant. There are always been 21 distinct RV lots in Kings Cliffe. And distinct, I mean it has the different type of electrical hookup. We can't we can't hook up a manufactured home on an RV lot.","topics_json":"[\"housing\",\"zoning\"]","vector_id":"vec_seg_100960_113","created_at":"2026-10-31T08:16:53Z","speaker_name":"Dan Kramer"},{"id":"seg_100960_114","meeting_id":"100960","media_asset_id":"med_100960_08560546a3d9bf4a","agenda_item_id":null,"speaker_id":"spk_100960_chairman","speaker_confidence":0.9,"start_sec":2138.08,"end_sec":2139.98,"text":"So, we're familiar with that. Right.","topics_json":"[]","vector_id":"vec_seg_100960_114","created_at":"2026-10-31T08:16:53Z","speaker_name":null},{"id":"seg_100960_115","meeting_id":"100960","media_asset_id":"med_100960_08560546a3d9bf4a","agenda_item_id":null,"speaker_id":"spk_100960_dan_kramer","speaker_confidence":0.9,"start_sec":2140.28,"end_sec":2185.88,"text":"So, the 17 was just mentioned when we when when the 2020 and again, we weren't involved, 2020 it it um grandfathered RV lots. So, in fact, Mr. Schaeffer, when I when someone mentioned 17, it could've always been 21. When we bought the park, the ALTUS survey and went for a Freddie Mac backed loan, there were 21 lots. And so, if I go back to the government and say you're wrong, is that fraud on my part? Because we told them we had 21 RV lots first on the in the 126 lots. So,","topics_json":"[\"housing\",\"zoning\",\"business\"]","vector_id":"vec_seg_100960_115","created_at":"2026-10-31T08:16:53Z","speaker_name":"Dan Kramer"},{"id":"seg_100960_116","meeting_id":"100960","media_asset_id":"med_100960_08560546a3d9bf4a","agenda_item_id":null,"speaker_id":"spk_100960_dan_kramer","speaker_confidence":0.9,"start_sec":2185.98,"end_sec":2235.28,"text":"to to our point to the staff's recommendation, we're not changing anything that wasn't already in place and approved. We had 21 lots. We've been stymied now since September to to not allow any of these folks who have single moms with with children. We can't fill up those. The RVs the least expensive homes for people to live in. And so, basically, uh we have not been able to uh help families look for affordable homes. So, I'm asking for those four, and I understand what you're saying.","topics_json":"[\"housing\",\"zoning\"]","vector_id":"vec_seg_100960_116","created_at":"2026-10-31T08:16:53Z","speaker_name":"Dan Kramer"},{"id":"seg_100960_117","meeting_id":"100960","media_asset_id":"med_100960_08560546a3d9bf4a","agenda_item_id":null,"speaker_id":"spk_100960_dan_kramer","speaker_confidence":0.9,"start_sec":2236.08,"end_sec":2262.38,"text":"Res judicata means it's happened it's already been decided. But it all went down that's already been decided in your 2020 decision, and I'm not sure if you were involved at that time. But, you know, to our to to for us, to bring in affordable housing, we need those four RVs. And we're not changing a thing. It's not changing complexion of the park. It's not injurious to the public. 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So, thank you.","topics_json":"[\"housing\",\"business\"]","vector_id":"vec_seg_100960_118","created_at":"2026-10-31T08:16:53Z","speaker_name":"Dan Kramer"},{"id":"seg_100960_119","meeting_id":"100960","media_asset_id":"med_100960_08560546a3d9bf4a","agenda_item_id":null,"speaker_id":"spk_100960_chairman","speaker_confidence":0.9,"start_sec":2280.98,"end_sec":2320.38,"text":"I can understand. Um I'm sorry to be the devil's advocate, understand the way both sides, not advocating anything. Um What bothers me is that you're asking for four more lots. Theoretically, they were in the 17. The argument were 20 instead of the 17. The inspection department was very diligent in what they did. And I respect them very much and","topics_json":"[\"zoning\"]","vector_id":"vec_seg_100960_119","created_at":"2026-10-31T08:16:53Z","speaker_name":null},{"id":"seg_100960_12","meeting_id":"100960","media_asset_id":"med_100960_08560546a3d9bf4a","agenda_item_id":null,"speaker_id":"spk_100960_city_clerk","speaker_confidence":1,"start_sec":197.66,"end_sec":198.38,"text":"Ms. Brinkley?","topics_json":"[]","vector_id":"vec_seg_100960_12","created_at":"2026-10-31T08:16:53Z","speaker_name":"City Clerk"},{"id":"seg_100960_120","meeting_id":"100960","media_asset_id":"med_100960_08560546a3d9bf4a","agenda_item_id":null,"speaker_id":"spk_100960_chairman","speaker_confidence":0.9,"start_sec":2321.68,"end_sec":2323.58,"text":"and said you were in violation of the 17.","topics_json":"[\"zoning\"]","vector_id":"vec_seg_100960_120","created_at":"2026-10-31T08:16:53Z","speaker_name":null},{"id":"seg_100960_121","meeting_id":"100960","media_asset_id":"med_100960_08560546a3d9bf4a","agenda_item_id":null,"speaker_id":"spk_100960_dan_kramer","speaker_confidence":0.9,"start_sec":2324.38,"end_sec":2350.38,"text":"Sir, can I mention one thing? Um the the uh the officer uh he didn't even know which lots. It's in the record. He didn't know. He only counted the ones where there were actual RVs on it at that time. But there were lots that were RV lots with the correct electrical hookups that he didn't have. So, um Officer Kopp was asked, and I think that was at the end, if you look at look at the summary of what was said,","topics_json":"[\"housing\",\"zoning\"]","vector_id":"vec_seg_100960_121","created_at":"2026-10-31T08:16:53Z","speaker_name":"Dan Kramer"},{"id":"seg_100960_122","meeting_id":"100960","media_asset_id":"med_100960_08560546a3d9bf4a","agenda_item_id":null,"speaker_id":"spk_100960_dan_kramer","speaker_confidence":0.9,"start_sec":2350.48,"end_sec":2391.48,"text":"um Peter Schaeffer, our attorney at the time, asked him whether he knew the other. He had no recollection where the other lots were. But we've always had 21. I wouldn't have um stated to a government authority, which is Freddie Mac, that we were buying a park had 126 lots of which 21 were proved to had been used for RVs since inception. So, not asking for anything that wasn't already agreed to back in 20 2020, and that was adjudicated before we purchased it.","topics_json":"[\"housing\",\"zoning\",\"business\"]","vector_id":"vec_seg_100960_122","created_at":"2026-10-31T08:16:53Z","speaker_name":"Dan Kramer"},{"id":"seg_100960_123","meeting_id":"100960","media_asset_id":"med_100960_08560546a3d9bf4a","agenda_item_id":null,"speaker_id":"spk_100960_chairman","speaker_confidence":0.9,"start_sec":2393.98,"end_sec":2436.68,"text":"I understand what you're saying. The only thing I'm I'm trying to be the devil's advocate is we deal with many things throughout the city. And if you go on throughout the city, the residential small area like Dover Lake uh Lakeview um give you sizes of so high. You go on the highway, then you have a pylon sign, 70-foot, 50-foot. And if we just open everything up, you would have 40-foot signs, 100-foot signs, 20-foot signs, going down uh State Street from","topics_json":"[\"zoning\"]","vector_id":"vec_seg_100960_123","created_at":"2026-10-31T08:16:53Z","speaker_name":null},{"id":"seg_100960_124","meeting_id":"100960","media_asset_id":"med_100960_08560546a3d9bf4a","agenda_item_id":null,"speaker_id":"spk_100960_chairman","speaker_confidence":0.9,"start_sec":2437.98,"end_sec":2456.88,"text":"There's a There's a small sign there. And if we allowed 20-foot signs in residential areas, etc. So, that's why myself or I think the board would consider all aspects and there is always that possibility of other mobile home parks within the area","topics_json":"[\"zoning\"]","vector_id":"vec_seg_100960_124","created_at":"2026-10-31T08:16:53Z","speaker_name":null},{"id":"seg_100960_125","meeting_id":"100960","media_asset_id":"med_100960_08560546a3d9bf4a","agenda_item_id":null,"speaker_id":"spk_100960_chairman","speaker_confidence":0.9,"start_sec":2459.08,"end_sec":2478.28,"text":"um requesting the same thing. I'm very close with the the change in the 2016 2016 code, very specific. Code itself is very specific. And I just want you to know uh I understand your your side.","topics_json":"[\"zoning\"]","vector_id":"vec_seg_100960_125","created_at":"2026-10-31T08:16:53Z","speaker_name":null},{"id":"seg_100960_126","meeting_id":"100960","media_asset_id":"med_100960_08560546a3d9bf4a","agenda_item_id":null,"speaker_id":"spk_100960_dan_kramer","speaker_confidence":0.9,"start_sec":2478.68,"end_sec":2516.98,"text":"Understood. Um Last uh week we have an answering service at its call Carol Holmes. And I just pulled off since July 31st a couple of them and ranges from, there's a dog barking in the neighborhood, please stop them, to uh the ones the reason I grab this. Here's one July 29th, interested in a rental lot for an RV. July 30th, would like to know if you have any lots available for a 2026 camper with three electric slide-outs. Here's July 31st, like to know if you have any lots available for uh an RV.","topics_json":"[\"housing\"]","vector_id":"vec_seg_100960_126","created_at":"2026-10-31T08:16:53Z","speaker_name":"Dan Kramer"},{"id":"seg_100960_127","meeting_id":"100960","media_asset_id":"med_100960_08560546a3d9bf4a","agenda_item_id":null,"speaker_id":"spk_100960_dan_kramer","speaker_confidence":0.9,"start_sec":2517.58,"end_sec":2545.48,"text":"Here's one uh August 2nd, wants to know if they can rent a lot for an RV for a year until a manufactured home gets built. This is someone who wants to come into our park, rent an RV for a year while manufactured home get built. Here's one from August 6th. I'm just what I'm trying to point out, sir, Can you excuse? Yeah, sure.","topics_json":"[\"housing\"]","vector_id":"vec_seg_100960_127","created_at":"2026-10-31T08:16:53Z","speaker_name":"Dan Kramer"},{"id":"seg_100960_128","meeting_id":"100960","media_asset_id":"med_100960_08560546a3d9bf4a","agenda_item_id":null,"speaker_id":"spk_100960_chairman","speaker_confidence":0.9,"start_sec":2545.68,"end_sec":2552.98,"text":"When you say they want to rent an RV until a mobile home park or mobile home","topics_json":"[\"housing\"]","vector_id":"vec_seg_100960_128","created_at":"2026-10-31T08:16:53Z","speaker_name":null},{"id":"seg_100960_129","meeting_id":"100960","media_asset_id":"med_100960_08560546a3d9bf4a","agenda_item_id":null,"speaker_id":"spk_100960_dan_kramer","speaker_confidence":0.9,"start_sec":2553.18,"end_sec":2557.98,"text":"Right. This is someone who wants to move in as a family while they","topics_json":"[\"housing\"]","vector_id":"vec_seg_100960_129","created_at":"2026-10-31T08:16:53Z","speaker_name":"Dan Kramer"},{"id":"seg_100960_13","meeting_id":"100960","media_asset_id":"med_100960_08560546a3d9bf4a","agenda_item_id":null,"speaker_id":"spk_100960_carolyn_brinkley","speaker_confidence":1,"start_sec":198.46,"end_sec":199.02,"text":"Present.","topics_json":"[]","vector_id":"vec_seg_100960_13","created_at":"2026-10-31T08:16:53Z","speaker_name":"Carolyn Brinkley"},{"id":"seg_100960_130","meeting_id":"100960","media_asset_id":"med_100960_08560546a3d9bf4a","agenda_item_id":null,"speaker_id":"spk_100960_chairman","speaker_confidence":0.9,"start_sec":2558.08,"end_sec":2565.18,"text":"They want to stay there say, for 6 months or a year, whatever, then they can move into the mobile home.","topics_json":"[\"housing\"]","vector_id":"vec_seg_100960_130","created_at":"2026-10-31T08:16:53Z","speaker_name":null},{"id":"seg_100960_131","meeting_id":"100960","media_asset_id":"med_100960_08560546a3d9bf4a","agenda_item_id":null,"speaker_id":"spk_100960_dan_kramer","speaker_confidence":0.9,"start_sec":2565.38,"end_sec":2567.48,"text":"In the park. Right.","topics_json":"[\"housing\"]","vector_id":"vec_seg_100960_131","created_at":"2026-10-31T08:16:53Z","speaker_name":"Dan Kramer"},{"id":"seg_100960_132","meeting_id":"100960","media_asset_id":"med_100960_08560546a3d9bf4a","agenda_item_id":null,"speaker_id":"spk_100960_chairman","speaker_confidence":0.9,"start_sec":2567.58,"end_sec":2570.58,"text":"And then, and then the RV is it removed or whatever?","topics_json":"[\"housing\"]","vector_id":"vec_seg_100960_132","created_at":"2026-10-31T08:16:53Z","speaker_name":null},{"id":"seg_100960_133","meeting_id":"100960","media_asset_id":"med_100960_08560546a3d9bf4a","agenda_item_id":null,"speaker_id":"spk_100960_dan_kramer","speaker_confidence":0.9,"start_sec":2570.78,"end_sec":2575.08,"text":"Well, no, no, that RV Yeah, they they would move and then move onto a","topics_json":"[\"housing\"]","vector_id":"vec_seg_100960_133","created_at":"2026-10-31T08:16:53Z","speaker_name":"Dan Kramer"},{"id":"seg_100960_134","meeting_id":"100960","media_asset_id":"med_100960_08560546a3d9bf4a","agenda_item_id":null,"speaker_id":"spk_100960_chairman","speaker_confidence":0.9,"start_sec":2575.18,"end_sec":2577.28,"text":"And another RV would take it?","topics_json":"[\"housing\"]","vector_id":"vec_seg_100960_134","created_at":"2026-10-31T08:16:53Z","speaker_name":null},{"id":"seg_100960_135","meeting_id":"100960","media_asset_id":"med_100960_08560546a3d9bf4a","agenda_item_id":null,"speaker_id":"spk_100960_dan_kramer","speaker_confidence":0.9,"start_sec":2577.38,"end_sec":2604.78,"text":"Right. I just want you to tell that there's there is and that's just since July 31st. And I've got four or five more. Almost every other day, we get calls for people looking for for this house. And so, again, what we're asking is to to permit the um additional four that we already had, to our knowledge are, to Freddie Mac's knowledge we're already, to, you know,","topics_json":"[\"housing\",\"zoning\",\"business\"]","vector_id":"vec_seg_100960_135","created_at":"2026-10-31T08:16:53Z","speaker_name":"Dan Kramer"},{"id":"seg_100960_136","meeting_id":"100960","media_asset_id":"med_100960_08560546a3d9bf4a","agenda_item_id":null,"speaker_id":"spk_100960_dan_kramer","speaker_confidence":0.9,"start_sec":2606.48,"end_sec":2617.98,"text":"again, if you look at our park, those are RV sites. If we don't get the variance in place, then we just lost out, and it's a taking","topics_json":"[\"housing\",\"zoning\"]","vector_id":"vec_seg_100960_136","created_at":"2026-10-31T08:16:53Z","speaker_name":"Dan Kramer"},{"id":"seg_100960_137","meeting_id":"100960","media_asset_id":"med_100960_08560546a3d9bf4a","agenda_item_id":null,"speaker_id":"spk_100960_chairman","speaker_confidence":0.9,"start_sec":2624.58,"end_sec":2627.78,"text":"Councilwoman Collins, you have any questions?","topics_json":"[]","vector_id":"vec_seg_100960_137","created_at":"2026-10-31T08:16:53Z","speaker_name":null},{"id":"seg_100960_138","meeting_id":"100960","media_asset_id":"med_100960_08560546a3d9bf4a","agenda_item_id":null,"speaker_id":"spk_100960_dan_kramer","speaker_confidence":0.8,"start_sec":2628.68,"end_sec":2629.48,"text":"Yes, please.","topics_json":"[]","vector_id":"vec_seg_100960_138","created_at":"2026-10-31T08:16:53Z","speaker_name":"Dan Kramer"},{"id":"seg_100960_139","meeting_id":"100960","media_asset_id":"med_100960_08560546a3d9bf4a","agenda_item_id":null,"speaker_id":"spk_100960_board_member","speaker_confidence":0.9,"start_sec":2631.08,"end_sec":2665.68,"text":"I remember I remember when we were considering the 17 lots to include those 17 lots, and it seemed that code enforcement had an issue. They were saying there were only 17 lots, and then Kings Cliffe was saying that there were 21 lots. Has that been resolved? And we are clear with that. I know you reported that because we you know, that there were 21 lots. Has that been resolved?","topics_json":"[\"housing\",\"zoning\"]","vector_id":"vec_seg_100960_139","created_at":"2026-10-31T08:16:53Z","speaker_name":null},{"id":"seg_100960_14","meeting_id":"100960","media_asset_id":"med_100960_08560546a3d9bf4a","agenda_item_id":null,"speaker_id":"spk_100960_city_clerk","speaker_confidence":1,"start_sec":199.31,"end_sec":199.78,"text":"Mr. Coburn?","topics_json":"[]","vector_id":"vec_seg_100960_14","created_at":"2026-10-31T08:16:53Z","speaker_name":"City Clerk"},{"id":"seg_100960_140","meeting_id":"100960","media_asset_id":"med_100960_08560546a3d9bf4a","agenda_item_id":null,"speaker_id":"spk_100960_dan_kramer","speaker_confidence":0.9,"start_sec":2666.68,"end_sec":2683.18,"text":"That's a good question, ma'am. Um we know we have 21 lots because but because of the connectivity connection, you can't put a manufactured home on that lot on those additional four lots, they don't have. So, we know we have 21.","topics_json":"[\"housing\",\"zoning\"]","vector_id":"vec_seg_100960_140","created_at":"2026-10-31T08:16:53Z","speaker_name":"Dan Kramer"},{"id":"seg_100960_141","meeting_id":"100960","media_asset_id":"med_100960_08560546a3d9bf4a","agenda_item_id":null,"speaker_id":"spk_100960_dan_kramer","speaker_confidence":0.9,"start_sec":2684.48,"end_sec":2702.38,"text":"Um when that question was posed at the June meeting to Officer Kopp, they asked him, um what are the other 21? He didn't know where they were. He wasn't","topics_json":"[\"zoning\"]","vector_id":"vec_seg_100960_141","created_at":"2026-10-31T08:16:53Z","speaker_name":"Dan Kramer"},{"id":"seg_100960_142","meeting_id":"100960","media_asset_id":"med_100960_08560546a3d9bf4a","agenda_item_id":null,"speaker_id":"spk_100960_applicant","speaker_confidence":0.85,"start_sec":2711.97,"end_sec":2795.17,"text":"keeping track of the homes. What we have shown you, and what we deferred to obviously prove and what the staff, um, amended on approval was that those are lots that RVs can go on, no other. So we're we provided a diagram that shows where the current 17 are, and then in yellow, the ones that we're asking for if so. Your question was has that been resolved? It wasn't an issue with us ever because we've always had 21. It was it was a question that was posed off the cuff. He couldn't explain why he said 17. He said 17 because, I think as I recall, there were 17 RVs on those lots at the time. And he didn't he didn't, um, opine on whether there were four vacant lots that he didn't count. So that that and I was I was, I wasn't here present, but I was listening. I was driving up to New York, so I was present virtually. But that that was my recollection as I read the the summary of the proceedings. That was his question, and it wasn't that he said there were only 17. He wasn't aware of the vacant ones.","topics_json":"[\"zoning\",\"housing\"]","vector_id":"vec_seg_100960_142","created_at":"2026-10-31T08:16:53Z","speaker_name":null},{"id":"seg_100960_143","meeting_id":"100960","media_asset_id":"med_100960_08560546a3d9bf4a","agenda_item_id":null,"speaker_id":"spk_100960_board_member","speaker_confidence":0.85,"start_sec":2795.17,"end_sec":2817.77,"text":"I think my my concern was that whether not that you didn't know, but that the city still did not know. Code enforcement for the city, has has the city considered that resolved? Can I ask that question?","topics_json":"[\"zoning\",\"housing\"]","vector_id":"vec_seg_100960_143","created_at":"2026-10-31T08:16:53Z","speaker_name":null},{"id":"seg_100960_144","meeting_id":"100960","media_asset_id":"med_100960_08560546a3d9bf4a","agenda_item_id":null,"speaker_id":"spk_100960_board_attorney","speaker_confidence":0.85,"start_sec":2822.97,"end_sec":3008.77,"text":"Maybe I can add some, um, clarity to what we're talking about, um, and and and walk through how we got here. So, back, I think it was 2021 actually, um, an applicant came, not before this board, before a hearing officer. And issue had to do with, notwithstanding the fact that according to the code, RVs are impermissible, so is, well, because it's been existing, because this like the property has been used in this manner for so long, um, should it be considered a permissible nonconforming use. And at that time, I'm afraid I don't recall certainly what that fraction out of it was. But we do know that the board concluded that the lots that were there, RVs was a permissible, nonconforming use. Meaning, although they didn't technically comply with the code, meaning they were nonconforming, they were permissible. So, that was the decision. And when the code violation back in September 2023 was filed, uh, the argument on Kings Cliffe's side was, hey, this issue has already been decided. Back in 2021, the hearing officer already concluded that although nonconforming to code, it's a permissible nonconforming use, so you can't now cite us for for continuing that. That went to court and that was back here that you have to exhaust these remedies. So then back in June, uh, my recollection is what happened was we had to go back and see what was before that 2021. What were they considering? And so we look at the record that was before them, and the record before that board showed 17 lots, um, and there were four lots that were presently being listed, but that those four lots were not being used. So then the question before this board, uh, in June was should the four new lots be granted the same existing nonconforming permissible use as the 17? And the decision of the board was it shouldn't. Because, you know, under the law, you cannot expand an existing nonconforming use. So to get permission, um, you can't expand. My recollection at that time was the suggestion was to go this route. Well, we can't just allow an existing nonconforming use to be expanded on its own as a matter of right. But you can seek a variance. I think that's why we're here today. So, that's that's my recollection of the situation.","topics_json":"[\"zoning\",\"housing\"]","vector_id":"vec_seg_100960_144","created_at":"2026-10-31T08:16:53Z","speaker_name":null},{"id":"seg_100960_145","meeting_id":"100960","media_asset_id":"med_100960_08560546a3d9bf4a","agenda_item_id":null,"speaker_id":"spk_100960_applicant","speaker_confidence":0.85,"start_sec":3010.47,"end_sec":3048.97,"text":"Can I can I ask one more question for um, just because I know we have you have a quorum and I know this gentleman has to excuse himself, but Mr. Holmes is not here. Um, I I know at the end there were discussions and I was, yeah, I was driving out to New York, so I was listening. But there were a number of people on the board who said, \"Come back,\" one or two who said, \"Come back, come back and apply for a variance.\" So, um, I'm just curious, was Mr. Holmes in favor of our coming back? Do you know who...","topics_json":"[\"zoning\"]","vector_id":"vec_seg_100960_145","created_at":"2026-10-31T08:16:53Z","speaker_name":null},{"id":"seg_100960_146","meeting_id":"100960","media_asset_id":"med_100960_08560546a3d9bf4a","agenda_item_id":null,"speaker_id":"spk_100960_board_member","speaker_confidence":0.85,"start_sec":3049.27,"end_sec":3056.57,"text":"Uh, that would be in the minutes from the last meeting, whatever his comments were, uh,","topics_json":"[\"zoning\"]","vector_id":"vec_seg_100960_146","created_at":"2026-10-31T08:16:53Z","speaker_name":null},{"id":"seg_100960_147","meeting_id":"100960","media_asset_id":"med_100960_08560546a3d9bf4a","agenda_item_id":null,"speaker_id":"spk_100960_applicant","speaker_confidence":0.85,"start_sec":3057.47,"end_sec":3072.97,"text":"The reason I ask that, I'd I'd hate for, if Mr. Holmes was in favor, although he's not present, I'd hate for us to lose a majority vote if if, in fact, he was in favor.","topics_json":"[\"zoning\"]","vector_id":"vec_seg_100960_147","created_at":"2026-10-31T08:16:53Z","speaker_name":null},{"id":"seg_100960_148","meeting_id":"100960","media_asset_id":"med_100960_08560546a3d9bf4a","agenda_item_id":null,"speaker_id":"spk_100960_board_attorney","speaker_confidence":0.85,"start_sec":3072.97,"end_sec":3086.77,"text":"It is not unheard of, um, when a full board is not present, uh, that one can request postponement of consideration of an application until the full board is present.","topics_json":"[\"zoning\"]","vector_id":"vec_seg_100960_148","created_at":"2026-10-31T08:16:53Z","speaker_name":null},{"id":"seg_100960_149","meeting_id":"100960","media_asset_id":"med_100960_08560546a3d9bf4a","agenda_item_id":null,"speaker_id":"spk_100960_applicant","speaker_confidence":0.85,"start_sec":3086.77,"end_sec":3100.97,"text":"Oh, we we obviously don't want to do that, Mr. Chairman, because we've been waiting since last September and we've got a list of people interested in moving into the home. 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I'm hoping that the board will rely on the staff.","topics_json":"[\"zoning\"]","vector_id":"vec_seg_100960_150","created_at":"2026-10-31T08:16:53Z","speaker_name":null},{"id":"seg_100960_151","meeting_id":"100960","media_asset_id":"med_100960_08560546a3d9bf4a","agenda_item_id":null,"speaker_id":"spk_100960_board_chairman","speaker_confidence":0.85,"start_sec":3129.97,"end_sec":3143.17,"text":"Well, we want to be fair. It's a democratic process. So, you might agree and disagree, but I want to come to a a conclusion.","topics_json":"[\"zoning\"]","vector_id":"vec_seg_100960_151","created_at":"2026-10-31T08:16:53Z","speaker_name":null},{"id":"seg_100960_152","meeting_id":"100960","media_asset_id":"med_100960_08560546a3d9bf4a","agenda_item_id":null,"speaker_id":"spk_100960_planning_staff","speaker_confidence":0.85,"start_sec":3143.47,"end_sec":3220.97,"text":"All right. This is Planning. This is Planning staff. Um, I have pulled up the June 17th Board of Adjustment, um, meeting minutes where the appeal, um, regarding the Kings Cliffe property was, um, was presented and voted upon. The ultimate vote, um, that established, uh, the 17, uh, legally nonconforming RV lots, um, was a vote of, there was one recusal and it was a vote of three to one. Mr. Holmes voted, um, your question, Mr. Holmes voted in favor of the motion, um, to establish that 17.","topics_json":"[\"zoning\",\"housing\"]","vector_id":"vec_seg_100960_152","created_at":"2026-10-31T08:16:53Z","speaker_name":null},{"id":"seg_100960_153","meeting_id":"100960","media_asset_id":"med_100960_08560546a3d9bf4a","agenda_item_id":null,"speaker_id":"spk_100960_planning_staff","speaker_confidence":0.85,"start_sec":3220.97,"end_sec":3276.97,"text":"So if that answers that initial question. He may have had other, um, statements during the meeting. It would take a little bit more, um, need to look here quickly. Mr. Holmes did make the statement that, um, that he voted in favor of the motion to limit it to 17 lots, and I'll read this, um, it's on page 15 of the minutes, uh, he believes that they, if they want to use the 21 lots, then they should be able to come back to the city to apply for the other four lots. So he made that statement as part of his, um, reasons for in voting the way he did.","topics_json":"[\"zoning\",\"housing\"]","vector_id":"vec_seg_100960_153","created_at":"2026-10-31T08:16:53Z","speaker_name":null},{"id":"seg_100960_154","meeting_id":"100960","media_asset_id":"med_100960_08560546a3d9bf4a","agenda_item_id":null,"speaker_id":"spk_100960_board_member","speaker_confidence":0.85,"start_sec":3276.97,"end_sec":3289.47,"text":"I have another question. Okay. Is there a statement that says why he said they should be able to come back? Was there any...","topics_json":"[\"zoning\"]","vector_id":"vec_seg_100960_154","created_at":"2026-10-31T08:16:53Z","speaker_name":null},{"id":"seg_100960_155","meeting_id":"100960","media_asset_id":"med_100960_08560546a3d9bf4a","agenda_item_id":null,"speaker_id":"spk_100960_planning_staff","speaker_confidence":0.85,"start_sec":3289.47,"end_sec":3314.77,"text":"What I what I just observed, uh, in the meeting minutes is what I read to you. Um, I that meeting was rather lengthy, um, and I believe there was conversation throughout the, uh, applicants and the, uh, the appellants and the city's presentation, so he may have also addressed that in earlier statements.","topics_json":"[\"zoning\"]","vector_id":"vec_seg_100960_155","created_at":"2026-10-31T08:16:53Z","speaker_name":null},{"id":"seg_100960_156","meeting_id":"100960","media_asset_id":"med_100960_08560546a3d9bf4a","agenda_item_id":null,"speaker_id":"spk_100960_board_member","speaker_confidence":0.85,"start_sec":3322.47,"end_sec":3323.97,"text":"Thank you.","topics_json":"[]","vector_id":"vec_seg_100960_156","created_at":"2026-10-31T08:16:53Z","speaker_name":null},{"id":"seg_100960_157","meeting_id":"100960","media_asset_id":"med_100960_08560546a3d9bf4a","agenda_item_id":null,"speaker_id":"spk_100960_planning_staff","speaker_confidence":0.85,"start_sec":3350.47,"end_sec":3366.97,"text":"Today, the board is considering this variance request that is specific to the property located at Kings Cliffe manufacture manufactured home park and is specific to the four, um, regarding the four RV lots.","topics_json":"[\"zoning\",\"housing\"]","vector_id":"vec_seg_100960_157","created_at":"2026-10-31T08:16:53Z","speaker_name":null},{"id":"seg_100960_158","meeting_id":"100960","media_asset_id":"med_100960_08560546a3d9bf4a","agenda_item_id":null,"speaker_id":"spk_100960_board_member","speaker_confidence":0.85,"start_sec":3385.97,"end_sec":3388.77,"text":"I have one more question.","topics_json":"[]","vector_id":"vec_seg_100960_158","created_at":"2026-10-31T08:16:53Z","speaker_name":null},{"id":"seg_100960_159","meeting_id":"100960","media_asset_id":"med_100960_08560546a3d9bf4a","agenda_item_id":null,"speaker_id":"spk_100960_board_chairman","speaker_confidence":0.85,"start_sec":3388.77,"end_sec":3389.97,"text":"Yes.","topics_json":"[]","vector_id":"vec_seg_100960_159","created_at":"2026-10-31T08:16:53Z","speaker_name":null},{"id":"seg_100960_16","meeting_id":"100960","media_asset_id":"med_100960_08560546a3d9bf4a","agenda_item_id":null,"speaker_id":"spk_100960_city_clerk","speaker_confidence":1,"start_sec":200.55,"end_sec":201.15,"text":"Mr. Senato?","topics_json":"[]","vector_id":"vec_seg_100960_16","created_at":"2026-10-31T08:16:53Z","speaker_name":"City Clerk"},{"id":"seg_100960_160","meeting_id":"100960","media_asset_id":"med_100960_08560546a3d9bf4a","agenda_item_id":null,"speaker_id":"spk_100960_board_member","speaker_confidence":0.85,"start_sec":3390.17,"end_sec":3422.77,"text":"At the time of your purchase of this land, the the ordinance was in place that you were not allowed to use was it stated that you were not allowed to use this lots, those four lots for...","topics_json":"[\"zoning\",\"housing\"]","vector_id":"vec_seg_100960_160","created_at":"2026-10-31T08:16:53Z","speaker_name":null},{"id":"seg_100960_161","meeting_id":"100960","media_asset_id":"med_100960_08560546a3d9bf4a","agenda_item_id":null,"speaker_id":"spk_100960_applicant","speaker_confidence":0.85,"start_sec":3422.77,"end_sec":3426.97,"text":"No, they were available to us for use and were inspected. We were...","topics_json":"[\"zoning\",\"housing\"]","vector_id":"vec_seg_100960_161","created_at":"2026-10-31T08:16:53Z","speaker_name":null},{"id":"seg_100960_162","meeting_id":"100960","media_asset_id":"med_100960_08560546a3d9bf4a","agenda_item_id":null,"speaker_id":"spk_100960_applicant","speaker_confidence":0.85,"start_sec":3426.97,"end_sec":3486.17,"text":"We were We did We purchased it, applied for a Fannie Mae funding loan that we had 21 RV lots. Obviously Fannie Mae and so that's what we relied on when we purchased, our family purchased the property, so and that was relying on on the decision that was made, I guess, in '21. It was a different a different board, but, um, Mr. Schaeffer, the attorney, brought brought that action to the board that City of Dover told him it wasn't permissible under some other ordinance, but that was not business. City of Dover agreed to that was to be adjudicated, so we had documentation that that year that allowed us to then apply for a loan from Fannie Mae that said there were 21 RVs, so so I hope that answers that.","topics_json":"[\"zoning\",\"housing\"]","vector_id":"vec_seg_100960_162","created_at":"2026-10-31T08:16:53Z","speaker_name":null},{"id":"seg_100960_163","meeting_id":"100960","media_asset_id":"med_100960_08560546a3d9bf4a","agenda_item_id":null,"speaker_id":"spk_100960_board_member","speaker_confidence":0.85,"start_sec":3486.17,"end_sec":3487.97,"text":"Thank you.","topics_json":"[]","vector_id":"vec_seg_100960_163","created_at":"2026-10-31T08:16:53Z","speaker_name":null},{"id":"seg_100960_164","meeting_id":"100960","media_asset_id":"med_100960_08560546a3d9bf4a","agenda_item_id":null,"speaker_id":"spk_100960_applicant","speaker_confidence":0.85,"start_sec":3487.97,"end_sec":3615.96,"text":"And one other thing, um, ma'am, you mentioned, you know, kind of RVs coming and going, things like that. But we our review that we make when someone wants to move into our park, whether it's, again, a manufactured home or an RV, we have very strict guidelines that we go through. Criminal background checks, we do sex offender checks, we do, um, financial checks to make sure that these people are going to be good residents in our community. And to the extent that they are, you know, need support from churches or whatever, we help them. Um, this past Saturday, we had an end-of-school picnic. We had the police department come, we had a whole litany of folks come because every year we give away backpacks to all the children in our park so they can start their school year. And and many of those are living in some of the RVs, so not just manufactured homes. We take this, um, responsibility very seriously. We could invest in other types of parks, but we elect as a family to invest in mobile home parks because it is the most affordable type of housing that exists in the United States. And, um, we think we've done a good job with bringing in good people, and, well, Mike has been in the park for 41 years. He's lived in the park for 41 years, and you haven't heard from him yet. But we have people who appreciate what we've done, what we're trying to do. That's important to us. And that's why staff has recommended, why I've asked this board to grant us the final four. And unfortunately, Mr. Holmes, who who suggested we come back and apply for the final four variances, because we're not asking for a code change, we're just asking for what we believe","topics_json":"[\"housing\",\"zoning\",\"public_safety\"]","vector_id":"vec_seg_100960_164","created_at":"2026-10-31T08:16:53Z","speaker_name":null},{"id":"seg_100960_165","meeting_id":"100960","media_asset_id":"med_100960_08560546a3d9bf4a","agenda_item_id":null,"speaker_id":"spk_100960_unknown_speaker","speaker_confidence":0.8,"start_sec":3615.95,"end_sec":3628.25,"text":"...cars, and that kind of provides more affordable housing single family, you know, single households. So I don't know whether you wanted to speak to them or have them...","topics_json":"[\"housing\",\"zoning\"]","vector_id":"vec_seg_100960_165","created_at":"2026-10-31T08:16:53Z","speaker_name":null},{"id":"seg_100960_166","meeting_id":"100960","media_asset_id":"med_100960_08560546a3d9bf4a","agenda_item_id":null,"speaker_id":"spk_100960_chair","speaker_confidence":0.85,"start_sec":3629.45,"end_sec":3633.45,"text":"Are you finished with your presentation?","topics_json":"[\"zoning\"]","vector_id":"vec_seg_100960_166","created_at":"2026-10-31T08:16:53Z","speaker_name":null},{"id":"seg_100960_167","meeting_id":"100960","media_asset_id":"med_100960_08560546a3d9bf4a","agenda_item_id":null,"speaker_id":"spk_100960_unknown_speaker","speaker_confidence":0.8,"start_sec":3633.85,"end_sec":3638.25,"text":"Sorry. So are you finished? If you'd like me to be, sir. I...","topics_json":"[\"zoning\"]","vector_id":"vec_seg_100960_167","created_at":"2026-10-31T08:16:53Z","speaker_name":null},{"id":"seg_100960_168","meeting_id":"100960","media_asset_id":"med_100960_08560546a3d9bf4a","agenda_item_id":null,"speaker_id":"spk_100960_chair","speaker_confidence":0.85,"start_sec":3638.35,"end_sec":3640.25,"text":"No, no, no, no, no, no, no.","topics_json":"[\"zoning\"]","vector_id":"vec_seg_100960_168","created_at":"2026-10-31T08:16:53Z","speaker_name":null},{"id":"seg_100960_169","meeting_id":"100960","media_asset_id":"med_100960_08560546a3d9bf4a","agenda_item_id":null,"speaker_id":"spk_100960_unknown_speaker","speaker_confidence":0.8,"start_sec":3640.35,"end_sec":3643.15,"text":"I'm passionate about it, but I just...","topics_json":"[\"zoning\"]","vector_id":"vec_seg_100960_169","created_at":"2026-10-31T08:16:53Z","speaker_name":null},{"id":"seg_100960_17","meeting_id":"100960","media_asset_id":"med_100960_08560546a3d9bf4a","agenda_item_id":null,"speaker_id":"spk_100960_richard_senato","speaker_confidence":1,"start_sec":201.28,"end_sec":201.86,"text":"Present.","topics_json":"[]","vector_id":"vec_seg_100960_17","created_at":"2026-10-31T08:16:53Z","speaker_name":"Richard Senato"},{"id":"seg_100960_170","meeting_id":"100960","media_asset_id":"med_100960_08560546a3d9bf4a","agenda_item_id":null,"speaker_id":"spk_100960_chair","speaker_confidence":0.85,"start_sec":3643.25,"end_sec":3645.45,"text":"And rightly so.","topics_json":"[\"zoning\"]","vector_id":"vec_seg_100960_170","created_at":"2026-10-31T08:16:53Z","speaker_name":null},{"id":"seg_100960_171","meeting_id":"100960","media_asset_id":"med_100960_08560546a3d9bf4a","agenda_item_id":null,"speaker_id":"spk_100960_unknown_speaker","speaker_confidence":0.8,"start_sec":3645.55,"end_sec":3648.05,"text":"Okay. Thank you, sir.","topics_json":"[\"zoning\"]","vector_id":"vec_seg_100960_171","created_at":"2026-10-31T08:16:53Z","speaker_name":null},{"id":"seg_100960_172","meeting_id":"100960","media_asset_id":"med_100960_08560546a3d9bf4a","agenda_item_id":null,"speaker_id":"spk_100960_mr_senato","speaker_confidence":0.85,"start_sec":3648.65,"end_sec":3669.65,"text":"Mr. Chair. Yes, sir, Mr. Wagner. I'm going to fall through. I thought the intent of our last meeting was to give these people an opportunity so 5 would be alright. I thought that's what 26-05 was all about.","topics_json":"[\"zoning\"]","vector_id":"vec_seg_100960_172","created_at":"2026-10-31T08:16:53Z","speaker_name":null},{"id":"seg_100960_173","meeting_id":"100960","media_asset_id":"med_100960_08560546a3d9bf4a","agenda_item_id":null,"speaker_id":"spk_100960_mr_senato","speaker_confidence":0.85,"start_sec":3669.75,"end_sec":3716.85,"text":"I also thought that the preparation by the staff was quite clear.","topics_json":"[\"zoning\"]","vector_id":"vec_seg_100960_173","created_at":"2026-10-31T08:16:53Z","speaker_name":null},{"id":"seg_100960_174","meeting_id":"100960","media_asset_id":"med_100960_08560546a3d9bf4a","agenda_item_id":null,"speaker_id":"spk_100960_mr_senato","speaker_confidence":0.8,"start_sec":3719.05,"end_sec":3728.45,"text":"I don't want to re- rehash, re- relitigate.","topics_json":"[\"zoning\"]","vector_id":"vec_seg_100960_174","created_at":"2026-10-31T08:16:53Z","speaker_name":null},{"id":"seg_100960_175","meeting_id":"100960","media_asset_id":"med_100960_08560546a3d9bf4a","agenda_item_id":null,"speaker_id":"spk_100960_mr_senato","speaker_confidence":0.8,"start_sec":3729.05,"end_sec":3744.65,"text":"I am highly more clear for what the staff is, 5 and that is that. I think that's why we're here. It's fair. I mean, all the stuff has been covered.","topics_json":"[\"zoning\"]","vector_id":"vec_seg_100960_175","created_at":"2026-10-31T08:16:53Z","speaker_name":null},{"id":"seg_100960_176","meeting_id":"100960","media_asset_id":"med_100960_08560546a3d9bf4a","agenda_item_id":null,"speaker_id":"spk_100960_mr_senato","speaker_confidence":0.8,"start_sec":3745.45,"end_sec":3748.75,"text":"I don't believe we need to go on any further.","topics_json":"[\"zoning\"]","vector_id":"vec_seg_100960_176","created_at":"2026-10-31T08:16:53Z","speaker_name":null},{"id":"seg_100960_177","meeting_id":"100960","media_asset_id":"med_100960_08560546a3d9bf4a","agenda_item_id":null,"speaker_id":"spk_100960_chair","speaker_confidence":0.85,"start_sec":3749.35,"end_sec":3759.85,"text":"Well, as you know, I've been on the board 28 years, and many things have come in front of the board.","topics_json":"[\"zoning\"]","vector_id":"vec_seg_100960_177","created_at":"2026-10-31T08:16:53Z","speaker_name":null},{"id":"seg_100960_178","meeting_id":"100960","media_asset_id":"med_100960_08560546a3d9bf4a","agenda_item_id":null,"speaker_id":"spk_100960_chair","speaker_confidence":0.85,"start_sec":3760.25,"end_sec":3774.25,"text":"And the one thing I believe in is for all the members of the BM, for sure, I want them to know, is regardless of what we have here and what's been pres- presented by the staff, which is excellent, excellent work from them,","topics_json":"[\"zoning\"]","vector_id":"vec_seg_100960_178","created_at":"2026-10-31T08:16:53Z","speaker_name":null},{"id":"seg_100960_179","meeting_id":"100960","media_asset_id":"med_100960_08560546a3d9bf4a","agenda_item_id":null,"speaker_id":"spk_100960_chair","speaker_confidence":0.85,"start_sec":3777.75,"end_sec":3789.75,"text":"each individual is going to vote on a particular issue dealing with the City of Dover and the impact it would have or the impact that it won't have.","topics_json":"[\"zoning\"]","vector_id":"vec_seg_100960_179","created_at":"2026-10-31T08:16:53Z","speaker_name":null},{"id":"seg_100960_18","meeting_id":"100960","media_asset_id":"med_100960_08560546a3d9bf4a","agenda_item_id":null,"speaker_id":"spk_100960_dawn_melson_williams","speaker_confidence":1,"start_sec":202.68,"end_sec":209.82,"text":"Uh Mr. Chair, having the roll call completed, you have four members of the Board of Adjustment present. That is a quorum to conduct business. I turn the meeting over to you.","topics_json":"[]","vector_id":"vec_seg_100960_18","created_at":"2026-10-31T08:16:53Z","speaker_name":"Dawn Melson-Williams"},{"id":"seg_100960_180","meeting_id":"100960","media_asset_id":"med_100960_08560546a3d9bf4a","agenda_item_id":null,"speaker_id":"spk_100960_chair","speaker_confidence":0.85,"start_sec":3790.05,"end_sec":3804.65,"text":"And this is an open-minded board, anyway, regardless of how another board feels, can ask pertinent questions for the applicants that come up here.","topics_json":"[\"zoning\"]","vector_id":"vec_seg_100960_180","created_at":"2026-10-31T08:16:53Z","speaker_name":null},{"id":"seg_100960_181","meeting_id":"100960","media_asset_id":"med_100960_08560546a3d9bf4a","agenda_item_id":null,"speaker_id":"spk_100960_chair","speaker_confidence":0.85,"start_sec":3805.15,"end_sec":3817.65,"text":"Even though we have a lot of information in front of us, even though somebody, sometimes the applications don't produce what's specific.","topics_json":"[\"zoning\"]","vector_id":"vec_seg_100960_181","created_at":"2026-10-31T08:16:53Z","speaker_name":null},{"id":"seg_100960_182","meeting_id":"100960","media_asset_id":"med_100960_08560546a3d9bf4a","agenda_item_id":null,"speaker_id":"spk_100960_chair","speaker_confidence":0.85,"start_sec":3818.05,"end_sec":3829.55,"text":"There are points that each one of us has to come up with, and this is what we've done today, and this board in the past has done it.","topics_json":"[\"zoning\"]","vector_id":"vec_seg_100960_182","created_at":"2026-10-31T08:16:53Z","speaker_name":null},{"id":"seg_100960_183","meeting_id":"100960","media_asset_id":"med_100960_08560546a3d9bf4a","agenda_item_id":null,"speaker_id":"spk_100960_chair","speaker_confidence":0.85,"start_sec":3829.75,"end_sec":3843.75,"text":"And thank you, the end result how each member feels, how each member in their own conscience votes and the reasons why.","topics_json":"[\"zoning\"]","vector_id":"vec_seg_100960_183","created_at":"2026-10-31T08:16:53Z","speaker_name":null},{"id":"seg_100960_184","meeting_id":"100960","media_asset_id":"med_100960_08560546a3d9bf4a","agenda_item_id":null,"speaker_id":"spk_100960_chair","speaker_confidence":0.85,"start_sec":3845.35,"end_sec":3848.75,"text":"Anything else, Mr. Chairman? No, thanks.","topics_json":"[\"zoning\"]","vector_id":"vec_seg_100960_184","created_at":"2026-10-31T08:16:53Z","speaker_name":null},{"id":"seg_100960_185","meeting_id":"100960","media_asset_id":"med_100960_08560546a3d9bf4a","agenda_item_id":null,"speaker_id":"spk_100960_chair","speaker_confidence":0.85,"start_sec":3850.25,"end_sec":3863.85,"text":"There being none, uh I think uh now we can open the uh public hearing. I'll open the public hearing on application V-26-05.","topics_json":"[\"zoning\"]","vector_id":"vec_seg_100960_185","created_at":"2026-10-31T08:16:53Z","speaker_name":null},{"id":"seg_100960_186","meeting_id":"100960","media_asset_id":"med_100960_08560546a3d9bf4a","agenda_item_id":null,"speaker_id":"spk_100960_chair","speaker_confidence":0.85,"start_sec":3867.15,"end_sec":3885.75,"text":"And ask for those in favor of the request to speak first and those against the request to speak second.","topics_json":"[\"zoning\"]","vector_id":"vec_seg_100960_186","created_at":"2026-10-31T08:16:53Z","speaker_name":null},{"id":"seg_100960_187","meeting_id":"100960","media_asset_id":"med_100960_08560546a3d9bf4a","agenda_item_id":null,"speaker_id":"spk_100960_dawn_melson_williams","speaker_confidence":0.9,"start_sec":3891.55,"end_sec":3914.65,"text":"All right. So, we are in the public hearing regarding this variance request. Um so the chair first is seeking um any members of the public in the room that wish to speak uh in favor of this uh variance request, yes, if they, there's an individual raising their hand if you want to move down to the podium.","topics_json":"[\"zoning\"]","vector_id":"vec_seg_100960_187","created_at":"2026-10-31T08:16:53Z","speaker_name":"Dawn Melson-Williams"},{"id":"seg_100960_188","meeting_id":"100960","media_asset_id":"med_100960_08560546a3d9bf4a","agenda_item_id":null,"speaker_id":"spk_100960_unknown_speaker","speaker_confidence":0.85,"start_sec":3926.75,"end_sec":3932.45,"text":"Good morning. Would you please state your full name and address for the record?","topics_json":"[\"zoning\"]","vector_id":"vec_seg_100960_188","created_at":"2026-10-31T08:16:53Z","speaker_name":null},{"id":"seg_100960_189","meeting_id":"100960","media_asset_id":"med_100960_08560546a3d9bf4a","agenda_item_id":null,"speaker_id":"spk_100960_sandy_morris","speaker_confidence":0.9,"start_sec":3933.75,"end_sec":3941.15,"text":"Sandy Morris, 711 South Bay Road, trailer 25, Dover, Delaware.","topics_json":"[\"zoning\"]","vector_id":"vec_seg_100960_189","created_at":"2026-10-31T08:16:53Z","speaker_name":"Sandy Morris"},{"id":"seg_100960_19","meeting_id":"100960","media_asset_id":"med_100960_08560546a3d9bf4a","agenda_item_id":null,"speaker_id":"spk_100960_richard_senato","speaker_confidence":1,"start_sec":210.33,"end_sec":214.34,"text":"Thank you. Can we all stand and say the pledge allegiance of the flag, please?","topics_json":"[]","vector_id":"vec_seg_100960_19","created_at":"2026-10-31T08:16:53Z","speaker_name":"Richard Senato"},{"id":"seg_100960_190","meeting_id":"100960","media_asset_id":"med_100960_08560546a3d9bf4a","agenda_item_id":null,"speaker_id":"spk_100960_unknown_speaker","speaker_confidence":0.85,"start_sec":3941.75,"end_sec":3949.55,"text":"Thank you, Ms. Morris. Do you swear or affirm that the testimony you give before the Board of Adjustment is the truth, the whole truth, and nothing but the truth so help you God?","topics_json":"[\"zoning\"]","vector_id":"vec_seg_100960_190","created_at":"2026-10-31T08:16:53Z","speaker_name":null},{"id":"seg_100960_191","meeting_id":"100960","media_asset_id":"med_100960_08560546a3d9bf4a","agenda_item_id":null,"speaker_id":"spk_100960_sandy_morris","speaker_confidence":0.9,"start_sec":3949.65,"end_sec":3950.75,"text":"I do.","topics_json":"[\"zoning\"]","vector_id":"vec_seg_100960_191","created_at":"2026-10-31T08:16:53Z","speaker_name":"Sandy Morris"},{"id":"seg_100960_192","meeting_id":"100960","media_asset_id":"med_100960_08560546a3d9bf4a","agenda_item_id":null,"speaker_id":"spk_100960_chair","speaker_confidence":0.85,"start_sec":3951.65,"end_sec":3958.25,"text":"I would want to say that we have this three-minute response section for public hearing.","topics_json":"[\"zoning\"]","vector_id":"vec_seg_100960_192","created_at":"2026-10-31T08:16:53Z","speaker_name":null},{"id":"seg_100960_193","meeting_id":"100960","media_asset_id":"med_100960_08560546a3d9bf4a","agenda_item_id":null,"speaker_id":"spk_100960_sandy_morris","speaker_confidence":0.9,"start_sec":3959.35,"end_sec":3969.35,"text":"I'm going to make this short and sweet. I'm a resident. I've been there for, oh, for about 19 years. Since June 2007,","topics_json":"[\"zoning\",\"housing\"]","vector_id":"vec_seg_100960_193","created_at":"2026-10-31T08:16:53Z","speaker_name":"Sandy Morris"},{"id":"seg_100960_194","meeting_id":"100960","media_asset_id":"med_100960_08560546a3d9bf4a","agenda_item_id":null,"speaker_id":"spk_100960_sandy_morris","speaker_confidence":0.9,"start_sec":3969.85,"end_sec":3983.55,"text":"my aunt, my brothers, my sisters all live in this community, and at 2007, all 21 lots RVs were there. 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So, I recommend, am asking, for favor for Kings Court for this","topics_json":"[\"zoning\",\"housing\"]","vector_id":"vec_seg_100960_197","created_at":"2026-10-31T08:16:53Z","speaker_name":"Sandy Morris"},{"id":"seg_100960_198","meeting_id":"100960","media_asset_id":"med_100960_08560546a3d9bf4a","agenda_item_id":null,"speaker_id":"spk_100960_sandy_morris","speaker_confidence":0.9,"start_sec":4009.05,"end_sec":4010.45,"text":"variance request.","topics_json":"[\"zoning\"]","vector_id":"vec_seg_100960_198","created_at":"2026-10-31T08:16:53Z","speaker_name":"Sandy Morris"},{"id":"seg_100960_199","meeting_id":"100960","media_asset_id":"med_100960_08560546a3d9bf4a","agenda_item_id":null,"speaker_id":"spk_100960_chair","speaker_confidence":0.85,"start_sec":4011.15,"end_sec":4014.85,"text":"Thank you, ma'am. All right, thanks. Appreciate your comments.","topics_json":"[\"zoning\"]","vector_id":"vec_seg_100960_199","created_at":"2026-10-31T08:16:53Z","speaker_name":null},{"id":"seg_100960_2","meeting_id":"100960","media_asset_id":"med_100960_08560546a3d9bf4a","agenda_item_id":null,"speaker_id":"spk_100960_dawn_melson_williams","speaker_confidence":1,"start_sec":16.04,"end_sec":23.76,"text":"I first want to uh note that we are conducting this meeting um in person in City Council Chambers and it is also being presented virtually using the Webex platform.","topics_json":"[]","vector_id":"vec_seg_100960_2","created_at":"2026-10-31T08:16:53Z","speaker_name":"Dawn Melson-Williams"},{"id":"seg_100960_20","meeting_id":"100960","media_asset_id":"med_100960_08560546a3d9bf4a","agenda_item_id":null,"speaker_id":"spk_100960_richard_senato","speaker_confidence":1,"start_sec":215.73,"end_sec":247.89,"text":"I pledge allegiance to the flag of the United States of America, and to the republic for which it stands, one nation under God, indivisible, with liberty and justice for all.","topics_json":"[]","vector_id":"vec_seg_100960_20","created_at":"2026-10-31T08:16:53Z","speaker_name":"Richard Senato"},{"id":"seg_100960_200","meeting_id":"100960","media_asset_id":"med_100960_08560546a3d9bf4a","agenda_item_id":null,"speaker_id":"spk_100960_chair","speaker_confidence":0.85,"start_sec":4017.65,"end_sec":4019.35,"text":"Anyone else?","topics_json":"[\"zoning\"]","vector_id":"vec_seg_100960_200","created_at":"2026-10-31T08:16:53Z","speaker_name":null},{"id":"seg_100960_201","meeting_id":"100960","media_asset_id":"med_100960_08560546a3d9bf4a","agenda_item_id":null,"speaker_id":"spk_100960_michael_fagan","speaker_confidence":0.9,"start_sec":4028.25,"end_sec":4043.25,"text":"Yes, sir. My name is Michael Fagan. I live at 731 South Bay Road, trailer 17. I've been there pretty close to 31 years now. Long as I've been there, it's been a well-spoken park.","topics_json":"[\"zoning\",\"housing\"]","vector_id":"vec_seg_100960_201","created_at":"2026-10-31T08:16:53Z","speaker_name":"Michael Fagan"},{"id":"seg_100960_202","meeting_id":"100960","media_asset_id":"med_100960_08560546a3d9bf4a","agenda_item_id":null,"speaker_id":"spk_100960_unknown_speaker","speaker_confidence":0.85,"start_sec":4044.05,"end_sec":4051.35,"text":"One second, sir. Do you swear or affirm that the testimony you give this morning before the Board of Adjustment is the truth, the whole truth, and nothing but the truth?","topics_json":"[\"zoning\"]","vector_id":"vec_seg_100960_202","created_at":"2026-10-31T08:16:53Z","speaker_name":null},{"id":"seg_100960_203","meeting_id":"100960","media_asset_id":"med_100960_08560546a3d9bf4a","agenda_item_id":null,"speaker_id":"spk_100960_michael_fagan","speaker_confidence":0.9,"start_sec":4051.45,"end_sec":4052.35,"text":"I do.","topics_json":"[\"zoning\"]","vector_id":"vec_seg_100960_203","created_at":"2026-10-31T08:16:53Z","speaker_name":"Michael Fagan"},{"id":"seg_100960_204","meeting_id":"100960","media_asset_id":"med_100960_08560546a3d9bf4a","agenda_item_id":null,"speaker_id":"spk_100960_michael_fagan","speaker_confidence":0.9,"start_sec":4053.45,"end_sec":4060.55,"text":"Like I say, I've been there for almost 31 years now. This is December. It's been a fairly well-run park.","topics_json":"[\"zoning\",\"housing\"]","vector_id":"vec_seg_100960_204","created_at":"2026-10-31T08:16:53Z","speaker_name":"Michael Fagan"},{"id":"seg_100960_205","meeting_id":"100960","media_asset_id":"med_100960_08560546a3d9bf4a","agenda_item_id":null,"speaker_id":"spk_100960_michael_fagan","speaker_confidence":0.85,"start_sec":4061.55,"end_sec":4085.65,"text":"As of late, had too many problems in there, and those four uh general lots always had RVs, stuff, trailers. I also agree that they should do that in because you can't put a mobile home on those particular lots. 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Uh likewise, there was no uh specific written correspondence received in regards to this application um that was received by the Planning Office.","topics_json":"[\"zoning\"]","vector_id":"vec_seg_100960_211","created_at":"2026-10-31T08:16:53Z","speaker_name":"Dawn Melson-Williams"},{"id":"seg_100960_212","meeting_id":"100960","media_asset_id":"med_100960_08560546a3d9bf4a","agenda_item_id":null,"speaker_id":"spk_100960_chair","speaker_confidence":0.85,"start_sec":4137.05,"end_sec":4142.35,"text":"Thank you. Public hearing is now closed.","topics_json":"[\"zoning\"]","vector_id":"vec_seg_100960_212","created_at":"2026-10-31T08:16:53Z","speaker_name":null},{"id":"seg_100960_213","meeting_id":"100960","media_asset_id":"med_100960_08560546a3d9bf4a","agenda_item_id":null,"speaker_id":"spk_100960_chair","speaker_confidence":0.85,"start_sec":4150.75,"end_sec":4153.35,"text":"Are there any additional questions from the board?","topics_json":"[\"zoning\"]","vector_id":"vec_seg_100960_213","created_at":"2026-10-31T08:16:53Z","speaker_name":null},{"id":"seg_100960_214","meeting_id":"100960","media_asset_id":"med_100960_08560546a3d9bf4a","agenda_item_id":null,"speaker_id":"spk_100960_chair","speaker_confidence":0.85,"start_sec":4163.35,"end_sec":4167.35,"text":"I now request a motion from the board.","topics_json":"[\"zoning\"]","vector_id":"vec_seg_100960_214","created_at":"2026-10-31T08:16:53Z","speaker_name":null},{"id":"seg_100960_215","meeting_id":"100960","media_asset_id":"med_100960_08560546a3d9bf4a","agenda_item_id":null,"speaker_id":"spk_100960_caroline_brinkley","speaker_confidence":0.9,"start_sec":4171.65,"end_sec":4187.15,"text":"I move, Caroline Brinkley, I move that we approve the variance requested to place recreational vehicles on the four remaining of the nine conforming RV sites. 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Reasons for that is that would be it would be a hardship to Kings Cliff. The explanations that the owner presented were were logical in my mind, and hopefully uh they will understand that will not set precedents. Each motion considered by this board is taken on a one-on-one basis.","topics_json":"[\"zoning\",\"business\"]","vector_id":"vec_seg_100960_224","created_at":"2026-10-31T08:16:53Z","speaker_name":null},{"id":"seg_100960_225","meeting_id":"100960","media_asset_id":"med_100960_08560546a3d9bf4a","agenda_item_id":null,"speaker_id":"spk_100960_dawn_melson_williams","speaker_confidence":0.9,"start_sec":4322.65,"end_sec":4335.75,"text":"So, Mr. Chair, I think um we need to formally record the votes of the other individuals um as well. Okay. 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Um and you have uh observed that there is no um one in the room wishing to do so, and I will note that there is no one online um other than staff uh that would also be uh looking to provide public comment. 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Um beginning with the Board of Adjustment members, uh to my right we have the board chair, Mr. Richard Senato.","topics_json":"[]","vector_id":"vec_seg_100960_3","created_at":"2026-10-31T08:16:53Z","speaker_name":"Dawn Melson-Williams"},{"id":"seg_100960_30","meeting_id":"100960","media_asset_id":"med_100960_08560546a3d9bf4a","agenda_item_id":null,"speaker_id":"spk_100960_richard_senato","speaker_confidence":1,"start_sec":312.5,"end_sec":324.77,"text":"Any any uh are there any uh addition to change it? 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Being none, it's accepted.","topics_json":"[]","vector_id":"vec_seg_100960_39","created_at":"2026-10-31T08:16:53Z","speaker_name":"Richard Senato"},{"id":"seg_100960_4","meeting_id":"100960","media_asset_id":"med_100960_08560546a3d9bf4a","agenda_item_id":null,"speaker_id":"spk_100960_dawn_melson_williams","speaker_confidence":1,"start_sec":34.47,"end_sec":70.96,"text":"Here on the floor, moving from my immediate left, is Ron Coburn, who serves as the vice chair. Uh Ms. Carolyn Brinkley. Um Mr. Holmes is uh not here with us today. Uh hence, the vacant seat there. 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This is uh Dawn with the planning office. Um as as noted, I wanted to formally introduce you to uh Chris Galzano, who has uh joined um the planning office as a planner II. Um this is his first meeting back with you all. Um he was previously a member of our staff um about a year ago. Uh so uh welcome back to Chris and you'll be hearing from him later today. Uh that's the only item I have from staff.","topics_json":"[]","vector_id":"vec_seg_100960_42","created_at":"2026-10-31T08:16:53Z","speaker_name":"Dawn Melson-Williams"},{"id":"seg_100960_43","meeting_id":"100960","media_asset_id":"med_100960_08560546a3d9bf4a","agenda_item_id":null,"speaker_id":"spk_100960_dawn_melson_williams","speaker_confidence":1,"start_sec":433.27,"end_sec":444.29,"text":"Uh your Board of Adjustment meeting for September, I would note that uh currently there are not any new agenda items uh in the form of applications, um but we shall see what uh transpires if there needs to be a meeting um held in September.","topics_json":"[]","vector_id":"vec_seg_100960_43","created_at":"2026-10-31T08:16:53Z","speaker_name":"Dawn Melson-Williams"},{"id":"seg_100960_44","meeting_id":"100960","media_asset_id":"med_100960_08560546a3d9bf4a","agenda_item_id":null,"speaker_id":"spk_100960_richard_senato","speaker_confidence":1,"start_sec":445.5,"end_sec":449.21,"text":"Thank you. Is there any old business to be conducted at this time?","topics_json":"[]","vector_id":"vec_seg_100960_44","created_at":"2026-10-31T08:16:53Z","speaker_name":"Richard Senato"},{"id":"seg_100960_45","meeting_id":"100960","media_asset_id":"med_100960_08560546a3d9bf4a","agenda_item_id":null,"speaker_id":"spk_100960_richard_senato","speaker_confidence":1,"start_sec":450.38,"end_sec":453.18,"text":"Being none, we'll move on to the new business.","topics_json":"[]","vector_id":"vec_seg_100960_45","created_at":"2026-10-31T08:16:53Z","speaker_name":"Richard Senato"},{"id":"seg_100960_46","meeting_id":"100960","media_asset_id":"med_100960_08560546a3d9bf4a","agenda_item_id":null,"speaker_id":"spk_100960_richard_senato","speaker_confidence":1,"start_sec":455.23,"end_sec":482.8,"text":"I'd ask the uh planning staff uh uh speak to item number one on new business.","topics_json":"[]","vector_id":"vec_seg_100960_46","created_at":"2026-10-31T08:16:53Z","speaker_name":"Richard Senato"},{"id":"seg_100960_47","meeting_id":"100960","media_asset_id":"med_100960_08560546a3d9bf4a","agenda_item_id":null,"speaker_id":"spk_100960_dawn_melson_williams","speaker_confidence":1,"start_sec":483.42,"end_sec":512,"text":"Uh thank you, Mr. Chair. Again, this is Dawn with the planning office. Uh the meeting today is being conducted in accordance with the agenda as you amended this morning. Um there is one variance application on the agenda under here under new business for consideration. Uh the application file will be referenced by title and then a summary presented by uh a member of the planning staff. Uh then an opportunity will be given to the applicant uh to present and then uh we will open the floor for questions of the applicant from the board.","topics_json":"[\"zoning\"]","vector_id":"vec_seg_100960_47","created_at":"2026-10-31T08:16:53Z","speaker_name":"Dawn Melson-Williams"},{"id":"seg_100960_48","meeting_id":"100960","media_asset_id":"med_100960_08560546a3d9bf4a","agenda_item_id":null,"speaker_id":"spk_100960_dawn_melson_williams","speaker_confidence":1,"start_sec":512.35,"end_sec":549.27,"text":"Um after those initial questions, then a public hearing will be open for public testimony on this particular application. Uh if you're a member of the public and wish to speak during that um public hearing on the application, we ask that you raise your hand um and when the chair calls on you, uh you may step down to the podium uh and um please sign in, I believe there's a sign-in sheet there. Um for the record, we will need your name and address and we'll also uh like to know if you own property within 200 ft uh in which case you would have received a mailed notice of the meeting um this morning.","topics_json":"[]","vector_id":"vec_seg_100960_48","created_at":"2026-10-31T08:16:53Z","speaker_name":"Dawn Melson-Williams"},{"id":"seg_100960_49","meeting_id":"100960","media_asset_id":"med_100960_08560546a3d9bf4a","agenda_item_id":null,"speaker_id":"spk_100960_dawn_melson_williams","speaker_confidence":1,"start_sec":549.77,"end_sec":570.1,"text":"If any members uh of the public join us online, we will also provide them an opportunity to speak. Uh in making your statement, we ask that you be as brief as possible and that your statements are limited to the application that is before the Board of Adjustment this morning. Uh the board has uh the city solicitor here, with whom they may consult on legal matters. Uh","topics_json":"[]","vector_id":"vec_seg_100960_49","created_at":"2026-10-31T08:16:53Z","speaker_name":"Dawn Melson-Williams"},{"id":"seg_100960_5","meeting_id":"100960","media_asset_id":"med_100960_08560546a3d9bf4a","agenda_item_id":null,"speaker_id":"spk_100960_dawn_melson_williams","speaker_confidence":1,"start_sec":71.84,"end_sec":93.76,"text":"Uh staff that is present in the room includes uh myself, I'm Dawn Melson-Williams, the principal planner for the city's planning office. Uh behind me is Miranda Pernell, who serves as the secretary to the board, and legal counsel for the board is the city solicitor, uh Dan Griffith, to my far right. Additionally, we have other members of the planning staff that includes uh Chris Galzano, who's joined our office as a planner II, uh and Alex Dewey, who is a planner I, uh who is assisting with the presentation uh that uh this morning.","topics_json":"[]","vector_id":"vec_seg_100960_5","created_at":"2026-10-31T08:16:53Z","speaker_name":"Dawn Melson-Williams"},{"id":"seg_100960_50","meeting_id":"100960","media_asset_id":"med_100960_08560546a3d9bf4a","agenda_item_id":null,"speaker_id":"spk_100960_dawn_melson_williams","speaker_confidence":1,"start_sec":570.35,"end_sec":616.73,"text":"just to know if the applicant or members of the public must leave um the meeting early, then you can contact the planning office um at [contact removed] to learn of the board's decision. Uh there will be a formal notice of decision that will be prepared and uh sent to the applicants. Uh it is noted that approved variances expire after 1 year if the approved uh project or activity has not commenced.","topics_json":"[\"zoning\"]","vector_id":"vec_seg_100960_50","created_at":"2026-10-31T08:16:53Z","speaker_name":"Dawn Melson-Williams"},{"id":"seg_100960_51","meeting_id":"100960","media_asset_id":"med_100960_08560546a3d9bf4a","agenda_item_id":null,"speaker_id":"spk_100960_dawn_melson_williams","speaker_confidence":1,"start_sec":617.07,"end_sec":629.94,"text":"All public notice for the item on this agenda was completed in accordance with the city's code requirements and will be noted specifically with that item. The meeting agenda for today was posted on um August 12th in accordance with the Freedom of Information Act requirements. Mr. Chair.","topics_json":"[]","vector_id":"vec_seg_100960_51","created_at":"2026-10-31T08:16:53Z","speaker_name":"Dawn Melson-Williams"},{"id":"seg_100960_52","meeting_id":"100960","media_asset_id":"med_100960_08560546a3d9bf4a","agenda_item_id":null,"speaker_id":"spk_100960_richard_senato","speaker_confidence":1,"start_sec":630.5,"end_sec":631.47,"text":"Thank you, ma'am.","topics_json":"[]","vector_id":"vec_seg_100960_52","created_at":"2026-10-31T08:16:53Z","speaker_name":"Richard Senato"},{"id":"seg_100960_53","meeting_id":"100960","media_asset_id":"med_100960_08560546a3d9bf4a","agenda_item_id":null,"speaker_id":"spk_100960_richard_senato","speaker_confidence":1,"start_sec":631.64,"end_sec":666.75,"text":"We have uh the application V-20-05, Kings Cliffe Manufactured Home Park RV, increasing the RV lots variance request.","topics_json":"[\"zoning\",\"housing\"]","vector_id":"vec_seg_100960_53","created_at":"2026-10-31T08:16:53Z","speaker_name":"Richard Senato"},{"id":"seg_100960_54","meeting_id":"100960","media_asset_id":"med_100960_08560546a3d9bf4a","agenda_item_id":null,"speaker_id":"spk_100960_richard_senato","speaker_confidence":1,"start_sec":667.89,"end_sec":674.68,"text":"Is there any conflict of interest amongst the members? Mr. Coburn?","topics_json":"[]","vector_id":"vec_seg_100960_54","created_at":"2026-10-31T08:16:53Z","speaker_name":"Richard Senato"},{"id":"seg_100960_55","meeting_id":"100960","media_asset_id":"med_100960_08560546a3d9bf4a","agenda_item_id":null,"speaker_id":"spk_100960_ron_coburn","speaker_confidence":1,"start_sec":675.3,"end_sec":685.17,"text":"Yes. Being that I was the code enforcement supervisor for this RV situation down at Kings Cliff, initiated, I feel that like that I should be recused, so I will recuse myself.","topics_json":"[\"zoning\"]","vector_id":"vec_seg_100960_55","created_at":"2026-10-31T08:16:53Z","speaker_name":"Ron Coburn"},{"id":"seg_100960_56","meeting_id":"100960","media_asset_id":"med_100960_08560546a3d9bf4a","agenda_item_id":null,"speaker_id":"spk_100960_richard_senato","speaker_confidence":1,"start_sec":685.64,"end_sec":689.7,"text":"I I appreciate your statement, and uh I I point you leave the meeting.","topics_json":"[]","vector_id":"vec_seg_100960_56","created_at":"2026-10-31T08:16:53Z","speaker_name":"Richard Senato"},{"id":"seg_100960_57","meeting_id":"100960","media_asset_id":"med_100960_08560546a3d9bf4a","agenda_item_id":null,"speaker_id":"spk_100960_dawn_melson_williams","speaker_confidence":1,"start_sec":695.93,"end_sec":728.72,"text":"Um so moving to begin going ahead and um beginning with this application, V-20-05, uh Kings Cliffe Manufactured Home Park, um the RV lots uh variance request.","topics_json":"[\"zoning\",\"housing\"]","vector_id":"vec_seg_100960_57","created_at":"2026-10-31T08:16:53Z","speaker_name":"Dawn Melson-Williams"},{"id":"seg_100960_58","meeting_id":"100960","media_asset_id":"med_100960_08560546a3d9bf4a","agenda_item_id":null,"speaker_id":"spk_100960_dawn_melson_williams","speaker_confidence":1,"start_sec":729.68,"end_sec":785.68,"text":"Uh just to to know, the legal notice for this application was published in the Daily State News on August 7th, and the property owners um within 200 ft of the subject site, uh so beyond the boundaries of the park, uh were notified by letter sent by the planning office in accordance with the established procedures for public notice. I would note that um for the record, the summary presentation that we're about to give along with the summary report, including the list of exhibits 1 through 4, and the applicant's exhibits A through D are entered for the record. Um we will now have a member of the planning staff uh summarize this variance request um and then um seek information from the applicant.","topics_json":"[\"zoning\",\"housing\"]","vector_id":"vec_seg_100960_58","created_at":"2026-10-31T08:16:53Z","speaker_name":"Dawn Melson-Williams"},{"id":"seg_100960_59","meeting_id":"100960","media_asset_id":"med_100960_08560546a3d9bf4a","agenda_item_id":null,"speaker_id":"spk_100960_dawn_melson_williams","speaker_confidence":1,"start_sec":789.41,"end_sec":790.02,"text":"So, Chris, you can start.","topics_json":"[]","vector_id":"vec_seg_100960_59","created_at":"2026-10-31T08:16:53Z","speaker_name":"Dawn Melson-Williams"},{"id":"seg_100960_6","meeting_id":"100960","media_asset_id":"med_100960_08560546a3d9bf4a","agenda_item_id":null,"speaker_id":"spk_100960_dawn_melson_williams","speaker_confidence":1,"start_sec":94.05,"end_sec":138.84,"text":"Uh so welcome. Thank you for joining this meeting of the Board of Adjustment. Um as noted, we're here in City Council Chambers and presented using the Webex audio. Uh so if there are any members that or members of the public that join us, uh that information for how to join online or by phone was presented on the agenda for this meeting, as posted on the city's website at www.cityofdover.gov under the city meetings calendar.","topics_json":"[]","vector_id":"vec_seg_100960_6","created_at":"2026-10-31T08:16:53Z","speaker_name":"Dawn Melson-Williams"},{"id":"seg_100960_60","meeting_id":"100960","media_asset_id":"med_100960_08560546a3d9bf4a","agenda_item_id":null,"speaker_id":"spk_100960_bud_wagner","speaker_confidence":1,"start_sec":790.09,"end_sec":790.92,"text":"Question.","topics_json":"[]","vector_id":"vec_seg_100960_60","created_at":"2026-10-31T08:16:53Z","speaker_name":"Bud Wagner"},{"id":"seg_100960_61","meeting_id":"100960","media_asset_id":"med_100960_08560546a3d9bf4a","agenda_item_id":null,"speaker_id":"spk_100960_richard_senato","speaker_confidence":1,"start_sec":791.77,"end_sec":792.65,"text":"Uh yes, Mr. Wagner.","topics_json":"[]","vector_id":"vec_seg_100960_61","created_at":"2026-10-31T08:16:53Z","speaker_name":"Richard Senato"},{"id":"seg_100960_62","meeting_id":"100960","media_asset_id":"med_100960_08560546a3d9bf4a","agenda_item_id":null,"speaker_id":"spk_100960_bud_wagner","speaker_confidence":1,"start_sec":792.87,"end_sec":793.92,"text":"Do we have enough for a quorum?","topics_json":"[]","vector_id":"vec_seg_100960_62","created_at":"2026-10-31T08:16:53Z","speaker_name":"Bud Wagner"},{"id":"seg_100960_63","meeting_id":"100960","media_asset_id":"med_100960_08560546a3d9bf4a","agenda_item_id":null,"speaker_id":"spk_100960_richard_senato","speaker_confidence":1,"start_sec":794.39,"end_sec":794.79,"text":"Sorry?","topics_json":"[]","vector_id":"vec_seg_100960_63","created_at":"2026-10-31T08:16:53Z","speaker_name":"Richard Senato"},{"id":"seg_100960_64","meeting_id":"100960","media_asset_id":"med_100960_08560546a3d9bf4a","agenda_item_id":null,"speaker_id":"spk_100960_bud_wagner","speaker_confidence":1,"start_sec":794.9,"end_sec":796.29,"text":"Do we have a quorum present?","topics_json":"[]","vector_id":"vec_seg_100960_64","created_at":"2026-10-31T08:16:53Z","speaker_name":"Bud Wagner"},{"id":"seg_100960_65","meeting_id":"100960","media_asset_id":"med_100960_08560546a3d9bf4a","agenda_item_id":null,"speaker_id":"spk_100960_richard_senato","speaker_confidence":1,"start_sec":796.46,"end_sec":802.91,"text":"We do have a quorum present, sir. The minimum quorum is three. Yeah, yes, four.","topics_json":"[]","vector_id":"vec_seg_100960_65","created_at":"2026-10-31T08:16:53Z","speaker_name":"Richard Senato"},{"id":"seg_100960_66","meeting_id":"100960","media_asset_id":"med_100960_08560546a3d9bf4a","agenda_item_id":null,"speaker_id":"spk_100960_chris_galzano","speaker_confidence":1,"start_sec":805.36,"end_sec":813.65,"text":"All right, Mr. Chair and members of the board, before you today is an application for a use variance, V-20-05, for the Kings Cliffe Manufactured Home Park requesting to have additional RV parking.","topics_json":"[\"zoning\",\"housing\"]","vector_id":"vec_seg_100960_66","created_at":"2026-10-31T08:16:53Z","speaker_name":"Chris Galzano"},{"id":"seg_100960_67","meeting_id":"100960","media_asset_id":"med_100960_08560546a3d9bf4a","agenda_item_id":null,"speaker_id":"spk_100960_chris_galzano","speaker_confidence":1,"start_sec":813.94,"end_sec":853.56,"text":"The Kings Cliffe Manufactured Home Park is located just north of the Dover Air Force Base. It's uh its office's address as 1131 South Bay Road. Property is zoned MH and is partially subject to the AEOD noise zone A. All areas of this variance request are not subject to the airport enviro- zone.","topics_json":"[\"zoning\",\"housing\"]","vector_id":"vec_seg_100960_67","created_at":"2026-10-31T08:16:53Z","speaker_name":"Chris Galzano"},{"id":"seg_100960_68","meeting_id":"100960","media_asset_id":"med_100960_08560546a3d9bf4a","agenda_item_id":null,"speaker_id":"spk_100960_chris_galzano","speaker_confidence":1,"start_sec":853.86,"end_sec":865.35,"text":"This use variance is requesting to increase currently allowed number of recreational vehicle lots, spaces, on the property from the number granted by appeal, V-20-03 to 17 spaces, to 21, the request in this application, that had been historically used on the property.","topics_json":"[\"zoning\",\"housing\"]","vector_id":"vec_seg_100960_68","created_at":"2026-10-31T08:16:53Z","speaker_name":"Chris Galzano"},{"id":"seg_100960_69","meeting_id":"100960","media_asset_id":"med_100960_08560546a3d9bf4a","agenda_item_id":null,"speaker_id":"spk_100960_chris_galzano","speaker_confidence":1,"start_sec":865.73,"end_sec":872.72,"text":"Remind the board that this is a use variance, um thus there are some criteria that need to be met by the board and by the applicant in order to grant this variance.","topics_json":"[\"zoning\"]","vector_id":"vec_seg_100960_69","created_at":"2026-10-31T08:16:53Z","speaker_name":"Chris Galzano"},{"id":"seg_100960_7","meeting_id":"100960","media_asset_id":"med_100960_08560546a3d9bf4a","agenda_item_id":null,"speaker_id":"spk_100960_dawn_melson_williams","speaker_confidence":1,"start_sec":139.19,"end_sec":183.44,"text":"Uh if anyone has difficulty or questions uh about the meeting, we ask that you call the planning office at [contact removed]. Uh if any individuals join us online, um we will provide guidance and how to participate in the public hearing and or the public general public comment period. Um In the case of any written correspondence, we'll also identify that as part of the meeting proceedings.","topics_json":"[]","vector_id":"vec_seg_100960_7","created_at":"2026-10-31T08:16:53Z","speaker_name":"Dawn Melson-Williams"},{"id":"seg_100960_70","meeting_id":"100960","media_asset_id":"med_100960_08560546a3d9bf4a","agenda_item_id":null,"speaker_id":"spk_100960_chris_galzano","speaker_confidence":1,"start_sec":873.08,"end_sec":903.99,"text":"Those include that there are a physical- that there are physical conditions of line of land that are peculiar to the land and not the result of the actions of the applicant or one of their predecessors.","topics_json":"[\"zoning\"]","vector_id":"vec_seg_100960_70","created_at":"2026-10-31T08:16:53Z","speaker_name":"Chris Galzano"},{"id":"seg_100960_71","meeting_id":"100960","media_asset_id":"med_100960_08560546a3d9bf4a","agenda_item_id":null,"speaker_id":"spk_100960_city_staff","speaker_confidence":0.9,"start_sec":903.99,"end_sec":931.96,"text":"circumstances are such that strict application of the code will deprive the applicant of all reasonable use of the land or building for which the variances are requested and that the variance requested is the minimum uh to utilize the land, and that granting the variances will not represent substantial departure from the intent of code, will not be injurious to the neighborhood, change the neighborhood character, or be detrimental to the public welfare. The applicant has provided responses beginning on page 12 of your packet, and staff has responded below to each point as well. Staff has come to the conclusion that this proposal would meet the criteria and does recommend approval of the variances. Thank you.","topics_json":"[\"zoning\",\"housing\"]","vector_id":"vec_seg_100960_71","created_at":"2026-10-31T08:16:53Z","speaker_name":null},{"id":"seg_100960_72","meeting_id":"100960","media_asset_id":"med_100960_08560546a3d9bf4a","agenda_item_id":null,"speaker_id":"spk_100960_dawn_melson_williams","speaker_confidence":0.95,"start_sec":964.44,"end_sec":991.32,"text":"So, Mr. Chair, that's the summary of the um the report on this request for the RV uh lot variances to add the four um RV lots to th- to this location. Uh we did note that the previous appeal heard several months ago authorized the 17 recreational vehicle sites um on the property, and they are uh before you today requesting the additional four. At this point in time, you can um hear from the applicant and they can further detail their request before you this morning.","topics_json":"[\"zoning\",\"housing\"]","vector_id":"vec_seg_100960_72","created_at":"2026-10-31T08:16:53Z","speaker_name":"Dawn Melson-Williams"},{"id":"seg_100960_73","meeting_id":"100960","media_asset_id":"med_100960_08560546a3d9bf4a","agenda_item_id":null,"speaker_id":"spk_100960_chairman_keller","speaker_confidence":0.9,"start_sec":992.1,"end_sec":995.41,"text":"The applicant, please, come to the podium. State your name and address.","topics_json":"[\"zoning\"]","vector_id":"vec_seg_100960_73","created_at":"2026-10-31T08:16:53Z","speaker_name":null},{"id":"seg_100960_74","meeting_id":"100960","media_asset_id":"med_100960_08560546a3d9bf4a","agenda_item_id":null,"speaker_id":"spk_100960_robert_schu","speaker_confidence":0.95,"start_sec":997.1,"end_sec":1026.69,"text":"Good morning. My name is Robert Schu and I uh we own Kings Court Mobile Home Park.","topics_json":"[\"housing\"]","vector_id":"vec_seg_100960_74","created_at":"2026-10-31T08:16:53Z","speaker_name":"Robert Schu"},{"id":"seg_100960_75","meeting_id":"100960","media_asset_id":"med_100960_08560546a3d9bf4a","agenda_item_id":null,"speaker_id":"spk_100960_chairman_keller","speaker_confidence":0.9,"start_sec":1026.75,"end_sec":1034.21,"text":"Mr. Schu, can we swear you in please? Just one second. Raise your right hand. In this proceeding before the Board of Adjustment, do you swear to tell the truth, the whole truth, and nothing but the truth?","topics_json":"[]","vector_id":"vec_seg_100960_75","created_at":"2026-10-31T08:16:53Z","speaker_name":null},{"id":"seg_100960_76","meeting_id":"100960","media_asset_id":"med_100960_08560546a3d9bf4a","agenda_item_id":null,"speaker_id":"spk_100960_robert_schu","speaker_confidence":0.95,"start_sec":1034.27,"end_sec":1034.81,"text":"I do.","topics_json":"[]","vector_id":"vec_seg_100960_76","created_at":"2026-10-31T08:16:53Z","speaker_name":"Robert Schu"},{"id":"seg_100960_77","meeting_id":"100960","media_asset_id":"med_100960_08560546a3d9bf4a","agenda_item_id":null,"speaker_id":"spk_100960_chairman_keller","speaker_confidence":0.9,"start_sec":1034.87,"end_sec":1035.71,"text":"Thank you, sir. You may proceed.","topics_json":"[]","vector_id":"vec_seg_100960_77","created_at":"2026-10-31T08:16:53Z","speaker_name":null},{"id":"seg_100960_78","meeting_id":"100960","media_asset_id":"med_100960_08560546a3d9bf4a","agenda_item_id":null,"speaker_id":"spk_100960_robert_schu","speaker_confidence":0.95,"start_sec":1035.83,"end_sec":1105.36,"text":"Again, my name is Robert Schu and family owns Kings Court Mobile Home Park. I'd like to introduce family that's here today: my wife, Mary; my son, Graham; my other son, Corey, not flying today, so he's he's not on call. We also have our park manager who's here, who was here back in June when we normally were granted the 17 variances, along with two of our residents flying here today. We're here to speak today. Um I'd like to thank the board for your decision in June, 17th uh meeting where we approved the variances for 17, and like to thank the staff this afternoon's discussion helping secure the additional four uh lots. Done rather than reading through some of the questions and answers of that report, if there's any questions that I'll uh, but based on what I put in you see back on the staff, their recommendation to allow the four, which are not injurious, change um the requested uh just some of the area's proportions. So, any questions?","topics_json":"[\"housing\",\"zoning\"]","vector_id":"vec_seg_100960_78","created_at":"2026-10-31T08:16:53Z","speaker_name":"Robert Schu"},{"id":"seg_100960_79","meeting_id":"100960","media_asset_id":"med_100960_08560546a3d9bf4a","agenda_item_id":null,"speaker_id":"spk_100960_chairman_keller","speaker_confidence":0.9,"start_sec":1105.42,"end_sec":1106.98,"text":"Any questions from the board members to the applicant?","topics_json":"[\"zoning\"]","vector_id":"vec_seg_100960_79","created_at":"2026-10-31T08:16:53Z","speaker_name":null},{"id":"seg_100960_8","meeting_id":"100960","media_asset_id":"med_100960_08560546a3d9bf4a","agenda_item_id":null,"speaker_id":"spk_100960_dawn_melson_williams","speaker_confidence":1,"start_sec":184.57,"end_sec":192.49,"text":"Uh with that, I will um ask that the secretary complete the formal roll call to determine attendance and so that we make the firm that a quorum is present.","topics_json":"[]","vector_id":"vec_seg_100960_8","created_at":"2026-10-31T08:16:53Z","speaker_name":"Dawn Melson-Williams"},{"id":"seg_100960_80","meeting_id":"100960","media_asset_id":"med_100960_08560546a3d9bf4a","agenda_item_id":null,"speaker_id":"spk_100960_board_member","speaker_confidence":0.85,"start_sec":1109.87,"end_sec":1154.62,"text":"Question, Chairman Keller. The RV rentals, excuse me, are they uh long-term rentals or is or are or are they just rental for 6 months period? Because I remember reading something in code about a 6 month rental period for the RVs, or was I...","topics_json":"[\"housing\",\"zoning\"]","vector_id":"vec_seg_100960_80","created_at":"2026-10-31T08:16:53Z","speaker_name":null},{"id":"seg_100960_81","meeting_id":"100960","media_asset_id":"med_100960_08560546a3d9bf4a","agenda_item_id":null,"speaker_id":"spk_100960_robert_schu","speaker_confidence":0.95,"start_sec":1154.98,"end_sec":1159.73,"text":"I think the code is not 6 months, but I defer to the city attorney here who will opine on that.","topics_json":"[\"housing\",\"zoning\"]","vector_id":"vec_seg_100960_81","created_at":"2026-10-31T08:16:53Z","speaker_name":"Robert Schu"},{"id":"seg_100960_82","meeting_id":"100960","media_asset_id":"med_100960_08560546a3d9bf4a","agenda_item_id":null,"speaker_id":"spk_100960_city_staff","speaker_confidence":0.85,"start_sec":1172.24,"end_sec":1174.41,"text":"I don't know of anything in the code that limits rentals to just 6 months. Okay.","topics_json":"[\"housing\",\"zoning\"]","vector_id":"vec_seg_100960_82","created_at":"2026-10-31T08:16:53Z","speaker_name":null},{"id":"seg_100960_83","meeting_id":"100960","media_asset_id":"med_100960_08560546a3d9bf4a","agenda_item_id":null,"speaker_id":"spk_100960_robert_schu","speaker_confidence":0.95,"start_sec":1174.59,"end_sec":1237.68,"text":"Yeah, I think I think I read somewhere that it's sought to be in and out, you see this is not a resort type and uh, quite frankly, we don't allow that. We don't want to bring someone in and have them leave right away. Furthermore, we're strict about the type of RVs that come in. We require, uh, inspects them all and we make sure that the homes are recent homes, RVs, 10 years and and younger. So, that's that's who we have. No, we don't. We get a lot of people from Dover Air Force Base who are here for anywhere from 3 months to a year and a half, and we provided to the staff in in the report um, on on the four lots that we are asking for additional variance on top of the 17 that we have, we showed uh, not names, but the duration of people coming in and out of those particular ones, and they were well over the time frame of 6 months, even though that's...","topics_json":"[\"housing\",\"zoning\"]","vector_id":"vec_seg_100960_83","created_at":"2026-10-31T08:16:53Z","speaker_name":"Robert Schu"},{"id":"seg_100960_84","meeting_id":"100960","media_asset_id":"med_100960_08560546a3d9bf4a","agenda_item_id":null,"speaker_id":"spk_100960_board_member","speaker_confidence":0.85,"start_sec":1237.8,"end_sec":1239,"text":"Thank you.","topics_json":"[]","vector_id":"vec_seg_100960_84","created_at":"2026-10-31T08:16:53Z","speaker_name":null},{"id":"seg_100960_85","meeting_id":"100960","media_asset_id":"med_100960_08560546a3d9bf4a","agenda_item_id":null,"speaker_id":"spk_100960_board_member_2","speaker_confidence":0.85,"start_sec":1239.6,"end_sec":1281.71,"text":"We saw, sorry, Mike, go ahead. We saw somewhere in the staff materials reference to the fact that in the absence of this variance, those four lots cannot have manufactured homes. Is that the case? And if so, can you describe what the consequences would be for these four lots if you don't get the variance?","topics_json":"[\"housing\",\"zoning\"]","vector_id":"vec_seg_100960_85","created_at":"2026-10-31T08:16:53Z","speaker_name":null},{"id":"seg_100960_86","meeting_id":"100960","media_asset_id":"med_100960_08560546a3d9bf4a","agenda_item_id":null,"speaker_id":"spk_100960_robert_schu","speaker_confidence":0.95,"start_sec":1281.83,"end_sec":1420.52,"text":"Right. So, um let me answer that question. We um did some research and to look at what the smallest manufactured home that's being built nowadays, brand new homes, it's called Buttercup. And it it requires at least, it's 40 x 40, and one of our lots is less than that, the other lots are just about that size. But that being, these homes, uh, they'll be the least expensive of all, and they run in the $43,000 to $68,000. Our park is a affordable home park. If we brought in if we could fit one of them on the lot and we brought them in, we'd be paying over $60,000 to bring in a home of that size which could potentially fit on our lot, and then we would have to have a return on our on the cost. And we can't charge people enough money to get a return on our cost that would allow them to rent in our park, it would just be cost-prohibitive. So we are we are left with no alternative to to bring in uh people bringing in RVs. And if you saw in our application, in the last 12 months, we can we've had to turn away 60 or 70 people who have requested RVs into the park. So detriment of us, that that loss was to it affects everyone. We bought this park 2 and when we bought it, there was, you know, some of the residents here remember a number of disagreeable residents there, drug dealing going on. So we had to remove approximately 20% of the residents that were there because they were disrupting the community, they weren't the type of people that we wanted in. We wanted it friendly, safe. Since then, um we've owned the park 4 years. All the money that we made, we have not collected $1. Every dollar back into the park, cleaned it up, fixed it out to make sure that it is safe family park. So I just wanted to point that out to you so you understand that to bring in brand new homes, we couldn't find people that can afford to rent them.","topics_json":"[\"housing\",\"zoning\",\"business\",\"public_safety\"]","vector_id":"vec_seg_100960_86","created_at":"2026-10-31T08:16:53Z","speaker_name":"Robert Schu"},{"id":"seg_100960_87","meeting_id":"100960","media_asset_id":"med_100960_08560546a3d9bf4a","agenda_item_id":null,"speaker_id":"spk_100960_board_member_2","speaker_confidence":0.85,"start_sec":1420.94,"end_sec":1463.65,"text":"Thank you. Um one of the other factors that the board will consider is whether or not, this breaks it down for us, um that the proposed use um will be in harmony and not out of character with the existing use. It sounds obvious because there's already 17 uh lots there, but can you comment on whether or not, if this variance is granted, dramatically changed character?","topics_json":"[\"zoning\",\"housing\"]","vector_id":"vec_seg_100960_87","created_at":"2026-10-31T08:16:53Z","speaker_name":null},{"id":"seg_100960_88","meeting_id":"100960","media_asset_id":"med_100960_08560546a3d9bf4a","agenda_item_id":null,"speaker_id":"spk_100960_robert_schu","speaker_confidence":0.95,"start_sec":1464.07,"end_sec":1521.08,"text":"Thank you. Um since we bought the property, we have had recreational vehicles on those lots. I don't think it has changed the character. I don't see any change to the community. The lots that we have have had recreational vehicles on them, but the same ones that they've always had. But I'd say that would be a question if you're inclined to answer whether they think four more four that we've had since we purchased the property. We purchased the property, we secured a government-backed Freddie Mac loan, and that loan showed 21 recreation vehicle sites along with balance of manufactured homes. So, yeah, my my response is it's not going to change character, it's not going to be injurious, doesn't ask the board to make anything any different from what already is.","topics_json":"[\"housing\",\"zoning\"]","vector_id":"vec_seg_100960_88","created_at":"2026-10-31T08:16:53Z","speaker_name":"Robert Schu"},{"id":"seg_100960_89","meeting_id":"100960","media_asset_id":"med_100960_08560546a3d9bf4a","agenda_item_id":null,"speaker_id":"spk_100960_chairman_keller","speaker_confidence":0.9,"start_sec":1523.49,"end_sec":1525.9,"text":"Any other questions from the board?","topics_json":"[]","vector_id":"vec_seg_100960_89","created_at":"2026-10-31T08:16:53Z","speaker_name":null},{"id":"seg_100960_9","meeting_id":"100960","media_asset_id":"med_100960_08560546a3d9bf4a","agenda_item_id":null,"speaker_id":"spk_100960_city_clerk","speaker_confidence":1,"start_sec":194.18,"end_sec":195.22,"text":"Mr. Wagner?","topics_json":"[]","vector_id":"vec_seg_100960_9","created_at":"2026-10-31T08:16:53Z","speaker_name":"City Clerk"},{"id":"seg_100960_90","meeting_id":"100960","media_asset_id":"med_100960_08560546a3d9bf4a","agenda_item_id":null,"speaker_id":"spk_100960_board_member_3","speaker_confidence":0.85,"start_sec":1527.7,"end_sec":1575.52,"text":"In June, the 17 lots for RVs, the RVs that were parked, were they driven or were they towed with a truck or an automobile, stayed there a week, a month, two months, whatever it is, 1 to 7 months? Then then they're off and somebody else came along and parked, whatever.","topics_json":"[\"housing\",\"zoning\"]","vector_id":"vec_seg_100960_90","created_at":"2026-10-31T08:16:53Z","speaker_name":null},{"id":"seg_100960_91","meeting_id":"100960","media_asset_id":"med_100960_08560546a3d9bf4a","agenda_item_id":null,"speaker_id":"spk_100960_board_member_3","speaker_confidence":0.85,"start_sec":1576.12,"end_sec":1651.6,"text":"The code came in, was changed by the Fathers of the City, I believe in 2016. And they were very specific as to what that code was dealing with mobile home parks. And we we we have a camper from that 17 resident holding up the handle... We The board is in my... I'm sorry. Sorry. The reason he's saying the status quo, but also we have to take into consideration code is...","topics_json":"[\"housing\",\"zoning\"]","vector_id":"vec_seg_100960_91","created_at":"2026-10-31T08:16:53Z","speaker_name":null},{"id":"seg_100960_92","meeting_id":"100960","media_asset_id":"med_100960_08560546a3d9bf4a","agenda_item_id":null,"speaker_id":"spk_100960_board_member_3","speaker_confidence":0.85,"start_sec":1656.41,"end_sec":1661.22,"text":"And uh referring to lots 31, 118, 121, 122...","topics_json":"[\"housing\",\"zoning\"]","vector_id":"vec_seg_100960_92","created_at":"2026-10-31T08:16:53Z","speaker_name":null},{"id":"seg_100960_93","meeting_id":"100960","media_asset_id":"med_100960_08560546a3d9bf4a","agenda_item_id":null,"speaker_id":"spk_100960_robert_schu","speaker_confidence":0.9,"start_sec":1685.88,"end_sec":1688.59,"text":"Those were the lots. The ones in yellow on the map.","topics_json":"[\"housing\",\"zoning\"]","vector_id":"vec_seg_100960_93","created_at":"2026-10-31T08:16:53Z","speaker_name":"Robert Schu"},{"id":"seg_100960_94","meeting_id":"100960","media_asset_id":"med_100960_08560546a3d9bf4a","agenda_item_id":null,"speaker_id":"spk_100960_board_member_3","speaker_confidence":0.85,"start_sec":1689.19,"end_sec":1694.91,"text":"Well, I I have one...","topics_json":"[]","vector_id":"vec_seg_100960_94","created_at":"2026-10-31T08:16:53Z","speaker_name":null},{"id":"seg_100960_95","meeting_id":"100960","media_asset_id":"med_100960_08560546a3d9bf4a","agenda_item_id":null,"speaker_id":"spk_100960_board_member_3","speaker_confidence":0.85,"start_sec":1704.23,"end_sec":1807.98,"text":"Uh and I and I believe you have stated that there were some problem lots and constantly now that being the case or even that they haven't been for a longer period of time, for three years. Yet have one lot, 120, which has not been in use since 2022. The other lots have been in use just for late November 2024 to May 2025. What was in use there, like at one point of time not being in use recently. The question is, one of the questions I have: when was these lots last I'm sorry, when was these lots last used?","topics_json":"[\"housing\",\"zoning\"]","vector_id":"vec_seg_100960_95","created_at":"2026-10-31T08:16:53Z","speaker_name":null},{"id":"seg_100960_96","meeting_id":"100960","media_asset_id":"med_100960_08560546a3d9bf4a","agenda_item_id":null,"speaker_id":"spk_100960_dan_kramer","speaker_confidence":0.9,"start_sec":1807.98,"end_sec":1815.38,"text":"Thank you. Um first of all, we have 126 lots in the community.","topics_json":"[\"housing\",\"zoning\"]","vector_id":"vec_seg_100960_96","created_at":"2026-10-31T08:16:53Z","speaker_name":"Dan Kramer"},{"id":"seg_100960_97","meeting_id":"100960","media_asset_id":"med_100960_08560546a3d9bf4a","agenda_item_id":null,"speaker_id":"spk_100960_chairman","speaker_confidence":0.9,"start_sec":1815.38,"end_sec":1820.98,"text":"Wait. Excuse me, are aren't we discussing just four lots of variance?","topics_json":"[\"zoning\"]","vector_id":"vec_seg_100960_97","created_at":"2026-10-31T08:16:53Z","speaker_name":null},{"id":"seg_100960_98","meeting_id":"100960","media_asset_id":"med_100960_08560546a3d9bf4a","agenda_item_id":null,"speaker_id":"spk_100960_dan_kramer","speaker_confidence":0.9,"start_sec":1820.98,"end_sec":1843.78,"text":"Understood. What what I want to explain is that from 126 lots they're not all full. Since we bought the property in 2022, we have been filling up the lots by having people bring in their manufactured homes and placing them on lots. I would love to have had every one of our lots full because economically, that would be a benefit to our family. But it doesn't happen. Doesn't happen that fast. But","topics_json":"[\"housing\",\"business\"]","vector_id":"vec_seg_100960_98","created_at":"2026-10-31T08:16:53Z","speaker_name":"Dan Kramer"},{"id":"seg_100960_99","meeting_id":"100960","media_asset_id":"med_100960_08560546a3d9bf4a","agenda_item_id":null,"speaker_id":"spk_100960_dan_kramer","speaker_confidence":0.9,"start_sec":1844.28,"end_sec":1877.98,"text":"of the four lots that we're asking for the final variances, um three of those lots were were continually continually used um since 2025. In 2025 uh was the first time that we were notified that we were in non-conformance on all our lots. So","topics_json":"[\"housing\",\"zoning\"]","vector_id":"vec_seg_100960_99","created_at":"2026-10-31T08:16:53Z","speaker_name":"Dan Kramer"},{"id":"seg_100984_1","meeting_id":"100984","media_asset_id":"med_100984_9391a0b242491ea1","agenda_item_id":null,"speaker_id":"spk_100984_dawn_melson_williams","speaker_confidence":1,"start_sec":9.4,"end_sec":52.8,"text":"Good afternoon and welcome to the City of Dover Historic District Commission meeting. I'm Dawn Melson-Williams, the principal planner with the city's planning office. I will be the host for the meeting, the Historic District Commission meeting here on August 20th. The time now is just after 3:30 p.m. We are in-person location is the City Council Chambers, and the meeting is also being presented virtually using the Webex meeting platform. With that, I am going to turn it over to the chair.","topics_json":"[]","vector_id":"vec_seg_100984_1","created_at":"2026-10-31T08:19:24Z","speaker_name":"Dawn Melson-Williams"},{"id":"seg_100984_10","meeting_id":"100984","media_asset_id":"med_100984_9391a0b242491ea1","agenda_item_id":null,"speaker_id":"spk_100984_chair","speaker_confidence":0.8,"start_sec":79.1,"end_sec":80.2,"text":"Present.","topics_json":"[]","vector_id":"vec_seg_100984_10","created_at":"2026-10-31T08:19:24Z","speaker_name":null},{"id":"seg_100984_100","meeting_id":"100984","media_asset_id":"med_100984_9391a0b242491ea1","agenda_item_id":null,"speaker_id":"spk_100984_audience_member","speaker_confidence":0.85,"start_sec":2247.57,"end_sec":2266.67,"text":"And that's my concerns. I'm trying to look at a workaround here to what you've said. You've Governor's, that's adequate, which could be, you know, like I said, it might or might not be, so that's why I asked you a question. Yes, sir. Secure You know, using the fence line on that and leave the other fence the parking lot alone. You know, that that might suffice. And that's all I asked.","topics_json":"[\"zoning\",\"public_safety\"]","vector_id":"vec_seg_100984_100","created_at":"2026-10-31T08:19:25Z","speaker_name":null},{"id":"seg_100984_101","meeting_id":"100984","media_asset_id":"med_100984_9391a0b242491ea1","agenda_item_id":null,"speaker_id":"spk_100984_chunk3_speaker_3","speaker_confidence":0.85,"start_sec":2310.77,"end_sec":2348.17,"text":"Just another comment, historically, um metal wrought metal fences were used a lot. And a lot of them were taken down uh during the 20th century because people didn't like them or they fell into disrepair. Um so 6-ft is for today's environment, it's the only way to go. But I can also say as far as we have a fence around that lot historically, we don't know that. So I'm not concerned that way, let's say. But yeah,","topics_json":"[\"zoning\"]","vector_id":"vec_seg_100984_101","created_at":"2026-10-31T08:19:25Z","speaker_name":null},{"id":"seg_100984_102","meeting_id":"100984","media_asset_id":"med_100984_9391a0b242491ea1","agenda_item_id":null,"speaker_id":"spk_100984_audience_member","speaker_confidence":0.85,"start_sec":2348.57,"end_sec":2358.47,"text":"Well, historically, I don't think that fence goes back before maybe the '60s, you know, when they tore down there used to be Victorian houses all on that lot, so I hope people don't think there was a fence on that, but...","topics_json":"[\"zoning\"]","vector_id":"vec_seg_100984_102","created_at":"2026-10-31T08:19:25Z","speaker_name":null},{"id":"seg_100984_103","meeting_id":"100984","media_asset_id":"med_100984_9391a0b242491ea1","agenda_item_id":null,"speaker_id":"spk_100984_chunk3_speaker_3","speaker_confidence":0.85,"start_sec":2359.37,"end_sec":2363.17,"text":"There were a lot of fences in Dover, we know that. Yep.","topics_json":"[]","vector_id":"vec_seg_100984_103","created_at":"2026-10-31T08:19:25Z","speaker_name":null},{"id":"seg_100984_104","meeting_id":"100984","media_asset_id":"med_100984_9391a0b242491ea1","agenda_item_id":null,"speaker_id":"spk_100984_chair","speaker_confidence":0.85,"start_sec":2365.47,"end_sec":2368.77,"text":"All right. So, if everybody's happy, Mike, did you have another...","topics_json":"[]","vector_id":"vec_seg_100984_104","created_at":"2026-10-31T08:19:25Z","speaker_name":null},{"id":"seg_100984_105","meeting_id":"100984","media_asset_id":"med_100984_9391a0b242491ea1","agenda_item_id":null,"speaker_id":"spk_100984_chunk3_speaker_4","speaker_confidence":0.85,"start_sec":2369.87,"end_sec":2423.07,"text":"Um I took a walk on Monday and took photographs, and I was extremely impressed with the beauty of Bradford Street and the 4-ft fences. Uh, it also came to my mind that a 6-ft fence it's going to be a what it is, guys. And so, um I think a lot a lot of attention needs to be paid to uh to what that additional metal brings and how uh what it says about our city. And it's It is painful either way. It is just painful either way. And I couldn't help but notice, um, that uh the largest amount of fencing in that area, um, is at People's Church. And it's funny, the curves are magnificent. The curves, I think, are what softened it to me. And so, um jaggedness might be something just to give another look.","topics_json":"[\"zoning\"]","vector_id":"vec_seg_100984_105","created_at":"2026-10-31T08:19:25Z","speaker_name":null},{"id":"seg_100984_106","meeting_id":"100984","media_asset_id":"med_100984_9391a0b242491ea1","agenda_item_id":null,"speaker_id":"spk_100984_brian","speaker_confidence":0.85,"start_sec":2437.47,"end_sec":2440.37,"text":"These these look very sturdy.","topics_json":"[]","vector_id":"vec_seg_100984_106","created_at":"2026-10-31T08:19:25Z","speaker_name":"Brian"},{"id":"seg_100984_107","meeting_id":"100984","media_asset_id":"med_100984_9391a0b242491ea1","agenda_item_id":null,"speaker_id":"spk_100984_chunk3_speaker_4","speaker_confidence":0.85,"start_sec":2441.17,"end_sec":2443.97,"text":"How How far How far are they from the sidewalk?","topics_json":"[]","vector_id":"vec_seg_100984_107","created_at":"2026-10-31T08:19:25Z","speaker_name":null},{"id":"seg_100984_108","meeting_id":"100984","media_asset_id":"med_100984_9391a0b242491ea1","agenda_item_id":null,"speaker_id":"spk_100984_brian","speaker_confidence":0.85,"start_sec":2444.57,"end_sec":2446.57,"text":"I'm sorry. I'm not certain.","topics_json":"[]","vector_id":"vec_seg_100984_108","created_at":"2026-10-31T08:19:25Z","speaker_name":"Brian"},{"id":"seg_100984_109","meeting_id":"100984","media_asset_id":"med_100984_9391a0b242491ea1","agenda_item_id":null,"speaker_id":"spk_100984_chunk3_speaker_4","speaker_confidence":0.85,"start_sec":2447.77,"end_sec":2454.57,"text":"Stop. Yeah, nobody's going anywhere, that's right. That's true. Yeah. Yeah.","topics_json":"[]","vector_id":"vec_seg_100984_109","created_at":"2026-10-31T08:19:25Z","speaker_name":null},{"id":"seg_100984_11","meeting_id":"100984","media_asset_id":"med_100984_9391a0b242491ea1","agenda_item_id":null,"speaker_id":"spk_100984_dawn_melson_williams","speaker_confidence":1,"start_sec":80.3,"end_sec":93.3,"text":"Mr. Chair, this is Dawn with the planning office. You have four members of the Historic District Commission present today. That is your fully appointed contingent. It is a quorum to conduct business.","topics_json":"[]","vector_id":"vec_seg_100984_11","created_at":"2026-10-31T08:19:24Z","speaker_name":"Dawn Melson-Williams"},{"id":"seg_100984_110","meeting_id":"100984","media_asset_id":"med_100984_9391a0b242491ea1","agenda_item_id":null,"speaker_id":"spk_100984_chunk3_speaker_4","speaker_confidence":0.85,"start_sec":2454.67,"end_sec":2531.07,"text":"It At the same time, you know, we're still living in a in a dynamic community. Um and we're going to have big uh Punkin Chunkin Saturdays. So, uh I appreciate uh the comments that that all of us thinking about how how things will look, how it will feel to be here, how we can encourage people of goodwill to come and be a part of our community and help those who may not we're seeking alternative lifestyles to be able to do what they need to do and survive, you know, so well. When they reject Yeah. This is a challenge. Thank you all.","topics_json":"[\"zoning\"]","vector_id":"vec_seg_100984_110","created_at":"2026-10-31T08:19:25Z","speaker_name":null},{"id":"seg_100984_111","meeting_id":"100984","media_asset_id":"med_100984_9391a0b242491ea1","agenda_item_id":null,"speaker_id":"spk_100984_brian","speaker_confidence":0.85,"start_sec":2531.57,"end_sec":2532.77,"text":"All right. Thank you very much.","topics_json":"[]","vector_id":"vec_seg_100984_111","created_at":"2026-10-31T08:19:25Z","speaker_name":"Brian"},{"id":"seg_100984_112","meeting_id":"100984","media_asset_id":"med_100984_9391a0b242491ea1","agenda_item_id":null,"speaker_id":"spk_100984_chair","speaker_confidence":0.85,"start_sec":2536.87,"end_sec":2541.97,"text":"All right. Um, does anybody have anything they want to talk about before we put this on the floor?","topics_json":"[]","vector_id":"vec_seg_100984_112","created_at":"2026-10-31T08:19:25Z","speaker_name":null},{"id":"seg_100984_113","meeting_id":"100984","media_asset_id":"med_100984_9391a0b242491ea1","agenda_item_id":null,"speaker_id":"spk_100984_audience_member","speaker_confidence":0.85,"start_sec":2545.07,"end_sec":2589.37,"text":"I mean, I can say my personal feeling is I get, you know, I stand there and I have to do it, but I wouldn't understand why it's being done. So, I want Just so I'm trying to ask dark questions, and try to look at it. It's obvious that that at Governors Street parking lot, um, that's the place that, you know, I always saw them, you know, firefighters responding. So, I can understand that one. You know, so.","topics_json":"[\"public_safety\",\"zoning\"]","vector_id":"vec_seg_100984_113","created_at":"2026-10-31T08:19:25Z","speaker_name":null},{"id":"seg_100984_114","meeting_id":"100984","media_asset_id":"med_100984_9391a0b242491ea1","agenda_item_id":null,"speaker_id":"spk_100984_dawn_melson_williams","speaker_confidence":0.85,"start_sec":2591.07,"end_sec":2610.97,"text":"Uh Mr. Chair, before you go any further, I want to acknowledge that the uh the fire chief, David Carey, has joined us virtually. Um I'm going to see if he needs to make any statement, or if uh Brian speaking um has done the trick here. 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So, that was David Carey, who's the uh current fire chief for Robins Fire, um and Brian is speaking on behalf of the department.","topics_json":"[\"public_safety\"]","vector_id":"vec_seg_100984_116","created_at":"2026-10-31T08:19:25Z","speaker_name":"Dawn Melson-Williams"},{"id":"seg_100984_117","meeting_id":"100984","media_asset_id":"med_100984_9391a0b242491ea1","agenda_item_id":null,"speaker_id":"spk_100984_chair","speaker_confidence":0.85,"start_sec":2628.57,"end_sec":2631.47,"text":"All right. Does someone want to put forth a motion?","topics_json":"[]","vector_id":"vec_seg_100984_117","created_at":"2026-10-31T08:19:25Z","speaker_name":null},{"id":"seg_100984_118","meeting_id":"100984","media_asset_id":"med_100984_9391a0b242491ea1","agenda_item_id":null,"speaker_id":"spk_100984_chunk3_speaker_3","speaker_confidence":0.85,"start_sec":2634.87,"end_sec":2652.17,"text":"I'd be happy to do that. Um, I move approval of fence permit 26-1225 for 103 South Governors Avenue, 116 South Bradford Street, and other unidentified parcels.","topics_json":"[\"zoning\"]","vector_id":"vec_seg_100984_118","created_at":"2026-10-31T08:19:25Z","speaker_name":null},{"id":"seg_100984_119","meeting_id":"100984","media_asset_id":"med_100984_9391a0b242491ea1","agenda_item_id":null,"speaker_id":"spk_100984_chair","speaker_confidence":0.85,"start_sec":2653.37,"end_sec":2654.07,"text":"A second?","topics_json":"[]","vector_id":"vec_seg_100984_119","created_at":"2026-10-31T08:19:25Z","speaker_name":null},{"id":"seg_100984_12","meeting_id":"100984","media_asset_id":"med_100984_9391a0b242491ea1","agenda_item_id":null,"speaker_id":"spk_100984_chair","speaker_confidence":0.8,"start_sec":93.4,"end_sec":102.2,"text":"All right, thank you very much, uh Dawn. Let's see, uh we'll move on to the approval of the agenda. Does anybody have any questions, any agendas for today?","topics_json":"[]","vector_id":"vec_seg_100984_12","created_at":"2026-10-31T08:19:24Z","speaker_name":null},{"id":"seg_100984_120","meeting_id":"100984","media_asset_id":"med_100984_9391a0b242491ea1","agenda_item_id":null,"speaker_id":"spk_100984_chair","speaker_confidence":0.85,"start_sec":2655.67,"end_sec":2657.17,"text":"All in favor, say aye.","topics_json":"[]","vector_id":"vec_seg_100984_120","created_at":"2026-10-31T08:19:25Z","speaker_name":null},{"id":"seg_100984_121","meeting_id":"100984","media_asset_id":"med_100984_9391a0b242491ea1","agenda_item_id":null,"speaker_id":"spk_100984_multiple_speakers","speaker_confidence":0.85,"start_sec":2657.57,"end_sec":2658.97,"text":"Aye.","topics_json":"[]","vector_id":"vec_seg_100984_121","created_at":"2026-10-31T08:19:25Z","speaker_name":null},{"id":"seg_100984_122","meeting_id":"100984","media_asset_id":"med_100984_9391a0b242491ea1","agenda_item_id":null,"speaker_id":"spk_100984_chair","speaker_confidence":0.85,"start_sec":2658.97,"end_sec":2662.67,"text":"All against? Okay. So, we have unanimous.","topics_json":"[]","vector_id":"vec_seg_100984_122","created_at":"2026-10-31T08:19:25Z","speaker_name":null},{"id":"seg_100984_123","meeting_id":"100984","media_asset_id":"med_100984_9391a0b242491ea1","agenda_item_id":null,"speaker_id":"spk_100984_dawn_melson_williams","speaker_confidence":0.85,"start_sec":2664.07,"end_sec":2688.97,"text":"Uh, so, the um and that is raining approval to the fence permit at a um 6-ft height. And, obviously, recognizing the additional information that was provided here today. Um what planning staff will do is uh in the next week here work through uh processing of the permit uh for our review. And uh move that along in our permit review process.","topics_json":"[\"zoning\"]","vector_id":"vec_seg_100984_123","created_at":"2026-10-31T08:19:25Z","speaker_name":"Dawn Melson-Williams"},{"id":"seg_100984_124","meeting_id":"100984","media_asset_id":"med_100984_9391a0b242491ea1","agenda_item_id":null,"speaker_id":"spk_100984_chair","speaker_confidence":0.85,"start_sec":2691.67,"end_sec":2707.87,"text":"All right. Great. Okay. Let's move on to our next um architectural review uh review certification, uh HI-26-04 referral fence permit number 26-12150, 46 South Bradford Street.","topics_json":"[\"zoning\"]","vector_id":"vec_seg_100984_124","created_at":"2026-10-31T08:19:25Z","speaker_name":null},{"id":"seg_100984_125","meeting_id":"100984","media_asset_id":"med_100984_9391a0b242491ea1","agenda_item_id":null,"speaker_id":"spk_100984_applicant","speaker_confidence":0.85,"start_sec":2740.45,"end_sec":2817.75,"text":"Yeah, today is basically just to give a little bit more background on the project. We're adding HVAC systems to the church. As of right now, we had limited heating and air. They had very very few ACs, and we're going to be upgrading that so the entire building is now going to have a nice cooling system and a heating system that works and looks nice. It's cost more money for the church itself. So, how much you folks would like to get into about the system or anything like that?","topics_json":"[\"zoning\"]","vector_id":"vec_seg_100984_125","created_at":"2026-10-31T08:19:25Z","speaker_name":null},{"id":"seg_100984_126","meeting_id":"100984","media_asset_id":"med_100984_9391a0b242491ea1","agenda_item_id":null,"speaker_id":"spk_100984_board_member_1","speaker_confidence":0.8,"start_sec":2821.75,"end_sec":2827.45,"text":"No, I think that's necessarily. What we can do is","topics_json":"[\"zoning\"]","vector_id":"vec_seg_100984_126","created_at":"2026-10-31T08:19:25Z","speaker_name":null},{"id":"seg_100984_127","meeting_id":"100984","media_asset_id":"med_100984_9391a0b242491ea1","agenda_item_id":null,"speaker_id":"spk_100984_applicant","speaker_confidence":0.85,"start_sec":2827.45,"end_sec":2871.15,"text":"Down at number 4, it's basically equipment protection and security because this is a new HVAC system, a significant investment. We want to make sure it's secure. So this fence is basically going to protect this for accidental damage, unauthorized access, vandalism, theft. I won't go into that, but the fire department would certainly explain more. They're literally right across the street from us. And these activities Each unit that sits outside has a lot of copper piping, a lot of electrical lines, gas pipings, stuff like that. We just want to make sure it stays nice and secure.","topics_json":"[\"public_safety\",\"zoning\"]","vector_id":"vec_seg_100984_127","created_at":"2026-10-31T08:19:25Z","speaker_name":null},{"id":"seg_100984_128","meeting_id":"100984","media_asset_id":"med_100984_9391a0b242491ea1","agenda_item_id":null,"speaker_id":"spk_100984_board_member_1","speaker_confidence":0.8,"start_sec":2872.75,"end_sec":2877.65,"text":"All right, my questions. Okay, are you guys removing trees for this?","topics_json":"[\"zoning\"]","vector_id":"vec_seg_100984_128","created_at":"2026-10-31T08:19:25Z","speaker_name":null},{"id":"seg_100984_129","meeting_id":"100984","media_asset_id":"med_100984_9391a0b242491ea1","agenda_item_id":null,"speaker_id":"spk_100984_applicant","speaker_confidence":0.85,"start_sec":2877.65,"end_sec":2879.25,"text":"Yes.","topics_json":"[\"zoning\"]","vector_id":"vec_seg_100984_129","created_at":"2026-10-31T08:19:25Z","speaker_name":null},{"id":"seg_100984_13","meeting_id":"100984","media_asset_id":"med_100984_9391a0b242491ea1","agenda_item_id":null,"speaker_id":"spk_100984_historic_district_commission_member","speaker_confidence":0.7,"start_sec":102.8,"end_sec":105.8,"text":"I move to approve the agenda.","topics_json":"[]","vector_id":"vec_seg_100984_13","created_at":"2026-10-31T08:19:24Z","speaker_name":null},{"id":"seg_100984_130","meeting_id":"100984","media_asset_id":"med_100984_9391a0b242491ea1","agenda_item_id":null,"speaker_id":"spk_100984_board_member_1","speaker_confidence":0.8,"start_sec":2879.95,"end_sec":2887.75,"text":"All right. So, previously we had approved chain link fences for the stairways.","topics_json":"[\"zoning\"]","vector_id":"vec_seg_100984_130","created_at":"2026-10-31T08:19:25Z","speaker_name":null},{"id":"seg_100984_131","meeting_id":"100984","media_asset_id":"med_100984_9391a0b242491ea1","agenda_item_id":null,"speaker_id":"spk_100984_applicant","speaker_confidence":0.85,"start_sec":2887.75,"end_sec":2892.45,"text":"Yeah, that was done probably about five years ago, I think, 4 or 5 years ago, we improved those.","topics_json":"[\"zoning\"]","vector_id":"vec_seg_100984_131","created_at":"2026-10-31T08:19:25Z","speaker_name":null},{"id":"seg_100984_132","meeting_id":"100984","media_asset_id":"med_100984_9391a0b242491ea1","agenda_item_id":null,"speaker_id":"spk_100984_board_member_2","speaker_confidence":0.8,"start_sec":2892.45,"end_sec":2896.95,"text":"Well, 12 years.","topics_json":"[\"zoning\"]","vector_id":"vec_seg_100984_132","created_at":"2026-10-31T08:19:25Z","speaker_name":null},{"id":"seg_100984_133","meeting_id":"100984","media_asset_id":"med_100984_9391a0b242491ea1","agenda_item_id":null,"speaker_id":"spk_100984_applicant","speaker_confidence":0.85,"start_sec":2896.95,"end_sec":2899.95,"text":"I'm not the handyman on the project.","topics_json":"[\"zoning\"]","vector_id":"vec_seg_100984_133","created_at":"2026-10-31T08:19:25Z","speaker_name":null},{"id":"seg_100984_134","meeting_id":"100984","media_asset_id":"med_100984_9391a0b242491ea1","agenda_item_id":null,"speaker_id":"spk_100984_board_member_1","speaker_confidence":0.8,"start_sec":2902.45,"end_sec":2906.15,"text":"Yeah, I was here when we approved that, and I haven't been here for four.","topics_json":"[\"zoning\"]","vector_id":"vec_seg_100984_134","created_at":"2026-10-31T08:19:25Z","speaker_name":null},{"id":"seg_100984_135","meeting_id":"100984","media_asset_id":"med_100984_9391a0b242491ea1","agenda_item_id":null,"speaker_id":"spk_100984_applicant","speaker_confidence":0.85,"start_sec":2906.15,"end_sec":2909.75,"text":"That was prior to","topics_json":"[\"zoning\"]","vector_id":"vec_seg_100984_135","created_at":"2026-10-31T08:19:25Z","speaker_name":null},{"id":"seg_100984_136","meeting_id":"100984","media_asset_id":"med_100984_9391a0b242491ea1","agenda_item_id":null,"speaker_id":"spk_100984_board_member_1","speaker_confidence":0.8,"start_sec":2909.75,"end_sec":2922.75,"text":"I got you. Anyways, now this is sticking out quite a bit further out from the building, so this is going to be very visible from different angles on Bradford Street. Was there any consideration to use ornamental instead of chain link?","topics_json":"[\"zoning\"]","vector_id":"vec_seg_100984_136","created_at":"2026-10-31T08:19:25Z","speaker_name":null},{"id":"seg_100984_137","meeting_id":"100984","media_asset_id":"med_100984_9391a0b242491ea1","agenda_item_id":null,"speaker_id":"spk_100984_applicant","speaker_confidence":0.85,"start_sec":2922.95,"end_sec":2948.15,"text":"So, funny you say that. Now I wasn't at that night with the fire department that had watched some pages. But basically what we did was we took an AI program, went in there, got a picture, and we had AI help us out with what it could look like with fencing and then some greenery around it. I do have a picture if you'd like to look.","topics_json":"[\"zoning\"]","vector_id":"vec_seg_100984_137","created_at":"2026-10-31T08:19:25Z","speaker_name":null},{"id":"seg_100984_138","meeting_id":"100984","media_asset_id":"med_100984_9391a0b242491ea1","agenda_item_id":null,"speaker_id":"spk_100984_applicant","speaker_confidence":0.85,"start_sec":2979.95,"end_sec":2997.95,"text":"So, if you get near, ask him without a problem. But see, AI doesn't give us chain link. Look here, for some reason, they gave us ornamental fencing, as you can see.","topics_json":"[\"zoning\"]","vector_id":"vec_seg_100984_138","created_at":"2026-10-31T08:19:25Z","speaker_name":null},{"id":"seg_100984_139","meeting_id":"100984","media_asset_id":"med_100984_9391a0b242491ea1","agenda_item_id":null,"speaker_id":"spk_100984_dawn_melson_williams","speaker_confidence":0.9,"start_sec":3014.15,"end_sec":3032.45,"text":"So if you're going to group meet there, then we need to make sure we're recording that. 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What is the exterior of the additional structure?","topics_json":"[\"zoning\"]","vector_id":"vec_seg_100984_140","created_at":"2026-10-31T08:19:25Z","speaker_name":null},{"id":"seg_100984_141","meeting_id":"100984","media_asset_id":"med_100984_9391a0b242491ea1","agenda_item_id":null,"speaker_id":"spk_100984_applicant","speaker_confidence":0.85,"start_sec":3046.75,"end_sec":3069.15,"text":"All right. So the concrete itself, the pad itself is going to be from the building out, including the existing concrete. It's going to be 22 feet from the building out. From the where it says number 3 back, which is number 3 back, it's going to be 55 ft from there back to that brick wall.","topics_json":"[\"zoning\"]","vector_id":"vec_seg_100984_141","created_at":"2026-10-31T08:19:25Z","speaker_name":null},{"id":"seg_100984_142","meeting_id":"100984","media_asset_id":"med_100984_9391a0b242491ea1","agenda_item_id":null,"speaker_id":"spk_100984_board_member_2","speaker_confidence":0.8,"start_sec":3069.45,"end_sec":3073.45,"text":"Is this Bradford Street back? These are crepe myrtles?","topics_json":"[\"zoning\"]","vector_id":"vec_seg_100984_142","created_at":"2026-10-31T08:19:25Z","speaker_name":null},{"id":"seg_100984_143","meeting_id":"100984","media_asset_id":"med_100984_9391a0b242491ea1","agenda_item_id":null,"speaker_id":"spk_100984_applicant","speaker_confidence":0.85,"start_sec":3073.45,"end_sec":3075.45,"text":"Yes, correct. Crepe myrtles.","topics_json":"[\"zoning\"]","vector_id":"vec_seg_100984_143","created_at":"2026-10-31T08:19:25Z","speaker_name":null},{"id":"seg_100984_144","meeting_id":"100984","media_asset_id":"med_100984_9391a0b242491ea1","agenda_item_id":null,"speaker_id":"spk_100984_board_member_2","speaker_confidence":0.8,"start_sec":3080.45,"end_sec":3084.15,"text":"How many feet beside, did you say? I'm sorry.","topics_json":"[\"zoning\"]","vector_id":"vec_seg_100984_144","created_at":"2026-10-31T08:19:25Z","speaker_name":null},{"id":"seg_100984_145","meeting_id":"100984","media_asset_id":"med_100984_9391a0b242491ea1","agenda_item_id":null,"speaker_id":"spk_100984_applicant","speaker_confidence":0.85,"start_sec":3085.15,"end_sec":3096.75,"text":"All right. So, yeah, we're 55 ft from the from the front of this to the top of the screen. And then we're 22 ft from the building out to the new sidewalk.","topics_json":"[\"zoning\"]","vector_id":"vec_seg_100984_145","created_at":"2026-10-31T08:19:25Z","speaker_name":null},{"id":"seg_100984_146","meeting_id":"100984","media_asset_id":"med_100984_9391a0b242491ea1","agenda_item_id":null,"speaker_id":"spk_100984_board_member_2","speaker_confidence":0.8,"start_sec":3099.95,"end_sec":3129.95,"text":"I really want to say aren't dimensions fun, but I won't. And what is going to be the sheathing of this structure here? Will will the interior of what you are building on that is sitting outside the church itself, will it be opaque or will people see copper wiring and all sorts of interesting things?","topics_json":"[\"zoning\"]","vector_id":"vec_seg_100984_146","created_at":"2026-10-31T08:19:25Z","speaker_name":null},{"id":"seg_100984_147","meeting_id":"100984","media_asset_id":"med_100984_9391a0b242491ea1","agenda_item_id":null,"speaker_id":"spk_100984_applicant","speaker_confidence":0.85,"start_sec":3131.45,"end_sec":3159.15,"text":"Uh no. So that is that is where we're proposing to do the live greenery around the exterior of the fencing area, so you will not see any of the copper piping. You might see a little bit until the brush starts to grow up, the vines and stuff like that, whichever type of greenery you choose. Until that's grown up, people might see the equipment through the fence, but once it starts to grow, you won't see it.","topics_json":"[\"zoning\"]","vector_id":"vec_seg_100984_147","created_at":"2026-10-31T08:19:25Z","speaker_name":null},{"id":"seg_100984_148","meeting_id":"100984","media_asset_id":"med_100984_9391a0b242491ea1","agenda_item_id":null,"speaker_id":"spk_100984_board_member_2","speaker_confidence":0.8,"start_sec":3160.15,"end_sec":3176.95,"text":"Do you have a photo or something to show what this what the thing looks like that you're building at 20 2x55 ft without without the fence and without","topics_json":"[\"zoning\"]","vector_id":"vec_seg_100984_148","created_at":"2026-10-31T08:19:25Z","speaker_name":null},{"id":"seg_100984_149","meeting_id":"100984","media_asset_id":"med_100984_9391a0b242491ea1","agenda_item_id":null,"speaker_id":"spk_100984_board_member_1","speaker_confidence":0.8,"start_sec":3176.95,"end_sec":3180.75,"text":"Yeah, it's going to be wide percent standard black chain-link fence.","topics_json":"[\"zoning\"]","vector_id":"vec_seg_100984_149","created_at":"2026-10-31T08:19:25Z","speaker_name":null},{"id":"seg_100984_15","meeting_id":"100984","media_asset_id":"med_100984_9391a0b242491ea1","agenda_item_id":null,"speaker_id":"spk_100984_chair","speaker_confidence":0.8,"start_sec":109.2,"end_sec":113.8,"text":"All in favor say aye. Opposed? All right, so it looks like we have approval of the agenda.","topics_json":"[]","vector_id":"vec_seg_100984_15","created_at":"2026-10-31T08:19:24Z","speaker_name":null},{"id":"seg_100984_150","meeting_id":"100984","media_asset_id":"med_100984_9391a0b242491ea1","agenda_item_id":null,"speaker_id":"spk_100984_dawn_melson_williams","speaker_confidence":0.9,"start_sec":3180.75,"end_sec":3193.45,"text":"No, you're talking about the housing of the actual mechanical equipment. This is just a concrete pad, and the equipment unit sits on that pad. Is that correct?","topics_json":"[\"zoning\"]","vector_id":"vec_seg_100984_150","created_at":"2026-10-31T08:19:25Z","speaker_name":"Dawn Melson-Williams"},{"id":"seg_100984_151","meeting_id":"100984","media_asset_id":"med_100984_9391a0b242491ea1","agenda_item_id":null,"speaker_id":"spk_100984_applicant","speaker_confidence":0.85,"start_sec":3193.45,"end_sec":3195.45,"text":"Correct. Yes.","topics_json":"[\"zoning\"]","vector_id":"vec_seg_100984_151","created_at":"2026-10-31T08:19:25Z","speaker_name":null},{"id":"seg_100984_152","meeting_id":"100984","media_asset_id":"med_100984_9391a0b242491ea1","agenda_item_id":null,"speaker_id":"spk_100984_board_member_2","speaker_confidence":0.8,"start_sec":3195.45,"end_sec":3203.95,"text":"And what does that look like and what and what is what is the exterior and Well, I mean, you get right Talk about outdoor and an access by people.","topics_json":"[\"zoning\"]","vector_id":"vec_seg_100984_152","created_at":"2026-10-31T08:19:25Z","speaker_name":null},{"id":"seg_100984_153","meeting_id":"100984","media_asset_id":"med_100984_9391a0b242491ea1","agenda_item_id":null,"speaker_id":"spk_100984_board_member_1","speaker_confidence":0.8,"start_sec":3203.95,"end_sec":3209.95,"text":"I think this would be five units, right? And the five units are going to stand what, probably about 3 and 1/2, 4 ft up?","topics_json":"[\"zoning\"]","vector_id":"vec_seg_100984_153","created_at":"2026-10-31T08:19:25Z","speaker_name":null},{"id":"seg_100984_154","meeting_id":"100984","media_asset_id":"med_100984_9391a0b242491ea1","agenda_item_id":null,"speaker_id":"spk_100984_applicant","speaker_confidence":0.85,"start_sec":3210.45,"end_sec":3247.75,"text":"Uh so the the five units stand about 6 and 1/2 ft tall. That tall? Yeah. So they're they're pretty tall unit, which is why I wanted to go with 8 ft. However, it said to be processed on paperwork that I looked through, 6 ft is the maximum. So we were trying to go as high as we could to cover that up as much as possible to allow historically everything to stay nice and pretty in Dover itself. Um so they are about 6 and 1/2, 7 ft tall. They They're decent looking unit. We have a few other ones actually in the city already.","topics_json":"[\"zoning\"]","vector_id":"vec_seg_100984_154","created_at":"2026-10-31T08:19:25Z","speaker_name":null},{"id":"seg_100984_155","meeting_id":"100984","media_asset_id":"med_100984_9391a0b242491ea1","agenda_item_id":null,"speaker_id":"spk_100984_board_member_1","speaker_confidence":0.8,"start_sec":3247.95,"end_sec":3249.45,"text":"Similar to Bradford, do you guess?","topics_json":"[\"zoning\"]","vector_id":"vec_seg_100984_155","created_at":"2026-10-31T08:19:25Z","speaker_name":null},{"id":"seg_100984_156","meeting_id":"100984","media_asset_id":"med_100984_9391a0b242491ea1","agenda_item_id":null,"speaker_id":"spk_100984_applicant","speaker_confidence":0.85,"start_sec":3249.45,"end_sec":3268.45,"text":"Yes, we have one sitting over there or two sitting over there right now. They aren't fenced in. They're a little bit out of the area. They're nicer, buried than what this is. Um and they're house in a beautiful I have to drop in and look at mine, though. Yeah, I wouldn't recommend that either.","topics_json":"[\"zoning\"]","vector_id":"vec_seg_100984_156","created_at":"2026-10-31T08:19:25Z","speaker_name":null},{"id":"seg_100984_157","meeting_id":"100984","media_asset_id":"med_100984_9391a0b242491ea1","agenda_item_id":null,"speaker_id":"spk_100984_applicant","speaker_confidence":0.85,"start_sec":3268.45,"end_sec":3279.15,"text":"Uh so the biggest thing is is that once we put these in, we just want to keep everything safe. The the fence will not cover everything up, but if we do the greenery around, it's going to give a nice visual here.","topics_json":"[\"zoning\"]","vector_id":"vec_seg_100984_157","created_at":"2026-10-31T08:19:25Z","speaker_name":null},{"id":"seg_100984_158","meeting_id":"100984","media_asset_id":"med_100984_9391a0b242491ea1","agenda_item_id":null,"speaker_id":"spk_100984_board_member_1","speaker_confidence":0.8,"start_sec":3279.15,"end_sec":3286.75,"text":"Yeah, I just think that an ornamental fence is a lot more security than chain link. Because people can climb up over a chain link, and then go right into the","topics_json":"[\"public_safety\",\"zoning\"]","vector_id":"vec_seg_100984_158","created_at":"2026-10-31T08:19:25Z","speaker_name":null},{"id":"seg_100984_159","meeting_id":"100984","media_asset_id":"med_100984_9391a0b242491ea1","agenda_item_id":null,"speaker_id":"spk_100984_applicant","speaker_confidence":0.85,"start_sec":3286.75,"end_sec":3293.95,"text":"Yeah, absolutely. And as I said, we're here to work with you folks, so if that's something that we need to look into, I don't mind","topics_json":"[\"zoning\"]","vector_id":"vec_seg_100984_159","created_at":"2026-10-31T08:19:25Z","speaker_name":null},{"id":"seg_100984_16","meeting_id":"100984","media_asset_id":"med_100984_9391a0b242491ea1","agenda_item_id":null,"speaker_id":"spk_100984_chair","speaker_confidence":0.8,"start_sec":114,"end_sec":125.6,"text":"Let's move on for the approval of the minutes from uh July 16, 2024. Does anybody have any questions or corrections?","topics_json":"[]","vector_id":"vec_seg_100984_16","created_at":"2026-10-31T08:19:24Z","speaker_name":null},{"id":"seg_100984_160","meeting_id":"100984","media_asset_id":"med_100984_9391a0b242491ea1","agenda_item_id":null,"speaker_id":"spk_100984_applicant_2","speaker_confidence":0.8,"start_sec":3295.45,"end_sec":3311.45,"text":"If I can quickly add, so right here is the street where this will be visible. Um this this is Bradford here. From this side Oh, sorry. It's not. Oh, perfect.","topics_json":"[\"zoning\"]","vector_id":"vec_seg_100984_160","created_at":"2026-10-31T08:19:25Z","speaker_name":null},{"id":"seg_100984_161","meeting_id":"100984","media_asset_id":"med_100984_9391a0b242491ea1","agenda_item_id":null,"speaker_id":"spk_100984_applicant_2","speaker_confidence":0.8,"start_sec":3311.95,"end_sec":3331.45,"text":"Perfect. So, we would like the fence here so that we can protect the equipment. However, another option would be to to cover the fences also to plant trees, arborvitae bushes, whatever the mission or to landscape along this route from the building out, which would completely hide the fence. That's another option.","topics_json":"[\"zoning\"]","vector_id":"vec_seg_100984_161","created_at":"2026-10-31T08:19:25Z","speaker_name":null},{"id":"seg_100984_162","meeting_id":"100984","media_asset_id":"med_100984_9391a0b242491ea1","agenda_item_id":null,"speaker_id":"spk_100984_board_member_2","speaker_confidence":0.8,"start_sec":3343.45,"end_sec":3355.45,"text":"Would you be willing to put in a fence that's similar to what is just in a picket type of fence versus the chain link?","topics_json":"[\"zoning\"]","vector_id":"vec_seg_100984_162","created_at":"2026-10-31T08:19:25Z","speaker_name":null},{"id":"seg_100984_163","meeting_id":"100984","media_asset_id":"med_100984_9391a0b242491ea1","agenda_item_id":null,"speaker_id":"spk_100984_applicant","speaker_confidence":0.85,"start_sec":3355.95,"end_sec":3362.95,"text":"I I do believe that's kind of what the AI uh depicted in the pictures that we had, and I don't see why not.","topics_json":"[\"zoning\"]","vector_id":"vec_seg_100984_163","created_at":"2026-10-31T08:19:25Z","speaker_name":null},{"id":"seg_100984_164","meeting_id":"100984","media_asset_id":"med_100984_9391a0b242491ea1","agenda_item_id":null,"speaker_id":"spk_100984_board_member_2","speaker_confidence":0.8,"start_sec":3365.15,"end_sec":3376.15,"text":"I think that would help with the historic look because chain-link fences are, even though they're black, not pretty.","topics_json":"[\"zoning\"]","vector_id":"vec_seg_100984_164","created_at":"2026-10-31T08:19:25Z","speaker_name":null},{"id":"seg_100984_165","meeting_id":"100984","media_asset_id":"med_100984_9391a0b242491ea1","agenda_item_id":null,"speaker_id":"spk_100984_applicant","speaker_confidence":0.85,"start_sec":3376.15,"end_sec":3377.15,"text":"Yes, ma'am. Absolutely.","topics_json":"[\"zoning\"]","vector_id":"vec_seg_100984_165","created_at":"2026-10-31T08:19:25Z","speaker_name":null},{"id":"seg_100984_166","meeting_id":"100984","media_asset_id":"med_100984_9391a0b242491ea1","agenda_item_id":null,"speaker_id":"spk_100984_board_member_1","speaker_confidence":0.8,"start_sec":3377.15,"end_sec":3383.95,"text":"If we can, can we get those specifications on the fence that they intend to install so we can visually get an approval?","topics_json":"[\"zoning\"]","vector_id":"vec_seg_100984_166","created_at":"2026-10-31T08:19:25Z","speaker_name":null},{"id":"seg_100984_167","meeting_id":"100984","media_asset_id":"med_100984_9391a0b242491ea1","agenda_item_id":null,"speaker_id":"spk_100984_board_member_2","speaker_confidence":0.8,"start_sec":3387.15,"end_sec":3412.95,"text":"And um the the excellence of the curving fence uh at 26 Bradford, which is sincerely admired, uh and that level of ship uh may not be necessarily uh uh common nowadays, but it's what we need to","topics_json":"[\"zoning\"]","vector_id":"vec_seg_100984_167","created_at":"2026-10-31T08:19:25Z","speaker_name":null},{"id":"seg_100984_168","meeting_id":"100984","media_asset_id":"med_100984_9391a0b242491ea1","agenda_item_id":null,"speaker_id":"spk_100984_board_member_1","speaker_confidence":0.8,"start_sec":3417.45,"end_sec":3422.95,"text":"All right, does uh you have any other questions, Susan, John? Okay, thank you very much. Appreciate it. Like we said, if you can send us some specifications.","topics_json":"[\"zoning\"]","vector_id":"vec_seg_100984_168","created_at":"2026-10-31T08:19:25Z","speaker_name":null},{"id":"seg_100984_169","meeting_id":"100984","media_asset_id":"med_100984_9391a0b242491ea1","agenda_item_id":null,"speaker_id":"spk_100984_applicant","speaker_confidence":0.85,"start_sec":3426.95,"end_sec":3429.45,"text":"All right, that's it? Thank you guys. Appreciate your time.","topics_json":"[\"zoning\"]","vector_id":"vec_seg_100984_169","created_at":"2026-10-31T08:19:25Z","speaker_name":null},{"id":"seg_100984_17","meeting_id":"100984","media_asset_id":"med_100984_9391a0b242491ea1","agenda_item_id":null,"speaker_id":"spk_100984_historic_district_commission_member","speaker_confidence":0.7,"start_sec":126,"end_sec":145.8,"text":"Uh there was, um, on page 4, Mr. Richie's name is spelled incorrectly. And I can't find it now, but the word homage was spelled homige instead of h-o-m-a-g-e. They spelled o-m-i-g-e versus h-o.","topics_json":"[]","vector_id":"vec_seg_100984_17","created_at":"2026-10-31T08:19:24Z","speaker_name":null},{"id":"seg_100984_170","meeting_id":"100984","media_asset_id":"med_100984_9391a0b242491ea1","agenda_item_id":null,"speaker_id":"spk_100984_board_member_1","speaker_confidence":0.8,"start_sec":3430.95,"end_sec":3434.45,"text":"Thank you. All right, comments?","topics_json":"[\"zoning\"]","vector_id":"vec_seg_100984_170","created_at":"2026-10-31T08:19:25Z","speaker_name":null},{"id":"seg_100984_171","meeting_id":"100984","media_asset_id":"med_100984_9391a0b242491ea1","agenda_item_id":null,"speaker_id":"spk_100984_board_member_2","speaker_confidence":0.8,"start_sec":3438.45,"end_sec":3462.15,"text":"My only comment is Well, we approved a fence for the new West Street park, parking lot to go around their HVAC. And was that similar I I feel like that's very similar to what the fire department is putting in there, so that would be my recommendation.","topics_json":"[\"zoning\"]","vector_id":"vec_seg_100984_171","created_at":"2026-10-31T08:19:25Z","speaker_name":null},{"id":"seg_100984_172","meeting_id":"100984","media_asset_id":"med_100984_9391a0b242491ea1","agenda_item_id":null,"speaker_id":"spk_100984_board_member_1","speaker_confidence":0.8,"start_sec":3462.15,"end_sec":3480.75,"text":"Yeah, I agree. Because originally they were going to do a chain-link fence on the back side of the uh parking garage. And that was visible from Bradford Street, and then we asked them to do ornamental. They switched it over to ornamental, and that's covered on that side. No, they yes, they definitely want to have it there. So that would be my preference.","topics_json":"[\"zoning\"]","vector_id":"vec_seg_100984_172","created_at":"2026-10-31T08:19:25Z","speaker_name":null},{"id":"seg_100984_173","meeting_id":"100984","media_asset_id":"med_100984_9391a0b242491ea1","agenda_item_id":null,"speaker_id":"spk_100984_board_member_2","speaker_confidence":0.8,"start_sec":3482.45,"end_sec":3484.75,"text":"It is It's a small world.","topics_json":"[\"zoning\"]","vector_id":"vec_seg_100984_173","created_at":"2026-10-31T08:19:25Z","speaker_name":null},{"id":"seg_100984_174","meeting_id":"100984","media_asset_id":"med_100984_9391a0b242491ea1","agenda_item_id":null,"speaker_id":"spk_100984_board_member_1","speaker_confidence":0.8,"start_sec":3485.75,"end_sec":3510.45,"text":"Well, it's a good example where we've had a similar situation in a situation where they're right. I mean, because this this is pretty big. I mean, this is what, 55 by 22, and each of the AC units are actually 6 ft tall. 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All right, so any other comments or anything before we forward a motion here? I'm not telling everyone forward a motion, you know, we'll continue or that's up to you. Okay, I'll uh forward a motion that we approve","topics_json":"[\"zoning\"]","vector_id":"vec_seg_100984_179","created_at":"2026-10-31T08:19:25Z","speaker_name":null},{"id":"seg_100984_18","meeting_id":"100984","media_asset_id":"med_100984_9391a0b242491ea1","agenda_item_id":null,"speaker_id":"spk_100984_chair","speaker_confidence":0.8,"start_sec":145.9,"end_sec":147.1,"text":"All right.","topics_json":"[]","vector_id":"vec_seg_100984_18","created_at":"2026-10-31T08:19:24Z","speaker_name":null},{"id":"seg_100984_180","meeting_id":"100984","media_asset_id":"med_100984_9391a0b242491ea1","agenda_item_id":null,"speaker_id":"spk_100984_board_member_1","speaker_confidence":0.8,"start_sec":3568.95,"end_sec":3604.45,"text":"I forward a motion that we approve HI-26- that's a conditional approval. Uh HI-26-04 uh with fence permit number 26-125046 South Bradford Street to modify the change the fencing from a chain link fence to a ornamental fence of 6 ft, and to install shrubbery or trees in order to cover a fence from view Bradford Bradford Street.","topics_json":"[\"zoning\"]","vector_id":"vec_seg_100984_180","created_at":"2026-10-31T08:19:25Z","speaker_name":null},{"id":"seg_100984_181","meeting_id":"100984","media_asset_id":"med_100984_9391a0b242491ea1","agenda_item_id":null,"speaker_id":"spk_100984_board_member_1","speaker_confidence":0.8,"start_sec":3606.45,"end_sec":3609.15,"text":"Any other questions or anything?","topics_json":"[\"zoning\"]","vector_id":"vec_seg_100984_181","created_at":"2026-10-31T08:19:25Z","speaker_name":null},{"id":"seg_100984_182","meeting_id":"100984","media_asset_id":"med_100984_9391a0b242491ea1","agenda_item_id":null,"speaker_id":"spk_100984_board_member_2","speaker_confidence":0.8,"start_sec":3610.75,"end_sec":3612.45,"text":"I'll second it.","topics_json":"[\"zoning\"]","vector_id":"vec_seg_100984_182","created_at":"2026-10-31T08:19:25Z","speaker_name":null},{"id":"seg_100984_183","meeting_id":"100984","media_asset_id":"med_100984_9391a0b242491ea1","agenda_item_id":null,"speaker_id":"spk_100984_board_member_1","speaker_confidence":0.8,"start_sec":3613.45,"end_sec":3615.75,"text":"All in favor? 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We're a participating member, uh but no forward movement on any kind of um details on on on grant opportunities at at this point. Um so I don't have anything for you on that. And then moving into the implementation of the 20 uh 19 Comprehensive Plan,","topics_json":"[\"zoning\"]","vector_id":"vec_seg_100984_186","created_at":"2026-10-31T08:19:25Z","speaker_name":"Dawn Melson-Williams"},{"id":"seg_100984_187","meeting_id":"100984","media_asset_id":"med_100984_9391a0b242491ea1","agenda_item_id":null,"speaker_id":"spk_100984_dawn_melson_williams","speaker_confidence":0.95,"start_sec":3703.04,"end_sec":3733.11,"text":"I think I mentioned before that the city is a participating entity with the uh State Housing Authority uh related to land use and housing reform. Um stay tuned in September. Our the consultant team that's been working with the city um will be reporting out some information about what they're seeing as regulatory barriers in um in our current code, and","topics_json":"[\"housing\",\"zoning\"]","vector_id":"vec_seg_100984_187","created_at":"2026-10-31T08:19:25Z","speaker_name":"Dawn Melson-Williams"},{"id":"seg_100984_188","meeting_id":"100984","media_asset_id":"med_100984_9391a0b242491ea1","agenda_item_id":null,"speaker_id":"spk_100984_dawn_melson_williams","speaker_confidence":0.95,"start_sec":3733.18,"end_sec":3762.28,"text":"we are working towards planning a public outreach um type opportunity, so we will certainly um make you aware of that when it happens. Ultimately, this may lead to provision changes in our zoning ordinance. Um you do have some housing in the historic district of a variety of types, uh so it may be of interest to you to kind of participate as as those things move forward. Um","topics_json":"[\"housing\",\"zoning\"]","vector_id":"vec_seg_100984_188","created_at":"2026-10-31T08:19:25Z","speaker_name":"Dawn Melson-Williams"},{"id":"seg_100984_189","meeting_id":"100984","media_asset_id":"med_100984_9391a0b242491ea1","agenda_item_id":null,"speaker_id":"spk_100984_dawn_melson_williams","speaker_confidence":0.9,"start_sec":3762.54,"end_sec":3770.51,"text":"and the tornado warning, it was actually to the south of here, these housing. Just that's why everybody's phone was going off, so don't worry.","topics_json":"[\"public_safety\"]","vector_id":"vec_seg_100984_189","created_at":"2026-10-31T08:19:25Z","speaker_name":"Dawn Melson-Williams"},{"id":"seg_100984_19","meeting_id":"100984","media_asset_id":"med_100984_9391a0b242491ea1","agenda_item_id":null,"speaker_id":"spk_100984_historic_district_commission_member","speaker_confidence":0.7,"start_sec":147.1,"end_sec":159,"text":"Other than that, that's what I have.","topics_json":"[]","vector_id":"vec_seg_100984_19","created_at":"2026-10-31T08:19:24Z","speaker_name":null},{"id":"seg_100984_190","meeting_id":"100984","media_asset_id":"med_100984_9391a0b242491ea1","agenda_item_id":null,"speaker_id":"spk_100984_dawn_melson_williams","speaker_confidence":0.95,"start_sec":3774.46,"end_sec":3828.51,"text":"Uh so, Mr. Chair, the the next thing on your agenda is the public comment opportunity, um and that is the opportunity that we give um the members of the public uh to share with the Historic District Commission uh anything that's not specifically tied to a public hearing. Um The uh staff would note that there be the staff and one observer here in the room, uh and the only other participant that's joined us online is the uh is the fire chief, Chief Carey. Um so I don't know if either one of those individuals have any uh comments during that public comment opportunity. Um They're shaking no.","topics_json":"[]","vector_id":"vec_seg_100984_190","created_at":"2026-10-31T08:19:25Z","speaker_name":"Dawn Melson-Williams"},{"id":"seg_100984_191","meeting_id":"100984","media_asset_id":"med_100984_9391a0b242491ea1","agenda_item_id":null,"speaker_id":"spk_100984_dawn_melson_williams","speaker_confidence":0.95,"start_sec":3829.68,"end_sec":3835.25,"text":"I'm not seeing anything from from the chief um at this point on that, so I believe that would conclude your business today.","topics_json":"[]","vector_id":"vec_seg_100984_191","created_at":"2026-10-31T08:19:25Z","speaker_name":"Dawn Melson-Williams"},{"id":"seg_100984_192","meeting_id":"100984","media_asset_id":"med_100984_9391a0b242491ea1","agenda_item_id":null,"speaker_id":"spk_100984_commission_chair","speaker_confidence":0.9,"start_sec":3835.64,"end_sec":3837.32,"text":"All right, thank you, Dawn. Can we get a motion to adjourn?","topics_json":"[]","vector_id":"vec_seg_100984_192","created_at":"2026-10-31T08:19:25Z","speaker_name":null},{"id":"seg_100984_193","meeting_id":"100984","media_asset_id":"med_100984_9391a0b242491ea1","agenda_item_id":null,"speaker_id":"spk_100984_commission_member","speaker_confidence":0.9,"start_sec":3837.58,"end_sec":3877.76,"text":"Wait. I have a question. Yeah, sorry about that. Go ahead. I don't know whether this wait wait this question comes after adjournment or before, but it's a question about next month's meeting is on the same day as the ribbon cutting for the Family Court, which I intend to attend, and that's at 2:30. Yes.","topics_json":"[]","vector_id":"vec_seg_100984_193","created_at":"2026-10-31T08:19:25Z","speaker_name":null},{"id":"seg_100984_194","meeting_id":"100984","media_asset_id":"med_100984_9391a0b242491ea1","agenda_item_id":null,"speaker_id":"spk_100984_dawn_melson_williams","speaker_confidence":0.95,"start_sec":3878.28,"end_sec":3890.6,"text":"So staff is aware of that um ribbon cutting that day. We've also received the invite. Um we will have um applications for review at your September meeting. Uh so we are proposing to move the meeting time back to um 4:00.","topics_json":"[]","vector_id":"vec_seg_100984_194","created_at":"2026-10-31T08:19:25Z","speaker_name":"Dawn Melson-Williams"},{"id":"seg_100984_195","meeting_id":"100984","media_asset_id":"med_100984_9391a0b242491ea1","agenda_item_id":null,"speaker_id":"spk_100984_commission_member","speaker_confidence":0.9,"start_sec":3891.7,"end_sec":3892.41,"text":"Thank you.","topics_json":"[]","vector_id":"vec_seg_100984_195","created_at":"2026-10-31T08:19:25Z","speaker_name":null},{"id":"seg_100984_196","meeting_id":"100984","media_asset_id":"med_100984_9391a0b242491ea1","agenda_item_id":null,"speaker_id":"spk_100984_commission_chair","speaker_confidence":0.9,"start_sec":3892.61,"end_sec":3895.78,"text":"It's a very good question. Thank you for bringing that up. Thank you. Any other comments before we adjourn?","topics_json":"[]","vector_id":"vec_seg_100984_196","created_at":"2026-10-31T08:19:25Z","speaker_name":null},{"id":"seg_100984_197","meeting_id":"100984","media_asset_id":"med_100984_9391a0b242491ea1","agenda_item_id":null,"speaker_id":"spk_100984_commission_member","speaker_confidence":0.9,"start_sec":3896.95,"end_sec":3898.05,"text":"I move we adjourn.","topics_json":"[]","vector_id":"vec_seg_100984_197","created_at":"2026-10-31T08:19:25Z","speaker_name":null},{"id":"seg_100984_198","meeting_id":"100984","media_asset_id":"med_100984_9391a0b242491ea1","agenda_item_id":null,"speaker_id":"spk_100984_commission_member_2","speaker_confidence":0.8,"start_sec":3898.76,"end_sec":3899.47,"text":"Second.","topics_json":"[]","vector_id":"vec_seg_100984_198","created_at":"2026-10-31T08:19:25Z","speaker_name":null},{"id":"seg_100984_199","meeting_id":"100984","media_asset_id":"med_100984_9391a0b242491ea1","agenda_item_id":null,"speaker_id":"spk_100984_commission_chair","speaker_confidence":0.9,"start_sec":3899.8,"end_sec":3901.09,"text":"All in favor say aye.","topics_json":"[]","vector_id":"vec_seg_100984_199","created_at":"2026-10-31T08:19:25Z","speaker_name":null},{"id":"seg_100984_2","meeting_id":"100984","media_asset_id":"med_100984_9391a0b242491ea1","agenda_item_id":null,"speaker_id":"spk_100984_chair","speaker_confidence":0.8,"start_sec":53,"end_sec":66.8,"text":"All right, thank you very much. I'd like to welcome everybody to today's meeting of the Historic District Commission for August 20th, 2024. I hope everybody had a good summer. Uh can we start off with the roll call, please?","topics_json":"[]","vector_id":"vec_seg_100984_2","created_at":"2026-10-31T08:19:24Z","speaker_name":null},{"id":"seg_100984_20","meeting_id":"100984","media_asset_id":"med_100984_9391a0b242491ea1","agenda_item_id":null,"speaker_id":"spk_100984_chair","speaker_confidence":0.8,"start_sec":159.2,"end_sec":164.5,"text":"All right, so uh can we uh get approval with the noted corrections?","topics_json":"[]","vector_id":"vec_seg_100984_20","created_at":"2026-10-31T08:19:24Z","speaker_name":null},{"id":"seg_100984_200","meeting_id":"100984","media_asset_id":"med_100984_9391a0b242491ea1","agenda_item_id":null,"speaker_id":"spk_100984_commission_member","speaker_confidence":0.85,"start_sec":3900.71,"end_sec":3901.22,"text":"Aye.","topics_json":"[]","vector_id":"vec_seg_100984_200","created_at":"2026-10-31T08:19:25Z","speaker_name":null},{"id":"seg_100984_201","meeting_id":"100984","media_asset_id":"med_100984_9391a0b242491ea1","agenda_item_id":null,"speaker_id":"spk_100984_commission_chair","speaker_confidence":0.9,"start_sec":3901.29,"end_sec":3902.91,"text":"All against? All right, have a good day.","topics_json":"[]","vector_id":"vec_seg_100984_201","created_at":"2026-10-31T08:19:25Z","speaker_name":null},{"id":"seg_100984_202","meeting_id":"100984","media_asset_id":"med_100984_9391a0b242491ea1","agenda_item_id":null,"speaker_id":"spk_100984_dawn_melson_williams","speaker_confidence":0.95,"start_sec":3903.17,"end_sec":3906.15,"text":"All right, thank you for joining us. This concludes the Historic District Commission meeting for today.","topics_json":"[]","vector_id":"vec_seg_100984_202","created_at":"2026-10-31T08:19:25Z","speaker_name":"Dawn Melson-Williams"},{"id":"seg_100984_21","meeting_id":"100984","media_asset_id":"med_100984_9391a0b242491ea1","agenda_item_id":null,"speaker_id":"spk_100984_historic_district_commission_member","speaker_confidence":0.7,"start_sec":164.8,"end_sec":168.6,"text":"I move that we accept with the noted corrections.","topics_json":"[]","vector_id":"vec_seg_100984_21","created_at":"2026-10-31T08:19:24Z","speaker_name":null},{"id":"seg_100984_22","meeting_id":"100984","media_asset_id":"med_100984_9391a0b242491ea1","agenda_item_id":null,"speaker_id":"spk_100984_historic_district_commission_member","speaker_confidence":0.7,"start_sec":168.7,"end_sec":169.8,"text":"Second.","topics_json":"[]","vector_id":"vec_seg_100984_22","created_at":"2026-10-31T08:19:24Z","speaker_name":null},{"id":"seg_100984_23","meeting_id":"100984","media_asset_id":"med_100984_9391a0b242491ea1","agenda_item_id":null,"speaker_id":"spk_100984_chair","speaker_confidence":0.8,"start_sec":170,"end_sec":181.7,"text":"All in favor say aye. Opposed? All right, so the minutes are approved for July 16, 2024.","topics_json":"[]","vector_id":"vec_seg_100984_23","created_at":"2026-10-31T08:19:24Z","speaker_name":null},{"id":"seg_100984_24","meeting_id":"100984","media_asset_id":"med_100984_9391a0b242491ea1","agenda_item_id":null,"speaker_id":"spk_100984_chair","speaker_confidence":0.8,"start_sec":181.8,"end_sec":186.8,"text":"All right, let's move on to communications and reports. Uh summary of activity.","topics_json":"[]","vector_id":"vec_seg_100984_24","created_at":"2026-10-31T08:19:24Z","speaker_name":null},{"id":"seg_100984_25","meeting_id":"100984","media_asset_id":"med_100984_9391a0b242491ea1","agenda_item_id":null,"speaker_id":"spk_100984_dawn_melson_williams","speaker_confidence":1,"start_sec":187.3,"end_sec":245.9,"text":"So this is Dawn with the planning office. First under the summary of activity, we have a summary of applications focusing on uh 2024 here. Uh today you will uh be considering uh items that have been assigned uh numbers uh 3 and 4 for the calendar year, uh but you've actually seen five applications you will have seen. Total of five applications as one was a revision that uh revisited you in June and July. Um that those uh items are specifically listed here for 2024. Um this seems to be the year of referral of permits uh before you at this point in time. Uh happy to answer any questions on on those permits at this point, or those applications.","topics_json":"[\"zoning\"]","vector_id":"vec_seg_100984_25","created_at":"2026-10-31T08:19:24Z","speaker_name":"Dawn Melson-Williams"},{"id":"seg_100984_26","meeting_id":"100984","media_asset_id":"med_100984_9391a0b242491ea1","agenda_item_id":null,"speaker_id":"spk_100984_dawn_melson_williams","speaker_confidence":1,"start_sec":246.3,"end_sec":341.2,"text":"If there are no questions on that, I will move to our next um summary, and that is a summary of the architectural review certifications um for 2024. This is where we track permit activities within the historic district zone. Uh and this uh listing table gives us uh those permits within the uh historic district area through the end of July. Uh there have been a total of 29 um permits that uh we have reviewed uh for activities. Uh the highest ones include uh some building exterior ones and fences followed by some roof permits. Uh 23 of those permits were able to be reviewed by staff under the authority given to us in the zoning ordinance, and there were six that had some involvement with the Historic District um Commission. Um the July activities um that were added to this uh probably most notably was the siding permit related to 108 South Governors Avenue, um and also some pending porch work at that same location. Are are there any questions on the permits that have been um issued here in the historic district?","topics_json":"[\"zoning\"]","vector_id":"vec_seg_100984_26","created_at":"2026-10-31T08:19:24Z","speaker_name":"Dawn Melson-Williams"},{"id":"seg_100984_27","meeting_id":"100984","media_asset_id":"med_100984_9391a0b242491ea1","agenda_item_id":null,"speaker_id":"spk_100984_dawn_melson_williams","speaker_confidence":1,"start_sec":342.3,"end_sec":427.6,"text":"Seeing that there are no questions regarding that, um staff will move right into the Department of Planning and Inspections update. Um that one of the key updates for you is that um we now also have a Planner II on staff, and that is Chris Saldana. Uh Chris was with the city um about a year ago and has rejoined our staff uh in recent weeks since your last meeting. Um and in case you didn't meet him last time, we had um Alex Dewey, who is a Planner I with the city. Um he's still with us, yay. Um so have some a little bit more staff in the planning office. With that, that is the updates I have for you at this point.","topics_json":"[]","vector_id":"vec_seg_100984_27","created_at":"2026-10-31T08:19:24Z","speaker_name":"Dawn Melson-Williams"},{"id":"seg_100984_28","meeting_id":"100984","media_asset_id":"med_100984_9391a0b242491ea1","agenda_item_id":null,"speaker_id":"spk_100984_chair","speaker_confidence":0.8,"start_sec":427.8,"end_sec":433.8,"text":"All right, thank you. Any other questions? Uh so next item is new business.","topics_json":"[]","vector_id":"vec_seg_100984_28","created_at":"2026-10-31T08:19:24Z","speaker_name":null},{"id":"seg_100984_29","meeting_id":"100984","media_asset_id":"med_100984_9391a0b242491ea1","agenda_item_id":null,"speaker_id":"spk_100984_dawn_melson_williams","speaker_confidence":1,"start_sec":433.9,"end_sec":441.7,"text":"Yes, there's two new applications. Um we always place new business the referral permits under new business.","topics_json":"[]","vector_id":"vec_seg_100984_29","created_at":"2026-10-31T08:19:24Z","speaker_name":"Dawn Melson-Williams"},{"id":"seg_100984_3","meeting_id":"100984","media_asset_id":"med_100984_9391a0b242491ea1","agenda_item_id":null,"speaker_id":"spk_100984_city_clerk","speaker_confidence":0.8,"start_sec":67.8,"end_sec":70,"text":"Ms. Horsey?","topics_json":"[]","vector_id":"vec_seg_100984_3","created_at":"2026-10-31T08:19:24Z","speaker_name":"City Clerk"},{"id":"seg_100984_30","meeting_id":"100984","media_asset_id":"med_100984_9391a0b242491ea1","agenda_item_id":null,"speaker_id":"spk_100984_chair","speaker_confidence":0.8,"start_sec":441.9,"end_sec":479.9,"text":"I got you. All right, so let's move on to new business. Review of permits referred to commission. All right, the first one to do today is HI-24-03, referral fence, fence permit number 24-1225 at 103 South Governors Ave.","topics_json":"[\"zoning\"]","vector_id":"vec_seg_100984_30","created_at":"2026-10-31T08:19:24Z","speaker_name":null},{"id":"seg_100984_31","meeting_id":"100984","media_asset_id":"med_100984_9391a0b242491ea1","agenda_item_id":null,"speaker_id":"spk_100984_dawn_melson_williams","speaker_confidence":1,"start_sec":480,"end_sec":531,"text":"So how this'll work with the referral permits, staff will give an introduction of the um of the request. Uh the applicant will be given an opportunity to speak, and then we'll move into um any questions that the commission members may have of the particular um application to staff or to the applicant. Uh with a referral of permit, there is not a requirement for a public hearing. Um but it is really it's a consultation with the Historic District Commission in regards to being able to issue what is called the architectural review certification, uh which is the process of review for activities in the historic district.","topics_json":"[\"zoning\"]","vector_id":"vec_seg_100984_31","created_at":"2026-10-31T08:19:25Z","speaker_name":"Dawn Melson-Williams"},{"id":"seg_100984_32","meeting_id":"100984","media_asset_id":"med_100984_9391a0b242491ea1","agenda_item_id":null,"speaker_id":"spk_100984_dawn_melson_williams","speaker_confidence":1,"start_sec":531.6,"end_sec":674.2,"text":"So, um beginning with this first uh fence permit, um 16 uh 1225, uh this is 103 South Governors Avenue. I'm going to bring up the uh location drawing for this. Uh this is actually a series of parcels uh there at the corner of Governors Avenue, Reed Street, and South Bradford Street, uh where we find uh the Dover Fire Department, uh their building Station 1, uh and the associated parking lot areas. Uh the fence permit that is uh been submitted by the fire department is to um place a fence uh to enclose their parking lots. There are two parking lot areas, one to the east of the building as you move along Reed Street towards uh South Bradford Street, and then a second parking lot area that has frontage on South Governors Avenue to the south of the building. In their permit submission, they are uh proposing a 6-foot tall black ornamental or metal fence uh to surround these parking areas, intending to be installed in what is a kind of a curb line that we find in those parking lots. They are also proposing uh vehicle gates at the entrance points. These parking lots have several points of access for um from vehicles.","topics_json":"[\"zoning\",\"public_safety\"]","vector_id":"vec_seg_100984_32","created_at":"2026-10-31T08:19:25Z","speaker_name":"Dawn Melson-Williams"},{"id":"seg_100984_33","meeting_id":"100984","media_asset_id":"med_100984_9391a0b242491ea1","agenda_item_id":null,"speaker_id":"spk_100984_dawn_melson_williams","speaker_confidence":1,"start_sec":683.7,"end_sec":771.6,"text":"The reason it's here before the Historic District Commission um as part of the architectural review certification, uh we're looking at activities that are visible from public view, and that is visible from a public street. Um and we've got three public streets um surrounding this property. Uh that uh causes us to go to the design standards and guidelines for the City of Dover Historic District Zone. Uh that specific document um guides staff and the Historic District Commission and Planning Commission in reviewing activity in the historic district. Uh specifically related to fences, there's a discussion in chapter 3, um and that uh very specifically says that fences uh should not exceed 4 feet in height uh in the historic district zone. Uh that chapter also focuses on the um more appropriate materials for for fences, um and so those two things are kind of part of our discussions today.","topics_json":"[\"zoning\"]","vector_id":"vec_seg_100984_33","created_at":"2026-10-31T08:19:25Z","speaker_name":"Dawn Melson-Williams"},{"id":"seg_100984_34","meeting_id":"100984","media_asset_id":"med_100984_9391a0b242491ea1","agenda_item_id":null,"speaker_id":"spk_100984_dawn_melson_williams","speaker_confidence":1,"start_sec":772.3,"end_sec":834.4,"text":"Uh with fences, our zoning ordinance also includes provisions that uh give us guidance on the height of fences. In a front yard area, fences would be limited to 4 feet. Uh technically, in how this property is zoned, um there is no front yard setback minimum, um but for the balance of the property, uh fences are allowed to, under zoning provisions, uh for a nonresidential property be as tall as um eight as 8 feet in in in height. Uh the other thing our zoning ordinance talks about is when you have two street intersections come together um in corner visibility area where the height is limited uh to ensure that you can uh as you approach that intersection, uh see that secondary street.","topics_json":"[\"zoning\"]","vector_id":"vec_seg_100984_34","created_at":"2026-10-31T08:19:25Z","speaker_name":"Dawn Melson-Williams"},{"id":"seg_100984_35","meeting_id":"100984","media_asset_id":"med_100984_9391a0b242491ea1","agenda_item_id":null,"speaker_id":"spk_100984_dawn_melson_williams","speaker_confidence":1,"start_sec":835.6,"end_sec":903.98,"text":"Uh so today the Historic District Commission is considering the fence project, um and in our report uh we gave in our key findings in reviewing the permit, uh the fence obviously is to surround parking lot areas. It is all it is visible from the adjacent public streets. Uh for the height, and this is part of the um deliberation today, it is proposed at 6 feet, where the standards for the Historic District Commission would suggest that fences should be no taller than 4 feet in height, um but because it's coming before this body, uh you have the ability to consider alternatives um to that that 4 feet that's in your guidelines. Uh the fence material um as depicted by the applicant is a black ornamental steel. Um staff did have some additional questions about the formal uh style of that fence, if it's picket and um and how that uh is being proposed. Um I believe we'll hear from the applicant on that. And um in our report we also gave uh some recommendations uh related to this fence enclosure, noting that it is visible from the various streets. Uh there are gate opportunities, and those are set back from the um the intersection with the street, so there's a little bit of an entrance space before a vehicle would reach the the gate system. Um seeking some clarification on the the format of that gate, um as if it's going to be a sliding function or something that swings. The uh fence at the intersection of South Bradford Street and uh Reed Street, we're looking for a little bit of clarification about where exactly that fence is to be placed, as the property line is kind of right along the sidewalk, however the the curb line of the parking lot is on the west side of uh several trees in that area, so just to clarify where the fence would be located for that segment specifically. Um planning staff is recommending approval of the the fence, uh noting the uh materials are something that could be considered here in the historic district, and we're looking at the um 6-foot height as a um a byproduct of the intention for this to provide some additional security at the at the location, a location there. Um we did have one additional question about um there is an existing fence line um that is the south edge of the, we call it the the Governors Avenue um parking lot piece. Currently there is a chain link fence there of um somewhat questionable probably uh condition. Um I believe it is a the regular steel-colored fencing. Uh we were looking for clarification about whether that fence would be removed, um and what that entails with this project. Um we're certainly recommending that uh if you're improving fencing that that should be that area should also be included in the the permit submission itself. Uh so the uh planning or the Historic District Commission was provided this staff review report along with a series of exhibit items including the permit submission,","topics_json":"[\"zoning\",\"public_safety\"]","vector_id":"vec_seg_100984_35","created_at":"2026-10-31T08:19:25Z","speaker_name":"Dawn Melson-Williams"},{"id":"seg_100984_36","meeting_id":"100984","media_asset_id":"med_100984_9391a0b242491ea1","agenda_item_id":null,"speaker_id":"spk_100984_dawn_melson_williams","speaker_confidence":0.95,"start_sec":903.98,"end_sec":919.97,"text":"um a fence guidelines and a number of kind of street view shots that we've pulled from online to give you a sense of the various views of um these fenced areas. So Mr. Chair, at this point I think it would be appropriate to hear from the applicant. We have a representative here today um and then we can move into questions before um the Commission takes action.","topics_json":"[\"zoning\"]","vector_id":"vec_seg_100984_36","created_at":"2026-10-31T08:19:25Z","speaker_name":"Dawn Melson-Williams"},{"id":"seg_100984_37","meeting_id":"100984","media_asset_id":"med_100984_9391a0b242491ea1","agenda_item_id":null,"speaker_id":"spk_100984_chair","speaker_confidence":0.85,"start_sec":919.97,"end_sec":922.44,"text":"All right. If you want to come down and state your name, please. Thank you.","topics_json":"[]","vector_id":"vec_seg_100984_37","created_at":"2026-10-31T08:19:25Z","speaker_name":null},{"id":"seg_100984_38","meeting_id":"100984","media_asset_id":"med_100984_9391a0b242491ea1","agenda_item_id":null,"speaker_id":"spk_100984_brian_bashista","speaker_confidence":0.95,"start_sec":924.42,"end_sec":927.73,"text":"Good afternoon. My name is Brian Bashista, Dover Fire Department.","topics_json":"[\"public_safety\"]","vector_id":"vec_seg_100984_38","created_at":"2026-10-31T08:19:25Z","speaker_name":"Brian Bashista"},{"id":"seg_100984_39","meeting_id":"100984","media_asset_id":"med_100984_9391a0b242491ea1","agenda_item_id":null,"speaker_id":"spk_100984_chair","speaker_confidence":0.85,"start_sec":928.03,"end_sec":930.68,"text":"Thank you for being here. Do you want to explain uh do you want to explain the project?","topics_json":"[\"zoning\"]","vector_id":"vec_seg_100984_39","created_at":"2026-10-31T08:19:25Z","speaker_name":null},{"id":"seg_100984_4","meeting_id":"100984","media_asset_id":"med_100984_9391a0b242491ea1","agenda_item_id":null,"speaker_id":"spk_100984_historic_district_commission_member","speaker_confidence":0.7,"start_sec":70,"end_sec":71.3,"text":"Present.","topics_json":"[]","vector_id":"vec_seg_100984_4","created_at":"2026-10-31T08:19:24Z","speaker_name":null},{"id":"seg_100984_40","meeting_id":"100984","media_asset_id":"med_100984_9391a0b242491ea1","agenda_item_id":null,"speaker_id":"spk_100984_brian_bashista","speaker_confidence":0.95,"start_sec":930.68,"end_sec":1051.59,"text":"Sure. First of all, I'd like to thank you for the opportunity to come speak to you today. I uh I've struggled with this for quite some time because I've been with the fire department almost all my life and uh the last thing, I've been Fire Chief for a long time, President for a long time, so I'm proud, and the last thing I wanted to ever see is a fence around that parking lot. And I was also the Fire Chief when we built the building and um built what we have today, right? So I I've got a lot invested in it, as does the membership. However, we find ourselves today um things have changed downtown. And uh we have issues um in the parking lot with drug activity, with uh we have numerous, numerous uh cars that have been broken into of uh of uh men and women's vehicles, and uh we have noticed long-standing on key doors for the firehouse um because people wander the building a lot of times. So, we're trying to be proactive. Um I'm sure everybody's read in the paper what's came up at City Council meetings across the campus, and um again it's it's life-saving that we have. So, the the fence itself is uh what we can talk about, I guess. So, if you're ready and","topics_json":"[\"public_safety\",\"zoning\"]","vector_id":"vec_seg_100984_40","created_at":"2026-10-31T08:19:25Z","speaker_name":"Brian Bashista"},{"id":"seg_100984_41","meeting_id":"100984","media_asset_id":"med_100984_9391a0b242491ea1","agenda_item_id":null,"speaker_id":"spk_100984_brian_bashista","speaker_confidence":0.95,"start_sec":1051.59,"end_sec":1151.88,"text":"So, this is the style fence we're looking at. Um this would go down the Reed Street side of the building, and and uh this is we go through the slide shows as we switch pictures on the screen exactly what we're talking about. Um one thing that was mentioned was on Governors Avenue, south side of the building. Um currently there's a fence there which is against the city lot, Ding Lee's Laundry, and uh that is a uh traditional fence. Um we want to replace that fence with like fence on that side of the building, um but it would be black in color so it matches everything else we're doing, um up to the awning, there's a property there. Um if you look at uh Yeah, so if you look at the right side of that picture, you can barely see in the picture where that chain link fence runs down the south side of the parking lot. Um it's old, it's bent up. It's So we're going to replace that as part of this project. I believe the city put that in when they paved that lot, and uh we're just going to replace it now ourselves. And uh that would be a black vinyl-covered similar fence to what's there today. Now, rest of the fence around the property if you can bring up the Reed Street side possibly.","topics_json":"[\"zoning\"]","vector_id":"vec_seg_100984_41","created_at":"2026-10-31T08:19:25Z","speaker_name":"Brian Bashista"},{"id":"seg_100984_42","meeting_id":"100984","media_asset_id":"med_100984_9391a0b242491ea1","agenda_item_id":null,"speaker_id":"spk_100984_brian_bashista","speaker_confidence":0.95,"start_sec":1151.88,"end_sec":1271.95,"text":"So that that that's that's a great picture. So if you look at that picture towards um burning south so looking towards Valley Forge South, um that curb falls along there. What we're looking at is we're going to mount the fence actually on the top of that curb. So it wouldn't be near the tree line, it would be the sidewalk. It would be actually on the curb itself. And it would go following the curb right past Robbins Band, right to the corner and follow the curb all the way around the parking lot towards the Ingrams property. And then at the back side it's hard to see here, but there's a carport in back of Robbins. And there's actually a a six-foot fence very similar to the one that is in back the Ingrams property, across the back of the house back where these guys park when they're supposed to work back there. So there's a very similar fence to what we're looking at uh on on that Donnelly gas. Um we did meet with the Reverend um at the neighbors. She's up with Dallis and uh spoke about it and they wanted pretty much anything. They were for security. Thank you. Um again, this this really has to do with safety. Um our team members and firefighters because uh you know, we come and go at all times of day and night. And uh there's a lot of things going on there. Um we've had uh well, we've had people living where the trash can stored. We've had people living where the air conditioning got drunk, stuff on the ground, you know, and uh we're just trying to protect ourselves. That's what this for us.","topics_json":"[\"public_safety\",\"homelessness\",\"zoning\"]","vector_id":"vec_seg_100984_42","created_at":"2026-10-31T08:19:25Z","speaker_name":"Brian Bashista"},{"id":"seg_100984_43","meeting_id":"100984","media_asset_id":"med_100984_9391a0b242491ea1","agenda_item_id":null,"speaker_id":"spk_100984_chair","speaker_confidence":0.85,"start_sec":1272.55,"end_sec":1274.65,"text":"Okay. Thank you. Does anybody have any questions?","topics_json":"[]","vector_id":"vec_seg_100984_43","created_at":"2026-10-31T08:19:25Z","speaker_name":null},{"id":"seg_100984_44","meeting_id":"100984","media_asset_id":"med_100984_9391a0b242491ea1","agenda_item_id":null,"speaker_id":"spk_100984_commissioner","speaker_confidence":0.85,"start_sec":1275.25,"end_sec":1281.99,"text":"Can you describe the fence? 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Somebody actually is standing there and let the responders in or is it automated?","topics_json":"[\"public_safety\",\"zoning\"]","vector_id":"vec_seg_100984_48","created_at":"2026-10-31T08:19:25Z","speaker_name":null},{"id":"seg_100984_49","meeting_id":"100984","media_asset_id":"med_100984_9391a0b242491ea1","agenda_item_id":null,"speaker_id":"spk_100984_brian_bashista","speaker_confidence":0.95,"start_sec":1344.1,"end_sec":1416.55,"text":"How it's going to work is um when the fire siren blows, that gate is going to open for 10 minutes, and our doors are going to be unlocked. Um it goes by ours, right? So if there's a and and you have to remember today things are a little slightly different than what they once were. We don't blow the fire siren for an EMS hit because we have firefighters volunteer firefighters that stay at the firehouse on shifts. And when there is a significant fire, now and about actually 15 times a month the fire siren's blown. 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So, right here it's the the firehouse, right? So, there's going to be a gate here. It's going to open up like this for traffic. You only open that area so 25 people can get inside of it. Um we also um put in very safe gates. Some will be gates for cars. Okay. These gates So we'll have one gate there, a gate on Bradford Street. We're also going to have a gate Reed Street entry way is, just off Broadway. There's a gate planned there. Bradford Street gate will be also. So near small police So we will have all...","topics_json":"[\"zoning\"]","vector_id":"vec_seg_100984_53","created_at":"2026-10-31T08:19:25Z","speaker_name":"Brian Bashista"},{"id":"seg_100984_54","meeting_id":"100984","media_asset_id":"med_100984_9391a0b242491ea1","agenda_item_id":null,"speaker_id":"spk_100984_commissioner","speaker_confidence":0.85,"start_sec":1519.06,"end_sec":1525.37,"text":"I have to be honest with you. It's going to be ugly. 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That was all I had.","topics_json":"[]","vector_id":"vec_seg_100984_56","created_at":"2026-10-31T08:19:25Z","speaker_name":null},{"id":"seg_100984_57","meeting_id":"100984","media_asset_id":"med_100984_9391a0b242491ea1","agenda_item_id":null,"speaker_id":"spk_100984_brian_bashista","speaker_confidence":0.95,"start_sec":1536.5,"end_sec":1537.1,"text":"You're welcome.","topics_json":"[]","vector_id":"vec_seg_100984_57","created_at":"2026-10-31T08:19:25Z","speaker_name":"Brian Bashista"},{"id":"seg_100984_58","meeting_id":"100984","media_asset_id":"med_100984_9391a0b242491ea1","agenda_item_id":null,"speaker_id":"spk_100984_commissioner","speaker_confidence":0.85,"start_sec":1537.1,"end_sec":1565.66,"text":"I'm a neighbor. I live at 317 South Bradford Street. And more does happen outside of my...","topics_json":"[\"public_safety\"]","vector_id":"vec_seg_100984_58","created_at":"2026-10-31T08:19:25Z","speaker_name":null},{"id":"seg_100984_59","meeting_id":"100984","media_asset_id":"med_100984_9391a0b242491ea1","agenda_item_id":null,"speaker_id":"spk_100984_commissioner","speaker_confidence":0.85,"start_sec":1566.26,"end_sec":1575.58,"text":"Well, um with regard to uh say Reed Street gate, is that a gate that uh that opens onto what looks like a little uh a little alleyway egress next to the building?","topics_json":"[\"zoning\"]","vector_id":"vec_seg_100984_59","created_at":"2026-10-31T08:19:25Z","speaker_name":null},{"id":"seg_100984_6","meeting_id":"100984","media_asset_id":"med_100984_9391a0b242491ea1","agenda_item_id":null,"speaker_id":"spk_100984_historic_district_commission_member","speaker_confidence":0.7,"start_sec":73.2,"end_sec":74.3,"text":"Present.","topics_json":"[]","vector_id":"vec_seg_100984_6","created_at":"2026-10-31T08:19:24Z","speaker_name":null},{"id":"seg_100984_60","meeting_id":"100984","media_asset_id":"med_100984_9391a0b242491ea1","agenda_item_id":null,"speaker_id":"spk_100984_brian_bashista","speaker_confidence":0.95,"start_sec":1575.58,"end_sec":1576.66,"text":"Yes. That is Reed Street.","topics_json":"[\"zoning\"]","vector_id":"vec_seg_100984_60","created_at":"2026-10-31T08:19:25Z","speaker_name":"Brian Bashista"},{"id":"seg_100984_61","meeting_id":"100984","media_asset_id":"med_100984_9391a0b242491ea1","agenda_item_id":null,"speaker_id":"spk_100984_commissioner","speaker_confidence":0.85,"start_sec":1577.08,"end_sec":1580.09,"text":"Okay, so I think this So there are three gates then. All right. Good.","topics_json":"[\"zoning\"]","vector_id":"vec_seg_100984_61","created_at":"2026-10-31T08:19:25Z","speaker_name":null},{"id":"seg_100984_62","meeting_id":"100984","media_asset_id":"med_100984_9391a0b242491ea1","agenda_item_id":null,"speaker_id":"spk_100984_commissioner","speaker_confidence":0.85,"start_sec":1589.41,"end_sec":1594.52,"text":"I would imagine you all have considered something other than a fence. 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Has uh has there besides the uh the car thefts, have there been any other concerns that uh you um firefighters might have experienced?","topics_json":"[\"public_safety\"]","vector_id":"vec_seg_100984_64","created_at":"2026-10-31T08:19:25Z","speaker_name":null},{"id":"seg_100984_65","meeting_id":"100984","media_asset_id":"med_100984_9391a0b242491ea1","agenda_item_id":null,"speaker_id":"spk_100984_brian_bashista","speaker_confidence":0.95,"start_sec":1645.62,"end_sec":1647.13,"text":"Besides the property theft?","topics_json":"[\"public_safety\"]","vector_id":"vec_seg_100984_65","created_at":"2026-10-31T08:19:25Z","speaker_name":"Brian Bashista"},{"id":"seg_100984_66","meeting_id":"100984","media_asset_id":"med_100984_9391a0b242491ea1","agenda_item_id":null,"speaker_id":"spk_100984_commissioner","speaker_confidence":0.85,"start_sec":1647.73,"end_sec":1648.63,"text":"Well,","topics_json":"[]","vector_id":"vec_seg_100984_66","created_at":"2026-10-31T08:19:25Z","speaker_name":null},{"id":"seg_100984_67","meeting_id":"100984","media_asset_id":"med_100984_9391a0b242491ea1","agenda_item_id":null,"speaker_id":"spk_100984_brian_bashista","speaker_confidence":0.95,"start_sec":1648.63,"end_sec":1698.53,"text":"We had a young man murdered 30 ft in front of the Governors Avenue entrance about a year ago. He was chased through the city lot into firehouse lot, just as easy when they started to shoot at him. You know, and bullets This fence does not keep bullets out, but uh what one thing that I'm very afraid of is that uh we've got a lot of young firefighters, and they go out there in the middle of the night, or they go out there going out to their car, and somebody's breaking into their car, something bad's going to happen. And that's, you know, it's a concern.","topics_json":"[\"public_safety\"]","vector_id":"vec_seg_100984_67","created_at":"2026-10-31T08:19:25Z","speaker_name":"Brian Bashista"},{"id":"seg_100984_68","meeting_id":"100984","media_asset_id":"med_100984_9391a0b242491ea1","agenda_item_id":null,"speaker_id":"spk_100984_commissioner","speaker_confidence":0.85,"start_sec":1698.83,"end_sec":1705.15,"text":"Has uh has the uh transgressions continued a pace or have you noticed that they have waned as well over time?","topics_json":"[\"public_safety\"]","vector_id":"vec_seg_100984_68","created_at":"2026-10-31T08:19:25Z","speaker_name":null},{"id":"seg_100984_69","meeting_id":"100984","media_asset_id":"med_100984_9391a0b242491ea1","agenda_item_id":null,"speaker_id":"spk_100984_brian_bashista","speaker_confidence":0.95,"start_sec":1705.45,"end_sec":1770.68,"text":"I mean it's gotten worse. You know, I it's it's interesting, I think sometimes downtown so you can see how it's improved from purple and governors, right? And uh however, I would tell you that uh and and sometimes I think it's worse because of social media, right? Because we know everything today, where we didn't know everything before. But 30 years ago, I've joined the firehouse in 1984 in the fire. And uh they were still shooting on Perkins Street morning, but you didn't hear about it then, right? Today, you everybody hears about it. But the problems in that lot and the firehouse tell you have gotten worse. Um summertime is worse, right? Nice out. Winter's really cold, maybe not as worse. But um it's not being It's not It's not gotten better. And uh","topics_json":"[\"public_safety\"]","vector_id":"vec_seg_100984_69","created_at":"2026-10-31T08:19:25Z","speaker_name":"Brian Bashista"},{"id":"seg_100984_7","meeting_id":"100984","media_asset_id":"med_100984_9391a0b242491ea1","agenda_item_id":null,"speaker_id":"spk_100984_city_clerk","speaker_confidence":0.8,"start_sec":74.5,"end_sec":76.2,"text":"Ms. Stephenson?","topics_json":"[]","vector_id":"vec_seg_100984_7","created_at":"2026-10-31T08:19:24Z","speaker_name":"City Clerk"},{"id":"seg_100984_70","meeting_id":"100984","media_asset_id":"med_100984_9391a0b242491ea1","agenda_item_id":null,"speaker_id":"spk_100984_commissioner","speaker_confidence":0.85,"start_sec":1770.98,"end_sec":1772.79,"text":"Thank you for sharing that.","topics_json":"[]","vector_id":"vec_seg_100984_70","created_at":"2026-10-31T08:19:25Z","speaker_name":null},{"id":"seg_100984_71","meeting_id":"100984","media_asset_id":"med_100984_9391a0b242491ea1","agenda_item_id":null,"speaker_id":"spk_100984_brian_bashista","speaker_confidence":0.95,"start_sec":1772.79,"end_sec":1773.39,"text":"You're welcome.","topics_json":"[]","vector_id":"vec_seg_100984_71","created_at":"2026-10-31T08:19:25Z","speaker_name":"Brian Bashista"},{"id":"seg_100984_72","meeting_id":"100984","media_asset_id":"med_100984_9391a0b242491ea1","agenda_item_id":null,"speaker_id":"spk_100984_commissioner","speaker_confidence":0.85,"start_sec":1773.39,"end_sec":1777,"text":"Now just Just out of curiosity, how long were you Chief at Robbins?","topics_json":"[]","vector_id":"vec_seg_100984_72","created_at":"2026-10-31T08:19:25Z","speaker_name":null},{"id":"seg_100984_73","meeting_id":"100984","media_asset_id":"med_100984_9391a0b242491ea1","agenda_item_id":null,"speaker_id":"spk_100984_brian_bashista","speaker_confidence":0.95,"start_sec":1777.6,"end_sec":1806.76,"text":"Well, uh long time. In 18 in 2011 to 2014, something like that.","topics_json":"[]","vector_id":"vec_seg_100984_73","created_at":"2026-10-31T08:19:25Z","speaker_name":"Brian Bashista"},{"id":"seg_100984_74","meeting_id":"100984","media_asset_id":"med_100984_9391a0b242491ea1","agenda_item_id":null,"speaker_id":"spk_100984_commissioner","speaker_confidence":0.85,"start_sec":1806.76,"end_sec":1807.96,"text":"Thank you.","topics_json":"[]","vector_id":"vec_seg_100984_74","created_at":"2026-10-31T08:19:25Z","speaker_name":null},{"id":"seg_100984_75","meeting_id":"100984","media_asset_id":"med_100984_9391a0b242491ea1","agenda_item_id":null,"speaker_id":"spk_100984_audience_member","speaker_confidence":0.85,"start_sec":1807.97,"end_sec":1815.97,"text":"Yeah, I got a couple of questions. Um, how many spots are in the south parking lot?","topics_json":"[]","vector_id":"vec_seg_100984_75","created_at":"2026-10-31T08:19:25Z","speaker_name":null},{"id":"seg_100984_76","meeting_id":"100984","media_asset_id":"med_100984_9391a0b242491ea1","agenda_item_id":null,"speaker_id":"spk_100984_brian","speaker_confidence":0.85,"start_sec":1821.87,"end_sec":1825.47,"text":"That's a great question. I don't know off the top of my head, but I know...","topics_json":"[]","vector_id":"vec_seg_100984_76","created_at":"2026-10-31T08:19:25Z","speaker_name":"Brian"},{"id":"seg_100984_77","meeting_id":"100984","media_asset_id":"med_100984_9391a0b242491ea1","agenda_item_id":null,"speaker_id":"spk_100984_audience_member","speaker_confidence":0.85,"start_sec":1825.47,"end_sec":1832.47,"text":"Well, the reason I ask, if you get an alarm, how many firefighters respond to station? 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Does anybody else have any questions?","topics_json":"[]","vector_id":"vec_seg_100984_86","created_at":"2026-10-31T08:19:25Z","speaker_name":null},{"id":"seg_100984_87","meeting_id":"100984","media_asset_id":"med_100984_9391a0b242491ea1","agenda_item_id":null,"speaker_id":"spk_100984_chunk3_speaker_3","speaker_confidence":0.85,"start_sec":1957.17,"end_sec":1964.37,"text":"How many parking spaces are proposed? What's the What's the...","topics_json":"[]","vector_id":"vec_seg_100984_87","created_at":"2026-10-31T08:19:25Z","speaker_name":null},{"id":"seg_100984_88","meeting_id":"100984","media_asset_id":"med_100984_9391a0b242491ea1","agenda_item_id":null,"speaker_id":"spk_100984_chunk3_speaker_3","speaker_confidence":0.85,"start_sec":1965.27,"end_sec":2012.87,"text":"What towards Bradford Street? Is it 27, and then how much added?","topics_json":"[]","vector_id":"vec_seg_100984_88","created_at":"2026-10-31T08:19:25Z","speaker_name":null},{"id":"seg_100984_89","meeting_id":"100984","media_asset_id":"med_100984_9391a0b242491ea1","agenda_item_id":null,"speaker_id":"spk_100984_audience_member","speaker_confidence":0.85,"start_sec":2016.07,"end_sec":2023.07,"text":"I'm just asking if the side the south parking lot, if that had the fence line around it, if that would be enough.","topics_json":"[\"zoning\"]","vector_id":"vec_seg_100984_89","created_at":"2026-10-31T08:19:25Z","speaker_name":null},{"id":"seg_100984_9","meeting_id":"100984","media_asset_id":"med_100984_9391a0b242491ea1","agenda_item_id":null,"speaker_id":"spk_100984_city_clerk","speaker_confidence":0.8,"start_sec":77.3,"end_sec":79.1,"text":"Mr. Czerwinski?","topics_json":"[]","vector_id":"vec_seg_100984_9","created_at":"2026-10-31T08:19:24Z","speaker_name":"City Clerk"},{"id":"seg_100984_90","meeting_id":"100984","media_asset_id":"med_100984_9391a0b242491ea1","agenda_item_id":null,"speaker_id":"spk_100984_brian","speaker_confidence":0.85,"start_sec":2023.67,"end_sec":2025.07,"text":"So, when you say the south parking lot...","topics_json":"[]","vector_id":"vec_seg_100984_90","created_at":"2026-10-31T08:19:25Z","speaker_name":"Brian"},{"id":"seg_100984_91","meeting_id":"100984","media_asset_id":"med_100984_9391a0b242491ea1","agenda_item_id":null,"speaker_id":"spk_100984_audience_member","speaker_confidence":0.85,"start_sec":2025.17,"end_sec":2029.67,"text":"The south parking spots near Governor's. The 15 Governor's Ave lot? Right.","topics_json":"[]","vector_id":"vec_seg_100984_91","created_at":"2026-10-31T08:19:25Z","speaker_name":null},{"id":"seg_100984_92","meeting_id":"100984","media_asset_id":"med_100984_9391a0b242491ea1","agenda_item_id":null,"speaker_id":"spk_100984_audience_member","speaker_confidence":0.85,"start_sec":2033.77,"end_sec":2043.27,"text":"Because you again, you know, right, that's what I'm talking about. So, they definitely use that lot more than the other one. You get to see it with all the cars. It's always pretty full.","topics_json":"[]","vector_id":"vec_seg_100984_92","created_at":"2026-10-31T08:19:25Z","speaker_name":null},{"id":"seg_100984_93","meeting_id":"100984","media_asset_id":"med_100984_9391a0b242491ea1","agenda_item_id":null,"speaker_id":"spk_100984_audience_member","speaker_confidence":0.85,"start_sec":2044.17,"end_sec":2048.77,"text":"I can understand that would be security, because a lot of times, you see cars overnight. Yeah. 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It seems to me that we don't want to force the volunteer fire department personnel to have to make a choice of whether their car is going to be secure or whether they will be secure or not.","topics_json":"[\"public_safety\"]","vector_id":"vec_seg_100984_97","created_at":"2026-10-31T08:19:25Z","speaker_name":null},{"id":"seg_100984_98","meeting_id":"100984","media_asset_id":"med_100984_9391a0b242491ea1","agenda_item_id":null,"speaker_id":"spk_100984_audience_member","speaker_confidence":0.85,"start_sec":2204.97,"end_sec":2245.87,"text":"No, no. I understand that. But the other side is there are people that live on the street. I park my car is on the street. I'm not that. And I'm downtown as well, not right there. But we all take that. Now, we all park on the street in the downtown city. And that And if I'm trying to balance the fact that the the lay of the land is going to be forever changed when you have a fence that's that's a security fence, and it's nothing pretty about it. 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If we give you a 30-day extension, is that enough time, in other words?","topics_json":"[\"housing\"]","vector_id":"vec_seg_101427_138","created_at":"2026-10-31T08:11:18Z","speaker_name":null},{"id":"seg_101427_139","meeting_id":"101427","media_asset_id":"med_101427_3ecf1362e442b6c3","agenda_item_id":null,"speaker_id":"spk_101427_appellant_female","speaker_confidence":0.85,"start_sec":1434.98,"end_sec":1437.36,"text":"We would like at least 60.","topics_json":"[\"housing\"]","vector_id":"vec_seg_101427_139","created_at":"2026-10-31T08:11:18Z","speaker_name":null},{"id":"seg_101427_14","meeting_id":"101427","media_asset_id":"med_101427_3ecf1362e442b6c3","agenda_item_id":null,"speaker_id":"spk_101427_patty_downs","speaker_confidence":0.9,"start_sec":110.8,"end_sec":111.4,"text":"Correct.","topics_json":"[]","vector_id":"vec_seg_101427_14","created_at":"2026-10-31T08:11:18Z","speaker_name":"Patty Downs"},{"id":"seg_101427_140","meeting_id":"101427","media_asset_id":"med_101427_3ecf1362e442b6c3","agenda_item_id":null,"speaker_id":"spk_101427_appellant_male","speaker_confidence":0.85,"start_sec":1437.36,"end_sec":1444.19,"text":"And that that that's only because that's only because we're going to ask for 60 days before settlement,","topics_json":"[\"housing\"]","vector_id":"vec_seg_101427_140","created_at":"2026-10-31T08:11:18Z","speaker_name":null},{"id":"seg_101427_141","meeting_id":"101427","media_asset_id":"med_101427_3ecf1362e442b6c3","agenda_item_id":null,"speaker_id":"spk_101427_appellant_female","speaker_confidence":0.85,"start_sec":1444.19,"end_sec":1449.99,"text":"which we have to remove all of our personal things out of there at our age. We've waited too long.","topics_json":"[\"housing\"]","vector_id":"vec_seg_101427_141","created_at":"2026-10-31T08:11:18Z","speaker_name":null},{"id":"seg_101427_142","meeting_id":"101427","media_asset_id":"med_101427_3ecf1362e442b6c3","agenda_item_id":null,"speaker_id":"off_andre_m_boggerty","speaker_confidence":0.85,"start_sec":1449.99,"end_sec":1459.18,"text":"So, so we can add the caveat that if you present the fact that you have a closing date during the 30 days--","topics_json":"[\"housing\"]","vector_id":"vec_seg_101427_142","created_at":"2026-10-31T08:11:18Z","speaker_name":"Andre M. 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Right.","topics_json":"[\"housing\"]","vector_id":"vec_seg_101427_144","created_at":"2026-10-31T08:11:18Z","speaker_name":null},{"id":"seg_101427_145","meeting_id":"101427","media_asset_id":"med_101427_3ecf1362e442b6c3","agenda_item_id":null,"speaker_id":"off_andre_m_boggerty","speaker_confidence":0.85,"start_sec":1468.04,"end_sec":1471.53,"text":"that that's the time closing day","topics_json":"[\"housing\"]","vector_id":"vec_seg_101427_145","created_at":"2026-10-31T08:11:18Z","speaker_name":"Andre M. Boggerty"},{"id":"seg_101427_146","meeting_id":"101427","media_asset_id":"med_101427_3ecf1362e442b6c3","agenda_item_id":null,"speaker_id":"spk_101427_board_member_2","speaker_confidence":0.85,"start_sec":1471.53,"end_sec":1484.44,"text":"Um just a caution, there is no provision or exemption in code that would dictate the sale of a property um to halt any kind of compliance or violation resolution.","topics_json":"[\"housing\"]","vector_id":"vec_seg_101427_146","created_at":"2026-10-31T08:11:18Z","speaker_name":null},{"id":"seg_101427_147","meeting_id":"101427","media_asset_id":"med_101427_3ecf1362e442b6c3","agenda_item_id":null,"speaker_id":"spk_101427_appellant_female","speaker_confidence":0.85,"start_sec":1484.44,"end_sec":1490.64,"text":"Well, we're just requesting 60 days simply because we're removing lots of things.","topics_json":"[\"housing\"]","vector_id":"vec_seg_101427_147","created_at":"2026-10-31T08:11:18Z","speaker_name":null},{"id":"seg_101427_148","meeting_id":"101427","media_asset_id":"med_101427_3ecf1362e442b6c3","agenda_item_id":null,"speaker_id":"spk_101427_board_member_3","speaker_confidence":0.85,"start_sec":1490.64,"end_sec":1495.2,"text":"But not that particular bunch of stuff, mother. That stuff's still sitting there.","topics_json":"[\"housing\"]","vector_id":"vec_seg_101427_148","created_at":"2026-10-31T08:11:18Z","speaker_name":null},{"id":"seg_101427_149","meeting_id":"101427","media_asset_id":"med_101427_3ecf1362e442b6c3","agenda_item_id":null,"speaker_id":"spk_101427_appellant_female","speaker_confidence":0.85,"start_sec":1495.2,"end_sec":1506.4,"text":"Well, they requested it, that's all. And we're still removing our old A gentleman that's passed away, we're still trying to remove his things.","topics_json":"[\"housing\"]","vector_id":"vec_seg_101427_149","created_at":"2026-10-31T08:11:18Z","speaker_name":null},{"id":"seg_101427_15","meeting_id":"101427","media_asset_id":"med_101427_3ecf1362e442b6c3","agenda_item_id":null,"speaker_id":"spk_101427_chairman","speaker_confidence":0.8,"start_sec":114.5,"end_sec":122.3,"text":"Um, what I would do is turn it over to the court, for a representative from code enforcement to present.","topics_json":"[]","vector_id":"vec_seg_101427_15","created_at":"2026-10-31T08:11:18Z","speaker_name":null},{"id":"seg_101427_150","meeting_id":"101427","media_asset_id":"med_101427_3ecf1362e442b6c3","agenda_item_id":null,"speaker_id":"spk_101427_board_member_2","speaker_confidence":0.85,"start_sec":1506.4,"end_sec":1552.73,"text":"Um if best-case scenario here, so if you grant that enforcement resumes in 30 days uh if we see good-faith effort, you can always, since it's out of the appeal phase, you can always request an extension. Uh if there's good-faith effort on the property, uh the extension will be granted. If there's no sign that there's any work being done, the uh the extension request will be denied, a citation would be issued, and then you have the right to appeal again once that citation is issued. So, if you're any point along this process, if you feel like we're being unfair, we're interpreting something different, um or that you're making progress that we're not seeing, you always have the right to appeal. Okay. But it takes the next action from Code Enforcement. So, if if the decision is made today to resume enforcement in 30 days, that just means we can uh continue with the case. However, in that 30 days, as long as you're making progress, you can grant or you can request an extension. We're willing to work with you. It's when all work stops, that's when we have to uh do our job, per se. 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You then told me, it was like, um Just like when I had just had this one violation, when you told me you don't have a boss, and nobody can tell you what to do, you can do whatever you want.","topics_json":"[]","vector_id":"vec_seg_101429_175","created_at":"2026-10-31T08:12:08Z","speaker_name":"Evans"},{"id":"seg_101429_176","meeting_id":"101429","media_asset_id":"med_101429_65b0eb0781797b0e","agenda_item_id":null,"speaker_id":"spk_101429_evans","speaker_confidence":0.95,"start_sec":2245.34,"end_sec":2259.95,"text":"So I went again to the city of Dover. I spoke to whoever was in office at that time and explained the situation, and they stated to me, yes, they would contact the lawyers and that, yes, my bobtail was legal to be there.","topics_json":"[]","vector_id":"vec_seg_101429_176","created_at":"2026-10-31T08:12:08Z","speaker_name":"Evans"},{"id":"seg_101429_177","meeting_id":"101429","media_asset_id":"med_101429_65b0eb0781797b0e","agenda_item_id":null,"speaker_id":"spk_101429_steve_lewis","speaker_confidence":0.95,"start_sec":2262.46,"end_sec":2266.71,"text":"Okay. 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Is there anything else you'd like to share with us before we ready to conclude uh this","topics_json":"[]","vector_id":"vec_seg_101429_187","created_at":"2026-10-31T08:12:08Z","speaker_name":"Roy Sudler, Jr."},{"id":"seg_101429_188","meeting_id":"101429","media_asset_id":"med_101429_65b0eb0781797b0e","agenda_item_id":null,"speaker_id":"spk_101429_evans","speaker_confidence":0.95,"start_sec":2326.2,"end_sec":2327.23,"text":"No, sir.","topics_json":"[]","vector_id":"vec_seg_101429_188","created_at":"2026-10-31T08:12:08Z","speaker_name":"Evans"},{"id":"seg_101429_189","meeting_id":"101429","media_asset_id":"med_101429_65b0eb0781797b0e","agenda_item_id":null,"speaker_id":"off_roy_sudler_jr","speaker_confidence":0.95,"start_sec":2329.11,"end_sec":2332.75,"text":"Thank you so much. Uh the chair recognizes Mr. Kopp. Mr. Kopp state your name for the record.","topics_json":"[]","vector_id":"vec_seg_101429_189","created_at":"2026-10-31T08:12:08Z","speaker_name":"Roy Sudler, Jr."},{"id":"seg_101429_19","meeting_id":"101429","media_asset_id":"med_101429_65b0eb0781797b0e","agenda_item_id":null,"speaker_id":"spk_101429_shelly_evans","speaker_confidence":1,"start_sec":153.6,"end_sec":155.6,"text":"Is that for me?","topics_json":"[]","vector_id":"vec_seg_101429_19","created_at":"2026-10-31T08:12:08Z","speaker_name":"Shelly Evans"},{"id":"seg_101429_190","meeting_id":"101429","media_asset_id":"med_101429_65b0eb0781797b0e","agenda_item_id":null,"speaker_id":"spk_101429_eddie_kopp","speaker_confidence":0.95,"start_sec":2333.1,"end_sec":2336.13,"text":"Um Eddie Kopp, Chief Code Enforcement Officer with the City of Dover.","topics_json":"[]","vector_id":"vec_seg_101429_190","created_at":"2026-10-31T08:12:08Z","speaker_name":"Eddie Kopp"},{"id":"seg_101429_191","meeting_id":"101429","media_asset_id":"med_101429_65b0eb0781797b0e","agenda_item_id":null,"speaker_id":"spk_101429_eddie_kopp","speaker_confidence":0.95,"start_sec":2336.77,"end_sec":2339.52,"text":"I just want to put on the record my my side of the story.","topics_json":"[]","vector_id":"vec_seg_101429_191","created_at":"2026-10-31T08:12:08Z","speaker_name":"Eddie Kopp"},{"id":"seg_101429_192","meeting_id":"101429","media_asset_id":"med_101429_65b0eb0781797b0e","agenda_item_id":null,"speaker_id":"spk_101429_eddie_kopp","speaker_confidence":0.95,"start_sec":2340.52,"end_sec":2352.72,"text":"Um this phone conversation I had with Ms. Evans was witnessed by uh several members of my staff, Sarah Brown, Matthew Layfield, and Thomas Miller. 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Why are you appealing the violation?","topics_json":"[\"housing\",\"zoning\"]","vector_id":"vec_seg_101429_20","created_at":"2026-10-31T08:12:08Z","speaker_name":"Roy Sudler, Jr."},{"id":"seg_101429_200","meeting_id":"101429","media_asset_id":"med_101429_65b0eb0781797b0e","agenda_item_id":null,"speaker_id":"spk_101429_eddie_kopp","speaker_confidence":0.95,"start_sec":2421.28,"end_sec":2426.27,"text":"Um, I then transferred the call to the city clerk's office for them to take her appeal.","topics_json":"[]","vector_id":"vec_seg_101429_200","created_at":"2026-10-31T08:12:08Z","speaker_name":"Eddie Kopp"},{"id":"seg_101429_201","meeting_id":"101429","media_asset_id":"med_101429_65b0eb0781797b0e","agenda_item_id":null,"speaker_id":"spk_101429_eddie_kopp","speaker_confidence":0.95,"start_sec":2429.11,"end_sec":2438.7,"text":"So, just to go over, because I feel like this case has gone a lot, I just want to explain, uh, on behalf of code enforcement, and in my this capacity,","topics_json":"[]","vector_id":"vec_seg_101429_201","created_at":"2026-10-31T08:12:08Z","speaker_name":"Eddie Kopp"},{"id":"seg_101429_202","meeting_id":"101429","media_asset_id":"med_101429_65b0eb0781797b0e","agenda_item_id":null,"speaker_id":"spk_101429_eddie_kopp","speaker_confidence":0.95,"start_sec":2439.03,"end_sec":2447.7,"text":"before you today is an interpretation of a code. Did Mr. Layfield and myself interpret this code correctly?","topics_json":"[]","vector_id":"vec_seg_101429_202","created_at":"2026-10-31T08:12:08Z","speaker_name":"Eddie Kopp"},{"id":"seg_101429_203","meeting_id":"101429","media_asset_id":"med_101429_65b0eb0781797b0e","agenda_item_id":null,"speaker_id":"spk_101429_eddie_kopp","speaker_confidence":0.95,"start_sec":2448.39,"end_sec":2456.69,"text":"Um the relevance of this is, did we interpret the code correctly? So, before you today, uh","topics_json":"[]","vector_id":"vec_seg_101429_203","created_at":"2026-10-31T08:12:08Z","speaker_name":"Eddie Kopp"},{"id":"seg_101429_204","meeting_id":"101429","media_asset_id":"med_101429_65b0eb0781797b0e","agenda_item_id":null,"speaker_id":"spk_101429_eddie_kopp","speaker_confidence":0.95,"start_sec":2456.94,"end_sec":2461.61,"text":"we have the code. Was this code interpreted correctly? Did we do our due diligence with this case?","topics_json":"[]","vector_id":"vec_seg_101429_204","created_at":"2026-10-31T08:12:08Z","speaker_name":"Eddie Kopp"},{"id":"seg_101429_205","meeting_id":"101429","media_asset_id":"med_101429_65b0eb0781797b0e","agenda_item_id":null,"speaker_id":"spk_101429_eddie_kopp","speaker_confidence":0.95,"start_sec":2462.48,"end_sec":2470.63,"text":"And I believe we did. So on behalf of code enforcement, I will recommend the appeal be denied. And that's","topics_json":"[]","vector_id":"vec_seg_101429_205","created_at":"2026-10-31T08:12:08Z","speaker_name":"Eddie Kopp"},{"id":"seg_101429_206","meeting_id":"101429","media_asset_id":"med_101429_65b0eb0781797b0e","agenda_item_id":null,"speaker_id":"spk_101429_eddie_kopp","speaker_confidence":0.95,"start_sec":2471.23,"end_sec":2481.83,"text":"that's on our behalf, because I feel like we've gone through the evidence, the totality of the evidence. And I believe the code was interpreted correctly, however, it is the discretion of this board.","topics_json":"[]","vector_id":"vec_seg_101429_206","created_at":"2026-10-31T08:12:08Z","speaker_name":"Eddie Kopp"},{"id":"seg_101429_207","meeting_id":"101429","media_asset_id":"med_101429_65b0eb0781797b0e","agenda_item_id":null,"speaker_id":"off_roy_sudler_jr","speaker_confidence":0.95,"start_sec":2485.31,"end_sec":2487.55,"text":"The chair will entertain","topics_json":"[]","vector_id":"vec_seg_101429_207","created_at":"2026-10-31T08:12:08Z","speaker_name":"Roy Sudler, Jr."},{"id":"seg_101429_208","meeting_id":"101429","media_asset_id":"med_101429_65b0eb0781797b0e","agenda_item_id":null,"speaker_id":"off_roy_sudler_jr","speaker_confidence":0.95,"start_sec":2489.99,"end_sec":2492.78,"text":"two more questions, and then we're going to call to see what the pleasure of the committee is.","topics_json":"[]","vector_id":"vec_seg_101429_208","created_at":"2026-10-31T08:12:08Z","speaker_name":"Roy Sudler, Jr."},{"id":"seg_101429_209","meeting_id":"101429","media_asset_id":"med_101429_65b0eb0781797b0e","agenda_item_id":null,"speaker_id":"off_roy_sudler_jr","speaker_confidence":0.95,"start_sec":2497.84,"end_sec":2501.35,"text":"Council President Neil, do you have do you have any question?","topics_json":"[]","vector_id":"vec_seg_101429_209","created_at":"2026-10-31T08:12:08Z","speaker_name":"Roy Sudler, Jr."},{"id":"seg_101429_21","meeting_id":"101429","media_asset_id":"med_101429_65b0eb0781797b0e","agenda_item_id":null,"speaker_id":"spk_101429_shelly_evans","speaker_confidence":1,"start_sec":158.5,"end_sec":547,"text":"I'm appealing the violation under two grounds. One, the situation he is talking about, I spoke to him myself. My husband had major DVT surgery. He almost died. He had to be Medevaced to a trauma center. Because of that, he has got two scars down his legs, two wounds that go above his knee on both sides of his left leg. When he had the surgery done, he had complications. He was coming home from the surgery. He could not get out of the car, he could not walk far. He was technically supposed to be in a wheelchair, but because of our yard, you really can't get a wheelchair in there. So I literally just dropped pulled the car back to let him out of the car and pulled the car immediately in front of my truck, which sits in my driveway. The gentleman then proceeded to tell me he didn't care if my husband fell over in the road and got run over. It wasn't his problem. My car was there for five seconds to let someone out who has a handicap placard and could not walk that far. That was it. Number two, according to the violation, it was supposed to be a building violation. It's not a building violation. The gentleman has been going out of his way to ticket us for things he's not supposed to because, according to the restriction in my neighborhood, as of right now and when I purchased the property, it stated that my bobtail can sit in my driveway as long as it's not on the road. The gentleman has proceeded to tell me I am not allowed to park my bobtail in the driveway, and has proceeded to write me up numerous times for my bobtail to be in the driveway. This time he told me I'm not allowed to park my bobtail in the driveway. I did speak to the City of Dover manager. She stated that was incorrect. Yes, they were talking about possibly changing the law, but the law has not been changed. And because of that, he has gone out of his way to literally nail us all the time. Now here's the other problem. We're not the only ones, and we're not the only one seeing this. And whoever this guy is that they got last year, this gentleman I should say, has been making it a point of his because originally he kept saying I couldn't park my bobtail in my driveway, that was against the law. I spoke to the City of Dover manager, and she stated at the time, no, because yes, you cannot have something that carries over 2,000 lbs, which is not really being enforced in our neighborhood because there are several work vehicles that can carry more than that that are in the neighborhood. Unfortunately, my tractor does not carry. It can't carry a dozen eggs. It can only haul. The trailer hauls it, the weight, not my tractor. My tractor just hauls the trailer. And he went to the lawyer, and the lawyer said the same thing, and the City of Dover manager also stated the same thing, and when I bought the property, the City of Dover Police Department said the same thing as well as the City of Dover manager. But the big problem is my bobtail was home, my husband had just come home from surgery because he had had an abscess and he had a problem with his shunt came out. We had just brought him home, and he's telling me I cannot have someone handicapped dropped off to where they can safely get in the house. And that's a problem. And there was no written warning for this.","topics_json":"[\"housing\",\"zoning\",\"public_safety\"]","vector_id":"vec_seg_101429_21","created_at":"2026-10-31T08:12:08Z","speaker_name":"Shelly Evans"},{"id":"seg_101429_210","meeting_id":"101429","media_asset_id":"med_101429_65b0eb0781797b0e","agenda_item_id":null,"speaker_id":"off_fred_a_neil","speaker_confidence":0.95,"start_sec":2501.55,"end_sec":2504.03,"text":"I have a suggestion, if I can.","topics_json":"[\"zoning\"]","vector_id":"vec_seg_101429_210","created_at":"2026-10-31T08:12:08Z","speaker_name":"Fred A. 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Neil"},{"id":"seg_101429_219","meeting_id":"101429","media_asset_id":"med_101429_65b0eb0781797b0e","agenda_item_id":null,"speaker_id":"off_fred_a_neil","speaker_confidence":0.95,"start_sec":2573.71,"end_sec":2587.88,"text":"So my suggestion would be for her to see whether we can get a variance for her, or that we can build a pad, and stop basically what's going to be a continual uh problem for her and for the city.","topics_json":"[\"zoning\"]","vector_id":"vec_seg_101429_219","created_at":"2026-10-31T08:12:08Z","speaker_name":"Fred A. Neil"},{"id":"seg_101429_22","meeting_id":"101429","media_asset_id":"med_101429_65b0eb0781797b0e","agenda_item_id":null,"speaker_id":"off_roy_sudler_jr","speaker_confidence":1,"start_sec":547.5,"end_sec":609.5,"text":"Thank Thank you very much for explaining to us your synopsis of what transpired. We will now have code enforcement to read the ordinance or the code as it applies to this case, and then we'll have them comment on the violation. Code enforcement, you may begin.","topics_json":"[\"housing\",\"zoning\"]","vector_id":"vec_seg_101429_22","created_at":"2026-10-31T08:12:08Z","speaker_name":"Roy Sudler, Jr."},{"id":"seg_101429_220","meeting_id":"101429","media_asset_id":"med_101429_65b0eb0781797b0e","agenda_item_id":null,"speaker_id":"off_fred_a_neil","speaker_confidence":0.95,"start_sec":2588.34,"end_sec":2588.96,"text":"I yield.","topics_json":"[]","vector_id":"vec_seg_101429_220","created_at":"2026-10-31T08:12:08Z","speaker_name":"Fred A. Neil"},{"id":"seg_101429_221","meeting_id":"101429","media_asset_id":"med_101429_65b0eb0781797b0e","agenda_item_id":null,"speaker_id":"off_roy_sudler_jr","speaker_confidence":0.95,"start_sec":2589.87,"end_sec":2595.02,"text":"Thank you, the chair Thank you, Council President. The chair recognizes","topics_json":"[]","vector_id":"vec_seg_101429_221","created_at":"2026-10-31T08:12:08Z","speaker_name":"Roy Sudler, Jr."},{"id":"seg_101429_222","meeting_id":"101429","media_asset_id":"med_101429_65b0eb0781797b0e","agenda_item_id":null,"speaker_id":"off_roy_sudler_jr","speaker_confidence":0.95,"start_sec":2596.16,"end_sec":2598.27,"text":"Miss Maine, and then we're going to wrap.","topics_json":"[]","vector_id":"vec_seg_101429_222","created_at":"2026-10-31T08:12:08Z","speaker_name":"Roy Sudler, Jr."},{"id":"seg_101429_223","meeting_id":"101429","media_asset_id":"med_101429_65b0eb0781797b0e","agenda_item_id":null,"speaker_id":"spk_101429_holinda_maine","speaker_confidence":0.95,"start_sec":2599.4,"end_sec":2603.7,"text":"Hi, Holinda Maine, resident of Dover.","topics_json":"[]","vector_id":"vec_seg_101429_223","created_at":"2026-10-31T08:12:08Z","speaker_name":"Holinda Maine"},{"id":"seg_101429_224","meeting_id":"101429","media_asset_id":"med_101429_65b0eb0781797b0e","agenda_item_id":null,"speaker_id":"spk_101429_holinda_maine","speaker_confidence":0.95,"start_sec":2604.17,"end_sec":2616.65,"text":"Um I really don't like the terminology of of of how you perceive the code because we all have our own perception","topics_json":"[]","vector_id":"vec_seg_101429_224","created_at":"2026-10-31T08:12:08Z","speaker_name":"Holinda Maine"},{"id":"seg_101429_225","meeting_id":"101429","media_asset_id":"med_101429_65b0eb0781797b0e","agenda_item_id":null,"speaker_id":"spk_101429_holinda_maine","speaker_confidence":0.95,"start_sec":2616.74,"end_sec":2627.47,"text":"of the code. And just because you and you agree that's a perception of the code, not saying it's wrong, but that's your perception.","topics_json":"[]","vector_id":"vec_seg_101429_225","created_at":"2026-10-31T08:12:08Z","speaker_name":"Holinda Maine"},{"id":"seg_101429_226","meeting_id":"101429","media_asset_id":"med_101429_65b0eb0781797b0e","agenda_item_id":null,"speaker_id":"spk_101429_holinda_maine","speaker_confidence":0.95,"start_sec":2627.79,"end_sec":2636.63,"text":"But her perception might be, okay, it's not a wrecked vehicle, it's not this, it's not that, and it's only for a few minutes, not, you know,","topics_json":"[]","vector_id":"vec_seg_101429_226","created_at":"2026-10-31T08:12:08Z","speaker_name":"Holinda Maine"},{"id":"seg_101429_227","meeting_id":"101429","media_asset_id":"med_101429_65b0eb0781797b0e","agenda_item_id":null,"speaker_id":"spk_101429_holinda_maine","speaker_confidence":0.95,"start_sec":2637.04,"end_sec":2637.8,"text":"days.","topics_json":"[]","vector_id":"vec_seg_101429_227","created_at":"2026-10-31T08:12:08Z","speaker_name":"Holinda Maine"},{"id":"seg_101429_228","meeting_id":"101429","media_asset_id":"med_101429_65b0eb0781797b0e","agenda_item_id":null,"speaker_id":"spk_101429_holinda_maine","speaker_confidence":0.95,"start_sec":2638.38,"end_sec":2648.97,"text":"So each person has their own perception of what the ordinance says. I literally read a little too much into it to go, \"Okay, it should imply,","topics_json":"[]","vector_id":"vec_seg_101429_228","created_at":"2026-10-31T08:12:08Z","speaker_name":"Holinda Maine"},{"id":"seg_101429_229","meeting_id":"101429","media_asset_id":"med_101429_65b0eb0781797b0e","agenda_item_id":null,"speaker_id":"spk_101429_holinda_maine","speaker_confidence":0.95,"start_sec":2649.01,"end_sec":2655.42,"text":"you know, if we write up and it's on there multiple days within that, and you're not rectifying it just cause you're moving it off and putting it back on,","topics_json":"[]","vector_id":"vec_seg_101429_229","created_at":"2026-10-31T08:12:08Z","speaker_name":"Holinda Maine"},{"id":"seg_101429_23","meeting_id":"101429","media_asset_id":"med_101429_65b0eb0781797b0e","agenda_item_id":null,"speaker_id":"spk_101429_matthew_layfield","speaker_confidence":1,"start_sec":609.8,"end_sec":612,"text":"All right, so, um—","topics_json":"[]","vector_id":"vec_seg_101429_23","created_at":"2026-10-31T08:12:08Z","speaker_name":"Matthew Layfield"},{"id":"seg_101429_230","meeting_id":"101429","media_asset_id":"med_101429_65b0eb0781797b0e","agenda_item_id":null,"speaker_id":"spk_101429_holinda_maine","speaker_confidence":0.95,"start_sec":2655.75,"end_sec":2663.9,"text":"ride by there again if you have the minutes. Minutes, if it's still there, okay, now, you're definitely in violation because now","topics_json":"[]","vector_id":"vec_seg_101429_230","created_at":"2026-10-31T08:12:08Z","speaker_name":"Holinda Maine"},{"id":"seg_101429_231","meeting_id":"101429","media_asset_id":"med_101429_65b0eb0781797b0e","agenda_item_id":null,"speaker_id":"spk_101429_holinda_maine","speaker_confidence":0.95,"start_sec":2664.29,"end_sec":2671.6,"text":"you're within that 30-day period to go, 'Okay. Violation, violation.' You can't rectify something if it's done once,","topics_json":"[]","vector_id":"vec_seg_101429_231","created_at":"2026-10-31T08:12:08Z","speaker_name":"Holinda Maine"},{"id":"seg_101429_232","meeting_id":"101429","media_asset_id":"med_101429_65b0eb0781797b0e","agenda_item_id":null,"speaker_id":"spk_101429_holinda_maine","speaker_confidence":0.95,"start_sec":2671.75,"end_sec":2680.2,"text":"and then the next year, she does it again once, and you every time you see a violation, don't go, \"Oh, I'm going to let them go on this one.\"","topics_json":"[]","vector_id":"vec_seg_101429_232","created_at":"2026-10-31T08:12:08Z","speaker_name":"Holinda Maine"},{"id":"seg_101429_233","meeting_id":"101429","media_asset_id":"med_101429_65b0eb0781797b0e","agenda_item_id":null,"speaker_id":"spk_101429_holinda_maine","speaker_confidence":0.95,"start_sec":2680.73,"end_sec":2684.98,"text":"Okay. Each violation, just so consistency, so that we can say,","topics_json":"[]","vector_id":"vec_seg_101429_233","created_at":"2026-10-31T08:12:08Z","speaker_name":"Holinda Maine"},{"id":"seg_101429_234","meeting_id":"101429","media_asset_id":"med_101429_65b0eb0781797b0e","agenda_item_id":null,"speaker_id":"spk_101429_holinda_maine","speaker_confidence":0.95,"start_sec":2685.01,"end_sec":2693.16,"text":"\"Okay. Your perception is my perception that says it has not been rectified cuz it's a continual thing.\"","topics_json":"[]","vector_id":"vec_seg_101429_234","created_at":"2026-10-31T08:12:08Z","speaker_name":"Holinda Maine"},{"id":"seg_101429_235","meeting_id":"101429","media_asset_id":"med_101429_65b0eb0781797b0e","agenda_item_id":null,"speaker_id":"spk_101429_holinda_maine","speaker_confidence":0.95,"start_sec":2693.8,"end_sec":2698.27,"text":"And also I also agree with uh President Neil with,","topics_json":"[]","vector_id":"vec_seg_101429_235","created_at":"2026-10-31T08:12:08Z","speaker_name":"Holinda Maine"},{"id":"seg_101429_236","meeting_id":"101429","media_asset_id":"med_101429_65b0eb0781797b0e","agenda_item_id":null,"speaker_id":"spk_101429_holinda_maine","speaker_confidence":0.95,"start_sec":2698.66,"end_sec":2704.76,"text":"you know, at this particular time it might not been the other three times that this happened, but","topics_json":"[]","vector_id":"vec_seg_101429_236","created_at":"2026-10-31T08:12:08Z","speaker_name":"Holinda Maine"},{"id":"seg_101429_237","meeting_id":"101429","media_asset_id":"med_101429_65b0eb0781797b0e","agenda_item_id":null,"speaker_id":"spk_101429_holinda_maine","speaker_confidence":0.95,"start_sec":2706.36,"end_sec":2711.92,"text":"it it's it's kind of showing that this time, you weren't there to time it. You weren't, you know, I mean you can't be there to time it.","topics_json":"[]","vector_id":"vec_seg_101429_237","created_at":"2026-10-31T08:12:08Z","speaker_name":"Holinda Maine"},{"id":"seg_101429_238","meeting_id":"101429","media_asset_id":"med_101429_65b0eb0781797b0e","agenda_item_id":null,"speaker_id":"spk_101429_ms_mane","speaker_confidence":0.85,"start_sec":2711.95,"end_sec":2871.95,"text":"In a manner of speaking, she probably did rectify that, but still got a fine, which if you went back say the next day and it was parked there, then here it would be a separate violation within the 30-day period. Because every letter, and I've read every single letter that we construct here, on the bottom it says each offense is treated separately with a different fine, if you see what I'm saying. Like perception is, that's not perception, that's words on paper with a signature saying that we all agree that each fine or each offense or violation is held separately. So just because it's a repeating offense, it's not really repeated to where she's not rectifying something. She's rectifying it literally an hour, 2 hours, 3 hours afterwards. So that technically would count for that violation to be in accordance unless of course you ride back there within that 30 days and find that vehicle in the same spot, on the grass, in the backyard, somewhere. That would be a a reciprocal violation of okay, we told you the first time, we told you the second time, we told you the third time. I mean, my three-year-old has to be told 10 times to, you know, clean up her toys. That's a repeated offense because I have to tell her 10 times in that hour to clean it up, not 10 times in four separate years. In a manner of speaking, that's how I interpret it because if a violation is rectified in 30 days or 60 days, then it automatically at that point, you go back the 60th day and go, \"Okay, the vehicle has the vehicle's not there.\" It it automatically closes that case. Then, okay, the next month starts another 30 days. But my point is, is you're both reading it and going, \"Okay, we both agree on this. This is what it says, this is how we're interpreting it.\" But I'm not interpreting it that way. Mr. Sudler might not be interpreting it that way. Dr. Pillsbury might have her way of interpreting it. We need to to get together here and and interpret to where everybody there is no getting out of or trying to work around. It's either you violate it, you get a fine. Thank you. I yield.","topics_json":"[\"housing\"]","vector_id":"vec_seg_101429_238","created_at":"2026-10-31T08:12:08Z","speaker_name":null},{"id":"seg_101429_239","meeting_id":"101429","media_asset_id":"med_101429_65b0eb0781797b0e","agenda_item_id":null,"speaker_id":"spk_101429_eddie_kopp","speaker_confidence":0.9,"start_sec":2872.95,"end_sec":3008.95,"text":"Mr. Chairman, as an uh Mr. Kopp, could I respond to uh Ms. Mane and then Councilman Neil? So, Code Enforcement doesn't have perception. We have interpretation. Um by code, as code officials, our duty is to interpret and enforce the code as it's written. So part of our job description is to interpret and enforce the code. It's it's not perception. It's it's how we interpret the code. And when we look at interpretations, we look at each other with our knowledge, our certification, and our training to be able to make these interpretations. So uh just want to clarify that. Uh as far as Mr. Neil, he mentioned variance. Um just for clarity purposes, a variance is in reference to the zoning ordinance. So if you wanted to do a variance, it would be in reference to the zoning ordinance. This uh this here we're talking about Dover code of ordinances, therefore a variance wouldn't relate to this. Uh so there is an option to apply for a permit. There's no guarantee the permit would be approved, nor could this board force an approval of a permit. They could go through the process um to extend the driveway. Keep in mind whenever you're extending a driveway, there's several things that go into factor outside of the planning inspections that does require uh approval from Public Works and Wastewater and Zoning. Uh the reason for it is to make sure is the lot coverage there, is there utilities underneath there. You know, there's several different things that go in there. So although that's an option to apply for a permit, there's no guarantee that the permit would be approved. Um so and uh if the board was wanted to change this ordinance in any way, the process would be to submit it to council committee for for amendment. Uh but I just want to caution caution all the board members here that this is interpretation of the code and we cannot change or modify code uh at this level, so. Other than that, I uh I yield.","topics_json":"[\"zoning\",\"housing\"]","vector_id":"vec_seg_101429_239","created_at":"2026-10-31T08:12:08Z","speaker_name":"Eddie Kopp"},{"id":"seg_101429_24","meeting_id":"101429","media_asset_id":"med_101429_65b0eb0781797b0e","agenda_item_id":null,"speaker_id":"off_roy_sudler_jr","speaker_confidence":1,"start_sec":612,"end_sec":615.5,"text":"I'm sorry, before you state, just state your name, I'm sorry. Please state your name for the record.","topics_json":"[]","vector_id":"vec_seg_101429_24","created_at":"2026-10-31T08:12:08Z","speaker_name":"Roy Sudler, Jr."},{"id":"seg_101429_240","meeting_id":"101429","media_asset_id":"med_101429_65b0eb0781797b0e","agenda_item_id":null,"speaker_id":"off_roy_sudler_jr","speaker_confidence":0.95,"start_sec":3009.95,"end_sec":3114.95,"text":"Thank you, um, Mr. Kopp. There is one thing that can be done. Um you're right, not at this level, but City Council can waive. City Council has the ultimate say um in a situation where City Council could hear it and waive it due to certain circumstances. Uh that would be the final final say. Nevertheless, that we have these boards uh for these types of situations. But when, in my view, when it's some ambiguity in the code, that's why I believe that we should get a legal opinion um at this juncture. I believe a legal opinion would be at best because there are compelling uh arguments on both sides, uh Dr. Pillsbury, code enforcement, um ADA. I I can't make a decision to say today without knowing how does the Americans with Disability Act look, how they view this. I don't want to put the city in legal harm's way. It's nothing that no fault of anyone. It's just a situation that we have to uh make sure it's fair. Um so as you know at this moment, um I think I'm going to make a judgment call as the chair. And and how should we do this, Dr. Pillsbury? Should we should we come back to this after a legal opinion and they give a motion to legal opinion and see how ADA is is uh viewed this? I mean you're that's your feel of expertise, yours fundamental mine fundamental. But um I think would you be in agreement with that?","topics_json":"[\"housing\"]","vector_id":"vec_seg_101429_240","created_at":"2026-10-31T08:12:08Z","speaker_name":"Roy Sudler, Jr."},{"id":"seg_101429_241","meeting_id":"101429","media_asset_id":"med_101429_65b0eb0781797b0e","agenda_item_id":null,"speaker_id":"off_julia_m_pillsbury","speaker_confidence":0.95,"start_sec":3115.95,"end_sec":3144.95,"text":"I I do. I think that you're going to run into this type of problem again if you haven't in the past. And so the ADA is really strict. And so I think having a legal opinion makes sense and it gives everybody good guidance about where we can flex the law, where we should stick to the code, um and I think it's very reasonable.","topics_json":"[\"housing\"]","vector_id":"vec_seg_101429_241","created_at":"2026-10-31T08:12:08Z","speaker_name":"Julia M. Pillsbury"},{"id":"seg_101429_242","meeting_id":"101429","media_asset_id":"med_101429_65b0eb0781797b0e","agenda_item_id":null,"speaker_id":"off_roy_sudler_jr","speaker_confidence":0.95,"start_sec":3145.95,"end_sec":3153.95,"text":"Okay. Okay. So, at at this juncture, Ms. Evans? Can you hear me, Ms. Evans?","topics_json":"[]","vector_id":"vec_seg_101429_242","created_at":"2026-10-31T08:12:08Z","speaker_name":"Roy Sudler, Jr."},{"id":"seg_101429_243","meeting_id":"101429","media_asset_id":"med_101429_65b0eb0781797b0e","agenda_item_id":null,"speaker_id":"spk_101429_ms_evans","speaker_confidence":0.9,"start_sec":3154.95,"end_sec":3155.95,"text":"Yes, sir.","topics_json":"[]","vector_id":"vec_seg_101429_243","created_at":"2026-10-31T08:12:08Z","speaker_name":null},{"id":"seg_101429_244","meeting_id":"101429","media_asset_id":"med_101429_65b0eb0781797b0e","agenda_item_id":null,"speaker_id":"off_roy_sudler_jr","speaker_confidence":0.95,"start_sec":3156.95,"end_sec":3199.95,"text":"We are we're going to, how would be the proper way to say it, we're going to we're going to put this on pause so we can get a legal opinion in regards to your situation, how does the Americans with Disability Act view your case so that we can make sure it's it's fair all the way around and everyone will learn from this uh from this case, regardless whether it's favorable favorable for you or favorable for the city. This is a learning process, and we're just trying to make sure that our city is fair and that we, you know, administer uh the code and the laws evenly and fairly. Is that okay with you?","topics_json":"[\"housing\"]","vector_id":"vec_seg_101429_244","created_at":"2026-10-31T08:12:08Z","speaker_name":"Roy Sudler, Jr."},{"id":"seg_101429_245","meeting_id":"101429","media_asset_id":"med_101429_65b0eb0781797b0e","agenda_item_id":null,"speaker_id":"spk_101429_ms_evans","speaker_confidence":0.9,"start_sec":3200.95,"end_sec":3202.95,"text":"Yes, sir. I think that's the fair way to handle this.","topics_json":"[]","vector_id":"vec_seg_101429_245","created_at":"2026-10-31T08:12:08Z","speaker_name":null},{"id":"seg_101429_246","meeting_id":"101429","media_asset_id":"med_101429_65b0eb0781797b0e","agenda_item_id":null,"speaker_id":"off_roy_sudler_jr","speaker_confidence":0.95,"start_sec":3202.95,"end_sec":3231.95,"text":"Okay. I'm glad to hear that you're in agreement that that's a fair way to handle it. So what we're going to do is we're going to adjourn the meeting, but we're going to um reschedule for another date after we receive some more information in regards to how the the Americans Disability Act view uh this case uh in conjunction to our ordinance and and and then go from there. Are you in agreement?","topics_json":"[\"housing\"]","vector_id":"vec_seg_101429_246","created_at":"2026-10-31T08:12:08Z","speaker_name":"Roy Sudler, Jr."},{"id":"seg_101429_247","meeting_id":"101429","media_asset_id":"med_101429_65b0eb0781797b0e","agenda_item_id":null,"speaker_id":"spk_101429_ms_evans","speaker_confidence":0.9,"start_sec":3231.95,"end_sec":3236.95,"text":"Yes, sir, I am. Will I be notified will I be notified of the next hearing that I have to attend?","topics_json":"[]","vector_id":"vec_seg_101429_247","created_at":"2026-10-31T08:12:08Z","speaker_name":null},{"id":"seg_101429_248","meeting_id":"101429","media_asset_id":"med_101429_65b0eb0781797b0e","agenda_item_id":null,"speaker_id":"off_roy_sudler_jr","speaker_confidence":0.95,"start_sec":3237.95,"end_sec":3253.95,"text":"Yes, we will properly notify you. And I would say within 30 days minimum, at the max 60 days, 45 to 60 days, and we will we will reconvene and reschedule this. Okay?","topics_json":"[]","vector_id":"vec_seg_101429_248","created_at":"2026-10-31T08:12:08Z","speaker_name":"Roy Sudler, Jr."},{"id":"seg_101429_249","meeting_id":"101429","media_asset_id":"med_101429_65b0eb0781797b0e","agenda_item_id":null,"speaker_id":"spk_101429_ms_evans","speaker_confidence":0.9,"start_sec":3253.95,"end_sec":3254.95,"text":"Yes, sir.","topics_json":"[]","vector_id":"vec_seg_101429_249","created_at":"2026-10-31T08:12:08Z","speaker_name":null},{"id":"seg_101429_25","meeting_id":"101429","media_asset_id":"med_101429_65b0eb0781797b0e","agenda_item_id":null,"speaker_id":"spk_101429_matthew_layfield","speaker_confidence":1,"start_sec":615.5,"end_sec":735.5,"text":"I am Matthew Layfield. I'm code enforcement officer. I've been with the department for three years. I'm certified with the International Code Council. And so to give a little backstory on this, so as you know, on July 16, 9:30, I rode by and found her Honda was in the parked in the front yard, which is a violation for of parking in the grass, DCO section 106-130, parking in the grass. And this is her fourth offense. This is her fourth offense for parking in the grass and uh since December of '24. I issued so since it being her fourth offense, I issued her a citation for failure to maintain a known violation. So that that's a known violation. And the offenses that that she's been cited for parking in the grass where's in December of '24, she was wrote up for parking in the grass, May of '25, she was wrote up for parking in the grass, uh 12 of '25 she was she was wrote up for parking in the grass, and then again for in July of '26, she was wrote up for parking in the grass. So, this was four times and she was definitely notified because the first time was a door hanger, so she was given multiple notices about not parking in the grass.","topics_json":"[\"housing\",\"zoning\"]","vector_id":"vec_seg_101429_25","created_at":"2026-10-31T08:12:08Z","speaker_name":"Matthew Layfield"},{"id":"seg_101429_250","meeting_id":"101429","media_asset_id":"med_101429_65b0eb0781797b0e","agenda_item_id":null,"speaker_id":"off_roy_sudler_jr","speaker_confidence":0.95,"start_sec":3254.95,"end_sec":3286.95,"text":"And we thank you for your time. Uh before before before we before we do that, um we're going to we're going to do a motion. Thanks to Mr. Kopp reminding me in my older age. Uh thank Okay, so the chair would entertain a motion to adjourn the meeting and reconvene after a legal opinion and a review of the Americans with Disability Act and how uh they review this case.","topics_json":"[]","vector_id":"vec_seg_101429_250","created_at":"2026-10-31T08:12:08Z","speaker_name":"Roy Sudler, Jr."},{"id":"seg_101429_251","meeting_id":"101429","media_asset_id":"med_101429_65b0eb0781797b0e","agenda_item_id":null,"speaker_id":"off_julia_m_pillsbury","speaker_confidence":0.95,"start_sec":3287.95,"end_sec":3302.95,"text":"Do we want to limit it to this case or do we want to limit it to do we want it to be broader and have it look at our policy? Or our code, I'm sorry.","topics_json":"[\"housing\"]","vector_id":"vec_seg_101429_251","created_at":"2026-10-31T08:12:08Z","speaker_name":"Julia M. Pillsbury"},{"id":"seg_101429_252","meeting_id":"101429","media_asset_id":"med_101429_65b0eb0781797b0e","agenda_item_id":null,"speaker_id":"spk_101429_eddie_kopp","speaker_confidence":0.9,"start_sec":3302.95,"end_sec":3320.95,"text":"Well, at this at this juncture, Yeah, for this, it could only be um this case. If you want to take further action as a body of council, you could, but for this specific case, it's the only thing that could be heard today.","topics_json":"[]","vector_id":"vec_seg_101429_252","created_at":"2026-10-31T08:12:08Z","speaker_name":"Eddie Kopp"},{"id":"seg_101429_253","meeting_id":"101429","media_asset_id":"med_101429_65b0eb0781797b0e","agenda_item_id":null,"speaker_id":"off_julia_m_pillsbury","speaker_confidence":0.95,"start_sec":3320.95,"end_sec":3327.95,"text":"Okay. I just wanted to make sure since we sort of discussed the case, but we also discussed it in a broader context.","topics_json":"[]","vector_id":"vec_seg_101429_253","created_at":"2026-10-31T08:12:08Z","speaker_name":"Julia M. Pillsbury"},{"id":"seg_101429_254","meeting_id":"101429","media_asset_id":"med_101429_65b0eb0781797b0e","agenda_item_id":null,"speaker_id":"off_roy_sudler_jr","speaker_confidence":0.95,"start_sec":3328.95,"end_sec":3336.95,"text":"Yes, yes. Through through the case, we've seen the means that it'd be more beneficial for all, and that's why we're going to have that workshop. Okay? Um the chair will entertain a motion.","topics_json":"[]","vector_id":"vec_seg_101429_254","created_at":"2026-10-31T08:12:08Z","speaker_name":"Roy Sudler, Jr."},{"id":"seg_101429_255","meeting_id":"101429","media_asset_id":"med_101429_65b0eb0781797b0e","agenda_item_id":null,"speaker_id":"off_fred_a_neil","speaker_confidence":0.9,"start_sec":3337.95,"end_sec":3345.95,"text":"Yeah, I uh make a motion so we can postpone until uh we hear uh an articulation from City Council or Solicitor or whoever.","topics_json":"[]","vector_id":"vec_seg_101429_255","created_at":"2026-10-31T08:12:08Z","speaker_name":"Fred A. Neil"},{"id":"seg_101429_256","meeting_id":"101429","media_asset_id":"med_101429_65b0eb0781797b0e","agenda_item_id":null,"speaker_id":"off_roy_sudler_jr","speaker_confidence":0.95,"start_sec":3346.95,"end_sec":3411.95,"text":"Okay. It's been properly moved to postpone the meeting and adjourn until we have uh a legal opinion or legal advice in regards to this case and how ADA, Americans Disabilities Act um reviews, yes, conforms, yes, how it conforms with the with with this uh case and how it impacts this case. Uh is there a second? It's been properly second co-seconded by Dr. Pillsbury and Ms. Mane. Is there any discussion on the motion? Okay, I'd just like to say for the record, for discussion that um I think all parties have represented each other well. Uh I think we're going to learn from this, it's going to do nothing but make the city better, and if we have to make adjustments, we'll make adjustments uh regardless for favorable for whatever party. But um Ms. Evans, we are just trying to make sure that our city is safe and everyone is aligned with our ordinances, okay?","topics_json":"[\"housing\"]","vector_id":"vec_seg_101429_256","created_at":"2026-10-31T08:12:08Z","speaker_name":"Roy Sudler, Jr."},{"id":"seg_101429_257","meeting_id":"101429","media_asset_id":"med_101429_65b0eb0781797b0e","agenda_item_id":null,"speaker_id":"spk_101429_ms_evans","speaker_confidence":0.9,"start_sec":3412.95,"end_sec":3414.95,"text":"Yes, sir, we're fine with that. We understand.","topics_json":"[]","vector_id":"vec_seg_101429_257","created_at":"2026-10-31T08:12:08Z","speaker_name":null},{"id":"seg_101429_258","meeting_id":"101429","media_asset_id":"med_101429_65b0eb0781797b0e","agenda_item_id":null,"speaker_id":"off_roy_sudler_jr","speaker_confidence":0.95,"start_sec":3415.95,"end_sec":3428.95,"text":"All right. So um hearing no further discussion, all those in favor, please state by saying aye. Those opposed, please state by saying nay. The motion has been adopted unanimously. Uh the chair will now accept a motion to adjourn.","topics_json":"[]","vector_id":"vec_seg_101429_258","created_at":"2026-10-31T08:12:08Z","speaker_name":"Roy Sudler, Jr."},{"id":"seg_101429_259","meeting_id":"101429","media_asset_id":"med_101429_65b0eb0781797b0e","agenda_item_id":null,"speaker_id":"off_julia_m_pillsbury","speaker_confidence":0.95,"start_sec":3429.95,"end_sec":3430.95,"text":"So moved.","topics_json":"[]","vector_id":"vec_seg_101429_259","created_at":"2026-10-31T08:12:08Z","speaker_name":"Julia M. Pillsbury"},{"id":"seg_101429_26","meeting_id":"101429","media_asset_id":"med_101429_65b0eb0781797b0e","agenda_item_id":null,"speaker_id":"off_roy_sudler_jr","speaker_confidence":1,"start_sec":736,"end_sec":741,"text":"Does that conclude your statement? Yes, you may. Please state your name for the record.","topics_json":"[]","vector_id":"vec_seg_101429_26","created_at":"2026-10-31T08:12:08Z","speaker_name":"Roy Sudler, Jr."},{"id":"seg_101429_260","meeting_id":"101429","media_asset_id":"med_101429_65b0eb0781797b0e","agenda_item_id":null,"speaker_id":"off_roy_sudler_jr","speaker_confidence":0.95,"start_sec":3431.95,"end_sec":3450.95,"text":"It's been properly it's been properly moved by Councilwoman Pillsbury to adjourn. It's been properly seconded by Councilwoman uh Ms. Mane. Any discussion on the motion? Hearing none, all in favor state by saying aye. Aye. Thank you very much, Ms. Evans. We will get back to","topics_json":"[]","vector_id":"vec_seg_101429_260","created_at":"2026-10-31T08:12:08Z","speaker_name":"Roy Sudler, Jr."},{"id":"seg_101429_27","meeting_id":"101429","media_asset_id":"med_101429_65b0eb0781797b0e","agenda_item_id":null,"speaker_id":"spk_101429_eddie_kopp","speaker_confidence":1,"start_sec":741,"end_sec":832.5,"text":"If I may, Eddie Kopp, Chief Code Enforcement Officer for the City of Dover. I know the appellant brought up some information regarding the bobtail, and looking at the case history, now I can confirm that the bobtail was not addressed by the Division of Code Enforcement. There is no active violation for the bobtail parked on the property, nor is there any pending action for the bobtail parked on the property. She is correct in stating that the ordinance has recently changed. Once the ordinance or once the new ordinance has been codified, there could be a potential issue with the bobtail being parked on the property, but for these proceedings today it is irrelevant to the case.","topics_json":"[\"housing\",\"zoning\"]","vector_id":"vec_seg_101429_27","created_at":"2026-10-31T08:12:08Z","speaker_name":"Eddie Kopp"},{"id":"seg_101429_28","meeting_id":"101429","media_asset_id":"med_101429_65b0eb0781797b0e","agenda_item_id":null,"speaker_id":"off_roy_sudler_jr","speaker_confidence":1,"start_sec":833,"end_sec":838.5,"text":"Thank you, Eddie. For the record, can you please define bobtail?","topics_json":"[\"zoning\"]","vector_id":"vec_seg_101429_28","created_at":"2026-10-31T08:12:08Z","speaker_name":"Roy Sudler, Jr."},{"id":"seg_101429_29","meeting_id":"101429","media_asset_id":"med_101429_65b0eb0781797b0e","agenda_item_id":null,"speaker_id":"spk_101429_eddie_kopp","speaker_confidence":1,"start_sec":839,"end_sec":903.98,"text":"So, it is um the best way to explain it, it is a 18-wheeler, and it's just the hauling mechanism of it. So it's the motor vehicle aspect of the 18-wheeler, which would be a commercial vehicle, and it would meet the definition under the new ordinance that has not been codified correctly or has not been codified as of date, which is why it hasn't been addressed.","topics_json":"[\"zoning\"]","vector_id":"vec_seg_101429_29","created_at":"2026-10-31T08:12:08Z","speaker_name":"Eddie Kopp"},{"id":"seg_101429_3","meeting_id":"101429","media_asset_id":"med_101429_65b0eb0781797b0e","agenda_item_id":null,"speaker_id":"off_roy_sudler_jr","speaker_confidence":1,"start_sec":16,"end_sec":26.5,"text":"It's been It's been properly moved by Councilwoman Pillsbury to adopt the agenda, and properly seconded by Mr. Spain.","topics_json":"[]","vector_id":"vec_seg_101429_3","created_at":"2026-10-31T08:12:08Z","speaker_name":"Roy Sudler, Jr."},{"id":"seg_101429_30","meeting_id":"101429","media_asset_id":"med_101429_65b0eb0781797b0e","agenda_item_id":null,"speaker_id":"spk_101429_unknown_speaker","speaker_confidence":0.8,"start_sec":903.98,"end_sec":906.2,"text":"Okay. You can read into the record.","topics_json":"[]","vector_id":"vec_seg_101429_30","created_at":"2026-10-31T08:12:08Z","speaker_name":null},{"id":"seg_101429_31","meeting_id":"101429","media_asset_id":"med_101429_65b0eb0781797b0e","agenda_item_id":null,"speaker_id":"spk_101429_unknown_speaker","speaker_confidence":0.8,"start_sec":918.26,"end_sec":919.63,"text":"You can start with 2023.","topics_json":"[]","vector_id":"vec_seg_101429_31","created_at":"2026-10-31T08:12:08Z","speaker_name":null},{"id":"seg_101429_32","meeting_id":"101429","media_asset_id":"med_101429_65b0eb0781797b0e","agenda_item_id":null,"speaker_id":"spk_101429_unknown_speaker","speaker_confidence":0.8,"start_sec":928.57,"end_sec":931.65,"text":"It's almost- that's not the easiest system.","topics_json":"[]","vector_id":"vec_seg_101429_32","created_at":"2026-10-31T08:12:08Z","speaker_name":null},{"id":"seg_101429_33","meeting_id":"101429","media_asset_id":"med_101429_65b0eb0781797b0e","agenda_item_id":null,"speaker_id":"spk_101429_unknown_speaker","speaker_confidence":0.8,"start_sec":933.54,"end_sec":948.51,"text":"Well, in the meantime, I'll open up the chair will recognize committee members that have a question. I do believe it was Miss May, and then follow up with Miss Maule first. Okay. And then, we'll follow up with Maule.","topics_json":"[]","vector_id":"vec_seg_101429_33","created_at":"2026-10-31T08:12:08Z","speaker_name":null},{"id":"seg_101429_34","meeting_id":"101429","media_asset_id":"med_101429_65b0eb0781797b0e","agenda_item_id":null,"speaker_id":"spk_101429_unknown_speaker","speaker_confidence":0.8,"start_sec":948.9,"end_sec":966.78,"text":"Well, well let me clarify that. I know um it states that if the violation is rectified within that 30-day period, that it doesn't go any further than the 30-day period. 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They correct it and then do it again before--","topics_json":"[]","vector_id":"vec_seg_101429_41","created_at":"2026-10-31T08:12:08Z","speaker_name":null},{"id":"seg_101429_42","meeting_id":"101429","media_asset_id":"med_101429_65b0eb0781797b0e","agenda_item_id":null,"speaker_id":"spk_101429_unknown_speaker","speaker_confidence":0.8,"start_sec":981.27,"end_sec":1007,"text":"Uh okay, but the thing is, is you're holding four violations, four separate violations, on one violation that did you time how long the vehicle or the Bobcat or whatever it the whatever was parked on the front, how long it took her to move it? 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Because per se, if she did park on the street and he can't go over the curb and falls over and injures himself that way, would you have any type of violation of \"Oh, there was an obstruction from him getting from here to there, but you parked in front of someone else's property?\"","topics_json":"[]","vector_id":"vec_seg_101429_44","created_at":"2026-10-31T08:12:08Z","speaker_name":null},{"id":"seg_101429_45","meeting_id":"101429","media_asset_id":"med_101429_65b0eb0781797b0e","agenda_item_id":null,"speaker_id":"spk_101429_unknown_speaker","speaker_confidence":0.8,"start_sec":1082.67,"end_sec":1093.63,"text":"Well, the code doesn't state You see what I'm saying? Well, the code doesn't state whether they're there 5 seconds or they're there 30 days. It doesn't It it doesn't matter what the timeline is, it's still a violation. 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It is a running vehicle that can be moved in a matter of seconds or so.","topics_json":"[]","vector_id":"vec_seg_101429_46","created_at":"2026-10-31T08:12:08Z","speaker_name":null},{"id":"seg_101429_47","meeting_id":"101429","media_asset_id":"med_101429_65b0eb0781797b0e","agenda_item_id":null,"speaker_id":"spk_101429_unknown_speaker","speaker_confidence":0.8,"start_sec":1129.11,"end_sec":1132.82,"text":"Can we pull the picture of the violation on the screen, please?","topics_json":"[]","vector_id":"vec_seg_101429_47","created_at":"2026-10-31T08:12:08Z","speaker_name":null},{"id":"seg_101429_48","meeting_id":"101429","media_asset_id":"med_101429_65b0eb0781797b0e","agenda_item_id":null,"speaker_id":"spk_101429_unknown_speaker","speaker_confidence":0.8,"start_sec":1133.05,"end_sec":1140.76,"text":"Yes. Chair recognizes the Mr. Copp and instructs the clerk to, if you have these--","topics_json":"[]","vector_id":"vec_seg_101429_48","created_at":"2026-10-31T08:12:08Z","speaker_name":null},{"id":"seg_101429_49","meeting_id":"101429","media_asset_id":"med_101429_65b0eb0781797b0e","agenda_item_id":null,"speaker_id":"spk_101429_unknown_speaker","speaker_confidence":0.8,"start_sec":1141.43,"end_sec":1200.82,"text":"So, I want to bring your attention to the top photo one here. Um, the vehicle that's parked that's unoccupied in front of the door. Now, uh in speaking because I reviewed this myself, and um I- my interpretation was the code was interpreted correctly. So, if you look, the doors right there in the center of the photo. If the Bobcat was not in this driveway, the vehicle could be parked correctly in the driveway, and this would not be a violation. In reviewing the case history, uh which I'm going to read into the record here very shortly, uh this is a repeated offense. 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If the vehicle is non-operating or unregistered, it needs to be removed from the property.\" That was a cite- that was uh what the inspector cited uh Can I turn that? Can we turn this? Okay. For that statement there, is there anything um in- in the report that states that there was pretty much the same scenario here, where there was a vehicle already a 18-wheeler already in the parking area, or was it something? Cuz that was sort of, it's so specific to a vehicle and the grass, I can tell No, no, what I'm saying is, I I know the bit for the grass. 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So, if it's amenable to the board, I can either testify to because I've reviewed the pictures, or if I would like to you want to pause for a recess, or I can-- Let's take Let's take a pause. and only for uh, the capacity reasons. Um, if we can take a pause, and if you can provide that, I think that would that will um sort of, show the pattern, and because if the if the vehicle's still going to be in there, there's you're still going to have the same scenario. However, my main concern in regards to reasonable accommodations for a handicap, how does how does that play into this? Um, if he's if there are something called, you know, reasonable accommodations for handicap, and I want to make sure that, you know, that we have considered that, seeing that it's a knee replacement. But, but, I mean, you know, four years consecutively or a couple of years is a little extensive. I don't know, maybe. So, if you can if you we'll take a recess. 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I I And my next question is, hypothetically, if that truck was not there, I see how you're parallel straight up to the door. I get it. You open the door, and he goes right in. My question to you is, if the truck wasn't there, and you you drove straight in, the passenger side door is still right right there. 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If you like to, you can speak to him right here. That's why he has a handicap placard.","topics_json":"[]","vector_id":"vec_seg_101429_64","created_at":"2026-10-31T08:12:08Z","speaker_name":"Shelley Evans"},{"id":"seg_101429_65","meeting_id":"101429","media_asset_id":"med_101429_65b0eb0781797b0e","agenda_item_id":null,"speaker_id":"spk_101429_unknown_speaker","speaker_confidence":0.8,"start_sec":1434.96,"end_sec":1439.1,"text":"No, no. Miss Mrs. Evans, let let me rephrase that question.","topics_json":"[]","vector_id":"vec_seg_101429_65","created_at":"2026-10-31T08:12:08Z","speaker_name":null},{"id":"seg_101429_66","meeting_id":"101429","media_asset_id":"med_101429_65b0eb0781797b0e","agenda_item_id":null,"speaker_id":"spk_101429_unknown_speaker","speaker_confidence":0.8,"start_sec":1440.03,"end_sec":1448.73,"text":"If you put your front of your bumper, it's going to be exactly the same length and and be flushed against your front door. 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Okay, Madam Madam Clerk Willer.","topics_json":"[]","vector_id":"vec_seg_101429_91","created_at":"2026-10-31T08:12:08Z","speaker_name":null},{"id":"seg_101429_92","meeting_id":"101429","media_asset_id":"med_101429_65b0eb0781797b0e","agenda_item_id":null,"speaker_id":"spk_101429_unknown_speaker","speaker_confidence":0.8,"start_sec":1714.82,"end_sec":1732.65,"text":"Um, these are um citation letters back from uh 2023 with pictures, and--","topics_json":"[]","vector_id":"vec_seg_101429_92","created_at":"2026-10-31T08:12:08Z","speaker_name":null},{"id":"seg_101429_93","meeting_id":"101429","media_asset_id":"med_101429_65b0eb0781797b0e","agenda_item_id":null,"speaker_id":"spk_101429_unknown_speaker","speaker_confidence":0.8,"start_sec":1734.05,"end_sec":1735.6,"text":"Can you go back to the picture, please? 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Do you happen to have any information in regards to or a letter from your doctor specifying that, you know, your husband's going to need some type of accommodation?","topics_json":"[]","vector_id":"vec_seg_101429_97","created_at":"2026-10-31T08:12:08Z","speaker_name":null},{"id":"seg_101429_98","meeting_id":"101429","media_asset_id":"med_101429_65b0eb0781797b0e","agenda_item_id":null,"speaker_id":"spk_101429_shelley_evans","speaker_confidence":0.8,"start_sec":1761.04,"end_sec":1776.21,"text":"I have a handicap placard for him. Um, I apologize, somebody's driving crazy in my neighborhood. Um, but as far as Do we have letters on hand? 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I don't know if it'll help matters any.","topics_json":"[]","vector_id":"vec_seg_101429_99","created_at":"2026-10-31T08:12:08Z","speaker_name":"Shelley Evans"},{"id":"seg_101494_1","meeting_id":"101494","media_asset_id":"med_101494_f68c3bca1174f74d","agenda_item_id":null,"speaker_id":"off_fred_a_neil","speaker_confidence":0.95,"start_sec":0,"end_sec":6.1,"text":"Do you have the agenda before you? I have a motion to approve the agenda.","topics_json":"[]","vector_id":"vec_seg_101494_1","created_at":"2026-10-31T08:05:48Z","speaker_name":"Fred A. Neil"},{"id":"seg_101494_10","meeting_id":"101494","media_asset_id":"med_101494_f68c3bca1174f74d","agenda_item_id":null,"speaker_id":"off_robin_r_christiansen","speaker_confidence":0.95,"start_sec":289.67,"end_sec":333.76,"text":"Council's job, according to the charter, is to legislate and finance. And I believe that the success of our commissions, our boards, the Human Relations Commission, and other entities that are charged with the governance, the assistance in the governance of this city, need to be free and independent, transparent, and above reproach. Thank you.","topics_json":"[]","vector_id":"vec_seg_101494_10","created_at":"2026-10-31T08:05:48Z","speaker_name":"Robin R. Christiansen"},{"id":"seg_101494_100","meeting_id":"101494","media_asset_id":"med_101494_f68c3bca1174f74d","agenda_item_id":null,"speaker_id":"spk_101494_andria_bennett","speaker_confidence":0.95,"start_sec":2705.95,"end_sec":2743.83,"text":"Yes, sir, but it does cost money. It's through a um like a subscription service or some kind of provider, so I believe the city pays money. 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Thank you.","topics_json":"[]","vector_id":"vec_seg_101494_104","created_at":"2026-10-31T08:05:48Z","speaker_name":"Roy Sudler, Jr."},{"id":"seg_101494_105","meeting_id":"101494","media_asset_id":"med_101494_f68c3bca1174f74d","agenda_item_id":null,"speaker_id":"off_fred_a_neil","speaker_confidence":0.95,"start_sec":2866.64,"end_sec":2907.74,"text":"Uh DHRC is going to have to basically decide what what what they're going to have and when they're going to have it. And it's going to have to they're going to have to attend things that are not on a regular schedule, their regular schedule. Because this is a tremendous amount of training that you're subjecting your people to or requesting that training for. So we'll let the uh clerk's office be able to set up what what is available, to get back to the commission, and let them decide what what's going to happen and how it's going to happen. Because you've got a lot on your plate. A lot on your plate. Okay, is there any additional comments?","topics_json":"[]","vector_id":"vec_seg_101494_105","created_at":"2026-10-31T08:05:48Z","speaker_name":"Fred A. Neil"},{"id":"seg_101494_106","meeting_id":"101494","media_asset_id":"med_101494_f68c3bca1174f74d","agenda_item_id":null,"speaker_id":"off_brian_e_lewis","speaker_confidence":0.95,"start_sec":2907.74,"end_sec":2949.44,"text":"Uh yes, Mr. Neil. I'd like to interject with respect to you're on, as far as training. Uh once again, I think it's imperative because of the fact that uh this commission is part of the city. And as far as training, it could become a liability issue, in my opinion, if in fact a lot of these commissioners are not trained when they render their decisions. Um, further for um the chair of the Dover Human Relations Commission, I just have a couple of comments uh for Dr. Celano. With respect to your agenda, I'm going to work backwards if you'll indulge me for a minute. I think most of the um entities on here, as far as training, uh community relation events, materials, printing, graphics, marketing, etc., could be coordinated through the city clerk's office. In my opinion, it's done it been done that way in the past. Uh by the way, you know, I served on the Dover Human Relations Commission for several years. I actually that's where I started uh getting involved in communities and boards, uh etc. Uh so, um the clerk's office always coordinated those type of requests. As far as the","topics_json":"[\"public_safety\"]","vector_id":"vec_seg_101494_106","created_at":"2026-10-31T08:05:48Z","speaker_name":"Brian E. Lewis"},{"id":"seg_101494_107","meeting_id":"101494","media_asset_id":"med_101494_f68c3bca1174f74d","agenda_item_id":null,"speaker_id":"off_brian_e_lewis","speaker_confidence":0.95,"start_sec":2949.47,"end_sec":3071.17,"text":"third district vacancy, um, I would implore uh Mr. Neil and Ms. Arndt uh because it's their responsibility to appoint somebody in their district to this commission. Uh how I did it when there was a vacancy in the second district, actually when I came on council there was two vacancies, uh I went out to the community. Uh I went over to Luther Towers, uh which is, Luther Village, excuse me, uh which is a part of the second district and I asked over there. Uh Ms. White, um, was fell in willing to take on the position of commissioner. So I went out there and kind of recruited. So, uh I know Mr. Neil lives in a uh a private community, maybe there's a newsletter over there you could put an ad to see if we could uh he could and Ms. Arndt track uh interested parties for that vacancy in the third district. As far as the liaison, um, as I previously indicated, I had served on commission, but back then we didn't have a liaison. Uh so this liaison stuff, um, it's kind of it's kind of new uh within the past couple of years. Um, because when I was on council 2011 to 2015, there wasn't a lot of uh liaison positions. We didn't have a liaison for the Board of Education, for Capital School District, and a lot of other commissions and boards. So, uh it's something that um we we didn't have in the past. So, you know, to me it doesn't matter. I mean if you guys want a liaison that's fine, but it's kind of something that really never existed before. Um this was put in when I had left council, and you know, then I came back and there was a lot of changes. So, uh I don't want to take up any more time, um, and and that's all I have. Thank you.","topics_json":"[]","vector_id":"vec_seg_101494_107","created_at":"2026-10-31T08:05:48Z","speaker_name":"Brian E. Lewis"},{"id":"seg_101494_108","meeting_id":"101494","media_asset_id":"med_101494_f68c3bca1174f74d","agenda_item_id":null,"speaker_id":"off_fred_a_neil","speaker_confidence":0.95,"start_sec":3071.17,"end_sec":3076.27,"text":"Thank you. Are there any other questions? Yes, uh, Councilman...","topics_json":"[]","vector_id":"vec_seg_101494_108","created_at":"2026-10-31T08:05:48Z","speaker_name":"Fred A. Neil"},{"id":"seg_101494_109","meeting_id":"101494","media_asset_id":"med_101494_f68c3bca1174f74d","agenda_item_id":null,"speaker_id":"off_andre_m_boggerty","speaker_confidence":0.95,"start_sec":3076.27,"end_sec":3146.07,"text":"Thank- thank you, Council President. I I I just wanted to put on the record what the municipal code says as far as the Human Relations Commission. Um, the first thing is, uh, it says it promote that that the of it promotes fairness and respect, uh, to develop an environment of fairness and respect among its citizens. And number two is monitoring: develop ways to measure and monitor community relations. And the third one is intergroup relations: uh, involve all segments of the community in understanding and appreciating the benefits of positive intergroup relations. The fourth is issues: offer a range of programs and services that will help its residents and neighbors prevent and resolve issues of human relations. And the fifth one is intergroup conflict, and it says develop ways of anticipating","topics_json":"[]","vector_id":"vec_seg_101494_109","created_at":"2026-10-31T08:05:48Z","speaker_name":"Andre M. Boggerty"},{"id":"seg_101494_11","meeting_id":"101494","media_asset_id":"med_101494_f68c3bca1174f74d","agenda_item_id":null,"speaker_id":"spk_101494_meeting_chair","speaker_confidence":0.8,"start_sec":334.32,"end_sec":337.3,"text":"Thank you. Thank you, Mr. Mayor.","topics_json":"[]","vector_id":"vec_seg_101494_11","created_at":"2026-10-31T08:05:48Z","speaker_name":null},{"id":"seg_101494_110","meeting_id":"101494","media_asset_id":"med_101494_f68c3bca1174f74d","agenda_item_id":null,"speaker_id":"off_gerald_l_rocha_sr","speaker_confidence":0.95,"start_sec":3146.1,"end_sec":3303.7,"text":"preparing for and relieving community tensions arising from intergroup conflict. So I just wanted to put that out there because there is nothing here that says that we investigate, that we are proactive. Now we can make make the change, but as it currently stands, though those that's that's basically the purpose of the commission. Um however, and nothing that you, Dr. Sudler, put in this document that you provided to us um suggests anything of that nature um and is doable, it sounds to me. Um whether or not we want a liaison or not um or to continue with the liaison, that's up for discussion still probably. Um it might not be a bad idea to take some of the stress off of the city clerk if we had liaison. I will put that out there. You know, when it comes to the coordination, some of the trainings and stuff like that. Um do they need to attend every meeting? I don't I don't know if they need to do that unless you deem otherwise. So if you I think that if it's pertinent that the somebody from the council is present, then I think it, you know, would be you know, if it's advantageous and you think they you need presence there to reach out to the liaison and if the liaison can't make it, anyone of us could be asked to to show up um as an alternate. Um I like the internship idea. Uh as they ID cards, banners, and marketing materials, there is a budget that you have. I don't know if those items would exhaust the budget, but hey, you know, price out some of this stuff and see how much, you know, if you need help, I'm sure that, you know, clerk with questions could could answer some of your questions. As far as printing goes, same thing. But do we need to add more money to the budget? We don't know that unless we unless we, you know, know how much the stuff is going to cost. But it's not you have some money in the budget. I think that you can at least get a tablecloth or some banners and stuff like that that you're asking for. Um yeah, I think that that should pretty much cover it. I would also add mediation training, maybe, you know, if they're if you think that that would be helpful, there are resources out there that can give you mediation training. Um and that that's it. I I yield, Council President.","topics_json":"[\"budget\"]","vector_id":"vec_seg_101494_110","created_at":"2026-10-31T08:05:48Z","speaker_name":"Gerald L. Rocha, Sr."},{"id":"seg_101494_111","meeting_id":"101494","media_asset_id":"med_101494_f68c3bca1174f74d","agenda_item_id":null,"speaker_id":"off_fred_a_neil","speaker_confidence":0.95,"start_sec":3303.7,"end_sec":3309.7,"text":"Thank you, sir. Any other comments? Yes, uh Councilman Sudler.","topics_json":"[]","vector_id":"vec_seg_101494_111","created_at":"2026-10-31T08:05:48Z","speaker_name":"Fred A. Neil"},{"id":"seg_101494_112","meeting_id":"101494","media_asset_id":"med_101494_f68c3bca1174f74d","agenda_item_id":null,"speaker_id":"off_roy_sudler_jr","speaker_confidence":0.95,"start_sec":3309.7,"end_sec":3342.7,"text":"Uh thank you for recognizing me. Uh I just wanted to also specify that uh Ms. Cooper, who's also a a commissioner for the State Human Relations Commission and Civil Rights Committee, has stated that they do provide training and that they would be willing to train our commissioners in regards to what the State Human Relations Commission does. And and which is uh which they do have a component of mediation. Uh so um I concur with uh Councilman Rocha in regards to mindfulness mediation that","topics_json":"[]","vector_id":"vec_seg_101494_112","created_at":"2026-10-31T08:05:48Z","speaker_name":"Roy Sudler, Jr."},{"id":"seg_101494_113","meeting_id":"101494","media_asset_id":"med_101494_f68c3bca1174f74d","agenda_item_id":null,"speaker_id":"off_andre_m_boggerty","speaker_confidence":0.95,"start_sec":3342.73,"end_sec":3376.2,"text":"And it's something that the State Human Relations Commission has already uh said that they would do when I was liaison uh to the uh commission when chairwoman uh Danya Hall was there when I was, when I was the liaison. Uh Ms. Cooper has stated and I believe she also attended the Dover Human Relations Commission and said that they would be willing to coordinate a, a mediate, not mediation, but a training uh with the state, between the state and and the uh Dover, the local when I was the liaison.","topics_json":"[]","vector_id":"vec_seg_101494_113","created_at":"2026-10-31T08:05:48Z","speaker_name":"Andre M. Boggerty"},{"id":"seg_101494_114","meeting_id":"101494","media_asset_id":"med_101494_f68c3bca1174f74d","agenda_item_id":null,"speaker_id":"off_fred_a_neil","speaker_confidence":0.85,"start_sec":3376.2,"end_sec":3377.73,"text":"Oh, yeah. Mhm.","topics_json":"[]","vector_id":"vec_seg_101494_114","created_at":"2026-10-31T08:05:48Z","speaker_name":"Fred A. 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Boggerty"},{"id":"seg_101494_116","meeting_id":"101494","media_asset_id":"med_101494_f68c3bca1174f74d","agenda_item_id":null,"speaker_id":"off_fred_a_neil","speaker_confidence":0.9,"start_sec":3444.13,"end_sec":3445.56,"text":"Thank you. Councilman Rocha.","topics_json":"[]","vector_id":"vec_seg_101494_116","created_at":"2026-10-31T08:05:48Z","speaker_name":"Fred A. Neil"},{"id":"seg_101494_117","meeting_id":"101494","media_asset_id":"med_101494_f68c3bca1174f74d","agenda_item_id":null,"speaker_id":"off_gerald_l_rocha_sr","speaker_confidence":0.95,"start_sec":3445.56,"end_sec":3492.88,"text":"Yes, just to piggyback off of uh Dr. Sudler. If my memory serves, when I served on the uh commission, we had a liaison from this commission that sat on the human relation, the state Human Relations Commission. And I don't know if if anybody here has been appointed or I don't know how that, that was before my time that she was on the commission. Um Commissioner Mullen, you might rememb- recall that part. Um, but I don't I don't see why we couldn't ask if someone local is on the state commission, would they be able to participate on as like an at-large person, I think it was. I I yield.","topics_json":"[]","vector_id":"vec_seg_101494_117","created_at":"2026-10-31T08:05:48Z","speaker_name":"Gerald L. Rocha, Sr."},{"id":"seg_101494_118","meeting_id":"101494","media_asset_id":"med_101494_f68c3bca1174f74d","agenda_item_id":null,"speaker_id":"off_fred_a_neil","speaker_confidence":0.95,"start_sec":3493.88,"end_sec":3497.24,"text":"Any other questions from council? Mr. Faust.","topics_json":"[]","vector_id":"vec_seg_101494_118","created_at":"2026-10-31T08:05:48Z","speaker_name":"Fred A. 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So we are very devoted to the citizens and to the mayor and council, so I just want to express express that we are is do more than lip service or just sit behind a desk. A lot of us are using our own personal funds to help our public, the citizens of Dover. Thank you.","topics_json":"[\"budget\"]","vector_id":"vec_seg_101494_119","created_at":"2026-10-31T08:05:48Z","speaker_name":"Faust"},{"id":"seg_101494_12","meeting_id":"101494","media_asset_id":"med_101494_f68c3bca1174f74d","agenda_item_id":null,"speaker_id":"spk_101494_meeting_chair","speaker_confidence":0.8,"start_sec":338.23,"end_sec":343.45,"text":"Um, comment from council? Yes, Councilman Sudler.","topics_json":"[]","vector_id":"vec_seg_101494_12","created_at":"2026-10-31T08:05:48Z","speaker_name":null},{"id":"seg_101494_120","meeting_id":"101494","media_asset_id":"med_101494_f68c3bca1174f74d","agenda_item_id":null,"speaker_id":"off_fred_a_neil","speaker_confidence":0.95,"start_sec":3539.37,"end_sec":3549.77,"text":"and we will get back to you in terms of what we can advise or what help we might be able to provide in direction with these. And with that, I'll accept a motion for","topics_json":"[]","vector_id":"vec_seg_101494_120","created_at":"2026-10-31T08:05:48Z","speaker_name":"Fred A. Neil"},{"id":"seg_101494_121","meeting_id":"101494","media_asset_id":"med_101494_f68c3bca1174f74d","agenda_item_id":null,"speaker_id":"spk_101494_city_clerk","speaker_confidence":0.9,"start_sec":3549.77,"end_sec":3552.87,"text":"There's a motion on the floor still. This was discussion.","topics_json":"[]","vector_id":"vec_seg_101494_121","created_at":"2026-10-31T08:05:48Z","speaker_name":null},{"id":"seg_101494_122","meeting_id":"101494","media_asset_id":"med_101494_f68c3bca1174f74d","agenda_item_id":null,"speaker_id":"off_fred_a_neil","speaker_confidence":0.95,"start_sec":3552.87,"end_sec":3563.67,"text":"There's still a motion on the floor? Okay. We have a motion on the floor. We'll have to do that then. I call for the motion, and we've discussed. All in ask requests, all in favor please say aye.","topics_json":"[]","vector_id":"vec_seg_101494_122","created_at":"2026-10-31T08:05:48Z","speaker_name":"Fred A. 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I can definitely try.","topics_json":"[]","vector_id":"vec_seg_101494_124","created_at":"2026-10-31T08:05:48Z","speaker_name":"Roy Sudler, Jr."},{"id":"seg_101494_125","meeting_id":"101494","media_asset_id":"med_101494_f68c3bca1174f74d","agenda_item_id":null,"speaker_id":"spk_101494_city_clerk","speaker_confidence":0.9,"start_sec":3583.37,"end_sec":3595.47,"text":"I have direct the city clerk's office to coordinate and facilitate the training and events requested from the DHRC. I was writing and listening and writing.","topics_json":"[]","vector_id":"vec_seg_101494_125","created_at":"2026-10-31T08:05:48Z","speaker_name":null},{"id":"seg_101494_126","meeting_id":"101494","media_asset_id":"med_101494_f68c3bca1174f74d","agenda_item_id":null,"speaker_id":"off_roy_sudler_jr","speaker_confidence":0.95,"start_sec":3595.47,"end_sec":3658.27,"text":"Actually, I'm sorry. I did write it down, so I can I can read it. Let me read it. Okay. So, um, I move that the City Council direct the clerk's office to aid the Dover Human Relations Commission with coordinating and facilitating the areas requested for training within a period of 60 days from today.","topics_json":"[]","vector_id":"vec_seg_101494_126","created_at":"2026-10-31T08:05:48Z","speaker_name":"Roy Sudler, Jr."},{"id":"seg_101494_127","meeting_id":"101494","media_asset_id":"med_101494_f68c3bca1174f74d","agenda_item_id":null,"speaker_id":"off_brian_e_lewis","speaker_confidence":0.9,"start_sec":3658.27,"end_sec":3659.67,"text":"I'll second it.","topics_json":"[]","vector_id":"vec_seg_101494_127","created_at":"2026-10-31T08:05:48Z","speaker_name":"Brian E. 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Um, I just wanted to know from the mayor, um, what does he and what does his vision, uh, entail with his wisdom of many years, uh, on City Council? Uh, what does his vision entail, uh, or his perception entail when it comes to independence...","topics_json":"[]","vector_id":"vec_seg_101494_13","created_at":"2026-10-31T08:05:48Z","speaker_name":"Roy Sudler, Jr."},{"id":"seg_101494_130","meeting_id":"101494","media_asset_id":"med_101494_f68c3bca1174f74d","agenda_item_id":null,"speaker_id":"off_fred_a_neil","speaker_confidence":0.95,"start_sec":3663.17,"end_sec":3669.97,"text":"Uh okay. Um, that is the question on the floor. All in favor, please say aye.","topics_json":"[]","vector_id":"vec_seg_101494_130","created_at":"2026-10-31T08:05:48Z","speaker_name":"Fred A. 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I just want if you quickly elaborate more on that, just so um those who are not familiar with the origin and the background of why the Dover Human Relations Commission was orchestrated from the beginning, uh I just want to see if you can shed some light on that, and to, you know, to show how imperative and important is of the work of the Dover Relations Commission and it not being um, you know, stagnated. Thank you.","topics_json":"[]","vector_id":"vec_seg_101494_14","created_at":"2026-10-31T08:05:48Z","speaker_name":"Roy Sudler, Jr."},{"id":"seg_101494_15","meeting_id":"101494","media_asset_id":"med_101494_f68c3bca1174f74d","agenda_item_id":null,"speaker_id":"off_andre_m_boggerty","speaker_confidence":0.75,"start_sec":421.5,"end_sec":426.13,"text":"Dr. Sudler, could you repeat that, cuz the Mayor had to take a phone call, I don't think he heard everything you said.","topics_json":"[]","vector_id":"vec_seg_101494_15","created_at":"2026-10-31T08:05:48Z","speaker_name":"Andre M. Boggerty"},{"id":"seg_101494_16","meeting_id":"101494","media_asset_id":"med_101494_f68c3bca1174f74d","agenda_item_id":null,"speaker_id":"off_roy_sudler_jr","speaker_confidence":0.95,"start_sec":426.13,"end_sec":474.6,"text":"Oh, thank you. I just wanted to know, Mayor, if you could just elaborate on your vision or your perception of of what you feel as though um the autonomy should be for the Dover Human Relations Commission, knowing the origin of when it was uh orchestrated back in 2000, 2001 under the Peace Harmony panel. I don't know if you were on that panel back then.","topics_json":"[]","vector_id":"vec_seg_101494_16","created_at":"2026-10-31T08:05:48Z","speaker_name":"Roy Sudler, Jr."},{"id":"seg_101494_17","meeting_id":"101494","media_asset_id":"med_101494_f68c3bca1174f74d","agenda_item_id":null,"speaker_id":"off_robin_r_christiansen","speaker_confidence":0.95,"start_sec":474.6,"end_sec":475.99,"text":"No, that was prior to then.","topics_json":"[]","vector_id":"vec_seg_101494_17","created_at":"2026-10-31T08:05:48Z","speaker_name":"Robin R. Christiansen"},{"id":"seg_101494_18","meeting_id":"101494","media_asset_id":"med_101494_f68c3bca1174f74d","agenda_item_id":null,"speaker_id":"off_roy_sudler_jr","speaker_confidence":0.95,"start_sec":475.99,"end_sec":497.21,"text":"Yes. And and so um being as one of two here, original members, myself and the Mayor, I want to know what do you feel as though uh 20 years some later, what do you feel as though should be uh their charge and what kind of autonomy, when you said free from you know the independency, can you just elaborate more on that?","topics_json":"[]","vector_id":"vec_seg_101494_18","created_at":"2026-10-31T08:05:48Z","speaker_name":"Roy Sudler, Jr."},{"id":"seg_101494_19","meeting_id":"101494","media_asset_id":"med_101494_f68c3bca1174f74d","agenda_item_id":null,"speaker_id":"off_robin_r_christiansen","speaker_confidence":0.95,"start_sec":497.21,"end_sec":587.73,"text":"Thank you, uh Dr. Sudler. And I don't want this this to be the Mayor's show because this is the uh Human Relations uh meeting with uh City Council. But my vision was that, you know, many people are uh inhibited from speaking to Mayor and Council on issues that are of great concern to this community. And I see the charge still uh at for the Human Relations Commission uh as a sounding board for those who have no voice. I've always believed that there should be a voice for those who have no voice. And the voice says as far as I'm concerned, Dr. Sudler, the mission today is still the same. Although, a lot of people don't take advantage of it, and some uh mistakenly believe that uh that they shouldn't, but the Human Relations Commission should be the voice of those who have no voice, and matters that concern them that uh they have no voice. The Human Relations Commission can be the voice to investigate uh on issues that brought before them, and then bring it to Council. And that's how I I have seen it, and that's how I see it now. Thank you, Dr. Sudler.","topics_json":"[]","vector_id":"vec_seg_101494_19","created_at":"2026-10-31T08:05:48Z","speaker_name":"Robin R. 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Thank you, sir.","topics_json":"[]","vector_id":"vec_seg_101494_20","created_at":"2026-10-31T08:05:48Z","speaker_name":"Roy Sudler, Jr."},{"id":"seg_101494_21","meeting_id":"101494","media_asset_id":"med_101494_f68c3bca1174f74d","agenda_item_id":null,"speaker_id":"off_roy_sudler_jr","speaker_confidence":0.95,"start_sec":589.89,"end_sec":589.89,"text":"And then final, my last question is, uh this to the Council President, uh Council President Neil, do we have, for the Dover Human Relations Commission, do we have an itemized list of what the state Human Relations Commission is charged with and and how it varies uh","topics_json":"[]","vector_id":"vec_seg_101494_21","created_at":"2026-10-31T08:05:48Z","speaker_name":"Roy Sudler, Jr."},{"id":"seg_101494_22","meeting_id":"101494","media_asset_id":"med_101494_f68c3bca1174f74d","agenda_item_id":null,"speaker_id":"off_roy_sudler_jr","speaker_confidence":0.95,"start_sec":589.89,"end_sec":672.29,"text":"from what the Dover Human Relations Commission was charged with because the State Human Relations Commission was the entity that that um trained and helped put together the Dover Human Relations Commission. That's why so many of the charges were aimed, are duplicated because we were supposed to be able to be independent, as the mayor said, to do fact-finding investigation, holding hearings on, you know, do that in our own capacity on a local level. That was the initial uh origin of the of the conceptual model. So I think they need to know, and I think also Brother Flemming, he was here at the beginning as well. I think he can speak to that and witness to that as well. So in my view, I think in order for the Dover Human Relations Commission today in 2026 to be a little bit more progressive uh and have some idea of what their charge is and not duplicate and spend time on duplicating and finding out, oh, you can't do this cause the state does that. I would like to know, do we currently have an itemized list of what the state does versus what the city's charge is so that they can, that would help expedite the time they would uh be spending, you know, sorting through and guessing uh whether or not this is their purview. Do we do we have that? Because I know that's been an issue throughout the years.","topics_json":"[]","vector_id":"vec_seg_101494_22","created_at":"2026-10-31T08:05:48Z","speaker_name":"Roy Sudler, Jr."},{"id":"seg_101494_23","meeting_id":"101494","media_asset_id":"med_101494_f68c3bca1174f74d","agenda_item_id":null,"speaker_id":"off_fred_a_neil","speaker_confidence":0.95,"start_sec":672.29,"end_sec":678.39,"text":"I would defer to the Madam Clerk, and if we don't, we certainly should be able to get it, shouldn't we? Let's see then.","topics_json":"[]","vector_id":"vec_seg_101494_23","created_at":"2026-10-31T08:05:48Z","speaker_name":"Fred A. Neil"},{"id":"seg_101494_24","meeting_id":"101494","media_asset_id":"med_101494_f68c3bca1174f74d","agenda_item_id":null,"speaker_id":"spk_101494_city_clerk","speaker_confidence":0.95,"start_sec":678.69,"end_sec":696.49,"text":"We do not. We do not review at all. We send it to Dan. That's been the process. Dan then decide or, I should say the solicitor, not Dan specifically. Um we don't review the code to see if it meets the threshold. That's what the solicitor is used for, sir.","topics_json":"[]","vector_id":"vec_seg_101494_24","created_at":"2026-10-31T08:05:48Z","speaker_name":null},{"id":"seg_101494_25","meeting_id":"101494","media_asset_id":"med_101494_f68c3bca1174f74d","agenda_item_id":null,"speaker_id":"off_roy_sudler_jr","speaker_confidence":0.95,"start_sec":696.49,"end_sec":712.39,"text":"Okay, so as the solicitor have an itemized list of what uh, you know, what the state does versus what our local government does so that they won't duplicate services and not be guessing? Because I think that's imperative for clarity.","topics_json":"[]","vector_id":"vec_seg_101494_25","created_at":"2026-10-31T08:05:48Z","speaker_name":"Roy Sudler, Jr."},{"id":"seg_101494_26","meeting_id":"101494","media_asset_id":"med_101494_f68c3bca1174f74d","agenda_item_id":null,"speaker_id":"spk_101494_dan_mcallister","speaker_confidence":0.95,"start_sec":712.39,"end_sec":784.09,"text":"Thank you, uh Doctor. Uh the state does not have an itemized list of what the State Human Relations Commission does. The State Human As I recall, the State Human Relations Commission is actually much broader uh and has more responsibilities than the the City of Dover's uh human rights uh commission. In the state, it's called the Human Rights and Ci- uh Human Relations and Civil Rights uh Commission. They actually have, they have hearings, they enforce the state's fair housing laws. Uh they it's it's an agency that has subpoena power uh when they find a if they believe there's been a violation of the Fair Housing Act, they have the right to uh investigate that, when they have to um they hear appeal claims of discrimination in housing matters. So when when I look at the charter, I'm sorry, the uh the Dover code, the municipal code, about what the Dover Human Relations Commission does, um it's a lot more narrow than what the State uh Human Relations and Civil Rights Commission does. Uh but it there's a website that actually outlines what the State of Delaware's Human Relations and Civil Rights Commission does.","topics_json":"[\"housing\"]","vector_id":"vec_seg_101494_26","created_at":"2026-10-31T08:05:48Z","speaker_name":"Dan McAllister"},{"id":"seg_101494_27","meeting_id":"101494","media_asset_id":"med_101494_f68c3bca1174f74d","agenda_item_id":null,"speaker_id":"off_roy_sudler_jr","speaker_confidence":0.95,"start_sec":784.39,"end_sec":786.49,"text":"Uh thank you. I I yield.","topics_json":"[]","vector_id":"vec_seg_101494_27","created_at":"2026-10-31T08:05:48Z","speaker_name":"Roy Sudler, Jr."},{"id":"seg_101494_28","meeting_id":"101494","media_asset_id":"med_101494_f68c3bca1174f74d","agenda_item_id":null,"speaker_id":"spk_101494_unknown_speaker","speaker_confidence":0.7,"start_sec":786.53,"end_sec":808.53,"text":"I think just recently that they went into the civil component. But, as one who served on the State Human Relations Commission from 2015 to '17, '14 to '17, um, you know, it it's pretty it's pretty much the same. I think just recently they added the civil component. But, the aim is they still do both components. Probably they'll bring back more. Thank you, Council President.","topics_json":"[]","vector_id":"vec_seg_101494_28","created_at":"2026-10-31T08:05:48Z","speaker_name":null},{"id":"seg_101494_29","meeting_id":"101494","media_asset_id":"med_101494_f68c3bca1174f74d","agenda_item_id":null,"speaker_id":"off_robin_r_christiansen","speaker_confidence":0.85,"start_sec":808.6,"end_sec":810.17,"text":"Thank you. Thank you.","topics_json":"[]","vector_id":"vec_seg_101494_29","created_at":"2026-10-31T08:05:48Z","speaker_name":"Robin R. Christiansen"},{"id":"seg_101494_3","meeting_id":"101494","media_asset_id":"med_101494_f68c3bca1174f74d","agenda_item_id":null,"speaker_id":"off_fred_a_neil","speaker_confidence":0.95,"start_sec":9.4,"end_sec":15.6,"text":"Was there a second? It's been moved and seconded. Any discussion? All in favor, please say aye.","topics_json":"[]","vector_id":"vec_seg_101494_3","created_at":"2026-10-31T08:05:48Z","speaker_name":"Fred A. Neil"},{"id":"seg_101494_30","meeting_id":"101494","media_asset_id":"med_101494_f68c3bca1174f74d","agenda_item_id":null,"speaker_id":"off_fred_a_neil","speaker_confidence":0.95,"start_sec":810.17,"end_sec":983.13,"text":"Uh there's certainly a number of things that have not been tapped uh that could be brought without really going beyond uh the recommendations that say review city programs, activities, functions, and ordinances, and make recommendations to the city council for new, amended, or changed program, uh functions, activities, or ordinances that can support inclusiveness and equality among city residents and enhance communication and understanding among city residents. And that is is a a entire uh area that has not been explored, at least not recently. And there's certainly a lot of our ordinances that we are bringing up uh to to to uh uh local and to update uh to to what the circumstances are now. So, it's there. So, I think that in terms of the list that uh uh Dr. the the other Dr. Sudler, [laughter] the caring Dr. Sudler has brought to us, a community liaison, uh we have had offers from members of council to stop in to hear and listen. And I think it behooves that the the person that the council president has has uh appointed if he cannot to see if we can have someone there to make sure that there's a council person there. The third district vacancy, I've sent out an email uh soliciting people to become a member of that group and have copied uh uh the Representative uh uh Mullins on it because I think she's terrific, and uh basically uh no one has raised their hand. One person did, but they wanted to know if it got paid. And at that point, they were not interested because it's not a paid position. So, that continues to find someone specifically who is willing to spend the time uh on on a commission. But, it has been sent out as a matter of fact. I think you're talking about ID cards uh for uh for you. Uh-huh. If someone is reaching out to us, I don't see any reason why we can't have that. But, if you want to know about marketing uh uh banners or marketing materials, will it fit in your $3,000 budget? Uh then uh that the document and the materials printing practices, and what do you want? What What What What do you have to do? Uh present it to us. If you have those quarterly reports and you have requests, that can be done. And I don't see any reason why we can't arrange for annual training in the areas that you want. We basically have not heard from you. And this really the first time we have gotten some sort of a list from you as to what you want. You have in this council a tremendous group of people who are very much like-minded","topics_json":"[\"budget\"]","vector_id":"vec_seg_101494_30","created_at":"2026-10-31T08:05:48Z","speaker_name":"Fred A. 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I don't know how the Council feels about it, but I'm certainly willing to to consider it. I leave it now to the members of Council to speak up. I've said my piece.","topics_json":"[\"budget\"]","vector_id":"vec_seg_101494_31","created_at":"2026-10-31T08:05:48Z","speaker_name":"Fred A. Neil"},{"id":"seg_101494_32","meeting_id":"101494","media_asset_id":"med_101494_f68c3bca1174f74d","agenda_item_id":null,"speaker_id":"off_fred_a_neil","speaker_confidence":1,"start_sec":1050.16,"end_sec":1060.66,"text":"Yes. Uh Council- uh Councilman, uh is that Councilman uh Anderson? I see the top of your head, you have to lean forward, David.","topics_json":"[]","vector_id":"vec_seg_101494_32","created_at":"2026-10-31T08:05:48Z","speaker_name":"Fred A. 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Someone who has a concern will be able to shoot an email to the Human Rel- to Dover Human Relations Commission um and and open up uh a simple 24/7 access to uh giving concerns. So I I I'd like to see an org box uh for the commission. I don't know what you all think about that, but if that's something you're interested in, I'd be glad to help you out with achieving that.","topics_json":"[]","vector_id":"vec_seg_101494_33","created_at":"2026-10-31T08:05:48Z","speaker_name":"David L. Anderson"},{"id":"seg_101494_34","meeting_id":"101494","media_asset_id":"med_101494_f68c3bca1174f74d","agenda_item_id":null,"speaker_id":"off_fred_a_neil","speaker_confidence":1,"start_sec":1167.66,"end_sec":1169.66,"text":"Thank you, Councilman Anderson.","topics_json":"[]","vector_id":"vec_seg_101494_34","created_at":"2026-10-31T08:05:48Z","speaker_name":"Fred A. 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Understanding what the- what the mayor brought forth, uh having a liaison, at this time, I think would be needed, just to tighten the relationships between the committee, the commission, and the City Council. Later on, we decide that we don't need a liaison, I think that would be revisited as well, because like you, being an indepen- being an independent body, um and we wouldn't need a liaison, widely speaking. However, um there are some things that that need to be tightened up as far as the relationship-wise, when it comes to uh Council and the Commission. Um if we are going to have a liaison, can we also have an alternate, so when the liaison cannot make it, the alternate would be the person responsible to step in? That was a question for the first uh outlined area. Um and then we just wanted to establish the proper protocol uh how we would receive notice that our liaison would not be able to attend. Um would it be through properly through the City Clerk's office then disseminated to the Commission, uh and the Commissioners um of the Human Relations Commission? Something to think about there. Um you don't have to answer that now, but however uh you all, Ci- however the City Council decides to handle that, uh would be greatly appreciated just for widening that would be neat. The second thing was um the 3rd District vacancy. I know we touched a little bit on it, uh Council President Neil. Um and we just wanted to uh bring forth how important it is that we do have all of our seats filled. Um right now, uh we are almost full to capacity, but uh we the- still have the vacancy in the 3rd District, in which is Commissioner Mullins, and and we all have a large district, but uh for us to be vacant uh does a disservice to the constituents. It puts a strain on the one person uh at this particular time, Commissioner Mullins, puts a strain on the ability for her being able to hear everybody's concerns, because she being the only one at that time. Um we appreciate the outreach help that you uh mentioned that you have done in the soliciting for another commissioner uh to be uh part of that district. Um we'd like to uh I'd like to know um has there been any persons who have filled out applications, uh cuz we do have that on the city website where a person can fill out the application for uh such committee, and and then it will be taken and looked at from that point thereon, and and then appointments uh be handed down? That's one question, had- has there been anybody","topics_json":"[]","vector_id":"vec_seg_101494_36","created_at":"2026-10-31T08:05:48Z","speaker_name":null},{"id":"seg_101494_37","meeting_id":"101494","media_asset_id":"med_101494_f68c3bca1174f74d","agenda_item_id":null,"speaker_id":"off_fred_a_neil","speaker_confidence":0.95,"start_sec":1366.59,"end_sec":1367.39,"text":"No.","topics_json":"[]","vector_id":"vec_seg_101494_37","created_at":"2026-10-31T08:05:48Z","speaker_name":"Fred A. 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Uh she's she's uh outstanding in anything she's been outstanding for her her community, as president of the HOA, I don't think that she's a member uh president of the the civic association, but I'm sure she's the driver uh in that particular area. And so many of the problems that they have, I don't know whether it's within the neighborhoods or or with problems that they have of people who are living in the in the homes and causing problems uh in a number of different ways, because when they have meetings, code inspectors attend, elected officials attend uh on a regular basis uh to listen to what's happening and to see if we can resolve the issues of her neighborhood. If it's between neighbors, then the answer is I have no idea. I yield.","topics_json":"[\"housing\"]","vector_id":"vec_seg_101494_40","created_at":"2026-10-31T08:05:48Z","speaker_name":"Fred A. 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Um, because I didn't want to turn away and just think that, you know, what they had brought to my attention was not being attended to, it was not being validated. Um, and now I have seen for myself that since the uh hotel the motel was destroyed, it has increased. So I do have a scheduled meeting on Thursday, which I know that's gonna be a big issue and concern.","topics_json":"[\"homelessness\",\"business\",\"public_safety\"]","vector_id":"vec_seg_101494_46","created_at":"2026-10-31T08:05:48Z","speaker_name":"Commissioner Williams"},{"id":"seg_101494_47","meeting_id":"101494","media_asset_id":"med_101494_f68c3bca1174f74d","agenda_item_id":null,"speaker_id":"spk_101494_chair","speaker_confidence":0.95,"start_sec":1542.92,"end_sec":1545.42,"text":"Thank you Commissioner Williams.","topics_json":"[]","vector_id":"vec_seg_101494_47","created_at":"2026-10-31T08:05:48Z","speaker_name":null},{"id":"seg_101494_48","meeting_id":"101494","media_asset_id":"med_101494_f68c3bca1174f74d","agenda_item_id":null,"speaker_id":"spk_101494_chair","speaker_confidence":0.95,"start_sec":1545.42,"end_sec":1573.02,"text":"Um, so we can uh move on to the third uh outlined area, just to reiterate that the uh internships with the Dover Human Relations Commission uh was a recommendation by Councilman Neil. And we did uh did uh we did take you up on that offer uh because we have a couple of students who attended our last meeting um who are...","topics_json":"[]","vector_id":"vec_seg_101494_48","created_at":"2026-10-31T08:05:48Z","speaker_name":null},{"id":"seg_101494_49","meeting_id":"101494","media_asset_id":"med_101494_f68c3bca1174f74d","agenda_item_id":null,"speaker_id":"spk_101494_unknown_speaker","speaker_confidence":0,"start_sec":1573.05,"end_sec":1701.14,"text":"interested in in being uh a an intern and working with the Dover Human Relations Commission uh as far as uh being able to take our minutes and and being able to have some insight, like you were saying, um on on our municipal uh body. Um, listed here, we have the the names of uh the two students. Uh first one was Nia Wiggins. She's a sophomore and mass communications major. And she lives on campus. She's a resident of on the campus. And the second one, Kayla Ann Lucas. Uh she's a senior and mass communications uh major. And she's a Dover resident. She lives in the community uh, and I believe she lives uh, she said she lives in in District 1, uh, right off of Independence Road. So, they have agreed to to come out and and and work with us um, and um, they're not talking about payment. They are talking about their benefit would be um, they would receive the internship credits. Um, that's it. Now when you mentioned uh them receiving a stipend, um it would not be a large stipend. Um, I would agree that they would deserve something. Um, and and I talked with uh Ms. Bennett today, and she mentioned even if it was just $50.","topics_json":"[]","vector_id":"vec_seg_101494_49","created_at":"2026-10-31T08:05:48Z","speaker_name":null},{"id":"seg_101494_5","meeting_id":"101494","media_asset_id":"med_101494_f68c3bca1174f74d","agenda_item_id":null,"speaker_id":"off_fred_a_neil","speaker_confidence":0.95,"start_sec":17,"end_sec":150,"text":"Any opposed? The motion has carried. At this particular time, uh we have received uh a document uh from the chairman uh in terms of their concerns for this. Uh and I'm not certain how you wish to proceed, whether you want to talk about specifically about those uh in terms of uh what we see in terms of uh what the uh ordinance calls for, which includes meetings only at City Hall, and a recommendation for five meetings a minimum. Um and uh the other concern is that of activities that um that cannot go uh if if it is not functions are limited that the commission shall not involve itself in activities or functions already assigned by law or decree to other government bodies. Uh however, uh beyond that, there's also it calls for reports to the commission shall reports to the city council on a quarterly basis regarding all of its affairs, and an annual report of its accomplishments and summary of its recommendations shall be provided to the mayor and council. Now, at that particular point, a number of items have been brought up, and I open that up for discussion at this particular time. And the chair uh of uh the Dover Commission, feel free to review your your the document that you provided us.","topics_json":"[]","vector_id":"vec_seg_101494_5","created_at":"2026-10-31T08:05:48Z","speaker_name":"Fred A. 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Um, do the the calculations to see if it would be, you know, a good, feasible shock um, for them to have whatever increment we can come up with.","topics_json":"[]","vector_id":"vec_seg_101494_51","created_at":"2026-10-31T08:05:48Z","speaker_name":null},{"id":"seg_101494_52","meeting_id":"101494","media_asset_id":"med_101494_f68c3bca1174f74d","agenda_item_id":null,"speaker_id":"spk_101494_unknown_speaker_2","speaker_confidence":0,"start_sec":1723.36,"end_sec":1724.83,"text":"Yeah. Commissioner.","topics_json":"[]","vector_id":"vec_seg_101494_52","created_at":"2026-10-31T08:05:48Z","speaker_name":null},{"id":"seg_101494_53","meeting_id":"101494","media_asset_id":"med_101494_f68c3bca1174f74d","agenda_item_id":null,"speaker_id":"spk_101494_unknown_speaker","speaker_confidence":0,"start_sec":1724.83,"end_sec":1769.68,"text":"Of course it would come out of our budget, um, which is expected. And I don't think we would have any problems with with that at all. So, that that would definitely we do plan to speak on that and have more discussion. Um, hopefully you all can be uh, be uh, thinking about it as well, uh, to see what might be best as far as increment wise. Um, everybody knows that we have a $3,000 budget, and and we'll see how far that goes. Okay. Um, our fourth topic uh, item that I had there was uh, speaking on the Dover Human Relations Commission having identification cards, uh, banners, and marketing materials. The identification card, uh, I think would be very permanent, especially as as we start to really get into the having of listening to concerns, and and then going out into the field, making investigations. Um, just showing up with a shirt that I have on that's saying Dr. Sudler doesn't really speak too much. Um, anybody can make this type of shirt. If you get the logo online, you take it right to a printer or another company and make, buy your own shirt, and be someone, impersonate uh, what we do. Uh, but I believe uh, we should have uh, identification cards um,","topics_json":"[\"budget\"]","vector_id":"vec_seg_101494_53","created_at":"2026-10-31T08:05:48Z","speaker_name":null},{"id":"seg_101494_54","meeting_id":"101494","media_asset_id":"med_101494_f68c3bca1174f74d","agenda_item_id":null,"speaker_id":"spk_101494_chunk10_speaker","speaker_confidence":0.9,"start_sec":1769.68,"end_sec":1779.58,"text":"that help represent the the commission as well as um it indicating that we are part of the City of Dover municipality.","topics_json":"[]","vector_id":"vec_seg_101494_54","created_at":"2026-10-31T08:05:48Z","speaker_name":null},{"id":"seg_101494_55","meeting_id":"101494","media_asset_id":"med_101494_f68c3bca1174f74d","agenda_item_id":null,"speaker_id":"spk_101494_chunk10_speaker","speaker_confidence":0.9,"start_sec":1780.18,"end_sec":1799.88,"text":"Um as far as the banners and marketing materials, as we attend um uh community events, uh we have had uh the uh invitations to be a part of um uh things that take place in the city,","topics_json":"[]","vector_id":"vec_seg_101494_55","created_at":"2026-10-31T08:05:48Z","speaker_name":null},{"id":"seg_101494_56","meeting_id":"101494","media_asset_id":"med_101494_f68c3bca1174f74d","agenda_item_id":null,"speaker_id":"spk_101494_chunk10_speaker","speaker_confidence":0.9,"start_sec":1800.38,"end_sec":1814.58,"text":"uh whether it be a parade, uh whether it be uh a community uh fair day, um somebody wants us to vend at at something that they're hosting for the community.","topics_json":"[]","vector_id":"vec_seg_101494_56","created_at":"2026-10-31T08:05:48Z","speaker_name":null},{"id":"seg_101494_57","meeting_id":"101494","media_asset_id":"med_101494_f68c3bca1174f74d","agenda_item_id":null,"speaker_id":"spk_101494_chunk10_speaker","speaker_confidence":0.9,"start_sec":1815.08,"end_sec":1830.48,"text":"Um I think it would be prudent for us to to have a banner, uh maybe even a tablecloth where we set up and and it has a particular uh logo and with our name, Dover Human Relations Commission, attached to it.","topics_json":"[]","vector_id":"vec_seg_101494_57","created_at":"2026-10-31T08:05:48Z","speaker_name":null},{"id":"seg_101494_58","meeting_id":"101494","media_asset_id":"med_101494_f68c3bca1174f74d","agenda_item_id":null,"speaker_id":"spk_101494_chunk10_speaker","speaker_confidence":0.9,"start_sec":1830.98,"end_sec":1844.48,"text":"Just some things to think about, but it will help us tremendously, especially with the identification of who we are and uh, you know, us being available for our constituents at that particular time.","topics_json":"[]","vector_id":"vec_seg_101494_58","created_at":"2026-10-31T08:05:48Z","speaker_name":null},{"id":"seg_101494_59","meeting_id":"101494","media_asset_id":"med_101494_f68c3bca1174f74d","agenda_item_id":null,"speaker_id":"spk_101494_chunk10_speaker","speaker_confidence":0.9,"start_sec":1844.98,"end_sec":1857.38,"text":"Uh we have literature, a little bit, um which, you know, we had drawn up and paid for out of our own pockets, not paid for um by the commission budget,","topics_json":"[\"budget\"]","vector_id":"vec_seg_101494_59","created_at":"2026-10-31T08:05:48Z","speaker_name":null},{"id":"seg_101494_6","meeting_id":"101494","media_asset_id":"med_101494_f68c3bca1174f74d","agenda_item_id":null,"speaker_id":"spk_101494_human_relations_commission_chair","speaker_confidence":0.9,"start_sec":150.1,"end_sec":196.6,"text":"Thank you, Council President Neil. Um, before that, I passed out um an agenda with the um seven uh areas of discussion uh for us today. I know we have a short limited time, so uh hopefully uh what I present today helps with the guiding focus, and and we don't prolong some things that uh can can uh postpone things for later time, we'll still have a significant discussion about what the concerns are. Um, the first one before you today is concern of our uh liaison, city council liaison, and we want to uh establish a a more uh concrete um communication avenue. Um, so what we're hoping what we have here under the city council liaison, the Dover Human Relations Commission requests for the appointment of an alternate liaison uh if the appointed liaison is unable to attend the scheduled uh Dover Human Relations Commission meeting. And also, for the alternate liaison to attend the the DHRC meeting in lieu of the appointed liaison's absence. Uh, and then secondly, um what is the proper protocol for communicating the unforeseen absence of a liaison from the DH- DHRC meeting, and how notification of such absence should be","topics_json":"[]","vector_id":"vec_seg_101494_6","created_at":"2026-10-31T08:05:48Z","speaker_name":null},{"id":"seg_101494_60","meeting_id":"101494","media_asset_id":"med_101494_f68c3bca1174f74d","agenda_item_id":null,"speaker_id":"spk_101494_chunk10_speaker","speaker_confidence":0.9,"start_sec":1858.58,"end_sec":1866.28,"text":"and that speaks to the next point, uh number five, of documents and and material printing practices.","topics_json":"[]","vector_id":"vec_seg_101494_60","created_at":"2026-10-31T08:05:48Z","speaker_name":null},{"id":"seg_101494_61","meeting_id":"101494","media_asset_id":"med_101494_f68c3bca1174f74d","agenda_item_id":null,"speaker_id":"spk_101494_chunk10_speaker","speaker_confidence":0.9,"start_sec":1866.48,"end_sec":1884.68,"text":"So as we create documentation or or we write up things, just like I created I created the agenda for this evening and and printed it out, of course, you know, everything costs money,","topics_json":"[\"budget\"]","vector_id":"vec_seg_101494_61","created_at":"2026-10-31T08:05:48Z","speaker_name":null},{"id":"seg_101494_62","meeting_id":"101494","media_asset_id":"med_101494_f68c3bca1174f74d","agenda_item_id":null,"speaker_id":"spk_101494_chunk10_speaker","speaker_confidence":0.9,"start_sec":1884.88,"end_sec":1907.28,"text":"and we will try to save as much as possible, but what are the actual norms and practices when we compose documents um on on behalf of the Dover Human Relations Commission coming out of the City of Dover? Is there a particular printing center that the city uh utilizes and we can use, or do we go to third-party uh printing companies to make sure we have documentation uh available to be able to print on?","topics_json":"[\"budget\"]","vector_id":"vec_seg_101494_62","created_at":"2026-10-31T08:05:48Z","speaker_name":null},{"id":"seg_101494_63","meeting_id":"101494","media_asset_id":"med_101494_f68c3bca1174f74d","agenda_item_id":null,"speaker_id":"spk_101494_chunk10_speaker","speaker_confidence":0.9,"start_sec":1913.78,"end_sec":1936.98,"text":"So, just some things to think about, some of our concerns, and I I knew you quickly addressed some things, Councilman Neil, and we appreciate that. Um but uh we definitely want to have a a deeper discussion to see how we can actually uh make these things happen and what is the proper protocol for us to take in order for these documents to be created.","topics_json":"[]","vector_id":"vec_seg_101494_63","created_at":"2026-10-31T08:05:48Z","speaker_name":null},{"id":"seg_101494_64","meeting_id":"101494","media_asset_id":"med_101494_f68c3bca1174f74d","agenda_item_id":null,"speaker_id":"spk_101494_chunk10_speaker","speaker_confidence":0.9,"start_sec":1937.58,"end_sec":1945.38,"text":"Um going into the community relations events, which is the number six uh item on the agenda,","topics_json":"[]","vector_id":"vec_seg_101494_64","created_at":"2026-10-31T08:05:48Z","speaker_name":null},{"id":"seg_101494_65","meeting_id":"101494","media_asset_id":"med_101494_f68c3bca1174f74d","agenda_item_id":null,"speaker_id":"spk_101494_chunk10_speaker","speaker_confidence":0.9,"start_sec":1945.78,"end_sec":1966.28,"text":"when we talk about community relations events, we want to be able to um host some things as far as being able to reach out uh to constituents, um being available and and not just attend some what somebody else is hosting, but maybe to even host some things ourselves, bring to the bring to the community uh","topics_json":"[]","vector_id":"vec_seg_101494_65","created_at":"2026-10-31T08:05:48Z","speaker_name":null},{"id":"seg_101494_66","meeting_id":"101494","media_asset_id":"med_101494_f68c3bca1174f74d","agenda_item_id":null,"speaker_id":"spk_101494_male_speaker","speaker_confidence":0.9,"start_sec":1966.31,"end_sec":2047.61,"text":"something, something that we can advocate for during particular times. And we want to be all-inclusive. Um, and the community relations event would uh, would en- would entail events and activities in all districts during the same day or a weekend time, um, where we can all be involved in the things that uh benefit our community and being able to listen to our constituents and everybody being able to have positive interactions together instead of just being uh, you know, meeting during times of tragedy and walks on the on the Green and when when things happen. We want to be able to be proactive, more or less, than reactive. So, um, we want to be able to host something and and if we host some events, what do we have on our fingertips? Are we able to use um city buildings and city venues? And And at what cost would that be to the city for us to do that? I know we can't uh get actual numbers this evening, but those are the particulars um that we also want you all to think about and dwell on so that we can um start to really reach out to our community and make some things happen on a positive note, with positive interactions.","topics_json":"[\"budget\"]","vector_id":"vec_seg_101494_66","created_at":"2026-10-31T08:05:48Z","speaker_name":null},{"id":"seg_101494_67","meeting_id":"101494","media_asset_id":"med_101494_f68c3bca1174f74d","agenda_item_id":null,"speaker_id":"spk_101494_male_speaker","speaker_confidence":0.9,"start_sec":2048.01,"end_sec":2162.91,"text":"And And lastly, um, the annual training that we that I've listed here for uh number seven, um, of course, I I listed some things on the back: uh, ethics training, how we are to conduct ourselves as commissioners, the dos and the don'ts, um, some kind of the pros and the cons. Uh, but we definitely want to think about the ethical portion of our operation and and how we interact uh with the constituents and each other and between uh the commission as well as the City Council. Uh, we invite um continuous training on the Robert's Rules of Orders, which is very important on how we make decisions, how we approve things, how we pass um, you know, how we pass particular communications along, and and how we close out the business and we conduct business of our meetings. So, um, I always believe that that is a continuous training, uh, and and we need to be uh, a part of those particular types of trainings. Um, the We also need to uh have training, not just for those who have been here, but as we take on new members, the structure uh of of the city itself, uh, now all the way from City Council to the Mayor, um, even down to our um police officers and police department. 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So we want to have training on uh the policy and and the when it comes in the practice when it comes to our uh online streaming and our online presence during public times when it's mandatory. Um, social media policy and procedures. Of course, um, we all know that social media is is a is is a thing. Um, and what we say on social media, it matters. Um, what we put out to the public on social media, it really matters. It can hurt, it can hinder, or it can help. So we need to have some training on the do's and the don'ts, especially when it comes to uh municipal uh practices. Uh, and and the policy guidance, uh, when we talk about policy guidance, we're talking about um the particular codes that people may have concerns and complaints about. Uh, do we have an an actual uh manual a code manual that we could look at or refer to? Um, I know the city does have manuals regarding codes and things, but what is good for the Dover Human Relations uh to have? Can you um devise a manual where um we know about the particulars. If if we're not supposed to um hear in in particular uh concerns that we can't um work with, then what are the codes and and and and particulars that we are able to refer to so when it comes to um concerns and topics that our constituents want to bring uh to the Dover Human Relations Commission? Um, that's my comments, that's for now.","topics_json":"[]","vector_id":"vec_seg_101494_68","created_at":"2026-10-31T08:05:48Z","speaker_name":"Andre M. Boggerty"},{"id":"seg_101494_69","meeting_id":"101494","media_asset_id":"med_101494_f68c3bca1174f74d","agenda_item_id":null,"speaker_id":"off_fred_a_neil","speaker_confidence":0.95,"start_sec":2301.88,"end_sec":2306.23,"text":"Okay. Any comments, any questions? Yes, uh Councilman Sudler.","topics_json":"[]","vector_id":"vec_seg_101494_69","created_at":"2026-10-31T08:05:48Z","speaker_name":"Fred A. 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Um, it's not more so a a comment, I do have a motion which I would like to move that the City Council direct the Clerk's Office to aid the Dover Human Relations Commission with coordinating and facilitating the areas requested for training within a period of 60 days from today. I believe training is imperative.","topics_json":"[]","vector_id":"vec_seg_101494_70","created_at":"2026-10-31T08:05:48Z","speaker_name":"Roy Sudler, Jr."},{"id":"seg_101494_71","meeting_id":"101494","media_asset_id":"med_101494_f68c3bca1174f74d","agenda_item_id":null,"speaker_id":"off_fred_a_neil","speaker_confidence":0.95,"start_sec":2353.56,"end_sec":2354.67,"text":"Is there a second to that?","topics_json":"[]","vector_id":"vec_seg_101494_71","created_at":"2026-10-31T08:05:48Z","speaker_name":"Fred A. 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Uh, Dr. Sudler, could you be a little more s-","topics_json":"[]","vector_id":"vec_seg_101494_75","created_at":"2026-10-31T08:05:48Z","speaker_name":"David L. Anderson"},{"id":"seg_101494_76","meeting_id":"101494","media_asset_id":"med_101494_f68c3bca1174f74d","agenda_item_id":null,"speaker_id":"off_david_l_anderson","speaker_confidence":0.95,"start_sec":2359.58,"end_sec":2368.28,"text":"specific, like do we know who's conducting the training? Are we, you know, what if it costs money, you know what I mean? That's, you know-","topics_json":"[]","vector_id":"vec_seg_101494_76","created_at":"2026-10-31T08:05:48Z","speaker_name":"David L. 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But I do believe that the training itself is imperative in order for our commissioners to reach their full potential in serving this great city of Dover.","topics_json":"[]","vector_id":"vec_seg_101494_77","created_at":"2026-10-31T08:05:48Z","speaker_name":"Roy Sudler, Jr."},{"id":"seg_101494_78","meeting_id":"101494","media_asset_id":"med_101494_f68c3bca1174f74d","agenda_item_id":null,"speaker_id":"off_david_l_anderson","speaker_confidence":0.95,"start_sec":2403.38,"end_sec":2405.58,"text":"Understood, thank you. I yield.","topics_json":"[]","vector_id":"vec_seg_101494_78","created_at":"2026-10-31T08:05:48Z","speaker_name":"David L. 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And there were many questions that went unanswered. So we established a quasi body to look into that incident, which morphed into the Dover Human Relations Commission. Over the period of time, the Human Relations Commission has functioned as an independent body with no interference from council, no liaison. Planning commission has functioned as a body with no liaison, and the other bodies and boards of this city have functioned without a liaison. You are an independent body set up to bring us concerns of our citizens or the Human Relations Commission to address, and then, if the tenacity warrants so, to bring before council.","topics_json":"[\"public_safety\"]","vector_id":"vec_seg_101494_9","created_at":"2026-10-31T08:05:48Z","speaker_name":"Robin R. 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I understand it has a lot more teeth.","topics_json":"[]","vector_id":"vec_seg_101494_93","created_at":"2026-10-31T08:05:48Z","speaker_name":"Brian E. 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Well, that's all the questions I had pertaining to this particular motion on the floor.","topics_json":"[]","vector_id":"vec_seg_101494_97","created_at":"2026-10-31T08:05:48Z","speaker_name":"Brian E. Lewis"},{"id":"seg_101494_98","meeting_id":"101494","media_asset_id":"med_101494_f68c3bca1174f74d","agenda_item_id":null,"speaker_id":"off_fred_a_neil","speaker_confidence":0.95,"start_sec":2650.86,"end_sec":2651.98,"text":"Councilman Sudler.","topics_json":"[]","vector_id":"vec_seg_101494_98","created_at":"2026-10-31T08:05:48Z","speaker_name":"Fred A. Neil"},{"id":"seg_101494_99","meeting_id":"101494","media_asset_id":"med_101494_f68c3bca1174f74d","agenda_item_id":null,"speaker_id":"off_roy_sudler_jr","speaker_confidence":0.95,"start_sec":2652.16,"end_sec":2705.39,"text":"Thank you for recognizing me. Initially, the Dover Human Relations Commission had subpoena power and we also had a hearing as well. 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So, um and the uh and the extra trip that people would have to take in order to um to um avail themselves of the services of whoever is in the front of the building, um I just hope people have a piece of good cheer about that as uh it's it This this would be a problem for me. So, thank you very much for your your honorable responses.","topics_json":"[\"housing\"]","vector_id":"vec_seg_101555_102","created_at":"2026-10-31T08:14:49Z","speaker_name":null},{"id":"seg_101555_103","meeting_id":"101555","media_asset_id":"med_101555_ac2ca6ea8216c427","agenda_item_id":null,"speaker_id":"spk_101555_male_speaker","speaker_confidence":0.8,"start_sec":1704.78,"end_sec":1705.2,"text":"Thank you.","topics_json":"[]","vector_id":"vec_seg_101555_103","created_at":"2026-10-31T08:14:49Z","speaker_name":null},{"id":"seg_101555_104","meeting_id":"101555","media_asset_id":"med_101555_ac2ca6ea8216c427","agenda_item_id":null,"speaker_id":"spk_101555_male_speaker","speaker_confidence":0.7,"start_sec":1705.8,"end_sec":1706.4,"text":"All right, thank you very much.","topics_json":"[]","vector_id":"vec_seg_101555_104","created_at":"2026-10-31T08:14:49Z","speaker_name":null},{"id":"seg_101555_105","meeting_id":"101555","media_asset_id":"med_101555_ac2ca6ea8216c427","agenda_item_id":null,"speaker_id":"spk_101555_male_speaker","speaker_confidence":0.8,"start_sec":1706.4,"end_sec":1706.82,"text":"Thank you.","topics_json":"[]","vector_id":"vec_seg_101555_105","created_at":"2026-10-31T08:14:49Z","speaker_name":null},{"id":"seg_101555_106","meeting_id":"101555","media_asset_id":"med_101555_ac2ca6ea8216c427","agenda_item_id":null,"speaker_id":"spk_101555_male_speaker","speaker_confidence":0.7,"start_sec":1707,"end_sec":1708.75,"text":"All right, now public comment, is that before or after our discussion?","topics_json":"[]","vector_id":"vec_seg_101555_106","created_at":"2026-10-31T08:14:49Z","speaker_name":null},{"id":"seg_101555_107","meeting_id":"101555","media_asset_id":"med_101555_ac2ca6ea8216c427","agenda_item_id":null,"speaker_id":"spk_101555_dawn_melson_williams","speaker_confidence":0.9,"start_sec":1709.23,"end_sec":1720.71,"text":"Um so Mr. Chair, if you have um some questions for the applicant, you I think you've kind of maybe exhausted those for the moment. Uh this is subject to public hearing, so you can um deal with the public hearing and then return to your deliberation or more questions of the applicant.","topics_json":"[]","vector_id":"vec_seg_101555_107","created_at":"2026-10-31T08:14:49Z","speaker_name":"Dawn Melson-Williams"},{"id":"seg_101555_108","meeting_id":"101555","media_asset_id":"med_101555_ac2ca6ea8216c427","agenda_item_id":null,"speaker_id":"spk_101555_male_speaker","speaker_confidence":0.7,"start_sec":1721.31,"end_sec":1748.48,"text":"All right. Um Does anybody have any further questions? Um I think we're pretty straightforward on this one, right?","topics_json":"[]","vector_id":"vec_seg_101555_108","created_at":"2026-10-31T08:14:49Z","speaker_name":null},{"id":"seg_101555_109","meeting_id":"101555","media_asset_id":"med_101555_ac2ca6ea8216c427","agenda_item_id":null,"speaker_id":"spk_101555_female_speaker","speaker_confidence":0.8,"start_sec":1749.56,"end_sec":1757.49,"text":"I have a couple. Um And um how is the cornerstone going to be left in place or taken inside for viewing?","topics_json":"[\"zoning\"]","vector_id":"vec_seg_101555_109","created_at":"2026-10-31T08:14:49Z","speaker_name":null},{"id":"seg_101555_11","meeting_id":"101555","media_asset_id":"med_101555_ac2ca6ea8216c427","agenda_item_id":null,"speaker_id":"spk_101555_dawn_melson_williams","speaker_confidence":0.95,"start_sec":404.09,"end_sec":453.84,"text":"um, which is a wall surface, uh, system rather than the use of, um, what we would call formal brick, or brick-brick, as I refer to it. Um, and some of that is related to, the request to utilize that is related to, um, construction techniques and ways to lighten the load of the building on the ground it sits on. Um, that same kind of brick and brick, uh, wall system would be utilized on the rear addition. Uh, the other elements of the site, uh, the parking lot that's proposed that wraps the west and north sides of the building, um, does continue in the same format. Uh, the building rear wing is flanked by garden areas that have walkways and a lot of the landscape plantings.","topics_json":"[\"zoning\"]","vector_id":"vec_seg_101555_11","created_at":"2026-10-31T08:14:48Z","speaker_name":"Dawn Melson-Williams"},{"id":"seg_101555_110","meeting_id":"101555","media_asset_id":"med_101555_ac2ca6ea8216c427","agenda_item_id":null,"speaker_id":"spk_101555_male_speaker","speaker_confidence":0.7,"start_sec":1757.25,"end_sec":1757.79,"text":"Yeah, come back down.","topics_json":"[]","vector_id":"vec_seg_101555_110","created_at":"2026-10-31T08:14:49Z","speaker_name":null},{"id":"seg_101555_111","meeting_id":"101555","media_asset_id":"med_101555_ac2ca6ea8216c427","agenda_item_id":null,"speaker_id":"spk_101555_female_speaker","speaker_confidence":0.8,"start_sec":1758.03,"end_sec":1759.41,"text":"Yeah, sorry. I should have asked that earlier.","topics_json":"[]","vector_id":"vec_seg_101555_111","created_at":"2026-10-31T08:14:49Z","speaker_name":null},{"id":"seg_101555_112","meeting_id":"101555","media_asset_id":"med_101555_ac2ca6ea8216c427","agenda_item_id":null,"speaker_id":"spk_101555_male_speaker","speaker_confidence":0.7,"start_sec":1758.27,"end_sec":1758.87,"text":"Sorry about that.","topics_json":"[]","vector_id":"vec_seg_101555_112","created_at":"2026-10-31T08:14:49Z","speaker_name":null},{"id":"seg_101555_113","meeting_id":"101555","media_asset_id":"med_101555_ac2ca6ea8216c427","agenda_item_id":null,"speaker_id":"spk_101555_male_speaker","speaker_confidence":0.8,"start_sec":1759.84,"end_sec":1760.62,"text":"We're going to leave it in place.","topics_json":"[\"zoning\"]","vector_id":"vec_seg_101555_113","created_at":"2026-10-31T08:14:49Z","speaker_name":null},{"id":"seg_101555_114","meeting_id":"101555","media_asset_id":"med_101555_ac2ca6ea8216c427","agenda_item_id":null,"speaker_id":"spk_101555_female_speaker","speaker_confidence":0.8,"start_sec":1760.8,"end_sec":1775.76,"text":"Oh, that's that's really good. Thank you. And then the other one was on the landscape plan. There were some boxwoods, that I think were called for, and they'll they'll probably not last because of the box moth. And I didn't know whether you had an alternative for those.","topics_json":"[\"zoning\"]","vector_id":"vec_seg_101555_114","created_at":"2026-10-31T08:14:49Z","speaker_name":null},{"id":"seg_101555_115","meeting_id":"101555","media_asset_id":"med_101555_ac2ca6ea8216c427","agenda_item_id":null,"speaker_id":"spk_101555_female_speaker","speaker_confidence":0.8,"start_sec":1778.83,"end_sec":1779.79,"text":"It's the last page.","topics_json":"[]","vector_id":"vec_seg_101555_115","created_at":"2026-10-31T08:14:49Z","speaker_name":null},{"id":"seg_101555_116","meeting_id":"101555","media_asset_id":"med_101555_ac2ca6ea8216c427","agenda_item_id":null,"speaker_id":"spk_101555_chad_warren","speaker_confidence":0.9,"start_sec":1806.12,"end_sec":1807.98,"text":"How you doing, I'm Chad Warren with Davis Building for Dale.","topics_json":"[\"zoning\"]","vector_id":"vec_seg_101555_116","created_at":"2026-10-31T08:14:49Z","speaker_name":"Chad Warren"},{"id":"seg_101555_117","meeting_id":"101555","media_asset_id":"med_101555_ac2ca6ea8216c427","agenda_item_id":null,"speaker_id":"spk_101555_ann_horsey","speaker_confidence":0.9,"start_sec":1810.98,"end_sec":1813.48,"text":"It's the last page, yeah. We have...","topics_json":"[\"zoning\"]","vector_id":"vec_seg_101555_117","created_at":"2026-10-31T08:14:49Z","speaker_name":"Ann Horsey"},{"id":"seg_101555_118","meeting_id":"101555","media_asset_id":"med_101555_ac2ca6ea8216c427","agenda_item_id":null,"speaker_id":"spk_101555_project_representative","speaker_confidence":0.85,"start_sec":1813.98,"end_sec":1824.48,"text":"We do still currently show the NewGen Freedom boxwood on our landscape plan, um, just in that small portion between the two entrances to the rear parking lot.","topics_json":"[\"zoning\"]","vector_id":"vec_seg_101555_118","created_at":"2026-10-31T08:14:49Z","speaker_name":null},{"id":"seg_101555_119","meeting_id":"101555","media_asset_id":"med_101555_ac2ca6ea8216c427","agenda_item_id":null,"speaker_id":"spk_101555_ann_horsey","speaker_confidence":0.95,"start_sec":1825.98,"end_sec":1834.48,"text":"Okay, guaranteed the moth will get them. So you might want to think of another alternative, a holly of some type.","topics_json":"[\"zoning\"]","vector_id":"vec_seg_101555_119","created_at":"2026-10-31T08:14:49Z","speaker_name":"Ann Horsey"},{"id":"seg_101555_12","meeting_id":"101555","media_asset_id":"med_101555_ac2ca6ea8216c427","agenda_item_id":null,"speaker_id":"spk_101555_dawn_melson_williams","speaker_confidence":0.95,"start_sec":453.97,"end_sec":508.88,"text":"Um, there are sidewalk systems on the building, um, and its surroundings as well. Uh, when what you are charged with is making a recommendation on the architectural review certificate for this, um, location, that charges you to look at the design standards and guidelines. Um, there are specific guidelines for consideration of demolition as well as elements to consider when new construction is being proposed. Um, our report actually goes on to detail some of your previous reviews on this application, but on page 11 is the staff comments and recommendations. Um, staff is recommending conditional approval of the revision, uh, to this architectural review certificate,","topics_json":"[\"zoning\"]","vector_id":"vec_seg_101555_12","created_at":"2026-10-31T08:14:48Z","speaker_name":"Dawn Melson-Williams"},{"id":"seg_101555_120","meeting_id":"101555","media_asset_id":"med_101555_ac2ca6ea8216c427","agenda_item_id":null,"speaker_id":"spk_101555_project_representative","speaker_confidence":0.85,"start_sec":1834.98,"end_sec":1836.18,"text":"Okay. Thank you.","topics_json":"[\"zoning\"]","vector_id":"vec_seg_101555_120","created_at":"2026-10-31T08:14:49Z","speaker_name":null},{"id":"seg_101555_121","meeting_id":"101555","media_asset_id":"med_101555_ac2ca6ea8216c427","agenda_item_id":null,"speaker_id":"spk_101555_ann_horsey","speaker_confidence":0.9,"start_sec":1836.28,"end_sec":1836.98,"text":"Yeah.","topics_json":"[\"zoning\"]","vector_id":"vec_seg_101555_121","created_at":"2026-10-31T08:14:49Z","speaker_name":"Ann Horsey"},{"id":"seg_101555_122","meeting_id":"101555","media_asset_id":"med_101555_ac2ca6ea8216c427","agenda_item_id":null,"speaker_id":"spk_101555_kathleen_baker","speaker_confidence":0.95,"start_sec":1837.08,"end_sec":1847.48,"text":"Yes, I thank my colleague because I'm dealing with this at home. And also, good luck with the nandina.","topics_json":"[\"zoning\"]","vector_id":"vec_seg_101555_122","created_at":"2026-10-31T08:14:49Z","speaker_name":"Kathleen Baker"},{"id":"seg_101555_123","meeting_id":"101555","media_asset_id":"med_101555_ac2ca6ea8216c427","agenda_item_id":null,"speaker_id":"spk_101555_eric_czerwinski","speaker_confidence":0.9,"start_sec":1849.98,"end_sec":1864.48,"text":"Okay, do we have any more questions for our members here? All right, thank you. Appreciate it. All right, is there anybody of the public here that wishes to speak? If so, come on down to the mic and state your name.","topics_json":"[\"zoning\"]","vector_id":"vec_seg_101555_123","created_at":"2026-10-31T08:14:49Z","speaker_name":"Eric Czerwinski"},{"id":"seg_101555_124","meeting_id":"101555","media_asset_id":"med_101555_ac2ca6ea8216c427","agenda_item_id":null,"speaker_id":"spk_101555_eric_czerwinski","speaker_confidence":0.9,"start_sec":1907.98,"end_sec":1910.98,"text":"I'm not seeing anybody here, if anybody online?","topics_json":"[\"zoning\"]","vector_id":"vec_seg_101555_124","created_at":"2026-10-31T08:14:49Z","speaker_name":"Eric Czerwinski"},{"id":"seg_101555_125","meeting_id":"101555","media_asset_id":"med_101555_ac2ca6ea8216c427","agenda_item_id":null,"speaker_id":"spk_101555_dawn_melson_williams","speaker_confidence":0.95,"start_sec":1912.48,"end_sec":1951.48,"text":"Don't believe so. Um, our one, this is Dawn with the planning, the one virtual attendee is just observing our meeting, um, this afternoon. And the other participants are related to the next application. So Mr. Chair, um, certainly that could conclude your public hearing on this particular application for the Post unless there is someone in the audience that wishes to speak.","topics_json":"[\"zoning\"]","vector_id":"vec_seg_101555_125","created_at":"2026-10-31T08:14:49Z","speaker_name":"Dawn Melson-Williams"},{"id":"seg_101555_126","meeting_id":"101555","media_asset_id":"med_101555_ac2ca6ea8216c427","agenda_item_id":null,"speaker_id":"spk_101555_eric_czerwinski","speaker_confidence":0.9,"start_sec":1954.48,"end_sec":1959.98,"text":"All right, thank you. All right, discussion. What do you guys think? Where are your thoughts?","topics_json":"[\"zoning\"]","vector_id":"vec_seg_101555_126","created_at":"2026-10-31T08:14:49Z","speaker_name":"Eric Czerwinski"},{"id":"seg_101555_127","meeting_id":"101555","media_asset_id":"med_101555_ac2ca6ea8216c427","agenda_item_id":null,"speaker_id":"spk_101555_ellen_richardson","speaker_confidence":0.95,"start_sec":1961.48,"end_sec":2022.48,"text":"I think it's I think it's fine. Um, one of the questions was about the brick dormers. In the staff recommendations, they say normally dormers aren't comprised of brick, but I don't think that makes a difference one way or the other. Um,","topics_json":"[\"zoning\"]","vector_id":"vec_seg_101555_127","created_at":"2026-10-31T08:14:49Z","speaker_name":"Ellen Richardson"},{"id":"seg_101555_128","meeting_id":"101555","media_asset_id":"med_101555_ac2ca6ea8216c427","agenda_item_id":null,"speaker_id":"spk_101555_ann_horsey","speaker_confidence":0.95,"start_sec":2022.98,"end_sec":2028.98,"text":"dormers are not normally brick-clad, so.","topics_json":"[\"zoning\"]","vector_id":"vec_seg_101555_128","created_at":"2026-10-31T08:14:49Z","speaker_name":"Ann Horsey"},{"id":"seg_101555_129","meeting_id":"101555","media_asset_id":"med_101555_ac2ca6ea8216c427","agenda_item_id":null,"speaker_id":"spk_101555_eric_czerwinski","speaker_confidence":0.9,"start_sec":2030.98,"end_sec":2041.48,"text":"I mean if you look at the the picture, it doesn't seem to affect it too adversely having a brick dormer. Otherwise it's just going to be white siding.","topics_json":"[\"zoning\"]","vector_id":"vec_seg_101555_129","created_at":"2026-10-31T08:14:49Z","speaker_name":"Eric Czerwinski"},{"id":"seg_101555_13","meeting_id":"101555","media_asset_id":"med_101555_ac2ca6ea8216c427","agenda_item_id":null,"speaker_id":"spk_101555_dawn_melson_williams","speaker_confidence":0.95,"start_sec":509.34,"end_sec":551.49,"text":"um, which would include the demolition of the building in its entirety, um, and its reconstruction to replicate the current front facade plus the second-story addition on the wings, um, are as well as use of the brick finish EIFS system, um, finding that that can readily replicate, at least visually, to, um, the use of brick, but, uh, the system is a lot lighter. Some of our conditions are noted, um, in our comments, uh, noting to be very clear about what that brick material, um, system is in color, in size, and format. I think we'll hear from the applicant today more details about that.","topics_json":"[\"zoning\"]","vector_id":"vec_seg_101555_13","created_at":"2026-10-31T08:14:48Z","speaker_name":"Dawn Melson-Williams"},{"id":"seg_101555_130","meeting_id":"101555","media_asset_id":"med_101555_ac2ca6ea8216c427","agenda_item_id":null,"speaker_id":"spk_101555_dawn_melson_williams","speaker_confidence":0.95,"start_sec":2042.48,"end_sec":2062.48,"text":"Yes, so staff would note that I think the rendering has one appearance, and then if you actually follow all the, um, elements of the line work drawing, it is shown as a different it is shown as a siding material not as a brick for those elements.","topics_json":"[\"zoning\"]","vector_id":"vec_seg_101555_130","created_at":"2026-10-31T08:14:49Z","speaker_name":"Dawn Melson-Williams"},{"id":"seg_101555_131","meeting_id":"101555","media_asset_id":"med_101555_ac2ca6ea8216c427","agenda_item_id":null,"speaker_id":"spk_101555_eric_czerwinski","speaker_confidence":0.9,"start_sec":2063.48,"end_sec":2065.48,"text":"Do you want to get that clarified?","topics_json":"[\"zoning\"]","vector_id":"vec_seg_101555_131","created_at":"2026-10-31T08:14:49Z","speaker_name":"Eric Czerwinski"},{"id":"seg_101555_132","meeting_id":"101555","media_asset_id":"med_101555_ac2ca6ea8216c427","agenda_item_id":null,"speaker_id":"spk_101555_ellen_richardson","speaker_confidence":0.95,"start_sec":2065.98,"end_sec":2109.48,"text":"I don't think it makes a difference personally.","topics_json":"[\"zoning\"]","vector_id":"vec_seg_101555_132","created_at":"2026-10-31T08:14:49Z","speaker_name":"Ellen Richardson"},{"id":"seg_101555_133","meeting_id":"101555","media_asset_id":"med_101555_ac2ca6ea8216c427","agenda_item_id":null,"speaker_id":"spk_101555_eric_czerwinski","speaker_confidence":0.9,"start_sec":2109.98,"end_sec":2110.98,"text":"Okay.","topics_json":"[\"zoning\"]","vector_id":"vec_seg_101555_133","created_at":"2026-10-31T08:14:49Z","speaker_name":"Eric Czerwinski"},{"id":"seg_101555_134","meeting_id":"101555","media_asset_id":"med_101555_ac2ca6ea8216c427","agenda_item_id":null,"speaker_id":"spk_101555_ellen_richardson","speaker_confidence":0.95,"start_sec":2112.48,"end_sec":2131.98,"text":"Um, and then the only other thing, I would go with all the staff recommendations, but, um, I would like to add to that, uh, that they should consider an alternative to the boxwood, as Ann pointed out that the boxwood all over town are just decimated.","topics_json":"[\"zoning\"]","vector_id":"vec_seg_101555_134","created_at":"2026-10-31T08:14:49Z","speaker_name":"Ellen Richardson"},{"id":"seg_101555_135","meeting_id":"101555","media_asset_id":"med_101555_ac2ca6ea8216c427","agenda_item_id":null,"speaker_id":"spk_101555_eric_czerwinski","speaker_confidence":0.9,"start_sec":2139.48,"end_sec":2143.98,"text":"Okay, so I think we're pretty much online with this. Does anybody want to forward a motion?","topics_json":"[\"zoning\"]","vector_id":"vec_seg_101555_135","created_at":"2026-10-31T08:14:49Z","speaker_name":"Eric Czerwinski"},{"id":"seg_101555_136","meeting_id":"101555","media_asset_id":"med_101555_ac2ca6ea8216c427","agenda_item_id":null,"speaker_id":"spk_101555_kathleen_baker","speaker_confidence":0.95,"start_sec":2144.48,"end_sec":2146.98,"text":"Oh, may I just make an extra comment? Thank you.","topics_json":"[\"zoning\"]","vector_id":"vec_seg_101555_136","created_at":"2026-10-31T08:14:49Z","speaker_name":"Kathleen Baker"},{"id":"seg_101555_137","meeting_id":"101555","media_asset_id":"med_101555_ac2ca6ea8216c427","agenda_item_id":null,"speaker_id":"spk_101555_eric_czerwinski","speaker_confidence":0.9,"start_sec":2147.48,"end_sec":2148.48,"text":"Sure.","topics_json":"[\"zoning\"]","vector_id":"vec_seg_101555_137","created_at":"2026-10-31T08:14:49Z","speaker_name":"Eric Czerwinski"},{"id":"seg_101555_138","meeting_id":"101555","media_asset_id":"med_101555_ac2ca6ea8216c427","agenda_item_id":null,"speaker_id":"spk_101555_kathleen_baker","speaker_confidence":0.95,"start_sec":2148.98,"end_sec":2218.48,"text":"This is Kathleen. Uh, I thought the first application, uh, was very fine, uh, number of months ago. Um, this one is stunning. Uh, it is complete. It is detailed. It is, um, uh, one of the most impressive uh pieces of work I've seen. And I wanted to thank all those who were involved in it for such excellent preparations.","topics_json":"[\"zoning\"]","vector_id":"vec_seg_101555_138","created_at":"2026-10-31T08:14:49Z","speaker_name":"Kathleen Baker"},{"id":"seg_101555_139","meeting_id":"101555","media_asset_id":"med_101555_ac2ca6ea8216c427","agenda_item_id":null,"speaker_id":"spk_101555_ann_horsey","speaker_confidence":0.95,"start_sec":2220.48,"end_sec":2260.98,"text":"I'd like to make a comment, too. What really, um, I understand the whole process of why the building needs to be demolished. We're not always a commission that denies demolition, but I think the, um, letter from, uh, Frank Demendi made it really clear on what his vision is for this site, and it is, uh, masterfully written if you read it, and he's emphasized his points, and it's beautifully done, and for that reason we should approve it.","topics_json":"[\"zoning\"]","vector_id":"vec_seg_101555_139","created_at":"2026-10-31T08:14:49Z","speaker_name":"Ann Horsey"},{"id":"seg_101555_14","meeting_id":"101555","media_asset_id":"med_101555_ac2ca6ea8216c427","agenda_item_id":null,"speaker_id":"spk_101555_dawn_melson_williams","speaker_confidence":0.95,"start_sec":552.05,"end_sec":609.13,"text":"Um, clearly focusing on the details of the the cornice line, um, and some of the other details of the building, um, and the applicant can address any of those questions that, uh, that you may have as well. Um, so again, this is a revision. Uh, specifically, the the two things are demolition of the building in its entirety and reconstruction, um, to match the existing, um, and the exterior finish, uh, material system that is being proposed. Uh, the Historic District Commission, um, your deliberations are subject to a public hearing this afternoon. You will be making a recommendation, and it will move on to Planning Commission for their own public hearing and then final action on the architectural review certificate as part of their site plan review.","topics_json":"[\"zoning\"]","vector_id":"vec_seg_101555_14","created_at":"2026-10-31T08:14:48Z","speaker_name":"Dawn Melson-Williams"},{"id":"seg_101555_140","meeting_id":"101555","media_asset_id":"med_101555_ac2ca6ea8216c427","agenda_item_id":null,"speaker_id":"spk_101555_ellen_richardson","speaker_confidence":0.95,"start_sec":2263.98,"end_sec":2327.98,"text":"Okay. I move that we approve, um, application HI-25-01 Revised Number 2, um, with the staff recommendations as well as an alternative suggestion for the boxwoods.","topics_json":"[\"zoning\"]","vector_id":"vec_seg_101555_140","created_at":"2026-10-31T08:14:49Z","speaker_name":"Ellen Richardson"},{"id":"seg_101555_141","meeting_id":"101555","media_asset_id":"med_101555_ac2ca6ea8216c427","agenda_item_id":null,"speaker_id":"spk_101555_ann_horsey","speaker_confidence":0.95,"start_sec":2329.48,"end_sec":2330.98,"text":"Second.","topics_json":"[\"zoning\"]","vector_id":"vec_seg_101555_141","created_at":"2026-10-31T08:14:49Z","speaker_name":"Ann Horsey"},{"id":"seg_101555_142","meeting_id":"101555","media_asset_id":"med_101555_ac2ca6ea8216c427","agenda_item_id":null,"speaker_id":"spk_101555_eric_czerwinski","speaker_confidence":0.9,"start_sec":2331.48,"end_sec":2332.98,"text":"Okay. All in favor say aye.","topics_json":"[\"zoning\"]","vector_id":"vec_seg_101555_142","created_at":"2026-10-31T08:14:49Z","speaker_name":"Eric Czerwinski"},{"id":"seg_101555_143","meeting_id":"101555","media_asset_id":"med_101555_ac2ca6ea8216c427","agenda_item_id":null,"speaker_id":"spk_101555_kathleen_baker","speaker_confidence":0.85,"start_sec":2333.08,"end_sec":2333.98,"text":"Aye.","topics_json":"[\"zoning\"]","vector_id":"vec_seg_101555_143","created_at":"2026-10-31T08:14:49Z","speaker_name":"Kathleen Baker"},{"id":"seg_101555_144","meeting_id":"101555","media_asset_id":"med_101555_ac2ca6ea8216c427","agenda_item_id":null,"speaker_id":"spk_101555_ann_horsey","speaker_confidence":0.85,"start_sec":2333.18,"end_sec":2334.18,"text":"Aye.","topics_json":"[\"zoning\"]","vector_id":"vec_seg_101555_144","created_at":"2026-10-31T08:14:49Z","speaker_name":"Ann Horsey"},{"id":"seg_101555_145","meeting_id":"101555","media_asset_id":"med_101555_ac2ca6ea8216c427","agenda_item_id":null,"speaker_id":"spk_101555_eric_czerwinski","speaker_confidence":0.9,"start_sec":2334.28,"end_sec":2335.48,"text":"All against?","topics_json":"[\"zoning\"]","vector_id":"vec_seg_101555_145","created_at":"2026-10-31T08:14:49Z","speaker_name":"Eric Czerwinski"},{"id":"seg_101555_146","meeting_id":"101555","media_asset_id":"med_101555_ac2ca6ea8216c427","agenda_item_id":null,"speaker_id":"spk_101555_dawn_melson_williams","speaker_confidence":0.95,"start_sec":2338.48,"end_sec":2358.98,"text":"Uh, so Mr. Chair, again, I would ask the members, uh, since you did that by, um, voice vote, if you, uh, each of you believe that your, um, your reasons for, um, voting the way you did were clearly reflected in the information that was placed on the record either through questioning or statements by others.","topics_json":"[\"zoning\"]","vector_id":"vec_seg_101555_146","created_at":"2026-10-31T08:14:49Z","speaker_name":"Dawn Melson-Williams"},{"id":"seg_101555_147","meeting_id":"101555","media_asset_id":"med_101555_ac2ca6ea8216c427","agenda_item_id":null,"speaker_id":"spk_101555_eric_czerwinski","speaker_confidence":0.95,"start_sec":2360.48,"end_sec":2363.98,"text":"Uh, this uh Mr. Czerwinski, yes.","topics_json":"[\"zoning\"]","vector_id":"vec_seg_101555_147","created_at":"2026-10-31T08:14:49Z","speaker_name":"Eric Czerwinski"},{"id":"seg_101555_148","meeting_id":"101555","media_asset_id":"med_101555_ac2ca6ea8216c427","agenda_item_id":null,"speaker_id":"spk_101555_ann_horsey","speaker_confidence":0.95,"start_sec":2364.98,"end_sec":2366.98,"text":"Ann Horsey, yes.","topics_json":"[\"zoning\"]","vector_id":"vec_seg_101555_148","created_at":"2026-10-31T08:14:49Z","speaker_name":"Ann Horsey"},{"id":"seg_101555_149","meeting_id":"101555","media_asset_id":"med_101555_ac2ca6ea8216c427","agenda_item_id":null,"speaker_id":"spk_101555_kathleen_baker","speaker_confidence":0.95,"start_sec":2408.48,"end_sec":2417.48,"text":"Kathleen Baker, yes. And, uh, additionally it is, uh, truly worthy of, uh, being the welcoming and landmark building for Dover.","topics_json":"[\"zoning\"]","vector_id":"vec_seg_101555_149","created_at":"2026-10-31T08:14:49Z","speaker_name":"Kathleen Baker"},{"id":"seg_101555_15","meeting_id":"101555","media_asset_id":"med_101555_ac2ca6ea8216c427","agenda_item_id":null,"speaker_id":"spk_101555_dawn_melson_williams","speaker_confidence":0.95,"start_sec":610.15,"end_sec":651.98,"text":"So, Mr. Chair, we do have representatives of the project, uh, team here with us, uh, today. I'm not sure who's going to take the lead. I think it's going to be Sal. Um, I do I do want to to note for the commission, um, that since, uh, you last saw this project, um, sadly, um, Mr. Frank DiMondi has passed, um, but the, uh, remaining project team is pushing forward with an exciting piece here for downtown. Um, so I think Sal was here the last time and has brought some samples and some, number of things for us to kind of consider, uh, in their request today.","topics_json":"[\"zoning\"]","vector_id":"vec_seg_101555_15","created_at":"2026-10-31T08:14:48Z","speaker_name":"Dawn Melson-Williams"},{"id":"seg_101555_150","meeting_id":"101555","media_asset_id":"med_101555_ac2ca6ea8216c427","agenda_item_id":null,"speaker_id":"spk_101555_ellen_richardson","speaker_confidence":0.95,"start_sec":2418.48,"end_sec":2420.98,"text":"Ellen Richardson, I concur.","topics_json":"[\"zoning\"]","vector_id":"vec_seg_101555_150","created_at":"2026-10-31T08:14:49Z","speaker_name":"Ellen Richardson"},{"id":"seg_101555_151","meeting_id":"101555","media_asset_id":"med_101555_ac2ca6ea8216c427","agenda_item_id":null,"speaker_id":"spk_101555_dawn_melson_williams","speaker_confidence":0.95,"start_sec":2423.98,"end_sec":2509.48,"text":"Thank you. Just want to make sure we've got that appropriately on the record. Uh, so your this was your recommendation on the architectural review certification for revision number two. Um, it will be verbally reported to the Planning Commission at their meeting on Monday evening. Um, normally we don't have that quick of a turnaround, but we're trying to keep the project moving, um, in the right direction, uh, given the the latest revision. Uh, so we will report, um, the proceedings of today, and, uh, the applicant will be likewise present at that meeting, and I would encourage you to bring your samples to that one as, too, um, so that the Planning Commission can learn about the, uh, wall system that is now proposed for this project.","topics_json":"[\"zoning\"]","vector_id":"vec_seg_101555_151","created_at":"2026-10-31T08:14:49Z","speaker_name":"Dawn Melson-Williams"},{"id":"seg_101555_152","meeting_id":"101555","media_asset_id":"med_101555_ac2ca6ea8216c427","agenda_item_id":null,"speaker_id":"spk_101555_eric_czerwinski","speaker_confidence":0.9,"start_sec":2511.98,"end_sec":2534.48,"text":"All right, thank you. All right, let's move on to, uh, the next, uh, new application. This is HI-25-02, uh, Revised, um, and S-25-11 Revised, uh, The Governor, uh, mixed-use building at 120 South Governors Avenue.","topics_json":"[\"zoning\",\"housing\"]","vector_id":"vec_seg_101555_152","created_at":"2026-10-31T08:14:49Z","speaker_name":"Eric Czerwinski"},{"id":"seg_101555_153","meeting_id":"101555","media_asset_id":"med_101555_ac2ca6ea8216c427","agenda_item_id":null,"speaker_id":"spk_101555_dawn_melson_williams","speaker_confidence":0.95,"start_sec":2536.98,"end_sec":2553.48,"text":"Okay, so Mr. Chair, um, we're going to hear from Chris on this one, and we do have, um, various members of the project team, so I'll call Chris forward. Um, he's helping save my voice today. Um, so another revision.","topics_json":"[\"zoning\"]","vector_id":"vec_seg_101555_153","created_at":"2026-10-31T08:14:49Z","speaker_name":"Dawn Melson-Williams"},{"id":"seg_101555_154","meeting_id":"101555","media_asset_id":"med_101555_ac2ca6ea8216c427","agenda_item_id":null,"speaker_id":"spk_101555_chris","speaker_confidence":0.9,"start_sec":2554.98,"end_sec":2637.98,"text":"Always happy to help save your voice when I can, Dawn. Good afternoon, Mr. Chair and members of the board. Today before you is a revision of an existing project, HI-25-02, The Governor Revised. It is a mixed-use building proposed at 120 South Governors Avenue. The property is zoned C-2 Central Commercial and Historic. The commission has been provided with the minutes of the July 17th, 2025 Historic District Commission meeting for your reference for this project, um, and the key points behind this project revisiting is really the architectural changes that have been proposed by the applicant and their new architect.","topics_json":"[\"zoning\",\"housing\"]","vector_id":"vec_seg_101555_154","created_at":"2026-10-31T08:14:49Z","speaker_name":"Chris"},{"id":"seg_101555_155","meeting_id":"101555","media_asset_id":"med_101555_ac2ca6ea8216c427","agenda_item_id":null,"speaker_id":"spk_101555_chris","speaker_confidence":0.95,"start_sec":2639.48,"end_sec":2711.97,"text":"So the original project proposed a 169,080 sq ft mixed-use building including retail and restaurant spaces, a child daycare, grocery, and 120 apartment buildings. That makeup of the building has not changed. The original building was meant to be 60 ft tall, clad in masonry colors and copper-brown metal paneling with a matte black trim and fiber cement panels in neutral tones with black and dark bronze metal elements. The first treatment would be the first treatment will be on the north and southeastern corners, and there was a second treatment including neutral tones of plank siding and fiber cement, black matte trim, masonry, and black or dark bronze decorative metal elements with window frames. The primary facade would alternate between masonry piers, glazing, fiber cement piers, and accent metal panels. Both the street-facing elevations were proposed to have a brickwork pattern of varying orientations up to the cornice line, where it would transition into a more muted expression on the upper levels.","topics_json":"[\"zoning\",\"housing\"]","vector_id":"vec_seg_101555_155","created_at":"2026-10-31T08:14:49Z","speaker_name":"Chris"},{"id":"seg_101555_156","meeting_id":"101555","media_asset_id":"med_101555_ac2ca6ea8216c427","agenda_item_id":null,"speaker_id":"spk_101555_alex","speaker_confidence":0.9,"start_sec":2711.97,"end_sec":2777.18,"text":"again, clean up the the surrounding context to make sure that the experience as you walk around the building has eyes on it. There's more transparency, there's more eyes on the street and sidewalks in activation. And then if we're able to go to the New Street side, there was comments previously made with a previous design and we wanted to fine-tune this was add additional storefront along the grocer that faces that parking. Really trying to activate that that side of the street. So when people are engaging at the grocer, again people can see inside and outside the building. It's activated, people feel more safe because there's transparency, there's connection. And the last bit of detail is really adding in those canopies. Again, a lot of emphasis on refining that design so that the pedestrian experience is in keeping with what's happening on either side of us, but it's it's welcoming, it's safe, and it's engaging for the people of the community when they come here and they they're patrons of the hopefully the grocery store and and the daycare. So with that, I will answer any questions the team may have.","topics_json":"[\"zoning\",\"business\"]","vector_id":"vec_seg_101555_156","created_at":"2026-10-31T08:14:49Z","speaker_name":"Alex"},{"id":"seg_101555_157","meeting_id":"101555","media_asset_id":"med_101555_ac2ca6ea8216c427","agenda_item_id":null,"speaker_id":"spk_101555_board_member_1","speaker_confidence":0.85,"start_sec":2780.19,"end_sec":2806.28,"text":"Well, I got a couple comments if you want me to lead off with this. First of all, the Governors facade is absolutely gorgeous. That's a work of art. Absolute work of art. I I was stunned. The the the features, the the massing, everything about it just absolutely perfect. My problem is the New Street side where you literally took a two-story rear facade brick structure or facade and then basically took it off the back and put it on the front. And my problem, like I said, this is a slam dunk on Governors. New Street's another story altogether because uh if you could show the New Street side. What was the idea behind the mural wall? Is that Is there a functional reason why that's there?","topics_json":"[\"zoning\"]","vector_id":"vec_seg_101555_157","created_at":"2026-10-31T08:14:49Z","speaker_name":null},{"id":"seg_101555_158","meeting_id":"101555","media_asset_id":"med_101555_ac2ca6ea8216c427","agenda_item_id":null,"speaker_id":"spk_101555_alex","speaker_confidence":0.9,"start_sec":2806.34,"end_sec":2857.19,"text":"So that portion of the building is actually a stair tower that we relocated for better egress for fire life safety so that that end of the building is a stair tower now. So there isn't really an opportunity to put windows to really activate it. So instead, our intent was, because there was murals in previous design, was re- reincorporate that in a strategic location where unfortunately there isn't a great opportunity to put windows, but activate in a way that we can create something for the community and create something artistic. So right now that elevation in that rendering, it is just a gray block, but the intent is that you can see it in that image, the lighter gray, the intent is in that zone there would be some type of art that we would install there to activate that space.","topics_json":"[\"public_safety\",\"zoning\"]","vector_id":"vec_seg_101555_158","created_at":"2026-10-31T08:14:49Z","speaker_name":"Alex"},{"id":"seg_101555_159","meeting_id":"101555","media_asset_id":"med_101555_ac2ca6ea8216c427","agenda_item_id":null,"speaker_id":"spk_101555_board_member_1","speaker_confidence":0.85,"start_sec":2857.31,"end_sec":2909.54,"text":"That's a massive piece of art. Well, my problem really is is that the New Street side is yeah, well it's just it's it's blasé. And the thing is, what's sad about that, if you go to the Governors side, there's no houses that face Governors side, right? I mean you're getting to the central city, and you're showing your best side to the central city, and you're kind of showing the back to the neighborhood. Because there's actually there's really it's almost featureless on the rear on the rear elevation of the building. What was once you had the brick facade on the rear on the northwest elevation of the building, you took that off altogether. So you took a feature away with the cornice of showing anything that had anything to relate to a neighborhood.","topics_json":"[\"zoning\",\"housing\"]","vector_id":"vec_seg_101555_159","created_at":"2026-10-31T08:14:49Z","speaker_name":null},{"id":"seg_101555_16","meeting_id":"101555","media_asset_id":"med_101555_ac2ca6ea8216c427","agenda_item_id":null,"speaker_id":"spk_101555_dawn_melson_williams","speaker_confidence":0.95,"start_sec":652.79,"end_sec":656.9,"text":"So, if you introduce yourself for the record and try to talk directly into that microphone.","topics_json":"[]","vector_id":"vec_seg_101555_16","created_at":"2026-10-31T08:14:48Z","speaker_name":"Dawn Melson-Williams"},{"id":"seg_101555_160","meeting_id":"101555","media_asset_id":"med_101555_ac2ca6ea8216c427","agenda_item_id":null,"speaker_id":"spk_101555_board_member_2","speaker_confidence":0.8,"start_sec":2909.72,"end_sec":2914.23,"text":"Yeah. Can can you go to page 11 in you put up page 11","topics_json":"[\"zoning\"]","vector_id":"vec_seg_101555_160","created_at":"2026-10-31T08:14:49Z","speaker_name":null},{"id":"seg_101555_161","meeting_id":"101555","media_asset_id":"med_101555_ac2ca6ea8216c427","agenda_item_id":null,"speaker_id":"spk_101555_city_staff_member","speaker_confidence":0.8,"start_sec":2914.41,"end_sec":2918.85,"text":"Can you can you go Can you pull it up? It's so it's not loaded there. Um","topics_json":"[\"zoning\"]","vector_id":"vec_seg_101555_161","created_at":"2026-10-31T08:14:49Z","speaker_name":null},{"id":"seg_101555_162","meeting_id":"101555","media_asset_id":"med_101555_ac2ca6ea8216c427","agenda_item_id":null,"speaker_id":"spk_101555_city_staff_member","speaker_confidence":0.8,"start_sec":2922.04,"end_sec":2925.71,"text":"Yeah. So if we can go to the online packet, then you can pull it up. I think.","topics_json":"[\"zoning\"]","vector_id":"vec_seg_101555_162","created_at":"2026-10-31T08:14:49Z","speaker_name":null},{"id":"seg_101555_163","meeting_id":"101555","media_asset_id":"med_101555_ac2ca6ea8216c427","agenda_item_id":null,"speaker_id":"spk_101555_board_member_1","speaker_confidence":0.85,"start_sec":2953.41,"end_sec":2986.65,"text":"Well, anyways, I just I'm kind of alarmed at the lack of features on the back side. And those faces those face the houses. So if you're trying to invite people in, and they want to be part of this neighborhood, they're going to see the back side of a beautiful building that they're not going to be able to enjoy. And I and I and I was kind of surprised because the front looked really good, and all of a sudden, it's like you took off the only architectural feature that made the back uh the rear elevation even worth looking at. Because we had complained before on the old design that it looked too much like a hospital, like that was the emergency room entrance to a hospital. And that's where I have a major problem with this building, because this is in a residential area. This isn't in the middle of the city. That's not facing off some you know facing another office building, it's actually facing the New Street neighborhood. And if I were in that neighborhood, I'd be kind of alarmed having this large, featureless building backed up to my house.","topics_json":"[\"housing\",\"zoning\"]","vector_id":"vec_seg_101555_163","created_at":"2026-10-31T08:14:49Z","speaker_name":null},{"id":"seg_101555_164","meeting_id":"101555","media_asset_id":"med_101555_ac2ca6ea8216c427","agenda_item_id":null,"speaker_id":"spk_101555_board_member_2","speaker_confidence":0.8,"start_sec":2986.71,"end_sec":3016.47,"text":"it's the view the bottom with that big gray square on top of one of the buildings, it's","topics_json":"[\"zoning\"]","vector_id":"vec_seg_101555_164","created_at":"2026-10-31T08:14:49Z","speaker_name":null},{"id":"seg_101555_165","meeting_id":"101555","media_asset_id":"med_101555_ac2ca6ea8216c427","agenda_item_id":null,"speaker_id":"spk_101555_board_member_1","speaker_confidence":0.85,"start_sec":3016.65,"end_sec":3019.11,"text":"Yeah, well this one's showing the old and the new. It's showing exactly what I was talking about.","topics_json":"[\"zoning\"]","vector_id":"vec_seg_101555_165","created_at":"2026-10-31T08:14:49Z","speaker_name":null},{"id":"seg_101555_166","meeting_id":"101555","media_asset_id":"med_101555_ac2ca6ea8216c427","agenda_item_id":null,"speaker_id":"spk_101555_board_member_2","speaker_confidence":0.8,"start_sec":3019.17,"end_sec":3019.95,"text":"Exactly. Yeah.","topics_json":"[\"zoning\"]","vector_id":"vec_seg_101555_166","created_at":"2026-10-31T08:14:49Z","speaker_name":null},{"id":"seg_101555_167","meeting_id":"101555","media_asset_id":"med_101555_ac2ca6ea8216c427","agenda_item_id":null,"speaker_id":"spk_101555_board_member_1","speaker_confidence":0.85,"start_sec":3020.13,"end_sec":3033.24,"text":"Um instead, like on the rear elevation, you incorporated the staircase, so instead of having a pair of windows there, and I understand that there's got to be a design element changed, but then you go to this big, what looks like a video screen. It just looks really alarming because now you just elevated the building because of that the square. The square is so out of place to the rest of the building.","topics_json":"[\"zoning\"]","vector_id":"vec_seg_101555_167","created_at":"2026-10-31T08:14:49Z","speaker_name":null},{"id":"seg_101555_168","meeting_id":"101555","media_asset_id":"med_101555_ac2ca6ea8216c427","agenda_item_id":null,"speaker_id":"spk_101555_board_member_2","speaker_confidence":0.8,"start_sec":3033.42,"end_sec":3034.32,"text":"Yeah, what is that square?","topics_json":"[\"zoning\"]","vector_id":"vec_seg_101555_168","created_at":"2026-10-31T08:14:49Z","speaker_name":null},{"id":"seg_101555_169","meeting_id":"101555","media_asset_id":"med_101555_ac2ca6ea8216c427","agenda_item_id":null,"speaker_id":"spk_101555_board_member_1","speaker_confidence":0.85,"start_sec":3034.38,"end_sec":3035.64,"text":"Well, like you said, it's a staircase, right? An emergency staircase?","topics_json":"[\"zoning\"]","vector_id":"vec_seg_101555_169","created_at":"2026-10-31T08:14:49Z","speaker_name":null},{"id":"seg_101555_17","meeting_id":"101555","media_asset_id":"med_101555_ac2ca6ea8216c427","agenda_item_id":null,"speaker_id":"spk_101555_sal_leoni","speaker_confidence":0.95,"start_sec":657.38,"end_sec":724.81,"text":"Thank Thank you, Dawn. Appreciate it. My name is Sal Leoni. I'm with FAD Management and the team from Old Post, LLC, that's going to be developing the project. Um, as Dawn said, there's really two reasons why, excuse me, we're here today, and that's for the demolition of the entire building, and also the use of EIFS. And this, both of these conditions came upon us after we did additional testing inside the building and found out that it's a very, very weak substructure underneath the building, and, um, the reports were suggesting that we have to use something called a rigid inclusion piling, which is bearing an additional approximately $375,000 in costs for the specialized footings for the building.","topics_json":"[\"business\",\"zoning\"]","vector_id":"vec_seg_101555_17","created_at":"2026-10-31T08:14:48Z","speaker_name":"Sal Leoni"},{"id":"seg_101555_170","meeting_id":"101555","media_asset_id":"med_101555_ac2ca6ea8216c427","agenda_item_id":null,"speaker_id":"spk_101555_alex","speaker_confidence":0.9,"start_sec":3035.82,"end_sec":3044.35,"text":"Yes, that entire wall is the staircase. The intent for that square is that that'd be designated space for a mural at a future date. So it would not remain a a gray square. That would be activated with art. That is the intent. Obviously","topics_json":"[\"zoning\"]","vector_id":"vec_seg_101555_170","created_at":"2026-10-31T08:14:49Z","speaker_name":"Alex"},{"id":"seg_101555_171","meeting_id":"101555","media_asset_id":"med_101555_ac2ca6ea8216c427","agenda_item_id":null,"speaker_id":"spk_101555_board_member_1","speaker_confidence":0.85,"start_sec":3044.41,"end_sec":3132.71,"text":"Yeah, I know. With a mural, you'd have a nice big mural on it. And then, of course, with the garage door, which I understand the necessity of it, but that doesn't add to the character whatsoever the I just, like I said, had this been aiming out towards another part of the city where there was some other whether the Duncan Center was across the street or some other office building, but people are living there. And then when they see this building, it's pretty nondescript. And you took off the one like I said, the one feature on the northwest elevation that made it you know have any charm. You took that off, and that's my biggest concern with this. You did a wonderful job on Governors. It's absolutely gorgeous. And then you took all the money and you put it right on the front, and then you put no money into the back. And I wish we had a better balanced approach, because I think, even though I like this design a heck of a lot better, the original proposition was at least a little bit more balanced you know going onto New Street. Because there's got to be more done to make that less like like a hotel than an apartment building. There is a difference between the two, you know what I mean? And I just don't see it here, and that's my problem.","topics_json":"[\"zoning\",\"housing\"]","vector_id":"vec_seg_101555_171","created_at":"2026-10-31T08:14:49Z","speaker_name":null},{"id":"seg_101555_172","meeting_id":"101555","media_asset_id":"med_101555_ac2ca6ea8216c427","agenda_item_id":null,"speaker_id":"spk_101555_board_member_1","speaker_confidence":0.85,"start_sec":3136.02,"end_sec":3136.5,"text":"Other comments?","topics_json":"[\"zoning\"]","vector_id":"vec_seg_101555_172","created_at":"2026-10-31T08:14:49Z","speaker_name":null},{"id":"seg_101555_173","meeting_id":"101555","media_asset_id":"med_101555_ac2ca6ea8216c427","agenda_item_id":null,"speaker_id":"spk_101555_board_member_2","speaker_confidence":0.8,"start_sec":3136.62,"end_sec":3148.16,"text":"No, I I agree 100%. You you did have a slide that included all the architectural details that you found around town, but I don't see a single one of them on this side of the building.","topics_json":"[\"zoning\"]","vector_id":"vec_seg_101555_173","created_at":"2026-10-31T08:14:49Z","speaker_name":null},{"id":"seg_101555_174","meeting_id":"101555","media_asset_id":"med_101555_ac2ca6ea8216c427","agenda_item_id":null,"speaker_id":"spk_101555_alex","speaker_confidence":0.9,"start_sec":3148.7,"end_sec":3159.46,"text":"Yeah, and I think if you actually go down one more slide in this, there's another image actually looks into the entryway where all of those details picked back up because it's a high tactile zone. Um believe it's the next page in this slide. Um if you flip","topics_json":"[\"zoning\"]","vector_id":"vec_seg_101555_174","created_at":"2026-10-31T08:14:49Z","speaker_name":"Alex"},{"id":"seg_101555_175","meeting_id":"101555","media_asset_id":"med_101555_ac2ca6ea8216c427","agenda_item_id":null,"speaker_id":"spk_101555_city_staff_member","speaker_confidence":0.8,"start_sec":3160.06,"end_sec":3165.11,"text":"So Alex, can you go back up? Uh yeah. So there's that one, and then I think there's it's before that.","topics_json":"[\"zoning\"]","vector_id":"vec_seg_101555_175","created_at":"2026-10-31T08:14:49Z","speaker_name":null},{"id":"seg_101555_176","meeting_id":"101555","media_asset_id":"med_101555_ac2ca6ea8216c427","agenda_item_id":null,"speaker_id":"spk_101555_alex","speaker_confidence":0.9,"start_sec":3165.17,"end_sec":3210.01,"text":"Correct, that one. So this is looking a little bit more actually into that space, and you can see that the back white wall, that is emulating the exact same details that we see on the the Governor's side. So all that trim work, it's brought back in, and we try to keep all of the architectural details, so like residential is residential, anything that's commercial has the brick and that storefront, the canopy. We're trying to keep the program and the architectural elements consistent. Um so you do start to see all those detail elements show back up on this. It's just this is a more closed-in view where you can actually start to see that detail come back.","topics_json":"[\"zoning\"]","vector_id":"vec_seg_101555_176","created_at":"2026-10-31T08:14:49Z","speaker_name":"Alex"},{"id":"seg_101555_177","meeting_id":"101555","media_asset_id":"med_101555_ac2ca6ea8216c427","agenda_item_id":null,"speaker_id":"spk_101555_board_member_1","speaker_confidence":0.85,"start_sec":3210.25,"end_sec":3279.67,"text":"Right, and that was the first one I saw, and I'm like, oh it doesn't look that bad, you know, when it's close up and you're looking down into the the alcove there. And then when you pull back, it's like there's nothing else there. And like I said, with that big staircase in black, it really stands out. It just doesn't It looks completely out of place for the area. You know, because again, we got to look at scale, right? This is important, and we've been dealing with this with other projects, whether it's the Family Court building or we're talking about the parking garage for the Legislative Green. Scale is really important, and we we kind of we ignore that. And the thing is, like in the past we've always tried to bring the eyes down. And we tried to do that a little bit with the white. I understand that. But this is bereft of any architectural features on it whatsoever. So, um you know, there's no cornices, there's no uh you know breakups in the design whatsoever. Like the front does it beautifully. This one just has straight line. And it just screams office buildings versus, and like I said, we're nestled right into a residential area. This is going right next to people's houses. So you open up your door, and you got this big big box in front of you. And I I just I have a problem. Maybe we need to turn that around and put the front on New Street, and then put this on Governors. You know, that's just the way I'm thinking.","topics_json":"[\"zoning\",\"housing\"]","vector_id":"vec_seg_101555_177","created_at":"2026-10-31T08:14:49Z","speaker_name":null},{"id":"seg_101555_178","meeting_id":"101555","media_asset_id":"med_101555_ac2ca6ea8216c427","agenda_item_id":null,"speaker_id":"spk_101555_board_member_3","speaker_confidence":0.8,"start_sec":3281.05,"end_sec":3287,"text":"Um my comment will would be similar, but I think, yeah, Governors Avenue is beautiful, and to carry that same kind of feeling around to New Street,","topics_json":"[\"zoning\"]","vector_id":"vec_seg_101555_178","created_at":"2026-10-31T08:14:49Z","speaker_name":null},{"id":"seg_101555_179","meeting_id":"101555","media_asset_id":"med_101555_ac2ca6ea8216c427","agenda_item_id":null,"speaker_id":"spk_101555_board_member_3","speaker_confidence":0.8,"start_sec":3287.36,"end_sec":3317.48,"text":"to think that New is an important street, just like Governors is. Um and I do think with the other slide, this one is okay, I think, this view. And on the what would be the north side, the south side, um as others have reflected, um there is that big square that that's so different in color, and","topics_json":"[\"zoning\"]","vector_id":"vec_seg_101555_179","created_at":"2026-10-31T08:14:49Z","speaker_name":null},{"id":"seg_101555_18","meeting_id":"101555","media_asset_id":"med_101555_ac2ca6ea8216c427","agenda_item_id":null,"speaker_id":"spk_101555_sal_leoni","speaker_confidence":0.95,"start_sec":724.81,"end_sec":766.19,"text":"But what particularly came in the difficulty was bringing the old front of the building up to the new rear of the building. Leaving the front of the building, we would have to do diagonally drilled-in inclusion, rigid inclusion pilings, which were almost virtually impossible to do, and very unsafe. And as we were in there doing testing, and we cut a hole in the wall, which I'm sure you saw, to get some of the debris out, uh, some of the front of the brick started crumbling, and we've come to the conclusion that really the front is is very unsafe, and a lot of our demo contractors were just unsafe about leaving it there. So, we came up with the idea of just taking the whole thing down,","topics_json":"[\"public_safety\",\"zoning\"]","vector_id":"vec_seg_101555_18","created_at":"2026-10-31T08:14:48Z","speaker_name":"Sal Leoni"},{"id":"seg_101555_180","meeting_id":"101555","media_asset_id":"med_101555_ac2ca6ea8216c427","agenda_item_id":null,"speaker_id":"spk_101555_board_member_3","speaker_confidence":0.8,"start_sec":3318.32,"end_sec":3347.17,"text":"and then the the two other, yeah, the the white and the black. And maybe that could change color a bit, or something could happen, but I agree. The south um west, yes, um is a little jarring, a little too geometric. Maybe, yeah.","topics_json":"[\"zoning\"]","vector_id":"vec_seg_101555_180","created_at":"2026-10-31T08:14:49Z","speaker_name":null},{"id":"seg_101555_181","meeting_id":"101555","media_asset_id":"med_101555_ac2ca6ea8216c427","agenda_item_id":null,"speaker_id":"spk_101555_board_member_2","speaker_confidence":0.8,"start_sec":3347.41,"end_sec":3352.04,"text":"It it just doesn't look like it belongs in a historic neighborhood. It it doesn't.","topics_json":"[\"zoning\"]","vector_id":"vec_seg_101555_181","created_at":"2026-10-31T08:14:49Z","speaker_name":null},{"id":"seg_101555_182","meeting_id":"101555","media_asset_id":"med_101555_ac2ca6ea8216c427","agenda_item_id":null,"speaker_id":"spk_101555_board_member_1","speaker_confidence":0.85,"start_sec":3354.5,"end_sec":3355.7,"text":"And Ms. Baker, do you have any comments?","topics_json":"[\"zoning\"]","vector_id":"vec_seg_101555_182","created_at":"2026-10-31T08:14:49Z","speaker_name":null},{"id":"seg_101555_183","meeting_id":"101555","media_asset_id":"med_101555_ac2ca6ea8216c427","agenda_item_id":null,"speaker_id":"spk_101555_ms_baker","speaker_confidence":0.85,"start_sec":3361.11,"end_sec":3394.89,"text":"The big black box is amazing. Um and it's all you see. Uh on that elevation and then and then I concur. It looks like a hospital if you No. Uh there's got to be some way within a a financial framework to fix that. Um It's It's uh It is extremely jarring.","topics_json":"[\"zoning\"]","vector_id":"vec_seg_101555_183","created_at":"2026-10-31T08:14:49Z","speaker_name":"Ms. Baker"},{"id":"seg_101555_184","meeting_id":"101555","media_asset_id":"med_101555_ac2ca6ea8216c427","agenda_item_id":null,"speaker_id":"spk_101555_ms_baker","speaker_confidence":0.85,"start_sec":3396.45,"end_sec":3407.03,"text":"Uh I don't know how to fix that, but I bet you do.","topics_json":"[\"zoning\"]","vector_id":"vec_seg_101555_184","created_at":"2026-10-31T08:14:49Z","speaker_name":"Ms. Baker"},{"id":"seg_101555_185","meeting_id":"101555","media_asset_id":"med_101555_ac2ca6ea8216c427","agenda_item_id":null,"speaker_id":"spk_101555_alex","speaker_confidence":0.9,"start_sec":3407.09,"end_sec":3462.57,"text":"There there are numerous uh solutions, and it's it's good to kind of hear your feedback, because as you're talking, it's it's one of the first things that I'm looking at is the the cornice line between the brick and the fiber cement. That's something that we can absolutely bring back like articulate more, give it a little more depth, give it more play, get the shadow play. Those are like little moves that are are easy to incorporate, but add that texture and the detail that I'm hearing you all say. And then with that end condition with the stair, we can look at that a little bit further and see if there's some way to activate it, whether we redesign how the stair actually configures, so there is a way to get windows on one of the sides to activate it, just so it's not a blank wall. So what I'm hearing is we can refine that just a little bit, add some of that that detail that you see on the Governor's side, and it it captures some of the character that I I'm hearing you all express.","topics_json":"[\"zoning\"]","vector_id":"vec_seg_101555_185","created_at":"2026-10-31T08:14:49Z","speaker_name":"Alex"},{"id":"seg_101555_186","meeting_id":"101555","media_asset_id":"med_101555_ac2ca6ea8216c427","agenda_item_id":null,"speaker_id":"spk_101555_board_member_1","speaker_confidence":0.85,"start_sec":3463.41,"end_sec":3507.11,"text":"Exactly. Like I said, there's so much care done to the to the Governors facade, Governors Avenue facade of this building, and I'd like to see a little bit more of that care. Like I said, I think like I said, some more cornices, doing some care on the cornices and that sort of thing to add some design features. I don't know if uh like a sashed window design, so they're a little bit less office-looking. I don't know, like you said, you're the architect. I know that you can figure out little fixes here and there on that. Does anybody have anything any comments?","topics_json":"[\"zoning\"]","vector_id":"vec_seg_101555_186","created_at":"2026-10-31T08:14:49Z","speaker_name":null},{"id":"seg_101555_187","meeting_id":"101555","media_asset_id":"med_101555_ac2ca6ea8216c427","agenda_item_id":null,"speaker_id":"spk_101555_board_member_3","speaker_confidence":0.8,"start_sec":3507.59,"end_sec":3516.06,"text":"Yeah, what I really like um too as a side note is the way you've put a little bit of italic in the Governor. It really dignifies it, I think.","topics_json":"[\"zoning\"]","vector_id":"vec_seg_101555_187","created_at":"2026-10-31T08:14:49Z","speaker_name":null},{"id":"seg_101555_188","meeting_id":"101555","media_asset_id":"med_101555_ac2ca6ea8216c427","agenda_item_id":null,"speaker_id":"spk_101555_board_member_2","speaker_confidence":0.8,"start_sec":3517.69,"end_sec":3527.91,"text":"Now, would the brick that is on the front of the Governor um Governor Avenue, would that be the same brick that is on like the grocery store? Correct. And, okay, because they're different colors in the packet.","topics_json":"[\"zoning\",\"business\"]","vector_id":"vec_seg_101555_188","created_at":"2026-10-31T08:14:49Z","speaker_name":null},{"id":"seg_101555_189","meeting_id":"101555","media_asset_id":"med_101555_ac2ca6ea8216c427","agenda_item_id":null,"speaker_id":"spk_101555_alex","speaker_confidence":0.9,"start_sec":3528.21,"end_sec":3573.77,"text":"Yeah, so in the previous design, there was I think there was I believe there was two different distinct colors. Our kind of approach for this was to keep the colors consistent, so the identity is the same. So as it kind of translates around, and if we actually go to two slides down, you can kind of see how it rotates. So you can kind of start to actually see how that brick rotates down and see how it translates to the ground floor. So the intent is to keep the brick consistent as you move around the site, and there's only one, and you're keeping essentially four to five colors most, so it's all consistent as we move around the site.","topics_json":"[\"zoning\"]","vector_id":"vec_seg_101555_189","created_at":"2026-10-31T08:14:49Z","speaker_name":"Alex"},{"id":"seg_101555_19","meeting_id":"101555","media_asset_id":"med_101555_ac2ca6ea8216c427","agenda_item_id":null,"speaker_id":"spk_101555_sal_leoni","speaker_confidence":0.95,"start_sec":766.19,"end_sec":816.29,"text":"and rebuilding it exactly as it is today, only, obviously, much newer, much newer standards. And the second issue we had was with the use of the full-sized brick, it was just putting on so much weight to these rigid inclusions that, on the exterior of the building, if we went with the EIFS material, it would just lighten it up, uh, a lot, and just make it a much more kind of, I don't know exactly the term I'm looking for, but it was going to work out a lot better as far as weight of the building goes. So, um, we brought samples of the EIFS.","topics_json":"[\"zoning\"]","vector_id":"vec_seg_101555_19","created_at":"2026-10-31T08:14:48Z","speaker_name":"Sal Leoni"},{"id":"seg_101555_190","meeting_id":"101555","media_asset_id":"med_101555_ac2ca6ea8216c427","agenda_item_id":null,"speaker_id":"spk_101555_board_member_2","speaker_confidence":0.8,"start_sec":3574.25,"end_sec":3574.67,"text":"Thank you.","topics_json":"[\"zoning\"]","vector_id":"vec_seg_101555_190","created_at":"2026-10-31T08:14:49Z","speaker_name":null},{"id":"seg_101555_191","meeting_id":"101555","media_asset_id":"med_101555_ac2ca6ea8216c427","agenda_item_id":null,"speaker_id":"spk_101555_alex","speaker_confidence":0.9,"start_sec":3574.73,"end_sec":3575.63,"text":"Thank you for asking that question. That's a good one.","topics_json":"[\"zoning\"]","vector_id":"vec_seg_101555_191","created_at":"2026-10-31T08:14:49Z","speaker_name":"Alex"},{"id":"seg_101555_192","meeting_id":"101555","media_asset_id":"med_101555_ac2ca6ea8216c427","agenda_item_id":null,"speaker_id":"spk_101555_board_member_3","speaker_confidence":0.8,"start_sec":3577.49,"end_sec":3615.96,"text":"Yes, and um the the use of black, um I I really like the drama of black, but it may not uh you there may be another another what you may be able to keep the black as much as it is because it is very distinctive looking, but there's a lot of darkness in","topics_json":"[\"zoning\"]","vector_id":"vec_seg_101555_192","created_at":"2026-10-31T08:14:49Z","speaker_name":null},{"id":"seg_101555_193","meeting_id":"101555","media_asset_id":"med_101555_ac2ca6ea8216c427","agenda_item_id":null,"speaker_id":"spk_101555_kathleen_baker","speaker_confidence":0.95,"start_sec":3615.95,"end_sec":3657.45,"text":"the Loockerman context. And I always I always am eager to see it lightened up a bit, but that's a matter of personal taste. The the thing is to maybe find some aspect of even if it's, I don't know, some aspect from the front of the Governor that you can you can paste onto the back, if you will. And yeah, I think a mural would be great, but a mural that sits up like that is is looming rather than inspiring.","topics_json":"[\"zoning\"]","vector_id":"vec_seg_101555_193","created_at":"2026-10-31T08:14:49Z","speaker_name":"Kathleen Baker"},{"id":"seg_101555_194","meeting_id":"101555","media_asset_id":"med_101555_ac2ca6ea8216c427","agenda_item_id":null,"speaker_id":"spk_101555_sean","speaker_confidence":0.9,"start_sec":3657.95,"end_sec":3679.75,"text":"Yeah, and to your point about like those details, again, like taking that cornice line that we see here and pulling that around, you're saying that these are these are little things that we can easily catch in comments and and incorporate that. So again, there's that continuity, the the the line that goes around that level. There's that kind of integration of the mural, so we can absolutely look into that further.","topics_json":"[\"zoning\"]","vector_id":"vec_seg_101555_194","created_at":"2026-10-31T08:14:49Z","speaker_name":null},{"id":"seg_101555_195","meeting_id":"101555","media_asset_id":"med_101555_ac2ca6ea8216c427","agenda_item_id":null,"speaker_id":"spk_101555_kathleen_baker","speaker_confidence":0.95,"start_sec":3679.95,"end_sec":3700.95,"text":"I was delighted to hear Mr. Chairman's comment initially because that was that was my comment, too: the change between the former presentation of the Governors Avenue side and this one was wonderful.","topics_json":"[\"zoning\"]","vector_id":"vec_seg_101555_195","created_at":"2026-10-31T08:14:49Z","speaker_name":"Kathleen Baker"},{"id":"seg_101555_196","meeting_id":"101555","media_asset_id":"med_101555_ac2ca6ea8216c427","agenda_item_id":null,"speaker_id":"spk_101555_joseph_czerwinski","speaker_confidence":0.9,"start_sec":3702.45,"end_sec":3711.95,"text":"Well yeah, I'd like to see that kind of wrap around on the other side a little bit so we could feature some of the charm that's on Governors and incorporate that on New Street.","topics_json":"[\"zoning\"]","vector_id":"vec_seg_101555_196","created_at":"2026-10-31T08:14:49Z","speaker_name":"Joseph Czerwinski"},{"id":"seg_101555_197","meeting_id":"101555","media_asset_id":"med_101555_ac2ca6ea8216c427","agenda_item_id":null,"speaker_id":"spk_101555_kathleen_baker","speaker_confidence":0.95,"start_sec":3713.95,"end_sec":3729.45,"text":"And we know how that neighborhood is suffering now, believe me. So anything to relieve that suffering and raise the aspirations of people. Yes. Very, very important. Thank you.","topics_json":"[\"zoning\"]","vector_id":"vec_seg_101555_197","created_at":"2026-10-31T08:14:49Z","speaker_name":"Kathleen Baker"},{"id":"seg_101555_198","meeting_id":"101555","media_asset_id":"med_101555_ac2ca6ea8216c427","agenda_item_id":null,"speaker_id":"spk_101555_joseph_czerwinski","speaker_confidence":0.95,"start_sec":3731.95,"end_sec":3735.15,"text":"All right. Anything else? All right, well thank you very much for your presentation. Thank you.","topics_json":"[]","vector_id":"vec_seg_101555_198","created_at":"2026-10-31T08:14:49Z","speaker_name":"Joseph Czerwinski"},{"id":"seg_101555_199","meeting_id":"101555","media_asset_id":"med_101555_ac2ca6ea8216c427","agenda_item_id":null,"speaker_id":"spk_101555_sean","speaker_confidence":0.85,"start_sec":3735.25,"end_sec":3737.15,"text":"Thank you all for the comments.","topics_json":"[]","vector_id":"vec_seg_101555_199","created_at":"2026-10-31T08:14:49Z","speaker_name":null},{"id":"seg_101555_2","meeting_id":"101555","media_asset_id":"med_101555_ac2ca6ea8216c427","agenda_item_id":null,"speaker_id":"spk_101555_dawn_melson_williams","speaker_confidence":0.95,"start_sec":17.63,"end_sec":21.72,"text":"Give me a moment, I'm getting paperwork adjusted.","topics_json":"[]","vector_id":"vec_seg_101555_2","created_at":"2026-10-31T08:14:48Z","speaker_name":"Dawn Melson-Williams"},{"id":"seg_101555_20","meeting_id":"101555","media_asset_id":"med_101555_ac2ca6ea8216c427","agenda_item_id":null,"speaker_id":"spk_101555_sal_leoni","speaker_confidence":0.95,"start_sec":816.92,"end_sec":834.78,"text":"Um, the sample board itself is not the exact color, but the brick, that's one of the bricks from the post office, so the EIFS company matched the color, which is this right here. So if you just picture color on here, which isn't far off, um, that's what they're using, and I can bring it over if you want to.","topics_json":"[\"zoning\"]","vector_id":"vec_seg_101555_20","created_at":"2026-10-31T08:14:48Z","speaker_name":"Sal Leoni"},{"id":"seg_101555_200","meeting_id":"101555","media_asset_id":"med_101555_ac2ca6ea8216c427","agenda_item_id":null,"speaker_id":"spk_101555_joseph_czerwinski","speaker_confidence":0.95,"start_sec":3737.45,"end_sec":3748.95,"text":"All right, um so uh is anybody else from uh the representing or not? All right, uh let's go on to public comment. If uh if anyone can come down, if you want to come down, state your name please.","topics_json":"[]","vector_id":"vec_seg_101555_200","created_at":"2026-10-31T08:14:49Z","speaker_name":"Joseph Czerwinski"},{"id":"seg_101555_201","meeting_id":"101555","media_asset_id":"med_101555_ac2ca6ea8216c427","agenda_item_id":null,"speaker_id":"off_roy_sudler_jr","speaker_confidence":1,"start_sec":3752.45,"end_sec":3878.95,"text":"Thank you very much for receiving me. I am Dr. Roy Sudler, Jr. I am the District 4 Councilman. Uh New Street, uh downtown Dover, the majority of downtown Dover is my district as you know. Thank you for your work that you do here. I concur with uh the sentiment of the committee. Um it's excellent work. I tip my hat off to you if I had a hat. Um I do believe that is very in you mind if I speak? It's very imperative that um the front sort of aligns with the back so that the community will feel that they weren't um give a perception that maybe they weren't felt as important as the other street. That's always been a concern and issue that New Street is always less important or less valued um than the other streets, and I know that is not the case here. I know the work that you all are doing is excellent. If you hear from me, it's it's good. I would just uh maybe recommend uh maybe like the the majority of of the committee has already expressed, maybe wrapping some of the uh the front decor to the back a little bit and maybe deleting um the the mirror component, because the first thing I think about is uh, \"Are we going to watch the NFL football game on the big screen?\" I'm sure they probably would like that. It would be a whole party. What, you know, I'm sure they would like that, but that's the first thing, like at the rail house, you know. But um, it's it's beautiful. I support all of the improvement, and I just want to say thank you, and thank you uh to the committee and commission for what you're doing. I appreciate it, and uh thank you for your your consideration, and you know, the the constituents uh in that area. I yield. Thank you for recognizing me. I yield. I support uh the initiative, but if we can make some adjustments according to um amendment according to the commission, I'm in agreement with that as one of three of the councilpersons that represent that district. Thank you for your work. I yield.","topics_json":"[\"zoning\",\"business\"]","vector_id":"vec_seg_101555_201","created_at":"2026-10-31T08:14:49Z","speaker_name":"Roy Sudler, Jr."},{"id":"seg_101555_202","meeting_id":"101555","media_asset_id":"med_101555_ac2ca6ea8216c427","agenda_item_id":null,"speaker_id":"spk_101555_joseph_czerwinski","speaker_confidence":0.95,"start_sec":3879.95,"end_sec":3879.95,"text":"All right. Thank you very much. Uh do we have anybody else here that would wish to come up and speak?","topics_json":"[]","vector_id":"vec_seg_101555_202","created_at":"2026-10-31T08:14:49Z","speaker_name":"Joseph Czerwinski"},{"id":"seg_101555_203","meeting_id":"101555","media_asset_id":"med_101555_ac2ca6ea8216c427","agenda_item_id":null,"speaker_id":"spk_101555_dawn_melson_williams","speaker_confidence":0.95,"start_sec":3888.45,"end_sec":3913.95,"text":"Chair, I don't necessarily see anyone in the audience here. This is Dawn with the Planning Office. Um I do want to uh check in with um the couple of representatives of the project team that we um that we have here that have joined us online, um with uh Christopher from uh NORR if there's anything else, and then um Leslie with uh Mosaic Development.","topics_json":"[\"zoning\"]","vector_id":"vec_seg_101555_203","created_at":"2026-10-31T08:14:49Z","speaker_name":"Dawn Melson-Williams"},{"id":"seg_101555_204","meeting_id":"101555","media_asset_id":"med_101555_ac2ca6ea8216c427","agenda_item_id":null,"speaker_id":"spk_101555_leslie_smallwood_lewis","speaker_confidence":0.95,"start_sec":3918.45,"end_sec":3922.75,"text":"I would like to say something, but I didn't know if Chris was going to say something first.","topics_json":"[]","vector_id":"vec_seg_101555_204","created_at":"2026-10-31T08:14:49Z","speaker_name":"Leslie Smallwood-Lewis"},{"id":"seg_101555_205","meeting_id":"101555","media_asset_id":"med_101555_ac2ca6ea8216c427","agenda_item_id":null,"speaker_id":"spk_101555_dawn_melson_williams","speaker_confidence":0.95,"start_sec":3923.95,"end_sec":3933.75,"text":"So, Leslie, I did not see him unmute, so let's go ahead and start with you, if you'll uh formally introduce yourself for the record and um then uh share your thoughts.","topics_json":"[]","vector_id":"vec_seg_101555_205","created_at":"2026-10-31T08:14:49Z","speaker_name":"Dawn Melson-Williams"},{"id":"seg_101555_206","meeting_id":"101555","media_asset_id":"med_101555_ac2ca6ea8216c427","agenda_item_id":null,"speaker_id":"spk_101555_leslie_smallwood_lewis","speaker_confidence":0.95,"start_sec":3933.95,"end_sec":4020.95,"text":"Absolutely. My name is Leslie Smallwood-Lewis. I'm from Mosaic Development Partners JV. We are uh the developer on the project and have been working very closely with DDP to bring what we think and hope is a project that we can all be proud of. Appreciate everyone's comments. I definitely just want to relay that we've been very conscious and aware that there needs to be uh an equal approach between Governors and New Street. I mean from the very beginning when we started this project, we knew that New Street It had this project had to have two front doors. Um so I understand comments, I understand, you know, the the the wall that you want us to focus on, but I did want to make sure that it was placed on the record that we completely understand uh the importance of New Street, um and we will make the appropriate tweaks to the project based on your comments. Um I do think that or I appreciate everyone's comments on our Governors Street facade. We're we're very excited about how this is uh really come together um with our new architect, with our comments, and then bringing it to life. So we will make sure that in earnest we take your comments back and and make some mod- make some modifications to the New Street side.","topics_json":"[\"zoning\",\"business\"]","vector_id":"vec_seg_101555_206","created_at":"2026-10-31T08:14:49Z","speaker_name":"Leslie Smallwood-Lewis"},{"id":"seg_101555_207","meeting_id":"101555","media_asset_id":"med_101555_ac2ca6ea8216c427","agenda_item_id":null,"speaker_id":"spk_101555_dawn_melson_williams","speaker_confidence":0.95,"start_sec":4027.95,"end_sec":4039.95,"text":"All right, thank you, Leslie. Um is there any other comments from uh Chris, who's part of the the NORR team, or was Sean speaking on behalf of your group?","topics_json":"[]","vector_id":"vec_seg_101555_207","created_at":"2026-10-31T08:14:49Z","speaker_name":"Dawn Melson-Williams"},{"id":"seg_101555_208","meeting_id":"101555","media_asset_id":"med_101555_ac2ca6ea8216c427","agenda_item_id":null,"speaker_id":"spk_101555_christopher","speaker_confidence":0.9,"start_sec":4040.95,"end_sec":4044.45,"text":"Sean was speaking on I have no follow-up comments.","topics_json":"[]","vector_id":"vec_seg_101555_208","created_at":"2026-10-31T08:14:49Z","speaker_name":null},{"id":"seg_101555_209","meeting_id":"101555","media_asset_id":"med_101555_ac2ca6ea8216c427","agenda_item_id":null,"speaker_id":"spk_101555_dawn_melson_williams","speaker_confidence":0.95,"start_sec":4044.55,"end_sec":4058.95,"text":"Okay. Thank you, Christopher. Uh so, Mr. Chair, that is um all of the uh online participants. Um the other attendee was just observing our proceedings um this afternoon.","topics_json":"[]","vector_id":"vec_seg_101555_209","created_at":"2026-10-31T08:14:49Z","speaker_name":"Dawn Melson-Williams"},{"id":"seg_101555_21","meeting_id":"101555","media_asset_id":"med_101555_ac2ca6ea8216c427","agenda_item_id":null,"speaker_id":"spk_101555_sal_leoni","speaker_confidence":0.95,"start_sec":836.56,"end_sec":845.54,"text":"And also, Mr. John Buckalew is here from EIFS to ask, or answer, any questions you have about the product, the system itself, if you want to speak with him.","topics_json":"[\"zoning\"]","vector_id":"vec_seg_101555_21","created_at":"2026-10-31T08:14:48Z","speaker_name":"Sal Leoni"},{"id":"seg_101555_210","meeting_id":"101555","media_asset_id":"med_101555_ac2ca6ea8216c427","agenda_item_id":null,"speaker_id":"spk_101555_joseph_czerwinski","speaker_confidence":0.95,"start_sec":4059.95,"end_sec":4061.75,"text":"All right. Thank you. Uh, Ms. Baker?","topics_json":"[]","vector_id":"vec_seg_101555_210","created_at":"2026-10-31T08:14:49Z","speaker_name":"Joseph Czerwinski"},{"id":"seg_101555_211","meeting_id":"101555","media_asset_id":"med_101555_ac2ca6ea8216c427","agenda_item_id":null,"speaker_id":"spk_101555_kathleen_baker","speaker_confidence":0.95,"start_sec":4062.45,"end_sec":4095.45,"text":"Thank you, Mr. Chairman. Uh I I uh was seeking uh to find 105, 111, and 115 South New Street um in the last several days, because they are cited as properties uh that might be um uh you know, uh used as small businesses. I could not see addresses on New Street for those. Can someone can someone illustrate, amplify, and just uh fill in this these blanks here?","topics_json":"[\"business\",\"zoning\"]","vector_id":"vec_seg_101555_211","created_at":"2026-10-31T08:14:49Z","speaker_name":"Kathleen Baker"},{"id":"seg_101555_212","meeting_id":"101555","media_asset_id":"med_101555_ac2ca6ea8216c427","agenda_item_id":null,"speaker_id":"spk_101555_kathleen_baker","speaker_confidence":0.95,"start_sec":4095.95,"end_sec":4105.95,"text":"105, 111, and 115 South New are addresses that are cited um as uh improvements on adjacent related properties.","topics_json":"[\"zoning\"]","vector_id":"vec_seg_101555_212","created_at":"2026-10-31T08:14:49Z","speaker_name":"Kathleen Baker"},{"id":"seg_101555_213","meeting_id":"101555","media_asset_id":"med_101555_ac2ca6ea8216c427","agenda_item_id":null,"speaker_id":"spk_101555_diane_laird","speaker_confidence":0.95,"start_sec":4106.45,"end_sec":4125.95,"text":"Yes. That That Diane Laird, DDP. Um that is the outdoor recreational area for the day care and uh the public, which the public will also have access at certain hours. So so it's not built. It's not retail. It's playground and recreational area.","topics_json":"[\"zoning\"]","vector_id":"vec_seg_101555_213","created_at":"2026-10-31T08:14:49Z","speaker_name":"Diane Laird"},{"id":"seg_101555_214","meeting_id":"101555","media_asset_id":"med_101555_ac2ca6ea8216c427","agenda_item_id":null,"speaker_id":"spk_101555_kathleen_baker","speaker_confidence":0.95,"start_sec":4125.95,"end_sec":4127.45,"text":"Oh, thank you very much.","topics_json":"[]","vector_id":"vec_seg_101555_214","created_at":"2026-10-31T08:14:49Z","speaker_name":"Kathleen Baker"},{"id":"seg_101555_215","meeting_id":"101555","media_asset_id":"med_101555_ac2ca6ea8216c427","agenda_item_id":null,"speaker_id":"spk_101555_dawn_melson_williams","speaker_confidence":0.95,"start_sec":4127.95,"end_sec":4161.95,"text":"Yeah, so this is Dawn with the Planning Office. If we go to um one of the site drawings, um on the upper left corner there uh is where you see that that play space. Um I don't believe there's any buildings uh still standing in those areas. Those three properties are not within the historic district boundary, um and, but they are part of the overall project site and include some of those recreational amenities and uh service-related things with the uh child day care facility.","topics_json":"[\"zoning\"]","vector_id":"vec_seg_101555_215","created_at":"2026-10-31T08:14:49Z","speaker_name":"Dawn Melson-Williams"},{"id":"seg_101555_216","meeting_id":"101555","media_asset_id":"med_101555_ac2ca6ea8216c427","agenda_item_id":null,"speaker_id":"spk_101555_joseph_czerwinski","speaker_confidence":0.95,"start_sec":4163.95,"end_sec":4195.45,"text":"All right, so comments. I think we're all kind of on the same page on this one. Um definitely want to see improvements on the rear facade on the New Street side of this building. Um I know that's probably going to add cost to it to the project, but I think it's worth the toil to make sure that that building who is going to be nestled along of uh that, you know, that neighborhood is representing the best of the intents, I guess, uh for the neighborhood itself.","topics_json":"[\"zoning\"]","vector_id":"vec_seg_101555_216","created_at":"2026-10-31T08:14:49Z","speaker_name":"Joseph Czerwinski"},{"id":"seg_101555_217","meeting_id":"101555","media_asset_id":"med_101555_ac2ca6ea8216c427","agenda_item_id":null,"speaker_id":"spk_101555_kathleen_baker","speaker_confidence":0.95,"start_sec":4195.95,"end_sec":4216.75,"text":"But I I think that um we want the neighborhood to be as proud of that side of the building as the rest of of everybody is as proud of the front. So yes, I think we need to see see what the proposed improvements would be.","topics_json":"[\"zoning\"]","vector_id":"vec_seg_101555_217","created_at":"2026-10-31T08:14:49Z","speaker_name":"Kathleen Baker"},{"id":"seg_101555_218","meeting_id":"101555","media_asset_id":"med_101555_ac2ca6ea8216c427","agenda_item_id":null,"speaker_id":"spk_101555_joseph_czerwinski","speaker_confidence":0.95,"start_sec":4217.45,"end_sec":4219.45,"text":"Yeah, I gotcha.","topics_json":"[]","vector_id":"vec_seg_101555_218","created_at":"2026-10-31T08:14:49Z","speaker_name":"Joseph Czerwinski"},{"id":"seg_101555_219","meeting_id":"101555","media_asset_id":"med_101555_ac2ca6ea8216c427","agenda_item_id":null,"speaker_id":"spk_101555_joseph_czerwinski","speaker_confidence":0.95,"start_sec":4221.95,"end_sec":4230.45,"text":"Uh so uh do I have uh uh forward a motion? And I can go ahead with the motion, I guess.","topics_json":"[]","vector_id":"vec_seg_101555_219","created_at":"2026-10-31T08:14:49Z","speaker_name":"Joseph Czerwinski"},{"id":"seg_101555_22","meeting_id":"101555","media_asset_id":"med_101555_ac2ca6ea8216c427","agenda_item_id":null,"speaker_id":"spk_101555_dawn_melson_williams","speaker_confidence":0.95,"start_sec":860.6,"end_sec":870.36,"text":"Okay. So, Sal is walking around the sample, um, and I think the, uh, manufacturer rep, we'll call you, and Yep.","topics_json":"[]","vector_id":"vec_seg_101555_22","created_at":"2026-10-31T08:14:48Z","speaker_name":"Dawn Melson-Williams"},{"id":"seg_101555_220","meeting_id":"101555","media_asset_id":"med_101555_ac2ca6ea8216c427","agenda_item_id":null,"speaker_id":"spk_101555_joseph_czerwinski","speaker_confidence":0.95,"start_sec":4234.45,"end_sec":4274.95,"text":"I'd like to forward uh the motion that we deny uh the architectural review certification for HI-25-02 revised and S-25-11 revised, the Governors mixed-use building at 120 South Governors Avenue, requesting a uh architectural uh redesign uh on the rear elevation facing New Street that would better reflect uh what is showing on Governors, um and then uh have that re- uh proposed or presented to the Historic District Commission meeting at a future or District Commission at a future meeting.","topics_json":"[\"zoning\"]","vector_id":"vec_seg_101555_220","created_at":"2026-10-31T08:14:49Z","speaker_name":"Joseph Czerwinski"},{"id":"seg_101555_221","meeting_id":"101555","media_asset_id":"med_101555_ac2ca6ea8216c427","agenda_item_id":null,"speaker_id":"spk_101555_kathleen_baker","speaker_confidence":0.95,"start_sec":4275.95,"end_sec":4277.15,"text":"I second.","topics_json":"[]","vector_id":"vec_seg_101555_221","created_at":"2026-10-31T08:14:49Z","speaker_name":"Kathleen Baker"},{"id":"seg_101555_222","meeting_id":"101555","media_asset_id":"med_101555_ac2ca6ea8216c427","agenda_item_id":null,"speaker_id":"spk_101555_joseph_czerwinski","speaker_confidence":0.95,"start_sec":4277.95,"end_sec":4282.45,"text":"All in favor? Aye. All against?","topics_json":"[]","vector_id":"vec_seg_101555_222","created_at":"2026-10-31T08:14:49Z","speaker_name":"Joseph Czerwinski"},{"id":"seg_101555_223","meeting_id":"101555","media_asset_id":"med_101555_ac2ca6ea8216c427","agenda_item_id":null,"speaker_id":"spk_101555_dawn_melson_williams","speaker_confidence":0.95,"start_sec":4283.95,"end_sec":4315.95,"text":"Again, I will ask that since that was conducted via voice vote, that uh you feel that your reasons for um making that request for redesign of the uh New Street facade or side of the building at the present time, um that that redesign is warranted and should be returned to you um before making the final decision on the architecture review certificate for the revision.","topics_json":"[\"zoning\"]","vector_id":"vec_seg_101555_223","created_at":"2026-10-31T08:14:49Z","speaker_name":"Dawn Melson-Williams"},{"id":"seg_101555_224","meeting_id":"101555","media_asset_id":"med_101555_ac2ca6ea8216c427","agenda_item_id":null,"speaker_id":"spk_101555_joseph_czerwinski","speaker_confidence":0.95,"start_sec":4322.95,"end_sec":4330.45,"text":"Well, I, Mr. Czerwinski, have uh voted with the information that was presented here at the uh meeting.","topics_json":"[\"zoning\"]","vector_id":"vec_seg_101555_224","created_at":"2026-10-31T08:14:49Z","speaker_name":"Joseph Czerwinski"},{"id":"seg_101555_225","meeting_id":"101555","media_asset_id":"med_101555_ac2ca6ea8216c427","agenda_item_id":null,"speaker_id":"spk_101555_ellen_richardson","speaker_confidence":0.95,"start_sec":4330.95,"end_sec":4333.95,"text":"Ellen Richardson agrees.","topics_json":"[\"zoning\"]","vector_id":"vec_seg_101555_225","created_at":"2026-10-31T08:14:49Z","speaker_name":"Ellen Richardson"},{"id":"seg_101555_226","meeting_id":"101555","media_asset_id":"med_101555_ac2ca6ea8216c427","agenda_item_id":null,"speaker_id":"spk_101555_kathleen_baker","speaker_confidence":0.95,"start_sec":4334.45,"end_sec":4337.45,"text":"As does Kathleen Baker.","topics_json":"[\"zoning\"]","vector_id":"vec_seg_101555_226","created_at":"2026-10-31T08:14:49Z","speaker_name":"Kathleen Baker"},{"id":"seg_101555_227","meeting_id":"101555","media_asset_id":"med_101555_ac2ca6ea8216c427","agenda_item_id":null,"speaker_id":"spk_101555_ann_horsey","speaker_confidence":0.95,"start_sec":4337.95,"end_sec":4340.45,"text":"Ann Horsey does, too.","topics_json":"[\"zoning\"]","vector_id":"vec_seg_101555_227","created_at":"2026-10-31T08:14:49Z","speaker_name":"Ann Horsey"},{"id":"seg_101555_228","meeting_id":"101555","media_asset_id":"med_101555_ac2ca6ea8216c427","agenda_item_id":null,"speaker_id":"spk_101555_dawn_melson_williams","speaker_confidence":0.95,"start_sec":4343.95,"end_sec":4386.95,"text":"So So technically, um this is scheduled for the historic for the Planning Commission meeting on Monday. Um we will report their your recommendation um to the the Planning Commission, but I think the applicant has certainly heard you today, and my guess is will be working diligently. Um they can coordinate with staff about getting information back um before this commission at a at a future meeting. Um but we'll The Planning Commission has received everything that you have, and um we will report what action um that you took today uh regarding this.","topics_json":"[\"zoning\"]","vector_id":"vec_seg_101555_228","created_at":"2026-10-31T08:14:49Z","speaker_name":"Dawn Melson-Williams"},{"id":"seg_101555_229","meeting_id":"101555","media_asset_id":"med_101555_ac2ca6ea8216c427","agenda_item_id":null,"speaker_id":"spk_101555_joseph_czerwinski","speaker_confidence":0.95,"start_sec":4387.95,"end_sec":4394.45,"text":"Thank you very much, everybody. Appreciate it. Uh moving on to old business and the Certified Local Government program.","topics_json":"[]","vector_id":"vec_seg_101555_229","created_at":"2026-10-31T08:14:49Z","speaker_name":"Joseph Czerwinski"},{"id":"seg_101555_23","meeting_id":"101555","media_asset_id":"med_101555_ac2ca6ea8216c427","agenda_item_id":null,"speaker_id":"spk_101555_chair","speaker_confidence":0.9,"start_sec":870.36,"end_sec":871.95,"text":"Yeah, if you can introduce yourself for the record.","topics_json":"[]","vector_id":"vec_seg_101555_23","created_at":"2026-10-31T08:14:48Z","speaker_name":null},{"id":"seg_101555_230","meeting_id":"101555","media_asset_id":"med_101555_ac2ca6ea8216c427","agenda_item_id":null,"speaker_id":"spk_101555_dawn_melson_williams","speaker_confidence":0.95,"start_sec":4395.95,"end_sec":4519.94,"text":"Uh so, um the for the Certified Local Government program, no um additional information at at this point in time. Um I will move on to the implementation of the 2019 comprehensive plan. Um you have had heard me speak before about the SJR 8, um the uh Senate Joint Resolution 8, which is looking at housing and some land use reform. Um that project with the consultant is is moving along. Um they have issued a draft of a what is a regulatory analysis of basically looking at the city's um housing regulations, our zoning ordinance when it comes to construction of dwelling units, and certain um perhaps changes that could be brought forth for um our housing regulations uh to increase housing and other opportunities related to that. Uh the uh consultant did make a presentation to the Council Committee of the Whole um at their meeting on Tuesday of this week. Uh they will also be presenting to the Planning Commission information on um on the program to date. Uh if you're interested in that information, it is posted as part of the meeting packet for the Planning Commission. There's a series of slides, and then the regulatory analysis report um that you can reference. Uh if you can't find that, uh planning staff can certainly um get that to you. 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We will forward that onto you all cuz I know you live in","topics_json":"[]","vector_id":"vec_seg_101555_233","created_at":"2026-10-31T08:14:49Z","speaker_name":"Dawn Melson-Williams"},{"id":"seg_101555_234","meeting_id":"101555","media_asset_id":"med_101555_ac2ca6ea8216c427","agenda_item_id":null,"speaker_id":"spk_101555_dawn_melson_williams","speaker_confidence":0.95,"start_sec":4540.32,"end_sec":4543.66,"text":"downtown and of course that is an area that they've looked at,","topics_json":"[]","vector_id":"vec_seg_101555_234","created_at":"2026-10-31T08:14:49Z","speaker_name":"Dawn Melson-Williams"},{"id":"seg_101555_235","meeting_id":"101555","media_asset_id":"med_101555_ac2ca6ea8216c427","agenda_item_id":null,"speaker_id":"spk_101555_dawn_melson_williams","speaker_confidence":0.95,"start_sec":4544.6,"end_sec":4551.42,"text":"you know, what are options and opportunities that may be able to be put forth related to housing efforts here in, in Dover.","topics_json":"[\"housing\"]","vector_id":"vec_seg_101555_235","created_at":"2026-10-31T08:14:49Z","speaker_name":"Dawn Melson-Williams"},{"id":"seg_101555_236","meeting_id":"101555","media_asset_id":"med_101555_ac2ca6ea8216c427","agenda_item_id":null,"speaker_id":"spk_101555_dawn_melson_williams","speaker_confidence":0.95,"start_sec":4552.22,"end_sec":4561.28,"text":"Nothing has been decided as to drafting ordinances, making changes there. 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Um so if you look at the planning commission um meeting agenda for Monday uh September 21st uh it's uh towards the end of their agenda.","topics_json":"[\"zoning\",\"housing\"]","vector_id":"vec_seg_101555_241","created_at":"2026-10-31T08:14:49Z","speaker_name":"Dawn Melson-Williams"},{"id":"seg_101555_242","meeting_id":"101555","media_asset_id":"med_101555_ac2ca6ea8216c427","agenda_item_id":null,"speaker_id":"spk_101555_dawn_melson_williams","speaker_confidence":0.95,"start_sec":4618.73,"end_sec":4631.57,"text":"Um there is a the kind of series of um slides that will be presented by the consultant, gives a lot of housing data. 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Um, and so if, uh, we got the public, is this a public comments opportunity that's, pops up here?","topics_json":"[]","vector_id":"vec_seg_101555_245","created_at":"2026-10-31T08:14:49Z","speaker_name":null},{"id":"seg_101555_246","meeting_id":"101555","media_asset_id":"med_101555_ac2ca6ea8216c427","agenda_item_id":null,"speaker_id":"spk_101555_dawn_melson_williams","speaker_confidence":0.95,"start_sec":4679.52,"end_sec":4701.06,"text":"Yes, Mr. Chair. So you have an opportunity um for members of the public to provide comments uh to the Historic District Commission that are not specifically related to applications that had public hearings. However, there are no additional members of the public in the room uh nor online at this point in time. Uh so I don't see any members of the public providing that opportunity, or taking advantage of that opportunity this afternoon or evening.","topics_json":"[]","vector_id":"vec_seg_101555_246","created_at":"2026-10-31T08:14:49Z","speaker_name":"Dawn Melson-Williams"},{"id":"seg_101555_247","meeting_id":"101555","media_asset_id":"med_101555_ac2ca6ea8216c427","agenda_item_id":null,"speaker_id":"spk_101555_chair","speaker_confidence":0.9,"start_sec":4701.49,"end_sec":4703.31,"text":"All right. Thank you. Can we get a motion to adjourn?","topics_json":"[]","vector_id":"vec_seg_101555_247","created_at":"2026-10-31T08:14:49Z","speaker_name":null},{"id":"seg_101555_248","meeting_id":"101555","media_asset_id":"med_101555_ac2ca6ea8216c427","agenda_item_id":null,"speaker_id":"spk_101555_commission_member","speaker_confidence":0.9,"start_sec":4704.32,"end_sec":4705.19,"text":"Moved to adjourn.","topics_json":"[]","vector_id":"vec_seg_101555_248","created_at":"2026-10-31T08:14:49Z","speaker_name":null},{"id":"seg_101555_249","meeting_id":"101555","media_asset_id":"med_101555_ac2ca6ea8216c427","agenda_item_id":null,"speaker_id":"spk_101555_commission_member_2","speaker_confidence":0.9,"start_sec":4705.63,"end_sec":4706.28,"text":"Second.","topics_json":"[]","vector_id":"vec_seg_101555_249","created_at":"2026-10-31T08:14:49Z","speaker_name":null},{"id":"seg_101555_25","meeting_id":"101555","media_asset_id":"med_101555_ac2ca6ea8216c427","agenda_item_id":null,"speaker_id":"spk_101555_female_commissioner_1","speaker_confidence":0.9,"start_sec":894.49,"end_sec":903.99,"text":"I apologize, Sal. 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So, uh it is shown on that image. So, and I think they've the applicant has recognized that the the intent to um replicate that.","topics_json":"[\"zoning\"]","vector_id":"vec_seg_101555_30","created_at":"2026-10-31T08:14:48Z","speaker_name":"Dawn Melson-Williams"},{"id":"seg_101555_31","meeting_id":"101555","media_asset_id":"med_101555_ac2ca6ea8216c427","agenda_item_id":null,"speaker_id":"spk_101555_male_speaker","speaker_confidence":0.7,"start_sec":936.27,"end_sec":964.58,"text":"Does anybody have any questions about the material? I know you're if you wanted to talk a little bit about the material itself or the sample that you showed me with the uh","topics_json":"[\"zoning\"]","vector_id":"vec_seg_101555_31","created_at":"2026-10-31T08:14:48Z","speaker_name":null},{"id":"seg_101555_32","meeting_id":"101555","media_asset_id":"med_101555_ac2ca6ea8216c427","agenda_item_id":null,"speaker_id":"spk_101555_male_speaker","speaker_confidence":0.8,"start_sec":964.58,"end_sec":994.33,"text":"Sure. When you first spoke, um it was about weight. So, I'll mention about weight um and how an EIFS system um is far lighter than a traditional brick system. Where a traditional brick system is almost 50 lb per square foot uh, the EIFS system, which comprises over top of a sheathing, and that sheathing can be wood, or a gypsum-based sheathing, or even, you know, concrete or cementitious, uh has an air and vapor barrier, and then Styrofoam is glued with an adhesive in a vertical-notch ribbon configuration to give you a moisture drainage capability, all right? And then a lamina goes on top of it, which is base coat and mesh to give it strength. The decorative aspect of this project is to put in a what's known as a template to give you a brick veneer, which is what you have here in this sample.","topics_json":"[\"zoning\"]","vector_id":"vec_seg_101555_32","created_at":"2026-10-31T08:14:48Z","speaker_name":null},{"id":"seg_101555_33","meeting_id":"101555","media_asset_id":"med_101555_ac2ca6ea8216c427","agenda_item_id":null,"speaker_id":"spk_101555_male_speaker","speaker_confidence":0.8,"start_sec":994.69,"end_sec":1027.93,"text":"So, from the layman's point of view, from a distance, you're going to see what looks really like brick until you kind of tap on it. Now, this only weighs 2 1/2 lb per square foot. So, it's going to take a lot of pressure off of the structural integrity of the building. Also save a lot of money with concrete. Traditional brick systems that are available out there today, once you go past the second floor, you've got a lot of metal, a lot of other bells and whistles whistles. Uh they are considered not continuous insulation as well. This is CI, which means when you're cold, what do you do? You put a sweater on. This is like a sweater for the building. So the HVAC, heating and air throughout the course of the year will be reduced 30% to 40%.","topics_json":"[\"zoning\"]","vector_id":"vec_seg_101555_33","created_at":"2026-10-31T08:14:48Z","speaker_name":null},{"id":"seg_101555_34","meeting_id":"101555","media_asset_id":"med_101555_ac2ca6ea8216c427","agenda_item_id":null,"speaker_id":"spk_101555_female_speaker","speaker_confidence":0.8,"start_sec":1044.1,"end_sec":1044.58,"text":"Huh.","topics_json":"[]","vector_id":"vec_seg_101555_34","created_at":"2026-10-31T08:14:48Z","speaker_name":null},{"id":"seg_101555_35","meeting_id":"101555","media_asset_id":"med_101555_ac2ca6ea8216c427","agenda_item_id":null,"speaker_id":"spk_101555_female_speaker","speaker_confidence":0.8,"start_sec":1045.18,"end_sec":1047.28,"text":"Now, is there a guarantee of how long that will last?","topics_json":"[\"zoning\"]","vector_id":"vec_seg_101555_35","created_at":"2026-10-31T08:14:48Z","speaker_name":null},{"id":"seg_101555_36","meeting_id":"101555","media_asset_id":"med_101555_ac2ca6ea8216c427","agenda_item_id":null,"speaker_id":"spk_101555_male_speaker","speaker_confidence":0.8,"start_sec":1047.4,"end_sec":1096.39,"text":"Yes. There's uh an applicator that'll be awarded the project through FAD, which will be recognized by Dryvit to be able to install the product as per Dryvit's recommended installation procedures and guidelines. There is a 10-year warranty associated with that application, which is a performance warranty, which means if anything is found to be deficient in the Dryvit product, and it does cause damage to the building, Dryvit will back that up from the metal stud or wood stud, all the way out to the finish again. It will be a labor and material warranty. So, Dryvit does stand behind this EIFS system, as applied to this job and any other job as well.","topics_json":"[\"zoning\"]","vector_id":"vec_seg_101555_36","created_at":"2026-10-31T08:14:49Z","speaker_name":null},{"id":"seg_101555_37","meeting_id":"101555","media_asset_id":"med_101555_ac2ca6ea8216c427","agenda_item_id":null,"speaker_id":"spk_101555_female_speaker","speaker_confidence":0.8,"start_sec":1097.05,"end_sec":1099.03,"text":"So what will the building look like 50 years from now?","topics_json":"[\"zoning\"]","vector_id":"vec_seg_101555_37","created_at":"2026-10-31T08:14:49Z","speaker_name":null},{"id":"seg_101555_38","meeting_id":"101555","media_asset_id":"med_101555_ac2ca6ea8216c427","agenda_item_id":null,"speaker_id":"spk_101555_male_speaker","speaker_confidence":0.8,"start_sec":1099.45,"end_sec":1144.59,"text":"There's very little maintenance, okay? Also people worry about fading, okay? We have what's known as StratoTone pigments that go into the finish, which reduce the fading aspect of it. The only um maintenance for an EIFS system generally is the sealants and caulking around windows and doors, which would be typical in pretty much any type of a cladding system out there, whether it be brick, HardiePlank, Nichiha, cementitious siding, or some type of metal pan. Uh so, you know, you can get 30 to 40 years of very good use out of an EIFS system, with very little touch points as the years go on.","topics_json":"[\"zoning\"]","vector_id":"vec_seg_101555_38","created_at":"2026-10-31T08:14:49Z","speaker_name":null},{"id":"seg_101555_39","meeting_id":"101555","media_asset_id":"med_101555_ac2ca6ea8216c427","agenda_item_id":null,"speaker_id":"spk_101555_female_speaker","speaker_confidence":0.8,"start_sec":1144.95,"end_sec":1145.55,"text":"All right, thank you.","topics_json":"[]","vector_id":"vec_seg_101555_39","created_at":"2026-10-31T08:14:49Z","speaker_name":null},{"id":"seg_101555_4","meeting_id":"101555","media_asset_id":"med_101555_ac2ca6ea8216c427","agenda_item_id":null,"speaker_id":"spk_101555_dawn_melson_williams","speaker_confidence":0.95,"start_sec":40.54,"end_sec":109.84,"text":"All right. Uh, so today we actually have a, one of those projects that is, uh, revisiting you, and, um, this is HI-25-01. It's actually revision number two, um, focused on the Old Post at 55 Loockerman Plaza. Um, most of us know it as the old Dover post office site, located just east of, um, east of here. Uh, this property, um, previously, initially appeared before the Historic District Commission, um, for a consideration of its architectural review certification, um, back in February of 2025.","topics_json":"[\"zoning\"]","vector_id":"vec_seg_101555_4","created_at":"2026-10-31T08:14:48Z","speaker_name":"Dawn Melson-Williams"},{"id":"seg_101555_40","meeting_id":"101555","media_asset_id":"med_101555_ac2ca6ea8216c427","agenda_item_id":null,"speaker_id":"spk_101555_female_speaker","speaker_confidence":0.8,"start_sec":1145.68,"end_sec":1150.3,"text":"Yeah, I have a question on the how Are these sheets? Um how big are the sheets and how are they connected to each other?","topics_json":"[\"zoning\"]","vector_id":"vec_seg_101555_40","created_at":"2026-10-31T08:14:49Z","speaker_name":null},{"id":"seg_101555_41","meeting_id":"101555","media_asset_id":"med_101555_ac2ca6ea8216c427","agenda_item_id":null,"speaker_id":"spk_101555_male_speaker","speaker_confidence":0.8,"start_sec":1150.3,"end_sec":1219.12,"text":"Good question. The foam, the Styrofoam is an EPS Styrofoam, and it comes in various thicknesses and you get 3.85 R-value per inch, so 2 in is almost an R-value of 8. What's great about continuous insulation is that you're now going to calculate the true R-value of your wall assembly. So in other words, when you build a building, you have to put insulation in between the studs. When you put brick up, there's called a thermal break, which is at every stud line. So when you put a thermal device on that, you see where all the heat's coming out, obviously through the windows and fenestrations as well. But when you put an EIFS system on, like I said, it's like putting a sweater on when you're cold. All those studs are now covered, so you're saving all that energy back into the building as opposed to being sucked out. That's what EIFS does. The Styrofoam goes up in a running bond pattern, and it's 2 ft x 4 ft, and it goes lengthwise in a running bond pattern like brick. So that before the base coat's applied to it, you can see how that foam was put up, not straight on, okay? And also around windows and fenestrations, you don't you picture frame, okay, with this the Styrofoam to give it strength. So, and the actual strength of the system is the base coat and mesh along with the finish coat.","topics_json":"[\"zoning\"]","vector_id":"vec_seg_101555_41","created_at":"2026-10-31T08:14:49Z","speaker_name":null},{"id":"seg_101555_42","meeting_id":"101555","media_asset_id":"med_101555_ac2ca6ea8216c427","agenda_item_id":null,"speaker_id":"spk_101555_female_speaker","speaker_confidence":0.8,"start_sec":1219.79,"end_sec":1220.39,"text":"Okay, thank you.","topics_json":"[]","vector_id":"vec_seg_101555_42","created_at":"2026-10-31T08:14:49Z","speaker_name":null},{"id":"seg_101555_43","meeting_id":"101555","media_asset_id":"med_101555_ac2ca6ea8216c427","agenda_item_id":null,"speaker_id":"spk_101555_male_speaker","speaker_confidence":0.7,"start_sec":1229.04,"end_sec":1229.7,"text":"Hold on.","topics_json":"[]","vector_id":"vec_seg_101555_43","created_at":"2026-10-31T08:14:49Z","speaker_name":null},{"id":"seg_101555_44","meeting_id":"101555","media_asset_id":"med_101555_ac2ca6ea8216c427","agenda_item_id":null,"speaker_id":"spk_101555_dawn_melson_williams","speaker_confidence":0.9,"start_sec":1230.91,"end_sec":1235.41,"text":"We're going to bring the microphone to you so we capture it. That's okay. We don't have show and tell all the time, so.","topics_json":"[]","vector_id":"vec_seg_101555_44","created_at":"2026-10-31T08:14:49Z","speaker_name":"Dawn Melson-Williams"},{"id":"seg_101555_45","meeting_id":"101555","media_asset_id":"med_101555_ac2ca6ea8216c427","agenda_item_id":null,"speaker_id":"spk_101555_male_speaker","speaker_confidence":0.8,"start_sec":1235.41,"end_sec":1235.95,"text":"Yes, absolutely.","topics_json":"[]","vector_id":"vec_seg_101555_45","created_at":"2026-10-31T08:14:49Z","speaker_name":null},{"id":"seg_101555_46","meeting_id":"101555","media_asset_id":"med_101555_ac2ca6ea8216c427","agenda_item_id":null,"speaker_id":"spk_101555_male_speaker","speaker_confidence":0.8,"start_sec":1236.37,"end_sec":1292.09,"text":"Okay. So, what you have is just like I said, it's your air and vapor barrier for the windows and doors, and then this is for the field, okay? This is a, like I said, an air and vapor barrier. It's not waterproofing. Then you have the foam, which is adhesively attached in a vertical-notch ribbon configuration to give you a drainage plane in case incidental moisture gets back behind the system, it drains out. Here is your EPS foam, and then you have what's known as a standard mesh. This is heavy-duty mesh for areas that may be high high traffic. It's optional, but it's here on the sample to show you that in case a golf ball hits it, it'll pretty much be, you know, resistant to that, or a shopping cart, or some type of light damage uh caused by a human being. And this is the finish coat, color and texture to be determined, which is what that aesthetic feature will be called custom brick. In that color to emulate the color of the original bricks on the existing building.","topics_json":"[\"zoning\"]","vector_id":"vec_seg_101555_46","created_at":"2026-10-31T08:14:49Z","speaker_name":null},{"id":"seg_101555_47","meeting_id":"101555","media_asset_id":"med_101555_ac2ca6ea8216c427","agenda_item_id":null,"speaker_id":"spk_101555_female_speaker","speaker_confidence":0.8,"start_sec":1292.63,"end_sec":1296.36,"text":"And my my question, and this is really crazy, suppose somebody shoots a bullet into that?","topics_json":"[\"public_safety\"]","vector_id":"vec_seg_101555_47","created_at":"2026-10-31T08:14:49Z","speaker_name":null},{"id":"seg_101555_48","meeting_id":"101555","media_asset_id":"med_101555_ac2ca6ea8216c427","agenda_item_id":null,"speaker_id":"spk_101555_male_speaker","speaker_confidence":0.8,"start_sec":1296.72,"end_sec":1299.12,"text":"It's going to be penetrated. Just like you would penetrate a brick.","topics_json":"[\"public_safety\"]","vector_id":"vec_seg_101555_48","created_at":"2026-10-31T08:14:49Z","speaker_name":null},{"id":"seg_101555_49","meeting_id":"101555","media_asset_id":"med_101555_ac2ca6ea8216c427","agenda_item_id":null,"speaker_id":"spk_101555_female_speaker","speaker_confidence":0.8,"start_sec":1299.19,"end_sec":1299.49,"text":"All right.","topics_json":"[]","vector_id":"vec_seg_101555_49","created_at":"2026-10-31T08:14:49Z","speaker_name":null},{"id":"seg_101555_5","meeting_id":"101555","media_asset_id":"med_101555_ac2ca6ea8216c427","agenda_item_id":null,"speaker_id":"spk_101555_dawn_melson_williams","speaker_confidence":0.95,"start_sec":110.15,"end_sec":158.74,"text":"Uh, and then later that same year, in November of 2020, there was the, um, first revision to the, the project that made some changes to, uh, what was proposed at the, the rear of the building. Um, today it is revisiting, um, the Historic District Commission and will also be, uh, your recommendation forwarded to the Planning Commission for their meeting next week, um, regarding the most recent proposed change for the, the project. Um, as we, as we refer to it as, um, revised, uh, number, revision number two or revised number two, uh,","topics_json":"[\"zoning\"]","vector_id":"vec_seg_101555_5","created_at":"2026-10-31T08:14:48Z","speaker_name":"Dawn Melson-Williams"},{"id":"seg_101555_50","meeting_id":"101555","media_asset_id":"med_101555_ac2ca6ea8216c427","agenda_item_id":null,"speaker_id":"spk_101555_male_speaker","speaker_confidence":0.8,"start_sec":1299.43,"end_sec":1299.91,"text":"But it can be fixed.","topics_json":"[]","vector_id":"vec_seg_101555_50","created_at":"2026-10-31T08:14:49Z","speaker_name":null},{"id":"seg_101555_51","meeting_id":"101555","media_asset_id":"med_101555_ac2ca6ea8216c427","agenda_item_id":null,"speaker_id":"spk_101555_female_speaker","speaker_confidence":0.8,"start_sec":1299.97,"end_sec":1326.59,"text":"Okay. Would All right, you would have to replace the entire","topics_json":"[]","vector_id":"vec_seg_101555_51","created_at":"2026-10-31T08:14:49Z","speaker_name":null},{"id":"seg_101555_52","meeting_id":"101555","media_asset_id":"med_101555_ac2ca6ea8216c427","agenda_item_id":null,"speaker_id":"spk_101555_male_speaker","speaker_confidence":0.8,"start_sec":1326.71,"end_sec":1327.74,"text":"No, just the area that had the bullet hole in it.","topics_json":"[\"public_safety\"]","vector_id":"vec_seg_101555_52","created_at":"2026-10-31T08:14:49Z","speaker_name":null},{"id":"seg_101555_53","meeting_id":"101555","media_asset_id":"med_101555_ac2ca6ea8216c427","agenda_item_id":null,"speaker_id":"spk_101555_female_speaker","speaker_confidence":0.8,"start_sec":1327.92,"end_sec":1330.08,"text":"Okay. Because that's a possibility in Dover.","topics_json":"[\"public_safety\"]","vector_id":"vec_seg_101555_53","created_at":"2026-10-31T08:14:49Z","speaker_name":null},{"id":"seg_101555_54","meeting_id":"101555","media_asset_id":"med_101555_ac2ca6ea8216c427","agenda_item_id":null,"speaker_id":"spk_101555_male_speaker","speaker_confidence":0.8,"start_sec":1328.94,"end_sec":1329.36,"text":"In other words, if a truck","topics_json":"[]","vector_id":"vec_seg_101555_54","created_at":"2026-10-31T08:14:49Z","speaker_name":null},{"id":"seg_101555_55","meeting_id":"101555","media_asset_id":"med_101555_ac2ca6ea8216c427","agenda_item_id":null,"speaker_id":"spk_101555_male_speaker","speaker_confidence":0.8,"start_sec":1331.28,"end_sec":1338.49,"text":"Yeah, it can be fixed. So it is repairable. It's not permanent. In other words, you wouldn't have to tear off hundreds of square feet to fix a small dent in the in the EIFS. The contractor could come back, and will fix it.","topics_json":"[\"zoning\"]","vector_id":"vec_seg_101555_55","created_at":"2026-10-31T08:14:49Z","speaker_name":null},{"id":"seg_101555_56","meeting_id":"101555","media_asset_id":"med_101555_ac2ca6ea8216c427","agenda_item_id":null,"speaker_id":"spk_101555_female_speaker","speaker_confidence":0.8,"start_sec":1336.75,"end_sec":1337.17,"text":"Okay.","topics_json":"[]","vector_id":"vec_seg_101555_56","created_at":"2026-10-31T08:14:49Z","speaker_name":null},{"id":"seg_101555_57","meeting_id":"101555","media_asset_id":"med_101555_ac2ca6ea8216c427","agenda_item_id":null,"speaker_id":"spk_101555_female_speaker","speaker_confidence":0.8,"start_sec":1338.61,"end_sec":1339.34,"text":"All right. Thank you.","topics_json":"[]","vector_id":"vec_seg_101555_57","created_at":"2026-10-31T08:14:49Z","speaker_name":null},{"id":"seg_101555_58","meeting_id":"101555","media_asset_id":"med_101555_ac2ca6ea8216c427","agenda_item_id":null,"speaker_id":"spk_101555_female_speaker","speaker_confidence":0.8,"start_sec":1339.7,"end_sec":1344.02,"text":"I Then I have a question on the on the joints. When the 4-ft panels come together,","topics_json":"[\"zoning\"]","vector_id":"vec_seg_101555_58","created_at":"2026-10-31T08:14:49Z","speaker_name":null},{"id":"seg_101555_59","meeting_id":"101555","media_asset_id":"med_101555_ac2ca6ea8216c427","agenda_item_id":null,"speaker_id":"spk_101555_male_speaker","speaker_confidence":0.8,"start_sec":1344.02,"end_sec":1344.56,"text":"They butt together, yep.","topics_json":"[\"zoning\"]","vector_id":"vec_seg_101555_59","created_at":"2026-10-31T08:14:49Z","speaker_name":null},{"id":"seg_101555_6","meeting_id":"101555","media_asset_id":"med_101555_ac2ca6ea8216c427","agenda_item_id":null,"speaker_id":"spk_101555_dawn_melson_williams","speaker_confidence":0.95,"start_sec":159.08,"end_sec":204.64,"text":"what it does is propose demolition of the existing building in its entirety. Uh, the original, uh, proposal was to demolish the rear portion of the building, the kind of the warehouse, mail-sorting, um, portion of the building while retaining the front, um, segment of the building, uh, due to what the applicant has detailed out in, um, their uh, construction plans. Uh, they're now seeking to demolish the building in its entirety and then reconstruct the front portion of the building,","topics_json":"[\"zoning\"]","vector_id":"vec_seg_101555_6","created_at":"2026-10-31T08:14:48Z","speaker_name":"Dawn Melson-Williams"},{"id":"seg_101555_60","meeting_id":"101555","media_asset_id":"med_101555_ac2ca6ea8216c427","agenda_item_id":null,"speaker_id":"spk_101555_female_speaker","speaker_confidence":0.8,"start_sec":1344.69,"end_sec":1346.13,"text":"Right. Is there going to be a line there?","topics_json":"[\"zoning\"]","vector_id":"vec_seg_101555_60","created_at":"2026-10-31T08:14:49Z","speaker_name":null},{"id":"seg_101555_61","meeting_id":"101555","media_asset_id":"med_101555_ac2ca6ea8216c427","agenda_item_id":null,"speaker_id":"spk_101555_male_speaker","speaker_confidence":0.8,"start_sec":1346.37,"end_sec":1358.51,"text":"No, it's it's actually covered by the base coat and the mesh. So you won't see that, okay? And it's done in a running bond configuration because these systems are flexible, so it'll flex with the building as it flexes. But remember, it's also extremely light, so it's not going to It's not structural. It's considered an exterior cladding.","topics_json":"[\"zoning\"]","vector_id":"vec_seg_101555_61","created_at":"2026-10-31T08:14:49Z","speaker_name":null},{"id":"seg_101555_62","meeting_id":"101555","media_asset_id":"med_101555_ac2ca6ea8216c427","agenda_item_id":null,"speaker_id":"spk_101555_female_speaker","speaker_confidence":0.8,"start_sec":1349.61,"end_sec":1350.15,"text":"Okay.","topics_json":"[]","vector_id":"vec_seg_101555_62","created_at":"2026-10-31T08:14:49Z","speaker_name":null},{"id":"seg_101555_63","meeting_id":"101555","media_asset_id":"med_101555_ac2ca6ea8216c427","agenda_item_id":null,"speaker_id":"spk_101555_female_speaker","speaker_confidence":0.8,"start_sec":1358.87,"end_sec":1359.65,"text":"Okay. Thank you.","topics_json":"[]","vector_id":"vec_seg_101555_63","created_at":"2026-10-31T08:14:49Z","speaker_name":null},{"id":"seg_101555_64","meeting_id":"101555","media_asset_id":"med_101555_ac2ca6ea8216c427","agenda_item_id":null,"speaker_id":"spk_101555_female_speaker","speaker_confidence":0.8,"start_sec":1360.01,"end_sec":1388.32,"text":"I have a I have a question. Is there an Is there any building in Kent County which currently employs this finish?","topics_json":"[\"zoning\"]","vector_id":"vec_seg_101555_64","created_at":"2026-10-31T08:14:49Z","speaker_name":null},{"id":"seg_101555_65","meeting_id":"101555","media_asset_id":"med_101555_ac2ca6ea8216c427","agenda_item_id":null,"speaker_id":"spk_101555_male_speaker","speaker_confidence":0.8,"start_sec":1388.68,"end_sec":1415.37,"text":"Uh you can walk down the street to the Aloft hotel. And that has this EIFS system all over it. You can go to any of the number of buildings at University of Delaware, that's not around here, we're currently involved in a project there, um but EIFS is something that's called hidden in plain sight. Once you tap it, you know it's EIFS. Although from a distance, you wouldn't know what it was. You're like, \"Wow, it seems to be everywhere.\" Most local retail establishments, everything from a Burger King to a McDonald's to your strip shopping center, usually has this product somewhere on it. But the closest one I that I was just at this afternoon waiting for the meeting, is the uh I believe it's the Aloft Hotel, right down the street.","topics_json":"[\"zoning\"]","vector_id":"vec_seg_101555_65","created_at":"2026-10-31T08:14:49Z","speaker_name":null},{"id":"seg_101555_66","meeting_id":"101555","media_asset_id":"med_101555_ac2ca6ea8216c427","agenda_item_id":null,"speaker_id":"spk_101555_female_speaker","speaker_confidence":0.8,"start_sec":1415.85,"end_sec":1416.57,"text":"Is that the name, Aloft?","topics_json":"[]","vector_id":"vec_seg_101555_66","created_at":"2026-10-31T08:14:49Z","speaker_name":null},{"id":"seg_101555_67","meeting_id":"101555","media_asset_id":"med_101555_ac2ca6ea8216c427","agenda_item_id":null,"speaker_id":"spk_101555_male_speaker","speaker_confidence":0.8,"start_sec":1416.63,"end_sec":1417.11,"text":"Aloft.","topics_json":"[]","vector_id":"vec_seg_101555_67","created_at":"2026-10-31T08:14:49Z","speaker_name":null},{"id":"seg_101555_68","meeting_id":"101555","media_asset_id":"med_101555_ac2ca6ea8216c427","agenda_item_id":null,"speaker_id":"spk_101555_male_speaker","speaker_confidence":0.8,"start_sec":1417.77,"end_sec":1418.43,"text":"Yeah, if you turn","topics_json":"[]","vector_id":"vec_seg_101555_68","created_at":"2026-10-31T08:14:49Z","speaker_name":null},{"id":"seg_101555_69","meeting_id":"101555","media_asset_id":"med_101555_ac2ca6ea8216c427","agenda_item_id":null,"speaker_id":"spk_101555_male_speaker","speaker_confidence":0.7,"start_sec":1418.68,"end_sec":1420.06,"text":"Uh right next to TGI Fridays, right?","topics_json":"[]","vector_id":"vec_seg_101555_69","created_at":"2026-10-31T08:14:49Z","speaker_name":null},{"id":"seg_101555_7","meeting_id":"101555","media_asset_id":"med_101555_ac2ca6ea8216c427","agenda_item_id":null,"speaker_id":"spk_101555_dawn_melson_williams","speaker_confidence":0.95,"start_sec":204.64,"end_sec":257.06,"text":"um, with the, uh, basically the same look of the, um, the series of columns and the central elements there. Uh, they are, uh, proposing to, as, um, they had previously done, add the second-floor additions to the wings of the front of the building. Um, that was what you, part of what you reviewed back in November of last year. Uh, so basically, we would end up with a building that is in the same footprint that has been previously, um, approved. Uh, it would consist of this really kind of two-story with roof, um, front portion of the building, and then the rear portion of the building remains as the four-story, um,","topics_json":"[\"zoning\"]","vector_id":"vec_seg_101555_7","created_at":"2026-10-31T08:14:48Z","speaker_name":"Dawn Melson-Williams"},{"id":"seg_101555_70","meeting_id":"101555","media_asset_id":"med_101555_ac2ca6ea8216c427","agenda_item_id":null,"speaker_id":"spk_101555_male_speaker","speaker_confidence":0.8,"start_sec":1420.18,"end_sec":1446.74,"text":"Is it the Home2? I'm sorry. It's the Home2 Suites. Sorry.","topics_json":"[]","vector_id":"vec_seg_101555_70","created_at":"2026-10-31T08:14:49Z","speaker_name":null},{"id":"seg_101555_71","meeting_id":"101555","media_asset_id":"med_101555_ac2ca6ea8216c427","agenda_item_id":null,"speaker_id":"spk_101555_male_speaker","speaker_confidence":0.8,"start_sec":1447.65,"end_sec":1452.09,"text":"There's a new Aloft going up in Georgetown that Milford, I think, proposed. But that has EIFS all over it.","topics_json":"[\"zoning\"]","vector_id":"vec_seg_101555_71","created_at":"2026-10-31T08:14:49Z","speaker_name":null},{"id":"seg_101555_72","meeting_id":"101555","media_asset_id":"med_101555_ac2ca6ea8216c427","agenda_item_id":null,"speaker_id":"spk_101555_female_speaker","speaker_confidence":0.8,"start_sec":1452.39,"end_sec":1453,"text":"Okay, thank you.","topics_json":"[]","vector_id":"vec_seg_101555_72","created_at":"2026-10-31T08:14:49Z","speaker_name":null},{"id":"seg_101555_73","meeting_id":"101555","media_asset_id":"med_101555_ac2ca6ea8216c427","agenda_item_id":null,"speaker_id":"spk_101555_male_speaker","speaker_confidence":0.7,"start_sec":1454.08,"end_sec":1458.95,"text":"Now, I assume the the entire building is going to be covered with EIFS, then, right? The the elevator the facade and the elevation area, the entire building, right?","topics_json":"[\"zoning\"]","vector_id":"vec_seg_101555_73","created_at":"2026-10-31T08:14:49Z","speaker_name":null},{"id":"seg_101555_74","meeting_id":"101555","media_asset_id":"med_101555_ac2ca6ea8216c427","agenda_item_id":null,"speaker_id":"spk_101555_male_speaker","speaker_confidence":0.8,"start_sec":1459.19,"end_sec":1459.55,"text":"Yes.","topics_json":"[\"zoning\"]","vector_id":"vec_seg_101555_74","created_at":"2026-10-31T08:14:49Z","speaker_name":null},{"id":"seg_101555_75","meeting_id":"101555","media_asset_id":"med_101555_ac2ca6ea8216c427","agenda_item_id":null,"speaker_id":"spk_101555_male_speaker","speaker_confidence":0.7,"start_sec":1460.33,"end_sec":1465.26,"text":"All right, thank you. Um, quick question on the design, um is this rendering is accurate? This is exactly the way it's going to be?","topics_json":"[\"zoning\"]","vector_id":"vec_seg_101555_75","created_at":"2026-10-31T08:14:49Z","speaker_name":null},{"id":"seg_101555_76","meeting_id":"101555","media_asset_id":"med_101555_ac2ca6ea8216c427","agenda_item_id":null,"speaker_id":"spk_101555_male_speaker","speaker_confidence":0.8,"start_sec":1464.24,"end_sec":1464.66,"text":"Yes.","topics_json":"[]","vector_id":"vec_seg_101555_76","created_at":"2026-10-31T08:14:49Z","speaker_name":null},{"id":"seg_101555_77","meeting_id":"101555","media_asset_id":"med_101555_ac2ca6ea8216c427","agenda_item_id":null,"speaker_id":"spk_101555_male_speaker","speaker_confidence":0.8,"start_sec":1465.44,"end_sec":1465.74,"text":"Yes.","topics_json":"[]","vector_id":"vec_seg_101555_77","created_at":"2026-10-31T08:14:49Z","speaker_name":null},{"id":"seg_101555_78","meeting_id":"101555","media_asset_id":"med_101555_ac2ca6ea8216c427","agenda_item_id":null,"speaker_id":"spk_101555_male_speaker","speaker_confidence":0.7,"start_sec":1465.92,"end_sec":1469.16,"text":"Yeah, because we've had a couple other projects where we get a little bit of a bait-and-switch and they're like, \"Oh, yeah, we didn't have the materials.\"","topics_json":"[\"zoning\"]","vector_id":"vec_seg_101555_78","created_at":"2026-10-31T08:14:49Z","speaker_name":null},{"id":"seg_101555_79","meeting_id":"101555","media_asset_id":"med_101555_ac2ca6ea8216c427","agenda_item_id":null,"speaker_id":"spk_101555_male_speaker","speaker_confidence":0.8,"start_sec":1469.16,"end_sec":1476.68,"text":"Now, the the only thing you're probably going to notice once it's done is if if you're standing way back by Legislative Hall, is the back building is going to be a little lower because now we're lining up. Before we weren't, we were like this. Now, we're coming down.","topics_json":"[\"zoning\"]","vector_id":"vec_seg_101555_79","created_at":"2026-10-31T08:14:49Z","speaker_name":null},{"id":"seg_101555_8","meeting_id":"101555","media_asset_id":"med_101555_ac2ca6ea8216c427","agenda_item_id":null,"speaker_id":"spk_101555_dawn_melson_williams","speaker_confidence":0.95,"start_sec":257.34,"end_sec":309.92,"text":"construction where we find most of the apartment units that are proposed for this project. Um, with this, uh, revision, uh, to reconstruct the front of the building, uh, there's also an opportunity to, because of floor-to-floor heights will now actually be more in alignment, um, they can pick up three additional apartment units, uh, even within the same building footprint as what was previously approved. So it would bring the project to a total of 45 residential apartment units. Um, the other key element of the revision before you today, uh, is focused on the exterior, uh, surface materials that are proposed for the project.","topics_json":"[\"housing\",\"zoning\"]","vector_id":"vec_seg_101555_8","created_at":"2026-10-31T08:14:48Z","speaker_name":"Dawn Melson-Williams"},{"id":"seg_101555_80","meeting_id":"101555","media_asset_id":"med_101555_ac2ca6ea8216c427","agenda_item_id":null,"speaker_id":"spk_101555_male_speaker","speaker_confidence":0.7,"start_sec":1477.1,"end_sec":1505.53,"text":"Okay. Also um yeah, because I notice you have some really nice belt courses going along the elevation. Uh those are going to be there?","topics_json":"[\"zoning\"]","vector_id":"vec_seg_101555_80","created_at":"2026-10-31T08:14:49Z","speaker_name":null},{"id":"seg_101555_81","meeting_id":"101555","media_asset_id":"med_101555_ac2ca6ea8216c427","agenda_item_id":null,"speaker_id":"spk_101555_male_speaker","speaker_confidence":0.8,"start_sec":1480.94,"end_sec":1506.73,"text":"We're going to We're going to do all that, yep. Soldier courses, everything are going","topics_json":"[\"zoning\"]","vector_id":"vec_seg_101555_81","created_at":"2026-10-31T08:14:49Z","speaker_name":null},{"id":"seg_101555_82","meeting_id":"101555","media_asset_id":"med_101555_ac2ca6ea8216c427","agenda_item_id":null,"speaker_id":"spk_101555_male_speaker","speaker_confidence":0.7,"start_sec":1506.73,"end_sec":1507.93,"text":"Now, those are real bricks there, right?","topics_json":"[\"zoning\"]","vector_id":"vec_seg_101555_82","created_at":"2026-10-31T08:14:49Z","speaker_name":null},{"id":"seg_101555_83","meeting_id":"101555","media_asset_id":"med_101555_ac2ca6ea8216c427","agenda_item_id":null,"speaker_id":"spk_101555_male_speaker","speaker_confidence":0.8,"start_sec":1507.93,"end_sec":1508.41,"text":"No, it's all EIFS.","topics_json":"[\"zoning\"]","vector_id":"vec_seg_101555_83","created_at":"2026-10-31T08:14:49Z","speaker_name":null},{"id":"seg_101555_84","meeting_id":"101555","media_asset_id":"med_101555_ac2ca6ea8216c427","agenda_item_id":null,"speaker_id":"spk_101555_male_speaker","speaker_confidence":0.7,"start_sec":1508.47,"end_sec":1510.04,"text":"It's all EIFS, even the even the belt courses. Okay.","topics_json":"[\"zoning\"]","vector_id":"vec_seg_101555_84","created_at":"2026-10-31T08:14:49Z","speaker_name":null},{"id":"seg_101555_85","meeting_id":"101555","media_asset_id":"med_101555_ac2ca6ea8216c427","agenda_item_id":null,"speaker_id":"spk_101555_male_speaker","speaker_confidence":0.8,"start_sec":1510.82,"end_sec":1517.31,"text":"That would be known as uh called EIFS shapes, which are cut and molded and brought to the job site in either a raw foam or a base coated, and then they put the finish coat over top of it.","topics_json":"[\"zoning\"]","vector_id":"vec_seg_101555_85","created_at":"2026-10-31T08:14:49Z","speaker_name":null},{"id":"seg_101555_86","meeting_id":"101555","media_asset_id":"med_101555_ac2ca6ea8216c427","agenda_item_id":null,"speaker_id":"spk_101555_male_speaker","speaker_confidence":0.7,"start_sec":1517.55,"end_sec":1518.09,"text":"Yeah, I got you.","topics_json":"[]","vector_id":"vec_seg_101555_86","created_at":"2026-10-31T08:14:49Z","speaker_name":null},{"id":"seg_101555_87","meeting_id":"101555","media_asset_id":"med_101555_ac2ca6ea8216c427","agenda_item_id":null,"speaker_id":"spk_101555_male_speaker","speaker_confidence":0.7,"start_sec":1519.29,"end_sec":1525.12,"text":"Um, now compared to the original um proposal for this, there Yeah, I wish we kind of had the older picture. I guess they're identical?","topics_json":"[\"zoning\"]","vector_id":"vec_seg_101555_87","created_at":"2026-10-31T08:14:49Z","speaker_name":null},{"id":"seg_101555_88","meeting_id":"101555","media_asset_id":"med_101555_ac2ca6ea8216c427","agenda_item_id":null,"speaker_id":"spk_101555_male_speaker","speaker_confidence":0.8,"start_sec":1525.12,"end_sec":1527.11,"text":"Yeah, they are they are identical. That's why there's no new and old.","topics_json":"[\"zoning\"]","vector_id":"vec_seg_101555_88","created_at":"2026-10-31T08:14:49Z","speaker_name":null},{"id":"seg_101555_89","meeting_id":"101555","media_asset_id":"med_101555_ac2ca6ea8216c427","agenda_item_id":null,"speaker_id":"spk_101555_male_speaker","speaker_confidence":0.7,"start_sec":1527.17,"end_sec":1573.03,"text":"Because some of the problems with the renderings I see is they put uh conveniently put mature trees over certain elements of the building, and I can't see, like for example, the tie-in between the facade and the elevation, because I know it kind of ties in because the elevation's taller than the facade. So, it uh if you look at the uh plan view um prior to this, um the the actual line drawing, uh you'll see that that, yeah, the um the elevation's taller than the facade. It's going to be viewable from probably across the street, maybe?","topics_json":"[\"zoning\"]","vector_id":"vec_seg_101555_89","created_at":"2026-10-31T08:14:49Z","speaker_name":null},{"id":"seg_101555_9","meeting_id":"101555","media_asset_id":"med_101555_ac2ca6ea8216c427","agenda_item_id":null,"speaker_id":"spk_101555_dawn_melson_williams","speaker_confidence":0.95,"start_sec":310.87,"end_sec":354.21,"text":"Um, staff has provided an architectural review staff report on this revision number two, and, um, it continues to provide some basic information as well as history of the property, um, and the, um, kind of previous actions and review of it. Uh, if you look at page 4 of that report, um, where it describes specifically the project proposal, um, the key elements are the fact of the full demolition of the building and then reconstruction of, um, the existing front part portion of the building plus those wing additions as we, um, see the building today.","topics_json":"[\"zoning\"]","vector_id":"vec_seg_101555_9","created_at":"2026-10-31T08:14:48Z","speaker_name":"Dawn Melson-Williams"},{"id":"seg_101555_90","meeting_id":"101555","media_asset_id":"med_101555_ac2ca6ea8216c427","agenda_item_id":null,"speaker_id":"spk_101555_male_speaker","speaker_confidence":0.8,"start_sec":1573.45,"end_sec":1575.85,"text":"Well, it is and it always was, but now it's going to be a little lower.","topics_json":"[\"zoning\"]","vector_id":"vec_seg_101555_90","created_at":"2026-10-31T08:14:49Z","speaker_name":null},{"id":"seg_101555_91","meeting_id":"101555","media_asset_id":"med_101555_ac2ca6ea8216c427","agenda_item_id":null,"speaker_id":"spk_101555_male_speaker","speaker_confidence":0.7,"start_sec":1575.97,"end_sec":1576.75,"text":"I got you. I got you.","topics_json":"[]","vector_id":"vec_seg_101555_91","created_at":"2026-10-31T08:14:49Z","speaker_name":null},{"id":"seg_101555_92","meeting_id":"101555","media_asset_id":"med_101555_ac2ca6ea8216c427","agenda_item_id":null,"speaker_id":"spk_101555_male_speaker","speaker_confidence":0.7,"start_sec":1577.41,"end_sec":1584.57,"text":"I just want to make sure what we see on the drawing, because they'll say, \"Well, that's a that's a planned rendering,\" and then all of a sudden we we do get changes to the final product. Uh and that's what I'm always concerned about.","topics_json":"[\"zoning\"]","vector_id":"vec_seg_101555_92","created_at":"2026-10-31T08:14:49Z","speaker_name":null},{"id":"seg_101555_93","meeting_id":"101555","media_asset_id":"med_101555_ac2ca6ea8216c427","agenda_item_id":null,"speaker_id":"spk_101555_male_speaker","speaker_confidence":0.8,"start_sec":1584.99,"end_sec":1586.73,"text":"Our plan is to not deviate from what you see.","topics_json":"[\"zoning\"]","vector_id":"vec_seg_101555_93","created_at":"2026-10-31T08:14:49Z","speaker_name":null},{"id":"seg_101555_94","meeting_id":"101555","media_asset_id":"med_101555_ac2ca6ea8216c427","agenda_item_id":null,"speaker_id":"spk_101555_female_speaker","speaker_confidence":0.8,"start_sec":1587.75,"end_sec":1595.69,"text":"Related to this, thank you. Uh so they uh the the tympanum will be white, uh and it will say the Old Post, and it will have the um six part uh window.","topics_json":"[\"zoning\"]","vector_id":"vec_seg_101555_94","created_at":"2026-10-31T08:14:49Z","speaker_name":null},{"id":"seg_101555_95","meeting_id":"101555","media_asset_id":"med_101555_ac2ca6ea8216c427","agenda_item_id":null,"speaker_id":"spk_101555_male_speaker","speaker_confidence":0.8,"start_sec":1595.81,"end_sec":1596.23,"text":"Yes.","topics_json":"[\"zoning\"]","vector_id":"vec_seg_101555_95","created_at":"2026-10-31T08:14:49Z","speaker_name":null},{"id":"seg_101555_96","meeting_id":"101555","media_asset_id":"med_101555_ac2ca6ea8216c427","agenda_item_id":null,"speaker_id":"spk_101555_female_speaker","speaker_confidence":0.8,"start_sec":1596.29,"end_sec":1629.89,"text":"Okay, thank you so much. The the other question I had from last time was uh the access by the apartment dwellers, home dwellers, and will these be um uh peo- will Will this be owner-occupied housing?","topics_json":"[\"housing\"]","vector_id":"vec_seg_101555_96","created_at":"2026-10-31T08:14:49Z","speaker_name":null},{"id":"seg_101555_97","meeting_id":"101555","media_asset_id":"med_101555_ac2ca6ea8216c427","agenda_item_id":null,"speaker_id":"spk_101555_male_speaker","speaker_confidence":0.8,"start_sec":1630.37,"end_sec":1631.09,"text":"No, rental apartments.","topics_json":"[\"housing\"]","vector_id":"vec_seg_101555_97","created_at":"2026-10-31T08:14:49Z","speaker_name":null},{"id":"seg_101555_98","meeting_id":"101555","media_asset_id":"med_101555_ac2ca6ea8216c427","agenda_item_id":null,"speaker_id":"spk_101555_female_speaker","speaker_confidence":0.8,"start_sec":1631.15,"end_sec":1644.37,"text":"Rental apartments. So, the access for the people in the rental apartments to the retail on the first floor or whatever is going to happen in the front, uh there was some discussion possibly an eatery or some some sort of retail situation, uh how will they how will they access that? Is there an access from the interior of the building that they could use?","topics_json":"[\"business\",\"housing\"]","vector_id":"vec_seg_101555_98","created_at":"2026-10-31T08:14:49Z","speaker_name":null},{"id":"seg_101555_99","meeting_id":"101555","media_asset_id":"med_101555_ac2ca6ea8216c427","agenda_item_id":null,"speaker_id":"spk_101555_male_speaker","speaker_confidence":0.8,"start_sec":1644.67,"end_sec":1646.36,"text":"No, it's from the out come out of the building and then go in through the front.","topics_json":"[\"housing\"]","vector_id":"vec_seg_101555_99","created_at":"2026-10-31T08:14:49Z","speaker_name":null},{"id":"seg_101610_1","meeting_id":"101610","media_asset_id":"med_101610_4bb4eac7bcf5cd5f","agenda_item_id":null,"speaker_id":"spk_101610_chair","speaker_confidence":0.9,"start_sec":3.4,"end_sec":16.5,"text":"Good afternoon, I now call the City of Dover Construction Property Maintenance Code Board of Appeals meeting to order. I will entertain a motion to accept the agenda.","topics_json":"[]","vector_id":"vec_seg_101610_1","created_at":"2026-10-31T08:05:58Z","speaker_name":null},{"id":"seg_101610_10","meeting_id":"101610","media_asset_id":"med_101610_4bb4eac7bcf5cd5f","agenda_item_id":null,"speaker_id":"off_andre_m_boggerty","speaker_confidence":0.95,"start_sec":71,"end_sec":72.8,"text":"Uh Boggerty seconds.","topics_json":"[]","vector_id":"vec_seg_101610_10","created_at":"2026-10-31T08:05:58Z","speaker_name":"Andre M. Boggerty"},{"id":"seg_101610_100","meeting_id":"101610","media_asset_id":"med_101610_4bb4eac7bcf5cd5f","agenda_item_id":null,"speaker_id":"spk_101610_property_owner","speaker_confidence":0.9,"start_sec":1546.8,"end_sec":1549.11,"text":"I I hope so. I hope so.","topics_json":"[\"code_enforcement\"]","vector_id":"vec_seg_101610_100","created_at":"2026-10-31T08:05:59Z","speaker_name":null},{"id":"seg_101610_101","meeting_id":"101610","media_asset_id":"med_101610_4bb4eac7bcf5cd5f","agenda_item_id":null,"speaker_id":"spk_101610_campanelli","speaker_confidence":0.9,"start_sec":1549.13,"end_sec":1555.87,"text":"Now, we're asking, can you do it in 90 days? Because that way, you waive the fines. Is that Am I correct on that, there?","topics_json":"[\"code_enforcement\"]","vector_id":"vec_seg_101610_101","created_at":"2026-10-31T08:05:59Z","speaker_name":"Campanelli"},{"id":"seg_101610_102","meeting_id":"101610","media_asset_id":"med_101610_4bb4eac7bcf5cd5f","agenda_item_id":null,"speaker_id":"spk_101610_eddie_kopp","speaker_confidence":0.95,"start_sec":1555.89,"end_sec":1572.07,"text":"Yes. So, before you today stayed is the $1,000. So, we would my recommendation would be to stay the fine for the 90 days, um, in the event there's not compliance within the 90 days, the fine would be reinstated, and code enforcement action would resume.","topics_json":"[\"code_enforcement\"]","vector_id":"vec_seg_101610_102","created_at":"2026-10-31T08:05:59Z","speaker_name":"Eddie Kopp"},{"id":"seg_101610_103","meeting_id":"101610","media_asset_id":"med_101610_4bb4eac7bcf5cd5f","agenda_item_id":null,"speaker_id":"spk_101610_campanelli","speaker_confidence":0.9,"start_sec":1572.9,"end_sec":1577.38,"text":"Now, if it's reinstated, that means it's going up, too, right? During those 90 days?","topics_json":"[\"code_enforcement\"]","vector_id":"vec_seg_101610_103","created_at":"2026-10-31T08:05:59Z","speaker_name":"Campanelli"},{"id":"seg_101610_104","meeting_id":"101610","media_asset_id":"med_101610_4bb4eac7bcf5cd5f","agenda_item_id":null,"speaker_id":"spk_101610_eddie_kopp","speaker_confidence":0.95,"start_sec":1577.4,"end_sec":1587.44,"text":"No, because if Sorry. If enforcement stayed for 90 days, we won't take any further actions because of the stay of enforcement, so no additional fines would be issued during that time.","topics_json":"[\"code_enforcement\"]","vector_id":"vec_seg_101610_104","created_at":"2026-10-31T08:05:59Z","speaker_name":"Eddie Kopp"},{"id":"seg_101610_105","meeting_id":"101610","media_asset_id":"med_101610_4bb4eac7bcf5cd5f","agenda_item_id":null,"speaker_id":"spk_101610_campanelli","speaker_confidence":0.9,"start_sec":1587.74,"end_sec":1594,"text":"Okay. So, is it worth it to you to 3 months to get the place pretty much cleared up?","topics_json":"[\"code_enforcement\"]","vector_id":"vec_seg_101610_105","created_at":"2026-10-31T08:05:59Z","speaker_name":"Campanelli"},{"id":"seg_101610_106","meeting_id":"101610","media_asset_id":"med_101610_4bb4eac7bcf5cd5f","agenda_item_id":null,"speaker_id":"spk_101610_property_owner","speaker_confidence":0.9,"start_sec":1594.58,"end_sec":1598.22,"text":"I I would I would think so. I would think so. I think that would be fair.","topics_json":"[\"code_enforcement\"]","vector_id":"vec_seg_101610_106","created_at":"2026-10-31T08:05:59Z","speaker_name":null},{"id":"seg_101610_107","meeting_id":"101610","media_asset_id":"med_101610_4bb4eac7bcf5cd5f","agenda_item_id":null,"speaker_id":"spk_101610_campanelli","speaker_confidence":0.9,"start_sec":1598.62,"end_sec":1601.11,"text":"That That fine would buy a lot of medicine.","topics_json":"[]","vector_id":"vec_seg_101610_107","created_at":"2026-10-31T08:05:59Z","speaker_name":"Campanelli"},{"id":"seg_101610_108","meeting_id":"101610","media_asset_id":"med_101610_4bb4eac7bcf5cd5f","agenda_item_id":null,"speaker_id":"spk_101610_property_owner","speaker_confidence":0.9,"start_sec":1601.71,"end_sec":1607.9,"text":"Yeah. Oh, yeah. Well, it would. Okay. If If I get it within, you know, reason","topics_json":"[]","vector_id":"vec_seg_101610_108","created_at":"2026-10-31T08:05:59Z","speaker_name":null},{"id":"seg_101610_109","meeting_id":"101610","media_asset_id":"med_101610_4bb4eac7bcf5cd5f","agenda_item_id":null,"speaker_id":"spk_101610_campanelli","speaker_confidence":0.9,"start_sec":1608.33,"end_sec":1609.26,"text":"90 days.","topics_json":"[\"code_enforcement\"]","vector_id":"vec_seg_101610_109","created_at":"2026-10-31T08:05:59Z","speaker_name":"Campanelli"},{"id":"seg_101610_11","meeting_id":"101610","media_asset_id":"med_101610_4bb4eac7bcf5cd5f","agenda_item_id":null,"speaker_id":"spk_101610_chair","speaker_confidence":0.9,"start_sec":72.9,"end_sec":81.8,"text":"Okay, it's been properly moved and seconded to accept the agenda. Uh any any discussion on the motion? Seeing none, all those in favor, please state by saying aye.","topics_json":"[]","vector_id":"vec_seg_101610_11","created_at":"2026-10-31T08:05:58Z","speaker_name":null},{"id":"seg_101610_110","meeting_id":"101610","media_asset_id":"med_101610_4bb4eac7bcf5cd5f","agenda_item_id":null,"speaker_id":"spk_101610_property_owner","speaker_confidence":0.9,"start_sec":1609.85,"end_sec":1614.5,"text":"Yeah, if if I fall short, I you know. What happens if I fall short?","topics_json":"[\"code_enforcement\"]","vector_id":"vec_seg_101610_110","created_at":"2026-10-31T08:05:59Z","speaker_name":null},{"id":"seg_101610_111","meeting_id":"101610","media_asset_id":"med_101610_4bb4eac7bcf5cd5f","agenda_item_id":null,"speaker_id":"spk_101610_campanelli","speaker_confidence":0.9,"start_sec":1615.25,"end_sec":1617.28,"text":"Yeah. What do we do?","topics_json":"[\"code_enforcement\"]","vector_id":"vec_seg_101610_111","created_at":"2026-10-31T08:05:59Z","speaker_name":"Campanelli"},{"id":"seg_101610_112","meeting_id":"101610","media_asset_id":"med_101610_4bb4eac7bcf5cd5f","agenda_item_id":null,"speaker_id":"spk_101610_chair","speaker_confidence":0.9,"start_sec":1618.13,"end_sec":1619.81,"text":"Go to Code Enforcement.","topics_json":"[\"code_enforcement\"]","vector_id":"vec_seg_101610_112","created_at":"2026-10-31T08:05:59Z","speaker_name":null},{"id":"seg_101610_113","meeting_id":"101610","media_asset_id":"med_101610_4bb4eac7bcf5cd5f","agenda_item_id":null,"speaker_id":"spk_101610_board_member","speaker_confidence":0.9,"start_sec":1619.83,"end_sec":1621.28,"text":"We cross that bridge when we get to it.","topics_json":"[]","vector_id":"vec_seg_101610_113","created_at":"2026-10-31T08:05:59Z","speaker_name":null},{"id":"seg_101610_114","meeting_id":"101610","media_asset_id":"med_101610_4bb4eac7bcf5cd5f","agenda_item_id":null,"speaker_id":"spk_101610_eddie_kopp","speaker_confidence":0.95,"start_sec":1621.48,"end_sec":1635.49,"text":"So So, at the end of the 90 days, um, if you're not in compliance and code enforcement action resumes, there would be another notice of violation, another citation issued, you would have right to appeal that again to this board, because another action has taken place.","topics_json":"[\"code_enforcement\"]","vector_id":"vec_seg_101610_114","created_at":"2026-10-31T08:05:59Z","speaker_name":"Eddie Kopp"},{"id":"seg_101610_115","meeting_id":"101610","media_asset_id":"med_101610_4bb4eac7bcf5cd5f","agenda_item_id":null,"speaker_id":"spk_101610_campanelli","speaker_confidence":0.9,"start_sec":1636.17,"end_sec":1638.46,"text":"But the fine would still be there, correct?","topics_json":"[\"code_enforcement\"]","vector_id":"vec_seg_101610_115","created_at":"2026-10-31T08:05:59Z","speaker_name":"Campanelli"},{"id":"seg_101610_116","meeting_id":"101610","media_asset_id":"med_101610_4bb4eac7bcf5cd5f","agenda_item_id":null,"speaker_id":"spk_101610_eddie_kopp","speaker_confidence":0.95,"start_sec":1638.48,"end_sec":1638.98,"text":"Correct.","topics_json":"[\"code_enforcement\"]","vector_id":"vec_seg_101610_116","created_at":"2026-10-31T08:05:59Z","speaker_name":"Eddie Kopp"},{"id":"seg_101610_117","meeting_id":"101610","media_asset_id":"med_101610_4bb4eac7bcf5cd5f","agenda_item_id":null,"speaker_id":"spk_101610_property_owner","speaker_confidence":0.9,"start_sec":1639.12,"end_sec":1641.91,"text":"So, 90 days is probably about the maximum you can give?","topics_json":"[\"code_enforcement\"]","vector_id":"vec_seg_101610_117","created_at":"2026-10-31T08:05:59Z","speaker_name":null},{"id":"seg_101610_118","meeting_id":"101610","media_asset_id":"med_101610_4bb4eac7bcf5cd5f","agenda_item_id":null,"speaker_id":"spk_101610_eddie_kopp","speaker_confidence":0.95,"start_sec":1642.39,"end_sec":1644.05,"text":"Correct. 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So,","topics_json":"[\"code_enforcement\"]","vector_id":"vec_seg_101610_120","created_at":"2026-10-31T08:05:59Z","speaker_name":"Eddie Kopp"},{"id":"seg_101610_121","meeting_id":"101610","media_asset_id":"med_101610_4bb4eac7bcf5cd5f","agenda_item_id":null,"speaker_id":"spk_101610_property_owner","speaker_confidence":0.9,"start_sec":1651.92,"end_sec":1653.77,"text":"I I I'm not going to dispute that.","topics_json":"[\"code_enforcement\"]","vector_id":"vec_seg_101610_121","created_at":"2026-10-31T08:05:59Z","speaker_name":null},{"id":"seg_101610_122","meeting_id":"101610","media_asset_id":"med_101610_4bb4eac7bcf5cd5f","agenda_item_id":null,"speaker_id":"spk_101610_eddie_kopp","speaker_confidence":0.95,"start_sec":1654.22,"end_sec":1665.38,"text":"um, and we have to be consistent with enforcement we provide. So, I think 90 days is fair. 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Well, that that's It is what it is.","topics_json":"[]","vector_id":"vec_seg_101610_123","created_at":"2026-10-31T08:05:59Z","speaker_name":null},{"id":"seg_101610_124","meeting_id":"101610","media_asset_id":"med_101610_4bb4eac7bcf5cd5f","agenda_item_id":null,"speaker_id":"spk_101610_campanelli","speaker_confidence":0.9,"start_sec":1669.09,"end_sec":1680.31,"text":"Yeah, I recommend we uh stay it for 90 days, and at the end of the 90 days, if it's not done, and you had other problems that caused it not to be done,","topics_json":"[\"code_enforcement\"]","vector_id":"vec_seg_101610_124","created_at":"2026-10-31T08:05:59Z","speaker_name":"Campanelli"},{"id":"seg_101610_125","meeting_id":"101610","media_asset_id":"med_101610_4bb4eac7bcf5cd5f","agenda_item_id":null,"speaker_id":"spk_101610_property_owner","speaker_confidence":0.9,"start_sec":1680.46,"end_sec":1681.27,"text":"Right.","topics_json":"[]","vector_id":"vec_seg_101610_125","created_at":"2026-10-31T08:05:59Z","speaker_name":null},{"id":"seg_101610_126","meeting_id":"101610","media_asset_id":"med_101610_4bb4eac7bcf5cd5f","agenda_item_id":null,"speaker_id":"spk_101610_campanelli","speaker_confidence":0.9,"start_sec":1681.71,"end_sec":1694,"text":"uh with uh a little bit of extra time, if needed. And I'm not talking another 30 days. I'm talking maybe a week, two weeks past the 90-day limit, you know.","topics_json":"[\"code_enforcement\"]","vector_id":"vec_seg_101610_126","created_at":"2026-10-31T08:05:59Z","speaker_name":"Campanelli"},{"id":"seg_101610_127","meeting_id":"101610","media_asset_id":"med_101610_4bb4eac7bcf5cd5f","agenda_item_id":null,"speaker_id":"spk_101610_eddie_kopp","speaker_confidence":0.95,"start_sec":1694.49,"end_sec":1697.62,"text":"Yeah, but I would If you're going to make a motion, I would keep it keep it at 90.","topics_json":"[\"code_enforcement\"]","vector_id":"vec_seg_101610_127","created_at":"2026-10-31T08:05:59Z","speaker_name":"Eddie Kopp"},{"id":"seg_101610_128","meeting_id":"101610","media_asset_id":"med_101610_4bb4eac7bcf5cd5f","agenda_item_id":null,"speaker_id":"spk_101610_campanelli","speaker_confidence":0.9,"start_sec":1697.95,"end_sec":1700.86,"text":"All right. I make a motion to keep it at the 90 days.","topics_json":"[\"code_enforcement\"]","vector_id":"vec_seg_101610_128","created_at":"2026-10-31T08:05:59Z","speaker_name":"Campanelli"},{"id":"seg_101610_129","meeting_id":"101610","media_asset_id":"med_101610_4bb4eac7bcf5cd5f","agenda_item_id":null,"speaker_id":"spk_101610_chair","speaker_confidence":0.9,"start_sec":1703.23,"end_sec":1704.76,"text":"Looking for a second.","topics_json":"[]","vector_id":"vec_seg_101610_129","created_at":"2026-10-31T08:05:59Z","speaker_name":null},{"id":"seg_101610_13","meeting_id":"101610","media_asset_id":"med_101610_4bb4eac7bcf5cd5f","agenda_item_id":null,"speaker_id":"off_andre_m_boggerty","speaker_confidence":0.95,"start_sec":83.3,"end_sec":84.1,"text":"Aye.","topics_json":"[]","vector_id":"vec_seg_101610_13","created_at":"2026-10-31T08:05:58Z","speaker_name":"Andre M. 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So, it's going to be the fence and then What What about that pile in the corner that I had? That's already been taken down. I don't know why I addressed that, you'll see it there. 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The ayes have it. Motion is The agenda is adopted. Okay. Um, first and foremost, uh how we normally do this before we go into the first item, I'll just explain to everyone that uh we're going to let code enforcement present what what the case is and and give their side. And then um we may have a discussion, or we may not, and we may go directly into um the the uh per- the appellant's um to to to to give us th- your side basically.","topics_json":"[]","vector_id":"vec_seg_101610_14","created_at":"2026-10-31T08:05:58Z","speaker_name":null},{"id":"seg_101610_140","meeting_id":"101610","media_asset_id":"med_101610_4bb4eac7bcf5cd5f","agenda_item_id":null,"speaker_id":"spk_101610_property_owner","speaker_confidence":0.9,"start_sec":1765.79,"end_sec":1766.4,"text":"That's fine.","topics_json":"[]","vector_id":"vec_seg_101610_140","created_at":"2026-10-31T08:05:59Z","speaker_name":null},{"id":"seg_101610_141","meeting_id":"101610","media_asset_id":"med_101610_4bb4eac7bcf5cd5f","agenda_item_id":null,"speaker_id":"spk_101610_cierra_brown","speaker_confidence":0.95,"start_sec":1766.67,"end_sec":1768.78,"text":"Okay, perfect. I can reach out via phone, if that's okay with you.","topics_json":"[]","vector_id":"vec_seg_101610_141","created_at":"2026-10-31T08:05:59Z","speaker_name":"Cierra Brown"},{"id":"seg_101610_142","meeting_id":"101610","media_asset_id":"med_101610_4bb4eac7bcf5cd5f","agenda_item_id":null,"speaker_id":"spk_101610_property_owner","speaker_confidence":0.9,"start_sec":1768.8,"end_sec":1774.11,"text":"And Mr. Kopp, Ms. Miss Brown, uh, I would like to be the go-to person.","topics_json":"[]","vector_id":"vec_seg_101610_142","created_at":"2026-10-31T08:05:59Z","speaker_name":null},{"id":"seg_101610_143","meeting_id":"101610","media_asset_id":"med_101610_4bb4eac7bcf5cd5f","agenda_item_id":null,"speaker_id":"spk_101610_cierra_brown","speaker_confidence":0.95,"start_sec":1774.13,"end_sec":1775.32,"text":"Absolutely.","topics_json":"[]","vector_id":"vec_seg_101610_143","created_at":"2026-10-31T08:05:59Z","speaker_name":"Cierra Brown"},{"id":"seg_101610_144","meeting_id":"101610","media_asset_id":"med_101610_4bb4eac7bcf5cd5f","agenda_item_id":null,"speaker_id":"spk_101610_property_owner","speaker_confidence":0.9,"start_sec":1775.34,"end_sec":1780.93,"text":"Okay. The problem is we get too many In this case, there's been too many chefs in the kitchen.","topics_json":"[]","vector_id":"vec_seg_101610_144","created_at":"2026-10-31T08:05:59Z","speaker_name":null},{"id":"seg_101610_145","meeting_id":"101610","media_asset_id":"med_101610_4bb4eac7bcf5cd5f","agenda_item_id":null,"speaker_id":"spk_101610_chair","speaker_confidence":0.9,"start_sec":1780.95,"end_sec":1783.26,"text":"Okay, well we got three of them here.","topics_json":"[]","vector_id":"vec_seg_101610_145","created_at":"2026-10-31T08:05:59Z","speaker_name":null},{"id":"seg_101610_146","meeting_id":"101610","media_asset_id":"med_101610_4bb4eac7bcf5cd5f","agenda_item_id":null,"speaker_id":"spk_101610_property_owner","speaker_confidence":0.9,"start_sec":1783.28,"end_sec":1785.58,"text":"You got Well, just you dropped your","topics_json":"[]","vector_id":"vec_seg_101610_146","created_at":"2026-10-31T08:05:59Z","speaker_name":null},{"id":"seg_101610_147","meeting_id":"101610","media_asset_id":"med_101610_4bb4eac7bcf5cd5f","agenda_item_id":null,"speaker_id":"spk_101610_cierra_brown","speaker_confidence":0.95,"start_sec":1784.55,"end_sec":1786.05,"text":"I'll reach out to you via phone tomorrow.","topics_json":"[]","vector_id":"vec_seg_101610_147","created_at":"2026-10-31T08:05:59Z","speaker_name":"Cierra Brown"},{"id":"seg_101610_148","meeting_id":"101610","media_asset_id":"med_101610_4bb4eac7bcf5cd5f","agenda_item_id":null,"speaker_id":"spk_101610_property_owner","speaker_confidence":0.9,"start_sec":1786.07,"end_sec":1788.49,"text":"Reach out to That'd be fine. 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Sierra, Miss Brown, you you can uh let us know what what is involved in this case.","topics_json":"[]","vector_id":"vec_seg_101610_15","created_at":"2026-10-31T08:05:58Z","speaker_name":null},{"id":"seg_101610_150","meeting_id":"101610","media_asset_id":"med_101610_4bb4eac7bcf5cd5f","agenda_item_id":null,"speaker_id":"spk_101610_property_owner","speaker_confidence":0.9,"start_sec":1789.42,"end_sec":1791.55,"text":"Thank you very much. All right. Thank you.","topics_json":"[]","vector_id":"vec_seg_101610_150","created_at":"2026-10-31T08:05:59Z","speaker_name":null},{"id":"seg_101610_151","meeting_id":"101610","media_asset_id":"med_101610_4bb4eac7bcf5cd5f","agenda_item_id":null,"speaker_id":"spk_101610_chair","speaker_confidence":0.9,"start_sec":1792.16,"end_sec":1807.25,"text":"Okay, next item on the agenda is case number 25-00005073 and related to fines to 1200 North DuPont Highway, Delaware State University. Do we have a representative for DSU?","topics_json":"[\"code_enforcement\"]","vector_id":"vec_seg_101610_151","created_at":"2026-10-31T08:05:59Z","speaker_name":null},{"id":"seg_101610_152","meeting_id":"101610","media_asset_id":"med_101610_4bb4eac7bcf5cd5f","agenda_item_id":null,"speaker_id":"spk_101610_khalid_zerrad","speaker_confidence":0.9,"start_sec":1807.53,"end_sec":1808.79,"text":"Yep, right here.","topics_json":"[]","vector_id":"vec_seg_101610_152","created_at":"2026-10-31T08:05:59Z","speaker_name":"Khalid Zerrad"},{"id":"seg_101610_153","meeting_id":"101610","media_asset_id":"med_101610_4bb4eac7bcf5cd5f","agenda_item_id":null,"speaker_id":"spk_101610_chair","speaker_confidence":0.9,"start_sec":1808.81,"end_sec":1810.42,"text":"Oh, how are you doing, sir?","topics_json":"[]","vector_id":"vec_seg_101610_153","created_at":"2026-10-31T08:05:59Z","speaker_name":null},{"id":"seg_101610_154","meeting_id":"101610","media_asset_id":"med_101610_4bb4eac7bcf5cd5f","agenda_item_id":null,"speaker_id":"spk_101610_khalid_zerrad","speaker_confidence":0.9,"start_sec":1810.44,"end_sec":1811.67,"text":"I'm doing all right. How are you all doing?","topics_json":"[]","vector_id":"vec_seg_101610_154","created_at":"2026-10-31T08:05:59Z","speaker_name":"Khalid Zerrad"},{"id":"seg_101610_155","meeting_id":"101610","media_asset_id":"med_101610_4bb4eac7bcf5cd5f","agenda_item_id":null,"speaker_id":"spk_101610_chair","speaker_confidence":0.9,"start_sec":1811.69,"end_sec":1817.97,"text":"All right. We're going to allow Code Enforcement Yeah, that's fine. to share with us the information, and, you know, we'll give you an opportunity as well.","topics_json":"[\"code_enforcement\"]","vector_id":"vec_seg_101610_155","created_at":"2026-10-31T08:05:59Z","speaker_name":null},{"id":"seg_101610_156","meeting_id":"101610","media_asset_id":"med_101610_4bb4eac7bcf5cd5f","agenda_item_id":null,"speaker_id":"spk_101610_khalid_zerrad","speaker_confidence":0.9,"start_sec":1817.99,"end_sec":1818.69,"text":"All right. Yes.","topics_json":"[]","vector_id":"vec_seg_101610_156","created_at":"2026-10-31T08:05:59Z","speaker_name":"Khalid Zerrad"},{"id":"seg_101610_157","meeting_id":"101610","media_asset_id":"med_101610_4bb4eac7bcf5cd5f","agenda_item_id":null,"speaker_id":"spk_101610_chair","speaker_confidence":0.9,"start_sec":1819.01,"end_sec":1819.95,"text":"Yes, Ms. Brown.","topics_json":"[]","vector_id":"vec_seg_101610_157","created_at":"2026-10-31T08:05:59Z","speaker_name":null},{"id":"seg_101610_158","meeting_id":"101610","media_asset_id":"med_101610_4bb4eac7bcf5cd5f","agenda_item_id":null,"speaker_id":"spk_101610_cierra_brown","speaker_confidence":0.95,"start_sec":1820.47,"end_sec":1899.8,"text":"Um, again for the record, my name is Cierra Brown, Code Enforcement Officer with the City of Dover. Case number 25-5073 in reference to 1200 North DuPont Highway, um the Thomasson Building. Case originated from a fire department referral that went to the fire marshal's office and then to Code Enforcement for a joint inspection. Joint inspection was conducted on December 11th, 2025. Um, this inspection was completed with, and if if I'm saying your name wrong, please yell at me, Khalid? Khalid. Yes. Thank you. This uh inspection was conducted with Khalid that day, um and coordinated with him. We spoke via email after the inspection was conducted to advise that the building was being condemned due to the life safety concerns that existed within the building. Um, after the inspection was conducted and notice was originated, email was sent along with information to Khalid on behalf of DSU. Um, he advised that due to the bid process and etcetera that they have to go through being this um corporation, that it wouldn't be until March of 2026 when um the building would be demolished. I reached out via email on January 15th of 2026, due to not hearing from anyone in reference for to an update on the case. I was told that they were in the process, and work would be completed in summer of 2026. An extension was granted until February 19th, 2026. No communication from DSU, but good faith extension was granted until March 10th of 2026. Received an email on March 9th, 2026, stating that the bid package would be complete by the end of March. Come April, no update was provided, and no update was provided in May. So, a second notice was sent on May 15th, 2026. No demo permit was on file, and no update was provided in June. So, a third notice along with a $100 citation was sent on June 25th, 2026. No update was provided in July, so an additional $200 citation sent on 8/7/2026. Email was received with the appeal of the citation on August 27th, 2026. Um, I know that there are pictures provided on the screen. Um, a lot of what you see in the pictures is going to be issues with mold, um structural issues with the floor, um different other different structural members throughout the building. Um, it's for those reasons that the building was condemned. Um, the building, to my knowledge, has been secured, um with no trespassing signs, our condemnation placards, so that there was no unlawful entry into the building.","topics_json":"[\"code_enforcement\",\"public_safety\"]","vector_id":"vec_seg_101610_158","created_at":"2026-10-31T08:05:59Z","speaker_name":"Cierra Brown"},{"id":"seg_101610_159","meeting_id":"101610","media_asset_id":"med_101610_4bb4eac7bcf5cd5f","agenda_item_id":null,"speaker_id":"spk_101610_chair","speaker_confidence":0.9,"start_sec":1900.24,"end_sec":1902.28,"text":"Any questions so far?","topics_json":"[]","vector_id":"vec_seg_101610_159","created_at":"2026-10-31T08:05:59Z","speaker_name":null},{"id":"seg_101610_16","meeting_id":"101610","media_asset_id":"med_101610_4bb4eac7bcf5cd5f","agenda_item_id":null,"speaker_id":"spk_101610_sierra_brown","speaker_confidence":0.95,"start_sec":148,"end_sec":204.3,"text":"Yes, thank you, sir. Um, for the record, my name is Sierra Brown, Code Enforcement Officer with the City of Dover. In reference to case number 25-3259 for 118 Mitscher Road, this case originated on July 1st of 2025 in reference to a complaint about overgrowth and a fence falling down in the rear yard. Um, an initial inspection was performed on 7/1/2025 and found overgrown vegetation um along with wooden fence that was falling in the side and rear yard. On July 14th, uh received a call from the property owner uh Mrs. Deitrick in reference to the notice. Um, an extension was asked for and one was granted until September 1st of 2025. Then on August 28th of 2025, um Chief Code Enforcement Officer Eddie Kopp spoke with Mrs. Deitrick again um and some information was given to her on the reason for the notification that was sent. An on-site meeting was conducted with myself and Eddie Kopp on September 2nd. Violations were discussed so that they could be explained in person to show a little bit more as to what needed to be done to bring the property into compliance.","topics_json":"[]","vector_id":"vec_seg_101610_16","created_at":"2026-10-31T08:05:58Z","speaker_name":"Sierra Brown"},{"id":"seg_101610_160","meeting_id":"101610","media_asset_id":"med_101610_4bb4eac7bcf5cd5f","agenda_item_id":null,"speaker_id":"spk_101610_board_member","speaker_confidence":0.9,"start_sec":1902.82,"end_sec":1905.4,"text":"Yeah. Yes, uh uh, Chair.","topics_json":"[]","vector_id":"vec_seg_101610_160","created_at":"2026-10-31T08:05:59Z","speaker_name":null},{"id":"seg_101610_161","meeting_id":"101610","media_asset_id":"med_101610_4bb4eac7bcf5cd5f","agenda_item_id":null,"speaker_id":"spk_101610_chair","speaker_confidence":0.9,"start_sec":1905.42,"end_sec":1907.41,"text":"Yeah, Mr. Moving, you're you're recognized.","topics_json":"[]","vector_id":"vec_seg_101610_161","created_at":"2026-10-31T08:05:59Z","speaker_name":null},{"id":"seg_101610_162","meeting_id":"101610","media_asset_id":"med_101610_4bb4eac7bcf5cd5f","agenda_item_id":null,"speaker_id":"spk_101610_board_member","speaker_confidence":0.9,"start_sec":1908.04,"end_sec":1911.78,"text":"Thank you. Is that building on the campus of Delaware State University?","topics_json":"[\"code_enforcement\"]","vector_id":"vec_seg_101610_162","created_at":"2026-10-31T08:05:59Z","speaker_name":null},{"id":"seg_101610_163","meeting_id":"101610","media_asset_id":"med_101610_4bb4eac7bcf5cd5f","agenda_item_id":null,"speaker_id":"spk_101610_cierra_brown","speaker_confidence":0.95,"start_sec":1911.84,"end_sec":1912.65,"text":"Yes, sir.","topics_json":"[\"code_enforcement\"]","vector_id":"vec_seg_101610_163","created_at":"2026-10-31T08:05:59Z","speaker_name":"Cierra Brown"},{"id":"seg_101610_164","meeting_id":"101610","media_asset_id":"med_101610_4bb4eac7bcf5cd5f","agenda_item_id":null,"speaker_id":"spk_101610_board_member","speaker_confidence":0.9,"start_sec":1913.12,"end_sec":1914.44,"text":"Which building is it?","topics_json":"[\"code_enforcement\"]","vector_id":"vec_seg_101610_164","created_at":"2026-10-31T08:05:59Z","speaker_name":null},{"id":"seg_101610_165","meeting_id":"101610","media_asset_id":"med_101610_4bb4eac7bcf5cd5f","agenda_item_id":null,"speaker_id":"spk_101610_cierra_brown","speaker_confidence":0.95,"start_sec":1914.62,"end_sec":1917.24,"text":"It's going to be the Thomasson Building.","topics_json":"[\"code_enforcement\"]","vector_id":"vec_seg_101610_165","created_at":"2026-10-31T08:05:59Z","speaker_name":"Cierra Brown"},{"id":"seg_101610_166","meeting_id":"101610","media_asset_id":"med_101610_4bb4eac7bcf5cd5f","agenda_item_id":null,"speaker_id":"spk_101610_board_member","speaker_confidence":0.9,"start_sec":1918.78,"end_sec":1919.88,"text":"Is it in the back?","topics_json":"[\"code_enforcement\"]","vector_id":"vec_seg_101610_166","created_at":"2026-10-31T08:05:59Z","speaker_name":null},{"id":"seg_101610_167","meeting_id":"101610","media_asset_id":"med_101610_4bb4eac7bcf5cd5f","agenda_item_id":null,"speaker_id":"spk_101610_cierra_brown","speaker_confidence":0.95,"start_sec":1919.9,"end_sec":1921.65,"text":"I was going to say, toward the back.","topics_json":"[\"code_enforcement\"]","vector_id":"vec_seg_101610_167","created_at":"2026-10-31T08:05:59Z","speaker_name":"Cierra Brown"},{"id":"seg_101610_168","meeting_id":"101610","media_asset_id":"med_101610_4bb4eac7bcf5cd5f","agenda_item_id":null,"speaker_id":"spk_101610_khalid_zerrad","speaker_confidence":0.9,"start_sec":1921.78,"end_sec":1922.8,"text":"It's in the center.","topics_json":"[\"code_enforcement\"]","vector_id":"vec_seg_101610_168","created_at":"2026-10-31T08:05:59Z","speaker_name":"Khalid Zerrad"},{"id":"seg_101610_169","meeting_id":"101610","media_asset_id":"med_101610_4bb4eac7bcf5cd5f","agenda_item_id":null,"speaker_id":"spk_101610_cierra_brown","speaker_confidence":0.95,"start_sec":1922.82,"end_sec":1923.63,"text":"Yeah.","topics_json":"[]","vector_id":"vec_seg_101610_169","created_at":"2026-10-31T08:05:59Z","speaker_name":"Cierra Brown"},{"id":"seg_101610_17","meeting_id":"101610","media_asset_id":"med_101610_4bb4eac7bcf5cd5f","agenda_item_id":null,"speaker_id":"spk_101610_sierra_brown","speaker_confidence":0.95,"start_sec":205.1,"end_sec":296.2,"text":"Um, an exten- an additional extension was granted until October 6th of 2025. Second notice and $100 citation was sent on October 10th. Third notice, a $200 citation was sent on December 23rd of '25. Fourth inspection was conducted on February 24th, and an extension was granted due to icy conditions that were present at the time. A previous appeal on this case was denied on February 18th of 2026. Due to the denied appeal, an additional citation was sent on March 2nd of 2026. I did speak with Mr. Deitrick on April 16th. Um, we had some really good conversations in reference to this. He's very pleasant to work with. Um, an extension was given until May 18th to try to bring the property into compliance. Um, an additional extension was then granted until June 18th. Due to non-compliance on June 18th, another citation was sent on June 25th and again on July 29th. The Ju- July 29th citation is the one that is being appealed today. No other enforcement action has been taken since that appeal was received, and as of today at 2:21, the violations do still exist.","topics_json":"[]","vector_id":"vec_seg_101610_17","created_at":"2026-10-31T08:05:58Z","speaker_name":"Sierra Brown"},{"id":"seg_101610_170","meeting_id":"101610","media_asset_id":"med_101610_4bb4eac7bcf5cd5f","agenda_item_id":null,"speaker_id":"spk_101610_khalid_zerrad","speaker_confidence":0.9,"start_sec":1923.65,"end_sec":1927.88,"text":"In the center. Yeah, right by Conwell Hall, right by Conwell, yeah, right by the dining facility.","topics_json":"[\"code_enforcement\"]","vector_id":"vec_seg_101610_170","created_at":"2026-10-31T08:05:59Z","speaker_name":"Khalid Zerrad"},{"id":"seg_101610_171","meeting_id":"101610","media_asset_id":"med_101610_4bb4eac7bcf5cd5f","agenda_item_id":null,"speaker_id":"spk_101610_board_member","speaker_confidence":0.9,"start_sec":1933.52,"end_sec":1936.97,"text":"All right. And is it is it one of the historical buildings?","topics_json":"[\"code_enforcement\"]","vector_id":"vec_seg_101610_171","created_at":"2026-10-31T08:05:59Z","speaker_name":null},{"id":"seg_101610_172","meeting_id":"101610","media_asset_id":"med_101610_4bb4eac7bcf5cd5f","agenda_item_id":null,"speaker_id":"spk_101610_khalid_zerrad","speaker_confidence":0.9,"start_sec":1936.99,"end_sec":1939.91,"text":"No, no, it's not. It's not registered, no.","topics_json":"[\"code_enforcement\"]","vector_id":"vec_seg_101610_172","created_at":"2026-10-31T08:05:59Z","speaker_name":"Khalid Zerrad"},{"id":"seg_101610_173","meeting_id":"101610","media_asset_id":"med_101610_4bb4eac7bcf5cd5f","agenda_item_id":null,"speaker_id":"spk_101610_khalid_zerrad","speaker_confidence":0.9,"start_sec":1942.69,"end_sec":1945.91,"text":"Yeah, the only one that's on the registry is Loockerman Hall.","topics_json":"[\"code_enforcement\"]","vector_id":"vec_seg_101610_173","created_at":"2026-10-31T08:05:59Z","speaker_name":"Khalid Zerrad"},{"id":"seg_101610_174","meeting_id":"101610","media_asset_id":"med_101610_4bb4eac7bcf5cd5f","agenda_item_id":null,"speaker_id":"spk_101610_chair","speaker_confidence":0.9,"start_sec":1946.86,"end_sec":1950.55,"text":"Okay. Well, we'll give you an op Go ahead, sir, you're you're recognized.","topics_json":"[]","vector_id":"vec_seg_101610_174","created_at":"2026-10-31T08:05:59Z","speaker_name":null},{"id":"seg_101610_175","meeting_id":"101610","media_asset_id":"med_101610_4bb4eac7bcf5cd5f","agenda_item_id":null,"speaker_id":"spk_101610_khalid_zerrad","speaker_confidence":0.9,"start_sec":1951.02,"end_sec":1952.82,"text":"Can I start? Yes. Thank you, Mr. Chairman.","topics_json":"[]","vector_id":"vec_seg_101610_175","created_at":"2026-10-31T08:05:59Z","speaker_name":"Khalid Zerrad"},{"id":"seg_101610_176","meeting_id":"101610","media_asset_id":"med_101610_4bb4eac7bcf5cd5f","agenda_item_id":null,"speaker_id":"spk_101610_board_member","speaker_confidence":0.9,"start_sec":1952.92,"end_sec":1954.44,"text":"Okay, I yield I yield for now.","topics_json":"[]","vector_id":"vec_seg_101610_176","created_at":"2026-10-31T08:05:59Z","speaker_name":null},{"id":"seg_101610_177","meeting_id":"101610","media_asset_id":"med_101610_4bb4eac7bcf5cd5f","agenda_item_id":null,"speaker_id":"spk_101610_chair","speaker_confidence":0.9,"start_sec":1954.6,"end_sec":1955.55,"text":"All All right, thank you.","topics_json":"[]","vector_id":"vec_seg_101610_177","created_at":"2026-10-31T08:05:59Z","speaker_name":null},{"id":"seg_101610_178","meeting_id":"101610","media_asset_id":"med_101610_4bb4eac7bcf5cd5f","agenda_item_id":null,"speaker_id":"spk_101610_khalid_zerrad","speaker_confidence":0.9,"start_sec":1956.15,"end_sec":2155.03,"text":"So, I uh thank you, guys. Um, my name is uh Khalid, and I work for DSU. I just wanted to let you guys know that DSU was working on and still working in good faith to get this issue resolved. Uh, yes, uh we did hear from the city back in December of last year, but as you guys know, we operate for, you know, via state funds, so we have to have funds from the state to execute certain projects. This one in particular needed to be designed. So, I engaged with Becker Morgan Group I want to say late last year, and started that process with those guys. So, we ended up getting uh biddable documents uh I want to say around maybe April or May, and uh finalized those plans, and I do have a schedule here, and I can tell you guys when we submitted the uh the bid documents to the state. And those exhibits were sent to the state on June of 22nd. And the reason for that, because we needed to wait for the funding source to come from the state. Uh, there was appropriation comes around early June. Uh, so we advertised in July 2026, and uh we ended up uh scheduling a pre-bid July 27th, and we believe it or not, we just received proposals September 15th, and uh on September 25th, which is this Friday, there is a descope uh schedule with the uh uh with the uh lowest uh bidder. So, we are in progress to get, you know, things are moving forward to get the building down. I am uh generated a uh a master schedule earlier today so I can share with you guys. Looking at all this, we should have everything wrapped up by end of the year. So, contractor proposed that he can get everything done in 60 days. Uh like, you know, Ms. Brown said, the building is secured, and we do check it periodically to make sure nobody uh breached those uh closed uh entrances. Uh, what played a big part here is the funding. As you know with all state entities, you don't have fundings, you're not going to be able to execute projects. So, since uh funds were allocated to this project, uh bidding is pretty much wrapped up. There's only two components that are left, which is the contracting phase and the construction phase, which that's where where we're at right now. So, I mean, we are we are behaving in good faith.","topics_json":"[\"code_enforcement\",\"budget\"]","vector_id":"vec_seg_101610_178","created_at":"2026-10-31T08:05:59Z","speaker_name":"Khalid Zerrad"},{"id":"seg_101610_179","meeting_id":"101610","media_asset_id":"med_101610_4bb4eac7bcf5cd5f","agenda_item_id":null,"speaker_id":"spk_101610_chair","speaker_confidence":0.9,"start_sec":2155.96,"end_sec":2161.37,"text":"When When does the demolition permit get pulled in this process?","topics_json":"[\"code_enforcement\"]","vector_id":"vec_seg_101610_179","created_at":"2026-10-31T08:05:59Z","speaker_name":null},{"id":"seg_101610_18","meeting_id":"101610","media_asset_id":"med_101610_4bb4eac7bcf5cd5f","agenda_item_id":null,"speaker_id":"spk_101610_chair","speaker_confidence":0.9,"start_sec":296.7,"end_sec":300.2,"text":"Any questions thus far? Mr. Boggerty?","topics_json":"[]","vector_id":"vec_seg_101610_18","created_at":"2026-10-31T08:05:58Z","speaker_name":null},{"id":"seg_101610_180","meeting_id":"101610","media_asset_id":"med_101610_4bb4eac7bcf5cd5f","agenda_item_id":null,"speaker_id":"spk_101610_khalid_zerrad","speaker_confidence":0.9,"start_sec":2161.98,"end_sec":2164.42,"text":"Uh, once we wrap up contracting.","topics_json":"[\"code_enforcement\"]","vector_id":"vec_seg_101610_180","created_at":"2026-10-31T08:05:59Z","speaker_name":"Khalid Zerrad"},{"id":"seg_101610_181","meeting_id":"101610","media_asset_id":"med_101610_4bb4eac7bcf5cd5f","agenda_item_id":null,"speaker_id":"spk_101610_chair","speaker_confidence":0.9,"start_sec":2164.44,"end_sec":2166.77,"text":"Which is To sign on who's going to do it, right?","topics_json":"[\"code_enforcement\"]","vector_id":"vec_seg_101610_181","created_at":"2026-10-31T08:05:59Z","speaker_name":null},{"id":"seg_101610_182","meeting_id":"101610","media_asset_id":"med_101610_4bb4eac7bcf5cd5f","agenda_item_id":null,"speaker_id":"spk_101610_khalid_zerrad","speaker_confidence":0.9,"start_sec":2166.79,"end_sec":2213.19,"text":"We We already know. I I do have the lowest bidder. I mean, this information is public. You guys could log in and see it. Uh, but what we have to do, we have to descope with the contractor, they're out of New Jersey, uh, FR Benkey. They're the same company that's doing William Henry. Uh, we have to descope with those guys, go over both exhibits, make sure he understands all the particulars that are listed in the bid documents. Then at that point, all I need to do is draft a contract, send it through our legal counsel, get it signed, send it to them, get it signed, and we'll just have to put a requisition, send it to the state, and get a PO for them. That process usually what, 30 days.","topics_json":"[\"code_enforcement\",\"budget\"]","vector_id":"vec_seg_101610_182","created_at":"2026-10-31T08:05:59Z","speaker_name":"Khalid Zerrad"},{"id":"seg_101610_183","meeting_id":"101610","media_asset_id":"med_101610_4bb4eac7bcf5cd5f","agenda_item_id":null,"speaker_id":"spk_101610_chair","speaker_confidence":0.9,"start_sec":2214.91,"end_sec":2216.92,"text":"And when when's your fiscal year run?","topics_json":"[\"budget\"]","vector_id":"vec_seg_101610_183","created_at":"2026-10-31T08:05:59Z","speaker_name":null},{"id":"seg_101610_184","meeting_id":"101610","media_asset_id":"med_101610_4bb4eac7bcf5cd5f","agenda_item_id":null,"speaker_id":"spk_101610_khalid_zerrad","speaker_confidence":0.9,"start_sec":2217.47,"end_sec":2218.71,"text":"Uh, it it","topics_json":"[\"budget\"]","vector_id":"vec_seg_101610_184","created_at":"2026-10-31T08:05:59Z","speaker_name":"Khalid Zerrad"},{"id":"seg_101610_185","meeting_id":"101610","media_asset_id":"med_101610_4bb4eac7bcf5cd5f","agenda_item_id":null,"speaker_id":"spk_101610_chair","speaker_confidence":0.9,"start_sec":2218.73,"end_sec":2221.23,"text":"Is it June I mean, July 1 to June 30?","topics_json":"[\"budget\"]","vector_id":"vec_seg_101610_185","created_at":"2026-10-31T08:05:59Z","speaker_name":null},{"id":"seg_101610_186","meeting_id":"101610","media_asset_id":"med_101610_4bb4eac7bcf5cd5f","agenda_item_id":null,"speaker_id":"spk_101610_khalid_zerrad","speaker_confidence":0.9,"start_sec":2221.25,"end_sec":2222.53,"text":"July 1st to June 30th, yes.","topics_json":"[\"budget\"]","vector_id":"vec_seg_101610_186","created_at":"2026-10-31T08:05:59Z","speaker_name":"Khalid Zerrad"},{"id":"seg_101610_187","meeting_id":"101610","media_asset_id":"med_101610_4bb4eac7bcf5cd5f","agenda_item_id":null,"speaker_id":"spk_101610_chair","speaker_confidence":0.9,"start_sec":2222.55,"end_sec":2222.95,"text":"Okay.","topics_json":"[]","vector_id":"vec_seg_101610_187","created_at":"2026-10-31T08:05:59Z","speaker_name":null},{"id":"seg_101610_188","meeting_id":"101610","media_asset_id":"med_101610_4bb4eac7bcf5cd5f","agenda_item_id":null,"speaker_id":"spk_101610_chair","speaker_confidence":0.9,"start_sec":2224.6,"end_sec":2226.42,"text":"And then, you already know that this is funded already, or","topics_json":"[\"budget\"]","vector_id":"vec_seg_101610_188","created_at":"2026-10-31T08:05:59Z","speaker_name":null},{"id":"seg_101610_189","meeting_id":"101610","media_asset_id":"med_101610_4bb4eac7bcf5cd5f","agenda_item_id":null,"speaker_id":"spk_101610_khalid_zerrad","speaker_confidence":0.9,"start_sec":2226.44,"end_sec":2227.57,"text":"Yeah, yeah, it's funded.","topics_json":"[\"budget\"]","vector_id":"vec_seg_101610_189","created_at":"2026-10-31T08:05:59Z","speaker_name":"Khalid Zerrad"},{"id":"seg_101610_19","meeting_id":"101610","media_asset_id":"med_101610_4bb4eac7bcf5cd5f","agenda_item_id":null,"speaker_id":"off_andre_m_boggerty","speaker_confidence":0.95,"start_sec":300.9,"end_sec":302.2,"text":"No questions.","topics_json":"[]","vector_id":"vec_seg_101610_19","created_at":"2026-10-31T08:05:58Z","speaker_name":"Andre M. Boggerty"},{"id":"seg_101610_190","meeting_id":"101610","media_asset_id":"med_101610_4bb4eac7bcf5cd5f","agenda_item_id":null,"speaker_id":"spk_101610_chair","speaker_confidence":0.9,"start_sec":2227.59,"end_sec":2228.23,"text":"Okay.","topics_json":"[]","vector_id":"vec_seg_101610_190","created_at":"2026-10-31T08:05:59Z","speaker_name":null},{"id":"seg_101610_191","meeting_id":"101610","media_asset_id":"med_101610_4bb4eac7bcf5cd5f","agenda_item_id":null,"speaker_id":"spk_101610_khalid_zerrad","speaker_confidence":0.9,"start_sec":2228.25,"end_sec":2236.6,"text":"Yep, we have funding for it. That's something we had to work through earlier with the new appropriation from the state.","topics_json":"[\"budget\"]","vector_id":"vec_seg_101610_191","created_at":"2026-10-31T08:05:59Z","speaker_name":"Khalid Zerrad"},{"id":"seg_101610_192","meeting_id":"101610","media_asset_id":"med_101610_4bb4eac7bcf5cd5f","agenda_item_id":null,"speaker_id":"spk_101610_chair","speaker_confidence":0.9,"start_sec":2237.79,"end_sec":2245.46,"text":"A little bit just different situation, um, with with this circumstance, so what what do you think?","topics_json":"[]","vector_id":"vec_seg_101610_192","created_at":"2026-10-31T08:05:59Z","speaker_name":null},{"id":"seg_101610_193","meeting_id":"101610","media_asset_id":"med_101610_4bb4eac7bcf5cd5f","agenda_item_id":null,"speaker_id":"spk_101610_eddie_kopp","speaker_confidence":0.95,"start_sec":2246.58,"end_sec":2264.44,"text":"So, um, Right. So, yes, this is a unique situation, uh, but had there been communication with Code Enforcement along the way, the citations wouldn't have wouldn't have been issued. Um,","topics_json":"[\"code_enforcement\"]","vector_id":"vec_seg_101610_193","created_at":"2026-10-31T08:05:59Z","speaker_name":"Eddie Kopp"},{"id":"seg_101610_194","meeting_id":"101610","media_asset_id":"med_101610_4bb4eac7bcf5cd5f","agenda_item_id":null,"speaker_id":"spk_101610_khalid_zerrad","speaker_confidence":0.9,"start_sec":2264.84,"end_sec":2268.12,"text":"I can pull some emails. I think I've sent some emails to you guys.","topics_json":"[\"code_enforcement\"]","vector_id":"vec_seg_101610_194","created_at":"2026-10-31T08:05:59Z","speaker_name":"Khalid Zerrad"},{"id":"seg_101610_195","meeting_id":"101610","media_asset_id":"med_101610_4bb4eac7bcf5cd5f","agenda_item_id":null,"speaker_id":"spk_101610_eddie_kopp","speaker_confidence":0.95,"start_sec":2269.19,"end_sec":2271.89,"text":"um, during the timeframe that the citation was issued?","topics_json":"[\"code_enforcement\"]","vector_id":"vec_seg_101610_195","created_at":"2026-10-31T08:05:59Z","speaker_name":"Eddie Kopp"},{"id":"seg_101610_196","meeting_id":"101610","media_asset_id":"med_101610_4bb4eac7bcf5cd5f","agenda_item_id":null,"speaker_id":"spk_101610_khalid_zerrad","speaker_confidence":0.9,"start_sec":2272.92,"end_sec":2279.7,"text":"Well, no, I mean from from when after we met, I mean, there were some emails that were sent to you guys. And we're","topics_json":"[\"code_enforcement\"]","vector_id":"vec_seg_101610_196","created_at":"2026-10-31T08:05:59Z","speaker_name":"Khalid Zerrad"},{"id":"seg_101610_197","meeting_id":"101610","media_asset_id":"med_101610_4bb4eac7bcf5cd5f","agenda_item_id":null,"speaker_id":"spk_101610_cierra_brown","speaker_confidence":0.95,"start_sec":2279.99,"end_sec":2338.12,"text":"On on March 9th, I received an email. Um, that was the only email that was received without reaching out first from myself. Um, the email that was sent the day of the condemnation on December 11th, um, I made sure to state in an email that open communication would need to happen by the follow-up date each month to ensure that extensions extensions needed to be issued, we could do that. Um, like I stated, in January, I did not receive any email, so I had to reach out. Then I got the update, granted an extension. Um, no communication was received in March, no communication was received in April, no communication was received in May, um, and then in the appeal being received on August 27th was the last was the next communication that was received.","topics_json":"[\"code_enforcement\"]","vector_id":"vec_seg_101610_197","created_at":"2026-10-31T08:05:59Z","speaker_name":"Cierra Brown"},{"id":"seg_101610_198","meeting_id":"101610","media_asset_id":"med_101610_4bb4eac7bcf5cd5f","agenda_item_id":null,"speaker_id":"spk_101610_khalid_zerrad","speaker_confidence":0.9,"start_sec":2339.75,"end_sec":2359.42,"text":"Yeah, however, I mean, just I I want everybody to understand that. I wish I brought the emails. I mean, in the body of the emails, there were some specific information how DSU kind of managed projects and the timeline that takes for our projects to come into fruition, like","topics_json":"[\"code_enforcement\"]","vector_id":"vec_seg_101610_198","created_at":"2026-10-31T08:05:59Z","speaker_name":"Khalid Zerrad"},{"id":"seg_101610_199","meeting_id":"101610","media_asset_id":"med_101610_4bb4eac7bcf5cd5f","agenda_item_id":null,"speaker_id":"spk_101610_applicant","speaker_confidence":0.85,"start_sec":2359.45,"end_sec":2391.95,"text":"I did not have any updates in a month in like in a 30 day period, for example, because a lot of times it'll be December, January, I'm not going to know anything about funds until around mid-May, June before I even know what how much money the state's going to appropriate for next year. So, I just didn't want to waste their time sending a collage of emails with no content, so.","topics_json":"[\"budget\"]","vector_id":"vec_seg_101610_199","created_at":"2026-10-31T08:05:59Z","speaker_name":null},{"id":"seg_101610_2","meeting_id":"101610","media_asset_id":"med_101610_4bb4eac7bcf5cd5f","agenda_item_id":null,"speaker_id":"spk_101610_campana","speaker_confidence":0.85,"start_sec":17.1,"end_sec":19.5,"text":"I uh motion to accept.","topics_json":"[]","vector_id":"vec_seg_101610_2","created_at":"2026-10-31T08:05:58Z","speaker_name":"Campana"},{"id":"seg_101610_20","meeting_id":"101610","media_asset_id":"med_101610_4bb4eac7bcf5cd5f","agenda_item_id":null,"speaker_id":"spk_101610_chair","speaker_confidence":0.9,"start_sec":302.5,"end_sec":303.1,"text":"Okay.","topics_json":"[]","vector_id":"vec_seg_101610_20","created_at":"2026-10-31T08:05:58Z","speaker_name":null},{"id":"seg_101610_200","meeting_id":"101610","media_asset_id":"med_101610_4bb4eac7bcf5cd5f","agenda_item_id":null,"speaker_id":"spk_101610_eddie_kopp","speaker_confidence":0.9,"start_sec":2394.45,"end_sec":2474.45,"text":"If I may. So, Mr. Chair, the reason we require that, so we have some tangible evidence on why we are delaying enforcement, right? Because there's still an active violation in there. I understand, you know, purchasing and everything else with the state. We work with insurance companies all the time, you're not alone. So even private residents, there's times to where insurance companies are dragging their feet and that can go on. And all we ask for is, hey, provide us an update every month. And there are times to where we can send a notice of violation that can be used for the insurance company.","topics_json":"[\"housing\"]","vector_id":"vec_seg_101610_200","created_at":"2026-10-31T08:05:59Z","speaker_name":"Eddie Kopp"},{"id":"seg_101610_201","meeting_id":"101610","media_asset_id":"med_101610_4bb4eac7bcf5cd5f","agenda_item_id":null,"speaker_id":"spk_101610_eddie_kopp","speaker_confidence":0.9,"start_sec":2474.95,"end_sec":2563.25,"text":"So we do require that 30-day follow-up because in lack of follow-up it's basically the violation is being ignored and not that DSU is going to do this, but we have to be fair and consistent with everyone. Usually when communication stops, it's no longer their worry and they run away. So yes, it's unfortunate that you have the purchase of policy, but we have to be consistent with the way we treat everyone and although it may be repetitive, but that 30-day follow up is critical for these cases. Like I explained to everyone, everything we do can be FOIA requested, so we're just not If we're not holding you accountable, but we're holding John Doe over here accountable, they could show like we're being biased towards Right.","topics_json":"[\"housing\"]","vector_id":"vec_seg_101610_201","created_at":"2026-10-31T08:05:59Z","speaker_name":"Eddie Kopp"},{"id":"seg_101610_202","meeting_id":"101610","media_asset_id":"med_101610_4bb4eac7bcf5cd5f","agenda_item_id":null,"speaker_id":"spk_101610_applicant","speaker_confidence":0.85,"start_sec":2563.45,"end_sec":2591.45,"text":"Right. Well, I understand. With all due respect, I mean, I thought when I crafted an email with timelines and, you know, and valid information on how we kind of do things, I thought that was going to suffice. That was my bad. 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And it's not just for DSU, that's how we treat everyone, so.","topics_json":"[\"housing\"]","vector_id":"vec_seg_101610_203","created_at":"2026-10-31T08:05:59Z","speaker_name":"Eddie Kopp"},{"id":"seg_101610_204","meeting_id":"101610","media_asset_id":"med_101610_4bb4eac7bcf5cd5f","agenda_item_id":null,"speaker_id":"spk_101610_board_member","speaker_confidence":0.8,"start_sec":2611.45,"end_sec":2613.95,"text":"What is the pleasure of the board?","topics_json":"[]","vector_id":"vec_seg_101610_204","created_at":"2026-10-31T08:05:59Z","speaker_name":null},{"id":"seg_101610_205","meeting_id":"101610","media_asset_id":"med_101610_4bb4eac7bcf5cd5f","agenda_item_id":null,"speaker_id":"spk_101610_board_member_2","speaker_confidence":0.75,"start_sec":2614.95,"end_sec":2617.95,"text":"So by the end of December it's going to be gone?","topics_json":"[\"housing\"]","vector_id":"vec_seg_101610_205","created_at":"2026-10-31T08:05:59Z","speaker_name":null},{"id":"seg_101610_206","meeting_id":"101610","media_asset_id":"med_101610_4bb4eac7bcf5cd5f","agenda_item_id":null,"speaker_id":"spk_101610_applicant","speaker_confidence":0.85,"start_sec":2618.45,"end_sec":2688.45,"text":"Yeah, yeah, everything is in motion right now, yes. We did get bids, we have a descope scheduled for this Friday at 9:00. It's you know, it's public. So, and I'm hoping, you know, once If everything goes well, we can start drafting the contract and get this guy a PO and have him mobilize and take it down. It's like 60 days, that's that's what it says on his bid form, so.","topics_json":"[\"housing\"]","vector_id":"vec_seg_101610_206","created_at":"2026-10-31T08:05:59Z","speaker_name":null},{"id":"seg_101610_207","meeting_id":"101610","media_asset_id":"med_101610_4bb4eac7bcf5cd5f","agenda_item_id":null,"speaker_id":"spk_101610_board_member","speaker_confidence":0.8,"start_sec":2690.95,"end_sec":2694.95,"text":"What's the pleasure of the board? I'm ready to entertain a motion.","topics_json":"[]","vector_id":"vec_seg_101610_207","created_at":"2026-10-31T08:05:59Z","speaker_name":null},{"id":"seg_101610_208","meeting_id":"101610","media_asset_id":"med_101610_4bb4eac7bcf5cd5f","agenda_item_id":null,"speaker_id":"spk_101610_board_member_2","speaker_confidence":0.75,"start_sec":2695.95,"end_sec":2701.45,"text":"I motion we give them until the end of December.","topics_json":"[\"housing\"]","vector_id":"vec_seg_101610_208","created_at":"2026-10-31T08:05:59Z","speaker_name":null},{"id":"seg_101610_209","meeting_id":"101610","media_asset_id":"med_101610_4bb4eac7bcf5cd5f","agenda_item_id":null,"speaker_id":"spk_101610_board_member","speaker_confidence":0.8,"start_sec":2702.45,"end_sec":2704.95,"text":"So basically stay the case?","topics_json":"[\"housing\"]","vector_id":"vec_seg_101610_209","created_at":"2026-10-31T08:05:59Z","speaker_name":null},{"id":"seg_101610_21","meeting_id":"101610","media_asset_id":"med_101610_4bb4eac7bcf5cd5f","agenda_item_id":null,"speaker_id":"off_andre_m_boggerty","speaker_confidence":0.95,"start_sec":303.3,"end_sec":310.8,"text":"Can you say can you, I kind of mumbled, I kind of lost it. 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His email?","topics_json":"[\"housing\"]","vector_id":"vec_seg_101610_213","created_at":"2026-10-31T08:05:59Z","speaker_name":null},{"id":"seg_101610_214","meeting_id":"101610","media_asset_id":"med_101610_4bb4eac7bcf5cd5f","agenda_item_id":null,"speaker_id":"spk_101610_staff_member","speaker_confidence":0.8,"start_sec":2773.45,"end_sec":2778.45,"text":"Yep, if you don't have it, I'll give you one of my cards. It's the same email we contacted through before. Okay.","topics_json":"[\"housing\"]","vector_id":"vec_seg_101610_214","created_at":"2026-10-31T08:05:59Z","speaker_name":null},{"id":"seg_101610_215","meeting_id":"101610","media_asset_id":"med_101610_4bb4eac7bcf5cd5f","agenda_item_id":null,"speaker_id":"spk_101610_board_member","speaker_confidence":0.8,"start_sec":2779.45,"end_sec":2792.45,"text":"Okay, well, it's been properly moved to stay the case till December 31st, 2026. Do I have a second?","topics_json":"[\"housing\"]","vector_id":"vec_seg_101610_215","created_at":"2026-10-31T08:05:59Z","speaker_name":null},{"id":"seg_101610_216","meeting_id":"101610","media_asset_id":"med_101610_4bb4eac7bcf5cd5f","agenda_item_id":null,"speaker_id":"off_andre_m_boggerty","speaker_confidence":0.85,"start_sec":2793.45,"end_sec":2794.95,"text":"Boggerty second.","topics_json":"[\"housing\"]","vector_id":"vec_seg_101610_216","created_at":"2026-10-31T08:05:59Z","speaker_name":"Andre M. Boggerty"},{"id":"seg_101610_217","meeting_id":"101610","media_asset_id":"med_101610_4bb4eac7bcf5cd5f","agenda_item_id":null,"speaker_id":"spk_101610_board_member","speaker_confidence":0.8,"start_sec":2795.45,"end_sec":2799.45,"text":"It's been properly moved and seconded. Any discussion on the motion?","topics_json":"[]","vector_id":"vec_seg_101610_217","created_at":"2026-10-31T08:05:59Z","speaker_name":null},{"id":"seg_101610_218","meeting_id":"101610","media_asset_id":"med_101610_4bb4eac7bcf5cd5f","agenda_item_id":null,"speaker_id":"spk_101610_staff_member","speaker_confidence":0.8,"start_sec":2800.45,"end_sec":2805.95,"text":"Yes. May I ask for clarification? Does that stay the fine as well, just so it's spelled out? Thank you.","topics_json":"[\"housing\"]","vector_id":"vec_seg_101610_218","created_at":"2026-10-31T08:05:59Z","speaker_name":null},{"id":"seg_101610_219","meeting_id":"101610","media_asset_id":"med_101610_4bb4eac7bcf5cd5f","agenda_item_id":null,"speaker_id":"spk_101610_board_member","speaker_confidence":0.8,"start_sec":2806.45,"end_sec":2813.95,"text":"Stays the fine as well. Any any further discussion? All in favor, please state by saying aye.","topics_json":"[\"housing\"]","vector_id":"vec_seg_101610_219","created_at":"2026-10-31T08:05:59Z","speaker_name":null},{"id":"seg_101610_22","meeting_id":"101610","media_asset_id":"med_101610_4bb4eac7bcf5cd5f","agenda_item_id":null,"speaker_id":"spk_101610_sierra_brown","speaker_confidence":0.95,"start_sec":311.2,"end_sec":326.6,"text":"So, the original um inspection and reinspections after that revealed that wooden fence panels in the side yard had fallen. It appeared to be due to the extreme amount of overgrowth that had caused deterioration of the fence.","topics_json":"[]","vector_id":"vec_seg_101610_22","created_at":"2026-10-31T08:05:58Z","speaker_name":"Sierra Brown"},{"id":"seg_101610_220","meeting_id":"101610","media_asset_id":"med_101610_4bb4eac7bcf5cd5f","agenda_item_id":null,"speaker_id":"spk_101610_board_member_2","speaker_confidence":0.75,"start_sec":2814.45,"end_sec":2815.25,"text":"Aye.","topics_json":"[]","vector_id":"vec_seg_101610_220","created_at":"2026-10-31T08:05:59Z","speaker_name":null},{"id":"seg_101610_221","meeting_id":"101610","media_asset_id":"med_101610_4bb4eac7bcf5cd5f","agenda_item_id":null,"speaker_id":"off_andre_m_boggerty","speaker_confidence":0.85,"start_sec":2815.45,"end_sec":2816.45,"text":"Aye.","topics_json":"[]","vector_id":"vec_seg_101610_221","created_at":"2026-10-31T08:05:59Z","speaker_name":"Andre M. Boggerty"},{"id":"seg_101610_222","meeting_id":"101610","media_asset_id":"med_101610_4bb4eac7bcf5cd5f","agenda_item_id":null,"speaker_id":"spk_101610_board_member","speaker_confidence":0.8,"start_sec":2816.95,"end_sec":2861.95,"text":"Any opposed? Motion carries. Thank you, sir. Next item on the agenda is the appeal of case 26-00002654 and related fines for 151 North Queen Street, Elaine and Coleman Investment LLC. Is there anyone here representing? Miss Moseley's on the line. Miss Moseley.","topics_json":"[\"housing\"]","vector_id":"vec_seg_101610_222","created_at":"2026-10-31T08:05:59Z","speaker_name":null},{"id":"seg_101610_223","meeting_id":"101610","media_asset_id":"med_101610_4bb4eac7bcf5cd5f","agenda_item_id":null,"speaker_id":"spk_101610_board_member","speaker_confidence":0.8,"start_sec":2891.95,"end_sec":2895.45,"text":"Okay. Who's got that? You? Okay. Mr. Kopp, are you ready to present?","topics_json":"[]","vector_id":"vec_seg_101610_223","created_at":"2026-10-31T08:05:59Z","speaker_name":null},{"id":"seg_101610_224","meeting_id":"101610","media_asset_id":"med_101610_4bb4eac7bcf5cd5f","agenda_item_id":null,"speaker_id":"spk_101610_eddie_kopp","speaker_confidence":0.9,"start_sec":2896.45,"end_sec":2899.45,"text":"Eddie Kopp, Chief Code Enforcement Officer.","topics_json":"[]","vector_id":"vec_seg_101610_224","created_at":"2026-10-31T08:05:59Z","speaker_name":"Eddie Kopp"},{"id":"seg_101610_225","meeting_id":"101610","media_asset_id":"med_101610_4bb4eac7bcf5cd5f","agenda_item_id":null,"speaker_id":"spk_101610_eddie_kopp","speaker_confidence":0.9,"start_sec":2910.95,"end_sec":2964.45,"text":"I am presenting this case on behalf of John England. At the time this appeal board was scheduled, John had a had already had an appointment scheduled, so that's why he's not here.","topics_json":"[\"housing\"]","vector_id":"vec_seg_101610_225","created_at":"2026-10-31T08:05:59Z","speaker_name":"Eddie Kopp"},{"id":"seg_101610_226","meeting_id":"101610","media_asset_id":"med_101610_4bb4eac7bcf5cd5f","agenda_item_id":null,"speaker_id":"spk_101610_eddie_kopp","speaker_confidence":0.9,"start_sec":2965.45,"end_sec":3012.45,"text":"So I'm going to read the notes from Mr. England. This case started on 4/8 of 2026 where Mr. England was notified by customer service via email that the utilities were terminated on 4/7/2026. On On July 7, 2026, the case was opened after 90 days of no service. Vacant building letter was mailed certified and the property owner had 30 days to register and pay the $375 fee, which would have been August 7, 2026. On August 10, 2026, the property was not registered and Mr. England registered the the property on behalf of the owner and sent a letter advising as such. This is in accordance with the vacant building ordinance.","topics_json":"[\"housing\"]","vector_id":"vec_seg_101610_226","created_at":"2026-10-31T08:05:59Z","speaker_name":"Eddie Kopp"},{"id":"seg_101610_227","meeting_id":"101610","media_asset_id":"med_101610_4bb4eac7bcf5cd5f","agenda_item_id":null,"speaker_id":"spk_101610_eddie_kopp","speaker_confidence":0.9,"start_sec":3013.45,"end_sec":3067.95,"text":"The mail was signed for It says the mail was signed for, but on 8/19 of 2026, the returned certified mail was posted on the door at 9:53 a.m. Let me just look, cuz I'm reading his notes, but Hm. So it looks like the mail was signed for, however, it was returned at the same time, so I don't know how that happened.","topics_json":"[\"housing\"]","vector_id":"vec_seg_101610_227","created_at":"2026-10-31T08:05:59Z","speaker_name":"Eddie Kopp"},{"id":"seg_101610_228","meeting_id":"101610","media_asset_id":"med_101610_4bb4eac7bcf5cd5f","agenda_item_id":null,"speaker_id":"spk_101610_eddie_kopp","speaker_confidence":0.9,"start_sec":3083.95,"end_sec":3097.45,"text":"But it was signed for Okay, so it looks like the registration notice was signed for and then the notice that was registered was returned, so that was posted on the door. Just for clarification.","topics_json":"[\"housing\"]","vector_id":"vec_seg_101610_228","created_at":"2026-10-31T08:05:59Z","speaker_name":"Eddie Kopp"},{"id":"seg_101610_229","meeting_id":"101610","media_asset_id":"med_101610_4bb4eac7bcf5cd5f","agenda_item_id":null,"speaker_id":"spk_101610_eddie_kopp","speaker_confidence":0.9,"start_sec":3100.45,"end_sec":3163.45,"text":"It does appear that the property was deemed vacant due to the lack of utilities. So there was no utilities at the property. By code, a property is not habitable without utilities, so therefore, it would be deemed vacant.","topics_json":"[\"housing\"]","vector_id":"vec_seg_101610_229","created_at":"2026-10-31T08:05:59Z","speaker_name":"Eddie Kopp"},{"id":"seg_101610_23","meeting_id":"101610","media_asset_id":"med_101610_4bb4eac7bcf5cd5f","agenda_item_id":null,"speaker_id":"off_andre_m_boggerty","speaker_confidence":0.95,"start_sec":327.3,"end_sec":331.4,"text":"Okay. Okay, and and and how was it brought to the attention of code enforcement?","topics_json":"[]","vector_id":"vec_seg_101610_23","created_at":"2026-10-31T08:05:58Z","speaker_name":"Andre M. Boggerty"},{"id":"seg_101610_230","meeting_id":"101610","media_asset_id":"med_101610_4bb4eac7bcf5cd5f","agenda_item_id":null,"speaker_id":"spk_101610_board_member","speaker_confidence":0.8,"start_sec":3163.95,"end_sec":3174.45,"text":"And this all happened in this year, 2026? That's correct. And he got notified that the utilities were cut off and waited the 90 days to see if they would be cut back on? That's correct.","topics_json":"[\"housing\"]","vector_id":"vec_seg_101610_230","created_at":"2026-10-31T08:05:59Z","speaker_name":null},{"id":"seg_101610_231","meeting_id":"101610","media_asset_id":"med_101610_4bb4eac7bcf5cd5f","agenda_item_id":null,"speaker_id":"spk_101610_board_member","speaker_confidence":0.8,"start_sec":3175.45,"end_sec":3185.95,"text":"Okay. All right, so anybody have anything to add? Do we want to hear from Miss Moseley? Miss Moseley, can you hear us?","topics_json":"[\"housing\"]","vector_id":"vec_seg_101610_231","created_at":"2026-10-31T08:05:59Z","speaker_name":null},{"id":"seg_101610_232","meeting_id":"101610","media_asset_id":"med_101610_4bb4eac7bcf5cd5f","agenda_item_id":null,"speaker_id":"spk_101610_elaine_moseley","speaker_confidence":0.9,"start_sec":3186.45,"end_sec":3187.95,"text":"I can hear you clearly.","topics_json":"[]","vector_id":"vec_seg_101610_232","created_at":"2026-10-31T08:05:59Z","speaker_name":"Elaine Moseley"},{"id":"seg_101610_233","meeting_id":"101610","media_asset_id":"med_101610_4bb4eac7bcf5cd5f","agenda_item_id":null,"speaker_id":"spk_101610_board_member","speaker_confidence":0.8,"start_sec":3188.45,"end_sec":3190.95,"text":"Okay, do you have anything you wanted to add?","topics_json":"[]","vector_id":"vec_seg_101610_233","created_at":"2026-10-31T08:05:59Z","speaker_name":null},{"id":"seg_101610_234","meeting_id":"101610","media_asset_id":"med_101610_4bb4eac7bcf5cd5f","agenda_item_id":null,"speaker_id":"spk_101610_elaine_moseley","speaker_confidence":0.9,"start_sec":3191.45,"end_sec":3215.95,"text":"Certainly, certainly. Uh this is a rental property and we were in the process of an eviction uh when the uh utilities were terminated in April. We uh went through the entire process and were granted um uh the property back to us July 7th.","topics_json":"[\"housing\"]","vector_id":"vec_seg_101610_234","created_at":"2026-10-31T08:05:59Z","speaker_name":"Elaine Moseley"},{"id":"seg_101610_235","meeting_id":"101610","media_asset_id":"med_101610_4bb4eac7bcf5cd5f","agenda_item_id":null,"speaker_id":"spk_101610_elaine_moseley","speaker_confidence":0.9,"start_sec":3216.45,"end_sec":3275.45,"text":"And I included a copy of our summary possession of that. Uh and then, of course, then we received the notice that we were being um placed on the uh vacancy list. And uh and then I appealed.","topics_json":"[\"housing\"]","vector_id":"vec_seg_101610_235","created_at":"2026-10-31T08:05:59Z","speaker_name":"Elaine Moseley"},{"id":"seg_101610_236","meeting_id":"101610","media_asset_id":"med_101610_4bb4eac7bcf5cd5f","agenda_item_id":null,"speaker_id":"spk_101610_board_member","speaker_confidence":0.8,"start_sec":3275.95,"end_sec":3286.25,"text":"Okay, so in in that timeframe, up to this date, is there still no electric at the rental property?","topics_json":"[\"housing\"]","vector_id":"vec_seg_101610_236","created_at":"2026-10-31T08:05:59Z","speaker_name":null},{"id":"seg_101610_237","meeting_id":"101610","media_asset_id":"med_101610_4bb4eac7bcf5cd5f","agenda_item_id":null,"speaker_id":"spk_101610_elaine_moseley","speaker_confidence":0.9,"start_sec":3286.45,"end_sec":3315.45,"text":"Correct. There is no uh electric not due to this particular property. However, we have an additional property that affects all of the other properties. So um as far as I can't have any electric turned on on that property and that property is ready to go, except for the exterior door, I see some some issues, but however, it's ready to go. So","topics_json":"[\"housing\"]","vector_id":"vec_seg_101610_237","created_at":"2026-10-31T08:05:59Z","speaker_name":"Elaine Moseley"},{"id":"seg_101610_238","meeting_id":"101610","media_asset_id":"med_101610_4bb4eac7bcf5cd5f","agenda_item_id":null,"speaker_id":"spk_101610_elaine_moseley","speaker_confidence":0.9,"start_sec":3315.95,"end_sec":3373.45,"text":"I'm working with Mr. Kopp, I just as far as we've only had the property for a month and then it's deemed vacant. We'd like to turn on the utilities. However, um fees or fines from one other property which has been deemed vacant uh affects all of the other properties.","topics_json":"[\"housing\"]","vector_id":"vec_seg_101610_238","created_at":"2026-10-31T08:05:59Z","speaker_name":"Elaine Moseley"},{"id":"seg_101610_239","meeting_id":"101610","media_asset_id":"med_101610_4bb4eac7bcf5cd5f","agenda_item_id":null,"speaker_id":"spk_101610_board_member","speaker_confidence":0.8,"start_sec":3383.45,"end_sec":3386.25,"text":"What, cuz it's under the same electrical electric account?","topics_json":"[\"housing\"]","vector_id":"vec_seg_101610_239","created_at":"2026-10-31T08:05:59Z","speaker_name":null},{"id":"seg_101610_24","meeting_id":"101610","media_asset_id":"med_101610_4bb4eac7bcf5cd5f","agenda_item_id":null,"speaker_id":"spk_101610_sierra_brown","speaker_confidence":0.95,"start_sec":331.8,"end_sec":335.7,"text":"This was brought to the attention of code enforcement via a citizen complaint.","topics_json":"[]","vector_id":"vec_seg_101610_24","created_at":"2026-10-31T08:05:58Z","speaker_name":"Sierra Brown"},{"id":"seg_101610_240","meeting_id":"101610","media_asset_id":"med_101610_4bb4eac7bcf5cd5f","agenda_item_id":null,"speaker_id":"spk_101610_elaine_moseley","speaker_confidence":0.9,"start_sec":3386.45,"end_sec":3406.45,"text":"Because it's owned by the same persons. So if you own one property and have a fine, like uh my rental permits, I submitted payments for all of those for the other properties, they were denied all on a separate property that is not part of our rental system, it's it's our our our our home.","topics_json":"[\"housing\",\"taxes\"]","vector_id":"vec_seg_101610_240","created_at":"2026-10-31T08:05:59Z","speaker_name":"Elaine Moseley"},{"id":"seg_101610_241","meeting_id":"101610","media_asset_id":"med_101610_4bb4eac7bcf5cd5f","agenda_item_id":null,"speaker_id":"spk_101610_eddie_kopp","speaker_confidence":0.9,"start_sec":3409.45,"end_sec":3414.95,"text":"No, so she's referencing Clean Hands. So she's subject to Clean Hands, which is why","topics_json":"[\"housing\"]","vector_id":"vec_seg_101610_241","created_at":"2026-10-31T08:05:59Z","speaker_name":"Eddie Kopp"},{"id":"seg_101610_242","meeting_id":"101610","media_asset_id":"med_101610_4bb4eac7bcf5cd5f","agenda_item_id":null,"speaker_id":"spk_101610_board_member","speaker_confidence":0.8,"start_sec":3415.45,"end_sec":3416.45,"text":"Clean Hands","topics_json":"[]","vector_id":"vec_seg_101610_242","created_at":"2026-10-31T08:05:59Z","speaker_name":null},{"id":"seg_101610_243","meeting_id":"101610","media_asset_id":"med_101610_4bb4eac7bcf5cd5f","agenda_item_id":null,"speaker_id":"spk_101610_eddie_kopp","speaker_confidence":0.9,"start_sec":3416.65,"end_sec":3421.95,"text":"Clean Hands. Because all all outstanding fines owed to the city have to be brought current.","topics_json":"[\"housing\",\"taxes\"]","vector_id":"vec_seg_101610_243","created_at":"2026-10-31T08:05:59Z","speaker_name":"Eddie Kopp"},{"id":"seg_101610_244","meeting_id":"101610","media_asset_id":"med_101610_4bb4eac7bcf5cd5f","agenda_item_id":null,"speaker_id":"spk_101610_board_member","speaker_confidence":0.8,"start_sec":3422.45,"end_sec":3425.45,"text":"Oh, so they can't put Correct. Okay, got it.","topics_json":"[]","vector_id":"vec_seg_101610_244","created_at":"2026-10-31T08:05:59Z","speaker_name":null},{"id":"seg_101610_245","meeting_id":"101610","media_asset_id":"med_101610_4bb4eac7bcf5cd5f","agenda_item_id":null,"speaker_id":"spk_101610_eddie_kopp","speaker_confidence":0.9,"start_sec":3426.45,"end_sec":3432.45,"text":"So I believe uh the licensing staff flagged this for Clean Hands due to uh outstanding fees.","topics_json":"[\"housing\",\"taxes\"]","vector_id":"vec_seg_101610_245","created_at":"2026-10-31T08:05:59Z","speaker_name":"Eddie Kopp"},{"id":"seg_101610_246","meeting_id":"101610","media_asset_id":"med_101610_4bb4eac7bcf5cd5f","agenda_item_id":null,"speaker_id":"spk_101610_board_member","speaker_confidence":0.8,"start_sec":3432.95,"end_sec":3435.45,"text":"And is there a current rental license on the property?","topics_json":"[\"housing\"]","vector_id":"vec_seg_101610_246","created_at":"2026-10-31T08:05:59Z","speaker_name":null},{"id":"seg_101610_247","meeting_id":"101610","media_asset_id":"med_101610_4bb4eac7bcf5cd5f","agenda_item_id":null,"speaker_id":"spk_101610_eddie_kopp","speaker_confidence":0.9,"start_sec":3435.95,"end_sec":3436.95,"text":"There is not.","topics_json":"[\"housing\"]","vector_id":"vec_seg_101610_247","created_at":"2026-10-31T08:05:59Z","speaker_name":"Eddie Kopp"},{"id":"seg_101610_248","meeting_id":"101610","media_asset_id":"med_101610_4bb4eac7bcf5cd5f","agenda_item_id":null,"speaker_id":"spk_101610_elaine_moseley","speaker_confidence":0.9,"start_sec":3437.45,"end_sec":3445.45,"text":"Uh, please let them know that it was applied for and paid for and and it was not accepted.","topics_json":"[\"housing\"]","vector_id":"vec_seg_101610_248","created_at":"2026-10-31T08:05:59Z","speaker_name":"Elaine Moseley"},{"id":"seg_101610_249","meeting_id":"101610","media_asset_id":"med_101610_4bb4eac7bcf5cd5f","agenda_item_id":null,"speaker_id":"spk_101610_board_member","speaker_confidence":0.8,"start_sec":3445.65,"end_sec":3448.45,"text":"Because of the situation?","topics_json":"[\"housing\"]","vector_id":"vec_seg_101610_249","created_at":"2026-10-31T08:05:59Z","speaker_name":null},{"id":"seg_101610_25","meeting_id":"101610","media_asset_id":"med_101610_4bb4eac7bcf5cd5f","agenda_item_id":null,"speaker_id":"off_andre_m_boggerty","speaker_confidence":0.95,"start_sec":336.8,"end_sec":339.6,"text":"Via who? A citizen complaint. Okay, I got you. Thank you.","topics_json":"[]","vector_id":"vec_seg_101610_25","created_at":"2026-10-31T08:05:58Z","speaker_name":"Andre M. Boggerty"},{"id":"seg_101610_250","meeting_id":"101610","media_asset_id":"med_101610_4bb4eac7bcf5cd5f","agenda_item_id":null,"speaker_id":"spk_101610_elaine_moseley","speaker_confidence":0.9,"start_sec":3448.65,"end_sec":3457.45,"text":"Because of Clean Hands, I think is what he Okay. mentioned, something like that concerning a different property, yes, which is not a rental property.","topics_json":"[\"housing\"]","vector_id":"vec_seg_101610_250","created_at":"2026-10-31T08:05:59Z","speaker_name":"Elaine Moseley"},{"id":"seg_101610_251","meeting_id":"101610","media_asset_id":"med_101610_4bb4eac7bcf5cd5f","agenda_item_id":null,"speaker_id":"spk_101610_elaine_moseley","speaker_confidence":0.9,"start_sec":3458.45,"end_sec":3475.95,"text":"And well, I'll leave that alone because that's that's a whole 'nother story with that property. Okay. It is a property that is vacant at this time, however, we pay utilities on the property, we have an alarm system on the property, yet they want us to to pay the vacancy fee.","topics_json":"[\"housing\"]","vector_id":"vec_seg_101610_251","created_at":"2026-10-31T08:05:59Z","speaker_name":"Elaine Moseley"},{"id":"seg_101610_252","meeting_id":"101610","media_asset_id":"med_101610_4bb4eac7bcf5cd5f","agenda_item_id":null,"speaker_id":"spk_101610_elaine_moseley","speaker_confidence":0.9,"start_sec":3479.45,"end_sec":3492.95,"text":"So that is now affecting the other properties like this one where I cannot turn on the utilities and would like to. So that's the last conversation I had with Mr. Kopp.","topics_json":"[\"housing\"]","vector_id":"vec_seg_101610_252","created_at":"2026-10-31T08:05:59Z","speaker_name":"Elaine Moseley"},{"id":"seg_101610_253","meeting_id":"101610","media_asset_id":"med_101610_4bb4eac7bcf5cd5f","agenda_item_id":null,"speaker_id":"spk_101610_board_member","speaker_confidence":0.8,"start_sec":3500.45,"end_sec":3503.95,"text":"What do you think? Mr. Kopp, what's your recommendation?","topics_json":"[]","vector_id":"vec_seg_101610_253","created_at":"2026-10-31T08:05:59Z","speaker_name":null},{"id":"seg_101610_254","meeting_id":"101610","media_asset_id":"med_101610_4bb4eac7bcf5cd5f","agenda_item_id":null,"speaker_id":"spk_101610_eddie_kopp","speaker_confidence":0.9,"start_sec":3504.95,"end_sec":3524.45,"text":"Um at at this time the property is vacant in accordance with the City of Dover code of ordinances. Code Enforcement would recommend denying the appeal based on the the fact that it does meet the requirement of a vacant building under chapter 22.","topics_json":"[\"housing\"]","vector_id":"vec_seg_101610_254","created_at":"2026-10-31T08:05:59Z","speaker_name":"Eddie Kopp"},{"id":"seg_101610_255","meeting_id":"101610","media_asset_id":"med_101610_4bb4eac7bcf5cd5f","agenda_item_id":null,"speaker_id":"spk_101610_board_member_2","speaker_confidence":0.75,"start_sec":3526.45,"end_sec":3529.45,"text":"One more question, what's his outstanding fines that you","topics_json":"[\"housing\",\"taxes\"]","vector_id":"vec_seg_101610_255","created_at":"2026-10-31T08:05:59Z","speaker_name":null},{"id":"seg_101610_256","meeting_id":"101610","media_asset_id":"med_101610_4bb4eac7bcf5cd5f","agenda_item_id":null,"speaker_id":"spk_101610_eddie_kopp","speaker_confidence":0.9,"start_sec":3529.95,"end_sec":3539.15,"text":"So so Clean Hands would be any fees against a property owner, which there is another another property that does have a vacant building case on it that's it's being held up by Clean Hands.","topics_json":"[\"housing\",\"taxes\"]","vector_id":"vec_seg_101610_256","created_at":"2026-10-31T08:05:59Z","speaker_name":"Eddie Kopp"},{"id":"seg_101610_257","meeting_id":"101610","media_asset_id":"med_101610_4bb4eac7bcf5cd5f","agenda_item_id":null,"speaker_id":"spk_101610_eddie_kopp","speaker_confidence":0.95,"start_sec":3539.17,"end_sec":3544.57,"text":"determination, determination today would be whether to keep the fee or to waive the fee.","topics_json":"[\"housing\"]","vector_id":"vec_seg_101610_257","created_at":"2026-10-31T08:05:59Z","speaker_name":"Eddie Kopp"},{"id":"seg_101610_258","meeting_id":"101610","media_asset_id":"med_101610_4bb4eac7bcf5cd5f","agenda_item_id":null,"speaker_id":"spk_101610_board_member","speaker_confidence":0.9,"start_sec":3544.87,"end_sec":3546.57,"text":"You're talking about the 375?","topics_json":"[\"housing\"]","vector_id":"vec_seg_101610_258","created_at":"2026-10-31T08:05:59Z","speaker_name":null},{"id":"seg_101610_259","meeting_id":"101610","media_asset_id":"med_101610_4bb4eac7bcf5cd5f","agenda_item_id":null,"speaker_id":"spk_101610_eddie_kopp","speaker_confidence":0.95,"start_sec":3546.87,"end_sec":3548.57,"text":"The 375, yes.","topics_json":"[\"housing\"]","vector_id":"vec_seg_101610_259","created_at":"2026-10-31T08:05:59Z","speaker_name":"Eddie Kopp"},{"id":"seg_101610_26","meeting_id":"101610","media_asset_id":"med_101610_4bb4eac7bcf5cd5f","agenda_item_id":null,"speaker_id":"spk_101610_sierra_brown","speaker_confidence":0.95,"start_sec":339.8,"end_sec":340.5,"text":"You're welcome.","topics_json":"[]","vector_id":"vec_seg_101610_26","created_at":"2026-10-31T08:05:58Z","speaker_name":"Sierra Brown"},{"id":"seg_101610_260","meeting_id":"101610","media_asset_id":"med_101610_4bb4eac7bcf5cd5f","agenda_item_id":null,"speaker_id":"spk_101610_board_member","speaker_confidence":0.9,"start_sec":3548.87,"end_sec":3552.97,"text":"What if they pay the 375, the 5,000 is still there, right?","topics_json":"[\"housing\"]","vector_id":"vec_seg_101610_260","created_at":"2026-10-31T08:05:59Z","speaker_name":null},{"id":"seg_101610_261","meeting_id":"101610","media_asset_id":"med_101610_4bb4eac7bcf5cd5f","agenda_item_id":null,"speaker_id":"spk_101610_eddie_kopp","speaker_confidence":0.95,"start_sec":3553.07,"end_sec":3554.37,"text":"That's correct.","topics_json":"[\"housing\"]","vector_id":"vec_seg_101610_261","created_at":"2026-10-31T08:05:59Z","speaker_name":"Eddie Kopp"},{"id":"seg_101610_262","meeting_id":"101610","media_asset_id":"med_101610_4bb4eac7bcf5cd5f","agenda_item_id":null,"speaker_id":"spk_101610_eddie_kopp","speaker_confidence":0.95,"start_sec":3554.87,"end_sec":3574.17,"text":"So, no action today would override the the uh the Clean Hands Ordinance because it's not subject to appeal. What's subject to appeal is is specific to case 26 26-54 in reference to the vacant building case.","topics_json":"[\"housing\"]","vector_id":"vec_seg_101610_262","created_at":"2026-10-31T08:05:59Z","speaker_name":"Eddie Kopp"},{"id":"seg_101610_263","meeting_id":"101610","media_asset_id":"med_101610_4bb4eac7bcf5cd5f","agenda_item_id":null,"speaker_id":"spk_101610_chair","speaker_confidence":0.9,"start_sec":3575.37,"end_sec":3605.97,"text":"Now if if uh if she has a payment plan established with customer service, where does How You probably can't answer this, but how does Clean Hands Ms. Duca, would you know about the Clean Hands? 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Each year, I had paid the vacancy fee through payments, and the There was an issue for for last year and that's where we're having an an issue. But I've been paying it annually, the the vacancy fee. So that's why we haven't been here. And I have no problem paying, you know, a portion of that vacancy fee to so we're up to 2026 and this $5,000.","topics_json":"[\"housing\"]","vector_id":"vec_seg_101610_266","created_at":"2026-10-31T08:05:59Z","speaker_name":"Ms. Moseley"},{"id":"seg_101610_267","meeting_id":"101610","media_asset_id":"med_101610_4bb4eac7bcf5cd5f","agenda_item_id":null,"speaker_id":"spk_101610_eddie_kopp","speaker_confidence":0.95,"start_sec":3667.07,"end_sec":3699.97,"text":"So for clarification, because she's been making payments on a self-made payment plan, there's there's no contract or no document um with the city. 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Certainly does, and I will reach out to them tomorrow.","topics_json":"[\"housing\"]","vector_id":"vec_seg_101610_277","created_at":"2026-10-31T08:05:59Z","speaker_name":"Ms. Moseley"},{"id":"seg_101610_278","meeting_id":"101610","media_asset_id":"med_101610_4bb4eac7bcf5cd5f","agenda_item_id":null,"speaker_id":"spk_101610_chair","speaker_confidence":0.9,"start_sec":3724.97,"end_sec":3728.87,"text":"All right. Very good. I will uh uh Mr. Boggerty, you're recognized.","topics_json":"[]","vector_id":"vec_seg_101610_278","created_at":"2026-10-31T08:05:59Z","speaker_name":null},{"id":"seg_101610_279","meeting_id":"101610","media_asset_id":"med_101610_4bb4eac7bcf5cd5f","agenda_item_id":null,"speaker_id":"off_andre_m_boggerty","speaker_confidence":0.95,"start_sec":3729.37,"end_sec":3774.97,"text":"No, you you all I put my hand down because you all answered it because it it appears to me Thank you, Chair, first of all. It appears to me that there's been a good faith to at least address it and it wasn't completely ignored. And um and um so I I'll I'll I won't continue, but I just I uh you answered my questions, but there is good faith. Um is there My only question is, what is the What is the expected time period? So as uh as Cole as Officer Kopp said, we don't want to, you know, we want to put some parameters on it when it comes to time. So what's a realistic, expected time period to allow that to happen? And I yield and once you","topics_json":"[\"housing\"]","vector_id":"vec_seg_101610_279","created_at":"2026-10-31T08:05:59Z","speaker_name":"Andre M. Boggerty"},{"id":"seg_101610_28","meeting_id":"101610","media_asset_id":"med_101610_4bb4eac7bcf5cd5f","agenda_item_id":null,"speaker_id":"off_andre_m_boggerty","speaker_confidence":0.95,"start_sec":346.8,"end_sec":348,"text":"Yes, I yield.","topics_json":"[]","vector_id":"vec_seg_101610_28","created_at":"2026-10-31T08:05:58Z","speaker_name":"Andre M. 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Um In the event that 30 after 30 days, that payment plan hasn't been established and utilities haven't been um restored for the property, we would continue enforcement and reinstate the $375.","topics_json":"[\"housing\"]","vector_id":"vec_seg_101610_282","created_at":"2026-10-31T08:05:59Z","speaker_name":"Eddie Kopp"},{"id":"seg_101610_283","meeting_id":"101610","media_asset_id":"med_101610_4bb4eac7bcf5cd5f","agenda_item_id":null,"speaker_id":"spk_101610_board_member","speaker_confidence":0.9,"start_sec":3809.17,"end_sec":3811.37,"text":"Can you can you repeat that?","topics_json":"[]","vector_id":"vec_seg_101610_283","created_at":"2026-10-31T08:05:59Z","speaker_name":null},{"id":"seg_101610_284","meeting_id":"101610","media_asset_id":"med_101610_4bb4eac7bcf5cd5f","agenda_item_id":null,"speaker_id":"spk_101610_board_member","speaker_confidence":0.9,"start_sec":3811.47,"end_sec":3815.27,"text":"No, but I can say I'll second what he said.","topics_json":"[]","vector_id":"vec_seg_101610_284","created_at":"2026-10-31T08:05:59Z","speaker_name":null},{"id":"seg_101610_285","meeting_id":"101610","media_asset_id":"med_101610_4bb4eac7bcf5cd5f","agenda_item_id":null,"speaker_id":"spk_101610_chair","speaker_confidence":0.9,"start_sec":3815.37,"end_sec":3816.77,"text":"Well, you have to make the motion.","topics_json":"[]","vector_id":"vec_seg_101610_285","created_at":"2026-10-31T08:05:59Z","speaker_name":null},{"id":"seg_101610_286","meeting_id":"101610","media_asset_id":"med_101610_4bb4eac7bcf5cd5f","agenda_item_id":null,"speaker_id":"spk_101610_board_member","speaker_confidence":0.9,"start_sec":3816.87,"end_sec":3820.97,"text":"I make the motion that we accept Eddie's, Mr. Kopp's, recommendation.","topics_json":"[\"housing\"]","vector_id":"vec_seg_101610_286","created_at":"2026-10-31T08:05:59Z","speaker_name":null},{"id":"seg_101610_287","meeting_id":"101610","media_asset_id":"med_101610_4bb4eac7bcf5cd5f","agenda_item_id":null,"speaker_id":"spk_101610_chair","speaker_confidence":0.9,"start_sec":3821.37,"end_sec":3824.07,"text":"Okay. Uh do we have a second?","topics_json":"[]","vector_id":"vec_seg_101610_287","created_at":"2026-10-31T08:05:59Z","speaker_name":null},{"id":"seg_101610_288","meeting_id":"101610","media_asset_id":"med_101610_4bb4eac7bcf5cd5f","agenda_item_id":null,"speaker_id":"off_andre_m_boggerty","speaker_confidence":0.95,"start_sec":3826.57,"end_sec":3827.87,"text":"Boggerty seconds.","topics_json":"[]","vector_id":"vec_seg_101610_288","created_at":"2026-10-31T08:05:59Z","speaker_name":"Andre M. Boggerty"},{"id":"seg_101610_289","meeting_id":"101610","media_asset_id":"med_101610_4bb4eac7bcf5cd5f","agenda_item_id":null,"speaker_id":"spk_101610_chair","speaker_confidence":0.9,"start_sec":3828.57,"end_sec":3842.77,"text":"All right. Properly moved properly moved and seconded to accept staff recommendation to stay uh the case for 30 days. Um and you have the rest of that, right, Madam Clerk?","topics_json":"[\"housing\"]","vector_id":"vec_seg_101610_289","created_at":"2026-10-31T08:05:59Z","speaker_name":null},{"id":"seg_101610_29","meeting_id":"101610","media_asset_id":"med_101610_4bb4eac7bcf5cd5f","agenda_item_id":null,"speaker_id":"spk_101610_chair","speaker_confidence":0.9,"start_sec":348.2,"end_sec":354.1,"text":"Okay, thank you. Uh Mr. Deitrick? Yes. Uh did did you want to lend your side of the story as to uh","topics_json":"[]","vector_id":"vec_seg_101610_29","created_at":"2026-10-31T08:05:58Z","speaker_name":null},{"id":"seg_101610_290","meeting_id":"101610","media_asset_id":"med_101610_4bb4eac7bcf5cd5f","agenda_item_id":null,"speaker_id":"spk_101610_city_clerk","speaker_confidence":0.95,"start_sec":3843.97,"end_sec":3846.87,"text":"Yes, I got all of Yeah, I got all of that. Yes. Thank you.","topics_json":"[]","vector_id":"vec_seg_101610_290","created_at":"2026-10-31T08:05:59Z","speaker_name":null},{"id":"seg_101610_291","meeting_id":"101610","media_asset_id":"med_101610_4bb4eac7bcf5cd5f","agenda_item_id":null,"speaker_id":"spk_101610_chair","speaker_confidence":0.9,"start_sec":3847.27,"end_sec":3850.17,"text":"Uh any any discussion on the motion?","topics_json":"[]","vector_id":"vec_seg_101610_291","created_at":"2026-10-31T08:05:59Z","speaker_name":null},{"id":"seg_101610_292","meeting_id":"101610","media_asset_id":"med_101610_4bb4eac7bcf5cd5f","agenda_item_id":null,"speaker_id":"spk_101610_board_member","speaker_confidence":0.9,"start_sec":3850.27,"end_sec":3851.47,"text":"No.","topics_json":"[]","vector_id":"vec_seg_101610_292","created_at":"2026-10-31T08:05:59Z","speaker_name":null},{"id":"seg_101610_293","meeting_id":"101610","media_asset_id":"med_101610_4bb4eac7bcf5cd5f","agenda_item_id":null,"speaker_id":"spk_101610_chair","speaker_confidence":0.9,"start_sec":3851.57,"end_sec":3854.97,"text":"Hearing and seeing none, all those in favor, please state by saying aye.","topics_json":"[]","vector_id":"vec_seg_101610_293","created_at":"2026-10-31T08:05:59Z","speaker_name":null},{"id":"seg_101610_294","meeting_id":"101610","media_asset_id":"med_101610_4bb4eac7bcf5cd5f","agenda_item_id":null,"speaker_id":"spk_101610_board_member","speaker_confidence":0.9,"start_sec":3855.17,"end_sec":3856.17,"text":"Aye.","topics_json":"[]","vector_id":"vec_seg_101610_294","created_at":"2026-10-31T08:05:59Z","speaker_name":null},{"id":"seg_101610_295","meeting_id":"101610","media_asset_id":"med_101610_4bb4eac7bcf5cd5f","agenda_item_id":null,"speaker_id":"off_andre_m_boggerty","speaker_confidence":0.95,"start_sec":3856.27,"end_sec":3856.97,"text":"Aye.","topics_json":"[]","vector_id":"vec_seg_101610_295","created_at":"2026-10-31T08:05:59Z","speaker_name":"Andre M. Boggerty"},{"id":"seg_101610_296","meeting_id":"101610","media_asset_id":"med_101610_4bb4eac7bcf5cd5f","agenda_item_id":null,"speaker_id":"spk_101610_chair","speaker_confidence":0.9,"start_sec":3857.67,"end_sec":3860.57,"text":"Any opposed? The ayes have it. Motion is carried.","topics_json":"[]","vector_id":"vec_seg_101610_296","created_at":"2026-10-31T08:05:59Z","speaker_name":null},{"id":"seg_101610_297","meeting_id":"101610","media_asset_id":"med_101610_4bb4eac7bcf5cd5f","agenda_item_id":null,"speaker_id":"spk_101610_chair","speaker_confidence":0.9,"start_sec":3861.17,"end_sec":3862.87,"text":"Thanks very much, Ms. Moseley.","topics_json":"[]","vector_id":"vec_seg_101610_297","created_at":"2026-10-31T08:05:59Z","speaker_name":null},{"id":"seg_101610_298","meeting_id":"101610","media_asset_id":"med_101610_4bb4eac7bcf5cd5f","agenda_item_id":null,"speaker_id":"spk_101610_ms_moseley","speaker_confidence":0.95,"start_sec":3865.47,"end_sec":3867.17,"text":"Thank you, as well.","topics_json":"[]","vector_id":"vec_seg_101610_298","created_at":"2026-10-31T08:05:59Z","speaker_name":"Ms. Moseley"},{"id":"seg_101610_299","meeting_id":"101610","media_asset_id":"med_101610_4bb4eac7bcf5cd5f","agenda_item_id":null,"speaker_id":"spk_101610_chair","speaker_confidence":0.9,"start_sec":3867.97,"end_sec":3869.27,"text":"Appreciate that.","topics_json":"[]","vector_id":"vec_seg_101610_299","created_at":"2026-10-31T08:05:59Z","speaker_name":null},{"id":"seg_101610_3","meeting_id":"101610","media_asset_id":"med_101610_4bb4eac7bcf5cd5f","agenda_item_id":null,"speaker_id":"spk_101610_chair","speaker_confidence":0.9,"start_sec":20.3,"end_sec":23.3,"text":"Mr. Boggerty, do we have a second?","topics_json":"[]","vector_id":"vec_seg_101610_3","created_at":"2026-10-31T08:05:58Z","speaker_name":null},{"id":"seg_101610_30","meeting_id":"101610","media_asset_id":"med_101610_4bb4eac7bcf5cd5f","agenda_item_id":null,"speaker_id":"spk_101610_mr_deitrick","speaker_confidence":0.95,"start_sec":354.2,"end_sec":444.6,"text":"I will give you um the best overview I can. Um, the currently I am working on the property to bring everything up to compliance. Uh, if you go around and look at the property, you should notice some uh substantial improvements. Uh, the there's a vine in the backyard that's been growing and it contains some type of poison ivy, poison oak. And regrettably, my trying to attack it and pull it out and clean it by hand makes me break out in the poison ivy, poison oak and I was at the medical center twice, antibiotics too, cuz I react and it I was just broke out all over my arm. So I had to sort of cease and desist on that till I got better. So the second plan of attack was um Roundup, a commercial grade, which I have sprayed all over, and it's killing it down to where it's dead.","topics_json":"[]","vector_id":"vec_seg_101610_30","created_at":"2026-10-31T08:05:59Z","speaker_name":"Mr. Deitrick"},{"id":"seg_101610_300","meeting_id":"101610","media_asset_id":"med_101610_4bb4eac7bcf5cd5f","agenda_item_id":null,"speaker_id":"spk_101610_chair","speaker_confidence":0.9,"start_sec":3870.17,"end_sec":3889.37,"text":"Okay, we're going to move on to item 4 on the agenda. It's appeal for case number 26- 00000341 and related fines to 36 Arbor Drive, Lee and Janette Dennis. Would that be you?","topics_json":"[\"housing\"]","vector_id":"vec_seg_101610_300","created_at":"2026-10-31T08:05:59Z","speaker_name":null},{"id":"seg_101610_301","meeting_id":"101610","media_asset_id":"med_101610_4bb4eac7bcf5cd5f","agenda_item_id":null,"speaker_id":"spk_101610_lee_dennis","speaker_confidence":0.9,"start_sec":3889.47,"end_sec":3890.17,"text":"Yes.","topics_json":"[]","vector_id":"vec_seg_101610_301","created_at":"2026-10-31T08:05:59Z","speaker_name":"Lee Dennis"},{"id":"seg_101610_302","meeting_id":"101610","media_asset_id":"med_101610_4bb4eac7bcf5cd5f","agenda_item_id":null,"speaker_id":"spk_101610_chair","speaker_confidence":0.9,"start_sec":3890.57,"end_sec":3893.27,"text":"Okay. We're going to let uh code enforce Who's got that one?","topics_json":"[\"housing\"]","vector_id":"vec_seg_101610_302","created_at":"2026-10-31T08:05:59Z","speaker_name":null},{"id":"seg_101610_303","meeting_id":"101610","media_asset_id":"med_101610_4bb4eac7bcf5cd5f","agenda_item_id":null,"speaker_id":"spk_101610_eddie_kopp","speaker_confidence":0.95,"start_sec":3893.37,"end_sec":3894.07,"text":"Me.","topics_json":"[]","vector_id":"vec_seg_101610_303","created_at":"2026-10-31T08:05:59Z","speaker_name":"Eddie Kopp"},{"id":"seg_101610_304","meeting_id":"101610","media_asset_id":"med_101610_4bb4eac7bcf5cd5f","agenda_item_id":null,"speaker_id":"spk_101610_chair","speaker_confidence":0.9,"start_sec":3894.17,"end_sec":3896.07,"text":"You got that one. Okay. Go ahead, Mr. Kopp.","topics_json":"[]","vector_id":"vec_seg_101610_304","created_at":"2026-10-31T08:05:59Z","speaker_name":null},{"id":"seg_101610_305","meeting_id":"101610","media_asset_id":"med_101610_4bb4eac7bcf5cd5f","agenda_item_id":null,"speaker_id":"spk_101610_eddie_kopp","speaker_confidence":0.95,"start_sec":3896.67,"end_sec":3928.37,"text":"All right. Again, I'm Eddie Kopp, Chief Code Enforcement Officer. I am present on behalf of on behalf of John England due to a appointment. Um I'm going to go over his notes. So, on February 2nd, 2026, the case was open as a result of posting return, certified mail um on 1/30/2026. The initial case, 25- 5160, first notice was sent certified. I apologize, I'm just trying to get through these notes.","topics_json":"[\"housing\"]","vector_id":"vec_seg_101610_305","created_at":"2026-10-31T08:05:59Z","speaker_name":"Eddie Kopp"},{"id":"seg_101610_306","meeting_id":"101610","media_asset_id":"med_101610_4bb4eac7bcf5cd5f","agenda_item_id":null,"speaker_id":"spk_101610_board_member","speaker_confidence":0.9,"start_sec":3928.47,"end_sec":3929.27,"text":"Mm-hmm.","topics_json":"[]","vector_id":"vec_seg_101610_306","created_at":"2026-10-31T08:05:59Z","speaker_name":null},{"id":"seg_101610_307","meeting_id":"101610","media_asset_id":"med_101610_4bb4eac7bcf5cd5f","agenda_item_id":null,"speaker_id":"spk_101610_eddie_kopp","speaker_confidence":0.95,"start_sec":3933.07,"end_sec":3996.07,"text":"Okay. So, the case was opened on 12/31/2025 per email from Code Enforcement Officer Thomas Miller. The email stated the water and electric was terminated on 8/19 of 2025 and appears from utilities no usage and vacant since 3/4 of 2025. Um On February 2nd, Mr. England spoke with Mr. Lee Davis via phone after he was informed by the neighbor that there was a posting on the door. He advised of his wife's passing and that he was in Georgia taking care of thanks. Uh February 6, 2026, utilities were initiated. February 6, 2026, uh VBO vacant building ordinance case number 25-5161 fee of $375 was paid.","topics_json":"[\"housing\"]","vector_id":"vec_seg_101610_307","created_at":"2026-10-31T08:05:59Z","speaker_name":"Eddie Kopp"},{"id":"seg_101610_308","meeting_id":"101610","media_asset_id":"med_101610_4bb4eac7bcf5cd5f","agenda_item_id":null,"speaker_id":"spk_101610_eddie_kopp","speaker_confidence":0.95,"start_sec":3984.77,"end_sec":4042.77,"text":"March 2nd of 2026, the homeowner was on location with the HVAC contractor on site. We talked about the status, he was trying to regroup since the loss of his wife and he had a plumber help to fix a broken pipe. I told him I would hold off citations since it appeared he was trying to move in the right direction. Uh March 2nd, 2026, second notice mailed, certified, no citations. March 3rd, 2026, posted return mail at 11:41 a.m. March 11, 2026, met with Mr. Lee Dennis Mr. Sorry, Mr. England met met with Mr. Lee Dennis's brother, Ed Dennis, in the lobby and went over the open cases. He told me he was trying to assist his brother, come into compliance, they do have utilities and are working on the interior. I gave a 60-day inspection from April 2nd, 2026, to June 2nd, 2026.","topics_json":"[\"housing\"]","vector_id":"vec_seg_101610_308","created_at":"2026-10-31T08:05:59Z","speaker_name":"Eddie Kopp"},{"id":"seg_101610_309","meeting_id":"101610","media_asset_id":"med_101610_4bb4eac7bcf5cd5f","agenda_item_id":null,"speaker_id":"spk_101610_eddie_kopp","speaker_confidence":0.95,"start_sec":4045.57,"end_sec":4106.97,"text":"March 20th, 2026, there was a phone call and email from Mr. Ed Dennis, thanking me and or thanking Mr. England and went over the whole situation again. Uh June 1st, 2026, an email from Mr. Ed Davis asking for another 60-day extension and that an interior or that an interior inspection to take place no sooner than August 2nd of 2026. June 1st of 2026, I emailed Mr. Ed Davis giving him one last 60-day in extension and scheduled the interior inspection for August 5th, 2026, at 10:00 a.m. August 5th, 2025, or I think that should say '26, I apologize, interior inspection at 10:00 a.m. was a no-show. All condemned placards were removed. Exterior light to the front porch, side rod, and rear French doors, the property was re-placarded and photos taken. August 5th, third notice and $100 citation mailed for noncompliance with response by September 7th of 2026. August 18, 2026, posted return certified mail at 10:54. Um September 2nd, 2026, the VBO inspection still it appeared vacant, secure. October I'm sorry, September 2nd, 2026, and September 8, 2026, drive-by photo taken to show placard were removed again. Uh September 8th, 2026, fourth notice and 20 $200 citation mailed certified for noncompliance and then September 10th of 2026, safe place received an appeal letter from Mr. Dennis.","topics_json":"[\"housing\"]","vector_id":"vec_seg_101610_309","created_at":"2026-10-31T08:05:59Z","speaker_name":"Eddie Kopp"},{"id":"seg_101610_31","meeting_id":"101610","media_asset_id":"med_101610_4bb4eac7bcf5cd5f","agenda_item_id":null,"speaker_id":"spk_101610_mr_deitrick","speaker_confidence":0.95,"start_sec":444.9,"end_sec":535.8,"text":"So, in the autumn, when everything is dead and died down and there's no I can manually pull it and clean it as required. The fence itself uh fell down in a storm. Uh we had a violent windstorm and the posts were rotted. Um, and uh that's the reason why that fell down. I have just uh finally, recently got the fence cleaned off the neighbor's property and sitting in the center of the yard waiting to be disposed of. Uh so that's been addressed. The issues around the front fence, the vegetation, has been uh sprayed and cleaned up, and I going to reapply spray to kill it down and get it to where it is acceptable. Uh, in the backyard itself, uh I actually had a gentleman come in with a uh friend of mine, my at the job I'm at, came in with a backhoe to clear out the, especially in the corner where it was high, to clear it out and put it into a pile in the corner.","topics_json":"[]","vector_id":"vec_seg_101610_31","created_at":"2026-10-31T08:05:59Z","speaker_name":"Mr. Deitrick"},{"id":"seg_101610_310","meeting_id":"101610","media_asset_id":"med_101610_4bb4eac7bcf5cd5f","agenda_item_id":null,"speaker_id":"spk_101610_eddie_kopp","speaker_confidence":0.95,"start_sec":4149.27,"end_sec":4166.67,"text":"So it appears this property um the root cause of the problem here with the citations being issued are for uh failure to schedule an interior inspection, which is required um under the Vacant Building Ordinance in chapter 22 uh. That noncompliance did result in citations being issued uh for the noncompliance.","topics_json":"[\"housing\"]","vector_id":"vec_seg_101610_310","created_at":"2026-10-31T08:05:59Z","speaker_name":"Eddie Kopp"},{"id":"seg_101610_311","meeting_id":"101610","media_asset_id":"med_101610_4bb4eac7bcf5cd5f","agenda_item_id":null,"speaker_id":"spk_101610_chair","speaker_confidence":0.9,"start_sec":4172.37,"end_sec":4173.77,"text":"Of the vacant building.","topics_json":"[\"housing\"]","vector_id":"vec_seg_101610_311","created_at":"2026-10-31T08:05:59Z","speaker_name":null},{"id":"seg_101610_312","meeting_id":"101610","media_asset_id":"med_101610_4bb4eac7bcf5cd5f","agenda_item_id":null,"speaker_id":"spk_101610_eddie_kopp","speaker_confidence":0.95,"start_sec":4174.17,"end_sec":4184.17,"text":"Of Of the Vacant Building Ordinance uh, which does require interior inspections annually um anytime a building has been registered as vacant.","topics_json":"[\"housing\"]","vector_id":"vec_seg_101610_312","created_at":"2026-10-31T08:05:59Z","speaker_name":"Eddie Kopp"},{"id":"seg_101610_313","meeting_id":"101610","media_asset_id":"med_101610_4bb4eac7bcf5cd5f","agenda_item_id":null,"speaker_id":"spk_101610_chair","speaker_confidence":0.9,"start_sec":4185.47,"end_sec":4186.57,"text":"Okay.","topics_json":"[]","vector_id":"vec_seg_101610_313","created_at":"2026-10-31T08:05:59Z","speaker_name":null},{"id":"seg_101610_314","meeting_id":"101610","media_asset_id":"med_101610_4bb4eac7bcf5cd5f","agenda_item_id":null,"speaker_id":"spk_101610_chair","speaker_confidence":0.9,"start_sec":4187.07,"end_sec":4191.87,"text":"Mr. Dennis, would you like to give us your side of the story?","topics_json":"[\"housing\"]","vector_id":"vec_seg_101610_314","created_at":"2026-10-31T08:05:59Z","speaker_name":null},{"id":"seg_101610_315","meeting_id":"101610","media_asset_id":"med_101610_4bb4eac7bcf5cd5f","agenda_item_id":null,"speaker_id":"spk_101610_lee_dennis","speaker_confidence":0.9,"start_sec":4192.97,"end_sec":4201.77,"text":"Well, I mean, I think it's he laid out I guess the skeleton aspects of it. My wife did was very ill.","topics_json":"[\"housing\"]","vector_id":"vec_seg_101610_315","created_at":"2026-10-31T08:05:59Z","speaker_name":"Lee Dennis"},{"id":"seg_101610_316","meeting_id":"101610","media_asset_id":"med_101610_4bb4eac7bcf5cd5f","agenda_item_id":null,"speaker_id":"spk_101610_chair","speaker_confidence":0.9,"start_sec":4202.17,"end_sec":4204.47,"text":"And and I'm sorry to hear that, too, Lee.","topics_json":"[]","vector_id":"vec_seg_101610_316","created_at":"2026-10-31T08:05:59Z","speaker_name":null},{"id":"seg_101610_317","meeting_id":"101610","media_asset_id":"med_101610_4bb4eac7bcf5cd5f","agenda_item_id":null,"speaker_id":"spk_101610_lee_dennis","speaker_confidence":0.9,"start_sec":4204.57,"end_sec":4216.77,"text":"Right. Very suddenly she passed. From the standpoint that it did it has taken me some time to, you know, try to put things a little bit back together.","topics_json":"[\"housing\"]","vector_id":"vec_seg_101610_317","created_at":"2026-10-31T08:05:59Z","speaker_name":"Lee Dennis"},{"id":"seg_101610_318","meeting_id":"101610","media_asset_id":"med_101610_4bb4eac7bcf5cd5f","agenda_item_id":null,"speaker_id":"spk_101610_lee_dennis","speaker_confidence":0.9,"start_sec":4217.17,"end_sec":4264.87,"text":"It has it's been complicated by the fact that they've was physician here in town for 25 years or whatever, 30 years. And I had uh closed the office. The requirements for charts, billing doesn't automatically stop and any of those things. And, of course, uh with the selling of the of our building and what not, a lot of that stuff that wasn't able wasn't put in storage was brought to the house to be able to produce charts and other things. So, you know, we've got the boxes, you know, around in the living spaces and things along that line, an entire office computer system inside the house.","topics_json":"[\"housing\",\"business\"]","vector_id":"vec_seg_101610_318","created_at":"2026-10-31T08:05:59Z","speaker_name":"Lee Dennis"},{"id":"seg_101610_319","meeting_id":"101610","media_asset_id":"med_101610_4bb4eac7bcf5cd5f","agenda_item_id":null,"speaker_id":"spk_101610_lee_dennis","speaker_confidence":0.9,"start_sec":4265.17,"end_sec":4309.07,"text":"And we have she and I for years, as many people around here actually do, whether you guys know it or not, have vacant houses every year because the ordinance is 90 days or whatever in terms of it, it's only when electricity gets cut off. In our particular circumstances, then issue ended up just simply being that it all happened at a at a extremely poor period of time. And and we were committed to have to leave, which we have we have done for 10 years, uh starting in October and then we don't usually return, uh you know, as returning as staying in the house really until May, April.","topics_json":"[\"housing\"]","vector_id":"vec_seg_101610_319","created_at":"2026-10-31T08:05:59Z","speaker_name":"Lee Dennis"},{"id":"seg_101610_32","meeting_id":"101610","media_asset_id":"med_101610_4bb4eac7bcf5cd5f","agenda_item_id":null,"speaker_id":"spk_101610_mr_deitrick","speaker_confidence":0.95,"start_sec":536,"end_sec":625.5,"text":"Uh and of course, unfortunately, it has grown up again over the junk that I got cleared off. Uh it's a matter of my being able to get rid of that and get it disposed of. Uh the City of Dover, uh if I could have them come with a like a crane to pick it up and and take it to the landfill, uh I waive I'll sign any waiver, but they said they couldn't do it for liability reasons, and so on, and so forth. It's regrettable that the property has gotten into this condition. Um, Carol and myself, we recently went through a Chapter 13 bankruptcy, okay? Uh it involves uh my current server of my mortgage changed to another server. And 4 months went by before we realized that we were behind 4 months in the mortgage.","topics_json":"[]","vector_id":"vec_seg_101610_32","created_at":"2026-10-31T08:05:59Z","speaker_name":"Mr. Deitrick"},{"id":"seg_101610_320","meeting_id":"101610","media_asset_id":"med_101610_4bb4eac7bcf5cd5f","agenda_item_id":null,"speaker_id":"spk_101610_lee_dennis","speaker_confidence":0.9,"start_sec":4310.67,"end_sec":4313.17,"text":"They call us snowbirds.","topics_json":"[]","vector_id":"vec_seg_101610_320","created_at":"2026-10-31T08:05:59Z","speaker_name":"Lee Dennis"},{"id":"seg_101610_321","meeting_id":"101610","media_asset_id":"med_101610_4bb4eac7bcf5cd5f","agenda_item_id":null,"speaker_id":"spk_101610_lee_dennis","speaker_confidence":0.9,"start_sec":4314.37,"end_sec":4373.87,"text":"Uh I had no idea that if I'm out of the house for 90 days that that's considered to be a vacant house. That's one. Two, I was not really aware of the fact that that any that really there was any issues with it. Electricity, to be honest with you, at the point that I was at with my wife, you could have talked to me, really wouldn't have mattered. I mean, you know, I I've dedicated my life to taking care of people, and then when I needed it, no money for cancer research. It wasn't like they could hide it from me. It just stopped. One day, it just stopped. Somebody took a switch and said, \"No.\"","topics_json":"[\"housing\"]","vector_id":"vec_seg_101610_321","created_at":"2026-10-31T08:05:59Z","speaker_name":"Lee Dennis"},{"id":"seg_101610_322","meeting_id":"101610","media_asset_id":"med_101610_4bb4eac7bcf5cd5f","agenda_item_id":null,"speaker_id":"spk_101610_lee_dennis","speaker_confidence":0.9,"start_sec":4382.57,"end_sec":4393.87,"text":"And the reality behind it was that there wasn't anything going to stop me from giving her what The only thing I could give her was me for the last six months of her life.","topics_json":"[]","vector_id":"vec_seg_101610_322","created_at":"2026-10-31T08:05:59Z","speaker_name":"Lee Dennis"},{"id":"seg_101610_323","meeting_id":"101610","media_asset_id":"med_101610_4bb4eac7bcf5cd5f","agenda_item_id":null,"speaker_id":"spk_101610_chair","speaker_confidence":0.9,"start_sec":4393.97,"end_sec":4394.47,"text":"Understood.","topics_json":"[]","vector_id":"vec_seg_101610_323","created_at":"2026-10-31T08:05:59Z","speaker_name":null},{"id":"seg_101610_324","meeting_id":"101610","media_asset_id":"med_101610_4bb4eac7bcf5cd5f","agenda_item_id":null,"speaker_id":"spk_101610_lee_dennis","speaker_confidence":0.9,"start_sec":4394.57,"end_sec":4407.67,"text":"So I apologize to the city and everybody else for having a house that, if you looked inside of it, looked like it wasn't the best organized house in the in the world.","topics_json":"[\"housing\"]","vector_id":"vec_seg_101610_324","created_at":"2026-10-31T08:05:59Z","speaker_name":"Lee Dennis"},{"id":"seg_101610_325","meeting_id":"101610","media_asset_id":"med_101610_4bb4eac7bcf5cd5f","agenda_item_id":null,"speaker_id":"spk_101610_lee_dennis","speaker_confidence":0.9,"start_sec":4407.77,"end_sec":4457.07,"text":"But as to what I'm being asked to do now, I'm I'm having trouble because, I mean, I've had the house now, you know, wood floors torn out and drywall over here. I didn't cut the electricity, of course, it got cut off, $39 bill. And I don't have to tell any of you guys that, you know, this has probably been the worst winter we've had in I don't know, I'm 70 years old, I don't remember it being too much worse than this, maybe looking when I was younger. So as you can imagine, the pipes didn't make it.","topics_json":"[\"housing\"]","vector_id":"vec_seg_101610_325","created_at":"2026-10-31T08:05:59Z","speaker_name":"Lee Dennis"},{"id":"seg_101610_326","meeting_id":"101610","media_asset_id":"med_101610_4bb4eac7bcf5cd5f","agenda_item_id":null,"speaker_id":"spk_101610_lee_dennis","speaker_confidence":0.9,"start_sec":4465.17,"end_sec":4497.17,"text":"Uh I had to shut the water off to the house, but I didn't realize that construction guys can pull valves leading to the house, and, of course, it cracked to that valve. Uh So it's taken me a while to be able to try to get things back in some kind of shape. My older brother decided it would be best maybe for him to try to help me with this particular process in terms of it because it's it was never never as simple as as all that.","topics_json":"[\"housing\"]","vector_id":"vec_seg_101610_326","created_at":"2026-10-31T08:05:59Z","speaker_name":"Lee Dennis"},{"id":"seg_101610_327","meeting_id":"101610","media_asset_id":"med_101610_4bb4eac7bcf5cd5f","agenda_item_id":null,"speaker_id":"spk_101610_lee_dennis","speaker_confidence":0.9,"start_sec":4497.17,"end_sec":4498.17,"text":"So","topics_json":"[]","vector_id":"vec_seg_101610_327","created_at":"2026-10-31T08:05:59Z","speaker_name":"Lee Dennis"},{"id":"seg_101610_328","meeting_id":"101610","media_asset_id":"med_101610_4bb4eac7bcf5cd5f","agenda_item_id":null,"speaker_id":"spk_101610_chair","speaker_confidence":0.9,"start_sec":4498.27,"end_sec":4522.47,"text":"Okay. Mr. Kopp, if if he if I may gi- give him the floor just to clarify?","topics_json":"[]","vector_id":"vec_seg_101610_328","created_at":"2026-10-31T08:05:59Z","speaker_name":null},{"id":"seg_101610_329","meeting_id":"101610","media_asset_id":"med_101610_4bb4eac7bcf5cd5f","agenda_item_id":null,"speaker_id":"spk_101610_eddie_kopp","speaker_confidence":0.95,"start_sec":4522.57,"end_sec":4546.17,"text":"I just need to clarify one thing um before you today, yes, there is a vacant building case and, according to his notes, my mistake is I assume this is a vacant building case, but this particular case, 26-341, is in reference to a dangerous building case. There is a dangerous building and a vacant building case on this property. Um So the citations were issued for failure to correct the dangerous","topics_json":"[\"housing\"]","vector_id":"vec_seg_101610_329","created_at":"2026-10-31T08:05:59Z","speaker_name":"Eddie Kopp"},{"id":"seg_101610_33","meeting_id":"101610","media_asset_id":"med_101610_4bb4eac7bcf5cd5f","agenda_item_id":null,"speaker_id":"spk_101610_mr_deitrick","speaker_confidence":0.95,"start_sec":625.8,"end_sec":716.4,"text":"And that was really upended our our world. I had to to see a lawyer, and file a 13. And in the process, I'm try- I had to file a 13 and when you file a 13, you have to pay to a trustee, arrearage, whatever is on that trustee payment, and then I have to pay the regular mortgage on top of that. So it was a 5-year plan, and it absolutely just killed me, and financially, just making it paycheck It's My wife is Carol, her name is Carol, she's disabled. She's been in and out of the hospital with uh uh breathing problems, COPD, diabetes, and all those things. I might have to take her to the hospital tonight. Um, and that has been a very time-consuming process. Uh, it- but the main issue is financial. So it's regrettable, I've not I usually, when I first moved in in 2000, I've been in the City of Dover since 2000, I kept that place neat as a pin.","topics_json":"[]","vector_id":"vec_seg_101610_33","created_at":"2026-10-31T08:05:59Z","speaker_name":"Mr. Deitrick"},{"id":"seg_101610_330","meeting_id":"101610","media_asset_id":"med_101610_4bb4eac7bcf5cd5f","agenda_item_id":null,"speaker_id":"spk_101610_chair","speaker_confidence":0.9,"start_sec":4546.27,"end_sec":4548.77,"text":"And what was what was the needed corrective action?","topics_json":"[\"housing\"]","vector_id":"vec_seg_101610_330","created_at":"2026-10-31T08:05:59Z","speaker_name":null},{"id":"seg_101610_331","meeting_id":"101610","media_asset_id":"med_101610_4bb4eac7bcf5cd5f","agenda_item_id":null,"speaker_id":"spk_101610_eddie_kopp","speaker_confidence":0.95,"start_sec":4548.97,"end_sec":4577.07,"text":"Uh dangerous building would be the dangerous building was established due to the lack of electricity. Um Once the electricity is restored, we would just do a inspection of the property to be safe. Um But due to testimony here today, that with what was explained, it would the combination wouldn't be able to be lifted if it is missing floors and it's in a state of disrepair uh that was explained here today. So","topics_json":"[\"housing\"]","vector_id":"vec_seg_101610_331","created_at":"2026-10-31T08:05:59Z","speaker_name":"Eddie Kopp"},{"id":"seg_101610_332","meeting_id":"101610","media_asset_id":"med_101610_4bb4eac7bcf5cd5f","agenda_item_id":null,"speaker_id":"spk_101610_eddie_kopp","speaker_confidence":0.95,"start_sec":4577.37,"end_sec":4596.37,"text":"the unfortunately, the dangerous building case would remain in effect. Um I think at this juncture, it would be worth asking um to estimate time is there a time period to when the property would be brought into compliance to where we could maybe extend the case and try to help?","topics_json":"[\"housing\"]","vector_id":"vec_seg_101610_332","created_at":"2026-10-31T08:05:59Z","speaker_name":"Eddie Kopp"},{"id":"seg_101610_333","meeting_id":"101610","media_asset_id":"med_101610_4bb4eac7bcf5cd5f","agenda_item_id":null,"speaker_id":"spk_101610_lee_dennis","speaker_confidence":0.9,"start_sec":4596.97,"end_sec":4604.27,"text":"Well, see, I have a great deal of difficulty because it's difficult for me to be able to because now you're telling me something that's new. Didn't know this.","topics_json":"[\"housing\"]","vector_id":"vec_seg_101610_333","created_at":"2026-10-31T08:05:59Z","speaker_name":"Lee Dennis"},{"id":"seg_101610_334","meeting_id":"101610","media_asset_id":"med_101610_4bb4eac7bcf5cd5f","agenda_item_id":null,"speaker_id":"spk_101610_eddie_kopp","speaker_confidence":0.95,"start_sec":4604.37,"end_sec":4605.77,"text":"That's that's condemned.","topics_json":"[\"housing\"]","vector_id":"vec_seg_101610_334","created_at":"2026-10-31T08:05:59Z","speaker_name":"Eddie Kopp"},{"id":"seg_101610_335","meeting_id":"101610","media_asset_id":"med_101610_4bb4eac7bcf5cd5f","agenda_item_id":null,"speaker_id":"spk_101610_lee_dennis","speaker_confidence":0.9,"start_sec":4605.97,"end_sec":4617.07,"text":"Well, it was condemned, but never really given a reason for condemned. So you understand that you said on on February the 2nd there was a notice for vacancy, correct?","topics_json":"[\"housing\"]","vector_id":"vec_seg_101610_335","created_at":"2026-10-31T08:05:59Z","speaker_name":"Lee Dennis"},{"id":"seg_101610_336","meeting_id":"101610","media_asset_id":"med_101610_4bb4eac7bcf5cd5f","agenda_item_id":null,"speaker_id":"spk_101610_eddie_kopp","speaker_confidence":0.95,"start_sec":4617.77,"end_sec":4620.87,"text":"Yes, so and I sent","topics_json":"[\"housing\"]","vector_id":"vec_seg_101610_336","created_at":"2026-10-31T08:05:59Z","speaker_name":"Eddie Kopp"},{"id":"seg_101610_337","meeting_id":"101610","media_asset_id":"med_101610_4bb4eac7bcf5cd5f","agenda_item_id":null,"speaker_id":"spk_101610_lee_dennis","speaker_confidence":0.9,"start_sec":4620.17,"end_sec":4622.67,"text":"No, I'm just asking a question. It's either yes or no.","topics_json":"[\"housing\"]","vector_id":"vec_seg_101610_337","created_at":"2026-10-31T08:05:59Z","speaker_name":"Lee Dennis"},{"id":"seg_101610_338","meeting_id":"101610","media_asset_id":"med_101610_4bb4eac7bcf5cd5f","agenda_item_id":null,"speaker_id":"spk_101610_eddie_kopp","speaker_confidence":0.95,"start_sec":4622.87,"end_sec":4666.07,"text":"So So I do stand corrected. It was uh it's a dangerous building, and I can read to you what was in the letter uh for the condemnation. Says, \"This property is condemned due to lack of active utilities and unsanitary conditions observed at the front uh of the property. Make all necessary repairs and contact the Division of Code Enforcement to have the condemnation lifted.\" So that was the notice that was sent. That was a second case. Um The condemnation case was additional to the vacant building case that started last year, which had been case 25-5161, which is the vacant building case that started uh the previous year. So there's two cases on the property.","topics_json":"[\"housing\"]","vector_id":"vec_seg_101610_338","created_at":"2026-10-31T08:05:59Z","speaker_name":"Eddie Kopp"},{"id":"seg_101610_339","meeting_id":"101610","media_asset_id":"med_101610_4bb4eac7bcf5cd5f","agenda_item_id":null,"speaker_id":"spk_101610_lee_dennis","speaker_confidence":0.9,"start_sec":4666.17,"end_sec":4666.97,"text":"Mm-hmm.","topics_json":"[]","vector_id":"vec_seg_101610_339","created_at":"2026-10-31T08:05:59Z","speaker_name":"Lee Dennis"},{"id":"seg_101610_34","meeting_id":"101610","media_asset_id":"med_101610_4bb4eac7bcf5cd5f","agenda_item_id":null,"speaker_id":"spk_101610_mr_deitrick","speaker_confidence":0.95,"start_sec":717.1,"end_sec":807.5,"text":"But unfortunately, due to my financial circumstances, the property has been I have it's been let go, and I'm in a process I recently was had a job with J&King Transport, Kent Oil Company. Uh I changed jobs, the hours were long, I wasn't getting paid for every hour I was working, it was just a bad situation, and I changed to a new company called Service Energy. So I now have a more regular work schedule. I'm home on Saturdays and Sundays for the most part, because my wife needs more at-home care, so I'm able to work on the property more. I just did not have enough work hours. By the time I got home working 12 to 14 hours a day keeping dump trucks on the road, uh being called in the middle of the night, go out down there to Queen An- down in Queen Anne's County for a truck broke down, I just got down on my health, weak, tired, and just stressed out to a point where I get home, I'm dead tired.","topics_json":"[]","vector_id":"vec_seg_101610_34","created_at":"2026-10-31T08:05:59Z","speaker_name":"Mr. Deitrick"},{"id":"seg_101610_340","meeting_id":"101610","media_asset_id":"med_101610_4bb4eac7bcf5cd5f","agenda_item_id":null,"speaker_id":"spk_101610_lee_dennis","speaker_confidence":0.9,"start_sec":4667.67,"end_sec":4675.17,"text":"So understand that I Friday, it's it's uh Friday, it's vacant, which is what I find out. Monday, it's condemned.","topics_json":"[\"housing\"]","vector_id":"vec_seg_101610_340","created_at":"2026-10-31T08:05:59Z","speaker_name":"Lee Dennis"},{"id":"seg_101610_341","meeting_id":"101610","media_asset_id":"med_101610_4bb4eac7bcf5cd5f","agenda_item_id":null,"speaker_id":"spk_101610_eddie_kopp","speaker_confidence":0.95,"start_sec":4675.27,"end_sec":4710.27,"text":"What It does make sense as I read through his notes is it looks like it has been legally placarded, and the placards have been removed on several occasions based on Mr. England's notes. So uh when we placard a property, all entry points to the property will be placarded with condemned. That's the notices he's referring to that's been removed from the property is those um those condemned placards. So although we send notice, we do send a certified notice, we also placard the building, and it does appear that Mr. England has replacarded the building at least on two occasions based on his notes.","topics_json":"[\"housing\"]","vector_id":"vec_seg_101610_341","created_at":"2026-10-31T08:05:59Z","speaker_name":"Eddie Kopp"},{"id":"seg_101610_342","meeting_id":"101610","media_asset_id":"med_101610_4bb4eac7bcf5cd5f","agenda_item_id":null,"speaker_id":"spk_101610_lee_dennis","speaker_confidence":0.9,"start_sec":4710.97,"end_sec":4718.87,"text":"Well, if he's replacarded it on two occasions, you've got somebody that's stealing placards. That's one. Two, I would suggest that you put on better glue than the glue that you put it on because if you put that on the front of my door, which faces due east,","topics_json":"[\"housing\"]","vector_id":"vec_seg_101610_342","created_at":"2026-10-31T08:05:59Z","speaker_name":"Lee Dennis"},{"id":"seg_101610_343","meeting_id":"101610","media_asset_id":"med_101610_4bb4eac7bcf5cd5f","agenda_item_id":null,"speaker_id":"spk_101610_what_the_city","speaker_confidence":0.9,"start_sec":4718.9,"end_sec":4726.9,"text":"went through and there's nothing, isn't going to give me any evidence that it's a condemnable piece of property.","topics_json":"[\"housing\"]","vector_id":"vec_seg_101610_343","created_at":"2026-10-31T08:05:59Z","speaker_name":"what the city"},{"id":"seg_101610_344","meeting_id":"101610","media_asset_id":"med_101610_4bb4eac7bcf5cd5f","agenda_item_id":null,"speaker_id":"spk_101610_mrs_pratt","speaker_confidence":0.95,"start_sec":4727.6,"end_sec":4729.8,"text":"If I may. Mrs. Pratt, yes, go ahead.","topics_json":"[\"housing\"]","vector_id":"vec_seg_101610_344","created_at":"2026-10-31T08:05:59Z","speaker_name":"Mrs. Pratt"},{"id":"seg_101610_345","meeting_id":"101610","media_asset_id":"med_101610_4bb4eac7bcf5cd5f","agenda_item_id":null,"speaker_id":"spk_101610_mrs_pratt","speaker_confidence":0.95,"start_sec":4730.1,"end_sec":4773.3,"text":"Um, if I can, I I did visit the property uh once with Mr. Emlen back in the winter, um to assist with, I believe the first time that he placarded them, excuse me for not having the exact dates. Um, to my recollection, it was being condemned at that point due to the lack of utilities. So um although it it almost seems that they would be the same thing, the vacant building case is in reference to the fact of the property's not habitable, or the property's not being um used as a dwelling at the moment, and then the condemnation case is based off the lack of utilities at the property.","topics_json":"[\"housing\"]","vector_id":"vec_seg_101610_345","created_at":"2026-10-31T08:06:00Z","speaker_name":"Mrs. Pratt"},{"id":"seg_101610_346","meeting_id":"101610","media_asset_id":"med_101610_4bb4eac7bcf5cd5f","agenda_item_id":null,"speaker_id":"spk_101610_what_the_city","speaker_confidence":0.9,"start_sec":4773.6,"end_sec":4775.5,"text":"But they are related.","topics_json":"[\"housing\"]","vector_id":"vec_seg_101610_346","created_at":"2026-10-31T08:06:00Z","speaker_name":"what the city"},{"id":"seg_101610_347","meeting_id":"101610","media_asset_id":"med_101610_4bb4eac7bcf5cd5f","agenda_item_id":null,"speaker_id":"spk_101610_mrs_pratt","speaker_confidence":0.95,"start_sec":4775.8,"end_sec":4776.9,"text":"Um, they can be, yes, absolutely.","topics_json":"[\"housing\"]","vector_id":"vec_seg_101610_347","created_at":"2026-10-31T08:06:00Z","speaker_name":"Mrs. Pratt"},{"id":"seg_101610_348","meeting_id":"101610","media_asset_id":"med_101610_4bb4eac7bcf5cd5f","agenda_item_id":null,"speaker_id":"spk_101610_what_the_city","speaker_confidence":0.9,"start_sec":4777,"end_sec":4831.4,"text":"No, no, no, no, no, no, no. It's not they can be, they are related because the way that you know a house, by your definitions, because I continue to say, if the house is vacant, where am I? Where do I exist? If the house is vacant. So-","topics_json":"[\"housing\"]","vector_id":"vec_seg_101610_348","created_at":"2026-10-31T08:06:00Z","speaker_name":"what the city"},{"id":"seg_101610_349","meeting_id":"101610","media_asset_id":"med_101610_4bb4eac7bcf5cd5f","agenda_item_id":null,"speaker_id":"spk_101610_mrs_pratt","speaker_confidence":0.95,"start_sec":4831.5,"end_sec":4832.5,"text":"If I may-","topics_json":"[\"housing\"]","vector_id":"vec_seg_101610_349","created_at":"2026-10-31T08:06:00Z","speaker_name":"Mrs. Pratt"},{"id":"seg_101610_35","meeting_id":"101610","media_asset_id":"med_101610_4bb4eac7bcf5cd5f","agenda_item_id":null,"speaker_id":"spk_101610_mr_deitrick","speaker_confidence":0.95,"start_sec":807.6,"end_sec":898.3,"text":"And, you know, and it's regrettable, yeah, that I candidly admit the property has been let go, and I don't normally like doing that. So I'm at a point now where I have a lot of work to do, and I'm in the process of trying to uh address those items and get everything back up to snuff. Regretfully, it's going to take more time than I know the city has given me quite a number of um, you know, extensions, and I I like that's appreciative, but I'm now in a position where hopefully I can move forward and start to work on things. But it's just going to take more time than what anybody bargained for. I I have a lot to do, and it's just myself and a single-family income. I'm faced with the possibility we have applied for financial assistance through the State of Delaware for healthcare insurance for her, cuz she lost her healthcare insurance. I'm not trying to give everybody my my um sob story, but this is just relative to as to why things got the way they did.","topics_json":"[]","vector_id":"vec_seg_101610_35","created_at":"2026-10-31T08:05:59Z","speaker_name":"Mr. Deitrick"},{"id":"seg_101610_350","meeting_id":"101610","media_asset_id":"med_101610_4bb4eac7bcf5cd5f","agenda_item_id":null,"speaker_id":"spk_101610_what_the_city","speaker_confidence":0.9,"start_sec":4832.6,"end_sec":4838.9,"text":"Somewhere else, I guess, cuz... Right. But not really, cuz that's my home.","topics_json":"[\"housing\"]","vector_id":"vec_seg_101610_350","created_at":"2026-10-31T08:06:00Z","speaker_name":"what the city"},{"id":"seg_101610_351","meeting_id":"101610","media_asset_id":"med_101610_4bb4eac7bcf5cd5f","agenda_item_id":null,"speaker_id":"spk_101610_board_member","speaker_confidence":0.8,"start_sec":4839.3,"end_sec":4843.5,"text":"Well, how how you have a home with no electricity?","topics_json":"[\"housing\"]","vector_id":"vec_seg_101610_351","created_at":"2026-10-31T08:06:00Z","speaker_name":null},{"id":"seg_101610_352","meeting_id":"101610","media_asset_id":"med_101610_4bb4eac7bcf5cd5f","agenda_item_id":null,"speaker_id":"spk_101610_what_the_city","speaker_confidence":0.9,"start_sec":4843.8,"end_sec":4940.6,"text":"I live on a boat that has no electricity. I can live without electricity. So, like, that's not, that to me is just a germane issue in terms of it. It's it's merely, it's vacant by your definition of what is vacant, and I'm willing to concede that 90 days of somebody not being in a house is vacant. You were keyed off to it by the fact that the electricity got cut off. That's what cues it up in terms of it. That's fine, I'm not going to deny any of that. It's how we move from vacant to condemned in such a short period of time, no ability to correct in terms of it from this standpoint, and the fact that by looking in windows, you're able to make determinations that I can't correct for you to then be able to look into those same windows and see that those issues have been corrected.","topics_json":"[\"housing\"]","vector_id":"vec_seg_101610_352","created_at":"2026-10-31T08:06:00Z","speaker_name":"what the city"},{"id":"seg_101610_353","meeting_id":"101610","media_asset_id":"med_101610_4bb4eac7bcf5cd5f","agenda_item_id":null,"speaker_id":"spk_101610_chair","speaker_confidence":0.8,"start_sec":4940.7,"end_sec":4942,"text":"Mrs. Pratt.","topics_json":"[\"housing\"]","vector_id":"vec_seg_101610_353","created_at":"2026-10-31T08:06:00Z","speaker_name":null},{"id":"seg_101610_354","meeting_id":"101610","media_asset_id":"med_101610_4bb4eac7bcf5cd5f","agenda_item_id":null,"speaker_id":"spk_101610_mrs_pratt","speaker_confidence":0.95,"start_sec":4942.1,"end_sec":5043.6,"text":"If I may, sir. Um, if I can try to to shed some light on that, the International Code Council um has the International Property Maintenance Code, and that's what we use to govern a a lot of our property maintenance violations. So, in the International Property Maintenance Code, it does reference under um I believe it's section 108, which is general. Um, it states that any property that has been vacant for longer than 90 days and any property without active utilities—water, electric, um or gas if your gas service um takes care of your heat, water heater, things of that nature—that would make it condemnable, so that would make it to where it's uninhabitable. Um, anything that is, you know, without those utilities makes it to where it's not safe for human habitation. So that's where the condemnation comes in. It did start with the vacant building, condemnation came in due to the lack of utilities as well. So, I can understand the confusion, but they do kind of go together in a situation where there isn't any utilities.","topics_json":"[\"housing\"]","vector_id":"vec_seg_101610_354","created_at":"2026-10-31T08:06:00Z","speaker_name":"Mrs. Pratt"},{"id":"seg_101610_355","meeting_id":"101610","media_asset_id":"med_101610_4bb4eac7bcf5cd5f","agenda_item_id":null,"speaker_id":"spk_101610_what_the_city","speaker_confidence":0.9,"start_sec":5044.1,"end_sec":5046,"text":"Yeah, that's what I mean, that they are related.","topics_json":"[\"housing\"]","vector_id":"vec_seg_101610_355","created_at":"2026-10-31T08:06:00Z","speaker_name":"what the city"},{"id":"seg_101610_356","meeting_id":"101610","media_asset_id":"med_101610_4bb4eac7bcf5cd5f","agenda_item_id":null,"speaker_id":"spk_101610_chair","speaker_confidence":0.8,"start_sec":5046.1,"end_sec":5048.6,"text":"Mr. Mr. Copp, you're recognized.","topics_json":"[\"housing\"]","vector_id":"vec_seg_101610_356","created_at":"2026-10-31T08:06:00Z","speaker_name":null},{"id":"seg_101610_357","meeting_id":"101610","media_asset_id":"med_101610_4bb4eac7bcf5cd5f","agenda_item_id":null,"speaker_id":"spk_101610_director_copp","speaker_confidence":0.9,"start_sec":5048.7,"end_sec":5151.1,"text":"Um, and and just a caveat on that, uh Mrs. Pratt is correct. But when it comes to condemnation, you don't need but one uh one of those factors, and the fact it could very well be utilities. Uh the lack of utilities is um, unfortunately, a health and life safety concern, which is why the ICC recognizes it as a condemn factor, and uh a condemnation was placed. So, even if the building was not vacant and even if there was not a previous case, the lack of utilities for a property uh would require the condemnation based on that. And the ICC code's just just for the record, um the International Code Council, 2009 International Property Maintenance Code, was adopted in chapter 22-221 of the Dover Code of Ordinances. So, that section was adopted in code, and that's the code that we're referencing.","topics_json":"[\"housing\"]","vector_id":"vec_seg_101610_357","created_at":"2026-10-31T08:06:00Z","speaker_name":"Director Copp"},{"id":"seg_101610_358","meeting_id":"101610","media_asset_id":"med_101610_4bb4eac7bcf5cd5f","agenda_item_id":null,"speaker_id":"spk_101610_chair","speaker_confidence":0.8,"start_sec":5160.4,"end_sec":5162.9,"text":"Any any comments?","topics_json":"[]","vector_id":"vec_seg_101610_358","created_at":"2026-10-31T08:06:00Z","speaker_name":null},{"id":"seg_101610_359","meeting_id":"101610","media_asset_id":"med_101610_4bb4eac7bcf5cd5f","agenda_item_id":null,"speaker_id":"off_andre_m_boggerty","speaker_confidence":0.95,"start_sec":5163.6,"end_sec":5165.3,"text":"Um, I I have a question if you get a chance.","topics_json":"[]","vector_id":"vec_seg_101610_359","created_at":"2026-10-31T08:06:00Z","speaker_name":"Andre M. Boggerty"},{"id":"seg_101610_36","meeting_id":"101610","media_asset_id":"med_101610_4bb4eac7bcf5cd5f","agenda_item_id":null,"speaker_id":"spk_101610_mr_deitrick","speaker_confidence":0.95,"start_sec":898.6,"end_sec":989.4,"text":"It's an unfortunate. But uh she has uh we have to try to get her some type of I lost my healthcare coverage through the marketplace. First you have it, then you don't. First you have it, then you don't. So I got hospital bills piling up for her being in the hospital that I'll end up having to work out some payment schedule. If I can get her healthcare coverage, that's great. Then I could get on the first year, I can get on the company plan, which is But if I have to put if they she gets denied healthcare coverage through the state, through the social services, okay, then I will have to put her on the company plan, and a cost and the current cost is for every 2 weeks is $445 for a good plan. And I'm making, I'm probably making uh 4,000 a month. It's better than what it was, cuz I'm getting paid for every hour I'm working, on the clock. But still, I'm trying to make it on a single-family income, and it's just that's why you see the car, the van, and I don't have any new fancy cars. You don't see a Lexus. You don't see any of that stuff.","topics_json":"[\"budget\"]","vector_id":"vec_seg_101610_36","created_at":"2026-10-31T08:05:59Z","speaker_name":"Mr. Deitrick"},{"id":"seg_101610_360","meeting_id":"101610","media_asset_id":"med_101610_4bb4eac7bcf5cd5f","agenda_item_id":null,"speaker_id":"spk_101610_chair","speaker_confidence":0.8,"start_sec":5165.4,"end_sec":5166.7,"text":"Mr. Boggerty, you're recognized.","topics_json":"[]","vector_id":"vec_seg_101610_360","created_at":"2026-10-31T08:06:00Z","speaker_name":null},{"id":"seg_101610_361","meeting_id":"101610","media_asset_id":"med_101610_4bb4eac7bcf5cd5f","agenda_item_id":null,"speaker_id":"off_andre_m_boggerty","speaker_confidence":0.95,"start_sec":5167.1,"end_sec":5224.1,"text":"All right, thank you. Um, again, think uh I'm I'm leaning in to try to hear. Um, I I think I I think you I think it was stated just for clarity that you currently or you alternate your time between the boat and the home, is that what I heard you saying?","topics_json":"[\"housing\"]","vector_id":"vec_seg_101610_361","created_at":"2026-10-31T08:06:00Z","speaker_name":"Andre M. Boggerty"},{"id":"seg_101610_362","meeting_id":"101610","media_asset_id":"med_101610_4bb4eac7bcf5cd5f","agenda_item_id":null,"speaker_id":"spk_101610_what_the_city","speaker_confidence":0.9,"start_sec":5224.3,"end_sec":5224.9,"text":"Correct.","topics_json":"[\"housing\"]","vector_id":"vec_seg_101610_362","created_at":"2026-10-31T08:06:00Z","speaker_name":"what the city"},{"id":"seg_101610_363","meeting_id":"101610","media_asset_id":"med_101610_4bb4eac7bcf5cd5f","agenda_item_id":null,"speaker_id":"off_andre_m_boggerty","speaker_confidence":0.95,"start_sec":5225.5,"end_sec":5235.3,"text":"All right, and if there's no, um, and then in the home, and you said you're able to live without electricity-","topics_json":"[\"housing\"]","vector_id":"vec_seg_101610_363","created_at":"2026-10-31T08:06:00Z","speaker_name":"Andre M. Boggerty"},{"id":"seg_101610_364","meeting_id":"101610","media_asset_id":"med_101610_4bb4eac7bcf5cd5f","agenda_item_id":null,"speaker_id":"spk_101610_what_the_city","speaker_confidence":0.9,"start_sec":5235.4,"end_sec":5236.8,"text":"From the city, yeah, mm-hmm.","topics_json":"[\"housing\"]","vector_id":"vec_seg_101610_364","created_at":"2026-10-31T08:06:00Z","speaker_name":"what the city"},{"id":"seg_101610_365","meeting_id":"101610","media_asset_id":"med_101610_4bb4eac7bcf5cd5f","agenda_item_id":null,"speaker_id":"off_andre_m_boggerty","speaker_confidence":0.95,"start_sec":5236.9,"end_sec":5237.3,"text":"Huh?","topics_json":"[\"housing\"]","vector_id":"vec_seg_101610_365","created_at":"2026-10-31T08:06:00Z","speaker_name":"Andre M. Boggerty"},{"id":"seg_101610_366","meeting_id":"101610","media_asset_id":"med_101610_4bb4eac7bcf5cd5f","agenda_item_id":null,"speaker_id":"spk_101610_what_the_city","speaker_confidence":0.9,"start_sec":5237.9,"end_sec":5240,"text":"From the city, yeah, mm-hmm.","topics_json":"[\"housing\"]","vector_id":"vec_seg_101610_366","created_at":"2026-10-31T08:06:00Z","speaker_name":"what the city"},{"id":"seg_101610_367","meeting_id":"101610","media_asset_id":"med_101610_4bb4eac7bcf5cd5f","agenda_item_id":null,"speaker_id":"off_andre_m_boggerty","speaker_confidence":0.95,"start_sec":5240.3,"end_sec":5243.9,"text":"From the city. So what sources of electricity, heat, water-","topics_json":"[\"housing\"]","vector_id":"vec_seg_101610_367","created_at":"2026-10-31T08:06:00Z","speaker_name":"Andre M. Boggerty"},{"id":"seg_101610_368","meeting_id":"101610","media_asset_id":"med_101610_4bb4eac7bcf5cd5f","agenda_item_id":null,"speaker_id":"spk_101610_what_the_city","speaker_confidence":0.9,"start_sec":5244.1,"end_sec":5250.7,"text":"You can use solar, and use a generator power. Those are the powers I have.","topics_json":"[\"housing\"]","vector_id":"vec_seg_101610_368","created_at":"2026-10-31T08:06:00Z","speaker_name":"what the city"},{"id":"seg_101610_369","meeting_id":"101610","media_asset_id":"med_101610_4bb4eac7bcf5cd5f","agenda_item_id":null,"speaker_id":"off_andre_m_boggerty","speaker_confidence":0.95,"start_sec":5250.8,"end_sec":5252.3,"text":"You use a generator inside the home?","topics_json":"[\"housing\",\"public_safety\"]","vector_id":"vec_seg_101610_369","created_at":"2026-10-31T08:06:00Z","speaker_name":"Andre M. Boggerty"},{"id":"seg_101610_37","meeting_id":"101610","media_asset_id":"med_101610_4bb4eac7bcf5cd5f","agenda_item_id":null,"speaker_id":"spk_101610_mr_deitrick","speaker_confidence":0.95,"start_sec":899.6,"end_sec":971.2,"text":"And, yeah, that's why the property, unfortunately, has been gone to hell in a hand- pardon my French, but gone to hell in a handbasket. There's that big tree in the front property I need to deal with. That's going to be, uh I know that's not a code enforcement violation at the moment. It, you know, but I'm going to have to get an arborist. Dad's been in the hospital with a, you know, he just had a stroke. So I'm just dealing with that, and just everything's just, I have a lot on my plate. So, unfortunately, in the in the uh shall we say, the day to day the by and by, certain things regrettably get put on the back burner. So if I have money I have to spend for medicine for her, and then I have to go to Lowe's and get $50 worth of weed killer, common sense dictates it's going to go for the medicine first.","topics_json":"[]","vector_id":"vec_seg_101610_37","created_at":"2026-10-31T08:05:59Z","speaker_name":"Mr. Deitrick"},{"id":"seg_101610_370","meeting_id":"101610","media_asset_id":"med_101610_4bb4eac7bcf5cd5f","agenda_item_id":null,"speaker_id":"spk_101610_what_the_city","speaker_confidence":0.9,"start_sec":5252.4,"end_sec":5324.8,"text":"When it comes to the home, the home is not, the home didn't require any power. The hot water heater was on in terms of it. Um, I I did not really intend for the power to be cut off uh at all, so just understand that I was not aware that the power had even been necessarily uh uh cut off from it. If anything, my major problem in my house had been my heat had gone off. So, our gas heater was no longer a functional part of the house.","topics_json":"[\"housing\"]","vector_id":"vec_seg_101610_370","created_at":"2026-10-31T08:06:00Z","speaker_name":"what the city"},{"id":"seg_101610_371","meeting_id":"101610","media_asset_id":"med_101610_4bb4eac7bcf5cd5f","agenda_item_id":null,"speaker_id":"off_andre_m_boggerty","speaker_confidence":0.95,"start_sec":5324.9,"end_sec":5339.8,"text":"Yeah, and my colleague raised a uh a point, although we're supposed to bifurcate, but I will raise the point again, um winter's coming, how and you know, what does that look like um with no heat?","topics_json":"[\"housing\"]","vector_id":"vec_seg_101610_371","created_at":"2026-10-31T08:06:00Z","speaker_name":"Andre M. Boggerty"},{"id":"seg_101610_372","meeting_id":"101610","media_asset_id":"med_101610_4bb4eac7bcf5cd5f","agenda_item_id":null,"speaker_id":"spk_101610_what_the_city","speaker_confidence":0.9,"start_sec":5339.9,"end_sec":5364,"text":"Are we talking about currently? Are we talking about currently, because we're about to head this all off. You do realize that the house is being renovated. All the floors have been stripped, the drywall work is being done in terms of it, the heat has been replaced. That stuff has been kind of a known deal throughout this whole period of time. So, the power and the heat was restored within 30 days of notification.","topics_json":"[\"housing\"]","vector_id":"vec_seg_101610_372","created_at":"2026-10-31T08:06:00Z","speaker_name":"what the city"},{"id":"seg_101610_373","meeting_id":"101610","media_asset_id":"med_101610_4bb4eac7bcf5cd5f","agenda_item_id":null,"speaker_id":"off_andre_m_boggerty","speaker_confidence":0.95,"start_sec":5364.3,"end_sec":5367.2,"text":"Okay. So so so the the house does have power now?","topics_json":"[\"housing\"]","vector_id":"vec_seg_101610_373","created_at":"2026-10-31T08:06:00Z","speaker_name":"Andre M. Boggerty"},{"id":"seg_101610_374","meeting_id":"101610","media_asset_id":"med_101610_4bb4eac7bcf5cd5f","agenda_item_id":null,"speaker_id":"spk_101610_what_the_city","speaker_confidence":0.9,"start_sec":5367.3,"end_sec":5375.8,"text":"Oh, yeah. The house has had power as soon as I've realized that the house didn't have power and that that was an issue, the house I had to re-power the house in order to try to do anything in the house.","topics_json":"[\"housing\"]","vector_id":"vec_seg_101610_374","created_at":"2026-10-31T08:06:00Z","speaker_name":"what the city"},{"id":"seg_101610_375","meeting_id":"101610","media_asset_id":"med_101610_4bb4eac7bcf5cd5f","agenda_item_id":null,"speaker_id":"off_andre_m_boggerty","speaker_confidence":0.95,"start_sec":5376.3,"end_sec":5456.4,"text":"Okay, that I'm sorry. And and it part of me it may sound redundant, but I if you see me leaning in, again, you know, I I didn't want to come and pass this bug around to individuals, but I definitely wanted to be in attendance. So maybe you said it and I and unfortunately it passed me. All right. And and then and then now that the house is being redone, uh um Mr. Cop- uh Officer Copp, is that is the work that's being redone in the house, is that something that has required permits, or no work, the work is not like internal work is not something, the work being done is not something that needed, required permits, that does not require permits?","topics_json":"[\"housing\"]","vector_id":"vec_seg_101610_375","created_at":"2026-10-31T08:06:00Z","speaker_name":"Andre M. Boggerty"},{"id":"seg_101610_376","meeting_id":"101610","media_asset_id":"med_101610_4bb4eac7bcf5cd5f","agenda_item_id":null,"speaker_id":"spk_101610_director_copp","speaker_confidence":0.9,"start_sec":5457.6,"end_sec":5528.4,"text":"Um, so just just for clarification, um, in review of the permits, I do see a mechanical permit was issued April 2nd of 2026 for this property. Um, I do not see any residential renovation permit, which would be required if floors are being replaced. If it's as simple as as drywall, that's not structural, that's cosmetic, but when it comes in terms of a floor, it would require um a residential renovation permit, which I do not see on file.","topics_json":"[\"housing\"]","vector_id":"vec_seg_101610_376","created_at":"2026-10-31T08:06:00Z","speaker_name":"Director Copp"},{"id":"seg_101610_377","meeting_id":"101610","media_asset_id":"med_101610_4bb4eac7bcf5cd5f","agenda_item_id":null,"speaker_id":"spk_101610_what_the_city","speaker_confidence":0.9,"start_sec":5528.5,"end_sec":5533.6,"text":"And when we're talking about flooring, are we are we talking about the carpet, or are we talking about subfloor?","topics_json":"[\"housing\"]","vector_id":"vec_seg_101610_377","created_at":"2026-10-31T08:06:00Z","speaker_name":"what the city"},{"id":"seg_101610_378","meeting_id":"101610","media_asset_id":"med_101610_4bb4eac7bcf5cd5f","agenda_item_id":null,"speaker_id":"off_andre_m_boggerty","speaker_confidence":0.95,"start_sec":5534,"end_sec":5535.2,"text":"Yeah, like I said, yeah, subflooring.","topics_json":"[\"housing\"]","vector_id":"vec_seg_101610_378","created_at":"2026-10-31T08:06:00Z","speaker_name":"Andre M. Boggerty"},{"id":"seg_101610_379","meeting_id":"101610","media_asset_id":"med_101610_4bb4eac7bcf5cd5f","agenda_item_id":null,"speaker_id":"spk_101610_what_the_city","speaker_confidence":0.9,"start_sec":5535.3,"end_sec":5536.4,"text":"No, no subflooring has been replaced.","topics_json":"[\"housing\"]","vector_id":"vec_seg_101610_379","created_at":"2026-10-31T08:06:00Z","speaker_name":"what the city"},{"id":"seg_101610_38","meeting_id":"101610","media_asset_id":"med_101610_4bb4eac7bcf5cd5f","agenda_item_id":null,"speaker_id":"spk_101610_mr_deitrick","speaker_confidence":0.95,"start_sec":971.5,"end_sec":1042.8,"text":"So that's where we're at, and that's why the property has gone like it has. At first, I never had all that stuff. I mean, she planted stuff, and it's just got overgrown. So I have to get my, you know, get working on it, and just get everything back up to snuff. But I just If I'm fined $1,000 here, $500 here, here, and here, and here, it's it's just it's going to it's going to work against me. I'm being very honest and factual. No disrespect to anybody here. I'm not trying to be rude or anything. But it's just not going to It's not going to help. I got a lot to do, and I got friends I can turn to. If you notice along the back, you go in the back alley, you'll see that along the fence, where that's all been killed. That is commercial grade uh Roundup. Commercial grade. And within a week, it burned that down to nothing. And I'm hoping what I sprayed down in the other areas, I can get that to a point where this autumn, I can start really start going to town with a chainsaw, and cut down that There's a big tree right there where the fence runs up.","topics_json":"[]","vector_id":"vec_seg_101610_38","created_at":"2026-10-31T08:05:59Z","speaker_name":"Mr. Deitrick"},{"id":"seg_101610_380","meeting_id":"101610","media_asset_id":"med_101610_4bb4eac7bcf5cd5f","agenda_item_id":null,"speaker_id":"off_andre_m_boggerty","speaker_confidence":0.95,"start_sec":5536.6,"end_sec":5539.6,"text":"Oh. So, what Changing carpet, you don't need a permit for that.","topics_json":"[\"housing\"]","vector_id":"vec_seg_101610_380","created_at":"2026-10-31T08:06:00Z","speaker_name":"Andre M. Boggerty"},{"id":"seg_101610_381","meeting_id":"101610","media_asset_id":"med_101610_4bb4eac7bcf5cd5f","agenda_item_id":null,"speaker_id":"spk_101610_director_copp","speaker_confidence":0.9,"start_sec":5539.8,"end_sec":5545.8,"text":"I guess the best question would be what is the scope of work being conducted in the house at this time?","topics_json":"[\"housing\"]","vector_id":"vec_seg_101610_381","created_at":"2026-10-31T08:06:00Z","speaker_name":"Director Copp"},{"id":"seg_101610_382","meeting_id":"101610","media_asset_id":"med_101610_4bb4eac7bcf5cd5f","agenda_item_id":null,"speaker_id":"spk_101610_what_the_city","speaker_confidence":0.9,"start_sec":5545.9,"end_sec":5553.6,"text":"Drywall and carpet and uh Okay. planking. Okay. Flooring. Wood All right. Oh. LVP.","topics_json":"[\"housing\"]","vector_id":"vec_seg_101610_382","created_at":"2026-10-31T08:06:00Z","speaker_name":"what the city"},{"id":"seg_101610_383","meeting_id":"101610","media_asset_id":"med_101610_4bb4eac7bcf5cd5f","agenda_item_id":null,"speaker_id":"spk_101610_director_copp","speaker_confidence":0.9,"start_sec":5554.7,"end_sec":5576.6,"text":"Okay. Okay, so so that changes things. Um, would it be, I mean I think the best way to resolve this case would be to uh conduct an inspection. I mean, Right. the way the way it was described, the way my interpretation of it is when you first described it was the floors are not walkable, right, it's unsafe to walk on.","topics_json":"[\"housing\"]","vector_id":"vec_seg_101610_383","created_at":"2026-10-31T08:06:00Z","speaker_name":"Director Copp"},{"id":"seg_101610_384","meeting_id":"101610","media_asset_id":"med_101610_4bb4eac7bcf5cd5f","agenda_item_id":null,"speaker_id":"spk_101610_what_the_city","speaker_confidence":0.9,"start_sec":5576.9,"end_sec":5644.9,"text":"I I see, again, everything that you're talking about and, you know, you can surely draw that conclusion from from your mind, but you can't look in the building and see it, you can't walk on the floors and see it. So, I'm not really sure, and since this is the first you have any inclination that there was ever any water leakage in the house, you're being told that now. So, what the I'm trying to figure out how you knew in the in the past what was going to be told to you in the future.","topics_json":"[\"housing\"]","vector_id":"vec_seg_101610_384","created_at":"2026-10-31T08:06:00Z","speaker_name":"what the city"},{"id":"seg_101610_385","meeting_id":"101610","media_asset_id":"med_101610_4bb4eac7bcf5cd5f","agenda_item_id":null,"speaker_id":"spk_101610_director_copp","speaker_confidence":0.9,"start_sec":5646.6,"end_sec":5651.2,"text":"Well, I'm basing based on your testimony. 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Boggerty"},{"id":"seg_101610_387","meeting_id":"101610","media_asset_id":"med_101610_4bb4eac7bcf5cd5f","agenda_item_id":null,"speaker_id":"spk_101610_chair","speaker_confidence":0.8,"start_sec":5652.1,"end_sec":5653.2,"text":"Hang on, hang on, Mr. Boggerty, hang on.","topics_json":"[]","vector_id":"vec_seg_101610_387","created_at":"2026-10-31T08:06:00Z","speaker_name":null},{"id":"seg_101610_388","meeting_id":"101610","media_asset_id":"med_101610_4bb4eac7bcf5cd5f","agenda_item_id":null,"speaker_id":"off_andre_m_boggerty","speaker_confidence":0.95,"start_sec":5653.3,"end_sec":5654.4,"text":"I'm sorry, I apologize. I'm I I","topics_json":"[]","vector_id":"vec_seg_101610_388","created_at":"2026-10-31T08:06:00Z","speaker_name":"Andre M. Boggerty"},{"id":"seg_101610_389","meeting_id":"101610","media_asset_id":"med_101610_4bb4eac7bcf5cd5f","agenda_item_id":null,"speaker_id":"spk_101610_director_copp","speaker_confidence":0.9,"start_sec":5654.5,"end_sec":5677.9,"text":"Where we're at now, since the electric's been restored, if we're able to inspect the property, that resolves the case. Uh at this point, based on your your testimony, if it's just drywall and floor, it wouldn't require a permit. Um the electric's restored, we verify the electric's restored, um we verify there's uh no life safety concerns, the case is closed.","topics_json":"[\"housing\"]","vector_id":"vec_seg_101610_389","created_at":"2026-10-31T08:06:00Z","speaker_name":"Director Copp"},{"id":"seg_101610_39","meeting_id":"101610","media_asset_id":"med_101610_4bb4eac7bcf5cd5f","agenda_item_id":null,"speaker_id":"spk_101610_mr_deitrick","speaker_confidence":0.95,"start_sec":1043.2,"end_sec":1073.4,"text":"I want to cut that down before I put any type of new fencing up. I had a temporary snow fence I was going to put up, but I didn't see the feasibility with that stuff being in the road. A couple years ago, had my electric get knocked out, that there was a dead tree in the corner at some lady next door to me, and it dead, it came down and knocked out my electric, and $18,000 it cost my insurance. I had to get that. That was a couple of years ago. And of course, you know, I have stuff in the back that's grown. There's a some it's a Formosa tree, I got to get up there and chop it, get it cut down. So I have a lot to do.","topics_json":"[]","vector_id":"vec_seg_101610_39","created_at":"2026-10-31T08:05:59Z","speaker_name":"Mr. Deitrick"},{"id":"seg_101610_390","meeting_id":"101610","media_asset_id":"med_101610_4bb4eac7bcf5cd5f","agenda_item_id":null,"speaker_id":"spk_101610_what_the_city","speaker_confidence":0.9,"start_sec":5678.4,"end_sec":5733.9,"text":"And all I need to find out is what are the things that are so incorrect that I need to have corrected for you to be able to come in, because that became my issue. So, I couldn't tell a subcontractor this is what you need to correct, because this is what the city inspectors have told me are the issues. Right. 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You're like saying to me, I got to let you come in, poke through my house, look around, see what you want to find, and then write up, and not have me be able to correct it before you get there, because you did that was the reason for you to be there.","topics_json":"[\"housing\"]","vector_id":"vec_seg_101610_392","created_at":"2026-10-31T08:06:00Z","speaker_name":"what the city"},{"id":"seg_101610_393","meeting_id":"101610","media_asset_id":"med_101610_4bb4eac7bcf5cd5f","agenda_item_id":null,"speaker_id":"spk_101610_director_copp","speaker_confidence":0.9,"start_sec":5763.1,"end_sec":5773.8,"text":"So, since there is a active vacant building case on there, it would require an annual interior inspection of the property. It's all going down the same road. 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So if it was a business being used as storage, then that's where that factor comes in, but because this is your private residence, right, the storage you it's your residence as long as it's not-","topics_json":"[\"housing\"]","vector_id":"vec_seg_101610_394","created_at":"2026-10-31T08:06:00Z","speaker_name":"Director Copp"},{"id":"seg_101610_395","meeting_id":"101610","media_asset_id":"med_101610_4bb4eac7bcf5cd5f","agenda_item_id":null,"speaker_id":"spk_101610_what_the_city","speaker_confidence":0.9,"start_sec":5854.2,"end_sec":5872,"text":"Can I They weren't stored there in terms of it, they are actively being worked on. And they're being stored in a separate site. So most all of that medical stuff, everything that was in the office was actually in storage, I had storage for it. 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The structure, and-","topics_json":"[\"housing\"]","vector_id":"vec_seg_101610_396","created_at":"2026-10-31T08:06:00Z","speaker_name":"Director Copp"},{"id":"seg_101610_397","meeting_id":"101610","media_asset_id":"med_101610_4bb4eac7bcf5cd5f","agenda_item_id":null,"speaker_id":"spk_101610_what_the_city","speaker_confidence":0.9,"start_sec":5891.9,"end_sec":5898.6,"text":"And now it'd be some pictures that you can produce, something that you can produce that I could then turn around and explain to somebody,","topics_json":"[\"housing\"]","vector_id":"vec_seg_101610_397","created_at":"2026-10-31T08:06:00Z","speaker_name":"what the city"},{"id":"seg_101610_398","meeting_id":"101610","media_asset_id":"med_101610_4bb4eac7bcf5cd5f","agenda_item_id":null,"speaker_id":"spk_101610_board_chair","speaker_confidence":0.9,"start_sec":5898.62,"end_sec":5903.82,"text":"The motion carries. You have 30 days to schedule your, the inspection.","topics_json":"[\"housing\"]","vector_id":"vec_seg_101610_398","created_at":"2026-10-31T08:06:00Z","speaker_name":null},{"id":"seg_101610_399","meeting_id":"101610","media_asset_id":"med_101610_4bb4eac7bcf5cd5f","agenda_item_id":null,"speaker_id":"spk_101610_board_member","speaker_confidence":0.85,"start_sec":5903.82,"end_sec":5906.72,"text":"It is basically a walk-through.","topics_json":"[\"housing\"]","vector_id":"vec_seg_101610_399","created_at":"2026-10-31T08:06:00Z","speaker_name":null},{"id":"seg_101610_4","meeting_id":"101610","media_asset_id":"med_101610_4bb4eac7bcf5cd5f","agenda_item_id":null,"speaker_id":"spk_101610_sierra_brown","speaker_confidence":0.9,"start_sec":30.5,"end_sec":33.3,"text":"Mr. Boggerty, are you there?","topics_json":"[]","vector_id":"vec_seg_101610_4","created_at":"2026-10-31T08:05:58Z","speaker_name":"Sierra Brown"},{"id":"seg_101610_40","meeting_id":"101610","media_asset_id":"med_101610_4bb4eac7bcf5cd5f","agenda_item_id":null,"speaker_id":"spk_101610_campana","speaker_confidence":0.85,"start_sec":1073.5,"end_sec":1078.6,"text":"Let me let me ask let me ask uh code enforcement uh what is the uh amount of the fine at this point?","topics_json":"[]","vector_id":"vec_seg_101610_40","created_at":"2026-10-31T08:05:59Z","speaker_name":"Campana"},{"id":"seg_101610_400","meeting_id":"101610","media_asset_id":"med_101610_4bb4eac7bcf5cd5f","agenda_item_id":null,"speaker_id":"spk_101610_board_chair","speaker_confidence":0.9,"start_sec":5906.72,"end_sec":5909.12,"text":"Okay?","topics_json":"[]","vector_id":"vec_seg_101610_400","created_at":"2026-10-31T08:06:00Z","speaker_name":null},{"id":"seg_101610_401","meeting_id":"101610","media_asset_id":"med_101610_4bb4eac7bcf5cd5f","agenda_item_id":null,"speaker_id":"spk_101610_appellant","speaker_confidence":0.9,"start_sec":5910.42,"end_sec":5926.52,"text":"That's the best I get, we'll get what we get, guys. So just understand that. I don't, I personally don't think that this is appropriate. Okay? That's, that's...","topics_json":"[\"housing\"]","vector_id":"vec_seg_101610_401","created_at":"2026-10-31T08:06:00Z","speaker_name":null},{"id":"seg_101610_402","meeting_id":"101610","media_asset_id":"med_101610_4bb4eac7bcf5cd5f","agenda_item_id":null,"speaker_id":"spk_101610_board_chair","speaker_confidence":0.9,"start_sec":5926.62,"end_sec":5927.82,"text":"I understand.","topics_json":"[]","vector_id":"vec_seg_101610_402","created_at":"2026-10-31T08:06:00Z","speaker_name":null},{"id":"seg_101610_403","meeting_id":"101610","media_asset_id":"med_101610_4bb4eac7bcf5cd5f","agenda_item_id":null,"speaker_id":"spk_101610_appellant","speaker_confidence":0.9,"start_sec":5927.82,"end_sec":5930.42,"text":"No, you know this is my two minutes.","topics_json":"[]","vector_id":"vec_seg_101610_403","created_at":"2026-10-31T08:06:00Z","speaker_name":null},{"id":"seg_101610_404","meeting_id":"101610","media_asset_id":"med_101610_4bb4eac7bcf5cd5f","agenda_item_id":null,"speaker_id":"spk_101610_board_chair","speaker_confidence":0.9,"start_sec":5930.42,"end_sec":5934.42,"text":"Well, we don't, you don't have two minutes. We already, we already passed judgment on it.","topics_json":"[]","vector_id":"vec_seg_101610_404","created_at":"2026-10-31T08:06:00Z","speaker_name":null},{"id":"seg_101610_405","meeting_id":"101610","media_asset_id":"med_101610_4bb4eac7bcf5cd5f","agenda_item_id":null,"speaker_id":"spk_101610_appellant","speaker_confidence":0.9,"start_sec":5934.42,"end_sec":5938.42,"text":"I understand that in terms of it, but I'm taking two minutes to get to the board.","topics_json":"[]","vector_id":"vec_seg_101610_405","created_at":"2026-10-31T08:06:00Z","speaker_name":null},{"id":"seg_101610_406","meeting_id":"101610","media_asset_id":"med_101610_4bb4eac7bcf5cd5f","agenda_item_id":null,"speaker_id":"spk_101610_board_chair","speaker_confidence":0.9,"start_sec":5938.42,"end_sec":5940.12,"text":"Right. Okay.","topics_json":"[]","vector_id":"vec_seg_101610_406","created_at":"2026-10-31T08:06:00Z","speaker_name":null},{"id":"seg_101610_407","meeting_id":"101610","media_asset_id":"med_101610_4bb4eac7bcf5cd5f","agenda_item_id":null,"speaker_id":"spk_101610_appellant","speaker_confidence":0.9,"start_sec":5940.12,"end_sec":5949.32,"text":"I just don't, I don't think that this is, I don't think that this is accomplishing what you think it's accomplishing. It's just going to make more bad will.","topics_json":"[\"housing\"]","vector_id":"vec_seg_101610_407","created_at":"2026-10-31T08:06:00Z","speaker_name":null},{"id":"seg_101610_408","meeting_id":"101610","media_asset_id":"med_101610_4bb4eac7bcf5cd5f","agenda_item_id":null,"speaker_id":"spk_101610_board_member","speaker_confidence":0.85,"start_sec":5949.32,"end_sec":5951.82,"text":"No, we're just trying to get you off the hook.","topics_json":"[\"housing\"]","vector_id":"vec_seg_101610_408","created_at":"2026-10-31T08:06:00Z","speaker_name":null},{"id":"seg_101610_409","meeting_id":"101610","media_asset_id":"med_101610_4bb4eac7bcf5cd5f","agenda_item_id":null,"speaker_id":"spk_101610_appellant","speaker_confidence":0.9,"start_sec":5951.82,"end_sec":6011.82,"text":"No, because somebody's able to come to my house and peek in my windows in terms of it and say, 'Oh, we need to come into this place', make statements that really might put the city in a little bit of, in a little bit of jeopardy and that you can't make you know statements that you cannot back up...","topics_json":"[\"housing\"]","vector_id":"vec_seg_101610_409","created_at":"2026-10-31T08:06:00Z","speaker_name":null},{"id":"seg_101610_41","meeting_id":"101610","media_asset_id":"med_101610_4bb4eac7bcf5cd5f","agenda_item_id":null,"speaker_id":"spk_101610_sierra_brown","speaker_confidence":0.95,"start_sec":1079.1,"end_sec":1085.6,"text":"Um, the one that's being appealed is $1,000, but currently on this case, there is $2,100.","topics_json":"[]","vector_id":"vec_seg_101610_41","created_at":"2026-10-31T08:05:59Z","speaker_name":"Sierra Brown"},{"id":"seg_101610_410","meeting_id":"101610","media_asset_id":"med_101610_4bb4eac7bcf5cd5f","agenda_item_id":null,"speaker_id":"spk_101610_board_chair","speaker_confidence":0.95,"start_sec":6011.82,"end_sec":6024.72,"text":"Well, I have to make one statement before we go any further. Uh without, since there's no further business for the Construction Property Maintenance Code Enforcement Board of Appeals, I now call this meeting adjourned.","topics_json":"[\"housing\"]","vector_id":"vec_seg_101610_410","created_at":"2026-10-31T08:06:00Z","speaker_name":null},{"id":"seg_101610_411","meeting_id":"101610","media_asset_id":"med_101610_4bb4eac7bcf5cd5f","agenda_item_id":null,"speaker_id":"spk_101610_board_member","speaker_confidence":0.8,"start_sec":6024.72,"end_sec":6026.62,"text":"Thank you. Very good.","topics_json":"[]","vector_id":"vec_seg_101610_411","created_at":"2026-10-31T08:06:00Z","speaker_name":null},{"id":"seg_101610_412","meeting_id":"101610","media_asset_id":"med_101610_4bb4eac7bcf5cd5f","agenda_item_id":null,"speaker_id":"spk_101610_board_chair","speaker_confidence":0.9,"start_sec":6026.62,"end_sec":6027.82,"text":"Okay. I'm sorry.","topics_json":"[]","vector_id":"vec_seg_101610_412","created_at":"2026-10-31T08:06:00Z","speaker_name":null},{"id":"seg_101610_413","meeting_id":"101610","media_asset_id":"med_101610_4bb4eac7bcf5cd5f","agenda_item_id":null,"speaker_id":"spk_101610_appellant","speaker_confidence":0.9,"start_sec":6027.82,"end_sec":6033.42,"text":"No, that's all right. But just understand that. I don't, you know, this to me is a, is very evasive.","topics_json":"[\"housing\"]","vector_id":"vec_seg_101610_413","created_at":"2026-10-31T08:06:00Z","speaker_name":null},{"id":"seg_101610_42","meeting_id":"101610","media_asset_id":"med_101610_4bb4eac7bcf5cd5f","agenda_item_id":null,"speaker_id":"spk_101610_campana","speaker_confidence":0.85,"start_sec":1086.3,"end_sec":1090.7,"text":"And the and the thousand is for the fence itself, or","topics_json":"[]","vector_id":"vec_seg_101610_42","created_at":"2026-10-31T08:05:59Z","speaker_name":"Campana"},{"id":"seg_101610_43","meeting_id":"101610","media_asset_id":"med_101610_4bb4eac7bcf5cd5f","agenda_item_id":null,"speaker_id":"spk_101610_sierra_brown","speaker_confidence":0.95,"start_sec":1090.8,"end_sec":1094,"text":"Um, it would be for the non-compliance of the violations, so the fence and the overgrowth.","topics_json":"[]","vector_id":"vec_seg_101610_43","created_at":"2026-10-31T08:05:59Z","speaker_name":"Sierra Brown"},{"id":"seg_101610_44","meeting_id":"101610","media_asset_id":"med_101610_4bb4eac7bcf5cd5f","agenda_item_id":null,"speaker_id":"spk_101610_campana","speaker_confidence":0.85,"start_sec":1094.6,"end_sec":1102.5,"text":"So other than the fence and the growth, is there any any other violations that you have?","topics_json":"[]","vector_id":"vec_seg_101610_44","created_at":"2026-10-31T08:05:59Z","speaker_name":"Campana"},{"id":"seg_101610_45","meeting_id":"101610","media_asset_id":"med_101610_4bb4eac7bcf5cd5f","agenda_item_id":null,"speaker_id":"spk_101610_sierra_brown","speaker_confidence":0.95,"start_sec":1102.7,"end_sec":1114.7,"text":"Um, right now the only things that we have on the property is going to be the overgrown vegetation and the fence. Um, other items that were mentioned, like the tree, is not in violation as of yet. So these are the only two that are that are outstanding.","topics_json":"[]","vector_id":"vec_seg_101610_45","created_at":"2026-10-31T08:05:59Z","speaker_name":"Sierra Brown"},{"id":"seg_101610_46","meeting_id":"101610","media_asset_id":"med_101610_4bb4eac7bcf5cd5f","agenda_item_id":null,"speaker_id":"spk_101610_campana","speaker_confidence":0.85,"start_sec":1115.1,"end_sec":1121.2,"text":"So the total is is 2,100 and the fine that we're addressing right now is a thousand?","topics_json":"[]","vector_id":"vec_seg_101610_46","created_at":"2026-10-31T08:05:59Z","speaker_name":"Campana"},{"id":"seg_101610_47","meeting_id":"101610","media_asset_id":"med_101610_4bb4eac7bcf5cd5f","agenda_item_id":null,"speaker_id":"spk_101610_sierra_brown","speaker_confidence":0.95,"start_sec":1121.3,"end_sec":1122,"text":"Yes, sir.","topics_json":"[]","vector_id":"vec_seg_101610_47","created_at":"2026-10-31T08:05:59Z","speaker_name":"Sierra Brown"},{"id":"seg_101610_48","meeting_id":"101610","media_asset_id":"med_101610_4bb4eac7bcf5cd5f","agenda_item_id":null,"speaker_id":"spk_101610_mr_deitrick","speaker_confidence":0.95,"start_sec":1123.6,"end_sec":1153.2,"text":"I just want to put out there to the everybody here that it's not my intent to ignore I've received all the letters. I'm not trying to ignore it. It's just I've not had the resources to turn around on. I had to buy the fencing, and at single-family income, it's not been financially possible. So, but I hope moving along, maybe I can figure out something, get some donated fence or something like that, or I'll figure out figure something out. Crossing free, but that's what I've been doing.","topics_json":"[]","vector_id":"vec_seg_101610_48","created_at":"2026-10-31T08:05:59Z","speaker_name":"Mr. Deitrick"},{"id":"seg_101610_49","meeting_id":"101610","media_asset_id":"med_101610_4bb4eac7bcf5cd5f","agenda_item_id":null,"speaker_id":"spk_101610_campana","speaker_confidence":0.85,"start_sec":1153.8,"end_sec":1160,"text":"Well, if the fence was fence that fell down was removed, would would he still be in violation?","topics_json":"[]","vector_id":"vec_seg_101610_49","created_at":"2026-10-31T08:05:59Z","speaker_name":"Campana"},{"id":"seg_101610_5","meeting_id":"101610","media_asset_id":"med_101610_4bb4eac7bcf5cd5f","agenda_item_id":null,"speaker_id":"spk_101610_sierra_brown","speaker_confidence":0.85,"start_sec":53.4,"end_sec":54.7,"text":"There he is.","topics_json":"[]","vector_id":"vec_seg_101610_5","created_at":"2026-10-31T08:05:58Z","speaker_name":"Sierra Brown"},{"id":"seg_101610_50","meeting_id":"101610","media_asset_id":"med_101610_4bb4eac7bcf5cd5f","agenda_item_id":null,"speaker_id":"spk_101610_mr_deitrick","speaker_confidence":0.95,"start_sec":1160.2,"end_sec":1161.4,"text":"It's been removed.","topics_json":"[]","vector_id":"vec_seg_101610_50","created_at":"2026-10-31T08:05:59Z","speaker_name":"Mr. Deitrick"},{"id":"seg_101610_51","meeting_id":"101610","media_asset_id":"med_101610_4bb4eac7bcf5cd5f","agenda_item_id":null,"speaker_id":"spk_101610_campana","speaker_confidence":0.85,"start_sec":1164.2,"end_sec":1167.3,"text":"You know what I'm saying? 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Just to replace those couple sections, yeah.","topics_json":"[\"code_enforcement\"]","vector_id":"vec_seg_101610_60","created_at":"2026-10-31T08:05:59Z","speaker_name":"Cierra Brown"},{"id":"seg_101610_61","meeting_id":"101610","media_asset_id":"med_101610_4bb4eac7bcf5cd5f","agenda_item_id":null,"speaker_id":"spk_101610_property_owner","speaker_confidence":0.9,"start_sec":1210.12,"end_sec":1214.05,"text":"I have to find those sections and drop um haul the post and and put it up then.","topics_json":"[\"code_enforcement\"]","vector_id":"vec_seg_101610_61","created_at":"2026-10-31T08:05:59Z","speaker_name":null},{"id":"seg_101610_62","meeting_id":"101610","media_asset_id":"med_101610_4bb4eac7bcf5cd5f","agenda_item_id":null,"speaker_id":"spk_101610_cierra_brown","speaker_confidence":0.95,"start_sec":1214.14,"end_sec":1217.67,"text":"As long as you're using the same original um placement for the posts.","topics_json":"[\"code_enforcement\"]","vector_id":"vec_seg_101610_62","created_at":"2026-10-31T08:05:59Z","speaker_name":"Cierra Brown"},{"id":"seg_101610_63","meeting_id":"101610","media_asset_id":"med_101610_4bb4eac7bcf5cd5f","agenda_item_id":null,"speaker_id":"spk_101610_property_owner","speaker_confidence":0.9,"start_sec":1218.55,"end_sec":1227.68,"text":"Yeah, it it'll have to I cut them down to the ground. 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Because to me, that's the easiest way to go right now is to remove what you got in the","topics_json":"[\"code_enforcement\"]","vector_id":"vec_seg_101610_72","created_at":"2026-10-31T08:05:59Z","speaker_name":"Campanelli"},{"id":"seg_101610_73","meeting_id":"101610","media_asset_id":"med_101610_4bb4eac7bcf5cd5f","agenda_item_id":null,"speaker_id":"spk_101610_property_owner","speaker_confidence":0.9,"start_sec":1338.65,"end_sec":1381.88,"text":"Oh, I I mm. I don't know. 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You got You got my fence in the back, and then at 112, they put a fence","topics_json":"[\"code_enforcement\"]","vector_id":"vec_seg_101610_75","created_at":"2026-10-31T08:05:59Z","speaker_name":null},{"id":"seg_101610_76","meeting_id":"101610","media_asset_id":"med_101610_4bb4eac7bcf5cd5f","agenda_item_id":null,"speaker_id":"spk_101610_board_member","speaker_confidence":0.9,"start_sec":1391.49,"end_sec":1392.95,"text":"We're not worried about their fence.","topics_json":"[\"code_enforcement\"]","vector_id":"vec_seg_101610_76","created_at":"2026-10-31T08:05:59Z","speaker_name":null},{"id":"seg_101610_77","meeting_id":"101610","media_asset_id":"med_101610_4bb4eac7bcf5cd5f","agenda_item_id":null,"speaker_id":"spk_101610_campanelli","speaker_confidence":0.9,"start_sec":1392.97,"end_sec":1394.08,"text":"Yeah, we ain't worried about their fence.","topics_json":"[\"code_enforcement\"]","vector_id":"vec_seg_101610_77","created_at":"2026-10-31T08:05:59Z","speaker_name":"Campanelli"},{"id":"seg_101610_78","meeting_id":"101610","media_asset_id":"med_101610_4bb4eac7bcf5cd5f","agenda_item_id":null,"speaker_id":"spk_101610_property_owner","speaker_confidence":0.9,"start_sec":1394.1,"end_sec":1397.78,"text":"Well, I got They got They put a fence like that, they're that close together.","topics_json":"[\"code_enforcement\"]","vector_id":"vec_seg_101610_78","created_at":"2026-10-31T08:05:59Z","speaker_name":null},{"id":"seg_101610_79","meeting_id":"101610","media_asset_id":"med_101610_4bb4eac7bcf5cd5f","agenda_item_id":null,"speaker_id":"spk_101610_board_member","speaker_confidence":0.9,"start_sec":1397.8,"end_sec":1398.61,"text":"Mhm.","topics_json":"[]","vector_id":"vec_seg_101610_79","created_at":"2026-10-31T08:05:59Z","speaker_name":null},{"id":"seg_101610_8","meeting_id":"101610","media_asset_id":"med_101610_4bb4eac7bcf5cd5f","agenda_item_id":null,"speaker_id":"off_andre_m_boggerty","speaker_confidence":0.95,"start_sec":60.3,"end_sec":61.8,"text":"Okay, I'm here.","topics_json":"[]","vector_id":"vec_seg_101610_8","created_at":"2026-10-31T08:05:58Z","speaker_name":"Andre M. 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Uh, and the vegetation part, that's part of this, too, right? How long to get the vegetation out? You make it look It's like, you know, you buy a hamburger at Burger King, it's $5. You go to Hotel duPont, it's $10.","topics_json":"[\"code_enforcement\"]","vector_id":"vec_seg_101610_85","created_at":"2026-10-31T08:05:59Z","speaker_name":"Campanelli"},{"id":"seg_101610_86","meeting_id":"101610","media_asset_id":"med_101610_4bb4eac7bcf5cd5f","agenda_item_id":null,"speaker_id":"spk_101610_property_owner","speaker_confidence":0.9,"start_sec":1463.9,"end_sec":1464.6,"text":"Sure.","topics_json":"[]","vector_id":"vec_seg_101610_86","created_at":"2026-10-31T08:05:59Z","speaker_name":null},{"id":"seg_101610_87","meeting_id":"101610","media_asset_id":"med_101610_4bb4eac7bcf5cd5f","agenda_item_id":null,"speaker_id":"spk_101610_campanelli","speaker_confidence":0.9,"start_sec":1464.62,"end_sec":1469.19,"text":"It's all in presentation. So, how long to get the vegetation out of there?","topics_json":"[\"code_enforcement\"]","vector_id":"vec_seg_101610_87","created_at":"2026-10-31T08:05:59Z","speaker_name":"Campanelli"},{"id":"seg_101610_88","meeting_id":"101610","media_asset_id":"med_101610_4bb4eac7bcf5cd5f","agenda_item_id":null,"speaker_id":"spk_101610_property_owner","speaker_confidence":0.9,"start_sec":1471.77,"end_sec":1478.25,"text":"I could have it get it killed down with the uh with the Roundup.","topics_json":"[\"code_enforcement\"]","vector_id":"vec_seg_101610_88","created_at":"2026-10-31T08:05:59Z","speaker_name":null},{"id":"seg_101610_89","meeting_id":"101610","media_asset_id":"med_101610_4bb4eac7bcf5cd5f","agenda_item_id":null,"speaker_id":"spk_101610_campanelli","speaker_confidence":0.9,"start_sec":1478.38,"end_sec":1480.79,"text":"Once you get it killed down, then you have all the dead stuff, so.","topics_json":"[\"code_enforcement\"]","vector_id":"vec_seg_101610_89","created_at":"2026-10-31T08:05:59Z","speaker_name":"Campanelli"},{"id":"seg_101610_9","meeting_id":"101610","media_asset_id":"med_101610_4bb4eac7bcf5cd5f","agenda_item_id":null,"speaker_id":"spk_101610_chair","speaker_confidence":0.9,"start_sec":61.9,"end_sec":70.8,"text":"We need you, we need you. All right, so we just uh had a motion to adopt the agenda. It's been moved by Mr. Campana, we're just waiting for a second.","topics_json":"[]","vector_id":"vec_seg_101610_9","created_at":"2026-10-31T08:05:58Z","speaker_name":null},{"id":"seg_101610_90","meeting_id":"101610","media_asset_id":"med_101610_4bb4eac7bcf5cd5f","agenda_item_id":null,"speaker_id":"spk_101610_property_owner","speaker_confidence":0.9,"start_sec":1481.09,"end_sec":1485.53,"text":"Yeah, I could probably get that, by end of this autumn, I should have have it done.","topics_json":"[\"code_enforcement\"]","vector_id":"vec_seg_101610_90","created_at":"2026-10-31T08:05:59Z","speaker_name":null},{"id":"seg_101610_91","meeting_id":"101610","media_asset_id":"med_101610_4bb4eac7bcf5cd5f","agenda_item_id":null,"speaker_id":"spk_101610_campanelli","speaker_confidence":0.9,"start_sec":1486.66,"end_sec":1489.15,"text":"Okay. Recommendation, then?","topics_json":"[\"code_enforcement\"]","vector_id":"vec_seg_101610_91","created_at":"2026-10-31T08:05:59Z","speaker_name":"Campanelli"},{"id":"seg_101610_92","meeting_id":"101610","media_asset_id":"med_101610_4bb4eac7bcf5cd5f","agenda_item_id":null,"speaker_id":"spk_101610_eddie_kopp","speaker_confidence":0.95,"start_sec":1489.56,"end_sec":1521.62,"text":"So, if I may, I'd I'll make a recommendation on behalf of Code Enforcement that we, uh, stay enforcement for 90 days, um, to give him the opportunity to bring the property into compliance. Um, the reason we're here today is the age of the case. This case is over a year old and it's beyond, um, extension capabilities from from my office. So, I think 90 days if if you're Do you feel like 90 days is a fair window to be able to","topics_json":"[\"code_enforcement\"]","vector_id":"vec_seg_101610_92","created_at":"2026-10-31T08:05:59Z","speaker_name":"Eddie Kopp"},{"id":"seg_101610_93","meeting_id":"101610","media_asset_id":"med_101610_4bb4eac7bcf5cd5f","agenda_item_id":null,"speaker_id":"spk_101610_property_owner","speaker_confidence":0.9,"start_sec":1521.86,"end_sec":1524.55,"text":"Fair window at least to show some improvement.","topics_json":"[\"code_enforcement\"]","vector_id":"vec_seg_101610_93","created_at":"2026-10-31T08:05:59Z","speaker_name":null},{"id":"seg_101610_94","meeting_id":"101610","media_asset_id":"med_101610_4bb4eac7bcf5cd5f","agenda_item_id":null,"speaker_id":"spk_101610_eddie_kopp","speaker_confidence":0.95,"start_sec":1524.96,"end_sec":1538.63,"text":"So, at at this point, we're really looking for compliance with the violations, because they they are over a year. So, we would need compliance, um, with the violations.","topics_json":"[\"code_enforcement\"]","vector_id":"vec_seg_101610_94","created_at":"2026-10-31T08:05:59Z","speaker_name":"Eddie Kopp"},{"id":"seg_101610_95","meeting_id":"101610","media_asset_id":"med_101610_4bb4eac7bcf5cd5f","agenda_item_id":null,"speaker_id":"spk_101610_property_owner","speaker_confidence":0.9,"start_sec":1538.85,"end_sec":1540.27,"text":"In totality?","topics_json":"[\"code_enforcement\"]","vector_id":"vec_seg_101610_95","created_at":"2026-10-31T08:05:59Z","speaker_name":null},{"id":"seg_101610_96","meeting_id":"101610","media_asset_id":"med_101610_4bb4eac7bcf5cd5f","agenda_item_id":null,"speaker_id":"spk_101610_campanelli","speaker_confidence":0.9,"start_sec":1540.57,"end_sec":1541.07,"text":"Yeah.","topics_json":"[]","vector_id":"vec_seg_101610_96","created_at":"2026-10-31T08:05:59Z","speaker_name":"Campanelli"},{"id":"seg_101610_97","meeting_id":"101610","media_asset_id":"med_101610_4bb4eac7bcf5cd5f","agenda_item_id":null,"speaker_id":"spk_101610_eddie_kopp","speaker_confidence":0.95,"start_sec":1541.12,"end_sec":1541.62,"text":"Yes.","topics_json":"[]","vector_id":"vec_seg_101610_97","created_at":"2026-10-31T08:05:59Z","speaker_name":"Eddie Kopp"},{"id":"seg_101610_98","meeting_id":"101610","media_asset_id":"med_101610_4bb4eac7bcf5cd5f","agenda_item_id":null,"speaker_id":"spk_101610_property_owner","speaker_confidence":0.9,"start_sec":1542.3,"end_sec":1544.43,"text":"Okay. Then, it is what it is.","topics_json":"[]","vector_id":"vec_seg_101610_98","created_at":"2026-10-31T08:05:59Z","speaker_name":null},{"id":"seg_101610_99","meeting_id":"101610","media_asset_id":"med_101610_4bb4eac7bcf5cd5f","agenda_item_id":null,"speaker_id":"spk_101610_campanelli","speaker_confidence":0.9,"start_sec":1544.89,"end_sec":1546.78,"text":"Now, can you do it in 90 days?","topics_json":"[\"code_enforcement\"]","vector_id":"vec_seg_101610_99","created_at":"2026-10-31T08:05:59Z","speaker_name":"Campanelli"},{"id":"seg_101612_1","meeting_id":"101612","media_asset_id":"med_101612_222f4db39d42ac83","agenda_item_id":null,"speaker_id":"off_david_l_anderson","speaker_confidence":0.95,"start_sec":0,"end_sec":21.41,"text":"Good evening. Welcome to the Dover City Council Committee of the Whole. At this time, we call the meeting to order. I will now call the order the City Council Committee of the Whole meeting of Tuesday, September 26th, 2023. I would like to remind the public that the public comments are welcome on any item and will be permitted at the appropriate time. You have before you this evening's agenda, and I will entertain a motion for its adoption.","topics_json":"[]","vector_id":"vec_seg_101612_1","created_at":"2026-10-31T08:06:36Z","speaker_name":"David L. Anderson"},{"id":"seg_101612_10","meeting_id":"101612","media_asset_id":"med_101612_222f4db39d42ac83","agenda_item_id":null,"speaker_id":"spk_101612_bobby_wilson","speaker_confidence":0.95,"start_sec":326.76,"end_sec":498.45,"text":"With that being said, then after the soft skills, we'll go into the hard skills. We have two locations that we're doing the hard skills. On South Little Creek Road is where the garage, we're training auto mechanics, we're training construction from that facility. We're partnering up with the Bricklayers Union. They're going to be part of the training process as well, and then we also plan to partner with the Local 199. It's a union outfit out of Newark, Delaware. With those two units coming down to partner with us, and there's no other location in Kent County that's doing outside training but Polytech in this area. I was working with Reverend Keeling, Central Baptist Church, in the workforce development. That's how I got involved in this in Wilmington. Wilmington, as you know, have more resources across the bridge in New Castle County. And I found out the reason why, because of innovations. There's a lot of innovation minds across the bridge that don't that's not scared to take a risk. And we have to take risks. And I had took the risk by bringing the program to fruition with my own capital, with an office downtown that's $2,000 a month, and a garage that's $2,500 a month, paying this out of my pocket to train folks in this community. Because, as Mr. Neil said, I love my community. I've been in business in this community since 1985 with Freshman Barbershop, and trained many barbers in this community. So, I have been involved in workforce development for some time now.","topics_json":"[\"business\"]","vector_id":"vec_seg_101612_10","created_at":"2026-10-31T08:06:36Z","speaker_name":"Bobby Wilson"},{"id":"seg_101612_100","meeting_id":"101612","media_asset_id":"med_101612_222f4db39d42ac83","agenda_item_id":null,"speaker_id":"off_andre_m_boggerty","speaker_confidence":0.95,"start_sec":2895.29,"end_sec":2899.28,"text":"I I Okay, I'll I'll yield and we'll make that decision later. Thank you for the clarity.","topics_json":"[]","vector_id":"vec_seg_101612_100","created_at":"2026-10-31T08:06:36Z","speaker_name":"Andre M. Boggerty"},{"id":"seg_101612_101","meeting_id":"101612","media_asset_id":"med_101612_222f4db39d42ac83","agenda_item_id":null,"speaker_id":"off_david_l_anderson","speaker_confidence":0.95,"start_sec":2900.07,"end_sec":2902.47,"text":"Thank you. Um Dr. Sudler.","topics_json":"[]","vector_id":"vec_seg_101612_101","created_at":"2026-10-31T08:06:36Z","speaker_name":"David L. Anderson"},{"id":"seg_101612_102","meeting_id":"101612","media_asset_id":"med_101612_222f4db39d42ac83","agenda_item_id":null,"speaker_id":"off_roy_sudler_jr","speaker_confidence":0.95,"start_sec":2903.26,"end_sec":2904.86,"text":"I would yield the remainder of my time to Councilwoman Arndt.","topics_json":"[]","vector_id":"vec_seg_101612_102","created_at":"2026-10-31T08:06:36Z","speaker_name":"Roy Sudler, Jr."},{"id":"seg_101612_103","meeting_id":"101612","media_asset_id":"med_101612_222f4db39d42ac83","agenda_item_id":null,"speaker_id":"off_tricia_k_arndt","speaker_confidence":0.95,"start_sec":2905.66,"end_sec":2908.05,"text":"I was just I don't have a comment.","topics_json":"[]","vector_id":"vec_seg_101612_103","created_at":"2026-10-31T08:06:36Z","speaker_name":"Tricia K. Arndt"},{"id":"seg_101612_104","meeting_id":"101612","media_asset_id":"med_101612_222f4db39d42ac83","agenda_item_id":null,"speaker_id":"off_david_l_anderson","speaker_confidence":0.95,"start_sec":2908.85,"end_sec":2912.04,"text":"I I didn't see her hand go up. Okay. We'll go to uh Councilman","topics_json":"[]","vector_id":"vec_seg_101612_104","created_at":"2026-10-31T08:06:36Z","speaker_name":"David L. Anderson"},{"id":"seg_101612_105","meeting_id":"101612","media_asset_id":"med_101612_222f4db39d42ac83","agenda_item_id":null,"speaker_id":"off_roy_sudler_jr","speaker_confidence":0.95,"start_sec":2912.83,"end_sec":2916.82,"text":"Then I'll yield to Councilman uh Lewis because he is online and like you said it's uh a period of time.","topics_json":"[]","vector_id":"vec_seg_101612_105","created_at":"2026-10-31T08:06:36Z","speaker_name":"Roy Sudler, Jr."},{"id":"seg_101612_106","meeting_id":"101612","media_asset_id":"med_101612_222f4db39d42ac83","agenda_item_id":null,"speaker_id":"off_brian_e_lewis","speaker_confidence":0.95,"start_sec":2916.82,"end_sec":2935.96,"text":"I've been raising my hand for the last 20 minutes. Um I don't know if Mr. Wilson was aware of that um, but um most of the money right now is allocated for the Garrison Oak entry project. And, as Ms. Duca had indicated, um the grant programs closed by motion back in June and voted by council in July. So,","topics_json":"[\"budget\"]","vector_id":"vec_seg_101612_106","created_at":"2026-10-31T08:06:36Z","speaker_name":"Brian E. Lewis"},{"id":"seg_101612_107","meeting_id":"101612","media_asset_id":"med_101612_222f4db39d42ac83","agenda_item_id":null,"speaker_id":"off_brian_e_lewis","speaker_confidence":0.95,"start_sec":2938.36,"end_sec":2947.93,"text":"I think that we would um have to have a budget amended. This This isn't something that can be done overnight, and I'll defer to uh our finance director, Ms. Courtney, uh to elaborate. Ms. Courtney?","topics_json":"[\"budget\"]","vector_id":"vec_seg_101612_107","created_at":"2026-10-31T08:06:37Z","speaker_name":"Brian E. Lewis"},{"id":"seg_101612_108","meeting_id":"101612","media_asset_id":"med_101612_222f4db39d42ac83","agenda_item_id":null,"speaker_id":"off_david_l_anderson","speaker_confidence":0.95,"start_sec":2954.31,"end_sec":2957.5,"text":"Uh you please. Mrs. Courtney, you're recognized.","topics_json":"[]","vector_id":"vec_seg_101612_108","created_at":"2026-10-31T08:06:37Z","speaker_name":"David L. Anderson"},{"id":"seg_101612_109","meeting_id":"101612","media_asset_id":"med_101612_222f4db39d42ac83","agenda_item_id":null,"speaker_id":"spk_101612_courtney","speaker_confidence":0.95,"start_sec":2958.3,"end_sec":2971.06,"text":"Hi, forgive me. Um, I'm not going to walk down. Have a little trouble walking. Uh, but uh, I would concur with Councilman Lewis. We would require a budget amendment and the application process would need to be reopened. I'd like to note that","topics_json":"[\"budget\"]","vector_id":"vec_seg_101612_109","created_at":"2026-10-31T08:06:37Z","speaker_name":"Courtney"},{"id":"seg_101612_11","meeting_id":"101612","media_asset_id":"med_101612_222f4db39d42ac83","agenda_item_id":null,"speaker_id":"spk_101612_bobby_wilson","speaker_confidence":0.95,"start_sec":498.45,"end_sec":635.88,"text":"And by going to Wilmington and working with Central Baptist Church and learning the ins and out of the workforce development, dealing with DHSS, and as you know, with the workforce, return to workforce and the SNAP program, there has to be training with individuals to stay on SNAP, if not they'll lose it. And we have no training in Dover besides Polytech. We have individuals that have been traveling from Kent and Sussex County to get to a program in Wilmington, taking two and three buses. And then in return, the people in New Castle, we've been bussing them down to Milford to build the new hospital. So, we bypassing Dover individuals to go down to Milford to work, and they taking the money back to Wilmington. I said something has to be done. We have to create something in Dover. So, therefore, that is how Booted & Suited came to fruition. So, moving forward, um, we need funding. I can't do this on my own. We need funding. If not, it's going to end. So, what happened in the meantime, I decided to move forward with one of the programs that we proposed to you last time, and that program was the farmers market. We orchestrated the farmers market out of our own pockets. Everyone that's involved with the farmers market, will you please stand? Everyone involved with the farmers market on on the Saturday's farmers market. Where's Dawn? These are the volunteers, and they've been volunteering for eight weeks for this farmers market, and it has been successful. Thank everyone for coming out. We want to continue moving the farmers market forward, have a bigger and better farmers market next year.","topics_json":"[\"budget\",\"business\"]","vector_id":"vec_seg_101612_11","created_at":"2026-10-31T08:06:36Z","speaker_name":"Bobby Wilson"},{"id":"seg_101612_110","meeting_id":"101612","media_asset_id":"med_101612_222f4db39d42ac83","agenda_item_id":null,"speaker_id":"off_david_l_anderson","speaker_confidence":0.95,"start_sec":2961.49,"end_sec":2961.49,"text":"That's fine.","topics_json":"[]","vector_id":"vec_seg_101612_110","created_at":"2026-10-31T08:06:37Z","speaker_name":"David L. Anderson"},{"id":"seg_101612_111","meeting_id":"101612","media_asset_id":"med_101612_222f4db39d42ac83","agenda_item_id":null,"speaker_id":"off_david_l_anderson","speaker_confidence":0.95,"start_sec":2971.86,"end_sec":2975.05,"text":"Uh, I would note that it wouldn't have to be reopened because the the motion covered","topics_json":"[]","vector_id":"vec_seg_101612_111","created_at":"2026-10-31T08:06:37Z","speaker_name":"David L. Anderson"},{"id":"seg_101612_112","meeting_id":"101612","media_asset_id":"med_101612_222f4db39d42ac83","agenda_item_id":null,"speaker_id":"spk_101612_courtney","speaker_confidence":0.95,"start_sec":2975.05,"end_sec":2989.4,"text":"The uh, June 22nd at the Council Committee of the Whole, there was a vote to end the application process. It was approved on July 13th. The date of the application for this particular application is July 15th. Okay? Thank you.","topics_json":"[]","vector_id":"vec_seg_101612_112","created_at":"2026-10-31T08:06:37Z","speaker_name":"Courtney"},{"id":"seg_101612_113","meeting_id":"101612","media_asset_id":"med_101612_222f4db39d42ac83","agenda_item_id":null,"speaker_id":"off_david_l_anderson","speaker_confidence":0.95,"start_sec":2989.4,"end_sec":2989.4,"text":"Okay.","topics_json":"[]","vector_id":"vec_seg_101612_113","created_at":"2026-10-31T08:06:37Z","speaker_name":"David L. Anderson"},{"id":"seg_101612_114","meeting_id":"101612","media_asset_id":"med_101612_222f4db39d42ac83","agenda_item_id":null,"speaker_id":"off_david_l_anderson","speaker_confidence":0.95,"start_sec":2991.8,"end_sec":2991.8,"text":"Thank you.","topics_json":"[]","vector_id":"vec_seg_101612_114","created_at":"2026-10-31T08:06:37Z","speaker_name":"David L. Anderson"},{"id":"seg_101612_115","meeting_id":"101612","media_asset_id":"med_101612_222f4db39d42ac83","agenda_item_id":null,"speaker_id":"off_brian_e_lewis","speaker_confidence":0.95,"start_sec":2992.59,"end_sec":2993.39,"text":"Thank you, Courtney.","topics_json":"[]","vector_id":"vec_seg_101612_115","created_at":"2026-10-31T08:06:37Z","speaker_name":"Brian E. Lewis"},{"id":"seg_101612_116","meeting_id":"101612","media_asset_id":"med_101612_222f4db39d42ac83","agenda_item_id":null,"speaker_id":"off_david_l_anderson","speaker_confidence":0.95,"start_sec":2994.99,"end_sec":2998.97,"text":"So yes. Now we will at this time Dr. Sudler.","topics_json":"[]","vector_id":"vec_seg_101612_116","created_at":"2026-10-31T08:06:37Z","speaker_name":"David L. Anderson"},{"id":"seg_101612_117","meeting_id":"101612","media_asset_id":"med_101612_222f4db39d42ac83","agenda_item_id":null,"speaker_id":"off_roy_sudler_jr","speaker_confidence":0.95,"start_sec":3002.17,"end_sec":3047.63,"text":"Thank you for recognizing me. Um, quite often in council, when we're at some kind of deliberation of this magnitude, where there's somewhat a consensus that we want to move a project along, uh, but there are some minor adjustments that need to be made in order to approve it, um, I think sometimes we like to approve it pending on if there's money available, so that it will expedite the initiative. And if the money is there, then it's already approved. If it's not, then it's not. But then you won't have to come back if the money is there for the fourth or fifth time. Um, and we could just move it along. And now, I'm going to lean on your infamous wisdom with parliamentary procedures and the process, uh, Council, Acting Council President Anderson, because I have to admit, you have a lot of insight when it comes, uh, to that domain. So, in your knowledge,","topics_json":"[\"budget\"]","vector_id":"vec_seg_101612_117","created_at":"2026-10-31T08:06:37Z","speaker_name":"Roy Sudler, Jr."},{"id":"seg_101612_118","meeting_id":"101612","media_asset_id":"med_101612_222f4db39d42ac83","agenda_item_id":null,"speaker_id":"off_roy_sudler_jr","speaker_confidence":0.95,"start_sec":3053.21,"end_sec":3064.38,"text":"is there any way that if we wanted to do something of that magnitude, that that would be permissible um as of today? Can Could Would you elaborate on that? I'm leaning on your your wisdom. And you do have some wisdom. Well, I admit it.","topics_json":"[]","vector_id":"vec_seg_101612_118","created_at":"2026-10-31T08:06:37Z","speaker_name":"Roy Sudler, Jr."},{"id":"seg_101612_119","meeting_id":"101612","media_asset_id":"med_101612_222f4db39d42ac83","agenda_item_id":null,"speaker_id":"off_david_l_anderson","speaker_confidence":0.95,"start_sec":3065.97,"end_sec":3103.46,"text":"Well, thank you, sir. The um what I would think would be that we would refer this to staff for consideration in the budget amendment, which uh which we plan to bring forward in in the next month. Um that that would be the motion that I would particularly make. Um but it's not I'm not saying that's the only path forward, but it was since you asked, that's the motion I would make.","topics_json":"[\"budget\"]","vector_id":"vec_seg_101612_119","created_at":"2026-10-31T08:06:37Z","speaker_name":"David L. Anderson"},{"id":"seg_101612_12","meeting_id":"101612","media_asset_id":"med_101612_222f4db39d42ac83","agenda_item_id":null,"speaker_id":"spk_101612_bobby_wilson","speaker_confidence":0.95,"start_sec":635.88,"end_sec":812.61,"text":"So, the farmers market came about on The Green because the we did a survey and the people said they would not participate in a farmers market if it was on Loockerman Street, because of the crime. They fear for their safety. That's why we calling it a greener, safer Dover, cleaner, greener, safer Dover, to correct all this. So, moving forward, what we creating here in Dover with this grant is a will be a program where it'd be 8 hours a day downtown cleanup. Have anyone been to Wilmington and and witnessed an organization called Downtown Visions? Downtown Visions, they're responsible for the cleanup of Downtown Wilmington. I have on the line, Mike Maggitti, he is the CEO for Downtown Visions. They are one of my mentor they're my mentor organization for this. When I was in Wilmington, we supplied some of the employees from the program to Visions for employment. It's a I think they run two shifts in Wilmington. We will be running one shift in Dover, one 8-hour shift, 5 to 6 days a week, and possibly moving into an evening shift once it continue to grow. But the point of the matter is we will be available to clean up. I have some slides in reference to all the activity that I have been filming downtown with the panhandling, the sleeping in the doorways. All these type of things have been going on downtown that that average person that is not embedded downtown on a consistent basis would not see unless they, you know, really really engaged in downtown to see how how bad it is. I mean it's truly bad. So, our thing is is that if we can clean up downtown, it would make a difference in the coming of our new construction. We have to put a foot forward where our clean up crews would be able to engage in with these individuals, walk individuals to the cars, clean up the feces that's in these pockets of doorways, because it's a health hazard downtown Dover as I speak.","topics_json":"[\"public_safety\",\"business\"]","vector_id":"vec_seg_101612_12","created_at":"2026-10-31T08:06:36Z","speaker_name":"Bobby Wilson"},{"id":"seg_101612_120","meeting_id":"101612","media_asset_id":"med_101612_222f4db39d42ac83","agenda_item_id":null,"speaker_id":"off_roy_sudler_jr","speaker_confidence":0.95,"start_sec":3104.26,"end_sec":3111.44,"text":"And so, in layman's terms, can you explain that uh to some individuals that may not What? know or hear, uh, you know? Can you explain that What? What will we do if we did do that?","topics_json":"[]","vector_id":"vec_seg_101612_120","created_at":"2026-10-31T08:06:37Z","speaker_name":"Roy Sudler, Jr."},{"id":"seg_101612_121","meeting_id":"101612","media_asset_id":"med_101612_222f4db39d42ac83","agenda_item_id":null,"speaker_id":"off_david_l_anderson","speaker_confidence":0.95,"start_sec":3113.03,"end_sec":3172.85,"text":"Well, like uh Councilman Lewis said, um the money in the Economic Development Fund, uh a lot of it was um utilized for the uh construction at Garrison, or at least set aside for that. Um not necessarily used for that. It was set aside for that, because we did not know if we were able going to be able to get a grant that was applied for by Mr. Lyon to uh pay for that project. That project That grant was approved, and that means that we will have have a budget amendment to to basically allocate the grant money for that project, instead of the economic development money for the project. Therefore, the money, uh at least part of that money, will come back to the Economic Development Fund. All that needs to be handled in a budget amendment. We were uh looking at when to do that, and the and this through some other projects, uh we decided, through consultation with the city manager, to that that would be brought forward in in October.","topics_json":"[\"budget\"]","vector_id":"vec_seg_101612_121","created_at":"2026-10-31T08:06:37Z","speaker_name":"David L. Anderson"},{"id":"seg_101612_122","meeting_id":"101612","media_asset_id":"med_101612_222f4db39d42ac83","agenda_item_id":null,"speaker_id":"off_roy_sudler_jr","speaker_confidence":0.95,"start_sec":3175.24,"end_sec":3192.79,"text":"Okay. So it sounds like this could be potentially approved then, in October, and October's just right around the corner. I I would be amenable, uh as one of the representatives of the 4th district in which the services are going to be rendered in this area, to wait until October, which is right around the corner. Um, thank you for your thank you for your feedback. I appreciate it, and I now yield.","topics_json":"[\"budget\"]","vector_id":"vec_seg_101612_122","created_at":"2026-10-31T08:06:37Z","speaker_name":"Roy Sudler, Jr."},{"id":"seg_101612_123","meeting_id":"101612","media_asset_id":"med_101612_222f4db39d42ac83","agenda_item_id":null,"speaker_id":"off_roy_sudler_jr","speaker_confidence":0.95,"start_sec":3193.59,"end_sec":3193.59,"text":"Thank you.","topics_json":"[]","vector_id":"vec_seg_101612_123","created_at":"2026-10-31T08:06:37Z","speaker_name":"Roy Sudler, Jr."},{"id":"seg_101612_124","meeting_id":"101612","media_asset_id":"med_101612_222f4db39d42ac83","agenda_item_id":null,"speaker_id":"off_david_l_anderson","speaker_confidence":0.95,"start_sec":3194.39,"end_sec":3196.78,"text":"We could refer to staff to straighten it in that.","topics_json":"[]","vector_id":"vec_seg_101612_124","created_at":"2026-10-31T08:06:37Z","speaker_name":"David L. Anderson"},{"id":"seg_101612_125","meeting_id":"101612","media_asset_id":"med_101612_222f4db39d42ac83","agenda_item_id":null,"speaker_id":"off_roy_sudler_jr","speaker_confidence":0.95,"start_sec":3198.37,"end_sec":3205.55,"text":"And and if you help me out with a motion to that point, um, after or maybe after additional discussions, but I think, you know, we can do the motion, I'll definitely second it.","topics_json":"[]","vector_id":"vec_seg_101612_125","created_at":"2026-10-31T08:06:37Z","speaker_name":"Roy Sudler, Jr."},{"id":"seg_101612_126","meeting_id":"101612","media_asset_id":"med_101612_222f4db39d42ac83","agenda_item_id":null,"speaker_id":"off_david_l_anderson","speaker_confidence":0.95,"start_sec":3207.15,"end_sec":3211.93,"text":"Sounds reasonable. Um or maybe uh, and I'm going to go to Mrs. Arndt, and then our mayor.","topics_json":"[]","vector_id":"vec_seg_101612_126","created_at":"2026-10-31T08:06:37Z","speaker_name":"David L. Anderson"},{"id":"seg_101612_127","meeting_id":"101612","media_asset_id":"med_101612_222f4db39d42ac83","agenda_item_id":null,"speaker_id":"off_tricia_k_arndt","speaker_confidence":0.95,"start_sec":3213.53,"end_sec":3229.48,"text":"Thank you. Just just to clarify the application that we're talking about, it is in its entirety within this packet? Are Is there any additional information that has not been shared in this packet?","topics_json":"[]","vector_id":"vec_seg_101612_127","created_at":"2026-10-31T08:06:37Z","speaker_name":"Tricia K. Arndt"},{"id":"seg_101612_128","meeting_id":"101612","media_asset_id":"med_101612_222f4db39d42ac83","agenda_item_id":null,"speaker_id":"off_david_l_anderson","speaker_confidence":0.95,"start_sec":3231.87,"end_sec":3232.67,"text":"It It's there?","topics_json":"[]","vector_id":"vec_seg_101612_128","created_at":"2026-10-31T08:06:37Z","speaker_name":"David L. Anderson"},{"id":"seg_101612_129","meeting_id":"101612","media_asset_id":"med_101612_222f4db39d42ac83","agenda_item_id":null,"speaker_id":"spk_101612_unknown_speaker","speaker_confidence":0.5,"start_sec":3232.67,"end_sec":3232.67,"text":"It's there.","topics_json":"[]","vector_id":"vec_seg_101612_129","created_at":"2026-10-31T08:06:37Z","speaker_name":null},{"id":"seg_101612_13","meeting_id":"101612","media_asset_id":"med_101612_222f4db39d42ac83","agenda_item_id":null,"speaker_id":"spk_101612_bobby_wilson","speaker_confidence":0.95,"start_sec":812.61,"end_sec":937.76,"text":"The individuals that would be working downtown, they will be wearing uniforms. You'll be able to identify them. And then we would have a phone number where you would call if your family member or yourself need to be escorted to and from wherever you want to shop, if you feel unsafe. We would not be police officers, we would not get in the way of police officers. But we will be boots on the ground to have communication with the police officers. And I think for safety reasons, with what we have now with the police officers going all different directions, to have a group in town that's not only cleaning downtown, but also concerned about the safety of the individuals to communicate with the necessary office that needs to come out and help the situation. So, with that being said, we're asking for these funds. We have community service individuals coming from parole and probation that's going to be working in the clean up. We have certified auto mechanics that's teaching the courses. We have union retired carpenters, electricians that's going to be teaching the subject as well. And we have a partner, we have a partner called Tech Force. Tech Force, an organization from Wilmington that we're partnering with, that very successful. And on top of that, we have our own grant writers, because we want this to be sustainable. We want to be able to write our own grants to keep the ball moving, because I don't want this to be a one, and that's it, with these funds. We have interested people that are interested in supporting with donations. We have a account that's set up called Beautifying of Dover. And we partnered with a accounting firm called Mitten Accounting firm in Dover, very reputable accounting firm in Dover, Mitten & Mitten. They will be oversight for the account for these funds. That law firm will communicate with the city of Dover, Human Relations, Financial Department, whoever you would have us to communicate with to keep track and keep on board with those funds. So, with that being said, you know, we're asking for these funds in order to make Dover a greener, safer, cleaner city. And, I have experience. You know, I let my work speak for itself. We've been downtown power washing on our own, being funded by a few individual citizens that does not want to be named, power washing downtown Dover and sweeping downtown Dover, and trying to do what we can on the limited amount of funds that we presently have. So, we would appreciate it if you will provide these funds for us, and we will definitely definitely do our job. Thank you.","topics_json":"[\"budget\",\"public_safety\",\"business\"]","vector_id":"vec_seg_101612_13","created_at":"2026-10-31T08:06:36Z","speaker_name":"Bobby Wilson"},{"id":"seg_101612_130","meeting_id":"101612","media_asset_id":"med_101612_222f4db39d42ac83","agenda_item_id":null,"speaker_id":"off_tricia_k_arndt","speaker_confidence":0.95,"start_sec":3234.27,"end_sec":3236.66,"text":"The information in the packet is That's your application.","topics_json":"[]","vector_id":"vec_seg_101612_130","created_at":"2026-10-31T08:06:37Z","speaker_name":"Tricia K. Arndt"},{"id":"seg_101612_131","meeting_id":"101612","media_asset_id":"med_101612_222f4db39d42ac83","agenda_item_id":null,"speaker_id":"spk_101612_unknown_speaker","speaker_confidence":0.5,"start_sec":3236.66,"end_sec":3236.66,"text":"Yes, it is, ma'am.","topics_json":"[]","vector_id":"vec_seg_101612_131","created_at":"2026-10-31T08:06:37Z","speaker_name":null},{"id":"seg_101612_132","meeting_id":"101612","media_asset_id":"med_101612_222f4db39d42ac83","agenda_item_id":null,"speaker_id":"off_tricia_k_arndt","speaker_confidence":0.95,"start_sec":3237.46,"end_sec":3265.37,"text":"Okay. I would say that it is not complete. And it It does not meet the requirements. We spent a lot of time putting in the effort of outlining each specific thing that would be required for an application. Proof of operation for 2 years or more, location map and street address, zoning confirmation, letters of support, um, progress reports. So there's If you If you read through what's required, and I encourage you to do that, fill out all the 500-word description, just fill out the application. And then the staff reviews the information, and verifies that information, and provides a report back to council. That's what I'm looking for, and beyond that I'm not willing to support. I yield.","topics_json":"[\"zoning\"]","vector_id":"vec_seg_101612_132","created_at":"2026-10-31T08:06:37Z","speaker_name":"Tricia K. Arndt"},{"id":"seg_101612_133","meeting_id":"101612","media_asset_id":"med_101612_222f4db39d42ac83","agenda_item_id":null,"speaker_id":"off_david_l_anderson","speaker_confidence":0.95,"start_sec":3266.17,"end_sec":3270.16,"text":"Thank you. Thank you very much. Um, uh, Mr. Mayor?","topics_json":"[]","vector_id":"vec_seg_101612_133","created_at":"2026-10-31T08:06:37Z","speaker_name":"David L. Anderson"},{"id":"seg_101612_134","meeting_id":"101612","media_asset_id":"med_101612_222f4db39d42ac83","agenda_item_id":null,"speaker_id":"off_robin_r_christiansen","speaker_confidence":0.95,"start_sec":3271.75,"end_sec":3276.54,"text":"Thank you, Mr. President. I will defer I'll yield to Councilman Boggerty as long as he gives me the microphone back.","topics_json":"[]","vector_id":"vec_seg_101612_134","created_at":"2026-10-31T08:06:37Z","speaker_name":"Robin R. Christiansen"},{"id":"seg_101612_135","meeting_id":"101612","media_asset_id":"med_101612_222f4db39d42ac83","agenda_item_id":null,"speaker_id":"off_andre_m_boggerty","speaker_confidence":0.95,"start_sec":3277.34,"end_sec":3279.73,"text":"I'll always give you the microphone back, your Honor. Your Honor.","topics_json":"[]","vector_id":"vec_seg_101612_135","created_at":"2026-10-31T08:06:37Z","speaker_name":"Andre M. Boggerty"},{"id":"seg_101612_136","meeting_id":"101612","media_asset_id":"med_101612_222f4db39d42ac83","agenda_item_id":null,"speaker_id":"off_david_l_anderson","speaker_confidence":0.95,"start_sec":3280.53,"end_sec":3282.12,"text":"Councilman Boggerty, you're recognized.","topics_json":"[]","vector_id":"vec_seg_101612_136","created_at":"2026-10-31T08:06:37Z","speaker_name":"David L. Anderson"},{"id":"seg_101612_137","meeting_id":"101612","media_asset_id":"med_101612_222f4db39d42ac83","agenda_item_id":null,"speaker_id":"off_andre_m_boggerty","speaker_confidence":0.95,"start_sec":3282.12,"end_sec":3349.92,"text":"I appreciate you. In the meantime, just in the meantime, while you're waiting, could would it would it would it be wise to also submit your application to the CDBG? In the meantime. So So that way, you have more than one bite at the apple. I was I was trying to get that. So in the meantime, while you're doing that, do both. Hypothetically speaking, just in case there's funding in the CDBG. I yield. I'm not I I'm just offering advice. I'm not telling you what to do. Okay? I advised that. I yield. Okay.","topics_json":"[\"budget\"]","vector_id":"vec_seg_101612_137","created_at":"2026-10-31T08:06:37Z","speaker_name":"Andre M. Boggerty"},{"id":"seg_101612_138","meeting_id":"101612","media_asset_id":"med_101612_222f4db39d42ac83","agenda_item_id":null,"speaker_id":"spk_101612_unknown_speaker","speaker_confidence":0.5,"start_sec":3342.74,"end_sec":3342.74,"text":"Thank you.","topics_json":"[]","vector_id":"vec_seg_101612_138","created_at":"2026-10-31T08:06:37Z","speaker_name":null},{"id":"seg_101612_139","meeting_id":"101612","media_asset_id":"med_101612_222f4db39d42ac83","agenda_item_id":null,"speaker_id":"spk_101612_unknown_speaker","speaker_confidence":0.5,"start_sec":3345.93,"end_sec":3345.93,"text":"Thank you.","topics_json":"[]","vector_id":"vec_seg_101612_139","created_at":"2026-10-31T08:06:37Z","speaker_name":null},{"id":"seg_101612_14","meeting_id":"101612","media_asset_id":"med_101612_222f4db39d42ac83","agenda_item_id":null,"speaker_id":"off_david_l_anderson","speaker_confidence":0.95,"start_sec":937.76,"end_sec":938.37,"text":"Thank you very much. Mr. Mayor.","topics_json":"[]","vector_id":"vec_seg_101612_14","created_at":"2026-10-31T08:06:36Z","speaker_name":"David L. Anderson"},{"id":"seg_101612_140","meeting_id":"101612","media_asset_id":"med_101612_222f4db39d42ac83","agenda_item_id":null,"speaker_id":"off_david_l_anderson","speaker_confidence":0.95,"start_sec":3350.72,"end_sec":3352.31,"text":"Thank you. Mr. Mayor?","topics_json":"[]","vector_id":"vec_seg_101612_140","created_at":"2026-10-31T08:06:37Z","speaker_name":"David L. Anderson"},{"id":"seg_101612_141","meeting_id":"101612","media_asset_id":"med_101612_222f4db39d42ac83","agenda_item_id":null,"speaker_id":"off_robin_r_christiansen","speaker_confidence":0.95,"start_sec":3353.11,"end_sec":3439.25,"text":"Thank you, Mr. President. Uh Mr. Wilson, as you know, uh I think that you understand that council supports uh the program that you've brought forth. Uh much to sometimes my dismay, we have process that we have to go through. And I think it would be in the best interest of your program, and its continuation as part of the uh the city funding it, that we follow the process. Much as we probably I think a lot of folks in the room would like to write you a check now, but the process doesn't allow us to do so. But I think if you follow through on the request that Ms. Arndt had, we we determine a source of revenue that is available for us to give you those funds, and that a a an appropriate uh committee action form put together by our staff based on the information that you give us uh that we can move forward on this project. So, uh don't be discouraged uh because we haven't said no, but we can't say yes. I yield the floor.","topics_json":"[\"budget\"]","vector_id":"vec_seg_101612_141","created_at":"2026-10-31T08:06:37Z","speaker_name":"Robin R. Christiansen"},{"id":"seg_101612_142","meeting_id":"101612","media_asset_id":"med_101612_222f4db39d42ac83","agenda_item_id":null,"speaker_id":"spk_101612_unknown_speaker","speaker_confidence":0.5,"start_sec":3440.85,"end_sec":3440.85,"text":"Thank you.","topics_json":"[]","vector_id":"vec_seg_101612_142","created_at":"2026-10-31T08:06:37Z","speaker_name":null},{"id":"seg_101612_143","meeting_id":"101612","media_asset_id":"med_101612_222f4db39d42ac83","agenda_item_id":null,"speaker_id":"off_david_l_anderson","speaker_confidence":0.95,"start_sec":3441.64,"end_sec":3485.51,"text":"Thank you. Our our uh our process is sometimes annoying, but it's served us well. Um we and it served the organization well, because unlike other municipalities, unlike the state of Delaware and and other places, we have not had any scandals or anything of that nature because we handle it so well. And it's um and it But it is a um I'm going to get go to uh Councilman Lewis.","topics_json":"[]","vector_id":"vec_seg_101612_143","created_at":"2026-10-31T08:06:37Z","speaker_name":"David L. Anderson"},{"id":"seg_101612_144","meeting_id":"101612","media_asset_id":"med_101612_222f4db39d42ac83","agenda_item_id":null,"speaker_id":"off_brian_e_lewis","speaker_confidence":0.95,"start_sec":3488.7,"end_sec":3509.44,"text":"Now, I just like to uh state that I just went through various documents uh that I have before me, and uh Councilwoman Arndt is correct. The application has to meet the grant standards in the spirit of fairness. So, Mr. Wilson, I would go through the paperwork with a fine-tooth comb to make sure you have your Ts crossed and your Is dotted. And I'll leave it at that. Thank you.","topics_json":"[]","vector_id":"vec_seg_101612_144","created_at":"2026-10-31T08:06:37Z","speaker_name":"Brian E. Lewis"},{"id":"seg_101612_145","meeting_id":"101612","media_asset_id":"med_101612_222f4db39d42ac83","agenda_item_id":null,"speaker_id":"off_david_l_anderson","speaker_confidence":0.95,"start_sec":3511.03,"end_sec":3525.39,"text":"Thank you very much. And uh we have uh uh public comment? Let's uh to throw out Mr. Thank you. Uh Mr. Faust. And then we have online uh Ms. uh Shellfall.","topics_json":"[]","vector_id":"vec_seg_101612_145","created_at":"2026-10-31T08:06:37Z","speaker_name":"David L. Anderson"},{"id":"seg_101612_146","meeting_id":"101612","media_asset_id":"med_101612_222f4db39d42ac83","agenda_item_id":null,"speaker_id":"spk_101612_unknown_speaker","speaker_confidence":0.5,"start_sec":3526.99,"end_sec":3538.95,"text":"I think it's, you know, not against the uh proposal. However, quick question. What's the price tag on this? I mean, you gave a nice speech, but what's the price tag? Second of all, uh cleaning up the streets of Lockerman,","topics_json":"[\"budget\"]","vector_id":"vec_seg_101612_146","created_at":"2026-10-31T08:06:37Z","speaker_name":null},{"id":"seg_101612_147","meeting_id":"101612","media_asset_id":"med_101612_222f4db39d42ac83","agenda_item_id":null,"speaker_id":"spk_101612_public_commenter","speaker_confidence":0.85,"start_sec":3538.95,"end_sec":3552.08,"text":"Uh what does our city police do, clean the streets or the sidewalks? The sidewalks in normal development, we have to clean and make sure they're free of snow. Does that fall on the city to clean the street or the sidewalks downtown Dover, or does it go to uh to the uh vendors that own the uh are renting or own the property?","topics_json":"[\"public_safety\",\"budget\"]","vector_id":"vec_seg_101612_147","created_at":"2026-10-31T08:06:37Z","speaker_name":null},{"id":"seg_101612_148","meeting_id":"101612","media_asset_id":"med_101612_222f4db39d42ac83","agenda_item_id":null,"speaker_id":"spk_101612_public_commenter","speaker_confidence":0.85,"start_sec":3552.33,"end_sec":3560.9,"text":"Another thing is uh we were talking about a budget amendment. For the citizens who are on fixed income and most vulnerable, a budget amendment should not put any additional cost for fees onto the citizens of Dover.","topics_json":"[\"budget\",\"taxes\"]","vector_id":"vec_seg_101612_148","created_at":"2026-10-31T08:06:37Z","speaker_name":null},{"id":"seg_101612_149","meeting_id":"101612","media_asset_id":"med_101612_222f4db39d42ac83","agenda_item_id":null,"speaker_id":"spk_101612_public_commenter","speaker_confidence":0.85,"start_sec":3561.08,"end_sec":3570.27,"text":"And I said this before: The city is $7 million in the hole. We have our police officers are going to binding arbitration because you don't have the funds to give them the raise that they're looking for. So,","topics_json":"[\"budget\",\"public_safety\"]","vector_id":"vec_seg_101612_149","created_at":"2026-10-31T08:06:37Z","speaker_name":null},{"id":"seg_101612_15","meeting_id":"101612","media_asset_id":"med_101612_222f4db39d42ac83","agenda_item_id":null,"speaker_id":"off_robin_r_christiansen","speaker_confidence":0.95,"start_sec":938.37,"end_sec":939.77,"text":"Thank you, Mr. President. Mr. Wilson.","topics_json":"[]","vector_id":"vec_seg_101612_15","created_at":"2026-10-31T08:06:36Z","speaker_name":"Robin R. Christiansen"},{"id":"seg_101612_150","meeting_id":"101612","media_asset_id":"med_101612_222f4db39d42ac83","agenda_item_id":null,"speaker_id":"spk_101612_public_commenter","speaker_confidence":0.85,"start_sec":3570.51,"end_sec":3604.69,"text":"if you have surplus money, it's good to do things to support the community and stuff like that. But if you're hemorrhaging money, you know, unless we correct our issues, we may be $14 million by the time we come to uh the next budget. So we need to look cautiously.","topics_json":"[\"budget\"]","vector_id":"vec_seg_101612_150","created_at":"2026-10-31T08:06:37Z","speaker_name":null},{"id":"seg_101612_151","meeting_id":"101612","media_asset_id":"med_101612_222f4db39d42ac83","agenda_item_id":null,"speaker_id":"spk_101612_public_commenter","speaker_confidence":0.85,"start_sec":3605.11,"end_sec":3618.61,"text":"I'm not against you know helping people out and getting jobs and all that, but if the city doesn't have the funds, it should go to state or federal government or the county. I mean, we probably need equipment in our own city for trucks and our other department heads, so we got to evaluate everything. Thank you for your time.","topics_json":"[\"budget\"]","vector_id":"vec_seg_101612_151","created_at":"2026-10-31T08:06:37Z","speaker_name":null},{"id":"seg_101612_152","meeting_id":"101612","media_asset_id":"med_101612_222f4db39d42ac83","agenda_item_id":null,"speaker_id":"off_david_l_anderson","speaker_confidence":0.95,"start_sec":3619.1,"end_sec":3627.06,"text":"Thank you. And uh and Ms. uh Smack? She can if you can give her the microphone? Thank you.","topics_json":"[]","vector_id":"vec_seg_101612_152","created_at":"2026-10-31T08:06:37Z","speaker_name":"David L. Anderson"},{"id":"seg_101612_153","meeting_id":"101612","media_asset_id":"med_101612_222f4db39d42ac83","agenda_item_id":null,"speaker_id":"spk_101612_smack","speaker_confidence":0.9,"start_sec":3627.55,"end_sec":3661,"text":"I just have a question. Could you uh do a workshop so that people who are applying for these grants know how to properly um apply for them? Do a workshop for them so that they can know. Like they do in other cities.","topics_json":"[\"budget\"]","vector_id":"vec_seg_101612_153","created_at":"2026-10-31T08:06:37Z","speaker_name":"Smack"},{"id":"seg_101612_154","meeting_id":"101612","media_asset_id":"med_101612_222f4db39d42ac83","agenda_item_id":null,"speaker_id":"off_david_l_anderson","speaker_confidence":0.95,"start_sec":3661.3,"end_sec":3665.74,"text":"Thank you. And uh we can get to Ms. Paul?","topics_json":"[]","vector_id":"vec_seg_101612_154","created_at":"2026-10-31T08:06:37Z","speaker_name":"David L. Anderson"},{"id":"seg_101612_155","meeting_id":"101612","media_asset_id":"med_101612_222f4db39d42ac83","agenda_item_id":null,"speaker_id":"spk_101612_michelle_paul","speaker_confidence":0.95,"start_sec":3668.9,"end_sec":3687.93,"text":"Hi, good evening everyone, Michelle Paul, Dover, Delaware. Um, the program in itself um is a great program. I think um one of the things that my concern is is, A, we're already in a deficit; B, um City Manager Duca had basically stated, you know, during the budget process that there the funding there is no point or finding the money from anywhere.","topics_json":"[\"budget\"]","vector_id":"vec_seg_101612_155","created_at":"2026-10-31T08:06:37Z","speaker_name":"Michelle Paul"},{"id":"seg_101612_156","meeting_id":"101612","media_asset_id":"med_101612_222f4db39d42ac83","agenda_item_id":null,"speaker_id":"spk_101612_michelle_paul","speaker_confidence":0.95,"start_sec":3688.12,"end_sec":3724.72,"text":"With this city having the deficit that it has and the rates uh and user fees going up across the board, I don't think it's fair to constituents right now to pull that money if you could not use it to save them costs on an increase on rates. Uh furthermore with the process, I think um","topics_json":"[\"budget\",\"taxes\"]","vector_id":"vec_seg_101612_156","created_at":"2026-10-31T08:06:37Z","speaker_name":"Michelle Paul"},{"id":"seg_101612_157","meeting_id":"101612","media_asset_id":"med_101612_222f4db39d42ac83","agenda_item_id":null,"speaker_id":"spk_101612_michelle_paul","speaker_confidence":0.95,"start_sec":3726.37,"end_sec":3746.68,"text":"Ms. Maule has stated that, you know, that as far as the application process, when that application or when those funds open back up, will those applications be um able to be sought by all organizations, not just one individual organization, because there are many grassroots organizations that are out here that are actually working towards an initiative that the city actually has and for the issues that they're curing?","topics_json":"[\"budget\"]","vector_id":"vec_seg_101612_157","created_at":"2026-10-31T08:06:37Z","speaker_name":"Michelle Paul"},{"id":"seg_101612_158","meeting_id":"101612","media_asset_id":"med_101612_222f4db39d42ac83","agenda_item_id":null,"speaker_id":"spk_101612_michelle_paul","speaker_confidence":0.95,"start_sec":3746.86,"end_sec":3783.34,"text":"And then finally, you know, will this funding be um tracked for spending to make sure that the money is being spent and geared towards the initiative? Are we making sure that the initiative is uh 100% going the way that it's earmarked and the way that it was applied for? I think, and that's the main concern, to make sure that constituents and ratepayers are not going to absorb the cost of more","topics_json":"[\"budget\",\"taxes\"]","vector_id":"vec_seg_101612_158","created_at":"2026-10-31T08:06:37Z","speaker_name":"Michelle Paul"},{"id":"seg_101612_159","meeting_id":"101612","media_asset_id":"med_101612_222f4db39d42ac83","agenda_item_id":null,"speaker_id":"spk_101612_michelle_paul","speaker_confidence":0.95,"start_sec":3787.54,"end_sec":3806.51,"text":"um abused funding from organizations that are not doing things properly. So I think that's the main concern um, you know, with constituents at this time. But the the plan in itself is a great idea and, you know, hopefully, you know, the funding will become available in the near future. But hopefully that door be opened up to all organizations that again have um a stake and, you know, have the same goal.","topics_json":"[\"budget\"]","vector_id":"vec_seg_101612_159","created_at":"2026-10-31T08:06:37Z","speaker_name":"Michelle Paul"},{"id":"seg_101612_16","meeting_id":"101612","media_asset_id":"med_101612_222f4db39d42ac83","agenda_item_id":null,"speaker_id":"spk_101612_bobby_wilson","speaker_confidence":0.95,"start_sec":939.77,"end_sec":940.07,"text":"Yes, sir.","topics_json":"[]","vector_id":"vec_seg_101612_16","created_at":"2026-10-31T08:06:36Z","speaker_name":"Bobby Wilson"},{"id":"seg_101612_160","meeting_id":"101612","media_asset_id":"med_101612_222f4db39d42ac83","agenda_item_id":null,"speaker_id":"off_david_l_anderson","speaker_confidence":0.95,"start_sec":3807.24,"end_sec":3811.26,"text":"Thank you. Uh further public comments, Mr. Hall.","topics_json":"[]","vector_id":"vec_seg_101612_160","created_at":"2026-10-31T08:06:37Z","speaker_name":"David L. Anderson"},{"id":"seg_101612_161","meeting_id":"101612","media_asset_id":"med_101612_222f4db39d42ac83","agenda_item_id":null,"speaker_id":"spk_101612_doug_hall","speaker_confidence":0.95,"start_sec":3814.05,"end_sec":3849.14,"text":"Doug Hall, Dover, Delaware. Good evening council, good evening community. Um, I'm on board with Smack. You guys, we need that. There's got to be some kind of event to show people that how to write grants, because some people are unfamiliar with it. Um, and if you don't do that, you're just kicking the can down the road.","topics_json":"[\"budget\"]","vector_id":"vec_seg_101612_161","created_at":"2026-10-31T08:06:37Z","speaker_name":"Doug Hall"},{"id":"seg_101612_162","meeting_id":"101612","media_asset_id":"med_101612_222f4db39d42ac83","agenda_item_id":null,"speaker_id":"spk_101612_doug_hall","speaker_confidence":0.95,"start_sec":3849.45,"end_sec":3873.53,"text":"And let's be honest, the budget is in trouble because money is being spent. Why are we, why is the city spending money on the air stuff? What, for millionaires and billionaires to bring in dollar signs? Because that's where you're going. You guys know, there's a moratorium right now. But spend the money on the little businesses. The city sold their soul to corporate businesses. Tax breaks, permit breaks, we don't do that to the little guys. And the little guys are coming in, you guys are condemning their buildings. Properties are condemning their buildings because you got very overzealous inspectors. That's why we're in the deficit.","topics_json":"[\"budget\",\"business\",\"taxes\"]","vector_id":"vec_seg_101612_162","created_at":"2026-10-31T08:06:37Z","speaker_name":"Doug Hall"},{"id":"seg_101612_163","meeting_id":"101612","media_asset_id":"med_101612_222f4db39d42ac83","agenda_item_id":null,"speaker_id":"spk_101612_doug_hall","speaker_confidence":0.95,"start_sec":3873.71,"end_sec":3912.08,"text":"You got police officers writing tickets who do not show up to court, so guess what? The ticket gets tossed. There goes city money once again. I just saw Wawa, so was our police chief. A young man walked right out the front door. He asked me, \"You don't got to steal.\" You know what he said to me? \"I don't give a I don't care if he sees me.\" And I didn't even know who he was talking about until he walked past the police chief. I had it right on my phone. Your police chief is is in there ordering food while we're walk while he's walking out the door.","topics_json":"[\"public_safety\",\"budget\"]","vector_id":"vec_seg_101612_163","created_at":"2026-10-31T08:06:37Z","speaker_name":"Doug Hall"},{"id":"seg_101612_164","meeting_id":"101612","media_asset_id":"med_101612_222f4db39d42ac83","agenda_item_id":null,"speaker_id":"spk_101612_doug_hall","speaker_confidence":0.95,"start_sec":3912.87,"end_sec":3931.6,"text":"That's the problem with this city. Let's be real. So Mr. Anderson saying no scandal, I respect you because you do show up. No scandals? Let's not go there. Because there's a lot we hear. I know who shows up. Mr. Lewis, Mr. Sudler, you do show up to events. There's a lot of faces here I don't see. Let's be honest. Let's not get up here with no scandal and all that BS. We're done we're done here, man. We're done here.","topics_json":"[\"public_safety\"]","vector_id":"vec_seg_101612_164","created_at":"2026-10-31T08:06:37Z","speaker_name":"Doug Hall"},{"id":"seg_101612_165","meeting_id":"101612","media_asset_id":"med_101612_222f4db39d42ac83","agenda_item_id":null,"speaker_id":"off_david_l_anderson","speaker_confidence":0.95,"start_sec":3931.78,"end_sec":3966.5,"text":"Thank you. And um now uh next? Yes, please come forward. Ms. May? Mrs. May?","topics_json":"[]","vector_id":"vec_seg_101612_165","created_at":"2026-10-31T08:06:37Z","speaker_name":"David L. Anderson"},{"id":"seg_101612_166","meeting_id":"101612","media_asset_id":"med_101612_222f4db39d42ac83","agenda_item_id":null,"speaker_id":"spk_101612_mrs_may","speaker_confidence":0.9,"start_sec":3966.56,"end_sec":3985.6,"text":"Pardon me, man. I just have one question. Um cuz it's it's baffling me that we're in a deficit, but how is Dover bringing money in in order to clear the deficit? Because like I said, if you go down Loockerman, there are businesses that are closed. There are a little bracelet store that was open when we first moved down here. My daughter wanted to go to it. It was closed a week later. I mean, and it sold really beautiful stuff. I mean, we're we're seeing businesses go, and we're not seeing businesses come back.","topics_json":"[\"business\",\"budget\"]","vector_id":"vec_seg_101612_166","created_at":"2026-10-31T08:06:37Z","speaker_name":"Mrs. May"},{"id":"seg_101612_167","meeting_id":"101612","media_asset_id":"med_101612_222f4db39d42ac83","agenda_item_id":null,"speaker_id":"spk_101612_mrs_may","speaker_confidence":0.9,"start_sec":3985.78,"end_sec":4027.31,"text":"I've even thought about opening the the restaurant that closed, the bar and grill and all that stuff. Yeah, I changed my mind on that because there's no parking, and there's people outside that wouldn't, you know, it would make my property outside look horrible. And I'd have to invite them in to give them a free meal because that's the kind of person I am. So I'd be selling my soul to the devil coming here. You know, free food for everybody and it's on me. Um, but I'd like to know where exactly are we going with bringing money into Dover, because it seems like it's going out and we're spending money on projects that we can't even cash our own checks on.","topics_json":"[\"business\",\"homelessness\",\"budget\"]","vector_id":"vec_seg_101612_167","created_at":"2026-10-31T08:06:37Z","speaker_name":"Mrs. May"},{"id":"seg_101612_168","meeting_id":"101612","media_asset_id":"med_101612_222f4db39d42ac83","agenda_item_id":null,"speaker_id":"spk_101612_mrs_may","speaker_confidence":0.9,"start_sec":4027.8,"end_sec":4058.69,"text":"And we need to figure out what we need to do in order to be able to cash those checks and make sure, you know, the bank clears them, because it doesn't seem like it's going that way. And I'm not seeing any improvements, cuz you guys are getting my taxes, and I'm not seeing, you know, the use of it. And like I said, there are two council members, maybe three, that that, you know, understand what I'm going through, and understand what my neighbors are going through, cuz I take care of the elderly in my community. So if they need food, guess what, I go spend my money that, you know, I make to go make sure that they have food in their house, just like my kids would.","topics_json":"[\"taxes\",\"budget\"]","vector_id":"vec_seg_101612_168","created_at":"2026-10-31T08:06:37Z","speaker_name":"Mrs. May"},{"id":"seg_101612_169","meeting_id":"101612","media_asset_id":"med_101612_222f4db39d42ac83","agenda_item_id":null,"speaker_id":"spk_101612_mrs_may","speaker_confidence":0.9,"start_sec":4059.06,"end_sec":4091.53,"text":"So, you know, I'm I'm showing community, and I'm not seeing community given back by going, okay, there's a business down the street, yes, we're supporting small businesses. Yes, we're supporting the community itself by, you know, going out, helping pick trash on the weekend. See, we have these groups that are doing it, but where are the council members? Where where where is","topics_json":"[\"business\"]","vector_id":"vec_seg_101612_169","created_at":"2026-10-31T08:06:37Z","speaker_name":"Mrs. May"},{"id":"seg_101612_17","meeting_id":"101612","media_asset_id":"med_101612_222f4db39d42ac83","agenda_item_id":null,"speaker_id":"off_robin_r_christiansen","speaker_confidence":0.95,"start_sec":940.07,"end_sec":940.86,"text":"Good evening. How are you, sir?","topics_json":"[]","vector_id":"vec_seg_101612_17","created_at":"2026-10-31T08:06:36Z","speaker_name":"Robin R. Christiansen"},{"id":"seg_101612_170","meeting_id":"101612","media_asset_id":"med_101612_222f4db39d42ac83","agenda_item_id":null,"speaker_id":"spk_101612_mrs_may","speaker_confidence":0.9,"start_sec":4098.4,"end_sec":4114.03,"text":"our local government going out and and picking stuff up? Me and Sudler went and shoveled snow off of people's driveways and sidewalks. I mean, we we need to do something about this, and we need to show where we can bring money in and be able to complete projects without causing hassle and traffic and more homeless people and and more abandoned buildings. We need to get ourselves together here,","topics_json":"[\"homelessness\",\"budget\"]","vector_id":"vec_seg_101612_170","created_at":"2026-10-31T08:06:37Z","speaker_name":"Mrs. May"},{"id":"seg_101612_171","meeting_id":"101612","media_asset_id":"med_101612_222f4db39d42ac83","agenda_item_id":null,"speaker_id":"spk_101612_mrs_may","speaker_confidence":0.9,"start_sec":4114.15,"end_sec":4153.31,"text":"because it all is one big mumbled mess. And as my husband would say, you keep mumbling. I'm mumbling because you want to know what, it's true. There's different issues that I'm very very passionate about that, yeah, as a council person, I would definitely go, okay, well, what's going on here? Why aren't we all agreeing on this? Cuz nothing's easy. Tell my daughter that: Nothing's ever easy till you work for it, then it's easy.","topics_json":"[\"budget\"]","vector_id":"vec_seg_101612_171","created_at":"2026-10-31T08:06:37Z","speaker_name":"Mrs. May"},{"id":"seg_101612_172","meeting_id":"101612","media_asset_id":"med_101612_222f4db39d42ac83","agenda_item_id":null,"speaker_id":"off_david_l_anderson","speaker_confidence":0.95,"start_sec":4153.56,"end_sec":4160.24,"text":"Thank you. Anyone else? And your","topics_json":"[]","vector_id":"vec_seg_101612_172","created_at":"2026-10-31T08:06:37Z","speaker_name":"David L. Anderson"},{"id":"seg_101612_173","meeting_id":"101612","media_asset_id":"med_101612_222f4db39d42ac83","agenda_item_id":null,"speaker_id":"spk_101612_michael_scheinbaum","speaker_confidence":0.95,"start_sec":4160.43,"end_sec":4161.46,"text":"My name is Michael Scheinbaum. I'm the owner","topics_json":"[\"business\"]","vector_id":"vec_seg_101612_173","created_at":"2026-10-31T08:06:37Z","speaker_name":"Michael Scheinbaum"},{"id":"seg_101612_174","meeting_id":"101612","media_asset_id":"med_101612_222f4db39d42ac83","agenda_item_id":null,"speaker_id":"off_david_l_anderson","speaker_confidence":0.95,"start_sec":4161.52,"end_sec":4163.16,"text":"Can you say that in the microphone, please, for the recording?","topics_json":"[]","vector_id":"vec_seg_101612_174","created_at":"2026-10-31T08:06:37Z","speaker_name":"David L. Anderson"},{"id":"seg_101612_175","meeting_id":"101612","media_asset_id":"med_101612_222f4db39d42ac83","agenda_item_id":null,"speaker_id":"spk_101612_michael_scheinbaum","speaker_confidence":0.95,"start_sec":4163.47,"end_sec":4178.79,"text":"My name is Michael Scheinbaum, I'm the owner of Crispy and Polly Family Entertainment. Um tomorrow marks the third year that I have lived in Dover. Um I had dreams of being a Dover-based business, and the reality is that I am a Delaware-based Dover business based in Dover.","topics_json":"[\"business\"]","vector_id":"vec_seg_101612_175","created_at":"2026-10-31T08:06:37Z","speaker_name":"Michael Scheinbaum"},{"id":"seg_101612_176","meeting_id":"101612","media_asset_id":"med_101612_222f4db39d42ac83","agenda_item_id":null,"speaker_id":"spk_101612_michael_scheinbaum","speaker_confidence":0.95,"start_sec":4179.22,"end_sec":4223.49,"text":"Um my wife and I primarily do children's entertainment, we're balloon twisters, we're um we're clowns, we're magicians, we're a variety of things. Point is though, we do very well as a business because we serve all of Delaware and eastern Maryland, but if you look at our market, it's like a donut. We have New Castle all over the place. We have Sussex County all over the place. Eastern Maryland, beautiful. Kent County, crickets. I mean we have some, we have some representation in Kent County and Dover, but it's limited. And um there's a point to this, and","topics_json":"[\"business\"]","vector_id":"vec_seg_101612_176","created_at":"2026-10-31T08:06:37Z","speaker_name":"Michael Scheinbaum"},{"id":"seg_101612_177","meeting_id":"101612","media_asset_id":"med_101612_222f4db39d42ac83","agenda_item_id":null,"speaker_id":"spk_101612_michael_scheinbaum","speaker_confidence":0.95,"start_sec":4228.96,"end_sec":4272.19,"text":"I have a hard time, despite the fact of being five-star members of the CDCC and of doing everything we can to be part of this, we have a 100% tip um policy where wherever we go, 100% of our tips go to the charity or nonprofit of the client's choosing. And when they don't choose one, we donate all of our tips to wherever it is. Big I'm I have to choose my words very carefully, what I do in December,","topics_json":"[\"business\"]","vector_id":"vec_seg_101612_177","created_at":"2026-10-31T08:06:37Z","speaker_name":"Michael Scheinbaum"},{"id":"seg_101612_178","meeting_id":"101612","media_asset_id":"med_101612_222f4db39d42ac83","agenda_item_id":null,"speaker_id":"spk_101612_michael_scheinbaum","speaker_confidence":0.95,"start_sec":4274.75,"end_sec":4302.96,"text":"but 50% of everything we do in December is pro bono. And we do all of this because we do very well at what we do, because of everything we do outside of of Kent County. And were it not for that, I don't know if I could keep the house that I've had for 3 years. I may very well be homeless. And but for the incredible work of people like like Pastor Pastor Hodge and Teresa Campbell Harris, Neighbors in Need,","topics_json":"[\"homelessness\",\"business\"]","vector_id":"vec_seg_101612_178","created_at":"2026-10-31T08:06:37Z","speaker_name":"Michael Scheinbaum"},{"id":"seg_101612_179","meeting_id":"101612","media_asset_id":"med_101612_222f4db39d42ac83","agenda_item_id":null,"speaker_id":"spk_101612_michael_scheinbaum","speaker_confidence":0.95,"start_sec":4303.15,"end_sec":4351.19,"text":"I could be homeless too. But for the grace of God, my privilege, my anxiety, and everything else, um I do my best to help a community that really is is seems to just have a real antipathy towards the homeless. And so I'm here, and I don't think I'm moving from Dover, but I want to have pride in being here, being with all of you, being your neighbor, and everything else. I want to love Dover as much as I've come to love Delaware and Delmarva. I really really want it. But I want to see that compassion that I feel that I'm attracted to with the People's Church certainly has that. I want to feel that love of my neighbors, and I'm I'm I'm waiting to hear it from you guys. So that's it.","topics_json":"[\"homelessness\"]","vector_id":"vec_seg_101612_179","created_at":"2026-10-31T08:06:37Z","speaker_name":"Michael Scheinbaum"},{"id":"seg_101612_18","meeting_id":"101612","media_asset_id":"med_101612_222f4db39d42ac83","agenda_item_id":null,"speaker_id":"spk_101612_bobby_wilson","speaker_confidence":0.95,"start_sec":940.86,"end_sec":941.65,"text":"Wonderful, and yourself?","topics_json":"[]","vector_id":"vec_seg_101612_18","created_at":"2026-10-31T08:06:36Z","speaker_name":"Bobby Wilson"},{"id":"seg_101612_180","meeting_id":"101612","media_asset_id":"med_101612_222f4db39d42ac83","agenda_item_id":null,"speaker_id":"off_david_l_anderson","speaker_confidence":0.95,"start_sec":4351.25,"end_sec":4363.59,"text":"Thank you. Thank you very much. All right, now, and that's all I see, so uh what is the pleasure of the committee?","topics_json":"[]","vector_id":"vec_seg_101612_180","created_at":"2026-10-31T08:06:37Z","speaker_name":"David L. Anderson"},{"id":"seg_101612_181","meeting_id":"101612","media_asset_id":"med_101612_222f4db39d42ac83","agenda_item_id":null,"speaker_id":"off_david_l_anderson","speaker_confidence":0.95,"start_sec":4365.29,"end_sec":4395.64,"text":"Uh Dr. Sudler, did you wish to refer this to uh staff for review, yeah, for for for possible funding?","topics_json":"[\"budget\"]","vector_id":"vec_seg_101612_181","created_at":"2026-10-31T08:06:37Z","speaker_name":"David L. Anderson"},{"id":"seg_101612_182","meeting_id":"101612","media_asset_id":"med_101612_222f4db39d42ac83","agenda_item_id":null,"speaker_id":"off_roy_sudler_jr","speaker_confidence":0.95,"start_sec":4395.76,"end_sec":4425.98,"text":"Yes, thank you. Absolutely. Um based on the fact that the application is incomplete, um which I do support the initiative, um based on the fact that it's incomplete and needs to be completed, I would suggest that uh we refer to staff or and give Mr. Wilson enough time to complete the application, and also submit both entities, and I think he's also amenable to that, and if there's anything that we can do, um don't don't hesitate to reach out to staff if there's any questions, you know, in filling out that application. We want to see everyone successful. And so, um that's my motion, that we refer to staff and give Mr. Wilson an opportunity to complete the application so that he can get approved.","topics_json":"[\"budget\"]","vector_id":"vec_seg_101612_182","created_at":"2026-10-31T08:06:37Z","speaker_name":"Roy Sudler, Jr."},{"id":"seg_101612_183","meeting_id":"101612","media_asset_id":"med_101612_222f4db39d42ac83","agenda_item_id":null,"speaker_id":"off_david_l_anderson","speaker_confidence":0.95,"start_sec":4426.17,"end_sec":4451.4,"text":"Is there a second?","topics_json":"[]","vector_id":"vec_seg_101612_183","created_at":"2026-10-31T08:06:37Z","speaker_name":"David L. Anderson"},{"id":"seg_101612_184","meeting_id":"101612","media_asset_id":"med_101612_222f4db39d42ac83","agenda_item_id":null,"speaker_id":"off_andre_m_boggerty","speaker_confidence":0.95,"start_sec":4451.58,"end_sec":4452.37,"text":"I'll make a second.","topics_json":"[]","vector_id":"vec_seg_101612_184","created_at":"2026-10-31T08:06:37Z","speaker_name":"Andre M. Boggerty"},{"id":"seg_101612_185","meeting_id":"101612","media_asset_id":"med_101612_222f4db39d42ac83","agenda_item_id":null,"speaker_id":"off_david_l_anderson","speaker_confidence":0.95,"start_sec":4452.56,"end_sec":4460.58,"text":"It's been moved by Dr. Sudler, and seconded by Councilman Boggerty. Is there discussion? All in favor?","topics_json":"[]","vector_id":"vec_seg_101612_185","created_at":"2026-10-31T08:06:37Z","speaker_name":"David L. Anderson"},{"id":"seg_101612_186","meeting_id":"101612","media_asset_id":"med_101612_222f4db39d42ac83","agenda_item_id":null,"speaker_id":"spk_101612_council_members","speaker_confidence":0.9,"start_sec":4459.43,"end_sec":4460.71,"text":"Aye. Aye. Aye.","topics_json":"[]","vector_id":"vec_seg_101612_186","created_at":"2026-10-31T08:06:37Z","speaker_name":null},{"id":"seg_101612_187","meeting_id":"101612","media_asset_id":"med_101612_222f4db39d42ac83","agenda_item_id":null,"speaker_id":"off_david_l_anderson","speaker_confidence":0.95,"start_sec":4460.77,"end_sec":4465.39,"text":"Any opposed? The motion the motion carries unanimously.","topics_json":"[]","vector_id":"vec_seg_101612_187","created_at":"2026-10-31T08:06:37Z","speaker_name":"David L. Anderson"},{"id":"seg_101612_188","meeting_id":"101612","media_asset_id":"med_101612_222f4db39d42ac83","agenda_item_id":null,"speaker_id":"off_david_l_anderson","speaker_confidence":0.95,"start_sec":4465.57,"end_sec":4489.1,"text":"That takes us to, finally to the uh Parks and Recreation and Community Enhancement Committee. Um the chair woman Hall had a family emergency and properly notified But then she's not here, right. She's thought had a family emergency and properly notified uh Council President. Um there is only one item on the agenda, so at this time I would uh entertain a motion to uh adopt the agenda.","topics_json":"[]","vector_id":"vec_seg_101612_188","created_at":"2026-10-31T08:06:37Z","speaker_name":"David L. Anderson"},{"id":"seg_101612_189","meeting_id":"101612","media_asset_id":"med_101612_222f4db39d42ac83","agenda_item_id":null,"speaker_id":"off_roy_sudler_jr","speaker_confidence":0.95,"start_sec":4513.61,"end_sec":4515.13,"text":"So moved. So moved to adopt the agenda as presented.","topics_json":"[]","vector_id":"vec_seg_101612_189","created_at":"2026-10-31T08:06:37Z","speaker_name":"Roy Sudler, Jr."},{"id":"seg_101612_19","meeting_id":"101612","media_asset_id":"med_101612_222f4db39d42ac83","agenda_item_id":null,"speaker_id":"off_robin_r_christiansen","speaker_confidence":0.95,"start_sec":941.65,"end_sec":1047.14,"text":"So, can you tell me the folks that you are reaching out to for job training and and the efforts that you're putting forward? The reason I'm asking that is because, you know, Dr. Sudler has chaired the Blue Ribbon Commission that the mayor established. I'm wondering if there's a possibility that if some of these folks are at risk, that they may come under the umbrella that they would seek an ongoing grant for your program with those funds, which should by all intent and purposes go back into the community to not only assist people who have these addictions, but also to establish programs so that they will not go back into addiction. My second question to you is, and you can answer this in two parts and Dr. Sudler chiming in wherever you feel so inclined to do. The Downtown Dover Partnership is part of a investment, long-term investment, for the revitalization of downtown Dover. Have have they been receptive to your program? And and I need to know what their response was. So, can you tell me about the folks that we are going to have in this program, if they might benefit from applying for the opioid This is what, round three, Dr. Sudler?","topics_json":"[\"budget\",\"business\"]","vector_id":"vec_seg_101612_19","created_at":"2026-10-31T08:06:36Z","speaker_name":"Robin R. Christiansen"},{"id":"seg_101612_190","meeting_id":"101612","media_asset_id":"med_101612_222f4db39d42ac83","agenda_item_id":null,"speaker_id":"off_tricia_k_arndt","speaker_confidence":0.95,"start_sec":4515.31,"end_sec":4516.04,"text":"Second.","topics_json":"[]","vector_id":"vec_seg_101612_190","created_at":"2026-10-31T08:06:37Z","speaker_name":"Tricia K. Arndt"},{"id":"seg_101612_191","meeting_id":"101612","media_asset_id":"med_101612_222f4db39d42ac83","agenda_item_id":null,"speaker_id":"off_david_l_anderson","speaker_confidence":0.95,"start_sec":4516.35,"end_sec":4521.27,"text":"It's been moved and seconded. Uh any discussion or amendment? All in favor?","topics_json":"[]","vector_id":"vec_seg_101612_191","created_at":"2026-10-31T08:06:37Z","speaker_name":"David L. Anderson"},{"id":"seg_101612_192","meeting_id":"101612","media_asset_id":"med_101612_222f4db39d42ac83","agenda_item_id":null,"speaker_id":"spk_101612_council_members","speaker_confidence":0.9,"start_sec":4520.42,"end_sec":4521.39,"text":"Aye. Aye.","topics_json":"[]","vector_id":"vec_seg_101612_192","created_at":"2026-10-31T08:06:37Z","speaker_name":null},{"id":"seg_101612_193","meeting_id":"101612","media_asset_id":"med_101612_222f4db39d42ac83","agenda_item_id":null,"speaker_id":"off_david_l_anderson","speaker_confidence":0.95,"start_sec":4521.64,"end_sec":4541.4,"text":"Is there are there any civilian members for Parks, Recreation, Community Enhancement here? Or online? Okay. All right. Um so the first item is consideration of withdrawal/reallocation of CDBG funds for People's Community Center renovation project. Um Mr. or Mrs. O'Brien, community development manager? Yeah. Yeah. Councilman Dr. Sudler.","topics_json":"[\"budget\"]","vector_id":"vec_seg_101612_193","created_at":"2026-10-31T08:06:37Z","speaker_name":"David L. Anderson"},{"id":"seg_101612_194","meeting_id":"101612","media_asset_id":"med_101612_222f4db39d42ac83","agenda_item_id":null,"speaker_id":"off_roy_sudler_jr","speaker_confidence":0.95,"start_sec":4541.52,"end_sec":4577.16,"text":"Uh thank you for recognizing me uh Acting Council President Anderson. Just wanted to say that it appears that the staff recommendation is to approve the withdrawal of the previously approved $40,000. Um can can we explain that a little bit?","topics_json":"[\"budget\"]","vector_id":"vec_seg_101612_194","created_at":"2026-10-31T08:06:37Z","speaker_name":"Roy Sudler, Jr."},{"id":"seg_101612_195","meeting_id":"101612","media_asset_id":"med_101612_222f4db39d42ac83","agenda_item_id":null,"speaker_id":"off_david_l_anderson","speaker_confidence":0.95,"start_sec":4577.4,"end_sec":4579.47,"text":"Uh that that will be her presentation.","topics_json":"[]","vector_id":"vec_seg_101612_195","created_at":"2026-10-31T08:06:37Z","speaker_name":"David L. Anderson"},{"id":"seg_101612_196","meeting_id":"101612","media_asset_id":"med_101612_222f4db39d42ac83","agenda_item_id":null,"speaker_id":"off_roy_sudler_jr","speaker_confidence":0.95,"start_sec":4579.53,"end_sec":4580.32,"text":"Oh, okay. Thanks.","topics_json":"[]","vector_id":"vec_seg_101612_196","created_at":"2026-10-31T08:06:37Z","speaker_name":"Roy Sudler, Jr."},{"id":"seg_101612_197","meeting_id":"101612","media_asset_id":"med_101612_222f4db39d42ac83","agenda_item_id":null,"speaker_id":"off_david_l_anderson","speaker_confidence":0.95,"start_sec":4580.38,"end_sec":4588.53,"text":"Thank you. Um see, at this time uh uh Councilman Rocha is uh is recusing. Uh all right, now you may continue. Thank you.","topics_json":"[]","vector_id":"vec_seg_101612_197","created_at":"2026-10-31T08:06:37Z","speaker_name":"David L. Anderson"},{"id":"seg_101612_198","meeting_id":"101612","media_asset_id":"med_101612_222f4db39d42ac83","agenda_item_id":null,"speaker_id":"spk_101612_debbie_o_brien","speaker_confidence":0.95,"start_sec":4589.14,"end_sec":4604.03,"text":"Good evening. I'm Debbie O'Brien, Community Development Manager. One of my responsibilities is to administer the Community Development Block Grant funding that the city receives from HUD annually. I'm here tonight to present the facts that have influenced my recommendation to withdraw this funding and to explain why. Based on the information gathered through my review, I believe this is the prudent course of action.","topics_json":"[\"budget\",\"housing\"]","vector_id":"vec_seg_101612_198","created_at":"2026-10-31T08:06:37Z","speaker_name":"Debbie O'Brien"},{"id":"seg_101612_199","meeting_id":"101612","media_asset_id":"med_101612_222f4db39d42ac83","agenda_item_id":null,"speaker_id":"spk_101612_debbie_o_brien","speaker_confidence":0.95,"start_sec":4604.58,"end_sec":4651.41,"text":"I want to emphasize that this recommendation was not made lightly. My responsibility is not only to help the city use its CDBG resources to address community needs, but also to protect the city's ability to continue receiving those federal funds. When the city accepts CDBG funding, it also accepts responsibility for ensuring that those funds are administered in accordance with federal requirements. Failure to do so can expose the city to corrective action, repayment of funds, and in more serious circumstances, it can jeopardize future CDBG funding.","topics_json":"[\"budget\"]","vector_id":"vec_seg_101612_199","created_at":"2026-10-31T08:06:37Z","speaker_name":"Debbie O'Brien"},{"id":"seg_101612_2","meeting_id":"101612","media_asset_id":"med_101612_222f4db39d42ac83","agenda_item_id":null,"speaker_id":"off_tricia_k_arndt","speaker_confidence":0.95,"start_sec":21.41,"end_sec":22.27,"text":"Motion to approve the agenda.","topics_json":"[]","vector_id":"vec_seg_101612_2","created_at":"2026-10-31T08:06:36Z","speaker_name":"Tricia K. Arndt"},{"id":"seg_101612_20","meeting_id":"101612","media_asset_id":"med_101612_222f4db39d42ac83","agenda_item_id":null,"speaker_id":"off_roy_sudler_jr","speaker_confidence":0.95,"start_sec":1047.14,"end_sec":1048.18,"text":"Yes.","topics_json":"[]","vector_id":"vec_seg_101612_20","created_at":"2026-10-31T08:06:36Z","speaker_name":"Roy Sudler, Jr."},{"id":"seg_101612_200","meeting_id":"101612","media_asset_id":"med_101612_222f4db39d42ac83","agenda_item_id":null,"speaker_id":"spk_101612_debbie_o_brien","speaker_confidence":0.95,"start_sec":4652.01,"end_sec":4687.34,"text":"Um I have not found any other subrecipient in similar circumstances. When the environmental review process entered its comment period with the notice of intent to request release of funds, I did so in good faith and with the expectation that the project would continue through the normal CDBG process. However, the public comments received during that process raised concerns that warranted a closer look at the overall feasibility of the project.","topics_json":"[\"budget\"]","vector_id":"vec_seg_101612_200","created_at":"2026-10-31T08:06:37Z","speaker_name":"Debbie O'Brien"},{"id":"seg_101612_201","meeting_id":"101612","media_asset_id":"med_101612_222f4db39d42ac83","agenda_item_id":null,"speaker_id":"spk_101612_debbie_o_brien","speaker_confidence":0.95,"start_sec":4687.83,"end_sec":4718.6,"text":"In response, I conducted additional research and reviewed the project more broadly, not simply from an environmental standpoint, but also in terms of its documentation, procurement, contractual obligations, project readiness, and compliance with CDBG requirements. What I found led me to believe that council should have the opportunity to consider these facts before the city proceeds with the request for release of funds. In reaching this recommendation, I focused on five fundamental questions. One, programmatic: Is the project capable of achieving its CDBG objective within a reasonable timeframe? Multiple funding sources have been identified","topics_json":"[\"budget\"]","vector_id":"vec_seg_101612_201","created_at":"2026-10-31T08:06:37Z","speaker_name":"Debbie O'Brien"},{"id":"seg_101612_202","meeting_id":"101612","media_asset_id":"med_101612_222f4db39d42ac83","agenda_item_id":null,"speaker_id":"spk_101612_tracey_harvey","speaker_confidence":0.95,"start_sec":4718.6,"end_sec":4737.15,"text":"identified for renovation of this space over several years, while the proposed renovation has not been completed. This history, together with the absence of renovation, has not been completed. Oh, I'm sorry. This history, together with the absence of a clearly demonstrated timeline for completion and operation of the proposed program, led me to question whether the project is sufficiently defined and whether the organization has the resources necessary to complete it and achieve the intended CDBG objectives.","topics_json":"[\"budget\",\"housing\"]","vector_id":"vec_seg_101612_202","created_at":"2026-10-31T08:06:37Z","speaker_name":"Tracey Harvey"},{"id":"seg_101612_203","meeting_id":"101612","media_asset_id":"med_101612_222f4db39d42ac83","agenda_item_id":null,"speaker_id":"spk_101612_tracey_harvey","speaker_confidence":0.95,"start_sec":4737.33,"end_sec":4752.96,"text":"Two. Procurement. Has the organization demonstrated adherence to procurement standards? The question The review identified recurring deficiencies in procurement and supporting documentation. Despite repeated reminders regarding the city's requirement to obtain at least three quotations for purchases exceeding $10,000, and to follow the city's purchasing policy, those deficiencies remain unresolved.","topics_json":"[\"budget\"]","vector_id":"vec_seg_101612_203","created_at":"2026-10-31T08:06:37Z","speaker_name":"Tracey Harvey"},{"id":"seg_101612_204","meeting_id":"101612","media_asset_id":"med_101612_222f4db39d42ac83","agenda_item_id":null,"speaker_id":"spk_101612_tracey_harvey","speaker_confidence":0.95,"start_sec":4753.56,"end_sec":4791.81,"text":"Three. Contractual. Has the organization fulfilled its contractual obligations? The review identified multiple instances in which the subrecipient did not demonstrate adherence to obligations established in the executed agreement. Based on these unresolved contractual performance and documentation concerns, I determined that extending the agreement was not warranted.","topics_json":"[\"budget\"]","vector_id":"vec_seg_101612_204","created_at":"2026-10-31T08:06:37Z","speaker_name":"Tracey Harvey"},{"id":"seg_101612_205","meeting_id":"101612","media_asset_id":"med_101612_222f4db39d42ac83","agenda_item_id":null,"speaker_id":"spk_101612_tracey_harvey","speaker_confidence":0.95,"start_sec":4792.6,"end_sec":4852.37,"text":"Four. Compliance. Can the city reasonably assure that the project could be implemented in compliance with applicable federal guidelines? For purposes of this review, compliance includes not only meeting individual program requirements, but also the city's ability to provide appropriate oversight and assurance that those requirements will continue to be met throughout the life of the project. The expanded review identified concerns regarding regarding the integrity of past performance, including an instance that conveyed the appearance of impropriety. The organization's ability to demonstrate achievement of the intended CDBG national objective through reliable, measurable method methods is also a concern. Adequate procedures and documentation have not been demonstrated for identifying eligible beneficiaries, verifying eligibility, and measuring outcomes necessary to establish compliance with the applicable national objective.","topics_json":"[\"budget\"]","vector_id":"vec_seg_101612_205","created_at":"2026-10-31T08:06:37Z","speaker_name":"Tracey Harvey"},{"id":"seg_101612_206","meeting_id":"101612","media_asset_id":"med_101612_222f4db39d42ac83","agenda_item_id":null,"speaker_id":"spk_101612_tracey_harvey","speaker_confidence":0.95,"start_sec":4852.74,"end_sec":4930.09,"text":"Five. Implementation. Is there a defined and reliable path to completion and provision of services? Based on the programmatic, procurement, contractual, and compliance concerns identified, I did not have sufficient assurance that the project can be successfully implemented or that the proposed workforce development program can be sustained. The project has not progressed to implementation within the established performance period. Not And required reporting and supporting documentation remain outstanding. Procurement and contractual obligations have not been consistently demonstrated, and the project has relied on multiple potential funding sources without a clearly demonstrated sustainable funding plan. Recent reductions in grant-in-aid funding, along with the denial of the economic development grant funding, also raise additional concerns regarding the sustainability of the proposed program. Collectively, these factors indicate that there is not currently a sufficiently defined or reliable path to completion of the renovation and provision of the proposed services. My responsibility is to ensure that the city's federal funds are used for eligible activities supported by adequate documentation and administered in accordance with the requirements that come with accepting those funds. For the reasons I've outlined tonight, I recommend that the current CDBG allocation to this project be withdrawn. And I'm happy to answer any questions.","topics_json":"[\"budget\"]","vector_id":"vec_seg_101612_206","created_at":"2026-10-31T08:06:37Z","speaker_name":"Tracey Harvey"},{"id":"seg_101612_207","meeting_id":"101612","media_asset_id":"med_101612_222f4db39d42ac83","agenda_item_id":null,"speaker_id":"off_fred_a_neil","speaker_confidence":0.95,"start_sec":4931.12,"end_sec":4935.13,"text":"Thank you. Thank you very much. Uh, questions? Uh, Mrs. Arndt, Councilwoman?","topics_json":"[]","vector_id":"vec_seg_101612_207","created_at":"2026-10-31T08:06:37Z","speaker_name":"Fred A. Neil"},{"id":"seg_101612_208","meeting_id":"101612","media_asset_id":"med_101612_222f4db39d42ac83","agenda_item_id":null,"speaker_id":"off_tricia_k_arndt","speaker_confidence":0.95,"start_sec":4935.56,"end_sec":4988.95,"text":"Thank you. And I I appreciate that information that was certainly helpful. That's the first time hearing of it. I think if I had been able to review that beforehand, I would feel more comfortable um in making this decision. Um based on what's in the in the packet, um seeing phase one environmental site assessment, my initial thought on the issue was that there were contaminants within the building, you know, lead, asbestos, what have you, and that the um the renovation could not proceed, or at least could not proceed in the budget that had been outlined initially. I thought maybe there needs to be some environmental remediation before moving forward uh and that the project could not be completed um with $40,000. So that was I came into this with with the wrong impression. Um so the information that you have have provided um so they did not get three quotes? They should have gotten three quotes and they did not. Is that one of the issues?","topics_json":"[\"budget\"]","vector_id":"vec_seg_101612_208","created_at":"2026-10-31T08:06:37Z","speaker_name":"Tricia K. Arndt"},{"id":"seg_101612_209","meeting_id":"101612","media_asset_id":"med_101612_222f4db39d42ac83","agenda_item_id":null,"speaker_id":"spk_101612_tracey_harvey","speaker_confidence":0.95,"start_sec":4994.24,"end_sec":4994.91,"text":"That That is correct.","topics_json":"[]","vector_id":"vec_seg_101612_209","created_at":"2026-10-31T08:06:37Z","speaker_name":"Tracey Harvey"},{"id":"seg_101612_21","meeting_id":"101612","media_asset_id":"med_101612_222f4db39d42ac83","agenda_item_id":null,"speaker_id":"off_robin_r_christiansen","speaker_confidence":0.95,"start_sec":1048.18,"end_sec":1058.28,"text":"That's coming on on board, so that we might be able to get you more funding than what you are requesting through those opioid settlement funds. And then I'd like to know about the the Downtown Dover Partnership's response to your presentations and requests.","topics_json":"[\"budget\",\"business\"]","vector_id":"vec_seg_101612_21","created_at":"2026-10-31T08:06:36Z","speaker_name":"Robin R. Christiansen"},{"id":"seg_101612_210","meeting_id":"101612","media_asset_id":"med_101612_222f4db39d42ac83","agenda_item_id":null,"speaker_id":"off_tricia_k_arndt","speaker_confidence":0.95,"start_sec":4995.09,"end_sec":4995.88,"text":"Did they get any quotes?","topics_json":"[]","vector_id":"vec_seg_101612_210","created_at":"2026-10-31T08:06:37Z","speaker_name":"Tricia K. Arndt"},{"id":"seg_101612_211","meeting_id":"101612","media_asset_id":"med_101612_222f4db39d42ac83","agenda_item_id":null,"speaker_id":"spk_101612_tracey_harvey","speaker_confidence":0.95,"start_sec":4996.06,"end_sec":5023.79,"text":"There was one quote, and I received every other page of that quote with the invoice.","topics_json":"[\"budget\"]","vector_id":"vec_seg_101612_211","created_at":"2026-10-31T08:06:37Z","speaker_name":"Tracey Harvey"},{"id":"seg_101612_212","meeting_id":"101612","media_asset_id":"med_101612_222f4db39d42ac83","agenda_item_id":null,"speaker_id":"off_tricia_k_arndt","speaker_confidence":0.95,"start_sec":5024.15,"end_sec":5032.54,"text":"Okay. So, in- insufficient documentation, um did not get the quote needed. You mentioned the executed agreement and um contractual obli- obligations were not met. Could you review what those obligations were that were not met?","topics_json":"[\"budget\"]","vector_id":"vec_seg_101612_212","created_at":"2026-10-31T08:06:37Z","speaker_name":"Tricia K. Arndt"},{"id":"seg_101612_213","meeting_id":"101612","media_asset_id":"med_101612_222f4db39d42ac83","agenda_item_id":null,"speaker_id":"off_fred_a_neil","speaker_confidence":0.9,"start_sec":5033.52,"end_sec":5034.13,"text":"Page six to pass.","topics_json":"[]","vector_id":"vec_seg_101612_213","created_at":"2026-10-31T08:06:37Z","speaker_name":"Fred A. Neil"},{"id":"seg_101612_214","meeting_id":"101612","media_asset_id":"med_101612_222f4db39d42ac83","agenda_item_id":null,"speaker_id":"spk_101612_tracey_harvey","speaker_confidence":0.95,"start_sec":5034.43,"end_sec":5100.16,"text":"The agreement required the subrecipient to administer administer the project in a manner satisfactory to the city and consistent with applicable standards. The agreement required submission of monthly progress reports. None were received despite my requests on February 5th, '26 and August 13th, '26. The agreement provides that substandard performance, as determined by the grantee, that is us, constitutes noncompliance. If action to correct such substandard performance is not taken by the subrecipient within a reasonable time, contract suspension or termination procedures will be initiated. The performance period ended June 30th, and no permit applications for the project have been received by the city prior to the expiration. And to this day, I still think there aren't any permits, still. The agreement required compliance with applicable federal, state, and local laws, regulations, and policies. The subrecipient did not demonstrate compliance with the requirements of either the city's purchasing policy or uniform guidance at 2 CFR Part 200.","topics_json":"[\"budget\"]","vector_id":"vec_seg_101612_214","created_at":"2026-10-31T08:06:37Z","speaker_name":"Tracey Harvey"},{"id":"seg_101612_215","meeting_id":"101612","media_asset_id":"med_101612_222f4db39d42ac83","agenda_item_id":null,"speaker_id":"off_tricia_k_arndt","speaker_confidence":0.95,"start_sec":5102.11,"end_sec":5110.13,"text":"Thank you for that. So you did not receive monthly reports, there were no permits that had been applied for as of June 30th. Um and have you had any um conversations or meetings with the applicant to","topics_json":"[\"budget\"]","vector_id":"vec_seg_101612_215","created_at":"2026-10-31T08:06:37Z","speaker_name":"Tricia K. Arndt"},{"id":"seg_101612_216","meeting_id":"101612","media_asset_id":"med_101612_222f4db39d42ac83","agenda_item_id":null,"speaker_id":"spk_101612_tracey_harvey","speaker_confidence":0.95,"start_sec":5110.13,"end_sec":5110.44,"text":"Yes.","topics_json":"[]","vector_id":"vec_seg_101612_216","created_at":"2026-10-31T08:06:37Z","speaker_name":"Tracey Harvey"},{"id":"seg_101612_217","meeting_id":"101612","media_asset_id":"med_101612_222f4db39d42ac83","agenda_item_id":null,"speaker_id":"off_tricia_k_arndt","speaker_confidence":0.95,"start_sec":5110.5,"end_sec":5111.23,"text":"push them to move forward?","topics_json":"[]","vector_id":"vec_seg_101612_217","created_at":"2026-10-31T08:06:37Z","speaker_name":"Tricia K. Arndt"},{"id":"seg_101612_218","meeting_id":"101612","media_asset_id":"med_101612_222f4db39d42ac83","agenda_item_id":null,"speaker_id":"spk_101612_tracey_harvey","speaker_confidence":0.95,"start_sec":5111.29,"end_sec":5167.66,"text":"Yes, I met with him on May 26th. Um let me see where is that. And I followed up with an email. Um there were several emails that I had um for the procurement part of it. October 7th, I mentioned the requirement to have purchases exceeding 10,000 to have three quotes. I also mentioned that in my follow-up email on May 27th. I reinforced the requirement to follow the city's purchasing policy on May 27th and the 10th of June. Um And I and and I have several emails throughout where I had tried to help him push this to get it to go forward and and just was not. A lot of times I got ignored.","topics_json":"[\"budget\"]","vector_id":"vec_seg_101612_218","created_at":"2026-10-31T08:06:37Z","speaker_name":"Tracey Harvey"},{"id":"seg_101612_219","meeting_id":"101612","media_asset_id":"med_101612_222f4db39d42ac83","agenda_item_id":null,"speaker_id":"off_tricia_k_arndt","speaker_confidence":0.95,"start_sec":5167.96,"end_sec":5205.84,"text":"Thank you. I I appreciate that. Um I was disappointed to see this on the agenda. Um I certainly was hoping that the money would be spent uh as it was intended um for a project that we had reviewed and wanted to pursue. Um so it's disappointing that all of these conditions have not been met to to continue with the funding. So um with that, I I yield.","topics_json":"[\"budget\"]","vector_id":"vec_seg_101612_219","created_at":"2026-10-31T08:06:37Z","speaker_name":"Tricia K. Arndt"},{"id":"seg_101612_22","meeting_id":"101612","media_asset_id":"med_101612_222f4db39d42ac83","agenda_item_id":null,"speaker_id":"spk_101612_bobby_wilson","speaker_confidence":0.95,"start_sec":1058.28,"end_sec":1179.65,"text":"Okay. The first question, Mr. Mayor. The the people that we would be helping would be reentry. Reentry from prison, SNAP program folks, and folks of disability. And we have no reentry program in Dover. I'm a part of the reentry program in Washington, D.C. and Philadelphia. With so many people that has been incarcerated that are going through hard times of getting a job because of their record. And I have a way with the employers where that they trust me with the folks that I have applied to their organization. Because I went through it. I went through a whole year trying to beat down the door of employees, I mean employers, to hire the ex-offenders. I'm a former ex-offender. The situation with me is I had a college education when I came out, and plus I already had a business when I went in, had a business when I came out, family support, community support. So, I had the wrap-around service. I had NCshank, I had my family. So, you know, and NCshank, I say that because I know that most everyone knows NCshank. So, with that, a lot of people don't have the a lot of people don't have the wrap-around service. So, we're going to help them with the wrap-around service. We're going to help them with their food stamps, their Medicaid. We have now been approved with all the medical, UnitedHealthcare, so we","topics_json":"[\"business\"]","vector_id":"vec_seg_101612_22","created_at":"2026-10-31T08:06:36Z","speaker_name":"Bobby Wilson"},{"id":"seg_101612_220","meeting_id":"101612","media_asset_id":"med_101612_222f4db39d42ac83","agenda_item_id":null,"speaker_id":"off_fred_a_neil","speaker_confidence":0.95,"start_sec":5206.03,"end_sec":5209.61,"text":"Yes. Thank you. Uh uh, Councilwoman. Uh, Councilman Boggerty, you're recognized.","topics_json":"[]","vector_id":"vec_seg_101612_220","created_at":"2026-10-31T08:06:37Z","speaker_name":"Fred A. Neil"},{"id":"seg_101612_221","meeting_id":"101612","media_asset_id":"med_101612_222f4db39d42ac83","agenda_item_id":null,"speaker_id":"off_andre_m_boggerty","speaker_confidence":0.95,"start_sec":5209.92,"end_sec":5219.46,"text":"Thank you. Um thank you, Mr. Council President. Um you made a statement about other source funding. Um could you clarify that? Uh you you kind of enumerated that with other with other topics. Can you just clarify other source funding?","topics_json":"[\"budget\"]","vector_id":"vec_seg_101612_221","created_at":"2026-10-31T08:06:37Z","speaker_name":"Andre M. Boggerty"},{"id":"seg_101612_222","meeting_id":"101612","media_asset_id":"med_101612_222f4db39d42ac83","agenda_item_id":null,"speaker_id":"spk_101612_tracey_harvey","speaker_confidence":0.95,"start_sec":5219.77,"end_sec":5350.75,"text":"The organization was previously awarded 40,000 in ARPA funding for the same, or substantially similar renovation project, described as renovation of a bowling alley to provide space for case management and counseling. Uh It According to the ARPA application, the members were to contribute matching funds of $152,978. Documentation only shows $1,642 in matching disbursements. The 2025 CDBG application identified the church endowment as the source for matching funds. In a subsequent conversation, Dr. Hodge indicated that the endowment would have to be used to complete the project if sufficient grant funding was not received, and acknowledged that this would not be sustainable long-term, since the revenues from the endowment were funding its operations. At the Legislative Committee meeting on February 26, 2026, Dr. Hodge mentioned that they had received money from a private foundation to completely renovate a space that would be segregated for these different groups, mentioning Neighborhood Partners, Department of Labor, and Polytech, to hold workshops and case management. No additional information was provided regarding money from a private foundation. In an email on April 6, 2026, Dr. Hodge purported that the governor's office had funded a renovation project in the basement of People's Church in order to convert one large space into private offices and a conference room for training and case management. I called the governor's office, and they had no knowledge of this funding commitment. They did mention the Grant-in-Aid, um which I looked up also, um but that's unrelated. The 2026 CDBG application identified the requested $40,000 is only 5% of an $800,000 project, with the remaining $600,000 to be provided by other sources. Even if the full award was granted, as proposed in the 2025 to 2029 Consolidated Plan, that would be $200,000, $40,000 for five years. I still felt that there should be more transparency about the other funding sources. That's all I have.","topics_json":"[\"budget\"]","vector_id":"vec_seg_101612_222","created_at":"2026-10-31T08:06:37Z","speaker_name":"Tracey Harvey"},{"id":"seg_101612_223","meeting_id":"101612","media_asset_id":"med_101612_222f4db39d42ac83","agenda_item_id":null,"speaker_id":"off_andre_m_boggerty","speaker_confidence":0.95,"start_sec":5351.9,"end_sec":5360.48,"text":"Um has there has there been any other inquiry about any other I think you just answered that, but specifically funds for that that we may have allocated, has there been any other questions about","topics_json":"[\"budget\"]","vector_id":"vec_seg_101612_223","created_at":"2026-10-31T08:06:37Z","speaker_name":"Andre M. Boggerty"},{"id":"seg_101612_224","meeting_id":"101612","media_asset_id":"med_101612_222f4db39d42ac83","agenda_item_id":null,"speaker_id":"spk_101612_tracey_harvey","speaker_confidence":0.95,"start_sec":5360.84,"end_sec":5391.49,"text":"Yes, we allocated $153,978 in the first ARPA round. And of that, $40,000 was for the renovations that we're talking about.","topics_json":"[\"budget\"]","vector_id":"vec_seg_101612_224","created_at":"2026-10-31T08:06:37Z","speaker_name":"Tracey Harvey"},{"id":"seg_101612_225","meeting_id":"101612","media_asset_id":"med_101612_222f4db39d42ac83","agenda_item_id":null,"speaker_id":"spk_101612_tracey_harvey","speaker_confidence":0.95,"start_sec":5393.49,"end_sec":5395.07,"text":"But none of none of the money was spent on that.","topics_json":"[\"budget\"]","vector_id":"vec_seg_101612_225","created_at":"2026-10-31T08:06:37Z","speaker_name":"Tracey Harvey"},{"id":"seg_101612_226","meeting_id":"101612","media_asset_id":"med_101612_222f4db39d42ac83","agenda_item_id":null,"speaker_id":"off_andre_m_boggerty","speaker_confidence":0.95,"start_sec":5395.87,"end_sec":5397.63,"text":"Is it clear, do we know where the money was spent?","topics_json":"[\"budget\"]","vector_id":"vec_seg_101612_226","created_at":"2026-10-31T08:06:37Z","speaker_name":"Andre M. Boggerty"},{"id":"seg_101612_227","meeting_id":"101612","media_asset_id":"med_101612_222f4db39d42ac83","agenda_item_id":null,"speaker_id":"spk_101612_tracey_harvey","speaker_confidence":0.95,"start_sec":5397.93,"end_sec":5407.84,"text":"Yes, I have all the receipts. It was the showers, the kitchen, um the sprinkler system was the main thing. Um fire alarm and sprinkler system was the main expenses.","topics_json":"[\"budget\"]","vector_id":"vec_seg_101612_227","created_at":"2026-10-31T08:06:37Z","speaker_name":"Tracey Harvey"},{"id":"seg_101612_228","meeting_id":"101612","media_asset_id":"med_101612_222f4db39d42ac83","agenda_item_id":null,"speaker_id":"off_andre_m_boggerty","speaker_confidence":0.95,"start_sec":5408.51,"end_sec":5409.49,"text":"Okay. Thank you. I I yield.","topics_json":"[]","vector_id":"vec_seg_101612_228","created_at":"2026-10-31T08:06:37Z","speaker_name":"Andre M. Boggerty"},{"id":"seg_101612_229","meeting_id":"101612","media_asset_id":"med_101612_222f4db39d42ac83","agenda_item_id":null,"speaker_id":"off_fred_a_neil","speaker_confidence":0.95,"start_sec":5411.07,"end_sec":5415.08,"text":"Thank you. Which were renovations in fact that we had budgeted for, is that correct?","topics_json":"[\"budget\"]","vector_id":"vec_seg_101612_229","created_at":"2026-10-31T08:06:37Z","speaker_name":"Fred A. Neil"},{"id":"seg_101612_23","meeting_id":"101612","media_asset_id":"med_101612_222f4db39d42ac83","agenda_item_id":null,"speaker_id":"spk_101612_mr_wilson","speaker_confidence":0.95,"start_sec":1179.65,"end_sec":1275.45,"text":"can, we can maneuver the system right here in Dover, Delaware to help the individual, the returning citizens from prison, people on SNAP, and then the the folks that's on opiate, opioid, we have to work with them from a detox standpoint before they can enter a program of of to go on someone's job sites. Because the first thing on a job site is safety, especially when you talk about construction and automomechanics, is safety first. So we have to protect, I have to protect the employer's organization, his business, as well as protect the individuals that is applying for the job. So when you look at some of the individuals on the street here, they're not fit for job right now. They're fit for rehab, detox, and then you do have individuals that are ready for job training. So we will, we will tap into individuals where they at and help them where they at, because we are, we are are flexible, I should say. And in reference to Downtown Dover Partnership, yes, uh we have the support of Downtown Dover Partnership. That's how we was able to move forward with the farmers market. Um Todd and Diane, you know, they've been great. They've been great.","topics_json":"[\"business\",\"public_safety\"]","vector_id":"vec_seg_101612_23","created_at":"2026-10-31T08:06:36Z","speaker_name":null},{"id":"seg_101612_230","meeting_id":"101612","media_asset_id":"med_101612_222f4db39d42ac83","agenda_item_id":null,"speaker_id":"spk_101612_tracey_harvey","speaker_confidence":0.95,"start_sec":5415.51,"end_sec":5415.87,"text":"I'm sorry?","topics_json":"[]","vector_id":"vec_seg_101612_230","created_at":"2026-10-31T08:06:37Z","speaker_name":"Tracey Harvey"},{"id":"seg_101612_231","meeting_id":"101612","media_asset_id":"med_101612_222f4db39d42ac83","agenda_item_id":null,"speaker_id":"off_fred_a_neil","speaker_confidence":0.95,"start_sec":5415.99,"end_sec":5418.91,"text":"Uh those were renovations that we had put in and authorized, is that correct?","topics_json":"[\"budget\"]","vector_id":"vec_seg_101612_231","created_at":"2026-10-31T08:06:37Z","speaker_name":"Fred A. Neil"},{"id":"seg_101612_232","meeting_id":"101612","media_asset_id":"med_101612_222f4db39d42ac83","agenda_item_id":null,"speaker_id":"spk_101612_tracey_harvey","speaker_confidence":0.95,"start_sec":5419.09,"end_sec":5419.46,"text":"Yes.","topics_json":"[]","vector_id":"vec_seg_101612_232","created_at":"2026-10-31T08:06:37Z","speaker_name":"Tracey Harvey"},{"id":"seg_101612_233","meeting_id":"101612","media_asset_id":"med_101612_222f4db39d42ac83","agenda_item_id":null,"speaker_id":"off_fred_a_neil","speaker_confidence":0.95,"start_sec":5419.82,"end_sec":5421.4,"text":"All right. Thank you. Uh Dr. Sudler?","topics_json":"[]","vector_id":"vec_seg_101612_233","created_at":"2026-10-31T08:06:37Z","speaker_name":"Fred A. Neil"},{"id":"seg_101612_234","meeting_id":"101612","media_asset_id":"med_101612_222f4db39d42ac83","agenda_item_id":null,"speaker_id":"off_roy_sudler_jr","speaker_confidence":0.95,"start_sec":5422.32,"end_sec":5455.39,"text":"Thank you for recognizing me. So it sounds like um there was a lot of noncompliance. Um What What were they in compliance with, so what did they meet? What did they meet? What were they compliant with? Yeah. Correct.","topics_json":"[\"budget\"]","vector_id":"vec_seg_101612_234","created_at":"2026-10-31T08:06:37Z","speaker_name":"Roy Sudler, Jr."},{"id":"seg_101612_235","meeting_id":"101612","media_asset_id":"med_101612_222f4db39d42ac83","agenda_item_id":null,"speaker_id":"spk_101612_tracey_harvey","speaker_confidence":0.95,"start_sec":5455.46,"end_sec":5456.19,"text":"What were they compliant with?","topics_json":"[]","vector_id":"vec_seg_101612_235","created_at":"2026-10-31T08:06:37Z","speaker_name":"Tracey Harvey"},{"id":"seg_101612_236","meeting_id":"101612","media_asset_id":"med_101612_222f4db39d42ac83","agenda_item_id":null,"speaker_id":"off_roy_sudler_jr","speaker_confidence":0.95,"start_sec":5456.25,"end_sec":5457.1,"text":"Yeah. Correct.","topics_json":"[]","vector_id":"vec_seg_101612_236","created_at":"2026-10-31T08:06:37Z","speaker_name":"Roy Sudler, Jr."},{"id":"seg_101612_237","meeting_id":"101612","media_asset_id":"med_101612_222f4db39d42ac83","agenda_item_id":null,"speaker_id":"spk_101612_tracey_harvey","speaker_confidence":0.95,"start_sec":5457.46,"end_sec":5481.97,"text":"I can't think of anything. Timing, um the this the documentation was always uh I always had to work with, you know, Dr. Hodge to get the documentation up to where I needed it to be. Um a lot of times I was bombarded with dozens of pages of of stuff that I had to go through and sort through like it was I I honestly, I can't think of anything other than putting in the application. And their application for the '26 funding was over two weeks too late.","topics_json":"[\"budget\"]","vector_id":"vec_seg_101612_237","created_at":"2026-10-31T08:06:37Z","speaker_name":"Tracey Harvey"},{"id":"seg_101612_238","meeting_id":"101612","media_asset_id":"med_101612_222f4db39d42ac83","agenda_item_id":null,"speaker_id":"off_roy_sudler_jr","speaker_confidence":0.95,"start_sec":5482.76,"end_sec":5516.57,"text":"Sounds like it was very challenging. Do you encounter this kind of uh of uh pretty prevalent with these kinds of encounters with other organizations of similar that we provide money to? In other words, is this normal or abnormal?","topics_json":"[\"budget\"]","vector_id":"vec_seg_101612_238","created_at":"2026-10-31T08:06:37Z","speaker_name":"Roy Sudler, Jr."},{"id":"seg_101612_239","meeting_id":"101612","media_asset_id":"med_101612_222f4db39d42ac83","agenda_item_id":null,"speaker_id":"spk_101612_tracey_harvey","speaker_confidence":0.95,"start_sec":5518.15,"end_sec":5529.52,"text":"This is very abnormal. I do have like, you know, I will correct somebody when they send me something that's wrong. I'll I'll say, send me the right thing, and, you know, I'll tell them what they need. But, um in several instances, I've been I've repeatedly had to ask for some the same thing over, and I didn't get it still.","topics_json":"[\"budget\"]","vector_id":"vec_seg_101612_239","created_at":"2026-10-31T08:06:37Z","speaker_name":"Tracey Harvey"},{"id":"seg_101612_24","meeting_id":"101612","media_asset_id":"med_101612_222f4db39d42ac83","agenda_item_id":null,"speaker_id":"off_fred_a_neil","speaker_confidence":0.95,"start_sec":1275.65,"end_sec":1283.45,"text":"So have they offered you any financial help? Because uh this would be in their benefit and they also have deep pockets as well.","topics_json":"[\"budget\"]","vector_id":"vec_seg_101612_24","created_at":"2026-10-31T08:06:36Z","speaker_name":"Fred A. Neil"},{"id":"seg_101612_240","meeting_id":"101612","media_asset_id":"med_101612_222f4db39d42ac83","agenda_item_id":null,"speaker_id":"off_roy_sudler_jr","speaker_confidence":0.95,"start_sec":5530.25,"end_sec":5533.23,"text":"So, line of communication was was not uh was not effective?","topics_json":"[]","vector_id":"vec_seg_101612_240","created_at":"2026-10-31T08:06:37Z","speaker_name":"Roy Sudler, Jr."},{"id":"seg_101612_241","meeting_id":"101612","media_asset_id":"med_101612_222f4db39d42ac83","agenda_item_id":null,"speaker_id":"spk_101612_tracey_harvey","speaker_confidence":0.95,"start_sec":5533.53,"end_sec":5535.84,"text":"Correct. I just I never received responses a lot of times.","topics_json":"[]","vector_id":"vec_seg_101612_241","created_at":"2026-10-31T08:06:37Z","speaker_name":"Tracey Harvey"},{"id":"seg_101612_242","meeting_id":"101612","media_asset_id":"med_101612_222f4db39d42ac83","agenda_item_id":null,"speaker_id":"off_roy_sudler_jr","speaker_confidence":0.95,"start_sec":5536.94,"end_sec":5630.4,"text":"Okay. Because I'm uh I'm very concerned about that, um because city council has been depicted, as well as the mayor, as being lazy thinkers, if I'm if I can quote it right, \"lazy thinkers.\" That's that's the word. Referred to as lazy thinkers. And you know, at at some point, I was saying to myself, are we lazy thinkers? Or you know, you know, what's But then I'm hearing all this, and I'm like, wow. You know, is is this something that is because one person don't hold himself accountable for their lack of? And so, I'm very surprised to hear that, although we're referred to as lazy thinkers and not making an educated decision, um I don't know the other side is. We're going to hear, I'm sure we're going to hear from Pastor Hodge, um but it doesn't sound like um should that sounds like we should definitely approve a staff recommendation. Um So, my final statement, or the final um comments, um how was, or what was the criteria used to determine the merit of the lack of sustainability? And has that been vetted or analyzed by legal opinion by our solicitor?","topics_json":"[\"budget\"]","vector_id":"vec_seg_101612_242","created_at":"2026-10-31T08:06:37Z","speaker_name":"Roy Sudler, Jr."},{"id":"seg_101612_243","meeting_id":"101612","media_asset_id":"med_101612_222f4db39d42ac83","agenda_item_id":null,"speaker_id":"spk_101612_tracey_harvey","speaker_confidence":0.95,"start_sec":5640.31,"end_sec":5642.74,"text":"The lack of sustainability, I do not think that he","topics_json":"[\"budget\"]","vector_id":"vec_seg_101612_243","created_at":"2026-10-31T08:06:37Z","speaker_name":"Tracey Harvey"},{"id":"seg_101612_244","meeting_id":"101612","media_asset_id":"med_101612_222f4db39d42ac83","agenda_item_id":null,"speaker_id":"off_roy_sudler_jr","speaker_confidence":0.95,"start_sec":5642.92,"end_sec":5691.51,"text":"Yeah, so when you you said that um in your in your view that they could not sustain, it was based on all that you already have mentioned that, you know, they could not sustain, you know, there was a lack of sustainability um plan, in my view, it may not be in their opinion. But my question is what was the criteria, was all this the criteria, was there an additional criteria that you used to assess that they could not sustain or continue to do this um program? And was it and was it vetted through our city solicitor to make sure that, you know, um the justifications had legal merit?","topics_json":"[\"budget\"]","vector_id":"vec_seg_101612_244","created_at":"2026-10-31T08:06:37Z","speaker_name":"Roy Sudler, Jr."},{"id":"seg_101612_245","meeting_id":"101612","media_asset_id":"med_101612_222f4db39d42ac83","agenda_item_id":null,"speaker_id":"spk_101612_tracey_harvey","speaker_confidence":0.95,"start_sec":5692.54,"end_sec":5705.31,"text":"Uh I did bet it through the the city solicitor, and he did um you know, have his questions, but there was no information about the sustainability um issue if that's the case. I mean, I'm only going by what was told to me by Dr. Hodge that it was not sustainable.","topics_json":"[\"budget\"]","vector_id":"vec_seg_101612_245","created_at":"2026-10-31T08:06:37Z","speaker_name":"Tracey Harvey"},{"id":"seg_101612_246","meeting_id":"101612","media_asset_id":"med_101612_222f4db39d42ac83","agenda_item_id":null,"speaker_id":"off_roy_sudler_jr","speaker_confidence":0.95,"start_sec":5705.8,"end_sec":5727.32,"text":"Okay. So, go to meetings. Okay. So, thank you very much, and I know that throughout the year, you do a great job, um, first starting with with the clerk's office, your work has always been impeccable, so I don't question your your work through my questions. I just want to make sure that we dot all our I's, cross all our T's, and not have demonstrated being a lazy thinker, because I don't appreciate being called a lazy thinker.","topics_json":"[]","vector_id":"vec_seg_101612_246","created_at":"2026-10-31T08:06:37Z","speaker_name":"Roy Sudler, Jr."},{"id":"seg_101612_247","meeting_id":"101612","media_asset_id":"med_101612_222f4db39d42ac83","agenda_item_id":null,"speaker_id":"spk_101612_tracey_harvey","speaker_confidence":0.95,"start_sec":5717.96,"end_sec":5719.3,"text":"I I don't know where that came from.","topics_json":"[]","vector_id":"vec_seg_101612_247","created_at":"2026-10-31T08:06:37Z","speaker_name":"Tracey Harvey"},{"id":"seg_101612_248","meeting_id":"101612","media_asset_id":"med_101612_222f4db39d42ac83","agenda_item_id":null,"speaker_id":"off_roy_sudler_jr","speaker_confidence":0.95,"start_sec":5719.36,"end_sec":5727.57,"text":"It came from Pastor Hodge, like a CEO video um down to the sassiness, which which, you know, I waited to address that, so I'm addressing it now in my city council capacity. None of us up here are lazy thinkers. I yield.","topics_json":"[]","vector_id":"vec_seg_101612_248","created_at":"2026-10-31T08:06:37Z","speaker_name":"Roy Sudler, Jr."},{"id":"seg_101612_249","meeting_id":"101612","media_asset_id":"med_101612_222f4db39d42ac83","agenda_item_id":null,"speaker_id":"spk_101612_tracey_harvey","speaker_confidence":0.95,"start_sec":5752.62,"end_sec":5763.14,"text":"Um I I just want to add one more thing about what the uh Councilman Boggerty was asking about um with the booted and suited. Uh that would be a significant amendment to the action plan. It still will take time and and a lot of resources. So","topics_json":"[\"budget\"]","vector_id":"vec_seg_101612_249","created_at":"2026-10-31T08:06:37Z","speaker_name":"Tracey Harvey"},{"id":"seg_101612_25","meeting_id":"101612","media_asset_id":"med_101612_222f4db39d42ac83","agenda_item_id":null,"speaker_id":"spk_101612_mr_wilson","speaker_confidence":0.95,"start_sec":1283.65,"end_sec":1328.85,"text":"Well, Mr. Neil, as up to this point, no. It's more, you know, moral support and because of they working on the project that they're working on, uh they tell me they tight for funds. Now, what I just heard from Kenny Anderson, there are you know, they're they really pretty much um the funds you know they have they have more funds than what they was expecting to spend. So, hopefully they might have some money left over that they could help a program like this. I would hope so. So, I'm just going to leave it at that until the next meeting.","topics_json":"[\"budget\"]","vector_id":"vec_seg_101612_25","created_at":"2026-10-31T08:06:36Z","speaker_name":null},{"id":"seg_101612_250","meeting_id":"101612","media_asset_id":"med_101612_222f4db39d42ac83","agenda_item_id":null,"speaker_id":"off_andre_m_boggerty","speaker_confidence":0.95,"start_sec":5763.44,"end_sec":5767.39,"text":"Thank you. I just wanted to get to that all operational resources. Thank you. Thank you for allowing me that, too. Thank you, Council.","topics_json":"[]","vector_id":"vec_seg_101612_250","created_at":"2026-10-31T08:06:37Z","speaker_name":"Andre M. Boggerty"},{"id":"seg_101612_251","meeting_id":"101612","media_asset_id":"med_101612_222f4db39d42ac83","agenda_item_id":null,"speaker_id":"off_fred_a_neil","speaker_confidence":0.95,"start_sec":5767.64,"end_sec":5770.56,"text":"Thank you. Uh okay. Uh Mr. Mayor?","topics_json":"[]","vector_id":"vec_seg_101612_251","created_at":"2026-10-31T08:06:37Z","speaker_name":"Fred A. Neil"},{"id":"seg_101612_252","meeting_id":"101612","media_asset_id":"med_101612_222f4db39d42ac83","agenda_item_id":null,"speaker_id":"off_robin_r_christiansen","speaker_confidence":0.95,"start_sec":5771.04,"end_sec":5785.39,"text":"Thank you, Mr. President. Mrs. Harvey, just for um the infor- information points, are the standards for everyone across the board the same as is there a maintenance of standards across the board for all CDG CD whatever it is?","topics_json":"[\"budget\"]","vector_id":"vec_seg_101612_252","created_at":"2026-10-31T08:06:37Z","speaker_name":"Robin R. Christiansen"},{"id":"seg_101612_253","meeting_id":"101612","media_asset_id":"med_101612_222f4db39d42ac83","agenda_item_id":null,"speaker_id":"spk_101612_tracey_harvey","speaker_confidence":0.95,"start_sec":5784.6,"end_sec":5785.39,"text":"CDBG.","topics_json":"[]","vector_id":"vec_seg_101612_253","created_at":"2026-10-31T08:06:37Z","speaker_name":"Tracey Harvey"},{"id":"seg_101612_254","meeting_id":"101612","media_asset_id":"med_101612_222f4db39d42ac83","agenda_item_id":null,"speaker_id":"off_robin_r_christiansen","speaker_confidence":0.95,"start_sec":5785.45,"end_sec":5786.73,"text":"Yeah. Say that 10 times real fast.","topics_json":"[]","vector_id":"vec_seg_101612_254","created_at":"2026-10-31T08:06:37Z","speaker_name":"Robin R. Christiansen"},{"id":"seg_101612_255","meeting_id":"101612","media_asset_id":"med_101612_222f4db39d42ac83","agenda_item_id":null,"speaker_id":"off_robin_r_christiansen","speaker_confidence":0.95,"start_sec":5787.1,"end_sec":5816.04,"text":"Um Across the board, are the are the requirements the same? The reporting, the accountability across the board?","topics_json":"[\"budget\"]","vector_id":"vec_seg_101612_255","created_at":"2026-10-31T08:06:37Z","speaker_name":"Robin R. Christiansen"},{"id":"seg_101612_256","meeting_id":"101612","media_asset_id":"med_101612_222f4db39d42ac83","agenda_item_id":null,"speaker_id":"spk_101612_tracey_harvey","speaker_confidence":0.95,"start_sec":5816.16,"end_sec":5816.59,"text":"Yes.","topics_json":"[]","vector_id":"vec_seg_101612_256","created_at":"2026-10-31T08:06:37Z","speaker_name":"Tracey Harvey"},{"id":"seg_101612_257","meeting_id":"101612","media_asset_id":"med_101612_222f4db39d42ac83","agenda_item_id":null,"speaker_id":"off_robin_r_christiansen","speaker_confidence":0.95,"start_sec":5817.01,"end_sec":5824.01,"text":"And any other applicant that would come along, those requirements would be the same across the board, the time tables, um the information that was requested?","topics_json":"[\"budget\"]","vector_id":"vec_seg_101612_257","created_at":"2026-10-31T08:06:37Z","speaker_name":"Robin R. Christiansen"},{"id":"seg_101612_258","meeting_id":"101612","media_asset_id":"med_101612_222f4db39d42ac83","agenda_item_id":null,"speaker_id":"spk_101612_tracey_harvey","speaker_confidence":0.95,"start_sec":5820.54,"end_sec":5820.9,"text":"The same work.","topics_json":"[]","vector_id":"vec_seg_101612_258","created_at":"2026-10-31T08:06:37Z","speaker_name":"Tracey Harvey"},{"id":"seg_101612_259","meeting_id":"101612","media_asset_id":"med_101612_222f4db39d42ac83","agenda_item_id":null,"speaker_id":"spk_101612_tracey_harvey","speaker_confidence":0.95,"start_sec":5824.37,"end_sec":5846.2,"text":"Yes. Actually, the timetable is something I didn't mention, but um there was in the 2025 CDBG agreement, which was executed on 20 on September 24th with a performance deadline of June 30th, 2026, the application stated that the work would take no longer than 3 months. And that was one of my issues was that they didn't even get it started before they did expire. But yes, they all have the same requirements, whatever the agreement states.","topics_json":"[\"budget\"]","vector_id":"vec_seg_101612_259","created_at":"2026-10-31T08:06:37Z","speaker_name":"Tracey Harvey"},{"id":"seg_101612_26","meeting_id":"101612","media_asset_id":"med_101612_222f4db39d42ac83","agenda_item_id":null,"speaker_id":"off_fred_a_neil","speaker_confidence":0.95,"start_sec":1328.95,"end_sec":1378.45,"text":"All right. Why are you laughing for the same reason I'm laughing? Uh, I would re- I would also suggest to you, and this uh this is a good source uh for you to uh to seek out. I think that uh, once again, those opioid monies would help you with people who need rehabilitation to put into your programs, but also be aware that the uh Dover Interfaith uh Ministers Association uh, along with Senator Paradee, are offering an expungement program. And I apologize that I don't have the date in front of me, but, you know, I think that if you were able to partner with them, uh Mr. Wilson, uh your program uh would be available to people who actually and genuinely could use the help.","topics_json":"[\"public_safety\",\"budget\"]","vector_id":"vec_seg_101612_26","created_at":"2026-10-31T08:06:36Z","speaker_name":"Fred A. Neil"},{"id":"seg_101612_260","meeting_id":"101612","media_asset_id":"med_101612_222f4db39d42ac83","agenda_item_id":null,"speaker_id":"off_robin_r_christiansen","speaker_confidence":0.95,"start_sec":5846.99,"end_sec":5847.96,"text":"And this is public information?","topics_json":"[]","vector_id":"vec_seg_101612_260","created_at":"2026-10-31T08:06:37Z","speaker_name":"Robin R. Christiansen"},{"id":"seg_101612_261","meeting_id":"101612","media_asset_id":"med_101612_222f4db39d42ac83","agenda_item_id":null,"speaker_id":"spk_101612_tracey_harvey","speaker_confidence":0.95,"start_sec":5848.33,"end_sec":5848.81,"text":"Yes.","topics_json":"[]","vector_id":"vec_seg_101612_261","created_at":"2026-10-31T08:06:37Z","speaker_name":"Tracey Harvey"},{"id":"seg_101612_262","meeting_id":"101612","media_asset_id":"med_101612_222f4db39d42ac83","agenda_item_id":null,"speaker_id":"off_robin_r_christiansen","speaker_confidence":0.95,"start_sec":5849.54,"end_sec":5874.41,"text":"Thank you. Councilman Lewis.","topics_json":"[]","vector_id":"vec_seg_101612_262","created_at":"2026-10-31T08:06:37Z","speaker_name":"Robin R. Christiansen"},{"id":"seg_101612_263","meeting_id":"101612","media_asset_id":"med_101612_222f4db39d42ac83","agenda_item_id":null,"speaker_id":"off_fred_a_neil","speaker_confidence":0.95,"start_sec":5874.9,"end_sec":5877.15,"text":"Thank you. Uh Councilman Lewis?","topics_json":"[]","vector_id":"vec_seg_101612_263","created_at":"2026-10-31T08:06:37Z","speaker_name":"Fred A. Neil"},{"id":"seg_101612_264","meeting_id":"101612","media_asset_id":"med_101612_222f4db39d42ac83","agenda_item_id":null,"speaker_id":"off_fred_a_neil","speaker_confidence":0.95,"start_sec":5881.22,"end_sec":5882.2,"text":"Wait. Did you wave?","topics_json":"[]","vector_id":"vec_seg_101612_264","created_at":"2026-10-31T08:06:37Z","speaker_name":"Fred A. Neil"},{"id":"seg_101612_265","meeting_id":"101612","media_asset_id":"med_101612_222f4db39d42ac83","agenda_item_id":null,"speaker_id":"off_fred_a_neil","speaker_confidence":0.95,"start_sec":5883.84,"end_sec":5885.6,"text":"Okay. I can't hear you, sir.","topics_json":"[]","vector_id":"vec_seg_101612_265","created_at":"2026-10-31T08:06:37Z","speaker_name":"Fred A. Neil"},{"id":"seg_101612_266","meeting_id":"101612","media_asset_id":"med_101612_222f4db39d42ac83","agenda_item_id":null,"speaker_id":"off_fred_a_neil","speaker_confidence":0.95,"start_sec":5888.28,"end_sec":5889.07,"text":"Uh you're muted.","topics_json":"[]","vector_id":"vec_seg_101612_266","created_at":"2026-10-31T08:06:37Z","speaker_name":"Fred A. Neil"},{"id":"seg_101612_267","meeting_id":"101612","media_asset_id":"med_101612_222f4db39d42ac83","agenda_item_id":null,"speaker_id":"off_brian_e_lewis","speaker_confidence":0.95,"start_sec":5889.13,"end_sec":5889.92,"text":"Can you hear me now?","topics_json":"[]","vector_id":"vec_seg_101612_267","created_at":"2026-10-31T08:06:37Z","speaker_name":"Brian E. Lewis"},{"id":"seg_101612_268","meeting_id":"101612","media_asset_id":"med_101612_222f4db39d42ac83","agenda_item_id":null,"speaker_id":"off_fred_a_neil","speaker_confidence":0.95,"start_sec":5889.92,"end_sec":5891.5,"text":"Now we can hear you. We can, you're unmuted, sir.","topics_json":"[]","vector_id":"vec_seg_101612_268","created_at":"2026-10-31T08:06:37Z","speaker_name":"Fred A. Neil"},{"id":"seg_101612_269","meeting_id":"101612","media_asset_id":"med_101612_222f4db39d42ac83","agenda_item_id":null,"speaker_id":"off_brian_e_lewis","speaker_confidence":0.95,"start_sec":5891.74,"end_sec":5898.25,"text":"I was I would just like to say that, um, you know, I find it very um disheartening and uh disappointing that disappointing that um they were not in compliance,","topics_json":"[\"budget\"]","vector_id":"vec_seg_101612_269","created_at":"2026-10-31T08:06:37Z","speaker_name":"Brian E. Lewis"},{"id":"seg_101612_27","meeting_id":"101612","media_asset_id":"med_101612_222f4db39d42ac83","agenda_item_id":null,"speaker_id":"spk_101612_mr_wilson","speaker_confidence":0.95,"start_sec":1378.55,"end_sec":1379.75,"text":"Thank you. I concur with you 100%.","topics_json":"[]","vector_id":"vec_seg_101612_27","created_at":"2026-10-31T08:06:36Z","speaker_name":null},{"id":"seg_101612_270","meeting_id":"101612","media_asset_id":"med_101612_222f4db39d42ac83","agenda_item_id":null,"speaker_id":"spk_101612_public_commenter","speaker_confidence":0.9,"start_sec":5898.25,"end_sec":5910.55,"text":"um, you know, for, um, somebody that wanted the, uh, grant money so bad, not to follow the guidelines and the rules is is appalling, and I would just like to put that into the record. Thank you.","topics_json":"[\"budget\"]","vector_id":"vec_seg_101612_270","created_at":"2026-10-31T08:06:37Z","speaker_name":null},{"id":"seg_101612_271","meeting_id":"101612","media_asset_id":"med_101612_222f4db39d42ac83","agenda_item_id":null,"speaker_id":"off_roy_sudler_jr","speaker_confidence":1,"start_sec":5910.55,"end_sec":5921.75,"text":"Thank you. Now, now we will, uh, first hear from the applicant. Uh, Councilwoman, thank you.","topics_json":"[]","vector_id":"vec_seg_101612_271","created_at":"2026-10-31T08:06:37Z","speaker_name":"Roy Sudler, Jr."},{"id":"seg_101612_272","meeting_id":"101612","media_asset_id":"med_101612_222f4db39d42ac83","agenda_item_id":null,"speaker_id":"off_tricia_k_arndt","speaker_confidence":1,"start_sec":5921.75,"end_sec":5922.75,"text":"Point of order, Mr. Chair.","topics_json":"[]","vector_id":"vec_seg_101612_272","created_at":"2026-10-31T08:06:37Z","speaker_name":"Tricia K. Arndt"},{"id":"seg_101612_273","meeting_id":"101612","media_asset_id":"med_101612_222f4db39d42ac83","agenda_item_id":null,"speaker_id":"off_roy_sudler_jr","speaker_confidence":1,"start_sec":5922.75,"end_sec":5926.15,"text":"What's that? Councilwoman. Councilwoman, do you have another question?","topics_json":"[]","vector_id":"vec_seg_101612_273","created_at":"2026-10-31T08:06:37Z","speaker_name":"Roy Sudler, Jr."},{"id":"seg_101612_274","meeting_id":"101612","media_asset_id":"med_101612_222f4db39d42ac83","agenda_item_id":null,"speaker_id":"off_tricia_k_arndt","speaker_confidence":1,"start_sec":5926.15,"end_sec":5935.65,"text":"Uh, just I was going to suggest we hear from the applicant, but then also point out that we no longer have a quorum. We only have five, and we need six, so the item will have to be deferred.","topics_json":"[]","vector_id":"vec_seg_101612_274","created_at":"2026-10-31T08:06:37Z","speaker_name":"Tricia K. Arndt"},{"id":"seg_101612_275","meeting_id":"101612","media_asset_id":"med_101612_222f4db39d42ac83","agenda_item_id":null,"speaker_id":"off_roy_sudler_jr","speaker_confidence":1,"start_sec":5935.65,"end_sec":5963.15,"text":"You You are correct. Um, we do have technically a quorum, but we do not have a quorum to pass the vote, which requires six. Um, you are absolutely correct. Um, but the, um, let's hear from the applicant, cuz we want to get their response on the record, and then, uh, we will recognize that it's a, uh, it's a quorum call and, uh, adjourn it.","topics_json":"[]","vector_id":"vec_seg_101612_275","created_at":"2026-10-31T08:06:37Z","speaker_name":"Roy Sudler, Jr."},{"id":"seg_101612_276","meeting_id":"101612","media_asset_id":"med_101612_222f4db39d42ac83","agenda_item_id":null,"speaker_id":"spk_101612_applicant_representative","speaker_confidence":0.9,"start_sec":5971.35,"end_sec":6003.15,"text":"I'll I'll step out of my normal propriety to say she is really smart, and she's a terrific asset to the city. As a taxpayer in Dover, I'm glad you have her looking after the money, and I'm glad that you all, as a council, are making sure that folks are doing what they're supposed to do with the money, and that they have proper accounting practices, proper financial financial control policies, etc. So I'm all for it.","topics_json":"[\"budget\"]","vector_id":"vec_seg_101612_276","created_at":"2026-10-31T08:06:37Z","speaker_name":null},{"id":"seg_101612_277","meeting_id":"101612","media_asset_id":"med_101612_222f4db39d42ac83","agenda_item_id":null,"speaker_id":"spk_101612_applicant_representative","speaker_confidence":0.9,"start_sec":6003.95,"end_sec":6015.45,"text":"Pardon me. And, uh, I don't mind. I think you should grill your subrecipients and make darn sure that everything is being done properly.","topics_json":"[\"budget\"]","vector_id":"vec_seg_101612_277","created_at":"2026-10-31T08:06:37Z","speaker_name":null},{"id":"seg_101612_278","meeting_id":"101612","media_asset_id":"med_101612_222f4db39d42ac83","agenda_item_id":null,"speaker_id":"spk_101612_applicant_representative","speaker_confidence":0.9,"start_sec":6015.45,"end_sec":6038.95,"text":"Uh, that's part A. Now part B is I feel blindsided, because, in fact, the last I recall hearing from Ms. O'Brien In fact, we got We can't have been that terrible, because we got reimbursement from some of that, uh, from some some of that, uh, block grant money for We didn't We We We must have got something. We must have got something right.","topics_json":"[\"budget\"]","vector_id":"vec_seg_101612_278","created_at":"2026-10-31T08:06:37Z","speaker_name":null},{"id":"seg_101612_279","meeting_id":"101612","media_asset_id":"med_101612_222f4db39d42ac83","agenda_item_id":null,"speaker_id":"spk_101612_applicant_representative","speaker_confidence":0.9,"start_sec":6039.25,"end_sec":6083.25,"text":"I can tell you, and this may not matter to some folks, but I don't lie. Even if it gets me in trouble, I don't lie. And I can tell you that there we have not received one penny of federal money through the city. We've never received any city money. We haven't received one penny of ARPA money or, uh, uh, block grant money that was not spent appropriately, correctly. It would not have been reimbursed by the city if we had not provided the, uh, receipts in a timely fashion.","topics_json":"[\"budget\"]","vector_id":"vec_seg_101612_279","created_at":"2026-10-31T08:06:37Z","speaker_name":null},{"id":"seg_101612_28","meeting_id":"101612","media_asset_id":"med_101612_222f4db39d42ac83","agenda_item_id":null,"speaker_id":"off_fred_a_neil","speaker_confidence":0.95,"start_sec":1379.85,"end_sec":1381.15,"text":"I yield, Mr. President.","topics_json":"[]","vector_id":"vec_seg_101612_28","created_at":"2026-10-31T08:06:36Z","speaker_name":"Fred A. Neil"},{"id":"seg_101612_280","meeting_id":"101612","media_asset_id":"med_101612_222f4db39d42ac83","agenda_item_id":null,"speaker_id":"spk_101612_applicant_representative","speaker_confidence":0.9,"start_sec":6084.15,"end_sec":6124.95,"text":"And, uh, any city, representative of the city, can come down and do a site visit and look to see. In fact, um, so this is the timeline. We wrote the proposal. You liked it. You approved it. The mayor signed it in September. Signed the contract. We started work right away. Actually, uh, uh, Tracy, this was when Tracy was still with you. And, uh, Tracy did a site visit with Ms. O'Brien. They both came in. And, uh, Tracy, at least, said she was really impressed with what what we were doing. I thought Ms. O'Brien was, too.","topics_json":"[\"budget\"]","vector_id":"vec_seg_101612_280","created_at":"2026-10-31T08:06:37Z","speaker_name":null},{"id":"seg_101612_281","meeting_id":"101612","media_asset_id":"med_101612_222f4db39d42ac83","agenda_item_id":null,"speaker_id":"spk_101612_applicant_representative","speaker_confidence":0.9,"start_sec":6124.95,"end_sec":6144.15,"text":"Tracy said, \"Oh, look, you got some peeling paint. You might need to have lead paint done, but you can pay for that with CDBG, okay?\" So we hired, uh uh this was extremely timely. We We hired Harvard Environmental to do the lead paint testing. It did. It said, \"Yes, it's positive. You need remediation.\" So then we paid for the remediation.","topics_json":"[\"budget\"]","vector_id":"vec_seg_101612_281","created_at":"2026-10-31T08:06:37Z","speaker_name":null},{"id":"seg_101612_282","meeting_id":"101612","media_asset_id":"med_101612_222f4db39d42ac83","agenda_item_id":null,"speaker_id":"spk_101612_applicant_representative","speaker_confidence":0.9,"start_sec":6145.25,"end_sec":6174.75,"text":"And then, later, there was a reinspection to make sure there was no lead paint. We did it. All that was done in a timely fashion. Submit Receipts were submitted. The report was submitted. And then, I think, Ms. Harvey was still with us, uh either Ms. Harvey or Ms. O'Brien said, \"Oh uh-oh, you need a tier one environmental review, okay?\" So we hired a company, uh a we hired the company that that the city suggested that that did a tier one environmental review. Of course, this took another month or so, and it came back, all right.","topics_json":"[\"budget\"]","vector_id":"vec_seg_101612_282","created_at":"2026-10-31T08:06:37Z","speaker_name":null},{"id":"seg_101612_283","meeting_id":"101612","media_asset_id":"med_101612_222f4db39d42ac83","agenda_item_id":null,"speaker_id":"spk_101612_applicant_representative","speaker_confidence":0.9,"start_sec":6175.25,"end_sec":6217.65,"text":"So we submitted that receipt, or, actually, the report went directly to the city in that case. So we did everything we were supposed And then we uh oh, by the way, during the site visit, uh, when Ms. O'Brien and and Ms. Harvey came down and looked at the space that was to be remodeled, and, uh, Ms. Harvey said Now, she was still the legal representative She was still representing the city. Yes, she was still an employee of the city, the community development manager of the city, correct? She said, \"You do not need three bids, because the amount is under $50,000.\"","topics_json":"[\"budget\"]","vector_id":"vec_seg_101612_283","created_at":"2026-10-31T08:06:37Z","speaker_name":null},{"id":"seg_101612_284","meeting_id":"101612","media_asset_id":"med_101612_222f4db39d42ac83","agenda_item_id":null,"speaker_id":"spk_101612_applicant_representative","speaker_confidence":0.9,"start_sec":6218.35,"end_sec":6261.05,"text":"The city employee told me that. So what we did was we got We actually had three people look at it. One person looked at it and said, \"No, this is too small. We're not gonna mess with this. My daughter can do it.\" So his daughter came and did and gave us a bid. And the But we weren't satisfy We didn't feel confident with the people she brought. So I called the Downtown Dover Partnership and said, \"Do you have anybody you recommend?\" \"Yes.\" Downtown Dover Partnership recommended a contractor. We signed a contract with the contractor and paid for the uh for the first phase, which was the demolition of the existing bowling alley.","topics_json":"[\"budget\",\"business\"]","vector_id":"vec_seg_101612_284","created_at":"2026-10-31T08:06:37Z","speaker_name":null},{"id":"seg_101612_285","meeting_id":"101612","media_asset_id":"med_101612_222f4db39d42ac83","agenda_item_id":null,"speaker_id":"spk_101612_applicant_representative","speaker_confidence":0.9,"start_sec":6261.55,"end_sec":6312.45,"text":"It was quite a huge There were several layers of 100-year-old bowling alley, and it was It took quite a bit. She completed that. We submitted the cancelled check to the city for reimbursement, and it took a little while, but, finally, Ms. O'Brien said, \"Well, I'm not sure if you're gonna get all of that.\" And she said, \"Because there's been such a loud public outcry against you.\" That was what she said on the phone. That loud public outcry, I imagine, was those 17 form letters that you all received in in, uh, January. And and I think we've already demonstrated that almost none of that has anything to do with us. It was complaints about crime downtown.","topics_json":"[\"budget\",\"public_safety\"]","vector_id":"vec_seg_101612_285","created_at":"2026-10-31T08:06:37Z","speaker_name":null},{"id":"seg_101612_286","meeting_id":"101612","media_asset_id":"med_101612_222f4db39d42ac83","agenda_item_id":null,"speaker_id":"spk_101612_applicant_representative","speaker_confidence":0.9,"start_sec":6312.45,"end_sec":6331.25,"text":"But, uh, we certainly have quite a large public outcry, public, uh, cry in our favor. We'll see. Um,","topics_json":"[]","vector_id":"vec_seg_101612_286","created_at":"2026-10-31T08:06:37Z","speaker_name":null},{"id":"seg_101612_287","meeting_id":"101612","media_asset_id":"med_101612_222f4db39d42ac83","agenda_item_id":null,"speaker_id":"spk_101612_applicant_representative","speaker_confidence":0.9,"start_sec":6336.15,"end_sec":6352.65,"text":"the 40,000 from past Yes, we used that. We hired Becker Morgan to design the plans for this new Center for Community Development. They're expensive. We've got the receipts to prove it. There is nothing we have ever done, even a penny,","topics_json":"[\"budget\"]","vector_id":"vec_seg_101612_287","created_at":"2026-10-31T08:06:37Z","speaker_name":null},{"id":"seg_101612_288","meeting_id":"101612","media_asset_id":"med_101612_222f4db39d42ac83","agenda_item_id":null,"speaker_id":"spk_101612_applicant_representative","speaker_confidence":0.9,"start_sec":6352.65,"end_sec":6368.35,"text":"which is not accounted for, which was not done in a timely fashion, which cannot be proven today if you audit us. We have not been non-compliant with a single item, not one item.","topics_json":"[\"budget\"]","vector_id":"vec_seg_101612_288","created_at":"2026-10-31T08:06:37Z","speaker_name":null},{"id":"seg_101612_289","meeting_id":"101612","media_asset_id":"med_101612_222f4db39d42ac83","agenda_item_id":null,"speaker_id":"spk_101612_applicant_representative","speaker_confidence":0.9,"start_sec":6368.35,"end_sec":6404.45,"text":"Yes, when we started to submit receipts for the programmatic part of the block grant and we also submitted receipts for the ARPA money that we the third round of ARPA money we received, yes, there were many times, boy, she works so hard. There must have been really hard for you. All these documents and there were many back-and-forths in which she said, \"This isn't good enough. I need more.\" Okay, so we sent more. \"Nope, that's not enough. We need more.\" So we sent more.","topics_json":"[\"budget\"]","vector_id":"vec_seg_101612_289","created_at":"2026-10-31T08:06:37Z","speaker_name":null},{"id":"seg_101612_29","meeting_id":"101612","media_asset_id":"med_101612_222f4db39d42ac83","agenda_item_id":null,"speaker_id":"off_david_l_anderson","speaker_confidence":0.95,"start_sec":1381.35,"end_sec":1391.65,"text":"All right. Thank you. Uh, Councilman Rocha. Council- and and uh, did you have uh something you wanted to quickly announce before uh Councilman Boggerty?","topics_json":"[]","vector_id":"vec_seg_101612_29","created_at":"2026-10-31T08:06:36Z","speaker_name":"David L. Anderson"},{"id":"seg_101612_290","meeting_id":"101612","media_asset_id":"med_101612_222f4db39d42ac83","agenda_item_id":null,"speaker_id":"spk_101612_applicant_representative","speaker_confidence":0.9,"start_sec":6405.05,"end_sec":6428.25,"text":"Uh, so we complied with everything. Yes, it was a timely process. And, uh, as I said to her in the email, I said, \"Well, you are really the hardest-working person in the city, because you must be bombarded with so much stuff.\" Uh, we supplied everything that was required. We, in the past, have been compliant. And as you know how city money works, even the pass-through money,","topics_json":"[\"budget\"]","vector_id":"vec_seg_101612_290","created_at":"2026-10-31T08:06:37Z","speaker_name":null},{"id":"seg_101612_291","meeting_id":"101612","media_asset_id":"med_101612_222f4db39d42ac83","agenda_item_id":null,"speaker_id":"spk_101612_applicant_representative","speaker_confidence":0.9,"start_sec":6428.85,"end_sec":6447.05,"text":"we can't get a penny until we've proven to you that we've spent it appropriately. So to say that, uh, the money we got four years ago we didn't spend properly or there was something un- non-compliant, it it flies in the face of common sense and reason.","topics_json":"[\"budget\"]","vector_id":"vec_seg_101612_291","created_at":"2026-10-31T08:06:37Z","speaker_name":null},{"id":"seg_101612_292","meeting_id":"101612","media_asset_id":"med_101612_222f4db39d42ac83","agenda_item_id":null,"speaker_id":"spk_101612_applicant_representative","speaker_confidence":0.9,"start_sec":6447.75,"end_sec":6468.85,"text":"You would You would have told us four years ago if you were unsatisfied with that. So, uh, we are asking We spent the money under contract and according to the terms, uh,","topics_json":"[\"budget\"]","vector_id":"vec_seg_101612_292","created_at":"2026-10-31T08:06:37Z","speaker_name":null},{"id":"seg_101612_293","meeting_id":"101612","media_asset_id":"med_101612_222f4db39d42ac83","agenda_item_id":null,"speaker_id":"spk_101612_applicant_representative","speaker_confidence":0.9,"start_sec":6471.95,"end_sec":6504.15,"text":"and we expect reimbursement. And if there's a single item that you can prove has been not according to procedure or not according to the federal the CFR, then, by all means, it is your responsibility to withhold the money. But, uh, vague hints is not sufficient.","topics_json":"[\"budget\"]","vector_id":"vec_seg_101612_293","created_at":"2026-10-31T08:06:37Z","speaker_name":null},{"id":"seg_101612_294","meeting_id":"101612","media_asset_id":"med_101612_222f4db39d42ac83","agenda_item_id":null,"speaker_id":"spk_101612_applicant_representative","speaker_confidence":0.9,"start_sec":6505.95,"end_sec":6546.95,"text":"So, uh, I ask you to fulfill your obligation, reimburse us the rest of the money for which we that we already spent according to the agreements. And, uh, let us And, by the way, it is very sustainable. Howard Stafford, as you know, is ready to start that workforce development program as as soon as we build the area. And we got a promise We're not going to say the name. Don't even make me say who it was. But we got a promise this afternoon for 350,000 from someone else. We've got 100,000 from By the way, she was talking about private funding. Yeah, we got 100,000 of DuPont money, and the DuPonts do not give money to anyone who is not really solid.","topics_json":"[\"budget\"]","vector_id":"vec_seg_101612_294","created_at":"2026-10-31T08:06:37Z","speaker_name":null},{"id":"seg_101612_295","meeting_id":"101612","media_asset_id":"med_101612_222f4db39d42ac83","agenda_item_id":null,"speaker_id":"spk_101612_applicant_representative","speaker_confidence":0.9,"start_sec":6547.45,"end_sec":6566.95,"text":"So, uh uh you know, there's plenty of money to continue the program as soon as we can get this physical space, uh, built according to Becker Morgan designs and according to the contract. Thank you.","topics_json":"[\"budget\"]","vector_id":"vec_seg_101612_295","created_at":"2026-10-31T08:06:37Z","speaker_name":null},{"id":"seg_101612_296","meeting_id":"101612","media_asset_id":"med_101612_222f4db39d42ac83","agenda_item_id":null,"speaker_id":"off_roy_sudler_jr","speaker_confidence":1,"start_sec":6567.75,"end_sec":6572.55,"text":"Thank you. Uh, questions? Uh, Councilman Boggerty and Councilwoman Arndt.","topics_json":"[]","vector_id":"vec_seg_101612_296","created_at":"2026-10-31T08:06:37Z","speaker_name":"Roy Sudler, Jr."},{"id":"seg_101612_297","meeting_id":"101612","media_asset_id":"med_101612_222f4db39d42ac83","agenda_item_id":null,"speaker_id":"off_andre_m_boggerty","speaker_confidence":1,"start_sec":6572.85,"end_sec":6599.55,"text":"Thank you. Um, I will have to say, not even being the one, but I I I think you gave some very specifics. So, that it was detailed to me. My other question is, so you have work done, have all your contractors been paid already? Or do you have outstanding contracts that are required to be paid that's dependent on this or or have have you met your other obligations?","topics_json":"[\"budget\"]","vector_id":"vec_seg_101612_297","created_at":"2026-10-31T08:06:37Z","speaker_name":"Andre M. Boggerty"},{"id":"seg_101612_298","meeting_id":"101612","media_asset_id":"med_101612_222f4db39d42ac83","agenda_item_id":null,"speaker_id":"spk_101612_applicant_representative","speaker_confidence":0.9,"start_sec":6600.05,"end_sec":6633.25,"text":"The The contract that we signed with the contractor who was recommended by Downtown Dover Partnership, uh, is that work is stopped, because she can't She won't do anymore unless she gets paid. And so, uh, the city withholding this money from us has basically stopped that. So when Ms. O'Brien says, \"Well, you haven't given us, uh, um, updates,\" well, there's no update. No work has happened, uh, since we did the demolitions, submitted the receipt for reimbursement, and and reimbursement has not been forthcoming.","topics_json":"[\"budget\"]","vector_id":"vec_seg_101612_298","created_at":"2026-10-31T08:06:37Z","speaker_name":null},{"id":"seg_101612_299","meeting_id":"101612","media_asset_id":"med_101612_222f4db39d42ac83","agenda_item_id":null,"speaker_id":"off_andre_m_boggerty","speaker_confidence":1,"start_sec":6633.95,"end_sec":6665.65,"text":"So So you you by your own and pardon pardon. Uh, they're they're much highly more, you know, more educated in my little masters degree and so. Um, my question is, at the very basic level, you indicated that you you received some substantial funding from uh from other areas. Um, did you just mention DuPont and then 200 or 300 so other money from somewhere else, and then we discuss some other funding.","topics_json":"[\"budget\"]","vector_id":"vec_seg_101612_299","created_at":"2026-10-31T08:06:37Z","speaker_name":"Andre M. Boggerty"},{"id":"seg_101612_3","meeting_id":"101612","media_asset_id":"med_101612_222f4db39d42ac83","agenda_item_id":null,"speaker_id":"off_gerald_l_rocha_sr","speaker_confidence":0.95,"start_sec":22.27,"end_sec":23.06,"text":"Motion second.","topics_json":"[]","vector_id":"vec_seg_101612_3","created_at":"2026-10-31T08:06:36Z","speaker_name":"Gerald L. Rocha, Sr."},{"id":"seg_101612_30","meeting_id":"101612","media_asset_id":"med_101612_222f4db39d42ac83","agenda_item_id":null,"speaker_id":"off_gerald_l_rocha_sr","speaker_confidence":0.95,"start_sec":1391.85,"end_sec":1409.05,"text":"Yes, if I may. Uh uh thank you. Uh, that expungement program is October 21st. Uh, it's going to uh be at the Dover Hopes, 103 North Bradford Street. I'll provide it to the City Clerk's office and uh for distribution. And thank you.","topics_json":"[\"public_safety\"]","vector_id":"vec_seg_101612_30","created_at":"2026-10-31T08:06:36Z","speaker_name":"Gerald L. Rocha, Sr."},{"id":"seg_101612_300","meeting_id":"101612","media_asset_id":"med_101612_222f4db39d42ac83","agenda_item_id":null,"speaker_id":"off_andre_m_boggerty","speaker_confidence":1,"start_sec":6665.95,"end_sec":6686.15,"text":"Um, so so why is it that asset which amounts to what which which doesn't amount to a significant portion of the pie Uh, it is a good portion of the pie, but not significant. Why can't you continue that work until with the other funding?","topics_json":"[\"budget\"]","vector_id":"vec_seg_101612_300","created_at":"2026-10-31T08:06:37Z","speaker_name":"Andre M. Boggerty"},{"id":"seg_101612_301","meeting_id":"101612","media_asset_id":"med_101612_222f4db39d42ac83","agenda_item_id":null,"speaker_id":"spk_101612_applicant_representative","speaker_confidence":0.9,"start_sec":6687.15,"end_sec":6695.05,"text":"We will once that once we get that 350. But, uh uh but the city owes us $30,000.","topics_json":"[\"budget\"]","vector_id":"vec_seg_101612_301","created_at":"2026-10-31T08:06:37Z","speaker_name":null},{"id":"seg_101612_302","meeting_id":"101612","media_asset_id":"med_101612_222f4db39d42ac83","agenda_item_id":null,"speaker_id":"off_andre_m_boggerty","speaker_confidence":1,"start_sec":6695.05,"end_sec":6696.35,"text":"We owe you?","topics_json":"[\"budget\"]","vector_id":"vec_seg_101612_302","created_at":"2026-10-31T08:06:37Z","speaker_name":"Andre M. Boggerty"},{"id":"seg_101612_303","meeting_id":"101612","media_asset_id":"med_101612_222f4db39d42ac83","agenda_item_id":null,"speaker_id":"spk_101612_applicant_representative","speaker_confidence":0.9,"start_sec":6696.45,"end_sec":6732.25,"text":"You contracted with us, and and we fulfilled the we fulfilled every bit of our of our, uh, requirements. So when the city reimburses us for that money, then we'll go on. I I think what you're asking is this, that, uh, what if the city says no? We're going to renege on our contract. We're not going to reimburse you for that money. Okay. We'll do it. We'll we'll continue with the project, uh, as as we just said. We have other funding.","topics_json":"[\"budget\"]","vector_id":"vec_seg_101612_303","created_at":"2026-10-31T08:06:37Z","speaker_name":null},{"id":"seg_101612_304","meeting_id":"101612","media_asset_id":"med_101612_222f4db39d42ac83","agenda_item_id":null,"speaker_id":"spk_101612_applicant_representative","speaker_confidence":0.9,"start_sec":6733.15,"end_sec":6752.45,"text":"But gosh, I sure would like the city to, uh, while doing its due diligence, I would also like it to honor its contracts, honor its promises, and to work with us. You know, I remember that it was only a few years ago when we used to work together, when the city and People's Church were we collaborated to try to get people off the streets. That's what we want.","topics_json":"[\"budget\",\"homelessness\"]","vector_id":"vec_seg_101612_304","created_at":"2026-10-31T08:06:37Z","speaker_name":null},{"id":"seg_101612_305","meeting_id":"101612","media_asset_id":"med_101612_222f4db39d42ac83","agenda_item_id":null,"speaker_id":"off_andre_m_boggerty","speaker_confidence":1,"start_sec":6752.45,"end_sec":6757.15,"text":"Okay. I I don't I don't Well, I hear you, but I want to stay on my track. I don't I'm not going to go back to that.","topics_json":"[]","vector_id":"vec_seg_101612_305","created_at":"2026-10-31T08:06:37Z","speaker_name":"Andre M. Boggerty"},{"id":"seg_101612_306","meeting_id":"101612","media_asset_id":"med_101612_222f4db39d42ac83","agenda_item_id":null,"speaker_id":"spk_101612_applicant_representative","speaker_confidence":0.9,"start_sec":6757.15,"end_sec":6758.75,"text":"Okay. Those are good things I said.","topics_json":"[]","vector_id":"vec_seg_101612_306","created_at":"2026-10-31T08:06:37Z","speaker_name":null},{"id":"seg_101612_307","meeting_id":"101612","media_asset_id":"med_101612_222f4db39d42ac83","agenda_item_id":null,"speaker_id":"off_andre_m_boggerty","speaker_confidence":1,"start_sec":6758.75,"end_sec":6760.35,"text":"No, I have I have specific questions.","topics_json":"[]","vector_id":"vec_seg_101612_307","created_at":"2026-10-31T08:06:37Z","speaker_name":"Andre M. Boggerty"},{"id":"seg_101612_308","meeting_id":"101612","media_asset_id":"med_101612_222f4db39d42ac83","agenda_item_id":null,"speaker_id":"spk_101612_applicant_representative","speaker_confidence":0.9,"start_sec":6760.35,"end_sec":6761.85,"text":"I look forward to the day.","topics_json":"[]","vector_id":"vec_seg_101612_308","created_at":"2026-10-31T08:06:37Z","speaker_name":null},{"id":"seg_101612_309","meeting_id":"101612","media_asset_id":"med_101612_222f4db39d42ac83","agenda_item_id":null,"speaker_id":"off_andre_m_boggerty","speaker_confidence":1,"start_sec":6761.85,"end_sec":6805.75,"text":"So So I look forward We're going We're going to answer the questions specifically. We're not going to do that song and dance. You know, I'm one of the most respectful people here, so let's let's stay here. I I I get testimonial work. I I have given to People's Place. I give. I love, you know, and I don't take pictures. That's my problem. So now here's my So let's get back to to this without the the the purse strings. Let's talk about these numbers.","topics_json":"[\"budget\"]","vector_id":"vec_seg_101612_309","created_at":"2026-10-31T08:06:37Z","speaker_name":"Andre M. Boggerty"},{"id":"seg_101612_31","meeting_id":"101612","media_asset_id":"med_101612_222f4db39d42ac83","agenda_item_id":null,"speaker_id":"off_david_l_anderson","speaker_confidence":0.95,"start_sec":1409.25,"end_sec":1415.45,"text":"Thank you for that information. Uh Councilman Rocha and Dr. Councilman Rocha and Dr. Sudler.","topics_json":"[]","vector_id":"vec_seg_101612_31","created_at":"2026-10-31T08:06:36Z","speaker_name":"David L. Anderson"},{"id":"seg_101612_310","meeting_id":"101612","media_asset_id":"med_101612_222f4db39d42ac83","agenda_item_id":null,"speaker_id":"off_andre_m_boggerty","speaker_confidence":1,"start_sec":6806.05,"end_sec":6843.95,"text":"My question is what if if all this other funding exists and if you are demonstrating good faith and and our, who you who you describe as an excellent employee, came and said, \"Hey, they're still using that funding to move this project along.\" And then it was brought back to us to say, \"Hey, they are using these resources to their other resources to bring the project.\" So if you have all of this other money and all of these other champions, why why does the project have to stop now with us, with $40,000?","topics_json":"[\"budget\"]","vector_id":"vec_seg_101612_310","created_at":"2026-10-31T08:06:37Z","speaker_name":"Andre M. Boggerty"},{"id":"seg_101612_311","meeting_id":"101612","media_asset_id":"med_101612_222f4db39d42ac83","agenda_item_id":null,"speaker_id":"off_andre_m_boggerty","speaker_confidence":1,"start_sec":6843.95,"end_sec":6884.25,"text":"I'm not not not a drop in the bucket, but at the at the totality of the project. And you you stated that there are other moneys that could be used, and you're not using them for to to help the community for which we all love, for which we all hope that one day turn it around. I'm a child of an individual who was an addict. My father does AA meetings. That's part of his recovery now. So I'm sensitive to that. So so I that I want y'all to know. My heart goes out to everybody, but I'm a child of that.","topics_json":"[\"budget\"]","vector_id":"vec_seg_101612_311","created_at":"2026-10-31T08:06:37Z","speaker_name":"Andre M. Boggerty"},{"id":"seg_101612_312","meeting_id":"101612","media_asset_id":"med_101612_222f4db39d42ac83","agenda_item_id":null,"speaker_id":"off_andre_m_boggerty","speaker_confidence":1,"start_sec":6884.25,"end_sec":6904.05,"text":"So I definitely have an issue that if you're if you if we're not using the money for real rehabilitation, that this if we're just dressing up offices, if we're just putting nice fancy couches in, then I have an issue. I want to see individuals' lives turned around as well. So I'm going back to my other question.","topics_json":"[\"budget\"]","vector_id":"vec_seg_101612_312","created_at":"2026-10-31T08:06:37Z","speaker_name":"Andre M. Boggerty"},{"id":"seg_101612_313","meeting_id":"101612","media_asset_id":"med_101612_222f4db39d42ac83","agenda_item_id":null,"speaker_id":"off_andre_m_boggerty","speaker_confidence":1,"start_sec":6904.35,"end_sec":6914.55,"text":"If you have resources that are there that you say that you can move the project along, why aren't you moving the project along?","topics_json":"[\"budget\"]","vector_id":"vec_seg_101612_313","created_at":"2026-10-31T08:06:37Z","speaker_name":"Andre M. Boggerty"},{"id":"seg_101612_314","meeting_id":"101612","media_asset_id":"med_101612_222f4db39d42ac83","agenda_item_id":null,"speaker_id":"spk_101612_applicant_representative","speaker_confidence":0.9,"start_sec":6914.55,"end_sec":6942.45,"text":"We will once once this 350 that we were promised comes through. We will move the project along, but, uh, we also have done an awful lot, and we do an awful lot. And as Ms. O'Brien points out, the loss of ESG funding was huge for us. We're going to keep getting addicts into treatment. We're going to keep feeding the elderly, uh, Monday through Friday.","topics_json":"[\"budget\",\"homelessness\"]","vector_id":"vec_seg_101612_314","created_at":"2026-10-31T08:06:37Z","speaker_name":null},{"id":"seg_101612_315","meeting_id":"101612","media_asset_id":"med_101612_222f4db39d42ac83","agenda_item_id":null,"speaker_id":"spk_101612_applicant_representative","speaker_confidence":0.9,"start_sec":6942.45,"end_sec":6962.45,"text":"We're going to keep distributing toys and adult diapers through our free store. We're not going to stop that. And we're going to keep taking people to the DMV and and helping them apply online for their birth certificates, etc. We're going to keep doing that. You're right. We're not destitute,","topics_json":"[\"homelessness\"]","vector_id":"vec_seg_101612_315","created_at":"2026-10-31T08:06:37Z","speaker_name":null},{"id":"seg_101612_316","meeting_id":"101612","media_asset_id":"med_101612_222f4db39d42ac83","agenda_item_id":null,"speaker_id":"spk_101612_applicant_representative","speaker_confidence":0.9,"start_sec":6962.95,"end_sec":6982.95,"text":"but we are doing things on a shoestring. We are We do count every penny and and, uh, and we need every penny. And we our plan forward has counted on the city fulfilling its part of the agenda.","topics_json":"[\"budget\"]","vector_id":"vec_seg_101612_316","created_at":"2026-10-31T08:06:37Z","speaker_name":null},{"id":"seg_101612_317","meeting_id":"101612","media_asset_id":"med_101612_222f4db39d42ac83","agenda_item_id":null,"speaker_id":"off_andre_m_boggerty","speaker_confidence":1,"start_sec":6982.95,"end_sec":6986.25,"text":"All right. Mr. Chair, I I made my decision. Thank you.","topics_json":"[]","vector_id":"vec_seg_101612_317","created_at":"2026-10-31T08:06:37Z","speaker_name":"Andre M. Boggerty"},{"id":"seg_101612_318","meeting_id":"101612","media_asset_id":"med_101612_222f4db39d42ac83","agenda_item_id":null,"speaker_id":"off_roy_sudler_jr","speaker_confidence":1,"start_sec":6986.25,"end_sec":6989.45,"text":"All right. Thank you, uh, Councilwoman Arndt.","topics_json":"[]","vector_id":"vec_seg_101612_318","created_at":"2026-10-31T08:06:37Z","speaker_name":"Roy Sudler, Jr."},{"id":"seg_101612_319","meeting_id":"101612","media_asset_id":"med_101612_222f4db39d42ac83","agenda_item_id":null,"speaker_id":"off_tricia_k_arndt","speaker_confidence":1,"start_sec":6989.75,"end_sec":7000.45,"text":"Thank you. I think this question may have been answered, um, in your response to Councilman Boggerty, but what amount have you been reimbursed to date from the from the 40,000?","topics_json":"[\"budget\"]","vector_id":"vec_seg_101612_319","created_at":"2026-10-31T08:06:37Z","speaker_name":"Tricia K. Arndt"},{"id":"seg_101612_32","meeting_id":"101612","media_asset_id":"med_101612_222f4db39d42ac83","agenda_item_id":null,"speaker_id":"off_roy_sudler_jr","speaker_confidence":0.95,"start_sec":1415.65,"end_sec":1428.45,"text":"Thank you Council President, or acting Council President. Um, Mr. Wilson, um have you determined uh, could you explain what the footprint for downtown that you would cover with this program?","topics_json":"[\"business\"]","vector_id":"vec_seg_101612_32","created_at":"2026-10-31T08:06:36Z","speaker_name":"Roy Sudler, Jr."},{"id":"seg_101612_320","meeting_id":"101612","media_asset_id":"med_101612_222f4db39d42ac83","agenda_item_id":null,"speaker_id":"spk_101612_applicant_representative","speaker_confidence":0.9,"start_sec":7001.55,"end_sec":7019.55,"text":"You know, that's a question that Debbie might know. Um, I think you reimbursed us for the for the lead abatement and for the No, you didn't? Okay. So none of that 40,000. The other that CDBG grant was like for 70-something. Part of it was program. I think the program has been reimbursed. The program aspect.","topics_json":"[\"budget\"]","vector_id":"vec_seg_101612_320","created_at":"2026-10-31T08:06:37Z","speaker_name":null},{"id":"seg_101612_321","meeting_id":"101612","media_asset_id":"med_101612_222f4db39d42ac83","agenda_item_id":null,"speaker_id":"spk_101612_debbie","speaker_confidence":0.8,"start_sec":7021.25,"end_sec":7024.25,"text":"22,700.","topics_json":"[\"budget\"]","vector_id":"vec_seg_101612_321","created_at":"2026-10-31T08:06:37Z","speaker_name":"Debbie"},{"id":"seg_101612_322","meeting_id":"101612","media_asset_id":"med_101612_222f4db39d42ac83","agenda_item_id":null,"speaker_id":"spk_101612_applicant_representative","speaker_confidence":0.9,"start_sec":7024.25,"end_sec":7039.85,"text":"22,700 has been reimbursed. So we we can't be really non-compliant with the CDBG requirements, because you reimbursed us 22,700 for the program. What has not been reimbursed is the 40,000 which was intended for the renovation of the space.","topics_json":"[\"budget\"]","vector_id":"vec_seg_101612_322","created_at":"2026-10-31T08:06:37Z","speaker_name":null},{"id":"seg_101612_323","meeting_id":"101612","media_asset_id":"med_101612_222f4db39d42ac83","agenda_item_id":null,"speaker_id":"off_tricia_k_arndt","speaker_confidence":1,"start_sec":7040.35,"end_sec":7049.15,"text":"Understood. Um, and then the question regarding the monthly reports that you were supposed to submit, um, did you not submit them, or what what happened with that?","topics_json":"[\"budget\"]","vector_id":"vec_seg_101612_323","created_at":"2026-10-31T08:06:37Z","speaker_name":"Tricia K. Arndt"},{"id":"seg_101612_324","meeting_id":"101612","media_asset_id":"med_101612_222f4db39d42ac83","agenda_item_id":null,"speaker_id":"spk_101612_applicant_representative","speaker_confidence":0.9,"start_sec":7049.95,"end_sec":7072.05,"text":"Well, we were I was in frequent, uh, email back and forth with Ms. O'Brien throughout the spring. Um, in the I was out of town for for, uh, uh, uh, uh, part of June and all of July and part of August, but, um, there was no there was nothing happening to report about. Uh, we wrote and said, \"Here Here's what we did. Will you please reimburse us for this money we spent on the demolition?\"","topics_json":"[\"budget\"]","vector_id":"vec_seg_101612_324","created_at":"2026-10-31T08:06:37Z","speaker_name":null},{"id":"seg_101612_325","meeting_id":"101612","media_asset_id":"med_101612_222f4db39d42ac83","agenda_item_id":null,"speaker_id":"spk_101612_applicant_representative","speaker_confidence":0.9,"start_sec":7072.65,"end_sec":7077.9,"text":"Um, it's not like there was an ongoing program and we needed to report on how many people were coming into the program, etc. This was a a capital project,","topics_json":"[\"budget\"]","vector_id":"vec_seg_101612_325","created_at":"2026-10-31T08:06:37Z","speaker_name":null},{"id":"seg_101612_326","meeting_id":"101612","media_asset_id":"med_101612_222f4db39d42ac83","agenda_item_id":null,"speaker_id":"spk_101612_donald_hodge","speaker_confidence":0.9,"start_sec":7077.9,"end_sec":7081.7,"text":"I believe you. I just don't I don't remember receiving it.","topics_json":"[]","vector_id":"vec_seg_101612_326","created_at":"2026-10-31T08:06:37Z","speaker_name":"Donald Hodge"},{"id":"seg_101612_327","meeting_id":"101612","media_asset_id":"med_101612_222f4db39d42ac83","agenda_item_id":null,"speaker_id":"off_david_l_anderson","speaker_confidence":0.95,"start_sec":7082,"end_sec":7087.8,"text":"Please make sure to close that out tomorrow. Thank you. Uh, Dr. Sudler.","topics_json":"[]","vector_id":"vec_seg_101612_327","created_at":"2026-10-31T08:06:37Z","speaker_name":"David L. Anderson"},{"id":"seg_101612_328","meeting_id":"101612","media_asset_id":"med_101612_222f4db39d42ac83","agenda_item_id":null,"speaker_id":"off_roy_sudler_jr","speaker_confidence":0.95,"start_sec":7089.8,"end_sec":7120.5,"text":"Thank you. I'd like to point your attention to the recollection of a city employee allegedly stating that you did not need basically to be in compliance with the three quotes. When you heard or discovered that that was not the case, did you submit anything in writing to the city manager of your grievance and your point of interest, uh, to substantiate, uh, your claim?","topics_json":"[\"budget\"]","vector_id":"vec_seg_101612_328","created_at":"2026-10-31T08:06:37Z","speaker_name":"Roy Sudler, Jr."},{"id":"seg_101612_329","meeting_id":"101612","media_asset_id":"med_101612_222f4db39d42ac83","agenda_item_id":null,"speaker_id":"spk_101612_donald_hodge","speaker_confidence":0.9,"start_sec":7121,"end_sec":7196.9,"text":"Yes. Mr. O'Bryan asked me to send an explanation, and I did. And the explanation stated, had three points I think: one, that, uh, Tracey Harvey said we didn't need the three bids; two, we received two bids anyway, but did not have confidence in the in the one; and three, that we decided then to go with the recommendation of Downtown Dover Partnership and to use this contractor. So that was in a letter that went, and it's even Yeah. Yeah, I submitted that letter. And I think I got an email from Mr. O'Bryan saying, \"Okay, thank you for doing this. This is all set.\"","topics_json":"[\"budget\"]","vector_id":"vec_seg_101612_329","created_at":"2026-10-31T08:06:37Z","speaker_name":"Donald Hodge"},{"id":"seg_101612_33","meeting_id":"101612","media_asset_id":"med_101612_222f4db39d42ac83","agenda_item_id":null,"speaker_id":"spk_101612_mr_wilson","speaker_confidence":0.95,"start_sec":1428.65,"end_sec":1538.55,"text":"Would be Loockerman Street. That's my main focus is Loockerman Street, and then we'd break off streets, which would be Governors, Queen, New, um because what happen is we're going to be where the crowd is and trying to get them signed up to the program. We want to offer these young men and women opportunity to sign up for the program and pay for their entering the program. Uh we have some donors that's interested in paying their tuition. There's opportunities out here in construction, good paying jobs. I'm paying $60 an hour for just a person to push a broom on a prevailing wage job. And there's a lot of those jobs out there, because Caesar Rodney School District is building two new schools. Dover Capital School District they're building a a new school. So, um down in in Lewes um they're building schools all over the state, and we have to be able to get our Delaware folks on these projects, because I can tell you now, Pennsylvania, New Jersey, they're coming here and taking all these jobs. Look at it. You know, you know, every day all these contracts are going out. Look at the uh state website for procurement. All these projects, millions and millions and millions of dollars. And and they're they're they're not coming home. You know, so therefore we we're fueling another economy, because they spending the money making it here and taking it back to Jersey, Philadelphia, and across the bridge to New Castle.","topics_json":"[\"business\",\"budget\"]","vector_id":"vec_seg_101612_33","created_at":"2026-10-31T08:06:36Z","speaker_name":null},{"id":"seg_101612_330","meeting_id":"101612","media_asset_id":"med_101612_222f4db39d42ac83","agenda_item_id":null,"speaker_id":"off_roy_sudler_jr","speaker_confidence":0.95,"start_sec":7197.5,"end_sec":7211.4,"text":"Okay, thank you. I'd like to refer, um, I'd like to hear from staff, Ms. Savini, if you have any knowledge or any recollection of that, um, for the record, I'd like to have that stated on record.","topics_json":"[\"budget\"]","vector_id":"vec_seg_101612_330","created_at":"2026-10-31T08:06:37Z","speaker_name":"Roy Sudler, Jr."},{"id":"seg_101612_331","meeting_id":"101612","media_asset_id":"med_101612_222f4db39d42ac83","agenda_item_id":null,"speaker_id":"spk_101612_patricia_savini","speaker_confidence":0.9,"start_sec":7213.4,"end_sec":7312.2,"text":"The procurement requirements were reiterated, um, multiple times: October 7th, um, May 27th, June 10th. Um, I requested the additional quote because I need that for proof in my records, uh, on June June 11th, with no response was received. The executed requirement, uh, for the agreement that you, um, executed with your contractor and you only sent me every other page. It said on the one page that I did see that there was a deposit of $52,004.04 required at the execution of that agreement. Uh, you submitted a check for $44,504.04 with no explanation provided for the $7,500 shortage. Um, all I can say is I never heard Tracey Harvey say that three quotes were not required. She always reiterated to all of our subrecipients when I was in training that the city's purchasing policy requires three quotes if you're, uh, paying anybody over $10,000. And then, if you go to the flowchart in our purchasing policy on page three, if you have anything over $50,000, it requires sealed bid or an RFP process. That's all I ever heard her say, and I never heard her say anything else.","topics_json":"[\"budget\"]","vector_id":"vec_seg_101612_331","created_at":"2026-10-31T08:06:37Z","speaker_name":"Patricia Savini"},{"id":"seg_101612_332","meeting_id":"101612","media_asset_id":"med_101612_222f4db39d42ac83","agenda_item_id":null,"speaker_id":"spk_101612_donald_hodge","speaker_confidence":0.9,"start_sec":7312.9,"end_sec":7315.3,"text":"Since this was under $50,000, then that wasn't required.","topics_json":"[\"budget\"]","vector_id":"vec_seg_101612_332","created_at":"2026-10-31T08:06:37Z","speaker_name":"Donald Hodge"},{"id":"seg_101612_333","meeting_id":"101612","media_asset_id":"med_101612_222f4db39d42ac83","agenda_item_id":null,"speaker_id":"spk_101612_patricia_savini","speaker_confidence":0.9,"start_sec":7315.4,"end_sec":7319,"text":"It was 172 $178,000.","topics_json":"[\"budget\"]","vector_id":"vec_seg_101612_333","created_at":"2026-10-31T08:06:37Z","speaker_name":"Patricia Savini"},{"id":"seg_101612_334","meeting_id":"101612","media_asset_id":"med_101612_222f4db39d42ac83","agenda_item_id":null,"speaker_id":"spk_101612_donald_hodge","speaker_confidence":0.9,"start_sec":7319.7,"end_sec":7329.1,"text":"She said at the time, because the it's not the total project cost, is that your amount awarded was $40,000, and that's below the threshold.","topics_json":"[\"budget\"]","vector_id":"vec_seg_101612_334","created_at":"2026-10-31T08:06:37Z","speaker_name":"Donald Hodge"},{"id":"seg_101612_335","meeting_id":"101612","media_asset_id":"med_101612_222f4db39d42ac83","agenda_item_id":null,"speaker_id":"off_roy_sudler_jr","speaker_confidence":0.95,"start_sec":7329.4,"end_sec":7342.3,"text":"Council President, acting Council President Anderson, I'd like to interject here. Sounds like the due diligence lack is on your part, so, uh, I know how I'm going to vote. Thank you.","topics_json":"[\"budget\"]","vector_id":"vec_seg_101612_335","created_at":"2026-10-31T08:06:37Z","speaker_name":"Roy Sudler, Jr."},{"id":"seg_101612_336","meeting_id":"101612","media_asset_id":"med_101612_222f4db39d42ac83","agenda_item_id":null,"speaker_id":"off_david_l_anderson","speaker_confidence":0.95,"start_sec":7342.9,"end_sec":7354.9,"text":"Thank you, sir. Thank you. Uh, you can, um, finish your statement, uh, Dr. Hodge, if you like. If not, then—","topics_json":"[]","vector_id":"vec_seg_101612_336","created_at":"2026-10-31T08:06:37Z","speaker_name":"David L. Anderson"},{"id":"seg_101612_337","meeting_id":"101612","media_asset_id":"med_101612_222f4db39d42ac83","agenda_item_id":null,"speaker_id":"spk_101612_donald_hodge","speaker_confidence":0.9,"start_sec":7355.1,"end_sec":7368.3,"text":"Okay, I'll just finish it. Clearly, you're your you can't vote tonight, but clearly when this comes up, you're going to you're going to vote to re to renege on that contract. That's okay. I understand. We'll continue to do this work. We want to","topics_json":"[\"budget\"]","vector_id":"vec_seg_101612_337","created_at":"2026-10-31T08:06:37Z","speaker_name":"Donald Hodge"},{"id":"seg_101612_338","meeting_id":"101612","media_asset_id":"med_101612_222f4db39d42ac83","agenda_item_id":null,"speaker_id":"off_david_l_anderson","speaker_confidence":0.95,"start_sec":7368.6,"end_sec":7370.9,"text":"Please, let Dr. Hodge continue.","topics_json":"[]","vector_id":"vec_seg_101612_338","created_at":"2026-10-31T08:06:37Z","speaker_name":"David L. Anderson"},{"id":"seg_101612_339","meeting_id":"101612","media_asset_id":"med_101612_222f4db39d42ac83","agenda_item_id":null,"speaker_id":"spk_101612_donald_hodge","speaker_confidence":0.9,"start_sec":7371.1,"end_sec":7373.2,"text":"Well, he was raising his hand.","topics_json":"[]","vector_id":"vec_seg_101612_339","created_at":"2026-10-31T08:06:37Z","speaker_name":"Donald Hodge"},{"id":"seg_101612_34","meeting_id":"101612","media_asset_id":"med_101612_222f4db39d42ac83","agenda_item_id":null,"speaker_id":"off_roy_sudler_jr","speaker_confidence":0.95,"start_sec":1538.75,"end_sec":1583.65,"text":"And and the important, just to piggyback off what you're saying, the important thing um is that we have to prepare the folks here that are in our city to be get them to be prepared for these jobs. There's even more jobs than that that are coming. There are jobs that are here that no one, you know, companies can't fill those jobs. And uh we just have to transform the mindset. I think that this program is an excellent opportunity uh leading them into construction-type work. Um yeah. So I think that's uh thank you for bringing that to our attention once again. And uh, you know, I hope we can you know, hopefully, you know, get some skin in the game, get this off the ground.","topics_json":"[\"business\"]","vector_id":"vec_seg_101612_34","created_at":"2026-10-31T08:06:36Z","speaker_name":"Roy Sudler, Jr."},{"id":"seg_101612_340","meeting_id":"101612","media_asset_id":"med_101612_222f4db39d42ac83","agenda_item_id":null,"speaker_id":"off_david_l_anderson","speaker_confidence":0.95,"start_sec":7373.3,"end_sec":7383.7,"text":"Yeah. Well, it's 8:00, it's 8:00. I just want to you to we're close, and I just want you to go ahead.","topics_json":"[]","vector_id":"vec_seg_101612_340","created_at":"2026-10-31T08:06:37Z","speaker_name":"David L. Anderson"},{"id":"seg_101612_341","meeting_id":"101612","media_asset_id":"med_101612_222f4db39d42ac83","agenda_item_id":null,"speaker_id":"spk_101612_donald_hodge","speaker_confidence":0.9,"start_sec":7384,"end_sec":7499.6,"text":"All right. Just saying, look, we've, um, we've been City Council and People's Church of Dover have been in a battle for nine months. And personally, I'm tired. I don't want to fight anymore. I understand that your reservations about the reimbursing the rest of the money, and we accept that. Moving forward for future projects, I hope that we can be at peace with the City Council. We will continue to do all we can to be as compliant with every ordinance that you can come up with. We want to be in good relationship with the city. And we want to do the right thing, and we want to have good relationships with the staff. And so, um, for the for the battle in the spring in which I gave you all a good talking-to, uh, I hope you will forgive me. I forgive you for somehow relying on, uh, some a spurious testimony on which to make your decisions. But, uh, I I I just hope that when this is over that we can be willing to say that we all have the same goal in mind, which in our case is to get people off the streets, to make downtown Dover more livable for everybody, not just for wealthy people coming in from outside, but for everybody, and to make sure that sit city money is spent in an appropriate, uh, manner. Um, so I hope we can collaborate in the future. That's all.","topics_json":"[\"homelessness\",\"budget\"]","vector_id":"vec_seg_101612_341","created_at":"2026-10-31T08:06:37Z","speaker_name":"Donald Hodge"},{"id":"seg_101612_342","meeting_id":"101612","media_asset_id":"med_101612_222f4db39d42ac83","agenda_item_id":null,"speaker_id":"off_david_l_anderson","speaker_confidence":0.95,"start_sec":7500.2,"end_sec":7557.6,"text":"Thank you. Thank you. We have, um, and we it was uh it it is by procedure imperative that both sides will be allowed to, uh, give their opinion and to put put the statements on the record. Uh, Dr. Hodge, uh, whatever it is, you have, uh, a couple more weeks to decide how to proceed to get get everything compliant, because, um, Mrs.—I would have done it, but Mrs. Arndt's already done it, and as, uh, uh, noted and called quorum. Is there, uh, are there any committee members online? Seeing seeing none, with the call of quorum having been made, the the proper parliamentary procedure is to, uh, stay and adjourn in this, uh, meeting.","topics_json":"[]","vector_id":"vec_seg_101612_342","created_at":"2026-10-31T08:06:37Z","speaker_name":"David L. Anderson"},{"id":"seg_101612_343","meeting_id":"101612","media_asset_id":"med_101612_222f4db39d42ac83","agenda_item_id":null,"speaker_id":"off_gerald_l_rocha_sr","speaker_confidence":0.95,"start_sec":7557.9,"end_sec":7558.6,"text":"Point of order, Mr. President.","topics_json":"[]","vector_id":"vec_seg_101612_343","created_at":"2026-10-31T08:06:37Z","speaker_name":"Gerald L. Rocha, Sr."},{"id":"seg_101612_344","meeting_id":"101612","media_asset_id":"med_101612_222f4db39d42ac83","agenda_item_id":null,"speaker_id":"off_david_l_anderson","speaker_confidence":0.95,"start_sec":7558.9,"end_sec":7561.4,"text":"Sir? We have a point of order, uh—","topics_json":"[]","vector_id":"vec_seg_101612_344","created_at":"2026-10-31T08:06:37Z","speaker_name":"David L. Anderson"},{"id":"seg_101612_345","meeting_id":"101612","media_asset_id":"med_101612_222f4db39d42ac83","agenda_item_id":null,"speaker_id":"off_gerald_l_rocha_sr","speaker_confidence":0.95,"start_sec":7561.6,"end_sec":7565.2,"text":"Dr. Sudler put his hand up, and you failed to recognize him.","topics_json":"[]","vector_id":"vec_seg_101612_345","created_at":"2026-10-31T08:06:37Z","speaker_name":"Gerald L. Rocha, Sr."},{"id":"seg_101612_346","meeting_id":"101612","media_asset_id":"med_101612_222f4db39d42ac83","agenda_item_id":null,"speaker_id":"off_david_l_anderson","speaker_confidence":0.95,"start_sec":7566.1,"end_sec":7588.9,"text":"Okay. Uh, this, uh, we can, we got both sides on the record. We allowed questions, I mean, but we don't we can't have a motion, so we can't have discussion now. We The only proper procedure is to adjourn the is to adjourn the committee because we no longer have quorum.","topics_json":"[]","vector_id":"vec_seg_101612_346","created_at":"2026-10-31T08:06:37Z","speaker_name":"David L. Anderson"},{"id":"seg_101612_347","meeting_id":"101612","media_asset_id":"med_101612_222f4db39d42ac83","agenda_item_id":null,"speaker_id":"spk_101612_donald_hodge","speaker_confidence":0.9,"start_sec":7589.9,"end_sec":7594.2,"text":"There are other people here who I think might like to speak to this issue. Will they be allowed to be heard?","topics_json":"[]","vector_id":"vec_seg_101612_347","created_at":"2026-10-31T08:06:37Z","speaker_name":"Donald Hodge"},{"id":"seg_101612_348","meeting_id":"101612","media_asset_id":"med_101612_222f4db39d42ac83","agenda_item_id":null,"speaker_id":"off_david_l_anderson","speaker_confidence":0.95,"start_sec":7595,"end_sec":7607,"text":"See, I mean, we can I mean, I we can go after midnight, but, um, but we have no quorum, uh, of the committee.","topics_json":"[]","vector_id":"vec_seg_101612_348","created_at":"2026-10-31T08:06:37Z","speaker_name":"David L. Anderson"},{"id":"seg_101612_349","meeting_id":"101612","media_asset_id":"med_101612_222f4db39d42ac83","agenda_item_id":null,"speaker_id":"off_david_l_anderson","speaker_confidence":0.95,"start_sec":7607.1,"end_sec":7608.9,"text":"Well, I'm sorry, Dr. Sudler, what did you say?","topics_json":"[]","vector_id":"vec_seg_101612_349","created_at":"2026-10-31T08:06:37Z","speaker_name":"David L. Anderson"},{"id":"seg_101612_35","meeting_id":"101612","media_asset_id":"med_101612_222f4db39d42ac83","agenda_item_id":null,"speaker_id":"spk_101612_mr_wilson","speaker_confidence":0.95,"start_sec":1583.85,"end_sec":1652.15,"text":"I appreciate it. And one thing I want to say in reference to the people that we going to be serving, excuse me, I yield. Sorry. Um the people that we going to be serving, you have to understand that we I know we have a Polycheck, Polytech, and they have after- afterschool program, evening continuing education program. But we have uh men and women that coming from prison, it's hard for them, some of them, to go into those programs because they feel inferior. You know, you got guys men and women have been in jail for 14, 15, 20 years. They come out, they can't even cut grass. I mean it's it's sad, because the prison is a warehouse. Because when I was at the federal prison, you had to work. If not, you be in a hole for 24 hours a day and maybe a couple of days a week you get out in a cage, in a dog cage. I was in a hole. I know what it's like. And so when they come home, you know, they want to be around people that they can relate to, they can relate to. So, we building that atmosphere for them to be comfortable, and learn, and and become a productive citizen in society.","topics_json":"[\"public_safety\"]","vector_id":"vec_seg_101612_35","created_at":"2026-10-31T08:06:36Z","speaker_name":null},{"id":"seg_101612_350","meeting_id":"101612","media_asset_id":"med_101612_222f4db39d42ac83","agenda_item_id":null,"speaker_id":"off_roy_sudler_jr","speaker_confidence":0.95,"start_sec":7609.7,"end_sec":7620.3,"text":"Can you, for the record, and so that our constituents who are here will understand why we don't have a quorum, can you, can you explain that?","topics_json":"[]","vector_id":"vec_seg_101612_350","created_at":"2026-10-31T08:06:37Z","speaker_name":"Roy Sudler, Jr."},{"id":"seg_101612_351","meeting_id":"101612","media_asset_id":"med_101612_222f4db39d42ac83","agenda_item_id":null,"speaker_id":"off_david_l_anderson","speaker_confidence":0.95,"start_sec":7620.9,"end_sec":7672.1,"text":"Uh, absolutely. Um, the quorum requires a majority of all members of the committee, uh, which there are 11. Uh, we currently, as, uh, Mrs. Arndt pointed out, have five because we would have, um, quorum, but, uh, Councilman Rocha had to recuse himself. Therefore, we cannot vote. We cannot conduct any further business, um, once the, uh, uh We we were allowed to, um, hear that the other side to put it on the record, but we can't really do anything else. We can't make a motion, we Therefore, we can't have discussion on on a motion because we can't make one. The only motion that is proper when quorum is allowed according to Robert's Rules of Order is to adjourn it.","topics_json":"[]","vector_id":"vec_seg_101612_351","created_at":"2026-10-31T08:06:37Z","speaker_name":"David L. Anderson"},{"id":"seg_101612_352","meeting_id":"101612","media_asset_id":"med_101612_222f4db39d42ac83","agenda_item_id":null,"speaker_id":"off_roy_sudler_jr","speaker_confidence":0.95,"start_sec":7672.9,"end_sec":7679.4,"text":"Thank you for, uh, bringing that to our attention and explaining that to our constituents and everyone. Thank you.","topics_json":"[]","vector_id":"vec_seg_101612_352","created_at":"2026-10-31T08:06:37Z","speaker_name":"Roy Sudler, Jr."},{"id":"seg_101612_353","meeting_id":"101612","media_asset_id":"med_101612_222f4db39d42ac83","agenda_item_id":null,"speaker_id":"off_david_l_anderson","speaker_confidence":0.95,"start_sec":7679.9,"end_sec":7726.7,"text":"And it it would have been uh and the and the reason why the he was allowed is because according to Robert's Rules, it would have been a manifest injustice and in- and unfair. And so therefore he would be allowed to put it on the record. Um, that's in that way, both sides are on the record. Um, all right. Um, the meeting, Parks, Recreation, Community Enhancement is adjourned. And thank you all for being here. And if, uh, anyone, um, wish and wishes to, uh, put anything on the record, I would encourage you to do so. I would encourage you to email City Clerk at dover.de.gov, and, um, I want to encourage you to do so. Uh, thank you very much.","topics_json":"[]","vector_id":"vec_seg_101612_353","created_at":"2026-10-31T08:06:37Z","speaker_name":"David L. Anderson"},{"id":"seg_101612_354","meeting_id":"101612","media_asset_id":"med_101612_222f4db39d42ac83","agenda_item_id":null,"speaker_id":"off_david_l_anderson","speaker_confidence":0.95,"start_sec":7726.9,"end_sec":7737.9,"text":"That brings us to Safety Advisory and Transportation Committee, uh, and I turn it over to, uh, Councilman Andre Boggerty.","topics_json":"[]","vector_id":"vec_seg_101612_354","created_at":"2026-10-31T08:06:37Z","speaker_name":"David L. Anderson"},{"id":"seg_101612_355","meeting_id":"101612","media_asset_id":"med_101612_222f4db39d42ac83","agenda_item_id":null,"speaker_id":"off_andre_m_boggerty","speaker_confidence":0.95,"start_sec":7740.2,"end_sec":7745.9,"text":"Uh, thank you, Council President. Uh, I move for the adoption of the agenda for the Safety Advisory and Transportation Committee.","topics_json":"[]","vector_id":"vec_seg_101612_355","created_at":"2026-10-31T08:06:37Z","speaker_name":"Andre M. Boggerty"},{"id":"seg_101612_356","meeting_id":"101612","media_asset_id":"med_101612_222f4db39d42ac83","agenda_item_id":null,"speaker_id":"off_julia_m_pillsbury","speaker_confidence":0.9,"start_sec":7746.1,"end_sec":7746.9,"text":"So moved.","topics_json":"[]","vector_id":"vec_seg_101612_356","created_at":"2026-10-31T08:06:37Z","speaker_name":"Julia M. Pillsbury"},{"id":"seg_101612_357","meeting_id":"101612","media_asset_id":"med_101612_222f4db39d42ac83","agenda_item_id":null,"speaker_id":"off_david_l_anderson","speaker_confidence":0.95,"start_sec":7748.9,"end_sec":7752.9,"text":"It's been moved and it's uh I second it.","topics_json":"[]","vector_id":"vec_seg_101612_357","created_at":"2026-10-31T08:06:37Z","speaker_name":"David L. Anderson"},{"id":"seg_101612_358","meeting_id":"101612","media_asset_id":"med_101612_222f4db39d42ac83","agenda_item_id":null,"speaker_id":"off_andre_m_boggerty","speaker_confidence":0.95,"start_sec":7753.1,"end_sec":7757.4,"text":"It's been properly moved and seconded. Are you ready for the question? All those in favor signify by saying aye.","topics_json":"[]","vector_id":"vec_seg_101612_358","created_at":"2026-10-31T08:06:37Z","speaker_name":"Andre M. Boggerty"},{"id":"seg_101612_359","meeting_id":"101612","media_asset_id":"med_101612_222f4db39d42ac83","agenda_item_id":null,"speaker_id":"off_david_l_anderson","speaker_confidence":0.95,"start_sec":7757.5,"end_sec":7758.4,"text":"Aye.","topics_json":"[]","vector_id":"vec_seg_101612_359","created_at":"2026-10-31T08:06:37Z","speaker_name":"David L. Anderson"},{"id":"seg_101612_36","meeting_id":"101612","media_asset_id":"med_101612_222f4db39d42ac83","agenda_item_id":null,"speaker_id":"spk_101612_mr_wilson","speaker_confidence":0.95,"start_sec":1660.65,"end_sec":1731.15,"text":"And I went to the hole for uh just how it's inciting a riot, because I wanted to get programs into the prison. And I had old guys that've been there 25 and 30 years said, \"Son, don't do it. Don't do it.\" I said, \"If I don't do it, how is it going to get done?\" So, I put in the paperwork, got a petition signed, put in the paperwork and this and that, and that blew over my head and became a part of of the hole. So, came out and became a trustee with the warden, because I worked my way out of the hole. So, I come here today advocating for people that does not have a voice. I was at the reentry meeting at DelTech uh last week. They had a reentry meeting. And the Chief Chief of Staff of the prison system looking forward to working with me in the program in the reentry program with the prison system. So, I just want to say that.","topics_json":"[\"public_safety\"]","vector_id":"vec_seg_101612_36","created_at":"2026-10-31T08:06:36Z","speaker_name":null},{"id":"seg_101612_360","meeting_id":"101612","media_asset_id":"med_101612_222f4db39d42ac83","agenda_item_id":null,"speaker_id":"off_andre_m_boggerty","speaker_confidence":0.95,"start_sec":7758.5,"end_sec":7773.9,"text":"By dissent, the motion carries. Um, item number one: Update on the safety concerns on East Loockerman Street. Uh, Jason Lyon, our assistant city manager, um, I call him. And I also wait for my, uh, committee members to join us.","topics_json":"[\"public_safety\"]","vector_id":"vec_seg_101612_360","created_at":"2026-10-31T08:06:37Z","speaker_name":"Andre M. Boggerty"},{"id":"seg_101612_361","meeting_id":"101612","media_asset_id":"med_101612_222f4db39d42ac83","agenda_item_id":null,"speaker_id":"off_andre_m_boggerty","speaker_confidence":0.95,"start_sec":7774,"end_sec":7775.9,"text":"Greetings, Doctor, how you doing?","topics_json":"[]","vector_id":"vec_seg_101612_361","created_at":"2026-10-31T08:06:37Z","speaker_name":"Andre M. Boggerty"},{"id":"seg_101612_362","meeting_id":"101612","media_asset_id":"med_101612_222f4db39d42ac83","agenda_item_id":null,"speaker_id":"off_julia_m_pillsbury","speaker_confidence":0.9,"start_sec":7776,"end_sec":7777.9,"text":"Good. How are you?","topics_json":"[]","vector_id":"vec_seg_101612_362","created_at":"2026-10-31T08:06:37Z","speaker_name":"Julia M. Pillsbury"},{"id":"seg_101612_363","meeting_id":"101612","media_asset_id":"med_101612_222f4db39d42ac83","agenda_item_id":null,"speaker_id":"off_andre_m_boggerty","speaker_confidence":0.95,"start_sec":7778,"end_sec":7784.7,"text":"Thank you, I apologize for my tardiness. Thank you for your patience as well. It's served so diligent. Uh, Assistant City Manager, it's yours.","topics_json":"[]","vector_id":"vec_seg_101612_363","created_at":"2026-10-31T08:06:37Z","speaker_name":"Andre M. Boggerty"},{"id":"seg_101612_364","meeting_id":"101612","media_asset_id":"med_101612_222f4db39d42ac83","agenda_item_id":null,"speaker_id":"spk_101612_jason_lyon","speaker_confidence":0.95,"start_sec":7786.9,"end_sec":7909.9,"text":"Good evening, Chair, fellow committee members, Council, Mayor, and Team Dover. My name is Jason Lyon, Assistant City Manager with the City of Dover. I come before you tonight with an update on a, um, a safety topic that we had, um, most recently in January on East Loockerman Street. So just to recap of what we had talked about back then, the committee provided direction to our team to put up a temporary closure on East Loockerman Street as you're heading east, like past the of Burger King. The road has had a temporary closure, uh, since July, and we've performed some studies on the street, um, and now we're going to provide a long-term solution, uh, to this to this body. Next slide, please. So, again, the temporary closure started in July. We put this information out. We hand-delivered these notices to each individual within the area of concern. We put this on social media, and the next slide will show the affected area. This is a recap. Go to the next slide, please. Thank you. Uh, all of East Loockerman Street out to, um, Oak Grove Road, sorry, Division Street, uh, Michener and Washington Avenue. So this is the area of concern. Over 100 residents are in that area. Uh, next slide. Uh, okay, so one of the topics that we brought up at the original discussion of closing this road was what kind of impact would it have on emergency access, emergency vehicles. So what we have, uh, in front of you is two different routes from Robbins Hose number two to, uh, different locations within Loockerman Street with the closure. So you'll notice the next slide shows a about a 1 to 2 minute differential to get to the location, um, with the light-colored, uh, Google Map, uh, direction there. Keep that in mind as we continue this discussion. Next slide, please.","topics_json":"[\"public_safety\"]","vector_id":"vec_seg_101612_364","created_at":"2026-10-31T08:06:37Z","speaker_name":"Jason Lyon"},{"id":"seg_101612_365","meeting_id":"101612","media_asset_id":"med_101612_222f4db39d42ac83","agenda_item_id":null,"speaker_id":"spk_101612_jason_lyon","speaker_confidence":0.95,"start_sec":7916.4,"end_sec":8029.4,"text":"So, considerations for what we were doing: we, uh, partnered with other team members into the city, uh, most notably the Police Department, who provided speed studies. So you'll see some data up here that shows that there was decreases, as you would imagine, in speeding with that entrance closed off. Um, that seems pretty self-explanatory. Uh, it should be noted that the 85th percentile speed decreased 4 mph. That's significant. Um, and then the fastest speed decreased 6 mph. So with the constituents that came to complain about speed in this area, having that road closed does show a difference. Uh, there is, uh, while the volume drops significantly, just the average speed did drop as well. Uh, and on a 25 mph road, a 4 mph speed differential is significant, so just keep that in mind. Um, again, I mentioned the the the potential 1 to 2 minute response delay would be would be, uh, potentially had with a closure. We did receive some comments from the residents about how would emergency vehicles get to our house. Uh, I did not Our team did not receive any complaints about access to their property with the road closure. Now, whether that's just because they sensed it, and it's there, and they got used to it, um, but again, did not receive any complaints about that. Next slide, please.","topics_json":"[\"public_safety\"]","vector_id":"vec_seg_101612_365","created_at":"2026-10-31T08:06:37Z","speaker_name":"Jason Lyon"},{"id":"seg_101612_366","meeting_id":"101612","media_asset_id":"med_101612_222f4db39d42ac83","agenda_item_id":null,"speaker_id":"spk_101612_jason_lyon","speaker_confidence":0.95,"start_sec":8029.9,"end_sec":8147.9,"text":"So, uh, what we are trying to do is an effective, efficient, and economical solution to this problem. There is a one-way aspect to this road that, um, has been asked to be closed permanently, but we also have concerns about emergency access. And we all know that 1 to 2 minutes, um, is a very significant amount of time when there's a fire or an emergency response. So, uh, we've had requests to put bollards up there or having the, um, automatic gate put up there, but all these things cost a lot of money and they are mechanical and they're doomed to fail. So we have come up with an idea very very similar to what you see on the screen before you, of a passover on Route 1, for example, where there's authorized vehicles turn only. Uh, and I know that there's going to be some folks that say, \"Well, people are just going to drive through there anyway.\" That could be, but this is enforceable. Um, so we we can be partnered with the Police Department, Fire Department, Public Works Department. We're all in agreement that this is a solution that I believe is sound, effective, and efficient. Um, and it will allow emergency vehicles to go down that that that access. So if you go to the next slide, it's a visual of what it would look like with the proposal. So, as you see on the left side of your screen, the current configuration has these two red diamonds that are typically used at a T-intersection to deter people from going straight across a T-intersection. Um, in this situation, it was really just showing it's kind of like a you know, hey, just look out where you're going. So the proposal is to install the do not enter, and uh, this sign may be a little hard for you to see, but it's, uh, essentially saying emergency and authorized use only. And again, this is enforceable, so if people do go down this road, uh, incorrectly, uh, they are subject to their fine. Um, again, I we believe that this is a very effective and efficient solution to the problem. I'd be happy to answer any questions from this body.","topics_json":"[\"public_safety\"]","vector_id":"vec_seg_101612_366","created_at":"2026-10-31T08:06:37Z","speaker_name":"Jason Lyon"},{"id":"seg_101612_367","meeting_id":"101612","media_asset_id":"med_101612_222f4db39d42ac83","agenda_item_id":null,"speaker_id":"off_andre_m_boggerty","speaker_confidence":0.95,"start_sec":8150.9,"end_sec":8176.4,"text":"I just want to say that I did receive a call from, um, neighbors in that or emails from neighbors in that, uh, in that area, and they were very appreciative and said they had not There you are in the back. There you are. I was waiting. So, you know, I heard through Reggie emails and they were very appreciative and they were walking their children now or with a little bit more, uh, comfort and, um, enjoying, uh, their neighborhood a little more. So I just wanted to speak on behalf of of the constituents, uh, um, who who who did contact me. That's all. Any other questions from the committee? Uh, the chair recognizes Councilman Rocha.","topics_json":"[\"public_safety\"]","vector_id":"vec_seg_101612_367","created_at":"2026-10-31T08:06:37Z","speaker_name":"Andre M. Boggerty"},{"id":"seg_101612_368","meeting_id":"101612","media_asset_id":"med_101612_222f4db39d42ac83","agenda_item_id":null,"speaker_id":"off_gerald_l_rocha_sr","speaker_confidence":0.95,"start_sec":8176.9,"end_sec":8191.7,"text":"Thank you, Mr. Chairman. Um, Mr. Lyon, do we know that when the we had the temporary barricade, uh, there, were there any emergency responses that happened or occurred during that time?","topics_json":"[\"public_safety\"]","vector_id":"vec_seg_101612_368","created_at":"2026-10-31T08:06:37Z","speaker_name":"Gerald L. Rocha, Sr."},{"id":"seg_101612_369","meeting_id":"101612","media_asset_id":"med_101612_222f4db39d42ac83","agenda_item_id":null,"speaker_id":"spk_101612_jason_lyon","speaker_confidence":0.95,"start_sec":8191.9,"end_sec":8206.4,"text":"I I am not privy to that information. I can certainly research that if the body likes. Um, my assumption would be that they would just find the other entrances to the development, which is there there are two ways to be accessed into this development without this block, but I can find that information for you.","topics_json":"[\"public_safety\"]","vector_id":"vec_seg_101612_369","created_at":"2026-10-31T08:06:37Z","speaker_name":"Jason Lyon"},{"id":"seg_101612_37","meeting_id":"101612","media_asset_id":"med_101612_222f4db39d42ac83","agenda_item_id":null,"speaker_id":"off_david_l_anderson","speaker_confidence":0.95,"start_sec":1732.65,"end_sec":1753.65,"text":"Thank you. Uh Dr. Sudler, um Councilman Boggerty, Councilwoman Arndt, and uh Dr. Sudler and Mr. Lewis? Uh, let's spend a- we did Mr. Lewis, uh glad- we're to go online first while we, know we have a strong connection. Uh, Councilman Lewis?","topics_json":"[]","vector_id":"vec_seg_101612_37","created_at":"2026-10-31T08:06:36Z","speaker_name":"David L. Anderson"},{"id":"seg_101612_370","meeting_id":"101612","media_asset_id":"med_101612_222f4db39d42ac83","agenda_item_id":null,"speaker_id":"off_gerald_l_rocha_sr","speaker_confidence":0.95,"start_sec":8207.4,"end_sec":8250.4,"text":"Yeah, I would I would like to know. I mean, so the sign is a deterrent, but I'm pretty sure, I don't know if it's going to slow down or people are going to honor the sign, you know what I mean? So that shit, um, as a traffic, a traffic-calming mechanism, I think I'm still leaning towards blocking the entrance permanently, but it would be nice to know if if there was an emergency response and, uh, I know the chief's not here, but I know he had mentioned Police? Is the chief No, no, no, uh, Fire Chief. Yeah, Chief Carey mentioned he gave a the number of how many seconds when responding to a fire. And 1 to 2 minutes is probably not good when it comes to that response. But, uh, you know, um, you know, that that still doesn't sway me the way I'm thinking, you know, as far as permanently blocking. I know there's another entrance and the fire station almost sits in between both sides, so I figure if you went down Division Street, you probably could shave off some time and still get there. Um, but, you know, I'm not an expert in that area, but I know that there has been safety issues involving children, and I'd rather try to get the most best of both worlds in that in that scenario. So with that, I yield.","topics_json":"[\"public_safety\"]","vector_id":"vec_seg_101612_370","created_at":"2026-10-31T08:06:37Z","speaker_name":"Gerald L. Rocha, Sr."},{"id":"seg_101612_371","meeting_id":"101612","media_asset_id":"med_101612_222f4db39d42ac83","agenda_item_id":null,"speaker_id":"off_andre_m_boggerty","speaker_confidence":0.95,"start_sec":8250.9,"end_sec":8252.9,"text":"Thank you. The chair recognizes Councilman Lewis.","topics_json":"[]","vector_id":"vec_seg_101612_371","created_at":"2026-10-31T08:06:37Z","speaker_name":"Andre M. Boggerty"},{"id":"seg_101612_372","meeting_id":"101612","media_asset_id":"med_101612_222f4db39d42ac83","agenda_item_id":null,"speaker_id":"off_brian_e_lewis","speaker_confidence":0.95,"start_sec":8253.9,"end_sec":8257.55,"text":"Thank you. Um, I really don't think your proposal's going to work, Mr. Lyon, because, um, actually that—","topics_json":"[\"public_safety\"]","vector_id":"vec_seg_101612_372","created_at":"2026-10-31T08:06:37Z","speaker_name":"Brian E. Lewis"},{"id":"seg_101612_373","meeting_id":"101612","media_asset_id":"med_101612_222f4db39d42ac83","agenda_item_id":null,"speaker_id":"off_brian_e_lewis","speaker_confidence":1,"start_sec":8257.54,"end_sec":8349.04,"text":"it used to be my district uh until it was um redistricted a couple years ago. And uh some of the residents over there um still call me and they have concerns uh with the speed. Um you know you say that uh that they actually had a sign up there at one time because uh I've been over in this area for uh at least 25 years now, and they actually did have a do not enter sign, but people disregarded it, rushing to work, rushing home, wherever the case may be, and they went down there. Um the barriers have made a difference from my understanding, uh from hearing from the residents over there. Um I understand, you know, the situation with the fire department, uh but I agree with Mr. Rocha. I I think that uh, you know, there there still would be enough time um to to get to a fire or whatever the case may be. Um I I really uh don't think that you put that for another do not enter sign, um it's going to be enforced. Uh first of all, there's uh not enough police officers to sit there and enforce it uh unless you're going to put a camera there. You know, you're going to put a license plate reader camera up there and you know click the tag numbers of people uh committing the violations? Um so that's where I stand on this. It's uh it's not going to work. And that's all I have at this time.","topics_json":"[\"public_safety\"]","vector_id":"vec_seg_101612_373","created_at":"2026-10-31T08:06:37Z","speaker_name":"Brian E. Lewis"},{"id":"seg_101612_374","meeting_id":"101612","media_asset_id":"med_101612_222f4db39d42ac83","agenda_item_id":null,"speaker_id":"off_andre_m_boggerty","speaker_confidence":1,"start_sec":8349.04,"end_sec":8353.74,"text":"Thank you. The chair recognizes uh Councilman Dr. Sudler.","topics_json":"[]","vector_id":"vec_seg_101612_374","created_at":"2026-10-31T08:06:37Z","speaker_name":"Andre M. Boggerty"},{"id":"seg_101612_375","meeting_id":"101612","media_asset_id":"med_101612_222f4db39d42ac83","agenda_item_id":null,"speaker_id":"off_roy_sudler_jr","speaker_confidence":1,"start_sec":8353.74,"end_sec":8449.34,"text":"Thank you, Chairman Boggerty. That's exactly where I was headed. Um I think that you should put a camera there and I think that maybe you should put two signs that says do not enter, one on both sides, and then a camera there. The camera helps enforce it. We're already moving towards um cameras in different locations of the city, and that could be used as like a a pilot program to see whether or not uh the camera being there will A, deter, and B, um generate revenue if they want if they want to, you know, not adhere. And then I would put a hefty fine, like, you know, I wouldn't put no $100. I would make it sort of a um make them think about it. If I saw something that says a $500 fine if you, you know, surpass this, and it not a fire apparatus. I would put only emergency apparatuses and a camera there. Every car that goes by there that's $500, that must that $500 spend, we'll take it. That's how I look at it. Um you have to have they want to take the, you know, they want you know, we have to have some type of hefty penalty to deter. $25, $50, $100, that's nothing. $500, $1,000, and make progressive. The first account, your first offense, $500. The second, a thousand. You know, and and that's how I would do it, and put a camera there and and it'll read the tag and then put a sign there, only emergency apparatuses can go beyond this point. Done. Get that money.","topics_json":"[\"public_safety\",\"budget\"]","vector_id":"vec_seg_101612_375","created_at":"2026-10-31T08:06:37Z","speaker_name":"Roy Sudler, Jr."},{"id":"seg_101612_376","meeting_id":"101612","media_asset_id":"med_101612_222f4db39d42ac83","agenda_item_id":null,"speaker_id":"off_andre_m_boggerty","speaker_confidence":1,"start_sec":8449.34,"end_sec":8452.04,"text":"Thank you. Put Commissioner Jason Lyon.","topics_json":"[]","vector_id":"vec_seg_101612_376","created_at":"2026-10-31T08:06:37Z","speaker_name":"Andre M. Boggerty"},{"id":"seg_101612_377","meeting_id":"101612","media_asset_id":"med_101612_222f4db39d42ac83","agenda_item_id":null,"speaker_id":"spk_101612_jason_lyon","speaker_confidence":1,"start_sec":8452.04,"end_sec":8531.24,"text":"Thank you, Rick. Um I I understand all the points. I want to reiterate a couple things that I forgot to mention. [cough] Um we we looked at other options for traffic calming within the the network. The issue that we have with this road is that it's very narrow. So putting a chicane or any sort of deterrent is not feasible. I just want to make sure that's on the record. We did look at other options. Um I want to go back to the question Mr. Rocha had with regard to the timing. Um the the slideshow does have an example of going down Division Street versus going down Loockerman and there is a 1 to 2 minute difference in depending with Loockerman Street. So I want to make sure that's clear. Um and that's just based off of historical data, right? Um the camera aspect, uh of course that's going to cost money and management, right? So um I like to think that some people like to follow rules. And I hope that my kids will do that, right? So that is the the genesis of this, trying to be effective and and economical. So totally understand everyone's point. I get it. Uh we'd have to look at the feasibility of of raising those fines. I'm not in a position to tell you right now if that's legal or not. Um so we can certainly do some research with state.","topics_json":"[\"public_safety\",\"budget\"]","vector_id":"vec_seg_101612_377","created_at":"2026-10-31T08:06:37Z","speaker_name":"Jason Lyon"},{"id":"seg_101612_378","meeting_id":"101612","media_asset_id":"med_101612_222f4db39d42ac83","agenda_item_id":null,"speaker_id":"off_roy_sudler_jr","speaker_confidence":1,"start_sec":8531.24,"end_sec":8571.44,"text":"All right. And thank you. Um yeah, okay, being that City Council is the legislative body that governs this city, what would be the restriction for us to raise a a hefty fine on our road? As you may, I mean I'm not challenging you, I'm just saying like to your knowledge, what would restrict us from putting a 50 $500 fine um if they go, so I get how how, you know, how does Delaware regulate? So yeah, I refer to the attorney, safety, maybe Chief you have any option, you have a domain? Absolutely.","topics_json":"[\"public_safety\"]","vector_id":"vec_seg_101612_378","created_at":"2026-10-31T08:06:37Z","speaker_name":"Roy Sudler, Jr."},{"id":"seg_101612_379","meeting_id":"101612","media_asset_id":"med_101612_222f4db39d42ac83","agenda_item_id":null,"speaker_id":"off_andre_m_boggerty","speaker_confidence":1,"start_sec":8571.44,"end_sec":8591.14,"text":"The chair recognizes uh Chief Johnson to answer any questions regarding the um the fee structure, um or fine structure. This won't be a fee, let me use the correct terminology. The fine structure for a traffic incident.","topics_json":"[\"public_safety\"]","vector_id":"vec_seg_101612_379","created_at":"2026-10-31T08:06:37Z","speaker_name":"Andre M. Boggerty"},{"id":"seg_101612_38","meeting_id":"101612","media_asset_id":"med_101612_222f4db39d42ac83","agenda_item_id":null,"speaker_id":"off_fred_a_neil","speaker_confidence":0.9,"start_sec":1758.45,"end_sec":1761.15,"text":"Can't hear you. That's a good connection.","topics_json":"[]","vector_id":"vec_seg_101612_38","created_at":"2026-10-31T08:06:36Z","speaker_name":"Fred A. Neil"},{"id":"seg_101612_380","meeting_id":"101612","media_asset_id":"med_101612_222f4db39d42ac83","agenda_item_id":null,"speaker_id":"off_roy_sudler_jr","speaker_confidence":1,"start_sec":8591.14,"end_sec":8595.34,"text":"Uh, just for I see I got you. I appreciate it.","topics_json":"[]","vector_id":"vec_seg_101612_380","created_at":"2026-10-31T08:06:37Z","speaker_name":"Roy Sudler, Jr."},{"id":"seg_101612_381","meeting_id":"101612","media_asset_id":"med_101612_222f4db39d42ac83","agenda_item_id":null,"speaker_id":"spk_101612_thomas_johnson","speaker_confidence":1,"start_sec":8595.34,"end_sec":8633.54,"text":"For the record, Tom Johnson, Chief of Police. Um, if I was tracking the question appropriately, you're asking whether or not um local authority can establish an ordinance that creates a traffic violation that you could assign a value to and make it enforceable, if as long as I was tracking that right. Correct. Okay. Um, I believe you can do that. I believe you have statutory authority to do that.","topics_json":"[\"public_safety\"]","vector_id":"vec_seg_101612_381","created_at":"2026-10-31T08:06:37Z","speaker_name":"Thomas Johnson"},{"id":"seg_101612_382","meeting_id":"101612","media_asset_id":"med_101612_222f4db39d42ac83","agenda_item_id":null,"speaker_id":"spk_101612_thomas_johnson","speaker_confidence":1,"start_sec":8633.54,"end_sec":8673.24,"text":"What what I was just trying to get the chair's attention about is the use of digital technology to enforce one-way violations. I'm not sure that that's authorized in the code for us to function that way. There's there's specific authorization for red lights, and we're stepping onto the stage of speed enforcement through use of digital technology. I don't know that any of my officers would be allowed to file any kind of violation based on reviewing um video, um whether we own it or whether it's supplied video. I'm not sure, I'm not sure we're able to do that. I'm not saying we can't, but I'm not feeling like we can, and I I'd like to double check that aspect if you were going to continue down the road of discussing technology for enforcement.","topics_json":"[\"public_safety\"]","vector_id":"vec_seg_101612_382","created_at":"2026-10-31T08:06:37Z","speaker_name":"Thomas Johnson"},{"id":"seg_101612_383","meeting_id":"101612","media_asset_id":"med_101612_222f4db39d42ac83","agenda_item_id":null,"speaker_id":"off_roy_sudler_jr","speaker_confidence":1,"start_sec":8673.24,"end_sec":8678.44,"text":"Thank you. Um can you please look into that?","topics_json":"[\"public_safety\"]","vector_id":"vec_seg_101612_383","created_at":"2026-10-31T08:06:37Z","speaker_name":"Roy Sudler, Jr."},{"id":"seg_101612_384","meeting_id":"101612","media_asset_id":"med_101612_222f4db39d42ac83","agenda_item_id":null,"speaker_id":"spk_101612_thomas_johnson","speaker_confidence":1,"start_sec":8678.44,"end_sec":8681.04,"text":"Most certainly. I just I don't have the answer for you tonight.","topics_json":"[]","vector_id":"vec_seg_101612_384","created_at":"2026-10-31T08:06:37Z","speaker_name":"Thomas Johnson"},{"id":"seg_101612_385","meeting_id":"101612","media_asset_id":"med_101612_222f4db39d42ac83","agenda_item_id":null,"speaker_id":"off_roy_sudler_jr","speaker_confidence":1,"start_sec":8681.04,"end_sec":8763.24,"text":"And that's all right. I know you don't have it tonight and that's okay. Um but if you can provide that to us, I think it'd be helpful in how we assess um how we want to continue to govern um, you know, safety, traffic safety and and address these matters here, because to my knowledge and the years I've been on council and committees, this is a city council city-manager form of government and we drive the legislative component and and cities have their own home rule um authorization. And if they feel as though that is the best um course of action, all we have to do is an ordinance and and make sure it's within the confinement of of of state, federal statutes. Uh but we have home rule, we you know, just like when we do um fees and and um you know, just like we're talking about infrastructure fee, I believe we have home rule and I haven't seen anything different, so if you can definitely just take a look at that and um maybe do an email or maybe on the chair, if you can provide it to the committee as a whole through the through the chair uh Chairman Boggerty, uh and disseminate it to you know, upon his approval, disseminate it to the rest of us. I think I I know I would like to know moving forward. Thank you. I yield.","topics_json":"[\"public_safety\"]","vector_id":"vec_seg_101612_385","created_at":"2026-10-31T08:06:37Z","speaker_name":"Roy Sudler, Jr."},{"id":"seg_101612_386","meeting_id":"101612","media_asset_id":"med_101612_222f4db39d42ac83","agenda_item_id":null,"speaker_id":"off_andre_m_boggerty","speaker_confidence":1,"start_sec":8763.24,"end_sec":8766.34,"text":"Uh thank you. Um yes, Chief.","topics_json":"[]","vector_id":"vec_seg_101612_386","created_at":"2026-10-31T08:06:37Z","speaker_name":"Andre M. Boggerty"},{"id":"seg_101612_387","meeting_id":"101612","media_asset_id":"med_101612_222f4db39d42ac83","agenda_item_id":null,"speaker_id":"spk_101612_thomas_johnson","speaker_confidence":1,"start_sec":8766.34,"end_sec":8801.64,"text":"I just wanted to add um I can report back um very quickly on that. And the other thing I would remind council of, not too long ago we adopted uh a stronger ordinance for off-highway vehicles uh based on um the state law in its um draft at that time. It has since been updated, but that has not impacted um the ordinance that you adopted a couple of years ago. So you clearly have the ability to um take pieces of the vehicle code if you'd like to codify it locally. You you absolutely can do that.","topics_json":"[\"public_safety\"]","vector_id":"vec_seg_101612_387","created_at":"2026-10-31T08:06:37Z","speaker_name":"Thomas Johnson"},{"id":"seg_101612_388","meeting_id":"101612","media_asset_id":"med_101612_222f4db39d42ac83","agenda_item_id":null,"speaker_id":"off_andre_m_boggerty","speaker_confidence":1,"start_sec":8801.64,"end_sec":8807.54,"text":"All right, thank you. Um the chair recognizes uh the Mayor.","topics_json":"[]","vector_id":"vec_seg_101612_388","created_at":"2026-10-31T08:06:37Z","speaker_name":"Andre M. Boggerty"},{"id":"seg_101612_389","meeting_id":"101612","media_asset_id":"med_101612_222f4db39d42ac83","agenda_item_id":null,"speaker_id":"off_robin_r_christiansen","speaker_confidence":1,"start_sec":8807.54,"end_sec":8945.54,"text":"Thank you uh, Mr. Chairman. It would not be my intent to uh represent the Fire Chief or his opinions, but um uh as a firefighter from Robbins Hose Company for over 50 years, one of our uh rapid emergency response routes from fire station number one, downtown headquarters company, has always been uh to respond to Division Street to head east. Uh as a operator of a piece of fire apparatus, I think that uh, and this is my own personal opinion, uh the easier response route would be Division Street uh and swinging off of the side streets into uh the East Dover uh area. I think that uh successfully we've prevented uh traffic from going through there and I think that uh we probably should continue in that direction. Uh let me also reiterate, time is of the essence in in a fire call as Chief Johnson as a past chief of his own department, as an officer in Dover Fire Department myself uh many years ago. Uh, however, I think the the more rapid response uh would be for fire apparatus to respond to that area, and I'm not sure what the call volume is over there, I wish we would have been able to pull that up, uh would be to respond uh from the downtown firehouse uh head east on Division and swing in into that uh into that development uh. Just basically also because of the size of the apparatus that has to go through there. Uh and uh I'm not so sure responding down Loockerman Street, uh we've done that for years to get to um to southeast of town and uh because of the traffic situation uh we no longer respond down Loockerman Street unless it's absolutely necessary. So uh I think the uh Division Street response route is uh is more proper in my opinion, but let me let me reiterate that again that I'm not speaking for the fire chief nor am I speaking for the fire department, I'm speaking from personal experience. I yield, Mr. Chairman.","topics_json":"[\"public_safety\"]","vector_id":"vec_seg_101612_389","created_at":"2026-10-31T08:06:37Z","speaker_name":"Robin R. Christiansen"},{"id":"seg_101612_39","meeting_id":"101612","media_asset_id":"med_101612_222f4db39d42ac83","agenda_item_id":null,"speaker_id":"off_david_l_anderson","speaker_confidence":0.95,"start_sec":1764.65,"end_sec":1772.65,"text":"Uh, please, uh Councilman Lewis, please start over. Uh, because we don't hear you yet. Now we can.","topics_json":"[]","vector_id":"vec_seg_101612_39","created_at":"2026-10-31T08:06:36Z","speaker_name":"David L. Anderson"},{"id":"seg_101612_390","meeting_id":"101612","media_asset_id":"med_101612_222f4db39d42ac83","agenda_item_id":null,"speaker_id":"off_andre_m_boggerty","speaker_confidence":1,"start_sec":8945.54,"end_sec":8950.24,"text":"All right, thank you. The chair recognizes Councilman Lewis online.","topics_json":"[]","vector_id":"vec_seg_101612_390","created_at":"2026-10-31T08:06:37Z","speaker_name":"Andre M. Boggerty"},{"id":"seg_101612_391","meeting_id":"101612","media_asset_id":"med_101612_222f4db39d42ac83","agenda_item_id":null,"speaker_id":"off_brian_e_lewis","speaker_confidence":1,"start_sec":8950.24,"end_sec":8969.44,"text":"Yes, I have a question for the Chief uh, and and let's be factually speaking, do you have enough resources to put a police officer over there to conduct traffic enforcement if in fact uh this proposal was approved?","topics_json":"[\"public_safety\"]","vector_id":"vec_seg_101612_391","created_at":"2026-10-31T08:06:37Z","speaker_name":"Brian E. Lewis"},{"id":"seg_101612_392","meeting_id":"101612","media_asset_id":"med_101612_222f4db39d42ac83","agenda_item_id":null,"speaker_id":"spk_101612_thomas_johnson","speaker_confidence":1,"start_sec":8969.44,"end_sec":8995.04,"text":"Um, if you're I guess the short answer is no. Would it be part of the regular rotation, if council asked for it to be in the regular rotation of enforcement, it certainly would, but that level of enforcement right now would not be, I don't believe, frequent enough to show any major shift in in driver behavior if we were having a problem over there. It wouldn't be enough.","topics_json":"[\"public_safety\"]","vector_id":"vec_seg_101612_392","created_at":"2026-10-31T08:06:37Z","speaker_name":"Thomas Johnson"},{"id":"seg_101612_393","meeting_id":"101612","media_asset_id":"med_101612_222f4db39d42ac83","agenda_item_id":null,"speaker_id":"off_brian_e_lewis","speaker_confidence":1,"start_sec":8995.04,"end_sec":9029.04,"text":"I mean let's face the facts. You and I have discussed this uh as far as uh speed. You know, we still have speed issues, but uh when it was a major issue in my district uh a couple years ago, and I and I got those uh radar enforcement signs, um you had indicated that you don't have enough resources to put a cop on every corner to uh hit those speed traps. So, I mean I'm sure that the way it stands now, you're not going to have the resources to put a cop there to try and ban people from entering a do not enter street. Am I correct?","topics_json":"[\"public_safety\"]","vector_id":"vec_seg_101612_393","created_at":"2026-10-31T08:06:37Z","speaker_name":"Brian E. Lewis"},{"id":"seg_101612_394","meeting_id":"101612","media_asset_id":"med_101612_222f4db39d42ac83","agenda_item_id":null,"speaker_id":"spk_101612_thomas_johnson","speaker_confidence":1,"start_sec":9029.04,"end_sec":9047.24,"text":"I think that's a correct characterization. I just I just want to make sure it's clear we have some capacity, and it wouldn't be that we would never be there, but it probably would never be enough in the eyes of the individuals looking for a definitive change.","topics_json":"[\"public_safety\"]","vector_id":"vec_seg_101612_394","created_at":"2026-10-31T08:06:37Z","speaker_name":"Thomas Johnson"},{"id":"seg_101612_395","meeting_id":"101612","media_asset_id":"med_101612_222f4db39d42ac83","agenda_item_id":null,"speaker_id":"off_brian_e_lewis","speaker_confidence":1,"start_sec":9047.24,"end_sec":9063.54,"text":"Understood. Uh my next question uh to Mr. Lyon, how much would it cost the city to close off that road and would we be able to get any grant money if it were approved?","topics_json":"[\"budget\",\"public_safety\"]","vector_id":"vec_seg_101612_395","created_at":"2026-10-31T08:06:37Z","speaker_name":"Brian E. Lewis"},{"id":"seg_101612_396","meeting_id":"101612","media_asset_id":"med_101612_222f4db39d42ac83","agenda_item_id":null,"speaker_id":"spk_101612_jason_lyon","speaker_confidence":1,"start_sec":9063.54,"end_sec":9068.74,"text":"Are you asking if you want to have a permanent wall put up, bollards?","topics_json":"[\"public_safety\"]","vector_id":"vec_seg_101612_396","created_at":"2026-10-31T08:06:37Z","speaker_name":"Jason Lyon"},{"id":"seg_101612_397","meeting_id":"101612","media_asset_id":"med_101612_222f4db39d42ac83","agenda_item_id":null,"speaker_id":"off_brian_e_lewis","speaker_confidence":1,"start_sec":9068.74,"end_sec":9079.04,"text":"Correct, or a a uh cement barrier uh or a cement curb where you could not enter.","topics_json":"[\"public_safety\"]","vector_id":"vec_seg_101612_397","created_at":"2026-10-31T08:06:37Z","speaker_name":"Brian E. Lewis"},{"id":"seg_101612_398","meeting_id":"101612","media_asset_id":"med_101612_222f4db39d42ac83","agenda_item_id":null,"speaker_id":"spk_101612_jason_lyon","speaker_confidence":1,"start_sec":9079.04,"end_sec":9081.74,"text":"Uh, I don't have that number at the","topics_json":"[]","vector_id":"vec_seg_101612_398","created_at":"2026-10-31T08:06:37Z","speaker_name":"Jason Lyon"},{"id":"seg_101612_399","meeting_id":"101612","media_asset_id":"med_101612_222f4db39d42ac83","agenda_item_id":null,"speaker_id":"off_brian_e_lewis","speaker_confidence":1,"start_sec":9081.74,"end_sec":9084.44,"text":"close off that that close off that section of the street.","topics_json":"[\"public_safety\"]","vector_id":"vec_seg_101612_399","created_at":"2026-10-31T08:06:37Z","speaker_name":"Brian E. Lewis"},{"id":"seg_101612_4","meeting_id":"101612","media_asset_id":"med_101612_222f4db39d42ac83","agenda_item_id":null,"speaker_id":"off_david_l_anderson","speaker_confidence":0.95,"start_sec":23.06,"end_sec":29.99,"text":"Been moved by Councilwoman Arndt, seconded by Councilman Rocha to approve the agenda. Are there amendments or discussion? Seeing none, all in favor?","topics_json":"[]","vector_id":"vec_seg_101612_4","created_at":"2026-10-31T08:06:36Z","speaker_name":"David L. Anderson"},{"id":"seg_101612_40","meeting_id":"101612","media_asset_id":"med_101612_222f4db39d42ac83","agenda_item_id":null,"speaker_id":"off_brian_e_lewis","speaker_confidence":0.95,"start_sec":1773.65,"end_sec":1803.65,"text":"Okay. Um, I was saying um, Mr. Wilson, I think your program is a uh honorable thing and uh in particular assisting the community I think is vital. But uh I have two questions. Uh my first question is uh the city just got out of, or actually squeaked by a major deficit, and funds are kind of tight. Have you reached out to the state and federal government uh to see if you get any assistance from them?","topics_json":"[\"budget\"]","vector_id":"vec_seg_101612_40","created_at":"2026-10-31T08:06:36Z","speaker_name":"Brian E. Lewis"},{"id":"seg_101612_400","meeting_id":"101612","media_asset_id":"med_101612_222f4db39d42ac83","agenda_item_id":null,"speaker_id":"spk_101612_jason_lyon","speaker_confidence":1,"start_sec":9084.44,"end_sec":9099.54,"text":"Okay. Uh let let me get back to you on that. I'm going to have to look at different options. Um I would say off the cuff, it's probably less than maybe $1,000 to $2,000 depending on what we do, but I'll get back to you on that, Mr. Lewis.","topics_json":"[\"budget\",\"public_safety\"]","vector_id":"vec_seg_101612_400","created_at":"2026-10-31T08:06:37Z","speaker_name":"Jason Lyon"},{"id":"seg_101612_401","meeting_id":"101612","media_asset_id":"med_101612_222f4db39d42ac83","agenda_item_id":null,"speaker_id":"off_brian_e_lewis","speaker_confidence":1,"start_sec":9099.54,"end_sec":9102.24,"text":"Okay. That's all I have. Thank you.","topics_json":"[]","vector_id":"vec_seg_101612_401","created_at":"2026-10-31T08:06:37Z","speaker_name":"Brian E. Lewis"},{"id":"seg_101612_402","meeting_id":"101612","media_asset_id":"med_101612_222f4db39d42ac83","agenda_item_id":null,"speaker_id":"off_andre_m_boggerty","speaker_confidence":1,"start_sec":9102.24,"end_sec":9110.24,"text":"All right, thank you. All right, so um thank you uh, Chief, thank you all. The chair recognizes Councilwoman Arndt.","topics_json":"[]","vector_id":"vec_seg_101612_402","created_at":"2026-10-31T08:06:37Z","speaker_name":"Andre M. Boggerty"},{"id":"seg_101612_403","meeting_id":"101612","media_asset_id":"med_101612_222f4db39d42ac83","agenda_item_id":null,"speaker_id":"off_tricia_k_arndt","speaker_confidence":1,"start_sec":9110.24,"end_sec":9167.04,"text":"Thank you. Um I agree. I think if you see a do not enter sign, uh a big red sign, uh most people would not continue down that path. I like the idea of exploring a significant fine and noting it on the sign. $500, I think that would be a certain certainly a deterrent. I caution against a permanent closure, uh a structure that cannot be removed in that, should there be a situation on the highway where the intersection is blocked there at 13 and and Division, um being able to route traffic in an emergency situation and having this as an alternative, I don't think it's ever happened, but to have that as an alternative only when necessary, I would not recommend a permanent fixture to block that location. But I would support the sign and exploring the fine. I yield.","topics_json":"[\"public_safety\"]","vector_id":"vec_seg_101612_403","created_at":"2026-10-31T08:06:37Z","speaker_name":"Tricia K. Arndt"},{"id":"seg_101612_404","meeting_id":"101612","media_asset_id":"med_101612_222f4db39d42ac83","agenda_item_id":null,"speaker_id":"off_andre_m_boggerty","speaker_confidence":1,"start_sec":9167.04,"end_sec":9170.34,"text":"Thank you. The chair recognizes uh Councilman Rocha.","topics_json":"[]","vector_id":"vec_seg_101612_404","created_at":"2026-10-31T08:06:37Z","speaker_name":"Andre M. Boggerty"},{"id":"seg_101612_405","meeting_id":"101612","media_asset_id":"med_101612_222f4db39d42ac83","agenda_item_id":null,"speaker_id":"off_gerald_l_rocha_sr","speaker_confidence":1,"start_sec":9170.34,"end_sec":9191.84,"text":"Thank you, uh Mr. Chairman. So I I agree with what um Councilwoman Arndt said about permanent structure. I I would be leaning more towards having some type of a gate situation that in an emergency even for a fire response or somebody could just show up there and open the gate if if need be","topics_json":"[\"public_safety\"]","vector_id":"vec_seg_101612_405","created_at":"2026-10-31T08:06:37Z","speaker_name":"Gerald L. Rocha, Sr."},{"id":"seg_101612_406","meeting_id":"101612","media_asset_id":"med_101612_222f4db39d42ac83","agenda_item_id":null,"speaker_id":"off_robin_r_christiansen","speaker_confidence":1,"start_sec":9191.84,"end_sec":9194.34,"text":"We'll run We'll run through it.","topics_json":"[\"public_safety\"]","vector_id":"vec_seg_101612_406","created_at":"2026-10-31T08:06:37Z","speaker_name":"Robin R. Christiansen"},{"id":"seg_101612_407","meeting_id":"101612","media_asset_id":"med_101612_222f4db39d42ac83","agenda_item_id":null,"speaker_id":"off_gerald_l_rocha_sr","speaker_confidence":1,"start_sec":9194.34,"end_sec":9215.54,"text":"Run through it, whatever, but just, you know, um [laughter] something that uh we would be able to get access to, but not not nothing I wasn't thinking of anything permanent in that in that case. I yield.","topics_json":"[\"public_safety\"]","vector_id":"vec_seg_101612_407","created_at":"2026-10-31T08:06:37Z","speaker_name":"Gerald L. Rocha, Sr."},{"id":"seg_101612_408","meeting_id":"101612","media_asset_id":"med_101612_222f4db39d42ac83","agenda_item_id":null,"speaker_id":"off_andre_m_boggerty","speaker_confidence":1,"start_sec":9215.54,"end_sec":9218.54,"text":"Thank you. All right. Uh the chair recognizes Dr. Sudler.","topics_json":"[]","vector_id":"vec_seg_101612_408","created_at":"2026-10-31T08:06:37Z","speaker_name":"Andre M. Boggerty"},{"id":"seg_101612_409","meeting_id":"101612","media_asset_id":"med_101612_222f4db39d42ac83","agenda_item_id":null,"speaker_id":"off_roy_sudler_jr","speaker_confidence":1,"start_sec":9218.54,"end_sec":9287.54,"text":"Thank you, Chairman Boggerty. Um with regards to the gate, I was thinking maybe we have something like uh what they have with the rail railroad system and maybe where it's maybe like the uh the police or the police or the fire department has like a little signal or something where they can just almost like a a garage opener and it you know, and it opens and then it shuts. But that's a permanent barrier where no no car's really going to ride through that and then they sort of are they know not to do that, they have like you know, what they do at railroad system, once they see that thing down, they're like, okay, I'm not going that way even though they try to drive through it, might damage the vehicle. But I think something of that magnitude will be a great um happy medium because you still have the barrier, right? You still can it still can extend up so someone can go through and then having access, you know, the uh the emergency um you know, emergency apparatuses can have those have that access, so that's I think that's a great thought of a a mobile, but still's uh gate system. All right, thank you, Chairman Boggerty.","topics_json":"[\"public_safety\"]","vector_id":"vec_seg_101612_409","created_at":"2026-10-31T08:06:37Z","speaker_name":"Roy Sudler, Jr."},{"id":"seg_101612_41","meeting_id":"101612","media_asset_id":"med_101612_222f4db39d42ac83","agenda_item_id":null,"speaker_id":"spk_101612_mr_wilson","speaker_confidence":0.95,"start_sec":1804.15,"end_sec":1870.15,"text":"Presently, I'm reaching out to the county. And they have grants on the state level with DHSS that's going to be coming out, the SNAP grant that's going to be coming out. We applied it with the Wilmington program and we received the grant. That's how I got paid being in the Wilmington program. So, I don't know if Bob Hasenfratz is on the line. Are you on the line, Bob? But Bob Hasenfratz is the grant writer, and um he will he knows all the entities that have the grants in the state of Delaware, and we will be writing grants for the state of Delaware. I have been in contact with the county, um Mr. forgot the gentleman at the county, Bob, um one of the county commissioners. And uh they're interested. They're interested. Their thing is what does what what skin in the game does the city have? The the city has skin in the game, they want to make sure the city have skin in the game first, I guess. That's that was the question.","topics_json":"[\"budget\"]","vector_id":"vec_seg_101612_41","created_at":"2026-10-31T08:06:36Z","speaker_name":null},{"id":"seg_101612_410","meeting_id":"101612","media_asset_id":"med_101612_222f4db39d42ac83","agenda_item_id":null,"speaker_id":"off_andre_m_boggerty","speaker_confidence":1,"start_sec":9287.54,"end_sec":9332.54,"text":"All right, thank you. My uh only concern, and and and again, I'm I'm happy that we're seeing results is that we have other neighborhoods who have the same issue. Um, and then pretty soon we'll have a a city with with streets that are not accessible because they too have concerns um over in they're not here today, believe it or not, uh uh um Lincoln Park, that whole that area. So, you know, you know, we often, you know, hear about the challenges that they have over there, so, you know, once we do it in one place, and then we set what we call a precedent, and uh precedent, and then we have to do permanent structures and then our city uh look a little interesting. Um, and the safety impact will be um um um the challenges to our safety uh with fire and police, et cetera, will will will be will will increase of them assessing roads. So that's my only concern about doing that. I do believe we should do something, but maybe not as permanent structure and gates, et cetera. Um, so that's that. I think uh Councilman Lewis has uh raised his hand again. The chair recognizes Councilman Lewis.","topics_json":"[\"public_safety\"]","vector_id":"vec_seg_101612_410","created_at":"2026-10-31T08:06:37Z","speaker_name":"Andre M. Boggerty"},{"id":"seg_101612_411","meeting_id":"101612","media_asset_id":"med_101612_222f4db39d42ac83","agenda_item_id":null,"speaker_id":"off_brian_e_lewis","speaker_confidence":1,"start_sec":9332.54,"end_sec":9397.24,"text":"Uh yes. Actually um, I was listening to what Mr. Sudler was saying and um he does bring up a good point about a automatic gate. Uh if you drive down Route 1 in Delaware, you'll notice on the side of the road you have like service roads and you have uh like a gate that's operated um I believe by DelDOT, if I'm not mistaken, and they can actually uh raise the gate electronically uh from headquarters or whatever the case may be, uh and whoever, like the state police, if they have to get off that access road, they either make a phone call or they have a remote control. So that may be something that Mr. Lyon can look into uh because DelDOT does that, I've seen it on Route 1. And um as far as Mrs. Arndt's comment, um it would be nice if we did live in a perfect world where everybody obeyed the ordinances and the laws, but take down those barriers tomorrow afternoon","topics_json":"[\"public_safety\"]","vector_id":"vec_seg_101612_411","created_at":"2026-10-31T08:06:37Z","speaker_name":"Brian E. Lewis"},{"id":"seg_101612_412","meeting_id":"101612","media_asset_id":"med_101612_222f4db39d42ac83","agenda_item_id":null,"speaker_id":"off_tricia_k_arndt","speaker_confidence":0.9,"start_sec":9437.19,"end_sec":9444,"text":"and come sit with me over there in the Burger King parking lot, and you will see how many people disregard the sign and go down that road. Mr. Chairman, that's all I have.","topics_json":"[\"public_safety\"]","vector_id":"vec_seg_101612_412","created_at":"2026-10-31T08:06:37Z","speaker_name":"Tricia K. Arndt"},{"id":"seg_101612_413","meeting_id":"101612","media_asset_id":"med_101612_222f4db39d42ac83","agenda_item_id":null,"speaker_id":"off_andre_m_boggerty","speaker_confidence":0.95,"start_sec":9445.77,"end_sec":9448.45,"text":"Thank you. The chair recognizes Councilman Dr. Sudler, and immediately after that, the mayor.","topics_json":"[]","vector_id":"vec_seg_101612_413","created_at":"2026-10-31T08:06:37Z","speaker_name":"Andre M. Boggerty"},{"id":"seg_101612_414","meeting_id":"101612","media_asset_id":"med_101612_222f4db39d42ac83","agenda_item_id":null,"speaker_id":"off_roy_sudler_jr","speaker_confidence":0.95,"start_sec":9448.75,"end_sec":9451.18,"text":"I could yield to the mayor, Mayor? And then you can go ahead.","topics_json":"[]","vector_id":"vec_seg_101612_414","created_at":"2026-10-31T08:06:37Z","speaker_name":"Roy Sudler, Jr."},{"id":"seg_101612_415","meeting_id":"101612","media_asset_id":"med_101612_222f4db39d42ac83","agenda_item_id":null,"speaker_id":"off_robin_r_christiansen","speaker_confidence":0.95,"start_sec":9451.67,"end_sec":9499.55,"text":"So in regards to a k- uh thank you, Dr. Sudler. In regards to a a gate that would be operated by remote control, each pieces of fire equipment and the ambulances are equipped with Opticons, and that is how they get access onto the various different parts of Route 1. So that might be something that would be doable with the Opticon system that the fire trucks already have in place and that we have on many of our streetlights to allow us to turn the lights to, you know, make our emergency response. So that might be an option. Yield, Mr. Chair.","topics_json":"[\"public_safety\"]","vector_id":"vec_seg_101612_415","created_at":"2026-10-31T08:06:37Z","speaker_name":"Robin R. Christiansen"},{"id":"seg_101612_416","meeting_id":"101612","media_asset_id":"med_101612_222f4db39d42ac83","agenda_item_id":null,"speaker_id":"off_andre_m_boggerty","speaker_confidence":0.95,"start_sec":9500.04,"end_sec":9501.13,"text":"Thank you. Dr. Sudler.","topics_json":"[]","vector_id":"vec_seg_101612_416","created_at":"2026-10-31T08:06:37Z","speaker_name":"Andre M. Boggerty"},{"id":"seg_101612_417","meeting_id":"101612","media_asset_id":"med_101612_222f4db39d42ac83","agenda_item_id":null,"speaker_id":"off_roy_sudler_jr","speaker_confidence":0.95,"start_sec":9501.31,"end_sec":9575.11,"text":"Thank you. And I also wanted to reiterate to our constituents that the Capital Area Municipality Sustainability Act, which we will be further addressing and reviewing at the end of October, is dealing with infrastructure, right? Gaining money for infrastructure to basically fund some of these new innovative ways, right, to keep our community safe through road systems. So that would be something that would be able to assist us in conjunction with the state funding from Trey Paradee, our 17th District Senator, we can reach out to him, and in addition to reaching out to our 31st District House of Representative Sean Lynn for their Community Transportation Fund. They have millions. I know they have a lot of hundred thousands, close to a million, if not millions. But I know they have hundreds of thousands because I've talked with them in regards to some other matters on College Road. So the money is there. I think that, you know, I think we also need to look at seeing how we can partner with Kent County. I hate to say this, but, you know, Kent County is getting our taxes and I don't - well, I'm calling them out, I don't see how much, I'm not saying they're not doing anything, but I don't see in my daily operations as councilman and just as a taxpayer, I don't see how much Kent County is contributing to a lot of our road system infrastructure, storm water. I know they do some, but the daily things that affect our constituents, because they're getting our tax dollars too. That double taxation that our constituents are paying, city tax and county tax.","topics_json":"[\"taxes\",\"budget\",\"public_safety\"]","vector_id":"vec_seg_101612_417","created_at":"2026-10-31T08:06:37Z","speaker_name":"Roy Sudler, Jr."},{"id":"seg_101612_418","meeting_id":"101612","media_asset_id":"med_101612_222f4db39d42ac83","agenda_item_id":null,"speaker_id":"off_roy_sudler_jr","speaker_confidence":0.95,"start_sec":9591.23,"end_sec":9647.69,"text":"So I think we need to lean a little bit more in on the county and ask them to give us some funding, you know. When I was council president, unfortunately, I was trying to connect, but the ball got dropped. It wasn't on my end, it was on their end, and I think it's because there's been a history of a disconnect between the county and the city. I think as you being a newly assistant city manager and also city manager, our new team in Team Dover, I think that'd be a great opportunity to sort of try to strengthen that, which would benefit our constituents as a whole. So let's lean in on some of our state funds and also let's tap into our county so we can stay out of our constituents' pockets and give them some relief. So I yield. Thank you.","topics_json":"[\"taxes\",\"budget\"]","vector_id":"vec_seg_101612_418","created_at":"2026-10-31T08:06:37Z","speaker_name":"Roy Sudler, Jr."},{"id":"seg_101612_419","meeting_id":"101612","media_asset_id":"med_101612_222f4db39d42ac83","agenda_item_id":null,"speaker_id":"off_andre_m_boggerty","speaker_confidence":0.95,"start_sec":9648.6,"end_sec":9652.68,"text":"Thank you. The chair recognizes Council Interim President Anderson.","topics_json":"[]","vector_id":"vec_seg_101612_419","created_at":"2026-10-31T08:06:37Z","speaker_name":"Andre M. Boggerty"},{"id":"seg_101612_42","meeting_id":"101612","media_asset_id":"med_101612_222f4db39d42ac83","agenda_item_id":null,"speaker_id":"off_brian_e_lewis","speaker_confidence":0.95,"start_sec":1870.65,"end_sec":1883.15,"text":"All right. My my second question is uh, if in fact the city was able to provide you with funding, um what's going to happen when the funding runs out? Do you have a contingency plan?","topics_json":"[\"budget\"]","vector_id":"vec_seg_101612_42","created_at":"2026-10-31T08:06:36Z","speaker_name":"Brian E. Lewis"},{"id":"seg_101612_420","meeting_id":"101612","media_asset_id":"med_101612_222f4db39d42ac83","agenda_item_id":null,"speaker_id":"off_david_l_anderson","speaker_confidence":0.95,"start_sec":9653.65,"end_sec":9739.56,"text":"Thank you, Mr. Chairman. There's been a lot of discussion and some of it will take some research, such as even if a gate's not going to be cheap and it wouldn't be instant. What I would support right now while this is being evaluated would be to extend the status quo and then evaluate continued to evaluate options, because right now, what's happening is working. So what's the hurry? We can take our time and evaluate options and then make them happen, the best option, because we don't have a ticking time clock. The current solution is working. I yield. I don't know if the chair has recognized the time for a motion yet, because he may want comment or whatever. Thank you.","topics_json":"[\"public_safety\"]","vector_id":"vec_seg_101612_420","created_at":"2026-10-31T08:06:37Z","speaker_name":"David L. Anderson"},{"id":"seg_101612_421","meeting_id":"101612","media_asset_id":"med_101612_222f4db39d42ac83","agenda_item_id":null,"speaker_id":"off_andre_m_boggerty","speaker_confidence":0.95,"start_sec":9740.04,"end_sec":9763.28,"text":"Thank you. There's a lot of people who want to have public comment, so I just want to emphasize that the three-minute clock is going to be in, and I want to stick closely to that because there are quite a few. And we want to make sure that we are... we are here. So I'm going to go with what's listed and then I'll recognize those who volunteer or who are asking without signing up. So the first family, I want to call this the Paul family? I mean the Bell family. And then immediately after the Bell family, Michelle Paul has signed up. Or do you want to...","topics_json":"[]","vector_id":"vec_seg_101612_421","created_at":"2026-10-31T08:06:37Z","speaker_name":"Andre M. Boggerty"},{"id":"seg_101612_422","meeting_id":"101612","media_asset_id":"med_101612_222f4db39d42ac83","agenda_item_id":null,"speaker_id":"spk_101612_city_clerk","speaker_confidence":0.9,"start_sec":9763.95,"end_sec":9765.11,"text":"I have a list if you want me to go down the list.","topics_json":"[]","vector_id":"vec_seg_101612_422","created_at":"2026-10-31T08:06:37Z","speaker_name":null},{"id":"seg_101612_423","meeting_id":"101612","media_asset_id":"med_101612_222f4db39d42ac83","agenda_item_id":null,"speaker_id":"off_andre_m_boggerty","speaker_confidence":0.95,"start_sec":9765.23,"end_sec":9770.58,"text":"Well, Michelle Paul is also on mine, and then we'll recognize others. Belinda Payne, I'll see you. Okay.","topics_json":"[]","vector_id":"vec_seg_101612_423","created_at":"2026-10-31T08:06:37Z","speaker_name":"Andre M. Boggerty"},{"id":"seg_101612_424","meeting_id":"101612","media_asset_id":"med_101612_222f4db39d42ac83","agenda_item_id":null,"speaker_id":"off_andre_m_boggerty","speaker_confidence":0.95,"start_sec":9771.19,"end_sec":9773.62,"text":"So now, are you all speaking individually or as one?","topics_json":"[]","vector_id":"vec_seg_101612_424","created_at":"2026-10-31T08:06:37Z","speaker_name":"Andre M. Boggerty"},{"id":"seg_101612_425","meeting_id":"101612","media_asset_id":"med_101612_222f4db39d42ac83","agenda_item_id":null,"speaker_id":"spk_101612_sarah_bell","speaker_confidence":0.9,"start_sec":9773.87,"end_sec":9774.84,"text":"Individually.","topics_json":"[]","vector_id":"vec_seg_101612_425","created_at":"2026-10-31T08:06:37Z","speaker_name":"Sarah Bell"},{"id":"seg_101612_426","meeting_id":"101612","media_asset_id":"med_101612_222f4db39d42ac83","agenda_item_id":null,"speaker_id":"spk_101612_mary_bell","speaker_confidence":0.95,"start_sec":9774.96,"end_sec":9805.26,"text":"It was part of their homeschool. They prepared speeches today for City Council as part of their homeschool. They asked me for advice, I said 'I can't help you, it's all you.'","topics_json":"[]","vector_id":"vec_seg_101612_426","created_at":"2026-10-31T08:06:37Z","speaker_name":"Mary Bell"},{"id":"seg_101612_427","meeting_id":"101612","media_asset_id":"med_101612_222f4db39d42ac83","agenda_item_id":null,"speaker_id":"off_andre_m_boggerty","speaker_confidence":0.95,"start_sec":9805.56,"end_sec":9809.52,"text":"Okay. All right, so let's start with our future leaders. Go ahead.","topics_json":"[]","vector_id":"vec_seg_101612_427","created_at":"2026-10-31T08:06:37Z","speaker_name":"Andre M. Boggerty"},{"id":"seg_101612_428","meeting_id":"101612","media_asset_id":"med_101612_222f4db39d42ac83","agenda_item_id":null,"speaker_id":"spk_101612_mary_bell","speaker_confidence":0.9,"start_sec":9810.43,"end_sec":9811.65,"text":"You can pull it down.","topics_json":"[]","vector_id":"vec_seg_101612_428","created_at":"2026-10-31T08:06:37Z","speaker_name":"Mary Bell"},{"id":"seg_101612_429","meeting_id":"101612","media_asset_id":"med_101612_222f4db39d42ac83","agenda_item_id":null,"speaker_id":"off_andre_m_boggerty","speaker_confidence":0.95,"start_sec":9813.17,"end_sec":9814.99,"text":"Wait, you got to say your name. You don't have to give your address.","topics_json":"[]","vector_id":"vec_seg_101612_429","created_at":"2026-10-31T08:06:37Z","speaker_name":"Andre M. Boggerty"},{"id":"seg_101612_43","meeting_id":"101612","media_asset_id":"med_101612_222f4db39d42ac83","agenda_item_id":null,"speaker_id":"spk_101612_mr_wilson","speaker_confidence":0.95,"start_sec":1883.65,"end_sec":1887.85,"text":"Yes, I do. Funding will not run out. Funding will not run out. I'm a hustler.","topics_json":"[\"budget\"]","vector_id":"vec_seg_101612_43","created_at":"2026-10-31T08:06:36Z","speaker_name":null},{"id":"seg_101612_430","meeting_id":"101612","media_asset_id":"med_101612_222f4db39d42ac83","agenda_item_id":null,"speaker_id":"spk_101612_sarah_bell","speaker_confidence":0.95,"start_sec":9815.3,"end_sec":9816.52,"text":"I'm Sarah.","topics_json":"[]","vector_id":"vec_seg_101612_430","created_at":"2026-10-31T08:06:37Z","speaker_name":"Sarah Bell"},{"id":"seg_101612_431","meeting_id":"101612","media_asset_id":"med_101612_222f4db39d42ac83","agenda_item_id":null,"speaker_id":"spk_101612_sarah_bell","speaker_confidence":0.95,"start_sec":9817.31,"end_sec":9820.47,"text":"What I like the street closed is because you can ride bikes.","topics_json":"[\"public_safety\"]","vector_id":"vec_seg_101612_431","created_at":"2026-10-31T08:06:37Z","speaker_name":"Sarah Bell"},{"id":"seg_101612_432","meeting_id":"101612","media_asset_id":"med_101612_222f4db39d42ac83","agenda_item_id":null,"speaker_id":"off_andre_m_boggerty","speaker_confidence":0.95,"start_sec":9820.77,"end_sec":9823.21,"text":"Hold on. Dad, you want to come take a picture of this moment? Thank you.","topics_json":"[]","vector_id":"vec_seg_101612_432","created_at":"2026-10-31T08:06:37Z","speaker_name":"Andre M. Boggerty"},{"id":"seg_101612_433","meeting_id":"101612","media_asset_id":"med_101612_222f4db39d42ac83","agenda_item_id":null,"speaker_id":"spk_101612_mary_bell","speaker_confidence":0.9,"start_sec":9824.42,"end_sec":9825.95,"text":"And Sarah, how did you learn to ride bikes?","topics_json":"[]","vector_id":"vec_seg_101612_433","created_at":"2026-10-31T08:06:37Z","speaker_name":"Mary Bell"},{"id":"seg_101612_434","meeting_id":"101612","media_asset_id":"med_101612_222f4db39d42ac83","agenda_item_id":null,"speaker_id":"spk_101612_sarah_bell","speaker_confidence":0.9,"start_sec":9826.07,"end_sec":9827.04,"text":"With dad.","topics_json":"[]","vector_id":"vec_seg_101612_434","created_at":"2026-10-31T08:06:37Z","speaker_name":"Sarah Bell"},{"id":"seg_101612_435","meeting_id":"101612","media_asset_id":"med_101612_222f4db39d42ac83","agenda_item_id":null,"speaker_id":"spk_101612_clara_bell","speaker_confidence":0.95,"start_sec":9835.38,"end_sec":9891.04,"text":"Um, hi. My name is Clara. I'm here because you guys would like to reopen my street, and I should not have to close my street to be safe. People shouldn't speed down my road, and I know you guys can't control that. We used to have a sign a while ago, maybe like three or four years ago, and some kid hit it in the middle of the night. And then we got a new one. And then they closed the road, and they took the sign away. Now, no people have been speeding down the road, well, not no people, less people. Much less people have been coming down the road speeding. So now I can ride my bike down the street without worrying of getting hit.","topics_json":"[\"public_safety\"]","vector_id":"vec_seg_101612_435","created_at":"2026-10-31T08:06:37Z","speaker_name":"Clara Bell"},{"id":"seg_101612_436","meeting_id":"101612","media_asset_id":"med_101612_222f4db39d42ac83","agenda_item_id":null,"speaker_id":"spk_101612_irma_bell","speaker_confidence":0.95,"start_sec":9897.13,"end_sec":9952.18,"text":"My name's Irma. When the street is closed, it feels like everything is perfect. I can walk my dogs with my family and happily talk about how nice it is with the road closed. If you reopen it, I won't be able to do that that much more often. And it'll I probably won't be able to ride my bike that much, because my parents know it's not safe for me to be there with speeders coming up and down the street. So please, don't reopen the street.","topics_json":"[\"public_safety\"]","vector_id":"vec_seg_101612_436","created_at":"2026-10-31T08:06:37Z","speaker_name":"Irma Bell"},{"id":"seg_101612_437","meeting_id":"101612","media_asset_id":"med_101612_222f4db39d42ac83","agenda_item_id":null,"speaker_id":"off_andre_m_boggerty","speaker_confidence":0.95,"start_sec":9953.4,"end_sec":9984.73,"text":"All right. Okay, so we have to give you a grade, and I think all the council would make an ordinance that you all get an A. Or make that motion that you get an A. All in favor, say aye.","topics_json":"[]","vector_id":"vec_seg_101612_437","created_at":"2026-10-31T08:06:37Z","speaker_name":"Andre M. Boggerty"},{"id":"seg_101612_438","meeting_id":"101612","media_asset_id":"med_101612_222f4db39d42ac83","agenda_item_id":null,"speaker_id":"spk_101612_council_members","speaker_confidence":0.9,"start_sec":9985.04,"end_sec":9985.95,"text":"Aye.","topics_json":"[]","vector_id":"vec_seg_101612_438","created_at":"2026-10-31T08:06:37Z","speaker_name":null},{"id":"seg_101612_439","meeting_id":"101612","media_asset_id":"med_101612_222f4db39d42ac83","agenda_item_id":null,"speaker_id":"off_andre_m_boggerty","speaker_confidence":0.95,"start_sec":9985.83,"end_sec":9987.04,"text":"Aye. So parents, you have to give an A for this assignment.","topics_json":"[]","vector_id":"vec_seg_101612_439","created_at":"2026-10-31T08:06:37Z","speaker_name":"Andre M. Boggerty"},{"id":"seg_101612_44","meeting_id":"101612","media_asset_id":"med_101612_222f4db39d42ac83","agenda_item_id":null,"speaker_id":"off_brian_e_lewis","speaker_confidence":0.95,"start_sec":1888.15,"end_sec":1890.65,"text":"The money will not run out? Money always runs out.","topics_json":"[\"budget\"]","vector_id":"vec_seg_101612_44","created_at":"2026-10-31T08:06:36Z","speaker_name":"Brian E. Lewis"},{"id":"seg_101612_440","meeting_id":"101612","media_asset_id":"med_101612_222f4db39d42ac83","agenda_item_id":null,"speaker_id":"spk_101612_mary_bell","speaker_confidence":0.9,"start_sec":9987.17,"end_sec":9988.99,"text":"I'll put that down there. It's my responsibility.","topics_json":"[]","vector_id":"vec_seg_101612_440","created_at":"2026-10-31T08:06:37Z","speaker_name":"Mary Bell"},{"id":"seg_101612_441","meeting_id":"101612","media_asset_id":"med_101612_222f4db39d42ac83","agenda_item_id":null,"speaker_id":"spk_101612_mary_bell","speaker_confidence":0.95,"start_sec":9990.51,"end_sec":10119.18,"text":"So real quick, I just want to thank you guys. B, I'm Mary Bell. I live at 801 East Parkwood Street. I've been there 11, 7 years, now. Thank you for finally believing in the safety of our street and how much it matters to us. It was never about the volume of cars, it was about the danger of the people that were not respecting the laws and rules of the road. Otherwise, we'd be able to ride bikes, we'd be able to walk our dogs, you know, it wouldn't be an issue. I hate to say this, I don't normally agree with you, Councilman Arndt, but I'm agreeing with you tonight. I don't think there should be a permanent barrier. But what I do think is the barrier that's in place is fine, and Mayor Christiansen's fire trucks can run it right over, because I know my Suburban can, not that I tried. But I know it could. So I feel like a fire truck would be fine, just a little bump, if that's needed. I like the gate idea. I like the sign. Can you put it in the middle and so the cops can just go around it? Just put it right in the pavement, would be fine. Somehow the barrier was removed recently and it - I was in my - not fully dressed, let's just say, outside with coffee and dogs. People were flying down the road and a child was being dropped off at my house, and she's like 'When did they open your road?' And I'm like 'I have no idea.' What is, you know, we had to go investigate and deal with this. It was a nightmare until they put it back, because it was just, it didn't stop. I don't think the sign will work. I love the fine. Please, make some money for the city, I am down for that. But you have to enforce it. So we need a camera, because the police are busy doing other things. They shouldn't have to police someone, you know, doing that. I agree with that. So I think all the solutions are great. Please leave the sandbags and the barrier for now so I can enjoy fall and my whole neighborhood can enjoy it. I've met 10 neighbors I didn't even know, because we're outside now. We're not in our backyards hiding from each other. So it's a really great thing that you guys are doing and I really appreciate it.","topics_json":"[\"public_safety\"]","vector_id":"vec_seg_101612_441","created_at":"2026-10-31T08:06:37Z","speaker_name":"Mary Bell"},{"id":"seg_101612_442","meeting_id":"101612","media_asset_id":"med_101612_222f4db39d42ac83","agenda_item_id":null,"speaker_id":"spk_101612_robert_bell","speaker_confidence":0.95,"start_sec":10123.44,"end_sec":10190.06,"text":"All right, I guess I'll wrap up. I'm Robert Bell, obviously, at 801. We are glad the girls had the bravery after that. I do want to thank you all for the barrier that we've had for the past couple months. It's been great. I have obviously noticed a significant reduction in the number of unexpected vehicles and according speeders. We still get them every now and then. Go figure, it's going to happen, right? I am a little bit concerned about the sign thing. It's better than nothing, but it comes down to enforcement, right? I mean, if there's not consequences for people breaking the law, people will do it. So, you know, however you deal with that. I will say the suggestion of the ALPRs, not a fan. The license plate recognition devices, as a technologist, I have some issue with the security and excuse me, privacy implications of that. I know we've got them in town, not happy to see that, but it's a concern. I definitely like some of the other technological solutions, the Optic- something or other gate...","topics_json":"[\"public_safety\"]","vector_id":"vec_seg_101612_442","created_at":"2026-10-31T08:06:37Z","speaker_name":"Robert Bell"},{"id":"seg_101612_443","meeting_id":"101612","media_asset_id":"med_101612_222f4db39d42ac83","agenda_item_id":null,"speaker_id":"off_robin_r_christiansen","speaker_confidence":0.9,"start_sec":10190.49,"end_sec":10190.97,"text":"Opticon.","topics_json":"[]","vector_id":"vec_seg_101612_443","created_at":"2026-10-31T08:06:37Z","speaker_name":"Robin R. Christiansen"},{"id":"seg_101612_444","meeting_id":"101612","media_asset_id":"med_101612_222f4db39d42ac83","agenda_item_id":null,"speaker_id":"spk_101612_robert_bell","speaker_confidence":0.95,"start_sec":10191.03,"end_sec":10198.27,"text":"Opticon gate, I think that's a fantastic idea. You know what, we could just turn it into dirt the other rest of the way. I bet you you guys have some pretty good shocks in the trucks, they could probably roll over the dirt, and most cars probably won't have...","topics_json":"[\"public_safety\"]","vector_id":"vec_seg_101612_444","created_at":"2026-10-31T08:06:37Z","speaker_name":"Robert Bell"},{"id":"seg_101612_445","meeting_id":"101612","media_asset_id":"med_101612_222f4db39d42ac83","agenda_item_id":null,"speaker_id":"off_robin_r_christiansen","speaker_confidence":0.9,"start_sec":10198.4,"end_sec":10198.88,"text":"We can get to you.","topics_json":"[]","vector_id":"vec_seg_101612_445","created_at":"2026-10-31T08:06:37Z","speaker_name":"Robin R. Christiansen"},{"id":"seg_101612_446","meeting_id":"101612","media_asset_id":"med_101612_222f4db39d42ac83","agenda_item_id":null,"speaker_id":"spk_101612_robert_bell","speaker_confidence":0.95,"start_sec":10199,"end_sec":10233.56,"text":"Uh, yeah, exactly. And you know, the little cars that want to go and speed, hey, you know what? Better business for all our local, you know, body shops and tire shops and what have you. So anyway, once again, I did want to thank you all for your time this evening and listening to us, and with that, that's all I have to say.","topics_json":"[\"public_safety\",\"business\"]","vector_id":"vec_seg_101612_446","created_at":"2026-10-31T08:06:37Z","speaker_name":"Robert Bell"},{"id":"seg_101612_447","meeting_id":"101612","media_asset_id":"med_101612_222f4db39d42ac83","agenda_item_id":null,"speaker_id":"off_andre_m_boggerty","speaker_confidence":0.95,"start_sec":10234.47,"end_sec":10239.64,"text":"Thank you. I think we have some other... Michelle Paul is here. Okay, so let the record show Michelle Paul is here. Do you have any comment? Do you raise your hand? No? Okay.","topics_json":"[]","vector_id":"vec_seg_101612_447","created_at":"2026-10-31T08:06:37Z","speaker_name":"Andre M. Boggerty"},{"id":"seg_101612_448","meeting_id":"101612","media_asset_id":"med_101612_222f4db39d42ac83","agenda_item_id":null,"speaker_id":"spk_101612_city_clerk","speaker_confidence":0.9,"start_sec":10240.25,"end_sec":10241.16,"text":"I have a list if you want me to go down the list.","topics_json":"[]","vector_id":"vec_seg_101612_448","created_at":"2026-10-31T08:06:37Z","speaker_name":null},{"id":"seg_101612_449","meeting_id":"101612","media_asset_id":"med_101612_222f4db39d42ac83","agenda_item_id":null,"speaker_id":"off_andre_m_boggerty","speaker_confidence":0.95,"start_sec":10241.47,"end_sec":10243.29,"text":"Okay.","topics_json":"[]","vector_id":"vec_seg_101612_449","created_at":"2026-10-31T08:06:37Z","speaker_name":"Andre M. Boggerty"},{"id":"seg_101612_45","meeting_id":"101612","media_asset_id":"med_101612_222f4db39d42ac83","agenda_item_id":null,"speaker_id":"spk_101612_mr_wilson","speaker_confidence":0.95,"start_sec":1890.85,"end_sec":1892.65,"text":"Funding money will not run out.","topics_json":"[\"budget\"]","vector_id":"vec_seg_101612_45","created_at":"2026-10-31T08:06:36Z","speaker_name":null},{"id":"seg_101612_450","meeting_id":"101612","media_asset_id":"med_101612_222f4db39d42ac83","agenda_item_id":null,"speaker_id":"spk_101612_city_clerk","speaker_confidence":0.9,"start_sec":10243.9,"end_sec":10245.12,"text":"Nope, we got more.","topics_json":"[]","vector_id":"vec_seg_101612_450","created_at":"2026-10-31T08:06:37Z","speaker_name":null},{"id":"seg_101612_451","meeting_id":"101612","media_asset_id":"med_101612_222f4db39d42ac83","agenda_item_id":null,"speaker_id":"spk_101612_city_clerk","speaker_confidence":0.95,"start_sec":10247.55,"end_sec":10249.38,"text":"The first person I have for this topic is Terri Sipple.","topics_json":"[]","vector_id":"vec_seg_101612_451","created_at":"2026-10-31T08:06:37Z","speaker_name":null},{"id":"seg_101612_452","meeting_id":"101612","media_asset_id":"med_101612_222f4db39d42ac83","agenda_item_id":null,"speaker_id":"spk_101612_city_clerk","speaker_confidence":0.85,"start_sec":10254.85,"end_sec":10255.77,"text":"We can get you the microphone.","topics_json":"[]","vector_id":"vec_seg_101612_452","created_at":"2026-10-31T08:06:37Z","speaker_name":null},{"id":"seg_101612_453","meeting_id":"101612","media_asset_id":"med_101612_222f4db39d42ac83","agenda_item_id":null,"speaker_id":"spk_101612_terri_sipple","speaker_confidence":0.95,"start_sec":10291.96,"end_sec":10320.56,"text":"If you're going to make a fine, make it something that you're going to have to have a camera, but make it something that's going to give people pause. If you put signs up there, you know, the do not enter sign, and you stick a a sign under it, you know, they see the camera and that sign underneath it says 'Fine $1,000 and/or 30 days in jail', they're not going to do it. And then you just start taking the pictures and start hauling them in. And first few, throw throw somebody in jail for 30 days. It's an and/or. You make an example out of a few, it's not going to happen too often.","topics_json":"[\"public_safety\"]","vector_id":"vec_seg_101612_453","created_at":"2026-10-31T08:06:37Z","speaker_name":"Terri Sipple"},{"id":"seg_101612_454","meeting_id":"101612","media_asset_id":"med_101612_222f4db39d42ac83","agenda_item_id":null,"speaker_id":"off_andre_m_boggerty","speaker_confidence":0.95,"start_sec":10321.47,"end_sec":10322.99,"text":"Thank you. Next person.","topics_json":"[]","vector_id":"vec_seg_101612_454","created_at":"2026-10-31T08:06:37Z","speaker_name":"Andre M. Boggerty"},{"id":"seg_101612_455","meeting_id":"101612","media_asset_id":"med_101612_222f4db39d42ac83","agenda_item_id":null,"speaker_id":"spk_101612_city_clerk","speaker_confidence":0.95,"start_sec":10324.51,"end_sec":10350.07,"text":"Next we have David Suter.","topics_json":"[]","vector_id":"vec_seg_101612_455","created_at":"2026-10-31T08:06:37Z","speaker_name":null},{"id":"seg_101612_456","meeting_id":"101612","media_asset_id":"med_101612_222f4db39d42ac83","agenda_item_id":null,"speaker_id":"spk_101612_david_suter","speaker_confidence":0.95,"start_sec":10351.89,"end_sec":10543.23,"text":"Hello, Council. I want to appreciate all what you've done so far. This barrier has made a 100% change in our street. As you've seen them little kids right there, I know you don't agree with me because the cost and everything you're talking about, but who's more important, your money or that little girl? Or them girls, excuse me, them girls. Do you have kids? Okay, who's more important to you than anything in this world? These cars that come up and down our street, even with the digital signs, they don't care about your kids. It's not their street. It's a shortcut for them. I hate to say it, we also have people coming through there running drugs, from Foster Street to Ferguson Street right next to Robin Hood Manor. I've been watching this for three, or four years now, and I've been on email with the mayor for three years. And it's taking this long to get someone's attention. And that's a shame. Because we already had one child die, I think it was like a year and a half, maybe two years. It shouldn't come to that. We shouldn't have to wait for one of our elderly people or one of our children to die on the street to be noticed. And if you look at your archives, if you've been in Dover all your life, go back to 1992. This road has been neglected since 1992. The sign, you can forget that. You see people out here running a red light, they see a light turn yellow and they're flying, and then they don't care if it turned red, they don't care if the next person is going to pull out on them. That sign's a joke. And I'm sorry, you know our world has become very disrespectful and very reckless. The gate may cost you some money, but we're not going to lose these kids, which they are worth a lot more than that that that gate is. And I believe we we need a gate. We don't need a permanent thing there. We want our emergency people to come help us and protect us and put our fires out or whatever happens. The gate is a beautiful idea. It's costly, I agree. But my tax dollars every day, I don't want to give it to you, but I give it to you. Give it back. Protect us. We're Americans. We lived in this country all our lives. We're born saying this is a free country. Well, this is my free speech right now. Our children come first. Our parents come first. Our families. We are all from the same Creator. We're brothers and sisters. I don't care what color is. We are brothers and sisters. Protect us! That's why you're up there. That's why our government's there, to protect the United States, to protect Americans, to protect all of us. Nobody's special. We're all special. You know what I mean by that, right? You're not just special, you're not just special, we're all special. We're unique. We all look different. But we all have the right. We was raised with respect from our parents. We was raised how the world isn't all that great, but we respect. For all of mine, and for all of mine. Thank you. Thank you. Thank you so much.","topics_json":"[\"taxes\",\"budget\",\"public_safety\"]","vector_id":"vec_seg_101612_456","created_at":"2026-10-31T08:06:37Z","speaker_name":"David Suter"},{"id":"seg_101612_457","meeting_id":"101612","media_asset_id":"med_101612_222f4db39d42ac83","agenda_item_id":null,"speaker_id":"off_andre_m_boggerty","speaker_confidence":0.95,"start_sec":10543.83,"end_sec":10545.66,"text":"Thank you. Thank you. Thank you so much.","topics_json":"[]","vector_id":"vec_seg_101612_457","created_at":"2026-10-31T08:06:37Z","speaker_name":"Andre M. Boggerty"},{"id":"seg_101612_458","meeting_id":"101612","media_asset_id":"med_101612_222f4db39d42ac83","agenda_item_id":null,"speaker_id":"spk_101612_city_clerk","speaker_confidence":0.95,"start_sec":10549.61,"end_sec":10551.13,"text":"Next we have Dawn Thorne.","topics_json":"[]","vector_id":"vec_seg_101612_458","created_at":"2026-10-31T08:06:37Z","speaker_name":null},{"id":"seg_101612_459","meeting_id":"101612","media_asset_id":"med_101612_222f4db39d42ac83","agenda_item_id":null,"speaker_id":"off_andre_m_boggerty","speaker_confidence":0.95,"start_sec":10552.96,"end_sec":10554.18,"text":"Thank you. Next.","topics_json":"[]","vector_id":"vec_seg_101612_459","created_at":"2026-10-31T08:06:37Z","speaker_name":"Andre M. Boggerty"},{"id":"seg_101612_46","meeting_id":"101612","media_asset_id":"med_101612_222f4db39d42ac83","agenda_item_id":null,"speaker_id":"off_brian_e_lewis","speaker_confidence":0.95,"start_sec":1893.15,"end_sec":1901.15,"text":"Okay. So, you do have a contingency plan if in fact the city did approve your request?","topics_json":"[\"budget\"]","vector_id":"vec_seg_101612_46","created_at":"2026-10-31T08:06:36Z","speaker_name":"Brian E. Lewis"},{"id":"seg_101612_460","meeting_id":"101612","media_asset_id":"med_101612_222f4db39d42ac83","agenda_item_id":null,"speaker_id":"spk_101612_city_clerk","speaker_confidence":0.95,"start_sec":10555.39,"end_sec":10556.61,"text":"Mary Nance?","topics_json":"[]","vector_id":"vec_seg_101612_460","created_at":"2026-10-31T08:06:37Z","speaker_name":null},{"id":"seg_101612_461","meeting_id":"101612","media_asset_id":"med_101612_222f4db39d42ac83","agenda_item_id":null,"speaker_id":"off_andre_m_boggerty","speaker_confidence":0.95,"start_sec":10557.22,"end_sec":10558.13,"text":"Thank you. Next.","topics_json":"[]","vector_id":"vec_seg_101612_461","created_at":"2026-10-31T08:06:37Z","speaker_name":"Andre M. Boggerty"},{"id":"seg_101612_462","meeting_id":"101612","media_asset_id":"med_101612_222f4db39d42ac83","agenda_item_id":null,"speaker_id":"spk_101612_city_clerk","speaker_confidence":0.95,"start_sec":10560.56,"end_sec":10562.09,"text":"Jeremy Schneider.","topics_json":"[]","vector_id":"vec_seg_101612_462","created_at":"2026-10-31T08:06:37Z","speaker_name":null},{"id":"seg_101612_463","meeting_id":"101612","media_asset_id":"med_101612_222f4db39d42ac83","agenda_item_id":null,"speaker_id":"spk_101612_jeremy_schneider","speaker_confidence":0.95,"start_sec":10565.13,"end_sec":10616.84,"text":"Uh, thank you for hearing us again, Jeremy Schneider, 787. Uh, for sake of time, I'm not going to belabor any points that haven't already been said. I agree with my neighbor, I agree that I've seen kids that I didn't know lived in my neighborhood for the last four years. I saw people the other morning walking dogs in the middle of the street because they finally could use the street for the first time. I was there the day that child was seriously injured in that car accident right in front of my house doing 50 in a 25 residential zone. Uh, and you know, at that meeting when we when we first talked about it, the chief said that could have happened on any street. And sure, it could have happened on any street, but it doesn't change the fact that it happened on a residential street, the street in front of our house. And so, ultimately, yeah, I'm not going to belabor any points. I will thank you for doing what you've done so far.","topics_json":"[\"public_safety\"]","vector_id":"vec_seg_101612_463","created_at":"2026-10-31T08:06:37Z","speaker_name":"Jeremy Schneider"},{"id":"seg_101612_464","meeting_id":"101612","media_asset_id":"med_101612_222f4db39d42ac83","agenda_item_id":null,"speaker_id":"spk_101612_public_commenter","speaker_confidence":0.9,"start_sec":10616.84,"end_sec":10649.43,"text":"I was the one two weeks ago that called the city to say someone in the middle of the night moved the barrier and were already flying up and down the street. Um, I would love it if signs were respected, but we've proven the point. Uh, there's a sign that says it's a one-way on the other side of the street. Multiple times, almost been hit riding my bike or running by people coming out towards Rodney or towards 13th. I love it if signs were respected, but they aren't. Um, so I'd just like you guys to consider that. We appreciate what you've done. It's totally dramatically changed the feel of the neighborhood, the happiness of the neighborhood, the usability of the neighborhood as folks who do live there. So, just consider us. I appreciate if you would do that when you think about it and and in the interim, if you could keep it the way that it is. It is a game changer. It is incredibly safer and it has totally shifted the atmosphere of our little neighborhood. So, I appreciate it. Thank you.","topics_json":"[\"public_safety\"]","vector_id":"vec_seg_101612_464","created_at":"2026-10-31T08:06:37Z","speaker_name":null},{"id":"seg_101612_465","meeting_id":"101612","media_asset_id":"med_101612_222f4db39d42ac83","agenda_item_id":null,"speaker_id":"off_andre_m_boggerty","speaker_confidence":0.95,"start_sec":10649.43,"end_sec":10650.53,"text":"Thank you.","topics_json":"[]","vector_id":"vec_seg_101612_465","created_at":"2026-10-31T08:06:37Z","speaker_name":"Andre M. Boggerty"},{"id":"seg_101612_466","meeting_id":"101612","media_asset_id":"med_101612_222f4db39d42ac83","agenda_item_id":null,"speaker_id":"spk_101612_city_clerk","speaker_confidence":0.95,"start_sec":10652.11,"end_sec":10679.78,"text":"Next is M Santiago?","topics_json":"[]","vector_id":"vec_seg_101612_466","created_at":"2026-10-31T08:06:37Z","speaker_name":null},{"id":"seg_101612_467","meeting_id":"101612","media_asset_id":"med_101612_222f4db39d42ac83","agenda_item_id":null,"speaker_id":"off_andre_m_boggerty","speaker_confidence":0.95,"start_sec":10680.51,"end_sec":10683.97,"text":"No. Going once, twice, three times, next.","topics_json":"[]","vector_id":"vec_seg_101612_467","created_at":"2026-10-31T08:06:37Z","speaker_name":"Andre M. Boggerty"},{"id":"seg_101612_468","meeting_id":"101612","media_asset_id":"med_101612_222f4db39d42ac83","agenda_item_id":null,"speaker_id":"spk_101612_city_clerk","speaker_confidence":0.95,"start_sec":10684.34,"end_sec":10685.92,"text":"Sondra Caldwell?","topics_json":"[]","vector_id":"vec_seg_101612_468","created_at":"2026-10-31T08:06:37Z","speaker_name":null},{"id":"seg_101612_469","meeting_id":"101612","media_asset_id":"med_101612_222f4db39d42ac83","agenda_item_id":null,"speaker_id":"spk_101612_city_clerk","speaker_confidence":0.95,"start_sec":10686.83,"end_sec":10689.69,"text":"Left. Okay. Um, Anthony Wilson.","topics_json":"[]","vector_id":"vec_seg_101612_469","created_at":"2026-10-31T08:06:37Z","speaker_name":null},{"id":"seg_101612_47","meeting_id":"101612","media_asset_id":"med_101612_222f4db39d42ac83","agenda_item_id":null,"speaker_id":"spk_101612_mr_wilson","speaker_confidence":0.95,"start_sec":1901.35,"end_sec":1914.65,"text":"Yes, sir. We have a plan. Yes, sir. We have a plan. We have three grant writers, and we have a donation plan for that. Yes, we do. If it also would have insurance. Yes, sir.","topics_json":"[\"budget\"]","vector_id":"vec_seg_101612_47","created_at":"2026-10-31T08:06:36Z","speaker_name":null},{"id":"seg_101612_470","meeting_id":"101612","media_asset_id":"med_101612_222f4db39d42ac83","agenda_item_id":null,"speaker_id":"spk_101612_anthony_wilson","speaker_confidence":0.95,"start_sec":10696.87,"end_sec":10832.23,"text":"Good evening, everyone. My name is Anthony Wilson. I'm a Dover resident, to Dover. And when I first moved here, about six months ago, uh the only concern was people flying up and down the street. And I just found out, actually, from that that that little flashing sign, speed limit, it turns red if you go way too fast. So if you go like 50 mph, numbers turn red. I never knew that. I've never seen anyone go 25 mph over the speed limit like straight up in a residential area, so. Uh that blockade that's currently there, it is working. Uh like everyone else said, there's many neighbors that uh I didn't even know existed. I thought my block was relatively empty until uh they put that blockade up there. Uh I have five girls, well, I have four girls and one boy, but I have five children, and they're all small and their biggest concern was that there were no other children that lived in our neighborhood until to that blockade. So, it is working. It's deterring people from doing the wrong thing. Uh I believe if we move it and get put a sign there, um those signs usually only deter the law-abiding citizens, but that's not what we're worried about. It's the ones who are going 60, 70, 80 mph down the road and like my vehicles have been almost hit multiple times. I'm a runner. I just started running in the neighborhood uh because I felt like it was unsafe to do so before, and so. And uh I know someone mentioned something about uh like emergency vehicles coming. I know about 3 days, 3 nights ago, I guess someone called the police and they got there relatively fast. One police car came from up from towards Division and the other one came around uh up near where the blockade is and they got there about within 30 seconds of each other. So, they're not really a big hindrance on emergency vehicles and yeah, if you put a gate there, they can run through those gates. I work with uh I'm a military member, so we work with police, fire for emergency management as well, and they do it all the time, so. But that's all I have and hopefully uh a temporary blockade, you can just keep it there as long as you need to. Thank you.","topics_json":"[\"public_safety\"]","vector_id":"vec_seg_101612_470","created_at":"2026-10-31T08:06:37Z","speaker_name":"Anthony Wilson"},{"id":"seg_101612_471","meeting_id":"101612","media_asset_id":"med_101612_222f4db39d42ac83","agenda_item_id":null,"speaker_id":"off_andre_m_boggerty","speaker_confidence":0.95,"start_sec":10832.23,"end_sec":10833.08,"text":"Thank you.","topics_json":"[]","vector_id":"vec_seg_101612_471","created_at":"2026-10-31T08:06:37Z","speaker_name":"Andre M. Boggerty"},{"id":"seg_101612_472","meeting_id":"101612","media_asset_id":"med_101612_222f4db39d42ac83","agenda_item_id":null,"speaker_id":"spk_101612_city_clerk","speaker_confidence":0.95,"start_sec":10860.69,"end_sec":10861.72,"text":"That's it for my list.","topics_json":"[]","vector_id":"vec_seg_101612_472","created_at":"2026-10-31T08:06:37Z","speaker_name":null},{"id":"seg_101612_473","meeting_id":"101612","media_asset_id":"med_101612_222f4db39d42ac83","agenda_item_id":null,"speaker_id":"off_andre_m_boggerty","speaker_confidence":0.95,"start_sec":10861.84,"end_sec":10884.28,"text":"Um, we have uh Okay. Okay. So, we're going to go we're going to go Bonnie, who I recognize. Um, we're just going to go from from this side to the back and then you and then we're I'm just going to go this this way and then back. I got you, Mr. Foust. I didn't see it, but it's fine. We're going to call you. They're going to do whatever next Monday. Go ahead, Bonnie.","topics_json":"[]","vector_id":"vec_seg_101612_473","created_at":"2026-10-31T08:06:37Z","speaker_name":"Andre M. Boggerty"},{"id":"seg_101612_474","meeting_id":"101612","media_asset_id":"med_101612_222f4db39d42ac83","agenda_item_id":null,"speaker_id":"spk_101612_bonnie","speaker_confidence":0.95,"start_sec":10884.59,"end_sec":11075.77,"text":"Hello everyone. My name is Bonnie, I live in Dover. Sudler, you know I respect you. You know I call you when I need your help. You're doing a good job, but the one thing is if you're going to do this for that street, I'm glad the kids are safe. I got kids of my own, I got grandkids. My question is, if you're going to do that for that part of town, why can't you do it for the other part of town? We have houses down on our street now that neighborhood good, I say neighborhood good boys, but it's not them. I know them for many years. They put four brand-new houses up on the corner. There's kids living there. There's kids living in 208. The parents are coming and complaining to me because not only the buses are flying down there, there's a black car that comes from one of the stop signs to the other one. He loves to speed just to hear his car make that popping sound. Now, listen, I'm not disrespecting anyone, I agree with everything that's going on, but if you're going to barricade one road, then you need to barricade them all or don't barricade none. If you're going to treat one area with respect, then you should treat all areas with respect, cuz everybody out here has kids, everybody out here has grandkids. Every- Listen, my child's handicapped. I literally had to go out there and stop a car that ran the handicapped bus. Didn't care. They just flew right on down the road cuz they're on the phone. So, the thing of it is everything needs to be done. If If you're going to charge $500 to $1,000 for them flooding that road, then you need to charge it on Kirkwood Street, cuz this has been going on since I lived here. And that's been back in 2005. You can't get the cops to come on that street. I've not once had them come on that street unless we literally call them 100 times. No disrespect, Chief. But anyway, the problem is everybody's having issues with people speeding through signs, running red lights, doing this, doing that. No disrespect to you, sir, but the bottom line is you have to do it to all. Because we go through the same thing as them. I I'm glad your kids are safe. I love kids. I got three boys, one grandson. I deal with boys. I understand playing with kid- My kids never played on the road where I lived at cuz I never trust that area. And I still don't trust it for anybody else's kids. And there's kids running up and down the roads every day, riding bikes. I even told the lady that just moved in, \"I wouldn't let my kid ride down this road by myself.\" Them kids need they need their parents, but they also need to know what that area is like and how I've been trying to get that area straightened up. Now, watching cameras, are the cops going to watch all of them or they're just going to watch certain specific cameras? Because I got one out in front of my house that the cops never look at. So, I mean, you're going to have to treat everybody the same. So, have a good one. Thank you.","topics_json":"[\"public_safety\"]","vector_id":"vec_seg_101612_474","created_at":"2026-10-31T08:06:37Z","speaker_name":"Bonnie"},{"id":"seg_101612_475","meeting_id":"101612","media_asset_id":"med_101612_222f4db39d42ac83","agenda_item_id":null,"speaker_id":"off_andre_m_boggerty","speaker_confidence":0.95,"start_sec":11076.08,"end_sec":11107.88,"text":"Thank you. Um, Vernetta. I'm just going down the row. And then Mr. Foust. You know, Mr. Foust, I was kidding about your Eagles, that's what I was.","topics_json":"[]","vector_id":"vec_seg_101612_475","created_at":"2026-10-31T08:06:37Z","speaker_name":"Andre M. Boggerty"},{"id":"seg_101612_476","meeting_id":"101612","media_asset_id":"med_101612_222f4db39d42ac83","agenda_item_id":null,"speaker_id":"spk_101612_unknown_speaker","speaker_confidence":0.7,"start_sec":11108.31,"end_sec":11113.23,"text":"I'm going to cry after you talk to your Joe. Yeah, yeah, we need help. He's a big Cowboys fan. I'm a Detroit Lions fan. Okay. 313 is tattooed on...","topics_json":"[]","vector_id":"vec_seg_101612_476","created_at":"2026-10-31T08:06:37Z","speaker_name":null},{"id":"seg_101612_477","meeting_id":"101612","media_asset_id":"med_101612_222f4db39d42ac83","agenda_item_id":null,"speaker_id":"spk_101612_vernetta","speaker_confidence":0.95,"start_sec":11113.6,"end_sec":11223.42,"text":"Hi, my name is Vernetta, and I've been here since college, late '70s, early '80s. Um, and sort of piggyback off what everyone has said, there's pros and cons to everything, and it also we can talk about we want this, we want that, but at the end of the day, it's about cost and what's more um effective, what's more efficient. Um, I do completely agree um with the last um person that if you're going to this is this going to start a precedent? If you're going to start do it on one street, you have to make sure that that one street is not the only street, that it should encompass all streets, because I don't think anyone will um disagree with the fact that we all want our children to be safe, whether it's, um you know, at a park, on the street, just safe, period. But understand that it's going to take uh money to do so, whether it's putting up um a sign. And I live over on that area, so I do know that people do not look at signs, so it's not about that, as someone stated, for the law-abiding citizen, it's about the ones that do not. However, and it is um a concern if any um, you know, fire trucks or police, whatever, have to go through. So, all that has to be taken into consideration, but, again, if you're going to do it on one street, just be fair. Make sure that if another area decide they want to do it, I mean, what would be your objection to it if you've already said yes to this street?","topics_json":"[\"public_safety\",\"budget\"]","vector_id":"vec_seg_101612_477","created_at":"2026-10-31T08:06:37Z","speaker_name":"Vernetta"},{"id":"seg_101612_478","meeting_id":"101612","media_asset_id":"med_101612_222f4db39d42ac83","agenda_item_id":null,"speaker_id":"spk_101612_mr_foust","speaker_confidence":0.95,"start_sec":11232.42,"end_sec":11299.67,"text":"Thank you. You know, I believe the council is mistaken. It's all about gates, good, but expensive. How about the non-expensive things? Why about getting large barrels and putting across the street to block it off and have sandbags there? Most people will be lazy and not want to remove the sandbags. Well, how it set up so that the fire company can get through, that's one question, one suggestion, through all the streets, probably. Or two, you got two sides of the street. Put a cement pole here, put an orange cement pole the other thing, put an orange, bright orange chain, top, middle thing, and have the police or fire call have a padlock to it that is weather-resistant. This way if they want to run it, they're going to damage their car. So, how much would two poles cost and some thick chain cost and a cheap can of fluorescent orange paint? Let's go low tech. I mean, everyone's saying we don't have any money, but I guarantee you you can get DelDOT to put bunch of barrels out there with sandbags tomorrow. Something to think about.","topics_json":"[\"public_safety\",\"budget\"]","vector_id":"vec_seg_101612_478","created_at":"2026-10-31T08:06:37Z","speaker_name":"Mr. Foust"},{"id":"seg_101612_479","meeting_id":"101612","media_asset_id":"med_101612_222f4db39d42ac83","agenda_item_id":null,"speaker_id":"off_andre_m_boggerty","speaker_confidence":0.95,"start_sec":11299.98,"end_sec":11308.25,"text":"Thank you. And then the gentleman behind the gentleman who stood by, I got you. I see you, Mr. Keller. Acorn Lane. I got you. I'm going by the rows. I see you. I see you, Mr. Keller, right there.","topics_json":"[]","vector_id":"vec_seg_101612_479","created_at":"2026-10-31T08:06:37Z","speaker_name":"Andre M. Boggerty"},{"id":"seg_101612_48","meeting_id":"101612","media_asset_id":"med_101612_222f4db39d42ac83","agenda_item_id":null,"speaker_id":"off_brian_e_lewis","speaker_confidence":0.95,"start_sec":1915.65,"end_sec":1921.65,"text":"With that, I'm going to uh reserve my uh last comment when everybody else is done with their questions. Thank you.","topics_json":"[]","vector_id":"vec_seg_101612_48","created_at":"2026-10-31T08:06:36Z","speaker_name":"Brian E. Lewis"},{"id":"seg_101612_480","meeting_id":"101612","media_asset_id":"med_101612_222f4db39d42ac83","agenda_item_id":null,"speaker_id":"spk_101612_karl_keller","speaker_confidence":0.95,"start_sec":11309.34,"end_sec":11355.19,"text":"Karl Keller, 10 Acorn Lane. I'm here just to say I have the same problem on Acorn Lane. People go and White Oak Road, as soon as they make that turn, they just stomp on the gas and go. So, I'm looking for like they're getting a barrier, that's why I'm here. I want a barrier, too. That's, you know, what I think. Why with one neighbor-","topics_json":"[\"public_safety\"]","vector_id":"vec_seg_101612_480","created_at":"2026-10-31T08:06:37Z","speaker_name":"Karl Keller"},{"id":"seg_101612_481","meeting_id":"101612","media_asset_id":"med_101612_222f4db39d42ac83","agenda_item_id":null,"speaker_id":"off_andre_m_boggerty","speaker_confidence":0.95,"start_sec":11355.25,"end_sec":11359.75,"text":"Yeah, just for clarity, I apologize, for clarity for the record, you said Acorn Lane?","topics_json":"[]","vector_id":"vec_seg_101612_481","created_at":"2026-10-31T08:06:37Z","speaker_name":"Andre M. Boggerty"},{"id":"seg_101612_482","meeting_id":"101612","media_asset_id":"med_101612_222f4db39d42ac83","agenda_item_id":null,"speaker_id":"spk_101612_karl_keller","speaker_confidence":0.95,"start_sec":11359.94,"end_sec":11362.25,"text":"Yes, Acorn Lane. Right off of White Oak. Route 9, pretty.","topics_json":"[]","vector_id":"vec_seg_101612_482","created_at":"2026-10-31T08:06:37Z","speaker_name":"Karl Keller"},{"id":"seg_101612_483","meeting_id":"101612","media_asset_id":"med_101612_222f4db39d42ac83","agenda_item_id":null,"speaker_id":"off_andre_m_boggerty","speaker_confidence":0.95,"start_sec":11362.31,"end_sec":11362.98,"text":"Yep, just wanted to make sure it was clear.","topics_json":"[]","vector_id":"vec_seg_101612_483","created_at":"2026-10-31T08:06:37Z","speaker_name":"Andre M. Boggerty"},{"id":"seg_101612_484","meeting_id":"101612","media_asset_id":"med_101612_222f4db39d42ac83","agenda_item_id":null,"speaker_id":"spk_101612_karl_keller","speaker_confidence":0.95,"start_sec":11363.04,"end_sec":11435.04,"text":"Yeah, you can make my road one-way and throw some of the tractor-trailers and all on another road. Or or I'm I'm for having a dead end, to put the barriers up to stop it. I have big tractor-trailers coming through every day going to that uh Garrison uh Development Center. Uh you know, it wasn't like that when I bought my house or I wouldn't have bought it. You can't be out there walking your dog during the day when you've got these tractor-trailers coming down. And like I think it'd be very unfair if you guys keep the barrier up. I thought the barrier was up because they were doing some road construction or something. I didn't know it was up because the people don't want cars going through it. If uh if they beat were driving too fast, that's why the barrier is up, to slow people down? I mean, if they're not going to slow it down, they go too fast, what's a barrier going to do? Just don't make any sense to me.","topics_json":"[\"public_safety\"]","vector_id":"vec_seg_101612_484","created_at":"2026-10-31T08:06:37Z","speaker_name":"Karl Keller"},{"id":"seg_101612_485","meeting_id":"101612","media_asset_id":"med_101612_222f4db39d42ac83","agenda_item_id":null,"speaker_id":"off_andre_m_boggerty","speaker_confidence":0.95,"start_sec":11435.64,"end_sec":11439.9,"text":"Thank you. Thank you, sir. Same line, state your name and-","topics_json":"[]","vector_id":"vec_seg_101612_485","created_at":"2026-10-31T08:06:37Z","speaker_name":"Andre M. Boggerty"},{"id":"seg_101612_486","meeting_id":"101612","media_asset_id":"med_101612_222f4db39d42ac83","agenda_item_id":null,"speaker_id":"spk_101612_ryan_kocher","speaker_confidence":0.95,"start_sec":11443.18,"end_sec":11471.7,"text":"Hello, my name is uh Ryan Kocher, 416 Palisades Way. Uh, first thing I want to say, the last guy that talked is a dumbass.","topics_json":"[\"public_safety\"]","vector_id":"vec_seg_101612_486","created_at":"2026-10-31T08:06:37Z","speaker_name":"Ryan Kocher"},{"id":"seg_101612_487","meeting_id":"101612","media_asset_id":"med_101612_222f4db39d42ac83","agenda_item_id":null,"speaker_id":"off_andre_m_boggerty","speaker_confidence":0.95,"start_sec":11472.07,"end_sec":11493.84,"text":"Stand by, stand by, stand by. Stand by. No, stand by. No, no, no, you stand by. When I'm the chair, you will not disrespect anybody. You understand? So, I don't care about public free speech. Respect is respect. This is not We're not going to turn this into a show because you want to. So, you can So, so, so, if you if you continue, y'all can make a Facebook post about me, y'all should know I don't care. I will stop you from speaking cuz we going to demand respect when I chair something. You understand? Respect.","topics_json":"[]","vector_id":"vec_seg_101612_487","created_at":"2026-10-31T08:06:37Z","speaker_name":"Andre M. Boggerty"},{"id":"seg_101612_488","meeting_id":"101612","media_asset_id":"med_101612_222f4db39d42ac83","agenda_item_id":null,"speaker_id":"spk_101612_ryan_kocher","speaker_confidence":0.95,"start_sec":11494.27,"end_sec":11620.57,"text":"Hello, my name is Ryan Kocher, 416 Palisades Way. I do want to say, I think this barrier is a wonderful idea. I don't live over here, but I used to uh, you know, ride a bike over here with my friend who lived on Bicentennial Road and we would cut through there, and there were a lot of cars that would speed. And I feel like the biggest problem is that there's the um there's the uh radar, right? But a radar isn't really going to stop anything, you know? And I feel like that's why you guys put the barrier up. But I feel like another good idea would be like a neighborhood watch sort of thing, you know, with a camera and everything. I know you guys were saying stuff with a camera, but I feel like like a neighborhood watch sort of concept would be a good idea, too, where you can have like not like a police officer, but like maybe like, you know how like college dorms have like RAs and stuff like that, maybe have someone a concept like that where somebody's, you know, watching the road, making sure, you know, nobody's passing by, so that that way it's not completely blocked off, but this person that is, you know, watching the road would have, you know, direct contact to the precinct officer. Maybe have like one or two cameras, maybe have like a camera in the middle of the road, one on another side, and then one on another side so then, you know, three angles of it. And then um I just I think there's a lot of, you know, things you guys could do other than just block the road, which I'm not against blocking the road fully, but I feel like there's also other directions that you guys could take, you know, especially with a concept like a neighborhood watch. And um I just I you know, I um I like this idea. I like what you guys are doing with this. I disagree with a lot of things you guys do, but I heavily agree with this. I'm glad that, you know, kids are able to be safe here and are able to actually like walk and live, you know, and that's always appreciated, you know? And uh that was a good move by you guys. And I apologize to uh where is he at?","topics_json":"[\"public_safety\"]","vector_id":"vec_seg_101612_488","created_at":"2026-10-31T08:06:37Z","speaker_name":"Ryan Kocher"},{"id":"seg_101612_489","meeting_id":"101612","media_asset_id":"med_101612_222f4db39d42ac83","agenda_item_id":null,"speaker_id":"off_andre_m_boggerty","speaker_confidence":0.8,"start_sec":11620.75,"end_sec":11622.15,"text":"He's gone. He's in the hall.","topics_json":"[]","vector_id":"vec_seg_101612_489","created_at":"2026-10-31T08:06:37Z","speaker_name":"Andre M. Boggerty"},{"id":"seg_101612_49","meeting_id":"101612","media_asset_id":"med_101612_222f4db39d42ac83","agenda_item_id":null,"speaker_id":"off_david_l_anderson","speaker_confidence":0.95,"start_sec":1922.65,"end_sec":1926.15,"text":"Thank you, uh Councilman Boggerty.","topics_json":"[]","vector_id":"vec_seg_101612_49","created_at":"2026-10-31T08:06:36Z","speaker_name":"David L. Anderson"},{"id":"seg_101612_490","meeting_id":"101612","media_asset_id":"med_101612_222f4db39d42ac83","agenda_item_id":null,"speaker_id":"spk_101612_unknown_speaker","speaker_confidence":0.7,"start_sec":11622.21,"end_sec":11623.73,"text":"You might want to go out there. Glad he quickly left.","topics_json":"[]","vector_id":"vec_seg_101612_490","created_at":"2026-10-31T08:06:37Z","speaker_name":null},{"id":"seg_101612_491","meeting_id":"101612","media_asset_id":"med_101612_222f4db39d42ac83","agenda_item_id":null,"speaker_id":"spk_101612_ryan_kocher","speaker_confidence":0.95,"start_sec":11624.28,"end_sec":11653.16,"text":"Sometimes I let my emotions get the best of me sometimes, you know, especially with stuff I agree with. But um, yeah, that's all. Thank you very much.","topics_json":"[]","vector_id":"vec_seg_101612_491","created_at":"2026-10-31T08:06:37Z","speaker_name":"Ryan Kocher"},{"id":"seg_101612_492","meeting_id":"101612","media_asset_id":"med_101612_222f4db39d42ac83","agenda_item_id":null,"speaker_id":"off_andre_m_boggerty","speaker_confidence":0.95,"start_sec":11653.22,"end_sec":11656.57,"text":"Thank you, I appreciate it. Miss McCabe, and then I think Mr. Anderson, I think, it's what he's saying.","topics_json":"[]","vector_id":"vec_seg_101612_492","created_at":"2026-10-31T08:06:37Z","speaker_name":"Andre M. Boggerty"},{"id":"seg_101612_493","meeting_id":"101612","media_asset_id":"med_101612_222f4db39d42ac83","agenda_item_id":null,"speaker_id":"spk_101612_donna_mccabe","speaker_confidence":0.95,"start_sec":11657.97,"end_sec":11659.3,"text":"Hi, uh Donna McCabe, District 2.","topics_json":"[]","vector_id":"vec_seg_101612_493","created_at":"2026-10-31T08:06:37Z","speaker_name":"Donna McCabe"},{"id":"seg_101612_494","meeting_id":"101612","media_asset_id":"med_101612_222f4db39d42ac83","agenda_item_id":null,"speaker_id":"off_andre_m_boggerty","speaker_confidence":0.95,"start_sec":11659.36,"end_sec":11659.91,"text":"I'm sorry, what?","topics_json":"[]","vector_id":"vec_seg_101612_494","created_at":"2026-10-31T08:06:37Z","speaker_name":"Andre M. Boggerty"},{"id":"seg_101612_495","meeting_id":"101612","media_asset_id":"med_101612_222f4db39d42ac83","agenda_item_id":null,"speaker_id":"spk_101612_donna_mccabe","speaker_confidence":0.95,"start_sec":11659.97,"end_sec":11716.16,"text":"I'm Donna McCabe, District 2. Oh, that's okay. That's okay, it's been tough for everybody. Um, I just want to kind of give the other side. I'm sorry to this family and to everybody else who's been affected because I was a speeder that went through there. Um, I wasn't going 50 mph, but that, while that barrier was an inconvenience to me and it took some time to get around, it it deterred me from going down there. I slowed down when I was going the other way. I think it's a very, very, very useful um tactic to provide safety for the community. Um, but that has also led The barrier has led to the um alleyway now becoming a two-way street for people who used to go down that the alleyway behind Edgehill. Now there are people going both ways down that alley instead of one-way. So, that's now a safety issue. But, again, my apologies, and I think it's working.","topics_json":"[\"public_safety\"]","vector_id":"vec_seg_101612_495","created_at":"2026-10-31T08:06:37Z","speaker_name":"Donna McCabe"},{"id":"seg_101612_496","meeting_id":"101612","media_asset_id":"med_101612_222f4db39d42ac83","agenda_item_id":null,"speaker_id":"off_andre_m_boggerty","speaker_confidence":0.95,"start_sec":11716.4,"end_sec":11717.5,"text":"Thank you.","topics_json":"[]","vector_id":"vec_seg_101612_496","created_at":"2026-10-31T08:06:37Z","speaker_name":"Andre M. Boggerty"},{"id":"seg_101612_497","meeting_id":"101612","media_asset_id":"med_101612_222f4db39d42ac83","agenda_item_id":null,"speaker_id":"spk_101612_public_commenter","speaker_confidence":0.85,"start_sec":11723.58,"end_sec":11745.47,"text":"Yes, Councilman Boggerty, I love what you said because you said everybody's going to want this. I'm sitting back here joking with the guy that's back here because y'all that live on that street, I want to come I want to party with y'all. You sound like Pleasantville, Utopia, I mean, it's it's just like, wow. Everybody's saying how great it is and everything. So, I see why everyone is like, \"Well, we want this, too.\" So, y'all are fun. I want to come to your house, I want to have a picnic, we're all going to get together. Y'all are fun, okay? Can we do that? Yeah, I'm like, y'all are exciting. I want that for my block. Let's let's all do this. I love what you said, Boggerty, Council Boggerty, that was cute. Thank you.","topics_json":"[\"public_safety\"]","vector_id":"vec_seg_101612_497","created_at":"2026-10-31T08:06:37Z","speaker_name":null},{"id":"seg_101612_498","meeting_id":"101612","media_asset_id":"med_101612_222f4db39d42ac83","agenda_item_id":null,"speaker_id":"off_andre_m_boggerty","speaker_confidence":0.95,"start_sec":11746.08,"end_sec":11780.68,"text":"I don't know what that meant, but I'll take it. I don't know if that's a compliment or an insult, but either way, it's all good. Who's next? Anybody next? All righty. We're uh We have Councilman Anderson. The chair recognizes Councilman Anderson.","topics_json":"[]","vector_id":"vec_seg_101612_498","created_at":"2026-10-31T08:06:37Z","speaker_name":"Andre M. Boggerty"},{"id":"seg_101612_499","meeting_id":"101612","media_asset_id":"med_101612_222f4db39d42ac83","agenda_item_id":null,"speaker_id":"off_david_l_anderson","speaker_confidence":0.95,"start_sec":11781.04,"end_sec":11783.6,"text":"Thank you, uh Mr. Chairman. I'd like to make a motion-","topics_json":"[]","vector_id":"vec_seg_101612_499","created_at":"2026-10-31T08:06:37Z","speaker_name":"David L. Anderson"},{"id":"seg_101612_5","meeting_id":"101612","media_asset_id":"med_101612_222f4db39d42ac83","agenda_item_id":null,"speaker_id":"spk_101612_council_members","speaker_confidence":0.9,"start_sec":29.99,"end_sec":31.33,"text":"Aye.","topics_json":"[]","vector_id":"vec_seg_101612_5","created_at":"2026-10-31T08:06:36Z","speaker_name":null},{"id":"seg_101612_50","meeting_id":"101612","media_asset_id":"med_101612_222f4db39d42ac83","agenda_item_id":null,"speaker_id":"off_andre_m_boggerty","speaker_confidence":0.95,"start_sec":1927.65,"end_sec":1955.65,"text":"Thank you, um Council Acting Council President. Um, actually, this question is for you, uh Council President, in your other in your role not of uh not committing anything, however if there are funds could this program is to be funded could it be funded through the CDBG? Can you answer that for us?","topics_json":"[\"budget\"]","vector_id":"vec_seg_101612_50","created_at":"2026-10-31T08:06:36Z","speaker_name":"Andre M. Boggerty"},{"id":"seg_101612_500","meeting_id":"101612","media_asset_id":"med_101612_222f4db39d42ac83","agenda_item_id":null,"speaker_id":"off_andre_m_boggerty","speaker_confidence":0.95,"start_sec":11783.72,"end_sec":11784.88,"text":"No, we have one more.","topics_json":"[]","vector_id":"vec_seg_101612_500","created_at":"2026-10-31T08:06:37Z","speaker_name":"Andre M. Boggerty"},{"id":"seg_101612_501","meeting_id":"101612","media_asset_id":"med_101612_222f4db39d42ac83","agenda_item_id":null,"speaker_id":"off_david_l_anderson","speaker_confidence":0.95,"start_sec":11784.94,"end_sec":11786.76,"text":"Oh, okay. I will hold the motion then.","topics_json":"[]","vector_id":"vec_seg_101612_501","created_at":"2026-10-31T08:06:37Z","speaker_name":"David L. Anderson"},{"id":"seg_101612_502","meeting_id":"101612","media_asset_id":"med_101612_222f4db39d42ac83","agenda_item_id":null,"speaker_id":"off_andre_m_boggerty","speaker_confidence":0.95,"start_sec":11788.22,"end_sec":11796.49,"text":"Oh, Lord, yes! Belinda May! How did we... The chair recognizes Belinda May online. Um, thank you. After Belinda May. Okay, thank you. Belinda May,","topics_json":"[]","vector_id":"vec_seg_101612_502","created_at":"2026-10-31T08:06:37Z","speaker_name":"Andre M. Boggerty"},{"id":"seg_101612_503","meeting_id":"101612","media_asset_id":"med_101612_222f4db39d42ac83","agenda_item_id":null,"speaker_id":"off_roy_sudler_jr","speaker_confidence":0.95,"start_sec":11796.49,"end_sec":11803.49,"text":"Faye, are you ready? Ms. Chisholm-Mayne, can you begin to come up so you can be in click?","topics_json":"[]","vector_id":"vec_seg_101612_503","created_at":"2026-10-31T08:06:37Z","speaker_name":"Roy Sudler, Jr."},{"id":"seg_101612_504","meeting_id":"101612","media_asset_id":"med_101612_222f4db39d42ac83","agenda_item_id":null,"speaker_id":"spk_101612_yolanda_mayne","speaker_confidence":0.95,"start_sec":11809.49,"end_sec":12126.29,"text":"Good evening, Yolanda Mayne. Um, I am, like I said, I am definitely happy that there is a barricade at that specific street. Um, however, like Lonnie had said, what you do for one side of the Dover, you have to do for the other side. So, in the works of getting everything together, of including the barricade on that street, along with other streets that need the same type of speed restriction. Um, I believe there was discussion about some type of cameras on the streets that are heavily um speeding. I know we just, like I said, thank you, council, for the street signs and everything else. But they're not just, that they're they're not stopping everyone. They're mostly now not stopping the people that live within my area. Um, but yes, it does stop the ones that are new to the area. Not saying, you know, we need a barricade or anything. But we do need to make these streets that are heavily trafficking, um, one-way streets. We need to, you know, put the cameras up. We need to continue keeping that barricade there, whether the alleyway behind the stores is used as, you know, a two-way street. There are dumpsters. Move the dumpsters in a way so that it's it's not, you know, an inconvenience for the stores and everything else or for the development that's behind it. My case, like I said, I'm looking forward to at least having cameras or flashing lights or something to go, \"Hey, yo. You know, we now have 25 right in your face, and you're not doing 25. You're doing 50. You're doing 60. You're trying to beat the speed limit on the street that literally states what you should be doing.\" It's It's not council that can do this. It's actually, you know, we need to start taking action with putting the punishment behind the actions that these people are doing. Take down license plate numbers for these these vehicles. Send it to the police department and say, \"Look, this person was speeding down the street.\" It's not necessarily, you know, neighborhood watch, but it's a neighborhood. As they say, you can't raise a child alone. You raise it as, you know, a village. Well, we need to protect everyone within our village, not just, you know, this side of Dover, that side of Dover, this street, that street. We need to protect everyone, and we need to make everyone accountable for whatever actions that they are making that are not appropriate, like speeding down the street. Obviously, it's a law that says there's a speed limit, not because we feel like it, but that's just because it's the law. So, we need to hold those who are not following the law accountable. And we also need to make sure that people are seeing these things, bright lights that come on that say, \"Look, 25. Don't go down this street.\"","topics_json":"[\"public_safety\"]","vector_id":"vec_seg_101612_504","created_at":"2026-10-31T08:06:37Z","speaker_name":"Yolanda Mayne"},{"id":"seg_101612_505","meeting_id":"101612","media_asset_id":"med_101612_222f4db39d42ac83","agenda_item_id":null,"speaker_id":"off_roy_sudler_jr","speaker_confidence":0.95,"start_sec":12126.29,"end_sec":12132.99,"text":"Thank you, Ms. Mayne. We appreciate you. Um, your comments are noted. Um, to Chair, I'm not, so I'm not jumping in.","topics_json":"[]","vector_id":"vec_seg_101612_505","created_at":"2026-10-31T08:06:37Z","speaker_name":"Roy Sudler, Jr."},{"id":"seg_101612_506","meeting_id":"101612","media_asset_id":"med_101612_222f4db39d42ac83","agenda_item_id":null,"speaker_id":"off_david_l_anderson","speaker_confidence":0.9,"start_sec":12132.99,"end_sec":12134.49,"text":"Can you hear me now, sir?","topics_json":"[]","vector_id":"vec_seg_101612_506","created_at":"2026-10-31T08:06:37Z","speaker_name":"David L. Anderson"},{"id":"seg_101612_507","meeting_id":"101612","media_asset_id":"med_101612_222f4db39d42ac83","agenda_item_id":null,"speaker_id":"spk_101612_unknown_speaker","speaker_confidence":0.7,"start_sec":12134.49,"end_sec":12136.99,"text":"And it and it is related to this topic.","topics_json":"[]","vector_id":"vec_seg_101612_507","created_at":"2026-10-31T08:06:37Z","speaker_name":null},{"id":"seg_101612_508","meeting_id":"101612","media_asset_id":"med_101612_222f4db39d42ac83","agenda_item_id":null,"speaker_id":"off_david_l_anderson","speaker_confidence":0.9,"start_sec":12136.99,"end_sec":12137.69,"text":"It's not.","topics_json":"[]","vector_id":"vec_seg_101612_508","created_at":"2026-10-31T08:06:37Z","speaker_name":"David L. Anderson"},{"id":"seg_101612_509","meeting_id":"101612","media_asset_id":"med_101612_222f4db39d42ac83","agenda_item_id":null,"speaker_id":"off_roy_sudler_jr","speaker_confidence":0.95,"start_sec":12137.69,"end_sec":12150.69,"text":"Okay, then I'm going to have to ask you to to table that for open discussion, because if it's not within the scope, we have to stay within the scope of our of our topic what's on the agenda. It's not an agenda item then.","topics_json":"[]","vector_id":"vec_seg_101612_509","created_at":"2026-10-31T08:06:37Z","speaker_name":"Roy Sudler, Jr."},{"id":"seg_101612_51","meeting_id":"101612","media_asset_id":"med_101612_222f4db39d42ac83","agenda_item_id":null,"speaker_id":"off_david_l_anderson","speaker_confidence":0.95,"start_sec":1960.65,"end_sec":1969.15,"text":"Uh there are certain specific parameters. I would have to defer that to the uh CDBG manager, program manager.","topics_json":"[\"budget\"]","vector_id":"vec_seg_101612_51","created_at":"2026-10-31T08:06:36Z","speaker_name":"David L. Anderson"},{"id":"seg_101612_510","meeting_id":"101612","media_asset_id":"med_101612_222f4db39d42ac83","agenda_item_id":null,"speaker_id":"spk_101612_unknown_speaker","speaker_confidence":0.7,"start_sec":12150.69,"end_sec":12152.69,"text":"Well, when would be the next agenda?","topics_json":"[]","vector_id":"vec_seg_101612_510","created_at":"2026-10-31T08:06:37Z","speaker_name":null},{"id":"seg_101612_511","meeting_id":"101612","media_asset_id":"med_101612_222f4db39d42ac83","agenda_item_id":null,"speaker_id":"off_roy_sudler_jr","speaker_confidence":0.95,"start_sec":12152.69,"end_sec":12214.99,"text":"The well, we have uh open forum or depending, yeah. Well, open forum yesterday, so it's two Mondays from now. Open forum, or you can submit your your concern to the city clerk, city clerk's office via email, and respond in or we address it at the next open forum. No, nobody","topics_json":"[]","vector_id":"vec_seg_101612_511","created_at":"2026-10-31T08:06:37Z","speaker_name":"Roy Sudler, Jr."},{"id":"seg_101612_512","meeting_id":"101612","media_asset_id":"med_101612_222f4db39d42ac83","agenda_item_id":null,"speaker_id":"spk_101612_unknown_speaker","speaker_confidence":0.7,"start_sec":12214.99,"end_sec":12216.69,"text":"I'm sure does. Yeah, he showed up.","topics_json":"[]","vector_id":"vec_seg_101612_512","created_at":"2026-10-31T08:06:38Z","speaker_name":null},{"id":"seg_101612_513","meeting_id":"101612","media_asset_id":"med_101612_222f4db39d42ac83","agenda_item_id":null,"speaker_id":"off_roy_sudler_jr","speaker_confidence":0.95,"start_sec":12216.69,"end_sec":12236.49,"text":"I appreciate, thank you for being a caring citizen. Now that there is no other issue, um we have um what's called um before us, we have our staff recommendations, which kind of allows for a painting. Um if anyone of my colleagues with the committee members would like to make you have a question?","topics_json":"[]","vector_id":"vec_seg_101612_513","created_at":"2026-10-31T08:06:38Z","speaker_name":"Roy Sudler, Jr."},{"id":"seg_101612_514","meeting_id":"101612","media_asset_id":"med_101612_222f4db39d42ac83","agenda_item_id":null,"speaker_id":"off_david_l_anderson","speaker_confidence":0.95,"start_sec":12236.49,"end_sec":12401.49,"text":"Uh, I just want to make a motion uh. Thank you, uh and and if they want to discuss, that's fine. I I just move that we uh uh continue the uh the the current uh safety arrangement and uh uh ask staff to review some of the options heard tonight and and bring us back um other options. And I I do think that some of these other roads, by the way, uh we we do need to look at longer run with uh items such as, you know, striping more of our roads and and other things. And but but this road is unique, Mr. Chairman, as it even with the closure, it has two entrances. It's only a 24-foot road, which uh if it were built today wouldn't be a two-way street. It is um it has no sidewalk, and it's uh uh and it's connecting a commercial district, a heavily traveled commercial district. So, there aren't really any other roads similarly situated in the city. So, that's why. So, I just move that we continue the the current arrangement, and staff uh comes back with a um recommendation.","topics_json":"[\"public_safety\"]","vector_id":"vec_seg_101612_514","created_at":"2026-10-31T08:06:38Z","speaker_name":"David L. Anderson"},{"id":"seg_101612_515","meeting_id":"101612","media_asset_id":"med_101612_222f4db39d42ac83","agenda_item_id":null,"speaker_id":"off_tricia_k_arndt","speaker_confidence":0.85,"start_sec":12401.49,"end_sec":12402.49,"text":"Second.","topics_json":"[]","vector_id":"vec_seg_101612_515","created_at":"2026-10-31T08:06:38Z","speaker_name":"Tricia K. Arndt"},{"id":"seg_101612_516","meeting_id":"101612","media_asset_id":"med_101612_222f4db39d42ac83","agenda_item_id":null,"speaker_id":"off_roy_sudler_jr","speaker_confidence":0.95,"start_sec":12402.49,"end_sec":12409.99,"text":"It's been properly moved and seconded by um the members of the committee. Are you ready for the question? All those in favor signify by saying aye.","topics_json":"[]","vector_id":"vec_seg_101612_516","created_at":"2026-10-31T08:06:38Z","speaker_name":"Roy Sudler, Jr."},{"id":"seg_101612_517","meeting_id":"101612","media_asset_id":"med_101612_222f4db39d42ac83","agenda_item_id":null,"speaker_id":"off_david_l_anderson","speaker_confidence":0.9,"start_sec":12409.99,"end_sec":12410.99,"text":"Aye.","topics_json":"[]","vector_id":"vec_seg_101612_517","created_at":"2026-10-31T08:06:38Z","speaker_name":"David L. 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Discussion?","topics_json":"[]","vector_id":"vec_seg_101612_519","created_at":"2026-10-31T08:06:38Z","speaker_name":"Roy Sudler, Jr."},{"id":"seg_101612_52","meeting_id":"101612","media_asset_id":"med_101612_222f4db39d42ac83","agenda_item_id":null,"speaker_id":"off_andre_m_boggerty","speaker_confidence":0.95,"start_sec":1969.65,"end_sec":1978.65,"text":"Well, if those parameters are met, is it is it possible then that uh this the funding can come from there? Is that what I hear you saying?","topics_json":"[\"budget\"]","vector_id":"vec_seg_101612_52","created_at":"2026-10-31T08:06:36Z","speaker_name":"Andre M. Boggerty"},{"id":"seg_101612_520","meeting_id":"101612","media_asset_id":"med_101612_222f4db39d42ac83","agenda_item_id":null,"speaker_id":"spk_101612_unknown_speaker","speaker_confidence":0.7,"start_sec":12418.49,"end_sec":12420.49,"text":"It's over now.","topics_json":"[]","vector_id":"vec_seg_101612_520","created_at":"2026-10-31T08:06:38Z","speaker_name":null},{"id":"seg_101612_521","meeting_id":"101612","media_asset_id":"med_101612_222f4db39d42ac83","agenda_item_id":null,"speaker_id":"off_roy_sudler_jr","speaker_confidence":0.95,"start_sec":12421.49,"end_sec":12424.99,"text":"Okay. Okay. Discussion. I didn't I didn't see you.","topics_json":"[]","vector_id":"vec_seg_101612_521","created_at":"2026-10-31T08:06:38Z","speaker_name":"Roy Sudler, Jr."},{"id":"seg_101612_522","meeting_id":"101612","media_asset_id":"med_101612_222f4db39d42ac83","agenda_item_id":null,"speaker_id":"off_brian_e_lewis","speaker_confidence":0.95,"start_sec":12430.99,"end_sec":12447.49,"text":"Thank you. I have no objection in supporting Councilman Anderson's ordinance uh with the agreement that uh Mr. Lyon looks into uh the gate option, uh closing off the road permanently, uh or cement barriers.","topics_json":"[\"public_safety\"]","vector_id":"vec_seg_101612_522","created_at":"2026-10-31T08:06:38Z","speaker_name":"Brian E. Lewis"},{"id":"seg_101612_523","meeting_id":"101612","media_asset_id":"med_101612_222f4db39d42ac83","agenda_item_id":null,"speaker_id":"off_roy_sudler_jr","speaker_confidence":0.95,"start_sec":12447.49,"end_sec":12450.49,"text":"I think that was part of the uh motion as well.","topics_json":"[]","vector_id":"vec_seg_101612_523","created_at":"2026-10-31T08:06:38Z","speaker_name":"Roy Sudler, Jr."},{"id":"seg_101612_524","meeting_id":"101612","media_asset_id":"med_101612_222f4db39d42ac83","agenda_item_id":null,"speaker_id":"off_david_l_anderson","speaker_confidence":0.9,"start_sec":12450.49,"end_sec":12451.49,"text":"Yes.","topics_json":"[]","vector_id":"vec_seg_101612_524","created_at":"2026-10-31T08:06:38Z","speaker_name":"David L. Anderson"},{"id":"seg_101612_525","meeting_id":"101612","media_asset_id":"med_101612_222f4db39d42ac83","agenda_item_id":null,"speaker_id":"off_brian_e_lewis","speaker_confidence":0.95,"start_sec":12451.49,"end_sec":12455.29,"text":"Yeah, uh I wanted to make sure though that's put on the record.","topics_json":"[]","vector_id":"vec_seg_101612_525","created_at":"2026-10-31T08:06:38Z","speaker_name":"Brian E. Lewis"},{"id":"seg_101612_526","meeting_id":"101612","media_asset_id":"med_101612_222f4db39d42ac83","agenda_item_id":null,"speaker_id":"off_roy_sudler_jr","speaker_confidence":0.95,"start_sec":12455.29,"end_sec":12504.49,"text":"Okay, thank you. Any other discussion? All right. So, it's been properly moved and seconded. Are you ready for the question? All those in favor signify by saying aye.","topics_json":"[]","vector_id":"vec_seg_101612_526","created_at":"2026-10-31T08:06:38Z","speaker_name":"Roy Sudler, Jr."},{"id":"seg_101612_527","meeting_id":"101612","media_asset_id":"med_101612_222f4db39d42ac83","agenda_item_id":null,"speaker_id":"off_david_l_anderson","speaker_confidence":0.9,"start_sec":12504.49,"end_sec":12505.49,"text":"Aye.","topics_json":"[]","vector_id":"vec_seg_101612_527","created_at":"2026-10-31T08:06:38Z","speaker_name":"David L. Anderson"},{"id":"seg_101612_528","meeting_id":"101612","media_asset_id":"med_101612_222f4db39d42ac83","agenda_item_id":null,"speaker_id":"spk_101612_unknown_speaker","speaker_confidence":0.7,"start_sec":12505.49,"end_sec":12505.99,"text":"Aye.","topics_json":"[]","vector_id":"vec_seg_101612_528","created_at":"2026-10-31T08:06:38Z","speaker_name":null},{"id":"seg_101612_529","meeting_id":"101612","media_asset_id":"med_101612_222f4db39d42ac83","agenda_item_id":null,"speaker_id":"off_roy_sudler_jr","speaker_confidence":0.95,"start_sec":12505.99,"end_sec":12521.49,"text":"All right, opposed? Motion carries. Uh, we move to agenda item number 2. Um, depending on where you're from, Lockerman or close is Loockerman Plaza Pedestrian Improvement Update, uh Paul Moser, DelDOT, and Jason Lyon, Assistant City Manager.","topics_json":"[]","vector_id":"vec_seg_101612_529","created_at":"2026-10-31T08:06:38Z","speaker_name":"Roy Sudler, Jr."},{"id":"seg_101612_53","meeting_id":"101612","media_asset_id":"med_101612_222f4db39d42ac83","agenda_item_id":null,"speaker_id":"off_david_l_anderson","speaker_confidence":0.95,"start_sec":1979.65,"end_sec":1995.15,"text":"If if it meets parameters of the CDBG, which uh which are very specific, um if that were the case, yes, but I can't guarantee that it meets the parameters.","topics_json":"[\"budget\"]","vector_id":"vec_seg_101612_53","created_at":"2026-10-31T08:06:36Z","speaker_name":"David L. Anderson"},{"id":"seg_101612_530","meeting_id":"101612","media_asset_id":"med_101612_222f4db39d42ac83","agenda_item_id":null,"speaker_id":"spk_101612_jason_lyon","speaker_confidence":0.95,"start_sec":12521.49,"end_sec":12539.49,"text":"Good evening, Chair, uh fellow committee members and citizens of the City of Dover. Uh, Jason Lyon, Assistant City Manager. I am going to introduce Paul of DelDOT uh with a point that this is a follow-up for a uh topic that we had in late April with regard to some of the safety improvements in Forest Street and DelDOT. Thank you.","topics_json":"[\"public_safety\"]","vector_id":"vec_seg_101612_530","created_at":"2026-10-31T08:06:38Z","speaker_name":"Jason Lyon"},{"id":"seg_101612_531","meeting_id":"101612","media_asset_id":"med_101612_222f4db39d42ac83","agenda_item_id":null,"speaker_id":"spk_101612_paul_moser","speaker_confidence":0.95,"start_sec":12540.49,"end_sec":12548.99,"text":"Yeah, Council, um thanks for having me. I appreciate it. And uh a quick aside, can I make a comment real quick just personally about the last part?","topics_json":"[]","vector_id":"vec_seg_101612_531","created_at":"2026-10-31T08:06:38Z","speaker_name":"Paul Moser"},{"id":"seg_101612_532","meeting_id":"101612","media_asset_id":"med_101612_222f4db39d42ac83","agenda_item_id":null,"speaker_id":"off_roy_sudler_jr","speaker_confidence":0.95,"start_sec":12548.99,"end_sec":12549.49,"text":"Yeah.","topics_json":"[]","vector_id":"vec_seg_101612_532","created_at":"2026-10-31T08:06:38Z","speaker_name":"Roy Sudler, Jr."},{"id":"seg_101612_533","meeting_id":"101612","media_asset_id":"med_101612_222f4db39d42ac83","agenda_item_id":null,"speaker_id":"spk_101612_paul_moser","speaker_confidence":0.95,"start_sec":12549.49,"end_sec":12616.49,"text":"4 miles an hour decrease in 85th percentile speed is a big deal. I do a lot of projects like that. That is successful, and those testimonies are even more successful. So, I know you guys got a lot of challenges ahead of you with good decisions to make, but um big props to you guys, both staff and council, for just doing something to get it started. Because that's I know that's hard in the traffic space because everyone interacts with it, so yeah, just kudos to you guys on that. So, I'm here to just follow up, like Jason said. Uh, we presented on a project concept that we had that came to us at DelDOT. Um, by the way, my name is Paul Moser, professional engineer with Delaware Department of Transportation, active transportation, community connections section. We do walking, cycling, urban streetscape projects. So, this project came to us from the Dover/Kent MPO uh came into our program uh last year um, ranked well um, as a very heavily pedestrian-trafficked area. Um, this project can make a big impact on connectivity and improving safety in that area. So, we moved into project development. And last time I came to you guys, we were just kicking off the project to look at what those improvements might look like. Uh, Dover/Kent in their Downtown Dover Pathways Plan had a couple of options, mostly just related to connecting the sidewalk uh and put some crossings near the library for transit. Uh, next slide, please.","topics_json":"[\"public_safety\"]","vector_id":"vec_seg_101612_533","created_at":"2026-10-31T08:06:38Z","speaker_name":"Paul Moser"},{"id":"seg_101612_534","meeting_id":"101612","media_asset_id":"med_101612_222f4db39d42ac83","agenda_item_id":null,"speaker_id":"spk_101612_paul_moser","speaker_confidence":0.95,"start_sec":12616.49,"end_sec":12699.49,"text":"So, uh a couple of goals: uh really just try to slow down traffic, nothing crazy, uh but, you know, those are about like 24-foot wide lanes in both directions with parking. Um, very, very solid pavement space. So, make the make some crossings midblock crossings that people could cross uh there's not really a great location for crossing in the middle of the plaza. You just kind of do it. Um, but formalizing those locations a little bit, try to put them where they help to make it more visible, uh including installing rectangular rapid flash beacons, little uh yellow flashy lights that pulse the same as a lot of EMS light patterns, looking at changing some of the crossovers, again adding sidewalk extending from where the coffee shop is and then towards the east, uh make the crossing Federal Street maybe a little more sense and try to make things look a little bit nicer. Next slide, please.","topics_json":"[\"public_safety\"]","vector_id":"vec_seg_101612_534","created_at":"2026-10-31T08:06:38Z","speaker_name":"Paul Moser"},{"id":"seg_101612_535","meeting_id":"101612","media_asset_id":"med_101612_222f4db39d42ac83","agenda_item_id":null,"speaker_id":"spk_101612_paul_moser","speaker_confidence":0.95,"start_sec":12699.49,"end_sec":12720.49,"text":"So, this is kind of the concept. I'm going to go into the a little of the details around it, but it's a relatively small, compact project. But we think that it's going to make things a little bit nicer around here. Uh, this is really the extent is just on the other side of the bank entrance from Town Hall up to uh you know, bounce crossing Federal Street. Next slide, please.","topics_json":"[\"public_safety\"]","vector_id":"vec_seg_101612_535","created_at":"2026-10-31T08:06:38Z","speaker_name":"Paul Moser"},{"id":"seg_101612_536","meeting_id":"101612","media_asset_id":"med_101612_222f4db39d42ac83","agenda_item_id":null,"speaker_id":"spk_101612_paul_moser","speaker_confidence":0.95,"start_sec":12720.49,"end_sec":12828.99,"text":"So, zooming in uh on this section at the library, this is pretty simple. There's there are two main parts I want to focus on. One is a midblock pedestrian cross. You can't really see with the lighting on the screen, but we're putting in a crosswalk uh that's going to connect from the library directly to Federal Street. You can see down in the bottom right of that screen on Federal Street, we're also doing what's called a curb extension on both sides. Uh that does two things: that's going to decrease the pedestrian crossing distance of Loockerman and Federal, so it's a shorter, smaller distance across. It's going to improve sight lines for people making those turns, um hopefully slow people down making that right-hand turn, and then also include the bus stop on the bottom right side. So, they the bus will now be able to board in the lane, which is the preference of DART for state transit. Um and, you know, there'll be more green space and you know, I think make the place look a lot nicer. Um it'll be aesthetically pleasing improvement. We're going to extend the median crossover, put a sidewalk so you can get that crosswalk, and then at the top side by the library, we're going to put a little curb extension. So, again, the goal there is just to create a very, very visible place where people can and should be crossing uh and try to make that as safe as possible. Uh, should I stop here for questions on each piece?","topics_json":"[\"public_safety\"]","vector_id":"vec_seg_101612_536","created_at":"2026-10-31T08:06:38Z","speaker_name":"Paul Moser"},{"id":"seg_101612_537","meeting_id":"101612","media_asset_id":"med_101612_222f4db39d42ac83","agenda_item_id":null,"speaker_id":"off_roy_sudler_jr","speaker_confidence":0.95,"start_sec":12831.49,"end_sec":12837.99,"text":"Yeah, go ahead. Hold on, hold on. For the record, the chair recognizes Councilman Sudler. Thank thank you, Chair.","topics_json":"[]","vector_id":"vec_seg_101612_537","created_at":"2026-10-31T08:06:38Z","speaker_name":"Roy Sudler, Jr."},{"id":"seg_101612_538","meeting_id":"101612","media_asset_id":"med_101612_222f4db39d42ac83","agenda_item_id":null,"speaker_id":"off_andre_m_boggerty","speaker_confidence":0.95,"start_sec":12839.99,"end_sec":12887.99,"text":"Um, so uh in regards to DelDOT capital projects objectives, do you ever come across a scenario where um what you have implemented may need to be walked back because it's not conducive uh to the business owner or to safety? And I'm talking particularly to I think it's I think it's West Division Street in front of uh Bennie Smith Funeral Home,","topics_json":"[\"public_safety\",\"business\"]","vector_id":"vec_seg_101612_538","created_at":"2026-10-31T08:06:38Z","speaker_name":"Andre M. Boggerty"},{"id":"seg_101612_539","meeting_id":"101612","media_asset_id":"med_101612_222f4db39d42ac83","agenda_item_id":null,"speaker_id":"spk_101612_paul_moser","speaker_confidence":0.95,"start_sec":12887.99,"end_sec":12889.49,"text":"Yeah, yeah, the two-way cycle...","topics_json":"[]","vector_id":"vec_seg_101612_539","created_at":"2026-10-31T08:06:38Z","speaker_name":"Paul Moser"},{"id":"seg_101612_54","meeting_id":"101612","media_asset_id":"med_101612_222f4db39d42ac83","agenda_item_id":null,"speaker_id":"off_andre_m_boggerty","speaker_confidence":0.95,"start_sec":1995.65,"end_sec":2008.65,"text":"Well, from what you've heard um about the work and its effort to to address uh some very, you know, specific downtown...","topics_json":"[\"business\"]","vector_id":"vec_seg_101612_54","created_at":"2026-10-31T08:06:36Z","speaker_name":"Andre M. Boggerty"},{"id":"seg_101612_540","meeting_id":"101612","media_asset_id":"med_101612_222f4db39d42ac83","agenda_item_id":null,"speaker_id":"off_andre_m_boggerty","speaker_confidence":0.95,"start_sec":12889.49,"end_sec":12890.29,"text":"where we've had a lot of...","topics_json":"[]","vector_id":"vec_seg_101612_540","created_at":"2026-10-31T08:06:38Z","speaker_name":"Andre M. Boggerty"},{"id":"seg_101612_541","meeting_id":"101612","media_asset_id":"med_101612_222f4db39d42ac83","agenda_item_id":null,"speaker_id":"spk_101612_paul_moser","speaker_confidence":0.95,"start_sec":12890.29,"end_sec":12892.49,"text":"Oh, I've heard about it. My supervisor is the project manager.","topics_json":"[]","vector_id":"vec_seg_101612_541","created_at":"2026-10-31T08:06:38Z","speaker_name":"Paul Moser"},{"id":"seg_101612_542","meeting_id":"101612","media_asset_id":"med_101612_222f4db39d42ac83","agenda_item_id":null,"speaker_id":"off_andre_m_boggerty","speaker_confidence":0.95,"start_sec":12892.49,"end_sec":12910.99,"text":"Okay. It it I really really really need them to walk that back if possible, you know, because um it impedes upon their business and the when they're dealing with, you know, the bereavement process,","topics_json":"[\"business\",\"public_safety\"]","vector_id":"vec_seg_101612_542","created_at":"2026-10-31T08:06:38Z","speaker_name":"Andre M. Boggerty"},{"id":"seg_101612_543","meeting_id":"101612","media_asset_id":"med_101612_222f4db39d42ac83","agenda_item_id":null,"speaker_id":"spk_101612_paul_moser","speaker_confidence":0.95,"start_sec":12910.99,"end_sec":12918.29,"text":"Yeah, I can have them reach out to either DelDOT PR on that, or if you have a history with my supervisor Jeff Niezgoda, reach out to them on that topic because I'm...","topics_json":"[]","vector_id":"vec_seg_101612_543","created_at":"2026-10-31T08:06:38Z","speaker_name":"Paul Moser"},{"id":"seg_101612_544","meeting_id":"101612","media_asset_id":"med_101612_222f4db39d42ac83","agenda_item_id":null,"speaker_id":"off_andre_m_boggerty","speaker_confidence":0.95,"start_sec":12918.29,"end_sec":12919.99,"text":"Right, but if you could just convey...","topics_json":"[]","vector_id":"vec_seg_101612_544","created_at":"2026-10-31T08:06:38Z","speaker_name":"Andre M. Boggerty"},{"id":"seg_101612_545","meeting_id":"101612","media_asset_id":"med_101612_222f4db39d42ac83","agenda_item_id":null,"speaker_id":"spk_101612_paul_moser","speaker_confidence":0.95,"start_sec":12919.99,"end_sec":12921.49,"text":"Oh, I'll mention it, sure.","topics_json":"[]","vector_id":"vec_seg_101612_545","created_at":"2026-10-31T08:06:38Z","speaker_name":"Paul Moser"},{"id":"seg_101612_546","meeting_id":"101612","media_asset_id":"med_101612_222f4db39d42ac83","agenda_item_id":null,"speaker_id":"off_andre_m_boggerty","speaker_confidence":0.95,"start_sec":12921.49,"end_sec":12939.49,"text":"that we are interested um because we've brought this up before, and not to take up your time, but since we're on, you know, bicycle lane, because I do the bicycling as well, um it's not that safe and um you know, it does impede upon, you know, the bereavement uh process.","topics_json":"[\"public_safety\",\"business\"]","vector_id":"vec_seg_101612_546","created_at":"2026-10-31T08:06:38Z","speaker_name":"Andre M. Boggerty"},{"id":"seg_101612_547","meeting_id":"101612","media_asset_id":"med_101612_222f4db39d42ac83","agenda_item_id":null,"speaker_id":"spk_101612_paul_moser","speaker_confidence":0.95,"start_sec":12939.49,"end_sec":12941.49,"text":"Yeah, a a letter from the city to DelDOT...","topics_json":"[]","vector_id":"vec_seg_101612_547","created_at":"2026-10-31T08:06:38Z","speaker_name":"Paul Moser"},{"id":"seg_101612_548","meeting_id":"101612","media_asset_id":"med_101612_222f4db39d42ac83","agenda_item_id":null,"speaker_id":"off_andre_m_boggerty","speaker_confidence":0.95,"start_sec":12941.49,"end_sec":12970.99,"text":"Yes, if you can definitely convey that, I would appreciate that. However, um moving away from that topic, still on a biking topic, um my fellow councilman uh Rocha, Councilman Rocha and I, we've talked about the multi-use pathway. Instead of uh the the 4-foot walkway, where are we with implementing the 6-foot or the 8-foot asphalt multi-purpose, so that those individuals uh who feel safer riding a bike, riding, you know, um See, when it comes to e-bikes versus um those individuals who are pedaling, there's a difference. Um, I know I feel safer, I don't have an e-bike, but I feel safer on the sidewalk versus um in the bike lane.","topics_json":"[\"public_safety\"]","vector_id":"vec_seg_101612_548","created_at":"2026-10-31T08:06:38Z","speaker_name":"Andre M. Boggerty"},{"id":"seg_101612_549","meeting_id":"101612","media_asset_id":"med_101612_222f4db39d42ac83","agenda_item_id":null,"speaker_id":"spk_101612_paul_moser","speaker_confidence":0.95,"start_sec":12970.99,"end_sec":12971.49,"text":"Sure.","topics_json":"[]","vector_id":"vec_seg_101612_549","created_at":"2026-10-31T08:06:38Z","speaker_name":"Paul Moser"},{"id":"seg_101612_55","meeting_id":"101612","media_asset_id":"med_101612_222f4db39d42ac83","agenda_item_id":null,"speaker_id":"off_david_l_anderson","speaker_confidence":0.95,"start_sec":2009.65,"end_sec":2024.15,"text":"I would like to uh ask uh Mrs. O'Brien to come forward because I do not want to speculate um on the specifics of a of this of a federal funding program.","topics_json":"[\"budget\"]","vector_id":"vec_seg_101612_55","created_at":"2026-10-31T08:06:36Z","speaker_name":"David L. Anderson"},{"id":"seg_101612_550","meeting_id":"101612","media_asset_id":"med_101612_222f4db39d42ac83","agenda_item_id":null,"speaker_id":"off_andre_m_boggerty","speaker_confidence":0.95,"start_sec":12971.49,"end_sec":12976.14,"text":"Those who have the e-bike, um they don't have to really pay too much attention to, you know, bicycling, actually, the physical component of bicycling, and then also looking to see if the traffic is coming, because they they don't have to cycle, they're just, you know, cruising and then looking. Um, so in other words, where are we, or is there any plans to convert some of these sidewalks like we did on Salisbury Road to multipurpose uh 6- to 8-foot uh walkways? I think that would be a little bit more conducive uh try also going green, you know. I think that would be more conducive for us like they're doing in Lewes and and Rehoboth Beach. So, have y'all had some discussion in that matter?","topics_json":"[\"public_safety\"]","vector_id":"vec_seg_101612_550","created_at":"2026-10-31T08:06:38Z","speaker_name":"Andre M. Boggerty"},{"id":"seg_101612_551","meeting_id":"101612","media_asset_id":"med_101612_222f4db39d42ac83","agenda_item_id":null,"speaker_id":"spk_101612_presenter","speaker_confidence":0.9,"start_sec":12976.14,"end_sec":12980.64,"text":"So we don't have kind of construction phasing at this point. No, we're not there yet. So","topics_json":"[]","vector_id":"vec_seg_101612_551","created_at":"2026-10-31T08:06:38Z","speaker_name":null},{"id":"seg_101612_552","meeting_id":"101612","media_asset_id":"med_101612_222f4db39d42ac83","agenda_item_id":null,"speaker_id":"spk_101612_presenter","speaker_confidence":0.9,"start_sec":12981.14,"end_sec":12990.04,"text":"we'll coordinate with you guys on that. I'll make sure that we know that's a sensitive topic. But we usually we can get away with things like this using partial closures. All right?","topics_json":"[]","vector_id":"vec_seg_101612_552","created_at":"2026-10-31T08:06:38Z","speaker_name":null},{"id":"seg_101612_553","meeting_id":"101612","media_asset_id":"med_101612_222f4db39d42ac83","agenda_item_id":null,"speaker_id":"off_brian_e_lewis","speaker_confidence":0.95,"start_sec":12990.64,"end_sec":12994.14,"text":"Okay. The Chair recognizes Council President Anderson.","topics_json":"[]","vector_id":"vec_seg_101612_553","created_at":"2026-10-31T08:06:38Z","speaker_name":"Brian E. Lewis"},{"id":"seg_101612_554","meeting_id":"101612","media_asset_id":"med_101612_222f4db39d42ac83","agenda_item_id":null,"speaker_id":"off_david_l_anderson","speaker_confidence":0.95,"start_sec":12994.44,"end_sec":13022.94,"text":"Thank you, Mr. Chairman. I just want to thank you, cuz when I looked at this in the packet, it was pretty much exactly what I recognize that we had talked about. And, including the new crosswalk area because we get a lot of traffic over between City Hall and across, so thank you. I yield.","topics_json":"[]","vector_id":"vec_seg_101612_554","created_at":"2026-10-31T08:06:38Z","speaker_name":"David L. Anderson"},{"id":"seg_101612_555","meeting_id":"101612","media_asset_id":"med_101612_222f4db39d42ac83","agenda_item_id":null,"speaker_id":"off_brian_e_lewis","speaker_confidence":0.95,"start_sec":13024.04,"end_sec":13025.94,"text":"Chair recognizes Councilwoman Arndt.","topics_json":"[]","vector_id":"vec_seg_101612_555","created_at":"2026-10-31T08:06:38Z","speaker_name":"Brian E. Lewis"},{"id":"seg_101612_556","meeting_id":"101612","media_asset_id":"med_101612_222f4db39d42ac83","agenda_item_id":null,"speaker_id":"off_tricia_k_arndt","speaker_confidence":0.95,"start_sec":13026.14,"end_sec":13032.54,"text":"Thank you. Thank you for your patience and being here tonight. I know you've got to go to work tomorrow as we all do.","topics_json":"[]","vector_id":"vec_seg_101612_556","created_at":"2026-10-31T08:06:38Z","speaker_name":"Tricia K. Arndt"},{"id":"seg_101612_557","meeting_id":"101612","media_asset_id":"med_101612_222f4db39d42ac83","agenda_item_id":null,"speaker_id":"spk_101612_presenter","speaker_confidence":0.9,"start_sec":13032.64,"end_sec":13035.64,"text":"This is entertainment. I didn't come here, so this is, yeah, something.","topics_json":"[]","vector_id":"vec_seg_101612_557","created_at":"2026-10-31T08:06:38Z","speaker_name":null},{"id":"seg_101612_558","meeting_id":"101612","media_asset_id":"med_101612_222f4db39d42ac83","agenda_item_id":null,"speaker_id":"off_tricia_k_arndt","speaker_confidence":0.95,"start_sec":13035.94,"end_sec":13104.94,"text":"A couple of questions. Well, just a statement really. With the the pathways, I just want to make sure that the material used is in keeping with the context of a historic downtown. I would not want to see an asphalt walkway in that vicinity. I don't think it, it just doesn't go with our brick sidewalks and our cement sidewalks. My other question is at the bus stop. So in this concept, the bus would be stopping in the lane and stopping traffic?","topics_json":"[]","vector_id":"vec_seg_101612_558","created_at":"2026-10-31T08:06:38Z","speaker_name":"Tricia K. Arndt"},{"id":"seg_101612_559","meeting_id":"101612","media_asset_id":"med_101612_222f4db39d42ac83","agenda_item_id":null,"speaker_id":"spk_101612_presenter","speaker_confidence":0.9,"start_sec":13105.34,"end_sec":13106.74,"text":"Yes.","topics_json":"[]","vector_id":"vec_seg_101612_559","created_at":"2026-10-31T08:06:38Z","speaker_name":null},{"id":"seg_101612_56","meeting_id":"101612","media_asset_id":"med_101612_222f4db39d42ac83","agenda_item_id":null,"speaker_id":"off_andre_m_boggerty","speaker_confidence":0.95,"start_sec":2024.45,"end_sec":2025.65,"text":"Thank you. I appreciate that.","topics_json":"[]","vector_id":"vec_seg_101612_56","created_at":"2026-10-31T08:06:36Z","speaker_name":"Andre M. Boggerty"},{"id":"seg_101612_560","meeting_id":"101612","media_asset_id":"med_101612_222f4db39d42ac83","agenda_item_id":null,"speaker_id":"off_tricia_k_arndt","speaker_confidence":0.95,"start_sec":13107.84,"end_sec":13121.54,"text":"I'm not totally sold on that. I think the way the bus stops now, you can still maneuver around it and traffic continues to flow. I think I would prefer to keep it that way rather than the bus stopping traffic in the lane.","topics_json":"[]","vector_id":"vec_seg_101612_560","created_at":"2026-10-31T08:06:38Z","speaker_name":"Tricia K. Arndt"},{"id":"seg_101612_561","meeting_id":"101612","media_asset_id":"med_101612_222f4db39d42ac83","agenda_item_id":null,"speaker_id":"spk_101612_presenter","speaker_confidence":0.9,"start_sec":13121.84,"end_sec":13278.54,"text":"Yeah, if I remember correctly, there actually probably is enough space to get around a bus, but I'll confirm that. It's very wide there. But yeah, that is sort of DART's, you know, preferred way of loading and unloading buses is in the lane. And increasingly, especially at that corner, too, people can park in the way of it and obstruct where the bus stop is. I've seen that occasionally. I can't say that I've paid a ton of attention to it. But, you know, city moments, it happens all the time, and you get people with disabilities who have to unload a wheelchair, that becomes a real accessibility hazard. So, you know, this is I guess probably the elbows out concept on this topic. We want to see what you guys thought about that, so that is a good point of conversation for all of you. And another great point of conversation you brought up is the brick sidewalks. This concept shown here is showing concrete, and if you guys want to have brick sidewalks, I would like to know from, you know, historic council and staff what your preferences are on that. Because we would default towards concrete usually. Our Americans with Disabilities Act people tend to prefer that, but there's no reason we can't also do brick. So we are flexible, but recommendations coming from our accessibility people are usually concrete. But, you know, there's a bit of conflict with the historic area and the context, so we understand and we're sensitive to it.","topics_json":"[]","vector_id":"vec_seg_101612_561","created_at":"2026-10-31T08:06:38Z","speaker_name":null},{"id":"seg_101612_562","meeting_id":"101612","media_asset_id":"med_101612_222f4db39d42ac83","agenda_item_id":null,"speaker_id":"off_tricia_k_arndt","speaker_confidence":0.95,"start_sec":13278.84,"end_sec":13285.34,"text":"Thank you for that. I appreciate the efforts. I just ask that the look and feel be consistent with what is existing. I yield.","topics_json":"[]","vector_id":"vec_seg_101612_562","created_at":"2026-10-31T08:06:38Z","speaker_name":"Tricia K. Arndt"},{"id":"seg_101612_563","meeting_id":"101612","media_asset_id":"med_101612_222f4db39d42ac83","agenda_item_id":null,"speaker_id":"off_brian_e_lewis","speaker_confidence":0.95,"start_sec":13286.34,"end_sec":13288.54,"text":"Thank you. Chair recognizes Councilman Rocha.","topics_json":"[]","vector_id":"vec_seg_101612_563","created_at":"2026-10-31T08:06:38Z","speaker_name":"Brian E. Lewis"},{"id":"seg_101612_564","meeting_id":"101612","media_asset_id":"med_101612_222f4db39d42ac83","agenda_item_id":null,"speaker_id":"off_gerald_l_rocha_sr","speaker_confidence":0.95,"start_sec":13289.14,"end_sec":13310.94,"text":"Thank you, Mr. Chairman. On slide 44, where the island in front of the church and the daycare center, where the sidewalk is going to be, I guess you're going to extend that part out further into the street?","topics_json":"[]","vector_id":"vec_seg_101612_564","created_at":"2026-10-31T08:06:38Z","speaker_name":"Gerald L. Rocha, Sr."},{"id":"seg_101612_565","meeting_id":"101612","media_asset_id":"med_101612_222f4db39d42ac83","agenda_item_id":null,"speaker_id":"spk_101612_presenter","speaker_confidence":0.9,"start_sec":13311.04,"end_sec":13311.74,"text":"Yes.","topics_json":"[]","vector_id":"vec_seg_101612_565","created_at":"2026-10-31T08:06:38Z","speaker_name":null},{"id":"seg_101612_566","meeting_id":"101612","media_asset_id":"med_101612_222f4db39d42ac83","agenda_item_id":null,"speaker_id":"off_gerald_l_rocha_sr","speaker_confidence":0.95,"start_sec":13312.04,"end_sec":13314.54,"text":"Is that, is the parking going to, cuz right now it's parallel.","topics_json":"[]","vector_id":"vec_seg_101612_566","created_at":"2026-10-31T08:06:38Z","speaker_name":"Gerald L. Rocha, Sr."},{"id":"seg_101612_567","meeting_id":"101612","media_asset_id":"med_101612_222f4db39d42ac83","agenda_item_id":null,"speaker_id":"spk_101612_presenter","speaker_confidence":0.9,"start_sec":13314.64,"end_sec":13316.84,"text":"Sorry. It will move up with it. Yes, all the parking will be","topics_json":"[]","vector_id":"vec_seg_101612_567","created_at":"2026-10-31T08:06:38Z","speaker_name":null},{"id":"seg_101612_568","meeting_id":"101612","media_asset_id":"med_101612_222f4db39d42ac83","agenda_item_id":null,"speaker_id":"off_gerald_l_rocha_sr","speaker_confidence":0.95,"start_sec":13317.04,"end_sec":13318.44,"text":"And there's enough room for that?","topics_json":"[]","vector_id":"vec_seg_101612_568","created_at":"2026-10-31T08:06:38Z","speaker_name":"Gerald L. 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I haven't heard anything back yet though.","topics_json":"[\"budget\"]","vector_id":"vec_seg_101612_57","created_at":"2026-10-31T08:06:36Z","speaker_name":"Tracey O'Brien"},{"id":"seg_101612_570","meeting_id":"101612","media_asset_id":"med_101612_222f4db39d42ac83","agenda_item_id":null,"speaker_id":"off_gerald_l_rocha_sr","speaker_confidence":0.95,"start_sec":13319.54,"end_sec":13321.64,"text":"Okay. And then parking on the other side, too?","topics_json":"[]","vector_id":"vec_seg_101612_570","created_at":"2026-10-31T08:06:38Z","speaker_name":"Gerald L. Rocha, Sr."},{"id":"seg_101612_571","meeting_id":"101612","media_asset_id":"med_101612_222f4db39d42ac83","agenda_item_id":null,"speaker_id":"spk_101612_presenter","speaker_confidence":0.9,"start_sec":13321.74,"end_sec":13379.54,"text":"Yes. Where there's going to be, I believe, two spaces impacted in front of the library. We can probably minimize that to one if we're careful. And then with the bus loading area, I believe that is three spaces. But you know, people really shouldn't probably be parking there anyway, so that's that. Okay, yeah. But yeah, it's one or two spaces impacted.","topics_json":"[]","vector_id":"vec_seg_101612_571","created_at":"2026-10-31T08:06:38Z","speaker_name":null},{"id":"seg_101612_572","meeting_id":"101612","media_asset_id":"med_101612_222f4db39d42ac83","agenda_item_id":null,"speaker_id":"off_gerald_l_rocha_sr","speaker_confidence":0.95,"start_sec":13388.44,"end_sec":13396.84,"text":"Like in front of City Hall almost, I think it is, along there, like three or four parking spaces there. And then, are the trees going to get cut back, or","topics_json":"[]","vector_id":"vec_seg_101612_572","created_at":"2026-10-31T08:06:38Z","speaker_name":"Gerald L. Rocha, Sr."},{"id":"seg_101612_573","meeting_id":"101612","media_asset_id":"med_101612_222f4db39d42ac83","agenda_item_id":null,"speaker_id":"spk_101612_presenter","speaker_confidence":0.9,"start_sec":13400.44,"end_sec":13429.64,"text":"If they need to be, yes. Yeah. Yeah, they would be. And that's something, you know, from an accessibility standpoint, you guys will probably be on the hook for long-term maintenance of. That said, we do have a grass buffer that we're showing there, and you know, that's usually for comfort and perception of safety for people walking on the sidewalk. But we can probably squeeze an extra foot, push the sidewalk closer to the curb if you really wanted to, so a little more room from the tree limbs.","topics_json":"[]","vector_id":"vec_seg_101612_573","created_at":"2026-10-31T08:06:38Z","speaker_name":null},{"id":"seg_101612_574","meeting_id":"101612","media_asset_id":"med_101612_222f4db39d42ac83","agenda_item_id":null,"speaker_id":"off_gerald_l_rocha_sr","speaker_confidence":0.95,"start_sec":13429.74,"end_sec":13430.14,"text":"Yeah.","topics_json":"[]","vector_id":"vec_seg_101612_574","created_at":"2026-10-31T08:06:38Z","speaker_name":"Gerald L. Rocha, Sr."},{"id":"seg_101612_575","meeting_id":"101612","media_asset_id":"med_101612_222f4db39d42ac83","agenda_item_id":null,"speaker_id":"spk_101612_presenter","speaker_confidence":0.9,"start_sec":13430.24,"end_sec":13477.04,"text":"Yeah, that's not something that we're, we didn't necessarily consider that in the concept phase, but yeah, it's a good point to make.","topics_json":"[]","vector_id":"vec_seg_101612_575","created_at":"2026-10-31T08:06:38Z","speaker_name":null},{"id":"seg_101612_576","meeting_id":"101612","media_asset_id":"med_101612_222f4db39d42ac83","agenda_item_id":null,"speaker_id":"off_gerald_l_rocha_sr","speaker_confidence":0.95,"start_sec":13477.14,"end_sec":13478.54,"text":"Thank you. I yield.","topics_json":"[]","vector_id":"vec_seg_101612_576","created_at":"2026-10-31T08:06:38Z","speaker_name":"Gerald L. Rocha, Sr."},{"id":"seg_101612_577","meeting_id":"101612","media_asset_id":"med_101612_222f4db39d42ac83","agenda_item_id":null,"speaker_id":"off_brian_e_lewis","speaker_confidence":0.95,"start_sec":13479.14,"end_sec":13486.24,"text":"All right. Thank you. All righty. Well, there's no further action, there's no action required on","topics_json":"[]","vector_id":"vec_seg_101612_577","created_at":"2026-10-31T08:06:38Z","speaker_name":"Brian E. Lewis"},{"id":"seg_101612_578","meeting_id":"101612","media_asset_id":"med_101612_222f4db39d42ac83","agenda_item_id":null,"speaker_id":"spk_101612_presenter","speaker_confidence":0.9,"start_sec":13486.34,"end_sec":13491.74,"text":"Yeah, I got a couple more slides. I made this last week, so my memory is a bit, uh","topics_json":"[]","vector_id":"vec_seg_101612_578","created_at":"2026-10-31T08:06:38Z","speaker_name":null},{"id":"seg_101612_579","meeting_id":"101612","media_asset_id":"med_101612_222f4db39d42ac83","agenda_item_id":null,"speaker_id":"off_brian_e_lewis","speaker_confidence":0.95,"start_sec":13491.84,"end_sec":13493.14,"text":"Next slide, please.","topics_json":"[]","vector_id":"vec_seg_101612_579","created_at":"2026-10-31T08:06:38Z","speaker_name":"Brian E. Lewis"},{"id":"seg_101612_58","meeting_id":"101612","media_asset_id":"med_101612_222f4db39d42ac83","agenda_item_id":null,"speaker_id":"off_andre_m_boggerty","speaker_confidence":0.95,"start_sec":2052.65,"end_sec":2062.15,"text":"Thank you. All right. That that helps me uh start the discussion again. All right, thank you. Thank you Council President. Thank you for uh Mrs. O'Brien and thank you Mr. Wilson.","topics_json":"[]","vector_id":"vec_seg_101612_58","created_at":"2026-10-31T08:06:36Z","speaker_name":"Andre M. Boggerty"},{"id":"seg_101612_580","meeting_id":"101612","media_asset_id":"med_101612_222f4db39d42ac83","agenda_item_id":null,"speaker_id":"spk_101612_presenter","speaker_confidence":0.9,"start_sec":13493.24,"end_sec":13619.14,"text":"Crosswalk. All right, next slide, please. So here we are, summer, end of summer, I guess, beginning of fall. So we want to do a public workshop. I was thinking November 10th. I have that tentatively penciled in my calendar unless there's something really popping going on in Dover that I should know about. We're going to host a public workshop somewhere. I was thinking the library, unless you guys have a better venue for that. Sometimes these workshops, we get seven people, you know, but it's part of our process. And then our goal is, you know, we're actually working right now on our preliminary plan set. We'll be sending that over to Jason soon so that he can review that. We can also incorporate some of the feedback now, especially notes for materials and they need some slight fine tuning stuff. And our goal is to wrap up the design of this project in early 2027, so we're sort of on a fast design course for this one. And then assuming that we have budget in the program, which we should, but we're getting pounded by inflation right now. So hopefully, we'll get that ready to bid. Then it'll probably be maybe construction late 2027 if everything goes to plan, but I say \"if\" with a strong \"if\". There are potential hurdles that could threaten the schedule a little bit. That's what we're going for. That's our optimistic schedule.","topics_json":"[]","vector_id":"vec_seg_101612_580","created_at":"2026-10-31T08:06:38Z","speaker_name":null},{"id":"seg_101612_581","meeting_id":"101612","media_asset_id":"med_101612_222f4db39d42ac83","agenda_item_id":null,"speaker_id":"off_brian_e_lewis","speaker_confidence":0.95,"start_sec":13620.14,"end_sec":13621.84,"text":"Next slide? Okay. All right.","topics_json":"[]","vector_id":"vec_seg_101612_581","created_at":"2026-10-31T08:06:38Z","speaker_name":"Brian E. Lewis"},{"id":"seg_101612_582","meeting_id":"101612","media_asset_id":"med_101612_222f4db39d42ac83","agenda_item_id":null,"speaker_id":"spk_101612_presenter","speaker_confidence":0.9,"start_sec":13622.14,"end_sec":13677.44,"text":"Oh, yeah. Yeah, November 10th. I thought I had nine. I thought nine was the number. I already went into this. Yeah, nothing further. November 10th, I think we're going to do that. And next slide. And then if you have any questions, yeah, you guys can reach me anytime.","topics_json":"[]","vector_id":"vec_seg_101612_582","created_at":"2026-10-31T08:06:38Z","speaker_name":null},{"id":"seg_101612_583","meeting_id":"101612","media_asset_id":"med_101612_222f4db39d42ac83","agenda_item_id":null,"speaker_id":"off_david_l_anderson","speaker_confidence":0.95,"start_sec":13680.04,"end_sec":13692.34,"text":"Just a quick statement, Mr. Chairman. November 10th is fine if that's what you want. I just want you to be aware that is the night of Council Committee of the Whole.","topics_json":"[]","vector_id":"vec_seg_101612_583","created_at":"2026-10-31T08:06:38Z","speaker_name":"David L. Anderson"},{"id":"seg_101612_584","meeting_id":"101612","media_asset_id":"med_101612_222f4db39d42ac83","agenda_item_id":null,"speaker_id":"spk_101612_presenter","speaker_confidence":0.9,"start_sec":13692.44,"end_sec":13693.94,"text":"And you guys start at 6:00, right?","topics_json":"[]","vector_id":"vec_seg_101612_584","created_at":"2026-10-31T08:06:38Z","speaker_name":null},{"id":"seg_101612_585","meeting_id":"101612","media_asset_id":"med_101612_222f4db39d42ac83","agenda_item_id":null,"speaker_id":"off_david_l_anderson","speaker_confidence":0.95,"start_sec":13694.04,"end_sec":13696.04,"text":"Yes. Okay, thank you.","topics_json":"[]","vector_id":"vec_seg_101612_585","created_at":"2026-10-31T08:06:38Z","speaker_name":"David L. Anderson"},{"id":"seg_101612_586","meeting_id":"101612","media_asset_id":"med_101612_222f4db39d42ac83","agenda_item_id":null,"speaker_id":"spk_101612_presenter","speaker_confidence":0.9,"start_sec":13696.14,"end_sec":13700.94,"text":"Should I Should we pregame it and have like a 5:00 a.m. 5:00 p.m. workshop?","topics_json":"[]","vector_id":"vec_seg_101612_586","created_at":"2026-10-31T08:06:38Z","speaker_name":null},{"id":"seg_101612_587","meeting_id":"101612","media_asset_id":"med_101612_222f4db39d42ac83","agenda_item_id":null,"speaker_id":"off_david_l_anderson","speaker_confidence":0.95,"start_sec":13701.24,"end_sec":13704.44,"text":"Nothing wrong with that. Nothing wrong with that.","topics_json":"[]","vector_id":"vec_seg_101612_587","created_at":"2026-10-31T08:06:38Z","speaker_name":"David L. Anderson"},{"id":"seg_101612_588","meeting_id":"101612","media_asset_id":"med_101612_222f4db39d42ac83","agenda_item_id":null,"speaker_id":"spk_101612_presenter","speaker_confidence":0.9,"start_sec":13704.54,"end_sec":13710.14,"text":"Does that sound good? Okay, maybe I'll see if the library is open at 5:00. Thank you.","topics_json":"[]","vector_id":"vec_seg_101612_588","created_at":"2026-10-31T08:06:38Z","speaker_name":null},{"id":"seg_101612_589","meeting_id":"101612","media_asset_id":"med_101612_222f4db39d42ac83","agenda_item_id":null,"speaker_id":"off_brian_e_lewis","speaker_confidence":0.95,"start_sec":13712.34,"end_sec":13733.34,"text":"All right. There's no There's no action. Thank you. If there If there are no other questions, I'll call for the adjournment of our meeting for the Safety Advisory and Transportation, and I'll turn it back over to our Council President.","topics_json":"[]","vector_id":"vec_seg_101612_589","created_at":"2026-10-31T08:06:38Z","speaker_name":"Brian E. Lewis"},{"id":"seg_101612_59","meeting_id":"101612","media_asset_id":"med_101612_222f4db39d42ac83","agenda_item_id":null,"speaker_id":"off_david_l_anderson","speaker_confidence":0.95,"start_sec":2062.65,"end_sec":2066.15,"text":"Thank you, Dr. Sudler and then uh Councilwoman Arndt.","topics_json":"[]","vector_id":"vec_seg_101612_59","created_at":"2026-10-31T08:06:36Z","speaker_name":"David L. Anderson"},{"id":"seg_101612_590","meeting_id":"101612","media_asset_id":"med_101612_222f4db39d42ac83","agenda_item_id":null,"speaker_id":"off_david_l_anderson","speaker_confidence":0.95,"start_sec":13734.24,"end_sec":13788.64,"text":"Uh, thank you. Thank you, Mr. Chairman. Uh next item on the agenda is the Legislative, Finance, and Administration Committee. The Legislative, Finance, and Administration Committee is now called to order. We have before us the adoption of the agenda. Is there a motion?","topics_json":"[]","vector_id":"vec_seg_101612_590","created_at":"2026-10-31T08:06:38Z","speaker_name":"David L. Anderson"},{"id":"seg_101612_591","meeting_id":"101612","media_asset_id":"med_101612_222f4db39d42ac83","agenda_item_id":null,"speaker_id":"off_tricia_k_arndt","speaker_confidence":0.9,"start_sec":13795.64,"end_sec":13796.74,"text":"So moved.","topics_json":"[]","vector_id":"vec_seg_101612_591","created_at":"2026-10-31T08:06:38Z","speaker_name":"Tricia K. Arndt"},{"id":"seg_101612_592","meeting_id":"101612","media_asset_id":"med_101612_222f4db39d42ac83","agenda_item_id":null,"speaker_id":"off_gerald_l_rocha_sr","speaker_confidence":0.9,"start_sec":13796.94,"end_sec":13798.54,"text":"Second. Second.","topics_json":"[]","vector_id":"vec_seg_101612_592","created_at":"2026-10-31T08:06:38Z","speaker_name":"Gerald L. Rocha, Sr."},{"id":"seg_101612_593","meeting_id":"101612","media_asset_id":"med_101612_222f4db39d42ac83","agenda_item_id":null,"speaker_id":"off_david_l_anderson","speaker_confidence":0.95,"start_sec":13803.54,"end_sec":13819.64,"text":"Okay. Is there, there was a motion and second. All discussion? All in favor? Any opposed? Motion carries.","topics_json":"[]","vector_id":"vec_seg_101612_593","created_at":"2026-10-31T08:06:38Z","speaker_name":"David L. Anderson"},{"id":"seg_101612_594","meeting_id":"101612","media_asset_id":"med_101612_222f4db39d42ac83","agenda_item_id":null,"speaker_id":"off_david_l_anderson","speaker_confidence":0.95,"start_sec":13820.14,"end_sec":13880.44,"text":"Uh first item on the agenda is GitUp Foundation presentation, Youth Sports and Community Center feasibility study proposal, Mr. Dante Daniel, Chief Operating Officer, and Terrez Trott, Chief Executive Officer. Thank you, gentlemen.","topics_json":"[\"budget\",\"business\"]","vector_id":"vec_seg_101612_594","created_at":"2026-10-31T08:06:38Z","speaker_name":"David L. Anderson"},{"id":"seg_101612_595","meeting_id":"101612","media_asset_id":"med_101612_222f4db39d42ac83","agenda_item_id":null,"speaker_id":"off_david_l_anderson","speaker_confidence":0.95,"start_sec":13883.44,"end_sec":13896.74,"text":"And when you, and when you, uh make sure, please, uh for the recording, that at the first time to say your name for the record so that if, they have it attributed to the right person. Thank you.","topics_json":"[]","vector_id":"vec_seg_101612_595","created_at":"2026-10-31T08:06:38Z","speaker_name":"David L. Anderson"},{"id":"seg_101612_596","meeting_id":"101612","media_asset_id":"med_101612_222f4db39d42ac83","agenda_item_id":null,"speaker_id":"spk_101612_terrez_trott","speaker_confidence":0.95,"start_sec":13898.44,"end_sec":13908.84,"text":"Thank you, Mayor, City Council members. Good evening. My name is Terrez Trott. I am the CEO and co-founder of GitUp Foundation.","topics_json":"[]","vector_id":"vec_seg_101612_596","created_at":"2026-10-31T08:06:38Z","speaker_name":"Terrez Trott"},{"id":"seg_101612_597","meeting_id":"101612","media_asset_id":"med_101612_222f4db39d42ac83","agenda_item_id":null,"speaker_id":"spk_101612_dante_daniel","speaker_confidence":0.95,"start_sec":13910.44,"end_sec":13915.74,"text":"My name is Dante Dr. Dante Daniel, I'm the Chief Operating Officer of GitUp Foundation.","topics_json":"[]","vector_id":"vec_seg_101612_597","created_at":"2026-10-31T08:06:38Z","speaker_name":"Dante Daniel"},{"id":"seg_101612_598","meeting_id":"101612","media_asset_id":"med_101612_222f4db39d42ac83","agenda_item_id":null,"speaker_id":"spk_101612_terrez_trott","speaker_confidence":0.95,"start_sec":13916.44,"end_sec":13978.64,"text":"Um thank you for allowing us to present tonight. I also want to thank everyone who's stuck with us tonight. It's been a long and late meeting, so we appreciate you guys sticking around with us. The reason why we are here is because we're proposing that the city take the first responsible step in exploring a youth sports and performance center.","topics_json":"[]","vector_id":"vec_seg_101612_598","created_at":"2026-10-31T08:06:38Z","speaker_name":"Terrez Trott"},{"id":"seg_101612_599","meeting_id":"101612","media_asset_id":"med_101612_222f4db39d42ac83","agenda_item_id":null,"speaker_id":"spk_101612_terrez_trott","speaker_confidence":0.95,"start_sec":13982.94,"end_sec":14001.34,"text":"Um we're not asking um the city to approve uh to uh for money for construction, for debt, or operational. Um we're asking for an independent study so everyone can make a future decision based on the facts. Next slide, please.","topics_json":"[\"budget\"]","vector_id":"vec_seg_101612_599","created_at":"2026-10-31T08:06:38Z","speaker_name":"Terrez Trott"},{"id":"seg_101612_6","meeting_id":"101612","media_asset_id":"med_101612_222f4db39d42ac83","agenda_item_id":null,"speaker_id":"off_david_l_anderson","speaker_confidence":0.95,"start_sec":31.33,"end_sec":35.04,"text":"Any opposed? The motion is adopted.","topics_json":"[]","vector_id":"vec_seg_101612_6","created_at":"2026-10-31T08:06:36Z","speaker_name":"David L. Anderson"},{"id":"seg_101612_60","meeting_id":"101612","media_asset_id":"med_101612_222f4db39d42ac83","agenda_item_id":null,"speaker_id":"off_roy_sudler_jr","speaker_confidence":0.95,"start_sec":2066.65,"end_sec":2131.15,"text":"Thank you acting uh Council President uh Anderson, and thank you uh Mr. Wilson for your presentation, and I want to say, if I haven't said it uh publicly, thank you for your entrepreneurship. I am a recipient of your entrepreneurship and professional from nice haircut here, a fresh look too, coming back from Georgia, uh HBCU, coming back and you allowing me to cut hair uh in your shop. And I want to say thank you on behalf of of the youth back then, and I'm sure you're still doing things for the youth now. So, that leads to my question. With your program, are there any age restrictions for the youth? Um with our opioid youth disorder task force, uh it is our aim and objective to focus on the youth. We have realized that there is a gap in services when it comes to opioids and some of the challenges and the family unit as a whole dealing with the youth. And I heard you mention a lot about the youth. Can you elaborate on whether or not um what kind of opportunities would be for the youth and whether it's like the age range, under 18, uh could you elaborate on that for me please?","topics_json":"[\"public_safety\"]","vector_id":"vec_seg_101612_60","created_at":"2026-10-31T08:06:36Z","speaker_name":"Roy Sudler, Jr."},{"id":"seg_101612_600","meeting_id":"101612","media_asset_id":"med_101612_222f4db39d42ac83","agenda_item_id":null,"speaker_id":"spk_101612_terrez_trott","speaker_confidence":0.95,"start_sec":14003.44,"end_sec":14089.94,"text":"Um our request is for up to $50,000 um uh for economic development from the Economic Development Fund for an independent market, financial feasibility, economic impact study. The study will test demand, compare possible sites and the facility size, estimate costs, measure economic benefits, and independent realistic funding options. The consultant may recommend that Dover proceed, modify the concept, phase it out, relocate, or stop. This is exactly why the study matters. Again, approving the request will not approve the building, debt, a site, or operations. Next slide, please.","topics_json":"[\"budget\",\"business\"]","vector_id":"vec_seg_101612_600","created_at":"2026-10-31T08:06:38Z","speaker_name":"Terrez Trott"},{"id":"seg_101612_601","meeting_id":"101612","media_asset_id":"med_101612_222f4db39d42ac83","agenda_item_id":null,"speaker_id":"spk_101612_terrez_trott","speaker_confidence":0.95,"start_sec":14091.94,"end_sec":14115.14,"text":"What the study does: the study will answer three basic questions. Is there enough real demand? Can it operate responsibly responsibly? And what economic value could Dover receive? This is this is the fact-finding step that should happen before a larger public decision has been made. Next slide, please.","topics_json":"[\"budget\",\"business\"]","vector_id":"vec_seg_101612_601","created_at":"2026-10-31T08:06:38Z","speaker_name":"Terrez Trott"},{"id":"seg_101612_602","meeting_id":"101612","media_asset_id":"med_101612_222f4db39d42ac83","agenda_item_id":null,"speaker_id":"spk_101612_terrez_trott","speaker_confidence":0.95,"start_sec":14117.34,"end_sec":14155.79,"text":"We conducted a study, um a survey. I'm sorry, we conducted a survey. Uh 609 people completed the survey. Uh 597 came from Delaware residents. Almost 96% supported exploring the center. Almost 90% of their household said they were likely to use it. Residents place a greatest the greatest value on youth sports and recreation. They also identify safety, after-school programming, health and wellness, workforce development as important outcomes. We understand that a community survey is not a feasibility study, it shows strong interest and perceived need, which is why an independent market study analysis should come next. Next slide, please.","topics_json":"[\"public_safety\",\"business\"]","vector_id":"vec_seg_101612_602","created_at":"2026-10-31T08:06:38Z","speaker_name":"Terrez Trott"},{"id":"seg_101612_603","meeting_id":"101612","media_asset_id":"med_101612_222f4db39d42ac83","agenda_item_id":null,"speaker_id":"spk_101612_presenter","speaker_confidence":0.9,"start_sec":14155.79,"end_sec":14178.75,"text":"Um, so basically, we have an economic ecosystem right here in Dover. We're somewhat ignoring it. Again, we spoke about NASCAR. Dover's not Dover is used to a high volume of traffic occurring here. Unfortunately, it happens twice a year, I believe in the spring and then the fall, when I was a child here in Dover, at Dover Downs NASCAR. What we're trying to do is we're trying to generate that on a monthly basis. We're trying to have it one to two times a month, at least, right, which would leave us at about 20 to 24 tournaments, uh, similar to Spooky Nook, Pennsylvania, in Manheim, Pennsylvania. So what I'm going to speak to is this is the case study in our proposal, but if you didn't read it,","topics_json":"[\"business\",\"budget\"]","vector_id":"vec_seg_101612_603","created_at":"2026-10-31T08:06:38Z","speaker_name":null},{"id":"seg_101612_604","meeting_id":"101612","media_asset_id":"med_101612_222f4db39d42ac83","agenda_item_id":null,"speaker_id":"spk_101612_presenter","speaker_confidence":0.9,"start_sec":14179.26,"end_sec":14223.12,"text":"um, Spooky Nook generated, in FY excuse me, 2017, there was an independent study on Spooky Nook and their economic impact. They generated over $100 million for Lancaster County, this one facility, of economic activity for the county Lancaster County, Pennsylvania. Very similar county to Sussex Kent County. It is in Manheim, Pennsylvania, if you want to look it up, as well as we provided our link to the proposal. You can also explore it in there, and the references are also provided. But what we're trying to do is develop a community and economic ecosystem where we're providing a social good, workforce development, youth engagement,","topics_json":"[\"business\",\"budget\"]","vector_id":"vec_seg_101612_604","created_at":"2026-10-31T08:06:38Z","speaker_name":null},{"id":"seg_101612_605","meeting_id":"101612","media_asset_id":"med_101612_222f4db39d42ac83","agenda_item_id":null,"speaker_id":"spk_101612_presenter","speaker_confidence":0.9,"start_sec":14223.57,"end_sec":14244.15,"text":"uh, and more so a community center during the week. And during the weekends, between Friday and Sunday, also, um, create, uh, generate that revenue where we have outside visitors from, you know, the regional area, possibly national area, come to the city of Dover, develop that foot traffic, and also, um, you know, contribute to the local economy here. We're hopeful to possibly, right now, we have Bally's working in a silo. We have Dover Mall right next to it, and somewhat looks like a graveyard out there, right?","topics_json":"[\"business\",\"budget\"]","vector_id":"vec_seg_101612_605","created_at":"2026-10-31T08:06:38Z","speaker_name":null},{"id":"seg_101612_606","meeting_id":"101612","media_asset_id":"med_101612_222f4db39d42ac83","agenda_item_id":null,"speaker_id":"spk_101612_presenter","speaker_confidence":0.9,"start_sec":14248.32,"end_sec":14300.9,"text":"What we're trying to do is we're trying to, more so, not consolidate, but collaborate these two entities, as well as Del State across the street, which we will speak to in, uh, future slides. But we're trying to develop this ecosystem where, as we can see, working in a silo has not necessarily been the most successful effort in the city of Dover. And therefore, if we're able to collaborate and work together, maybe we can possibly, uh, develop, uh, a communal aspect as far as gaining some economic traction here in the city of Dover. So this is just somewhat our imagination at best, but that's what the independent study is for, to explore if this is possibly even doable for the city of Dover. But we're going to need a third party to actually that's an expert in this to actually explore. Next slide, please.","topics_json":"[\"business\",\"budget\"]","vector_id":"vec_seg_101612_606","created_at":"2026-10-31T08:06:38Z","speaker_name":null},{"id":"seg_101612_607","meeting_id":"101612","media_asset_id":"med_101612_222f4db39d42ac83","agenda_item_id":null,"speaker_id":"spk_101612_presenter","speaker_confidence":0.9,"start_sec":14301.41,"end_sec":14337.96,"text":"So we met with the president of Delaware State. Uh, so, I'm sure you're familiar with Delaware State yourself, but we met with, uh, President Tony Allen, and, you know, when we spoke with them, uh, sorry, I don't have my glasses on, but we spoke to different measures. We spoke to Delaware State wants an indoor turf field. We said, \"Well, you don't necessarily have to get it yourself, but we can work together possibly and ultimately achieve this.\" We also spoke to internships, a career, uh, excuse me, a graduate to employment pipeline, so we're therefore we're","topics_json":"[\"business\",\"budget\"]","vector_id":"vec_seg_101612_607","created_at":"2026-10-31T08:06:38Z","speaker_name":null},{"id":"seg_101612_608","meeting_id":"101612","media_asset_id":"med_101612_222f4db39d42ac83","agenda_item_id":null,"speaker_id":"spk_101612_presenter","speaker_confidence":0.9,"start_sec":14338.02,"end_sec":14383.42,"text":"retaining some talent here in the city of Dover with recent graduates of Dover, Delaware. Even if they just stay here 2 years, that's 2 years we've retained college graduates and college talent, whether it be in the technol- the IT field, whether it be in the medical field, whether it be in, you know, criminal justice, whatever it may be. Ultimately, we can retain that talent. And also, while speaking to him, he he we were exploring ideas of land that they have by Sam's Club, I believe, in that area. And we spoke to possibly utilizing land there. But the caveat to that was we would need to add an event center for graduations, ceremonies, whatever it may be that Del State wants to hold. Also, the concerts, I believe at homecoming time. So, uh, that was one of the caveats. You know, we said we would like to further explore, but that's again, I want to reiterate, that is what the independent study will explore: if that is actually doable, if it's feasible, and, you know, we'll see from there. So next slide, please.","topics_json":"[\"business\",\"budget\"]","vector_id":"vec_seg_101612_608","created_at":"2026-10-31T08:06:38Z","speaker_name":null},{"id":"seg_101612_609","meeting_id":"101612","media_asset_id":"med_101612_222f4db39d42ac83","agenda_item_id":null,"speaker_id":"spk_101612_presenter","speaker_confidence":0.9,"start_sec":14384.38,"end_sec":14428.56,"text":"So we selected Victus Advisors. We met with two other um partners. Let me get the names of those. Uh, we met with Sports Facilities Companies and Pinnacle Indoor Sports. What we did like about um Victus uh advisors, excuse me, was that they specialize in market demand, financial feasibility, economic impact, and facility operations. They also already conducted a study in the state of Delaware recently uh in Wilmington or Newark, Delaware, I believe, for a track and field up there.","topics_json":"[\"business\",\"budget\"]","vector_id":"vec_seg_101612_609","created_at":"2026-10-31T08:06:38Z","speaker_name":null},{"id":"seg_101612_61","meeting_id":"101612","media_asset_id":"med_101612_222f4db39d42ac83","agenda_item_id":null,"speaker_id":"spk_101612_mr_wilson","speaker_confidence":0.95,"start_sec":2131.65,"end_sec":2196.65,"text":"Yes, um there's a a program called YouthBuild, and it's with Wilmington Housing Authority and it's um supported uh by government funds. Uh that is a program that we want to start here in Dover. I am now speaking with the Dover Housing Authority uh about that, but we have a construction company, and uh on a on a project of my own, I'm planning on creating opportunities for a YouthBuild. And that age group will be 16 to 24. It's been a very successful program um in Wilmington. I worked with it in Wilmington, and uh that is something because the opportunity for youth to have uh job opportunities here is is is short. So, we want to create something that they can be able to use their hands. One thing about it, you learn how to use your hands, like my father said, you'll never go broke.","topics_json":"[\"housing\",\"business\"]","vector_id":"vec_seg_101612_61","created_at":"2026-10-31T08:06:36Z","speaker_name":null},{"id":"seg_101612_610","meeting_id":"101612","media_asset_id":"med_101612_222f4db39d42ac83","agenda_item_id":null,"speaker_id":"spk_101612_presenter","speaker_confidence":0.9,"start_sec":14429.14,"end_sec":14483.45,"text":"Um, also, they have a flat fee, $50,000. What do you know? Coincidentally, right? So, flat fee, we don't have to worry about being, uh, ambushed with, uh, ancillary fees, hidden fees, whatever it may be. And with that flat fee structure, you know, we cut the check. They conduct the study, or they conduct the study, we cut the check. I don't know necessarily the order of it. And from there, we wait 12 weeks, and we wait for this independent study. And the best thing about this independent study is it's public. So anybody can take advantage of it. Anybody can take advantage. It's not just left for us. We have an idea. We feel like we have some potential investors that we've spoken to tentatively, but, unfortunately, we can't necessarily go to these investors without somewhat of a a plan. Next slide, please.","topics_json":"[\"business\",\"budget\"]","vector_id":"vec_seg_101612_610","created_at":"2026-10-31T08:06:38Z","speaker_name":null},{"id":"seg_101612_611","meeting_id":"101612","media_asset_id":"med_101612_222f4db39d42ac83","agenda_item_id":null,"speaker_id":"spk_101612_presenter","speaker_confidence":0.9,"start_sec":14485.89,"end_sec":14549.24,"text":"So, um, so a request of $50,000 is not a construction funding plan. It's literally just developing some evidence to support whether we should proceed with this. Um, we have to do something. We can't sit on our hands. Uh, and we have to find some means of gene- generating revenue. I believe you spoke to generating revenue for the city of Dover, and you said we have to do something, literally. Verbatim is what she said. And excuse me, that this is something. Oh, this is something, right? We have to find some means of exploring, and we're going to have to spend money in order to make money. Um, we can I understand that there are several other projects that have now arised since we made our announcement: uh, gyms into the Kent County area. Those are providing social good, but one basketball court is not going to generate revenue. Eight basketball courts will. That's 16 teams playing at once, whether it be wrestling, volleyball, futsal, indoor mat cheerleading, whatever it may be. But I encourage you to look at our proposal. It is 91 pages, but a lot of it is the appendix. So next slide, please.","topics_json":"[\"business\",\"budget\"]","vector_id":"vec_seg_101612_611","created_at":"2026-10-31T08:06:38Z","speaker_name":null},{"id":"seg_101612_612","meeting_id":"101612","media_asset_id":"med_101612_222f4db39d42ac83","agenda_item_id":null,"speaker_id":"spk_101612_presenter","speaker_confidence":0.9,"start_sec":14550.52,"end_sec":14604.13,"text":"Okay. So we spoke about potential investors. Uh, we have Jordan Smith Jr. Senior on he's online. He could not make it today. He had a meeting with Klutch Sports and New Balance. But his son, Jordan Smith Jr., his father is from Dover, Delaware. Graduated 2002. First team Second Team All-State, excuse me. And his son happens to be the second best player in the nation last year in high school. He is at the University of Arkansas. As you can see, he's a gold medal recipient. Uh, in addition, he's projected to be the number two pick of the NBA draft for 2027. Uh, he has now signed to New Balance, which is why we have New Balance on. Free it's free items. In addition, in addition, he's signed to Klutch Sports. We've met with New Balance about this potential opportunity. They spoke to us about the independent uh market feasibility study.","topics_json":"[\"business\"]","vector_id":"vec_seg_101612_612","created_at":"2026-10-31T08:06:38Z","speaker_name":null},{"id":"seg_101612_613","meeting_id":"101612","media_asset_id":"med_101612_222f4db39d42ac83","agenda_item_id":null,"speaker_id":"spk_101612_presenter","speaker_confidence":0.9,"start_sec":14608.68,"end_sec":14634.78,"text":"We said we'll try to get them, you know. Um, and they want to see some level of support and not resistance from the city of Dover, especially when it comes to land acquisitions, you know, whatever it may be. So therefore, um, we're going to utilize this to our leverage, um, you know. We're going to try to maximize on the potential of what this could possibly be. Um, we have already conducted some community outreach with, uh, Jordan Smith, also trying to develop him as a young man and get him to understand that, you know, uh, community engagement, youth engagement is actually empowering the next generation, and it doesn't stop at him. So, um, yeah, he won national player of the year, Gatorade Player of the Year, you name it, he won it. Uh, I encourage you to go on YouTube and look up Jordan Smith Jr. Next slide, please.","topics_json":"[\"business\"]","vector_id":"vec_seg_101612_613","created_at":"2026-10-31T08:06:38Z","speaker_name":null},{"id":"seg_101612_614","meeting_id":"101612","media_asset_id":"med_101612_222f4db39d42ac83","agenda_item_id":null,"speaker_id":"spk_101612_presenter","speaker_confidence":0.9,"start_sec":14636.9,"end_sec":14682.55,"text":"Um, so this is actually a sneaker drop that we have with New Balance. So we met with New Balance, and we actually um we collaborated, and we conducted a backpack backpack giveaway as well as clothing and sneaker drop. We handed out free New Balances, free t-shirts, New Balance t-shirts, free New Balance sweatpants, book bags as well. And with that, um, yeah, we're just showing the development. So that is a picture of us. He's in the center. His father is actually to the left in the red and black jersey. They're both about 6'2\". And, um, let's pray for a good season. So next slide, please.","topics_json":"[\"business\"]","vector_id":"vec_seg_101612_614","created_at":"2026-10-31T08:06:38Z","speaker_name":null},{"id":"seg_101612_615","meeting_id":"101612","media_asset_id":"med_101612_222f4db39d42ac83","agenda_item_id":null,"speaker_id":"spk_101612_presenter","speaker_confidence":0.9,"start_sec":14683.58,"end_sec":14738.79,"text":"So, uh, Councilmember Rocha asked us about the phases. What does this look like in the development? Right now, we're at step one. We just want to conduct the feasibility study, right? Um, with that feasibility study, it's just going to, more so, uh, it's going to inform us of if we can even proceed with the next stages, which is stakeholder engagement, investor engagement. We plan on it going to the 76ers. Why? They're going to make the most money they're ever going to make these next 2 years signing LeBron James, right, right? We plan on going to New Balance. We plan on going to, uh, Klutch Sports, which is Rich Paul, LeBron James, working in unison. So we plan on utilizing these potential investors, and we still have the state. Again, 4.1 million went to Delaware Turf right here in Kent County, Dover. The city of Dover didn't receive a dollar. I think that's a travesty for the city of Dover, and I think we need to take the opportunity to take advantage of this uh, of these funding mechanisms that are available to us that","topics_json":"[\"business\",\"budget\"]","vector_id":"vec_seg_101612_615","created_at":"2026-10-31T08:06:38Z","speaker_name":null},{"id":"seg_101612_616","meeting_id":"101612","media_asset_id":"med_101612_222f4db39d42ac83","agenda_item_id":null,"speaker_id":"spk_101612_presenter","speaker_confidence":0.9,"start_sec":14745.33,"end_sec":14763.86,"text":"um, I would say that we're not necessarily taking advantage of. Uh, from there, we get into construction, probably a 2- to 3-year project. We're hoping ideally at the Dover Mall, just because we're trying to revitalize that community, uh, make it look like somewhat of a Union Market in Washington, northeast Washington, D.C. where you bring this foot traffic there, that will bring retail, that will bring entertainment, that will bring restaurants, and then therefore, hopefully some residential units there as well, right? So it's plenty of space over there.","topics_json":"[\"business\",\"housing\"]","vector_id":"vec_seg_101612_616","created_at":"2026-10-31T08:06:38Z","speaker_name":null},{"id":"seg_101612_617","meeting_id":"101612","media_asset_id":"med_101612_222f4db39d42ac83","agenda_item_id":null,"speaker_id":"spk_101612_presenter","speaker_confidence":0.9,"start_sec":14764.37,"end_sec":14824.45,"text":"Um, and then from there, we get into the operations and planning. We will have to be a sign We will have to hire employees, but we will also have to begin negotiating with working with tournaments such as EYBL and, etcetera. Uh, program development and implementation, we have plenty of commu- community members with talent, skill sets, that that they can actually transfer to the next generation. Uh, we're hoping for workforce development, whether that be barber school, which one of our um one of the constituents will actually be speaking to, whether it be yoga, whether it be information technology. Again, we have a lot of talent right across the street from the Dover Mall that can act- actually be utilized, and we can get these social work interns, which they have to complete internship hours. I have an MSW. I had to complete internship hours myself. That can be done at the center as well. And again, community center during the week, revenue maker during the weekends. Uh, and then, ultimately, opening day is what we call it. So next slide, please.","topics_json":"[\"business\",\"budget\"]","vector_id":"vec_seg_101612_617","created_at":"2026-10-31T08:06:38Z","speaker_name":null},{"id":"seg_101612_618","meeting_id":"101612","media_asset_id":"med_101612_222f4db39d42ac83","agenda_item_id":null,"speaker_id":"spk_101612_presenter","speaker_confidence":0.9,"start_sec":14825.99,"end_sec":14864.27,"text":"Um, so and somewhat in conclusion, we do agree on the standards, fiscal responsibility. We understand there are some fiscal hawks here, and therefore, um, we we agree with you. That's why we're not asking for you to build, dig a hole. We're not asking for you to pay for a building. We're not asking for anything with the exploration of generating revenue for the city. Again, we cannot just continue to hold the money in our pocket and think that and pray that we get out this cycle of being in a deficit with this, which is, which has which has been occurring on an annual basis.","topics_json":"[\"business\",\"budget\"]","vector_id":"vec_seg_101612_618","created_at":"2026-10-31T08:06:38Z","speaker_name":null},{"id":"seg_101612_619","meeting_id":"101612","media_asset_id":"med_101612_222f4db39d42ac83","agenda_item_id":null,"speaker_id":"spk_101612_presenter","speaker_confidence":0.9,"start_sec":14875.88,"end_sec":14935.06,"text":"We need to explore some means of receiving an ROI and also maintaining accountability. Accountability that we're not asking for $50k. We're asking for it to go to a third party. We don't want a dollar. We don't want a penny of it. We don't want to touch it. We simply So therefore, there's no accountability issues. There's no lack thereof. Um, and you know, we won't necessarily need to receive any oversight. We plan on going to potential investors ourselves, as well as others can do this as well. If you have the capital, I encourage you, once post-study, to explore means of contributing to this project. Um, and also, in the wise words of Councilmember Brian Lewis, who wrote an op-ed when the Railhaus actually received $50,000 from the economic from the from the Community Development Fund or excuse me, the Economic and Community Development Fund, uh, a for-profit beer garden, uh, I believe it's our duty to safeguard public resources and invest in initiatives that deliver clear long-term benefits and savings to all residents.","topics_json":"[\"business\",\"budget\"]","vector_id":"vec_seg_101612_619","created_at":"2026-10-31T08:06:38Z","speaker_name":null},{"id":"seg_101612_62","meeting_id":"101612","media_asset_id":"med_101612_222f4db39d42ac83","agenda_item_id":null,"speaker_id":"off_roy_sudler_jr","speaker_confidence":0.95,"start_sec":2197.65,"end_sec":2255.65,"text":"Yeah, absolutely, I concur. So, you are saying that there are opportunities for individuals under 18? Okay, thank you. Um, also with the Exhibit E uh use uh for remediation of the abatement of opioid, there's a major section there. Uh, we're having a meeting like I said on the 7th of October. I strongly encourage you to come and anyone else that's in the community to come uh to our meeting uh for not only future funds, but to understand the process itself and what we are doing under the mayor's leadership and administration, what we are doing uh to meet those mandates. Um, so I also will offer that you partner or link with the Delaware State Housing Authority, as we know that they are looking to do something at the Sheraton and converting that into wrap around services. And then you talk about wrap around services-","topics_json":"[\"housing\",\"public_safety\",\"budget\"]","vector_id":"vec_seg_101612_62","created_at":"2026-10-31T08:06:36Z","speaker_name":"Roy Sudler, Jr."},{"id":"seg_101612_620","meeting_id":"101612","media_asset_id":"med_101612_222f4db39d42ac83","agenda_item_id":null,"speaker_id":"spk_101612_presenter","speaker_confidence":0.9,"start_sec":14939.81,"end_sec":14948.08,"text":"I think we meet the criteria for that. We also We agree wholeheartedly with that, but the first responsible investment will be the study. So we ask that you please approve the $50,000 from the Economic Community Development Fund. Thank you.","topics_json":"[\"business\",\"budget\"]","vector_id":"vec_seg_101612_620","created_at":"2026-10-31T08:06:38Z","speaker_name":null},{"id":"seg_101612_621","meeting_id":"101612","media_asset_id":"med_101612_222f4db39d42ac83","agenda_item_id":null,"speaker_id":"spk_101612_presenter","speaker_confidence":0.8,"start_sec":14948.91,"end_sec":14954.68,"text":"Next slide, please. Is that it? It's a video, but obviously it's not playing, right? It's just our vision. It's not a big deal.","topics_json":"[\"business\"]","vector_id":"vec_seg_101612_621","created_at":"2026-10-31T08:06:38Z","speaker_name":null},{"id":"seg_101612_622","meeting_id":"101612","media_asset_id":"med_101612_222f4db39d42ac83","agenda_item_id":null,"speaker_id":"spk_101612_presenter","speaker_confidence":0.8,"start_sec":14955.45,"end_sec":14959.3,"text":"You can go to our Facebook. Um, yeah, so this is just the appendix. This is just the regional market that we plan on tapping into, so.","topics_json":"[\"business\"]","vector_id":"vec_seg_101612_622","created_at":"2026-10-31T08:06:38Z","speaker_name":null},{"id":"seg_101612_623","meeting_id":"101612","media_asset_id":"med_101612_222f4db39d42ac83","agenda_item_id":null,"speaker_id":"off_david_l_anderson","speaker_confidence":0.9,"start_sec":14959.43,"end_sec":14960.84,"text":"All right. Um, thank you.","topics_json":"[]","vector_id":"vec_seg_101612_623","created_at":"2026-10-31T08:06:38Z","speaker_name":"David L. Anderson"},{"id":"seg_101612_624","meeting_id":"101612","media_asset_id":"med_101612_222f4db39d42ac83","agenda_item_id":null,"speaker_id":"spk_101612_presenter","speaker_confidence":0.9,"start_sec":14960.9,"end_sec":14961.1,"text":"All right.","topics_json":"[]","vector_id":"vec_seg_101612_624","created_at":"2026-10-31T08:06:38Z","speaker_name":null},{"id":"seg_101612_625","meeting_id":"101612","media_asset_id":"med_101612_222f4db39d42ac83","agenda_item_id":null,"speaker_id":"off_david_l_anderson","speaker_confidence":0.9,"start_sec":14961.35,"end_sec":14993.99,"text":"Um, let's, um, get to questions. So getting late tonight, so. Uh, all right, Dr. Sudler, and, uh, Councilman Boggerty. Okay. Dr. Sudler.","topics_json":"[]","vector_id":"vec_seg_101612_625","created_at":"2026-10-31T08:06:38Z","speaker_name":"David L. Anderson"},{"id":"seg_101612_626","meeting_id":"101612","media_asset_id":"med_101612_222f4db39d42ac83","agenda_item_id":null,"speaker_id":"off_roy_sudler_jr","speaker_confidence":0.95,"start_sec":14994.63,"end_sec":15055.23,"text":"Thank you, Chairman Anderson, for recognizing me. Very well-orchestrated. I I think, um, you definitely did exhibit a a robust background in the gap in services that's needed for the youth. Um, I love the fact that you acknowledged that we do have a deficit and you worked around that in your uh, persuasive approach. Um, I also like the fact that you are trying to generate capital for the capital of Delaware. Uh, in addition to that, uh, your youth engagement, uh, it sounds like it goes beyond basketball, uh, also dealing with social and emotional challenges and providing, uh, the youth with psychological defense mechanisms, uh, to cope with those challenges. Uh, I just have one question. Where's my New Balances? No, I'm just joking.","topics_json":"[\"budget\"]","vector_id":"vec_seg_101612_626","created_at":"2026-10-31T08:06:38Z","speaker_name":"Roy Sudler, Jr."},{"id":"seg_101612_627","meeting_id":"101612","media_asset_id":"med_101612_222f4db39d42ac83","agenda_item_id":null,"speaker_id":"spk_101612_presenter","speaker_confidence":0.9,"start_sec":15059.14,"end_sec":15060.42,"text":"We do plan on doing a giveaway here, though, so.","topics_json":"[]","vector_id":"vec_seg_101612_627","created_at":"2026-10-31T08:06:38Z","speaker_name":null},{"id":"seg_101612_628","meeting_id":"101612","media_asset_id":"med_101612_222f4db39d42ac83","agenda_item_id":null,"speaker_id":"off_roy_sudler_jr","speaker_confidence":0.95,"start_sec":15061,"end_sec":15117.94,"text":"Now, we appreciate you, brother. But, on the on the on the real, um, very, very well, very well put together. I want to give you a round of applause. Everyone, come on. I want to offer to you, um, to please, uh, come to, uh, the Mayor's Blue Ribbon Opioid Use Disorder task force meeting on October 7th here in City Hall chambers on the 6th. Since you are dealing with, uh, psychological challenges, social and emotional challenges dealing with youth, I believe that, um, your framework that you have here can fit into our OUD, um, youth real cost campaign, and I believe that, uh, you should come and do a presentation or a quick synopsis to our committee","topics_json":"[]","vector_id":"vec_seg_101612_628","created_at":"2026-10-31T08:06:38Z","speaker_name":"Roy Sudler, Jr."},{"id":"seg_101612_629","meeting_id":"101612","media_asset_id":"med_101612_222f4db39d42ac83","agenda_item_id":null,"speaker_id":"off_roy_sudler_jr","speaker_confidence":0.95,"start_sec":15121.27,"end_sec":15137.11,"text":"and see how we can help you, uh, with the $50,000, uh, amount. Now, I can't say I can't speak for the entire body, but as the chairperson, I can say that does this does fit within the scope of the exhibit E, uh, guidelines for, you know, OUD, uh, usage, remediation, and abatement usage.","topics_json":"[\"budget\"]","vector_id":"vec_seg_101612_629","created_at":"2026-10-31T08:06:38Z","speaker_name":"Roy Sudler, Jr."},{"id":"seg_101612_63","meeting_id":"101612","media_asset_id":"med_101612_222f4db39d42ac83","agenda_item_id":null,"speaker_id":"spk_101612_mr_wilson","speaker_confidence":0.95,"start_sec":2256.15,"end_sec":2257.65,"text":"I'm meeting with them tomorrow.","topics_json":"[\"housing\"]","vector_id":"vec_seg_101612_63","created_at":"2026-10-31T08:06:36Z","speaker_name":null},{"id":"seg_101612_630","meeting_id":"101612","media_asset_id":"med_101612_222f4db39d42ac83","agenda_item_id":null,"speaker_id":"off_roy_sudler_jr","speaker_confidence":0.95,"start_sec":15137.24,"end_sec":15184.88,"text":"So I know I'm just trying to provide you another avenue to to gain, uh, income in regards to this matter for your assessment, because it's dealing with youth. We are dealing with youth right now in our campaign, and I believe that, um, that seemed where you make your your framework make fit in. And at the very least, if it doesn't fit in, well, I'm sure it fits in our framework, but if if it's too late or if for some reason we can't assist you or partner with you, we can also, uh, forward your information to the state Opioid Use Disorder, uh, Committee. And they have a lot more money than we have, okay? And a lot more resources. And, um, I'm sure with our recommendation, or at least with I won't say recommendation, but more so with our eye, uh, in one, you know, your framework, um, that they'll also consider that inside of their framework as well, because, you know, they're also looking for organizations such as yours that's put together, recognizes the gap in services, uh, that relates or correlates with the Opioid Use Disorder, uh, challenges and aims.","topics_json":"[\"budget\"]","vector_id":"vec_seg_101612_630","created_at":"2026-10-31T08:06:38Z","speaker_name":"Roy Sudler, Jr."},{"id":"seg_101612_631","meeting_id":"101612","media_asset_id":"med_101612_222f4db39d42ac83","agenda_item_id":null,"speaker_id":"off_roy_sudler_jr","speaker_confidence":0.95,"start_sec":15207.65,"end_sec":15249,"text":"So I want to offer that to you and say thank you. Um, both of you did an excellent job. You all did an excellent job, uh, and and we also thank you for, like I said, uh, bringing up the fact that you acknowledge that we do have some monetary challenges. Um, but, you know, uh, we can help you in any way we can. I'm sure we will. I yield. Thank you for recognizing me, Chair.","topics_json":"[\"budget\"]","vector_id":"vec_seg_101612_631","created_at":"2026-10-31T08:06:38Z","speaker_name":"Roy Sudler, Jr."},{"id":"seg_101612_632","meeting_id":"101612","media_asset_id":"med_101612_222f4db39d42ac83","agenda_item_id":null,"speaker_id":"spk_101612_presenter","speaker_confidence":0.9,"start_sec":15249.13,"end_sec":15249.39,"text":"Thank you.","topics_json":"[]","vector_id":"vec_seg_101612_632","created_at":"2026-10-31T08:06:38Z","speaker_name":null},{"id":"seg_101612_633","meeting_id":"101612","media_asset_id":"med_101612_222f4db39d42ac83","agenda_item_id":null,"speaker_id":"off_david_l_anderson","speaker_confidence":0.9,"start_sec":15249.45,"end_sec":15250.93,"text":"Thank you. Councilman Boggerty, you're recognized.","topics_json":"[]","vector_id":"vec_seg_101612_633","created_at":"2026-10-31T08:06:38Z","speaker_name":"David L. Anderson"},{"id":"seg_101612_634","meeting_id":"101612","media_asset_id":"med_101612_222f4db39d42ac83","agenda_item_id":null,"speaker_id":"off_andre_m_boggerty","speaker_confidence":0.95,"start_sec":15251.12,"end_sec":15266.7,"text":"Thank you. Thank you, uh, Council President. Ah, and with with with the council, uh, president's permission, I see two young gentlemen with papers that look like they have something to say. They've been stellar, and it's been a long night. Um, and, um, I if I know we don't go back to public form, but these young men have been here and stellar. And I I want to yield some of my time to them. First, I have a couple questions. What school do you go to?","topics_json":"[]","vector_id":"vec_seg_101612_634","created_at":"2026-10-31T08:06:38Z","speaker_name":"Andre M. 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Boggerty"},{"id":"seg_101612_637","meeting_id":"101612","media_asset_id":"med_101612_222f4db39d42ac83","agenda_item_id":null,"speaker_id":null,"speaker_confidence":0.9,"start_sec":15269.72,"end_sec":15270.04,"text":"[Withheld: this speaker said they are a child or a school student.]","topics_json":"[]","vector_id":"vec_seg_101612_637","created_at":"2026-10-31T08:06:38Z","speaker_name":null},{"id":"seg_101612_638","meeting_id":"101612","media_asset_id":"med_101612_222f4db39d42ac83","agenda_item_id":null,"speaker_id":"off_andre_m_boggerty","speaker_confidence":0.95,"start_sec":15270.23,"end_sec":15281.58,"text":"All right. So when you get done, what's your teacher? Cuz we want to email them how about your social studies, your civics lesson. So when you get done, tell him your teacher's name, and they're going to get an email from Councilman Boggerty to say that you were doing civic uh work today. Hopefully, you get some extra credit. All right. Now, go ahead.","topics_json":"[]","vector_id":"vec_seg_101612_638","created_at":"2026-10-31T08:06:38Z","speaker_name":"Andre M. Boggerty"},{"id":"seg_101612_639","meeting_id":"101612","media_asset_id":"med_101612_222f4db39d42ac83","agenda_item_id":null,"speaker_id":"off_david_l_anderson","speaker_confidence":0.9,"start_sec":15282.03,"end_sec":15282.92,"text":"And and what's your name, please?","topics_json":"[]","vector_id":"vec_seg_101612_639","created_at":"2026-10-31T08:06:38Z","speaker_name":"David L. Anderson"},{"id":"seg_101612_64","meeting_id":"101612","media_asset_id":"med_101612_222f4db39d42ac83","agenda_item_id":null,"speaker_id":"off_roy_sudler_jr","speaker_confidence":0.95,"start_sec":2258.15,"end_sec":2263.15,"text":"Okay. I ain't going to say no more. Thank you, that's it. Ain't no more I can say. Thank you, I yield.","topics_json":"[]","vector_id":"vec_seg_101612_64","created_at":"2026-10-31T08:06:36Z","speaker_name":"Roy Sudler, Jr."},{"id":"seg_101612_640","meeting_id":"101612","media_asset_id":"med_101612_222f4db39d42ac83","agenda_item_id":null,"speaker_id":null,"speaker_confidence":0.95,"start_sec":15283.24,"end_sec":15284.01,"text":"[Withheld: this speaker said they are a child or a school student.]","topics_json":"[]","vector_id":"vec_seg_101612_640","created_at":"2026-10-31T08:06:38Z","speaker_name":null},{"id":"seg_101612_641","meeting_id":"101612","media_asset_id":"med_101612_222f4db39d42ac83","agenda_item_id":null,"speaker_id":"off_david_l_anderson","speaker_confidence":0.9,"start_sec":15284.21,"end_sec":15285.36,"text":"Thank you. You may continue.","topics_json":"[]","vector_id":"vec_seg_101612_641","created_at":"2026-10-31T08:06:38Z","speaker_name":"David L. 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Boggerty"},{"id":"seg_101612_646","meeting_id":"101612","media_asset_id":"med_101612_222f4db39d42ac83","agenda_item_id":null,"speaker_id":null,"speaker_confidence":0.9,"start_sec":15334.29,"end_sec":15335.44,"text":"[Withheld: this speaker said they are a child or a school student.]","topics_json":"[]","vector_id":"vec_seg_101612_646","created_at":"2026-10-31T08:06:38Z","speaker_name":null},{"id":"seg_101612_647","meeting_id":"101612","media_asset_id":"med_101612_222f4db39d42ac83","agenda_item_id":null,"speaker_id":null,"speaker_confidence":0.85,"start_sec":15335.44,"end_sec":15341.24,"text":"[Withheld: this speaker said they are a child or a school student.]","topics_json":"[]","vector_id":"vec_seg_101612_647","created_at":"2026-10-31T08:06:38Z","speaker_name":null},{"id":"seg_101612_648","meeting_id":"101612","media_asset_id":"med_101612_222f4db39d42ac83","agenda_item_id":null,"speaker_id":"off_andre_m_boggerty","speaker_confidence":0.95,"start_sec":15341.24,"end_sec":15342.74,"text":"What position you play?","topics_json":"[]","vector_id":"vec_seg_101612_648","created_at":"2026-10-31T08:06:38Z","speaker_name":"Andre M. 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Anderson"},{"id":"seg_101612_650","meeting_id":"101612","media_asset_id":"med_101612_222f4db39d42ac83","agenda_item_id":null,"speaker_id":"off_andre_m_boggerty","speaker_confidence":0.95,"start_sec":15344.84,"end_sec":15347.94,"text":"Okay. All right. And what team is it?","topics_json":"[]","vector_id":"vec_seg_101612_650","created_at":"2026-10-31T08:06:38Z","speaker_name":"Andre M. 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Council President, if you will allow kindness.","topics_json":"[]","vector_id":"vec_seg_101612_653","created_at":"2026-10-31T08:06:38Z","speaker_name":"Jamal Snead"},{"id":"seg_101612_654","meeting_id":"101612","media_asset_id":"med_101612_222f4db39d42ac83","agenda_item_id":null,"speaker_id":null,"speaker_confidence":0.95,"start_sec":15367.94,"end_sec":15441.24,"text":"[Withheld: this speaker said they are a child or a school student.]","topics_json":"[\"budget\",\"business\"]","vector_id":"vec_seg_101612_654","created_at":"2026-10-31T08:06:38Z","speaker_name":null},{"id":"seg_101612_655","meeting_id":"101612","media_asset_id":"med_101612_222f4db39d42ac83","agenda_item_id":null,"speaker_id":"off_andre_m_boggerty","speaker_confidence":0.95,"start_sec":15441.24,"end_sec":15443.94,"text":"Wait, but how old are you?","topics_json":"[]","vector_id":"vec_seg_101612_655","created_at":"2026-10-31T08:06:38Z","speaker_name":"Andre M. 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Boggerty"},{"id":"seg_101612_658","meeting_id":"101612","media_asset_id":"med_101612_222f4db39d42ac83","agenda_item_id":null,"speaker_id":null,"speaker_confidence":0.95,"start_sec":15447.64,"end_sec":15450.44,"text":"[Withheld: this speaker said they are a child or a school student.]","topics_json":"[]","vector_id":"vec_seg_101612_658","created_at":"2026-10-31T08:06:38Z","speaker_name":null},{"id":"seg_101612_659","meeting_id":"101612","media_asset_id":"med_101612_222f4db39d42ac83","agenda_item_id":null,"speaker_id":"off_andre_m_boggerty","speaker_confidence":0.95,"start_sec":15450.44,"end_sec":15451.94,"text":"What position do you play?","topics_json":"[]","vector_id":"vec_seg_101612_659","created_at":"2026-10-31T08:06:38Z","speaker_name":"Andre M. Boggerty"},{"id":"seg_101612_66","meeting_id":"101612","media_asset_id":"med_101612_222f4db39d42ac83","agenda_item_id":null,"speaker_id":"off_tricia_k_arndt","speaker_confidence":0.95,"start_sec":2267.65,"end_sec":2292.15,"text":"Thank you. So, I'm fully supportive of cleaning up downtown. I think that that's definitely needed. I'm also fully supportive of job skills and job training. Um help me understand how these two things are connected in your proposal. So, it's an 8-week program, so we're starting off with with soft skills and cleaning up and then connecting to established programs that offer job skills training?","topics_json":"[\"business\"]","vector_id":"vec_seg_101612_66","created_at":"2026-10-31T08:06:36Z","speaker_name":"Tricia K. Arndt"},{"id":"seg_101612_660","meeting_id":"101612","media_asset_id":"med_101612_222f4db39d42ac83","agenda_item_id":null,"speaker_id":null,"speaker_confidence":0.95,"start_sec":15451.94,"end_sec":15452.84,"text":"[Withheld: this speaker said they are a child or a school student.]","topics_json":"[]","vector_id":"vec_seg_101612_660","created_at":"2026-10-31T08:06:38Z","speaker_name":null},{"id":"seg_101612_661","meeting_id":"101612","media_asset_id":"med_101612_222f4db39d42ac83","agenda_item_id":null,"speaker_id":"off_andre_m_boggerty","speaker_confidence":0.95,"start_sec":15452.84,"end_sec":15454.04,"text":"Who's the best?","topics_json":"[]","vector_id":"vec_seg_101612_661","created_at":"2026-10-31T08:06:38Z","speaker_name":"Andre M. Boggerty"},{"id":"seg_101612_662","meeting_id":"101612","media_asset_id":"med_101612_222f4db39d42ac83","agenda_item_id":null,"speaker_id":null,"speaker_confidence":0.95,"start_sec":15454.04,"end_sec":15455.24,"text":"[Withheld: this speaker said they are a child or a school student.]","topics_json":"[]","vector_id":"vec_seg_101612_662","created_at":"2026-10-31T08:06:38Z","speaker_name":null},{"id":"seg_101612_663","meeting_id":"101612","media_asset_id":"med_101612_222f4db39d42ac83","agenda_item_id":null,"speaker_id":"off_andre_m_boggerty","speaker_confidence":0.95,"start_sec":15456.64,"end_sec":15460.44,"text":"Thank you. Thank you, young gentlemen. Thank you both.","topics_json":"[]","vector_id":"vec_seg_101612_663","created_at":"2026-10-31T08:06:38Z","speaker_name":"Andre M. Boggerty"},{"id":"seg_101612_664","meeting_id":"101612","media_asset_id":"med_101612_222f4db39d42ac83","agenda_item_id":null,"speaker_id":"off_andre_m_boggerty","speaker_confidence":0.95,"start_sec":15468.44,"end_sec":15523.94,"text":"They might have saved your presentation. All the slides, the kids might have got it. That was good. You should have started and ended with them. But I have a couple questions, seriously. Um, when I first got to council, one of my desires was to was a rec center, and then we I've learned from one of my former council members, Ralph Taylor and Councilman Anderson and others who were on that there was a survey done, and they wanted a water park, etc. Um, so um again, you know, it's right now. But now I have some questions. If not Dover, have you considered the county? For example, I know an individual who has the Dream Field, I believe, and they were trying to develop that. Have you inquired about added some addition to that area? You don't have to give away your your um you know your plan completely, obviously. But uh you know, that's one question.","topics_json":"[\"budget\",\"business\"]","vector_id":"vec_seg_101612_664","created_at":"2026-10-31T08:06:38Z","speaker_name":"Andre M. Boggerty"},{"id":"seg_101612_665","meeting_id":"101612","media_asset_id":"med_101612_222f4db39d42ac83","agenda_item_id":null,"speaker_id":"spk_101612_jamal_snead","speaker_confidence":0.9,"start_sec":15523.94,"end_sec":15792.94,"text":"Yeah, so we considered other areas. Um what I will say is that, you know, Kent County has other facilities. There's a smaller facility in Kent County down in Camden or Wyoming area, and there's a basketball gym actually. I believe Kent Peters just announced that they will be hosting, you know, they're providing some level of social good at that facility, as well as you have Kent County, I mean Delaware Turf down there as well. More so in the Camden area you have John Pitts Recreation Center, I believe as well, which is limited on hours, but, you know. Um so, you know, one of the issues we see with the City of Dover is even with its youth facilities or sports facilities is really meant for senior citizens when you really think about it, because they're in school during the school during most of the active hours of that facility. When they get out of that out of school between 3:30 and if they play a sport or something, it's 5:00, right? Those facilities close about 8:00 p.m., so, you know, that leaves them 3 hours possibly a day, possibly 4 hours a day, 5 days out of the week, when in reality, it's open from 8:00 until let's just say 8:00 p.m. hypothetically, at least 12 hours for seniors. So in reality, its intention is for senior citizens, whether we want to acknowledge that or not. We're hopeful to provide that asset to the City of Dover, as we are two Dover High graduates. We are from Dover, Delaware. Um and particularly we're rooting for Dover, Delaware, and, you know, my background, I worked at DC Council for several years. I worked as a policy advisor for council members, also Chairman Mendelson, who I truly admire his work that he did that he has conducted in Washington, D.C. I know about budgets on an annual basis, um the annual report that one of the organizations fail to provide as well. Like I know the importance of this. And what I saw was a deficit on the annual basis. My first step, because this started as a conversation of just gym accessibility, but I thought a bit when I actually conducted my research, I then learned about youth crime arrests actually increasing. I learned about the deficit. I learned about accessibility and the limited accessibility to accessing sports facilities. I know, I'm aware, fully aware of Dover Mall, as well as Bally's. I, you know, hearsay because I live in Washington, D.C., was always, for the last several years was always on the threshold of closing. You know, and what I do realize is when I was a child, Dover Mall was very active. Dover Downs was very active or, you know, and um I just felt like that revitalisation can actually, and re-vitalization could actually occur for the community as I watched Middletown significantly improve. Middletown was a dirt road when I was a child. Uh Milford was almost the equivalent, right? And I'm watching these cities on the uptick, and I'm somewhat seeing a decline in the City of Dover, looking at the Dover Mall, looks like the Blue Hen Mall, man. You know, historically the Blue Hen Mall was the close, I mean was the was the graveyard of malls. But so what I this particular project is special to Dover and also trying to become a partner and an asset to the City of Dover. We don't necessarily want to go anywhere else, because we feel that this is an asset at least worth exploring and allow don't allow us to make promises to you. Allow the third party, the expert opinion, I mean the expert analysis to conduct the analysis, and we receive the report back. We're not asking you to build a building. We'll handle that. We're not asking um for you to put a shovel in the ground. We're not asking for the manual labor. You know, we we plan on going to private investors and also the state. But we do want to show some level of buy-in from the City of Dover before actually approaching the state. Dover Partnership received $150,000 for several years, at least since 2019, before they actually received state funding, which they received about $25 million, which means they had to prove, show and prove to the state that there was some level of investment from the City of Dover, $150,000 on an annual basis. You know, we're not asking for that. We're not asking for We're asking for one-time $40,000 fee. This is not a social good project where we're going to need an annual re-occurring line item in the budget. We need an independent study to see how we could generate some money for the City of Dover. Thank you.","topics_json":"[\"budget\",\"business\",\"public_safety\"]","vector_id":"vec_seg_101612_665","created_at":"2026-10-31T08:06:38Z","speaker_name":"Jamal Snead"},{"id":"seg_101612_666","meeting_id":"101612","media_asset_id":"med_101612_222f4db39d42ac83","agenda_item_id":null,"speaker_id":"off_andre_m_boggerty","speaker_confidence":0.95,"start_sec":15792.94,"end_sec":15876.94,"text":"And then and last um from me, um thank you so much. And I know, for example, we um um we we a feasibility study is that I I will tell you we need we need it bad. Um I won't go into some things that I'm doing because I don't want a conflict of interest, but uh trust me, you know, it's this is right down my my my lane. Um and then I know, you know, we have the Boys & Girls Club that's being built across from Dover High, which, you know, they're going to do things like AI and studios and and parks and and all of those things. So so um so and and the and the last thing I would I said the last, I'm a preacher, so I got three closings. Um last thing I would I would add is that um one of the things that that challenges here in Dover is location. I work with a certain population on a regular basis, and where it sits is going to be important for safety. Um so I ask once you do that, can you consider neutrality of of location, because that is uh when I work with certain individuals, you know, that that is a concern. Um yes, it can be here, but a certain population. So once that once that's um you know, I wish you much success, but I just want that as far as a thought. I yield, Council President, and thank you all for a great presentation.","topics_json":"[\"public_safety\",\"budget\"]","vector_id":"vec_seg_101612_666","created_at":"2026-10-31T08:06:38Z","speaker_name":"Andre M. Boggerty"},{"id":"seg_101612_667","meeting_id":"101612","media_asset_id":"med_101612_222f4db39d42ac83","agenda_item_id":null,"speaker_id":"off_fred_a_neil","speaker_confidence":0.95,"start_sec":15876.94,"end_sec":15880.94,"text":"Thank you. Uh Councilman Lewis, you're recognized.","topics_json":"[]","vector_id":"vec_seg_101612_667","created_at":"2026-10-31T08:06:38Z","speaker_name":"Fred A. Neil"},{"id":"seg_101612_668","meeting_id":"101612","media_asset_id":"med_101612_222f4db39d42ac83","agenda_item_id":null,"speaker_id":"off_brian_e_lewis","speaker_confidence":0.95,"start_sec":15880.94,"end_sec":15968.94,"text":"Uh thank you. Good evening. Uh if I get cut off, it's because my battery's low. I'm on my phone, but uh bear with me. Uh I concur with my colleague Councilman Sudler, excellent presentation, uh well-prepared and informative. Uh now I'm one of those financial hawks that you referred to this evening. I'm aware. And once again, you know, this matter comes to funding, and the city being able to assist. Uh as you heard earlier this evening uh during Mr. Bobby Wilson's presentation, again, it comes to funding. Uh I would urge you to put in an application, if you already haven't done so, for the Economic Development Fund, if you fit the criteria, and I would refer to Ms. Melson-Williams if you have any questions pertaining to the criteria and such. But um I would implore you to do that, even though I'm not a big fan of the Economic Development Fund. Um now the two questions that I have for you this evening, they're a little off-base, but one of them is, um will your community center have free programs for families that are having financial issues, because we have a lot of neighborhoods in the City of Dover where, you know, the families of these youth are suffering hardships?","topics_json":"[\"budget\",\"business\"]","vector_id":"vec_seg_101612_668","created_at":"2026-10-31T08:06:38Z","speaker_name":"Brian E. Lewis"},{"id":"seg_101612_669","meeting_id":"101612","media_asset_id":"med_101612_222f4db39d42ac83","agenda_item_id":null,"speaker_id":"spk_101612_jamal_snead","speaker_confidence":0.9,"start_sec":15968.94,"end_sec":16001.94,"text":"Yes. So, we're hopeful that it's free for 17 and below. And then as well as 18 and above, therefore it will probably become an income measure. But again, in order for us to decide what is actually going to be appropriate and what is feasible, we would need that independent study to determine that. Um but again, this is more this programming is also more so geared towards youth engagement and young adults, and also under just underserved and vulnerable populations across the City of Dover.","topics_json":"[\"budget\"]","vector_id":"vec_seg_101612_669","created_at":"2026-10-31T08:06:38Z","speaker_name":"Jamal Snead"},{"id":"seg_101612_67","meeting_id":"101612","media_asset_id":"med_101612_222f4db39d42ac83","agenda_item_id":null,"speaker_id":"spk_101612_mr_wilson","speaker_confidence":0.95,"start_sec":2292.65,"end_sec":2337.65,"text":"No, we are established. We know we are we are we will be the established program that we offer the job training. We have auto mechanics, we have union retired union carpenters and masons that will be teaching the program. And furthermore, we're partnering with the union uh with Local 199. We're going to be partnering with we're going to be partnering with the bricklayer union out of Pennsylvania who's looking for a location here in Delaware. They just opened up a location up in Bear for training. So, they want to have a location across the bridge uh that can handle Kent County and Sussex County. And so when I met with them last week, uh our location will be the location.","topics_json":"[\"business\"]","vector_id":"vec_seg_101612_67","created_at":"2026-10-31T08:06:36Z","speaker_name":null},{"id":"seg_101612_670","meeting_id":"101612","media_asset_id":"med_101612_222f4db39d42ac83","agenda_item_id":null,"speaker_id":"off_brian_e_lewis","speaker_confidence":0.95,"start_sec":16001.94,"end_sec":16015.94,"text":"Okay. Uh my next question is that you have spoke with representatives from DSU. Would they be willing to assist you by offering any funding for your study?","topics_json":"[\"budget\"]","vector_id":"vec_seg_101612_670","created_at":"2026-10-31T08:06:38Z","speaker_name":"Brian E. Lewis"},{"id":"seg_101612_671","meeting_id":"101612","media_asset_id":"med_101612_222f4db39d42ac83","agenda_item_id":null,"speaker_id":"spk_101612_jamal_snead","speaker_confidence":0.9,"start_sec":16015.94,"end_sec":16061.94,"text":"Delaware State University has exhausted a lot of their funding on the soon-to-be stadium, uh indoor stadium, which is why they were not able to do a buyer or, you know, a build, an indoor turf build within this next year. Um so, therefore, they're somewhat limited in their ability, which is why we speak of collaboration where we necessarily build upon each other. Um he offered land. We offer a convention center and an indoor turf field for his team to maximize upon the talent that they have. So, that's where the collaboration uh aspect comes into, versus working in silos and somewhat the pointing of the finger. We can come together as a collective and we can make this a prosperous Dover as well.","topics_json":"[\"budget\",\"business\"]","vector_id":"vec_seg_101612_671","created_at":"2026-10-31T08:06:38Z","speaker_name":"Jamal Snead"},{"id":"seg_101612_672","meeting_id":"101612","media_asset_id":"med_101612_222f4db39d42ac83","agenda_item_id":null,"speaker_id":"off_brian_e_lewis","speaker_confidence":0.95,"start_sec":16061.94,"end_sec":16095.44,"text":"Okay. Uh thank you for answering my questions. And again, I would implore you to walk down any avenue you can. Uh I know Mr. Sudler has made some recommendations um pertaining to trying to ascertain funding. Uh again, I would implore you to look into filing the application with the Economic Development Fund if you haven't already done so, because I know there's a criteria that you have to fit. Um and I I wish you all the best and and thank you for thank you for quoting me, by the way.","topics_json":"[\"budget\",\"business\"]","vector_id":"vec_seg_101612_672","created_at":"2026-10-31T08:06:38Z","speaker_name":"Brian E. Lewis"},{"id":"seg_101612_673","meeting_id":"101612","media_asset_id":"med_101612_222f4db39d42ac83","agenda_item_id":null,"speaker_id":"spk_101612_jamal_snead","speaker_confidence":0.9,"start_sec":16095.44,"end_sec":16096.94,"text":"You're welcome. Thank you.","topics_json":"[]","vector_id":"vec_seg_101612_673","created_at":"2026-10-31T08:06:38Z","speaker_name":"Jamal Snead"},{"id":"seg_101612_674","meeting_id":"101612","media_asset_id":"med_101612_222f4db39d42ac83","agenda_item_id":null,"speaker_id":"off_fred_a_neil","speaker_confidence":0.95,"start_sec":16098.94,"end_sec":16107.94,"text":"Thank you. Any other members of the committee? Mr. Mayor?","topics_json":"[]","vector_id":"vec_seg_101612_674","created_at":"2026-10-31T08:06:38Z","speaker_name":"Fred A. Neil"},{"id":"seg_101612_675","meeting_id":"101612","media_asset_id":"med_101612_222f4db39d42ac83","agenda_item_id":null,"speaker_id":"off_robin_r_christiansen","speaker_confidence":0.95,"start_sec":16110.94,"end_sec":16112.94,"text":"Can I cut the ribbon on it?","topics_json":"[]","vector_id":"vec_seg_101612_675","created_at":"2026-10-31T08:06:38Z","speaker_name":"Robin R. Christiansen"},{"id":"seg_101612_676","meeting_id":"101612","media_asset_id":"med_101612_222f4db39d42ac83","agenda_item_id":null,"speaker_id":"spk_101612_jamal_snead","speaker_confidence":0.9,"start_sec":16112.94,"end_sec":16115.94,"text":"You're more than welcome to cut the ribbon.","topics_json":"[]","vector_id":"vec_seg_101612_676","created_at":"2026-10-31T08:06:38Z","speaker_name":"Jamal Snead"},{"id":"seg_101612_677","meeting_id":"101612","media_asset_id":"med_101612_222f4db39d42ac83","agenda_item_id":null,"speaker_id":"off_robin_r_christiansen","speaker_confidence":0.95,"start_sec":16117.44,"end_sec":16123.44,"text":"I won't be here. Bring him back Bring him back from retirement just for the ribbon.","topics_json":"[]","vector_id":"vec_seg_101612_677","created_at":"2026-10-31T08:06:38Z","speaker_name":"Robin R. Christiansen"},{"id":"seg_101612_678","meeting_id":"101612","media_asset_id":"med_101612_222f4db39d42ac83","agenda_item_id":null,"speaker_id":"spk_101612_jamal_snead","speaker_confidence":0.9,"start_sec":16123.44,"end_sec":16186.94,"text":"Also, I want to note, I know we spoke about the Garrison Technology Park, um and how funding went towards that. $1.4 million went to that. Uh $1.6 million, actually, I read the meeting minutes for when they closed the application or, you know, um $1.6 million was not transferred over to the general fund because it was still intended to serve the purpose of economic and community development. We checked three to four blocks of the criteria for economic and community development. We looked at the resolution that was uh conducted within the last two years, I want to say. Um I have it highlighted in our report. So, you're more than welcome to check our proposal. You'll see it's highlighted in lime green the criteria that we meet for this uh proposal. Um and actually, it was stated in the minutes, excuse me, that council specifically rejected using that balance to plug the FY26 budget gap because members describe the fund as important for future economic development. I think this is more than enough for that.","topics_json":"[\"budget\",\"business\"]","vector_id":"vec_seg_101612_678","created_at":"2026-10-31T08:06:38Z","speaker_name":"Jamal Snead"},{"id":"seg_101612_679","meeting_id":"101612","media_asset_id":"med_101612_222f4db39d42ac83","agenda_item_id":null,"speaker_id":"off_fred_a_neil","speaker_confidence":0.95,"start_sec":16186.94,"end_sec":16199.94,"text":"All right, thank you. Now uh I'm going to uh I'll see who's that? Let's go online. Ms. Michelle Paul. And then we'll come back into the room.","topics_json":"[]","vector_id":"vec_seg_101612_679","created_at":"2026-10-31T08:06:38Z","speaker_name":"Fred A. Neil"},{"id":"seg_101612_68","meeting_id":"101612","media_asset_id":"med_101612_222f4db39d42ac83","agenda_item_id":null,"speaker_id":"off_tricia_k_arndt","speaker_confidence":0.95,"start_sec":2338.15,"end_sec":2340.65,"text":"Okay. And that's a property that you currently own?","topics_json":"[\"business\"]","vector_id":"vec_seg_101612_68","created_at":"2026-10-31T08:06:36Z","speaker_name":"Tricia K. Arndt"},{"id":"seg_101612_680","meeting_id":"101612","media_asset_id":"med_101612_222f4db39d42ac83","agenda_item_id":null,"speaker_id":"spk_101612_jamal_snead","speaker_confidence":0.9,"start_sec":16199.94,"end_sec":16204.94,"text":"Okay. All right, thank you. And we appreciate y'all.","topics_json":"[]","vector_id":"vec_seg_101612_680","created_at":"2026-10-31T08:06:38Z","speaker_name":"Jamal Snead"},{"id":"seg_101612_681","meeting_id":"101612","media_asset_id":"med_101612_222f4db39d42ac83","agenda_item_id":null,"speaker_id":"off_fred_a_neil","speaker_confidence":0.95,"start_sec":16204.94,"end_sec":16231.94,"text":"Well, you hold on. See if she has might have a question for you, might just be a comment, I don't know, you know? And then you can, yes. All right, Ms. Paul, are you there? If not, we'll uh let you go ahead and... All right, all right. Okay, we'll come back to her and go into the room. Um but before I do, um I...","topics_json":"[]","vector_id":"vec_seg_101612_681","created_at":"2026-10-31T08:06:38Z","speaker_name":"Fred A. Neil"},{"id":"seg_101612_682","meeting_id":"101612","media_asset_id":"med_101612_222f4db39d42ac83","agenda_item_id":null,"speaker_id":"spk_101612_michelle_paul","speaker_confidence":0.9,"start_sec":16231.94,"end_sec":16233.44,"text":"Can you hear me?","topics_json":"[]","vector_id":"vec_seg_101612_682","created_at":"2026-10-31T08:06:38Z","speaker_name":"Michelle Paul"},{"id":"seg_101612_683","meeting_id":"101612","media_asset_id":"med_101612_222f4db39d42ac83","agenda_item_id":null,"speaker_id":"off_fred_a_neil","speaker_confidence":0.95,"start_sec":16233.44,"end_sec":16235.24,"text":"Well, okay, yeah.","topics_json":"[]","vector_id":"vec_seg_101612_683","created_at":"2026-10-31T08:06:38Z","speaker_name":"Fred A. Neil"},{"id":"seg_101612_684","meeting_id":"101612","media_asset_id":"med_101612_222f4db39d42ac83","agenda_item_id":null,"speaker_id":"spk_101612_michelle_paul","speaker_confidence":0.9,"start_sec":16235.24,"end_sec":16292.94,"text":"Okay, good evening council. I wanted to say to my young sir [child's name removed], uh the [child's name removed] brothers, wonderful job, young men, and I look forward to hearing from you in the future. Um Jamal, I have a question for you with regards to, because I know that you're targeting the youth, um and of course I work with at-risk youth. And my question for you is, well, how many jobs will the actual um stadium actually be How many jobs would you actually be able to uh How many people would you be able to employ? And how many of those actual employment um openings will go to um some of our youth, you know, in the ages of the in between the age of 16 to 21? How How many positions will you um have available for that age group?","topics_json":"[\"business\"]","vector_id":"vec_seg_101612_684","created_at":"2026-10-31T08:06:38Z","speaker_name":"Michelle Paul"},{"id":"seg_101612_685","meeting_id":"101612","media_asset_id":"med_101612_222f4db39d42ac83","agenda_item_id":null,"speaker_id":"spk_101612_jamal_snead","speaker_confidence":0.9,"start_sec":16292.94,"end_sec":16348.94,"text":"Well, we can't necessarily guarantee a number of positions, as more so that the study will explore what how grandiose this project could be. What I can say is between the ages of 20 16 to 21 is what we're hopeful to train youth and young adults to prepare them for the future. Therefore, whether that be, you know, plumbing, barber school, whether that is uh information technology, because I feel that's an understated uh field, especially for those with criminal records, returning citizens, what we call them in Washington, D.C. But, um I I can't necessarily give a guaranteed number. We will need security, obviously. We will need personnel. We will need custodial personnel as well. So we do see as an opportunity for those to acquire employment, but also an opportunity to develop a skill set that can, you know, retain um a level of in a sufficient level of income for the foreseeable future.","topics_json":"[\"business\",\"public_safety\"]","vector_id":"vec_seg_101612_685","created_at":"2026-10-31T08:06:38Z","speaker_name":"Jamal Snead"},{"id":"seg_101612_686","meeting_id":"101612","media_asset_id":"med_101612_222f4db39d42ac83","agenda_item_id":null,"speaker_id":"spk_101612_michelle_paul","speaker_confidence":0.9,"start_sec":16348.94,"end_sec":16390.44,"text":"Okay, and then my final question, because I know um Councilman Dr. Sudler was uh speaking on some of the funding that's available under the need um funding. Are you able or willing to incorporate um the transition cuz you are dealing with youth, and believe it or not, we do have a lot of at-risk youth right now that um are experimenting with the opioid use. Are you willing to incorporate um something of that nature within your program um where you could be available to look at funding? Um and not only from the city level, but from the state level as well?","topics_json":"[\"budget\",\"public_safety\"]","vector_id":"vec_seg_101612_686","created_at":"2026-10-31T08:06:38Z","speaker_name":"Michelle Paul"},{"id":"seg_101612_687","meeting_id":"101612","media_asset_id":"med_101612_222f4db39d42ac83","agenda_item_id":null,"speaker_id":"spk_101612_jamal_snead","speaker_confidence":0.9,"start_sec":16390.44,"end_sec":16470.44,"text":"Yes. We more than welcome that approach. Um my time at D.C. Council, I was the senior policy director of Youth Affairs Committee, which involved Department of Youth Rehabilitation Services, which is the D.C. youth jail. Um so I have more than enough experience working with um D.C. youth and those criminally justice-involved youth as well. I once was a criminally justice-involved youth myself when I was a minor here in Dover, Delaware. Um charge it don't charge it to my heart, charge it to my mind at the time. But um you know, uh we do plan on incorporating a holistic approach to uh youth engagement, whether that be um you know, becoming the deter deterring programs of uh opioid use or just drugs in general, as well as workforce development, as well as mental health, as well as sports, as you know, whatever's needed, we ultimately and we hope to utilize community members that have this programming and organizations that already provide this programming, but don't necessarily have a hub to provide the service at. So we're hopeful to uh for the foreseeable future, could be able to um partner with these organizations and again develop that community economic hub, I mean uh excuse me, relationship amongst across the city versus everyone working in silos and a bit of self-preservation uh ultimately kicking in.","topics_json":"[\"public_safety\",\"business\",\"budget\"]","vector_id":"vec_seg_101612_687","created_at":"2026-10-31T08:06:38Z","speaker_name":"Jamal Snead"},{"id":"seg_101612_688","meeting_id":"101612","media_asset_id":"med_101612_222f4db39d42ac83","agenda_item_id":null,"speaker_id":"spk_101612_michelle_paul","speaker_confidence":0.9,"start_sec":16470.44,"end_sec":16472.94,"text":"Thank you. Thank you.","topics_json":"[]","vector_id":"vec_seg_101612_688","created_at":"2026-10-31T08:06:38Z","speaker_name":"Michelle Paul"},{"id":"seg_101612_689","meeting_id":"101612","media_asset_id":"med_101612_222f4db39d42ac83","agenda_item_id":null,"speaker_id":"off_fred_a_neil","speaker_confidence":0.95,"start_sec":16474.44,"end_sec":16485.44,"text":"Uh thank thank you very much. You can uh relax for a few minutes. We're going to go in um We have some people signed up who would like to speak.","topics_json":"[]","vector_id":"vec_seg_101612_689","created_at":"2026-10-31T08:06:38Z","speaker_name":"Fred A. Neil"},{"id":"seg_101612_69","meeting_id":"101612","media_asset_id":"med_101612_222f4db39d42ac83","agenda_item_id":null,"speaker_id":"spk_101612_mr_wilson","speaker_confidence":0.95,"start_sec":2340.85,"end_sec":2344.15,"text":"That's a property that I have that we are currently uh hold.","topics_json":"[\"business\"]","vector_id":"vec_seg_101612_69","created_at":"2026-10-31T08:06:36Z","speaker_name":null},{"id":"seg_101612_690","meeting_id":"101612","media_asset_id":"med_101612_222f4db39d42ac83","agenda_item_id":null,"speaker_id":"spk_101612_jamal_snead","speaker_confidence":0.9,"start_sec":16485.44,"end_sec":16487.44,"text":"Thank you for the opportunity.","topics_json":"[]","vector_id":"vec_seg_101612_690","created_at":"2026-10-31T08:06:38Z","speaker_name":"Jamal Snead"},{"id":"seg_101612_691","meeting_id":"101612","media_asset_id":"med_101612_222f4db39d42ac83","agenda_item_id":null,"speaker_id":"spk_101612_city_clerk","speaker_confidence":0.95,"start_sec":16494.94,"end_sec":16498.94,"text":"Looks like the first person for this one is William Holden.","topics_json":"[]","vector_id":"vec_seg_101612_691","created_at":"2026-10-31T08:06:38Z","speaker_name":null},{"id":"seg_101612_692","meeting_id":"101612","media_asset_id":"med_101612_222f4db39d42ac83","agenda_item_id":null,"speaker_id":"spk_101612_william_holden_uh","speaker_confidence":0.95,"start_sec":16507.44,"end_sec":16515.09,"text":"Good evening Council, or good night, we've been here for a while, right? Uh my name is William Holden. Uh I'm a longtime resident of Delaware...","topics_json":"[]","vector_id":"vec_seg_101612_692","created_at":"2026-10-31T08:06:38Z","speaker_name":"William Holden. Uh"},{"id":"seg_101612_693","meeting_id":"101612","media_asset_id":"med_101612_222f4db39d42ac83","agenda_item_id":null,"speaker_id":"spk_101612_josh","speaker_confidence":0.9,"start_sec":16515.09,"end_sec":16603.09,"text":"I grew up with Dante and Terez, and as a youth playing outside, going to parks, one of the biggest things we always wanted to do after playing in the park was experience what hardwood floor felt like playing basketball. When you were a kid, when you got on the hardwood floor, even if you played basketball, it was a different experience and a different feeling. And I'm talking from a kid back then, I want those experiences for my children now, locally. I have a 10-year-old son. He's at home asleep. But I would love to be able to have him be able to go to these local fields instead of driving past the turnpike, driving past the Chase Center up there with Chase Fieldhouse, and there's games in those fields. So having an opportunity like that for my son to be able to go to, I would love that. And to speak from a business standpoint, I'm a videographer and photographer. A lot of the times on weekends, I will get hired to go to these events, and at these events, there's thousands of families right there. Is there an opportunity for people to start food trucks? Yes. Is there an opportunity for vendors to start cleaning these spaces? Yes. Is there an opportunity for merch or just small restaurants? Yes. So to be able to have something like this in Dover, right where Dante and Terez are proposing at that mall, which we all know is just terrible right now, right? Having those, being able to open up those small businesses, it'd be great for the city, and I'm very much in favor of it. I did write a letter of recommendation that is in that packet as well.","topics_json":"[\"business\"]","vector_id":"vec_seg_101612_693","created_at":"2026-10-31T08:06:38Z","speaker_name":"Josh"},{"id":"seg_101612_694","meeting_id":"101612","media_asset_id":"med_101612_222f4db39d42ac83","agenda_item_id":null,"speaker_id":"off_david_l_anderson","speaker_confidence":0.95,"start_sec":16604.59,"end_sec":16606.59,"text":"Thank you.","topics_json":"[]","vector_id":"vec_seg_101612_694","created_at":"2026-10-31T08:06:38Z","speaker_name":"David L. Anderson"},{"id":"seg_101612_695","meeting_id":"101612","media_asset_id":"med_101612_222f4db39d42ac83","agenda_item_id":null,"speaker_id":"spk_101612_city_clerk","speaker_confidence":0.95,"start_sec":16608.39,"end_sec":16611.09,"text":"Next is Mike Conway.","topics_json":"[]","vector_id":"vec_seg_101612_695","created_at":"2026-10-31T08:06:38Z","speaker_name":null},{"id":"seg_101612_696","meeting_id":"101612","media_asset_id":"med_101612_222f4db39d42ac83","agenda_item_id":null,"speaker_id":"spk_101612_mike_conway","speaker_confidence":0.95,"start_sec":16619.59,"end_sec":16795.89,"text":"Good evening. My name is Mike Conway. I'm a Delaware resident and the co-founder of Futurized Soccer Ventures, along with my neighbor, Dr. Mickens Jackson. And I appreciate the opportunity to speak in support of the youth sports center in Dover. I've spent more than 40 years working in soccer, first as a professional player and then in team operations, youth programming, sales, marketing, and facility management. I worked 28 of those seasons with the Baltimore Blast of the Major Indoor Soccer League, served as vice president and general manager of the Philadelphia Fury, and most recently served as vice president of operations for Soccer Universities, where I assisted in running a professional team and its facilities in Cesena, Italy. Earlier in my career, I helped coordinate sports programs for Baltimore City Recreation and Parks and indoor soccer events at Myers Pavilion and Du Burns Arena. Those experiences taught me what a well-run sports facility can mean to a community. I myself am a product of Baltimore City Recreation and Parks, which once had thriving centers. For young people, a sports center can be a place to learn skills, make friends, build confidence, and find mentors. For parents, it can be a dependable place where their children are active, supported, and safe. A center in Dover can serve families from the city and surrounding communities with programs for beginners as well as experienced athletes. It can give children opportunities throughout the year, including after school, on weekends, and during school breaks. I also believe that the benefits can reach beyond the athletes. Camps, leagues, and tournaments can bring visiting families into Dover. Those families may stay in local hotels, eat in local restaurants, and shop at local businesses. With thoughtful scheduling and strong community partnerships, the center could become a gathering place that people turn to season after season. I would be interested in helping turn that potential into an active program. I could help organize soccer training, camps, leagues, tournaments, drawing on my experience with staffing, scheduling, event operations, and building partnerships. Over the years, I've developed relationships across professional, college, and youth soccer. I'd be glad to reach out through those connections to help bring teams and events to Dover and start conversations with potential sponsors and partners. I wouldn't suggest that any team or sponsor is already committed, but I know how to make those introductions and build a program that people want to support. Through Futurized Soccer Ventures, our focus is on giving young players opportunities to grow, regardless of their background or club affiliation. I see the same possibility in this center: a place that welcomes families, strengthens youth development, supports local businesses, and gives Dover and the surrounding areas something to build together. I believe this is a good idea, and we will welcome the chance to help make it successful. Thank you.","topics_json":"[\"business\"]","vector_id":"vec_seg_101612_696","created_at":"2026-10-31T08:06:38Z","speaker_name":"Mike Conway"},{"id":"seg_101612_697","meeting_id":"101612","media_asset_id":"med_101612_222f4db39d42ac83","agenda_item_id":null,"speaker_id":"off_david_l_anderson","speaker_confidence":0.95,"start_sec":16796.59,"end_sec":16798.59,"text":"Thank you.","topics_json":"[]","vector_id":"vec_seg_101612_697","created_at":"2026-10-31T08:06:38Z","speaker_name":"David L. Anderson"},{"id":"seg_101612_698","meeting_id":"101612","media_asset_id":"med_101612_222f4db39d42ac83","agenda_item_id":null,"speaker_id":"spk_101612_city_clerk","speaker_confidence":0.95,"start_sec":16801.89,"end_sec":16805.09,"text":"Next up is Damar Miller.","topics_json":"[]","vector_id":"vec_seg_101612_698","created_at":"2026-10-31T08:06:38Z","speaker_name":null},{"id":"seg_101612_699","meeting_id":"101612","media_asset_id":"med_101612_222f4db39d42ac83","agenda_item_id":null,"speaker_id":"spk_101612_damar_miller","speaker_confidence":0.95,"start_sec":16812.09,"end_sec":16942.59,"text":"Hello Council, how y'all doing? Thanks for having me. My name is Damar Miller, also a resident of Delaware. Grew up with my constituents, Terez, Chad, Dante Daniels. Um, I do also want to get behind this project. I know as a youth, I grew up playing basketball all my life, stayed in high school and college. One thing I can attest to, as you go through levels and just get older in the sport, and having friends and just being a youth in general, you see, you know, having programs is very very essential in the in the community. I've seen I've seen Dover PAL leagues to where, you know, it was we had PAL leagues, Stormin' Norman leagues, just just various outlets for the children. And as I've gotten older and even grown to have children now, I don't see as many programs as it once was for the youth. And I believe that's a direct correlation to like the crime and like the the negative youth activity in our community. I for one know that having programs and somewhere and somewhere for the youth to go, and something for the youth to do can help with their outcome. It can be definitely a positive outcome. It will lead more to positive outcomes most most definitely. All aside from sports, I'm also a business owner here in this here in town. Something that I've owned, I own the skill on my own, as far as being a barber. It's just something I want to pass down, so I see it as another opportunity to be a mentor and also to give something to give something that I've learned and pass it down to that pass it down to the the youth in the community. So I'm behind this Get Work Foundation project, and I just hope everybody agrees and does the same thing. Thank you.","topics_json":"[\"business\",\"public_safety\"]","vector_id":"vec_seg_101612_699","created_at":"2026-10-31T08:06:38Z","speaker_name":"Damar Miller"},{"id":"seg_101612_7","meeting_id":"101612","media_asset_id":"med_101612_222f4db39d42ac83","agenda_item_id":null,"speaker_id":"off_david_l_anderson","speaker_confidence":0.95,"start_sec":35.04,"end_sec":132.87,"text":"First, on the agenda, we have a presentation from Booted & Suited with Mr. Bobby Wilson. While he comes forward and just introduce yourself for the record when you're ready, please. I'm going to first read a statement from Council President Fred Neil into the record, who is not feeling well today, and he's in our thoughts and prayers. We look forward to his return. He said, \"My froggy throat has become a full-blown cold, and he's concerned that he's contagious and he apologized to Mr. Wilson because he won't be in. And he said, 'I would like Councilman Anderson to run the meeting, and the statement below my signature to read in the record.' Mr. Wilson's program could be our secret weapon. Mr. Wilson has provided us a wide variety of services and education programs which are worthy, but are not in our charter to provide. But there's a single reason for my sponsoring this program, is the value of one aspect vital to our economic development: a training program for street smart people to help clean up the mess that pervades downtown and other places.","topics_json":"[\"business\",\"public_safety\"]","vector_id":"vec_seg_101612_7","created_at":"2026-10-31T08:06:36Z","speaker_name":"David L. Anderson"},{"id":"seg_101612_70","meeting_id":"101612","media_asset_id":"med_101612_222f4db39d42ac83","agenda_item_id":null,"speaker_id":"off_tricia_k_arndt","speaker_confidence":0.95,"start_sec":2344.65,"end_sec":2356.65,"text":"As a suggestion, when you submit your application, I think you should have letters of commitment from the Local 199. You mentioned TechForce as a also a partner? I would advise you to have a letter of commitment from them as well.","topics_json":"[\"business\"]","vector_id":"vec_seg_101612_70","created_at":"2026-10-31T08:06:36Z","speaker_name":"Tricia K. Arndt"},{"id":"seg_101612_700","meeting_id":"101612","media_asset_id":"med_101612_222f4db39d42ac83","agenda_item_id":null,"speaker_id":"off_david_l_anderson","speaker_confidence":0.95,"start_sec":16943.59,"end_sec":16945.59,"text":"Thank you.","topics_json":"[]","vector_id":"vec_seg_101612_700","created_at":"2026-10-31T08:06:38Z","speaker_name":"David L. Anderson"},{"id":"seg_101612_701","meeting_id":"101612","media_asset_id":"med_101612_222f4db39d42ac83","agenda_item_id":null,"speaker_id":"spk_101612_city_clerk","speaker_confidence":0.95,"start_sec":16946.09,"end_sec":16948.09,"text":"That's all I have on the list unless anybody else wants to speak.","topics_json":"[]","vector_id":"vec_seg_101612_701","created_at":"2026-10-31T08:06:38Z","speaker_name":null},{"id":"seg_101612_702","meeting_id":"101612","media_asset_id":"med_101612_222f4db39d42ac83","agenda_item_id":null,"speaker_id":"off_david_l_anderson","speaker_confidence":0.95,"start_sec":16948.59,"end_sec":16959.59,"text":"All right. That's all on the list. Okay. Anybody else can come forward now.","topics_json":"[]","vector_id":"vec_seg_101612_702","created_at":"2026-10-31T08:06:38Z","speaker_name":"David L. Anderson"},{"id":"seg_101612_703","meeting_id":"101612","media_asset_id":"med_101612_222f4db39d42ac83","agenda_item_id":null,"speaker_id":"spk_101612_bonnie","speaker_confidence":0.95,"start_sec":16961.09,"end_sec":17022.09,"text":"Hi. My name is Bonnie. I live in Dover. I want to congratulate you young guys for trying to come to do something in this community. But I just have one question. You guys who are doing for the youth, are you guys going to do like handicap kids, too, or is it just for special kids? Are you going to have handicap-accessible areas? Because there are a lot of kids out there that people don't know that are disabled. Um, I'm just asking if you could come up and I would appreciate if somebody give me some kind of advice because there are kids out there that would love to do sports, who would love to try to do sports, they just don't have the right mentor to get them through. Not even, excuse me, no disrespect, Dover High School don't give them that kind of mentor, neither does the middle school. So basically, the parents that are learning-disability kids or have them have to do this on their own. So how would you open up your facility to do something with a disabled child?","topics_json":"[]","vector_id":"vec_seg_101612_703","created_at":"2026-10-31T08:06:38Z","speaker_name":"Bonnie"},{"id":"seg_101612_704","meeting_id":"101612","media_asset_id":"med_101612_222f4db39d42ac83","agenda_item_id":null,"speaker_id":"off_david_l_anderson","speaker_confidence":0.95,"start_sec":17022.59,"end_sec":17026.59,"text":"Can, gentlemen, you're recognized. Name for the record.","topics_json":"[]","vector_id":"vec_seg_101612_704","created_at":"2026-10-31T08:06:38Z","speaker_name":"David L. Anderson"},{"id":"seg_101612_705","meeting_id":"101612","media_asset_id":"med_101612_222f4db39d42ac83","agenda_item_id":null,"speaker_id":"spk_101612_dr_dante_daniel","speaker_confidence":0.95,"start_sec":17026.89,"end_sec":17066.59,"text":"Dr. Dante Daniel, Get Work Foundation, COO. Um, yes. So there's a there's a section in our proposal, actually, where we speak about persons with all abilities. Uh is the appropriate term um used, and we spoke about accessibility for persons with all abilities to have access to sports, to have and also we're trying to meet with actually a partner in Wilmington who uh autism actually she has a foundation for providing around autism, who who we're hoping to meet with within the next week or so. Uh so we're looking to partner and develop that ecosystem, and more so um increase the access accessibility for all. So again, if you look in our proposal, there is a section on persons with all abilities.","topics_json":"[]","vector_id":"vec_seg_101612_705","created_at":"2026-10-31T08:06:38Z","speaker_name":"Dr. Dante Daniel"},{"id":"seg_101612_706","meeting_id":"101612","media_asset_id":"med_101612_222f4db39d42ac83","agenda_item_id":null,"speaker_id":"spk_101612_terez","speaker_confidence":0.9,"start_sec":17066.89,"end_sec":17076.59,"text":"Terez. The only thing I want to add to that, we also want, once this if we are able to get the center, is to host Special Olympics. Okay? That was one of the things that we put in our proposal.","topics_json":"[]","vector_id":"vec_seg_101612_706","created_at":"2026-10-31T08:06:38Z","speaker_name":"Terez"},{"id":"seg_101612_707","meeting_id":"101612","media_asset_id":"med_101612_222f4db39d42ac83","agenda_item_id":null,"speaker_id":"spk_101612_bonnie","speaker_confidence":0.95,"start_sec":17077.09,"end_sec":17080.59,"text":"All right. Thank you very much.","topics_json":"[]","vector_id":"vec_seg_101612_707","created_at":"2026-10-31T08:06:38Z","speaker_name":"Bonnie"},{"id":"seg_101612_708","meeting_id":"101612","media_asset_id":"med_101612_222f4db39d42ac83","agenda_item_id":null,"speaker_id":"off_david_l_anderson","speaker_confidence":0.95,"start_sec":17080.89,"end_sec":17086.09,"text":"Thank you. Anyone else? Please come forward. Thank you.","topics_json":"[]","vector_id":"vec_seg_101612_708","created_at":"2026-10-31T08:06:38Z","speaker_name":"David L. Anderson"},{"id":"seg_101612_709","meeting_id":"101612","media_asset_id":"med_101612_222f4db39d42ac83","agenda_item_id":null,"speaker_id":"off_david_l_anderson","speaker_confidence":0.95,"start_sec":17096.59,"end_sec":17098.59,"text":"Can you give your name again, please?","topics_json":"[]","vector_id":"vec_seg_101612_709","created_at":"2026-10-31T08:06:38Z","speaker_name":"David L. Anderson"},{"id":"seg_101612_71","meeting_id":"101612","media_asset_id":"med_101612_222f4db39d42ac83","agenda_item_id":null,"speaker_id":"spk_101612_mr_wilson","speaker_confidence":0.95,"start_sec":2356.85,"end_sec":2359.3,"text":"Sweet. And uh it's Monte 22 on...","topics_json":"[]","vector_id":"vec_seg_101612_71","created_at":"2026-10-31T08:06:36Z","speaker_name":null},{"id":"seg_101612_710","meeting_id":"101612","media_asset_id":"med_101612_222f4db39d42ac83","agenda_item_id":null,"speaker_id":"spk_101612_rosenda_brickhouse","speaker_confidence":0.95,"start_sec":17099.09,"end_sec":17145.09,"text":"Good evening, Council members. I apologize. Um, I wanted to come and stand in support. My name is Rosenda Brickhouse. I am a teacher at the Early College High School here at Delaware State University. I'm a 19-year employee retired from Delaware State University itself, um, working in facilities management and now I've crossed over into education. I'm also a three-time coach. I'm also a three-time player of athletics to collegiate level Division I. And when I was approached by Mr. Terez and Mr. Daniel for this proposal, I thought, wow, it's about time. I personally have a granddaughter that travels up and down the East Coast of the United States to play in tournaments in Kentucky, Run for the Roses, in Virginia, in Pennsylvania. And we have this beautiful city of ours, Dover, Delaware, and we could be hosting these same type of tournaments and giving opportunities for our scholar athletes in this area to promote their skills. So I stand for it, I stand behind it. I offered my assistance to these two gentlemen who have done a diligent job—thank you both—a diligent job in doing their research and putting their thoughts not only into verbiage, but with stats and with data, and they're seeking the assistance to get additional data to push forward their cause.","topics_json":"[\"education\"]","vector_id":"vec_seg_101612_710","created_at":"2026-10-31T08:06:38Z","speaker_name":"Rosenda Brickhouse"},{"id":"seg_101612_711","meeting_id":"101612","media_asset_id":"med_101612_222f4db39d42ac83","agenda_item_id":null,"speaker_id":"spk_101612_rosenda_brickhouse","speaker_confidence":0.95,"start_sec":17180.09,"end_sec":17264.59,"text":"Um, in closing, I wanted to to share a thought. Dover is at a point where we can make a smart, visible investment that strengthens the city's economy while improving workforce outcomes at the same time. Establishing a multisport complex here through the Get Work Foundation is exactly that: a destination facility that drives local spending, supports small businesses, and creates both near-term construction activity and long-term operational jobs. For the city, this is a proven economic multiplier, bringing families, athletes, and visitors, increasing demand for hospitality, retail, and services, and strengthening Dover's competitiveness as a place to live, work, and invest. For employment, it's workforce development work with real traction. The program connects youth and residents to job readiness, practical education, mentorship, and pathways that help people qualify for work and build lasting careers, so the local talent pipeline grows right here in Dover. And for the youth development, it builds discipline, confidence, leadership, and community connection. Then it intentionally bridges from athletics to workforce education. We're not just building a facility; we're building opportunity that converts into jobs and economic stability. City Council and business leaders, I offer you an opportunity to support the solution.","topics_json":"[\"business\",\"budget\"]","vector_id":"vec_seg_101612_711","created_at":"2026-10-31T08:06:38Z","speaker_name":"Rosenda Brickhouse"},{"id":"seg_101612_712","meeting_id":"101612","media_asset_id":"med_101612_222f4db39d42ac83","agenda_item_id":null,"speaker_id":"off_david_l_anderson","speaker_confidence":0.95,"start_sec":17265.59,"end_sec":17273.59,"text":"Thank you. All right. Anyone else? Please come forward.","topics_json":"[]","vector_id":"vec_seg_101612_712","created_at":"2026-10-31T08:06:38Z","speaker_name":"David L. Anderson"},{"id":"seg_101612_713","meeting_id":"101612","media_asset_id":"med_101612_222f4db39d42ac83","agenda_item_id":null,"speaker_id":"spk_101612_larry_harvey","speaker_confidence":0.95,"start_sec":17277.09,"end_sec":17372.59,"text":"Good evening. Uh, my name is Larry Harvey. I am a Dover resident. I've lived in Delaware or Dover all my life. And, uh, I just want to reiterate that, um, this is a great economic opportunity for Dover, Delaware, uh, simply because Dover is location is unique in that it's central to many places. So like Josh and Damar that stood up here, I have a 10-year-old son who, um, also plays travel soccer. Um, we also did travel football, but we often go to other states and compete, um, throughout the weekends. And what what you see is these facilities, uh, filled with different families. And when we go, we take the family. We stop at the different shops. We go out and eat. We find a new restaurant to visit. So I think this this, um, sports multisports facility will drive some of that local business here. Now, a lot of times we have visitors coming through the state, but they're generally traveling on like, let's say, Route 1, and they're going to the beach, or they're bypassing Dover. I think having a facility here will ultimately bring that traffic in Dover the same way that Bally's, or I'll say Dover Downs does, or we'll say motorsports. But I think this is a great opportunity for Dover, Delaware, and I also support the Get Work Foundation, so thank you.","topics_json":"[\"business\"]","vector_id":"vec_seg_101612_713","created_at":"2026-10-31T08:06:38Z","speaker_name":"Larry Harvey"},{"id":"seg_101612_714","meeting_id":"101612","media_asset_id":"med_101612_222f4db39d42ac83","agenda_item_id":null,"speaker_id":"off_david_l_anderson","speaker_confidence":0.95,"start_sec":17373.09,"end_sec":17460.09,"text":"Thank you. Anyone else? Okay. Um, I'm going to make a quick statement and there's definitely value to a feasibility study for this. Um, I don't think it's a question about that. Uh, currently we have the, um, Economic Development Fund applications are closed. I'm not sure when it's open, but it's at least the next month. Um, but there have also been other organizations that have asked for something similar, like the, uh, swim center. And I think it would be valuable if we ask the staff to explore, uh, combining this in a city-owned study that each organization can access and use fully. Uh, if we're paying for it, we should own it, in my opinion. But it should be public access and they should, they all their criteria goes in, so it's 100% useful and it's, uh, yeah, and and it's able to be utilized broadly, because we we should do this once, not twice, not three times, in my opinion, save the taxpayers' money. Anyway, uh, is there a motion to refer this to, uh, staff?","topics_json":"[\"budget\",\"business\"]","vector_id":"vec_seg_101612_714","created_at":"2026-10-31T08:06:38Z","speaker_name":"David L. Anderson"},{"id":"seg_101612_715","meeting_id":"101612","media_asset_id":"med_101612_222f4db39d42ac83","agenda_item_id":null,"speaker_id":"spk_101612_council_member","speaker_confidence":0.8,"start_sec":17461.09,"end_sec":17463.59,"text":"I move to refer this to staff.","topics_json":"[]","vector_id":"vec_seg_101612_715","created_at":"2026-10-31T08:06:38Z","speaker_name":null},{"id":"seg_101612_716","meeting_id":"101612","media_asset_id":"med_101612_222f4db39d42ac83","agenda_item_id":null,"speaker_id":"off_david_l_anderson","speaker_confidence":0.95,"start_sec":17464.09,"end_sec":17470.09,"text":"Is there, I'm sorry? Is there a second?","topics_json":"[]","vector_id":"vec_seg_101612_716","created_at":"2026-10-31T08:06:38Z","speaker_name":"David L. Anderson"},{"id":"seg_101612_717","meeting_id":"101612","media_asset_id":"med_101612_222f4db39d42ac83","agenda_item_id":null,"speaker_id":"spk_101612_council_member","speaker_confidence":0.8,"start_sec":17470.59,"end_sec":17473.59,"text":"There's a second, but I thought this said action not required, but...","topics_json":"[]","vector_id":"vec_seg_101612_717","created_at":"2026-10-31T08:06:38Z","speaker_name":null},{"id":"seg_101612_718","meeting_id":"101612","media_asset_id":"med_101612_222f4db39d42ac83","agenda_item_id":null,"speaker_id":"off_david_l_anderson","speaker_confidence":0.95,"start_sec":17474.09,"end_sec":17477.59,"text":"It's not required, but then we'd do absolutely nothing about it.","topics_json":"[]","vector_id":"vec_seg_101612_718","created_at":"2026-10-31T08:06:38Z","speaker_name":"David L. Anderson"},{"id":"seg_101612_719","meeting_id":"101612","media_asset_id":"med_101612_222f4db39d42ac83","agenda_item_id":null,"speaker_id":"spk_101612_council_member","speaker_confidence":0.8,"start_sec":17477.89,"end_sec":17479.59,"text":"All right. I'll second it.","topics_json":"[]","vector_id":"vec_seg_101612_719","created_at":"2026-10-31T08:06:38Z","speaker_name":null},{"id":"seg_101612_72","meeting_id":"101612","media_asset_id":"med_101612_222f4db39d42ac83","agenda_item_id":null,"speaker_id":"spk_101612_unknown_speaker","speaker_confidence":0.5,"start_sec":2359.3,"end_sec":2365.68,"text":"Why? Protect 4. Because I have a letter, too, from already.","topics_json":"[]","vector_id":"vec_seg_101612_72","created_at":"2026-10-31T08:06:36Z","speaker_name":null},{"id":"seg_101612_720","meeting_id":"101612","media_asset_id":"med_101612_222f4db39d42ac83","agenda_item_id":null,"speaker_id":"off_david_l_anderson","speaker_confidence":0.95,"start_sec":17480.09,"end_sec":17486.09,"text":"All right. Uh, discussion? All in favor of referring it to staff for review?","topics_json":"[]","vector_id":"vec_seg_101612_720","created_at":"2026-10-31T08:06:38Z","speaker_name":"David L. Anderson"},{"id":"seg_101612_721","meeting_id":"101612","media_asset_id":"med_101612_222f4db39d42ac83","agenda_item_id":null,"speaker_id":"spk_101612_council_members","speaker_confidence":0.9,"start_sec":17486.29,"end_sec":17487.89,"text":"Aye.","topics_json":"[]","vector_id":"vec_seg_101612_721","created_at":"2026-10-31T08:06:38Z","speaker_name":null},{"id":"seg_101612_722","meeting_id":"101612","media_asset_id":"med_101612_222f4db39d42ac83","agenda_item_id":null,"speaker_id":"off_david_l_anderson","speaker_confidence":0.95,"start_sec":17487.99,"end_sec":17492.59,"text":"Aye. Any opposed? Motion carries. Did I have I'm sorry?","topics_json":"[]","vector_id":"vec_seg_101612_722","created_at":"2026-10-31T08:06:38Z","speaker_name":"David L. Anderson"},{"id":"seg_101612_723","meeting_id":"101612","media_asset_id":"med_101612_222f4db39d42ac83","agenda_item_id":null,"speaker_id":"spk_101612_council_member","speaker_confidence":0.8,"start_sec":17493.09,"end_sec":17495.09,"text":"Part two will second it.","topics_json":"[]","vector_id":"vec_seg_101612_723","created_at":"2026-10-31T08:06:38Z","speaker_name":null},{"id":"seg_101612_724","meeting_id":"101612","media_asset_id":"med_101612_222f4db39d42ac83","agenda_item_id":null,"speaker_id":"off_david_l_anderson","speaker_confidence":0.95,"start_sec":17495.59,"end_sec":17499.59,"text":"Okay. Uh, the motion carries. And thank you.","topics_json":"[]","vector_id":"vec_seg_101612_724","created_at":"2026-10-31T08:06:38Z","speaker_name":"David L. Anderson"},{"id":"seg_101612_725","meeting_id":"101612","media_asset_id":"med_101612_222f4db39d42ac83","agenda_item_id":null,"speaker_id":"off_david_l_anderson","speaker_confidence":0.95,"start_sec":17500.09,"end_sec":17546.59,"text":"Uh, let's get to the, uh, next item, which is, uh, item two, Proposed Resolution 2023-12, implementing recommendations of the independent investigation and review conducted by 21CP Solutions. And, uh, and I would, uh, like to, um, make a, uh, statement on that. I uh, uh, Chairman Boggerty, um, would, because I am an author of this resolution, I would like to, if possible, I'd like to, uh, turn this over to you to chair this one item and then be recognized.","topics_json":"[\"public_safety\"]","vector_id":"vec_seg_101612_725","created_at":"2026-10-31T08:06:38Z","speaker_name":"David L. Anderson"},{"id":"seg_101612_726","meeting_id":"101612","media_asset_id":"med_101612_222f4db39d42ac83","agenda_item_id":null,"speaker_id":"off_andre_m_boggerty","speaker_confidence":0.95,"start_sec":17547.09,"end_sec":17549.09,"text":"Um, I agree to chair this item.","topics_json":"[]","vector_id":"vec_seg_101612_726","created_at":"2026-10-31T08:06:38Z","speaker_name":"Andre M. Boggerty"},{"id":"seg_101612_727","meeting_id":"101612","media_asset_id":"med_101612_222f4db39d42ac83","agenda_item_id":null,"speaker_id":"off_david_l_anderson","speaker_confidence":0.95,"start_sec":17549.59,"end_sec":17550.59,"text":"Thank you.","topics_json":"[]","vector_id":"vec_seg_101612_727","created_at":"2026-10-31T08:06:38Z","speaker_name":"David L. Anderson"},{"id":"seg_101612_728","meeting_id":"101612","media_asset_id":"med_101612_222f4db39d42ac83","agenda_item_id":null,"speaker_id":"off_andre_m_boggerty","speaker_confidence":0.95,"start_sec":17551.09,"end_sec":17572.59,"text":"Uh, the chair recognizes the chair recognizes Council President, the interim Council President Anderson, to for item number two, Proposed Resolution 2023-12, implementing recommendations of the independent investigation and review conducted by 21CP Solutions.","topics_json":"[\"public_safety\"]","vector_id":"vec_seg_101612_728","created_at":"2026-10-31T08:06:38Z","speaker_name":"Andre M. Boggerty"},{"id":"seg_101612_729","meeting_id":"101612","media_asset_id":"med_101612_222f4db39d42ac83","agenda_item_id":null,"speaker_id":"off_david_l_anderson","speaker_confidence":0.95,"start_sec":17573.09,"end_sec":17694.74,"text":"Thank you, Mr. Chairman. Um, first of all, let's, uh, say what this is not. This is not a, uh, making a judgment about any individuals. This is about what it is about is, uh, administration of city procedures, and that Council has a, uh, right under, uh, quite frankly, and a duty under Article 2, Section 14, which, uh, says which basically vests the power of administration in, you know, in the Council, as well as, uh, Section 18, as well as Section 32, and other in areas of the, uh, and even, uh, and even, uh, the shared responsibilities in in Section, uh, 53, which, uh, which talks about the, uh, which gives the mayor conservator of the peace, but also gives, uh, Council some shared shared responsibilities, uh, particularly with in in salaries and emoluments. Uh, an emolument is any benefit that comes out of, uh, that that is connected with a position. Uh, so Council is allowed to, uh, determine that as well. Uh, the recommendations, uh, are not something that we invented or, but came out of a study or, uh, a we call it a study, but a, uh, report, uh, from, uh, the 21st Century, uh, Policing. Uh, they gave, uh, some recommendations, and, uh, things that this recommendations were...","topics_json":"[\"public_safety\"]","vector_id":"vec_seg_101612_729","created_at":"2026-10-31T08:06:38Z","speaker_name":"David L. Anderson"},{"id":"seg_101612_73","meeting_id":"101612","media_asset_id":"med_101612_222f4db39d42ac83","agenda_item_id":null,"speaker_id":"off_tricia_k_arndt","speaker_confidence":0.95,"start_sec":2368.07,"end_sec":2381.63,"text":"Just submit with the application. I think that would strengthen the application. And you understand we're not making any decisions tonight. You would submit an application, staff would review it, check references, and check all the facts and data, and then it would be brought back to us. So","topics_json":"[]","vector_id":"vec_seg_101612_73","created_at":"2026-10-31T08:06:36Z","speaker_name":"Tricia K. Arndt"},{"id":"seg_101612_730","meeting_id":"101612","media_asset_id":"med_101612_222f4db39d42ac83","agenda_item_id":null,"speaker_id":"off_david_l_anderson","speaker_confidence":0.95,"start_sec":17694.74,"end_sec":17858.24,"text":"were requested. It cost us tens of thousands of dollars, and and there's been a hotly contested public quite a a public uh input on this item. It makes sense that those recommendations uh be brought forth publicly for discussion and review. Uh if if you notice um, the resolution uh we asked the staff to come up with solutions um and gives them 60 days to do so, and that allows the opportunity for all concerns and interests to be balanced. But it gives the direction, and the direction is to uh look at uh quite frankly uh Article, I believe it's Article 2 um uh no Chapter 30, Article 2, uh 3020, which it has to do with the ethics code, uh H3, and make sure that, for instance, the handbook is consistent with the law. Um we need to ensure that the whole city's uh on the same page, in a way, however, that understands that different departments, particularly a department like the police department, uh have different requirements than uh some other departments. Um and we, yeah, we have to uh look at those in the totality. However, that must begin. And the starting point, um I believe must be uh these particular recommendations, and then let's uh and then let's uh move forward. Because these recommendations are consistent with the ordinances and codes that are consistently in place. Therefore, to implement them, um we just need to resolve to do so. We do not need a new ordinance. Our ordinance is not broken. Um however, what we do have a problem with is uh maybe um the interpretations. And council is the um final interpreter, except in of a court case, the final interpreter of what its own ordinances mean. Therefore, uh I bring this uh resolution for your consideration, and I yield, Mr. Chairman.","topics_json":"[\"public_safety\"]","vector_id":"vec_seg_101612_730","created_at":"2026-10-31T08:06:38Z","speaker_name":"David L. Anderson"},{"id":"seg_101612_731","meeting_id":"101612","media_asset_id":"med_101612_222f4db39d42ac83","agenda_item_id":null,"speaker_id":"off_andre_m_boggerty","speaker_confidence":0.95,"start_sec":17858.24,"end_sec":17861.24,"text":"Thank you. The chair recognizes Councilman Lewis.","topics_json":"[]","vector_id":"vec_seg_101612_731","created_at":"2026-10-31T08:06:38Z","speaker_name":"Andre M. Boggerty"},{"id":"seg_101612_732","meeting_id":"101612","media_asset_id":"med_101612_222f4db39d42ac83","agenda_item_id":null,"speaker_id":"off_brian_e_lewis","speaker_confidence":0.95,"start_sec":17861.24,"end_sec":17873.34,"text":"All right. Yes. I would like to make a motion that the full report of 21CP investigation be released to the public for full transparency.","topics_json":"[\"public_safety\"]","vector_id":"vec_seg_101612_732","created_at":"2026-10-31T08:06:38Z","speaker_name":"Brian E. Lewis"},{"id":"seg_101612_733","meeting_id":"101612","media_asset_id":"med_101612_222f4db39d42ac83","agenda_item_id":null,"speaker_id":"off_andre_m_boggerty","speaker_confidence":0.95,"start_sec":17873.34,"end_sec":17885.74,"text":"There's been a motion, um there's still discussion, but there's a motion being made. Does anyone anybody want to second it, and then we enter discussion? Can Can you","topics_json":"[]","vector_id":"vec_seg_101612_733","created_at":"2026-10-31T08:06:38Z","speaker_name":"Andre M. Boggerty"},{"id":"seg_101612_734","meeting_id":"101612","media_asset_id":"med_101612_222f4db39d42ac83","agenda_item_id":null,"speaker_id":"off_roy_sudler_jr","speaker_confidence":0.95,"start_sec":17885.74,"end_sec":17888.94,"text":"I'll second it.","topics_json":"[]","vector_id":"vec_seg_101612_734","created_at":"2026-10-31T08:06:38Z","speaker_name":"Roy Sudler, Jr."},{"id":"seg_101612_735","meeting_id":"101612","media_asset_id":"med_101612_222f4db39d42ac83","agenda_item_id":null,"speaker_id":"off_andre_m_boggerty","speaker_confidence":0.95,"start_sec":17888.94,"end_sec":17895.44,"text":"Okay. It's been properly moved and seconded. Now is there any discussion?","topics_json":"[]","vector_id":"vec_seg_101612_735","created_at":"2026-10-31T08:06:38Z","speaker_name":"Andre M. Boggerty"},{"id":"seg_101612_736","meeting_id":"101612","media_asset_id":"med_101612_222f4db39d42ac83","agenda_item_id":null,"speaker_id":"off_robin_r_christiansen","speaker_confidence":0.95,"start_sec":17895.44,"end_sec":17896.84,"text":"I have discussion.","topics_json":"[]","vector_id":"vec_seg_101612_736","created_at":"2026-10-31T08:06:38Z","speaker_name":"Robin R. Christiansen"},{"id":"seg_101612_737","meeting_id":"101612","media_asset_id":"med_101612_222f4db39d42ac83","agenda_item_id":null,"speaker_id":"off_andre_m_boggerty","speaker_confidence":0.95,"start_sec":17896.84,"end_sec":17900.54,"text":"Discussion, the chair recognizes uh the Mayor.","topics_json":"[]","vector_id":"vec_seg_101612_737","created_at":"2026-10-31T08:06:38Z","speaker_name":"Andre M. Boggerty"},{"id":"seg_101612_738","meeting_id":"101612","media_asset_id":"med_101612_222f4db39d42ac83","agenda_item_id":null,"speaker_id":"off_david_l_anderson","speaker_confidence":0.95,"start_sec":17900.54,"end_sec":17904.34,"text":"Um Well, may I Mr. Mayor?","topics_json":"[]","vector_id":"vec_seg_101612_738","created_at":"2026-10-31T08:06:38Z","speaker_name":"David L. Anderson"},{"id":"seg_101612_739","meeting_id":"101612","media_asset_id":"med_101612_222f4db39d42ac83","agenda_item_id":null,"speaker_id":"off_robin_r_christiansen","speaker_confidence":0.95,"start_sec":17904.34,"end_sec":17908.94,"text":"I think what I have to say is kind of pertinent to this, but go the hell ahead.","topics_json":"[]","vector_id":"vec_seg_101612_739","created_at":"2026-10-31T08:06:38Z","speaker_name":"Robin R. Christiansen"},{"id":"seg_101612_74","meeting_id":"101612","media_asset_id":"med_101612_222f4db39d42ac83","agenda_item_id":null,"speaker_id":"spk_101612_unknown_speaker","speaker_confidence":0.5,"start_sec":2374.45,"end_sec":2378.44,"text":"Oh. Oh. Try.","topics_json":"[]","vector_id":"vec_seg_101612_74","created_at":"2026-10-31T08:06:36Z","speaker_name":null},{"id":"seg_101612_740","meeting_id":"101612","media_asset_id":"med_101612_222f4db39d42ac83","agenda_item_id":null,"speaker_id":"off_david_l_anderson","speaker_confidence":0.95,"start_sec":17908.94,"end_sec":17952.34,"text":"Okay. If you may, thank you. Um, I would say that um, we have uh extensive uh writing by our solicitor, which says that it would be illegal for us to um release this uh report, particularly unredacted, because it would that would be a violation of Law Enforcement Officers' Bill of Rights, and uh that and so, I would urge uh members uh not to go along with that, but to uh follow the advice of our counsel, and I yield to your his honor. Thank you.","topics_json":"[\"public_safety\"]","vector_id":"vec_seg_101612_740","created_at":"2026-10-31T08:06:38Z","speaker_name":"David L. Anderson"},{"id":"seg_101612_741","meeting_id":"101612","media_asset_id":"med_101612_222f4db39d42ac83","agenda_item_id":null,"speaker_id":"off_robin_r_christiansen","speaker_confidence":0.95,"start_sec":17952.34,"end_sec":18168.54,"text":"Thank you, uh, Councilman Acting Council President Anderson. You know, last night, we had some accusations made on this floor that uh, the chief and myself had violated some ethical codes. It has been investigated numerous times by the Department of Justice, internally, and through this uh, investigation that the city paid $70,000 for. I need to remind council that the terms and the conditions of Chief Johnson's employment were approved by this council after a committee, made up of city staff and members of council, recommended his hiring, and it was brought to the council floor. Let me reiterate to you that uh, I don't take my job as willy-nilly. I have asked and received on a weekly basis, an accountability of the chief's activities, and emails, rather detailed, of his work product. I believe that this resolution is premature. I concur with Councilman Lewis that the public has a right to know. Uh I have no shield from what was in that report, and I insist that before this resolution is acted on by council, we have an obligation to the public and to the people who are investigated in that report to release it, and I will settle for nothing less. I believe in transparency. If I have done wrong, hold my feet to the fire. If I haven't, then don't hold my feet to the fire. In a resolution that's brought to this floor without transparency to the public, and questioning, at the end of the day, don't question the chief. He reports to me, so I take responsibility of what was in the terms of his hiring, and how he has performed his duties and jobs. But I insist, along with Councilman Lewis, that the city pay for this report, transparency must prevail, and I have nothing to hide. I have acted within the confines of that of the hiring agreement that the committee made, and we brought to a recommendation to a previous council. We have an obligation to maintain those standards for the current chief. You want to change them after he walks away, do it. But at the end of the day, it's imperative that if this report and DOJ investigations, and council's are well aware that we discuss this in executive session probably two or three times, two years ago, and no action was taken then, it is imperative for transparency that this report be given to the people that paid for it. I rest my case.","topics_json":"[\"public_safety\",\"budget\"]","vector_id":"vec_seg_101612_741","created_at":"2026-10-31T08:06:38Z","speaker_name":"Robin R. Christiansen"},{"id":"seg_101612_742","meeting_id":"101612","media_asset_id":"med_101612_222f4db39d42ac83","agenda_item_id":null,"speaker_id":"off_andre_m_boggerty","speaker_confidence":0.95,"start_sec":18168.54,"end_sec":18177.44,"text":"Thank you. Any other members of the committee, uh, The chair recognizes Councilman Dr. Sudler.","topics_json":"[]","vector_id":"vec_seg_101612_742","created_at":"2026-10-31T08:06:38Z","speaker_name":"Andre M. Boggerty"},{"id":"seg_101612_743","meeting_id":"101612","media_asset_id":"med_101612_222f4db39d42ac83","agenda_item_id":null,"speaker_id":"off_roy_sudler_jr","speaker_confidence":0.95,"start_sec":18177.44,"end_sec":18227.44,"text":"Thank you for recognizing me. I want to say thank you to the Mayor uh, for reiterating uh, transparency. Uh, my only concern is, uh, being that you have, in my view, implied that you are giving authorization or you are in agreement with releasing the full report, my only concern is is that also the sentiment of Chief uh, uh, Thomas? Thomas Johnson, right. Is that his sentiment? Because I want to make sure that if that is done, that the constituents will not be in harm's way of a potential lawsuit uh, for releasing it, so that's my only concern. I yield.","topics_json":"[\"public_safety\"]","vector_id":"vec_seg_101612_743","created_at":"2026-10-31T08:06:38Z","speaker_name":"Roy Sudler, Jr."},{"id":"seg_101612_744","meeting_id":"101612","media_asset_id":"med_101612_222f4db39d42ac83","agenda_item_id":null,"speaker_id":"off_andre_m_boggerty","speaker_confidence":0.95,"start_sec":18227.44,"end_sec":18238.84,"text":"Thank you. Um is that a question you're posing to Chief Johnson? Yeah.","topics_json":"[]","vector_id":"vec_seg_101612_744","created_at":"2026-10-31T08:06:38Z","speaker_name":"Andre M. Boggerty"},{"id":"seg_101612_745","meeting_id":"101612","media_asset_id":"med_101612_222f4db39d42ac83","agenda_item_id":null,"speaker_id":"off_david_l_anderson","speaker_confidence":0.95,"start_sec":18238.84,"end_sec":18252.74,"text":"Point of order. Yes. Uh, point of order. Uh the chief is represented by counsel, and therefore, we are not allowed to question him on on this without his counsel present, and his counsel has given objection to that.","topics_json":"[\"public_safety\"]","vector_id":"vec_seg_101612_745","created_at":"2026-10-31T08:06:38Z","speaker_name":"David L. Anderson"},{"id":"seg_101612_746","meeting_id":"101612","media_asset_id":"med_101612_222f4db39d42ac83","agenda_item_id":null,"speaker_id":"off_andre_m_boggerty","speaker_confidence":0.95,"start_sec":18252.74,"end_sec":18259.64,"text":"Yep. All right, thank you for The chair re-recognizes uh, the Mayor.","topics_json":"[]","vector_id":"vec_seg_101612_746","created_at":"2026-10-31T08:06:38Z","speaker_name":"Andre M. Boggerty"},{"id":"seg_101612_747","meeting_id":"101612","media_asset_id":"med_101612_222f4db39d42ac83","agenda_item_id":null,"speaker_id":"off_robin_r_christiansen","speaker_confidence":0.95,"start_sec":18259.64,"end_sec":18288.34,"text":"I think it would be very prudent, and I've been known to be wrong, that this resolution be tabled for further consideration, and that this council uh, act in the manner to which it should be done, which will not be costly to the city. But I insist on the release of the report on my end.","topics_json":"[\"public_safety\"]","vector_id":"vec_seg_101612_747","created_at":"2026-10-31T08:06:38Z","speaker_name":"Robin R. Christiansen"},{"id":"seg_101612_748","meeting_id":"101612","media_asset_id":"med_101612_222f4db39d42ac83","agenda_item_id":null,"speaker_id":"off_david_l_anderson","speaker_confidence":0.95,"start_sec":18288.34,"end_sec":18294.64,"text":"Uh on to clear, waiving on your end, which uh is that correct? For the record.","topics_json":"[]","vector_id":"vec_seg_101612_748","created_at":"2026-10-31T08:06:38Z","speaker_name":"David L. Anderson"},{"id":"seg_101612_749","meeting_id":"101612","media_asset_id":"med_101612_222f4db39d42ac83","agenda_item_id":null,"speaker_id":"off_robin_r_christiansen","speaker_confidence":0.95,"start_sec":18294.64,"end_sec":18300.04,"text":"On advice of my attorney, because I have nothing to hide, Mr. Chairman.","topics_json":"[]","vector_id":"vec_seg_101612_749","created_at":"2026-10-31T08:06:38Z","speaker_name":"Robin R. Christiansen"},{"id":"seg_101612_75","meeting_id":"101612","media_asset_id":"med_101612_222f4db39d42ac83","agenda_item_id":null,"speaker_id":"off_tricia_k_arndt","speaker_confidence":0.95,"start_sec":2383.23,"end_sec":2384.82,"text":"thank you for your time. I yield.","topics_json":"[]","vector_id":"vec_seg_101612_75","created_at":"2026-10-31T08:06:36Z","speaker_name":"Tricia K. Arndt"},{"id":"seg_101612_750","meeting_id":"101612","media_asset_id":"med_101612_222f4db39d42ac83","agenda_item_id":null,"speaker_id":"off_andre_m_boggerty","speaker_confidence":0.95,"start_sec":18300.04,"end_sec":18307.14,"text":"Yes, thank you. The chair I see you. The chair recognizes Councilwoman Arndt.","topics_json":"[]","vector_id":"vec_seg_101612_750","created_at":"2026-10-31T08:06:38Z","speaker_name":"Andre M. Boggerty"},{"id":"seg_101612_751","meeting_id":"101612","media_asset_id":"med_101612_222f4db39d42ac83","agenda_item_id":null,"speaker_id":"off_tricia_k_arndt","speaker_confidence":0.95,"start_sec":18307.14,"end_sec":18325.64,"text":"Thank you. I I don't have any concerns or issues with release of the report, but I do recall having that conversation with the solicitor that we could not release the report, so I am not going to vote on a motion on the floor without revisiting that discussion with the solicitor. I yield.","topics_json":"[\"public_safety\"]","vector_id":"vec_seg_101612_751","created_at":"2026-10-31T08:06:38Z","speaker_name":"Tricia K. Arndt"},{"id":"seg_101612_752","meeting_id":"101612","media_asset_id":"med_101612_222f4db39d42ac83","agenda_item_id":null,"speaker_id":"off_andre_m_boggerty","speaker_confidence":0.95,"start_sec":18325.64,"end_sec":18343.54,"text":"Thank you. Any other members of the committee before we go into public comment? The chair The The The chair recognizes uh, um, uh, Ms. Smack for public comment.","topics_json":"[]","vector_id":"vec_seg_101612_752","created_at":"2026-10-31T08:06:38Z","speaker_name":"Andre M. Boggerty"},{"id":"seg_101612_753","meeting_id":"101612","media_asset_id":"med_101612_222f4db39d42ac83","agenda_item_id":null,"speaker_id":"spk_101612_vondaleer_smack","speaker_confidence":0.95,"start_sec":18343.54,"end_sec":18599.04,"text":"Good evening, Mayor and Council. My name is Vondaleer Smack. Everybody knows me as Smack Said It. Uh, where's the full 21CP Solutions investigation report that taxpayers paid for? We paid for an independent investigation, now we're being handed roughly 1 and 3/4 pages of proposed resolutions and expected to guess what investigators found. Dover deserves better. Spotlight Delaware reported on May 29th that the investigation's contract was for $50,000. It also reported that the city denied its request for the report, citing personnel and pending investigation exemptions. $50,000 is serious public money. Tell us the final amount paid and show us what the money purchased. Um, when this review was announced, WMDT reported that the city expected the findings to be reported publicly upon completion. Heard several several council people say that, well, we still haven't gotten the report. The Mayor spoke about integrity and transparency from the jump. Thank you, Mayor. I'm asking you to honor that commitment. Even 21CP's own website says it delivered factual findings along with recommendations for Dover. So where are those findings? Proposed Resolution 2026-12 calls for restrictions on political meetings with on-duty officers, written vehicle rules, secondary employment, safeguards, variable timekeeping for command staff, and written employment arrangements. These recommendations raise serious questions. What facts led to each recommendation? Which al- allegations were sus- substantiated, which were not, and which remained unresolved? What did investigators conclude about the Mayor, the Chief, or whatever other situations were going on, including interactions involving council members? Recommendations alone do not answer those questions. New policies tell us what you intend to change. The investigator findings tell us why changes are needed and whether accountability is warranted. We should not have to read between lines to understand an investigation we funded. I am requesting release of the full report, including its findings, conclusions, and supporting material to the fullest extent permitted. If specific information must legally be withheld, redact that information and explain the legal basis for each withholding. Give us a firm release date, publish the contract, invoices, total amount paid, let residents ask questions in a public meeting, and make the resolution's 60-day progress report public. We deserve to see whether these promises become actual practice. Mayor and Council, public trust requires public answers. Taxpayers deserve more than a relate- than a resolution asking us to trust that everything has been handled. Release the report, explain the findings, show us the accountability we paid for answers, and stop asking us to settle for questions. Transparency is the key word, and it's Smack Said It.","topics_json":"[\"public_safety\",\"budget\"]","vector_id":"vec_seg_101612_753","created_at":"2026-10-31T08:06:38Z","speaker_name":"Vondaleer Smack"},{"id":"seg_101612_754","meeting_id":"101612","media_asset_id":"med_101612_222f4db39d42ac83","agenda_item_id":null,"speaker_id":"off_andre_m_boggerty","speaker_confidence":0.95,"start_sec":18599.04,"end_sec":18618.04,"text":"Thank you. Is there anyone else on on who's on public in the audience? Um, the chair recognizes uh Shelton Paul, who is online. Give her a chance to unmute.","topics_json":"[]","vector_id":"vec_seg_101612_754","created_at":"2026-10-31T08:06:38Z","speaker_name":"Andre M. Boggerty"},{"id":"seg_101612_755","meeting_id":"101612","media_asset_id":"med_101612_222f4db39d42ac83","agenda_item_id":null,"speaker_id":"off_robin_r_christiansen","speaker_confidence":0.95,"start_sec":18618.04,"end_sec":18620.04,"text":"I wish you'd take my receipt.","topics_json":"[]","vector_id":"vec_seg_101612_755","created_at":"2026-10-31T08:06:38Z","speaker_name":"Robin R. Christiansen"},{"id":"seg_101612_756","meeting_id":"101612","media_asset_id":"med_101612_222f4db39d42ac83","agenda_item_id":null,"speaker_id":"spk_101612_shelton_paul","speaker_confidence":0.95,"start_sec":18620.04,"end_sec":18625.24,"text":"Can you hear me? Yes. Hi,","topics_json":"[]","vector_id":"vec_seg_101612_756","created_at":"2026-10-31T08:06:38Z","speaker_name":null},{"id":"seg_101612_757","meeting_id":"101612","media_asset_id":"med_101612_222f4db39d42ac83","agenda_item_id":null,"speaker_id":"off_andre_m_boggerty","speaker_confidence":0.95,"start_sec":18625.24,"end_sec":18626.74,"text":"Thank you.","topics_json":"[]","vector_id":"vec_seg_101612_757","created_at":"2026-10-31T08:06:38Z","speaker_name":"Andre M. Boggerty"},{"id":"seg_101612_758","meeting_id":"101612","media_asset_id":"med_101612_222f4db39d42ac83","agenda_item_id":null,"speaker_id":"spk_101612_shelton_paul","speaker_confidence":0.95,"start_sec":18626.74,"end_sec":18716.14,"text":"Okay. With regards to, I am I am totally in agreement with Mayor Christiansen. Um, the fact that um, Chief Johnson has an attorney, I also am understanding um, where there is if he has not given permission, where there could be um, legalities with regards to using for the report in itself. So if there is something that needs to be redacted in that report, then um, redact the information that needs to be redacted, so that it is not um, there is no release of any personal information or anything um, that should not be released with regards to the findings. But, taxpayers did pay $50,000-plus um, for those findings, and you can't when you're given a resolution, there needs to be have to be able to know exactly what the findings were to make sure that the resolution actually makes sense to accommodate whatever wrongdoing there was, or whatever issues that were found during the investigation. So because it was done in for full transparency for the public, the public deserves to see exactly what transpired and what did not, um, and know what that what those resolutions are for and what you are actually voting on. I yield.","topics_json":"[\"public_safety\",\"budget\"]","vector_id":"vec_seg_101612_758","created_at":"2026-10-31T08:06:38Z","speaker_name":null},{"id":"seg_101612_759","meeting_id":"101612","media_asset_id":"med_101612_222f4db39d42ac83","agenda_item_id":null,"speaker_id":"off_andre_m_boggerty","speaker_confidence":0.95,"start_sec":18716.14,"end_sec":18737.54,"text":"Thank you. Are there any other public comments online? Okay. Um can you Uh there's there's a motion on the floor, but I know that hours late, so we probably need it need it repeated. Uh uh Councilman Sudler has a question? Thank you.","topics_json":"[]","vector_id":"vec_seg_101612_759","created_at":"2026-10-31T08:06:38Z","speaker_name":"Andre M. Boggerty"},{"id":"seg_101612_76","meeting_id":"101612","media_asset_id":"med_101612_222f4db39d42ac83","agenda_item_id":null,"speaker_id":"off_david_l_anderson","speaker_confidence":0.95,"start_sec":2386.42,"end_sec":2389.61,"text":"Thank you. Dr. Sudler.","topics_json":"[]","vector_id":"vec_seg_101612_76","created_at":"2026-10-31T08:06:36Z","speaker_name":"David L. Anderson"},{"id":"seg_101612_760","meeting_id":"101612","media_asset_id":"med_101612_222f4db39d42ac83","agenda_item_id":null,"speaker_id":"off_roy_sudler_jr","speaker_confidence":0.95,"start_sec":18737.54,"end_sec":18799.64,"text":"Thank you for recognizing me. Um, in regards to the the motion, and and I understand and I have the same sentiment concern. Is there anyway we can get our city solicitor uh, at you know, on the on the line or I mean, is there any way to have legal advice before we take this? I was hoping that he would be here tonight on something as crucial and essential as this. But nevertheless, we're here now. Um, is there anyway that we can send some type of communication to let him know that what is transpiring now, and how he would advise us? He's already aware of the situation and the entire dynamics, and so, you know, in the fairness of other councilpersons feeling comfortable with making a decision, um, or not a decision, I think we need to have the legal advice of our city solicitor, that's what we pay him for. I yield.","topics_json":"[\"public_safety\",\"budget\"]","vector_id":"vec_seg_101612_760","created_at":"2026-10-31T08:06:38Z","speaker_name":"Roy Sudler, Jr."},{"id":"seg_101612_761","meeting_id":"101612","media_asset_id":"med_101612_222f4db39d42ac83","agenda_item_id":null,"speaker_id":"off_andre_m_boggerty","speaker_confidence":0.95,"start_sec":18799.64,"end_sec":18808.54,"text":"Well, if we were to do thank you. If we were to do that, we would have to have a brief caucus for someone to call, um, but the chair recognizes","topics_json":"[]","vector_id":"vec_seg_101612_761","created_at":"2026-10-31T08:06:38Z","speaker_name":"Andre M. Boggerty"},{"id":"seg_101612_762","meeting_id":"101612","media_asset_id":"med_101612_222f4db39d42ac83","agenda_item_id":null,"speaker_id":"off_robin_r_christiansen","speaker_confidence":0.95,"start_sec":18808.54,"end_sec":18816.24,"text":"It's 11:00 at night. Would you answer your phone at 11:15 at night? Hell, man, he's asleep.","topics_json":"[]","vector_id":"vec_seg_101612_762","created_at":"2026-10-31T08:06:38Z","speaker_name":"Robin R. Christiansen"},{"id":"seg_101612_763","meeting_id":"101612","media_asset_id":"med_101612_222f4db39d42ac83","agenda_item_id":null,"speaker_id":"off_david_l_anderson","speaker_confidence":0.95,"start_sec":18816.24,"end_sec":18818.74,"text":"Not if it's from us.","topics_json":"[]","vector_id":"vec_seg_101612_763","created_at":"2026-10-31T08:06:38Z","speaker_name":"David L. Anderson"},{"id":"seg_101612_764","meeting_id":"101612","media_asset_id":"med_101612_222f4db39d42ac83","agenda_item_id":null,"speaker_id":"off_andre_m_boggerty","speaker_confidence":0.95,"start_sec":18818.74,"end_sec":18821.54,"text":"Councilman The chair recognizes Councilman Anderson.","topics_json":"[]","vector_id":"vec_seg_101612_764","created_at":"2026-10-31T08:06:38Z","speaker_name":"Andre M. Boggerty"},{"id":"seg_101612_765","meeting_id":"101612","media_asset_id":"med_101612_222f4db39d42ac83","agenda_item_id":null,"speaker_id":"off_david_l_anderson","speaker_confidence":0.95,"start_sec":18821.54,"end_sec":18874.39,"text":"Thank you, um, Mr. Chairman. We already have the solicitor's uh, written viewpoint on the quite frankly on the uh Maggie Reynolds appeal of the uh FOIA, if we want to uh take a uh small break, and uh and review that. And I have, pretty extensive uh, discussion with him myself, uh, but but we can't we we can't um the the the FOIA request we can uh read out, the the the other opinion I I can't because then that would uh violate the attorney-client privilege, and we can't do that. Um, you have to do we would have to have an executive session for that. Mr. Chairman, Um, but we can read the um we can get a hold of the uh the FOIA appeal","topics_json":"[\"public_safety\"]","vector_id":"vec_seg_101612_765","created_at":"2026-10-31T08:06:38Z","speaker_name":"David L. Anderson"},{"id":"seg_101612_766","meeting_id":"101612","media_asset_id":"med_101612_222f4db39d42ac83","agenda_item_id":null,"speaker_id":"off_david_l_anderson","speaker_confidence":1,"start_sec":18874.39,"end_sec":18876.61,"text":"You can if you want to do that.","topics_json":"[]","vector_id":"vec_seg_101612_766","created_at":"2026-10-31T08:06:38Z","speaker_name":"David L. Anderson"},{"id":"seg_101612_767","meeting_id":"101612","media_asset_id":"med_101612_222f4db39d42ac83","agenda_item_id":null,"speaker_id":"off_andre_m_boggerty","speaker_confidence":1,"start_sec":18876.61,"end_sec":18881.81,"text":"Mr. Chair, the nexus of the FOIA appeal was to release in the report.","topics_json":"[]","vector_id":"vec_seg_101612_767","created_at":"2026-10-31T08:06:38Z","speaker_name":"Andre M. Boggerty"},{"id":"seg_101612_768","meeting_id":"101612","media_asset_id":"med_101612_222f4db39d42ac83","agenda_item_id":null,"speaker_id":"off_david_l_anderson","speaker_confidence":1,"start_sec":18881.81,"end_sec":18888.93,"text":"It is. It's 100% about the report being why it can't be released to public.","topics_json":"[]","vector_id":"vec_seg_101612_768","created_at":"2026-10-31T08:06:38Z","speaker_name":"David L. Anderson"},{"id":"seg_101612_769","meeting_id":"101612","media_asset_id":"med_101612_222f4db39d42ac83","agenda_item_id":null,"speaker_id":"off_andre_m_boggerty","speaker_confidence":1,"start_sec":18889.93,"end_sec":18893.17,"text":"Okay. The chair recognizes the mayor.","topics_json":"[]","vector_id":"vec_seg_101612_769","created_at":"2026-10-31T08:06:38Z","speaker_name":"Andre M. Boggerty"},{"id":"seg_101612_77","meeting_id":"101612","media_asset_id":"med_101612_222f4db39d42ac83","agenda_item_id":null,"speaker_id":"off_roy_sudler_jr","speaker_confidence":0.95,"start_sec":2390.41,"end_sec":2397.58,"text":"Thank you for recognizing me. Were you under the impression that we were going to take action upon this discussion prior to you coming? I noticed you're disappointed.","topics_json":"[]","vector_id":"vec_seg_101612_77","created_at":"2026-10-31T08:06:36Z","speaker_name":"Roy Sudler, Jr."},{"id":"seg_101612_770","meeting_id":"101612","media_asset_id":"med_101612_222f4db39d42ac83","agenda_item_id":null,"speaker_id":"off_robin_r_christiansen","speaker_confidence":1,"start_sec":18895.43,"end_sec":18909.97,"text":"I would just caution council to walk softly on this one. I think you need to table this. You need to get more information, and I sure as hell wouldn't call the attorney at 11:15 at night, because he's where we all should be, home in our bunks.","topics_json":"[]","vector_id":"vec_seg_101612_770","created_at":"2026-10-31T08:06:38Z","speaker_name":"Robin R. 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So any questions of ethics on his part or any concern about his ethics, he has acted ethically.","topics_json":"[\"public_safety\"]","vector_id":"vec_seg_101612_772","created_at":"2026-10-31T08:06:38Z","speaker_name":"Robin R. Christiansen"},{"id":"seg_101612_773","meeting_id":"101612","media_asset_id":"med_101612_222f4db39d42ac83","agenda_item_id":null,"speaker_id":"off_robin_r_christiansen","speaker_confidence":1,"start_sec":18988.43,"end_sec":19002.67,"text":"But I would caution council, and let me say this again, I've been here a long time. Tread lightly. Transparency is what's owed to the public.","topics_json":"[]","vector_id":"vec_seg_101612_773","created_at":"2026-10-31T08:06:38Z","speaker_name":"Robin R. 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Rocha, Sr."},{"id":"seg_101612_776","meeting_id":"101612","media_asset_id":"med_101612_222f4db39d42ac83","agenda_item_id":null,"speaker_id":"off_gerald_l_rocha_sr","speaker_confidence":1,"start_sec":19017.47,"end_sec":19090.97,"text":"Um, thank you, Mr. Chairman. Um, so I think we should at least just just Gerald Rocha's statement, release the report to the public, but, and I'm siding with Councilwoman Arndt because, you know, our memory is not going two years back, right, when it comes to what the solicitor said. Um, and what was the reasons, if you can remember, the solicitor, was it because of personnel?","topics_json":"[]","vector_id":"vec_seg_101612_776","created_at":"2026-10-31T08:06:38Z","speaker_name":"Gerald L. Rocha, Sr."},{"id":"seg_101612_777","meeting_id":"101612","media_asset_id":"med_101612_222f4db39d42ac83","agenda_item_id":null,"speaker_id":"off_david_l_anderson","speaker_confidence":1,"start_sec":19090.97,"end_sec":19134.19,"text":"Yeah, yeah. Each of It's a violation. Yes, personnel issues number one. Number two, the the state has a very strict law enforcement officers' bill of rights. And number three, this is an area that is quite frankly we've been asked by counsel not to as well. And so therefore no rights have been waived. So there's other reasoning as well, but that we can't get out in in public. But quite frankly, can we get the the FOIA appeal of","topics_json":"[\"public_safety\"]","vector_id":"vec_seg_101612_777","created_at":"2026-10-31T08:06:38Z","speaker_name":"David L. Anderson"},{"id":"seg_101612_778","meeting_id":"101612","media_asset_id":"med_101612_222f4db39d42ac83","agenda_item_id":null,"speaker_id":"off_david_l_anderson","speaker_confidence":1,"start_sec":19177.53,"end_sec":19185.05,"text":"that clerk? That that that has the reasoning, and it's public.","topics_json":"[]","vector_id":"vec_seg_101612_778","created_at":"2026-10-31T08:06:38Z","speaker_name":"David L. 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If we get it started, we can have a snowball effect.","topics_json":"[\"budget\"]","vector_id":"vec_seg_101612_78","created_at":"2026-10-31T08:06:36Z","speaker_name":null},{"id":"seg_101612_780","meeting_id":"101612","media_asset_id":"med_101612_222f4db39d42ac83","agenda_item_id":null,"speaker_id":"off_david_l_anderson","speaker_confidence":1,"start_sec":19186.77,"end_sec":19188.55,"text":"Maggie Reynolds.","topics_json":"[]","vector_id":"vec_seg_101612_780","created_at":"2026-10-31T08:06:38Z","speaker_name":"David L. 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Boggerty"},{"id":"seg_101612_788","meeting_id":"101612","media_asset_id":"med_101612_222f4db39d42ac83","agenda_item_id":null,"speaker_id":"off_david_l_anderson","speaker_confidence":1,"start_sec":19294.13,"end_sec":19294.75,"text":"Yes.","topics_json":"[]","vector_id":"vec_seg_101612_788","created_at":"2026-10-31T08:06:38Z","speaker_name":"David L. Anderson"},{"id":"seg_101612_789","meeting_id":"101612","media_asset_id":"med_101612_222f4db39d42ac83","agenda_item_id":null,"speaker_id":"off_gerald_l_rocha_sr","speaker_confidence":1,"start_sec":19294.75,"end_sec":19296.77,"text":"I yield right now to Councilman Lewis.","topics_json":"[]","vector_id":"vec_seg_101612_789","created_at":"2026-10-31T08:06:38Z","speaker_name":"Gerald L. Rocha, Sr."},{"id":"seg_101612_79","meeting_id":"101612","media_asset_id":"med_101612_222f4db39d42ac83","agenda_item_id":null,"speaker_id":"off_roy_sudler_jr","speaker_confidence":0.95,"start_sec":2450.23,"end_sec":2466.98,"text":"So let me ask you this question. Because I know the last time that you were here, um Council President Neil had asked you to provide the application and all of the and meet the criteria, and all the necessary um questions to be answered then. And I think that you have already done that. Has am Is that correct?","topics_json":"[]","vector_id":"vec_seg_101612_79","created_at":"2026-10-31T08:06:36Z","speaker_name":"Roy Sudler, Jr."},{"id":"seg_101612_790","meeting_id":"101612","media_asset_id":"med_101612_222f4db39d42ac83","agenda_item_id":null,"speaker_id":"off_brian_e_lewis","speaker_confidence":1,"start_sec":19298.69,"end_sec":19376.29,"text":"You You can very easily shoot this motion down, but I want it on record that I am for the full investigation of 21CP to be released to the public for transparency. They paid, I believe, $50-plus thousand for this report, and I believe the citizens have a right to know. And tonight, I respect you, Mayor Christiansen. I fully respect you for agreeing with me that this report should be released.","topics_json":"[\"budget\",\"public_safety\"]","vector_id":"vec_seg_101612_790","created_at":"2026-10-31T08:06:38Z","speaker_name":"Brian E. 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The chair recognizes Councilman Rocha.","topics_json":"[]","vector_id":"vec_seg_101612_793","created_at":"2026-10-31T08:06:38Z","speaker_name":"Andre M. Boggerty"},{"id":"seg_101612_794","meeting_id":"101612","media_asset_id":"med_101612_222f4db39d42ac83","agenda_item_id":null,"speaker_id":"off_gerald_l_rocha_sr","speaker_confidence":1,"start_sec":19387.83,"end_sec":19397.93,"text":"Yeah, I I agree with Councilman Lewis and the mayor. However, we need we need another opinion from our solicitor.","topics_json":"[]","vector_id":"vec_seg_101612_794","created_at":"2026-10-31T08:06:38Z","speaker_name":"Gerald L. Rocha, Sr."},{"id":"seg_101612_795","meeting_id":"101612","media_asset_id":"med_101612_222f4db39d42ac83","agenda_item_id":null,"speaker_id":"off_david_l_anderson","speaker_confidence":1,"start_sec":19398.33,"end_sec":19404.09,"text":"Well, we He gave it to us in executive session, and if you want it in writing, he can give it in writing.","topics_json":"[]","vector_id":"vec_seg_101612_795","created_at":"2026-10-31T08:06:38Z","speaker_name":"David L. Anderson"},{"id":"seg_101612_796","meeting_id":"101612","media_asset_id":"med_101612_222f4db39d42ac83","agenda_item_id":null,"speaker_id":"off_andre_m_boggerty","speaker_confidence":1,"start_sec":19404.09,"end_sec":19406.35,"text":"Wait. Excuse me, Anderson. That Rocha still has the floor.","topics_json":"[]","vector_id":"vec_seg_101612_796","created_at":"2026-10-31T08:06:38Z","speaker_name":"Andre M. Boggerty"},{"id":"seg_101612_797","meeting_id":"101612","media_asset_id":"med_101612_222f4db39d42ac83","agenda_item_id":null,"speaker_id":"off_gerald_l_rocha_sr","speaker_confidence":1,"start_sec":19406.87,"end_sec":19409.01,"text":"Well, you gave permission to dialogue.","topics_json":"[]","vector_id":"vec_seg_101612_797","created_at":"2026-10-31T08:06:38Z","speaker_name":"Gerald L. Rocha, Sr."},{"id":"seg_101612_798","meeting_id":"101612","media_asset_id":"med_101612_222f4db39d42ac83","agenda_item_id":null,"speaker_id":"off_andre_m_boggerty","speaker_confidence":1,"start_sec":19409.01,"end_sec":19411.27,"text":"Oh, permission to dialogue. My bad. Go ahead, Rocha.","topics_json":"[]","vector_id":"vec_seg_101612_798","created_at":"2026-10-31T08:06:38Z","speaker_name":"Andre M. Boggerty"},{"id":"seg_101612_799","meeting_id":"101612","media_asset_id":"med_101612_222f4db39d42ac83","agenda_item_id":null,"speaker_id":"off_gerald_l_rocha_sr","speaker_confidence":1,"start_sec":19414.87,"end_sec":19496.41,"text":"I don't know if this resolution is going to satisfy as a as a substitute. There's not enough meat in the in the resolution for me, so I'm not in favor of moving this forward. Um, and then I think we should go back with the solicitor or have the solicitor send us an email outlining those specifics that you had said why we should not release it, or can it be redacted in some type of way, you know, those kind of things, is what what I would want to be looking for. I yield.","topics_json":"[]","vector_id":"vec_seg_101612_799","created_at":"2026-10-31T08:06:38Z","speaker_name":"Gerald L. Rocha, Sr."},{"id":"seg_101612_8","meeting_id":"101612","media_asset_id":"med_101612_222f4db39d42ac83","agenda_item_id":null,"speaker_id":"off_david_l_anderson","speaker_confidence":0.95,"start_sec":132.87,"end_sec":207.82,"text":"We have heard from a lady last night afraid of going through her fence to her home. We have heard that a lot. Eyes on. Uniformed. A year-long program with jobs available when training is over, and a new class of trainees are on the streets. There's no question in my mind that Mr. Wilson loves this city. He did a gratis cleanup, demonstrating that he can deliver what he has promised. I would think that our Public Works employees are pushed to the limit. It's time to get our streets back, and Mr. Wilson's program can help us do that, and enhance the vision and and safety. If it works in Wilmington, it can work here. Please note, alongside my signature, I have written pending available funding, I would put this program in the top of the list. Fred Neil, President, Dover City Council.\" And let the record so reflect. Now, Mr. Wilson, with that introduction, please go ahead.","topics_json":"[\"public_safety\",\"budget\",\"business\"]","vector_id":"vec_seg_101612_8","created_at":"2026-10-31T08:06:36Z","speaker_name":"David L. Anderson"},{"id":"seg_101612_80","meeting_id":"101612","media_asset_id":"med_101612_222f4db39d42ac83","agenda_item_id":null,"speaker_id":"spk_101612_unknown_speaker","speaker_confidence":0.5,"start_sec":2467.77,"end_sec":2473.36,"text":"I can did an application. I when I submitted and I'm speaking with, I'm doing business with Miss Debbie, Debbie. 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To to release the recommendations, or are we voting on, from what I heard, this this is not the resolution, this is the actual report, separate. I just uh If we could just get clarity. Um, I'm not too sure what I heard, so it's been long. It's 11:00 something at night, right? So, my bad. 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Is that what you're saying?","topics_json":"[\"budget\",\"public_safety\"]","vector_id":"vec_seg_101612_817","created_at":"2026-10-31T08:06:38Z","speaker_name":"Chavondo Smith"},{"id":"seg_101612_818","meeting_id":"101612","media_asset_id":"med_101612_222f4db39d42ac83","agenda_item_id":null,"speaker_id":"off_andre_m_boggerty","speaker_confidence":1,"start_sec":19695.15,"end_sec":19695.95,"text":"It's one of the reasons.","topics_json":"[]","vector_id":"vec_seg_101612_818","created_at":"2026-10-31T08:06:38Z","speaker_name":"Andre M. Boggerty"},{"id":"seg_101612_819","meeting_id":"101612","media_asset_id":"med_101612_222f4db39d42ac83","agenda_item_id":null,"speaker_id":"off_david_l_anderson","speaker_confidence":1,"start_sec":19695.95,"end_sec":19696.81,"text":"That's the reason.","topics_json":"[]","vector_id":"vec_seg_101612_819","created_at":"2026-10-31T08:06:38Z","speaker_name":"David L. 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You said something about the Law Enforcement Officers' Bill of Rights.","topics_json":"[\"public_safety\"]","vector_id":"vec_seg_101612_820","created_at":"2026-10-31T08:06:38Z","speaker_name":"Chavondo Smith"},{"id":"seg_101612_821","meeting_id":"101612","media_asset_id":"med_101612_222f4db39d42ac83","agenda_item_id":null,"speaker_id":"off_andre_m_boggerty","speaker_confidence":1,"start_sec":19719.45,"end_sec":19720.93,"text":"That's one of the reasons.","topics_json":"[]","vector_id":"vec_seg_101612_821","created_at":"2026-10-31T08:06:38Z","speaker_name":"Andre M. 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Boggerty"},{"id":"seg_101612_825","meeting_id":"101612","media_asset_id":"med_101612_222f4db39d42ac83","agenda_item_id":null,"speaker_id":"off_david_l_anderson","speaker_confidence":1,"start_sec":19733.73,"end_sec":19913.89,"text":"Uh, thank you very much, uh. And that's one of the reasons. Uh, the other had to do with uh let's go back to what this is. Um, this normally we don't pay for these investigations that are triggered by internal affairs. Uh, this is is really an internal affairs investigation, not a public investigation. However, what happened is we uh could not find any outside law enforcement organizations willing to do the investigation. Therefore, we had to pay for um a firm to do it, which has happened before, um but it's rare. We And there that's the only reason we paid for it. But this investigation was quite frankly triggered by the FOP and internal affairs, therefore, that's not releasable. Um, the it has to do with personnel issues, which are not releasable. Uh, and it has to do with the the latter. Now, I have uh requested, can the one part be released and the and the and the part other part be redacted? And that's something that that I expect an answer from from our our solicitor on. Um, but that that is still being uh that that still has to come back yet. And uh so this motion is, in my view, premature until we get uh that part. And and I have a belief, uh my belief is that the um the part that regarding the elected official is uh not protected. But I want to see that in I want to see that from our solicitor, and uh even though I think I know how that's going to come out, um we this is a little bit premature right now. And, of course, the mayor's release um will um will basically make that moot, uh so.","topics_json":"[\"budget\",\"public_safety\"]","vector_id":"vec_seg_101612_825","created_at":"2026-10-31T08:06:38Z","speaker_name":"David L. 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And so therefore the the recommendations are being brought forward. Uh, we've all read the report. We all we all understand stand it, and it's uh the question is do we believe the recommendations are valid or are they not valid? That's the that's the simple question there.","topics_json":"[]","vector_id":"vec_seg_101612_829","created_at":"2026-10-31T08:06:38Z","speaker_name":"David L. Anderson"},{"id":"seg_101612_83","meeting_id":"101612","media_asset_id":"med_101612_222f4db39d42ac83","agenda_item_id":null,"speaker_id":"off_roy_sudler_jr","speaker_confidence":0.95,"start_sec":2477.34,"end_sec":2524.4,"text":"Um Council President Acting Council President Anderson because I have Okay. Acting Council President Anderson, uh could you um defer that question to um the proper individual to answer that in regards to whether or not we have their application on file?","topics_json":"[]","vector_id":"vec_seg_101612_83","created_at":"2026-10-31T08:06:36Z","speaker_name":"Roy Sudler, Jr."},{"id":"seg_101612_830","meeting_id":"101612","media_asset_id":"med_101612_222f4db39d42ac83","agenda_item_id":null,"speaker_id":"off_andre_m_boggerty","speaker_confidence":1,"start_sec":19961.43,"end_sec":19968.43,"text":"Thank you, the chair Councilman Rocha, you done?","topics_json":"[]","vector_id":"vec_seg_101612_830","created_at":"2026-10-31T08:06:38Z","speaker_name":"Andre M. Boggerty"},{"id":"seg_101612_831","meeting_id":"101612","media_asset_id":"med_101612_222f4db39d42ac83","agenda_item_id":null,"speaker_id":"off_gerald_l_rocha_sr","speaker_confidence":1,"start_sec":19969.17,"end_sec":19970.05,"text":"I yield.","topics_json":"[]","vector_id":"vec_seg_101612_831","created_at":"2026-10-31T08:06:38Z","speaker_name":"Gerald L. Rocha, Sr."},{"id":"seg_101612_832","meeting_id":"101612","media_asset_id":"med_101612_222f4db39d42ac83","agenda_item_id":null,"speaker_id":"off_andre_m_boggerty","speaker_confidence":1,"start_sec":19970.77,"end_sec":19974.51,"text":"The chair recognizes Chanel Hall, and then Dr. Sudler.","topics_json":"[]","vector_id":"vec_seg_101612_832","created_at":"2026-10-31T08:06:38Z","speaker_name":"Andre M. Boggerty"},{"id":"seg_101612_833","meeting_id":"101612","media_asset_id":"med_101612_222f4db39d42ac83","agenda_item_id":null,"speaker_id":"off_andre_m_boggerty","speaker_confidence":1,"start_sec":19989.69,"end_sec":19996.11,"text":"Well, while they're getting that together, Dr. Sudler, I'll recognize you while they're working on something first.","topics_json":"[]","vector_id":"vec_seg_101612_833","created_at":"2026-10-31T08:06:38Z","speaker_name":"Andre M. Boggerty"},{"id":"seg_101612_834","meeting_id":"101612","media_asset_id":"med_101612_222f4db39d42ac83","agenda_item_id":null,"speaker_id":"off_roy_sudler_jr","speaker_confidence":1,"start_sec":19998.07,"end_sec":20054.04,"text":"Thanks for recognizing me. Um, for the record, um, I I too appreciate the mayor's willingness to be uh transparent, and I think that as we are servants of the public, that is imperative that, regardless whether uh there's a bill of a bill of rights, I think transparency and to who you serve, and constituents, being a public official, a public or appointed public official, um, you're open to public scrutiny. I've had to go through public scrutiny. Other individuals have had Other council persons have had to go through public scrutiny, whether it's in their personal life or in their professional life. I think as a public servant, when it comes to the people's especially when it comes to the people's money, that that there is no shield. Um, that's just part of the job. You know, being a public servant is not easy. You're always underneath a microscope. No one has walked on this Earth in my view other than Jesus Christ who is perfect. We all make mistakes. I made mistakes, but I think that the bottom line is for us to heal and move forward, accountability and recognizing that you made that mistake, and moving forward helps the entire city, the constituents, and the cohesiveness of council to move forward, because no one's perfect. I don't hold no grudges against anyone regardless of that report. I I, you know, whatever it is, I let the Lord deal with it. I'm not the judge and the jury. But I do believe as a public servant, you have a fiduciary duty of care to be as totally transparent as you can be. And I think that if I wasn't the chief, I would just be I would just give permission for it to be released. After all, after my superior, um, the mayor, and the mayor, you know, I I I concur and I appreciate and value your leadership on this matter and in other matters as well. And uh, you know, it takes a lot for someone to say, you know, it is what it is, I'm open to public scrutiny, and it says a lot about you. And I too, as Councilman Lewis has stated earlier, um, respect that and respect you for that and and, you know, do not be","topics_json":"[\"budget\",\"public_safety\"]","vector_id":"vec_seg_101612_834","created_at":"2026-10-31T08:06:38Z","speaker_name":"Roy Sudler, Jr."},{"id":"seg_101612_835","meeting_id":"101612","media_asset_id":"med_101612_222f4db39d42ac83","agenda_item_id":null,"speaker_id":"off_roy_sudler_jr","speaker_confidence":0.95,"start_sec":20054.04,"end_sec":20135.04,"text":"are covered when it comes to any legal ramifications from making a decision tonight. I'd rather make sure that they are covered, um, because I think it would be selfish of me if I voted on this tonight. And I do want to vote on it tonight to get it over with, because it's been lingering over head for a long time. Um, think for council, especially one that's been, you know, named, but like I said, I've already turned it over to the Lord, so I'm good with it. But the bottom line is, I think for our constituents' sake and for the city's sake, I concur with Councilwoman Arndt. And I think that, I think that it would be in the best interest of the city and our constituents to just get the legal advice, opinion first, and and defer or or, you know, come back and revisit it. But I would ask that we would come back and revisit it within have a special meeting then. We would have a special meeting which you can call within seven days, post it, and have a special meeting so that we can put this to rest, because the constituents and all parties, we need to put this to rest. All right.","topics_json":"[]","vector_id":"vec_seg_101612_835","created_at":"2026-10-31T08:06:38Z","speaker_name":"Roy Sudler, Jr."},{"id":"seg_101612_836","meeting_id":"101612","media_asset_id":"med_101612_222f4db39d42ac83","agenda_item_id":null,"speaker_id":"off_andre_m_boggerty","speaker_confidence":0.95,"start_sec":20135.04,"end_sec":20146.54,"text":"Thank you, Council. I guess the question is to Council Lewis. Um, the chair recognizes you in response to Councilman Sudler.","topics_json":"[]","vector_id":"vec_seg_101612_836","created_at":"2026-10-31T08:06:38Z","speaker_name":"Andre M. Boggerty"},{"id":"seg_101612_837","meeting_id":"101612","media_asset_id":"med_101612_222f4db39d42ac83","agenda_item_id":null,"speaker_id":"off_brian_e_lewis","speaker_confidence":0.95,"start_sec":20146.54,"end_sec":20193.54,"text":"Quite frankly, this has been festering too long. Uh, there's been articles in the newspapers, uh, letters in the newspapers from constituents. Um, I I think we need to make a decision. And like I said, you could very easily shoot me down, but I'm a clean-hands person, and I believe that the report should be released to the public. They paid for it. They paid $50-plus-thousand for this report. Taxpayer dollars. I The mayor even agrees with me. The mayor even agreed with me. That the report should be released for full transparency. So I call the question.","topics_json":"[\"taxes\",\"budget\"]","vector_id":"vec_seg_101612_837","created_at":"2026-10-31T08:06:38Z","speaker_name":"Brian E. Lewis"},{"id":"seg_101612_838","meeting_id":"101612","media_asset_id":"med_101612_222f4db39d42ac83","agenda_item_id":null,"speaker_id":"off_andre_m_boggerty","speaker_confidence":0.95,"start_sec":20193.54,"end_sec":20212.54,"text":"All right. There's um The The call the question has been properly moved and seconded. Are you ready for the question? And the question, again, is to release the full report at this time. All those in favor signify by saying aye.","topics_json":"[]","vector_id":"vec_seg_101612_838","created_at":"2026-10-31T08:06:38Z","speaker_name":"Andre M. 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Take her job, you know? It's 8 cents, 11 cents more.","topics_json":"[]","vector_id":"vec_seg_101612_848","created_at":"2026-10-31T08:06:38Z","speaker_name":"Andre M. Boggerty"},{"id":"seg_101612_849","meeting_id":"101612","media_asset_id":"med_101612_222f4db39d42ac83","agenda_item_id":null,"speaker_id":"spk_101612_city_clerk","speaker_confidence":0.95,"start_sec":20257.54,"end_sec":20259.54,"text":"Miss Arndt?","topics_json":"[]","vector_id":"vec_seg_101612_849","created_at":"2026-10-31T08:06:38Z","speaker_name":null},{"id":"seg_101612_85","meeting_id":"101612","media_asset_id":"med_101612_222f4db39d42ac83","agenda_item_id":null,"speaker_id":"spk_101612_sharon_duca","speaker_confidence":0.95,"start_sec":2542.75,"end_sec":2557.1,"text":"The only application I'm aware of is the one that's in the packet for the economic development funds. But I would like to know that uh those funds that application was closed in June by council, so it would need to be brought back in order to consider anyone for it.","topics_json":"[\"budget\"]","vector_id":"vec_seg_101612_85","created_at":"2026-10-31T08:06:36Z","speaker_name":"Sharon Duca"},{"id":"seg_101612_850","meeting_id":"101612","media_asset_id":"med_101612_222f4db39d42ac83","agenda_item_id":null,"speaker_id":"off_tricia_k_arndt","speaker_confidence":0.95,"start_sec":20259.54,"end_sec":20262.04,"text":"No, on the advice of the solicitor.","topics_json":"[]","vector_id":"vec_seg_101612_850","created_at":"2026-10-31T08:06:38Z","speaker_name":"Tricia K. 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Rocha, Sr."},{"id":"seg_101612_853","meeting_id":"101612","media_asset_id":"med_101612_222f4db39d42ac83","agenda_item_id":null,"speaker_id":"spk_101612_city_clerk","speaker_confidence":0.95,"start_sec":20271.54,"end_sec":20274.04,"text":"Dr. Sudler?","topics_json":"[]","vector_id":"vec_seg_101612_853","created_at":"2026-10-31T08:06:38Z","speaker_name":null},{"id":"seg_101612_854","meeting_id":"101612","media_asset_id":"med_101612_222f4db39d42ac83","agenda_item_id":null,"speaker_id":"off_roy_sudler_jr","speaker_confidence":0.95,"start_sec":20277.54,"end_sec":20287.04,"text":"I want to say yes, but I'm I I have to say no because it's bigger than me. 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And we'll also know that the that the motion um did not apply to the applications that were currently being considered, only new ones. Just to just just to know that. Uh so And that was done so not to interfere with the existing application. Um yes. Uh","topics_json":"[\"budget\"]","vector_id":"vec_seg_101612_86","created_at":"2026-10-31T08:06:36Z","speaker_name":"David L. Anderson"},{"id":"seg_101612_860","meeting_id":"101612","media_asset_id":"med_101612_222f4db39d42ac83","agenda_item_id":null,"speaker_id":"spk_101612_michael_garfinkel","speaker_confidence":0.9,"start_sec":20312.54,"end_sec":20326.04,"text":"I'm going to have to vote no... due to the outstanding legal questions that have come up. Not to beat a dead horse, but I'm voting no right now.","topics_json":"[]","vector_id":"vec_seg_101612_860","created_at":"2026-10-31T08:06:38Z","speaker_name":"Michael Garfinkel"},{"id":"seg_101612_861","meeting_id":"101612","media_asset_id":"med_101612_222f4db39d42ac83","agenda_item_id":null,"speaker_id":"spk_101612_city_clerk","speaker_confidence":0.95,"start_sec":20326.04,"end_sec":20328.04,"text":"Mr. Boggerty?","topics_json":"[]","vector_id":"vec_seg_101612_861","created_at":"2026-10-31T08:06:38Z","speaker_name":null},{"id":"seg_101612_862","meeting_id":"101612","media_asset_id":"med_101612_222f4db39d42ac83","agenda_item_id":null,"speaker_id":"off_andre_m_boggerty","speaker_confidence":0.95,"start_sec":20328.04,"end_sec":20356.04,"text":"Um, I know only due to legalities, and uh, and I want to know um, exactly what Chief Johnson Chief Chief is represented by an attorney, so I don't want to I want to make sure that we have legal opinions. It's just that could come up in the future in the future. We've got to save taxpayer money. 150,000, we can't afford that.","topics_json":"[\"taxes\",\"budget\"]","vector_id":"vec_seg_101612_862","created_at":"2026-10-31T08:06:38Z","speaker_name":"Andre M. 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Boggerty"},{"id":"seg_101612_865","meeting_id":"101612","media_asset_id":"med_101612_222f4db39d42ac83","agenda_item_id":null,"speaker_id":"off_tricia_k_arndt","speaker_confidence":0.95,"start_sec":20373.54,"end_sec":20378.04,"text":"I make a motion to table Resolution 2026-12.","topics_json":"[]","vector_id":"vec_seg_101612_865","created_at":"2026-10-31T08:06:38Z","speaker_name":"Tricia K. Arndt"},{"id":"seg_101612_866","meeting_id":"101612","media_asset_id":"med_101612_222f4db39d42ac83","agenda_item_id":null,"speaker_id":"off_andre_m_boggerty","speaker_confidence":0.95,"start_sec":20378.04,"end_sec":20379.54,"text":"Motion second?","topics_json":"[]","vector_id":"vec_seg_101612_866","created_at":"2026-10-31T08:06:38Z","speaker_name":"Andre M. Boggerty"},{"id":"seg_101612_867","meeting_id":"101612","media_asset_id":"med_101612_222f4db39d42ac83","agenda_item_id":null,"speaker_id":"off_brian_e_lewis","speaker_confidence":0.85,"start_sec":20379.54,"end_sec":20380.54,"text":"Second.","topics_json":"[]","vector_id":"vec_seg_101612_867","created_at":"2026-10-31T08:06:38Z","speaker_name":"Brian E. Lewis"},{"id":"seg_101612_868","meeting_id":"101612","media_asset_id":"med_101612_222f4db39d42ac83","agenda_item_id":null,"speaker_id":"off_andre_m_boggerty","speaker_confidence":0.95,"start_sec":20380.54,"end_sec":20385.54,"text":"Properly moved and seconded. Um, I'll move for this. Are you ready for the question?","topics_json":"[]","vector_id":"vec_seg_101612_868","created_at":"2026-10-31T08:06:38Z","speaker_name":"Andre M. Boggerty"},{"id":"seg_101612_869","meeting_id":"101612","media_asset_id":"med_101612_222f4db39d42ac83","agenda_item_id":null,"speaker_id":"off_brian_e_lewis","speaker_confidence":0.85,"start_sec":20385.54,"end_sec":20387.54,"text":"Call the question.","topics_json":"[]","vector_id":"vec_seg_101612_869","created_at":"2026-10-31T08:06:38Z","speaker_name":"Brian E. Lewis"},{"id":"seg_101612_87","meeting_id":"101612","media_asset_id":"med_101612_222f4db39d42ac83","agenda_item_id":null,"speaker_id":"off_roy_sudler_jr","speaker_confidence":0.95,"start_sec":2606.56,"end_sec":2692.7,"text":"Thank you for I may continue. Um Acting Council President, I would like to stay for the record uh that I've heard uh all that I need to hear, and I support this initiative because like uh Mr. Wilson said, this is the third time uh that he's been here, if not the fourth. And I was under impression that we were voting tonight um based on the previous time he was here when Council President Neil had stated, \"Hey Mr. Wilson, get everything you need to give to us um and we'll be ready.\" Well, I'm not using exact words, \"We'll be ready to proceed.\" But it implied that that's all he needed to do, and the next step, or the next time he came in front of us, we was going to vote on this. So I was I'm ready to move for the record. You have my support, and if we won't If we don't vote tonight, it won't be because I'm not in support of voting tonight and supporting your initiative. Um this is the third time, I don't I don't know how much more that we need to hear from you uh to get the money, so um I support you. I yield.","topics_json":"[\"budget\"]","vector_id":"vec_seg_101612_87","created_at":"2026-10-31T08:06:36Z","speaker_name":"Roy Sudler, Jr."},{"id":"seg_101612_870","meeting_id":"101612","media_asset_id":"med_101612_222f4db39d42ac83","agenda_item_id":null,"speaker_id":"off_andre_m_boggerty","speaker_confidence":0.95,"start_sec":20387.54,"end_sec":20396.54,"text":"Call the question. Thank you. All right. Are you ready for the question? All those in favor signify by saying aye.","topics_json":"[]","vector_id":"vec_seg_101612_870","created_at":"2026-10-31T08:06:38Z","speaker_name":"Andre M. Boggerty"},{"id":"seg_101612_871","meeting_id":"101612","media_asset_id":"med_101612_222f4db39d42ac83","agenda_item_id":null,"speaker_id":"off_brian_e_lewis","speaker_confidence":0.9,"start_sec":20396.54,"end_sec":20399.04,"text":"Aye. Aye.","topics_json":"[]","vector_id":"vec_seg_101612_871","created_at":"2026-10-31T08:06:38Z","speaker_name":"Brian E. Lewis"},{"id":"seg_101612_872","meeting_id":"101612","media_asset_id":"med_101612_222f4db39d42ac83","agenda_item_id":null,"speaker_id":"off_andre_m_boggerty","speaker_confidence":0.95,"start_sec":20399.04,"end_sec":20410.54,"text":"Like to set... the motion carries. And so so it'll be tabled. That... That's it. Now I'll turn this back over to you.","topics_json":"[]","vector_id":"vec_seg_101612_872","created_at":"2026-10-31T08:06:38Z","speaker_name":"Andre M. Boggerty"},{"id":"seg_101612_873","meeting_id":"101612","media_asset_id":"med_101612_222f4db39d42ac83","agenda_item_id":null,"speaker_id":"off_robin_r_christiansen","speaker_confidence":0.95,"start_sec":20410.54,"end_sec":20411.54,"text":"Thank you.","topics_json":"[]","vector_id":"vec_seg_101612_873","created_at":"2026-10-31T08:06:38Z","speaker_name":"Robin R. Christiansen"},{"id":"seg_101612_874","meeting_id":"101612","media_asset_id":"med_101612_222f4db39d42ac83","agenda_item_id":null,"speaker_id":"off_andre_m_boggerty","speaker_confidence":0.95,"start_sec":20411.54,"end_sec":20415.04,"text":"All right. You said be up at 9:45.","topics_json":"[]","vector_id":"vec_seg_101612_874","created_at":"2026-10-31T08:06:38Z","speaker_name":"Andre M. Boggerty"},{"id":"seg_101612_875","meeting_id":"101612","media_asset_id":"med_101612_222f4db39d42ac83","agenda_item_id":null,"speaker_id":"off_robin_r_christiansen","speaker_confidence":0.95,"start_sec":20415.04,"end_sec":20433.54,"text":"Uh, thank you very much, uh, Chairman. Now for the easy ones. The good news where people give us money. Uh, that brings us to item three, Community Riverwalk Assessment Grant, Mr. Jason Lyon, Assistant City Manager.","topics_json":"[\"budget\"]","vector_id":"vec_seg_101612_875","created_at":"2026-10-31T08:06:38Z","speaker_name":"Robin R. Christiansen"},{"id":"seg_101612_876","meeting_id":"101612","media_asset_id":"med_101612_222f4db39d42ac83","agenda_item_id":null,"speaker_id":"spk_101612_jason_lyon","speaker_confidence":0.95,"start_sec":20440.04,"end_sec":20447.04,"text":"Councilman Hare. I will I will defer to any questions at this point. I'm sure you all read the packet. It's one page here. I'd be happy to answer any questions.","topics_json":"[]","vector_id":"vec_seg_101612_876","created_at":"2026-10-31T08:06:38Z","speaker_name":"Jason Lyon"},{"id":"seg_101612_877","meeting_id":"101612","media_asset_id":"med_101612_222f4db39d42ac83","agenda_item_id":null,"speaker_id":"off_robin_r_christiansen","speaker_confidence":0.95,"start_sec":20447.04,"end_sec":20450.04,"text":"All right. Rec- Recognize Councilman Boggerty.","topics_json":"[]","vector_id":"vec_seg_101612_877","created_at":"2026-10-31T08:06:38Z","speaker_name":"Robin R. Christiansen"},{"id":"seg_101612_878","meeting_id":"101612","media_asset_id":"med_101612_222f4db39d42ac83","agenda_item_id":null,"speaker_id":"off_andre_m_boggerty","speaker_confidence":0.95,"start_sec":20450.04,"end_sec":20465.54,"text":"In the spirit of my of my late colleague, Councilman Hare, um, I move for staff recommendation to authorize the city manager to enter into an agreement with the Downtown Development Partnership for allocation of the of the Chesapeake Grant funding.","topics_json":"[\"budget\",\"business\"]","vector_id":"vec_seg_101612_878","created_at":"2026-10-31T08:06:38Z","speaker_name":"Andre M. Boggerty"},{"id":"seg_101612_879","meeting_id":"101612","media_asset_id":"med_101612_222f4db39d42ac83","agenda_item_id":null,"speaker_id":"off_robin_r_christiansen","speaker_confidence":0.95,"start_sec":20465.54,"end_sec":20483.04,"text":"Motion seconded? Sounded like Mr. Shevock seconded it, or Councilman Rocha? Actually I heard it over there first, but it doesn't matter. I'll let I'll let them figure it out in the minutes. All right, is there um, is there is there a discussion? Uh, Councilman Lewis.","topics_json":"[]","vector_id":"vec_seg_101612_879","created_at":"2026-10-31T08:06:38Z","speaker_name":"Robin R. Christiansen"},{"id":"seg_101612_88","meeting_id":"101612","media_asset_id":"med_101612_222f4db39d42ac83","agenda_item_id":null,"speaker_id":"off_david_l_anderson","speaker_confidence":0.95,"start_sec":2694.29,"end_sec":2696.68,"text":"The uh Councilman Rocha, you're recognized.","topics_json":"[]","vector_id":"vec_seg_101612_88","created_at":"2026-10-31T08:06:36Z","speaker_name":"David L. Anderson"},{"id":"seg_101612_880","meeting_id":"101612","media_asset_id":"med_101612_222f4db39d42ac83","agenda_item_id":null,"speaker_id":"off_brian_e_lewis","speaker_confidence":0.95,"start_sec":20485.04,"end_sec":20497.04,"text":"Yes. Mr. Mr. Lyon, um, is there anyone currently cleaning up the area through federal assistance like the EPA or DNREC?","topics_json":"[]","vector_id":"vec_seg_101612_880","created_at":"2026-10-31T08:06:38Z","speaker_name":"Brian E. Lewis"},{"id":"seg_101612_881","meeting_id":"101612","media_asset_id":"med_101612_222f4db39d42ac83","agenda_item_id":null,"speaker_id":"spk_101612_jason_lyon","speaker_confidence":0.95,"start_sec":20497.04,"end_sec":20505.54,"text":"Uh, we are not uh, permitted to receive EPA funding for the clean of the site since we were the ones that caused the contamination.","topics_json":"[]","vector_id":"vec_seg_101612_881","created_at":"2026-10-31T08:06:38Z","speaker_name":"Jason Lyon"},{"id":"seg_101612_882","meeting_id":"101612","media_asset_id":"med_101612_222f4db39d42ac83","agenda_item_id":null,"speaker_id":"off_brian_e_lewis","speaker_confidence":0.95,"start_sec":20505.54,"end_sec":20508.04,"text":"The city caused the contamination?","topics_json":"[]","vector_id":"vec_seg_101612_882","created_at":"2026-10-31T08:06:38Z","speaker_name":"Brian E. Lewis"},{"id":"seg_101612_883","meeting_id":"101612","media_asset_id":"med_101612_222f4db39d42ac83","agenda_item_id":null,"speaker_id":"spk_101612_jason_lyon","speaker_confidence":0.95,"start_sec":20508.04,"end_sec":20511.04,"text":"Correct. We were the owners of that.","topics_json":"[]","vector_id":"vec_seg_101612_883","created_at":"2026-10-31T08:06:38Z","speaker_name":"Jason Lyon"},{"id":"seg_101612_884","meeting_id":"101612","media_asset_id":"med_101612_222f4db39d42ac83","agenda_item_id":null,"speaker_id":"off_brian_e_lewis","speaker_confidence":0.95,"start_sec":20511.04,"end_sec":20523.54,"text":"Okay. Um, isn't the caveat though with this proposal that the city once again will be giving away land to Downtown Partnership if they give us grant money?","topics_json":"[\"business\"]","vector_id":"vec_seg_101612_884","created_at":"2026-10-31T08:06:38Z","speaker_name":"Brian E. Lewis"},{"id":"seg_101612_885","meeting_id":"101612","media_asset_id":"med_101612_222f4db39d42ac83","agenda_item_id":null,"speaker_id":"spk_101612_jason_lyon","speaker_confidence":0.95,"start_sec":20523.54,"end_sec":20554.04,"text":"No. Th- this this specific proposal is for two items. Uh, Dover Downtown Partnership received a multipurpose grant, and within the within the grant confines, they're allowed to perform the the two items that are shown on this one page. Uh, one is a a building assessment and abatement, and the other is a conceptual plan for long-term for long-term use. But we are not giving any land away to Downtown Dover Partnership with this proposal.","topics_json":"[\"business\"]","vector_id":"vec_seg_101612_885","created_at":"2026-10-31T08:06:38Z","speaker_name":"Jason Lyon"},{"id":"seg_101612_886","meeting_id":"101612","media_asset_id":"med_101612_222f4db39d42ac83","agenda_item_id":null,"speaker_id":"off_brian_e_lewis","speaker_confidence":0.95,"start_sec":20554.04,"end_sec":20558.54,"text":"Okay, I just wanted to make sure on that. That's all I have. Thank you.","topics_json":"[]","vector_id":"vec_seg_101612_886","created_at":"2026-10-31T08:06:38Z","speaker_name":"Brian E. Lewis"},{"id":"seg_101612_887","meeting_id":"101612","media_asset_id":"med_101612_222f4db39d42ac83","agenda_item_id":null,"speaker_id":"off_robin_r_christiansen","speaker_confidence":0.95,"start_sec":20558.54,"end_sec":20586,"text":"Thank you. Any other discussion? All in favor? Any opposed? Motion adopted. And is there any other business for the Legislative, Finance, and Administration Committee? Uh, there is none. It stands adjourned. Is there any other business for the Council Committee of the Whole? Seeing none, adjourned.","topics_json":"[]","vector_id":"vec_seg_101612_887","created_at":"2026-10-31T08:06:38Z","speaker_name":"Robin R. Christiansen"},{"id":"seg_101612_89","meeting_id":"101612","media_asset_id":"med_101612_222f4db39d42ac83","agenda_item_id":null,"speaker_id":"off_gerald_l_rocha_sr","speaker_confidence":0.95,"start_sec":2697.48,"end_sec":2704.66,"text":"Yeah. I agree with what Dr. Sudler said, but uh how come this wasn't put on the legislation just support that You know what I mean?","topics_json":"[]","vector_id":"vec_seg_101612_89","created_at":"2026-10-31T08:06:36Z","speaker_name":"Gerald L. Rocha, Sr."},{"id":"seg_101612_9","meeting_id":"101612","media_asset_id":"med_101612_222f4db39d42ac83","agenda_item_id":null,"speaker_id":"spk_101612_bobby_wilson","speaker_confidence":0.95,"start_sec":207.82,"end_sec":326.76,"text":"Good evening. Good evening, my name is Bobby Wilson, 32 West Loockerman Street, Suite 101 B, D, excuse me. Um, bear with me because my spokesperson, she called out sick today. And, um, I'm here with you. I'm a promoter by trade, so I'm in the background. I'm not on stage. So, with that being said, I come to you tonight to speak to you about Booted & Suited and and thank you Council for inviting me back. This is my I think it's my third time here speaking on the same behalf. And since then, Booted & Suited has moved forward in some of the activities that we have planned. And one of the activities that we have planned is to have facilities to run a program, which we have on Loockerman Street, which is the office where the program will be ran from, far as the classroom setting. The students will come into the program on Loockerman Street and have an eight-week class setting, and the first three weeks will be soft skills, where they will learn how to be on the job on time, respect your coworker, respect the job site, and respect your employer.","topics_json":"[\"business\"]","vector_id":"vec_seg_101612_9","created_at":"2026-10-31T08:06:36Z","speaker_name":"Bobby Wilson"},{"id":"seg_101612_90","meeting_id":"101612","media_asset_id":"med_101612_222f4db39d42ac83","agenda_item_id":null,"speaker_id":"off_david_l_anderson","speaker_confidence":0.95,"start_sec":2705.46,"end_sec":2766.87,"text":"Yes. I um it It was not It was not I was not asked about this being on the legislation. Um it it may be because we are considering a uh a supplemental budget in October. Um and just just going to let you know that. Okay. So that may be um part of the uh the reasoning to to see if this uh goes and is uh referred to be part of that. Um","topics_json":"[\"budget\"]","vector_id":"vec_seg_101612_90","created_at":"2026-10-31T08:06:36Z","speaker_name":"David L. Anderson"},{"id":"seg_101612_91","meeting_id":"101612","media_asset_id":"med_101612_222f4db39d42ac83","agenda_item_id":null,"speaker_id":"off_gerald_l_rocha_sr","speaker_confidence":0.95,"start_sec":2766.87,"end_sec":2767.67,"text":"I yield.","topics_json":"[]","vector_id":"vec_seg_101612_91","created_at":"2026-10-31T08:06:36Z","speaker_name":"Gerald L. Rocha, Sr."},{"id":"seg_101612_92","meeting_id":"101612","media_asset_id":"med_101612_222f4db39d42ac83","agenda_item_id":null,"speaker_id":"off_david_l_anderson","speaker_confidence":0.95,"start_sec":2768.47,"end_sec":2772.46,"text":"Councilman Boggerty, and then Councilman Lewis. And then the our mayor.","topics_json":"[]","vector_id":"vec_seg_101612_92","created_at":"2026-10-31T08:06:36Z","speaker_name":"David L. Anderson"},{"id":"seg_101612_93","meeting_id":"101612","media_asset_id":"med_101612_222f4db39d42ac83","agenda_item_id":null,"speaker_id":"off_andre_m_boggerty","speaker_confidence":0.95,"start_sec":2770.06,"end_sec":2770.86,"text":"Yes. Thank you, Acting Council President.","topics_json":"[]","vector_id":"vec_seg_101612_93","created_at":"2026-10-31T08:06:36Z","speaker_name":"Andre M. Boggerty"},{"id":"seg_101612_94","meeting_id":"101612","media_asset_id":"med_101612_222f4db39d42ac83","agenda_item_id":null,"speaker_id":"off_andre_m_boggerty","speaker_confidence":0.95,"start_sec":2773.25,"end_sec":2872.16,"text":"Uh, I would just like, um, kind of a a question that can help, I don't know, right now uh, agreeing with with um my colleagues to the left of me. 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So that way, we won't have to look for additional funding per se, because just, you know, because of the funds that may or may not exist in the CDBG CDBG now or in the future. So, in short, would it be a simple path I get it, you know, you're keep coming back, I get it, and where I I don't want you to have to do that, but for for It looks like it's something that's going to happen and it may not happen tonight, but could we just ask him to apply for the CDBG, so it so that would be the easier path?","topics_json":"[\"budget\"]","vector_id":"vec_seg_101612_94","created_at":"2026-10-31T08:06:36Z","speaker_name":"Andre M. Boggerty"},{"id":"seg_101612_95","meeting_id":"101612","media_asset_id":"med_101612_222f4db39d42ac83","agenda_item_id":null,"speaker_id":"off_david_l_anderson","speaker_confidence":0.95,"start_sec":2853.81,"end_sec":2871.36,"text":"Uh the um I with the CDBG, uh once that application goes through, it then has to be reviewed, scored, and then come back to Parks, Recreation, Community Enhancement for a vote of approval, and then go to So so it still has to come back through a path.","topics_json":"[\"budget\"]","vector_id":"vec_seg_101612_95","created_at":"2026-10-31T08:06:36Z","speaker_name":"David L. Anderson"},{"id":"seg_101612_96","meeting_id":"101612","media_asset_id":"med_101612_222f4db39d42ac83","agenda_item_id":null,"speaker_id":"off_andre_m_boggerty","speaker_confidence":0.95,"start_sec":2872.16,"end_sec":2873.75,"text":"So both paths will have to come back. Correct?","topics_json":"[]","vector_id":"vec_seg_101612_96","created_at":"2026-10-31T08:06:36Z","speaker_name":"Andre M. Boggerty"},{"id":"seg_101612_97","meeting_id":"101612","media_asset_id":"med_101612_222f4db39d42ac83","agenda_item_id":null,"speaker_id":"off_david_l_anderson","speaker_confidence":0.95,"start_sec":2873.75,"end_sec":2873.75,"text":"Correct.","topics_json":"[]","vector_id":"vec_seg_101612_97","created_at":"2026-10-31T08:06:36Z","speaker_name":"David L. Anderson"},{"id":"seg_101612_98","meeting_id":"101612","media_asset_id":"med_101612_222f4db39d42ac83","agenda_item_id":null,"speaker_id":"off_andre_m_boggerty","speaker_confidence":0.95,"start_sec":2874.55,"end_sec":2883.32,"text":"So, but my, but, but now with the CDBG, there's not as much question of budget because the money would probably be that the money could potentially be there.","topics_json":"[\"budget\"]","vector_id":"vec_seg_101612_98","created_at":"2026-10-31T08:06:36Z","speaker_name":"Andre M. Boggerty"},{"id":"seg_101612_99","meeting_id":"101612","media_asset_id":"med_101612_222f4db39d42ac83","agenda_item_id":null,"speaker_id":"off_david_l_anderson","speaker_confidence":0.95,"start_sec":2884.12,"end_sec":2894.49,"text":"I don't know if money exists for that at the moment, but we'll we'll find out when the CDBG CDBG manager um comes stuff for later. Um and","topics_json":"[\"budget\"]","vector_id":"vec_seg_101612_99","created_at":"2026-10-31T08:06:36Z","speaker_name":"David L. Anderson"},{"id":"seg_101659_1","meeting_id":"101659","media_asset_id":"med_101659_c3dbf49729604034","agenda_item_id":null,"speaker_id":"off_david_l_anderson","speaker_confidence":1,"start_sec":0,"end_sec":28.53,"text":"Okay. Uh, so let's uh, we are, we got notification from our, that our, uh, early this, this morning that our, we will not have a guest because uh, that, something's came up, which is fine, but that allows us to um, so we to uh, talk about our goals and community engagement. So let's uh, so because of that, I would ask","topics_json":"[]","vector_id":"vec_seg_101659_1","created_at":"2026-10-31T08:06:01Z","speaker_name":"David L. Anderson"},{"id":"seg_101659_10","meeting_id":"101659","media_asset_id":"med_101659_c3dbf49729604034","agenda_item_id":null,"speaker_id":"off_david_l_anderson","speaker_confidence":1,"start_sec":560,"end_sec":612.35,"text":"Uh let's uh let's test to make sure Councilman Lewis is on. Could you uh put the minutes up for him, please, so he can see them? I want to make sure he sees the minutes. Thank you. Now, without him, we don't have a quorum. Uh, we need uh to be apprised of everything.","topics_json":"[]","vector_id":"vec_seg_101659_10","created_at":"2026-10-31T08:06:01Z","speaker_name":"David L. Anderson"},{"id":"seg_101659_100","meeting_id":"101659","media_asset_id":"med_101659_c3dbf49729604034","agenda_item_id":null,"speaker_id":"off_david_l_anderson","speaker_confidence":0.9,"start_sec":1806.68,"end_sec":1809.38,"text":"Yeah. We We can be pretty In fact,","topics_json":"[]","vector_id":"vec_seg_101659_100","created_at":"2026-10-31T08:06:01Z","speaker_name":"David L. Anderson"},{"id":"seg_101659_101","meeting_id":"101659","media_asset_id":"med_101659_c3dbf49729604034","agenda_item_id":null,"speaker_id":"spk_101659_unknown_speaker","speaker_confidence":0.7,"start_sec":1809.38,"end_sec":1811.38,"text":"Just another tool in the tool box.","topics_json":"[]","vector_id":"vec_seg_101659_101","created_at":"2026-10-31T08:06:01Z","speaker_name":null},{"id":"seg_101659_102","meeting_id":"101659","media_asset_id":"med_101659_c3dbf49729604034","agenda_item_id":null,"speaker_id":"off_david_l_anderson","speaker_confidence":0.9,"start_sec":1811.38,"end_sec":1812.38,"text":"Huh?","topics_json":"[]","vector_id":"vec_seg_101659_102","created_at":"2026-10-31T08:06:01Z","speaker_name":"David L. Anderson"},{"id":"seg_101659_103","meeting_id":"101659","media_asset_id":"med_101659_c3dbf49729604034","agenda_item_id":null,"speaker_id":"spk_101659_unknown_speaker","speaker_confidence":0.7,"start_sec":1812.38,"end_sec":1817.78,"text":"60 minutes public comment. That's what If it's a full room, that's what they do at Legislative Hall. Right.","topics_json":"[]","vector_id":"vec_seg_101659_103","created_at":"2026-10-31T08:06:01Z","speaker_name":null},{"id":"seg_101659_104","meeting_id":"101659","media_asset_id":"med_101659_c3dbf49729604034","agenda_item_id":null,"speaker_id":"spk_101659_unknown_speaker","speaker_confidence":0.7,"start_sec":1817.78,"end_sec":1822.68,"text":"60 minutes. I mean 60 seconds.","topics_json":"[]","vector_id":"vec_seg_101659_104","created_at":"2026-10-31T08:06:01Z","speaker_name":null},{"id":"seg_101659_105","meeting_id":"101659","media_asset_id":"med_101659_c3dbf49729604034","agenda_item_id":null,"speaker_id":"off_david_l_anderson","speaker_confidence":0.9,"start_sec":1822.68,"end_sec":1823.88,"text":"Excuse me.","topics_json":"[]","vector_id":"vec_seg_101659_105","created_at":"2026-10-31T08:06:01Z","speaker_name":"David L. Anderson"},{"id":"seg_101659_106","meeting_id":"101659","media_asset_id":"med_101659_c3dbf49729604034","agenda_item_id":null,"speaker_id":"spk_101659_unknown_speaker","speaker_confidence":0.7,"start_sec":1823.88,"end_sec":1825.38,"text":"You know what I mean. Oh, no. I I thought you meant I thought you meant like","topics_json":"[]","vector_id":"vec_seg_101659_106","created_at":"2026-10-31T08:06:01Z","speaker_name":null},{"id":"seg_101659_107","meeting_id":"101659","media_asset_id":"med_101659_c3dbf49729604034","agenda_item_id":null,"speaker_id":"off_david_l_anderson","speaker_confidence":0.9,"start_sec":1825.38,"end_sec":1828.68,"text":"Oh, no. I I thought you meant I thought you meant like limit them, limit the town hall to","topics_json":"[]","vector_id":"vec_seg_101659_107","created_at":"2026-10-31T08:06:01Z","speaker_name":"David L. Anderson"},{"id":"seg_101659_108","meeting_id":"101659","media_asset_id":"med_101659_c3dbf49729604034","agenda_item_id":null,"speaker_id":"spk_101659_unknown_speaker","speaker_confidence":0.7,"start_sec":1828.68,"end_sec":1830.78,"text":"Yeah. 60 seconds. Yeah, not the town","topics_json":"[]","vector_id":"vec_seg_101659_108","created_at":"2026-10-31T08:06:01Z","speaker_name":null},{"id":"seg_101659_109","meeting_id":"101659","media_asset_id":"med_101659_c3dbf49729604034","agenda_item_id":null,"speaker_id":"off_david_l_anderson","speaker_confidence":0.9,"start_sec":1830.78,"end_sec":1834.18,"text":"not the town hall, but the public comments to 60 minutes regardless of how many people are there.","topics_json":"[]","vector_id":"vec_seg_101659_109","created_at":"2026-10-31T08:06:01Z","speaker_name":"David L. Anderson"},{"id":"seg_101659_11","meeting_id":"101659","media_asset_id":"med_101659_c3dbf49729604034","agenda_item_id":null,"speaker_id":"off_david_l_anderson","speaker_confidence":1,"start_sec":612.35,"end_sec":747.03,"text":"Just for informational purposes, uh the the process, once this committee comes up with a uh a recommendation, uh that recommendation, this is basically a a subcommittee of Legislative, Finance, and Administration. So, it will report back to to Legislative, Finance, and Administration, which will then make whatever the final decision is, and whatever the structure, and then that will go to the council, which then makes is uh their decision, and then it will go to the legislature, which will make its decision. So, uh that that just gives you the process, so you know um you know, what the line that it that it goes to. So, obviously, what work done by this committee is probably the most important, because everything else will be based upon it. So, thank you for your time. It's time well spent. Let's see here. Yeah. We'll keep on reading. Once you're once you're ready, uh we'll take we'll take a motion to approve, and then we'll uh we'll have any discussion upon that.","topics_json":"[]","vector_id":"vec_seg_101659_11","created_at":"2026-10-31T08:06:01Z","speaker_name":"David L. 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But I think that's just that's very important to get them in on everything that's going on. I know it's difficult to get people to actually, um, you know, get involved. And we can't make anybody get involved, but I just want to make sure that we do our due diligence to try to make sure everybody Yeah.","topics_json":"[]","vector_id":"vec_seg_101659_112","created_at":"2026-10-31T08:06:01Z","speaker_name":null},{"id":"seg_101659_113","meeting_id":"101659","media_asset_id":"med_101659_c3dbf49729604034","agenda_item_id":null,"speaker_id":"off_david_l_anderson","speaker_confidence":0.9,"start_sec":1896.08,"end_sec":1958.28,"text":"Agreed, and uh one of the good things about if we get the court that we want to get, based upon those goals, the the commu- it will improve the quality of life most of the marginalized communities, and uh and but it will affect favorably the whole city, the whole city will be improved because you're going to basically have a you're going to have a functioning, prosperous, peaceful city again. And uh that over the long run, and won't be instant, but but you will have that again and that will be benefit everybody: jobs, best way quality of life, people getting the help they actually need instead of it's yeah, it it will instead of essentially either being uh catch and release and ignore, or having uh or then when they're finally not ignored, uh uh having the boom fall on them, you know, and and being crushed by the system. You know, it it's like we go to the two extremes. Mhm. And there has to be something in between. There has to be something that all has accountability, but also redemption as a goal. In my view. And that's","topics_json":"[]","vector_id":"vec_seg_101659_113","created_at":"2026-10-31T08:06:01Z","speaker_name":"David L. 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The question is, can we achieve that, and that we'll find figure out in the next couple of months. Um, let's uh let's see. That takes community engagement strategy. That takes us to the end of our agenda. Uh, I want to hear if anyone has any final thoughts before we adjourn. Dr. Hall?","topics_json":"[]","vector_id":"vec_seg_101659_115","created_at":"2026-10-31T08:06:01Z","speaker_name":"David L. Anderson"},{"id":"seg_101659_116","meeting_id":"101659","media_asset_id":"med_101659_c3dbf49729604034","agenda_item_id":null,"speaker_id":"spk_101659_unknown_speaker","speaker_confidence":0.7,"start_sec":2006.68,"end_sec":2046.08,"text":"Yeah, just going back to the previous If assuming we can get it approved and bring it through the council then we're we're hoping uh obviously would it the cross issue there to uh have some uh lobbyists and influencers go on to the next stage. Mhm. Whether they be the council members themselves or community members, the members here, or others that you know, can help do that uh to take it to the next level. Yeah. It would be frustrating to get it approved and then have it, you know, uh uh either uh obfuscated or ignored at the next levels. So, we want to Agree. keep Charter","topics_json":"[]","vector_id":"vec_seg_101659_116","created_at":"2026-10-31T08:06:01Z","speaker_name":null},{"id":"seg_101659_117","meeting_id":"101659","media_asset_id":"med_101659_c3dbf49729604034","agenda_item_id":null,"speaker_id":"off_david_l_anderson","speaker_confidence":0.9,"start_sec":2046.08,"end_sec":2060.48,"text":"Charter changes are are Let's be honest, charter changes are 98% approved. And uh if we get this type of community buy-in that we're going to try to get, it will be approved. And don't forget we once had an alderman's court in Dover. That's Yeah. It's not And it's not something new to the state. It's operational all","topics_json":"[]","vector_id":"vec_seg_101659_117","created_at":"2026-10-31T08:06:01Z","speaker_name":"David L. 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Move on to the next. Okay, is there Now is there a motion to approve the uh minutes? Move to approve.","topics_json":"[]","vector_id":"vec_seg_101659_12","created_at":"2026-10-31T08:06:01Z","speaker_name":null},{"id":"seg_101659_120","meeting_id":"101659","media_asset_id":"med_101659_c3dbf49729604034","agenda_item_id":null,"speaker_id":"off_david_l_anderson","speaker_confidence":0.9,"start_sec":2065.18,"end_sec":2086.98,"text":"over. from the one part to the other. It would be hard to say, \"Oh, Dover, you can't do one.\" Yeah. You know, I mean it they could, but it would be hard to because it takes a two-thirds majority to amend a charter. Yeah. But it is um it would be very hard to say that to the people. And quite frankly, if we got to that level and the people really wanted it and we were being obstructed, I would uh move to put it on the April election ballot. Yeah.","topics_json":"[]","vector_id":"vec_seg_101659_120","created_at":"2026-10-31T08:06:01Z","speaker_name":"David L. 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They're they're getting backed up, you know, with with the attorney generals, you know, not that not being enough and, you know, being in a more They can't be everywhere, you know, there's more population than there ever has been and and they need some type of mechanism to to help, you know, at a at an earlier stage, get into an entry an entry point. And so I think there'd be a lot of attention or at least a pilot program, uh you know, for the state. You know, hopefully, they would, you know, be accepting to that.","topics_json":"[]","vector_id":"vec_seg_101659_122","created_at":"2026-10-31T08:06:01Z","speaker_name":null},{"id":"seg_101659_123","meeting_id":"101659","media_asset_id":"med_101659_c3dbf49729604034","agenda_item_id":null,"speaker_id":"off_david_l_anderson","speaker_confidence":0.9,"start_sec":2138.68,"end_sec":2236.48,"text":"See, I I would like to add a goal 10, quite frankly, on that, and that is um like for people who who are need don't have these repeat offenders, uh uh return don't do um that if they don't have the drugs, mental health, et cetera, being still having the right to refer them to essentially something like a reentry-type program where they can get and where if they they do have a probation before judgment. Mhm. Right? A probation before judgment and um peanut butter and jelly sandwich, right? And and um and then, it for as a condition that probation before judgment, they can get paid uh training, you know, but they got to show up. They have to do the job. They can't quit it. They can't They got, you know, so on. They have to do their workforce development, and and they can get uh soft skills and and all all of the things that uh it according to an assessment that would it have to be assessed for their needs. And if they and if that happens, um we will literally change not just the city, but we're going to change family trees because then you're going to change people's lives, and you're going to change their children's lives. Because one of the problems we have, yeah, now I'm commentating, but one of the problems that I see so often is uh a generational chain where people just don't know better because their parents didn't know better, their grandparents didn't know better, and they're falling in the same trap because they never seen, and never been presented with an alternative.","topics_json":"[]","vector_id":"vec_seg_101659_123","created_at":"2026-10-31T08:06:01Z","speaker_name":"David L. Anderson"},{"id":"seg_101659_124","meeting_id":"101659","media_asset_id":"med_101659_c3dbf49729604034","agenda_item_id":null,"speaker_id":"off_david_l_anderson","speaker_confidence":0.9,"start_sec":2236.48,"end_sec":2280.48,"text":"And not everybody's going to take advantage of an opportunity that you offer them. Some people are still But if you can get a third, if you can get a half, you've that changed the whole dynamic, because then you're going to reduce crime, you're going to reduce repeat offenses. Uh, Network Delaware had an interesting program that they launched in Wilmington. And in that program, 25% in some of those neighborhoods, it's the lowest reduction in crime. Some of them were 50 to 60% in targeted scenarios.","topics_json":"[\"public_safety\"]","vector_id":"vec_seg_101659_124","created_at":"2026-10-31T08:06:01Z","speaker_name":"David L. Anderson"},{"id":"seg_101659_125","meeting_id":"101659","media_asset_id":"med_101659_c3dbf49729604034","agenda_item_id":null,"speaker_id":"off_david_l_anderson","speaker_confidence":0.9,"start_sec":2280.48,"end_sec":2300.08,"text":"You know, they had me at 25%, but when I was looking through those numbers and I'm seeing","topics_json":"[]","vector_id":"vec_seg_101659_125","created_at":"2026-10-31T08:06:01Z","speaker_name":"David L. 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Because most- most","topics_json":"[\"public_safety\"]","vector_id":"vec_seg_101659_127","created_at":"2026-10-31T08:06:01Z","speaker_name":null},{"id":"seg_101659_128","meeting_id":"101659","media_asset_id":"med_101659_c3dbf49729604034","agenda_item_id":null,"speaker_id":"off_david_l_anderson","speaker_confidence":0.95,"start_sec":2412.16,"end_sec":2412.66,"text":"Right.","topics_json":"[\"public_safety\"]","vector_id":"vec_seg_101659_128","created_at":"2026-10-31T08:06:01Z","speaker_name":"David L. 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You You do that by by showing who provides them all these services, Yes.","topics_json":"[\"public_safety\"]","vector_id":"vec_seg_101659_131","created_at":"2026-10-31T08:06:01Z","speaker_name":null},{"id":"seg_101659_132","meeting_id":"101659","media_asset_id":"med_101659_c3dbf49729604034","agenda_item_id":null,"speaker_id":"off_david_l_anderson","speaker_confidence":0.95,"start_sec":2466.76,"end_sec":2467.06,"text":"Yes.","topics_json":"[\"public_safety\"]","vector_id":"vec_seg_101659_132","created_at":"2026-10-31T08:06:01Z","speaker_name":"David L. 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I can get relationship advice. I can get all these things, and and it's like yeah, they can help find me rent rental assistance. It's like, why wouldn't I do this? You know, I mean, most people are rational. You know, if the people who aren't are the ones that will be referred to drug court. Because they they usually have substance abuse. Yes, sir.","topics_json":"[\"public_safety\",\"housing\"]","vector_id":"vec_seg_101659_134","created_at":"2026-10-31T08:06:01Z","speaker_name":"David L. Anderson"},{"id":"seg_101659_135","meeting_id":"101659","media_asset_id":"med_101659_c3dbf49729604034","agenda_item_id":null,"speaker_id":"spk_101659_chunk3_speaker_3","speaker_confidence":0.75,"start_sec":2561.06,"end_sec":2573.06,"text":"Well, you know, one of the frustrating things for me is every morning I go into the Wawa on Forrest Street, and I would say at least 25% of the time, somebody's stealing something and walking out the door. It's just so blatant. It's ridiculous.","topics_json":"[\"public_safety\"]","vector_id":"vec_seg_101659_135","created_at":"2026-10-31T08:06:01Z","speaker_name":null},{"id":"seg_101659_136","meeting_id":"101659","media_asset_id":"med_101659_c3dbf49729604034","agenda_item_id":null,"speaker_id":"off_david_l_anderson","speaker_confidence":0.95,"start_sec":2573.06,"end_sec":2574.46,"text":"Yeah. Mhm.","topics_json":"[\"public_safety\"]","vector_id":"vec_seg_101659_136","created_at":"2026-10-31T08:06:01Z","speaker_name":"David L. Anderson"},{"id":"seg_101659_137","meeting_id":"101659","media_asset_id":"med_101659_c3dbf49729604034","agenda_item_id":null,"speaker_id":"spk_101659_chunk3_speaker_3","speaker_confidence":0.75,"start_sec":2574.46,"end_sec":2662.76,"text":"And, you know, when I question, you know, some of the community advocates out there, and like, you know, \"What's going on? What, you know, what gives?\" And and I'm like at some point we're going to have to do something, and then like, \"Well, you know, it's really not their fault. They don't have IDs. They don't have the ability to get a job because they don't have an address.\" You know, all those things. And I and I just think of this as a way, and I'm sure they're doing it at a state level with their courts, but there's got to be a marrying of services that if you get taken to this this Alderman's, that you don't have proper identification, you don't have these things, that you have the ability that, you know, to do that, or have an entry point to to get that. Because I hear that all the time, that, \"I don't have documentation.\"","topics_json":"[\"public_safety\",\"homelessness\"]","vector_id":"vec_seg_101659_137","created_at":"2026-10-31T08:06:01Z","speaker_name":null},{"id":"seg_101659_138","meeting_id":"101659","media_asset_id":"med_101659_c3dbf49729604034","agenda_item_id":null,"speaker_id":"off_david_l_anderson","speaker_confidence":0.95,"start_sec":2662.76,"end_sec":2663.06,"text":"Right.","topics_json":"[\"homelessness\"]","vector_id":"vec_seg_101659_138","created_at":"2026-10-31T08:06:01Z","speaker_name":"David L. 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Aye.","topics_json":"[]","vector_id":"vec_seg_101659_14","created_at":"2026-10-31T08:06:01Z","speaker_name":null},{"id":"seg_101659_140","meeting_id":"101659","media_asset_id":"med_101659_c3dbf49729604034","agenda_item_id":null,"speaker_id":"spk_101659_chunk3_speaker_2","speaker_confidence":0.75,"start_sec":2676.36,"end_sec":2678.56,"text":"Well, they could do it at Social Services.","topics_json":"[\"homelessness\"]","vector_id":"vec_seg_101659_140","created_at":"2026-10-31T08:06:01Z","speaker_name":null},{"id":"seg_101659_141","meeting_id":"101659","media_asset_id":"med_101659_c3dbf49729604034","agenda_item_id":null,"speaker_id":"off_david_l_anderson","speaker_confidence":0.95,"start_sec":2678.56,"end_sec":2679.96,"text":"Yes, they can. They can.","topics_json":"[\"homelessness\"]","vector_id":"vec_seg_101659_141","created_at":"2026-10-31T08:06:01Z","speaker_name":"David L. 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We need to um-","topics_json":"[\"budget\"]","vector_id":"vec_seg_101659_164","created_at":"2026-10-31T08:06:01Z","speaker_name":"David L. Anderson"},{"id":"seg_101659_165","meeting_id":"101659","media_asset_id":"med_101659_c3dbf49729604034","agenda_item_id":null,"speaker_id":"spk_101659_chunk3_speaker_2","speaker_confidence":0.75,"start_sec":2861.26,"end_sec":2883.66,"text":"And once and once we have that, if we want to go forward with this thing, then we can contact uh uh Ms. Harris in the legislature, or other other legislators, to see whether we can do an add-on or whatever for the for it funding the court. But, of course, that we have that's maybe a step too far until we actually propose to put through an amendment to our charter. 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There There's other Aside from startup costs here, you need to um Yeah, you need to look at the administrative fees where if you're going to participate part time or full time, if it's part time, you don't have to worry about employee benefits as an example, whereas if you have full-time employees, then you're going to have health benefits, which is going to increase that $500,000 figure, right? So there there's a lot of nuances involved. Uh my initial thought was, is this something because we're reducing maybe some of the overhead load on the DOJ, would would it be possible for them to help us fund the startup costs as as you said, as a pilot? 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I mean, we'll Go- will probably will fund it probably through the city manager and finance, and they'll get it to Dover PD, and what- we'll get to that answer, too.","topics_json":"[\"budget\",\"public_safety\"]","vector_id":"vec_seg_101659_181","created_at":"2026-10-31T08:06:01Z","speaker_name":"David L. Anderson"},{"id":"seg_101659_182","meeting_id":"101659","media_asset_id":"med_101659_c3dbf49729604034","agenda_item_id":null,"speaker_id":"spk_101659_chunk3_speaker_2","speaker_confidence":0.75,"start_sec":3156.16,"end_sec":3162.06,"text":"Well, there's a Delaware State Statistical Office that comes up with all these figures. What they could readily give you this statistics.","topics_json":"[\"budget\"]","vector_id":"vec_seg_101659_182","created_at":"2026-10-31T08:06:01Z","speaker_name":null},{"id":"seg_101659_183","meeting_id":"101659","media_asset_id":"med_101659_c3dbf49729604034","agenda_item_id":null,"speaker_id":"spk_101659_chunk3_speaker_4","speaker_confidence":0.7,"start_sec":3162.06,"end_sec":3163.46,"text":"What's the name of it?","topics_json":"[]","vector_id":"vec_seg_101659_183","created_at":"2026-10-31T08:06:01Z","speaker_name":null},{"id":"seg_101659_184","meeting_id":"101659","media_asset_id":"med_101659_c3dbf49729604034","agenda_item_id":null,"speaker_id":"spk_101659_chunk3_speaker_2","speaker_confidence":0.75,"start_sec":3163.46,"end_sec":3181.76,"text":"I think it's called the Delaware Statistical Office. Statistical. They got all the this they can It's on the computer, they can print it out for you. How much How much money goes to the state for all state courts. Because on all these minor charges, you have various charges added to the fine. Yeah, you do.","topics_json":"[\"budget\"]","vector_id":"vec_seg_101659_184","created_at":"2026-10-31T08:06:01Z","speaker_name":null},{"id":"seg_101659_185","meeting_id":"101659","media_asset_id":"med_101659_c3dbf49729604034","agenda_item_id":null,"speaker_id":"off_david_l_anderson","speaker_confidence":0.95,"start_sec":3181.76,"end_sec":3182.76,"text":"Yeah, they do.","topics_json":"[\"budget\"]","vector_id":"vec_seg_101659_185","created_at":"2026-10-31T08:06:01Z","speaker_name":"David L. Anderson"},{"id":"seg_101659_186","meeting_id":"101659","media_asset_id":"med_101659_c3dbf49729604034","agenda_item_id":null,"speaker_id":"spk_101659_chunk3_speaker_2","speaker_confidence":0.75,"start_sec":3182.76,"end_sec":3187.96,"text":"Thank you. So, and that adds That makes That That's why it makes the fine so high.","topics_json":"[\"budget\"]","vector_id":"vec_seg_101659_186","created_at":"2026-10-31T08:06:01Z","speaker_name":null},{"id":"seg_101659_187","meeting_id":"101659","media_asset_id":"med_101659_c3dbf49729604034","agenda_item_id":null,"speaker_id":"off_david_l_anderson","speaker_confidence":0.95,"start_sec":3187.96,"end_sec":3191.36,"text":"Hm. True. A $25 fine, it cost you $85.","topics_json":"[\"budget\"]","vector_id":"vec_seg_101659_187","created_at":"2026-10-31T08:06:01Z","speaker_name":"David L. 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And we'll take it from members of the committee, and members of the public who are here, who may want to comment after members of the committee do. The We Last time, the members of the public was Mr. Faust, this time members of the public is Mr. Anderson, so Oh, you know, anybody else will show up. And, but we also have uh with us uh Mrs. Marty. Welcome. Hi.","topics_json":"[]","vector_id":"vec_seg_101659_19","created_at":"2026-10-31T08:06:01Z","speaker_name":"David L. Anderson"},{"id":"seg_101659_2","meeting_id":"101659","media_asset_id":"med_101659_c3dbf49729604034","agenda_item_id":null,"speaker_id":"spk_101659_unknown_speaker","speaker_confidence":0,"start_sec":28.53,"end_sec":39.5,"text":"for the adoption of the this, a motion to adopt the agenda minus um, item three. So moved. 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I know it's long, but that's","topics_json":"[]","vector_id":"vec_seg_101659_24","created_at":"2026-10-31T08:06:01Z","speaker_name":null},{"id":"seg_101659_25","meeting_id":"101659","media_asset_id":"med_101659_c3dbf49729604034","agenda_item_id":null,"speaker_id":"spk_101659_unknown_speaker","speaker_confidence":0,"start_sec":1009.68,"end_sec":1045.26,"text":"As a follow-up to Derrick's suggestions, I mean obviously we need to establish what is our jurisdiction. Yeah. Yeah. And you don't have to write this down, but there's two types of jurisdiction you have to consider. One is exclusive jurisdiction, and one is joint jurisdiction with other courts. And you can think about that. 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Because that certainly is going to be a big factor with the Yeah.","topics_json":"[\"budget\"]","vector_id":"vec_seg_101659_28","created_at":"2026-10-31T08:06:01Z","speaker_name":null},{"id":"seg_101659_29","meeting_id":"101659","media_asset_id":"med_101659_c3dbf49729604034","agenda_item_id":null,"speaker_id":"spk_101659_unknown_speaker","speaker_confidence":0,"start_sec":1095.3,"end_sec":1099.64,"text":"Well, council, I'm sure. Sure. And the and our and our Yeah. committee, the uh","topics_json":"[\"budget\"]","vector_id":"vec_seg_101659_29","created_at":"2026-10-31T08:06:01Z","speaker_name":null},{"id":"seg_101659_3","meeting_id":"101659","media_asset_id":"med_101659_c3dbf49729604034","agenda_item_id":null,"speaker_id":"off_david_l_anderson","speaker_confidence":1,"start_sec":39.5,"end_sec":50.15,"text":"The moved and seconded to adopt the agenda deleting guest presentation. All right. All those in favor? 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Mhm.","topics_json":"[\"budget\"]","vector_id":"vec_seg_101659_33","created_at":"2026-10-31T08:06:01Z","speaker_name":"Hoffer"},{"id":"seg_101659_34","meeting_id":"101659","media_asset_id":"med_101659_c3dbf49729604034","agenda_item_id":null,"speaker_id":"spk_101659_unknown_speaker","speaker_confidence":0,"start_sec":1133.56,"end_sec":1179.68,"text":"Yes, as we talk about the uh financial aspect of this, I was just I just want to make sure that um I know we want to make sure it's self-funded and things like that, but I want to make sure that we're not looking for those fines and everything else in order to keep it afloat, because we don't want that to um affect any decisions that are made. Meaning, if we don't need a certain amount of money then, you know, these amount of people are guilty and give them their fines. So, if there's a way for us to make sure that we're not doing this as a business, right, we're trying to do this as something to help the community. Yeah. Community-oriented. You had a hand raised over here, uh, one of our one of our assistants. It wasn't. It was. It was Julia. It was Julia, yeah. Is it you, Lois? Councilman. Councilman Lewis, did you have something to say? He's muted. Yeah, I had my hand up. Yeah, you did. We just couldn't hear you. I think Judge Whittington had already mentioned it. Uh, I think one of the most important things uh, is financial backing for this court. Yeah. Um, and that's one of the reasons I invited our finance director to this meeting today, uh, Ms. Marty. I'm just observing today. Thank you. Just to get make sure that you get a copy of the minutes. There was extensive discussion Yeah. last time. She'll email She'll email them. Oh, okay. Okay. She'll email them. Are they posted online, really? They are. I think, yeah. Good. Thank you. It is uh, and now they'll be moved from uh draft to official. Yeah. All right, so that that was already mentioned. All right, it's got a star on that one. So, now what's the uh, are there any other I basically have a question. All right. Yes. Um, this will not include uh, like this Alderman's Court is only for like uh, I'm trying to figure out like what type of uh, charge uh, tickets will be given out in the Alderman's Court. I really wanted to make sure it had nothing to do with people's property. Okay. And would just deal with like uh, not removing your snow, um like the municipal what what code enforcement stuff, Code enforcement. Mhm. or is this all like um bordering the traffic tickets, things of that nature? And that is the question for this committee to answer. Okay, great. And that's the Uh, you know, I I don't want to prejudge the answer, but but from what I've been hearing, we're probably not going to go there. We're going to get consensus. Okay. Because um you know, that can change, and you all change your mind in two months, we give it that's fine, but as of right now, it it would not, because for one, we have we now have the existing appeals panels for not just the construction maintenance, but the other portions, as well, which we didn't have 2 years ago. Mhm. So, now we have the construction board, made with the others we didn't really have, and that probably would have fallen under here, but now that we have the appeals panel, there's no reason To mess that up. Exactly. Yeah. That's Because it seems to be working. Good. So, with people and it doesn't cost them anything. They don't have to have attorneys or anything of that nature. It seems to be working well for everybody. Well, frankly, you you can cover that issue another way. You can, you know, if if you want Alderman's Court is certainly to be a criminal court, as most of them are, rather than a civil court, then that issue would not be a problem. 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But it's uh Well, I said only. I only said about half. And that And that was cool because that's what we were after. We were after you know, a getting a diverse uh level of knowledge, opinion, and so on. And, and bringing some people in who just have a totally fresh perspective. And, as well as people who had extensive knowledge. And that way uh, you know, it it the whole point was to have that balance, because if we if uh we're we're going along and half the people are like, you know, we It's time to recalibrate, because then we're not going to reach the general public. Um, so that was important. Um, see. But, yeah, I like this idea of a survey, because the the survey can ask those questions like, you know, what Yeah. Do you These are what the committee Do you have other goals? Do you approve of these? What What do you What else do you think? Uh, you know, do you believe it will work at all? You know, once you get down to the final question, you know. 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We just don't have staff support for evening meetings. Uh we we may have one later on where we actually have a product to bring the public in and get public comments for it. Like for that meeting, but that will probably be the only evening meeting we have when we need that public comment. Uh but, but uh, and But anyway, and we have we have the great staff, uh uh, all of them. And we appreciate all of them. And so what we'll be talking about is uh today, we have a white board even, uh with our goals, and what what goals we that that we would believe that an Alderman's Court should achieve. Okay? Because once we set the goals, then we can build a structure that achieves those goals. Trying to uh uh decide on a structure without knowing the goals is completely backwards. But first we had to understand how it worked, how it functioned, that was step one. Step two would be, if we do this, how what goals would we like to see and how should it function in Dover? And then uh, step three we'll we then we can get more information about how that can be achieved. So, uh why let's uh pause for a moment, and uh allow you to uh look at the minutes. Because one of the things we want with our goals is we wanted to be uh diverse and collaborative goals that reflect a broad consensus of the community. Uh not just one section of the community or another. Uh that way, if we go this way, it will have real community buy-in, which I think if you're going to achieve a charter change, a charter, you know, a charter change isn't just another ordinance. I I think a charter change should um you know, should reflect uh certainly the majority, but hopefully um a reasonable consensus of the community, though not everybody's going to agree on everything, and you're never going to get unanimity, but uh yeah, I think uh a sound majority is a good thing.","topics_json":"[]","vector_id":"vec_seg_101659_9","created_at":"2026-10-31T08:06:01Z","speaker_name":"David L. 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So, um survey, I'm like this. Sure. You know what I mean? I do surveys all the time in my job, but um going off like uh Brian's uh why he doesn't like surveys or one thing to keep in mind, and saying that,","topics_json":"[]","vector_id":"vec_seg_101659_92","created_at":"2026-10-31T08:06:01Z","speaker_name":null},{"id":"seg_101659_93","meeting_id":"101659","media_asset_id":"med_101659_c3dbf49729604034","agenda_item_id":null,"speaker_id":"off_david_l_anderson","speaker_confidence":0.9,"start_sec":1737.18,"end_sec":1738.68,"text":"Yeah.","topics_json":"[]","vector_id":"vec_seg_101659_93","created_at":"2026-10-31T08:06:01Z","speaker_name":"David L. Anderson"},{"id":"seg_101659_94","meeting_id":"101659","media_asset_id":"med_101659_c3dbf49729604034","agenda_item_id":null,"speaker_id":"spk_101659_unknown_speaker","speaker_confidence":0.7,"start_sec":1738.68,"end_sec":1745.88,"text":"but I think a town hall would be great. Agreed. 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Yay or nay, or what they think the problem is or what the solution is. Mhm. That's what you're looking for.","topics_json":"[]","vector_id":"vec_seg_101659_99","created_at":"2026-10-31T08:06:01Z","speaker_name":null},{"id":"seg_101808_1","meeting_id":"101808","media_asset_id":"med_101808_771e38c1dc69692e","agenda_item_id":null,"speaker_id":"off_fred_a_neil","speaker_confidence":1,"start_sec":2.49,"end_sec":5.29,"text":"You have before you this evening's agenda. I'll entertain a motion for its adoption.","topics_json":"[]","vector_id":"vec_seg_101808_1","created_at":"2026-10-31T08:06:57Z","speaker_name":"Fred A. 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I know people, I've had constituents, call and say they had a, they have an older, they have an older home, but we also have, they don't get the, they can't, they're not required to fight this. And taking two, uh, and uh, and that, and, I think, um, you have, they have, and they have made documents of what they have required, and this, in time, might, might be I don't like it. And, what um, be the problem with this thing, with the amendment, I will, I will support this. Um, but I've heard concerns. I happen to agree with the, uh, why the people have expressed their concerns. And, um, without the amendment, because I did not, oh, I would not be able to support this ordinance without this amendment. Thank you.","topics_json":"[\"housing\",\"public_safety\"]","vector_id":"vec_seg_101808_105","created_at":"2026-10-31T08:06:57Z","speaker_name":"David L. 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The ordinance is intended to give the city sufficient time to develop comprehensive regulations addressing the location and construction of these facilities, their demands on the city's electrical and public infrastructure, their effect on utility ratepayers, and their broader impacts on public welfare. During the moratorium, the city would not issue permits, approve site plans, rezonings, conditional uses, or subdivisions, enter into utility service agreements, or other or issue certificates of occupancy for newly covered facilities. Pending applications deemed complete before the ordinance takes effect would be stayed, subject to limited exceptions requiring council approval. The ordinance exempts government facilities, hospitals, universities, public safety facilities, certain limited expansions by existing industrial users, routine maintenance, existing telecommunication facilities, qualifying clean energy facilities, and public utility infrastructure. 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Uh, EDIS, general contractor for the Dover Family Family Center, will be starting up with precast concrete deliveries on October 14th, which deliveries are expected to start on October 15th. The delivery route includes units, uh, extending from Division Street to Bradford, turning onto Bradford, and entering and unloading off of Bradford Street at the facility's tower, and then they will be turning, exiting Bradford Street onto Water and then Street. This will continue from, uh, the October until the end of November. Deliveries will occur from 7:00 a.m. to 3:00 p.m. Monday through Friday. Staff is also working with contractors to seek solutions to repair the sluice sluice gate at Silver Lake Dam. This will not cause any particular flood, any flooding concerns at all. Uh, flyers were hand-delivered to residents about the delay of lowering the water level of Silver Lake to allow for repairs. On October 14th, we're also having a workshop on clean energy in Dover, that will be held at the Dover Public Library from 4:30 to 6:30 p.m. And, as a reminder, yard waste operations are starting on October 13th. Thank you.","topics_json":"[\"public_safety\"]","vector_id":"vec_seg_101808_157","created_at":"2026-10-31T08:06:57Z","speaker_name":"Sharon Duca"},{"id":"seg_101808_158","meeting_id":"101808","media_asset_id":"med_101808_771e38c1dc69692e","agenda_item_id":null,"speaker_id":"off_fred_a_neil","speaker_confidence":0.95,"start_sec":2054.15,"end_sec":2057.35,"text":"Thank you. Mr. Mayor, announcements.","topics_json":"[]","vector_id":"vec_seg_101808_158","created_at":"2026-10-31T08:06:57Z","speaker_name":"Fred A. Neil"},{"id":"seg_101808_159","meeting_id":"101808","media_asset_id":"med_101808_771e38c1dc69692e","agenda_item_id":null,"speaker_id":"off_robin_r_christiansen","speaker_confidence":0.95,"start_sec":2057.35,"end_sec":2083.15,"text":"Mr. President, thank you. Um, I'm just going to remind, uh, the, uh, members of Council and the citizens, uh, that that there is a planned Veterans Day parade on November 7th to honor our veterans, uh, here in the community, so be on the lookout for information for that. Thank you, Mr. President.","topics_json":"[]","vector_id":"vec_seg_101808_159","created_at":"2026-10-31T08:06:57Z","speaker_name":"Robin R. Christiansen"},{"id":"seg_101808_16","meeting_id":"101808","media_asset_id":"med_101808_771e38c1dc69692e","agenda_item_id":null,"speaker_id":"spk_101808_city_clerk","speaker_confidence":1,"start_sec":70.18,"end_sec":70.97,"text":"Dr. Pillsbury?","topics_json":"[]","vector_id":"vec_seg_101808_16","created_at":"2026-10-31T08:06:57Z","speaker_name":null},{"id":"seg_101808_160","meeting_id":"101808","media_asset_id":"med_101808_771e38c1dc69692e","agenda_item_id":null,"speaker_id":"off_fred_a_neil","speaker_confidence":0.95,"start_sec":2083.15,"end_sec":2087.95,"text":"Thank you. Council member announcements. Any hands?","topics_json":"[]","vector_id":"vec_seg_101808_160","created_at":"2026-10-31T08:06:57Z","speaker_name":"Fred A. Neil"},{"id":"seg_101808_161","meeting_id":"101808","media_asset_id":"med_101808_771e38c1dc69692e","agenda_item_id":null,"speaker_id":"spk_101808_unknown_speaker","speaker_confidence":0.8,"start_sec":2087.95,"end_sec":2091.75,"text":"Everybody wants to have lunch, huh?","topics_json":"[]","vector_id":"vec_seg_101808_161","created_at":"2026-10-31T08:06:57Z","speaker_name":null},{"id":"seg_101808_162","meeting_id":"101808","media_asset_id":"med_101808_771e38c1dc69692e","agenda_item_id":null,"speaker_id":"off_fred_a_neil","speaker_confidence":0.95,"start_sec":2091.75,"end_sec":2093.35,"text":"Councilman Anderson.","topics_json":"[]","vector_id":"vec_seg_101808_162","created_at":"2026-10-31T08:06:57Z","speaker_name":"Fred A. Neil"},{"id":"seg_101808_163","meeting_id":"101808","media_asset_id":"med_101808_771e38c1dc69692e","agenda_item_id":null,"speaker_id":"off_david_l_anderson","speaker_confidence":0.95,"start_sec":2093.35,"end_sec":2189.15,"text":"Thank you, Mr. President. We have, um, I want to thank, uh, members of the Fourth District for coming to, uh, the town hall conversation, uh, that Dr. Sudler and I hosted. We had a very good discussion, and and I want to thank, uh, the Dover Police for sending, uh, two officers and having a good presence and also taking, you know, some questions. And that was, so, so much appreciated. We had great for, thanks for, concerned for safe for, safe behavior that's, false, that's here and concerns about, residents and, easily, uh, in the, like the, Walker, build, uh, cancel some stuff like that. So, uh, I'm glad, that, uh, they sent another full, uh, to the, uh, picture, shown, uh, about that reach, which would be, uh, you know, we hope that the construction, and, and the other big thing, is that, uh, we look forward, some people are looking at the possibility of a petition, uh, for, a traffic, um, announcement, uh, on the, on the work that's going to be done on the new garage is going to be discussing the contract in the near future. Uh, the DDP has sent out an announcement.","topics_json":"[\"public_safety\"]","vector_id":"vec_seg_101808_163","created_at":"2026-10-31T08:06:57Z","speaker_name":"David L. Anderson"},{"id":"seg_101808_164","meeting_id":"101808","media_asset_id":"med_101808_771e38c1dc69692e","agenda_item_id":null,"speaker_id":"off_fred_a_neil","speaker_confidence":0.95,"start_sec":2189.15,"end_sec":2196.85,"text":"I requested that it be put on the city website. If anybody's concerned about what's happening, that will appear on the website. And with that, this meeting is now adjourned.","topics_json":"[]","vector_id":"vec_seg_101808_164","created_at":"2026-10-31T08:06:57Z","speaker_name":"Fred A. Neil"},{"id":"seg_101808_17","meeting_id":"101808","media_asset_id":"med_101808_771e38c1dc69692e","agenda_item_id":null,"speaker_id":"off_julia_m_pillsbury","speaker_confidence":1,"start_sec":71.03,"end_sec":71.4,"text":"Yes.","topics_json":"[]","vector_id":"vec_seg_101808_17","created_at":"2026-10-31T08:06:57Z","speaker_name":"Julia M. 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Rocha, Sr."},{"id":"seg_101808_22","meeting_id":"101808","media_asset_id":"med_101808_771e38c1dc69692e","agenda_item_id":null,"speaker_id":"spk_101808_city_clerk","speaker_confidence":1,"start_sec":73.53,"end_sec":74.26,"text":"Mr. Lewis?","topics_json":"[]","vector_id":"vec_seg_101808_22","created_at":"2026-10-31T08:06:57Z","speaker_name":null},{"id":"seg_101808_23","meeting_id":"101808","media_asset_id":"med_101808_771e38c1dc69692e","agenda_item_id":null,"speaker_id":"spk_101808_city_clerk","speaker_confidence":1,"start_sec":74.32,"end_sec":75.11,"text":"Council President Neil?","topics_json":"[]","vector_id":"vec_seg_101808_23","created_at":"2026-10-31T08:06:57Z","speaker_name":null},{"id":"seg_101808_24","meeting_id":"101808","media_asset_id":"med_101808_771e38c1dc69692e","agenda_item_id":null,"speaker_id":"off_fred_a_neil","speaker_confidence":1,"start_sec":75.17,"end_sec":75.6,"text":"Yes.","topics_json":"[]","vector_id":"vec_seg_101808_24","created_at":"2026-10-31T08:06:57Z","speaker_name":"Fred A. 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Whereas, the City of Dover acknowledges that the land on which we live and work is part of the ancestral homeland of the Lenape Indian people who have stewarded these lands for thousands of years; and whereas, the Lenape Indian, also known as the Delaware people, are the indigenous inhabitants of Delaware","topics_json":"[]","vector_id":"vec_seg_101808_27","created_at":"2026-10-31T08:06:57Z","speaker_name":null},{"id":"seg_101808_28","meeting_id":"101808","media_asset_id":"med_101808_771e38c1dc69692e","agenda_item_id":null,"speaker_id":"spk_101808_city_clerk","speaker_confidence":1,"start_sec":132.58,"end_sec":143.41,"text":"and the surrounding region, and their enduring presence, traditions, and cultural contributions remain vital to our shared history; and whereas, indigenous peoples continue to enrich our community through leadership, service, scholarship, art, and advocacy, advocacy, sorry,","topics_json":"[]","vector_id":"vec_seg_101808_28","created_at":"2026-10-31T08:06:57Z","speaker_name":null},{"id":"seg_101808_29","meeting_id":"101808","media_asset_id":"med_101808_771e38c1dc69692e","agenda_item_id":null,"speaker_id":"spk_101808_city_clerk","speaker_confidence":1,"start_sec":144.08,"end_sec":201.73,"text":"carrying forward the resilience and spirit of their ancestors; and whereas, Indigenous Peoples' Day is an opportunity to honor the Lenape Indian and all indigenous nations past, present, and future while recognizing their their sovereignty, wisdom, and deep connection to the land; and whereas, the City of Dover is committed to fostering understanding, respect, and reconciliation by acknowledging the original inhabitants of this land and celebrating the diversity of indigenous cultures; and now therefore, I, Robin R. Christiansen, Mayor of the City of Dover, Delaware, do hereby proclaim October 12th, 2026 as Indigenous Peoples' Day in the City of Dover, and encourage all residents to recognize and celebrate the Lenape Indian and all indigenous peoples for their invaluable contributions to our history and community.","topics_json":"[]","vector_id":"vec_seg_101808_29","created_at":"2026-10-31T08:06:57Z","speaker_name":null},{"id":"seg_101808_3","meeting_id":"101808","media_asset_id":"med_101808_771e38c1dc69692e","agenda_item_id":null,"speaker_id":"off_gerald_l_rocha_sr","speaker_confidence":0.95,"start_sec":6.87,"end_sec":7.6,"text":"Councilman Rocha, second.","topics_json":"[]","vector_id":"vec_seg_101808_3","created_at":"2026-10-31T08:06:57Z","speaker_name":"Gerald L. Rocha, Sr."},{"id":"seg_101808_30","meeting_id":"101808","media_asset_id":"med_101808_771e38c1dc69692e","agenda_item_id":null,"speaker_id":"off_robin_r_christiansen","speaker_confidence":1,"start_sec":204.41,"end_sec":211.95,"text":"Chief, before I present you the proclamation, in the Lenape tradition, when you get a compliment, it requires someone else to speak. So Mr. Rocha will take the pictures, then, Chief, we're glad to have you.","topics_json":"[]","vector_id":"vec_seg_101808_30","created_at":"2026-10-31T08:06:57Z","speaker_name":"Robin R. Christiansen"},{"id":"seg_101808_31","meeting_id":"101808","media_asset_id":"med_101808_771e38c1dc69692e","agenda_item_id":null,"speaker_id":"spk_101808_dennis_coker","speaker_confidence":0.95,"start_sec":217.24,"end_sec":306.34,"text":"Yes, good evening. Good evening everyone. Um we once again are here to accept this proclamation, and we are in celebration not only of of today being Indigenous Peoples' Day, but we're in celebration of House Bill 365 that was passed by the State of Delaware, uh giving, creating, in their, a step to create an Indigenous Peoples' Commission, uh which gives us a voice in in our government, uh in our state, and it is um such an honor that we're being able to make steps toward being recognized once again, and being, you know, getting some of the things that um we have uh strived for and dream of. We look forward to more, and we have, you know, other things in plans that we will be recognized in a proud fashion. Thank you.","topics_json":"[]","vector_id":"vec_seg_101808_31","created_at":"2026-10-31T08:06:57Z","speaker_name":"Dennis Coker"},{"id":"seg_101808_32","meeting_id":"101808","media_asset_id":"med_101808_771e38c1dc69692e","agenda_item_id":null,"speaker_id":"off_fred_a_neil","speaker_confidence":1,"start_sec":332.18,"end_sec":340.39,"text":"Halloween trick-or-treat. I invite the fun Mayor of Dover, Robin Christiansen, to the podium for the presentation, and request the City Clerk to read a proclamation into the record.","topics_json":"[]","vector_id":"vec_seg_101808_32","created_at":"2026-10-31T08:06:57Z","speaker_name":"Fred A. Neil"},{"id":"seg_101808_33","meeting_id":"101808","media_asset_id":"med_101808_771e38c1dc69692e","agenda_item_id":null,"speaker_id":"off_robin_r_christiansen","speaker_confidence":1,"start_sec":365.02,"end_sec":367.03,"text":"All right. Mr. President, this is my costume.","topics_json":"[]","vector_id":"vec_seg_101808_33","created_at":"2026-10-31T08:06:57Z","speaker_name":"Robin R. Christiansen"},{"id":"seg_101808_34","meeting_id":"101808","media_asset_id":"med_101808_771e38c1dc69692e","agenda_item_id":null,"speaker_id":"spk_101808_city_clerk","speaker_confidence":1,"start_sec":372.38,"end_sec":445.24,"text":"Proclamation. Whereas, the children of the City of Dover enjoy the fun and festivities associated with the observance of the Halloween trick-or-treat custom, emerging from their homes as ghosts, witches, princesses, cartoon characters, caped crusaders, or action heroes, and traveling with friends and family door-to-door throughout the neighborhood to gather treats; and whereas, children ages 12 and under may participate in trick-or-treating in small groups, ages will be strictly enforced; parents must accompany their children throughout their journeys in celebrating Halloween trick-or-treat; motorists are urged to drive with extra caution and to be ever-watchful for our youngsters making their rounds; and whereas, it is requested that residents indicate their willingness to welcome children by keeping their porch or exterior lights on, and that youngsters call only on the homes that are lit; now therefore, I, Robin R. Christiansen, Mayor of the City of Dover, Delaware, do hereby proclaim that the Halloween trick-or-treat observance to be held on Saturday, the 31st day of October, 2026, between the hours of 6:00 p.m. and 8:00 p.m. in the City of Dover, and urge all residents, both young and old, to make this a happy and safe occasion for our children.","topics_json":"[]","vector_id":"vec_seg_101808_34","created_at":"2026-10-31T08:06:57Z","speaker_name":null},{"id":"seg_101808_35","meeting_id":"101808","media_asset_id":"med_101808_771e38c1dc69692e","agenda_item_id":null,"speaker_id":"off_fred_a_neil","speaker_confidence":1,"start_sec":459.9,"end_sec":505.03,"text":"Thank you, Mr. Mayor. Final reading of proposed ordinances. The first reading of proposed ordinances was accomplished during the City Council meeting of September 28th, 2026. The ordinances are available at the entrance of the City Council Chambers, or on the city website at www.cityofdover.com under government. First, I'll entertain a motion to consider the final readings by title only. A separate motion will be necessary for each adoption. What is the pleasure of council?","topics_json":"[]","vector_id":"vec_seg_101808_35","created_at":"2026-10-31T08:06:57Z","speaker_name":"Fred A. Neil"},{"id":"seg_101808_36","meeting_id":"101808","media_asset_id":"med_101808_771e38c1dc69692e","agenda_item_id":null,"speaker_id":"off_julia_m_pillsbury","speaker_confidence":0.85,"start_sec":506.97,"end_sec":507.64,"text":"By title only.","topics_json":"[]","vector_id":"vec_seg_101808_36","created_at":"2026-10-31T08:06:57Z","speaker_name":"Julia M. Pillsbury"},{"id":"seg_101808_37","meeting_id":"101808","media_asset_id":"med_101808_771e38c1dc69692e","agenda_item_id":null,"speaker_id":"off_gerald_l_rocha_sr","speaker_confidence":0.85,"start_sec":507.7,"end_sec":508.37,"text":"Second.","topics_json":"[]","vector_id":"vec_seg_101808_37","created_at":"2026-10-31T08:06:57Z","speaker_name":"Gerald L. Rocha, Sr."},{"id":"seg_101808_38","meeting_id":"101808","media_asset_id":"med_101808_771e38c1dc69692e","agenda_item_id":null,"speaker_id":"off_fred_a_neil","speaker_confidence":1,"start_sec":508.43,"end_sec":514.21,"text":"It has been moved and seconded. Any discussion? Hearing none, all in favor say aye. Any opposed? Pass.","topics_json":"[]","vector_id":"vec_seg_101808_38","created_at":"2026-10-31T08:06:57Z","speaker_name":"Fred A. 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Neil"},{"id":"seg_101808_40","meeting_id":"101808","media_asset_id":"med_101808_771e38c1dc69692e","agenda_item_id":null,"speaker_id":"off_fred_a_neil","speaker_confidence":1,"start_sec":514.82,"end_sec":551.31,"text":"Uh the Ordinance 2025-19, adoption of the 2024 ICC codes. Uh request David Naylor, uh the ICC certified master code professional, to brief the members on this ordinance.","topics_json":"[\"zoning\"]","vector_id":"vec_seg_101808_40","created_at":"2026-10-31T08:06:57Z","speaker_name":"Fred A. 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Jason Osika, Deputy Director of Emergency Management, Fire Marshal. Mayor, Council, thank you. Excuse me. Matt Brown worked hard on this. Special thanks to Matt. He's at a Delaware flight console. He had a vacation. Um this lets just give some insight ahead of time. My time here, this is the third time we've proposed a new code, and it's the first time it's made it to the floor. So a lot of hard work went into that. Um in short, uh this replaces the city's 2009 building code with the 2024 editions of International Building Code, Residential Code, Existing Building Code, Property Maintenance Code, Fire Code, and Swimming Pool and Spa. The Energy, Mechanical, Plumbing, and Fuel Gas work stay under statewide codes that the city already enforces. The old ICC performance code is repealed. Projects already under active design may finish under the prior code if the owner elects the path and can document the same. Um there were two items that uh Matt wanted to be clear, and and staff as a whole. Uh the first is tiny houses. The ordinance adopts the Residential Code Appendix that sets construction standards for tiny houses. This is a building standard only. It does not create the right to place a tiny house or accessory dwelling unit anywhere zoning does not already allow it. Use, density, lot sizes, parking still have to meet Dover zoning requirements in that uh zoning ordinance. Residential sprinklers, uh there was a little bit of discussion uh last time at Council Committee. The 2024 Residential Code sprinkler section is adopted as published, and it applies to newly constructed one- and two-family dwellings and townhouses. An existing house is not required to be retrofitted with sprinklers just because the city is adopting this code. Due to the last meeting, there is a possible amendment within the packet. Uh a motion was made for a possible amendment that would not require an existing residence to retrofit sprinklers if 50% or more was met. Any new addition would have to have sprinklers installed. However, there would be no requirement to add them to the existing structure. Other local items stay in place and are tightened: flood floors at base flood elevation plus 18 inches, child daycare path brought to 12 children in one-family dwellings if state licensing and zoning are met, clear permits for extra uh spray strip booths. That's everything in a nutshell. We really wanted to point out those two.","topics_json":"[\"zoning\",\"public_safety\"]","vector_id":"vec_seg_101808_46","created_at":"2026-10-31T08:06:57Z","speaker_name":"Jason Osika"},{"id":"seg_101808_47","meeting_id":"101808","media_asset_id":"med_101808_771e38c1dc69692e","agenda_item_id":null,"speaker_id":"off_fred_a_neil","speaker_confidence":1,"start_sec":733.58,"end_sec":734.98,"text":"Questions? Councilman Lewis.","topics_json":"[]","vector_id":"vec_seg_101808_47","created_at":"2026-10-31T08:06:57Z","speaker_name":"Fred A. Neil"},{"id":"seg_101808_48","meeting_id":"101808","media_asset_id":"med_101808_771e38c1dc69692e","agenda_item_id":null,"speaker_id":"off_brian_e_lewis","speaker_confidence":1,"start_sec":735.1,"end_sec":749.27,"text":"Yes, sir. Um the only issue I have, uh so question I have is when you say 'addition', so if I put, someone puts an addition on their house, a new addition, they're going to be required to put those sprinklers in that new addition, like an added-on room?","topics_json":"[\"public_safety\",\"housing\"]","vector_id":"vec_seg_101808_48","created_at":"2026-10-31T08:06:57Z","speaker_name":"Brian E. Lewis"},{"id":"seg_101808_49","meeting_id":"101808","media_asset_id":"med_101808_771e38c1dc69692e","agenda_item_id":null,"speaker_id":"spk_101808_jason_osika","speaker_confidence":1,"start_sec":749.88,"end_sec":763.13,"text":"So if we adopt the 2024 as we propose it, the only way you would have to add sprinklers is whenever 50% renovations. The amendment that was added, if you choose to take that tonight, was if you're at 50%, the only area that would be needed is that addition, not the entire residence. That was based on the Council Committee.","topics_json":"[\"public_safety\",\"housing\"]","vector_id":"vec_seg_101808_49","created_at":"2026-10-31T08:06:57Z","speaker_name":"Jason Osika"},{"id":"seg_101808_5","meeting_id":"101808","media_asset_id":"med_101808_771e38c1dc69692e","agenda_item_id":null,"speaker_id":"spk_101808_councilmembers","speaker_confidence":0.95,"start_sec":11.37,"end_sec":12.04,"text":"Aye.","topics_json":"[]","vector_id":"vec_seg_101808_5","created_at":"2026-10-31T08:06:57Z","speaker_name":null},{"id":"seg_101808_50","meeting_id":"101808","media_asset_id":"med_101808_771e38c1dc69692e","agenda_item_id":null,"speaker_id":"off_brian_e_lewis","speaker_confidence":1,"start_sec":763.5,"end_sec":791.17,"text":"So so even one room? If I add one room, what is at what time is 50%?","topics_json":"[\"housing\"]","vector_id":"vec_seg_101808_50","created_at":"2026-10-31T08:06:57Z","speaker_name":"Brian E. Lewis"},{"id":"seg_101808_51","meeting_id":"101808","media_asset_id":"med_101808_771e38c1dc69692e","agenda_item_id":null,"speaker_id":"spk_101808_jason_osika","speaker_confidence":1,"start_sec":791.29,"end_sec":795.31,"text":"So 50%, if you have a 1,000 square foot house and went to 1,500, then you're hitting that 50%.","topics_json":"[\"housing\"]","vector_id":"vec_seg_101808_51","created_at":"2026-10-31T08:06:57Z","speaker_name":"Jason Osika"},{"id":"seg_101808_52","meeting_id":"101808","media_asset_id":"med_101808_771e38c1dc69692e","agenda_item_id":null,"speaker_id":"off_brian_e_lewis","speaker_confidence":1,"start_sec":795.61,"end_sec":852.47,"text":"I got an issue with that. Can't support it. Um the other concern I have has to do with cost, because this is all going to trickle down on the buyer, because you're going to be requiring the builders now to put these sprinklers in the new homes. I understand it has to do with material, but, you know, why don't we enforce the uh the material, you know, and require the builders to have, you know, better fire material uh instead of like letting, you know, out cheap material and have these sprinklers now, uh because again, it's going to fall down on the buyer and it's going to increase the cost of the home. And I got a couple phone calls, you know, after this was first introduced, uh with people that are furious over that. So that's where I stand on the residential sprinkler part.","topics_json":"[\"housing\",\"public_safety\"]","vector_id":"vec_seg_101808_52","created_at":"2026-10-31T08:06:57Z","speaker_name":"Brian E. Lewis"},{"id":"seg_101808_53","meeting_id":"101808","media_asset_id":"med_101808_771e38c1dc69692e","agenda_item_id":null,"speaker_id":"spk_101808_jason_osika","speaker_confidence":1,"start_sec":853.02,"end_sec":875.77,"text":"So, um the code council as a whole, uh keep in mind, everything's a package. Everything comes together when it comes to codes. Um what we're dealing with now is lightweight construction, so that obviously is less of a cost. That code takes into consideration the reason they're allowing that is because residential sprinklers are required. So if you take the sprinkler component away, you're so you can't trade off for heavy construction uh because they're already with lightweight, it brought costs down. So it's a balance factor there for code and for costs. But I understand your concerns.","topics_json":"[\"housing\",\"public_safety\"]","vector_id":"vec_seg_101808_53","created_at":"2026-10-31T08:06:57Z","speaker_name":"Jason Osika"},{"id":"seg_101808_54","meeting_id":"101808","media_asset_id":"med_101808_771e38c1dc69692e","agenda_item_id":null,"speaker_id":"off_brian_e_lewis","speaker_confidence":1,"start_sec":875.95,"end_sec":877.11,"text":"Thanks. That's all I have.","topics_json":"[]","vector_id":"vec_seg_101808_54","created_at":"2026-10-31T08:06:57Z","speaker_name":"Brian E. Lewis"},{"id":"seg_101808_55","meeting_id":"101808","media_asset_id":"med_101808_771e38c1dc69692e","agenda_item_id":null,"speaker_id":"off_fred_a_neil","speaker_confidence":1,"start_sec":877.35,"end_sec":879.17,"text":"Any other, yes, Councilman uh Boggerty.","topics_json":"[]","vector_id":"vec_seg_101808_55","created_at":"2026-10-31T08:06:57Z","speaker_name":"Fred A. Neil"},{"id":"seg_101808_56","meeting_id":"101808","media_asset_id":"med_101808_771e38c1dc69692e","agenda_item_id":null,"speaker_id":"off_andre_m_boggerty","speaker_confidence":1,"start_sec":879.54,"end_sec":916.33,"text":"Yes, I have a few questions. Thank you for acknowledging me, too. Hypothetically, if I'm planning to finish my basement, which would add um feet to my home, is, if I finish my basement, does that count? If I if I turn my basement into usable space?","topics_json":"[\"housing\"]","vector_id":"vec_seg_101808_56","created_at":"2026-10-31T08:06:57Z","speaker_name":"Andre M. Boggerty"},{"id":"seg_101808_57","meeting_id":"101808","media_asset_id":"med_101808_771e38c1dc69692e","agenda_item_id":null,"speaker_id":"spk_101808_jason_osika","speaker_confidence":1,"start_sec":916.52,"end_sec":918.16,"text":"If it was over the 50%.","topics_json":"[\"housing\"]","vector_id":"vec_seg_101808_57","created_at":"2026-10-31T08:06:57Z","speaker_name":"Jason Osika"},{"id":"seg_101808_58","meeting_id":"101808","media_asset_id":"med_101808_771e38c1dc69692e","agenda_item_id":null,"speaker_id":"off_andre_m_boggerty","speaker_confidence":1,"start_sec":919.8,"end_sec":926.55,"text":"So, based on your square footage, if it's a 2,000 square foot house and you're adding 1,000 of livable area, then yes, it it would impact. Would I have to put sprinklers in my home, in my basement?","topics_json":"[\"housing\",\"public_safety\"]","vector_id":"vec_seg_101808_58","created_at":"2026-10-31T08:06:57Z","speaker_name":"Andre M. Boggerty"},{"id":"seg_101808_59","meeting_id":"101808","media_asset_id":"med_101808_771e38c1dc69692e","agenda_item_id":null,"speaker_id":"spk_101808_jason_osika","speaker_confidence":1,"start_sec":927.04,"end_sec":928.56,"text":"Per the code uh per the amendment, yes.","topics_json":"[\"housing\",\"public_safety\"]","vector_id":"vec_seg_101808_59","created_at":"2026-10-31T08:06:57Z","speaker_name":"Jason Osika"},{"id":"seg_101808_6","meeting_id":"101808","media_asset_id":"med_101808_771e38c1dc69692e","agenda_item_id":null,"speaker_id":"off_fred_a_neil","speaker_confidence":1,"start_sec":16.54,"end_sec":34.3,"text":"The consent agenda. You have before us the evening's consent agenda. All consent agenda items are considered routine and non-controversial and will be acted upon by a single roll call vote of the council. There will be no separate discussion of these items unless a member of council so requests, at which event the matter shall be removed from the consent agenda and considered as a separate item. What is the pleasure of council?","topics_json":"[]","vector_id":"vec_seg_101808_6","created_at":"2026-10-31T08:06:57Z","speaker_name":"Fred A. Neil"},{"id":"seg_101808_60","meeting_id":"101808","media_asset_id":"med_101808_771e38c1dc69692e","agenda_item_id":null,"speaker_id":"off_andre_m_boggerty","speaker_confidence":1,"start_sec":929.1,"end_sec":930.56,"text":"Okay.","topics_json":"[]","vector_id":"vec_seg_101808_60","created_at":"2026-10-31T08:06:57Z","speaker_name":"Andre M. Boggerty"},{"id":"seg_101808_61","meeting_id":"101808","media_asset_id":"med_101808_771e38c1dc69692e","agenda_item_id":null,"speaker_id":"off_fred_a_neil","speaker_confidence":1,"start_sec":930.63,"end_sec":932.15,"text":"I'm just going to leave it an old house.","topics_json":"[]","vector_id":"vec_seg_101808_61","created_at":"2026-10-31T08:06:57Z","speaker_name":"Fred A. Neil"},{"id":"seg_101808_62","meeting_id":"101808","media_asset_id":"med_101808_771e38c1dc69692e","agenda_item_id":null,"speaker_id":"off_andre_m_boggerty","speaker_confidence":1,"start_sec":934.15,"end_sec":983.11,"text":"Second, then then there's this um, and and I I'm trying to see, I want to stay aboveboard. For example, hypothetically, if I'm doing something and I need to bring street sprinklers, and from my current experience, the water underground, I I have to pay to increase the width. If my house is in one of those areas where I have to pay to tear up the ground to increase the width and will cost me for the water sprinklers, does that come, fall onto me, too?","topics_json":"[\"housing\",\"public_safety\"]","vector_id":"vec_seg_101808_62","created_at":"2026-10-31T08:06:57Z","speaker_name":"Andre M. Boggerty"},{"id":"seg_101808_63","meeting_id":"101808","media_asset_id":"med_101808_771e38c1dc69692e","agenda_item_id":null,"speaker_id":"spk_101808_jason_osika","speaker_confidence":1,"start_sec":983.41,"end_sec":996.37,"text":"So it would, but I think you're thinking more of commercial projects. So uh commercial projects, basically bring in an 8-inch waterline supply. 2-inch goes to domestic, 6-inch goes to your sprinkler. Um with residential, um the code has already taken into account the cost factor, so you can run off a residential line. It wouldn't be...","topics_json":"[\"housing\",\"business\"]","vector_id":"vec_seg_101808_63","created_at":"2026-10-31T08:06:57Z","speaker_name":"Jason Osika"},{"id":"seg_101808_64","meeting_id":"101808","media_asset_id":"med_101808_771e38c1dc69692e","agenda_item_id":null,"speaker_id":"off_andre_m_boggerty","speaker_confidence":1,"start_sec":996.49,"end_sec":1000.87,"text":"So I don't have to tear up, I don't have to dig lines hypothetically?","topics_json":"[\"housing\"]","vector_id":"vec_seg_101808_64","created_at":"2026-10-31T08:06:57Z","speaker_name":"Andre M. Boggerty"},{"id":"seg_101808_65","meeting_id":"101808","media_asset_id":"med_101808_771e38c1dc69692e","agenda_item_id":null,"speaker_id":"spk_101808_jason_osika","speaker_confidence":1,"start_sec":1001.66,"end_sec":1007.74,"text":"Just like the sprinkler lines, um you'll see steel in commercial structures where you can use CPVC in residential structures, so it's come a long way on making it affordable.","topics_json":"[\"housing\"]","vector_id":"vec_seg_101808_65","created_at":"2026-10-31T08:06:57Z","speaker_name":"Jason Osika"},{"id":"seg_101808_66","meeting_id":"101808","media_asset_id":"med_101808_771e38c1dc69692e","agenda_item_id":null,"speaker_id":"off_andre_m_boggerty","speaker_confidence":1,"start_sec":1008.47,"end_sec":1047.09,"text":"So if so if someone gets a permit to redo their basement, um that person pulling that permit will have to account for square footage and then an additional cost for sprinkler and only to the just just the basement, or will it be the whole house, correct?","topics_json":"[\"housing\",\"public_safety\"]","vector_id":"vec_seg_101808_66","created_at":"2026-10-31T08:06:57Z","speaker_name":"Andre M. Boggerty"},{"id":"seg_101808_67","meeting_id":"101808","media_asset_id":"med_101808_771e38c1dc69692e","agenda_item_id":null,"speaker_id":"spk_101808_jason_osika","speaker_confidence":1,"start_sec":1047.33,"end_sec":1050.01,"text":"If it is over 50% renovations. If it's under that, they're good to go.","topics_json":"[\"housing\",\"public_safety\"]","vector_id":"vec_seg_101808_67","created_at":"2026-10-31T08:06:57Z","speaker_name":"Jason Osika"},{"id":"seg_101808_68","meeting_id":"101808","media_asset_id":"med_101808_771e38c1dc69692e","agenda_item_id":null,"speaker_id":"off_andre_m_boggerty","speaker_confidence":1,"start_sec":1050.92,"end_sec":1052.14,"text":"All right, thank you. Thank you.","topics_json":"[]","vector_id":"vec_seg_101808_68","created_at":"2026-10-31T08:06:57Z","speaker_name":"Andre M. Boggerty"},{"id":"seg_101808_69","meeting_id":"101808","media_asset_id":"med_101808_771e38c1dc69692e","agenda_item_id":null,"speaker_id":"off_fred_a_neil","speaker_confidence":1,"start_sec":1053.05,"end_sec":1056.7,"text":"Any other questions? Hearing none, what is the... Yes, Councilman Anderson.","topics_json":"[]","vector_id":"vec_seg_101808_69","created_at":"2026-10-31T08:06:57Z","speaker_name":"Fred A. Neil"},{"id":"seg_101808_7","meeting_id":"101808","media_asset_id":"med_101808_771e38c1dc69692e","agenda_item_id":null,"speaker_id":"off_tricia_k_arndt","speaker_confidence":0.85,"start_sec":34.97,"end_sec":35.7,"text":"Move to approve.","topics_json":"[]","vector_id":"vec_seg_101808_7","created_at":"2026-10-31T08:06:57Z","speaker_name":"Tricia K. Arndt"},{"id":"seg_101808_70","meeting_id":"101808","media_asset_id":"med_101808_771e38c1dc69692e","agenda_item_id":null,"speaker_id":"off_julia_m_pillsbury","speaker_confidence":0.85,"start_sec":1056.82,"end_sec":1057.61,"text":"I thought you had your hand up.","topics_json":"[]","vector_id":"vec_seg_101808_70","created_at":"2026-10-31T08:06:57Z","speaker_name":"Julia M. Pillsbury"},{"id":"seg_101808_71","meeting_id":"101808","media_asset_id":"med_101808_771e38c1dc69692e","agenda_item_id":null,"speaker_id":"off_david_l_anderson","speaker_confidence":1,"start_sec":1058.77,"end_sec":1061.44,"text":"I did... not just another question. Make a motion.","topics_json":"[]","vector_id":"vec_seg_101808_71","created_at":"2026-10-31T08:06:57Z","speaker_name":"David L. Anderson"},{"id":"seg_101808_72","meeting_id":"101808","media_asset_id":"med_101808_771e38c1dc69692e","agenda_item_id":null,"speaker_id":"off_fred_a_neil","speaker_confidence":1,"start_sec":1061.99,"end_sec":1063.88,"text":"Please do. That's the next question.","topics_json":"[]","vector_id":"vec_seg_101808_72","created_at":"2026-10-31T08:06:57Z","speaker_name":"Fred A. Neil"},{"id":"seg_101808_73","meeting_id":"101808","media_asset_id":"med_101808_771e38c1dc69692e","agenda_item_id":null,"speaker_id":"off_david_l_anderson","speaker_confidence":1,"start_sec":1065.03,"end_sec":1105.54,"text":"Yes, and I I move uh for the adoption of the committee amendment which would protect um people who are making renovations to existing houses from having to uh retrofit the entire old structure, which particularly with our older buildings, could could be impossible. Um so I I move that we adopt the committee amendment.","topics_json":"[\"housing\",\"public_safety\"]","vector_id":"vec_seg_101808_73","created_at":"2026-10-31T08:06:57Z","speaker_name":"David L. Anderson"},{"id":"seg_101808_74","meeting_id":"101808","media_asset_id":"med_101808_771e38c1dc69692e","agenda_item_id":null,"speaker_id":"off_fred_a_neil","speaker_confidence":1,"start_sec":1105.96,"end_sec":1107.42,"text":"Is there a second to the adoption?","topics_json":"[]","vector_id":"vec_seg_101808_74","created_at":"2026-10-31T08:06:57Z","speaker_name":"Fred A. Neil"},{"id":"seg_101808_75","meeting_id":"101808","media_asset_id":"med_101808_771e38c1dc69692e","agenda_item_id":null,"speaker_id":"off_gerald_l_rocha_sr","speaker_confidence":0.95,"start_sec":1107.79,"end_sec":1109,"text":"Second to the adoption.","topics_json":"[]","vector_id":"vec_seg_101808_75","created_at":"2026-10-31T08:06:57Z","speaker_name":"Gerald L. Rocha, Sr."},{"id":"seg_101808_76","meeting_id":"101808","media_asset_id":"med_101808_771e38c1dc69692e","agenda_item_id":null,"speaker_id":"off_fred_a_neil","speaker_confidence":1,"start_sec":1109.31,"end_sec":1111.62,"text":"Any discussion? Hearing none...","topics_json":"[]","vector_id":"vec_seg_101808_76","created_at":"2026-10-31T08:06:57Z","speaker_name":"Fred A. Neil"},{"id":"seg_101808_77","meeting_id":"101808","media_asset_id":"med_101808_771e38c1dc69692e","agenda_item_id":null,"speaker_id":"off_roy_sudler_jr","speaker_confidence":1,"start_sec":1111.74,"end_sec":1112.96,"text":"Hold on, hold on. We have discussion, Council President.","topics_json":"[]","vector_id":"vec_seg_101808_77","created_at":"2026-10-31T08:06:57Z","speaker_name":"Roy Sudler, Jr."},{"id":"seg_101808_78","meeting_id":"101808","media_asset_id":"med_101808_771e38c1dc69692e","agenda_item_id":null,"speaker_id":"off_fred_a_neil","speaker_confidence":1,"start_sec":1113.14,"end_sec":1113.93,"text":"Yes, Councilman Sudler.","topics_json":"[]","vector_id":"vec_seg_101808_78","created_at":"2026-10-31T08:06:57Z","speaker_name":"Fred A. 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Rocha, Sr."},{"id":"seg_101808_80","meeting_id":"101808","media_asset_id":"med_101808_771e38c1dc69692e","agenda_item_id":null,"speaker_id":"off_david_l_anderson","speaker_confidence":1,"start_sec":1128.16,"end_sec":1129.25,"text":"Mr. Chairman, can I respond?","topics_json":"[]","vector_id":"vec_seg_101808_80","created_at":"2026-10-31T08:06:57Z","speaker_name":"David L. Anderson"},{"id":"seg_101808_81","meeting_id":"101808","media_asset_id":"med_101808_771e38c1dc69692e","agenda_item_id":null,"speaker_id":"off_fred_a_neil","speaker_confidence":1,"start_sec":1129.38,"end_sec":1130.11,"text":"Yes, Councilman Anderson.","topics_json":"[]","vector_id":"vec_seg_101808_81","created_at":"2026-10-31T08:06:57Z","speaker_name":"Fred A. Neil"},{"id":"seg_101808_82","meeting_id":"101808","media_asset_id":"med_101808_771e38c1dc69692e","agenda_item_id":null,"speaker_id":"off_david_l_anderson","speaker_confidence":1,"start_sec":1130.29,"end_sec":1179.55,"text":"Uh yes. Uh basically, what the if we did discuss in committee what the idea is if the if the if it's triggered with the new construction, but trying to retrofit, um like instance, a home like mine, 125 years old, uh plaster walls and the like, you you just aren't going to be able to retrofit it. It's just off the wall. You would have to tear down the other three walls and just rebuild the whole thing. I mean, it would make make it impossible.","topics_json":"[\"housing\",\"public_safety\"]","vector_id":"vec_seg_101808_82","created_at":"2026-10-31T08:06:57Z","speaker_name":"David L. Anderson"},{"id":"seg_101808_83","meeting_id":"101808","media_asset_id":"med_101808_771e38c1dc69692e","agenda_item_id":null,"speaker_id":"off_david_l_anderson","speaker_confidence":0.95,"start_sec":1179.55,"end_sec":1182.05,"text":"the amendment into false.","topics_json":"[]","vector_id":"vec_seg_101808_83","created_at":"2026-10-31T08:06:57Z","speaker_name":"David L. 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You would still be required to, if you build something new, it has to be to the new code. However, it just would not trigger changing your existing your your existing residential structure. Um, you know, what you're building new, if it only and by the way this only triggers if it's above the 50% threshold. Okay. But if it's a, but if, if it, once you cross that 50% threshold, you have to have the new code. But the problem, but, but the problem with the way it's currently written, uh, it, it would trigger for the whole building, which would mean, um, like if, so you're doing the basements, and you have a one-story house with a basement, when that finished basement increases it by 50% it would trigger for the whole house. Um, and that's what with this amendment prevents. It's, it's a protection for, it's a protection for the people, um, who are, who are trying to actually improve and update their properties.","topics_json":"[\"housing\",\"public_safety\"]","vector_id":"vec_seg_101808_87","created_at":"2026-10-31T08:06:57Z","speaker_name":"David L. Anderson"},{"id":"seg_101808_88","meeting_id":"101808","media_asset_id":"med_101808_771e38c1dc69692e","agenda_item_id":null,"speaker_id":"off_brian_e_lewis","speaker_confidence":0.95,"start_sec":1292.65,"end_sec":1311.15,"text":"I, I think personally, I, I don't think if you own a 20, 25-year-old house and you put an addition on, I don't think you should be required to put in a sprinkler system on your addition or renovation to your basement or attic, whatever it may be. But that's how I feel. That's why I'm not supporting it.","topics_json":"[\"housing\",\"public_safety\"]","vector_id":"vec_seg_101808_88","created_at":"2026-10-31T08:06:57Z","speaker_name":"Brian E. 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And, but it is not a costly a costly proposition, but there is a mechanism to sweat into domestic water, uh, sprinkler heads to do what needs to be done if it's required.","topics_json":"[\"housing\",\"public_safety\"]","vector_id":"vec_seg_101808_94","created_at":"2026-10-31T08:06:57Z","speaker_name":"Robin R. Christiansen"},{"id":"seg_101808_95","meeting_id":"101808","media_asset_id":"med_101808_771e38c1dc69692e","agenda_item_id":null,"speaker_id":"off_fred_a_neil","speaker_confidence":0.95,"start_sec":1366.85,"end_sec":1393.25,"text":"Any additional questions? Okay. Uh, what is the, I call for the vote at this time. And this is on the amendment. This is changes it so that it is not in the whole house, but only if the the new addition is 50% of the of of the rest of the building. All in favor, do we have to have a roll call vote?","topics_json":"[\"housing\",\"public_safety\"]","vector_id":"vec_seg_101808_95","created_at":"2026-10-31T08:06:57Z","speaker_name":"Fred A. 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I didn't thank you for the gift that you brought back from the opening of Delaware State News in the city, and want to thank you for that. And you have your report. Is he... Was his mic...","topics_json":"[]","vector_id":"vec_seg_101809_10","created_at":"2026-10-31T08:06:10Z","speaker_name":"Fred A. 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As soon as you're done, you can give our staff your contact information so I can reach out to you.","topics_json":"[\"zoning\"]","vector_id":"vec_seg_101809_103","created_at":"2026-10-31T08:06:10Z","speaker_name":"Eddie Kopp"},{"id":"seg_101809_104","meeting_id":"101809","media_asset_id":"med_101809_1d70ed02b65b72c2","agenda_item_id":null,"speaker_id":"spk_101809_public_commenter","speaker_confidence":0.85,"start_sec":2284.98,"end_sec":2286.5,"text":"Okay. Thank you very much.","topics_json":"[]","vector_id":"vec_seg_101809_104","created_at":"2026-10-31T08:06:10Z","speaker_name":null},{"id":"seg_101809_105","meeting_id":"101809","media_asset_id":"med_101809_1d70ed02b65b72c2","agenda_item_id":null,"speaker_id":"off_gerald_l_rocha_sr","speaker_confidence":0.95,"start_sec":2286.81,"end_sec":2289.85,"text":"Thank you. Anyone else?","topics_json":"[]","vector_id":"vec_seg_101809_105","created_at":"2026-10-31T08:06:10Z","speaker_name":"Gerald L. 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So the light was obnoxiously bright. Um, it was going into residential homes. But after a quick conversation,","topics_json":"[\"zoning\"]","vector_id":"vec_seg_101809_110","created_at":"2026-10-31T08:06:10Z","speaker_name":null},{"id":"seg_101809_111","meeting_id":"101809","media_asset_id":"med_101809_1d70ed02b65b72c2","agenda_item_id":null,"speaker_id":"spk_101809_city_staff","speaker_confidence":0.85,"start_sec":2376.24,"end_sec":2389.79,"text":"with Staff's attack here, with quick conversation, so notice, and hopefully they'd come to a cleanup. Like we did with the sports field, we let them know it was an issue, and they went out and fixed it within a couple days, uh, just redirected the lights so it wasn't shining into the residential uh into the residential homes. 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Rocha, Sr."},{"id":"seg_101809_129","meeting_id":"101809","media_asset_id":"med_101809_1d70ed02b65b72c2","agenda_item_id":null,"speaker_id":"off_gerald_l_rocha_sr","speaker_confidence":0.9,"start_sec":2559.07,"end_sec":2559.74,"text":"Welcome.","topics_json":"[]","vector_id":"vec_seg_101809_129","created_at":"2026-10-31T08:06:10Z","speaker_name":"Gerald L. Rocha, Sr."},{"id":"seg_101809_13","meeting_id":"101809","media_asset_id":"med_101809_1d70ed02b65b72c2","agenda_item_id":null,"speaker_id":"spk_101809_city_clerk","speaker_confidence":0.9,"start_sec":138.95,"end_sec":139.75,"text":"Ms. Hall's not online.","topics_json":"[]","vector_id":"vec_seg_101809_13","created_at":"2026-10-31T08:06:10Z","speaker_name":null},{"id":"seg_101809_130","meeting_id":"101809","media_asset_id":"med_101809_1d70ed02b65b72c2","agenda_item_id":null,"speaker_id":"spk_101809_sharon_duca","speaker_confidence":0.95,"start_sec":2560.11,"end_sec":2574.64,"text":"Thank you. Good evening, Sharon Duca, City Manager. Um, this evening I'd like to discuss the potential budget amendment in relation to the Economic and Community Development Fund. Um, I'd like to start um by reviewing uh some of the status of the associated projects that comes right uh to mind.","topics_json":"[\"budget\"]","vector_id":"vec_seg_101809_130","created_at":"2026-10-31T08:06:10Z","speaker_name":"Sharon Duca"},{"id":"seg_101809_131","meeting_id":"101809","media_asset_id":"med_101809_1d70ed02b65b72c2","agenda_item_id":null,"speaker_id":"spk_101809_sharon_duca","speaker_confidence":0.95,"start_sec":2574.94,"end_sec":2629.55,"text":"Um, as you may be aware, uh as part of the fiscal 2027 budget, there was a request to remove funds from the Economic and Community Development Fund um to pay for required entrance improvements to Garrison Oak Technical Park. Uh, it was noted in the budget that uh there was a prior year balance of a little over $3 million with a transfer out of $1.426 million, leaving a balance of approximately $1.672 million. The fiscal year 2027 year-to-date budget uh confirms these projections, uh showing that the transfer to the General Fund was complete uh in the amount of $1.426 million.","topics_json":"[\"budget\"]","vector_id":"vec_seg_101809_131","created_at":"2026-10-31T08:06:10Z","speaker_name":"Sharon Duca"},{"id":"seg_101809_132","meeting_id":"101809","media_asset_id":"med_101809_1d70ed02b65b72c2","agenda_item_id":null,"speaker_id":"spk_101809_sharon_duca","speaker_confidence":0.95,"start_sec":2630.88,"end_sec":2675.45,"text":"Um, staff had submitted an application for TIP funds uh in May 2026, um which uh showed a revised cost projection of well over $2 million for this project. Um, it was the most current cost estimate based upon design changes that have occurred. And a decision was received on August 26 with approval letter received on September 26 that we received the funding for the project.","topics_json":"[\"budget\"]","vector_id":"vec_seg_101809_132","created_at":"2026-10-31T08:06:10Z","speaker_name":"Sharon Duca"},{"id":"seg_101809_133","meeting_id":"101809","media_asset_id":"med_101809_1d70ed02b65b72c2","agenda_item_id":null,"speaker_id":"spk_101809_sharon_duca","speaker_confidence":0.95,"start_sec":2676.97,"end_sec":2693.57,"text":"Um, the project is still in the design phase. Uh, comments have been received from DelDOT, and a meeting with them has been requested. It is unknown at this point if the awarded amount will be adequate to cover the cost of the proposed improvements for the site. It's the goal of staff to place the project to bid within 45 days, but this will tend depend upon the meeting results with DelDOT.","topics_json":"[\"budget\"]","vector_id":"vec_seg_101809_133","created_at":"2026-10-31T08:06:10Z","speaker_name":"Sharon Duca"},{"id":"seg_101809_134","meeting_id":"101809","media_asset_id":"med_101809_1d70ed02b65b72c2","agenda_item_id":null,"speaker_id":"spk_101809_sharon_duca","speaker_confidence":0.95,"start_sec":2694.12,"end_sec":2733.64,"text":"Uh, due to the funding from the TIP, it's been urged to complete a budget amendment and return the 1.426 million to the Economic and Community Development Fund. Um, staff recommends that the return of the funds be limited until the project is bid and final costs are determined. Um, a buffer for potential change orders could also be considered.","topics_json":"[\"budget\"]","vector_id":"vec_seg_101809_134","created_at":"2026-10-31T08:06:10Z","speaker_name":"Sharon Duca"},{"id":"seg_101809_135","meeting_id":"101809","media_asset_id":"med_101809_1d70ed02b65b72c2","agenda_item_id":null,"speaker_id":"spk_101809_sharon_duca","speaker_confidence":0.95,"start_sec":2735.16,"end_sec":2755.59,"text":"Um, it should also be noted that the original funds for the design work for the project came out of the Economic and Community Development Fund um in the amount of $90,000. Um, it's projected there will be an additional $45,000 in a engineer's change order to address the concerns of DelDOT and make required changes to the plan. Uh, this should this occur, this will come back for council approval as it exceeds the amount that I can approve by policy. 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Seems like right now we will sort of put it on hold till after this meeting, and uh, and and then uh, what happens, um, one of the things that I had interest in was, of course, uh, bringing the funds uh, back up to the uh, the round the 2 million range, which which we had identified the need for, and the, and maybe using uh, some as a uh, uh, to possibly fund a a rebate to uh, uh, like a in a like in the EPA-type credit to uh, our uh, customers that that we had to uh, raise and raise. And that's part of the discussion that that I was interested in having, and and what that would look like. Uh, right now it's uh it's discussion to be here, we need to uh keep it on hold. That's for something for for us to think about, and and there's other possibilities uh, which which are also valid. But that was uh a discussion that I thought was interesting. I know Councilman Lewis has some input on that, but I can't seem to it seems to be offline right now. Um, anyone anyone else have any thoughts? 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Rocha, Sr."},{"id":"seg_101809_143","meeting_id":"101809","media_asset_id":"med_101809_1d70ed02b65b72c2","agenda_item_id":null,"speaker_id":"off_david_l_anderson","speaker_confidence":0.95,"start_sec":2919.16,"end_sec":2990.66,"text":"Uh, but I wanted to um, thank you just bringing an an update uh uh back to the Legislative, Finance, and Administration Committee. I believe you seen the minutes that have been that were in the packet, and the draft minutes. And so you've had a chance to uh follow along with the meetings the committee has had so far. Uh, we've had good robust uh participation, and including uh, I was very grateful for um our state representative Kerry Anderson Taylor's uh participation, so uh which which is very positive. We've had uh uh the clerk of the court from uh Newark, um get some excellent information. And we have our our own um we have our own uh who's experts uh uh on that, when it comes to uh um Mr. Garth Binkle as a uh state magistrate, and of course uh Judge Witham, as a Superior, is a retired Superior Court uh judge, and and they've been very valuable.","topics_json":"[\"public_safety\"]","vector_id":"vec_seg_101809_143","created_at":"2026-10-31T08:06:10Z","speaker_name":"David L. Anderson"},{"id":"seg_101809_144","meeting_id":"101809","media_asset_id":"med_101809_1d70ed02b65b72c2","agenda_item_id":null,"speaker_id":"off_david_l_anderson","speaker_confidence":0.95,"start_sec":2990.66,"end_sec":3036.45,"text":"We also have uh Dr. Hoffman, who was the uh chair of the uh Government and History department at Delaware State University, and who's their uh their expertise has been um I think it's been a very positive addition. And, of course, we have uh the community, and and people from various uh walks of life uh uh, and and a very uh diverse uh group of people. And and so as you go through,","topics_json":"[\"public_safety\"]","vector_id":"vec_seg_101809_144","created_at":"2026-10-31T08:06:10Z","speaker_name":"David L. Anderson"},{"id":"seg_101809_145","meeting_id":"101809","media_asset_id":"med_101809_1d70ed02b65b72c2","agenda_item_id":null,"speaker_id":"off_david_l_anderson","speaker_confidence":0.95,"start_sec":3037.24,"end_sec":3072.14,"text":"now we we first we looked at the feasibility. Uh, it's obviously feasible. It's uh working already in uh six municipalities. Uh, Judge Whittington advised he advised Dover it had one, uh, 70 70 years ago. Um, but a lot but a lot changed in the uh 70 years uh plus. In 1954, uh, a lot changed in that time, and it's uh caused us to reconsider. Uh, we we've looking at uh various uh ways that the court would be able to operate uh fairly, justly, um but also uh not lose money. And there's been some great input from our experts on that setup and how that would work, how that would operate.","topics_json":"[\"public_safety\"]","vector_id":"vec_seg_101809_145","created_at":"2026-10-31T08:06:10Z","speaker_name":"David L. Anderson"},{"id":"seg_101809_146","meeting_id":"101809","media_asset_id":"med_101809_1d70ed02b65b72c2","agenda_item_id":null,"speaker_id":"off_david_l_anderson","speaker_confidence":0.95,"start_sec":3072.14,"end_sec":3106.8,"text":"Uh, quite frankly, as best we can tell, there's not any alderman's court that's losing money in the state of Delaware. Now, some municipalities tried to get rid of them, the ones that have them. We uh we want that, and so that's one of the things that we care about is making it to make it work for Dover. Uh, we are not trying to come up with a mechanism to bring more revenue in. 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Um, one way you would do that would be to uh make sure the court has jurisdiction to allow referrals, such as to uh to drug courts, to veterans court, to specialty courts for people who who need that.","topics_json":"[\"public_safety\"]","vector_id":"vec_seg_101809_147","created_at":"2026-10-31T08:06:10Z","speaker_name":"David L. Anderson"},{"id":"seg_101809_148","meeting_id":"101809","media_asset_id":"med_101809_1d70ed02b65b72c2","agenda_item_id":null,"speaker_id":"off_david_l_anderson","speaker_confidence":0.95,"start_sec":3171.86,"end_sec":3219.28,"text":"Uh, provide clear distinctions between matters handled by the alderman's court and the state court system. Establish the court's jurisdiction, including exclusive and joint jurisdiction. Uh, four, develop cost and revenue estimates and assess uh if the court could be self-sustained. Five, ensure the court is a community-oriented and not driven solely by fines. Six, include referrals, you mentioned the drug court and other specialty courts.","topics_json":"[\"public_safety\",\"budget\"]","vector_id":"vec_seg_101809_148","created_at":"2026-10-31T08:06:10Z","speaker_name":"David L. Anderson"},{"id":"seg_101809_149","meeting_id":"101809","media_asset_id":"med_101809_1d70ed02b65b72c2","agenda_item_id":null,"speaker_id":"off_david_l_anderson","speaker_confidence":0.95,"start_sec":3219.28,"end_sec":3279.6,"text":"Uh, seven, uh retain a criminal focus and avoid affecting people's properties with the court's jurisdiction. Eight, developing sentencing guidelines that include uh constructive community service. Nine, explore whether the court could serve as an entry point to individuals uh needing mental health assistance. 10, explore probation before judgment as a mechanism for uh workforce development, soft skills, and assisting with individual needs.","topics_json":"[\"public_safety\"]","vector_id":"vec_seg_101809_149","created_at":"2026-10-31T08:06:10Z","speaker_name":"David L. Anderson"},{"id":"seg_101809_15","meeting_id":"101809","media_asset_id":"med_101809_1d70ed02b65b72c2","agenda_item_id":null,"speaker_id":"spk_101809_city_clerk","speaker_confidence":0.9,"start_sec":154.77,"end_sec":155.34,"text":"Okay.","topics_json":"[]","vector_id":"vec_seg_101809_15","created_at":"2026-10-31T08:06:10Z","speaker_name":null},{"id":"seg_101809_150","meeting_id":"101809","media_asset_id":"med_101809_1d70ed02b65b72c2","agenda_item_id":null,"speaker_id":"off_david_l_anderson","speaker_confidence":0.95,"start_sec":3279.6,"end_sec":3405.04,"text":"And uh with that, that's what um we support. And uh we have um we we also uh took a look at we can consider uh the continuing the work. Um there's a and then survey the public feedback. So, we'll probably take that in uh close uh to get feedback and so, and then come back and share the draft report and recommendations and be able to have uh public comment and feedback on on the drafted recommendations before anything is final. And uh, and that is about it. We should be ready here in the spring. And uh we will definitely be ready by the fall, which is important because if it has to be um the General Assembly has to get involved with that. Uh, thank you, Mr. Chair.","topics_json":"[\"public_safety\"]","vector_id":"vec_seg_101809_150","created_at":"2026-10-31T08:06:10Z","speaker_name":"David L. Anderson"},{"id":"seg_101809_151","meeting_id":"101809","media_asset_id":"med_101809_1d70ed02b65b72c2","agenda_item_id":null,"speaker_id":"off_gerald_l_rocha_sr","speaker_confidence":0.9,"start_sec":3406.99,"end_sec":3411,"text":"Yeah, Mr. Anderson. Councilman Arndt?","topics_json":"[]","vector_id":"vec_seg_101809_151","created_at":"2026-10-31T08:06:10Z","speaker_name":"Gerald L. Rocha, Sr."},{"id":"seg_101809_152","meeting_id":"101809","media_asset_id":"med_101809_1d70ed02b65b72c2","agenda_item_id":null,"speaker_id":"off_tricia_k_arndt","speaker_confidence":0.9,"start_sec":3411.73,"end_sec":3470.04,"text":"Thank you, Mr. Chair. A quick question just about the public meeting and the survey that you spoke of. Do you have a timeline? Um, and how we plan to get that out to the public, advertise it, and bring forth the opportunity to get feedback?","topics_json":"[\"public_safety\"]","vector_id":"vec_seg_101809_152","created_at":"2026-10-31T08:06:10Z","speaker_name":"Tricia K. Arndt"},{"id":"seg_101809_153","meeting_id":"101809","media_asset_id":"med_101809_1d70ed02b65b72c2","agenda_item_id":null,"speaker_id":"off_david_l_anderson","speaker_confidence":0.95,"start_sec":3470.95,"end_sec":3473.14,"text":"Yes, we did consider that, and it's...","topics_json":"[\"public_safety\"]","vector_id":"vec_seg_101809_153","created_at":"2026-10-31T08:06:10Z","speaker_name":"David L. Anderson"},{"id":"seg_101809_154","meeting_id":"101809","media_asset_id":"med_101809_1d70ed02b65b72c2","agenda_item_id":null,"speaker_id":"spk_101809_william_faust","speaker_confidence":0.95,"start_sec":3474.78,"end_sec":3538.81,"text":"William Faust, Dover. I sent an email tonight to all those who hold the find in hand. How can the justice system this day, you're meeting at 3:30 or 4:30. How can dependent public participate virtually? And excuses in budget times for all time. Exclusion of citizens being part of every phase of this. Second of all, the city is $7.8 million in the hole. According to an article from the State News from way back, great little article, it's going to cost about $500,000 to get started. Where are you going to get the seed money? Straight answer, Councilman Anderson. Please, respectful. Two, what are you going to do about security? Facilities, and all that? You can't even get our police officers a decent raise without going to...","topics_json":"[\"public_safety\",\"budget\"]","vector_id":"vec_seg_101809_154","created_at":"2026-10-31T08:06:10Z","speaker_name":"William Faust"},{"id":"seg_101809_155","meeting_id":"101809","media_asset_id":"med_101809_1d70ed02b65b72c2","agenda_item_id":null,"speaker_id":"spk_101809_todd_fowler","speaker_confidence":0.9,"start_sec":3538.81,"end_sec":3635.51,"text":"the fine operation. So you want to put like a judge, office space, more personnel, part-time or full-time. You're putting more money onto the citizens. And you're saying it's not going to be cost-effective or fine-generated? You're going to be making people pay fines. Of course it's going to be paid on the backs of the citizens. The higher courts can take care of these issues for safety. As you said in our article, it will make us much safer. We got gun violence on the street, we got prostitution, other big things. Minor things, speeding, traffic tickets, that's not going to make us safer. You know, prosperity, according to our... we'll be more prosperous. You're going to make a profit on the backs of the citizens? When is enough? You know, you've got to answer all these questions. Where are you going to get security for the place? The, uh, holding cells. Do you have holding cells? All these things. Well, you don't have the money to do this. The higher courts can handle it, let them handle it. If we had a surplus, it would be a different story. We don't have a surplus. We're in the hole. We haven't fixed the budget issues yet. We may have a fourth year of budgets going increasing. So this is not the right thing. Put your energies in bringing more revenue into this city. Make it safer. Get the guns off the street. Get the prostitutes off the street. Get the drugs off the street. That's what will make our city safer and more prosperous if we get rid of the, uh, situation. Thank you.","topics_json":"[\"budget\",\"taxes\",\"public_safety\"]","vector_id":"vec_seg_101809_155","created_at":"2026-10-31T08:06:10Z","speaker_name":"Todd Fowler"},{"id":"seg_101809_156","meeting_id":"101809","media_asset_id":"med_101809_1d70ed02b65b72c2","agenda_item_id":null,"speaker_id":"off_brian_e_lewis","speaker_confidence":0.95,"start_sec":3636.11,"end_sec":3682.81,"text":"Thank you for your comments, sir. Uh, I'd like to... to rebut in the event that you will never get the prostitution off the street or the drugs off the street with the current Department of Justice in the regular court because they absolutely will not do it. And that is frankly why we need an alderman's court that will be able to do those particular referrals. Now, for that, that is precisely why we need an alderman's court to do those particular referrals because if... until there's a massive policy change, uh, which has been documented that won't happen...","topics_json":"[\"public_safety\"]","vector_id":"vec_seg_101809_156","created_at":"2026-10-31T08:06:10Z","speaker_name":"Brian E. Lewis"},{"id":"seg_101809_157","meeting_id":"101809","media_asset_id":"med_101809_1d70ed02b65b72c2","agenda_item_id":null,"speaker_id":"spk_101809_todd_fowler","speaker_confidence":0.9,"start_sec":3682.81,"end_sec":3684.81,"text":"So am I, holding cells, who's going to pay for it?","topics_json":"[\"budget\",\"public_safety\"]","vector_id":"vec_seg_101809_157","created_at":"2026-10-31T08:06:10Z","speaker_name":"Todd Fowler"},{"id":"seg_101809_158","meeting_id":"101809","media_asset_id":"med_101809_1d70ed02b65b72c2","agenda_item_id":null,"speaker_id":"off_brian_e_lewis","speaker_confidence":0.95,"start_sec":3684.81,"end_sec":3687.81,"text":"Well, uh, thank you. Yes, ma'am.","topics_json":"[]","vector_id":"vec_seg_101809_158","created_at":"2026-10-31T08:06:10Z","speaker_name":"Brian E. Lewis"},{"id":"seg_101809_159","meeting_id":"101809","media_asset_id":"med_101809_1d70ed02b65b72c2","agenda_item_id":null,"speaker_id":"spk_101809_kim_cover","speaker_confidence":0.85,"start_sec":3688.81,"end_sec":3814.31,"text":"Hi, my name is Kim Cover. I'm listening to all this and you're, as Mr. Fowler said, you're adding more onto the constituents of each district for an alderman's court when, as council, can't even handle it. So what makes you think an alderman's court is going to handle crime, prostitution? We can't even get centers to help the homeless, help the people on drugs, that that's the first priority is to get those the help they need before we create a whole new thing uh of people who don't care because they're getting paid not to care. Because if you got paid to care, then you'd be doing something with the power that you guys have. But I don't see anything happening besides putting us in debt, putting the city in even more debt. And it's it's just a vicious cycle that you guys put money in your pockets, and we hope you do that by paying you to do nothing. So an alderman's court is not going to do anything if it's created or not created. The justice system isn't going to handle it, the alderman's court's not going to handle it, because you're going to sit here and you're going to discuss and you're going to fight, you're going to argue and, you know, not put anybody else's uh concerns ahead, which is another form of council. So in in my respect, I'm not supporting it as a constituent because until I see support from the people that we pay on council to do a job, I'm not supporting anything that comes from council's voices to what constituents' concerns are. You guys are listening, but are you actually hearing what the constituents are saying? Are you trying to do anything besides create another Council another committee? Thank you.","topics_json":"[\"budget\",\"homelessness\",\"public_safety\"]","vector_id":"vec_seg_101809_159","created_at":"2026-10-31T08:06:10Z","speaker_name":"Kim Cover"},{"id":"seg_101809_16","meeting_id":"101809","media_asset_id":"med_101809_1d70ed02b65b72c2","agenda_item_id":null,"speaker_id":"spk_101809_city_clerk","speaker_confidence":0.9,"start_sec":157.18,"end_sec":157.75,"text":"She's done.","topics_json":"[]","vector_id":"vec_seg_101809_16","created_at":"2026-10-31T08:06:10Z","speaker_name":null},{"id":"seg_101809_160","meeting_id":"101809","media_asset_id":"med_101809_1d70ed02b65b72c2","agenda_item_id":null,"speaker_id":"off_fred_a_neil","speaker_confidence":0.95,"start_sec":3814.81,"end_sec":3817.61,"text":"Mr. Chair?","topics_json":"[]","vector_id":"vec_seg_101809_160","created_at":"2026-10-31T08:06:10Z","speaker_name":"Fred A. Neil"},{"id":"seg_101809_161","meeting_id":"101809","media_asset_id":"med_101809_1d70ed02b65b72c2","agenda_item_id":null,"speaker_id":"off_brian_e_lewis","speaker_confidence":0.95,"start_sec":3817.61,"end_sec":3819.81,"text":"Yes, uh, Council President Neil.","topics_json":"[]","vector_id":"vec_seg_101809_161","created_at":"2026-10-31T08:06:10Z","speaker_name":"Brian E. Lewis"},{"id":"seg_101809_162","meeting_id":"101809","media_asset_id":"med_101809_1d70ed02b65b72c2","agenda_item_id":null,"speaker_id":"off_fred_a_neil","speaker_confidence":0.95,"start_sec":3819.81,"end_sec":3932.31,"text":"Well, thank you, Mr. Chair. Exactly, that's exactly what we're trying to do. We're dealing with people, and we've been asked by citizens to help with the people who are not able to help themselves because of addictions or because of mental illness, which is leading to homelessness. There is no way that we can take, legally, action as members of council. You need a legal system that's going to say that this is required of you to have help, uh to do that help, and you need to have a legal system in order to do that. And this has been asked by citizens who have come to us and say they our businesses have been disrupted, we can't make the money, this is the money that we we are going to be paying in order to help these people, and we can't afford it because they're interrupting our businesses and driving uh customers away, and they're hurting the values of our home. That is exactly the reason why the alderman's court steps in and basically does what the uh uh Department of Justice isn't doing. If the Department of Justice was doing this, we wouldn't have to go this way. And citizens who have come to us and asked for this help, not maybe not you, but others who are basically affected, and it has nothing to do with money from these individuals. It has to do with saying this is something that's required of you to get the help that you need, that help has got to be there long enough to be able to get them off of those uh problems with their mental illnesses or of their uh detoxification and to get them into training programs. That's the reason for it. I yield, Mr. Chairman.","topics_json":"[\"homelessness\",\"business\",\"public_safety\"]","vector_id":"vec_seg_101809_162","created_at":"2026-10-31T08:06:10Z","speaker_name":"Fred A. Neil"},{"id":"seg_101809_163","meeting_id":"101809","media_asset_id":"med_101809_1d70ed02b65b72c2","agenda_item_id":null,"speaker_id":"off_brian_e_lewis","speaker_confidence":0.95,"start_sec":3932.81,"end_sec":3947.81,"text":"Thank you. Todd Fowler? Todd? Yeah. Councilwoman... it's good... Todd? Yeah, Councilwoman...","topics_json":"[]","vector_id":"vec_seg_101809_163","created_at":"2026-10-31T08:06:10Z","speaker_name":"Brian E. Lewis"},{"id":"seg_101809_164","meeting_id":"101809","media_asset_id":"med_101809_1d70ed02b65b72c2","agenda_item_id":null,"speaker_id":"spk_101809_bonnie","speaker_confidence":0.9,"start_sec":3948.81,"end_sec":4139.61,"text":"Hello, my name is Bonnie, I live in Dover. My question is, we do need help getting the homeless people, the drug addicts, you know, the pedestrians from not being hit, instead of everybody fighting, saying you guys are not doing your job, um, why can't we all just accommodate one, and instead of spending more money to open up another factory, why can't we use the old family court that's sitting there that everybody's tax dollars is paying, not just mine, everybody in this room? So accommodate before saying, hey, I'm going to say we're going to add on to a new building. Stop putting buildings in here. Start using the ones we have. There are a lot of buildings that are sitting empty that everybody's tax money is paying for. I'm not just paying for it, everybody's paying for it. So I'm not disagreeing, and I'm not agreeing on what's going on. I think if we accommodate, I do agree with Mr. Fowler on the meeting situation. There's no way I can make it here at 2:00, 3:00 in the afternoon. I know half of everybody in this seat can't make it because people do have other jobs. The point of it is, I'm not saying you've got to, because I'm not going to say that, because it takes a pavilion to clean up this, uh, city. So everybody needs to stop, uh, throwing knives at each other's backs and start working together. We're not going to get anything done by sitting here and working against each other. This is ridiculous. I've been in this building since 2005, and it's the same thing. We're not getting... you guys are doing something, I'm not saying you're not, but the thing of it is we're all pointing fingers at each other instead of working with each other. It's time to stop fighting and start working together. Start using the buildings we have. We have plenty of buildings that are sitting here. You've got the old court, uh, police station, whatever it is, in front of the, um, farmers market. You got the old, um, family court building sitting there. You got the other building sitting here. They're sitting here empty. Use them before you start putting more money out to put us more in debt. $7 million is a lot of money for this city to be in debt. Come on, guys. Nobody, I'm not blaming anybody. I think we just need to start moving together, working together, start putting out more... look at this room. Last night this room was capacitated. Where's everybody at tonight? There's nobody here because they all feel that they're coming in here and telling you how they feel and they see nothing getting done. Mr. Cox, I agree with the light situation, but I don't because on North Poplar Street and Cecil Street, I would love to have a light out there. That's all I have to say. Thank you.","topics_json":"[\"budget\",\"homelessness\",\"taxes\",\"public_safety\"]","vector_id":"vec_seg_101809_164","created_at":"2026-10-31T08:06:10Z","speaker_name":"Bonnie"},{"id":"seg_101809_165","meeting_id":"101809","media_asset_id":"med_101809_1d70ed02b65b72c2","agenda_item_id":null,"speaker_id":"off_brian_e_lewis","speaker_confidence":0.95,"start_sec":4139.81,"end_sec":4168.81,"text":"Uh, yeah. And, uh, point taken about, yeah, exploring, uh, the buildings and others. But right now we're doing the easy stuff, you know. And, uh, yes, Councilwoman.","topics_json":"[]","vector_id":"vec_seg_101809_165","created_at":"2026-10-31T08:06:10Z","speaker_name":"Brian E. Lewis"},{"id":"seg_101809_166","meeting_id":"101809","media_asset_id":"med_101809_1d70ed02b65b72c2","agenda_item_id":null,"speaker_id":"off_tricia_k_arndt","speaker_confidence":0.95,"start_sec":4169.81,"end_sec":4229.81,"text":"Thank you, Mr. Vice Chair. Um, I just want to say I understand the intent of exploring this this action, and I appreciate the work that the ad hoc committee has been doing and will continue to do. I don't pretend to see how it's coming together yet. I will withhold judgement until I have all the information. Um, so my question is more to process and timeline. So you have the ad hoc committee, I'd like to know as far as meeting schedule, how much longer do you think they'll be focused on this ad hoc committee and gathering information and will there be a feasible report that will come in to council, um, and looking to a possible budget for start up costs that may need to be included. So when when do you anticipate hearing from an ad hoc committee to have something for council and the public to react to?","topics_json":"[\"budget\",\"public_safety\"]","vector_id":"vec_seg_101809_166","created_at":"2026-10-31T08:06:10Z","speaker_name":"Tricia K. Arndt"},{"id":"seg_101809_167","meeting_id":"101809","media_asset_id":"med_101809_1d70ed02b65b72c2","agenda_item_id":null,"speaker_id":"off_brian_e_lewis","speaker_confidence":0.95,"start_sec":4230.81,"end_sec":4512.81,"text":"It depends, Tricia, on there's two factors when the ad hoc committee goes forward, and currently we're on the path of probably about three months more. It has been pretty aggressive and, uh, but, you know, if we need to take longer, we will take longer. Um, if, you know, the first step, uh, the first step, we had to decide if there was interest, and the consensus was that there was interest. So we had to decide, uh, we had to determine what other municipalities, uh, to bring people in, get people from other municipalities to find out, um, how happy they were with it, if they were having problems. Uh, that was, um, uh, we did all that, we brought people in and then, um, with that, uh, body, then we then we, uh, if we moved to the next step, uh, because then we needed people sitting on an ad hoc committee to do work, work on drafting, draft that legislation, put the package together, and then so forth. The second step is, uh, is figuring out, um, what the jurisdiction would look like, how it would benefit the people of the city as well as the city itself. And then, uh, after that, uh, comes, uh, other steps that involves the community. So that will be the third meeting, uh, like how, uh, like how you wanted to form, uh, focus group, or town hall meeting, uh, and, you know, listen to people. And then it will be prepared to be, um, uh, council can decide whether they either want to move forward with the structure, uh, they want to abandon the structure, whatever council's pleasure is. And then council could take nine, five months, a year, two years to be able to line everything up so that they could start. I mean, that, uh, you know, because then you've got to, you know, policy, you've got to determine what needs to be changed and you have to change legislation, that passes between what we want to accomplish. Otherwise, what's the point? If if you can't get the jurisdiction, if you can't get an ordinance to become civil, if you can't, if we're not able to, uh, if you don't set it up for probation before judgment, which proposed names to be, uh, so that you can get people, first-time offenders, into community service and so forth. That, and that's, you know, a little bit further down the road, and and also there's going to be certain recommendations about how to handle certain things, like, uh, with, uh, with the homeless, and curfew, and quality-of-life crimes, and civil ordinances and offenses, you know, being charged. But it's giving, giving an opportunity for citizens, some will be challenging, and some will be, you know, civil infractions and civil penalties, and some will be summonses and so forth. But you know, we want to hear, we want to listen to the public and get the public feedback as well. That's, so we're we're not talking about a building. We're not nowhere near a building. We're we're talking about a tool for, uh, helping with crime, for, uh, giving, giving people an opportunity, if we can, with certain circumstances.","topics_json":"[\"homelessness\",\"public_safety\"]","vector_id":"vec_seg_101809_167","created_at":"2026-10-31T08:06:10Z","speaker_name":"Brian E. Lewis"},{"id":"seg_101809_168","meeting_id":"101809","media_asset_id":"med_101809_1d70ed02b65b72c2","agenda_item_id":null,"speaker_id":"off_brian_e_lewis","speaker_confidence":0.95,"start_sec":4512.81,"end_sec":4515.31,"text":"I'm sorry, did you have something?","topics_json":"[]","vector_id":"vec_seg_101809_168","created_at":"2026-10-31T08:06:10Z","speaker_name":"Brian E. Lewis"},{"id":"seg_101809_169","meeting_id":"101809","media_asset_id":"med_101809_1d70ed02b65b72c2","agenda_item_id":null,"speaker_id":"off_tricia_k_arndt","speaker_confidence":0.95,"start_sec":4235.81,"end_sec":4530.31,"text":"No, I just appreciate the clarification because I know the idea has been to people green stick for someone else to say and then legislative changes, charter changes would have to happen in this for or one, two years. It's a significant amount of options, steps forward. So thank you for that. I yield.","topics_json":"[\"public_safety\"]","vector_id":"vec_seg_101809_169","created_at":"2026-10-31T08:06:10Z","speaker_name":"Tricia K. Arndt"},{"id":"seg_101809_17","meeting_id":"101809","media_asset_id":"med_101809_1d70ed02b65b72c2","agenda_item_id":null,"speaker_id":"off_fred_a_neil","speaker_confidence":1,"start_sec":186.84,"end_sec":193.23,"text":"Well, while we're waiting for those to be able to get on with us, uh Councilwoman Arndt from the Third District. Councilwoman Arndt.","topics_json":"[]","vector_id":"vec_seg_101809_17","created_at":"2026-10-31T08:06:10Z","speaker_name":"Fred A. Neil"},{"id":"seg_101809_170","meeting_id":"101809","media_asset_id":"med_101809_1d70ed02b65b72c2","agenda_item_id":null,"speaker_id":"off_brian_e_lewis","speaker_confidence":0.95,"start_sec":4530.81,"end_sec":4570.81,"text":"It would be because while you, uh, even once we get the charter changed, the implementation still will take a lot of public hearings before it can be finally implemented. Sir?","topics_json":"[\"public_safety\"]","vector_id":"vec_seg_101809_170","created_at":"2026-10-31T08:06:10Z","speaker_name":"Brian E. Lewis"},{"id":"seg_101809_171","meeting_id":"101809","media_asset_id":"med_101809_1d70ed02b65b72c2","agenda_item_id":null,"speaker_id":"spk_101809_reginald_daniel","speaker_confidence":0.9,"start_sec":4694.81,"end_sec":4718.41,"text":"Hello, my name is Reginald Daniel, I live in Dover, Delaware. My concern is with the Alderman's Court and being a receiver of that. I think one of our biggest issues, uh, currently is that we are missing people, facilities, and resources to address...","topics_json":"[\"public_safety\"]","vector_id":"vec_seg_101809_171","created_at":"2026-10-31T08:06:10Z","speaker_name":"Reginald Daniel"},{"id":"seg_101809_172","meeting_id":"101809","media_asset_id":"med_101809_1d70ed02b65b72c2","agenda_item_id":null,"speaker_id":"spk_101809_chunk5_speaker","speaker_confidence":0.9,"start_sec":4718.42,"end_sec":4886.42,"text":"services to the school and, um, that's how I'll treat it. Just one example, I am the homeless coordinator and regularly comes to my office, who is deaf. I don't have a means of communicating with this individual. They can write somewhat, but there is nowhere that I am aware of that we have spent that money that hearing aid. We have people who came in with, who are either illiterate or they read and comprehend at a fourth grade level. Um, for people who struggle with um substance use disorder, particularly in the conjunctivals, they can't go to certain places if they can say, \"Tonight, treat the patient has open wounds.\" We don't have open wounds care facility within the Dover area. What we are dealing with is, when it comes to addiction here, and mental health services here, it is a long-running chain of services, and we're having breakages in the links. If we could just find a way to focus on filling those gaps first and foremost, I believe that it would be a bit of a slower process, but I think we'll be more effective than older folks that can only hold so many people. What we should be doing is trying to put out those central fires that are causing the situations in the first place, that no one of us in 10,000 years will ever be able to fully un-poverty or welfare poverty or mental illness, but we can at least try to build those baseline foundational issues that are making it so prevalent in our community. And I think that is what we have to focus on, that I don't think we will be able to dig ourselves out of that through fines. I think that would be, if anything, squeezing blood from a stone. I think that we do need to address the safety and need to speed, that that should be a primary focus on giving a certain kind of a hope. I think our focus should be on building out those foundational building blocks that once the homeless and mentally ill and those suffering from addiction have a concurrent cycle of resources that they have ready access to, and when we have those in particular middle points that we focus on, just making sure first and foremost that they can get a hearing aid so they can hear what services are available, then we can really start making that ultra-change. And it's not as popular, certainly is not going to be popular with certain elements and people in our community, but I think it is the most important and most humanitarian actions. 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Thank you, sir.","topics_json":"[]","vector_id":"vec_seg_101809_174","created_at":"2026-10-31T08:06:10Z","speaker_name":"Gerald L. Rocha, Sr."},{"id":"seg_101809_175","meeting_id":"101809","media_asset_id":"med_101809_1d70ed02b65b72c2","agenda_item_id":null,"speaker_id":"off_fred_a_neil","speaker_confidence":0.95,"start_sec":4905.42,"end_sec":4916.92,"text":"Thank you, Mr. Chairman. And now I can announce that Chairwoman Donyale Hall can get at the business of the Parks, Recreation, and Community Enhancement Committee. Floor is yours.","topics_json":"[]","vector_id":"vec_seg_101809_175","created_at":"2026-10-31T08:06:10Z","speaker_name":"Fred A. Neil"},{"id":"seg_101809_176","meeting_id":"101809","media_asset_id":"med_101809_1d70ed02b65b72c2","agenda_item_id":null,"speaker_id":"off_donyale_m_hall","speaker_confidence":0.95,"start_sec":4916.92,"end_sec":4933.42,"text":"Thank you, Council President Neil. I call to order the Parks, Recreation, and Community Enhancement Committee meeting. 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Hall"},{"id":"seg_101809_179","meeting_id":"101809","media_asset_id":"med_101809_1d70ed02b65b72c2","agenda_item_id":null,"speaker_id":"off_david_l_anderson","speaker_confidence":0.95,"start_sec":4942.92,"end_sec":4945.42,"text":"Chairwoman Hall?","topics_json":"[]","vector_id":"vec_seg_101809_179","created_at":"2026-10-31T08:06:10Z","speaker_name":"David L. Anderson"},{"id":"seg_101809_18","meeting_id":"101809","media_asset_id":"med_101809_1d70ed02b65b72c2","agenda_item_id":null,"speaker_id":"off_tricia_k_arndt","speaker_confidence":1,"start_sec":193.64,"end_sec":250.77,"text":"Thank you. I have a few complaints to note. I had several constituents uh raise concerns for trash in the neighborhood, trash and overgrowth. Had someone concerned about sweet peas planted upon request for planting of trees in regard or close to roads, uh and also pretty close to trees are maintained with the power line. Had meetings with constituent services, uh, and have spoken to several constituents about um and concerned about issues with that. But, um, to be optimistic and, um, that pretty much is my report.","topics_json":"[]","vector_id":"vec_seg_101809_18","created_at":"2026-10-31T08:06:10Z","speaker_name":"Tricia K. Arndt"},{"id":"seg_101809_180","meeting_id":"101809","media_asset_id":"med_101809_1d70ed02b65b72c2","agenda_item_id":null,"speaker_id":"off_donyale_m_hall","speaker_confidence":0.95,"start_sec":4945.42,"end_sec":4947.42,"text":"Yes.","topics_json":"[]","vector_id":"vec_seg_101809_180","created_at":"2026-10-31T08:06:11Z","speaker_name":"Donyale M. Hall"},{"id":"seg_101809_181","meeting_id":"101809","media_asset_id":"med_101809_1d70ed02b65b72c2","agenda_item_id":null,"speaker_id":"off_david_l_anderson","speaker_confidence":0.95,"start_sec":4947.42,"end_sec":4961.92,"text":"Question. Is there any new information that's going to be presented that we haven't heard, or is this just a formality because we did not have a quorum the last time?","topics_json":"[]","vector_id":"vec_seg_101809_181","created_at":"2026-10-31T08:06:11Z","speaker_name":"David L. Anderson"},{"id":"seg_101809_182","meeting_id":"101809","media_asset_id":"med_101809_1d70ed02b65b72c2","agenda_item_id":null,"speaker_id":"off_donyale_m_hall","speaker_confidence":0.95,"start_sec":4961.92,"end_sec":4966.92,"text":"I believe we're going to have some additional information that's going to be presented this evening.","topics_json":"[]","vector_id":"vec_seg_101809_182","created_at":"2026-10-31T08:06:11Z","speaker_name":"Donyale M. 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In addition to the packet material which is available to everyone and is quite copious, I read the minutes of the Council Committee of the Whole meeting that I missed due to a not so common cold. I will be voting to approve staff recommendations as the evidence speaks for itself: the failure to to follow federal requirements and state legislature, I mean the city ordinances, and timelines. The main concern that the crux of this is what replaces the lost spaces. I reviewed a proposal presented by Councilman Dr. Sudler, which I support and hope the members of the City Council will support in resolution. It calls for the use of the 150-bed state Morris Correctional Facility, now city empty. The mayor also mentioned the fact that the family court, which is a state property and not ours, also stands empty and could be used. We do need to resolve the problem. I think this Council is interested, is very interested in resolving the problem. And on October the 27th, as Chairman Anderson has mentioned, this is a topic that will be explored very thoroughly. So we're not ignoring the problem, we know that it exists, and we need to have replacements and something perhaps more permanent. I yield, Mr. Chair, Madam Chair.","topics_json":"[\"homelessness\",\"housing\"]","vector_id":"vec_seg_101809_189","created_at":"2026-10-31T08:06:11Z","speaker_name":"Fred A. Neil"},{"id":"seg_101809_19","meeting_id":"101809","media_asset_id":"med_101809_1d70ed02b65b72c2","agenda_item_id":null,"speaker_id":"off_fred_a_neil","speaker_confidence":1,"start_sec":251.42,"end_sec":253.63,"text":"Okay, Councilman Anderson, Fourth District.","topics_json":"[]","vector_id":"vec_seg_101809_19","created_at":"2026-10-31T08:06:10Z","speaker_name":"Fred A. 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So we are on this on this matter in earnest, and I want to thank the state legislators for facilitating a solution to this problem. I yield, Madam Chair.","topics_json":"[\"homelessness\",\"housing\"]","vector_id":"vec_seg_101809_193","created_at":"2026-10-31T08:06:11Z","speaker_name":"Brian E. Lewis"},{"id":"seg_101809_194","meeting_id":"101809","media_asset_id":"med_101809_1d70ed02b65b72c2","agenda_item_id":null,"speaker_id":"off_donyale_m_hall","speaker_confidence":0.95,"start_sec":5146.42,"end_sec":5153.42,"text":"Thank you.","topics_json":"[]","vector_id":"vec_seg_101809_194","created_at":"2026-10-31T08:06:11Z","speaker_name":"Donyale M. 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And this is no, this is not any disrespect from the work that has been done, additional information, but the truth of the matter is, I think I'm I'm I'm putting together copious notes. Information has been provided. I I'm ready to call, I'm ready to call the question to accept staff recommendations.","topics_json":"[]","vector_id":"vec_seg_101809_203","created_at":"2026-10-31T08:06:11Z","speaker_name":"Andre M. Boggerty"},{"id":"seg_101809_204","meeting_id":"101809","media_asset_id":"med_101809_1d70ed02b65b72c2","agenda_item_id":null,"speaker_id":"off_fred_a_neil","speaker_confidence":0.95,"start_sec":5227.42,"end_sec":5234.42,"text":"Yes, well, you have to permit this person to present herself...","topics_json":"[]","vector_id":"vec_seg_101809_204","created_at":"2026-10-31T08:06:11Z","speaker_name":"Fred A. 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I'm not changing the agenda, I'm accepting staff, I'm making a motion to accept staff recommendations to withdraw the previously approved $40,000 from the CDBG allocation for the Neighborhood Community Center renovation project and direct staff to deposit into the 2027 annual action plan process. So that's I wish to call it.","topics_json":"[\"budget\"]","vector_id":"vec_seg_101809_206","created_at":"2026-10-31T08:06:11Z","speaker_name":"Andre M. Boggerty"},{"id":"seg_101809_207","meeting_id":"101809","media_asset_id":"med_101809_1d70ed02b65b72c2","agenda_item_id":null,"speaker_id":"off_donyale_m_hall","speaker_confidence":0.95,"start_sec":5268.42,"end_sec":5270.42,"text":"Is there a second to the motion?","topics_json":"[]","vector_id":"vec_seg_101809_207","created_at":"2026-10-31T08:06:11Z","speaker_name":"Donyale M. 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Hall"},{"id":"seg_101809_211","meeting_id":"101809","media_asset_id":"med_101809_1d70ed02b65b72c2","agenda_item_id":null,"speaker_id":"off_david_l_anderson","speaker_confidence":0.95,"start_sec":5281.42,"end_sec":5317.42,"text":"Thank you, Madam Chair. I would urge members to not do all this before we hear from both sides. The members of the People's Community Center are also here to bring information to address the complaint or the incomplete information, and that's why they've brought quite a bit of information. We'd like to present, I wouldn't recommend we withdraw funding from a center, so thank you.","topics_json":"[\"budget\"]","vector_id":"vec_seg_101809_211","created_at":"2026-10-31T08:06:11Z","speaker_name":"David L. Anderson"},{"id":"seg_101809_212","meeting_id":"101809","media_asset_id":"med_101809_1d70ed02b65b72c2","agenda_item_id":null,"speaker_id":"off_andre_m_boggerty","speaker_confidence":0.9,"start_sec":5317.42,"end_sec":5330.42,"text":"I didn't put it in, they're not specific to...","topics_json":"[]","vector_id":"vec_seg_101809_212","created_at":"2026-10-31T08:06:11Z","speaker_name":"Andre M. Boggerty"},{"id":"seg_101809_213","meeting_id":"101809","media_asset_id":"med_101809_1d70ed02b65b72c2","agenda_item_id":null,"speaker_id":"off_donyale_m_hall","speaker_confidence":0.95,"start_sec":5330.42,"end_sec":5334.42,"text":"Councilwoman Arndt, did you have any further discussion?","topics_json":"[]","vector_id":"vec_seg_101809_213","created_at":"2026-10-31T08:06:11Z","speaker_name":"Donyale M. Hall"},{"id":"seg_101809_214","meeting_id":"101809","media_asset_id":"med_101809_1d70ed02b65b72c2","agenda_item_id":null,"speaker_id":"off_tricia_k_arndt","speaker_confidence":0.95,"start_sec":5334.42,"end_sec":5346.42,"text":"I'd like to provide the opportunity for public comment on the issue, even though we did discuss it at great length at the prior meeting, but there's additional information that we should be hearing.","topics_json":"[]","vector_id":"vec_seg_101809_214","created_at":"2026-10-31T08:06:11Z","speaker_name":"Tricia K. Arndt"},{"id":"seg_101809_215","meeting_id":"101809","media_asset_id":"med_101809_1d70ed02b65b72c2","agenda_item_id":null,"speaker_id":"off_donyale_m_hall","speaker_confidence":0.95,"start_sec":5346.42,"end_sec":5360.42,"text":"Councilman-at-large Boggerty has withdrawn his motion, so we will move forward with the agenda and, Ms. O'Brien, would you kindly brief us? Thank you, ma'am.","topics_json":"[]","vector_id":"vec_seg_101809_215","created_at":"2026-10-31T08:06:11Z","speaker_name":"Donyale M. Hall"},{"id":"seg_101809_216","meeting_id":"101809","media_asset_id":"med_101809_1d70ed02b65b72c2","agenda_item_id":null,"speaker_id":"spk_101809_debbie_o_brien","speaker_confidence":0.95,"start_sec":5360.42,"end_sec":5530.42,"text":"My name's Debbie O'Brien and I'm the Community Development Manager for the city. I first need to correct my response to a question asked by Councilman Sudler at the last meeting. The center did comply with the requirement to obtain a Phase 1 Environmental Site Assessment. With that clarified, I want to be equally clear about the scope of tonight's recommendation, which is strictly limited to whether the city should continue the environmental review process and move forward with releasing the $40,000 allocation for the workforce development renovations project. I won't express all of the other things that I had planned on doing, but for brevity, since my presentation on the 29th of September, I've identified two additional concerns: One is regarding the contractor identified in this reimbursement request. The contract is with MFI Construction Services. In an internet search, the business is not licensed in the state or with the city. It's also not a registered contractor, and the phone number has been disconnected. The other concern that I have is that the organization, People's Community Center, has now publicly stated that it does not intend to pursue the conditional use approval necessary to continue operating the overnight shelter. As a result, the shelter is not expected to operate this winter. The city has already made a substantial federal investment in renovations and shelter-related improvements at the church as part of the ARPA-funded renovations. Those improvements were connected to the intended use of the facility for shelter and services for folks experiencing homelessness. Now that the organization has stated that it doesn't intend to pursue the approval necessary to legally continue that operation, I have to ask: could the same thing happen with this $40,000 allocation? I don't believe that's a question we can simply overlook. If this were only a question of one missing document, one procurement mistake, or one administrative error, I would not be bringing this presentation forward. The city's approach has not been to simply say no. As you can see, the city has worked to find a path forward. The record demonstrates repeated communications explaining requirements, requests for additional documentation, opportunities to correct submissions, and efforts to identify eligible costs in ways that activities could continue to be supported. While we can't undo past discrepancies and deficiencies, the level of concern that remains at this stage of the process compels us to pause and consider all the information we have in front of us. I stand by my recommendation, and I'm happy to answer any questions.","topics_json":"[\"homelessness\",\"housing\",\"code_purple\",\"budget\"]","vector_id":"vec_seg_101809_216","created_at":"2026-10-31T08:06:11Z","speaker_name":"Debbie O'Brien"},{"id":"seg_101809_217","meeting_id":"101809","media_asset_id":"med_101809_1d70ed02b65b72c2","agenda_item_id":null,"speaker_id":"off_fred_a_neil","speaker_confidence":0.95,"start_sec":5530.42,"end_sec":5550.42,"text":"I have no questions, but I just want to say I have read you. I've read a lot! You are a very good author! Let me put it to you this way: I spent a lot of time with you over this weekend.","topics_json":"[]","vector_id":"vec_seg_101809_217","created_at":"2026-10-31T08:06:11Z","speaker_name":"Fred A. Neil"},{"id":"seg_101809_218","meeting_id":"101809","media_asset_id":"med_101809_1d70ed02b65b72c2","agenda_item_id":null,"speaker_id":"spk_101809_debbie_o_brien","speaker_confidence":0.95,"start_sec":5550.42,"end_sec":5551.92,"text":"Thank you.","topics_json":"[]","vector_id":"vec_seg_101809_218","created_at":"2026-10-31T08:06:11Z","speaker_name":"Debbie O'Brien"},{"id":"seg_101809_219","meeting_id":"101809","media_asset_id":"med_101809_1d70ed02b65b72c2","agenda_item_id":null,"speaker_id":"off_fred_a_neil","speaker_confidence":0.95,"start_sec":5551.92,"end_sec":5554.42,"text":"I yield.","topics_json":"[]","vector_id":"vec_seg_101809_219","created_at":"2026-10-31T08:06:11Z","speaker_name":"Fred A. Neil"},{"id":"seg_101809_22","meeting_id":"101809","media_asset_id":"med_101809_1d70ed02b65b72c2","agenda_item_id":null,"speaker_id":"off_roy_sudler_jr","speaker_confidence":1,"start_sec":340.48,"end_sec":435.72,"text":"Thank you. ... downtown, working with the Speech Clinic on that property downtown. Code enforcement officers have been working on conversations, hopefully we can deal with the properties that appear to be occupied, but actually, they're not in compliance, they're abandoned. So, working with them so we can clean up the location of our downtown area. And of course, had hearings with appeals on that property, so we've had a couple of hearings. Other issues we've had, but I'll thank you, thank you, thank you.","topics_json":"[\"housing\",\"business\"]","vector_id":"vec_seg_101809_22","created_at":"2026-10-31T08:06:10Z","speaker_name":"Roy Sudler, Jr."},{"id":"seg_101809_220","meeting_id":"101809","media_asset_id":"med_101809_1d70ed02b65b72c2","agenda_item_id":null,"speaker_id":"off_donyale_m_hall","speaker_confidence":0.95,"start_sec":5554.42,"end_sec":5573.42,"text":"I don't see any further questions. Thank you, Ms. O'Brien, for your presentation. The Chair will recognize Ms. Harris to come back to the Council with those missing elements.","topics_json":"[]","vector_id":"vec_seg_101809_220","created_at":"2026-10-31T08:06:11Z","speaker_name":"Donyale M. Hall"},{"id":"seg_101809_221","meeting_id":"101809","media_asset_id":"med_101809_1d70ed02b65b72c2","agenda_item_id":null,"speaker_id":"spk_101809_sue_harris","speaker_confidence":0.95,"start_sec":5573.42,"end_sec":5898.02,"text":"Sue Harris, coordinator for People's Community Center. First, I want to tell you, Dr. Sudler and I talked about the Morris Correctional years ago, and thrilled that that is coming in place, and I think that's one of the best ways to keep it funny. So we are in full support of that. Um, to bring up just to answer that right to get started here. The overnight shelter is the least favorite of anything that we do there. It takes up four months and it takes everything out of all of us. We do so much in the community center that is not involved with the just the specific overnight shelter. We have people, up to 100 people come in and out of our building a day from the dinners, the free store, um, the the counseling that we do, the help that we have that gets people taken into detox, um we've got showers for people and paint, we've got clothes for them, toilet trees, food. So we're working with people all day and into the evening. So the overnight piece, we are thrilled to have that take. My problem was that there wasn't going to be any other solution. And when that was going to be a problem, that's why we weren't going to be able to do it. We are equipped to do it, and if nobody else was going to step up, we had no choice. So I am thrilled, and we will do anything we can to help get a new site set up for that. So as much as I hope we recover our spent funds, I'm really here and most concerned to correct our public reputation regarding our financial responsibility. We are grateful for all the years in cooperation and collaboration we and the other churches have had in the city over the past decade. Thank you for your years of partially funding our operation with ARPA and CDBG federal pass-through funds, not city funds, ARPA and CDBG pass-through funds. Some people seem to be confused about that. We appreciate the hard work and intelligent, Mrs. O'Brien. We do wish the elected officials will allow her to do her work without the political pressure. We are committed to complying in all ways with federal and state statutes and procedures that we can work together with neighbors, businesses, and other churches and government to help get people off the streets. After review of the documents before you, our own records, and the documents sent to us in the FOIA responses, it appears that we have indeed been compliant with a few exceptions: We did fail to submit the required report as requested, the final report I handed to Mrs. O'Brien when I came in here this evening. There is no way to rectify the fact that that was not submitted in a timely manner. Our inability to access any instructions prevented prohibited proper reporting. And it wasn't until a few weeks ago that we received the blank report that was sent to us to be completed. The other issue we can't resolve is the fact that we used federal requirements for procurement, not the city's. Without any clear instructions, we defaulted to federal regulations, and that was evidently incorrect. By the time we understood the problem, it's a done deal. The city's normal procedure of only paying for grants as reimbursements and only after examining documents for compliance and consistency with the contract has ensured that you have not reimbursed us for any funds which were not determined by your staff to be appropriate, consistent with applicable statute and ordinance, and established procedures at the time. We had no reason to question our guidance. We appreciate Ms. O'Brien's painstaking review of past and present subrecipient agreements and payments, but it appears that there were a number of factual errors in the previous presentation to this body. We ask therefore that you consider only the facts at hand, not the spurious, complex inferences and intersecting motivations that sometimes cloud City Council judgment. Now onto the matter at hand: The renovations that have been completed, completed downstairs in the Neighbors in Need area, the People's Church Community Center. We have had architectural and engineering plans for a four-story building, including all phases of renovation from basement to elevator, $150,000. We've redone 6,000 square foot of new flooring, we painted all basement walls, we've renovated a fully permitted commercial kitchen to include all new NSF commercial grade appliances, shelving, and work table for $94,232 that the ARPA-1 paid for. We added three additional bathrooms, three shower rooms, three a laundry room with two sets of washer and dryer. We renovated an old janitorial work area into a secured storage room. We installed a fire suppression system, sprinkler system, throughout the full basement and paths to the outside exits on the first floor. Total cost of that was $125,000. ARPA paid $59,714 out of ARPA-1. That completed ARPA-1. New lighting around the entire building, cameras and electronic doors security. Demolition of a 125-year-old bowling alley to convert into workforce development and readiness offices. The demolition is complete. It was one heck of a job. Have you ever seen a 125-year-old bowling alley installed before power tools were invented?","topics_json":"[\"homelessness\",\"housing\",\"code_purple\",\"budget\"]","vector_id":"vec_seg_101809_221","created_at":"2026-10-31T08:06:11Z","speaker_name":"Sue Harris"},{"id":"seg_101809_222","meeting_id":"101809","media_asset_id":"med_101809_1d70ed02b65b72c2","agenda_item_id":null,"speaker_id":"spk_101809_valerie_jenkins","speaker_confidence":0.95,"start_sec":5898.02,"end_sec":5914.22,"text":"understand the trouble we have. The construction has not been completed yet, the bowling alley renovation was a total, the old bowling alley renovation is a total of $200,000, the $40,000 that we have there is for the CDBG is now on hold.","topics_json":"[\"budget\",\"homelessness\"]","vector_id":"vec_seg_101809_222","created_at":"2026-10-31T08:06:11Z","speaker_name":"Valerie Jenkins"},{"id":"seg_101809_223","meeting_id":"101809","media_asset_id":"med_101809_1d70ed02b65b72c2","agenda_item_id":null,"speaker_id":"spk_101809_valerie_jenkins","speaker_confidence":0.95,"start_sec":5914.22,"end_sec":5930.72,"text":"We've completed an HVAC replacement building wide all four floors, a total project of $1.1 million, they will be completed this December, this year, according to the time performance sign in the contract with People's Church of Dover.","topics_json":"[\"budget\",\"homelessness\"]","vector_id":"vec_seg_101809_223","created_at":"2026-10-31T08:06:11Z","speaker_name":"Valerie Jenkins"},{"id":"seg_101809_224","meeting_id":"101809","media_asset_id":"med_101809_1d70ed02b65b72c2","agenda_item_id":null,"speaker_id":"spk_101809_valerie_jenkins","speaker_confidence":0.95,"start_sec":5930.72,"end_sec":5951.62,"text":"All ARPA contracts extend December 31st of 2026. So, our ARPA 1 contract done, the commercial kitchen and the sprinkler system, ARPA 2 $63,288 for proposed for salaries, maintenance, utility, paid for in full. We get a letter","topics_json":"[\"budget\",\"homelessness\"]","vector_id":"vec_seg_101809_224","created_at":"2026-10-31T08:06:11Z","speaker_name":"Valerie Jenkins"},{"id":"seg_101809_225","meeting_id":"101809","media_asset_id":"med_101809_1d70ed02b65b72c2","agenda_item_id":null,"speaker_id":"spk_101809_valerie_jenkins","speaker_confidence":0.95,"start_sec":5951.62,"end_sec":5975.22,"text":"from Tracey Harvey telling us how happy she is with us. They came out in uh August 7th, monitored it and their award uh our awards were shown to be in compliance. I'm very pleased with the renovations completed at the shelter to ensure the safety of the homeless. And so, both those grants completed, monitored, paid for and checked off.","topics_json":"[\"homelessness\",\"budget\"]","vector_id":"vec_seg_101809_225","created_at":"2026-10-31T08:06:11Z","speaker_name":"Valerie Jenkins"},{"id":"seg_101809_226","meeting_id":"101809","media_asset_id":"med_101809_1d70ed02b65b72c2","agenda_item_id":null,"speaker_id":"spk_101809_valerie_jenkins","speaker_confidence":0.95,"start_sec":5975.22,"end_sec":5997.72,"text":"In 2025, we get a call from the city that there's ARPA funds that another organization is not able to spend. They had it in 20 got it in '22, they couldn't spend it, they suggested we take it because we know what we're doing with our money. The city also agreed with that. So, they called and said, \"Can you please take this $63,000 because we need it spent fast and we know you can do it.\"","topics_json":"[\"budget\",\"homelessness\"]","vector_id":"vec_seg_101809_226","created_at":"2026-10-31T08:06:11Z","speaker_name":"Valerie Jenkins"},{"id":"seg_101809_227","meeting_id":"101809","media_asset_id":"med_101809_1d70ed02b65b72c2","agenda_item_id":null,"speaker_id":"spk_101809_valerie_jenkins","speaker_confidence":0.95,"start_sec":5997.72,"end_sec":6011.12,"text":"So, we went ahead, we accepted the money, that took care of paying for salaries, cots, make bunk beds, we still have about $17,000 left that we can put into reimbursement, because again that doesn't end till December 31st of '26.","topics_json":"[\"budget\",\"homelessness\"]","vector_id":"vec_seg_101809_227","created_at":"2026-10-31T08:06:11Z","speaker_name":"Valerie Jenkins"},{"id":"seg_101809_228","meeting_id":"101809","media_asset_id":"med_101809_1d70ed02b65b72c2","agenda_item_id":null,"speaker_id":"spk_101809_valerie_jenkins","speaker_confidence":0.95,"start_sec":6011.12,"end_sec":6021.62,"text":"The C the C FY 25 CDBG $40,000 for renovations, we all know where that sits, and the $22,000 for operations is also pending.","topics_json":"[\"budget\",\"homelessness\"]","vector_id":"vec_seg_101809_228","created_at":"2026-10-31T08:06:11Z","speaker_name":"Valerie Jenkins"},{"id":"seg_101809_229","meeting_id":"101809","media_asset_id":"med_101809_1d70ed02b65b72c2","agenda_item_id":null,"speaker_id":"spk_101809_valerie_jenkins","speaker_confidence":0.95,"start_sec":6021.62,"end_sec":6057.32,"text":"So, in total, we got $277,941 in ARPA money, $62,700 in CDBG money of which 40,000 is being withheld. So, we've got about a million and a half dollar projects all told that ARPA and CDBG have donated about $340,000 for, the rest of it, majority of it has come from our pocket, our congregation. So, the idea that we did not put in our portion is extremely not true.","topics_json":"[\"budget\",\"homelessness\"]","vector_id":"vec_seg_101809_229","created_at":"2026-10-31T08:06:11Z","speaker_name":"Valerie Jenkins"},{"id":"seg_101809_23","meeting_id":"101809","media_asset_id":"med_101809_1d70ed02b65b72c2","agenda_item_id":null,"speaker_id":"off_fred_a_neil","speaker_confidence":1,"start_sec":435.99,"end_sec":438.75,"text":"Thank you. Councilman Lewis, are you unmuted now?","topics_json":"[]","vector_id":"vec_seg_101809_23","created_at":"2026-10-31T08:06:10Z","speaker_name":"Fred A. Neil"},{"id":"seg_101809_230","meeting_id":"101809","media_asset_id":"med_101809_1d70ed02b65b72c2","agenda_item_id":null,"speaker_id":"spk_101809_valerie_jenkins","speaker_confidence":0.95,"start_sec":6057.32,"end_sec":6108.62,"text":"When the FY 25 CDBG award was issued and the subrecipient contract was signed, the city's Community Development Manager was Tracey Harvey. She told us that we must fulfill federal compliance standards rather than those standards if the money were from the city budget. CDBG money is federal money. The federal requirement, she said, was that the awards over the amount of $50,000 required that three bids be submitted, since our award money was only $40,000 three bids would not be required. We did nonetheless con- consult with three contractors. The first two who looked at the Becker Morgan plans","topics_json":"[\"budget\",\"homelessness\"]","vector_id":"vec_seg_101809_230","created_at":"2026-10-31T08:06:11Z","speaker_name":"Valerie Jenkins"},{"id":"seg_101809_231","meeting_id":"101809","media_asset_id":"med_101809_1d70ed02b65b72c2","agenda_item_id":null,"speaker_id":"spk_101809_valerie_jenkins","speaker_confidence":0.95,"start_sec":6108.62,"end_sec":6126.62,"text":"that we paid for in '22 chose not to bid because it was a heck of a project, so we turned to the Development Director of the Downtown Dover Partnership to ask for a recommendation. He recommended Amber Epperson of MFI Construction.","topics_json":"[\"business\",\"homelessness\"]","vector_id":"vec_seg_101809_231","created_at":"2026-10-31T08:06:11Z","speaker_name":"Valerie Jenkins"},{"id":"seg_101809_232","meeting_id":"101809","media_asset_id":"med_101809_1d70ed02b65b72c2","agenda_item_id":null,"speaker_id":"spk_101809_valerie_jenkins","speaker_confidence":0.95,"start_sec":6126.62,"end_sec":6143.92,"text":"We signed a contract with her and made two initial payments totaling approximately $53,000. We submitted the contract and proof of payment to Mrs. O'Brien in the spring of '26 and requested reimbursement, none was made. After requesting reimbursement,","topics_json":"[\"budget\",\"homelessness\"]","vector_id":"vec_seg_101809_232","created_at":"2026-10-31T08:06:11Z","speaker_name":"Valerie Jenkins"},{"id":"seg_101809_233","meeting_id":"101809","media_asset_id":"med_101809_1d70ed02b65b72c2","agenda_item_id":null,"speaker_id":"spk_101809_valerie_jenkins","speaker_confidence":0.95,"start_sec":6143.92,"end_sec":6159.22,"text":"Mrs. O'Brien asked us to send her a letter explaining why we did not have the three bids and how we'd selected MFI. We did send such an explanation and in her timeline, Mrs. O'Brien acknowledged timely receipt of it.","topics_json":"[\"budget\",\"homelessness\"]","vector_id":"vec_seg_101809_233","created_at":"2026-10-31T08:06:11Z","speaker_name":"Valerie Jenkins"},{"id":"seg_101809_234","meeting_id":"101809","media_asset_id":"med_101809_1d70ed02b65b72c2","agenda_item_id":null,"speaker_id":"spk_101809_valerie_jenkins","speaker_confidence":0.95,"start_sec":6159.22,"end_sec":6184.72,"text":"When she and Mrs. O'Brien conducted their visit in the fall of '25, Miss Harvey explained that we would be held to the federal standards of compliance which required lead paint testing and abatement if necessary, and a tier-one environmental review, she stated that those services would be paid by the CDBG award $40,000. The work was performed in a timely fashion in November","topics_json":"[\"budget\",\"homelessness\"]","vector_id":"vec_seg_101809_234","created_at":"2026-10-31T08:06:11Z","speaker_name":"Valerie Jenkins"},{"id":"seg_101809_235","meeting_id":"101809","media_asset_id":"med_101809_1d70ed02b65b72c2","agenda_item_id":null,"speaker_id":"spk_101809_valerie_jenkins","speaker_confidence":0.95,"start_sec":6184.72,"end_sec":6205.72,"text":"and December of '25, only 2 months after the subrecipient agreement was signed. Cover letter and reimbursement requests were submitted to the city as proof of payment. The city has never acquired reimbursed to People's Community Center $17,100 for those expenditures. No bid was involved in the lead abatement.","topics_json":"[\"budget\",\"homelessness\"]","vector_id":"vec_seg_101809_235","created_at":"2026-10-31T08:06:11Z","speaker_name":"Valerie Jenkins"},{"id":"seg_101809_236","meeting_id":"101809","media_asset_id":"med_101809_1d70ed02b65b72c2","agenda_item_id":null,"speaker_id":"spk_101809_valerie_jenkins","speaker_confidence":0.95,"start_sec":6205.72,"end_sec":6228.12,"text":"The city is also obligated to reimburse People's Community Center $22,900, a portion of the $53,000 that we spent for the demolition that would take them up to the award of $40,000. The city employee who signed the award letter was satisfied, reimbursed the money spent and issued a letter in which he confirmed they were fully in compliant, thanked us for our service.","topics_json":"[\"budget\",\"homelessness\"]","vector_id":"vec_seg_101809_236","created_at":"2026-10-31T08:06:11Z","speaker_name":"Valerie Jenkins"},{"id":"seg_101809_237","meeting_id":"101809","media_asset_id":"med_101809_1d70ed02b65b72c2","agenda_item_id":null,"speaker_id":"spk_101809_valerie_jenkins","speaker_confidence":0.95,"start_sec":6228.12,"end_sec":6253.22,"text":"The HVAC renovation also cost far more than anticipated. The congregation has paid Diamond Engineering to complete the work in the amount of $1.1 million. Thus, the congregation did complete its part of the agreement to spend at least $153,978 in matching funds.","topics_json":"[\"budget\",\"homelessness\"]","vector_id":"vec_seg_101809_237","created_at":"2026-10-31T08:06:11Z","speaker_name":"Valerie Jenkins"},{"id":"seg_101809_238","meeting_id":"101809","media_asset_id":"med_101809_1d70ed02b65b72c2","agenda_item_id":null,"speaker_id":"spk_101809_valerie_jenkins","speaker_confidence":0.95,"start_sec":6253.22,"end_sec":6275.22,"text":"All these expenditures and work will be completed prior to the time of the performance date on page two of the subrecipient agreement between the City of Dover and People's Church of Dover. Not community center, Church of Dover. In '22 there was no community center. Services of the subrecipient shall start on the 27th day of April 2022 and end on the 31st day of December 2026.","topics_json":"[\"budget\",\"homelessness\"]","vector_id":"vec_seg_101809_238","created_at":"2026-10-31T08:06:11Z","speaker_name":"Valerie Jenkins"},{"id":"seg_101809_239","meeting_id":"101809","media_asset_id":"med_101809_1d70ed02b65b72c2","agenda_item_id":null,"speaker_id":"spk_101809_valerie_jenkins","speaker_confidence":0.95,"start_sec":6275.22,"end_sec":6316.02,"text":"Reports, procurement, and end of contract requirements are vital aspects of any grant. In my career, I managed 19 different federal, state, and local grants per year for 30 years worth well over $100 million. And grant applications always, without exception, include detailed instructions of what the reporting, procurement, and document retention requirements are. Most of the time it's part of the RFP, so that the potential grantees can decide if they have the capacity to fulfill these requirements before they even apply.","topics_json":"[\"budget\"]","vector_id":"vec_seg_101809_239","created_at":"2026-10-31T08:06:11Z","speaker_name":"Valerie Jenkins"},{"id":"seg_101809_24","meeting_id":"101809","media_asset_id":"med_101809_1d70ed02b65b72c2","agenda_item_id":null,"speaker_id":"off_brian_e_lewis","speaker_confidence":1,"start_sec":440.78,"end_sec":441.53,"text":"Can you guys hear me?","topics_json":"[]","vector_id":"vec_seg_101809_24","created_at":"2026-10-31T08:06:10Z","speaker_name":"Brian E. Lewis"},{"id":"seg_101809_240","meeting_id":"101809","media_asset_id":"med_101809_1d70ed02b65b72c2","agenda_item_id":null,"speaker_id":"spk_101809_valerie_jenkins","speaker_confidence":0.95,"start_sec":6316.02,"end_sec":6336.42,"text":"For these city-managed federal grants, I've been unable to find these instructions anywhere, certainly not attached to the application. The instructions I am able to find to understand how to manage these federal funds is on the federal CDBG website where their procurement requirements clearly state that the bid is required for any project over 50,000.","topics_json":"[\"budget\"]","vector_id":"vec_seg_101809_240","created_at":"2026-10-31T08:06:11Z","speaker_name":"Valerie Jenkins"},{"id":"seg_101809_241","meeting_id":"101809","media_asset_id":"med_101809_1d70ed02b65b72c2","agenda_item_id":null,"speaker_id":"spk_101809_valerie_jenkins","speaker_confidence":0.95,"start_sec":6336.42,"end_sec":6366.92,"text":"We obviously underst- understood that requirement because we received three bids for our kitchen project in 2022. The fact that Mrs. O'Brien uses the city procurement threshold of 10,000 should have been clearly explained and included in the instructions for reporting and procurement requirements along with the application. With no guidance available in the paperwork and online, we defaulted to the federal guidelines.","topics_json":"[\"budget\"]","vector_id":"vec_seg_101809_241","created_at":"2026-10-31T08:06:11Z","speaker_name":"Valerie Jenkins"},{"id":"seg_101809_242","meeting_id":"101809","media_asset_id":"med_101809_1d70ed02b65b72c2","agenda_item_id":null,"speaker_id":"spk_101809_valerie_jenkins","speaker_confidence":0.95,"start_sec":6366.92,"end_sec":6384.22,"text":"Yes, there are inevitable changes in timelines and specifics from the original application when you're working with competitive grants that might not be successful. There was never a change of focus of the homeless shelter operations and renovations of the space to be used for the homeless services.","topics_json":"[\"homelessness\",\"budget\"]","vector_id":"vec_seg_101809_242","created_at":"2026-10-31T08:06:11Z","speaker_name":"Valerie Jenkins"},{"id":"seg_101809_243","meeting_id":"101809","media_asset_id":"med_101809_1d70ed02b65b72c2","agenda_item_id":null,"speaker_id":"spk_101809_valerie_jenkins","speaker_confidence":0.95,"start_sec":6384.22,"end_sec":6408.92,"text":"In 2022, we were still dealing with COVID, contractors were difficult to find, delays happened regularly and prices skyrocketed, so we had to be flexible. Also in the grant world, although you might list a funding opportunity on a grant application, there is no guarantee you'll be successful. When you aren't successful, you have to be able to pivot, realign your priority, go back to your backup plan and proceed.","topics_json":"[\"budget\"]","vector_id":"vec_seg_101809_243","created_at":"2026-10-31T08:06:11Z","speaker_name":"Valerie Jenkins"},{"id":"seg_101809_244","meeting_id":"101809","media_asset_id":"med_101809_1d70ed02b65b72c2","agenda_item_id":null,"speaker_id":"spk_101809_valerie_jenkins","speaker_confidence":0.95,"start_sec":6408.92,"end_sec":6419.42,"text":"For instance, if you lose your funding for demolition but receive the funding for construction, you'll probably have to pivot and make adjustments. It doesn't change the project, but it does affect your timing and progress.","topics_json":"[\"budget\"]","vector_id":"vec_seg_101809_244","created_at":"2026-10-31T08:06:11Z","speaker_name":"Valerie Jenkins"},{"id":"seg_101809_245","meeting_id":"101809","media_asset_id":"med_101809_1d70ed02b65b72c2","agenda_item_id":null,"speaker_id":"spk_101809_valerie_jenkins","speaker_confidence":0.95,"start_sec":6419.42,"end_sec":6449.42,"text":"The hesitation and unjustified accusations caused upcoming funders to hesitate, and many denied funding that had previously been unquestioned. Because of these bogus accusations, if funders worry that the city would not allow our program to continue, why would they want to send us money? These complaints continued to grow out of control without any backed-up from the city. Even city officials said horrid, unfounded things without any evidence or investigation.","topics_json":"[\"homelessness\",\"budget\"]","vector_id":"vec_seg_101809_245","created_at":"2026-10-31T08:06:11Z","speaker_name":"Valerie Jenkins"},{"id":"seg_101809_246","meeting_id":"101809","media_asset_id":"med_101809_1d70ed02b65b72c2","agenda_item_id":null,"speaker_id":"spk_101809_valerie_jenkins","speaker_confidence":0.95,"start_sec":6449.42,"end_sec":6485.42,"text":"City officials have since admitted, none of the complaints were applicable to us. Yeah, that came from city officials to me, none of these complaints were anything we'd been doing. All this caused politicians to retreat, and as in one instance, Senator Paradee changed course and denied our homeless services grant-in-aid funding, yes they received, we were receiving our children's program funding, that we have counted on for years for operations. So to be clear, up until mid-June, we were still expecting this promised source of funding.","topics_json":"[\"homelessness\",\"budget\"]","vector_id":"vec_seg_101809_246","created_at":"2026-10-31T08:06:11Z","speaker_name":"Valerie Jenkins"},{"id":"seg_101809_247","meeting_id":"101809","media_asset_id":"med_101809_1d70ed02b65b72c2","agenda_item_id":null,"speaker_id":"spk_101809_valerie_jenkins","speaker_confidence":0.95,"start_sec":6485.42,"end_sec":6533.32,"text":"This was a source of funding that we have documented on other grants and applications as is common practice when applications are pending. It is generally asked when an application is submitted if other funding sources are submitted, pending, awarded, or received. A project timeline needs to be fairly flexible as long as you're staying within the grant period. Sometime there needs to be adjustments to the project according to the funding opportunities that are successful. Sometimes you find out that you need environmental studies done and that a portion of your award has to go towards that unexpected expense, and you then have to make adjustments in the budget and the timeline.","topics_json":"[\"budget\"]","vector_id":"vec_seg_101809_247","created_at":"2026-10-31T08:06:11Z","speaker_name":"Valerie Jenkins"},{"id":"seg_101809_248","meeting_id":"101809","media_asset_id":"med_101809_1d70ed02b65b72c2","agenda_item_id":null,"speaker_id":"spk_101809_valerie_jenkins","speaker_confidence":0.95,"start_sec":6533.32,"end_sec":6553.22,"text":"These are the sort of things that can change your timeline and add expenses that were not included in your original budget and adjust some expectations. But one thing never changed, is the focus and the objectives that we are trying to meet with this proposal.","topics_json":"[\"budget\"]","vector_id":"vec_seg_101809_248","created_at":"2026-10-31T08:06:11Z","speaker_name":"Valerie Jenkins"},{"id":"seg_101809_249","meeting_id":"101809","media_asset_id":"med_101809_1d70ed02b65b72c2","agenda_item_id":null,"speaker_id":"spk_101809_valerie_jenkins","speaker_confidence":0.95,"start_sec":6553.22,"end_sec":6592.72,"text":"Meeting the CDBG objectives is not of any concern either as was mentioned many times in this attempt to find issues. Uh the operations grant complies with 570.208(a)(2)(i)(A) and 570.201(e), and the renovations grant complies with site 570.208(a)(1)(i)(c) and 570.201(c). These objectives are thoroughly met with all aspects of our projects.","topics_json":"[\"budget\",\"zoning\",\"homelessness\"]","vector_id":"vec_seg_101809_249","created_at":"2026-10-31T08:06:11Z","speaker_name":"Valerie Jenkins"},{"id":"seg_101809_25","meeting_id":"101809","media_asset_id":"med_101809_1d70ed02b65b72c2","agenda_item_id":null,"speaker_id":"off_fred_a_neil","speaker_confidence":1,"start_sec":441.67,"end_sec":442.92,"text":"Yes, sir. You're on now.","topics_json":"[]","vector_id":"vec_seg_101809_25","created_at":"2026-10-31T08:06:10Z","speaker_name":"Fred A. Neil"},{"id":"seg_101809_250","meeting_id":"101809","media_asset_id":"med_101809_1d70ed02b65b72c2","agenda_item_id":null,"speaker_id":"spk_101809_valerie_jenkins","speaker_confidence":0.95,"start_sec":6592.72,"end_sec":6624.72,"text":"So, in summary, the 2022 agreement was made with the church, not the community center. It is not appropriate to deny promised funding to one corporation because of a claim of noncompliance related to another corporation. The city's representatives mailed us a letter in '23 in which she states that our contractual obligations were met and the agreement is now fulfilled. The church did, in fact, spend a million dollars more than it was required to spend according to the subrecipient agreement in facility renovation.","topics_json":"[\"budget\",\"homelessness\"]","vector_id":"vec_seg_101809_250","created_at":"2026-10-31T08:06:11Z","speaker_name":"Valerie Jenkins"},{"id":"seg_101809_251","meeting_id":"101809","media_asset_id":"med_101809_1d70ed02b65b72c2","agenda_item_id":null,"speaker_id":"spk_101809_valerie_jenkins","speaker_confidence":0.95,"start_sec":6624.72,"end_sec":6641.62,"text":"City, therefore, has no justification to use this funding cycle's performance as an excuse to deny its contractual obligations to the community center under its 2025 agreement. I'm happy to take some questions and I have some papers to hand out to everyone.","topics_json":"[\"budget\",\"homelessness\"]","vector_id":"vec_seg_101809_251","created_at":"2026-10-31T08:06:11Z","speaker_name":"Valerie Jenkins"},{"id":"seg_101809_252","meeting_id":"101809","media_asset_id":"med_101809_1d70ed02b65b72c2","agenda_item_id":null,"speaker_id":"off_tricia_k_arndt","speaker_confidence":0.95,"start_sec":6641.62,"end_sec":6652.72,"text":"Thank you for your presentation Ms. Aris. Um we'll turn it around to councilwoman Arndt. Thank you uh","topics_json":"[\"homelessness\"]","vector_id":"vec_seg_101809_252","created_at":"2026-10-31T08:06:11Z","speaker_name":"Tricia K. Arndt"},{"id":"seg_101809_253","meeting_id":"101809","media_asset_id":"med_101809_1d70ed02b65b72c2","agenda_item_id":null,"speaker_id":"off_tricia_k_arndt","speaker_confidence":0.95,"start_sec":6652.72,"end_sec":6674.42,"text":"Thank you, Ms. Aris. Um, I just want to clarify a few things. I think there's been a lot of misunderstanding on both sides and uh I think we can do a better job of learning from past mistakes and making sure that we have those open lines of communication. Um,","topics_json":"[\"homelessness\"]","vector_id":"vec_seg_101809_253","created_at":"2026-10-31T08:06:11Z","speaker_name":"Tricia K. Arndt"},{"id":"seg_101809_254","meeting_id":"101809","media_asset_id":"med_101809_1d70ed02b65b72c2","agenda_item_id":null,"speaker_id":"off_tricia_k_arndt","speaker_confidence":0.95,"start_sec":6674.42,"end_sec":6721.12,"text":"in March, when we reviewed a proposal for 30 $36,000 for the workforce development program, um as you know, we we denied that application, there was a lot of angst and anger and uh press coverage that I thought was erroneous. Um when I voted in the negative to to deny that application, it was based on the merits of the application. I did not feel that the workforce development program demonstrated sustainability over time, um the way it was uh proposed, most of the funding seemed to be coming from the city. It wasn't demonstrated where the other funds were coming, um","topics_json":"[\"budget\"]","vector_id":"vec_seg_101809_254","created_at":"2026-10-31T08:06:11Z","speaker_name":"Tricia K. Arndt"},{"id":"seg_101809_255","meeting_id":"101809","media_asset_id":"med_101809_1d70ed02b65b72c2","agenda_item_id":null,"speaker_id":"off_tricia_k_arndt","speaker_confidence":0.95,"start_sec":6721.12,"end_sec":6741.92,"text":"typically with issuance of a grant, I'm not comfortable with issuing seed money for a program without understanding how the program's going to to you know uh I'm more comfortable with issuing money for a capital improvement, um that you can see those receipts and and and moves forward. So just to clarify, um my decision on that was based on the grant application,","topics_json":"[\"budget\"]","vector_id":"vec_seg_101809_255","created_at":"2026-10-31T08:06:11Z","speaker_name":"Tricia K. Arndt"},{"id":"seg_101809_256","meeting_id":"101809","media_asset_id":"med_101809_1d70ed02b65b72c2","agenda_item_id":null,"speaker_id":"off_tricia_k_arndt","speaker_confidence":0.95,"start_sec":6741.92,"end_sec":6756.92,"text":"not in any way, shape, or form on the performance, or the the issues, or concerns about about the homeless shelter. I have not wanted to see the shelter closed. I think that the services they provide, and the form is is necessary.","topics_json":"[\"homelessness\"]","vector_id":"vec_seg_101809_256","created_at":"2026-10-31T08:06:11Z","speaker_name":"Tricia K. Arndt"},{"id":"seg_101809_257","meeting_id":"101809","media_asset_id":"med_101809_1d70ed02b65b72c2","agenda_item_id":null,"speaker_id":"off_tricia_k_arndt","speaker_confidence":0.95,"start_sec":6756.92,"end_sec":6776.52,"text":"Um I understand the community's complaints. Um certainly, we would like to see the shelter operate in a way that it is peacefully within the neighborhood, and the the operations are cohesive, and the neighbors are happy. I'm surprised to hear you say that","topics_json":"[\"homelessness\"]","vector_id":"vec_seg_101809_257","created_at":"2026-10-31T08:06:11Z","speaker_name":"Tricia K. Arndt"},{"id":"seg_101809_258","meeting_id":"101809","media_asset_id":"med_101809_1d70ed02b65b72c2","agenda_item_id":null,"speaker_id":"off_tricia_k_arndt","speaker_confidence":0.95,"start_sec":6776.52,"end_sec":6796.62,"text":"you do not want to operate the shelter, and that you were okay with not pursuing the conditional use to continue to open the shelter. Could you because last night, we took a lot of heat from the public um that, you know, the city had, you know, done bad, terrible things to shut the shelter down. And it sounds like the shelter does not want to continue operating.","topics_json":"[\"homelessness\",\"zoning\"]","vector_id":"vec_seg_101809_258","created_at":"2026-10-31T08:06:11Z","speaker_name":"Tricia K. Arndt"},{"id":"seg_101809_259","meeting_id":"101809","media_asset_id":"med_101809_1d70ed02b65b72c2","agenda_item_id":null,"speaker_id":"off_tricia_k_arndt","speaker_confidence":0.95,"start_sec":6796.62,"end_sec":6805.32,"text":"And you had the opportunity to do the conditional use to continue those operations within that part of the process, but you chose not to. Can you expand on that?","topics_json":"[\"zoning\",\"homelessness\"]","vector_id":"vec_seg_101809_259","created_at":"2026-10-31T08:06:11Z","speaker_name":"Tricia K. Arndt"},{"id":"seg_101809_26","meeting_id":"101809","media_asset_id":"med_101809_1d70ed02b65b72c2","agenda_item_id":null,"speaker_id":"off_brian_e_lewis","speaker_confidence":1,"start_sec":443.24,"end_sec":446.32,"text":"Okay. This is for district report, all right?","topics_json":"[]","vector_id":"vec_seg_101809_26","created_at":"2026-10-31T08:06:10Z","speaker_name":"Brian E. Lewis"},{"id":"seg_101809_260","meeting_id":"101809","media_asset_id":"med_101809_1d70ed02b65b72c2","agenda_item_id":null,"speaker_id":"spk_101809_valerie_jenkins","speaker_confidence":0.95,"start_sec":6805.32,"end_sec":6815.42,"text":"I can. Sure.","topics_json":"[\"homelessness\"]","vector_id":"vec_seg_101809_260","created_at":"2026-10-31T08:06:11Z","speaker_name":"Valerie Jenkins"},{"id":"seg_101809_261","meeting_id":"101809","media_asset_id":"med_101809_1d70ed02b65b72c2","agenda_item_id":null,"speaker_id":"spk_101809_valerie_jenkins","speaker_confidence":0.95,"start_sec":6815.42,"end_sec":6830.72,"text":"So, because of um the original history, we know we've like places like this. And that was fine, we're happy, and everybody was happy. COVID came, every other church backed down, all of the backed down, it happened to be in our building during COVID shutdown.","topics_json":"[\"homelessness\"]","vector_id":"vec_seg_101809_261","created_at":"2026-10-31T08:06:11Z","speaker_name":"Valerie Jenkins"},{"id":"seg_101809_262","meeting_id":"101809","media_asset_id":"med_101809_1d70ed02b65b72c2","agenda_item_id":null,"speaker_id":"spk_101809_valerie_jenkins","speaker_confidence":0.95,"start_sec":6830.72,"end_sec":6849.12,"text":"So, we kind of, what are we going to do at this point, and we accommodated. The next year comes, none of the churches open. For the next 2 or 3 years, we just slowly kind of became the emergency shelter on our own, paying for that, with no funding at all.","topics_json":"[\"homelessness\",\"code_purple\"]","vector_id":"vec_seg_101809_262","created_at":"2026-10-31T08:06:11Z","speaker_name":"Valerie Jenkins"},{"id":"seg_101809_263","meeting_id":"101809","media_asset_id":"med_101809_1d70ed02b65b72c2","agenda_item_id":null,"speaker_id":"spk_101809_valerie_jenkins","speaker_confidence":0.95,"start_sec":6849.12,"end_sec":6872.72,"text":"It is not our favorite piece, it is the one piece that caused us more issues than anything. We have so much more we would like to do to get people off the streets and get and to to get give them paths into a better future. And it seems like to be constantly tangled up in this, would be throwing sandwiches at people and clothes, and just saying you know, keep it moving.","topics_json":"[\"homelessness\"]","vector_id":"vec_seg_101809_263","created_at":"2026-10-31T08:06:11Z","speaker_name":"Valerie Jenkins"},{"id":"seg_101809_264","meeting_id":"101809","media_asset_id":"med_101809_1d70ed02b65b72c2","agenda_item_id":null,"speaker_id":"spk_101809_valerie_jenkins","speaker_confidence":0.95,"start_sec":6872.72,"end_sec":6902.92,"text":"And that's really not where we want to be. Um we don't there should not be any more shelters established because this is just like putting chairs in the emergency room of a hospital, we need transitional housing, we need more housing for people and you know affordable housing. So um I I'm not in any way I'm I'm not a proponent for more sheltering, but the emergency sheltering in this town is you know it falls to none. You've got the women going at uh at Division Street, Maranatha, and you got us.","topics_json":"[\"homelessness\",\"housing\"]","vector_id":"vec_seg_101809_264","created_at":"2026-10-31T08:06:11Z","speaker_name":"Valerie Jenkins"},{"id":"seg_101809_265","meeting_id":"101809","media_asset_id":"med_101809_1d70ed02b65b72c2","agenda_item_id":null,"speaker_id":"spk_101809_valerie_jenkins","speaker_confidence":0.95,"start_sec":6902.92,"end_sec":6924.02,"text":"That's what the problem was. If there had been right off the get-go, hey, we got a better idea than what People's Church has. I've already met with Matt Heckles from the Sheridan. Nobody else seems to have any ingenuity to do this. I got a hold of him, him and I met. I pleaded with him. I said, \"We got cots, we got bedding, I got volunteers, I'll help you get it set up.\"","topics_json":"[\"homelessness\"]","vector_id":"vec_seg_101809_265","created_at":"2026-10-31T08:06:11Z","speaker_name":"Valerie Jenkins"},{"id":"seg_101809_266","meeting_id":"101809","media_asset_id":"med_101809_1d70ed02b65b72c2","agenda_item_id":null,"speaker_id":"spk_101809_valerie_jenkins","speaker_confidence":0.95,"start_sec":6924.02,"end_sec":6943.22,"text":"This drags us down. Everybody back here, they just want the folks to have a place to go. It isn't personal to coming to us. They love everything else we do, we want to continue to do all these wonderful things, but the idea that at overnight might go somewhere else,","topics_json":"[\"homelessness\"]","vector_id":"vec_seg_101809_266","created_at":"2026-10-31T08:06:11Z","speaker_name":"Valerie Jenkins"},{"id":"seg_101809_267","meeting_id":"101809","media_asset_id":"med_101809_1d70ed02b65b72c2","agenda_item_id":null,"speaker_id":"spk_101809_valerie_jenkins","speaker_confidence":0.95,"start_sec":6943.22,"end_sec":6965.82,"text":"I pleaded with the Salvation Army. Senator Buckson and I tried to find to get a way to do overflow, cuz we were up to 80 people at one point. I had women in the building, and I couldn't, and so forced them to shelter them. So, we've never needed to be a shelter, I never set out to be, we never applied to be, we don't want to put in a variance because we've never had to.","topics_json":"[\"homelessness\",\"zoning\"]","vector_id":"vec_seg_101809_267","created_at":"2026-10-31T08:06:11Z","speaker_name":"Valerie Jenkins"},{"id":"seg_101809_268","meeting_id":"101809","media_asset_id":"med_101809_1d70ed02b65b72c2","agenda_item_id":null,"speaker_id":"spk_101809_valerie_jenkins","speaker_confidence":0.95,"start_sec":6965.82,"end_sec":6990.32,"text":"It's part of the consolidated plan for the City of Dover. It's always been an agreement, that when there and this is all over the state, the fire marshal has a state fire marshal Code Purple directive that opens up non-conforming places for just these emergencies. It makes no sense to put the city staff, thousands of dollars in staff time,","topics_json":"[\"code_purple\",\"homelessness\",\"zoning\"]","vector_id":"vec_seg_101809_268","created_at":"2026-10-31T08:06:11Z","speaker_name":"Valerie Jenkins"},{"id":"seg_101809_269","meeting_id":"101809","media_asset_id":"med_101809_1d70ed02b65b72c2","agenda_item_id":null,"speaker_id":"spk_101809_valerie_jenkins","speaker_confidence":0.95,"start_sec":6990.32,"end_sec":7009.42,"text":"the months and months it takes, and if it depends on a neighborhood public hearing, we're probably going to suffer. Uh and probably won't even be successful, for what? And then that all that talk about is changing what our um building use is, and now all of a sudden we can be a shelter. I don't want that fight.","topics_json":"[\"zoning\",\"homelessness\"]","vector_id":"vec_seg_101809_269","created_at":"2026-10-31T08:06:11Z","speaker_name":"Valerie Jenkins"},{"id":"seg_101809_27","meeting_id":"101809","media_asset_id":"med_101809_1d70ed02b65b72c2","agenda_item_id":null,"speaker_id":"off_fred_a_neil","speaker_confidence":1,"start_sec":446.39,"end_sec":448.5,"text":"Correct. Second District, you're clear.","topics_json":"[]","vector_id":"vec_seg_101809_27","created_at":"2026-10-31T08:06:10Z","speaker_name":"Fred A. Neil"},{"id":"seg_101809_270","meeting_id":"101809","media_asset_id":"med_101809_1d70ed02b65b72c2","agenda_item_id":null,"speaker_id":"spk_101809_valerie_jenkins","speaker_confidence":0.95,"start_sec":7009.42,"end_sec":7029.02,"text":"I'm told, I can't tell you how many times a day somebody asked me, why can't you just be a shelter all year long? No, no, thank you, and we don't want to be permitted to be able to be. And if we go through all that process, I lose that argument too. So no, we want to be an emergency shelter if there is no other options.","topics_json":"[\"homelessness\",\"zoning\"]","vector_id":"vec_seg_101809_270","created_at":"2026-10-31T08:06:11Z","speaker_name":"Valerie Jenkins"},{"id":"seg_101809_271","meeting_id":"101809","media_asset_id":"med_101809_1d70ed02b65b72c2","agenda_item_id":null,"speaker_id":"spk_101809_valerie_jenkins","speaker_confidence":0.95,"start_sec":7029.02,"end_sec":7046.02,"text":"We worked with the other options when there was some. I've gone out myself to find other options because it's overwhelming. We're only supposed to have, we've got space really for 30 guys. Never do we have less than 50 or 60. They come from the woodworks.","topics_json":"[\"homelessness\"]","vector_id":"vec_seg_101809_271","created_at":"2026-10-31T08:06:11Z","speaker_name":"Valerie Jenkins"},{"id":"seg_101809_272","meeting_id":"101809","media_asset_id":"med_101809_1d70ed02b65b72c2","agenda_item_id":null,"speaker_id":"spk_101809_valerie_jenkins","speaker_confidence":0.95,"start_sec":7046.02,"end_sec":7068.82,"text":"So, we uh more correctional could not be a more perfect place. We were, a couple of years ago it was going to be used for training, they wouldn't do it, I got with a couple of people related into Department of Corrections, you know, well that won't work. I hope so much. It's got rooms, kitchens, showers, everything that we would need. It's in a good location, I really hope that works.","topics_json":"[\"homelessness\",\"housing\"]","vector_id":"vec_seg_101809_272","created_at":"2026-10-31T08:06:11Z","speaker_name":"Valerie Jenkins"},{"id":"seg_101809_273","meeting_id":"101809","media_asset_id":"med_101809_1d70ed02b65b72c2","agenda_item_id":null,"speaker_id":"spk_101809_valerie_jenkins","speaker_confidence":0.95,"start_sec":7068.82,"end_sec":7077.62,"text":"But the bottom line is, we would not be able to live with ourselves if people are freezing to death on our sidewalk and we have a room to put them in, and cots and all that, so...","topics_json":"[\"homelessness\",\"code_purple\"]","vector_id":"vec_seg_101809_273","created_at":"2026-10-31T08:06:11Z","speaker_name":"Valerie Jenkins"},{"id":"seg_101809_274","meeting_id":"101809","media_asset_id":"med_101809_1d70ed02b65b72c2","agenda_item_id":null,"speaker_id":"spk_101809_enid_wallace","speaker_confidence":0.95,"start_sec":7077.63,"end_sec":7099.23,"text":"No, but listen, we've asked, we requested, if we see them dealing, they're not allowed in. Yes, we do feed the public, please. All right. These girls walk around with an ATM machine on their body and can do what they do 24/7, and they will die if we don't do something drastic for them. Just saying. So, I'm sorry, I interrupt.","topics_json":"[\"homelessness\",\"public_safety\"]","vector_id":"vec_seg_101809_274","created_at":"2026-10-31T08:06:11Z","speaker_name":"Enid Wallace"},{"id":"seg_101809_275","meeting_id":"101809","media_asset_id":"med_101809_1d70ed02b65b72c2","agenda_item_id":null,"speaker_id":"spk_101809_enid_wallace","speaker_confidence":0.95,"start_sec":7099.23,"end_sec":7202.63,"text":"And as far as sustainability, we did receive we have been awarded there has been a federal grant awarded to us. Because of all of the hullabaloo and then worry that we wouldn't have a place, it's pending. I'm meeting with Fred, everybody's cool, he's happy, so that money's come. We've had DuPont money come in, Welfare Foundation money come in. We're sustainable. We've got no problem with that. We've got Harold Stafford running our workforce development. He's the secretary of labor former secretary of labor for the state of Delaware. He's been on Polytech school board. I've known him for years and years, and I've got a close connection with Polytech, I worked there 30 years. We'll have a good program going. The first thing we need to do though is workforce readiness. I've done this my whole life as far as adult education, I've backed them down. Our people got to start with readiness before we get into development. We're going to make sure everybody has the documentation and and all that kind of stuff, and they've been to rehab, and detox, and whatever they need, mental health issues, to get stable enough to even begin that process, and that's all part of what we're going to do, navigation. So the sustainability, we have the 350 coming in, we've just been awarded a half a year ago that 100,000 for welfare, and we've got hopefully other things that will come back on board once the things settle down and people understand what we are doing and what we aren't doing and that we are extremely financially responsible for our funds. When I retired 6 years ago, I was not going to touch another calculator or a spreadsheet. I've lived that was my life for 30 years. I'm vice president of Code Purple as well. I'm very sorry that I made that demand to myself, because I now am working with a second organization that I do believe that my skills in bookkeeping and accounting would have paid off. Hi. So that will change, and I will be responsible for maintaining the management of all of our grants. You'll do the writing, right Susan? Call Mac.","topics_json":"[\"homelessness\",\"budget\",\"code_purple\"]","vector_id":"vec_seg_101809_275","created_at":"2026-10-31T08:06:11Z","speaker_name":"Enid Wallace"},{"id":"seg_101809_276","meeting_id":"101809","media_asset_id":"med_101809_1d70ed02b65b72c2","agenda_item_id":null,"speaker_id":"off_tricia_k_arndt","speaker_confidence":0.9,"start_sec":7202.63,"end_sec":7222.63,"text":"Thank thank you for Thank you for that information. I appreciate that. I hope moving forward we can change the narrative that the city is trying to shut down the shelter, that the city doesn't care, working together to find a better solution.","topics_json":"[\"homelessness\"]","vector_id":"vec_seg_101809_276","created_at":"2026-10-31T08:06:11Z","speaker_name":"Tricia K. Arndt"},{"id":"seg_101809_277","meeting_id":"101809","media_asset_id":"med_101809_1d70ed02b65b72c2","agenda_item_id":null,"speaker_id":"spk_101809_enid_wallace","speaker_confidence":0.95,"start_sec":7222.63,"end_sec":7273.53,"text":"Us too. We want to partner. We always have. The last thing that helps anybody in these streets is to find the people that they depend on fighting amongst themselves. I mean they got no hope then. They're like well, if they can't even get along and work together, then what do we have? So please, and I apologize for anything I might have said that have caused more disruption than it should, but I think that happened on both sides. Things got out of here that got all stirred up, and things got out of us that got all stirred up, and now it's just a whole big water stirred up pot.","topics_json":"[\"homelessness\"]","vector_id":"vec_seg_101809_277","created_at":"2026-10-31T08:06:11Z","speaker_name":"Enid Wallace"},{"id":"seg_101809_278","meeting_id":"101809","media_asset_id":"med_101809_1d70ed02b65b72c2","agenda_item_id":null,"speaker_id":"off_tricia_k_arndt","speaker_confidence":0.95,"start_sec":7273.53,"end_sec":7327.63,"text":"Like I said, I think there's been misunderstandings and misinformation on both sides. I think moving forward making sure that we can correct those misconceptions and work together. I I am leaning towards giving grace and allowing this funding to move forward. I know that's probably not where my colleagues are are going, but the work has already been done and I think moving forward, should you apply for any other funding from the city, unless it's settled and should funds be granted for any grant in the future, then I think you would be well aware of what those requirements are and to make sure that every I is dotted and every T is crossed.","topics_json":"[\"budget\",\"homelessness\"]","vector_id":"vec_seg_101809_278","created_at":"2026-10-31T08:06:11Z","speaker_name":"Tricia K. Arndt"},{"id":"seg_101809_279","meeting_id":"101809","media_asset_id":"med_101809_1d70ed02b65b72c2","agenda_item_id":null,"speaker_id":"spk_101809_enid_wallace","speaker_confidence":0.9,"start_sec":7327.63,"end_sec":7331.63,"text":"Oh, yes. On behalf of everyone.","topics_json":"[]","vector_id":"vec_seg_101809_279","created_at":"2026-10-31T08:06:11Z","speaker_name":"Enid Wallace"},{"id":"seg_101809_28","meeting_id":"101809","media_asset_id":"med_101809_1d70ed02b65b72c2","agenda_item_id":null,"speaker_id":"off_brian_e_lewis","speaker_confidence":1,"start_sec":449.37,"end_sec":508.74,"text":"Attended the, uh, DSU event on Saturday, which was a ribbon cutting event. Um, even with that, I say the reopening of the new apparel store, which is now located at the Dover Center. Um, I have handled various constituent concerns and complaints in the past month. Make sure that their constituent concerns on are heard, and also, um, an ongoing issue on White Oak Road and uh complaint with uh hole or a manhole near what is uh, I guess, a manhole on Stony Creek Drive. Uh, so I addressed those issues, and it was addressed by the city, and that's pretty much it. Thank you.","topics_json":"[]","vector_id":"vec_seg_101809_28","created_at":"2026-10-31T08:06:10Z","speaker_name":"Brian E. Lewis"},{"id":"seg_101809_280","meeting_id":"101809","media_asset_id":"med_101809_1d70ed02b65b72c2","agenda_item_id":null,"speaker_id":"off_tricia_k_arndt","speaker_confidence":0.95,"start_sec":7331.63,"end_sec":7337.63,"text":"So that's my thoughts, that's where I'm leaning. I lean.","topics_json":"[]","vector_id":"vec_seg_101809_280","created_at":"2026-10-31T08:06:11Z","speaker_name":"Tricia K. Arndt"},{"id":"seg_101809_281","meeting_id":"101809","media_asset_id":"med_101809_1d70ed02b65b72c2","agenda_item_id":null,"speaker_id":"off_julia_m_pillsbury","speaker_confidence":0.95,"start_sec":7337.63,"end_sec":7340.63,"text":"Chair recognizes Mr. Lewis.","topics_json":"[]","vector_id":"vec_seg_101809_281","created_at":"2026-10-31T08:06:11Z","speaker_name":"Julia M. 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Lewis"},{"id":"seg_101809_285","meeting_id":"101809","media_asset_id":"med_101809_1d70ed02b65b72c2","agenda_item_id":null,"speaker_id":"spk_101809_tracey_o_brien","speaker_confidence":0.95,"start_sec":7388.23,"end_sec":7389.63,"text":"No.","topics_json":"[]","vector_id":"vec_seg_101809_285","created_at":"2026-10-31T08:06:11Z","speaker_name":"Tracey O'Brien"},{"id":"seg_101809_286","meeting_id":"101809","media_asset_id":"med_101809_1d70ed02b65b72c2","agenda_item_id":null,"speaker_id":"off_brian_e_lewis","speaker_confidence":0.95,"start_sec":7389.63,"end_sec":7391.63,"text":"I yield, Madam Chair.","topics_json":"[]","vector_id":"vec_seg_101809_286","created_at":"2026-10-31T08:06:11Z","speaker_name":"Brian E. Lewis"},{"id":"seg_101809_287","meeting_id":"101809","media_asset_id":"med_101809_1d70ed02b65b72c2","agenda_item_id":null,"speaker_id":"off_julia_m_pillsbury","speaker_confidence":0.95,"start_sec":7394.63,"end_sec":7398.43,"text":"Chair recognizes Councilman Anderson.","topics_json":"[]","vector_id":"vec_seg_101809_287","created_at":"2026-10-31T08:06:11Z","speaker_name":"Julia M. Pillsbury"},{"id":"seg_101809_288","meeting_id":"101809","media_asset_id":"med_101809_1d70ed02b65b72c2","agenda_item_id":null,"speaker_id":"off_david_l_anderson","speaker_confidence":0.95,"start_sec":7398.43,"end_sec":7463.63,"text":"Thank you, Madam Chair. And I want to thank everyone for the explanation. I definitely support Can you can you stay, please? Because I got a couple questions. I definitely supported Ms. O'Brien's freezing the funds until she got the information that she needed that was appropriate. Now now now we've move beyond that and the decision before us. I do not support reprogramming the money because this organization quite frankly has been one of the better ones in and what it's done for the city and in the city. And if and I have just a couple questions and a lot of them my question my colleague and friend have already asked so I'm not going to repeat her because she did them probably better than I would have. Ms. Harris, my next my third question is to the best of your knowledge are you now currently compliant with city regulations?","topics_json":"[\"budget\",\"homelessness\"]","vector_id":"vec_seg_101809_288","created_at":"2026-10-31T08:06:11Z","speaker_name":"David L. Anderson"},{"id":"seg_101809_289","meeting_id":"101809","media_asset_id":"med_101809_1d70ed02b65b72c2","agenda_item_id":null,"speaker_id":"spk_101809_enid_wallace","speaker_confidence":0.85,"start_sec":7463.63,"end_sec":7465.63,"text":"Yes.","topics_json":"[]","vector_id":"vec_seg_101809_289","created_at":"2026-10-31T08:06:11Z","speaker_name":"Enid Wallace"},{"id":"seg_101809_29","meeting_id":"101809","media_asset_id":"med_101809_1d70ed02b65b72c2","agenda_item_id":null,"speaker_id":"off_fred_a_neil","speaker_confidence":1,"start_sec":509.66,"end_sec":617.66,"text":"Thank you. My report. I attended the, uh, October the 8th Code Board of Appeals hearing with Chairman Sommer. Uh, thanks to the chair of DHR, Dr. Michu Nedler, who uncovered the second Third District representative that has been missing with the death of the original member of that board, and her name is Chiara Fox Mulholland. Uh, Third District, we had three East Lake constituent complaints, one involving a storm drain, one dealing with a truck and a shopping cart, and then grass being blown down into drains, all three handled by Code Chief Kopp. A constituent called and requested that Acorn Lane be closed off to non-local traffic as East Loockerman Street was blocked off. The matter was referred to Assistant Manager Lyon, who reported that Acorn Lane is a DelDOT roadway and not under City control. A constituent complained once again about a new house being built at William and Water Street. The complaint this time was about debris, and Code Inspector Kopp has already taken actions against the property owner. And after being referred to by Yvonne Martine, I've discussed with a man living on White Oak Road at 83, at 83 April Drive about a problem with a neighbor. And that's my report. And now, is Councilwoman Hall now available?","topics_json":"[\"housing\"]","vector_id":"vec_seg_101809_29","created_at":"2026-10-31T08:06:10Z","speaker_name":"Fred A. Neil"},{"id":"seg_101809_290","meeting_id":"101809","media_asset_id":"med_101809_1d70ed02b65b72c2","agenda_item_id":null,"speaker_id":"off_david_l_anderson","speaker_confidence":0.95,"start_sec":7465.63,"end_sec":7504.63,"text":"Next question: now this this requirement that you that were met, were they federally compliant even if they inadvertently did not meet the city purchasing, are they federally compliant and eligible under federal guidelines for reimbursement?","topics_json":"[\"budget\"]","vector_id":"vec_seg_101809_290","created_at":"2026-10-31T08:06:11Z","speaker_name":"David L. Anderson"},{"id":"seg_101809_291","meeting_id":"101809","media_asset_id":"med_101809_1d70ed02b65b72c2","agenda_item_id":null,"speaker_id":"spk_101809_tracey_o_brien","speaker_confidence":0.85,"start_sec":7504.63,"end_sec":7506.43,"text":"Yes.","topics_json":"[\"budget\"]","vector_id":"vec_seg_101809_291","created_at":"2026-10-31T08:06:11Z","speaker_name":"Tracey O'Brien"},{"id":"seg_101809_292","meeting_id":"101809","media_asset_id":"med_101809_1d70ed02b65b72c2","agenda_item_id":null,"speaker_id":"off_david_l_anderson","speaker_confidence":0.95,"start_sec":7506.43,"end_sec":7512.63,"text":"And that ends my Thank you. I yield.","topics_json":"[]","vector_id":"vec_seg_101809_292","created_at":"2026-10-31T08:06:11Z","speaker_name":"David L. Anderson"},{"id":"seg_101809_293","meeting_id":"101809","media_asset_id":"med_101809_1d70ed02b65b72c2","agenda_item_id":null,"speaker_id":"off_julia_m_pillsbury","speaker_confidence":0.95,"start_sec":7514.63,"end_sec":7516.63,"text":"Chair recognizes Councilwoman Arndt.","topics_json":"[]","vector_id":"vec_seg_101809_293","created_at":"2026-10-31T08:06:11Z","speaker_name":"Julia M. Pillsbury"},{"id":"seg_101809_294","meeting_id":"101809","media_asset_id":"med_101809_1d70ed02b65b72c2","agenda_item_id":null,"speaker_id":"off_tricia_k_arndt","speaker_confidence":0.95,"start_sec":7516.63,"end_sec":7549.63,"text":"Thank you. I just I was remiss. I I would like to clarify - Ms. O'Brien, thank you so much for your presentation, the information that you put together. We, council, are the ones who want to hear from you how it's spent and how the money will be distributed, and I think there's absolutely no question that you've got your eyes on the needle that needs to be threaded with your program and how it should be spent. So I just wanted to tell you that you did your due diligence.","topics_json":"[\"budget\"]","vector_id":"vec_seg_101809_294","created_at":"2026-10-31T08:06:11Z","speaker_name":"Tricia K. Arndt"},{"id":"seg_101809_295","meeting_id":"101809","media_asset_id":"med_101809_1d70ed02b65b72c2","agenda_item_id":null,"speaker_id":"off_julia_m_pillsbury","speaker_confidence":0.95,"start_sec":7550.63,"end_sec":7553.53,"text":"Councilwoman Hall, do you have...","topics_json":"[]","vector_id":"vec_seg_101809_295","created_at":"2026-10-31T08:06:11Z","speaker_name":"Julia M. Pillsbury"},{"id":"seg_101809_296","meeting_id":"101809","media_asset_id":"med_101809_1d70ed02b65b72c2","agenda_item_id":null,"speaker_id":"off_donyale_m_hall","speaker_confidence":0.95,"start_sec":7553.53,"end_sec":7564.63,"text":"I have one more question. Before we decide, before we go into that -","topics_json":"[]","vector_id":"vec_seg_101809_296","created_at":"2026-10-31T08:06:11Z","speaker_name":"Donyale M. Hall"},{"id":"seg_101809_297","meeting_id":"101809","media_asset_id":"med_101809_1d70ed02b65b72c2","agenda_item_id":null,"speaker_id":"off_donyale_m_hall","speaker_confidence":0.95,"start_sec":7564.63,"end_sec":7583.63,"text":"I'm curious, there was something that was presented by Ms. O'Brien that was troubling to me, regarding the $45,000 that doesn't seem to have gone to a credible company. Can you share that?","topics_json":"[\"budget\"]","vector_id":"vec_seg_101809_297","created_at":"2026-10-31T08:06:11Z","speaker_name":"Donyale M. Hall"},{"id":"seg_101809_298","meeting_id":"101809","media_asset_id":"med_101809_1d70ed02b65b72c2","agenda_item_id":null,"speaker_id":"spk_101809_enid_wallace","speaker_confidence":0.95,"start_sec":7583.63,"end_sec":7607.63,"text":"He's fine, he was recommended to us through Downtown Dover Partnership development director. I want to make sure I call that and make sure that we have those ducks in a row. I can't imagine she's not. She usually had worked closely with her, they're always constantly working, so I would be very surprised. Maybe there's a difference in name, maybe it's something that I think it is a confusion.","topics_json":"[\"budget\"]","vector_id":"vec_seg_101809_298","created_at":"2026-10-31T08:06:11Z","speaker_name":"Enid Wallace"},{"id":"seg_101809_299","meeting_id":"101809","media_asset_id":"med_101809_1d70ed02b65b72c2","agenda_item_id":null,"speaker_id":"off_donyale_m_hall","speaker_confidence":0.95,"start_sec":7607.63,"end_sec":7618.63,"text":"Would you kindly, when you leave here, could you find answers to that, council? We would be interested in knowing whether...","topics_json":"[\"budget\"]","vector_id":"vec_seg_101809_299","created_at":"2026-10-31T08:06:11Z","speaker_name":"Donyale M. 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We're hoping for her to be one of the girls of that...","topics_json":"[]","vector_id":"vec_seg_101809_300","created_at":"2026-10-31T08:06:11Z","speaker_name":"Enid Wallace"},{"id":"seg_101809_301","meeting_id":"101809","media_asset_id":"med_101809_1d70ed02b65b72c2","agenda_item_id":null,"speaker_id":"off_donyale_m_hall","speaker_confidence":0.95,"start_sec":7625.63,"end_sec":7636.63,"text":"I think we would be interested in hearing your findings, and if you do, please share that with us so that we can be back on what accountability we have. Okay, thank you very much.","topics_json":"[\"budget\"]","vector_id":"vec_seg_101809_301","created_at":"2026-10-31T08:06:11Z","speaker_name":"Donyale M. Hall"},{"id":"seg_101809_302","meeting_id":"101809","media_asset_id":"med_101809_1d70ed02b65b72c2","agenda_item_id":null,"speaker_id":"spk_101809_enid_wallace","speaker_confidence":0.95,"start_sec":7636.63,"end_sec":7639.63,"text":"Thank you.","topics_json":"[]","vector_id":"vec_seg_101809_302","created_at":"2026-10-31T08:06:11Z","speaker_name":"Enid Wallace"},{"id":"seg_101809_303","meeting_id":"101809","media_asset_id":"med_101809_1d70ed02b65b72c2","agenda_item_id":null,"speaker_id":"off_julia_m_pillsbury","speaker_confidence":0.95,"start_sec":7642.63,"end_sec":7651.63,"text":"Okay. Mr. Faust is here. Mr. Faust, please come to the podium. Give us your information.","topics_json":"[]","vector_id":"vec_seg_101809_303","created_at":"2026-10-31T08:06:11Z","speaker_name":"Julia M. Pillsbury"},{"id":"seg_101809_304","meeting_id":"101809","media_asset_id":"med_101809_1d70ed02b65b72c2","agenda_item_id":null,"speaker_id":"spk_101809_william_faust","speaker_confidence":0.95,"start_sec":7651.63,"end_sec":7773.63,"text":"William Faust, Dover. Just a couple of thoughts on this whole thing. Correctional center was closed by the DOC because of funding, but it was also closed by my friend who worked for the program. Building was neat, upkeep, water, heating, everything. So it may not be sweet for housing homeless community. I believe Councilman Rocha took that tour, I think department of corrections too, somebody, but it was closed because it was not in compliance with standard human living. They had rodent problems, they had water leaks, and it hadn't been in use for years so who knows how long it's going to take before we get that done. My people are divided, people from church, you know, they're going to make an allowance, they're going to make mistakes. You open Pandora's box, you can't get it closed now. Another person comes down the line, made the same, you'll be obligated to give them by the hour. It's not a dig at the church, I'm saying you make an allowance, make an allowance for anybody else, does that make an allowance for anyone else to do that? Did we have patience for three? Which one had made a mistake, and didn't follow in time? So be careful what you're doing. I support the people's church for trying to take care of our our most vulnerable people. I'm not disputing that, but be careful. You represent us, and this is not private donations, this is city money, so there's always checks and balances. So it's not a dig, just saying if you're going to make an allowance, you're going to make an allowance for individual one, two, A, B, C, whatever it may be in the future. Thank you for your time.","topics_json":"[\"homelessness\",\"budget\"]","vector_id":"vec_seg_101809_304","created_at":"2026-10-31T08:06:11Z","speaker_name":"William Faust"},{"id":"seg_101809_305","meeting_id":"101809","media_asset_id":"med_101809_1d70ed02b65b72c2","agenda_item_id":null,"speaker_id":"off_julia_m_pillsbury","speaker_confidence":0.95,"start_sec":7773.63,"end_sec":7777.63,"text":"Thank you.","topics_json":"[]","vector_id":"vec_seg_101809_305","created_at":"2026-10-31T08:06:11Z","speaker_name":"Julia M. Pillsbury"},{"id":"seg_101809_306","meeting_id":"101809","media_asset_id":"med_101809_1d70ed02b65b72c2","agenda_item_id":null,"speaker_id":"off_julia_m_pillsbury","speaker_confidence":0.95,"start_sec":7784.63,"end_sec":7788.63,"text":"Chair recognizes Councilwoman Hall.","topics_json":"[]","vector_id":"vec_seg_101809_306","created_at":"2026-10-31T08:06:11Z","speaker_name":"Julia M. Pillsbury"},{"id":"seg_101809_307","meeting_id":"101809","media_asset_id":"med_101809_1d70ed02b65b72c2","agenda_item_id":null,"speaker_id":"off_donyale_m_hall","speaker_confidence":0.95,"start_sec":7788.63,"end_sec":7949.63,"text":"Thank you, Madam Chair. I have a question for you, if you don't mind. And the question would be, the city, at that meeting that we had with the People's Church, we had a timber this evening. And the timber that I got back then is that we have an accord that we're going to adhere to, and we don't allow them in. I understand that you have hiccups, and and everybody does. And when we make, and when when there's an issue, then I am in agreement with Mr. Faust said, with, you know, when you open up Pandora's box, you also have to think about, we're being good stewards of the money that's already been spent. So if we've already spent and invested that money into People's Church and they're already servicing that house in an emergency capacity, then is it it's not going to change. That number is still going to be there whether they're open or not, and if we don't have the ability to get another facility open, I mean, we have We're talking about a month and a month and a week, maybe, you know, less than that, dependent on, you know, how early winter decides to to appear. Does it make sense to take the money that we've already invested, and that over, whether it be city or whether it be federal, you know, whoever's, because they can't get any funding anyway. So if this funding can take care of so that we're ready to get in there, and we can just like take up old cans from the year to try to clean up, to get things and maybe to get another agency to help to keep things, to help to keep to keep things together, and then next year, you know, we can follow, maybe the previous we've spent, that's already been cared for. Can we create maybe like another agency to to, you know, maybe put their foot on the gas and give that report, or be be in communication with a person? All that making of It would make sense to me not to take us when you've already put so much money into it at this point. I mean, and that's just that's just me. I mean, am I making sense?","topics_json":"[\"homelessness\",\"budget\"]","vector_id":"vec_seg_101809_307","created_at":"2026-10-31T08:06:11Z","speaker_name":"Donyale M. Hall"},{"id":"seg_101809_308","meeting_id":"101809","media_asset_id":"med_101809_1d70ed02b65b72c2","agenda_item_id":null,"speaker_id":"off_donyale_m_hall","speaker_confidence":0.95,"start_sec":7949.63,"end_sec":7950.63,"text":"I mean, no?","topics_json":"[]","vector_id":"vec_seg_101809_308","created_at":"2026-10-31T08:06:11Z","speaker_name":"Donyale M. Hall"},{"id":"seg_101809_309","meeting_id":"101809","media_asset_id":"med_101809_1d70ed02b65b72c2","agenda_item_id":null,"speaker_id":"spk_101809_tracey_o_brien","speaker_confidence":0.95,"start_sec":7950.63,"end_sec":7971.63,"text":"Councilwoman Hall, we have invested $283,338 in the overnight sheltering. But to be clear, this this grant is for renovations for the workforce development program, not for the overnight shelter.","topics_json":"[\"budget\",\"homelessness\"]","vector_id":"vec_seg_101809_309","created_at":"2026-10-31T08:06:11Z","speaker_name":"Tracey O'Brien"},{"id":"seg_101809_31","meeting_id":"101809","media_asset_id":"med_101809_1d70ed02b65b72c2","agenda_item_id":null,"speaker_id":"off_fred_a_neil","speaker_confidence":1,"start_sec":618.71,"end_sec":629.29,"text":"She's not here available. Because of that, uh, we will switch to, uh, the Legislative and Finance, uh, Committee, uh, and that motion, uh, goes to Councilman Anderson. The floor is yours, sir.","topics_json":"[]","vector_id":"vec_seg_101809_31","created_at":"2026-10-31T08:06:10Z","speaker_name":"Fred A. Neil"},{"id":"seg_101809_310","meeting_id":"101809","media_asset_id":"med_101809_1d70ed02b65b72c2","agenda_item_id":null,"speaker_id":"off_donyale_m_hall","speaker_confidence":0.95,"start_sec":7972.63,"end_sec":7994.63,"text":"Okay, so the money that's being claimed for is not for the shelter?","topics_json":"[\"budget\",\"homelessness\"]","vector_id":"vec_seg_101809_310","created_at":"2026-10-31T08:06:11Z","speaker_name":"Donyale M. 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Hall"},{"id":"seg_101809_315","meeting_id":"101809","media_asset_id":"med_101809_1d70ed02b65b72c2","agenda_item_id":null,"speaker_id":"spk_101809_tracey_o_brien","speaker_confidence":0.95,"start_sec":8024.63,"end_sec":8080.63,"text":"The 25,000 is renovations for adult mal - men workforce development, so that has nothing to do with the overnight shelter that went in the past. It pays for the operational fees of off and on CDBG and for operations, for water, for electric, and get some supplies for the current room. So nothing that has been paid for was not services that haven't already been performed. So there are three different buckets of money: there's capital renovation money that was the first ARPA grant, the second ARPA and the third ARPA were operational money, and this 40,000 that we're discussing now is renovation money, and there's also 22,700 of that CDBG-25 money that is pending as well.","topics_json":"[\"budget\",\"homelessness\"]","vector_id":"vec_seg_101809_315","created_at":"2026-10-31T08:06:11Z","speaker_name":"Tracey O'Brien"},{"id":"seg_101809_316","meeting_id":"101809","media_asset_id":"med_101809_1d70ed02b65b72c2","agenda_item_id":null,"speaker_id":"off_donyale_m_hall","speaker_confidence":0.95,"start_sec":8081.63,"end_sec":8112.63,"text":"Yes, so with that being said, basically, what you're telling me is that and that the people that that you've and all these are all in the in the in given together right now as is they're all in the same bucket?","topics_json":"[\"budget\"]","vector_id":"vec_seg_101809_316","created_at":"2026-10-31T08:06:11Z","speaker_name":"Donyale M. 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That's two different kinds of buckets in essence under one roof.","topics_json":"[\"homelessness\",\"budget\"]","vector_id":"vec_seg_101809_317","created_at":"2026-10-31T08:06:11Z","speaker_name":"Enid Wallace"},{"id":"seg_101809_318","meeting_id":"101809","media_asset_id":"med_101809_1d70ed02b65b72c2","agenda_item_id":null,"speaker_id":"off_donyale_m_hall","speaker_confidence":0.95,"start_sec":8166.63,"end_sec":8175.63,"text":"Okay, so essentially the overnight sheltering, the emergency program is not - it is not going to reopen, is that correct?","topics_json":"[\"homelessness\"]","vector_id":"vec_seg_101809_318","created_at":"2026-10-31T08:06:11Z","speaker_name":"Donyale M. Hall"},{"id":"seg_101809_319","meeting_id":"101809","media_asset_id":"med_101809_1d70ed02b65b72c2","agenda_item_id":null,"speaker_id":"spk_101809_enid_wallace","speaker_confidence":0.95,"start_sec":8175.63,"end_sec":8191.63,"text":"Unless the city comes to us with to continue the agreement we have been doing for the past 10 years, and there is no other options available. Um, that would be the scenario I could see us doing.","topics_json":"[\"homelessness\"]","vector_id":"vec_seg_101809_319","created_at":"2026-10-31T08:06:11Z","speaker_name":"Enid Wallace"},{"id":"seg_101809_32","meeting_id":"101809","media_asset_id":"med_101809_1d70ed02b65b72c2","agenda_item_id":null,"speaker_id":"off_david_l_anderson","speaker_confidence":1,"start_sec":629.87,"end_sec":638.1,"text":"Thank you, Mr. President. The Legislative, Finance, and Administration Committee is now called to order. First, we have the adoption of the agenda. Councilman Boggerty, you're recognized.","topics_json":"[]","vector_id":"vec_seg_101809_32","created_at":"2026-10-31T08:06:10Z","speaker_name":"David L. Anderson"},{"id":"seg_101809_320","meeting_id":"101809","media_asset_id":"med_101809_1d70ed02b65b72c2","agenda_item_id":null,"speaker_id":"off_donyale_m_hall","speaker_confidence":0.95,"start_sec":8192.63,"end_sec":8227.63,"text":"Okay, so the city has to pay this bill, the city has to agree, because at this point we we need to be honest, as a mentor and as a as we've we've helped this community, we've engaged the community... and there is no other shelter and the city will be forced to give you the money. That is that's the bottom line. And I don't think that's fair.","topics_json":"[\"homelessness\",\"budget\"]","vector_id":"vec_seg_101809_320","created_at":"2026-10-31T08:06:11Z","speaker_name":"Donyale M. Hall"},{"id":"seg_101809_321","meeting_id":"101809","media_asset_id":"med_101809_1d70ed02b65b72c2","agenda_item_id":null,"speaker_id":"spk_101809_enid_wallace","speaker_confidence":0.95,"start_sec":8227.63,"end_sec":8257.23,"text":"That's definitely not our question. We are a walk-in, we are a walk-through shelter... but we will not jeopardize our business license, we will not jeopardize our occupancy certificate, we have four workforce living bodies that make use of our building along with a wonderful after-school program. There's nothing we will do that will jeopardize that. So shy of an agreement with the city, we will not take any chances.","topics_json":"[\"homelessness\",\"business\"]","vector_id":"vec_seg_101809_321","created_at":"2026-10-31T08:06:11Z","speaker_name":"Enid Wallace"},{"id":"seg_101809_322","meeting_id":"101809","media_asset_id":"med_101809_1d70ed02b65b72c2","agenda_item_id":null,"speaker_id":"spk_101809_frank_paul","speaker_confidence":0.9,"start_sec":8257.23,"end_sec":8295.83,"text":"something coming, a shelter, hopefully. I'm hoping that the city if they're not going to find one help in any way they can do that. Guys from the church said maybe we might be able to open in the fall. There was an in. They want to know so you guys can pursue that. Um, but yeah, if there's not another option, we what are we going to do? I'm not coming to to work at a thrift store and have to step over frozen bodies next to the sidewalk. We will have to do something, and I hope that the city find something or an alternative, and if that doesn't happen, the off-ramp is an agreement the same way we've done it for the past ten years. Thank you for your time.","topics_json":"[\"homelessness\"]","vector_id":"vec_seg_101809_322","created_at":"2026-10-31T08:06:11Z","speaker_name":"Frank Paul"},{"id":"seg_101809_323","meeting_id":"101809","media_asset_id":"med_101809_1d70ed02b65b72c2","agenda_item_id":null,"speaker_id":"off_robin_r_christiansen","speaker_confidence":0.9,"start_sec":8295.83,"end_sec":8299.63,"text":"Thank you, Mr. Paul. Frank Paul.","topics_json":"[]","vector_id":"vec_seg_101809_323","created_at":"2026-10-31T08:06:11Z","speaker_name":"Robin R. Christiansen"},{"id":"seg_101809_324","meeting_id":"101809","media_asset_id":"med_101809_1d70ed02b65b72c2","agenda_item_id":null,"speaker_id":"off_tricia_k_arndt","speaker_confidence":0.9,"start_sec":8309.43,"end_sec":8311.63,"text":"Please state your name for the record.","topics_json":"[]","vector_id":"vec_seg_101809_324","created_at":"2026-10-31T08:06:11Z","speaker_name":"Tricia K. Arndt"},{"id":"seg_101809_325","meeting_id":"101809","media_asset_id":"med_101809_1d70ed02b65b72c2","agenda_item_id":null,"speaker_id":"spk_101809_bonnie","speaker_confidence":0.95,"start_sec":8311.63,"end_sec":8392.53,"text":"Hi, my name is Bonnie. I live in the Dover area. I don't know nothing about the People's Church. I have been learning all the good things that the People's Church has done for the homeless people. So in my opinion, I listened to Mr. Paul behind us. If his building is that bad and they don't want to spend all this money to open another building, what in the budget can you work out to get to the People's or to keep the church open? Cause I know for a fact last year there was three people that died in the city of Dover, and it had nothing to do with drugs, they froze to death.","topics_json":"[\"homelessness\",\"budget\"]","vector_id":"vec_seg_101809_325","created_at":"2026-10-31T08:06:11Z","speaker_name":"Bonnie"},{"id":"seg_101809_326","meeting_id":"101809","media_asset_id":"med_101809_1d70ed02b65b72c2","agenda_item_id":null,"speaker_id":"spk_101809_bonnie","speaker_confidence":0.95,"start_sec":8392.53,"end_sec":8501.43,"text":"My son used to be homeless for two years. He slept on the streets, in the streets, in the woods. We finally got him out of the woods and got him straight, but the thing of it is sending these people out on the street in the middle of winter, and just to let Ms. Paul know, next week it's supposed to be down in the 20s. So when these people out here sleeping in the street, we're sleeping in a bed. There's got to be a way to keep this People's Church open. If you can come up with the funding to pay for something that we don't need, why can't you come up with the funding to keep this church open for these people? Like I said, I don't know the People's Church. I don't live on that side of the area, I live on the north side, but I will say this, it's wrong to see these people sleep out on the street and only get a sandwich and a hot bowl of cereal and send them out into the cold. That's just not fair. I believe I think you guys could come up with a better way and squeeze that budget money cause you squeezed it before to give to the People's Church. That's all I have to say.","topics_json":"[\"homelessness\",\"budget\"]","vector_id":"vec_seg_101809_326","created_at":"2026-10-31T08:06:11Z","speaker_name":"Bonnie"},{"id":"seg_101809_327","meeting_id":"101809","media_asset_id":"med_101809_1d70ed02b65b72c2","agenda_item_id":null,"speaker_id":"off_tricia_k_arndt","speaker_confidence":0.9,"start_sec":8501.43,"end_sec":8503.73,"text":"Thank you, Ms. Bonnie.","topics_json":"[]","vector_id":"vec_seg_101809_327","created_at":"2026-10-31T08:06:11Z","speaker_name":"Tricia K. Arndt"},{"id":"seg_101809_328","meeting_id":"101809","media_asset_id":"med_101809_1d70ed02b65b72c2","agenda_item_id":null,"speaker_id":"spk_101809_bonnie","speaker_confidence":0.95,"start_sec":8505.13,"end_sec":8509.93,"text":"Whatever. 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Thank you.","topics_json":"[]","vector_id":"vec_seg_101809_50","created_at":"2026-10-31T08:06:10Z","speaker_name":"David L. Anderson"},{"id":"seg_101809_51","meeting_id":"101809","media_asset_id":"med_101809_1d70ed02b65b72c2","agenda_item_id":null,"speaker_id":"off_david_l_anderson","speaker_confidence":1,"start_sec":733.99,"end_sec":747.75,"text":"That brings us to the first item, which is proposed Ordinance 2026-15, uh, amending Chapter 42, Environment, by adding, uh, Section 42-3, Lighting. Mr. Eddie Kopp, Chief Code Enforcement Officer, you are recognized.","topics_json":"[\"zoning\"]","vector_id":"vec_seg_101809_51","created_at":"2026-10-31T08:06:10Z","speaker_name":"David L. Anderson"},{"id":"seg_101809_52","meeting_id":"101809","media_asset_id":"med_101809_1d70ed02b65b72c2","agenda_item_id":null,"speaker_id":"spk_101809_eddie_kopp","speaker_confidence":0.95,"start_sec":749.2,"end_sec":811.76,"text":"Good evening. Uh, before you tonight is a ordinance, uh, in reference to lighting, um, particularly residential zones. Uh, there's been an influx in complaints regarding, uh, light pollution. It's been used as a tactic to harass the neighbors, per se, to where large spotlights are being installed on the side of houses, shining into windows, often into the evening. This ordinance would help give me teeth to, uh, as to prevent that. There is current, uh, language in the zoning ordinance, but it only covers commercial properties. So this would give us, uh, some teeth to be able to stop light pollution. Uh, the fee structure is identical to, um, all other code enforcement fines, so the default fine would be $100 fine, and it goes up with subsequent offenses.","topics_json":"[\"zoning\"]","vector_id":"vec_seg_101809_52","created_at":"2026-10-31T08:06:10Z","speaker_name":"Eddie Kopp"},{"id":"seg_101809_53","meeting_id":"101809","media_asset_id":"med_101809_1d70ed02b65b72c2","agenda_item_id":null,"speaker_id":"off_david_l_anderson","speaker_confidence":1,"start_sec":812.19,"end_sec":813.17,"text":"Thank you. Councilman Boggerty.","topics_json":"[]","vector_id":"vec_seg_101809_53","created_at":"2026-10-31T08:06:10Z","speaker_name":"David L. Anderson"},{"id":"seg_101809_54","meeting_id":"101809","media_asset_id":"med_101809_1d70ed02b65b72c2","agenda_item_id":null,"speaker_id":"off_andre_m_boggerty","speaker_confidence":1,"start_sec":813.38,"end_sec":851.49,"text":"Oh, she laughed. I was wondering, did my neighbor did my neighbor report light pollution going into her, that was, that was... But anyway, um, it's not a big concern.","topics_json":"[]","vector_id":"vec_seg_101809_54","created_at":"2026-10-31T08:06:10Z","speaker_name":"Andre M. Boggerty"},{"id":"seg_101809_55","meeting_id":"101809","media_asset_id":"med_101809_1d70ed02b65b72c2","agenda_item_id":null,"speaker_id":"off_david_l_anderson","speaker_confidence":1,"start_sec":824.39,"end_sec":853.49,"text":"Councilman Rocha, you're recognized.","topics_json":"[]","vector_id":"vec_seg_101809_55","created_at":"2026-10-31T08:06:10Z","speaker_name":"David L. Anderson"},{"id":"seg_101809_56","meeting_id":"101809","media_asset_id":"med_101809_1d70ed02b65b72c2","agenda_item_id":null,"speaker_id":"off_gerald_l_rocha_sr","speaker_confidence":1,"start_sec":853.53,"end_sec":879.18,"text":"Thank you, Mr. Chair. No, actually, um, I fielded a call, not nearly with those, yeah, I know, I know. Um, you know, that that the, um, one one of the neighbors within our district is shining a light, and we understand how you want your backyard, you know, to to be able to be lit, but it shouldn't impede on somebody else's property, I don't think. So that's that's one of the things. This has been an ongoing issue, light going into somebody's bedroom window. That's basically, uh...","topics_json":"[\"zoning\"]","vector_id":"vec_seg_101809_56","created_at":"2026-10-31T08:06:10Z","speaker_name":"Gerald L. Rocha, Sr."},{"id":"seg_101809_57","meeting_id":"101809","media_asset_id":"med_101809_1d70ed02b65b72c2","agenda_item_id":null,"speaker_id":"spk_101809_eddie_kopp","speaker_confidence":0.95,"start_sec":879.62,"end_sec":916.31,"text":"Yeah, and this is a common complaint. Uh, cuz this this complaint comes up a lot. Unfortunately, there's no language in the code to make it enforceable. We have language on commercial, nothing enforceable. No enforceable language for cars or anything, so it's a very common nuisance.","topics_json":"[\"zoning\"]","vector_id":"vec_seg_101809_57","created_at":"2026-10-31T08:06:10Z","speaker_name":"Eddie Kopp"},{"id":"seg_101809_58","meeting_id":"101809","media_asset_id":"med_101809_1d70ed02b65b72c2","agenda_item_id":null,"speaker_id":"off_david_l_anderson","speaker_confidence":1,"start_sec":917.26,"end_sec":918.38,"text":"Councilwoman Arndt.","topics_json":"[]","vector_id":"vec_seg_101809_58","created_at":"2026-10-31T08:06:10Z","speaker_name":"David L. Anderson"},{"id":"seg_101809_59","meeting_id":"101809","media_asset_id":"med_101809_1d70ed02b65b72c2","agenda_item_id":null,"speaker_id":"off_tricia_k_arndt","speaker_confidence":1,"start_sec":918.88,"end_sec":932.52,"text":"Thank you. So you mentioned lumens specifically, and that that was my my question. It just it seems, uh, you know, unusually bright lighting, but like, say, if there was some criteria to define what that would be, and I know I don't see lumens in there, but that would be a criterion, I would think, for what enters or crosses to someone's...","topics_json":"[\"zoning\"]","vector_id":"vec_seg_101809_59","created_at":"2026-10-31T08:06:10Z","speaker_name":"Tricia K. Arndt"},{"id":"seg_101809_6","meeting_id":"101809","media_asset_id":"med_101809_1d70ed02b65b72c2","agenda_item_id":null,"speaker_id":"off_fred_a_neil","speaker_confidence":1,"start_sec":18.98,"end_sec":26.65,"text":"Any opposed? The agenda is adopted. First on the agenda we have Council reports. First District, Dr. Pillsbury.","topics_json":"[]","vector_id":"vec_seg_101809_6","created_at":"2026-10-31T08:06:10Z","speaker_name":"Fred A. Neil"},{"id":"seg_101809_60","meeting_id":"101809","media_asset_id":"med_101809_1d70ed02b65b72c2","agenda_item_id":null,"speaker_id":"spk_101809_eddie_kopp","speaker_confidence":0.95,"start_sec":934,"end_sec":977.3,"text":"Yeah, so, um, the commercial code has actual, this can be if you want to put, uh, a certain lumen to where that can be resolved. But in residential, it's, uh, anytime there's lighting complaints, well, that's that's not in... Okay. My bad. We can add that in there.","topics_json":"[\"zoning\"]","vector_id":"vec_seg_101809_60","created_at":"2026-10-31T08:06:10Z","speaker_name":"Eddie Kopp"},{"id":"seg_101809_61","meeting_id":"101809","media_asset_id":"med_101809_1d70ed02b65b72c2","agenda_item_id":null,"speaker_id":"off_tricia_k_arndt","speaker_confidence":1,"start_sec":978.26,"end_sec":993.64,"text":"If you could take a look, maybe other municipalities that have already incorporated a residential light, uh, ordinance component and see how that compares, because unusually bright, it's just it's tough to interpret and subjective, because it's not an issue with light or darkness, it might be an issue for someone else. But I would like some sort of criteria in there. Thank you. I yield.","topics_json":"[\"zoning\"]","vector_id":"vec_seg_101809_61","created_at":"2026-10-31T08:06:10Z","speaker_name":"Tricia K. Arndt"},{"id":"seg_101809_62","meeting_id":"101809","media_asset_id":"med_101809_1d70ed02b65b72c2","agenda_item_id":null,"speaker_id":"off_david_l_anderson","speaker_confidence":1,"start_sec":994.12,"end_sec":997.02,"text":"Thank you. Uh, coming right back to you. Councilman Lewis.","topics_json":"[]","vector_id":"vec_seg_101809_62","created_at":"2026-10-31T08:06:10Z","speaker_name":"David L. Anderson"},{"id":"seg_101809_63","meeting_id":"101809","media_asset_id":"med_101809_1d70ed02b65b72c2","agenda_item_id":null,"speaker_id":"off_brian_e_lewis","speaker_confidence":1,"start_sec":997.6,"end_sec":1051.14,"text":"Uh, yes, Inspector Kopp, is there anything on, uh, the state law, Delaware State Code in regards to this? Uh, because like you say, complaints coming in, and I know I go with under the impression that, um, something for instance, air space that would require a ordinance or a law. I like the concept, but like you've done, has anybody complained, I mean, a whole street lamp, for example, that shines on a neighbor's window? That's what I want to make sure. I want to make sure that's, what happens then?","topics_json":"[\"zoning\"]","vector_id":"vec_seg_101809_63","created_at":"2026-10-31T08:06:10Z","speaker_name":"Brian E. Lewis"},{"id":"seg_101809_64","meeting_id":"101809","media_asset_id":"med_101809_1d70ed02b65b72c2","agenda_item_id":null,"speaker_id":"spk_101809_eddie_kopp","speaker_confidence":0.95,"start_sec":1051.47,"end_sec":1068.04,"text":"Yeah, the installation of it is the violation of it. So if, and that covers if someone's, you know, that falls on Delmarva, but with this, it's more for direct light installed onto, uh, residential property. So, all right.","topics_json":"[\"zoning\"]","vector_id":"vec_seg_101809_64","created_at":"2026-10-31T08:06:10Z","speaker_name":"Eddie Kopp"},{"id":"seg_101809_65","meeting_id":"101809","media_asset_id":"med_101809_1d70ed02b65b72c2","agenda_item_id":null,"speaker_id":"spk_101809_eddie_kopp","speaker_confidence":0.95,"start_sec":1068.65,"end_sec":1110.75,"text":"So, if they, um, if I put a spotlight up on the side of my my house shining into the neighbor's property, that's an installation of it. Um, I'm causing the problem by installing that light on the side of house, as where if I'm just driving by with my vehicle and the lights shine in there, you know, that's that's incidental.","topics_json":"[\"zoning\"]","vector_id":"vec_seg_101809_65","created_at":"2026-10-31T08:06:10Z","speaker_name":"Eddie Kopp"},{"id":"seg_101809_66","meeting_id":"101809","media_asset_id":"med_101809_1d70ed02b65b72c2","agenda_item_id":null,"speaker_id":"off_brian_e_lewis","speaker_confidence":1,"start_sec":1111.56,"end_sec":1159.68,"text":"All right, so someone puts, for example, in the yard, a lantern, okay, that's shining on the neighbor's window, would that be acceptable? What's the criteria for that? What about someone wants to secure their property, they want to make sure that light, you know, they want to make sure that house, you know, be protected. How are you going to deal with that situation?","topics_json":"[\"zoning\"]","vector_id":"vec_seg_101809_66","created_at":"2026-10-31T08:06:10Z","speaker_name":"Brian E. Lewis"},{"id":"seg_101809_67","meeting_id":"101809","media_asset_id":"med_101809_1d70ed02b65b72c2","agenda_item_id":null,"speaker_id":"spk_101809_eddie_kopp","speaker_confidence":0.95,"start_sec":1160.06,"end_sec":1179.6,"text":"So, the intent is for direct light. One, and two, saying, um, I myself have spotlights in my house, and, um, out of respect for the neighbor, they're pointed in a way to they're not shining into the neighbor's, um, in the windows. I believe it's feasible, uh, with my own experience, it's it's very feasible to direct that light away from windows and still maintain the the security, uh, of your property. So, I understand there's going to be...","topics_json":"[\"zoning\"]","vector_id":"vec_seg_101809_67","created_at":"2026-10-31T08:06:10Z","speaker_name":"Eddie Kopp"},{"id":"seg_101809_68","meeting_id":"101809","media_asset_id":"med_101809_1d70ed02b65b72c2","agenda_item_id":null,"speaker_id":"spk_101809_eddie_kopp","speaker_confidence":0.9,"start_sec":1179.6,"end_sec":1209.59,"text":"language here, um, that could leave it up to question. But the goal here is to prevent nuisance lighting, uh, and I know Councilman Rocha made comments of this, but this isn't the first complaint we've got, um, for lights. And the pictures I've seen, it's not a matter of someone trying to illuminate their yard, they've installed spotlights directly shining into windows, and that's the problem we're at here, um, is it's it's being used to harass the neighbor. It's not necessarily, uh, security lighting. And and that's the issue. If we need to clean up the language on this, um, I'll take all recommendations, but that that's the issue with why this word is being put in.","topics_json":"[\"zoning\",\"public_safety\"]","vector_id":"vec_seg_101809_68","created_at":"2026-10-31T08:06:10Z","speaker_name":"Eddie Kopp"},{"id":"seg_101809_69","meeting_id":"101809","media_asset_id":"med_101809_1d70ed02b65b72c2","agenda_item_id":null,"speaker_id":"off_tricia_k_arndt","speaker_confidence":0.95,"start_sec":1210.02,"end_sec":1315.75,"text":"Uh, and again, obviously, shining light directly into windows, we would uh But my concern is if you cancel out, you know, a situation where you can have that which would be a space that can get quite or you open your home, you're going to have open company over on the parcel and be like a sport different situations because other than situations like that spotlight directly pointed at, say, the windows, like, shining into windows there, but that's the only type of light. I understand that's part. It's kind of, it's solved, you know, when I'm looking at it, and if it's well, nuisance lights, people's windows inside the house, that, of course, can't be helped, you know, if that's light, um, when when I walk my dog, see something is somebody going to complain and the window, uh, child sleeping. Is it going to be a nuisance? if we're talking about, you know, lights down, but when we get into these...","topics_json":"[\"zoning\"]","vector_id":"vec_seg_101809_69","created_at":"2026-10-31T08:06:10Z","speaker_name":"Tricia K. Arndt"},{"id":"seg_101809_7","meeting_id":"101809","media_asset_id":"med_101809_1d70ed02b65b72c2","agenda_item_id":null,"speaker_id":"off_julia_m_pillsbury","speaker_confidence":1,"start_sec":26.79,"end_sec":33.5,"text":"Thank you. I've handled a few complaints or concerns voiced of problems in the district, and that's about it for the past month. Thank you.","topics_json":"[]","vector_id":"vec_seg_101809_7","created_at":"2026-10-31T08:06:10Z","speaker_name":"Julia M. Pillsbury"},{"id":"seg_101809_70","meeting_id":"101809","media_asset_id":"med_101809_1d70ed02b65b72c2","agenda_item_id":null,"speaker_id":"off_gerald_l_rocha_sr","speaker_confidence":0.95,"start_sec":1388.75,"end_sec":1392.22,"text":"Any comments on that, Will?","topics_json":"[\"zoning\"]","vector_id":"vec_seg_101809_70","created_at":"2026-10-31T08:06:10Z","speaker_name":"Gerald L. Rocha, Sr."},{"id":"seg_101809_71","meeting_id":"101809","media_asset_id":"med_101809_1d70ed02b65b72c2","agenda_item_id":null,"speaker_id":"spk_101809_william_pepper","speaker_confidence":0.9,"start_sec":1392.22,"end_sec":1435.84,"text":"So, any kind of beaming into a window, um, would not be an incidental light. As far as the incidental light, it's installed, maintained, operated, or caused to be operated. So, again, a vehicle would not, um, it would not fall into incidental. Like a flashlight, right?","topics_json":"[\"zoning\"]","vector_id":"vec_seg_101809_71","created_at":"2026-10-31T08:06:10Z","speaker_name":"William Pepper"},{"id":"seg_101809_72","meeting_id":"101809","media_asset_id":"med_101809_1d70ed02b65b72c2","agenda_item_id":null,"speaker_id":"spk_101809_eddie_kopp","speaker_confidence":0.9,"start_sec":1435.84,"end_sec":1449.71,"text":"Correct. Even a flashlight, because it's not installed on the property, uh, which is why it's worded that way. This language is very similar to Kent County's. I just amended it to, um, reflect the city and went off their standards. So, uh, it's language that is in Kent County's code.","topics_json":"[\"zoning\"]","vector_id":"vec_seg_101809_72","created_at":"2026-10-31T08:06:10Z","speaker_name":"Eddie Kopp"},{"id":"seg_101809_73","meeting_id":"101809","media_asset_id":"med_101809_1d70ed02b65b72c2","agenda_item_id":null,"speaker_id":"off_gerald_l_rocha_sr","speaker_confidence":0.95,"start_sec":1455.79,"end_sec":1487.12,"text":"Thank you, Mr. Chairman. Mr. Chairman.","topics_json":"[\"zoning\"]","vector_id":"vec_seg_101809_73","created_at":"2026-10-31T08:06:10Z","speaker_name":"Gerald L. Rocha, Sr."},{"id":"seg_101809_74","meeting_id":"101809","media_asset_id":"med_101809_1d70ed02b65b72c2","agenda_item_id":null,"speaker_id":"off_gerald_l_rocha_sr","speaker_confidence":0.95,"start_sec":1487.12,"end_sec":1488.04,"text":"Councilwoman Hall.","topics_json":"[\"zoning\"]","vector_id":"vec_seg_101809_74","created_at":"2026-10-31T08:06:10Z","speaker_name":"Gerald L. Rocha, Sr."},{"id":"seg_101809_75","meeting_id":"101809","media_asset_id":"med_101809_1d70ed02b65b72c2","agenda_item_id":null,"speaker_id":"off_donyale_m_hall","speaker_confidence":0.95,"start_sec":1488.04,"end_sec":1500.08,"text":"And I happen to have children living in the city, and so that light has been cracked, so I can kind of understand where he was going with that. And there may be, uh, it spilled over unintentionally to cameras as a result of the lighting to have that feature. I agree.","topics_json":"[\"zoning\"]","vector_id":"vec_seg_101809_75","created_at":"2026-10-31T08:06:10Z","speaker_name":"Donyale M. Hall"},{"id":"seg_101809_76","meeting_id":"101809","media_asset_id":"med_101809_1d70ed02b65b72c2","agenda_item_id":null,"speaker_id":"off_gerald_l_rocha_sr","speaker_confidence":0.95,"start_sec":1500.32,"end_sec":1503.73,"text":"Thank you. Councilman Anderson.","topics_json":"[]","vector_id":"vec_seg_101809_76","created_at":"2026-10-31T08:06:10Z","speaker_name":"Gerald L. Rocha, Sr."},{"id":"seg_101809_77","meeting_id":"101809","media_asset_id":"med_101809_1d70ed02b65b72c2","agenda_item_id":null,"speaker_id":"off_david_l_anderson","speaker_confidence":0.95,"start_sec":1503.85,"end_sec":1615.49,"text":"Um, so, yeah, I heard everything about cameras. I don't know well, but they they do go on and off and they're not beaming into the bedroom, illuminating the bedroom so one can't sleep. That's really the nuisance. Um, and and then if folks are not, I mean, if you had a motion sensor, it it might beam for a second, and that might be a good thing, because when that comes on, that means somebody's protruding into the area on either property. But in this case, it's a fixed light from somebody else's property beaming into the bedroom window of somebody else and disturbing sleep is where this arose from. Um, and then I want to go back to what Councilwoman Arndt pointed out about the lumens, which I technically agree, but then how would you be able to determine what the lumen lumens are? Because you're not really allowed to go on the property, so when it's spectral light, so I think that's why it looks like it's written the way it is. And uh you know, just rethinking it, um that might be okay the way it's written. Um, I think it will become, you know, a constituent complaint-driven most likely, you know, in that instance. Um, and at at that point, they would look into what the lumen lumens are and how bright it is or point it down to get it out of somebody's bedroom window. That that would be my thoughts on, uh, the purpose of this ordinance, I mean, if I may.","topics_json":"[\"zoning\",\"public_safety\"]","vector_id":"vec_seg_101809_77","created_at":"2026-10-31T08:06:10Z","speaker_name":"David L. Anderson"},{"id":"seg_101809_78","meeting_id":"101809","media_asset_id":"med_101809_1d70ed02b65b72c2","agenda_item_id":null,"speaker_id":"off_andre_m_boggerty","speaker_confidence":0.95,"start_sec":1616.09,"end_sec":1670.85,"text":"Um, I also use camera spotlights, right? If I'm aiming that camera at somebody's window, I have another problem, right? That warrants a PD problem. So the light should not impact even if it is a camera light, because you shouldn't be shining a camera in somebody's window. That's the only way your light from a camera would be going into somebody else's window, right? So a little bit of light that that's reflecting, it's it's going to happen, but it's not hindering that, um, that neighbor. So I understand what everyone's saying, but camera, I think camera should be left out of this. It's not a part of this, um, it's not a part of this ordinance, and we don't want to intrude on anyone's, uh, rights per se.","topics_json":"[\"public_safety\",\"zoning\"]","vector_id":"vec_seg_101809_78","created_at":"2026-10-31T08:06:10Z","speaker_name":"Andre M. Boggerty"},{"id":"seg_101809_79","meeting_id":"101809","media_asset_id":"med_101809_1d70ed02b65b72c2","agenda_item_id":null,"speaker_id":"off_gerald_l_rocha_sr","speaker_confidence":0.95,"start_sec":1671.15,"end_sec":1672.06,"text":"Councilman Sudler.","topics_json":"[]","vector_id":"vec_seg_101809_79","created_at":"2026-10-31T08:06:10Z","speaker_name":"Gerald L. Rocha, Sr."},{"id":"seg_101809_8","meeting_id":"101809","media_asset_id":"med_101809_1d70ed02b65b72c2","agenda_item_id":null,"speaker_id":"off_fred_a_neil","speaker_confidence":1,"start_sec":33.72,"end_sec":35.24,"text":"Mr. Rocha, Councilman Rocha.","topics_json":"[]","vector_id":"vec_seg_101809_8","created_at":"2026-10-31T08:06:10Z","speaker_name":"Fred A. Neil"},{"id":"seg_101809_80","meeting_id":"101809","media_asset_id":"med_101809_1d70ed02b65b72c2","agenda_item_id":null,"speaker_id":"off_roy_sudler_jr","speaker_confidence":0.95,"start_sec":1672.06,"end_sec":1734.42,"text":"Thank you, Mr. Chairman. Mr. President, I request a point of personal privilege at this time, and I would, uh, like to advise Council that, uh, I think that, uh, as king of the FOIA violations, uh, we all know that, uh, to change the order of the Council Committee of the Whole requires a motion of Council to amend the agenda. We have not done so, and it shows the propriety that we may be trying to pull a fast one. So I would count ask Council either to amend the agenda and approve it, with no deference to you, Eddie, after your great presentation, that we do this the right way, the way that it needs to be done. The public is counting on us to do so. So Mr. President, I would request that there be a motion of Council to amend the agenda or go back to its original format as advertised. Thank you, Mr. Chairman. Thank you, Mr. President.","topics_json":"[\"budget\"]","vector_id":"vec_seg_101809_80","created_at":"2026-10-31T08:06:10Z","speaker_name":"Roy Sudler, Jr."},{"id":"seg_101809_81","meeting_id":"101809","media_asset_id":"med_101809_1d70ed02b65b72c2","agenda_item_id":null,"speaker_id":"off_fred_a_neil","speaker_confidence":0.95,"start_sec":1735.03,"end_sec":1739.29,"text":"Is there such a motion? I'll entertain a motion to that effect.","topics_json":"[]","vector_id":"vec_seg_101809_81","created_at":"2026-10-31T08:06:10Z","speaker_name":"Fred A. Neil"},{"id":"seg_101809_82","meeting_id":"101809","media_asset_id":"med_101809_1d70ed02b65b72c2","agenda_item_id":null,"speaker_id":"off_gerald_l_rocha_sr","speaker_confidence":0.95,"start_sec":1739.29,"end_sec":1752.37,"text":"Mr. President, um, return the press return it, uh, back over to you for for this, and then that that I move that we, uh, uh, continue, uh, with, uh, the change that earlier requested to place the Finance and then Parks, Recreation, Community Enhancement.","topics_json":"[]","vector_id":"vec_seg_101809_82","created_at":"2026-10-31T08:06:10Z","speaker_name":"Gerald L. Rocha, Sr."},{"id":"seg_101809_83","meeting_id":"101809","media_asset_id":"med_101809_1d70ed02b65b72c2","agenda_item_id":null,"speaker_id":"off_tricia_k_arndt","speaker_confidence":0.95,"start_sec":1752.67,"end_sec":1753.58,"text":"I'll second.","topics_json":"[]","vector_id":"vec_seg_101809_83","created_at":"2026-10-31T08:06:10Z","speaker_name":"Tricia K. Arndt"},{"id":"seg_101809_84","meeting_id":"101809","media_asset_id":"med_101809_1d70ed02b65b72c2","agenda_item_id":null,"speaker_id":"off_fred_a_neil","speaker_confidence":0.95,"start_sec":1753.58,"end_sec":1794.34,"text":"Now that's been seconded. I just want to make one note that the reason it was done, it was not done on purpose. It was done because the chairperson was not here to basically take that meeting, and so that was the reason for it. Any discussion on the motion? No discussion. All in favor, please say aye. Any opposed? It passes unanimously. Please continue, Mr. Chairman.","topics_json":"[]","vector_id":"vec_seg_101809_84","created_at":"2026-10-31T08:06:10Z","speaker_name":"Fred A. Neil"},{"id":"seg_101809_85","meeting_id":"101809","media_asset_id":"med_101809_1d70ed02b65b72c2","agenda_item_id":null,"speaker_id":"off_gerald_l_rocha_sr","speaker_confidence":0.95,"start_sec":1794.65,"end_sec":1798.6,"text":"Thank you. Thank you, Mr. President. Um, Councilman Boggerty.","topics_json":"[]","vector_id":"vec_seg_101809_85","created_at":"2026-10-31T08:06:10Z","speaker_name":"Gerald L. Rocha, Sr."},{"id":"seg_101809_86","meeting_id":"101809","media_asset_id":"med_101809_1d70ed02b65b72c2","agenda_item_id":null,"speaker_id":"off_andre_m_boggerty","speaker_confidence":0.95,"start_sec":1798.91,"end_sec":1979.89,"text":"All right, thank you. Um, it happens of our fine city to listen, the individuals who probably should have wanted to go to law school, but they did not. There's a standard called a reasonable person standard. The reasonable person standard is a is a legal standard that represents a hypothetical benchmark of ordinary intelligence, caution, and prudence used by courts to evaluate whether a person's, uh, behavior was negligent. So, in this particular case, in we it would be I don't know how many of us, except a few individuals, who will run out and measure lumens of a light bulb, um, just to make sure that they didn't violate it by one lumen, because I don't know how that's measured. But there is a reasonable person standard. So, then therefore, to add specificity to that language to say it has to be this many, again, um, would would would pigeonhole you or hold you to a standard that ultimately is probably couldn't measure by eye, pun intended. Um, and then so therefore, what's what what what I'd recommend, what I what I'd base on this logical and legal, uh, framework is called the reasonable person standard. I joke a lot with my dear, ha, colleague, well, not my colleague, but um, and I and I'm super mindful that I, by mistake, and quite mistakenly installed a light, but I'll have to adjust the light because one of my neighbors, it shines right into their house, even though there are trees, and I didn't know until I noticed. So, therefore, I don't use that light. We or if I happen to turn it on, I have caller text that individual to say, \"Hey, I'm just finishing my grilling, it won't be on long.\" Because it's over my grill, and I like to grill and eat. Um, I'll turn it off until I can adjust it. So, the point is the the framework in in this is we understand cars that drive past. We understand security. I have security lights all around my home. If you come to my house uninvited, I can see you a mile away. We tried. So, um, so it like like my other colleague said, I like glowing. If I can't see, but who wants someone peering, peeking through, right? I say that, I hope to see just plain the truth that this is clearly a wording or that the reasonable person standard can hurt would apply. I I agree, though. I I don't think anybody will argue with I will dash like myself and keep on, you know. But if he's standing in my window with a flashlight, he'd better move very fast because I want to see his flashlight. Thank you.","topics_json":"[\"zoning\",\"public_safety\"]","vector_id":"vec_seg_101809_86","created_at":"2026-10-31T08:06:10Z","speaker_name":"Andre M. Boggerty"},{"id":"seg_101809_87","meeting_id":"101809","media_asset_id":"med_101809_1d70ed02b65b72c2","agenda_item_id":null,"speaker_id":"off_fred_a_neil","speaker_confidence":0.95,"start_sec":1980.19,"end_sec":1982.14,"text":"Is your house protected by Mr. Smith and Mr. Wesson?","topics_json":"[]","vector_id":"vec_seg_101809_87","created_at":"2026-10-31T08:06:10Z","speaker_name":"Fred A. Neil"},{"id":"seg_101809_88","meeting_id":"101809","media_asset_id":"med_101809_1d70ed02b65b72c2","agenda_item_id":null,"speaker_id":"off_andre_m_boggerty","speaker_confidence":0.95,"start_sec":1982.32,"end_sec":1985.37,"text":"[laughter]","topics_json":"[]","vector_id":"vec_seg_101809_88","created_at":"2026-10-31T08:06:10Z","speaker_name":"Andre M. Boggerty"},{"id":"seg_101809_89","meeting_id":"101809","media_asset_id":"med_101809_1d70ed02b65b72c2","agenda_item_id":null,"speaker_id":"off_gerald_l_rocha_sr","speaker_confidence":0.95,"start_sec":1996.01,"end_sec":2032.21,"text":"Okay. Is there anyone in the public who wanted to make a comment? You'd have to chime in now. Okay. It looks like that question must've been answered. Anyone online?","topics_json":"[]","vector_id":"vec_seg_101809_89","created_at":"2026-10-31T08:06:10Z","speaker_name":"Gerald L. Rocha, Sr."},{"id":"seg_101809_9","meeting_id":"101809","media_asset_id":"med_101809_1d70ed02b65b72c2","agenda_item_id":null,"speaker_id":"off_gerald_l_rocha_sr","speaker_confidence":1,"start_sec":35.72,"end_sec":88.47,"text":"Thank you, Council President. Um, to begin with, I went to the Family Court ribbon cutting ceremony. Also attended two construction and property code enforcement board appeals meetings. Also went to the DEMEC dinner. Also had a meeting with DDP with the EPA Riverwalk assessment with also Jason Lyon in attendance, our assistant city manager, and we had a Village of Dover town hall meeting at the library and attended that. Other than some constituent complaints that I'm working on, that's pretty much my report. And thank you, Council President.","topics_json":"[]","vector_id":"vec_seg_101809_9","created_at":"2026-10-31T08:06:10Z","speaker_name":"Gerald L. Rocha, Sr."},{"id":"seg_101809_90","meeting_id":"101809","media_asset_id":"med_101809_1d70ed02b65b72c2","agenda_item_id":null,"speaker_id":"spk_101809_city_clerk","speaker_confidence":0.95,"start_sec":2032.51,"end_sec":2033.43,"text":"Mr. Garfinkel.","topics_json":"[]","vector_id":"vec_seg_101809_90","created_at":"2026-10-31T08:06:10Z","speaker_name":null},{"id":"seg_101809_91","meeting_id":"101809","media_asset_id":"med_101809_1d70ed02b65b72c2","agenda_item_id":null,"speaker_id":"off_gerald_l_rocha_sr","speaker_confidence":0.95,"start_sec":2033.43,"end_sec":2035.25,"text":"Mr. Garfinkel? Yes.","topics_json":"[]","vector_id":"vec_seg_101809_91","created_at":"2026-10-31T08:06:10Z","speaker_name":"Gerald L. Rocha, Sr."},{"id":"seg_101809_92","meeting_id":"101809","media_asset_id":"med_101809_1d70ed02b65b72c2","agenda_item_id":null,"speaker_id":"spk_101809_city_clerk","speaker_confidence":0.95,"start_sec":2035.56,"end_sec":2039.81,"text":"Could you please unmute, Mr. Garfinkel? Go ahead.","topics_json":"[]","vector_id":"vec_seg_101809_92","created_at":"2026-10-31T08:06:10Z","speaker_name":null},{"id":"seg_101809_93","meeting_id":"101809","media_asset_id":"med_101809_1d70ed02b65b72c2","agenda_item_id":null,"speaker_id":"off_gerald_l_rocha_sr","speaker_confidence":0.95,"start_sec":2042.86,"end_sec":2045.9,"text":"You may proceed.","topics_json":"[]","vector_id":"vec_seg_101809_93","created_at":"2026-10-31T08:06:10Z","speaker_name":"Gerald L. Rocha, Sr."},{"id":"seg_101809_94","meeting_id":"101809","media_asset_id":"med_101809_1d70ed02b65b72c2","agenda_item_id":null,"speaker_id":"spk_101809_mr_garfinkel","speaker_confidence":0.9,"start_sec":2046.51,"end_sec":2055.33,"text":"[inaudible] Good afternoon, Mayor and members of council, can you hear me?","topics_json":"[]","vector_id":"vec_seg_101809_94","created_at":"2026-10-31T08:06:10Z","speaker_name":"Mr. Garfinkel"},{"id":"seg_101809_95","meeting_id":"101809","media_asset_id":"med_101809_1d70ed02b65b72c2","agenda_item_id":null,"speaker_id":"off_gerald_l_rocha_sr","speaker_confidence":0.95,"start_sec":2055.63,"end_sec":2057.15,"text":"We can hear you now. Yes.","topics_json":"[]","vector_id":"vec_seg_101809_95","created_at":"2026-10-31T08:06:10Z","speaker_name":"Gerald L. Rocha, Sr."},{"id":"seg_101809_96","meeting_id":"101809","media_asset_id":"med_101809_1d70ed02b65b72c2","agenda_item_id":null,"speaker_id":"spk_101809_eddie_kopp","speaker_confidence":0.9,"start_sec":2057.46,"end_sec":2115.86,"text":"Thanks for the question. Um, will both, uh, I will clarify. Um, I I understand what you're saying, but even even floodlights, I don't think it's going to be disruptive for those lights, uh, spotlights, uh, those kind those kind of lights. Like, LED lights now are very powerful. They're almost too bright at points, um, but most, uh, outdoor lights have some kind of mechanism to, uh, force the light in a certain direction. That is definitely not what he's trying to talk into someone's window. You might have a little bit of residual light on property, but it's not fully focused into that window to cause that nuisance.","topics_json":"[\"zoning\",\"public_safety\"]","vector_id":"vec_seg_101809_96","created_at":"2026-10-31T08:06:10Z","speaker_name":"Eddie Kopp"},{"id":"seg_101809_97","meeting_id":"101809","media_asset_id":"med_101809_1d70ed02b65b72c2","agenda_item_id":null,"speaker_id":"off_gerald_l_rocha_sr","speaker_confidence":0.95,"start_sec":2116.47,"end_sec":2120.42,"text":"Thank you. Mr. Shavahn in the audience?","topics_json":"[]","vector_id":"vec_seg_101809_97","created_at":"2026-10-31T08:06:10Z","speaker_name":"Gerald L. Rocha, Sr."},{"id":"seg_101809_98","meeting_id":"101809","media_asset_id":"med_101809_1d70ed02b65b72c2","agenda_item_id":null,"speaker_id":"spk_101809_public_commenter","speaker_confidence":0.85,"start_sec":2120.72,"end_sec":2215.32,"text":"Yes. Thank you, Councilman. Um, State College and seems to be turned on a blinding light that comes down the road to seen us, uh, toward the bridge. I don't know if State College is regulation that was a question. Even at night, it's uh it's blinding. I don't know if that falls under this or where would that be applied?","topics_json":"[\"public_safety\",\"zoning\"]","vector_id":"vec_seg_101809_98","created_at":"2026-10-31T08:06:10Z","speaker_name":null},{"id":"seg_101809_99","meeting_id":"101809","media_asset_id":"med_101809_1d70ed02b65b72c2","agenda_item_id":null,"speaker_id":"spk_101809_eddie_kopp","speaker_confidence":0.9,"start_sec":2215.63,"end_sec":2239.96,"text":"Yeah, so it wouldn't fall under this ordinance. However, uh, the the college you're speaking of, that would be considered commercial property. There is already language in the code that accounts for that. If it's a portable light, that might be a little bit different. Um, I mean, we've dealt with this before at a sports field, um, but it fell, because commercial property fell under that, uh, ordinance in the zoning ordinance. Uh, in here, there is no language right now for residential property. It's only commercial property to residential property, not residential to residential, which is why this is being presented.","topics_json":"[\"zoning\",\"public_safety\"]","vector_id":"vec_seg_101809_99","created_at":"2026-10-31T08:06:10Z","speaker_name":"Eddie Kopp"},{"id":"seg_101812_1","meeting_id":"101812","media_asset_id":"med_101812_dbf6d476fd7f10ea","agenda_item_id":null,"speaker_id":"off_roy_sudler_jr","speaker_confidence":0.95,"start_sec":1.83,"end_sec":10.05,"text":"I now call to order the City of Dover, Delaware's Code Board of Appeals dated October 8th, 2024 at approximately 3:31 p.m.","topics_json":"[]","vector_id":"vec_seg_101812_1","created_at":"2026-10-31T08:05:46Z","speaker_name":"Roy Sudler, Jr."},{"id":"seg_101812_10","meeting_id":"101812","media_asset_id":"med_101812_dbf6d476fd7f10ea","agenda_item_id":null,"speaker_id":"off_roy_sudler_jr","speaker_confidence":0.95,"start_sec":21.32,"end_sec":28.93,"text":"The motion is adopted. Item 1: appeal of case number 26-00003873 and related fines at 624 Walker Road.","topics_json":"[]","vector_id":"vec_seg_101812_10","created_at":"2026-10-31T08:05:46Z","speaker_name":"Roy Sudler, Jr."},{"id":"seg_101812_11","meeting_id":"101812","media_asset_id":"med_101812_dbf6d476fd7f10ea","agenda_item_id":null,"speaker_id":"off_roy_sudler_jr","speaker_confidence":0.95,"start_sec":30.75,"end_sec":34.41,"text":"Code Enforcement, you now have the floor. Please uh state your name for the record.","topics_json":"[]","vector_id":"vec_seg_101812_11","created_at":"2026-10-31T08:05:46Z","speaker_name":"Roy Sudler, Jr."},{"id":"seg_101812_12","meeting_id":"101812","media_asset_id":"med_101812_dbf6d476fd7f10ea","agenda_item_id":null,"speaker_id":"spk_101812_eddie_kopp","speaker_confidence":0.95,"start_sec":35.02,"end_sec":68.51,"text":"Um Eddie Kopp, Chief Code Enforcement Officer for the City of Dover. Um the time is now 3:32 p.m. There is no appearance of the appellant um at the meeting. Is there an appearance online, Madam Clerk?","topics_json":"[]","vector_id":"vec_seg_101812_12","created_at":"2026-10-31T08:05:46Z","speaker_name":"Eddie Kopp"},{"id":"seg_101812_13","meeting_id":"101812","media_asset_id":"med_101812_dbf6d476fd7f10ea","agenda_item_id":null,"speaker_id":"spk_101812_city_clerk","speaker_confidence":0.9,"start_sec":68.82,"end_sec":69.55,"text":"There's not now.","topics_json":"[]","vector_id":"vec_seg_101812_13","created_at":"2026-10-31T08:05:46Z","speaker_name":null},{"id":"seg_101812_14","meeting_id":"101812","media_asset_id":"med_101812_dbf6d476fd7f10ea","agenda_item_id":null,"speaker_id":"spk_101812_eddie_kopp","speaker_confidence":0.95,"start_sec":69.73,"end_sec":73.69,"text":"So it's going to be uh Code Enforcement's position to recommend the denial of the appeal due to a no-show of the appellant.","topics_json":"[]","vector_id":"vec_seg_101812_14","created_at":"2026-10-31T08:05:46Z","speaker_name":"Eddie Kopp"},{"id":"seg_101812_15","meeting_id":"101812","media_asset_id":"med_101812_dbf6d476fd7f10ea","agenda_item_id":null,"speaker_id":"off_roy_sudler_jr","speaker_confidence":0.95,"start_sec":74.3,"end_sec":76.43,"text":"All right. Is there any questions from committee members?","topics_json":"[]","vector_id":"vec_seg_101812_15","created_at":"2026-10-31T08:05:46Z","speaker_name":"Roy Sudler, Jr."},{"id":"seg_101812_16","meeting_id":"101812","media_asset_id":"med_101812_dbf6d476fd7f10ea","agenda_item_id":null,"speaker_id":"off_fred_a_neil","speaker_confidence":0.95,"start_sec":76.49,"end_sec":78.26,"text":"Well, can we wait, give them 5 minutes?","topics_json":"[]","vector_id":"vec_seg_101812_16","created_at":"2026-10-31T08:05:46Z","speaker_name":"Fred A. Neil"},{"id":"seg_101812_17","meeting_id":"101812","media_asset_id":"med_101812_dbf6d476fd7f10ea","agenda_item_id":null,"speaker_id":"off_roy_sudler_jr","speaker_confidence":0.95,"start_sec":78.32,"end_sec":83.13,"text":"The the chair recognized Council President Neil. Council President Neil requests that we give the appellant 5 minutes.","topics_json":"[]","vector_id":"vec_seg_101812_17","created_at":"2026-10-31T08:05:46Z","speaker_name":"Roy Sudler, Jr."},{"id":"seg_101812_18","meeting_id":"101812","media_asset_id":"med_101812_dbf6d476fd7f10ea","agenda_item_id":null,"speaker_id":"off_roy_sudler_jr","speaker_confidence":0.95,"start_sec":84.65,"end_sec":86.78,"text":"Yes, the chair recognizes Miss Melinda Mayne. Miss Mayne?","topics_json":"[]","vector_id":"vec_seg_101812_18","created_at":"2026-10-31T08:05:46Z","speaker_name":"Roy Sudler, Jr."},{"id":"seg_101812_19","meeting_id":"101812","media_asset_id":"med_101812_dbf6d476fd7f10ea","agenda_item_id":null,"speaker_id":"off_roy_sudler_jr","speaker_confidence":0.95,"start_sec":88.31,"end_sec":90.74,"text":"I'm sorry. I think you're, okay, I think you're muted.","topics_json":"[]","vector_id":"vec_seg_101812_19","created_at":"2026-10-31T08:05:46Z","speaker_name":"Roy Sudler, Jr."},{"id":"seg_101812_2","meeting_id":"101812","media_asset_id":"med_101812_dbf6d476fd7f10ea","agenda_item_id":null,"speaker_id":"off_roy_sudler_jr","speaker_confidence":0.95,"start_sec":10.35,"end_sec":13.09,"text":"The chair will now accept the motion to adopt the agenda as presented.","topics_json":"[]","vector_id":"vec_seg_101812_2","created_at":"2026-10-31T08:05:46Z","speaker_name":"Roy Sudler, Jr."},{"id":"seg_101812_20","meeting_id":"101812","media_asset_id":"med_101812_dbf6d476fd7f10ea","agenda_item_id":null,"speaker_id":"spk_101812_melinda_mayne","speaker_confidence":0.9,"start_sec":90.8,"end_sec":123.63,"text":"Sorry about that. Can we have a review on exactly what the um the meeting is about? Cuz I looked up the information, but didn't get the agenda in order to know what the fines were.","topics_json":"[]","vector_id":"vec_seg_101812_20","created_at":"2026-10-31T08:05:46Z","speaker_name":"Melinda Mayne"},{"id":"seg_101812_21","meeting_id":"101812","media_asset_id":"med_101812_dbf6d476fd7f10ea","agenda_item_id":null,"speaker_id":"off_roy_sudler_jr","speaker_confidence":0.95,"start_sec":124.24,"end_sec":132.46,"text":"Okay, that's that's just fine. So as we wait, if everyone's in agreement, we'll just review the case. Um please state your name for the record, and what you would like to share with us in regards to the case details. Thank you, sir.","topics_json":"[]","vector_id":"vec_seg_101812_21","created_at":"2026-10-31T08:05:46Z","speaker_name":"Roy Sudler, Jr."},{"id":"seg_101812_22","meeting_id":"101812","media_asset_id":"med_101812_dbf6d476fd7f10ea","agenda_item_id":null,"speaker_id":"spk_101812_doug_wood","speaker_confidence":0.95,"start_sec":132.76,"end_sec":187.88,"text":"This is uh Doug Wood, City of Dover Code Enforcement. Um the address for this is uh 624 Walker Road, case number 26-00003873. Um the if this case was originated by myself. Um it was initiated um on 9/8, September 8th, 2024 uh from the public right-of-way. Uh I observed a tree on the corner of the driveway in the alley um appeared to be diseased, dying, due to um due to the tree's condition. Uh notice was sent to the owner on 9/9, September 9th, 2024, providing 60 days to remove the tree from the property and properly dispose of.","topics_json":"[]","vector_id":"vec_seg_101812_22","created_at":"2026-10-31T08:05:46Z","speaker_name":"Doug Wood"},{"id":"seg_101812_23","meeting_id":"101812","media_asset_id":"med_101812_dbf6d476fd7f10ea","agenda_item_id":null,"speaker_id":"off_roy_sudler_jr","speaker_confidence":0.95,"start_sec":189.4,"end_sec":190.01,"text":"Continue, sir.","topics_json":"[]","vector_id":"vec_seg_101812_23","created_at":"2026-10-31T08:05:46Z","speaker_name":"Roy Sudler, Jr."},{"id":"seg_101812_24","meeting_id":"101812","media_asset_id":"med_101812_dbf6d476fd7f10ea","agenda_item_id":null,"speaker_id":"spk_101812_doug_wood","speaker_confidence":0.95,"start_sec":190.62,"end_sec":197.01,"text":"No communication has been received from the owner uh to Code Enforcement outside of the appeal letter that was sent to the uh Clerk's office.","topics_json":"[]","vector_id":"vec_seg_101812_24","created_at":"2026-10-31T08:05:46Z","speaker_name":"Doug Wood"},{"id":"seg_101812_25","meeting_id":"101812","media_asset_id":"med_101812_dbf6d476fd7f10ea","agenda_item_id":null,"speaker_id":"spk_101812_city_clerk","speaker_confidence":0.9,"start_sec":199.14,"end_sec":200.97,"text":"Hold on, I'm going to mute her. Sorry. My bad.","topics_json":"[]","vector_id":"vec_seg_101812_25","created_at":"2026-10-31T08:05:46Z","speaker_name":null},{"id":"seg_101812_26","meeting_id":"101812","media_asset_id":"med_101812_dbf6d476fd7f10ea","agenda_item_id":null,"speaker_id":"spk_101812_city_clerk","speaker_confidence":0.9,"start_sec":213.15,"end_sec":214.37,"text":"Sorry. My bad.","topics_json":"[]","vector_id":"vec_seg_101812_26","created_at":"2026-10-31T08:05:46Z","speaker_name":null},{"id":"seg_101812_27","meeting_id":"101812","media_asset_id":"med_101812_dbf6d476fd7f10ea","agenda_item_id":null,"speaker_id":"off_roy_sudler_jr","speaker_confidence":0.95,"start_sec":214.67,"end_sec":215.89,"text":"No worries. Continue, sir.","topics_json":"[]","vector_id":"vec_seg_101812_27","created_at":"2026-10-31T08:05:46Z","speaker_name":"Roy Sudler, Jr."},{"id":"seg_101812_28","meeting_id":"101812","media_asset_id":"med_101812_dbf6d476fd7f10ea","agenda_item_id":null,"speaker_id":"spk_101812_doug_wood","speaker_confidence":0.95,"start_sec":245.43,"end_sec":317.29,"text":"Uh Doug Wood, City of Dover Code Enforcement. Um this case is 624 Walker Road, case number 26-00003873. Uh this case was originated by myself. Um it was conducted on September 8th, 2024 from the public public right-of-way. Uh I observed a tree uh on the corner of the driveway in the alley that appeared to be diseased, dying. Uh after observing the tree, um notice was sent to the owner on 9/9, September 9th, 2024, providing 60 days to remove the tree and properly dispose of. Uh I have not received any communication um from the owner to Code Enforcement outside of the appeal that was sent um on 9/17/2024 uh to the Clerk's office. Uh the owner does believe that the tree is healthy and that the condition observed is just normal process of the tree cycle. Um all enforcement has stopped since the appeal was received and, as of this date, the tree still remains uh in the same condition uh, and I took pictures today, so showing those conditions.","topics_json":"[]","vector_id":"vec_seg_101812_28","created_at":"2026-10-31T08:05:46Z","speaker_name":"Doug Wood"},{"id":"seg_101812_29","meeting_id":"101812","media_asset_id":"med_101812_dbf6d476fd7f10ea","agenda_item_id":null,"speaker_id":"off_roy_sudler_jr","speaker_confidence":0.95,"start_sec":319.12,"end_sec":320.95,"text":"Are there any questions from committee members?","topics_json":"[]","vector_id":"vec_seg_101812_29","created_at":"2026-10-31T08:05:46Z","speaker_name":"Roy Sudler, Jr."},{"id":"seg_101812_3","meeting_id":"101812","media_asset_id":"med_101812_dbf6d476fd7f10ea","agenda_item_id":null,"speaker_id":"off_fred_a_neil","speaker_confidence":0.95,"start_sec":13.15,"end_sec":13.89,"text":"Move, so moved.","topics_json":"[]","vector_id":"vec_seg_101812_3","created_at":"2026-10-31T08:05:46Z","speaker_name":"Fred A. 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Miss Mayne?","topics_json":"[]","vector_id":"vec_seg_101812_31","created_at":"2026-10-31T08:05:46Z","speaker_name":"Roy Sudler, Jr."},{"id":"seg_101812_32","meeting_id":"101812","media_asset_id":"med_101812_dbf6d476fd7f10ea","agenda_item_id":null,"speaker_id":"spk_101812_melinda_mayne","speaker_confidence":0.9,"start_sec":324.3,"end_sec":326.43,"text":"Um that the tree is a pine tree, am I correct?","topics_json":"[]","vector_id":"vec_seg_101812_32","created_at":"2026-10-31T08:05:46Z","speaker_name":"Melinda Mayne"},{"id":"seg_101812_33","meeting_id":"101812","media_asset_id":"med_101812_dbf6d476fd7f10ea","agenda_item_id":null,"speaker_id":"spk_101812_doug_wood","speaker_confidence":0.95,"start_sec":326.73,"end_sec":327.95,"text":"It is a conifer, yes.","topics_json":"[]","vector_id":"vec_seg_101812_33","created_at":"2026-10-31T08:05:46Z","speaker_name":"Doug Wood"},{"id":"seg_101812_34","meeting_id":"101812","media_asset_id":"med_101812_dbf6d476fd7f10ea","agenda_item_id":null,"speaker_id":"spk_101812_melinda_mayne","speaker_confidence":0.9,"start_sec":328.56,"end_sec":366.32,"text":"Oh okay, cuz um it it does go through a cycle, but that to me is a dead tree, um just a as a just looking at it, if it's still the same way since the last time you looked, um I would consider it a dead tree. Um is there any type of green life on it whatsoever that you could see?","topics_json":"[]","vector_id":"vec_seg_101812_34","created_at":"2026-10-31T08:05:46Z","speaker_name":"Melinda Mayne"},{"id":"seg_101812_35","meeting_id":"101812","media_asset_id":"med_101812_dbf6d476fd7f10ea","agenda_item_id":null,"speaker_id":"spk_101812_doug_wood","speaker_confidence":0.95,"start_sec":366.93,"end_sec":381.85,"text":"Uh Doug Wood, City of Dover Code Enforcement. No. Um I don't believe there is any green on it at all. Um and, you know, most conifers do shed needles from the inside out, but that's after they produce, you know, new green, new growth in June and July. Um and there is a few varieties of deciduous conifers, um but that that is not one of them.","topics_json":"[]","vector_id":"vec_seg_101812_35","created_at":"2026-10-31T08:05:46Z","speaker_name":"Doug Wood"},{"id":"seg_101812_36","meeting_id":"101812","media_asset_id":"med_101812_dbf6d476fd7f10ea","agenda_item_id":null,"speaker_id":"spk_101812_melinda_mayne","speaker_confidence":0.9,"start_sec":381.91,"end_sec":382.46,"text":"Okay.","topics_json":"[]","vector_id":"vec_seg_101812_36","created_at":"2026-10-31T08:05:46Z","speaker_name":"Melinda Mayne"},{"id":"seg_101812_37","meeting_id":"101812","media_asset_id":"med_101812_dbf6d476fd7f10ea","agenda_item_id":null,"speaker_id":"spk_101812_doug_wood","speaker_confidence":0.95,"start_sec":382.52,"end_sec":389.76,"text":"Yeah, that that would be a uh cypresses, a bald cypress, and also uh some varieties of larch trees can grow here, but that that is not one of them.","topics_json":"[]","vector_id":"vec_seg_101812_37","created_at":"2026-10-31T08:05:46Z","speaker_name":"Doug Wood"},{"id":"seg_101812_38","meeting_id":"101812","media_asset_id":"med_101812_dbf6d476fd7f10ea","agenda_item_id":null,"speaker_id":"off_roy_sudler_jr","speaker_confidence":0.95,"start_sec":390.37,"end_sec":390.86,"text":"Yes.","topics_json":"[]","vector_id":"vec_seg_101812_38","created_at":"2026-10-31T08:05:46Z","speaker_name":"Roy Sudler, Jr."},{"id":"seg_101812_39","meeting_id":"101812","media_asset_id":"med_101812_dbf6d476fd7f10ea","agenda_item_id":null,"speaker_id":"spk_101812_eddie_kopp","speaker_confidence":0.95,"start_sec":390.98,"end_sec":391.9,"text":"If I may, um, Mr.","topics_json":"[]","vector_id":"vec_seg_101812_39","created_at":"2026-10-31T08:05:46Z","speaker_name":"Eddie Kopp"},{"id":"seg_101812_4","meeting_id":"101812","media_asset_id":"med_101812_dbf6d476fd7f10ea","agenda_item_id":null,"speaker_id":"off_roy_sudler_jr","speaker_confidence":0.95,"start_sec":13.95,"end_sec":15.96,"text":"It's been properly moved to adopt the agenda as presented. 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Could you um relate to the board your experience with um vegetation and and trees, just so they're aware that it's not just coming out of code, sure, um code official's opinion. Okay. Yes.","topics_json":"[]","vector_id":"vec_seg_101812_41","created_at":"2026-10-31T08:05:46Z","speaker_name":"Eddie Kopp"},{"id":"seg_101812_42","meeting_id":"101812","media_asset_id":"med_101812_dbf6d476fd7f10ea","agenda_item_id":null,"speaker_id":"spk_101812_doug_wood","speaker_confidence":0.95,"start_sec":433,"end_sec":439.7,"text":"I am a DNLA uh Master Landscaper, and I had my own business for 22 years in the landscape business, so that's that would be my background.","topics_json":"[]","vector_id":"vec_seg_101812_42","created_at":"2026-10-31T08:05:46Z","speaker_name":"Doug Wood"},{"id":"seg_101812_43","meeting_id":"101812","media_asset_id":"med_101812_dbf6d476fd7f10ea","agenda_item_id":null,"speaker_id":"off_roy_sudler_jr","speaker_confidence":0.95,"start_sec":440.31,"end_sec":444.57,"text":"For for for the record, can you uh define the abbreviation of the N, what did you say, N?","topics_json":"[]","vector_id":"vec_seg_101812_43","created_at":"2026-10-31T08:05:46Z","speaker_name":"Roy Sudler, Jr."},{"id":"seg_101812_44","meeting_id":"101812","media_asset_id":"med_101812_dbf6d476fd7f10ea","agenda_item_id":null,"speaker_id":"spk_101812_doug_wood","speaker_confidence":0.95,"start_sec":444.64,"end_sec":446.1,"text":"DNLA. 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Is the applicant online, Madam Clerk, Ruby?","topics_json":"[]","vector_id":"vec_seg_101812_48","created_at":"2026-10-31T08:05:46Z","speaker_name":"Roy Sudler, Jr."},{"id":"seg_101812_49","meeting_id":"101812","media_asset_id":"med_101812_dbf6d476fd7f10ea","agenda_item_id":null,"speaker_id":"spk_101812_city_clerk","speaker_confidence":0.9,"start_sec":454.62,"end_sec":456.15,"text":"Let's see.","topics_json":"[]","vector_id":"vec_seg_101812_49","created_at":"2026-10-31T08:05:46Z","speaker_name":null},{"id":"seg_101812_5","meeting_id":"101812","media_asset_id":"med_101812_dbf6d476fd7f10ea","agenda_item_id":null,"speaker_id":"spk_101812_board_member","speaker_confidence":0.7,"start_sec":16.02,"end_sec":16.56,"text":"Second.","topics_json":"[]","vector_id":"vec_seg_101812_5","created_at":"2026-10-31T08:05:46Z","speaker_name":null},{"id":"seg_101812_50","meeting_id":"101812","media_asset_id":"med_101812_dbf6d476fd7f10ea","agenda_item_id":null,"speaker_id":"spk_101812_city_clerk","speaker_confidence":0.9,"start_sec":458.58,"end_sec":460.41,"text":"I'm trying to see if this is actual. 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All those in favor, please state by saying aye.","topics_json":"[]","vector_id":"vec_seg_101812_6","created_at":"2026-10-31T08:05:46Z","speaker_name":"Roy Sudler, Jr."},{"id":"seg_101812_60","meeting_id":"101812","media_asset_id":"med_101812_dbf6d476fd7f10ea","agenda_item_id":null,"speaker_id":"off_roy_sudler_jr","speaker_confidence":0.95,"start_sec":559.13,"end_sec":561.5,"text":"It's properly seconded. Any discussion on the motion?","topics_json":"[]","vector_id":"vec_seg_101812_60","created_at":"2026-10-31T08:05:46Z","speaker_name":"Roy Sudler, Jr."},{"id":"seg_101812_61","meeting_id":"101812","media_asset_id":"med_101812_dbf6d476fd7f10ea","agenda_item_id":null,"speaker_id":"off_roy_sudler_jr","speaker_confidence":0.95,"start_sec":561.81,"end_sec":565.16,"text":"Discussion? The chair recognizes Miss Mayne. Miss Mayne, you've been recognized.","topics_json":"[]","vector_id":"vec_seg_101812_61","created_at":"2026-10-31T08:05:46Z","speaker_name":"Roy Sudler, Jr."},{"id":"seg_101812_62","meeting_id":"101812","media_asset_id":"med_101812_dbf6d476fd7f10ea","agenda_item_id":null,"speaker_id":"spk_101812_melinda_mayne","speaker_confidence":0.9,"start_sec":565.77,"end_sec":576.73,"text":"Um the what and is there like a sentimental value to this tree that she doesn't want to remove it, or is it an old tree? Is it, I mean, is there some some attachment to it that she's refusing to remove?","topics_json":"[]","vector_id":"vec_seg_101812_62","created_at":"2026-10-31T08:05:46Z","speaker_name":"Melinda Mayne"},{"id":"seg_101812_63","meeting_id":"101812","media_asset_id":"med_101812_dbf6d476fd7f10ea","agenda_item_id":null,"speaker_id":"spk_101812_eddie_kopp","speaker_confidence":0.95,"start_sec":394.64,"end_sec":395.24,"text":"If I may.","topics_json":"[]","vector_id":"vec_seg_101812_63","created_at":"2026-10-31T08:05:46Z","speaker_name":"Eddie Kopp"},{"id":"seg_101812_64","meeting_id":"101812","media_asset_id":"med_101812_dbf6d476fd7f10ea","agenda_item_id":null,"speaker_id":"off_roy_sudler_jr","speaker_confidence":0.95,"start_sec":578.01,"end_sec":579.29,"text":"The chair recognizes Mr. Kopp.","topics_json":"[]","vector_id":"vec_seg_101812_64","created_at":"2026-10-31T08:05:46Z","speaker_name":"Roy Sudler, Jr."},{"id":"seg_101812_65","meeting_id":"101812","media_asset_id":"med_101812_dbf6d476fd7f10ea","agenda_item_id":null,"speaker_id":"spk_101812_eddie_kopp","speaker_confidence":0.95,"start_sec":579.35,"end_sec":616.01,"text":"Eddie Kopp, um Chief Code Enforcement Officer for the City of Dover. The code does not um allow us to speculate on that. The code is clear um a dead, diseased, or dying tree. Um the fact that we believe it's a dead, diseased, or dying tree should be the only thing um considered for this matter before the appeal board today.","topics_json":"[]","vector_id":"vec_seg_101812_65","created_at":"2026-10-31T08:05:46Z","speaker_name":"Eddie Kopp"},{"id":"seg_101812_66","meeting_id":"101812","media_asset_id":"med_101812_dbf6d476fd7f10ea","agenda_item_id":null,"speaker_id":"spk_101812_melinda_mayne","speaker_confidence":0.9,"start_sec":618.45,"end_sec":640.98,"text":"And I'm I'm going to agree with if if it if it's dead, it's dead. It needs to be, you know, cut down, and if she chooses to plant another one there that's going to live, I mean, I I am, you know, I am going for, yeah, that tree does need to be removed before it ends up damaging property, or if the ground softens to where it does fall and damage something of the owner of the property, or someone else's property. Um I just kind of am wondering why she's fighting on getting not chopping the tree down, or having somebody, you know, hiring somebody to take the tree down.","topics_json":"[]","vector_id":"vec_seg_101812_66","created_at":"2026-10-31T08:05:46Z","speaker_name":"Melinda Mayne"},{"id":"seg_101812_67","meeting_id":"101812","media_asset_id":"med_101812_dbf6d476fd7f10ea","agenda_item_id":null,"speaker_id":"off_roy_sudler_jr","speaker_confidence":0.95,"start_sec":641.89,"end_sec":644.33,"text":"Thank you. Thank you for your comments. 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The proposed ordinance 2023-15 is available at the entrance of the council chambers or at the city clerk's website, www.cityofdover.com under government, or by contacting the city clerk's office at 302- 736- 7008, or clerk- [contact removed] .gov. Um, request uh Jason, Mr. Kopp, to brief us on this item.","topics_json":"[]","vector_id":"vec_seg_101943_138","created_at":"2026-10-31T08:06:09Z","speaker_name":"Fred A. Neil"},{"id":"seg_101943_139","meeting_id":"101943","media_asset_id":"med_101943_d040d818f51e6b92","agenda_item_id":null,"speaker_id":"spk_101943_jason_kopp","speaker_confidence":0.95,"start_sec":1394.06,"end_sec":1454.64,"text":"Good evening. This ordinance before you tonight, 2023-15, uh the proposed ordinance establishes standard for exterior lighting within the city of Dover, addressing matters such as unreasonable lighting, glare, and illuminate- illumination and light trespass. The ordinance requires exterior lighting to be installed, maintained, and operated in a manner that minimizes its impact on adjacent properties and public rights-of-way. These amendments provide a specific regulatory framework for addressing lighting-related complaints and violation, while standardizing consistent intent to prevent excessive lighting, glare, and light trespass from adversely affecting neighboring property. This ordinance before you is uh a result of several complaints regarding nuisance lighting, uh in particular lights flashing into neighboring properties.","topics_json":"[\"zoning\",\"public_safety\"]","vector_id":"vec_seg_101943_139","created_at":"2026-10-31T08:06:09Z","speaker_name":"Jason Kopp"},{"id":"seg_101943_14","meeting_id":"101943","media_asset_id":"med_101943_d040d818f51e6b92","agenda_item_id":null,"speaker_id":"off_david_l_anderson","speaker_confidence":0.95,"start_sec":91.16,"end_sec":97.61,"text":"Can for item 10, mine—it's, I know it's supposed to be, I thought it was 10. Is it, um, item—","topics_json":"[]","vector_id":"vec_seg_101943_14","created_at":"2026-10-31T08:06:09Z","speaker_name":"David L. Anderson"},{"id":"seg_101943_140","meeting_id":"101943","media_asset_id":"med_101943_d040d818f51e6b92","agenda_item_id":null,"speaker_id":"off_fred_a_neil","speaker_confidence":0.95,"start_sec":1455.73,"end_sec":1456.89,"text":"Questions? Councilman uh Sud- uh Sudler.","topics_json":"[]","vector_id":"vec_seg_101943_140","created_at":"2026-10-31T08:06:09Z","speaker_name":"Fred A. 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If you don't have anything in place, I want to thank you for taking the time to orchestrate something and and address this issue that I think that what uh code enforcement uh should be doing, and and I appreciate uh your efforts and both departments' efforts on this. Thank you. Thank you, Mr. Councilman.","topics_json":"[\"zoning\",\"public_safety\"]","vector_id":"vec_seg_101943_148","created_at":"2026-10-31T08:06:09Z","speaker_name":"Roy Sudler, Jr."},{"id":"seg_101943_149","meeting_id":"101943","media_asset_id":"med_101943_d040d818f51e6b92","agenda_item_id":null,"speaker_id":"off_fred_a_neil","speaker_confidence":0.95,"start_sec":1554.14,"end_sec":1555.06,"text":"Councilman Lewis.","topics_json":"[]","vector_id":"vec_seg_101943_149","created_at":"2026-10-31T08:06:09Z","speaker_name":"Fred A. 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Their concern was that they have a floodlight, but for safety concerns, uh because, you know, people congregate out in that area, and they basically, uh saying that um it somehow will affect um, you know, business's spotlight shining out there, you know, to deter uh vagrants or, you know, trespassers from going on their property. Um, how will this affect that, if it does?","topics_json":"[\"business\",\"public_safety\",\"zoning\",\"homelessness\"]","vector_id":"vec_seg_101943_150","created_at":"2026-10-31T08:06:09Z","speaker_name":"Brian E. Lewis"},{"id":"seg_101943_151","meeting_id":"101943","media_asset_id":"med_101943_d040d818f51e6b92","agenda_item_id":null,"speaker_id":"spk_101943_jason_kopp","speaker_confidence":0.95,"start_sec":1607.79,"end_sec":1626.58,"text":"So, this specific ordinance uh would not address a business. There is current legislation or just current uh a current ordinance in the zoning code that would prevent a business from doing this very thing. It's very specific to businesses. Um, unfortunately, the zoning code does not cover residential, which is why this ordinance comes to light. This is This ordinance would cover residential-to-residential, but for that particular situation for commercial, that would be in the zoning code.","topics_json":"[\"zoning\",\"business\"]","vector_id":"vec_seg_101943_151","created_at":"2026-10-31T08:06:09Z","speaker_name":"Jason Kopp"},{"id":"seg_101943_152","meeting_id":"101943","media_asset_id":"med_101943_d040d818f51e6b92","agenda_item_id":null,"speaker_id":"off_brian_e_lewis","speaker_confidence":0.95,"start_sec":1627.13,"end_sec":1629.99,"text":"Okay. So, it will cover that. Uh a business saying that would be a violation?","topics_json":"[\"business\",\"zoning\"]","vector_id":"vec_seg_101943_152","created_at":"2026-10-31T08:06:09Z","speaker_name":"Brian E. Lewis"},{"id":"seg_101943_153","meeting_id":"101943","media_asset_id":"med_101943_d040d818f51e6b92","agenda_item_id":null,"speaker_id":"spk_101943_jason_kopp","speaker_confidence":0.95,"start_sec":1630.35,"end_sec":1667.27,"text":"It could It could be a violation. Um the the parameters of that ordinance are very particular. It's So, um I don't have it in front of me to to quote, but it is uh very particular uh in that ordinance. So, even without this, that could potentially be a violation depending on how it's positioned and...","topics_json":"[\"business\",\"zoning\"]","vector_id":"vec_seg_101943_153","created_at":"2026-10-31T08:06:09Z","speaker_name":"Jason Kopp"},{"id":"seg_101943_154","meeting_id":"101943","media_asset_id":"med_101943_d040d818f51e6b92","agenda_item_id":null,"speaker_id":"off_brian_e_lewis","speaker_confidence":0.95,"start_sec":1667.76,"end_sec":1695.37,"text":"Okay, so I'll uh refer that uh particular ordinance uh to the business owner. Um, so the other concern is um, again, has to do with safety with uh, you know, residential areas with spotlight, well, a lot of people, you know, uh put these lights up, even uh sensor lights, to protect their homes. So, the concern that um they had in the feedback I got from a lot of my constituents in the Second District, again, has to do with uh, you know, keeping people off their property. I know like the sensor-activated lights, they only stay on for a certain amount of time. Uh, is that going to be a violation or affect uh somebody with this new ordinance?","topics_json":"[\"public_safety\",\"zoning\"]","vector_id":"vec_seg_101943_154","created_at":"2026-10-31T08:06:09Z","speaker_name":"Brian E. Lewis"},{"id":"seg_101943_155","meeting_id":"101943","media_asset_id":"med_101943_d040d818f51e6b92","agenda_item_id":null,"speaker_id":"spk_101943_jason_kopp","speaker_confidence":0.95,"start_sec":1695.62,"end_sec":1756.32,"text":"Yeah, and very good question. So, there uh In this ordinance, it talks about shielding and you know, light glare. So, if you have spotlights in the yard, if you adjust them to a way where it's not beaming into your neighbor's house, there won't be a problem. There Yes, there might be some residual light that shines into the window, but this is more particularly a spotlight glaring into a window. Uh, that's the complaint we're getting. And uh, not investigating in the capacity of code enforcement, but I've seen exactly what they're talking about, where a light is shining directly into this, into someone's bedroom. It's caused issues. I um I personally have, I don't know, maybe a dozen spotlights around my property. They're aimed in a way where it's not affecting neighbors in any way, but so it illuminates every square inch of uh both my front and back yard to prevent uh any kind of intruders. So, it is possible to use these lights effectively without uh hindering your neighbors.","topics_json":"[\"zoning\",\"public_safety\"]","vector_id":"vec_seg_101943_155","created_at":"2026-10-31T08:06:09Z","speaker_name":"Jason Kopp"},{"id":"seg_101943_156","meeting_id":"101943","media_asset_id":"med_101943_d040d818f51e6b92","agenda_item_id":null,"speaker_id":"off_brian_e_lewis","speaker_confidence":0.95,"start_sec":1756.87,"end_sec":1793.42,"text":"I got one more for you. Over on Bradford Street, uh you're aware of the spotlight that was put up by the city. Uh, one of the residents has had a complaint that that glare goes into their window. The city's spotlights. So, how do we address that? Is that covered in this ordinance?","topics_json":"[\"zoning\",\"public_safety\"]","vector_id":"vec_seg_101943_156","created_at":"2026-10-31T08:06:09Z","speaker_name":"Brian E. Lewis"},{"id":"seg_101943_157","meeting_id":"101943","media_asset_id":"med_101943_d040d818f51e6b92","agenda_item_id":null,"speaker_id":"spk_101943_jason_kopp","speaker_confidence":0.95,"start_sec":1793.91,"end_sec":1807.23,"text":"Um, that's something we could easily, either reach out with Dover Electric to make them aware of that and see if there's anything they can do to adjust it. Uh, that's usually how we handle situations like that, where somebody's complaining about a spotlight. Uh, we reach out to see if there's anything that can be adjusted in any way to prevent that from that. Since it is a city-maintained property.","topics_json":"[\"public_safety\"]","vector_id":"vec_seg_101943_157","created_at":"2026-10-31T08:06:09Z","speaker_name":"Jason Kopp"},{"id":"seg_101943_158","meeting_id":"101943","media_asset_id":"med_101943_d040d818f51e6b92","agenda_item_id":null,"speaker_id":"off_brian_e_lewis","speaker_confidence":0.95,"start_sec":1807.53,"end_sec":1808.38,"text":"All right. That's all I have. Thank you.","topics_json":"[]","vector_id":"vec_seg_101943_158","created_at":"2026-10-31T08:06:09Z","speaker_name":"Brian E. Lewis"},{"id":"seg_101943_159","meeting_id":"101943","media_asset_id":"med_101943_d040d818f51e6b92","agenda_item_id":null,"speaker_id":"off_fred_a_neil","speaker_confidence":0.95,"start_sec":1808.75,"end_sec":1815.32,"text":"Mr. Kopp, is it fair to say that this is going to be complaint-driven as opposed to city workers going around and saying, \"Aha, aha, aha\"?","topics_json":"[]","vector_id":"vec_seg_101943_159","created_at":"2026-10-31T08:06:09Z","speaker_name":"Fred A. Neil"},{"id":"seg_101943_16","meeting_id":"101943","media_asset_id":"med_101943_d040d818f51e6b92","agenda_item_id":null,"speaker_id":"off_david_l_anderson","speaker_confidence":0.95,"start_sec":99.02,"end_sec":102.71,"text":"Is it item 12? Is it item 12?","topics_json":"[]","vector_id":"vec_seg_101943_16","created_at":"2026-10-31T08:06:09Z","speaker_name":"David L. Anderson"},{"id":"seg_101943_160","meeting_id":"101943","media_asset_id":"med_101943_d040d818f51e6b92","agenda_item_id":null,"speaker_id":"spk_101943_jason_kopp","speaker_confidence":0.95,"start_sec":1815.56,"end_sec":1855.82,"text":"100%, yes. Uh this will be complaint-driven, and one of the ways we intend to tie this, we work after-hours to attend uh different meetings, various meetings. We'll try to incorporate as much of that day-to-day market we can during that time, to make sure we're not uh adding extra payroll to. But we're not going to be out routinely looking for uh spotlights, it would have to be a complaint.","topics_json":"[\"budget\"]","vector_id":"vec_seg_101943_160","created_at":"2026-10-31T08:06:09Z","speaker_name":"Jason Kopp"},{"id":"seg_101943_161","meeting_id":"101943","media_asset_id":"med_101943_d040d818f51e6b92","agenda_item_id":null,"speaker_id":"off_fred_a_neil","speaker_confidence":0.95,"start_sec":1856.19,"end_sec":1857.16,"text":"Councilwoman Hall.","topics_json":"[]","vector_id":"vec_seg_101943_161","created_at":"2026-10-31T08:06:09Z","speaker_name":"Fred A. Neil"},{"id":"seg_101943_162","meeting_id":"101943","media_asset_id":"med_101943_d040d818f51e6b92","agenda_item_id":null,"speaker_id":"off_donyale_m_hall","speaker_confidence":0.95,"start_sec":1857.47,"end_sec":1870,"text":"Thank you for recognizing me. Um, the one that uh Councilman Lewis was speaking on, uh that was only supposed to be a temporary uh type of light fixture. It was put there because we didn't have anything other than that. Have we since received the proper light fixture that should be in that space?","topics_json":"[\"public_safety\"]","vector_id":"vec_seg_101943_162","created_at":"2026-10-31T08:06:09Z","speaker_name":"Donyale M. Hall"},{"id":"seg_101943_163","meeting_id":"101943","media_asset_id":"med_101943_d040d818f51e6b92","agenda_item_id":null,"speaker_id":"spk_101943_jason_kopp","speaker_confidence":0.95,"start_sec":1870.3,"end_sec":1875.53,"text":"I don't want to speak on behalf of the electric department, but I can uh follow up and see what I can get out from that and uh let you know.","topics_json":"[]","vector_id":"vec_seg_101943_163","created_at":"2026-10-31T08:06:09Z","speaker_name":"Jason Kopp"},{"id":"seg_101943_164","meeting_id":"101943","media_asset_id":"med_101943_d040d818f51e6b92","agenda_item_id":null,"speaker_id":"off_donyale_m_hall","speaker_confidence":0.95,"start_sec":1875.71,"end_sec":1876.56,"text":"Thank you, I yield.","topics_json":"[]","vector_id":"vec_seg_101943_164","created_at":"2026-10-31T08:06:09Z","speaker_name":"Donyale M. 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Are you going to, is code enforcement going to come out at night now, and are you going to do, do you need to hire another person, or is that a duty that someone's going to be get extra, like a overtime or something? How will we make sure that it won't be flooded with code appeals hearings, like with every person's manners?","topics_json":"[\"budget\",\"zoning\"]","vector_id":"vec_seg_101943_166","created_at":"2026-10-31T08:06:09Z","speaker_name":"Roy Sudler, Jr."},{"id":"seg_101943_167","meeting_id":"101943","media_asset_id":"med_101943_d040d818f51e6b92","agenda_item_id":null,"speaker_id":"spk_101943_jason_kopp","speaker_confidence":0.95,"start_sec":1932.58,"end_sec":2000.64,"text":"This would be a case-by-case basis, uh although not a very common thing we're we're contracting, uh and as we get a complaint, we'll assess. Can we pair it up with a meeting? We go to a lot of evening meetings that are at night, uh that would be the ideal time to assess it. And then, if like anything else, if somebody disagrees with our interpretation, there is the appeal board. Uh, but we are going to try to do our due diligence. Just like any complaint we receive, some a complaint may not be justified, and it may not be as serious as somebody thinks it is. Um, the goal here is to be able to educate, reach out to people, discuss, hey, if you adjust your light here or there, it's like anything else we do. It won't persist into um Sometimes it may just be um somebody doesn't realize it's caused that impact on a neighbor. With this ordinance, we can at least get a letter out, and once people often hear, \"Hey, this is impacting\", more may, you know, adjust it.","topics_json":"[\"zoning\",\"public_safety\"]","vector_id":"vec_seg_101943_167","created_at":"2026-10-31T08:06:09Z","speaker_name":"Jason Kopp"},{"id":"seg_101943_168","meeting_id":"101943","media_asset_id":"med_101943_d040d818f51e6b92","agenda_item_id":null,"speaker_id":"off_roy_sudler_jr","speaker_confidence":0.95,"start_sec":2001.07,"end_sec":2055.69,"text":"Thank you for the comment. What I'm thinking about is just like in construction, we have mechanisms that go over the wall and reads how bold, the decibels, sound, right? So, I'm hoping I'm only concerned about uh a tangible mechanism that can be put up there, and then also, you know, we have situations like homeowner association meetings that are at night, they actually could be in a way they go back. If we do have a complaint, that'd be best in that manner. So, these are finite things that you can work out, whether or not it's been brought on it. And, again, I support this ordinance, and I know the suite 18 great job, I yield.","topics_json":"[\"zoning\"]","vector_id":"vec_seg_101943_168","created_at":"2026-10-31T08:06:09Z","speaker_name":"Roy Sudler, Jr."},{"id":"seg_101943_169","meeting_id":"101943","media_asset_id":"med_101943_d040d818f51e6b92","agenda_item_id":null,"speaker_id":"off_fred_a_neil","speaker_confidence":0.95,"start_sec":2056.17,"end_sec":2057.82,"text":"Thank you. Any other questions?","topics_json":"[]","vector_id":"vec_seg_101943_169","created_at":"2026-10-31T08:06:09Z","speaker_name":"Fred A. 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So, I think that um being able to determine like a a measurement um was a little bit um difficult to manage. So, the the language that we talked about was just to not have it facing a person's window or property.","topics_json":"[\"zoning\"]","vector_id":"vec_seg_101943_172","created_at":"2026-10-31T08:06:09Z","speaker_name":"Donyale M. Hall"},{"id":"seg_101943_173","meeting_id":"101943","media_asset_id":"med_101943_d040d818f51e6b92","agenda_item_id":null,"speaker_id":"off_fred_a_neil","speaker_confidence":0.95,"start_sec":2114.56,"end_sec":2115.29,"text":"Okay, are there-","topics_json":"[]","vector_id":"vec_seg_101943_173","created_at":"2026-10-31T08:06:09Z","speaker_name":"Fred A. 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Uh, through the president to Mr. Kopp, please, uh thank you. Is is this um based upon what already exists in Kent County?","topics_json":"[\"zoning\"]","vector_id":"vec_seg_101943_176","created_at":"2026-10-31T08:06:09Z","speaker_name":"David L. Anderson"},{"id":"seg_101943_177","meeting_id":"101943","media_asset_id":"med_101943_d040d818f51e6b92","agenda_item_id":null,"speaker_id":"spk_101943_jason_kopp","speaker_confidence":0.95,"start_sec":2126.12,"end_sec":2158.54,"text":"Yes. So, this is fairly similar language to Kent County, just tailored to the city of Dover. Uh, had, I believe, used a lot of language and just tweaked it a little bit to make it uh be feasible here.","topics_json":"[\"zoning\"]","vector_id":"vec_seg_101943_177","created_at":"2026-10-31T08:06:09Z","speaker_name":"Jason Kopp"},{"id":"seg_101943_178","meeting_id":"101943","media_asset_id":"med_101943_d040d818f51e6b92","agenda_item_id":null,"speaker_id":"off_david_l_anderson","speaker_confidence":0.95,"start_sec":2158.9,"end_sec":2159.88,"text":"Thank you. I yield.","topics_json":"[]","vector_id":"vec_seg_101943_178","created_at":"2026-10-31T08:06:09Z","speaker_name":"David L. Anderson"},{"id":"seg_101943_179","meeting_id":"101943","media_asset_id":"med_101943_d040d818f51e6b92","agenda_item_id":null,"speaker_id":"off_fred_a_neil","speaker_confidence":0.95,"start_sec":2160.49,"end_sec":2168.39,"text":"If there are no other questions, I'll ask uh I prefer Madam Clerk to introduce the ordinance in accordance with section 1-9 of the Dover Code. Madam Clerk.","topics_json":"[]","vector_id":"vec_seg_101943_179","created_at":"2026-10-31T08:06:09Z","speaker_name":"Fred A. Neil"},{"id":"seg_101943_18","meeting_id":"101943","media_asset_id":"med_101943_d040d818f51e6b92","agenda_item_id":null,"speaker_id":"off_fred_a_neil","speaker_confidence":0.95,"start_sec":137.47,"end_sec":142.09,"text":"Madam Clerk, let's have a roll call vote on the consent agenda.","topics_json":"[]","vector_id":"vec_seg_101943_18","created_at":"2026-10-31T08:06:09Z","speaker_name":"Fred A. Neil"},{"id":"seg_101943_180","meeting_id":"101943","media_asset_id":"med_101943_d040d818f51e6b92","agenda_item_id":null,"speaker_id":"spk_101943_city_clerk","speaker_confidence":0.95,"start_sec":2168.7,"end_sec":2178.55,"text":"There is no action at this time. Ordinance 2023-15 amending Chapter 42 Environment by adding Section 42-3 Lighting. This constitutes the first reading. The final reading is scheduled to take place on November 27th, 2023.","topics_json":"[\"zoning\"]","vector_id":"vec_seg_101943_180","created_at":"2026-10-31T08:06:09Z","speaker_name":null},{"id":"seg_101943_181","meeting_id":"101943","media_asset_id":"med_101943_d040d818f51e6b92","agenda_item_id":null,"speaker_id":"off_fred_a_neil","speaker_confidence":0.95,"start_sec":2179.46,"end_sec":2180.68,"text":"City Manager's announcements.","topics_json":"[]","vector_id":"vec_seg_101943_181","created_at":"2026-10-31T08:06:09Z","speaker_name":"Fred A. Neil"},{"id":"seg_101943_182","meeting_id":"101943","media_asset_id":"med_101943_d040d818f51e6b92","agenda_item_id":null,"speaker_id":"spk_101943_sharon_duca","speaker_confidence":0.95,"start_sec":2180.98,"end_sec":2236.64,"text":"Thank you, Mr. President. Members of Council, I have a few updates for you tonight. Um, one, regarding the water main replacement project, they're all open on Ross Street. Uh, there was also milling done today on South Queen Street, and paving will occur on North Queen Street um the current areas heading to completion. I also wanted to note the the DelDOT mobility summit, which DelDOT oversees, and we have not been informed of any operational issues or any customer complaints to this operation. Thank you.","topics_json":"[]","vector_id":"vec_seg_101943_182","created_at":"2026-10-31T08:06:09Z","speaker_name":"Sharon Duca"},{"id":"seg_101943_183","meeting_id":"101943","media_asset_id":"med_101943_d040d818f51e6b92","agenda_item_id":null,"speaker_id":"off_fred_a_neil","speaker_confidence":0.95,"start_sec":2237.06,"end_sec":2238.03,"text":"Mayor's announcements.","topics_json":"[]","vector_id":"vec_seg_101943_183","created_at":"2026-10-31T08:06:09Z","speaker_name":"Fred A. 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Everyone is done a very great job uh that's the kind of assistant uh we need, and and you provided it. Thank you.","topics_json":"[]","vector_id":"vec_seg_101943_186","created_at":"2026-10-31T08:06:09Z","speaker_name":"Roy Sudler, Jr."},{"id":"seg_101943_187","meeting_id":"101943","media_asset_id":"med_101943_d040d818f51e6b92","agenda_item_id":null,"speaker_id":"off_fred_a_neil","speaker_confidence":0.95,"start_sec":2300.68,"end_sec":2302.51,"text":"Other councilmen announcements? Councilman Anderson.","topics_json":"[]","vector_id":"vec_seg_101943_187","created_at":"2026-10-31T08:06:09Z","speaker_name":"Fred A. Neil"},{"id":"seg_101943_188","meeting_id":"101943","media_asset_id":"med_101943_d040d818f51e6b92","agenda_item_id":null,"speaker_id":"off_david_l_anderson","speaker_confidence":0.95,"start_sec":2302.75,"end_sec":2359.68,"text":"Thank you, Mr. President. And uh, we uh had Trunk or Treat so that the children will have somewhere safe. We want to thank them and hands on the community, all the community partners who participated in the city, both Dover Police and uh, you know, Dover and that whole school district. And uh, that that is looking, you know, forward all the officers and uh we hope to see uh doctor published it.","topics_json":"[\"public_safety\"]","vector_id":"vec_seg_101943_188","created_at":"2026-10-31T08:06:09Z","speaker_name":"David L. Anderson"},{"id":"seg_101943_189","meeting_id":"101943","media_asset_id":"med_101943_d040d818f51e6b92","agenda_item_id":null,"speaker_id":"off_david_l_anderson","speaker_confidence":0.95,"start_sec":2359.68,"end_sec":2555.08,"text":"And uh, I'd just like to uh, give a big shout-out, a big hand. I'm so grateful for that, um, that uh, Silver Lake uh, cleanup uh, that did its job. Didn't get out there in the water, but um, that that uh, it saved, or at least, um, all the way through the woods, thankful that I can swim, and see all the way across the other side. That wasn't possible. And and this kind of thing, it's regarding the late things, trash all up, and particularly, um, thank uh, the uh, City Police Department, the uh, also uh, Sanitation men, for the tough job that they have, uh, and and uh, people that have been, uh, all the time, uh, they throw their trash out whatever's been there, and uh, everything's blocked off, and to get out, and solve the problem. Also, uh, responsible and very very positive, and careful with the neighbors. Uh, they want to clean it up, and uh, we'll see. Look forward to, of course thank you, to the enforcement, decisions that have been made to hopefully, uh, we can get a hold of the owner, and tell them that this impacts our neighborhood, and hopefully that that will be taken care of. Um, and tomorrow, uh, meeting, in regard to, uh, the winter shelter, the, the emergency shelter, uh, is tomorrow at 16 E. Loockerman, and, um, to see, we're here for those who need uh, assistance, for the, uh, warming center, at the, at 16 E. Loockerman. Thank you, I yield the floor.","topics_json":"[\"homelessness\",\"public_safety\"]","vector_id":"vec_seg_101943_189","created_at":"2026-10-31T08:06:09Z","speaker_name":"David L. 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Joining in with we we did want to wish we could be happy to be here. We hope that everyone has a wonderful Thanksgiving, and thinking that everyone had a nice time. You know, that's the end of my remarks, except to say Dr. Reba Hollingsworth had turned 97. Oh, and, um, and a great gala, and I wanted to give her a uh recognition, announcement where the Mayor was there as well. Showed me how great that event was. Thank you.","topics_json":"[]","vector_id":"vec_seg_101943_191","created_at":"2026-10-31T08:06:09Z","speaker_name":"Roy Sudler, Jr."},{"id":"seg_101943_192","meeting_id":"101943","media_asset_id":"med_101943_d040d818f51e6b92","agenda_item_id":null,"speaker_id":"off_fred_a_neil","speaker_confidence":0.95,"start_sec":2604.48,"end_sec":2610.98,"text":"Seeing no other announcements by members of council, this meeting is adjourned.","topics_json":"[]","vector_id":"vec_seg_101943_192","created_at":"2026-10-31T08:06:09Z","speaker_name":"Fred A. Neil"},{"id":"seg_101943_2","meeting_id":"101943","media_asset_id":"med_101943_d040d818f51e6b92","agenda_item_id":null,"speaker_id":"off_fred_a_neil","speaker_confidence":0.95,"start_sec":5.41,"end_sec":9.21,"text":"Moved by Councilwoman Arndt and seconded by Councilwoman Pillsbury. Any discussion?","topics_json":"[]","vector_id":"vec_seg_101943_2","created_at":"2026-10-31T08:06:08Z","speaker_name":"Fred A. Neil"},{"id":"seg_101943_20","meeting_id":"101943","media_asset_id":"med_101943_d040d818f51e6b92","agenda_item_id":null,"speaker_id":"off_fred_a_neil","speaker_confidence":0.95,"start_sec":144.79,"end_sec":146.6,"text":"We had a motion and a second. Do we have to vote on it?","topics_json":"[]","vector_id":"vec_seg_101943_20","created_at":"2026-10-31T08:06:09Z","speaker_name":"Fred A. 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PCC acknowledges that CDBG- CDBG agreement associated with this project expired on June 30th, 2026, and acknowledges that PCC is not seeking to reinstate, extend, or otherwise continue the agreement for the associated CDBG allocation. By signing below, the authorized representative confirms that this withdrawal is made on behalf of PCC and that PCC has no further claim against the city for reimbursement for expenses associated with CDBG allocation. This is not an acknowledgment of anything except the withdrawal of it. That is all. And on behalf of the People's, both for the withdrawal on June 24th, 2026, and I am here by motion to accept, uh, this withdrawal.\"","topics_json":"[\"budget\"]","vector_id":"vec_seg_101943_26","created_at":"2026-10-31T08:06:09Z","speaker_name":"David L. 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Neil"},{"id":"seg_101943_84","meeting_id":"101943","media_asset_id":"med_101943_d040d818f51e6b92","agenda_item_id":null,"speaker_id":"spk_101943_kay_sass","speaker_confidence":0.95,"start_sec":635.4,"end_sec":692.01,"text":"Good evening, Mayor and Council. Under 44 CFR 201.6, we are required to adopt a Hazard Mitigation Plan every 5 years. It's a regulation that has to be updated. We've worked with Kent County, so I started working with them back in 2024 with other stakeholders to do our part in order to be classified in the Kent County's plan. It went through DEMA and was approved. It's been through FEMA and was approved. And on October 13th, Kent County approved it. So, now it is to part where that we are able to adopt it to be part of our Hazard Mitigation Plan as well. If we don't have one in place, we are not eligible for federal funds.","topics_json":"[\"public_safety\",\"budget\"]","vector_id":"vec_seg_101943_84","created_at":"2026-10-31T08:06:09Z","speaker_name":"Kay Sass"},{"id":"seg_101943_85","meeting_id":"101943","media_asset_id":"med_101943_d040d818f51e6b92","agenda_item_id":null,"speaker_id":"off_fred_a_neil","speaker_confidence":0.95,"start_sec":692.74,"end_sec":694.65,"text":"Questions from Council? Councilman Sudler.","topics_json":"[]","vector_id":"vec_seg_101943_85","created_at":"2026-10-31T08:06:09Z","speaker_name":"Fred A. Neil"},{"id":"seg_101943_86","meeting_id":"101943","media_asset_id":"med_101943_d040d818f51e6b92","agenda_item_id":null,"speaker_id":"off_roy_sudler_jr","speaker_confidence":0.95,"start_sec":694.65,"end_sec":697.03,"text":"Thank you, Council President. Move to accept staff recommendation. 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Next we have reallocation reallocation of budgeted personnel resources, and we'll request, uh, Ms. Duca, City Manager, to brief members on this item.","topics_json":"[\"budget\"]","vector_id":"vec_seg_101943_92","created_at":"2026-10-31T08:06:09Z","speaker_name":"Fred A. Neil"},{"id":"seg_101943_93","meeting_id":"101943","media_asset_id":"med_101943_d040d818f51e6b92","agenda_item_id":null,"speaker_id":"spk_101943_sharon_duca","speaker_confidence":0.95,"start_sec":750.41,"end_sec":1011.33,"text":"Mr. President, Members of Council, Mayor, and to the community at large, um, tonight's, uh, recommendation is regarding the, uh, reallocation of budgeted personnel resources. It involves two departments: the Electric Department and the Police Department. Starting with the Electric Department, in the fiscal year '27 budget, uh, there was a groundworker position frozen. Since that time, we've had, uh, linemen that have resigned from the city. We have also lost two electrical engineers, and we have received the, uh, paperwork for the retirement of the Electric Director. We evaluated the budgetary implications of these personnel charges and the resulting needs of the department. It's been determined that these four positions leaving the city could result in formal savings. We then looked at the replacement of these positions, which will come uh, but some of them will take some time depending on the offered roles. And in light of these, we are requesting to unfreeze the groundworker position as well as commence the Electric Director position to allow for overlap and succession, um, training with the current director. These estimates for these adjustments have been calculated at $271,000. Due to these projections, the proposal will stay within the approved budget levels for the Electric Department. The second request is in relation to the Police Department. They have also had, uh, varying, uh, vacancies within the department. Um, one position of particular concern for the police is, um, they've been notified about the intent for the Accreditation Manager to retire. As a result, um, they're looking for an overlap to allow for us to hire a manager sooner so that they can train for a few months before the other one leaves. Uh, we have analyzed with the staff the Police Department the savings within the department due to vacancies. Uh, we've also included estimates related to overtime and the additional costs that are associated there, uh, resulting in overtime as a result of the vacancies. Um, is currently see a differential of $700,000, uh, while staff the Police Department is actively trying to replace vacancies, we did do an estimate on savings and found the overlap will cost $50,000, uh, which will be covered by available funds at this time within the budget. It should be noted that, uh, any overlap for either position, uh, either department will not occur until official documentation is received of their retirement. As a result, staff recommendation is to authorize the City Manager to unfreeze and hire the groundworker position in the Electric Department, as well start the hiring process for the Electric Director and Accreditation Manager positions upon receipt of required resignation/retirement paperwork. Thank you.","topics_json":"[\"budget\",\"public_safety\"]","vector_id":"vec_seg_101943_93","created_at":"2026-10-31T08:06:09Z","speaker_name":"Sharon Duca"},{"id":"seg_101943_94","meeting_id":"101943","media_asset_id":"med_101943_d040d818f51e6b92","agenda_item_id":null,"speaker_id":"off_fred_a_neil","speaker_confidence":0.95,"start_sec":1012.12,"end_sec":1013.91,"text":"Questions? Yeah, Councilman Sudler.","topics_json":"[]","vector_id":"vec_seg_101943_94","created_at":"2026-10-31T08:06:09Z","speaker_name":"Fred A. Neil"},{"id":"seg_101943_95","meeting_id":"101943","media_asset_id":"med_101943_d040d818f51e6b92","agenda_item_id":null,"speaker_id":"off_roy_sudler_jr","speaker_confidence":0.95,"start_sec":1013.91,"end_sec":1068.47,"text":"Council President, thank you. Um, Ms. Duca, thank you for your update. In regards to several hundred thousand dollars, um, can you elaborate a little bit on that and how it coordinates with the retirement? Because what I'm hearing is, um, that I pause and that potential, um, gap of employment, and then we also have some money available to where we could maybe fill that over from one job domain to cover for uh, the Police Department what they need. It's Uh, can you help me out a little bit with that?","topics_json":"[\"budget\",\"public_safety\"]","vector_id":"vec_seg_101943_95","created_at":"2026-10-31T08:06:09Z","speaker_name":"Roy Sudler, Jr."},{"id":"seg_101943_96","meeting_id":"101943","media_asset_id":"med_101943_d040d818f51e6b92","agenda_item_id":null,"speaker_id":"spk_101943_sharon_duca","speaker_confidence":0.95,"start_sec":1068.47,"end_sec":1070.66,"text":"Are you particularly concerned about the Police Department side of it?","topics_json":"[\"budget\",\"public_safety\"]","vector_id":"vec_seg_101943_96","created_at":"2026-10-31T08:06:09Z","speaker_name":"Sharon Duca"},{"id":"seg_101943_97","meeting_id":"101943","media_asset_id":"med_101943_d040d818f51e6b92","agenda_item_id":null,"speaker_id":"off_roy_sudler_jr","speaker_confidence":0.95,"start_sec":1070.66,"end_sec":1149.74,"text":"Uh, both. Yeah, the police, yeah, the Police Department side of it, and uh, I think it is, uh, dues in fact that we have like three, I would say three major positions. Yes, that three major positions that are that need to be filled. Does sound like uh I don't know what the what the total amount is available to do positions, that you have that the positions of free of that $300,000. Would that $300,000 be used to assist uh the Police Department in getting uh that funding now to cover that transition of uh needs whether that position to transfer the knowledge, how to transfer the knowledge and still feed it to fill that whole public safety perspective, and how would that impact, um, how would that impact the other side of the department, the other department the Electric Department? From that, the need What's our primary needs? Something from public safety primary needs right now for that transition, and will we have the money freed up that money freed up right now three jobs, and how being could uh you know, what what can we do?","topics_json":"[\"budget\",\"public_safety\"]","vector_id":"vec_seg_101943_97","created_at":"2026-10-31T08:06:09Z","speaker_name":"Roy Sudler, Jr."},{"id":"seg_101943_98","meeting_id":"101943","media_asset_id":"med_101943_d040d818f51e6b92","agenda_item_id":null,"speaker_id":"spk_101943_sharon_duca","speaker_confidence":0.95,"start_sec":1150.14,"end_sec":1173.87,"text":"Um, in terms of the proposal here, um, I guess it should first be noted the Electric Department is funded out of the Electric Fund, the Police is General Fund, so neither of these proposals are crossing the gutters' lines, so to speak. Um, so for the Electric Department side, uh, we looked at how much, uh, the positions would that before they were vacated, how much we would have had to spend on them.","topics_json":"[\"budget\",\"public_safety\"]","vector_id":"vec_seg_101943_98","created_at":"2026-10-31T08:06:09Z","speaker_name":"Sharon Duca"},{"id":"seg_101943_99","meeting_id":"101943","media_asset_id":"med_101943_d040d818f51e6b92","agenda_item_id":null,"speaker_id":"spk_101943_sharon_duca","speaker_confidence":0.95,"start_sec":1173.87,"end_sec":1179.84,"text":"Um, we projected the time period that it would that we've already been short those positions this fiscal year, uh, to look at those savings,","topics_json":"[\"budget\"]","vector_id":"vec_seg_101943_99","created_at":"2026-10-31T08:06:09Z","speaker_name":"Sharon Duca"},{"id":"seg_101944_1","meeting_id":"101944","media_asset_id":"med_101944_14427beca4965cc4","agenda_item_id":null,"speaker_id":"off_fred_a_neil","speaker_confidence":0.95,"start_sec":0.5,"end_sec":20.9,"text":"I will now call to order the Council Committee of the Whole meeting of Tuesday, October 27th, 2026. And I would remind the public that public comments are welcome on any item and will be permitted at the appropriate time. You have before you this evening's agenda, and I'll entertain a motion for its adoption.","topics_json":"[]","vector_id":"vec_seg_101944_1","created_at":"2026-10-31T08:06:28Z","speaker_name":"Fred A. Neil"},{"id":"seg_101944_10","meeting_id":"101944","media_asset_id":"med_101944_14427beca4965cc4","agenda_item_id":null,"speaker_id":"off_andre_m_boggerty","speaker_confidence":0.95,"start_sec":57.9,"end_sec":102.5,"text":"It's been properly moved and seconded. Are you ready for the question? All those in favor, signify by saying aye.","topics_json":"[]","vector_id":"vec_seg_101944_10","created_at":"2026-10-31T08:06:28Z","speaker_name":"Andre M. Boggerty"},{"id":"seg_101944_100","meeting_id":"101944","media_asset_id":"med_101944_14427beca4965cc4","agenda_item_id":null,"speaker_id":"off_brian_e_lewis","speaker_confidence":0.95,"start_sec":3439.78,"end_sec":3447.74,"text":"Okay. And the reason I ask is because um you had mentioned that it's a short-term housing for 90 days or less, correct? So,","topics_json":"[\"housing\"]","vector_id":"vec_seg_101944_100","created_at":"2026-10-31T08:06:29Z","speaker_name":"Brian E. Lewis"},{"id":"seg_101944_101","meeting_id":"101944","media_asset_id":"med_101944_14427beca4965cc4","agenda_item_id":null,"speaker_id":"spk_101944_sharon_duca","speaker_confidence":0.95,"start_sec":3447.74,"end_sec":3448.4,"text":"According to the state code.","topics_json":"[\"housing\"]","vector_id":"vec_seg_101944_101","created_at":"2026-10-31T08:06:29Z","speaker_name":"Sharon Duca"},{"id":"seg_101944_102","meeting_id":"101944","media_asset_id":"med_101944_14427beca4965cc4","agenda_item_id":null,"speaker_id":"off_brian_e_lewis","speaker_confidence":0.95,"start_sec":3448.4,"end_sec":3458.34,"text":"According to the state. Okay. So, in the past, the city has issued uh uh emergency shelter provisions and allowed, for example, People's Community Center to become one.","topics_json":"[\"housing\",\"homelessness\"]","vector_id":"vec_seg_101944_102","created_at":"2026-10-31T08:06:29Z","speaker_name":"Brian E. 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Lewis"},{"id":"seg_101944_107","meeting_id":"101944","media_asset_id":"med_101944_14427beca4965cc4","agenda_item_id":null,"speaker_id":"spk_101944_sharon_duca","speaker_confidence":0.95,"start_sec":3496.79,"end_sec":3499.44,"text":"I think I might bring Jason down for some of these specifics if that's all right.","topics_json":"[]","vector_id":"vec_seg_101944_107","created_at":"2026-10-31T08:06:29Z","speaker_name":"Sharon Duca"},{"id":"seg_101944_108","meeting_id":"101944","media_asset_id":"med_101944_14427beca4965cc4","agenda_item_id":null,"speaker_id":"off_brian_e_lewis","speaker_confidence":0.95,"start_sec":3499.44,"end_sec":3500.1,"text":"Okay.","topics_json":"[]","vector_id":"vec_seg_101944_108","created_at":"2026-10-31T08:06:29Z","speaker_name":"Brian E. Lewis"},{"id":"seg_101944_109","meeting_id":"101944","media_asset_id":"med_101944_14427beca4965cc4","agenda_item_id":null,"speaker_id":"spk_101944_jason_osika","speaker_confidence":0.95,"start_sec":3500.1,"end_sec":3501.43,"text":"How you doing? Jason Osika, Fire Marshal.","topics_json":"[]","vector_id":"vec_seg_101944_109","created_at":"2026-10-31T08:06:29Z","speaker_name":"Jason Osika"},{"id":"seg_101944_11","meeting_id":"101944","media_asset_id":"med_101944_14427beca4965cc4","agenda_item_id":null,"speaker_id":"spk_101944_council_members","speaker_confidence":0.9,"start_sec":102.6,"end_sec":103.5,"text":"Aye.","topics_json":"[]","vector_id":"vec_seg_101944_11","created_at":"2026-10-31T08:06:28Z","speaker_name":null},{"id":"seg_101944_110","meeting_id":"101944","media_asset_id":"med_101944_14427beca4965cc4","agenda_item_id":null,"speaker_id":"off_brian_e_lewis","speaker_confidence":0.95,"start_sec":3501.43,"end_sec":3502.09,"text":"Good evening, Jason.","topics_json":"[]","vector_id":"vec_seg_101944_110","created_at":"2026-10-31T08:06:29Z","speaker_name":"Brian E. Lewis"},{"id":"seg_101944_111","meeting_id":"101944","media_asset_id":"med_101944_14427beca4965cc4","agenda_item_id":null,"speaker_id":"spk_101944_jason_osika","speaker_confidence":0.95,"start_sec":3502.09,"end_sec":3539.01,"text":"Good evening. Um I think where where you're alluding to is um so when I first took over, um that definition was already in code. I think that fell under uh Dave Truax and the staff at that time. Um Code Purple was one of the biggest uh groups handling everything with the rotation through the churches. Um at that time, there was a long list of churches that participated. Um we considered them, at that time, all existing. So if you fell into being authorized to do Code Purple, it was considered existing. Um we met with Code Purple staff, which has changed through the years, and said um, \"Anything in the future is going to have to be a sprinklered facility for life safety purposes.\" Um Then COVID hit, and some other things happened, and for whatever reason some of the churches most of the churches dropped off. Um I don't know if it was a lack of volunteers, the program just got lengthy, I can't speak to that. Um with the most recent issues that that came about, um there was some things looked into from a citizen complaint where there's a zoning issue, um and Dawn can speak more to that, um but uh the city solicitor ruled that um everything has to be zoned properly. So that's what fell into the area downtown. It was a zoning issue, and there's a process for that. We thought we were headed in the right direction, that that didn't work out. Um but like Councilman uh Boggerty was alluding to earlier, so um to make it real clear, it is a little confusing, land use comes first. Just think about no building being in there. Um you have to be zoned for whatever you're going to do first. Then if you're if you're zoned correctly, then comes your building use, your building and fire codes. So, um with with his example, you could have a building sitting there that was used as a office building, but now you want to put um 300 people in there for a movie theater, that's a different occupancy classification. So now that's a change of use, and you have to come up to the current code for building and life safety issues. Yep. I felt I felt for you back there. Um so I think I think that bathrooms then come into play, um occupant loads, how many exits you need, how many people are going to be in the rooms, what","topics_json":"[\"code_purple\",\"homelessness\",\"zoning\",\"public_safety\"]","vector_id":"vec_seg_101944_111","created_at":"2026-10-31T08:06:29Z","speaker_name":"Jason Osika"},{"id":"seg_101944_112","meeting_id":"101944","media_asset_id":"med_101944_14427beca4965cc4","agenda_item_id":null,"speaker_id":"spk_101944_unknown_speaker","speaker_confidence":0.7,"start_sec":3539,"end_sec":3541.1,"text":"being used for, all that comes into play.","topics_json":"[]","vector_id":"vec_seg_101944_112","created_at":"2026-10-31T08:06:29Z","speaker_name":null},{"id":"seg_101944_113","meeting_id":"101944","media_asset_id":"med_101944_14427beca4965cc4","agenda_item_id":null,"speaker_id":"off_brian_e_lewis","speaker_confidence":0.95,"start_sec":3541.5,"end_sec":3573.6,"text":"So I think uh that answers um my question and uh many other people's question is because um the question was if uh the city has allowed within the past years these emergency shelters to come in to play without objection, why not this year? And you answer the question when you said because it was an opinion that came down from our city solicitor, so that's what ruffled the feathers. Am I correct?","topics_json":"[\"homelessness\",\"zoning\"]","vector_id":"vec_seg_101944_113","created_at":"2026-10-31T08:06:29Z","speaker_name":"Brian E. Lewis"},{"id":"seg_101944_114","meeting_id":"101944","media_asset_id":"med_101944_14427beca4965cc4","agenda_item_id":null,"speaker_id":"spk_101944_unknown_speaker","speaker_confidence":0.7,"start_sec":3574.5,"end_sec":3583.8,"text":"With the With the one at the the topic at hand, yes. There was a citizen complaint that came in, the city solicitor reviewed that, and there was a zoning issue which got us to where we're at now.","topics_json":"[\"zoning\",\"homelessness\"]","vector_id":"vec_seg_101944_114","created_at":"2026-10-31T08:06:29Z","speaker_name":null},{"id":"seg_101944_115","meeting_id":"101944","media_asset_id":"med_101944_14427beca4965cc4","agenda_item_id":null,"speaker_id":"off_brian_e_lewis","speaker_confidence":0.95,"start_sec":3584.4,"end_sec":3592.6,"text":"Okay. Thank you. Uh and that's all I have right now. Uh I may come back with questions, but I don't want to hold uh my other colleagues up. Thank you.","topics_json":"[]","vector_id":"vec_seg_101944_115","created_at":"2026-10-31T08:06:29Z","speaker_name":"Brian E. Lewis"},{"id":"seg_101944_116","meeting_id":"101944","media_asset_id":"med_101944_14427beca4965cc4","agenda_item_id":null,"speaker_id":"off_andre_m_boggerty","speaker_confidence":0.95,"start_sec":3593,"end_sec":3595.6,"text":"Thank you. The chair recognizes Councilman Rocha.","topics_json":"[]","vector_id":"vec_seg_101944_116","created_at":"2026-10-31T08:06:29Z","speaker_name":"Andre M. Boggerty"},{"id":"seg_101944_117","meeting_id":"101944","media_asset_id":"med_101944_14427beca4965cc4","agenda_item_id":null,"speaker_id":"off_gerald_l_rocha_sr","speaker_confidence":0.95,"start_sec":3596.5,"end_sec":3718.3,"text":"Uh thank you, Mr. Chairman. I I think um Kay was able to answer the question. Um I just wanted to point out that um I can't speak correctional facility downtown, but when uh the mayor organized the unsheltered working group that I was a part of and and also uh Councilwoman Arndt uh and and members out out there in the audience that were on the uh unsheltered, that topic for the family court did come up. Uh we inquired about it. Um what I was told at the time was that the state was going to sell that building and it was also deteriorated, right? A lot of work needed to go into it. Um but uh what I what we were told at that time was um that the property was going to be sold to a developer. I don't know what they were going to do to it, but that uh the condition of the building right now um was not It was going to be a lot of money that would have been needed to, hence they built a new building for you know, for the probably the same reason as the correctional facility. So, I just, you know, not not to put a downer on it, it sounds like it could be still a possibility, maybe uh for a temporary situation, but I just wanted to put on the record that the unsheltered did um bring that up. You know, at the time, I I don't know if the correctional facility that uh Councilman Lewis was talking about was on the table at that time, but we knew that the family court was going to eventually, you know, be vacated and we uh we did seek out information on whether or not we could acquire that that building. So, just wanted to put that out there. Hope that they don't sell it and we are able to get it or use it, but at the time we did look into it uh back then. So, with with that said, I yield.","topics_json":"[\"homelessness\",\"housing\"]","vector_id":"vec_seg_101944_117","created_at":"2026-10-31T08:06:29Z","speaker_name":"Gerald L. Rocha, Sr."},{"id":"seg_101944_118","meeting_id":"101944","media_asset_id":"med_101944_14427beca4965cc4","agenda_item_id":null,"speaker_id":"off_andre_m_boggerty","speaker_confidence":0.95,"start_sec":3718.8,"end_sec":3817.4,"text":"Thank you. Hey, um while we're on that topic, as for those who remember or don't remember, choose to care, I was um I served a year and a half, 18 months, as Director of Human Resources for Family Court, and I worked out of all three offices. My primary office was in Wilmington, and um I worked at the Family Court here in Dover and then the the previous one in Georgetown, not the new one here in Dover. I will say um the the building in and of itself would be interesting because of there's not that many facility restroom facilities um inside there. I'm not even sure, I don't remember even showering or anything like that. And um the way the building is constructed, uh depending how it's laid out, experts probably could um, you know, manage it more than my eyes can see, cuz when it was operating, it was a court. There you would need a lot the way it's cut and moved, and it you would need a lot of safety. In fact, during the time I was an HR, the HR director there, on one of the floors we had a few fights um um that we had to respond to um, and run up the stairs, etc., well, not me, I was, but the security and and the constables alike uh had to respond to you. So, it would be, I would never, anything's possible, but it would be a very interesting layout and a very interesting um usage of the building, especially concerning like uh restrooms, etc. So, I would be interested in that um to see that. The chair recognizes the Honorable Mayor Robin.","topics_json":"[\"homelessness\",\"housing\"]","vector_id":"vec_seg_101944_118","created_at":"2026-10-31T08:06:29Z","speaker_name":"Andre M. Boggerty"},{"id":"seg_101944_119","meeting_id":"101944","media_asset_id":"med_101944_14427beca4965cc4","agenda_item_id":null,"speaker_id":"off_robin_r_christiansen","speaker_confidence":0.95,"start_sec":3820,"end_sec":3821.7,"text":"I yield to Dr. Sudler.","topics_json":"[]","vector_id":"vec_seg_101944_119","created_at":"2026-10-31T08:06:29Z","speaker_name":"Robin R. Christiansen"},{"id":"seg_101944_12","meeting_id":"101944","media_asset_id":"med_101944_14427beca4965cc4","agenda_item_id":null,"speaker_id":"off_andre_m_boggerty","speaker_confidence":0.95,"start_sec":103.6,"end_sec":136.9,"text":"By consent, the motion carries. Um, first, I want to a little privilege. I want to welcome, obviously, um Dr. Jackson, thank you so much for your continued uh support of the committee. She's here with us. But I also want to take the time to introduce our newest member of our committee who's joining us online, and that is um Miss Christine Kemp. Um she would have been here before, but thank God that uh she had a a little incident, but um now she's back and joining us. Um we're praying that all is well. Uh Miss Kemp, would you like to just say hello to everyone?","topics_json":"[]","vector_id":"vec_seg_101944_12","created_at":"2026-10-31T08:06:28Z","speaker_name":"Andre M. Boggerty"},{"id":"seg_101944_120","meeting_id":"101944","media_asset_id":"med_101944_14427beca4965cc4","agenda_item_id":null,"speaker_id":"off_andre_m_boggerty","speaker_confidence":0.95,"start_sec":3822.4,"end_sec":3824.8,"text":"The chair recognizes um the yield to Dr. Sudler.","topics_json":"[]","vector_id":"vec_seg_101944_120","created_at":"2026-10-31T08:06:29Z","speaker_name":"Andre M. Boggerty"},{"id":"seg_101944_121","meeting_id":"101944","media_asset_id":"med_101944_14427beca4965cc4","agenda_item_id":null,"speaker_id":"off_roy_sudler_jr","speaker_confidence":0.95,"start_sec":3825.3,"end_sec":4204.8,"text":"Uh thank you, Mayor, for uh yielding and thank you um Chairman for recognizing me. Um I've done some extensive research uh in regards to both facilities. Um from and I could be wrong, um from my research it sounds like uh the the uh Morris Community Corrections Center is structurally sound. Um with holding 150 beds, um residential asset currently maintained by the state. Yes, um the recent infrastructure investment, okay. So, it sounds like also when it comes to the zoning, uh located on West uh Water Street, uh it fits into a governmental industrial buffer zone away from downtown commercial storefronts and residential front porches, completely neutralizing downtown zoning friction. I would like to ask um my question to you is, I would like to ask if the facility is not um suitable or if the infrastructure is not sound, in other words, who do does does our city code enforcement, do we go in and do our fire marshals go in and assess that this building is not habitable?","topics_json":"[\"homelessness\",\"zoning\",\"public_safety\"]","vector_id":"vec_seg_101944_121","created_at":"2026-10-31T08:06:29Z","speaker_name":"Roy Sudler, Jr."},{"id":"seg_101944_122","meeting_id":"101944","media_asset_id":"med_101944_14427beca4965cc4","agenda_item_id":null,"speaker_id":"spk_101944_sharon_duca","speaker_confidence":0.85,"start_sec":4209.6,"end_sec":4212.3,"text":"Do you mean usable for emergency shelter?","topics_json":"[\"homelessness\"]","vector_id":"vec_seg_101944_122","created_at":"2026-10-31T08:06:29Z","speaker_name":"Sharon Duca"},{"id":"seg_101944_123","meeting_id":"101944","media_asset_id":"med_101944_14427beca4965cc4","agenda_item_id":null,"speaker_id":"off_roy_sudler_jr","speaker_confidence":0.95,"start_sec":4212.5,"end_sec":4244.5,"text":"Yes, usable, I call it At this point, I would say habitable because I do know that um the Morris Community Corrections Center, in my view, if it had 150 beds, you know, it was sort of for housing um you know, those individuals, I think level four, you know, those who are seeking uh some type of mental health or just coming from, you know, jail, that transition home. But yes, in in other words, do we have a a pulse on whether or not the actual facility is usable? When I say usable, meaning does it have asbestos, you know, asbestos, so it can't we can't be in there? Um Is there mold and mildew? Because the lights are on every night um and taxpayers are paying for that facility uh with their tax dollars. And we can help our unsheltered. I believe that it would be in our best interest to do so. That's 150 beds. If there's something minor that we can take care of uh to fill in the gap of the Sheraton not being open uh within whatever weeks or months, I think it would be in our best interest to do so because um I think that we can we need to invest in something uh right now uh for our unsheltered than than try to In my view, uh we have a whole bunch of excuses why we can't do something. I'm trying to look at why we can. How How can we do this? You know, um so what is preventing the Morris Community Corrections Center that we know factually right now, structurally or environmentally? Is there Is there any, you know, environmental hazards in there uh that is causing the for us the homeless not to be able to temporarily use that or the unsheltered to temporarily use that? And And also in regards to the um the courthouse, the courthouse is also, in my view, from my um research, is also um healthy when it comes to the zoning. They can use that as a daytime hub where people can come in for they can be out the cold during the daytime, and they can deal with caseworkers or deal with uh individuals that want to provide them with some type of, you know, um sources or resources to help them through the day and give them a shelter away from um areas that other individuals have deemed um them to be undesirable, like in front of businesses, sleeping in front of Lockerman, you know, um the businesses on Lockerman Street at night, or even City Hall. There's there's individuals that's sleeping at night right here in City Hall. So, we have to put them somewhere um where they'll be safe, right, and where it's where it's more suitable uh, in my view, and safe. Um What is What What is restricting us from, separate from getting the okay from those who own those facilities, or the state who owns that facility, separate from the okay, what is structurally keeping us from using the Family Court as a daytime hub for resources and then using Morris at night for for beds? Because they have a cafeteria, they have showers. Their infrastructure is ready to go for day one, December 1st, from my research, I could be wrong, um but it's ready to go. Morris, that is ready to go day one. And the daytime hub could be the Family Court, ready to go day one. So, and and I'm wondering what is what is the big um elephant in the room? What's keeping us from making this happen separate from state legislators um or Kent Kent County legislators or local legislators, us, pushing for this to happen uh now? That, you know, as as if there is no contingency plan. It's It's structurally sound, because if it wasn't, then it would be torn down, right? If it was If it was a dangerous building, it should be on the dangerous building list for the city of Dover or for Kent County or for the state, and I don't see it on the dangerous building list. So, um what's keeping us from utilizing it? Uh I'm sure it doesn't have to be a five-star hotel. Uh we're talking about people who are sleeping outside. Uh so, you know, I'm I'm not um blaming anyone or frustrated at anyone particularly, but I'm compassionate about the the the circumstances and and all these, you know, in my view, um examples of excuses of why we can't do what needs to be done. Um so, it's not towards you or anyone particular, it's just it's blaming on on on my heart for the unsheltered. I yield.","topics_json":"[\"homelessness\",\"housing\",\"public_safety\",\"zoning\"]","vector_id":"vec_seg_101944_123","created_at":"2026-10-31T08:06:29Z","speaker_name":"Roy Sudler, Jr."},{"id":"seg_101944_124","meeting_id":"101944","media_asset_id":"med_101944_14427beca4965cc4","agenda_item_id":null,"speaker_id":"spk_101944_sharon_duca","speaker_confidence":0.85,"start_sec":4206.6,"end_sec":4247.3,"text":"So, I think the the key thing to remember is that uh we're not providing excuses this evening for why we can't do anything. Kay brought up a four-part plan. We're trying to find different availability. She's been working, and Jason, they've been working with the state on various levels, different locations. So, I don't think we've come across a uh obstacle at this point in terms of any facility that's completely off-limits. It's trying to work through the process uh to make sure um it works with the what's the state able to accomplish, what are we able to accomplish, and things of that nature.","topics_json":"[\"homelessness\",\"housing\"]","vector_id":"vec_seg_101944_124","created_at":"2026-10-31T08:06:29Z","speaker_name":"Sharon Duca"},{"id":"seg_101944_125","meeting_id":"101944","media_asset_id":"med_101944_14427beca4965cc4","agenda_item_id":null,"speaker_id":"off_roy_sudler_jr","speaker_confidence":0.95,"start_sec":4249.2,"end_sec":4284.8,"text":"And thank you. I didn't I didn't, like I said, it wasn't directly towards anyone in particular. I just feel like I've heard a lot of excuses from other um public servants of why we can't do what whatever we are trying to to help bring relief to our constituents in whatever way. And I guess it's a spilling over of that, you know, it's it's time for the excuses to stop and if you're going to be a public servant, let's serve and let's help our constituents. So, please don't uh not for you, Kay, or It's It's It's just, I guess, you know, spilling over, so just getting a little frustrated with with the excuses in general. I yield.","topics_json":"[\"homelessness\"]","vector_id":"vec_seg_101944_125","created_at":"2026-10-31T08:06:29Z","speaker_name":"Roy Sudler, Jr."},{"id":"seg_101944_126","meeting_id":"101944","media_asset_id":"med_101944_14427beca4965cc4","agenda_item_id":null,"speaker_id":"spk_101944_sharon_duca","speaker_confidence":0.85,"start_sec":4285,"end_sec":4286,"text":"Understood.","topics_json":"[]","vector_id":"vec_seg_101944_126","created_at":"2026-10-31T08:06:29Z","speaker_name":"Sharon Duca"},{"id":"seg_101944_127","meeting_id":"101944","media_asset_id":"med_101944_14427beca4965cc4","agenda_item_id":null,"speaker_id":"off_andre_m_boggerty","speaker_confidence":0.95,"start_sec":4286.2,"end_sec":4289.6,"text":"Thank you. The chair recognizes uh Mayor Christiansen.","topics_json":"[]","vector_id":"vec_seg_101944_127","created_at":"2026-10-31T08:06:29Z","speaker_name":"Andre M. Boggerty"},{"id":"seg_101944_128","meeting_id":"101944","media_asset_id":"med_101944_14427beca4965cc4","agenda_item_id":null,"speaker_id":"off_robin_r_christiansen","speaker_confidence":0.95,"start_sec":4290.3,"end_sec":4343.1,"text":"Thank you, Mr. Chairman. Uh as Ms. Kay indicated, we have been in constant uh conversation with Secretary Magkos, and they should have a plan, according to Senator Paradee, a plan with uh in the next week or so in regarding uh fast-tracking the Hope Center. Now, it has some deficiencies, but in an emergency, I'm sure that it could be used. But the entire program is going to be based on transportation for those who need it. It has 150 box springs that DelDOT state left the furniture uh there for whoever took it over. In addition to providing wrap-around services for the residents of the future Hope Center and also security, security being maintained for that facility. Also, several people from the IMA, the Interdenominational Ministers Association, are revisiting their participation in Code Purple. So, uh and I appreciate your uh your your uh information on the Morris Center and the Family Court building. At one time in a in a past life, I did have the opportunity uh that those were two of my accounts, and Family Court is very cut up. However, it would be usable. And the Morris Center does need some uh upgrades, and I'm not sure what those uh would be because this is 13 years after the fact, but I think that the fact that the IMA and Secretary Magkos are trying to fast-track something or get other people involved is the route we need to go, and we need to go in earnest. Thank you, Mr. Chairman.","topics_json":"[\"homelessness\",\"code_purple\",\"housing\"]","vector_id":"vec_seg_101944_128","created_at":"2026-10-31T08:06:29Z","speaker_name":"Robin R. Christiansen"},{"id":"seg_101944_129","meeting_id":"101944","media_asset_id":"med_101944_14427beca4965cc4","agenda_item_id":null,"speaker_id":"off_andre_m_boggerty","speaker_confidence":0.95,"start_sec":4344.1,"end_sec":4361.4,"text":"The chair recognizes um uh committee member uh Kemp online. Uh Ms. Kemp, you're recognized. Some reason we hearing I think they're hearing um online, but not in pub- not here. Stand by, uh Ms. Kemp. They're making some adjustments.","topics_json":"[]","vector_id":"vec_seg_101944_129","created_at":"2026-10-31T08:06:29Z","speaker_name":"Andre M. Boggerty"},{"id":"seg_101944_13","meeting_id":"101944","media_asset_id":"med_101944_14427beca4965cc4","agenda_item_id":null,"speaker_id":"spk_101944_christine_kemp","speaker_confidence":0.9,"start_sec":137,"end_sec":153.9,"text":"We're not at our house. And tonight, of course, is the inspection that was arranged by our insurance company to get us back into our house. So, um thankfully, I am allowed to join virtually, and I'm happy to be here.","topics_json":"[]","vector_id":"vec_seg_101944_13","created_at":"2026-10-31T08:06:28Z","speaker_name":"Christine Kemp"},{"id":"seg_101944_130","meeting_id":"101944","media_asset_id":"med_101944_14427beca4965cc4","agenda_item_id":null,"speaker_id":"off_andre_m_boggerty","speaker_confidence":0.95,"start_sec":4362.1,"end_sec":4367.6,"text":"Okay, now you can hear you. Can you restate whatever you were saying? We appreciate it. Thank you.","topics_json":"[]","vector_id":"vec_seg_101944_130","created_at":"2026-10-31T08:06:29Z","speaker_name":"Andre M. Boggerty"},{"id":"seg_101944_131","meeting_id":"101944","media_asset_id":"med_101944_14427beca4965cc4","agenda_item_id":null,"speaker_id":"spk_101944_kimberly_kemp","speaker_confidence":0.85,"start_sec":4368.8,"end_sec":4428,"text":"Now, as someone who, you know, works with justice-involved victims and and the homeless population, my primary concern would be case management. What type of case management services are going to be addressed at this emergency housing facility to encourage sustainability and mental health and substance abuse treatment services? Um and if if we are reaching out to criminal justice agencies such as Probation and Parole, Dover PD, because some of these people may be justice-involved, so these are just things that I would I would like to for us to have at the forefront of this conversation and measuring how the the um progress is going with these individuals that are engaging in such services.","topics_json":"[\"homelessness\",\"housing\",\"public_safety\"]","vector_id":"vec_seg_101944_131","created_at":"2026-10-31T08:06:29Z","speaker_name":"Kimberly Kemp"},{"id":"seg_101944_132","meeting_id":"101944","media_asset_id":"med_101944_14427beca4965cc4","agenda_item_id":null,"speaker_id":"off_andre_m_boggerty","speaker_confidence":0.95,"start_sec":4431.5,"end_sec":4444.8,"text":"Thank Thank you, uh Ms. Kemp. I'm sure I know Ms. Duca we kind of you kind of addressed that. Could you restate that for the record about the plan or the mayor um the wrap-around services that would be provided?","topics_json":"[\"homelessness\"]","vector_id":"vec_seg_101944_132","created_at":"2026-10-31T08:06:29Z","speaker_name":"Andre M. Boggerty"},{"id":"seg_101944_133","meeting_id":"101944","media_asset_id":"med_101944_14427beca4965cc4","agenda_item_id":null,"speaker_id":"spk_101944_sharon_duca","speaker_confidence":0.85,"start_sec":4445.5,"end_sec":4447.7,"text":"I think the the mayor said it best.","topics_json":"[]","vector_id":"vec_seg_101944_133","created_at":"2026-10-31T08:06:29Z","speaker_name":"Sharon Duca"},{"id":"seg_101944_134","meeting_id":"101944","media_asset_id":"med_101944_14427beca4965cc4","agenda_item_id":null,"speaker_id":"off_andre_m_boggerty","speaker_confidence":0.95,"start_sec":4447.9,"end_sec":4448.6,"text":"Yeah.","topics_json":"[]","vector_id":"vec_seg_101944_134","created_at":"2026-10-31T08:06:29Z","speaker_name":"Andre M. Boggerty"},{"id":"seg_101944_135","meeting_id":"101944","media_asset_id":"med_101944_14427beca4965cc4","agenda_item_id":null,"speaker_id":"off_robin_r_christiansen","speaker_confidence":0.95,"start_sec":4450.3,"end_sec":4523.7,"text":"So, our understanding of the preliminary plans uh are for uh folks with addiction to receive wrap-around services there. Uh it even has morphed into the fact that they hope to put that in place because they have a commercial kitchen there to provide job training and uh the whole gamut to get these folks back on the street. The Hope Center for Kent County, as as we've discussed it uh previously, and I don't think that model has changed yet, we've not received any notification, is to uh differ from the Hope Center in New Castle County. It is must not going to be just a warehouse, but it's going to be something that has meaningful services for folks that have drug addiction, alcohol addiction, uh mental health issues, and who are in need of job training uh so that they can go back and lead the the life that they really should be leading rather than uh being trapped in in whatever situation they are. So, that's the initial plan on it. I don't think that that has changed. I think it's just a It's just a matter of getting those uh those in place once the once the center gets up and running.","topics_json":"[\"homelessness\",\"housing\"]","vector_id":"vec_seg_101944_135","created_at":"2026-10-31T08:06:29Z","speaker_name":"Robin R. Christiansen"},{"id":"seg_101944_136","meeting_id":"101944","media_asset_id":"med_101944_14427beca4965cc4","agenda_item_id":null,"speaker_id":"off_andre_m_boggerty","speaker_confidence":0.95,"start_sec":4524.3,"end_sec":4582.9,"text":"Thank Thank you. Um and I do know individuals have asked about transportation. I I do know that some some of the transportation, specifically up north uh in New Castle, some of that transportation is contracted out. So, they are contractors who provide transportation through a state through state contracting to uh For example, um I know for a fact that we have children who live in New Castle at the Hope Center who commute to uh Dover uh or to Capital School District because the children have a right to attend schools in their in their areas. We have our You still council president, are you still president? We have We're fortunate enough to have president of the school board who who's shaking um her head and validating that that um So, um so the some of those individuals come via contractors. Is that correct, Dr. Cade?","topics_json":"[\"housing\",\"homelessness\"]","vector_id":"vec_seg_101944_136","created_at":"2026-10-31T08:06:29Z","speaker_name":"Andre M. Boggerty"},{"id":"seg_101944_137","meeting_id":"101944","media_asset_id":"med_101944_14427beca4965cc4","agenda_item_id":null,"speaker_id":"spk_101944_dr_vilicia_cade","speaker_confidence":0.85,"start_sec":4583.5,"end_sec":4602.2,"text":"Yes, that is correct. That falls under McKinney-Vento, and so under that law we are required to transport our students to whatever school district they are originally from if that is the family's desire. And so that's already set up through the school district, and yes, our services are contracted.","topics_json":"[\"housing\",\"homelessness\"]","vector_id":"vec_seg_101944_137","created_at":"2026-10-31T08:06:29Z","speaker_name":"Dr. Vilicia Cade"},{"id":"seg_101944_138","meeting_id":"101944","media_asset_id":"med_101944_14427beca4965cc4","agenda_item_id":null,"speaker_id":"off_andre_m_boggerty","speaker_confidence":0.95,"start_sec":4602.8,"end_sec":4624.6,"text":"And in those Hope and in some of the member and some of the individuals who live in the Hope um Hope Center also receive transportation to various doctor's appointments, etc. Um all right, so um there's a couple members of the public um we who would like to um address us. Please state your name for the record and","topics_json":"[\"housing\",\"homelessness\"]","vector_id":"vec_seg_101944_138","created_at":"2026-10-31T08:06:29Z","speaker_name":"Andre M. Boggerty"},{"id":"seg_101944_139","meeting_id":"101944","media_asset_id":"med_101944_14427beca4965cc4","agenda_item_id":null,"speaker_id":"spk_101944_bonnie","speaker_confidence":0.85,"start_sec":4625.4,"end_sec":4678.7,"text":"Good evening, everyone. Hi. My name is Bonnie. I live in Dover. I have one question: Last year when it was so cold outside, they had opened up the high school in the evening to give these homeless people a place to live. Could they not do that again until they find a home to put these people off the street? Because it's not going to be December by time it gets cold, it's getting cold already. Number two, the place that's in front of the the um","topics_json":"[\"homelessness\",\"housing\",\"code_purple\"]","vector_id":"vec_seg_101944_139","created_at":"2026-10-31T08:06:29Z","speaker_name":"Bonnie"},{"id":"seg_101944_14","meeting_id":"101944","media_asset_id":"med_101944_14427beca4965cc4","agenda_item_id":null,"speaker_id":"off_andre_m_boggerty","speaker_confidence":0.95,"start_sec":154,"end_sec":223.5,"text":"Thank you, and more importantly, we're glad you are safe and we have been in contact with Well, I didn't want to be a bother to you, but I'm glad you and your family are safe and all things are working out well. All right? Um the first uh order of business is um the priority- prioritization of the City of Dover State Capital Transportation Fund, um that is the CPT projects. I'd like to call, I recognize Miss, our city manager, Sharon Duca, and and and et al., if anybody else is with you.","topics_json":"[\"budget\"]","vector_id":"vec_seg_101944_14","created_at":"2026-10-31T08:06:28Z","speaker_name":"Andre M. Boggerty"},{"id":"seg_101944_140","meeting_id":"101944","media_asset_id":"med_101944_14427beca4965cc4","agenda_item_id":null,"speaker_id":"spk_101944_faye_white","speaker_confidence":0.9,"start_sec":4718.67,"end_sec":4749.3,"text":"saying. Everybody's saying it's not a good place to use. I got three questions. One, the electric bills on every—the lights are on every day, every night. I know, because I go by there every day. Number two, if it is so bad in this building, why are they renting out their offices, uh, rooms for office space, and they're training dogs there? So if it's this bad and it's got so much mildew, so much damage, why are they putting these dogs' life in danger? That's my questions.","topics_json":"[\"homelessness\",\"housing\",\"budget\"]","vector_id":"vec_seg_101944_140","created_at":"2026-10-31T08:06:29Z","speaker_name":"Faye White"},{"id":"seg_101944_141","meeting_id":"101944","media_asset_id":"med_101944_14427beca4965cc4","agenda_item_id":null,"speaker_id":"spk_101944_faye_white","speaker_confidence":0.9,"start_sec":4750.62,"end_sec":4764.09,"text":"My thing is, there's plenty of schools out here that can be opened at nighttime. They've done it once. Why can't they do it again? You cannot wait until December to put these people in a home.","topics_json":"[\"homelessness\",\"housing\",\"code_purple\"]","vector_id":"vec_seg_101944_141","created_at":"2026-10-31T08:06:29Z","speaker_name":"Faye White"},{"id":"seg_101944_142","meeting_id":"101944","media_asset_id":"med_101944_14427beca4965cc4","agenda_item_id":null,"speaker_id":"spk_101944_faye_white","speaker_confidence":0.9,"start_sec":4764.9,"end_sec":4770.24,"text":"You think we had deaths last year? We're going to have more this year, because it's going to get colder.","topics_json":"[\"homelessness\",\"public_safety\"]","vector_id":"vec_seg_101944_142","created_at":"2026-10-31T08:06:29Z","speaker_name":"Faye White"},{"id":"seg_101944_143","meeting_id":"101944","media_asset_id":"med_101944_14427beca4965cc4","agenda_item_id":null,"speaker_id":"spk_101944_faye_white","speaker_confidence":0.9,"start_sec":4770.84,"end_sec":4786.47,"text":"And I know for a fact there was three of them here last year in the city that did not die from drugs. They died from being frozen to death. Sleeping on a cold ground just in a blanket is not going to keep anybody warm.","topics_json":"[\"homelessness\",\"public_safety\"]","vector_id":"vec_seg_101944_143","created_at":"2026-10-31T08:06:29Z","speaker_name":"Faye White"},{"id":"seg_101944_144","meeting_id":"101944","media_asset_id":"med_101944_14427beca4965cc4","agenda_item_id":null,"speaker_id":"spk_101944_faye_white","speaker_confidence":0.9,"start_sec":4787.13,"end_sec":4826.19,"text":"So why can't they open up the schools? There's plenty of schools in this area that could be used in the evening for a couple hours a night or the weekends. The place is—they leave the lights on at the school. Everybody in this room is paying the taxes, so why can't they use it? I mean, seriously, I'm getting tired of paying taxes on an electric bill that's that's being used, and nobody's in the building.","topics_json":"[\"taxes\",\"budget\",\"homelessness\",\"housing\"]","vector_id":"vec_seg_101944_144","created_at":"2026-10-31T08:06:29Z","speaker_name":"Faye White"},{"id":"seg_101944_145","meeting_id":"101944","media_asset_id":"med_101944_14427beca4965cc4","agenda_item_id":null,"speaker_id":"spk_101944_faye_white","speaker_confidence":0.9,"start_sec":4826.49,"end_sec":4860.78,"text":"I don't know about anybody else, but I know I'm getting tired of putting all my heart and tax money out just for me not to see none of it. Thank you.","topics_json":"[\"taxes\",\"budget\"]","vector_id":"vec_seg_101944_145","created_at":"2026-10-31T08:06:29Z","speaker_name":"Faye White"},{"id":"seg_101944_146","meeting_id":"101944","media_asset_id":"med_101944_14427beca4965cc4","agenda_item_id":null,"speaker_id":"off_andre_m_boggerty","speaker_confidence":0.95,"start_sec":4861.56,"end_sec":4872.93,"text":"Thank you. There's—ma'am, I need a need you to come to my house and tell my son that. What? Uh Mr. Faust.","topics_json":"[]","vector_id":"vec_seg_101944_146","created_at":"2026-10-31T08:06:29Z","speaker_name":"Andre M. Boggerty"},{"id":"seg_101944_147","meeting_id":"101944","media_asset_id":"med_101944_14427beca4965cc4","agenda_item_id":null,"speaker_id":"spk_101944_william_faust","speaker_confidence":0.9,"start_sec":4873.26,"end_sec":4897.32,"text":"William Faust, Dover, Delaware. Dr. Sudler, just to answer your question, Morris Correctional Facility, all the staff areas are maintained. Inmates don't destroy it. Offenders are very hard on equipment. I've had offenders rip toilets out, destroy plumbing. Councilman, uh, Lewis worked at the prison. It has it hasn't been used in years, the kitchen and everything like that. So there's issues.","topics_json":"[\"public_safety\",\"housing\"]","vector_id":"vec_seg_101944_147","created_at":"2026-10-31T08:06:29Z","speaker_name":"William Faust"},{"id":"seg_101944_148","meeting_id":"101944","media_asset_id":"med_101944_14427beca4965cc4","agenda_item_id":null,"speaker_id":"spk_101944_william_faust","speaker_confidence":0.9,"start_sec":4897.56,"end_sec":4927.26,"text":"To my thinking, like partners that used to work there, it had plumbing issues. It had air back and heating issues, because sometimes they were freezing at night time, just to digres that. I want to think outside the box. Have we ever discussed, called the National Guard, FEMA, or Dover Air Force Base and asked if they could set up on a temporary basis emergency housing, come in just drop it down, has water, has everything? It gets us through the winter months.","topics_json":"[\"homelessness\",\"housing\",\"code_purple\"]","vector_id":"vec_seg_101944_148","created_at":"2026-10-31T08:06:29Z","speaker_name":"William Faust"},{"id":"seg_101944_149","meeting_id":"101944","media_asset_id":"med_101944_14427beca4965cc4","agenda_item_id":null,"speaker_id":"spk_101944_william_faust","speaker_confidence":0.9,"start_sec":4928.28,"end_sec":4948.8,"text":"You know, we have National Guard bases, the state, the may- I mean, the governor could ask for something to be done, or go to uh the federal government and say, \"Look, FEMA, we got people freezing to death. Can we get some portable housing be dropped here, temporary basis to get us through five or six months of the cold?\" Has anyone thought of that?","topics_json":"[\"homelessness\",\"housing\",\"code_purple\"]","vector_id":"vec_seg_101944_149","created_at":"2026-10-31T08:06:29Z","speaker_name":"William Faust"},{"id":"seg_101944_15","meeting_id":"101944","media_asset_id":"med_101944_14427beca4965cc4","agenda_item_id":null,"speaker_id":"spk_101944_sharon_duca","speaker_confidence":0.95,"start_sec":224,"end_sec":327.9,"text":"Good evening. Sharon Duca, city manager. Um I do have Jason Lyon here with me if there are certain questions that we need answered during afterwards. Um, but basically, the capital transportation program projects are developed every year and prioritized by the City of Dover for submission to DelDOT and the Kent County MPO. Um we continue to organize them by category classification and then prioritize them within those classifications. Uh overall, there's 13 projects. Uh three are economic development related, four are safety and capacity projects, and six are transportation system improvements. Um following approval by the committee and council, the 2027 transportation priorities will be sent to the Secretary of Transportation at DelDOT and the Dover/Kent County Metropolitan Planning Organization for consideration and ranking for funding.","topics_json":"[\"budget\",\"public_safety\"]","vector_id":"vec_seg_101944_15","created_at":"2026-10-31T08:06:28Z","speaker_name":"Sharon Duca"},{"id":"seg_101944_150","meeting_id":"101944","media_asset_id":"med_101944_14427beca4965cc4","agenda_item_id":null,"speaker_id":"spk_101944_william_faust","speaker_confidence":0.9,"start_sec":4949.58,"end_sec":4967.88,"text":"I mean, right now we can't count on the state. The state might be crying poverty. Go to the federal government. Go to the National Guard. If there was disaster hit, the National Guard could put up tents or temporary housing to to house Marines, uh National Guard, whatever. Have we thought about doing that?","topics_json":"[\"homelessness\",\"housing\"]","vector_id":"vec_seg_101944_150","created_at":"2026-10-31T08:06:29Z","speaker_name":"William Faust"},{"id":"seg_101944_151","meeting_id":"101944","media_asset_id":"med_101944_14427beca4965cc4","agenda_item_id":null,"speaker_id":"spk_101944_william_faust","speaker_confidence":0.9,"start_sec":4969.38,"end_sec":4979.34,"text":"I'm just saying, you know, time's ticking away. Let's be smart. I mean, we can't blame it on anyone if we don't ask. How do you know they're going to say no? Thank you for your time.","topics_json":"[\"homelessness\",\"housing\"]","vector_id":"vec_seg_101944_151","created_at":"2026-10-31T08:06:29Z","speaker_name":"William Faust"},{"id":"seg_101944_152","meeting_id":"101944","media_asset_id":"med_101944_14427beca4965cc4","agenda_item_id":null,"speaker_id":"off_andre_m_boggerty","speaker_confidence":0.95,"start_sec":4982.46,"end_sec":4992.12,"text":"Uh thank you. Um Oh the Oh there's we uh one more member from the public, I believe. Two, two more members. Please state your name and address for the record.","topics_json":"[]","vector_id":"vec_seg_101944_152","created_at":"2026-10-31T08:06:29Z","speaker_name":"Andre M. Boggerty"},{"id":"seg_101944_153","meeting_id":"101944","media_asset_id":"med_101944_14427beca4965cc4","agenda_item_id":null,"speaker_id":"spk_101944_asher_samandra_um","speaker_confidence":0.9,"start_sec":4992.75,"end_sec":5016.84,"text":"Hello. Um my name is Asher Samandra. Um I just um believe that we we've been given um great opportunity here. There are um amazing places around here that are really are helping us. Um We just need The homeless people just need to take advantage of it.","topics_json":"[\"homelessness\",\"housing\"]","vector_id":"vec_seg_101944_153","created_at":"2026-10-31T08:06:29Z","speaker_name":"Asher Samandra. Um"},{"id":"seg_101944_154","meeting_id":"101944","media_asset_id":"med_101944_14427beca4965cc4","agenda_item_id":null,"speaker_id":"spk_101944_asher_samandra_um","speaker_confidence":0.9,"start_sec":5017.5,"end_sec":5038.74,"text":"Um that's just really nutshell of it. We had to take advantage of what we are given. Um So and there's um just some people that wreck it for everybody else. That's It is what it is, though. So","topics_json":"[\"homelessness\"]","vector_id":"vec_seg_101944_154","created_at":"2026-10-31T08:06:29Z","speaker_name":"Asher Samandra. Um"},{"id":"seg_101944_155","meeting_id":"101944","media_asset_id":"med_101944_14427beca4965cc4","agenda_item_id":null,"speaker_id":"spk_101944_asher_samandra_um","speaker_confidence":0.9,"start_sec":5039.43,"end_sec":5056.56,"text":"that's what I think about security. When you guys talk about security, I think about that. About how like it's how places are going to be secure um when there's people around here who um just appear that they don't want to get their lives together or even attempt at it. So","topics_json":"[\"public_safety\",\"homelessness\"]","vector_id":"vec_seg_101944_155","created_at":"2026-10-31T08:06:29Z","speaker_name":"Asher Samandra. Um"},{"id":"seg_101944_156","meeting_id":"101944","media_asset_id":"med_101944_14427beca4965cc4","agenda_item_id":null,"speaker_id":"spk_101944_asher_samandra_um","speaker_confidence":0.9,"start_sec":5057.94,"end_sec":5060.43,"text":"that's all I wanted to say. Thank you.","topics_json":"[]","vector_id":"vec_seg_101944_156","created_at":"2026-10-31T08:06:29Z","speaker_name":"Asher Samandra. Um"},{"id":"seg_101944_157","meeting_id":"101944","media_asset_id":"med_101944_14427beca4965cc4","agenda_item_id":null,"speaker_id":"off_andre_m_boggerty","speaker_confidence":0.95,"start_sec":5060.97,"end_sec":5062.5,"text":"Thank you.","topics_json":"[]","vector_id":"vec_seg_101944_157","created_at":"2026-10-31T08:06:29Z","speaker_name":"Andre M. Boggerty"},{"id":"seg_101944_158","meeting_id":"101944","media_asset_id":"med_101944_14427beca4965cc4","agenda_item_id":null,"speaker_id":"off_andre_m_boggerty","speaker_confidence":0.95,"start_sec":5063.67,"end_sec":5065.26,"text":"Was somebody else, all right.","topics_json":"[]","vector_id":"vec_seg_101944_158","created_at":"2026-10-31T08:06:29Z","speaker_name":"Andre M. Boggerty"},{"id":"seg_101944_159","meeting_id":"101944","media_asset_id":"med_101944_14427beca4965cc4","agenda_item_id":null,"speaker_id":"spk_101944_aimee_norman","speaker_confidence":0.9,"start_sec":5065.53,"end_sec":5095.83,"text":"Hi, Aimee Norman. I am currently homeless. Um I wrote something for the city of Dover. Not trying to come out y'all, but y'all really need to fix this because winter's coming, like a lot of other people have said. And not a lot of us have a place to re- let's rest our heads or even stay warm, like a couple of other people said. And most shelters don't take couples, dogs, or even sex offenders.","topics_json":"[\"homelessness\",\"housing\",\"code_purple\"]","vector_id":"vec_seg_101944_159","created_at":"2026-10-31T08:06:29Z","speaker_name":"Aimee Norman"},{"id":"seg_101944_16","meeting_id":"101944","media_asset_id":"med_101944_14427beca4965cc4","agenda_item_id":null,"speaker_id":"spk_101944_sharon_duca","speaker_confidence":0.95,"start_sec":328,"end_sec":444.9,"text":"So, our projects include economic development priorities, as I mentioned, which include the Garrison Connector, um, uh, business-to-business connector, North Little Creek Road to Horsepond Road, and Horsepond to Lafferty Lane and Starlifter, and Lockerman Street and Forest Avenue intersection improvements. Our safety and capacity improvement priorities include College Road from Kenton Road to McKee Road, uh sidewalks within the walk walk zone of Dover High School, our US 13 sidewalk construction and related improvements, McKee Road/Salisbury Road study. Our transportation improvement priorities include Kings Highway/White Oak Road/Route 13 intersection, sidewalk improvements to North State Street from Division to Walker Road, downtown strategic plan improvements, and Bay Road pedestrian improvements and landscaping. We also have, um, development regulations that are being looked at in relation to freight issues, as well as our local streets that we must maintain. So, if there are any specific questions regarding any of this these projects, I can certainly have Jason come up, and we can try to answer them the best we can.","topics_json":"[\"public_safety\",\"business\"]","vector_id":"vec_seg_101944_16","created_at":"2026-10-31T08:06:28Z","speaker_name":"Sharon Duca"},{"id":"seg_101944_160","meeting_id":"101944","media_asset_id":"med_101944_14427beca4965cc4","agenda_item_id":null,"speaker_id":"spk_101944_aimee_norman","speaker_confidence":0.9,"start_sec":5096.34,"end_sec":5120.43,"text":"We need a place for all of us to go to stay warm this winter. And the winter's coming fast if you haven't seen the news. But we all really need a place to stay and keep our heads warm, even if it's something small. People have talked to me about tent cities, or even a small little apartment on the outskirts of town, not even on the outskirts, just on the edge that could be built for us, just to keep our heads warm at night during this cold winter. Thank you.","topics_json":"[\"homelessness\",\"housing\",\"code_purple\"]","vector_id":"vec_seg_101944_160","created_at":"2026-10-31T08:06:29Z","speaker_name":"Aimee Norman"},{"id":"seg_101944_161","meeting_id":"101944","media_asset_id":"med_101944_14427beca4965cc4","agenda_item_id":null,"speaker_id":"off_andre_m_boggerty","speaker_confidence":0.95,"start_sec":5121.45,"end_sec":5125.53,"text":"Thank you. Um The chair recognizes Ms. Anderson.","topics_json":"[]","vector_id":"vec_seg_101944_161","created_at":"2026-10-31T08:06:29Z","speaker_name":"Andre M. Boggerty"},{"id":"seg_101944_162","meeting_id":"101944","media_asset_id":"med_101944_14427beca4965cc4","agenda_item_id":null,"speaker_id":"spk_101944_public_commenter_ms_anderson","speaker_confidence":0.85,"start_sec":5125.68,"end_sec":5144.46,"text":"Um yes, being a former National Guard family, and now reservist, [laughter] um I was thinking what Mr. Faust said, too. I've been sitting back here thinking, we already have a crime issue in Dover, okay? Why couldn't we bring in the Guard? We could deal with Could we do that, deal with the crime and the homelessness at the same time? There has to be some kind of solution.","topics_json":"[\"homelessness\",\"public_safety\"]","vector_id":"vec_seg_101944_162","created_at":"2026-10-31T08:06:29Z","speaker_name":"Ms. Anderson (Public Commenter)"},{"id":"seg_101944_163","meeting_id":"101944","media_asset_id":"med_101944_14427beca4965cc4","agenda_item_id":null,"speaker_id":"spk_101944_public_commenter_ms_anderson","speaker_confidence":0.85,"start_sec":5144.73,"end_sec":5171.7,"text":"And I get what we're bringing up the schools, but I also get what the young lady just said about the sex offenders. We can't have sex offenders staying after being near our children, either. So I I get where there's complications with that, but could we Is there a way that we could bring in the National Guard just temporarily to help with this homelessness situation, and also with the crime that's getting out of control? Could we do both things at one time? I don't know, but we've got to do something, because these people are going to freeze to death. Thank you.","topics_json":"[\"homelessness\",\"public_safety\",\"code_purple\"]","vector_id":"vec_seg_101944_163","created_at":"2026-10-31T08:06:29Z","speaker_name":"Ms. Anderson (Public Commenter)"},{"id":"seg_101944_164","meeting_id":"101944","media_asset_id":"med_101944_14427beca4965cc4","agenda_item_id":null,"speaker_id":"off_andre_m_boggerty","speaker_confidence":0.95,"start_sec":5172.42,"end_sec":5176.17,"text":"Thank you. The chair recognizes uh Mayor Christiansen.","topics_json":"[]","vector_id":"vec_seg_101944_164","created_at":"2026-10-31T08:06:29Z","speaker_name":"Andre M. Boggerty"},{"id":"seg_101944_165","meeting_id":"101944","media_asset_id":"med_101944_14427beca4965cc4","agenda_item_id":null,"speaker_id":"off_robin_r_christiansen","speaker_confidence":0.95,"start_sec":5176.74,"end_sec":5220.66,"text":"Yes, and uh I think that, in a humanitarian uh point of view, the uh National Guard could help us, maybe, if we reach out to uh Adjutant General Benson. But I will tell you that we are not going to bring or request troops to be on the streets in the city of Dover. We have a crime issue, we have issues, but it violates one of the tenets of this government or federal government, and that's posse comitatus. And uh I don't think that we need uh National Guard troops If we're if we're that bad, we are really in trouble.","topics_json":"[\"public_safety\",\"homelessness\"]","vector_id":"vec_seg_101944_165","created_at":"2026-10-31T08:06:29Z","speaker_name":"Robin R. 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Boggerty"},{"id":"seg_101944_168","meeting_id":"101944","media_asset_id":"med_101944_14427beca4965cc4","agenda_item_id":null,"speaker_id":"off_andre_m_boggerty","speaker_confidence":0.95,"start_sec":5280.72,"end_sec":5314.35,"text":"Um and I'll give you the number. If you're a veteran or you know a veteran that's unhoused right now, um um they do help with, you know, coordinate some services, but they have four bedrooms left. It's a very well-kept area. Um The area is The phone number is [contact removed]. I've also provided it to the city clerk to disseminate to uh members of council just in case you run into a veteran that um that finds themselves in an unfortunate situation of being unhoused for any reason.","topics_json":"[\"homelessness\",\"housing\"]","vector_id":"vec_seg_101944_168","created_at":"2026-10-31T08:06:29Z","speaker_name":"Andre M. Boggerty"},{"id":"seg_101944_169","meeting_id":"101944","media_asset_id":"med_101944_14427beca4965cc4","agenda_item_id":null,"speaker_id":"off_andre_m_boggerty","speaker_confidence":0.95,"start_sec":5314.74,"end_sec":5324.25,"text":"Please feel free to contact me directly if you if you need to. With that said, if there be no more, um Councilman The chair recognizes Councilman Anderson.","topics_json":"[]","vector_id":"vec_seg_101944_169","created_at":"2026-10-31T08:06:29Z","speaker_name":"Andre M. Boggerty"},{"id":"seg_101944_17","meeting_id":"101944","media_asset_id":"med_101944_14427beca4965cc4","agenda_item_id":null,"speaker_id":"off_andre_m_boggerty","speaker_confidence":0.95,"start_sec":445,"end_sec":600.9,"text":"Yes, thank you. Thank you for that. And um, I'll recognize those. I have uh just one or two minor, well, not minor questions. Uh our infrastructure is growing. Uh of course, where I live, they finally opened up the Kenton Road, and out of habit, I continue to make the turn of the detour. I just haven't just hadn't grown on me that it's open. But I'm also noticing that even within the in those nice traffic circles, they look really nice. Um however, we are seeing an increase of of 18-wheelers in those areas. Even though they've widened it in the traffic circles, what are we are these new projects are are are they going to detour some of those 18-wheelers from coming into, you know, some of those more residential areas? And/or are they going to Is is Are they going to be able to sustain I know that's one of my colleagues' biggest um questions usually, um um Dr. Sudler, about the containing the infrastructure, the roads, with the with the 18-wheelers um coming through uh various parts of the city. Are are they are they going to are are they going to hold up, I guess is my question?","topics_json":"[\"public_safety\"]","vector_id":"vec_seg_101944_17","created_at":"2026-10-31T08:06:28Z","speaker_name":"Andre M. Boggerty"},{"id":"seg_101944_170","meeting_id":"101944","media_asset_id":"med_101944_14427beca4965cc4","agenda_item_id":null,"speaker_id":"off_david_l_anderson","speaker_confidence":0.95,"start_sec":5325.06,"end_sec":5358.42,"text":"Thank you, Mr. Mr. Chairman. I One of the problems I'm glad that the state is finally uh taking the Kent County problems seriously, because uh one of the problems has been the money from the federal government for housing, for homelessness, and sheltering uh goes to the state of Delaware to distribute. And one of the problems is uh the state of Delaware has not been equitably distributing it based upon the served population of the homeless served.","topics_json":"[\"homelessness\",\"housing\",\"budget\"]","vector_id":"vec_seg_101944_170","created_at":"2026-10-31T08:06:29Z","speaker_name":"David L. Anderson"},{"id":"seg_101944_171","meeting_id":"101944","media_asset_id":"med_101944_14427beca4965cc4","agenda_item_id":null,"speaker_id":"off_david_l_anderson","speaker_confidence":0.95,"start_sec":5359.11,"end_sec":5398.44,"text":"And that's been a huge problem. For instance, uh they look at Dover and they say 5% of the population. And uh you get 5% of the money, but they don't recognize that we're serving the folks who lose their homes in Felton, the folks who lose their homes in Harrington, in Smyrna, and and even in Townsend, et cetera, and even parts of Maryland. And we literally have um we're we're literally serving people uh equal to around 20 to 23% of the state's homeless population.","topics_json":"[\"homelessness\",\"housing\",\"budget\"]","vector_id":"vec_seg_101944_171","created_at":"2026-10-31T08:06:29Z","speaker_name":"David L. Anderson"},{"id":"seg_101944_172","meeting_id":"101944","media_asset_id":"med_101944_14427beca4965cc4","agenda_item_id":null,"speaker_id":"off_david_l_anderson","speaker_confidence":0.95,"start_sec":5398.77,"end_sec":5422.29,"text":"So we should be getting at least We should be getting that much of the uh of the funding. And you know, it should be based upon the homeless population served. Um Just because most of the homeless people aren't actually from Dover doesn't mean we can ignore them, because they end up on our streets. So that's the um So I I think we definitely need to keep advocating, and I thank you, and I yield.","topics_json":"[\"homelessness\",\"housing\",\"budget\"]","vector_id":"vec_seg_101944_172","created_at":"2026-10-31T08:06:29Z","speaker_name":"David L. Anderson"},{"id":"seg_101944_173","meeting_id":"101944","media_asset_id":"med_101944_14427beca4965cc4","agenda_item_id":null,"speaker_id":"off_andre_m_boggerty","speaker_confidence":0.95,"start_sec":5423.25,"end_sec":5441.58,"text":"Thank you. If there be no more, I move for the adjournment of the Safety Advisory Transportation Committee. I turn it back over to you. There's no action comit- action. I want to thank my committee uh members uh members uh public for being here. Um I turn it back over to you, Council President.","topics_json":"[]","vector_id":"vec_seg_101944_173","created_at":"2026-10-31T08:06:29Z","speaker_name":"Andre M. 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Is there a motion for the adoption of the agenda?","topics_json":"[]","vector_id":"vec_seg_101944_175","created_at":"2026-10-31T08:06:29Z","speaker_name":"David L. Anderson"},{"id":"seg_101944_176","meeting_id":"101944","media_asset_id":"med_101944_14427beca4965cc4","agenda_item_id":null,"speaker_id":"off_tricia_k_arndt","speaker_confidence":0.95,"start_sec":5464.23,"end_sec":5465.37,"text":"Move to adopt the agenda.","topics_json":"[]","vector_id":"vec_seg_101944_176","created_at":"2026-10-31T08:06:29Z","speaker_name":"Tricia K. Arndt"},{"id":"seg_101944_177","meeting_id":"101944","media_asset_id":"med_101944_14427beca4965cc4","agenda_item_id":null,"speaker_id":"off_gerald_l_rocha_sr","speaker_confidence":0.95,"start_sec":5465.52,"end_sec":5466.48,"text":"Rocha seconds.","topics_json":"[]","vector_id":"vec_seg_101944_177","created_at":"2026-10-31T08:06:29Z","speaker_name":"Gerald L. Rocha, Sr."},{"id":"seg_101944_178","meeting_id":"101944","media_asset_id":"med_101944_14427beca4965cc4","agenda_item_id":null,"speaker_id":"off_david_l_anderson","speaker_confidence":0.95,"start_sec":5466.69,"end_sec":5474.94,"text":"Councilwoman Arndt has moved for the adoption of the agenda, seconded by Councilman Rocha. Is there discussion or amendment? Seeing none, uh all those in favor?","topics_json":"[]","vector_id":"vec_seg_101944_178","created_at":"2026-10-31T08:06:29Z","speaker_name":"David L. Anderson"},{"id":"seg_101944_179","meeting_id":"101944","media_asset_id":"med_101944_14427beca4965cc4","agenda_item_id":null,"speaker_id":"off_tricia_k_arndt","speaker_confidence":0.95,"start_sec":5476.44,"end_sec":5477.85,"text":"Aye.","topics_json":"[]","vector_id":"vec_seg_101944_179","created_at":"2026-10-31T08:06:29Z","speaker_name":"Tricia K. Arndt"},{"id":"seg_101944_18","meeting_id":"101944","media_asset_id":"med_101944_14427beca4965cc4","agenda_item_id":null,"speaker_id":"spk_101944_sharon_duca","speaker_confidence":0.95,"start_sec":601,"end_sec":631.5,"text":"Well, we can certainly get clarification on the uh road construction guidelines that they use to implement the Kenton Road improvements. Um but we do have certain truck routes through the city that we had discussed a number of years ago. Um so, I think it would probably be best if we're seeing a lot of uh 18-wheelers on Kenton Road and the like uh that we reach out to DelDOT uh and make verify what their plans are related to the project.","topics_json":"[\"public_safety\"]","vector_id":"vec_seg_101944_18","created_at":"2026-10-31T08:06:28Z","speaker_name":"Sharon Duca"},{"id":"seg_101944_180","meeting_id":"101944","media_asset_id":"med_101944_14427beca4965cc4","agenda_item_id":null,"speaker_id":"off_gerald_l_rocha_sr","speaker_confidence":0.95,"start_sec":5477.01,"end_sec":5478.12,"text":"Aye.","topics_json":"[]","vector_id":"vec_seg_101944_180","created_at":"2026-10-31T08:06:29Z","speaker_name":"Gerald L. Rocha, Sr."},{"id":"seg_101944_181","meeting_id":"101944","media_asset_id":"med_101944_14427beca4965cc4","agenda_item_id":null,"speaker_id":"off_david_l_anderson","speaker_confidence":0.95,"start_sec":5478.21,"end_sec":5484.15,"text":"Any opposed? Motion carried. Good.","topics_json":"[]","vector_id":"vec_seg_101944_181","created_at":"2026-10-31T08:06:29Z","speaker_name":"David L. Anderson"},{"id":"seg_101944_182","meeting_id":"101944","media_asset_id":"med_101944_14427beca4965cc4","agenda_item_id":null,"speaker_id":"off_david_l_anderson","speaker_confidence":0.95,"start_sec":5485.11,"end_sec":5503.56,"text":"All right. Welcome, uh Councilwoman Dr. Pillsbury, to uh to the meeting, who's joined us. And uh of course Councilwoman Hall's uh been there, as well. Um And uh let's get started.","topics_json":"[]","vector_id":"vec_seg_101944_182","created_at":"2026-10-31T08:06:29Z","speaker_name":"David L. Anderson"},{"id":"seg_101944_183","meeting_id":"101944","media_asset_id":"med_101944_14427beca4965cc4","agenda_item_id":null,"speaker_id":"off_david_l_anderson","speaker_confidence":0.95,"start_sec":5504.16,"end_sec":5557.89,"text":"Uh the first item on the agenda is discussion and report update on Capital Area Municipal Sustainability Act. And uh I'd like to uh uh City Manager Duca, if you would like to come forward, because you've gotten a lot of information. And uh of course, Dr. Sudler, it's his uh initiative, and we have his cosponsor uh Councilman Lewis, and so anytime you gentlemen uh wish to um add some things, uh please feel free. Uh We've been doing uh a lot of work on on this, and uh as Dr. Sudler knows, we've been uh doing a lot of research on it, and I want to thank uh Ms. Duca for and and not just you, of course [laughter] whole supporting staff, which you've done a a lot on on some very important issues. When There were I'll give a quick summary of of where we are, and then I'm going to turn it over to you to to re-summarize that, and, of course, Dr. Sudler.","topics_json":"[\"budget\",\"taxes\"]","vector_id":"vec_seg_101944_183","created_at":"2026-10-31T08:06:29Z","speaker_name":"David L. 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It will help us in our priority-based budgeting, it will help us in when we're uh looking at uh economic incentive and and those type of credits, um uh because we we need to grow, and we need to encourage growth, but we also need to make sure that we don't inadvertently encourage growth that negatively affects um other the people who are already here and the businesses that are already here.","topics_json":"[\"budget\",\"business\",\"taxes\"]","vector_id":"vec_seg_101944_189","created_at":"2026-10-31T08:06:29Z","speaker_name":"David L. Anderson"},{"id":"seg_101944_19","meeting_id":"101944","media_asset_id":"med_101944_14427beca4965cc4","agenda_item_id":null,"speaker_id":"off_andre_m_boggerty","speaker_confidence":0.95,"start_sec":631.6,"end_sec":720.5,"text":"Yeah. Because um that the uh what's the road by Willis Ford that takes you almost from for from Route 8 across into as if you were going to Schutte Park, that little stretch of road by Wawa? That sign is always torn down the through that traffic circle. So, I just wanted to make sure that the work that we're doing is is withstanding the uh to be able to withstand the increased traffic. We're grateful. That means if 18-wheelers are moving, that means our city is moving and things are moving and business is happening. But, um, you know, tear- we I just want to make sure we're we're we're not going to be tearing up those roads in the future um um just by the mere amount of traffic coming through them. Um so, any other questions? I think Councilman Anderson had a question.","topics_json":"[\"public_safety\",\"business\"]","vector_id":"vec_seg_101944_19","created_at":"2026-10-31T08:06:28Z","speaker_name":"Andre M. Boggerty"},{"id":"seg_101944_190","meeting_id":"101944","media_asset_id":"med_101944_14427beca4965cc4","agenda_item_id":null,"speaker_id":"off_david_l_anderson","speaker_confidence":0.95,"start_sec":5761.11,"end_sec":5774.91,"text":"So it has to As Dr. Sudler says, growth has to pay for growth. Um Now, that in that say um But But how can you do that without that? Yeah, and so, um that's something that we looked at.","topics_json":"[\"budget\",\"business\"]","vector_id":"vec_seg_101944_190","created_at":"2026-10-31T08:06:29Z","speaker_name":"David L. Anderson"},{"id":"seg_101944_191","meeting_id":"101944","media_asset_id":"med_101944_14427beca4965cc4","agenda_item_id":null,"speaker_id":"off_david_l_anderson","speaker_confidence":0.95,"start_sec":5775.3,"end_sec":5781.84,"text":"So, uh at this point, I'm going to yield to uh City Manager Duca.","topics_json":"[]","vector_id":"vec_seg_101944_191","created_at":"2026-10-31T08:06:29Z","speaker_name":"David L. Anderson"},{"id":"seg_101944_192","meeting_id":"101944","media_asset_id":"med_101944_14427beca4965cc4","agenda_item_id":null,"speaker_id":"spk_101944_sharon_duca","speaker_confidence":0.9,"start_sec":5787.42,"end_sec":5837.55,"text":"Thank you very much. Um City Manager Sharon Duca. Um As was mentioned, um we went through the CAMSA report. Um We've had various discussions with Dr. Sudler and certain other representatives, including Councilman Rocha, Councilman Anderson, um Representative Lynn. And um I know Dr. Sudler has probably talked to other people, as well, Senator Coons, without I wasn't at present at that one. Um But, uh trying to gain support, and uh one of the key things, I think,","topics_json":"[\"budget\",\"taxes\"]","vector_id":"vec_seg_101944_192","created_at":"2026-10-31T08:06:29Z","speaker_name":"Sharon Duca"},{"id":"seg_101944_193","meeting_id":"101944","media_asset_id":"med_101944_14427beca4965cc4","agenda_item_id":null,"speaker_id":"spk_101944_sharon_duca","speaker_confidence":0.9,"start_sec":5838.99,"end_sec":5881.44,"text":"particularly with me from an engineering perspective, is as uh Councilman Anderson mentioned, is we want to be able to substantiate the basis behind how we're coming up with the cost. And one of the things that was included in the CAMSA proposal was various relations between engineering calculations associated with the infrastructure uh and how that equates to uh buildings over 50,000 square foot um and the effects on the infrastructure overall. Um We started working on an RFP for that. 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Um One of the things that's you can't really differentiate is users exist","topics_json":"[\"taxes\",\"budget\"]","vector_id":"vec_seg_101944_194","created_at":"2026-10-31T08:06:29Z","speaker_name":"Sharon Duca"},{"id":"seg_101944_195","meeting_id":"101944","media_asset_id":"med_101944_14427beca4965cc4","agenda_item_id":null,"speaker_id":"spk_101944_sharon_duca","speaker_confidence":1,"start_sec":5898.34,"end_sec":5909.71,"text":"regardless of their tax status, um which is something that the utility rate studies do for electric service. 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Uh that data would be necessary in a study to be performed through the RFP.","topics_json":"[\"budget\"]","vector_id":"vec_seg_101944_197","created_at":"2026-10-31T08:06:29Z","speaker_name":"Sharon Duca"},{"id":"seg_101944_198","meeting_id":"101944","media_asset_id":"med_101944_14427beca4965cc4","agenda_item_id":null,"speaker_id":"spk_101944_sharon_duca","speaker_confidence":1,"start_sec":5939.34,"end_sec":5984.87,"text":"Um we're also it was recently brought up about uh looking at the infrastructures uh overall that would relate to data centers and uh large users uh in conjunction with this, and uh we are at the preliminary stages of trying to combine the two. Um we're also trying to assess the best way to focus the proposal uh in relationship to the type of consultant we would be looking for.","topics_json":"[\"business\",\"budget\"]","vector_id":"vec_seg_101944_198","created_at":"2026-10-31T08:06:29Z","speaker_name":"Sharon Duca"},{"id":"seg_101944_199","meeting_id":"101944","media_asset_id":"med_101944_14427beca4965cc4","agenda_item_id":null,"speaker_id":"spk_101944_sharon_duca","speaker_confidence":1,"start_sec":5984.87,"end_sec":6002.14,"text":"Um there's obviously um engineering firms that deal with the equations and uh relationships to infrastructure. Uh there's also um","topics_json":"[\"budget\"]","vector_id":"vec_seg_101944_199","created_at":"2026-10-31T08:06:29Z","speaker_name":"Sharon Duca"},{"id":"seg_101944_2","meeting_id":"101944","media_asset_id":"med_101944_14427beca4965cc4","agenda_item_id":null,"speaker_id":"off_tricia_k_arndt","speaker_confidence":0.85,"start_sec":21,"end_sec":22.3,"text":"Move to adopt the agenda.","topics_json":"[]","vector_id":"vec_seg_101944_2","created_at":"2026-10-31T08:06:28Z","speaker_name":"Tricia K. Arndt"},{"id":"seg_101944_20","meeting_id":"101944","media_asset_id":"med_101944_14427beca4965cc4","agenda_item_id":null,"speaker_id":"off_david_l_anderson","speaker_confidence":0.95,"start_sec":720.6,"end_sec":735.9,"text":"Uh thank you. Thank you very much, Chairman. I I think that the truck routes, I I hope that it is looked at because that's a uh that's the concern.","topics_json":"[\"public_safety\"]","vector_id":"vec_seg_101944_20","created_at":"2026-10-31T08:06:28Z","speaker_name":"David L. 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Uh so we're trying to get the RFP a little more focused and try to evaluate the best audience that we're going to be looking for.","topics_json":"[\"budget\"]","vector_id":"vec_seg_101944_200","created_at":"2026-10-31T08:06:29Z","speaker_name":"Sharon Duca"},{"id":"seg_101944_201","meeting_id":"101944","media_asset_id":"med_101944_14427beca4965cc4","agenda_item_id":null,"speaker_id":"spk_101944_sharon_duca","speaker_confidence":1,"start_sec":6046.66,"end_sec":6048.32,"text":"So that's kind of where we stand right now.","topics_json":"[]","vector_id":"vec_seg_101944_201","created_at":"2026-10-31T08:06:29Z","speaker_name":"Sharon Duca"},{"id":"seg_101944_202","meeting_id":"101944","media_asset_id":"med_101944_14427beca4965cc4","agenda_item_id":null,"speaker_id":"off_david_l_anderson","speaker_confidence":1,"start_sec":6051.41,"end_sec":6053.21,"text":"Dr. Sudler, and then Councilman Rocha.","topics_json":"[]","vector_id":"vec_seg_101944_202","created_at":"2026-10-31T08:06:29Z","speaker_name":"David L. Anderson"},{"id":"seg_101944_203","meeting_id":"101944","media_asset_id":"med_101944_14427beca4965cc4","agenda_item_id":null,"speaker_id":"off_roy_sudler_jr","speaker_confidence":1,"start_sec":6054.21,"end_sec":6076.23,"text":"Uh thank you for recognizing me, uh Chairman Anderson. So, um in other words, the the infrastructure proposal or the RFP for um an assessment of our overall infrastructure and the cost and what we're actually providing as a service, that could also be used for the the data center as well? That's, can you elaborate on that pretty much how, I mean I know, but for those who who um have not been involved in the in-depth and countless hours of conversations that we've had, um just if you could just elaborate on just a little bit more so so so they can understand that we have to do our our study anyway for the um data center to see whether or not our infrastructure can absorb something like that uh in conjunction with utilizing that portion or some of those portion of the total um assessment for CAMSA as well. So can you just just not too much, but just if I haven't if I haven't if I missed something, but I feel like I'm accurate.","topics_json":"[\"business\",\"budget\"]","vector_id":"vec_seg_101944_203","created_at":"2026-10-31T08:06:29Z","speaker_name":"Roy Sudler, Jr."},{"id":"seg_101944_204","meeting_id":"101944","media_asset_id":"med_101944_14427beca4965cc4","agenda_item_id":null,"speaker_id":"spk_101944_sharon_duca","speaker_confidence":1,"start_sec":6076.23,"end_sec":6076.44,"text":"Um","topics_json":"[]","vector_id":"vec_seg_101944_204","created_at":"2026-10-31T08:06:29Z","speaker_name":"Sharon Duca"},{"id":"seg_101944_205","meeting_id":"101944","media_asset_id":"med_101944_14427beca4965cc4","agenda_item_id":null,"speaker_id":"spk_101944_sharon_duca","speaker_confidence":1,"start_sec":6136.86,"end_sec":6203.54,"text":"Yeah, basically we're trying to uh find the the intertwining between the two concepts in terms of uh demand on our infrastructure. So we would be looking at each component of infrastructure that would include utilities that are directly related to large uh users as well as our street network, stormwater network, um which those large facilities could also impact depending on how they're used with, uh like it was brought up about truck traffic earlier, those can have effects on our infrastructure. Um and trying to make sure it's focused enough so that depending on which uh we want to make sure the questions in the scope are clear enough so that we get the correct answers to both questions.","topics_json":"[\"business\",\"budget\"]","vector_id":"vec_seg_101944_205","created_at":"2026-10-31T08:06:29Z","speaker_name":"Sharon Duca"},{"id":"seg_101944_206","meeting_id":"101944","media_asset_id":"med_101944_14427beca4965cc4","agenda_item_id":null,"speaker_id":"off_roy_sudler_jr","speaker_confidence":1,"start_sec":6203.83,"end_sec":6263.03,"text":"And and my final comment um is we did also discuss uh with our meeting with uh Utilities Chairman Councilman Rocha about our some vulnerabilities of of our infrastructure and and for example like pavers, you know, that we are responsible for some of these pavers uh such as near Grey Grey Fox and and um some on Loockerman Street uh and that we don't have the the money for the pavers. 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Can you speak just a little bit in regards to the vulnerabilities of our infrastructure for those who are listening?","topics_json":"[\"budget\"]","vector_id":"vec_seg_101944_206","created_at":"2026-10-31T08:06:29Z","speaker_name":"Roy Sudler, Jr."},{"id":"seg_101944_207","meeting_id":"101944","media_asset_id":"med_101944_14427beca4965cc4","agenda_item_id":null,"speaker_id":"spk_101944_sharon_duca","speaker_confidence":1,"start_sec":6263.53,"end_sec":6286.91,"text":"Um well I think all aspects of our infrastructure regardless of the component, uh street, stormwater, water, sewer, electric, um a lot of things come into play, some of it being age um that requires some addressing, things could be undersized uh for future development, uh which is one of the reasons why the work is being proposed and under design for Loockerman Street downtown in general.","topics_json":"[\"budget\"]","vector_id":"vec_seg_101944_207","created_at":"2026-10-31T08:06:29Z","speaker_name":"Sharon Duca"},{"id":"seg_101944_208","meeting_id":"101944","media_asset_id":"med_101944_14427beca4965cc4","agenda_item_id":null,"speaker_id":"spk_101944_sharon_duca","speaker_confidence":1,"start_sec":6287.27,"end_sec":6342.95,"text":"Um but some of the infrastructure also uh like with the pavers, sidewalks, curb, um those are things that um not only do we deal with those on our local streets, but there's many uh state roads that we are responsible for like on State Street and Loockerman Street. Um DelDOT takes care of the pavement from curb to curb, we're responsible for the storm drains and the brick network and curbs and concrete sidewalks. Um so there's a lot of aspects that we need to look at.","topics_json":"[\"budget\"]","vector_id":"vec_seg_101944_208","created_at":"2026-10-31T08:06:29Z","speaker_name":"Sharon Duca"},{"id":"seg_101944_209","meeting_id":"101944","media_asset_id":"med_101944_14427beca4965cc4","agenda_item_id":null,"speaker_id":"spk_101944_sharon_duca","speaker_confidence":1,"start_sec":6343.45,"end_sec":6369.49,"text":"Um I think even the questions that were brought up earlier during the transportation projects, excuse me, regarding was it designed to meet the needs of what's using it now? So that's something that I think meets the needs of both the data center um proposal as well as our general uh infrastructure and what we're trying to look at in relationship to how they're used and what needs to be done.","topics_json":"[\"business\"]","vector_id":"vec_seg_101944_209","created_at":"2026-10-31T08:06:29Z","speaker_name":"Sharon Duca"},{"id":"seg_101944_21","meeting_id":"101944","media_asset_id":"med_101944_14427beca4965cc4","agenda_item_id":null,"speaker_id":"off_david_l_anderson","speaker_confidence":0.95,"start_sec":736,"end_sec":747.9,"text":"Um, I have a uh a question about First of all, I wanted to say thank you all. It's uh I was reading through through that uh report, and I think it's very well done.","topics_json":"[]","vector_id":"vec_seg_101944_21","created_at":"2026-10-31T08:06:28Z","speaker_name":"David L. Anderson"},{"id":"seg_101944_210","meeting_id":"101944","media_asset_id":"med_101944_14427beca4965cc4","agenda_item_id":null,"speaker_id":"off_roy_sudler_jr","speaker_confidence":1,"start_sec":6371.14,"end_sec":6438.04,"text":"And in final, um Representative Lynn did uh unofficially um state that, you know, he would be able to pay for the infrastructure assessment uh in regards to um like the RFP uh for that study, the infrastructure study, he would be willing to help pay for it. I don't know if he can still the total cost. It sounded like he said the total cost, but I don't want to make a commitment on his behalf. We did have extensive discussion on that, but he did state that um in 2027 if he's reelected that he would be able to assist us in in getting our infrastructure proposal cost covered, so uh that would help absorb any of the costs that we may accrue um getting this uh assessment. I yield. Thank you, chair, for recognizing me.","topics_json":"[\"budget\"]","vector_id":"vec_seg_101944_210","created_at":"2026-10-31T08:06:29Z","speaker_name":"Roy Sudler, Jr."},{"id":"seg_101944_211","meeting_id":"101944","media_asset_id":"med_101944_14427beca4965cc4","agenda_item_id":null,"speaker_id":"off_david_l_anderson","speaker_confidence":1,"start_sec":6444.15,"end_sec":6446.1,"text":"Councilman Rocha, then uh Councilman Lewis.","topics_json":"[]","vector_id":"vec_seg_101944_211","created_at":"2026-10-31T08:06:29Z","speaker_name":"David L. Anderson"},{"id":"seg_101944_212","meeting_id":"101944","media_asset_id":"med_101944_14427beca4965cc4","agenda_item_id":null,"speaker_id":"off_gerald_l_rocha_sr","speaker_confidence":1,"start_sec":6446.45,"end_sec":6487.67,"text":"Uh thank you, Mr. Chairman. Um who's responsible for the pavers on The Green and around the state occupied buildings in in the downtown on The Green area?","topics_json":"[]","vector_id":"vec_seg_101944_212","created_at":"2026-10-31T08:06:29Z","speaker_name":"Gerald L. Rocha, Sr."},{"id":"seg_101944_213","meeting_id":"101944","media_asset_id":"med_101944_14427beca4965cc4","agenda_item_id":null,"speaker_id":"spk_101944_sharon_duca","speaker_confidence":1,"start_sec":6488.61,"end_sec":6492.49,"text":"Um just to clarify, you're referring to Legislative Mall in that area?","topics_json":"[]","vector_id":"vec_seg_101944_213","created_at":"2026-10-31T08:06:29Z","speaker_name":"Sharon Duca"},{"id":"seg_101944_214","meeting_id":"101944","media_asset_id":"med_101944_14427beca4965cc4","agenda_item_id":null,"speaker_id":"off_gerald_l_rocha_sr","speaker_confidence":1,"start_sec":6492.49,"end_sec":6493.5,"text":"Legislative Mall, correct.","topics_json":"[]","vector_id":"vec_seg_101944_214","created_at":"2026-10-31T08:06:29Z","speaker_name":"Gerald L. Rocha, Sr."},{"id":"seg_101944_215","meeting_id":"101944","media_asset_id":"med_101944_14427beca4965cc4","agenda_item_id":null,"speaker_id":"spk_101944_sharon_duca","speaker_confidence":1,"start_sec":6493.57,"end_sec":6551.33,"text":"Okay. Um the uh facilities uh through the state does a lot of effort down there, but they're they do ask for assistance from us on certain things. Um so it can also depend upon who's asking. DelDOT's usually pretty insistent that we need to take care of those things based upon the 1964 agreement and other agreements along those lines. Um so it kind of depends on exactly where it is and um what the extent of need is. Uh but the state's been dealing with a lot of with their renovations to buildings and that type of thing, they've been dealing with the brick areas.","topics_json":"[]","vector_id":"vec_seg_101944_215","created_at":"2026-10-31T08:06:29Z","speaker_name":"Sharon Duca"},{"id":"seg_101944_216","meeting_id":"101944","media_asset_id":"med_101944_14427beca4965cc4","agenda_item_id":null,"speaker_id":"off_gerald_l_rocha_sr","speaker_confidence":1,"start_sec":6551.76,"end_sec":6575.79,"text":"Okay, thank you. And then um as far as the uh CAMSA proposal and implementation, do you think we have a Are we at a point where we might know when it could be implemented? Do you think it'll be ready for fiscal year '28, or you know, how far out are we uh from implementation of of some sort if we get the study and are able to make a determination?","topics_json":"[\"budget\"]","vector_id":"vec_seg_101944_216","created_at":"2026-10-31T08:06:29Z","speaker_name":"Gerald L. Rocha, Sr."},{"id":"seg_101944_217","meeting_id":"101944","media_asset_id":"med_101944_14427beca4965cc4","agenda_item_id":null,"speaker_id":"spk_101944_sharon_duca","speaker_confidence":1,"start_sec":6576.15,"end_sec":6638.51,"text":"Well, I think one thing we need to remember particularly with engineering or uh financial related studies, uh they can take a decent amount of time, and we're in uh competition with other municipalities for their services in general. Um so overall, based upon uh dealing with um firms on much or much smaller scopes, you know, it can take a couple months alone just for that, and this is a fairly extensive study that would need to be done. So, uh just the timing for the consultant themselves to do the work, um you know, we could be up to 6 months on that alone.","topics_json":"[\"budget\"]","vector_id":"vec_seg_101944_217","created_at":"2026-10-31T08:06:29Z","speaker_name":"Sharon Duca"},{"id":"seg_101944_218","meeting_id":"101944","media_asset_id":"med_101944_14427beca4965cc4","agenda_item_id":null,"speaker_id":"off_gerald_l_rocha_sr","speaker_confidence":1,"start_sec":6639.73,"end_sec":6656.21,"text":"And then uh I know I missed the I think I missed one of the meetings when this was on the on the agenda before in reference to municipalities somewhere nationwide that might already be implementing. Did we Did we find out if there was anybody comparable to our city that uses this?","topics_json":"[\"taxes\",\"budget\"]","vector_id":"vec_seg_101944_218","created_at":"2026-10-31T08:06:29Z","speaker_name":"Gerald L. 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The there's trucks going up and down Acorn Lane, speaking of another uh road that's a that was never intended for that. It's just a little residential road. And and the more we we're successful we are uh if we particularly if we get the up to a billion dollars build-out at Garrison as these uh as the build-out starts occurring,","topics_json":"[\"business\",\"public_safety\"]","vector_id":"vec_seg_101944_22","created_at":"2026-10-31T08:06:28Z","speaker_name":"David L. Anderson"},{"id":"seg_101944_220","meeting_id":"101944","media_asset_id":"med_101944_14427beca4965cc4","agenda_item_id":null,"speaker_id":"off_gerald_l_rocha_sr","speaker_confidence":1,"start_sec":6658.22,"end_sec":6658.72,"text":"Granted.","topics_json":"[]","vector_id":"vec_seg_101944_220","created_at":"2026-10-31T08:06:29Z","speaker_name":"Gerald L. Rocha, Sr."},{"id":"seg_101944_221","meeting_id":"101944","media_asset_id":"med_101944_14427beca4965cc4","agenda_item_id":null,"speaker_id":"off_roy_sudler_jr","speaker_confidence":1,"start_sec":6658.72,"end_sec":6674.19,"text":"Thank you. Um not in regards to um the population size comparable to our city, but Seattle, Washington, um I could pull it up, but there's like four other municipalities, and I can get that to you, but it actually is in the proposal. Um it's in the proposal that I did a comparison analysis. Okay. Um but yeah.","topics_json":"[\"budget\"]","vector_id":"vec_seg_101944_221","created_at":"2026-10-31T08:06:29Z","speaker_name":"Roy Sudler, Jr."},{"id":"seg_101944_222","meeting_id":"101944","media_asset_id":"med_101944_14427beca4965cc4","agenda_item_id":null,"speaker_id":"off_gerald_l_rocha_sr","speaker_confidence":1,"start_sec":6674.55,"end_sec":6677.71,"text":"I so I think I saw that, but we hadn't found anything yet","topics_json":"[]","vector_id":"vec_seg_101944_222","created_at":"2026-10-31T08:06:29Z","speaker_name":"Gerald L. Rocha, Sr."},{"id":"seg_101944_223","meeting_id":"101944","media_asset_id":"med_101944_14427beca4965cc4","agenda_item_id":null,"speaker_id":"off_roy_sudler_jr","speaker_confidence":1,"start_sec":6677.71,"end_sec":6684.04,"text":"In regards to our our our population population is sort of unique. We're we're like we're not huge, but, you know, we're small so it's relatively","topics_json":"[]","vector_id":"vec_seg_101944_223","created_at":"2026-10-31T08:06:29Z","speaker_name":"Roy Sudler, Jr."},{"id":"seg_101944_224","meeting_id":"101944","media_asset_id":"med_101944_14427beca4965cc4","agenda_item_id":null,"speaker_id":"off_gerald_l_rocha_sr","speaker_confidence":1,"start_sec":6684.04,"end_sec":6686.06,"text":"And we have our own utilities and things of that nature, too.","topics_json":"[]","vector_id":"vec_seg_101944_224","created_at":"2026-10-31T08:06:29Z","speaker_name":"Gerald L. Rocha, Sr."},{"id":"seg_101944_225","meeting_id":"101944","media_asset_id":"med_101944_14427beca4965cc4","agenda_item_id":null,"speaker_id":"off_roy_sudler_jr","speaker_confidence":1,"start_sec":6686.06,"end_sec":6692.1,"text":"Oh, I didn't go I didn't go in depth like, you know, I sort of left that to the team, and that's what the engineer would what it says.","topics_json":"[]","vector_id":"vec_seg_101944_225","created_at":"2026-10-31T08:06:29Z","speaker_name":"Roy Sudler, Jr."},{"id":"seg_101944_226","meeting_id":"101944","media_asset_id":"med_101944_14427beca4965cc4","agenda_item_id":null,"speaker_id":"off_gerald_l_rocha_sr","speaker_confidence":1,"start_sec":6692.17,"end_sec":6697.78,"text":"Okay. All right, thanks. Thank you. Thank you, Ms. Duca. I I yield at this time.","topics_json":"[]","vector_id":"vec_seg_101944_226","created_at":"2026-10-31T08:06:29Z","speaker_name":"Gerald L. Rocha, Sr."},{"id":"seg_101944_227","meeting_id":"101944","media_asset_id":"med_101944_14427beca4965cc4","agenda_item_id":null,"speaker_id":"off_roy_sudler_jr","speaker_confidence":0.95,"start_sec":6693.25,"end_sec":6696.2,"text":"I wish I could have the time to do that. That's all right. My apologies, but I yield.","topics_json":"[]","vector_id":"vec_seg_101944_227","created_at":"2026-10-31T08:06:29Z","speaker_name":"Roy Sudler, Jr."},{"id":"seg_101944_228","meeting_id":"101944","media_asset_id":"med_101944_14427beca4965cc4","agenda_item_id":null,"speaker_id":"off_david_l_anderson","speaker_confidence":1,"start_sec":6699.01,"end_sec":6722.24,"text":"And I would add that that um I can't see this it at all. It's a lot of moving parts and we actually uh get possible numbers, we're going to have to invite the stakeholders to the table, and there's going to have to be a a discussion or else if you think the uh the sprinkler uh debate came is something, wait until you try uh um, you know, something uh this different because uh you know, it So it there's going to have to be a a whole community discussion to uh is where, but um, but anyway, uh Councilman Lewis.","topics_json":"[\"taxes\",\"budget\"]","vector_id":"vec_seg_101944_228","created_at":"2026-10-31T08:06:29Z","speaker_name":"David L. Anderson"},{"id":"seg_101944_229","meeting_id":"101944","media_asset_id":"med_101944_14427beca4965cc4","agenda_item_id":null,"speaker_id":"off_brian_e_lewis","speaker_confidence":1,"start_sec":6722.67,"end_sec":6765.69,"text":"Yes, um I was going through the legal opinion with a fine-tooth comb, Ms. Duca, uh which I'm sure you did also, and um the last paragraph uh before the conclusion, uh it starts with a particular vulnerability on this test. Um if you go a couple sentences down, it says, \"strain that the affected properties place on other areas of the city's infrastructure.\" Did you provide that to our city solicitor, that information, or","topics_json":"[\"budget\"]","vector_id":"vec_seg_101944_229","created_at":"2026-10-31T08:06:29Z","speaker_name":"Brian E. Lewis"},{"id":"seg_101944_23","meeting_id":"101944","media_asset_id":"med_101944_14427beca4965cc4","agenda_item_id":null,"speaker_id":"off_david_l_anderson","speaker_confidence":0.95,"start_sec":832.6,"end_sec":951.5,"text":"uh the more successful we are, the more traffic. And, quite frankly, uh you know, there's driveways that that just coming out uh in a lot of it onto that road. I mean, it it's it was never intended for that, and it's not designed. Um and that's uh faster they they get this happening, the better it is, because it's a it's a real safety issue. We've we've seen it. Every- I think we've all seen it, and we've even had people um come here and uh and testify to it. Their concerns and their concerns are are legitimate. And and that that just may be uh another way to spark it because that that's not uh you know, it it's something that's uh theoretical, it's a very real daily concern. And right now, it it has to be that way, but uh that bypass is desperately needed. Thank you for all the work that that the you all are doing, the whole team is doing on this. I yield, Mr. Chairman.","topics_json":"[\"public_safety\",\"business\"]","vector_id":"vec_seg_101944_23","created_at":"2026-10-31T08:06:28Z","speaker_name":"David L. Anderson"},{"id":"seg_101944_230","meeting_id":"101944","media_asset_id":"med_101944_14427beca4965cc4","agenda_item_id":null,"speaker_id":"spk_101944_sharon_duca","speaker_confidence":1,"start_sec":6766.19,"end_sec":6769.57,"text":"Uh regarding whether there's studies or not? No, I didn't provide him that.","topics_json":"[]","vector_id":"vec_seg_101944_230","created_at":"2026-10-31T08:06:29Z","speaker_name":"Sharon Duca"},{"id":"seg_101944_231","meeting_id":"101944","media_asset_id":"med_101944_14427beca4965cc4","agenda_item_id":null,"speaker_id":"off_brian_e_lewis","speaker_confidence":1,"start_sec":6769.79,"end_sec":6785.75,"text":"Okay. So that wasn't provided to him, so that's basically I guess what his synopsis is, because it wasn't provided, he's basically saying that um, \"I'm not sure if there are studies that support this,\" so he's basically I guess taking a position um because there aren't, he's not in favor?","topics_json":"[\"budget\"]","vector_id":"vec_seg_101944_231","created_at":"2026-10-31T08:06:29Z","speaker_name":"Brian E. Lewis"},{"id":"seg_101944_232","meeting_id":"101944","media_asset_id":"med_101944_14427beca4965cc4","agenda_item_id":null,"speaker_id":"spk_101944_sharon_duca","speaker_confidence":1,"start_sec":6786.19,"end_sec":6812.08,"text":"Well, when I did talk to him after the fact, uh I know his his biggest concern as you referenced in here was about uh tax-exempt parcels only, because um and I think that maybe part of what he's referring to here is about users of a system should all be paying towards that service. Um we just don't have uh specific studies at this point, which is why we would need to uh get one done.","topics_json":"[\"taxes\",\"budget\"]","vector_id":"vec_seg_101944_232","created_at":"2026-10-31T08:06:29Z","speaker_name":"Sharon Duca"},{"id":"seg_101944_233","meeting_id":"101944","media_asset_id":"med_101944_14427beca4965cc4","agenda_item_id":null,"speaker_id":"off_brian_e_lewis","speaker_confidence":1,"start_sec":6812.8,"end_sec":6817.91,"text":"Oh, understood. So you didn't provide any like uh examples from your perspective?","topics_json":"[]","vector_id":"vec_seg_101944_233","created_at":"2026-10-31T08:06:29Z","speaker_name":"Brian E. Lewis"},{"id":"seg_101944_234","meeting_id":"101944","media_asset_id":"med_101944_14427beca4965cc4","agenda_item_id":null,"speaker_id":"spk_101944_sharon_duca","speaker_confidence":1,"start_sec":6815.75,"end_sec":6816.47,"text":"No.","topics_json":"[]","vector_id":"vec_seg_101944_234","created_at":"2026-10-31T08:06:29Z","speaker_name":"Sharon Duca"},{"id":"seg_101944_235","meeting_id":"101944","media_asset_id":"med_101944_14427beca4965cc4","agenda_item_id":null,"speaker_id":"off_brian_e_lewis","speaker_confidence":1,"start_sec":6816.54,"end_sec":6861.86,"text":"Okay, that that's what I was kind of getting at. Um I I mean, you know, um I think one of the problems that we're probably going to face in the future is uh we have to get like Councilman Anderson said, all stakeholders involved, and particularly um our state legislature. Um but in hindsight, you know, we we can't go on um because we have a revenue problem right now as you're aware in the city, so we can't go on in, you know, status quo, so um I think, you know, this is definitely a start and a good proposal to move things forward. Um it's not going to be a quick fix um because we have to again get all the stakeholders involved and uh we also uh have to uh at first implement the study. So um I guess at this juncture just just move forward on your end. That's all I have.","topics_json":"[\"taxes\",\"budget\"]","vector_id":"vec_seg_101944_235","created_at":"2026-10-31T08:06:29Z","speaker_name":"Brian E. Lewis"},{"id":"seg_101944_236","meeting_id":"101944","media_asset_id":"med_101944_14427beca4965cc4","agenda_item_id":null,"speaker_id":"off_david_l_anderson","speaker_confidence":1,"start_sec":6862.5,"end_sec":6863.37,"text":"Council President Neil.","topics_json":"[]","vector_id":"vec_seg_101944_236","created_at":"2026-10-31T08:06:29Z","speaker_name":"David L. Anderson"},{"id":"seg_101944_237","meeting_id":"101944","media_asset_id":"med_101944_14427beca4965cc4","agenda_item_id":null,"speaker_id":"off_fred_a_neil","speaker_confidence":1,"start_sec":6863.73,"end_sec":6911.35,"text":"Thank you, Mr. Chairman. Uh CAMSA is like a cat with nine lives. It clearly establishes that with 45% of Dover properties not taxable, the burden on our taxpayers is heavier than other municipalities for all the services we provide. The presentation itself has the flash and dash that would cost a fortune to produce if it was not produced by our own Councilman Roy Sudler. I thought that after the analysis provided by a city solicitor Dan Griffith, CAMSA was being shelved by its sponsors.","topics_json":"[\"taxes\",\"budget\"]","vector_id":"vec_seg_101944_237","created_at":"2026-10-31T08:06:29Z","speaker_name":"Fred A. Neil"},{"id":"seg_101944_238","meeting_id":"101944","media_asset_id":"med_101944_14427beca4965cc4","agenda_item_id":null,"speaker_id":"off_fred_a_neil","speaker_confidence":1,"start_sec":6911.99,"end_sec":6959.25,"text":"I requested the clerk's office to provide you with copy of Dan's report, and the old news man in me gives me the feeling that this resurrection at this time seems to have a political overtone because it's valuable to a supporting candidate whether it passes or fails. I will apologize in advance if I've offended anyone. Of course the capital city of Dover, Delaware has an excessive burden that the pilot programs including the one from the state doesn't fully cover. Certainly the non-taxable properties do not cover their fair share even with the fees for usage.","topics_json":"[\"taxes\",\"budget\"]","vector_id":"vec_seg_101944_238","created_at":"2026-10-31T08:06:29Z","speaker_name":"Fred A. Neil"},{"id":"seg_101944_239","meeting_id":"101944","media_asset_id":"med_101944_14427beca4965cc4","agenda_item_id":null,"speaker_id":"off_fred_a_neil","speaker_confidence":1,"start_sec":6959.32,"end_sec":7009.75,"text":"Knowingly tossing this to the state legislature for approval of a charter change is flies in the face of reason. The attacks on this fire sprinklers in new housing units and the safety intersection proposal will be tiny to the attacks on the city faces when state the state, colleges, medical facilities, Kent County, federal government, and HUD listed on pages 17 through 20 fight back. That fight will be directed to us and directly to every state legislature. Even the suggested grants, the means of paying the fees for institutions can be offset by the cost, are cringeworthy under the current POTUS and his administration.","topics_json":"[\"taxes\",\"budget\",\"housing\"]","vector_id":"vec_seg_101944_239","created_at":"2026-10-31T08:06:29Z","speaker_name":"Fred A. Neil"},{"id":"seg_101944_24","meeting_id":"101944","media_asset_id":"med_101944_14427beca4965cc4","agenda_item_id":null,"speaker_id":"off_andre_m_boggerty","speaker_confidence":0.95,"start_sec":951.6,"end_sec":953.9,"text":"Thank you. The chair recognizes Councilman Lewis.","topics_json":"[]","vector_id":"vec_seg_101944_24","created_at":"2026-10-31T08:06:28Z","speaker_name":"Andre M. Boggerty"},{"id":"seg_101944_240","meeting_id":"101944","media_asset_id":"med_101944_14427beca4965cc4","agenda_item_id":null,"speaker_id":"off_fred_a_neil","speaker_confidence":1,"start_sec":6966.88,"end_sec":6988.1,"text":"Will a complaint uh that CAMSA will cause uh uh uh CAMSA will cause healthcare costs to increase, tuition to rise? I don't know.","topics_json":"[\"budget\"]","vector_id":"vec_seg_101944_240","created_at":"2026-10-31T08:06:29Z","speaker_name":"Fred A. Neil"},{"id":"seg_101944_241","meeting_id":"101944","media_asset_id":"med_101944_14427beca4965cc4","agenda_item_id":null,"speaker_id":"off_fred_a_neil","speaker_confidence":1,"start_sec":6988.46,"end_sec":7029.1,"text":"Even the work that has been required from staff to support CAMSA with actual dimensions of buildings and to be required to determine what fees will be uh uh be taking away staff from things that can be better used for other tasks, and we heard tonight about the RFP and the possibility of having it uh work uh sent out and it still be uh their their their problem uh nothing to compare when they're requested to defend CAMSA conclusions when legally challenged. For the record, here is the conclusion of the counselor's the solicitor's legal report. Conclusion, quote:","topics_json":"[\"budget\"]","vector_id":"vec_seg_101944_241","created_at":"2026-10-31T08:06:29Z","speaker_name":"Fred A. Neil"},{"id":"seg_101944_242","meeting_id":"101944","media_asset_id":"med_101944_14427beca4965cc4","agenda_item_id":null,"speaker_id":"off_fred_a_neil","speaker_confidence":1,"start_sec":7030.18,"end_sec":7062.54,"text":"\"CAMSA represents a regulatory fee spre- framework with meaningful fee-like attributes, including non-ad valorem metrics, explicit earmarks, segregation, and articulated service nexus. Nevertheless, there are certain vulnerabilities to the proposal. By the way of example, since the impacted properties already pay their fair share of infrastructures related to electric, water, and sanitary sewer, in the absence of data connecting the fees directly to the burden placed on the city by the remaining infrastructure services by these properties may lead the conclusion that CAMSA lacks the proportional and nexus factors that a court would apply.","topics_json":"[\"budget\"]","vector_id":"vec_seg_101944_242","created_at":"2026-10-31T08:06:29Z","speaker_name":"Fred A. Neil"},{"id":"seg_101944_243","meeting_id":"101944","media_asset_id":"med_101944_14427beca4965cc4","agenda_item_id":null,"speaker_id":"off_fred_a_neil","speaker_confidence":1,"start_sec":7062.98,"end_sec":7078.01,"text":"This legal opinion is based on the information available today. We reserve the right to supplement or amend this legal opinion as more information becomes available. Very truly yours, Daniel A. Griffith.\" And that's end quote. What his conclusion implies is we'll face legally fees with no guarantee that we can win. To my under-","topics_json":"[\"budget\"]","vector_id":"vec_seg_101944_243","created_at":"2026-10-31T08:06:29Z","speaker_name":"Fred A. Neil"},{"id":"seg_101944_244","meeting_id":"101944","media_asset_id":"med_101944_14427beca4965cc4","agenda_item_id":null,"speaker_id":"off_fred_a_neil","speaker_confidence":0.95,"start_sec":7078.01,"end_sec":7131.08,"text":"standing staff has been asked even though the council has not agreed to support CAMPSA, I think it should be prudent to treat CAMPSA as we do other proposals and vote as a council to refer it to staff or not in this case. I think we need to wait until after the November election, elections, to discuss this with legislators representing Dover as to their thoughts as to whether a charter change needed for CAMPSA or if it has a chance of passage and that will take the city politics out of the equation. I move to hold the strategy session on CAMPSA with members of the General Assembly representing Dover before the staff resumes the requested research. The reason for it, because of the financial situation that we are basically uh facing at this time. And that is a motion.","topics_json":"[\"budget\",\"taxes\"]","vector_id":"vec_seg_101944_244","created_at":"2026-10-31T08:06:29Z","speaker_name":"Fred A. Neil"},{"id":"seg_101944_245","meeting_id":"101944","media_asset_id":"med_101944_14427beca4965cc4","agenda_item_id":null,"speaker_id":"off_gerald_l_rocha_sr","speaker_confidence":0.9,"start_sec":7131.65,"end_sec":7134.46,"text":"Is there a second to the motion?","topics_json":"[]","vector_id":"vec_seg_101944_245","created_at":"2026-10-31T08:06:29Z","speaker_name":"Gerald L. Rocha, Sr."},{"id":"seg_101944_246","meeting_id":"101944","media_asset_id":"med_101944_14427beca4965cc4","agenda_item_id":null,"speaker_id":"off_tricia_k_arndt","speaker_confidence":0.95,"start_sec":7134.85,"end_sec":7137.99,"text":"I'll I'll second, but I do have discussion.","topics_json":"[]","vector_id":"vec_seg_101944_246","created_at":"2026-10-31T08:06:29Z","speaker_name":"Tricia K. Arndt"},{"id":"seg_101944_247","meeting_id":"101944","media_asset_id":"med_101944_14427beca4965cc4","agenda_item_id":null,"speaker_id":"off_gerald_l_rocha_sr","speaker_confidence":0.9,"start_sec":7138.16,"end_sec":7194.9,"text":"Motion's been made and seconded. Uh uh and uh the motion is, uh just going to repeat it to make sure we've got it, have it right, and that is that the the motion is that the the CAM- that we...","topics_json":"[]","vector_id":"vec_seg_101944_247","created_at":"2026-10-31T08:06:29Z","speaker_name":"Gerald L. Rocha, Sr."},{"id":"seg_101944_248","meeting_id":"101944","media_asset_id":"med_101944_14427beca4965cc4","agenda_item_id":null,"speaker_id":"off_fred_a_neil","speaker_confidence":0.95,"start_sec":7194.93,"end_sec":7203.44,"text":"...meet with the members of the General Assembly representing Dover before staff resumes uh any requested research. It does not stop a thing.","topics_json":"[]","vector_id":"vec_seg_101944_248","created_at":"2026-10-31T08:06:29Z","speaker_name":"Fred A. Neil"},{"id":"seg_101944_249","meeting_id":"101944","media_asset_id":"med_101944_14427beca4965cc4","agenda_item_id":null,"speaker_id":"off_gerald_l_rocha_sr","speaker_confidence":0.9,"start_sec":7203.8,"end_sec":7208.83,"text":"All right. All right, thank you. And it's been seconded by Councilwoman Arndt.","topics_json":"[]","vector_id":"vec_seg_101944_249","created_at":"2026-10-31T08:06:29Z","speaker_name":"Gerald L. Rocha, Sr."},{"id":"seg_101944_25","meeting_id":"101944","media_asset_id":"med_101944_14427beca4965cc4","agenda_item_id":null,"speaker_id":"off_brian_e_lewis","speaker_confidence":0.95,"start_sec":954,"end_sec":1026.5,"text":"Ms. Duca, um one of the concerns in my district, the second district, that has been fermenting for many years now is South Little Creek Road. Um with trucks coming through, um it's become a safety issue, because a lot of trucks are, I guess, coming off um Route 1, they're bypassing North Little Creek Road, they're going in the back there, making a right, they're coming down South Little Creek to get to 13 or across the city. And you have the East Dover Elementary School there. Morning, uh they have an odd situation where um they have the parents park right on the side of South Little Creek Road. I wait, I guess waiting to go in to drop their kid off through the circle.","topics_json":"[\"public_safety\"]","vector_id":"vec_seg_101944_25","created_at":"2026-10-31T08:06:28Z","speaker_name":"Brian E. Lewis"},{"id":"seg_101944_250","meeting_id":"101944","media_asset_id":"med_101944_14427beca4965cc4","agenda_item_id":null,"speaker_id":"off_tricia_k_arndt","speaker_confidence":0.95,"start_sec":7209.03,"end_sec":7502.31,"text":"Thank you for recognizing me. So I I didn't write an essay, so this is going to be disjointed, and I'm just throwing some thoughts out there. Um I wanted to hear how the proposal had changed um after reading the the legal opinion. I do agree that I think it's it's premature to look to an RFP to start quantifying those impacts. The legal opinion laid out multiple issues, and and one was just just the the nexus and proportionality piece of it, which would be addressed through this analysis of of what the impacts would be from certain types of tax-exempt properties. So the issue was that you couldn't just say of a certain square footage would equal this cost um to the city. You had to look at the the use and get more specific um so that what the property was paying for was was what they were actually impacting the city, the cost of the city. So I think the RFP looking at that would would get to a more specific cost, which might address that issue. Although I do wonder if, like before we even before we even get to that, the other legal concerns would have to be addressed: um whether or not we have the authority to do it's a tax on tax-exempt properties, there's those issues are are outlined in the solicitor's letter. Um whether needing a charter change and then having legislators supportive of that, I think that would certainly be a a first step to see if we can move it forward. And then I was thinking if this were ultimately to be successful, and we were able to to implement and then get revenue from these tax-exempt properties, then all municipalities within the state would also pursue the same avenue to do the same, and so nonprofits throughout the state would be subject to fees wherever they're located. And the burden that would put on those nonprofits that are providing services, uh not only here in Dover, but but statewide. So those are just some of my thoughts and concerns related to the proposal. Um I think there's more work that would need to be done, and I think having that conversation with the legislators to determine if they would even support a charter change, and my gut feeling is that they would not um based on those reasons and the impact to the nonprofits, and to state properties. Of course, let's not forget that. Um it's almost as if they would be voting against their own um self-interest. Um so anyway, those are my thoughts. I yield.","topics_json":"[\"taxes\",\"budget\"]","vector_id":"vec_seg_101944_250","created_at":"2026-10-31T08:06:29Z","speaker_name":"Tricia K. Arndt"},{"id":"seg_101944_251","meeting_id":"101944","media_asset_id":"med_101944_14427beca4965cc4","agenda_item_id":null,"speaker_id":"off_gerald_l_rocha_sr","speaker_confidence":0.9,"start_sec":7503.44,"end_sec":7520.76,"text":"Thank you. Um any I'll I'll get right over to you, Dr. Sudler. Just wanted to check in with our online members to see if they had anything. Comments? I don't see any. Dr. Sudler?","topics_json":"[]","vector_id":"vec_seg_101944_251","created_at":"2026-10-31T08:06:29Z","speaker_name":"Gerald L. Rocha, Sr."},{"id":"seg_101944_252","meeting_id":"101944","media_asset_id":"med_101944_14427beca4965cc4","agenda_item_id":null,"speaker_id":"off_roy_sudler_jr","speaker_confidence":0.95,"start_sec":7521.29,"end_sec":7712.34,"text":"Uh thanks for recognizing me, and thank you uh Councilwoman Arndt for your feedback and and your thoughts. Um you know, CAMPSA and how we get to the actual uh cost uh would be a technical engineering uh mathematical um process. And that's why we would need RFP for the engineer to do a total assessment of our infrastructure costs, which not only benefits CAMPSA, but it also benefits the data center. So you're going to have to do uh a infrastructure assessment, period, for the data center, which I do believe that we had sort of mentioned in our previous meeting uh when we talked about the 18-month moratorium. We talked about getting um information how it would uh impact our our infrastructure and how our constituents would absorb the cost. Um and we took the actual tax-exempt out of the equation and moved it to all um entities, and this is not a um this is not a tax. This is an infrastructure fee very similar to our public safety fee. So it's it's not a tax. A lot of people, you know, think, \"Oh, it's a disguised tax.\" No, it's not a disguised tax because it's only viewed, and it's and this case law, it's in the packet, um case law has demonstrated that it's only viewed as a disguised tax if you take the money that's supposed to be for an infrastructure fee, and you put it in a general funds, and you use it outside the restricted um infrastructure um guidelines. So that's when it becomes like uh a tax. You know, people perceive it as a tax, a disguised tax. But this is like an infrastructure fee, uh which is very similar to the public safety fee. Uh with the public safety fee, we didn't have to have a charter change, we had the home rule. Uh we have our own governance. If we can validate that the the cost of the infrastructure, uh the ongoing regulatory cost is justifiable, and we're putting it into an account specifically to to address our needs and our demands for infrastructure, then it's untouchable. And there's case law, not only in the packet, but there's other case law outside of the packet I've provided. And and I showed both, the pros and the cons. If you don't use the money specifically for uh restricted infrastructure fee, then you will be dinged, and it will be looked and, you know, there's Supreme Court, there's rulings on that right now. Um but New Castle is New Castle is doing it right now. Um also uh Seattle, Washington is doing it right now with the gross square footage. And all this is all this is inside the packet. Um so and when I spoke with the the solicitor yesterday, and I expressed to him, I said, \"I understand that there's concerns, uh legality concerns. However, there are case laws that sustains, that substantiates that what we want to do or what CAMPSA is proposing uh is legal as long as you don't go outside the scope of the restrictions.\" Which is: if you get money, whatever money you get, you don't put it in the general fund, you don't use it for anything other than what it's supposed to be. It's in like a lockbox account specifically for infrastructure. Um so that that's what addresses that matter. Um this is not by far um ready to be implemented tomorrow, and I do agree with that. This isn't this is uh this is to stimulate the discussion, to generate um some feedback, and we, like you say, we need more of the stakeholders, and I think we have some stakeholders here tonight. Um but it is our duty to, uh actually it's policy number one in our budget, to find and develop diversified ways of generating income for the city of Dover, the capital. And and right now um our biggest concern, like, is is infrastructure, you know? And how are we going to pay for infrastructure? We can't continue to allow our constituents um to absorb the cost for mega footprint institutions who are growing, growing, growing, uh...","topics_json":"[\"taxes\",\"budget\",\"public_safety\"]","vector_id":"vec_seg_101944_252","created_at":"2026-10-31T08:06:29Z","speaker_name":"Roy Sudler, Jr."},{"id":"seg_101944_253","meeting_id":"101944","media_asset_id":"med_101944_14427beca4965cc4","agenda_item_id":null,"speaker_id":"off_gerald_l_rocha_sr","speaker_confidence":0.9,"start_sec":7712.62,"end_sec":7715.72,"text":"Can I um uh interrupt for just a moment, sir?","topics_json":"[]","vector_id":"vec_seg_101944_253","created_at":"2026-10-31T08:06:29Z","speaker_name":"Gerald L. Rocha, Sr."},{"id":"seg_101944_254","meeting_id":"101944","media_asset_id":"med_101944_14427beca4965cc4","agenda_item_id":null,"speaker_id":"off_roy_sudler_jr","speaker_confidence":0.95,"start_sec":7716.21,"end_sec":7717.12,"text":"Yes.","topics_json":"[]","vector_id":"vec_seg_101944_254","created_at":"2026-10-31T08:06:29Z","speaker_name":"Roy Sudler, Jr."},{"id":"seg_101944_255","meeting_id":"101944","media_asset_id":"med_101944_14427beca4965cc4","agenda_item_id":null,"speaker_id":"off_gerald_l_rocha_sr","speaker_confidence":0.9,"start_sec":7717.14,"end_sec":7723.01,"text":"Dick, if you want to have a seat while we discuss, uh please. Uh please continue, sir.","topics_json":"[]","vector_id":"vec_seg_101944_255","created_at":"2026-10-31T08:06:29Z","speaker_name":"Gerald L. Rocha, Sr."},{"id":"seg_101944_256","meeting_id":"101944","media_asset_id":"med_101944_14427beca4965cc4","agenda_item_id":null,"speaker_id":"off_roy_sudler_jr","speaker_confidence":0.95,"start_sec":7724.07,"end_sec":7729.16,"text":"Um, you know, so, yeah, that might be, yeah.","topics_json":"[]","vector_id":"vec_seg_101944_256","created_at":"2026-10-31T08:06:29Z","speaker_name":"Roy Sudler, Jr."},{"id":"seg_101944_257","meeting_id":"101944","media_asset_id":"med_101944_14427beca4965cc4","agenda_item_id":null,"speaker_id":"off_roy_sudler_jr","speaker_confidence":0.95,"start_sec":7732.13,"end_sec":7779.38,"text":"So, um you know, it's it's it's as long as we as long as we use it what the purpose is and and within the guidelines, then we're we won't be in legal harm's way. It's a it's a source of revenue, and the city of Dover is growing, and we cannot, our taxpayers cannot, our constituents cannot afford to keep going up utility and tax hikes because, you know, we have responsibilities for infrastructure. So I have more to say, but I will I will yield.","topics_json":"[\"taxes\",\"budget\"]","vector_id":"vec_seg_101944_257","created_at":"2026-10-31T08:06:29Z","speaker_name":"Roy Sudler, Jr."},{"id":"seg_101944_258","meeting_id":"101944","media_asset_id":"med_101944_14427beca4965cc4","agenda_item_id":null,"speaker_id":"off_gerald_l_rocha_sr","speaker_confidence":0.9,"start_sec":7781.63,"end_sec":7785.04,"text":"Any member uh Uh yes, uh Mrs. Arndt.","topics_json":"[]","vector_id":"vec_seg_101944_258","created_at":"2026-10-31T08:06:29Z","speaker_name":"Gerald L. Rocha, Sr."},{"id":"seg_101944_259","meeting_id":"101944","media_asset_id":"med_101944_14427beca4965cc4","agenda_item_id":null,"speaker_id":"off_tricia_k_arndt","speaker_confidence":0.95,"start_sec":7785.41,"end_sec":7809.82,"text":"Thank you. So just to to follow up on that. Um so one of the the pieces within your proposal I thought was providing money back to um constituents on their electric bill. So that to me does not seem like that would be a permissible way to use the funds based on the solicitor's opinion.","topics_json":"[\"taxes\",\"budget\"]","vector_id":"vec_seg_101944_259","created_at":"2026-10-31T08:06:29Z","speaker_name":"Tricia K. Arndt"},{"id":"seg_101944_26","meeting_id":"101944","media_asset_id":"med_101944_14427beca4965cc4","agenda_item_id":null,"speaker_id":"off_brian_e_lewis","speaker_confidence":0.95,"start_sec":1026.6,"end_sec":1067.5,"text":"So, it narrows the road with the parents being parked there to drop their kids off. Then you have these big tractor-trailers coming down South Little Creek Road. And this is again something that has been complained to me repeatedly by my constituents over there. Uh with this initiative, um what's being done, or is there anything that can be done?","topics_json":"[\"public_safety\"]","vector_id":"vec_seg_101944_26","created_at":"2026-10-31T08:06:28Z","speaker_name":"Brian E. Lewis"},{"id":"seg_101944_260","meeting_id":"101944","media_asset_id":"med_101944_14427beca4965cc4","agenda_item_id":null,"speaker_id":"off_roy_sudler_jr","speaker_confidence":0.95,"start_sec":7810.18,"end_sec":7811.92,"text":"Can I speak to that?","topics_json":"[]","vector_id":"vec_seg_101944_260","created_at":"2026-10-31T08:06:29Z","speaker_name":"Roy Sudler, Jr."},{"id":"seg_101944_261","meeting_id":"101944","media_asset_id":"med_101944_14427beca4965cc4","agenda_item_id":null,"speaker_id":"off_roy_sudler_jr","speaker_confidence":0.95,"start_sec":7812.21,"end_sec":7845.15,"text":"Okay. Thank you. And thank you for bringing that up. So actually it wouldn't be like actually giving the individual money back. What it would do is when we have an increase or surplus, that means we don't have to keep going up, that saves them money each year. So in other words, we're not going to physically reallocate and give them money, it's going to indirectly save them money, which is going to give them money back in their pocket. We're not going to cut them a check, but the fact that we don't have to go up and take any more hikes is going to save them money. Yes.","topics_json":"[\"taxes\",\"budget\"]","vector_id":"vec_seg_101944_261","created_at":"2026-10-31T08:06:29Z","speaker_name":"Roy Sudler, Jr."},{"id":"seg_101944_262","meeting_id":"101944","media_asset_id":"med_101944_14427beca4965cc4","agenda_item_id":null,"speaker_id":"off_roy_sudler_jr","speaker_confidence":0.95,"start_sec":7849.87,"end_sec":7851.83,"text":"Thank you again, I appreciate that.","topics_json":"[]","vector_id":"vec_seg_101944_262","created_at":"2026-10-31T08:06:29Z","speaker_name":"Roy Sudler, Jr."},{"id":"seg_101944_263","meeting_id":"101944","media_asset_id":"med_101944_14427beca4965cc4","agenda_item_id":null,"speaker_id":"off_gerald_l_rocha_sr","speaker_confidence":0.9,"start_sec":7852.23,"end_sec":7856.7,"text":"Going to recognize members of the public. Um Mr. Faust.","topics_json":"[]","vector_id":"vec_seg_101944_263","created_at":"2026-10-31T08:06:29Z","speaker_name":"Gerald L. Rocha, Sr."},{"id":"seg_101944_264","meeting_id":"101944","media_asset_id":"med_101944_14427beca4965cc4","agenda_item_id":null,"speaker_id":"spk_101944_william_faust","speaker_confidence":0.95,"start_sec":7861.75,"end_sec":7868.67,"text":"Council President Neil, William Faust from Dover. Council President Neil, you always mention it's politically activated or this-","topics_json":"[]","vector_id":"vec_seg_101944_264","created_at":"2026-10-31T08:06:29Z","speaker_name":"William Faust"},{"id":"seg_101944_265","meeting_id":"101944","media_asset_id":"med_101944_14427beca4965cc4","agenda_item_id":null,"speaker_id":"off_gerald_l_rocha_sr","speaker_confidence":0.9,"start_sec":7868.67,"end_sec":7871.9,"text":"Could could you please uh direct your remarks through the chair? Thank you.","topics_json":"[]","vector_id":"vec_seg_101944_265","created_at":"2026-10-31T08:06:29Z","speaker_name":"Gerald L. Rocha, Sr."},{"id":"seg_101944_266","meeting_id":"101944","media_asset_id":"med_101944_14427beca4965cc4","agenda_item_id":null,"speaker_id":"spk_101944_william_faust","speaker_confidence":0.95,"start_sec":7872.14,"end_sec":7963.65,"text":"Well, I'm addressing through the chair the public comments because it's what he just said, so I'm addressing it to the chair. He came out and said it's politically motivated or whatever, and that we have 40-some-odd percent a nonprofit. I have only heard Dr. Sudler come up with a plan or an idea. No one on this council has come up with another idea. Council President Neil likes to shoot everything down. What is your suggestion, sir? You're highly educated, highly motivated. What's your suggestion to bring more revenue in? Stop shooting things down. And why don't you answer the question? The bottom line is you had three years to address it. You haven't brought revenue into this city. What are you doing? You keep on hearing, \"Oh, we got people investing.\" Every year when it comes time for the budget, you're passing on things to the public. We hear things like, \"It's the cost of doing business. It was beyond our control.\" Citizens are getting tired of hearing it. Then you say, \"Oh, the downtown partnership is going to help us. People will spend money.\" If you look down at the people of the city of Dover, they're not going to have disposable income to spend any shops in Dover, downtown Dover, anywhere around here. And from what a person said last night, people are having a hard time buying houses in Dover. Let's listen to the professionals are saying. The system is broken. So if you're going to knock things down, come up with a solution to fix it, sir.","topics_json":"[\"taxes\",\"budget\",\"housing\",\"business\"]","vector_id":"vec_seg_101944_266","created_at":"2026-10-31T08:06:29Z","speaker_name":"William Faust"},{"id":"seg_101944_267","meeting_id":"101944","media_asset_id":"med_101944_14427beca4965cc4","agenda_item_id":null,"speaker_id":"off_gerald_l_rocha_sr","speaker_confidence":0.9,"start_sec":7964.63,"end_sec":7970.24,"text":"Uh any uh please come forward. I can't quite see who's back there. There we go.","topics_json":"[]","vector_id":"vec_seg_101944_267","created_at":"2026-10-31T08:06:29Z","speaker_name":"Gerald L. Rocha, Sr."},{"id":"seg_101944_268","meeting_id":"101944","media_asset_id":"med_101944_14427beca4965cc4","agenda_item_id":null,"speaker_id":"spk_101944_bonnie","speaker_confidence":0.95,"start_sec":7973.85,"end_sec":8014.71,"text":"Good evening. My name is Bonnie, I just want to put out there I agree with Dr. Sudler. He is the only one that I have seen since I moved in this city come up with something to try to help the people. Everyone in this room, I've not once heard you say nay to nothing that goes on. I don't know about y'all, but I eat all American meals every day. All right, you eat ramen noodles. You go to college, you eat ramen noodles, cuz you can't afford anything when you pay for college. I agree with Sudler, and I agree with Fowler. Something needs to be done, and if this needs to be done, then I think we should put it through. Good job, Sudler. Well done.","topics_json":"[\"taxes\",\"budget\"]","vector_id":"vec_seg_101944_268","created_at":"2026-10-31T08:06:29Z","speaker_name":"Bonnie"},{"id":"seg_101944_269","meeting_id":"101944","media_asset_id":"med_101944_14427beca4965cc4","agenda_item_id":null,"speaker_id":"off_gerald_l_rocha_sr","speaker_confidence":0.9,"start_sec":8016.87,"end_sec":8023.75,"text":"Thank you. Any other uh please come Which one of you is first? Thanks.","topics_json":"[]","vector_id":"vec_seg_101944_269","created_at":"2026-10-31T08:06:29Z","speaker_name":"Gerald L. Rocha, Sr."},{"id":"seg_101944_27","meeting_id":"101944","media_asset_id":"med_101944_14427beca4965cc4","agenda_item_id":null,"speaker_id":"spk_101944_sharon_duca","speaker_confidence":0.95,"start_sec":1067.6,"end_sec":1088.5,"text":"I think the best move would be to add that on to our discussion with DelDOT, on including the west side of town with the truck routes. Um they did recently do some improvement down there on South Little Creek Road, so we would need to find out more of the um DelDOT's plans for that area in order to try to address that.","topics_json":"[\"public_safety\"]","vector_id":"vec_seg_101944_27","created_at":"2026-10-31T08:06:28Z","speaker_name":"Sharon Duca"},{"id":"seg_101944_270","meeting_id":"101944","media_asset_id":"med_101944_14427beca4965cc4","agenda_item_id":null,"speaker_id":"spk_101944_colleen_demaine","speaker_confidence":0.95,"start_sec":8026.34,"end_sec":8114.33,"text":"Colleen Demaine, City of Dover. Um, I want to put out there, I'm not okay with the data centers, but I am, however, good with the data collection for the information for tax purposes for uh partisans that aren't paying their portion and us constituents taking not only our portion, but their over. Um, I can't afford anymore. I can't afford my taxes going up anymore, and yes, I do have a daughter that is in college, and yes, you want to know what, I am paying for her to go to college, and yes, they need to pay their portion of their lights being on past school nights, or school hours when kids aren't there. That we need to start doing what we need to do, collecting the data of who's drawing more and what, and give a little bit of relief to us, and not to hand us a check, but anything that is right now and doesn't raise anymore is saving me money, which means I can go downtown to go to the little shops and buy the little bracelets and everything else that my daughter's find cute and and adoring, and maybe even go to a little cafe or something and get a cup of coffee without going, \"Oh gee, I've got to pay my taxes.\" I mean, any little relief whatsoever, and a data study saying, \"Okay, you need to pay 25% more of this because this is, you know,","topics_json":"[\"taxes\",\"budget\",\"business\"]","vector_id":"vec_seg_101944_270","created_at":"2026-10-31T08:06:29Z","speaker_name":"Colleen Demaine"},{"id":"seg_101944_271","meeting_id":"101944","media_asset_id":"med_101944_14427beca4965cc4","agenda_item_id":null,"speaker_id":"spk_101944_colleen_demaine","speaker_confidence":0.95,"start_sec":8115.15,"end_sec":8174.39,"text":"you know, taking a little off the constituents.\" And yeah, it's not the full amount that you need to owe, but it's a little more than which, you know, they lay off of the rest of us, because we can't afford anymore. And I live in a neighborhood of elderly people who are on Social Security, and maybe on a pension, and I'm just an individual who has two incomes coming into my house and and eight children to put food on the table for, and I have to sometimes fight between, okay, what are we going to eat for dinner tonight, maybe it's Oodles of Noodles, maybe it's, you know, spaghetti and meatballs. I also have a a medical condition that I have either to go electric bill or medical supplies, hmm, which one? I don't want to be able to, you know, have to make a choice or a decision. I want to pay what I owe. I want to see my tax money go to where it needs to go and not somewhere else. So any relief that you can give any constituents in any district,","topics_json":"[\"taxes\",\"budget\"]","vector_id":"vec_seg_101944_271","created_at":"2026-10-31T08:06:29Z","speaker_name":"Colleen Demaine"},{"id":"seg_101944_272","meeting_id":"101944","media_asset_id":"med_101944_14427beca4965cc4","agenda_item_id":null,"speaker_id":"spk_101944_colleen_demaine","speaker_confidence":0.95,"start_sec":8175.32,"end_sec":8214.22,"text":"we could put money to help other people that need it the most, and I don't mean billion-dollar companies and and, you know, builders that come in here and and start a little tiny business, then it grows and it grows and it grows, and we're still paying for that little tiny business along with the extension of their business, and they pay nothing. I'm tired of putting money out that I shouldn't have to put out, because I'm not using it, I'm using what I'm using, and I'm paying twice as much. We need to help us out, and and we need to find a way to collect data to put it out there and go, \"Okay, well, this is how much we have to increase you in order to relieve 50, 60 people.\" That's If that's what it has to be, that's what it has to be. Thank you.","topics_json":"[\"taxes\",\"budget\",\"business\"]","vector_id":"vec_seg_101944_272","created_at":"2026-10-31T08:06:29Z","speaker_name":"Colleen Demaine"},{"id":"seg_101944_273","meeting_id":"101944","media_asset_id":"med_101944_14427beca4965cc4","agenda_item_id":null,"speaker_id":"off_gerald_l_rocha_sr","speaker_confidence":0.9,"start_sec":8214.88,"end_sec":8216.42,"text":"Thank you.","topics_json":"[]","vector_id":"vec_seg_101944_273","created_at":"2026-10-31T08:06:29Z","speaker_name":"Gerald L. Rocha, Sr."},{"id":"seg_101944_274","meeting_id":"101944","media_asset_id":"med_101944_14427beca4965cc4","agenda_item_id":null,"speaker_id":"off_gerald_l_rocha_sr","speaker_confidence":0.9,"start_sec":8221.77,"end_sec":8224.43,"text":"Name name and town for the record, please.","topics_json":"[]","vector_id":"vec_seg_101944_274","created_at":"2026-10-31T08:06:29Z","speaker_name":"Gerald L. Rocha, Sr."},{"id":"seg_101944_275","meeting_id":"101944","media_asset_id":"med_101944_14427beca4965cc4","agenda_item_id":null,"speaker_id":"spk_101944_hassan_najjar","speaker_confidence":0.95,"start_sec":8224.43,"end_sec":8257.68,"text":"Good evening. I'm Hassan Najjar, director of the Biggs Museum, um also a Dover resident at 30 Hazlettville Road. Um I appreciate council's efforts to address Dover's financial challenges. However, I have serious concerns about this proposed um Capital Area Municipality Sustainability Act uh and its inclusion of nonprofit arts and cultural institutions. I'm not going to speak to uh our hospitals or our city or or state uh government in this, but speaking directly for for nonprofit uh arts and culture institutions. First, tax exemptions are not a financial privilege, it's a recognition of public benefit. Um organizations like ours serve their communities: we preserve history, educate children, attract visitors, contribute to the economic development of of Dover. These services are why our institutions receive that tax-exempt status. And calling this a tax calling this tax a fee does not change its substance. Uh it's a compulsory annual assessment on otherwise a tax-exempt uh organizations designed to generate municipal revenue. Changing its name doesn't resolve the fundamental question of whether this is taxation. Um Camden-Wyoming Sewer and Water Authority versus Town of Camden, 2017, uh stated exactly that, so that that would be something we'd probably want to look into when we're thinking about litigation. Um second, this proposal fundamentally mis- understands how cultural institutions operate. Um the legislation identifies directly the the Delaware Ag Museum uh as potentially owing owing uh quarter million uh annually in taxes. Um that's an extraordinary obligation uh for a nonprofit museum. And that proposal suggests that we could use federal and state cultural grants to offset those costs. Um number one, those grants are a gamble, you're not guaranteed to receive those um from anyone. Uh and then number two, um those dollars are not permitted to be used for items like this, they're for programs, um you know, for for kids, for families, uh for your community. They they're not used to pay those types of fees. Um lastly, I want to address how we're approaching this issue. I don't like coming before council...","topics_json":"[\"taxes\",\"budget\"]","vector_id":"vec_seg_101944_275","created_at":"2026-10-31T08:06:29Z","speaker_name":"Hassan Najjar"},{"id":"seg_101944_276","meeting_id":"101944","media_asset_id":"med_101944_14427beca4965cc4","agenda_item_id":null,"speaker_id":"spk_101944_public_commenter","speaker_confidence":0.85,"start_sec":8257.68,"end_sec":8329.48,"text":"um to complain without offering solutions. And and frankly, a 3-minute statement from me to you without an opportunity for a response, that's not a dialogue. It isn't a conversation. It doesn't allow us to ask questions. It doesn't allow us to challenge ideas, to develop any kind of creative solutions together. It's put me in the position of being uh reactive instead of proactive. And let's be honest, the underlying issue here is not, hey, how do we tax nonprofits? It's how the city addresses uh a city budget challenge. And that's a conversation we should be having. Um I was heartened earlier when uh you brought up uh, we're going to have to take this to, you know, the stakeholders that are listed in this document. Why do we have to wait till the tail end of that to to bring stakeholders in? Um if Dover is serious about finding solutions, why can't we host a facilitated town hall where we bring, you know, people in this room, the people in that document together uh, residents, businesses, nonprofits, city leadership, give us an opportunity to ask questions, to exchange ideas, to work collaboratively towards solutions instead of giving us something to react to without our input. That's how we should approach challenges by inviting our community to help solve them. Thank you.","topics_json":"[\"budget\",\"taxes\"]","vector_id":"vec_seg_101944_276","created_at":"2026-10-31T08:06:29Z","speaker_name":null},{"id":"seg_101944_277","meeting_id":"101944","media_asset_id":"med_101944_14427beca4965cc4","agenda_item_id":null,"speaker_id":"off_david_l_anderson","speaker_confidence":0.95,"start_sec":8329.48,"end_sec":8344.48,"text":"Thank you very much. Any comments? All right. Uh is is there any further discussion? Being none, I'm going to call uh the vote on the motion.","topics_json":"[]","vector_id":"vec_seg_101944_277","created_at":"2026-10-31T08:06:29Z","speaker_name":"David L. 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Arndt"},{"id":"seg_101944_28","meeting_id":"101944","media_asset_id":"med_101944_14427beca4965cc4","agenda_item_id":null,"speaker_id":"off_brian_e_lewis","speaker_confidence":0.95,"start_sec":1088.6,"end_sec":1094.5,"text":"The only improvement that they did this past summer was repave the road. They didn't widen it.","topics_json":"[]","vector_id":"vec_seg_101944_28","created_at":"2026-10-31T08:06:28Z","speaker_name":"Brian E. Lewis"},{"id":"seg_101944_280","meeting_id":"101944","media_asset_id":"med_101944_14427beca4965cc4","agenda_item_id":null,"speaker_id":"off_david_l_anderson","speaker_confidence":0.9,"start_sec":8358.48,"end_sec":8360.48,"text":"Madam Clerk.","topics_json":"[]","vector_id":"vec_seg_101944_280","created_at":"2026-10-31T08:06:29Z","speaker_name":"David L. Anderson"},{"id":"seg_101944_281","meeting_id":"101944","media_asset_id":"med_101944_14427beca4965cc4","agenda_item_id":null,"speaker_id":"spk_101944_city_clerk","speaker_confidence":0.9,"start_sec":8360.48,"end_sec":8370.78,"text":"I stole it off of our sheet. Um Mr. Neil moved that we meet with members of the General Assembly before staff resumes requested research.","topics_json":"[]","vector_id":"vec_seg_101944_281","created_at":"2026-10-31T08:06:29Z","speaker_name":"City Clerk"},{"id":"seg_101944_282","meeting_id":"101944","media_asset_id":"med_101944_14427beca4965cc4","agenda_item_id":null,"speaker_id":"off_david_l_anderson","speaker_confidence":0.9,"start_sec":8371.38,"end_sec":8373.48,"text":"Okay. Thank you.","topics_json":"[]","vector_id":"vec_seg_101944_282","created_at":"2026-10-31T08:06:29Z","speaker_name":"David L. Anderson"},{"id":"seg_101944_283","meeting_id":"101944","media_asset_id":"med_101944_14427beca4965cc4","agenda_item_id":null,"speaker_id":"off_david_l_anderson","speaker_confidence":0.9,"start_sec":8374.18,"end_sec":8378.98,"text":"Uh and yes, it Ye- yes, discuss-","topics_json":"[]","vector_id":"vec_seg_101944_283","created_at":"2026-10-31T08:06:29Z","speaker_name":"David L. Anderson"},{"id":"seg_101944_284","meeting_id":"101944","media_asset_id":"med_101944_14427beca4965cc4","agenda_item_id":null,"speaker_id":"off_roy_sudler_jr","speaker_confidence":0.95,"start_sec":8378.98,"end_sec":8411.48,"text":"Just thank you for recognizing me. Thank you for recognizing me. So um so in in other words, um basically holding only any conversation, any uh motion staying to possibly have a motion to do an RFP for information for um uh infrastructure data. So basically, this would say we wouldn't be able to do any of that until after the election in which is November 2nd.","topics_json":"[\"budget\",\"infrastructure\"]","vector_id":"vec_seg_101944_284","created_at":"2026-10-31T08:06:29Z","speaker_name":"Roy Sudler, Jr."},{"id":"seg_101944_285","meeting_id":"101944","media_asset_id":"med_101944_14427beca4965cc4","agenda_item_id":null,"speaker_id":"off_david_l_anderson","speaker_confidence":0.9,"start_sec":8411.88,"end_sec":8414.08,"text":"Uh well, that that's going to","topics_json":"[]","vector_id":"vec_seg_101944_285","created_at":"2026-10-31T08:06:29Z","speaker_name":"David L. 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So, that'd be at least the 6th would be the soonest it could happen.","topics_json":"[]","vector_id":"vec_seg_101944_287","created_at":"2026-10-31T08:06:29Z","speaker_name":"David L. Anderson"},{"id":"seg_101944_288","meeting_id":"101944","media_asset_id":"med_101944_14427beca4965cc4","agenda_item_id":null,"speaker_id":"off_roy_sudler_jr","speaker_confidence":0.9,"start_sec":8439.88,"end_sec":8441.28,"text":"Right. And and-","topics_json":"[]","vector_id":"vec_seg_101944_288","created_at":"2026-10-31T08:06:29Z","speaker_name":"Roy Sudler, Jr."},{"id":"seg_101944_289","meeting_id":"101944","media_asset_id":"med_101944_14427beca4965cc4","agenda_item_id":null,"speaker_id":"off_david_l_anderson","speaker_confidence":0.9,"start_sec":8441.28,"end_sec":8453.58,"text":"And uh and, of course, as you say, that's based on, you know, getting getting them together is um that it might have to be several meetings, quite frankly.","topics_json":"[]","vector_id":"vec_seg_101944_289","created_at":"2026-10-31T08:06:29Z","speaker_name":"David L. Anderson"},{"id":"seg_101944_29","meeting_id":"101944","media_asset_id":"med_101944_14427beca4965cc4","agenda_item_id":null,"speaker_id":"spk_101944_sharon_duca","speaker_confidence":0.95,"start_sec":1094.6,"end_sec":1100.5,"text":"Right, so that may be the extent of what they're looking at right now, so we have to find out what their overall plan is for that road.","topics_json":"[]","vector_id":"vec_seg_101944_29","created_at":"2026-10-31T08:06:28Z","speaker_name":"Sharon Duca"},{"id":"seg_101944_290","meeting_id":"101944","media_asset_id":"med_101944_14427beca4965cc4","agenda_item_id":null,"speaker_id":"off_roy_sudler_jr","speaker_confidence":0.95,"start_sec":8453.58,"end_sec":8566.48,"text":"Right. And and so my my major concern about that is if their schedule does not permit or if they choose to do use this as a delay tactic to not even have the conversation, then we will never even be able to move forward. And I don't agree with that because the simple fact that the that we have home rule. We can we If anything, we need to make the assessment which I believe we have the home rule to, based on the public public safety fee. Right? We didn't have to have a charter change, nor did we wait to to hear from state legislators in that manner. And it did, in fact, it did impact uh tax-exempt Delaware State University was also impacted by that. Right? So it did impact tax-exempt entities, and we did not have to wait and and and hear from state legislators on that public safety fee. Uh this is an infrastructure fee. So I I don't understand why we have to wait for the state when this is local municipalities. This is within our domain, our governance. Now, whether they support CAMSA or not, that's that remains to be discovered and seen. But I don't think moving forward with the discussion, or gathering or moving to vote to gather data, which we have to get anyway from for the data center, should be contingent upon that whether the state wants to meet with us or not, or who's going to be, you know, the next representative on the state level or not. I I think that's I don't think that's good business. They represent They don't wait for us when they make decisions. They don't wait for local uh government to assess how our constituents feel, and we are on the front line. Local government is on the front line. So, no. I'm not waiting on nobody.","topics_json":"[\"public_safety\",\"infrastructure\",\"taxes\"]","vector_id":"vec_seg_101944_290","created_at":"2026-10-31T08:06:29Z","speaker_name":"Roy Sudler, Jr."},{"id":"seg_101944_291","meeting_id":"101944","media_asset_id":"med_101944_14427beca4965cc4","agenda_item_id":null,"speaker_id":"off_david_l_anderson","speaker_confidence":0.9,"start_sec":8567.18,"end_sec":8570.78,"text":"Uh thank you. Uh Mrs. Arndt?","topics_json":"[]","vector_id":"vec_seg_101944_291","created_at":"2026-10-31T08:06:29Z","speaker_name":"David L. Anderson"},{"id":"seg_101944_292","meeting_id":"101944","media_asset_id":"med_101944_14427beca4965cc4","agenda_item_id":null,"speaker_id":"off_tricia_k_arndt","speaker_confidence":0.95,"start_sec":8570.78,"end_sec":8611.98,"text":"Thank you. I I would just say that I don't see the harm in determining if an action is is legal and feasible before spending the money to collect data on how to implement it. So in my mind as a planner, you know, can you implement it before you determine how to implement it? Um and in terms of this particular action seeking an RFP, there's no way you're go- going to get an RFP out before um the elections and the elections are certified. Just the timeline that it would take to establish and develop an RFP and issue it. So it it it could be a moot point, but I do like the idea of gate engaging legislators and stakeholders sooner rather than later.","topics_json":"[\"budget\"]","vector_id":"vec_seg_101944_292","created_at":"2026-10-31T08:06:29Z","speaker_name":"Tricia K. Arndt"},{"id":"seg_101944_293","meeting_id":"101944","media_asset_id":"med_101944_14427beca4965cc4","agenda_item_id":null,"speaker_id":"off_david_l_anderson","speaker_confidence":0.9,"start_sec":8611.98,"end_sec":8616.18,"text":"Mr. Chairman Councilman Council President Neil.","topics_json":"[]","vector_id":"vec_seg_101944_293","created_at":"2026-10-31T08:06:29Z","speaker_name":"David L. Anderson"},{"id":"seg_101944_294","meeting_id":"101944","media_asset_id":"med_101944_14427beca4965cc4","agenda_item_id":null,"speaker_id":"off_fred_a_neil","speaker_confidence":0.95,"start_sec":8616.48,"end_sec":8699.28,"text":"Thank you, sir. Um first off, we need a charter change, do we not, in order to be if be able to implement this? Is that my understanding? So it's not up to us. If we need a charter change to do so, if the state legislature is not going to move forward, and the legislature is uh not not going to move forward, we can still go with CAMSA, it's just not going to get passed. So, the value of this discussion really is the desperate situation that the city faces. And that's the real value of it, that we need help, and we need other sources of income because even though we have DDP and we have um the area around the airport that's producing additional income and will continue to do so, uh the fact is that only 45% of our people of our uh our our of of, you know, 45% of of the uh nonprofits aren't paying, and now we're spreading this thing out. We've heard from one person who said no. This is so we're we're nonprofit. When this comes up, you're going to have a very hard time convincing the members of the legislature if we need a charter change. My understanding is that we do. And that's the reason to get the feel of our legislators to make sure that they're going to support us. If we don't want them, if they say they want are not going to do it, and if we still want to pass the resolution, we can do that. And as I said, I think there's a little politics that's being played at this time. I yield.","topics_json":"[\"taxes\",\"budget\"]","vector_id":"vec_seg_101944_294","created_at":"2026-10-31T08:06:29Z","speaker_name":"Fred A. Neil"},{"id":"seg_101944_295","meeting_id":"101944","media_asset_id":"med_101944_14427beca4965cc4","agenda_item_id":null,"speaker_id":"off_david_l_anderson","speaker_confidence":0.9,"start_sec":8699.38,"end_sec":8707.48,"text":"Uh thank you. The uh I Thank you. Uh Councilman Rocha.","topics_json":"[]","vector_id":"vec_seg_101944_295","created_at":"2026-10-31T08:06:29Z","speaker_name":"David L. Anderson"},{"id":"seg_101944_296","meeting_id":"101944","media_asset_id":"med_101944_14427beca4965cc4","agenda_item_id":null,"speaker_id":"off_gerald_l_rocha_sr","speaker_confidence":0.95,"start_sec":8707.68,"end_sec":8779.48,"text":"Yeah, I I agree with some of the things Mr. Neil said. I'll disregard the uh political statement, but um I I'll agree with having the conversation, just like Councilwoman Arndt. I just don't agree with the with the motion uh because I think that the process should start to move forward until we hit a brick wall. So I I don't think we should halt anything based on a motion. Uh nothing's going to be resolved before the election, like Councilwoman said Councilwoman Arndt said. I don't think we need to take any action tonight. You know what I mean? It's it's a little early for that. So I'm not going to support the uh the motion on the table right now. I yield.","topics_json":"[]","vector_id":"vec_seg_101944_296","created_at":"2026-10-31T08:06:29Z","speaker_name":"Gerald L. Rocha, Sr."},{"id":"seg_101944_297","meeting_id":"101944","media_asset_id":"med_101944_14427beca4965cc4","agenda_item_id":null,"speaker_id":"off_david_l_anderson","speaker_confidence":0.9,"start_sec":8780.28,"end_sec":8783.28,"text":"Thank you. Uh Councilman Lewis.","topics_json":"[]","vector_id":"vec_seg_101944_297","created_at":"2026-10-31T08:06:29Z","speaker_name":"David L. Anderson"},{"id":"seg_101944_298","meeting_id":"101944","media_asset_id":"med_101944_14427beca4965cc4","agenda_item_id":null,"speaker_id":"off_brian_e_lewis","speaker_confidence":0.95,"start_sec":8783.28,"end_sec":8823.88,"text":"Help me understand why we're bringing even this election into play. I think it's a moot matter, completely. That's my opinion. I mean, you know, whoever gets in gets in, okay, we're still going to have to deal with that particular representative. Uh and um you know, I I concur with Councilman Sudler with respect to, you know, when we initiated the public safety fee, we didn't have to get a charter change. None of this transpired. So, what's the difference? You know, what's the difference? We already have a public safety fee that's been initiated.","topics_json":"[\"public_safety\"]","vector_id":"vec_seg_101944_298","created_at":"2026-10-31T08:06:29Z","speaker_name":"Brian E. Lewis"},{"id":"seg_101944_299","meeting_id":"101944","media_asset_id":"med_101944_14427beca4965cc4","agenda_item_id":null,"speaker_id":"off_david_l_anderson","speaker_confidence":0.9,"start_sec":8825.48,"end_sec":8826.88,"text":"I think that fell.","topics_json":"[]","vector_id":"vec_seg_101944_299","created_at":"2026-10-31T08:06:29Z","speaker_name":"David L. Anderson"},{"id":"seg_101944_3","meeting_id":"101944","media_asset_id":"med_101944_14427beca4965cc4","agenda_item_id":null,"speaker_id":"off_andre_m_boggerty","speaker_confidence":0.95,"start_sec":22.4,"end_sec":23.4,"text":"Boggerty seconds.","topics_json":"[]","vector_id":"vec_seg_101944_3","created_at":"2026-10-31T08:06:28Z","speaker_name":"Andre M. Boggerty"},{"id":"seg_101944_30","meeting_id":"101944","media_asset_id":"med_101944_14427beca4965cc4","agenda_item_id":null,"speaker_id":"off_brian_e_lewis","speaker_confidence":0.95,"start_sec":1100.6,"end_sec":1117.5,"text":"All right, understood. If you could uh kind of look into that, because like I said, this has been fermenting for a while now and it's been addressed as a safety issue because of East Dover Elementary School there, and particular in the morning, because that's when these trucks come traveling down.","topics_json":"[\"public_safety\"]","vector_id":"vec_seg_101944_30","created_at":"2026-10-31T08:06:28Z","speaker_name":"Brian E. Lewis"},{"id":"seg_101944_300","meeting_id":"101944","media_asset_id":"med_101944_14427beca4965cc4","agenda_item_id":null,"speaker_id":"off_brian_e_lewis","speaker_confidence":0.95,"start_sec":8827.18,"end_sec":8830.38,"text":"I mean, all right, Ms. Sass left the room, but uh","topics_json":"[]","vector_id":"vec_seg_101944_300","created_at":"2026-10-31T08:06:29Z","speaker_name":"Brian E. Lewis"},{"id":"seg_101944_301","meeting_id":"101944","media_asset_id":"med_101944_14427beca4965cc4","agenda_item_id":null,"speaker_id":"off_david_l_anderson","speaker_confidence":0.9,"start_sec":8830.38,"end_sec":8833.18,"text":"Are you talking about for the um Yeah.","topics_json":"[]","vector_id":"vec_seg_101944_301","created_at":"2026-10-31T08:06:29Z","speaker_name":"David L. Anderson"},{"id":"seg_101944_302","meeting_id":"101944","media_asset_id":"med_101944_14427beca4965cc4","agenda_item_id":null,"speaker_id":"off_brian_e_lewis","speaker_confidence":0.95,"start_sec":8833.18,"end_sec":8834.48,"text":"the EMS?","topics_json":"[\"public_safety\"]","vector_id":"vec_seg_101944_302","created_at":"2026-10-31T08:06:29Z","speaker_name":"Brian E. Lewis"},{"id":"seg_101944_303","meeting_id":"101944","media_asset_id":"med_101944_14427beca4965cc4","agenda_item_id":null,"speaker_id":"off_brian_e_lewis","speaker_confidence":0.95,"start_sec":8834.48,"end_sec":8853.78,"text":"For the EMS and um Yeah. I mean, everybody's paying for that, nonprofits and all. So, I mean, I'm I'm not for the motion. And, you know, and I'm sick and tired of uh Councilman Neil saying, \"We're playing politics.\" He's playing politics.","topics_json":"[\"public_safety\"]","vector_id":"vec_seg_101944_303","created_at":"2026-10-31T08:06:29Z","speaker_name":"Brian E. Lewis"},{"id":"seg_101944_304","meeting_id":"101944","media_asset_id":"med_101944_14427beca4965cc4","agenda_item_id":null,"speaker_id":"off_david_l_anderson","speaker_confidence":0.9,"start_sec":8854.18,"end_sec":8863.18,"text":"And uh it's and uh now it's Oh, okay. Please.","topics_json":"[]","vector_id":"vec_seg_101944_304","created_at":"2026-10-31T08:06:29Z","speaker_name":"David L. Anderson"},{"id":"seg_101944_305","meeting_id":"101944","media_asset_id":"med_101944_14427beca4965cc4","agenda_item_id":null,"speaker_id":"off_tricia_k_arndt","speaker_confidence":0.95,"start_sec":8863.18,"end_sec":8913.48,"text":"Just one one last point. And to clarify that the question about whether or not we would need a a charter change, it's in the solicitor's letter that there would need to be an amendment to Section 49A of the charter, so that that's where that's coming from. Um so just to let you know. Um And we get questioned a lot on lawsuits and and how we get in trouble. And I think when you have advice from your solicitor, we should follow it. Um so I'm just going based off my concerns were largely driven by the analysis from the solicitor. No disrespect to you. Thank you for putting forward an idea. I just want to make sure that all the questions are asked. I don't think it's shooting an idea down to ask the questions that need to be asked. And when our solicitor frames those questions for us, then I'm going to ask them. I yield.","topics_json":"[]","vector_id":"vec_seg_101944_305","created_at":"2026-10-31T08:06:29Z","speaker_name":"Tricia K. Arndt"},{"id":"seg_101944_306","meeting_id":"101944","media_asset_id":"med_101944_14427beca4965cc4","agenda_item_id":null,"speaker_id":"off_david_l_anderson","speaker_confidence":0.95,"start_sec":8913.68,"end_sec":8975.98,"text":"Thank Thank you, and I And and I think that's the response to us that statement being made not that not to you, but to the general uh statement being made because that as we all believe asking if the tough questions are going to be asked, and they better be asked in here. And I'm sure everybody agrees with that, right? Uh Dr. Sudler?","topics_json":"[]","vector_id":"vec_seg_101944_306","created_at":"2026-10-31T08:06:29Z","speaker_name":"David L. Anderson"},{"id":"seg_101944_307","meeting_id":"101944","media_asset_id":"med_101944_14427beca4965cc4","agenda_item_id":null,"speaker_id":"off_roy_sudler_jr","speaker_confidence":0.95,"start_sec":8976.38,"end_sec":8995.18,"text":"Uh thank you, Mr. Chair. And I And I thank you. I thank you. I thank Neil. I thank everyone. And I do believe we need to have a workshop, and uh through um opposition and comes critical thinking. Critical thinking becomes, you know, new, innovative ways of resolving complex problems. And that's where I think the spirit where we need to be. I concur with Councilman Lewis.","topics_json":"[]","vector_id":"vec_seg_101944_307","created_at":"2026-10-31T08:06:29Z","speaker_name":"Roy Sudler, Jr."},{"id":"seg_101944_308","meeting_id":"101944","media_asset_id":"med_101944_14427beca4965cc4","agenda_item_id":null,"speaker_id":"off_roy_sudler_jr","speaker_confidence":0.95,"start_sec":8998.38,"end_sec":9074.28,"text":"Um no one has any political agenda other than to serve, um and I don't think anyone should be ostracized if they do have a political agenda that is to serve the public in the best interest of the public. Um for the record, I've I've always served. I have 22 years with the city of Dover, 22 years, 11 as council person and 11 on council committees. I started young. I've been serving. I'm still serving, and I will always serve with or without a title cuz that's who I am. I yield.","topics_json":"[]","vector_id":"vec_seg_101944_308","created_at":"2026-10-31T08:06:29Z","speaker_name":"Roy Sudler, Jr."},{"id":"seg_101944_309","meeting_id":"101944","media_asset_id":"med_101944_14427beca4965cc4","agenda_item_id":null,"speaker_id":"off_david_l_anderson","speaker_confidence":0.95,"start_sec":9076.98,"end_sec":9146.98,"text":"Uh there is um It It thanks to me that if um quite frankly, if um we believe that it was illegal, I I um uh City Manager Duca and I would have definitely pulled the plug on it. Uh reading from the solicitor's opinion, he says succinctly, \"It is my opinion the proposed legislation can withstand legal challenges so long as the city can establish uh that, regardless of the label being placed on the charges, the fees are proportional to the additional strain the affected entities place on the city infrastructure, i.e., proportionality, and two, there is a reasonable relationship between the charges the city uses uh use of the fees generated by the charges and access.\" And uh that is uh yeah and that that's why I raised I had those concerns and raised a lot of those questions uh right from the beginning, and uh yeah, and those are questions that that um haven't been fully answered yet, but uh but, my view, we information.","topics_json":"[\"infrastructure\"]","vector_id":"vec_seg_101944_309","created_at":"2026-10-31T08:06:29Z","speaker_name":"David L. Anderson"},{"id":"seg_101944_31","meeting_id":"101944","media_asset_id":"med_101944_14427beca4965cc4","agenda_item_id":null,"speaker_id":"spk_101944_sharon_duca","speaker_confidence":0.95,"start_sec":1117.6,"end_sec":1121.5,"text":"Okay. Chair, uh Jason would like to add something to that, if that's fine.","topics_json":"[]","vector_id":"vec_seg_101944_31","created_at":"2026-10-31T08:06:28Z","speaker_name":"Sharon Duca"},{"id":"seg_101944_310","meeting_id":"101944","media_asset_id":"med_101944_14427beca4965cc4","agenda_item_id":null,"speaker_id":"off_david_l_anderson","speaker_confidence":0.95,"start_sec":9148.38,"end_sec":9292.08,"text":"But I'm not with for um just uh putting that spending money for that information. However, in my humble opinion, we need to do it anyway for three reasons. Uh one, we already passed, and it is law now, that we are going to do a study like this because of the data center moratorium. Um so we may as well, while we're doing this, uh make it broader, so we can have a better understanding of everything because once we understand our our cost inputs, uh we can do better for our budgeting uh, you know, in in all levels in all funds. Uh, number two, I I look at it as as uh once we have this information, maybe we can finally get PILOT fairness. If they won't do CAMSA, I'm okay with that. But then let's talk. Uh let's talk other issues. And let let's talk about why are we getting 1/3 uh, less than a third, uh for PILOT when Wilmington gets 100%? Uh why don't we get PILOT on uh on other state-affiliated properties? Uh that I mean, we don't get it at all on that. Um we we have to have a discussion. Um and that discussion is better had with information and data that can't be refuted. Uh so whether we uh I'm not married to any particular proposal, and I'm not opposing any particular proposal. Uh but I but I see the value that this proposal has generated when it comes to getting the information. And that information can be used in a lot of ways that I think will benefit the city. Uh, in the third way, uh when we're doing this, we'll actually have uh certainly more information when it comes to stormwater and stormwater fee infrastructure.","topics_json":"[\"budget\",\"infrastructure\",\"taxes\"]","vector_id":"vec_seg_101944_310","created_at":"2026-10-31T08:06:29Z","speaker_name":"David L. Anderson"},{"id":"seg_101944_311","meeting_id":"101944","media_asset_id":"med_101944_14427beca4965cc4","agenda_item_id":null,"speaker_id":"off_david_l_anderson","speaker_confidence":0.95,"start_sec":9292.78,"end_sec":9321.88,"text":"So, what I I mean for instance, uh one way that we can approach this if this is not the way we go would be to have a stormwater infrastructure fee for 50,000 above. Um you know, there uh as well, you know, which the state has already um amended the law to give us the authority to do.","topics_json":"[\"infrastructure\"]","vector_id":"vec_seg_101944_311","created_at":"2026-10-31T08:06:29Z","speaker_name":"David L. Anderson"},{"id":"seg_101944_312","meeting_id":"101944","media_asset_id":"med_101944_14427beca4965cc4","agenda_item_id":null,"speaker_id":"off_david_l_anderson","speaker_confidence":0.95,"start_sec":9322.58,"end_sec":9328.38,"text":"Uh and, you know, so so there's so more There's a lot of different ways that you can can look at things. Um","topics_json":"[]","vector_id":"vec_seg_101944_312","created_at":"2026-10-31T08:06:29Z","speaker_name":"David L. Anderson"},{"id":"seg_101944_313","meeting_id":"101944","media_asset_id":"med_101944_14427beca4965cc4","agenda_item_id":null,"speaker_id":"off_david_l_anderson","speaker_confidence":0.95,"start_sec":9329.38,"end_sec":9379.38,"text":"that that's all can look at things. I think part of the pressure's going to be relieved within the next 2 years because of the current build-outs. For instance, like Garrison, uh which will bring hundreds of millions of dollars of infrastructure in place. Uh we will be getting, most likely within 2 years, uh a net of 8 to within 2 to 3 years, we'll be getting a net of at least $8 to $10 million from just from Garrison, which is going to help out tremendously. It turns around our entire fiscal picture.","topics_json":"[\"budget\",\"infrastructure\"]","vector_id":"vec_seg_101944_313","created_at":"2026-10-31T08:06:29Z","speaker_name":"David L. Anderson"},{"id":"seg_101944_314","meeting_id":"101944","media_asset_id":"med_101944_14427beca4965cc4","agenda_item_id":null,"speaker_id":"off_david_l_anderson","speaker_confidence":0.95,"start_sec":9380.18,"end_sec":9404.08,"text":"And that's been something It doesn't happen overnight. We start before any of us were in council, uh 20 years ago. And then we accelerated, of course, once we came on, um some the members here. Um uh but it is um but anyway, that's Well, um that's that's my view of it, uh and vote your conscience.","topics_json":"[]","vector_id":"vec_seg_101944_314","created_at":"2026-10-31T08:06:29Z","speaker_name":"David L. Anderson"},{"id":"seg_101944_315","meeting_id":"101944","media_asset_id":"med_101944_14427beca4965cc4","agenda_item_id":null,"speaker_id":"off_david_l_anderson","speaker_confidence":0.95,"start_sec":9407.38,"end_sec":9409.68,"text":"Uh all in favor?","topics_json":"[]","vector_id":"vec_seg_101944_315","created_at":"2026-10-31T08:06:29Z","speaker_name":"David L. Anderson"},{"id":"seg_101944_316","meeting_id":"101944","media_asset_id":"med_101944_14427beca4965cc4","agenda_item_id":null,"speaker_id":"off_fred_a_neil","speaker_confidence":0.95,"start_sec":9409.68,"end_sec":9410.88,"text":"Aye.","topics_json":"[]","vector_id":"vec_seg_101944_316","created_at":"2026-10-31T08:06:29Z","speaker_name":"Fred A. Neil"},{"id":"seg_101944_317","meeting_id":"101944","media_asset_id":"med_101944_14427beca4965cc4","agenda_item_id":null,"speaker_id":"off_tricia_k_arndt","speaker_confidence":0.95,"start_sec":9410.28,"end_sec":9411.48,"text":"Aye.","topics_json":"[]","vector_id":"vec_seg_101944_317","created_at":"2026-10-31T08:06:29Z","speaker_name":"Tricia K. Arndt"},{"id":"seg_101944_318","meeting_id":"101944","media_asset_id":"med_101944_14427beca4965cc4","agenda_item_id":null,"speaker_id":"off_david_l_anderson","speaker_confidence":0.9,"start_sec":9411.48,"end_sec":9412.68,"text":"All opposed?","topics_json":"[]","vector_id":"vec_seg_101944_318","created_at":"2026-10-31T08:06:29Z","speaker_name":"David L. Anderson"},{"id":"seg_101944_319","meeting_id":"101944","media_asset_id":"med_101944_14427beca4965cc4","agenda_item_id":null,"speaker_id":"off_brian_e_lewis","speaker_confidence":0.95,"start_sec":9412.68,"end_sec":9414.08,"text":"No.","topics_json":"[]","vector_id":"vec_seg_101944_319","created_at":"2026-10-31T08:06:29Z","speaker_name":"Brian E. Lewis"},{"id":"seg_101944_32","meeting_id":"101944","media_asset_id":"med_101944_14427beca4965cc4","agenda_item_id":null,"speaker_id":"spk_101944_jason_lyon","speaker_confidence":0.95,"start_sec":1122,"end_sec":1155,"text":"Uh good evening, team. Uh Jason Lyon, assistant city manager. Um, so, DelDOT is in the middle of doing a uh a study and a design to improve South Little Creek Road, which includes pedestrian improvements, um road safety improvements, and the the pursuit of getting a lower speed limit. So, that project is underway. Uh the projects that are proposed here will, hopefully, uh decrease the truck traffic on those roads when we have those connector roads going up and down the north-south corridor to the Garrison Oak Technology Park. So, I just wanted to add that for some context. Thank you.","topics_json":"[\"public_safety\",\"business\"]","vector_id":"vec_seg_101944_32","created_at":"2026-10-31T08:06:28Z","speaker_name":"Jason Lyon"},{"id":"seg_101944_320","meeting_id":"101944","media_asset_id":"med_101944_14427beca4965cc4","agenda_item_id":null,"speaker_id":"off_roy_sudler_jr","speaker_confidence":0.95,"start_sec":9412.68,"end_sec":9414.38,"text":"No.","topics_json":"[]","vector_id":"vec_seg_101944_320","created_at":"2026-10-31T08:06:29Z","speaker_name":"Roy Sudler, Jr."},{"id":"seg_101944_321","meeting_id":"101944","media_asset_id":"med_101944_14427beca4965cc4","agenda_item_id":null,"speaker_id":"off_gerald_l_rocha_sr","speaker_confidence":0.95,"start_sec":9413.68,"end_sec":9414.68,"text":"No.","topics_json":"[]","vector_id":"vec_seg_101944_321","created_at":"2026-10-31T08:06:29Z","speaker_name":"Gerald L. Rocha, Sr."},{"id":"seg_101944_322","meeting_id":"101944","media_asset_id":"med_101944_14427beca4965cc4","agenda_item_id":null,"speaker_id":"off_david_l_anderson","speaker_confidence":0.9,"start_sec":9414.98,"end_sec":9418.48,"text":"Uh had any online?","topics_json":"[]","vector_id":"vec_seg_101944_322","created_at":"2026-10-31T08:06:29Z","speaker_name":"David L. Anderson"},{"id":"seg_101944_323","meeting_id":"101944","media_asset_id":"med_101944_14427beca4965cc4","agenda_item_id":null,"speaker_id":"off_david_l_anderson","speaker_confidence":0.95,"start_sec":9419.08,"end_sec":9424.98,"text":"Uh well, it doesn't matter. Having uh failed to receive six votes, the motion fails.","topics_json":"[]","vector_id":"vec_seg_101944_323","created_at":"2026-10-31T08:06:29Z","speaker_name":"David L. Anderson"},{"id":"seg_101944_324","meeting_id":"101944","media_asset_id":"med_101944_14427beca4965cc4","agenda_item_id":null,"speaker_id":"off_david_l_anderson","speaker_confidence":0.95,"start_sec":9427.18,"end_sec":9431.48,"text":"Uh the uh yes, uh Dr. Sudler?","topics_json":"[]","vector_id":"vec_seg_101944_324","created_at":"2026-10-31T08:06:29Z","speaker_name":"David L. Anderson"},{"id":"seg_101944_325","meeting_id":"101944","media_asset_id":"med_101944_14427beca4965cc4","agenda_item_id":null,"speaker_id":"off_roy_sudler_jr","speaker_confidence":0.95,"start_sec":9431.68,"end_sec":9437.35,"text":"I move that we um authorize the city manager to continue to orchestrate or put together or continue her work and her team's work, the city manager and assistant city manager and her team and the treasurer, to continue to do the work of the public to put together the criteria needed to zoom in and focus on the infrastructure um assessment criteria for the for the Capital of Delaware in which the engineer would use uh for both projects, the data center and CAMSA.","topics_json":"[\"infrastructure\"]","vector_id":"vec_seg_101944_325","created_at":"2026-10-31T08:06:29Z","speaker_name":"Roy Sudler, Jr."},{"id":"seg_101944_326","meeting_id":"101944","media_asset_id":"med_101944_14427beca4965cc4","agenda_item_id":null,"speaker_id":"off_roy_sudler_jr","speaker_confidence":0.95,"start_sec":9437.34,"end_sec":9439.11,"text":"I will rescind my motion.","topics_json":"[]","vector_id":"vec_seg_101944_326","created_at":"2026-10-31T08:06:29Z","speaker_name":"Roy Sudler, Jr."},{"id":"seg_101944_327","meeting_id":"101944","media_asset_id":"med_101944_14427beca4965cc4","agenda_item_id":null,"speaker_id":"spk_101944_council_member","speaker_confidence":0.7,"start_sec":9439.11,"end_sec":9440.29,"text":"I concur.","topics_json":"[]","vector_id":"vec_seg_101944_327","created_at":"2026-10-31T08:06:29Z","speaker_name":null},{"id":"seg_101944_328","meeting_id":"101944","media_asset_id":"med_101944_14427beca4965cc4","agenda_item_id":null,"speaker_id":"off_david_l_anderson","speaker_confidence":0.95,"start_sec":9440.29,"end_sec":9449.98,"text":"All right. Thank you. So, we'll found- so, we'll just continue. So, is there- continue as is. Um, is there any other business for the leg- Yep. Dr. Sudler.","topics_json":"[]","vector_id":"vec_seg_101944_328","created_at":"2026-10-31T08:06:29Z","speaker_name":"David L. Anderson"},{"id":"seg_101944_329","meeting_id":"101944","media_asset_id":"med_101944_14427beca4965cc4","agenda_item_id":null,"speaker_id":"off_roy_sudler_jr","speaker_confidence":0.95,"start_sec":9449.98,"end_sec":9512.16,"text":"In sum, in sum I just want to say thank you. Thank everyone, even thank the Council President for his opposition, um, because it forces critical thinking and know that my only intention and- and I'm sure all of our only intentions is to help serve the city better, um, regardless of how we do it or how it's viewed. I- I think all of us here to help serve city better. So, thank you for coming out. And hopefully, um, Councilman Anderson, um, if we could think about doing a workshop for the stakeholders as, um, the director of Biggs Museum, Hassan, has- has- has brought forth where it be unlimited time to- to voice their concerns and their opinion as well as the constituents. I think that's very important and imperative in- in serving the public. And so, um- I'm- you know, if we can work on that...","topics_json":"[\"taxes\",\"budget\"]","vector_id":"vec_seg_101944_329","created_at":"2026-10-31T08:06:29Z","speaker_name":"Roy Sudler, Jr."},{"id":"seg_101944_33","meeting_id":"101944","media_asset_id":"med_101944_14427beca4965cc4","agenda_item_id":null,"speaker_id":"off_brian_e_lewis","speaker_confidence":0.95,"start_sec":1155.1,"end_sec":1165.9,"text":"So So, what's um, as far as the time constraints on that, uh so I can go back and tell my constituents in the second district that live over in Schoolview, Stoney Creek, and uh the other areas?","topics_json":"[]","vector_id":"vec_seg_101944_33","created_at":"2026-10-31T08:06:28Z","speaker_name":"Brian E. Lewis"},{"id":"seg_101944_330","meeting_id":"101944","media_asset_id":"med_101944_14427beca4965cc4","agenda_item_id":null,"speaker_id":"off_david_l_anderson","speaker_confidence":0.95,"start_sec":9512.16,"end_sec":9513.01,"text":"I think- I concur.","topics_json":"[]","vector_id":"vec_seg_101944_330","created_at":"2026-10-31T08:06:29Z","speaker_name":"David L. Anderson"},{"id":"seg_101944_331","meeting_id":"101944","media_asset_id":"med_101944_14427beca4965cc4","agenda_item_id":null,"speaker_id":"off_roy_sudler_jr","speaker_confidence":0.95,"start_sec":9513.01,"end_sec":9514.12,"text":"I think that'd be great. And sooner than later.","topics_json":"[]","vector_id":"vec_seg_101944_331","created_at":"2026-10-31T08:06:29Z","speaker_name":"Roy Sudler, Jr."},{"id":"seg_101944_332","meeting_id":"101944","media_asset_id":"med_101944_14427beca4965cc4","agenda_item_id":null,"speaker_id":"off_david_l_anderson","speaker_confidence":0.95,"start_sec":9514.12,"end_sec":9538.56,"text":"I think we can, uh, definitely achieve that. We may have a, uh, maybe we'll have a- a special meeting, uh, just dedicated towards this again maybe in December. Um, and just, uh- and- and invite the, uh, invite people pro and con and- and, uh, because that do- one thing even if we don't go this way, there could be, uh- um, if we build, uh, a committee- because we have not been able to achieve on our own, for instance, PILOT fairness.","topics_json":"[\"taxes\",\"budget\"]","vector_id":"vec_seg_101944_332","created_at":"2026-10-31T08:06:29Z","speaker_name":"David L. Anderson"},{"id":"seg_101944_333","meeting_id":"101944","media_asset_id":"med_101944_14427beca4965cc4","agenda_item_id":null,"speaker_id":"off_roy_sudler_jr","speaker_confidence":0.9,"start_sec":9538.56,"end_sec":9539.15,"text":"Right.","topics_json":"[]","vector_id":"vec_seg_101944_333","created_at":"2026-10-31T08:06:29Z","speaker_name":"Roy Sudler, Jr."},{"id":"seg_101944_334","meeting_id":"101944","media_asset_id":"med_101944_14427beca4965cc4","agenda_item_id":null,"speaker_id":"off_david_l_anderson","speaker_confidence":0.95,"start_sec":9539.15,"end_sec":9580.68,"text":"Maybe, um, maybe, uh, if all of us, if this whole community goes to the General Assembly, uh, united, maybe we can achieve PILOT fairness, then we don't have to have this discussion. Um, that's- but to do that, we need help. Anyway, that's...","topics_json":"[\"taxes\",\"budget\"]","vector_id":"vec_seg_101944_334","created_at":"2026-10-31T08:06:29Z","speaker_name":"David L. Anderson"},{"id":"seg_101944_335","meeting_id":"101944","media_asset_id":"med_101944_14427beca4965cc4","agenda_item_id":null,"speaker_id":"off_roy_sudler_jr","speaker_confidence":0.95,"start_sec":9580.68,"end_sec":9589.2,"text":"And- and- and also I want to say that, um, when we do have that meeting, I will provide food for that evening. And you know everything's gourm- yeah, I'm cooking. All right, so for real. All right.","topics_json":"[]","vector_id":"vec_seg_101944_335","created_at":"2026-10-31T08:06:29Z","speaker_name":"Roy Sudler, Jr."},{"id":"seg_101944_336","meeting_id":"101944","media_asset_id":"med_101944_14427beca4965cc4","agenda_item_id":null,"speaker_id":"off_david_l_anderson","speaker_confidence":0.95,"start_sec":9589.2,"end_sec":9592.21,"text":"Then maybe I want that meeting in November. [laughter]","topics_json":"[]","vector_id":"vec_seg_101944_336","created_at":"2026-10-31T08:06:29Z","speaker_name":"David L. Anderson"},{"id":"seg_101944_337","meeting_id":"101944","media_asset_id":"med_101944_14427beca4965cc4","agenda_item_id":null,"speaker_id":"off_roy_sudler_jr","speaker_confidence":0.95,"start_sec":9592.21,"end_sec":9595.29,"text":"No, I'm- I'm- I'm- I'ma step it up. I'm going to give you all some ribs, you know, and...","topics_json":"[]","vector_id":"vec_seg_101944_337","created_at":"2026-10-31T08:06:29Z","speaker_name":"Roy Sudler, Jr."},{"id":"seg_101944_338","meeting_id":"101944","media_asset_id":"med_101944_14427beca4965cc4","agenda_item_id":null,"speaker_id":"off_andre_m_boggerty","speaker_confidence":0.85,"start_sec":9595.29,"end_sec":9596.08,"text":"None for you, Ms. Arndt.","topics_json":"[]","vector_id":"vec_seg_101944_338","created_at":"2026-10-31T08:06:29Z","speaker_name":"Andre M. 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So, I'll make that a list and get that back to the team.","topics_json":"[]","vector_id":"vec_seg_101944_34","created_at":"2026-10-31T08:06:28Z","speaker_name":"Jason Lyon"},{"id":"seg_101944_340","meeting_id":"101944","media_asset_id":"med_101944_14427beca4965cc4","agenda_item_id":null,"speaker_id":"spk_101944_council_member","speaker_confidence":0.7,"start_sec":9598.83,"end_sec":9599.88,"text":"I'll bring the greens.","topics_json":"[]","vector_id":"vec_seg_101944_340","created_at":"2026-10-31T08:06:29Z","speaker_name":null},{"id":"seg_101944_341","meeting_id":"101944","media_asset_id":"med_101944_14427beca4965cc4","agenda_item_id":null,"speaker_id":"off_andre_m_boggerty","speaker_confidence":0.9,"start_sec":9599.88,"end_sec":9602.11,"text":"The- the naysayers get no food, Ms. Arndt.","topics_json":"[]","vector_id":"vec_seg_101944_341","created_at":"2026-10-31T08:06:29Z","speaker_name":"Andre M. Boggerty"},{"id":"seg_101944_342","meeting_id":"101944","media_asset_id":"med_101944_14427beca4965cc4","agenda_item_id":null,"speaker_id":"off_roy_sudler_jr","speaker_confidence":0.95,"start_sec":9603.74,"end_sec":9607.61,"text":"Whatever- whatever you want. It'll be a buffet style, Sudler buffet style.","topics_json":"[]","vector_id":"vec_seg_101944_342","created_at":"2026-10-31T08:06:29Z","speaker_name":"Roy Sudler, Jr."},{"id":"seg_101944_343","meeting_id":"101944","media_asset_id":"med_101944_14427beca4965cc4","agenda_item_id":null,"speaker_id":"off_david_l_anderson","speaker_confidence":0.95,"start_sec":9633.88,"end_sec":9662.84,"text":"I- I don't think- I don't think tough questions are criticisms. I think they're- they're either going to make the proposal better, or they're going to give us a better direction. One of the two. And I- I think, uh, I think no one should be hesitant to- to voice concerns, because, um, uh, that's part of, uh, what makes it work. I'd rather hear concerns now than in the courtroom, if something could have been addressed and- and changed or whatever. Anyway, that's- well, if, uh- okay. For real this time, second? Without objection, we stand adjourned, and turn it back over to Council President.","topics_json":"[]","vector_id":"vec_seg_101944_343","created_at":"2026-10-31T08:06:29Z","speaker_name":"David L. Anderson"},{"id":"seg_101944_344","meeting_id":"101944","media_asset_id":"med_101944_14427beca4965cc4","agenda_item_id":null,"speaker_id":"off_fred_a_neil","speaker_confidence":0.95,"start_sec":9662.84,"end_sec":9665,"text":"And this Council session is now adjourned.","topics_json":"[]","vector_id":"vec_seg_101944_344","created_at":"2026-10-31T08:06:29Z","speaker_name":"Fred A. Neil"},{"id":"seg_101944_35","meeting_id":"101944","media_asset_id":"med_101944_14427beca4965cc4","agenda_item_id":null,"speaker_id":"off_roy_sudler_jr","speaker_confidence":1,"start_sec":1179.67,"end_sec":1236.27,"text":"How we sort of advocated for College Road to be um, expedited in the process, but I believe Councilman Hosfelt at that time, um, his daughter had got to a really bad accident, and it wasn't just because of his daughter getting accident, but it sort of, um, helped us to to to see the need even further than what we than what we saw, you know, and so um, I think that's been some time, right? Councilman Rocha, um, and I think were you, I think you were on the board then, too, on Council then, too, and Anderson. So, um, I do believe that College Road needs to get the, uh, attention. And so please continue to advocate for College Road, especially with, you know, the students and the mobile, um, units that they use, transportation units that they use, becoming more trendy. So, uh, that's all I have. But thank you very much for your your report and update. I yield. Thank you.","topics_json":"[\"public_safety\"]","vector_id":"vec_seg_101944_35","created_at":"2026-10-31T08:06:28Z","speaker_name":"Roy Sudler, Jr."},{"id":"seg_101944_36","meeting_id":"101944","media_asset_id":"med_101944_14427beca4965cc4","agenda_item_id":null,"speaker_id":"off_andre_m_boggerty","speaker_confidence":1,"start_sec":1236.27,"end_sec":1237.47,"text":"Thank you. Anybody else?","topics_json":"[]","vector_id":"vec_seg_101944_36","created_at":"2026-10-31T08:06:28Z","speaker_name":"Andre M. Boggerty"},{"id":"seg_101944_37","meeting_id":"101944","media_asset_id":"med_101944_14427beca4965cc4","agenda_item_id":null,"speaker_id":"spk_101944_chunk2_speaker","speaker_confidence":0,"start_sec":1237.47,"end_sec":1317.07,"text":"And the last statement, um, speaking of those roads and even over in and on that side, uh, it seems like we're expanding the roads, and while it while it's made while it's a great thing, now we have and and and please know I'm an advocate for those in the trucking industry, but they park there now. So because we made the roads wider, like we have a truck truck that I think that's College Road as we get ready to turn on Kenton Road that parks right before the merge lane. Um, and it's kind of hard to see, and/or if somebody's walking, you know, it it becomes a blind spot for them as well. Um, so if we could consider, uh, asking, um, what are the plans, I know we don't want any idling idling of 18 wheelers in in certain areas, but we have our constituents who drive 18 wheelers. We have a 18 wheeler school right here in Um, um, and we appreciate that, but somehow we need a plan where where individuals can park their trucks safely with no idling, of course. Um, so I don't know if that's the city or or we take that to the county because, um, it's becoming of an issue. I think is that did I miss it at the 50 point? Oh no, is it it was at","topics_json":"[\"public_safety\"]","vector_id":"vec_seg_101944_37","created_at":"2026-10-31T08:06:28Z","speaker_name":null},{"id":"seg_101944_38","meeting_id":"101944","media_asset_id":"med_101944_14427beca4965cc4","agenda_item_id":null,"speaker_id":"spk_101944_sharon_duca","speaker_confidence":0.9,"start_sec":1317.07,"end_sec":1326.87,"text":"The uh development uh regulations freight issues involve includes what you're mentioning there.","topics_json":"[]","vector_id":"vec_seg_101944_38","created_at":"2026-10-31T08:06:28Z","speaker_name":"Sharon Duca"},{"id":"seg_101944_39","meeting_id":"101944","media_asset_id":"med_101944_14427beca4965cc4","agenda_item_id":null,"speaker_id":"spk_101944_chunk2_speaker","speaker_confidence":0,"start_sec":1326.87,"end_sec":1329.97,"text":"Yeah.","topics_json":"[]","vector_id":"vec_seg_101944_39","created_at":"2026-10-31T08:06:28Z","speaker_name":null},{"id":"seg_101944_4","meeting_id":"101944","media_asset_id":"med_101944_14427beca4965cc4","agenda_item_id":null,"speaker_id":"off_fred_a_neil","speaker_confidence":0.95,"start_sec":23.5,"end_sec":28.5,"text":"It's moved and seconded. Any discussion? All in favor, please say aye.","topics_json":"[]","vector_id":"vec_seg_101944_4","created_at":"2026-10-31T08:06:28Z","speaker_name":"Fred A. Neil"},{"id":"seg_101944_40","meeting_id":"101944","media_asset_id":"med_101944_14427beca4965cc4","agenda_item_id":null,"speaker_id":"off_andre_m_boggerty","speaker_confidence":1,"start_sec":1329.97,"end_sec":1356.97,"text":"Thank you. Uh, so yeah the freight issues. So just to know we just want to make sure that it's that. Thank you. I must have missed that. Outside of that, uh, anyone, um, Ms. Kemp, is there anything you would like to address? Okay, Ms. Kemp. Uh, Dr. Jackson, any others? With that said, um, there's no um, the the, yep, the, uh, um, a move for","topics_json":"[]","vector_id":"vec_seg_101944_40","created_at":"2026-10-31T08:06:28Z","speaker_name":"Andre M. 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Neil"},{"id":"seg_101944_43","meeting_id":"101944","media_asset_id":"med_101944_14427beca4965cc4","agenda_item_id":null,"speaker_id":"off_andre_m_boggerty","speaker_confidence":1,"start_sec":1368.17,"end_sec":1372.27,"text":"Properly moved and seconded. Are you ready for the question? All those in favor signify by saying aye.","topics_json":"[]","vector_id":"vec_seg_101944_43","created_at":"2026-10-31T08:06:28Z","speaker_name":"Andre M. 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Boggerty"},{"id":"seg_101944_46","meeting_id":"101944","media_asset_id":"med_101944_14427beca4965cc4","agenda_item_id":null,"speaker_id":"spk_101944_sharon_duca","speaker_confidence":1,"start_sec":1389.17,"end_sec":1724.17,"text":"Good evening, Sharon Duca, City Manager. Um We've prepared a presentation for this evening. And tonight we have with us, uh Dawn Melson-Williams, Principal Planner, uh Kay Sass, the Emergency Management and Communications Director. We also have Jason Osika, the Fire Marshal, and again Jason Lyon, Assistant City Manager, uh who can uh help answer certain questions regarding some of this presentation, or if further dis- discussion warrants it. Um, basically, uh it starts off with zoning here in the City of Dover. Um All land in the City of Dover is assigned a zoning district, and those ze- zoning regulations outline the types of use that's permitted on a particular parcel. Uh, whether it's residential, commercial, industrial, institutional, and so forth. Um The zoning regulations also feature uh lot size, building height, things of that nature, to uh to address the features of the parcel and the adjoining area. Um, these regulations can be found in Appendix B of the City of Dover Code of Ordinances, uh, listed as Zoning Ordinance. Uh, there also are various zoning overlay districts which include additional design regulations depending on where you're located within the city. Um, for each zoning district, there are listed permitted uses, which are uses allowable by right. There's conditional uses that are allowed through the use of a conditional use application, and there's prohibited uses. Um, if a use is not listed in a zoning district, it's considered uh not allowed within that zone. The flow chart shown on this slide basically shows uh the procedure, um, simplified, of course. Um, prohibited uses, uh obviously you cannot move forward with those in that zoning district. Um, there's permitted uses, which you can either go to a site development plan process, um, this Planning Commission, administrative plan reviews, which leads to the permit process, um, part further evaluation by building code, fire code in the Planning Office, and then that leads to business and occupancy licenses. There's also the conditional use off to the right there. Um, it also has a sp- a particular application process and goes through the Planning Commission. Um, once approved by the Planning Commission, that then jumps in in the permit process, uh, that's listed under the permitted uses. Uh, it should be noted that the conditional use application process is outlined in the Zoning Ordinance in Article 10, Section 1. The applications are submitted to the Planning Commission for review, and they are the approving authority, um, for that process. In terms of definitions, uh in the Zoning Ordinance, there's the definition of an emergency shelter, which is a facility providing temporary housing to homeless or transient persons in a dormitory-style setting. Such as facility may also provide or facilitate other social services, including counseling or vocational training. According to the Delaware Code, an emergency housing shelter is a temporary shelter uh that provides short-term housing and supportive services, uh for a period of 90 days or less. The um City Dover Code, as I mentioned, references dormitory-style setting. Uh that is further defined as a building, or a space in a building, which accommodates more than 16 persons who are not members of the same family. There's also a lodging or rooming house, uh which accommodates uh up to 16 people in a transient or permanent basis. Um, it should be noted that in terms of uh emergency sheltering uh and sheltering in general, the Delaware State Housing Authority, which is now known as Housing Delaware, um was involved with the June 11th, 2026, uh Governor Meyer uh and Housing Delaware announced the Hope Center expansion in Kent County, which was a former DSU facility, and before that, it was the Sheraton Inn. Uh, city staff has been in regular contact with the director and Housing Cabinet Secre- Secretary Matthew Heckles and have placed inquiries regarding the facilities uh that Dr. Sudler has mentioned uh regarding state facilities that could be available. Uh, staff is still reviewing other options at that time. Uh, so at this point, we're open to any questions of staff regarding this, um, or we could just be available during discussion.","topics_json":"[\"homelessness\",\"housing\",\"zoning\"]","vector_id":"vec_seg_101944_46","created_at":"2026-10-31T08:06:28Z","speaker_name":"Sharon Duca"},{"id":"seg_101944_47","meeting_id":"101944","media_asset_id":"med_101944_14427beca4965cc4","agenda_item_id":null,"speaker_id":"off_andre_m_boggerty","speaker_confidence":1,"start_sec":1724.17,"end_sec":1804.67,"text":"Uh, thank you. Um, let me grab capture everybody. I want to uh also, be- before I recognize everybody, one thing that I Everybody pretty much knows my project, but one thing I want to make Could you bring to clarity is something that I'm experiencing with my project downtown that even though I was permit I have a permit, I have a permit I had to purchase to say that this area, I mean I had to pay to say that this building is zoned for for X, for whatever I'm working on, the functional use change, which now required me to, um, add a fire extinguish I'm not saying this for advocating for myself. It's just information. I I would never compromise myself. So, so now, because even though what my project fell into that zoning, my functional the functional use, because the Dollar General was there and they didn't It wasn't a gathering place as mine will be, um, it is it true or can you uh explain that func- It may be zoned, but usage may still may require different um, um, requirements? For example, now, that it it didn't have a s- a fire uh sprinkler system now because of my use change, I have to add one. Is that","topics_json":"[\"zoning\",\"public_safety\"]","vector_id":"vec_seg_101944_47","created_at":"2026-10-31T08:06:28Z","speaker_name":"Andre M. Boggerty"},{"id":"seg_101944_48","meeting_id":"101944","media_asset_id":"med_101944_14427beca4965cc4","agenda_item_id":null,"speaker_id":"spk_101944_sharon_duca","speaker_confidence":1,"start_sec":1804.67,"end_sec":1810.47,"text":"Right, so, um, and staff can certainly correct me if I err in any way,","topics_json":"[]","vector_id":"vec_seg_101944_48","created_at":"2026-10-31T08:06:28Z","speaker_name":"Sharon Duca"},{"id":"seg_101944_49","meeting_id":"101944","media_asset_id":"med_101944_14427beca4965cc4","agenda_item_id":null,"speaker_id":"off_andre_m_boggerty","speaker_confidence":1,"start_sec":1810.47,"end_sec":1820.47,"text":"And for the record, this is not advocating for myself. I'm paying for it. I just want other to know that when you change the use of something, even if it's zoned, there are additional requirements.","topics_json":"[\"zoning\"]","vector_id":"vec_seg_101944_49","created_at":"2026-10-31T08:06:28Z","speaker_name":"Andre M. Boggerty"},{"id":"seg_101944_5","meeting_id":"101944","media_asset_id":"med_101944_14427beca4965cc4","agenda_item_id":null,"speaker_id":"spk_101944_council_members","speaker_confidence":0.9,"start_sec":28.6,"end_sec":29.5,"text":"Aye.","topics_json":"[]","vector_id":"vec_seg_101944_5","created_at":"2026-10-31T08:06:28Z","speaker_name":null},{"id":"seg_101944_50","meeting_id":"101944","media_asset_id":"med_101944_14427beca4965cc4","agenda_item_id":null,"speaker_id":"spk_101944_sharon_duca","speaker_confidence":1,"start_sec":1820.47,"end_sec":1902.17,"text":"Right, so, um, it sounds like what you initially referenced was a zoning verification letter that you may have gotten. Um, from there, what as shown in the process with the flowchart, um, when those reviews come in for a plan review, um, permit applications, those are further reviewed by staff, including the fire marshal, public works, water wastewater, and so forth. And depending on specifically what's happening there, um, as opposed to a general category, that could trigger different things depending on which section of code or, um, the NFPA or whatever they're looking at could be applicable.","topics_json":"[\"zoning\",\"public_safety\"]","vector_id":"vec_seg_101944_50","created_at":"2026-10-31T08:06:28Z","speaker_name":"Sharon Duca"},{"id":"seg_101944_51","meeting_id":"101944","media_asset_id":"med_101944_14427beca4965cc4","agenda_item_id":null,"speaker_id":"off_andre_m_boggerty","speaker_confidence":1,"start_sec":1902.17,"end_sec":1958.17,"text":"Right, because you're the use may trigger other I just wanted to, and again, I had to learn the hard way, but, I mean, the right way, uh, but the use may may require different, uh, different requirements. So, that's in a layman's terms. I just wanted to pull that out that somebody say, \"I'm zoned for this.\" Yeah, but you're using it for this, which is strict. So, I just wanted to put that in, um, to let you know that that's that's a thing. The chair recognizes Councilman Dr. Sudler and right after that, I believe, uh, Councilman Anderson, did you have a Okay.","topics_json":"[\"zoning\"]","vector_id":"vec_seg_101944_51","created_at":"2026-10-31T08:06:28Z","speaker_name":"Andre M. Boggerty"},{"id":"seg_101944_52","meeting_id":"101944","media_asset_id":"med_101944_14427beca4965cc4","agenda_item_id":null,"speaker_id":"off_roy_sudler_jr","speaker_confidence":1,"start_sec":1958.17,"end_sec":2070.97,"text":"All right, thank you for recognizing me, Chairman Boggerty. Um, I must say also thank, we've had to thank, uh, Mayor Robin R. Christiansen, who also was part of the discussion in regards to possibly using the family court as a daytime hub. So, I definitely want to give him, um, some recognition, um, in regards to that matter. But I think that anything that we can come up with, uh, for a solution, uh, as an alternative would be, um, a great opportunity for us to show and demonstrate that we do, um, support our unsheltered constituents. Um, I also want to state for the record, uh, that it is not just the local, um, government that is responsible, uh, for the unsheltered constituents. Um, all public servant representatives from the County Commission to the state legislators, um, we all have a stake, have are stakeholders as, um, public servants. So, you know, I disagree with anyone who believes that this is just a City of Dover thing just because, um, you know, downtown Dover is dealing with a lot of it. So, all of us need to be on board and be included in this effort. I want to thank you and Team Dover Team Dover 4, um, working on this. It's very important. Uh, I do believe that I don't just speak for myself. I think all council persons here or public servants would agree that, you know, we are concerned about the unsheltered and that we do, uh, want to make sure that they are okay. It's never okay to have a vulnerable population that, um, is, you know, unsheltered or not receiving the resources. However, I believe that those individuals who are unsheltered, if you need mental health resources, you should take advantage of mental health resources, or if you need housing or any resources that you need, I do believe that you should take advantage of that because I also believe that if you do not take advantage of that, then there's a fine line between, you know, mental health, um, concerns, unhoused concerns, and just criminal trespassing. And so, as well as, uh, compassion intervention, I believe we need to have compassion intervention on the front side, but on the back side, there still needs to be criminal intervention if they're not going to comply and continue to not get the services and, um, sort of, you know, um, encroach upon people's, uh, rights and their property and their enjoyment of their premises. Um, everyone has circumstances that, you know, is unfortunate, but if you have to be willing to seek the help that you need. And so, I just want to say that for the record. That's where I stand, and thank you for the work that you're doing for our unsheltered and mental health, um, a challenged constituents. I yield.","topics_json":"[\"homelessness\",\"housing\",\"public_safety\"]","vector_id":"vec_seg_101944_52","created_at":"2026-10-31T08:06:28Z","speaker_name":"Roy Sudler, Jr."},{"id":"seg_101944_53","meeting_id":"101944","media_asset_id":"med_101944_14427beca4965cc4","agenda_item_id":null,"speaker_id":"off_andre_m_boggerty","speaker_confidence":1,"start_sec":2070.97,"end_sec":2074.07,"text":"Thank you. Chair recognizes Councilman Anderson.","topics_json":"[]","vector_id":"vec_seg_101944_53","created_at":"2026-10-31T08:06:28Z","speaker_name":"Andre M. Boggerty"},{"id":"seg_101944_54","meeting_id":"101944","media_asset_id":"med_101944_14427beca4965cc4","agenda_item_id":null,"speaker_id":"off_david_l_anderson","speaker_confidence":1,"start_sec":2074.07,"end_sec":2077.27,"text":"Thank you, Mr. Chairman. Permission to dialogue?","topics_json":"[]","vector_id":"vec_seg_101944_54","created_at":"2026-10-31T08:06:28Z","speaker_name":"David L. Anderson"},{"id":"seg_101944_55","meeting_id":"101944","media_asset_id":"med_101944_14427beca4965cc4","agenda_item_id":null,"speaker_id":"off_andre_m_boggerty","speaker_confidence":1,"start_sec":2077.27,"end_sec":2078.27,"text":"Permission granted.","topics_json":"[]","vector_id":"vec_seg_101944_55","created_at":"2026-10-31T08:06:28Z","speaker_name":"Andre M. Boggerty"},{"id":"seg_101944_56","meeting_id":"101944","media_asset_id":"med_101944_14427beca4965cc4","agenda_item_id":null,"speaker_id":"off_david_l_anderson","speaker_confidence":1,"start_sec":2078.27,"end_sec":2163.67,"text":"Thank you. Um, I want to thank you for the time and and putting this uh, report together. I do have uh, several questions, um, that relate to it. Uh, the 90 days, the City of Dover doesn't have anything different from that, is that correct? We're relying uh, for that definition solely on the state law? That's correct. Okay. Now, uh, back in the not too distant, we used to have, um, yeah, a rotating, it wasn't an issue, we used to have a rotating cycle, um, and then COVID came and interrupted that. Um, uh, the, um, I I guess the first question that I have is, um, if tomorrow were December 1st, and the nighttime temperature was going to be, uh, approximately, uh, 28°, um, what would happen? Where what what would Where would we go from here, what would be the the the plan if tomorrow were December 1st?","topics_json":"[\"homelessness\",\"code_purple\"]","vector_id":"vec_seg_101944_56","created_at":"2026-10-31T08:06:28Z","speaker_name":"David L. Anderson"},{"id":"seg_101944_57","meeting_id":"101944","media_asset_id":"med_101944_14427beca4965cc4","agenda_item_id":null,"speaker_id":"spk_101944_sharon_duca","speaker_confidence":1,"start_sec":2163.67,"end_sec":2170.67,"text":"I think I'd like to bring up Kay Sass, who's, uh, been working on emergency plan related to these types of things.","topics_json":"[\"homelessness\",\"code_purple\"]","vector_id":"vec_seg_101944_57","created_at":"2026-10-31T08:06:28Z","speaker_name":"Sharon Duca"},{"id":"seg_101944_58","meeting_id":"101944","media_asset_id":"med_101944_14427beca4965cc4","agenda_item_id":null,"speaker_id":"off_david_l_anderson","speaker_confidence":1,"start_sec":2170.67,"end_sec":2173.67,"text":"I appreciate that. Thank you.","topics_json":"[]","vector_id":"vec_seg_101944_58","created_at":"2026-10-31T08:06:28Z","speaker_name":"David L. Anderson"},{"id":"seg_101944_59","meeting_id":"101944","media_asset_id":"med_101944_14427beca4965cc4","agenda_item_id":null,"speaker_id":"spk_101944_kay_sass","speaker_confidence":1,"start_sec":2173.67,"end_sec":2224.87,"text":"Good evening. Thank you. Kay Sass. So thankfully tomorrow's not December 1st, right? One of the big issues that we kind of ran into this year is we started this early in the year. We waited until right after the winter weather, so in March, we started this process to try to get compliance with everything to make sure everything was good to go. Um when it became apparent that that wasn't going to happen, we started reaching out to different folks throughout the community. I don't really want to drop names and I certainly don't want to drop organizations or affiliates right now beyond that uh because nothing is in stone yet, but we've been working quite diligently with other folks around the community to make some other plans just in case sort of thing. We don't know for sure what's going to happen, um but I believe that we'll get to a point come December 1st that something will be in place.","topics_json":"[\"homelessness\",\"code_purple\"]","vector_id":"vec_seg_101944_59","created_at":"2026-10-31T08:06:28Z","speaker_name":"Kay Sass"},{"id":"seg_101944_6","meeting_id":"101944","media_asset_id":"med_101944_14427beca4965cc4","agenda_item_id":null,"speaker_id":"off_fred_a_neil","speaker_confidence":0.95,"start_sec":29.6,"end_sec":41.5,"text":"Seeing none, all those uh uh I recognize the chairman, Andre Boggerty, to conduct the business of the Safety Advisory and Transportation Committee. The floor is yours, sir.","topics_json":"[]","vector_id":"vec_seg_101944_6","created_at":"2026-10-31T08:06:28Z","speaker_name":"Fred A. Neil"},{"id":"seg_101944_60","meeting_id":"101944","media_asset_id":"med_101944_14427beca4965cc4","agenda_item_id":null,"speaker_id":"off_david_l_anderson","speaker_confidence":1,"start_sec":2224.87,"end_sec":2298.47,"text":"And and that you are we we've had conversations, and I know that you're working very diligently. Um, but I know some things are still in play, and that that concerns me greatly, as you can imagine. Um, what is um uh, so my my big concern is we've uh we've uh discouraged uh the existing capability without having in place the expansion, and uh and that that concerns me. I I With the Hope Center, um they were hoping to be open by December 1st. However, um uh things are just getting started and and uh the word I keep getting back is they can't be don't have any guarantees, they're not sure they can. Um, have you heard any What's the latest feedback you've heard from uh Dr. Heckles, Secretary Heckles, and the like and in that crew?","topics_json":"[\"homelessness\",\"housing\",\"code_purple\"]","vector_id":"vec_seg_101944_60","created_at":"2026-10-31T08:06:28Z","speaker_name":"David L. Anderson"},{"id":"seg_101944_61","meeting_id":"101944","media_asset_id":"med_101944_14427beca4965cc4","agenda_item_id":null,"speaker_id":"spk_101944_kay_sass","speaker_confidence":1,"start_sec":2298.47,"end_sec":2359.34,"text":"So, again, I don't really want to disclose what the entities um plans are. I mean, I think you we all know as much as what the next one knows. I can say he's very hopeful. Um he's got a plan in place of starting with specific areas and having those evaluated. Jason uh Osika and I, the fire marshal and deputy emergency management director, he and I have been in constant communication as well. Um we're very familiar with the building uh because of Jason doing stuff for the fire marshal's office, of the fact that there are areas in the facility, first, the building is compliant, right? There are areas in the facility that are properly sprinkle- sprinkled, sprinklered, and sorry, and could be used, as right? Right? Has sprinklers. So, um, but could be used in an emergency sort of situation. So, I've I've posed that question, and we've had a lot of dialogue back and forth.","topics_json":"[\"homelessness\",\"public_safety\",\"code_purple\"]","vector_id":"vec_seg_101944_61","created_at":"2026-10-31T08:06:28Z","speaker_name":"Kay Sass"},{"id":"seg_101944_62","meeting_id":"101944","media_asset_id":"med_101944_14427beca4965cc4","agenda_item_id":null,"speaker_id":"off_david_l_anderson","speaker_confidence":0.95,"start_sec":2359.34,"end_sec":2392.48,"text":"for it. But with that, now he had recently said that he was going to uh reach out to existing organizations uh to help. Is that part of a a plan um to to try to get uh staffing, volunteers, etcetera, um because it Because you obviously, just having the facilities, well, even if if we get the facility up and running, that's one thing. But it takes more than just having the facility. Uh there's a whole plan that has to go in place uh regarding everything from Well, I don't have to tell you.","topics_json":"[\"homelessness\",\"housing\"]","vector_id":"vec_seg_101944_62","created_at":"2026-10-31T08:06:28Z","speaker_name":"David L. Anderson"},{"id":"seg_101944_63","meeting_id":"101944","media_asset_id":"med_101944_14427beca4965cc4","agenda_item_id":null,"speaker_id":"spk_101944_sharon_duca","speaker_confidence":0.95,"start_sec":2392.48,"end_sec":2393.48,"text":"Right. Absolutely with that.","topics_json":"[\"homelessness\"]","vector_id":"vec_seg_101944_63","created_at":"2026-10-31T08:06:28Z","speaker_name":"Sharon Duca"},{"id":"seg_101944_64","meeting_id":"101944","media_asset_id":"med_101944_14427beca4965cc4","agenda_item_id":null,"speaker_id":"off_david_l_anderson","speaker_confidence":0.95,"start_sec":2393.48,"end_sec":2395.13,"text":"I'll just ask you the question for time.","topics_json":"[]","vector_id":"vec_seg_101944_64","created_at":"2026-10-31T08:06:28Z","speaker_name":"David L. 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I'll be there to help as well.","topics_json":"[\"homelessness\"]","vector_id":"vec_seg_101944_65","created_at":"2026-10-31T08:06:28Z","speaker_name":"Sharon Duca"},{"id":"seg_101944_66","meeting_id":"101944","media_asset_id":"med_101944_14427beca4965cc4","agenda_item_id":null,"speaker_id":"off_david_l_anderson","speaker_confidence":0.95,"start_sec":2437.56,"end_sec":2455.45,"text":"And uh now the one of the questions has to do with once um now once they start I think would Correct me if I'm wrong. Is the plan basically to try to start in an emergency capacity and then uh build up to a program For the Hope Center?","topics_json":"[\"homelessness\",\"housing\"]","vector_id":"vec_seg_101944_66","created_at":"2026-10-31T08:06:28Z","speaker_name":"David L. Anderson"},{"id":"seg_101944_67","meeting_id":"101944","media_asset_id":"med_101944_14427beca4965cc4","agenda_item_id":null,"speaker_id":"spk_101944_sharon_duca","speaker_confidence":0.95,"start_sec":2455.45,"end_sec":2456.12,"text":"For the Hope Center?","topics_json":"[\"homelessness\"]","vector_id":"vec_seg_101944_67","created_at":"2026-10-31T08:06:28Z","speaker_name":"Sharon Duca"},{"id":"seg_101944_68","meeting_id":"101944","media_asset_id":"med_101944_14427beca4965cc4","agenda_item_id":null,"speaker_id":"off_david_l_anderson","speaker_confidence":0.95,"start_sec":2456.12,"end_sec":2456.78,"text":"Yes.","topics_json":"[]","vector_id":"vec_seg_101944_68","created_at":"2026-10-31T08:06:28Z","speaker_name":"David L. Anderson"},{"id":"seg_101944_69","meeting_id":"101944","media_asset_id":"med_101944_14427beca4965cc4","agenda_item_id":null,"speaker_id":"spk_101944_sharon_duca","speaker_confidence":0.95,"start_sec":2456.78,"end_sec":2492.57,"text":"Yep. So yeah, that's exactly it. They have multi phases that they're looking at doing. So when they start implementation, they're going to start with, you know, one section of an emergency sort of sheltering, and then they're going to build their programming from there.","topics_json":"[\"homelessness\",\"housing\"]","vector_id":"vec_seg_101944_69","created_at":"2026-10-31T08:06:28Z","speaker_name":"Sharon Duca"},{"id":"seg_101944_7","meeting_id":"101944","media_asset_id":"med_101944_14427beca4965cc4","agenda_item_id":null,"speaker_id":"off_andre_m_boggerty","speaker_confidence":0.95,"start_sec":41.6,"end_sec":51.5,"text":"Good uh good evening, everyone. Thank you, council president. Um, I I move to call the uh Safety Advisory and Transportation Committee in order. I move for adoption of the agenda.","topics_json":"[]","vector_id":"vec_seg_101944_7","created_at":"2026-10-31T08:06:28Z","speaker_name":"Andre M. Boggerty"},{"id":"seg_101944_70","meeting_id":"101944","media_asset_id":"med_101944_14427beca4965cc4","agenda_item_id":null,"speaker_id":"off_david_l_anderson","speaker_confidence":0.95,"start_sec":2492.57,"end_sec":2502.52,"text":"So, um do they have have they anyone thought have they thought about the transportation issues? Uh Or has that been discussed?","topics_json":"[\"homelessness\",\"public_safety\"]","vector_id":"vec_seg_101944_70","created_at":"2026-10-31T08:06:28Z","speaker_name":"David L. Anderson"},{"id":"seg_101944_71","meeting_id":"101944","media_asset_id":"med_101944_14427beca4965cc4","agenda_item_id":null,"speaker_id":"spk_101944_sharon_duca","speaker_confidence":0.95,"start_sec":2502.52,"end_sec":2503.84,"text":"There has been discussion.","topics_json":"[]","vector_id":"vec_seg_101944_71","created_at":"2026-10-31T08:06:28Z","speaker_name":"Sharon Duca"},{"id":"seg_101944_72","meeting_id":"101944","media_asset_id":"med_101944_14427beca4965cc4","agenda_item_id":null,"speaker_id":"off_david_l_anderson","speaker_confidence":0.95,"start_sec":2503.84,"end_sec":2506.49,"text":"Still Still working on it though, right?","topics_json":"[]","vector_id":"vec_seg_101944_72","created_at":"2026-10-31T08:06:28Z","speaker_name":"David L. Anderson"},{"id":"seg_101944_73","meeting_id":"101944","media_asset_id":"med_101944_14427beca4965cc4","agenda_item_id":null,"speaker_id":"spk_101944_sharon_duca","speaker_confidence":0.95,"start_sec":2506.49,"end_sec":2566.15,"text":"I mean part of that's, you know, DelDOT's inclusion and DART um for additional conversation. But when you're dealing with a state entity dealing with other state entities, it's a little bit easier communication inside than what it is for me to call up each and every entity and ask where they stand on it. And, you know, we have a lot of people I want to just kind of jump back a little bit. And I certainly do not want to call anybody out that's behind me in this room, right? But we have a lot of people that are really experts in running sheltering that at one time had even offered to volunteer. I don't want to lose that. I don't want to belittle that. We need to know that value, and we need to appreciate that value that's been given throughout the years for the community, right? So I hope that partnership continues to proceed forward.","topics_json":"[\"homelessness\"]","vector_id":"vec_seg_101944_73","created_at":"2026-10-31T08:06:28Z","speaker_name":"Sharon Duca"},{"id":"seg_101944_74","meeting_id":"101944","media_asset_id":"med_101944_14427beca4965cc4","agenda_item_id":null,"speaker_id":"off_david_l_anderson","speaker_confidence":0.95,"start_sec":2566.15,"end_sec":2590.01,"text":"Ex- exactly. Cuz sometimes uh uh the state government It's always well-intentioned. Um I don't knock that at all. But uh sometimes they will sort of big-foot things. And uh And sometimes, under the big foot, things get crushed that that already exist, and that's uh that's a definite concern that I have that when it comes to transitions, etcetera.","topics_json":"[\"homelessness\"]","vector_id":"vec_seg_101944_74","created_at":"2026-10-31T08:06:28Z","speaker_name":"David L. Anderson"},{"id":"seg_101944_75","meeting_id":"101944","media_asset_id":"med_101944_14427beca4965cc4","agenda_item_id":null,"speaker_id":"spk_101944_sharon_duca","speaker_confidence":0.95,"start_sec":2590.01,"end_sec":2706.67,"text":"Well, I think that can happen at any layer any tier of government as far as that goes, any organization. Um I personally I feel like one place that Delaware lacks in social services is the state that I'm from 30 years ago. Um but they still do it this way. The state gets the money, and then the state distributes it at the county level, and the counties are able to distribute it as they see fit, right? By the state having the control over the funds, we're really kind of we tie our hands. The city is not a social service agency, you know, just piggybacking off of what Dr. Sudler was saying. We try to do what we can do. We try to provide what we can provide. I work with the Red Cross regularly. We're getting one of our facilities has been um approved. We just went through this. Uh I just had the inspection a week and a half ago. Um during a emergency disaster that we can actually utilize it as a Red Cross facility at this point. So we're going through that MOU and working through those right now. But there's, you know, there's so many different avenues that we can take, but it really Everything is limited when it comes to finances, and that ties everybody's hands whether you're a non-profit organization, whether you're government or it's you or I sitting in our own budgets, right, in our own bank accounts. Everything is really limited by money. So we're trying to do exactly what we can do to be able to provide something and have something as a plan B, something as a plan C. You know, we're not just settling with one backup plan. We're working on multiple avenues to be able to make sure we have something in place.","topics_json":"[\"homelessness\",\"budget\"]","vector_id":"vec_seg_101944_75","created_at":"2026-10-31T08:06:28Z","speaker_name":"Sharon Duca"},{"id":"seg_101944_76","meeting_id":"101944","media_asset_id":"med_101944_14427beca4965cc4","agenda_item_id":null,"speaker_id":"off_david_l_anderson","speaker_confidence":0.95,"start_sec":2706.67,"end_sec":2711.31,"text":"Uh uh, you know, would it be easier if I just uh wrote you a check for $10 million?","topics_json":"[\"budget\"]","vector_id":"vec_seg_101944_76","created_at":"2026-10-31T08:06:28Z","speaker_name":"David L. Anderson"},{"id":"seg_101944_77","meeting_id":"101944","media_asset_id":"med_101944_14427beca4965cc4","agenda_item_id":null,"speaker_id":"spk_101944_sharon_duca","speaker_confidence":0.95,"start_sec":2711.31,"end_sec":2713.3,"text":"I will take it. I can start building tomorrow.","topics_json":"[\"budget\"]","vector_id":"vec_seg_101944_77","created_at":"2026-10-31T08:06:28Z","speaker_name":"Sharon Duca"},{"id":"seg_101944_78","meeting_id":"101944","media_asset_id":"med_101944_14427beca4965cc4","agenda_item_id":null,"speaker_id":"off_david_l_anderson","speaker_confidence":0.95,"start_sec":2713.3,"end_sec":2715.95,"text":"Even if it's Even if it's Sim Sim dollars, you know, from uh","topics_json":"[]","vector_id":"vec_seg_101944_78","created_at":"2026-10-31T08:06:28Z","speaker_name":"David L. Anderson"},{"id":"seg_101944_79","meeting_id":"101944","media_asset_id":"med_101944_14427beca4965cc4","agenda_item_id":null,"speaker_id":"spk_101944_sharon_duca","speaker_confidence":0.95,"start_sec":2715.95,"end_sec":2717.28,"text":"Right, Sim money.","topics_json":"[]","vector_id":"vec_seg_101944_79","created_at":"2026-10-31T08:06:28Z","speaker_name":"Sharon Duca"},{"id":"seg_101944_8","meeting_id":"101944","media_asset_id":"med_101944_14427beca4965cc4","agenda_item_id":null,"speaker_id":"off_gerald_l_rocha_sr","speaker_confidence":0.9,"start_sec":51.6,"end_sec":56.5,"text":"Move to adopt the agenda for the uh Safety Advisory Transportation Committee.","topics_json":"[]","vector_id":"vec_seg_101944_8","created_at":"2026-10-31T08:06:28Z","speaker_name":"Gerald L. Rocha, Sr."},{"id":"seg_101944_80","meeting_id":"101944","media_asset_id":"med_101944_14427beca4965cc4","agenda_item_id":null,"speaker_id":"off_david_l_anderson","speaker_confidence":0.95,"start_sec":2717.28,"end_sec":2855.15,"text":"Right, Sim money, right? Uh that's it's about the $10 million I have. It's all in Sim money. Um the um Well, I it it is a concern uh because uh we may you know, I if we get information uh uh can we please you know, we utilize the newsletter and other avenues to keep us informed uh as more solid information come because the community is desperately concerned. I remember about over a dozen years ago back when before we had the Code Purple situation and, you know, how hard it was uh and how many people were literally dying in the streets uh from the cold. And uh those aren't days I want to see us return to, and neither do you nor does anyone else here. And so um uh you know, so, you know, please forgive uh that uh going to keep inquiring, keep checking, keep coming whatever because uh because uh that that concern uh really comes from the heart, and I yeah, there's people There's names that we know, you know, from from those times, and uh I know uh my my wife could tell you about people that she uh worked with who didn't make it because of the cold, and and um you know, and it's uh yeah, and anyway, I that it's just uh very it it's you know, that deadline is just ticking, and it just uh bothers me because now we're we're only uh what it What are we, about 34 days away?","topics_json":"[\"homelessness\",\"code_purple\"]","vector_id":"vec_seg_101944_80","created_at":"2026-10-31T08:06:28Z","speaker_name":"David L. Anderson"},{"id":"seg_101944_81","meeting_id":"101944","media_asset_id":"med_101944_14427beca4965cc4","agenda_item_id":null,"speaker_id":"spk_101944_sharon_duca","speaker_confidence":0.95,"start_sec":2855.15,"end_sec":2855.81,"text":"That's correct.","topics_json":"[]","vector_id":"vec_seg_101944_81","created_at":"2026-10-31T08:06:28Z","speaker_name":"Sharon Duca"},{"id":"seg_101944_82","meeting_id":"101944","media_asset_id":"med_101944_14427beca4965cc4","agenda_item_id":null,"speaker_id":"off_david_l_anderson","speaker_confidence":0.95,"start_sec":2855.81,"end_sec":2856.48,"text":"And that","topics_json":"[]","vector_id":"vec_seg_101944_82","created_at":"2026-10-31T08:06:28Z","speaker_name":"David L. Anderson"},{"id":"seg_101944_83","meeting_id":"101944","media_asset_id":"med_101944_14427beca4965cc4","agenda_item_id":null,"speaker_id":"spk_101944_sharon_duca","speaker_confidence":0.95,"start_sec":2856.48,"end_sec":2857.14,"text":"on all all of our minds, too.","topics_json":"[]","vector_id":"vec_seg_101944_83","created_at":"2026-10-31T08:06:28Z","speaker_name":"Sharon Duca"},{"id":"seg_101944_84","meeting_id":"101944","media_asset_id":"med_101944_14427beca4965cc4","agenda_item_id":null,"speaker_id":"off_david_l_anderson","speaker_confidence":0.95,"start_sec":2857.14,"end_sec":2891.61,"text":"that time just goes so quickly. I have uh I'm fair, so I'm going to yield the floor. And um And if there's time, I may come back. Thank you.","topics_json":"[]","vector_id":"vec_seg_101944_84","created_at":"2026-10-31T08:06:28Z","speaker_name":"David L. Anderson"},{"id":"seg_101944_85","meeting_id":"101944","media_asset_id":"med_101944_14427beca4965cc4","agenda_item_id":null,"speaker_id":"off_roy_sudler_jr","speaker_confidence":0.95,"start_sec":2891.61,"end_sec":2895.58,"text":"Thank you. Um the chair recognizes Councilman Lewis and then Councilman Rocha in that order. Councilman Lewis.","topics_json":"[]","vector_id":"vec_seg_101944_85","created_at":"2026-10-31T08:06:28Z","speaker_name":"Roy Sudler, Jr."},{"id":"seg_101944_86","meeting_id":"101944","media_asset_id":"med_101944_14427beca4965cc4","agenda_item_id":null,"speaker_id":"off_brian_e_lewis","speaker_confidence":0.95,"start_sec":2895.58,"end_sec":3033.46,"text":"Thank you. Uh we could be entering, as you know, a serious dilemma here, and the city is going to be suffering the brunt of this because we do not have the resources, everyone knows, and it's going to take the state to come in and assist us with this whole ordeal. Um we're talking about the old Sheraton, um the proposed new Kent Hope Center, um but we can talk till we're blue in the face. Um there's no guarantees. So my concern is, what is our contingency plan if the state bails out, they don't assist us, they don't get this Kent County Hope Center up and running? Um I mean, there was good ideas brought up about the old Morris Correctional Center, the old Family Court, but I don't know, to be honest with you, because I used to work for DOC and I worked in that facility, if that would be up to par to start moving people in there to run um a shelter because they have uh multiple issues in there. It's an old building, and there's a reason why it's been closed. So, taking that off the table, you have the old Family Courthouse. Um I don't believe I was ever in that courthouse since I resided down here in the city of Dover, so I don't know what it looks like inside uh or how you would possibly, if the state offered that building, house homeless in there or propose it as an emergency shelter. And I'm going to get to some questions with regard to emergency shelters in a minute with Ms. Duca. But, again, what's our contingency plan, as a city, if the state don't intervene?","topics_json":"[\"homelessness\",\"housing\"]","vector_id":"vec_seg_101944_86","created_at":"2026-10-31T08:06:28Z","speaker_name":"Brian E. Lewis"},{"id":"seg_101944_87","meeting_id":"101944","media_asset_id":"med_101944_14427beca4965cc4","agenda_item_id":null,"speaker_id":"spk_101944_sharon_duca","speaker_confidence":0.95,"start_sec":3033.46,"end_sec":3095.76,"text":"So, starting again, I had I've spoken with uh Mr. Heckles from Delaware State Housing Authority. Well, Housing Delaware now. Um and that was for the Hope Center. 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So there are some means there to get us going on this. There are people who are experts who have also have materials that could be used in another location. You know, is there still the chance that another entity I'm really trying to be cautious how I'm phrasing this, right? I don't want to point fingers anywhere. But is there a chance that another entity is willing to still move forward with other options? I don't know that answer. I don't know. But I know what we're planning on doing, what we have as a plan B. Plan A, of course, was that everything was done on time and everything was running hunky-dory again for the season. Plan B is going towards the Hope Center. Plan C is looking at the other two state facilities. Plan D would be looking at our own facility.","topics_json":"[\"homelessness\",\"code_purple\"]","vector_id":"vec_seg_101944_89","created_at":"2026-10-31T08:06:28Z","speaker_name":"Sharon Duca"},{"id":"seg_101944_9","meeting_id":"101944","media_asset_id":"med_101944_14427beca4965cc4","agenda_item_id":null,"speaker_id":"spk_101944_unknown_speaker","speaker_confidence":0.7,"start_sec":56.6,"end_sec":57.8,"text":"Seconded, Mr. Chair.","topics_json":"[]","vector_id":"vec_seg_101944_9","created_at":"2026-10-31T08:06:28Z","speaker_name":null},{"id":"seg_101944_90","meeting_id":"101944","media_asset_id":"med_101944_14427beca4965cc4","agenda_item_id":null,"speaker_id":"off_brian_e_lewis","speaker_confidence":0.95,"start_sec":3221.7,"end_sec":3259.49,"text":"Under- Understood, um but my concern is with the time constraints, too. Um have you reached out to any of the churches? And the reason I'm asking you this question is uh because, as you are aware, I've known you for a long time now. And uh I have been involved uh in volunteering and assisting the homeless population before I even moved down to this state. And back when I first arrived here, um before Code Purple even existed, we used to, and this was under uh Dover Interfaith Homeless Shelter with Jeanine Kleimo and all, we used to um transition the homeless around to sleep in different churches. We would do it like one church accommodated them one week, another another. Correct. Um have you reached out to any churches if, in fact, we get into a bind, if they would be willing to go back to what was previously done years ago?","topics_json":"[\"homelessness\",\"code_purple\"]","vector_id":"vec_seg_101944_90","created_at":"2026-10-31T08:06:28Z","speaker_name":"Brian E. Lewis"},{"id":"seg_101944_91","meeting_id":"101944","media_asset_id":"med_101944_14427beca4965cc4","agenda_item_id":null,"speaker_id":"spk_101944_sharon_duca","speaker_confidence":0.95,"start_sec":3259.49,"end_sec":3307.21,"text":"I've not. Jason Osika and myself have looked at various facilities that are properly zoned, have the sprinklers, um and we've had additional conversations internally, but until we kind of get a little bit better feel I'm going to be meeting with Mr. Heckles soon. Um so I'm hoping to get something a little more concrete from the state, and you can trust that when push comes to shove and I have that volunteer form, I will walk up to each and every one of you asking you to sign up for a shift. So,","topics_json":"[\"homelessness\",\"zoning\"]","vector_id":"vec_seg_101944_91","created_at":"2026-10-31T08:06:28Z","speaker_name":"Sharon Duca"},{"id":"seg_101944_92","meeting_id":"101944","media_asset_id":"med_101944_14427beca4965cc4","agenda_item_id":null,"speaker_id":"off_brian_e_lewis","speaker_confidence":0.95,"start_sec":3307.21,"end_sec":3390.73,"text":"You you you know you got my signature already, because I've been doing this. But um I just again don't want to see us get into a bind because we're getting close, and uh that's why I'm asking these questions um because if, in fact, the state don't come through, and uh I have to be positive and hope that they do, uh and I, you know, hope the governor sees what's going on here uh through the media reports and everything and uh he intervenes uh with his housing secretary at at this juncture. But uh I I don't want to see this city get into a situation where we have tents popped over uh popped up uh in city parks and, you know, on corners. I mean, I see them right now popped up uh down at Legislative Hall. I mean, there's not a lot, there's few, but if if if nothing's done and, you know, you can have 50 down there. You know, what do you do?","topics_json":"[\"homelessness\",\"housing\"]","vector_id":"vec_seg_101944_92","created_at":"2026-10-31T08:06:28Z","speaker_name":"Brian E. 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So I I just got to keep working our way with them, and, you know, pray a little, and hope a little, and keep on planning.","topics_json":"[\"homelessness\"]","vector_id":"vec_seg_101944_93","created_at":"2026-10-31T08:06:29Z","speaker_name":"Sharon Duca"},{"id":"seg_101944_94","meeting_id":"101944","media_asset_id":"med_101944_14427beca4965cc4","agenda_item_id":null,"speaker_id":"off_brian_e_lewis","speaker_confidence":0.95,"start_sec":3388.74,"end_sec":3390.07,"text":"All right, keep on plugging away, okay?","topics_json":"[]","vector_id":"vec_seg_101944_94","created_at":"2026-10-31T08:06:28Z","speaker_name":"Brian E. 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So, um, in fact, it's my understanding that's the reason it was pulled from the agenda is that there is no ordinance to be considered.","topics_json":"[]","vector_id":"vec_seg_95019_102","created_at":"2026-10-31T07:16:44Z","speaker_name":null},{"id":"seg_95019_103","meeting_id":"95019","media_asset_id":"med_95019_c81cfa7cbdc87508","agenda_item_id":null,"speaker_id":"off_brian_e_lewis","speaker_confidence":0.95,"start_sec":1205.46,"end_sec":1215.86,"text":"Mr. Solicitor, it is on the agenda, though, and I have every right, okay, to pull something from the consent agenda to ask questions. I wasn't at that meeting, and I have the right to ask questions.","topics_json":"[]","vector_id":"vec_seg_95019_103","created_at":"2026-10-31T07:16:44Z","speaker_name":"Brian E. 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I make a motion that is removed from the consent agenda for discussion.","topics_json":"[]","vector_id":"vec_seg_95019_106","created_at":"2026-10-31T07:16:44Z","speaker_name":"Brian E. Lewis"},{"id":"seg_95019_107","meeting_id":"95019","media_asset_id":"med_95019_c81cfa7cbdc87508","agenda_item_id":null,"speaker_id":"off_fred_a_neil","speaker_confidence":0.95,"start_sec":1236.96,"end_sec":1241.46,"text":"Okay, we have a motion on the floor. Is there any discussion?","topics_json":"[]","vector_id":"vec_seg_95019_107","created_at":"2026-10-31T07:16:44Z","speaker_name":"Fred A. Neil"},{"id":"seg_95019_108","meeting_id":"95019","media_asset_id":"med_95019_c81cfa7cbdc87508","agenda_item_id":null,"speaker_id":"off_fred_a_neil","speaker_confidence":0.95,"start_sec":1241.76,"end_sec":1243.46,"text":"Yes, Councilman Anderson.","topics_json":"[]","vector_id":"vec_seg_95019_108","created_at":"2026-10-31T07:16:44Z","speaker_name":"Fred A. 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I'm kind of new to this, so what you're saying is--","topics_json":"[]","vector_id":"vec_seg_95019_11","created_at":"2026-10-31T07:16:43Z","speaker_name":"Laurie Alberts"},{"id":"seg_95019_110","meeting_id":"95019","media_asset_id":"med_95019_c81cfa7cbdc87508","agenda_item_id":null,"speaker_id":"spk_95019_unidentified_speaker","speaker_confidence":0.6,"start_sec":1273.56,"end_sec":1274.96,"text":"I don't think so.","topics_json":"[]","vector_id":"vec_seg_95019_110","created_at":"2026-10-31T07:16:44Z","speaker_name":null},{"id":"seg_95019_111","meeting_id":"95019","media_asset_id":"med_95019_c81cfa7cbdc87508","agenda_item_id":null,"speaker_id":"off_fred_a_neil","speaker_confidence":0.95,"start_sec":1275.16,"end_sec":1276.96,"text":"Any additional question?","topics_json":"[]","vector_id":"vec_seg_95019_111","created_at":"2026-10-31T07:16:44Z","speaker_name":"Fred A. 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So","topics_json":"[]","vector_id":"vec_seg_95019_115","created_at":"2026-10-31T07:16:44Z","speaker_name":null},{"id":"seg_95019_116","meeting_id":"95019","media_asset_id":"med_95019_c81cfa7cbdc87508","agenda_item_id":null,"speaker_id":"off_andre_m_boggerty","speaker_confidence":0.9,"start_sec":1304.95,"end_sec":1311.55,"text":"Well Council Council decides what's on the agenda. It's not up to individuals to decide what's on the agenda.","topics_json":"[]","vector_id":"vec_seg_95019_116","created_at":"2026-10-31T07:16:44Z","speaker_name":"Andre M. Boggerty"},{"id":"seg_95019_117","meeting_id":"95019","media_asset_id":"med_95019_c81cfa7cbdc87508","agenda_item_id":null,"speaker_id":"off_fred_a_neil","speaker_confidence":0.9,"start_sec":1311.75,"end_sec":1316.75,"text":"Yes, but- Councilman uh Sudler-","topics_json":"[]","vector_id":"vec_seg_95019_117","created_at":"2026-10-31T07:16:44Z","speaker_name":"Fred A. 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There he is.","topics_json":"[]","vector_id":"vec_seg_95019_210","created_at":"2026-10-31T07:16:44Z","speaker_name":null},{"id":"seg_95019_211","meeting_id":"95019","media_asset_id":"med_95019_c81cfa7cbdc87508","agenda_item_id":null,"speaker_id":"spk_95019_fred_a_neil","speaker_confidence":0.95,"start_sec":1700.74,"end_sec":1711.44,"text":"...and Mayor Christiansen and Mike Walker, GIS Manager, to the podium for the presentation, and request the City Clerk to read the proclamation into the record.","topics_json":"[]","vector_id":"vec_seg_95019_211","created_at":"2026-10-31T07:16:44Z","speaker_name":null},{"id":"seg_95019_212","meeting_id":"95019","media_asset_id":"med_95019_c81cfa7cbdc87508","agenda_item_id":null,"speaker_id":"spk_95019_unknown_speaker","speaker_confidence":0.5,"start_sec":1721.14,"end_sec":1723.14,"text":"Yes. 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And whereas, GIS technology is used daily to improve public safety, transportation, environmental management, public health, utilities, economic development, and many other essential services. And whereas, Geography Awareness Week, observed November 16th through 22nd, 2025, and GIS Day, observed on Wednesday, November 19th, 2025, highlight the importance of geographic literacy, promote greater understanding of the interconnected world, and inspire future generations to explore careers in geography, geospatial sciences, and technology. And whereas, these observances provide an opportunity to recognize the dedicated professionals, educators, and students who use GIS and geographic knowledge to solve problems, expand learning, and foster innovation. And whereas, increasing public awareness of geography and GIS enhances civic engagement, strengthens communities, and helps citizens better understand their world. Now, therefore, I, Robin R. Christiansen, Mayor of the City of Dover, Delaware, do hereby proclaim November 19th, 2025,","topics_json":"[\"public_safety\"]","vector_id":"vec_seg_95019_214","created_at":"2026-10-31T07:16:44Z","speaker_name":null},{"id":"seg_95019_215","meeting_id":"95019","media_asset_id":"med_95019_c81cfa7cbdc87508","agenda_item_id":null,"speaker_id":"spk_95019_city_clerk","speaker_confidence":0.9,"start_sec":1818.94,"end_sec":1837.14,"text":"as GIS Day, and November 16th through 22nd, 2025, as Geography Awareness Week in the City of Dover, and encourage all residents to recognize the value of geographic education and GIS technology in shaping a smarter, safer, and more sustainable future.","topics_json":"[]","vector_id":"vec_seg_95019_215","created_at":"2026-10-31T07:16:44Z","speaker_name":null},{"id":"seg_95019_216","meeting_id":"95019","media_asset_id":"med_95019_c81cfa7cbdc87508","agenda_item_id":null,"speaker_id":"off_robin_r_christiansen","speaker_confidence":0.95,"start_sec":1837.14,"end_sec":1849.44,"text":"Thank you, Madam Clerk. Thank you, Mr. President. On behalf of myself, the members of the City Council, and the citizens that we serve, I am honored to present you with this proclamation. You got a puppy cover so you get 3 minutes.","topics_json":"[]","vector_id":"vec_seg_95019_216","created_at":"2026-10-31T07:16:44Z","speaker_name":"Robin R. Christiansen"},{"id":"seg_95019_217","meeting_id":"95019","media_asset_id":"med_95019_c81cfa7cbdc87508","agenda_item_id":null,"speaker_id":"spk_95019_city_staff","speaker_confidence":0.9,"start_sec":1855.24,"end_sec":1925.94,"text":"All right. Mayor Christiansen, esteemed council members, thank you for the opportunity to accept this proclamation. Uh, it's an exciting day for me and my small but mighty team. Um, I wanted to just highlight a couple of accomplishments that we've that we've done this year. Um, we can We've improved our network stability, which is, uh, was long overdue. We've, uh, upgraded our enterprise system that is going to be helping, uh, stay current with the latest technology, helps us with the best capabilities, and it will help, um, efficiencies with our utility our utilities across the city, um, so that we can better manage those utilities and the data within it. So, um, it was a big year for us, and I'm excited to see what we do in this upcoming year with all those improvements. Um, on November 19th, we'll be celebrating GIS Day internally with staff. Um, we've we've developed a site where people can come and check out those highlights, um, and then they can play a little game, um, um, just to test your knowledge on a few area-","topics_json":"[]","vector_id":"vec_seg_95019_217","created_at":"2026-10-31T07:16:44Z","speaker_name":null},{"id":"seg_95019_218","meeting_id":"95019","media_asset_id":"med_95019_c81cfa7cbdc87508","agenda_item_id":null,"speaker_id":"spk_95019_chunk19_speaker","speaker_confidence":0.85,"start_sec":1925.93,"end_sec":1951.33,"text":"is around town that have changed. Um and then, I know the state as a whole is going to be doing something at the Air Force base for, I think they're going to be doing field trips for fifth-grade students, so. Um I just really encourage everybody to, on this day and next week, um look at the importance of locations and what relationships those have in the world around you. Thank you.","topics_json":"[]","vector_id":"vec_seg_95019_218","created_at":"2026-10-31T07:16:44Z","speaker_name":null},{"id":"seg_95019_219","meeting_id":"95019","media_asset_id":"med_95019_c81cfa7cbdc87508","agenda_item_id":null,"speaker_id":"off_robin_r_christiansen","speaker_confidence":0.9,"start_sec":1951.73,"end_sec":1952.93,"text":"Thank you.","topics_json":"[]","vector_id":"vec_seg_95019_219","created_at":"2026-10-31T07:16:44Z","speaker_name":"Robin R. Christiansen"},{"id":"seg_95019_22","meeting_id":"95019","media_asset_id":"med_95019_c81cfa7cbdc87508","agenda_item_id":null,"speaker_id":"off_fred_a_neil","speaker_confidence":0.95,"start_sec":291.39,"end_sec":296.19,"text":"So you can talk about it now, and you can talk about it when it comes back.","topics_json":"[]","vector_id":"vec_seg_95019_22","created_at":"2026-10-31T07:16:43Z","speaker_name":"Fred A. Neil"},{"id":"seg_95019_220","meeting_id":"95019","media_asset_id":"med_95019_c81cfa7cbdc87508","agenda_item_id":null,"speaker_id":"off_fred_a_neil","speaker_confidence":0.95,"start_sec":1960.53,"end_sec":1972.93,"text":"Now we have the public hearing and final reading, proposed Ordinance 2025-15, rezoning requests by the Lands of Bayhealth Medical Center, consisting of","topics_json":"[\"zoning\"]","vector_id":"vec_seg_95019_220","created_at":"2026-10-31T07:16:44Z","speaker_name":"Fred A. Neil"},{"id":"seg_95019_221","meeting_id":"95019","media_asset_id":"med_95019_c81cfa7cbdc87508","agenda_item_id":null,"speaker_id":"off_fred_a_neil","speaker_confidence":0.95,"start_sec":1973.33,"end_sec":2032.93,"text":"1.0035 acres located at the southwest corner of South State Street and South South State Street and South Street. The property is currently zoned for R-G-O, General Resident and Office Zone, and subject to the W- S- WPOZ Source Water Protection Overlay Zone, and proposed zoning to I-O, Institutional and Office Zone, and subject to the W- S- WPOZ Source Water Protection Overlay Zone. The first reading of the proposed ordinance was accomplished during the council meeting of September 22nd, 2025. The ordinance is available at the entrance of the council chamber and on the city's website at www.cityofdover.com under Government. First, I'll entertain a motion to consider the final reading of the proposed ordinance by title only.","topics_json":"[\"zoning\"]","vector_id":"vec_seg_95019_221","created_at":"2026-10-31T07:16:44Z","speaker_name":"Fred A. 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I am Dawn Melson-Williams, the principal planner for the city's planning office. Um, and this evening, uh, our office, by way of the Planning Commission, brings this zoning request. It is zoning file number Z-25-01 and being considered under ordinance number 2025-15. Um, as noted, this is property that is owned by the Bayhealth, uh, Medical Center, Inc. It is located at 600 South State Street. Uh, it's about a 1-acre parcel that is shown in the brilliant yellow in the center of the image on the screen. Um, it is, uh, currently a, uh, two-story brick building, which the hospital utilizes as office space. Uh, the property currently is zoned RG-O, which is the General Residence and Office zone for the city and subject to the","topics_json":"[\"zoning\"]","vector_id":"vec_seg_95019_230","created_at":"2026-10-31T07:16:44Z","speaker_name":"Dawn Melson-Williams"},{"id":"seg_95019_231","meeting_id":"95019","media_asset_id":"med_95019_c81cfa7cbdc87508","agenda_item_id":null,"speaker_id":"spk_95019_dawn_melson_williams","speaker_confidence":0.95,"start_sec":2139.92,"end_sec":2142.12,"text":"source water protection overlay zone.","topics_json":"[\"zoning\"]","vector_id":"vec_seg_95019_231","created_at":"2026-10-31T07:16:44Z","speaker_name":"Dawn Melson-Williams"},{"id":"seg_95019_232","meeting_id":"95019","media_asset_id":"med_95019_c81cfa7cbdc87508","agenda_item_id":null,"speaker_id":"spk_95019_dawn_melson_williams","speaker_confidence":0.95,"start_sec":2142.72,"end_sec":2156.42,"text":"The request from the property owner is to rezone the property to IO, institutional and office zone, with it remaining subject to the source water protection overlay zone.","topics_json":"[\"zoning\"]","vector_id":"vec_seg_95019_232","created_at":"2026-10-31T07:16:44Z","speaker_name":"Dawn Melson-Williams"},{"id":"seg_95019_233","meeting_id":"95019","media_asset_id":"med_95019_c81cfa7cbdc87508","agenda_item_id":null,"speaker_id":"spk_95019_dawn_melson_williams","speaker_confidence":0.95,"start_sec":2157.12,"end_sec":2170.92,"text":"This application for rezoning was part of the Planning Commission meeting held on October 20th of 2025, where a public hearing was conducted at that meeting.","topics_json":"[\"zoning\"]","vector_id":"vec_seg_95019_233","created_at":"2026-10-31T07:16:44Z","speaker_name":"Dawn Melson-Williams"},{"id":"seg_95019_234","meeting_id":"95019","media_asset_id":"med_95019_c81cfa7cbdc87508","agenda_item_id":null,"speaker_id":"spk_95019_dawn_melson_williams","speaker_confidence":0.95,"start_sec":2171.22,"end_sec":2181.42,"text":"Six members of the public spoke at that meeting, and the meeting minutes from that Planning Commission meeting were included in tonight's City Council packet.","topics_json":"[\"zoning\"]","vector_id":"vec_seg_95019_234","created_at":"2026-10-31T07:16:44Z","speaker_name":"Dawn Melson-Williams"},{"id":"seg_95019_235","meeting_id":"95019","media_asset_id":"med_95019_c81cfa7cbdc87508","agenda_item_id":null,"speaker_id":"spk_95019_dawn_melson_williams","speaker_confidence":0.95,"start_sec":2181.72,"end_sec":2202.72,"text":"The Planning Commission did make a motion to recommend approval of rezoning of this property from RGO with the source water protection overlay zone to the IO, the institutional and office zone, and remaining subject to the source water protection overlay zone.","topics_json":"[\"zoning\"]","vector_id":"vec_seg_95019_235","created_at":"2026-10-31T07:16:44Z","speaker_name":"Dawn Melson-Williams"},{"id":"seg_95019_236","meeting_id":"95019","media_asset_id":"med_95019_c81cfa7cbdc87508","agenda_item_id":null,"speaker_id":"spk_95019_dawn_melson_williams","speaker_confidence":0.95,"start_sec":2203.32,"end_sec":2214.92,"text":"With all rezonings, we look to the city's comprehensive plan. The comprehensive plan has a land use category of institutional for this location.","topics_json":"[\"zoning\"]","vector_id":"vec_seg_95019_236","created_at":"2026-10-31T07:16:44Z","speaker_name":"Dawn Melson-Williams"},{"id":"seg_95019_237","meeting_id":"95019","media_asset_id":"med_95019_c81cfa7cbdc87508","agenda_item_id":null,"speaker_id":"spk_95019_dawn_melson_williams","speaker_confidence":0.95,"start_sec":2215.32,"end_sec":2239.92,"text":"The comprehensive plan further delineates that the goals of government and institutional land uses is to maintain and improve the city's position as a city, as a center of government, education, and medicine through the support of existing institutions and encouraging well-designed campuses that are integrated into the community and have room to expand.","topics_json":"[\"zoning\"]","vector_id":"vec_seg_95019_237","created_at":"2026-10-31T07:16:44Z","speaker_name":"Dawn Melson-Williams"},{"id":"seg_95019_238","meeting_id":"95019","media_asset_id":"med_95019_c81cfa7cbdc87508","agenda_item_id":null,"speaker_id":"spk_95019_dawn_melson_williams","speaker_confidence":0.95,"start_sec":2240.82,"end_sec":2246.72,"text":"The rest of this block, if you will, that is bounded by...","topics_json":"[\"zoning\"]","vector_id":"vec_seg_95019_238","created_at":"2026-10-31T07:16:44Z","speaker_name":"Dawn Melson-Williams"},{"id":"seg_95019_239","meeting_id":"95019","media_asset_id":"med_95019_c81cfa7cbdc87508","agenda_item_id":null,"speaker_id":"spk_95019_dawn_melson_williams","speaker_confidence":0.95,"start_sec":2246.92,"end_sec":2353.92,"text":"South Street, South State Street, Hope Street, and South Governors Avenue is already zoned IO, and that is where we find the main, um, Bayhealth, uh, Kent Campus hospital building that we know today. That's been at that location, um, for almost 100 years at this point. Um, the IO, Institutional and Office zone, is more fully described in the zoning ordinance in Article 10 that's uh, Article 3, Section 10, um, and the IO zone would allow for things such as, um, different types of office uses, banks, um, research, design, development laboratories, um, public and institutional uses, and it does, uh, specifically note hospitals, um, public utility rights-of-way structures, uh, childcare, uh, centers, uh, emergency shelters and transitional housing, and adult day care facilities. Additionally, there are several conditional uses, which would require a special review process with the Planning Commission in order to be established. And there are also, um, accessory uses and, um, other uses that are specifically prohibited. In looking at, um, the this request for rezoning, uh, the planning staff did provide a, uh, recommendation on the rezoning. Uh, the city planner report is, uh, made part of the council packet, and it, um, in that report, we note that the the location meets and fits the goals of the city's comprehensive plan, um, and that it would","topics_json":"[\"zoning\",\"housing\"]","vector_id":"vec_seg_95019_239","created_at":"2026-10-31T07:16:44Z","speaker_name":"Dawn Melson-Williams"},{"id":"seg_95019_24","meeting_id":"95019","media_asset_id":"med_95019_c81cfa7cbdc87508","agenda_item_id":null,"speaker_id":"off_fred_a_neil","speaker_confidence":0.95,"start_sec":297.19,"end_sec":302.49,"text":"It's not on the agenda. In other words, there's no vote tonight on it.","topics_json":"[]","vector_id":"vec_seg_95019_24","created_at":"2026-10-31T07:16:43Z","speaker_name":"Fred A. 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A rezoning request also cannot lock it into one of those specific uses.","topics_json":"[\"zoning\"]","vector_id":"vec_seg_95019_240","created_at":"2026-10-31T07:16:44Z","speaker_name":"Dawn Melson-Williams"},{"id":"seg_95019_241","meeting_id":"95019","media_asset_id":"med_95019_c81cfa7cbdc87508","agenda_item_id":null,"speaker_id":"spk_95019_dawn_melson_williams","speaker_confidence":0.95,"start_sec":2376.1,"end_sec":2460.92,"text":"The Planning Commission, after hearing the staff report and comments from various agencies, conducted a public hearing, and as noted, six members of the public spoke. The Planning Commission ultimately, in considering the rezoning, looked at three factors: whether the uses permitted by the proposed change would be compatible with the existing uses and zones in the area, whether adequate public services and infrastructure exist or can be created, and whether the proposed change is in accordance with the city's current Comprehensive Plan. With those findings, the Planning Commission did recommend approval for rezoning. That is what we bring to Council tonight, and the Planning Commission is recommending approval of rezoning of this parcel of land to IO, Institutional and Office zone, with it remaining subject to the Source Water Protection Overlay Zone. Your meeting packet included a map location with more details and the meeting minutes from the Planning Commission, along with the comments from the Development Advisory Committee. So, this evening, the City Council","topics_json":"[\"zoning\"]","vector_id":"vec_seg_95019_241","created_at":"2026-10-31T07:16:44Z","speaker_name":"Dawn Melson-Williams"},{"id":"seg_95019_242","meeting_id":"95019","media_asset_id":"med_95019_c81cfa7cbdc87508","agenda_item_id":null,"speaker_id":"spk_95019_dawn_melson_williams","speaker_confidence":0.95,"start_sec":2460.91,"end_sec":2489.43,"text":"Council will conduct a public hearing. I believe the applicant um should be here. They may be in the lobby at the moment. Um, but uh, the hospital has uh representation that is intended to be here. Uh, imagine you'll hear from them as part of the public hearing process. Again, it's a request for rezoning um, and is part of uh proposed ordinance 2025-15.","topics_json":"[\"zoning\"]","vector_id":"vec_seg_95019_242","created_at":"2026-10-31T07:16:44Z","speaker_name":"Dawn Melson-Williams"},{"id":"seg_95019_243","meeting_id":"95019","media_asset_id":"med_95019_c81cfa7cbdc87508","agenda_item_id":null,"speaker_id":"off_robin_r_christiansen","speaker_confidence":0.95,"start_sec":2489.43,"end_sec":2508.87,"text":"Questions for the staff? From the staff? Hearing no questions from the staff, I declare the public hearing open. For anyone here who would like to speak in favor of the rezoning, each person is requested to state their name and address for the record.","topics_json":"[\"zoning\"]","vector_id":"vec_seg_95019_243","created_at":"2026-10-31T07:16:44Z","speaker_name":"Robin R. Christiansen"},{"id":"seg_95019_244","meeting_id":"95019","media_asset_id":"med_95019_c81cfa7cbdc87508","agenda_item_id":null,"speaker_id":"spk_95019_gregory_moore","speaker_confidence":0.95,"start_sec":2508.87,"end_sec":2567.91,"text":"Good evening. I'm Gregory Moore, Becker Morgan Group, 309 South Governors Avenue, Dover. And I'm here representing Bayhealth on this matter. And uh obviously speaking in favor. Um. The first The first thing is Bayhealth has been before you to explain their master planning efforts for the upgrade to the Bayhealth campus there. Uh this property has been owned by Bayhealth for a number of years. It was bought just after the last master plan in about 2007 and 2008. Um. We are wishing simply to change the zone on this property to be consistent with all the other properties that are owned by Bayhealth. I do have a a graphic here, and in blue you can see all of the properties. This is State Street, South Street, Governors Avenue. The blue is properties that are owned by Bayhealth.","topics_json":"[\"zoning\"]","vector_id":"vec_seg_95019_244","created_at":"2026-10-31T07:16:44Z","speaker_name":"Gregory Moore"},{"id":"seg_95019_245","meeting_id":"95019","media_asset_id":"med_95019_c81cfa7cbdc87508","agenda_item_id":null,"speaker_id":"spk_95019_bayhealth_representative","speaker_confidence":0.85,"start_sec":2567.91,"end_sec":2573.81,"text":"and the assumption Bayhealth owns them. So the property we're looking at is here, it is zoned RG-O.","topics_json":"[\"zoning\"]","vector_id":"vec_seg_95019_245","created_at":"2026-10-31T07:16:44Z","speaker_name":null},{"id":"seg_95019_246","meeting_id":"95019","media_asset_id":"med_95019_c81cfa7cbdc87508","agenda_item_id":null,"speaker_id":"spk_95019_city_staff","speaker_confidence":0.8,"start_sec":2573.81,"end_sec":2575.01,"text":"I put it up on the screen.","topics_json":"[\"zoning\"]","vector_id":"vec_seg_95019_246","created_at":"2026-10-31T07:16:44Z","speaker_name":null},{"id":"seg_95019_247","meeting_id":"95019","media_asset_id":"med_95019_c81cfa7cbdc87508","agenda_item_id":null,"speaker_id":"spk_95019_bayhealth_representative","speaker_confidence":0.85,"start_sec":2575.01,"end_sec":2603.11,"text":"It is the only property in this entire area that's not zoned IO, which is institutional office. And we are simply asking for that property to be consistently zoned with all of the remainder of the zones that surround it. And that would even include Holy Cross. We colored that differently showing that it's owned by Holy Cross, but it's also IO. So the entire area that surrounds this property is institutional office, and we are just trying to make consistency with that.","topics_json":"[\"zoning\"]","vector_id":"vec_seg_95019_247","created_at":"2026-10-31T07:16:44Z","speaker_name":null},{"id":"seg_95019_248","meeting_id":"95019","media_asset_id":"med_95019_c81cfa7cbdc87508","agenda_item_id":null,"speaker_id":"spk_95019_bayhealth_representative","speaker_confidence":0.85,"start_sec":2603.71,"end_sec":2623.31,"text":"The legal standard to prove for rezoning, there is the the a better version of that map on the on the drawing. You can see in the center of that is the proposed 10-story tower that we had approved in 2006. That is going to be phase one of our major master plan.","topics_json":"[\"zoning\"]","vector_id":"vec_seg_95019_248","created_at":"2026-10-31T07:16:44Z","speaker_name":null},{"id":"seg_95019_249","meeting_id":"95019","media_asset_id":"med_95019_c81cfa7cbdc87508","agenda_item_id":null,"speaker_id":"spk_95019_bayhealth_representative","speaker_confidence":0.85,"start_sec":2623.31,"end_sec":2674.91,"text":"But we're not here tonight for the master plan, we're here tonight just for the rezoning. And I want to make a couple of points. Dawn's done a nice job of discussing the legal standards of rezoning. The first thing we need to prove is that it is in character with the surrounding neighborhood. And clearly the IO zone completely surrounding that RG-O makes it in character. Bayhealth properties are all there to support the Bayhealth Medical Center, and this property is no different, so we just want to incorporate that into the rest. It is compatible with the surrounding neighborhood. The surrounding neighborhood is already owned and operating as part of the medical center function, with exception of the, what I would call heavier commercial on the opposite side of Governors Avenue, which have coexisted with the hospital for decades. And","topics_json":"[\"zoning\"]","vector_id":"vec_seg_95019_249","created_at":"2026-10-31T07:16:44Z","speaker_name":null},{"id":"seg_95019_25","meeting_id":"95019","media_asset_id":"med_95019_c81cfa7cbdc87508","agenda_item_id":null,"speaker_id":"spk_95019_laurie_alberts","speaker_confidence":0.95,"start_sec":305.89,"end_sec":308.59,"text":"Okay, I'm going to just talk about what I came to talk about anyway.","topics_json":"[]","vector_id":"vec_seg_95019_25","created_at":"2026-10-31T07:16:43Z","speaker_name":"Laurie Alberts"},{"id":"seg_95019_250","meeting_id":"95019","media_asset_id":"med_95019_c81cfa7cbdc87508","agenda_item_id":null,"speaker_id":"spk_95019_greg","speaker_confidence":0.9,"start_sec":2674.91,"end_sec":2708.01,"text":"they're very aware of what we're doing. They knew we had approval to, to expand our campus in 2006, and we are just doing that, that second phase. Um lastly, Dawn discussed clearly that it is consistent with the City of Dover's comprehensive plan, and the comprehensive plan even mentions this being institutional office, so we have that consistency. And then lastly, we had unanimous approval at the planning commission to recommend approval. So with that, I'll be glad to answer any questions that you might have on our behalf.","topics_json":"[\"zoning\"]","vector_id":"vec_seg_95019_250","created_at":"2026-10-31T07:16:44Z","speaker_name":"Greg"},{"id":"seg_95019_251","meeting_id":"95019","media_asset_id":"med_95019_c81cfa7cbdc87508","agenda_item_id":null,"speaker_id":"off_fred_a_neil","speaker_confidence":0.95,"start_sec":2708.01,"end_sec":2712.71,"text":"Any questions for Greg? Yes. Councilman, Dr. Sudler.","topics_json":"[]","vector_id":"vec_seg_95019_251","created_at":"2026-10-31T07:16:44Z","speaker_name":"Fred A. Neil"},{"id":"seg_95019_252","meeting_id":"95019","media_asset_id":"med_95019_c81cfa7cbdc87508","agenda_item_id":null,"speaker_id":"off_roy_sudler_jr","speaker_confidence":0.95,"start_sec":2712.71,"end_sec":2723.51,"text":"Thank you, Council President Neil for recognizing me. Um were there any opposition in regards to this initiative here, or was there any opposition? And if so, what was the nature of opposition?","topics_json":"[\"zoning\"]","vector_id":"vec_seg_95019_252","created_at":"2026-10-31T07:16:44Z","speaker_name":"Roy Sudler, Jr."},{"id":"seg_95019_253","meeting_id":"95019","media_asset_id":"med_95019_c81cfa7cbdc87508","agenda_item_id":null,"speaker_id":"spk_95019_greg","speaker_confidence":0.9,"start_sec":2723.51,"end_sec":2781.91,"text":"Um there were, there were a number of questions about what development plans we were doing. Um we were not presenting development plans. I, I outlined some of the initiatives the hospital is trying to do, and I'll do that now. Number one, we have to improve our emergency department timing. We have a lot of wait, and to do that, we have to add almost 200 beds in the hospital, and to add modern facilities, we need to be able to go up so that you can get up elevators quickly to the beds to see your loved ones or if you're the doctor getting around. Right now, our facility is very, very wide open. We have three or four different elevators. It's confusing. Elderly have a hard time walking down, so we're trying to go strictly vertical with our bed tower. There were questions about that, not specifically about the bed tower, but there was questions about traffic, there was questions about um drainage, there were questions","topics_json":"[\"zoning\"]","vector_id":"vec_seg_95019_253","created_at":"2026-10-31T07:16:44Z","speaker_name":"Greg"},{"id":"seg_95019_254","meeting_id":"95019","media_asset_id":"med_95019_c81cfa7cbdc87508","agenda_item_id":null,"speaker_id":"spk_95019_bayhealth_representative","speaker_confidence":0.85,"start_sec":2781.9,"end_sec":2797.1,"text":"about what exactly we were doing, and uh we are formalizing those plans. We will be back to the planning commission with a detailed plan of all of the improvements, and that will be heard separately at a later date. We have not submitted it yet.","topics_json":"[\"zoning\"]","vector_id":"vec_seg_95019_254","created_at":"2026-10-31T07:16:44Z","speaker_name":null},{"id":"seg_95019_255","meeting_id":"95019","media_asset_id":"med_95019_c81cfa7cbdc87508","agenda_item_id":null,"speaker_id":"off_andre_m_boggerty","speaker_confidence":0.75,"start_sec":2797.1,"end_sec":2810.4,"text":"I want to thank you for being open and transparent with the question. Uh I can I can understand the concern about traffic, but I hope that once that you do, you'll have a good plan for that. You'll have my support. Thank you. All right, yeah.","topics_json":"[\"zoning\"]","vector_id":"vec_seg_95019_255","created_at":"2026-10-31T07:16:44Z","speaker_name":"Andre M. Boggerty"},{"id":"seg_95019_256","meeting_id":"95019","media_asset_id":"med_95019_c81cfa7cbdc87508","agenda_item_id":null,"speaker_id":"spk_95019_bayhealth_representative","speaker_confidence":0.85,"start_sec":2810.4,"end_sec":2902.2,"text":"Just one thing I will add: um our addition of 200 beds is partly because of our growing community, but it is also because we have to eliminate dual-use dual-use rooms, where we have two beds in one room. So it actually sounds greater than it really is. What we're doing is taking a lot of dual-use rooms and putting them in individuals, which means we have to have more individual rooms. That's better healthcare, it's better for all of us, and that's a big initiative of the hospital. And lastly, it is the lack of beds that causes us problems in taking people from the ED and moving them into the beds. We get backed up, whether it's flu, whether it's COVID or whatever, and they stay in the in the emergency rooms, which keeps people in the waiting area to get to the rooms, and we have to do better at that. So it's a very important plan. Any other questions?","topics_json":"[\"zoning\"]","vector_id":"vec_seg_95019_256","created_at":"2026-10-31T07:16:44Z","speaker_name":null},{"id":"seg_95019_257","meeting_id":"95019","media_asset_id":"med_95019_c81cfa7cbdc87508","agenda_item_id":null,"speaker_id":"off_fred_a_neil","speaker_confidence":0.9,"start_sec":2902.2,"end_sec":2907.6,"text":"Any other questions? Hearing no other questions, I thank you very much.","topics_json":"[\"zoning\"]","vector_id":"vec_seg_95019_257","created_at":"2026-10-31T07:16:44Z","speaker_name":"Fred A. 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Neil"},{"id":"seg_95019_26","meeting_id":"95019","media_asset_id":"med_95019_c81cfa7cbdc87508","agenda_item_id":null,"speaker_id":"off_fred_a_neil","speaker_confidence":0.9,"start_sec":308.69,"end_sec":309.49,"text":"That's right.","topics_json":"[]","vector_id":"vec_seg_95019_26","created_at":"2026-10-31T07:16:43Z","speaker_name":"Fred A. Neil"},{"id":"seg_95019_260","meeting_id":"95019","media_asset_id":"med_95019_c81cfa7cbdc87508","agenda_item_id":null,"speaker_id":"spk_95019_stephon_pierce","speaker_confidence":0.95,"start_sec":2922.6,"end_sec":2928.9,"text":"Uh my name is Stephon Pierce. I currently reside in Dover, Delaware. I don't know if it's against--","topics_json":"[\"zoning\"]","vector_id":"vec_seg_95019_260","created_at":"2026-10-31T07:16:44Z","speaker_name":"Stephon Pierce"},{"id":"seg_95019_261","meeting_id":"95019","media_asset_id":"med_95019_c81cfa7cbdc87508","agenda_item_id":null,"speaker_id":"spk_95019_public_commenter","speaker_confidence":0.9,"start_sec":2888.9,"end_sec":2894.3,"text":"but I do have a few questions. So um, I'm sorry, where do you go? Oh. Oh, I'm sorry, what's your name?","topics_json":"[]","vector_id":"vec_seg_95019_261","created_at":"2026-10-31T07:16:44Z","speaker_name":null},{"id":"seg_95019_262","meeting_id":"95019","media_asset_id":"med_95019_c81cfa7cbdc87508","agenda_item_id":null,"speaker_id":"off_fred_a_neil","speaker_confidence":0.95,"start_sec":2894.7,"end_sec":2898.8,"text":"Ah, please, you we we have to record it.","topics_json":"[]","vector_id":"vec_seg_95019_262","created_at":"2026-10-31T07:16:44Z","speaker_name":"Fred A. 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Is this city-funded or privately funded?","topics_json":"[\"budget\",\"zoning\"]","vector_id":"vec_seg_95019_263","created_at":"2026-10-31T07:16:44Z","speaker_name":null},{"id":"seg_95019_264","meeting_id":"95019","media_asset_id":"med_95019_c81cfa7cbdc87508","agenda_item_id":null,"speaker_id":"spk_95019_bayhealth_representative","speaker_confidence":0.85,"start_sec":2910.7,"end_sec":2912.2,"text":"As far as","topics_json":"[]","vector_id":"vec_seg_95019_264","created_at":"2026-10-31T07:16:44Z","speaker_name":null},{"id":"seg_95019_265","meeting_id":"95019","media_asset_id":"med_95019_c81cfa7cbdc87508","agenda_item_id":null,"speaker_id":"off_fred_a_neil","speaker_confidence":0.9,"start_sec":2913,"end_sec":2919.1,"text":"Yeah, basically it's it's uh address Come down. It's not","topics_json":"[]","vector_id":"vec_seg_95019_265","created_at":"2026-10-31T07:16:44Z","speaker_name":"Fred A. 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So you would","topics_json":"[\"zoning\"]","vector_id":"vec_seg_95019_267","created_at":"2026-10-31T07:16:44Z","speaker_name":null},{"id":"seg_95019_268","meeting_id":"95019","media_asset_id":"med_95019_c81cfa7cbdc87508","agenda_item_id":null,"speaker_id":"spk_95019_bayhealth_representative","speaker_confidence":0.9,"start_sec":2944.3,"end_sec":2944.8,"text":"Yes.","topics_json":"[]","vector_id":"vec_seg_95019_268","created_at":"2026-10-31T07:16:44Z","speaker_name":null},{"id":"seg_95019_269","meeting_id":"95019","media_asset_id":"med_95019_c81cfa7cbdc87508","agenda_item_id":null,"speaker_id":"spk_95019_public_commenter","speaker_confidence":0.9,"start_sec":2944.8,"end_sec":2950.3,"text":"end up having Meaning what homes or businesses that currently reside in that area, you guys would proceed with ownership of that?","topics_json":"[\"housing\",\"business\",\"zoning\"]","vector_id":"vec_seg_95019_269","created_at":"2026-10-31T07:16:44Z","speaker_name":null},{"id":"seg_95019_27","meeting_id":"95019","media_asset_id":"med_95019_c81cfa7cbdc87508","agenda_item_id":null,"speaker_id":"spk_95019_laurie_alberts","speaker_confidence":0.95,"start_sec":309.79,"end_sec":320.99,"text":"Okay. It's very simply fining homeless people for being in the median is about the dumbest idea. Again, they can't afford to live,","topics_json":"[\"homelessness\",\"public_safety\"]","vector_id":"vec_seg_95019_27","created_at":"2026-10-31T07:16:43Z","speaker_name":"Laurie Alberts"},{"id":"seg_95019_270","meeting_id":"95019","media_asset_id":"med_95019_c81cfa7cbdc87508","agenda_item_id":null,"speaker_id":"spk_95019_bayhealth_representative","speaker_confidence":0.9,"start_sec":2950.8,"end_sec":2963.2,"text":"There are There are no homes There are no homes there. This is actually already operated by Bayhealth, it's an office. We'll continue to do that through our Phase 1, and then eventually as we grow, we will use it for another purpose.","topics_json":"[\"housing\",\"business\",\"zoning\"]","vector_id":"vec_seg_95019_270","created_at":"2026-10-31T07:16:44Z","speaker_name":null},{"id":"seg_95019_271","meeting_id":"95019","media_asset_id":"med_95019_c81cfa7cbdc87508","agenda_item_id":null,"speaker_id":"spk_95019_public_commenter","speaker_confidence":0.9,"start_sec":2963.4,"end_sec":2968.9,"text":"That makes sense. That does make sense, thank you. I just had those questions, because if so, I had further questions, but I yield my time.","topics_json":"[]","vector_id":"vec_seg_95019_271","created_at":"2026-10-31T07:16:44Z","speaker_name":null},{"id":"seg_95019_272","meeting_id":"95019","media_asset_id":"med_95019_c81cfa7cbdc87508","agenda_item_id":null,"speaker_id":"off_fred_a_neil","speaker_confidence":0.95,"start_sec":2975.7,"end_sec":2982.5,"text":"And are there other people here that want to speak for it? Okay. Please come down and state your name and address.","topics_json":"[]","vector_id":"vec_seg_95019_272","created_at":"2026-10-31T07:16:44Z","speaker_name":"Fred A. Neil"},{"id":"seg_95019_273","meeting_id":"95019","media_asset_id":"med_95019_c81cfa7cbdc87508","agenda_item_id":null,"speaker_id":"spk_95019_zach_prebula","speaker_confidence":0.95,"start_sec":2982.8,"end_sec":2995.9,"text":"Uh good evening, Zach Prebula, Director of Business Development with the Kent Economic Partnership located at 555 South Bay Road. Uh we're the economic development organization for Kent County, so we focus on business attraction, but also supporting local businesses looking to expand, and the","topics_json":"[\"business\"]","vector_id":"vec_seg_95019_273","created_at":"2026-10-31T07:16:44Z","speaker_name":"Zach Prebula"},{"id":"seg_95019_274","meeting_id":"95019","media_asset_id":"med_95019_c81cfa7cbdc87508","agenda_item_id":null,"speaker_id":"spk_95019_tyler_ross","speaker_confidence":0.95,"start_sec":2995.89,"end_sec":3011.49,"text":"Right here's a great example of one of our major employers, one of our most crucial businesses looking to do just that. So with this rezoning, by approving it, you can help them move their future plans forward by only having to focus on one zoning code rather than multiple, and allow them to operate more efficiently and effectively for our community. Thank you.","topics_json":"[\"zoning\",\"business\"]","vector_id":"vec_seg_95019_274","created_at":"2026-10-31T07:16:44Z","speaker_name":"Tyler Ross"},{"id":"seg_95019_275","meeting_id":"95019","media_asset_id":"med_95019_c81cfa7cbdc87508","agenda_item_id":null,"speaker_id":"off_fred_a_neil","speaker_confidence":0.95,"start_sec":3012.59,"end_sec":3017.89,"text":"If there are other people who want to speak for it, please step forward.","topics_json":"[\"zoning\"]","vector_id":"vec_seg_95019_275","created_at":"2026-10-31T07:16:44Z","speaker_name":"Fred A. Neil"},{"id":"seg_95019_276","meeting_id":"95019","media_asset_id":"med_95019_c81cfa7cbdc87508","agenda_item_id":null,"speaker_id":"spk_95019_mr_fast","speaker_confidence":0.9,"start_sec":3020.19,"end_sec":3032.49,"text":"I have two questions, and they're serious questions. One, if we're building up, do we have the apparatus for a fire company to remove people, God forbid there's a fire? 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The money could be The time and energy could be spent much better than trying to get $10 out of a homeless person, and if they don't pay it, what are you going to do? Incarcerate them? I mean, it makes no sense. Okay? The money should be spent on, and the ordinance should be, that mental health, case managers, whatever, should be going out there to find out what their problem is. If they can't get an ID because they don't have proper paperwork to prove who they are to get an ID, then somebody should hand-walk them and fix it. So that way they can get services and a job, and not be standing on the corner. That's what I got to say. Thank you.","topics_json":"[\"homelessness\",\"public_safety\"]","vector_id":"vec_seg_95019_28","created_at":"2026-10-31T07:16:43Z","speaker_name":null},{"id":"seg_95019_280","meeting_id":"95019","media_asset_id":"med_95019_c81cfa7cbdc87508","agenda_item_id":null,"speaker_id":"spk_95019_mr_fast","speaker_confidence":0.9,"start_sec":3042.89,"end_sec":3049.19,"text":"if we have to evacuate, do we have the tools to do so? My second question is to the administration and head in general,","topics_json":"[\"public_safety\"]","vector_id":"vec_seg_95019_280","created_at":"2026-10-31T07:16:44Z","speaker_name":"Mr. Fast"},{"id":"seg_95019_281","meeting_id":"95019","media_asset_id":"med_95019_c81cfa7cbdc87508","agenda_item_id":null,"speaker_id":"spk_95019_mr_fast","speaker_confidence":0.9,"start_sec":3049.49,"end_sec":3114.09,"text":"due to all the uptick of gun violence, has anyone considered about putting a trauma unit in? We are growing dramatically in this city. Um, I was a person flown from Smyrna to Christiana because there's no trauma center in Dover. We can save a lot of lives if we had trauma center in Dover, some form of a trauma center. So if you can answer those two questions, I'd be highly appreciative. Thank you.","topics_json":"[\"public_safety\"]","vector_id":"vec_seg_95019_281","created_at":"2026-10-31T07:16:44Z","speaker_name":"Mr. Fast"},{"id":"seg_95019_282","meeting_id":"95019","media_asset_id":"med_95019_c81cfa7cbdc87508","agenda_item_id":null,"speaker_id":"off_fred_a_neil","speaker_confidence":0.95,"start_sec":3114.79,"end_sec":3116.19,"text":"Mr. Mayor.","topics_json":"[]","vector_id":"vec_seg_95019_282","created_at":"2026-10-31T07:16:44Z","speaker_name":"Fred A. 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High-rise firefighting is not done from the outside, and the elevators that they're going to put in will be operated by the","topics_json":"[\"public_safety\",\"zoning\"]","vector_id":"vec_seg_95019_284","created_at":"2026-10-31T07:16:44Z","speaker_name":"Robin R. Christiansen"},{"id":"seg_95019_285","meeting_id":"95019","media_asset_id":"med_95019_c81cfa7cbdc87508","agenda_item_id":null,"speaker_id":"off_robin_r_christiansen","speaker_confidence":0.95,"start_sec":3102.89,"end_sec":3129.49,"text":"fire department where to go in location to make the rescue. But the hospital currently has a standpipe system and a fire pump and you take your equipment inside with your self-contained breathing apparatus and uh fight the fire from inside. So over 90 ft, the uh aerial trucks that we have uh are just that. They do the same thing in New York City. 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And a second question, and I don't know, is there any plans for a trauma center, or is that considered regional type of situation?","topics_json":"[]","vector_id":"vec_seg_95019_286","created_at":"2026-10-31T07:16:44Z","speaker_name":null},{"id":"seg_95019_287","meeting_id":"95019","media_asset_id":"med_95019_c81cfa7cbdc87508","agenda_item_id":null,"speaker_id":"spk_95019_bayhealth_representative","speaker_confidence":0.9,"start_sec":3144.39,"end_sec":3222.69,"text":"So, so as our communities grows, which it's doing, Bayhealth is continually adding new services. The heart program is one of those services that have been added in the last 10 years, cancer, etc. As our community continues to grow, Bayhealth will continue to add those new services as needed, and we need this campus expansion to be able to do that. And trauma would be one of those things on the radar screen for us to add in Dover as we do grow. I can't tell you that that's part of phase 1 or 2, but it will be part of our future plan to make sure we get that.","topics_json":"[\"zoning\"]","vector_id":"vec_seg_95019_287","created_at":"2026-10-31T07:16:44Z","speaker_name":null},{"id":"seg_95019_288","meeting_id":"95019","media_asset_id":"med_95019_c81cfa7cbdc87508","agenda_item_id":null,"speaker_id":"spk_95019_public_commenter","speaker_confidence":0.9,"start_sec":3222.69,"end_sec":3224.59,"text":"Thank you, sir.","topics_json":"[]","vector_id":"vec_seg_95019_288","created_at":"2026-10-31T07:16:44Z","speaker_name":null},{"id":"seg_95019_289","meeting_id":"95019","media_asset_id":"med_95019_c81cfa7cbdc87508","agenda_item_id":null,"speaker_id":"off_fred_a_neil","speaker_confidence":0.95,"start_sec":3224.59,"end_sec":3244.49,"text":"Any other questions for? Any other questions against? Anyone want to speak against? Okay. Um I now declare this public hearing closed. What is the pleasure of the council? Councilman Sudler.","topics_json":"[]","vector_id":"vec_seg_95019_289","created_at":"2026-10-31T07:16:44Z","speaker_name":"Fred A. Neil"},{"id":"seg_95019_29","meeting_id":"95019","media_asset_id":"med_95019_c81cfa7cbdc87508","agenda_item_id":null,"speaker_id":"off_robin_r_christiansen","speaker_confidence":0.95,"start_sec":432.29,"end_sec":434.29,"text":"Thank you. Madam Clerk.","topics_json":"[]","vector_id":"vec_seg_95019_29","created_at":"2026-10-31T07:16:43Z","speaker_name":"Robin R. Christiansen"},{"id":"seg_95019_290","meeting_id":"95019","media_asset_id":"med_95019_c81cfa7cbdc87508","agenda_item_id":null,"speaker_id":"off_roy_sudler_jr","speaker_confidence":0.95,"start_sec":3244.49,"end_sec":3249.89,"text":"Thank you, Council President Neil, for recognizing me. I move to accept staff recommendation—","topics_json":"[]","vector_id":"vec_seg_95019_290","created_at":"2026-10-31T07:16:44Z","speaker_name":"Roy Sudler, Jr."},{"id":"seg_95019_291","meeting_id":"95019","media_asset_id":"med_95019_c81cfa7cbdc87508","agenda_item_id":null,"speaker_id":"off_fred_a_neil","speaker_confidence":0.95,"start_sec":3209.89,"end_sec":3210.89,"text":"as presented.","topics_json":"[]","vector_id":"vec_seg_95019_291","created_at":"2026-10-31T07:16:44Z","speaker_name":"Fred A. 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Pillsbury"},{"id":"seg_95019_294","meeting_id":"95019","media_asset_id":"med_95019_c81cfa7cbdc87508","agenda_item_id":null,"speaker_id":"off_fred_a_neil","speaker_confidence":0.95,"start_sec":3216.69,"end_sec":3218.59,"text":"A second for council.","topics_json":"[]","vector_id":"vec_seg_95019_294","created_at":"2026-10-31T07:16:44Z","speaker_name":"Fred A. Neil"},{"id":"seg_95019_295","meeting_id":"95019","media_asset_id":"med_95019_c81cfa7cbdc87508","agenda_item_id":null,"speaker_id":"off_tricia_k_arndt","speaker_confidence":0.85,"start_sec":3218.59,"end_sec":3220.39,"text":"All righty.","topics_json":"[]","vector_id":"vec_seg_95019_295","created_at":"2026-10-31T07:16:44Z","speaker_name":"Tricia K. Arndt"},{"id":"seg_95019_296","meeting_id":"95019","media_asset_id":"med_95019_c81cfa7cbdc87508","agenda_item_id":null,"speaker_id":"off_fred_a_neil","speaker_confidence":0.95,"start_sec":3220.39,"end_sec":3227.39,"text":"Is there any other questions from staff? From council? Hearing none, Madam Clerk, please call the roll.","topics_json":"[]","vector_id":"vec_seg_95019_296","created_at":"2026-10-31T07:16:44Z","speaker_name":"Fred A. Neil"},{"id":"seg_95019_297","meeting_id":"95019","media_asset_id":"med_95019_c81cfa7cbdc87508","agenda_item_id":null,"speaker_id":"spk_95019_city_clerk","speaker_confidence":0.95,"start_sec":3227.89,"end_sec":3229.89,"text":"Mrs.— Miss Hall?","topics_json":"[]","vector_id":"vec_seg_95019_297","created_at":"2026-10-31T07:16:44Z","speaker_name":null},{"id":"seg_95019_298","meeting_id":"95019","media_asset_id":"med_95019_c81cfa7cbdc87508","agenda_item_id":null,"speaker_id":"off_donyale_m_hall","speaker_confidence":0.95,"start_sec":3229.89,"end_sec":3230.89,"text":"Yes.","topics_json":"[]","vector_id":"vec_seg_95019_298","created_at":"2026-10-31T07:16:44Z","speaker_name":"Donyale M. 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Out of all the people representing this room, Councilman Lewis gave me a detailed conversation per my thoughts. Councilwoman Hall at least acknowledged that she got my email. No one else did. Look behind me. If your actions or lack of actions caused all this, if you're trying to run for political office for mayor on policy or agenda you're trying to do, it's going to fail. President Council Neil, you keep on saying you want to hear people's comments and concerns and feelings, but that's not the place to answer them. However, you never answer questions unless someone's ego gets hurt, someone wants to do damage control, the news media is present, or uh you just want to make a point. Overall, you don't answer questions. And it's frustrating for the citizens when we ask a question to be answered, you never put it on the next agenda.","topics_json":"[]","vector_id":"vec_seg_95019_3","created_at":"2026-10-31T07:16:43Z","speaker_name":"William G. 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Rocha, Sr."},{"id":"seg_95019_309","meeting_id":"95019","media_asset_id":"med_95019_c81cfa7cbdc87508","agenda_item_id":null,"speaker_id":"spk_95019_city_clerk","speaker_confidence":0.95,"start_sec":3240.59,"end_sec":3241.59,"text":"Dr. Sudler?","topics_json":"[]","vector_id":"vec_seg_95019_309","created_at":"2026-10-31T07:16:44Z","speaker_name":null},{"id":"seg_95019_31","meeting_id":"95019","media_asset_id":"med_95019_c81cfa7cbdc87508","agenda_item_id":null,"speaker_id":"spk_95019_tyler_mock","speaker_confidence":0.95,"start_sec":452.79,"end_sec":467.49,"text":"Good evening. My address is 401 Hatchery Road, Dover, Delaware. Born and raised in Delaware. So when somebody looks at me and tells me that they've been everywhere, and they've seen everything, they haven't seen my life.","topics_json":"[\"homelessness\"]","vector_id":"vec_seg_95019_31","created_at":"2026-10-31T07:16:43Z","speaker_name":"Tyler Mock"},{"id":"seg_95019_310","meeting_id":"95019","media_asset_id":"med_95019_c81cfa7cbdc87508","agenda_item_id":null,"speaker_id":"off_roy_sudler_jr","speaker_confidence":0.95,"start_sec":3241.59,"end_sec":3242.39,"text":"Yes.","topics_json":"[]","vector_id":"vec_seg_95019_310","created_at":"2026-10-31T07:16:44Z","speaker_name":"Roy Sudler, Jr."},{"id":"seg_95019_311","meeting_id":"95019","media_asset_id":"med_95019_c81cfa7cbdc87508","agenda_item_id":null,"speaker_id":"spk_95019_city_clerk","speaker_confidence":0.95,"start_sec":3242.39,"end_sec":3243.49,"text":"Mr. Lewis?","topics_json":"[]","vector_id":"vec_seg_95019_311","created_at":"2026-10-31T07:16:44Z","speaker_name":null},{"id":"seg_95019_312","meeting_id":"95019","media_asset_id":"med_95019_c81cfa7cbdc87508","agenda_item_id":null,"speaker_id":"off_brian_e_lewis","speaker_confidence":0.95,"start_sec":3243.49,"end_sec":3251.89,"text":"Uh I'm going to have to abstain uh due to my affiliation with Bayhealth, and after consulting with our city solicitor, uh he advised me to recuse myself.","topics_json":"[]","vector_id":"vec_seg_95019_312","created_at":"2026-10-31T07:16:44Z","speaker_name":"Brian E. 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Neil"},{"id":"seg_95019_315","meeting_id":"95019","media_asset_id":"med_95019_c81cfa7cbdc87508","agenda_item_id":null,"speaker_id":"spk_95019_city_clerk","speaker_confidence":0.95,"start_sec":3255.29,"end_sec":3258.19,"text":"Unanimous with eight zero and one abstention.","topics_json":"[]","vector_id":"vec_seg_95019_315","created_at":"2026-10-31T07:16:44Z","speaker_name":null},{"id":"seg_95019_316","meeting_id":"95019","media_asset_id":"med_95019_c81cfa7cbdc87508","agenda_item_id":null,"speaker_id":"off_fred_a_neil","speaker_confidence":0.95,"start_sec":3258.19,"end_sec":3264.29,"text":"Unanimous uh eight to zero with one abstention. It passed.","topics_json":"[]","vector_id":"vec_seg_95019_316","created_at":"2026-10-31T07:16:44Z","speaker_name":"Fred A. Neil"},{"id":"seg_95019_317","meeting_id":"95019","media_asset_id":"med_95019_c81cfa7cbdc87508","agenda_item_id":null,"speaker_id":"off_fred_a_neil","speaker_confidence":0.95,"start_sec":3264.89,"end_sec":3317.39,"text":"Okay, we have Council uh number 11, review of the Community Center Economic Development Fund uh by Councilwoman Hall.","topics_json":"[\"budget\",\"business\"]","vector_id":"vec_seg_95019_317","created_at":"2026-10-31T07:16:44Z","speaker_name":"Fred A. Neil"},{"id":"seg_95019_318","meeting_id":"95019","media_asset_id":"med_95019_c81cfa7cbdc87508","agenda_item_id":null,"speaker_id":"spk_95019_donyale_m_hall","speaker_confidence":0.95,"start_sec":3317.89,"end_sec":3333.89,"text":"Thank you for recognizing me, Council President. At this time, I'd like to have Dr. Hodge come forward and give council um some of the answers to um the city manager's questions regarding this application. Thank you, Dr. Hodge, for being here.","topics_json":"[\"budget\",\"business\"]","vector_id":"vec_seg_95019_318","created_at":"2026-10-31T07:16:44Z","speaker_name":null},{"id":"seg_95019_319","meeting_id":"95019","media_asset_id":"med_95019_c81cfa7cbdc87508","agenda_item_id":null,"speaker_id":"spk_95019_derek_hodge","speaker_confidence":0.95,"start_sec":3337.39,"end_sec":3356.89,"text":"Derek Hodge, Pine Street, Dover. I received a list of questions or requests for supplemental information after staff read our application for...","topics_json":"[\"budget\",\"business\"]","vector_id":"vec_seg_95019_319","created_at":"2026-10-31T07:16:44Z","speaker_name":"Derek Hodge"},{"id":"seg_95019_32","meeting_id":"95019","media_asset_id":"med_95019_c81cfa7cbdc87508","agenda_item_id":null,"speaker_id":"spk_95019_public_commenter","speaker_confidence":0.95,"start_sec":427.98,"end_sec":442.78,"text":"So when I was homeless myself, I relied on the kindness of strangers on occasion because as I remind you, I was homeless. I had no resources, and I had no one to listen to me.","topics_json":"[\"homelessness\"]","vector_id":"vec_seg_95019_32","created_at":"2026-10-31T07:16:43Z","speaker_name":null},{"id":"seg_95019_320","meeting_id":"95019","media_asset_id":"med_95019_c81cfa7cbdc87508","agenda_item_id":null,"speaker_id":"spk_95019_public_commenter","speaker_confidence":0.9,"start_sec":3316.88,"end_sec":3423.88,"text":"for economic development funds. I have provided written answers to you. I will only summarize now what our response is. The first set of questions from the staff asked us to tell you who we are. I believe that probably you all already know. We Not only did I give a presentation to you, a good half-hour-long presentation maybe a year ago, but also you probably know that we have received three rounds of ARPA funding from the city and have managed it well. We have received this year $350,000 from the opioid settlement fund, $100,000 from DuPont money from the Welfare Foundation, all for capital projects. We received funding 2 years ago from the governor's office to install our new sprinkler system. So, I think we're already pretty well-known, and we're certainly well-established in terms of the success of our programs. One of the questions that staff asked was, \"Well, how do we know that you can run the programs you promise to run?\" And again, I finally would ask you to consider the fact that we have already a pretty well-established reputation in Kent County for running these programs. One doesn't get DuPont money unless one can demonstrate previous success in running these programs. The opioid settlement application process was extremely detailed and even a bit burdensome.","topics_json":"[\"budget\",\"business\"]","vector_id":"vec_seg_95019_320","created_at":"2026-10-31T07:16:44Z","speaker_name":null},{"id":"seg_95019_321","meeting_id":"95019","media_asset_id":"med_95019_c81cfa7cbdc87508","agenda_item_id":null,"speaker_id":"spk_95019_presenter","speaker_confidence":0.9,"start_sec":3423.88,"end_sec":3437.48,"text":"they wanted to be sure that we were quite capable not only of managing the money, but of running successful programs, and obviously we did that quite successfully because they awarded us $350,000.","topics_json":"[\"budget\"]","vector_id":"vec_seg_95019_321","created_at":"2026-10-31T07:16:44Z","speaker_name":null},{"id":"seg_95019_322","meeting_id":"95019","media_asset_id":"med_95019_c81cfa7cbdc87508","agenda_item_id":null,"speaker_id":"spk_95019_presenter","speaker_confidence":0.9,"start_sec":3437.78,"end_sec":3447.98,"text":"The state comptroller sent two persons to conduct a site visit about two months ago to make sure that we were managing our GIA funding.","topics_json":"[\"budget\"]","vector_id":"vec_seg_95019_322","created_at":"2026-10-31T07:16:44Z","speaker_name":null},{"id":"seg_95019_323","meeting_id":"95019","media_asset_id":"med_95019_c81cfa7cbdc87508","agenda_item_id":null,"speaker_id":"spk_95019_presenter","speaker_confidence":0.9,"start_sec":3448.18,"end_sec":3467.48,"text":"We've received GIA funding for the last four years, and those two people from the comptroller's office communicated to me that they were quite impressed and saw that indeed the programs promised in the GIA application have been done quite well, and so they left satisfied.","topics_json":"[\"budget\"]","vector_id":"vec_seg_95019_323","created_at":"2026-10-31T07:16:44Z","speaker_name":null},{"id":"seg_95019_324","meeting_id":"95019","media_asset_id":"med_95019_c81cfa7cbdc87508","agenda_item_id":null,"speaker_id":"spk_95019_presenter","speaker_confidence":0.9,"start_sec":3467.68,"end_sec":3482.58,"text":"I think we can trust then the consensus of private and public funders in Dover, in Delaware, that indeed we are already well known, we've established a solid reputation.","topics_json":"[\"budget\"]","vector_id":"vec_seg_95019_324","created_at":"2026-10-31T07:16:44Z","speaker_name":null},{"id":"seg_95019_325","meeting_id":"95019","media_asset_id":"med_95019_c81cfa7cbdc87508","agenda_item_id":null,"speaker_id":"spk_95019_presenter","speaker_confidence":0.9,"start_sec":3483.08,"end_sec":3553.38,"text":"And one thing I'd like to add to that is that our work is done through partnerships. And if we, I think you can trust, if you trust the people who have entered into partnership with us, if you can trust the two state representatives who are on our board of directors or the two members of this body who also sit on our board of directors, they probably wouldn't be involved in an organization that was not fit and prepared to handle city funding.","topics_json":"[\"budget\"]","vector_id":"vec_seg_95019_325","created_at":"2026-10-31T07:16:44Z","speaker_name":null},{"id":"seg_95019_326","meeting_id":"95019","media_asset_id":"med_95019_c81cfa7cbdc87508","agenda_item_id":null,"speaker_id":"spk_95019_presenter","speaker_confidence":0.9,"start_sec":3556.18,"end_sec":3570.48,"text":"We are partnered with DANA, the Delaware Alliance for Nonprofit Advancement. Dr. Bravo is our board development consultant.","topics_json":"[\"budget\"]","vector_id":"vec_seg_95019_326","created_at":"2026-10-31T07:16:44Z","speaker_name":null},{"id":"seg_95019_327","meeting_id":"95019","media_asset_id":"med_95019_c81cfa7cbdc87508","agenda_item_id":null,"speaker_id":"spk_95019_public_commenter","speaker_confidence":0.9,"start_sec":3530.87,"end_sec":3574.01,"text":"in the workforce development program, as described already in the application we submitted. Uh, we are partnering with Polytech School District, with NeighborGood Partners for the financial literacy component. We are being advised by Harold Stafford, a former Secretary of Labor of Delaware. So, um, I was given all this, I was pleased to be able to answer the questions in staff's letter that that suggested to me that they're we've pretty well established our fitness for receiving this money. Now I'd just like to say a little bit about the program.","topics_json":"[\"budget\"]","vector_id":"vec_seg_95019_327","created_at":"2026-10-31T07:16:44Z","speaker_name":null},{"id":"seg_95019_328","meeting_id":"95019","media_asset_id":"med_95019_c81cfa7cbdc87508","agenda_item_id":null,"speaker_id":"spk_95019_public_commenter","speaker_confidence":0.9,"start_sec":3574.01,"end_sec":3637.87,"text":"Our clients in the People's Community Center roughly we can divide into three parts: about a third of our clients, and by clients I mean people who are hungry and come for dinner, in the winter we have a winter shelter. Uh, we also have a children's program, an after-school program, because so many of the children of our neighborhood has have nowhere to go. Uh, I will introduce Beverly Henderson behind me, who is the coordinator of the after-school program. Uh, about a third of our clients, aside from the children, who come to come to the People's Community Center, are people who are deeply in their addiction and can barely function, much less are they going into the workforce. About a third of our people are folks who already work, they just can't afford rent. Or their food stamps run out, so they come for dinner. We have elderly people on Social Security who come for dinner.","topics_json":"[\"homelessness\",\"housing\",\"budget\"]","vector_id":"vec_seg_95019_328","created_at":"2026-10-31T07:16:44Z","speaker_name":null},{"id":"seg_95019_329","meeting_id":"95019","media_asset_id":"med_95019_c81cfa7cbdc87508","agenda_item_id":null,"speaker_id":"spk_95019_presenter","speaker_confidence":0.85,"start_sec":3637.87,"end_sec":3744.87,"text":"Those folks who are already working, but come to us because they can't afford rent, are folks that we can't help. That's going to require a significant economic shift and policy change to provide affordable housing. There's nothing we can do about that. So the target for the workforce- for the economic development funds that we're seeking is to create this new workforce- center for workforce development. And the target population are those 1/3 of the- the final third of our clients, who are people who are ready to re-enter the formal workforce. They are people, many of them who are early in recovery, they're getting out of their addiction, they weren't so far gone. They are folks who have perhaps had family ruptures that disrupted their life, and meant that the normal path was not open to them. And so they are- find themselves in their 30s, and- and not with a- a not with a a stable work life. So these are the folks that we that this program wants to help. Those folks who are not deeply in their addiction, they're not already working or retired, but can't afford rent. These are the people who are ready to re-enter the workforce, and it would be- and and we do this not merely for them. You see, in the- in the past, we have run the shelter and the the hungry neighborhood program because we believed that it was our duty to help people stay alive until they could fix whatever it was was that was causing them to stumble. This year, we've we have a little bit different I can I can tell already I'm","topics_json":"[\"housing\",\"homelessness\",\"budget\"]","vector_id":"vec_seg_95019_329","created_at":"2026-10-31T07:16:44Z","speaker_name":null},{"id":"seg_95019_33","meeting_id":"95019","media_asset_id":"med_95019_c81cfa7cbdc87508","agenda_item_id":null,"speaker_id":"spk_95019_public_commenter","speaker_confidence":0.95,"start_sec":442.98,"end_sec":463.78,"text":"So I would recommend, as I sit in this room with people who are making it a point to ignore what they listen and see with their own eyes as they travel the world and the local towns around us, to listen to the people who they are leaving behind, thinking those people will go away.","topics_json":"[\"homelessness\"]","vector_id":"vec_seg_95019_33","created_at":"2026-10-31T07:16:43Z","speaker_name":null},{"id":"seg_95019_330","meeting_id":"95019","media_asset_id":"med_95019_c81cfa7cbdc87508","agenda_item_id":null,"speaker_id":"spk_95019_presenter","speaker_confidence":0.85,"start_sec":3744.87,"end_sec":3780.67,"text":"boring you all. I'd better I'd better make my talk a little more interesting. Uh uh we've decided that our our work this year is going to be not just keeping them alive, but helping them get back on their feet. And so we've instituted some changes to the shelter program so that people have to set goals. And there was a case We're paying a case manager to work with them, and week by week to see are they are they are they complying with the steps required in order to meet the goal? And if they don't meet the goals, then they can't stay with us anymore. Uh if they don't if they don't have the ambition to change their situation, uh they're not going to stay with us.","topics_json":"[\"homelessness\",\"housing\"]","vector_id":"vec_seg_95019_330","created_at":"2026-10-31T07:16:44Z","speaker_name":null},{"id":"seg_95019_331","meeting_id":"95019","media_asset_id":"med_95019_c81cfa7cbdc87508","agenda_item_id":null,"speaker_id":"spk_95019_presenter","speaker_confidence":0.85,"start_sec":3781.17,"end_sec":3851.87,"text":"As part of that development of our mission, uh this workforce development program will help people get back on their feet. People who there are mighty tough barriers. Some Some, those of us who are middle-class folks and who are stably in the workforce don't realize how hard it is to get a birth certificate if you've been like on the street, or if there's a family rupture, so you can't or a mother's died and you can't get to the house to get your birth certificate. And without Without a birth certificate, one can't get a Social Security card. Without a Social Security card, one can't get a job. Without a driver's license, one can't get an apartment. So these are barriers that are would be easy for us to go, but for for the folks we're working with, these are big problems. Um so the program we developed are is intended to help people get over those barriers so that if they want to and are ready to get back in the workforce, they can. Uh uh documents, GED, partnering with the Polytech uh uh school district,","topics_json":"[\"homelessness\",\"housing\",\"business\"]","vector_id":"vec_seg_95019_331","created_at":"2026-10-31T07:16:44Z","speaker_name":null},{"id":"seg_95019_332","meeting_id":"95019","media_asset_id":"med_95019_c81cfa7cbdc87508","agenda_item_id":null,"speaker_id":"spk_95019_public_commenter","speaker_confidence":0.9,"start_sec":3851.86,"end_sec":3961.66,"text":"financial literacy, we're partnering with Neighborhood Partners. Computer literacy, basic life skills, expungement, we're partnering with, again, the Department of Labor APEX program. Specific job training and job placement, partnering with the Department of Labor. So, all of the work that we do is through these partnerships with folks who are, I'm sure you'll agree, well-qualified to do this work. So, though the staff seemed to have a question as to whether we were qualified to do this, I think that having Harold Stafford in our - on our side advising us, and with our track record of producing stable, solid programs that help people get back on their feet, and with our track record of managing grant money very well, I think we can put those questions to rest. And now, I wonder if you all have any questions about our application or our plans to open the - the Workforce Development Center?","topics_json":"[\"business\",\"budget\"]","vector_id":"vec_seg_95019_332","created_at":"2026-10-31T07:16:44Z","speaker_name":null},{"id":"seg_95019_333","meeting_id":"95019","media_asset_id":"med_95019_c81cfa7cbdc87508","agenda_item_id":null,"speaker_id":"off_fred_a_neil","speaker_confidence":0.95,"start_sec":3961.86,"end_sec":3998.86,"text":"I have one question for you based on the Quality of Life project from the City Police Department, which we actually posted on the city website if anyone wants to see the six-page document that basically summarizes what they found out. One of the things they found out is that we do not have enough detox centers. And I know that Councilman Sudler's committee is working on that. So the question is, you've gotten $350,000 on that. Do you have a detox center, or are you willing to work with Councilman Sudler's group?","topics_json":"[\"public_safety\",\"budget\"]","vector_id":"vec_seg_95019_333","created_at":"2026-10-31T07:16:44Z","speaker_name":"Fred A. Neil"},{"id":"seg_95019_334","meeting_id":"95019","media_asset_id":"med_95019_c81cfa7cbdc87508","agenda_item_id":null,"speaker_id":"off_fred_a_neil","speaker_confidence":0.95,"start_sec":3958.86,"end_sec":3976.86,"text":"Because this is this is something that's essential for the people who who can't control themselves on this. I mean, it's things that really, really difficult, and to be able to get them off and keep them off is essential for everything that we're doing.","topics_json":"[\"public_safety\",\"homelessness\"]","vector_id":"vec_seg_95019_334","created_at":"2026-10-31T07:16:44Z","speaker_name":"Fred A. Neil"},{"id":"seg_95019_335","meeting_id":"95019","media_asset_id":"med_95019_c81cfa7cbdc87508","agenda_item_id":null,"speaker_id":"spk_95019_public_commenter","speaker_confidence":0.85,"start_sec":3976.86,"end_sec":3977.96,"text":"Uh-huh.","topics_json":"[]","vector_id":"vec_seg_95019_335","created_at":"2026-10-31T07:16:44Z","speaker_name":null},{"id":"seg_95019_336","meeting_id":"95019","media_asset_id":"med_95019_c81cfa7cbdc87508","agenda_item_id":null,"speaker_id":"spk_95019_public_commenter","speaker_confidence":0.9,"start_sec":3977.96,"end_sec":3994.36,"text":"Yes, thank you. Um, one of the things, by the way you're speaking to an addict with 38 years of recovery. So I've been clean and sober—no, don't, I say that not for applause, but to say I know what it's like.","topics_json":"[\"homelessness\"]","vector_id":"vec_seg_95019_336","created_at":"2026-10-31T07:16:44Z","speaker_name":null},{"id":"seg_95019_337","meeting_id":"95019","media_asset_id":"med_95019_c81cfa7cbdc87508","agenda_item_id":null,"speaker_id":"spk_95019_public_commenter","speaker_confidence":0.9,"start_sec":3994.96,"end_sec":4009.66,"text":"I know what it's like to be passed out in the alley. I know what it's like to be in danger of my life, and I know what it's like to crave something so desperately that everything else is nothing else, I can't think of anything else. Um,","topics_json":"[\"homelessness\"]","vector_id":"vec_seg_95019_337","created_at":"2026-10-31T07:16:44Z","speaker_name":null},{"id":"seg_95019_338","meeting_id":"95019","media_asset_id":"med_95019_c81cfa7cbdc87508","agenda_item_id":null,"speaker_id":"spk_95019_public_commenter","speaker_confidence":0.9,"start_sec":4009.66,"end_sec":4063.76,"text":"one of the things we do in the shelter is we get people into treatment when we identify them after talking to them. Um, I think we're up to 75 people now that we've gotten into treatment. However, and and so we're all we're all for it, and by the way, we are also in support of a enforcement of the laws that are already on the books, but the laws that the police don't always seem keen on enforcing. That would help some of those folks uh who are on the street and who cannot care for themselves.","topics_json":"[\"homelessness\",\"housing\",\"public_safety\"]","vector_id":"vec_seg_95019_338","created_at":"2026-10-31T07:16:44Z","speaker_name":null},{"id":"seg_95019_339","meeting_id":"95019","media_asset_id":"med_95019_c81cfa7cbdc87508","agenda_item_id":null,"speaker_id":"off_fred_a_neil","speaker_confidence":0.95,"start_sec":4063.76,"end_sec":4067.36,"text":"It may not be the police who do not enforce the law.","topics_json":"[\"public_safety\"]","vector_id":"vec_seg_95019_339","created_at":"2026-10-31T07:16:44Z","speaker_name":"Fred A. 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There's a—","topics_json":"[\"public_safety\"]","vector_id":"vec_seg_95019_340","created_at":"2026-10-31T07:16:44Z","speaker_name":null},{"id":"seg_95019_341","meeting_id":"95019","media_asset_id":"med_95019_c81cfa7cbdc87508","agenda_item_id":null,"speaker_id":"off_fred_a_neil","speaker_confidence":0.95,"start_sec":4068.66,"end_sec":4074.96,"text":"There's a serious problem with the Department of Justice, and I've said it right here.","topics_json":"[\"public_safety\"]","vector_id":"vec_seg_95019_341","created_at":"2026-10-31T07:16:44Z","speaker_name":"Fred A. Neil"},{"id":"seg_95019_342","meeting_id":"95019","media_asset_id":"med_95019_c81cfa7cbdc87508","agenda_item_id":null,"speaker_id":"spk_95019_public_commenter","speaker_confidence":0.85,"start_sec":4074.96,"end_sec":4076.86,"text":"With the Attorney General. Understood, sir.","topics_json":"[\"public_safety\"]","vector_id":"vec_seg_95019_342","created_at":"2026-10-31T07:16:44Z","speaker_name":null},{"id":"seg_95019_343","meeting_id":"95019","media_asset_id":"med_95019_c81cfa7cbdc87508","agenda_item_id":null,"speaker_id":"off_fred_a_neil","speaker_confidence":0.95,"start_sec":4076.86,"end_sec":4085.56,"text":"Right here. Absolutely, it's a problem here because there's no consequence, and until there's a consequence, they need help, and that will help them if they need it.","topics_json":"[\"public_safety\",\"homelessness\"]","vector_id":"vec_seg_95019_343","created_at":"2026-10-31T07:16:44Z","speaker_name":"Fred A. Neil"},{"id":"seg_95019_344","meeting_id":"95019","media_asset_id":"med_95019_c81cfa7cbdc87508","agenda_item_id":null,"speaker_id":"off_fred_a_neil","speaker_confidence":0.95,"start_sec":4065.86,"end_sec":4079.36,"text":"help, too. But in any case, uh, as long as Councilman Sudler is there, and working on that, because that is one of the most essential points of helping people to get off the gas.","topics_json":"[\"public_safety\"]","vector_id":"vec_seg_95019_344","created_at":"2026-10-31T07:16:44Z","speaker_name":"Fred A. Neil"},{"id":"seg_95019_345","meeting_id":"95019","media_asset_id":"med_95019_c81cfa7cbdc87508","agenda_item_id":null,"speaker_id":"spk_95019_public_commenter","speaker_confidence":0.9,"start_sec":4079.36,"end_sec":4113.86,"text":"Yes, understood. And we are engaged in that work. We save, uh, three lives a week because we are staffed 24/7 with people with Narcan. And there's nowhere for people downtown to go if their buddy starts to overdose. So we are in the middle of it. We know. But what I'm here today to talk about is the workforce development, not for those third who are in their addiction, but for those third of our clients who are ready to move into the regular workforce. That's That's the population we're talking about now. The folks who are early in addiction, or early in recovery, for instance.","topics_json":"[\"public_safety\",\"business\"]","vector_id":"vec_seg_95019_345","created_at":"2026-10-31T07:16:44Z","speaker_name":null},{"id":"seg_95019_346","meeting_id":"95019","media_asset_id":"med_95019_c81cfa7cbdc87508","agenda_item_id":null,"speaker_id":"off_fred_a_neil","speaker_confidence":0.95,"start_sec":4114.86,"end_sec":4118.66,"text":"Any-- Yes, Councilman Sudler.","topics_json":"[]","vector_id":"vec_seg_95019_346","created_at":"2026-10-31T07:16:44Z","speaker_name":"Fred A. Neil"},{"id":"seg_95019_347","meeting_id":"95019","media_asset_id":"med_95019_c81cfa7cbdc87508","agenda_item_id":null,"speaker_id":"off_roy_sudler_jr","speaker_confidence":0.95,"start_sec":4118.66,"end_sec":4172.86,"text":"Thank you, Council President Neil. I wanted to speak to the point of the application process and the fact that it's somewhat burdensome. Um, would you be willing to be-- would you be willing to come to our meeting, um, on, um, Monday, next Monday the 17th, the Mayor's Blue Ribbon Opioid Task Force meeting committee, and express to us, um, some of the challenges and the best way to hurdle through those challenges because we're having the grant process, as well as, um, the application process. And we have Mr. Brad Adams there as well. So we have a workforce development chair, uh Michelle Pauls, our chair of workforce development, and, um, we have some other ad hoc committees. 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Thank you for the invitation.","topics_json":"[]","vector_id":"vec_seg_95019_349","created_at":"2026-10-31T07:16:44Z","speaker_name":null},{"id":"seg_95019_35","meeting_id":"95019","media_asset_id":"med_95019_c81cfa7cbdc87508","agenda_item_id":null,"speaker_id":"spk_95019_public_commenter","speaker_confidence":0.95,"start_sec":477.68,"end_sec":537.98,"text":"And for all of you to sit here and clearly, repetitively not communicate with your constituents is a bold shame. And you should sit here and remark personally upon reflection on how to be better people and better representation of your constituency.","topics_json":"[\"homelessness\"]","vector_id":"vec_seg_95019_35","created_at":"2026-10-31T07:16:43Z","speaker_name":null},{"id":"seg_95019_350","meeting_id":"95019","media_asset_id":"med_95019_c81cfa7cbdc87508","agenda_item_id":null,"speaker_id":"off_roy_sudler_jr","speaker_confidence":0.95,"start_sec":4180.95,"end_sec":4183.35,"text":"Absolutely. Thank you, Council President. That's all I have.","topics_json":"[]","vector_id":"vec_seg_95019_350","created_at":"2026-10-31T07:16:44Z","speaker_name":"Roy Sudler, Jr."},{"id":"seg_95019_351","meeting_id":"95019","media_asset_id":"med_95019_c81cfa7cbdc87508","agenda_item_id":null,"speaker_id":"spk_95019_pastor","speaker_confidence":0.9,"start_sec":4184.05,"end_sec":4201.35,"text":"I can I can say that as of eight days ago, I began a a sabbatical. I came back for this, so I will actually be camping in the Smoky Mountains. I'm leaving tomorrow morning, so I can't. I could be there by Zoom, but","topics_json":"[]","vector_id":"vec_seg_95019_351","created_at":"2026-10-31T07:16:44Z","speaker_name":null},{"id":"seg_95019_352","meeting_id":"95019","media_asset_id":"med_95019_c81cfa7cbdc87508","agenda_item_id":null,"speaker_id":"off_roy_sudler_jr","speaker_confidence":0.9,"start_sec":4201.45,"end_sec":4202.65,"text":"Glad to see you in person.","topics_json":"[]","vector_id":"vec_seg_95019_352","created_at":"2026-10-31T07:16:44Z","speaker_name":"Roy Sudler, Jr."},{"id":"seg_95019_353","meeting_id":"95019","media_asset_id":"med_95019_c81cfa7cbdc87508","agenda_item_id":null,"speaker_id":"spk_95019_pastor","speaker_confidence":0.9,"start_sec":4203.45,"end_sec":4289.65,"text":"Yes, we are happy. When I said burdensome, it wasn't the the Economic Development Fund's application from the city was not burdensome. The opioid commission was burdensome, and and for good reason: they wanted to be darn sure that money didn't go to folks who weren't able to manage it appropriately and account for it and used standard accounting practices. So we passed those hoops. So, my point was wasn't to complain about the application. It was to say this was a 30-page, single-spaced application for the opioid settlement, we passed. So, it was just to give you some confidence that we've passed scrutiny. And and by the DuPonts, DuPont Foundations, yes, there's a high level of scrutiny there, and we've passed that, too.","topics_json":"[\"budget\",\"business\"]","vector_id":"vec_seg_95019_353","created_at":"2026-10-31T07:16:44Z","speaker_name":null},{"id":"seg_95019_354","meeting_id":"95019","media_asset_id":"med_95019_c81cfa7cbdc87508","agenda_item_id":null,"speaker_id":"off_roy_sudler_jr","speaker_confidence":0.95,"start_sec":4289.85,"end_sec":4296.85,"text":"Well, thank you for the clarity. And if you do have someone else from your organization that could come and attend and speak to that, that would be greatly appreciated. Thank you, Council President.","topics_json":"[]","vector_id":"vec_seg_95019_354","created_at":"2026-10-31T07:16:44Z","speaker_name":"Roy Sudler, Jr."},{"id":"seg_95019_355","meeting_id":"95019","media_asset_id":"med_95019_c81cfa7cbdc87508","agenda_item_id":null,"speaker_id":"off_fred_a_neil","speaker_confidence":0.95,"start_sec":4297.05,"end_sec":4298.55,"text":"Councilman Lewis.","topics_json":"[]","vector_id":"vec_seg_95019_355","created_at":"2026-10-31T07:16:44Z","speaker_name":"Fred A. Neil"},{"id":"seg_95019_356","meeting_id":"95019","media_asset_id":"med_95019_c81cfa7cbdc87508","agenda_item_id":null,"speaker_id":"off_brian_e_lewis","speaker_confidence":0.95,"start_sec":4299.35,"end_sec":4319.35,"text":"Good evening, Pastor. With regard to your workforce development program, to your knowledge, do you know if the State currently offers any programs with respect to that? Because I'm trying to ascertain if this would be something that would be duplicated.","topics_json":"[\"business\"]","vector_id":"vec_seg_95019_356","created_at":"2026-10-31T07:16:44Z","speaker_name":"Brian E. Lewis"},{"id":"seg_95019_357","meeting_id":"95019","media_asset_id":"med_95019_c81cfa7cbdc87508","agenda_item_id":null,"speaker_id":"spk_95019_presenter","speaker_confidence":0.9,"start_sec":4279.85,"end_sec":4302.25,"text":"Yes, and yes. Uh the Department of Labor uh I think does has a great set of programs. And which is precisely why we want to partner with them, which is why we went to Harold Stafford to help us to help advise us. My microphone is coming in and out. 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However, um our folks, that third that I'm talking about, uh one of the things that is uh one of the psychological factors with people who have been beaten down a lot is um that they feel safe in their neighborhood. So, what we're asking is for somebody early in recovery, perhaps, I'm just going to make up a straw person. Somebody early in recovery lives on Governors and Reed and wants to get back in the workforce, isn't quite sure what to do, and we're going to say, okay, I want you to walk 2.3 miles to the Blue Hen Center where you can meet with somebody at the Department of Labor. You see, that's an extra barrier. One of the great assets that we offer the city is, people trust us. And people who are institution-shy trust us, and they will walk into our building, but they're not going to walk two miles and walk into the Blue Hen Center, which can be a bit intimidating. So, we want to bring those services, everything that pos-","topics_json":"[\"homelessness\"]","vector_id":"vec_seg_95019_359","created_at":"2026-10-31T07:16:44Z","speaker_name":null},{"id":"seg_95019_36","meeting_id":"95019","media_asset_id":"med_95019_c81cfa7cbdc87508","agenda_item_id":null,"speaker_id":"spk_95019_public_commenter","speaker_confidence":0.95,"start_sec":538.48,"end_sec":551.98,"text":"And to make a revenue source for folks that are literally clinging to life and the benefit of society to survive because you are failing them is shameful.","topics_json":"[\"homelessness\",\"budget\"]","vector_id":"vec_seg_95019_36","created_at":"2026-10-31T07:16:43Z","speaker_name":null},{"id":"seg_95019_360","meeting_id":"95019","media_asset_id":"med_95019_c81cfa7cbdc87508","agenda_item_id":null,"speaker_id":"spk_95019_presenter","speaker_confidence":0.9,"start_sec":4386.84,"end_sec":4455.34,"text":"Polytech offers for the GED, the Neighborhood Partners, the APEX, the uh a job uh uh training and placement services, we want to bring them into our building where they will come. Fortunately, the city granted us $40,000 through the Community Development Block Block Grant to help us uh uh renovate the space. We're renovating the bowling alley in People's Church. Yes, people are sad to lose their bowling alley, but there is a higher use. And so with some of the opioid money, uh we will convert the, Becker Morgan drew the plans to convert the bowling alley into a uh uh two private con- office spaces for counseling, one big room for trainings and uh group therapy, a bank of computers so that people can um get on to the Department of Labor website. So, everything is done through partnership. Uh we have no interest in duplicating, we do have an interest in helping our clients access those services that are offered elsewhere in the city.","topics_json":"[\"budget\",\"housing\",\"homelessness\"]","vector_id":"vec_seg_95019_360","created_at":"2026-10-31T07:16:44Z","speaker_name":null},{"id":"seg_95019_361","meeting_id":"95019","media_asset_id":"med_95019_c81cfa7cbdc87508","agenda_item_id":null,"speaker_id":"spk_95019_council_member","speaker_confidence":0.7,"start_sec":4455.84,"end_sec":4458.64,"text":"Understood. No further questions at this time.","topics_json":"[]","vector_id":"vec_seg_95019_361","created_at":"2026-10-31T07:16:44Z","speaker_name":null},{"id":"seg_95019_362","meeting_id":"95019","media_asset_id":"med_95019_c81cfa7cbdc87508","agenda_item_id":null,"speaker_id":"off_fred_a_neil","speaker_confidence":0.95,"start_sec":4459.34,"end_sec":4480.14,"text":"May, do they have uh, if anybody else have any additional questions? There's no action required. Basically the recommendation was to bring it back to council for approval uh at a later time. We thank you very much for coming, and we hope that you are camping and not smoking, and not the other way around.","topics_json":"[]","vector_id":"vec_seg_95019_362","created_at":"2026-10-31T07:16:44Z","speaker_name":"Fred A. Neil"},{"id":"seg_95019_363","meeting_id":"95019","media_asset_id":"med_95019_c81cfa7cbdc87508","agenda_item_id":null,"speaker_id":"spk_95019_presenter","speaker_confidence":0.9,"start_sec":4480.24,"end_sec":4484.34,"text":"I don't smoke at all, but I do camp and hike. That's my thing.","topics_json":"[]","vector_id":"vec_seg_95019_363","created_at":"2026-10-31T07:16:44Z","speaker_name":null},{"id":"seg_95019_364","meeting_id":"95019","media_asset_id":"med_95019_c81cfa7cbdc87508","agenda_item_id":null,"speaker_id":"off_fred_a_neil","speaker_confidence":0.95,"start_sec":4484.44,"end_sec":4493.84,"text":"Thank you. All right. Now we come to uh proposed ordinance uh 2025-21, uh Councilman Lewis.","topics_json":"[]","vector_id":"vec_seg_95019_364","created_at":"2026-10-31T07:16:44Z","speaker_name":"Fred A. Neil"},{"id":"seg_95019_365","meeting_id":"95019","media_asset_id":"med_95019_c81cfa7cbdc87508","agenda_item_id":null,"speaker_id":"off_brian_e_lewis","speaker_confidence":0.95,"start_sec":4493.84,"end_sec":4516.14,"text":"Yes. Uh, regrettably, I was unable to attend the Committee of the Whole meeting where this matter was discussed due to an illness. So, I have some questions that I would like to ask, these are technical questions, to our police chief, which I would have asked if I was in attendance at that meeting. So if you don't mind, Chief, could you uh, go to the podium?","topics_json":"[\"public_safety\"]","vector_id":"vec_seg_95019_365","created_at":"2026-10-31T07:16:44Z","speaker_name":"Brian E. 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The difference switches into the right to be on the traffic island, the idea of, um, spending numerous light cycles in that—","topics_json":"[\"public_safety\"]","vector_id":"vec_seg_95019_369","created_at":"2026-10-31T07:16:44Z","speaker_name":"Thomas Johnson"},{"id":"seg_95019_37","meeting_id":"95019","media_asset_id":"med_95019_c81cfa7cbdc87508","agenda_item_id":null,"speaker_id":"spk_95019_public_commenter","speaker_confidence":0.95,"start_sec":552.48,"end_sec":552.48,"text":"And when you go to sleep at night, I want you to remind yourself that what you did as a failure to create that is your problem that you will have to face. And you will have to face it tomorrow because they still don't have stable housing, and you will have to do it next week because they still don't have stable housing, and you will have to do it if—","topics_json":"[\"homelessness\",\"housing\"]","vector_id":"vec_seg_95019_37","created_at":"2026-10-31T07:16:43Z","speaker_name":null},{"id":"seg_95019_370","meeting_id":"95019","media_asset_id":"med_95019_c81cfa7cbdc87508","agenda_item_id":null,"speaker_id":"spk_95019_thomas_johnson","speaker_confidence":0.85,"start_sec":4600.84,"end_sec":4738.64,"text":"that space. Um, the that's probably one of the reasons why the state's statute on loitering suffered the fate that it did in the federal courts, um, because of the fact that you have a right to be in certain places, uh, to exercise your First Amendment right, and that is one of the issues that are in play whenever it is that you're doing the balance test for, uh, an ordinance such as this. I was not, um, intimately involved in the drafting of the language of this particular ordinance, other than recommending one that had been successfully adopted in another, uh, community. Uh, but that's probably the biggest difference is the act of crossing the street versus the act of standing in a specific place. Um, I don't know if you recall the history of that statute, it allowed, um, on certain days of the year, it allowed fundraising, um, by organizations. So that kind of established the right to be in, uh, certain places, and that led to some of the the legal issues that ended up getting played out, uh, in federal court, as I was briefed on the why as to why, um, we're in a little bit of a limbo. I believe the state legislature is going to be considering a replacement, um, for that statute in the upcoming session. I have no idea yet what that's going to look like, um, so I I regret that I can't offer you any, um, advance information as to what might inform what council eventually adopts with this ordinance, um, but that's the probably the best way I could give you that answer.","topics_json":"[\"public_safety\",\"zoning\"]","vector_id":"vec_seg_95019_370","created_at":"2026-10-31T07:16:44Z","speaker_name":"Thomas Johnson"},{"id":"seg_95019_371","meeting_id":"95019","media_asset_id":"med_95019_c81cfa7cbdc87508","agenda_item_id":null,"speaker_id":"off_brian_e_lewis","speaker_confidence":0.9,"start_sec":4738.64,"end_sec":4747.84,"text":"No, understood, and and and you just brought up a uh very uh imperative uh I I guess, uh,","topics_json":"[\"public_safety\"]","vector_id":"vec_seg_95019_371","created_at":"2026-10-31T07:16:44Z","speaker_name":"Brian E. 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So I was like, you know, they're it's permissible for them, so what's what's the difference? Uh my my second question is, uh what documented data or um conclusion reports does the police department have showing that the existing state pedestrian law in Title 21 are insufficient to to address the pedestrian safety concerns, uh and has there been a measurable pattern of incidents that state law could not cover?","topics_json":"[\"public_safety\"]","vector_id":"vec_seg_95019_374","created_at":"2026-10-31T07:16:44Z","speaker_name":null},{"id":"seg_95019_375","meeting_id":"95019","media_asset_id":"med_95019_c81cfa7cbdc87508","agenda_item_id":null,"speaker_id":"spk_95019_city_staff_1","speaker_confidence":0.9,"start_sec":4756.23,"end_sec":4814.83,"text":"That's a little bit of a nuanced response from the standpoint of if you're just looking violation versus uh enforcement, uh you'd have to spend all day monitoring every intersection for someone that was in violation if your mere goal is to just do an enforcement action for um a witness violation. The I believe the the the spirit of the intent of the ordinance you have before you is injury prevention. Um we have two uh pedestrian fatalities from at-risk population so far in 2025, and we have another um I think we when I asked him to do the search, uh we had 35 injured parties since January 1 of 2024 within the city limits of Dover that are related to auto versus pedestrian. Uh the weakness of the dataset is it's very difficult to narrow down um exactly where all of those events","topics_json":"[\"public_safety\"]","vector_id":"vec_seg_95019_375","created_at":"2026-10-31T07:16:44Z","speaker_name":null},{"id":"seg_95019_376","meeting_id":"95019","media_asset_id":"med_95019_c81cfa7cbdc87508","agenda_item_id":null,"speaker_id":"spk_95019_thomas_johnson","speaker_confidence":0.9,"start_sec":4814.83,"end_sec":4921.83,"text":"places, because that's not exactly how it's tracked, um, in the median, at curb edge, like it's hard to say exactly where a pedestrian was when they were struck by a motor vehicle. Um, but the total number uh is concerning uh through our uh cooperation, collaboration with the uh Office of Highway Safety and them tracking uh data statewide. And I guess um, the idea of prevention being the best medicine, my uh point of view on this issue has been there's two main places where pedestrians don't stand a chance. One is limited-access highways with 55 mph speed or greater. Um, there's just um, those aren't intersection accidents, but those accidents when something transpires, the human being can't move fast enough to get out of the way of the thing that's coming towards them. Uh the second location is intersections of significant size. I'm not necessarily talking about two neighborhood streets that are 10 or 15 mph speed limits approaching one another. Unless there's something really bizarre going on, you don't see significant damage and injury accidents at those intersections. But any intersection of significant size, the crash dynamics lead to the kinds of outcomes that the pedestrian is not agile enough to maintain their own safety. Um, prior to my appointment to Dover PD, I supervised that accident reconstruction unit, so it was kind of my responsibility to understand causative factors and the things that might lead to prevention and education efforts. And the one uh truth is, is when two vehicles at significant speed hit each other at somewhere in the neighborhood of a 90° angle, depending on where the hits occur and the speeds, those cars use that centrifugal force","topics_json":"[\"public_safety\"]","vector_id":"vec_seg_95019_376","created_at":"2026-10-31T07:16:44Z","speaker_name":"Thomas Johnson"},{"id":"seg_95019_377","meeting_id":"95019","media_asset_id":"med_95019_c81cfa7cbdc87508","agenda_item_id":null,"speaker_id":"spk_95019_police_officer","speaker_confidence":0.9,"start_sec":4921.83,"end_sec":4935.73,"text":"course will send debris and vehicles in unpredictable directions. If you're within X number of feet of an intersection, and the safe distance is debatable, but in general proximity of an intersection, you don't stand a chance.","topics_json":"[\"public_safety\"]","vector_id":"vec_seg_95019_377","created_at":"2026-10-31T07:16:44Z","speaker_name":null},{"id":"seg_95019_378","meeting_id":"95019","media_asset_id":"med_95019_c81cfa7cbdc87508","agenda_item_id":null,"speaker_id":"spk_95019_police_officer","speaker_confidence":0.9,"start_sec":4936.19,"end_sec":4951.63,"text":"So, my own my complete perspective on this ordinance you had before you, and I and I hope I'm answering your question uh um in the way that you were looking for, there's hard data, and then there's um anecdotal data","topics_json":"[\"public_safety\"]","vector_id":"vec_seg_95019_378","created_at":"2026-10-31T07:16:44Z","speaker_name":null},{"id":"seg_95019_379","meeting_id":"95019","media_asset_id":"med_95019_c81cfa7cbdc87508","agenda_item_id":null,"speaker_id":"spk_95019_police_officer","speaker_confidence":0.9,"start_sec":4952.39,"end_sec":4963.35,"text":"that through experience points to the places that were trying to keep pedestrians that are spending significant time in at-risk locations.","topics_json":"[\"public_safety\"]","vector_id":"vec_seg_95019_379","created_at":"2026-10-31T07:16:44Z","speaker_name":null},{"id":"seg_95019_38","meeting_id":"95019","media_asset_id":"med_95019_c81cfa7cbdc87508","agenda_item_id":null,"speaker_id":"spk_95019_public_commenter","speaker_confidence":0.9,"start_sec":534.98,"end_sec":552.98,"text":"you run for mayor because they still won't have stable housing. And we will be glad to remind you, both my organization, as well as other organizations. So I would ask that you reflect upon how you can be better to your constituents. Have a lovely evening.","topics_json":"[\"housing\",\"homelessness\"]","vector_id":"vec_seg_95019_38","created_at":"2026-10-31T07:16:43Z","speaker_name":null},{"id":"seg_95019_380","meeting_id":"95019","media_asset_id":"med_95019_c81cfa7cbdc87508","agenda_item_id":null,"speaker_id":"spk_95019_police_officer","speaker_confidence":0.9,"start_sec":4963.57,"end_sec":4979.95,"text":"You're crossing the street, you're crossing the street. All of us take those chances. That's why jaywalking is technically illegal, because it's not safe to cross the street mid-block; it's safer to cross at a corner. But cross and and move on. Get through that light cycle and and get someplace safe.","topics_json":"[\"public_safety\"]","vector_id":"vec_seg_95019_380","created_at":"2026-10-31T07:16:44Z","speaker_name":null},{"id":"seg_95019_381","meeting_id":"95019","media_asset_id":"med_95019_c81cfa7cbdc87508","agenda_item_id":null,"speaker_id":"spk_95019_police_officer","speaker_confidence":0.9,"start_sec":4980.37,"end_sec":5033.25,"text":"Um so that's the interest that I have here is preventing that kind of collateral damage, cuz in my experience, vehicles are undefeated against human beings in significant impacts.","topics_json":"[\"public_safety\"]","vector_id":"vec_seg_95019_381","created_at":"2026-10-31T07:16:44Z","speaker_name":null},{"id":"seg_95019_382","meeting_id":"95019","media_asset_id":"med_95019_c81cfa7cbdc87508","agenda_item_id":null,"speaker_id":"off_brian_e_lewis","speaker_confidence":0.95,"start_sec":5034.11,"end_sec":5057.97,"text":"My next question is uh before drafting this ordinance, did the Dover Police Department coordinate with the Delaware Department of Transportation, DelDOT, or the Office of Highway Safety uh to improve signage, uh signal timing, or crosswalk safety under state authority? If not, uh why were they not pursuing those state-level remedies first?","topics_json":"[\"public_safety\"]","vector_id":"vec_seg_95019_382","created_at":"2026-10-31T07:16:44Z","speaker_name":"Brian E. Lewis"},{"id":"seg_95019_383","meeting_id":"95019","media_asset_id":"med_95019_c81cfa7cbdc87508","agenda_item_id":null,"speaker_id":"spk_95019_police_officer","speaker_confidence":0.9,"start_sec":5059.43,"end_sec":5068.83,"text":"The There was no specific activity that you just described, because that is an ongoing assessment that the Department of Transportation","topics_json":"[\"public_safety\"]","vector_id":"vec_seg_95019_383","created_at":"2026-10-31T07:16:44Z","speaker_name":null},{"id":"seg_95019_384","meeting_id":"95019","media_asset_id":"med_95019_c81cfa7cbdc87508","agenda_item_id":null,"speaker_id":"spk_95019_thomas_johnson","speaker_confidence":0.95,"start_sec":5028.82,"end_sec":5107.62,"text":"station does. Anytime there's a reportable accident, and if you ever hear a police officer talking about a reportable accident versus a non-reportable accident, the over and under on that definition is, is the accident of significance that it needs to be reported to the state for their research purposes? They have very sophisticated software that does accident analytics. A fender bender, a no-injury accident, don't even need a tow truck, that's a local accident report, and the state doesn't always process that data when they're doing their analysis. So all manner of traffic safety improvements, whether that's engineering, whether that's light timing, whether that's signage, pick any traffic control mechanism that you can think of, your state—and this is any State Department of Transportation—is doing ongoing analytics of the data, and then they come, and if they think something ain't right, they'll come out and actually do a study and a survey, and watch that condition for a while to see if the data indicators matches what the investigator sees on the ground. And then the state will make regular decisions about traffic regulation, and they might not even let us know about it, because they're just handling their business because it's just so automatic.","topics_json":"[\"public_safety\"]","vector_id":"vec_seg_95019_384","created_at":"2026-10-31T07:16:44Z","speaker_name":"Thomas Johnson"},{"id":"seg_95019_385","meeting_id":"95019","media_asset_id":"med_95019_c81cfa7cbdc87508","agenda_item_id":null,"speaker_id":"off_fred_a_neil","speaker_confidence":0.9,"start_sec":5107.62,"end_sec":5109.32,"text":"Why didn't you consult with them?","topics_json":"[\"public_safety\"]","vector_id":"vec_seg_95019_385","created_at":"2026-10-31T07:16:44Z","speaker_name":"Fred A. Neil"},{"id":"seg_95019_386","meeting_id":"95019","media_asset_id":"med_95019_c81cfa7cbdc87508","agenda_item_id":null,"speaker_id":"spk_95019_thomas_johnson","speaker_confidence":0.95,"start_sec":5109.32,"end_sec":5135.82,"text":"No, because we we know that they're on on that issue all the time. We consulted injury data as we had available to us inside the corporate limits, both injuries and fatalities within a specific window of time, and I guess for for the record, we stuck to pedestrians. We've had several incidents in Dover in the last couple years that involved people that were on bicycles, which mostly the metrics of...","topics_json":"[\"public_safety\"]","vector_id":"vec_seg_95019_386","created_at":"2026-10-31T07:16:44Z","speaker_name":"Thomas Johnson"},{"id":"seg_95019_387","meeting_id":"95019","media_asset_id":"med_95019_c81cfa7cbdc87508","agenda_item_id":null,"speaker_id":"spk_95019_thomas_johnson","speaker_confidence":0.9,"start_sec":5135.82,"end_sec":5142.62,"text":"the same whether you're hit on your feet or whether you're hit on a bicycle, but we excluded the bicycle count in the data that I referenced.","topics_json":"[\"public_safety\"]","vector_id":"vec_seg_95019_387","created_at":"2026-10-31T07:16:44Z","speaker_name":"Thomas Johnson"},{"id":"seg_95019_388","meeting_id":"95019","media_asset_id":"med_95019_c81cfa7cbdc87508","agenda_item_id":null,"speaker_id":"off_brian_e_lewis","speaker_confidence":0.95,"start_sec":5142.62,"end_sec":5145.32,"text":"Understood. All right.","topics_json":"[]","vector_id":"vec_seg_95019_388","created_at":"2026-10-31T07:16:44Z","speaker_name":"Brian E. Lewis"},{"id":"seg_95019_389","meeting_id":"95019","media_asset_id":"med_95019_c81cfa7cbdc87508","agenda_item_id":null,"speaker_id":"off_brian_e_lewis","speaker_confidence":0.95,"start_sec":5145.82,"end_sec":5175.32,"text":"And and this is pretty much my concern with the whole ordinance is since Delaware already enforces pedestrian safety through Title 21, chapter 41, what specific oversight will ensure that the new city ordinance does not result in double penal- penalties or conflicting citations for the same conduct under both city and state law? You know, are we duplicating something here is my question.","topics_json":"[\"public_safety\"]","vector_id":"vec_seg_95019_389","created_at":"2026-10-31T07:16:44Z","speaker_name":"Brian E. Lewis"},{"id":"seg_95019_39","meeting_id":"95019","media_asset_id":"med_95019_c81cfa7cbdc87508","agenda_item_id":null,"speaker_id":"off_robin_r_christiansen","speaker_confidence":0.85,"start_sec":558.28,"end_sec":560.98,"text":"Madam Clerk, the next person who has signed up.","topics_json":"[]","vector_id":"vec_seg_95019_39","created_at":"2026-10-31T07:16:43Z","speaker_name":"Robin R. Christiansen"},{"id":"seg_95019_390","meeting_id":"95019","media_asset_id":"med_95019_c81cfa7cbdc87508","agenda_item_id":null,"speaker_id":"spk_95019_thomas_johnson","speaker_confidence":0.9,"start_sec":5175.62,"end_sec":5242.82,"text":"I think what you're referring to, and it's a practice that we we tend to avoid at every possible turns, is stacking of charges. There's no there's no point. When you're looking at something that's inherently a safety issue, you use the law or the statutes, whether that's a local ordinance or whether that's a state statute. You use that up to the point that's necessary to get compliance. I would be very comfortable saying to you that four out of five times for a a an offense at this level, a warning is all that's necessary. We just need the statute to be in place to back up the authority to issue the warning and ask the people the person to move off of off of that spot. And as with any discussion about state statute versus a local ordinance, state statute has a much more permanent life as far as it being connected to your record in in the state systems, where a local ordinance violation is much less of an overlay on on the history of your of your conduct. It's not as it's not as easy to find in a search","topics_json":"[\"public_safety\"]","vector_id":"vec_seg_95019_390","created_at":"2026-10-31T07:16:44Z","speaker_name":"Thomas Johnson"},{"id":"seg_95019_391","meeting_id":"95019","media_asset_id":"med_95019_c81cfa7cbdc87508","agenda_item_id":null,"speaker_id":"spk_95019_thomas_johnson","speaker_confidence":0.9,"start_sec":5242.81,"end_sec":5276.51,"text":"So, and usually the um the financial consequences are are less um in the aggregate. Um so I'm pretty typically before you whenever we're talking about uh an ordinance that also has a similar companion state level statute, I look at it through the lens of just another tool in the tool box, not for um an additional application, but as an alternative. That way the officer can do either A or B depending on the situation. And then it just comes down to um discretion as to which uh which tool to use.","topics_json":"[\"public_safety\"]","vector_id":"vec_seg_95019_391","created_at":"2026-10-31T07:16:44Z","speaker_name":"Thomas Johnson"},{"id":"seg_95019_392","meeting_id":"95019","media_asset_id":"med_95019_c81cfa7cbdc87508","agenda_item_id":null,"speaker_id":"off_brian_e_lewis","speaker_confidence":0.95,"start_sec":5276.51,"end_sec":5359.11,"text":"I mean as far as I'm concerned, uh an ordinance is equivalent to a uh a parking ticket. Uh, maybe a parking ticket that carries a little more weight actually uh these days. But uh I mean, they're not going to issue a capias if you don't pay uh an ordinance. Uh it's not going to result into uh a criminal um uh fine or it's not going to It's not something that's going to result into um you you having to go before a JP judge where a capias is issued opposed to an actual um, you know, ticket or summons under Title 21, am I correct?","topics_json":"[\"public_safety\"]","vector_id":"vec_seg_95019_392","created_at":"2026-10-31T07:16:44Z","speaker_name":"Brian E. Lewis"},{"id":"seg_95019_393","meeting_id":"95019","media_asset_id":"med_95019_c81cfa7cbdc87508","agenda_item_id":null,"speaker_id":"spk_95019_thomas_johnson","speaker_confidence":0.9,"start_sec":5359.11,"end_sec":5381.61,"text":"There's There's a lot to that discussion, but in a general sense, sir, you you are correct. You're uh The system is probably going to be less um assertive in recovering an individual to put stand them up in front of a judge over a local ordinance as opposed to um a failure to appear warrant that might be in a larger database um at the Delaware State.","topics_json":"[\"public_safety\"]","vector_id":"vec_seg_95019_393","created_at":"2026-10-31T07:16:44Z","speaker_name":"Thomas Johnson"},{"id":"seg_95019_394","meeting_id":"95019","media_asset_id":"med_95019_c81cfa7cbdc87508","agenda_item_id":null,"speaker_id":"off_brian_e_lewis","speaker_confidence":0.95,"start_sec":5381.61,"end_sec":5389.81,"text":"And and what's the protocol right now if um one were to be, let's say, uh this ordinance passes and they're issued","topics_json":"[\"public_safety\"]","vector_id":"vec_seg_95019_394","created_at":"2026-10-31T07:16:44Z","speaker_name":"Brian E. 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Um if you're talking about it being in front of a judge, uh I can't remember the last time I saw somebody sent to incarceration because of failure to pay a low-level fine. Um a new court date might get set up, they might attempt a payment plan. Um there's other alternative strategies to address uh an unpaid fine. Um but if if the root of your question is, is anybody going to jail over that? Uh disproportionately unlikely.","topics_json":"[\"public_safety\",\"budget\"]","vector_id":"vec_seg_95019_396","created_at":"2026-10-31T07:16:44Z","speaker_name":"Thomas Johnson"},{"id":"seg_95019_397","meeting_id":"95019","media_asset_id":"med_95019_c81cfa7cbdc87508","agenda_item_id":null,"speaker_id":"off_brian_e_lewis","speaker_confidence":0.95,"start_sec":5412.81,"end_sec":5430.31,"text":"I I figured that. And and my next question is, and Mr. Hugg could maybe chime in on this, um right now we have code enforcement that issues uh summonses, and uh my understanding um is if they don't pay, it goes to a collection agency. Am I correct?","topics_json":"[\"budget\"]","vector_id":"vec_seg_95019_397","created_at":"2026-10-31T07:16:44Z","speaker_name":"Brian E. 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How many times we got to ask? Private citizens are putting it on Facebook. If you have nothing to hide, do it. My recommendation is this, suggestion put into my email: if you don't have time to answer questions, have a town hall meeting where the mayor, full council, Mr. Hugg is present so you can address and answer questions of the citizens, not this cop-out, \"Oh, we can't answer questions this time.\" You have the luxury, the only job I know you get paid for just showing up. You don't get paid for performance, because all these citizens here got hit with a 10% increase in our electric. Before that we got 2% raise in our taxes, for our square footage. We got an EMS fee. You keep on patting yourselves on the back, \"Oh, we submitted a balanced budget.\" A balanced budget taking it out of the wallet of the citizens. A balanced budget is when you have coming in weekly, quarterly, monthly, and yearly, can we afford it? I asked this last meeting, when you rob Peter to pay Paul for the uh non-bargaining employees. You took the money from the jobs that were not uh filled. What happens if you fill those jobs? Oh, you plan on filling them, that means there's going to be a deficit. How are you going to pay for it next year? No one can give me an answer. No one's going to answer. I can tell you how: you're going to raise fees, you're going to raise our taxes. I predict you'll probably going to give us at least a 10% increase in taxes. No one has anything to say, but I'm the bad guy because I send an email. If you answer questions—","topics_json":"[\"budget\",\"taxes\"]","vector_id":"vec_seg_95019_4","created_at":"2026-10-31T07:16:43Z","speaker_name":null},{"id":"seg_95019_40","meeting_id":"95019","media_asset_id":"med_95019_c81cfa7cbdc87508","agenda_item_id":null,"speaker_id":"spk_95019_city_clerk","speaker_confidence":0.95,"start_sec":563.08,"end_sec":567.18,"text":"I can't tell if it's Tim or Jim Stout.","topics_json":"[]","vector_id":"vec_seg_95019_40","created_at":"2026-10-31T07:16:43Z","speaker_name":null},{"id":"seg_95019_400","meeting_id":"95019","media_asset_id":"med_95019_c81cfa7cbdc87508","agenda_item_id":null,"speaker_id":"off_brian_e_lewis","speaker_confidence":0.95,"start_sec":5434.61,"end_sec":5439.61,"text":"Code violation. Uh so so this would kind of be synonymous to a code violation, if I understand.","topics_json":"[\"budget\"]","vector_id":"vec_seg_95019_400","created_at":"2026-10-31T07:16:44Z","speaker_name":"Brian E. 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Um there is some it's a I don't know, when they bail out uh","topics_json":"[\"budget\"]","vector_id":"vec_seg_95019_402","created_at":"2026-10-31T07:16:44Z","speaker_name":"Dave Hugg"},{"id":"seg_95019_403","meeting_id":"95019","media_asset_id":"med_95019_c81cfa7cbdc87508","agenda_item_id":null,"speaker_id":"off_fred_a_neil","speaker_confidence":0.92,"start_sec":5456.81,"end_sec":5474.81,"text":"I thought looking at the generally in a collection agency they they take 10 or 20% or whatever of the collected amount. But in this particular case, as written, the code enforcement officers would not have the authority in it. This is a police matter.","topics_json":"[\"public_safety\"]","vector_id":"vec_seg_95019_403","created_at":"2026-10-31T07:16:44Z","speaker_name":"Fred A. 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But if the individual says, \"Hey, I want my day in court,\" and we have to take that local ordinance violation and roll it over and create a state violation, because that's the only way Court 7 can get it on the docket, well, then once you elevate it to that level and then if you fail to appear or if you don't if you perhaps you lose and you don't pay your fine, then it actually could turn into a warrant because of the fact that the individual elevated it to the level of the JP Court and then if some some part of that process led them into warrant status, well, then, yes, that's possible. But if it doesn't get beyond our level, that's incredibly rare.","topics_json":"[\"public_safety\"]","vector_id":"vec_seg_95019_406","created_at":"2026-10-31T07:16:44Z","speaker_name":"Thomas Johnson"},{"id":"seg_95019_407","meeting_id":"95019","media_asset_id":"med_95019_c81cfa7cbdc87508","agenda_item_id":null,"speaker_id":"off_roy_sudler_jr","speaker_confidence":0.95,"start_sec":5591.41,"end_sec":5603.81,"text":"And that's something at that juncture where if it was elevated and somebody wishes to contest the summons that was issued on the ordinance, you would--","topics_json":"[\"public_safety\"]","vector_id":"vec_seg_95019_407","created_at":"2026-10-31T07:16:44Z","speaker_name":"Roy Sudler, Jr."},{"id":"seg_95019_408","meeting_id":"95019","media_asset_id":"med_95019_c81cfa7cbdc87508","agenda_item_id":null,"speaker_id":"off_brian_e_lewis","speaker_confidence":0.92,"start_sec":5563.8,"end_sec":5571.9,"text":"have the police officer, uh, subpoenaed to appear as a witness, uh, etc., which would take resources off the street?","topics_json":"[\"public_safety\"]","vector_id":"vec_seg_95019_408","created_at":"2026-10-31T07:16:44Z","speaker_name":"Brian E. Lewis"},{"id":"seg_95019_409","meeting_id":"95019","media_asset_id":"med_95019_c81cfa7cbdc87508","agenda_item_id":null,"speaker_id":"spk_95019_thomas_johnson","speaker_confidence":0.95,"start_sec":5571.9,"end_sec":5580.6,"text":"Yeah, it would take the normal course, um, that we would if if we started out with a state-level section and using the state system for the enforcement action.","topics_json":"[\"public_safety\"]","vector_id":"vec_seg_95019_409","created_at":"2026-10-31T07:16:44Z","speaker_name":"Thomas Johnson"},{"id":"seg_95019_41","meeting_id":"95019","media_asset_id":"med_95019_c81cfa7cbdc87508","agenda_item_id":null,"speaker_id":"spk_95019_city_clerk","speaker_confidence":0.95,"start_sec":567.98,"end_sec":569.98,"text":"Is it Tim? Sorry.","topics_json":"[]","vector_id":"vec_seg_95019_41","created_at":"2026-10-31T07:16:43Z","speaker_name":null},{"id":"seg_95019_410","meeting_id":"95019","media_asset_id":"med_95019_c81cfa7cbdc87508","agenda_item_id":null,"speaker_id":"off_brian_e_lewis","speaker_confidence":0.94,"start_sec":5580.6,"end_sec":5616.8,"text":"I have one more question, uh, Chief. Uh, Mr. President, may I just have a couple? Um, how will officers be trained if this ordinance passes, uh, to enforce this ordinance in a way that respects the 1st Amendment and 14th Amendment rights of individuals, especially when Delaware law already provides clear guidance on pedestrian movement without restricting, uh, expressive activity such as charitable solicitation or holding signs on public property? The City Solicitor if he wants to weigh in on this, he can also.","topics_json":"[\"public_safety\"]","vector_id":"vec_seg_95019_410","created_at":"2026-10-31T07:16:44Z","speaker_name":"Brian E. Lewis"},{"id":"seg_95019_411","meeting_id":"95019","media_asset_id":"med_95019_c81cfa7cbdc87508","agenda_item_id":null,"speaker_id":"spk_95019_thomas_johnson","speaker_confidence":0.95,"start_sec":5616.8,"end_sec":5670.8,"text":"Well, I'll begin, uh, and maybe I'll tee it up for the the Solicitor to to add on. This comes down to typical discretion that we use for compliance of the law in any situation at any level. The minimum level is the most preferred level. It's whatever we're trying to do to gain compliance. Um, through my lens, despite any other um thoughts related to this ordinance, through my lens, I'm only focused on the pedestrian safety component of this. If during that timeframe, um, and judging from my some recent uh conversation I had with Councilman Sudler, if there's an opportunity to extend outreach services, we're doing that already. Um, our Behavioral Health Unit for probably three and a half years now, uh, have been approaching people that are on intersections in the flow of traffic trying to offer them services.","topics_json":"[\"public_safety\",\"homelessness\"]","vector_id":"vec_seg_95019_411","created_at":"2026-10-31T07:16:44Z","speaker_name":"Thomas Johnson"},{"id":"seg_95019_412","meeting_id":"95019","media_asset_id":"med_95019_c81cfa7cbdc87508","agenda_item_id":null,"speaker_id":"spk_95019_thomas_johnson","speaker_confidence":0.95,"start_sec":5670.8,"end_sec":5772.6,"text":"is, uh, and a way out. So that would be pretty typical, uh, of our behavior that we've established already. But if if we don't have the availability of the unit on that particular day, uh, or the situation through the totality of the circumstances indicates otherwise, we're just simply going to ask people to move along, especially if we have, if we've had contact with them before and we've already had the discussion: hey, you're familiar, you- you can't be in this particular spot because of of the local ordinance. Um, we're going to use the least restrictive and the least, uh, punitive method to try and gain compliance. If someone becomes obstinate, um, they want to test the resolve of the officer, or they're just having a bad day, whatever it ends up winding up where we actually have to issue, uh, a violation, sooner or later someone is going to court test that. And then eventually, this new ordinance will find its way to some kind of a judicial ruling, uh, and it might end up, um, going through a constitutional test. If, during that constitutional test, the the word comes back like: hey, the ordinance was close, but we're not satisfied, or the ordinance language is satisfactory as it relates to your First Amendment and 14th Amendment issues, then we just continue rolling along, trying to keep the the major intersections clear of people that don't have a chance when an intersection accident occurs. Um, if we aren't successful through the appellate process, uh, as a community with the ordinance that we may have chosen to adopt, then we just have to go back and and and retool. But the First and 14th Amendment, whether on the outset or during a court test, it will be respected. Um,","topics_json":"[\"public_safety\"]","vector_id":"vec_seg_95019_412","created_at":"2026-10-31T07:16:44Z","speaker_name":"Thomas Johnson"},{"id":"seg_95019_413","meeting_id":"95019","media_asset_id":"med_95019_c81cfa7cbdc87508","agenda_item_id":null,"speaker_id":"spk_95019_city_attorney","speaker_confidence":0.85,"start_sec":5772.6,"end_sec":5777.8,"text":"Sir, if I could add to that, the- the Chief is 100% correct in- in terms of the state...","topics_json":"[\"public_safety\"]","vector_id":"vec_seg_95019_413","created_at":"2026-10-31T07:16:44Z","speaker_name":null},{"id":"seg_95019_414","meeting_id":"95019","media_asset_id":"med_95019_c81cfa7cbdc87508","agenda_item_id":null,"speaker_id":"spk_95019_legal_counsel","speaker_confidence":0.85,"start_sec":5777.79,"end_sec":5872.99,"text":"state of the law on the balance between protecting on one hand, the citizens' First and 14th Amendment rights to freedom of expression, freedom of assembly, freedom of speech on the one hand, but also allowing the government to protect its legitimate interest in pedestrian safety. It's been an evolving issue with the courts over the years, and an evolving issue in Delaware. Delaware has a state statute that addresses loitering. The ACLU challenged that in federal court. It was resolved by an agreement by the Attorney General's office not to enforce that or state statute. It's still on the books, but the state has agreed not to enforce the loitering ordinance. But what has to happen is the government has to balance the individual's First and 14th Amendment rights to freedom of expression, assembly, and speech against the government's interest in protecting pedestrians. The language the courts use when they analyze a statute like this is the the ordinance has to be, and I quote, 'narrowly tailored to serve substantial and content-neutral government interests.' So, when and if this ordinance is passed, and when and if this ordinance is challenged, the court's determination will be based on that standard: Has the Has the government, has the city struck an appropriate balance, and narrowly tailored the language of this ordinance to balance the interest of pedestrian safety against the interest of citizen right to expression?","topics_json":"[\"public_safety\"]","vector_id":"vec_seg_95019_414","created_at":"2026-10-31T07:16:44Z","speaker_name":null},{"id":"seg_95019_415","meeting_id":"95019","media_asset_id":"med_95019_c81cfa7cbdc87508","agenda_item_id":null,"speaker_id":"off_brian_e_lewis","speaker_confidence":0.9,"start_sec":5873.79,"end_sec":5878.59,"text":"I have no further questions. Thank you both for answering my questions.","topics_json":"[]","vector_id":"vec_seg_95019_415","created_at":"2026-10-31T07:16:44Z","speaker_name":"Brian E. 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Neil"},{"id":"seg_95019_42","meeting_id":"95019","media_asset_id":"med_95019_c81cfa7cbdc87508","agenda_item_id":null,"speaker_id":"spk_95019_tim_stout","speaker_confidence":0.95,"start_sec":570.08,"end_sec":571.28,"text":"No problem.","topics_json":"[]","vector_id":"vec_seg_95019_42","created_at":"2026-10-31T07:16:43Z","speaker_name":"Tim Stout"},{"id":"seg_95019_420","meeting_id":"95019","media_asset_id":"med_95019_c81cfa7cbdc87508","agenda_item_id":null,"speaker_id":"spk_95019_patricia_marney","speaker_confidence":0.95,"start_sec":5897.79,"end_sec":5898.99,"text":"Can you hear, Council President?","topics_json":"[]","vector_id":"vec_seg_95019_420","created_at":"2026-10-31T07:16:44Z","speaker_name":"Patricia Marney"},{"id":"seg_95019_421","meeting_id":"95019","media_asset_id":"med_95019_c81cfa7cbdc87508","agenda_item_id":null,"speaker_id":"off_fred_a_neil","speaker_confidence":0.95,"start_sec":5899.09,"end_sec":5900.09,"text":"Yeah, you're on.","topics_json":"[]","vector_id":"vec_seg_95019_421","created_at":"2026-10-31T07:16:44Z","speaker_name":"Fred A. Neil"},{"id":"seg_95019_422","meeting_id":"95019","media_asset_id":"med_95019_c81cfa7cbdc87508","agenda_item_id":null,"speaker_id":"spk_95019_patricia_marney","speaker_confidence":0.98,"start_sec":5900.19,"end_sec":5992.29,"text":"Thank you. Thank you, Council President, for recognizing me. I apologize, I still am sick um to everyone in the room. Hopefully you can hear me and understand me. This is Patricia Marney, Controller/Treasurer. In regards to the question regarding collections, there is an 18- as Mr. Hugg indicated, there's an 18 to 20% uh collectible fee that is added to through code enforcement and any other collections through utility, things of that nature, that gets referred to our third-party collector under our current contract. Now, uh as the Chief indicated, we do have a separate uh agreement and obligation for fines that deal through the police department uh that would need to be considered.","topics_json":"[\"budget\",\"public_safety\"]","vector_id":"vec_seg_95019_422","created_at":"2026-10-31T07:16:44Z","speaker_name":"Patricia Marney"},{"id":"seg_95019_423","meeting_id":"95019","media_asset_id":"med_95019_c81cfa7cbdc87508","agenda_item_id":null,"speaker_id":"off_fred_a_neil","speaker_confidence":0.95,"start_sec":5993.59,"end_sec":5996.19,"text":"Thank you. Councilman Sudler.","topics_json":"[]","vector_id":"vec_seg_95019_423","created_at":"2026-10-31T07:16:44Z","speaker_name":"Fred A. Neil"},{"id":"seg_95019_424","meeting_id":"95019","media_asset_id":"med_95019_c81cfa7cbdc87508","agenda_item_id":null,"speaker_id":"off_roy_sudler_jr","speaker_confidence":0.95,"start_sec":5997.29,"end_sec":6031.79,"text":"Thank you, Mr. President, for recognizing me. Uh so first let me say I do agree with the sentiment and the basis of the foundation of making sure people are safe within the median, um and not have individuals in the median, and how that impact impacts the obstruction of view of the driver and also delay of traffic issues. So I am in agreement with individuals do not need to be on the median um, period, for whatever reason. Um however, my approach is a little bit different. I believe-","topics_json":"[\"public_safety\",\"homelessness\"]","vector_id":"vec_seg_95019_424","created_at":"2026-10-31T07:16:44Z","speaker_name":"Roy Sudler, Jr."},{"id":"seg_95019_425","meeting_id":"95019","media_asset_id":"med_95019_c81cfa7cbdc87508","agenda_item_id":null,"speaker_id":"off_roy_sudler_jr","speaker_confidence":0.95,"start_sec":5991.79,"end_sec":6047.19,"text":"feel that they need to be ushered off the median and onto uh an area that provides resources or have like a a an array of resources whether it's mental health, substance abuse, um co-occurring issues, whatever circumstance they're dealing with, I would like to see us provide resources for them and not advocate for arresting them. You cannot arrest your way out of the situation. We have to have resources. I would like, if if the council president is okay with that, uh I would like to call our opioid-induced disorder um opioid adviser Ms. Toni Jordan who is an expert and is dealing with uh these type of circumstances right now in North Dover uh Group Counseling. Uh if it's okay, can I call her up to speak on this matter?","topics_json":"[\"homelessness\",\"public_safety\"]","vector_id":"vec_seg_95019_425","created_at":"2026-10-31T07:16:44Z","speaker_name":"Roy Sudler, Jr."},{"id":"seg_95019_426","meeting_id":"95019","media_asset_id":"med_95019_c81cfa7cbdc87508","agenda_item_id":null,"speaker_id":"off_fred_a_neil","speaker_confidence":0.95,"start_sec":6047.19,"end_sec":6049.79,"text":"You certainly can, Dr. Sudler.","topics_json":"[]","vector_id":"vec_seg_95019_426","created_at":"2026-10-31T07:16:44Z","speaker_name":"Fred A. Neil"},{"id":"seg_95019_427","meeting_id":"95019","media_asset_id":"med_95019_c81cfa7cbdc87508","agenda_item_id":null,"speaker_id":"off_roy_sudler_jr","speaker_confidence":0.95,"start_sec":6049.79,"end_sec":6064.59,"text":"And then I'll just have uh once she's finished, you can come forward to state your name, your organization, and just your and just give us your view on the topic from your expertise. Thank you.","topics_json":"[]","vector_id":"vec_seg_95019_427","created_at":"2026-10-31T07:16:44Z","speaker_name":"Roy Sudler, Jr."},{"id":"seg_95019_428","meeting_id":"95019","media_asset_id":"med_95019_c81cfa7cbdc87508","agenda_item_id":null,"speaker_id":"spk_95019_city_clerk","speaker_confidence":0.9,"start_sec":6064.59,"end_sec":6068.49,"text":"Dr. Sudler. Dr. Sudler, name, name and organization.","topics_json":"[]","vector_id":"vec_seg_95019_428","created_at":"2026-10-31T07:16:44Z","speaker_name":null},{"id":"seg_95019_429","meeting_id":"95019","media_asset_id":"med_95019_c81cfa7cbdc87508","agenda_item_id":null,"speaker_id":"spk_95019_toni_jordan","speaker_confidence":0.95,"start_sec":6068.49,"end_sec":6098.79,"text":"Hi, I'm Toni Jordan, um 99 Pine Valley Road, Dover, Delaware. So, thank you for allowing me to speak. As uh Councilman Sudler said, I am on the opioid task force committee, um excited about the prospect of helping. And one of the things, um we all want everyone to be safe as the citizens of our of our city. We don't want anyone to be hit by a vehicle or anything like that, obviously, but we need to be able to direct people to the resources they need.","topics_json":"[\"homelessness\",\"public_safety\"]","vector_id":"vec_seg_95019_429","created_at":"2026-10-31T07:16:44Z","speaker_name":"Toni Jordan"},{"id":"seg_95019_43","meeting_id":"95019","media_asset_id":"med_95019_c81cfa7cbdc87508","agenda_item_id":null,"speaker_id":"spk_95019_tim_stout","speaker_confidence":0.95,"start_sec":571.98,"end_sec":641.98,"text":"My address is 599 Roberta Avenue. Uh my name is Tim Stout. I'm a citizen of Dover since 2017, 2018. Um I quite frankly find it really shameful that we're even considering the notion of fining people at their lowest and those who consider to help them. Um When I interned at a homeless shelter in 2022-2023, you know the one thing I did not hear people say? Dang, I really wish I was getting fined for this. I really wish I was being punished for this. Who is this helping? Gen- genuinely, who is this helping? I'd love to know. Is it for your own comfort? Are you uncomfortable with them being there? Do something. Genuinely. Do something about it. Give funding or resources. Help these people find resources. As many people I'm sure will tell you tonight, there is not enough resources already. Fund those res-","topics_json":"[\"homelessness\",\"housing\",\"budget\"]","vector_id":"vec_seg_95019_43","created_at":"2026-10-31T07:16:43Z","speaker_name":"Tim Stout"},{"id":"seg_95019_430","meeting_id":"95019","media_asset_id":"med_95019_c81cfa7cbdc87508","agenda_item_id":null,"speaker_id":"spk_95019_chunk58_speaker_1","speaker_confidence":0.95,"start_sec":6098.78,"end_sec":6106.18,"text":"We need to be able to ask the question, what is it that we can do to help you today, and determine who is going to be able to get that help.","topics_json":"[\"homelessness\",\"public_safety\"]","vector_id":"vec_seg_95019_430","created_at":"2026-10-31T07:16:44Z","speaker_name":null},{"id":"seg_95019_431","meeting_id":"95019","media_asset_id":"med_95019_c81cfa7cbdc87508","agenda_item_id":null,"speaker_id":"spk_95019_chunk58_speaker_1","speaker_confidence":0.95,"start_sec":6106.18,"end_sec":6119.78,"text":"Um, the police chief mentioned the Behavioral Health Unit at the police department, so I'd be really happy to find out how that process works and how we can support the police department because I know the resources are limited.","topics_json":"[\"homelessness\",\"public_safety\"]","vector_id":"vec_seg_95019_431","created_at":"2026-10-31T07:16:44Z","speaker_name":null},{"id":"seg_95019_432","meeting_id":"95019","media_asset_id":"med_95019_c81cfa7cbdc87508","agenda_item_id":null,"speaker_id":"spk_95019_chunk58_speaker_1","speaker_confidence":0.95,"start_sec":6119.78,"end_sec":6138.28,"text":"And as a task force committee member, we know that providing the resources to people is going to be a matter of identifying exactly what they need, because at the end of the day, they're in the median because they need the money for anything: food, shelter, whatever the case may be.","topics_json":"[\"homelessness\"]","vector_id":"vec_seg_95019_432","created_at":"2026-10-31T07:16:44Z","speaker_name":null},{"id":"seg_95019_433","meeting_id":"95019","media_asset_id":"med_95019_c81cfa7cbdc87508","agenda_item_id":null,"speaker_id":"spk_95019_chunk58_speaker_1","speaker_confidence":0.95,"start_sec":6138.28,"end_sec":6148.78,"text":"We can't assume that everyone is addicted to drugs or has a mental health issue or, you know, whatever the case may be. Everyone has a different situation.","topics_json":"[\"homelessness\"]","vector_id":"vec_seg_95019_433","created_at":"2026-10-31T07:16:44Z","speaker_name":null},{"id":"seg_95019_434","meeting_id":"95019","media_asset_id":"med_95019_c81cfa7cbdc87508","agenda_item_id":null,"speaker_id":"spk_95019_chunk58_speaker_1","speaker_confidence":0.95,"start_sec":6148.78,"end_sec":6155.28,"text":"So, the simplest question is to approach people with respect and simply say: How can we help you?","topics_json":"[\"homelessness\"]","vector_id":"vec_seg_95019_434","created_at":"2026-10-31T07:16:44Z","speaker_name":null},{"id":"seg_95019_435","meeting_id":"95019","media_asset_id":"med_95019_c81cfa7cbdc87508","agenda_item_id":null,"speaker_id":"spk_95019_chunk58_speaker_1","speaker_confidence":0.95,"start_sec":6155.28,"end_sec":6165.28,"text":"Now, we know that some people will say: \"Leave me alone,\" right? And if that's the case, we'll get them to a safer area off the median where they can go.","topics_json":"[\"homelessness\",\"public_safety\"]","vector_id":"vec_seg_95019_435","created_at":"2026-10-31T07:16:44Z","speaker_name":null},{"id":"seg_95019_436","meeting_id":"95019","media_asset_id":"med_95019_c81cfa7cbdc87508","agenda_item_id":null,"speaker_id":"spk_95019_chunk58_speaker_1","speaker_confidence":0.95,"start_sec":6165.28,"end_sec":6176.58,"text":"But I know that the police department can't do it by themselves, and neither can we at North Node Counseling. So it's really exciting that we can partner with people with boots on the ground, grassroots organizations, other agencies,","topics_json":"[\"homelessness\",\"public_safety\"]","vector_id":"vec_seg_95019_436","created_at":"2026-10-31T07:16:44Z","speaker_name":null},{"id":"seg_95019_437","meeting_id":"95019","media_asset_id":"med_95019_c81cfa7cbdc87508","agenda_item_id":null,"speaker_id":"spk_95019_chunk58_speaker_1","speaker_confidence":0.95,"start_sec":6176.58,"end_sec":6185.18,"text":"and use this as an opportunity to figure out how can we approach people using methods that are evidence-based, such as,","topics_json":"[\"homelessness\"]","vector_id":"vec_seg_95019_437","created_at":"2026-10-31T07:16:44Z","speaker_name":null},{"id":"seg_95019_438","meeting_id":"95019","media_asset_id":"med_95019_c81cfa7cbdc87508","agenda_item_id":null,"speaker_id":"spk_95019_chunk58_speaker_1","speaker_confidence":0.95,"start_sec":6185.18,"end_sec":6194.08,"text":"for example, I have here, um, one of the things that we do is a, it's called the SBIRT method: screening, brief intervention, response method.","topics_json":"[\"homelessness\"]","vector_id":"vec_seg_95019_438","created_at":"2026-10-31T07:16:44Z","speaker_name":null},{"id":"seg_95019_439","meeting_id":"95019","media_asset_id":"med_95019_c81cfa7cbdc87508","agenda_item_id":null,"speaker_id":"spk_95019_chunk58_speaker_1","speaker_confidence":0.95,"start_sec":6194.08,"end_sec":6203.08,"text":"Um, and there's plenty of organizations that do this method, but the problem is is that there is no follow-through and follow-up support. And so,","topics_json":"[\"homelessness\"]","vector_id":"vec_seg_95019_439","created_at":"2026-10-31T07:16:44Z","speaker_name":null},{"id":"seg_95019_44","meeting_id":"95019","media_asset_id":"med_95019_c81cfa7cbdc87508","agenda_item_id":null,"speaker_id":"spk_95019_public_commenter","speaker_confidence":0.95,"start_sec":641.98,"end_sec":700.06,"text":"resources, give them the resources, and make it accessible. None of these people want to be in this situation. I have yet to meet a person who has said, \"I wanted this.\" So I quite frankly find it astonishing that we are still in the great year of our Lord 2025 saying, \"Yes, let us punish the poor.\" This isn't even just punishment. This is when we are making these laws where you are fining someone, that's not a punishment, that's a tax. That's just another tax on these people who already have nothing. So, I will gladly come back here and congratulate you all when you decide to do something, fund all of these resources that have yet to get that funding. But until then, shame. I yield my time.","topics_json":"[\"homelessness\",\"housing\",\"taxes\"]","vector_id":"vec_seg_95019_44","created_at":"2026-10-31T07:16:43Z","speaker_name":null},{"id":"seg_95019_440","meeting_id":"95019","media_asset_id":"med_95019_c81cfa7cbdc87508","agenda_item_id":null,"speaker_id":"spk_95019_chunk58_speaker_1","speaker_confidence":0.95,"start_sec":6203.08,"end_sec":6205.78,"text":"we have an","topics_json":"[\"homelessness\"]","vector_id":"vec_seg_95019_440","created_at":"2026-10-31T07:16:44Z","speaker_name":null},{"id":"seg_95019_441","meeting_id":"95019","media_asset_id":"med_95019_c81cfa7cbdc87508","agenda_item_id":null,"speaker_id":"spk_95019_public_commenter","speaker_confidence":0.9,"start_sec":6205.78,"end_sec":6225.08,"text":"opportunity to not penalize people for being in panhandling, being in the medians, but also directing them, as Councilman Sudler, to resources and support that can help based on what it is that they need individually. Um, that's pretty much it.","topics_json":"[\"homelessness\",\"public_safety\"]","vector_id":"vec_seg_95019_441","created_at":"2026-10-31T07:16:44Z","speaker_name":null},{"id":"seg_95019_442","meeting_id":"95019","media_asset_id":"med_95019_c81cfa7cbdc87508","agenda_item_id":null,"speaker_id":"off_fred_a_neil","speaker_confidence":0.95,"start_sec":6227.88,"end_sec":6258.38,"text":"Thank you. One of the things that's extremely disturbing is in the Quality of Life initiative by the police department indicated the number of people who have actually refused help. And that is one of the biggest problems we have. If you don't think we want to offer help, it's not true. We've offered help, and people have simply said, \"I don't want it.\" And there's a problem because there's nothing we can do to make them do that. Except uh Councilman Anderson.","topics_json":"[\"homelessness\",\"public_safety\"]","vector_id":"vec_seg_95019_442","created_at":"2026-10-31T07:16:44Z","speaker_name":"Fred A. Neil"},{"id":"seg_95019_443","meeting_id":"95019","media_asset_id":"med_95019_c81cfa7cbdc87508","agenda_item_id":null,"speaker_id":"off_andre_m_boggerty","speaker_confidence":0.95,"start_sec":6258.58,"end_sec":6307.88,"text":"Council President, just before, if you don't mind I would just like to I just wanted to say one quick comment before that, if that's all right with you.","topics_json":"[]","vector_id":"vec_seg_95019_443","created_at":"2026-10-31T07:16:44Z","speaker_name":"Andre M. Boggerty"},{"id":"seg_95019_444","meeting_id":"95019","media_asset_id":"med_95019_c81cfa7cbdc87508","agenda_item_id":null,"speaker_id":"off_fred_a_neil","speaker_confidence":0.95,"start_sec":6307.88,"end_sec":6309.28,"text":"Yes, please, go ahead.","topics_json":"[]","vector_id":"vec_seg_95019_444","created_at":"2026-10-31T07:16:44Z","speaker_name":"Fred A. 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And so I hope that's Thank you.","topics_json":"[]","vector_id":"vec_seg_95019_446","created_at":"2026-10-31T07:16:44Z","speaker_name":null},{"id":"seg_95019_447","meeting_id":"95019","media_asset_id":"med_95019_c81cfa7cbdc87508","agenda_item_id":null,"speaker_id":"off_roy_sudler_jr","speaker_confidence":0.9,"start_sec":6317.58,"end_sec":6320.28,"text":"Councilman Anderson.","topics_json":"[]","vector_id":"vec_seg_95019_447","created_at":"2026-10-31T07:16:44Z","speaker_name":"Roy Sudler, Jr."},{"id":"seg_95019_448","meeting_id":"95019","media_asset_id":"med_95019_c81cfa7cbdc87508","agenda_item_id":null,"speaker_id":"off_david_l_anderson","speaker_confidence":0.95,"start_sec":6320.28,"end_sec":6419.78,"text":"Thank you, Council President. We have, uh, uh I think addressed a number of important issues and, and some misconceptions about, uh, the proposal, uh, one being that it's unnecessary because of, uh, state law. I think that was it, uh, addressed pretty well. For one, uh, you don't want to take and have people, uh, the first response be a state law that is sort of vague and not as consistent, number one. But two, uh, you the state law engages people into the criminal justice system before that becomes necessary. And that's something that we're trying to avoid. But we're trying to get, uh, two pieces. One is, uh, get people into services. And two, have an accountability piece because there's a lot of people that unless you do both, are never going to get the help. I've worked in some of these spaces for years, uh, especially helping people who've been homeless, and I can tell you that there's, uh, two sides to that. There's the people who, uh, just need a quick hand-off, and then there's the people who have many, many underlying problems. And until it's uh, quite frankly, you they have to be moved some-","topics_json":"[\"homelessness\",\"public_safety\"]","vector_id":"vec_seg_95019_448","created_at":"2026-10-31T07:16:44Z","speaker_name":"David L. Anderson"},{"id":"seg_95019_449","meeting_id":"95019","media_asset_id":"med_95019_c81cfa7cbdc87508","agenda_item_id":null,"speaker_id":"off_david_l_anderson","speaker_confidence":0.95,"start_sec":6419.77,"end_sec":6526.77,"text":"time to where it's more convenient for them to, when to get help than not. But to me, this ordinance is very simple, if you look at it and look how it's drafted. It's a very consistent ordinance to just make sure people aren't in danger, that they aren't, for instance, in the medians, in places where it can be danger. If they're on the sidewalk, it's no problem. If they're, uh, the ordinance is set up so not to ban panhandling. There's no intention of that. Uh, that, to me, banning panhandling per se, uh, is something that would be problematic. I even opposed, if you go on the record in the past, a, uh, proposal to ban panhandling, because I, I mean, I believe that, in and of itself, it is a method of speech. And I don't believe in, uh, quite frankly, I'm a constitutionalist. And I, being a constitutionalist, I do not favor infringing on people's constitutional rights, and I stand against that. Now, what I also believe is that just like, uh, that people have a constitutional right to safe travel. I believe that people have, that the government has the duty to protect life. I believe the government has the duty to protect property. That's also in the Constitution. That is our","topics_json":"[\"public_safety\",\"homelessness\"]","vector_id":"vec_seg_95019_449","created_at":"2026-10-31T07:16:44Z","speaker_name":"David L. 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That's why we have something that our attorney has done very well with, um, when it comes to, uh, the crafting to make sure that the constitutional interests are balanced, to make sure that it's something that is that is strong and something that will be that is not onerous to people. I know that there is, uh, some people disagree with the idea of accountability being an an element, but I think it's essential. And if we don't, more people are going to be hurt, and possibly people will die. I'd rather deal with a couple people's criticisms than deal with people dying. I was on a call, and it it was, uh, dealing with pedestrian safety, and it had to do with, uh, the pedestrian safety in this area, in the market mall and and the like, and I and it's something that has to stop. It's something that if we're going to be responsible, we need to make sure it happens, because it's not compassionate to close your eyes to people getting hurt. Now, if someone wants to take and have that activity, um,","topics_json":"[\"public_safety\"]","vector_id":"vec_seg_95019_450","created_at":"2026-10-31T07:16:44Z","speaker_name":"David L. Anderson"},{"id":"seg_95019_451","meeting_id":"95019","media_asset_id":"med_95019_c81cfa7cbdc87508","agenda_item_id":null,"speaker_id":"off_david_l_anderson","speaker_confidence":0.95,"start_sec":6633.76,"end_sec":6740.76,"text":"they're allowed to go there to protect that right that they have. It it's just that there's something that the courts would call it, a time, place, and manner restriction. That's very common, and that's something that is uh necessary for people who need that's something that's necessary. I mean, in a median, for instance, right now in the City of Dover, you're not allowed to put a political sign. Why? Because it could be a danger to the person putting it there, and it could be a danger to the person who is uh It could be a danger to the person putting it there and and it's considered a distraction in that location to drivers. And a political sign is one is basically one of the highest uncontested levels of of protected speech. And if you're telling me that a political sign that's this that's this big uh is a distraction, how can somebody walking and nearly falling into the road not be a problem and not be a safety issue? And where where if you look in the totality of what the City of Dover actually allows in those spaces. You're not allowed to park there because it it could be a distraction, it could block the view. You're not allowed to uh have signs. You're not allowed to hitchhike, and a whole host of things that you're not allowed to do there, this is just","topics_json":"[\"public_safety\",\"homelessness\"]","vector_id":"vec_seg_95019_451","created_at":"2026-10-31T07:16:44Z","speaker_name":"David L. Anderson"},{"id":"seg_95019_452","meeting_id":"95019","media_asset_id":"med_95019_c81cfa7cbdc87508","agenda_item_id":null,"speaker_id":"off_david_l_anderson","speaker_confidence":0.95,"start_sec":6740.76,"end_sec":6847.76,"text":"um being consistent uh so that people can understand what the law is instead of having to guess it. It's just protecting people in in a way that's consistent with everything else. That's the idea behind it. It's nothing to do with anything else but safety. And uh and it's um and I want to thank uh Councilman Lewis for uh bringing up a number of questions, uh because people absolutely need to hear the answers and understand them for themselves. Uh, we the city of Dover is the place that is a compassionate place. We, as you hear, we're at working on workforce development initiatives. We have initiatives to where we help fund uh kitchens to feed people who are hungry. We've uh we put hundreds of thousands of dollars into affordable housing initiatives, uh senior housing. We've we're working on other items besides. We we've had put money aside to uh do more for those who are unsheltered. Um, the city of Dover uh, in fact, uh then-Councilman, now Mayor Christiansen, Councilman Taylor, and I uh worked to make sure to bring the mental health uh component into the the Dover Police Department. I mean, this this is stuff we've done first, not last. Now you what you did, as we saw in a extensive report with the quality of","topics_json":"[\"public_safety\",\"housing\",\"homelessness\"]","vector_id":"vec_seg_95019_452","created_at":"2026-10-31T07:16:44Z","speaker_name":"David L. Anderson"},{"id":"seg_95019_453","meeting_id":"95019","media_asset_id":"med_95019_c81cfa7cbdc87508","agenda_item_id":null,"speaker_id":"off_david_l_anderson","speaker_confidence":0.95,"start_sec":6847.76,"end_sec":6860.56,"text":"life support, you have to have an enforcement component, an accountability component, in order to make the others work. I yield, Mr. President.","topics_json":"[]","vector_id":"vec_seg_95019_453","created_at":"2026-10-31T07:16:44Z","speaker_name":"David L. Anderson"},{"id":"seg_95019_454","meeting_id":"95019","media_asset_id":"med_95019_c81cfa7cbdc87508","agenda_item_id":null,"speaker_id":"off_fred_a_neil","speaker_confidence":0.95,"start_sec":6860.56,"end_sec":6862.56,"text":"Thank you, sir.","topics_json":"[]","vector_id":"vec_seg_95019_454","created_at":"2026-10-31T07:16:44Z","speaker_name":"Fred A. Neil"},{"id":"seg_95019_455","meeting_id":"95019","media_asset_id":"med_95019_c81cfa7cbdc87508","agenda_item_id":null,"speaker_id":"off_fred_a_neil","speaker_confidence":0.95,"start_sec":6865.26,"end_sec":6878.26,"text":"We could go back to at this point to approve the going back to committee for this report to go on to and then come back to us later. Yes, Councilman.","topics_json":"[]","vector_id":"vec_seg_95019_455","created_at":"2026-10-31T07:16:44Z","speaker_name":"Fred A. Neil"},{"id":"seg_95019_456","meeting_id":"95019","media_asset_id":"med_95019_c81cfa7cbdc87508","agenda_item_id":null,"speaker_id":"off_david_l_anderson","speaker_confidence":0.95,"start_sec":6878.26,"end_sec":6969.96,"text":"Mr. President, um, I move that we, as uh, we have recommended before, that we refer this uh, uh back to committee. And I would like to encourage, by the way, uh everyone that we've gotten a number of people on both sides of this issue, and I would encourage people to continue communicating, because your communication will make things a better ordinance. And I want you to communicate this so that when the committee develops it, we have the best version that has the most support from the most people, because that's uh, I think that's the best outcome. Give your input. Uh, I move that we refer this back to committee uh, Mr. President, as recommended.","topics_json":"[]","vector_id":"vec_seg_95019_456","created_at":"2026-10-31T07:16:44Z","speaker_name":"David L. 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Neil"},{"id":"seg_95019_459","meeting_id":"95019","media_asset_id":"med_95019_c81cfa7cbdc87508","agenda_item_id":null,"speaker_id":"off_gerald_l_rocha_sr","speaker_confidence":0.95,"start_sec":6973.46,"end_sec":6994.76,"text":"Yeah, um, so just for clarity, now that it was pulled off the consent agenda and it's on the agenda, if if we hold public comment to an open forum, they're not allowed to address any agenda items. Shouldn't we—","topics_json":"[]","vector_id":"vec_seg_95019_459","created_at":"2026-10-31T07:16:44Z","speaker_name":"Gerald L. Rocha, Sr."},{"id":"seg_95019_46","meeting_id":"95019","media_asset_id":"med_95019_c81cfa7cbdc87508","agenda_item_id":null,"speaker_id":"spk_95019_city_clerk","speaker_confidence":0.95,"start_sec":748.08,"end_sec":751.78,"text":"This is the last one in... This is the last one.","topics_json":"[]","vector_id":"vec_seg_95019_46","created_at":"2026-10-31T07:16:43Z","speaker_name":null},{"id":"seg_95019_460","meeting_id":"95019","media_asset_id":"med_95019_c81cfa7cbdc87508","agenda_item_id":null,"speaker_id":"off_david_l_anderson","speaker_confidence":0.95,"start_sec":6954.75,"end_sec":6960.25,"text":"if they want to address this specifically, should we open it up to the public now and get that over with?","topics_json":"[]","vector_id":"vec_seg_95019_460","created_at":"2026-10-31T07:16:44Z","speaker_name":"David L. Anderson"},{"id":"seg_95019_461","meeting_id":"95019","media_asset_id":"med_95019_c81cfa7cbdc87508","agenda_item_id":null,"speaker_id":"off_tricia_k_arndt","speaker_confidence":0.85,"start_sec":6960.55,"end_sec":6962.25,"text":"Wait, it's not completed.","topics_json":"[]","vector_id":"vec_seg_95019_461","created_at":"2026-10-31T07:16:44Z","speaker_name":"Tricia K. Arndt"},{"id":"seg_95019_462","meeting_id":"95019","media_asset_id":"med_95019_c81cfa7cbdc87508","agenda_item_id":null,"speaker_id":"off_fred_a_neil","speaker_confidence":0.95,"start_sec":6962.55,"end_sec":6965.55,"text":"Point of order? Yes.","topics_json":"[]","vector_id":"vec_seg_95019_462","created_at":"2026-10-31T07:16:44Z","speaker_name":"Fred A. Neil"},{"id":"seg_95019_463","meeting_id":"95019","media_asset_id":"med_95019_c81cfa7cbdc87508","agenda_item_id":null,"speaker_id":"off_fred_a_neil","speaker_confidence":0.95,"start_sec":6965.95,"end_sec":6982.25,"text":"Um, open forum, you're allowed to address agenda items. Just not agenda items that have a public hearing. In other words, like like you you can talk about any item in open forum on this agenda, but the rezoning issue.","topics_json":"[\"zoning\"]","vector_id":"vec_seg_95019_463","created_at":"2026-10-31T07:16:44Z","speaker_name":"Fred A. 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It's very dark at night, and I know some people like, \"Oh, it's not a big deal.\" But um I had nowhere to go. I couldn't back up, I couldn't move to the left, I couldn't move to the right. And like I said, I'm a woman by myself, it's dark. I don't know what this person wants. I don't know does he want to carjack my car, I don't I don't know if he's homeless like what people were saying, or if he's on drugs, I don't know. But then they go to the next car, and they're banging on their window trying to get them to open the window, and they said, \"No.\" Then the light turns green, and the man is still standing like um you just said how those lanes are, he's standing like right here, before he can move on. And he could have gotten hit by a car. Something something needs to be done. I mean, I'm seeing the people with the that doing this, the that fentanyl thing on on the median strips. Somebody's Somebody's going to get killed. Somebody's going to get killed. We can still do the panhandling, but it needs to be not right there in the intersection. And and we need to do something. I I don't know if this is part of this, but I'm tired. I've opened my door twice in the past like It happened uh twice within 2 weeks. Once on Fulton Street, and then on um right out in front of where I live.","topics_json":"[\"public_safety\",\"homelessness\"]","vector_id":"vec_seg_95019_536","created_at":"2026-10-31T07:16:45Z","speaker_name":null},{"id":"seg_95019_537","meeting_id":"95019","media_asset_id":"med_95019_c81cfa7cbdc87508","agenda_item_id":null,"speaker_id":"spk_95019_public_commenter","speaker_confidence":0.85,"start_sec":7703.73,"end_sec":7767.53,"text":"I've seen two different young women just laying on the street, and I went to both women and I touched their bodies, and, and they felt, they felt dead. Their, their bodies were cold. We have got to do something. We have got to force these people. I know everyone, \"Oh, we don't want to force people.\" We have got to do something, because we're losing people. And these kids, they felt dead. People just kept driving by them, just leaving them there. Um, I wanted to do this tiny house thing a long time ago. We need affordable housing, I agree with this. We need these tiny homes, but people are like, \"NIMBY, not in my backyard.\" There's an Oxford House that's near me. I don't ever have a problem. While I was helping the one girl, the Oxford people came up in a van, and they were assisting me. You know what, I didn't even know they were right by me. They've never bothered us, they've never caused a problem. We need more of that to help these people, because our people are suffering. And there are families out there right now that they are suffering and they need, they need to get their families help. And you shouldn't have to go to mental health services to say, \"Oh, I want to kill myself\" before you can get help. This is, this is what is happening right now. Why do you have to say you're suicidal when you're not suicidal? We have got to be better. I'm sorry. I'm just frustrated. I'm sorry.","topics_json":"[\"homelessness\",\"housing\",\"public_safety\"]","vector_id":"vec_seg_95019_537","created_at":"2026-10-31T07:16:45Z","speaker_name":null},{"id":"seg_95019_538","meeting_id":"95019","media_asset_id":"med_95019_c81cfa7cbdc87508","agenda_item_id":null,"speaker_id":"off_fred_a_neil","speaker_confidence":0.85,"start_sec":7766.53,"end_sec":7767.83,"text":"Thank you.","topics_json":"[]","vector_id":"vec_seg_95019_538","created_at":"2026-10-31T07:16:45Z","speaker_name":"Fred A. 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Talking about churches, 24-hour diners, transportation centers, Amtrak centers, and, you know, I do my best, drop them off and pray that strangers will be be kind to them and be gentle to them and will show them grace.","topics_json":"[\"homelessness\",\"housing\"]","vector_id":"vec_seg_95019_54","created_at":"2026-10-31T07:16:43Z","speaker_name":null},{"id":"seg_95019_540","meeting_id":"95019","media_asset_id":"med_95019_c81cfa7cbdc87508","agenda_item_id":null,"speaker_id":"spk_95019_michelle_paul","speaker_confidence":0.95,"start_sec":7792.93,"end_sec":7810.73,"text":"Michelle Paul, Dover, Delaware. 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So if they're there because they're on opio-, you know, because they are doing drugs and things like that, we have to have an avenue so we can direct those people to services.","topics_json":"[\"public_safety\",\"homelessness\"]","vector_id":"vec_seg_95019_543","created_at":"2026-10-31T07:16:45Z","speaker_name":null},{"id":"seg_95019_544","meeting_id":"95019","media_asset_id":"med_95019_c81cfa7cbdc87508","agenda_item_id":null,"speaker_id":"spk_95019_kim_paul","speaker_confidence":0.9,"start_sec":7917.72,"end_sec":7938.52,"text":"and, in some cases, it may be warranted to go through and give them the choice of do you want to be arrested, and do you want to go to jail, or do you want to seek treatment? Some people will go through, if they have the option for treatment, as opposed to incarceration, they will take that option for treatment. Can we force them? 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But this is the world that we're living in, and I don't believe that this is acceptable, that this should have ever been acceptable. This ordinance is cruel, and it is ineffective. And rather than focusing on long-term solutions to homelessness and housing crisis, city seated leadership is willing to arrest and fine people for being poor. This is unacceptable.","topics_json":"[\"homelessness\",\"housing\",\"public_safety\"]","vector_id":"vec_seg_95019_55","created_at":"2026-10-31T07:16:43Z","speaker_name":null},{"id":"seg_95019_550","meeting_id":"95019","media_asset_id":"med_95019_c81cfa7cbdc87508","agenda_item_id":null,"speaker_id":"off_fred_a_neil","speaker_confidence":0.9,"start_sec":8008.72,"end_sec":8010.22,"text":"Thank you, Ms. Paul.","topics_json":"[]","vector_id":"vec_seg_95019_550","created_at":"2026-10-31T07:16:45Z","speaker_name":"Fred A. 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Neil"},{"id":"seg_95019_56","meeting_id":"95019","media_asset_id":"med_95019_c81cfa7cbdc87508","agenda_item_id":null,"speaker_id":"off_robin_r_christiansen","speaker_confidence":0.85,"start_sec":880.77,"end_sec":894.77,"text":"Thank you. Now I'll call on uh The uh meeting to order. We will continue this meeting after the regular session is over.","topics_json":"[]","vector_id":"vec_seg_95019_56","created_at":"2026-10-31T07:16:43Z","speaker_name":"Robin R. 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Each one of y'all sitting here tonight.","topics_json":"[\"homelessness\"]","vector_id":"vec_seg_95019_562","created_at":"2026-10-31T07:16:45Z","speaker_name":null},{"id":"seg_95019_563","meeting_id":"95019","media_asset_id":"med_95019_c81cfa7cbdc87508","agenda_item_id":null,"speaker_id":"spk_95019_public_commenter","speaker_confidence":0.9,"start_sec":8136.21,"end_sec":8145.61,"text":"If your child tonight was out there on the street, in that median strip,","topics_json":"[\"homelessness\",\"public_safety\"]","vector_id":"vec_seg_95019_563","created_at":"2026-10-31T07:16:45Z","speaker_name":null},{"id":"seg_95019_564","meeting_id":"95019","media_asset_id":"med_95019_c81cfa7cbdc87508","agenda_item_id":null,"speaker_id":"spk_95019_public_commenter","speaker_confidence":0.9,"start_sec":8146.21,"end_sec":8150.51,"text":"hungry, looking for a sandwich,","topics_json":"[\"homelessness\"]","vector_id":"vec_seg_95019_564","created_at":"2026-10-31T07:16:45Z","speaker_name":null},{"id":"seg_95019_565","meeting_id":"95019","media_asset_id":"med_95019_c81cfa7cbdc87508","agenda_item_id":null,"speaker_id":"spk_95019_public_commenter","speaker_confidence":0.9,"start_sec":8151.01,"end_sec":8155.21,"text":"would you tell somebody to ride by them?","topics_json":"[\"homelessness\"]","vector_id":"vec_seg_95019_565","created_at":"2026-10-31T07:16:45Z","speaker_name":null},{"id":"seg_95019_566","meeting_id":"95019","media_asset_id":"med_95019_c81cfa7cbdc87508","agenda_item_id":null,"speaker_id":"spk_95019_public_commenter","speaker_confidence":0.9,"start_sec":8156.01,"end_sec":8163.41,"text":"Or would you take time to say, \"My child is hungry, I hope somebody will feed them\"?","topics_json":"[\"homelessness\"]","vector_id":"vec_seg_95019_566","created_at":"2026-10-31T07:16:45Z","speaker_name":null},{"id":"seg_95019_567","meeting_id":"95019","media_asset_id":"med_95019_c81cfa7cbdc87508","agenda_item_id":null,"speaker_id":"spk_95019_public_commenter","speaker_confidence":0.9,"start_sec":8163.81,"end_sec":8170.91,"text":"That's the place where we all should be thinking right now. If it was my child, how would I handle this?","topics_json":"[\"homelessness\"]","vector_id":"vec_seg_95019_567","created_at":"2026-10-31T07:16:45Z","speaker_name":null},{"id":"seg_95019_568","meeting_id":"95019","media_asset_id":"med_95019_c81cfa7cbdc87508","agenda_item_id":null,"speaker_id":"spk_95019_public_commenter","speaker_confidence":0.9,"start_sec":8171.31,"end_sec":8186.51,"text":"Everyone in here tonight is probably only two paychecks away from losing your home, losing your car, have no food to eat, children can't go to the college.","topics_json":"[\"homelessness\",\"housing\"]","vector_id":"vec_seg_95019_568","created_at":"2026-10-31T07:16:45Z","speaker_name":null},{"id":"seg_95019_569","meeting_id":"95019","media_asset_id":"med_95019_c81cfa7cbdc87508","agenda_item_id":null,"speaker_id":"spk_95019_public_commenter","speaker_confidence":0.9,"start_sec":8186.51,"end_sec":8199.21,"text":"Just two paychecks. If we look at the government right now, shut down, some of the people that had good jobs is crying right now and running to food banks, trying to find food to eat.","topics_json":"[\"homelessness\"]","vector_id":"vec_seg_95019_569","created_at":"2026-10-31T07:16:45Z","speaker_name":null},{"id":"seg_95019_57","meeting_id":"95019","media_asset_id":"med_95019_c81cfa7cbdc87508","agenda_item_id":null,"speaker_id":"off_robin_r_christiansen","speaker_confidence":0.95,"start_sec":855.97,"end_sec":863.37,"text":"We will continue this meeting after the regular session is over.","topics_json":"[]","vector_id":"vec_seg_95019_57","created_at":"2026-10-31T07:16:43Z","speaker_name":"Robin R. 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When I come, I will separate it.","topics_json":"[\"homelessness\"]","vector_id":"vec_seg_95019_572","created_at":"2026-10-31T07:16:45Z","speaker_name":null},{"id":"seg_95019_573","meeting_id":"95019","media_asset_id":"med_95019_c81cfa7cbdc87508","agenda_item_id":null,"speaker_id":"spk_95019_public_commenter","speaker_confidence":0.9,"start_sec":8227.21,"end_sec":8236.01,"text":"We got to deal with these people where they at. They hungry, have no place, some of them don't even know where their mom and dad's at.","topics_json":"[\"homelessness\",\"housing\"]","vector_id":"vec_seg_95019_573","created_at":"2026-10-31T07:16:45Z","speaker_name":null},{"id":"seg_95019_574","meeting_id":"95019","media_asset_id":"med_95019_c81cfa7cbdc87508","agenda_item_id":null,"speaker_id":"spk_95019_public_commenter","speaker_confidence":0.9,"start_sec":8236.21,"end_sec":8238.71,"text":"But they out here and they looking for all of","topics_json":"[\"homelessness\"]","vector_id":"vec_seg_95019_574","created_at":"2026-10-31T07:16:45Z","speaker_name":null},{"id":"seg_95019_575","meeting_id":"95019","media_asset_id":"med_95019_c81cfa7cbdc87508","agenda_item_id":null,"speaker_id":"spk_95019_public_commenter","speaker_confidence":0.85,"start_sec":8238.71,"end_sec":8241.61,"text":"us to come together and help them out.","topics_json":"[\"homelessness\"]","vector_id":"vec_seg_95019_575","created_at":"2026-10-31T07:16:45Z","speaker_name":null},{"id":"seg_95019_576","meeting_id":"95019","media_asset_id":"med_95019_c81cfa7cbdc87508","agenda_item_id":null,"speaker_id":"off_fred_a_neil","speaker_confidence":0.9,"start_sec":8246.81,"end_sec":8248.21,"text":"Madam Clerk.","topics_json":"[]","vector_id":"vec_seg_95019_576","created_at":"2026-10-31T07:16:45Z","speaker_name":"Fred A. 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Mr. Cleveland Wilson?","topics_json":"[]","vector_id":"vec_seg_95019_577","created_at":"2026-10-31T07:16:45Z","speaker_name":null},{"id":"seg_95019_578","meeting_id":"95019","media_asset_id":"med_95019_c81cfa7cbdc87508","agenda_item_id":null,"speaker_id":"spk_95019_cleveland_wilson","speaker_confidence":0.95,"start_sec":8258.11,"end_sec":8262.11,"text":"I guess I'm going to start talking on my way up because I got a lot of talking to do.","topics_json":"[]","vector_id":"vec_seg_95019_578","created_at":"2026-10-31T07:16:45Z","speaker_name":"Cleveland Wilson"},{"id":"seg_95019_579","meeting_id":"95019","media_asset_id":"med_95019_c81cfa7cbdc87508","agenda_item_id":null,"speaker_id":"spk_95019_cleveland_wilson","speaker_confidence":0.95,"start_sec":8263.01,"end_sec":8345.71,"text":"My name is Cleveland Wilson. I'm from Kirkwood Street, Dover, Delaware. First thing I'm going to say to you is last week, a young boy walked up to me. He said, \"Cleve,\" he calls me OG, \"I don't want to rob nobody, but I'm hungry. Man, I've been talking to people for weeks. What should I do?\" We gave him some money, we gave him a conversation. Okay? The reason why I'm mentioning this to you is because those people that stand in the middle of them streets, they hungry. I heard somebody say, \"I don't want them to get hurt.\" They already hurt. They hungry. I would invite any of you to let's spend a night in one of these little camps. Let's not take no food with us so we can understand what they going through. The things that we call ourselves doing for them as far as safety, they call it an acceptable risk because they hungry. They need all the things that we have. We've talked about this before. They need all the things that we have, and I don't care what you say about an ordinance, if a man stands on that street for 352 days and you give him a $10 ordinance every day, you gave him over $3,500","topics_json":"[\"homelessness\",\"public_safety\"]","vector_id":"vec_seg_95019_579","created_at":"2026-10-31T07:16:45Z","speaker_name":"Cleveland Wilson"},{"id":"seg_95019_58","meeting_id":"95019","media_asset_id":"med_95019_c81cfa7cbdc87508","agenda_item_id":null,"speaker_id":"spk_95019_protesters","speaker_confidence":0.9,"start_sec":864.47,"end_sec":884.17,"text":"Hey, hey! Ho, ho! Punishing the poor has got to go! Hey, hey! Ho, ho! Punishing the poor has got to go! Hey, hey! Ho, ho! Punishing the poor has got to go! Hey, hey! Ho, ho! Punishing the poor has got to go!","topics_json":"[\"homelessness\"]","vector_id":"vec_seg_95019_58","created_at":"2026-10-31T07:16:43Z","speaker_name":null},{"id":"seg_95019_580","meeting_id":"95019","media_asset_id":"med_95019_c81cfa7cbdc87508","agenda_item_id":null,"speaker_id":"spk_95019_chunk79_speaker","speaker_confidence":0.85,"start_sec":8345.7,"end_sec":8351.5,"text":"and fined. So sooner or later, he's going to go to court somewhere for something.","topics_json":"[\"public_safety\",\"homelessness\"]","vector_id":"vec_seg_95019_580","created_at":"2026-10-31T07:16:45Z","speaker_name":null},{"id":"seg_95019_581","meeting_id":"95019","media_asset_id":"med_95019_c81cfa7cbdc87508","agenda_item_id":null,"speaker_id":"spk_95019_chunk79_speaker","speaker_confidence":0.85,"start_sec":8352.5,"end_sec":8360.9,"text":"Now what? I got more problems. Because my city just put $3,500 on me.","topics_json":"[\"public_safety\",\"homelessness\"]","vector_id":"vec_seg_95019_581","created_at":"2026-10-31T07:16:45Z","speaker_name":null},{"id":"seg_95019_582","meeting_id":"95019","media_asset_id":"med_95019_c81cfa7cbdc87508","agenda_item_id":null,"speaker_id":"spk_95019_chunk79_speaker","speaker_confidence":0.85,"start_sec":8363.2,"end_sec":8373.3,"text":"Lord have mercy. Let's just think for a second. What if it was our child? What would we do then?","topics_json":"[\"public_safety\",\"homelessness\"]","vector_id":"vec_seg_95019_582","created_at":"2026-10-31T07:16:45Z","speaker_name":null},{"id":"seg_95019_583","meeting_id":"95019","media_asset_id":"med_95019_c81cfa7cbdc87508","agenda_item_id":null,"speaker_id":"spk_95019_chunk79_speaker","speaker_confidence":0.85,"start_sec":8374.3,"end_sec":8386.5,"text":"Would we usher them to the side? Yes, we want to protect them. I'm all for that. Usher them to the side. Tell them, hey, this is a more acceptable place to stand. I'm not for fining them.","topics_json":"[\"public_safety\",\"homelessness\"]","vector_id":"vec_seg_95019_583","created_at":"2026-10-31T07:16:45Z","speaker_name":null},{"id":"seg_95019_584","meeting_id":"95019","media_asset_id":"med_95019_c81cfa7cbdc87508","agenda_item_id":null,"speaker_id":"spk_95019_chunk79_speaker","speaker_confidence":0.85,"start_sec":8387.2,"end_sec":8398.1,"text":"And if you fine them, we will be there. You got to fine us. I'm being very serious here. You're going to have to fine us.","topics_json":"[\"public_safety\",\"homelessness\"]","vector_id":"vec_seg_95019_584","created_at":"2026-10-31T07:16:45Z","speaker_name":null},{"id":"seg_95019_585","meeting_id":"95019","media_asset_id":"med_95019_c81cfa7cbdc87508","agenda_item_id":null,"speaker_id":"spk_95019_chunk79_speaker","speaker_confidence":0.85,"start_sec":8398.5,"end_sec":8407.8,"text":"And somebody said something about sooner or later, I believe the chief said sooner or later they're going to test that in court. I think Shell's already left, but we going to test that.","topics_json":"[\"public_safety\",\"homelessness\"]","vector_id":"vec_seg_95019_585","created_at":"2026-10-31T07:16:45Z","speaker_name":null},{"id":"seg_95019_586","meeting_id":"95019","media_asset_id":"med_95019_c81cfa7cbdc87508","agenda_item_id":null,"speaker_id":"spk_95019_chunk79_speaker","speaker_confidence":0.85,"start_sec":8411.9,"end_sec":8420.1,"text":"Lord have mercy, some things we can't allow. I'm all for working together. Anything I can do to work with any of you, we will do that.","topics_json":"[\"public_safety\",\"homelessness\"]","vector_id":"vec_seg_95019_586","created_at":"2026-10-31T07:16:45Z","speaker_name":null},{"id":"seg_95019_587","meeting_id":"95019","media_asset_id":"med_95019_c81cfa7cbdc87508","agenda_item_id":null,"speaker_id":"spk_95019_chunk79_speaker","speaker_confidence":0.85,"start_sec":8421,"end_sec":8426.5,"text":"But I'm never for punishing people that can't do no better.","topics_json":"[\"public_safety\",\"homelessness\"]","vector_id":"vec_seg_95019_587","created_at":"2026-10-31T07:16:45Z","speaker_name":null},{"id":"seg_95019_588","meeting_id":"95019","media_asset_id":"med_95019_c81cfa7cbdc87508","agenda_item_id":null,"speaker_id":"spk_95019_chunk79_speaker","speaker_confidence":0.85,"start_sec":8427,"end_sec":8436.4,"text":"You know what I mean? Again, I'm not the guy that that stands up here and gives every cent I have to the poor. I'm not going to tell you that.","topics_json":"[\"public_safety\",\"homelessness\"]","vector_id":"vec_seg_95019_588","created_at":"2026-10-31T07:16:45Z","speaker_name":null},{"id":"seg_95019_589","meeting_id":"95019","media_asset_id":"med_95019_c81cfa7cbdc87508","agenda_item_id":null,"speaker_id":"spk_95019_chunk79_speaker","speaker_confidence":0.85,"start_sec":8436.8,"end_sec":8446.5,"text":"Because my mama had a rule: You take care of the people that take care of themselves. But then we got to teach them how to take care of theyself. We can't just fine them and throw them away.","topics_json":"[\"public_safety\",\"homelessness\"]","vector_id":"vec_seg_95019_589","created_at":"2026-10-31T07:16:45Z","speaker_name":null},{"id":"seg_95019_59","meeting_id":"95019","media_asset_id":"med_95019_c81cfa7cbdc87508","agenda_item_id":null,"speaker_id":"off_robin_r_christiansen","speaker_confidence":0.95,"start_sec":884.17,"end_sec":896.67,"text":"I call this meeting to order and call upon the invocation by Elder Ellis B. Louden. Pastor Louden. Is—","topics_json":"[]","vector_id":"vec_seg_95019_59","created_at":"2026-10-31T07:16:43Z","speaker_name":"Robin R. Christiansen"},{"id":"seg_95019_590","meeting_id":"95019","media_asset_id":"med_95019_c81cfa7cbdc87508","agenda_item_id":null,"speaker_id":"off_fred_a_neil","speaker_confidence":0.95,"start_sec":8451.4,"end_sec":8452.6,"text":"Madam Clerk.","topics_json":"[]","vector_id":"vec_seg_95019_590","created_at":"2026-10-31T07:16:45Z","speaker_name":"Fred A. 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Neil"},{"id":"seg_95019_594","meeting_id":"95019","media_asset_id":"med_95019_c81cfa7cbdc87508","agenda_item_id":null,"speaker_id":"spk_95019_vonda_smack","speaker_confidence":0.95,"start_sec":8474.6,"end_sec":8559.7,"text":"Vonda Smack, District 3, Dover, Delaware. Let me get out my notes here. We've said a lot here tonight, and thank you for the dialogue you and I had concerning this. Sorry I couldn't tell you that I liked your ordinance you're trying to do, because I couldn't agree with it because of what I stand for. I'm out in the community, ten toes on the ground. So when you started talking about these medians, what I do for three weeks, go to medians at all different times of the day and speak to the people to find out why they're on the median. We have some that are here tonight who gonna come up and let y'all know, because I don't mind meeting people where they are. I've even given some some resources, even asked some, \"Do you want to get help with your addiction?\" Even ran some off of the road, the one you're talking about that's slanted, so I agree. You know what I mean? But most of these people who are in the median, they're homeless. They're trying to get money for a hotel because Dover, Kent County, do not have resources. I mean, you can ask the people behind me that are here representing the unsheltered. But we can't I don't know why we're talking about amending and, you know, doing an article. The whole doggone ordinance need to be thrown out. The idea that you got that you stated here today, why the, you know, through the OUD,","topics_json":"[\"homelessness\",\"public_safety\"]","vector_id":"vec_seg_95019_594","created_at":"2026-10-31T07:16:45Z","speaker_name":"Vonda Smack"},{"id":"seg_95019_595","meeting_id":"95019","media_asset_id":"med_95019_c81cfa7cbdc87508","agenda_item_id":null,"speaker_id":"spk_95019_public_commenter","speaker_confidence":0.95,"start_sec":8559.7,"end_sec":8589.9,"text":"And we've been uh I've been getting educated on it. I read the blue ribbon. Thank you, mayor. Why can't that be something because that part what he is trying to do which I believe is unconstitutional. You violating people rights. You rather get them out of your way so you don't got to see it, because y'all more worried about what makes Dover greater, the revitalization of Dover. That's what you're You're smiling. But that's what it's about. You're smiling. You really","topics_json":"[\"homelessness\",\"public_safety\"]","vector_id":"vec_seg_95019_595","created_at":"2026-10-31T07:16:45Z","speaker_name":null},{"id":"seg_95019_596","meeting_id":"95019","media_asset_id":"med_95019_c81cfa7cbdc87508","agenda_item_id":null,"speaker_id":"spk_95019_public_commenter","speaker_confidence":0.95,"start_sec":8590.2,"end_sec":8686.5,"text":"Where is she at? This lady here is waiting on her disability from the federal government. That's why she is standing on a median to make money because she's homeless. She got put out of her house. We all know what's going on with the federal government. This lady's getting it the best way she can, and that's her fiancé sitting next to her. They're not on drugs, but y'all just looking at it from an addiction point, some of y'all. And the ones that email me back, thank you. Thank you for the dialogue. But I'm telling y'all, this tough Tony act that y'all got, our county, our city is in survival mode. There are people in here today that are living paycheck to paycheck, and some I can't even say paycheck to paycheck because they done borrowed already on the last on the paycheck that's coming. So, what I'm trying to tell you, you sitting here trying to throw an ordinance, but where are the resources?","topics_json":"[\"homelessness\",\"housing\",\"budget\"]","vector_id":"vec_seg_95019_596","created_at":"2026-10-31T07:16:45Z","speaker_name":null},{"id":"seg_95019_597","meeting_id":"95019","media_asset_id":"med_95019_c81cfa7cbdc87508","agenda_item_id":null,"speaker_id":"off_robin_r_christiansen","speaker_confidence":0.85,"start_sec":8686.7,"end_sec":8688.2,"text":"Ma'am, your time is up.","topics_json":"[]","vector_id":"vec_seg_95019_597","created_at":"2026-10-31T07:16:45Z","speaker_name":"Robin R. 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Children, 433, and the facts don't lie.","topics_json":"[\"homelessness\"]","vector_id":"vec_seg_95019_598","created_at":"2026-10-31T07:16:45Z","speaker_name":null},{"id":"seg_95019_599","meeting_id":"95019","media_asset_id":"med_95019_c81cfa7cbdc87508","agenda_item_id":null,"speaker_id":"spk_95019_city_clerk","speaker_confidence":0.95,"start_sec":8669.69,"end_sec":8671.89,"text":"Melissa Jeter.","topics_json":"[]","vector_id":"vec_seg_95019_599","created_at":"2026-10-31T07:16:45Z","speaker_name":null},{"id":"seg_95019_6","meeting_id":"95019","media_asset_id":"med_95019_c81cfa7cbdc87508","agenda_item_id":null,"speaker_id":"spk_95019_public_commenter","speaker_confidence":0.8,"start_sec":213.99,"end_sec":217.29,"text":"you wouldn't have people out here getting upset.","topics_json":"[]","vector_id":"vec_seg_95019_6","created_at":"2026-10-31T07:16:43Z","speaker_name":null},{"id":"seg_95019_60","meeting_id":"95019","media_asset_id":"med_95019_c81cfa7cbdc87508","agenda_item_id":null,"speaker_id":"spk_95019_city_clerk","speaker_confidence":0.85,"start_sec":897.17,"end_sec":898.37,"text":"Pastor Louden's here.","topics_json":"[]","vector_id":"vec_seg_95019_60","created_at":"2026-10-31T07:16:43Z","speaker_name":null},{"id":"seg_95019_600","meeting_id":"95019","media_asset_id":"med_95019_c81cfa7cbdc87508","agenda_item_id":null,"speaker_id":"spk_95019_city_clerk","speaker_confidence":0.95,"start_sec":8676.59,"end_sec":8678.99,"text":"Please give your name and address when you come to the—","topics_json":"[]","vector_id":"vec_seg_95019_600","created_at":"2026-10-31T07:16:45Z","speaker_name":null},{"id":"seg_95019_601","meeting_id":"95019","media_asset_id":"med_95019_c81cfa7cbdc87508","agenda_item_id":null,"speaker_id":"spk_95019_melissa_jeter","speaker_confidence":0.95,"start_sec":8678.99,"end_sec":8773.49,"text":"My name is Melissa Jeter, Dover, Delaware. And yes, I, um, have a lot to say, um, but I know that I need to keep this brief. But as I have sat here tonight and, um, observed everyone, and I'm going to look you all in the eye, I'm looking at leadership, people who are sitting high and looking low. But I am reminded of a time from Jesus Christ, when you sit high, when you are a leader, you are to serve. So, I've heard you, uh, Mr. Anderson, use the word accountability, accountability, excuse me, about five times. So I wanted to, uh, look up the definition. Accountability compromises four core components: participation, evaluation, transparency, and feedback mechanisms. It reminded me of Abraham Maslow's hierarchy of needs. And when a person's physiological needs are not met, then their sense of belonging is challenged. So, I just recently, um, got my degree in human services and working with this type of population, with people, and it really appalls me, sitting here looking at leadership, how we cannot come together. What is our relational integrity? I am very, this—","topics_json":"[\"public_safety\",\"housing\",\"homelessness\"]","vector_id":"vec_seg_95019_601","created_at":"2026-10-31T07:16:45Z","speaker_name":"Melissa Jeter"},{"id":"seg_95019_602","meeting_id":"95019","media_asset_id":"med_95019_c81cfa7cbdc87508","agenda_item_id":null,"speaker_id":"spk_95019_public_commenter","speaker_confidence":0.95,"start_sec":8773.69,"end_sec":8910.09,"text":"actually hurts me because as a member and as a Christian and as a member of Calvary Baptist Church, we serve. And serving starts with leadership. This is absolutely disgusting. I I really don't believe it, and I sit here and I look at some of you all. You visit our churches, but then we sit here and we cannot get along. So I'm going to leave you with a scripture as I was sitting here, and it's in Mark chapter 4 and it talks about, well, leadership, Mark chapter 10. And I'm actually going to read it in The Message translation, and it starts at about verse 41. It says, \"When the other 10 heard of this conversation, they lost their tempers with James and John. Jesus got them together to settle things down. You've observed how godless rulers—and that's lowercase g—throw their weight around, he said. And when people get a little power, how quickly it goes to their heads. It's not going to be that way with you. Whoever wants to become great must become a servant. Whoever wants to be first among you must be your slave.\" So I think the word of God, and I know that the word of God is true, we need to reference the scriptures because tonight this is chaos, and this disappoints my heart. We need to get together. We need to seek ye first the kingdom of God, and we need to pray. And that's all I have to say tonight.","topics_json":"[]","vector_id":"vec_seg_95019_602","created_at":"2026-10-31T07:16:45Z","speaker_name":null},{"id":"seg_95019_603","meeting_id":"95019","media_asset_id":"med_95019_c81cfa7cbdc87508","agenda_item_id":null,"speaker_id":"spk_95019_city_clerk","speaker_confidence":0.9,"start_sec":8916.49,"end_sec":8918.69,"text":"Cheyenne Miller?","topics_json":"[]","vector_id":"vec_seg_95019_603","created_at":"2026-10-31T07:16:45Z","speaker_name":null},{"id":"seg_95019_604","meeting_id":"95019","media_asset_id":"med_95019_c81cfa7cbdc87508","agenda_item_id":null,"speaker_id":"spk_95019_shyanne_miller","speaker_confidence":0.95,"start_sec":8889.28,"end_sec":8896.48,"text":"My name is Shyanne Miller. I live in Wilmington. I am a volunteer with the Housing Campaign, and I work with the Delaware Working Families Party.","topics_json":"[]","vector_id":"vec_seg_95019_604","created_at":"2026-10-31T07:16:45Z","speaker_name":"Shyanne Miller"},{"id":"seg_95019_605","meeting_id":"95019","media_asset_id":"med_95019_c81cfa7cbdc87508","agenda_item_id":null,"speaker_id":"spk_95019_shyanne_miller","speaker_confidence":0.95,"start_sec":8898.18,"end_sec":8931.48,"text":"I just want to talk a little bit about what we're dealing with when we talk about homelessness. I know we want to say that this bill is really about traffic safety, but the reality is that we all are here talking about homelessness. And I think that Kent County is in dire straits. I I think that Dover is in dire straits. It's expensive to live here, and a lot of people that are behind me are are speaking about how difficult it is to be able to maintain a living in the city and to maintain a living in the state. And so I'd like to make sure that we're talking about what we need to be talking about: the homelessness numbers up front.","topics_json":"[\"homelessness\",\"housing\",\"public_safety\"]","vector_id":"vec_seg_95019_605","created_at":"2026-10-31T07:16:45Z","speaker_name":"Shyanne Miller"},{"id":"seg_95019_606","meeting_id":"95019","media_asset_id":"med_95019_c81cfa7cbdc87508","agenda_item_id":null,"speaker_id":"spk_95019_shyanne_miller","speaker_confidence":0.95,"start_sec":8931.98,"end_sec":8953.48,"text":"Every year, they do a point-in-time count for the entire state, and they count how many people are living outside on the coldest night of the year. In Kent County, they found 266 people. When they went to count how many year-round shelter beds there are in Kent County, they found 165. There were not enough shelter beds for the number of people that were living outside.","topics_json":"[\"homelessness\",\"housing\"]","vector_id":"vec_seg_95019_606","created_at":"2026-10-31T07:16:45Z","speaker_name":"Shyanne Miller"},{"id":"seg_95019_607","meeting_id":"95019","media_asset_id":"med_95019_c81cfa7cbdc87508","agenda_item_id":null,"speaker_id":"spk_95019_shyanne_miller","speaker_confidence":0.95,"start_sec":8954.28,"end_sec":8975.68,"text":"Every year, the state makes sure that they count the number of students that are experiencing homelessness in our schools. Capital School District has 458 students that are experiencing homelessness. Caesar Rodney has 345 students that are experiencing homelessness. Smyrna School District has 234 students that are experiencing homelessness.","topics_json":"[\"homelessness\"]","vector_id":"vec_seg_95019_607","created_at":"2026-10-31T07:16:45Z","speaker_name":"Shyanne Miller"},{"id":"seg_95019_608","meeting_id":"95019","media_asset_id":"med_95019_c81cfa7cbdc87508","agenda_item_id":null,"speaker_id":"spk_95019_shyanne_miller","speaker_confidence":0.95,"start_sec":8976.68,"end_sec":8987.68,"text":"I just want us to be clear that when we're talking about people, it really is children, women, men. And I also want to be clear that what we're talking about...","topics_json":"[\"homelessness\"]","vector_id":"vec_seg_95019_608","created_at":"2026-10-31T07:16:45Z","speaker_name":"Shyanne Miller"},{"id":"seg_95019_609","meeting_id":"95019","media_asset_id":"med_95019_c81cfa7cbdc87508","agenda_item_id":null,"speaker_id":"spk_95019_public_commenter","speaker_confidence":0.9,"start_sec":8987.68,"end_sec":8996.44,"text":"people who are dealing with addiction, or just generally people who are dealing with addiction, we actually have a lot of data from our state that talks about those who are struggling.","topics_json":"[\"public_safety\"]","vector_id":"vec_seg_95019_609","created_at":"2026-10-31T07:16:45Z","speaker_name":null},{"id":"seg_95019_61","meeting_id":"95019","media_asset_id":"med_95019_c81cfa7cbdc87508","agenda_item_id":null,"speaker_id":"off_robin_r_christiansen","speaker_confidence":0.95,"start_sec":898.37,"end_sec":901.67,"text":"Ah, Pastor Louden. Would you please provide an invocation for us?","topics_json":"[]","vector_id":"vec_seg_95019_61","created_at":"2026-10-31T07:16:43Z","speaker_name":"Robin R. Christiansen"},{"id":"seg_95019_610","meeting_id":"95019","media_asset_id":"med_95019_c81cfa7cbdc87508","agenda_item_id":null,"speaker_id":"spk_95019_public_commenter","speaker_confidence":0.9,"start_sec":8998.42,"end_sec":9010.54,"text":"When we talk about drug overdoses in Delaware, we had 338 individuals die last year from a drug overdose. 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Create an office of homeless services. Coordinate to get more outreach on the ground. The more that you send out police, the more that you send out people to do sweeps, the more that you give out fines, the harder it is for outreach services to build the trust that's necessary for people to get the resources they need. No one is going to say yes to somebody they think is going to lock them up, or they think is going to fine them. No one's going to accept that help if they think that they're going to be punished for it.","topics_json":"[\"homelessness\",\"housing\",\"public_safety\"]","vector_id":"vec_seg_95019_613","created_at":"2026-10-31T07:16:45Z","speaker_name":null},{"id":"seg_95019_614","meeting_id":"95019","media_asset_id":"med_95019_c81cfa7cbdc87508","agenda_item_id":null,"speaker_id":"spk_95019_public_commenter","speaker_confidence":0.9,"start_sec":9089.24,"end_sec":9112.86,"text":"And so I urge this body to take responsibility to care for people, and put the housing up that people need, add the permanent supportive units that people need, add the wrap-around services that people need, and to support the outreach workers that people need. 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We thank You because of who You are and who we are to You. Because of Your love is so high we can't get over it, so low we can't get under it, so wide...","topics_json":"[]","vector_id":"vec_seg_95019_62","created_at":"2026-10-31T07:16:43Z","speaker_name":"Ellis B. Louden"},{"id":"seg_95019_620","meeting_id":"95019","media_asset_id":"med_95019_c81cfa7cbdc87508","agenda_item_id":null,"speaker_id":"spk_95019_michaela_ray","speaker_confidence":0.95,"start_sec":9115.68,"end_sec":9124.48,"text":"I want to I get a little nervous when I'm talking, so I'm just going to speak from the heart. I stand before you as a child of God.","topics_json":"[\"homelessness\"]","vector_id":"vec_seg_95019_620","created_at":"2026-10-31T07:16:45Z","speaker_name":"Michaela Ray"},{"id":"seg_95019_621","meeting_id":"95019","media_asset_id":"med_95019_c81cfa7cbdc87508","agenda_item_id":null,"speaker_id":"spk_95019_michaela_ray","speaker_confidence":0.95,"start_sec":9125.38,"end_sec":9134.88,"text":"I am a veteran who has served my country. I am a breast cancer survivor. I'm a domestic violence survivor. I'm a single mother.","topics_json":"[]","vector_id":"vec_seg_95019_621","created_at":"2026-10-31T07:16:45Z","speaker_name":"Michaela Ray"},{"id":"seg_95019_622","meeting_id":"95019","media_asset_id":"med_95019_c81cfa7cbdc87508","agenda_item_id":null,"speaker_id":"spk_95019_michaela_ray","speaker_confidence":0.95,"start_sec":9135.48,"end_sec":9142.68,"text":"I work. I know what it is like to be without a home. 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There's times that I need help myself.","topics_json":"[\"homelessness\"]","vector_id":"vec_seg_95019_628","created_at":"2026-10-31T07:16:45Z","speaker_name":"Michaela Ray"},{"id":"seg_95019_629","meeting_id":"95019","media_asset_id":"med_95019_c81cfa7cbdc87508","agenda_item_id":null,"speaker_id":"spk_95019_michaela_ray","speaker_confidence":0.95,"start_sec":9226.38,"end_sec":9236.18,"text":"There's no way that you can stand before me and say that you're a man of the Constitution. 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And I want to like I say, I want to keep it short and sweet, because I do get very, very nervous. But I would like to say I say no to this ordinance. Thank you.","topics_json":"[]","vector_id":"vec_seg_95019_631","created_at":"2026-10-31T07:16:45Z","speaker_name":null},{"id":"seg_95019_632","meeting_id":"95019","media_asset_id":"med_95019_c81cfa7cbdc87508","agenda_item_id":null,"speaker_id":"off_fred_a_neil","speaker_confidence":0.95,"start_sec":9219.27,"end_sec":9221.47,"text":"Thank you. Madam Clerk?","topics_json":"[]","vector_id":"vec_seg_95019_632","created_at":"2026-10-31T07:16:45Z","speaker_name":"Fred A. 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He was sitting next to you.","topics_json":"[]","vector_id":"vec_seg_95019_634","created_at":"2026-10-31T07:16:45Z","speaker_name":null},{"id":"seg_95019_635","meeting_id":"95019","media_asset_id":"med_95019_c81cfa7cbdc87508","agenda_item_id":null,"speaker_id":"spk_95019_city_clerk","speaker_confidence":0.95,"start_sec":9241.87,"end_sec":9246.57,"text":"Aaron Snowen, S-N-O-E-N?","topics_json":"[]","vector_id":"vec_seg_95019_635","created_at":"2026-10-31T07:16:45Z","speaker_name":null},{"id":"seg_95019_636","meeting_id":"95019","media_asset_id":"med_95019_c81cfa7cbdc87508","agenda_item_id":null,"speaker_id":"spk_95019_aaron_snowen","speaker_confidence":0.95,"start_sec":9253.37,"end_sec":9308.67,"text":"My name is Aaron Snowen. I live here in Dover. I just recently got a place at 39 South State Street, and I'm happy to be a resident here of this city. I heard about this issue and so I kind of threw something together really quick. Just going to read it for you guys. It says, \"I'm kind of tired of hearing all the homelessness negativity, um the people in our communities, and people are treating them like criminals. Like they're a disease, or a plague. Let's stop for a second, think about who they are. They are sons, they are daughters, they are husbands, they are wives, they're children. They are people who have served in the military, they're people that maybe grew up with a traumatic childhood, and never just had a chance to heal from it. They're hurting so badly on the inside. These are people stuck for years in a cycle of simply trying to survive day and night. And they're simply trying to endure the cold. Most times, being homeless, there's nowhere to go, let alone to get a meal, or a shower, clean clothes.","topics_json":"[\"homelessness\"]","vector_id":"vec_seg_95019_636","created_at":"2026-10-31T07:16:45Z","speaker_name":"Aaron Snowen"},{"id":"seg_95019_637","meeting_id":"95019","media_asset_id":"med_95019_c81cfa7cbdc87508","agenda_item_id":null,"speaker_id":"spk_95019_public_commenter","speaker_confidence":0.95,"start_sec":9308.67,"end_sec":9379.97,"text":"waiting in line all day just to meet your basic needs. At the end of the day, maybe some homeless take a few sips of whiskey at night to warm up. Maybe there's a person who doesn't feel safe on the streets who keeps traveling all night long to try and find a safe place to lay down. And maybe they use drugs to help them get through the night, the next day when it's daylight, when they finally find a safe, warm place to lay down. Some people are mentally ill and just cannot mentally get it together, or they're disabled. Perhaps they need SSI. If they're broken homeless, would you rather have them outside a store asking people for their change, or what if they have a social disorder and are afraid to approach people, and the best thing they can do is simply hold a sign asking for help? If you take that ability from them and ask for the ability for them to ask for help, most will turn to crime. The ones that can't afford to eat or can't afford to feed their habits. Which is worse? A person standing in the mall flying a sign asking for help, or the guy in the mall stealing food and clothes? I was taught by my uncle, who's deceased now, who was homeless for 40 years, that you only fly a sign in case of an emergency, extreme emergency, when you cannot find work. That's been the case for me. Excuse me.","topics_json":"[\"homelessness\",\"public_safety\"]","vector_id":"vec_seg_95019_637","created_at":"2026-10-31T07:16:45Z","speaker_name":null},{"id":"seg_95019_638","meeting_id":"95019","media_asset_id":"med_95019_c81cfa7cbdc87508","agenda_item_id":null,"speaker_id":"spk_95019_unknown_speaker","speaker_confidence":0.8,"start_sec":9380.77,"end_sec":9382.47,"text":"It's all right, bud.","topics_json":"[]","vector_id":"vec_seg_95019_638","created_at":"2026-10-31T07:16:45Z","speaker_name":null},{"id":"seg_95019_639","meeting_id":"95019","media_asset_id":"med_95019_c81cfa7cbdc87508","agenda_item_id":null,"speaker_id":"spk_95019_public_commenter","speaker_confidence":0.95,"start_sec":9385.17,"end_sec":9415.47,"text":"Apologies, I lost my place. Um, my uncle, you know, he was homeless out there for 40 years, and he died out there being homeless. And it's been rough. And he told me not to fly a sign unless it's for emergency. I flew a sign a few weeks ago when I was in an emergency situation. I didn't have a tent, I was out in the cold. I stood out in front of, uh, Camden. I made a whopping $10 the first hour I was out there, and another $10 for the next two hours. I took my $20, and I got a cheap tent for the night. There is people out there doing this thing","topics_json":"[\"homelessness\"]","vector_id":"vec_seg_95019_639","created_at":"2026-10-31T07:16:45Z","speaker_name":null},{"id":"seg_95019_64","meeting_id":"95019","media_asset_id":"med_95019_c81cfa7cbdc87508","agenda_item_id":null,"speaker_id":"spk_95019_chunk10_speaker_1","speaker_confidence":0.9,"start_sec":966.67,"end_sec":969.77,"text":"You sent prophets and teachers,","topics_json":"[]","vector_id":"vec_seg_95019_64","created_at":"2026-10-31T07:16:43Z","speaker_name":null},{"id":"seg_95019_640","meeting_id":"95019","media_asset_id":"med_95019_c81cfa7cbdc87508","agenda_item_id":null,"speaker_id":"spk_95019_public_commenter","speaker_confidence":0.9,"start_sec":9415.67,"end_sec":9420.67,"text":"just to survive and they need your help. Would you fine Jesus for being homeless?","topics_json":"[\"homelessness\"]","vector_id":"vec_seg_95019_640","created_at":"2026-10-31T07:16:45Z","speaker_name":null},{"id":"seg_95019_641","meeting_id":"95019","media_asset_id":"med_95019_c81cfa7cbdc87508","agenda_item_id":null,"speaker_id":"spk_95019_public_commenter","speaker_confidence":0.9,"start_sec":9422.47,"end_sec":9427.07,"text":"What about the good Samaritan that stopped and helped the guy on the side of the road? Would you fine him for helping somebody?","topics_json":"[\"homelessness\"]","vector_id":"vec_seg_95019_641","created_at":"2026-10-31T07:16:45Z","speaker_name":null},{"id":"seg_95019_642","meeting_id":"95019","media_asset_id":"med_95019_c81cfa7cbdc87508","agenda_item_id":null,"speaker_id":"spk_95019_public_commenter","speaker_confidence":0.9,"start_sec":9430.27,"end_sec":9438.07,"text":"I keep on saying this this this country is built on the Constitution, it's built on the Bible. Let's not forget that. Let's love our neighbors as ourselves.","topics_json":"[\"homelessness\"]","vector_id":"vec_seg_95019_642","created_at":"2026-10-31T07:16:45Z","speaker_name":null},{"id":"seg_95019_643","meeting_id":"95019","media_asset_id":"med_95019_c81cfa7cbdc87508","agenda_item_id":null,"speaker_id":"off_fred_a_neil","speaker_confidence":0.95,"start_sec":9441.87,"end_sec":9443.27,"text":"Madam Clerk.","topics_json":"[]","vector_id":"vec_seg_95019_643","created_at":"2026-10-31T07:16:45Z","speaker_name":"Fred A. 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I'm currently homeless, and me and who just talked was my fiancé.","topics_json":"[\"homelessness\"]","vector_id":"vec_seg_95019_646","created_at":"2026-10-31T07:16:45Z","speaker_name":"Eve Dorman"},{"id":"seg_95019_647","meeting_id":"95019","media_asset_id":"med_95019_c81cfa7cbdc87508","agenda_item_id":null,"speaker_id":"off_fred_a_neil","speaker_confidence":0.9,"start_sec":9464.97,"end_sec":9466.47,"text":"How about your address, ma'am?","topics_json":"[]","vector_id":"vec_seg_95019_647","created_at":"2026-10-31T07:16:45Z","speaker_name":"Fred A. 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That works.","topics_json":"[]","vector_id":"vec_seg_95019_653","created_at":"2026-10-31T07:16:45Z","speaker_name":null},{"id":"seg_95019_654","meeting_id":"95019","media_asset_id":"med_95019_c81cfa7cbdc87508","agenda_item_id":null,"speaker_id":"spk_95019_eve_dorman","speaker_confidence":0.95,"start_sec":9476.27,"end_sec":9522.67,"text":"Um, you guys have been talking about homeless and I've been sitting here sitting and thinking that we need your help. I am currently, as of today, 13 weeks pregnant with our son, David, Jr. We need your help getting off these streets. Y'all's resources are trying to split me and David apart. We can't have that. We have our separation anxiety. We can't. If he's gone for too long, I worry. If I'm gone too long, he worries. And y'all are trying to split us apart? No, we need your guys's help to get us into housing. We have a voucher. He has a voucher, I don't. And the rent here or anywhere in Delaware is too expensive for us. We've had people come up to us and ask, \"How much is your voucher?\"","topics_json":"[\"homelessness\",\"housing\"]","vector_id":"vec_seg_95019_654","created_at":"2026-10-31T07:16:45Z","speaker_name":"Eve Dorman"},{"id":"seg_95019_655","meeting_id":"95019","media_asset_id":"med_95019_c81cfa7cbdc87508","agenda_item_id":null,"speaker_id":"spk_95019_public_commenter","speaker_confidence":0.95,"start_sec":9522.66,"end_sec":9554.96,"text":"not to work, not that much. We ask for help to get a house, or even an apartment that's a little bit nice for me and this child. Cuz in May of next year, I will be giving birth. I want a safe place and a safe home for this child. On the streets, out here, with the violence and the drug use, I can't be around that because of PTSD and trauma. Like, um, whoever said it was, the trauma from past experiences can reoccur because of the drugs.","topics_json":"[\"homelessness\",\"housing\",\"public_safety\"]","vector_id":"vec_seg_95019_655","created_at":"2026-10-31T07:16:45Z","speaker_name":null},{"id":"seg_95019_656","meeting_id":"95019","media_asset_id":"med_95019_c81cfa7cbdc87508","agenda_item_id":null,"speaker_id":"spk_95019_audience_member","speaker_confidence":0.85,"start_sec":9554.96,"end_sec":9555.76,"text":"Yes.","topics_json":"[]","vector_id":"vec_seg_95019_656","created_at":"2026-10-31T07:16:45Z","speaker_name":null},{"id":"seg_95019_657","meeting_id":"95019","media_asset_id":"med_95019_c81cfa7cbdc87508","agenda_item_id":null,"speaker_id":"spk_95019_public_commenter","speaker_confidence":0.95,"start_sec":9556.06,"end_sec":9623.46,"text":"The heroin and the meth, and whatever else is out there, is not good for us pregnant women on these streets. And another thing, the veterans on these streets. I am a recent veteran of this year, just this February, because of my military accident. And people saying that, \"Oh, because that was in the military, I didn't actually serve.\" Call my mother, call my father, call some of my TikTok families, they will tell you I served. I have every right to have an apartment, or even a nice little house on the corner street to help raise this child. All I ask is for a little bit more assistance. And y'all's EBT is messing with that. There's three of us on EBT and WIC, who are only getting $75. That hasn't done us enough this week, just to help feed me and this child. We need more than that. We need our 200 and something a month. That will get us through the entire month, not just the 75. So if you think, in God's will, please help us. 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If you have your DD-214 for your discharge, we need to see it so we can get you hooked up with some help.","topics_json":"[\"homelessness\",\"housing\"]","vector_id":"vec_seg_95019_660","created_at":"2026-10-31T07:16:45Z","speaker_name":"Robin R. Christiansen"},{"id":"seg_95019_661","meeting_id":"95019","media_asset_id":"med_95019_c81cfa7cbdc87508","agenda_item_id":null,"speaker_id":"spk_95019_public_commenter","speaker_confidence":0.85,"start_sec":9646.66,"end_sec":9653.56,"text":"Currently, Mayor, I do not have it. It was burned in a house fire that I had to save a young four-year-old child from.","topics_json":"[\"homelessness\",\"housing\"]","vector_id":"vec_seg_95019_661","created_at":"2026-10-31T07:16:45Z","speaker_name":null},{"id":"seg_95019_662","meeting_id":"95019","media_asset_id":"med_95019_c81cfa7cbdc87508","agenda_item_id":null,"speaker_id":"off_robin_r_christiansen","speaker_confidence":0.95,"start_sec":9653.56,"end_sec":9662.76,"text":"So what we'll do is I need your name, tell me where you served, if you indeed are have received an honorable discharge, we will be able to get you some help.","topics_json":"[\"homelessness\",\"housing\"]","vector_id":"vec_seg_95019_662","created_at":"2026-10-31T07:16:45Z","speaker_name":"Robin R. 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Also, young lady, um, the Veterans Multi-Service Center, which is right here next to uh 9 East Tap House is on the first floor. They also can assist you, and I'm sure that the mayor probably has uh connection there as well.","topics_json":"[\"homelessness\",\"housing\"]","vector_id":"vec_seg_95019_665","created_at":"2026-10-31T07:16:45Z","speaker_name":"Roy Sudler, Jr."},{"id":"seg_95019_666","meeting_id":"95019","media_asset_id":"med_95019_c81cfa7cbdc87508","agenda_item_id":null,"speaker_id":"spk_95019_public_commenter","speaker_confidence":0.85,"start_sec":9686.26,"end_sec":9750.86,"text":"Can I make a statement about this as well? I have asked veterans about this, and with certain veterans of my family as well, including my biological mother and two of my biological uncles, they have been on the streets before, and they will have not received service like this. My mother has been here in Dover, Delaware before, and she never received it. So, I am having high expectations for you guys to help us with this.","topics_json":"[\"homelessness\",\"housing\"]","vector_id":"vec_seg_95019_666","created_at":"2026-10-31T07:16:45Z","speaker_name":null},{"id":"seg_95019_667","meeting_id":"95019","media_asset_id":"med_95019_c81cfa7cbdc87508","agenda_item_id":null,"speaker_id":"off_roy_sudler_jr","speaker_confidence":0.95,"start_sec":9750.86,"end_sec":9758.96,"text":"The VMC, Veterans Multi-Service Center, it's it's literally, like, a couple doors down, in Dover.","topics_json":"[\"homelessness\",\"housing\"]","vector_id":"vec_seg_95019_667","created_at":"2026-10-31T07:16:45Z","speaker_name":"Roy Sudler, Jr."},{"id":"seg_95019_668","meeting_id":"95019","media_asset_id":"med_95019_c81cfa7cbdc87508","agenda_item_id":null,"speaker_id":"off_roy_sudler_jr","speaker_confidence":0.95,"start_sec":9759.36,"end_sec":9760.66,"text":"Mr. President.","topics_json":"[]","vector_id":"vec_seg_95019_668","created_at":"2026-10-31T07:16:45Z","speaker_name":"Roy Sudler, Jr."},{"id":"seg_95019_669","meeting_id":"95019","media_asset_id":"med_95019_c81cfa7cbdc87508","agenda_item_id":null,"speaker_id":"off_fred_a_neil","speaker_confidence":0.9,"start_sec":9760.66,"end_sec":9761.96,"text":"Yes, Dr. Sudler.","topics_json":"[]","vector_id":"vec_seg_95019_669","created_at":"2026-10-31T07:16:45Z","speaker_name":"Fred A. 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Three-zero—if you have something to write, and I can also, cuz I'm in housing as well, so I can have a lot of resources for housing.","topics_json":"[\"housing\"]","vector_id":"vec_seg_95019_670","created_at":"2026-10-31T07:16:45Z","speaker_name":"Roy Sudler, Jr."},{"id":"seg_95019_671","meeting_id":"95019","media_asset_id":"med_95019_c81cfa7cbdc87508","agenda_item_id":null,"speaker_id":"spk_95019_public_commenter","speaker_confidence":0.85,"start_sec":9772.36,"end_sec":9773.36,"text":"Go ahead.","topics_json":"[]","vector_id":"vec_seg_95019_671","created_at":"2026-10-31T07:16:45Z","speaker_name":null},{"id":"seg_95019_672","meeting_id":"95019","media_asset_id":"med_95019_c81cfa7cbdc87508","agenda_item_id":null,"speaker_id":"off_roy_sudler_jr","speaker_confidence":0.95,"start_sec":9773.36,"end_sec":9776.66,"text":"302-465-","topics_json":"[]","vector_id":"vec_seg_95019_672","created_at":"2026-10-31T07:16:45Z","speaker_name":"Roy Sudler, Jr."},{"id":"seg_95019_673","meeting_id":"95019","media_asset_id":"med_95019_c81cfa7cbdc87508","agenda_item_id":null,"speaker_id":"spk_95019_city_clerk","speaker_confidence":0.9,"start_sec":9739.65,"end_sec":9741.45,"text":"Roy Sudler, Jr.?","topics_json":"[]","vector_id":"vec_seg_95019_673","created_at":"2026-10-31T07:16:45Z","speaker_name":null},{"id":"seg_95019_674","meeting_id":"95019","media_asset_id":"med_95019_c81cfa7cbdc87508","agenda_item_id":null,"speaker_id":"off_roy_sudler_jr","speaker_confidence":0.95,"start_sec":9741.85,"end_sec":9743.35,"text":"Doctor.","topics_json":"[]","vector_id":"vec_seg_95019_674","created_at":"2026-10-31T07:16:45Z","speaker_name":"Roy Sudler, Jr."},{"id":"seg_95019_675","meeting_id":"95019","media_asset_id":"med_95019_c81cfa7cbdc87508","agenda_item_id":null,"speaker_id":"spk_95019_city_clerk","speaker_confidence":0.9,"start_sec":9743.45,"end_sec":9744.65,"text":"Doctor.","topics_json":"[]","vector_id":"vec_seg_95019_675","created_at":"2026-10-31T07:16:45Z","speaker_name":null},{"id":"seg_95019_676","meeting_id":"95019","media_asset_id":"med_95019_c81cfa7cbdc87508","agenda_item_id":null,"speaker_id":"off_roy_sudler_jr","speaker_confidence":0.95,"start_sec":9744.65,"end_sec":9745.85,"text":"Aye.","topics_json":"[]","vector_id":"vec_seg_95019_676","created_at":"2026-10-31T07:16:45Z","speaker_name":"Roy Sudler, Jr."},{"id":"seg_95019_677","meeting_id":"95019","media_asset_id":"med_95019_c81cfa7cbdc87508","agenda_item_id":null,"speaker_id":"off_robin_r_christiansen","speaker_confidence":0.95,"start_sec":9750.75,"end_sec":9762.85,"text":"Mr. President, I would just assure everyone that I will do my best to assist this young lady. I can't— I cannot promise success, but I will do my best.","topics_json":"[]","vector_id":"vec_seg_95019_677","created_at":"2026-10-31T07:16:45Z","speaker_name":"Robin R. Christiansen"},{"id":"seg_95019_678","meeting_id":"95019","media_asset_id":"med_95019_c81cfa7cbdc87508","agenda_item_id":null,"speaker_id":"spk_95019_city_clerk","speaker_confidence":0.9,"start_sec":9763.85,"end_sec":9765.55,"text":"Brandon Fletcher.","topics_json":"[]","vector_id":"vec_seg_95019_678","created_at":"2026-10-31T07:16:45Z","speaker_name":null},{"id":"seg_95019_679","meeting_id":"95019","media_asset_id":"med_95019_c81cfa7cbdc87508","agenda_item_id":null,"speaker_id":"spk_95019_brandon_fletcher_um","speaker_confidence":0.95,"start_sec":9768.75,"end_sec":9843.65,"text":"Good evening, my name is Brandon Fletcher. Um, I live in Wilmington, um, and I'm a volunteer organizer with the HOMES Campaign, um, which is a statewide advocacy group focused on housing justice in Delaware. Um, first I want to start by thanking the council for taking Ordinance 2024-21 off the agenda. I think that was the right move. Um, but I still wanted to speak tonight because taking it up for consideration still shows that there's a misunderstanding of how to address homelessness. Um, this kind of ordinance does not fix the problem. It criminalizes poverty. You cannot fine or arrest someone out of homelessness. That approach only makes things worse and wastes taxpayer money. If we really want to address this issue, I urge this council um to invest in Housing First, which is a proven approach that provides people with stable housing first that connects them to the support and services they need. Housing is the foundation. You can't expect someone to stabilize their life when they're living on the street or being ticketed for asking for help. 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Um and Dover would be opening itself up to costly lawsuits um and damaging its reputation for a policy that doesn't solve anything.","topics_json":"[\"homelessness\",\"public_safety\"]","vector_id":"vec_seg_95019_680","created_at":"2026-10-31T07:16:45Z","speaker_name":null},{"id":"seg_95019_681","meeting_id":"95019","media_asset_id":"med_95019_c81cfa7cbdc87508","agenda_item_id":null,"speaker_id":"spk_95019_public_commenter","speaker_confidence":0.9,"start_sec":9862.55,"end_sec":9882.95,"text":"Um and so, while I appreciate this ordinance was pulled, um I urge the council not to bring it back or uh repackage it again um, and instead move towards real, evidence-based solutions, uh which is affordable housing, outreach, compassionate Housing First that lifts people up instead of punishing them.","topics_json":"[\"homelessness\",\"housing\"]","vector_id":"vec_seg_95019_681","created_at":"2026-10-31T07:16:45Z","speaker_name":null},{"id":"seg_95019_682","meeting_id":"95019","media_asset_id":"med_95019_c81cfa7cbdc87508","agenda_item_id":null,"speaker_id":"spk_95019_public_commenter","speaker_confidence":0.9,"start_sec":9882.95,"end_sec":9896.45,"text":"Um and lastly, I'm I'm a Christian, um I I feel like I'm around a lot of Christians on this council. And so I just want to um end my public comment with um one verse that sticks out to me, and it's Isaiah 10. 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Nothing will remain but to cringe among the captives.\" Thank you.","topics_json":"[]","vector_id":"vec_seg_95019_684","created_at":"2026-10-31T07:16:45Z","speaker_name":null},{"id":"seg_95019_685","meeting_id":"95019","media_asset_id":"med_95019_c81cfa7cbdc87508","agenda_item_id":null,"speaker_id":"spk_95019_council_president","speaker_confidence":0.8,"start_sec":9925.65,"end_sec":9926.95,"text":"Madam Clerk.","topics_json":"[]","vector_id":"vec_seg_95019_685","created_at":"2026-10-31T07:16:45Z","speaker_name":null},{"id":"seg_95019_686","meeting_id":"95019","media_asset_id":"med_95019_c81cfa7cbdc87508","agenda_item_id":null,"speaker_id":"spk_95019_city_clerk","speaker_confidence":0.95,"start_sec":9927.75,"end_sec":9932.85,"text":"Dawn Strother? 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Do you mind coming to tell me how it doesn't?","topics_json":"[]","vector_id":"vec_seg_95019_758","created_at":"2026-10-31T07:16:45Z","speaker_name":"Stephan Pierce"},{"id":"seg_95019_759","meeting_id":"95019","media_asset_id":"med_95019_c81cfa7cbdc87508","agenda_item_id":null,"speaker_id":"spk_95019_public_commenter","speaker_confidence":0.8,"start_sec":10627.13,"end_sec":10628.23,"text":"I spoke earlier.","topics_json":"[]","vector_id":"vec_seg_95019_759","created_at":"2026-10-31T07:16:45Z","speaker_name":null},{"id":"seg_95019_76","meeting_id":"95019","media_asset_id":"med_95019_c81cfa7cbdc87508","agenda_item_id":null,"speaker_id":"spk_95019_chunk10_speaker_1","speaker_confidence":0.9,"start_sec":1072.07,"end_sec":1077.07,"text":"We pray, oh God, for the mayor, the council.","topics_json":"[]","vector_id":"vec_seg_95019_76","created_at":"2026-10-31T07:16:43Z","speaker_name":null},{"id":"seg_95019_760","meeting_id":"95019","media_asset_id":"med_95019_c81cfa7cbdc87508","agenda_item_id":null,"speaker_id":"spk_95019_stephan_pierce","speaker_confidence":0.95,"start_sec":10628.33,"end_sec":10632.63,"text":"Okay. 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I stayed there for the entire summer uh in the back part where, what's her name, Ms. Francis has her homeless shelter, and I helped out with the children upstairs. I helped out cleaning up the back alley that's in the back, I mean from top to bottom. And it's like there are currently members on the board of that church that sit here, and just ask yourself, how many times have you guys actually been in that building throughout this summer? And I was there almost every single day. Um, and also with that being said, how are we actually making sure that these people that you guys are giving money to are actually doing what they need to do instead of just saying something and not actually showing for it? Um, let's just make sure that we are actually doing what we need to do as a city to make sure we can continue to thrive. And then homelessness, it's a business. Let's not act like we don't know that. 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That gentleman right there who is looking to get married in December, we need to help him. 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Whether they come in and and stay for an hour, they are still considered—","topics_json":"[\"homelessness\"]","vector_id":"vec_seg_95019_771","created_at":"2026-10-31T07:16:45Z","speaker_name":"Belinda Mayne"},{"id":"seg_95019_772","meeting_id":"95019","media_asset_id":"med_95019_c81cfa7cbdc87508","agenda_item_id":null,"speaker_id":"spk_95019_public_commenter","speaker_confidence":0.9,"start_sec":10806.62,"end_sec":10899.82,"text":"citizens of the city, no matter what. And we, even me, my children will volunteer to help. If need be, we donate, we do what we can. My daughter, if she gets accepted to Polytech—when she gets accepted to Polytech—is going in volunteering to help the homeless. Collect clothing, collect food, hand things out to the homeless. But we need to make the information for these people to get what they need—and I don't mean these people, I mean our citizens, because they are not these people, our citizens who need it the most get the resources or are directed, whether they are bused to the area to say, 'Pick up a pamphlet, this is what we're going to help you get to.' We need to assist them a little bit further than just, 'Oh, maybe next time.' Because we are all guilty of donating a dollar or two dollars to a panhandler. We are guilty of giving a McDonald's meal to a homeless person. Don't say that we won't be in their shoes, because we will eventually be in their shoes, and we will need their help. So we help, they help, and it goes on. Remember butterflies: you create one butterfly, you create many, especially if you touch each and every person. 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We now have first reading of proposed Ordinance 2025-18 amending Chapter 2, Administration, Article V, Finance by Section 2-2 42-7 - Vehicle Billable Rates. Final action by the City Council will take place during the second reading on November 24th, 2025.","topics_json":"[\"budget\"]","vector_id":"vec_seg_95019_774","created_at":"2026-10-31T07:16:45Z","speaker_name":"Robin R. 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And we are the greatest nation on the face of the Earth, if not the history of the world. And we are the only nation that offers that ability uninhibited. And, oh, my last comment is, today is the 250th anniversary of the United States Marine Corps. Semper Fi. Oorah!","topics_json":"[]","vector_id":"vec_seg_95019_790","created_at":"2026-10-31T07:16:45Z","speaker_name":null},{"id":"seg_95019_791","meeting_id":"95019","media_asset_id":"med_95019_c81cfa7cbdc87508","agenda_item_id":null,"speaker_id":"off_fred_a_neil","speaker_confidence":0.95,"start_sec":11374.1,"end_sec":11378.1,"text":"Council members' announcements. Councilman Boggerty.","topics_json":"[]","vector_id":"vec_seg_95019_791","created_at":"2026-10-31T07:16:45Z","speaker_name":"Fred A. Neil"},{"id":"seg_95019_792","meeting_id":"95019","media_asset_id":"med_95019_c81cfa7cbdc87508","agenda_item_id":null,"speaker_id":"off_andre_m_boggerty","speaker_confidence":0.95,"start_sec":11378.4,"end_sec":11381.6,"text":"Thank you. A couple things, as this has been already...","topics_json":"[]","vector_id":"vec_seg_95019_792","created_at":"2026-10-31T07:16:45Z","speaker_name":"Andre M. Boggerty"},{"id":"seg_95019_793","meeting_id":"95019","media_asset_id":"med_95019_c81cfa7cbdc87508","agenda_item_id":null,"speaker_id":"off_andre_m_boggerty","speaker_confidence":0.95,"start_sec":11341.6,"end_sec":11364.4,"text":"first say happy Veterans Day to those who proudly served, and in every aspect of the way. Also to the fellow furloughed federal government employees, we endured it, so those who endured this time, it looks like it's almost over. We haven't been paid since October, but we remain strong.","topics_json":"[]","vector_id":"vec_seg_95019_793","created_at":"2026-10-31T07:16:45Z","speaker_name":"Andre M. 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Next slide.","topics_json":"[\"housing\",\"public_safety\"]","vector_id":"vec_seg_95179_10","created_at":"2026-10-31T06:54:28Z","speaker_name":"the Chief"},{"id":"seg_95179_100","meeting_id":"95179","media_asset_id":"med_95179_f3a207d411cb06a7","agenda_item_id":null,"speaker_id":"spk_95179_property_owner","speaker_confidence":0.9,"start_sec":1702.43,"end_sec":1718.39,"text":"Well, they have told me that they have some other steps that they could take, so I'm waiting on them, honestly. So I'm assuming They had said that it would be done in 3 days. We were supposed to have uh closed on the 10th, I believe. But they have said that it would be within 3 days that they have some other avenues that they could take in order to expedite the time to move to to close.","topics_json":"[\"business\",\"housing\"]","vector_id":"vec_seg_95179_100","created_at":"2026-10-31T06:54:29Z","speaker_name":null},{"id":"seg_95179_101","meeting_id":"95179","media_asset_id":"med_95179_f3a207d411cb06a7","agenda_item_id":null,"speaker_id":"off_julia_m_pillsbury","speaker_confidence":0.95,"start_sec":1719.01,"end_sec":1723.42,"text":"So you currently do not have a bill of sale, and you have no closing date set up. Is that correct?","topics_json":"[\"business\"]","vector_id":"vec_seg_95179_101","created_at":"2026-10-31T06:54:29Z","speaker_name":"Julia M. 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But the fact um the fact remains is this building has been for sale for over a year now. It's been questionable. I believe that failure to make a decision on this building tonight could put the city at risk because this is not a confirmed sale. This is a letter of intent. So the property is not sold to Habitat. There There is no final bill of sale. This could be backed out at any time. Um and the concern is if we delay and this property continues to um become a nuisance,","topics_json":"[\"housing\",\"budget\",\"zoning\",\"public_safety\"]","vector_id":"vec_seg_95179_110","created_at":"2026-10-31T06:54:29Z","speaker_name":"Jason Kopp"},{"id":"seg_95179_111","meeting_id":"95179","media_asset_id":"med_95179_f3a207d411cb06a7","agenda_item_id":null,"speaker_id":"spk_95179_jason_kopp","speaker_confidence":0.95,"start_sec":1850.2,"end_sec":1921.28,"text":"then we're just wasting our time here tonight and and not rectifying the issue. My job as the code official is to protect everyone in the city, and I understand this is one house, but I have to look at the overall city. I have to look at the people and the citizens of the city and what I feel is in best in accordance with code. Um I do want to comment, too, about the police. The police have been out there. Code Enforcement got involved in this case because the police called us. They have been out there numerous times, and we have met them out there numerous times, at least 20 times since July, and every single time we go out there, we find people inside the building. The doors are unlocked. People are inside hanging out, and they say, \"Oh hey, I spoke with Bishop Lott, and he said we can be here.\" Now, whether that's true or not, that's beside the point, but there are people constantly going inside this house even after it's been vacant. It's condemned. Nobody should be in there for any reason except to make repairs, but they're continuously going in there um clear up to my latest inspection in October.","topics_json":"[\"housing\",\"public_safety\",\"homelessness\",\"zoning\"]","vector_id":"vec_seg_95179_111","created_at":"2026-10-31T06:54:29Z","speaker_name":"Jason Kopp"},{"id":"seg_95179_112","meeting_id":"95179","media_asset_id":"med_95179_f3a207d411cb06a7","agenda_item_id":null,"speaker_id":"off_fred_a_neil","speaker_confidence":0.95,"start_sec":1921.63,"end_sec":1924.83,"text":"Mr. Solicitor, any comment?","topics_json":"[]","vector_id":"vec_seg_95179_112","created_at":"2026-10-31T06:54:29Z","speaker_name":"Fred A. 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Because if there's no new date in the contract, um I'm not sure this is an enforceable contract anymore.","topics_json":"[\"housing\"]","vector_id":"vec_seg_95179_115","created_at":"2026-10-31T06:54:29Z","speaker_name":null},{"id":"seg_95179_116","meeting_id":"95179","media_asset_id":"med_95179_f3a207d411cb06a7","agenda_item_id":null,"speaker_id":"spk_95179_bishop_wayne_lott","speaker_confidence":0.85,"start_sec":1940.83,"end_sec":1951.91,"text":"The reason it it didn't happen on the 31st, it could have happened on 29, but they was waiting to get all the documentation to do the closing on both of the houses at the same time. So the problem was with 16.","topics_json":"[\"housing\"]","vector_id":"vec_seg_95179_116","created_at":"2026-10-31T06:54:29Z","speaker_name":"Bishop Wayne Lott"},{"id":"seg_95179_117","meeting_id":"95179","media_asset_id":"med_95179_f3a207d411cb06a7","agenda_item_id":null,"speaker_id":"spk_95179_bishop_wayne_lott","speaker_confidence":0.85,"start_sec":1952.41,"end_sec":1966.06,"text":"Now, uh I was at the attorney office because they told me they was going to be done on the 10th. I was at the attorney office on the 10th. The attorney informed me that they was in the process of of getting the information that was needed, and she told me at that time it might would have been done within 3 days.","topics_json":"[\"housing\"]","vector_id":"vec_seg_95179_117","created_at":"2026-10-31T06:54:29Z","speaker_name":"Bishop Wayne Lott"},{"id":"seg_95179_118","meeting_id":"95179","media_asset_id":"med_95179_f3a207d411cb06a7","agenda_item_id":null,"speaker_id":"spk_95179_marion_lott","speaker_confidence":1,"start_sec":1966.05,"end_sec":1969.71,"text":"So of course that was last week. And so nothing has taken place as of now.","topics_json":"[\"housing\",\"zoning\"]","vector_id":"vec_seg_95179_118","created_at":"2026-10-31T06:54:29Z","speaker_name":"Marion Lott"},{"id":"seg_95179_119","meeting_id":"95179","media_asset_id":"med_95179_f3a207d411cb06a7","agenda_item_id":null,"speaker_id":"spk_95179_marion_lott","speaker_confidence":1,"start_sec":1970.27,"end_sec":1976.92,"text":"Um, so I don't have a a closing date, I wish I did. But they're in the process of getting one.","topics_json":"[\"housing\",\"zoning\"]","vector_id":"vec_seg_95179_119","created_at":"2026-10-31T06:54:29Z","speaker_name":"Marion Lott"},{"id":"seg_95179_12","meeting_id":"95179","media_asset_id":"med_95179_f3a207d411cb06a7","agenda_item_id":null,"speaker_id":"spk_95179_eddie_kopp","speaker_confidence":0.95,"start_sec":196.61,"end_sec":208.06,"text":"anybody has any questions on any of these slides with the dangerous buildings, I'll be happy to answer them. I just want to include the code into the PowerPoint that way everybody was um full transparency.","topics_json":"[\"zoning\",\"public_safety\"]","vector_id":"vec_seg_95179_12","created_at":"2026-10-31T06:54:29Z","speaker_name":"Eddie Kopp"},{"id":"seg_95179_120","meeting_id":"95179","media_asset_id":"med_95179_f3a207d411cb06a7","agenda_item_id":null,"speaker_id":"spk_95179_marion_lott","speaker_confidence":1,"start_sec":1976.92,"end_sec":1991.01,"text":"But what I do know is, you can make whatever decision you want to make tonight, but what I do know is that that they're they're going to give me a closing date. There's no backing out of anything. It's been finalized that we are getting that we are are getting rid of those property, and those property will be sold. If they call me tomorrow and give me a closing date, those property will be sold.","topics_json":"[\"housing\",\"zoning\"]","vector_id":"vec_seg_95179_120","created_at":"2026-10-31T06:54:29Z","speaker_name":"Marion Lott"},{"id":"seg_95179_121","meeting_id":"95179","media_asset_id":"med_95179_f3a207d411cb06a7","agenda_item_id":null,"speaker_id":"spk_95179_marion_lott","speaker_confidence":1,"start_sec":1991.32,"end_sec":2000.02,"text":"Now, uh, I'm trying to to wrap my mind around what is unsafe when it comes to the house sitting there. No one is in it. And if they'll trespass, a trespasser can be arrested.","topics_json":"[\"housing\",\"public_safety\"]","vector_id":"vec_seg_95179_121","created_at":"2026-10-31T06:54:29Z","speaker_name":"Marion Lott"},{"id":"seg_95179_122","meeting_id":"95179","media_asset_id":"med_95179_f3a207d411cb06a7","agenda_item_id":null,"speaker_id":"spk_95179_marion_lott","speaker_confidence":1,"start_sec":2000.02,"end_sec":2032.81,"text":"So I'm trying The house is not falling down on anyone. Um, there again the article that he's that he's cited, only one applies to the situation. So, uh, so when you're deeming it that as being a mesa threat to citizen, the only threat that we're having with it is is people going in it.","topics_json":"[\"housing\",\"public_safety\"]","vector_id":"vec_seg_95179_122","created_at":"2026-10-31T06:54:29Z","speaker_name":"Marion Lott"},{"id":"seg_95179_123","meeting_id":"95179","media_asset_id":"med_95179_f3a207d411cb06a7","agenda_item_id":null,"speaker_id":"spk_95179_marion_lott","speaker_confidence":1,"start_sec":2038.96,"end_sec":2061.37,"text":"Yeah, and he said they've gone in several time and people was in it. Well, you could've checked the doors. The doors have been broken into. They don't have a key to get in and out of the building. I was down there, um, last week. And someone when when, uh, NCALL Neighborhood Good informed me they saw that one of the doors, so when I goes down, the door had been broken into. And so, uh, no one has access to the building except by violating it or committing some trespassing, uh, crime with it.","topics_json":"[\"housing\",\"public_safety\"]","vector_id":"vec_seg_95179_123","created_at":"2026-10-31T06:54:29Z","speaker_name":"Marion Lott"},{"id":"seg_95179_124","meeting_id":"95179","media_asset_id":"med_95179_f3a207d411cb06a7","agenda_item_id":null,"speaker_id":"spk_95179_marion_lott","speaker_confidence":1,"start_sec":2061.68,"end_sec":2101.93,"text":"But to answer your question, I don't have a date as to, uh, closing. I'm anticipating on one real close because NCALL has been working on it. The other alternative that they had given me is that they can do the closing on 30, on 29, and, um, and put the remainder of the money in escrow until we resolve the the selling of the other property.","topics_json":"[\"housing\",\"business\"]","vector_id":"vec_seg_95179_124","created_at":"2026-10-31T06:54:29Z","speaker_name":"Marion Lott"},{"id":"seg_95179_125","meeting_id":"95179","media_asset_id":"med_95179_f3a207d411cb06a7","agenda_item_id":null,"speaker_id":"spk_95179_nicholas_rodriguez","speaker_confidence":1,"start_sec":2102.05,"end_sec":2111.55,"text":"And and I didn't mean to give you legal advice. I just meant to suggest to you that that document with an October 31 closing date is not enforceable, and and and it could be strongly argued that you don't have a contract for the sale of that property.","topics_json":"[\"housing\",\"business\"]","vector_id":"vec_seg_95179_125","created_at":"2026-10-31T06:54:29Z","speaker_name":"Nicholas Rodriguez"},{"id":"seg_95179_126","meeting_id":"95179","media_asset_id":"med_95179_f3a207d411cb06a7","agenda_item_id":null,"speaker_id":"spk_95179_marion_lott","speaker_confidence":1,"start_sec":2111.86,"end_sec":2113.04,"text":"I understand that, and thank you.","topics_json":"[\"housing\"]","vector_id":"vec_seg_95179_126","created_at":"2026-10-31T06:54:29Z","speaker_name":"Marion Lott"},{"id":"seg_95179_127","meeting_id":"95179","media_asset_id":"med_95179_f3a207d411cb06a7","agenda_item_id":null,"speaker_id":"off_roy_sudler_jr","speaker_confidence":1,"start_sec":2113.29,"end_sec":2114.41,"text":"Councilman Rocha.","topics_json":"[]","vector_id":"vec_seg_95179_127","created_at":"2026-10-31T06:54:29Z","speaker_name":"Roy Sudler, Jr."},{"id":"seg_95179_128","meeting_id":"95179","media_asset_id":"med_95179_f3a207d411cb06a7","agenda_item_id":null,"speaker_id":"off_gerald_l_rocha_sr","speaker_confidence":1,"start_sec":2115.22,"end_sec":2117.95,"text":"Yeah. Um, thank you, um, Council President.","topics_json":"[]","vector_id":"vec_seg_95179_128","created_at":"2026-10-31T06:54:29Z","speaker_name":"Gerald L. Rocha, Sr."},{"id":"seg_95179_129","meeting_id":"95179","media_asset_id":"med_95179_f3a207d411cb06a7","agenda_item_id":null,"speaker_id":"off_gerald_l_rocha_sr","speaker_confidence":1,"start_sec":2118.32,"end_sec":2122.61,"text":"Um, so I kind of hear You know, you've covered a lot, right, Bishop Lott?","topics_json":"[\"housing\"]","vector_id":"vec_seg_95179_129","created_at":"2026-10-31T06:54:29Z","speaker_name":"Gerald L. Rocha, Sr."},{"id":"seg_95179_13","meeting_id":"95179","media_asset_id":"med_95179_f3a207d411cb06a7","agenda_item_id":null,"speaker_id":"off_fred_a_neil","speaker_confidence":0.98,"start_sec":208.51,"end_sec":212.5,"text":"Questions from Council? Yes, Mr. Councilman Rocha.","topics_json":"[]","vector_id":"vec_seg_95179_13","created_at":"2026-10-31T06:54:29Z","speaker_name":"Fred A. Neil"},{"id":"seg_95179_130","meeting_id":"95179","media_asset_id":"med_95179_f3a207d411cb06a7","agenda_item_id":null,"speaker_id":"off_gerald_l_rocha_sr","speaker_confidence":1,"start_sec":2122.61,"end_sec":2155.83,"text":"And and, uh, and I'm I'm one way or another, whatever we decide tonight, NCALL Neighborhood Partners is probably going to end up with this property.","topics_json":"[\"housing\",\"business\"]","vector_id":"vec_seg_95179_130","created_at":"2026-10-31T06:54:29Z","speaker_name":"Gerald L. 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Rocha, Sr."},{"id":"seg_95179_132","meeting_id":"95179","media_asset_id":"med_95179_f3a207d411cb06a7","agenda_item_id":null,"speaker_id":"off_roy_sudler_jr","speaker_confidence":0.95,"start_sec":2162.66,"end_sec":2164.36,"text":"an asset.","topics_json":"[\"housing\"]","vector_id":"vec_seg_95179_132","created_at":"2026-10-31T06:54:29Z","speaker_name":"Roy Sudler, Jr."},{"id":"seg_95179_133","meeting_id":"95179","media_asset_id":"med_95179_f3a207d411cb06a7","agenda_item_id":null,"speaker_id":"off_roy_sudler_jr","speaker_confidence":0.95,"start_sec":2164.36,"end_sec":2203.46,"text":"So, I just want us to think about, and I know that, you know, this is just things that's running through my head right now, as an asset, if NeighborGood buys the property, purchases the property from House of Pride, they get the money to put back into the community for the community service in their nonprofit that they're working with. If we tear down the building and put a lien on it, that's going to have an adverse effect. So I I just wanted to point that out,","topics_json":"[\"housing\",\"public_safety\"]","vector_id":"vec_seg_95179_133","created_at":"2026-10-31T06:54:29Z","speaker_name":"Roy Sudler, Jr."},{"id":"seg_95179_134","meeting_id":"95179","media_asset_id":"med_95179_f3a207d411cb06a7","agenda_item_id":null,"speaker_id":"off_roy_sudler_jr","speaker_confidence":0.95,"start_sec":2203.46,"end_sec":2262.66,"text":"and I'm I don't know the right answer right now. Um, and then as far as the safety goes, there's multiple reasons why the city um can view what we just saw as a safety issue.","topics_json":"[\"housing\",\"public_safety\"]","vector_id":"vec_seg_95179_134","created_at":"2026-10-31T06:54:29Z","speaker_name":"Roy Sudler, Jr."},{"id":"seg_95179_135","meeting_id":"95179","media_asset_id":"med_95179_f3a207d411cb06a7","agenda_item_id":null,"speaker_id":"off_roy_sudler_jr","speaker_confidence":0.95,"start_sec":2262.66,"end_sec":2308.36,"text":"You know, you you know it's vacant, um people are a liability that's breaking in the house, um there's drug paraphernalia, you know, the and then the floors are weak. There's there's multiple things that you know, Mr. Kopp has pointed out that we can identify as a safety violation. So, although you know, from your standpoint, the building is not going to come down, uh you know, just the breaking and entering alone is still a safety issue. So, I I wanted to make sure you understood that. We we get that part.","topics_json":"[\"housing\",\"public_safety\"]","vector_id":"vec_seg_95179_135","created_at":"2026-10-31T06:54:29Z","speaker_name":"Roy Sudler, Jr."},{"id":"seg_95179_136","meeting_id":"95179","media_asset_id":"med_95179_f3a207d411cb06a7","agenda_item_id":null,"speaker_id":"off_roy_sudler_jr","speaker_confidence":0.95,"start_sec":2308.36,"end_sec":2350.36,"text":"The reasons why we're here is because it's vacant, and even if it was a beautiful piece of property, fixed up, and it's vacant, we still have to be concerned about individuals breaking in, no matter what it looks like. So that's that's why we're here to address it. Is it condemned because of uh the people going in? Maybe not. Maybe the soft floors, which is an indication of termites, most likely, that might be it. If somebody's walking through there and they if it has a basement and they fall through, that that plywood going into the floor, I mean into the basement, you know, that though those types of situations can occur.","topics_json":"[\"housing\",\"public_safety\"]","vector_id":"vec_seg_95179_136","created_at":"2026-10-31T06:54:29Z","speaker_name":"Roy Sudler, Jr."},{"id":"seg_95179_137","meeting_id":"95179","media_asset_id":"med_95179_f3a207d411cb06a7","agenda_item_id":null,"speaker_id":"off_roy_sudler_jr","speaker_confidence":0.95,"start_sec":2350.36,"end_sec":2359.26,"text":"And being the fact that NeighborGood Partners sent somebody in there and inspected it, and said it was just tear it down, is another indication that what Mr. Kopp had pointed out as far as condemnation is correct from from my purview. But what I'm trying to figure out is how we can navigate it so that you can recoup uh a benefit of the asset for the House of Pride. That's That's what's up in the air right now. How can NeighborGood buy the property from you","topics_json":"[\"housing\",\"public_safety\"]","vector_id":"vec_seg_95179_137","created_at":"2026-10-31T06:54:29Z","speaker_name":"Roy Sudler, Jr."},{"id":"seg_95179_138","meeting_id":"95179","media_asset_id":"med_95179_f3a207d411cb06a7","agenda_item_id":null,"speaker_id":"off_gerald_l_rocha_sr","speaker_confidence":0.95,"start_sec":2359.26,"end_sec":2377.76,"text":"versus us tearing it down, it goes to sheriff's sale, and neighbor buying it at the sheriff's sale, or Habitat getting a hold of it. That that's what I'm trying to figure out if we can do that in this discussion. That With that said, I I yield.","topics_json":"[\"housing\",\"public_safety\"]","vector_id":"vec_seg_95179_138","created_at":"2026-10-31T06:54:29Z","speaker_name":"Gerald L. Rocha, Sr."},{"id":"seg_95179_139","meeting_id":"95179","media_asset_id":"med_95179_f3a207d411cb06a7","agenda_item_id":null,"speaker_id":"off_fred_a_neil","speaker_confidence":0.95,"start_sec":2377.76,"end_sec":2379.86,"text":"Councilman Lewis.","topics_json":"[]","vector_id":"vec_seg_95179_139","created_at":"2026-10-31T06:54:29Z","speaker_name":"Fred A. Neil"},{"id":"seg_95179_14","meeting_id":"95179","media_asset_id":"med_95179_f3a207d411cb06a7","agenda_item_id":null,"speaker_id":"off_gerald_l_rocha_sr","speaker_confidence":0.98,"start_sec":212.93,"end_sec":228.56,"text":"Uh thank you Council President. Um good evening Eddie. I I just wanted to, or Mr. Kopp, I'm sorry. Um could you point out exactly what was witnessed or what you saw that that's condemnable in this case?","topics_json":"[\"housing\",\"public_safety\"]","vector_id":"vec_seg_95179_14","created_at":"2026-10-31T06:54:29Z","speaker_name":"Gerald L. Rocha, Sr."},{"id":"seg_95179_140","meeting_id":"95179","media_asset_id":"med_95179_f3a207d411cb06a7","agenda_item_id":null,"speaker_id":"off_brian_e_lewis","speaker_confidence":0.95,"start_sec":2380.26,"end_sec":2426.46,"text":"Actually, uh, Mr. Rocha brings up a good point with respect to the legal ramifications uh with a potential buyer, whether it be Neighborhood Partners or uh Habitat, uh if uh there's a lien put on that property, uh how are they going to take possession and move forward? Um Most of my questions have been answered with regard to um a potential uh sale of the property and uh the legal stance, uh but I have some questions for uh for Mr. Kopp, if you don't mind stepping up to the podium. And these are technical questions. Um you had indicated, Mr. Kopp, that uh the last inspection was in October?","topics_json":"[\"housing\",\"public_safety\"]","vector_id":"vec_seg_95179_140","created_at":"2026-10-31T06:54:29Z","speaker_name":"Brian E. Lewis"},{"id":"seg_95179_141","meeting_id":"95179","media_asset_id":"med_95179_f3a207d411cb06a7","agenda_item_id":null,"speaker_id":"spk_95179_edward_kopp","speaker_confidence":0.9,"start_sec":2426.46,"end_sec":2433.76,"text":"Right, that last, the last um physical inspection. So um I went by there today to ensure the conditions were still there as well.","topics_json":"[\"housing\",\"public_safety\"]","vector_id":"vec_seg_95179_141","created_at":"2026-10-31T06:54:29Z","speaker_name":"Edward Kopp"},{"id":"seg_95179_142","meeting_id":"95179","media_asset_id":"med_95179_f3a207d411cb06a7","agenda_item_id":null,"speaker_id":"off_brian_e_lewis","speaker_confidence":0.95,"start_sec":2434.06,"end_sec":2437.56,"text":"Okay, that's what I wanted to know. So uh when were these photos taken that you presented?","topics_json":"[\"housing\",\"public_safety\"]","vector_id":"vec_seg_95179_142","created_at":"2026-10-31T06:54:29Z","speaker_name":"Brian E. Lewis"},{"id":"seg_95179_143","meeting_id":"95179","media_asset_id":"med_95179_f3a207d411cb06a7","agenda_item_id":null,"speaker_id":"spk_95179_edward_kopp","speaker_confidence":0.9,"start_sec":2437.66,"end_sec":2444.76,"text":"Um It started back in July. It goes on um from July till current.","topics_json":"[\"housing\",\"public_safety\"]","vector_id":"vec_seg_95179_143","created_at":"2026-10-31T06:54:29Z","speaker_name":"Edward Kopp"},{"id":"seg_95179_144","meeting_id":"95179","media_asset_id":"med_95179_f3a207d411cb06a7","agenda_item_id":null,"speaker_id":"off_brian_e_lewis","speaker_confidence":0.95,"start_sec":2445.16,"end_sec":2464.96,"text":"Uh and as of this date, uh again, you said you were there uh last month, October, um has there any uh to your to your um I guess uh to your expertise, has there been any improvements uh made to this property?","topics_json":"[\"housing\",\"public_safety\"]","vector_id":"vec_seg_95179_144","created_at":"2026-10-31T06:54:29Z","speaker_name":"Brian E. Lewis"},{"id":"seg_95179_145","meeting_id":"95179","media_asset_id":"med_95179_f3a207d411cb06a7","agenda_item_id":null,"speaker_id":"spk_95179_edward_kopp","speaker_confidence":0.9,"start_sec":2465.06,"end_sec":2512.86,"text":"No, the only The only improvement I would say was made would be the illegal fence, um which I did inform uh Bishop Lott that he did need a permit. Back July 31st, I looked at my notes while I was sitting there, July 31st when I met out met him on-site with Dover Police, which is on body cam, um he was informed he needed a fence permit prior to putting up a fence. A week later, the fence is erected. It's well over the six feet, which is not in accordance with code. So, even if he did have a permit, the fence is illegal because it's not in accordance with code. I understand the intent behind the illegal activity, but we can't bend code just because of illegal activity. We all have to comply with the code. So, regardless, the fence, um even if a permit was obtained, that fence would have to be torn down. But that's the only improvement made to the property.","topics_json":"[\"housing\",\"public_safety\",\"zoning\"]","vector_id":"vec_seg_95179_145","created_at":"2026-10-31T06:54:29Z","speaker_name":"Edward Kopp"},{"id":"seg_95179_146","meeting_id":"95179","media_asset_id":"med_95179_f3a207d411cb06a7","agenda_item_id":null,"speaker_id":"off_brian_e_lewis","speaker_confidence":0.95,"start_sec":2513.16,"end_sec":2541.46,"text":"Understood. Uh and I don't know if you could uh answer this question, but uh again, it goes back to uh legalities. Uh if, in fact, um the current owner was instructed to uh demolish this property um by next week, and uh in between that timeframe uh the buyer uh takes possession or buys that property, uh is the uh current owner still responsible for demolishing it, or uh where does that fall under?","topics_json":"[\"housing\",\"public_safety\"]","vector_id":"vec_seg_95179_146","created_at":"2026-10-31T06:54:29Z","speaker_name":"Brian E. Lewis"},{"id":"seg_95179_147","meeting_id":"95179","media_asset_id":"med_95179_f3a207d411cb06a7","agenda_item_id":null,"speaker_id":"spk_95179_edward_kopp","speaker_confidence":0.9,"start_sec":2541.66,"end_sec":2555.86,"text":"So, if the If the If it's sold tomorrow, right? So say we do a demolition order today and the new owner um buys it tomorrow, they take responsibility of the demolition order. It's It's the current owner's responsibility to expose that to the new","topics_json":"[\"housing\",\"public_safety\"]","vector_id":"vec_seg_95179_147","created_at":"2026-10-31T06:54:29Z","speaker_name":"Edward Kopp"},{"id":"seg_95179_148","meeting_id":"95179","media_asset_id":"med_95179_f3a207d411cb06a7","agenda_item_id":null,"speaker_id":"spk_95179_jason_kopp","speaker_confidence":1,"start_sec":2555.87,"end_sec":2594.47,"text":"owner, but they're responsible, they're the new owner. So they're the— they're the ones responsible. The demolition order is against the property, not the owner. So, and, and just in past experience, we've had this happen to where we have started the demolition process and we're halfway through, and a non-profit will jump in. They'll pay the bill, not saying that's going to happen here, this is just my previous experience. They'll pay the bill of what we've already spent, and then just take it on from there. So, it, it all depends. I don't want to say it's going to go one way or another, but that's my experience dealing with dangerous buildings with the non-profits.","topics_json":"[\"housing\",\"public_safety\"]","vector_id":"vec_seg_95179_148","created_at":"2026-10-31T06:54:29Z","speaker_name":"Jason Kopp"},{"id":"seg_95179_149","meeting_id":"95179","media_asset_id":"med_95179_f3a207d411cb06a7","agenda_item_id":null,"speaker_id":"off_brian_e_lewis","speaker_confidence":1,"start_sec":2594.87,"end_sec":2602.07,"text":"And another question, if you don't mind answering, how much does it cost the city to demolish one of these properties?","topics_json":"[\"budget\",\"housing\"]","vector_id":"vec_seg_95179_149","created_at":"2026-10-31T06:54:29Z","speaker_name":"Brian E. Lewis"},{"id":"seg_95179_15","meeting_id":"95179","media_asset_id":"med_95179_f3a207d411cb06a7","agenda_item_id":null,"speaker_id":"spk_95179_eddie_kopp","speaker_confidence":0.95,"start_sec":228.96,"end_sec":240.46,"text":"Yeah, so there's going to be some pictures moving up. Um I just included the the ordinance here that way if you guys had any questions on it, we could go um through them and then we'll view the pictures as well.","topics_json":"[\"housing\",\"public_safety\"]","vector_id":"vec_seg_95179_15","created_at":"2026-10-31T06:54:29Z","speaker_name":"Eddie Kopp"},{"id":"seg_95179_150","meeting_id":"95179","media_asset_id":"med_95179_f3a207d411cb06a7","agenda_item_id":null,"speaker_id":"spk_95179_jason_kopp","speaker_confidence":1,"start_sec":2602.37,"end_sec":2691.37,"text":"It, it ranges anywhere between I'd say 10 and $50,000, it all depends. What determines that is how much asbestos is in there. Demolition is cheap. It's the asbestos remediation on the house that tends to be costly. When it comes down to the inspections and the actual remediation of the asbestos, that's where it gets costly. So it's it's hard to put a hard number on it, especially at a meeting like this, until we go out and bid everything. The only way to bid it is it's a very invasive inspection, which is why we declare it dangerous, get the order first, because they actually have to go in there, they have to break walls, they have to break floors. There's a lot they have to do to inspect for asbestos, and without having that demolition order, it's almost impossible to to quote that prior to.","topics_json":"[\"budget\",\"housing\",\"public_safety\"]","vector_id":"vec_seg_95179_150","created_at":"2026-10-31T06:54:29Z","speaker_name":"Jason Kopp"},{"id":"seg_95179_151","meeting_id":"95179","media_asset_id":"med_95179_f3a207d411cb06a7","agenda_item_id":null,"speaker_id":"off_brian_e_lewis","speaker_confidence":1,"start_sec":2691.87,"end_sec":2696.87,"text":"And another question is, I mean, this is taxpayer dollar that we're utilizing, correct?","topics_json":"[\"taxes\",\"budget\"]","vector_id":"vec_seg_95179_151","created_at":"2026-10-31T06:54:29Z","speaker_name":"Brian E. Lewis"},{"id":"seg_95179_152","meeting_id":"95179","media_asset_id":"med_95179_f3a207d411cb06a7","agenda_item_id":null,"speaker_id":"spk_95179_jason_kopp","speaker_confidence":1,"start_sec":2696.97,"end_sec":2697.97,"text":"That's correct.","topics_json":"[\"budget\"]","vector_id":"vec_seg_95179_152","created_at":"2026-10-31T06:54:29Z","speaker_name":"Jason Kopp"},{"id":"seg_95179_153","meeting_id":"95179","media_asset_id":"med_95179_f3a207d411cb06a7","agenda_item_id":null,"speaker_id":"off_brian_e_lewis","speaker_confidence":1,"start_sec":2698.07,"end_sec":2710.07,"text":"And if the owner of the property declines to pay the demolition fee, how do we recoup that? Do we have to bring it to a superior court?","topics_json":"[\"budget\",\"housing\"]","vector_id":"vec_seg_95179_153","created_at":"2026-10-31T06:54:29Z","speaker_name":"Brian E. Lewis"},{"id":"seg_95179_154","meeting_id":"95179","media_asset_id":"med_95179_f3a207d411cb06a7","agenda_item_id":null,"speaker_id":"spk_95179_jason_kopp","speaker_confidence":1,"start_sec":2710.27,"end_sec":2727.47,"text":"Yeah, so that's where in in here it says the city manager and the city solicitor will will pursue that via lien and whatever court action is required. So I turn everything over, every cost, I turn it all over to be billed, and then it goes from there.","topics_json":"[\"budget\",\"housing\"]","vector_id":"vec_seg_95179_154","created_at":"2026-10-31T06:54:29Z","speaker_name":"Jason Kopp"},{"id":"seg_95179_155","meeting_id":"95179","media_asset_id":"med_95179_f3a207d411cb06a7","agenda_item_id":null,"speaker_id":"off_brian_e_lewis","speaker_confidence":1,"start_sec":2727.87,"end_sec":2731.87,"text":"Okay, understood. I think that's all I have at this time. Appreciate it.","topics_json":"[]","vector_id":"vec_seg_95179_155","created_at":"2026-10-31T06:54:29Z","speaker_name":"Brian E. Lewis"},{"id":"seg_95179_156","meeting_id":"95179","media_asset_id":"med_95179_f3a207d411cb06a7","agenda_item_id":null,"speaker_id":"off_fred_a_neil","speaker_confidence":1,"start_sec":2731.97,"end_sec":2733.67,"text":"Thank you. Mr. Mayor?","topics_json":"[]","vector_id":"vec_seg_95179_156","created_at":"2026-10-31T06:54:29Z","speaker_name":"Fred A. Neil"},{"id":"seg_95179_157","meeting_id":"95179","media_asset_id":"med_95179_f3a207d411cb06a7","agenda_item_id":null,"speaker_id":"off_robin_r_christiansen","speaker_confidence":1,"start_sec":2733.97,"end_sec":2736.67,"text":"I yield to Councilman Rocha.","topics_json":"[]","vector_id":"vec_seg_95179_157","created_at":"2026-10-31T06:54:29Z","speaker_name":"Robin R. Christiansen"},{"id":"seg_95179_158","meeting_id":"95179","media_asset_id":"med_95179_f3a207d411cb06a7","agenda_item_id":null,"speaker_id":"off_fred_a_neil","speaker_confidence":1,"start_sec":2736.97,"end_sec":2738.27,"text":"Councilman Rocha.","topics_json":"[]","vector_id":"vec_seg_95179_158","created_at":"2026-10-31T06:54:29Z","speaker_name":"Fred A. Neil"},{"id":"seg_95179_159","meeting_id":"95179","media_asset_id":"med_95179_f3a207d411cb06a7","agenda_item_id":null,"speaker_id":"off_gerald_l_rocha_sr","speaker_confidence":1,"start_sec":2738.47,"end_sec":2752.48,"text":"Thank you. Thank you, Mr. Mayor, for yielding to me. Before you go, Mr. Kopp, let's say we move forward with the demolition, but Bishop Lott ends up selling to NeighborGood Partners, where does it stop? Like does the— I know that the demolition is in progress, but where, once the transition of sale goes, where does it say, \"Okay, you know, NeighborGood said they was going to tear it down.\" What's the timeline between that?","topics_json":"[\"housing\",\"public_safety\"]","vector_id":"vec_seg_95179_159","created_at":"2026-10-31T06:54:29Z","speaker_name":"Gerald L. Rocha, Sr."},{"id":"seg_95179_16","meeting_id":"95179","media_asset_id":"med_95179_f3a207d411cb06a7","agenda_item_id":null,"speaker_id":"off_gerald_l_rocha_sr","speaker_confidence":0.98,"start_sec":240.63,"end_sec":242.28,"text":"Okay. I yield. Thank you.","topics_json":"[]","vector_id":"vec_seg_95179_16","created_at":"2026-10-31T06:54:29Z","speaker_name":"Gerald L. Rocha, Sr."},{"id":"seg_95179_160","meeting_id":"95179","media_asset_id":"med_95179_f3a207d411cb06a7","agenda_item_id":null,"speaker_id":"spk_95179_jason_kopp","speaker_confidence":1,"start_sec":2752.48,"end_sec":2752.48,"text":"So, um, good question. So say NeighborGood, that's why we have this date. So say NeighborGood says they're going to tear it down, and then they never tear it down. That's where we step in. Because at the end of the day, this isn't about— The The sale of the property is civil. This isn't—","topics_json":"[\"housing\",\"public_safety\"]","vector_id":"vec_seg_95179_160","created_at":"2026-10-31T06:54:29Z","speaker_name":"Jason Kopp"},{"id":"seg_95179_161","meeting_id":"95179","media_asset_id":"med_95179_f3a207d411cb06a7","agenda_item_id":null,"speaker_id":"spk_95179_eddie_kopp","speaker_confidence":0.9,"start_sec":2752.47,"end_sec":2765.27,"text":"about the sale of the property. It's about the the danger of the building existing. So, my responsibility is to get the building down. It It It poses a danger. It is a threat to the public, um, so","topics_json":"[\"public_safety\",\"housing\"]","vector_id":"vec_seg_95179_161","created_at":"2026-10-31T06:54:29Z","speaker_name":"Eddie Kopp"},{"id":"seg_95179_162","meeting_id":"95179","media_asset_id":"med_95179_f3a207d411cb06a7","agenda_item_id":null,"speaker_id":"spk_95179_eddie_kopp","speaker_confidence":0.9,"start_sec":2765.47,"end_sec":2778.27,"text":"in the event it sells to NCALL tomorrow, they have till the 22nd to demolish it. If they don't demolish it, we will start that process to to mitigate the threat, um, to the the public. Now,","topics_json":"[\"public_safety\",\"housing\"]","vector_id":"vec_seg_95179_162","created_at":"2026-10-31T06:54:29Z","speaker_name":"Eddie Kopp"},{"id":"seg_95179_163","meeting_id":"95179","media_asset_id":"med_95179_f3a207d411cb06a7","agenda_item_id":null,"speaker_id":"spk_95179_eddie_kopp","speaker_confidence":0.9,"start_sec":2779.07,"end_sec":2791.97,"text":"90% of the time dealing with them, um, they're pretty fast. They will come in. They'll get a demo permit. They'll get a contractor, um, I've always been flexible with them. So, if we have a demolition order for the 22nd, um,","topics_json":"[\"housing\"]","vector_id":"vec_seg_95179_163","created_at":"2026-10-31T06:54:29Z","speaker_name":"Eddie Kopp"},{"id":"seg_95179_164","meeting_id":"95179","media_asset_id":"med_95179_f3a207d411cb06a7","agenda_item_id":null,"speaker_id":"spk_95179_eddie_kopp","speaker_confidence":0.9,"start_sec":2792.97,"end_sec":2805.47,"text":"as long as they're making good faith effort They're getting their demolition order, they're they got their permit. Hey, you're showing good faith effort, you've got me a date. It's going to be down on this date, because even with us, December 22nd starts the process. So, just to explain that process,","topics_json":"[\"housing\"]","vector_id":"vec_seg_95179_164","created_at":"2026-10-31T06:54:29Z","speaker_name":"Eddie Kopp"},{"id":"seg_95179_165","meeting_id":"95179","media_asset_id":"med_95179_f3a207d411cb06a7","agenda_item_id":null,"speaker_id":"spk_95179_eddie_kopp","speaker_confidence":0.9,"start_sec":2807.27,"end_sec":2860.47,"text":"December 22nd will be the date it has to be repaired or demolished by. So, on December 22nd, if it's not done, um, and you order this building to be demolished, I have to send a 10-day notice to vacate, right? So, that adds 10 days to this. So, we're now we're in January. The 10-day notice to vacate, um, basically states that anything belonging in the house has to be removed because it then it becomes an active demolition site after that. Um, there's no more access to the property after them 10 days. So, that's another certified mail, posted on the property, so on and so forth. After that 10 days, that's when I start with the asbestos","topics_json":"[\"housing\",\"public_safety\"]","vector_id":"vec_seg_95179_165","created_at":"2026-10-31T06:54:29Z","speaker_name":"Eddie Kopp"},{"id":"seg_95179_166","meeting_id":"95179","media_asset_id":"med_95179_f3a207d411cb06a7","agenda_item_id":null,"speaker_id":"spk_95179_eddie_kopp","speaker_confidence":0.9,"start_sec":2861.17,"end_sec":2885.47,"text":"inspection and abatement. Um, that could take up to 30 days. Um, and then, we finally get into demolition. And that's why it seems fast with the 22nd to 30 days,","topics_json":"[\"housing\",\"public_safety\"]","vector_id":"vec_seg_95179_166","created_at":"2026-10-31T06:54:29Z","speaker_name":"Eddie Kopp"},{"id":"seg_95179_167","meeting_id":"95179","media_asset_id":"med_95179_f3a207d411cb06a7","agenda_item_id":null,"speaker_id":"spk_95179_eddie_kopp","speaker_confidence":0.9,"start_sec":2885.97,"end_sec":2909.47,"text":"but it's really a lengthy process. There's several steps that have to take place, um, to be in compliant with the demolition. You can't get a demolition permit until you have your asbestos. It's got to be remediated. It's got to be inspected. So, it does take time and that's why Habitat, or or whoever can jump in there. Now, as far as the 22nd date, if the owner decides he wants to demolish it, he starts taking steps on there. He gets his asbestos, gets his demolition permit, great.","topics_json":"[\"housing\"]","vector_id":"vec_seg_95179_167","created_at":"2026-10-31T06:54:29Z","speaker_name":"Eddie Kopp"},{"id":"seg_95179_168","meeting_id":"95179","media_asset_id":"med_95179_f3a207d411cb06a7","agenda_item_id":null,"speaker_id":"spk_95179_eddie_kopp","speaker_confidence":0.9,"start_sec":2909.67,"end_sec":2929.47,"text":"Like as long as as long as that process is moving and, um, continuing, we'll we'll work with them. Um, but if that process is not started by December 22nd or it stops, that's where we can come in and finish finish the, um, finish the job basically, and remove the building to prevent the life-safety issue.","topics_json":"[\"housing\",\"public_safety\"]","vector_id":"vec_seg_95179_168","created_at":"2026-10-31T06:54:29Z","speaker_name":"Eddie Kopp"},{"id":"seg_95179_169","meeting_id":"95179","media_asset_id":"med_95179_f3a207d411cb06a7","agenda_item_id":null,"speaker_id":"off_roy_sudler_jr","speaker_confidence":0.95,"start_sec":2929.87,"end_sec":2936.67,"text":"And And up until that point uh Yeah. She's waving over there, but uh I still got another question. Yeah.","topics_json":"[]","vector_id":"vec_seg_95179_169","created_at":"2026-10-31T06:54:29Z","speaker_name":"Roy Sudler, Jr."},{"id":"seg_95179_17","meeting_id":"95179","media_asset_id":"med_95179_f3a207d411cb06a7","agenda_item_id":null,"speaker_id":"spk_95179_eddie_kopp","speaker_confidence":0.95,"start_sec":242.36,"end_sec":248.13,"text":"All right. So if you If If anyone has any questions on the ordinance, just stop as I go on for one.","topics_json":"[\"zoning\"]","vector_id":"vec_seg_95179_17","created_at":"2026-10-31T06:54:29Z","speaker_name":"Eddie Kopp"},{"id":"seg_95179_170","meeting_id":"95179","media_asset_id":"med_95179_f3a207d411cb06a7","agenda_item_id":null,"speaker_id":"off_roy_sudler_jr","speaker_confidence":0.95,"start_sec":2937.17,"end_sec":2949.07,"text":"Um And I That's why kind of paused, too, so that he could know you wanted You had a question as well. But uh uh uh also, within that time frame, if NCALL comes in and they make the purchase,","topics_json":"[\"housing\"]","vector_id":"vec_seg_95179_170","created_at":"2026-10-31T06:54:29Z","speaker_name":"Roy Sudler, Jr."},{"id":"seg_95179_171","meeting_id":"95179","media_asset_id":"med_95179_f3a207d411cb06a7","agenda_item_id":null,"speaker_id":"spk_95179_eddie_kopp","speaker_confidence":0.9,"start_sec":2949.08,"end_sec":2954.94,"text":"going to happen, um, and and it all depends on the logistics, I guess, with that with that contract. So.","topics_json":"[\"housing\",\"public_safety\"]","vector_id":"vec_seg_95179_171","created_at":"2026-10-31T06:54:29Z","speaker_name":"Eddie Kopp"},{"id":"seg_95179_172","meeting_id":"95179","media_asset_id":"med_95179_f3a207d411cb06a7","agenda_item_id":null,"speaker_id":"off_andre_m_boggerty","speaker_confidence":0.95,"start_sec":2954.94,"end_sec":2964.09,"text":"Up until this point, this is my last question. Up until this point, has NeighborGood reached out to you to have a discussion on this particular property?","topics_json":"[\"housing\"]","vector_id":"vec_seg_95179_172","created_at":"2026-10-31T06:54:29Z","speaker_name":"Andre M. Boggerty"},{"id":"seg_95179_173","meeting_id":"95179","media_asset_id":"med_95179_f3a207d411cb06a7","agenda_item_id":null,"speaker_id":"spk_95179_eddie_kopp","speaker_confidence":0.9,"start_sec":2964.09,"end_sec":2965.35,"text":"They have not.","topics_json":"[\"housing\"]","vector_id":"vec_seg_95179_173","created_at":"2026-10-31T06:54:29Z","speaker_name":"Eddie Kopp"},{"id":"seg_95179_174","meeting_id":"95179","media_asset_id":"med_95179_f3a207d411cb06a7","agenda_item_id":null,"speaker_id":"off_andre_m_boggerty","speaker_confidence":0.95,"start_sec":2965.35,"end_sec":2967.99,"text":"Thank you. I yield, um, Mr. Neil, thank you.","topics_json":"[]","vector_id":"vec_seg_95179_174","created_at":"2026-10-31T06:54:29Z","speaker_name":"Andre M. Boggerty"},{"id":"seg_95179_175","meeting_id":"95179","media_asset_id":"med_95179_f3a207d411cb06a7","agenda_item_id":null,"speaker_id":"off_fred_a_neil","speaker_confidence":0.95,"start_sec":2967.99,"end_sec":2971.16,"text":"Thank you. Mr. Mayor, or will you yield to Councilwoman Hall?","topics_json":"[]","vector_id":"vec_seg_95179_175","created_at":"2026-10-31T06:54:29Z","speaker_name":"Fred A. Neil"},{"id":"seg_95179_176","meeting_id":"95179","media_asset_id":"med_95179_f3a207d411cb06a7","agenda_item_id":null,"speaker_id":"off_robin_r_christiansen","speaker_confidence":0.95,"start_sec":2971.16,"end_sec":2973.03,"text":"Yield to Councilwoman Hall.","topics_json":"[]","vector_id":"vec_seg_95179_176","created_at":"2026-10-31T06:54:29Z","speaker_name":"Robin R. Christiansen"},{"id":"seg_95179_177","meeting_id":"95179","media_asset_id":"med_95179_f3a207d411cb06a7","agenda_item_id":null,"speaker_id":"off_fred_a_neil","speaker_confidence":0.95,"start_sec":2973.03,"end_sec":2974.51,"text":"Councilwoman Hall.","topics_json":"[]","vector_id":"vec_seg_95179_177","created_at":"2026-10-31T06:54:29Z","speaker_name":"Fred A. Neil"},{"id":"seg_95179_178","meeting_id":"95179","media_asset_id":"med_95179_f3a207d411cb06a7","agenda_item_id":null,"speaker_id":"off_donyale_m_hall","speaker_confidence":0.95,"start_sec":2974.51,"end_sec":3116.83,"text":"Thank you, Mr. Mayor. Thank you, Mr. President. I wanted to um go a little deeper into um how that that fee ends up um being put on there. So, if say tonight we say, okay, yes, December 22nd, and you don't have a definitive hard number, and they are in the process of negotiating this sale, um at what point does it become How do you go about splitting up who pays what at that point? So say, um the transaction goes through, and you've already begun your 10 day, and then you've done your asbestos um inspection. Um I'm I'm assuming that um you have a contractor that does the asbestos. Um they come out and they say, 'Okay, we're going to give you this estimate for um giving uh uh our opinion on if this is asbestos or not.' There's a amount that's um come into play then. So, let's just say that's $2,000, okay? Um At some point during that process, the sale happens. So, now at this point, you would give that bill to Bishop Lott, and then it it halts it and maybe or it continues down that path if NeighborGood or Habitat or whoever the new owner comes in and says, 'We're going to finish tearing this down. Um You can stop here.' You then give them the ability to pick up where the process has terminated? And I guess the reason why I'm asking this is if you put a lien against the property for what's been spent, um you you don't have a full picture of what that lien looks like until you have completed this process of demolition. So, that that's where it kind of gets in the weeds for me is how how do you halt this process? And and my thinking and my recommendation at this point would be, you know, something along the lines of let's let's schedule this for you know, a 30 days or or 60 days to allow this sale to happen. At least that would put it on the books, and it wouldn't be in the middle of this lengthy process to get the demolition done.","topics_json":"[\"housing\",\"budget\",\"public_safety\"]","vector_id":"vec_seg_95179_178","created_at":"2026-10-31T06:54:29Z","speaker_name":"Donyale M. 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Um, I send a spec—","topics_json":"[\"housing\",\"budget\",\"public_safety\"]","vector_id":"vec_seg_95179_179","created_at":"2026-10-31T06:54:29Z","speaker_name":"Eddie Kopp"},{"id":"seg_95179_18","meeting_id":"95179","media_asset_id":"med_95179_f3a207d411cb06a7","agenda_item_id":null,"speaker_id":"off_fred_a_neil","speaker_confidence":0.98,"start_sec":248.71,"end_sec":265.23,"text":"Any other questions? I have a question in terms of of the building being sold. If it is condemned and it's sold, how long does the new owner have to rectify this or to take this building down?","topics_json":"[\"housing\",\"zoning\",\"public_safety\"]","vector_id":"vec_seg_95179_18","created_at":"2026-10-31T06:54:29Z","speaker_name":"Fred A. 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So, and that's the only thing that that is billed, that's the only thing that's charged, that's the only thing that's liened.","topics_json":"[\"housing\",\"budget\",\"taxes\"]","vector_id":"vec_seg_95179_180","created_at":"2026-10-31T06:54:29Z","speaker_name":null},{"id":"seg_95179_181","meeting_id":"95179","media_asset_id":"med_95179_f3a207d411cb06a7","agenda_item_id":null,"speaker_id":"off_donyale_m_hall","speaker_confidence":0.95,"start_sec":3177.51,"end_sec":3179.33,"text":"Thank you, I yield.","topics_json":"[]","vector_id":"vec_seg_95179_181","created_at":"2026-10-31T06:54:29Z","speaker_name":"Donyale M. Hall"},{"id":"seg_95179_182","meeting_id":"95179","media_asset_id":"med_95179_f3a207d411cb06a7","agenda_item_id":null,"speaker_id":"off_fred_a_neil","speaker_confidence":0.9,"start_sec":3179.33,"end_sec":3181.5,"text":"Councilwoman Arndt.","topics_json":"[]","vector_id":"vec_seg_95179_182","created_at":"2026-10-31T06:54:29Z","speaker_name":"Fred A. 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Is it the property owner or the city?","topics_json":"[\"housing\",\"public_safety\"]","vector_id":"vec_seg_95179_184","created_at":"2026-10-31T06:54:29Z","speaker_name":"Tricia K. Arndt"},{"id":"seg_95179_185","meeting_id":"95179","media_asset_id":"med_95179_f3a207d411cb06a7","agenda_item_id":null,"speaker_id":"spk_95179_city_staff","speaker_confidence":0.9,"start_sec":3230.86,"end_sec":3249.22,"text":"It's the it's the property owner. Um, it's the property owner's responsibility to ensure that it's secured. The only time the city secures the property is when it becomes a nuisance. Um, then we hire somebody out there to uh secure it, which costs anywhere between $2,000 to $5,000.","topics_json":"[\"housing\",\"budget\",\"public_safety\"]","vector_id":"vec_seg_95179_185","created_at":"2026-10-31T06:54:29Z","speaker_name":null},{"id":"seg_95179_186","meeting_id":"95179","media_asset_id":"med_95179_f3a207d411cb06a7","agenda_item_id":null,"speaker_id":"spk_95179_city_staff","speaker_confidence":0.9,"start_sec":3249.22,"end_sec":3277.97,"text":"Um, so it's it's very expensive. We do that at um worst-case scenario. Either the property owner is absent or the property owner is not compliant. Um, this property, I understand the financial situation, we probably should have had boarded because the continuous unlawful entry into it. Um, but Mr. Blot, in in speaking with him, he ensured me he would keep it secured. So, uh, but it is the owner's responsibility at all times, and it's actually a citeable offense to find your building unsecure.","topics_json":"[\"housing\",\"public_safety\"]","vector_id":"vec_seg_95179_186","created_at":"2026-10-31T06:54:29Z","speaker_name":null},{"id":"seg_95179_187","meeting_id":"95179","media_asset_id":"med_95179_f3a207d411cb06a7","agenda_item_id":null,"speaker_id":"off_tricia_k_arndt","speaker_confidence":0.95,"start_sec":3277.97,"end_sec":3279.8,"text":"Okay. Thank you. I yield.","topics_json":"[]","vector_id":"vec_seg_95179_187","created_at":"2026-10-31T06:54:29Z","speaker_name":"Tricia K. Arndt"},{"id":"seg_95179_188","meeting_id":"95179","media_asset_id":"med_95179_f3a207d411cb06a7","agenda_item_id":null,"speaker_id":"off_fred_a_neil","speaker_confidence":0.9,"start_sec":3279.8,"end_sec":3281.55,"text":"Councilman Lewis.","topics_json":"[]","vector_id":"vec_seg_95179_188","created_at":"2026-10-31T06:54:29Z","speaker_name":"Fred A. 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So, regardless if it goes to a new owner or not, that demolition order remains in effect.","topics_json":"[\"housing\",\"zoning\",\"public_safety\"]","vector_id":"vec_seg_95179_19","created_at":"2026-10-31T06:54:29Z","speaker_name":"Eddie Kopp"},{"id":"seg_95179_190","meeting_id":"95179","media_asset_id":"med_95179_f3a207d411cb06a7","agenda_item_id":null,"speaker_id":"spk_95179_city_staff","speaker_confidence":0.9,"start_sec":3286.95,"end_sec":3313.87,"text":"So, anytime a property meets the dangerous building guidelines. So, whether that's a vacant building, an occupied building, if it falls under dangerous building category in accordance with Dover code of ordinance and the International Property Maintenance Code, we are obligated to issue that condemnation there on site. So, there there's um under definitions, it spells out all the parameters of a dangerous building, but if we see any of those parameters for a dangerous building, we must condemn it.","topics_json":"[\"housing\",\"public_safety\"]","vector_id":"vec_seg_95179_190","created_at":"2026-10-31T06:54:29Z","speaker_name":null},{"id":"seg_95179_191","meeting_id":"95179","media_asset_id":"med_95179_f3a207d411cb06a7","agenda_item_id":null,"speaker_id":"off_brian_e_lewis","speaker_confidence":0.95,"start_sec":3313.87,"end_sec":3336.89,"text":"Okay, and to piggyback off Ms. Arndt's question with respect to safety, um uh why hasn't it been thought of to uh put a fence around the property? I mean, you can board up windows and doors, but you're still going to have possible uh vagrants and uh homeless people maybe try to get in. So, why don't they put a fence around the whole property since it's uh uh I guess uh warranted unsafe?","topics_json":"[\"housing\",\"homelessness\",\"public_safety\"]","vector_id":"vec_seg_95179_191","created_at":"2026-10-31T06:54:29Z","speaker_name":"Brian E. Lewis"},{"id":"seg_95179_192","meeting_id":"95179","media_asset_id":"med_95179_f3a207d411cb06a7","agenda_item_id":null,"speaker_id":"spk_95179_city_staff","speaker_confidence":0.9,"start_sec":3336.89,"end_sec":3342.29,"text":"So there is a current fence around the property. Um, there is a fence around majority of the property,","topics_json":"[\"housing\",\"public_safety\"]","vector_id":"vec_seg_95179_192","created_at":"2026-10-31T06:54:29Z","speaker_name":null},{"id":"seg_95179_193","meeting_id":"95179","media_asset_id":"med_95179_f3a207d411cb06a7","agenda_item_id":null,"speaker_id":"spk_95179_eddie_kopp","speaker_confidence":0.9,"start_sec":3342.29,"end_sec":3368.44,"text":"property. It's it's not stopping. Now, if the city puts a property or if the city puts a fence up there, fences are very, very expensive um as we've seen. They're they're very expensive, and if we were to do it for his property, we would have to do it for the other 60 dangerous buildings within the city that are having the same issue. Um it's it's not cost-effective. It's not a good use of funds. Um it's","topics_json":"[\"budget\",\"public_safety\",\"housing\"]","vector_id":"vec_seg_95179_193","created_at":"2026-10-31T06:54:29Z","speaker_name":"Eddie Kopp"},{"id":"seg_95179_194","meeting_id":"95179","media_asset_id":"med_95179_f3a207d411cb06a7","agenda_item_id":null,"speaker_id":"off_brian_e_lewis","speaker_confidence":0.95,"start_sec":3368.44,"end_sec":3378.09,"text":"Even uh even even temporary fences uh that like construction sites use where you could post signs, you know, no trespassing, dangerous property? 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Christiansen"},{"id":"seg_95179_205","meeting_id":"95179","media_asset_id":"med_95179_f3a207d411cb06a7","agenda_item_id":null,"speaker_id":"off_roy_sudler_jr","speaker_confidence":0.9,"start_sec":3412.65,"end_sec":3413.69,"text":"Except mine.","topics_json":"[]","vector_id":"vec_seg_95179_205","created_at":"2026-10-31T06:54:29Z","speaker_name":"Roy Sudler, Jr."},{"id":"seg_95179_206","meeting_id":"95179","media_asset_id":"med_95179_f3a207d411cb06a7","agenda_item_id":null,"speaker_id":"off_andre_m_boggerty","speaker_confidence":0.9,"start_sec":3413.69,"end_sec":3422.19,"text":"Bishop uh Apostle, first off, I appreciate uh what you and the service that you provide in in that area.","topics_json":"[]","vector_id":"vec_seg_95179_206","created_at":"2026-10-31T06:54:29Z","speaker_name":"Andre M. Boggerty"},{"id":"seg_95179_207","meeting_id":"95179","media_asset_id":"med_95179_f3a207d411cb06a7","agenda_item_id":null,"speaker_id":"off_andre_m_boggerty","speaker_confidence":0.9,"start_sec":3422.19,"end_sec":3430.37,"text":"Um Ed uh Mr. Kopp, could you tell me uh what the taxes and fees that are outstanding on this property?","topics_json":"[\"taxes\",\"housing\"]","vector_id":"vec_seg_95179_207","created_at":"2026-10-31T06:54:29Z","speaker_name":"Andre M. 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In the event it is not done, to order the code official to cause the demolition of the building, the accessory structures, if not completed by the owner within 10 days of the date established, which will be December 22nd, 2025. And then order the City Manager, with the assistance of the City Solicitor, um to seek lien, suit, whatever the case may be, to uh recoup all costs associated with the demolition. Um that would include that would include asbestos abatement, city contracted services, and then the actual cost of demolition. Next slide? All right, so here's the Here's the pictures, I'll explain all of them. This is the condemnation um that happened back in June. Uh it was condemned by the Fire Marshal's office due to an electrical safety issue. Next slide. This is what","topics_json":"[\"housing\",\"public_safety\",\"zoning\",\"budget\"]","vector_id":"vec_seg_95179_21","created_at":"2026-10-31T06:54:29Z","speaker_name":"Eddie Kopp"},{"id":"seg_95179_210","meeting_id":"95179","media_asset_id":"med_95179_f3a207d411cb06a7","agenda_item_id":null,"speaker_id":"spk_95179_eddie_kopp","speaker_confidence":0.9,"start_sec":3445.64,"end_sec":3447.19,"text":"They are still outstanding.","topics_json":"[\"taxes\"]","vector_id":"vec_seg_95179_210","created_at":"2026-10-31T06:54:29Z","speaker_name":"Eddie Kopp"},{"id":"seg_95179_211","meeting_id":"95179","media_asset_id":"med_95179_f3a207d411cb06a7","agenda_item_id":null,"speaker_id":"off_andre_m_boggerty","speaker_confidence":0.9,"start_sec":3447.19,"end_sec":3452.74,"text":"So at any sale, they would be rolled into into the sale before the sale would go through?","topics_json":"[\"taxes\",\"housing\"]","vector_id":"vec_seg_95179_211","created_at":"2026-10-31T06:54:29Z","speaker_name":"Andre M. Boggerty"},{"id":"seg_95179_212","meeting_id":"95179","media_asset_id":"med_95179_f3a207d411cb06a7","agenda_item_id":null,"speaker_id":"spk_95179_eddie_kopp","speaker_confidence":0.9,"start_sec":3452.74,"end_sec":3453.72,"text":"Correct.","topics_json":"[]","vector_id":"vec_seg_95179_212","created_at":"2026-10-31T06:54:29Z","speaker_name":"Eddie Kopp"},{"id":"seg_95179_213","meeting_id":"95179","media_asset_id":"med_95179_f3a207d411cb06a7","agenda_item_id":null,"speaker_id":"off_andre_m_boggerty","speaker_confidence":0.9,"start_sec":3453.72,"end_sec":3457.06,"text":"I yield to Councilman Rocha, and reserve the right to ask another question.","topics_json":"[]","vector_id":"vec_seg_95179_213","created_at":"2026-10-31T06:54:29Z","speaker_name":"Andre M. 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Councilman Rocha.","topics_json":"[]","vector_id":"vec_seg_95179_218","created_at":"2026-10-31T06:54:29Z","speaker_name":"Robin R. Christiansen"},{"id":"seg_95179_219","meeting_id":"95179","media_asset_id":"med_95179_f3a207d411cb06a7","agenda_item_id":null,"speaker_id":"off_andre_m_boggerty","speaker_confidence":0.9,"start_sec":3482.52,"end_sec":3502.32,"text":"So, once again, make it clear to all of us that if we declare this building that it needs to be demolished, there's still wiggle room for whoever purchases it, the condemnation carries forward, and the instructions for them to tear it down go along with the sale to the next owner?","topics_json":"[\"housing\"]","vector_id":"vec_seg_95179_219","created_at":"2026-10-31T06:54:29Z","speaker_name":"Andre M. Boggerty"},{"id":"seg_95179_22","meeting_id":"95179","media_asset_id":"med_95179_f3a207d411cb06a7","agenda_item_id":null,"speaker_id":"spk_95179_city_staff","speaker_confidence":0.9,"start_sec":393.21,"end_sec":410.79,"text":"the property looks looked like back in July of 25- er, July 29th of 25. Um, this is an ongoing issue, so you'll see progression with the photos. Next slide. That's what the backyard looked like. This- now these- this has since been rectified, but that's what we encountered um back in July 25. Next slide.","topics_json":"[\"housing\",\"public_safety\"]","vector_id":"vec_seg_95179_22","created_at":"2026-10-31T06:54:29Z","speaker_name":null},{"id":"seg_95179_220","meeting_id":"95179","media_asset_id":"med_95179_f3a207d411cb06a7","agenda_item_id":null,"speaker_id":"spk_95179_eddie_kopp","speaker_confidence":0.9,"start_sec":3502.32,"end_sec":3503.2,"text":"That's correct.","topics_json":"[\"housing\"]","vector_id":"vec_seg_95179_220","created_at":"2026-10-31T06:54:29Z","speaker_name":"Eddie Kopp"},{"id":"seg_95179_221","meeting_id":"95179","media_asset_id":"med_95179_f3a207d411cb06a7","agenda_item_id":null,"speaker_id":"off_andre_m_boggerty","speaker_confidence":0.9,"start_sec":3503.2,"end_sec":3505.95,"text":"With no recourse against the present owner?","topics_json":"[\"housing\"]","vector_id":"vec_seg_95179_221","created_at":"2026-10-31T06:54:29Z","speaker_name":"Andre M. Boggerty"},{"id":"seg_95179_222","meeting_id":"95179","media_asset_id":"med_95179_f3a207d411cb06a7","agenda_item_id":null,"speaker_id":"spk_95179_eddie_kopp","speaker_confidence":0.9,"start_sec":3505.95,"end_sec":3506.84,"text":"Correct.","topics_json":"[]","vector_id":"vec_seg_95179_222","created_at":"2026-10-31T06:54:29Z","speaker_name":"Eddie Kopp"},{"id":"seg_95179_223","meeting_id":"95179","media_asset_id":"med_95179_f3a207d411cb06a7","agenda_item_id":null,"speaker_id":"off_andre_m_boggerty","speaker_confidence":0.9,"start_sec":3506.84,"end_sec":3508.02,"text":"Okay, I yield.","topics_json":"[]","vector_id":"vec_seg_95179_223","created_at":"2026-10-31T06:54:29Z","speaker_name":"Andre M. Boggerty"},{"id":"seg_95179_224","meeting_id":"95179","media_asset_id":"med_95179_f3a207d411cb06a7","agenda_item_id":null,"speaker_id":"off_robin_r_christiansen","speaker_confidence":0.95,"start_sec":3508.02,"end_sec":3516.13,"text":"Thank you, Mr. Mayor. Anyone else want to speak in favor of not tearing down this building? Yes.","topics_json":"[\"housing\"]","vector_id":"vec_seg_95179_224","created_at":"2026-10-31T06:54:29Z","speaker_name":"Robin R. Christiansen"},{"id":"seg_95179_225","meeting_id":"95179","media_asset_id":"med_95179_f3a207d411cb06a7","agenda_item_id":null,"speaker_id":"spk_95179_eulinda_main","speaker_confidence":0.85,"start_sec":3516.13,"end_sec":3519.14,"text":"I actually do have a question um for","topics_json":"[]","vector_id":"vec_seg_95179_225","created_at":"2026-10-31T06:54:29Z","speaker_name":"Eulinda Main"},{"id":"seg_95179_226","meeting_id":"95179","media_asset_id":"med_95179_f3a207d411cb06a7","agenda_item_id":null,"speaker_id":"off_robin_r_christiansen","speaker_confidence":0.95,"start_sec":3519.14,"end_sec":3527.26,"text":"Please come forward. You have been here, you know the name and address.","topics_json":"[]","vector_id":"vec_seg_95179_226","created_at":"2026-10-31T06:54:29Z","speaker_name":"Robin R. Christiansen"},{"id":"seg_95179_227","meeting_id":"95179","media_asset_id":"med_95179_f3a207d411cb06a7","agenda_item_id":null,"speaker_id":"spk_95179_eulinda_main","speaker_confidence":0.9,"start_sec":3527.26,"end_sec":3538.89,"text":"Eulinda Main, City of Dover. Um I did have a couple issues that I was listening to with code enforcement. Um this place being and mostly the properties that are","topics_json":"[\"housing\"]","vector_id":"vec_seg_95179_227","created_at":"2026-10-31T06:54:29Z","speaker_name":"Eulinda Main"},{"id":"seg_95179_228","meeting_id":"95179","media_asset_id":"med_95179_f3a207d411cb06a7","agenda_item_id":null,"speaker_id":"spk_95179_public_commenter","speaker_confidence":0.9,"start_sec":3538.89,"end_sec":3721.69,"text":"up for now are considered dangerous places. Um, the reason why they're dangerous places is not just because of what's inside the building, but it's the trespassers, like this gentleman had put a fence around the back half to keep trespassers from going through the property, to kind of help the back end of being demolished or destroyed. But instead, the front half is yet unprotected from trespassers who want to break windows, climb in the in the buildings, inhabit it. So it is a actually an empty building being inhabited by people that don't own it, but yet can't be repaired by the gentleman, if he chose to, because it's just going to get demolished or destroyed by these trespassers again from breaking windows, breaking into doors, using it as housing, um drug use and everything else. It's the process isn't going to stop by, you know, placing code enforcement fines on something that someone's trying to at least preserve some of the property for a sale. And what would also be considered is if he is in the process of selling the property from Neighborhood Place, which everyone seems to not hear, Neighborhood Place is planning on purchasing it, maybe code enforcement and the gentleman should go to Neighborhood Place and actually put up an agreement of, okay, yes, we are in the process of doing this, that, and the other in order to confirm that this sale is actually going to go through at some point. If not, then, you know, we we move on from that point. But right now, the gentleman, like you said, has not has a closing date because there are issues that are causing this sale to go through. And at as buying a house and having, you know, things fall through at the last minute during closing, I I lost, you know, owning my own house until I bought this house, and no issues with anything happened. But in the and the point is, is if it's in the process of being sold, and there has to be paperwork documented, have the gentleman go back there and say, 'Look, I need paperwork saying that you guys are promising to buy this, to give me time in order to settle whatever differences need to be settled, and actually board up the place and secure it so that there isn't any more damage till it can be demolished, even though it's going to be demolished anyway.' But with these properties, no matter what, you can demolish them, homeless people are still going to find some way to go back to that empty lot till something is built there to forceful habit or put tents up. So, I mean, no matter what, if you don't contain it to being a safe property to purchase, it doesn't matter if the dwelling is there or isn't there, it's still going to cause a problem. Thank you.","topics_json":"[\"housing\",\"homelessness\",\"public_safety\"]","vector_id":"vec_seg_95179_228","created_at":"2026-10-31T06:54:29Z","speaker_name":null},{"id":"seg_95179_229","meeting_id":"95179","media_asset_id":"med_95179_f3a207d411cb06a7","agenda_item_id":null,"speaker_id":"off_fred_a_neil","speaker_confidence":0.95,"start_sec":3721.89,"end_sec":3735.49,"text":"Thank you. Is there anyone who is in favor of demolishing the this piece of property? I see no hands, no one online...","topics_json":"[\"housing\",\"public_safety\"]","vector_id":"vec_seg_95179_229","created_at":"2026-10-31T06:54:29Z","speaker_name":"Fred A. Neil"},{"id":"seg_95179_23","meeting_id":"95179","media_asset_id":"med_95179_f3a207d411cb06a7","agenda_item_id":null,"speaker_id":"spk_95179_city_staff","speaker_confidence":0.9,"start_sec":410.79,"end_sec":429.05,"text":"That's the fence. Um, if you take note on that tree growing through the fence, um the fence was built around that tree. So, that fence was not permitted, um and, to date, there has been no application for a permit for this fence. Next slide.","topics_json":"[\"housing\",\"zoning\"]","vector_id":"vec_seg_95179_23","created_at":"2026-10-31T06:54:29Z","speaker_name":null},{"id":"seg_95179_230","meeting_id":"95179","media_asset_id":"med_95179_f3a207d411cb06a7","agenda_item_id":null,"speaker_id":"off_fred_a_neil","speaker_confidence":0.95,"start_sec":3735.5,"end_sec":3888.75,"text":"all has spoken. Basically, looking at this, the house is really not relevant. What's relevant is the piece of property that a new house is going to go on. Basically, a good house, a safe house, a well-built house for people who desperately need housing. The destruction of this property is typical of any empty building that's throughout the entire city. They're being destroyed from the inside out. I compare it to termites. There's people who cannot help themselves. These are people who cannot help themselves. They're desperate, and they'll do anything that they possibly can. That becomes a separate issue that the House of Pride basically is trying to get these people out of that depths of depression and the problems that they're having. In this case, it's I think it's fairly simple. The land that that house sits on is the most valuable thing. There is a value to it, can be sold. By taking this action now, you have 30 days for something to happen, to come to the city and let a code inspector know that there's action being taken, there really is going to be a closing, there's evidence that are there, and the code inspection team has been known to work with individuals and companies and organizations to be flexible in this. That's where we stand at this time. I'm going to call the question at this time. All in favor of the demolition of this building by the December 22nd? 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Neil"},{"id":"seg_95179_235","meeting_id":"95179","media_asset_id":"med_95179_f3a207d411cb06a7","agenda_item_id":null,"speaker_id":"off_tricia_k_arndt","speaker_confidence":0.95,"start_sec":3901.23,"end_sec":3902.2,"text":"Second.","topics_json":"[]","vector_id":"vec_seg_95179_235","created_at":"2026-10-31T06:54:29Z","speaker_name":"Tricia K. Arndt"},{"id":"seg_95179_236","meeting_id":"95179","media_asset_id":"med_95179_f3a207d411cb06a7","agenda_item_id":null,"speaker_id":"off_fred_a_neil","speaker_confidence":0.95,"start_sec":3902.2,"end_sec":3912.84,"text":"And second by Councilwoman Arndt. The motion is to for demolition for the 22nd of December, December 22nd.","topics_json":"[]","vector_id":"vec_seg_95179_236","created_at":"2026-10-31T06:54:29Z","speaker_name":"Fred A. Neil"},{"id":"seg_95179_237","meeting_id":"95179","media_asset_id":"med_95179_f3a207d411cb06a7","agenda_item_id":null,"speaker_id":"spk_95179_city_staff","speaker_confidence":0.85,"start_sec":3912.84,"end_sec":3923.15,"text":"If I could comment real quick. I believe your motion should be to repair or demolish. We don't want to remove the ability to repair. At the end of the day, we want compliance with the property. If it has to go to demolition, that's compliance, but I don't want to remove the opportunity. He could always repair the building, bring it up to code within the next 30 days and that would remediate it. So I just want to make sure repair is in the motion so we're not eliminating that.","topics_json":"[\"housing\",\"public_safety\"]","vector_id":"vec_seg_95179_237","created_at":"2026-10-31T06:54:29Z","speaker_name":null},{"id":"seg_95179_238","meeting_id":"95179","media_asset_id":"med_95179_f3a207d411cb06a7","agenda_item_id":null,"speaker_id":"off_julia_m_pillsbury","speaker_confidence":0.95,"start_sec":3923.15,"end_sec":3927.25,"text":"This is Dr. Pillsbury, and I accept your language.","topics_json":"[]","vector_id":"vec_seg_95179_238","created_at":"2026-10-31T06:54:29Z","speaker_name":"Julia M. Pillsbury"},{"id":"seg_95179_239","meeting_id":"95179","media_asset_id":"med_95179_f3a207d411cb06a7","agenda_item_id":null,"speaker_id":"off_fred_a_neil","speaker_confidence":0.95,"start_sec":3927.25,"end_sec":3931.3,"text":"Staff recommendation, right. Okay. Seconder, do you accept that?","topics_json":"[]","vector_id":"vec_seg_95179_239","created_at":"2026-10-31T06:54:29Z","speaker_name":"Fred A. Neil"},{"id":"seg_95179_24","meeting_id":"95179","media_asset_id":"med_95179_f3a207d411cb06a7","agenda_item_id":null,"speaker_id":"spk_95179_city_staff","speaker_confidence":0.9,"start_sec":429.05,"end_sec":444.01,"text":"Uh, conditions of the property. The house has been utterly shot with paintballs. I guess they thought it would be a good idea to shoot it. There's There's a couple pictures of that. Next slide. Um, the house The siding's been damaged with paintballs. Next slide.","topics_json":"[\"housing\",\"public_safety\"]","vector_id":"vec_seg_95179_24","created_at":"2026-10-31T06:54:29Z","speaker_name":null},{"id":"seg_95179_240","meeting_id":"95179","media_asset_id":"med_95179_f3a207d411cb06a7","agenda_item_id":null,"speaker_id":"off_tricia_k_arndt","speaker_confidence":0.95,"start_sec":3931.3,"end_sec":3932.1,"text":"I agree. Thank you.","topics_json":"[]","vector_id":"vec_seg_95179_240","created_at":"2026-10-31T06:54:29Z","speaker_name":"Tricia K. Arndt"},{"id":"seg_95179_241","meeting_id":"95179","media_asset_id":"med_95179_f3a207d411cb06a7","agenda_item_id":null,"speaker_id":"spk_95179_justin_kopp","speaker_confidence":1,"start_sec":3932.11,"end_sec":3958.71,"text":"fine. Uh those are fees from 2013, so this building has had code violations since 2013, so it's accumulation um of neglect of compliance for the violations since not 2013, I'm sorry, 2023. Um I stand corrected. 2023, this property has been an issue. 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Neil"},{"id":"seg_95179_275","meeting_id":"95179","media_asset_id":"med_95179_f3a207d411cb06a7","agenda_item_id":null,"speaker_id":"off_brian_e_lewis","speaker_confidence":0.9,"start_sec":4141.36,"end_sec":4144.92,"text":"My question is, uh has there been any communication with the property owner?","topics_json":"[\"housing\"]","vector_id":"vec_seg_95179_275","created_at":"2026-10-31T06:54:29Z","speaker_name":"Brian E. Lewis"},{"id":"seg_95179_276","meeting_id":"95179","media_asset_id":"med_95179_f3a207d411cb06a7","agenda_item_id":null,"speaker_id":"spk_95179_mr_cobb","speaker_confidence":0.95,"start_sec":4145.27,"end_sec":4169.16,"text":"We have tried to um communicate with the property owner. I have communicated with um the non-profit involved, and they're in litigation. Um, so that's beyond us. Uh my concern for this is the building being brought to a safe condition. 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But uh at this point, I don't know if you know if uh the property was insured, but it's just kind of uh suspect.","topics_json":"[\"housing\",\"public_safety\"]","vector_id":"vec_seg_95179_277","created_at":"2026-10-31T06:54:29Z","speaker_name":"Brian E. Lewis"},{"id":"seg_95179_278","meeting_id":"95179","media_asset_id":"med_95179_f3a207d411cb06a7","agenda_item_id":null,"speaker_id":"spk_95179_mr_cobb","speaker_confidence":0.95,"start_sec":4214.86,"end_sec":4228.37,"text":"Yeah, so um from what I've known, I don't know if I can release in a public forum uh in my communications, but I don't want to comment on if there was or was not insurance. Um, but this property did catch fire back in February. 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Christiansen"},{"id":"seg_95179_284","meeting_id":"95179","media_asset_id":"med_95179_f3a207d411cb06a7","agenda_item_id":null,"speaker_id":"spk_95179_mr_cobb","speaker_confidence":0.95,"start_sec":4241.73,"end_sec":4242.37,"text":"50%, yes.","topics_json":"[\"housing\"]","vector_id":"vec_seg_95179_284","created_at":"2026-10-31T06:54:29Z","speaker_name":"Mr. Cobb"},{"id":"seg_95179_285","meeting_id":"95179","media_asset_id":"med_95179_f3a207d411cb06a7","agenda_item_id":null,"speaker_id":"off_robin_r_christiansen","speaker_confidence":0.95,"start_sec":4242.44,"end_sec":4254.1,"text":"I think that's well over 50%, and uh I think that uh there are some extenuating circumstances of which we cannot speak about how that fire occurred and what the circumstances are there, but if this meets the criteria of 50% or more, it it's got to go.","topics_json":"[\"housing\",\"public_safety\"]","vector_id":"vec_seg_95179_285","created_at":"2026-10-31T06:54:29Z","speaker_name":"Robin R. 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Pillsbury"},{"id":"seg_95179_29","meeting_id":"95179","media_asset_id":"med_95179_f3a207d411cb06a7","agenda_item_id":null,"speaker_id":"spk_95179_city_staff","speaker_confidence":0.9,"start_sec":490.61,"end_sec":495.94,"text":"Uh, that substance sitting there on the counter, we believe to be is urine.","topics_json":"[\"housing\",\"public_safety\"]","vector_id":"vec_seg_95179_29","created_at":"2026-10-31T06:54:29Z","speaker_name":null},{"id":"seg_95179_290","meeting_id":"95179","media_asset_id":"med_95179_f3a207d411cb06a7","agenda_item_id":null,"speaker_id":"off_fred_a_neil","speaker_confidence":0.95,"start_sec":4312.24,"end_sec":4312.81,"text":"Okay.","topics_json":"[]","vector_id":"vec_seg_95179_290","created_at":"2026-10-31T06:54:29Z","speaker_name":"Fred A. 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Dr.--","topics_json":"[\"housing\",\"public_safety\"]","vector_id":"vec_seg_95179_311","created_at":"2026-10-31T06:54:29Z","speaker_name":null},{"id":"seg_95179_312","meeting_id":"95179","media_asset_id":"med_95179_f3a207d411cb06a7","agenda_item_id":null,"speaker_id":"off_fred_a_neil","speaker_confidence":1,"start_sec":4350.82,"end_sec":4351.82,"text":"Yes.","topics_json":"[\"housing\",\"public_safety\"]","vector_id":"vec_seg_95179_312","created_at":"2026-10-31T06:54:29Z","speaker_name":"Fred A. 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Rocha, Sr."},{"id":"seg_95179_334","meeting_id":"95179","media_asset_id":"med_95179_f3a207d411cb06a7","agenda_item_id":null,"speaker_id":"spk_95179_eddie_kopp","speaker_confidence":0.95,"start_sec":4573.92,"end_sec":4581.72,"text":"At that, um, at the time of this, taxes were $458.40.","topics_json":"[\"taxes\"]","vector_id":"vec_seg_95179_334","created_at":"2026-10-31T06:54:30Z","speaker_name":"Eddie Kopp"},{"id":"seg_95179_335","meeting_id":"95179","media_asset_id":"med_95179_f3a207d411cb06a7","agenda_item_id":null,"speaker_id":"spk_95179_eddie_kopp","speaker_confidence":0.9,"start_sec":4581.92,"end_sec":4583.92,"text":"And I created, uh, calf this out—","topics_json":"[]","vector_id":"vec_seg_95179_335","created_at":"2026-10-31T06:54:30Z","speaker_name":"Eddie Kopp"},{"id":"seg_95179_336","meeting_id":"95179","media_asset_id":"med_95179_f3a207d411cb06a7","agenda_item_id":null,"speaker_id":"off_gerald_l_rocha_sr","speaker_confidence":0.95,"start_sec":4584.02,"end_sec":4588.12,"text":"So that's like last year's taxes, then. 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That that property, um, the condition of the property poses a threat. Um—","topics_json":"[\"housing\",\"public_safety\"]","vector_id":"vec_seg_95179_343","created_at":"2026-10-31T06:54:30Z","speaker_name":"Eddie Kopp"},{"id":"seg_95179_344","meeting_id":"95179","media_asset_id":"med_95179_f3a207d411cb06a7","agenda_item_id":null,"speaker_id":"off_gerald_l_rocha_sr","speaker_confidence":0.95,"start_sec":4646.72,"end_sec":4649.92,"text":"Even that you could look through the windows to see on the inside, too, or—","topics_json":"[\"housing\"]","vector_id":"vec_seg_95179_344","created_at":"2026-10-31T06:54:30Z","speaker_name":"Gerald L. Rocha, Sr."},{"id":"seg_95179_345","meeting_id":"95179","media_asset_id":"med_95179_f3a207d411cb06a7","agenda_item_id":null,"speaker_id":"spk_95179_eddie_kopp","speaker_confidence":0.95,"start_sec":4650.02,"end_sec":4666.12,"text":"Yeah. 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Lewis"},{"id":"seg_95179_349","meeting_id":"95179","media_asset_id":"med_95179_f3a207d411cb06a7","agenda_item_id":null,"speaker_id":"spk_95179_eddie_kopp","speaker_confidence":0.95,"start_sec":4699.92,"end_sec":4718.52,"text":"So, what we do before it comes to this this body, um, I do a lien search to get any any kind of information that way everyone can be notified. Um, so any pending litigation, court hearings, so on and so forth would come up in that lien search, um, because it's to get an—","topics_json":"[\"housing\",\"public_safety\"]","vector_id":"vec_seg_95179_349","created_at":"2026-10-31T06:54:30Z","speaker_name":"Eddie Kopp"},{"id":"seg_95179_35","meeting_id":"95179","media_asset_id":"med_95179_f3a207d411cb06a7","agenda_item_id":null,"speaker_id":"off_fred_a_neil","speaker_confidence":0.95,"start_sec":551.15,"end_sec":559.41,"text":"Thank you. Uh would you like to uh speak in favor of keeping this building and not demolishing it?","topics_json":"[\"housing\"]","vector_id":"vec_seg_95179_35","created_at":"2026-10-31T06:54:29Z","speaker_name":"Fred A. Neil"},{"id":"seg_95179_350","meeting_id":"95179","media_asset_id":"med_95179_f3a207d411cb06a7","agenda_item_id":null,"speaker_id":"spk_95179_city_staff","speaker_confidence":0.9,"start_sec":4718.53,"end_sec":4749.53,"text":"any interested party, to make sure they're notified. So, even if I'm sending notices out to, you know, just one owner and there's more owners involved in that, the letter of intent for this meeting and then the notice of this meeting gets sent out to all reputable people or anyone with interest in there, including mortgage companies, anyone in a trust, so on and so forth. So that gets sent out to everyone. But a lien search is conducted prior to the start of this process before I send any notices to make sure they're captured.","topics_json":"[\"housing\",\"public_safety\"]","vector_id":"vec_seg_95179_350","created_at":"2026-10-31T06:54:30Z","speaker_name":null},{"id":"seg_95179_351","meeting_id":"95179","media_asset_id":"med_95179_f3a207d411cb06a7","agenda_item_id":null,"speaker_id":"off_brian_e_lewis","speaker_confidence":1,"start_sec":4750.03,"end_sec":4756.73,"text":"So so you did your due diligence in attempting to notify the owner or owners of this property, correct?","topics_json":"[\"housing\"]","vector_id":"vec_seg_95179_351","created_at":"2026-10-31T06:54:30Z","speaker_name":"Brian E. Lewis"},{"id":"seg_95179_352","meeting_id":"95179","media_asset_id":"med_95179_f3a207d411cb06a7","agenda_item_id":null,"speaker_id":"spk_95179_city_staff","speaker_confidence":0.9,"start_sec":4756.73,"end_sec":4757.53,"text":"That's correct.","topics_json":"[\"housing\"]","vector_id":"vec_seg_95179_352","created_at":"2026-10-31T06:54:30Z","speaker_name":null},{"id":"seg_95179_353","meeting_id":"95179","media_asset_id":"med_95179_f3a207d411cb06a7","agenda_item_id":null,"speaker_id":"off_brian_e_lewis","speaker_confidence":1,"start_sec":4757.63,"end_sec":4760.03,"text":"Okay. No further questions. Thank you.","topics_json":"[]","vector_id":"vec_seg_95179_353","created_at":"2026-10-31T06:54:30Z","speaker_name":"Brian E. Lewis"},{"id":"seg_95179_354","meeting_id":"95179","media_asset_id":"med_95179_f3a207d411cb06a7","agenda_item_id":null,"speaker_id":"off_fred_a_neil","speaker_confidence":1,"start_sec":4760.53,"end_sec":4765.03,"text":"Any other members of Council? 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Arndt"},{"id":"seg_95179_357","meeting_id":"95179","media_asset_id":"med_95179_f3a207d411cb06a7","agenda_item_id":null,"speaker_id":"spk_95179_city_staff","speaker_confidence":0.9,"start_sec":4778.53,"end_sec":4782.53,"text":"Uh, notice of public hearing was posted October 24th, 2025.","topics_json":"[\"housing\"]","vector_id":"vec_seg_95179_357","created_at":"2026-10-31T06:54:30Z","speaker_name":null},{"id":"seg_95179_358","meeting_id":"95179","media_asset_id":"med_95179_f3a207d411cb06a7","agenda_item_id":null,"speaker_id":"off_tricia_k_arndt","speaker_confidence":1,"start_sec":4782.63,"end_sec":4785.03,"text":"Is that And that was for tonight's hearing?","topics_json":"[\"housing\"]","vector_id":"vec_seg_95179_358","created_at":"2026-10-31T06:54:30Z","speaker_name":"Tricia K. Arndt"},{"id":"seg_95179_359","meeting_id":"95179","media_asset_id":"med_95179_f3a207d411cb06a7","agenda_item_id":null,"speaker_id":"spk_95179_city_staff","speaker_confidence":0.9,"start_sec":4785.03,"end_sec":4786.03,"text":"Yes.","topics_json":"[\"housing\"]","vector_id":"vec_seg_95179_359","created_at":"2026-10-31T06:54:30Z","speaker_name":null},{"id":"seg_95179_36","meeting_id":"95179","media_asset_id":"med_95179_f3a207d411cb06a7","agenda_item_id":null,"speaker_id":"spk_95179_the_executive","speaker_confidence":0.9,"start_sec":559.41,"end_sec":560.59,"text":"Good evening.","topics_json":"[]","vector_id":"vec_seg_95179_36","created_at":"2026-10-31T06:54:29Z","speaker_name":"the executive"},{"id":"seg_95179_360","meeting_id":"95179","media_asset_id":"med_95179_f3a207d411cb06a7","agenda_item_id":null,"speaker_id":"spk_95179_city_staff","speaker_confidence":0.9,"start_sec":4786.03,"end_sec":4796.53,"text":"Yeah. So that's the notice. Um, it was sent and posted on October 20- 24th, 2025 5 2025, that's notifying them of this hearing.","topics_json":"[\"housing\"]","vector_id":"vec_seg_95179_360","created_at":"2026-10-31T06:54:30Z","speaker_name":null},{"id":"seg_95179_361","meeting_id":"95179","media_asset_id":"med_95179_f3a207d411cb06a7","agenda_item_id":null,"speaker_id":"spk_95179_city_staff","speaker_confidence":0.9,"start_sec":4796.53,"end_sec":4802.03,"text":"Um, so it sent first class mail, certified mail, and physically posted on the property.","topics_json":"[\"housing\"]","vector_id":"vec_seg_95179_361","created_at":"2026-10-31T06:54:30Z","speaker_name":null},{"id":"seg_95179_362","meeting_id":"95179","media_asset_id":"med_95179_f3a207d411cb06a7","agenda_item_id":null,"speaker_id":"off_tricia_k_arndt","speaker_confidence":1,"start_sec":4802.03,"end_sec":4806.03,"text":"Okay. And it was initially condemned because of lack of utilities?","topics_json":"[\"housing\",\"public_safety\"]","vector_id":"vec_seg_95179_362","created_at":"2026-10-31T06:54:30Z","speaker_name":"Tricia K. Arndt"},{"id":"seg_95179_363","meeting_id":"95179","media_asset_id":"med_95179_f3a207d411cb06a7","agenda_item_id":null,"speaker_id":"spk_95179_city_staff","speaker_confidence":0.9,"start_sec":4806.33,"end_sec":4847.03,"text":"Um, lack of heat throughout. Um, there was a lack of heat was the condemnable offense, but there was several issues within the property to include smoke alarms, interior surfaces, roof damage, infestation, emergency escape opening, the exterior walls, windows and door frames, residential occupancies which would have been the heat, facilities required which would have been the electric, required testing which would have been a structural engineering report, sanitation, and then a permit required. So those are those are the outstanding violations for the property in addition to the dangerous building violations.","topics_json":"[\"housing\",\"public_safety\"]","vector_id":"vec_seg_95179_363","created_at":"2026-10-31T06:54:30Z","speaker_name":null},{"id":"seg_95179_364","meeting_id":"95179","media_asset_id":"med_95179_f3a207d411cb06a7","agenda_item_id":null,"speaker_id":"off_tricia_k_arndt","speaker_confidence":1,"start_sec":4847.13,"end_sec":4849.33,"text":"Gotcha. And were people living there at that time?","topics_json":"[\"housing\"]","vector_id":"vec_seg_95179_364","created_at":"2026-10-31T06:54:30Z","speaker_name":"Tricia K. Arndt"},{"id":"seg_95179_365","meeting_id":"95179","media_asset_id":"med_95179_f3a207d411cb06a7","agenda_item_id":null,"speaker_id":"spk_95179_city_staff","speaker_confidence":0.9,"start_sec":4849.53,"end_sec":4852.53,"text":"At the time of condemnation, yeah, and it's been vacant since.","topics_json":"[\"housing\"]","vector_id":"vec_seg_95179_365","created_at":"2026-10-31T06:54:30Z","speaker_name":null},{"id":"seg_95179_366","meeting_id":"95179","media_asset_id":"med_95179_f3a207d411cb06a7","agenda_item_id":null,"speaker_id":"off_tricia_k_arndt","speaker_confidence":1,"start_sec":4852.53,"end_sec":4854.03,"text":"Okay. Thank you. I yield.","topics_json":"[]","vector_id":"vec_seg_95179_366","created_at":"2026-10-31T06:54:30Z","speaker_name":"Tricia K. Arndt"},{"id":"seg_95179_367","meeting_id":"95179","media_asset_id":"med_95179_f3a207d411cb06a7","agenda_item_id":null,"speaker_id":"off_fred_a_neil","speaker_confidence":1,"start_sec":4854.53,"end_sec":4868.53,"text":"Any other questions from Council? I declare this public hearing open. Anybody in favor of maintaining or not destroying or bringing down this this house? Is there anyone online?","topics_json":"[\"housing\",\"public_safety\"]","vector_id":"vec_seg_95179_367","created_at":"2026-10-31T06:54:30Z","speaker_name":"Fred A. Neil"},{"id":"seg_95179_368","meeting_id":"95179","media_asset_id":"med_95179_f3a207d411cb06a7","agenda_item_id":null,"speaker_id":"off_fred_a_neil","speaker_confidence":1,"start_sec":4871.53,"end_sec":4882.53,"text":"No one is online. Anyone in favor of the recommendation to have this property demolished?","topics_json":"[\"housing\",\"public_safety\"]","vector_id":"vec_seg_95179_368","created_at":"2026-10-31T06:54:30Z","speaker_name":"Fred A. Neil"},{"id":"seg_95179_369","meeting_id":"95179","media_asset_id":"med_95179_f3a207d411cb06a7","agenda_item_id":null,"speaker_id":"off_fred_a_neil","speaker_confidence":1,"start_sec":4882.73,"end_sec":4895.53,"text":"Anyone online? Having no one online, I call this public hearing closed. What is the desire of the Council?","topics_json":"[\"housing\",\"public_safety\"]","vector_id":"vec_seg_95179_369","created_at":"2026-10-31T06:54:30Z","speaker_name":"Fred A. Neil"},{"id":"seg_95179_37","meeting_id":"95179","media_asset_id":"med_95179_f3a207d411cb06a7","agenda_item_id":null,"speaker_id":"off_fred_a_neil","speaker_confidence":0.95,"start_sec":560.59,"end_sec":561.63,"text":"Good evening.","topics_json":"[]","vector_id":"vec_seg_95179_37","created_at":"2026-10-31T06:54:29Z","speaker_name":"Fred A. Neil"},{"id":"seg_95179_370","meeting_id":"95179","media_asset_id":"med_95179_f3a207d411cb06a7","agenda_item_id":null,"speaker_id":"off_fred_a_neil","speaker_confidence":0.95,"start_sec":4895.53,"end_sec":4901.03,"text":"Councilman Pi- Pillsbury, or was it Councilwoman Hall? Councilwoman Hall.","topics_json":"[]","vector_id":"vec_seg_95179_370","created_at":"2026-10-31T06:54:30Z","speaker_name":"Fred A. Neil"},{"id":"seg_95179_371","meeting_id":"95179","media_asset_id":"med_95179_f3a207d411cb06a7","agenda_item_id":null,"speaker_id":"off_donyale_m_hall","speaker_confidence":1,"start_sec":4901.33,"end_sec":4909.03,"text":"I move that we accept the recommendation by staff to move forward on the condemnation of this building.","topics_json":"[\"housing\",\"public_safety\"]","vector_id":"vec_seg_95179_371","created_at":"2026-10-31T06:54:30Z","speaker_name":"Donyale M. 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Demolish. I amend my motion to the language to be adopted for demolition. Thank you.","topics_json":"[\"housing\"]","vector_id":"vec_seg_95179_377","created_at":"2026-10-31T06:54:30Z","speaker_name":"Donyale M. Hall"},{"id":"seg_95179_378","meeting_id":"95179","media_asset_id":"med_95179_f3a207d411cb06a7","agenda_item_id":null,"speaker_id":"off_fred_a_neil","speaker_confidence":0.95,"start_sec":4925.79,"end_sec":4929.77,"text":"Demolish. Okay. Thank you. Madam Clerk, please call the motion.","topics_json":"[]","vector_id":"vec_seg_95179_378","created_at":"2026-10-31T06:54:30Z","speaker_name":"Fred A. 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And Mr. Kopp?","topics_json":"[]","vector_id":"vec_seg_95179_392","created_at":"2026-10-31T06:54:30Z","speaker_name":"Fred A. Neil"},{"id":"seg_95179_393","meeting_id":"95179","media_asset_id":"med_95179_f3a207d411cb06a7","agenda_item_id":null,"speaker_id":"spk_95179_eddie_kopp","speaker_confidence":0.95,"start_sec":4944.27,"end_sec":4945.98,"text":"One more, we're at the end of the road, I promise. Um","topics_json":"[]","vector_id":"vec_seg_95179_393","created_at":"2026-10-31T06:54:30Z","speaker_name":"Eddie Kopp"},{"id":"seg_95179_394","meeting_id":"95179","media_asset_id":"med_95179_f3a207d411cb06a7","agenda_item_id":null,"speaker_id":"off_fred_a_neil","speaker_confidence":0.95,"start_sec":4946.05,"end_sec":4947.33,"text":"415 West Division.","topics_json":"[\"housing\"]","vector_id":"vec_seg_95179_394","created_at":"2026-10-31T06:54:30Z","speaker_name":"Fred A. Neil"},{"id":"seg_95179_395","meeting_id":"95179","media_asset_id":"med_95179_f3a207d411cb06a7","agenda_item_id":null,"speaker_id":"spk_95179_eddie_kopp","speaker_confidence":0.95,"start_sec":4947.4,"end_sec":5014.36,"text":"Starts on slide 95. So this is going to be for 415 West Division Street. All right, so this property um was condemned May 28th of 2024. Um the actual main parcel was condemned May 20th 2024. It has been um the other units were condemned since 2020, but the main parcel was this year. Uh Letter of Intent was sent and posted September 3rd, 2025. Notice of public hearing was October 24th, 2025. No utilities since April 4th, 2025. No active permits on file. No repairs have been made to the structure since the condemnation. Um just caveat on no repairs have been made to the structure since uh 2020 the the original case in 2020. Uh and it's been an active building case since May 6th, 2025. 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That was fast.","topics_json":"[\"housing\"]","vector_id":"vec_seg_95179_408","created_at":"2026-10-31T06:54:30Z","speaker_name":null},{"id":"seg_95179_409","meeting_id":"95179","media_asset_id":"med_95179_f3a207d411cb06a7","agenda_item_id":null,"speaker_id":"spk_95179_city_staff","speaker_confidence":0.9,"start_sec":5186.89,"end_sec":5202.38,"text":"So, um, this property has been nuisance since 2020. Nothing has been done, and it's just posing more and more of a public health threat and now public safety threat. 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We we specifically walked through, showed them every violation, what it was, what needs fixed, how they can fix it. And here we are 2 years later, 3 years later, it's still not fixed.","topics_json":"[\"housing\",\"public_safety\"]","vector_id":"vec_seg_95179_412","created_at":"2026-10-31T06:54:30Z","speaker_name":null},{"id":"seg_95179_413","meeting_id":"95179","media_asset_id":"med_95179_f3a207d411cb06a7","agenda_item_id":null,"speaker_id":"off_gerald_l_rocha_sr","speaker_confidence":0.95,"start_sec":5278.26,"end_sec":5280.33,"text":"Thank you. Thank you. I appreciate it. Uh, I yield.","topics_json":"[]","vector_id":"vec_seg_95179_413","created_at":"2026-10-31T06:54:30Z","speaker_name":"Gerald L. Rocha, Sr."},{"id":"seg_95179_414","meeting_id":"95179","media_asset_id":"med_95179_f3a207d411cb06a7","agenda_item_id":null,"speaker_id":"off_fred_a_neil","speaker_confidence":0.95,"start_sec":5280.62,"end_sec":5301.05,"text":"Any other members of Council? Seeing none, I declare the public hearing open. If there's anyone in the audience or on web to say why this uh building should not be uh demolished? Seeing none, all those who who favor uh having this building demolished? Seeing none, none online, then I call this uh hearing closed and will accept a motion from council.","topics_json":"[\"housing\"]","vector_id":"vec_seg_95179_414","created_at":"2026-10-31T06:54:30Z","speaker_name":"Fred A. Neil"},{"id":"seg_95179_415","meeting_id":"95179","media_asset_id":"med_95179_f3a207d411cb06a7","agenda_item_id":null,"speaker_id":"off_gerald_l_rocha_sr","speaker_confidence":0.9,"start_sec":5301.57,"end_sec":5308.35,"text":"Move just to accept staff recommendation uh to dem- to repair or demolish this property at 4--","topics_json":"[\"housing\"]","vector_id":"vec_seg_95179_415","created_at":"2026-10-31T06:54:30Z","speaker_name":"Gerald L. Rocha, Sr."},{"id":"seg_95179_416","meeting_id":"95179","media_asset_id":"med_95179_f3a207d411cb06a7","agenda_item_id":null,"speaker_id":"off_fred_a_neil","speaker_confidence":0.95,"start_sec":5308.34,"end_sec":5310.11,"text":"15 West Division Street.","topics_json":"[]","vector_id":"vec_seg_95179_416","created_at":"2026-10-31T06:54:30Z","speaker_name":"Fred A. Neil"},{"id":"seg_95179_417","meeting_id":"95179","media_asset_id":"med_95179_f3a207d411cb06a7","agenda_item_id":null,"speaker_id":"off_brian_e_lewis","speaker_confidence":0.95,"start_sec":5310.11,"end_sec":5311.21,"text":"Second by Lewis.","topics_json":"[]","vector_id":"vec_seg_95179_417","created_at":"2026-10-31T06:54:30Z","speaker_name":"Brian E. Lewis"},{"id":"seg_95179_418","meeting_id":"95179","media_asset_id":"med_95179_f3a207d411cb06a7","agenda_item_id":null,"speaker_id":"off_fred_a_neil","speaker_confidence":0.95,"start_sec":5311.21,"end_sec":5319.32,"text":"Second by Lewis. Okay, we have a motion on the floor. All those in favor please call the roll.","topics_json":"[]","vector_id":"vec_seg_95179_418","created_at":"2026-10-31T06:54:30Z","speaker_name":"Fred A. Neil"},{"id":"seg_95179_419","meeting_id":"95179","media_asset_id":"med_95179_f3a207d411cb06a7","agenda_item_id":null,"speaker_id":"spk_95179_city_clerk","speaker_confidence":0.95,"start_sec":5319.32,"end_sec":5319.87,"text":"Okay.","topics_json":"[]","vector_id":"vec_seg_95179_419","created_at":"2026-10-31T06:54:30Z","speaker_name":null},{"id":"seg_95179_42","meeting_id":"95179","media_asset_id":"med_95179_f3a207d411cb06a7","agenda_item_id":null,"speaker_id":"spk_95179_property_owner","speaker_confidence":1,"start_sec":607.02,"end_sec":652.23,"text":"Now, uh, as he showed paintball, window bursts, uh, siding with holes in it, he showed you where homeless people had uh their property on the side, he showed you where homeless people had broken into the building and were using it for their own purpose. Now, calls are made to the city police department concerning those things. Now, nothing has been done about it.","topics_json":"[\"homelessness\",\"public_safety\",\"housing\"]","vector_id":"vec_seg_95179_42","created_at":"2026-10-31T06:54:29Z","speaker_name":null},{"id":"seg_95179_420","meeting_id":"95179","media_asset_id":"med_95179_f3a207d411cb06a7","agenda_item_id":null,"speaker_id":"off_fred_a_neil","speaker_confidence":0.9,"start_sec":5319.87,"end_sec":5321.9,"text":"I'm working it out.","topics_json":"[]","vector_id":"vec_seg_95179_420","created_at":"2026-10-31T06:54:30Z","speaker_name":"Fred A. 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Rocha, Sr."},{"id":"seg_95179_429","meeting_id":"95179","media_asset_id":"med_95179_f3a207d411cb06a7","agenda_item_id":null,"speaker_id":"spk_95179_city_clerk","speaker_confidence":0.95,"start_sec":5330.42,"end_sec":5331.64,"text":"Mr. Lewis?","topics_json":"[]","vector_id":"vec_seg_95179_429","created_at":"2026-10-31T06:54:30Z","speaker_name":null},{"id":"seg_95179_43","meeting_id":"95179","media_asset_id":"med_95179_f3a207d411cb06a7","agenda_item_id":null,"speaker_id":"spk_95179_property_owner","speaker_confidence":1,"start_sec":652.23,"end_sec":668.25,"text":"Now, uh, when you talk about the building itself being unsafe, people were shooting in the building while people were living in it. The building wasn't shooting, but the drug activity in front of the building made it unsafe for the tenants to be in it. When there was no fence, people were moving from Governor to New, walking across the property.","topics_json":"[\"public_safety\",\"housing\"]","vector_id":"vec_seg_95179_43","created_at":"2026-10-31T06:54:29Z","speaker_name":null},{"id":"seg_95179_430","meeting_id":"95179","media_asset_id":"med_95179_f3a207d411cb06a7","agenda_item_id":null,"speaker_id":"off_brian_e_lewis","speaker_confidence":0.95,"start_sec":5331.64,"end_sec":5332.64,"text":"Yes.","topics_json":"[]","vector_id":"vec_seg_95179_430","created_at":"2026-10-31T06:54:30Z","speaker_name":"Brian E. 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You went in the building, you took picture of what was going on in the building, but you didn't do take any kind of steps to make sure that the building itself wasn't wasn't being trespassed.","topics_json":"[\"homelessness\",\"housing\",\"public_safety\"]","vector_id":"vec_seg_95179_46","created_at":"2026-10-31T06:54:29Z","speaker_name":null},{"id":"seg_95179_47","meeting_id":"95179","media_asset_id":"med_95179_f3a207d411cb06a7","agenda_item_id":null,"speaker_id":"spk_95179_property_owner","speaker_confidence":1,"start_sec":777.67,"end_sec":786.43,"text":"So, uh, and in June, when when we had the electrical problem, yes, the family that was there wasn't the best family to to live in the building. 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Uh right on the back of the property they had put up their own little homeless city.","topics_json":"[\"homelessness\",\"housing\"]","vector_id":"vec_seg_95179_48","created_at":"2026-10-31T06:54:29Z","speaker_name":null},{"id":"seg_95179_49","meeting_id":"95179","media_asset_id":"med_95179_f3a207d411cb06a7","agenda_item_id":null,"speaker_id":"spk_95179_public_commenter","speaker_confidence":0.95,"start_sec":794.42,"end_sec":813.62,"text":"So now if if what what I'm saying is that you can be so uh forceful with tearing the whole house down, but not remove some tents that is also in violation and it's and also danger for the property itself.","topics_json":"[\"homelessness\",\"housing\",\"public_safety\"]","vector_id":"vec_seg_95179_49","created_at":"2026-10-31T06:54:29Z","speaker_name":null},{"id":"seg_95179_5","meeting_id":"95179","media_asset_id":"med_95179_f3a207d411cb06a7","agenda_item_id":null,"speaker_id":"spk_95179_unknown_speaker","speaker_confidence":0.7,"start_sec":32.17,"end_sec":32.91,"text":"There we go.","topics_json":"[]","vector_id":"vec_seg_95179_5","created_at":"2026-10-31T06:54:28Z","speaker_name":null},{"id":"seg_95179_50","meeting_id":"95179","media_asset_id":"med_95179_f3a207d411cb06a7","agenda_item_id":null,"speaker_id":"spk_95179_public_commenter","speaker_confidence":0.95,"start_sec":813.62,"end_sec":837.92,"text":"Now, uh he he showed some picture of of all of the debris that was behind 29. That debris was not 29 debris. But I did pay a contractor $1,500 to clean it up because I had all intention of putting that fence up without a permit that that he were making mention of.","topics_json":"[\"housing\"]","vector_id":"vec_seg_95179_50","created_at":"2026-10-31T06:54:29Z","speaker_name":null},{"id":"seg_95179_51","meeting_id":"95179","media_asset_id":"med_95179_f3a207d411cb06a7","agenda_item_id":null,"speaker_id":"spk_95179_public_commenter","speaker_confidence":0.95,"start_sec":837.92,"end_sec":862.82,"text":"Now, uh on here for the articles, there is only one article on this page that that that actually fits the criteria for 29, and that's Article 6, 12, because the building has been unoccupied for more than, let's see, June, July, August, September, has been unoccupied for uh three months.","topics_json":"[\"housing\"]","vector_id":"vec_seg_95179_51","created_at":"2026-10-31T06:54:29Z","speaker_name":null},{"id":"seg_95179_52","meeting_id":"95179","media_asset_id":"med_95179_f3a207d411cb06a7","agenda_item_id":null,"speaker_id":"spk_95179_public_commenter","speaker_confidence":0.95,"start_sec":862.82,"end_sec":872.72,"text":"So all these other things that is on here has nothing to do with the uh the the danger of the building as far as the structure.","topics_json":"[\"housing\",\"public_safety\"]","vector_id":"vec_seg_95179_52","created_at":"2026-10-31T06:54:29Z","speaker_name":null},{"id":"seg_95179_53","meeting_id":"95179","media_asset_id":"med_95179_f3a207d411cb06a7","agenda_item_id":null,"speaker_id":"spk_95179_public_commenter","speaker_confidence":0.95,"start_sec":872.72,"end_sec":897.82,"text":"Now he showed the interior, uh the flooring that was on the interior. Prior to that there was carpet on it. But because the lady had dogs in the house, I strip all the carpet up off the house, and yes, the floor underneath the carpet was is not in the best condition. But since I had no intention of keeping the building, I had no intention of spending any more money on it.","topics_json":"[\"housing\"]","vector_id":"vec_seg_95179_53","created_at":"2026-10-31T06:54:29Z","speaker_name":null},{"id":"seg_95179_54","meeting_id":"95179","media_asset_id":"med_95179_f3a207d411cb06a7","agenda_item_id":null,"speaker_id":"spk_95179_public_commenter","speaker_confidence":0.95,"start_sec":897.82,"end_sec":926.12,"text":"And so as far as the building being dangerous uh to the public, the danger to the public uh is created by individuals that choose to camp out on the sidewalk, individuals that choose to camp out on the sidewalk in front of the building, and also crawl in front of not only 29, but also the houses that are on the opposite side of the street.","topics_json":"[\"homelessness\",\"housing\",\"public_safety\"]","vector_id":"vec_seg_95179_54","created_at":"2026-10-31T06:54:29Z","speaker_name":null},{"id":"seg_95179_55","meeting_id":"95179","media_asset_id":"med_95179_f3a207d411cb06a7","agenda_item_id":null,"speaker_id":"spk_95179_public_commenter","speaker_confidence":0.95,"start_sec":926.12,"end_sec":945.62,"text":"And so the paintball thing, we went to the police department in reference to that. They came out and they took pictures of it and uh and etcetera. Not only did was the paintball thing a problem for for me at 29, they just had freewill shooting paintballs on people house.","topics_json":"[\"housing\",\"public_safety\"]","vector_id":"vec_seg_95179_55","created_at":"2026-10-31T06:54:29Z","speaker_name":null},{"id":"seg_95179_56","meeting_id":"95179","media_asset_id":"med_95179_f3a207d411cb06a7","agenda_item_id":null,"speaker_id":"spk_95179_public_commenter","speaker_confidence":0.95,"start_sec":945.62,"end_sec":971.22,"text":"Now, uh what I what I did now it's not as much going on there now because I organized my own security team. And those individuals were were carrying their weapon because they're because they uh they are registered. So I organized my own security team in order to maintain uh some decency for the housing that we have on New Street.","topics_json":"[\"housing\",\"public_safety\"]","vector_id":"vec_seg_95179_56","created_at":"2026-10-31T06:54:29Z","speaker_name":null},{"id":"seg_95179_57","meeting_id":"95179","media_asset_id":"med_95179_f3a207d411cb06a7","agenda_item_id":null,"speaker_id":"spk_95179_public_commenter","speaker_confidence":0.95,"start_sec":971.22,"end_sec":983.02,"text":"Now he he he has uh a lot of the pictures that he can show, because when when uh he came when they when the code enforcement came down to do an inspection on the house, they did in-","topics_json":"[\"housing\"]","vector_id":"vec_seg_95179_57","created_at":"2026-10-31T06:54:29Z","speaker_name":null},{"id":"seg_95179_58","meeting_id":"95179","media_asset_id":"med_95179_f3a207d411cb06a7","agenda_item_id":null,"speaker_id":"spk_95179_property_owner","speaker_confidence":0.9,"start_sec":983.03,"end_sec":1005.83,"text":"inspection on the exterior. Now, when the one that they did in May, May of '25, what we did was, because I had not made a decision to sell the property, we corrected those. So if you have a picture of when the when the code was violated, you should also show pictures when it was corrected.","topics_json":"[\"housing\"]","vector_id":"vec_seg_95179_58","created_at":"2026-10-31T06:54:29Z","speaker_name":null},{"id":"seg_95179_59","meeting_id":"95179","media_asset_id":"med_95179_f3a207d411cb06a7","agenda_item_id":null,"speaker_id":"spk_95179_property_owner","speaker_confidence":0.9,"start_sec":1005.83,"end_sec":1027.23,"text":"See, so we corrected those pictures, you- corrected those offenses, like I said, because I was anticipating on keeping the property. But since we have decided that we no longer want to keep that property and another property, no, we have not done any uh improvement on it, because Neighborhood Good going to tear the property down.","topics_json":"[\"housing\"]","vector_id":"vec_seg_95179_59","created_at":"2026-10-31T06:54:29Z","speaker_name":null},{"id":"seg_95179_6","meeting_id":"95179","media_asset_id":"med_95179_f3a207d411cb06a7","agenda_item_id":null,"speaker_id":"spk_95179_the_chief","speaker_confidence":0.95,"start_sec":32.91,"end_sec":35.4,"text":"Yep. Perfect. All right, you can go to the next slide.","topics_json":"[]","vector_id":"vec_seg_95179_6","created_at":"2026-10-31T06:54:28Z","speaker_name":"the Chief"},{"id":"seg_95179_60","meeting_id":"95179","media_asset_id":"med_95179_f3a207d411cb06a7","agenda_item_id":null,"speaker_id":"spk_95179_property_owner","speaker_confidence":0.9,"start_sec":1027.53,"end_sec":1051.33,"text":"When we sold the property to them, their inspector came out, their uh individual that works along with them came out, and a decision was made that the property is going to be torn down, and they are going to build more efficient homes on that on that property, as they are doing up and down New Street.","topics_json":"[\"housing\"]","vector_id":"vec_seg_95179_60","created_at":"2026-10-31T06:54:29Z","speaker_name":null},{"id":"seg_95179_61","meeting_id":"95179","media_asset_id":"med_95179_f3a207d411cb06a7","agenda_item_id":null,"speaker_id":"spk_95179_property_owner","speaker_confidence":0.9,"start_sec":1051.73,"end_sec":1088.13,"text":"And so, uh I'm not here to try and save the property. But what I am here, uh my concern is, I think, and I feel, unfair uh treatment concerning- So if it's if if I feel that an unfair treatment for what for for property of mine, I'm sure that there's unfair treatment at other properties also.","topics_json":"[\"housing\"]","vector_id":"vec_seg_95179_61","created_at":"2026-10-31T06:54:29Z","speaker_name":null},{"id":"seg_95179_62","meeting_id":"95179","media_asset_id":"med_95179_f3a207d411cb06a7","agenda_item_id":null,"speaker_id":"spk_95179_property_owner","speaker_confidence":0.9,"start_sec":1088.73,"end_sec":1113.33,"text":"Now, uh he made emphasis about the fence, the way it was around the tree. Why would I pay uh 15 to $1,800 to have a tree removed when I'm no longer going to own the property? The fence was put there to keep people from having free access to the property. That's primarily the reason the fence was put there,","topics_json":"[\"housing\",\"public_safety\"]","vector_id":"vec_seg_95179_62","created_at":"2026-10-31T06:54:29Z","speaker_name":null},{"id":"seg_95179_63","meeting_id":"95179","media_asset_id":"med_95179_f3a207d411cb06a7","agenda_item_id":null,"speaker_id":"spk_95179_property_owner","speaker_confidence":0.9,"start_sec":1113.53,"end_sec":1133.33,"text":"and to stop people from walking across from Governor through the property to New Street. And so we constructed the fence in a way whereas we could alleviate some of the traffic that was coming from Governor across to New Street.","topics_json":"[\"housing\",\"public_safety\"]","vector_id":"vec_seg_95179_63","created_at":"2026-10-31T06:54:29Z","speaker_name":null},{"id":"seg_95179_64","meeting_id":"95179","media_asset_id":"med_95179_f3a207d411cb06a7","agenda_item_id":null,"speaker_id":"spk_95179_property_owner","speaker_confidence":0.9,"start_sec":1133.43,"end_sec":1153.13,"text":"And so, uh if a fence put up without a permit is an ascent- is to for him to uh deem the property as being unsafe or unfit, you know, it has nothing to do with the structure of the house in the first place.","topics_json":"[\"housing\"]","vector_id":"vec_seg_95179_64","created_at":"2026-10-31T06:54:29Z","speaker_name":null},{"id":"seg_95179_65","meeting_id":"95179","media_asset_id":"med_95179_f3a207d411cb06a7","agenda_item_id":null,"speaker_id":"spk_95179_property_owner","speaker_confidence":0.9,"start_sec":1153.83,"end_sec":1179.63,"text":"And so they did complain about the way the f- the fence was attached to to the house. Well, I I I explained to them it was intentionally done because if there was that much space in between a pole and the house, they were simply going to go through it. So the whole idea of construction of the fence was to alleviate trespassing. Now, uh you say, why would it have to be done? Cuz police had been notified about trespassing. And so what we did at that time to buy time was to do what we have done. Now now uh I mean, like, you want to tear the property down, you tear the property down, but I'm not paying $0.01 towards uh demolition. See, I'll sue the city before I do that. Now, I showed him the agreement that had been made between","topics_json":"[\"housing\",\"public_safety\"]","vector_id":"vec_seg_95179_65","created_at":"2026-10-31T06:54:29Z","speaker_name":null},{"id":"seg_95179_66","meeting_id":"95179","media_asset_id":"med_95179_f3a207d411cb06a7","agenda_item_id":null,"speaker_id":"spk_95179_public_commenter","speaker_confidence":0.9,"start_sec":1179.63,"end_sec":1195.17,"text":"House of Pride and NCALL. And and and the agreement is they are buying the property. They have already informed me, I'm sure they've informed the City as well, they have no intention of refurbishing the property, restoring the property.","topics_json":"[\"housing\",\"zoning\"]","vector_id":"vec_seg_95179_66","created_at":"2026-10-31T06:54:29Z","speaker_name":null},{"id":"seg_95179_67","meeting_id":"95179","media_asset_id":"med_95179_f3a207d411cb06a7","agenda_item_id":null,"speaker_id":"spk_95179_public_commenter","speaker_confidence":0.9,"start_sec":1195.17,"end_sec":1205.87,"text":"They are only going to tear the property down as they have done with other property that we have sold to them and build new houses on New Street.","topics_json":"[\"housing\",\"zoning\"]","vector_id":"vec_seg_95179_67","created_at":"2026-10-31T06:54:29Z","speaker_name":null},{"id":"seg_95179_68","meeting_id":"95179","media_asset_id":"med_95179_f3a207d411cb06a7","agenda_item_id":null,"speaker_id":"spk_95179_public_commenter","speaker_confidence":0.9,"start_sec":1205.87,"end_sec":1219.09,"text":"Now, this is the problem that I'm having because I'm seeing the same behavior being exhibit uh there interfering with other houses. Now, I do I do housing and I and and and I do housing for men. I have 10 men.","topics_json":"[\"housing\",\"public_safety\"]","vector_id":"vec_seg_95179_68","created_at":"2026-10-31T06:54:29Z","speaker_name":null},{"id":"seg_95179_69","meeting_id":"95179","media_asset_id":"med_95179_f3a207d411cb06a7","agenda_item_id":null,"speaker_id":"spk_95179_public_commenter","speaker_confidence":0.9,"start_sec":1219.09,"end_sec":1233.27,"text":"Those men were homeless. Those and and one of the guys uh in the house is handicapped. And when when when uh there is","topics_json":"[\"housing\",\"homelessness\"]","vector_id":"vec_seg_95179_69","created_at":"2026-10-31T06:54:29Z","speaker_name":null},{"id":"seg_95179_7","meeting_id":"95179","media_asset_id":"med_95179_f3a207d411cb06a7","agenda_item_id":null,"speaker_id":"spk_95179_the_chief","speaker_confidence":0.95,"start_sec":35.4,"end_sec":86.2,"text":"So for 29 South New Street, it was originally condemned June 11th, 2024, as unfit for human occupancy. Letter of intent was sent September 3rd of this year. Notice of public hearing was sent and posted October 24th of this year. No active utilities since June 11th, 2024. There are no active permits on file, and no repairs have been made to the structure since the condemnation. Um, there's an active building case since May 6th of 2024. The property has remained unresolved violations since 2023. Uh, so there was ongoing cases on here. It just resulted in a condemnation on June 11th of 2024, but the uh violations have been on- ongoing. Next slide.","topics_json":"[\"housing\",\"public_safety\"]","vector_id":"vec_seg_95179_7","created_at":"2026-10-31T06:54:28Z","speaker_name":"the Chief"},{"id":"seg_95179_70","meeting_id":"95179","media_asset_id":"med_95179_f3a207d411cb06a7","agenda_item_id":null,"speaker_id":"spk_95179_public_commenter","speaker_confidence":0.9,"start_sec":1233.27,"end_sec":1249.07,"text":"unattended-to behavior on the street that interfere with the property that we have or where men are are living, that is not a part of what goes on on the outside of the house.","topics_json":"[\"housing\",\"public_safety\"]","vector_id":"vec_seg_95179_70","created_at":"2026-10-31T06:54:29Z","speaker_name":null},{"id":"seg_95179_71","meeting_id":"95179","media_asset_id":"med_95179_f3a207d411cb06a7","agenda_item_id":null,"speaker_id":"spk_95179_public_commenter","speaker_confidence":0.9,"start_sec":1249.07,"end_sec":1262.73,"text":"Now, it doesn't take a rocket science to see that. They have made a path from the corner of New Street around the back of one of the property that that I have. Now, why would a path be there? They put their drugs on the property,","topics_json":"[\"public_safety\"]","vector_id":"vec_seg_95179_71","created_at":"2026-10-31T06:54:29Z","speaker_name":null},{"id":"seg_95179_72","meeting_id":"95179","media_asset_id":"med_95179_f3a207d411cb06a7","agenda_item_id":null,"speaker_id":"spk_95179_public_commenter","speaker_confidence":0.9,"start_sec":1262.73,"end_sec":1274.27,"text":"and uh and when someone come up to buy, they go on they go they trespass to get it and to sell it. See? And so when you say that the house is a nuisance, this nuisance is on the outside of the house,","topics_json":"[\"public_safety\"]","vector_id":"vec_seg_95179_72","created_at":"2026-10-31T06:54:29Z","speaker_name":null},{"id":"seg_95179_73","meeting_id":"95179","media_asset_id":"med_95179_f3a207d411cb06a7","agenda_item_id":null,"speaker_id":"spk_95179_public_commenter","speaker_confidence":0.9,"start_sec":1274.27,"end_sec":1286.63,"text":"even though I have no intention of saving it and anyway. Uh and so so that's the primary thing. I mean, you yeah, you present a good narrative of a situation, but without reality to it.","topics_json":"[\"housing\",\"zoning\"]","vector_id":"vec_seg_95179_73","created_at":"2026-10-31T06:54:29Z","speaker_name":null},{"id":"seg_95179_74","meeting_id":"95179","media_asset_id":"med_95179_f3a207d411cb06a7","agenda_item_id":null,"speaker_id":"spk_95179_public_commenter","speaker_confidence":0.9,"start_sec":1286.63,"end_sec":1297.11,"text":"You can make a situation seem whatever way you want it to seem, but the reality of it is you need to come on site to see. And to and to have all the details as to why you project a picture on a screen","topics_json":"[\"housing\",\"zoning\"]","vector_id":"vec_seg_95179_74","created_at":"2026-10-31T06:54:29Z","speaker_name":null},{"id":"seg_95179_75","meeting_id":"95179","media_asset_id":"med_95179_f3a207d411cb06a7","agenda_item_id":null,"speaker_id":"spk_95179_public_commenter","speaker_confidence":0.9,"start_sec":1297.11,"end_sec":1309.97,"text":"and and, you know, and and and and and give your narrative of it when it has nothing to do actually with the uh the uh safety of the house. So what I'm saying to this special council uh meeting here tonight,","topics_json":"[\"housing\",\"public_safety\"]","vector_id":"vec_seg_95179_75","created_at":"2026-10-31T06:54:29Z","speaker_name":null},{"id":"seg_95179_76","meeting_id":"95179","media_asset_id":"med_95179_f3a207d411cb06a7","agenda_item_id":null,"speaker_id":"spk_95179_public_commenter","speaker_confidence":0.9,"start_sec":1309.97,"end_sec":1323.13,"text":"I don't care if you want to tear the house down, but I do care if I get the money that I've that I'm selling the house for. And uh you can put any kind of of a deadline on when the house has to be torn down.","topics_json":"[\"housing\",\"zoning\"]","vector_id":"vec_seg_95179_76","created_at":"2026-10-31T06:54:29Z","speaker_name":null},{"id":"seg_95179_77","meeting_id":"95179","media_asset_id":"med_95179_f3a207d411cb06a7","agenda_item_id":null,"speaker_id":"spk_95179_public_commenter","speaker_confidence":0.9,"start_sec":1323.13,"end_sec":1338.03,"text":"Well, I don't see where it makes sense for you to decide tonight that a house need to be torn down by the 22nd when the when the uh the new when the new owners get it, when they're going to tear the house down anyway. See? And so uh","topics_json":"[\"housing\",\"zoning\"]","vector_id":"vec_seg_95179_77","created_at":"2026-10-31T06:54:29Z","speaker_name":null},{"id":"seg_95179_78","meeting_id":"95179","media_asset_id":"med_95179_f3a207d411cb06a7","agenda_item_id":null,"speaker_id":"spk_95179_public_commenter","speaker_confidence":0.9,"start_sec":1338.03,"end_sec":1352.23,"text":"that's pretty much what I what my my uh my voice is on it. I I do want to uh I have a concern. I have a major concern, see, about uh the attitude of the code enforcer when you explain to them exactly what is going on.","topics_json":"[\"housing\",\"zoning\"]","vector_id":"vec_seg_95179_78","created_at":"2026-10-31T06:54:29Z","speaker_name":null},{"id":"seg_95179_79","meeting_id":"95179","media_asset_id":"med_95179_f3a207d411cb06a7","agenda_item_id":null,"speaker_id":"spk_95179_public_commenter","speaker_confidence":0.9,"start_sec":1352.23,"end_sec":1356.23,"text":"And uh so you're not going to make a decision to solve the problem,","topics_json":"[\"housing\",\"zoning\"]","vector_id":"vec_seg_95179_79","created_at":"2026-10-31T06:54:29Z","speaker_name":null},{"id":"seg_95179_8","meeting_id":"95179","media_asset_id":"med_95179_f3a207d411cb06a7","agenda_item_id":null,"speaker_id":"spk_95179_the_chief","speaker_confidence":0.95,"start_sec":86.32,"end_sec":130.1,"text":"Outstanding fees for this property is $52,000 in code enforcement fines and taxes um outstanding 511.14. Um, I did speak with the owner just previous to this meeting. He said the property is under contract for sale uh with a nonprofit organization, but just to remind you, uh that does not take away the dangerous building um concerns for the property. Regardless who the owner is, the property is still considered dangerous building in accordance with code. Next slide.","topics_json":"[\"housing\",\"taxes\",\"public_safety\"]","vector_id":"vec_seg_95179_8","created_at":"2026-10-31T06:54:28Z","speaker_name":"the Chief"},{"id":"seg_95179_80","meeting_id":"95179","media_asset_id":"med_95179_f3a207d411cb06a7","agenda_item_id":null,"speaker_id":"spk_95179_public_commenter","speaker_confidence":0.9,"start_sec":1376.24,"end_sec":1390.14,"text":"uh to help with the problem, then uh I don't think that you should be uh given that opportunity to to make a final decision or conclusion about it. So I'm glad that I I am here tonight. Now,","topics_json":"[\"housing\",\"public_safety\"]","vector_id":"vec_seg_95179_80","created_at":"2026-10-31T06:54:29Z","speaker_name":null},{"id":"seg_95179_81","meeting_id":"95179","media_asset_id":"med_95179_f3a207d411cb06a7","agenda_item_id":null,"speaker_id":"spk_95179_public_commenter","speaker_confidence":0.9,"start_sec":1391.24,"end_sec":1420.34,"text":"I pay taxes. We're a nonprofit organization, but we still pay the city taxes. At one time the organization was exempted from paying city tax, but I intentionally pay the city taxes because I want the city protection. Now, uh so I'm entitled to everything that the that the city is supposed to do for a citizen. And when I'm not receiving that, I'm disturbed by that.","topics_json":"[\"taxes\",\"public_safety\",\"housing\"]","vector_id":"vec_seg_95179_81","created_at":"2026-10-31T06:54:29Z","speaker_name":null},{"id":"seg_95179_82","meeting_id":"95179","media_asset_id":"med_95179_f3a207d411cb06a7","agenda_item_id":null,"speaker_id":"spk_95179_public_commenter","speaker_confidence":0.9,"start_sec":1420.64,"end_sec":1444.84,"text":"Because there should not have been any time that anybody would have would have had the liberty to shoot glasses, shoot the windows out of a house, uh shoot holes in the siding of a house because they wanted to have fun with a paint gun. But they did it. And then there are other houses that they did the same thing to.","topics_json":"[\"public_safety\",\"housing\"]","vector_id":"vec_seg_95179_82","created_at":"2026-10-31T06:54:29Z","speaker_name":null},{"id":"seg_95179_83","meeting_id":"95179","media_asset_id":"med_95179_f3a207d411cb06a7","agenda_item_id":null,"speaker_id":"spk_95179_public_commenter","speaker_confidence":0.9,"start_sec":1445.04,"end_sec":1458.44,"text":"And so, uh and there again, when we reported it, nothing were done. Were done concerning it. But at the same time he can come tonight and complain about the condition of the house. See,","topics_json":"[\"housing\",\"public_safety\"]","vector_id":"vec_seg_95179_83","created_at":"2026-10-31T06:54:29Z","speaker_name":null},{"id":"seg_95179_84","meeting_id":"95179","media_asset_id":"med_95179_f3a207d411cb06a7","agenda_item_id":null,"speaker_id":"spk_95179_public_commenter","speaker_confidence":0.9,"start_sec":1458.44,"end_sec":1483.14,"text":"and so, um I mean, like if if you have some other ulterior motive as to why you want to tear the house down and I understood that you say you'll tear the house down, then the owner will be responsible for the for the demolishing of the house and whatever else come along with it. Well, what I'm saying to you tonight, before I would have even allowed that, I would sue the city.","topics_json":"[\"housing\",\"zoning\"]","vector_id":"vec_seg_95179_84","created_at":"2026-10-31T06:54:29Z","speaker_name":null},{"id":"seg_95179_85","meeting_id":"95179","media_asset_id":"med_95179_f3a207d411cb06a7","agenda_item_id":null,"speaker_id":"spk_95179_public_commenter","speaker_confidence":0.9,"start_sec":1483.14,"end_sec":1511.44,"text":"Because there's He did an exterior inspection. He did not do an interior inspection to come to these conclusions. Only after there was no one in the house, the house being abandoned, homeless people have taken up residence in the house. And so the, a lot of the destruction that he's making mention of wasn't done by the tenant that was in the house. Were done by the the homeless people after the house was vacant. See,","topics_json":"[\"housing\",\"homelessness\"]","vector_id":"vec_seg_95179_85","created_at":"2026-10-31T06:54:29Z","speaker_name":null},{"id":"seg_95179_86","meeting_id":"95179","media_asset_id":"med_95179_f3a207d411cb06a7","agenda_item_id":null,"speaker_id":"spk_95179_public_commenter","speaker_confidence":0.9,"start_sec":1511.44,"end_sec":1547.04,"text":"and and uh the other thing I want to say uh is that the city fined us. We paid the fine. I should not have been fined $500 or whatever the amount of money was because of not attending to what the uh the code violation. See, so that was money that we that we took out of the organization to pay because of some other things that were going on that we shouldn't never been fined for in the first place. And so, uh","topics_json":"[\"housing\",\"budget\"]","vector_id":"vec_seg_95179_86","created_at":"2026-10-31T06:54:29Z","speaker_name":null},{"id":"seg_95179_87","meeting_id":"95179","media_asset_id":"med_95179_f3a207d411cb06a7","agenda_item_id":null,"speaker_id":"spk_95179_public_commenter","speaker_confidence":0.9,"start_sec":1548.24,"end_sec":1572.84,"text":"I'm not I'm not a landlord. I'm a uh I'm a uh director of a uh a abuse of a substance abuse program that that that provides space for men who is in transition. Uh we're a nonprofit organization. I don't get paid. None of the people that work with me get paid. We simply do the service for people.","topics_json":"[\"housing\",\"homelessness\"]","vector_id":"vec_seg_95179_87","created_at":"2026-10-31T06:54:29Z","speaker_name":null},{"id":"seg_95179_88","meeting_id":"95179","media_asset_id":"med_95179_f3a207d411cb06a7","agenda_item_id":null,"speaker_id":"spk_95179_property_owner","speaker_confidence":0.9,"start_sec":1572.84,"end_sec":1589.36,"text":"And in doing a service for the people, we are doing a service for the city, because the 10 mens that are in those houses were 10 homeless men. And so we we take them in, we provide a place for them in a in a in a uh uh single-family dwelling setting, and we help them to find employment to move on. And so I don't I don't I don't feel that I need to be penalized for helping.","topics_json":"[\"homelessness\",\"housing\"]","vector_id":"vec_seg_95179_88","created_at":"2026-10-31T06:54:29Z","speaker_name":null},{"id":"seg_95179_89","meeting_id":"95179","media_asset_id":"med_95179_f3a207d411cb06a7","agenda_item_id":null,"speaker_id":"off_fred_a_neil","speaker_confidence":0.95,"start_sec":1589.76,"end_sec":1591.98,"text":"Um thank you very much for coming, number one. Number two,","topics_json":"[]","vector_id":"vec_seg_95179_89","created_at":"2026-10-31T06:54:29Z","speaker_name":"Fred A. Neil"},{"id":"seg_95179_9","meeting_id":"95179","media_asset_id":"med_95179_f3a207d411cb06a7","agenda_item_id":null,"speaker_id":"spk_95179_the_chief","speaker_confidence":0.95,"start_sec":130.29,"end_sec":145.32,"text":"Um, under article uh our Dangerous Building article section 22-371, it meets the definitions um of unfit for habitation, light, air, and sanitation, emergency escapes, general welfare, code violations, unoccupied buildings, and incomplete buildings. So these are all definitions in accordance with our current code um that establishes what is a dangerous building. Next slide.","topics_json":"[\"housing\",\"public_safety\"]","vector_id":"vec_seg_95179_9","created_at":"2026-10-31T06:54:28Z","speaker_name":"the Chief"},{"id":"seg_95179_90","meeting_id":"95179","media_asset_id":"med_95179_f3a207d411cb06a7","agenda_item_id":null,"speaker_id":"off_fred_a_neil","speaker_confidence":0.95,"start_sec":1592.53,"end_sec":1597.37,"text":"Councilman Rocha and I serve on an appeals panel. I wish, when you had been cited, that you would've come before us.","topics_json":"[]","vector_id":"vec_seg_95179_90","created_at":"2026-10-31T06:54:29Z","speaker_name":"Fred A. Neil"},{"id":"seg_95179_91","meeting_id":"95179","media_asset_id":"med_95179_f3a207d411cb06a7","agenda_item_id":null,"speaker_id":"off_fred_a_neil","speaker_confidence":0.95,"start_sec":1597.83,"end_sec":1605.81,"text":"I thank you for what you're doing. We know what the problems are. Sometimes our hands are literally uh handcuffed to not be able to do what we would like very much to do.","topics_json":"[]","vector_id":"vec_seg_95179_91","created_at":"2026-10-31T06:54:29Z","speaker_name":"Fred A. Neil"},{"id":"seg_95179_92","meeting_id":"95179","media_asset_id":"med_95179_f3a207d411cb06a7","agenda_item_id":null,"speaker_id":"off_fred_a_neil","speaker_confidence":0.95,"start_sec":1606.06,"end_sec":1637.54,"text":"But thank you for what you do. We appreciate it. Should something come up with one of your other properties, and you get a uh notification, please, please appeal. Thank you. Thank you.","topics_json":"[]","vector_id":"vec_seg_95179_92","created_at":"2026-10-31T06:54:29Z","speaker_name":"Fred A. Neil"},{"id":"seg_95179_93","meeting_id":"95179","media_asset_id":"med_95179_f3a207d411cb06a7","agenda_item_id":null,"speaker_id":"off_fred_a_neil","speaker_confidence":0.95,"start_sec":1638.69,"end_sec":1643.57,"text":"Mr. Scott, is any is there anyone else who is in a favor to hold or oppose?","topics_json":"[]","vector_id":"vec_seg_95179_93","created_at":"2026-10-31T06:54:29Z","speaker_name":"Fred A. Neil"},{"id":"seg_95179_94","meeting_id":"95179","media_asset_id":"med_95179_f3a207d411cb06a7","agenda_item_id":null,"speaker_id":"off_julia_m_pillsbury","speaker_confidence":0.95,"start_sec":1643.57,"end_sec":1644.13,"text":"Dr. Pillsbury has her hand up.","topics_json":"[]","vector_id":"vec_seg_95179_94","created_at":"2026-10-31T06:54:29Z","speaker_name":"Julia M. Pillsbury"},{"id":"seg_95179_95","meeting_id":"95179","media_asset_id":"med_95179_f3a207d411cb06a7","agenda_item_id":null,"speaker_id":"off_fred_a_neil","speaker_confidence":0.95,"start_sec":1644.13,"end_sec":1644.98,"text":"Dr. Pillsbury? Yes.","topics_json":"[]","vector_id":"vec_seg_95179_95","created_at":"2026-10-31T06:54:29Z","speaker_name":"Fred A. Neil"},{"id":"seg_95179_96","meeting_id":"95179","media_asset_id":"med_95179_f3a207d411cb06a7","agenda_item_id":null,"speaker_id":"off_julia_m_pillsbury","speaker_confidence":0.95,"start_sec":1645.4,"end_sec":1650.24,"text":"This is for the gentleman. Um do you have a signed bill of sale with um Neighborhood-","topics_json":"[\"housing\",\"business\"]","vector_id":"vec_seg_95179_96","created_at":"2026-10-31T06:54:29Z","speaker_name":"Julia M. Pillsbury"},{"id":"seg_95179_97","meeting_id":"95179","media_asset_id":"med_95179_f3a207d411cb06a7","agenda_item_id":null,"speaker_id":"spk_95179_property_owner","speaker_confidence":0.9,"start_sec":1650.54,"end_sec":1659.09,"text":"Uh Neighborhood is in the process of of moving it through the closing uh with the attorney's office here in in Dover. The problem that we are having right now here, other than that the property would've been sold, um","topics_json":"[\"housing\",\"business\"]","vector_id":"vec_seg_95179_97","created_at":"2026-10-31T06:54:29Z","speaker_name":null},{"id":"seg_95179_98","meeting_id":"95179","media_asset_id":"med_95179_f3a207d411cb06a7","agenda_item_id":null,"speaker_id":"spk_95179_property_owner","speaker_confidence":0.9,"start_sec":1659.25,"end_sec":1699.96,"text":"Bank of America had a lien put on it back in 1999, and they did not release it, and there's no record of it. So we're in the process of getting the record. We had to do that with 55 and 57 as well. I don't know what happened with Bank of America, they they didn't give a release for the lien. But that's where we are now. We're in the process of communicating with individuals to get that done.","topics_json":"[\"housing\",\"business\"]","vector_id":"vec_seg_95179_98","created_at":"2026-10-31T06:54:29Z","speaker_name":null},{"id":"seg_95179_99","meeting_id":"95179","media_asset_id":"med_95179_f3a207d411cb06a7","agenda_item_id":null,"speaker_id":"off_julia_m_pillsbury","speaker_confidence":0.95,"start_sec":1700.28,"end_sec":1701.86,"text":"And when do you anticipate that being completed?","topics_json":"[\"business\"]","vector_id":"vec_seg_95179_99","created_at":"2026-10-31T06:54:29Z","speaker_name":"Julia M. Pillsbury"},{"id":"seg_95288_1","meeting_id":"95288","media_asset_id":"med_95288_1ae3bb74bf9d87ce","agenda_item_id":null,"speaker_id":"off_fred_a_neil","speaker_confidence":0.95,"start_sec":0,"end_sec":5.4,"text":"You have before you this evening's agenda. I will entertain a motion for its adoption.","topics_json":"[]","vector_id":"vec_seg_95288_1","created_at":"2026-10-31T06:47:32Z","speaker_name":"Fred A. 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Boggerty"},{"id":"seg_95288_101","meeting_id":"95288","media_asset_id":"med_95288_1ae3bb74bf9d87ce","agenda_item_id":null,"speaker_id":"off_fred_a_neil","speaker_confidence":1,"start_sec":688.46,"end_sec":690.66,"text":"It was seconded by Councilman Boggerty.","topics_json":"[]","vector_id":"vec_seg_95288_101","created_at":"2026-10-31T06:47:32Z","speaker_name":"Fred A. Neil"},{"id":"seg_95288_102","meeting_id":"95288","media_asset_id":"med_95288_1ae3bb74bf9d87ce","agenda_item_id":null,"speaker_id":"off_gerald_l_rocha_sr","speaker_confidence":1,"start_sec":690.66,"end_sec":691.56,"text":"Okay. Thank you.","topics_json":"[]","vector_id":"vec_seg_95288_102","created_at":"2026-10-31T06:47:32Z","speaker_name":"Gerald L. Rocha, Sr."},{"id":"seg_95288_103","meeting_id":"95288","media_asset_id":"med_95288_1ae3bb74bf9d87ce","agenda_item_id":null,"speaker_id":"off_andre_m_boggerty","speaker_confidence":1,"start_sec":691.56,"end_sec":693.26,"text":"I'll second it so we can yield to discussion.","topics_json":"[]","vector_id":"vec_seg_95288_103","created_at":"2026-10-31T06:47:32Z","speaker_name":"Andre M. Boggerty"},{"id":"seg_95288_104","meeting_id":"95288","media_asset_id":"med_95288_1ae3bb74bf9d87ce","agenda_item_id":null,"speaker_id":"off_fred_a_neil","speaker_confidence":1,"start_sec":693.46,"end_sec":694.16,"text":"Okay.","topics_json":"[]","vector_id":"vec_seg_95288_104","created_at":"2026-10-31T06:47:32Z","speaker_name":"Fred A. Neil"},{"id":"seg_95288_105","meeting_id":"95288","media_asset_id":"med_95288_1ae3bb74bf9d87ce","agenda_item_id":null,"speaker_id":"off_gerald_l_rocha_sr","speaker_confidence":1,"start_sec":694.16,"end_sec":696.06,"text":"Thank you for being amenable to interruption.","topics_json":"[]","vector_id":"vec_seg_95288_105","created_at":"2026-10-31T06:47:32Z","speaker_name":"Gerald L. Rocha, Sr."},{"id":"seg_95288_106","meeting_id":"95288","media_asset_id":"med_95288_1ae3bb74bf9d87ce","agenda_item_id":null,"speaker_id":"off_brian_e_lewis","speaker_confidence":1,"start_sec":696.56,"end_sec":698.66,"text":"As long as we're all clarified now. Um,","topics_json":"[]","vector_id":"vec_seg_95288_106","created_at":"2026-10-31T06:47:32Z","speaker_name":"Brian E. Lewis"},{"id":"seg_95288_107","meeting_id":"95288","media_asset_id":"med_95288_1ae3bb74bf9d87ce","agenda_item_id":null,"speaker_id":"off_brian_e_lewis","speaker_confidence":1,"start_sec":701.16,"end_sec":726.36,"text":"again, uh I reiterate, at the uh October 28th Committee of the Whole meeting, um Chief Johnson uh was uh asked several questions, and I have a copy of the minutes that I reviewed, and uh he had indicated uh that he may need to have a conversation with Judge Wilson to get his opinion on what would happen if a few local ordinance citations were challenged.","topics_json":"[\"public_safety\"]","vector_id":"vec_seg_95288_107","created_at":"2026-10-31T06:47:32Z","speaker_name":"Brian E. Lewis"},{"id":"seg_95288_108","meeting_id":"95288","media_asset_id":"med_95288_1ae3bb74bf9d87ce","agenda_item_id":null,"speaker_id":"off_brian_e_lewis","speaker_confidence":0.95,"start_sec":786.34,"end_sec":821.44,"text":"as they will require extra paperwork to get on the court docket, which would be Justices of the Peace Court number seven. Um, you also noted uh that he would like to see what the judges do to provide a better answer as to what strictly enforce means because it is a subjective message in signage. Um, Chief Johnson were you able to get an answer? Did you have a conversation with Judge Wilson as of this date?","topics_json":"[\"public_safety\"]","vector_id":"vec_seg_95288_108","created_at":"2026-10-31T06:47:32Z","speaker_name":"Brian E. Lewis"},{"id":"seg_95288_109","meeting_id":"95288","media_asset_id":"med_95288_1ae3bb74bf9d87ce","agenda_item_id":null,"speaker_id":"off_fred_a_neil","speaker_confidence":0.95,"start_sec":821.44,"end_sec":824.14,"text":"Yes. Chief?","topics_json":"[\"public_safety\"]","vector_id":"vec_seg_95288_109","created_at":"2026-10-31T06:47:32Z","speaker_name":"Fred A. Neil"},{"id":"seg_95288_11","meeting_id":"95288","media_asset_id":"med_95288_1ae3bb74bf9d87ce","agenda_item_id":null,"speaker_id":"off_donyale_m_hall","speaker_confidence":0.95,"start_sec":61.3,"end_sec":62,"text":"Yes.","topics_json":"[]","vector_id":"vec_seg_95288_11","created_at":"2026-10-31T06:47:32Z","speaker_name":"Donyale M. Hall"},{"id":"seg_95288_110","meeting_id":"95288","media_asset_id":"med_95288_1ae3bb74bf9d87ce","agenda_item_id":null,"speaker_id":"spk_95288_thomas_johnson","speaker_confidence":0.95,"start_sec":824.14,"end_sec":968.04,"text":"Yes, sir, I did. Um, going to say it was probably Wednesday or Thursday of last week. And, again, the uh judge cannot speak for the discretion of other judges as to what they would use as their deliberative factors in any particular uh hearing that would be held in response to a speeding citation. Um, there is nothing in the law that says even 26 in a 25 could not be, ultimately, uh a conviction at the JP Court uh level. Um, now, of course, timing devices and and other things that come into play depending on whether the person has an attorney, doesn't have an attorney, um citing uh there there's a lot of things that have that have driven why, uh to speak to Mr. Anderson's point, why most of the time police officers don't cite until it's 10 over, uh is because of all the reasonable doubt that can be found in timing devices and other factors that impact a judge trying to decide whether they're going to convict a motorist uh of speeding. There But, there is no there's nothing that bars an officer from writing this citation. But, every time it comes into court, there will be a unique set of circumstances with each individual case. They'll be heard by different judges, and they all have the discretion to take um both the um evidence that's offered and any mitigating factors in rendering a decision. Um, so I I really wish I could give you a a more crystal-clear um answer as to what might occur, but the judiciary has uh significant discretion in this area. And I'll I guess I'll revisit the comments that you review that you reviewed, sir, before this evening, which is I'm going to be able to give a much better answer as to what the actual impact uh of this change will be after I see how many times they get um challenged, how many times we go to court, and what the ultimate disposition is um at that hearing. Um, but right now, it's still a bit of a gray area because every case is unique, and each judge has the ability to exercise the discretion of their office.","topics_json":"[\"public_safety\"]","vector_id":"vec_seg_95288_110","created_at":"2026-10-31T06:47:32Z","speaker_name":"Thomas Johnson"},{"id":"seg_95288_111","meeting_id":"95288","media_asset_id":"med_95288_1ae3bb74bf9d87ce","agenda_item_id":null,"speaker_id":"off_brian_e_lewis","speaker_confidence":0.95,"start_sec":968.04,"end_sec":982.93,"text":"Uh thank you. I uh wish you had that answer tonight because uh to to further ask you, uh if this uh ordinance is in fact uh appealable, which is a a $10 ticket, uh how much is it going to cost","topics_json":"[\"public_safety\"]","vector_id":"vec_seg_95288_111","created_at":"2026-10-31T06:47:32Z","speaker_name":"Brian E. Lewis"},{"id":"seg_95288_112","meeting_id":"95288","media_asset_id":"med_95288_1ae3bb74bf9d87ce","agenda_item_id":null,"speaker_id":"off_brian_e_lewis","speaker_confidence":0.95,"start_sec":982.93,"end_sec":989.65,"text":"cost the the city in resources, police officer overtime and such, to appear in court for a $10 ticket?","topics_json":"[\"budget\",\"public_safety\"]","vector_id":"vec_seg_95288_112","created_at":"2026-10-31T06:47:32Z","speaker_name":"Brian E. Lewis"},{"id":"seg_95288_113","meeting_id":"95288","media_asset_id":"med_95288_1ae3bb74bf9d87ce","agenda_item_id":null,"speaker_id":"spk_95288_thomas_johnson","speaker_confidence":0.95,"start_sec":990.3,"end_sec":1127.31,"text":"To get the um section put on a JP docket, it has to be converted from a city ordinance violation into uh a state-level offense. That's not too hard to do, but if the person that wants to fight the ticket comes into headquarters, we have a standard process to do that with on-duty resources. Uh as it pertains to the case coming up on the docket, um we have what's known as the Police Prosecution Project, which is allows us to put a supervisor in court to um stand up all of the citations that are pending on that day on the docket. If some kind of a reasonable disposition can be worked out between the police department and the various motorists that are appearing in court for that day, um for lack of a better term, we we have a parade of plea bargains that occur, which saves the city money in having all of the officers that had written um tickets that day to be on the clock in court ready to testify. If we find ourselves at an impasse, um where an individual is is very much um interested in a hearing, if the officer happens to be on day work and on the clock, we typically call them in and we take care of it. If the officer doesn't have to uh doesn't happen to be working, then the case will get relisted on a future date, and then we will have that officer appear. And I would tell you that that's been our experience so far, that that's the vast minority of the cases. Most of the time, the motorist wants to um find disposition that day and and they work something out in front of the judge.","topics_json":"[\"budget\",\"public_safety\"]","vector_id":"vec_seg_95288_113","created_at":"2026-10-31T06:47:32Z","speaker_name":"Thomas Johnson"},{"id":"seg_95288_114","meeting_id":"95288","media_asset_id":"med_95288_1ae3bb74bf9d87ce","agenda_item_id":null,"speaker_id":"off_brian_e_lewis","speaker_confidence":0.95,"start_sec":1128.4,"end_sec":1128.4,"text":"Okay. My next question is, and this again is from the minutes from the uh October 20th Committee of the Whole meeting. Uh you had uh indicated in response to Mr. Garfinkel's question, it states Chief Johnson stated that in the real world he does not envision his officers giving a citation for 26 mph in a 25 mph zone. He explained that due to legal standards and case law, officers typically do not pursue speed enforcement for violations under 5 mph over the limit, as such cases rarely hold up in court. So, I guess my question is going to be very frank: so what good would this ordinance be if it will not be enforced by the police based on your statement?","topics_json":"[\"public_safety\"]","vector_id":"vec_seg_95288_114","created_at":"2026-10-31T06:47:32Z","speaker_name":"Brian E. Lewis"},{"id":"seg_95288_115","meeting_id":"95288","media_asset_id":"med_95288_1ae3bb74bf9d87ce","agenda_item_id":null,"speaker_id":"spk_95288_thomas_johnson","speaker_confidence":0.95,"start_sec":1121.21,"end_sec":1179.52,"text":"That is pretty much another revisit of the uh idea of discretion, sir. And if uh council's direction is that we um go down the road of somewhere between 1 and 5 mph over, and that we're going to um start making that point, uh as with any new ordinance or new rule, we will probably start off with a lot of warnings and trying to get the motorists to uh understand that there's new rules and and new uh benchmarks, uh because driving is a habit and it's a little unfair to suddenly","topics_json":"[\"public_safety\"]","vector_id":"vec_seg_95288_115","created_at":"2026-10-31T06:47:32Z","speaker_name":"Thomas Johnson"},{"id":"seg_95288_116","meeting_id":"95288","media_asset_id":"med_95288_1ae3bb74bf9d87ce","agenda_item_id":null,"speaker_id":"spk_95288_thomas_johnson","speaker_confidence":0.95,"start_sec":1179.52,"end_sec":1265.66,"text":"change the rules uh on a lot of folks without at least giving them a little bit of time to adapt. Um after that, we have record keeping. Um when we stop vehicles, there's an electronic record of that. So most reasonable police officers will see that if someone's been stopped and warned uh on a prior occasion, and particularly in the same zone, if it's a strictly enforced zone, um then that starts to change the dynamic where we might have to generate um a citation and and make the point through an enforcement action because the verbal warning was not effective. Um after that, after we see um, and as a, to just revisit my earlier point, when we have enough of these cases come into the court system, and we see what the posture of the judges are on these um particular offenses, to a certain degree, that actually kind of becomes, by default, training. Um that's um, like like I've cut, tried to say in other um situations before, we have statutory law, we have case law that comes out of the appellate courts, um but we also get case law or guidance that comes out of the local level. So if it turns out that the benefit of the doubt continues to go to the motorist with such low-level speeds, I can envision a future where my supervisory team is going to come to me and say, \"Chief, how many more citations are we going to write that have no chance of surviving uh a hearing because","topics_json":"[]","vector_id":"vec_seg_95288_116","created_at":"2026-10-31T06:47:32Z","speaker_name":"Thomas Johnson"},{"id":"seg_95288_117","meeting_id":"95288","media_asset_id":"med_95288_1ae3bb74bf9d87ce","agenda_item_id":null,"speaker_id":"spk_95288_thomas_johnson","speaker_confidence":0.95,"start_sec":1272.34,"end_sec":1322.38,"text":"the the mood of the judiciary is not to convict at a certain level?\" Uh and that's kind of why I keep returning to the idea that within a relatively reasonable amount of time, we'll have an idea of how the courts view this and and how much utility um this is going to have. Um and and I again, I wish I could answer you more definitively on this, but this is a subjective topic in in some uh uh as it's viewed by some that uh have to have business with this issue.","topics_json":"[]","vector_id":"vec_seg_95288_117","created_at":"2026-10-31T06:47:32Z","speaker_name":"Thomas Johnson"},{"id":"seg_95288_118","meeting_id":"95288","media_asset_id":"med_95288_1ae3bb74bf9d87ce","agenda_item_id":null,"speaker_id":"off_roy_sudler_jr","speaker_confidence":0.95,"start_sec":1322.45,"end_sec":1347.54,"text":"Well, if that's the case, uh from what you just stated, then this ordinance would be frivolous. You know, and and and again, uh let me move on, but let the record reflect that you did state, okay, that your officers typically do not pursue such cases, and they rarely hold up in court. Uh you and I, about six months ago, had conversation uh with regard to speeding. Uh this is going back when I kind of took the bull by the horns in my district and was able to uh ascertain some uh radar, uh let me get the right terminology, but the uh","topics_json":"[]","vector_id":"vec_seg_95288_118","created_at":"2026-10-31T06:47:32Z","speaker_name":"Roy Sudler, Jr."},{"id":"seg_95288_119","meeting_id":"95288","media_asset_id":"med_95288_1ae3bb74bf9d87ce","agenda_item_id":null,"speaker_id":"off_roy_sudler_jr","speaker_confidence":0.95,"start_sec":1351.02,"end_sec":1374.05,"text":"the digital radar signs, uh electronic speed monitor system, that's what they're referred to as under Title 21, um through a grant, through the assistance of Mr. Jason Lyon. Um but you had, I had conversation back then, and you had indicated to me because uh one of the concerns was that uh due to a staffing shortage, your officers uh are rarely going to be able to conduct speed traps and speed enforcement. Is that correct?","topics_json":"[]","vector_id":"vec_seg_95288_119","created_at":"2026-10-31T06:47:32Z","speaker_name":"Roy Sudler, Jr."},{"id":"seg_95288_12","meeting_id":"95288","media_asset_id":"med_95288_1ae3bb74bf9d87ce","agenda_item_id":null,"speaker_id":"spk_95288_city_clerk","speaker_confidence":0.95,"start_sec":62.1,"end_sec":63.3,"text":"Mr. Boggerty?","topics_json":"[]","vector_id":"vec_seg_95288_12","created_at":"2026-10-31T06:47:32Z","speaker_name":null},{"id":"seg_95288_120","meeting_id":"95288","media_asset_id":"med_95288_1ae3bb74bf9d87ce","agenda_item_id":null,"speaker_id":"spk_95288_thomas_johnson","speaker_confidence":0.9,"start_sec":1374.12,"end_sec":1376.11,"text":"I'm not going to um, I'm going to say that that's, again,","topics_json":"[]","vector_id":"vec_seg_95288_120","created_at":"2026-10-31T06:47:32Z","speaker_name":"Thomas Johnson"},{"id":"seg_95288_121","meeting_id":"95288","media_asset_id":"med_95288_1ae3bb74bf9d87ce","agenda_item_id":null,"speaker_id":"spk_95288_thomas_johnson","speaker_confidence":0.9,"start_sec":1376.1,"end_sec":1386.47,"text":"And a a little bit of a subjective assessment, sir. We have a rotating, um, speed enforcement posture that we adopt based on data.","topics_json":"[\"public_safety\"]","vector_id":"vec_seg_95288_121","created_at":"2026-10-31T06:47:32Z","speaker_name":"Thomas Johnson"},{"id":"seg_95288_122","meeting_id":"95288","media_asset_id":"med_95288_1ae3bb74bf9d87ce","agenda_item_id":null,"speaker_id":"spk_95288_thomas_johnson","speaker_confidence":0.9,"start_sec":1386.84,"end_sec":1395.44,"text":"Um, right now, um, we're just getting enough officers back out of the academy that we can put the motorcycle unit back together, which is our traffic enforcement arm.","topics_json":"[\"public_safety\"]","vector_id":"vec_seg_95288_122","created_at":"2026-10-31T06:47:32Z","speaker_name":"Thomas Johnson"},{"id":"seg_95288_123","meeting_id":"95288","media_asset_id":"med_95288_1ae3bb74bf9d87ce","agenda_item_id":null,"speaker_id":"spk_95288_thomas_johnson","speaker_confidence":0.9,"start_sec":1395.9,"end_sec":1405.45,"text":"When they go out, they are enforcing various locations that we've traditionally addressed that produce the accidents, that produce the highest number of violations.","topics_json":"[\"public_safety\"]","vector_id":"vec_seg_95288_123","created_at":"2026-10-31T06:47:32Z","speaker_name":"Thomas Johnson"},{"id":"seg_95288_124","meeting_id":"95288","media_asset_id":"med_95288_1ae3bb74bf9d87ce","agenda_item_id":null,"speaker_id":"spk_95288_thomas_johnson","speaker_confidence":0.9,"start_sec":1405.93,"end_sec":1422.91,"text":"So when I come back and talk about any specific area getting the kind of enforcement where someone would say, \"Oh, this is a game changer, they're out here every day,\" that's not going to be, um, statistically possible in a city of 24 square miles.","topics_json":"[\"public_safety\"]","vector_id":"vec_seg_95288_124","created_at":"2026-10-31T06:47:32Z","speaker_name":"Thomas Johnson"},{"id":"seg_95288_125","meeting_id":"95288","media_asset_id":"med_95288_1ae3bb74bf9d87ce","agenda_item_id":null,"speaker_id":"spk_95288_thomas_johnson","speaker_confidence":0.9,"start_sec":1423.53,"end_sec":1430.8,"text":"Um, this is a resour- proactive traffic enforcement posturing is a resource-dependent, um, activity.","topics_json":"[\"public_safety\"]","vector_id":"vec_seg_95288_125","created_at":"2026-10-31T06:47:32Z","speaker_name":"Thomas Johnson"},{"id":"seg_95288_126","meeting_id":"95288","media_asset_id":"med_95288_1ae3bb74bf9d87ce","agenda_item_id":null,"speaker_id":"spk_95288_thomas_johnson","speaker_confidence":0.9,"start_sec":1430.99,"end_sec":1438.13,"text":"So when our census numbers, or our authorized strength is low, it's harder to get to that point because we're chasing 911 calls.","topics_json":"[\"public_safety\"]","vector_id":"vec_seg_95288_126","created_at":"2026-10-31T06:47:32Z","speaker_name":"Thomas Johnson"},{"id":"seg_95288_127","meeting_id":"95288","media_asset_id":"med_95288_1ae3bb74bf9d87ce","agenda_item_id":null,"speaker_id":"spk_95288_thomas_johnson","speaker_confidence":0.9,"start_sec":1438.5,"end_sec":1453.05,"text":"When we're back closer to authorized strength, that gives us the uh the kind of staffing where we can get after it a little bit better, and we can spread ourselves out a little bit further. Um, but that changes with, um, conditions.","topics_json":"[\"public_safety\"]","vector_id":"vec_seg_95288_127","created_at":"2026-10-31T06:47:32Z","speaker_name":"Thomas Johnson"},{"id":"seg_95288_128","meeting_id":"95288","media_asset_id":"med_95288_1ae3bb74bf9d87ce","agenda_item_id":null,"speaker_id":"spk_95288_thomas_johnson","speaker_confidence":0.9,"start_sec":1453.11,"end_sec":1470.59,"text":"But even at our high-water mark, when we're covering the school zones in the morning, especially when the school year is in, and then the school zones in the afternoon, and we're hitting our high accident areas where the injuries, um, are occurring, and that's kind of the space that if you were to ask DelDOT or Highway Safety or any of the folks that, um, we're in partnership with, um, to try and get, um, traffic and safety issues addressed,","topics_json":"[\"public_safety\"]","vector_id":"vec_seg_95288_128","created_at":"2026-10-31T06:47:32Z","speaker_name":"Thomas Johnson"},{"id":"seg_95288_129","meeting_id":"95288","media_asset_id":"med_95288_1ae3bb74bf9d87ce","agenda_item_id":null,"speaker_id":"spk_95288_thomas_johnson","speaker_confidence":0.9,"start_sec":1470.77,"end_sec":1477.54,"text":"um, every kind of roadway gets its fair shake and its fair turn, but numerically, it's not going to feel or seem like much because of the amount of officers that we have versus the amount of real estate that we have to cover.","topics_json":"[\"public_safety\"]","vector_id":"vec_seg_95288_129","created_at":"2026-10-31T06:47:32Z","speaker_name":"Thomas Johnson"},{"id":"seg_95288_13","meeting_id":"95288","media_asset_id":"med_95288_1ae3bb74bf9d87ce","agenda_item_id":null,"speaker_id":"off_andre_m_boggerty","speaker_confidence":0.95,"start_sec":63.4,"end_sec":64.1,"text":"Yes.","topics_json":"[]","vector_id":"vec_seg_95288_13","created_at":"2026-10-31T06:47:32Z","speaker_name":"Andre M. Boggerty"},{"id":"seg_95288_130","meeting_id":"95288","media_asset_id":"med_95288_1ae3bb74bf9d87ce","agenda_item_id":null,"speaker_id":"off_brian_e_lewis","speaker_confidence":0.95,"start_sec":1478.86,"end_sec":1493.86,"text":"So currently, would you say, uh, as of this date, that, um, you have a sufficient amount of officers to enforce Title 21 speeding, which would be Chapter, uh, 8 4168 speed restrictions under, uh, Delaware State Code?","topics_json":"[\"public_safety\"]","vector_id":"vec_seg_95288_130","created_at":"2026-10-31T06:47:32Z","speaker_name":"Brian E. 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I just got done hiring a lateral that starts, uh, on the 1st of December, and I'm about to put five new officers in the academy starting in January, um, assuming that I'm not struck too hard with attrition.","topics_json":"[\"public_safety\",\"budget\"]","vector_id":"vec_seg_95288_134","created_at":"2026-10-31T06:47:32Z","speaker_name":"Thomas Johnson"},{"id":"seg_95288_135","meeting_id":"95288","media_asset_id":"med_95288_1ae3bb74bf9d87ce","agenda_item_id":null,"speaker_id":"spk_95288_thomas_johnson","speaker_confidence":0.9,"start_sec":1519.98,"end_sec":1527.87,"text":"Um, by the time the weather breaks, our speed enforcement posture is going to be much improved, um, by the second quarter of 2026.","topics_json":"[\"public_safety\"]","vector_id":"vec_seg_95288_135","created_at":"2026-10-31T06:47:32Z","speaker_name":"Thomas Johnson"},{"id":"seg_95288_136","meeting_id":"95288","media_asset_id":"med_95288_1ae3bb74bf9d87ce","agenda_item_id":null,"speaker_id":"spk_95288_thomas_johnson","speaker_confidence":0.9,"start_sec":1528.58,"end_sec":1537.5,"text":"Um, but if I have sudden attrition, um, it might take a step back or two, and it might be somewhere between where we are now and the best that we could be.","topics_json":"[\"public_safety\"]","vector_id":"vec_seg_95288_136","created_at":"2026-10-31T06:47:32Z","speaker_name":"Thomas Johnson"},{"id":"seg_95288_137","meeting_id":"95288","media_asset_id":"med_95288_1ae3bb74bf9d87ce","agenda_item_id":null,"speaker_id":"off_brian_e_lewis","speaker_confidence":0.95,"start_sec":1538.43,"end_sec":1552.7,"text":"Okay, I'm going to come back to you with my last question, but, uh, this question is for, uh, our finance director, Ms. Marney. Uh, at the October 28th Committee of the Whole meeting, um, my colleague Ms. Arndt asked an integral question, uh, with respect","topics_json":"[\"budget\",\"public_safety\"]","vector_id":"vec_seg_95288_137","created_at":"2026-10-31T06:47:32Z","speaker_name":"Brian E. Lewis"},{"id":"seg_95288_138","meeting_id":"95288","media_asset_id":"med_95288_1ae3bb74bf9d87ce","agenda_item_id":null,"speaker_id":"off_brian_e_lewis","speaker_confidence":0.95,"start_sec":1572.69,"end_sec":1586.41,"text":"back to uh the cost, who's going to pay for the signs? Um, so my question to Ms. Marney, I guess, would be um where would the funding come from for the strictly enforce signs? Uh through taxpayer dollars, uh are there any grants, or is it going to come out of the police budget?","topics_json":"[\"budget\",\"public_safety\"]","vector_id":"vec_seg_95288_138","created_at":"2026-10-31T06:47:32Z","speaker_name":"Brian E. 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Uh there there are a couple of different avenues in which we can pay for it. One would be from the police budget, which of course is taxpayer-funded. Another could be grant uh grant funding. Um I liken this to a situation we had several years ago where we instituted a no smoking policy on city grounds uh where we obtained uh grant funding to pay for those signs. So, depending upon if this is enacted tonight and where exactly we have to place the signs, we of course would need to cost uh cost those fees um out for the particular signs to find funding.","topics_json":"[\"budget\",\"public_safety\"]","vector_id":"vec_seg_95288_140","created_at":"2026-10-31T06:47:32Z","speaker_name":"Patricia Marney"},{"id":"seg_95288_141","meeting_id":"95288","media_asset_id":"med_95288_1ae3bb74bf9d87ce","agenda_item_id":null,"speaker_id":"off_brian_e_lewis","speaker_confidence":0.95,"start_sec":1641.06,"end_sec":1643.91,"text":"So in your opinion, most likely it will come out of the police budget?","topics_json":"[\"budget\",\"public_safety\"]","vector_id":"vec_seg_95288_141","created_at":"2026-10-31T06:47:32Z","speaker_name":"Brian E. Lewis"},{"id":"seg_95288_142","meeting_id":"95288","media_asset_id":"med_95288_1ae3bb74bf9d87ce","agenda_item_id":null,"speaker_id":"spk_95288_patricia_marney","speaker_confidence":0.95,"start_sec":1643.91,"end_sec":1645.03,"text":"Yes.","topics_json":"[\"budget\"]","vector_id":"vec_seg_95288_142","created_at":"2026-10-31T06:47:32Z","speaker_name":"Patricia Marney"},{"id":"seg_95288_143","meeting_id":"95288","media_asset_id":"med_95288_1ae3bb74bf9d87ce","agenda_item_id":null,"speaker_id":"off_brian_e_lewis","speaker_confidence":0.95,"start_sec":1645.03,"end_sec":1703.09,"text":"Thank you. I have one more question for the Chief. And uh the question uh is actually the last page uh of the actual proposed ordinance and it would come under uh fines. So, as I look at this, it's under subsection A1 moving offense, non-moving offense. So, uh what would the actual fine be for uh clarification? Um is it a $10 ticket? Uh and then would it be classified under moving offense? Uh and what if the person, it's a two-part question, uh where would the uh actual fine be, number one? And number two, uh what if a person declines to pay the fine, uh how will it be collected?","topics_json":"[\"public_safety\"]","vector_id":"vec_seg_95288_143","created_at":"2026-10-31T06:47:32Z","speaker_name":"Brian E. Lewis"},{"id":"seg_95288_144","meeting_id":"95288","media_asset_id":"med_95288_1ae3bb74bf9d87ce","agenda_item_id":null,"speaker_id":"spk_95288_thomas_johnson","speaker_confidence":0.95,"start_sec":1703.09,"end_sec":1759.72,"text":"Sure. Uh Councilman Lewis, um based on what I'm seeing over my right shoulder, I I would have to land on this being a moving offense as compared to the other options. Um this would be a local ordinance violation where the individual would come into police headquarters and square that away with the city at the local level. Um mailers go out after certain um timelines just like any other um Dover city ordinance, whether that be a traffic ordinance or some other kind of ordinance that's under our control. It's not unlike parking. And at some point, um after x amount of mailers go out and no response was received, uh it pushed out uh through the city financial policies whenever the timeline is for it to finally make it to uh collections.","topics_json":"[\"public_safety\",\"budget\"]","vector_id":"vec_seg_95288_144","created_at":"2026-10-31T06:47:32Z","speaker_name":"Thomas Johnson"},{"id":"seg_95288_145","meeting_id":"95288","media_asset_id":"med_95288_1ae3bb74bf9d87ce","agenda_item_id":null,"speaker_id":"off_brian_e_lewis","speaker_confidence":0.95,"start_sec":1759.72,"end_sec":1769.28,"text":"So for clarification, and let me move on, maybe Ms. Marney can answer this, so in a situation like this, um since it technically don't fall under Title 21, um we utilize a collection agency to collect uh city ord-","topics_json":"[\"budget\",\"public_safety\"]","vector_id":"vec_seg_95288_145","created_at":"2026-10-31T06:47:32Z","speaker_name":"Brian E. 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We do have funding within our Streets Division and Highway Safety.","topics_json":"[\"budget\"]","vector_id":"vec_seg_95288_147","created_at":"2026-10-31T06:47:32Z","speaker_name":"Sharon Duca"},{"id":"seg_95288_148","meeting_id":"95288","media_asset_id":"med_95288_1ae3bb74bf9d87ce","agenda_item_id":null,"speaker_id":"spk_95288_sharon_duca","speaker_confidence":1,"start_sec":1795.88,"end_sec":1809.78,"text":"So there there's a few different avenues for funding sources that we could look into.","topics_json":"[\"budget\"]","vector_id":"vec_seg_95288_148","created_at":"2026-10-31T06:47:32Z","speaker_name":"Sharon Duca"},{"id":"seg_95288_149","meeting_id":"95288","media_asset_id":"med_95288_1ae3bb74bf9d87ce","agenda_item_id":null,"speaker_id":"off_brian_e_lewis","speaker_confidence":1,"start_sec":1810.78,"end_sec":1814.98,"text":"And that funding is stipulated that it could be used for signs?","topics_json":"[\"budget\"]","vector_id":"vec_seg_95288_149","created_at":"2026-10-31T06:47:32Z","speaker_name":"Brian E. 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We'd have to check into it.","topics_json":"[\"budget\"]","vector_id":"vec_seg_95288_150","created_at":"2026-10-31T06:47:32Z","speaker_name":"Sharon Duca"},{"id":"seg_95288_151","meeting_id":"95288","media_asset_id":"med_95288_1ae3bb74bf9d87ce","agenda_item_id":null,"speaker_id":"off_brian_e_lewis","speaker_confidence":1,"start_sec":1819.28,"end_sec":1820.48,"text":"So there's no guarantee?","topics_json":"[\"budget\"]","vector_id":"vec_seg_95288_151","created_at":"2026-10-31T06:47:32Z","speaker_name":"Brian E. 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Lewis"},{"id":"seg_95288_154","meeting_id":"95288","media_asset_id":"med_95288_1ae3bb74bf9d87ce","agenda_item_id":null,"speaker_id":"spk_95288_sharon_duca","speaker_confidence":1,"start_sec":1823.48,"end_sec":1824.18,"text":"Correct.","topics_json":"[\"budget\",\"public_safety\"]","vector_id":"vec_seg_95288_154","created_at":"2026-10-31T06:47:32Z","speaker_name":"Sharon Duca"},{"id":"seg_95288_155","meeting_id":"95288","media_asset_id":"med_95288_1ae3bb74bf9d87ce","agenda_item_id":null,"speaker_id":"off_brian_e_lewis","speaker_confidence":1,"start_sec":1824.28,"end_sec":1913.78,"text":"Okay. That's all I have as far as my questions pertaining to this ordinance. And, Mr. Anderson and Chief, you know, I'm not knocking you for trying to address the speeding issues in the city. I I just don't think that this ordinance is going to have that much of a an impact, and you know, the monies and the cost of the signs, I personally feel could be utilized for something that's going to make a difference, like another police officer, or you know, possible cameras attached to maybe the electronic speeding devices. That's That's my opinion, so respectfully I cannot support this ordinance. Thank you. I have no further questions.","topics_json":"[\"budget\",\"public_safety\"]","vector_id":"vec_seg_95288_155","created_at":"2026-10-31T06:47:32Z","speaker_name":"Brian E. Lewis"},{"id":"seg_95288_156","meeting_id":"95288","media_asset_id":"med_95288_1ae3bb74bf9d87ce","agenda_item_id":null,"speaker_id":"off_fred_a_neil","speaker_confidence":1,"start_sec":1914.48,"end_sec":1916.88,"text":"Councilman Sudler followed by Councilwoman Hall.","topics_json":"[]","vector_id":"vec_seg_95288_156","created_at":"2026-10-31T06:47:32Z","speaker_name":"Fred A. 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Neil"},{"id":"seg_95288_159","meeting_id":"95288","media_asset_id":"med_95288_1ae3bb74bf9d87ce","agenda_item_id":null,"speaker_id":"off_roy_sudler_jr","speaker_confidence":1,"start_sec":1929.38,"end_sec":1930.68,"text":"Yes. Thank you.","topics_json":"[]","vector_id":"vec_seg_95288_159","created_at":"2026-10-31T06:47:32Z","speaker_name":"Roy Sudler, Jr."},{"id":"seg_95288_16","meeting_id":"95288","media_asset_id":"med_95288_1ae3bb74bf9d87ce","agenda_item_id":null,"speaker_id":"spk_95288_city_clerk","speaker_confidence":0.95,"start_sec":66.3,"end_sec":67.5,"text":"Dr. Pillsbury?","topics_json":"[]","vector_id":"vec_seg_95288_16","created_at":"2026-10-31T06:47:32Z","speaker_name":null},{"id":"seg_95288_160","meeting_id":"95288","media_asset_id":"med_95288_1ae3bb74bf9d87ce","agenda_item_id":null,"speaker_id":"off_fred_a_neil","speaker_confidence":1,"start_sec":1930.78,"end_sec":1932.08,"text":"Councilman Anderson.","topics_json":"[]","vector_id":"vec_seg_95288_160","created_at":"2026-10-31T06:47:32Z","speaker_name":"Fred A. Neil"},{"id":"seg_95288_161","meeting_id":"95288","media_asset_id":"med_95288_1ae3bb74bf9d87ce","agenda_item_id":null,"speaker_id":"spk_95288_david_l_anderson","speaker_confidence":1,"start_sec":1932.28,"end_sec":1965.87,"text":"Uh thank you, Mr. President. One thing, when you look at the strictly enforced, it is based upon Title 21 state code, so it's that's what's being enforced, and that so therefore the fine would vary based upon what how much somebody was speeding. If somebody's going 50 in a 25, it's going to be based upon what the state violation was. And that's the uh that that's specifically in there. And second, when it comes to where it was with Sharon Duca, it's correct that it come that that's a streets issue because that's where signs are purchased. Um and in fact, it says in the ordinance that this that comes how the city the city manager directs, it didn't say the chief of police directs. Therefore, it comes out of your where all the other signs come from, where the speed limit signs come from, where the other, you know, where where the yield signs and the stop signs, and it's just adding","topics_json":"[\"budget\",\"public_safety\"]","vector_id":"vec_seg_95288_161","created_at":"2026-10-31T06:47:32Z","speaker_name":null},{"id":"seg_95288_162","meeting_id":"95288","media_asset_id":"med_95288_1ae3bb74bf9d87ce","agenda_item_id":null,"speaker_id":"off_david_l_anderson","speaker_confidence":0.95,"start_sec":1965.86,"end_sec":2027.8,"text":"um a a little sign that says in this zone is strictly enforced because uh the case law gives um a lot more recognition to if a person is warned as opposed to if they are not warned. Now, none of us want somebody pulled over for going 26 in a 25. And I I support the police department uh keeping that discretion and and look and looking at a in area. And I I personally think 5 mi is uh sufficient and, but that can be very in a weird situation that maybe if somebody's driving recklessly even at 27, but there's ice on the ground, you know, the police officer has that discretion and and that type of thing. And that's all. But I but those are two technical areas that I just wanted to uh clarify so that we're discussing what's actually in the ordinance. Uh thank you, I yield.","topics_json":"[\"public_safety\"]","vector_id":"vec_seg_95288_162","created_at":"2026-10-31T06:47:32Z","speaker_name":"David L. Anderson"},{"id":"seg_95288_163","meeting_id":"95288","media_asset_id":"med_95288_1ae3bb74bf9d87ce","agenda_item_id":null,"speaker_id":"off_fred_a_neil","speaker_confidence":0.95,"start_sec":2027.8,"end_sec":2029.71,"text":"Councilman Sudler.","topics_json":"[]","vector_id":"vec_seg_95288_163","created_at":"2026-10-31T06:47:32Z","speaker_name":"Fred A. Neil"},{"id":"seg_95288_164","meeting_id":"95288","media_asset_id":"med_95288_1ae3bb74bf9d87ce","agenda_item_id":null,"speaker_id":"off_roy_sudler_jr","speaker_confidence":0.95,"start_sec":2029.71,"end_sec":2107.63,"text":"All right, thank you, Council President, for recognizing me. Um I would like to, since I have at least two of my constituents here that have faithfully been coming to City Council or two of our constituents here that they faithfully been coming to City Council meeting. Um, I would like to hear from uh those two individuals, the the Mayne family just to get a perspective on how they feel as though the um this would impact their community. So if you would if it's okay, could you come forward just so we can I can hear it from you since mine one of our constituents is here that is impacted?","topics_json":"[\"public_safety\"]","vector_id":"vec_seg_95288_164","created_at":"2026-10-31T06:47:32Z","speaker_name":"Roy Sudler, Jr."},{"id":"seg_95288_165","meeting_id":"95288","media_asset_id":"med_95288_1ae3bb74bf9d87ce","agenda_item_id":null,"speaker_id":"spk_95288_belinda_mayne","speaker_confidence":0.95,"start_sec":2107.63,"end_sec":2156.14,"text":"Belinda Mayne, City of Dover. Um the ordinance with posting strictly enforced, okay, they don't read stop, S-T-O-P. They're not going to read the little sign underneath that says strictly enforced. You need to do something a little bit more stricter than just a sign. And that's not just everywhere. You're you're talking about putting these little tiny signs. I don't have a speed limit sign on my street. It's 25 in my little neighborhood. So, that little sign on every entrance and exit is only going to show, \"Okay, from that point to that point, strictly enforced, but we can speed down this whole drag strip right here.\" So, that doesn't imply in the neighborhood that is 25, any speed limit over, even 26, as I had said before, and I was fought back with, \"Oh, it's only 26.\" Okay, well, your son was hit by a car, am I correct? Riding a bike in the street. Okay, if that sign strictly enforced was underneath the 25 mph sign, do you think that person would have went, \"Oh, there's a kid riding a bike in the street, let me just do strictly 25\"? No, they would have done the same speed, and your son still would have gotten hit.","topics_json":"[\"public_safety\"]","vector_id":"vec_seg_95288_165","created_at":"2026-10-31T06:47:32Z","speaker_name":"Belinda Mayne"},{"id":"seg_95288_166","meeting_id":"95288","media_asset_id":"med_95288_1ae3bb74bf9d87ce","agenda_item_id":null,"speaker_id":"off_fred_a_neil","speaker_confidence":0.85,"start_sec":2156.14,"end_sec":2156.82,"text":"Ms.-","topics_json":"[]","vector_id":"vec_seg_95288_166","created_at":"2026-10-31T06:47:32Z","speaker_name":"Fred A. 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Pillsbury"},{"id":"seg_95288_170","meeting_id":"95288","media_asset_id":"med_95288_1ae3bb74bf9d87ce","agenda_item_id":null,"speaker_id":"spk_95288_ms_mayne","speaker_confidence":0.95,"start_sec":2168.75,"end_sec":2181.61,"text":"I do not I don't think it would help at all, because like I had said before, I was told signs can't direct traffic, they can't control traffic. But if there's not enough signs that say stop in certain areas or changing the path of traffic, you can control it that way, but putting a little strictly enforced is not going to do anything.","topics_json":"[\"public_safety\"]","vector_id":"vec_seg_95288_170","created_at":"2026-10-31T06:47:32Z","speaker_name":"Ms. Mayne"},{"id":"seg_95288_171","meeting_id":"95288","media_asset_id":"med_95288_1ae3bb74bf9d87ce","agenda_item_id":null,"speaker_id":"off_roy_sudler_jr","speaker_confidence":0.95,"start_sec":2181.61,"end_sec":2184.85,"text":"Thank you for your input. Thank you, appreciate it. Thank you, I yield. 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Um, I feel that with the amount of resources that it would take to be able to enforce something like this, that these funds could be better served using them to explore the options that we have all talked about here on council floor about, um, doing things that create barriers that actually physically slow people down. And so I'm more amenable to supporting something that looks at that, um, in a strategic way, um, and it would, um, be a better use in my humble opinion of the funds. So, I yield. Thank you.","topics_json":"[\"public_safety\",\"budget\"]","vector_id":"vec_seg_95288_173","created_at":"2026-10-31T06:47:32Z","speaker_name":"Donyale M. 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Um, if I were to see a sign that saw said strictly enforced, I would think, okay, well, maybe there's additional enforcement in this area. Uh, I would I would","topics_json":"[\"public_safety\"]","vector_id":"vec_seg_95288_175","created_at":"2026-10-31T06:47:32Z","speaker_name":"Tricia K. Arndt"},{"id":"seg_95288_176","meeting_id":"95288","media_asset_id":"med_95288_1ae3bb74bf9d87ce","agenda_item_id":null,"speaker_id":"off_tricia_k_arndt","speaker_confidence":0.95,"start_sec":2264.66,"end_sec":2315.43,"text":"think more carefully about how I was driving in that vicinity. Um, so just from a public awareness standpoint, if the signs have the limited ability to change driver behavior in certain circumstances. It's obviously some people are just going to ignore it, what have you. Um, but just from a public awareness standpoint, I have no opposition to this ordinance. Um, it's fairly benign. Um, it's just a sign under a speed limit sign. 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Um, I could show the chief uh after we uh adjourn uh photos and videos of people speeding through my neighborhood, as I have a camera in front of my house, and I want to show him how quickly uh these vehicles are going down my street. And we have uh 25 uh 25-mph speed signs and the uh electronic speed monitor system. So I don't know how this little, you know, rinky-dink sign that says strictly enforced is going to have any impact at all. Again, I would like to see, you know, something, you know, that's going to be more cumbersome and, you know, uh useful to to stop the speeders. Uh, and that's all I have. Thank you.","topics_json":"[\"public_safety\"]","vector_id":"vec_seg_95288_180","created_at":"2026-10-31T06:47:32Z","speaker_name":"Brian E. 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Anderson"},{"id":"seg_95288_185","meeting_id":"95288","media_asset_id":"med_95288_1ae3bb74bf9d87ce","agenda_item_id":null,"speaker_id":"off_fred_a_neil","speaker_confidence":0.95,"start_sec":2438.83,"end_sec":2442.03,"text":"Okay, we've invited other people for that.","topics_json":"[]","vector_id":"vec_seg_95288_185","created_at":"2026-10-31T06:47:32Z","speaker_name":"Fred A. Neil"},{"id":"seg_95288_186","meeting_id":"95288","media_asset_id":"med_95288_1ae3bb74bf9d87ce","agenda_item_id":null,"speaker_id":"off_david_l_anderson","speaker_confidence":0.95,"start_sec":2442.03,"end_sec":2466.53,"text":"Well, well that, but that was somebody was specifically invited to and yielded to um by a member um which, but, and so what I'd like to do is uh call the question and go into a vote this particular time because uh it's time to uh, it's time to vote on this particular issue.","topics_json":"[]","vector_id":"vec_seg_95288_186","created_at":"2026-10-31T06:47:32Z","speaker_name":"David L. 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And believe me, when I've done that, and I have done that on occasion, you really say that why am I sitting in this court with this long line of people? It has an effect. And if you don't realize that it has an effect just even if you have to go to court, so basically, saying it's no good is no good. It basically is good, because basically what you have is an effect of saying that if if if it happens...","topics_json":"[\"public_safety\"]","vector_id":"vec_seg_95288_189","created_at":"2026-10-31T06:47:32Z","speaker_name":"Fred A. Neil"},{"id":"seg_95288_19","meeting_id":"95288","media_asset_id":"med_95288_1ae3bb74bf9d87ce","agenda_item_id":null,"speaker_id":"off_tricia_k_arndt","speaker_confidence":0.95,"start_sec":69.5,"end_sec":70.3,"text":"Yes.","topics_json":"[]","vector_id":"vec_seg_95288_19","created_at":"2026-10-31T06:47:32Z","speaker_name":"Tricia K. 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And I like to uh wish everybody a happy Thanksgiving in the city, and uh let's not forget those out in the community that are suffering, uh that are disadvantaged, that are out on the streets. Uh I implore uh some of you to get out to some of these shelters and and help serve, but you know, let let's not forget about um these unfortunate souls that are out there. And uh I'm not just talking about people. I'm talking about, you know, animals, too, like the SPCA runs a program where you can go there and feed them on Thanksgiving. So, uh you know, let's let's keep our hearts open during this holiday season. That's all I have to say. God bless.","topics_json":"[\"homelessness\"]","vector_id":"vec_seg_95288_241","created_at":"2026-10-31T06:47:32Z","speaker_name":"Brian E. 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Um uh the Mayor's Blue Ribbon um OUD Task Force is planning our first outreach initiative to usher individuals off of the median peer via peer support staff","topics_json":"[\"homelessness\",\"public_safety\"]","vector_id":"vec_seg_95288_246","created_at":"2026-10-31T06:47:32Z","speaker_name":"Roy Sudler, Jr."},{"id":"seg_95288_247","meeting_id":"95288","media_asset_id":"med_95288_1ae3bb74bf9d87ce","agenda_item_id":null,"speaker_id":"off_roy_sudler_jr","speaker_confidence":0.95,"start_sec":2935.07,"end_sec":2948.8,"text":"and other partners with DDP, as well as the Human Relations Commission and the state has now joined us for the resources as well, to usher them off of the median into resources so that they can um properly assess uh what are some of their external challenges and also get them the","topics_json":"[\"homelessness\",\"public_safety\"]","vector_id":"vec_seg_95288_247","created_at":"2026-10-31T06:47:32Z","speaker_name":"Roy Sudler, Jr."},{"id":"seg_95288_248","meeting_id":"95288","media_asset_id":"med_95288_1ae3bb74bf9d87ce","agenda_item_id":null,"speaker_id":"off_roy_sudler_jr","speaker_confidence":0.95,"start_sec":2948.79,"end_sec":2969.59,"text":"help that they need. We're looking forward to having a very productive outreach initiative, and those individuals or organizations that want to help us, please contact the Mayor's office as we will be looking forward to your assistance. Thank you. I yield.","topics_json":"[\"homelessness\",\"public_safety\"]","vector_id":"vec_seg_95288_248","created_at":"2026-10-31T06:47:32Z","speaker_name":"Roy Sudler, Jr."},{"id":"seg_95288_249","meeting_id":"95288","media_asset_id":"med_95288_1ae3bb74bf9d87ce","agenda_item_id":null,"speaker_id":"off_fred_a_neil","speaker_confidence":0.95,"start_sec":2969.59,"end_sec":2971.59,"text":"Councilman Boggerty.","topics_json":"[]","vector_id":"vec_seg_95288_249","created_at":"2026-10-31T06:47:32Z","speaker_name":"Fred A. 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But if you know anyone who's going, it's carry out. It's carry out only, because it's at 300 Loockerman, the home and future home of The Well Life Center. So again, it's carry out breakfast. We plan to feed up to 200 individuals, and it's carry out only as we are pending construction. So, thank you.","topics_json":"[\"homelessness\"]","vector_id":"vec_seg_95288_250","created_at":"2026-10-31T06:47:32Z","speaker_name":"Andre M. Boggerty"},{"id":"seg_95288_251","meeting_id":"95288","media_asset_id":"med_95288_1ae3bb74bf9d87ce","agenda_item_id":null,"speaker_id":"off_fred_a_neil","speaker_confidence":0.95,"start_sec":3066.59,"end_sec":3070.29,"text":"Councilman Anderson.","topics_json":"[]","vector_id":"vec_seg_95288_251","created_at":"2026-10-31T06:47:32Z","speaker_name":"Fred A. Neil"},{"id":"seg_95288_252","meeting_id":"95288","media_asset_id":"med_95288_1ae3bb74bf9d87ce","agenda_item_id":null,"speaker_id":"off_david_l_anderson","speaker_confidence":0.95,"start_sec":3070.29,"end_sec":3145.38,"text":"Thank you, Mr. President. I want to say excellent, and, and I also fully support Councilman Sudler, Dr. Sudler's organizing the outreach effort. That is something that, of course, he knows that because I was at that meeting. And fully supportive of it, and I applaud it, by the way. It's, some, I have a statement, but some announcements that are important is The Hive this Saturday, 10:00 to 2:00, will have, which is Saturday, November 29th, this happens to be Small Business Saturday, will have artisans and others again this year and have, so that you can have a very specialized experience with local artisans in the community. You can get something far, special this Christmas. So please drop on by. Support your local community. Keep local dollars local. Speaking of keeping local dollars local, in, like I said, Small Business Saturday, you can get some benefit by doubling your money. In these times, doubling your money is a good thing because we can all stretch our money a little further, and there's been a, there's a grant that's gone to the Downtown Dover Partnership, which has, which you can buy gift cards, and those particular gift cards are, can only be utilized in downtown businesses, and which some of, which are represented by some of the fine people in our audience here. And I would encourage you to buy those, and, and I, I","topics_json":"[\"business\",\"budget\"]","vector_id":"vec_seg_95288_252","created_at":"2026-10-31T06:47:32Z","speaker_name":"David L. 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It's at 6:00 p.m. Uh, but the registration is open now.","topics_json":"[\"business\"]","vector_id":"vec_seg_95288_254","created_at":"2026-10-31T06:47:32Z","speaker_name":"David L. Anderson"},{"id":"seg_95288_255","meeting_id":"95288","media_asset_id":"med_95288_1ae3bb74bf9d87ce","agenda_item_id":null,"speaker_id":"off_david_l_anderson","speaker_confidence":0.95,"start_sec":3174.98,"end_sec":3232.95,"text":"So I would want to encourage you to go and and register if you want to participate in Dashing Through Downtown. But one of the things for your planning is Toys for Tots, um, is also doing It's one of the last times you'll be able to make a Toys for Tots, uh, donation and drop-off, uh, in December 13th. And that's very important because we need to remember the young people in this community who, for whatever reason, may not have something to receive this Christmas.","topics_json":"[]","vector_id":"vec_seg_95288_255","created_at":"2026-10-31T06:47:32Z","speaker_name":"David L. Anderson"},{"id":"seg_95288_256","meeting_id":"95288","media_asset_id":"med_95288_1ae3bb74bf9d87ce","agenda_item_id":null,"speaker_id":"off_david_l_anderson","speaker_confidence":0.95,"start_sec":3233.1,"end_sec":3243.37,"text":"Uh, so let's support Toys for Tots, uh, now. You don't have to wait till then. Start Please support them now and go all the way through, and also, of course, the Salvation Army does a fine job in in that area as well.","topics_json":"[]","vector_id":"vec_seg_95288_256","created_at":"2026-10-31T06:47:32Z","speaker_name":"David L. Anderson"},{"id":"seg_95288_257","meeting_id":"95288","media_asset_id":"med_95288_1ae3bb74bf9d87ce","agenda_item_id":null,"speaker_id":"off_david_l_anderson","speaker_confidence":0.95,"start_sec":3244.28,"end_sec":3310.24,"text":"And and that's, um And, uh And I'd like to encourage, uh, uh, people to show up tomorrow for, uh, some very important ordinances, including, uh, pedestrian safety. I want to thank the hundreds of people who have expressed their support because this community understands that that we have a real problem in this community. And it's not just a Dover problem, it's all over, uh, Delaware. But we have to start here in our community in Dover and protect people, protect lives.","topics_json":"[\"public_safety\"]","vector_id":"vec_seg_95288_257","created_at":"2026-10-31T06:47:32Z","speaker_name":"David L. Anderson"},{"id":"seg_95288_258","meeting_id":"95288","media_asset_id":"med_95288_1ae3bb74bf9d87ce","agenda_item_id":null,"speaker_id":"off_david_l_anderson","speaker_confidence":0.95,"start_sec":3310.93,"end_sec":3341.36,"text":"Yeah, so, uh, make sure to tune in, and I I want to thank each and every person who who's, uh, contacted me, everyone who's on social media, on the news stories, and Nextdoor, and and who have signed petitions. Uh, it is vital to this community that we take a stand and we do something that's right for all of our citizens to stop people from getting hurt, to stop people from getting harassed, and to, uh, restore a sense of, uh, community.","topics_json":"[\"public_safety\"]","vector_id":"vec_seg_95288_258","created_at":"2026-10-31T06:47:32Z","speaker_name":"David L. Anderson"},{"id":"seg_95288_259","meeting_id":"95288","media_asset_id":"med_95288_1ae3bb74bf9d87ce","agenda_item_id":null,"speaker_id":"off_david_l_anderson","speaker_confidence":0.95,"start_sec":3341.97,"end_sec":3341.97,"text":"Uh, once we do that, we are we are going to be in better shape because you know that this city is one of the most compassionate, uh, around. We've invested over the last 5 years literally millions of dollars in housing and trying to help the homeless, and we've","topics_json":"[\"housing\",\"homelessness\"]","vector_id":"vec_seg_95288_259","created_at":"2026-10-31T06:47:32Z","speaker_name":"David L. Anderson"},{"id":"seg_95288_26","meeting_id":"95288","media_asset_id":"med_95288_1ae3bb74bf9d87ce","agenda_item_id":null,"speaker_id":"spk_95288_city_clerk","speaker_confidence":0.95,"start_sec":77.5,"end_sec":78.9,"text":"Council President Neil?","topics_json":"[]","vector_id":"vec_seg_95288_26","created_at":"2026-10-31T06:47:32Z","speaker_name":null},{"id":"seg_95288_260","meeting_id":"95288","media_asset_id":"med_95288_1ae3bb74bf9d87ce","agenda_item_id":null,"speaker_id":"off_david_l_anderson","speaker_confidence":0.95,"start_sec":3341.97,"end_sec":3392.77,"text":"gotten such a good reputation that people are coming from all over to us. Um we are we are literally uh becoming a victim of our own success. And so, um when er so when you go into a shelter and you ask people, um one of the reasons they come here as opposed to where they stayed is because they believe that there are resources here. And I think we don't have enough resources, but it is um a testament to the compassion of this community, and we're going to keep investing in affordable housing, we're going to keep investing in transitional housing, and we're going to keep supporting our shelters because that is the right thing to do. I yield, Mr. President.","topics_json":"[\"homelessness\",\"housing\"]","vector_id":"vec_seg_95288_260","created_at":"2026-10-31T06:47:32Z","speaker_name":"David L. Anderson"},{"id":"seg_95288_261","meeting_id":"95288","media_asset_id":"med_95288_1ae3bb74bf9d87ce","agenda_item_id":null,"speaker_id":"off_fred_a_neil","speaker_confidence":0.95,"start_sec":3392.77,"end_sec":3394.97,"text":"Councilwoman Hall.","topics_json":"[]","vector_id":"vec_seg_95288_261","created_at":"2026-10-31T06:47:32Z","speaker_name":"Fred A. Neil"},{"id":"seg_95288_262","meeting_id":"95288","media_asset_id":"med_95288_1ae3bb74bf9d87ce","agenda_item_id":null,"speaker_id":"off_donyale_m_hall","speaker_confidence":0.95,"start_sec":3394.97,"end_sec":3495.97,"text":"Thank you for recognizing me. Um I just want to say in closing that um Reverend Louder, thank you for setting the tone and the tempo here in chambers. Um my my spirit was encouraged and uplifted um by uh what you uh gave us today to start out with. And to Cody, I I just want to tell you that I'm equally thankful and grateful for your heart um to come forward and give those words during public comment because um you're you're right. The spirit should be in this place to have conversation around these issues. And we don't always have to agree, but what we do have to do is agree to work together to find a common solution. And I'm very thankful and grateful to each and every one of you that chooses to come out and spend your time um sharing with us um your thoughts and your feelings. Um Miss Payne, you know you and I haven't always seen eye-to-eye, but I love you and I love your family. Thank you for coming out. Um and I just want everybody to um embrace a spirit of gratitude this Thanksgiving um as we move into um our Thanksgiving season. I know some are not as fortunate as us, and I just wanted to um give a shout out to one of the local businesses that um is starting a new tradition here. Um Friendsgiving um at 329 Loockerman Street with Al Noor. Um they'll be feeding the community between 11:00 and 2:00 p.m. So thank you all, enjoy your holidays, and um I'm looking forward to continue working with each and every one of you. God bless.","topics_json":"[\"business\"]","vector_id":"vec_seg_95288_262","created_at":"2026-10-31T06:47:32Z","speaker_name":"Donyale M. 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Boggerty"},{"id":"seg_95288_30","meeting_id":"95288","media_asset_id":"med_95288_1ae3bb74bf9d87ce","agenda_item_id":null,"speaker_id":"spk_95288_city_clerk","speaker_confidence":0.95,"start_sec":106,"end_sec":196.59,"text":"Proclamation: Whereas during the month of November, hospice and palliative care programs across the nation raise awareness about the compassionate care that helps patients and families live as fully as possible despite serious or life-limiting illness; and whereas hospice and palliative care providers offer the highest quality services focused on comfort and dignity, ensuring that patients facing serious illness receive care that aligns with their values and wishes; and whereas these programs bring together professionals and volunteers, including physicians, nurses, social workers, chaplains, and therapists who provide medical, emotional, and spiritual support to patients and their loved ones; and whereas hospice and palliative care improve quality of life, reduce unnecessary hospitalizations, and provide critical assistance for families coping with end-of-life challenges and grief; and whereas the City of Dover recognizes and commends the dedicated caregivers, healthcare professionals, and volunteers who devote themselves to ensuring that our residents receiving receive compassionate care when it is needed most. 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Thank you, Mr. President. So, Irene, on behalf of myself, the members of the Dover City Council, and the citizens we all serve, it's a pleasure to present to you this proclamation. And because you got the puffy cover, you know the drill, you get time at the podium.","topics_json":"[]","vector_id":"vec_seg_95288_32","created_at":"2026-10-31T06:47:32Z","speaker_name":"Robin R. Christiansen"},{"id":"seg_95288_33","meeting_id":"95288","media_asset_id":"med_95288_1ae3bb74bf9d87ce","agenda_item_id":null,"speaker_id":"spk_95288_irene","speaker_confidence":0.9,"start_sec":213.98,"end_sec":225.28,"text":"Oh, my gosh. Thank you all so much. It's an honor and a pleasure to be able to do what we do every day. I'm going on my 24th year here at Compassionate Care Hospice, and it's actually it is just such an honor to do what we do. And thank you so much for this. I know my team is going to be","topics_json":"[]","vector_id":"vec_seg_95288_33","created_at":"2026-10-31T06:47:32Z","speaker_name":"Irene"},{"id":"seg_95288_34","meeting_id":"95288","media_asset_id":"med_95288_1ae3bb74bf9d87ce","agenda_item_id":null,"speaker_id":"off_robin_r_christiansen","speaker_confidence":0.95,"start_sec":230,"end_sec":231.67,"text":"Mr. President, point of personal privilege, please.","topics_json":"[]","vector_id":"vec_seg_95288_34","created_at":"2026-10-31T06:47:32Z","speaker_name":"Robin R. Christiansen"},{"id":"seg_95288_35","meeting_id":"95288","media_asset_id":"med_95288_1ae3bb74bf9d87ce","agenda_item_id":null,"speaker_id":"off_robin_r_christiansen","speaker_confidence":0.95,"start_sec":232.6,"end_sec":273.96,"text":"So, the young lady brought us a box of candy. And I know you are all on a diet. And it is an ethics violation if we take this candy. So, Mr. President, I would propose that the youngest person in the audience— no, not you, Vonda— come down and take this box of candy off our hands.","topics_json":"[]","vector_id":"vec_seg_95288_35","created_at":"2026-10-31T06:47:32Z","speaker_name":"Robin R. Christiansen"},{"id":"seg_95288_36","meeting_id":"95288","media_asset_id":"med_95288_1ae3bb74bf9d87ce","agenda_item_id":null,"speaker_id":"off_robin_r_christiansen","speaker_confidence":0.95,"start_sec":279.42,"end_sec":284.14,"text":"There is one caveat. You see this one here? When you open the box, make sure I get that one.","topics_json":"[]","vector_id":"vec_seg_95288_36","created_at":"2026-10-31T06:47:32Z","speaker_name":"Robin R. 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The first reading of the proposed ordinances was accomplished during the council meeting of November the 10th, 2025. The ordinances are available at the entrance of the Council Chambers, or on the city's website at www.cityofdover.com under Government. First, I will entertain a motion to consider the final readings by title only. A separate motion will be necessary for each adoption. What is the pleasure of Council?","topics_json":"[]","vector_id":"vec_seg_95288_39","created_at":"2026-10-31T06:47:32Z","speaker_name":"Fred A. Neil"},{"id":"seg_95288_4","meeting_id":"95288","media_asset_id":"med_95288_1ae3bb74bf9d87ce","agenda_item_id":null,"speaker_id":"off_fred_a_neil","speaker_confidence":0.95,"start_sec":9.4,"end_sec":15.6,"text":"It's been moved and seconded. All in favor, please say aye.","topics_json":"[]","vector_id":"vec_seg_95288_4","created_at":"2026-10-31T06:47:32Z","speaker_name":"Fred A. 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Our our billable rates for our vehicles have are drastically outdated, over 10 years old. It's a cumbersome task to go through each vehicle to try to identify how much each vehicle would cost per hour. So the idea was to utilize the FEMA rates, which are updated periodically, and they have almost every vehicle that we have listed. We utilize FEMA for any sort of emergency management, for damage. So we felt that this would be a wise move to keep things orderly and uniform to help with recouping costs. 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I would uh, Mr. President, I move that we adopt Proposed Ordinance 2025-20, amending chapter 106, Traffic and Vehicles, article I, In General, by ask- adding section 106-18, Strictly Enforced.","topics_json":"[]","vector_id":"vec_seg_95288_90","created_at":"2026-10-31T06:47:32Z","speaker_name":"Roy Sudler, Jr."},{"id":"seg_95288_91","meeting_id":"95288","media_asset_id":"med_95288_1ae3bb74bf9d87ce","agenda_item_id":null,"speaker_id":"off_fred_a_neil","speaker_confidence":1,"start_sec":643.36,"end_sec":645.16,"text":"Councilman Sud- Lewis.","topics_json":"[]","vector_id":"vec_seg_95288_91","created_at":"2026-10-31T06:47:32Z","speaker_name":"Fred A. Neil"},{"id":"seg_95288_92","meeting_id":"95288","media_asset_id":"med_95288_1ae3bb74bf9d87ce","agenda_item_id":null,"speaker_id":"spk_95288_andria_bennett","speaker_confidence":0.9,"start_sec":647.26,"end_sec":649.26,"text":"He had his hand up before the motion. Okay. That's fine.","topics_json":"[]","vector_id":"vec_seg_95288_92","created_at":"2026-10-31T06:47:32Z","speaker_name":"Andria Bennett"},{"id":"seg_95288_93","meeting_id":"95288","media_asset_id":"med_95288_1ae3bb74bf9d87ce","agenda_item_id":null,"speaker_id":"off_fred_a_neil","speaker_confidence":1,"start_sec":650.56,"end_sec":652.36,"text":"Is that just for the second?","topics_json":"[]","vector_id":"vec_seg_95288_93","created_at":"2026-10-31T06:47:32Z","speaker_name":"Fred A. Neil"},{"id":"seg_95288_94","meeting_id":"95288","media_asset_id":"med_95288_1ae3bb74bf9d87ce","agenda_item_id":null,"speaker_id":"off_brian_e_lewis","speaker_confidence":1,"start_sec":652.46,"end_sec":655.26,"text":"Uh, no. You didn't recognize me while I had my hand up.","topics_json":"[]","vector_id":"vec_seg_95288_94","created_at":"2026-10-31T06:47:32Z","speaker_name":"Brian E. 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You have before you this evening's agenda. I will entertain a motion for its adoption.","topics_json":"[]","vector_id":"vec_seg_95289_1","created_at":"2026-10-31T07:37:16Z","speaker_name":"Fred A. Neil"},{"id":"seg_95289_10","meeting_id":"95289","media_asset_id":"med_95289_f20119687f337fb8","agenda_item_id":null,"speaker_id":"off_gerald_l_rocha_sr","speaker_confidence":0.95,"start_sec":80.5,"end_sec":82.5,"text":"I am, sir. How are you?","topics_json":"[]","vector_id":"vec_seg_95289_10","created_at":"2026-10-31T07:37:16Z","speaker_name":"Gerald L. Rocha, Sr."},{"id":"seg_95289_100","meeting_id":"95289","media_asset_id":"med_95289_f20119687f337fb8","agenda_item_id":null,"speaker_id":"spk_95289_smack","speaker_confidence":0.9,"start_sec":1737.95,"end_sec":1754.65,"text":"Well, I do appreciate that. Thank you so much, um you know. And my other question is in your uh traffic studies, have any of those studies shown an increase in pedestrian fatalities or uh major areas where pedestrians are getting hit?","topics_json":"[\"public_safety\"]","vector_id":"vec_seg_95289_100","created_at":"2026-10-31T07:37:16Z","speaker_name":"Smack"},{"id":"seg_95289_1000","meeting_id":"95289","media_asset_id":"med_95289_f20119687f337fb8","agenda_item_id":null,"speaker_id":"off_roy_sudler_jr","speaker_confidence":1,"start_sec":13788.91,"end_sec":13791.54,"text":"Hold on, hold on, hold on, hold on. I have another ques- I have further discussion.","topics_json":"[]","vector_id":"vec_seg_95289_1000","created_at":"2026-10-31T07:37:18Z","speaker_name":"Roy Sudler, Jr."},{"id":"seg_95289_1001","meeting_id":"95289","media_asset_id":"med_95289_f20119687f337fb8","agenda_item_id":null,"speaker_id":"off_andre_m_boggerty","speaker_confidence":1,"start_sec":13791.54,"end_sec":13792.55,"text":"Hold on, uh, Dr. Sudler.","topics_json":"[]","vector_id":"vec_seg_95289_1001","created_at":"2026-10-31T07:37:18Z","speaker_name":"Andre M. 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Dr. Sudler?","topics_json":"[]","vector_id":"vec_seg_95289_1008","created_at":"2026-10-31T07:37:18Z","speaker_name":"Andre M. Boggerty"},{"id":"seg_95289_1009","meeting_id":"95289","media_asset_id":"med_95289_f20119687f337fb8","agenda_item_id":null,"speaker_id":"off_roy_sudler_jr","speaker_confidence":1,"start_sec":13876.82,"end_sec":13930.32,"text":"I I move that, um, we defer that back to, um, the committee for another within 30 to 60 days to see where we are with whether the applicant has or the candidate has accepted, uh, the position, and then revisit what we want to do at a later date. And I think our HR, um, expert would would be in agreement with that. I got the thumbs up, so.","topics_json":"[]","vector_id":"vec_seg_95289_1009","created_at":"2026-10-31T07:37:18Z","speaker_name":"Roy Sudler, Jr."},{"id":"seg_95289_101","meeting_id":"95289","media_asset_id":"med_95289_f20119687f337fb8","agenda_item_id":null,"speaker_id":"spk_95289_marilyn_smith","speaker_confidence":0.9,"start_sec":1754.65,"end_sec":1769.45,"text":"Uh so yes, that's exactly what the high injury network does. So, if we were um if if if we were to pull up the um the safety action plan and you were to look at the So, on your on your","topics_json":"[\"public_safety\"]","vector_id":"vec_seg_95289_101","created_at":"2026-10-31T07:37:16Z","speaker_name":"Marilyn Smith"},{"id":"seg_95289_1010","meeting_id":"95289","media_asset_id":"med_95289_f20119687f337fb8","agenda_item_id":null,"speaker_id":"off_donyale_m_hall","speaker_confidence":1,"start_sec":13930.32,"end_sec":13931.32,"text":"Hall seconds.","topics_json":"[]","vector_id":"vec_seg_95289_1010","created_at":"2026-10-31T07:37:18Z","speaker_name":"Donyale M. Hall"},{"id":"seg_95289_1011","meeting_id":"95289","media_asset_id":"med_95289_f20119687f337fb8","agenda_item_id":null,"speaker_id":"off_andre_m_boggerty","speaker_confidence":1,"start_sec":13931.32,"end_sec":13940.83,"text":"All right. It's been moved, uh, to defer this by Dr. Sudler for 30 to 60 days, uh, and, uh, it's been properly seconded by Councilwoman Hall. Discussion? Councilman Rocha?","topics_json":"[]","vector_id":"vec_seg_95289_1011","created_at":"2026-10-31T07:37:18Z","speaker_name":"Andre M. Boggerty"},{"id":"seg_95289_1012","meeting_id":"95289","media_asset_id":"med_95289_f20119687f337fb8","agenda_item_id":null,"speaker_id":"off_gerald_l_rocha_sr","speaker_confidence":1,"start_sec":13940.83,"end_sec":13949.88,"text":"Uh, can I, can I make a friendly amendment to, uh, the motion that the, uh, HR Director, uh, keeps Council abreast of what's transpiring?","topics_json":"[]","vector_id":"vec_seg_95289_1012","created_at":"2026-10-31T07:37:18Z","speaker_name":"Gerald L. Rocha, Sr."},{"id":"seg_95289_1013","meeting_id":"95289","media_asset_id":"med_95289_f20119687f337fb8","agenda_item_id":null,"speaker_id":"off_roy_sudler_jr","speaker_confidence":1,"start_sec":13951.5,"end_sec":13952.59,"text":"I'm amenable to that.","topics_json":"[]","vector_id":"vec_seg_95289_1013","created_at":"2026-10-31T07:37:18Z","speaker_name":"Roy Sudler, Jr."},{"id":"seg_95289_1014","meeting_id":"95289","media_asset_id":"med_95289_f20119687f337fb8","agenda_item_id":null,"speaker_id":"off_andre_m_boggerty","speaker_confidence":1,"start_sec":13952.59,"end_sec":13953.67,"text":"Does the seconder agree?","topics_json":"[]","vector_id":"vec_seg_95289_1014","created_at":"2026-10-31T07:37:18Z","speaker_name":"Andre M. Boggerty"},{"id":"seg_95289_1015","meeting_id":"95289","media_asset_id":"med_95289_f20119687f337fb8","agenda_item_id":null,"speaker_id":"off_donyale_m_hall","speaker_confidence":1,"start_sec":13953.67,"end_sec":13954.83,"text":"Hall seconds, so.","topics_json":"[]","vector_id":"vec_seg_95289_1015","created_at":"2026-10-31T07:37:18Z","speaker_name":"Donyale M. Hall"},{"id":"seg_95289_1016","meeting_id":"95289","media_asset_id":"med_95289_f20119687f337fb8","agenda_item_id":null,"speaker_id":"off_andre_m_boggerty","speaker_confidence":1,"start_sec":13955.14,"end_sec":13959.08,"text":"All right. Discussion? Yes. Uh, Council President.","topics_json":"[]","vector_id":"vec_seg_95289_1016","created_at":"2026-10-31T07:37:18Z","speaker_name":"Andre M. Boggerty"},{"id":"seg_95289_1017","meeting_id":"95289","media_asset_id":"med_95289_f20119687f337fb8","agenda_item_id":null,"speaker_id":"off_fred_a_neil","speaker_confidence":1,"start_sec":13959.08,"end_sec":13959.08,"text":"Thank you. Uh, this is a- is going down to a uh uh Alice in the in the in uh in the Wonderland, going down the rabbit hole, because if unless we do the reconsideration, if he's accepting it, does that mean that we are going to automatically regrade and reclassify...","topics_json":"[]","vector_id":"vec_seg_95289_1017","created_at":"2026-10-31T07:37:18Z","speaker_name":"Fred A. Neil"},{"id":"seg_95289_1018","meeting_id":"95289","media_asset_id":"med_95289_f20119687f337fb8","agenda_item_id":null,"speaker_id":"off_fred_a_neil","speaker_confidence":0.95,"start_sec":13959.08,"end_sec":13969.69,"text":"justify. We don't know that yet. So if he accepts it, does that mean that's automatic that we're regrading based on what was negotiated? So that's an unknown as far as I'm concerned, we don't know that. I yield.","topics_json":"[]","vector_id":"vec_seg_95289_1018","created_at":"2026-10-31T07:37:18Z","speaker_name":"Fred A. 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Fine. Thank you. Okay, is there question, discussion, or Yeah, Councilman Rocha.","topics_json":"[]","vector_id":"vec_seg_95289_1056","created_at":"2026-10-31T07:37:18Z","speaker_name":"Roy Sudler, Jr."},{"id":"seg_95289_1057","meeting_id":"95289","media_asset_id":"med_95289_f20119687f337fb8","agenda_item_id":null,"speaker_id":"off_gerald_l_rocha_sr","speaker_confidence":0.95,"start_sec":14382.05,"end_sec":14424.03,"text":"Uh yes. Um the the sump pump, let's say someone is discharging directly in, how long It says you get evidence from the accredited laboratory, we know how much that costs and how often does that have to be? Like it says it expires. I couldn't find out how long. Is it for a year, or you know, what's...","topics_json":"[]","vector_id":"vec_seg_95289_1057","created_at":"2026-10-31T07:37:18Z","speaker_name":"Gerald L. 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And you know how to reach me.","topics_json":"[]","vector_id":"vec_seg_95289_106","created_at":"2026-10-31T07:37:16Z","speaker_name":"Marilyn Smith"},{"id":"seg_95289_1060","meeting_id":"95289","media_asset_id":"med_95289_f20119687f337fb8","agenda_item_id":null,"speaker_id":"spk_95289_eddie_kopp","speaker_confidence":0.95,"start_sec":14445.7,"end_sec":14477.25,"text":"So if we if we find it, we suspect it's anything other than storm water discharge, we would require the testing of it, uh, just to make sure we're in compliance with the MS4 permit.","topics_json":"[]","vector_id":"vec_seg_95289_1060","created_at":"2026-10-31T07:37:18Z","speaker_name":"Eddie Kopp"},{"id":"seg_95289_1061","meeting_id":"95289","media_asset_id":"med_95289_f20119687f337fb8","agenda_item_id":null,"speaker_id":"off_gerald_l_rocha_sr","speaker_confidence":0.95,"start_sec":14477.56,"end_sec":14489.42,"text":"Oh okay. I I I thought I I thought I was taking it as if you know your sump pump is going in that, um, that you would have to go get it tested now, and it would be good for a certain amount of time or something like that. But that that Thank you for the clarity. I yield.","topics_json":"[]","vector_id":"vec_seg_95289_1061","created_at":"2026-10-31T07:37:18Z","speaker_name":"Gerald L. Rocha, Sr."},{"id":"seg_95289_1062","meeting_id":"95289","media_asset_id":"med_95289_f20119687f337fb8","agenda_item_id":null,"speaker_id":"off_roy_sudler_jr","speaker_confidence":0.95,"start_sec":14489.98,"end_sec":14495.01,"text":"Thank you, Councilman. Anyone else? All right, is there a motion, then?","topics_json":"[]","vector_id":"vec_seg_95289_1062","created_at":"2026-10-31T07:37:18Z","speaker_name":"Roy Sudler, Jr."},{"id":"seg_95289_1063","meeting_id":"95289","media_asset_id":"med_95289_f20119687f337fb8","agenda_item_id":null,"speaker_id":"off_fred_a_neil","speaker_confidence":0.95,"start_sec":14495.57,"end_sec":14501.28,"text":"Neil moves for staff recommendations proposed uh forward proposed Ordinance 2025-17 to the City Council for approval.","topics_json":"[]","vector_id":"vec_seg_95289_1063","created_at":"2026-10-31T07:37:18Z","speaker_name":"Fred A. Neil"},{"id":"seg_95289_1064","meeting_id":"95289","media_asset_id":"med_95289_f20119687f337fb8","agenda_item_id":null,"speaker_id":"off_tricia_k_arndt","speaker_confidence":0.95,"start_sec":14501.47,"end_sec":14501.9,"text":"Second.","topics_json":"[]","vector_id":"vec_seg_95289_1064","created_at":"2026-10-31T07:37:18Z","speaker_name":"Tricia K. 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Have a good evening.","topics_json":"[]","vector_id":"vec_seg_95289_1069","created_at":"2026-10-31T07:37:18Z","speaker_name":"Jason Lyon"},{"id":"seg_95289_107","meeting_id":"95289","media_asset_id":"med_95289_f20119687f337fb8","agenda_item_id":null,"speaker_id":"off_donyale_m_hall","speaker_confidence":0.85,"start_sec":1817.86,"end_sec":1819.36,"text":"I got your business card, I'll take- I do.","topics_json":"[]","vector_id":"vec_seg_95289_107","created_at":"2026-10-31T07:37:16Z","speaker_name":"Donyale M. 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First of all, you've all read the staff substitute, and then there are a couple of clarifying amendments. An amendment that was clarifying amendment that was basically submitted by Dr. Sudler, which are considered friendly amendments by the author.","topics_json":"[\"public_safety\"]","vector_id":"vec_seg_95289_1073","created_at":"2026-10-31T07:37:18Z","speaker_name":"David L. Anderson"},{"id":"seg_95289_1074","meeting_id":"95289","media_asset_id":"med_95289_f20119687f337fb8","agenda_item_id":null,"speaker_id":"off_david_l_anderson","speaker_confidence":0.95,"start_sec":14629.94,"end_sec":14679.62,"text":"And those amendments are to ensure that just to ensure that what is implied is is spelled out: that sidewalks, private property, and and other pedestrian walkways are not are are not to be construed as covered by this. And also the fines and fees that the of course, we'd already had that the officer has discretion and that stays, but it says that the first time it is a it is now mandatory that the first time be a written warning, $15 for the second, and then the staff recommended 50 would only kick in at the third. Thank you. All right. Mr. Hugg?","topics_json":"[\"public_safety\"]","vector_id":"vec_seg_95289_1074","created_at":"2026-10-31T07:37:18Z","speaker_name":"David L. Anderson"},{"id":"seg_95289_1075","meeting_id":"95289","media_asset_id":"med_95289_f20119687f337fb8","agenda_item_id":null,"speaker_id":"spk_95289_dave_hugg","speaker_confidence":0.95,"start_sec":14679.93,"end_sec":14733.96,"text":"Thank you, Councilman Anderson. This is basically a redrafting of the ordinance that was originally presented to Council. It incorporates the amendments that were recommended from that last consideration and clarifies a couple of couple of points. And then there are, as you indicated, a couple of I guess they're Council amendments. One removing sidewalks, property, private property, and other pedestrian walkways, and let me see the other one. I think they had the change in the penalty section.","topics_json":"[\"public_safety\"]","vector_id":"vec_seg_95289_1075","created_at":"2026-10-31T07:37:18Z","speaker_name":"Dave Hugg"},{"id":"seg_95289_1076","meeting_id":"95289","media_asset_id":"med_95289_f20119687f337fb8","agenda_item_id":null,"speaker_id":"spk_95289_dave_hugg","speaker_confidence":0.95,"start_sec":14733.96,"end_sec":14745.51,"text":"I don't know what else I can say about the ordinance. I mean, we've presented it to you. It hasn't changed substantially from what we did what you originally looked at, except that it cleans up a little bit of the language, and, you know, flopped a couple of the—","topics_json":"[\"public_safety\"]","vector_id":"vec_seg_95289_1076","created_at":"2026-10-31T07:37:18Z","speaker_name":"Dave Hugg"},{"id":"seg_95289_1077","meeting_id":"95289","media_asset_id":"med_95289_f20119687f337fb8","agenda_item_id":null,"speaker_id":"spk_95289_unknown_speaker","speaker_confidence":0.5,"start_sec":14745.51,"end_sec":14748.86,"text":"paragraphs to get better order and and and I don't know what else I would what else","topics_json":"[]","vector_id":"vec_seg_95289_1077","created_at":"2026-10-31T07:37:18Z","speaker_name":null},{"id":"seg_95289_1078","meeting_id":"95289","media_asset_id":"med_95289_f20119687f337fb8","agenda_item_id":null,"speaker_id":"off_andre_m_boggerty","speaker_confidence":0.95,"start_sec":14748.86,"end_sec":14752.28,"text":"Thank you. Sounds good. Um, Chief, did you have anything you wanted to add?","topics_json":"[]","vector_id":"vec_seg_95289_1078","created_at":"2026-10-31T07:37:18Z","speaker_name":"Andre M. Boggerty"},{"id":"seg_95289_1079","meeting_id":"95289","media_asset_id":"med_95289_f20119687f337fb8","agenda_item_id":null,"speaker_id":"spk_95289_tom_johnson","speaker_confidence":0.95,"start_sec":14752.28,"end_sec":14754.39,"text":"Can you hear us, Zack? Yes, sir.","topics_json":"[]","vector_id":"vec_seg_95289_1079","created_at":"2026-10-31T07:37:18Z","speaker_name":"Tom Johnson"},{"id":"seg_95289_108","meeting_id":"95289","media_asset_id":"med_95289_f20119687f337fb8","agenda_item_id":null,"speaker_id":"spk_95289_marilyn_smith","speaker_confidence":0.95,"start_sec":1819.36,"end_sec":1822.86,"text":"You know how to reach me, and so our team is happy to walk you through that.","topics_json":"[]","vector_id":"vec_seg_95289_108","created_at":"2026-10-31T07:37:16Z","speaker_name":"Marilyn Smith"},{"id":"seg_95289_1080","meeting_id":"95289","media_asset_id":"med_95289_f20119687f337fb8","agenda_item_id":null,"speaker_id":"spk_95289_tom_johnson","speaker_confidence":0.95,"start_sec":14754.39,"end_sec":14817.24,"text":"Again, for the record, Tom Johnson, Chief of Police. As as far as the police department's position on this is, our concern is the traffic safety component. And for I guess to respect Dr. Sudler's let alteration that happened in the last version, we're very comfortable with the with the warning. We just need the mechanism to get people out of harm's way. There's really no interest in trying to see how many people we can cite, and I would probably venture to suggest to council that you'd have to be unlucky enough to have the same cop see you two times in very short order, but you might get nine warnings because each cop is going to be encountering you for the first time. So there's it's probably going to be a long time before you see any significant amount of enforcement action on this, just having the mechanism to direct the person out of harm's way is really the tool that the working officer needs.","topics_json":"[\"public_safety\"]","vector_id":"vec_seg_95289_1080","created_at":"2026-10-31T07:37:18Z","speaker_name":"Tom Johnson"},{"id":"seg_95289_1081","meeting_id":"95289","media_asset_id":"med_95289_f20119687f337fb8","agenda_item_id":null,"speaker_id":"off_andre_m_boggerty","speaker_confidence":0.95,"start_sec":14817.24,"end_sec":14871.2,"text":"Thank you. That's, that's definitely fair. I appreciate that, and uh I would also uh like members to uh look at uh that they have uh literally um a couple hundred people, mostly from Dover, not from Wilmington, etc. That's that's uh that are there. So we have this right there, and there's um more coming. So, thank you. Uh now at this time, we're going to uh recognize members for questions. Councilman Lewis, and then Council President Neil.","topics_json":"[\"public_safety\"]","vector_id":"vec_seg_95289_1081","created_at":"2026-10-31T07:37:18Z","speaker_name":"Andre M. Boggerty"},{"id":"seg_95289_1082","meeting_id":"95289","media_asset_id":"med_95289_f20119687f337fb8","agenda_item_id":null,"speaker_id":"off_brian_e_lewis","speaker_confidence":0.95,"start_sec":14871.2,"end_sec":14933.18,"text":"I've been asked uh by uh some of my constituents in the Second District to bring this up this evening. Um some of them have concerns uh with regard to the uh issuing of tickets uh to individuals uh standing in the median, uh whatever they may be doing. And uh one of the things they wanted me to bring up, and I don't know if it could be maybe uh uh implemented um in the ordinance or such, but uh they had asked me to uh question the Chief on what his position would be on having warning signs there instead of issuing tickets. For instance, uh a sign in the median uh saying no panhandling. Uh could you give me uh your opinion on that? Because my constituents have contacted me, many of them, and uh wanted me to ask that question this evening.","topics_json":"[\"public_safety\"]","vector_id":"vec_seg_95289_1082","created_at":"2026-10-31T07:37:18Z","speaker_name":"Brian E. Lewis"},{"id":"seg_95289_1083","meeting_id":"95289","media_asset_id":"med_95289_f20119687f337fb8","agenda_item_id":null,"speaker_id":"spk_95289_tom_johnson","speaker_confidence":0.95,"start_sec":14933.18,"end_sec":14942.12,"text":"Again, for the record, Tom Johnson, Chief of Police. Um a sign that says no panhandling, and uh this would be a moment where I wished Mr. Griffith was here, but my understanding and knowledge that","topics_json":"[\"public_safety\"]","vector_id":"vec_seg_95289_1083","created_at":"2026-10-31T07:37:18Z","speaker_name":"Tom Johnson"},{"id":"seg_95289_1084","meeting_id":"95289","media_asset_id":"med_95289_f20119687f337fb8","agenda_item_id":null,"speaker_id":"spk_95289_thomas_johnson","speaker_confidence":0.95,"start_sec":14942.12,"end_sec":14952.42,"text":"Panhandling is a protected right, so to put a sign up that says no panhandling, I think there could be a First Amendment challenge to that.","topics_json":"[\"public_safety\",\"homelessness\"]","vector_id":"vec_seg_95289_1084","created_at":"2026-10-31T07:37:18Z","speaker_name":"Thomas Johnson"},{"id":"seg_95289_1085","meeting_id":"95289","media_asset_id":"med_95289_f20119687f337fb8","agenda_item_id":null,"speaker_id":"off_brian_e_lewis","speaker_confidence":0.95,"start_sec":14952.42,"end_sec":14963.42,"text":"Let me interrupt you for a minute there. Let me correct that. Instead of panhandling, no standing. No standing on the median. Let me let me correct that, and withdraw the word panhandling, my mistake.","topics_json":"[\"public_safety\",\"homelessness\"]","vector_id":"vec_seg_95289_1085","created_at":"2026-10-31T07:37:18Z","speaker_name":"Brian E. Lewis"},{"id":"seg_95289_1086","meeting_id":"95289","media_asset_id":"med_95289_f20119687f337fb8","agenda_item_id":null,"speaker_id":"spk_95289_thomas_johnson","speaker_confidence":0.95,"start_sec":14963.42,"end_sec":14977.62,"text":"Oh, right, okay. Yeah, if if you were to put a no stopping or standing sign, which is not an unusual sign to see in in traffic safety, as long as there was an ordinance to back that up, um we would just enforce that.","topics_json":"[\"public_safety\"]","vector_id":"vec_seg_95289_1086","created_at":"2026-10-31T07:37:18Z","speaker_name":"Thomas Johnson"},{"id":"seg_95289_1087","meeting_id":"95289","media_asset_id":"med_95289_f20119687f337fb8","agenda_item_id":null,"speaker_id":"off_brian_e_lewis","speaker_confidence":0.95,"start_sec":14977.62,"end_sec":14978.72,"text":"So you-","topics_json":"[\"public_safety\"]","vector_id":"vec_seg_95289_1087","created_at":"2026-10-31T07:37:18Z","speaker_name":"Brian E. Lewis"},{"id":"seg_95289_1088","meeting_id":"95289","media_asset_id":"med_95289_f20119687f337fb8","agenda_item_id":null,"speaker_id":"spk_95289_thomas_johnson","speaker_confidence":0.95,"start_sec":14978.72,"end_sec":14980.92,"text":"At at whatever pleasure Council puts in the ordinance.","topics_json":"[\"public_safety\"]","vector_id":"vec_seg_95289_1088","created_at":"2026-10-31T07:37:18Z","speaker_name":"Thomas Johnson"},{"id":"seg_95289_1089","meeting_id":"95289","media_asset_id":"med_95289_f20119687f337fb8","agenda_item_id":null,"speaker_id":"off_brian_e_lewis","speaker_confidence":0.95,"start_sec":14980.92,"end_sec":15002.02,"text":"Well, the question that they wanted me to ask was, uh, what would your opinion be on putting a no standing, um no stopping on the median right there in the center where some have been accused of of standing and such, opposed to issuing them tickets?","topics_json":"[\"public_safety\",\"homelessness\"]","vector_id":"vec_seg_95289_1089","created_at":"2026-10-31T07:37:18Z","speaker_name":"Brian E. Lewis"},{"id":"seg_95289_109","meeting_id":"95289","media_asset_id":"med_95289_f20119687f337fb8","agenda_item_id":null,"speaker_id":"off_donyale_m_hall","speaker_confidence":0.85,"start_sec":1822.86,"end_sec":1824.26,"text":"All right. 'Kay.","topics_json":"[]","vector_id":"vec_seg_95289_109","created_at":"2026-10-31T07:37:16Z","speaker_name":"Donyale M. Hall"},{"id":"seg_95289_1090","meeting_id":"95289","media_asset_id":"med_95289_f20119687f337fb8","agenda_item_id":null,"speaker_id":"spk_95289_thomas_johnson","speaker_confidence":0.95,"start_sec":15002.02,"end_sec":15061.12,"text":"Well, for, um for a sign to have any ability, uh you- when when you're interacting with the public and there's a local rule or a state law or whatever the standard is that we're trying to enforce, you have to have a mechanism to gain compliance. So if we had signs, but the only thing that we could do was would be give warnings","topics_json":"[\"public_safety\"]","vector_id":"vec_seg_95289_1090","created_at":"2026-10-31T07:37:18Z","speaker_name":"Thomas Johnson"},{"id":"seg_95289_1091","meeting_id":"95289","media_asset_id":"med_95289_f20119687f337fb8","agenda_item_id":null,"speaker_id":"spk_95289_thomas_johnson","speaker_confidence":0.95,"start_sec":15061.12,"end_sec":15100.92,"text":"for those that don't comply, my question back to Council would be is, okay Council, what do you want me to do now? Because they're not they're not respecting your ordinance or your request that nobody stops or stands there. So I would I would come back to Council looking for direction once I was able to assess that people were like, 'No, I don't hear your- yeah, I hear your warning, but you can't make me.' And, you know, we're not going to go to war over that, um so then I'm just- they're going to come to me and say, 'What do I do now, boss?' And I would have to come back to Council and say until you put the ability to cite and do an enforcement action, you probably don't want to waste your time with the sign and and something that only involves a warning.","topics_json":"[\"public_safety\"]","vector_id":"vec_seg_95289_1091","created_at":"2026-10-31T07:37:18Z","speaker_name":"Thomas Johnson"},{"id":"seg_95289_1092","meeting_id":"95289","media_asset_id":"med_95289_f20119687f337fb8","agenda_item_id":null,"speaker_id":"off_brian_e_lewis","speaker_confidence":0.95,"start_sec":15100.92,"end_sec":15117.82,"text":"Well, what makes you think that's not going to happen now if this uh so-called proposed ordinance is passed? Uh you're going to issue a $10 ticket, but uh it's not an arrestable offense. So are the police going to be physically able to remove that person on a city ordinance from the median?","topics_json":"[\"public_safety\",\"homelessness\"]","vector_id":"vec_seg_95289_1092","created_at":"2026-10-31T07:37:18Z","speaker_name":"Brian E. Lewis"},{"id":"seg_95289_1093","meeting_id":"95289","media_asset_id":"med_95289_f20119687f337fb8","agenda_item_id":null,"speaker_id":"spk_95289_thomas_johnson","speaker_confidence":0.95,"start_sec":15117.82,"end_sec":15138.72,"text":"When you start out with any ordinance violation to gain compliance, not only does the enforcement action have to occur, but you also have to abate whatever the condition is. So you can literally physically arrest someone on a local ordinance violation if they fail to comply with the ordinance after you speak to them. Whether you're giving a warning, whether you're going to charge them, they still have to comply. The charging document is to start the um process in motion for them to have their day in court uh if they'd like to have it, but you still have to comply with the officer, and the officer would be authorized to do whatever is necessary to gain compliance, which is always my concern whenever we talk about taking a strong posture with low-level offenses, because sometimes you get that confrontation with someone says, 'Hey, you know what? Today's the day I'm going to take this on, and I'm going to use everything at my disposal.' And then that compels the officer to do what they have to do to do their due diligence-","topics_json":"[\"public_safety\"]","vector_id":"vec_seg_95289_1093","created_at":"2026-10-31T07:37:18Z","speaker_name":"Thomas Johnson"},{"id":"seg_95289_1094","meeting_id":"95289","media_asset_id":"med_95289_f20119687f337fb8","agenda_item_id":null,"speaker_id":"spk_95289_thomas_johnson","speaker_confidence":0.9,"start_sec":15138.72,"end_sec":15165.06,"text":"to do their duty. Now please understand that that's the exception, that's not the norm, but it's not outside the realm of of possibility. So, I I My answer to you is would be roughly the same answer to any low level ordinance that this council has already adopted and put into offense uh effect in any of the offenses section of the city code. We're just going to take the same tact that we would in enforcing any other ordinance, and I will tell you that in most cases, we get compliance. People might not be happy, but most people don't want to physically take on a working police officer, so they follow our advice and say, \"Hey, if you don't If you think I'm wrong, let's go to court, and we'll let the judge decide.\"","topics_json":"[\"public_safety\"]","vector_id":"vec_seg_95289_1094","created_at":"2026-10-31T07:37:18Z","speaker_name":"Thomas Johnson"},{"id":"seg_95289_1095","meeting_id":"95289","media_asset_id":"med_95289_f20119687f337fb8","agenda_item_id":null,"speaker_id":"off_brian_e_lewis","speaker_confidence":0.95,"start_sec":15165.13,"end_sec":15168.39,"text":"But technically, don't your officers currently have that power under Title 21?","topics_json":"[\"public_safety\"]","vector_id":"vec_seg_95289_1095","created_at":"2026-10-31T07:37:18Z","speaker_name":"Brian E. Lewis"},{"id":"seg_95289_1096","meeting_id":"95289","media_asset_id":"med_95289_f20119687f337fb8","agenda_item_id":null,"speaker_id":"spk_95289_thomas_johnson","speaker_confidence":0.9,"start_sec":15168.45,"end_sec":15229.21,"text":"It depends. It depends on exactly what they're doing and, by technical definition of the law, on the median strip you have to be either crossing the street or temporarily stopping while there's a light cycle going on so you can finish crossing the street. There is no um piece about pitching a a tent, setting up your wheelchair, whatever it is that you're doing in the middle of the median because now you want to start soliciting for money. It's a first first amendment protected conduct right. But the idea of being in there it's on the books that we could enforce something, but it's not the inclination of the attorney general or the courts to stand behind that particular statute that everybody keeps bringing up. So, it's a It's It's a It's a dichotomy there because, yeah, it's on the books, but we're not enforcing it because it's not being supported.","topics_json":"[\"public_safety\",\"homelessness\"]","vector_id":"vec_seg_95289_1096","created_at":"2026-10-31T07:37:18Z","speaker_name":"Thomas Johnson"},{"id":"seg_95289_1097","meeting_id":"95289","media_asset_id":"med_95289_f20119687f337fb8","agenda_item_id":null,"speaker_id":"off_brian_e_lewis","speaker_confidence":0.95,"start_sec":15229.41,"end_sec":15234.68,"text":"No, I I read all that, and I'm aware of it, but your officers do have that authority right now under Title 21 to do that if they wanted to, correct?","topics_json":"[\"public_safety\"]","vector_id":"vec_seg_95289_1097","created_at":"2026-10-31T07:37:18Z","speaker_name":"Brian E. Lewis"},{"id":"seg_95289_1098","meeting_id":"95289","media_asset_id":"med_95289_f20119687f337fb8","agenda_item_id":null,"speaker_id":"spk_95289_thomas_johnson","speaker_confidence":0.9,"start_sec":15234.76,"end_sec":15264.64,"text":"If it was being prosecuted and if the judges would be allowing it, yes. But right now politically that's not reality.","topics_json":"[\"public_safety\"]","vector_id":"vec_seg_95289_1098","created_at":"2026-10-31T07:37:18Z","speaker_name":"Thomas Johnson"},{"id":"seg_95289_1099","meeting_id":"95289","media_asset_id":"med_95289_f20119687f337fb8","agenda_item_id":null,"speaker_id":"off_brian_e_lewis","speaker_confidence":0.95,"start_sec":15265.79,"end_sec":15271.36,"text":"Okay. So, what makes you think, in your personal opinion, that this ordinance is going to have an impact or make a difference?","topics_json":"[\"public_safety\"]","vector_id":"vec_seg_95289_1099","created_at":"2026-10-31T07:37:18Z","speaker_name":"Brian E. Lewis"},{"id":"seg_95289_11","meeting_id":"95289","media_asset_id":"med_95289_f20119687f337fb8","agenda_item_id":null,"speaker_id":"off_fred_a_neil","speaker_confidence":0.95,"start_sec":82.5,"end_sec":86.5,"text":"We're just doing fine. I hope you're feeling better.","topics_json":"[]","vector_id":"vec_seg_95289_11","created_at":"2026-10-31T07:37:16Z","speaker_name":"Fred A. Neil"},{"id":"seg_95289_110","meeting_id":"95289","media_asset_id":"med_95289_f20119687f337fb8","agenda_item_id":null,"speaker_id":"spk_95289_chairman","speaker_confidence":0.7,"start_sec":1826.46,"end_sec":1831.46,"text":"Thank you. The Chair recognizes Councilman Anderson.","topics_json":"[]","vector_id":"vec_seg_95289_110","created_at":"2026-10-31T07:37:16Z","speaker_name":null},{"id":"seg_95289_1100","meeting_id":"95289","media_asset_id":"med_95289_f20119687f337fb8","agenda_item_id":null,"speaker_id":"spk_95289_thomas_johnson","speaker_confidence":0.9,"start_sec":15271.46,"end_sec":15282.59,"text":"Because you are the local authority giving us the authority to exercise this. This is a local law, not a state law. So, I am now empowered to follow through at the at the local level with an ordinance rather than using a state citation or citing the state code.","topics_json":"[\"public_safety\"]","vector_id":"vec_seg_95289_1100","created_at":"2026-10-31T07:37:18Z","speaker_name":"Thomas Johnson"},{"id":"seg_95289_1101","meeting_id":"95289","media_asset_id":"med_95289_f20119687f337fb8","agenda_item_id":null,"speaker_id":"off_brian_e_lewis","speaker_confidence":0.95,"start_sec":15282.81,"end_sec":15297.55,"text":"But you are aware, as we previously discussed, that it's worth a traffic ticket. It's a $10 fine, and if they don't pay it, you can accumulate 50 of them and nothing's going to happen. The person can go out there everyday for 50, 30, 60 days, whatever the case may be, and the police officers can issue a ticket everyday,","topics_json":"[\"public_safety\"]","vector_id":"vec_seg_95289_1101","created_at":"2026-10-31T07:37:18Z","speaker_name":"Brian E. Lewis"},{"id":"seg_95289_1102","meeting_id":"95289","media_asset_id":"med_95289_f20119687f337fb8","agenda_item_id":null,"speaker_id":"spk_95289_thomas_johnson","speaker_confidence":0.9,"start_sec":15297.6,"end_sec":15297.95,"text":"Right.","topics_json":"[\"public_safety\"]","vector_id":"vec_seg_95289_1102","created_at":"2026-10-31T07:37:18Z","speaker_name":"Thomas Johnson"},{"id":"seg_95289_1103","meeting_id":"95289","media_asset_id":"med_95289_f20119687f337fb8","agenda_item_id":null,"speaker_id":"off_brian_e_lewis","speaker_confidence":0.95,"start_sec":15297.99,"end_sec":15332.67,"text":"but nothing's going to happen of it because you can't issue a capias, it's not a criminal offense, and uh the worst uh you can hand it over to the finance department, and they could give it to collections, which is going to cost us money. So,","topics_json":"[\"public_safety\",\"budget\"]","vector_id":"vec_seg_95289_1103","created_at":"2026-10-31T07:37:18Z","speaker_name":"Brian E. Lewis"},{"id":"seg_95289_1104","meeting_id":"95289","media_asset_id":"med_95289_f20119687f337fb8","agenda_item_id":null,"speaker_id":"spk_95289_thomas_johnson","speaker_confidence":0.9,"start_sec":15333.17,"end_sec":15335.33,"text":"Well collections typically they only get paid when they find money, and","topics_json":"[\"budget\"]","vector_id":"vec_seg_95289_1104","created_at":"2026-10-31T07:37:18Z","speaker_name":"Thomas Johnson"},{"id":"seg_95289_1105","meeting_id":"95289","media_asset_id":"med_95289_f20119687f337fb8","agenda_item_id":null,"speaker_id":"spk_95289_thomas_johnson","speaker_confidence":0.95,"start_sec":15335.33,"end_sec":15391.43,"text":"and if we if we can't get it, if anything that they find is actually kind of a bonus. But I to speak to your larger point, sir, you're 100% right. This is This is like the chronic, um, for years someone that's that's got an alcohol problem, and they're publicly intoxicated. And we cite them to get them off the street and get them protected, put them on an intoxe hold. Rarely, if ever, do they ultimately ever pay that fine, but it's a mechanism to address the situation in the moment. So really in essence, that's what this is, is it gives us the ability to address the situation in the moment. And then for the the repeat offenders, yes, the fines go up and things of that nature, but you're 100% right. This is, um, uh a situation where this will be a little bit of a of a hamster wheel, but at least we have the authority to act in the moment, particularly if somebody calls 911 and they're expecting us to do something about the the hazard that they identify.","topics_json":"[\"public_safety\"]","vector_id":"vec_seg_95289_1105","created_at":"2026-10-31T07:37:18Z","speaker_name":"Thomas Johnson"},{"id":"seg_95289_1106","meeting_id":"95289","media_asset_id":"med_95289_f20119687f337fb8","agenda_item_id":null,"speaker_id":"off_brian_e_lewis","speaker_confidence":0.9,"start_sec":15391.43,"end_sec":15398.83,"text":"Okay. I have no further questions at this time. I may resurface back to you, uh, but eventually I'd like to hear from the people out in the public.","topics_json":"[\"public_safety\"]","vector_id":"vec_seg_95289_1106","created_at":"2026-10-31T07:37:18Z","speaker_name":"Brian E. Lewis"},{"id":"seg_95289_1107","meeting_id":"95289","media_asset_id":"med_95289_f20119687f337fb8","agenda_item_id":null,"speaker_id":"off_roy_sudler_jr","speaker_confidence":0.95,"start_sec":15398.83,"end_sec":15406.23,"text":"Thank you. And uh Councilman Neil, and then Councilman uh Rocha.","topics_json":"[]","vector_id":"vec_seg_95289_1107","created_at":"2026-10-31T07:37:18Z","speaker_name":"Roy Sudler, Jr."},{"id":"seg_95289_1108","meeting_id":"95289","media_asset_id":"med_95289_f20119687f337fb8","agenda_item_id":null,"speaker_id":"off_fred_a_neil","speaker_confidence":0.95,"start_sec":15406.23,"end_sec":15409.23,"text":"Chief, I'm sorry, uh please come back.","topics_json":"[]","vector_id":"vec_seg_95289_1108","created_at":"2026-10-31T07:37:18Z","speaker_name":"Fred A. Neil"},{"id":"seg_95289_1109","meeting_id":"95289","media_asset_id":"med_95289_f20119687f337fb8","agenda_item_id":null,"speaker_id":"spk_95289_thomas_johnson","speaker_confidence":0.9,"start_sec":15409.23,"end_sec":15410.63,"text":"No problem, sir.","topics_json":"[]","vector_id":"vec_seg_95289_1109","created_at":"2026-10-31T07:37:18Z","speaker_name":"Thomas Johnson"},{"id":"seg_95289_111","meeting_id":"95289","media_asset_id":"med_95289_f20119687f337fb8","agenda_item_id":null,"speaker_id":"off_david_l_anderson","speaker_confidence":0.95,"start_sec":1832.76,"end_sec":1842.56,"text":"Thank you, Mr. Chairman. I uh first of all, Ms. Smith, thank you so much for coming. It's always uh good to have you here.","topics_json":"[]","vector_id":"vec_seg_95289_111","created_at":"2026-10-31T07:37:16Z","speaker_name":"David L. Anderson"},{"id":"seg_95289_1110","meeting_id":"95289","media_asset_id":"med_95289_f20119687f337fb8","agenda_item_id":null,"speaker_id":"off_fred_a_neil","speaker_confidence":0.95,"start_sec":15410.63,"end_sec":15439.83,"text":"Um, I want to clarify a lot of comments that we have received, uh a lot of the uh the material that has been presented to us uh by uh the people who have come tonight and some who have not. Now, I want to make sure this is clear, that I understand it. You have indicated that panhandling is not uh an a an offense where a person can be addressed for for panhandling. Is that correct?","topics_json":"[\"public_safety\",\"homelessness\"]","vector_id":"vec_seg_95289_1110","created_at":"2026-10-31T07:37:18Z","speaker_name":"Fred A. 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Um, I I forget the name of the decision, but there's a Supreme Court of the United States uh position that panhandling, as long as it's not intimidating, harassing, if as long as it doesn't address another area of criminality, simply asking somebody for money is a is a First Amendment protected activity.","topics_json":"[\"public_safety\",\"homelessness\"]","vector_id":"vec_seg_95289_1111","created_at":"2026-10-31T07:37:18Z","speaker_name":"Thomas Johnson"},{"id":"seg_95289_1112","meeting_id":"95289","media_asset_id":"med_95289_f20119687f337fb8","agenda_item_id":null,"speaker_id":"off_fred_a_neil","speaker_confidence":0.95,"start_sec":15457.03,"end_sec":15462.63,"text":"How often do we arrest someone for panhandling?","topics_json":"[\"public_safety\",\"homelessness\"]","vector_id":"vec_seg_95289_1112","created_at":"2026-10-31T07:37:18Z","speaker_name":"Fred A. Neil"},{"id":"seg_95289_1113","meeting_id":"95289","media_asset_id":"med_95289_f20119687f337fb8","agenda_item_id":null,"speaker_id":"spk_95289_thomas_johnson","speaker_confidence":0.95,"start_sec":15462.63,"end_sec":15464.53,"text":"Hardly ever.","topics_json":"[\"public_safety\"]","vector_id":"vec_seg_95289_1113","created_at":"2026-10-31T07:37:18Z","speaker_name":"Thomas Johnson"},{"id":"seg_95289_1114","meeting_id":"95289","media_asset_id":"med_95289_f20119687f337fb8","agenda_item_id":null,"speaker_id":"off_fred_a_neil","speaker_confidence":0.95,"start_sec":15464.53,"end_sec":15469.73,"text":"Okay. So that is only if they're aggressive, is that correct? And that would be a complaint?","topics_json":"[\"public_safety\"]","vector_id":"vec_seg_95289_1114","created_at":"2026-10-31T07:37:18Z","speaker_name":"Fred A. Neil"},{"id":"seg_95289_1115","meeting_id":"95289","media_asset_id":"med_95289_f20119687f337fb8","agenda_item_id":null,"speaker_id":"spk_95289_thomas_johnson","speaker_confidence":0.95,"start_sec":15469.73,"end_sec":15481.33,"text":"Right, typically you'd have a cooperating complainant that would swear out a statement as to what the conduct was. We'd have to make a judgment call if it if it crossed the line to become aggressive, and then we would address it, but it's a very rare occurrence.","topics_json":"[\"public_safety\"]","vector_id":"vec_seg_95289_1115","created_at":"2026-10-31T07:37:18Z","speaker_name":"Thomas Johnson"},{"id":"seg_95289_1116","meeting_id":"95289","media_asset_id":"med_95289_f20119687f337fb8","agenda_item_id":null,"speaker_id":"off_fred_a_neil","speaker_confidence":0.95,"start_sec":15481.33,"end_sec":15497.83,"text":"Is this uh ordinance against panhandling? Can Does this stop, so or or have you Can you start arresting persons if they're in an intersection for panhandling?","topics_json":"[\"public_safety\",\"homelessness\"]","vector_id":"vec_seg_95289_1116","created_at":"2026-10-31T07:37:18Z","speaker_name":"Fred A. Neil"},{"id":"seg_95289_1117","meeting_id":"95289","media_asset_id":"med_95289_f20119687f337fb8","agenda_item_id":null,"speaker_id":"spk_95289_thomas_johnson","speaker_confidence":0.95,"start_sec":15497.83,"end_sec":15531.93,"text":"Um, I'm I'm not sure uh I'll go back to my my original statement, Mr. Neil, and I think this will help answer I think the question that you're answering. Where We cannot arrest anybody for panhandling no matter where they are. If someone is in the median in proximity to an intersection, which I believe are the essential elements of this ordinance, that would allow us, not about the activity, just the mere fact that they're there and the idea that there's an inherent traffic hazard and a safety risk, and that's all that we're addressing, and that's","topics_json":"[\"public_safety\",\"homelessness\"]","vector_id":"vec_seg_95289_1117","created_at":"2026-10-31T07:37:18Z","speaker_name":"Thomas Johnson"},{"id":"seg_95289_1118","meeting_id":"95289","media_asset_id":"med_95289_f20119687f337fb8","agenda_item_id":null,"speaker_id":"spk_95289_thomas_johnson","speaker_confidence":0.95,"start_sec":15531.94,"end_sec":15558.39,"text":"all I or the police department are standing up for as it relates to this ordinance. The other issues are issues that exist in in other places because it's part of the larger issue of people in at-risk conditions. Folks are going if they want to ask for money from the sidewalk on any property where the property owner doesn't complain about it, um I mean I've been solicited in front of stores, you know, it it it's not just traffic, it's other places. All I'm saying on behalf of the police department is one, we're not arresting anybody for panhandling. We're only trying to clear the high-risk areas of major traffic intersections of people that have no chance if there's a crash.","topics_json":"[\"public_safety\",\"homelessness\"]","vector_id":"vec_seg_95289_1118","created_at":"2026-10-31T07:37:18Z","speaker_name":"Thomas Johnson"},{"id":"seg_95289_1119","meeting_id":"95289","media_asset_id":"med_95289_f20119687f337fb8","agenda_item_id":null,"speaker_id":"off_fred_a_neil","speaker_confidence":0.95,"start_sec":15558.39,"end_sec":15562.56,"text":"Now, I in reading the the document and the penalties, the first penalty is just a warning, is that correct?","topics_json":"[\"public_safety\"]","vector_id":"vec_seg_95289_1119","created_at":"2026-10-31T07:37:18Z","speaker_name":"Fred A. Neil"},{"id":"seg_95289_112","meeting_id":"95289","media_asset_id":"med_95289_f20119687f337fb8","agenda_item_id":null,"speaker_id":"spk_95289_marilyn_smith","speaker_confidence":0.95,"start_sec":1842.56,"end_sec":1843.46,"text":"Thank you.","topics_json":"[]","vector_id":"vec_seg_95289_112","created_at":"2026-10-31T07:37:16Z","speaker_name":"Marilyn Smith"},{"id":"seg_95289_1120","meeting_id":"95289","media_asset_id":"med_95289_f20119687f337fb8","agenda_item_id":null,"speaker_id":"spk_95289_thomas_johnson","speaker_confidence":0.95,"start_sec":15562.56,"end_sec":15563.98,"text":"Yeah, that's that's that's-","topics_json":"[\"public_safety\"]","vector_id":"vec_seg_95289_1120","created_at":"2026-10-31T07:37:18Z","speaker_name":"Thomas Johnson"},{"id":"seg_95289_1121","meeting_id":"95289","media_asset_id":"med_95289_f20119687f337fb8","agenda_item_id":null,"speaker_id":"off_fred_a_neil","speaker_confidence":0.95,"start_sec":15563.98,"end_sec":15565.23,"text":"That That's what's in the Well, that's what's in here. Okay.","topics_json":"[\"public_safety\"]","vector_id":"vec_seg_95289_1121","created_at":"2026-10-31T07:37:18Z","speaker_name":"Fred A. Neil"},{"id":"seg_95289_1122","meeting_id":"95289","media_asset_id":"med_95289_f20119687f337fb8","agenda_item_id":null,"speaker_id":"spk_95289_thomas_johnson","speaker_confidence":0.95,"start_sec":15565.23,"end_sec":15594.91,"text":"And even if it wasn't in the uh in the ordinance, sir, uh that's just basically our MO. We always start out on low-level offenses with some type of a warning.","topics_json":"[\"public_safety\"]","vector_id":"vec_seg_95289_1122","created_at":"2026-10-31T07:37:18Z","speaker_name":"Thomas Johnson"},{"id":"seg_95289_1123","meeting_id":"95289","media_asset_id":"med_95289_f20119687f337fb8","agenda_item_id":null,"speaker_id":"off_fred_a_neil","speaker_confidence":0.95,"start_sec":15594.91,"end_sec":15596.65,"text":"I thank you, Chief. I yield.","topics_json":"[\"public_safety\"]","vector_id":"vec_seg_95289_1123","created_at":"2026-10-31T07:37:18Z","speaker_name":"Fred A. Neil"},{"id":"seg_95289_1124","meeting_id":"95289","media_asset_id":"med_95289_f20119687f337fb8","agenda_item_id":null,"speaker_id":"off_david_l_anderson","speaker_confidence":0.95,"start_sec":15596.65,"end_sec":15599.51,"text":"Thank you. Uh, Councilman Rocha.","topics_json":"[]","vector_id":"vec_seg_95289_1124","created_at":"2026-10-31T07:37:18Z","speaker_name":"David L. Anderson"},{"id":"seg_95289_1125","meeting_id":"95289","media_asset_id":"med_95289_f20119687f337fb8","agenda_item_id":null,"speaker_id":"off_gerald_l_rocha_sr","speaker_confidence":0.95,"start_sec":15599.51,"end_sec":15611.74,"text":"Yes, thank you uh, Chairman Anderson. Uh Chief, uh I'm looking here at Section 106-139, dash, C-E, Section A uh where it says limitation of occupancy-","topics_json":"[\"public_safety\"]","vector_id":"vec_seg_95289_1125","created_at":"2026-10-31T07:37:18Z","speaker_name":"Gerald L. Rocha, Sr."},{"id":"seg_95289_1126","meeting_id":"95289","media_asset_id":"med_95289_f20119687f337fb8","agenda_item_id":null,"speaker_id":"off_gerald_l_rocha_sr","speaker_confidence":0.95,"start_sec":15611.74,"end_sec":15623.66,"text":"of medians or the adjacent roadway at intersections serves to prevent driver distraction, traffic congestion, congestion, uh delay of traffic, and accidents, especially on median strips um or the in the roadway itself.","topics_json":"[\"public_safety\"]","vector_id":"vec_seg_95289_1126","created_at":"2026-10-31T07:37:18Z","speaker_name":"Gerald L. Rocha, Sr."},{"id":"seg_95289_1127","meeting_id":"95289","media_asset_id":"med_95289_f20119687f337fb8","agenda_item_id":null,"speaker_id":"off_gerald_l_rocha_sr","speaker_confidence":0.95,"start_sec":15623.66,"end_sec":15630,"text":"My I need a definition or if you could explain what the adjacent roadway at intersections, what that means.","topics_json":"[\"public_safety\"]","vector_id":"vec_seg_95289_1127","created_at":"2026-10-31T07:37:18Z","speaker_name":"Gerald L. Rocha, Sr."},{"id":"seg_95289_1128","meeting_id":"95289","media_asset_id":"med_95289_f20119687f337fb8","agenda_item_id":null,"speaker_id":"spk_95289_thomas_johnson","speaker_confidence":0.95,"start_sec":15630,"end_sec":15659.74,"text":"Yeah, that would be the con- the connecting street to to the intersection, sir.","topics_json":"[\"public_safety\"]","vector_id":"vec_seg_95289_1128","created_at":"2026-10-31T07:37:18Z","speaker_name":"Thomas Johnson"},{"id":"seg_95289_1129","meeting_id":"95289","media_asset_id":"med_95289_f20119687f337fb8","agenda_item_id":null,"speaker_id":"spk_95289_thomas_johnson","speaker_confidence":0.95,"start_sec":15659.74,"end_sec":15669.24,"text":"So if um if you were to talk about DuPont Highway, um MLK would be the connecting street or any of the other streets that intersect with that main roadway, or that main artery.","topics_json":"[\"public_safety\"]","vector_id":"vec_seg_95289_1129","created_at":"2026-10-31T07:37:18Z","speaker_name":"Thomas Johnson"},{"id":"seg_95289_113","meeting_id":"95289","media_asset_id":"med_95289_f20119687f337fb8","agenda_item_id":null,"speaker_id":"off_david_l_anderson","speaker_confidence":0.95,"start_sec":1843.46,"end_sec":1869.76,"text":"I have a question regarding the um the Dover uh air cargo freight uh study which was a a fine study in 2021. Um, now that we have the new joint use agreement, I was just curious uh do you think it would be useful for that to get a little bit of an update?","topics_json":"[\"business\"]","vector_id":"vec_seg_95289_113","created_at":"2026-10-31T07:37:16Z","speaker_name":"David L. Anderson"},{"id":"seg_95289_1130","meeting_id":"95289","media_asset_id":"med_95289_f20119687f337fb8","agenda_item_id":null,"speaker_id":"off_gerald_l_rocha_sr","speaker_confidence":0.95,"start_sec":15669.24,"end_sec":15680.67,"text":"So um so I understand where it says limited limit- limiting the occupancy of medians. How do we limit occupancy of the adjacent roadway? Would that be Would that be including the sidewalk?","topics_json":"[\"public_safety\"]","vector_id":"vec_seg_95289_1130","created_at":"2026-10-31T07:37:18Z","speaker_name":"Gerald L. Rocha, Sr."},{"id":"seg_95289_1131","meeting_id":"95289","media_asset_id":"med_95289_f20119687f337fb8","agenda_item_id":null,"speaker_id":"spk_95289_thomas_johnson","speaker_confidence":0.95,"start_sec":15680.67,"end_sec":15686.69,"text":"No, sidewalk is um absolutely a um a pedestrian traffic way that's free to everybody to transverse.","topics_json":"[\"public_safety\"]","vector_id":"vec_seg_95289_1131","created_at":"2026-10-31T07:37:18Z","speaker_name":"Thomas Johnson"},{"id":"seg_95289_1132","meeting_id":"95289","media_asset_id":"med_95289_f20119687f337fb8","agenda_item_id":null,"speaker_id":"off_gerald_l_rocha_sr","speaker_confidence":0.95,"start_sec":15686.69,"end_sec":15719.23,"text":"I just don't understand I mean, I understand from the road aspect of it, but I don't understand why that's there.","topics_json":"[\"public_safety\"]","vector_id":"vec_seg_95289_1132","created_at":"2026-10-31T07:37:18Z","speaker_name":"Gerald L. Rocha, Sr."},{"id":"seg_95289_1133","meeting_id":"95289","media_asset_id":"med_95289_f20119687f337fb8","agenda_item_id":null,"speaker_id":"spk_95289_thomas_johnson","speaker_confidence":0.95,"start_sec":15719.23,"end_sec":15721.41,"text":"You You were talking about Subsection A, sir? In 106-139?","topics_json":"[\"public_safety\"]","vector_id":"vec_seg_95289_1133","created_at":"2026-10-31T07:37:18Z","speaker_name":"Thomas Johnson"},{"id":"seg_95289_1134","meeting_id":"95289","media_asset_id":"med_95289_f20119687f337fb8","agenda_item_id":null,"speaker_id":"off_gerald_l_rocha_sr","speaker_confidence":0.95,"start_sec":15721.41,"end_sec":15721.91,"text":"Yes, sir.","topics_json":"[\"public_safety\"]","vector_id":"vec_seg_95289_1134","created_at":"2026-10-31T07:37:18Z","speaker_name":"Gerald L. Rocha, Sr."},{"id":"seg_95289_1135","meeting_id":"95289","media_asset_id":"med_95289_f20119687f337fb8","agenda_item_id":null,"speaker_id":"spk_95289_thomas_johnson","speaker_confidence":0.95,"start_sec":15721.91,"end_sec":15728.55,"text":"Okay. Um I just gave it a second read-through from the beginning: \"Limitation of occupancy of medians or the adjacent roadway.\" Um I'm going to double check and get back to you","topics_json":"[\"public_safety\"]","vector_id":"vec_seg_95289_1135","created_at":"2026-10-31T07:37:18Z","speaker_name":"Thomas Johnson"},{"id":"seg_95289_1136","meeting_id":"95289","media_asset_id":"med_95289_f20119687f337fb8","agenda_item_id":null,"speaker_id":"spk_95289_thomas_johnson","speaker_confidence":0.9,"start_sec":15728.54,"end_sec":15749.34,"text":"but I'm going to I'm going to stick my neck out a little bit and say that there is roadway directly adjacent to the median which is the space between where the physical median stops and the lane of traffic begins, and it's usually marked with a painted line. So that's a pretty narrow strip of earth that's adjacent to the um you know, occupied median or the adjacent roadway. So that's the road surface right next to the median that might not necessarily be in the lane of traffic depending on how DelDOT painted the lines.","topics_json":"[\"public_safety\"]","vector_id":"vec_seg_95289_1136","created_at":"2026-10-31T07:37:18Z","speaker_name":"Thomas Johnson"},{"id":"seg_95289_1137","meeting_id":"95289","media_asset_id":"med_95289_f20119687f337fb8","agenda_item_id":null,"speaker_id":"off_roy_sudler_jr","speaker_confidence":0.95,"start_sec":15749.34,"end_sec":15804.18,"text":"Got it. Got it. Understood now. Okay. Um And then, my next question would be uh and I I I couldn't really determine whether or not that this ordinance um fines the the the folks that are driving and giving money to the panhandler. Uh could somebody, you know, could you share some uh information on that? Because I I tried looking for it. I didn't see where the um the the operator of the car, if they were giving money to the panhandler, where they would be fined as well. What section would that be in?","topics_json":"[\"public_safety\"]","vector_id":"vec_seg_95289_1137","created_at":"2026-10-31T07:37:18Z","speaker_name":"Roy Sudler, Jr."},{"id":"seg_95289_1138","meeting_id":"95289","media_asset_id":"med_95289_f20119687f337fb8","agenda_item_id":null,"speaker_id":"spk_95289_thomas_johnson","speaker_confidence":0.9,"start_sec":15804.18,"end_sec":15838.64,"text":"That's down in um I think you're referring to Section D, sir. Uh, \"No operator of a vehicle shall park, stop, or leave a standing vehicle or permit a passenger to leave it on any city street where prohibited or suddenly decrease the speed of said vehicle or deviate from a traffic lane uh for the purpose of responding to persons violating this ordinance.\" Um that is a reference and and this is um a section that's modeled after another community in Delaware's uh similar ordinance. It's a recognition of the idea that when someone spontaneously decides that they want to address activity that they're seeing on the median, and clearly","topics_json":"[\"public_safety\"]","vector_id":"vec_seg_95289_1138","created_at":"2026-10-31T07:37:18Z","speaker_name":"Thomas Johnson"},{"id":"seg_95289_1139","meeting_id":"95289","media_asset_id":"med_95289_f20119687f337fb8","agenda_item_id":null,"speaker_id":"spk_95289_thomas_johnson","speaker_confidence":0.9,"start_sec":15838.64,"end_sec":15876.4,"text":"uh I think in the vast majority of cases that does bring us back to the idea that when people are requesting money uh or holding a sign and someone's inclined to do that, that suddenly stopping vehicle in and of itself for the motorists behind them that aren't expecting it, that in and of itself becomes the traffic hazard that we're that we're trying to prevent. So if someone wanted to go and do that in order to not be in a violation of this ordinance, their correct behavior would be to go park","topics_json":"[\"public_safety\"]","vector_id":"vec_seg_95289_1139","created_at":"2026-10-31T07:37:18Z","speaker_name":"Thomas Johnson"},{"id":"seg_95289_114","meeting_id":"95289","media_asset_id":"med_95289_f20119687f337fb8","agenda_item_id":null,"speaker_id":"spk_95289_marilyn_smith","speaker_confidence":0.95,"start_sec":1869.76,"end_sec":1906.06,"text":"Um, I have talked to Linda Parkowski at KEP about that. And basically, we, the MPO, we're waiting until between the city and the county you all decide which parcels are going to be kind of prioritized for development first, um because that really, yes, there needs to be a refresh, um an update, but we don't exactly know where to focus until we know where that prioritized development will be. So yeah, it's on my radar, but it's not quite ready yet.","topics_json":"[\"business\",\"zoning\"]","vector_id":"vec_seg_95289_114","created_at":"2026-10-31T07:37:16Z","speaker_name":"Marilyn Smith"},{"id":"seg_95289_1140","meeting_id":"95289","media_asset_id":"med_95289_f20119687f337fb8","agenda_item_id":null,"speaker_id":"spk_95289_thomas_johnson","speaker_confidence":0.9,"start_sec":15876.4,"end_sec":15913.6,"text":"in someplace safe, and then they could they could meet that person. And if they want to give them something, that's fine. But the idea is don't just suddenly stop in the middle of a traffic flow where nobody would be anticipating a vehicle to stop. That way, you don't get a chain reaction uh accident somebody hits you from behind. Um that's generally what that section is designed to address.","topics_json":"[\"public_safety\"]","vector_id":"vec_seg_95289_1140","created_at":"2026-10-31T07:37:18Z","speaker_name":"Thomas Johnson"},{"id":"seg_95289_1141","meeting_id":"95289","media_asset_id":"med_95289_f20119687f337fb8","agenda_item_id":null,"speaker_id":"off_roy_sudler_jr","speaker_confidence":0.95,"start_sec":15913.6,"end_sec":15915.59,"text":"And there's a fine that's attached to that?","topics_json":"[\"public_safety\"]","vector_id":"vec_seg_95289_1141","created_at":"2026-10-31T07:37:18Z","speaker_name":"Roy Sudler, Jr."},{"id":"seg_95289_1142","meeting_id":"95289","media_asset_id":"med_95289_f20119687f337fb8","agenda_item_id":null,"speaker_id":"spk_95289_thomas_johnson","speaker_confidence":0.9,"start_sec":15915.59,"end_sec":15919.13,"text":"Uh I think so in the um in the section down down below. Um","topics_json":"[\"public_safety\"]","vector_id":"vec_seg_95289_1142","created_at":"2026-10-31T07:37:18Z","speaker_name":"Thomas Johnson"},{"id":"seg_95289_1143","meeting_id":"95289","media_asset_id":"med_95289_f20119687f337fb8","agenda_item_id":null,"speaker_id":"off_fred_a_neil","speaker_confidence":0.85,"start_sec":15919.13,"end_sec":15920.24,"text":"It would be a warning first.","topics_json":"[\"public_safety\"]","vector_id":"vec_seg_95289_1143","created_at":"2026-10-31T07:37:18Z","speaker_name":"Fred A. 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I mean, if there was a green light or whatever, I don't think anybody's going to like stop in the turning lane or whatever to try to you know. I I've never seen that.","topics_json":"[\"public_safety\"]","vector_id":"vec_seg_95289_1148","created_at":"2026-10-31T07:37:18Z","speaker_name":"Brian E. Lewis"},{"id":"seg_95289_1149","meeting_id":"95289","media_asset_id":"med_95289_f20119687f337fb8","agenda_item_id":null,"speaker_id":"off_david_l_anderson","speaker_confidence":0.95,"start_sec":15932.9,"end_sec":15934.39,"text":"Actually, that does happen.","topics_json":"[\"public_safety\"]","vector_id":"vec_seg_95289_1149","created_at":"2026-10-31T07:37:18Z","speaker_name":"David L. Anderson"},{"id":"seg_95289_115","meeting_id":"95289","media_asset_id":"med_95289_f20119687f337fb8","agenda_item_id":null,"speaker_id":"off_david_l_anderson","speaker_confidence":0.95,"start_sec":1906.06,"end_sec":1924.46,"text":"Understood. I I thank you for that. And um if you were looking at uh if and also back uh in 2022 was the uh East-West Freight Routes Phase uh 1. Um is there any update on...","topics_json":"[\"business\"]","vector_id":"vec_seg_95289_115","created_at":"2026-10-31T07:37:16Z","speaker_name":"David L. Anderson"},{"id":"seg_95289_1150","meeting_id":"95289","media_asset_id":"med_95289_f20119687f337fb8","agenda_item_id":null,"speaker_id":"off_roy_sudler_jr","speaker_confidence":0.95,"start_sec":15936.52,"end_sec":15937.59,"text":"Order.","topics_json":"[]","vector_id":"vec_seg_95289_1150","created_at":"2026-10-31T07:37:18Z","speaker_name":"Roy Sudler, Jr."},{"id":"seg_95289_1151","meeting_id":"95289","media_asset_id":"med_95289_f20119687f337fb8","agenda_item_id":null,"speaker_id":"off_david_l_anderson","speaker_confidence":0.95,"start_sec":15938.51,"end_sec":15943.2,"text":"Um, for the record, the for the record, the Chief of Police is not inventing observed behavior that he has seen himself in the presence of Council.","topics_json":"[\"public_safety\"]","vector_id":"vec_seg_95289_1151","created_at":"2026-10-31T07:37:18Z","speaker_name":"David L. Anderson"},{"id":"seg_95289_1152","meeting_id":"95289","media_asset_id":"med_95289_f20119687f337fb8","agenda_item_id":null,"speaker_id":"off_roy_sudler_jr","speaker_confidence":0.95,"start_sec":15943.2,"end_sec":15944.91,"text":"We've all seen it, sir. Please continue.","topics_json":"[]","vector_id":"vec_seg_95289_1152","created_at":"2026-10-31T07:37:18Z","speaker_name":"Roy Sudler, Jr."},{"id":"seg_95289_1153","meeting_id":"95289","media_asset_id":"med_95289_f20119687f337fb8","agenda_item_id":null,"speaker_id":"off_brian_e_lewis","speaker_confidence":0.95,"start_sec":15944.91,"end_sec":15948.39,"text":"All right. Uh, okay, those are my questions. Thanks, Chief. I I yield.","topics_json":"[]","vector_id":"vec_seg_95289_1153","created_at":"2026-10-31T07:37:18Z","speaker_name":"Brian E. Lewis"},{"id":"seg_95289_1154","meeting_id":"95289","media_asset_id":"med_95289_f20119687f337fb8","agenda_item_id":null,"speaker_id":"off_roy_sudler_jr","speaker_confidence":0.95,"start_sec":15948.39,"end_sec":15952.59,"text":"Thank you. Thank you. Um, Councilwoman Arndt?","topics_json":"[]","vector_id":"vec_seg_95289_1154","created_at":"2026-10-31T07:37:18Z","speaker_name":"Roy Sudler, Jr."},{"id":"seg_95289_1155","meeting_id":"95289","media_asset_id":"med_95289_f20119687f337fb8","agenda_item_id":null,"speaker_id":"off_tricia_k_arndt","speaker_confidence":0.95,"start_sec":15952.87,"end_sec":16043.43,"text":"Thank you for recognizing me. Um, so I I don't have any questions at this point. Um, I've spoken to a lot of folks in my district, um, which I'm sure we we all have, and we've all heard a lot of testimony here on various evenings. I've spoken to a lot of people in my neighborhood. Um, I live downtown. Um, not that we're solicited often, but we're in that environment, um, where we do see folks who who need uh certainly, assistance. Um, I'm going to give my thoughts tonight, and then I'm going to sit back and see if anyone changes my mind. Um, so I've I've I've written it down just to keep myself straight. Uh, so while I share the very real safety concern about pedestrians standing in narrow medians in heavy traffic areas, this ordinance has the potential to create more problems than it solves. I'm uncomfortable moving it forward. I understand that the intent is safety, not punishment. Unfortunately, in practice, issuing fines to individuals who have no means to pay is neither effective, nor does it effect change. It also exposes the city to potential litigation without delivering meaningful improvements to public safety. This was a huge concern of mine of putting the city at risk.","topics_json":"[\"public_safety\",\"homelessness\"]","vector_id":"vec_seg_95289_1155","created_at":"2026-10-31T07:37:18Z","speaker_name":"Tricia K. Arndt"},{"id":"seg_95289_1156","meeting_id":"95289","media_asset_id":"med_95289_f20119687f337fb8","agenda_item_id":null,"speaker_id":"off_tricia_k_arndt","speaker_confidence":0.95,"start_sec":16043.43,"end_sec":16100.44,"text":"I appreciate and value the Chief's insights and operational on operational challenges. I want to acknowledge my colleague's sincere effort in bringing this issue forward, and his grace and professionalism through the public criticism. The safety risks he identified are real. Thank you, Councilman Anderson. At the same time, I call on those who oppose this ordinance on moral grounds to stay engaged in ways that genuinely help, by regularly visiting the areas where people are standing in medians, and entice them to safer locations, offer resources or services to address root causes. We all share the same goal: a safer community. I believe we can pursue that goal more effectively through collaboration and compassion than through this ordinance. I yield.","topics_json":"[\"public_safety\",\"homelessness\"]","vector_id":"vec_seg_95289_1156","created_at":"2026-10-31T07:37:18Z","speaker_name":"Tricia K. Arndt"},{"id":"seg_95289_1157","meeting_id":"95289","media_asset_id":"med_95289_f20119687f337fb8","agenda_item_id":null,"speaker_id":"off_roy_sudler_jr","speaker_confidence":0.95,"start_sec":16100.93,"end_sec":16104.2,"text":"Thank you, Councilwoman. Uh, Councilman Boggerty, you're recognized.","topics_json":"[]","vector_id":"vec_seg_95289_1157","created_at":"2026-10-31T07:37:18Z","speaker_name":"Roy Sudler, Jr."},{"id":"seg_95289_1158","meeting_id":"95289","media_asset_id":"med_95289_f20119687f337fb8","agenda_item_id":null,"speaker_id":"off_andre_m_boggerty","speaker_confidence":0.95,"start_sec":16104.49,"end_sec":16121.76,"text":"Thank you, Council. I mean thank you, uh Chair. I said on the onset of my tenure on Council, and I said on the onset on this ordinance, that I agree with the safety aspect, but in no way uh I am supportive of fining anyone, um uh uh fining anyone, especially individual","topics_json":"[\"public_safety\",\"homelessness\"]","vector_id":"vec_seg_95289_1158","created_at":"2026-10-31T07:37:18Z","speaker_name":"Andre M. Boggerty"},{"id":"seg_95289_1159","meeting_id":"95289","media_asset_id":"med_95289_f20119687f337fb8","agenda_item_id":null,"speaker_id":"off_andre_m_boggerty","speaker_confidence":0.95,"start_sec":16121.76,"end_sec":16214.43,"text":"duals, we find ourselves in conditions such as having to panhandle. I'm not the judge and jury of who's legit legitimately in need versus those who may be panhandling for other needs. That's not that's not my moral ground to stand on. My my primary concern is safety. I was last night driving home from Council, there was an individual panhandling in all black, and uh I was able to see him and and it does cause a concern. My my challenge is, again, while I want what uh I I echo I didn't know she was uh Councilwoman Arndt was going to say that, I echo the the intent for safety. The other [laughter] banter, I I don't I don't want to get involved in that. So with the fine and knowing that it's kind of moot at best, I I I can't support. What I will do is ask that the community does its best to, no pun intended, police each other. Um it is dangerous. Um it's not safe. And I just hope, as I said, that I or you are not the ones who have to be a part of or witness an unfortunate incident involving someone standing in a median. I don't have an issue and can't have an issue with the with panhandling. I just pray that it's done in a safe place. For those who find themselves in unfortunate sister- situations, I'm praying for you.","topics_json":"[\"public_safety\",\"homelessness\"]","vector_id":"vec_seg_95289_1159","created_at":"2026-10-31T07:37:18Z","speaker_name":"Andre M. Boggerty"},{"id":"seg_95289_116","meeting_id":"95289","media_asset_id":"med_95289_f20119687f337fb8","agenda_item_id":null,"speaker_id":"spk_95289_marilyn_smith","speaker_confidence":0.95,"start_sec":1924.46,"end_sec":1960.46,"text":"Yes. Um so the very top one on your list is um we just finished a couple months ago the phase two. And so yes, the phase two is done. It includes um off the top of my head I think there are three specific routes in Dover. One is a new connection, one is a build-out of the uh the interchange at North Little Creek- South Little Creek Road. Um see, this is the deep dive we need in workshop, you're testing me. But yes, there are recommendations, and there are specific recommendations for Dover. Yes.","topics_json":"[\"business\"]","vector_id":"vec_seg_95289_116","created_at":"2026-10-31T07:37:16Z","speaker_name":"Marilyn Smith"},{"id":"seg_95289_1160","meeting_id":"95289","media_asset_id":"med_95289_f20119687f337fb8","agenda_item_id":null,"speaker_id":"off_andre_m_boggerty","speaker_confidence":0.95,"start_sec":16215.96,"end_sec":16267.59,"text":"But on the grounds of me not believing that everything should be subjected to a fine, with the reality is that fine is not really going to be enforced and bog down our already challenged-staff police department um who essentially would have to park their car and impede traffic to enforce the issue, [laughter] I I just I just hope we can find another way. Unfortunately, Councilman Anderson, I applaud what your intent is, but I we we I am in agreement that we may not this this is probably not the path for for for me. I yield.","topics_json":"[\"public_safety\",\"homelessness\"]","vector_id":"vec_seg_95289_1160","created_at":"2026-10-31T07:37:18Z","speaker_name":"Andre M. Boggerty"},{"id":"seg_95289_1161","meeting_id":"95289","media_asset_id":"med_95289_f20119687f337fb8","agenda_item_id":null,"speaker_id":"off_gerald_l_rocha_sr","speaker_confidence":0.9,"start_sec":16267.79,"end_sec":16269.38,"text":"Thank you, Councilman Boggerty. Mr. Shevock.","topics_json":"[]","vector_id":"vec_seg_95289_1161","created_at":"2026-10-31T07:37:18Z","speaker_name":"Gerald L. Rocha, Sr."},{"id":"seg_95289_1162","meeting_id":"95289","media_asset_id":"med_95289_f20119687f337fb8","agenda_item_id":null,"speaker_id":"spk_95289_william_shevock","speaker_confidence":0.9,"start_sec":16270.11,"end_sec":16318.37,"text":"I've heard a lot of both ways and I feel for these people, but the question that I really have: who are these people working for? I've observed twice uh that a vehicle pulls up in close proximity where these people are almost falling off the center median because it's not even flat. They run over to the curb. They've got a bag. They dump all their money in a bag, and that individual goes back and gets in the car and leaves. Now, to me, that's a job that they're doing, and they're causing a safety concern. If I were to come down there and they fall off of there and I run across them, who's going to be fined or whatever? I'm going to be sued because I hit them. If they want to panhandle, let them do it","topics_json":"[\"public_safety\",\"homelessness\"]","vector_id":"vec_seg_95289_1162","created_at":"2026-10-31T07:37:18Z","speaker_name":"William Shevock"},{"id":"seg_95289_1163","meeting_id":"95289","media_asset_id":"med_95289_f20119687f337fb8","agenda_item_id":null,"speaker_id":"spk_95289_mr_shevock","speaker_confidence":0.95,"start_sec":16318.36,"end_sec":16354.16,"text":"off of the center of the road. They don't belong there. Um, and if you watch some of them, they can't even hardly stand up, upright as they're trying to walk down that center the in the road. So I'm in full support of to get these people off the street, or off the road. I don't care if they're on the street, on the curb, over on the sidewalk. That's fine, but they have no business to be standing and trying to walk in the center of the road. Thank you.","topics_json":"[\"public_safety\"]","vector_id":"vec_seg_95289_1163","created_at":"2026-10-31T07:37:18Z","speaker_name":"Mr. Shevock"},{"id":"seg_95289_1164","meeting_id":"95289","media_asset_id":"med_95289_f20119687f337fb8","agenda_item_id":null,"speaker_id":"off_roy_sudler_jr","speaker_confidence":0.95,"start_sec":16354.16,"end_sec":16360.16,"text":"Thank you, Mr. Shevock. Um, Miss Billings online?","topics_json":"[]","vector_id":"vec_seg_95289_1164","created_at":"2026-10-31T07:37:18Z","speaker_name":"Roy Sudler, Jr."},{"id":"seg_95289_1165","meeting_id":"95289","media_asset_id":"med_95289_f20119687f337fb8","agenda_item_id":null,"speaker_id":"spk_95289_city_clerk","speaker_confidence":0.85,"start_sec":16360.16,"end_sec":16364.56,"text":"There's no Billings, but Councilman Rocha had his hand up to speak.","topics_json":"[]","vector_id":"vec_seg_95289_1165","created_at":"2026-10-31T07:37:18Z","speaker_name":null},{"id":"seg_95289_1166","meeting_id":"95289","media_asset_id":"med_95289_f20119687f337fb8","agenda_item_id":null,"speaker_id":"off_roy_sudler_jr","speaker_confidence":0.95,"start_sec":16364.56,"end_sec":16373.16,"text":"Oh, okay. All right. Okay, good. Councilman Rocha, did you have...","topics_json":"[]","vector_id":"vec_seg_95289_1166","created_at":"2026-10-31T07:37:18Z","speaker_name":"Roy Sudler, Jr."},{"id":"seg_95289_1167","meeting_id":"95289","media_asset_id":"med_95289_f20119687f337fb8","agenda_item_id":null,"speaker_id":"off_gerald_l_rocha_sr","speaker_confidence":0.95,"start_sec":16373.16,"end_sec":16419.26,"text":"Yeah, it's not I I just wanted to put on the record, um, you know,","topics_json":"[]","vector_id":"vec_seg_95289_1167","created_at":"2026-10-31T07:37:18Z","speaker_name":"Gerald L. Rocha, Sr."},{"id":"seg_95289_1168","meeting_id":"95289","media_asset_id":"med_95289_f20119687f337fb8","agenda_item_id":null,"speaker_id":"off_roy_sudler_jr","speaker_confidence":0.9,"start_sec":16419.26,"end_sec":16422.56,"text":"Uh, could you put","topics_json":"[]","vector_id":"vec_seg_95289_1168","created_at":"2026-10-31T07:37:18Z","speaker_name":"Roy Sudler, Jr."},{"id":"seg_95289_1169","meeting_id":"95289","media_asset_id":"med_95289_f20119687f337fb8","agenda_item_id":null,"speaker_id":"off_roy_sudler_jr","speaker_confidence":0.95,"start_sec":16422.56,"end_sec":16426.96,"text":"Um, we now, please continue.","topics_json":"[]","vector_id":"vec_seg_95289_1169","created_at":"2026-10-31T07:37:18Z","speaker_name":"Roy Sudler, Jr."},{"id":"seg_95289_117","meeting_id":"95289","media_asset_id":"med_95289_f20119687f337fb8","agenda_item_id":null,"speaker_id":"off_david_l_anderson","speaker_confidence":0.95,"start_sec":1960.46,"end_sec":1966.06,"text":"So that so that state study uh that that's not a Del-","topics_json":"[]","vector_id":"vec_seg_95289_117","created_at":"2026-10-31T07:37:16Z","speaker_name":"David L. Anderson"},{"id":"seg_95289_1170","meeting_id":"95289","media_asset_id":"med_95289_f20119687f337fb8","agenda_item_id":null,"speaker_id":"off_gerald_l_rocha_sr","speaker_confidence":0.95,"start_sec":16426.96,"end_sec":16509.96,"text":"Oh, okay. Um, I just wanted to put on the record, um, you know, my thoughts. Um, and believe it, believe it or not, you know, panhandling, you know, living with that all my life, I I have no problem with with the panhandling, um, and never really gave it a second thought, you know, when they when when it was around Del Tech and areas where it was a lot flatter. Um, but when I saw the individual with the wheelchair down by Walgreens and CVS, that that individual was about to get hit by a car, and we don't we don't need to wait for that situation to happen. We've got to make sure that we protect those individuals. They may not be thinking clearly or whatever it is, but they just have to pick a different area or a spot away from the median to do what they do. You know, and and um I I don't think it would I think there's people that still would support them, but not in the in the median area. Safety is first. And and and it doesn't matter to me whether or not we have statistics, because statistics means we acted too late. Um, let's be proactive. Um, maybe this is not the way it's written perfect or whatever, you know, we'll have to think about that while we're making our decisions, but as far as the safety of the individuals um standing in the middle of the road, particularly if they want to take a a wheelchair or a person in a wheelchair is trying to do it, not necessarily uh I think we have to protect that individual. And with that said, I yield.","topics_json":"[\"homelessness\",\"public_safety\"]","vector_id":"vec_seg_95289_1170","created_at":"2026-10-31T07:37:18Z","speaker_name":"Gerald L. Rocha, Sr."},{"id":"seg_95289_1171","meeting_id":"95289","media_asset_id":"med_95289_f20119687f337fb8","agenda_item_id":null,"speaker_id":"off_roy_sudler_jr","speaker_confidence":0.95,"start_sec":16509.96,"end_sec":16514.96,"text":"Thank you, Councilman Rocha. Uh, Councilwoman Hall.","topics_json":"[]","vector_id":"vec_seg_95289_1171","created_at":"2026-10-31T07:37:18Z","speaker_name":"Roy Sudler, Jr."},{"id":"seg_95289_1172","meeting_id":"95289","media_asset_id":"med_95289_f20119687f337fb8","agenda_item_id":null,"speaker_id":"off_donyale_m_hall","speaker_confidence":0.95,"start_sec":16514.97,"end_sec":16539.77,"text":"Thank you for recognizing me. Um, last night I stated that, um, when we were talking about, um, the signs, ironically, about, uh, the strictly enforced, that, um, I didn't think that that was going to bring about the changes that we need to see happen.","topics_json":"[\"public_safety\"]","vector_id":"vec_seg_95289_1172","created_at":"2026-10-31T07:37:18Z","speaker_name":"Donyale M. Hall"},{"id":"seg_95289_1173","meeting_id":"95289","media_asset_id":"med_95289_f20119687f337fb8","agenda_item_id":null,"speaker_id":"off_donyale_m_hall","speaker_confidence":0.95,"start_sec":16539.77,"end_sec":16572.47,"text":"And, uh, we've had a lot of conversation around, um, possible strategies. And I'm not really comfortable that, um, what's been put forward here has, um, the potential to, um, do what its intention is and, um, to see, to Councilwoman Arndt's point, um, things not being able to be fineable and enforced and all of that.","topics_json":"[\"public_safety\"]","vector_id":"vec_seg_95289_1173","created_at":"2026-10-31T07:37:18Z","speaker_name":"Donyale M. Hall"},{"id":"seg_95289_1174","meeting_id":"95289","media_asset_id":"med_95289_f20119687f337fb8","agenda_item_id":null,"speaker_id":"off_donyale_m_hall","speaker_confidence":0.95,"start_sec":16572.47,"end_sec":16612.17,"text":"Um, I think there's a, there's a, a better solution to this, and we talked a little bit when I asked the question earlier about, uh, the MPO and, um, who could pay for those signs, and I think that's a very good, uh, solution to this, um, that we could post something that says, \"Don't stand here,\" and identify the spots where it is safe to stand. And, um, that way it, um, gives a, a level of appreciation for those who are asking for compassion and, uh, someone to give charity. It gives them, uh, a clear indicator where it's safe to stand and do that.","topics_json":"[\"public_safety\",\"homelessness\"]","vector_id":"vec_seg_95289_1174","created_at":"2026-10-31T07:37:18Z","speaker_name":"Donyale M. Hall"},{"id":"seg_95289_1175","meeting_id":"95289","media_asset_id":"med_95289_f20119687f337fb8","agenda_item_id":null,"speaker_id":"off_donyale_m_hall","speaker_confidence":0.95,"start_sec":16612.17,"end_sec":16651.87,"text":"And I, I just, I don't think that, um, while I'm concerned about the safety in the medians, I don't think that we've explored some other options. And one of the things that I would really like to see, I know that, uh, when officers are called out and, um, there's, um, an indication, I, I have a mentally ill brother, and anytime he's had, um, an infraction with the law, I indicate that, um, if there's an officer that needs to be brought out, that, um, he has a, a mental health issue. And they, and they put that person, that's a support person, inside of the vehicle and brings them along.","topics_json":"[\"public_safety\",\"homelessness\"]","vector_id":"vec_seg_95289_1175","created_at":"2026-10-31T07:37:18Z","speaker_name":"Donyale M. Hall"},{"id":"seg_95289_1176","meeting_id":"95289","media_asset_id":"med_95289_f20119687f337fb8","agenda_item_id":null,"speaker_id":"off_donyale_m_hall","speaker_confidence":0.95,"start_sec":16651.87,"end_sec":16691.67,"text":"And so if we have individuals, and, um, I, I had a, a conversation here recently, um, with someone who, uh, stopped and, and went over to someone who was, you know, in that state in the median, and just said a few kind words, and that person moved on. I think, you know, there, there has to be some level of compassion that's put into this. And the thoughtful solution to a lot of this could be, you know, how about we have some folks that are willing to go along with an officer that responds to a call where someone is in a condition like that, to offer them some services or, you know, something","topics_json":"[\"public_safety\",\"homelessness\"]","vector_id":"vec_seg_95289_1176","created_at":"2026-10-31T07:37:18Z","speaker_name":"Donyale M. 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Hall"},{"id":"seg_95289_1178","meeting_id":"95289","media_asset_id":"med_95289_f20119687f337fb8","agenda_item_id":null,"speaker_id":"off_donyale_m_hall","speaker_confidence":0.95,"start_sec":16711.58,"end_sec":16771.38,"text":"And, um, I've been concerned, and I've been very acutely aware of the fact that this thing exists, and until we, as people in our community, band together and come out and say there's an act of human kindness that's involved here, that if we are not in a position to feel afraid, that we could start making some of these changes, just by being able to say, hey, um, it's not safe to stand here. And those little signs that, you know, we said would be beneficial inside of a strictly enforced with a, uh, residential area, why not put those signs up that say it's not safe to stand or or, uh, dwell here. This is a point where we can move on, and we can start doing some things that, um, create boundaries where people can't readily access those those median strips. So that's my two cents, um, for what it's worth. I yield.","topics_json":"[\"public_safety\",\"homelessness\"]","vector_id":"vec_seg_95289_1178","created_at":"2026-10-31T07:37:19Z","speaker_name":"Donyale M. Hall"},{"id":"seg_95289_1179","meeting_id":"95289","media_asset_id":"med_95289_f20119687f337fb8","agenda_item_id":null,"speaker_id":"off_david_l_anderson","speaker_confidence":0.95,"start_sec":16772.58,"end_sec":16780.38,"text":"Thank you. Thank you, uh, Councilwoman Hall. Um, Mr. Garfinkel?","topics_json":"[]","vector_id":"vec_seg_95289_1179","created_at":"2026-10-31T07:37:19Z","speaker_name":"David L. Anderson"},{"id":"seg_95289_118","meeting_id":"95289","media_asset_id":"med_95289_f20119687f337fb8","agenda_item_id":null,"speaker_id":"off_fred_a_neil","speaker_confidence":0.95,"start_sec":1966.07,"end_sec":1970.27,"text":"our plan, though, that's it, that's the recommendations, right?","topics_json":"[]","vector_id":"vec_seg_95289_118","created_at":"2026-10-31T07:37:16Z","speaker_name":"Fred A. Neil"},{"id":"seg_95289_1180","meeting_id":"95289","media_asset_id":"med_95289_f20119687f337fb8","agenda_item_id":null,"speaker_id":"spk_95289_michael_garfinkel","speaker_confidence":0.9,"start_sec":16780.68,"end_sec":16830.38,"text":"I I just want to say bravo, kudos, and laurels to you, Mr. Chairman, for bringing this forth. We have to protect people. This is a safety issue. And And every time I see people on those median strips, look like they came out of a seed pod from Night of the Living Dead, cuz they're on drugs and everything else, they're going to fall over. I've seen that actually happen. A person just falls over. They're going to get hit by a car. They're creating a problem. I don't think this goes strong enough, but this is a great start. Safety is job one of this council. And so this this is a good start, and thank you for putting it forward.","topics_json":"[\"public_safety\",\"homelessness\"]","vector_id":"vec_seg_95289_1180","created_at":"2026-10-31T07:37:19Z","speaker_name":"Michael Garfinkel"},{"id":"seg_95289_1181","meeting_id":"95289","media_asset_id":"med_95289_f20119687f337fb8","agenda_item_id":null,"speaker_id":"off_david_l_anderson","speaker_confidence":0.95,"start_sec":16830.48,"end_sec":16834.18,"text":"Thank you, Mr. Garfinkel. Dr. Sudler?","topics_json":"[]","vector_id":"vec_seg_95289_1181","created_at":"2026-10-31T07:37:19Z","speaker_name":"David L. Anderson"},{"id":"seg_95289_1182","meeting_id":"95289","media_asset_id":"med_95289_f20119687f337fb8","agenda_item_id":null,"speaker_id":"off_roy_sudler_jr","speaker_confidence":0.95,"start_sec":16834.58,"end_sec":16908.18,"text":"Uh, thank you, Chairman Anderson, for right- for recognizing me. When I first brought this to your attention, and we were to work on it together, um, our my first initial in- impression was that we were just solely, we're going to focus on getting them off the median and getting them the help that they needed. Um, exploring other cities like New Jerseys and what New Jersey and what they're doing, Newark, New Jersey, and what they're doing as far as ticketing individuals and for those who are giving people money because they were it could be proceed as delay of of traffic. Now, when you have senior citizens, which one day we all will be if we're if we're lucky enough to to live long enough, um, it's hard to see at night. What happens if you hit them? Who's going to be responsible? Would the city be responsible, or would you be responsible? And if you kill them, that's something you have to live with on your mind for the rest of your life. So safety is top priority, although I can see how you can see that this could be disguised as","topics_json":"[\"public_safety\",\"homelessness\"]","vector_id":"vec_seg_95289_1182","created_at":"2026-10-31T07:37:19Z","speaker_name":"Roy Sudler, Jr."},{"id":"seg_95289_1183","meeting_id":"95289","media_asset_id":"med_95289_f20119687f337fb8","agenda_item_id":null,"speaker_id":"off_andre_m_boggerty","speaker_confidence":0.95,"start_sec":16908.18,"end_sec":17104.78,"text":"as um trying to go after panhandlers. But really, when I brought this to Councilman Anderson, I brought it as this is a safety issue. Everyone has their challenges in life that they're dealing with. Okay? So let's get them the resources, let's usher them off the median and get them the resources. I didn't know that an ordinance would be drafted so quickly, um, and the reason why I offered the friendly amendment was because it was vague initially, but I concur with the spirit, the initial spirit, because the initial spirit derived from me as well as as Councilman Anderson, in conjunction with um conversations from the community and concerns from Michelle Paul as well. People have to be safe. This is about safety. I can I'm always 100, safety for me. Um however, ticketing uh you know, we have to have some kind of enforcement. So, I think that we need to work on how would we properly enforce this whereas you know I think the sign is a great idea. Maybe we can start off with the signage, seeing if the sign is will help deter them. And then with um grassroots initiative like support, like our Opioid Use Disorder Task Force is going to um have an outreach and we're going to go to the median as we're talking about, and we're going to say, \"Hey, this is not a safe space. But let's usher you to a safe space and get you the resources that you need so that we can help you become a more productive citizen, or help you with whatever you're dealing with.\" I think everyone can resonate with the fact of safety first. You have to That that that is right there. And when And when you're driving, no matter if you're in a F-350 or or or or a Porsche, when someone is in the median, that 1 second that they've obstruct your view, you can get in an accident. So let's put some signs there. Let's even put a QR code that for those who want to donate money, you can pull out your phone, hit the little QR code and later donate money to the organization which whether it's for whether it's the food bank, whether it's mental health, whether it's physical health, and you'll know that the money is going to go there, right? And it's safe. But this is about safety and I concur that we need to do something about getting these individuals off the median. I don't care if you're if you're asking for money or just walking up and down the median cuz that's what you want to do. But it's not safe. And I'm going to take a stand on this as well. It's not safe. I don't agree with everything uh about the finding, but I do agree with the fact that it's not safe to be walking up and down the median, you are obstructing the view of traffic, and not only obstructing the view of traffic, but when individuals go to manually go into their pock-","topics_json":"[\"public_safety\",\"homelessness\"]","vector_id":"vec_seg_95289_1183","created_at":"2026-10-31T07:37:19Z","speaker_name":"Andre M. Boggerty"},{"id":"seg_95289_1184","meeting_id":"95289","media_asset_id":"med_95289_f20119687f337fb8","agenda_item_id":null,"speaker_id":"off_andre_m_boggerty","speaker_confidence":0.95,"start_sec":17104.79,"end_sec":17191.17,"text":"to retrieve money is a potential to delay traffic in conjunction with create road rage. Cuz you know people want to go beep, beep, beep, you know, light's already turned. I've been guilty of it myself, you know, I count my little six seconds, \"Okay, you took too long, let's go.\" Right? So, bottom line is we had to we had to take safety um a little bit more serious when it comes to medians and we have to and we have to be good stewards for the pedestrians. So, the ticketing may not be the way, but the core root of the issue is correct. People have cannot be on the median. It's unsafe not only for them, but it's unsafe for the driver. And I don't want to hit someone and have that on my mind. You know, it's enough stuff that was on my mind, I don't want that on my mind. And I don't think anyone else, I don't think your grandma wants to or your grandfather. I mean come on, I mean when is when is enough enough? There's a time and place for every everything, and there's a time to give, just like there's a time to receive, and there's also a time where you know things are done properly. So, I I don't agree with allowing people being on the median. I do agree with the signs. Let's start maybe with the signs and see where that takes us. And then and then go from there. But I'm not going to support, even though I made the amendment, cuz I made the amendment cuz it was too vague, I'm not going to support the ordinance, but I do support what Councilwoman Arndt, I mean Councilwoman um Hall has brought forth and and with that said, I like to make a motion that we start with putting a a sign that no stopping, no standing on the median and start there cuz that's low cost.","topics_json":"[\"public_safety\"]","vector_id":"vec_seg_95289_1184","created_at":"2026-10-31T07:37:19Z","speaker_name":"Andre M. 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I also want to say that I am dedicated, cuz I'm doing it now,","topics_json":"[\"public_safety\"]","vector_id":"vec_seg_95289_1226","created_at":"2026-10-31T07:37:19Z","speaker_name":"Miss Mack"},{"id":"seg_95289_1227","meeting_id":"95289","media_asset_id":"med_95289_f20119687f337fb8","agenda_item_id":null,"speaker_id":"spk_95289_miss_mack","speaker_confidence":0.9,"start_sec":17583.9,"end_sec":17588.23,"text":"is I met a lot of the medians, especially where Everybody in the median, whoever said it, is not on drugs.","topics_json":"[\"public_safety\",\"homelessness\"]","vector_id":"vec_seg_95289_1227","created_at":"2026-10-31T07:37:19Z","speaker_name":"Miss Mack"},{"id":"seg_95289_1228","meeting_id":"95289","media_asset_id":"med_95289_f20119687f337fb8","agenda_item_id":null,"speaker_id":"spk_95289_miss_mack","speaker_confidence":0.9,"start_sec":17588.73,"end_sec":17602.67,"text":"And I'm going to say that again. Everybody on the median is not on drugs. But those that are leaning, that appear to me to be on drugs, I'm out there asking them, \"Can you get off the median, please? You're the reason why I'm losing my voice and my back is going out, because I'm advocating for you, but you're leaning. Can you please get out?\" And I want to say big shout-out to those officers. I don't know who you are, but we do have","topics_json":"[\"public_safety\",\"homelessness\"]","vector_id":"vec_seg_95289_1228","created_at":"2026-10-31T07:37:19Z","speaker_name":"Miss Mack"},{"id":"seg_95289_1229","meeting_id":"95289","media_asset_id":"med_95289_f20119687f337fb8","agenda_item_id":null,"speaker_id":"spk_95289_miss_mack","speaker_confidence":0.9,"start_sec":17606.94,"end_sec":17643.06,"text":"Dover PD officers, actually without your ordinance, moving people off the median. So my question to you today is, why do we need an ordinance if they're already doing their job? Throw the ordinance out. 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The first thing is, yes, Dr. Sudler, when we started having this discussion, we did start having this discussion um with regards to safety in the meeting medians for individuals. But when we started having this discuss-","topics_json":"[\"public_safety\"]","vector_id":"vec_seg_95289_1239","created_at":"2026-10-31T07:37:19Z","speaker_name":"Miss Shelfo"},{"id":"seg_95289_124","meeting_id":"95289","media_asset_id":"med_95289_f20119687f337fb8","agenda_item_id":null,"speaker_id":"off_roy_sudler_jr","speaker_confidence":0.95,"start_sec":2007.07,"end_sec":2073.57,"text":"Thank you, Chairman Boggerty, for recognizing me. Uh, just two questions. In regards to the McKee Road corridor improvements, in your view and expertise, what was so significant about the McKee Road and corridor uh improvements that made it stand out and be, you know, focused on uh the most out of outside of all the other projects in which you um brought forth?","topics_json":"[\"public_safety\"]","vector_id":"vec_seg_95289_124","created_at":"2026-10-31T07:37:16Z","speaker_name":"Roy Sudler, Jr."},{"id":"seg_95289_1240","meeting_id":"95289","media_asset_id":"med_95289_f20119687f337fb8","agenda_item_id":null,"speaker_id":"spk_95289_ms_paul","speaker_confidence":0.9,"start_sec":17694.61,"end_sec":17871.91,"text":"session. We did not start having this discussion for an ordinance. Now, with that being said, we have we have, um, titles under 21, under title 21, where we have where it can address public intoxication. So those ones that are knee- kneeling and kneeling out into the, um, into the roads and the streets, they have already have a state ti- a state code, a state law, already on the books that can be enforced right now. We have other laws that are on the books under title 21 that can be enforced that are outside of loitering. Those, you know, if you're dealing with obstruction of view, you know, um, disorderly conduct, all of those titles are under 21. The same way people can stack laws, it does not have to be loitering. You have about 10 different laws for one infraction that you can cite someone for, and they are legal laws that are on the books. For those particular laws that are out there, when we're talking about, \"Oh, we need,\" we do not need an ordinance for something that's already there. And then what does an ordinance do? An ordinance is a lower level of a state law. So, therefore, you are making the actual penalty less than what it would be if you use enforced the state law. And the state law, you don't have to go through and wonder if you're violating someone's rights. Now, we're talking about a loitering law. There are 50 million other laws that the police department can utilize. And with regards to police officers right now, they have been doing their job with regards to having people get out of the medians. They just did it the other day on Route 8. Why? Because there was an accident there right between the CVS and the Food Lion shopping center. And guess what? Those officers were already out there with the with the cars that were actually in the accident, and you had another officer in the median saying, \"You know, you shouldn't be out here,\" or, \"You know, why don't you go stand over there and do that because it's dangerous here?\" And you know what? They weren't rude, they weren't ignorant, they just redirected them. It's happening already. You have officers that are doing their job. So, if you want to enforce it, stop trying to make it seem like this is something that you have no control over. Chief Johnson, you have control over this, and you know that there is no ordinance that is needed to enforce the law. And an ordinance does nothing but minimize. It makes it a lower offense where you don't where it's not enforceable. It's not going to go in front of a judge. Some of these, some of the individuals that you need that are all leaning over and need help, they need to be redirected, and some of them have to be forced into treatment. You can't do that with an ordinance.","topics_json":"[\"public_safety\",\"homelessness\"]","vector_id":"vec_seg_95289_1240","created_at":"2026-10-31T07:37:19Z","speaker_name":"Ms. Paul"},{"id":"seg_95289_1241","meeting_id":"95289","media_asset_id":"med_95289_f20119687f337fb8","agenda_item_id":null,"speaker_id":"off_fred_a_neil","speaker_confidence":0.95,"start_sec":17871.91,"end_sec":17875.71,"text":"Thank you. Thank you, Ms. Paul. And uh...","topics_json":"[]","vector_id":"vec_seg_95289_1241","created_at":"2026-10-31T07:37:19Z","speaker_name":"Fred A. Neil"},{"id":"seg_95289_1242","meeting_id":"95289","media_asset_id":"med_95289_f20119687f337fb8","agenda_item_id":null,"speaker_id":"spk_95289_city_staff","speaker_confidence":0.85,"start_sec":17875.71,"end_sec":17885.11,"text":"I can't. I I've asked every single person to put their hand up and unmute. They were asking early on, but now we haven't I haven't seen anyone, so I'm","topics_json":"[]","vector_id":"vec_seg_95289_1242","created_at":"2026-10-31T07:37:19Z","speaker_name":null},{"id":"seg_95289_1243","meeting_id":"95289","media_asset_id":"med_95289_f20119687f337fb8","agenda_item_id":null,"speaker_id":"off_fred_a_neil","speaker_confidence":0.95,"start_sec":17885.11,"end_sec":17891.21,"text":"Okay. Um, all right. If uh...","topics_json":"[]","vector_id":"vec_seg_95289_1243","created_at":"2026-10-31T07:37:19Z","speaker_name":"Fred A. 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So I don't know what to say.","topics_json":"[]","vector_id":"vec_seg_95289_1245","created_at":"2026-10-31T07:37:19Z","speaker_name":null},{"id":"seg_95289_1246","meeting_id":"95289","media_asset_id":"med_95289_f20119687f337fb8","agenda_item_id":null,"speaker_id":"off_roy_sudler_jr","speaker_confidence":0.95,"start_sec":17911.52,"end_sec":17916.32,"text":"Okay. Well, we'll come back to them. We'll, uh, we'll go","topics_json":"[]","vector_id":"vec_seg_95289_1246","created_at":"2026-10-31T07:37:19Z","speaker_name":"Roy Sudler, Jr."},{"id":"seg_95289_1247","meeting_id":"95289","media_asset_id":"med_95289_f20119687f337fb8","agenda_item_id":null,"speaker_id":"spk_95289_city_staff","speaker_confidence":0.9,"start_sec":17916.32,"end_sec":17919.52,"text":"I'm watching to see if anybody clicks the button or sends a message, so.","topics_json":"[]","vector_id":"vec_seg_95289_1247","created_at":"2026-10-31T07:37:19Z","speaker_name":null},{"id":"seg_95289_1248","meeting_id":"95289","media_asset_id":"med_95289_f20119687f337fb8","agenda_item_id":null,"speaker_id":"off_roy_sudler_jr","speaker_confidence":0.95,"start_sec":17918.42,"end_sec":17931.22,"text":"Thank you. We'll come back to them, because what they have to say is, uh, just as important, uh, with because everybody's opinion is just as important. So next, please, on the, uh, list.","topics_json":"[]","vector_id":"vec_seg_95289_1248","created_at":"2026-10-31T07:37:19Z","speaker_name":"Roy Sudler, Jr."},{"id":"seg_95289_1249","meeting_id":"95289","media_asset_id":"med_95289_f20119687f337fb8","agenda_item_id":null,"speaker_id":"spk_95289_city_staff","speaker_confidence":0.9,"start_sec":17931.22,"end_sec":17933.32,"text":"Next is Adam Windett.","topics_json":"[]","vector_id":"vec_seg_95289_1249","created_at":"2026-10-31T07:37:19Z","speaker_name":null},{"id":"seg_95289_125","meeting_id":"95289","media_asset_id":"med_95289_f20119687f337fb8","agenda_item_id":null,"speaker_id":"spk_95289_marilyn_smith","speaker_confidence":0.9,"start_sec":2073.57,"end_sec":2107.77,"text":"Uh, I don't know the answer to how it compared against projects that were submitted in New Castle or Sussex. I don't know, um, because I'm not part of that process. I know that what made it important, like number one on our project list, was we knew it was a high priority for the city. We've talked about this for a long time. Um, one of the ways, when we do a prioritization process, it includes a bunch of elements. Some of it is traffic, some of it is safety, some of it is back to, you know, where where we're seeing high injury network,","topics_json":"[\"public_safety\"]","vector_id":"vec_seg_95289_125","created_at":"2026-10-31T07:37:16Z","speaker_name":"Marilyn Smith"},{"id":"seg_95289_1250","meeting_id":"95289","media_asset_id":"med_95289_f20119687f337fb8","agenda_item_id":null,"speaker_id":"off_roy_sudler_jr","speaker_confidence":0.95,"start_sec":17933.32,"end_sec":17934.72,"text":"Thank you.","topics_json":"[]","vector_id":"vec_seg_95289_1250","created_at":"2026-10-31T07:37:19Z","speaker_name":"Roy Sudler, Jr."},{"id":"seg_95289_1251","meeting_id":"95289","media_asset_id":"med_95289_f20119687f337fb8","agenda_item_id":null,"speaker_id":"spk_95289_adam_windett","speaker_confidence":0.95,"start_sec":17937.72,"end_sec":18058.52,"text":"Good evening. My name is Adam Windett. I'm a resident of downtown Dover. I also own a business here, and I'm asking the council to vote no on this ordinance. There's a lot of points to be made in opposition to this ordinance, and there's a lot of people here to make them. So I'll focus on just one, and it's a principle of democratic government. When the government wants to restrict rights or expand police authority, the government must prove it's necessary. If the city claims there's a public safety problem, it must show real evidence and data. If the city proposes a new ordinance, it must show the ordinance will actually work. And if the city is going to um The city must show that the ordinance won't violate people's rights or make things worse. The city must also prove that the stated objective of this ordinance cannot be achieved through less restrictive means. And so far, the city hasn't met that burden, and for that reason and many more that others will present tonight, I'd urge you to vote no. And in my remaining time, I would just like to make two points. Um there's a mention of signage, um and also an expressed concern that drivers um would be unaware of people in the median. You can put up a sign warning drivers as they approach median: people in the median. Uh so I put that out to to your consideration. And then also, I just want to address You see this at Leg Hall. Um you see it in local government. Um it's 11:00 at night. People have been here for for 5 hours, and it can't be a coincidence. It can't be a coincidence that every time that there's a bill or an ordinance that's going to draw public scrutiny, that's going to have all these people who come out here for comment, that it's always last on the agenda. And and I think it's a tactic to discourage people from coming out, because if you keep people here for 5 hours, away from their family, on a week night when everybody has to get up and work tomorrow, it's it's a tactic to avoid scrutiny, to discourage people from coming back. And I think if you have courage and you know that you're going to have a controversial bill or a controversial ordinance, um that's going to be presented, put it first. Have some courage. Thank you.","topics_json":"[\"public_safety\",\"business\"]","vector_id":"vec_seg_95289_1251","created_at":"2026-10-31T07:37:19Z","speaker_name":"Adam Windett"},{"id":"seg_95289_1252","meeting_id":"95289","media_asset_id":"med_95289_f20119687f337fb8","agenda_item_id":null,"speaker_id":"off_roy_sudler_jr","speaker_confidence":0.95,"start_sec":18064.12,"end_sec":18067.92,"text":"Uh All right. We got anybody?","topics_json":"[]","vector_id":"vec_seg_95289_1252","created_at":"2026-10-31T07:37:19Z","speaker_name":"Roy Sudler, Jr."},{"id":"seg_95289_1253","meeting_id":"95289","media_asset_id":"med_95289_f20119687f337fb8","agenda_item_id":null,"speaker_id":"spk_95289_city_staff","speaker_confidence":0.9,"start_sec":18067.92,"end_sec":18074.02,"text":"I have Mr. Steve L. Okay. his hand up, and I told him to unmute, and he hasn't.","topics_json":"[]","vector_id":"vec_seg_95289_1253","created_at":"2026-10-31T07:37:19Z","speaker_name":null},{"id":"seg_95289_1254","meeting_id":"95289","media_asset_id":"med_95289_f20119687f337fb8","agenda_item_id":null,"speaker_id":"off_roy_sudler_jr","speaker_confidence":0.95,"start_sec":18074.22,"end_sec":18078.52,"text":"Can you unmute him? There we go.","topics_json":"[]","vector_id":"vec_seg_95289_1254","created_at":"2026-10-31T07:37:19Z","speaker_name":"Roy Sudler, Jr."},{"id":"seg_95289_1255","meeting_id":"95289","media_asset_id":"med_95289_f20119687f337fb8","agenda_item_id":null,"speaker_id":"spk_95289_city_staff","speaker_confidence":0.9,"start_sec":18078.52,"end_sec":18080.82,"text":"Oh, he's he's lowered his hand.","topics_json":"[]","vector_id":"vec_seg_95289_1255","created_at":"2026-10-31T07:37:19Z","speaker_name":null},{"id":"seg_95289_1256","meeting_id":"95289","media_asset_id":"med_95289_f20119687f337fb8","agenda_item_id":null,"speaker_id":"off_roy_sudler_jr","speaker_confidence":0.95,"start_sec":18080.82,"end_sec":18087.82,"text":"Okay. Steve, are you there? 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Um, next, please.","topics_json":"[]","vector_id":"vec_seg_95289_1257","created_at":"2026-10-31T07:37:19Z","speaker_name":null},{"id":"seg_95289_1258","meeting_id":"95289","media_asset_id":"med_95289_f20119687f337fb8","agenda_item_id":null,"speaker_id":"spk_95289_city_clerk","speaker_confidence":0.9,"start_sec":18091.55,"end_sec":18092.6,"text":"Next is Belinda Mayne.","topics_json":"[]","vector_id":"vec_seg_95289_1258","created_at":"2026-10-31T07:37:19Z","speaker_name":null},{"id":"seg_95289_1259","meeting_id":"95289","media_asset_id":"med_95289_f20119687f337fb8","agenda_item_id":null,"speaker_id":"spk_95289_belinda_mayne","speaker_confidence":1,"start_sec":18099.81,"end_sec":18106.51,"text":"Belinda Mayne, City of Dover. Um, before this meeting, on my way home, I approached a panhandler on the middle of street, and of course it was raining. 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And that's what they did.","topics_json":"[\"business\"]","vector_id":"vec_seg_95289_126","created_at":"2026-10-31T07:37:16Z","speaker_name":"Marilyn Smith"},{"id":"seg_95289_1260","meeting_id":"95289","media_asset_id":"med_95289_f20119687f337fb8","agenda_item_id":null,"speaker_id":"spk_95289_belinda_mayne","speaker_confidence":1,"start_sec":18106.64,"end_sec":18108.62,"text":"\"Do me a favor.\" And he said, \"What can I do for you?\"","topics_json":"[\"homelessness\"]","vector_id":"vec_seg_95289_1260","created_at":"2026-10-31T07:37:19Z","speaker_name":"Belinda Mayne"},{"id":"seg_95289_1261","meeting_id":"95289","media_asset_id":"med_95289_f20119687f337fb8","agenda_item_id":null,"speaker_id":"spk_95289_belinda_mayne","speaker_confidence":1,"start_sec":18108.75,"end_sec":18111.6,"text":"I said, \"Show up at the meeting tonight.\" I said, \"It'll benefit you in the end.\"","topics_json":"[\"homelessness\"]","vector_id":"vec_seg_95289_1261","created_at":"2026-10-31T07:37:19Z","speaker_name":"Belinda Mayne"},{"id":"seg_95289_1262","meeting_id":"95289","media_asset_id":"med_95289_f20119687f337fb8","agenda_item_id":null,"speaker_id":"spk_95289_belinda_mayne","speaker_confidence":1,"start_sec":18111.79,"end_sec":18116.14,"text":"I said, \"Because right now, people are being crucified for doing good work, helping people that need it.\"","topics_json":"[\"homelessness\"]","vector_id":"vec_seg_95289_1262","created_at":"2026-10-31T07:37:19Z","speaker_name":"Belinda Mayne"},{"id":"seg_95289_1263","meeting_id":"95289","media_asset_id":"med_95289_f20119687f337fb8","agenda_item_id":null,"speaker_id":"spk_95289_belinda_mayne","speaker_confidence":1,"start_sec":18116.45,"end_sec":18122.84,"text":"I said, \"If you don't show up, guess what? You're going to be punishing yourself, cuz there isn't going to be anybody donating money to you, because they're going to be charged $10 every time.\"","topics_json":"[\"homelessness\"]","vector_id":"vec_seg_95289_1263","created_at":"2026-10-31T07:37:19Z","speaker_name":"Belinda Mayne"},{"id":"seg_95289_1264","meeting_id":"95289","media_asset_id":"med_95289_f20119687f337fb8","agenda_item_id":null,"speaker_id":"spk_95289_belinda_mayne","speaker_confidence":1,"start_sec":18123.22,"end_sec":18156.19,"text":"So if that this passes, then that means every single thing that you guys put out there, with your churches giving food to the homeless, to the helpless, guess what? You should be fined for every single person that shows up.","topics_json":"[\"homelessness\"]","vector_id":"vec_seg_95289_1264","created_at":"2026-10-31T07:37:19Z","speaker_name":"Belinda Mayne"},{"id":"seg_95289_1265","meeting_id":"95289","media_asset_id":"med_95289_f20119687f337fb8","agenda_item_id":null,"speaker_id":"spk_95289_belinda_mayne","speaker_confidence":1,"start_sec":18156.63,"end_sec":18161.6,"text":"For everyone on this council that doesn't panhandle, or help a panhandler, sorry, you should be fined.","topics_json":"[\"homelessness\"]","vector_id":"vec_seg_95289_1265","created_at":"2026-10-31T07:37:19Z","speaker_name":"Belinda Mayne"},{"id":"seg_95289_1266","meeting_id":"95289","media_asset_id":"med_95289_f20119687f337fb8","agenda_item_id":null,"speaker_id":"spk_95289_belinda_mayne","speaker_confidence":1,"start_sec":18161.91,"end_sec":18166.75,"text":"Not only $10, but $20. You want to know why? Because you guys are the ones that are going to vote something in that shouldn't be there to begin with.","topics_json":"[\"homelessness\"]","vector_id":"vec_seg_95289_1266","created_at":"2026-10-31T07:37:19Z","speaker_name":"Belinda Mayne"},{"id":"seg_95289_1267","meeting_id":"95289","media_asset_id":"med_95289_f20119687f337fb8","agenda_item_id":null,"speaker_id":"spk_95289_belinda_mayne","speaker_confidence":1,"start_sec":18167,"end_sec":18171.97,"text":"People are out here for help. If we don't offer them help, and we penalize them for it, what what kind of person are you?","topics_json":"[\"homelessness\"]","vector_id":"vec_seg_95289_1267","created_at":"2026-10-31T07:37:19Z","speaker_name":"Belinda Mayne"},{"id":"seg_95289_1268","meeting_id":"95289","media_asset_id":"med_95289_f20119687f337fb8","agenda_item_id":null,"speaker_id":"spk_95289_belinda_mayne","speaker_confidence":1,"start_sec":18172.4,"end_sec":18178.11,"text":"You're supposed to be pastors and people of God and, \"Oh, God is great\" and everything else. Yes, He is. But He also said, \"Help those that can't help themselves.\"","topics_json":"[\"homelessness\"]","vector_id":"vec_seg_95289_1268","created_at":"2026-10-31T07:37:19Z","speaker_name":"Belinda Mayne"},{"id":"seg_95289_1269","meeting_id":"95289","media_asset_id":"med_95289_f20119687f337fb8","agenda_item_id":null,"speaker_id":"spk_95289_belinda_mayne","speaker_confidence":1,"start_sec":18178.74,"end_sec":18183.33,"text":"And you want to know what? 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Um, if the road infrastructure needs to be expanded, has the MPO uh thought about in what way, like maybe bypass or I noticed that we have something in regards to the rail corridor land use. So, I'm thinking, which is my which leads to my second question. So, I'm thinking the rail corridor land use, um, does that mean","topics_json":"[\"zoning\",\"public_safety\"]","vector_id":"vec_seg_95289_127","created_at":"2026-10-31T07:37:16Z","speaker_name":"Roy Sudler, Jr."},{"id":"seg_95289_1270","meeting_id":"95289","media_asset_id":"med_95289_f20119687f337fb8","agenda_item_id":null,"speaker_id":"spk_95289_belinda_mayne","speaker_confidence":1,"start_sec":18183.64,"end_sec":18214.88,"text":"If I want to give McDonald's to a homeless guy on the street, guess what? Fine me $10. Fine me $50. You want to know why? Cuz that gives me the option to go help five additional people,","topics_json":"[\"homelessness\"]","vector_id":"vec_seg_95289_1270","created_at":"2026-10-31T07:37:19Z","speaker_name":"Belinda Mayne"},{"id":"seg_95289_1271","meeting_id":"95289","media_asset_id":"med_95289_f20119687f337fb8","agenda_item_id":null,"speaker_id":"spk_95289_belinda_mayne","speaker_confidence":1,"start_sec":18215.62,"end_sec":18216.99,"text":"at no cost to them.","topics_json":"[\"homelessness\"]","vector_id":"vec_seg_95289_1271","created_at":"2026-10-31T07:37:19Z","speaker_name":"Belinda Mayne"},{"id":"seg_95289_1272","meeting_id":"95289","media_asset_id":"med_95289_f20119687f337fb8","agenda_item_id":null,"speaker_id":"spk_95289_belinda_mayne","speaker_confidence":1,"start_sec":18217.73,"end_sec":18219.29,"text":"I'll do it. My kids'll do it.","topics_json":"[\"homelessness\"]","vector_id":"vec_seg_95289_1272","created_at":"2026-10-31T07:37:19Z","speaker_name":"Belinda Mayne"},{"id":"seg_95289_1273","meeting_id":"95289","media_asset_id":"med_95289_f20119687f337fb8","agenda_item_id":null,"speaker_id":"spk_95289_belinda_mayne","speaker_confidence":1,"start_sec":18219.97,"end_sec":18222.83,"text":"But you're not going to penalize every single person who's going to go against this.","topics_json":"[\"homelessness\"]","vector_id":"vec_seg_95289_1273","created_at":"2026-10-31T07:37:19Z","speaker_name":"Belinda Mayne"},{"id":"seg_95289_1274","meeting_id":"95289","media_asset_id":"med_95289_f20119687f337fb8","agenda_item_id":null,"speaker_id":"spk_95289_belinda_mayne","speaker_confidence":1,"start_sec":18223.45,"end_sec":18228.04,"text":"Because we're all going to stick together, and the group is only going to get bigger. And it's going to get bigger, and it's going to get bigger, and you're going to be the one left behind.","topics_json":"[\"homelessness\"]","vector_id":"vec_seg_95289_1274","created_at":"2026-10-31T07:37:19Z","speaker_name":"Belinda Mayne"},{"id":"seg_95289_1275","meeting_id":"95289","media_asset_id":"med_95289_f20119687f337fb8","agenda_item_id":null,"speaker_id":"spk_95289_belinda_mayne","speaker_confidence":1,"start_sec":18228.42,"end_sec":18232.14,"text":"As they say, when you run a race, try not to lose, but if you do, be a good sport.","topics_json":"[\"homelessness\"]","vector_id":"vec_seg_95289_1275","created_at":"2026-10-31T07:37:19Z","speaker_name":"Belinda Mayne"},{"id":"seg_95289_1276","meeting_id":"95289","media_asset_id":"med_95289_f20119687f337fb8","agenda_item_id":null,"speaker_id":"spk_95289_belinda_mayne","speaker_confidence":1,"start_sec":18232.58,"end_sec":18239.41,"text":"Because we're helping people. We're out here doing what we should be doing as human beings. Not crucifying people, but helping people, offering help.","topics_json":"[\"homelessness\"]","vector_id":"vec_seg_95289_1276","created_at":"2026-10-31T07:37:19Z","speaker_name":"Belinda Mayne"},{"id":"seg_95289_1277","meeting_id":"95289","media_asset_id":"med_95289_f20119687f337fb8","agenda_item_id":null,"speaker_id":"spk_95289_belinda_mayne","speaker_confidence":1,"start_sec":18240.15,"end_sec":18246.42,"text":"And you obviously don't want to do that. So fining people, fining homeless people for popping tents into in the forest, guess what? Please let them do it. You want to know why? Because that's what they know.","topics_json":"[\"homelessness\"]","vector_id":"vec_seg_95289_1277","created_at":"2026-10-31T07:37:19Z","speaker_name":"Belinda Mayne"},{"id":"seg_95289_1278","meeting_id":"95289","media_asset_id":"med_95289_f20119687f337fb8","agenda_item_id":null,"speaker_id":"spk_95289_belinda_mayne","speaker_confidence":1,"start_sec":18246.67,"end_sec":18276.79,"text":"But then go out and help them and go, \"Look, we don't find this appropriate. Let's help find you get you a place to live, get you food in your stomachs.\"","topics_json":"[\"homelessness\",\"housing\"]","vector_id":"vec_seg_95289_1278","created_at":"2026-10-31T07:37:19Z","speaker_name":"Belinda Mayne"},{"id":"seg_95289_1279","meeting_id":"95289","media_asset_id":"med_95289_f20119687f337fb8","agenda_item_id":null,"speaker_id":"spk_95289_belinda_mayne","speaker_confidence":1,"start_sec":18277.1,"end_sec":18282.44,"text":"\"Let's see what we can do for you, so that you can do stuff for us without any cost, but making your life better.\"","topics_json":"[\"homelessness\"]","vector_id":"vec_seg_95289_1279","created_at":"2026-10-31T07:37:19Z","speaker_name":"Belinda Mayne"},{"id":"seg_95289_128","meeting_id":"95289","media_asset_id":"med_95289_f20119687f337fb8","agenda_item_id":null,"speaker_id":"off_gerald_l_rocha_sr","speaker_confidence":0.95,"start_sec":2162.67,"end_sec":2169.87,"text":"mean that they're looking at possibly putting or improving um more roads next to the railroad system or can you elaborate on that to give me some clarity?","topics_json":"[\"zoning\"]","vector_id":"vec_seg_95289_128","created_at":"2026-10-31T07:37:16Z","speaker_name":"Gerald L. Rocha, Sr."},{"id":"seg_95289_1280","meeting_id":"95289","media_asset_id":"med_95289_f20119687f337fb8","agenda_item_id":null,"speaker_id":"spk_95289_belinda_mayne","speaker_confidence":1,"start_sec":18283.5,"end_sec":18284.43,"text":"But see, this","topics_json":"[\"homelessness\"]","vector_id":"vec_seg_95289_1280","created_at":"2026-10-31T07:37:19Z","speaker_name":"Belinda Mayne"},{"id":"seg_95289_1281","meeting_id":"95289","media_asset_id":"med_95289_f20119687f337fb8","agenda_item_id":null,"speaker_id":"off_fred_a_neil","speaker_confidence":0.95,"start_sec":18284.43,"end_sec":18289.62,"text":"was was originally ideas that you had to add your two cents that made it worse. Thank you.","topics_json":"[]","vector_id":"vec_seg_95289_1281","created_at":"2026-10-31T07:37:19Z","speaker_name":"Fred A. Neil"},{"id":"seg_95289_1282","meeting_id":"95289","media_asset_id":"med_95289_f20119687f337fb8","agenda_item_id":null,"speaker_id":"off_andre_m_boggerty","speaker_confidence":0.95,"start_sec":18290.54,"end_sec":18295.77,"text":"And by the way, it does not fine people for helping people, nor for people for asking for money. That's a myth.","topics_json":"[]","vector_id":"vec_seg_95289_1282","created_at":"2026-10-31T07:37:19Z","speaker_name":"Andre M. Boggerty"},{"id":"seg_95289_1283","meeting_id":"95289","media_asset_id":"med_95289_f20119687f337fb8","agenda_item_id":null,"speaker_id":"off_andre_m_boggerty","speaker_confidence":0.9,"start_sec":18296.07,"end_sec":18300.29,"text":"Now, that's a now. See what's happening online.","topics_json":"[]","vector_id":"vec_seg_95289_1283","created_at":"2026-10-31T07:37:19Z","speaker_name":"Andre M. Boggerty"},{"id":"seg_95289_1284","meeting_id":"95289","media_asset_id":"med_95289_f20119687f337fb8","agenda_item_id":null,"speaker_id":"spk_95289_city_clerk","speaker_confidence":0.95,"start_sec":18300.83,"end_sec":18305.38,"text":"Please correct me if I say this wrong. I believe it's Shaniqua Miles.","topics_json":"[]","vector_id":"vec_seg_95289_1284","created_at":"2026-10-31T07:37:19Z","speaker_name":null},{"id":"seg_95289_1285","meeting_id":"95289","media_asset_id":"med_95289_f20119687f337fb8","agenda_item_id":null,"speaker_id":"spk_95289_shaniqua_miles","speaker_confidence":0.95,"start_sec":18308.87,"end_sec":18309.88,"text":"Good evening, everybody.","topics_json":"[]","vector_id":"vec_seg_95289_1285","created_at":"2026-10-31T07:37:19Z","speaker_name":"Shaniqua Miles"},{"id":"seg_95289_1286","meeting_id":"95289","media_asset_id":"med_95289_f20119687f337fb8","agenda_item_id":null,"speaker_id":"off_andre_m_boggerty","speaker_confidence":0.95,"start_sec":18309.88,"end_sec":18310.38,"text":"Good evening.","topics_json":"[]","vector_id":"vec_seg_95289_1286","created_at":"2026-10-31T07:37:19Z","speaker_name":"Andre M. Boggerty"},{"id":"seg_95289_1287","meeting_id":"95289","media_asset_id":"med_95289_f20119687f337fb8","agenda_item_id":null,"speaker_id":"spk_95289_shaniqua_miles","speaker_confidence":0.95,"start_sec":18310.38,"end_sec":18349.49,"text":"I just wanted to come Shaniqua Miles, Dover, Delaware. I just wanted to come and just say something very, very simple. Okay? Just my own personal feelings. Compassion isn't a crime. Survival isn't a crime. Compassionate people aren't criminals and people facing poverty aren't criminals. Our community needs support, not fines. That's it. Have a good evening.","topics_json":"[\"homelessness\"]","vector_id":"vec_seg_95289_1287","created_at":"2026-10-31T07:37:19Z","speaker_name":"Shaniqua Miles"},{"id":"seg_95289_1288","meeting_id":"95289","media_asset_id":"med_95289_f20119687f337fb8","agenda_item_id":null,"speaker_id":"off_andre_m_boggerty","speaker_confidence":0.95,"start_sec":18349.63,"end_sec":18350.31,"text":"Thank you.","topics_json":"[]","vector_id":"vec_seg_95289_1288","created_at":"2026-10-31T07:37:19Z","speaker_name":"Andre M. Boggerty"},{"id":"seg_95289_1289","meeting_id":"95289","media_asset_id":"med_95289_f20119687f337fb8","agenda_item_id":null,"speaker_id":"off_andre_m_boggerty","speaker_confidence":0.95,"start_sec":18353.24,"end_sec":18354.63,"text":"Uh, next on the list, please?","topics_json":"[]","vector_id":"vec_seg_95289_1289","created_at":"2026-10-31T07:37:19Z","speaker_name":"Andre M. Boggerty"},{"id":"seg_95289_129","meeting_id":"95289","media_asset_id":"med_95289_f20119687f337fb8","agenda_item_id":null,"speaker_id":"spk_95289_presenter","speaker_confidence":0.85,"start_sec":2170,"end_sec":2249.3,"text":"Sure. So, just back to McKee, I mean, the the fact, like I said, there are about six determining factors that contribute to that overall um score of prioritization. So, all those things you talked about are included, but they're weighted. So, and again, that's a deep dive that I don't want to get into those numbers off the top of my head cause I just don't remember. Um rail corridor land use. Um the rail corridor land use study says we have a rail corridor that runs up and down the peninsula, and there are some uses that are compatible with a rail corridor that are near the rail corridor. There are some uses that are not. Um building houses 25 ft or next to the rail corridor, not a compatible use. Not a good idea. Um we encourage any municipality that has parcels zoned residential next to the rail to really rethink that, cause that's not a compatible use. So, it doesn't have to do with roads. It has to do with preserving that corridor for rail-supported industry and just supporting the rail itself as a as an economic development use, and not doing things in that corridor that impedes the use of the rail as a railroad.","topics_json":"[\"zoning\",\"business\"]","vector_id":"vec_seg_95289_129","created_at":"2026-10-31T07:37:16Z","speaker_name":null},{"id":"seg_95289_1290","meeting_id":"95289","media_asset_id":"med_95289_f20119687f337fb8","agenda_item_id":null,"speaker_id":"spk_95289_city_clerk","speaker_confidence":0.95,"start_sec":18354.81,"end_sec":18356.35,"text":"David Green.","topics_json":"[]","vector_id":"vec_seg_95289_1290","created_at":"2026-10-31T07:37:19Z","speaker_name":null},{"id":"seg_95289_1291","meeting_id":"95289","media_asset_id":"med_95289_f20119687f337fb8","agenda_item_id":null,"speaker_id":"off_andre_m_boggerty","speaker_confidence":0.95,"start_sec":18357.03,"end_sec":18357.72,"text":"Thank you.","topics_json":"[]","vector_id":"vec_seg_95289_1291","created_at":"2026-10-31T07:37:19Z","speaker_name":"Andre M. Boggerty"},{"id":"seg_95289_1292","meeting_id":"95289","media_asset_id":"med_95289_f20119687f337fb8","agenda_item_id":null,"speaker_id":"spk_95289_david_green","speaker_confidence":0.95,"start_sec":18361.52,"end_sec":18430.72,"text":"I'm David Green from Dover, Delaware. I'm going to be honest, I really think that this ordinance is a bunch of bull. I'm part of the homeless community for Dover. Part of the problem that we have is that a lot of people out here, like Miss Smaka made a point earlier, that not everybody out here on these corners are on drugs or alcohol. I'm one of those. The problem that we also run into is that people that are out here doing the right thing are trying to get into hotel rooms because it's cold. Feed themselves or their families, me, my fiance is 15 weeks pregnant as of today. I've been sitting here trying to find housing, shelter, and a job. I've even been trying to go to school. The other problem we have is, and I've made, I've talked to a couple of people about, and they've all agreed. We have so many different intake programs here in Dover. There is nowhere near enough outreach. And I feel like part of solving this problem is making sure that there is more outreach programs to help those that want to help themselves and do the right thing.","topics_json":"[\"homelessness\",\"housing\"]","vector_id":"vec_seg_95289_1292","created_at":"2026-10-31T07:37:19Z","speaker_name":"David Green"},{"id":"seg_95289_1293","meeting_id":"95289","media_asset_id":"med_95289_f20119687f337fb8","agenda_item_id":null,"speaker_id":"spk_95289_david_green","speaker_confidence":0.95,"start_sec":18430.78,"end_sec":18441.62,"text":"So penalizing people for being out here on these corners trying to get money to feed themselves, their families, their kids, or to even better themselves or do what they need to get the basic necessities that are required to live, they shouldn't be penalized for that. Thank you.","topics_json":"[\"homelessness\"]","vector_id":"vec_seg_95289_1293","created_at":"2026-10-31T07:37:19Z","speaker_name":"David Green"},{"id":"seg_95289_1294","meeting_id":"95289","media_asset_id":"med_95289_f20119687f337fb8","agenda_item_id":null,"speaker_id":"off_andre_m_boggerty","speaker_confidence":0.95,"start_sec":18442.82,"end_sec":18445.88,"text":"Hold on. Don't leave. Mr. Mayor.","topics_json":"[]","vector_id":"vec_seg_95289_1294","created_at":"2026-10-31T07:37:19Z","speaker_name":"Andre M. Boggerty"},{"id":"seg_95289_1295","meeting_id":"95289","media_asset_id":"med_95289_f20119687f337fb8","agenda_item_id":null,"speaker_id":"off_robin_r_christiansen","speaker_confidence":0.95,"start_sec":18446.19,"end_sec":18447.5,"text":"Sir, is your wife here?","topics_json":"[]","vector_id":"vec_seg_95289_1295","created_at":"2026-10-31T07:37:19Z","speaker_name":"Robin R. 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So I'm making that offer to you again that we will help you find your DD 214 so that we can connect you with some services.","topics_json":"[\"homelessness\",\"housing\"]","vector_id":"vec_seg_95289_1297","created_at":"2026-10-31T07:37:19Z","speaker_name":"Robin R. Christiansen"},{"id":"seg_95289_1298","meeting_id":"95289","media_asset_id":"med_95289_f20119687f337fb8","agenda_item_id":null,"speaker_id":"off_robin_r_christiansen","speaker_confidence":0.95,"start_sec":18481.04,"end_sec":18483.67,"text":"Is that is is that fair enough?","topics_json":"[]","vector_id":"vec_seg_95289_1298","created_at":"2026-10-31T07:37:19Z","speaker_name":"Robin R. Christiansen"},{"id":"seg_95289_1299","meeting_id":"95289","media_asset_id":"med_95289_f20119687f337fb8","agenda_item_id":null,"speaker_id":"off_gerald_l_rocha_sr","speaker_confidence":0.95,"start_sec":18483.67,"end_sec":18502.51,"text":"I I would uh, thank you, Mr. Mayor. I'd also, there are also other services available um regardless of that or to help with that, so uh, even if veterans isn't the way you go, so don't leave um before the meetings, don't leave when the meeting's over. We can talk about this. Thank you. Uh, next on the list.","topics_json":"[\"housing\",\"homelessness\"]","vector_id":"vec_seg_95289_1299","created_at":"2026-10-31T07:37:19Z","speaker_name":"Gerald L. Rocha, Sr."},{"id":"seg_95289_13","meeting_id":"95289","media_asset_id":"med_95289_f20119687f337fb8","agenda_item_id":null,"speaker_id":"off_fred_a_neil","speaker_confidence":0.95,"start_sec":105,"end_sec":106.8,"text":"I thank you, sir.","topics_json":"[]","vector_id":"vec_seg_95289_13","created_at":"2026-10-31T07:37:16Z","speaker_name":"Fred A. Neil"},{"id":"seg_95289_130","meeting_id":"95289","media_asset_id":"med_95289_f20119687f337fb8","agenda_item_id":null,"speaker_id":"off_gerald_l_rocha_sr","speaker_confidence":0.95,"start_sec":2249.86,"end_sec":2288.98,"text":"Okay, would a would a road system um next to the rail, would that impede? I know you said um building housing 25 ft would not be compatible, but what about a road itself leading to um some residential area that is beyond 25 ft?","topics_json":"[\"zoning\"]","vector_id":"vec_seg_95289_130","created_at":"2026-10-31T07:37:16Z","speaker_name":"Gerald L. Rocha, Sr."},{"id":"seg_95289_1300","meeting_id":"95289","media_asset_id":"med_95289_f20119687f337fb8","agenda_item_id":null,"speaker_id":"spk_95289_city_clerk","speaker_confidence":0.9,"start_sec":18502.51,"end_sec":18506.98,"text":"I'm having trouble with the last name, but it's Eve Derman?","topics_json":"[]","vector_id":"vec_seg_95289_1300","created_at":"2026-10-31T07:37:19Z","speaker_name":null},{"id":"seg_95289_1301","meeting_id":"95289","media_asset_id":"med_95289_f20119687f337fb8","agenda_item_id":null,"speaker_id":"spk_95289_eve_derman","speaker_confidence":0.95,"start_sec":18506.98,"end_sec":18584.04,"text":"You said my name the first time, right. And Mayor, I agree with that. Um, I also agree with my fiancé that because I am currently 15 weeks pregnant and he's trying to house it. I can't currently get my birth certificate or a state ID because of this problem. One thing I need from everybody is to help find us or help get us into housing. We have a baby on the way. I've asked people around town, not just a man here, but a friend of ours to get us into a hotel room. He declined. And my DO2 and everything from the military, I can't get back because I lost it in a fire. I have asked people in Minnesota, Wisconsin, and a couple of other states that I have family in who are also in the military to help me get it back. Nothing. He can even tell you, I have had multiple family members, even from not biological, try to help me to get my shit back. Ain't going to happen. Because it's all burnt of me trying to save a child from a burning fire. Step into our shoes and please help us, that's all I ask. Thank you.","topics_json":"[\"housing\",\"homelessness\"]","vector_id":"vec_seg_95289_1301","created_at":"2026-10-31T07:37:19Z","speaker_name":"Eve Derman"},{"id":"seg_95289_1302","meeting_id":"95289","media_asset_id":"med_95289_f20119687f337fb8","agenda_item_id":null,"speaker_id":"off_robin_r_christiansen","speaker_confidence":0.95,"start_sec":18584.04,"end_sec":18624.41,"text":"Well, that's certainly why I reached out to you, and I have some connections that we might be able to get the the the appropriate paperwork that that you need. So, I would ask you again to reach out to me so that we can try to give you a hand.","topics_json":"[\"housing\",\"homelessness\"]","vector_id":"vec_seg_95289_1302","created_at":"2026-10-31T07:37:19Z","speaker_name":"Robin R. 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And that's for whoever is listening, they need it, can contact me.","topics_json":"[]","vector_id":"vec_seg_95289_1307","created_at":"2026-10-31T07:37:19Z","speaker_name":"Andre M. Boggerty"},{"id":"seg_95289_1308","meeting_id":"95289","media_asset_id":"med_95289_f20119687f337fb8","agenda_item_id":null,"speaker_id":"off_andre_m_boggerty","speaker_confidence":0.95,"start_sec":18641.54,"end_sec":18660.66,"text":"The Veterans Multi-Service Center, which is, right over here, you know um that, yes, the Treadway Tower, just like, you have the library here, and then the next building right here that goes to, right there, VMC. They will they will also help you find your um your form because they can search your name and and they can help you out, okay?","topics_json":"[\"housing\",\"homelessness\"]","vector_id":"vec_seg_95289_1308","created_at":"2026-10-31T07:37:19Z","speaker_name":"Andre M. 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So, I think we'd have to talk about specific places, and that would be a more productive conversation.","topics_json":"[\"zoning\"]","vector_id":"vec_seg_95289_131","created_at":"2026-10-31T07:37:16Z","speaker_name":null},{"id":"seg_95289_1310","meeting_id":"95289","media_asset_id":"med_95289_f20119687f337fb8","agenda_item_id":null,"speaker_id":"off_andre_m_boggerty","speaker_confidence":0.95,"start_sec":18661.51,"end_sec":18670.54,"text":"And they do and they can also help you with a job and housing. Because I deal with them all the time. I'm in housing, as well, so that's a that's a that's a uh source you should utilize and it's right here, okay?","topics_json":"[\"housing\",\"homelessness\"]","vector_id":"vec_seg_95289_1310","created_at":"2026-10-31T07:37:19Z","speaker_name":"Andre M. Boggerty"},{"id":"seg_95289_1311","meeting_id":"95289","media_asset_id":"med_95289_f20119687f337fb8","agenda_item_id":null,"speaker_id":"off_gerald_l_rocha_sr","speaker_confidence":0.95,"start_sec":18670.54,"end_sec":18677.65,"text":"And we we also have others as well, and that's why I asked that you both uh stick around because we do have other resource-","topics_json":"[\"housing\",\"homelessness\"]","vector_id":"vec_seg_95289_1311","created_at":"2026-10-31T07:37:19Z","speaker_name":"Gerald L. Rocha, Sr."},{"id":"seg_95289_1312","meeting_id":"95289","media_asset_id":"med_95289_f20119687f337fb8","agenda_item_id":null,"speaker_id":"off_roy_sudler_jr","speaker_confidence":0.9,"start_sec":18677.64,"end_sec":18686.44,"text":"including uh their organizations that we've put a fair amount of money into as well. So, so thank you.","topics_json":"[\"budget\",\"homelessness\"]","vector_id":"vec_seg_95289_1312","created_at":"2026-10-31T07:37:19Z","speaker_name":"Roy Sudler, Jr."},{"id":"seg_95289_1313","meeting_id":"95289","media_asset_id":"med_95289_f20119687f337fb8","agenda_item_id":null,"speaker_id":"spk_95289_public_commenter","speaker_confidence":0.85,"start_sec":18686.84,"end_sec":18714.24,"text":"And I will say this to panhandling. We don't panhandle ourselves, me, my fiance, and a friend of ours. People in Lewes have given us money, not we've asked for it. Out of random. I know some people even in this room don't ask for just money. People are kind enough and have hearts like what we do and what our families do, or even generations before us did. What I think is give back to the community, not what the community can do for you.","topics_json":"[\"homelessness\"]","vector_id":"vec_seg_95289_1313","created_at":"2026-10-31T07:37:19Z","speaker_name":null},{"id":"seg_95289_1314","meeting_id":"95289","media_asset_id":"med_95289_f20119687f337fb8","agenda_item_id":null,"speaker_id":"off_roy_sudler_jr","speaker_confidence":0.9,"start_sec":18715.14,"end_sec":18720.24,"text":"Thank you. Uh and how are we online?","topics_json":"[]","vector_id":"vec_seg_95289_1314","created_at":"2026-10-31T07:37:19Z","speaker_name":"Roy Sudler, Jr."},{"id":"seg_95289_1315","meeting_id":"95289","media_asset_id":"med_95289_f20119687f337fb8","agenda_item_id":null,"speaker_id":"spk_95289_city_staff","speaker_confidence":0.85,"start_sec":18720.74,"end_sec":18731.94,"text":"I checked it a few minutes ago. Not much. Um a few people said they changed their mind and there's still a reporter on there and a couple other people, but I've sent direct messages and no response.","topics_json":"[]","vector_id":"vec_seg_95289_1315","created_at":"2026-10-31T07:37:19Z","speaker_name":null},{"id":"seg_95289_1316","meeting_id":"95289","media_asset_id":"med_95289_f20119687f337fb8","agenda_item_id":null,"speaker_id":"off_roy_sudler_jr","speaker_confidence":0.9,"start_sec":18732.24,"end_sec":18735.64,"text":"Okay. Thank you. Um next on the list, please.","topics_json":"[]","vector_id":"vec_seg_95289_1316","created_at":"2026-10-31T07:37:19Z","speaker_name":"Roy Sudler, Jr."},{"id":"seg_95289_1317","meeting_id":"95289","media_asset_id":"med_95289_f20119687f337fb8","agenda_item_id":null,"speaker_id":"spk_95289_city_clerk","speaker_confidence":0.9,"start_sec":18736.24,"end_sec":18777.74,"text":"Ronald Eates.","topics_json":"[]","vector_id":"vec_seg_95289_1317","created_at":"2026-10-31T07:37:19Z","speaker_name":null},{"id":"seg_95289_1318","meeting_id":"95289","media_asset_id":"med_95289_f20119687f337fb8","agenda_item_id":null,"speaker_id":"spk_95289_ronald_eates","speaker_confidence":0.95,"start_sec":18784.24,"end_sec":18832.74,"text":"Hi, I'm Ronald Eates from Dover, Delaware. Um I've been on the streets now for shoot, 2 years. Um me and my future wife, well, we've been, well we panhandle. That's the only way I can survive. I'm on disability, but I haven't had a disability check since last January. Yeah, due to my ex. Thank God for her, right? She, I was working at Hershey's. She didn't send my check stubs into Social Security. That put me $30,000 in the hole. I didn't get a partial check. I didn't get shit.","topics_json":"[\"homelessness\",\"housing\"]","vector_id":"vec_seg_95289_1318","created_at":"2026-10-31T07:37:19Z","speaker_name":"Ronald Eates"},{"id":"seg_95289_1319","meeting_id":"95289","media_asset_id":"med_95289_f20119687f337fb8","agenda_item_id":null,"speaker_id":"spk_95289_audience_member","speaker_confidence":0.7,"start_sec":18833.24,"end_sec":18834.64,"text":"Oh, watch your language.","topics_json":"[]","vector_id":"vec_seg_95289_1319","created_at":"2026-10-31T07:37:19Z","speaker_name":null},{"id":"seg_95289_132","meeting_id":"95289","media_asset_id":"med_95289_f20119687f337fb8","agenda_item_id":null,"speaker_id":"off_gerald_l_rocha_sr","speaker_confidence":0.95,"start_sec":2305.13,"end_sec":2309.66,"text":"Okay, I'll I'll have that conversation with you, too. Thank you for your feedback, and thank you for your presentation. I yield, Chairman Boggerty. Thank you.","topics_json":"[]","vector_id":"vec_seg_95289_132","created_at":"2026-10-31T07:37:16Z","speaker_name":"Gerald L. Rocha, Sr."},{"id":"seg_95289_1320","meeting_id":"95289","media_asset_id":"med_95289_f20119687f337fb8","agenda_item_id":null,"speaker_id":"spk_95289_ronald_eates","speaker_confidence":0.95,"start_sec":18834.94,"end_sec":18874.24,"text":"I didn't get no checks at all, not even partial. So, I'm out here, I got to panhandle. Otherwise, I might as well just crawl in a hole and die. But by the grace of God, my dad let me borrow his truck. So, I'm using that. But we got a room from uh Williams Building gave us a voucher. Well, by the grace of God, I've been able to keep us there. I'm paying 70 bucks a night, or a day. I can't do it or rely on the government or y'all to help me out with the rent, gas, or food, or whatever. So, I got to go out there and bust my butt. Reason why I'm on disability's cuz that's my bike.","topics_json":"[\"homelessness\",\"housing\"]","vector_id":"vec_seg_95289_1320","created_at":"2026-10-31T07:37:19Z","speaker_name":"Ronald Eates"},{"id":"seg_95289_1321","meeting_id":"95289","media_asset_id":"med_95289_f20119687f337fb8","agenda_item_id":null,"speaker_id":"spk_95289_public_commenter","speaker_confidence":0.9,"start_sec":18876.35,"end_sec":18950.05,"text":"All right, where's it at? That's the car I hit. Going 65 mph. Not wearing a helmet. Doctor said if I was wearing a helmet, the way I took the impact, I wouldn't be here. So, I got more wires in my face than what you got in your car. I got two tiny titanium rods in my back. I got one in my left femur. I got more screws in my ankle than what you got in your in your desk. The two small toe bones in my left foot are out of out of a cadaver. I got screws in my right foot. I got across both my wrists, wasn't in the accident. I got carpal tunnel. I got arthritis out the out the gazoo. For me to go panhandle, I got to take four Ibuprofens, 800 mg, just to walk and do what I got to do. People say, you know, it's against it's a crime to help those panhandling. Why? I don't get it. Now,","topics_json":"[\"homelessness\",\"public_safety\"]","vector_id":"vec_seg_95289_1321","created_at":"2026-10-31T07:37:19Z","speaker_name":null},{"id":"seg_95289_1322","meeting_id":"95289","media_asset_id":"med_95289_f20119687f337fb8","agenda_item_id":null,"speaker_id":"off_gerald_l_rocha_sr","speaker_confidence":0.85,"start_sec":18950.05,"end_sec":18952.05,"text":"Thank you. Your","topics_json":"[]","vector_id":"vec_seg_95289_1322","created_at":"2026-10-31T07:37:19Z","speaker_name":"Gerald L. Rocha, Sr."},{"id":"seg_95289_1323","meeting_id":"95289","media_asset_id":"med_95289_f20119687f337fb8","agenda_item_id":null,"speaker_id":"spk_95289_public_commenter","speaker_confidence":0.9,"start_sec":18952.05,"end_sec":18954.05,"text":"the one thing I do I do agree with","topics_json":"[\"homelessness\"]","vector_id":"vec_seg_95289_1323","created_at":"2026-10-31T07:37:19Z","speaker_name":null},{"id":"seg_95289_1324","meeting_id":"95289","media_asset_id":"med_95289_f20119687f337fb8","agenda_item_id":null,"speaker_id":"off_gerald_l_rocha_sr","speaker_confidence":0.85,"start_sec":18954.05,"end_sec":18957.05,"text":"Okay, you have to wrap it up, your time's up, sir.","topics_json":"[]","vector_id":"vec_seg_95289_1324","created_at":"2026-10-31T07:37:19Z","speaker_name":"Gerald L. Rocha, Sr."},{"id":"seg_95289_1325","meeting_id":"95289","media_asset_id":"med_95289_f20119687f337fb8","agenda_item_id":null,"speaker_id":"spk_95289_public_commenter","speaker_confidence":0.9,"start_sec":18957.05,"end_sec":18961.05,"text":"is people doing this at night time. That's one thing I don't agree with.","topics_json":"[\"homelessness\",\"public_safety\"]","vector_id":"vec_seg_95289_1325","created_at":"2026-10-31T07:37:19Z","speaker_name":null},{"id":"seg_95289_1326","meeting_id":"95289","media_asset_id":"med_95289_f20119687f337fb8","agenda_item_id":null,"speaker_id":"off_gerald_l_rocha_sr","speaker_confidence":0.85,"start_sec":18961.25,"end_sec":18975.05,"text":"Agreed. Uh it's it's sensible. Uh can we uh make the same offer to you as well, sir, uh talk with us afterwards? Okay. Next on the list.","topics_json":"[\"homelessness\"]","vector_id":"vec_seg_95289_1326","created_at":"2026-10-31T07:37:19Z","speaker_name":"Gerald L. Rocha, Sr."},{"id":"seg_95289_1327","meeting_id":"95289","media_asset_id":"med_95289_f20119687f337fb8","agenda_item_id":null,"speaker_id":"spk_95289_city_clerk","speaker_confidence":0.9,"start_sec":18976.05,"end_sec":18978.05,"text":"Cheyenne Miller.","topics_json":"[]","vector_id":"vec_seg_95289_1327","created_at":"2026-10-31T07:37:19Z","speaker_name":null},{"id":"seg_95289_1328","meeting_id":"95289","media_asset_id":"med_95289_f20119687f337fb8","agenda_item_id":null,"speaker_id":"spk_95289_cheyenne_miller","speaker_confidence":0.95,"start_sec":18987.65,"end_sec":19070.85,"text":"Hmm. I've been to a lot of city council meetings, but never at 12:00 at night. Cheyenne Miller. Um I'm from Wilmington. Uh I'm a co-coordinator with the Homeless Campaign, and um come in opposition to this ordinance. Whew. Um I do think it's important to recognize that section D in the ordinance does point out that individuals who stop or slow their car to respond for the purpose of responding to someone are going to get fined for that. And I think it's really important that we're clear on that, that section D does fine people who stop their car. And it's important that we're being honest about the fact that the bill does do that. The other thing I think that we should be clear about is the fact that the Dover Police Chief I guess just said that like if you get a written warning, they don't keep track of those written warnings, so we wouldn't actually know whether or not someone had received a written warning. I'm a little concerned about that. Um if we really are caring about whether or not someone is a repeat offender and we have written warnings in there, how are we supposed to know whether or not we're keeping track of those? Just a general question about that. Um you will get sued when this bill passes if if this bill passes, just an FYI.","topics_json":"[\"homelessness\",\"public_safety\"]","vector_id":"vec_seg_95289_1328","created_at":"2026-10-31T07:37:19Z","speaker_name":"Cheyenne Miller"},{"id":"seg_95289_1329","meeting_id":"95289","media_asset_id":"med_95289_f20119687f337fb8","agenda_item_id":null,"speaker_id":"spk_95289_public_commenter","speaker_confidence":0.95,"start_sec":19070.86,"end_sec":19164.07,"text":"Um, I don't think it's worth passing. And then the I think the last thing I'd like to say is I'm really concerned about the fact that we continue to hear council members request residents to do the job of council. It is council's job to create the conditions, the economic conditions so that people can successfully get housing, work, provide for their families. It is the job. That is how government works. Government's job is to create economic conditions for the success of its people. And to be saying that the economic conditions must come from that peop- those people, and that they must provide the charity in order for homeless people to be able to survive is wild. It is wild. And while I'm not saying that we don't need charity, I'm not saying that people shouldn't do charity, it is kind of crazy that I'm hearing people say, \"Well, I need you guys to be the ones to go out there. All the people coming out here, you guys need to be the ones to go out there and tell people to get off the medians.\" That is why we pay police. We just had a whole 2-hour discussion about paying cops! That is exactly why we pay police. So it is it is pretty I'm I'm begging for City Council to consider actual things that you guys can do, policies that you can make to solve this issue. You've all been handed a folder that has a document in it that shares a list of recommendations. I think these recommendations are super helpful. You can use vacant properties that are owned by the city to provide permanent supportive housing and transitional housing and shelter for people. You can prevent homelessness by passing a rent stabilization law on the city level. You can establish a city-run homeless services office to coordinate the services and the programs and the outreach teams that are needed to get people off the medians and hopefully into shelters. You can prioritize people experiencing housing homelessness for vouchers from the Dover from the Dover, uh, Housing Authority.","topics_json":"[\"homelessness\",\"housing\",\"public_safety\"]","vector_id":"vec_seg_95289_1329","created_at":"2026-10-31T07:37:19Z","speaker_name":null},{"id":"seg_95289_133","meeting_id":"95289","media_asset_id":"med_95289_f20119687f337fb8","agenda_item_id":null,"speaker_id":"off_andre_m_boggerty","speaker_confidence":0.95,"start_sec":2309.85,"end_sec":2312.21,"text":"Thank you, Rocha. Any more questions from anyone?","topics_json":"[]","vector_id":"vec_seg_95289_133","created_at":"2026-10-31T07:37:16Z","speaker_name":"Andre M. Boggerty"},{"id":"seg_95289_1330","meeting_id":"95289","media_asset_id":"med_95289_f20119687f337fb8","agenda_item_id":null,"speaker_id":"off_roy_sudler_jr","speaker_confidence":0.95,"start_sec":19164.07,"end_sec":19165.07,"text":"Time's up, so please wrap it up.","topics_json":"[]","vector_id":"vec_seg_95289_1330","created_at":"2026-10-31T07:37:19Z","speaker_name":"Roy Sudler, Jr."},{"id":"seg_95289_1331","meeting_id":"95289","media_asset_id":"med_95289_f20119687f337fb8","agenda_item_id":null,"speaker_id":"spk_95289_public_commenter","speaker_confidence":0.95,"start_sec":19165.07,"end_sec":19198.66,"text":"And you can also establish a public restroom and showers and maintain 24 access and ongoing maintenance, and provide daily trash cleanup. These are the things that you can do to make sure you're helping people. But yeah, my time is up, but I've been here since like forever, so you're going to give me my little 15 minutes, please. Thank you.","topics_json":"[\"homelessness\",\"housing\"]","vector_id":"vec_seg_95289_1331","created_at":"2026-10-31T07:37:19Z","speaker_name":null},{"id":"seg_95289_1332","meeting_id":"95289","media_asset_id":"med_95289_f20119687f337fb8","agenda_item_id":null,"speaker_id":"off_fred_a_neil","speaker_confidence":0.95,"start_sec":19198.66,"end_sec":19201.02,"text":"Mr. Chair. Mr. Chair. Mr. Chair.","topics_json":"[]","vector_id":"vec_seg_95289_1332","created_at":"2026-10-31T07:37:19Z","speaker_name":"Fred A. 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I have continued to fight it, and there's people in this room know that I have fought this the problem. It's not the city, it is the state. It's the state legislature. I hope that you will listen, that you will get to them, and get your message out to them. We can't do that about housing. I yield.","topics_json":"[\"housing\",\"homelessness\"]","vector_id":"vec_seg_95289_1336","created_at":"2026-10-31T07:37:19Z","speaker_name":"Fred A. Neil"},{"id":"seg_95289_1337","meeting_id":"95289","media_asset_id":"med_95289_f20119687f337fb8","agenda_item_id":null,"speaker_id":"off_roy_sudler_jr","speaker_confidence":0.95,"start_sec":19258.71,"end_sec":19261.45,"text":"Thank you, Mr. Fred Neil. Uh, next on the list, please.","topics_json":"[]","vector_id":"vec_seg_95289_1337","created_at":"2026-10-31T07:37:19Z","speaker_name":"Roy Sudler, Jr."},{"id":"seg_95289_1338","meeting_id":"95289","media_asset_id":"med_95289_f20119687f337fb8","agenda_item_id":null,"speaker_id":"spk_95289_city_clerk","speaker_confidence":0.95,"start_sec":19261.45,"end_sec":19262.87,"text":"Brandon Fletcher.","topics_json":"[]","vector_id":"vec_seg_95289_1338","created_at":"2026-10-31T07:37:19Z","speaker_name":null},{"id":"seg_95289_1339","meeting_id":"95289","media_asset_id":"med_95289_f20119687f337fb8","agenda_item_id":null,"speaker_id":"spk_95289_brandon_fletcher","speaker_confidence":0.95,"start_sec":19262.87,"end_sec":19267.47,"text":"Good evening, City Council. Um, my name is Brandon Fletcher from the HOMES Campaign. Um, I just want to say first, finally,","topics_json":"[\"housing\",\"homelessness\"]","vector_id":"vec_seg_95289_1339","created_at":"2026-10-31T07:37:19Z","speaker_name":"Brandon Fletcher"},{"id":"seg_95289_134","meeting_id":"95289","media_asset_id":"med_95289_f20119687f337fb8","agenda_item_id":null,"speaker_id":"spk_95289_roy_sudler_jr","speaker_confidence":0.95,"start_sec":2312.33,"end_sec":2358.04,"text":"With that said, I ask if it is it possible for uh we take up take you up on that offer if if the city clerk and council president agrees that a a a workshop is planned, but could we make it hybrid um if possible if that's easier, so individuals could attend who may not who may or may not be able to get off work uh during the day and/or maybe away? And if we can do that somewhere right after the be- right at the top of the year, so January, February sometime?","topics_json":"[]","vector_id":"vec_seg_95289_134","created_at":"2026-10-31T07:37:16Z","speaker_name":null},{"id":"seg_95289_1340","meeting_id":"95289","media_asset_id":"med_95289_f20119687f337fb8","agenda_item_id":null,"speaker_id":"spk_95289_public_commenter","speaker_confidence":0.95,"start_sec":19267.46,"end_sec":19308.96,"text":"Fining, moving, and jailing people because there's not enough emergency beds and/or affordable housing is not effective. And so what this ordinance does, you're going to charge people with a fine who have no way to eat or no place to stay, so now on top of their problems of being unhoused and unfed, they're going to be in arrears with the City of Dover. And those who try to help them will be fined as well. So instead of coming up with an idea as to how Dover can help people by opening up more shelters and food banks, you're going to fine them?","topics_json":"[\"homelessness\",\"housing\",\"public_safety\"]","vector_id":"vec_seg_95289_1340","created_at":"2026-10-31T07:37:19Z","speaker_name":null},{"id":"seg_95289_1341","meeting_id":"95289","media_asset_id":"med_95289_f20119687f337fb8","agenda_item_id":null,"speaker_id":"spk_95289_public_commenter","speaker_confidence":0.95,"start_sec":19308.96,"end_sec":19339.46,"text":"So you, as taxpayers of Dover, are going to have to pay for the time, the effort, um and eventually the tax burden of this stupid idea from Councilman Anderson. So this idea is not only going to cost you, it's going to cost the City of Dover enforcement, City of Dover police, the City of Dover taxpayers, and the City of Dover's citizenry, um, and every ounce of patience and understanding that the residents have had to sit here and demand that you do something about this issue.","topics_json":"[\"homelessness\",\"taxes\",\"public_safety\"]","vector_id":"vec_seg_95289_1341","created_at":"2026-10-31T07:37:19Z","speaker_name":null},{"id":"seg_95289_1342","meeting_id":"95289","media_asset_id":"med_95289_f20119687f337fb8","agenda_item_id":null,"speaker_id":"spk_95289_public_commenter","speaker_confidence":0.95,"start_sec":19339.46,"end_sec":19379.96,"text":"Fining people does not make our streets safer. This ordinance is not going to make our streets safer, it's not going to make our streets cleaner, it does not get people housed.","topics_json":"[\"homelessness\",\"housing\",\"public_safety\"]","vector_id":"vec_seg_95289_1342","created_at":"2026-10-31T07:37:19Z","speaker_name":null},{"id":"seg_95289_1343","meeting_id":"95289","media_asset_id":"med_95289_f20119687f337fb8","agenda_item_id":null,"speaker_id":"spk_95289_public_commenter","speaker_confidence":0.95,"start_sec":19379.96,"end_sec":19440.96,"text":"Delawareans need more available and appropriate shelter. Um as it was outlined by the the Metropolitan Planning Organization's uh lady today, um she she could not come up with the statistic with a number um to highlight um the the safety aspect of this, and so I encourage the sponsor um to pull this bill and to put forth something that's actually rooted in fact and not fear, um in in in alliance with the Kent County Comprehensive Safety Action Plan. Um furthermore, passing this ordinance um is only going to expose the City of Dover to litigation. The First Amendment protects public uh protects peaceful requests for charity in public spaces. Um solicitation is a recognized form of speech protected by the First Amendment. And so if a person is engaging in behaviors that are a legitimate public safety risk, it's already been outlined that there are um provisions in the city code and our state law that make that behavior illegal. So this ordinance is trying to target panhandlers, um even though panhandling is a constitutionally protected clause, and the case law in this area has only grown stronger with age. Um and so I urge um I urge this council today, I request a motion to table this ordinance. Um please reject Ordinance 21. Um it's unconstitutional, it's cruel, and it's bad policy. Please do not pass it. Thank you.","topics_json":"[\"homelessness\",\"housing\",\"public_safety\"]","vector_id":"vec_seg_95289_1343","created_at":"2026-10-31T07:37:19Z","speaker_name":null},{"id":"seg_95289_1344","meeting_id":"95289","media_asset_id":"med_95289_f20119687f337fb8","agenda_item_id":null,"speaker_id":"off_fred_a_neil","speaker_confidence":0.95,"start_sec":19440.96,"end_sec":19442.86,"text":"Thank you very much.","topics_json":"[]","vector_id":"vec_seg_95289_1344","created_at":"2026-10-31T07:37:19Z","speaker_name":"Fred A. Neil"},{"id":"seg_95289_1345","meeting_id":"95289","media_asset_id":"med_95289_f20119687f337fb8","agenda_item_id":null,"speaker_id":"spk_95289_public_commenter","speaker_confidence":0.95,"start_sec":19442.86,"end_sec":19464.06,"text":"Oh, lastly, um, the petition that was started by Councilman Anderson has 230-something signatures, right? 233, and the petition that we collected has 291. And we highlighted the ones that are in Dover that are Dover residents in your packets, but as the night has been going on, more people have been signing that live in your districts. And so we hope that you listen to the people who showed up today, um, and","topics_json":"[\"homelessness\",\"public_safety\"]","vector_id":"vec_seg_95289_1345","created_at":"2026-10-31T07:37:19Z","speaker_name":null},{"id":"seg_95289_1346","meeting_id":"95289","media_asset_id":"med_95289_f20119687f337fb8","agenda_item_id":null,"speaker_id":"spk_95289_public_commenter","speaker_confidence":0.9,"start_sec":19464.07,"end_sec":19467,"text":"And this will be an issue electorally as well for your elections in 2026.","topics_json":"[]","vector_id":"vec_seg_95289_1346","created_at":"2026-10-31T07:37:19Z","speaker_name":null},{"id":"seg_95289_1347","meeting_id":"95289","media_asset_id":"med_95289_f20119687f337fb8","agenda_item_id":null,"speaker_id":"off_roy_sudler_jr","speaker_confidence":0.95,"start_sec":19467.07,"end_sec":19467.93,"text":"Thank you.","topics_json":"[]","vector_id":"vec_seg_95289_1347","created_at":"2026-10-31T07:37:19Z","speaker_name":"Roy Sudler, Jr."},{"id":"seg_95289_1348","meeting_id":"95289","media_asset_id":"med_95289_f20119687f337fb8","agenda_item_id":null,"speaker_id":"off_roy_sudler_jr","speaker_confidence":0.95,"start_sec":19469.85,"end_sec":19475.92,"text":"Considering 90% of the people support this, it wouldn't be a bad thing. Now let's, now let's go for the next person on the agenda.","topics_json":"[]","vector_id":"vec_seg_95289_1348","created_at":"2026-10-31T07:37:19Z","speaker_name":"Roy Sudler, Jr."},{"id":"seg_95289_1349","meeting_id":"95289","media_asset_id":"med_95289_f20119687f337fb8","agenda_item_id":null,"speaker_id":"spk_95289_city_clerk","speaker_confidence":0.95,"start_sec":19476.14,"end_sec":19477.06,"text":"Stefan Pierce.","topics_json":"[]","vector_id":"vec_seg_95289_1349","created_at":"2026-10-31T07:37:19Z","speaker_name":null},{"id":"seg_95289_135","meeting_id":"95289","media_asset_id":"med_95289_f20119687f337fb8","agenda_item_id":null,"speaker_id":"spk_95289_presenter","speaker_confidence":0.85,"start_sec":2358.04,"end_sec":2358.91,"text":"We can do that. Um","topics_json":"[]","vector_id":"vec_seg_95289_135","created_at":"2026-10-31T07:37:16Z","speaker_name":null},{"id":"seg_95289_1350","meeting_id":"95289","media_asset_id":"med_95289_f20119687f337fb8","agenda_item_id":null,"speaker_id":"off_roy_sudler_jr","speaker_confidence":0.95,"start_sec":19477.21,"end_sec":19478.06,"text":"Thank you.","topics_json":"[]","vector_id":"vec_seg_95289_1350","created_at":"2026-10-31T07:37:19Z","speaker_name":"Roy Sudler, Jr."},{"id":"seg_95289_1351","meeting_id":"95289","media_asset_id":"med_95289_f20119687f337fb8","agenda_item_id":null,"speaker_id":"spk_95289_stefan_pierce","speaker_confidence":0.95,"start_sec":19484.42,"end_sec":19547.88,"text":"Good morning at this point. Stefan Pierce, 437 South Governors Avenue, Place again. Um, I'm going to come in front of you guys and be 100%. Privately, I told Mr. Anderson that I thought this ordinance was a good idea, but that's before I seen how it could affect people that have to make their means, you know, being there. And I know what it's like being homeless. I'm not sure if Mr. Gerald Rocha still on here, but when him and Ms. McBride came through the Peoples Church just a few months ago, I was homeless. And I know what it's like to be like that, and I also know what it's like to have to bust your ass to go do your thing, you know, to, or excuse me, bust your butt to be able to be successful in what you want to do. Not to mention, I think we're all Republicans, most of you guys are Republicans. Don't we believe in the core value of actually--","topics_json":"[\"homelessness\"]","vector_id":"vec_seg_95289_1351","created_at":"2026-10-31T07:37:19Z","speaker_name":"Stefan Pierce"},{"id":"seg_95289_1352","meeting_id":"95289","media_asset_id":"med_95289_f20119687f337fb8","agenda_item_id":null,"speaker_id":"off_andre_m_boggerty","speaker_confidence":0.95,"start_sec":19547.88,"end_sec":19551.81,"text":"Whoa whoa whoa whoa whoa! Fall back! No disrespect to Republicans, but, no, seriously, though.","topics_json":"[]","vector_id":"vec_seg_95289_1352","created_at":"2026-10-31T07:37:19Z","speaker_name":"Andre M. Boggerty"},{"id":"seg_95289_1353","meeting_id":"95289","media_asset_id":"med_95289_f20119687f337fb8","agenda_item_id":null,"speaker_id":"spk_95289_stefan_pierce","speaker_confidence":0.95,"start_sec":19552.31,"end_sec":19565.16,"text":"Well, don't, don't you guys believe in the core value of being able to provide for yourself and your family and yours? What is the real issue with them trying to do that the only way that they have available to them? But, yeah, I'll leave that there. I still do believe that we could work this out a lot better, but not right yet. Please do vote no.","topics_json":"[\"homelessness\"]","vector_id":"vec_seg_95289_1353","created_at":"2026-10-31T07:37:19Z","speaker_name":"Stefan Pierce"},{"id":"seg_95289_1354","meeting_id":"95289","media_asset_id":"med_95289_f20119687f337fb8","agenda_item_id":null,"speaker_id":"spk_95289_stefan_pierce","speaker_confidence":0.95,"start_sec":19566.94,"end_sec":19568.3,"text":"Is a motion to defer an option?","topics_json":"[]","vector_id":"vec_seg_95289_1354","created_at":"2026-10-31T07:37:19Z","speaker_name":"Stefan Pierce"},{"id":"seg_95289_1355","meeting_id":"95289","media_asset_id":"med_95289_f20119687f337fb8","agenda_item_id":null,"speaker_id":"off_roy_sudler_jr","speaker_confidence":0.95,"start_sec":19568.37,"end_sec":19569.73,"text":"Uh, it's always an option.","topics_json":"[]","vector_id":"vec_seg_95289_1355","created_at":"2026-10-31T07:37:19Z","speaker_name":"Roy Sudler, Jr."},{"id":"seg_95289_1356","meeting_id":"95289","media_asset_id":"med_95289_f20119687f337fb8","agenda_item_id":null,"speaker_id":"spk_95289_stefan_pierce","speaker_confidence":0.95,"start_sec":19569.8,"end_sec":19571.01,"text":"Okay, so I want to put that on the table.","topics_json":"[]","vector_id":"vec_seg_95289_1356","created_at":"2026-10-31T07:37:19Z","speaker_name":"Stefan Pierce"},{"id":"seg_95289_1357","meeting_id":"95289","media_asset_id":"med_95289_f20119687f337fb8","agenda_item_id":null,"speaker_id":"off_roy_sudler_jr","speaker_confidence":0.95,"start_sec":19570.44,"end_sec":19571.8,"text":"But that's not something you can do.","topics_json":"[]","vector_id":"vec_seg_95289_1357","created_at":"2026-10-31T07:37:19Z","speaker_name":"Roy Sudler, Jr."},{"id":"seg_95289_1358","meeting_id":"95289","media_asset_id":"med_95289_f20119687f337fb8","agenda_item_id":null,"speaker_id":"spk_95289_stefan_pierce","speaker_confidence":0.95,"start_sec":19571.87,"end_sec":19574.15,"text":"I can do, I know. I'm asking you. I'm asking you. I'm asking you.","topics_json":"[]","vector_id":"vec_seg_95289_1358","created_at":"2026-10-31T07:37:19Z","speaker_name":"Stefan Pierce"},{"id":"seg_95289_1359","meeting_id":"95289","media_asset_id":"med_95289_f20119687f337fb8","agenda_item_id":null,"speaker_id":"off_roy_sudler_jr","speaker_confidence":0.95,"start_sec":19574.23,"end_sec":19608.92,"text":"Thank you. I, um, yeah, thank you. Next uh, next on the agenda, please. Next person. We're getting comments.","topics_json":"[]","vector_id":"vec_seg_95289_1359","created_at":"2026-10-31T07:37:19Z","speaker_name":"Roy Sudler, Jr."},{"id":"seg_95289_136","meeting_id":"95289","media_asset_id":"med_95289_f20119687f337fb8","agenda_item_id":null,"speaker_id":"off_roy_sudler_jr","speaker_confidence":0.95,"start_sec":2358.6,"end_sec":2359.28,"text":"I appreciate that. Can I","topics_json":"[]","vector_id":"vec_seg_95289_136","created_at":"2026-10-31T07:37:16Z","speaker_name":"Roy Sudler, Jr."},{"id":"seg_95289_1360","meeting_id":"95289","media_asset_id":"med_95289_f20119687f337fb8","agenda_item_id":null,"speaker_id":"spk_95289_stefan_pierce","speaker_confidence":0.9,"start_sec":19610.21,"end_sec":19611.49,"text":"I know, he just doesn't like answering my questions.","topics_json":"[]","vector_id":"vec_seg_95289_1360","created_at":"2026-10-31T07:37:19Z","speaker_name":"Stefan Pierce"},{"id":"seg_95289_1361","meeting_id":"95289","media_asset_id":"med_95289_f20119687f337fb8","agenda_item_id":null,"speaker_id":"off_roy_sudler_jr","speaker_confidence":0.95,"start_sec":19611.71,"end_sec":19618.77,"text":"All right, I did. It's always an option, but that's not, that's for members of committee. Right now, we're getting public comments. 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You still awake? You good? I want to make sure you're not on drugs. I saw you with a mobility aid. I don't want you to fall down, you might be on drugs. You know anybody here that's got diabetes? You ever see what happens when you have somebody with a diabetes fit? They look like they're drunk. 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But that's that, but that's what it is. So, is there anyone else?","topics_json":"[\"public_safety\"]","vector_id":"vec_seg_95289_1378","created_at":"2026-10-31T07:37:19Z","speaker_name":"Roy Sudler, Jr."},{"id":"seg_95289_1379","meeting_id":"95289","media_asset_id":"med_95289_f20119687f337fb8","agenda_item_id":null,"speaker_id":"spk_95289_city_clerk","speaker_confidence":0.9,"start_sec":19873.14,"end_sec":19875.42,"text":"Yes, one more. 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My name My name is Jeannie Anderson and","topics_json":"[]","vector_id":"vec_seg_95289_1384","created_at":"2026-10-31T07:37:19Z","speaker_name":"Jeannie Anderson"},{"id":"seg_95289_1385","meeting_id":"95289","media_asset_id":"med_95289_f20119687f337fb8","agenda_item_id":null,"speaker_id":"off_roy_sudler_jr","speaker_confidence":0.95,"start_sec":19893.54,"end_sec":19894.25,"text":"From what town?","topics_json":"[]","vector_id":"vec_seg_95289_1385","created_at":"2026-10-31T07:37:19Z","speaker_name":"Roy Sudler, Jr."},{"id":"seg_95289_1386","meeting_id":"95289","media_asset_id":"med_95289_f20119687f337fb8","agenda_item_id":null,"speaker_id":"spk_95289_jeannie_anderson","speaker_confidence":0.95,"start_sec":19894.25,"end_sec":19894.96,"text":"Dover, Delaware.","topics_json":"[]","vector_id":"vec_seg_95289_1386","created_at":"2026-10-31T07:37:19Z","speaker_name":"Jeannie Anderson"},{"id":"seg_95289_1387","meeting_id":"95289","media_asset_id":"med_95289_f20119687f337fb8","agenda_item_id":null,"speaker_id":"off_roy_sudler_jr","speaker_confidence":0.95,"start_sec":19894.96,"end_sec":19895.67,"text":"Thank you.","topics_json":"[]","vector_id":"vec_seg_95289_1387","created_at":"2026-10-31T07:37:19Z","speaker_name":"Roy Sudler, Jr."},{"id":"seg_95289_1388","meeting_id":"95289","media_asset_id":"med_95289_f20119687f337fb8","agenda_item_id":null,"speaker_id":"spk_95289_jeannie_anderson","speaker_confidence":0.95,"start_sec":19895.67,"end_sec":19940.31,"text":"My concern is is I was at the light in front of ALDI's. 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It's not just the voices that we have here. I don't know why people left whatever it was online, but we have literally got hundreds of people that are on here because I've been personally affected by this. You know, it's like it's like people that have been affected, it's like our rights, we don't count? I I think I I think I should count, too. I've been a victim of crime, and I could not move. I couldn't move to the left, I couldn't move to the right, and I'm not allowed to have a voice because somebody This is ridiculous.","topics_json":"[\"public_safety\"]","vector_id":"vec_seg_95289_1389","created_at":"2026-10-31T07:37:19Z","speaker_name":"Jeannie Anderson"},{"id":"seg_95289_139","meeting_id":"95289","media_asset_id":"med_95289_f20119687f337fb8","agenda_item_id":null,"speaker_id":"spk_95289_presenter","speaker_confidence":0.9,"start_sec":2368.15,"end_sec":2371.29,"text":"Uh, we have lots of thick plans and maps","topics_json":"[]","vector_id":"vec_seg_95289_139","created_at":"2026-10-31T07:37:16Z","speaker_name":null},{"id":"seg_95289_1390","meeting_id":"95289","media_asset_id":"med_95289_f20119687f337fb8","agenda_item_id":null,"speaker_id":"off_roy_sudler_jr","speaker_confidence":0.95,"start_sec":19968.82,"end_sec":19969.88,"text":"Thank you. 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So, things like that, really thinking about, you know, what does it look like to be walking, and how how do I as a walker need to be seeing cars and how can cars be seeing me?","topics_json":"[\"public_safety\",\"zoning\"]","vector_id":"vec_seg_95289_152","created_at":"2026-10-31T07:37:16Z","speaker_name":null},{"id":"seg_95289_153","meeting_id":"95289","media_asset_id":"med_95289_f20119687f337fb8","agenda_item_id":null,"speaker_id":"spk_95289_smyk","speaker_confidence":0.9,"start_sec":2546.17,"end_sec":2546.98,"text":"Thank you.","topics_json":"[]","vector_id":"vec_seg_95289_153","created_at":"2026-10-31T07:37:16Z","speaker_name":"Smyk"},{"id":"seg_95289_154","meeting_id":"95289","media_asset_id":"med_95289_f20119687f337fb8","agenda_item_id":null,"speaker_id":"spk_95289_presenter","speaker_confidence":0.9,"start_sec":2546.98,"end_sec":2547.73,"text":"Mm-hmm.","topics_json":"[]","vector_id":"vec_seg_95289_154","created_at":"2026-10-31T07:37:16Z","speaker_name":null},{"id":"seg_95289_155","meeting_id":"95289","media_asset_id":"med_95289_f20119687f337fb8","agenda_item_id":null,"speaker_id":"off_roy_sudler_jr","speaker_confidence":0.95,"start_sec":2549.58,"end_sec":2553.31,"text":"The Any other questions, Committee Smyk? Mm-hmm. Any other questions?","topics_json":"[]","vector_id":"vec_seg_95289_155","created_at":"2026-10-31T07:37:16Z","speaker_name":"Roy Sudler, Jr."},{"id":"seg_95289_156","meeting_id":"95289","media_asset_id":"med_95289_f20119687f337fb8","agenda_item_id":null,"speaker_id":"spk_95289_presenter","speaker_confidence":0.8,"start_sec":2553.31,"end_sec":2554.14,"text":"Councilwoman Arndt.","topics_json":"[]","vector_id":"vec_seg_95289_156","created_at":"2026-10-31T07:37:16Z","speaker_name":null},{"id":"seg_95289_157","meeting_id":"95289","media_asset_id":"med_95289_f20119687f337fb8","agenda_item_id":null,"speaker_id":"off_roy_sudler_jr","speaker_confidence":0.95,"start_sec":2554.14,"end_sec":2555.89,"text":"All right. You just have to yell. The chair recognizes Council—","topics_json":"[]","vector_id":"vec_seg_95289_157","created_at":"2026-10-31T07:37:16Z","speaker_name":"Roy Sudler, Jr."},{"id":"seg_95289_158","meeting_id":"95289","media_asset_id":"med_95289_f20119687f337fb8","agenda_item_id":null,"speaker_id":"off_andre_m_boggerty","speaker_confidence":0.95,"start_sec":2555.89,"end_sec":2557.42,"text":"Councilman Dr. Sudler.","topics_json":"[]","vector_id":"vec_seg_95289_158","created_at":"2026-10-31T07:37:16Z","speaker_name":"Andre M. Boggerty"},{"id":"seg_95289_159","meeting_id":"95289","media_asset_id":"med_95289_f20119687f337fb8","agenda_item_id":null,"speaker_id":"off_roy_sudler_jr","speaker_confidence":0.95,"start_sec":2557.42,"end_sec":2564.88,"text":"Thank you, Chairman Boggerty. In regards to pedestrians and walking, have you had any discussion in regards to individuals on the median?","topics_json":"[\"public_safety\"]","vector_id":"vec_seg_95289_159","created_at":"2026-10-31T07:37:16Z","speaker_name":"Roy Sudler, Jr."},{"id":"seg_95289_16","meeting_id":"95289","media_asset_id":"med_95289_f20119687f337fb8","agenda_item_id":null,"speaker_id":"off_fred_a_neil","speaker_confidence":0.95,"start_sec":115.8,"end_sec":122.5,"text":"Miss Hall is not here. Mr. Lewis? Mr. Lewis is not here. Third District: Miss Arndt.","topics_json":"[]","vector_id":"vec_seg_95289_16","created_at":"2026-10-31T07:37:16Z","speaker_name":"Fred A. 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Having said that, we've had some conversations. So, the medians are there for a reason. The medians are there to channelize traffic. Sometimes the medians are there to be the placeholder for signage. Sometimes the medians are there because you're running utilities underneath them. There's a variety of reasons why medians are there. And they're not going to not be there. So, the the median, sometimes the median is there, so say you have, let's think about US 13 in places where you have three lanes in each direction or you have two lanes and you have two turning lanes, people need a refuge when they're crossing all those lanes. People need a place to be safe when they traverse all those lanes of traffic. So, there's a reason to have the median. And I'm kind of going to guess where you're going with this, um, but there's a reason to have the median. They do serve a purpose.","topics_json":"[\"public_safety\"]","vector_id":"vec_seg_95289_162","created_at":"2026-10-31T07:37:16Z","speaker_name":null},{"id":"seg_95289_163","meeting_id":"95289","media_asset_id":"med_95289_f20119687f337fb8","agenda_item_id":null,"speaker_id":"off_roy_sudler_jr","speaker_confidence":0.95,"start_sec":2661.74,"end_sec":2669.04,"text":"In your injury, um, report, do you see any cases where individuals who have been walking up and down the median have been injured?","topics_json":"[\"public_safety\"]","vector_id":"vec_seg_95289_163","created_at":"2026-10-31T07:37:16Z","speaker_name":"Roy Sudler, Jr."},{"id":"seg_95289_164","meeting_id":"95289","media_asset_id":"med_95289_f20119687f337fb8","agenda_item_id":null,"speaker_id":"spk_95289_female_speaker","speaker_confidence":0.9,"start_sec":2669.04,"end_sec":2671.41,"text":"Uh, I don't recall off the top of my head. I don't know.","topics_json":"[\"public_safety\"]","vector_id":"vec_seg_95289_164","created_at":"2026-10-31T07:37:16Z","speaker_name":null},{"id":"seg_95289_165","meeting_id":"95289","media_asset_id":"med_95289_f20119687f337fb8","agenda_item_id":null,"speaker_id":"off_roy_sudler_jr","speaker_confidence":0.95,"start_sec":2671.41,"end_sec":2674.21,"text":"Thank you. I yield. Thank you.","topics_json":"[]","vector_id":"vec_seg_95289_165","created_at":"2026-10-31T07:37:16Z","speaker_name":"Roy Sudler, Jr."},{"id":"seg_95289_166","meeting_id":"95289","media_asset_id":"med_95289_f20119687f337fb8","agenda_item_id":null,"speaker_id":"off_andre_m_boggerty","speaker_confidence":0.95,"start_sec":2674.21,"end_sec":2677.18,"text":"All right. The Chair recognizes Councilwoman Hall.","topics_json":"[]","vector_id":"vec_seg_95289_166","created_at":"2026-10-31T07:37:16Z","speaker_name":"Andre M. Boggerty"},{"id":"seg_95289_167","meeting_id":"95289","media_asset_id":"med_95289_f20119687f337fb8","agenda_item_id":null,"speaker_id":"off_donyale_m_hall","speaker_confidence":0.95,"start_sec":2677.18,"end_sec":2752.5,"text":"Thank you for recognizing me, Mr. Chairman. My question, um, deals as a spinoff from that median question. Um, when I looked in, uh, I looked it up online about, you know, those refuges that you're that you're speaking of. Um, to me, a common sense approach would be to put some signage up that says this is a clear place where that exists and it's a spot where you could have that refuge versus, you know, uh, no stopping, standing, or parking for driving. Um, is that something that is, um, in your purview to be able to look at possibly creating, um, some signage that would be clear indicators of where it's permissible for people to have that refuge? I yield.","topics_json":"[\"public_safety\"]","vector_id":"vec_seg_95289_167","created_at":"2026-10-31T07:37:16Z","speaker_name":"Donyale M. Hall"},{"id":"seg_95289_168","meeting_id":"95289","media_asset_id":"med_95289_f20119687f337fb8","agenda_item_id":null,"speaker_id":"spk_95289_female_speaker","speaker_confidence":0.9,"start_sec":2752.5,"end_sec":2752.5,"text":"I'm going to say broadly, yes. Um, but it's very, so if you think about new construction, so when a road gets, um, a new alignment or if any of you have had the great opportunity to jaunt down to Camden by where our office is and the new Camden bypass is going in, um, a lot of effort is, I mean, this this bypass is being constructed under the Safe Streets, uh, guidance. So, any place where there's a pedestrian crossing, a bike ped crossing, there will be like what you're talking about, kind of that, I'll use for lack of a better word, because I'm not an engineer, modern, there will be","topics_json":"[\"public_safety\"]","vector_id":"vec_seg_95289_168","created_at":"2026-10-31T07:37:16Z","speaker_name":null},{"id":"seg_95289_169","meeting_id":"95289","media_asset_id":"med_95289_f20119687f337fb8","agenda_item_id":null,"speaker_id":"spk_95289_marilyn_smith","speaker_confidence":0.85,"start_sec":2752.49,"end_sec":2760.65,"text":"the modern refuges that allow that space and signage that are really clear about that.","topics_json":"[\"public_safety\"]","vector_id":"vec_seg_95289_169","created_at":"2026-10-31T07:37:16Z","speaker_name":"Marilyn Smith"},{"id":"seg_95289_17","meeting_id":"95289","media_asset_id":"med_95289_f20119687f337fb8","agenda_item_id":null,"speaker_id":"off_tricia_k_arndt","speaker_confidence":0.95,"start_sec":122.5,"end_sec":130.5,"text":"Thank you, Council President. I'll be submitting my comments in writing to the clerk's office to include in the um the minutes the next time around. Thank you.","topics_json":"[]","vector_id":"vec_seg_95289_17","created_at":"2026-10-31T07:37:16Z","speaker_name":"Tricia K. Arndt"},{"id":"seg_95289_170","meeting_id":"95289","media_asset_id":"med_95289_f20119687f337fb8","agenda_item_id":null,"speaker_id":"spk_95289_marilyn_smith","speaker_confidence":0.85,"start_sec":2761.41,"end_sec":2789.29,"text":"Now, fast- move to a different location where we're, I mean we have some older places, right? We have some older infrastructure that hasn't had a a re-do in a while, and so the median is small, it's not at the same standard. And so, do we have some work that could be done to make them better refuges? Sure. But it it some of them, I mean how long they've been on the ground, I don't I have no idea.","topics_json":"[\"public_safety\"]","vector_id":"vec_seg_95289_170","created_at":"2026-10-31T07:37:16Z","speaker_name":"Marilyn Smith"},{"id":"seg_95289_171","meeting_id":"95289","media_asset_id":"med_95289_f20119687f337fb8","agenda_item_id":null,"speaker_id":"off_donyale_m_hall","speaker_confidence":0.9,"start_sec":2789.83,"end_sec":2799.35,"text":"I have one follow-up question, I apologize, because I did yield. Um who would be responsible for the cost of that type of signage?","topics_json":"[\"budget\",\"public_safety\"]","vector_id":"vec_seg_95289_171","created_at":"2026-10-31T07:37:16Z","speaker_name":"Donyale M. Hall"},{"id":"seg_95289_172","meeting_id":"95289","media_asset_id":"med_95289_f20119687f337fb8","agenda_item_id":null,"speaker_id":"spk_95289_marilyn_smith","speaker_confidence":0.85,"start_sec":2801.83,"end_sec":2818.73,"text":"Uh I would have to I would have to phone a friend on that one um because I'm just not uh very knowledgeable about which signage is the city's responsibility, which is um that's little out of my purview. I don't know.","topics_json":"[\"public_safety\"]","vector_id":"vec_seg_95289_172","created_at":"2026-10-31T07:37:16Z","speaker_name":"Marilyn Smith"},{"id":"seg_95289_173","meeting_id":"95289","media_asset_id":"med_95289_f20119687f337fb8","agenda_item_id":null,"speaker_id":"off_donyale_m_hall","speaker_confidence":0.9,"start_sec":2819.73,"end_sec":2822.85,"text":"Could you get back with me on that if I give you my information? Thank you.","topics_json":"[]","vector_id":"vec_seg_95289_173","created_at":"2026-10-31T07:37:16Z","speaker_name":"Donyale M. 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Rocha, Sr."},{"id":"seg_95289_178","meeting_id":"95289","media_asset_id":"med_95289_f20119687f337fb8","agenda_item_id":null,"speaker_id":"off_gerald_l_rocha_sr","speaker_confidence":0.85,"start_sec":2834.87,"end_sec":2834.87,"text":"Yeah, uh is there any of Now, members of the public that Can you please approach, and you know,","topics_json":"[]","vector_id":"vec_seg_95289_178","created_at":"2026-10-31T07:37:16Z","speaker_name":"Gerald L. Rocha, Sr."},{"id":"seg_95289_179","meeting_id":"95289","media_asset_id":"med_95289_f20119687f337fb8","agenda_item_id":null,"speaker_id":"spk_95289_chunk15_speaker_4","speaker_confidence":0.8,"start_sec":2847.37,"end_sec":2877.63,"text":"Are you able to let us know how many um how many uh injuries are from people on foot or bicyclists? Because you said that there were an increase. So how many of those individuals were on foot, how many were bicyclists, um you know, scooters, whatever, but how we want to know you know, were there any pedestrians that made You know, and I'm just going to just say what it is, you know, do you have panhandlers, or you know, is it people that were on bikes? Can you give us that information?","topics_json":"[\"public_safety\"]","vector_id":"vec_seg_95289_179","created_at":"2026-10-31T07:37:16Z","speaker_name":null},{"id":"seg_95289_18","meeting_id":"95289","media_asset_id":"med_95289_f20119687f337fb8","agenda_item_id":null,"speaker_id":"off_fred_a_neil","speaker_confidence":0.95,"start_sec":130.5,"end_sec":135.5,"text":"Fourth District: Mr. Anderson and Dr. Sudler. Mr. Anderson.","topics_json":"[]","vector_id":"vec_seg_95289_18","created_at":"2026-10-31T07:37:16Z","speaker_name":"Fred A. Neil"},{"id":"seg_95289_180","meeting_id":"95289","media_asset_id":"med_95289_f20119687f337fb8","agenda_item_id":null,"speaker_id":"spk_95289_marilyn_smith","speaker_confidence":0.85,"start_sec":2878.17,"end_sec":2912.53,"text":"Um, I can't I (cough) Pardon me, sorry. I can't off the top of my head because I just don't remember. But the data is all included in the Comprehensive Safety Action Plan. So you see that little part, that little box? Um the Comprehensive Safety Action Plan is on the Dover/Kent MPO website, and when you scroll down to the section that outlines where you see that little map, um that's where you're going to see the data analysis of all of those uh fatalities and serious injuries. I don't I I don't know them off off the top of my head.","topics_json":"[\"public_safety\"]","vector_id":"vec_seg_95289_180","created_at":"2026-10-31T07:37:16Z","speaker_name":"Marilyn Smith"},{"id":"seg_95289_181","meeting_id":"95289","media_asset_id":"med_95289_f20119687f337fb8","agenda_item_id":null,"speaker_id":"spk_95289_chunk15_speaker_4","speaker_confidence":0.8,"start_sec":2912.85,"end_sec":2917.01,"text":"So you don't even know like a vague percentage, 1%, 2%?","topics_json":"[\"public_safety\"]","vector_id":"vec_seg_95289_181","created_at":"2026-10-31T07:37:16Z","speaker_name":null},{"id":"seg_95289_182","meeting_id":"95289","media_asset_id":"med_95289_f20119687f337fb8","agenda_item_id":null,"speaker_id":"spk_95289_marilyn_smith","speaker_confidence":0.85,"start_sec":2917.33,"end_sec":2919.79,"text":"I I don't know them off the top of my head, no. I'm sorry.","topics_json":"[]","vector_id":"vec_seg_95289_182","created_at":"2026-10-31T07:37:16Z","speaker_name":"Marilyn Smith"},{"id":"seg_95289_183","meeting_id":"95289","media_asset_id":"med_95289_f20119687f337fb8","agenda_item_id":null,"speaker_id":"spk_95289_chunk15_speaker_4","speaker_confidence":0.8,"start_sec":2919.79,"end_sec":2920.91,"text":"It will be listed?","topics_json":"[]","vector_id":"vec_seg_95289_183","created_at":"2026-10-31T07:37:16Z","speaker_name":null},{"id":"seg_95289_184","meeting_id":"95289","media_asset_id":"med_95289_f20119687f337fb8","agenda_item_id":null,"speaker_id":"spk_95289_marilyn_smith","speaker_confidence":0.85,"start_sec":2920.91,"end_sec":2924.55,"text":"It is in, yes. The data is listed in the Safety Action Plan, yes, ma'am.","topics_json":"[\"public_safety\"]","vector_id":"vec_seg_95289_184","created_at":"2026-10-31T07:37:16Z","speaker_name":"Marilyn Smith"},{"id":"seg_95289_185","meeting_id":"95289","media_asset_id":"med_95289_f20119687f337fb8","agenda_item_id":null,"speaker_id":"spk_95289_chunk15_speaker_4","speaker_confidence":0.8,"start_sec":2924.55,"end_sec":2925.83,"text":"Thank you.","topics_json":"[]","vector_id":"vec_seg_95289_185","created_at":"2026-10-31T07:37:16Z","speaker_name":null},{"id":"seg_95289_186","meeting_id":"95289","media_asset_id":"med_95289_f20119687f337fb8","agenda_item_id":null,"speaker_id":"off_gerald_l_rocha_sr","speaker_confidence":0.85,"start_sec":2927.17,"end_sec":2928.77,"text":"Are there any more questions?","topics_json":"[]","vector_id":"vec_seg_95289_186","created_at":"2026-10-31T07:37:16Z","speaker_name":"Gerald L. Rocha, Sr."},{"id":"seg_95289_187","meeting_id":"95289","media_asset_id":"med_95289_f20119687f337fb8","agenda_item_id":null,"speaker_id":"spk_95289_marilyn_smith","speaker_confidence":0.85,"start_sec":2929.23,"end_sec":2947.89,"text":"Oh, and can I just And and the data is available at DelDOT. I mean, everybody can get the data on the DelDOT website, and DelDOT updates safety information every single week. So that data is available publicly all the time.","topics_json":"[\"public_safety\"]","vector_id":"vec_seg_95289_187","created_at":"2026-10-31T07:37:16Z","speaker_name":"Marilyn Smith"},{"id":"seg_95289_188","meeting_id":"95289","media_asset_id":"med_95289_f20119687f337fb8","agenda_item_id":null,"speaker_id":"spk_95289_chunk15_speaker_4","speaker_confidence":0.8,"start_sec":2947.89,"end_sec":2949.09,"text":"Okay. I just I just have","topics_json":"[]","vector_id":"vec_seg_95289_188","created_at":"2026-10-31T07:37:16Z","speaker_name":null},{"id":"seg_95289_189","meeting_id":"95289","media_asset_id":"med_95289_f20119687f337fb8","agenda_item_id":null,"speaker_id":"off_donyale_m_hall","speaker_confidence":0.95,"start_sec":2949.1,"end_sec":2967.66,"text":"that question, because I think this ordinance in itself, or what is surrounding, we need actual factual data that's dealing with the actual ordinance itself. Because we're they're concentrating on medians, panhandling, and safety. So, with that data, when we're talking about high-risk and safety, we want to know specifically how this how it, you know, how this actually, those numbers apply to this particular subject matter. That's it.","topics_json":"[\"public_safety\"]","vector_id":"vec_seg_95289_189","created_at":"2026-10-31T07:37:16Z","speaker_name":"Donyale M. 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Uh we've already dealt with some, but you'll be seeing good information from that","topics_json":"[\"public_safety\"]","vector_id":"vec_seg_95289_19","created_at":"2026-10-31T07:37:16Z","speaker_name":"David L. Anderson"},{"id":"seg_95289_190","meeting_id":"95289","media_asset_id":"med_95289_f20119687f337fb8","agenda_item_id":null,"speaker_id":"spk_95289_mpo_representative","speaker_confidence":0.9,"start_sec":2968.28,"end_sec":2973.47,"text":"And that I, again, I I don't know that detail of information. I I just don't know that.","topics_json":"[\"public_safety\"]","vector_id":"vec_seg_95289_190","created_at":"2026-10-31T07:37:16Z","speaker_name":null},{"id":"seg_95289_191","meeting_id":"95289","media_asset_id":"med_95289_f20119687f337fb8","agenda_item_id":null,"speaker_id":"off_donyale_m_hall","speaker_confidence":0.9,"start_sec":2973.47,"end_sec":2974.11,"text":"Thank you.","topics_json":"[]","vector_id":"vec_seg_95289_191","created_at":"2026-10-31T07:37:16Z","speaker_name":"Donyale M. 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The chair recognizes Councilman Lewis.","topics_json":"[]","vector_id":"vec_seg_95289_193","created_at":"2026-10-31T07:37:16Z","speaker_name":null},{"id":"seg_95289_194","meeting_id":"95289","media_asset_id":"med_95289_f20119687f337fb8","agenda_item_id":null,"speaker_id":"off_brian_e_lewis","speaker_confidence":0.98,"start_sec":2977,"end_sec":2978.63,"text":"Thank you, and good evening.","topics_json":"[]","vector_id":"vec_seg_95289_194","created_at":"2026-10-31T07:37:16Z","speaker_name":"Brian E. Lewis"},{"id":"seg_95289_195","meeting_id":"95289","media_asset_id":"med_95289_f20119687f337fb8","agenda_item_id":null,"speaker_id":"spk_95289_mpo_representative","speaker_confidence":0.9,"start_sec":2978.63,"end_sec":2979.27,"text":"Good evening.","topics_json":"[]","vector_id":"vec_seg_95289_195","created_at":"2026-10-31T07:37:16Z","speaker_name":null},{"id":"seg_95289_196","meeting_id":"95289","media_asset_id":"med_95289_f20119687f337fb8","agenda_item_id":null,"speaker_id":"off_brian_e_lewis","speaker_confidence":0.98,"start_sec":2979.27,"end_sec":2982.73,"text":"I uh I'm looking here at the box with the map in it that you are referring to,","topics_json":"[\"public_safety\"]","vector_id":"vec_seg_95289_196","created_at":"2026-10-31T07:37:16Z","speaker_name":"Brian E. Lewis"},{"id":"seg_95289_197","meeting_id":"95289","media_asset_id":"med_95289_f20119687f337fb8","agenda_item_id":null,"speaker_id":"spk_95289_mpo_representative","speaker_confidence":0.9,"start_sec":2982.73,"end_sec":2983.19,"text":"Okay.","topics_json":"[]","vector_id":"vec_seg_95289_197","created_at":"2026-10-31T07:37:16Z","speaker_name":null},{"id":"seg_95289_198","meeting_id":"95289","media_asset_id":"med_95289_f20119687f337fb8","agenda_item_id":null,"speaker_id":"off_brian_e_lewis","speaker_confidence":0.98,"start_sec":2983.19,"end_sec":2983.71,"text":"Yeah.","topics_json":"[]","vector_id":"vec_seg_95289_198","created_at":"2026-10-31T07:37:16Z","speaker_name":"Brian E. 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Lewis"},{"id":"seg_95289_209","meeting_id":"95289","media_asset_id":"med_95289_f20119687f337fb8","agenda_item_id":null,"speaker_id":"spk_95289_mpo_representative","speaker_confidence":0.9,"start_sec":3041.54,"end_sec":3042.23,"text":"Yes.","topics_json":"[]","vector_id":"vec_seg_95289_209","created_at":"2026-10-31T07:37:16Z","speaker_name":null},{"id":"seg_95289_21","meeting_id":"95289","media_asset_id":"med_95289_f20119687f337fb8","agenda_item_id":null,"speaker_id":"off_fred_a_neil","speaker_confidence":0.95,"start_sec":205.11,"end_sec":207.11,"text":"I thank you, sir. Dr. Sudler.","topics_json":"[]","vector_id":"vec_seg_95289_21","created_at":"2026-10-31T07:37:16Z","speaker_name":"Fred A. 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I'm I'm not I can't speculate as to why.","topics_json":"[\"budget\",\"public_safety\"]","vector_id":"vec_seg_95289_210","created_at":"2026-10-31T07:37:16Z","speaker_name":null},{"id":"seg_95289_211","meeting_id":"95289","media_asset_id":"med_95289_f20119687f337fb8","agenda_item_id":null,"speaker_id":"off_brian_e_lewis","speaker_confidence":0.98,"start_sec":3109.39,"end_sec":3111.22,"text":"Okay, because th- this map is kind of hard to see.","topics_json":"[\"public_safety\"]","vector_id":"vec_seg_95289_211","created_at":"2026-10-31T07:37:16Z","speaker_name":"Brian E. 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I mean, I'd like a breakdown of what those fatalities were. Was it that uh somebody was crossing the street and and got run over by a vehicle, or was it somebody on a bicycle, uh","topics_json":"[\"public_safety\"]","vector_id":"vec_seg_95289_217","created_at":"2026-10-31T07:37:16Z","speaker_name":"Brian E. Lewis"},{"id":"seg_95289_218","meeting_id":"95289","media_asset_id":"med_95289_f20119687f337fb8","agenda_item_id":null,"speaker_id":"off_brian_e_lewis","speaker_confidence":0.95,"start_sec":3145.71,"end_sec":3152.81,"text":"Where can I get that information? Where can I get those statistics that are specific to those fatalities? Police department don't have it.","topics_json":"[\"public_safety\"]","vector_id":"vec_seg_95289_218","created_at":"2026-10-31T07:37:16Z","speaker_name":"Brian E. 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Also on Conwell Street, there's still some overgrowth um where the utility um, I want to say the utility or Comcast uh wires um on Conwell Street near Ms. Heath, Mr. and Mrs. Heath um unit on Conwell Street, sits off to the back. Still needs to be um addressed. And also some speeding issues on College Road. Uh we've had some concerns about individuals like somewhat like drag racing or speeding on College Road. In addition to uh Salisbury Road, how it's so backed up on Salisbury Road between 2:00 and 6:00 or 2:00 and 5:00 uh p.m. At this present moment, that would conclude my report. Additional information is forthcoming. I yield.","topics_json":"[\"public_safety\"]","vector_id":"vec_seg_95289_22","created_at":"2026-10-31T07:37:16Z","speaker_name":"Roy Sudler, Jr."},{"id":"seg_95289_220","meeting_id":"95289","media_asset_id":"med_95289_f20119687f337fb8","agenda_item_id":null,"speaker_id":"off_brian_e_lewis","speaker_confidence":0.95,"start_sec":3154.21,"end_sec":3156.61,"text":"I don't believe the police department has it.","topics_json":"[\"public_safety\"]","vector_id":"vec_seg_95289_220","created_at":"2026-10-31T07:37:16Z","speaker_name":"Brian E. 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Neil"},{"id":"seg_95289_230","meeting_id":"95289","media_asset_id":"med_95289_f20119687f337fb8","agenda_item_id":null,"speaker_id":"spk_95289_chanda_jackson","speaker_confidence":0.95,"start_sec":3193.01,"end_sec":3197.21,"text":"Good evening. Thank you. Hi. Um...","topics_json":"[\"public_safety\"]","vector_id":"vec_seg_95289_230","created_at":"2026-10-31T07:37:16Z","speaker_name":"Chanda Jackson"},{"id":"seg_95289_231","meeting_id":"95289","media_asset_id":"med_95289_f20119687f337fb8","agenda_item_id":null,"speaker_id":"spk_95289_chanda_jackson","speaker_confidence":0.95,"start_sec":3197.21,"end_sec":3209.11,"text":"The same subject, all right? The Kent County Comprehensive Safety Action Plan. Um, it says currently that we're awaiting for awards to be announced. Do you do you have a timeline for that?","topics_json":"[\"public_safety\"]","vector_id":"vec_seg_95289_231","created_at":"2026-10-31T07:37:16Z","speaker_name":"Chanda Jackson"},{"id":"seg_95289_232","meeting_id":"95289","media_asset_id":"med_95289_f20119687f337fb8","agenda_item_id":null,"speaker_id":"spk_95289_presenter","speaker_confidence":0.9,"start_sec":3209.11,"end_sec":3226.71,"text":"No. All federal pretty much all federal grant funds are uh federal grant opportunities are under review. So we do not. But when we submitted the grant they said spring. So no, I don't have anything good.","topics_json":"[\"public_safety\"]","vector_id":"vec_seg_95289_232","created_at":"2026-10-31T07:37:16Z","speaker_name":null},{"id":"seg_95289_233","meeting_id":"95289","media_asset_id":"med_95289_f20119687f337fb8","agenda_item_id":null,"speaker_id":"spk_95289_chanda_jackson","speaker_confidence":0.95,"start_sec":3226.71,"end_sec":3232.91,"text":"Okay. I'm sorry. And so the the outcome of that is really to just do a deeper dive on this area? Is that what that is?","topics_json":"[\"public_safety\"]","vector_id":"vec_seg_95289_233","created_at":"2026-10-31T07:37:16Z","speaker_name":"Chanda Jackson"},{"id":"seg_95289_234","meeting_id":"95289","media_asset_id":"med_95289_f20119687f337fb8","agenda_item_id":null,"speaker_id":"spk_95289_presenter","speaker_confidence":0.9,"start_sec":3232.91,"end_sec":3256.81,"text":"Yeah, the the outcome of that is if you look at, if you could see it bigger, you'll see that there's a high concentration of um high injury network on that US 13 corridor. It's a lot. And so, yes, we would do an even deeper dive almost like block by block or intersection by intersection. Mhm. That's what we would propose to do.","topics_json":"[\"public_safety\"]","vector_id":"vec_seg_95289_234","created_at":"2026-10-31T07:37:16Z","speaker_name":null},{"id":"seg_95289_235","meeting_id":"95289","media_asset_id":"med_95289_f20119687f337fb8","agenda_item_id":null,"speaker_id":"spk_95289_chanda_jackson","speaker_confidence":0.95,"start_sec":3256.81,"end_sec":3262.91,"text":"Okay. And then based off of that the result of the study, you would identify solutions to be able to prevent it. Okay.","topics_json":"[\"public_safety\"]","vector_id":"vec_seg_95289_235","created_at":"2026-10-31T07:37:16Z","speaker_name":"Chanda Jackson"},{"id":"seg_95289_236","meeting_id":"95289","media_asset_id":"med_95289_f20119687f337fb8","agenda_item_id":null,"speaker_id":"spk_95289_presenter","speaker_confidence":0.9,"start_sec":3262.91,"end_sec":3263.91,"text":"Yes. Yes, ma'am.","topics_json":"[\"public_safety\"]","vector_id":"vec_seg_95289_236","created_at":"2026-10-31T07:37:16Z","speaker_name":null},{"id":"seg_95289_237","meeting_id":"95289","media_asset_id":"med_95289_f20119687f337fb8","agenda_item_id":null,"speaker_id":"spk_95289_chanda_jackson","speaker_confidence":0.95,"start_sec":3263.91,"end_sec":3264.71,"text":"Thank you.","topics_json":"[\"public_safety\"]","vector_id":"vec_seg_95289_237","created_at":"2026-10-31T07:37:16Z","speaker_name":"Chanda Jackson"},{"id":"seg_95289_238","meeting_id":"95289","media_asset_id":"med_95289_f20119687f337fb8","agenda_item_id":null,"speaker_id":"spk_95289_presenter","speaker_confidence":0.9,"start_sec":3264.71,"end_sec":3265.51,"text":"Mhm.","topics_json":"[\"public_safety\"]","vector_id":"vec_seg_95289_238","created_at":"2026-10-31T07:37:16Z","speaker_name":null},{"id":"seg_95289_239","meeting_id":"95289","media_asset_id":"med_95289_f20119687f337fb8","agenda_item_id":null,"speaker_id":"off_andre_m_boggerty","speaker_confidence":0.95,"start_sec":3265.51,"end_sec":3271.11,"text":"Thank you, Dr. Jackson. Uh, the chair recognizes er Councilman Dr. Sudler.","topics_json":"[]","vector_id":"vec_seg_95289_239","created_at":"2026-10-31T07:37:16Z","speaker_name":"Andre M. Boggerty"},{"id":"seg_95289_24","meeting_id":"95289","media_asset_id":"med_95289_f20119687f337fb8","agenda_item_id":null,"speaker_id":"off_andre_m_boggerty","speaker_confidence":0.95,"start_sec":317.61,"end_sec":393.21,"text":"Thank you, Council President, and I echo um happy 29th birthday to you as well. Um, I um I am in I am meeting with and I've met with the Boys and Girls Club uh regarding their their new site. I have follow-up meetings to make sure that um that we that we're making it accessible for our youth where they're building it at. So I'm going to be working with the Boys and Girls Club to make sure that um that unlike some of the other locations, that we build in a transportation piece and effective marketing to assist uh individuals for um the youth for going out. Um, I reviewed the plans. It's a beautiful building. Um, it's going to be a sports EA, like the EA gaming area, sports. It's going to have a media component to for music and focus on the arts. If anybody knows, that's one of my push to help individuals therapy through through music, et cetera. Then there additionally there's going to be of, of course, some sports um built into it. So stay tuned for more information on that. I had the distinct pleasure of representing the City of Dover on at a panel at Delaware State University with um our college students discussing the uh what what does it look like for government on a local level? I was able to serve on that panel with uh the councilwoman-at-large from Wilmington. So, we we were able to have some um dialogue about how they're addressing issues and and and um and they within their council as well. So it was good, but the young individuals, I want to say it could have been approximately 60 young individuals, they asked some very","topics_json":"[]","vector_id":"vec_seg_95289_24","created_at":"2026-10-31T07:37:16Z","speaker_name":"Andre M. Boggerty"},{"id":"seg_95289_240","meeting_id":"95289","media_asset_id":"med_95289_f20119687f337fb8","agenda_item_id":null,"speaker_id":"spk_95289_roy_sudler_jr","speaker_confidence":0.95,"start_sec":3271.11,"end_sec":3337.51,"text":"Thank you, Chairman Boggerty, for recognizing me. Uh Chairman Boggerty, if you could uh refer this question to the city manager, um I would appreciate it. And it's basically an inquiry in regards to um why we have not uh why we decided not to apply for the grant. Um looking at the map, it appears that there are some areas near West Division Street and some areas where we where our comprehensive uh plan, I think for 2030 for DDP in in our development stage uh would be impacted, or at least have some type of impact. So, I'm just wondering um what was the reason for possibly not applying uh for grant, because I do believe that any grant money that we're eligible for that we should be uh applying for. So if if you would so kindly ask the city manager or refer the question to the city manager, I think he's here to your left.","topics_json":"[\"budget\",\"public_safety\"]","vector_id":"vec_seg_95289_240","created_at":"2026-10-31T07:37:16Z","speaker_name":null},{"id":"seg_95289_241","meeting_id":"95289","media_asset_id":"med_95289_f20119687f337fb8","agenda_item_id":null,"speaker_id":"spk_95289_andre_m_boggerty","speaker_confidence":0.95,"start_sec":3337.51,"end_sec":3342.31,"text":"Yeah. Uh, thank you. Uh, city manager Hugg, can you please","topics_json":"[]","vector_id":"vec_seg_95289_241","created_at":"2026-10-31T07:37:16Z","speaker_name":null},{"id":"seg_95289_242","meeting_id":"95289","media_asset_id":"med_95289_f20119687f337fb8","agenda_item_id":null,"speaker_id":"off_roy_sudler_jr","speaker_confidence":0.95,"start_sec":3342.32,"end_sec":3349.91,"text":"approach and and respond to uh said question.","topics_json":"[]","vector_id":"vec_seg_95289_242","created_at":"2026-10-31T07:37:16Z","speaker_name":"Roy Sudler, Jr."},{"id":"seg_95289_243","meeting_id":"95289","media_asset_id":"med_95289_f20119687f337fb8","agenda_item_id":null,"speaker_id":"spk_95289_dave_hugg","speaker_confidence":0.95,"start_sec":3349.91,"end_sec":3439.86,"text":"All right. Good evening, Dave Hugg, City Manager. Uh first of all, let me make a comment that if you look at where those little red dots are, the vast majority of them are on state-owned, state-maintained roads. So first of all, we would not necessarily be applying for funds to do some kind of an improvement to a state-owned, state-maintained road. Um to the extent that some of them are not um state-owned, they're city roads, we may in fact at some point wish to uh to you know uh to undertake a study. Um the second thing this these to some degree this is outside of the uh uh scope, if you will, of our ability as a city to do those kinds of studies. These are detailed engineering efforts. Uh we have a great engineering uh uh group of people, but they're back they're backed up busily doing water and wastewater and a whole bunch of other things. So uh I think I wasn't actually involved in that decision, but um I think the uh the fundamental was that that this is work that was outside of our scope and a lot of work that was to be done on on state roads which would be inappropriate for us to to be the primary uh primary initiative on. Uh and I I will check if I can if I can ask uh Jason Lyon if he know- if he remembers any- anything about that, Jay?","topics_json":"[\"budget\"]","vector_id":"vec_seg_95289_243","created_at":"2026-10-31T07:37:16Z","speaker_name":"Dave Hugg"},{"id":"seg_95289_244","meeting_id":"95289","media_asset_id":"med_95289_f20119687f337fb8","agenda_item_id":null,"speaker_id":"spk_95289_jason_lyon","speaker_confidence":0.9,"start_sec":3439.86,"end_sec":3447.75,"text":"I'm looking through some emails. I don't I don't have anything.","topics_json":"[]","vector_id":"vec_seg_95289_244","created_at":"2026-10-31T07:37:16Z","speaker_name":"Jason Lyon"},{"id":"seg_95289_245","meeting_id":"95289","media_asset_id":"med_95289_f20119687f337fb8","agenda_item_id":null,"speaker_id":"spk_95289_dave_hugg","speaker_confidence":0.95,"start_sec":3447.75,"end_sec":3451.74,"text":"Okay. Okay. That's the best I can answer your question at the moment.","topics_json":"[]","vector_id":"vec_seg_95289_245","created_at":"2026-10-31T07:37:16Z","speaker_name":"Dave Hugg"},{"id":"seg_95289_246","meeting_id":"95289","media_asset_id":"med_95289_f20119687f337fb8","agenda_item_id":null,"speaker_id":"off_roy_sudler_jr","speaker_confidence":0.95,"start_sec":3451.74,"end_sec":3502.99,"text":"Thank you. Are there any further questions for Kent MPO? That being said, thank you. Thank you for following up with us. There's no action required on this particular matter uh but the follow-up action that um that was requested regarding our training, I'll give you time to take the slides and all the things, but thank you for your your report.","topics_json":"[]","vector_id":"vec_seg_95289_246","created_at":"2026-10-31T07:37:16Z","speaker_name":"Roy Sudler, Jr."},{"id":"seg_95289_247","meeting_id":"95289","media_asset_id":"med_95289_f20119687f337fb8","agenda_item_id":null,"speaker_id":"spk_95289_kent_mpo_representative","speaker_confidence":0.85,"start_sec":3502.99,"end_sec":3504.76,"text":"I could leave this. I could leave this with you if you want it.","topics_json":"[]","vector_id":"vec_seg_95289_247","created_at":"2026-10-31T07:37:16Z","speaker_name":null},{"id":"seg_95289_248","meeting_id":"95289","media_asset_id":"med_95289_f20119687f337fb8","agenda_item_id":null,"speaker_id":"spk_95289_jason_lyon","speaker_confidence":0.85,"start_sec":3504.76,"end_sec":3507.13,"text":"We have it.","topics_json":"[]","vector_id":"vec_seg_95289_248","created_at":"2026-10-31T07:37:16Z","speaker_name":"Jason Lyon"},{"id":"seg_95289_249","meeting_id":"95289","media_asset_id":"med_95289_f20119687f337fb8","agenda_item_id":null,"speaker_id":"spk_95289_kent_mpo_representative","speaker_confidence":0.85,"start_sec":3507.13,"end_sec":3512.96,"text":"I'll leave it right here.","topics_json":"[]","vector_id":"vec_seg_95289_249","created_at":"2026-10-31T07:37:16Z","speaker_name":null},{"id":"seg_95289_25","meeting_id":"95289","media_asset_id":"med_95289_f20119687f337fb8","agenda_item_id":null,"speaker_id":"off_andre_m_boggerty","speaker_confidence":0.95,"start_sec":393.21,"end_sec":406.01,"text":"great, good questions and we talked about the importance of voting in your local elections, but at the at the same time making sure they understanding issues and just not partisan. So it was a it was a good dialogue. I yield.","topics_json":"[]","vector_id":"vec_seg_95289_25","created_at":"2026-10-31T07:37:16Z","speaker_name":"Andre M. Boggerty"},{"id":"seg_95289_250","meeting_id":"95289","media_asset_id":"med_95289_f20119687f337fb8","agenda_item_id":null,"speaker_id":"off_roy_sudler_jr","speaker_confidence":0.95,"start_sec":3512.96,"end_sec":3514.1,"text":"All right. Thank you.","topics_json":"[]","vector_id":"vec_seg_95289_250","created_at":"2026-10-31T07:37:16Z","speaker_name":"Roy Sudler, Jr."},{"id":"seg_95289_251","meeting_id":"95289","media_asset_id":"med_95289_f20119687f337fb8","agenda_item_id":null,"speaker_id":"spk_95289_kent_mpo_representative","speaker_confidence":0.85,"start_sec":3514.1,"end_sec":3516.02,"text":"Thank you. Thank you. Good night.","topics_json":"[]","vector_id":"vec_seg_95289_251","created_at":"2026-10-31T07:37:16Z","speaker_name":null},{"id":"seg_95289_252","meeting_id":"95289","media_asset_id":"med_95289_f20119687f337fb8","agenda_item_id":null,"speaker_id":"spk_95289_dave_hugg","speaker_confidence":0.95,"start_sec":3516.02,"end_sec":3518.09,"text":"I'm right here. I might as well step right up.","topics_json":"[]","vector_id":"vec_seg_95289_252","created_at":"2026-10-31T07:37:16Z","speaker_name":"Dave Hugg"},{"id":"seg_95289_253","meeting_id":"95289","media_asset_id":"med_95289_f20119687f337fb8","agenda_item_id":null,"speaker_id":"off_roy_sudler_jr","speaker_confidence":0.95,"start_sec":3518.09,"end_sec":3524.76,"text":"Uh, item number two on the agenda is a priorita- is the prioriti- prioritization of the City of Dover State Capital Transportation Program.","topics_json":"[\"budget\"]","vector_id":"vec_seg_95289_253","created_at":"2026-10-31T07:37:16Z","speaker_name":"Roy Sudler, Jr."},{"id":"seg_95289_254","meeting_id":"95289","media_asset_id":"med_95289_f20119687f337fb8","agenda_item_id":null,"speaker_id":"spk_95289_dave_hugg","speaker_confidence":0.95,"start_sec":3524.76,"end_sec":3538.93,"text":"It's It's kind of uh uh good timing that we're that we're following the presentation from the MPO. As you know, in about this time of the year, each year, the city identifies its transportation priorities uh within a number of categories. There's economic development driven projects, there's traffic safety driven projects, there's general system operation projects. Uh and this is our opportunity to say to the MPO, you know, these are the roads, these are the segments that we really want to see uh you know, make their way through the the MPO and ultimately the DelDOT process","topics_json":"[\"budget\"]","vector_id":"vec_seg_95289_254","created_at":"2026-10-31T07:37:16Z","speaker_name":"Dave Hugg"},{"id":"seg_95289_255","meeting_id":"95289","media_asset_id":"med_95289_f20119687f337fb8","agenda_item_id":null,"speaker_id":"spk_95289_dave_hugg","speaker_confidence":0.95,"start_sec":3538.92,"end_sec":3544.21,"text":"and and get, you know, designed and built and and and ready for use. Um,","topics_json":"[]","vector_id":"vec_seg_95289_255","created_at":"2026-10-31T07:37:16Z","speaker_name":"Dave Hugg"},{"id":"seg_95289_256","meeting_id":"95289","media_asset_id":"med_95289_f20119687f337fb8","agenda_item_id":null,"speaker_id":"spk_95289_dave_hugg","speaker_confidence":0.95,"start_sec":3545.15,"end_sec":3564.23,"text":"once again this year, we have done the same process that we did every year. Uh we spent about a month, I guess, in worsh- well we spent about a month uh in discussions with the MPO, getting their input, um making sure that we referenced this list of studies that was up on the board, because many of them drive the priorities and and the recommendations we make.","topics_json":"[]","vector_id":"vec_seg_95289_256","created_at":"2026-10-31T07:37:16Z","speaker_name":"Dave Hugg"},{"id":"seg_95289_257","meeting_id":"95289","media_asset_id":"med_95289_f20119687f337fb8","agenda_item_id":null,"speaker_id":"spk_95289_dave_hugg","speaker_confidence":0.95,"start_sec":3564.62,"end_sec":3583.69,"text":"Um I also want to just comment that I appreciate her her uh recognition of the uh transportation plan component of our comprehensive plan. Uh we did take that very seriously a couple years ago, and we'll be looking to update the comprehensive plan in about a year and a half or two. Um and once again, we'll do the same level of deep dive into into transportation, because those things are important to us.","topics_json":"[\"zoning\"]","vector_id":"vec_seg_95289_257","created_at":"2026-10-31T07:37:16Z","speaker_name":"Dave Hugg"},{"id":"seg_95289_258","meeting_id":"95289","media_asset_id":"med_95289_f20119687f337fb8","agenda_item_id":null,"speaker_id":"spk_95289_dave_hugg","speaker_confidence":0.95,"start_sec":3584.08,"end_sec":3632.67,"text":"Uh in almost every one of the studies that have been presented, somebody from the city has been involved at some point. You know, we've sat in on on the the uh air freight transportation study. We've provided information on the east-west freights freight study. We've you know, we've we've been part of all of those processes um to make sure that the City of Dover is represented.","topics_json":"[]","vector_id":"vec_seg_95289_258","created_at":"2026-10-31T07:37:16Z","speaker_name":"Dave Hugg"},{"id":"seg_95289_259","meeting_id":"95289","media_asset_id":"med_95289_f20119687f337fb8","agenda_item_id":null,"speaker_id":"spk_95289_dave_hugg","speaker_confidence":0.95,"start_sec":3632.98,"end_sec":3696.21,"text":"Um and and in in kind of a complex or a uh coordinated way, look at not just a study, but a group of studies. The studies that deal with freight parking and or truck parking and freight movement and all those are all an integrated part of a of a look at how do we deal with the fact that, you know, if if we're out encouraging economic development to come to Dover, we're encouraging trucks and cars and and and more things to impact on our roads. And so we need to figure out, you know, how can we pursue our economic development goals, at the same time, not end up with some of our roads looking like convoys of trucks, you know, 24/7. Um so that's a little bit of background.","topics_json":"[\"business\"]","vector_id":"vec_seg_95289_259","created_at":"2026-10-31T07:37:16Z","speaker_name":"Dave Hugg"},{"id":"seg_95289_26","meeting_id":"95289","media_asset_id":"med_95289_f20119687f337fb8","agenda_item_id":null,"speaker_id":"off_fred_a_neil","speaker_confidence":0.95,"start_sec":406.21,"end_sec":407.71,"text":"Thank you, sir.","topics_json":"[]","vector_id":"vec_seg_95289_26","created_at":"2026-10-31T07:37:16Z","speaker_name":"Fred A. Neil"},{"id":"seg_95289_260","meeting_id":"95289","media_asset_id":"med_95289_f20119687f337fb8","agenda_item_id":null,"speaker_id":"spk_95289_dave_hugg","speaker_confidence":0.95,"start_sec":3696.6,"end_sec":3735.14,"text":"The um what you have before you is um you know, this year's version of our annual uh recommendations to the MPO. Uh with council approval, they'll go to the MPO as our official transmission of what our priorities are uh and and the rationale behind them. Um the the document uh identifies priorities by by category, so the first item in a category is the number one priority and and on down. This year, we did add a segment talking about local roads uh because they are part of of the transportation system, too. We Those are the roads that we own, we maintain, we provide the funding to fix up, we pave when they get potholes in them and and whatever. Um","topics_json":"[\"budget\"]","vector_id":"vec_seg_95289_260","created_at":"2026-10-31T07:37:16Z","speaker_name":"Dave Hugg"},{"id":"seg_95289_261","meeting_id":"95289","media_asset_id":"med_95289_f20119687f337fb8","agenda_item_id":null,"speaker_id":"spk_95289_dave_hugg","speaker_confidence":0.95,"start_sec":3735.53,"end_sec":3735.53,"text":"but I guess the the the point is this is this year's uh priority list. It's been vetted at least a couple of times through the MPO uh and it's uh I won't say that it's got their blessing, but it certainly reflects all of their comments and input, which which was extensive. Um and so I'm presenting it to you basically for committee and ultimately council approv-","topics_json":"[]","vector_id":"vec_seg_95289_261","created_at":"2026-10-31T07:37:16Z","speaker_name":"Dave Hugg"},{"id":"seg_95289_262","meeting_id":"95289","media_asset_id":"med_95289_f20119687f337fb8","agenda_item_id":null,"speaker_id":"spk_95289_david_hugg","speaker_confidence":0.9,"start_sec":3735.53,"end_sec":3741.43,"text":"approval or modification or suggestion as may be relevant.","topics_json":"[]","vector_id":"vec_seg_95289_262","created_at":"2026-10-31T07:37:16Z","speaker_name":"David Hugg"},{"id":"seg_95289_263","meeting_id":"95289","media_asset_id":"med_95289_f20119687f337fb8","agenda_item_id":null,"speaker_id":"off_andre_m_boggerty","speaker_confidence":0.95,"start_sec":3742.53,"end_sec":3764.13,"text":"Thank you. Um I have a question. Um are some of these projects and and I know there's been a little bit of communication um regarding CTF funds, and I know Mr. Lyon was involved in that. Are some of these projects covered under the state CTF funds for the city, or is that a separate and distinct?","topics_json":"[\"budget\"]","vector_id":"vec_seg_95289_263","created_at":"2026-10-31T07:37:16Z","speaker_name":"Andre M. Boggerty"},{"id":"seg_95289_264","meeting_id":"95289","media_asset_id":"med_95289_f20119687f337fb8","agenda_item_id":null,"speaker_id":"spk_95289_david_hugg","speaker_confidence":0.9,"start_sec":3764.53,"end_sec":3848.03,"text":"Most of these would not be, because they're a higher level road. A lot of the CTF money that we get through our legislators are help us fix our local roads. You know, I mean we we typically, although we may have done so, but we typically don't go out and ask the state to give us CTF money to spend on a state road. That that the purpose of CTF money is to help communities maintain the hundred and some miles of road that we own in the city. Um so I guess the broad answer is yes, we spend CTF money on on a local road component. Um we use we rely on the state and the MPO to find funding for major improvements to state and and major city roads.","topics_json":"[\"budget\"]","vector_id":"vec_seg_95289_264","created_at":"2026-10-31T07:37:16Z","speaker_name":"David Hugg"},{"id":"seg_95289_265","meeting_id":"95289","media_asset_id":"med_95289_f20119687f337fb8","agenda_item_id":null,"speaker_id":"off_andre_m_boggerty","speaker_confidence":0.95,"start_sec":3848.03,"end_sec":3855.03,"text":"Okay. So, and I understand that there may be some movement on CTF funding for some of our local roads. Correct?","topics_json":"[\"budget\"]","vector_id":"vec_seg_95289_265","created_at":"2026-10-31T07:37:16Z","speaker_name":"Andre M. Boggerty"},{"id":"seg_95289_266","meeting_id":"95289","media_asset_id":"med_95289_f20119687f337fb8","agenda_item_id":null,"speaker_id":"spk_95289_david_hugg","speaker_confidence":0.9,"start_sec":3855.03,"end_sec":3877.63,"text":"There's uh a list of roads, I think six or so. There's a list of roads that we have submitted to um our our our council for our our legislative folks uh for the use of the CTF money in the city of Dover uh on a variety of streets that uh need rebuilding or repaving or drainage improvements, or what have you.","topics_json":"[\"budget\"]","vector_id":"vec_seg_95289_266","created_at":"2026-10-31T07:37:16Z","speaker_name":"David Hugg"},{"id":"seg_95289_267","meeting_id":"95289","media_asset_id":"med_95289_f20119687f337fb8","agenda_item_id":null,"speaker_id":"off_andre_m_boggerty","speaker_confidence":0.95,"start_sec":3877.63,"end_sec":3892.33,"text":"And once those are approved, so our constituents know that we are working and utilizing those funds, once they're approved, can we make it public that these are some of the streets and some of the areas that we work on? That's a request, I know it's separate and distinct for that, from this matter now with with the clarity.","topics_json":"[\"budget\"]","vector_id":"vec_seg_95289_267","created_at":"2026-10-31T07:37:16Z","speaker_name":"Andre M. Boggerty"},{"id":"seg_95289_268","meeting_id":"95289","media_asset_id":"med_95289_f20119687f337fb8","agenda_item_id":null,"speaker_id":"spk_95289_david_hugg","speaker_confidence":0.9,"start_sec":3892.53,"end_sec":3906.63,"text":"Yeah, we uh we can certainly identify those, list them in the web on the website. Uh they will also go through a public notice process when we actually, you know, go out to select either a design firm or a construction firm to work on the roads.","topics_json":"[]","vector_id":"vec_seg_95289_268","created_at":"2026-10-31T07:37:16Z","speaker_name":"David Hugg"},{"id":"seg_95289_269","meeting_id":"95289","media_asset_id":"med_95289_f20119687f337fb8","agenda_item_id":null,"speaker_id":"off_andre_m_boggerty","speaker_confidence":0.95,"start_sec":3906.63,"end_sec":3910.03,"text":"I appreciate it. The chair recognizes Councilman Rocha.","topics_json":"[]","vector_id":"vec_seg_95289_269","created_at":"2026-10-31T07:37:16Z","speaker_name":"Andre M. Boggerty"},{"id":"seg_95289_27","meeting_id":"95289","media_asset_id":"med_95289_f20119687f337fb8","agenda_item_id":null,"speaker_id":"off_fred_a_neil","speaker_confidence":0.95,"start_sec":408.21,"end_sec":523.21,"text":"My report. Uh, I attended a peace pole uh uh dedication at uh Congregation Beth Sholom and the uh members of the Universalist Church. Uh, I attended the Silver Lake Commission presentation on the St. Jones River at City Hall. I attended the Habitat Charity Ball at Bally's. I attended uh a meeting at the Levy Court uh sponsored by Senator Buckson and Representative Carry Evelyn-Harris regarding manufactured homes and helps that help that could be provided to them. I met with the mayor and the police chief over certain matters. I also attended the November library uh board meeting and uh I also attended uh a meeting at um for with a group trying to bring together the Dover Ice Rink and Civic Center at Schutte Park along with Council Councilman Rocha and Councilwoman Pillsbury. I attended the Wild Meadows Homeowners Association meeting. I attended the uh dedication of a Habitat home at 145 Ann Street. I responded by email and telephone to many on the proposed of safety traffic and safety ordinance that we'll be talking about this evening. Uh, I also submitted a staff review amendment on manufactured homes for Chapter 66 requiring the titles of these homes to be shown to the city before a license for the home was brought in and into the community and license was granted. Used homes have been brought in to leased-land into leased-land communities and sold without the title as required by state law, making them impossible to sell legally by the new owner. Thanks to code inspector Kopp for his changes which have been adopted, and it will be forthcoming uh very shortly uh in a future meeting. I met with several times with Councilman Anderson and Councilwoman Hall with a group of concerned citizens over the inability to control the acts of individuals who commit acts against society, but who are not held accountable and may not be able to actually do uh help themselves. I provided a letter of congratulations to Zeta Phi Beta on their 50th anniversary. I referred Dover resident James Branch offer regarding services regarding water pollution to staff. I believe his concerns were more appropriate for state consideration. I believe we all received a petition for sidewalk repair in the heart of the Dover Historic District. Public Works uh Director Novak is seeking funds for a contractor to do that work. Uh, that is my report. I now turn this meeting to uh Chairman Andre Boggerty to conduct the business of the Safety Advisory and Transportation Committee.","topics_json":"[\"housing\",\"public_safety\"]","vector_id":"vec_seg_95289_27","created_at":"2026-10-31T07:37:16Z","speaker_name":"Fred A. Neil"},{"id":"seg_95289_270","meeting_id":"95289","media_asset_id":"med_95289_f20119687f337fb8","agenda_item_id":null,"speaker_id":"off_gerald_l_rocha_sr","speaker_confidence":0.95,"start_sec":3914.83,"end_sec":3932.14,"text":"Thank you for recognizing me. Um Mr. Hugg, um under your uh safety and capacity improvement priority, do you have any um indication as to where College Road improvements would be coming up? Because I I know we've we've had that on the list, you know, for as long as I've been on the council, and I just want to know priority-wise, do we know if DelDOT has an I know they've done some work right off of Kenton Road, but, you know, when when do you think they would incorporate the rest of the uh Right. Right. improvements on College Road on both sides with sidewalks and","topics_json":"[\"public_safety\"]","vector_id":"vec_seg_95289_270","created_at":"2026-10-31T07:37:16Z","speaker_name":"Gerald L. Rocha, Sr."},{"id":"seg_95289_271","meeting_id":"95289","media_asset_id":"med_95289_f20119687f337fb8","agenda_item_id":null,"speaker_id":"spk_95289_david_hugg","speaker_confidence":0.9,"start_sec":3932.14,"end_sec":3932.14,"text":"I don't have I don't have our document in front of me. I think I addressed some of that in the uh in the comments. College Road is one of the roads that has consistently been identified by the city as a priority. Um the priorities in that particular area is, if I remember","topics_json":"[]","vector_id":"vec_seg_95289_271","created_at":"2026-10-31T07:37:16Z","speaker_name":"David Hugg"},{"id":"seg_95289_272","meeting_id":"95289","media_asset_id":"med_95289_f20119687f337fb8","agenda_item_id":null,"speaker_id":"spk_95289_jason_lyon","speaker_confidence":0.9,"start_sec":3932.14,"end_sec":3947.14,"text":"remember correctly. We have Route 8, Kenton Road, then College Road. So it's should be coming, working its way through the through the process. It is in the uh the DelDOT list of projects. I don't know, off the top of my head without looking, you know, where it is in the funding cycle, but it it is a uh uh one of one of the projects that's scheduled to be done. College Road's a little bit an unusual road in that it's relatively narrow. The right-of-way is","topics_json":"[]","vector_id":"vec_seg_95289_272","created_at":"2026-10-31T07:37:16Z","speaker_name":"Jason Lyon"},{"id":"seg_95289_273","meeting_id":"95289","media_asset_id":"med_95289_f20119687f337fb8","agenda_item_id":null,"speaker_id":"off_gerald_l_rocha_sr","speaker_confidence":0.95,"start_sec":3947.14,"end_sec":3947.43,"text":"Right.","topics_json":"[]","vector_id":"vec_seg_95289_273","created_at":"2026-10-31T07:37:16Z","speaker_name":"Gerald L. Rocha, Sr."},{"id":"seg_95289_274","meeting_id":"95289","media_asset_id":"med_95289_f20119687f337fb8","agenda_item_id":null,"speaker_id":"spk_95289_jason_lyon","speaker_confidence":0.9,"start_sec":3947.43,"end_sec":3959.73,"text":"is not very wide uh, and there's going to be some It'll be an interesting road from a from a right-of-way and a design standpoint. It's not, you know, some of our other roads have sufficient width and alignment to, you know, to uh allow them to proceed fairly straightforwardly. College will take some extra effort.","topics_json":"[]","vector_id":"vec_seg_95289_274","created_at":"2026-10-31T07:37:16Z","speaker_name":"Jason Lyon"},{"id":"seg_95289_275","meeting_id":"95289","media_asset_id":"med_95289_f20119687f337fb8","agenda_item_id":null,"speaker_id":"off_gerald_l_rocha_sr","speaker_confidence":0.95,"start_sec":3959.73,"end_sec":3967.98,"text":"Okay, yeah. I I just noticed, you know, that we have pedestrians walking down College Road, particularly on Well, depending on which side Which way you're going, but on the side where there's no sidewalks,","topics_json":"[]","vector_id":"vec_seg_95289_275","created_at":"2026-10-31T07:37:16Z","speaker_name":"Gerald L. 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Rocha, Sr."},{"id":"seg_95289_28","meeting_id":"95289","media_asset_id":"med_95289_f20119687f337fb8","agenda_item_id":null,"speaker_id":"off_andre_m_boggerty","speaker_confidence":0.95,"start_sec":579.21,"end_sec":589.81,"text":"The Safety Advisory and Transportation Committee into session, who's is our citizen take uh their spots. Give them a few seconds.","topics_json":"[]","vector_id":"vec_seg_95289_28","created_at":"2026-10-31T07:37:16Z","speaker_name":"Andre M. Boggerty"},{"id":"seg_95289_280","meeting_id":"95289","media_asset_id":"med_95289_f20119687f337fb8","agenda_item_id":null,"speaker_id":"spk_95289_jason_lyon","speaker_confidence":0.9,"start_sec":3998.38,"end_sec":4002.86,"text":"Right, that that will be part of the College Road redevelopment or redesign. It includes sidewalks or pathways, bike lanes,","topics_json":"[]","vector_id":"vec_seg_95289_280","created_at":"2026-10-31T07:37:17Z","speaker_name":"Jason Lyon"},{"id":"seg_95289_281","meeting_id":"95289","media_asset_id":"med_95289_f20119687f337fb8","agenda_item_id":null,"speaker_id":"off_gerald_l_rocha_sr","speaker_confidence":0.95,"start_sec":4002.86,"end_sec":4003.37,"text":"Right.","topics_json":"[]","vector_id":"vec_seg_95289_281","created_at":"2026-10-31T07:37:17Z","speaker_name":"Gerald L. Rocha, Sr."},{"id":"seg_95289_282","meeting_id":"95289","media_asset_id":"med_95289_f20119687f337fb8","agenda_item_id":null,"speaker_id":"spk_95289_jason_lyon","speaker_confidence":0.9,"start_sec":4003.37,"end_sec":4014.75,"text":"curbs, all those things uh, as you're seeing on on Kenton Road right now, um the you know, the completion of the sidewalk network that is is along that road, the designation of bike lanes. That's all part of that uh the Safe Roads uh planning process.","topics_json":"[]","vector_id":"vec_seg_95289_282","created_at":"2026-10-31T07:37:17Z","speaker_name":"Jason Lyon"},{"id":"seg_95289_283","meeting_id":"95289","media_asset_id":"med_95289_f20119687f337fb8","agenda_item_id":null,"speaker_id":"off_gerald_l_rocha_sr","speaker_confidence":0.95,"start_sec":4014.75,"end_sec":4023.07,"text":"So when When it When it When you have it listed like uh at the top, it says Economic Development Priorities, is that like priority number one, and then Safety","topics_json":"[]","vector_id":"vec_seg_95289_283","created_at":"2026-10-31T07:37:17Z","speaker_name":"Gerald L. Rocha, Sr."},{"id":"seg_95289_284","meeting_id":"95289","media_asset_id":"med_95289_f20119687f337fb8","agenda_item_id":null,"speaker_id":"spk_95289_jason_lyon","speaker_confidence":0.9,"start_sec":4023.07,"end_sec":4066.64,"text":"No, they I I did not I did not prioritize the individual categories. We only prioritize the roads within the categories, um, because I think it would be that wouldn't be a wise thing to do, to say that a road that serves a particular need is more important than any other road in the city. They're important for different reasons. Um, you know, the the Garrison connector is important because it's critical for economic development. It's not necessarily critical to traffic safety and and uh bicycle","topics_json":"[]","vector_id":"vec_seg_95289_284","created_at":"2026-10-31T07:37:17Z","speaker_name":"Jason Lyon"},{"id":"seg_95289_285","meeting_id":"95289","media_asset_id":"med_95289_f20119687f337fb8","agenda_item_id":null,"speaker_id":"off_gerald_l_rocha_sr","speaker_confidence":0.95,"start_sec":4066.64,"end_sec":4067.28,"text":"No, I agree.","topics_json":"[]","vector_id":"vec_seg_95289_285","created_at":"2026-10-31T07:37:17Z","speaker_name":"Gerald L. 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Rocha, Sr."},{"id":"seg_95289_29","meeting_id":"95289","media_asset_id":"med_95289_f20119687f337fb8","agenda_item_id":null,"speaker_id":"off_roy_sudler_jr","speaker_confidence":0.95,"start_sec":589.82,"end_sec":594.36,"text":"All right, welcome to both of you. Um, move for the adoption of the agenda?","topics_json":"[]","vector_id":"vec_seg_95289_29","created_at":"2026-10-31T07:37:16Z","speaker_name":"Roy Sudler, Jr."},{"id":"seg_95289_290","meeting_id":"95289","media_asset_id":"med_95289_f20119687f337fb8","agenda_item_id":null,"speaker_id":"spk_95289_jason_lyon","speaker_confidence":0.9,"start_sec":4075.05,"end_sec":4086.65,"text":"Right, the the within each category, there's the first project is our number one priority, and then additional projects, if there are those, are generally listed as second, third, fourth uh priority. Um, but in each of the categories, traffic safety, whatever it might be.","topics_json":"[]","vector_id":"vec_seg_95289_290","created_at":"2026-10-31T07:37:17Z","speaker_name":"Jason Lyon"},{"id":"seg_95289_291","meeting_id":"95289","media_asset_id":"med_95289_f20119687f337fb8","agenda_item_id":null,"speaker_id":"off_gerald_l_rocha_sr","speaker_confidence":0.95,"start_sec":4086.65,"end_sec":4091.4,"text":"Okay. Yeah, okay. Yeah, that's what I thought. Okay. I thank you. Thank you for clarifying that, uh, Mr. Hugg. Uh, I yield, uh, Chairman Boggerty.","topics_json":"[]","vector_id":"vec_seg_95289_291","created_at":"2026-10-31T07:37:17Z","speaker_name":"Gerald L. Rocha, Sr."},{"id":"seg_95289_292","meeting_id":"95289","media_asset_id":"med_95289_f20119687f337fb8","agenda_item_id":null,"speaker_id":"off_andre_m_boggerty","speaker_confidence":0.95,"start_sec":4091.4,"end_sec":4122.94,"text":"Thank you. The chair recognizes Councilman, Dr. Sudler. Anderson. The chair recognizes Councilman Dr. Anderson. Chair recognizes uh Councilman Anderson.","topics_json":"[]","vector_id":"vec_seg_95289_292","created_at":"2026-10-31T07:37:17Z","speaker_name":"Andre M. Boggerty"},{"id":"seg_95289_293","meeting_id":"95289","media_asset_id":"med_95289_f20119687f337fb8","agenda_item_id":null,"speaker_id":"off_david_l_anderson","speaker_confidence":0.95,"start_sec":4122.94,"end_sec":4128.75,"text":"Thank you. Thank you very much, Mr. Chairman. The I had a uh uh one","topics_json":"[]","vector_id":"vec_seg_95289_293","created_at":"2026-10-31T07:37:17Z","speaker_name":"David L. Anderson"},{"id":"seg_95289_294","meeting_id":"95289","media_asset_id":"med_95289_f20119687f337fb8","agenda_item_id":null,"speaker_id":"off_david_l_anderson","speaker_confidence":1,"start_sec":4128.74,"end_sec":4140.53,"text":"Question about the uh, and the I see that you have on here of some issue, some updates. Uh, do you have some a little more detail on the updates with the Dover High uh, sidewalks?","topics_json":"[]","vector_id":"vec_seg_95289_294","created_at":"2026-10-31T07:37:17Z","speaker_name":"David L. Anderson"},{"id":"seg_95289_295","meeting_id":"95289","media_asset_id":"med_95289_f20119687f337fb8","agenda_item_id":null,"speaker_id":"spk_95289_dave_hugg","speaker_confidence":0.9,"start_sec":4140.53,"end_sec":4158.25,"text":"I can get you additional information on that. I mean, these are summarized based on where they are on particular funding cycles, but I know that in that particular project, a significant amount of the sidewalk on the south side from Mifflin Road has been constructed. Uh, I'm not sure where the design is on the north side. I know it's programmed, but I don't know where it is. I can find out for you, though.","topics_json":"[\"budget\"]","vector_id":"vec_seg_95289_295","created_at":"2026-10-31T07:37:17Z","speaker_name":"Dave Hugg"},{"id":"seg_95289_296","meeting_id":"95289","media_asset_id":"med_95289_f20119687f337fb8","agenda_item_id":null,"speaker_id":"off_david_l_anderson","speaker_confidence":1,"start_sec":4158.25,"end_sec":4203.93,"text":"I appreciate that. Cuz we we appreciate that very much, cuz that's been a, yeah, high priority issue for years, uh, going back to when the new Dover High was constructed. And I appreciate that you're staying on it because we have to quite frankly, um, make sure that the passage is safe.","topics_json":"[\"public_safety\"]","vector_id":"vec_seg_95289_296","created_at":"2026-10-31T07:37:17Z","speaker_name":"David L. 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Example, cameras, signs, etc.?","topics_json":"[\"budget\",\"public_safety\"]","vector_id":"vec_seg_95289_300","created_at":"2026-10-31T07:37:17Z","speaker_name":"Brian E. Lewis"},{"id":"seg_95289_301","meeting_id":"95289","media_asset_id":"med_95289_f20119687f337fb8","agenda_item_id":null,"speaker_id":"spk_95289_dave_hugg","speaker_confidence":0.9,"start_sec":4237.22,"end_sec":4287.09,"text":"Um, generally it's limited to transportation improvements. Um, having said that, I believe some of those kinds of improvements can be included in the uh, highway safety study area, work area. Um, I know that traffic signals and those kinds of things are eligible costs. Um, I'm sure traffic cameras I think are. Um, so potentially, I don't know for sure though.","topics_json":"[\"budget\",\"public_safety\"]","vector_id":"vec_seg_95289_301","created_at":"2026-10-31T07:37:17Z","speaker_name":"Dave Hugg"},{"id":"seg_95289_302","meeting_id":"95289","media_asset_id":"med_95289_f20119687f337fb8","agenda_item_id":null,"speaker_id":"off_brian_e_lewis","speaker_confidence":1,"start_sec":4287.09,"end_sec":4311.03,"text":"Could you possibly uh, look into that and update the council uh, to include speed cameras, etc.? And um, as you're aware, I have a project in my district that's not part of the list that's currently before us, but I'm trying to address the camera issue, as we previously discussed via emails. And I know there's some issues with funding, and I was wondering if maybe we would be able to draw from one of these projects or CTF funds.","topics_json":"[\"budget\",\"public_safety\"]","vector_id":"vec_seg_95289_302","created_at":"2026-10-31T07:37:17Z","speaker_name":"Brian E. 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Uh, my name is Jason Lyon,","topics_json":"[]","vector_id":"vec_seg_95289_335","created_at":"2026-10-31T07:37:17Z","speaker_name":"Jason Lyon"},{"id":"seg_95289_336","meeting_id":"95289","media_asset_id":"med_95289_f20119687f337fb8","agenda_item_id":null,"speaker_id":"spk_95289_jason_lyon","speaker_confidence":0.95,"start_sec":4521.96,"end_sec":4550.62,"text":"and Director of Water, Wastewater, and Engineering Services for the City of Dover. Before you this evening is a evaluation of bids for a project that was budgeted in the FY26 budget to upgrade security fencing at our water treatment plant facility. The security is is not up to current current standards. We had a audit done at that location, and it was deemed that a new fence would need to be re- be installed.","topics_json":"[\"budget\",\"public_safety\"]","vector_id":"vec_seg_95289_336","created_at":"2026-10-31T07:37:17Z","speaker_name":"Jason Lyon"},{"id":"seg_95289_337","meeting_id":"95289","media_asset_id":"med_95289_f20119687f337fb8","agenda_item_id":null,"speaker_id":"spk_95289_jason_lyon","speaker_confidence":0.95,"start_sec":4551.24,"end_sec":4574.88,"text":"We utilized the Office of Supplier Diversity to solicit from all companies that could do this sort of work. We received five bids for this work. 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We did the research on this company, found them to be adequate, and I would be happy to answer any questions that the committee may have.","topics_json":"[\"budget\",\"business\"]","vector_id":"vec_seg_95289_338","created_at":"2026-10-31T07:37:17Z","speaker_name":"Jason Lyon"},{"id":"seg_95289_339","meeting_id":"95289","media_asset_id":"med_95289_f20119687f337fb8","agenda_item_id":null,"speaker_id":"off_gerald_l_rocha_sr","speaker_confidence":0.85,"start_sec":4603.86,"end_sec":4605.86,"text":"Any questions for, uh, Mr. Lyon?","topics_json":"[]","vector_id":"vec_seg_95289_339","created_at":"2026-10-31T07:37:17Z","speaker_name":"Gerald L. Rocha, Sr."},{"id":"seg_95289_34","meeting_id":"95289","media_asset_id":"med_95289_f20119687f337fb8","agenda_item_id":null,"speaker_id":"off_roy_sudler_jr","speaker_confidence":0.95,"start_sec":606.32,"end_sec":613.12,"text":"Any opposed? Thank you. Any opposed? By consent, the motion carries.","topics_json":"[]","vector_id":"vec_seg_95289_34","created_at":"2026-10-31T07:37:16Z","speaker_name":"Roy Sudler, Jr."},{"id":"seg_95289_340","meeting_id":"95289","media_asset_id":"med_95289_f20119687f337fb8","agenda_item_id":null,"speaker_id":"off_brian_e_lewis","speaker_confidence":0.95,"start_sec":4606.1,"end_sec":4607.76,"text":"Lewis has a question.","topics_json":"[]","vector_id":"vec_seg_95289_340","created_at":"2026-10-31T07:37:17Z","speaker_name":"Brian E. Lewis"},{"id":"seg_95289_341","meeting_id":"95289","media_asset_id":"med_95289_f20119687f337fb8","agenda_item_id":null,"speaker_id":"off_gerald_l_rocha_sr","speaker_confidence":0.85,"start_sec":4609.06,"end_sec":4611.06,"text":"Uh, Councilman Lewis, uh, you're recognized.","topics_json":"[]","vector_id":"vec_seg_95289_341","created_at":"2026-10-31T07:37:17Z","speaker_name":"Gerald L. 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I can say that we have used them before with the with the water department on some repairs.","topics_json":"[\"business\"]","vector_id":"vec_seg_95289_343","created_at":"2026-10-31T07:37:17Z","speaker_name":"Jason Lyon"},{"id":"seg_95289_344","meeting_id":"95289","media_asset_id":"med_95289_f20119687f337fb8","agenda_item_id":null,"speaker_id":"spk_95289_jason_lyon","speaker_confidence":0.95,"start_sec":4630.56,"end_sec":4646.86,"text":"They've also been a fence company that has done numerous projects inside the city limits for private uh fence throughout the area. Um, I can't speak to any other departments, but again, we have had some experience with them, and we feel very confident with their work.","topics_json":"[\"business\"]","vector_id":"vec_seg_95289_344","created_at":"2026-10-31T07:37:17Z","speaker_name":"Jason Lyon"},{"id":"seg_95289_345","meeting_id":"95289","media_asset_id":"med_95289_f20119687f337fb8","agenda_item_id":null,"speaker_id":"off_brian_e_lewis","speaker_confidence":0.95,"start_sec":4647.66,"end_sec":4659.86,"text":"My next question is, uh, the total amount that was quoted that you have uh written down here, does that include the 3% reduction? The $210,000?","topics_json":"[\"budget\"]","vector_id":"vec_seg_95289_345","created_at":"2026-10-31T07:37:17Z","speaker_name":"Brian E. Lewis"},{"id":"seg_95289_346","meeting_id":"95289","media_asset_id":"med_95289_f20119687f337fb8","agenda_item_id":null,"speaker_id":"spk_95289_jason_lyon","speaker_confidence":0.95,"start_sec":4660.06,"end_sec":4669.16,"text":"Sure. Great point. Um, yeah, they they submitted a uh local vendor preference, so their evaluated price is lower, right?","topics_json":"[\"budget\",\"business\"]","vector_id":"vec_seg_95289_346","created_at":"2026-10-31T07:37:17Z","speaker_name":"Jason Lyon"},{"id":"seg_95289_347","meeting_id":"95289","media_asset_id":"med_95289_f20119687f337fb8","agenda_item_id":null,"speaker_id":"spk_95289_jason_lyon","speaker_confidence":0.95,"start_sec":4669.2,"end_sec":4682.66,"text":"So, they don't We don't get a discount on it. They don't get a discount on it. It's just the evaluated price. So if if someone else came in at $211,000 but was from a different county or a different state, local vendor preference would provide them the ability to be to be funded.","topics_json":"[\"budget\",\"business\"]","vector_id":"vec_seg_95289_347","created_at":"2026-10-31T07:37:17Z","speaker_name":"Jason Lyon"},{"id":"seg_95289_348","meeting_id":"95289","media_asset_id":"med_95289_f20119687f337fb8","agenda_item_id":null,"speaker_id":"off_brian_e_lewis","speaker_confidence":0.95,"start_sec":4683.86,"end_sec":4683.86,"text":"Okay. So the $210,000 that is including the 3% reduction or it's not? That's the question.","topics_json":"[\"budget\"]","vector_id":"vec_seg_95289_348","created_at":"2026-10-31T07:37:17Z","speaker_name":"Brian E. 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But if we if we receive five bids on a project, it would not be equitable or fair if we didn't hold everyone to the same standard to hold to provide the information at the right date and time.","topics_json":"[\"budget\",\"business\"]","vector_id":"vec_seg_95289_355","created_at":"2026-10-31T07:37:17Z","speaker_name":"Jason Lyon"},{"id":"seg_95289_356","meeting_id":"95289","media_asset_id":"med_95289_f20119687f337fb8","agenda_item_id":null,"speaker_id":"off_brian_e_lewis","speaker_confidence":0.95,"start_sec":4742.23,"end_sec":4749.2,"text":"Okay, so these two other companies from Pennsylvania did not have the required documentation in on a timely manner?","topics_json":"[\"budget\",\"business\"]","vector_id":"vec_seg_95289_356","created_at":"2026-10-31T07:37:17Z","speaker_name":"Brian E. 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I appreciate the opportunity to come and give you an update.","topics_json":"[]","vector_id":"vec_seg_95289_36","created_at":"2026-10-31T07:37:16Z","speaker_name":"Marilyn Smith"},{"id":"seg_95289_360","meeting_id":"95289","media_asset_id":"med_95289_f20119687f337fb8","agenda_item_id":null,"speaker_id":"off_brian_e_lewis","speaker_confidence":0.95,"start_sec":4758.72,"end_sec":4791.13,"text":"Okay. Then I have no further questions at this time.","topics_json":"[\"budget\",\"business\"]","vector_id":"vec_seg_95289_360","created_at":"2026-10-31T07:37:17Z","speaker_name":"Brian E. Lewis"},{"id":"seg_95289_361","meeting_id":"95289","media_asset_id":"med_95289_f20119687f337fb8","agenda_item_id":null,"speaker_id":"off_gerald_l_rocha_sr","speaker_confidence":0.95,"start_sec":4792.63,"end_sec":4800.66,"text":"Okay. Thank you, Mr. Lewis. Dr. Adeyemi, you're recognized. I see you have your hand up. The floor is yours now.","topics_json":"[]","vector_id":"vec_seg_95289_361","created_at":"2026-10-31T07:37:17Z","speaker_name":"Gerald L. Rocha, Sr."},{"id":"seg_95289_362","meeting_id":"95289","media_asset_id":"med_95289_f20119687f337fb8","agenda_item_id":null,"speaker_id":"spk_95289_dr_adeyemi","speaker_confidence":0.9,"start_sec":4801.87,"end_sec":4809.69,"text":"Thank you, Mr. Jason. Thank you, Chairman. Mr. Jason, just a quick question here. You said you have used them before, right?","topics_json":"[\"budget\",\"business\"]","vector_id":"vec_seg_95289_362","created_at":"2026-10-31T07:37:17Z","speaker_name":"Dr. Adeyemi"},{"id":"seg_95289_363","meeting_id":"95289","media_asset_id":"med_95289_f20119687f337fb8","agenda_item_id":null,"speaker_id":"spk_95289_jason_lyon","speaker_confidence":0.95,"start_sec":4810.61,"end_sec":4812.53,"text":"I'm sorry. Could you repeat that? I had a tough time hearing that.","topics_json":"[]","vector_id":"vec_seg_95289_363","created_at":"2026-10-31T07:37:17Z","speaker_name":"Jason Lyon"},{"id":"seg_95289_364","meeting_id":"95289","media_asset_id":"med_95289_f20119687f337fb8","agenda_item_id":null,"speaker_id":"spk_95289_dr_adeyemi","speaker_confidence":0.9,"start_sec":4812.6,"end_sec":4815.66,"text":"Yes, sir. You said you have used the company before.","topics_json":"[\"budget\",\"business\"]","vector_id":"vec_seg_95289_364","created_at":"2026-10-31T07:37:17Z","speaker_name":"Dr. Adeyemi"},{"id":"seg_95289_365","meeting_id":"95289","media_asset_id":"med_95289_f20119687f337fb8","agenda_item_id":null,"speaker_id":"spk_95289_jason_lyon","speaker_confidence":0.95,"start_sec":4815.73,"end_sec":4817.86,"text":"They have been used in the City of Dover before, correct. Yes.","topics_json":"[\"budget\",\"business\"]","vector_id":"vec_seg_95289_365","created_at":"2026-10-31T07:37:17Z","speaker_name":"Jason Lyon"},{"id":"seg_95289_366","meeting_id":"95289","media_asset_id":"med_95289_f20119687f337fb8","agenda_item_id":null,"speaker_id":"spk_95289_dr_adeyemi","speaker_confidence":0.9,"start_sec":4818.57,"end_sec":4832.22,"text":"Okay. On a scale of 1 to 5, with 1 being okay to 5 being satisfactory, how will you rate them on the job you used them for?","topics_json":"[\"budget\",\"business\"]","vector_id":"vec_seg_95289_366","created_at":"2026-10-31T07:37:17Z","speaker_name":"Dr. Adeyemi"},{"id":"seg_95289_367","meeting_id":"95289","media_asset_id":"med_95289_f20119687f337fb8","agenda_item_id":null,"speaker_id":"spk_95289_jason_lyon","speaker_confidence":0.95,"start_sec":4861.79,"end_sec":4868.11,"text":"I would have no I have no concerns with this company, so I suppose if I had to give them a rating of 1 to 5, I would say it would be a 5.","topics_json":"[\"budget\",\"business\"]","vector_id":"vec_seg_95289_367","created_at":"2026-10-31T07:37:17Z","speaker_name":"Jason Lyon"},{"id":"seg_95289_368","meeting_id":"95289","media_asset_id":"med_95289_f20119687f337fb8","agenda_item_id":null,"speaker_id":"spk_95289_dr_adeyemi","speaker_confidence":0.9,"start_sec":4869.32,"end_sec":4874.09,"text":"Okay. So, their quality and durability of their job can speak volume for itself, right?","topics_json":"[\"budget\",\"business\"]","vector_id":"vec_seg_95289_368","created_at":"2026-10-31T07:37:17Z","speaker_name":"Dr. Adeyemi"},{"id":"seg_95289_369","meeting_id":"95289","media_asset_id":"med_95289_f20119687f337fb8","agenda_item_id":null,"speaker_id":"spk_95289_jason_lyon","speaker_confidence":0.95,"start_sec":4874.72,"end_sec":4877.92,"text":"I'm sorry. I was getting misdirect... I'm really having a tough time hearing. I'm sorry.","topics_json":"[]","vector_id":"vec_seg_95289_369","created_at":"2026-10-31T07:37:17Z","speaker_name":"Jason Lyon"},{"id":"seg_95289_37","meeting_id":"95289","media_asset_id":"med_95289_f20119687f337fb8","agenda_item_id":null,"speaker_id":"off_roy_sudler_jr","speaker_confidence":0.95,"start_sec":638.84,"end_sec":639.72,"text":"Good evening.","topics_json":"[]","vector_id":"vec_seg_95289_37","created_at":"2026-10-31T07:37:16Z","speaker_name":"Roy Sudler, Jr."},{"id":"seg_95289_370","meeting_id":"95289","media_asset_id":"med_95289_f20119687f337fb8","agenda_item_id":null,"speaker_id":"spk_95289_dr_adeyemi","speaker_confidence":0.9,"start_sec":4878.28,"end_sec":4885.81,"text":"Okay. Their quality of job and durability of the job they do can speak for itself. Is that what you're saying?","topics_json":"[\"budget\",\"business\"]","vector_id":"vec_seg_95289_370","created_at":"2026-10-31T07:37:17Z","speaker_name":"Dr. Adeyemi"},{"id":"seg_95289_371","meeting_id":"95289","media_asset_id":"med_95289_f20119687f337fb8","agenda_item_id":null,"speaker_id":"spk_95289_jason_lyon","speaker_confidence":0.95,"start_sec":4886.38,"end_sec":4887.09,"text":"Correct.","topics_json":"[\"budget\",\"business\"]","vector_id":"vec_seg_95289_371","created_at":"2026-10-31T07:37:17Z","speaker_name":"Jason Lyon"},{"id":"seg_95289_372","meeting_id":"95289","media_asset_id":"med_95289_f20119687f337fb8","agenda_item_id":null,"speaker_id":"spk_95289_dr_adeyemi","speaker_confidence":0.9,"start_sec":4888.3,"end_sec":4889.87,"text":"Thank you. That's all I have. I yield.","topics_json":"[]","vector_id":"vec_seg_95289_372","created_at":"2026-10-31T07:37:17Z","speaker_name":"Dr. Adeyemi"},{"id":"seg_95289_373","meeting_id":"95289","media_asset_id":"med_95289_f20119687f337fb8","agenda_item_id":null,"speaker_id":"spk_95289_jason_lyon","speaker_confidence":0.95,"start_sec":4890.15,"end_sec":4892.42,"text":"And I do apologize. I'm just having a tough time with the the audio.","topics_json":"[]","vector_id":"vec_seg_95289_373","created_at":"2026-10-31T07:37:17Z","speaker_name":"Jason Lyon"},{"id":"seg_95289_374","meeting_id":"95289","media_asset_id":"med_95289_f20119687f337fb8","agenda_item_id":null,"speaker_id":"off_gerald_l_rocha_sr","speaker_confidence":0.95,"start_sec":4893.06,"end_sec":4897.47,"text":"Oh, okay. I hope you all can hear me pretty good. Is there any other questions for Mr. Lyon?","topics_json":"[]","vector_id":"vec_seg_95289_374","created_at":"2026-10-31T07:37:17Z","speaker_name":"Gerald L. Rocha, Sr."},{"id":"seg_95289_375","meeting_id":"95289","media_asset_id":"med_95289_f20119687f337fb8","agenda_item_id":null,"speaker_id":"spk_95289_jason_lyon","speaker_confidence":0.9,"start_sec":4897.9,"end_sec":4899.11,"text":"Dr. Sudler has one.","topics_json":"[]","vector_id":"vec_seg_95289_375","created_at":"2026-10-31T07:37:17Z","speaker_name":"Jason Lyon"},{"id":"seg_95289_376","meeting_id":"95289","media_asset_id":"med_95289_f20119687f337fb8","agenda_item_id":null,"speaker_id":"off_gerald_l_rocha_sr","speaker_confidence":0.95,"start_sec":4900.1,"end_sec":4901.66,"text":"Dr. Sudler, how you doing? You're recognized.","topics_json":"[]","vector_id":"vec_seg_95289_376","created_at":"2026-10-31T07:37:17Z","speaker_name":"Gerald L. Rocha, Sr."},{"id":"seg_95289_377","meeting_id":"95289","media_asset_id":"med_95289_f20119687f337fb8","agenda_item_id":null,"speaker_id":"off_roy_sudler_jr","speaker_confidence":0.95,"start_sec":4901.81,"end_sec":4915.17,"text":"Thank you, Chairman Rocha. It's actually not a question, but I would like to move that we award the contract to Pierce Fence Company for the security fence replacement for the water treatment plant, Bid #26-0006WW.","topics_json":"[\"budget\",\"business\",\"public_safety\"]","vector_id":"vec_seg_95289_377","created_at":"2026-10-31T07:37:17Z","speaker_name":"Roy Sudler, Jr."},{"id":"seg_95289_378","meeting_id":"95289","media_asset_id":"med_95289_f20119687f337fb8","agenda_item_id":null,"speaker_id":"off_roy_sudler_jr","speaker_confidence":0.95,"start_sec":4915.17,"end_sec":4920.65,"text":"uh for the amount of $216,000 and and $650.","topics_json":"[\"budget\"]","vector_id":"vec_seg_95289_378","created_at":"2026-10-31T07:37:17Z","speaker_name":"Roy Sudler, Jr."},{"id":"seg_95289_379","meeting_id":"95289","media_asset_id":"med_95289_f20119687f337fb8","agenda_item_id":null,"speaker_id":"off_julia_m_pillsbury","speaker_confidence":0.95,"start_sec":4921.51,"end_sec":4923.17,"text":"Pillsbury seconds.","topics_json":"[]","vector_id":"vec_seg_95289_379","created_at":"2026-10-31T07:37:17Z","speaker_name":"Julia M. 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Uh any any discussion on the motion?","topics_json":"[\"budget\",\"business\"]","vector_id":"vec_seg_95289_380","created_at":"2026-10-31T07:37:17Z","speaker_name":"Gerald L. Rocha, Sr."},{"id":"seg_95289_381","meeting_id":"95289","media_asset_id":"med_95289_f20119687f337fb8","agenda_item_id":null,"speaker_id":"off_roy_sudler_jr","speaker_confidence":0.95,"start_sec":4940.14,"end_sec":4941.86,"text":"Discussion with Sudler.","topics_json":"[]","vector_id":"vec_seg_95289_381","created_at":"2026-10-31T07:37:17Z","speaker_name":"Roy Sudler, Jr."},{"id":"seg_95289_382","meeting_id":"95289","media_asset_id":"med_95289_f20119687f337fb8","agenda_item_id":null,"speaker_id":"off_gerald_l_rocha_sr","speaker_confidence":0.95,"start_sec":4943.18,"end_sec":4945.25,"text":"Dr. Dr. Sudler, you're recognized for discussion.","topics_json":"[]","vector_id":"vec_seg_95289_382","created_at":"2026-10-31T07:37:17Z","speaker_name":"Gerald L. Rocha, Sr."},{"id":"seg_95289_383","meeting_id":"95289","media_asset_id":"med_95289_f20119687f337fb8","agenda_item_id":null,"speaker_id":"off_roy_sudler_jr","speaker_confidence":0.95,"start_sec":4945.85,"end_sec":4972.23,"text":"Uh thank you for recognizing me. I just wanted to say that as a as a contractor, I've never used them before, but I have seen their work out in the field and so I am comfortable in the capacity in which I have a contracting uh company. I've seen their work, never used them, but I've seen their work and so the to me they've been impressive. Haven't heard anything negative, so that's why I'm supporting uh uh this motion. I yield.","topics_json":"[\"business\"]","vector_id":"vec_seg_95289_383","created_at":"2026-10-31T07:37:17Z","speaker_name":"Roy Sudler, Jr."},{"id":"seg_95289_384","meeting_id":"95289","media_asset_id":"med_95289_f20119687f337fb8","agenda_item_id":null,"speaker_id":"off_gerald_l_rocha_sr","speaker_confidence":0.95,"start_sec":4973.11,"end_sec":4980.43,"text":"Thank you, Dr. Sudler. Any any further discussion? Are you ready for the question?","topics_json":"[]","vector_id":"vec_seg_95289_384","created_at":"2026-10-31T07:37:17Z","speaker_name":"Gerald L. Rocha, Sr."},{"id":"seg_95289_385","meeting_id":"95289","media_asset_id":"med_95289_f20119687f337fb8","agenda_item_id":null,"speaker_id":"off_david_l_anderson","speaker_confidence":0.95,"start_sec":4981.42,"end_sec":4984.03,"text":"Mr. Mr. Chairman.","topics_json":"[]","vector_id":"vec_seg_95289_385","created_at":"2026-10-31T07:37:17Z","speaker_name":"David L. Anderson"},{"id":"seg_95289_386","meeting_id":"95289","media_asset_id":"med_95289_f20119687f337fb8","agenda_item_id":null,"speaker_id":"off_gerald_l_rocha_sr","speaker_confidence":0.95,"start_sec":4985.04,"end_sec":4988.01,"text":"Oh, um Mr. Anderson, you're recognized.","topics_json":"[]","vector_id":"vec_seg_95289_386","created_at":"2026-10-31T07:37:17Z","speaker_name":"Gerald L. Rocha, Sr."},{"id":"seg_95289_387","meeting_id":"95289","media_asset_id":"med_95289_f20119687f337fb8","agenda_item_id":null,"speaker_id":"off_david_l_anderson","speaker_confidence":0.95,"start_sec":4988.35,"end_sec":4996.53,"text":"Uh thank you, Mr. Chairman. Uh there is someone who wants to a member of the public who wishes to comment if you would like to allow that.","topics_json":"[]","vector_id":"vec_seg_95289_387","created_at":"2026-10-31T07:37:17Z","speaker_name":"David L. 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You reached out to OSD in reference to a prime, and I don't know what happened to that, but what about the subcontracting for small contractors for this type of project when you have over $200,000?","topics_json":"[\"business\",\"budget\"]","vector_id":"vec_seg_95289_389","created_at":"2026-10-31T07:37:17Z","speaker_name":"Bobby Wilson"},{"id":"seg_95289_39","meeting_id":"95289","media_asset_id":"med_95289_f20119687f337fb8","agenda_item_id":null,"speaker_id":"spk_95289_council_member","speaker_confidence":0.8,"start_sec":691.72,"end_sec":692.58,"text":"Thank you.","topics_json":"[]","vector_id":"vec_seg_95289_39","created_at":"2026-10-31T07:37:16Z","speaker_name":null},{"id":"seg_95289_390","meeting_id":"95289","media_asset_id":"med_95289_f20119687f337fb8","agenda_item_id":null,"speaker_id":"off_gerald_l_rocha_sr","speaker_confidence":0.9,"start_sec":5045,"end_sec":5046.98,"text":"Mr. Lyon, you're recognized.","topics_json":"[]","vector_id":"vec_seg_95289_390","created_at":"2026-10-31T07:37:17Z","speaker_name":"Gerald L. Rocha, Sr."},{"id":"seg_95289_391","meeting_id":"95289","media_asset_id":"med_95289_f20119687f337fb8","agenda_item_id":null,"speaker_id":"spk_95289_jason_lyon","speaker_confidence":0.95,"start_sec":5047.12,"end_sec":5073.24,"text":"Yes, um the the City of Dover's requirement for subcontracting is is not a is not a requirement, uh unfortunately. So, um we we reached out through the Office of Supplier Diversity for fencing contractors. Through that that's a category that you can look for on the website, and then we solicited from them. Um, but as far as subcontracting goes, that's going to be up for that prime contractor to make that decision.","topics_json":"[\"business\",\"budget\"]","vector_id":"vec_seg_95289_391","created_at":"2026-10-31T07:37:17Z","speaker_name":"Jason Lyon"},{"id":"seg_95289_392","meeting_id":"95289","media_asset_id":"med_95289_f20119687f337fb8","agenda_item_id":null,"speaker_id":"spk_95289_bobby_wilson","speaker_confidence":0.95,"start_sec":5077.41,"end_sec":5103.92,"text":"And for future contracts, the City of Dover, the small contractors are left out of these large prime contracts. So therefore, you're talking about the homeless, you're talking about workforce development. So how are we to get involved when we're giving out over 200, 300, and millions of dollars of contracts with our small contractors are not being included? Tell me how did that work?","topics_json":"[\"homelessness\",\"business\",\"budget\"]","vector_id":"vec_seg_95289_392","created_at":"2026-10-31T07:37:17Z","speaker_name":"Bobby Wilson"},{"id":"seg_95289_393","meeting_id":"95289","media_asset_id":"med_95289_f20119687f337fb8","agenda_item_id":null,"speaker_id":"spk_95289_jason_lyon","speaker_confidence":0.95,"start_sec":5104.77,"end_sec":5111.77,"text":"I'm going to answer this by saying this is a city policy for procurement. I believe that if there is needs to be a change, it needs to be done","topics_json":"[\"business\",\"budget\"]","vector_id":"vec_seg_95289_393","created_at":"2026-10-31T07:37:17Z","speaker_name":"Jason Lyon"},{"id":"seg_95289_394","meeting_id":"95289","media_asset_id":"med_95289_f20119687f337fb8","agenda_item_id":null,"speaker_id":"spk_95289_public_commenter","speaker_confidence":0.85,"start_sec":5111.78,"end_sec":5113.98,"text":"Tell you what. Do you think there need to be a change, sir?","topics_json":"[\"business\"]","vector_id":"vec_seg_95289_394","created_at":"2026-10-31T07:37:17Z","speaker_name":null},{"id":"seg_95289_395","meeting_id":"95289","media_asset_id":"med_95289_f20119687f337fb8","agenda_item_id":null,"speaker_id":"spk_95289_jason_lyon","speaker_confidence":0.95,"start_sec":5114.18,"end_sec":5116.38,"text":"That is not my turn to answer that question.","topics_json":"[]","vector_id":"vec_seg_95289_395","created_at":"2026-10-31T07:37:17Z","speaker_name":"Jason Lyon"},{"id":"seg_95289_396","meeting_id":"95289","media_asset_id":"med_95289_f20119687f337fb8","agenda_item_id":null,"speaker_id":"spk_95289_public_commenter","speaker_confidence":0.85,"start_sec":5116.58,"end_sec":5122.08,"text":"Your opinion, being a director of a department, do we have your opinion represents this?","topics_json":"[\"business\"]","vector_id":"vec_seg_95289_396","created_at":"2026-10-31T07:37:17Z","speaker_name":null},{"id":"seg_95289_397","meeting_id":"95289","media_asset_id":"med_95289_f20119687f337fb8","agenda_item_id":null,"speaker_id":"spk_95289_jason_lyon","speaker_confidence":0.95,"start_sec":5125.28,"end_sec":5131.08,"text":"Uh, I believe it's a it's a valid point to make. I think it could not hurt.","topics_json":"[\"business\"]","vector_id":"vec_seg_95289_397","created_at":"2026-10-31T07:37:17Z","speaker_name":"Jason Lyon"},{"id":"seg_95289_398","meeting_id":"95289","media_asset_id":"med_95289_f20119687f337fb8","agenda_item_id":null,"speaker_id":"spk_95289_public_commenter","speaker_confidence":0.85,"start_sec":5131.18,"end_sec":5132.18,"text":"Thank you.","topics_json":"[]","vector_id":"vec_seg_95289_398","created_at":"2026-10-31T07:37:17Z","speaker_name":null},{"id":"seg_95289_399","meeting_id":"95289","media_asset_id":"med_95289_f20119687f337fb8","agenda_item_id":null,"speaker_id":"spk_95289_public_commenter","speaker_confidence":0.9,"start_sec":5135.08,"end_sec":5209.18,"text":"Also, in the pre-bid meeting, in the pre-bid meeting with the City of Dover, there's no mandatory pre-bid meeting. So, therefore, when a small contractor like Mr. Sutler, like Miss like Councilwoman Hall, and myself, we are not invited to meet the large contractors because they're not mandatory to be there. So, therefore, how is the small contractor supposed to connect to the prime contractor when there's no mandatory pre-bid meeting?","topics_json":"[\"business\",\"budget\"]","vector_id":"vec_seg_95289_399","created_at":"2026-10-31T07:37:17Z","speaker_name":null},{"id":"seg_95289_4","meeting_id":"95289","media_asset_id":"med_95289_f20119687f337fb8","agenda_item_id":null,"speaker_id":"off_fred_a_neil","speaker_confidence":0.95,"start_sec":26.5,"end_sec":33.5,"text":"It's been moved and seconded. Any questions? If not, all in favor please say aye.","topics_json":"[]","vector_id":"vec_seg_95289_4","created_at":"2026-10-31T07:37:16Z","speaker_name":"Fred A. Neil"},{"id":"seg_95289_40","meeting_id":"95289","media_asset_id":"med_95289_f20119687f337fb8","agenda_item_id":null,"speaker_id":"spk_95289_marilyn_smith","speaker_confidence":0.95,"start_sec":693.4,"end_sec":786.42,"text":"Okay, so that makes it a little easier. And then you also have the giant-sized version if you want to follow along on the giant-sized version. Uh, so this is, you all, I've come before and I usually have slides, and I decided, um, we're going to do this in kind of a newsletter today. So that's what you have, is you have the newsletter update, and I want to just highlight a few things. So first of all, um, introductions and purpose. Um, Mayor Christiansen is not here tonight, but I think all of you know that Mayor Christiansen is the chair of the MPO Council. We appreciate him, um, and his representation of the city and his, um, never failing support of the MPO and what we do. Um, secondly, I do want to recognize Jason Lyon. Um, Jason Lyon sits on our Technical Advisory Committee, and again, um, the Technical Advisory Committee is just that, it's technical, and we really appreciate that Jason comes to the meetings, he's prepared, he absolutely gives us a lot of, um, his professional expertise, and he really represents the city well on the TAC. Um, the TAC does have a spot for someone from the planning department, and that spot is currently not being filled. Um, the last thing is that a request that came to me in preparation for this meeting is from Councilman Rocha, and you can see that he, um, asked that, uh, when we do our next plan of work, he recommended that a metropolitan traffic study for the city of Dover and the surrounding area be conducted. And if a recent study has been conducted by DelDOT or the MPO, can we have someone come and brief us as to results so our constituents can be properly informed? That's why you have me. I'm the someone to come and brief you on all of these things that have been done in the city of Dover in the last five years. Um, now, full disclosure, we don't have time, and you have a full agenda, for me to take you through every one of those things. Um, but what I will offer to you is that if you want a workshop where we go a deep dive into every single one of those things, you are more than","topics_json":"[]","vector_id":"vec_seg_95289_40","created_at":"2026-10-31T07:37:16Z","speaker_name":"Marilyn Smith"},{"id":"seg_95289_400","meeting_id":"95289","media_asset_id":"med_95289_f20119687f337fb8","agenda_item_id":null,"speaker_id":"spk_95289_public_commenter","speaker_confidence":0.9,"start_sec":5209.88,"end_sec":5248.48,"text":"And the answer from Mr. Lyon's office is is that we do not get enough contractors to participate. Well, therefore, if they don't want to participate, they don't want to get this the money from our taxpayers. If they think so less of our contracts to not to participate in a pre-bid meeting. So, we need to answer these questions for the small contractors. And I'm on the front line trying to represent the small contractors so they can feed their family as well. If we are still about DEI in the City of Dover, as the Council President has stated, is that right, Council President?","topics_json":"[\"business\",\"budget\"]","vector_id":"vec_seg_95289_400","created_at":"2026-10-31T07:37:17Z","speaker_name":null},{"id":"seg_95289_401","meeting_id":"95289","media_asset_id":"med_95289_f20119687f337fb8","agenda_item_id":null,"speaker_id":"off_fred_a_neil","speaker_confidence":0.95,"start_sec":5248.78,"end_sec":5249.98,"text":"Yes, sir.","topics_json":"[]","vector_id":"vec_seg_95289_401","created_at":"2026-10-31T07:37:17Z","speaker_name":"Fred A. Neil"},{"id":"seg_95289_402","meeting_id":"95289","media_asset_id":"med_95289_f20119687f337fb8","agenda_item_id":null,"speaker_id":"spk_95289_public_commenter","speaker_confidence":0.9,"start_sec":5250.28,"end_sec":5256.28,"text":"If we are still about DEI, let's show DEI in our contracts, please.","topics_json":"[\"business\",\"budget\"]","vector_id":"vec_seg_95289_402","created_at":"2026-10-31T07:37:17Z","speaker_name":null},{"id":"seg_95289_403","meeting_id":"95289","media_asset_id":"med_95289_f20119687f337fb8","agenda_item_id":null,"speaker_id":"off_andre_m_boggerty","speaker_confidence":0.9,"start_sec":5257.58,"end_sec":5282.88,"text":"So, um, Mr. Lyon, I I think that, um, at the minimum, we probably could take a look at that. Do you think that's something that we could take a look at making seeing what it would take to make the pre-bid meetings mandatory so that we can open up a door or two for some of the small uh small subcontractors?","topics_json":"[\"business\"]","vector_id":"vec_seg_95289_403","created_at":"2026-10-31T07:37:17Z","speaker_name":"Andre M. Boggerty"},{"id":"seg_95289_404","meeting_id":"95289","media_asset_id":"med_95289_f20119687f337fb8","agenda_item_id":null,"speaker_id":"spk_95289_jason_lyon","speaker_confidence":0.95,"start_sec":5283.68,"end_sec":5308.38,"text":"Uh, for the record, Jason Lyon. Um, I have no opposition to it. I have to emphasize, this is not a Department of Wastewater issue. This is a City of Dover procurement issue. So I cannot speak on behalf of the entire city on this fact. I have no problem working with it and making things better. Um, I know that our department goes above and beyond the procurement policy, I'll be happy to mention that, um, to reach out to all the um the people that are that are on the Office of Supplier Diversity that are registered through the state. We reach out to them for every project. Um, but I have no objection to being part of the team to to make a change. Uh, I will mention that with certain projects that are extremely complex, you're going to have an issue with people coming from out of state to a mandatory pre-bid meeting. Just want to mention that. Um, and if they don't come to the mandatory pre-bid meeting, then they can't bid on the project. And if they don't come to the the pre-bid meeting, then we're just kind of spinning our wheels. So just keep that in the mind, uh, as you make a decision.","topics_json":"[\"business\"]","vector_id":"vec_seg_95289_404","created_at":"2026-10-31T07:37:17Z","speaker_name":"Jason Lyon"},{"id":"seg_95289_405","meeting_id":"95289","media_asset_id":"med_95289_f20119687f337fb8","agenda_item_id":null,"speaker_id":"spk_95289_james_wilson","speaker_confidence":0.9,"start_sec":5308.38,"end_sec":5310.58,"text":"as, as council and, and a committee.","topics_json":"[]","vector_id":"vec_seg_95289_405","created_at":"2026-10-31T07:37:17Z","speaker_name":"James Wilson"},{"id":"seg_95289_406","meeting_id":"95289","media_asset_id":"med_95289_f20119687f337fb8","agenda_item_id":null,"speaker_id":"off_gerald_l_rocha_sr","speaker_confidence":1,"start_sec":5310.58,"end_sec":5355.78,"text":"Yeah, I, I get what you're saying. I get what you're saying. Um, but I, I do think that for the minimum, of course, there, there's a work around for everything. But I get what you're saying, because some of the work that you're probably uh putting out for bid is is, you know, basically uh there may not be a contractor within the area that, that would be able to bid on it. And we want to open it up so that we get the necessary uh experts to come in and do the work. But I think we should at least, I'll, I'll even uh if Mr. Hugg is, is listening, um maybe we should uh look into it and see how we can uh accommodate that.","topics_json":"[\"business\"]","vector_id":"vec_seg_95289_406","created_at":"2026-10-31T07:37:17Z","speaker_name":"Gerald L. Rocha, Sr."},{"id":"seg_95289_407","meeting_id":"95289","media_asset_id":"med_95289_f20119687f337fb8","agenda_item_id":null,"speaker_id":"spk_95289_james_wilson","speaker_confidence":0.95,"start_sec":5355.78,"end_sec":5363.78,"text":"One thing about it, it's Dover's world. We have, you are virtual. Why can't we have a virtual meeting in the pre-bid meeting?","topics_json":"[\"business\"]","vector_id":"vec_seg_95289_407","created_at":"2026-10-31T07:37:17Z","speaker_name":"James Wilson"},{"id":"seg_95289_408","meeting_id":"95289","media_asset_id":"med_95289_f20119687f337fb8","agenda_item_id":null,"speaker_id":"off_gerald_l_rocha_sr","speaker_confidence":1,"start_sec":5363.78,"end_sec":5387.88,"text":"Okay. All right, let's, we're going to close out this um Understood, uh Mr. Wilson. Um, but yeah, um you just heard me agree with you to some degree. So, you know, let's get the ball rolling and I don't think we should take up any more time right now. Uh, you've spoken to all of me, myself, and all my colleagues and, and we get what you're saying.","topics_json":"[]","vector_id":"vec_seg_95289_408","created_at":"2026-10-31T07:37:17Z","speaker_name":"Gerald L. Rocha, Sr."},{"id":"seg_95289_409","meeting_id":"95289","media_asset_id":"med_95289_f20119687f337fb8","agenda_item_id":null,"speaker_id":"spk_95289_james_wilson","speaker_confidence":0.95,"start_sec":5387.88,"end_sec":5389.68,"text":"Can I say one more thing, sir?","topics_json":"[]","vector_id":"vec_seg_95289_409","created_at":"2026-10-31T07:37:17Z","speaker_name":"James Wilson"},{"id":"seg_95289_41","meeting_id":"95289","media_asset_id":"med_95289_f20119687f337fb8","agenda_item_id":null,"speaker_id":"spk_95289_marilyn_smith","speaker_confidence":0.95,"start_sec":786.43,"end_sec":796.31,"text":"welcome. We will set that up and you can come to our office. We have all the boards, we have all the all the slides, all the documents, and we'd be very happy to take you through any and all of those projects if you'd like to talk about them in detail.","topics_json":"[]","vector_id":"vec_seg_95289_41","created_at":"2026-10-31T07:37:16Z","speaker_name":"Marilyn Smith"},{"id":"seg_95289_410","meeting_id":"95289","media_asset_id":"med_95289_f20119687f337fb8","agenda_item_id":null,"speaker_id":"off_david_l_anderson","speaker_confidence":0.95,"start_sec":5389.68,"end_sec":5392.18,"text":"Point of","topics_json":"[]","vector_id":"vec_seg_95289_410","created_at":"2026-10-31T07:37:17Z","speaker_name":"David L. Anderson"},{"id":"seg_95289_411","meeting_id":"95289","media_asset_id":"med_95289_f20119687f337fb8","agenda_item_id":null,"speaker_id":"spk_95289_james_wilson","speaker_confidence":0.95,"start_sec":5390.58,"end_sec":5412.18,"text":"There's other municipalities that we can get examples to. I can take you to Washington, D.C., Maryland. December 8th they have a procurement conference in Washington, in, in at Maryland Live Casino you can go to. Do a a retreat. City Council do a retreat to another city and find out how the procurement department works. That's all.","topics_json":"[\"business\"]","vector_id":"vec_seg_95289_411","created_at":"2026-10-31T07:37:17Z","speaker_name":"James Wilson"},{"id":"seg_95289_412","meeting_id":"95289","media_asset_id":"med_95289_f20119687f337fb8","agenda_item_id":null,"speaker_id":"off_david_l_anderson","speaker_confidence":0.95,"start_sec":5412.18,"end_sec":5414.48,"text":"Point, point, point of","topics_json":"[]","vector_id":"vec_seg_95289_412","created_at":"2026-10-31T07:37:17Z","speaker_name":"David L. Anderson"},{"id":"seg_95289_413","meeting_id":"95289","media_asset_id":"med_95289_f20119687f337fb8","agenda_item_id":null,"speaker_id":"off_gerald_l_rocha_sr","speaker_confidence":1,"start_sec":5414.48,"end_sec":5417.28,"text":"Understood. Point of order. Go ahead, uh Councilman Anderson.","topics_json":"[]","vector_id":"vec_seg_95289_413","created_at":"2026-10-31T07:37:17Z","speaker_name":"Gerald L. Rocha, Sr."},{"id":"seg_95289_414","meeting_id":"95289","media_asset_id":"med_95289_f20119687f337fb8","agenda_item_id":null,"speaker_id":"off_david_l_anderson","speaker_confidence":1,"start_sec":5417.28,"end_sec":5431.18,"text":"Uh, thank you, uh Mr. Chairman. I just, Dr. Sudler, uh wanted to respectfully remind the citizens there's a 3-minute uh time limit. And uh, anyway, uh thank you.","topics_json":"[]","vector_id":"vec_seg_95289_414","created_at":"2026-10-31T07:37:17Z","speaker_name":"David L. 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Rocha, Sr."},{"id":"seg_95289_417","meeting_id":"95289","media_asset_id":"med_95289_f20119687f337fb8","agenda_item_id":null,"speaker_id":"off_roy_sudler_jr","speaker_confidence":1,"start_sec":5437.18,"end_sec":5504.98,"text":"Uh, uh thank you, uh Chairman Rocha. Uh, with the current dialogue, in which we have heard before, um that contractors have asked for a uh pre-mandatory, this is not the first time that uh Mr. Wilson has brought this to our attention. And so, I would like to, I move that um we have within 60 days, or I would say in January, we have the procurement uh department or whoever is in charge of the procurement process to come to a meeting, whether it's your committee meeting or the Legislative, Finance, and Administration Committee meeting. 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Boggerty"},{"id":"seg_95289_421","meeting_id":"95289","media_asset_id":"med_95289_f20119687f337fb8","agenda_item_id":null,"speaker_id":"off_roy_sudler_jr","speaker_confidence":0.95,"start_sec":5524.05,"end_sec":5582.59,"text":"It's been I moved I moved to So in a quick synopsis, I moved that we revisit this um topic with a procurement um officer or whoever's um in charge of the procurement process and within 60 days to have them come back and brief council on the policy, the process, and what we would need to do to change the process so that we'll be in compliance uh moving forward. And to and to and to offer uh that discussion to small contractors or whoever, the public to come and participate in that discussion with the Utilities Committee. So in other in other words, in 60 days, have someone from the procurement office come out and at this utility meeting uh or in your committee if if if you are in approval of that and and uh have this discussion there.","topics_json":"[\"business\"]","vector_id":"vec_seg_95289_421","created_at":"2026-10-31T07:37:17Z","speaker_name":"Roy Sudler, Jr."},{"id":"seg_95289_422","meeting_id":"95289","media_asset_id":"med_95289_f20119687f337fb8","agenda_item_id":null,"speaker_id":"off_andre_m_boggerty","speaker_confidence":0.95,"start_sec":5583.83,"end_sec":5586.11,"text":"Okay. Uh Madam Clerk, did you get did you get that motion?","topics_json":"[]","vector_id":"vec_seg_95289_422","created_at":"2026-10-31T07:37:17Z","speaker_name":"Andre M. 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We also have uh another motion on the floor um to accept the staff recommendation for the award of the Pearce Fence uh Fence Company contract. Uh are we Is there any further discussion on that motion? Hearing none, all those in favor, please state by saying aye.","topics_json":"[\"business\"]","vector_id":"vec_seg_95289_429","created_at":"2026-10-31T07:37:17Z","speaker_name":"Andre M. Boggerty"},{"id":"seg_95289_43","meeting_id":"95289","media_asset_id":"med_95289_f20119687f337fb8","agenda_item_id":null,"speaker_id":"spk_95289_marilyn_smith","speaker_confidence":0.95,"start_sec":800.86,"end_sec":812.37,"text":"Um, you always ask me about Garrison, so the Garrison Oak project, um, alternatives are being drafted and a public workshop is anticipated in the summer of 2026. 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Um the next item up uh if uh Mr. Jason Lyon is still here uh is the evaluation of bids for Pump Station #7 upgrades. Um Director Lyon, uh you're you're recognized.","topics_json":"[]","vector_id":"vec_seg_95289_433","created_at":"2026-10-31T07:37:17Z","speaker_name":"Andre M. Boggerty"},{"id":"seg_95289_434","meeting_id":"95289","media_asset_id":"med_95289_f20119687f337fb8","agenda_item_id":null,"speaker_id":"spk_95289_jason_lyon","speaker_confidence":0.95,"start_sec":5655.31,"end_sec":5701.6,"text":"Good evening, Committee Chair, uh fellow committee members, and Team Dover. Jason Lyon, Director of Water and Wastewater Engineering Services. Before you this evening is another um contract that was approved in the FY 26 budget to upgrade an existing pump station that we uh operate. Um we call this Pump Station #7. General location is on Route 13 um next to Bally's. Um this pump station is a significant pump station uh due to the fact of the amount of flow that it receives as well as when Kent County bypasses through the city of Dover, it goes","topics_json":"[\"budget\"]","vector_id":"vec_seg_95289_434","created_at":"2026-10-31T07:37:17Z","speaker_name":"Jason Lyon"},{"id":"seg_95289_435","meeting_id":"95289","media_asset_id":"med_95289_f20119687f337fb8","agenda_item_id":null,"speaker_id":"spk_95289_jason_lyon","speaker_confidence":0.9,"start_sec":5701.6,"end_sec":5782.37,"text":"through this station. Um, and in so doing, we need to have proper equipment and uh bypassing methodologies to accept that flow. So, that's part of this project um is to increase that operational capability. Uh, additionally, the wet well in this project, which is the underground storage of the flow um, is uh concrete and it needs to be relined to provide sustainability for the future. Um, as certain gases are uh emitted through this sewage. Um, again, we utilize the Office of Supplier Diversity, had a non-mandatory pre-bid meeting for this project. Uh, bid this out, we received two bids on the project. Uh, we um found that A-Del Construction, who has been a project, you may have heard that name numerous times uh from my mouth. This company has done projects for us in this large utility realm um numerous times. Uh, we find them to be quite satisfactory. Uh, the project came in under budget um, and to answer a potential question ahead of time, this evaluated price does include the 3% local vendor preference. Um, I'll be happy to answer any questions from the team.","topics_json":"[\"budget\",\"business\"]","vector_id":"vec_seg_95289_435","created_at":"2026-10-31T07:37:17Z","speaker_name":"Jason Lyon"},{"id":"seg_95289_436","meeting_id":"95289","media_asset_id":"med_95289_f20119687f337fb8","agenda_item_id":null,"speaker_id":"off_andre_m_boggerty","speaker_confidence":0.9,"start_sec":5783.63,"end_sec":5785.3,"text":"Mr. Lewis, had a question, anyone? Who had? Uh, uh, Councilman Lewis?","topics_json":"[]","vector_id":"vec_seg_95289_436","created_at":"2026-10-31T07:37:17Z","speaker_name":"Andre M. Boggerty"},{"id":"seg_95289_437","meeting_id":"95289","media_asset_id":"med_95289_f20119687f337fb8","agenda_item_id":null,"speaker_id":"off_brian_e_lewis","speaker_confidence":0.95,"start_sec":5787.11,"end_sec":5788.14,"text":"Correct, I had a question.","topics_json":"[]","vector_id":"vec_seg_95289_437","created_at":"2026-10-31T07:37:17Z","speaker_name":"Brian E. 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Lewis"},{"id":"seg_95289_44","meeting_id":"95289","media_asset_id":"med_95289_f20119687f337fb8","agenda_item_id":null,"speaker_id":"spk_95289_marilyn_smith","speaker_confidence":0.95,"start_sec":812.37,"end_sec":826.52,"text":"Uh, we did complete a Kent County Comprehensive Safety Action Plan. Uh, we identified a high injury network. The bulk of that high injury network is in the city of Dover, along US 13. So there are 29 intersections and 24 corridors that are identified in Dover as high injury.","topics_json":"[\"public_safety\"]","vector_id":"vec_seg_95289_44","created_at":"2026-10-31T07:37:16Z","speaker_name":"Marilyn Smith"},{"id":"seg_95289_440","meeting_id":"95289","media_asset_id":"med_95289_f20119687f337fb8","agenda_item_id":null,"speaker_id":"spk_95289_jason_lyon","speaker_confidence":0.9,"start_sec":5790.98,"end_sec":5793.86,"text":"Uh yes, sir. We budgeted $680,000, and the award is $636,000.","topics_json":"[\"budget\"]","vector_id":"vec_seg_95289_440","created_at":"2026-10-31T07:37:17Z","speaker_name":"Jason Lyon"},{"id":"seg_95289_441","meeting_id":"95289","media_asset_id":"med_95289_f20119687f337fb8","agenda_item_id":null,"speaker_id":"off_brian_e_lewis","speaker_confidence":0.95,"start_sec":5794.49,"end_sec":5798.67,"text":"Okay. Uh the next question I have is, uh does this in any way feed into the county?","topics_json":"[]","vector_id":"vec_seg_95289_441","created_at":"2026-10-31T07:37:17Z","speaker_name":"Brian E. Lewis"},{"id":"seg_95289_442","meeting_id":"95289","media_asset_id":"med_95289_f20119687f337fb8","agenda_item_id":null,"speaker_id":"spk_95289_jason_lyon","speaker_confidence":0.9,"start_sec":5799.3,"end_sec":5811.49,"text":"Uh yeah. All of our pump stations eventually do flow to the county. Um this is one of the larger ones that feeds directly to the county. So, we have a network of pump stations that kind of do a parallel or series effect where they kind of go into another pump station and another, and eventually discharged to the county. This one directly discharges into the county.","topics_json":"[]","vector_id":"vec_seg_95289_442","created_at":"2026-10-31T07:37:17Z","speaker_name":"Jason Lyon"},{"id":"seg_95289_443","meeting_id":"95289","media_asset_id":"med_95289_f20119687f337fb8","agenda_item_id":null,"speaker_id":"off_brian_e_lewis","speaker_confidence":0.95,"start_sec":5812.24,"end_sec":5845.49,"text":"Have you spoken with the county as far as if they would be willing to uh assist in compensating us and funding it in any way?","topics_json":"[\"budget\"]","vector_id":"vec_seg_95289_443","created_at":"2026-10-31T07:37:17Z","speaker_name":"Brian E. Lewis"},{"id":"seg_95289_444","meeting_id":"95289","media_asset_id":"med_95289_f20119687f337fb8","agenda_item_id":null,"speaker_id":"spk_95289_jason_lyon","speaker_confidence":0.9,"start_sec":5845.82,"end_sec":5871.84,"text":"Uh th- that's a great question. Um in the past, we have gone in um with certain um projects. That particular station has um a granulated activated carbon filter to decrease the odor of the pump station to the location of it with regard to the Route 13 corridor. Uh the county agreed to um assist in that cost. These costs um are more or less of ongoing maintenance and improvements to make the station function more appropriately. So, we have not asked for this specific question.","topics_json":"[\"budget\"]","vector_id":"vec_seg_95289_444","created_at":"2026-10-31T07:37:17Z","speaker_name":"Jason Lyon"},{"id":"seg_95289_445","meeting_id":"95289","media_asset_id":"med_95289_f20119687f337fb8","agenda_item_id":null,"speaker_id":"off_brian_e_lewis","speaker_confidence":0.95,"start_sec":5872.34,"end_sec":5874.97,"text":"Understood. Um no further questions and at this time.","topics_json":"[]","vector_id":"vec_seg_95289_445","created_at":"2026-10-31T07:37:17Z","speaker_name":"Brian E. Lewis"},{"id":"seg_95289_446","meeting_id":"95289","media_asset_id":"med_95289_f20119687f337fb8","agenda_item_id":null,"speaker_id":"off_andre_m_boggerty","speaker_confidence":0.95,"start_sec":5875.46,"end_sec":5878.45,"text":"Thank you, Mr. Lewis. Any any other uh questions for Mr. Lyon?","topics_json":"[]","vector_id":"vec_seg_95289_446","created_at":"2026-10-31T07:37:17Z","speaker_name":"Andre M. 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So the MPO um, applied for continuing a comprehensive study to do US 13 corridor focusing on that those uh, specific pieces in the high injury network.","topics_json":"[\"public_safety\"]","vector_id":"vec_seg_95289_45","created_at":"2026-10-31T07:37:16Z","speaker_name":"Marilyn Smith"},{"id":"seg_95289_450","meeting_id":"95289","media_asset_id":"med_95289_f20119687f337fb8","agenda_item_id":null,"speaker_id":"off_andre_m_boggerty","speaker_confidence":0.95,"start_sec":5888.19,"end_sec":5898.21,"text":"It's been properly moved by Councilwoman Hall and seconded by Councilman Dr. Sudler to accept staff recommendation and award the contract to A-Del Construction for Pump Station number 7 upgrade. Any discussion?","topics_json":"[\"business\"]","vector_id":"vec_seg_95289_450","created_at":"2026-10-31T07:37:17Z","speaker_name":"Andre M. 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Uh, you know, obviously I can't see, but uh if we have a comment from the audience, please state your name and address for the record.","topics_json":"[]","vector_id":"vec_seg_95289_453","created_at":"2026-10-31T07:37:17Z","speaker_name":"Roy Sudler, Jr."},{"id":"seg_95289_454","meeting_id":"95289","media_asset_id":"med_95289_f20119687f337fb8","agenda_item_id":null,"speaker_id":"spk_95289_bobby_wilson","speaker_confidence":0.95,"start_sec":5913.8,"end_sec":6048.2,"text":"Bobby Wilson, 32 West Loockerman Street, Suite 101D. My question in this project, A-Del Construction, they worked on a project on State Street, and former Councilman Ralph Taylor called A-Del office, and asked A-Del, on my behalf and the city behalf, and asked A-Del, would they, were they going to hire any local contractors or local employees? A-Del told them, told Councilman, um, Taylor that they bring in their own people and they're not hiring any subcontractors. This is what I'm talking about, how we need to have this ordinance in our codes for procurement. And another thing, too, you have a project this large, in this project there's a a great deal of subcontracting activity that can take place: plumbing, concrete. You know, we missing out on all this. A-Del is going to take our money, take it back across the bridge to New Castle, and then the taxpayers are going to be left here with, again, a workforce development program that have no employees to hire people. These projects are good paying jobs, and our citizens are left without these type of jobs, all because companies are coming in out of state, out of the county, and getting these jobs. Now A-Del, you said 3% preference, do they get their 3% preference?","topics_json":"[\"procurement\",\"business\",\"budget\"]","vector_id":"vec_seg_95289_454","created_at":"2026-10-31T07:37:17Z","speaker_name":"Bobby Wilson"},{"id":"seg_95289_455","meeting_id":"95289","media_asset_id":"med_95289_f20119687f337fb8","agenda_item_id":null,"speaker_id":"spk_95289_jason_lyon","speaker_confidence":0.95,"start_sec":6054.2,"end_sec":6071.2,"text":"So just to clarify, Jason Lyon for the record. Um, just to clarify, the the local vendor preference is broken into three different categories: there is, if you're in the city limits, you get first priority; if you're in the county, you get second priority; if you're in the state, you get third priority. This individual this company is located in Newark, the other individual the other company is located in Maryland. So they get the local vendor preference based on the fact that the first two were not hit. Hope that clarifies things.","topics_json":"[\"procurement\",\"business\"]","vector_id":"vec_seg_95289_455","created_at":"2026-10-31T07:37:17Z","speaker_name":"Jason Lyon"},{"id":"seg_95289_456","meeting_id":"95289","media_asset_id":"med_95289_f20119687f337fb8","agenda_item_id":null,"speaker_id":"spk_95289_bobby_wilson","speaker_confidence":0.95,"start_sec":6071.6,"end_sec":6094.8,"text":"Again, a vendor preference. So therefore, why do they get the same vendor preference as a local Dover company? I mean, how do a local Dover or Kent County company get a a higher preference than a company that's coming across the bridge, or get the same preference as a local City of Dover company? That doesn't make any sense. And then another thing, too, as me being a small contractor and Teal Construction, A-Del as a prime con- a contractor, if I build bid on the same contract as a minority and as a a Delaware residents, I should get six, not three. So I'm getting the same thing as a local contractors as well as a contractor that's coming across the bridge. It's not fair.","topics_json":"[\"procurement\",\"business\"]","vector_id":"vec_seg_95289_456","created_at":"2026-10-31T07:37:17Z","speaker_name":"Bobby Wilson"},{"id":"seg_95289_457","meeting_id":"95289","media_asset_id":"med_95289_f20119687f337fb8","agenda_item_id":null,"speaker_id":"off_fred_a_neil","speaker_confidence":0.95,"start_sec":6094.81,"end_sec":6098.25,"text":"Mr. Wilson, you already won tonight. Do you realize that?","topics_json":"[]","vector_id":"vec_seg_95289_457","created_at":"2026-10-31T07:37:17Z","speaker_name":"Fred A. 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This is serious.","topics_json":"[]","vector_id":"vec_seg_95289_460","created_at":"2026-10-31T07:37:17Z","speaker_name":"Mr. Wilson"},{"id":"seg_95289_461","meeting_id":"95289","media_asset_id":"med_95289_f20119687f337fb8","agenda_item_id":null,"speaker_id":"off_fred_a_neil","speaker_confidence":0.95,"start_sec":6103.33,"end_sec":6104.75,"text":"Take the bow!","topics_json":"[]","vector_id":"vec_seg_95289_461","created_at":"2026-10-31T07:37:17Z","speaker_name":"Fred A. Neil"},{"id":"seg_95289_462","meeting_id":"95289","media_asset_id":"med_95289_f20119687f337fb8","agenda_item_id":null,"speaker_id":"spk_95289_mr_wilson","speaker_confidence":0.95,"start_sec":6104.75,"end_sec":6127.96,"text":"This is serious. Another thing too, we talking about aspirational goals. Why not have aspirational goals in these contracts where that when that prime, like A-Del win the contract for a million dollars almost, that he has to sub is a percentage to a smaller contractor, minority contractor, small contractor, someone, without taking it all home with him. Thank you. Have a good night.","topics_json":"[\"business\"]","vector_id":"vec_seg_95289_462","created_at":"2026-10-31T07:37:17Z","speaker_name":"Mr. Wilson"},{"id":"seg_95289_463","meeting_id":"95289","media_asset_id":"med_95289_f20119687f337fb8","agenda_item_id":null,"speaker_id":"off_gerald_l_rocha_sr","speaker_confidence":0.95,"start_sec":6127.96,"end_sec":6131.23,"text":"Mr. Wil- Mr. Wilson. Mr. Wilson.","topics_json":"[]","vector_id":"vec_seg_95289_463","created_at":"2026-10-31T07:37:17Z","speaker_name":"Gerald L. 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I want a chance to speak.","topics_json":"[]","vector_id":"vec_seg_95289_467","created_at":"2026-10-31T07:37:17Z","speaker_name":"Chris Holstein"},{"id":"seg_95289_468","meeting_id":"95289","media_asset_id":"med_95289_f20119687f337fb8","agenda_item_id":null,"speaker_id":"off_andre_m_boggerty","speaker_confidence":0.95,"start_sec":6199.93,"end_sec":6202.55,"text":"Someone from the from the, yeah.","topics_json":"[]","vector_id":"vec_seg_95289_468","created_at":"2026-10-31T07:37:17Z","speaker_name":"Andre M. Boggerty"},{"id":"seg_95289_469","meeting_id":"95289","media_asset_id":"med_95289_f20119687f337fb8","agenda_item_id":null,"speaker_id":"off_gerald_l_rocha_sr","speaker_confidence":0.95,"start_sec":6203.45,"end_sec":6210.16,"text":"Okay, yeah, they they may approach the podium and please state your name and address for the record.","topics_json":"[]","vector_id":"vec_seg_95289_469","created_at":"2026-10-31T07:37:17Z","speaker_name":"Gerald L. Rocha, Sr."},{"id":"seg_95289_47","meeting_id":"95289","media_asset_id":"med_95289_f20119687f337fb8","agenda_item_id":null,"speaker_id":"spk_95289_marilyn_smith","speaker_confidence":0.95,"start_sec":874.57,"end_sec":889.78,"text":"Um, we, every single month, we make uh, we have a staff person who attends the DAC, your Development Coordination Committee, and we provide advisory briefing.","topics_json":"[\"zoning\"]","vector_id":"vec_seg_95289_47","created_at":"2026-10-31T07:37:16Z","speaker_name":"Marilyn Smith"},{"id":"seg_95289_470","meeting_id":"95289","media_asset_id":"med_95289_f20119687f337fb8","agenda_item_id":null,"speaker_id":"spk_95289_chris_holstein","speaker_confidence":0.95,"start_sec":6210.16,"end_sec":6223.6,"text":"Chris Holstein, I'm living at 235 or 239 Kentwood Drive, Dover, Delaware, zip code 19901. I would like to talk to the council about last year's um event that happened.","topics_json":"[]","vector_id":"vec_seg_95289_470","created_at":"2026-10-31T07:37:17Z","speaker_name":"Chris Holstein"},{"id":"seg_95289_471","meeting_id":"95289","media_asset_id":"med_95289_f20119687f337fb8","agenda_item_id":null,"speaker_id":"off_gerald_l_rocha_sr","speaker_confidence":0.95,"start_sec":6224.35,"end_sec":6232.47,"text":"Oh. Wait Wait Wait a minute. Hold Hold on a second. Is Is this in reference to Pump Station Number 7 upgrade?","topics_json":"[]","vector_id":"vec_seg_95289_471","created_at":"2026-10-31T07:37:17Z","speaker_name":"Gerald L. Rocha, Sr."},{"id":"seg_95289_472","meeting_id":"95289","media_asset_id":"med_95289_f20119687f337fb8","agenda_item_id":null,"speaker_id":"spk_95289_chris_holstein","speaker_confidence":0.95,"start_sec":6232.76,"end_sec":6243.61,"text":"No, sir, but it's in reference to Troop 9 and Walter Nelson, Senior trying to reprogram me with along with a couple other things, falsifying medical documents and things like that. I would like my-","topics_json":"[]","vector_id":"vec_seg_95289_472","created_at":"2026-10-31T07:37:17Z","speaker_name":"Chris Holstein"},{"id":"seg_95289_473","meeting_id":"95289","media_asset_id":"med_95289_f20119687f337fb8","agenda_item_id":null,"speaker_id":"off_gerald_l_rocha_sr","speaker_confidence":0.95,"start_sec":6243.61,"end_sec":6249.02,"text":"Oh, yeah, no, that that's not on this committee. This is a Utility Committee business.","topics_json":"[]","vector_id":"vec_seg_95289_473","created_at":"2026-10-31T07:37:17Z","speaker_name":"Gerald L. Rocha, Sr."},{"id":"seg_95289_474","meeting_id":"95289","media_asset_id":"med_95289_f20119687f337fb8","agenda_item_id":null,"speaker_id":"spk_95289_chris_holstein","speaker_confidence":0.9,"start_sec":6249.02,"end_sec":6250.61,"text":"Sir, I understand that.","topics_json":"[]","vector_id":"vec_seg_95289_474","created_at":"2026-10-31T07:37:17Z","speaker_name":"Chris Holstein"},{"id":"seg_95289_475","meeting_id":"95289","media_asset_id":"med_95289_f20119687f337fb8","agenda_item_id":null,"speaker_id":"spk_95289_city_clerk","speaker_confidence":0.9,"start_sec":6250.61,"end_sec":6252.75,"text":"It has to be related to the agenda, sir.","topics_json":"[]","vector_id":"vec_seg_95289_475","created_at":"2026-10-31T07:37:17Z","speaker_name":null},{"id":"seg_95289_476","meeting_id":"95289","media_asset_id":"med_95289_f20119687f337fb8","agenda_item_id":null,"speaker_id":"spk_95289_chris_holstein","speaker_confidence":0.95,"start_sec":6252.75,"end_sec":6252.75,"text":"I understand that. I'm just asking can I have my retrial? That's all I want. I got all my evidence, I got the legal codes, and Family Court. Again, this is going to be quick.","topics_json":"[]","vector_id":"vec_seg_95289_476","created_at":"2026-10-31T07:37:17Z","speaker_name":"Chris Holstein"},{"id":"seg_95289_477","meeting_id":"95289","media_asset_id":"med_95289_f20119687f337fb8","agenda_item_id":null,"speaker_id":"off_andre_m_boggerty","speaker_confidence":0.95,"start_sec":6204.95,"end_sec":6211.15,"text":"All right. Um, I'm I'm going to help you, I'm going to be your eyes and ears, is that all right, Council- Committee Chair?","topics_json":"[]","vector_id":"vec_seg_95289_477","created_at":"2026-10-31T07:37:17Z","speaker_name":"Andre M. 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Uh, we want to look at existing studies, if there's transportation plans, city ordinances, the city's comprehensive plan, all of those kinds of things, and how they apply to any proposed development, and then we make recommendations as to what we think.","topics_json":"[\"zoning\"]","vector_id":"vec_seg_95289_48","created_at":"2026-10-31T07:37:16Z","speaker_name":"Marilyn Smith"},{"id":"seg_95289_480","meeting_id":"95289","media_asset_id":"med_95289_f20119687f337fb8","agenda_item_id":null,"speaker_id":"off_gerald_l_rocha_sr","speaker_confidence":0.95,"start_sec":6225.83,"end_sec":6229.23,"text":"Yeah, yeah, yeah, that's fine. That's fine. Thank you.","topics_json":"[]","vector_id":"vec_seg_95289_480","created_at":"2026-10-31T07:37:17Z","speaker_name":"Gerald L. 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Um, thank you, uh Mr. Lyon, for for for the two items on the agenda. And if there's no fur-","topics_json":"[]","vector_id":"vec_seg_95289_487","created_at":"2026-10-31T07:37:17Z","speaker_name":"Gerald L. Rocha, Sr."},{"id":"seg_95289_488","meeting_id":"95289","media_asset_id":"med_95289_f20119687f337fb8","agenda_item_id":null,"speaker_id":"off_gerald_l_rocha_sr","speaker_confidence":1,"start_sec":6291.42,"end_sec":6301.72,"text":"further business for the Utility Committee, I now call the Utility Committee meeting to adjournment and I turn it back over to Council President Neil. Thank you.","topics_json":"[]","vector_id":"vec_seg_95289_488","created_at":"2026-10-31T07:37:17Z","speaker_name":"Gerald L. Rocha, Sr."},{"id":"seg_95289_489","meeting_id":"95289","media_asset_id":"med_95289_f20119687f337fb8","agenda_item_id":null,"speaker_id":"off_fred_a_neil","speaker_confidence":1,"start_sec":6301.72,"end_sec":6312.42,"text":"Thank you, Mr. Rocha. I now recognize Chairman David Anderson to conduct the business of the Legislative, Finance, and Administrative Committee. The floor is yours, sir.","topics_json":"[]","vector_id":"vec_seg_95289_489","created_at":"2026-10-31T07:37:17Z","speaker_name":"Fred A. Neil"},{"id":"seg_95289_49","meeting_id":"95289","media_asset_id":"med_95289_f20119687f337fb8","agenda_item_id":null,"speaker_id":"spk_95289_marilyn_smith","speaker_confidence":0.95,"start_sec":936.06,"end_sec":950.7,"text":"Um, nobody likes to hear our recommendations. Our recommendations are often ignored. Um, and and, I don't again, we're not regulatory, um, we're not an implementing agency, so all we can do is give you our very best expertise when it comes to transportation.","topics_json":"[]","vector_id":"vec_seg_95289_49","created_at":"2026-10-31T07:37:16Z","speaker_name":"Marilyn Smith"},{"id":"seg_95289_490","meeting_id":"95289","media_asset_id":"med_95289_f20119687f337fb8","agenda_item_id":null,"speaker_id":"off_david_l_anderson","speaker_confidence":1,"start_sec":6312.42,"end_sec":6343.32,"text":"Thank you, Mr. President. The Legislative, Finance, and Administration Committee is called to order. We'll give a minute um for everyone to take their space here. Please take your time, sir. Don't don't rush. We have plenty We're going to be here a minute. Thank you very much. Now, at this time, I'd like to entertain a motion to adopt the agenda.","topics_json":"[]","vector_id":"vec_seg_95289_490","created_at":"2026-10-31T07:37:17Z","speaker_name":"David L. 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You have divots in there that the the blacktop is so thin, you can actually see the dirt underneath it.","topics_json":"[]","vector_id":"vec_seg_95289_517","created_at":"2026-10-31T07:37:17Z","speaker_name":"Brian E. Lewis"},{"id":"seg_95289_518","meeting_id":"95289","media_asset_id":"med_95289_f20119687f337fb8","agenda_item_id":null,"speaker_id":"spk_95289_city_staff","speaker_confidence":0.9,"start_sec":6622.47,"end_sec":6623.15,"text":"Understood.","topics_json":"[]","vector_id":"vec_seg_95289_518","created_at":"2026-10-31T07:37:17Z","speaker_name":null},{"id":"seg_95289_519","meeting_id":"95289","media_asset_id":"med_95289_f20119687f337fb8","agenda_item_id":null,"speaker_id":"off_brian_e_lewis","speaker_confidence":0.95,"start_sec":6623.15,"end_sec":6628.8,"text":"And and then I see you want to fix a road that doesn't need fixing. I I'm confused. 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So, just, you know, think about that for just a minute.","topics_json":"[]","vector_id":"vec_seg_95289_53","created_at":"2026-10-31T07:37:16Z","speaker_name":null},{"id":"seg_95289_530","meeting_id":"95289","media_asset_id":"med_95289_f20119687f337fb8","agenda_item_id":null,"speaker_id":"spk_95289_committee_member","speaker_confidence":0.7,"start_sec":6700.53,"end_sec":6706.23,"text":"I've I've seen I I just think that your system needs to be looked at.","topics_json":"[]","vector_id":"vec_seg_95289_530","created_at":"2026-10-31T07:37:17Z","speaker_name":null},{"id":"seg_95289_531","meeting_id":"95289","media_asset_id":"med_95289_f20119687f337fb8","agenda_item_id":null,"speaker_id":"spk_95289_jason_lyon","speaker_confidence":0.95,"start_sec":6706.43,"end_sec":6707.83,"text":"Duly noted.","topics_json":"[]","vector_id":"vec_seg_95289_531","created_at":"2026-10-31T07:37:17Z","speaker_name":"Jason Lyon"},{"id":"seg_95289_532","meeting_id":"95289","media_asset_id":"med_95289_f20119687f337fb8","agenda_item_id":null,"speaker_id":"spk_95289_committee_member","speaker_confidence":0.7,"start_sec":6708.23,"end_sec":6711.83,"text":"It It isn't evaluating these streets properly.","topics_json":"[]","vector_id":"vec_seg_95289_532","created_at":"2026-10-31T07:37:17Z","speaker_name":null},{"id":"seg_95289_533","meeting_id":"95289","media_asset_id":"med_95289_f20119687f337fb8","agenda_item_id":null,"speaker_id":"spk_95289_committee_member","speaker_confidence":0.7,"start_sec":6712.53,"end_sec":6716.03,"text":"And you don't You don't have You're an engineer, graduate engineer, right?","topics_json":"[]","vector_id":"vec_seg_95289_533","created_at":"2026-10-31T07:37:17Z","speaker_name":null},{"id":"seg_95289_534","meeting_id":"95289","media_asset_id":"med_95289_f20119687f337fb8","agenda_item_id":null,"speaker_id":"spk_95289_jason_lyon","speaker_confidence":0.95,"start_sec":6716.03,"end_sec":6717.13,"text":"I did.","topics_json":"[]","vector_id":"vec_seg_95289_534","created_at":"2026-10-31T07:37:17Z","speaker_name":"Jason Lyon"},{"id":"seg_95289_535","meeting_id":"95289","media_asset_id":"med_95289_f20119687f337fb8","agenda_item_id":null,"speaker_id":"spk_95289_committee_member","speaker_confidence":0.7,"start_sec":6717.43,"end_sec":6735.03,"text":"Well, you don't You don't need to be, you know, an engineer to go to these streets and look at them, and see seams that are this far apart, and you look down and you can see a roadbed, and and then say something else is more priority.","topics_json":"[]","vector_id":"vec_seg_95289_535","created_at":"2026-10-31T07:37:17Z","speaker_name":null},{"id":"seg_95289_536","meeting_id":"95289","media_asset_id":"med_95289_f20119687f337fb8","agenda_item_id":null,"speaker_id":"spk_95289_committee_member","speaker_confidence":0.7,"start_sec":6735.33,"end_sec":6739.33,"text":"There's something critically wrong with your system.","topics_json":"[]","vector_id":"vec_seg_95289_536","created_at":"2026-10-31T07:37:17Z","speaker_name":null},{"id":"seg_95289_537","meeting_id":"95289","media_asset_id":"med_95289_f20119687f337fb8","agenda_item_id":null,"speaker_id":"spk_95289_committee_member","speaker_confidence":0.7,"start_sec":6740.03,"end_sec":6793.23,"text":"And I don't understand why we need to spend millions of dollars to fix something that isn't broken when there's things that are broke seriously broken that need to be fixed.","topics_json":"[\"budget\"]","vector_id":"vec_seg_95289_537","created_at":"2026-10-31T07:37:17Z","speaker_name":null},{"id":"seg_95289_538","meeting_id":"95289","media_asset_id":"med_95289_f20119687f337fb8","agenda_item_id":null,"speaker_id":"spk_95289_jason_lyon","speaker_confidence":0.95,"start_sec":6794.43,"end_sec":6796.43,"text":"Okay. 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Any other comments or questions? Questions? All right. Uh is uh members of the committee? Any members of the public have a question or comment?","topics_json":"[]","vector_id":"vec_seg_95289_540","created_at":"2026-10-31T07:37:17Z","speaker_name":null},{"id":"seg_95289_541","meeting_id":"95289","media_asset_id":"med_95289_f20119687f337fb8","agenda_item_id":null,"speaker_id":"spk_95289_bobby_wilson","speaker_confidence":0.95,"start_sec":6824.63,"end_sec":6826.73,"text":"Yes. 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Okay, with this committee, can you look into the aspirational goals?","topics_json":"[\"business\"]","vector_id":"vec_seg_95289_543","created_at":"2026-10-31T07:37:17Z","speaker_name":"Bobby Wilson"},{"id":"seg_95289_544","meeting_id":"95289","media_asset_id":"med_95289_f20119687f337fb8","agenda_item_id":null,"speaker_id":"spk_95289_bobby_wilson","speaker_confidence":0.95,"start_sec":6841.53,"end_sec":6856.23,"text":"Now Mr. Jason Lyon would tell you himself, if there was government money, state I mean federal government money in these projects, what would the project look like? 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And there you have it.","topics_json":"[\"business\"]","vector_id":"vec_seg_95289_545","created_at":"2026-10-31T07:37:17Z","speaker_name":"Bobby Wilson"},{"id":"seg_95289_546","meeting_id":"95289","media_asset_id":"med_95289_f20119687f337fb8","agenda_item_id":null,"speaker_id":"spk_95289_bobby_wilson","speaker_confidence":0.95,"start_sec":6870.63,"end_sec":6880.03,"text":"And Mr. Lyon would tell you Mr. Lyon, when there's government federal government money involved, isn't there aspirational goals?","topics_json":"[\"budget\",\"business\"]","vector_id":"vec_seg_95289_546","created_at":"2026-10-31T07:37:17Z","speaker_name":"Bobby Wilson"},{"id":"seg_95289_547","meeting_id":"95289","media_asset_id":"med_95289_f20119687f337fb8","agenda_item_id":null,"speaker_id":"spk_95289_committee_chair","speaker_confidence":0.75,"start_sec":6843.63,"end_sec":6845.63,"text":"You yield into Mr. Lyon, is that correct?","topics_json":"[]","vector_id":"vec_seg_95289_547","created_at":"2026-10-31T07:37:17Z","speaker_name":null},{"id":"seg_95289_548","meeting_id":"95289","media_asset_id":"med_95289_f20119687f337fb8","agenda_item_id":null,"speaker_id":"spk_95289_bobby_wilson","speaker_confidence":0.95,"start_sec":6845.63,"end_sec":6846.43,"text":"Yes, sir.","topics_json":"[]","vector_id":"vec_seg_95289_548","created_at":"2026-10-31T07:37:17Z","speaker_name":"Bobby Wilson"},{"id":"seg_95289_549","meeting_id":"95289","media_asset_id":"med_95289_f20119687f337fb8","agenda_item_id":null,"speaker_id":"spk_95289_committee_chair","speaker_confidence":0.75,"start_sec":6846.43,"end_sec":6847.33,"text":"Okay.","topics_json":"[]","vector_id":"vec_seg_95289_549","created_at":"2026-10-31T07:37:17Z","speaker_name":null},{"id":"seg_95289_55","meeting_id":"95289","media_asset_id":"med_95289_f20119687f337fb8","agenda_item_id":null,"speaker_id":"spk_95289_staff_presenter","speaker_confidence":0.9,"start_sec":998.17,"end_sec":1011.11,"text":"I just, for those of you who may not know, you have a comprehensive plan. It was adopted in January of 2020, and your comprehensive plan, Chapter 9, is the transportation chapter.","topics_json":"[\"zoning\"]","vector_id":"vec_seg_95289_55","created_at":"2026-10-31T07:37:16Z","speaker_name":null},{"id":"seg_95289_550","meeting_id":"95289","media_asset_id":"med_95289_f20119687f337fb8","agenda_item_id":null,"speaker_id":"spk_95289_jason_lyon","speaker_confidence":0.95,"start_sec":6847.33,"end_sec":6860.33,"text":"For the record, Jason Lyon. Certain certain projects that receive federal funding do require a percentage based of the project be solicited to MBE/WBE/DBE contractors. Thank you.","topics_json":"[\"budget\",\"business\"]","vector_id":"vec_seg_95289_550","created_at":"2026-10-31T07:37:17Z","speaker_name":"Jason Lyon"},{"id":"seg_95289_551","meeting_id":"95289","media_asset_id":"med_95289_f20119687f337fb8","agenda_item_id":null,"speaker_id":"spk_95289_bobby_wilson","speaker_confidence":0.95,"start_sec":6863.93,"end_sec":6866.33,"text":"What type of contractors did you say?","topics_json":"[\"business\"]","vector_id":"vec_seg_95289_551","created_at":"2026-10-31T07:37:17Z","speaker_name":"Bobby Wilson"},{"id":"seg_95289_552","meeting_id":"95289","media_asset_id":"med_95289_f20119687f337fb8","agenda_item_id":null,"speaker_id":"spk_95289_jason_lyon","speaker_confidence":0.95,"start_sec":6868.83,"end_sec":6877.13,"text":"I I'm sorry. I used an abbreviation. Minority Business Enterprise, Disadvantaged Business Enterprise, and Women Business Enterprise.","topics_json":"[\"business\"]","vector_id":"vec_seg_95289_552","created_at":"2026-10-31T07:37:17Z","speaker_name":"Jason Lyon"},{"id":"seg_95289_553","meeting_id":"95289","media_asset_id":"med_95289_f20119687f337fb8","agenda_item_id":null,"speaker_id":"spk_95289_bobby_wilson","speaker_confidence":0.95,"start_sec":6878.83,"end_sec":6881.23,"text":"We want We want to respect that.","topics_json":"[\"business\"]","vector_id":"vec_seg_95289_553","created_at":"2026-10-31T07:37:17Z","speaker_name":"Bobby Wilson"},{"id":"seg_95289_554","meeting_id":"95289","media_asset_id":"med_95289_f20119687f337fb8","agenda_item_id":null,"speaker_id":"spk_95289_public_commenter","speaker_confidence":0.85,"start_sec":6881.24,"end_sec":6892.73,"text":"And I want to say, that's the goals that we should set, the same goals as DelDOT on these projects. You would not have to reinvent the wheel. It's been approved, it's been working, and let's continue to follow that type of pattern, and then we'd be good. Thank you.","topics_json":"[\"business\"]","vector_id":"vec_seg_95289_554","created_at":"2026-10-31T07:37:17Z","speaker_name":null},{"id":"seg_95289_555","meeting_id":"95289","media_asset_id":"med_95289_f20119687f337fb8","agenda_item_id":null,"speaker_id":"off_roy_sudler_jr","speaker_confidence":0.95,"start_sec":6892.73,"end_sec":6898.94,"text":"Thank you. Is any other—is there a motion on the floor?","topics_json":"[]","vector_id":"vec_seg_95289_555","created_at":"2026-10-31T07:37:17Z","speaker_name":"Roy Sudler, Jr."},{"id":"seg_95289_556","meeting_id":"95289","media_asset_id":"med_95289_f20119687f337fb8","agenda_item_id":null,"speaker_id":"off_roy_sudler_jr","speaker_confidence":0.95,"start_sec":6901.11,"end_sec":6906.39,"text":"Um, can we, uh, get a microphone over to Ms. Paul for the recording?","topics_json":"[]","vector_id":"vec_seg_95289_556","created_at":"2026-10-31T07:37:17Z","speaker_name":"Roy Sudler, Jr."},{"id":"seg_95289_557","meeting_id":"95289","media_asset_id":"med_95289_f20119687f337fb8","agenda_item_id":null,"speaker_id":"spk_95289_city_staff","speaker_confidence":0.8,"start_sec":6907.01,"end_sec":6909.19,"text":"I can't pick it up for the recording.","topics_json":"[]","vector_id":"vec_seg_95289_557","created_at":"2026-10-31T07:37:17Z","speaker_name":null},{"id":"seg_95289_558","meeting_id":"95289","media_asset_id":"med_95289_f20119687f337fb8","agenda_item_id":null,"speaker_id":"off_roy_sudler_jr","speaker_confidence":0.95,"start_sec":6910.12,"end_sec":6914.03,"text":"Oh, she's coming up. She's—thank you. Yes.","topics_json":"[]","vector_id":"vec_seg_95289_558","created_at":"2026-10-31T07:37:17Z","speaker_name":"Roy Sudler, Jr."},{"id":"seg_95289_559","meeting_id":"95289","media_asset_id":"med_95289_f20119687f337fb8","agenda_item_id":null,"speaker_id":"spk_95289_ms_paul","speaker_confidence":0.9,"start_sec":6914.15,"end_sec":6970.35,"text":"Okay, I just have one question. I know in 2021, and maybe I'm confused, if y'all can enlighten me. I know in 2021 Ralph Taylor, who used to sit there, he stated at one time that the, all these, the city projects were supposed to be put under a bid and minority contractors were supposed to have the opportunity to bid on these, these actual projects. Now, I do understand that with regards to some of these projects, and I just want to go through because I understand the process. With some of the projects, there were, when they did put the bid process out, there were no bids. So is this something that is—was this something that was just a trial basis or was it something that was actually a policy that the city actually started to","topics_json":"[\"business\"]","vector_id":"vec_seg_95289_559","created_at":"2026-10-31T07:37:17Z","speaker_name":"Ms. Paul"},{"id":"seg_95289_56","meeting_id":"95289","media_asset_id":"med_95289_f20119687f337fb8","agenda_item_id":null,"speaker_id":"spk_95289_staff_presenter","speaker_confidence":0.9,"start_sec":1011.31,"end_sec":1027.83,"text":"The Dover, uh, chapter, uh, transportation is really great. I mean, you know, every every municipality has a transportation plan, or has a comprehensive plan, and some of them, their transportation plan is a page or two. The Dover the Dover chapter, transportation, is really good.","topics_json":"[\"zoning\"]","vector_id":"vec_seg_95289_56","created_at":"2026-10-31T07:37:16Z","speaker_name":null},{"id":"seg_95289_560","meeting_id":"95289","media_asset_id":"med_95289_f20119687f337fb8","agenda_item_id":null,"speaker_id":"spk_95289_ms_paul","speaker_confidence":0.9,"start_sec":6971.78,"end_sec":7019.72,"text":"follow? Is it something that was put in place as a, as a rule? Because if it's not a policy, then y'all, it has to be made a policy. We're not just talking about coming together to meet with it to say, \"Yeah, let's have a,\" you know, \"we're going to do it.\" We need to actually put it in, in writing and where it's actually a policy and procedure so we don't have to keep going through the same thing over and over again. Because I mean we've been going back and forth hearing this for like since 2021. You guys said that it was supposed to be done. And if it's not done, I mean I'm confused, I thought it was already a policy.","topics_json":"[\"business\"]","vector_id":"vec_seg_95289_560","created_at":"2026-10-31T07:37:17Z","speaker_name":"Ms. Paul"},{"id":"seg_95289_561","meeting_id":"95289","media_asset_id":"med_95289_f20119687f337fb8","agenda_item_id":null,"speaker_id":"off_roy_sudler_jr","speaker_confidence":0.95,"start_sec":7020.03,"end_sec":7034.32,"text":"Thank you. There, there is, um, the city does, uh, in fact solicit from the, basically the State of Delaware supplier diversity list, and to make sure that minority contractors, uh, do have a role. That's, uh, do you have anything to add, Mr. Lyon?","topics_json":"[\"business\"]","vector_id":"vec_seg_95289_561","created_at":"2026-10-31T07:37:17Z","speaker_name":"Roy Sudler, Jr."},{"id":"seg_95289_562","meeting_id":"95289","media_asset_id":"med_95289_f20119687f337fb8","agenda_item_id":null,"speaker_id":"spk_95289_jason_lyon","speaker_confidence":0.95,"start_sec":7035.56,"end_sec":7071.27,"text":"Uh, Jason Lyon. Uh, the only thing I would add is that the only policy that I'm aware of right now would be the fact that minorities, uh, disadvantaged, and women-owned businesses receive a 3% evaluation reduction, very similar to what we've talked about with local vendor preference.","topics_json":"[\"business\"]","vector_id":"vec_seg_95289_562","created_at":"2026-10-31T07:37:17Z","speaker_name":"Jason Lyon"},{"id":"seg_95289_563","meeting_id":"95289","media_asset_id":"med_95289_f20119687f337fb8","agenda_item_id":null,"speaker_id":"off_roy_sudler_jr","speaker_confidence":0.95,"start_sec":7071.76,"end_sec":7073.75,"text":"And if they're both, it's 4.5%, is that correct?","topics_json":"[\"business\"]","vector_id":"vec_seg_95289_563","created_at":"2026-10-31T07:37:17Z","speaker_name":"Roy Sudler, Jr."},{"id":"seg_95289_564","meeting_id":"95289","media_asset_id":"med_95289_f20119687f337fb8","agenda_item_id":null,"speaker_id":"spk_95289_jason_lyon","speaker_confidence":0.95,"start_sec":7073.75,"end_sec":7074.37,"text":"3%.","topics_json":"[\"business\"]","vector_id":"vec_seg_95289_564","created_at":"2026-10-31T07:37:17Z","speaker_name":"Jason Lyon"},{"id":"seg_95289_565","meeting_id":"95289","media_asset_id":"med_95289_f20119687f337fb8","agenda_item_id":null,"speaker_id":"off_roy_sudler_jr","speaker_confidence":0.95,"start_sec":7074.37,"end_sec":7075.3,"text":"Still just 3%?","topics_json":"[\"business\"]","vector_id":"vec_seg_95289_565","created_at":"2026-10-31T07:37:17Z","speaker_name":"Roy Sudler, Jr."},{"id":"seg_95289_566","meeting_id":"95289","media_asset_id":"med_95289_f20119687f337fb8","agenda_item_id":null,"speaker_id":"spk_95289_jason_lyon","speaker_confidence":0.95,"start_sec":7075.3,"end_sec":7075.92,"text":"Yes, sir.","topics_json":"[\"business\"]","vector_id":"vec_seg_95289_566","created_at":"2026-10-31T07:37:17Z","speaker_name":"Jason Lyon"},{"id":"seg_95289_567","meeting_id":"95289","media_asset_id":"med_95289_f20119687f337fb8","agenda_item_id":null,"speaker_id":"off_roy_sudler_jr","speaker_confidence":0.95,"start_sec":7075.92,"end_sec":7077.85,"text":"So if you're a local minority...","topics_json":"[\"business\"]","vector_id":"vec_seg_95289_567","created_at":"2026-10-31T07:37:17Z","speaker_name":"Roy Sudler, Jr."},{"id":"seg_95289_568","meeting_id":"95289","media_asset_id":"med_95289_f20119687f337fb8","agenda_item_id":null,"speaker_id":"off_roy_sudler_jr","speaker_confidence":0.95,"start_sec":7077.84,"end_sec":7082.08,"text":"You don't get any benefit, basically, if there's another local business. 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Just to clarify, that that would not precede or would not affect the decision that we just made. This was This would be moving forward evaluate the process in the software.","topics_json":"[]","vector_id":"vec_seg_95289_594","created_at":"2026-10-31T07:37:17Z","speaker_name":"Tricia K. Arndt"},{"id":"seg_95289_595","meeting_id":"95289","media_asset_id":"med_95289_f20119687f337fb8","agenda_item_id":null,"speaker_id":"off_gerald_l_rocha_sr","speaker_confidence":0.9,"start_sec":7311.05,"end_sec":7312.25,"text":"That is correct.","topics_json":"[]","vector_id":"vec_seg_95289_595","created_at":"2026-10-31T07:37:17Z","speaker_name":"Gerald L. Rocha, Sr."},{"id":"seg_95289_596","meeting_id":"95289","media_asset_id":"med_95289_f20119687f337fb8","agenda_item_id":null,"speaker_id":"off_tricia_k_arndt","speaker_confidence":0.95,"start_sec":7312.25,"end_sec":7313.35,"text":"Thank you. 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Um, if we were to consider that, we would also need to look back at the other network administrator, who's a recent employee, uh, who was hired under the current, uh, salary scale. In the current salary scale for, um, the, um, Senior LAN Analyst has a range from 70.6 to a little over 100, uh, at max. Um, the request is is within that range, but at the higher end. Um,","topics_json":"[\"budget\"]","vector_id":"vec_seg_95289_602","created_at":"2026-10-31T07:37:17Z","speaker_name":"Dave Hugg"},{"id":"seg_95289_603","meeting_id":"95289","media_asset_id":"med_95289_f20119687f337fb8","agenda_item_id":null,"speaker_id":"spk_95289_dave_hugg","speaker_confidence":0.9,"start_sec":7510.56,"end_sec":7548.26,"text":"Chief has provided to to us to the HR department job descriptions for similar positions in Milford, uh, and an assistant manager position in Newark, both of which are substantially higher compensated than, uh, our current level of compensation. Uh, and the Chief has has indicated that, uh, he supports additional compensation for this position, uh, and a reclassification, in part because it's very difficult, uh, to get to find people, uh, in some of these technical areas.","topics_json":"[\"budget\",\"public_safety\"]","vector_id":"vec_seg_95289_603","created_at":"2026-10-31T07:37:17Z","speaker_name":"Dave Hugg"},{"id":"seg_95289_604","meeting_id":"95289","media_asset_id":"med_95289_f20119687f337fb8","agenda_item_id":null,"speaker_id":"spk_95289_dave_hugg","speaker_confidence":0.9,"start_sec":7548.36,"end_sec":7576.76,"text":"He's concerned that he would lose his resource, uh, if we don't make some kind of concession, um, and that, um, uh, should that happen, the Police Department IT department would be decimated. There would be no one, no one present to perform any services for the Police Department and its IT operations. I think you can imagine how how, uh, much of an impact that that would be.","topics_json":"[\"public_safety\",\"budget\"]","vector_id":"vec_seg_95289_604","created_at":"2026-10-31T07:37:17Z","speaker_name":"Dave Hugg"},{"id":"seg_95289_605","meeting_id":"95289","media_asset_id":"med_95289_f20119687f337fb8","agenda_item_id":null,"speaker_id":"spk_95289_dave_hugg","speaker_confidence":0.9,"start_sec":7577.16,"end_sec":7605.46,"text":"Um, the HR department, and then Naomi can speak more to this in a few minutes, the HR department has objected to the increase, in part because, um, they are concerned that we're continually singling out individuals for selective raises rather than taking a compre a more comprehensive look, um, and that, um, we set a a dangerous precedent when we make decisions based on the potential of somebody leaving or their threat to leave.","topics_json":"[\"budget\"]","vector_id":"vec_seg_95289_605","created_at":"2026-10-31T07:37:17Z","speaker_name":"Dave Hugg"},{"id":"seg_95289_606","meeting_id":"95289","media_asset_id":"med_95289_f20119687f337fb8","agenda_item_id":null,"speaker_id":"spk_95289_dave_hugg","speaker_confidence":0.9,"start_sec":7605.96,"end_sec":7641.86,"text":"Um, I want to make a couple of comments kind of from our perspective. We did a market study, as you know, back in 2023. Uh, Council supported us in raising a lot of our position salaries and job titles and what have you, uh, but I would I would say to you even in 2 years, 2025, 2026, in many areas is a new environment. It's a new a new market. Um, there there are jobs that are very hard to fill in engineering, in technology, skilled trades, planning, etc. Uh, and our our existing scales, uh,","topics_json":"[\"budget\"]","vector_id":"vec_seg_95289_606","created_at":"2026-10-31T07:37:17Z","speaker_name":"Dave Hugg"},{"id":"seg_95289_607","meeting_id":"95289","media_asset_id":"med_95289_f20119687f337fb8","agenda_item_id":null,"speaker_id":"spk_95289_dave_hugg","speaker_confidence":0.9,"start_sec":7643.96,"end_sec":7667.66,"text":"in some respects, don't provide sufficient funding, sufficient incentive for someone to apply, uh, for an in-house promotion or in-house reclassification. We have a 5% rule that that limits the amount of additional compensation a person can get to either 5% or the lowest, the starting grade of the of the new position. Uh, in many cases, that's not sufficient for, uh,","topics_json":"[\"budget\"]","vector_id":"vec_seg_95289_607","created_at":"2026-10-31T07:37:17Z","speaker_name":"Dave Hugg"},{"id":"seg_95289_608","meeting_id":"95289","media_asset_id":"med_95289_f20119687f337fb8","agenda_item_id":null,"speaker_id":"spk_95289_dave_hugg","speaker_confidence":1,"start_sec":7667.66,"end_sec":7820.96,"text":"someone with strong technical skills who who may be at risk of leaving. Um, the reason this is coming to council is for two reasons. One, council needs to this is a but a chee- a significant budget adjustment if we were to make it to honor this individual's request, uh and the change at the title also requires uh council approval. Um, what I'd and just a couple of points that that for your thinking, are we indicated many high-skill jobs are hard to fill. Uh our wage study may be outdated in some areas. There are a number of units in this in the city government that are relatively small, two or three people, where, you know, the the loss of a key employee can can raise major havoc on on on their operations. Uh in the key In this particular case, it would be nobody left in the IT department if the incumbent were to leave. Um, obviously incumbents have a corporate history. This individual has been a city employee for eight years, knows the operations of the police department, uh can step into that job with very little learning curve uh that somebody else might not be able to bring. The converse is anytime we we look at somebody's compensation, there are budgetary and benefit implications, and money's got to come from someplace, uh and that becomes a sort of a trade-off, if you will, that some area other areas of spending may have to get reduced in order to make this work. Um, there's a whole host of other issues, you know, affecting staff morale, affecting employee perception of favoritism, what have you. But the message before you tonight is that uh we have a significant issue in the police department. We have an incumbent who would like to stay in the police department uh who has asked for compensation at a considerably higher level than this position would otherwise provide, um who has eight years of experience, and um whose loss would be a significant impact on the department, also recognizing that HR has some very legitimate concerns uh about the implications of these kind of one-off decisions. So with that, I'd like to let you call in whatever order you want Naomi, the Chief, and Joe Simmons um because all of them have information relating to this action.","topics_json":"[\"budget\",\"public_safety\"]","vector_id":"vec_seg_95289_608","created_at":"2026-10-31T07:37:17Z","speaker_name":"Dave Hugg"},{"id":"seg_95289_609","meeting_id":"95289","media_asset_id":"med_95289_f20119687f337fb8","agenda_item_id":null,"speaker_id":"off_david_l_anderson","speaker_confidence":1,"start_sec":7821.66,"end_sec":7831.66,"text":"All right. Any questions for Mr. Hugg? Then, uh, which one of you wants to, uh Uh-oh, Dr. Sudler.","topics_json":"[]","vector_id":"vec_seg_95289_609","created_at":"2026-10-31T07:37:17Z","speaker_name":"David L. 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Um, was the criteria made available, um, amongst the employees of the City of Dover overall or just in the department of of of the police department?","topics_json":"[\"public_safety\"]","vector_id":"vec_seg_95289_610","created_at":"2026-10-31T07:37:17Z","speaker_name":"Roy Sudler, Jr."},{"id":"seg_95289_611","meeting_id":"95289","media_asset_id":"med_95289_f20119687f337fb8","agenda_item_id":null,"speaker_id":"spk_95289_dave_hugg","speaker_confidence":1,"start_sec":7856.16,"end_sec":7861.16,"text":"Naomi can correct me if I'm wrong, it's an in-house posting citywide.","topics_json":"[]","vector_id":"vec_seg_95289_611","created_at":"2026-10-31T07:37:17Z","speaker_name":"Dave Hugg"},{"id":"seg_95289_612","meeting_id":"95289","media_asset_id":"med_95289_f20119687f337fb8","agenda_item_id":null,"speaker_id":"off_roy_sudler_jr","speaker_confidence":1,"start_sec":7861.66,"end_sec":7864.26,"text":"Okay, so in other words transparency across—","topics_json":"[]","vector_id":"vec_seg_95289_612","created_at":"2026-10-31T07:37:17Z","speaker_name":"Roy Sudler, Jr."},{"id":"seg_95289_613","meeting_id":"95289","media_asset_id":"med_95289_f20119687f337fb8","agenda_item_id":null,"speaker_id":"off_roy_sudler_jr","speaker_confidence":0.95,"start_sec":7864.27,"end_sec":7866.07,"text":"the board was, everyone had opportunity to apply.","topics_json":"[]","vector_id":"vec_seg_95289_613","created_at":"2026-10-31T07:37:17Z","speaker_name":"Roy Sudler, Jr."},{"id":"seg_95289_614","meeting_id":"95289","media_asset_id":"med_95289_f20119687f337fb8","agenda_item_id":null,"speaker_id":"spk_95289_dave_hugg","speaker_confidence":0.95,"start_sec":7866.07,"end_sec":7869.11,"text":"Everyone who could have who would, yeah, who presumably was qualified could have applied.","topics_json":"[]","vector_id":"vec_seg_95289_614","created_at":"2026-10-31T07:37:17Z","speaker_name":"Dave Hugg"},{"id":"seg_95289_615","meeting_id":"95289","media_asset_id":"med_95289_f20119687f337fb8","agenda_item_id":null,"speaker_id":"off_roy_sudler_jr","speaker_confidence":0.95,"start_sec":7869.11,"end_sec":7869.86,"text":"Okay.","topics_json":"[]","vector_id":"vec_seg_95289_615","created_at":"2026-10-31T07:37:17Z","speaker_name":"Roy Sudler, Jr."},{"id":"seg_95289_616","meeting_id":"95289","media_asset_id":"med_95289_f20119687f337fb8","agenda_item_id":null,"speaker_id":"spk_95289_dave_hugg","speaker_confidence":0.95,"start_sec":7869.86,"end_sec":7874.52,"text":"But they but they if they were a City of Dover employee. It's an in-house in-house first. It was not posted outside the city.","topics_json":"[]","vector_id":"vec_seg_95289_616","created_at":"2026-10-31T07:37:17Z","speaker_name":"Dave Hugg"},{"id":"seg_95289_617","meeting_id":"95289","media_asset_id":"med_95289_f20119687f337fb8","agenda_item_id":null,"speaker_id":"off_roy_sudler_jr","speaker_confidence":0.95,"start_sec":7874.52,"end_sec":7875.14,"text":"Right.","topics_json":"[]","vector_id":"vec_seg_95289_617","created_at":"2026-10-31T07:37:17Z","speaker_name":"Roy Sudler, Jr."},{"id":"seg_95289_618","meeting_id":"95289","media_asset_id":"med_95289_f20119687f337fb8","agenda_item_id":null,"speaker_id":"off_roy_sudler_jr","speaker_confidence":0.95,"start_sec":7875.14,"end_sec":7935.5,"text":"Um, my question also my question to you, um, do you foresee any um, can you see where this could be perceived as, um, being perceived as being a little bias? Um, I we're talking about a $25,000 to a $30,000 pay increase, um, for one person. And and I'm wondering if any of our IT, um, individuals that we have working like Mr. Simmons, uh, if there's anyone underneath his, um, leadership or department that could help fill in and until we found someone with a little less than than a $25 to $30,000 pay increase. Because my concern, my concern is that","topics_json":"[\"budget\"]","vector_id":"vec_seg_95289_618","created_at":"2026-10-31T07:37:17Z","speaker_name":"Roy Sudler, Jr."},{"id":"seg_95289_619","meeting_id":"95289","media_asset_id":"med_95289_f20119687f337fb8","agenda_item_id":null,"speaker_id":"off_roy_sudler_jr","speaker_confidence":0.95,"start_sec":7935.5,"end_sec":7960.28,"text":"we have raised, you know, we have hiked the electric bills, and we've done a lot of hiking of things. 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So you've got a lot of really great pieces.","topics_json":"[\"zoning\"]","vector_id":"vec_seg_95289_62","created_at":"2026-10-31T07:37:16Z","speaker_name":null},{"id":"seg_95289_620","meeting_id":"95289","media_asset_id":"med_95289_f20119687f337fb8","agenda_item_id":null,"speaker_id":"spk_95289_dave_hugg","speaker_confidence":0.95,"start_sec":7960.28,"end_sec":8008.78,"text":"Yeah, I I think some some of these questions can be addressed by, you know, by by the other individuals. Um, to answer parts of your question, it's at least my position that should we go forward with this for this particular position, the other network administrator uh in in that works for the city should be treated equally. Not necessarily the same amounts of money, but you know, if we're going to upgrade and reclassify, then that person who has the title at the moment, um, should not be disadvantaged, if you will, or or unfairly uh treated. That's kind of one.","topics_json":"[\"budget\"]","vector_id":"vec_seg_95289_620","created_at":"2026-10-31T07:37:17Z","speaker_name":"Dave Hugg"},{"id":"seg_95289_621","meeting_id":"95289","media_asset_id":"med_95289_f20119687f337fb8","agenda_item_id":null,"speaker_id":"spk_95289_dave_hugg","speaker_confidence":0.95,"start_sec":8008.78,"end_sec":8059.58,"text":"Um, you know, clearly the money has to come from somewhere. Uh there are salary savings in the police department as a result of vacancies. Uh it would be my position that, you know, their budget has to eat the difference. Um they're not going to come we're not going to amend the city's budget and take money from someplace else. Um so that would and that obviously has implications for next year's budget. It has implications for whether the chief can staff some of the positions that would then otherwise not be funded. Those are management decisions that he that he necessarily has to make. Um I'm trying to think of what some of your other points were, I'm sorry. I forgot.","topics_json":"[\"budget\",\"public_safety\"]","vector_id":"vec_seg_95289_621","created_at":"2026-10-31T07:37:17Z","speaker_name":"Dave Hugg"},{"id":"seg_95289_622","meeting_id":"95289","media_asset_id":"med_95289_f20119687f337fb8","agenda_item_id":null,"speaker_id":"off_roy_sudler_jr","speaker_confidence":0.95,"start_sec":8059.58,"end_sec":8060.88,"text":"I'll just save them for now, but thank you for...","topics_json":"[]","vector_id":"vec_seg_95289_622","created_at":"2026-10-31T07:37:17Z","speaker_name":"Roy Sudler, Jr."},{"id":"seg_95289_623","meeting_id":"95289","media_asset_id":"med_95289_f20119687f337fb8","agenda_item_id":null,"speaker_id":"spk_95289_unknown_speaker","speaker_confidence":0.7,"start_sec":8060.88,"end_sec":8062.59,"text":"Okay. I'll defer answering my questions. How are you?","topics_json":"[]","vector_id":"vec_seg_95289_623","created_at":"2026-10-31T07:37:17Z","speaker_name":null},{"id":"seg_95289_624","meeting_id":"95289","media_asset_id":"med_95289_f20119687f337fb8","agenda_item_id":null,"speaker_id":"off_roy_sudler_jr","speaker_confidence":0.95,"start_sec":8062.74,"end_sec":8075.36,"text":"Thank you. Uh we're we uh want to hear from our uh employees uh first and then members of the committee get to ask questions, and then we would allow members of the public to uh comment and ask questions. Um uh Mr. Boggerty, Councilman Boggerty.","topics_json":"[]","vector_id":"vec_seg_95289_624","created_at":"2026-10-31T07:37:17Z","speaker_name":"Roy Sudler, Jr."},{"id":"seg_95289_625","meeting_id":"95289","media_asset_id":"med_95289_f20119687f337fb8","agenda_item_id":null,"speaker_id":"off_andre_m_boggerty","speaker_confidence":0.95,"start_sec":8075.55,"end_sec":8092.18,"text":"Thank you. Uh a few questions. I was kind of doing this. I was um doing what doing as Google and um going on Indeed and ZipRecruiter and and various sites to ascertain some information, somewhat reliable, not always completely accurate, but a relatively good source.","topics_json":"[]","vector_id":"vec_seg_95289_625","created_at":"2026-10-31T07:37:17Z","speaker_name":"Andre M. 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Now, I know there is a federal website that you can go on to confirm, and our current salary is somewhere below, but not anywhere, not quite as uh I'm trying to say that right. The the average federal salary falls kind of in the middle of","topics_json":"[\"budget\",\"public_safety\"]","vector_id":"vec_seg_95289_630","created_at":"2026-10-31T07:37:17Z","speaker_name":"Dave Hugg"},{"id":"seg_95289_631","meeting_id":"95289","media_asset_id":"med_95289_f20119687f337fb8","agenda_item_id":null,"speaker_id":"off_andre_m_boggerty","speaker_confidence":0.95,"start_sec":8157.66,"end_sec":8159.28,"text":"It's like 80? Like 80?","topics_json":"[\"budget\"]","vector_id":"vec_seg_95289_631","created_at":"2026-10-31T07:37:17Z","speaker_name":"Andre M. Boggerty"},{"id":"seg_95289_632","meeting_id":"95289","media_asset_id":"med_95289_f20119687f337fb8","agenda_item_id":null,"speaker_id":"spk_95289_dave_hugg","speaker_confidence":0.9,"start_sec":8158.96,"end_sec":8160.73,"text":"80, 81. Somewhere to the 80 to 85.","topics_json":"[\"budget\"]","vector_id":"vec_seg_95289_632","created_at":"2026-10-31T07:37:17Z","speaker_name":"Dave Hugg"},{"id":"seg_95289_633","meeting_id":"95289","media_asset_id":"med_95289_f20119687f337fb8","agenda_item_id":null,"speaker_id":"off_andre_m_boggerty","speaker_confidence":0.95,"start_sec":8160.73,"end_sec":8218.13,"text":"Mhm, right, that's kind I was I was I was getting to that, but you sped up my process. But I don't like to answer individuals' questions, so that's why I asked the questions: what what resources was relied upon, because the median income that I'm seeing specifically for for that, and, you know, I don't I don't want to call it individuals' like entry-level, because they if they have some experience, but was roughly in the $80,000s. Um, so so uh uh uh and then and then again, which now we open a a can of worms, and and I and I you know me, I don't count other people's money, but if it's owed to them, it's owed to them. If the current network individuals looks like they're they're they're under they're they may be underpaid, because they're making 67, where","topics_json":"[\"budget\"]","vector_id":"vec_seg_95289_633","created_at":"2026-10-31T07:37:17Z","speaker_name":"Andre M. Boggerty"},{"id":"seg_95289_634","meeting_id":"95289","media_asset_id":"med_95289_f20119687f337fb8","agenda_item_id":null,"speaker_id":"spk_95289_dave_hugg","speaker_confidence":0.85,"start_sec":8218.13,"end_sec":8218.78,"text":"Correct.","topics_json":"[\"budget\"]","vector_id":"vec_seg_95289_634","created_at":"2026-10-31T07:37:17Z","speaker_name":"Dave Hugg"},{"id":"seg_95289_635","meeting_id":"95289","media_asset_id":"med_95289_f20119687f337fb8","agenda_item_id":null,"speaker_id":"off_andre_m_boggerty","speaker_confidence":0.95,"start_sec":8218.78,"end_sec":8254.16,"text":"whereas that the income seems to be in the 80s. So, could you could you tell me, again, I just want to I don't want to answer other people's, uh especially professionals', questions, cuz my resource and research may differ from theirs.","topics_json":"[\"budget\"]","vector_id":"vec_seg_95289_635","created_at":"2026-10-31T07:37:17Z","speaker_name":"Andre M. Boggerty"},{"id":"seg_95289_636","meeting_id":"95289","media_asset_id":"med_95289_f20119687f337fb8","agenda_item_id":null,"speaker_id":"spk_95289_dave_hugg","speaker_confidence":0.9,"start_sec":8254.16,"end_sec":8257.49,"text":"Right. Um, I'm looking at some of the materials I looked at. The the Milford and and Newark","topics_json":"[\"budget\"]","vector_id":"vec_seg_95289_636","created_at":"2026-10-31T07:37:17Z","speaker_name":"Dave Hugg"},{"id":"seg_95289_637","meeting_id":"95289","media_asset_id":"med_95289_f20119687f337fb8","agenda_item_id":null,"speaker_id":"off_robin_r_christiansen","speaker_confidence":0.95,"start_sec":8257.48,"end_sec":8290.78,"text":"similar positions are are much closer to the high 90s and and above. Um the federal positions that I looked at um fall somewhere in the mid 70s to the mid 90s. And that's kind of a range. Um again, there was no no formal market study done uh at the level we did it back in 2023, but the I know the chief has looked into some of this some of those kinds of things, so I'd rather him answer that question.","topics_json":"[\"budget\",\"public_safety\"]","vector_id":"vec_seg_95289_637","created_at":"2026-10-31T07:37:17Z","speaker_name":"Robin R. Christiansen"},{"id":"seg_95289_638","meeting_id":"95289","media_asset_id":"med_95289_f20119687f337fb8","agenda_item_id":null,"speaker_id":"off_andre_m_boggerty","speaker_confidence":0.95,"start_sec":8290.78,"end_sec":8438.58,"text":"Because um my my my my chief concern, and no not no pun intended, my chief concern is now we have individuals, we have two individuals who are significantly impacted. Again, if you know me, I don't have an issue with individuals making what they earn and making what they earn as it relates to the their uh skill set, um, but I I I must say um to the chief and others as well, and again I value when I see individuals within our city working and if they're I I wave at individuals picking up the leaves, I speak to everybody, but we cannot constantly be under the threat that they're going to leave. I I value, and I pray that that our our city our city employees stay. I I um from the individual who picks up the who who are environmental service individuals all the way up to the highest ranks, I value that I value each of you, and I get it. Trust me, I work nine to five on the clock, but I work probably eight to seven throughout the day in in my role. But we can't If if every If every move we make is going to be under a threat that we're going to leave, then the whole city's going to use that. And, you know what I mean? That that's going to be an ongoing uh um position. And unfortunately, we can't afford to live under that threat. That does not mean I don't value the individuals that hold positions. I'm sorry for bantering. I just want to make sure and make it clear. So so my my position is my position is what's realistic? Um if it were me, I would ask I would ask that there go back and be another consensus to come up with with with with with reasoning and also to base it just more, you know, God bless Newark, God bless Milford, maybe they've got money that we don't have, but to go back and and re-evaluate what's realistic. I wish I can get a 30% raise. I Pay me, right? And I, again, if it was in the scope of career and if it's deserved, so be it. But um I I I'm just not I just consciously can't can't do it this way unless it's more justification. Tell you.","topics_json":"[\"budget\",\"public_safety\"]","vector_id":"vec_seg_95289_638","created_at":"2026-10-31T07:37:17Z","speaker_name":"Andre M. Boggerty"},{"id":"seg_95289_639","meeting_id":"95289","media_asset_id":"med_95289_f20119687f337fb8","agenda_item_id":null,"speaker_id":"off_robin_r_christiansen","speaker_confidence":0.95,"start_sec":8438.58,"end_sec":8454.08,"text":"Now, in that regard, I If you will, I'd like to ask the chief to come forward, or you can decide which one of them, but you know at least he can answer the question about the research he did and and uh relative value of this of this position to the police department.","topics_json":"[\"budget\",\"public_safety\"]","vector_id":"vec_seg_95289_639","created_at":"2026-10-31T07:37:17Z","speaker_name":"Robin R. Christiansen"},{"id":"seg_95289_64","meeting_id":"95289","media_asset_id":"med_95289_f20119687f337fb8","agenda_item_id":null,"speaker_id":"spk_95289_staff_presenter","speaker_confidence":0.9,"start_sec":1115.35,"end_sec":1128.83,"text":"The other thing I will say about traffic, um, it's not just about traffic. And and if I could - so imagine if I were to ask everybody in the room here, \"How did you get here?\"","topics_json":"[]","vector_id":"vec_seg_95289_64","created_at":"2026-10-31T07:37:16Z","speaker_name":null},{"id":"seg_95289_640","meeting_id":"95289","media_asset_id":"med_95289_f20119687f337fb8","agenda_item_id":null,"speaker_id":"off_david_l_anderson","speaker_confidence":0.95,"start_sec":8454.09,"end_sec":8466.74,"text":"If that's okay. Chief, if you could come forward, please, to answer that question. We'll let you make your presentation in a minute. And then I do know that Council President Neil and Councilwoman Dr. Pillsbury also have questions. Chief, please.","topics_json":"[]","vector_id":"vec_seg_95289_640","created_at":"2026-10-31T07:37:17Z","speaker_name":"David L. Anderson"},{"id":"seg_95289_641","meeting_id":"95289","media_asset_id":"med_95289_f20119687f337fb8","agenda_item_id":null,"speaker_id":"spk_95289_thomas_johnson","speaker_confidence":0.95,"start_sec":8466.74,"end_sec":8474.35,"text":"Certainly. For the record, Tom Johnson, Chief of Police. Mr. Anderson, if you would do me the courtesy, just what question am I answering? Because there was a lot of different things that were talked about.","topics_json":"[\"public_safety\"]","vector_id":"vec_seg_95289_641","created_at":"2026-10-31T07:37:17Z","speaker_name":"Thomas Johnson"},{"id":"seg_95289_642","meeting_id":"95289","media_asset_id":"med_95289_f20119687f337fb8","agenda_item_id":null,"speaker_id":"off_david_l_anderson","speaker_confidence":0.95,"start_sec":8474.35,"end_sec":8481.53,"text":"The question was dealing with what is it based upon? What do you base the recommendation upon?","topics_json":"[\"budget\"]","vector_id":"vec_seg_95289_642","created_at":"2026-10-31T07:37:17Z","speaker_name":"David L. Anderson"},{"id":"seg_95289_643","meeting_id":"95289","media_asset_id":"med_95289_f20119687f337fb8","agenda_item_id":null,"speaker_id":"spk_95289_thomas_johnson","speaker_confidence":0.95,"start_sec":8481.53,"end_sec":8562.77,"text":"I base the recommendation, at its core, with the comparable positions that are available in the immediate proximity to the city of Dover, Delaware economics, other police departments that utilize IT resources in a tiered system such not unlike our own. We don't have a need for an IT director-level position such as Mr. Simms's. We don't need that in the police department because I have an administrative captain that handles that particular function. I have a middle management role and a frontline technical role that has been traditionally in the organization. So I researched the middle manager role, spoke directly to Chief Ashe in Milford, spoke directly to Chief Farrell in Newark, and with Newark also being our PERB comparable for things related to economics related to similar sized communities, that was one of the places that I knew I was going to reach out to. After looking at job descriptions and getting their scales and getting all their information, it was the most relevant information in geographical proximity to this labor market. That was my methodology.","topics_json":"[\"public_safety\",\"budget\"]","vector_id":"vec_seg_95289_643","created_at":"2026-10-31T07:37:17Z","speaker_name":"Thomas Johnson"},{"id":"seg_95289_644","meeting_id":"95289","media_asset_id":"med_95289_f20119687f337fb8","agenda_item_id":null,"speaker_id":"off_david_l_anderson","speaker_confidence":0.95,"start_sec":8562.77,"end_sec":8597.32,"text":"Thank you. Could you please just give a quick explanation of PERB comparable and why that matters?","topics_json":"[]","vector_id":"vec_seg_95289_644","created_at":"2026-10-31T07:37:17Z","speaker_name":"David L. Anderson"},{"id":"seg_95289_645","meeting_id":"95289","media_asset_id":"med_95289_f20119687f337fb8","agenda_item_id":null,"speaker_id":"spk_95289_thomas_johnson","speaker_confidence":0.95,"start_sec":8597.32,"end_sec":8633.78,"text":"I am not an expert on that topic, but I have come to know through labor negotiations and the various contract negotiations that I've been attached to, whenever there is anything that the two sides can't agree upon and you have to bring a third party in to assess what's fair, what's equitable, historically in the state of Delaware they've identified the city of Newark as the comparable for labor relations issues to the city of Dover. I believe that's based on population data, size of the workforce, demographic information that shows that they're kind of on the same par, and that's what's used to try and, I guess for lack of a better term, set the market, set the standard, set the value of whatever the issue is that might be in dispute.","topics_json":"[\"budget\"]","vector_id":"vec_seg_95289_645","created_at":"2026-10-31T07:37:17Z","speaker_name":"Thomas Johnson"},{"id":"seg_95289_646","meeting_id":"95289","media_asset_id":"med_95289_f20119687f337fb8","agenda_item_id":null,"speaker_id":"off_david_l_anderson","speaker_confidence":0.95,"start_sec":8633.78,"end_sec":8635.77,"text":"Thank you. Council President Neil, you're recognized.","topics_json":"[]","vector_id":"vec_seg_95289_646","created_at":"2026-10-31T07:37:17Z","speaker_name":"David L. Anderson"},{"id":"seg_95289_647","meeting_id":"95289","media_asset_id":"med_95289_f20119687f337fb8","agenda_item_id":null,"speaker_id":"off_fred_a_neil","speaker_confidence":0.95,"start_sec":8635.77,"end_sec":8650.7,"text":"Thank you. Chief, again, I sent a memo out to every member of the council with my thinking, so I don't want to dwell on all of those details. But if this position is missing, if you don't have this individual there, is there a big pull of","topics_json":"[\"public_safety\"]","vector_id":"vec_seg_95289_647","created_at":"2026-10-31T07:37:17Z","speaker_name":"Fred A. Neil"},{"id":"seg_95289_648","meeting_id":"95289","media_asset_id":"med_95289_f20119687f337fb8","agenda_item_id":null,"speaker_id":"off_fred_a_neil","speaker_confidence":0.95,"start_sec":8650.7,"end_sec":8703.77,"text":"of line operators that you can pick up and use. If you have a vaca- a vacancy for 6 months, how will it affect the the workings of your department? Are you going to be hurt badly or is- can you hold up? So, one of those those questions include with uh the or the or or HR director, does she have somebody ready to for you that you can take a look at and put her in? If you don't have it, is this a difficult position to to to find? And of course, uh we'll have Joe Simmons also talking about it from the IT department. If If you are Are you going to be hurt if you don't have this individual or someone who has the same type of qualities uh within a very reasonable period of time?","topics_json":"[\"public_safety\"]","vector_id":"vec_seg_95289_648","created_at":"2026-10-31T07:37:17Z","speaker_name":"Fred A. Neil"},{"id":"seg_95289_649","meeting_id":"95289","media_asset_id":"med_95289_f20119687f337fb8","agenda_item_id":null,"speaker_id":"spk_95289_thomas_johnson","speaker_confidence":0.95,"start_sec":8703.77,"end_sec":8847.3,"text":"All right. I'll I'll try and address them um as best I can, and I'm going to try and go backwards a little bit, sir, if you'll indulge me. First, I don't think it would be fair to the HR director to expect that she would have somebody um shovel-ready. Advertising for a position and a selection process, whether it's for a union position or a non-bargaining position, there are steps that need to be taken. So, I don't think there's, and unless she knows something that I don't, I don't think it would be fair to say that there could be anybody shovel-ready. There would have to be uh a little bit of a delay, but um in perfect conditions, it wouldn't take that long to find somebody. I think my um assertion to Council would be that we're not in in perfect conditions right now. Um when you're talking about IT function, and when you're talking about a supervisory-level um position that requires a certain amount of training, a certain amount of experience, and then when you put that in probably one of the most um highly-vetted positions because that person's going to be embedded in a police department. Um while most um IT professionals have to have a certain amount of uh security um commitment uh, if you will, there's no higher level than um government and particularly public safety. Uh so to find someone that is going to be able to function with the technologies that we use, um and in the environment that we work in, particularly the secure environment, for the rate that is currently offered under our um salary structure, which has not been looked at in years. And um I have more to offer as far as the process that I took before we arrived at this date. This was not something that that was done off-handedly, or in just just a minute with uh only a half a minute's thought. Um but I don't want to start doing that until the chair's pleasure that I do that I do that, but I did want to try and answer your questions as best as I could. I've already la- lost half of my IT staff when the director left suddenly uh in July, so um we are almost 6 months into um that lack of that resource because before he left, he was on administrative leave, and right now the only thing that the current IT professional in my building is doing is core functions.","topics_json":"[\"public_safety\",\"budget\"]","vector_id":"vec_seg_95289_649","created_at":"2026-10-31T07:37:17Z","speaker_name":"Thomas Johnson"},{"id":"seg_95289_65","meeting_id":"95289","media_asset_id":"med_95289_f20119687f337fb8","agenda_item_id":null,"speaker_id":"spk_95289_staff_presenter","speaker_confidence":0.9,"start_sec":1130.07,"end_sec":1134.75,"text":"\"Did you come in a car?\" You don't have to raise your hand, but you can if you want to. [laughter]","topics_json":"[]","vector_id":"vec_seg_95289_65","created_at":"2026-10-31T07:37:16Z","speaker_name":null},{"id":"seg_95289_650","meeting_id":"95289","media_asset_id":"med_95289_f20119687f337fb8","agenda_item_id":null,"speaker_id":"spk_95289_thomas_johnson","speaker_confidence":0.95,"start_sec":8847.31,"end_sec":8943.11,"text":"He's keeping the the lights on and the water running. All the other maintenance, all the other uh associated duties that is part of the justification for having two individuals in that department, and um you haven't seen it yet, but when you see the budget profile, I'll be putting in the personnel line uh a request for a third because our technology has gotten to that point. The number of devices that we have to maintain ha has gotten to that point, and it's more work now for even two people. Um, but first things first. I'm trying to get back to two. I'm trying to maintain the institutional knowledge that I have. So, I took a hit when I lost half of my institutional knowledge. I'm going to take a much bigger hit if I lose the other half of my institutional knowledge and I have someone that has no pedigree with our systems and processes over the last x number of years that you would like to identify. And um I'm very careful with language, so uh I'm I'm going to stop short of using the word devastating or crumble, [laughter] um but I will say that we will be significantly challenged and our risk for something bad happening will go up exponentially for a significant amount of time before we can identify the two people that we're going to need to fill the two open positions and get them oriented and trained up and familiarized with our challenges till we can get that sense of security back. It would be quite a significant amount of time, probably in excess of a year.","topics_json":"[\"budget\",\"public_safety\"]","vector_id":"vec_seg_95289_650","created_at":"2026-10-31T07:37:17Z","speaker_name":"Thomas Johnson"},{"id":"seg_95289_651","meeting_id":"95289","media_asset_id":"med_95289_f20119687f337fb8","agenda_item_id":null,"speaker_id":"off_brian_e_lewis","speaker_confidence":0.95,"start_sec":8943.11,"end_sec":8944.51,"text":"So in other words, you're going to be hurt?","topics_json":"[\"budget\",\"public_safety\"]","vector_id":"vec_seg_95289_651","created_at":"2026-10-31T07:37:17Z","speaker_name":"Brian E. Lewis"},{"id":"seg_95289_652","meeting_id":"95289","media_asset_id":"med_95289_f20119687f337fb8","agenda_item_id":null,"speaker_id":"spk_95289_thomas_johnson","speaker_confidence":0.95,"start_sec":8944.51,"end_sec":8978.71,"text":"Yes, but I don't want the record to reflect that I'm predicting catastrophic doom and gloom. We do have a great working relationship with the city's IT department. We have a great working relationship with the state level IT department that helps with some of our our security functions that are managed at the state level. Um, we would figure it out somehow, but it would be very challenging and we would be at significant risk until we got um our team back in place um and to the point where they were comfortable and functional.","topics_json":"[\"budget\",\"public_safety\"]","vector_id":"vec_seg_95289_652","created_at":"2026-10-31T07:37:17Z","speaker_name":"Thomas Johnson"},{"id":"seg_95289_653","meeting_id":"95289","media_asset_id":"med_95289_f20119687f337fb8","agenda_item_id":null,"speaker_id":"off_brian_e_lewis","speaker_confidence":0.95,"start_sec":8978.71,"end_sec":8980.31,"text":"Thank you, Chief. I yield.","topics_json":"[\"public_safety\"]","vector_id":"vec_seg_95289_653","created_at":"2026-10-31T07:37:17Z","speaker_name":"Brian E. Lewis"},{"id":"seg_95289_654","meeting_id":"95289","media_asset_id":"med_95289_f20119687f337fb8","agenda_item_id":null,"speaker_id":"off_fred_a_neil","speaker_confidence":0.9,"start_sec":8980.31,"end_sec":8982.11,"text":"Thank you. Dr. Pillsbury.","topics_json":"[]","vector_id":"vec_seg_95289_654","created_at":"2026-10-31T07:37:17Z","speaker_name":"Fred A. Neil"},{"id":"seg_95289_655","meeting_id":"95289","media_asset_id":"med_95289_f20119687f337fb8","agenda_item_id":null,"speaker_id":"off_julia_m_pillsbury","speaker_confidence":0.95,"start_sec":8982.11,"end_sec":9035.31,"text":"Thank you. I'd like to know if these, [cough] two employees have comparable experience. Um the chief's employee has eight years of experience in that department, and the um the analyst that is in the IT department, I don't know how much experience he has. So, he's at a level of 129-1, but the gentleman that the police department wants to promote was currently at 126-6. His experience needs to count for something, and I don't know if they're comparable. So, that's my first question. Um do they have comparable experience?","topics_json":"[\"budget\",\"public_safety\"]","vector_id":"vec_seg_95289_655","created_at":"2026-10-31T07:37:17Z","speaker_name":"Julia M. 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So, but please.","topics_json":"[]","vector_id":"vec_seg_95289_657","created_at":"2026-10-31T07:37:17Z","speaker_name":"Roy Sudler, Jr."},{"id":"seg_95289_658","meeting_id":"95289","media_asset_id":"med_95289_f20119687f337fb8","agenda_item_id":null,"speaker_id":"spk_95289_joseph_simmons","speaker_confidence":1,"start_sec":9053.79,"end_sec":9125.44,"text":"Yeah, Joseph Simmons, the IT Director for the City of Dover. Um, and back in September, we hired um William Vidal um as our network administrator. Um he came to us with um Children's First as a network administrator. Um, and I will say that his experiences is definitely comparable um as far as his his tasks. Um he's he's a supervisor over two of LAN analysts um now that we uh onboarded. So he, you know, he's has a supervisory role, and also he has um with working with uh, you know, Dave before we brought him on here, and and Naomi to kind of stress that he has the the responsibility of our network. So it is a comparable position for what um the chief has at um Dover Police or what we have here. Um so like you said, there's some law enforcement um differences, slight differences, because you that's unique to law enforcement that we don't have at the city. Um, but outside of that, um those positions are very very, very compatible.","topics_json":"[\"public_safety\"]","vector_id":"vec_seg_95289_658","created_at":"2026-10-31T07:37:17Z","speaker_name":"Joseph Simmons"},{"id":"seg_95289_659","meeting_id":"95289","media_asset_id":"med_95289_f20119687f337fb8","agenda_item_id":null,"speaker_id":"off_julia_m_pillsbury","speaker_confidence":0.95,"start_sec":9125.87,"end_sec":9133.69,"text":"So can you explain to me with his diverse experience why he's at a Level 1? Um, is that something that we do with all employees?","topics_json":"[]","vector_id":"vec_seg_95289_659","created_at":"2026-10-31T07:37:17Z","speaker_name":"Julia M. 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Can discuss stuff from offline.","topics_json":"[]","vector_id":"vec_seg_95289_660","created_at":"2026-10-31T07:37:17Z","speaker_name":"Roy Sudler, Jr."},{"id":"seg_95289_661","meeting_id":"95289","media_asset_id":"med_95289_f20119687f337fb8","agenda_item_id":null,"speaker_id":"off_julia_m_pillsbury","speaker_confidence":0.95,"start_sec":9189.48,"end_sec":9190.69,"text":"Okay. Thank you.","topics_json":"[]","vector_id":"vec_seg_95289_661","created_at":"2026-10-31T07:37:17Z","speaker_name":"Julia M. 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Um,","topics_json":"[]","vector_id":"vec_seg_95289_671","created_at":"2026-10-31T07:37:17Z","speaker_name":"Tricia K. Arndt"},{"id":"seg_95289_672","meeting_id":"95289","media_asset_id":"med_95289_f20119687f337fb8","agenda_item_id":null,"speaker_id":"off_tricia_k_arndt","speaker_confidence":0.95,"start_sec":9220.48,"end_sec":9227.94,"text":"I find it hard to believe that the market has changed so significantly in that short amount of time. But I'm not in IT, but just based on all the other jobs in the salaries, um I don't see um increases","topics_json":"[\"budget\"]","vector_id":"vec_seg_95289_672","created_at":"2026-10-31T07:37:17Z","speaker_name":"Tricia K. Arndt"},{"id":"seg_95289_673","meeting_id":"95289","media_asset_id":"med_95289_f20119687f337fb8","agenda_item_id":null,"speaker_id":"off_tricia_k_arndt","speaker_confidence":0.95,"start_sec":9228.44,"end_sec":9240.52,"text":"to that extent. And and to Councilman Boggerty's point, I'm not discounting anyone's experience, but for someone to be working so far above their class, if we're talking about a reclassification for this amount of of salary increase, I I don't","topics_json":"[\"budget\"]","vector_id":"vec_seg_95289_673","created_at":"2026-10-31T07:37:17Z","speaker_name":"Tricia K. Arndt"},{"id":"seg_95289_674","meeting_id":"95289","media_asset_id":"med_95289_f20119687f337fb8","agenda_item_id":null,"speaker_id":"off_tricia_k_arndt","speaker_confidence":0.95,"start_sec":9240.52,"end_sec":9264.82,"text":"understand how someone would be working at that level for so long and be so out of whack with with the market analysis. Um, and I'm I'm uncomfortable with these one-off decisions, and I think these significant budget changes should be requested during the time frame where we're reviewing the budget. And with that, I yield.","topics_json":"[\"budget\"]","vector_id":"vec_seg_95289_674","created_at":"2026-10-31T07:37:17Z","speaker_name":"Tricia K. Arndt"},{"id":"seg_95289_675","meeting_id":"95289","media_asset_id":"med_95289_f20119687f337fb8","agenda_item_id":null,"speaker_id":"off_andre_m_boggerty","speaker_confidence":0.9,"start_sec":9265.32,"end_sec":9274.02,"text":"I'd like to invite, it's just so everybody can get their piece and patience in, um, Dr. Sudler, I believe...","topics_json":"[]","vector_id":"vec_seg_95289_675","created_at":"2026-10-31T07:37:17Z","speaker_name":"Andre M. Boggerty"},{"id":"seg_95289_676","meeting_id":"95289","media_asset_id":"med_95289_f20119687f337fb8","agenda_item_id":null,"speaker_id":"off_andre_m_boggerty","speaker_confidence":0.95,"start_sec":9274.22,"end_sec":9282.22,"text":"I plea I plea I would yield to I would yield to um to Councilman Lewis since he hasn't had too much to say. Well, he's had a lot to say, but he...","topics_json":"[]","vector_id":"vec_seg_95289_676","created_at":"2026-10-31T07:37:17Z","speaker_name":"Andre M. Boggerty"},{"id":"seg_95289_677","meeting_id":"95289","media_asset_id":"med_95289_f20119687f337fb8","agenda_item_id":null,"speaker_id":"off_brian_e_lewis","speaker_confidence":0.95,"start_sec":9282.22,"end_sec":9284.12,"text":"Well, that's because he don't recognize me.","topics_json":"[]","vector_id":"vec_seg_95289_677","created_at":"2026-10-31T07:37:17Z","speaker_name":"Brian E. Lewis"},{"id":"seg_95289_678","meeting_id":"95289","media_asset_id":"med_95289_f20119687f337fb8","agenda_item_id":null,"speaker_id":"off_andre_m_boggerty","speaker_confidence":0.95,"start_sec":9284.12,"end_sec":9285.82,"text":"And then, I'll come back to me.","topics_json":"[]","vector_id":"vec_seg_95289_678","created_at":"2026-10-31T07:37:17Z","speaker_name":"Andre M. Boggerty"},{"id":"seg_95289_679","meeting_id":"95289","media_asset_id":"med_95289_f20119687f337fb8","agenda_item_id":null,"speaker_id":"off_brian_e_lewis","speaker_confidence":0.95,"start_sec":9285.82,"end_sec":9287.82,"text":"Thank Thank you, uh thank you, uh Mr. Sudler.","topics_json":"[]","vector_id":"vec_seg_95289_679","created_at":"2026-10-31T07:37:17Z","speaker_name":"Brian E. 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Uh, I have concerns with this. And and by the way, uh, to my colleague Ms. Arndt, I I wholeheartedly uh agree with your comments. Um, but I I I look at this as this could become a potential morale issue with staff. I mean, how do you feel, Chief, about um giving a $30,000 increase to one person when we have other positions in the city that are hard to fill and need increases?","topics_json":"[\"budget\",\"public_safety\"]","vector_id":"vec_seg_95289_681","created_at":"2026-10-31T07:37:17Z","speaker_name":"Brian E. Lewis"},{"id":"seg_95289_682","meeting_id":"95289","media_asset_id":"med_95289_f20119687f337fb8","agenda_item_id":null,"speaker_id":"spk_95289_thomas_johnson","speaker_confidence":0.9,"start_sec":9361.22,"end_sec":9380.22,"text":"Um, I'm going to answer your question. I'm just going to refer to the chairperson. I think I can answer Councilman Lewis's question a little bit better if you would allow me to provide a little history as as to how I got to the point of making this request because there's um I feel like we're kind of hitting different things along the way, if that's okay, sir.","topics_json":"[\"budget\",\"public_safety\"]","vector_id":"vec_seg_95289_682","created_at":"2026-10-31T07:37:17Z","speaker_name":"Thomas Johnson"},{"id":"seg_95289_683","meeting_id":"95289","media_asset_id":"med_95289_f20119687f337fb8","agenda_item_id":null,"speaker_id":"off_roy_sudler_jr","speaker_confidence":0.9,"start_sec":9377.92,"end_sec":9381.72,"text":"Just keep it concise and I'll make it","topics_json":"[]","vector_id":"vec_seg_95289_683","created_at":"2026-10-31T07:37:17Z","speaker_name":"Roy Sudler, Jr."},{"id":"seg_95289_684","meeting_id":"95289","media_asset_id":"med_95289_f20119687f337fb8","agenda_item_id":null,"speaker_id":"spk_95289_thomas_johnson","speaker_confidence":0.95,"start_sec":9381.72,"end_sec":9392.22,"text":"And then, and then Mr. Lewis, if or Councilman Lewis, if if uh I haven't answered your question in the middle of that, I'll I'll be looking right back to you to get offer any clarity that uh that you feel like you need. Is that Is that okay?","topics_json":"[]","vector_id":"vec_seg_95289_684","created_at":"2026-10-31T07:37:17Z","speaker_name":"Thomas Johnson"},{"id":"seg_95289_685","meeting_id":"95289","media_asset_id":"med_95289_f20119687f337fb8","agenda_item_id":null,"speaker_id":"off_brian_e_lewis","speaker_confidence":0.95,"start_sec":9392.22,"end_sec":9393.62,"text":"That's fair.","topics_json":"[]","vector_id":"vec_seg_95289_685","created_at":"2026-10-31T07:37:17Z","speaker_name":"Brian E. Lewis"},{"id":"seg_95289_686","meeting_id":"95289","media_asset_id":"med_95289_f20119687f337fb8","agenda_item_id":null,"speaker_id":"spk_95289_thomas_johnson","speaker_confidence":0.95,"start_sec":9393.62,"end_sec":9437.12,"text":"Okay. Chief Um, the position as it was currently constructed had not been evaluated in more than a decade. The individual that occupied the position for reasons that I think you probably already articulated, Mr. Anderson, I could not say openly without us going into an executive session and then council would understand a little bit better as to why that didn't occur. His separation was abrupt and part of and let's just say an off-schedule unusual process that I didn't expect and I didn't see coming. The characterization that the employee is holding either me, the department, or the city hostage as far as the threat to leave, that is not accurate from the standpoint of there was discussion about his departure as a LAN analyst when there appeared to be no prospect for him to do anything other than be a LAN analyst for the foreseeable future. He started making plans to move on to the next thing because he couldn't evolve with his degree, with his experience, etc. When we ran into that unusual circumstance that I am not at liberty to expand upon anymore, I suddenly had an IT director on administrative leave for a significant amount of time while we","topics_json":"[\"budget\",\"public_safety\"]","vector_id":"vec_seg_95289_686","created_at":"2026-10-31T07:37:17Z","speaker_name":"Thomas Johnson"},{"id":"seg_95289_687","meeting_id":"95289","media_asset_id":"med_95289_f20119687f337fb8","agenda_item_id":null,"speaker_id":"spk_95289_city_staff","speaker_confidence":0.85,"start_sec":9437.13,"end_sec":9459.93,"text":"had to figure things out, and then there was a resignation that happened rather abruptly. So unfortunately, that happened on the second day of the budget year, which left me no opportunity to bring this before Council prior to the time that takes to do this properly and through what I believed was the lens that would allow everybody to evaluate the decision in the best possible light.","topics_json":"[\"budget\"]","vector_id":"vec_seg_95289_687","created_at":"2026-10-31T07:37:17Z","speaker_name":null},{"id":"seg_95289_688","meeting_id":"95289","media_asset_id":"med_95289_f20119687f337fb8","agenda_item_id":null,"speaker_id":"spk_95289_city_staff","speaker_confidence":0.85,"start_sec":9460.43,"end_sec":9485.13,"text":"As soon as I knew I had a super um a middle manager vacancy and I saw that the job description was not even reflective of the job that was being done, we had to go about the business of updating the job description, because you can't advertise for a position without an accurate reflection of what the work is going to be. That involved research of what what additional things we were doing in that role and perhaps a thing or two that we weren't doing anymore that needed to come out.","topics_json":"[]","vector_id":"vec_seg_95289_688","created_at":"2026-10-31T07:37:17Z","speaker_name":null},{"id":"seg_95289_689","meeting_id":"95289","media_asset_id":"med_95289_f20119687f337fb8","agenda_item_id":null,"speaker_id":"spk_95289_city_staff","speaker_confidence":0.85,"start_sec":9485.73,"end_sec":9542.23,"text":"And in the aggregate, I took that revised job description with a working title, because we weren't sure what the title was going to be, and I did research when the employee came to me and said, \"Here's what my peers in Delaware are making, and this is what I would like now that I've won the job through the competition that was done.\"","topics_json":"[]","vector_id":"vec_seg_95289_689","created_at":"2026-10-31T07:37:17Z","speaker_name":null},{"id":"seg_95289_69","meeting_id":"95289","media_asset_id":"med_95289_f20119687f337fb8","agenda_item_id":null,"speaker_id":"spk_95289_staff_presenter","speaker_confidence":0.9,"start_sec":1144.43,"end_sec":1151.11,"text":"There's a whole lot going on besides just when we say traffic, cars and trucks on the road.","topics_json":"[]","vector_id":"vec_seg_95289_69","created_at":"2026-10-31T07:37:16Z","speaker_name":null},{"id":"seg_95289_690","meeting_id":"95289","media_asset_id":"med_95289_f20119687f337fb8","agenda_item_id":null,"speaker_id":"spk_95289_city_staff","speaker_confidence":0.85,"start_sec":9547.93,"end_sec":9576.83,"text":"The the job was advertised in-house. I have that option to keep it in-house because I'm trying to hang on to the institutional knowledge. If I had another person with institutional knowledge, I might have considered a more broad um call for candidates to try and fill that secondary role to see how that would work out. But now he was the only institutional knowledge I have left, so I had the option to, and I exercised the option to advertise the position in-house.","topics_json":"[]","vector_id":"vec_seg_95289_690","created_at":"2026-10-31T07:37:17Z","speaker_name":null},{"id":"seg_95289_691","meeting_id":"95289","media_asset_id":"med_95289_f20119687f337fb8","agenda_item_id":null,"speaker_id":"spk_95289_city_staff","speaker_confidence":0.85,"start_sec":9577.53,"end_sec":9597.13,"text":"Once we got the job description squared away, once we did the process the way the by the book, the way the book is supposed to be said, and HR offered the candidate the salary figure that I knew they had to, because there's a city policy that governs what the HR director is allowed to offer—no no shade on that whatsoever.","topics_json":"[]","vector_id":"vec_seg_95289_691","created_at":"2026-10-31T07:37:17Z","speaker_name":null},{"id":"seg_95289_692","meeting_id":"95289","media_asset_id":"med_95289_f20119687f337fb8","agenda_item_id":null,"speaker_id":"spk_95289_city_staff","speaker_confidence":0.85,"start_sec":9597.93,"end_sec":9633.73,"text":"But when it was pointed out to me that the market reflected different numbers for almost the identical position in comparator agencies just to the south of us and just to the north of us, I took it and then I verified. And I started making phone calls to make to make sure that we were really talking about apples and apples here, because that's apparently where the market is right now. Um and so that that's when when you're asking me about how we can have the numbers where we are, some of this is related to the person that occupied the seat being complacent and not being concerned or interested in drawing attention to themselves to discuss this issue. So where there was no problem, there was no problem. But now that we are in transition, and that individual stayed at my suggestion, because now there was opportunity for him, we've gone through the process. It was clear that this was going to have to come to Council at some point because the market had shifted, and clearly we needed a new title because once I was made aware of Joe's situation, I did not know that he had hired somebody to a similar job description","topics_json":"[\"budget\"]","vector_id":"vec_seg_95289_692","created_at":"2026-10-31T07:37:17Z","speaker_name":null},{"id":"seg_95289_693","meeting_id":"95289","media_asset_id":"med_95289_f20119687f337fb8","agenda_item_id":null,"speaker_id":"spk_95289_thomas_johnson","speaker_confidence":0.9,"start_sec":9633.73,"end_sec":9788.23,"text":"in a similar classification. And Mr. Anderson's email, and I think this would speak to Councilwoman Arndt's concern about doing a one-off for a particular individual, I agreed wholeheartedly that this should be an assessment of the position and not necessarily an individual. So if I've done nothing over the last couple of minutes, I want to make sure you know that the individual is not doing a strong-arm tactic here. This is someone who, at my request, hung in there, took care of the department for me, did not execute his plan to seek other employment, and now we're looking to see if he can continue with his career in some semblance of what I will call market equity. And then once I became aware of his counterpart in the city IT department, now I'm talking about position equity. I wholeheartedly endorse that anybody that has the training, and the credentials, and the background to be a manager in IT, which is what this role is, not a director's role, but it's also not an entry-level employee's role, this is where I found the market to be. And this is why I felt, with a straight face, that I could stand before you tonight and talk about it. I would like to point out, before I finish, and I think this might swing back Mr. Lewis to one of your concerns as to why I feel this is justified: the two other positions that we're talking about with eight years experience are going to still be thousands of dollars ahead of what the Dover position will be. So when he countered at the number that he countered, I said, \"I can't go with you there, because I'm aware, just like every other department head's aware, that there are financial concerns for city administration, about the budget, and about the real dollars.\" I said, \"I'll advocate to get you in the ballpark, but I can't advocate for you to be the best-paid IT manager in public safety in Delaware. I'm not even going to make the argument for the mid-line.\" But if the other ones are already six figures, I can endorse something in the low 90s, and that's what I brought to the city manager, was something that got him in the ballpark, which would allow me to retain my institutional knowledge. And I'm not going to speak too much for Director Simmons, but I think probably the one thing that we both agree is that it's very hard to put a price tag on institutional knowledge, and starting from scratch with nobody, and then you have to fill both the supervisor and the frontline person at the same time.","topics_json":"[\"budget\",\"public_safety\"]","vector_id":"vec_seg_95289_693","created_at":"2026-10-31T07:37:17Z","speaker_name":"Thomas Johnson"},{"id":"seg_95289_694","meeting_id":"95289","media_asset_id":"med_95289_f20119687f337fb8","agenda_item_id":null,"speaker_id":"spk_95289_thomas_johnson","speaker_confidence":0.9,"start_sec":9788.23,"end_sec":9788.63,"text":"And Councilman Lewis, did I fill in all the gaps for you with that, or was there more that you—","topics_json":"[]","vector_id":"vec_seg_95289_694","created_at":"2026-10-31T07:37:17Z","speaker_name":"Thomas Johnson"},{"id":"seg_95289_695","meeting_id":"95289","media_asset_id":"med_95289_f20119687f337fb8","agenda_item_id":null,"speaker_id":"off_brian_e_lewis","speaker_confidence":0.95,"start_sec":9788.63,"end_sec":9798.53,"text":"Not really, but I'm going to move on. I got a question for Mr. Simmons. Uh Mr. Simmons, uh the IT person that works for you, does he not cover the whole city?","topics_json":"[\"public_safety\"]","vector_id":"vec_seg_95289_695","created_at":"2026-10-31T07:37:17Z","speaker_name":"Brian E. Lewis"},{"id":"seg_95289_696","meeting_id":"95289","media_asset_id":"med_95289_f20119687f337fb8","agenda_item_id":null,"speaker_id":"spk_95289_larry_simmons","speaker_confidence":0.9,"start_sec":9798.73,"end_sec":9808.33,"text":"Uh, again, he covers the whole city, um except for the uh police department and certain sections of the library.","topics_json":"[\"public_safety\"]","vector_id":"vec_seg_95289_696","created_at":"2026-10-31T07:37:17Z","speaker_name":"Larry Simmons"},{"id":"seg_95289_697","meeting_id":"95289","media_asset_id":"med_95289_f20119687f337fb8","agenda_item_id":null,"speaker_id":"off_brian_e_lewis","speaker_confidence":0.95,"start_sec":9808.33,"end_sec":9811.53,"text":"Why not? The city police department's part of the city.","topics_json":"[\"public_safety\"]","vector_id":"vec_seg_95289_697","created_at":"2026-10-31T07:37:17Z","speaker_name":"Brian E. Lewis"},{"id":"seg_95289_698","meeting_id":"95289","media_asset_id":"med_95289_f20119687f337fb8","agenda_item_id":null,"speaker_id":"spk_95289_larry_simmons","speaker_confidence":0.9,"start_sec":9811.73,"end_sec":9830.33,"text":"Um, the police, law enforcement has uh uh certain parameters that does not constitute, far as IT person from the city to take all aspects of that over. And, I was—","topics_json":"[\"public_safety\"]","vector_id":"vec_seg_95289_698","created_at":"2026-10-31T07:37:17Z","speaker_name":"Larry Simmons"},{"id":"seg_95289_699","meeting_id":"95289","media_asset_id":"med_95289_f20119687f337fb8","agenda_item_id":null,"speaker_id":"spk_95289_larry_cole","speaker_confidence":0.9,"start_sec":9830.34,"end_sec":9856.85,"text":"speaking from IT director on some of the stuff. And I know chief will agree with me, any kind of evidential data, law enforcement data, that's more controlled by CJIS and the state of Delaware. So, there's a little cross-section there. Obviously, there are some things that we can do in a in a pinch to help out. But then again, for example, nobody in the city, on the city side, has body-worn camera. So, we're not familiar with that system. That's something that that's really kind of like unique and specialized as far as, you know, video capture and things like that because that's law enforcement. So, yes. There's some things are city-wide, but there's certain niches of IT that are that are more specific.","topics_json":"[\"public_safety\"]","vector_id":"vec_seg_95289_699","created_at":"2026-10-31T07:37:17Z","speaker_name":"Larry Cole"},{"id":"seg_95289_7","meeting_id":"95289","media_asset_id":"med_95289_f20119687f337fb8","agenda_item_id":null,"speaker_id":"off_fred_a_neil","speaker_confidence":0.95,"start_sec":46.5,"end_sec":56.8,"text":"First on the agenda, we will have council reports, and we will first start with the First District, and Dr. Pillsbury and Mr. Rocha.","topics_json":"[]","vector_id":"vec_seg_95289_7","created_at":"2026-10-31T07:37:16Z","speaker_name":"Fred A. 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Lewis"},{"id":"seg_95289_701","meeting_id":"95289","media_asset_id":"med_95289_f20119687f337fb8","agenda_item_id":null,"speaker_id":"spk_95289_larry_cole","speaker_confidence":0.9,"start_sec":9864.4,"end_sec":9913.17,"text":"Uh, we can do that. Both of my All of my LAN analysts are DELJIS certified. They have to be because we support the fire marshals and code inspectors who uses DELJIS equipment. So, they do have the background check. They can do it. I think historically, there was kind of like, you know, kind of if you want to say, you know, segment of duties as far as what the police had to deal with. Because like I said, they deal a lot more on the state network with DTI than as far as city services other than HR and some administrative tasks.","topics_json":"[\"public_safety\"]","vector_id":"vec_seg_95289_701","created_at":"2026-10-31T07:37:17Z","speaker_name":"Larry Cole"},{"id":"seg_95289_702","meeting_id":"95289","media_asset_id":"med_95289_f20119687f337fb8","agenda_item_id":null,"speaker_id":"off_brian_e_lewis","speaker_confidence":0.95,"start_sec":9913.17,"end_sec":9917.4,"text":"Okay. I just have one more question, but it's going to be for our HR director, if she don't mind coming up.","topics_json":"[]","vector_id":"vec_seg_95289_702","created_at":"2026-10-31T07:37:17Z","speaker_name":"Brian E. Lewis"},{"id":"seg_95289_703","meeting_id":"95289","media_asset_id":"med_95289_f20119687f337fb8","agenda_item_id":null,"speaker_id":"off_fred_a_neil","speaker_confidence":0.9,"start_sec":9917.4,"end_sec":9920.09,"text":"Miss Miss Poole, uh please come forward.","topics_json":"[]","vector_id":"vec_seg_95289_703","created_at":"2026-10-31T07:37:17Z","speaker_name":"Fred A. Neil"},{"id":"seg_95289_704","meeting_id":"95289","media_asset_id":"med_95289_f20119687f337fb8","agenda_item_id":null,"speaker_id":"off_brian_e_lewis","speaker_confidence":0.95,"start_sec":9922.69,"end_sec":9923.59,"text":"Good evening, Miss Poole.","topics_json":"[]","vector_id":"vec_seg_95289_704","created_at":"2026-10-31T07:37:17Z","speaker_name":"Brian E. Lewis"},{"id":"seg_95289_705","meeting_id":"95289","media_asset_id":"med_95289_f20119687f337fb8","agenda_item_id":null,"speaker_id":"spk_95289_kim_hawkins","speaker_confidence":0.9,"start_sec":9923.59,"end_sec":9924.3,"text":"Good evening.","topics_json":"[]","vector_id":"vec_seg_95289_705","created_at":"2026-10-31T07:37:17Z","speaker_name":"Kim Hawkins"},{"id":"seg_95289_706","meeting_id":"95289","media_asset_id":"med_95289_f20119687f337fb8","agenda_item_id":null,"speaker_id":"off_brian_e_lewis","speaker_confidence":0.95,"start_sec":9924.3,"end_sec":9957.67,"text":"Um, I just have a couple questions for you. Uh, I like your viewpoint on this matter. Um, I don't know if you'd be able to answer from a fiscal point of view, but uh if you don't mind providing that on this particular uh subject matter?","topics_json":"[\"budget\"]","vector_id":"vec_seg_95289_706","created_at":"2026-10-31T07:37:17Z","speaker_name":"Brian E. Lewis"},{"id":"seg_95289_707","meeting_id":"95289","media_asset_id":"med_95289_f20119687f337fb8","agenda_item_id":null,"speaker_id":"spk_95289_kim_hawkins","speaker_confidence":0.9,"start_sec":9957.67,"end_sec":9958.82,"text":"Of how this is going to be paid for?","topics_json":"[\"budget\"]","vector_id":"vec_seg_95289_707","created_at":"2026-10-31T07:37:17Z","speaker_name":"Kim Hawkins"},{"id":"seg_95289_708","meeting_id":"95289","media_asset_id":"med_95289_f20119687f337fb8","agenda_item_id":null,"speaker_id":"off_brian_e_lewis","speaker_confidence":0.95,"start_sec":9958.82,"end_sec":9959.46,"text":"Correct.","topics_json":"[\"budget\"]","vector_id":"vec_seg_95289_708","created_at":"2026-10-31T07:37:17Z","speaker_name":"Brian E. Lewis"},{"id":"seg_95289_709","meeting_id":"95289","media_asset_id":"med_95289_f20119687f337fb8","agenda_item_id":null,"speaker_id":"spk_95289_kim_hawkins","speaker_confidence":0.9,"start_sec":9959.46,"end_sec":9980.87,"text":"Well, I think we need to start with how much this is going to cost. Right. The impact of this is about $60,000, a little bit more than $60,000. Um, so, that's including the retitling or, excuse me, the regrading, not the retitling. Um, so, the financial impact is a little bit over $60,000. That's including ancillary costs, like benefits, um, uh, insurance, all of those things. Um, because we're not just talking about one position, we're talking about two positions.","topics_json":"[\"budget\"]","vector_id":"vec_seg_95289_709","created_at":"2026-10-31T07:37:17Z","speaker_name":"Kim Hawkins"},{"id":"seg_95289_71","meeting_id":"95289","media_asset_id":"med_95289_f20119687f337fb8","agenda_item_id":null,"speaker_id":"spk_95289_staff_presenter","speaker_confidence":0.9,"start_sec":1164.75,"end_sec":1170.71,"text":"because it's just it's not about just traffic, just cars and traffic.","topics_json":"[]","vector_id":"vec_seg_95289_71","created_at":"2026-10-31T07:37:16Z","speaker_name":null},{"id":"seg_95289_710","meeting_id":"95289","media_asset_id":"med_95289_f20119687f337fb8","agenda_item_id":null,"speaker_id":"off_brian_e_lewis","speaker_confidence":0.95,"start_sec":9981.67,"end_sec":9986.47,"text":"Okay. So, um, what's listed here is probably not accurate, because it's going to increase.","topics_json":"[\"budget\"]","vector_id":"vec_seg_95289_710","created_at":"2026-10-31T07:37:17Z","speaker_name":"Brian E. Lewis"},{"id":"seg_95289_711","meeting_id":"95289","media_asset_id":"med_95289_f20119687f337fb8","agenda_item_id":null,"speaker_id":"spk_95289_kim_hawkins","speaker_confidence":0.9,"start_sec":9986.47,"end_sec":9986.95,"text":"Correct.","topics_json":"[\"budget\"]","vector_id":"vec_seg_95289_711","created_at":"2026-10-31T07:37:17Z","speaker_name":"Kim Hawkins"},{"id":"seg_95289_712","meeting_id":"95289","media_asset_id":"med_95289_f20119687f337fb8","agenda_item_id":null,"speaker_id":"off_brian_e_lewis","speaker_confidence":0.95,"start_sec":9986.95,"end_sec":10026.95,"text":"Gotcha. Thank you very much. Um, in your opinion, uh uh and I understand, um, the chief has the right to post in-house first, uh but uh could he have or can he still uh put it out there, um, publicly? And I know you would work with him on that.","topics_json":"[\"public_safety\"]","vector_id":"vec_seg_95289_712","created_at":"2026-10-31T07:37:17Z","speaker_name":"Brian E. Lewis"},{"id":"seg_95289_713","meeting_id":"95289","media_asset_id":"med_95289_f20119687f337fb8","agenda_item_id":null,"speaker_id":"off_brian_e_lewis","speaker_confidence":0.95,"start_sec":10026.95,"end_sec":10039.39,"text":"also, um, it it could be suggested that maybe some the retirees would be interested in that position. So, uh, from it being posted in-house and, let's say, nobody applies for it, then it would move on to being posted publicly, correct?","topics_json":"[]","vector_id":"vec_seg_95289_713","created_at":"2026-10-31T07:37:17Z","speaker_name":"Brian E. Lewis"},{"id":"seg_95289_714","meeting_id":"95289","media_asset_id":"med_95289_f20119687f337fb8","agenda_item_id":null,"speaker_id":"spk_95289_kim_hawkins","speaker_confidence":0.9,"start_sec":10039.6,"end_sec":10040.67,"text":"Correct. It could.","topics_json":"[]","vector_id":"vec_seg_95289_714","created_at":"2026-10-31T07:37:17Z","speaker_name":"Kim Hawkins"},{"id":"seg_95289_715","meeting_id":"95289","media_asset_id":"med_95289_f20119687f337fb8","agenda_item_id":null,"speaker_id":"off_brian_e_lewis","speaker_confidence":0.95,"start_sec":10040.74,"end_sec":10041.31,"text":"Okay.","topics_json":"[]","vector_id":"vec_seg_95289_715","created_at":"2026-10-31T07:37:17Z","speaker_name":"Brian E. Lewis"},{"id":"seg_95289_716","meeting_id":"95289","media_asset_id":"med_95289_f20119687f337fb8","agenda_item_id":null,"speaker_id":"spk_95289_kim_hawkins","speaker_confidence":0.9,"start_sec":10041.38,"end_sec":10061.99,"text":"Um, he did choose to post it internally, um, which only one person applied, the person who was interested in the role. Obviously, you have to meet the credentials to even, you know, to apply. Um, but yes, he could have there was an option of him doing it external as well, um, that would have garnered some competition, some more candidates, um, and a pool of candidates for him to choose from in case things don't work out.","topics_json":"[]","vector_id":"vec_seg_95289_716","created_at":"2026-10-31T07:37:17Z","speaker_name":"Kim Hawkins"},{"id":"seg_95289_717","meeting_id":"95289","media_asset_id":"med_95289_f20119687f337fb8","agenda_item_id":null,"speaker_id":"off_brian_e_lewis","speaker_confidence":0.95,"start_sec":10062.28,"end_sec":10103.72,"text":"Ex- exactly. I was going to say, and I wrote it down in my notes here, that, um, you know, maybe it should have been posted outside, um, and by doing that you would, uh, possibly get more of an array of candidates, uh, that would meet the qualifications, but then you would be able to weed through them.","topics_json":"[]","vector_id":"vec_seg_95289_717","created_at":"2026-10-31T07:37:17Z","speaker_name":"Brian E. 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We got, uh, 29, uh, uh, applicants, uh, interviewed in August, and then we hired in September.","topics_json":"[]","vector_id":"vec_seg_95289_718","created_at":"2026-10-31T07:37:17Z","speaker_name":"Kim Hawkins"},{"id":"seg_95289_719","meeting_id":"95289","media_asset_id":"med_95289_f20119687f337fb8","agenda_item_id":null,"speaker_id":"spk_95289_kim_hawkins","speaker_confidence":0.9,"start_sec":10136.27,"end_sec":10172.74,"text":"So, um, I just want to put that out there because the theory of, you know, possibly being hard to fill the position, that's just the theory. These are the facts. It's not hard to fill the position.","topics_json":"[]","vector_id":"vec_seg_95289_719","created_at":"2026-10-31T07:37:17Z","speaker_name":"Kim Hawkins"},{"id":"seg_95289_72","meeting_id":"95289","media_asset_id":"med_95289_f20119687f337fb8","agenda_item_id":null,"speaker_id":"spk_95289_staff_presenter","speaker_confidence":0.9,"start_sec":1172.63,"end_sec":1179.63,"text":"Um, the last thing I'm going to say is call your attention to that box that says investment. These studies that are","topics_json":"[\"budget\"]","vector_id":"vec_seg_95289_72","created_at":"2026-10-31T07:37:16Z","speaker_name":null},{"id":"seg_95289_720","meeting_id":"95289","media_asset_id":"med_95289_f20119687f337fb8","agenda_item_id":null,"speaker_id":"off_brian_e_lewis","speaker_confidence":0.95,"start_sec":10173.09,"end_sec":10185.74,"text":"And I wholly- heartily agree with you on that because, you know, uh, these computer positions, um, they're they're out there. I mean, that's an up-and-coming field, and and I talk to people everyday that are going into that field. So, uh, I don't believe that those jobs are hard to fill.","topics_json":"[]","vector_id":"vec_seg_95289_720","created_at":"2026-10-31T07:37:17Z","speaker_name":"Brian E. Lewis"},{"id":"seg_95289_721","meeting_id":"95289","media_asset_id":"med_95289_f20119687f337fb8","agenda_item_id":null,"speaker_id":"spk_95289_kim_hawkins","speaker_confidence":0.9,"start_sec":10185.82,"end_sec":10186.31,"text":"They're not.","topics_json":"[]","vector_id":"vec_seg_95289_721","created_at":"2026-10-31T07:37:17Z","speaker_name":"Kim Hawkins"},{"id":"seg_95289_722","meeting_id":"95289","media_asset_id":"med_95289_f20119687f337fb8","agenda_item_id":null,"speaker_id":"off_brian_e_lewis","speaker_confidence":0.95,"start_sec":10186.46,"end_sec":10195.55,"text":"I I agree. Uh, and then when you posted that, um, for the position, uh, that, um, Joe Simmons requested, uh, our IT director, there was an array of candidates that applied. You said roughly about 11 plus?","topics_json":"[]","vector_id":"vec_seg_95289_722","created_at":"2026-10-31T07:37:17Z","speaker_name":"Brian E. Lewis"},{"id":"seg_95289_723","meeting_id":"95289","media_asset_id":"med_95289_f20119687f337fb8","agenda_item_id":null,"speaker_id":"spk_95289_kim_hawkins","speaker_confidence":0.9,"start_sec":10195.77,"end_sec":10196.41,"text":"Correct.","topics_json":"[]","vector_id":"vec_seg_95289_723","created_at":"2026-10-31T07:37:17Z","speaker_name":"Kim Hawkins"},{"id":"seg_95289_724","meeting_id":"95289","media_asset_id":"med_95289_f20119687f337fb8","agenda_item_id":null,"speaker_id":"off_brian_e_lewis","speaker_confidence":0.95,"start_sec":10196.48,"end_sec":10196.83,"text":"Okay.","topics_json":"[]","vector_id":"vec_seg_95289_724","created_at":"2026-10-31T07:37:17Z","speaker_name":"Brian E. Lewis"},{"id":"seg_95289_725","meeting_id":"95289","media_asset_id":"med_95289_f20119687f337fb8","agenda_item_id":null,"speaker_id":"spk_95289_kim_hawkins","speaker_confidence":0.9,"start_sec":10196.9,"end_sec":10203.23,"text":"And they met the qualifications for the position which was, um, which gave him an array of people to look through and interview. So, um, so I think that was helpful.","topics_json":"[]","vector_id":"vec_seg_95289_725","created_at":"2026-10-31T07:37:17Z","speaker_name":"Kim Hawkins"},{"id":"seg_95289_726","meeting_id":"95289","media_asset_id":"med_95289_f20119687f337fb8","agenda_item_id":null,"speaker_id":"spk_95289_kim_hawkins","speaker_confidence":0.9,"start_sec":10203.66,"end_sec":10210.05,"text":"Um, and again, posting these positions, we're going to have people apply, especially at the rate in which we're paying. Um, is it low? 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These studies cost a little more than $1.4 million in the last 5 years, and that doesn't count the studies that DelDOT paid for directly because they already had an existing task order. So, let's just for round numbers say that that was a million and a half. The cost to the City of Dover was less than $10,000. DDP contributed $20,000, and KEP contributed $35,000 to that million and a half dollars worth of work. Again, I'm just going to leave you with the premise that you have a lot of really good transportation planning. You have a lot of really good ordinances, you have a lot of really good comprehensive plan, uh you have a lot of really good stuff. The step is to have a strategic approach to figuring out how to implement that stuff, how to start making the investment, and how to implement those things. Um I'm sure you've all heard that that cliche about death by a thousand cuts, right? Well, I think we have to put a more positive spin on that cuz that's not a pleasant thing, but I think we need to think about um when we're thinking say for example, the downtown, transforming downtown Dover. Um it's about walkable, dense, economic development and all those things that we want.","topics_json":"[\"budget\",\"business\",\"zoning\"]","vector_id":"vec_seg_95289_73","created_at":"2026-10-31T07:37:16Z","speaker_name":"Marilyn Smith"},{"id":"seg_95289_730","meeting_id":"95289","media_asset_id":"med_95289_f20119687f337fb8","agenda_item_id":null,"speaker_id":"spk_95289_irene_poole","speaker_confidence":1,"start_sec":10223.55,"end_sec":10231.08,"text":"scale, where these these rates are going to go up. Um and so that needs to be taken into consideration with this person as well.","topics_json":"[\"budget\"]","vector_id":"vec_seg_95289_730","created_at":"2026-10-31T07:37:18Z","speaker_name":"Irene Poole"},{"id":"seg_95289_731","meeting_id":"95289","media_asset_id":"med_95289_f20119687f337fb8","agenda_item_id":null,"speaker_id":"off_brian_e_lewis","speaker_confidence":1,"start_sec":10231.51,"end_sec":10251.98,"text":"Uh Understood. Um and I have one more question, and if you feel uncomfortable answering it, then you can let me know, and uh I would have no problem with that. Um do you feel that um by giving one person a $30,000 increase uh when we have other positions in the city that are hard to fill or need increases could possibly cause some morale issues? And I'm asking you that because you're our HR director.","topics_json":"[\"budget\"]","vector_id":"vec_seg_95289_731","created_at":"2026-10-31T07:37:18Z","speaker_name":"Brian E. Lewis"},{"id":"seg_95289_732","meeting_id":"95289","media_asset_id":"med_95289_f20119687f337fb8","agenda_item_id":null,"speaker_id":"spk_95289_irene_poole","speaker_confidence":1,"start_sec":10252.34,"end_sec":10369.19,"text":"Certainly. Um I don't think the the could, it it will. Um I think it's uh absolutely unfair. I think it sets a precedence of preferential treatment. Um I believe picking out employees because you are uh I don't want to use the word scared, but you're concerned that they will leave is not a it's not a good reason. Um there should be more in retention and retaining your employees. Um I think cross-training is is really important in this specific situation because not one person holds the key to everything. Um and that should never ever be the case. Um and and to me, that's a failure in management. Management should make sure that all employees are able to pick up and um to do pieces of jobs. Um again, no one person holds a position. Everybody can be um we can find somebody to fill a position, is pretty much what I'm saying. So, no, I don't think that it's fair at all. Um I think the reason why we implemented the non-bargaining scale was the for equity. And since I started here over three years ago, I've been speaking about equity. Equity is important for all, not just for two employees.","topics_json":"[\"budget\"]","vector_id":"vec_seg_95289_732","created_at":"2026-10-31T07:37:18Z","speaker_name":"Irene Poole"},{"id":"seg_95289_733","meeting_id":"95289","media_asset_id":"med_95289_f20119687f337fb8","agenda_item_id":null,"speaker_id":"off_brian_e_lewis","speaker_confidence":1,"start_sec":10370.33,"end_sec":10373.46,"text":"Thank you, Ms. Poole, and with that, I have no further questions.","topics_json":"[\"budget\"]","vector_id":"vec_seg_95289_733","created_at":"2026-10-31T07:37:18Z","speaker_name":"Brian E. 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The certain be- be- and according to from what I understand, that um the they're the network administrator in Dover has the has a has the quals to do body-worn cams, um do CJIS work, and other spe- specific work as it relates to to police work outside","topics_json":"[\"public_safety\",\"budget\"]","vector_id":"vec_seg_95289_737","created_at":"2026-10-31T07:37:18Z","speaker_name":"Andre M. Boggerty"},{"id":"seg_95289_738","meeting_id":"95289","media_asset_id":"med_95289_f20119687f337fb8","agenda_item_id":null,"speaker_id":"off_andre_m_boggerty","speaker_confidence":0.95,"start_sec":10420.16,"end_sec":10432.54,"text":"out of the, you know, outside of Mr. Semans's role. So, I just wanted to know, did those little nu- Now, I don't want to call them little. Did those nuances sway or justify any additional movement at all?","topics_json":"[]","vector_id":"vec_seg_95289_738","created_at":"2026-10-31T07:37:18Z","speaker_name":"Andre M. Boggerty"},{"id":"seg_95289_739","meeting_id":"95289","media_asset_id":"med_95289_f20119687f337fb8","agenda_item_id":null,"speaker_id":"spk_95289_kim_hawkins","speaker_confidence":0.95,"start_sec":10432.54,"end_sec":10452.9,"text":"Not really because when you look at the job descriptions, they're pretty much the same. There's certain pieces that the City of Dover IT department will do that maybe Police IT will not do, so it kind of 10- It works out, yeah, exactly.","topics_json":"[]","vector_id":"vec_seg_95289_739","created_at":"2026-10-31T07:37:18Z","speaker_name":"Kim Hawkins"},{"id":"seg_95289_74","meeting_id":"95289","media_asset_id":"med_95289_f20119687f337fb8","agenda_item_id":null,"speaker_id":"spk_95289_marilyn_smith","speaker_confidence":0.95,"start_sec":1274.18,"end_sec":1331.18,"text":"Okay, so if we want to get to trans to to that vision of transforming downtown Dover, it's getting there by um instead of death by a thousand cuts, it's a thousand little opportunities. It's a thousand little opportunities. It's 500 ft of sidewalk there, it's a crosswalk here, it's a better entrance there, it's no, you don't get two entrances on 13 there, it's all those tiny things. When we have the opportunity to make a transportation-related decision, that then we look back and say, 'Oh, it wasn't one gigantic silver bullet. It was a thousand little things.' And I'm going to stop there and see if you have any questions.","topics_json":"[\"business\",\"zoning\"]","vector_id":"vec_seg_95289_74","created_at":"2026-10-31T07:37:16Z","speaker_name":"Marilyn Smith"},{"id":"seg_95289_740","meeting_id":"95289","media_asset_id":"med_95289_f20119687f337fb8","agenda_item_id":null,"speaker_id":"off_andre_m_boggerty","speaker_confidence":0.9,"start_sec":10452.9,"end_sec":10454.78,"text":"I got you. All right.","topics_json":"[]","vector_id":"vec_seg_95289_740","created_at":"2026-10-31T07:37:18Z","speaker_name":"Andre M. Boggerty"},{"id":"seg_95289_741","meeting_id":"95289","media_asset_id":"med_95289_f20119687f337fb8","agenda_item_id":null,"speaker_id":"off_david_l_anderson","speaker_confidence":0.95,"start_sec":10454.78,"end_sec":10458.8,"text":"Thank you. Dr. Sudler and Councilman Rocha.","topics_json":"[]","vector_id":"vec_seg_95289_741","created_at":"2026-10-31T07:37:18Z","speaker_name":"David L. Anderson"},{"id":"seg_95289_742","meeting_id":"95289","media_asset_id":"med_95289_f20119687f337fb8","agenda_item_id":null,"speaker_id":"off_gerald_l_rocha_sr","speaker_confidence":0.95,"start_sec":10458.8,"end_sec":10475.12,"text":"Uh thank you for recognizing me, uh Chairman Anderson, and if it's- I have two questions. Um one for Ms. Poole and also one for Ms. Marley. Um so I'll start with Ms. Poole since she's there. Um","topics_json":"[]","vector_id":"vec_seg_95289_742","created_at":"2026-10-31T07:37:18Z","speaker_name":"Gerald L. Rocha, Sr."},{"id":"seg_95289_743","meeting_id":"95289","media_asset_id":"med_95289_f20119687f337fb8","agenda_item_id":null,"speaker_id":"off_gerald_l_rocha_sr","speaker_confidence":0.95,"start_sec":10475.12,"end_sec":10484.04,"text":"how do you feel in regards to the no-market study was done versus comps only? Is there- How do you weigh that?","topics_json":"[\"budget\"]","vector_id":"vec_seg_95289_743","created_at":"2026-10-31T07:37:18Z","speaker_name":"Gerald L. Rocha, Sr."},{"id":"seg_95289_744","meeting_id":"95289","media_asset_id":"med_95289_f20119687f337fb8","agenda_item_id":null,"speaker_id":"spk_95289_kim_hawkins","speaker_confidence":0.95,"start_sec":10484.04,"end_sec":10529.34,"text":"Well, see, now, now we're going somewhere, okay? Market study was done in 2023, which was a great thing I think for the city, great thing for the employees.","topics_json":"[\"budget\"]","vector_id":"vec_seg_95289_744","created_at":"2026-10-31T07:37:18Z","speaker_name":"Kim Hawkins"},{"id":"seg_95289_745","meeting_id":"95289","media_asset_id":"med_95289_f20119687f337fb8","agenda_item_id":null,"speaker_id":"spk_95289_kim_hawkins","speaker_confidence":0.95,"start_sec":10529.34,"end_sec":10546.5,"text":"Um, what should have happened was the non-bargaining scale should have been implemented in or around that time um in 2024.","topics_json":"[\"budget\"]","vector_id":"vec_seg_95289_745","created_at":"2026-10-31T07:37:18Z","speaker_name":"Kim Hawkins"},{"id":"seg_95289_746","meeting_id":"95289","media_asset_id":"med_95289_f20119687f337fb8","agenda_item_id":null,"speaker_id":"spk_95289_kim_hawkins","speaker_confidence":0.95,"start_sec":10546.5,"end_sec":10559.94,"text":"And why I say that is, is that the increases would have come, which would have kept everyone at a comparable rate to our surrounding comps in the area.","topics_json":"[\"budget\"]","vector_id":"vec_seg_95289_746","created_at":"2026-10-31T07:37:18Z","speaker_name":"Kim Hawkins"},{"id":"seg_95289_747","meeting_id":"95289","media_asset_id":"med_95289_f20119687f337fb8","agenda_item_id":null,"speaker_id":"spk_95289_kim_hawkins","speaker_confidence":0.95,"start_sec":10559.94,"end_sec":10571,"text":"Um, that would have helped with compression, and that would have solved a lot of the issues that we're encountering from a salary standpoint.","topics_json":"[\"budget\"]","vector_id":"vec_seg_95289_747","created_at":"2026-10-31T07:37:18Z","speaker_name":"Kim Hawkins"},{"id":"seg_95289_748","meeting_id":"95289","media_asset_id":"med_95289_f20119687f337fb8","agenda_item_id":null,"speaker_id":"spk_95289_kim_hawkins","speaker_confidence":0.95,"start_sec":10571,"end_sec":10616.77,"text":"Um that didn't happen until most recently, and so now we're trying to play catch up with unions who are receiving 7+%, um and you have your non-bargaining employees that are making less than their subordinates. 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How would this impact that initiative?","topics_json":"[\"budget\"]","vector_id":"vec_seg_95289_749","created_at":"2026-10-31T07:37:18Z","speaker_name":"Gerald L. Rocha, Sr."},{"id":"seg_95289_75","meeting_id":"95289","media_asset_id":"med_95289_f20119687f337fb8","agenda_item_id":null,"speaker_id":"off_roy_sudler_jr","speaker_confidence":0.85,"start_sec":1331.18,"end_sec":1340.5,"text":"Thank you. Um I understand that uh Councilman Rocha has a question, and then immediately after Councilman Rocha, I see Councilwoman Arndt has a question. So, Councilman Rocha?","topics_json":"[]","vector_id":"vec_seg_95289_75","created_at":"2026-10-31T07:37:16Z","speaker_name":"Roy Sudler, Jr."},{"id":"seg_95289_750","meeting_id":"95289","media_asset_id":"med_95289_f20119687f337fb8","agenda_item_id":null,"speaker_id":"spk_95289_kim_hawkins","speaker_confidence":0.95,"start_sec":10603.98,"end_sec":10616.76,"text":"It will impact that because we have a policy in place. Anyone who receives uh any sort of a promotion gets a 5% increase or the start of the new grade, whichever one is highest.","topics_json":"[\"budget\"]","vector_id":"vec_seg_95289_750","created_at":"2026-10-31T07:37:18Z","speaker_name":"Kim Hawkins"},{"id":"seg_95289_751","meeting_id":"95289","media_asset_id":"med_95289_f20119687f337fb8","agenda_item_id":null,"speaker_id":"spk_95289_irene_poole","speaker_confidence":0.95,"start_sec":10616.77,"end_sec":10646.17,"text":"Um, implementing this $30,000 increase bypasses the internal policies that we have here, and how fair is that? That creates liability. Um, that's that's not sustainable. So, um, so I you know, HR, we're about compliance and we're about following policy and procedure, and when you start going left from that, I'm I'm not going to be in agreement with that at all.","topics_json":"[\"budget\"]","vector_id":"vec_seg_95289_751","created_at":"2026-10-31T07:37:18Z","speaker_name":"Irene Poole"},{"id":"seg_95289_752","meeting_id":"95289","media_asset_id":"med_95289_f20119687f337fb8","agenda_item_id":null,"speaker_id":"off_roy_sudler_jr","speaker_confidence":0.95,"start_sec":10646.57,"end_sec":10655.67,"text":"Thank you for your feedback. I would now if the Chair if you can, um, ask Ms. Marney. And thank you, Ms. Poole, for being here this evening and providing us with the expert knowledge in which you have.","topics_json":"[]","vector_id":"vec_seg_95289_752","created_at":"2026-10-31T07:37:18Z","speaker_name":"Roy Sudler, Jr."},{"id":"seg_95289_753","meeting_id":"95289","media_asset_id":"med_95289_f20119687f337fb8","agenda_item_id":null,"speaker_id":"spk_95289_irene_poole","speaker_confidence":0.95,"start_sec":10655.67,"end_sec":10656.57,"text":"Thank you.","topics_json":"[]","vector_id":"vec_seg_95289_753","created_at":"2026-10-31T07:37:18Z","speaker_name":"Irene Poole"},{"id":"seg_95289_754","meeting_id":"95289","media_asset_id":"med_95289_f20119687f337fb8","agenda_item_id":null,"speaker_id":"off_roy_sudler_jr","speaker_confidence":0.95,"start_sec":10656.57,"end_sec":10657.97,"text":"Thank you.","topics_json":"[]","vector_id":"vec_seg_95289_754","created_at":"2026-10-31T07:37:18Z","speaker_name":"Roy Sudler, Jr."},{"id":"seg_95289_755","meeting_id":"95289","media_asset_id":"med_95289_f20119687f337fb8","agenda_item_id":null,"speaker_id":"spk_95289_patricia_marney","speaker_confidence":0.95,"start_sec":10661.87,"end_sec":10664.47,"text":"Patricia Marney, Controller/Treasurer. How may I help you?","topics_json":"[\"budget\"]","vector_id":"vec_seg_95289_755","created_at":"2026-10-31T07:37:18Z","speaker_name":"Patricia Marney"},{"id":"seg_95289_756","meeting_id":"95289","media_asset_id":"med_95289_f20119687f337fb8","agenda_item_id":null,"speaker_id":"off_roy_sudler_jr","speaker_confidence":0.95,"start_sec":10664.77,"end_sec":10669.57,"text":"Just what is your viewpoint in regards to the budget? The um, you know...","topics_json":"[\"budget\"]","vector_id":"vec_seg_95289_756","created_at":"2026-10-31T07:37:18Z","speaker_name":"Roy Sudler, Jr."},{"id":"seg_95289_757","meeting_id":"95289","media_asset_id":"med_95289_f20119687f337fb8","agenda_item_id":null,"speaker_id":"spk_95289_patricia_marney","speaker_confidence":0.95,"start_sec":10669.77,"end_sec":10801.67,"text":"So, uh, obviously it's going to impact the budget. I did take some time uh this afternoon to take a look at both the police and IT budget and where they stand percentagewise for salary thus far this year. Um, and again, I have bad eyes, so bear with me. Uh, it it I'll give you some comparators. At the end of fiscal year 25, which we are still working through audit process, the uh the budget line item for the police department where this position will fall was over budget by five nearly 5%, it was 4.8%. Where we are today for this budget line item, uh for salaries for the police department, they have used nearly 40% of their budget. Now, to Chief's point, he uh has not filled the director's position, it is a possibility that they could use some salary savings from that position to fund this increase. So keep that in mind, aside from everything else that has been mentioned tonight. But there is a possibility, depending on what uh the individual decides for benefits and things of that nature, that it will impact the budget further. Okay? And that's not just this year, that's going into the future, too. All right? Now as far as IT is concerned for their salary line budget, they were over budget last year about 1%. Fiscal year 25, and again, those are unaudited numbers, we're working through the audit process right now. Thus far this year, they've used 33% of their budget. So, they will have some salary savings from positions that were open and not filled up until this point, but not to a to the degree that would need to qualify. Okay?","topics_json":"[\"budget\",\"public_safety\"]","vector_id":"vec_seg_95289_757","created_at":"2026-10-31T07:37:18Z","speaker_name":"Patricia Marney"},{"id":"seg_95289_758","meeting_id":"95289","media_asset_id":"med_95289_f20119687f337fb8","agenda_item_id":null,"speaker_id":"off_roy_sudler_jr","speaker_confidence":0.95,"start_sec":10801.77,"end_sec":10806.97,"text":"Thank you for accommodating, I yield. Thank you Chairman Anderson for recognizing me, I yield.","topics_json":"[]","vector_id":"vec_seg_95289_758","created_at":"2026-10-31T07:37:18Z","speaker_name":"Roy Sudler, Jr."},{"id":"seg_95289_759","meeting_id":"95289","media_asset_id":"med_95289_f20119687f337fb8","agenda_item_id":null,"speaker_id":"off_david_l_anderson","speaker_confidence":0.95,"start_sec":10807.27,"end_sec":10809.27,"text":"Thank you. Uh...","topics_json":"[]","vector_id":"vec_seg_95289_759","created_at":"2026-10-31T07:37:18Z","speaker_name":"David L. Anderson"},{"id":"seg_95289_76","meeting_id":"95289","media_asset_id":"med_95289_f20119687f337fb8","agenda_item_id":null,"speaker_id":"off_gerald_l_rocha_sr","speaker_confidence":0.95,"start_sec":1340.5,"end_sec":1362.1,"text":"Yes, um thank you, Mr. Chair. Um I I just wanted to make a statement in regards that um brought up the idea of the comprehensive plan um that that originally my first statement was in reference to DelDOT. Not necessarily to call weight on the MPO. So Marilyn, I I wondered if you think that uh that I was pointing the finger at at the MPO.","topics_json":"[\"zoning\"]","vector_id":"vec_seg_95289_76","created_at":"2026-10-31T07:37:16Z","speaker_name":"Gerald L. Rocha, Sr."},{"id":"seg_95289_760","meeting_id":"95289","media_asset_id":"med_95289_f20119687f337fb8","agenda_item_id":null,"speaker_id":"spk_95289_patricia_marney","speaker_confidence":0.95,"start_sec":10809.37,"end_sec":10810.87,"text":"Any other questions before I...","topics_json":"[]","vector_id":"vec_seg_95289_760","created_at":"2026-10-31T07:37:18Z","speaker_name":"Patricia Marney"},{"id":"seg_95289_761","meeting_id":"95289","media_asset_id":"med_95289_f20119687f337fb8","agenda_item_id":null,"speaker_id":"off_david_l_anderson","speaker_confidence":0.95,"start_sec":10810.97,"end_sec":10813.37,"text":"I I will uh a little bit later.","topics_json":"[]","vector_id":"vec_seg_95289_761","created_at":"2026-10-31T07:37:18Z","speaker_name":"David L. 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Rocha, Sr."},{"id":"seg_95289_764","meeting_id":"95289","media_asset_id":"med_95289_f20119687f337fb8","agenda_item_id":null,"speaker_id":"off_david_l_anderson","speaker_confidence":0.95,"start_sec":10828.57,"end_sec":10831.37,"text":"Do you want to uh ask a question?","topics_json":"[]","vector_id":"vec_seg_95289_764","created_at":"2026-10-31T07:37:18Z","speaker_name":"David L. Anderson"},{"id":"seg_95289_765","meeting_id":"95289","media_asset_id":"med_95289_f20119687f337fb8","agenda_item_id":null,"speaker_id":"off_gerald_l_rocha_sr","speaker_confidence":0.95,"start_sec":10833.27,"end_sec":10933.77,"text":"Uh yeah. Thank you um Councilman Anderson. Um, and most of my questions were were answered, uh in particularly uh when uh Councilman Boggerty pointed out the uniqueness of the position. But uh in listening to Ms. Poole's answer, um it sounded to me like the job description really I don't know if it did or did not point out the uniqueness cuz, you know, if we're was that even considered in the writing of the job description? I guess I want to ask the chief, when it comes to this position, and then do the other municipalities that have the same position under the police department, is their positions equal to or comparable to an IT position for the rest, you know, for their other IT for that municipality, if that makes sense?","topics_json":"[\"public_safety\"]","vector_id":"vec_seg_95289_765","created_at":"2026-10-31T07:37:18Z","speaker_name":"Gerald L. Rocha, Sr."},{"id":"seg_95289_766","meeting_id":"95289","media_asset_id":"med_95289_f20119687f337fb8","agenda_item_id":null,"speaker_id":"spk_95289_tom_johnson","speaker_confidence":0.95,"start_sec":10934.57,"end_sec":10954.57,"text":"Uh, for the record, Tom Johnson uh again, uh from the Police Department. Uh, Councilman Rocha, are um are you are you asking me if um the other positions are comparable job descriptions and comparable locations under the umbrella of their municipal governments? Did Did I understand that to be the question?","topics_json":"[\"public_safety\"]","vector_id":"vec_seg_95289_766","created_at":"2026-10-31T07:37:18Z","speaker_name":"Tom Johnson"},{"id":"seg_95289_767","meeting_id":"95289","media_asset_id":"med_95289_f20119687f337fb8","agenda_item_id":null,"speaker_id":"off_gerald_l_rocha_sr","speaker_confidence":0.95,"start_sec":10955.47,"end_sec":11009.98,"text":"Well, I'm trying I'm trying to determine whether or not the position that you're referring to, under the uh police department, because of the uniqueness of, you know, working with body cam software, stuff like that, excuse me, um would justify a different job description.","topics_json":"[\"public_safety\"]","vector_id":"vec_seg_95289_767","created_at":"2026-10-31T07:37:18Z","speaker_name":"Gerald L. Rocha, Sr."},{"id":"seg_95289_768","meeting_id":"95289","media_asset_id":"med_95289_f20119687f337fb8","agenda_item_id":null,"speaker_id":"spk_95289_tom_johnson","speaker_confidence":0.95,"start_sec":11009.98,"end_sec":11009.98,"text":"I I guess the best way, sir, that I could answer that to you is we reviewed the job description um when the position became vacant and found that it did not reflect the current duties and responsibilities of the position, and we went about the business and and working with HR to try and make sure that it was in the proper format and was reflective of the position that we were trying to fill. Once the um drastic difference in salary came to my attention and I looked at the other nearby municipalities that had similar positions. Not every municipality has an IT structure that really lends itself to a direct comparison because they might only have one person, or they might have two people and there's no middle management position, some places it's a co-responsibility of an existing officer, some places use a contracted service. So depending on where you go to try and compare um what the correct value is. Um so when it was suggested to","topics_json":"[\"budget\",\"public_safety\"]","vector_id":"vec_seg_95289_768","created_at":"2026-10-31T07:37:18Z","speaker_name":"Tom Johnson"},{"id":"seg_95289_769","meeting_id":"95289","media_asset_id":"med_95289_f20119687f337fb8","agenda_item_id":null,"speaker_id":"spk_95289_thomas_johnson","speaker_confidence":0.95,"start_sec":11009.98,"end_sec":11134.58,"text":"to me that similar positions and that it ended up being Milford and Newark when we put those job descriptions which I um submitted to um City Administration in my um memo of September 30th. Um It was felt that those were comparable job descriptions as far as the things that they were responsible for. The hard part about being spot-on exact is neither Milford or No, I take that back. Um One of the two had a 911 center, the other one didn't. Uh so we have a public safety answering uh point here and our IT folks, in addition to servicing the the police department operations, they facilitate 911 operations, and that has its own uh separate set of technologies. I don't believe um either other municipality, there was no comparable as far as the city-wide camera system and us being the liaison technology resource for 300-plus city-wide cameras um that are in operation uh around town that we utilize uh for public safety purposes. So there was enough cross-over I guess to uh speak um I'm not sure who mentioned it before, none of them are identical, but on weight, if you subtract one thing that's unique to one place and you add something in that's unique to the other, on balance we felt that those positions were on balance the same way we felt that the um when Director Simmons and I spoke, we felt internally our two network administrator roles um were on balance. So that's where um w- when it comes to um the idea of this being equitable and this being in line with market conditions, I only know what I know from doing the research that I did when the position became available after I went around went about the housekeeping business of making sure that we were going to be comparing apples to apples and not dissimilar um fruit, if you will.","topics_json":"[\"budget\",\"public_safety\"]","vector_id":"vec_seg_95289_769","created_at":"2026-10-31T07:37:18Z","speaker_name":"Thomas Johnson"},{"id":"seg_95289_77","meeting_id":"95289","media_asset_id":"med_95289_f20119687f337fb8","agenda_item_id":null,"speaker_id":"spk_95289_marilyn_smith","speaker_confidence":0.95,"start_sec":1362.1,"end_sec":1363.31,"text":"Of course not.","topics_json":"[]","vector_id":"vec_seg_95289_77","created_at":"2026-10-31T07:37:16Z","speaker_name":"Marilyn Smith"},{"id":"seg_95289_770","meeting_id":"95289","media_asset_id":"med_95289_f20119687f337fb8","agenda_item_id":null,"speaker_id":"off_andre_m_boggerty","speaker_confidence":0.85,"start_sec":11134.58,"end_sec":11149.58,"text":"And how many are in the department? I think you said you were at two, or is there more than that uh as far as the uh you know, those that are pitching in and doing the work?","topics_json":"[\"public_safety\"]","vector_id":"vec_seg_95289_770","created_at":"2026-10-31T07:37:18Z","speaker_name":"Andre M. Boggerty"},{"id":"seg_95289_771","meeting_id":"95289","media_asset_id":"med_95289_f20119687f337fb8","agenda_item_id":null,"speaker_id":"spk_95289_thomas_johnson","speaker_confidence":0.95,"start_sec":11149.58,"end_sec":11182.58,"text":"My par level is two. I have an AFSCME LAN analyst that has been the acting senior LAN analyst in a non-bargaining role um with a 5% um temporary adjustment to his pay, and to keep us in good working order, uh I believe the last time uh I checked, uh he's somewhere around 15 to 18 hours of overtime each pay period uh to make sure that we don't suffer a a setback in a critical function or a critical piece of equipment.","topics_json":"[\"budget\",\"public_safety\"]","vector_id":"vec_seg_95289_771","created_at":"2026-10-31T07:37:18Z","speaker_name":"Thomas Johnson"},{"id":"seg_95289_772","meeting_id":"95289","media_asset_id":"med_95289_f20119687f337fb8","agenda_item_id":null,"speaker_id":"off_andre_m_boggerty","speaker_confidence":0.85,"start_sec":11182.58,"end_sec":11188.58,"text":"All right. Thank Thank you, Chief. Uh I I yield uh Councilman Anderson.","topics_json":"[]","vector_id":"vec_seg_95289_772","created_at":"2026-10-31T07:37:18Z","speaker_name":"Andre M. Boggerty"},{"id":"seg_95289_773","meeting_id":"95289","media_asset_id":"med_95289_f20119687f337fb8","agenda_item_id":null,"speaker_id":"off_david_l_anderson","speaker_confidence":0.95,"start_sec":11188.58,"end_sec":11206.58,"text":"Thank you. And um all right. Let's Let's get the uh staff. Is anyone What are your fi- final thoughts? Chief, you're there if you","topics_json":"[]","vector_id":"vec_seg_95289_773","created_at":"2026-10-31T07:37:18Z","speaker_name":"David L. Anderson"},{"id":"seg_95289_774","meeting_id":"95289","media_asset_id":"med_95289_f20119687f337fb8","agenda_item_id":null,"speaker_id":"off_gerald_l_rocha_sr","speaker_confidence":0.85,"start_sec":11206.59,"end_sec":11209.79,"text":"want to give your response, Chief Johnson, if you have any?","topics_json":"[\"public_safety\"]","vector_id":"vec_seg_95289_774","created_at":"2026-10-31T07:37:18Z","speaker_name":"Gerald L. Rocha, Sr."},{"id":"seg_95289_775","meeting_id":"95289","media_asset_id":"med_95289_f20119687f337fb8","agenda_item_id":null,"speaker_id":"spk_95289_thomas_johnson","speaker_confidence":0.95,"start_sec":11209.79,"end_sec":11403.19,"text":"Sure. Um, Mr. Chair, Council, I I did not bring this um issue to you lightly, and the only other context that I would give you is over the last four years, every time a situation came across my desk um that was related to um equity and value related to a position, and I could and they all took different paths depending on when they happened, how they had them, and what and how they happened, and what they were. But we've been able to get this accomplished with my 911 Center Director, my executive assistant, the social services clinician who's our licensed clinical social worker and her professional pedigree, my resource manager and him being hired in from the outside and making sure that we could find our way to an offer that recognized hit you know, his particular skill set that was very specific to policing, so we could make it an equitable hire at an equitable salary. I championed for all those employees because after evaluation, it was the right thing to do. The thing that I maybe on balance I don't get credit for is the number of times that I look sat at someone and said, \"No. This doesn't fit the criteria, and I'm not taking this any further because that's out of balance. You're You're asking me to make a move on something that's not a direct comparable. If you're upset about this particular issue with this particular employee, then go to their school, join their profession, and when the market for that profession moves, then you would absolutely be entitled to equal consideration. But if you're practicing a different profession, if you're practicing in a different in a different place or in a different zone of your choice, when that's not fair anymore, you come see me and I'll go and fight for that.\" In this particular case, I did the research independent of my subordinate. I felt that he had a point. I'm not ready to endorse the ask that he made, but I am ready to endorse the number that I arrived at that would get him in the ballpark with his peers in Delaware in similar job descriptions. And I'm not going to do for the other five or six over the last four years and not come to you. I know it's inconvenient. I know there's a lot of pressure on Council as it relates to dollars and cents, but as it goes to 400 Queen Street, if I don't fight for everybody the same way, I have a morale problem inside my building. And I'm just coming to you in similar fashion and making sure that you know that I did my due diligence, and I have the capacity to say no, and I have said no. In this particular case, I felt this was justified with every last respect to the other individuals, uh particularly when uh one of my positions hasn't drawn a dollar in salary all budget year so far because he hasn't been there to do it. And if I switch this staff member from his frontline position to his management position, I'm going to be saving salary in his zone until I can replace him. And that's going to take longer than a couple of weeks because our background investigation is much deeper and our processes are much longer than hiring an employee in any other city department. And that doesn't make us special, that just makes us different because of the nature of the work that we do. And I appreciate everybody's time and","topics_json":"[\"budget\",\"public_safety\"]","vector_id":"vec_seg_95289_775","created_at":"2026-10-31T07:37:18Z","speaker_name":"Thomas Johnson"},{"id":"seg_95289_776","meeting_id":"95289","media_asset_id":"med_95289_f20119687f337fb8","agenda_item_id":null,"speaker_id":"spk_95289_thomas_johnson","speaker_confidence":0.95,"start_sec":11403.19,"end_sec":11518.79,"text":"in consideration. I know this is not an easy topic for you to absorb tonight because this position hadn't been looked at it so in so long, it makes the dollars look more dramatic. And I feel bad because that's probably a little unfair to the candidate that's caught in the middle. And I also feel that the parity that might be available to Mr. Simmons' employee is probably just as justified, but to explain how he got where he got in the circumstance that he did might cross those lines that Mr. Anderson pointed out that we can't touch in open session as to a particular why for a particular employee. So I'm going to stop short of crossing that boundary. Um I just wanted I'm leaving you with the idea that I don't take this lightly and I'm not trying to insult your intelligence and I'm not trying to disrespect the community that's in the room, um because sometimes we just don't tend to business. Uh and some of that's my fault, cuz I did not proactively ask the existing Senior LAN Analyst where where where's your position at? Why haven't you been bugging me um for for the things that you probably should have been bugging me for? I I would have to try and figure out how to get in his mind and why he never raised the issue to me beforehand. But the issue was discovered while I'm trying to address an unplanned vacancy. It's not because I'm trying to give you a headache in the middle of November.","topics_json":"[\"budget\",\"public_safety\"]","vector_id":"vec_seg_95289_776","created_at":"2026-10-31T07:37:18Z","speaker_name":"Thomas Johnson"},{"id":"seg_95289_777","meeting_id":"95289","media_asset_id":"med_95289_f20119687f337fb8","agenda_item_id":null,"speaker_id":"spk_95289_council_president","speaker_confidence":0.7,"start_sec":11521.19,"end_sec":11523.89,"text":"Dr. Sudler.","topics_json":"[]","vector_id":"vec_seg_95289_777","created_at":"2026-10-31T07:37:18Z","speaker_name":null},{"id":"seg_95289_778","meeting_id":"95289","media_asset_id":"med_95289_f20119687f337fb8","agenda_item_id":null,"speaker_id":"off_roy_sudler_jr","speaker_confidence":1,"start_sec":11524.39,"end_sec":11599.79,"text":"Thank you. And it's not a a question or anything that you uh need to answer. Uh it's more like say a statement, and I do have a motion to make, and before I make my motion, I do want to say that, um, you know, I appreciate you bringing this forth. Um, and I appreciate the fact that, you know, you said, well maybe it's some accountability because we all have accountabilities that we have to take in life, period. So I appreciate that. Um, before I make my motion, I'm I'm going to tell you where it's coming from. I think that, um, maybe it'd be more beneficial, uh, all the way around that maybe we have you to link up with the, um, HR director and maybe repost it externally, uh, to see what we, you know, what type of pool we get, and then go from there and and and revisit, you know, um, what we have then. Cuz I think, like you said, it's a little unfair that you're here at this point, for not only the candidate, but also for us, looking at budgetary issues and hikes in taxes, I mean not taxes, but you know, electric bills, and just trying to be good stewards, period. Um, but also trying to get the job done, right? Trying to make sure we have what we need to do as proficient job. So I would offer, I'm I'm going to make a motion that that uh we have, you know, the Chief of Police to um coordinate with or work with HR department to externally um post the job and and and see where we are with a pool of people. Maybe post it maybe for 30 to 60 days, um and see where","topics_json":"[\"budget\",\"public_safety\"]","vector_id":"vec_seg_95289_778","created_at":"2026-10-31T07:37:18Z","speaker_name":"Roy Sudler, Jr."},{"id":"seg_95289_779","meeting_id":"95289","media_asset_id":"med_95289_f20119687f337fb8","agenda_item_id":null,"speaker_id":"off_andre_m_boggerty","speaker_confidence":1,"start_sec":11599.8,"end_sec":11610.1,"text":"we are, and then have this revisited and brought back to this committee uh for further discussion or consideration. I think that would be a little fair.","topics_json":"[]","vector_id":"vec_seg_95289_779","created_at":"2026-10-31T07:37:18Z","speaker_name":"Andre M. 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","topics_json":"[]","vector_id":"vec_seg_95289_780","created_at":"2026-10-31T07:37:18Z","speaker_name":"Roy Sudler, Jr."},{"id":"seg_95289_781","meeting_id":"95289","media_asset_id":"med_95289_f20119687f337fb8","agenda_item_id":null,"speaker_id":"off_brian_e_lewis","speaker_confidence":1,"start_sec":11612.6,"end_sec":11613.9,"text":"Second.","topics_json":"[]","vector_id":"vec_seg_95289_781","created_at":"2026-10-31T07:37:18Z","speaker_name":"Brian E. Lewis"},{"id":"seg_95289_782","meeting_id":"95289","media_asset_id":"med_95289_f20119687f337fb8","agenda_item_id":null,"speaker_id":"off_roy_sudler_jr","speaker_confidence":1,"start_sec":11614.3,"end_sec":11635.6,"text":"Moved and seconded to uh work with HR to repost the position and uh do we uh, did did I do I just have a question about that, Mr. Mayor, you're recognized.","topics_json":"[]","vector_id":"vec_seg_95289_782","created_at":"2026-10-31T07:37:18Z","speaker_name":"Roy Sudler, Jr."},{"id":"seg_95289_783","meeting_id":"95289","media_asset_id":"med_95289_f20119687f337fb8","agenda_item_id":null,"speaker_id":"off_andre_m_boggerty","speaker_confidence":1,"start_sec":11637.1,"end_sec":11640.3,"text":"So are we in discussion now? Has it been properly moved? Okay.","topics_json":"[]","vector_id":"vec_seg_95289_783","created_at":"2026-10-31T07:37:18Z","speaker_name":"Andre M. Boggerty"},{"id":"seg_95289_784","meeting_id":"95289","media_asset_id":"med_95289_f20119687f337fb8","agenda_item_id":null,"speaker_id":"off_roy_sudler_jr","speaker_confidence":1,"start_sec":11640.5,"end_sec":11642.8,"text":"Discussion, it's been moved and seconded.","topics_json":"[]","vector_id":"vec_seg_95289_784","created_at":"2026-10-31T07:37:18Z","speaker_name":"Roy Sudler, Jr."},{"id":"seg_95289_785","meeting_id":"95289","media_asset_id":"med_95289_f20119687f337fb8","agenda_item_id":null,"speaker_id":"off_andre_m_boggerty","speaker_confidence":1,"start_sec":11642.9,"end_sec":11643.9,"text":"Okay. Thank you.","topics_json":"[]","vector_id":"vec_seg_95289_785","created_at":"2026-10-31T07:37:18Z","speaker_name":"Andre M. Boggerty"},{"id":"seg_95289_786","meeting_id":"95289","media_asset_id":"med_95289_f20119687f337fb8","agenda_item_id":null,"speaker_id":"off_roy_sudler_jr","speaker_confidence":1,"start_sec":11646.6,"end_sec":11648.5,"text":"Mr. Mayor, you're recognized.","topics_json":"[]","vector_id":"vec_seg_95289_786","created_at":"2026-10-31T07:37:18Z","speaker_name":"Roy Sudler, Jr."},{"id":"seg_95289_787","meeting_id":"95289","media_asset_id":"med_95289_f20119687f337fb8","agenda_item_id":null,"speaker_id":"off_robin_r_christiansen","speaker_confidence":1,"start_sec":11649.1,"end_sec":11705.1,"text":"Thank you, Mr. Chairman. Chief uh, if we do not approve this, what would the consequences be realistically? And you don't have to sugarcoat it.","topics_json":"[\"public_safety\"]","vector_id":"vec_seg_95289_787","created_at":"2026-10-31T07:37:18Z","speaker_name":"Robin R. Christiansen"},{"id":"seg_95289_788","meeting_id":"95289","media_asset_id":"med_95289_f20119687f337fb8","agenda_item_id":null,"speaker_id":"spk_95289_thomas_johnson","speaker_confidence":0.95,"start_sec":11705.9,"end_sec":11796.4,"text":"Well, um, Mr. Mayor, it's a very difficult question to answer because as much as I'm advocating for what I put in front of council, I do not make it a habit of being an alarmist. And I also don't make it a habit of deciding what I think other people would do, and I'm also worried that my words might influence. Um, just to to make council aware the employee is in the room and if I was to somehow be interpreted as over exaggerating the consequences, we're going to be in a bad way. But being in a bad way is the presumption because I haven't had a chance to talk to him about how he feels about continuing his role while we sample other options and parade them in front of him for the job that he's already earned. And how he would look at that as an existing tenured eight-year Dover employee as to how he's valued at. Well we value you, but we want to comparison shop one more time, and no disrespect to Dr. Sudler's motion, I'm thinking about the my individual employee right now and what message that that sends him. And I'm saying that because I think it might contribute to the answer to the mayor's question of what do I feel the impact is going to be? Um, it would be only conjecture, but I just know that the employee had original plans to move on. I asked him to stay and participate in the process for the best interest of the police department. By default he had some interest in that. But it's the best interest of the police department would be to retain some institutional knowledge, somebody to train the next person coming along, because there's no guarantee that in two years he doesn't get a phenomenal offer from the private sector and then even though he got the promotion, he still might decide to go. I can't predict into the future, and I can't predict how he'll react to tonight's council action, and that's what makes it hard for me, Mr. Mayor, to answer your question about what I think is going to happen next. Because I don't even want to look at him. Because I don't want to precipitate um any ki- any kind of signal that I might misinterpret.","topics_json":"[\"public_safety\"]","vector_id":"vec_seg_95289_788","created_at":"2026-10-31T07:37:18Z","speaker_name":"Thomas Johnson"},{"id":"seg_95289_789","meeting_id":"95289","media_asset_id":"med_95289_f20119687f337fb8","agenda_item_id":null,"speaker_id":"off_brian_e_lewis","speaker_confidence":1,"start_sec":11796.41,"end_sec":11801.91,"text":"I appreciate your answer. Is there contingency just in case?","topics_json":"[]","vector_id":"vec_seg_95289_789","created_at":"2026-10-31T07:37:18Z","speaker_name":"Brian E. Lewis"},{"id":"seg_95289_79","meeting_id":"95289","media_asset_id":"med_95289_f20119687f337fb8","agenda_item_id":null,"speaker_id":"off_gerald_l_rocha_sr","speaker_confidence":0.95,"start_sec":1376.25,"end_sec":1454.25,"text":"highways if you will, to like 301 and stuff like that. Um as we grow, how do we keep up with providing relief in traffic uh on a long-term basis? Not to knock any of the work that's already been done. Um you know within the city of course, you guys have uh done you know a lot of great studies, particularly Salisbury, you know in my area, and Kenton Road, and things of that nature, but by by no means, but just something for us as a council to think about and get educated on so that we're able to make good decisions when it comes to transportation in the future, and I'm sure the MPO will help us assist with that. And I would definitely uh like to be a participant in a workshop as well. Um you know, so, you know, I um but by no means did it did it did did I intend on putting all the weight on the MPO as much as DelDOT and our colleagues on the council when it comes to thinking about you know how we are going to as our population grows uh to that effect. And with that, I yield.","topics_json":"[]","vector_id":"vec_seg_95289_79","created_at":"2026-10-31T07:37:16Z","speaker_name":"Gerald L. Rocha, Sr."},{"id":"seg_95289_790","meeting_id":"95289","media_asset_id":"med_95289_f20119687f337fb8","agenda_item_id":null,"speaker_id":"spk_95289_city_staff","speaker_confidence":0.9,"start_sec":11802.51,"end_sec":11906.31,"text":"Uh, as I mentioned in the earlier, um, I have state-level resources, and if I called the state and said, look, all the stuff that's state-centric that you have to approve who touches that, I need you to send me somebody, and I'm going to conduct a fire drill and try and and find somebody to come in and and handle business. Um, in addition, I have no doubt to the degree workstation management, um, and other basic computer functions, I have no doubt that, um, somebody from Mr. Simmons's office could come over, but they would have to be escorted throughout the entire building, um, and someone would have to sit with them while they were there. And just as another note, we have volume demands right now that compelled me to put in for a third position in the FY27 budget. That's how many devices, that's how many daily tasks. I would be monopolizing one of Mr. Simmons's uh employees for a considerable amount of time. But I don't want to say anything more than that cuz I don't want to come across as alarmist, but it would be a significant lift.","topics_json":"[\"budget\"]","vector_id":"vec_seg_95289_790","created_at":"2026-10-31T07:37:18Z","speaker_name":null},{"id":"seg_95289_791","meeting_id":"95289","media_asset_id":"med_95289_f20119687f337fb8","agenda_item_id":null,"speaker_id":"off_brian_e_lewis","speaker_confidence":1,"start_sec":11906.61,"end_sec":11911.01,"text":"I didn't mean to put you on the spot, but I appreciate your candor. I yield, uh, Mr. President.","topics_json":"[]","vector_id":"vec_seg_95289_791","created_at":"2026-10-31T07:37:18Z","speaker_name":"Brian E. 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Boggerty"},{"id":"seg_95289_794","meeting_id":"95289","media_asset_id":"med_95289_f20119687f337fb8","agenda_item_id":null,"speaker_id":"spk_95289_city_staff","speaker_confidence":0.9,"start_sec":11922.71,"end_sec":11930.61,"text":"The job was offered, the employee countered at a range beyond what any of us can do without council's approval,","topics_json":"[\"budget\"]","vector_id":"vec_seg_95289_794","created_at":"2026-10-31T07:37:18Z","speaker_name":null},{"id":"seg_95289_795","meeting_id":"95289","media_asset_id":"med_95289_f20119687f337fb8","agenda_item_id":null,"speaker_id":"off_andre_m_boggerty","speaker_confidence":1,"start_sec":11930.71,"end_sec":11931.41,"text":"Right. Okay.","topics_json":"[]","vector_id":"vec_seg_95289_795","created_at":"2026-10-31T07:37:18Z","speaker_name":"Andre M. Boggerty"},{"id":"seg_95289_796","meeting_id":"95289","media_asset_id":"med_95289_f20119687f337fb8","agenda_item_id":null,"speaker_id":"spk_95289_city_staff","speaker_confidence":0.9,"start_sec":11931.51,"end_sec":11937.91,"text":"and we've been waiting to get on a council agenda, so we can figure out what the reply to the employee's counter would be.","topics_json":"[\"budget\"]","vector_id":"vec_seg_95289_796","created_at":"2026-10-31T07:37:18Z","speaker_name":null},{"id":"seg_95289_797","meeting_id":"95289","media_asset_id":"med_95289_f20119687f337fb8","agenda_item_id":null,"speaker_id":"off_andre_m_boggerty","speaker_confidence":1,"start_sec":11938.21,"end_sec":11993.01,"text":"Okay, and I- that's what I thought, I just wanted to get it for record. I I wanted I and I dare not speak in for the entire council even in amongst our challenges, we've all said I'll speak for myself cuz I don't want to speak for everybody else, but I don't think it would be a stretch that years ago and um a few years ago that we all championed the internal movement of our staff when possible. I I I I don't think that's a far stretch that we want to reward the loyalty of the employees who stayed with us through some crazy, crazy times, right? Through the times when we had to do salary analysis and adjustments and any other thing. My the issue is not retaining the the employee, the issue is proper- properly compensating the employee within a reason and within the scope that that's kind of realistic. I I don't know and I I just don't know where a 30% increase happens in in in this sector, especially government. Again, I'm not opposed, I me- myself Councilman Boggerty, I'm not opposed to going back and revisit um a salary within range. Again,","topics_json":"[\"budget\"]","vector_id":"vec_seg_95289_797","created_at":"2026-10-31T07:37:18Z","speaker_name":"Andre M. Boggerty"},{"id":"seg_95289_798","meeting_id":"95289","media_asset_id":"med_95289_f20119687f337fb8","agenda_item_id":null,"speaker_id":"off_andre_m_boggerty","speaker_confidence":0.95,"start_sec":11993.01,"end_sec":12076.64,"text":"And we've heard the numbers. And we've heard the numbers of what's kind of realistic. I'm not opposed to making it a realistic, competitive salary within that space. In fact, if you saw me communicating, I have a friend who's a master IT person and the numbers they gave me was private and pub- and private and state depending on and that that it depends if if this individual has a CCNA or Cisco certs, etc. So just to let you know, I was making an inquiry, and I'm not saying they don't- they don't have to answer that now. But- but even within that scope and he's a- I won't say what agency where he works, but he's pretty significant. You know, it is around the 80,000 start range in that's private with Cisco certs, and 65. Again, I'm not- I'm not saying we shouldn't do something.","topics_json":"[\"budget\"]","vector_id":"vec_seg_95289_798","created_at":"2026-10-31T07:37:18Z","speaker_name":"Andre M. Boggerty"},{"id":"seg_95289_799","meeting_id":"95289","media_asset_id":"med_95289_f20119687f337fb8","agenda_item_id":null,"speaker_id":"off_andre_m_boggerty","speaker_confidence":0.95,"start_sec":12076.81,"end_sec":12110.92,"text":"I'm just saying that I would ask that you go back to the- to the employee and um and- and look at the range and see if that satisfied. Who- I don't know who the employee is. I value your work. I have an ideal. But at the same time, we got to- we've heard the numbers, and we cannot that $60,000 plus two, plus new staff, that this thing is a snowball and kind of going uh going away. I yield. I see the HR Director is trying to get your attention, so I'll definitely yield to our resident expert.","topics_json":"[\"budget\"]","vector_id":"vec_seg_95289_799","created_at":"2026-10-31T07:37:18Z","speaker_name":"Andre M. Boggerty"},{"id":"seg_95289_8","meeting_id":"95289","media_asset_id":"med_95289_f20119687f337fb8","agenda_item_id":null,"speaker_id":"off_julia_m_pillsbury","speaker_confidence":0.95,"start_sec":56.8,"end_sec":77.8,"text":"Thank you very much. Um, the last month has been a little bit rough for me, but I did attend the Veterans Day event, which was um really lovely, and today I served lunch at the Salvation Army. Thank you, that's it.","topics_json":"[]","vector_id":"vec_seg_95289_8","created_at":"2026-10-31T07:37:16Z","speaker_name":"Julia M. 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It says issues first paragraph. Right the last sentence.","topics_json":"[]","vector_id":"vec_seg_95289_806","created_at":"2026-10-31T07:37:18Z","speaker_name":"Andre M. Boggerty"},{"id":"seg_95289_807","meeting_id":"95289","media_asset_id":"med_95289_f20119687f337fb8","agenda_item_id":null,"speaker_id":"spk_95289_ms_murney","speaker_confidence":0.9,"start_sec":12197.69,"end_sec":12210.55,"text":"So there's there's some nuances that are employee-specific that we may not be able to discuss tonight. So to answer your question, Grade 129, Step 1 is 32.65. That's for the scale that goes into effect January 1.","topics_json":"[\"budget\"]","vector_id":"vec_seg_95289_807","created_at":"2026-10-31T07:37:18Z","speaker_name":"Ms. Murney"},{"id":"seg_95289_808","meeting_id":"95289","media_asset_id":"med_95289_f20119687f337fb8","agenda_item_id":null,"speaker_id":"off_roy_sudler_jr","speaker_confidence":0.95,"start_sec":12210.55,"end_sec":12211.23,"text":"An hour?","topics_json":"[\"budget\"]","vector_id":"vec_seg_95289_808","created_at":"2026-10-31T07:37:18Z","speaker_name":"Roy Sudler, Jr."},{"id":"seg_95289_809","meeting_id":"95289","media_asset_id":"med_95289_f20119687f337fb8","agenda_item_id":null,"speaker_id":"spk_95289_ms_murney","speaker_confidence":0.9,"start_sec":12211.23,"end_sec":12212.47,"text":"32.65 an hour.","topics_json":"[\"budget\"]","vector_id":"vec_seg_95289_809","created_at":"2026-10-31T07:37:18Z","speaker_name":"Ms. Murney"},{"id":"seg_95289_81","meeting_id":"95289","media_asset_id":"med_95289_f20119687f337fb8","agenda_item_id":null,"speaker_id":"off_tricia_k_arndt","speaker_confidence":0.95,"start_sec":1458.25,"end_sec":1483.05,"text":"Thank you. I just want to thank you uh, Ms. Smith, for the work that you do and and the work that your team does. I also want to thank you for applying for the safety grant on the city's be- city's behalf. So, we'll keep our our fingers crossed that that comes in for us. Um I I like this format so we can all have it at a glance, this is great, I appreciate that. Um and I think several of us will take you up on that offer for an in-depth meeting, so thank you. I yield.","topics_json":"[]","vector_id":"vec_seg_95289_81","created_at":"2026-10-31T07:37:16Z","speaker_name":"Tricia K. Arndt"},{"id":"seg_95289_810","meeting_id":"95289","media_asset_id":"med_95289_f20119687f337fb8","agenda_item_id":null,"speaker_id":"spk_95289_ms_murney","speaker_confidence":0.9,"start_sec":12212.97,"end_sec":12214.03,"text":"Yes. 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Annually, give me a second, I'll get my calculator out. I had it written here too, but 32 -- for employee-specific I have it notated, but again we can't go over that in public forum. 32.65 and annually is $67,912.","topics_json":"[\"budget\"]","vector_id":"vec_seg_95289_813","created_at":"2026-10-31T07:37:18Z","speaker_name":"Ms. Murney"},{"id":"seg_95289_814","meeting_id":"95289","media_asset_id":"med_95289_f20119687f337fb8","agenda_item_id":null,"speaker_id":"spk_95289_unknown_speaker","speaker_confidence":0.7,"start_sec":12254.2,"end_sec":12254.89,"text":"That's Step 1.","topics_json":"[\"budget\"]","vector_id":"vec_seg_95289_814","created_at":"2026-10-31T07:37:18Z","speaker_name":null},{"id":"seg_95289_815","meeting_id":"95289","media_asset_id":"med_95289_f20119687f337fb8","agenda_item_id":null,"speaker_id":"spk_95289_ms_murney","speaker_confidence":0.9,"start_sec":12254.89,"end_sec":12256.07,"text":"That's Step 1. 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Mr. Hugg had that in his report, but to Step 16 it's $50.87 per hour, which is annually $105,810 on rounding.","topics_json":"[\"budget\"]","vector_id":"vec_seg_95289_817","created_at":"2026-10-31T07:37:18Z","speaker_name":"Ms. Murney"},{"id":"seg_95289_818","meeting_id":"95289","media_asset_id":"med_95289_f20119687f337fb8","agenda_item_id":null,"speaker_id":"off_roy_sudler_jr","speaker_confidence":0.95,"start_sec":12277.31,"end_sec":12280.29,"text":"Okay, and so, and that's the maximum range, yeah?","topics_json":"[\"budget\"]","vector_id":"vec_seg_95289_818","created_at":"2026-10-31T07:37:18Z","speaker_name":"Roy Sudler, Jr."},{"id":"seg_95289_819","meeting_id":"95289","media_asset_id":"med_95289_f20119687f337fb8","agenda_item_id":null,"speaker_id":"spk_95289_ms_murney","speaker_confidence":0.9,"start_sec":12280.29,"end_sec":12281.03,"text":"That's right.","topics_json":"[\"budget\"]","vector_id":"vec_seg_95289_819","created_at":"2026-10-31T07:37:18Z","speaker_name":"Ms. Murney"},{"id":"seg_95289_82","meeting_id":"95289","media_asset_id":"med_95289_f20119687f337fb8","agenda_item_id":null,"speaker_id":"off_roy_sudler_jr","speaker_confidence":0.95,"start_sec":1483.05,"end_sec":1487.65,"text":"Thank you. Coun- Council President Neil.","topics_json":"[]","vector_id":"vec_seg_95289_82","created_at":"2026-10-31T07:37:16Z","speaker_name":"Roy Sudler, Jr."},{"id":"seg_95289_820","meeting_id":"95289","media_asset_id":"med_95289_f20119687f337fb8","agenda_item_id":null,"speaker_id":"off_roy_sudler_jr","speaker_confidence":0.95,"start_sec":12281.03,"end_sec":12282.96,"text":"And then the mid-range is going to be right in between, right?","topics_json":"[\"budget\"]","vector_id":"vec_seg_95289_820","created_at":"2026-10-31T07:37:18Z","speaker_name":"Roy Sudler, Jr."},{"id":"seg_95289_821","meeting_id":"95289","media_asset_id":"med_95289_f20119687f337fb8","agenda_item_id":null,"speaker_id":"spk_95289_ms_murney","speaker_confidence":0.9,"start_sec":12282.96,"end_sec":12317.86,"text":"Yeah, mid-range, 40 -- $40.16 an hour, which is $83,532. 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I yield, thank you.","topics_json":"[]","vector_id":"vec_seg_95289_879","created_at":"2026-10-31T07:37:18Z","speaker_name":"Roy Sudler, Jr."},{"id":"seg_95289_88","meeting_id":"95289","media_asset_id":"med_95289_f20119687f337fb8","agenda_item_id":null,"speaker_id":"off_roy_sudler_jr","speaker_confidence":0.95,"start_sec":1569.55,"end_sec":1572.25,"text":"Council President... Councilwoman Hall.","topics_json":"[]","vector_id":"vec_seg_95289_88","created_at":"2026-10-31T07:37:16Z","speaker_name":"Roy Sudler, Jr."},{"id":"seg_95289_880","meeting_id":"95289","media_asset_id":"med_95289_f20119687f337fb8","agenda_item_id":null,"speaker_id":"off_fred_a_neil","speaker_confidence":0.95,"start_sec":12713.05,"end_sec":12713.74,"text":"Thank you.","topics_json":"[]","vector_id":"vec_seg_95289_880","created_at":"2026-10-31T07:37:18Z","speaker_name":"Fred A. 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Uh when we talk about um uh following uh the correct policy and bringing it to a grade 129, are we still following the guidelines of the 2023 wage equity study that you had mentioned a couple of minutes ago?","topics_json":"[\"budget\"]","vector_id":"vec_seg_95289_893","created_at":"2026-10-31T07:37:18Z","speaker_name":"Brian E. 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So in my view, um there seems when we're talking about Team Dover, we're talking about working in unison, I think that we need to demonstrate that, rather than say Team Dover, we need to be Team Dover, and I think part of being Team Dover is we have experts here, we don't want to get jammed up. So I believe that--","topics_json":"[\"public_safety\"]","vector_id":"vec_seg_95289_902","created_at":"2026-10-31T07:37:18Z","speaker_name":"Andre M. Boggerty"},{"id":"seg_95289_903","meeting_id":"95289","media_asset_id":"med_95289_f20119687f337fb8","agenda_item_id":null,"speaker_id":"off_andre_m_boggerty","speaker_confidence":0.95,"start_sec":12976.05,"end_sec":12993.32,"text":"that it's within the scope of what we need to to do, but I'm not here to say what's what's right, what's wrong. I'm just speaking on on on my behalf and my opinion. So the motion was just to basically have our HR to work with the chief um and and and repost it. But, you know, they could I don't That's that's the motion.","topics_json":"[]","vector_id":"vec_seg_95289_903","created_at":"2026-10-31T07:37:18Z","speaker_name":"Andre M. Boggerty"},{"id":"seg_95289_904","meeting_id":"95289","media_asset_id":"med_95289_f20119687f337fb8","agenda_item_id":null,"speaker_id":"off_david_l_anderson","speaker_confidence":0.95,"start_sec":12993.32,"end_sec":13009.1,"text":"Thank you. Uh now uh everybody looks like they've spoken. Uh now let's uh get to uh we have a member of the public who's been patiently waiting. And Well, like I said, members of the committee with uh staff, members of the committee, and then we can go to the public. So, Ms. Paul, you're recognized.","topics_json":"[]","vector_id":"vec_seg_95289_904","created_at":"2026-10-31T07:37:18Z","speaker_name":"David L. 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When you have a 5% increase and that's your policy, if you go over 5% and and you and you give an increase more than that, does that set us as constituents, the city, up for lawsuits across the board across the board with all employees in the city?","topics_json":"[\"budget\",\"public_safety\"]","vector_id":"vec_seg_95289_906","created_at":"2026-10-31T07:37:18Z","speaker_name":"Ms. Paul"},{"id":"seg_95289_907","meeting_id":"95289","media_asset_id":"med_95289_f20119687f337fb8","agenda_item_id":null,"speaker_id":"off_david_l_anderson","speaker_confidence":0.95,"start_sec":13120.49,"end_sec":13122.33,"text":"The and","topics_json":"[]","vector_id":"vec_seg_95289_907","created_at":"2026-10-31T07:37:18Z","speaker_name":"David L. 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Boggerty"},{"id":"seg_95289_911","meeting_id":"95289","media_asset_id":"med_95289_f20119687f337fb8","agenda_item_id":null,"speaker_id":"off_david_l_anderson","speaker_confidence":0.95,"start_sec":13133.64,"end_sec":13136.55,"text":"She can't answer that question, but you can make your statement.","topics_json":"[]","vector_id":"vec_seg_95289_911","created_at":"2026-10-31T07:37:18Z","speaker_name":"David L. Anderson"},{"id":"seg_95289_912","meeting_id":"95289","media_asset_id":"med_95289_f20119687f337fb8","agenda_item_id":null,"speaker_id":"off_andre_m_boggerty","speaker_confidence":0.95,"start_sec":13136.55,"end_sec":13140.39,"text":"Point of order, Councilman Anderson. The The public is speaking. I think it's this is their time to speak.","topics_json":"[]","vector_id":"vec_seg_95289_912","created_at":"2026-10-31T07:37:18Z","speaker_name":"Andre M. 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You have all kinds of of of resources out there that can fill that position. Go through and get hire people by the day until you get someone to fill the position. You're a You're wrong with this. Don't do this. I don't care what the excuse is. You don't let people strong-arm taxpayers to keep taking their money. That's wrong. So don't come out with no no BS talking about why you need to do it and why it's such an urgency. It wasn't an urgency 2, 3 years ago, so it's not an urgency now. Y'all better go go get Run-A-Job people and go and put them in that position cuz guess what? This ain't what we doing.","topics_json":"[\"budget\",\"taxes\"]","vector_id":"vec_seg_95289_923","created_at":"2026-10-31T07:37:18Z","speaker_name":null},{"id":"seg_95289_924","meeting_id":"95289","media_asset_id":"med_95289_f20119687f337fb8","agenda_item_id":null,"speaker_id":"spk_95289_committee_chair","speaker_confidence":0.8,"start_sec":13210.24,"end_sec":13213.93,"text":"Thank you for your comments. Uh this lady.","topics_json":"[]","vector_id":"vec_seg_95289_924","created_at":"2026-10-31T07:37:18Z","speaker_name":null},{"id":"seg_95289_925","meeting_id":"95289","media_asset_id":"med_95289_f20119687f337fb8","agenda_item_id":null,"speaker_id":"spk_95289_linda_mane","speaker_confidence":0.95,"start_sec":13215.26,"end_sec":13282.59,"text":"Hello, I'm Linda Mane from the City of Dover. I do have to give credit to the the crew over here that are saying that this is a little ridiculous. My job, every year we only get a 2% raise, okay? $30,000? Sorry, that's a little much. And for me, I actually have to earn and work overtime in order to pay the City of Dover that money just so one person or two people can do a job that I can do or my 2-year-old can do on a cell phone. So, in in in in a manner of speaking, taxpayers don't have it. And you guys taking it away from us in order to pay bills and everything else. Listen to the ones right here that have the knowledge: Ms. Arndt, Mr. Sudler, Mr. Lewis. They're the only ones that are speaking common sense. And I think you need to take that into consideration before you go and, yeah, sorry for the person in the in the in the crowd that's going to be crying their little way home. But guess what? I'm going to be crying my way home if you guys say,","topics_json":"[\"budget\",\"taxes\"]","vector_id":"vec_seg_95289_925","created_at":"2026-10-31T07:37:18Z","speaker_name":"Linda Mane"},{"id":"seg_95289_926","meeting_id":"95289","media_asset_id":"med_95289_f20119687f337fb8","agenda_item_id":null,"speaker_id":"spk_95289_linda_mane","speaker_confidence":0.95,"start_sec":13282.59,"end_sec":13339.47,"text":"\"Oh, we're going to give this one person $30,000 of a raise.\" I don't even have that. I have to work my hardest and do the same thing and learn the skills of everyone else in my company so if they go they go home sick, I have to take their place. I don't just take one position in my company. I take many positions in my company and get small paid for it. But I still have to work overtime to learn the skills of everyone else within my company so that I can be a benefit, not you know, a debt. Thank you.","topics_json":"[\"budget\",\"taxes\"]","vector_id":"vec_seg_95289_926","created_at":"2026-10-31T07:37:18Z","speaker_name":"Linda Mane"},{"id":"seg_95289_927","meeting_id":"95289","media_asset_id":"med_95289_f20119687f337fb8","agenda_item_id":null,"speaker_id":"spk_95289_committee_chair","speaker_confidence":0.8,"start_sec":13339.47,"end_sec":13348.87,"text":"Thank you. Anyone else? 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I'm Dr. Rubiny.","topics_json":"[]","vector_id":"vec_seg_95289_932","created_at":"2026-10-31T07:37:18Z","speaker_name":null},{"id":"seg_95289_933","meeting_id":"95289","media_asset_id":"med_95289_f20119687f337fb8","agenda_item_id":null,"speaker_id":"off_roy_sudler_jr","speaker_confidence":0.95,"start_sec":13382.39,"end_sec":13383.38,"text":"I earned that, thank you.","topics_json":"[]","vector_id":"vec_seg_95289_933","created_at":"2026-10-31T07:37:18Z","speaker_name":"Roy Sudler, Jr."},{"id":"seg_95289_934","meeting_id":"95289","media_asset_id":"med_95289_f20119687f337fb8","agenda_item_id":null,"speaker_id":"spk_95289_unknown_speaker","speaker_confidence":0.7,"start_sec":13383.38,"end_sec":13384.37,"text":"Yes, so did I.","topics_json":"[]","vector_id":"vec_seg_95289_934","created_at":"2026-10-31T07:37:18Z","speaker_name":null},{"id":"seg_95289_935","meeting_id":"95289","media_asset_id":"med_95289_f20119687f337fb8","agenda_item_id":null,"speaker_id":"off_roy_sudler_jr","speaker_confidence":0.95,"start_sec":13384.71,"end_sec":13386.63,"text":"All right. 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Um, hearing the motion that the Chief came down and made, I do wholeheartedly believe that we should pay pay people what they deserve, but looking Do we know where the money is coming from?","topics_json":"[\"budget\",\"public_safety\"]","vector_id":"vec_seg_95289_936","created_at":"2026-10-31T07:37:18Z","speaker_name":"Stefan Kursh"},{"id":"seg_95289_937","meeting_id":"95289","media_asset_id":"med_95289_f20119687f337fb8","agenda_item_id":null,"speaker_id":"spk_95289_audience_member","speaker_confidence":0.6,"start_sec":13402.93,"end_sec":13403.93,"text":"It's coming from us.","topics_json":"[\"taxes\"]","vector_id":"vec_seg_95289_937","created_at":"2026-10-31T07:37:18Z","speaker_name":null},{"id":"seg_95289_938","meeting_id":"95289","media_asset_id":"med_95289_f20119687f337fb8","agenda_item_id":null,"speaker_id":"spk_95289_stefan_kursh","speaker_confidence":0.95,"start_sec":13403.99,"end_sec":13405.78,"text":"Yeah. Council President, where would the money be coming from?","topics_json":"[\"budget\"]","vector_id":"vec_seg_95289_938","created_at":"2026-10-31T07:37:18Z","speaker_name":"Stefan Kursh"},{"id":"seg_95289_939","meeting_id":"95289","media_asset_id":"med_95289_f20119687f337fb8","agenda_item_id":null,"speaker_id":"off_roy_sudler_jr","speaker_confidence":0.95,"start_sec":13405.98,"end_sec":13412.15,"text":"It would come from the department personnel budget, unfulfilled, basically unspent moneys in personnel, their personnel budget.","topics_json":"[\"budget\",\"public_safety\"]","vector_id":"vec_seg_95289_939","created_at":"2026-10-31T07:37:18Z","speaker_name":"Roy Sudler, Jr."},{"id":"seg_95289_94","meeting_id":"95289","media_asset_id":"med_95289_f20119687f337fb8","agenda_item_id":null,"speaker_id":"spk_95289_smack","speaker_confidence":0.9,"start_sec":1601.65,"end_sec":1632.75,"text":"Yes, I actually I actually have two questions. One is about um, and I think I got the answer from or at the state level today, but I will ask it because uh Councilwoman Hall has asked me. So, you know how in New Castle they have the rails coming down, and I actually spoke to one of your representatives at a something where they were tabling. You know how they got the fences going down to stop pedestrians from crossing the highway? Those big black fences like near the um airport on 13?","topics_json":"[\"public_safety\"]","vector_id":"vec_seg_95289_94","created_at":"2026-10-31T07:37:16Z","speaker_name":"Smack"},{"id":"seg_95289_940","meeting_id":"95289","media_asset_id":"med_95289_f20119687f337fb8","agenda_item_id":null,"speaker_id":"spk_95289_stefan_kursh","speaker_confidence":0.95,"start_sec":13412.28,"end_sec":13414.4,"text":"So, the city of Dover Police specifically, their money?","topics_json":"[\"budget\",\"public_safety\"]","vector_id":"vec_seg_95289_940","created_at":"2026-10-31T07:37:18Z","speaker_name":"Stefan Kursh"},{"id":"seg_95289_941","meeting_id":"95289","media_asset_id":"med_95289_f20119687f337fb8","agenda_item_id":null,"speaker_id":"off_roy_sudler_jr","speaker_confidence":0.95,"start_sec":13414.47,"end_sec":13415.53,"text":"Right. 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Like, it doesn't make sense to me. 90,000 a year, right? How much money is in their budget? Do you know?","topics_json":"[\"budget\",\"homelessness\",\"taxes\"]","vector_id":"vec_seg_95289_944","created_at":"2026-10-31T07:37:18Z","speaker_name":"Stefan Kursh"},{"id":"seg_95289_945","meeting_id":"95289","media_asset_id":"med_95289_f20119687f337fb8","agenda_item_id":null,"speaker_id":"off_roy_sudler_jr","speaker_confidence":0.95,"start_sec":13467.83,"end_sec":13469.29,"text":"I think around 17 million.","topics_json":"[\"budget\"]","vector_id":"vec_seg_95289_945","created_at":"2026-10-31T07:37:18Z","speaker_name":"Roy Sudler, Jr."},{"id":"seg_95289_946","meeting_id":"95289","media_asset_id":"med_95289_f20119687f337fb8","agenda_item_id":null,"speaker_id":"spk_95289_stefan_kursh","speaker_confidence":0.95,"start_sec":13469.55,"end_sec":13470.02,"text":"You think?","topics_json":"[\"budget\"]","vector_id":"vec_seg_95289_946","created_at":"2026-10-31T07:37:18Z","speaker_name":"Stefan Kursh"},{"id":"seg_95289_947","meeting_id":"95289","media_asset_id":"med_95289_f20119687f337fb8","agenda_item_id":null,"speaker_id":"off_roy_sudler_jr","speaker_confidence":0.95,"start_sec":13470.02,"end_sec":13470.81,"text":"Higher. Higher.","topics_json":"[\"budget\"]","vector_id":"vec_seg_95289_947","created_at":"2026-10-31T07:37:18Z","speaker_name":"Roy Sudler, Jr."},{"id":"seg_95289_948","meeting_id":"95289","media_asset_id":"med_95289_f20119687f337fb8","agenda_item_id":null,"speaker_id":"spk_95289_stefan_kursh","speaker_confidence":0.95,"start_sec":13470.88,"end_sec":13473.93,"text":"Higher? So do they have the money to do it? And will they continue to have the money?","topics_json":"[\"budget\"]","vector_id":"vec_seg_95289_948","created_at":"2026-10-31T07:37:18Z","speaker_name":"Stefan Kursh"},{"id":"seg_95289_949","meeting_id":"95289","media_asset_id":"med_95289_f20119687f337fb8","agenda_item_id":null,"speaker_id":"off_roy_sudler_jr","speaker_confidence":0.95,"start_sec":13473.93,"end_sec":13474.39,"text":"Well,","topics_json":"[]","vector_id":"vec_seg_95289_949","created_at":"2026-10-31T07:37:18Z","speaker_name":"Roy Sudler, Jr."},{"id":"seg_95289_95","meeting_id":"95289","media_asset_id":"med_95289_f20119687f337fb8","agenda_item_id":null,"speaker_id":"spk_95289_marilyn_smith","speaker_confidence":0.9,"start_sec":1632.75,"end_sec":1634.05,"text":"Okay.","topics_json":"[\"public_safety\"]","vector_id":"vec_seg_95289_95","created_at":"2026-10-31T07:37:16Z","speaker_name":"Marilyn Smith"},{"id":"seg_95289_950","meeting_id":"95289","media_asset_id":"med_95289_f20119687f337fb8","agenda_item_id":null,"speaker_id":"spk_95289_stefan_kursh","speaker_confidence":0.95,"start_sec":13474.39,"end_sec":13503.76,"text":"Or will more fines and more bullshit come to the people?","topics_json":"[\"budget\",\"taxes\"]","vector_id":"vec_seg_95289_950","created_at":"2026-10-31T07:37:18Z","speaker_name":"Stefan Kursh"},{"id":"seg_95289_951","meeting_id":"95289","media_asset_id":"med_95289_f20119687f337fb8","agenda_item_id":null,"speaker_id":"off_roy_sudler_jr","speaker_confidence":0.95,"start_sec":13504.09,"end_sec":13505.68,"text":"Is that your comments, sir?","topics_json":"[]","vector_id":"vec_seg_95289_951","created_at":"2026-10-31T07:37:18Z","speaker_name":"Roy Sudler, Jr."},{"id":"seg_95289_952","meeting_id":"95289","media_asset_id":"med_95289_f20119687f337fb8","agenda_item_id":null,"speaker_id":"spk_95289_stefan_kursh","speaker_confidence":0.95,"start_sec":13505.88,"end_sec":13506.48,"text":"I'm sorry?","topics_json":"[]","vector_id":"vec_seg_95289_952","created_at":"2026-10-31T07:37:18Z","speaker_name":"Stefan Kursh"},{"id":"seg_95289_953","meeting_id":"95289","media_asset_id":"med_95289_f20119687f337fb8","agenda_item_id":null,"speaker_id":"off_roy_sudler_jr","speaker_confidence":0.95,"start_sec":13506.54,"end_sec":13507.47,"text":"Is that your comments, sir?","topics_json":"[]","vector_id":"vec_seg_95289_953","created_at":"2026-10-31T07:37:18Z","speaker_name":"Roy Sudler, Jr."},{"id":"seg_95289_954","meeting_id":"95289","media_asset_id":"med_95289_f20119687f337fb8","agenda_item_id":null,"speaker_id":"spk_95289_stefan_kursh","speaker_confidence":0.95,"start_sec":13507.74,"end_sec":13509.59,"text":"Oh, it only has to be comments? 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Please be nice, let's be nice.","topics_json":"[]","vector_id":"vec_seg_95289_956","created_at":"2026-10-31T07:37:18Z","speaker_name":"Stefan Kursh"},{"id":"seg_95289_957","meeting_id":"95289","media_asset_id":"med_95289_f20119687f337fb8","agenda_item_id":null,"speaker_id":"off_roy_sudler_jr","speaker_confidence":0.95,"start_sec":13518.54,"end_sec":13524.31,"text":"Thank you. Um, if you want a specific answer again, I'll ask the staff to present it. Thank you.","topics_json":"[]","vector_id":"vec_seg_95289_957","created_at":"2026-10-31T07:37:18Z","speaker_name":"Roy Sudler, Jr."},{"id":"seg_95289_958","meeting_id":"95289","media_asset_id":"med_95289_f20119687f337fb8","agenda_item_id":null,"speaker_id":"spk_95289_stefan_kursh","speaker_confidence":0.95,"start_sec":13524.97,"end_sec":13526.23,"text":"Did I not ask a question?","topics_json":"[]","vector_id":"vec_seg_95289_958","created_at":"2026-10-31T07:37:18Z","speaker_name":"Stefan Kursh"},{"id":"seg_95289_959","meeting_id":"95289","media_asset_id":"med_95289_f20119687f337fb8","agenda_item_id":null,"speaker_id":"off_roy_sudler_jr","speaker_confidence":0.95,"start_sec":13526.49,"end_sec":13529.94,"text":"Uh-huh. I'll I'll ask the staff to, once again, give that answer. So,","topics_json":"[]","vector_id":"vec_seg_95289_959","created_at":"2026-10-31T07:37:18Z","speaker_name":"Roy Sudler, Jr."},{"id":"seg_95289_96","meeting_id":"95289","media_asset_id":"med_95289_f20119687f337fb8","agenda_item_id":null,"speaker_id":"spk_95289_smack","speaker_confidence":0.9,"start_sec":1634.05,"end_sec":1643.25,"text":"There's like black fences that go all the way down almost up to when you just get on 13 where it goes down to Lesland's so that people aren't crossing the highway and getting hit.","topics_json":"[\"public_safety\"]","vector_id":"vec_seg_95289_96","created_at":"2026-10-31T07:37:16Z","speaker_name":"Smack"},{"id":"seg_95289_960","meeting_id":"95289","media_asset_id":"med_95289_f20119687f337fb8","agenda_item_id":null,"speaker_id":"spk_95289_stefan_kursh","speaker_confidence":0.95,"start_sec":13530.34,"end_sec":13532.53,"text":"So, I'll wait. I still got 52 seconds. Who's going to come answer it?","topics_json":"[]","vector_id":"vec_seg_95289_960","created_at":"2026-10-31T07:37:18Z","speaker_name":"Stefan Kursh"},{"id":"seg_95289_961","meeting_id":"95289","media_asset_id":"med_95289_f20119687f337fb8","agenda_item_id":null,"speaker_id":"off_roy_sudler_jr","speaker_confidence":0.95,"start_sec":13532.86,"end_sec":13534.18,"text":"All right. Thank you.","topics_json":"[]","vector_id":"vec_seg_95289_961","created_at":"2026-10-31T07:37:18Z","speaker_name":"Roy Sudler, Jr."},{"id":"seg_95289_962","meeting_id":"95289","media_asset_id":"med_95289_f20119687f337fb8","agenda_item_id":null,"speaker_id":"spk_95289_stefan_kursh","speaker_confidence":0.95,"start_sec":13534.58,"end_sec":13536.11,"text":"Right? See, I thought I was confused too.","topics_json":"[]","vector_id":"vec_seg_95289_962","created_at":"2026-10-31T07:37:18Z","speaker_name":"Stefan Kursh"},{"id":"seg_95289_963","meeting_id":"95289","media_asset_id":"med_95289_f20119687f337fb8","agenda_item_id":null,"speaker_id":"spk_95289_thomas_johnson","speaker_confidence":0.9,"start_sec":13536.31,"end_sec":13538.96,"text":"All right. Um, just so I don't get it wrong, what's your question?","topics_json":"[\"public_safety\"]","vector_id":"vec_seg_95289_963","created_at":"2026-10-31T07:37:18Z","speaker_name":"Thomas Johnson"},{"id":"seg_95289_964","meeting_id":"95289","media_asset_id":"med_95289_f20119687f337fb8","agenda_item_id":null,"speaker_id":"spk_95289_stefan_kursh","speaker_confidence":0.95,"start_sec":13539.22,"end_sec":13565.87,"text":"So, why, cuz I do believe in giving people what they've earned, will we be able to actually continue to pay this officer what he's earned after he come comes out of his frontline position, and make sure that we're actually meeting a correct budget and not having to come through this whole debacle again? Cuz the people are worried about what's going on in their community, and they know that this money is—","topics_json":"[\"budget\",\"public_safety\"]","vector_id":"vec_seg_95289_964","created_at":"2026-10-31T07:37:18Z","speaker_name":"Stefan Kursh"},{"id":"seg_95289_965","meeting_id":"95289","media_asset_id":"med_95289_f20119687f337fb8","agenda_item_id":null,"speaker_id":"spk_95289_staff_member","speaker_confidence":0.85,"start_sec":13565.87,"end_sec":13567.62,"text":"coming from them. 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And to my knowledge, the City of Dover is in a huge deficit, I mean—","topics_json":"[\"budget\"]","vector_id":"vec_seg_95289_968","created_at":"2026-10-31T07:37:18Z","speaker_name":null},{"id":"seg_95289_969","meeting_id":"95289","media_asset_id":"med_95289_f20119687f337fb8","agenda_item_id":null,"speaker_id":"spk_95289_council_members","speaker_confidence":0.85,"start_sec":13589.91,"end_sec":13592.65,"text":"No. No. No. No.","topics_json":"[\"budget\"]","vector_id":"vec_seg_95289_969","created_at":"2026-10-31T07:37:18Z","speaker_name":null},{"id":"seg_95289_97","meeting_id":"95289","media_asset_id":"med_95289_f20119687f337fb8","agenda_item_id":null,"speaker_id":"spk_95289_marilyn_smith","speaker_confidence":0.9,"start_sec":1643.25,"end_sec":1646.85,"text":"Right. 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Um thank you for recognizing me, Chairman Anderson.","topics_json":"[]","vector_id":"vec_seg_95289_981","created_at":"2026-10-31T07:37:18Z","speaker_name":"Roy Sudler, Jr."},{"id":"seg_95289_982","meeting_id":"95289","media_asset_id":"med_95289_f20119687f337fb8","agenda_item_id":null,"speaker_id":"off_roy_sudler_jr","speaker_confidence":0.95,"start_sec":13694.78,"end_sec":13702.77,"text":"Uh would it be permissible for us to make uh we can vote on it, and then we can have the city solicitor, since he's not here tonight, to review whether or not um","topics_json":"[]","vector_id":"vec_seg_95289_982","created_at":"2026-10-31T07:37:18Z","speaker_name":"Roy Sudler, Jr."},{"id":"seg_95289_983","meeting_id":"95289","media_asset_id":"med_95289_f20119687f337fb8","agenda_item_id":null,"speaker_id":"off_roy_sudler_jr","speaker_confidence":0.95,"start_sec":13704.26,"end_sec":13710.92,"text":"it was permissible for us to do that? If not, then then and then, you know, we couldn't do it, but, you know.","topics_json":"[]","vector_id":"vec_seg_95289_983","created_at":"2026-10-31T07:37:18Z","speaker_name":"Roy Sudler, Jr."},{"id":"seg_95289_984","meeting_id":"95289","media_asset_id":"med_95289_f20119687f337fb8","agenda_item_id":null,"speaker_id":"off_david_l_anderson","speaker_confidence":0.95,"start_sec":13711,"end_sec":13714.99,"text":"Well let's see if it let's see if it passes, but it would be uh—","topics_json":"[]","vector_id":"vec_seg_95289_984","created_at":"2026-10-31T07:37:18Z","speaker_name":"David L. 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So, basically what the process um for us is is to look at all of those places that are on the high injury network and say, okay, what's the best proven safety countermeasure for this place? And then, what are our funding opportunities to make that happen? So, if you have a specific corridor, you can scribble that down on a piece of paper for me, or you can email me and we can start to look at those corridors, specific road sections, um yeah. That that's kind of the next step once you have a countywide safety plan, yes.","topics_json":"[\"public_safety\"]","vector_id":"vec_seg_95289_99","created_at":"2026-10-31T07:37:16Z","speaker_name":"Marilyn Smith"},{"id":"seg_95289_990","meeting_id":"95289","media_asset_id":"med_95289_f20119687f337fb8","agenda_item_id":null,"speaker_id":"off_david_l_anderson","speaker_confidence":0.95,"start_sec":13741.02,"end_sec":13743.77,"text":"Uh not if uh not if this passed.","topics_json":"[]","vector_id":"vec_seg_95289_990","created_at":"2026-10-31T07:37:18Z","speaker_name":"David L. Anderson"},{"id":"seg_95289_991","meeting_id":"95289","media_asset_id":"med_95289_f20119687f337fb8","agenda_item_id":null,"speaker_id":"off_brian_e_lewis","speaker_confidence":0.95,"start_sec":13743.77,"end_sec":13744.6,"text":"Okay.","topics_json":"[]","vector_id":"vec_seg_95289_991","created_at":"2026-10-31T07:37:18Z","speaker_name":"Brian E. 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Arndt"},{"id":"seg_95289_996","meeting_id":"95289","media_asset_id":"med_95289_f20119687f337fb8","agenda_item_id":null,"speaker_id":"spk_95289_naomi_poole","speaker_confidence":1,"start_sec":13762.47,"end_sec":13780.48,"text":"Oh, okay. Um, Naomi Poole, HR Director. Um, so as it stands, um, he has to So, at this point, for us to post the position, he's going to have to decline the role. Um, there is an outstanding offer on the table right now, and we do have to honor that.","topics_json":"[]","vector_id":"vec_seg_95289_996","created_at":"2026-10-31T07:37:18Z","speaker_name":"Naomi Poole"},{"id":"seg_95289_997","meeting_id":"95289","media_asset_id":"med_95289_f20119687f337fb8","agenda_item_id":null,"speaker_id":"off_roy_sudler_jr","speaker_confidence":1,"start_sec":13780.48,"end_sec":13783.5,"text":"Yeah, that's what I was saying as well. Thank you.","topics_json":"[]","vector_id":"vec_seg_95289_997","created_at":"2026-10-31T07:37:18Z","speaker_name":"Roy Sudler, Jr."},{"id":"seg_95289_998","meeting_id":"95289","media_asset_id":"med_95289_f20119687f337fb8","agenda_item_id":null,"speaker_id":"spk_95289_naomi_poole","speaker_confidence":1,"start_sec":13783.5,"end_sec":13784.35,"text":"You're welcome.","topics_json":"[]","vector_id":"vec_seg_95289_998","created_at":"2026-10-31T07:37:18Z","speaker_name":"Naomi Poole"},{"id":"seg_95289_999","meeting_id":"95289","media_asset_id":"med_95289_f20119687f337fb8","agenda_item_id":null,"speaker_id":"off_andre_m_boggerty","speaker_confidence":1,"start_sec":13784.35,"end_sec":13788.91,"text":"All right. Uh, all You've heard the information. All in favor of the motion...","topics_json":"[]","vector_id":"vec_seg_95289_999","created_at":"2026-10-31T07:37:18Z","speaker_name":"Andre M. Boggerty"},{"id":"seg_95601_1","meeting_id":"95601","media_asset_id":"med_95601_10461c808b7e3370","agenda_item_id":null,"speaker_id":"off_fred_a_neil","speaker_confidence":1,"start_sec":0,"end_sec":10.88,"text":"9th, 2025. I would like to remind the public that public comments are welcome on any item and will be permitted at the appropriate time. You have before you this evening's agenda, and I will entertain a motion for its adoption.","topics_json":"[]","vector_id":"vec_seg_95601_1","created_at":"2026-10-31T06:55:47Z","speaker_name":"Fred A. Neil"},{"id":"seg_95601_10","meeting_id":"95601","media_asset_id":"med_95601_10461c808b7e3370","agenda_item_id":null,"speaker_id":"off_gerald_l_rocha_sr","speaker_confidence":1,"start_sec":83.73,"end_sec":144.22,"text":"Thank you, Council President. Yeah, so I'm catching up with uh November. I um attended a joint pension board meeting, uh also um which I think you had even mentioned, uh Council President, the Habitat for Humanity Charity Ball, um also a meeting with the Thunder hockey team with their leaders about potential discussion about the arena. Still working on that. Uh went to the DMAC end-of-year dinner and also attended the Capital Holiday Christmas tree lighting. Uh as you know, I was out there providing the sound for all the choirs out there, and I'm thankful that it was a lot warmer than it was last year, less windy, too. I yield. Thank you.","topics_json":"[]","vector_id":"vec_seg_95601_10","created_at":"2026-10-31T06:55:47Z","speaker_name":"Gerald L. Rocha, Sr."},{"id":"seg_95601_100","meeting_id":"95601","media_asset_id":"med_95601_10461c808b7e3370","agenda_item_id":null,"speaker_id":"spk_95601_david_suiters","speaker_confidence":0.95,"start_sec":2211.36,"end_sec":2277.46,"text":"I want you to read this and tell me if you know anything about this. Back in 1992, they had the same meeting here. East Loockerman, two houses were struck. Fatalities. Motorcycle guy went into a living room being chased by the police on that street. And you said the this the width of our street is 22 and it should be regular streets are 24?","topics_json":"[\"public_safety\"]","vector_id":"vec_seg_95601_100","created_at":"2026-10-31T06:55:48Z","speaker_name":"David Suiters"},{"id":"seg_95601_101","meeting_id":"95601","media_asset_id":"med_95601_10461c808b7e3370","agenda_item_id":null,"speaker_id":"spk_95601_staff_member","speaker_confidence":0.85,"start_sec":2277.16,"end_sec":2278.06,"text":"The minimum size.","topics_json":"[]","vector_id":"vec_seg_95601_101","created_at":"2026-10-31T06:55:48Z","speaker_name":null},{"id":"seg_95601_102","meeting_id":"95601","media_asset_id":"med_95601_10461c808b7e3370","agenda_item_id":null,"speaker_id":"spk_95601_david_suiters","speaker_confidence":0.95,"start_sec":2278.06,"end_sec":2359.36,"text":"Yeah. You don't You don't live on my street. You don't see the speed sign. You don't see the stuff I see every day. We are Dover residents. You council are here to protect us and our children. You're here to protect us and our children. We're taxpayers. I watch this stuff every day. I'm a truck driver. I watch people on cell phones every day. Our street isn't barely wide enough for two cars going opposite directions. I just found this on Google. Your committee, which you guys probably weren't here cuz this was back in 1992. It was April, matter of fact. And I'm going to give you the exact date. April 28th, 1992 at 12:00 a.m., it was it was their committee here. I talked to I spoke to Mr. uh Anderson, I believe it was, and you said you needed five more? I'm a truck driver. I barely have time to do anything to give you that 22 or 21, or whatever comparisons you want to give me on petitions. This stuff is bullshit! And I hate to use that word, but it is! When that little kid almost Well, almost Or did die right in front of my house, in front of my family, my grandchildren, my mother-in-law can't even get out of a car cuz my driveway's not big enough for them to park. They got to park on the street where he's saying it's legal and almost get hit, six times. I get I got five more for you. And if I got to get the whole neighborhood's petition, I will, but like I told you, just like that all the rest of you, we all work! This is a second job to us. This is another job for me! I'm driving over 300 mi a day. Do you think I have time to get five more for you? And I did today.","topics_json":"[\"public_safety\"]","vector_id":"vec_seg_95601_102","created_at":"2026-10-31T06:55:48Z","speaker_name":"David Suiters"},{"id":"seg_95601_103","meeting_id":"95601","media_asset_id":"med_95601_10461c808b7e3370","agenda_item_id":null,"speaker_id":"spk_95601_suders","speaker_confidence":0.95,"start_sec":2360.28,"end_sec":2382.18,"text":"Because of the weather, I ain't working. I found time. And the people that wasn't there when I got the first petition 2 years ago, they're passed on. They died. My petition was very large that first time in two years ago, which I don't know where it happened, it got lost in you guys's offices.","topics_json":"[\"public_safety\"]","vector_id":"vec_seg_95601_103","created_at":"2026-10-31T06:55:48Z","speaker_name":"Suders"},{"id":"seg_95601_104","meeting_id":"95601","media_asset_id":"med_95601_10461c808b7e3370","agenda_item_id":null,"speaker_id":"spk_95601_suders","speaker_confidence":0.95,"start_sec":2382.68,"end_sec":2398.38,"text":"Money doesn't mean nothing to me. Life means something to me. Our human lives are worth more than money can exist. There is no amount of money for a life.","topics_json":"[\"public_safety\"]","vector_id":"vec_seg_95601_104","created_at":"2026-10-31T06:55:48Z","speaker_name":"Suders"},{"id":"seg_95601_105","meeting_id":"95601","media_asset_id":"med_95601_10461c808b7e3370","agenda_item_id":null,"speaker_id":"spk_95601_suders","speaker_confidence":0.95,"start_sec":2398.58,"end_sec":2419.28,"text":"That one-year-old shouldn't have died. Yeah, maybe he was under the influence. But you ought to watch what I see every day. That's a that new sign you got out there? It seen 53, it seen 43. They say the courts won't uh do something to a person if he's just doing a couple miles over.","topics_json":"[\"public_safety\"]","vector_id":"vec_seg_95601_105","created_at":"2026-10-31T06:55:48Z","speaker_name":"Suders"},{"id":"seg_95601_106","meeting_id":"95601","media_asset_id":"med_95601_10461c808b7e3370","agenda_item_id":null,"speaker_id":"spk_95601_suders","speaker_confidence":0.95,"start_sec":2419.88,"end_sec":2437.88,"text":"25 mph. Let me hit you at 25 mph and then go 11 more miles, which is what that police officer or chief said, they won't prosecute unless it's 11 miles over. Imagine 11 more miles on top of 25. Are you going to live through that?","topics_json":"[\"public_safety\"]","vector_id":"vec_seg_95601_106","created_at":"2026-10-31T06:55:48Z","speaker_name":"Suders"},{"id":"seg_95601_107","meeting_id":"95601","media_asset_id":"med_95601_10461c808b7e3370","agenda_item_id":null,"speaker_id":"spk_95601_suders","speaker_confidence":0.95,"start_sec":2438.48,"end_sec":2446.38,"text":"And you heard the gentleman, our street ain't even wide enough for sidewalks. We don't have room.","topics_json":"[\"public_safety\"]","vector_id":"vec_seg_95601_107","created_at":"2026-10-31T06:55:48Z","speaker_name":"Suders"},{"id":"seg_95601_108","meeting_id":"95601","media_asset_id":"med_95601_10461c808b7e3370","agenda_item_id":null,"speaker_id":"spk_95601_off_gerald_l_rocha_sr","speaker_confidence":0.95,"start_sec":2446.78,"end_sec":2459.38,"text":"Mr. Suders, thank you for your passion. Um, we do have to obey the three the three-minute rule. We If If you can do me a favor, if you can turn those extra signatures in to our City Clerk's office to be counted, um, so we can, um, add those to the count. Um, so, again, we hear you, and, um, with that said, thank you. And And if you want to also email me or text me you that that article to add to your record—","topics_json":"[\"public_safety\"]","vector_id":"vec_seg_95601_108","created_at":"2026-10-31T06:55:48Z","speaker_name":null},{"id":"seg_95601_109","meeting_id":"95601","media_asset_id":"med_95601_10461c808b7e3370","agenda_item_id":null,"speaker_id":"spk_95601_suders","speaker_confidence":0.95,"start_sec":2459.38,"end_sec":2460.98,"text":"You give me an email, I'll send it right to you, yes.","topics_json":"[]","vector_id":"vec_seg_95601_109","created_at":"2026-10-31T06:55:48Z","speaker_name":"Suders"},{"id":"seg_95601_11","meeting_id":"95601","media_asset_id":"med_95601_10461c808b7e3370","agenda_item_id":null,"speaker_id":"off_fred_a_neil","speaker_confidence":1,"start_sec":144.22,"end_sec":146.57,"text":"Second District, Councilwoman Hall.","topics_json":"[]","vector_id":"vec_seg_95601_11","created_at":"2026-10-31T06:55:47Z","speaker_name":"Fred A. 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Rocha, Sr."},{"id":"seg_95601_115","meeting_id":"95601","media_asset_id":"med_95601_10461c808b7e3370","agenda_item_id":null,"speaker_id":"spk_95601_suders","speaker_confidence":0.95,"start_sec":2473.18,"end_sec":2486.28,"text":"But what gets me is we had a guy in a motorcycle go through a house, a kid die. What's it going to take for this Council to realize our children's lives mean something more than money?","topics_json":"[\"public_safety\"]","vector_id":"vec_seg_95601_115","created_at":"2026-10-31T06:55:48Z","speaker_name":"Suders"},{"id":"seg_95601_116","meeting_id":"95601","media_asset_id":"med_95601_10461c808b7e3370","agenda_item_id":null,"speaker_id":"off_gerald_l_rocha_sr","speaker_confidence":0.95,"start_sec":2486.38,"end_sec":2492.18,"text":"And I do feel we we have the same feeling, trust me. So, but I I have to—","topics_json":"[\"public_safety\"]","vector_id":"vec_seg_95601_116","created_at":"2026-10-31T06:55:48Z","speaker_name":"Gerald L. Rocha, Sr."},{"id":"seg_95601_117","meeting_id":"95601","media_asset_id":"med_95601_10461c808b7e3370","agenda_item_id":null,"speaker_id":"spk_95601_suders","speaker_confidence":0.95,"start_sec":2488.78,"end_sec":2500.88,"text":"I can't If If you I'm going to tell you right now, you're going to lock me up when one of these by these cars hit my grandchildren cuz I'm going to kill that person. I'm going to literally beat the shit out of him or take my truck and drive right over him.","topics_json":"[\"public_safety\"]","vector_id":"vec_seg_95601_117","created_at":"2026-10-31T06:55:48Z","speaker_name":"Suders"},{"id":"seg_95601_118","meeting_id":"95601","media_asset_id":"med_95601_10461c808b7e3370","agenda_item_id":null,"speaker_id":"off_gerald_l_rocha_sr","speaker_confidence":0.95,"start_sec":2500.98,"end_sec":2505.88,"text":"Mr. Suders, I don't want you to have to say that on the record. I understand. I don't think you would do that.","topics_json":"[]","vector_id":"vec_seg_95601_118","created_at":"2026-10-31T06:55:48Z","speaker_name":"Gerald L. Rocha, Sr."},{"id":"seg_95601_119","meeting_id":"95601","media_asset_id":"med_95601_10461c808b7e3370","agenda_item_id":null,"speaker_id":"spk_95601_suders","speaker_confidence":0.95,"start_sec":2503.58,"end_sec":2512.28,"text":"I don't want to do that! But you guys are looking I feel like this is a joke. This meeting is a joke cuz our words don't mean nothing to you.","topics_json":"[]","vector_id":"vec_seg_95601_119","created_at":"2026-10-31T06:55:48Z","speaker_name":"Suders"},{"id":"seg_95601_12","meeting_id":"95601","media_asset_id":"med_95601_10461c808b7e3370","agenda_item_id":null,"speaker_id":"off_donyale_m_hall","speaker_confidence":1,"start_sec":146.57,"end_sec":161.78,"text":"Thank you for recognizing me. I attended many of the same events, um, and I had uh quite the flurry of uh constituent uh issues that um definitely I needed to return some calls and refer some things to. We managed to get a pothole fixed and, um, I'm grateful for being able to serve my constituents. I yield.","topics_json":"[]","vector_id":"vec_seg_95601_12","created_at":"2026-10-31T06:55:47Z","speaker_name":"Donyale M. Hall"},{"id":"seg_95601_120","meeting_id":"95601","media_asset_id":"med_95601_10461c808b7e3370","agenda_item_id":null,"speaker_id":"off_gerald_l_rocha_sr","speaker_confidence":0.95,"start_sec":2512.38,"end_sec":2513.78,"text":"Yes, sir, Mr. Suders.","topics_json":"[]","vector_id":"vec_seg_95601_120","created_at":"2026-10-31T06:55:48Z","speaker_name":"Gerald L. Rocha, Sr."},{"id":"seg_95601_121","meeting_id":"95601","media_asset_id":"med_95601_10461c808b7e3370","agenda_item_id":null,"speaker_id":"spk_95601_suders","speaker_confidence":0.95,"start_sec":2513.88,"end_sec":2530.18,"text":"I don't go by his predictions or what his analyses are. I see it every day. I live there. Jeremy, he lives there. Maria lives there. I can give you all my neighbors' names cuz I we are a family. Our neighborhood is a family.","topics_json":"[\"public_safety\"]","vector_id":"vec_seg_95601_121","created_at":"2026-10-31T06:55:48Z","speaker_name":"Suders"},{"id":"seg_95601_122","meeting_id":"95601","media_asset_id":"med_95601_10461c808b7e3370","agenda_item_id":null,"speaker_id":"off_gerald_l_rocha_sr","speaker_confidence":0.95,"start_sec":2530.28,"end_sec":2535.98,"text":"I hear you, Mr. Suders. Thank you, and again, if you want to get that to me, and I and I and I definitely respect—","topics_json":"[]","vector_id":"vec_seg_95601_122","created_at":"2026-10-31T06:55:48Z","speaker_name":"Gerald L. Rocha, Sr."},{"id":"seg_95601_123","meeting_id":"95601","media_asset_id":"med_95601_10461c808b7e3370","agenda_item_id":null,"speaker_id":"off_andre_m_boggerty","speaker_confidence":0.95,"start_sec":2555.99,"end_sec":2565.31,"text":"like your passion, so does I, and I completely understand. Um, are there any more questions or comments? Um, the Chair recognizes, uh, Ms. Mack, and then, uh, Councilman Anderson and Councilman Rocha, in that order.","topics_json":"[]","vector_id":"vec_seg_95601_123","created_at":"2026-10-31T06:55:48Z","speaker_name":"Andre M. 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So where is that petition for them so that they can get to it easily and not having to go through this man who is trying to provide for his family?","topics_json":"[]","vector_id":"vec_seg_95601_124","created_at":"2026-10-31T06:55:48Z","speaker_name":null},{"id":"seg_95601_125","meeting_id":"95601","media_asset_id":"med_95601_10461c808b7e3370","agenda_item_id":null,"speaker_id":"off_andre_m_boggerty","speaker_confidence":0.9,"start_sec":2628.96,"end_sec":2629.89,"text":"Oh, sure.","topics_json":"[]","vector_id":"vec_seg_95601_125","created_at":"2026-10-31T06:55:48Z","speaker_name":"Andre M. Boggerty"},{"id":"seg_95601_126","meeting_id":"95601","media_asset_id":"med_95601_10461c808b7e3370","agenda_item_id":null,"speaker_id":"spk_95601_jason_lyon","speaker_confidence":0.95,"start_sec":2629.89,"end_sec":2638.27,"text":"Uh, for the record, Jason Lyon. Um, so the petition, as directed through the July meeting, was requested by the requestor. It was not provided by the City of Dover.","topics_json":"[]","vector_id":"vec_seg_95601_126","created_at":"2026-10-31T06:55:48Z","speaker_name":"Jason Lyon"},{"id":"seg_95601_127","meeting_id":"95601","media_asset_id":"med_95601_10461c808b7e3370","agenda_item_id":null,"speaker_id":"spk_95601_ms_mack","speaker_confidence":0.85,"start_sec":2638.58,"end_sec":2639.83,"text":"So, no one knows how to, where it's at?","topics_json":"[]","vector_id":"vec_seg_95601_127","created_at":"2026-10-31T06:55:48Z","speaker_name":null},{"id":"seg_95601_128","meeting_id":"95601","media_asset_id":"med_95601_10461c808b7e3370","agenda_item_id":null,"speaker_id":"spk_95601_jason_lyon","speaker_confidence":0.95,"start_sec":2640.14,"end_sec":2649.45,"text":"Well, we we received it from Mr. Souter. He took the ball and he got the signatures. It was not a it was not a a petition driven by the City of Dover. 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No. So, as a practice, I'm I'm not I'm not sure that that has happened before because it will, you know, it's a petition. It could, yeah, it would it would mean that we're in favor of something when we have to stay neutral.","topics_json":"[]","vector_id":"vec_seg_95601_131","created_at":"2026-10-31T06:55:48Z","speaker_name":"Andre M. Boggerty"},{"id":"seg_95601_132","meeting_id":"95601","media_asset_id":"med_95601_10461c808b7e3370","agenda_item_id":null,"speaker_id":"spk_95601_ms_mack","speaker_confidence":0.9,"start_sec":2708.14,"end_sec":2710.62,"text":"Thank you for letting me know, uh, Councilman-at-Large Boggerty. I appreciate that.","topics_json":"[]","vector_id":"vec_seg_95601_132","created_at":"2026-10-31T06:55:48Z","speaker_name":null},{"id":"seg_95601_133","meeting_id":"95601","media_asset_id":"med_95601_10461c808b7e3370","agenda_item_id":null,"speaker_id":"off_andre_m_boggerty","speaker_confidence":0.95,"start_sec":2710.62,"end_sec":2712.17,"text":"You're welcome. Yes, ma'am.","topics_json":"[]","vector_id":"vec_seg_95601_133","created_at":"2026-10-31T06:55:48Z","speaker_name":"Andre M. Boggerty"},{"id":"seg_95601_134","meeting_id":"95601","media_asset_id":"med_95601_10461c808b7e3370","agenda_item_id":null,"speaker_id":"off_andre_m_boggerty","speaker_confidence":0.95,"start_sec":2712.48,"end_sec":2745.4,"text":"All right. Uh, thank you. Does that satisfy? Does that satisfy, Ms. Mack, are you are you satisfied? Good. Uh, the Chair recognizes Councilman Rocha...","topics_json":"[]","vector_id":"vec_seg_95601_134","created_at":"2026-10-31T06:55:48Z","speaker_name":"Andre M. Boggerty"},{"id":"seg_95601_135","meeting_id":"95601","media_asset_id":"med_95601_10461c808b7e3370","agenda_item_id":null,"speaker_id":"off_andre_m_boggerty","speaker_confidence":0.95,"start_sec":2746.33,"end_sec":2748.5,"text":"Anderson first? Chair recognizes Councilman Anderson.","topics_json":"[]","vector_id":"vec_seg_95601_135","created_at":"2026-10-31T06:55:48Z","speaker_name":"Andre M. Boggerty"},{"id":"seg_95601_136","meeting_id":"95601","media_asset_id":"med_95601_10461c808b7e3370","agenda_item_id":null,"speaker_id":"off_david_l_anderson","speaker_confidence":0.95,"start_sec":2748.5,"end_sec":2752.6,"text":"Thank you. Uh, thank you, Mr. Chairman. All right. I, um, now that...","topics_json":"[]","vector_id":"vec_seg_95601_136","created_at":"2026-10-31T06:55:48Z","speaker_name":"David L. Anderson"},{"id":"seg_95601_137","meeting_id":"95601","media_asset_id":"med_95601_10461c808b7e3370","agenda_item_id":null,"speaker_id":"off_roy_sudler_jr","speaker_confidence":0.9,"start_sec":2752.61,"end_sec":2782.81,"text":"we potentially have the required number of signatures from Loockerman Street, um, I wanted to know if we could, um, do something temporary and then, uh, survey the residents. 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Um, I don't know the average.","topics_json":"[]","vector_id":"vec_seg_95601_138","created_at":"2026-10-31T06:55:48Z","speaker_name":"Jason Lyon"},{"id":"seg_95601_139","meeting_id":"95601","media_asset_id":"med_95601_10461c808b7e3370","agenda_item_id":null,"speaker_id":"off_roy_sudler_jr","speaker_confidence":0.9,"start_sec":2788.11,"end_sec":2789.51,"text":"Between 30 and 36.","topics_json":"[]","vector_id":"vec_seg_95601_139","created_at":"2026-10-31T06:55:48Z","speaker_name":"Roy Sudler, Jr."},{"id":"seg_95601_14","meeting_id":"95601","media_asset_id":"med_95601_10461c808b7e3370","agenda_item_id":null,"speaker_id":"off_tricia_k_arndt","speaker_confidence":1,"start_sec":164.2,"end_sec":167.61,"text":"Thank you, Council President. I gave the Mr. Lewis is online. Mr. Lewis.","topics_json":"[]","vector_id":"vec_seg_95601_14","created_at":"2026-10-31T06:55:47Z","speaker_name":"Tricia K. Arndt"},{"id":"seg_95601_140","meeting_id":"95601","media_asset_id":"med_95601_10461c808b7e3370","agenda_item_id":null,"speaker_id":"spk_95601_jason_lyon","speaker_confidence":0.85,"start_sec":2789.61,"end_sec":2791.61,"text":"We generally have more than 24 feet wide.","topics_json":"[]","vector_id":"vec_seg_95601_140","created_at":"2026-10-31T06:55:48Z","speaker_name":"Jason Lyon"},{"id":"seg_95601_141","meeting_id":"95601","media_asset_id":"med_95601_10461c808b7e3370","agenda_item_id":null,"speaker_id":"off_roy_sudler_jr","speaker_confidence":0.9,"start_sec":2791.61,"end_sec":2793.81,"text":"Right. 24 is the minimum.","topics_json":"[]","vector_id":"vec_seg_95601_141","created_at":"2026-10-31T06:55:48Z","speaker_name":"Roy Sudler, Jr."},{"id":"seg_95601_142","meeting_id":"95601","media_asset_id":"med_95601_10461c808b7e3370","agenda_item_id":null,"speaker_id":"spk_95601_jason_lyon","speaker_confidence":0.85,"start_sec":2793.91,"end_sec":2795.21,"text":"Correct, at this point in time.","topics_json":"[]","vector_id":"vec_seg_95601_142","created_at":"2026-10-31T06:55:48Z","speaker_name":"Jason Lyon"},{"id":"seg_95601_143","meeting_id":"95601","media_asset_id":"med_95601_10461c808b7e3370","agenda_item_id":null,"speaker_id":"off_roy_sudler_jr","speaker_confidence":0.9,"start_sec":2795.21,"end_sec":2798.71,"text":"Right. Usually it's 30 to 36 if you're building.","topics_json":"[]","vector_id":"vec_seg_95601_143","created_at":"2026-10-31T06:55:48Z","speaker_name":"Roy Sudler, Jr."},{"id":"seg_95601_144","meeting_id":"95601","media_asset_id":"med_95601_10461c808b7e3370","agenda_item_id":null,"speaker_id":"off_roy_sudler_jr","speaker_confidence":0.9,"start_sec":2799.21,"end_sec":2908.21,"text":"Now, um, uh, my question has to do if, um, is it is there a mechanism to essentially put some like a temporary closure or delineators or anything and and basically have put a sign up, \"Emergency Access Only\" for that area and not permanently close it, but but just, uh, basically put the delineators up there, put a sign, \"Emergency Access Only,\" and then we could, uh, survey the residents or have a town hall or something, and find out in the spring what people feel about it. Uh, and then we could present all of the the options, cuz while these options are are getting prepared, we could, um, maybe we could see what the residents feel a- after they've had a a few months of a, um, of a closure that's, uh, that's could easily be removed. What What Would you think about that?","topics_json":"[\"public_safety\"]","vector_id":"vec_seg_95601_144","created_at":"2026-10-31T06:55:48Z","speaker_name":"Roy Sudler, Jr."},{"id":"seg_95601_145","meeting_id":"95601","media_asset_id":"med_95601_10461c808b7e3370","agenda_item_id":null,"speaker_id":"spk_95601_jason_lyon","speaker_confidence":0.85,"start_sec":2909.01,"end_sec":2949.21,"text":"I believe that would be a councilmatic decision that could be achieved. Uh, that is ultimately from this body to make that recommendation and and and vote on that. Um, you know, it could be as simple as putting up what's called a trailblazer, which is a it's a chevron sign that has three billboard, maybe like um you've seen them at construction sites, right? They have three different panels, and they stand up, and they have sandbags in the back of them. Um, again, um, as an engineering practice, uh, the the Delaware MUTCD, which is the Manual on Uniform uh Traffic Control Devices and um, the standards of what they This is pretty silent, okay? So when road closures come up, it's generally in the in the eye of the municipality. I, as an engineer, our my charge is to provide data. Um, and I understand there's passion to this, and I do appreciate it. I'm looking at this as objectively as I can, um, and understanding what kind of precedent and what this could do for for future developments. Um, so it could be done. I would mention that we have conversed with DelDOT. This is not a DelDOT road. Uh, everything east of Route 13 for East Loockerman Street, including where Burger King is, that is city-owned street. Now, they had said if","topics_json":"[\"public_safety\"]","vector_id":"vec_seg_95601_145","created_at":"2026-10-31T06:55:48Z","speaker_name":"Jason Lyon"},{"id":"seg_95601_146","meeting_id":"95601","media_asset_id":"med_95601_10461c808b7e3370","agenda_item_id":null,"speaker_id":"spk_95601_jason_lyon","speaker_confidence":0.9,"start_sec":2949.22,"end_sec":2967.49,"text":"if we're going to put any sort of notification that maybe we're doing temporary closure, and if we put that sign on Route 13, then we need to get approval from them. Like a variable message uh a variable message sign um would need to be approved by DelDOT if we go in that route. But to answer your question, um it could be done if that is the deci- is the the desire of this committee.","topics_json":"[\"public_safety\"]","vector_id":"vec_seg_95601_146","created_at":"2026-10-31T06:55:48Z","speaker_name":"Jason Lyon"},{"id":"seg_95601_147","meeting_id":"95601","media_asset_id":"med_95601_10461c808b7e3370","agenda_item_id":null,"speaker_id":"off_brian_e_lewis","speaker_confidence":1,"start_sec":2967.49,"end_sec":3038.3,"text":"I, it's a, it's not an easy call, because I agree with Mr. Sudler 100%, but uh weirdly enough, also agree with you, because uh there's good points uh particularly, um my big concern is emergency response time. Um that's i- in my ideal world, I would love it if we could find a solution where that could be an em- where we could make it so that it could be an em- emergency-only entrance. Um, I I'm I'm wondering, how can how can we accomplish that?","topics_json":"[\"public_safety\"]","vector_id":"vec_seg_95601_147","created_at":"2026-10-31T06:55:48Z","speaker_name":"Brian E. Lewis"},{"id":"seg_95601_148","meeting_id":"95601","media_asset_id":"med_95601_10461c808b7e3370","agenda_item_id":null,"speaker_id":"spk_95601_jason_lyon","speaker_confidence":0.9,"start_sec":3038.3,"end_sec":3113.48,"text":"Uh, well we we we could have um the I mean any number of ways. Um talking to the fire department um as I mentioned earlier, and they've mentioned in this body that they're not in favor of it because of this emergency hat. Um, but I would say that there could be some sort of mechanized equipment that would need to be maintained, uh monitored to make sure it's working correctly. Um there could be um bollards that are put up, very similar to what you see at the Del State downtown campus, which they can um they can retract into the ground. However, if that is the case, then the the fire department has to get out of their truck, unlock it, and lower it. Um so there there there are options out there. Um, but again, just keep in mind that this is if we're going with a mechanical gate, there are going to be some deterrents to that.","topics_json":"[\"public_safety\"]","vector_id":"vec_seg_95601_148","created_at":"2026-10-31T06:55:48Z","speaker_name":"Jason Lyon"},{"id":"seg_95601_149","meeting_id":"95601","media_asset_id":"med_95601_10461c808b7e3370","agenda_item_id":null,"speaker_id":"off_brian_e_lewis","speaker_confidence":1,"start_sec":3113.48,"end_sec":3126.97,"text":"Thank you. Um Mr. Mr. Chairman, um there may be other ideas um for the purpose of just the limited purpose of ideas on this, I request permission to yield to Mr. Sudler.","topics_json":"[\"public_safety\"]","vector_id":"vec_seg_95601_149","created_at":"2026-10-31T06:55:48Z","speaker_name":"Brian E. 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Boggerty"},{"id":"seg_95601_152","meeting_id":"95601","media_asset_id":"med_95601_10461c808b7e3370","agenda_item_id":null,"speaker_id":"off_brian_e_lewis","speaker_confidence":1,"start_sec":3132.32,"end_sec":3133.04,"text":"That's fine.","topics_json":"[]","vector_id":"vec_seg_95601_152","created_at":"2026-10-31T06:55:48Z","speaker_name":"Brian E. Lewis"},{"id":"seg_95601_153","meeting_id":"95601","media_asset_id":"med_95601_10461c808b7e3370","agenda_item_id":null,"speaker_id":"off_andre_m_boggerty","speaker_confidence":1,"start_sec":3133.04,"end_sec":3136.57,"text":"I want to hear from Mr. Rocha first. I'm going to come back to you, but I want to give everybody—","topics_json":"[]","vector_id":"vec_seg_95601_153","created_at":"2026-10-31T06:55:48Z","speaker_name":"Andre M. 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Boggerty"},{"id":"seg_95601_158","meeting_id":"95601","media_asset_id":"med_95601_10461c808b7e3370","agenda_item_id":null,"speaker_id":"off_gerald_l_rocha_sr","speaker_confidence":1,"start_sec":3145.83,"end_sec":3145.83,"text":"Uh thank you, Mr. Chairman. Um so I know that the emergency response has been brought up and and everything, but has anybody, you know, did a study or measured how much time it would take to get from Governors Avenue down Division Street and into East Loockerman","topics_json":"[\"public_safety\"]","vector_id":"vec_seg_95601_158","created_at":"2026-10-31T06:55:48Z","speaker_name":"Gerald L. Rocha, Sr."},{"id":"seg_95601_159","meeting_id":"95601","media_asset_id":"med_95601_10461c808b7e3370","agenda_item_id":null,"speaker_id":"off_andre_m_boggerty","speaker_confidence":0.95,"start_sec":3145.84,"end_sec":3150.45,"text":"versus, like how many how many seconds? Because it can't it can't be, it's not like we're going out to Cheswold or anything like that, so.","topics_json":"[\"public_safety\"]","vector_id":"vec_seg_95601_159","created_at":"2026-10-31T06:55:48Z","speaker_name":"Andre M. Boggerty"},{"id":"seg_95601_16","meeting_id":"95601","media_asset_id":"med_95601_10461c808b7e3370","agenda_item_id":null,"speaker_id":"off_brian_e_lewis","speaker_confidence":1,"start_sec":175.64,"end_sec":196.61,"text":"All right. Uh, good evening, everybody. Um, this uh this month, I attended uh a couple of uh holiday community events. Uh, I also attended the tree lighting. I attended um DEMCO, uh they had a holiday event uh that I attended um where they were giving out um toys to the children and stuff, and uh this past Saturday, I attended the 50th anniversary","topics_json":"[]","vector_id":"vec_seg_95601_16","created_at":"2026-10-31T06:55:47Z","speaker_name":"Brian E. 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South Edgehill, correct. South Edgehill, and and then turning left on, uh, East Loockerman there. Did anybody measure how much time the time difference?","topics_json":"[\"public_safety\"]","vector_id":"vec_seg_95601_161","created_at":"2026-10-31T06:55:48Z","speaker_name":"Andre M. Boggerty"},{"id":"seg_95601_162","meeting_id":"95601","media_asset_id":"med_95601_10461c808b7e3370","agenda_item_id":null,"speaker_id":"spk_95601_jason_lyon","speaker_confidence":0.95,"start_sec":3181.29,"end_sec":3219.73,"text":"Uh, good question. I'm I'm reviewing the memo that was included in the packet, see if we can But I believe the Fire Marshal had a a note on there. Um, unfortunately, there's no, uh, hard data. It was really just the fact that every uh, every 30 seconds, sir, could be some significant damage. So, I don't have the answer to that. Uh, our team would be happy to to find that out if you'd like.","topics_json":"[\"public_safety\"]","vector_id":"vec_seg_95601_162","created_at":"2026-10-31T06:55:48Z","speaker_name":"Jason Lyon"},{"id":"seg_95601_163","meeting_id":"95601","media_asset_id":"med_95601_10461c808b7e3370","agenda_item_id":null,"speaker_id":"off_andre_m_boggerty","speaker_confidence":0.95,"start_sec":3220.25,"end_sec":3230.45,"text":"And, um, right now it's going east to East Loockerman and going in. Is there any, um, thought to changing the direction?","topics_json":"[\"public_safety\"]","vector_id":"vec_seg_95601_163","created_at":"2026-10-31T06:55:48Z","speaker_name":"Andre M. Boggerty"},{"id":"seg_95601_164","meeting_id":"95601","media_asset_id":"med_95601_10461c808b7e3370","agenda_item_id":null,"speaker_id":"spk_95601_jason_lyon","speaker_confidence":0.95,"start_sec":3230.95,"end_sec":3238.15,"text":"So, that, um, that that road was changed from a two-way to a one-way, um, many years ago. I don't really I may defer to the mayor on that one. Uh,","topics_json":"[\"public_safety\"]","vector_id":"vec_seg_95601_164","created_at":"2026-10-31T06:55:48Z","speaker_name":"Jason Lyon"},{"id":"seg_95601_165","meeting_id":"95601","media_asset_id":"med_95601_10461c808b7e3370","agenda_item_id":null,"speaker_id":"off_andre_m_boggerty","speaker_confidence":0.95,"start_sec":3238.39,"end_sec":3239.62,"text":"I think I recall that myself.","topics_json":"[\"public_safety\"]","vector_id":"vec_seg_95601_165","created_at":"2026-10-31T06:55:48Z","speaker_name":"Andre M. Boggerty"},{"id":"seg_95601_166","meeting_id":"95601","media_asset_id":"med_95601_10461c808b7e3370","agenda_item_id":null,"speaker_id":"off_robin_r_christiansen","speaker_confidence":0.9,"start_sec":3239.69,"end_sec":3240.53,"text":"Are you being funny?","topics_json":"[]","vector_id":"vec_seg_95601_166","created_at":"2026-10-31T06:55:48Z","speaker_name":"Robin R. Christiansen"},{"id":"seg_95601_167","meeting_id":"95601","media_asset_id":"med_95601_10461c808b7e3370","agenda_item_id":null,"speaker_id":"spk_95601_jason_lyon","speaker_confidence":0.95,"start_sec":3240.99,"end_sec":3275.61,"text":"Evidently not. Um, so, So, uh, that was to deter people from coming from Route 1 as you're coming into town and cutting through the development as kind of a bypass instead of waiting at the light at Division Street and Route 13.","topics_json":"[\"public_safety\"]","vector_id":"vec_seg_95601_167","created_at":"2026-10-31T06:55:48Z","speaker_name":"Jason Lyon"},{"id":"seg_95601_168","meeting_id":"95601","media_asset_id":"med_95601_10461c808b7e3370","agenda_item_id":null,"speaker_id":"off_andre_m_boggerty","speaker_confidence":0.95,"start_sec":3275.8,"end_sec":3277.36,"text":"And just let people out of the development.","topics_json":"[\"public_safety\"]","vector_id":"vec_seg_95601_168","created_at":"2026-10-31T06:55:48Z","speaker_name":"Andre M. 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Um, and, other than that, uh, can't feel it's been a lot of people out with, uh, answering, um, constituent concerns in my district, and that's all I have.","topics_json":"[]","vector_id":"vec_seg_95601_17","created_at":"2026-10-31T06:55:47Z","speaker_name":"Gerald L. Rocha, Sr."},{"id":"seg_95601_170","meeting_id":"95601","media_asset_id":"med_95601_10461c808b7e3370","agenda_item_id":null,"speaker_id":"off_andre_m_boggerty","speaker_confidence":0.95,"start_sec":3287.95,"end_sec":3291.71,"text":"And uh it's only one entrance. You can only go in one way and not come out that way. It's not two-way uh traffic, right?","topics_json":"[\"public_safety\"]","vector_id":"vec_seg_95601_170","created_at":"2026-10-31T06:55:48Z","speaker_name":"Andre M. 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So, you can If you're coming from uh if you're coming from Little Creek and you come down East Loockerman Street towards Burger King, uh you can you have to take a right at Edgehill Drive, you can't continue.","topics_json":"[\"public_safety\"]","vector_id":"vec_seg_95601_171","created_at":"2026-10-31T06:55:48Z","speaker_name":"Jason Lyon"},{"id":"seg_95601_172","meeting_id":"95601","media_asset_id":"med_95601_10461c808b7e3370","agenda_item_id":null,"speaker_id":"off_andre_m_boggerty","speaker_confidence":0.95,"start_sec":3335.78,"end_sec":3342.45,"text":"Right. And for some reason I think I remember you couldn't turn into it at one point, I think when I first got here, I think. I don't know, maybe it's before my time, but I wanted to say that uh, I","topics_json":"[\"public_safety\"]","vector_id":"vec_seg_95601_172","created_at":"2026-10-31T06:55:48Z","speaker_name":"Andre M. 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Rocha, Sr."},{"id":"seg_95601_174","meeting_id":"95601","media_asset_id":"med_95601_10461c808b7e3370","agenda_item_id":null,"speaker_id":"spk_95601_mr_suthers","speaker_confidence":0.8,"start_sec":3352.25,"end_sec":3353.65,"text":"I don't- I'm not aware of that.","topics_json":"[\"public_safety\"]","vector_id":"vec_seg_95601_174","created_at":"2026-10-31T06:55:48Z","speaker_name":"Mr. Suthers"},{"id":"seg_95601_175","meeting_id":"95601","media_asset_id":"med_95601_10461c808b7e3370","agenda_item_id":null,"speaker_id":"off_gerald_l_rocha_sr","speaker_confidence":0.95,"start_sec":3353.65,"end_sec":3359.95,"text":"Yeah. Um, okay. Uh at this time, I yield. I want to hear what- what the Mayor has to say.","topics_json":"[]","vector_id":"vec_seg_95601_175","created_at":"2026-10-31T06:55:48Z","speaker_name":"Gerald L. 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Just- I'm sorry.","topics_json":"[\"public_safety\"]","vector_id":"vec_seg_95601_178","created_at":"2026-10-31T06:55:48Z","speaker_name":"Mandy Smack"},{"id":"seg_95601_179","meeting_id":"95601","media_asset_id":"med_95601_10461c808b7e3370","agenda_item_id":null,"speaker_id":"off_gerald_l_rocha_sr","speaker_confidence":0.9,"start_sec":3407.45,"end_sec":3409.65,"text":"Just that- just that area when you turn-","topics_json":"[\"public_safety\"]","vector_id":"vec_seg_95601_179","created_at":"2026-10-31T06:55:48Z","speaker_name":"Gerald L. Rocha, Sr."},{"id":"seg_95601_18","meeting_id":"95601","media_asset_id":"med_95601_10461c808b7e3370","agenda_item_id":null,"speaker_id":"off_fred_a_neil","speaker_confidence":0.95,"start_sec":215.91,"end_sec":223.11,"text":"Thank you, and apologies for missing you online. Now we will go to Councilman Anderson.","topics_json":"[]","vector_id":"vec_seg_95601_18","created_at":"2026-10-31T06:55:47Z","speaker_name":"Fred A. Neil"},{"id":"seg_95601_180","meeting_id":"95601","media_asset_id":"med_95601_10461c808b7e3370","agenda_item_id":null,"speaker_id":"spk_95601_mandy_smack","speaker_confidence":0.85,"start_sec":3409.65,"end_sec":3471.95,"text":"Oh, just that one area. Okay, my- my bad. I didn't know that. Okay, so thank you, uh Councilman Rocha, for asking because I wanted to know- I was going to ask how many minutes. How many feet is that South- that road that you know where you make the first left, you know what I'm talking about? Yeah. The South Edgehill, how many feet is that in there? It looks to be to me maybe 100 feet. Is that really going to- I really want to know the answer to that. Is that really, like, a lot of time in their response time that it's going to take away? Because instead of coming down by Burger King, they could just go by CVS to still get, if there is an emergency, to still get to those addresses that are closer to um Burger King. And I'm in agreeance with uh Councilman Anderson about putting up something temporary until we resolve it, because it is a hazard. Um just seeing if how soon you can get those answers.","topics_json":"[\"public_safety\"]","vector_id":"vec_seg_95601_180","created_at":"2026-10-31T06:55:48Z","speaker_name":"Mandy Smack"},{"id":"seg_95601_181","meeting_id":"95601","media_asset_id":"med_95601_10461c808b7e3370","agenda_item_id":null,"speaker_id":"spk_95601_mr_suthers","speaker_confidence":0.85,"start_sec":3473.45,"end_sec":3528.25,"text":"Uh yeah, I can get that in a day. I'm sorry. Uh I'd be happy to get those answers within the day. I can get that that data for you. Um just keep in mind, um while the the timing of it is probably not um... is not going to be great, I will I'll admit that. Keep in mind and there are developments in this city that um uh Emerald Point comes to mind, was built with the assumption that it would have a connector street to it and that development hasn't happened, so there's only one means of egress. So just keep in mind when there's only one means of egress into a development, there could be additional issues with that. Um especially if there is something else on the road that blocks it. Just making sure that everyone knows that those are other considerations to take. But to answer your initial question, I'll be happy to get that data for this committee within a day.","topics_json":"[\"public_safety\"]","vector_id":"vec_seg_95601_181","created_at":"2026-10-31T06:55:48Z","speaker_name":"Mr. Suthers"},{"id":"seg_95601_182","meeting_id":"95601","media_asset_id":"med_95601_10461c808b7e3370","agenda_item_id":null,"speaker_id":"spk_95601_mandy_smack","speaker_confidence":0.85,"start_sec":3528.45,"end_sec":3529.45,"text":"Thank you.","topics_json":"[]","vector_id":"vec_seg_95601_182","created_at":"2026-10-31T06:55:48Z","speaker_name":"Mandy Smack"},{"id":"seg_95601_183","meeting_id":"95601","media_asset_id":"med_95601_10461c808b7e3370","agenda_item_id":null,"speaker_id":"spk_95601_mr_suthers","speaker_confidence":0.85,"start_sec":3529.45,"end_sec":3530.85,"text":"You're welcome.","topics_json":"[]","vector_id":"vec_seg_95601_183","created_at":"2026-10-31T06:55:48Z","speaker_name":"Mr. Suthers"},{"id":"seg_95601_184","meeting_id":"95601","media_asset_id":"med_95601_10461c808b7e3370","agenda_item_id":null,"speaker_id":"off_roy_sudler_jr","speaker_confidence":0.95,"start_sec":3530.95,"end_sec":3533.95,"text":"Thank you. Thank you. Uh Mr. Mayor?","topics_json":"[]","vector_id":"vec_seg_95601_184","created_at":"2026-10-31T06:55:48Z","speaker_name":"Roy Sudler, Jr."},{"id":"seg_95601_185","meeting_id":"95601","media_asset_id":"med_95601_10461c808b7e3370","agenda_item_id":null,"speaker_id":"off_robin_r_christiansen","speaker_confidence":0.95,"start_sec":3534.45,"end_sec":3539.05,"text":"I yield to my honorable friend the Council President, because I'm going to have a-","topics_json":"[]","vector_id":"vec_seg_95601_185","created_at":"2026-10-31T06:55:48Z","speaker_name":"Robin R. 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Uh we're accused of not caring about traffic safety, and we have a traffic safety ordinance that's coming up that people are fighting, and they don't want they're not concerned about someone who's standing in medians getting hit and killed or injured, whatever. But we do care about this. Now, there is a delineation that is at the six-way on Governors Avenue. Basically, those things will collapse very easily. Would that be more effective? And again, it's a traffic mind that I, you know, that I think that experts can tell us. So that if a fire engine is coming down there with the delineators and they hit it, that's not going to make a difference. But if it slows down a car who really doesn't realize how flimsy they really are, or even if they do, it's just it's an indication that is a real problem more so than what we've even talked about.","topics_json":"[\"public_safety\"]","vector_id":"vec_seg_95601_188","created_at":"2026-10-31T06:55:48Z","speaker_name":"Fred A. 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Boggerty"},{"id":"seg_95601_191","meeting_id":"95601","media_asset_id":"med_95601_10461c808b7e3370","agenda_item_id":null,"speaker_id":"off_robin_r_christiansen","speaker_confidence":0.95,"start_sec":3688.37,"end_sec":3735.67,"text":"Thanks, sir. Um oh, thank you for your presentation, Mr. Lyon. Uh 33 years ago, I was the council president, Mr. Sudler, when the issue came after the motorcycle accident on East Loockerman Street. And the problems that they were having on East Loockerman Street at that time were exacerbated when we put Heartburn Alley in. And for those of you who are too young to remember this, Heartburn Alley is where all the restaurants were: the Taco Bell and everything. Um the traffic We were having issues with the alley behind the Edgehill Shopping Center. Uh we took care of that. We had issues with the traffic uh going onto East Loockerman Street, and it was two-way traffic at the time at that one point there, that small portion by the tree farm. And we changed that up so that you could only go onto East Loockerman Street. Uh we've not really made any improvements on that. So I'm going to call two experts up if I can, uh Chairman Boggerty, if I can call real quick.","topics_json":"[\"public_safety\",\"business\"]","vector_id":"vec_seg_95601_191","created_at":"2026-10-31T06:55:48Z","speaker_name":"Robin R. Christiansen"},{"id":"seg_95601_192","meeting_id":"95601","media_asset_id":"med_95601_10461c808b7e3370","agenda_item_id":null,"speaker_id":"off_brian_e_lewis","speaker_confidence":0.95,"start_sec":3735.68,"end_sec":3740.35,"text":"the dangers of time elapsed by barriers to fire apparatus. Chief?","topics_json":"[\"public_safety\"]","vector_id":"vec_seg_95601_192","created_at":"2026-10-31T06:55:48Z","speaker_name":"Brian E. Lewis"},{"id":"seg_95601_193","meeting_id":"95601","media_asset_id":"med_95601_10461c808b7e3370","agenda_item_id":null,"speaker_id":"off_roy_sudler_jr","speaker_confidence":0.95,"start_sec":3740.35,"end_sec":3743.12,"text":"The chair recognizes, oh.","topics_json":"[]","vector_id":"vec_seg_95601_193","created_at":"2026-10-31T06:55:48Z","speaker_name":"Roy Sudler, Jr."},{"id":"seg_95601_194","meeting_id":"95601","media_asset_id":"med_95601_10461c808b7e3370","agenda_item_id":null,"speaker_id":"spk_95601_jason_osika","speaker_confidence":0.95,"start_sec":3743.12,"end_sec":3836.79,"text":"Thank you. Jason Osika, Deputy Director of Emergency Management. Um, I think the report Jason Lyon provided has the facts in it. Um, fires do double every 30 seconds in size, especially with uh the materials you have now, newer furniture, it's not things aren't made the way they used to be. Um, but I want to back up. I wasn't in the meeting, but there was an internal staff meeting I think. Jason, were you there? With So that was with, um, I know we're focused on fire department. That was with police, fire, and EMS. So there's three components to emergency services. Um, there was a recent fire, uh, at the end of that, they the fire company used that pathway to get there. Yes, they can take other ways. That is going to be time consuming, but, um, I think some other topics that were talked about is the CPR where now you're down to 10 seconds makes a difference on getting someone there. The police pursuit, um, them trying to get to a call, whether it's, uh, someone breaking into a house. Um, we're just providing the information. It's up to this committee and then council to make the ultimate decision. Um, within that, it's my understanding, um, they did discuss several different mechanisms, such as bollards, uh, gates. Um,","topics_json":"[\"public_safety\"]","vector_id":"vec_seg_95601_194","created_at":"2026-10-31T06:55:48Z","speaker_name":"Jason Osika"},{"id":"seg_95601_195","meeting_id":"95601","media_asset_id":"med_95601_10461c808b7e3370","agenda_item_id":null,"speaker_id":"spk_95601_jason_osika","speaker_confidence":0.95,"start_sec":3837.58,"end_sec":3899.14,"text":"if they did bollards, um, I like the ones that the fire trucks can hit and just snap right off, but then you're replacing pins every time. Um, but also that's if cars figure that out, they're going to be able to do that too. Um, and I think the conclusion was if they were going to do any type of mechanism, they're probably just going to take the alternative route because of the time it's going to take to get out and open a gate or take down the bollards. Is that correct? Um, and that was the consensus of, I don't want to speak for for EMS, fire, and police, but it's my understanding that's what the consensus was with everyone. Um, so I I think that kind of answers your question.","topics_json":"[\"public_safety\"]","vector_id":"vec_seg_95601_195","created_at":"2026-10-31T06:55:48Z","speaker_name":"Jason Osika"},{"id":"seg_95601_196","meeting_id":"95601","media_asset_id":"med_95601_10461c808b7e3370","agenda_item_id":null,"speaker_id":"off_brian_e_lewis","speaker_confidence":0.95,"start_sec":3899.14,"end_sec":3913.62,"text":"Chief, I didn't mean to put you on the spot, but thank you for your input. Now I'd like to call another expert. Mr. Will Garfinkel, would you come to the podium, please, and tell us about your experience with the traffic-calming devices on Independence Boulevard? And by the way, I think you'll get double pay for this.","topics_json":"[\"public_safety\"]","vector_id":"vec_seg_95601_196","created_at":"2026-10-31T06:55:48Z","speaker_name":"Brian E. 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Pillsbury"},{"id":"seg_95601_20","meeting_id":"95601","media_asset_id":"med_95601_10461c808b7e3370","agenda_item_id":null,"speaker_id":"off_fred_a_neil","speaker_confidence":0.95,"start_sec":229.91,"end_sec":233.71,"text":"Oh, yeah, oh, cuz, wow, that was fast.","topics_json":"[]","vector_id":"vec_seg_95601_20","created_at":"2026-10-31T06:55:47Z","speaker_name":"Fred A. Neil"},{"id":"seg_95601_200","meeting_id":"95601","media_asset_id":"med_95601_10461c808b7e3370","agenda_item_id":null,"speaker_id":"off_brian_e_lewis","speaker_confidence":0.95,"start_sec":3924.06,"end_sec":3932.29,"text":"Mr. Garfinkel, would you please expound to us the success or failure of the traffic-calming devices in your neighborhood on Independence Boulevard?","topics_json":"[\"public_safety\"]","vector_id":"vec_seg_95601_200","created_at":"2026-10-31T06:55:48Z","speaker_name":"Brian E. 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Even today, I saw people pass on the double yellow lines, and um I saw tractor trailer run over the roundabout.","topics_json":"[\"public_safety\"]","vector_id":"vec_seg_95601_202","created_at":"2026-10-31T06:55:48Z","speaker_name":null},{"id":"seg_95601_203","meeting_id":"95601","media_asset_id":"med_95601_10461c808b7e3370","agenda_item_id":null,"speaker_id":"spk_95601_public_commenter","speaker_confidence":0.9,"start_sec":3953.9,"end_sec":3962.9,"text":"They They can't make it. They just They don't care. But um the traffic calming devices that were put in did a great job.","topics_json":"[\"public_safety\"]","vector_id":"vec_seg_95601_203","created_at":"2026-10-31T06:55:48Z","speaker_name":null},{"id":"seg_95601_204","meeting_id":"95601","media_asset_id":"med_95601_10461c808b7e3370","agenda_item_id":null,"speaker_id":"spk_95601_public_commenter","speaker_confidence":0.9,"start_sec":3962.9,"end_sec":3976.3,"text":"You can't go around that roundabout more than 15 miles an hour. Um they put a couple chicanes in, uh slows you down.","topics_json":"[\"public_safety\"]","vector_id":"vec_seg_95601_204","created_at":"2026-10-31T06:55:48Z","speaker_name":null},{"id":"seg_95601_205","meeting_id":"95601","media_asset_id":"med_95601_10461c808b7e3370","agenda_item_id":null,"speaker_id":"spk_95601_public_commenter","speaker_confidence":0.9,"start_sec":3976.3,"end_sec":3992.2,"text":"You know you're having a discussion about uh strict enforcement of 25 miles an hour. You really got to try hard not to to to do 25 in on Independence Boulevard.","topics_json":"[\"public_safety\"]","vector_id":"vec_seg_95601_205","created_at":"2026-10-31T06:55:48Z","speaker_name":null},{"id":"seg_95601_206","meeting_id":"95601","media_asset_id":"med_95601_10461c808b7e3370","agenda_item_id":null,"speaker_id":"spk_95601_public_commenter","speaker_confidence":0.9,"start_sec":3992.2,"end_sec":4011.8,"text":"The The traffic calming devices that were And they were designed by the Office of Traffic Calming at DelDOT. We asked the experts to come in, well, you did actually, the city did. And they did a whole design for us, for nothing, free, and it works.","topics_json":"[\"public_safety\"]","vector_id":"vec_seg_95601_206","created_at":"2026-10-31T06:55:48Z","speaker_name":null},{"id":"seg_95601_207","meeting_id":"95601","media_asset_id":"med_95601_10461c808b7e3370","agenda_item_id":null,"speaker_id":"spk_95601_public_commenter","speaker_confidence":0.9,"start_sec":4011.8,"end_sec":4026.9,"text":"You can actually walk up and down Independence Boulevard without being afraid you're going to get hit or a car is going to veer off. Uh so I don't want to belabor the point, but um","topics_json":"[\"public_safety\"]","vector_id":"vec_seg_95601_207","created_at":"2026-10-31T06:55:48Z","speaker_name":null},{"id":"seg_95601_208","meeting_id":"95601","media_asset_id":"med_95601_10461c808b7e3370","agenda_item_id":null,"speaker_id":"spk_95601_public_commenter","speaker_confidence":0.9,"start_sec":4026.9,"end_sec":4040.9,"text":"yeah, wi- without without that traffic without all that traffic calming, that street would become unlivable and extremely dangerous. And","topics_json":"[\"public_safety\"]","vector_id":"vec_seg_95601_208","created_at":"2026-10-31T06:55:48Z","speaker_name":null},{"id":"seg_95601_209","meeting_id":"95601","media_asset_id":"med_95601_10461c808b7e3370","agenda_item_id":null,"speaker_id":"spk_95601_public_commenter","speaker_confidence":0.9,"start_sec":4040.9,"end_sec":4046.1,"text":"I don't know, Mr. Mayor, was anything else you want me to say or?","topics_json":"[]","vector_id":"vec_seg_95601_209","created_at":"2026-10-31T06:55:48Z","speaker_name":null},{"id":"seg_95601_21","meeting_id":"95601","media_asset_id":"med_95601_10461c808b7e3370","agenda_item_id":null,"speaker_id":"off_tricia_k_arndt","speaker_confidence":0.95,"start_sec":233.71,"end_sec":234.91,"text":"I'm in your district.","topics_json":"[]","vector_id":"vec_seg_95601_21","created_at":"2026-10-31T06:55:47Z","speaker_name":"Tricia K. Arndt"},{"id":"seg_95601_210","meeting_id":"95601","media_asset_id":"med_95601_10461c808b7e3370","agenda_item_id":null,"speaker_id":"off_robin_r_christiansen","speaker_confidence":0.95,"start_sec":4046.1,"end_sec":4048.1,"text":"Now, that's that's fine. That's a great testimonial.","topics_json":"[]","vector_id":"vec_seg_95601_210","created_at":"2026-10-31T06:55:48Z","speaker_name":"Robin R. Christiansen"},{"id":"seg_95601_211","meeting_id":"95601","media_asset_id":"med_95601_10461c808b7e3370","agenda_item_id":null,"speaker_id":"off_robin_r_christiansen","speaker_confidence":0.95,"start_sec":4048.1,"end_sec":4050.1,"text":"I I you may step down, please.","topics_json":"[]","vector_id":"vec_seg_95601_211","created_at":"2026-10-31T06:55:48Z","speaker_name":"Robin R. 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Christiansen"},{"id":"seg_95601_214","meeting_id":"95601","media_asset_id":"med_95601_10461c808b7e3370","agenda_item_id":null,"speaker_id":"spk_95601_public_commenter","speaker_confidence":0.85,"start_sec":4052.6,"end_sec":4053.9,"text":"Thank you, Mr. Mayor.","topics_json":"[]","vector_id":"vec_seg_95601_214","created_at":"2026-10-31T06:55:48Z","speaker_name":null},{"id":"seg_95601_215","meeting_id":"95601","media_asset_id":"med_95601_10461c808b7e3370","agenda_item_id":null,"speaker_id":"off_robin_r_christiansen","speaker_confidence":0.95,"start_sec":4053.9,"end_sec":4072.3,"text":"So Mr. Chairman, in view of the fact that once again 33 years later we are addressing the issue of traffic safety on East Loockerman Street with no disrespect to Jason Mr. Lyons, he has done a excellent job.","topics_json":"[\"public_safety\"]","vector_id":"vec_seg_95601_215","created_at":"2026-10-31T06:55:48Z","speaker_name":"Robin R. 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Christiansen"},{"id":"seg_95601_218","meeting_id":"95601","media_asset_id":"med_95601_10461c808b7e3370","agenda_item_id":null,"speaker_id":"off_roy_sudler_jr","speaker_confidence":0.9,"start_sec":4125.2,"end_sec":4128.9,"text":"Thank you, Mr. Mayor, for your input, and um","topics_json":"[]","vector_id":"vec_seg_95601_218","created_at":"2026-10-31T06:55:48Z","speaker_name":"Roy Sudler, Jr."},{"id":"seg_95601_219","meeting_id":"95601","media_asset_id":"med_95601_10461c808b7e3370","agenda_item_id":null,"speaker_id":"off_roy_sudler_jr","speaker_confidence":0.95,"start_sec":4128.91,"end_sec":4137.71,"text":"I attempted to capture your recommendation, but I'm pretty sure we'll get it. The chair recognizes Councilwoman Dr. Pillsbury.","topics_json":"[]","vector_id":"vec_seg_95601_219","created_at":"2026-10-31T06:55:48Z","speaker_name":"Roy Sudler, Jr."},{"id":"seg_95601_22","meeting_id":"95601","media_asset_id":"med_95601_10461c808b7e3370","agenda_item_id":null,"speaker_id":"off_fred_a_neil","speaker_confidence":0.95,"start_sec":234.91,"end_sec":237.11,"text":"Councilwoman Arndt.","topics_json":"[]","vector_id":"vec_seg_95601_22","created_at":"2026-10-31T06:55:47Z","speaker_name":"Fred A. Neil"},{"id":"seg_95601_220","meeting_id":"95601","media_asset_id":"med_95601_10461c808b7e3370","agenda_item_id":null,"speaker_id":"off_julia_m_pillsbury","speaker_confidence":0.95,"start_sec":4137.71,"end_sec":4180.41,"text":"Thank you. I was going to bring up the Independence Boulevard changes, and it really does slow you down. In fact, I wonder how the fire department is even supposed to get through there if there's an emergency. But because that circle is huge. So I figure you ride over it and go straight down. But um that was going to be my question was could you do some of the things that they did on Independence Boulevard and possibly put a circle where there's an intersecting street and so forth, um to slow the traffic down?","topics_json":"[\"public_safety\",\"transportation\",\"infrastructure\"]","vector_id":"vec_seg_95601_220","created_at":"2026-10-31T06:55:48Z","speaker_name":"Julia M. Pillsbury"},{"id":"seg_95601_221","meeting_id":"95601","media_asset_id":"med_95601_10461c808b7e3370","agenda_item_id":null,"speaker_id":"spk_95601_jason_lyon","speaker_confidence":0.95,"start_sec":4180.41,"end_sec":4248.71,"text":"Um, for the record, Jason Lyon. Um, I'm not going to say it can't be done, but I would mention Independence Boulevard is much wider than this road. The right-of-way is much more narrow as well. So if we're going to talk about traffic circles to meet the proper radius to get a vehicle around there, um, many of you have probably driven on Mifflin Road, correct? Mifflin Road has a roundabout that is not built to the proper size. It is much smaller.","topics_json":"[\"transportation\",\"infrastructure\"]","vector_id":"vec_seg_95601_221","created_at":"2026-10-31T06:55:48Z","speaker_name":"Jason Lyon"},{"id":"seg_95601_222","meeting_id":"95601","media_asset_id":"med_95601_10461c808b7e3370","agenda_item_id":null,"speaker_id":"spk_95601_jason_lyon","speaker_confidence":0.95,"start_sec":4248.71,"end_sec":4287.91,"text":"Um, Independence has a much bigger diameter, uh, causing a little bit easier uh navigation. So, uh, there are other options, of course. Um, they if you've driven down uh North State Street near the cemetery, they have little bump-outs with um with curb to kind of channel you into an area. Um, concerns with that are potentially drainage. What that would be hashed out in a study, um, because you have to make sure that the water can get where it needs to go and not get caught up in in some sort of a a hardscape. Um, but it yeah, there there could certainly be options there for that.","topics_json":"[\"transportation\",\"infrastructure\"]","vector_id":"vec_seg_95601_222","created_at":"2026-10-31T06:55:48Z","speaker_name":"Jason Lyon"},{"id":"seg_95601_223","meeting_id":"95601","media_asset_id":"med_95601_10461c808b7e3370","agenda_item_id":null,"speaker_id":"off_roy_sudler_jr","speaker_confidence":0.95,"start_sec":4289.61,"end_sec":4293.41,"text":"Thank you, Dr. Pillsbury. Are you does that conclude?","topics_json":"[]","vector_id":"vec_seg_95601_223","created_at":"2026-10-31T06:55:48Z","speaker_name":"Roy Sudler, Jr."},{"id":"seg_95601_224","meeting_id":"95601","media_asset_id":"med_95601_10461c808b7e3370","agenda_item_id":null,"speaker_id":"off_julia_m_pillsbury","speaker_confidence":0.95,"start_sec":4293.41,"end_sec":4294.61,"text":"Yes, I'm sorry. I yield.","topics_json":"[]","vector_id":"vec_seg_95601_224","created_at":"2026-10-31T06:55:48Z","speaker_name":"Julia M. Pillsbury"},{"id":"seg_95601_225","meeting_id":"95601","media_asset_id":"med_95601_10461c808b7e3370","agenda_item_id":null,"speaker_id":"off_roy_sudler_jr","speaker_confidence":0.95,"start_sec":4294.61,"end_sec":4298.21,"text":"No, that's fine. No problem. The chair recognizes Councilwoman Hall.","topics_json":"[]","vector_id":"vec_seg_95601_225","created_at":"2026-10-31T06:55:48Z","speaker_name":"Roy Sudler, Jr."},{"id":"seg_95601_226","meeting_id":"95601","media_asset_id":"med_95601_10461c808b7e3370","agenda_item_id":null,"speaker_id":"off_donyale_m_hall","speaker_confidence":0.95,"start_sec":4298.41,"end_sec":4325.51,"text":"Thank you for recognizing me. Um, Jason, as a part of your study, will that identify um could it possibly identify where there are areas where the road could be widened, as is the right-of-way built in such a way to where there could be some accommodations? Because I know I've seen in my district um we've had like some regrading, and they're currently um actually on my corner of Post and uh uh uh Webbs Lane, they're actually widening the sidewalk there. And so I'm I'm just curious, um because that area is so narrow, is there an opportunity to um redo some of the civil engineering along that that roadway to um make some more accommodations that would allow for something like sidewalks or a wider girth where if people are parking, um I know that that, you know, I'm I'm just not sure what the right-of-way is on that street. I'm I'm just talking out loud, I'm not um I'm asking for, you know, you to possibly put in","topics_json":"[\"transportation\",\"infrastructure\"]","vector_id":"vec_seg_95601_226","created_at":"2026-10-31T06:55:48Z","speaker_name":"Donyale M. Hall"},{"id":"seg_95601_227","meeting_id":"95601","media_asset_id":"med_95601_10461c808b7e3370","agenda_item_id":null,"speaker_id":"off_donyale_m_hall","speaker_confidence":0.95,"start_sec":4325.52,"end_sec":4338.32,"text":"um, some research to come back to us to say, you know, this is what it would cost, this is who would be the person who would absorb that cost, and yes, it is or no, it isn't possible. Thank you. I yield.","topics_json":"[\"budget\",\"public_safety\"]","vector_id":"vec_seg_95601_227","created_at":"2026-10-31T06:55:48Z","speaker_name":"Donyale M. Hall"},{"id":"seg_95601_228","meeting_id":"95601","media_asset_id":"med_95601_10461c808b7e3370","agenda_item_id":null,"speaker_id":"spk_95601_city_staff","speaker_confidence":0.9,"start_sec":4339.42,"end_sec":4379.92,"text":"So, um, the short answer is anything's possible with money. Um, engineering, uh, in local government is doing the best you can with the resources that you have. So, um, the the short answer to your question would be there probably need to be some right-of-way acquisition to make the necessary, uh, adjustments specifically with sidewalk. There would need to be some some right-of-way, um, purchasing, either that or permanent easement, um, which would need to be signed off by every property owner, uh, on that street. But it's option, sure.","topics_json":"[\"budget\",\"zoning\",\"public_safety\"]","vector_id":"vec_seg_95601_228","created_at":"2026-10-31T06:55:48Z","speaker_name":null},{"id":"seg_95601_229","meeting_id":"95601","media_asset_id":"med_95601_10461c808b7e3370","agenda_item_id":null,"speaker_id":"off_donyale_m_hall","speaker_confidence":0.95,"start_sec":4380.42,"end_sec":4433.42,"text":"Thank you so much. I just want to give the constituents some options. And if they're amenable to having some of those things done and it's possible, at least, um, fielding the questions in in my mind is just reasonable. Thank you so much. I yield.","topics_json":"[\"public_safety\"]","vector_id":"vec_seg_95601_229","created_at":"2026-10-31T06:55:48Z","speaker_name":"Donyale M. Hall"},{"id":"seg_95601_23","meeting_id":"95601","media_asset_id":"med_95601_10461c808b7e3370","agenda_item_id":null,"speaker_id":"spk_95601_tricia_k_arndt","speaker_confidence":0.95,"start_sec":237.11,"end_sec":340.21,"text":"Uh, thank you. I gave the opening remarks at the American Planning Association Delaware Chapter annual meeting that was held at, uh, Bally's casino here in Dover. I focused my remarks on the redevelopment of downtown and all the great things that we have going on. Uh, continued coordination within my district and the Capital School District, Dover PD, and the neighborhood regarding parking conflicts uh with bus loading zones at the elementary school. Also attended the tree lighting. It was lovely. Um, worked with code enforcement and Public Works on, uh, wrangling some abandoned shomping shopping carts. Uh, so thanks to them for going out and picking them up and cleaning up the, uh, the city. Um, also responded to some complaints about tree trimming, uh, in the Third District and downtown, uh, the company that is doing the the tree trimming for the electric department. Their concerns about the quality of work. Uh, we are having a the state's urban forester come in and take a look and assess the trees and the tree health and provide some recommendations for the contractor. Thank you. I yield.","topics_json":"[\"zoning\",\"public_safety\",\"business\"]","vector_id":"vec_seg_95601_23","created_at":"2026-10-31T06:55:47Z","speaker_name":null},{"id":"seg_95601_230","meeting_id":"95601","media_asset_id":"med_95601_10461c808b7e3370","agenda_item_id":null,"speaker_id":"spk_95601_city_staff","speaker_confidence":0.9,"start_sec":4433.52,"end_sec":4434.52,"text":"You're welcome.","topics_json":"[]","vector_id":"vec_seg_95601_230","created_at":"2026-10-31T06:55:48Z","speaker_name":null},{"id":"seg_95601_231","meeting_id":"95601","media_asset_id":"med_95601_10461c808b7e3370","agenda_item_id":null,"speaker_id":"off_roy_sudler_jr","speaker_confidence":0.95,"start_sec":4434.62,"end_sec":4439.32,"text":"Thank you. The chair recognizes Mr. Suters again if he wishes to share.","topics_json":"[]","vector_id":"vec_seg_95601_231","created_at":"2026-10-31T06:55:48Z","speaker_name":"Roy Sudler, Jr."},{"id":"seg_95601_232","meeting_id":"95601","media_asset_id":"med_95601_10461c808b7e3370","agenda_item_id":null,"speaker_id":"spk_95601_mr_suters","speaker_confidence":0.9,"start_sec":4439.72,"end_sec":4443.32,"text":"I'll just tell him that I'd like to ask questions.","topics_json":"[]","vector_id":"vec_seg_95601_232","created_at":"2026-10-31T06:55:48Z","speaker_name":"Mr. Suters"},{"id":"seg_95601_233","meeting_id":"95601","media_asset_id":"med_95601_10461c808b7e3370","agenda_item_id":null,"speaker_id":"off_roy_sudler_jr","speaker_confidence":0.95,"start_sec":4443.52,"end_sec":4446.72,"text":"Uh, ask direct the questions here, and you can.","topics_json":"[]","vector_id":"vec_seg_95601_233","created_at":"2026-10-31T06:55:48Z","speaker_name":"Roy Sudler, Jr."},{"id":"seg_95601_234","meeting_id":"95601","media_asset_id":"med_95601_10461c808b7e3370","agenda_item_id":null,"speaker_id":"spk_95601_mr_suters","speaker_confidence":0.95,"start_sec":4447.22,"end_sec":4522.12,"text":"Okay. Um, as I said, I am a truck driver, and I drive many roads, and I see many things. For one, when an ambulance is being called off to save somebody, the lights change for that that ambulance, and I know why they do it, because it allows them to get to the person quickly. Okay, that's one. Second thing is on Route 1 is the one road, which I know there's many roads like it, the police officers have a a centerpiece of Route 1 to go from the north side to the south side, which is the gates are remote, which is another device that whoever does the lights and does that, they can do it. I don't want to close the road completely because I don't want my life in danger of a few seconds. I don't want you to go around Division Street. My theory is go with the gate that's remote that someone whoever operates the lights and operates the gates for the police officers on Route 1 could open that way before the fire truck comes, way before the police officer come so they can get to us. My thing is if we don't do anything, regardless if that road is open or closed, they got to get to the child that gets run over, or the elderly man that gets hit, or I get hit, which let me point this out. Before I came to your meeting this morning, backing out of my driveway, almost got hit. Gentleman was doing like 42, 43, whatever that sign was saying, it was in the 40s. We had that digital sign at one time in a person's yard. 4:00 in the morning cuz I was up, that's what time I get up to go to work, they plowed that digital sign over. I'm telling you, and there was nowhere to be found. When we went out there, there was no cars. And that was that was built like a you just don't","topics_json":"[\"public_safety\"]","vector_id":"vec_seg_95601_234","created_at":"2026-10-31T06:55:48Z","speaker_name":"Mr. Suters"},{"id":"seg_95601_235","meeting_id":"95601","media_asset_id":"med_95601_10461c808b7e3370","agenda_item_id":null,"speaker_id":"spk_95601_mr_suiters","speaker_confidence":0.9,"start_sec":4522.14,"end_sec":4718.75,"text":"didn't even know that song was. Mayor, I don't know this gentleman, councilman, I can't see that far away. I agree with all of you. You all been around a lot longer than I have, but the drivers today, they ain't the drivers we grew up to see. And that's why there's so many deaths. On my way over, on the radio, there's been three accidents on my way here, and up in Nu- up north. These people don't know how to drive no more. You- you guys been around this area a lot longer than I have. You've been around a lot longer than me, so you- I- I- I'm- I'm just begging you guys, and I'm asking this gentleman as well. I'm begging y'all. I don't want to see my kids die, my grandchildren get killed. I don't want to see nobody- none of my neighbors, like Jeremy here, I don't want to see none of them get hurt. Our road is 22-foot wide, this gentleman said. The minimum is 24. We have no way of having a sidewalk, so there's no way of dissolving of a sidewalk to make this circle or whatever, which I like that idea. I really do. I would like you to do the same thing to our street, but we don't have it. And you know how that goes: people don't want to give up their property, which me, you can have my property, and- and do whatever you got to do to make that circle. But I just hope that something happens today, cuz receiving an email from y'all telling me I didn't have the majority from 22, 21, whatever you want to say it was, and there's only 36 houses, I don't see how that's not a majority. But I gave you five more today. I'm hoping that five more today and this conversation, something happened with you today is going to be a positive outcome. Cuz I don't want to- I don't want to hurt nobody, but I will tell you, if my grandchildren get hurt, I'm hurting somebody. And y'all are going to bail me out.","topics_json":"[\"public_safety\"]","vector_id":"vec_seg_95601_235","created_at":"2026-10-31T06:55:48Z","speaker_name":"Mr. Suiters"},{"id":"seg_95601_236","meeting_id":"95601","media_asset_id":"med_95601_10461c808b7e3370","agenda_item_id":null,"speaker_id":"off_roy_sudler_jr","speaker_confidence":0.95,"start_sec":4718.75,"end_sec":4718.75,"text":"Thank you, Mr. Suiters.","topics_json":"[]","vector_id":"vec_seg_95601_236","created_at":"2026-10-31T06:55:48Z","speaker_name":"Roy Sudler, Jr."},{"id":"seg_95601_237","meeting_id":"95601","media_asset_id":"med_95601_10461c808b7e3370","agenda_item_id":null,"speaker_id":"spk_95601_mr_suiters","speaker_confidence":0.9,"start_sec":4718.75,"end_sec":4718.75,"text":"Thank you, sir.","topics_json":"[]","vector_id":"vec_seg_95601_237","created_at":"2026-10-31T06:55:48Z","speaker_name":"Mr. Suiters"},{"id":"seg_95601_238","meeting_id":"95601","media_asset_id":"med_95601_10461c808b7e3370","agenda_item_id":null,"speaker_id":"off_roy_sudler_jr","speaker_confidence":0.95,"start_sec":4718.75,"end_sec":4718.75,"text":"Um the chair recognizes Councilwoman Arndt.","topics_json":"[]","vector_id":"vec_seg_95601_238","created_at":"2026-10-31T06:55:48Z","speaker_name":"Roy Sudler, Jr."},{"id":"seg_95601_239","meeting_id":"95601","media_asset_id":"med_95601_10461c808b7e3370","agenda_item_id":null,"speaker_id":"off_tricia_k_arndt","speaker_confidence":0.95,"start_sec":4718.75,"end_sec":4718.75,"text":"Thank you. You are not going to like what I have to say. I think we've heard from many constituents about speeding in their neighborhoods within the city. It it is a problem. I agree with you, folks drive like they just don't care at this point. Um, but if we were to close every street and block off every neighborhood when folks come forward with those complaints, very valid complaints, and those and those issues, I think we're setting a a concerning precedent to close the road. I understand that the petition was submitted. I would argue that the petition, the number of names on the petition should correlate to the majority of the neighborhood, not just the one street, cuz folks that live on Halsey are most likely using Loockerman to access their homes, and perhaps even Division if they want to, you know, it's easier to get to their alleys or behind their homes or what have you. I don't think that it has been demonstrated that the majority of","topics_json":"[\"public_safety\"]","vector_id":"vec_seg_95601_239","created_at":"2026-10-31T06:55:48Z","speaker_name":"Tricia K. Arndt"},{"id":"seg_95601_24","meeting_id":"95601","media_asset_id":"med_95601_10461c808b7e3370","agenda_item_id":null,"speaker_id":"off_fred_a_neil","speaker_confidence":0.95,"start_sec":340.21,"end_sec":349.01,"text":"Thank you, Councilman Councilwoman Arndt. Dr. Sudler? Dr. Sudler's not here. We'll go to Councilman Anderson.","topics_json":"[]","vector_id":"vec_seg_95601_24","created_at":"2026-10-31T06:55:47Z","speaker_name":"Fred A. Neil"},{"id":"seg_95601_240","meeting_id":"95601","media_asset_id":"med_95601_10461c808b7e3370","agenda_item_id":null,"speaker_id":"off_tricia_k_arndt","speaker_confidence":0.95,"start_sec":4718.75,"end_sec":4834.57,"text":"of the neighbors want this street closed. I am not seeing convincing evidence of of folks here to to plead the case. Um I do appreciate Mr. Sudler's passion and his willingness to come to this meeting tonight, but I don't see any of his neighbors um expressing those same concerns. Um with respect to the width of the road, a narrower street lends itself to believe it or not, traffic calming. If you widen a street, you're more likely to have folks going faster. Um I don't think widening the street by by any means is is a solution. I think perhaps the striping could work, cuz again that creates that visual um that makes drivers want to go slower. I think having a a a permanent speed sign there that indicates how fast you're going um as a reminder. Um we have talked in the past about putting signs at that entrance that say no through-way, to deter folks from using it as a through-way to get to Route 1. I think if there is an accident or a situation on 13 uh and traffic needs to be directed, having those options and those connections, it's just good planning to be able to have more than one way in and one way out, and to be able to accommodate traffic when a major route is impeded. So, with that said, I would agree with the mayor to take a look at some other options. I appreciate the work that Mr. Lyon has done. I appreciate his his analysis. I appreciate the police department and their analysis of the speeds, and I appreciate the fire department with their analysis of emergency response. I think we need to listen to the experts that have put the time in and collected the data, and go from there. Thank you. I yield.","topics_json":"[\"public_safety\"]","vector_id":"vec_seg_95601_240","created_at":"2026-10-31T06:55:48Z","speaker_name":"Tricia K. Arndt"},{"id":"seg_95601_241","meeting_id":"95601","media_asset_id":"med_95601_10461c808b7e3370","agenda_item_id":null,"speaker_id":"off_fred_a_neil","speaker_confidence":0.9,"start_sec":4834.57,"end_sec":4836.6,"text":"Mr. Chair.","topics_json":"[]","vector_id":"vec_seg_95601_241","created_at":"2026-10-31T06:55:48Z","speaker_name":"Fred A. Neil"},{"id":"seg_95601_242","meeting_id":"95601","media_asset_id":"med_95601_10461c808b7e3370","agenda_item_id":null,"speaker_id":"off_roy_sudler_jr","speaker_confidence":0.85,"start_sec":4836.6,"end_sec":4842.75,"text":"The chair recognizes Councilman Neil, and then Councilman Neil. Council President.","topics_json":"[]","vector_id":"vec_seg_95601_242","created_at":"2026-10-31T06:55:48Z","speaker_name":"Roy Sudler, Jr."},{"id":"seg_95601_243","meeting_id":"95601","media_asset_id":"med_95601_10461c808b7e3370","agenda_item_id":null,"speaker_id":"off_fred_a_neil","speaker_confidence":0.95,"start_sec":4842.75,"end_sec":4915.35,"text":"Thank you. Um there's another option, you had mentioned traffic circles. But I don't necessarily think that you may need a traffic traffic circle, but I think we do have to get DelDOT into this. The chicane going up the end of of uh uh State Street, is there's a chicane there and the chicane is a very narrow area where you have to kind of squerve around. Now whether your street can handle that or not, but a chicane can be very narrow and yet still require somebody to make basically miss it. They have to make a turn, they're not sending a circle. So that if you can go up to State Street, take a look at it, I think we need to get them in on it and say, okay, here's the situation. When that happens, they talk to the neighbors. You bring the neighbors in and and deal with them, and we'll probably have to get members of the state legislature to finance it, but they'll do that. So I think that there may be a solution with the chicane, and that is a little bit different than what you're","topics_json":"[\"public_safety\"]","vector_id":"vec_seg_95601_243","created_at":"2026-10-31T06:55:48Z","speaker_name":"Fred A. Neil"},{"id":"seg_95601_244","meeting_id":"95601","media_asset_id":"med_95601_10461c808b7e3370","agenda_item_id":null,"speaker_id":"off_fred_a_neil","speaker_confidence":0.95,"start_sec":4915.37,"end_sec":4923.12,"text":"talking about it's not a circle. Uh at, so if you go up to the end of State Street and see exactly what I'm talking about. But I think we have to move as fast as possible. I yield.","topics_json":"[\"public_safety\"]","vector_id":"vec_seg_95601_244","created_at":"2026-10-31T06:55:48Z","speaker_name":"Fred A. Neil"},{"id":"seg_95601_245","meeting_id":"95601","media_asset_id":"med_95601_10461c808b7e3370","agenda_item_id":null,"speaker_id":"off_andre_m_boggerty","speaker_confidence":0.95,"start_sec":4923.19,"end_sec":4925.68,"text":"Thank you. The chair recognizes Ms. May.","topics_json":"[]","vector_id":"vec_seg_95601_245","created_at":"2026-10-31T06:55:48Z","speaker_name":"Andre M. Boggerty"},{"id":"seg_95601_246","meeting_id":"95601","media_asset_id":"med_95601_10461c808b7e3370","agenda_item_id":null,"speaker_id":"spk_95601_rolanda_may","speaker_confidence":0.9,"start_sec":4926.03,"end_sec":5019.5,"text":"Rolanda May, City of Dover. Um, I do not live in his neighborhood, but I do travel in his neighborhood. And I do want to make one point that in what I was told when I had asked for something, and I'm just saying straight up, he's had that happen in his neighborhood, is someone has to die before something can get done. That's what I was told by a city member, that something, in order for something to get done, there has been many things that happened on that street that something still has not been done. And you've had a death. You've had another death. You've had, you've had so much there. And like I said, my my my street is a different a different day, different time. But this gentleman here has had more than what's happened on my street. And I will still fight for my street and my neighborhood, but right now I'm I'm fighting for his neighborhood because there is one thing that I was told, like I said. Someone died, and it just happened to be a child. There's many children in this neighborhood, and there's many children in all the neighborhoods. Fix one, then worry about fixing the others along with it. But we can all do it by starting with one saying, Council cares. Okay, let's move forward. Let's move this, let's move that. We don't want to see any more deaths. And if you guys aren't going to figure something out for this gentleman here and his neighbors, and he has to bring his whole neighborhood, believe me, I will I will make sure that I help him bring every single neighborhood. I will grab a bus,","topics_json":"[\"public_safety\"]","vector_id":"vec_seg_95601_246","created_at":"2026-10-31T06:55:48Z","speaker_name":"Rolanda May"},{"id":"seg_95601_247","meeting_id":"95601","media_asset_id":"med_95601_10461c808b7e3370","agenda_item_id":null,"speaker_id":"spk_95601_rolanda_may","speaker_confidence":0.9,"start_sec":5019.72,"end_sec":5090.8,"text":"load everybody on it, and bring them here. So, Councilman Neil, your your idea of looking into something, great idea. As soon as that happens for him, let's start looking at other neighborhoods without having a death be the the outcome in order for something to be done. Because there are other children that we need to watch out for, too. Not just his grandchildren, not just mine, not just your guys' grandchildren and children. Every child in this neighborhood needs to be able to grow up just as old as we are. And if we can't enforce traffic, uh, speed limit signs, strictly enforced, guess what? It looks like our police department has to buckle down on the 25 means 25, not 30, 35. That's acceptable? It's not acceptable. So, we need to buckle down on speed limit signs, on on fixing one neighborhood, then worry about fixing other neighborhoods that have the same issue. Thank you.","topics_json":"[\"public_safety\"]","vector_id":"vec_seg_95601_247","created_at":"2026-10-31T06:55:48Z","speaker_name":"Rolanda May"},{"id":"seg_95601_248","meeting_id":"95601","media_asset_id":"med_95601_10461c808b7e3370","agenda_item_id":null,"speaker_id":"off_andre_m_boggerty","speaker_confidence":0.95,"start_sec":5090.94,"end_sec":5096.91,"text":"Thank you. Um, well, with that said, doesn't seem like anything else. It sounds as if, if I'm interpreting it right, we're going to ask, um,","topics_json":"[]","vector_id":"vec_seg_95601_248","created_at":"2026-10-31T06:55:48Z","speaker_name":"Andre M. Boggerty"},{"id":"seg_95601_249","meeting_id":"95601","media_asset_id":"med_95601_10461c808b7e3370","agenda_item_id":null,"speaker_id":"off_andre_m_boggerty","speaker_confidence":0.95,"start_sec":5098.05,"end_sec":5105.01,"text":"we're going to ask Mr. Lyon to go back to present more uh options with involving DelDOT. Does that sound—","topics_json":"[\"public_safety\"]","vector_id":"vec_seg_95601_249","created_at":"2026-10-31T06:55:48Z","speaker_name":"Andre M. Boggerty"},{"id":"seg_95601_25","meeting_id":"95601","media_asset_id":"med_95601_10461c808b7e3370","agenda_item_id":null,"speaker_id":"off_david_l_anderson","speaker_confidence":0.95,"start_sec":349.01,"end_sec":393.21,"text":"Thank you, Mr. President. Uh, I've had, uh, the opportunity this month Uh, part of it I gave in the report, uh, a couple weeks ago, and, but some items that also to be covered, uh, of course, a lot of it was meeting with, uh, you know, or speaking with, uh, constituents regarding different issues. Um, it mostly, uh, mostly safety issues. Uh, the I also had the opportunity to, um, talk with, uh, the Chamber of Commerce, uh, about, uh, uh, the setting up an event next year with, uh, Toys for Tots. And, uh, it's, and we discussed ways to, uh, do better promotion for the, uh, uh, food bank, um, at the, uh, uh, holiday, uh, tree lighting with a ceremony. Um, and we had, uh, also we have, uh, the I attended the 72nd anniversary of the fer- historic First Baptist Church. Um, that was a, that that was a very positive event. Um,","topics_json":"[\"public_safety\",\"business\"]","vector_id":"vec_seg_95601_25","created_at":"2026-10-31T06:55:47Z","speaker_name":"David L. Anderson"},{"id":"seg_95601_250","meeting_id":"95601","media_asset_id":"med_95601_10461c808b7e3370","agenda_item_id":null,"speaker_id":"off_david_l_anderson","speaker_confidence":0.95,"start_sec":5105.16,"end_sec":5105.87,"text":"I'll make a motion.","topics_json":"[]","vector_id":"vec_seg_95601_250","created_at":"2026-10-31T06:55:48Z","speaker_name":"David L. Anderson"},{"id":"seg_95601_251","meeting_id":"95601","media_asset_id":"med_95601_10461c808b7e3370","agenda_item_id":null,"speaker_id":"off_andre_m_boggerty","speaker_confidence":0.95,"start_sec":5105.94,"end_sec":5106.51,"text":"Thank you.","topics_json":"[]","vector_id":"vec_seg_95601_251","created_at":"2026-10-31T06:55:48Z","speaker_name":"Andre M. Boggerty"},{"id":"seg_95601_252","meeting_id":"95601","media_asset_id":"med_95601_10461c808b7e3370","agenda_item_id":null,"speaker_id":"off_david_l_anderson","speaker_confidence":0.95,"start_sec":5106.93,"end_sec":5111.98,"text":"Um, thank you, Mr. Chairman. I move that, um, we go back, uh, send this back","topics_json":"[\"public_safety\"]","vector_id":"vec_seg_95601_252","created_at":"2026-10-31T06:55:48Z","speaker_name":"David L. 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Anderson"},{"id":"seg_95601_257","meeting_id":"95601","media_asset_id":"med_95601_10461c808b7e3370","agenda_item_id":null,"speaker_id":"spk_95601_going_to_yield_to","speaker_confidence":0.95,"start_sec":5126.95,"end_sec":5128,"text":"Discussion.","topics_json":"[]","vector_id":"vec_seg_95601_257","created_at":"2026-10-31T06:55:48Z","speaker_name":"going to yield to"},{"id":"seg_95601_258","meeting_id":"95601","media_asset_id":"med_95601_10461c808b7e3370","agenda_item_id":null,"speaker_id":"off_david_l_anderson","speaker_confidence":0.95,"start_sec":5128,"end_sec":5189.3,"text":"Thank you, Mr. Chairman. I agree with the motion. However, um I would would still I'm still with uh delineators to temporarily um make that emergency access only while we study it, because I'm concerned that that we could be studying and especially when we're it's out of our control 6 months, a year, and uh I I don't know if they can wait that long for some action to take place. So I I move that we look at uh that st- that staff um bring brings back to the next meeting a uh a temporary, I I like delineators, Council President, something that the emergency vehicles could go over and could put a sign emergency access only.","topics_json":"[\"public_safety\"]","vector_id":"vec_seg_95601_258","created_at":"2026-10-31T06:55:48Z","speaker_name":"David L. 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Uh, I yield, Mr. President.","topics_json":"[\"business\"]","vector_id":"vec_seg_95601_26","created_at":"2026-10-31T06:55:47Z","speaker_name":"Gerald L. Rocha, Sr."},{"id":"seg_95601_260","meeting_id":"95601","media_asset_id":"med_95601_10461c808b7e3370","agenda_item_id":null,"speaker_id":"off_david_l_anderson","speaker_confidence":0.95,"start_sec":5190.29,"end_sec":5196.87,"text":"I I'm making I'm moving an amendment to uh to ask staff to uh come back next month with a temporary um recommendation for emergency access only.","topics_json":"[\"public_safety\"]","vector_id":"vec_seg_95601_260","created_at":"2026-10-31T06:55:48Z","speaker_name":"David L. Anderson"},{"id":"seg_95601_261","meeting_id":"95601","media_asset_id":"med_95601_10461c808b7e3370","agenda_item_id":null,"speaker_id":"off_fred_a_neil","speaker_confidence":0.95,"start_sec":5196.87,"end_sec":5198.05,"text":"Neil seconds.","topics_json":"[]","vector_id":"vec_seg_95601_261","created_at":"2026-10-31T06:55:48Z","speaker_name":"Fred A. Neil"},{"id":"seg_95601_262","meeting_id":"95601","media_asset_id":"med_95601_10461c808b7e3370","agenda_item_id":null,"speaker_id":"spk_95601_going_to_yield_to","speaker_confidence":0.95,"start_sec":5198.05,"end_sec":5199.67,"text":"Can you There was already a motion on the floor.","topics_json":"[]","vector_id":"vec_seg_95601_262","created_at":"2026-10-31T06:55:48Z","speaker_name":"going to yield to"},{"id":"seg_95601_263","meeting_id":"95601","media_asset_id":"med_95601_10461c808b7e3370","agenda_item_id":null,"speaker_id":"off_david_l_anderson","speaker_confidence":0.95,"start_sec":5199.67,"end_sec":5200.35,"text":"I'm Yes, I'm...","topics_json":"[]","vector_id":"vec_seg_95601_263","created_at":"2026-10-31T06:55:48Z","speaker_name":"David L. Anderson"},{"id":"seg_95601_264","meeting_id":"95601","media_asset_id":"med_95601_10461c808b7e3370","agenda_item_id":null,"speaker_id":"spk_95601_going_to_yield_to","speaker_confidence":0.95,"start_sec":5200.35,"end_sec":5201.09,"text":"Can you restate the motion?","topics_json":"[]","vector_id":"vec_seg_95601_264","created_at":"2026-10-31T06:55:48Z","speaker_name":"going to yield to"},{"id":"seg_95601_265","meeting_id":"95601","media_asset_id":"med_95601_10461c808b7e3370","agenda_item_id":null,"speaker_id":"off_david_l_anderson","speaker_confidence":0.95,"start_sec":5201.09,"end_sec":5237.92,"text":"And I'm moving to add an amendment that staff brings back in the next uh uh month uh next, yeah, next meeting a recommendation of to achieve a temporary emergency access only.","topics_json":"[\"public_safety\"]","vector_id":"vec_seg_95601_265","created_at":"2026-10-31T06:55:48Z","speaker_name":"David L. Anderson"},{"id":"seg_95601_266","meeting_id":"95601","media_asset_id":"med_95601_10461c808b7e3370","agenda_item_id":null,"speaker_id":"spk_95601_going_to_yield_to","speaker_confidence":0.95,"start_sec":5237.92,"end_sec":5257.67,"text":"So let me attempt to restate the motion for clarity for our public. The the original motion is to uh ask Mr. Lyon to go back to Del to uh to to DelDOT to specifically the traffic calming device division to explore options while in the meantime the second the amendment will be to in the meantime to uh add the delineators as a temporary solution until permanent solution is found. Does that does that capture your motion?","topics_json":"[\"public_safety\"]","vector_id":"vec_seg_95601_266","created_at":"2026-10-31T06:55:48Z","speaker_name":"going to yield to"},{"id":"seg_95601_267","meeting_id":"95601","media_asset_id":"med_95601_10461c808b7e3370","agenda_item_id":null,"speaker_id":"spk_95601_going_to_yield_to","speaker_confidence":0.95,"start_sec":5257.67,"end_sec":5258.79,"text":"If not, restate it.","topics_json":"[]","vector_id":"vec_seg_95601_267","created_at":"2026-10-31T06:55:48Z","speaker_name":"going to yield to"},{"id":"seg_95601_268","meeting_id":"95601","media_asset_id":"med_95601_10461c808b7e3370","agenda_item_id":null,"speaker_id":"off_david_l_anderson","speaker_confidence":0.95,"start_sec":5258.79,"end_sec":5266.98,"text":"Well, I I would I liked that, but I wanted the the staff to bring back to us whether it's delineators or a a bollard, um just break, tear-offs in in the next meeting.","topics_json":"[\"public_safety\"]","vector_id":"vec_seg_95601_268","created_at":"2026-10-31T06:55:48Z","speaker_name":"David L. 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Hall"},{"id":"seg_95601_274","meeting_id":"95601","media_asset_id":"med_95601_10461c808b7e3370","agenda_item_id":null,"speaker_id":"spk_95601_going_to_yield_to","speaker_confidence":0.95,"start_sec":5305.24,"end_sec":5308.22,"text":"Thank you. It has been properly moved and second. Are you ready for the question? All those in favor, signify by saying aye.","topics_json":"[]","vector_id":"vec_seg_95601_274","created_at":"2026-10-31T06:55:48Z","speaker_name":"going to yield to"},{"id":"seg_95601_275","meeting_id":"95601","media_asset_id":"med_95601_10461c808b7e3370","agenda_item_id":null,"speaker_id":"off_david_l_anderson","speaker_confidence":0.95,"start_sec":5308.22,"end_sec":5308.59,"text":"Aye.","topics_json":"[]","vector_id":"vec_seg_95601_275","created_at":"2026-10-31T06:55:48Z","speaker_name":"David L. Anderson"},{"id":"seg_95601_276","meeting_id":"95601","media_asset_id":"med_95601_10461c808b7e3370","agenda_item_id":null,"speaker_id":"off_roy_sudler_jr","speaker_confidence":0.95,"start_sec":5308.6,"end_sec":5318.9,"text":"Aye. Any opposed? By the consent, the motion carries. I yield the back to Council President, and please excuse me, I had an emergency phone call I must take.","topics_json":"[]","vector_id":"vec_seg_95601_276","created_at":"2026-10-31T06:55:48Z","speaker_name":"Roy Sudler, Jr."},{"id":"seg_95601_277","meeting_id":"95601","media_asset_id":"med_95601_10461c808b7e3370","agenda_item_id":null,"speaker_id":"off_fred_a_neil","speaker_confidence":0.95,"start_sec":5318.9,"end_sec":5328.9,"text":"Okay. With the conclusion of that committee, I now recognize Chairman Gerald Rocha to conduct the business of the Utility Committee.","topics_json":"[]","vector_id":"vec_seg_95601_277","created_at":"2026-10-31T06:55:48Z","speaker_name":"Fred A. Neil"},{"id":"seg_95601_278","meeting_id":"95601","media_asset_id":"med_95601_10461c808b7e3370","agenda_item_id":null,"speaker_id":"off_gerald_l_rocha_sr","speaker_confidence":0.95,"start_sec":5328.9,"end_sec":5347.6,"text":"Thank you, Council President. I don't I don't see any I know we had Dr. Asousa online, we lost him, and we don't have any committee members, so I now call the Utility Committee to order, and I will entertain a motion to adopt the agenda for this evening.","topics_json":"[]","vector_id":"vec_seg_95601_278","created_at":"2026-10-31T06:55:48Z","speaker_name":"Gerald L. Rocha, Sr."},{"id":"seg_95601_279","meeting_id":"95601","media_asset_id":"med_95601_10461c808b7e3370","agenda_item_id":null,"speaker_id":"off_donyale_m_hall","speaker_confidence":0.85,"start_sec":5347.6,"end_sec":5351.7,"text":"I move that we accept the agenda for this evening.","topics_json":"[]","vector_id":"vec_seg_95601_279","created_at":"2026-10-31T06:55:48Z","speaker_name":"Donyale M. Hall"},{"id":"seg_95601_28","meeting_id":"95601","media_asset_id":"med_95601_10461c808b7e3370","agenda_item_id":null,"speaker_id":"off_andre_m_boggerty","speaker_confidence":0.95,"start_sec":426.93,"end_sec":589.83,"text":"Thank you, Council President, for recognizing me. I'll make this brief, and um um thank you for all the participants and some unnamed um council individuals who were able to assist. We uh um we were able to feed 80 individuals for Thanksgiving and provide things like socks, uh warmers, um heated heated blankets, well, you know, the thermal, not heated blankets, and other items uh or for on Thanksgiving morning. So, I want to thank you, and then the other the other items that were left, we were able to take to an appropriate location to donate for their usage. So, um look forward to continue to serve the community in that way. Um, I had a meeting with the Boys and Girls Club and regarding their new their new building that will be closer to the city, um um to discuss how we can make sure we can effectively use use the building, use the new new um services they will provide. I don't want to steal their thunder because I want to think they will be presenting in January, so we can see some of the activities that we'll be able to provide our children to help curb some inactivities. So, met with the property manager at uh actually Harrington ERA to discuss one of the um the a a few issues that they were having with some trespassing and some other challenges within the um within their property. I think one was paintballed, uh so um I want to thank the the Dover PD and the Chief for talk, you know, speaking with me regarding those properties. So, hopefully, uh we'll we'll be able to um quell that issue. Um, and I want to send a special shout out, um I want to spend a send a special shout out, I was uh proud, even though I didn't go to Delaware State University, I was proudly cheering them on um during the Delaware State and South Carolina State MEAC championship. It was a fun, fun time, and um I think the mayor and others were there to cheer on um the great season Delaware State University football had. So, congratulations to Delaware State, and um and um um I also had a follow-up discussion regarding the uh metal detectors for for the building. I'll complete that re preliminary report, send it to send it to those who are co-chairing that or co-sponsoring that to discuss options and to","topics_json":"[\"public_safety\",\"homelessness\"]","vector_id":"vec_seg_95601_28","created_at":"2026-10-31T06:55:47Z","speaker_name":"Andre M. 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Rocha, Sr."},{"id":"seg_95601_284","meeting_id":"95601","media_asset_id":"med_95601_10461c808b7e3370","agenda_item_id":null,"speaker_id":"spk_95601_jason_lyon","speaker_confidence":0.95,"start_sec":5424.1,"end_sec":5505.2,"text":"Uh thank you, Chair. Uh good evening, committee members. Uh Jason Lyon, director of water and wastewater with the city of of Dover. Um, before you this evening is a uh a water quality improvement project that is in line with our water master plan to continue to replace and upgrade existing uh aged infrastructure, uh also undersized infrastructure um in um three different locations: uh two alleys that are um straddling Fairview Ave, um and Queen Street uh from Clara Street down to Lockerman. Um, the the team uh solicited uh from companies that are um on the state uh supplier for of diversity to the State of Delaware. We held a a a an optional pre-bid meeting, uh received six bids for this project. Um if you go to the next sheet, uh you'll see the the uh the array of costs uh for this project. Um quite a bit of a span. Um, we evaluated the submissions, found that Richard E. Pierson Construction Company uh met the requirements of the project. They have, uh for the record, they have done work on our water mains uh in concert with DelDOT um projects, specifically on Salisbury Road. When they did that realignment, uh they worked on our water main to get that out of the way. Uh so we found them to be ample uh contractors. Their price was under budget, uh and the last thing I want to mention with this project is um we received 80% funding on this project from the omnibus package presented through the Bipartisan Infrastructure Law. Um so there are federal requirements with this project. Um so there will be prevailing wages and and and other additional requirements, uh but it does uh save the city quite a bit of money. 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Jason, you know we've had some um contractors, Bobby Wilson in particular, that's come forward and um made an ask that um especially for federal projects that there be um some subtrac- subcontractor opportunities. Um is this one of those uh moments where um there's some allowance for participation from subcontractors?","topics_json":"[\"business\"]","vector_id":"vec_seg_95601_288","created_at":"2026-10-31T06:55:48Z","speaker_name":"Donyale M. Hall"},{"id":"seg_95601_289","meeting_id":"95601","media_asset_id":"med_95601_10461c808b7e3370","agenda_item_id":null,"speaker_id":"spk_95601_jason_lyon","speaker_confidence":0.95,"start_sec":5526.32,"end_sec":5533.53,"text":"So the federal law with this package did not require it. There are other federal funds uh that are provided that require a solicitation of at least 15% of the subcontracting work. This does not have that. It is not part of the package.","topics_json":"[\"business\"]","vector_id":"vec_seg_95601_289","created_at":"2026-10-31T06:55:48Z","speaker_name":"Jason Lyon"},{"id":"seg_95601_29","meeting_id":"95601","media_asset_id":"med_95601_10461c808b7e3370","agenda_item_id":null,"speaker_id":"off_roy_sudler_jr","speaker_confidence":0.85,"start_sec":589.84,"end_sec":603.16,"text":"will see what what the budget allows pr- um at- prior to presenting. So, I haven't—Council President, I haven't dropped the ball on that. I just want you know we follow up. I just I got the information um November, so, well, um you'll hear that in January's report. I yield.","topics_json":"[\"budget\"]","vector_id":"vec_seg_95601_29","created_at":"2026-10-31T06:55:47Z","speaker_name":"Roy Sudler, Jr."},{"id":"seg_95601_290","meeting_id":"95601","media_asset_id":"med_95601_10461c808b7e3370","agenda_item_id":null,"speaker_id":"off_donyale_m_hall","speaker_confidence":0.95,"start_sec":5533.9,"end_sec":5535.83,"text":"Thank you. I just wanted to make that ask, because I know the question was coming.","topics_json":"[]","vector_id":"vec_seg_95601_290","created_at":"2026-10-31T06:55:48Z","speaker_name":"Donyale M. Hall"},{"id":"seg_95601_291","meeting_id":"95601","media_asset_id":"med_95601_10461c808b7e3370","agenda_item_id":null,"speaker_id":"spk_95601_jason_lyon","speaker_confidence":0.95,"start_sec":5535.83,"end_sec":5568.86,"text":"Understood. And uh and for the record, Mr. Wilson was at the pre-bid meeting, and he did get a list of all the bidder uh the companies that asked for the bid um the bid documentation. So he uh he was provided that information.","topics_json":"[\"business\"]","vector_id":"vec_seg_95601_291","created_at":"2026-10-31T06:55:48Z","speaker_name":"Jason Lyon"},{"id":"seg_95601_292","meeting_id":"95601","media_asset_id":"med_95601_10461c808b7e3370","agenda_item_id":null,"speaker_id":"off_donyale_m_hall","speaker_confidence":0.95,"start_sec":5569.24,"end_sec":5570.48,"text":"I appreciate that. I yield.","topics_json":"[]","vector_id":"vec_seg_95601_292","created_at":"2026-10-31T06:55:48Z","speaker_name":"Donyale M. Hall"},{"id":"seg_95601_293","meeting_id":"95601","media_asset_id":"med_95601_10461c808b7e3370","agenda_item_id":null,"speaker_id":"off_roy_sudler_jr","speaker_confidence":0.95,"start_sec":5571.22,"end_sec":5574.7,"text":"Any other discussion? What's the pleasure of the count- uh committee?","topics_json":"[]","vector_id":"vec_seg_95601_293","created_at":"2026-10-31T06:55:48Z","speaker_name":"Roy Sudler, Jr."},{"id":"seg_95601_294","meeting_id":"95601","media_asset_id":"med_95601_10461c808b7e3370","agenda_item_id":null,"speaker_id":"off_donyale_m_hall","speaker_confidence":0.95,"start_sec":5576.13,"end_sec":5582.59,"text":"I move that we accept accept staff recommendation um afford for the proposed um cost for uh this project.","topics_json":"[\"budget\"]","vector_id":"vec_seg_95601_294","created_at":"2026-10-31T06:55:48Z","speaker_name":"Donyale M. Hall"},{"id":"seg_95601_295","meeting_id":"95601","media_asset_id":"med_95601_10461c808b7e3370","agenda_item_id":null,"speaker_id":"off_tricia_k_arndt","speaker_confidence":0.95,"start_sec":5582.77,"end_sec":5583.27,"text":"Second.","topics_json":"[]","vector_id":"vec_seg_95601_295","created_at":"2026-10-31T06:55:48Z","speaker_name":"Tricia K. 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Uh the Bipartisan Infrastructure grants aren't exactly the easiest ones to to do, and I want to just say to not only you, but the staff, the whole department that worked on that, thank you. I yield.","topics_json":"[\"budget\"]","vector_id":"vec_seg_95601_297","created_at":"2026-10-31T06:55:48Z","speaker_name":"David L. Anderson"},{"id":"seg_95601_298","meeting_id":"95601","media_asset_id":"med_95601_10461c808b7e3370","agenda_item_id":null,"speaker_id":"off_roy_sudler_jr","speaker_confidence":0.95,"start_sec":5631.15,"end_sec":5635.37,"text":"Thank you, Councilman Anderson. Uh with that said, are we ready for the question? 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I attended the Wild Meadows Homeowners Association community and election meeting. I conversed several times with the Delaware Manufactured Homeowners Association uh leadership in problems dealing with leased land housing. In January, I'm sponsoring an ordinance that adds the requirement of a leased land uh house, new or used, to have a title presented for a license to be placed in the community. Special thanks to Eddie Kopp for all the work that he helped uh in creating this document. Some community owners will obtain a home lacking the required DMV license and sell the home to an unsuspecting buyer. Later, the buyer discovers there's a lien against the title. I continue to work with Councilman Rocha and Councilwoman uh P- Pillsbury with the group renewing their bid to bring a civic arena/ice rink to Schutte Park. It will need legislative approval. I continue to respond to every email, and there are many, pro and con, on the traffic safety ordinance that we will be considering in January. Along with Councilman Rocha and Dover planning uh pl- a planner uh Dawn Melson-Williams, I attended a breakfast meeting this morning hosted by the Housing Alliance on Affordable Housing. And that is my report. And with that, we go to uh Chairman Tricia Arndt to conduct the business of the Parks and Recreation and Community Enhancement Committee.","topics_json":"[\"housing\",\"public_safety\",\"business\"]","vector_id":"vec_seg_95601_30","created_at":"2026-10-31T06:55:47Z","speaker_name":"Fred A. Neil"},{"id":"seg_95601_300","meeting_id":"95601","media_asset_id":"med_95601_10461c808b7e3370","agenda_item_id":null,"speaker_id":"off_roy_sudler_jr","speaker_confidence":0.95,"start_sec":5638.23,"end_sec":5640.84,"text":"Oh, it Oh, it's money, yeah. Uh uh Madam Clerk, please call the roll.","topics_json":"[]","vector_id":"vec_seg_95601_300","created_at":"2026-10-31T06:55:48Z","speaker_name":"Roy Sudler, Jr."},{"id":"seg_95601_301","meeting_id":"95601","media_asset_id":"med_95601_10461c808b7e3370","agenda_item_id":null,"speaker_id":"spk_95601_city_clerk","speaker_confidence":0.95,"start_sec":5641.21,"end_sec":5641.77,"text":"Ms. Hall?","topics_json":"[]","vector_id":"vec_seg_95601_301","created_at":"2026-10-31T06:55:48Z","speaker_name":null},{"id":"seg_95601_302","meeting_id":"95601","media_asset_id":"med_95601_10461c808b7e3370","agenda_item_id":null,"speaker_id":"off_donyale_m_hall","speaker_confidence":0.95,"start_sec":5641.89,"end_sec":5642.33,"text":"Yes.","topics_json":"[]","vector_id":"vec_seg_95601_302","created_at":"2026-10-31T06:55:48Z","speaker_name":"Donyale M. 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Thank you uh Mr. Lyon.","topics_json":"[\"budget\"]","vector_id":"vec_seg_95601_316","created_at":"2026-10-31T06:55:48Z","speaker_name":"Roy Sudler, Jr."},{"id":"seg_95601_317","meeting_id":"95601","media_asset_id":"med_95601_10461c808b7e3370","agenda_item_id":null,"speaker_id":"spk_95601_jason_lyon","speaker_confidence":0.95,"start_sec":5659.84,"end_sec":5660.9,"text":"Thank you very much. Have a good night.","topics_json":"[]","vector_id":"vec_seg_95601_317","created_at":"2026-10-31T06:55:48Z","speaker_name":"Jason Lyon"},{"id":"seg_95601_318","meeting_id":"95601","media_asset_id":"med_95601_10461c808b7e3370","agenda_item_id":null,"speaker_id":"off_roy_sudler_jr","speaker_confidence":0.95,"start_sec":5661.08,"end_sec":5692.26,"text":"And uh if there's no no further business for the Utility Committee, I now call the Utility Committee adjourned. 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Uh Jason Osika, Deputy Director of Emergency Management and Communications. This is more of a housekeeping item. Um I received uh notification from the State Fire Marshal, John Rudd, uh in reference to some fee changes that are taking place effective January 1 of '26. Um basically, the fire alarm and sprinkler contractors that go out charge a $25 fee, which then goes back to uh the state. In this case, it would go to the municipality. Um the current code has a discount for apartment buildings and complexes. That will no longer apply. Um this amends our fees to match that with the state. It uh allows um continuity with the state and eliminates any type of confusion with the fire suppression and alarm companies. They're going to end up sending that check uh to that amount to us anyway. Um so right now, uh if you go I have the State Fire Marshal's letter in the packet. Um if you go to page, I think, 41, that's where the main stuff is. Um if you had an apartment building of five or less buildings, it was only a $25 fee. If you had more than five buildings, it was a $15 fee uh with a max at 20 buildings, uh max fee of up to $300. So, they had like a prorated system for apartment complexes. It's going to a flat rate. Every building is $25. Um and I think that's something they found an issue with one of the laws. So, that's what we have there, and I'll take any questions.","topics_json":"[\"public_safety\",\"housing\"]","vector_id":"vec_seg_95601_333","created_at":"2026-10-31T06:55:49Z","speaker_name":"Jason Osika"},{"id":"seg_95601_334","meeting_id":"95601","media_asset_id":"med_95601_10461c808b7e3370","agenda_item_id":null,"speaker_id":"off_david_l_anderson","speaker_confidence":0.95,"start_sec":5870.22,"end_sec":5876.55,"text":"Questions? Uh seeing none, what is the pleasure of the committee?","topics_json":"[]","vector_id":"vec_seg_95601_334","created_at":"2026-10-31T06:55:49Z","speaker_name":"David L. 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That brings us to next item of business, which is quarterly budget review. Mr. Hugg, and you may bring whoever you like. Welcome.","topics_json":"[\"budget\"]","vector_id":"vec_seg_95601_343","created_at":"2026-10-31T06:55:49Z","speaker_name":"Roy Sudler, Jr."},{"id":"seg_95601_344","meeting_id":"95601","media_asset_id":"med_95601_10461c808b7e3370","agenda_item_id":null,"speaker_id":"spk_95601_dave_hugg","speaker_confidence":0.95,"start_sec":5925.44,"end_sec":5968.44,"text":"Good evening. Dave Hugg, City Manager. With me is our our our budget analyst, budget whatever your correct title is these days, Jeff. Jeff Dill, who's actually the man who knows how all the all the money's hidden and all that kind of stuff. We're going to give you a little a kind of a brief snapshot to today, and the only thing I want to say before I turn it back to Jeff is that this is a snapshot. 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Good evening. Jeff Dill, budget analyst, City of Dover. I'm just going to go over a few slides here.","topics_json":"[\"budget\"]","vector_id":"vec_seg_95601_352","created_at":"2026-10-31T06:55:49Z","speaker_name":"Jeff Dill"},{"id":"seg_95601_353","meeting_id":"95601","media_asset_id":"med_95601_10461c808b7e3370","agenda_item_id":null,"speaker_id":"spk_95601_jeff_dill","speaker_confidence":0.95,"start_sec":6009.94,"end_sec":6032.94,"text":"So again, this is as of October, just a four-month snapshot. We're we're looking at basically almost $31 million in revenue, $20 million in expense. Again, you have to realize that that that revenue is is front-loaded. And if you turn to the next page, you'll see some of what makes up that revenue.","topics_json":"[\"budget\"]","vector_id":"vec_seg_95601_353","created_at":"2026-10-31T06:55:49Z","speaker_name":"Jeff Dill"},{"id":"seg_95601_354","meeting_id":"95601","media_asset_id":"med_95601_10461c808b7e3370","agenda_item_id":null,"speaker_id":"spk_95601_jeff_dill","speaker_confidence":0.95,"start_sec":6032.94,"end_sec":6066.24,"text":"We've basically got $17 million from our property tax pilot and penalties, which is about 99% of what we predicted for the budget. Court of Chancery fees were at $1.8 million, that's 41% of a $4.5 million budget. Business licenses, 1.5, $1.5 million. Again, that's 98%. 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Some of them, again, front-loaded expenses, everything they purchase up front. Some they wait till later in the year, so the the one glaring thing that I wanted to kind of point out is our legal fees. We budgeted $400,000 this for FY26, which was more than double what we've ever done in the past, and we're we may run through that $400,000 budget this year, so just just to be aware of that.","topics_json":"[\"budget\"]","vector_id":"vec_seg_95601_357","created_at":"2026-10-31T06:55:49Z","speaker_name":null},{"id":"seg_95601_358","meeting_id":"95601","media_asset_id":"med_95601_10461c808b7e3370","agenda_item_id":null,"speaker_id":"spk_95601_city_staff","speaker_confidence":0.9,"start_sec":6127.04,"end_sec":6136.36,"text":"We did just secure our insurance for 2025-26. That's going up basically 6% to 1.1 million.","topics_json":"[\"budget\"]","vector_id":"vec_seg_95601_358","created_at":"2026-10-31T06:55:49Z","speaker_name":null},{"id":"seg_95601_359","meeting_id":"95601","media_asset_id":"med_95601_10461c808b7e3370","agenda_item_id":null,"speaker_id":"spk_95601_city_staff","speaker_confidence":0.9,"start_sec":6136.98,"end_sec":6161.26,"text":"Next slide is the water fund. You can see basically as of October, 3.8 million in revenue, 2.7 in expense. Everything is relatively stable as far as that 33% threshold that we're looking for.","topics_json":"[\"budget\"]","vector_id":"vec_seg_95601_359","created_at":"2026-10-31T06:55:49Z","speaker_name":null},{"id":"seg_95601_36","meeting_id":"95601","media_asset_id":"med_95601_10461c808b7e3370","agenda_item_id":null,"speaker_id":"spk_95601_tricia_k_arndt","speaker_confidence":1,"start_sec":775.05,"end_sec":782.67,"text":"Motion carries. The agenda is adopted. First item on the agenda, we have the Old Post recreation plan, and to brief us on that item, we have Ms. Dawn Melson-Williams, Principal Planner.","topics_json":"[]","vector_id":"vec_seg_95601_36","created_at":"2026-10-31T06:55:47Z","speaker_name":null},{"id":"seg_95601_360","meeting_id":"95601","media_asset_id":"med_95601_10461c808b7e3370","agenda_item_id":null,"speaker_id":"spk_95601_city_staff","speaker_confidence":0.9,"start_sec":6161.82,"end_sec":6185.98,"text":"Just one other thing to point out, miscellaneous income, it was at 511%. We only budgeted about $74,000 for miscellaneous income. We're currently at $379,000. 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A lot of these you see are us actually finishing previous year projects, so a lot of these would be FY25 projects we're trying to to finish up before we dig into FY26.","topics_json":"[\"budget\"]","vector_id":"vec_seg_95601_363","created_at":"2026-10-31T06:55:49Z","speaker_name":null},{"id":"seg_95601_364","meeting_id":"95601","media_asset_id":"med_95601_10461c808b7e3370","agenda_item_id":null,"speaker_id":"spk_95601_city_staff","speaker_confidence":0.9,"start_sec":6249.13,"end_sec":6291.67,"text":"And lastly, the electric fund. You can see 36 million in revenue, almost 37 million in revenue, total expenses of 38 million. As far as revenues go, when you look at all of the residential, commercial, you know, all those revenues that come in, we're we're hitting right around 30 to 36%, so the revenues are hitting right where we expect them to of at this point in the year. 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If you have any questions, I would be glad to take those.","topics_json":"[\"budget\"]","vector_id":"vec_seg_95601_365","created_at":"2026-10-31T06:55:49Z","speaker_name":null},{"id":"seg_95601_366","meeting_id":"95601","media_asset_id":"med_95601_10461c808b7e3370","agenda_item_id":null,"speaker_id":"spk_95601_council_member","speaker_confidence":0.8,"start_sec":6333.77,"end_sec":6348.37,"text":"Uh questions. Unfortunately, the people that most uh asked for this uh review, it's unfortunate that it was just uh scheduling. Um uh questions uh Mr. Mayor?","topics_json":"[]","vector_id":"vec_seg_95601_366","created_at":"2026-10-31T06:55:49Z","speaker_name":null},{"id":"seg_95601_367","meeting_id":"95601","media_asset_id":"med_95601_10461c808b7e3370","agenda_item_id":null,"speaker_id":"off_robin_r_christiansen","speaker_confidence":0.95,"start_sec":6349.17,"end_sec":6351.77,"text":"I'll yield to any member of your committee first.","topics_json":"[]","vector_id":"vec_seg_95601_367","created_at":"2026-10-31T06:55:49Z","speaker_name":"Robin R. 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Christiansen"},{"id":"seg_95601_372","meeting_id":"95601","media_asset_id":"med_95601_10461c808b7e3370","agenda_item_id":null,"speaker_id":"spk_95601_staff_member","speaker_confidence":0.9,"start_sec":6376.77,"end_sec":6379.47,"text":"I don't know if it is or not. It's uh","topics_json":"[]","vector_id":"vec_seg_95601_372","created_at":"2026-10-31T06:55:49Z","speaker_name":null},{"id":"seg_95601_373","meeting_id":"95601","media_asset_id":"med_95601_10461c808b7e3370","agenda_item_id":null,"speaker_id":"off_robin_r_christiansen","speaker_confidence":0.95,"start_sec":6379.67,"end_sec":6381.77,"text":"Put Mr. Hugg on the hot seat.","topics_json":"[]","vector_id":"vec_seg_95601_373","created_at":"2026-10-31T06:55:49Z","speaker_name":"Robin R. 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It's um","topics_json":"[\"budget\"]","vector_id":"vec_seg_95601_375","created_at":"2026-10-31T06:55:49Z","speaker_name":"Dave Hugg"},{"id":"seg_95601_376","meeting_id":"95601","media_asset_id":"med_95601_10461c808b7e3370","agenda_item_id":null,"speaker_id":"off_robin_r_christiansen","speaker_confidence":0.95,"start_sec":6405.57,"end_sec":6417.07,"text":"Well, I don't want you to do so, but uh just for for my edification and the edification of the body politic that's gathered here, to date, how much have we spent on that particular litigation?","topics_json":"[\"budget\"]","vector_id":"vec_seg_95601_376","created_at":"2026-10-31T06:55:49Z","speaker_name":"Robin R. Christiansen"},{"id":"seg_95601_377","meeting_id":"95601","media_asset_id":"med_95601_10461c808b7e3370","agenda_item_id":null,"speaker_id":"spk_95601_dave_hugg","speaker_confidence":0.95,"start_sec":6417.77,"end_sec":6422.07,"text":"I would say probably half of the money that we've spent so far has been in that litigation.","topics_json":"[\"budget\"]","vector_id":"vec_seg_95601_377","created_at":"2026-10-31T06:55:49Z","speaker_name":"Dave Hugg"},{"id":"seg_95601_378","meeting_id":"95601","media_asset_id":"med_95601_10461c808b7e3370","agenda_item_id":null,"speaker_id":"off_robin_r_christiansen","speaker_confidence":0.95,"start_sec":6422.27,"end_sec":6428.67,"text":"So, we allotted $400,000, and we're close to $200,000 for that particular litigation?","topics_json":"[\"budget\"]","vector_id":"vec_seg_95601_378","created_at":"2026-10-31T06:55:49Z","speaker_name":"Robin R. Christiansen"},{"id":"seg_95601_379","meeting_id":"95601","media_asset_id":"med_95601_10461c808b7e3370","agenda_item_id":null,"speaker_id":"spk_95601_dave_hugg","speaker_confidence":0.95,"start_sec":6427.17,"end_sec":6438.07,"text":"I would yeah, just rough rough guess. Uh we're somewhere in that neighborhood. We I signed a reimbursement today for $98,000 for the firm that's handling that.","topics_json":"[\"budget\"]","vector_id":"vec_seg_95601_379","created_at":"2026-10-31T06:55:49Z","speaker_name":"Dave Hugg"},{"id":"seg_95601_38","meeting_id":"95601","media_asset_id":"med_95601_10461c808b7e3370","agenda_item_id":null,"speaker_id":"spk_95601_unknown_speaker","speaker_confidence":0.5,"start_sec":786.46,"end_sec":789.46,"text":"Just wing it. Do it old school.","topics_json":"[]","vector_id":"vec_seg_95601_38","created_at":"2026-10-31T06:55:47Z","speaker_name":null},{"id":"seg_95601_380","meeting_id":"95601","media_asset_id":"med_95601_10461c808b7e3370","agenda_item_id":null,"speaker_id":"off_robin_r_christiansen","speaker_confidence":0.95,"start_sec":6438.07,"end_sec":6439.57,"text":"That was a bill?","topics_json":"[\"budget\"]","vector_id":"vec_seg_95601_380","created_at":"2026-10-31T06:55:49Z","speaker_name":"Robin R. Christiansen"},{"id":"seg_95601_381","meeting_id":"95601","media_asset_id":"med_95601_10461c808b7e3370","agenda_item_id":null,"speaker_id":"spk_95601_dave_hugg","speaker_confidence":0.95,"start_sec":6439.57,"end_sec":6461.17,"text":"That was a bill. That was the uh There is There is a possibility that there will be some recovery uh of some of those funds, and there will be some portion of it that is covered by our uh our insurance policy. Uh we have what, a 25 or 50, do you remember, the the uh that what we have to cover?","topics_json":"[\"budget\"]","vector_id":"vec_seg_95601_381","created_at":"2026-10-31T06:55:49Z","speaker_name":"Dave Hugg"},{"id":"seg_95601_382","meeting_id":"95601","media_asset_id":"med_95601_10461c808b7e3370","agenda_item_id":null,"speaker_id":"spk_95601_staff_member","speaker_confidence":0.9,"start_sec":6461.67,"end_sec":6464.17,"text":"Uh well, we we have a $25,000 deductible.","topics_json":"[\"budget\"]","vector_id":"vec_seg_95601_382","created_at":"2026-10-31T06:55:49Z","speaker_name":null},{"id":"seg_95601_383","meeting_id":"95601","media_asset_id":"med_95601_10461c808b7e3370","agenda_item_id":null,"speaker_id":"spk_95601_dave_hugg","speaker_confidence":0.95,"start_sec":6464.07,"end_sec":6485.67,"text":"Right, okay. So, we uh so, we won't After the first 25,000, there is some portion of that claim that the insurance company will cover. Um and then we may have to uh go go additional litigation to try and recover some of the expenses that are attributable to a third-party.","topics_json":"[\"budget\"]","vector_id":"vec_seg_95601_383","created_at":"2026-10-31T06:55:49Z","speaker_name":"Dave Hugg"},{"id":"seg_95601_384","meeting_id":"95601","media_asset_id":"med_95601_10461c808b7e3370","agenda_item_id":null,"speaker_id":"off_robin_r_christiansen","speaker_confidence":0.95,"start_sec":6485.97,"end_sec":6488.27,"text":"So, I want everybody to remember and bear","topics_json":"[\"budget\"]","vector_id":"vec_seg_95601_384","created_at":"2026-10-31T06:55:49Z","speaker_name":"Robin R. Christiansen"},{"id":"seg_95601_385","meeting_id":"95601","media_asset_id":"med_95601_10461c808b7e3370","agenda_item_id":null,"speaker_id":"off_robin_r_christiansen","speaker_confidence":0.95,"start_sec":6488.29,"end_sec":6493.08,"text":"bring that figure into your mind. Could you give us that figure again? It's almost half of what we allotted for legal expenses.","topics_json":"[\"budget\"]","vector_id":"vec_seg_95601_385","created_at":"2026-10-31T06:55:49Z","speaker_name":"Robin R. Christiansen"},{"id":"seg_95601_386","meeting_id":"95601","media_asset_id":"med_95601_10461c808b7e3370","agenda_item_id":null,"speaker_id":"spk_95601_city_solicitor","speaker_confidence":0.85,"start_sec":6493.58,"end_sec":6496.74,"text":"Probably it's probably pretty close to half. Like I said, it was on- almost $100,000.","topics_json":"[\"budget\"]","vector_id":"vec_seg_95601_386","created_at":"2026-10-31T06:55:49Z","speaker_name":null},{"id":"seg_95601_387","meeting_id":"95601","media_asset_id":"med_95601_10461c808b7e3370","agenda_item_id":null,"speaker_id":"off_robin_r_christiansen","speaker_confidence":0.95,"start_sec":6496.96,"end_sec":6499.85,"text":"Thank you for your candor. Mr. Chairman, I yield. Thank you.","topics_json":"[]","vector_id":"vec_seg_95601_387","created_at":"2026-10-31T06:55:49Z","speaker_name":"Robin R. Christiansen"},{"id":"seg_95601_388","meeting_id":"95601","media_asset_id":"med_95601_10461c808b7e3370","agenda_item_id":null,"speaker_id":"off_roy_sudler_jr","speaker_confidence":0.95,"start_sec":6500.08,"end_sec":6506.62,"text":"Uh, thank you, Mr. Mayor. I... Um, well okay, uh Councilwoman Arndt?","topics_json":"[]","vector_id":"vec_seg_95601_388","created_at":"2026-10-31T06:55:49Z","speaker_name":"Roy Sudler, Jr."},{"id":"seg_95601_389","meeting_id":"95601","media_asset_id":"med_95601_10461c808b7e3370","agenda_item_id":null,"speaker_id":"off_tricia_k_arndt","speaker_confidence":0.95,"start_sec":6506.82,"end_sec":6513.11,"text":"Just a quick follow up, um without giving, I mean, not asking for a ton of detail, but is that matter related to a zoning issue or a personnel issue?","topics_json":"[\"zoning\"]","vector_id":"vec_seg_95601_389","created_at":"2026-10-31T06:55:49Z","speaker_name":"Tricia K. Arndt"},{"id":"seg_95601_39","meeting_id":"95601","media_asset_id":"med_95601_10461c808b7e3370","agenda_item_id":null,"speaker_id":"spk_95601_unknown_speaker","speaker_confidence":0.5,"start_sec":790.46,"end_sec":796.96,"text":"Don't end it, Andre. See if you can just connect to the— is there a different inter- internet source we could use?","topics_json":"[]","vector_id":"vec_seg_95601_39","created_at":"2026-10-31T06:55:47Z","speaker_name":null},{"id":"seg_95601_390","meeting_id":"95601","media_asset_id":"med_95601_10461c808b7e3370","agenda_item_id":null,"speaker_id":"spk_95601_city_solicitor","speaker_confidence":0.85,"start_sec":6513.57,"end_sec":6519.69,"text":"That that matter is related to initially an appeal by uh an applicant to the Board of Adjustment.","topics_json":"[\"zoning\"]","vector_id":"vec_seg_95601_390","created_at":"2026-10-31T06:55:49Z","speaker_name":null},{"id":"seg_95601_391","meeting_id":"95601","media_asset_id":"med_95601_10461c808b7e3370","agenda_item_id":null,"speaker_id":"off_tricia_k_arndt","speaker_confidence":0.95,"start_sec":6520.21,"end_sec":6522.01,"text":"Thank you very much. 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Um, the... we're looking that so right now, things are as expected pretty much except for uh, a couple of sources of revenue that that are were unexpected. Is that a fair statement?","topics_json":"[\"budget\"]","vector_id":"vec_seg_95601_393","created_at":"2026-10-31T06:55:49Z","speaker_name":"Roy Sudler, Jr."},{"id":"seg_95601_394","meeting_id":"95601","media_asset_id":"med_95601_10461c808b7e3370","agenda_item_id":null,"speaker_id":"spk_95601_city_staff","speaker_confidence":0.85,"start_sec":6596.28,"end_sec":6611.91,"text":"Um, yeah, I mean we're we're kind of on course for what we planned for FY24. There's a couple small things that um were unexpected. 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Uh, I the next uh, question I had was um we...","topics_json":"[]","vector_id":"vec_seg_95601_401","created_at":"2026-10-31T06:55:49Z","speaker_name":"Roy Sudler, Jr."},{"id":"seg_95601_402","meeting_id":"95601","media_asset_id":"med_95601_10461c808b7e3370","agenda_item_id":null,"speaker_id":"off_david_l_anderson","speaker_confidence":0.95,"start_sec":6684.9,"end_sec":6706.26,"text":"We we have a uh state grant that's goes to the university um um the university um cities basically. Um And and my question on that is uh we need to uh appropriate that money to the fire department and the police department. Um If uh uh has We've been looking for a little clarification in language. Uh has that uh come yet?","topics_json":"[\"budget\",\"public_safety\"]","vector_id":"vec_seg_95601_402","created_at":"2026-10-31T06:55:49Z","speaker_name":"David L. 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I understand that there was discussion that the the $1.6 million was to be used as an offset to the city's budget, but the specific language within the grant itself specifies for the universities as you're aware. So, uh before we appropriate those funds, uh we would like to get the official opinion from the Controller General's office. Last year, many of you are aware, $500,000 was allocated to the police department and 1.1 million was allocated to the fire department, but there were no stipulations within that those guidelines uh as to what we could or could not spend the money on. Uh there is there have been internal discussions as far as allocating a percentage of the uh grant funds towards like employee expense and overhead expense for number of calls, uh for example, that are done by the police department and the fire department. That's that's one way that seems to be acceptable within the language of uh of the bill or grant uh grant document within itself. Uh then other than that, no, we have not allocated those funds. It is currently sitting in the general fund in a grant revenue line item.","topics_json":"[\"budget\",\"public_safety\"]","vector_id":"vec_seg_95601_404","created_at":"2026-10-31T06:55:49Z","speaker_name":"Sharon Duca"},{"id":"seg_95601_405","meeting_id":"95601","media_asset_id":"med_95601_10461c808b7e3370","agenda_item_id":null,"speaker_id":"off_david_l_anderson","speaker_confidence":0.95,"start_sec":6815.81,"end_sec":6835.37,"text":"That's good, because we need to uh fund the stipend program, and we need to uh and quite frankly uh you know, we we had a a couple more uh shootings that had happened, and I I we really really need to start getting these uh programs into play. I I can't tell you how much I want to see see those particular line items uh come before us as soon as possible. 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Um, I'm Dawn Melson-Williams, the principal planner with the city's planning department, and um our office, on behalf of the planning commission, brings to you a uh revised active recreation area plan uh for the project known as the Old Post. Um, the project team does have several representatives here in the audience. So if there's questions with um with anything they're presenting, I'm sure they'd be more than happy to come forward. Um, so the Old Post uh project is located at 55 Loockerman Plaza. Um, that is the old post office location. Um, the project uh earlier in 2025 appeared before the uh Parks and Rec Committee and then um received approval of their site development plan with the planning commission. Uh, however in uh continuing to finalize their project plans, there have been some revisions. Uh, and those revisions have necessitated uh it moving back through a review process including the Historic District Commission, which happened um earlier in November, and then the revisit tonight here with their revised active recreation area plan, uh and it is scheduled for the Planning Commission meeting on Monday, um, December 15th for consideration of the um site plan and associated items. Uh, so this committee um is charged with looking at the active recreation area plan that is proposed uh for the project. Uh, we provided in your packet a report that summarizes kind of the the the code requirements for active recreation areas and then the revisions of the proposed project. Um, the applicant provided uh the pretty color picture of the the red uh L-shaped building which is the proposed building and um its surroundings uh to us this afternoon. Um, a similar non-color version was included already in your meeting packets, so this isn't totally new information for you tonight.","topics_json":"[\"zoning\"]","vector_id":"vec_seg_95601_49","created_at":"2026-10-31T06:55:47Z","speaker_name":"Dawn Melson-Williams"},{"id":"seg_95601_5","meeting_id":"95601","media_asset_id":"med_95601_10461c808b7e3370","agenda_item_id":null,"speaker_id":"off_fred_a_neil","speaker_confidence":1,"start_sec":15.14,"end_sec":18.34,"text":"And second by Councilman Rocha. All in favor, please say aye.","topics_json":"[]","vector_id":"vec_seg_95601_5","created_at":"2026-10-31T06:55:47Z","speaker_name":"Fred A. Neil"},{"id":"seg_95601_50","meeting_id":"95601","media_asset_id":"med_95601_10461c808b7e3370","agenda_item_id":null,"speaker_id":"spk_95601_dawn_melson_williams","speaker_confidence":0.9,"start_sec":983.07,"end_sec":1179.67,"text":"Right. Um with active recreation for residential development, there are requirements in the zoning ordinance. Uh this project location in the downtown redevelopment target area requires 75 square feet of active recreation area per dwelling unit. Um with the revisions to this project, their proposed dwelling units um increased from what was 36 units to now 42 units. Um with that requirement, they are required to provide um 3,150 square feet of um active recreation area. Uh they are proposing to do that in several locations. Uh the east side of the building, which would be the top of the screen along where we find Innovation Way, uh they are proposing a what's called the East Zen Garden. Uh it has a meandering path that you can see there, uh some trees and landscape vegetation, uh there's benches proposed in that area, and also a location for a yoga station. Um the West Zen Garden is on the um west side of the building, um here would be towards the bottom of the screen between the building and what is the parking lot area. Uh that's smaller in size, has vegetation and and several benches where you could rest, uh as well as kind of uh pockets of little green space there. Uh interior to the building on the um second floor of the front portion of the building is a proposal for a gym space where there would be exercise equipment uh that would be accessible to the residents um within the building. Uh we did note in our review that the front part of the building um has a different floor to floor height than the rear addition that is being built here, um so there is a difference in elevation that was originally shown with a series of steps. Um we identified that that it should be more of a ramp system for full accessibility um as accessible apartment units would be available on the first floor of the building. Uh additionally, um related to bicycles, there is an indoor bike storage uh space in the building uh and then a bicycle rack uh on the outside where visitors to the building could certainly park their bikes. Uh so in in total with their uh series of the Zen Garden areas and the gym space, they're providing 4,576 square feet, thus meeting the active recreation area requirement. As part of our report beginning on page 3 and continuing on to page 4 and 5 is a series of staff recommendations regarding the um the plans. Um we just had a series of some items to be clarified. We don't think that they um they impact the ability to approve the plan, but it's details that uh would certainly need to be identified before going to construction. And those are like clearly identifying surface materials for things like the the yoga station area, the walking path,","topics_json":"[\"zoning\",\"housing\"]","vector_id":"vec_seg_95601_50","created_at":"2026-10-31T06:55:48Z","speaker_name":"Dawn Melson-Williams"},{"id":"seg_95601_51","meeting_id":"95601","media_asset_id":"med_95601_10461c808b7e3370","agenda_item_id":null,"speaker_id":"spk_95601_dawn_melson_williams","speaker_confidence":0.9,"start_sec":1179.69,"end_sec":1242.99,"text":"um ensuring that the the features are fully accessible, such as those benches can someone traverse the path and reach a bench um if they were mobility-challenged, um and uh some things of that nature, you can see those. Uh we also made a recommendation, and this came out of the Parks um Department, is to include a greater mix of trees. Um their tree planting are tend to be focused on one type of tree, and we know if a one bug likes one tree, we don't want to lose all of them. So some diversity there is encouraged. Uh so today uh this is uh presented to the commission for any um comments and recommendations. Your comments and recommendations will be um verbally presented to the Planning Commission when they consider uh the site plan and this active recreation um plan at their meeting next week. Be happy to answer any questions, and as noted, there's members of the project development team here in the room uh that can address you as well.","topics_json":"[\"zoning\"]","vector_id":"vec_seg_95601_51","created_at":"2026-10-31T06:55:48Z","speaker_name":"Dawn Melson-Williams"},{"id":"seg_95601_52","meeting_id":"95601","media_asset_id":"med_95601_10461c808b7e3370","agenda_item_id":null,"speaker_id":"off_tricia_k_arndt","speaker_confidence":0.95,"start_sec":1242.99,"end_sec":1245.49,"text":"Thank you. Any questions from the committee?","topics_json":"[]","vector_id":"vec_seg_95601_52","created_at":"2026-10-31T06:55:48Z","speaker_name":"Tricia K. Arndt"},{"id":"seg_95601_53","meeting_id":"95601","media_asset_id":"med_95601_10461c808b7e3370","agenda_item_id":null,"speaker_id":"off_fred_a_neil","speaker_confidence":0.95,"start_sec":1245.49,"end_sec":1247.19,"text":"Uh Madam Chair.","topics_json":"[]","vector_id":"vec_seg_95601_53","created_at":"2026-10-31T06:55:48Z","speaker_name":"Fred A. Neil"},{"id":"seg_95601_54","meeting_id":"95601","media_asset_id":"med_95601_10461c808b7e3370","agenda_item_id":null,"speaker_id":"off_tricia_k_arndt","speaker_confidence":0.95,"start_sec":1247.19,"end_sec":1248.89,"text":"Mr. Neil.","topics_json":"[]","vector_id":"vec_seg_95601_54","created_at":"2026-10-31T06:55:48Z","speaker_name":"Tricia K. Arndt"},{"id":"seg_95601_55","meeting_id":"95601","media_asset_id":"med_95601_10461c808b7e3370","agenda_item_id":null,"speaker_id":"off_fred_a_neil","speaker_confidence":0.95,"start_sec":1248.89,"end_sec":1311.49,"text":"Uh thank you, Madam Chair. Um first off, I think they're very fortunate because they're right alongside the library and all they have to do is cross the street and there's a plethora of programs that are going to be there whether they have kids in there or not. There's a marvelous set of of of plans. And perhaps as you as envisioned in the master plan for the downtown area, the stretch alongside Mirror Lake that goes from of uh Loockerman to Division is going to be all kinds of activities if it comes to fruition. And again, they're very fortunate in the position that they're in to be able to do that. It doesn't affect what you what they have to do uh with uh our our planning and within our ordinances. But they're in a marvelous marvelous position for anybody who's looking for recreation to have it there and in future coming up. That's the only remarks I'm going to make. I yield.","topics_json":"[\"zoning\"]","vector_id":"vec_seg_95601_55","created_at":"2026-10-31T06:55:48Z","speaker_name":"Fred A. Neil"},{"id":"seg_95601_56","meeting_id":"95601","media_asset_id":"med_95601_10461c808b7e3370","agenda_item_id":null,"speaker_id":"off_tricia_k_arndt","speaker_confidence":0.95,"start_sec":1311.49,"end_sec":1313.99,"text":"Any other questions or comments?","topics_json":"[]","vector_id":"vec_seg_95601_56","created_at":"2026-10-31T06:55:48Z","speaker_name":"Tricia K. Arndt"},{"id":"seg_95601_57","meeting_id":"95601","media_asset_id":"med_95601_10461c808b7e3370","agenda_item_id":null,"speaker_id":"off_donyale_m_hall","speaker_confidence":0.85,"start_sec":1313.99,"end_sec":1337.69,"text":"I have one question. With regards to the trees, um just to consider not placing them underneath of power lines if there are any power lines on or adjacent to the site, um and making sure it's either the the right tree for the the right spot or just not putting trees under the power lines. Um as I mentioned before, just seeing how the trees are being trimmed under the electric lines, if we could avoid that in the future, that'd be great.","topics_json":"[\"zoning\"]","vector_id":"vec_seg_95601_57","created_at":"2026-10-31T06:55:48Z","speaker_name":"Donyale M. Hall"},{"id":"seg_95601_58","meeting_id":"95601","media_asset_id":"med_95601_10461c808b7e3370","agenda_item_id":null,"speaker_id":"off_tricia_k_arndt","speaker_confidence":0.95,"start_sec":1337.69,"end_sec":1341.09,"text":"And what is the pleasure of the committee?","topics_json":"[]","vector_id":"vec_seg_95601_58","created_at":"2026-10-31T06:55:48Z","speaker_name":"Tricia K. Arndt"},{"id":"seg_95601_59","meeting_id":"95601","media_asset_id":"med_95601_10461c808b7e3370","agenda_item_id":null,"speaker_id":"off_gerald_l_rocha_sr","speaker_confidence":0.85,"start_sec":1341.09,"end_sec":1350.49,"text":"I move to uh accept uh staff recommendation to approve the revised active recreation area plan for this project.","topics_json":"[\"zoning\"]","vector_id":"vec_seg_95601_59","created_at":"2026-10-31T06:55:48Z","speaker_name":"Gerald L. Rocha, Sr."},{"id":"seg_95601_6","meeting_id":"95601","media_asset_id":"med_95601_10461c808b7e3370","agenda_item_id":null,"speaker_id":"spk_95601_multiple_speakers","speaker_confidence":0.9,"start_sec":18.34,"end_sec":18.91,"text":"Aye.","topics_json":"[]","vector_id":"vec_seg_95601_6","created_at":"2026-10-31T06:55:47Z","speaker_name":null},{"id":"seg_95601_60","meeting_id":"95601","media_asset_id":"med_95601_10461c808b7e3370","agenda_item_id":null,"speaker_id":"off_julia_m_pillsbury","speaker_confidence":0.95,"start_sec":1350.49,"end_sec":1352.19,"text":"Pillsbury seconds.","topics_json":"[]","vector_id":"vec_seg_95601_60","created_at":"2026-10-31T06:55:48Z","speaker_name":"Julia M. Pillsbury"},{"id":"seg_95601_61","meeting_id":"95601","media_asset_id":"med_95601_10461c808b7e3370","agenda_item_id":null,"speaker_id":"off_tricia_k_arndt","speaker_confidence":0.95,"start_sec":1352.19,"end_sec":1356.09,"text":"Any discussion? Hearing none, all in favor?","topics_json":"[]","vector_id":"vec_seg_95601_61","created_at":"2026-10-31T06:55:48Z","speaker_name":"Tricia K. Arndt"},{"id":"seg_95601_62","meeting_id":"95601","media_asset_id":"med_95601_10461c808b7e3370","agenda_item_id":null,"speaker_id":"spk_95601_council_members","speaker_confidence":0.9,"start_sec":1356.09,"end_sec":1357.49,"text":"Aye.","topics_json":"[]","vector_id":"vec_seg_95601_62","created_at":"2026-10-31T06:55:48Z","speaker_name":null},{"id":"seg_95601_63","meeting_id":"95601","media_asset_id":"med_95601_10461c808b7e3370","agenda_item_id":null,"speaker_id":"off_tricia_k_arndt","speaker_confidence":0.95,"start_sec":1357.49,"end_sec":1370.59,"text":"Any opposed? Motion carries. Thank you. That concludes the Parks, Recreation, and Community Enhancement Committee. Thank you to our committee members who have joined us, Mr. Lewis and Mr. Cunningham. We appreciate you being here.","topics_json":"[]","vector_id":"vec_seg_95601_63","created_at":"2026-10-31T06:55:48Z","speaker_name":"Tricia K. Arndt"},{"id":"seg_95601_64","meeting_id":"95601","media_asset_id":"med_95601_10461c808b7e3370","agenda_item_id":null,"speaker_id":"spk_95601_female_speaker","speaker_confidence":0.8,"start_sec":1376.3,"end_sec":1377.68,"text":"I'll turn it back to you, Council President.","topics_json":"[]","vector_id":"vec_seg_95601_64","created_at":"2026-10-31T06:55:48Z","speaker_name":null},{"id":"seg_95601_65","meeting_id":"95601","media_asset_id":"med_95601_10461c808b7e3370","agenda_item_id":null,"speaker_id":"off_fred_a_neil","speaker_confidence":0.95,"start_sec":1377.68,"end_sec":1383.42,"text":"I now recognize Chairman Andre Boggerty to conduct the business of the Safety Advisory and Transportation Committee.","topics_json":"[\"public_safety\"]","vector_id":"vec_seg_95601_65","created_at":"2026-10-31T06:55:48Z","speaker_name":"Fred A. Neil"},{"id":"seg_95601_66","meeting_id":"95601","media_asset_id":"med_95601_10461c808b7e3370","agenda_item_id":null,"speaker_id":"off_andre_m_boggerty","speaker_confidence":0.95,"start_sec":1383.42,"end_sec":1390.05,"text":"Thank you, Council President. I call the Safety Advisory Transportation Committee um, order. I move for adoption of the agenda.","topics_json":"[\"public_safety\"]","vector_id":"vec_seg_95601_66","created_at":"2026-10-31T06:55:48Z","speaker_name":"Andre M. Boggerty"},{"id":"seg_95601_67","meeting_id":"95601","media_asset_id":"med_95601_10461c808b7e3370","agenda_item_id":null,"speaker_id":"off_fred_a_neil","speaker_confidence":0.85,"start_sec":1390.05,"end_sec":1391.26,"text":"So moved for adoption.","topics_json":"[]","vector_id":"vec_seg_95601_67","created_at":"2026-10-31T06:55:48Z","speaker_name":"Fred A. Neil"},{"id":"seg_95601_68","meeting_id":"95601","media_asset_id":"med_95601_10461c808b7e3370","agenda_item_id":null,"speaker_id":"off_andre_m_boggerty","speaker_confidence":0.95,"start_sec":1391.26,"end_sec":1395.37,"text":"It has been properly moved and seconded. For the question, all those in favor, signify by saying aye.","topics_json":"[]","vector_id":"vec_seg_95601_68","created_at":"2026-10-31T06:55:48Z","speaker_name":"Andre M. Boggerty"},{"id":"seg_95601_69","meeting_id":"95601","media_asset_id":"med_95601_10461c808b7e3370","agenda_item_id":null,"speaker_id":"spk_95601_council_members","speaker_confidence":0.9,"start_sec":1395.37,"end_sec":1396.27,"text":"Aye.","topics_json":"[]","vector_id":"vec_seg_95601_69","created_at":"2026-10-31T06:55:48Z","speaker_name":null},{"id":"seg_95601_7","meeting_id":"95601","media_asset_id":"med_95601_10461c808b7e3370","agenda_item_id":null,"speaker_id":"off_fred_a_neil","speaker_confidence":1,"start_sec":18.91,"end_sec":29.29,"text":"Any opposed? Hearing none, it's unanimously approved. Uh, first on the agenda, we have council reports and we'll start with the First District with Dr. Pillsbury.","topics_json":"[]","vector_id":"vec_seg_95601_7","created_at":"2026-10-31T06:55:47Z","speaker_name":"Fred A. Neil"},{"id":"seg_95601_70","meeting_id":"95601","media_asset_id":"med_95601_10461c808b7e3370","agenda_item_id":null,"speaker_id":"off_andre_m_boggerty","speaker_confidence":0.95,"start_sec":1396.27,"end_sec":1408.62,"text":"By consent, the motion carries. Um, I now call uh, Jason Lyon, um, a waste- our waste- our water and wastewater director, to update us on the safety concerns on East Loockerman Street. Jason Lyon, the floor is yours.","topics_json":"[\"public_safety\"]","vector_id":"vec_seg_95601_70","created_at":"2026-10-31T06:55:48Z","speaker_name":"Andre M. Boggerty"},{"id":"seg_95601_71","meeting_id":"95601","media_asset_id":"med_95601_10461c808b7e3370","agenda_item_id":null,"speaker_id":"spk_95601_jason_lyon","speaker_confidence":0.95,"start_sec":1408.62,"end_sec":1462.82,"text":"Good evening, committee chair, fellow committee members, Mayor of Dover, and Team Dover. Uh, my name is Jason Lyon. I'm the Director of Water, Wastewater, and Engineering Services uh, here at the City of Dover. Um, I stand before you as part of a team um, that has evaluated this uh, request, which was heard by this committee in late July. Uh, first and foremost, I'd like to commend the folks of the of the East Loockerman Street area, specifically David Suters, who has taken on the the onus of doing the the lifting of this um, this concern. And I believe everything is in in well-meaning and in a good place. Um,","topics_json":"[\"public_safety\"]","vector_id":"vec_seg_95601_71","created_at":"2026-10-31T06:55:48Z","speaker_name":"Jason Lyon"},{"id":"seg_95601_72","meeting_id":"95601","media_asset_id":"med_95601_10461c808b7e3370","agenda_item_id":null,"speaker_id":"spk_95601_jason_lyon","speaker_confidence":0.95,"start_sec":1466.82,"end_sec":1485.23,"text":"so I also want to commend uh, folks from our Public Works team, our fire department, our police department, our city manager's office, and our emergency management and communication team, because, again, this concern is not just affecting one department. Uh, it's several impacts um, throughout the city. So, I do have a presentation, if we could go to that. I'm not sure who's controlling it.","topics_json":"[\"public_safety\"]","vector_id":"vec_seg_95601_72","created_at":"2026-10-31T06:55:48Z","speaker_name":"Jason Lyon"},{"id":"seg_95601_73","meeting_id":"95601","media_asset_id":"med_95601_10461c808b7e3370","agenda_item_id":null,"speaker_id":"spk_95601_jason_lyon","speaker_confidence":0.95,"start_sec":1485.23,"end_sec":1519.88,"text":"And I have to apologize, the font here looks like it's from the 1950s typewriter. I apologize. I think when I-","topics_json":"[]","vector_id":"vec_seg_95601_73","created_at":"2026-10-31T06:55:48Z","speaker_name":"Jason Lyon"},{"id":"seg_95601_74","meeting_id":"95601","media_asset_id":"med_95601_10461c808b7e3370","agenda_item_id":null,"speaker_id":"off_andre_m_boggerty","speaker_confidence":0.9,"start_sec":1519.88,"end_sec":1521.77,"text":"I like it. It's so pleasant that way.","topics_json":"[]","vector_id":"vec_seg_95601_74","created_at":"2026-10-31T06:55:48Z","speaker_name":"Andre M. Boggerty"},{"id":"seg_95601_75","meeting_id":"95601","media_asset_id":"med_95601_10461c808b7e3370","agenda_item_id":null,"speaker_id":"spk_95601_jason_lyon","speaker_confidence":0.95,"start_sec":1521.77,"end_sec":1530.65,"text":"Um, when I uploaded the PowerPoint, it it converted to this font. So, there's going to be a couple of things here that are going to look a little bit funky, so I apologize in advance. If we could go to the next slide, please.","topics_json":"[]","vector_id":"vec_seg_95601_75","created_at":"2026-10-31T06:55:48Z","speaker_name":"Jason Lyon"},{"id":"seg_95601_76","meeting_id":"95601","media_asset_id":"med_95601_10461c808b7e3370","agenda_item_id":null,"speaker_id":"spk_95601_jason_lyon","speaker_confidence":0.95,"start_sec":1530.65,"end_sec":1558.51,"text":"So, a summary of what happened on July 29th, uh, unfortunately, I was not in the audience uh, for that meeting. Uh, and another apology, the QR code that is on the screen was originally intended to go to the minutes of that meeting. I used a free QR creator app and the it expired. So, I'm not trying to hide anything. You can find the minutes on cityofdover.gov. Uh, it is all there. I, again, apologize for that. So, uh, concerns were raised by multiple citizens about speeding and safety concerns on East Loockerman Street, specifically from um, Halsey Street to uh, Little Creek Road. And there's a map showing this on the next slide.","topics_json":"[\"public_safety\"]","vector_id":"vec_seg_95601_76","created_at":"2026-10-31T06:55:48Z","speaker_name":"Jason Lyon"},{"id":"seg_95601_77","meeting_id":"95601","media_asset_id":"med_95601_10461c808b7e3370","agenda_item_id":null,"speaker_id":"spk_95601_jason_lyon","speaker_confidence":0.95,"start_sec":1558.51,"end_sec":1572.91,"text":"Um, so there was a bunch of discourse. Uh, Councilman Anderson requested a petition to be submitted uh, in accordance with our current petition for street renaming policy, uh, having a majority of of uh, of the residents or property owner signatures uh, signed um, for that area. 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Um, I attended the tree lighting ceremony last week and it was lovely and um was warmer than last year. Um, there was something else and I can't Oh, I went to a um a function couple weeks ago um for a newly ordained bishop and it was a lovely service and a lovely uh reception. Thank you.","topics_json":"[]","vector_id":"vec_seg_95601_8","created_at":"2026-10-31T06:55:47Z","speaker_name":"Julia M. Pillsbury"},{"id":"seg_95601_80","meeting_id":"95601","media_asset_id":"med_95601_10461c808b7e3370","agenda_item_id":null,"speaker_id":"spk_95601_city_staff","speaker_confidence":0.9,"start_sec":1585.36,"end_sec":1600.14,"text":"So, um, there was a digital radar sign uh mid mid uh East Loockerman Street uh that was no longer working, uh and if for those of you who have been on the street recently, there is a uh Dover police mobile feed feedback sign that is It's been stationed there uh I believe since uh this meeting concluded.","topics_json":"[\"public_safety\"]","vector_id":"vec_seg_95601_80","created_at":"2026-10-31T06:55:48Z","speaker_name":null},{"id":"seg_95601_81","meeting_id":"95601","media_asset_id":"med_95601_10461c808b7e3370","agenda_item_id":null,"speaker_id":"spk_95601_city_staff","speaker_confidence":0.9,"start_sec":1600.93,"end_sec":1612.51,"text":"So, uh just another recap of of the studies that were performed by the police department on the street. Uh there had been two studies. Uh there is a memo that is included in this packet that reviews the results of that, but I will summarize for the benefit of the of the of the committee.","topics_json":"[\"public_safety\"]","vector_id":"vec_seg_95601_81","created_at":"2026-10-31T06:55:48Z","speaker_name":null},{"id":"seg_95601_82","meeting_id":"95601","media_asset_id":"med_95601_10461c808b7e3370","agenda_item_id":null,"speaker_id":"spk_95601_city_staff","speaker_confidence":0.9,"start_sec":1612.8,"end_sec":1648.05,"text":"Uh the 2023 study found that 4% of the vehicles uh were found to be speeding at enforceable speeds, average speed of 25, fastest speed of 54.","topics_json":"[\"public_safety\"]","vector_id":"vec_seg_95601_82","created_at":"2026-10-31T06:55:48Z","speaker_name":null},{"id":"seg_95601_83","meeting_id":"95601","media_asset_id":"med_95601_10461c808b7e3370","agenda_item_id":null,"speaker_id":"spk_95601_city_staff","speaker_confidence":0.9,"start_sec":1648.69,"end_sec":1659.43,"text":"In 2025, the study was conducted again, and 1% of the vehicles were at enforceable speeds, average speed of 24, fastest speed of 43. Uh we're certainly not denying the fact that there are cars that drive faster than the speed limit here.","topics_json":"[\"public_safety\"]","vector_id":"vec_seg_95601_83","created_at":"2026-10-31T06:55:48Z","speaker_name":null},{"id":"seg_95601_84","meeting_id":"95601","media_asset_id":"med_95601_10461c808b7e3370","agenda_item_id":null,"speaker_id":"spk_95601_city_staff","speaker_confidence":0.9,"start_sec":1660.63,"end_sec":1679.04,"text":"Um so, uh this map shows kind of the area in question. So if you are looking um near the Burger King, which is on Route 13 in the bottom of that image, uh going east on Loockerman Street, you'll enter into what I would call this um development. So Loockerman Street is the the cursor that's going down, uh that continues all the way out to uh East Division Street or Little Creek Road.","topics_json":"[\"public_safety\"]","vector_id":"vec_seg_95601_84","created_at":"2026-10-31T06:55:48Z","speaker_name":null},{"id":"seg_95601_85","meeting_id":"95601","media_asset_id":"med_95601_10461c808b7e3370","agenda_item_id":null,"speaker_id":"spk_95601_city_staff","speaker_confidence":0.9,"start_sec":1679.75,"end_sec":1716.15,"text":"Um so there are 37 properties that face Loockerman Street from that pond to East Division Street.","topics_json":"[\"public_safety\",\"housing\"]","vector_id":"vec_seg_95601_85","created_at":"2026-10-31T06:55:48Z","speaker_name":null},{"id":"seg_95601_86","meeting_id":"95601","media_asset_id":"med_95601_10461c808b7e3370","agenda_item_id":null,"speaker_id":"spk_95601_city_staff","speaker_confidence":0.9,"start_sec":1717.14,"end_sec":1736.9,"text":"Uh I would contend that closing off a road in this uh function would it impact the entire community, not just the folks on East Loockerman Street. So I had uh reached out to Council for some interpretation about the petition with regard to whether it be for just East Loockerman Street or the people that also be affected by it, um and that is why we're here tonight, partially, um so that we can get some clarity on that.","topics_json":"[\"public_safety\"]","vector_id":"vec_seg_95601_86","created_at":"2026-10-31T06:55:48Z","speaker_name":null},{"id":"seg_95601_87","meeting_id":"95601","media_asset_id":"med_95601_10461c808b7e3370","agenda_item_id":null,"speaker_id":"spk_95601_city_staff","speaker_confidence":0.9,"start_sec":1737.19,"end_sec":1754.89,"text":"Now just to keep in mind, the number of properties that would be impacted by this would be 103 properties. That includes the properties that face Division Street, because they would utilize that road, the entry point into East Loockerman Street, to potentially access their house. So, um again, just keep that in mind, 103. Uh if we're looking just at Loockerman Street, it's 37. Uh next slide, please.","topics_json":"[\"public_safety\",\"housing\"]","vector_id":"vec_seg_95601_87","created_at":"2026-10-31T06:55:48Z","speaker_name":null},{"id":"seg_95601_88","meeting_id":"95601","media_asset_id":"med_95601_10461c808b7e3370","agenda_item_id":null,"speaker_id":"spk_95601_city_staff","speaker_confidence":0.9,"start_sec":1756.59,"end_sec":1769.53,"text":"Uh so we received a the petition from Mr. Suthers on or around uh November I'm sorry, September 10th. Um we had uh It is also included in this packet, if you'd like to look at it. The um the line items were 21 um I guess signatures,","topics_json":"[\"public_safety\"]","vector_id":"vec_seg_95601_88","created_at":"2026-10-31T06:55:48Z","speaker_name":null},{"id":"seg_95601_89","meeting_id":"95601","media_asset_id":"med_95601_10461c808b7e3370","agenda_item_id":null,"speaker_id":"spk_95601_mark_novak","speaker_confidence":0.9,"start_sec":1769.53,"end_sec":1925.98,"text":"I should mention that 15 are unique separate property owners. And what I mean by that is there were multiple signatures from the same address. There were a couple of address of signatures that did not have an address aligned with it, so I just made the assumption that they were from Loockerman Street. There is one property owner from South Halsey Road on the petition. So with this in mind, if we were to utilize the East Loockerman Street properties of 37, it does not meet the majority of the petition requested by Councilman Anderson during the meeting. So we can go on to the next slide. Now, you know, knowing that there is an issue on the road, we we don't want to leave you with any We like We'd like to provide a a proposal to help curb the issue and something that has been done in the city limits on numerous streets as an example. So, but just a little background on East Loockerman Street, it's 22 ft wide, which is a very narrow street. In fact, if you were to build a street in Dover now, the the most narrow street you could build is 24 ft. So this of course was built before the the current standards. There is no sidewalk on this road, you'll notice, and there are a lot of topography issues without the sidewalk, and there's some hardscape for property owners that go right up to the to the roll curb. And again, according to our current standards in article 6 A- or .13, this size road would not allow parking on either side of the street. Now, the southern side of East Loockerman Street, you can see on the sign, which is the the side kind of facing Luther Towers, does have signs for no parking on that side, but parking is allowed on the northern side currently. Next slide, please.","topics_json":"[\"public_safety\",\"zoning\"]","vector_id":"vec_seg_95601_89","created_at":"2026-10-31T06:55:48Z","speaker_name":"Mark Novak"},{"id":"seg_95601_9","meeting_id":"95601","media_asset_id":"med_95601_10461c808b7e3370","agenda_item_id":null,"speaker_id":"off_fred_a_neil","speaker_confidence":1,"start_sec":82.31,"end_sec":83.73,"text":"Councilman Rocha.","topics_json":"[]","vector_id":"vec_seg_95601_9","created_at":"2026-10-31T06:55:47Z","speaker_name":"Fred A. 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As we have talked about in this body and and multiple other times, the City of Dover does not allow any elevation change on their pavement, so that means no speed bumps, no speed humps, anything that could slow down a vehicle is not allowed in the City of Dover. And if it's on private property, which this is not, private property would require special consideration. Closing down a road would be a precedent for other communities to prohibit access. We have had multiple roads request having closure, one that comes to mind is Independence Boulevard, which was which which was denied.","topics_json":"[\"public_safety\",\"zoning\"]","vector_id":"vec_seg_95601_90","created_at":"2026-10-31T06:55:48Z","speaker_name":"Mark Novak"},{"id":"seg_95601_91","meeting_id":"95601","media_asset_id":"med_95601_10461c808b7e3370","agenda_item_id":null,"speaker_id":"spk_95601_city_staff","speaker_confidence":0.95,"start_sec":1966.15,"end_sec":2012.35,"text":"having this precedent could open the door for additional developments to request a closure. Um, and you know, something to consider that East Loockerman Street, publicly owned, publicly maintained, publicly paid for, uh this is a public street, uh and by name it should be open to the public. Um, the last thing I'd like to to note with regard to consideration is, um hypothetically if there is an issue on Route 13 that would require a detour, uh this could be a potential detour to get to Route 8. Um, and if the road was closed, this would not be uh a potential and would limit um vehicles moving through the city and congestion issues. So these are all considerations that our team had thought about. Uh next slide, please.","topics_json":"[\"public_safety\"]","vector_id":"vec_seg_95601_91","created_at":"2026-10-31T06:55:48Z","speaker_name":null},{"id":"seg_95601_92","meeting_id":"95601","media_asset_id":"med_95601_10461c808b7e3370","agenda_item_id":null,"speaker_id":"spk_95601_city_staff","speaker_confidence":0.95,"start_sec":2013.45,"end_sec":2073.65,"text":"So, as I mentioned earlier, um this happened probably 10 years ago. Weyandt Avenue, we had some complaints of speeding through um from Governors Avenue to New Burton Road. And on the left, you'll see the original picture, which was the exit- pre-existing conditions. And then on the right, what we um what we did was we we striped double yellow with a white shoulder, uh as there's multiple studies out there that indicate that people tend to focus more when there's striping on the road and try to keep themselves in proper alignment with the with the street. Uh this also occurred on Park Park Drive, right in front of uh Mirror Lake. That road previously had no centerline striping or shoulder, um and it was a wider road, and it induced a little bit more speeding. Um, so to note, after the fact that we put those that striping in, our the Department of Public Works did not receive any speeding complaints after that. Uh next slide, please.","topics_json":"[\"public_safety\"]","vector_id":"vec_seg_95601_92","created_at":"2026-10-31T06:55:48Z","speaker_name":null},{"id":"seg_95601_93","meeting_id":"95601","media_asset_id":"med_95601_10461c808b7e3370","agenda_item_id":null,"speaker_id":"spk_95601_city_staff","speaker_confidence":0.95,"start_sec":2114.55,"end_sec":2162.75,"text":"So, um summary, uh we we don't really have the supporting data. Um, I would be remiss if I didn't mention the tragic fatality that occurred on the street, uh but I would also mention that per the police report that is available online, um the individual that was driving the vehicle was under the influence, and the child that passed away that was in the car was not in a restrained seat. So, um there's a little bit of nuance when we hear these these stories. Again, it's tragic. I feel for the family. Um, but again, I don't believe it was due to the to the design of the road, um but by the terrible decision of the driver. So, um striping again, again, striping has been found by many studies to show that that decrease speeding and increase focus for drivers. Uh our our suggestion and recommendation is to try to seek out funding to put a new feedback sign out there, a permanent one, as well as select uh solicit funding from legislators to stripe the road. Now, this is a very crude um depiction of what the road would look like after some striping. Uh I will mention that this striping orientation would remove parking on the north side, okay? So this would be a change for the folk in that uh have um have been used to parking on the north side, um so that would be something that would be considered.","topics_json":"[\"public_safety\"]","vector_id":"vec_seg_95601_93","created_at":"2026-10-31T06:55:48Z","speaker_name":null},{"id":"seg_95601_94","meeting_id":"95601","media_asset_id":"med_95601_10461c808b7e3370","agenda_item_id":null,"speaker_id":"spk_95601_staff_member","speaker_confidence":0.85,"start_sec":2162.76,"end_sec":2189.36,"text":"by this body, eventually uh by council. So, keep that in mind. Um I don't have a ton of empirical data, but of the times that I have driven down Lockerman Street, I've probably seen a handful of cars during the day on on the north side of that street parked. Um. So, again, I understand the passion um of the of the constituents. Um I'd be happy to answer any questions of this committee.","topics_json":"[]","vector_id":"vec_seg_95601_94","created_at":"2026-10-31T06:55:48Z","speaker_name":null},{"id":"seg_95601_95","meeting_id":"95601","media_asset_id":"med_95601_10461c808b7e3370","agenda_item_id":null,"speaker_id":"off_roy_sudler_jr","speaker_confidence":0.95,"start_sec":2189.36,"end_sec":2192.86,"text":"All right. Thank you. Um are there","topics_json":"[]","vector_id":"vec_seg_95601_95","created_at":"2026-10-31T06:55:48Z","speaker_name":"Roy Sudler, Jr."},{"id":"seg_95601_96","meeting_id":"95601","media_asset_id":"med_95601_10461c808b7e3370","agenda_item_id":null,"speaker_id":"spk_95601_unidentified_council_member","speaker_confidence":0.7,"start_sec":2192.56,"end_sec":2196.96,"text":"be happy to answer, but he had to wait till","topics_json":"[]","vector_id":"vec_seg_95601_96","created_at":"2026-10-31T06:55:48Z","speaker_name":null},{"id":"seg_95601_97","meeting_id":"95601","media_asset_id":"med_95601_10461c808b7e3370","agenda_item_id":null,"speaker_id":"off_roy_sudler_jr","speaker_confidence":0.95,"start_sec":2196.96,"end_sec":2205.66,"text":"Okay. You can please come up, state your name and and your address and","topics_json":"[]","vector_id":"vec_seg_95601_97","created_at":"2026-10-31T06:55:48Z","speaker_name":"Roy Sudler, Jr."},{"id":"seg_95601_98","meeting_id":"95601","media_asset_id":"med_95601_10461c808b7e3370","agenda_item_id":null,"speaker_id":"spk_95601_david_suiters","speaker_confidence":0.95,"start_sec":2205.66,"end_sec":2210.16,"text":"David Suiters, 791 East Loockerman Street.","topics_json":"[]","vector_id":"vec_seg_95601_98","created_at":"2026-10-31T06:55:48Z","speaker_name":"David Suiters"},{"id":"seg_95601_99","meeting_id":"95601","media_asset_id":"med_95601_10461c808b7e3370","agenda_item_id":null,"speaker_id":"off_roy_sudler_jr","speaker_confidence":0.95,"start_sec":2210.16,"end_sec":2211.36,"text":"Good evening, Mr.","topics_json":"[]","vector_id":"vec_seg_95601_99","created_at":"2026-10-31T06:55:48Z","speaker_name":"Roy Sudler, Jr."},{"id":"seg_95607_1","meeting_id":"95607","media_asset_id":"med_95607_hls_7569e475d5ae1a9d","agenda_item_id":null,"speaker_id":"off_fred_a_neil","speaker_confidence":0.95,"start_sec":2.2,"end_sec":47.9,"text":"The open forum segment is provided to extend the opportunity to the general public to share their questions, thoughts, comments, concerns, and complaints. Discussion of any item appearing on the agenda at a public hearing is prohibited during the open forum, as an opportunity will be provided during the consideration of that item. Citizen comments are limited to 3 minutes. Council is prohibited from taking action since they're not in official session. However, they may schedule such items as a regular agenda item and act upon it in the future. Madam Clerk, do we have a list of of these persons who have signed up?","topics_json":"[]","vector_id":"vec_seg_95607_1","created_at":"2026-10-31T07:10:53Z","speaker_name":"Fred A. Neil"},{"id":"seg_95607_10","meeting_id":"95607","media_asset_id":"med_95607_hls_7569e475d5ae1a9d","agenda_item_id":null,"speaker_id":"spk_95607_aliesha_martin","speaker_confidence":0.9,"start_sec":135.7,"end_sec":142.6,"text":"From Bear, Delaware. I just moved away from here. I lived here for 40 years.","topics_json":"[]","vector_id":"vec_seg_95607_10","created_at":"2026-10-31T07:10:53Z","speaker_name":"Aliesha Martin"},{"id":"seg_95607_100","meeting_id":"95607","media_asset_id":"med_95607_hls_7569e475d5ae1a9d","agenda_item_id":null,"speaker_id":"off_roy_sudler_jr","speaker_confidence":0.9,"start_sec":1587.61,"end_sec":1588.54,"text":"Thank you, young lady.","topics_json":"[]","vector_id":"vec_seg_95607_100","created_at":"2026-10-31T07:10:53Z","speaker_name":"Roy Sudler, Jr."},{"id":"seg_95607_101","meeting_id":"95607","media_asset_id":"med_95607_hls_7569e475d5ae1a9d","agenda_item_id":null,"speaker_id":"spk_95607_public_commenter","speaker_confidence":0.95,"start_sec":1588.54,"end_sec":1591.95,"text":"But you just don't give enough to help.","topics_json":"[\"homelessness\"]","vector_id":"vec_seg_95607_101","created_at":"2026-10-31T07:10:53Z","speaker_name":null},{"id":"seg_95607_102","meeting_id":"95607","media_asset_id":"med_95607_hls_7569e475d5ae1a9d","agenda_item_id":null,"speaker_id":"spk_95607_public_commenter","speaker_confidence":0.95,"start_sec":1592.01,"end_sec":1592.84,"text":"Thank you.","topics_json":"[]","vector_id":"vec_seg_95607_102","created_at":"2026-10-31T07:10:53Z","speaker_name":null},{"id":"seg_95607_103","meeting_id":"95607","media_asset_id":"med_95607_hls_7569e475d5ae1a9d","agenda_item_id":null,"speaker_id":"off_roy_sudler_jr","speaker_confidence":0.95,"start_sec":1592.84,"end_sec":1594.61,"text":"Thank you. Thank you.","topics_json":"[]","vector_id":"vec_seg_95607_103","created_at":"2026-10-31T07:10:53Z","speaker_name":"Roy Sudler, Jr."},{"id":"seg_95607_104","meeting_id":"95607","media_asset_id":"med_95607_hls_7569e475d5ae1a9d","agenda_item_id":null,"speaker_id":"off_roy_sudler_jr","speaker_confidence":0.9,"start_sec":1597.11,"end_sec":1598.06,"text":"Madam Clerk.","topics_json":"[]","vector_id":"vec_seg_95607_104","created_at":"2026-10-31T07:10:53Z","speaker_name":"Roy Sudler, Jr."},{"id":"seg_95607_105","meeting_id":"95607","media_asset_id":"med_95607_hls_7569e475d5ae1a9d","agenda_item_id":null,"speaker_id":"spk_95607_city_clerk","speaker_confidence":0.95,"start_sec":1598.06,"end_sec":1600.28,"text":"Mr. Gerald Martin?","topics_json":"[]","vector_id":"vec_seg_95607_105","created_at":"2026-10-31T07:10:53Z","speaker_name":null},{"id":"seg_95607_106","meeting_id":"95607","media_asset_id":"med_95607_hls_7569e475d5ae1a9d","agenda_item_id":null,"speaker_id":"spk_95607_city_clerk","speaker_confidence":0.95,"start_sec":1603.96,"end_sec":1604.96,"text":"No? Gerald Martin?","topics_json":"[]","vector_id":"vec_seg_95607_106","created_at":"2026-10-31T07:10:53Z","speaker_name":null},{"id":"seg_95607_107","meeting_id":"95607","media_asset_id":"med_95607_hls_7569e475d5ae1a9d","agenda_item_id":null,"speaker_id":"spk_95607_city_clerk","speaker_confidence":0.9,"start_sec":1604.96,"end_sec":1609.46,"text":"Martin? Okay. Gerald Martin.","topics_json":"[]","vector_id":"vec_seg_95607_107","created_at":"2026-10-31T07:10:53Z","speaker_name":null},{"id":"seg_95607_108","meeting_id":"95607","media_asset_id":"med_95607_hls_7569e475d5ae1a9d","agenda_item_id":null,"speaker_id":"spk_95607_city_clerk","speaker_confidence":0.9,"start_sec":1612.96,"end_sec":1618.46,"text":"Next is NOI? That's what is written.","topics_json":"[]","vector_id":"vec_seg_95607_108","created_at":"2026-10-31T07:10:53Z","speaker_name":null},{"id":"seg_95607_109","meeting_id":"95607","media_asset_id":"med_95607_hls_7569e475d5ae1a9d","agenda_item_id":null,"speaker_id":"spk_95607_city_clerk","speaker_confidence":0.9,"start_sec":1622.46,"end_sec":1624.26,"text":"Name and address.","topics_json":"[]","vector_id":"vec_seg_95607_109","created_at":"2026-10-31T07:10:53Z","speaker_name":null},{"id":"seg_95607_11","meeting_id":"95607","media_asset_id":"med_95607_hls_7569e475d5ae1a9d","agenda_item_id":null,"speaker_id":"spk_95607_unknown_speaker","speaker_confidence":0.5,"start_sec":107,"end_sec":108.5,"text":"Go to work.","topics_json":"[]","vector_id":"vec_seg_95607_11","created_at":"2026-10-31T07:10:53Z","speaker_name":null},{"id":"seg_95607_110","meeting_id":"95607","media_asset_id":"med_95607_hls_7569e475d5ae1a9d","agenda_item_id":null,"speaker_id":"spk_95607_gerald_martin","speaker_confidence":0.95,"start_sec":1625.16,"end_sec":1711.96,"text":"In the name of Allah, the Most Beneficent, the Most Merciful. I bear witness there is no God but Allah, and I bear witness that Muhammad is his messenger. I greet everybody in the universal words of peace, As-Salaam-Alaikum, which means peace be unto you. Uh, I like I just like to say first of all I agree with everything that everybody said to support their ideal and their views about this ordinance. To me, I know that when I see someone out there on that corner, and I have said this several times, I give you money today, I ain't going to give you money tomorrow. But I do give them money, water, whatever I can do, because I think it's the right thing to do from human heart. The flip side of this is that we worry about a ordinance and the people that's out there, but we don't worry about two blocks away from the Mayor, Irish Mike's, where black people fighting and killing each other. There's no ordinance for that. And it boggles my mind when I see somebody put that on social media, black women fighting, black men killing each other, and there's no outcry two blocks from the Mayor's office, or three blocks from the police office. Then I think like, hmm, like Arsenio Hall...","topics_json":"[\"homelessness\",\"public_safety\"]","vector_id":"vec_seg_95607_110","created_at":"2026-10-31T07:10:53Z","speaker_name":"Gerald Martin"},{"id":"seg_95607_111","meeting_id":"95607","media_asset_id":"med_95607_hls_7569e475d5ae1a9d","agenda_item_id":null,"speaker_id":"spk_95607_public_commenter","speaker_confidence":0.95,"start_sec":1711.95,"end_sec":1853.95,"text":"Mhm. You got the police chief picture all around talking about this dissatisfaction of his conduct. What kind of issues are we really worried about? Right down here, fighting and killing. Irish Mike's, not none of them black people Irish. But they fight and kill each other constantly Wednesday through Sunday, two doors right down from you. It's not even an outcry. But you worried about if somebody want to give a couple dollars to the homeless or some water or some food. Then it was reported to me that City Councilman Brother Roy Sudler and City Councilman Brother Anderson, this y'all district. Y'all letting all that go down, but you worried about somebody come up there ask for some water or something. Salvation Army ask for water and food and money everywhere. Y'all don't say nothing about that. You got to figure out the purpose and the real purpose of what y'all doing. You trying to defer the people over here somewhere else, but Jesus said, \"Feed the homeless. Feed the poor. Give them water if they thirsty.\" But don't be hypocritical about one thing, and then try to pretend you over here for another thing. You need to worry about Irish Mike's and all that killing down there, and ain't nobody standing up. Ain't nobody—well, we going to get y'all out of these seats if y'all don't function in the capacity that y'all supposed to function in. We going to create a new force. If you ain't doing your job, get on out of the way and let somebody else do the job. For real. Peace.","topics_json":"[\"public_safety\",\"homelessness\"]","vector_id":"vec_seg_95607_111","created_at":"2026-10-31T07:10:54Z","speaker_name":null},{"id":"seg_95607_112","meeting_id":"95607","media_asset_id":"med_95607_hls_7569e475d5ae1a9d","agenda_item_id":null,"speaker_id":"off_fred_a_neil","speaker_confidence":0.85,"start_sec":1856.45,"end_sec":1858.45,"text":"Thank you. Madam Clerk.","topics_json":"[]","vector_id":"vec_seg_95607_112","created_at":"2026-10-31T07:10:54Z","speaker_name":"Fred A. 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My name is John Davis, I live at 4 Stoney Drive, Dover. Um, I'm speaking in favor of the ordinance, and I'm doing it for a very simple fact, and that is I think it's common sense. I uh drive up and down Forest Avenue several times a day. I see this uh problem every day, and it concerns me for two reasons: first and most importantly, because of the lives of the individuals that are on uh especially Forest Avenue at the corner of Forest Avenue and Salisbury Road. Um, those particular medians are about 18 inches wide, they're doubled. They're no wider than this podium. Um, they're standing there, um, especially at rush hour. There's people coming around off of Salisbury Road onto Forest Avenue making left-hand turns, and all it takes is for one person to slip in either rainy or snowy conditions and fall, or or just be partially in the road. And unfortunately, some people pulling around Salisbury Road at that particular time of day trying to get home, they might be not paying as much attention as","topics_json":"[\"public_safety\",\"homelessness\"]","vector_id":"vec_seg_95607_117","created_at":"2026-10-31T07:10:54Z","speaker_name":"John Davis"},{"id":"seg_95607_118","meeting_id":"95607","media_asset_id":"med_95607_hls_7569e475d5ae1a9d","agenda_item_id":null,"speaker_id":"spk_95607_public_commenter","speaker_confidence":0.85,"start_sec":1925.95,"end_sec":1983.55,"text":"they should be in terms of er safety, pedestrians, but it's a reality. Um, beginning a week ago, there was an individual on that particular corner in a wheelchair. And what concerns me about that is there's no way, if you're wheelchair-bound, there's no way you can avoid somebody who is making a mistake with their vehicle. Um, it concerns me also for the fact that now that this problem has been exposed, everybody on council is well aware of what we're talking about, that this city is potential lawsuit if we do not act and we do not act safely. Uh, I support uh, I'm not going to repeat a whole lot of items that uh Mr. Halpern said because I thought he said them extremely well. I support that particular ordinance. I'm concerned about the safety of the individuals and the financial liability of our city. Thank you.","topics_json":"[\"public_safety\"]","vector_id":"vec_seg_95607_118","created_at":"2026-10-31T07:10:54Z","speaker_name":null},{"id":"seg_95607_119","meeting_id":"95607","media_asset_id":"med_95607_hls_7569e475d5ae1a9d","agenda_item_id":null,"speaker_id":"off_roy_sudler_jr","speaker_confidence":0.85,"start_sec":1984.65,"end_sec":1986.45,"text":"Thank you. Madam Clerk.","topics_json":"[]","vector_id":"vec_seg_95607_119","created_at":"2026-10-31T07:10:54Z","speaker_name":"Roy Sudler, Jr."},{"id":"seg_95607_12","meeting_id":"95607","media_asset_id":"med_95607_hls_7569e475d5ae1a9d","agenda_item_id":null,"speaker_id":"spk_95607_public_commenter","speaker_confidence":0.9,"start_sec":108.5,"end_sec":110.2,"text":"So now's my three minutes?","topics_json":"[]","vector_id":"vec_seg_95607_12","created_at":"2026-10-31T07:10:53Z","speaker_name":null},{"id":"seg_95607_120","meeting_id":"95607","media_asset_id":"med_95607_hls_7569e475d5ae1a9d","agenda_item_id":null,"speaker_id":"spk_95607_city_clerk","speaker_confidence":0.95,"start_sec":1989.75,"end_sec":1991.45,"text":"Ms. Wanda Smack.","topics_json":"[]","vector_id":"vec_seg_95607_120","created_at":"2026-10-31T07:10:54Z","speaker_name":null},{"id":"seg_95607_121","meeting_id":"95607","media_asset_id":"med_95607_hls_7569e475d5ae1a9d","agenda_item_id":null,"speaker_id":"spk_95607_wanda_smack","speaker_confidence":0.95,"start_sec":2000.75,"end_sec":2008.15,"text":"I've been getting um text messages from people that are online who are being ignored that wish to make public comment.","topics_json":"[]","vector_id":"vec_seg_95607_121","created_at":"2026-10-31T07:10:54Z","speaker_name":"Wanda Smack"},{"id":"seg_95607_122","meeting_id":"95607","media_asset_id":"med_95607_hls_7569e475d5ae1a9d","agenda_item_id":null,"speaker_id":"spk_95607_city_staff","speaker_confidence":0.7,"start_sec":2008.35,"end_sec":2009.85,"text":"They've been added to the list.","topics_json":"[]","vector_id":"vec_seg_95607_122","created_at":"2026-10-31T07:10:54Z","speaker_name":null},{"id":"seg_95607_123","meeting_id":"95607","media_asset_id":"med_95607_hls_7569e475d5ae1a9d","agenda_item_id":null,"speaker_id":"spk_95607_wanda_smack","speaker_confidence":0.95,"start_sec":2009.15,"end_sec":2032.95,"text":"So I'm going to go ahead and say what I got to say right now, just wanted to bring that to the attention. My name is Wanda Smack. I'm a constituent here in the city of Dover. I live off White Oak, okay? I just want to say a couple of statements that have already been stated on this floor, and I just want to say thank you to the five","topics_json":"[]","vector_id":"vec_seg_95607_123","created_at":"2026-10-31T07:10:54Z","speaker_name":"Wanda Smack"},{"id":"seg_95607_124","meeting_id":"95607","media_asset_id":"med_95607_hls_7569e475d5ae1a9d","agenda_item_id":null,"speaker_id":"spk_95607_public_commenter","speaker_confidence":0.95,"start_sec":2032.95,"end_sec":2139.75,"text":"who voted no, um, back on November the 25th. Ms. Arndt, she stated that she has spoken to folks in her district and in her neighborhood, and she read this following statement that was just amazing: \"While I share that very real safety concerns about pedestrians standing in the narrow medians and heavy traffic areas, this ordinance has the potential to create more problems than it solves. It also exposes the city to potential litigation without delivering meaningful improvements to public safety. Thank you.\" And then we had uh Councilman at Large, Mr. Boggerty. He stated that while he supports the safety intent of the ordinance, he cannot support issuing fines to individuals who are panhandling, emphasizing that the moral judgment over need, not their role. And then I just want to also state some couple other things. There's a bunch of lawsuits that have been taken against other cities who tried to pass ordinances like this that were shut down and they were sued. Couple are Street versus uh Schuetzle, Cutting versus the City of Portland, Reed versus the Town of Gilbert, Norton versus the City of Springfield, and there's so many more. And this is just a reminder as a resident and also a volunteer with the homes campaign, if this ordinance does go forward, I hate to say this, they will be suing, and we do not need that as taxpayers.","topics_json":"[\"homelessness\",\"public_safety\"]","vector_id":"vec_seg_95607_124","created_at":"2026-10-31T07:10:54Z","speaker_name":null},{"id":"seg_95607_125","meeting_id":"95607","media_asset_id":"med_95607_hls_7569e475d5ae1a9d","agenda_item_id":null,"speaker_id":"spk_95607_public_commenter","speaker_confidence":0.9,"start_sec":2139.94,"end_sec":2169.74,"text":"There is a better way that we can do this. And I also like to let Councilwoman Tricia Arndt and Donyale Hall know that two times a day I have been going out to the medians. Chief Johnson, you can ask speak with some of your officers. They have helped me. And then I have been moving people off the median, not that I think that it's my job, but if you're leaning and you look like you're on drugs, it is a safety issue. And I have been moving them off. I have been giving you my word. All right, thank you.","topics_json":"[\"public_safety\",\"homelessness\"]","vector_id":"vec_seg_95607_125","created_at":"2026-10-31T07:10:54Z","speaker_name":null},{"id":"seg_95607_126","meeting_id":"95607","media_asset_id":"med_95607_hls_7569e475d5ae1a9d","agenda_item_id":null,"speaker_id":"spk_95607_public_commenter","speaker_confidence":0.9,"start_sec":2170.54,"end_sec":2246.74,"text":"I can't say that for other people who sit on this council. We hear about all the stories, all the complaints, but what are you doing? How do you know that person is homeless? As someone has stated earlier, it's not a look. Homeless comes in all different looks, fashions. It could be couch surfing. It could be all kinds of ways. It could be you staying with your mother with you and your two kids. So let's get that right. Let's look at what homelessness is and stop thinking that these people behind you, as someone stated earlier, is homeless. And I was one of those people that was pointed at. I am not unsheltered, but I am an advocate for them. Thank you.","topics_json":"[\"homelessness\",\"housing\"]","vector_id":"vec_seg_95607_126","created_at":"2026-10-31T07:10:54Z","speaker_name":null},{"id":"seg_95607_127","meeting_id":"95607","media_asset_id":"med_95607_hls_7569e475d5ae1a9d","agenda_item_id":null,"speaker_id":"spk_95607_city_clerk","speaker_confidence":0.95,"start_sec":2248.54,"end_sec":2250.94,"text":"Reginald Daniel.","topics_json":"[]","vector_id":"vec_seg_95607_127","created_at":"2026-10-31T07:10:54Z","speaker_name":null},{"id":"seg_95607_128","meeting_id":"95607","media_asset_id":"med_95607_hls_7569e475d5ae1a9d","agenda_item_id":null,"speaker_id":"spk_95607_reginald_bernard_daniel_ii","speaker_confidence":0.95,"start_sec":2261.64,"end_sec":2286.94,"text":"Good evening, my name is Reginald Bernard Daniel II. I live in Townsend, Delaware, but I am a community health worker and a community engagement specialist working with Eden Parkers. There's been a lot that has been discussed about the importance of public safety with addressing the medians, addressing the moral and financial concerns of continuing to criminalize homelessness,","topics_json":"[\"public_safety\",\"homelessness\"]","vector_id":"vec_seg_95607_128","created_at":"2026-10-31T07:10:54Z","speaker_name":"Reginald Bernard Daniel II"},{"id":"seg_95607_129","meeting_id":"95607","media_asset_id":"med_95607_hls_7569e475d5ae1a9d","agenda_item_id":null,"speaker_id":"spk_95607_chunk22_speaker_1","speaker_confidence":0.9,"start_sec":2246.94,"end_sec":2353.94,"text":"One thing that has not really been discussed that we continue to need to address is that baseline hierarchy of needs is we're still dealing with a crisis of affordability nationally and at the state level and here in the city of Dover. We are continuing to deal with a situation where, you can check, uh, Spotlight Delaware just made an article about it, where 500 more Delawareans are at risk of experiencing homelessness within the next six months. We're dealing with a situation where food is unaffordable. We're dealing with a situation where housing is unaffordable, healthcare is unaffordable. There needs to be a focus on continuing to try to make this a livable city. We are talking so much about feeding the homeless, which is amazing, we should always continue to do that, but we need to address the other concerns. As it has been pointed out, there are so many abandoned buildings here that we could set up, we need to set up open wound care places, that there are so many places that could be set up to meet the needs of those suffering from addiction, but we're missing a critical component, that many of the places that could address that cannot take care of those who are already suffering from open wounds. That is a discrepancy that we need to address. Seeing if we can go about setting up these open wound care facilities, continuing to, uh, promote the use of Narcan, continuing to promote Narcan distributions to not just the police, but to residents as well, that we continue to understand that each and every one of us is responsible to each other because we're all part of this community. While I may not live here, I still work here, I still engage with this place, I still invest in it, because the city of Dover is where I...","topics_json":"[\"homelessness\",\"housing\",\"public_safety\"]","vector_id":"vec_seg_95607_129","created_at":"2026-10-31T07:10:54Z","speaker_name":null},{"id":"seg_95607_13","meeting_id":"95607","media_asset_id":"med_95607_hls_7569e475d5ae1a9d","agenda_item_id":null,"speaker_id":"off_fred_a_neil","speaker_confidence":0.75,"start_sec":110.2,"end_sec":111.5,"text":"Correct.","topics_json":"[]","vector_id":"vec_seg_95607_13","created_at":"2026-10-31T07:10:53Z","speaker_name":"Fred A. Neil"},{"id":"seg_95607_130","meeting_id":"95607","media_asset_id":"med_95607_hls_7569e475d5ae1a9d","agenda_item_id":null,"speaker_id":"spk_95607_public_commenter","speaker_confidence":0.9,"start_sec":2353.94,"end_sec":2403.28,"text":"got my education. The City of Dover is where I come to eat. The City of Dover is where I come to pray. The City of Dover is my home just as much as Townsend is my home. And the people in here are each my brother and sister alike. We need to continue to address that need that we need to care for them and love these people who have not been given the mercy and the charity that is owed to them. We're continuing to punish people who are reaching out in the most desperate of situations. We need to address those baseline hierarchy of needs. We need to address the drug addiction, not just through Narcan, that's just a temporary solution that stops the death, by addressing these open wound care facilities and finding reasonable alternatives to drug use so that they can start those steps towards long-term care and again, the acute nature of affordable.","topics_json":"[\"homelessness\",\"public_safety\"]","vector_id":"vec_seg_95607_130","created_at":"2026-10-31T07:10:54Z","speaker_name":null},{"id":"seg_95607_131","meeting_id":"95607","media_asset_id":"med_95607_hls_7569e475d5ae1a9d","agenda_item_id":null,"speaker_id":"off_robin_r_christiansen","speaker_confidence":0.95,"start_sec":2403.28,"end_sec":2410.57,"text":"Thank you. Thank you very much. And next speaker, Madam Clerk.","topics_json":"[]","vector_id":"vec_seg_95607_131","created_at":"2026-10-31T07:10:54Z","speaker_name":"Robin R. Christiansen"},{"id":"seg_95607_132","meeting_id":"95607","media_asset_id":"med_95607_hls_7569e475d5ae1a9d","agenda_item_id":null,"speaker_id":"spk_95607_city_clerk","speaker_confidence":0.95,"start_sec":2410.57,"end_sec":2414.05,"text":"Douglas Hall.","topics_json":"[]","vector_id":"vec_seg_95607_132","created_at":"2026-10-31T07:10:54Z","speaker_name":null},{"id":"seg_95607_133","meeting_id":"95607","media_asset_id":"med_95607_hls_7569e475d5ae1a9d","agenda_item_id":null,"speaker_id":"spk_95607_douglas_hall","speaker_confidence":0.95,"start_sec":2414.05,"end_sec":2460.94,"text":"Good evening, everyone. Um, I was coming here for a while and kind of about these same situations. I'm here for two different things tonight. Um, the homeless problem, it is a problem, okay? And there's also the addiction issue. I've been talking about it for months. I stopped coming here because it fell on deaf ears. I was supposed to get calls from people, never got them. Um, one of our biggest problems is you guys are allowing people to just come in and buy up everything. And you're forcing people out into hotels. Well, now guess what? The hotels are up for sale. Cuz those hotel owners drain all the money out of the city to put homeless people in them or families in them, and now they're going to sell them. So who's gonna who's gonna who","topics_json":"[\"homelessness\",\"housing\",\"public_safety\"]","vector_id":"vec_seg_95607_133","created_at":"2026-10-31T07:10:54Z","speaker_name":"Douglas Hall"},{"id":"seg_95607_134","meeting_id":"95607","media_asset_id":"med_95607_hls_7569e475d5ae1a9d","agenda_item_id":null,"speaker_id":"spk_95607_public_commenter","speaker_confidence":0.95,"start_sec":2460.93,"end_sec":2471.73,"text":"For all these people who go listen to hotels now, those people can be put out of that hotel for being $60 short after paying already $2,500 for the month. And you guys allow it.","topics_json":"[\"housing\",\"homelessness\"]","vector_id":"vec_seg_95607_134","created_at":"2026-10-31T07:10:54Z","speaker_name":null},{"id":"seg_95607_135","meeting_id":"95607","media_asset_id":"med_95607_hls_7569e475d5ae1a9d","agenda_item_id":null,"speaker_id":"spk_95607_public_commenter","speaker_confidence":0.95,"start_sec":2471.73,"end_sec":2478.93,"text":"But as a landlord, I got to abide by certain laws that the hotels don't. You guys have helped create the problem, you need to help fix it.","topics_json":"[\"housing\",\"homelessness\"]","vector_id":"vec_seg_95607_135","created_at":"2026-10-31T07:10:54Z","speaker_name":null},{"id":"seg_95607_136","meeting_id":"95607","media_asset_id":"med_95607_hls_7569e475d5ae1a9d","agenda_item_id":null,"speaker_id":"spk_95607_public_commenter","speaker_confidence":0.95,"start_sec":2478.93,"end_sec":2487.63,"text":"One of the other issues is, it's more personal. I have a nephew who is an addict. I called your department for help.","topics_json":"[\"public_safety\"]","vector_id":"vec_seg_95607_136","created_at":"2026-10-31T07:10:54Z","speaker_name":null},{"id":"seg_95607_137","meeting_id":"95607","media_asset_id":"med_95607_hls_7569e475d5ae1a9d","agenda_item_id":null,"speaker_id":"spk_95607_public_commenter","speaker_confidence":0.95,"start_sec":2487.63,"end_sec":2498.33,"text":"Your officers, I caught him smoking crack in a vehicle. Called them. They pulled up on it, he had the stuff, he didn't look impaired.","topics_json":"[\"public_safety\"]","vector_id":"vec_seg_95607_137","created_at":"2026-10-31T07:10:54Z","speaker_name":null},{"id":"seg_95607_138","meeting_id":"95607","media_asset_id":"med_95607_hls_7569e475d5ae1a9d","agenda_item_id":null,"speaker_id":"spk_95607_public_commenter","speaker_confidence":0.95,"start_sec":2498.33,"end_sec":2511.03,"text":"He drove out of the city four minutes away, Delaware State Police pulls him over, and boom, he's got a DUI. So whoever's training your officers is not training them correctly.","topics_json":"[\"public_safety\"]","vector_id":"vec_seg_95607_138","created_at":"2026-10-31T07:10:54Z","speaker_name":null},{"id":"seg_95607_139","meeting_id":"95607","media_asset_id":"med_95607_hls_7569e475d5ae1a9d","agenda_item_id":null,"speaker_id":"spk_95607_public_commenter","speaker_confidence":0.95,"start_sec":2511.03,"end_sec":2562.83,"text":"Four minutes later he just magically become dr- uh DUI. It's because they didn't want to do their freaking job. They put me in handcuffs for speaking up because I wouldn't let your officer disrespect me.","topics_json":"[\"public_safety\"]","vector_id":"vec_seg_95607_139","created_at":"2026-10-31T07:10:54Z","speaker_name":null},{"id":"seg_95607_14","meeting_id":"95607","media_asset_id":"med_95607_hls_7569e475d5ae1a9d","agenda_item_id":null,"speaker_id":"spk_95607_public_commenter","speaker_confidence":0.95,"start_sec":111.5,"end_sec":136.5,"text":"Oh, gosh. I didn't, I was waiting for people to introduce the proposal, but you driving down the road, just mind your business, need to get to work, need to get home, need to go pick up a pizza, whatever. And out comes a dog in the road. It's too late for you to do anything. How's that dog doing right now?","topics_json":"[\"public_safety\"]","vector_id":"vec_seg_95607_14","created_at":"2026-10-31T07:10:53Z","speaker_name":null},{"id":"seg_95607_140","meeting_id":"95607","media_asset_id":"med_95607_hls_7569e475d5ae1a9d","agenda_item_id":null,"speaker_id":"spk_95607_public_commenter","speaker_confidence":0.95,"start_sec":2562.83,"end_sec":2575.93,"text":"The other incident I had, I had a- I had a little fender bender with your- one of your officers a couple months ago. Go to- I was told I couldn't see a video, couldn't do anything until I got to court. I took responsibility way before instead of taking three days off of work.","topics_json":"[\"public_safety\"]","vector_id":"vec_seg_95607_140","created_at":"2026-10-31T07:10:54Z","speaker_name":null},{"id":"seg_95607_141","meeting_id":"95607","media_asset_id":"med_95607_hls_7569e475d5ae1a9d","agenda_item_id":null,"speaker_id":"spk_95607_public_commenter","speaker_confidence":0.95,"start_sec":2575.93,"end_sec":2583.13,"text":"Mind you, two years ago I got in a fender bender, gentleman hit me, your officer didn't show up to work to help to help me for court.","topics_json":"[\"public_safety\"]","vector_id":"vec_seg_95607_141","created_at":"2026-10-31T07:10:54Z","speaker_name":null},{"id":"seg_95607_142","meeting_id":"95607","media_asset_id":"med_95607_hls_7569e475d5ae1a9d","agenda_item_id":null,"speaker_id":"spk_95607_public_commenter","speaker_confidence":0.95,"start_sec":2583.13,"end_sec":2593.23,"text":"So you guys want to grab the homeless, charge me 50 bucks for handing money, I'll write you my check now cause I'm going to give them food. I'm going to do whatever I want to do. It's a free country.","topics_json":"[\"homelessness\",\"public_safety\"]","vector_id":"vec_seg_95607_142","created_at":"2026-10-31T07:10:54Z","speaker_name":null},{"id":"seg_95607_143","meeting_id":"95607","media_asset_id":"med_95607_hls_7569e475d5ae1a9d","agenda_item_id":null,"speaker_id":"spk_95607_public_commenter","speaker_confidence":0.95,"start_sec":2593.23,"end_sec":2607.43,"text":"You want to make money? Tell your officers to show up to court when they write tickets. That's revenue for the city. We're paying you guys there to do absolutely nothing. And your officer that hit my vehicle, you know what he said to me? He didn't give a fuck cuz it wasn't his.","topics_json":"[\"public_safety\",\"budget\"]","vector_id":"vec_seg_95607_143","created_at":"2026-10-31T07:10:54Z","speaker_name":null},{"id":"seg_95607_144","meeting_id":"95607","media_asset_id":"med_95607_hls_7569e475d5ae1a9d","agenda_item_id":null,"speaker_id":"spk_95607_public_commenter","speaker_confidence":0.9,"start_sec":2568.53,"end_sec":2598.13,"text":"I asked for body cam footage, couldn't get it. I'm not allowed to have it. But the DOJ says you and you, Mayor Christiansen, are dirty on December 5th. So make it make sense. But we can't get we can't get video of accidents and body cam footage of when your officers are in the wrong. Stop attacking the homeless and hold yourselves accountable. Because you guys are going to get voted out of here, I promise you. Every one of you is going to get voted out of here. You need to resign.","topics_json":"[\"homelessness\",\"public_safety\"]","vector_id":"vec_seg_95607_144","created_at":"2026-10-31T07:10:54Z","speaker_name":null},{"id":"seg_95607_145","meeting_id":"95607","media_asset_id":"med_95607_hls_7569e475d5ae1a9d","agenda_item_id":null,"speaker_id":"off_roy_sudler_jr","speaker_confidence":0.95,"start_sec":2604.23,"end_sec":2605.73,"text":"Madam Clerk.","topics_json":"[]","vector_id":"vec_seg_95607_145","created_at":"2026-10-31T07:10:54Z","speaker_name":"Roy Sudler, Jr."},{"id":"seg_95607_146","meeting_id":"95607","media_asset_id":"med_95607_hls_7569e475d5ae1a9d","agenda_item_id":null,"speaker_id":"spk_95607_city_clerk","speaker_confidence":0.95,"start_sec":2606.83,"end_sec":2613.83,"text":"I'm sorry, it's I think it's Adam W? Is that is that is it Adam?","topics_json":"[]","vector_id":"vec_seg_95607_146","created_at":"2026-10-31T07:10:54Z","speaker_name":null},{"id":"seg_95607_147","meeting_id":"95607","media_asset_id":"med_95607_hls_7569e475d5ae1a9d","agenda_item_id":null,"speaker_id":"spk_95607_adem_w","speaker_confidence":0.9,"start_sec":2613.93,"end_sec":2615.03,"text":"Uh, Adem.","topics_json":"[]","vector_id":"vec_seg_95607_147","created_at":"2026-10-31T07:10:54Z","speaker_name":"Adem W."},{"id":"seg_95607_148","meeting_id":"95607","media_asset_id":"med_95607_hls_7569e475d5ae1a9d","agenda_item_id":null,"speaker_id":"spk_95607_city_clerk","speaker_confidence":0.95,"start_sec":2615.03,"end_sec":2616.63,"text":"Adem? 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You're going to, you either going to slam on your brakes, or a number of things could happen.","topics_json":"[\"public_safety\"]","vector_id":"vec_seg_95607_15","created_at":"2026-10-31T07:10:53Z","speaker_name":null},{"id":"seg_95607_150","meeting_id":"95607","media_asset_id":"med_95607_hls_7569e475d5ae1a9d","agenda_item_id":null,"speaker_id":"spk_95607_adem_w","speaker_confidence":0.9,"start_sec":2618.33,"end_sec":2623.33,"text":"Hello, I'm Adem W. Um, I'm speaking against Ordinance 20-","topics_json":"[\"homelessness\"]","vector_id":"vec_seg_95607_150","created_at":"2026-10-31T07:10:54Z","speaker_name":"Adem W."},{"id":"seg_95607_151","meeting_id":"95607","media_asset_id":"med_95607_hls_7569e475d5ae1a9d","agenda_item_id":null,"speaker_id":"off_roy_sudler_jr","speaker_confidence":0.95,"start_sec":2623.33,"end_sec":2624.43,"text":"Your address?","topics_json":"[]","vector_id":"vec_seg_95607_151","created_at":"2026-10-31T07:10:54Z","speaker_name":"Roy Sudler, Jr."},{"id":"seg_95607_152","meeting_id":"95607","media_asset_id":"med_95607_hls_7569e475d5ae1a9d","agenda_item_id":null,"speaker_id":"spk_95607_adem_w","speaker_confidence":0.9,"start_sec":2624.03,"end_sec":2626.63,"text":"-25 uh 21. And I'm in uh...","topics_json":"[\"homelessness\"]","vector_id":"vec_seg_95607_152","created_at":"2026-10-31T07:10:54Z","speaker_name":"Adem W."},{"id":"seg_95607_153","meeting_id":"95607","media_asset_id":"med_95607_hls_7569e475d5ae1a9d","agenda_item_id":null,"speaker_id":"spk_95607_city_clerk","speaker_confidence":0.95,"start_sec":2626.73,"end_sec":2628.43,"text":"He has his address on here.","topics_json":"[]","vector_id":"vec_seg_95607_153","created_at":"2026-10-31T07:10:54Z","speaker_name":null},{"id":"seg_95607_154","meeting_id":"95607","media_asset_id":"med_95607_hls_7569e475d5ae1a9d","agenda_item_id":null,"speaker_id":"off_roy_sudler_jr","speaker_confidence":0.95,"start_sec":2628.63,"end_sec":2629.83,"text":"Okay. Thank you.","topics_json":"[]","vector_id":"vec_seg_95607_154","created_at":"2026-10-31T07:10:54Z","speaker_name":"Roy Sudler, Jr."},{"id":"seg_95607_155","meeting_id":"95607","media_asset_id":"med_95607_hls_7569e475d5ae1a9d","agenda_item_id":null,"speaker_id":"spk_95607_adem_w","speaker_confidence":0.9,"start_sec":2630.23,"end_sec":2674.73,"text":"So, I believe everybody's here minds here are already set, but I just want to address kind of what I'm seeing happening in this room. Um, we've got these Cruella de Vil looking types here who came out of the woodwork to talk about how we should be fining and criminalizing the homeless, and telling people coming here to speak their own mind that they shouldn't speak for what they believe, that people believe in them, they just want to fine them for being homeless. And what what's actually happening here is, you know, as people have been saying, the homeless have been being pushed place to place, you know, now there's only Christina Park left. So, I I...","topics_json":"[\"homelessness\"]","vector_id":"vec_seg_95607_155","created_at":"2026-10-31T07:10:54Z","speaker_name":"Adem W."},{"id":"seg_95607_156","meeting_id":"95607","media_asset_id":"med_95607_hls_7569e475d5ae1a9d","agenda_item_id":null,"speaker_id":"spk_95607_public_commenter","speaker_confidence":0.9,"start_sec":2674.93,"end_sec":2705.93,"text":"You know, you guys are all welcome in Wilmington. But why is there this indifference? I feel like we need to look at what's happening here, see how the city council is not serving us. It's putting these, trying to sneak these ordinances in to serve an agenda of the state to serve this freaking prison industrial complex, trying to take away from people who don't even have much to give.","topics_json":"[\"public_safety\",\"homelessness\"]","vector_id":"vec_seg_95607_156","created_at":"2026-10-31T07:10:54Z","speaker_name":null},{"id":"seg_95607_157","meeting_id":"95607","media_asset_id":"med_95607_hls_7569e475d5ae1a9d","agenda_item_id":null,"speaker_id":"spk_95607_public_commenter","speaker_confidence":0.9,"start_sec":2706.73,"end_sec":2722.63,"text":"Meanwhile, they brought in these people talking about, \"Oh, it's a it's a safety issue,\" who don't even want to think past the moment of the intersection where they feel that slight discomfort driving by. They don't, they're not capable of it. It's too much for them.","topics_json":"[\"public_safety\",\"homelessness\"]","vector_id":"vec_seg_95607_157","created_at":"2026-10-31T07:10:54Z","speaker_name":null},{"id":"seg_95607_158","meeting_id":"95607","media_asset_id":"med_95607_hls_7569e475d5ae1a9d","agenda_item_id":null,"speaker_id":"spk_95607_public_commenter","speaker_confidence":0.9,"start_sec":2722.93,"end_sec":2786.33,"text":"And you know, I think we need to like pay attention to these kind of situations so maybe maybe our thought process, maybe the like ideas that have been drilled into us can be challenged a little bit so that maybe we can think to act for each other instead of for the profit machine, for the prison industrial complex. So, I just wanted to come here and say that you fining people for being on the median is not going to change anything about the homelessness situation in Delaware. It's not going to change anything about the safety in Delaware or Dover because, one, you're just pushing people to Wilmington, and, two, um if you uh fine somebody, that's not going to, I mean, I guess you can arrest them. I guess that's the whole","topics_json":"[\"homelessness\",\"public_safety\"]","vector_id":"vec_seg_95607_158","created_at":"2026-10-31T07:10:54Z","speaker_name":null},{"id":"seg_95607_159","meeting_id":"95607","media_asset_id":"med_95607_hls_7569e475d5ae1a9d","agenda_item_id":null,"speaker_id":"spk_95607_public_commenter","speaker_confidence":0.9,"start_sec":2781.92,"end_sec":2804.02,"text":"well intention, but that's not really going to uh improve the frequent situation in Dover uh materially. So, thank you for giving me this time. I really hope you guys vote vote against this ordinance and do something for the people of Dover, for the people of Delaware as a whole cuz what you guys do here is going to affect me, too.","topics_json":"[\"homelessness\",\"public_safety\"]","vector_id":"vec_seg_95607_159","created_at":"2026-10-31T07:10:54Z","speaker_name":null},{"id":"seg_95607_16","meeting_id":"95607","media_asset_id":"med_95607_hls_7569e475d5ae1a9d","agenda_item_id":null,"speaker_id":"spk_95607_public_commenter","speaker_confidence":0.95,"start_sec":151.5,"end_sec":214,"text":"Reason why I drove all the way down here today, sorry, is because of the importance of pedestrian safety. And from what I can understand, the city of Dover is doing everything in its power, almost, to keep everyone safe. Unfortunately, there are individuals who don't seem to understand the law of physics. If you stand out in the roadway, and you're not a car, there's a good chance the car is going to win, should there be an impact. Okay? In my opinion, all that the city of Dover, all that Mr. Boggerty, Senator Boggerty, and David Anderson, and like-minded people who literally care about the people in this city and their safety, it's not like","topics_json":"[\"public_safety\"]","vector_id":"vec_seg_95607_16","created_at":"2026-10-31T07:10:53Z","speaker_name":null},{"id":"seg_95607_160","meeting_id":"95607","media_asset_id":"med_95607_hls_7569e475d5ae1a9d","agenda_item_id":null,"speaker_id":"off_fred_a_neil","speaker_confidence":0.95,"start_sec":2804.02,"end_sec":2809.42,"text":"Thank you. Our next uh speaker, Madam Clerk.","topics_json":"[]","vector_id":"vec_seg_95607_160","created_at":"2026-10-31T07:10:54Z","speaker_name":"Fred A. Neil"},{"id":"seg_95607_161","meeting_id":"95607","media_asset_id":"med_95607_hls_7569e475d5ae1a9d","agenda_item_id":null,"speaker_id":"spk_95607_city_clerk","speaker_confidence":0.95,"start_sec":2809.42,"end_sec":2826.42,"text":"Okay. The next name, I can see the first name, it's Robert, but the last name, it looks like it starts with a T, but I it's not legible. Robert? Nope. Okay, then we're going to go online. Brandon Fletcher?","topics_json":"[]","vector_id":"vec_seg_95607_161","created_at":"2026-10-31T07:10:54Z","speaker_name":null},{"id":"seg_95607_162","meeting_id":"95607","media_asset_id":"med_95607_hls_7569e475d5ae1a9d","agenda_item_id":null,"speaker_id":"spk_95607_brandon_fletcher","speaker_confidence":0.95,"start_sec":2830.72,"end_sec":2832.32,"text":"Hello, can you hear me?","topics_json":"[]","vector_id":"vec_seg_95607_162","created_at":"2026-10-31T07:10:54Z","speaker_name":"Brandon Fletcher"},{"id":"seg_95607_163","meeting_id":"95607","media_asset_id":"med_95607_hls_7569e475d5ae1a9d","agenda_item_id":null,"speaker_id":"spk_95607_city_clerk","speaker_confidence":0.9,"start_sec":2832.32,"end_sec":2833.02,"text":"Yes.","topics_json":"[]","vector_id":"vec_seg_95607_163","created_at":"2026-10-31T07:10:54Z","speaker_name":null},{"id":"seg_95607_164","meeting_id":"95607","media_asset_id":"med_95607_hls_7569e475d5ae1a9d","agenda_item_id":null,"speaker_id":"off_fred_a_neil","speaker_confidence":0.95,"start_sec":2833.02,"end_sec":2834.22,"text":"Yes.","topics_json":"[]","vector_id":"vec_seg_95607_164","created_at":"2026-10-31T07:10:54Z","speaker_name":"Fred A. Neil"},{"id":"seg_95607_165","meeting_id":"95607","media_asset_id":"med_95607_hls_7569e475d5ae1a9d","agenda_item_id":null,"speaker_id":"spk_95607_brandon_fletcher","speaker_confidence":0.95,"start_sec":2834.92,"end_sec":2888.92,"text":"Good evening, council members. My name is Brandon Fletcher, and I live in uh Wilmington. I am here to oppose Ordinance 2025-21, which would fine our neighbors for asking for help at roadsides and ticket community members who try to help them. First, I want to thank the five city council members who voted no at the last Committee of the uh the Whole meeting in November. Um your vote um is important, it showed compassion, common sense, and and real leadership, and we appreciate you for standing up for our community. Um this ordinance claims to be about traffic safety, but in reality, all it does is just attempt to criminalize homelessness rather than forcing the city to actually address it. Fining people who have no money does not stop homelessness,","topics_json":"[\"homelessness\",\"public_safety\"]","vector_id":"vec_seg_95607_165","created_at":"2026-10-31T07:10:54Z","speaker_name":"Brandon Fletcher"},{"id":"seg_95607_166","meeting_id":"95607","media_asset_id":"med_95607_hls_7569e475d5ae1a9d","agenda_item_id":null,"speaker_id":"spk_95607_public_commenter","speaker_confidence":0.95,"start_sec":2888.92,"end_sec":2995.92,"text":"It's a waste of taxpayer money to have Dover police officers issuing tickets that cannot be paid, instead of allowing them to focus on real public safety issues that exist in the city of Dover. It's especially concerning that this ordinance would punish people simply for trying to help others. Banning acts of kindness is cruel and and does not reflect the values of the state of Delaware. I encourage the City Council to focus on policies that are grounded in reality and fact, not fear. Homelessness is a complex issue. It's a um a messy issue, um and scare-based solutions do not work. The real solution is for Dover City Council to work with the state and the county to invest in affordable housing and supportive resources as has been mentioned this entire night. I also urge the mayor, Christiansen, to use his role on the the um the Interagency Council for Ending Homelessness um to work collaboratively with City Council on real evidence-based solutions that actually help people regain stability. Uh also this this ordinance is unconstitutional. Um you will be sued. The First Amendment protects peaceful requests for charity in public spaces, and panhandling is protected speech. Cities across the country have lost costly lawsuits over similar ordinances. Those resources could be spent helping connect people to housing. Dover should not open itself up to unnecessary litigation. Ordinance 25-21 is a cruel, ineffective, and legally risky ordinance. Dover should not fine","topics_json":"[\"homelessness\",\"housing\",\"public_safety\"]","vector_id":"vec_seg_95607_166","created_at":"2026-10-31T07:10:54Z","speaker_name":null},{"id":"seg_95607_167","meeting_id":"95607","media_asset_id":"med_95607_hls_7569e475d5ae1a9d","agenda_item_id":null,"speaker_id":"spk_95607_public_commenter","speaker_confidence":0.9,"start_sec":2995.92,"end_sec":3006.02,"text":"and arrest people for being poor, I respectfully urge City Council to reject Councilman Anderson's Ordinance 2025-21. Thank you for your time and service.","topics_json":"[\"homelessness\",\"housing\",\"public_safety\"]","vector_id":"vec_seg_95607_167","created_at":"2026-10-31T07:10:54Z","speaker_name":null},{"id":"seg_95607_168","meeting_id":"95607","media_asset_id":"med_95607_hls_7569e475d5ae1a9d","agenda_item_id":null,"speaker_id":"off_fred_a_neil","speaker_confidence":0.95,"start_sec":3006.82,"end_sec":3008.22,"text":"Thank you.","topics_json":"[]","vector_id":"vec_seg_95607_168","created_at":"2026-10-31T07:10:54Z","speaker_name":"Fred A. Neil"},{"id":"seg_95607_169","meeting_id":"95607","media_asset_id":"med_95607_hls_7569e475d5ae1a9d","agenda_item_id":null,"speaker_id":"off_fred_a_neil","speaker_confidence":0.95,"start_sec":3009.82,"end_sec":3011.22,"text":"Madam Clerk?","topics_json":"[]","vector_id":"vec_seg_95607_169","created_at":"2026-10-31T07:10:54Z","speaker_name":"Fred A. Neil"},{"id":"seg_95607_17","meeting_id":"95607","media_asset_id":"med_95607_hls_7569e475d5ae1a9d","agenda_item_id":null,"speaker_id":"spk_95607_public_commenter","speaker_confidence":0.9,"start_sec":213.99,"end_sec":221.39,"text":"Anybody's trying to quiet your freedom of speech, or anything like that. It's just","topics_json":"[]","vector_id":"vec_seg_95607_17","created_at":"2026-10-31T07:10:53Z","speaker_name":null},{"id":"seg_95607_170","meeting_id":"95607","media_asset_id":"med_95607_hls_7569e475d5ae1a9d","agenda_item_id":null,"speaker_id":"spk_95607_city_clerk","speaker_confidence":0.95,"start_sec":3012.42,"end_sec":3016.12,"text":"We're we're still online. Carrie Kirby?","topics_json":"[]","vector_id":"vec_seg_95607_170","created_at":"2026-10-31T07:10:54Z","speaker_name":null},{"id":"seg_95607_171","meeting_id":"95607","media_asset_id":"med_95607_hls_7569e475d5ae1a9d","agenda_item_id":null,"speaker_id":"spk_95607_carrie_kirby","speaker_confidence":0.95,"start_sec":3019.22,"end_sec":3021.02,"text":"Hi, this is Carrie Kirby. Can you hear me?","topics_json":"[]","vector_id":"vec_seg_95607_171","created_at":"2026-10-31T07:10:54Z","speaker_name":"Carrie Kirby"},{"id":"seg_95607_172","meeting_id":"95607","media_asset_id":"med_95607_hls_7569e475d5ae1a9d","agenda_item_id":null,"speaker_id":"off_fred_a_neil","speaker_confidence":0.9,"start_sec":3021.42,"end_sec":3023.92,"text":"Yes. Yes. Yes.","topics_json":"[]","vector_id":"vec_seg_95607_172","created_at":"2026-10-31T07:10:54Z","speaker_name":"Fred A. Neil"},{"id":"seg_95607_173","meeting_id":"95607","media_asset_id":"med_95607_hls_7569e475d5ae1a9d","agenda_item_id":null,"speaker_id":"spk_95607_carrie_kirby","speaker_confidence":0.95,"start_sec":3024.42,"end_sec":3102.92,"text":"Hi, I'm from Wilmington, Delaware. As I said, my name is Carrie Kirby. I'm speaking tonight in opposition of Ordinance 2025-21. I'm a community health worker out of Wilmington. I work for one of the three Medicaid MCOs. Every day I have people asking me where can they go to stay. I ask them, are they safe? Do they have food to eat? I get answers of no. Dover is one of the cities where there is a lack of housing, both permanent and temporary, for people who are currently unhoused. It's a problem when I have clients who have medical needs in Dover and I'm telling them they have options to stay in Wilmington, Delaware. City Council can spend more time and effort on proposals that could house these folks with medical issues, and I really appreciate if you would rethink any decision to support this ordinance. Please take into consideration that there is already a lack of affordable housing, a lack of residential housing, a lack of nursing homes for people who need them in your city and in this state as a whole, and we could really use more creative and thoughtful considerations for housing, especially for people with intense medical needs","topics_json":"[\"housing\",\"homelessness\"]","vector_id":"vec_seg_95607_173","created_at":"2026-10-31T07:10:54Z","speaker_name":"Carrie Kirby"},{"id":"seg_95607_174","meeting_id":"95607","media_asset_id":"med_95607_hls_7569e475d5ae1a9d","agenda_item_id":null,"speaker_id":"spk_95607_public_commenter","speaker_confidence":0.9,"start_sec":3102.92,"end_sec":3120.42,"text":"Whether it's behavioral health, addiction, whether it's physical health need. I encourage you again to vote no on Ordinance 2025-21, and thank you to Councilmembers Boggerty, Lewis, Hall, Arndt, and Dr. Roy Sudler. Thank you.","topics_json":"[\"public_safety\",\"homelessness\"]","vector_id":"vec_seg_95607_174","created_at":"2026-10-31T07:10:54Z","speaker_name":null},{"id":"seg_95607_175","meeting_id":"95607","media_asset_id":"med_95607_hls_7569e475d5ae1a9d","agenda_item_id":null,"speaker_id":"spk_95607_city_clerk","speaker_confidence":0.95,"start_sec":3124.92,"end_sec":3128.42,"text":"Ms. Cheyenne Miller?","topics_json":"[]","vector_id":"vec_seg_95607_175","created_at":"2026-10-31T07:10:54Z","speaker_name":null},{"id":"seg_95607_176","meeting_id":"95607","media_asset_id":"med_95607_hls_7569e475d5ae1a9d","agenda_item_id":null,"speaker_id":"off_fred_a_neil","speaker_confidence":0.9,"start_sec":3131.42,"end_sec":3133.42,"text":"Is she back? Is she on?","topics_json":"[]","vector_id":"vec_seg_95607_176","created_at":"2026-10-31T07:10:54Z","speaker_name":"Fred A. Neil"},{"id":"seg_95607_177","meeting_id":"95607","media_asset_id":"med_95607_hls_7569e475d5ae1a9d","agenda_item_id":null,"speaker_id":"spk_95607_city_clerk","speaker_confidence":0.95,"start_sec":3133.92,"end_sec":3135.42,"text":"She's not on.","topics_json":"[]","vector_id":"vec_seg_95607_177","created_at":"2026-10-31T07:10:54Z","speaker_name":null},{"id":"seg_95607_178","meeting_id":"95607","media_asset_id":"med_95607_hls_7569e475d5ae1a9d","agenda_item_id":null,"speaker_id":"off_fred_a_neil","speaker_confidence":0.9,"start_sec":3135.42,"end_sec":3136.42,"text":"Okay.","topics_json":"[]","vector_id":"vec_seg_95607_178","created_at":"2026-10-31T07:10:54Z","speaker_name":"Fred A. Neil"},{"id":"seg_95607_179","meeting_id":"95607","media_asset_id":"med_95607_hls_7569e475d5ae1a9d","agenda_item_id":null,"speaker_id":"spk_95607_city_clerk","speaker_confidence":0.95,"start_sec":3136.42,"end_sec":3138.72,"text":"Michelle Paul.","topics_json":"[]","vector_id":"vec_seg_95607_179","created_at":"2026-10-31T07:10:54Z","speaker_name":null},{"id":"seg_95607_18","meeting_id":"95607","media_asset_id":"med_95607_hls_7569e475d5ae1a9d","agenda_item_id":null,"speaker_id":"spk_95607_public_commenter","speaker_confidence":0.9,"start_sec":221.39,"end_sec":226.99,"text":"a matter of stand- being in the right place.","topics_json":"[]","vector_id":"vec_seg_95607_18","created_at":"2026-10-31T07:10:53Z","speaker_name":null},{"id":"seg_95607_180","meeting_id":"95607","media_asset_id":"med_95607_hls_7569e475d5ae1a9d","agenda_item_id":null,"speaker_id":"spk_95607_michelle_paul","speaker_confidence":0.95,"start_sec":3142.92,"end_sec":3209.92,"text":"Good evening, City Council. Um, this Ordinance 2025-21, uh, it has a lot—it will do a lot more harm for this city than actual good. If you look at what you want to accomplish as a community, or what we want as a community to accomplish, uh, two-thirds of our issues are individuals that are suffering from opioid addiction. The other third, um, of the individuals that you see in these medians are actual homeless people that are there, but I certainly believe with that having been said, safety is 100% an issue. Um, we do know that safety is 100% an issue. And so, for that reason, the individuals that are occupying the medians do not need to be in the median, but we have a Title 21 law that will be able to address those issues and—","topics_json":"[\"public_safety\",\"homelessness\"]","vector_id":"vec_seg_95607_180","created_at":"2026-10-31T07:10:54Z","speaker_name":"Michelle Paul"},{"id":"seg_95607_181","meeting_id":"95607","media_asset_id":"med_95607_hls_7569e475d5ae1a9d","agenda_item_id":null,"speaker_id":"spk_95607_public_commenter","speaker_confidence":0.9,"start_sec":3209.91,"end_sec":3316.91,"text":"medians. Even with speaking to, um, Chief Johnson on some of those ordinances under, uh, some of the laws and the codes that are listed under Title 21 can be utilized outside of the worded ordinance. What we do when we actually use ordinances, ordinances actually diminish the actual consequences for the actual individual. So you're giving them a fine that you know that they can't pay. Once you give them a fine that you know they can't pay, then the city has to utilize funding to even go after those individuals that we know can't pay. So it's unnecessary funding from the city that's going to be spent. Then you have a, the potential lawsuits that this ordinance will create, where you can actually use the laws that you have on the books to actually keep the city safe and start getting some of- Some of these people need to be forced into treatment. Those two-thirds that are opioid addicted, those individuals, this ordinance will take away that ability to get those individuals that need to be ushered into treatment and be ordered into treatment by a judge. They will never see a judge. We need to actually make this to where the people that need help can get the help that they need. So does forcing people into treatment make sense? Yes, it does. It's either, because they won't be on the medians, they won't be on the street, they won't be anywhere if you're burying them in a body bag. And Narcan is not effective for some of these individuals, and that's why you see the death toll the way it is in the city of Dover. We have a real problem, and this ordinance-","topics_json":"[\"public_safety\",\"budget\",\"homelessness\"]","vector_id":"vec_seg_95607_181","created_at":"2026-10-31T07:10:54Z","speaker_name":null},{"id":"seg_95607_182","meeting_id":"95607","media_asset_id":"med_95607_hls_7569e475d5ae1a9d","agenda_item_id":null,"speaker_id":"spk_95607_ms_paul","speaker_confidence":0.9,"start_sec":3316.91,"end_sec":3337.21,"text":"is not going to do any good, it's going to create more harm. If you are saying that you want to do something about this problem, then don't pass the ordinance and utilize the law. 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I thought you you were our our signed-up valedictorian this today, but we'll check to see if there's anybody else who would like to speak. We have a hand all the way in the back raised first, and we have three people back there, and one up here. So in that order, we can.","topics_json":"[]","vector_id":"vec_seg_95607_184","created_at":"2026-10-31T07:10:54Z","speaker_name":"Robin R. 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They should be put into a treatment facility, yes, but, um, where do they go after the treatment facility?","topics_json":"[\"homelessness\",\"public_safety\"]","vector_id":"vec_seg_95607_187","created_at":"2026-10-31T07:10:54Z","speaker_name":"Chris Holstein"},{"id":"seg_95607_188","meeting_id":"95607","media_asset_id":"med_95607_hls_7569e475d5ae1a9d","agenda_item_id":null,"speaker_id":"spk_95607_public_commenter","speaker_confidence":0.9,"start_sec":3423.91,"end_sec":3520.41,"text":"they're homeless. That's why I came up with the program that I came up with to also help them, but it's not just for people coming out of addiction, people coming out of being homeless. It's for people coming out of orphanages, jails, anybody that can end up using it. The steps that I came up with, that's all over my Facebook and everything like that. I mean, completely, my program is owned by me due to served on fed federal laws and also due to me having my personal paperwork in family court. So, really no one can run it to anyone but me, legally in all rights. Whenever I get a new Social Security number, I do plan on using the money to go towards my program, and I would really appreciate the city's help if, you know, finished putting it together. I have fought about policies and everything like that. It's something that I've taken very seriously, something that I'm passionate about, and everyone that's seen it, heard about it, and know know that that's going to work. Right? So, I would just appreciate it if once I get a new Social Security number if I can come talk to whoever in the city that I've got to talk to to get this up and running properly. I was trying to get my ex-father-in-law, Walter Nelson, Sr., to give me a hand with it, but instead he tried stealing it. I started coming up with this since like 2018. So, the Nelsons have absolutely nothing to do with it at all. Like, this is all 100% my work. I just wanted to clear that up.","topics_json":"[\"homelessness\"]","vector_id":"vec_seg_95607_188","created_at":"2026-10-31T07:10:54Z","speaker_name":null},{"id":"seg_95607_189","meeting_id":"95607","media_asset_id":"med_95607_hls_7569e475d5ae1a9d","agenda_item_id":null,"speaker_id":"off_robin_r_christiansen","speaker_confidence":0.95,"start_sec":3520.61,"end_sec":3527.41,"text":"Thank you very much. Thank you for coming. Now, the young lady all the way in the back who had her hand up.","topics_json":"[]","vector_id":"vec_seg_95607_189","created_at":"2026-10-31T07:10:54Z","speaker_name":"Robin R. 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Um, maybe six weeks or so ago, I had dropped my granddaughter off at at uh Dover High School for after-school activities. And as I was headed down back and I was pulled up in front of the Walgreens going to make a left-hand turn on to Forest, or not Forest, Walker. And as I'm sitting there at the light, all of a sudden, sirens yeah coming, City of Dover Police, State Police, paramedics, ambulance, and they're all merging over to come behind me. So immediately, I'm thinking, get over. And there happened to be a uh a person, a human being, because they are human beings, standing there with his sign. And and I rolled my window down and said, you have to move. I have to get over. 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First is Ms. Aliesha Martin? Come up to the podium.","topics_json":"[]","vector_id":"vec_seg_95607_2","created_at":"2026-10-31T07:10:53Z","speaker_name":null},{"id":"seg_95607_20","meeting_id":"95607","media_asset_id":"med_95607_hls_7569e475d5ae1a9d","agenda_item_id":null,"speaker_id":"spk_95607_public_commenter","speaker_confidence":0.9,"start_sec":230.19,"end_sec":235.29,"text":"It's a matter of standing where you're seen.","topics_json":"[]","vector_id":"vec_seg_95607_20","created_at":"2026-10-31T07:10:53Z","speaker_name":null},{"id":"seg_95607_200","meeting_id":"95607","media_asset_id":"med_95607_hls_7569e475d5ae1a9d","agenda_item_id":null,"speaker_id":"off_fred_a_neil","speaker_confidence":0.9,"start_sec":3748.3,"end_sec":3749,"text":"Yes, ma'am.","topics_json":"[]","vector_id":"vec_seg_95607_200","created_at":"2026-10-31T07:10:54Z","speaker_name":"Fred A. 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I've lived in this city for a lifetime. I've had 25 years with the police department, retired chief of police, 10 years as the mayor of the City of Dover. There's two issues here tonight. First, the homeless. And it is a very serious problem in the State of Delaware, period. This city, the county, and the state needs to enter into a partnership to address the issue. This issue is a lot bigger than the City of Dover. And when I look at what's taking place in this city, it is a shame. Now let's talk about the ordinance that you're considering tonight. And I would hope that each and every one of you, when you vote, you vote to support it. Public safety in this issue is every one of your responsibility. I ride up and down the City of Dover every day. I see people, unfortunately, that are out there standing in the median. I see people who are having withdrawals. I've watched tractor and trailers riding up and down the road.","topics_json":"[\"homelessness\",\"public_safety\"]","vector_id":"vec_seg_95607_205","created_at":"2026-10-31T07:10:54Z","speaker_name":"James Hutchison"},{"id":"seg_95607_206","meeting_id":"95607","media_asset_id":"med_95607_hls_7569e475d5ae1a9d","agenda_item_id":null,"speaker_id":"spk_95607_pete","speaker_confidence":0.85,"start_sec":3851.9,"end_sec":3899.6,"text":"fire department responding to alarms, paramedics responding to alarms, the police department. Public safety is your responsibility. I don't know how anyone could vote no against this ordinance. It is your responsibility. Now, the homeless, that's also your responsibility. But it's far bigger than us alone. You got to reach out and look forward to a partnership. The state of Delaware used to address the issues and concerns in this city. And I am extremely disappointed in the state, in the attorney general's office. Mr. President, your letter was excellent,","topics_json":"[\"public_safety\",\"homelessness\"]","vector_id":"vec_seg_95607_206","created_at":"2026-10-31T07:10:54Z","speaker_name":"Pete"},{"id":"seg_95607_207","meeting_id":"95607","media_asset_id":"med_95607_hls_7569e475d5ae1a9d","agenda_item_id":null,"speaker_id":"off_robin_r_christiansen","speaker_confidence":0.9,"start_sec":3899.6,"end_sec":3900.9,"text":"Thank you, sir.","topics_json":"[]","vector_id":"vec_seg_95607_207","created_at":"2026-10-31T07:10:54Z","speaker_name":"Robin R. Christiansen"},{"id":"seg_95607_208","meeting_id":"95607","media_asset_id":"med_95607_hls_7569e475d5ae1a9d","agenda_item_id":null,"speaker_id":"spk_95607_pete","speaker_confidence":0.85,"start_sec":3900.9,"end_sec":3985.4,"text":"and you outlined the concerns and I deeply appreciate that. But I'm asking all of you tonight to do the right thing and vote to support this. And then, a second part to all those that are homeless. My heart goes out to all of them. And we can help and do something about it. But it's got to be in a partnership. And it's got to be with the state of Delaware. So I urge all of you tonight when you vote to support this. Because I have seen too many times it's only a matter of when and somebody's going to get killed. We don't need to wait for that to happen. Thank you very much.","topics_json":"[\"public_safety\",\"homelessness\"]","vector_id":"vec_seg_95607_208","created_at":"2026-10-31T07:10:54Z","speaker_name":"Pete"},{"id":"seg_95607_209","meeting_id":"95607","media_asset_id":"med_95607_hls_7569e475d5ae1a9d","agenda_item_id":null,"speaker_id":"off_robin_r_christiansen","speaker_confidence":0.9,"start_sec":3985.4,"end_sec":3987.4,"text":"Thank you, Pete.","topics_json":"[]","vector_id":"vec_seg_95607_209","created_at":"2026-10-31T07:10:54Z","speaker_name":"Robin R. 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Uh, IT Director Mr. Simmons, will you please brief the members on this item?","topics_json":"[]","vector_id":"vec_seg_95607_288","created_at":"2026-10-31T07:10:54Z","speaker_name":"Fred A. 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They're recommended for referral to the Utility Committee on January the 27th, 2026, Planning Commission on February 17th, 202-","topics_json":"[\"zoning\"]","vector_id":"vec_seg_95607_291","created_at":"2026-10-31T07:10:54Z","speaker_name":"Fred A. Neil"},{"id":"seg_95607_292","meeting_id":"95607","media_asset_id":"med_95607_hls_7569e475d5ae1a9d","agenda_item_id":null,"speaker_id":"spk_95607_fred_a_neil","speaker_confidence":0.9,"start_sec":4600.88,"end_sec":4707.88,"text":"-25, and that a public hearing will be set for March the 9th, 2025 at 6:30 p.m. Copies of all proposed ordinances are available at the entrance of the Council Chambers or can be obtained from the City Clerk's office. Ordinance number 2025-23 is for property located at 7 Nixon Lane, consisting of 41,526 uh square feet, uh plus or minus acres, owned by Lupe N. Fuller. 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These properties are currently zoned IL, limited industrial zone, and RMH, which is residential manufactured home zone, Kent County classification, and proposed zoning for all parcels of IPM, industrial park manufacturing zone, and subject to the AEOZ, Airport Environs Overlay Zone, and the APZ II, accidental potential zone 2, City of Dover","topics_json":"[\"zoning\"]","vector_id":"vec_seg_95607_292","created_at":"2026-10-31T07:10:54Z","speaker_name":null},{"id":"seg_95607_293","meeting_id":"95607","media_asset_id":"med_95607_hls_7569e475d5ae1a9d","agenda_item_id":null,"speaker_id":"off_fred_a_neil","speaker_confidence":0.95,"start_sec":4707.87,"end_sec":4713.77,"text":"zoning classifications. I will entertain a motion for the referral as recommended.","topics_json":"[\"zoning\"]","vector_id":"vec_seg_95607_293","created_at":"2026-10-31T07:10:54Z","speaker_name":"Fred A. 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Rocha, Sr."},{"id":"seg_95607_296","meeting_id":"95607","media_asset_id":"med_95607_hls_7569e475d5ae1a9d","agenda_item_id":null,"speaker_id":"off_fred_a_neil","speaker_confidence":0.95,"start_sec":4720.67,"end_sec":4724.07,"text":"It's been moved and it's been seconded. Anyone have any questions?","topics_json":"[\"zoning\"]","vector_id":"vec_seg_95607_296","created_at":"2026-10-31T07:10:54Z","speaker_name":"Fred A. Neil"},{"id":"seg_95607_297","meeting_id":"95607","media_asset_id":"med_95607_hls_7569e475d5ae1a9d","agenda_item_id":null,"speaker_id":"off_fred_a_neil","speaker_confidence":0.95,"start_sec":4725.87,"end_sec":4737.67,"text":"All right. We'll have, um... now refer to Madam Clerk Bennett... Oh, uh, we need a voice vote. No questions on it? All in favor please say aye.","topics_json":"[\"zoning\"]","vector_id":"vec_seg_95607_297","created_at":"2026-10-31T07:10:54Z","speaker_name":"Fred A. 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This constitutes the first reading. The final readings are scheduled to take place on March 9th, 2026.","topics_json":"[\"zoning\"]","vector_id":"vec_seg_95607_300","created_at":"2026-10-31T07:10:54Z","speaker_name":"Bennett"},{"id":"seg_95607_301","meeting_id":"95607","media_asset_id":"med_95607_hls_7569e475d5ae1a9d","agenda_item_id":null,"speaker_id":"off_fred_a_neil","speaker_confidence":0.95,"start_sec":4823.57,"end_sec":4854.87,"text":"We now have the first reading of proposed ordinance 2025-17, amending chapter 98, streets, sidewalks, storm sewers, and other public places, article 1, in general, and appendix F. Final action by council will take place during this second reading of the ordinance on January 12th, 2026. The ordinance is available at the entrance of the chambers or on the city's website at www...","topics_json":"[\"zoning\"]","vector_id":"vec_seg_95607_301","created_at":"2026-10-31T07:10:54Z","speaker_name":"Fred A. 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What we did is we kind of consolidated things so everything's in one spot, so it's easy to find. We also went ahead and created a more detailed list for non-stormwater discharges. We also added a section in chapter 98 to address sump pumps, and we shortened the time for which a penalty can be imposed from 10 days to just 24 hours. In a synopsis, that's basically what we did.","topics_json":"[]","vector_id":"vec_seg_95607_303","created_at":"2026-10-31T07:10:54Z","speaker_name":"Mark Nowak"},{"id":"seg_95607_304","meeting_id":"95607","media_asset_id":"med_95607_hls_7569e475d5ae1a9d","agenda_item_id":null,"speaker_id":"off_robin_r_christiansen","speaker_confidence":0.95,"start_sec":4936.57,"end_sec":4940.57,"text":"Any questions or talk Council? Lewis.","topics_json":"[]","vector_id":"vec_seg_95607_304","created_at":"2026-10-31T07:10:54Z","speaker_name":"Robin R. 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It wasn't my decision.","topics_json":"[]","vector_id":"vec_seg_95607_307","created_at":"2026-10-31T07:10:54Z","speaker_name":null},{"id":"seg_95607_308","meeting_id":"95607","media_asset_id":"med_95607_hls_7569e475d5ae1a9d","agenda_item_id":null,"speaker_id":"off_brian_e_lewis","speaker_confidence":0.95,"start_sec":4927.63,"end_sec":4929.24,"text":"So it was mandated by the state?","topics_json":"[]","vector_id":"vec_seg_95607_308","created_at":"2026-10-31T07:10:54Z","speaker_name":"Brian E. 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No further questions, thank you.","topics_json":"[]","vector_id":"vec_seg_95607_310","created_at":"2026-10-31T07:10:54Z","speaker_name":"Brian E. Lewis"},{"id":"seg_95607_311","meeting_id":"95607","media_asset_id":"med_95607_hls_7569e475d5ae1a9d","agenda_item_id":null,"speaker_id":"off_fred_a_neil","speaker_confidence":0.95,"start_sec":4934.2,"end_sec":4937.52,"text":"Councilman Lewis. And Sud- Sudler.","topics_json":"[]","vector_id":"vec_seg_95607_311","created_at":"2026-10-31T07:10:54Z","speaker_name":"Fred A. Neil"},{"id":"seg_95607_312","meeting_id":"95607","media_asset_id":"med_95607_hls_7569e475d5ae1a9d","agenda_item_id":null,"speaker_id":"off_roy_sudler_jr","speaker_confidence":0.95,"start_sec":4937.52,"end_sec":4954.75,"text":"Uh thank you, uh Council President Neil, for recognizing me. Uh just one question in regards to the 10 days, um, and now 24 hours. That seems sort of, uh, a little strong. 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So if we waited the 10 days, and they fined us $10,000 a day, they could that break could eventually bankrupt us.","topics_json":"[]","vector_id":"vec_seg_95607_322","created_at":"2026-10-31T07:10:54Z","speaker_name":"Eddie Kopp"},{"id":"seg_95607_323","meeting_id":"95607","media_asset_id":"med_95607_hls_7569e475d5ae1a9d","agenda_item_id":null,"speaker_id":"spk_95607_eddie_kopp","speaker_confidence":0.95,"start_sec":5062.48,"end_sec":5080.84,"text":"Um, and just to speak on why this is it might seem harsh, but we did have an incident um with a contractor who was putting arsenic into stormwater, and they were hiding it. So they knew what was happening. They've covered it up. It was pretty interesting, but they knew what they were doing. 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Thank you, Eddie.","topics_json":"[]","vector_id":"vec_seg_95607_325","created_at":"2026-10-31T07:10:54Z","speaker_name":"Brian E. Lewis"},{"id":"seg_95607_326","meeting_id":"95607","media_asset_id":"med_95607_hls_7569e475d5ae1a9d","agenda_item_id":null,"speaker_id":"spk_95607_eddie_kopp","speaker_confidence":0.9,"start_sec":5097.18,"end_sec":5098.7,"text":"Thank you, Councilman.","topics_json":"[]","vector_id":"vec_seg_95607_326","created_at":"2026-10-31T07:10:54Z","speaker_name":"Eddie Kopp"},{"id":"seg_95607_327","meeting_id":"95607","media_asset_id":"med_95607_hls_7569e475d5ae1a9d","agenda_item_id":null,"speaker_id":"off_fred_a_neil","speaker_confidence":0.95,"start_sec":5098.94,"end_sec":5101.96,"text":"Any additional questions?","topics_json":"[]","vector_id":"vec_seg_95607_327","created_at":"2026-10-31T07:10:54Z","speaker_name":"Fred A. 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You'll defer to me.","topics_json":"[]","vector_id":"vec_seg_95607_330","created_at":"2026-10-31T07:10:54Z","speaker_name":null},{"id":"seg_95607_331","meeting_id":"95607","media_asset_id":"med_95607_hls_7569e475d5ae1a9d","agenda_item_id":null,"speaker_id":"off_fred_a_neil","speaker_confidence":0.95,"start_sec":5108.82,"end_sec":5116.94,"text":"Uh, refer to Madam Clerk then for the introduction of the ordinances with Section 1-9 into the Dover Code. Madam Clerk.","topics_json":"[]","vector_id":"vec_seg_95607_331","created_at":"2026-10-31T07:10:54Z","speaker_name":"Fred A. Neil"},{"id":"seg_95607_332","meeting_id":"95607","media_asset_id":"med_95607_hls_7569e475d5ae1a9d","agenda_item_id":null,"speaker_id":"spk_95607_city_clerk","speaker_confidence":0.95,"start_sec":5118.78,"end_sec":5135.86,"text":"Ordinance 2025-17, amending Chapter 98, Streets, Sidewalks, Storms, Sewers, and Other Public Places, Article 1, in General, appending South. This constitutes the first reading. The final reading is scheduled to take place on January 12th, 2026.","topics_json":"[\"zoning\",\"public_safety\"]","vector_id":"vec_seg_95607_332","created_at":"2026-10-31T07:10:54Z","speaker_name":null},{"id":"seg_95607_333","meeting_id":"95607","media_asset_id":"med_95607_hls_7569e475d5ae1a9d","agenda_item_id":null,"speaker_id":"spk_95607_unknown_speaker","speaker_confidence":0.5,"start_sec":5135.86,"end_sec":5137.36,"text":"Yes.","topics_json":"[]","vector_id":"vec_seg_95607_333","created_at":"2026-10-31T07:10:54Z","speaker_name":null},{"id":"seg_95607_334","meeting_id":"95607","media_asset_id":"med_95607_hls_7569e475d5ae1a9d","agenda_item_id":null,"speaker_id":"spk_95607_fred_a_neil","speaker_confidence":0.95,"start_sec":5138.36,"end_sec":5214.36,"text":"We next have the first reading of proposed Ordinance 2023-21, amending Chapter 106 - Traffic and Vehicles, Article III - Stopping, Standing, and Parking, by adding Section 106-139 - Pedestrian Safety. Final action by the City Council will be taken during the second reading on January 12, 2024. The ordinance is available at the entrance of the City Council or on the city's website at www.cityofdover.com under Government, or by contacting the city clerk's office at [contact removed] or [contact removed] Now, all written correspondence that has been made on this uh on this ordinance will be uh included as uh as public uh with the meeting minutes uh as a matter of record. So if you have sent something or said something, it will be in that document, in the minute document. Um, Mr. Anderson, will you brief us on this item?","topics_json":"[\"public_safety\"]","vector_id":"vec_seg_95607_334","created_at":"2026-10-31T07:10:54Z","speaker_name":null},{"id":"seg_95607_335","meeting_id":"95607","media_asset_id":"med_95607_hls_7569e475d5ae1a9d","agenda_item_id":null,"speaker_id":"off_david_l_anderson","speaker_confidence":0.95,"start_sec":5214.66,"end_sec":5242.86,"text":"Thank you, Mr. President. Uh this ordinance is uh an ordinance designed to uh increase uh pedestrian safety by getting people into safer locations uh because it's become a phenomenon where uh as we can all see, we don't need to uh do surveys, you see in your daily life uh that um","topics_json":"[\"public_safety\"]","vector_id":"vec_seg_95607_335","created_at":"2026-10-31T07:10:54Z","speaker_name":"David L. Anderson"},{"id":"seg_95607_336","meeting_id":"95607","media_asset_id":"med_95607_hls_7569e475d5ae1a9d","agenda_item_id":null,"speaker_id":"off_david_l_anderson","speaker_confidence":0.95,"start_sec":5242.86,"end_sec":5349.86,"text":"medians and intersections, and even uh uh people getting into the roads, is become a a major problem. And it is causing issues with people driving. We've gotten a number of complaints where people have even been in accidents trying to avoid people, or or and we, of course, know that people get injured. And uh it's uh it's time to do something about that. And this is uh uh an ordinance that I would say is uh uh definitely well drafted. It is uh I want to thank our city solicitor for that part as well as the uh the staff and members of Council. Uh it is uh drafted well enough where it is uh uh becoming a model. So I I believe that this uh that there have been concerns that were raised that have been addressed, uh such as uh for people concerned about uh people in need getting a fine. Under this ordinance, no one has to ever get a fine because it mandates that the uh first offense is a written warning with zero fine. So anyone who has uh any intentions or needs help, uh that opportunity would be made available to them, uh that if the only reason somebody would get fined is if they kept uh intentionally and persistently violating the law. And people who do that should be held accountable for insistent persistent violations of the law that","topics_json":"[\"public_safety\",\"homelessness\"]","vector_id":"vec_seg_95607_336","created_at":"2026-10-31T07:10:54Z","speaker_name":"David L. 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Anderson"},{"id":"seg_95607_34","meeting_id":"95607","media_asset_id":"med_95607_hls_7569e475d5ae1a9d","agenda_item_id":null,"speaker_id":"spk_95607_ryan_halpern","speaker_confidence":0.95,"start_sec":308.89,"end_sec":319.09,"text":"Not a huge fan of coming up here speaking, but I take- I think it takes this ordinance, 2025-21, for me to get up here.","topics_json":"[]","vector_id":"vec_seg_95607_34","created_at":"2026-10-31T07:10:53Z","speaker_name":"Ryan Halpern"},{"id":"seg_95607_340","meeting_id":"95607","media_asset_id":"med_95607_hls_7569e475d5ae1a9d","agenda_item_id":null,"speaker_id":"off_david_l_anderson","speaker_confidence":0.95,"start_sec":5407.37,"end_sec":5411.92,"text":"the uh then how are citizens supposed to abide by it?","topics_json":"[\"public_safety\"]","vector_id":"vec_seg_95607_340","created_at":"2026-10-31T07:10:54Z","speaker_name":"David L. Anderson"},{"id":"seg_95607_341","meeting_id":"95607","media_asset_id":"med_95607_hls_7569e475d5ae1a9d","agenda_item_id":null,"speaker_id":"off_david_l_anderson","speaker_confidence":0.95,"start_sec":5413.26,"end_sec":5426.4,"text":"We have a responsibility to make sure that we have laws that are clear, that are enforceable, and that everyone can understand. And that's what this ordinance does.","topics_json":"[\"public_safety\"]","vector_id":"vec_seg_95607_341","created_at":"2026-10-31T07:10:54Z","speaker_name":"David L. Anderson"},{"id":"seg_95607_342","meeting_id":"95607","media_asset_id":"med_95607_hls_7569e475d5ae1a9d","agenda_item_id":null,"speaker_id":"off_david_l_anderson","speaker_confidence":0.95,"start_sec":5426.87,"end_sec":5453.44,"text":"I want to thank uh the staff for their work on this, thank members of the committee, and thank members of council. And I want to thank the members of the public for uh their input, which has been uh quite heartening and uh and endorsement by uh some very prominent organizations that have come down recently, including the Kent-Sussex Leadership Alliance. Thank you, Mr. Chairman, I yield.","topics_json":"[\"public_safety\"]","vector_id":"vec_seg_95607_342","created_at":"2026-10-31T07:10:54Z","speaker_name":"David L. Anderson"},{"id":"seg_95607_343","meeting_id":"95607","media_asset_id":"med_95607_hls_7569e475d5ae1a9d","agenda_item_id":null,"speaker_id":"off_fred_a_neil","speaker_confidence":0.95,"start_sec":5454,"end_sec":5456.86,"text":"Yes, I'd uh like to get uh uh interested in","topics_json":"[]","vector_id":"vec_seg_95607_343","created_at":"2026-10-31T07:10:54Z","speaker_name":"Fred A. Neil"},{"id":"seg_95607_344","meeting_id":"95607","media_asset_id":"med_95607_hls_7569e475d5ae1a9d","agenda_item_id":null,"speaker_id":"off_fred_a_neil","speaker_confidence":0.95,"start_sec":5456.85,"end_sec":5470.75,"text":"and a number of people who challenged this in terms of the legal aspect of it, but I'd like to have our city solicitor talk about the legal aspect of this particular ordinance, if you would, uh Mr. Solicitor.","topics_json":"[\"public_safety\"]","vector_id":"vec_seg_95607_344","created_at":"2026-10-31T07:10:54Z","speaker_name":"Fred A. Neil"},{"id":"seg_95607_345","meeting_id":"95607","media_asset_id":"med_95607_hls_7569e475d5ae1a9d","agenda_item_id":null,"speaker_id":"spk_95607_city_solicitor","speaker_confidence":0.9,"start_sec":5470.75,"end_sec":5591.25,"text":"Thank you. As some of the commenters have mentioned, and and Mr. Anderson has mentioned, there have been legal challenges to ordinances, pedestrian safety ordinances on on First Amendment grounds. So I thought it would be helpful to articulate what the the legal standard is when when council members are expressing their votes. Under under court guidance, the city, in enacting an ordinance like this, must show that the ordinance is narrowly tailored to achieving significant government interests. So here the interest would be pedestrian safety. So the city must show that the ordinance is narrowly tailored to achieving the significant government interest of pedestrian safety, and that the ordinance leaves open ample alternative channels of communication on First Amendment grounds. So if you are in favor of the ordinance, you will be finding that the ordinance is narrowly tailored to achieve to achieve the goal of pedestrian safety, and that the ordinance leaves open ample alternative channels of communication. If you are voting against the ordinance, you will be finding that the ordinance is not narrowly tailored to achieve the goal of pedestrian safety, and that or that there are not alternative grounds for First Amendment expression by pedestrians.","topics_json":"[\"public_safety\"]","vector_id":"vec_seg_95607_345","created_at":"2026-10-31T07:10:54Z","speaker_name":null},{"id":"seg_95607_346","meeting_id":"95607","media_asset_id":"med_95607_hls_7569e475d5ae1a9d","agenda_item_id":null,"speaker_id":"off_fred_a_neil","speaker_confidence":0.95,"start_sec":5591.85,"end_sec":5594.05,"text":"Dr. Sudler.","topics_json":"[]","vector_id":"vec_seg_95607_346","created_at":"2026-10-31T07:10:54Z","speaker_name":"Fred A. Neil"},{"id":"seg_95607_347","meeting_id":"95607","media_asset_id":"med_95607_hls_7569e475d5ae1a9d","agenda_item_id":null,"speaker_id":"off_roy_sudler_jr","speaker_confidence":0.95,"start_sec":5594.75,"end_sec":5603.85,"text":"Thank you, Council President, for recognizing me. Um, I can do sort of um tailor this question towards the uh solicitor.","topics_json":"[]","vector_id":"vec_seg_95607_347","created_at":"2026-10-31T07:10:54Z","speaker_name":"Roy Sudler, Jr."},{"id":"seg_95607_348","meeting_id":"95607","media_asset_id":"med_95607_hls_7569e475d5ae1a9d","agenda_item_id":null,"speaker_id":"off_andre_m_boggerty","speaker_confidence":0.95,"start_sec":5563.85,"end_sec":5584.05,"text":"And my question is, and we've heard a lot tonight in regards to um the point of we already have state statutes that address or that can address this concern. Would you um agree or disagree with that?","topics_json":"[\"public_safety\",\"homelessness\"]","vector_id":"vec_seg_95607_348","created_at":"2026-10-31T07:10:54Z","speaker_name":"Andre M. Boggerty"},{"id":"seg_95607_349","meeting_id":"95607","media_asset_id":"med_95607_hls_7569e475d5ae1a9d","agenda_item_id":null,"speaker_id":"spk_95607_city_attorney","speaker_confidence":0.9,"start_sec":5585.05,"end_sec":5617.35,"text":"Like like any other lawyer, um I want to take a middle ground. There is a statute, um there is a state statute that um addresses solicitation. Um the ACLU has sued the state of Delaware um to challenge the constitutionality of that statute, and there was an agreement that that lawsuit was settled uh by the agreement of the Attorney General's Office not to enforce that uh statute. So, uh yes and no. Yes, there is a state statute, but the Attorney General has um settled a lawsuit by agreeing not to enforce it.","topics_json":"[\"public_safety\",\"homelessness\"]","vector_id":"vec_seg_95607_349","created_at":"2026-10-31T07:10:54Z","speaker_name":null},{"id":"seg_95607_35","meeting_id":"95607","media_asset_id":"med_95607_hls_7569e475d5ae1a9d","agenda_item_id":null,"speaker_id":"spk_95607_ryan_halpern","speaker_confidence":0.95,"start_sec":319.69,"end_sec":320.99,"text":"Before I begin,","topics_json":"[]","vector_id":"vec_seg_95607_35","created_at":"2026-10-31T07:10:53Z","speaker_name":"Ryan Halpern"},{"id":"seg_95607_350","meeting_id":"95607","media_asset_id":"med_95607_hls_7569e475d5ae1a9d","agenda_item_id":null,"speaker_id":"off_andre_m_boggerty","speaker_confidence":0.95,"start_sec":5618.15,"end_sec":5662.25,"text":"Okay, fair. So now let me narrow the scope of my question. Um is there already a statue that addresses individuals on the median? Individuals on the median um obstructing the view of traffic or potentially creating a distraction. Is there something already on the on the state statute that addresses that specifically? Not not the solicit- not soliciting or panhandling, but the action of being on the median and obstructing the view of traffic or potential distraction um issues? Do you know of any, and if and if not, that's okay, I'm just asking.","topics_json":"[\"public_safety\",\"homelessness\"]","vector_id":"vec_seg_95607_350","created_at":"2026-10-31T07:10:54Z","speaker_name":"Andre M. Boggerty"},{"id":"seg_95607_351","meeting_id":"95607","media_asset_id":"med_95607_hls_7569e475d5ae1a9d","agenda_item_id":null,"speaker_id":"spk_95607_city_attorney","speaker_confidence":0.9,"start_sec":5662.25,"end_sec":5663.65,"text":"Not not that I'm aware of.","topics_json":"[\"public_safety\"]","vector_id":"vec_seg_95607_351","created_at":"2026-10-31T07:10:54Z","speaker_name":null},{"id":"seg_95607_352","meeting_id":"95607","media_asset_id":"med_95607_hls_7569e475d5ae1a9d","agenda_item_id":null,"speaker_id":"off_andre_m_boggerty","speaker_confidence":0.95,"start_sec":5663.65,"end_sec":5665.25,"text":"Thank you. I yield.","topics_json":"[]","vector_id":"vec_seg_95607_352","created_at":"2026-10-31T07:10:54Z","speaker_name":"Andre M. Boggerty"},{"id":"seg_95607_353","meeting_id":"95607","media_asset_id":"med_95607_hls_7569e475d5ae1a9d","agenda_item_id":null,"speaker_id":"off_fred_a_neil","speaker_confidence":0.95,"start_sec":5665.25,"end_sec":5667.15,"text":"Councilwoman Hall.","topics_json":"[]","vector_id":"vec_seg_95607_353","created_at":"2026-10-31T07:10:54Z","speaker_name":"Fred A. Neil"},{"id":"seg_95607_354","meeting_id":"95607","media_asset_id":"med_95607_hls_7569e475d5ae1a9d","agenda_item_id":null,"speaker_id":"off_donyale_m_hall","speaker_confidence":0.95,"start_sec":5667.75,"end_sec":5670.85,"text":"Thank you for recognizing me, Council President. Um,","topics_json":"[]","vector_id":"vec_seg_95607_354","created_at":"2026-10-31T07:10:54Z","speaker_name":"Donyale M. 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Um, sitting up here as public servants you guys take a beating, uh, since I've been attending these uh meetings lately, but uh, I appreciate uh, you serving the city.","topics_json":"[]","vector_id":"vec_seg_95607_36","created_at":"2026-10-31T07:10:53Z","speaker_name":null},{"id":"seg_95607_360","meeting_id":"95607","media_asset_id":"med_95607_hls_7569e475d5ae1a9d","agenda_item_id":null,"speaker_id":"off_roy_sudler_jr","speaker_confidence":0.95,"start_sec":5733.85,"end_sec":5778.85,"text":"Uh, unfortunately, uh, the privilege belongs to all of council,","topics_json":"[]","vector_id":"vec_seg_95607_360","created_at":"2026-10-31T07:10:54Z","speaker_name":"Roy Sudler, Jr."},{"id":"seg_95607_361","meeting_id":"95607","media_asset_id":"med_95607_hls_7569e475d5ae1a9d","agenda_item_id":null,"speaker_id":"off_donyale_m_hall","speaker_confidence":0.9,"start_sec":5778.85,"end_sec":5779.85,"text":"The city.","topics_json":"[]","vector_id":"vec_seg_95607_361","created_at":"2026-10-31T07:10:54Z","speaker_name":"Donyale M. 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My client is the city and my client is not one particular person in the city.","topics_json":"[]","vector_id":"vec_seg_95607_363","created_at":"2026-10-31T07:10:54Z","speaker_name":null},{"id":"seg_95607_364","meeting_id":"95607","media_asset_id":"med_95607_hls_7569e475d5ae1a9d","agenda_item_id":null,"speaker_id":"off_roy_sudler_jr","speaker_confidence":0.95,"start_sec":5788.85,"end_sec":5798.35,"text":"If we, uh, we could, uh, I mean we, we could executive session...","topics_json":"[]","vector_id":"vec_seg_95607_364","created_at":"2026-10-31T07:10:54Z","speaker_name":"Roy Sudler, Jr."},{"id":"seg_95607_365","meeting_id":"95607","media_asset_id":"med_95607_hls_7569e475d5ae1a9d","agenda_item_id":null,"speaker_id":"off_roy_sudler_jr","speaker_confidence":0.95,"start_sec":5800.35,"end_sec":5804.85,"text":"...and discuss, uh, and discuss the, uh, privileged communication.","topics_json":"[]","vector_id":"vec_seg_95607_365","created_at":"2026-10-31T07:10:54Z","speaker_name":"Roy Sudler, Jr."},{"id":"seg_95607_366","meeting_id":"95607","media_asset_id":"med_95607_hls_7569e475d5ae1a9d","agenda_item_id":null,"speaker_id":"spk_95607_city_solicitor","speaker_confidence":0.95,"start_sec":5804.85,"end_sec":5814.85,"text":"Or, or a motion could be made, um, and Council could vote on whether or not to, uh, waive the privilege and so allow me to speak about what, Ms. Hall has spoken of.","topics_json":"[]","vector_id":"vec_seg_95607_366","created_at":"2026-10-31T07:10:54Z","speaker_name":null},{"id":"seg_95607_367","meeting_id":"95607","media_asset_id":"med_95607_hls_7569e475d5ae1a9d","agenda_item_id":null,"speaker_id":"off_donyale_m_hall","speaker_confidence":0.95,"start_sec":5815.05,"end_sec":5817.65,"text":"I move that we, uh, waive, uh...","topics_json":"[]","vector_id":"vec_seg_95607_367","created_at":"2026-10-31T07:10:54Z","speaker_name":"Donyale M. 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What we're seeing in our medians is not safe, not humane, and not sustainable.","topics_json":"[\"homelessness\",\"public_safety\"]","vector_id":"vec_seg_95607_37","created_at":"2026-10-31T07:10:53Z","speaker_name":null},{"id":"seg_95607_370","meeting_id":"95607","media_asset_id":"med_95607_hls_7569e475d5ae1a9d","agenda_item_id":null,"speaker_id":"off_roy_sudler_jr","speaker_confidence":0.85,"start_sec":5784.66,"end_sec":5789.04,"text":"Do we need a roll call or Roll call. 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Clean up government!","topics_json":"[]","vector_id":"vec_seg_95607_375","created_at":"2026-10-31T07:10:54Z","speaker_name":null},{"id":"seg_95607_376","meeting_id":"95607","media_asset_id":"med_95607_hls_7569e475d5ae1a9d","agenda_item_id":null,"speaker_id":"off_david_l_anderson","speaker_confidence":0.95,"start_sec":5821.9,"end_sec":5883.58,"text":"Point of order, because uh waiving uh privileged communications just uh has the potential basically to allow The reason why it's privileged is because there's liability potential if that information is uh misplaced. So, uh we want to think and very carefully think whether or not we want to waive something that we haven't heard. If we know what is being said, then we If we know what is being said ahead of time, then we can waive that communication. Like if something were","topics_json":"[]","vector_id":"vec_seg_95607_376","created_at":"2026-10-31T07:10:54Z","speaker_name":"David L. 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A simple, direct message is most effective for quick comprehension by drivers and it could identify therefore Title 21 as a part of that language. Is that correct?","topics_json":"[\"public_safety\"]","vector_id":"vec_seg_95607_392","created_at":"2026-10-31T07:10:54Z","speaker_name":"Donyale M. Hall"},{"id":"seg_95607_393","meeting_id":"95607","media_asset_id":"med_95607_hls_7569e475d5ae1a9d","agenda_item_id":null,"speaker_id":"spk_95607_legal_counsel","speaker_confidence":0.9,"start_sec":6115.24,"end_sec":6124.64,"text":"A sign could identify Title 21 and and could be specific. But it's really up to the city whether it wants to put a sign there.","topics_json":"[\"public_safety\"]","vector_id":"vec_seg_95607_393","created_at":"2026-10-31T07:10:54Z","speaker_name":null},{"id":"seg_95607_394","meeting_id":"95607","media_asset_id":"med_95607_hls_7569e475d5ae1a9d","agenda_item_id":null,"speaker_id":"off_donyale_m_hall","speaker_confidence":0.95,"start_sec":6128.34,"end_sec":6131.54,"text":"Thank you. That that concludes my my question.","topics_json":"[]","vector_id":"vec_seg_95607_394","created_at":"2026-10-31T07:10:54Z","speaker_name":"Donyale M. Hall"},{"id":"seg_95607_395","meeting_id":"95607","media_asset_id":"med_95607_hls_7569e475d5ae1a9d","agenda_item_id":null,"speaker_id":"off_fred_a_neil","speaker_confidence":0.95,"start_sec":6132.04,"end_sec":6135.94,"text":"Any additional questions from members?","topics_json":"[]","vector_id":"vec_seg_95607_395","created_at":"2026-10-31T07:10:54Z","speaker_name":"Fred A. Neil"},{"id":"seg_95607_396","meeting_id":"95607","media_asset_id":"med_95607_hls_7569e475d5ae1a9d","agenda_item_id":null,"speaker_id":"off_fred_a_neil","speaker_confidence":0.95,"start_sec":6136.34,"end_sec":6138.84,"text":"Yes, uh Councilwoman Arndt.","topics_json":"[]","vector_id":"vec_seg_95607_396","created_at":"2026-10-31T07:10:54Z","speaker_name":"Fred A. Neil"},{"id":"seg_95607_397","meeting_id":"95607","media_asset_id":"med_95607_hls_7569e475d5ae1a9d","agenda_item_id":null,"speaker_id":"off_tricia_k_arndt","speaker_confidence":0.95,"start_sec":6098.84,"end_sec":6114.84,"text":"Since we're asking the solicitor questions, I have one. Could you define which which statute is the Attorney General's office not enforcing? Is it loitering under Title 11 or is it under Title 21?","topics_json":"[\"public_safety\"]","vector_id":"vec_seg_95607_397","created_at":"2026-10-31T07:10:54Z","speaker_name":"Tricia K. 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Um, you know, that was to me the driving force for me to support this ordinance is because of witnessing the wheelchair on the median on uh the corner of Forest and Saulsbury Road. I uh You know, I know we","topics_json":"[\"public_safety\"]","vector_id":"vec_seg_95607_405","created_at":"2026-10-31T07:10:54Z","speaker_name":"Gerald L. Rocha, Sr."},{"id":"seg_95607_406","meeting_id":"95607","media_asset_id":"med_95607_hls_7569e475d5ae1a9d","agenda_item_id":null,"speaker_id":"off_andre_m_boggerty","speaker_confidence":0.95,"start_sec":6205.83,"end_sec":6236.03,"text":"we had one individual that was killed in a wheelchair on 13. And that that, you know, when I saw this individual trying to balance on the pitch of the median, it's not safe. And none of the Nothing that I heard tonight has changed my mind about that. That person is not going That person We're going to hear something about that down the road if we don't address that. And with that, I yield.","topics_json":"[\"public_safety\"]","vector_id":"vec_seg_95607_406","created_at":"2026-10-31T07:10:54Z","speaker_name":"Andre M. Boggerty"},{"id":"seg_95607_407","meeting_id":"95607","media_asset_id":"med_95607_hls_7569e475d5ae1a9d","agenda_item_id":null,"speaker_id":"off_fred_a_neil","speaker_confidence":0.95,"start_sec":6237.33,"end_sec":6238.83,"text":"Any other questions?","topics_json":"[]","vector_id":"vec_seg_95607_407","created_at":"2026-10-31T07:10:54Z","speaker_name":"Fred A. 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Um so there are other means that can be utilized under state code with respect to intoxication and, and so on. Is that correct?","topics_json":"[\"public_safety\"]","vector_id":"vec_seg_95607_411","created_at":"2026-10-31T07:10:54Z","speaker_name":"Brian E. Lewis"},{"id":"seg_95607_412","meeting_id":"95607","media_asset_id":"med_95607_hls_7569e475d5ae1a9d","agenda_item_id":null,"speaker_id":"spk_95607_nicholas_rodriguez","speaker_confidence":0.9,"start_sec":6262.33,"end_sec":6279.63,"text":"You know, I I would like to consult with the chief. I think I My recollection is when the Attorney General's office agreed not to enforce the solicitation ordinance, it's not inconceivable it was an agreement not to enforce that um statute as well. Uh I'm I'm going to look it up as we speak.","topics_json":"[\"public_safety\"]","vector_id":"vec_seg_95607_412","created_at":"2026-10-31T07:10:54Z","speaker_name":"Nicholas Rodriguez"},{"id":"seg_95607_413","meeting_id":"95607","media_asset_id":"med_95607_hls_7569e475d5ae1a9d","agenda_item_id":null,"speaker_id":"off_brian_e_lewis","speaker_confidence":0.95,"start_sec":6279.63,"end_sec":6307.63,"text":"So my concern is, Mr. Solicitor, is if the Attorney General's office uh is refusing to enforce it, uh I mean, she's our chief law enforcement officer. Um how do you feel about uh our local police enforcing this uh if in fact this ordinance passes? I mean, we have our chief law enforcement officer um directing uh all departments in the state of Delaware not to enforce loitering and other offenses?","topics_json":"[\"public_safety\"]","vector_id":"vec_seg_95607_413","created_at":"2026-10-31T07:10:54Z","speaker_name":"Brian E. Lewis"},{"id":"seg_95607_414","meeting_id":"95607","media_asset_id":"med_95607_hls_7569e475d5ae1a9d","agenda_item_id":null,"speaker_id":"spk_95607_nicholas_rodriguez","speaker_confidence":0.9,"start_sec":6307.63,"end_sec":6312.83,"text":"Sure. So so my recollection is that that lawsuit related to the solicitation","topics_json":"[\"public_safety\"]","vector_id":"vec_seg_95607_414","created_at":"2026-10-31T07:10:54Z","speaker_name":"Nicholas Rodriguez"},{"id":"seg_95607_415","meeting_id":"95607","media_asset_id":"med_95607_hls_7569e475d5ae1a9d","agenda_item_id":null,"speaker_id":"spk_95607_nicholas_rodriguez","speaker_confidence":0.9,"start_sec":6312.83,"end_sec":6332.63,"text":"and loitering, um uh and that was more approaching vehicles and The language of uh 41-47 had mostly to do with approaching vehicles, soliciting things, asking for rides, things like that. And gentleman, the language of 21 uh 43-47","topics_json":"[\"public_safety\"]","vector_id":"vec_seg_95607_415","created_at":"2026-10-31T07:10:54Z","speaker_name":"Nicholas Rodriguez"},{"id":"seg_95607_416","meeting_id":"95607","media_asset_id":"med_95607_hls_7569e475d5ae1a9d","agenda_item_id":null,"speaker_id":"off_brian_e_lewis","speaker_confidence":0.95,"start_sec":6333.13,"end_sec":6337.13,"text":"Well, Mr. Solicitor, aren't they all safety issues?","topics_json":"[\"public_safety\"]","vector_id":"vec_seg_95607_416","created_at":"2026-10-31T07:10:54Z","speaker_name":"Brian E. Lewis"},{"id":"seg_95607_417","meeting_id":"95607","media_asset_id":"med_95607_hls_7569e475d5ae1a9d","agenda_item_id":null,"speaker_id":"spk_95607_nicholas_rodriguez","speaker_confidence":0.9,"start_sec":6339.43,"end_sec":6346.53,"text":"I I think it's a multiple Yeah, I think there are multiple issues uh with the solicitation and and seeking rides.","topics_json":"[\"public_safety\"]","vector_id":"vec_seg_95607_417","created_at":"2026-10-31T07:10:54Z","speaker_name":"Nicholas Rodriguez"},{"id":"seg_95607_418","meeting_id":"95607","media_asset_id":"med_95607_hls_7569e475d5ae1a9d","agenda_item_id":null,"speaker_id":"off_brian_e_lewis","speaker_confidence":0.95,"start_sec":6346.53,"end_sec":6356.63,"text":"I don't know, if I was in a court of law, I think I'd rest my case at this point. Um but uh I do have a statement that I'd like to read into the record, uh Mr. Neil.","topics_json":"[\"public_safety\"]","vector_id":"vec_seg_95607_418","created_at":"2026-10-31T07:10:54Z","speaker_name":"Brian E. Lewis"},{"id":"seg_95607_419","meeting_id":"95607","media_asset_id":"med_95607_hls_7569e475d5ae1a9d","agenda_item_id":null,"speaker_id":"off_fred_a_neil","speaker_confidence":0.95,"start_sec":6356.63,"end_sec":6357.83,"text":"Yes, sir.","topics_json":"[]","vector_id":"vec_seg_95607_419","created_at":"2026-10-31T07:10:54Z","speaker_name":"Fred A. Neil"},{"id":"seg_95607_42","meeting_id":"95607","media_asset_id":"med_95607_hls_7569e475d5ae1a9d","agenda_item_id":null,"speaker_id":"spk_95607_public_commenter","speaker_confidence":0.85,"start_sec":418.39,"end_sec":427.99,"text":"Delaware law leaves cities with very few tools to address this issue. This ordinance is one of the only lawful actions the city can take.","topics_json":"[\"public_safety\"]","vector_id":"vec_seg_95607_42","created_at":"2026-10-31T07:10:53Z","speaker_name":null},{"id":"seg_95607_420","meeting_id":"95607","media_asset_id":"med_95607_hls_7569e475d5ae1a9d","agenda_item_id":null,"speaker_id":"off_brian_e_lewis","speaker_confidence":0.95,"start_sec":6357.83,"end_sec":6419.83,"text":"I kindly took silence over this uh this code uh other than uh or this proposed ordinance, other than uh asking uh questions to our police chief. But uh over the weekend, I've done some research, and uh I uh went in depth and actually uh even spoke to uh an acquaintance who is a uh US District Court judge, uh and I wrote a statement out that I'd like to read into the record as I just so indicated. Uh while safety is undoubtedly important, it must be achieved within the framework of individual freedom and limited government interventions to ensure a thriving and vibrant society. We must remember sacrificing too much freedom in the name of safety can lead down a perilous path. To maintain a just and prosperous society, it is essential to cherish and uphold the principle of individual liberty. Courts have consistently determined that the act of asking for money in public space","topics_json":"[\"public_safety\",\"homelessness\"]","vector_id":"vec_seg_95607_420","created_at":"2026-10-31T07:10:54Z","speaker_name":"Brian E. Lewis"},{"id":"seg_95607_421","meeting_id":"95607","media_asset_id":"med_95607_hls_7569e475d5ae1a9d","agenda_item_id":null,"speaker_id":"off_brian_e_lewis","speaker_confidence":0.95,"start_sec":6419.83,"end_sec":6450.63,"text":"constitutes a form of speech protected by the First Amendment. Let's face it, folks. Um, you know, we all know that this ordinance originated, okay, by panhandling in the city. Okay? It wasn't originated by the fire department out there soliciting for funds for the fire department, or um school children uh working fundraisers and holding car wash signs. Are they not safety issues, too? How come we're not addressing those? Okay?","topics_json":"[\"public_safety\",\"homelessness\"]","vector_id":"vec_seg_95607_421","created_at":"2026-10-31T07:10:54Z","speaker_name":"Brian E. Lewis"},{"id":"seg_95607_422","meeting_id":"95607","media_asset_id":"med_95607_hls_7569e475d5ae1a9d","agenda_item_id":null,"speaker_id":"off_brian_e_lewis","speaker_confidence":0.95,"start_sec":6450.83,"end_sec":6526.83,"text":"Uh let me further read on. \"This protection extends beyond political or artistic expression to include solicitation for immediate personal financial assistance. The U.S. Supreme Court has affirmed that soliciting charitable contributions is a protected form of speech. The lower courts have broadly applied this principle to individual panhandling. Therefore, any government attempt to prohibit this activity is viewed as restriction on speech. A law that fails any part of this three-part test is likely to be found unconstitutional. A city cannot ban panhandling simply because some people find it annoying or because officials want to improve the city's image,\" Mr. Mayor. \"Courts have found that this government's interest in, for example, preventing nuisance is not compelling enough to justify a content-based ban on panhandling. Any ordinance that singles out the act of begging or prohibition while allowing other forms of public address or solicitation will likely be invalidated.\" Now the public brought up some um some very interesting topics uh at our","topics_json":"[\"public_safety\",\"homelessness\"]","vector_id":"vec_seg_95607_422","created_at":"2026-10-31T07:10:54Z","speaker_name":"Brian E. Lewis"},{"id":"seg_95607_423","meeting_id":"95607","media_asset_id":"med_95607_hls_7569e475d5ae1a9d","agenda_item_id":null,"speaker_id":"off_brian_e_lewis","speaker_confidence":0.95,"start_sec":6526.82,"end_sec":6585.22,"text":"last meeting and tonight's meeting. And I wrote a couple of them down. And one of them, is it a fair, is it fair to restrict the speech of those in need, number one? Number two, again, okay, I know we can't uh discriminate against panhandling, but again, I think this ordinance originated from that, in my opinion. Do panhandling bans address the problem or do they simply push out of sight? And the last and final um statement that was brought up by many people that were in attendance at the last meeting and tonight's meeting is, should the City of Dover focus more on providing resources like housing, mental health services, and job training instead of penalizing those on the medians? I think those things um are very valid and I thank the public for bringing those up. And that's all I have. Well, with that, thank you and good night.","topics_json":"[\"public_safety\",\"homelessness\",\"housing\"]","vector_id":"vec_seg_95607_423","created_at":"2026-10-31T07:10:54Z","speaker_name":"Brian E. Lewis"},{"id":"seg_95607_424","meeting_id":"95607","media_asset_id":"med_95607_hls_7569e475d5ae1a9d","agenda_item_id":null,"speaker_id":"off_fred_a_neil","speaker_confidence":0.95,"start_sec":6628.82,"end_sec":6630.82,"text":"Yes. Dr. Sudler.","topics_json":"[]","vector_id":"vec_seg_95607_424","created_at":"2026-10-31T07:10:54Z","speaker_name":"Fred A. Neil"},{"id":"seg_95607_425","meeting_id":"95607","media_asset_id":"med_95607_hls_7569e475d5ae1a9d","agenda_item_id":null,"speaker_id":"off_roy_sudler_jr","speaker_confidence":0.95,"start_sec":6631.02,"end_sec":6633.82,"text":"Thank you, Mr. President, and Council President Neil, and all. Um,","topics_json":"[\"public_safety\"]","vector_id":"vec_seg_95607_425","created_at":"2026-10-31T07:10:54Z","speaker_name":"Roy Sudler, Jr."},{"id":"seg_95607_426","meeting_id":"95607","media_asset_id":"med_95607_hls_7569e475d5ae1a9d","agenda_item_id":null,"speaker_id":"off_andre_m_boggerty","speaker_confidence":0.95,"start_sec":6633.82,"end_sec":6654.12,"text":"...how we achieve getting individuals off the median is where we separate support for this, for me. So, I can't support the ordinance. Although I support the core issue of getting individuals off the medians, I cannot support the ordinance based on fines and fees. Thank you.","topics_json":"[\"public_safety\",\"homelessness\"]","vector_id":"vec_seg_95607_426","created_at":"2026-10-31T07:10:54Z","speaker_name":"Andre M. Boggerty"},{"id":"seg_95607_427","meeting_id":"95607","media_asset_id":"med_95607_hls_7569e475d5ae1a9d","agenda_item_id":null,"speaker_id":"off_fred_a_neil","speaker_confidence":0.95,"start_sec":6654.72,"end_sec":6656.42,"text":"Councilman Rocha.","topics_json":"[]","vector_id":"vec_seg_95607_427","created_at":"2026-10-31T07:10:54Z","speaker_name":"Fred A. Neil"},{"id":"seg_95607_428","meeting_id":"95607","media_asset_id":"med_95607_hls_7569e475d5ae1a9d","agenda_item_id":null,"speaker_id":"off_gerald_l_rocha_sr","speaker_confidence":0.95,"start_sec":6657.62,"end_sec":6740.82,"text":"I agree with the statements that Councilman Lewis and and Dr.- Councilman Dr. Sudler have said, but that still doesn't apply to a wheelchair in the median. I don't I don't understand, I haven't had I just don't understand, or help me to understand, why solicitation can't take place on the sidewalk. I just don't understand, like the solicitation itself, the act of solicitation, I don't have a problem with that. I don't understand why it can't take place on the sidewalk instead of a strip median. When when it was over by DelTech, that median's a little bit different. Now that it's occurring on what is not even really a median, it's just something that DelDOT puts there to separate the traffic or whatever, I I just am not convinced that we can't address the safety portion of the ordinance and still have the solicitations take place, but in a safer spot other than in the middle of the road. I I haven't heard anybody...","topics_json":"[\"public_safety\",\"homelessness\"]","vector_id":"vec_seg_95607_428","created_at":"2026-10-31T07:10:54Z","speaker_name":"Gerald L. Rocha, Sr."},{"id":"seg_95607_429","meeting_id":"95607","media_asset_id":"med_95607_hls_7569e475d5ae1a9d","agenda_item_id":null,"speaker_id":"off_gerald_l_rocha_sr","speaker_confidence":0.95,"start_sec":6740.82,"end_sec":6764.32,"text":"come up to the microphone tonight, or in the last two months we've been talking about this, and give me something concrete to change my mind so that we can take care of the safety of those individuals so that they don't get hurt trying to do this. I just, you know.","topics_json":"[\"public_safety\"]","vector_id":"vec_seg_95607_429","created_at":"2026-10-31T07:10:54Z","speaker_name":"Gerald L. Rocha, Sr."},{"id":"seg_95607_43","meeting_id":"95607","media_asset_id":"med_95607_hls_7569e475d5ae1a9d","agenda_item_id":null,"speaker_id":"spk_95607_public_commenter_1","speaker_confidence":0.9,"start_sec":427.99,"end_sec":473.41,"text":"to improve the safety and reduce risk. We are one swerve away from a tragedy. A driver trying to avoid someone in the median could kill themselves, pedestrian, or someone in another vehicle. And if that tragedy happens, the city of Dover will find itself asking whether it used every tool available to prevent it. This ordinance gives our officers the authority they currently lack to intervene, move people out of harm's way, and guide them towards services before a life is lost. I refuse to stay silent out of discomfort while lives hang in the balance. I ask you to act now before Dover finds itself grieving a third tragedy we all saw coming. Thank you.","topics_json":"[\"public_safety\",\"homelessness\"]","vector_id":"vec_seg_95607_43","created_at":"2026-10-31T07:10:53Z","speaker_name":null},{"id":"seg_95607_430","meeting_id":"95607","media_asset_id":"med_95607_hls_7569e475d5ae1a9d","agenda_item_id":null,"speaker_id":"spk_95607_audience_member","speaker_confidence":0.8,"start_sec":6764.62,"end_sec":6766.62,"text":"How about traffic safety when they're in the streets?","topics_json":"[\"public_safety\"]","vector_id":"vec_seg_95607_430","created_at":"2026-10-31T07:10:54Z","speaker_name":null},{"id":"seg_95607_431","meeting_id":"95607","media_asset_id":"med_95607_hls_7569e475d5ae1a9d","agenda_item_id":null,"speaker_id":"off_fred_a_neil","speaker_confidence":0.95,"start_sec":6766.82,"end_sec":6772.32,"text":"Hush. Okay, is there any further member of Council? Uh Councilman Anderson.","topics_json":"[]","vector_id":"vec_seg_95607_431","created_at":"2026-10-31T07:10:54Z","speaker_name":"Fred A. Neil"},{"id":"seg_95607_432","meeting_id":"95607","media_asset_id":"med_95607_hls_7569e475d5ae1a9d","agenda_item_id":null,"speaker_id":"off_david_l_anderson","speaker_confidence":0.95,"start_sec":6772.62,"end_sec":6847.82,"text":"Thank you, Mr. President. Um, I do want to uh piggyback off of what uh Councilman Rocha said and just point out uh this ordinance shall not apply to sidewalks, private property, or other pedestrian walkways or within a vehicular and not within a vehicular lane of traffic. Uh, it is not intending to infringe on anybody's freedom of speech, not only it's not the intent, it explicitly ensures that doesn't happen. And it's uh, and with uh that type of ordinance, contrary to assertions that have been made, uh, courts have upheld it, even at the appellate level. In fact, there was the Salt, uh, I think the Salt Lake uh City, Utah case where that went up to the U.S. Supreme Court, and an ordinance just like this, 2020, and it was upheld. There's also been issues in New York where similar things have been upheld. They've been upheld in Albuquerque—","topics_json":"[\"public_safety\"]","vector_id":"vec_seg_95607_432","created_at":"2026-10-31T07:10:54Z","speaker_name":"David L. Anderson"},{"id":"seg_95607_433","meeting_id":"95607","media_asset_id":"med_95607_hls_7569e475d5ae1a9d","agenda_item_id":null,"speaker_id":"off_gerald_l_rocha_sr","speaker_confidence":0.95,"start_sec":6847.81,"end_sec":6886.61,"text":"que, New Mexico. They've been upheld. Roanoke, Virginia. Uh, you know, it's, uh, you know, that's why we didn't, uh, sit around and had, and, and draft an ordinance that we thought sounded good. That's why it's been legally vetted and, and improved in committee. Um, anyway, this is not a debate on the ordinance, I just wanted to clarify questions that had have been made because this is just first reading. Uh, we have a chance to debate and discuss it on the second reading. I yield, Mr. President.","topics_json":"[\"public_safety\"]","vector_id":"vec_seg_95607_433","created_at":"2026-10-31T07:10:54Z","speaker_name":"Gerald L. Rocha, Sr."},{"id":"seg_95607_434","meeting_id":"95607","media_asset_id":"med_95607_hls_7569e475d5ae1a9d","agenda_item_id":null,"speaker_id":"off_fred_a_neil","speaker_confidence":0.95,"start_sec":6886.61,"end_sec":6888.61,"text":"Councilwoman Hall.","topics_json":"[]","vector_id":"vec_seg_95607_434","created_at":"2026-10-31T07:10:54Z","speaker_name":"Fred A. Neil"},{"id":"seg_95607_435","meeting_id":"95607","media_asset_id":"med_95607_hls_7569e475d5ae1a9d","agenda_item_id":null,"speaker_id":"off_donyale_m_hall","speaker_confidence":0.95,"start_sec":6888.61,"end_sec":6954.81,"text":"Thank you for recognizing me. Um, to my fell- fellow Councilman Rocha, I just wanted to say that a lot of the people that I've spoken to don't even realize that standing in the median is even a prohibited activity. And because there is no signage that tells specifically that you cannot, um, conduct yourself in this manner, they feel comfortable doing that. And that was why I brought up the fact that it it would be a very easy fix for us to now take this opportunity to identify that it is not permissible to have your your wheelchair, and I'm I'm looking at at the the color picture that's on all of our desks right now. If there was a sign right there, that man could not have his wheelchair there. Could not. And so that's a very easy fix is to identify you cannot have your wheelchair here on this spot. However, across the street on the corner, it is permissible. That's something that the the highway department can absorb the cost. I've looked at the fact that those signs are indeed permissible in that manner, in that fashion, in those","topics_json":"[\"public_safety\",\"homelessness\"]","vector_id":"vec_seg_95607_435","created_at":"2026-10-31T07:10:54Z","speaker_name":"Donyale M. Hall"},{"id":"seg_95607_436","meeting_id":"95607","media_asset_id":"med_95607_hls_7569e475d5ae1a9d","agenda_item_id":null,"speaker_id":"off_donyale_m_hall","speaker_confidence":0.95,"start_sec":6954.81,"end_sec":7015.01,"text":"locations, and that there's a particular sign design. And it would just be up to us to determine what that language said and put it in place, and then we could move on from this moment knowing that it is an enforceable action that if someone rides up to that intersection and discovers that there's someone who's violating that ordinance, so or not the ordinance, but the state law, state statute, they could then make a phone call to the police department and say, you know, there's a person that I'm concerned about sitting here, and then an officer could respond. And at that time, at their discretion, they could give that warning and also give an opportunity, you know, that we could actually do some things here to provide resources, maybe even for you know, that officer that's encountering that person to say, here here's here's where you can go to find this resource. And that gives us a compassionate solution, and it also gives us a mechanism to be able to operate in enforcing what's already on the books. Public will know. Thank you.","topics_json":"[\"public_safety\",\"homelessness\"]","vector_id":"vec_seg_95607_436","created_at":"2026-10-31T07:10:54Z","speaker_name":"Donyale M. Hall"},{"id":"seg_95607_437","meeting_id":"95607","media_asset_id":"med_95607_hls_7569e475d5ae1a9d","agenda_item_id":null,"speaker_id":"off_fred_a_neil","speaker_confidence":0.95,"start_sec":7015.61,"end_sec":7017.51,"text":"Yeah. Yes, uh, Councilman Rocha.","topics_json":"[]","vector_id":"vec_seg_95607_437","created_at":"2026-10-31T07:10:54Z","speaker_name":"Fred A. Neil"},{"id":"seg_95607_438","meeting_id":"95607","media_asset_id":"med_95607_hls_7569e475d5ae1a9d","agenda_item_id":null,"speaker_id":"off_gerald_l_rocha_sr","speaker_confidence":0.95,"start_sec":7017.51,"end_sec":7020.01,"text":"Permission to dialogue.","topics_json":"[]","vector_id":"vec_seg_95607_438","created_at":"2026-10-31T07:10:54Z","speaker_name":"Gerald L. Rocha, Sr."},{"id":"seg_95607_439","meeting_id":"95607","media_asset_id":"med_95607_hls_7569e475d5ae1a9d","agenda_item_id":null,"speaker_id":"off_fred_a_neil","speaker_confidence":0.95,"start_sec":7020.21,"end_sec":7023.11,"text":"Dialogue is—is permitted.","topics_json":"[]","vector_id":"vec_seg_95607_439","created_at":"2026-10-31T07:10:54Z","speaker_name":"Fred A. Neil"},{"id":"seg_95607_44","meeting_id":"95607","media_asset_id":"med_95607_hls_7569e475d5ae1a9d","agenda_item_id":null,"speaker_id":"off_roy_sudler_jr","speaker_confidence":0.95,"start_sec":474.5,"end_sec":476.13,"text":"Thank you. Madam Clerk.","topics_json":"[]","vector_id":"vec_seg_95607_44","created_at":"2026-10-31T07:10:53Z","speaker_name":"Roy Sudler, Jr."},{"id":"seg_95607_440","meeting_id":"95607","media_asset_id":"med_95607_hls_7569e475d5ae1a9d","agenda_item_id":null,"speaker_id":"off_gerald_l_rocha_sr","speaker_confidence":0.95,"start_sec":7023.11,"end_sec":7036.41,"text":"Thank you. Thank you. So, based on what you just said, what what statute are you leaning on that's enforceable by... are you still referring to the state statute?","topics_json":"[\"public_safety\"]","vector_id":"vec_seg_95607_440","created_at":"2026-10-31T07:10:54Z","speaker_name":"Gerald L. Rocha, Sr."},{"id":"seg_95607_441","meeting_id":"95607","media_asset_id":"med_95607_hls_7569e475d5ae1a9d","agenda_item_id":null,"speaker_id":"off_donyale_m_hall","speaker_confidence":0.95,"start_sec":7036.61,"end_sec":7061.81,"text":"I am. If you can give me a second, I I pulled up some of them to show you where... There are different sections of Title 21 that pertain to different measures. The part of Title 21 that I'm referring to specifically outlines what piece of signage can go where, and it is completely permissible for us to put a sign in the median that would, um—","topics_json":"[\"public_safety\"]","vector_id":"vec_seg_95607_441","created_at":"2026-10-31T07:10:54Z","speaker_name":"Donyale M. Hall"},{"id":"seg_95607_442","meeting_id":"95607","media_asset_id":"med_95607_hls_7569e475d5ae1a9d","agenda_item_id":null,"speaker_id":"off_donyale_m_hall","speaker_confidence":0.95,"start_sec":7061.81,"end_sec":7065.71,"text":"...provides safety instructions specifically toward pedestrians.","topics_json":"[\"public_safety\"]","vector_id":"vec_seg_95607_442","created_at":"2026-10-31T07:10:54Z","speaker_name":"Donyale M. Hall"},{"id":"seg_95607_443","meeting_id":"95607","media_asset_id":"med_95607_hls_7569e475d5ae1a9d","agenda_item_id":null,"speaker_id":"off_roy_sudler_jr","speaker_confidence":0.95,"start_sec":7066.31,"end_sec":7080.11,"text":"So, from what I heard from the solicitor that that statute points more towards solicitation, where does the safety factor come into play? Cuz, you know, I'm not against the solicitation—","topics_json":"[\"public_safety\"]","vector_id":"vec_seg_95607_443","created_at":"2026-10-31T07:10:54Z","speaker_name":"Roy Sudler, Jr."},{"id":"seg_95607_444","meeting_id":"95607","media_asset_id":"med_95607_hls_7569e475d5ae1a9d","agenda_item_id":null,"speaker_id":"off_donyale_m_hall","speaker_confidence":0.95,"start_sec":7080.11,"end_sec":7085.41,"text":"Give me a moment. No, no, no, give me a moment. I can I can definitely find that for you if you give me just a second.","topics_json":"[\"public_safety\"]","vector_id":"vec_seg_95607_444","created_at":"2026-10-31T07:10:54Z","speaker_name":"Donyale M. Hall"},{"id":"seg_95607_445","meeting_id":"95607","media_asset_id":"med_95607_hls_7569e475d5ae1a9d","agenda_item_id":null,"speaker_id":"off_brian_e_lewis","speaker_confidence":0.95,"start_sec":7089.41,"end_sec":7092.41,"text":"Councilwoman Hall, I have them on my phone, can I bring them over to you?","topics_json":"[\"public_safety\"]","vector_id":"vec_seg_95607_445","created_at":"2026-10-31T07:10:54Z","speaker_name":"Brian E. Lewis"},{"id":"seg_95607_446","meeting_id":"95607","media_asset_id":"med_95607_hls_7569e475d5ae1a9d","agenda_item_id":null,"speaker_id":"off_donyale_m_hall","speaker_confidence":0.95,"start_sec":7092.61,"end_sec":7098.31,"text":"Go ahead. If you have it, I I yield and you can read it, because I had it on mine as well.","topics_json":"[\"public_safety\"]","vector_id":"vec_seg_95607_446","created_at":"2026-10-31T07:10:54Z","speaker_name":"Donyale M. Hall"},{"id":"seg_95607_447","meeting_id":"95607","media_asset_id":"med_95607_hls_7569e475d5ae1a9d","agenda_item_id":null,"speaker_id":"off_brian_e_lewis","speaker_confidence":0.9,"start_sec":7098.31,"end_sec":7102.31,"text":"Make sure these are the right ones. Thank you. There's another two down here.","topics_json":"[\"public_safety\"]","vector_id":"vec_seg_95607_447","created_at":"2026-10-31T07:10:54Z","speaker_name":"Brian E. Lewis"},{"id":"seg_95607_448","meeting_id":"95607","media_asset_id":"med_95607_hls_7569e475d5ae1a9d","agenda_item_id":null,"speaker_id":"off_brian_e_lewis","speaker_confidence":0.9,"start_sec":7109.71,"end_sec":7111.91,"text":"To make it easier, these are the two down here.","topics_json":"[\"public_safety\"]","vector_id":"vec_seg_95607_448","created_at":"2026-10-31T07:10:54Z","speaker_name":"Brian E. Lewis"},{"id":"seg_95607_449","meeting_id":"95607","media_asset_id":"med_95607_hls_7569e475d5ae1a9d","agenda_item_id":null,"speaker_id":"off_donyale_m_hall","speaker_confidence":0.95,"start_sec":7111.91,"end_sec":7121.31,"text":"Yes. Thank you. I'm going to yield so that Councilman Lewis can read those to you. I have them, but I didn't want to prolong the time. Thank you.","topics_json":"[\"public_safety\"]","vector_id":"vec_seg_95607_449","created_at":"2026-10-31T07:10:54Z","speaker_name":"Donyale M. Hall"},{"id":"seg_95607_45","meeting_id":"95607","media_asset_id":"med_95607_hls_7569e475d5ae1a9d","agenda_item_id":null,"speaker_id":"spk_95607_city_clerk","speaker_confidence":0.95,"start_sec":480.01,"end_sec":481.63,"text":"Jeanie Anderson.","topics_json":"[]","vector_id":"vec_seg_95607_45","created_at":"2026-10-31T07:10:53Z","speaker_name":null},{"id":"seg_95607_450","meeting_id":"95607","media_asset_id":"med_95607_hls_7569e475d5ae1a9d","agenda_item_id":null,"speaker_id":"off_fred_a_neil","speaker_confidence":0.95,"start_sec":7121.61,"end_sec":7123.41,"text":"Councilman Lewis, the floor is yours.","topics_json":"[]","vector_id":"vec_seg_95607_450","created_at":"2026-10-31T07:10:54Z","speaker_name":"Fred A. Neil"},{"id":"seg_95607_451","meeting_id":"95607","media_asset_id":"med_95607_hls_7569e475d5ae1a9d","agenda_item_id":null,"speaker_id":"off_brian_e_lewis","speaker_confidence":0.95,"start_sec":7123.71,"end_sec":7168.81,"text":"All right. Thank you. Under Title 21, and this is 4146, pedestrians in roadways obstructing traffic, 4146(a) states a pedestrian cannot stand in a roadway if it interferes with traffic flow. And then (b), a pedestrian cannot walk along or stand on the roadway when a sidewalk is available. And then if you go under Title 21 4177(b), obstruction of driver's view: a person cannot be positioned in a way that blocks or interferes with a driver's clear view of the roadway. Title 21 4144 states pedestrians right-of-way on sidewalks and safety zones...","topics_json":"[\"public_safety\"]","vector_id":"vec_seg_95607_451","created_at":"2026-10-31T07:10:54Z","speaker_name":"Brian E. Lewis"},{"id":"seg_95607_452","meeting_id":"95607","media_asset_id":"med_95607_hls_7569e475d5ae1a9d","agenda_item_id":null,"speaker_id":"off_brian_e_lewis","speaker_confidence":0.85,"start_sec":7168.81,"end_sec":7175.91,"text":"areas. Um so that's what I googled and uh just found. I don't know if they're the statute you were referring to,","topics_json":"[\"public_safety\"]","vector_id":"vec_seg_95607_452","created_at":"2026-10-31T07:10:54Z","speaker_name":"Brian E. Lewis"},{"id":"seg_95607_453","meeting_id":"95607","media_asset_id":"med_95607_hls_7569e475d5ae1a9d","agenda_item_id":null,"speaker_id":"spk_95607_council_member","speaker_confidence":0.7,"start_sec":7175.91,"end_sec":7176.71,"text":"They are, thank you.","topics_json":"[]","vector_id":"vec_seg_95607_453","created_at":"2026-10-31T07:10:54Z","speaker_name":null},{"id":"seg_95607_454","meeting_id":"95607","media_asset_id":"med_95607_hls_7569e475d5ae1a9d","agenda_item_id":null,"speaker_id":"off_brian_e_lewis","speaker_confidence":0.85,"start_sec":7176.71,"end_sec":7182.51,"text":"Title 21, which we currently have that the police department can and should be enforced. Thank you.","topics_json":"[\"public_safety\"]","vector_id":"vec_seg_95607_454","created_at":"2026-10-31T07:10:54Z","speaker_name":"Brian E. Lewis"},{"id":"seg_95607_455","meeting_id":"95607","media_asset_id":"med_95607_hls_7569e475d5ae1a9d","agenda_item_id":null,"speaker_id":"off_gerald_l_rocha_sr","speaker_confidence":0.95,"start_sec":7183.21,"end_sec":7191.61,"text":"And since I still have the floor, I'd like to redirect to uh Chief Johnson to address what was just read, if you could please.","topics_json":"[\"public_safety\"]","vector_id":"vec_seg_95607_455","created_at":"2026-10-31T07:10:54Z","speaker_name":"Gerald L. Rocha, Sr."},{"id":"seg_95607_456","meeting_id":"95607","media_asset_id":"med_95607_hls_7569e475d5ae1a9d","agenda_item_id":null,"speaker_id":"spk_95607_thomas_johnson_jr","speaker_confidence":0.95,"start_sec":7197.31,"end_sec":7275.81,"text":"Mr. Rocha, this is, continues to be a complex issue for us to reconcile on the law enforcement side. And again, I know what the statutes say in plain ink, and as I've tried to state to Council on previous sessions, our activities are also guided by the interpretation of that law, both by the DOJ in regards to what they will support uh as far as charging documents, and then also what the judges condition us to recognize as their interpretation of what's in and what's out. So, uh I'm, to a certain extent, I'm going to have to defer on some of the things that I just heard read out loud because I'm going to have to speak to some traffic uh supervisors that have been in the courts recently hearing these cases to see, or I'm sorry, being involved in these cases to see what the outcome is coming in the courts. The only thing I can offer for Council's consumption right now is there still appears to be a gap, and the gap um is visible to me in draft legislation that's pending in the legislature this spring where there's a very specific section related","topics_json":"[\"public_safety\"]","vector_id":"vec_seg_95607_456","created_at":"2026-10-31T07:10:54Z","speaker_name":"Thomas Johnson, Jr."},{"id":"seg_95607_457","meeting_id":"95607","media_asset_id":"med_95607_hls_7569e475d5ae1a9d","agenda_item_id":null,"speaker_id":"spk_95607_thomas_johnson","speaker_confidence":0.9,"start_sec":7275.8,"end_sec":7383.6,"text":"to pedestrians in median strips that is going to be a part of the package of sections that will be addressed to address the ACLU lawsuit and uh for lack of a better term a replacement bill for all of the sections that the DOJ has instructed the police department not to not to address or not to enforce in Delaware at the current time. Um I know it's not a complete answer to your question, and I know you were looking for something a little bit more definitive, um but it's just not that um straightforward. Um so I'll take all the sections that were said out loud, and I'll put that uh information uh in front of the folks that can tell me better. But I do know that there still appears to be a gap because the issue of pedestrians in the median um is still considered an unresolved point in the law in Delaware that potentially, and it doesn't mean it's going to make the final cut, but potentially will be addressed in the legislature this spring.","topics_json":"[\"public_safety\"]","vector_id":"vec_seg_95607_457","created_at":"2026-10-31T07:10:54Z","speaker_name":"Thomas Johnson"},{"id":"seg_95607_458","meeting_id":"95607","media_asset_id":"med_95607_hls_7569e475d5ae1a9d","agenda_item_id":null,"speaker_id":"off_brian_e_lewis","speaker_confidence":0.9,"start_sec":7384.3,"end_sec":7406.6,"text":"So the portions of section uh um the code for 21, everything that was read is basically for the solicitor, that was what you were referring to that the Attorney General said that they would not enforce?","topics_json":"[\"public_safety\"]","vector_id":"vec_seg_95607_458","created_at":"2026-10-31T07:10:54Z","speaker_name":"Brian E. Lewis"},{"id":"seg_95607_459","meeting_id":"95607","media_asset_id":"med_95607_hls_7569e475d5ae1a9d","agenda_item_id":null,"speaker_id":"spk_95607_thomas_johnson","speaker_confidence":0.9,"start_sec":7406.6,"end_sec":7422.8,"text":"So so what the Attorney General said they would not enforce is 21 Delaware Code 4147. I have it I have it in front of me, and it's entitled pedestrians soliciting rides or business. That's one of the statutes","topics_json":"[\"public_safety\"]","vector_id":"vec_seg_95607_459","created_at":"2026-10-31T07:10:54Z","speaker_name":"Thomas Johnson"},{"id":"seg_95607_46","meeting_id":"95607","media_asset_id":"med_95607_hls_7569e475d5ae1a9d","agenda_item_id":null,"speaker_id":"spk_95607_jeanie_anderson","speaker_confidence":0.95,"start_sec":529.43,"end_sec":534.99,"text":"Hello, my name is Jeanie Anderson and I want to say something to the homeless people that are here right now. I'm sorry. I feel like you're being exploited in a chess game like pawns. You are loved. You are seen. You are cared about. There are people up here on this council right now that I know for a fact, the IRT program the very first day, that was an eight or nine-day program, it was cleared out for you, to help you because you are cared about. Not homeless. 1.6 million dollars of services was given out to you because you were cared about and you were thought of first. We have, you can look that up, IRT Dover Delaware. There are people on this council right now that do care about you and they are working hard. We have some good people up here that do","topics_json":"[\"homelessness\"]","vector_id":"vec_seg_95607_46","created_at":"2026-10-31T07:10:53Z","speaker_name":"Jeanie Anderson"},{"id":"seg_95607_460","meeting_id":"95607","media_asset_id":"med_95607_hls_7569e475d5ae1a9d","agenda_item_id":null,"speaker_id":"spk_95607_city_solicitor","speaker_confidence":0.9,"start_sec":7382.8,"end_sec":7411,"text":"they said they would not enforce. Ms. Arndt asked a question about whether Title 11, um, uh, was also part of that agreement. Uh, the Chief was kind enough to call to my attention the announcement made by the Attorney General when that settlement was reached, and there is a Title 11 statute that addresses loitering. Um, that, um, was part of the agreement where the Attorney General's Office agreed not to enforce either loitering or solicitation.","topics_json":"[\"public_safety\"]","vector_id":"vec_seg_95607_460","created_at":"2026-10-31T07:10:54Z","speaker_name":null},{"id":"seg_95607_461","meeting_id":"95607","media_asset_id":"med_95607_hls_7569e475d5ae1a9d","agenda_item_id":null,"speaker_id":"off_andre_m_boggerty","speaker_confidence":0.95,"start_sec":7411.6,"end_sec":7512.3,"text":"So, to be clear, the points of the statute that refer to the safety that was just read by Councilman Lewis, that should be enforceable, I would think, Chief. And I know you said you have to go back and talk with your traffic individuals, your officers, but if that's the case, do we need this statute to to to to make the same point? And then our statute does have fines, so what is what are the repercussions? How how is the enforcement of, from a traffic standpoint, if you were going to lean on the state statute, what are the repercussions that, like how is that enforced, basically, through that statute?","topics_json":"[\"public_safety\"]","vector_id":"vec_seg_95607_461","created_at":"2026-10-31T07:10:54Z","speaker_name":"Andre M. Boggerty"},{"id":"seg_95607_462","meeting_id":"95607","media_asset_id":"med_95607_hls_7569e475d5ae1a9d","agenda_item_id":null,"speaker_id":"spk_95607_thomas_johnson","speaker_confidence":0.95,"start_sec":7514.3,"end_sec":7529.8,"text":"I'm going to get a better answer for you after this meeting as to exactly what the DOJ is willing to support and what they won't. I will also let you know that some of the language in the statutes that aren't reflected in the letter that the Solicitor just read-","topics_json":"[\"public_safety\"]","vector_id":"vec_seg_95607_462","created_at":"2026-10-31T07:10:54Z","speaker_name":"Thomas Johnson"},{"id":"seg_95607_463","meeting_id":"95607","media_asset_id":"med_95607_hls_7569e475d5ae1a9d","agenda_item_id":null,"speaker_id":"spk_95607_thomas_johnson","speaker_confidence":0.9,"start_sec":7489.8,"end_sec":7596.8,"text":"difference have subjective elements in them, and that's the part that is hard for me in a situation like this to articulate how things turn out in court, which turns around and governs our future actions with enforcement. Judges and magistrates don't like you bringing stuff back to them over and over again after they've kind of showed you through their rulings what they want to see and what they don't want to see. So, with that in mind, I'm going to get you a better answer. The other part of your question, as I've stated before in previous council sessions, we're always going to take the path that involves the least amount of punitive action. The whole goal is to gain compliance. The fact that there's a warning put into the language of this potential ordinance, I'm glad it's there, but we'd have done that anyway. You're really not trying to see how many tickets you can write. Nobody gets Officer of the Year by seeing how many times they can go out on a median strip and get the same guy day after day who is in an at-risk situation. We're just trying to get compliance with the law. So the idea that there's going to be a boatload of citations written, I would direct council's attention to any other low-level offense in the entire array of ordinances that the city has that are available to us now. We are not generating a boatload of ordinance violations because they typically don't solve the problem. But what they do do is give us the legal authority to ask somebody to step out of harm's way in no uncertain terms. Just like we were if we were in the parks or","topics_json":"[\"public_safety\"]","vector_id":"vec_seg_95607_463","created_at":"2026-10-31T07:10:54Z","speaker_name":"Thomas Johnson"},{"id":"seg_95607_464","meeting_id":"95607","media_asset_id":"med_95607_hls_7569e475d5ae1a9d","agenda_item_id":null,"speaker_id":"spk_95607_thomas_johnson","speaker_confidence":0.9,"start_sec":7596.79,"end_sec":7650.47,"text":"ordinance and doing something to maintain the good order of the parks. The general provisions section uh of the code, um there's still a a a city ordinance related to aggressive panhandling. Still kind of a subjective section, but at least it allows us some standing to take some action if we get a 911 call or we observe someone violating personal space while they're panhandling, and that would be anywhere that they would be standing, sitting, or or otherwise be lawfully present, if not for the aggressive panhandling. Uh if you were to look into our record, you will not see a ton of city ordinance violations related to behavior. The The vast majority of them are probably parking tickets. Uh those are status offenses related to cars. When it comes to people, um we explore other strategies, but the ordinance gives us the authority to act.","topics_json":"[\"public_safety\",\"homelessness\"]","vector_id":"vec_seg_95607_464","created_at":"2026-10-31T07:10:54Z","speaker_name":"Thomas Johnson"},{"id":"seg_95607_465","meeting_id":"95607","media_asset_id":"med_95607_hls_7569e475d5ae1a9d","agenda_item_id":null,"speaker_id":"off_roy_sudler_jr","speaker_confidence":0.95,"start_sec":7651.34,"end_sec":7666.24,"text":"And right now with uh the statutes that were just stated, our officers can't use those statutes to usher individuals off the median now?","topics_json":"[\"public_safety\"]","vector_id":"vec_seg_95607_465","created_at":"2026-10-31T07:10:54Z","speaker_name":"Roy Sudler, Jr."},{"id":"seg_95607_466","meeting_id":"95607","media_asset_id":"med_95607_hls_7569e475d5ae1a9d","agenda_item_id":null,"speaker_id":"spk_95607_thomas_johnson","speaker_confidence":0.9,"start_sec":7667.62,"end_sec":7669.97,"text":"It's the The officer would have to articulate","topics_json":"[\"public_safety\"]","vector_id":"vec_seg_95607_466","created_at":"2026-10-31T07:10:54Z","speaker_name":"Thomas Johnson"},{"id":"seg_95607_467","meeting_id":"95607","media_asset_id":"med_95607_hls_7569e475d5ae1a9d","agenda_item_id":null,"speaker_id":"off_roy_sudler_jr","speaker_confidence":0.95,"start_sec":7670.02,"end_sec":7672.1,"text":"give them a warning situation.","topics_json":"[\"public_safety\"]","vector_id":"vec_seg_95607_467","created_at":"2026-10-31T07:10:54Z","speaker_name":"Roy Sudler, Jr."},{"id":"seg_95607_468","meeting_id":"95607","media_asset_id":"med_95607_hls_7569e475d5ae1a9d","agenda_item_id":null,"speaker_id":"spk_95607_thomas_johnson","speaker_confidence":0.9,"start_sec":7672.43,"end_sec":7703.79,"text":"Yeah, we we could absolutely uh provide a warning to anybody for any state statute. The The idea eventually comes down to the people that comply, nobody in this room will ever hear from because they we asked them to do something, they followed through, the thing's over and done with. The question comes is when someone says, \"No. I have the right to do this,\" or \"I have the right to do that.\" And then, we wind up in that zone of, \"Okay, Officer, y- do your duty, and do what's necessary","topics_json":"[\"public_safety\"]","vector_id":"vec_seg_95607_468","created_at":"2026-10-31T07:10:54Z","speaker_name":"Thomas Johnson"},{"id":"seg_95607_469","meeting_id":"95607","media_asset_id":"med_95607_hls_7569e475d5ae1a9d","agenda_item_id":null,"speaker_id":"spk_95607_thomas_johnson","speaker_confidence":0.9,"start_sec":7703.79,"end_sec":7743.29,"text":"to do your duty, these situations, particularly if you have someone that's compromised by mental health or an untoward substance, alcohol or anything else, and they decide to become defiant. Um, and then it leads to things and places that we don't want to go as police officers unless we have to. And that's why the whole idea of knowing before you start that whatever action that you take, or the reason that you take it, will hold up in a court of law later on when it's being examined by reasonable people who are trying to figure out how we got here because somebody's injured, or something else, uh, unfortunate occurred.","topics_json":"[\"public_safety\"]","vector_id":"vec_seg_95607_469","created_at":"2026-10-31T07:10:54Z","speaker_name":"Thomas Johnson"},{"id":"seg_95607_47","meeting_id":"95607","media_asset_id":"med_95607_hls_7569e475d5ae1a9d","agenda_item_id":null,"speaker_id":"spk_95607_public_commenter","speaker_confidence":0.95,"start_sec":534.99,"end_sec":556.79,"text":"care about you. We have Open Doors Ministry. Google that, please. You are not a pawn in a chess game right now. I want you to please look that up. You We are literally doing chili cook-offs for you. We are doing everything that we can to help you. We are not embarrassed by you. We do not want to see you swept under the rug. This is This is you're not being told the truth, okay?","topics_json":"[\"homelessness\"]","vector_id":"vec_seg_95607_47","created_at":"2026-10-31T07:10:53Z","speaker_name":null},{"id":"seg_95607_470","meeting_id":"95607","media_asset_id":"med_95607_hls_7569e475d5ae1a9d","agenda_item_id":null,"speaker_id":"off_andre_m_boggerty","speaker_confidence":0.9,"start_sec":7743.29,"end_sec":7750.59,"text":"And that wouldn't be an opportunity for the Behavioral Health Unit to to be called upon in that case, in that instance?","topics_json":"[\"public_safety\"]","vector_id":"vec_seg_95607_470","created_at":"2026-10-31T07:10:54Z","speaker_name":"Andre M. Boggerty"},{"id":"seg_95607_471","meeting_id":"95607","media_asset_id":"med_95607_hls_7569e475d5ae1a9d","agenda_item_id":null,"speaker_id":"spk_95607_thomas_johnson","speaker_confidence":0.9,"start_sec":7750.79,"end_sec":7801.19,"text":"Yeah, you've identified one of our primary strategies when we come across somebody in adverse situations, whether it be in the median or anywhere else for that matter. Uh, I think you'll find most of our working patrol officers, especially when those guys are on duty, are going to get them involved, um, pretty quick if there's an opportunity, um, to to guide them into someplace that doesn't have anything to do with a charging document.","topics_json":"[\"public_safety\",\"homelessness\"]","vector_id":"vec_seg_95607_471","created_at":"2026-10-31T07:10:54Z","speaker_name":"Thomas Johnson"},{"id":"seg_95607_472","meeting_id":"95607","media_asset_id":"med_95607_hls_7569e475d5ae1a9d","agenda_item_id":null,"speaker_id":"spk_95607_thomas_johnson","speaker_confidence":0.9,"start_sec":7801.19,"end_sec":7840.99,"text":"But there are occasions where we come across folks, particularly folks that we come across regularly, that either politely or not so politely, uh, decline services, and then that leaves us only with accountability assuming that we have a law that we can enforce. That's the only other mechanism that we have to address the issue if they don't, uh, want to accept services or accept our guidance to a safer place or a better situation.","topics_json":"[\"public_safety\",\"homelessness\"]","vector_id":"vec_seg_95607_472","created_at":"2026-10-31T07:10:54Z","speaker_name":"Thomas Johnson"},{"id":"seg_95607_473","meeting_id":"95607","media_asset_id":"med_95607_hls_7569e475d5ae1a9d","agenda_item_id":null,"speaker_id":"off_andre_m_boggerty","speaker_confidence":0.9,"start_sec":7841.79,"end_sec":7850.79,"text":"So, if this ordinance didn't exist, this proposed ordinance didn't exist, and yet we still would like to--","topics_json":"[\"public_safety\"]","vector_id":"vec_seg_95607_473","created_at":"2026-10-31T07:10:54Z","speaker_name":"Andre M. Boggerty"},{"id":"seg_95607_474","meeting_id":"95607","media_asset_id":"med_95607_hls_7569e475d5ae1a9d","agenda_item_id":null,"speaker_id":"off_fred_a_neil","speaker_confidence":0.85,"start_sec":7810.79,"end_sec":7825.29,"text":"use the state statute to issue warnings about pedestrians in in the median, particularly the wheelchair, our officers, would they be able to do that?","topics_json":"[\"public_safety\"]","vector_id":"vec_seg_95607_474","created_at":"2026-10-31T07:10:54Z","speaker_name":"Fred A. Neil"},{"id":"seg_95607_475","meeting_id":"95607","media_asset_id":"med_95607_hls_7569e475d5ae1a9d","agenda_item_id":null,"speaker_id":"spk_95607_thomas_johnson","speaker_confidence":0.95,"start_sec":7826.99,"end_sec":7917.59,"text":"Yes, they'll have to articulate the statute if it if it was ever challenged. The farther away you get from the actual intersection but still on the median, the less I suspect it'll be interpreted that there's that obstruction because the obstruction has to do with the process of turning or preparing to turn when you're talking about intersections. The mode of transportation, whether someone's on foot, in a wheelchair, on a scooter, that the the device or the the mechanism of transportation really doesn't matter. It's the mere fact that you're there. So there's very limited difference, at least in the eyes of the law, how you're getting around. So if it's your own two feet or if it's the wheelchair that you have, if you're out in the median strip and particularly in close proximity to intersections, which I mentioned in a in a previous council session was my biggest area of concern, our serious injuries and our fatalities typically occur on higher speed roadways, particularly limited access highways, and complex, complicated intersections where drivers are trying to navigate multiple travel lanes and multiple driver movements. So if you can keep those areas clear of distraction, obstruction, or any other thing that's going to make it even harder to do, that is the police department's interest in this ordinance.","topics_json":"[\"public_safety\"]","vector_id":"vec_seg_95607_475","created_at":"2026-10-31T07:10:54Z","speaker_name":"Thomas Johnson"},{"id":"seg_95607_476","meeting_id":"95607","media_asset_id":"med_95607_hls_7569e475d5ae1a9d","agenda_item_id":null,"speaker_id":"off_andre_m_boggerty","speaker_confidence":0.95,"start_sec":7917.79,"end_sec":7952.79,"text":"So then my last question, and then I'll I'll yield to to Dr. Sudler. What does the local ordinance do? How does that help you to to do what we're requesting versus the state statute? Like what differences are in your mind are going to enhance or diminish your ability to rectify and keep those people safe?","topics_json":"[\"public_safety\"]","vector_id":"vec_seg_95607_476","created_at":"2026-10-31T07:10:54Z","speaker_name":"Andre M. 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And that's um, when people have multiple low-level offenses on their on their record if someone was to do a search, people interpret that the way the way they will. Um, it's a little bit easier to use a lower-level offense um that doesn't appear um on as many database searches for someone's future considerations. And as long as we had at least some semblance of lawful","topics_json":"[\"public_safety\"]","vector_id":"vec_seg_95607_477","created_at":"2026-10-31T07:10:54Z","speaker_name":"Thomas Johnson"},{"id":"seg_95607_478","meeting_id":"95607","media_asset_id":"med_95607_hls_7569e475d5ae1a9d","agenda_item_id":null,"speaker_id":"spk_95607_unknown_male_speaker","speaker_confidence":0.8,"start_sec":8024.78,"end_sec":8036.61,"text":"and an ordinance does that for us. Um, it allows us to save someone from having exposure to um state level charges and state level consequences.","topics_json":"[\"public_safety\"]","vector_id":"vec_seg_95607_478","created_at":"2026-10-31T07:10:54Z","speaker_name":null},{"id":"seg_95607_479","meeting_id":"95607","media_asset_id":"med_95607_hls_7569e475d5ae1a9d","agenda_item_id":null,"speaker_id":"spk_95607_unknown_male_speaker_2","speaker_confidence":0.7,"start_sec":8036.81,"end_sec":8039.95,"text":"For background checks, you're suggesting?","topics_json":"[\"public_safety\"]","vector_id":"vec_seg_95607_479","created_at":"2026-10-31T07:10:54Z","speaker_name":null},{"id":"seg_95607_48","meeting_id":"95607","media_asset_id":"med_95607_hls_7569e475d5ae1a9d","agenda_item_id":null,"speaker_id":"spk_95607_public_commenter","speaker_confidence":0.95,"start_sec":557.19,"end_sec":587.59,"text":"Um, we have given out hundreds of backpacks and sleeping bags. We have given Open Doors Ministry, Google that right now, please. Also, Google the IRT comes to Dover, Delaware. There are people, Donyale Hall was on that, she helped coordinate it. Fred Neil, the council president, also helped with getting out the media publicity. David Anderson brought that here. Other people have come out here, and they have worked with the homeless. But we're being told that we're embarrassed by you, we are not embarrassed by you.","topics_json":"[\"homelessness\"]","vector_id":"vec_seg_95607_48","created_at":"2026-10-31T07:10:53Z","speaker_name":null},{"id":"seg_95607_480","meeting_id":"95607","media_asset_id":"med_95607_hls_7569e475d5ae1a9d","agenda_item_id":null,"speaker_id":"spk_95607_unknown_male_speaker","speaker_confidence":0.8,"start_sec":8040.81,"end_sec":8042.84,"text":"That could That could be part of it, sir.","topics_json":"[\"public_safety\"]","vector_id":"vec_seg_95607_480","created_at":"2026-10-31T07:10:54Z","speaker_name":null},{"id":"seg_95607_481","meeting_id":"95607","media_asset_id":"med_95607_hls_7569e475d5ae1a9d","agenda_item_id":null,"speaker_id":"spk_95607_unknown_male_speaker_2","speaker_confidence":0.7,"start_sec":8043.68,"end_sec":8045.69,"text":"Thank you. I I yield.","topics_json":"[]","vector_id":"vec_seg_95607_481","created_at":"2026-10-31T07:10:54Z","speaker_name":null},{"id":"seg_95607_482","meeting_id":"95607","media_asset_id":"med_95607_hls_7569e475d5ae1a9d","agenda_item_id":null,"speaker_id":"off_fred_a_neil","speaker_confidence":0.9,"start_sec":8045.69,"end_sec":8047.22,"text":"Thank you. Dr. Sudler?","topics_json":"[]","vector_id":"vec_seg_95607_482","created_at":"2026-10-31T07:10:54Z","speaker_name":"Fred A. Neil"},{"id":"seg_95607_483","meeting_id":"95607","media_asset_id":"med_95607_hls_7569e475d5ae1a9d","agenda_item_id":null,"speaker_id":"off_tricia_k_arndt","speaker_confidence":0.9,"start_sec":8047.53,"end_sec":8049.59,"text":"Chris Boggerty had his hand up first.","topics_json":"[]","vector_id":"vec_seg_95607_483","created_at":"2026-10-31T07:10:54Z","speaker_name":"Tricia K. 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Thank you.","topics_json":"[]","vector_id":"vec_seg_95607_485","created_at":"2026-10-31T07:10:54Z","speaker_name":"Roy Sudler, Jr."},{"id":"seg_95607_486","meeting_id":"95607","media_asset_id":"med_95607_hls_7569e475d5ae1a9d","agenda_item_id":null,"speaker_id":"off_andre_m_boggerty","speaker_confidence":0.95,"start_sec":8054.36,"end_sec":8129.69,"text":"Thank you for yielding. Um, just guidance and if depending upon the answer, a path forward, much like the loitering or or ordinance, I hate to bring up old wounds, was pretty much rendered moot by the decision of the state at one point. Um, is it Would it be wise to take a lesson from that and hold this in in abeyance until the state makes a decision if they're if we move forward with with this and all the robust discussion and you know, not that we we get elected to get insulted and that's okay, but um but um but with all the robust decision, everything that we would have to enact um and only until March cuz this doesn't wouldn't come back on the agenda until when?","topics_json":"[]","vector_id":"vec_seg_95607_486","created_at":"2026-10-31T07:10:54Z","speaker_name":"Andre M. Boggerty"},{"id":"seg_95607_487","meeting_id":"95607","media_asset_id":"med_95607_hls_7569e475d5ae1a9d","agenda_item_id":null,"speaker_id":"off_tricia_k_arndt","speaker_confidence":0.9,"start_sec":8129.69,"end_sec":8131.78,"text":"January 12th. January 12th.","topics_json":"[]","vector_id":"vec_seg_95607_487","created_at":"2026-10-31T07:10:54Z","speaker_name":"Tricia K. Arndt"},{"id":"seg_95607_488","meeting_id":"95607","media_asset_id":"med_95607_hls_7569e475d5ae1a9d","agenda_item_id":null,"speaker_id":"off_andre_m_boggerty","speaker_confidence":0.95,"start_sec":8131.78,"end_sec":8138.08,"text":"...considering a a pedestrian safety ordinance to to to rework 41-47.","topics_json":"[\"public_safety\"]","vector_id":"vec_seg_95607_488","created_at":"2026-10-31T07:10:54Z","speaker_name":"Andre M. Boggerty"},{"id":"seg_95607_489","meeting_id":"95607","media_asset_id":"med_95607_hls_7569e475d5ae1a9d","agenda_item_id":null,"speaker_id":"off_fred_a_neil","speaker_confidence":0.9,"start_sec":8138.08,"end_sec":8140.28,"text":"Sometime in March, correct?","topics_json":"[\"public_safety\"]","vector_id":"vec_seg_95607_489","created_at":"2026-10-31T07:10:54Z","speaker_name":"Fred A. Neil"},{"id":"seg_95607_49","meeting_id":"95607","media_asset_id":"med_95607_hls_7569e475d5ae1a9d","agenda_item_id":null,"speaker_id":"spk_95607_public_commenter","speaker_confidence":0.95,"start_sec":587.99,"end_sec":641.99,"text":"This is a safety issue. There is a homeless person right here that is sitting in the median strip and they could have got hit by a car. We care about these people. This is a safety issue. I myself have been sitting in my car at a light at ALDI's, and I had a stranger approach my door and is banging on my window trying to get me to put my window down. This is a safety issue. And I'm sorry to everybody that's being told wrongly that they're not cared about, because you are cared about, you are loved. We are working on this, and I know for a fact, all you got to do is Google a lot of these people up here: Donyale Hall, David Anderson, Pastor Boggerty, also Brian Lewis, Rocha. These people have done a lot for the community to help with homeless people, and they keep getting attacked wrongly. Just Google this. And like I said, nobody's trying to sweep you under the rug, nobody's trying to take away your rights...","topics_json":"[\"homelessness\",\"public_safety\"]","vector_id":"vec_seg_95607_49","created_at":"2026-10-31T07:10:53Z","speaker_name":null},{"id":"seg_95607_490","meeting_id":"95607","media_asset_id":"med_95607_hls_7569e475d5ae1a9d","agenda_item_id":null,"speaker_id":"off_andre_m_boggerty","speaker_confidence":0.95,"start_sec":8140.28,"end_sec":8273.58,"text":"Well, whenever it is, there's a rework. I won't hold them to a time, but there's a rework. That rework could either strongly give the, you know, give the give a state um ordinance um to increase the the munici- municipalities' strength to enforce and/or render this moot like it did loitering. So my path forward recommendation is enforce what we have now at the best that we can with the full understanding that individuals like wheelbarrows, I think common sense prevails if if that's a safety risk, we can the police can can work that, but in the meantime, maybe if we hold this in abeyance until the state makes a decision, maybe we just, you know, just lean upon that for guidance in in in the path forward. I mean, just a recommendation. I'm still outside the fees and fine fines, I'm not supporting fees and fines and increased the opportunity for debtor's court and all of those things that that will do. Um I'm still going to stick to my decision, but I understand the necessity um for safety. And uh so that that this is not me swaying, this is just me staying. And until we have a clear answer from the state, maybe abeyance is is the best path forward. I don't know.","topics_json":"[\"public_safety\",\"homelessness\"]","vector_id":"vec_seg_95607_490","created_at":"2026-10-31T07:10:54Z","speaker_name":"Andre M. Boggerty"},{"id":"seg_95607_491","meeting_id":"95607","media_asset_id":"med_95607_hls_7569e475d5ae1a9d","agenda_item_id":null,"speaker_id":"off_fred_a_neil","speaker_confidence":0.95,"start_sec":8273.58,"end_sec":8275.58,"text":"Councilman Sudler.","topics_json":"[]","vector_id":"vec_seg_95607_491","created_at":"2026-10-31T07:10:54Z","speaker_name":"Fred A. Neil"},{"id":"seg_95607_492","meeting_id":"95607","media_asset_id":"med_95607_hls_7569e475d5ae1a9d","agenda_item_id":null,"speaker_id":"off_roy_sudler_jr","speaker_confidence":0.95,"start_sec":8275.58,"end_sec":8278.78,"text":"Uh thank you, Council President. Uh thank you for recognizing me. Um...","topics_json":"[]","vector_id":"vec_seg_95607_492","created_at":"2026-10-31T07:10:54Z","speaker_name":"Roy Sudler, Jr."},{"id":"seg_95607_493","meeting_id":"95607","media_asset_id":"med_95607_hls_7569e475d5ae1a9d","agenda_item_id":null,"speaker_id":"off_roy_sudler_jr","speaker_confidence":0.95,"start_sec":8238.78,"end_sec":8345.78,"text":"I concur. I think that we need to see what the state statutes are going to come up with uh with their revision or revisiting. But I sort of have uh I'm sort of confused a little bit. Um I'm hearing that we, you know, we do have statutes, state statutes that can address the issue. And then, at the same time, there are there are gaps, and I think the gap is in the knowledge and information uh that we're being given uh or maybe that we can receive additional information and knowledge um in real time um on the floor so our constituents can also understand uh the information that we're receiving and how we have to vote. Uh so my our real question is for the City Solicitor. Uh do you think do you think that with everything being said, the statutes that were read by Councilman Lewis and the dialogue, uh do you think it may be a good idea for us to also to bring in DelDOT, it being that uh highway uh say they do a lot with highway safety, and I'm sure that they're probably um having a lot of conversation with state legislators so they're drafting this pedestrian safety? Uh do you think it might be beneficial for us to possibly have a representative from the DelDOT division to come and sort of give us their overview on the median and what they see coming um down the line uh, which can help us to make our help us in our final decision on whether or not we uh want to either move forward with this ordinance or support the ordinance or not support the ordinance? Do you-","topics_json":"[\"public_safety\"]","vector_id":"vec_seg_95607_493","created_at":"2026-10-31T07:10:54Z","speaker_name":"Roy Sudler, Jr."},{"id":"seg_95607_494","meeting_id":"95607","media_asset_id":"med_95607_hls_7569e475d5ae1a9d","agenda_item_id":null,"speaker_id":"off_roy_sudler_jr","speaker_confidence":0.9,"start_sec":8345.77,"end_sec":8347.67,"text":"That might be a good idea.","topics_json":"[]","vector_id":"vec_seg_95607_494","created_at":"2026-10-31T07:10:54Z","speaker_name":"Roy Sudler, Jr."},{"id":"seg_95607_495","meeting_id":"95607","media_asset_id":"med_95607_hls_7569e475d5ae1a9d","agenda_item_id":null,"speaker_id":"spk_95607_nicholas_rodriguez","speaker_confidence":0.9,"start_sec":8347.97,"end_sec":8380.87,"text":"Uh, I'll say this. Here's Here's one of the things that the courts really look at is the pre-enactment information that council gets. So, the more pre-enactment information that's gathered, um, the courts look favorably upon. So that if there's statistical information about fatalities or injuries, um, that that the council has gathered, that's helpful to the court. Um, if there's other information, so, so pre-enactment information, um, the more you get, the more helpful it is.","topics_json":"[\"public_safety\"]","vector_id":"vec_seg_95607_495","created_at":"2026-10-31T07:10:54Z","speaker_name":"Nicholas Rodriguez"},{"id":"seg_95607_496","meeting_id":"95607","media_asset_id":"med_95607_hls_7569e475d5ae1a9d","agenda_item_id":null,"speaker_id":"off_roy_sudler_jr","speaker_confidence":0.95,"start_sec":8380.97,"end_sec":8452.77,"text":"Well, thank you. I was just thinking about MPO and their safety analysis. So, and just in general, so, you know, with, um, the advice they do have provided, rendered, you know, I would like to make a motion that we have the city solicitor to, um, contact DelDOT and have a representative to, uh, present to council, and I believe the appropriate, um, the appropriate, uh, uh, uh, committee would be the Safety Advisory and Transportation Committee, being it's a safety issue, to to, uh, have that feedback either, um, reviewed and expressed by the city solicitor and/or have a representative from DelDOT to come in to present, uh, to to us, whichever is most feasible, uh, to to that committee, uh, their feedback in regards to medians and and the, uh, future legislation that","topics_json":"[\"public_safety\"]","vector_id":"vec_seg_95607_496","created_at":"2026-10-31T07:10:54Z","speaker_name":"Roy Sudler, Jr."},{"id":"seg_95607_497","meeting_id":"95607","media_asset_id":"med_95607_hls_7569e475d5ae1a9d","agenda_item_id":null,"speaker_id":"off_roy_sudler_jr","speaker_confidence":0.95,"start_sec":8452.77,"end_sec":8456.17,"text":"they may or may not have participated in drafting.","topics_json":"[]","vector_id":"vec_seg_95607_497","created_at":"2026-10-31T07:10:54Z","speaker_name":"Roy Sudler, Jr."},{"id":"seg_95607_498","meeting_id":"95607","media_asset_id":"med_95607_hls_7569e475d5ae1a9d","agenda_item_id":null,"speaker_id":"off_donyale_m_hall","speaker_confidence":0.95,"start_sec":8458.17,"end_sec":8459.57,"text":"Hall second.","topics_json":"[]","vector_id":"vec_seg_95607_498","created_at":"2026-10-31T07:10:54Z","speaker_name":"Donyale M. Hall"},{"id":"seg_95607_499","meeting_id":"95607","media_asset_id":"med_95607_hls_7569e475d5ae1a9d","agenda_item_id":null,"speaker_id":"off_fred_a_neil","speaker_confidence":0.95,"start_sec":8460.27,"end_sec":8464.47,"text":"It's been moved and seconded. Any discussion?","topics_json":"[]","vector_id":"vec_seg_95607_499","created_at":"2026-10-31T07:10:54Z","speaker_name":"Fred A. Neil"},{"id":"seg_95607_5","meeting_id":"95607","media_asset_id":"med_95607_hls_7569e475d5ae1a9d","agenda_item_id":null,"speaker_id":"off_fred_a_neil","speaker_confidence":0.95,"start_sec":111,"end_sec":117.1,"text":"May we have your name and address, please, at podium so we can hear you and be recorded?","topics_json":"[]","vector_id":"vec_seg_95607_5","created_at":"2026-10-31T07:10:53Z","speaker_name":"Fred A. Neil"},{"id":"seg_95607_50","meeting_id":"95607","media_asset_id":"med_95607_hls_7569e475d5ae1a9d","agenda_item_id":null,"speaker_id":"spk_95607_public_commenter","speaker_confidence":0.9,"start_sec":641.98,"end_sec":659.58,"text":"to speak. You are loved, you are cared about, and I urge you to please Google these things because it is there, and it's also, if you Google this, you'll also see it on TV. You guys are cared about, and I'm so sorry that that you're being brought here and being told that people don't care about you because you are loved, and I'm so sorry. Thank you.","topics_json":"[\"homelessness\",\"public_safety\"]","vector_id":"vec_seg_95607_50","created_at":"2026-10-31T07:10:53Z","speaker_name":null},{"id":"seg_95607_500","meeting_id":"95607","media_asset_id":"med_95607_hls_7569e475d5ae1a9d","agenda_item_id":null,"speaker_id":"off_tricia_k_arndt","speaker_confidence":0.95,"start_sec":8464.57,"end_sec":8465.77,"text":"Neil, this is Arndt.","topics_json":"[]","vector_id":"vec_seg_95607_500","created_at":"2026-10-31T07:10:54Z","speaker_name":"Tricia K. Arndt"},{"id":"seg_95607_501","meeting_id":"95607","media_asset_id":"med_95607_hls_7569e475d5ae1a9d","agenda_item_id":null,"speaker_id":"off_fred_a_neil","speaker_confidence":0.95,"start_sec":8465.77,"end_sec":8467.37,"text":"Yes, Councilwoman Arndt.","topics_json":"[]","vector_id":"vec_seg_95607_501","created_at":"2026-10-31T07:10:54Z","speaker_name":"Fred A. Neil"},{"id":"seg_95607_502","meeting_id":"95607","media_asset_id":"med_95607_hls_7569e475d5ae1a9d","agenda_item_id":null,"speaker_id":"off_tricia_k_arndt","speaker_confidence":0.95,"start_sec":8467.77,"end_sec":8529.57,"text":"Thank you. Just from my experience, a a state agency, a representative from a state agency is not going to comment on the agency's perspective on potential legislation. When legislation is drafted, there is a process that um departments are sought out for comment, but I don't think it would be appropriate to ask those questions at this time. There is significant pedestrian safety data. There's datasets. We can ask specific questions and get that information, or we can dig online and get it ourselves. Um, the MPO had provided some resources uh for that type of information. Um so my my train of thought is that it would not be appropriate to have a DelDOT representative come to speak on this issue specific to safety in the median, I feel.","topics_json":"[\"public_safety\"]","vector_id":"vec_seg_95607_502","created_at":"2026-10-31T07:10:54Z","speaker_name":"Tricia K. Arndt"},{"id":"seg_95607_503","meeting_id":"95607","media_asset_id":"med_95607_hls_7569e475d5ae1a9d","agenda_item_id":null,"speaker_id":"off_fred_a_neil","speaker_confidence":0.95,"start_sec":8529.77,"end_sec":8530.97,"text":"Councilman Sudler.","topics_json":"[]","vector_id":"vec_seg_95607_503","created_at":"2026-10-31T07:10:54Z","speaker_name":"Fred A. Neil"},{"id":"seg_95607_504","meeting_id":"95607","media_asset_id":"med_95607_hls_7569e475d5ae1a9d","agenda_item_id":null,"speaker_id":"off_roy_sudler_jr","speaker_confidence":0.95,"start_sec":8531.27,"end_sec":8559.77,"text":"Uh thank you for recognizing me, Councilman Neil. Um, I was I I respect your opinion, um, but I was think I would like to hear from DelDOT. I'd rather them deny, ask the question and they deny, then then not ask it and they were able to provide. Um, I know you do work for DelDOT and I'm sure you have plenty of knowledge and and all due respect to your knowledge, but I you have not because you ask not, I think. If we ask them and they say no, that's just fine. If they need to just email us...","topics_json":"[\"public_safety\"]","vector_id":"vec_seg_95607_504","created_at":"2026-10-31T07:10:54Z","speaker_name":"Roy Sudler, Jr."},{"id":"seg_95607_505","meeting_id":"95607","media_asset_id":"med_95607_hls_7569e475d5ae1a9d","agenda_item_id":null,"speaker_id":"off_andre_m_boggerty","speaker_confidence":0.95,"start_sec":8559.77,"end_sec":8609.57,"text":"go down to um you know how they may look at individuals on the median and maybe where we'd have to draft maybe the size of the median make it significant, you know, just their feedback being that they are DelDOT. And sometimes, you know, when you look online, not everyone interprets what they're reading or comprehend what they're reading, um, the same way everyone else does. But typically when you hear something it's pretty much, you know, well that's better, so just for the sake of, you know, if they don't, if they can't really give us any information on that or their feedback or review, how do you feel about that? I'd rather ask than than not ask, but I appreciate you bringing forth, um, your concern. Thank you.","topics_json":"[\"public_safety\"]","vector_id":"vec_seg_95607_505","created_at":"2026-10-31T07:10:54Z","speaker_name":"Andre M. Boggerty"},{"id":"seg_95607_506","meeting_id":"95607","media_asset_id":"med_95607_hls_7569e475d5ae1a9d","agenda_item_id":null,"speaker_id":"off_fred_a_neil","speaker_confidence":0.9,"start_sec":8609.57,"end_sec":8611.37,"text":"Councilman Rocha.","topics_json":"[]","vector_id":"vec_seg_95607_506","created_at":"2026-10-31T07:10:54Z","speaker_name":"Fred A. Neil"},{"id":"seg_95607_507","meeting_id":"95607","media_asset_id":"med_95607_hls_7569e475d5ae1a9d","agenda_item_id":null,"speaker_id":"off_gerald_l_rocha_sr","speaker_confidence":0.95,"start_sec":8611.37,"end_sec":8666.77,"text":"Yeah. So, um, thank you, uh, Councilwoman Hall, for enlightening on that part of the statute that you pointed out, and Councilman Lewis, because that, to me, that brings a whole different perspective. And I know I had heard members of the audience that came up and stated it like that. But, you know, we do try to listen to staff recommendations, um, and weigh it. You know what I mean? That's what I try to do anyway. Um, and if my if my if I'm looking at our staff and if our staff is is advocating for this, try to respect the fact that that's being what the ask is for. The the the bottom line though is","topics_json":"[\"public_safety\"]","vector_id":"vec_seg_95607_507","created_at":"2026-10-31T07:10:54Z","speaker_name":"Gerald L. 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So now I just need, you know, I'm I'm leaning towards listening to what Dr. Sudler is saying, and also listening to what Councilman Boggerty is saying, do we need more time before we just I I think I might need to hear more uh and weigh more on this before I sign off on this uh this this The chief still has to go back and do some homework, ask his uh safety officers, traffic safety officers. So at this point right now, uh I think the evidence is pretty clear to me uh and I'm not saying that we just toss this this ordinance out, Councilman Anderson, I'm not say suggesting that. But I think that there that uh we need more answers. Number one, if this the state statute is sufficient, how do we get the state statute implemented for us so that the safety of these individ-","topics_json":"[\"public_safety\"]","vector_id":"vec_seg_95607_508","created_at":"2026-10-31T07:10:54Z","speaker_name":"Gerald L. 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And I think we still need to go and do some more research to verify. If that takes till March, I'm okay with that. In the meantime, it sounds to me like whatever is on the books right now on the state statute level, our officers can figure out a way, you know, maybe non-punitively, but lean on that statute to usher them off and get them to a safe place. I think that's there. But I I do I am in","topics_json":"[\"homelessness\",\"public_safety\"]","vector_id":"vec_seg_95607_509","created_at":"2026-10-31T07:10:54Z","speaker_name":"Roy Sudler, Jr."},{"id":"seg_95607_51","meeting_id":"95607","media_asset_id":"med_95607_hls_7569e475d5ae1a9d","agenda_item_id":null,"speaker_id":"off_robin_r_christiansen","speaker_confidence":0.95,"start_sec":660.78,"end_sec":665.48,"text":"Thank you. Madam Clerk, our next speaker?","topics_json":"[]","vector_id":"vec_seg_95607_51","created_at":"2026-10-31T07:10:53Z","speaker_name":"Robin R. Christiansen"},{"id":"seg_95607_510","meeting_id":"95607","media_asset_id":"med_95607_hls_7569e475d5ae1a9d","agenda_item_id":null,"speaker_id":"off_roy_sudler_jr","speaker_confidence":0.95,"start_sec":8880.76,"end_sec":8894.66,"text":"trying now to see that there is more research needed. And if there's a gap, have it more clearly defined before we move this statute forward. With that, I yield.","topics_json":"[\"public_safety\"]","vector_id":"vec_seg_95607_510","created_at":"2026-10-31T07:10:54Z","speaker_name":"Roy Sudler, Jr."},{"id":"seg_95607_511","meeting_id":"95607","media_asset_id":"med_95607_hls_7569e475d5ae1a9d","agenda_item_id":null,"speaker_id":"off_fred_a_neil","speaker_confidence":0.95,"start_sec":8894.76,"end_sec":8896.96,"text":"Chief Johnson.","topics_json":"[]","vector_id":"vec_seg_95607_511","created_at":"2026-10-31T07:10:54Z","speaker_name":"Fred A. Neil"},{"id":"seg_95607_512","meeting_id":"95607","media_asset_id":"med_95607_hls_7569e475d5ae1a9d","agenda_item_id":null,"speaker_id":"spk_95607_thomas_johnson","speaker_confidence":0.95,"start_sec":8898.26,"end_sec":8987.76,"text":"Thank you, Mr. President. Mr. Rocha, just wanted to inform you, I'm trying as quickly as I can to get the clarity that you're looking for. I don't think I've got it on every section, but the- as it relates to the section for obstructed view and pedestrian obstructing the view of the driver, um, my supervisory tree is letting me know, uh, of course by- by way of text, so it's a limited exchange, um, but the challenge to that section for what we're talking about this evening is the courts want to see a victim. A driver needs to be available to testify that their view was obstructed by the pedestrian, and without that cooperating witness, like- as I mentioned earlier, it's one of those subjective sections that sometimes needs the- the person who's affected by it to testify in court in relation to the offense. So, um, now it's a little bit more clear to me as to why that continues to be a challenge for us to use that. I got to be candid, it's not a section that I've ever had personal occasion to enforce in Delaware, which is why I had to ask. Um, but that particular section about the pedestrian being the visual obstruction to a driver requires the driver to testify that they were a visual obstruction, which means we have to catch the motorist that we think might have been blocked, or we need to hang on to them if they called 911 and complained about that.","topics_json":"[\"public_safety\"]","vector_id":"vec_seg_95607_512","created_at":"2026-10-31T07:10:54Z","speaker_name":"Thomas Johnson"},{"id":"seg_95607_513","meeting_id":"95607","media_asset_id":"med_95607_hls_7569e475d5ae1a9d","agenda_item_id":null,"speaker_id":"spk_95607_thomas_johnson","speaker_confidence":0.9,"start_sec":8987.76,"end_sec":8991.16,"text":"that specific issue and get their consent that they would testify in a court proceeding.","topics_json":"[\"public_safety\"]","vector_id":"vec_seg_95607_513","created_at":"2026-10-31T07:10:54Z","speaker_name":"Thomas Johnson"},{"id":"seg_95607_514","meeting_id":"95607","media_asset_id":"med_95607_hls_7569e475d5ae1a9d","agenda_item_id":null,"speaker_id":"off_roy_sudler_jr","speaker_confidence":0.95,"start_sec":8996.26,"end_sec":9016.06,"text":"Councilman Neil, may I have a dialogue with the Chief? Council President, thank you. So, what what would we be able to use to usher them off of the median, uh, for their own safety and not just obstruction?","topics_json":"[\"public_safety\"]","vector_id":"vec_seg_95607_514","created_at":"2026-10-31T07:10:54Z","speaker_name":"Roy Sudler, Jr."},{"id":"seg_95607_515","meeting_id":"95607","media_asset_id":"med_95607_hls_7569e475d5ae1a9d","agenda_item_id":null,"speaker_id":"spk_95607_thomas_johnson","speaker_confidence":0.95,"start_sec":9017.06,"end_sec":9124.76,"text":"And and, Sir, that comes back to that, I guess, probably the root question here is the the subjective nature of whether they're safe or not safe in a median. It's not 100% addressed by the law right now under the current situation with the ACLU suit and the the concessions that the DOJ made. And as I alluded to before, I have no idea if the draft that I saw is what's going to make it to the floor in the assembly. But I do know that there is a specific section in the replacement law that's under consideration that specifically addresses medians and folks standing on them, because that's not clearly available to us in any other section of either Title 11 or Title 21, because if there was, it wouldn't need to be in the replacement bill. And it it's if it if it turns it back into a status offense, you're there or you're not, what the impact is on other people is no longer necessary for a court uh appearance.","topics_json":"[\"public_safety\"]","vector_id":"vec_seg_95607_515","created_at":"2026-10-31T07:10:54Z","speaker_name":"Thomas Johnson"},{"id":"seg_95607_516","meeting_id":"95607","media_asset_id":"med_95607_hls_7569e475d5ae1a9d","agenda_item_id":null,"speaker_id":"off_fred_a_neil","speaker_confidence":0.95,"start_sec":9127.56,"end_sec":9134.76,"text":"One comment. Um, I have been working for affordable housing for low and fixed income","topics_json":"[\"housing\"]","vector_id":"vec_seg_95607_516","created_at":"2026-10-31T07:10:54Z","speaker_name":"Fred A. Neil"},{"id":"seg_95607_517","meeting_id":"95607","media_asset_id":"med_95607_hls_7569e475d5ae1a9d","agenda_item_id":null,"speaker_id":"off_fred_a_neil","speaker_confidence":0.95,"start_sec":9094.75,"end_sec":9154.25,"text":"individuals and families since 2004. I would not trust the uh state legislature doing anything of a positive nature for the next two to three or four years. That's how they operate. They don't move with alacrity. They don't have the sense of this. My question is repeat offenders. If you had to use or rely upon the state law, would you be able What would you do to the repeat offenders? Because under your quality of life program that you set up, behavioral uh unit, we have asked repeat offenders for help, offered help, and they have refused. What happens in this incident, which one of these statutes, the state statute or this statute, gives you more ability to offer assistance and to take to remove that individual?","topics_json":"[\"public_safety\"]","vector_id":"vec_seg_95607_517","created_at":"2026-10-31T07:10:54Z","speaker_name":"Fred A. Neil"},{"id":"seg_95607_518","meeting_id":"95607","media_asset_id":"med_95607_hls_7569e475d5ae1a9d","agenda_item_id":null,"speaker_id":"spk_95607_thomas_johnson","speaker_confidence":0.9,"start_sec":9156.75,"end_sec":9201.75,"text":"Council President, I'm not sure either a local ordinance or a state statute would have too much utility for a repeat offender from the very nature of the of the experience that we have now. Um multiple charging documents, they have um the associated fines, fees, and costs depending on whether it's a local law or a state law. Court appearances will occur over and over and over again. Sometimes someone might go into warrant, sometimes they might not. But I'm not sure, honestly, especially on something coming out of Title 21, um that there's much of anything that the courts would ever be able to effectively do um for repeat offenders because","topics_json":"[\"public_safety\"]","vector_id":"vec_seg_95607_518","created_at":"2026-10-31T07:10:54Z","speaker_name":"Thomas Johnson"},{"id":"seg_95607_519","meeting_id":"95607","media_asset_id":"med_95607_hls_7569e475d5ae1a9d","agenda_item_id":null,"speaker_id":"spk_95607_thomas_johnson","speaker_confidence":0.9,"start_sec":9201.75,"end_sec":9228.25,"text":"There is a, um, a philosophy, if you will, about what is worthy of of being incarcerated and what isn't, and in recent years, low-level offenses are not, um, being sent for that kind of accountability. And when you don't have the ability to, uh, pay, um, kind of leads you in that hamster wheel situation where it just, it cycles over and over again, sir.","topics_json":"[\"public_safety\"]","vector_id":"vec_seg_95607_519","created_at":"2026-10-31T07:10:54Z","speaker_name":"Thomas Johnson"},{"id":"seg_95607_52","meeting_id":"95607","media_asset_id":"med_95607_hls_7569e475d5ae1a9d","agenda_item_id":null,"speaker_id":"spk_95607_city_clerk","speaker_confidence":0.95,"start_sec":668.48,"end_sec":670.48,"text":"Mr. William Faust, Jr.","topics_json":"[]","vector_id":"vec_seg_95607_52","created_at":"2026-10-31T07:10:53Z","speaker_name":null},{"id":"seg_95607_520","meeting_id":"95607","media_asset_id":"med_95607_hls_7569e475d5ae1a9d","agenda_item_id":null,"speaker_id":"off_fred_a_neil","speaker_confidence":0.95,"start_sec":9228.25,"end_sec":9232.75,"text":"Thank you. We have a motion on the floor. Yes, uh, Councilman Sudler.","topics_json":"[]","vector_id":"vec_seg_95607_520","created_at":"2026-10-31T07:10:54Z","speaker_name":"Fred A. Neil"},{"id":"seg_95607_521","meeting_id":"95607","media_asset_id":"med_95607_hls_7569e475d5ae1a9d","agenda_item_id":null,"speaker_id":"off_roy_sudler_jr","speaker_confidence":0.95,"start_sec":9232.75,"end_sec":9305.75,"text":"I think my final remarks is, you know, um, when these individuals who we, uh, are trying to help, compassion care, right? Um, when we usher them off or they get a lot of fines, how will that, will that sort of impede upon them in the future, like once once they have, um, hurdled over their challenges and obstacles in life and and become a little bit more productive citizen to the point where, you know, they want to do some, you know, some, some, maybe get better housing or maybe get credit or maybe do anything that, you know, looks at their debts, like someone brought up earlier, I think we have to keep in mind that that could impede upon them progressing in life, which could also have them to relapse. So, I think that that's the compassion component of governing our our, um, you know, all right, the governing component of governing our constituents and our, um, municipalities and how we do things. We have to have some type of compassion there. So, I just wanted to bring That just came to my mind. I just wanted to say that, what was on my mind. Thank you.","topics_json":"[\"housing\",\"homelessness\",\"public_safety\"]","vector_id":"vec_seg_95607_521","created_at":"2026-10-31T07:10:54Z","speaker_name":"Roy Sudler, Jr."},{"id":"seg_95607_522","meeting_id":"95607","media_asset_id":"med_95607_hls_7569e475d5ae1a9d","agenda_item_id":null,"speaker_id":"off_fred_a_neil","speaker_confidence":0.95,"start_sec":9305.75,"end_sec":9308.75,"text":"We... Yes.","topics_json":"[]","vector_id":"vec_seg_95607_522","created_at":"2026-10-31T07:10:54Z","speaker_name":"Fred A. Neil"},{"id":"seg_95607_523","meeting_id":"95607","media_asset_id":"med_95607_hls_7569e475d5ae1a9d","agenda_item_id":null,"speaker_id":"spk_95607_city_staff","speaker_confidence":0.85,"start_sec":9310.15,"end_sec":9352.75,"text":"I just, um, Dr. Sudler, for your um in in furtherance of that point that you just made, um I would suggest to you that if a pending case is at the local level, we have more discretion and more control over the outcomes that you're talking about as opposed to something that's formally on file in the state system. Um so, it hadn't occurred to me until you just said what you said that that might be a reason that I hadn't thought of before to allow us to have a local ability to address it with a local ordinance that we have more control over uh than a state statute that we do not once it's put into the system. Thank you.","topics_json":"[\"public_safety\"]","vector_id":"vec_seg_95607_523","created_at":"2026-10-31T07:10:54Z","speaker_name":null},{"id":"seg_95607_524","meeting_id":"95607","media_asset_id":"med_95607_hls_7569e475d5ae1a9d","agenda_item_id":null,"speaker_id":"off_fred_a_neil","speaker_confidence":0.95,"start_sec":9354.15,"end_sec":9355.55,"text":"Councilman Rocha.","topics_json":"[]","vector_id":"vec_seg_95607_524","created_at":"2026-10-31T07:10:54Z","speaker_name":"Fred A. Neil"},{"id":"seg_95607_525","meeting_id":"95607","media_asset_id":"med_95607_hls_7569e475d5ae1a9d","agenda_item_id":null,"speaker_id":"off_gerald_l_rocha_sr","speaker_confidence":0.95,"start_sec":9356.45,"end_sec":9418.55,"text":"Thank you, uh, Council President. Uh, Chief, one one more question. Um, can you explain what the state statute is in Title 21 in reference to jaywalking, and is there any part of the jaywalking law that can be used in this instance?","topics_json":"[\"public_safety\"]","vector_id":"vec_seg_95607_525","created_at":"2026-10-31T07:10:54Z","speaker_name":"Gerald L. Rocha, Sr."},{"id":"seg_95607_526","meeting_id":"95607","media_asset_id":"med_95607_hls_7569e475d5ae1a9d","agenda_item_id":null,"speaker_id":"spk_95607_thomas_johnson","speaker_confidence":0.9,"start_sec":9420.55,"end_sec":9434.45,"text":"I think I have it. It's it's uh 21 Delaware Code 4143 requires pedestrians to cross at crosswalks. It's entitled \"Crossing at other than crosswalks.\"","topics_json":"[\"public_safety\"]","vector_id":"vec_seg_95607_526","created_at":"2026-10-31T07:10:54Z","speaker_name":"Thomas Johnson"},{"id":"seg_95607_527","meeting_id":"95607","media_asset_id":"med_95607_hls_7569e475d5ae1a9d","agenda_item_id":null,"speaker_id":"spk_95607_city_staff","speaker_confidence":0.85,"start_sec":9439.35,"end_sec":9455.75,"text":"And And to extend on that, the idea that jaywalking is designed to address mid-block crossing of the street. Um the issue that we're addressing here is individuals that did that do not complete the act of crossing the street and maintain a position","topics_json":"[\"public_safety\"]","vector_id":"vec_seg_95607_527","created_at":"2026-10-31T07:10:54Z","speaker_name":null},{"id":"seg_95607_528","meeting_id":"95607","media_asset_id":"med_95607_hls_7569e475d5ae1a9d","agenda_item_id":null,"speaker_id":"spk_95607_thomas_johnson","speaker_confidence":0.9,"start_sec":9415.75,"end_sec":9466.15,"text":"in a place that isn't neatly covered by the other sections, I believe. One of the sections that was mentioned was walking along a highway. The inference there is the highway is the actual road surface. So if you're very good at staying on the median strip, by technical definition, you're not on the highway. And and this is why I've been it's just there's so much nuance into all these sections, sir, that it's not like we don't want to do this. If we if we thought we had standing to use what was already available to us, we'd be doing it. We're just trying to follow the very specific letter of the law either as it's written or as we're trained to understand it by the system itself.","topics_json":"[\"public_safety\"]","vector_id":"vec_seg_95607_528","created_at":"2026-10-31T07:10:54Z","speaker_name":"Thomas Johnson"},{"id":"seg_95607_529","meeting_id":"95607","media_asset_id":"med_95607_hls_7569e475d5ae1a9d","agenda_item_id":null,"speaker_id":"off_andre_m_boggerty","speaker_confidence":0.9,"start_sec":9466.15,"end_sec":9480.45,"text":"Understood. Um and and this ordinance gives you the authority to do what you think you needed to do to protect the safety of the pedestrians?","topics_json":"[\"public_safety\"]","vector_id":"vec_seg_95607_529","created_at":"2026-10-31T07:10:54Z","speaker_name":"Andre M. Boggerty"},{"id":"seg_95607_53","meeting_id":"95607","media_asset_id":"med_95607_hls_7569e475d5ae1a9d","agenda_item_id":null,"speaker_id":"spk_95607_william_faust_jr","speaker_confidence":0.95,"start_sec":675.98,"end_sec":748.98,"text":"William Faust, Dover, Delaware. I've been to these council meetings for two years. Let's talk facts. Two years ago, the chief of police said we had approximately 40 uh encampments for homeless. No one on this council did much of anything to correct the situation. Two, let's talk facts: How many police reports have been written of someone complaining citizen or a merchant? How many emails, how many, for the two years, how many emails, how many calls to City Hall about the past two years about the median strip and panhandling? Let's talk facts: Where are this information? It's by computer you should be able to get it. Uh I think it was Ms. Mauck said uh Wilmington had put up fences on the median strip to prevent jaywalking and people uh begging for uh money. It saves lives. Let's be prudent. Let's put up fences to protect the people. This way we're not taking resources from our police department to shoo people away. A fence on the median strip will save lives. My question is this: if this council","topics_json":"[\"homelessness\",\"public_safety\"]","vector_id":"vec_seg_95607_53","created_at":"2026-10-31T07:10:53Z","speaker_name":"William Faust Jr."},{"id":"seg_95607_530","meeting_id":"95607","media_asset_id":"med_95607_hls_7569e475d5ae1a9d","agenda_item_id":null,"speaker_id":"spk_95607_thomas_johnson","speaker_confidence":0.9,"start_sec":9480.45,"end_sec":9522.75,"text":"Sir, as I mentioned during Council Committee of the Whole, that is 100% our entire focus. Our focus is the safety component. I'm only interested in stopping injuries. I'm only interested in stopping motor vehicle collisions related to these persistent conditions. Beyond that, we also have the obligation to stand for the protected activities including First Amendment protected activities. So this is in our view this is not about panhandling. It's about whoever we would come and find in the middle of the roadway. And that includes somebody wearing a football jersey,","topics_json":"[\"public_safety\"]","vector_id":"vec_seg_95607_530","created_at":"2026-10-31T07:10:54Z","speaker_name":"Thomas Johnson"},{"id":"seg_95607_531","meeting_id":"95607","media_asset_id":"med_95607_hls_7569e475d5ae1a9d","agenda_item_id":null,"speaker_id":"spk_95607_thomas_johnson","speaker_confidence":0.95,"start_sec":9522.74,"end_sec":9537.24,"text":"holding out a bucket because they're they're trying to raise funds for the club or whatever it is that they're doing. Um, it doesn't matter what uh we perceived them to be. If it's a person and they're where they're not supposed to be, that's our only interest.","topics_json":"[\"public_safety\"]","vector_id":"vec_seg_95607_531","created_at":"2026-10-31T07:10:54Z","speaker_name":"Thomas Johnson"},{"id":"seg_95607_532","meeting_id":"95607","media_asset_id":"med_95607_hls_7569e475d5ae1a9d","agenda_item_id":null,"speaker_id":"off_gerald_l_rocha_sr","speaker_confidence":0.95,"start_sec":9538.34,"end_sec":9542.04,"text":"Thank you, Chief. Uh at this time I I I yield.","topics_json":"[]","vector_id":"vec_seg_95607_532","created_at":"2026-10-31T07:10:54Z","speaker_name":"Gerald L. Rocha, Sr."},{"id":"seg_95607_533","meeting_id":"95607","media_asset_id":"med_95607_hls_7569e475d5ae1a9d","agenda_item_id":null,"speaker_id":"off_fred_a_neil","speaker_confidence":0.95,"start_sec":9542.54,"end_sec":9549.04,"text":"Councilman Rocha. Pardon me, Dr. Sudler, Councilperson. What, I did that I did that twice today.","topics_json":"[]","vector_id":"vec_seg_95607_533","created_at":"2026-10-31T07:10:54Z","speaker_name":"Fred A. Neil"},{"id":"seg_95607_534","meeting_id":"95607","media_asset_id":"med_95607_hls_7569e475d5ae1a9d","agenda_item_id":null,"speaker_id":"off_roy_sudler_jr","speaker_confidence":0.95,"start_sec":9549.14,"end_sec":9551.34,"text":"That's okay. You're not you didn't, Dr. You're all right.","topics_json":"[]","vector_id":"vec_seg_95607_534","created_at":"2026-10-31T07:10:54Z","speaker_name":"Roy Sudler, Jr."},{"id":"seg_95607_535","meeting_id":"95607","media_asset_id":"med_95607_hls_7569e475d5ae1a9d","agenda_item_id":null,"speaker_id":"off_roy_sudler_jr","speaker_confidence":0.95,"start_sec":9551.64,"end_sec":9643.94,"text":"Um, before um I ask this question or ask this individual to to approach the podium, I'm only seeking additional knowledge um and additional dialogue from an individual that, you know, has played multiple roles uh um from mayor to chief to council person. So just seeking knowledge, not not um trying to diminish any information that was provided. So um at this point, I would like to hear from former Mayor Hutchison just to give us of of some view. He's been sitting here and he has a lot of knowledge in all domains uh a viewpoint of um what we may need to look at um from his expertise and knowledge. Just reach him back into his archives of knowledge, if you don't mind.","topics_json":"[\"public_safety\"]","vector_id":"vec_seg_95607_535","created_at":"2026-10-31T07:10:54Z","speaker_name":"Roy Sudler, Jr."},{"id":"seg_95607_536","meeting_id":"95607","media_asset_id":"med_95607_hls_7569e475d5ae1a9d","agenda_item_id":null,"speaker_id":"spk_95607_carleton_e_hutchison","speaker_confidence":0.95,"start_sec":9644.04,"end_sec":9645.64,"text":"First, thank you very much.","topics_json":"[]","vector_id":"vec_seg_95607_536","created_at":"2026-10-31T07:10:54Z","speaker_name":"Carleton E. Hutchison"},{"id":"seg_95607_537","meeting_id":"95607","media_asset_id":"med_95607_hls_7569e475d5ae1a9d","agenda_item_id":null,"speaker_id":"off_fred_a_neil","speaker_confidence":0.9,"start_sec":9645.74,"end_sec":9646.74,"text":"Welcome back.","topics_json":"[]","vector_id":"vec_seg_95607_537","created_at":"2026-10-31T07:10:54Z","speaker_name":"Fred A. Neil"},{"id":"seg_95607_538","meeting_id":"95607","media_asset_id":"med_95607_hls_7569e475d5ae1a9d","agenda_item_id":null,"speaker_id":"spk_95607_carleton_e_hutchison","speaker_confidence":0.95,"start_sec":9646.94,"end_sec":9669.74,"text":"Um, I think it's very important to listen to what the Chief just said. The local ordinance gives the City of Dover, the police department, a lot of flexibility. State law goes up to the next level. When I and I I listened to all the questions and your concerns to re-","topics_json":"[\"public_safety\"]","vector_id":"vec_seg_95607_538","created_at":"2026-10-31T07:10:54Z","speaker_name":"Carleton E. 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I'm not against uh helping the poor or panhandlers. Some people need help, have to be forced to have have help. But let's show the statistics. Show the facts. Just saying, \"Oh, it's election year and someone's trying to get votes\" is wrong. Show me the proof that this situation's occurred. How many people from Loockerman merchants have filed police reports? How many people have called City Hall? This should all be available and be able to be told like this. Can we hear that tonight? Do we have these statistics? If not, you cannot vote on this bill. You have not done your homework. Show us the proof. Show us the evidence. Two years is not asking too much. This homeless situation didn't pop up overnight. It's not going to be corrected overnight. And criminal activities, putting a sign underneath of strictly enforced, the criminals are not going to listen to it, they're going to laugh at it. The citizens that pay their taxes and do the right thing are going to do the best thing. If you do not clean the uh element from what would be like the prostitution, the drugs, uh people homeless, it's only going to bring more criminal activity into our state, I mean into our city, and it's going to spread farther.","topics_json":"[\"homelessness\",\"public_safety\",\"taxes\"]","vector_id":"vec_seg_95607_54","created_at":"2026-10-31T07:10:53Z","speaker_name":null},{"id":"seg_95607_540","meeting_id":"95607","media_asset_id":"med_95607_hls_7569e475d5ae1a9d","agenda_item_id":null,"speaker_id":"off_robin_r_christiansen","speaker_confidence":0.95,"start_sec":9634.24,"end_sec":9641.14,"text":"This ordinance will allow the City of Dover Police Department to address the issue,","topics_json":"[\"public_safety\"]","vector_id":"vec_seg_95607_540","created_at":"2026-10-31T07:10:54Z","speaker_name":"Robin R. 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These are people who have mental health issues, who have drug addiction, alcoholism, in so many minor ways. So I I value what all of you have said tonight, but I would hope that you would reconsider, give the chief and the department and the mayor the opportunity to be able to address this publication, because this is a public safety issue, and I urge you to pass it. Thank you.","topics_json":"[\"public_safety\",\"homelessness\"]","vector_id":"vec_seg_95607_554","created_at":"2026-10-31T07:10:54Z","speaker_name":null},{"id":"seg_95607_555","meeting_id":"95607","media_asset_id":"med_95607_hls_7569e475d5ae1a9d","agenda_item_id":null,"speaker_id":"off_fred_a_neil","speaker_confidence":0.95,"start_sec":9790.74,"end_sec":9792.24,"text":"Thank you.","topics_json":"[]","vector_id":"vec_seg_95607_555","created_at":"2026-10-31T07:10:54Z","speaker_name":"Fred A. 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Dr. Sudler, I have just made the request that a person from DelDOT, if they choose to come forward, and I will certainly keep Council in the loop to keep it aboveboard so that there's no no doubt in anyone's mind whether that's on the council or in the public that the request was made and it's DelDOT's responsibility. And I will call Dr. Secretary Hastings in the morning if it's the will and order of Council for me to do so.","topics_json":"[\"public_safety\"]","vector_id":"vec_seg_95607_568","created_at":"2026-10-31T07:10:55Z","speaker_name":"Robin R. Christiansen"},{"id":"seg_95607_569","meeting_id":"95607","media_asset_id":"med_95607_hls_7569e475d5ae1a9d","agenda_item_id":null,"speaker_id":"off_fred_a_neil","speaker_confidence":0.95,"start_sec":9967.33,"end_sec":9977.23,"text":"Would would you Can I ask the solicitor the question? 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But I The motion is for the city solicitor to reach out and get feedback either via a report, or they come to council on their view in regards to the median and if there, you know, any discussion or anything pertaining to legislation that might be drafted. That's if they want to share it, you know, but there's nothing wrong with asking. If they don't want to do that, that's just fine. 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I'm just going to withdraw my motion, and um I'm just going to withdraw the motion.","topics_json":"[]","vector_id":"vec_seg_95607_583","created_at":"2026-10-31T07:10:55Z","speaker_name":"Roy Sudler, Jr."},{"id":"seg_95607_584","meeting_id":"95607","media_asset_id":"med_95607_hls_7569e475d5ae1a9d","agenda_item_id":null,"speaker_id":"spk_95607_andria_bennett","speaker_confidence":0.9,"start_sec":10170.23,"end_sec":10171.53,"text":"Is your second amenable?","topics_json":"[]","vector_id":"vec_seg_95607_584","created_at":"2026-10-31T07:10:55Z","speaker_name":"Andria Bennett"},{"id":"seg_95607_585","meeting_id":"95607","media_asset_id":"med_95607_hls_7569e475d5ae1a9d","agenda_item_id":null,"speaker_id":"spk_95607_andria_bennett","speaker_confidence":0.9,"start_sec":10172.53,"end_sec":10173.83,"text":"Is she amenable?","topics_json":"[]","vector_id":"vec_seg_95607_585","created_at":"2026-10-31T07:10:55Z","speaker_name":"Andria Bennett"},{"id":"seg_95607_586","meeting_id":"95607","media_asset_id":"med_95607_hls_7569e475d5ae1a9d","agenda_item_id":null,"speaker_id":"off_tricia_k_arndt","speaker_confidence":0.9,"start_sec":10173.83,"end_sec":10174.93,"text":"I'll withdraw my second.","topics_json":"[]","vector_id":"vec_seg_95607_586","created_at":"2026-10-31T07:10:55Z","speaker_name":"Tricia K. Arndt"},{"id":"seg_95607_587","meeting_id":"95607","media_asset_id":"med_95607_hls_7569e475d5ae1a9d","agenda_item_id":null,"speaker_id":"off_fred_a_neil","speaker_confidence":0.95,"start_sec":10174.93,"end_sec":10188.03,"text":"Thanks. Council Councilwoman Hall? Oh, you did have the second. Okay. Uh it's been it's with withdrew it's withdrawn. We we now still have in front of us, uh, do we need to have a a voice vote then?","topics_json":"[]","vector_id":"vec_seg_95607_587","created_at":"2026-10-31T07:10:55Z","speaker_name":"Fred A. Neil"},{"id":"seg_95607_588","meeting_id":"95607","media_asset_id":"med_95607_hls_7569e475d5ae1a9d","agenda_item_id":null,"speaker_id":"spk_95607_andria_bennett","speaker_confidence":0.9,"start_sec":10188.03,"end_sec":10190.03,"text":"It's just for first reading, we just read.","topics_json":"[]","vector_id":"vec_seg_95607_588","created_at":"2026-10-31T07:10:55Z","speaker_name":"Andria Bennett"},{"id":"seg_95607_589","meeting_id":"95607","media_asset_id":"med_95607_hls_7569e475d5ae1a9d","agenda_item_id":null,"speaker_id":"off_fred_a_neil","speaker_confidence":0.95,"start_sec":10190.03,"end_sec":10192.13,"text":"First reading. We just have first reading basically.","topics_json":"[]","vector_id":"vec_seg_95607_589","created_at":"2026-10-31T07:10:55Z","speaker_name":"Fred A. Neil"},{"id":"seg_95607_59","meeting_id":"95607","media_asset_id":"med_95607_hls_7569e475d5ae1a9d","agenda_item_id":null,"speaker_id":"spk_95607_david_lewis","speaker_confidence":0.95,"start_sec":881.48,"end_sec":962.98,"text":"Thank you. David Lewis, 17 Oakmont, Dover, Delaware. I'm a lifelong Doverite, born and raised on New Street and Governors Avenue. I've seen good, I've seen the bad. We started out several years ago with some laws trying to be passed on panhandling at Wawas, 7-Elevens, all these businesses. And what we've done, we pushed that, we pushed the panhandlers off Loockerman Street to the intersections. That's where they had to go, there's nowhere else, but we pushed them out of the city of Dover, out of the doorways of Wawa, which is justified. They should, you know, panhandlers shouldn't be, as you go out of the store, being hustled and harassed. But what are we going to do for these people? Because this problem, if we push it off the intersection, where is it going to go? Where are they going to go next? Now that's my question. We need to do as as a group, as a as a whole, to help the people, the people of Dover, panhandlers. That's what you all are up here for, is to do that. You know, a lot of them, I guarantee you, all of them aren't homeless, all of them aren't poor, but they are—","topics_json":"[\"homelessness\",\"public_safety\",\"business\"]","vector_id":"vec_seg_95607_59","created_at":"2026-10-31T07:10:53Z","speaker_name":"David Lewis"},{"id":"seg_95607_590","meeting_id":"95607","media_asset_id":"med_95607_hls_7569e475d5ae1a9d","agenda_item_id":null,"speaker_id":"spk_95607_andria_bennett","speaker_confidence":0.9,"start_sec":10192.13,"end_sec":10193.73,"text":"So you're over here.","topics_json":"[]","vector_id":"vec_seg_95607_590","created_at":"2026-10-31T07:10:55Z","speaker_name":"Andria Bennett"},{"id":"seg_95607_591","meeting_id":"95607","media_asset_id":"med_95607_hls_7569e475d5ae1a9d","agenda_item_id":null,"speaker_id":"off_fred_a_neil","speaker_confidence":0.95,"start_sec":10193.73,"end_sec":10204.73,"text":"No further questions, no further questions, debate's on the amendment. I now defer to Madam Clerk Bennett for the introduction of the ordinance in accordance to Section 1-9 of the Dover Code.","topics_json":"[]","vector_id":"vec_seg_95607_591","created_at":"2026-10-31T07:10:55Z","speaker_name":"Fred A. Neil"},{"id":"seg_95607_592","meeting_id":"95607","media_asset_id":"med_95607_hls_7569e475d5ae1a9d","agenda_item_id":null,"speaker_id":"off_fred_a_neil","speaker_confidence":0.95,"start_sec":10164.73,"end_sec":10172.81,"text":"and I want to make the point this is coming up again for public comment when we vote in in January.","topics_json":"[]","vector_id":"vec_seg_95607_592","created_at":"2026-10-31T07:10:55Z","speaker_name":"Fred A. Neil"},{"id":"seg_95607_593","meeting_id":"95607","media_asset_id":"med_95607_hls_7569e475d5ae1a9d","agenda_item_id":null,"speaker_id":"spk_95607_city_clerk","speaker_confidence":0.95,"start_sec":10172.81,"end_sec":10173.9,"text":"The 12th.","topics_json":"[]","vector_id":"vec_seg_95607_593","created_at":"2026-10-31T07:10:55Z","speaker_name":null},{"id":"seg_95607_594","meeting_id":"95607","media_asset_id":"med_95607_hls_7569e475d5ae1a9d","agenda_item_id":null,"speaker_id":"off_fred_a_neil","speaker_confidence":0.9,"start_sec":10173.9,"end_sec":10174.76,"text":"All right.","topics_json":"[]","vector_id":"vec_seg_95607_594","created_at":"2026-10-31T07:10:55Z","speaker_name":"Fred A. Neil"},{"id":"seg_95607_595","meeting_id":"95607","media_asset_id":"med_95607_hls_7569e475d5ae1a9d","agenda_item_id":null,"speaker_id":"spk_95607_city_clerk","speaker_confidence":0.95,"start_sec":10174.76,"end_sec":10197.28,"text":"Um, there's no action at this time. Ordinance 2025-21, amending chapter 106, traffic and vehicles, article three, stopping, standing, and parking, by adding section 106-139, pedestrian safety. This constitutes the first reading, the final reading is scheduled to take place on January 12th, 2026.","topics_json":"[\"public_safety\"]","vector_id":"vec_seg_95607_595","created_at":"2026-10-31T07:10:55Z","speaker_name":null},{"id":"seg_95607_596","meeting_id":"95607","media_asset_id":"med_95607_hls_7569e475d5ae1a9d","agenda_item_id":null,"speaker_id":"off_fred_a_neil","speaker_confidence":0.95,"start_sec":10197.28,"end_sec":10213.06,"text":"Okay. We now go back to item 22, Infrastructure Modernization Project, Joe Simmons, IT Director. We could've had you in and out of here before. What took, took the time. Joe, we welcome you.","topics_json":"[]","vector_id":"vec_seg_95607_596","created_at":"2026-10-31T07:10:55Z","speaker_name":"Fred A. Neil"},{"id":"seg_95607_597","meeting_id":"95607","media_asset_id":"med_95607_hls_7569e475d5ae1a9d","agenda_item_id":null,"speaker_id":"spk_95607_joe_simmons","speaker_confidence":0.95,"start_sec":10213.06,"end_sec":10271.73,"text":"Thank you, uh, my name is Joe Simmons, the City of Dover IT Director. Uh, first I'd like to apologize, I had to step out for an urgent, um, family matter that I had to take care of, and I, you know, apologize for, um, prolonging this and, uh, having you be here a little longer than you you had to. So, what I'm bringing before, uh, City Council is, uh, the Infrastructure, uh, Modernization Project. Um, I believe back in October 28th, uh, in the committee meeting, um, I briefed the council on, uh, the project, and subsequently in, uh, executive session following, um, briefed the council on, uh, the particulars of the project. Um, the reason I'm coming to you tonight is because, um, a couple things as far as how do we get this project, um, off the","topics_json":"[]","vector_id":"vec_seg_95607_597","created_at":"2026-10-31T07:10:55Z","speaker_name":"Joe Simmons"},{"id":"seg_95607_598","meeting_id":"95607","media_asset_id":"med_95607_hls_7569e475d5ae1a9d","agenda_item_id":null,"speaker_id":"spk_95607_city_staff","speaker_confidence":0.9,"start_sec":10271.72,"end_sec":10283.52,"text":"around and some information that I learned from our vendors that support our need to move judiciously with this process.","topics_json":"[]","vector_id":"vec_seg_95607_598","created_at":"2026-10-31T07:10:55Z","speaker_name":null},{"id":"seg_95607_599","meeting_id":"95607","media_asset_id":"med_95607_hls_7569e475d5ae1a9d","agenda_item_id":null,"speaker_id":"spk_95607_city_staff","speaker_confidence":0.9,"start_sec":10283.52,"end_sec":10320.42,"text":"The first thing, as far as the sole source procurement of it, is protection of confidential system information. As you well know, as we deal with cybersecurity and deal with our infrastructure, there is an element of sensitive information that can be revealed through open-source process, bidding process, as far as architectural, internal systems, certain equipment that we may buy that supports the city operations.","topics_json":"[\"public_safety\"]","vector_id":"vec_seg_95607_599","created_at":"2026-10-31T07:10:55Z","speaker_name":null},{"id":"seg_95607_6","meeting_id":"95607","media_asset_id":"med_95607_hls_7569e475d5ae1a9d","agenda_item_id":null,"speaker_id":"spk_95607_aliesha_martin","speaker_confidence":0.9,"start_sec":122.9,"end_sec":126.1,"text":"Good evening. My name is Aliesha Martin.","topics_json":"[]","vector_id":"vec_seg_95607_6","created_at":"2026-10-31T07:10:53Z","speaker_name":"Aliesha Martin"},{"id":"seg_95607_60","meeting_id":"95607","media_asset_id":"med_95607_hls_7569e475d5ae1a9d","agenda_item_id":null,"speaker_id":"spk_95607_public_commenter","speaker_confidence":0.9,"start_sec":962.97,"end_sec":1063.07,"text":"myself. I know personally a couple that come right out of incarceration this morning, right on the street here in December, 15- 16-degree nights with not a penny in their pocket, not an ID to try to help them to get any help, not knowing where to get help. And that's the other thing I think we could do in Dover is centralize a help center where you put the state, the city, the churches, the the the the organizations that want to help people. I took some guys through Dover, it took me two days to try to get somebody a place to stay and some food because they'd just come out of prison with nothing. Everybody shopped me around, go Catholic Charities, go down here Williams Service Center, go here. Everybody wanted to help, but everybody sent you somewhere else. An open place of something where we can go and get some help, whether it's mental health, addiction help, you know, whatever it is. For these people, no, that can be done. You can't run them around forever and not give them help. You can't push them out of one side and make sure, well, we don't want them on this side. And that's all we're doing. That's all this ordi-, you know, this this new law would do. Where are you going to push them next? You know? Where are they going to go next? I don't, I've had and seen, I mean, I go through Dover twice a day, going to where I work at at senior center in Camden. Governors Avenue, the first block Governors Avenue is a hell of a lot more dangerous than it is out on the highway.","topics_json":"[\"homelessness\",\"public_safety\"]","vector_id":"vec_seg_95607_60","created_at":"2026-10-31T07:10:53Z","speaker_name":null},{"id":"seg_95607_600","meeting_id":"95607","media_asset_id":"med_95607_hls_7569e475d5ae1a9d","agenda_item_id":null,"speaker_id":"spk_95607_city_staff","speaker_confidence":0.9,"start_sec":10320.42,"end_sec":10344.82,"text":"You know, and releasing some of this information to the public might put us in a situation where, you know, we compromise. And, you know, people, trust me, we know that people look at our websites, they investigate the meeting minutes, they bring all that up, and that's how some of the bad actors get information and do their recon on the city.","topics_json":"[\"public_safety\"]","vector_id":"vec_seg_95607_600","created_at":"2026-10-31T07:10:55Z","speaker_name":null},{"id":"seg_95607_601","meeting_id":"95607","media_asset_id":"med_95607_hls_7569e475d5ae1a9d","agenda_item_id":null,"speaker_id":"spk_95607_city_staff","speaker_confidence":0.9,"start_sec":10344.82,"end_sec":10378.72,"text":"Another real key function in this request is that supply chain risks with advanced chips and price escalation. Everybody know in the news with geopolitical issues going on, especially around AI, data centers, things like that, vendors that I communicated with have communicated with me that there's going to be a high probability in the first quarter of—","topics_json":"[\"budget\"]","vector_id":"vec_seg_95607_601","created_at":"2026-10-31T07:10:55Z","speaker_name":null},{"id":"seg_95607_602","meeting_id":"95607","media_asset_id":"med_95607_hls_7569e475d5ae1a9d","agenda_item_id":null,"speaker_id":"spk_95607_city_staff","speaker_confidence":0.9,"start_sec":10378.72,"end_sec":10485.72,"text":"2026, there's just going to be supply and demand issues because of the demand from all the data centers coming online as far as a chip shortage. And also, with that comes with demand, just like regular economics, um you're going to have price increases, um substantial price increases. Um so that may cause a loss of allocations for um the required components that we need, you know. Again, lead times. Um I was uh on with a vendor today, and we talked about the lead times. Usually around 30 to 60 to 90 days for a piece of equipment might go out to 6 to 12 months if this wait is 20- 26. So, uh we're locked into the price um of the uh quote and investment um that I communicated to Council. Um again, um this project's funding is coming from um a cyber security grant that we secured. Uh I believe it's it's almost 90 95% of it's coming from that money. And that grant has a performance period like all grants do. And the performance period um ends in uh fiscal- uh sorry, next year 26. So, we're going to be on a tight tight window if it was a disruption in anyone else getting these uh uh hardwares, security servers, because like you said, the grant funding performance period ends in uh 26. So, that's really kind of like um uh a risk that we take. Another thing we've got to discuss is that","topics_json":"[\"budget\"]","vector_id":"vec_seg_95607_602","created_at":"2026-10-31T07:10:55Z","speaker_name":null},{"id":"seg_95607_603","meeting_id":"95607","media_asset_id":"med_95607_hls_7569e475d5ae1a9d","agenda_item_id":null,"speaker_id":"spk_95607_staff_member","speaker_confidence":0.9,"start_sec":10485.72,"end_sec":10592.72,"text":"you know, our current needs now, why we're going to do this project is to really stabilize our system we have now. Um, and kind of move forward and you know, there's some things that, you know, we can do to improve, far as reliability, um, backups, things like that nature. And that was the whole um, re- rationale for why we got awarded these grants, cuz it would, you know, they've seen there was a need for the city of Dover, for our state partners. Um, and it kind of follows up why we was doing this. You know, put it off as, any longer it kind of puts it at risk. So, so in conclusion, um, sole source procurement is justifiable due to the exclusive vendor capabilities that we have. Um, you know, we're not uh, uh, looking at where there's a whole bunch of manufacturers, like you know, we go in, we can pick between 20 vendors. Um, this is a real small niche, far as, on flash blade storage, SAN. The security aspect of it is that we want to make sure that, you know, things that we do is confidential, and we not putting things out that um, that may cause us risk. The urgent supply chain and the cost risk, like I said, that's significant, far as, uh, what you hear in the news, I know everybody hearing about, you know, uh, whether the chip manufacturer, tariffs, and, and, just geopolitical um, aspects of this project. So, and also, you know, again, we need to maintain our operations and, and, and, and resolve some issues that this brand was uh, originally funded for. So, with that in case, you know, uh, staff recommend that the council approve sole source procurement of a SAN, server, and networking hardware","topics_json":"[\"budget\"]","vector_id":"vec_seg_95607_603","created_at":"2026-10-31T07:10:55Z","speaker_name":null},{"id":"seg_95607_604","meeting_id":"95607","media_asset_id":"med_95607_hls_7569e475d5ae1a9d","agenda_item_id":null,"speaker_id":"spk_95607_city_staff","speaker_confidence":0.9,"start_sec":10592.71,"end_sec":10625.6,"text":"and service for the infrastructure modernization project. That's IT project 26-10, and IT project 26-13 for improvement ability in enhanced cybersecurity protection of the City of Dover's network infrastructure not to exceed $295,000 using the awarded cybersecurity S- C- C- P grant funding in IT service project for IT 24-04.","topics_json":"[\"budget\",\"public_safety\"]","vector_id":"vec_seg_95607_604","created_at":"2026-10-31T07:10:55Z","speaker_name":null},{"id":"seg_95607_605","meeting_id":"95607","media_asset_id":"med_95607_hls_7569e475d5ae1a9d","agenda_item_id":null,"speaker_id":"off_robin_r_christiansen","speaker_confidence":0.95,"start_sec":10625.98,"end_sec":10628.51,"text":"Uh Councilman uh Lewis.","topics_json":"[]","vector_id":"vec_seg_95607_605","created_at":"2026-10-31T07:10:55Z","speaker_name":"Robin R. Christiansen"},{"id":"seg_95607_606","meeting_id":"95607","media_asset_id":"med_95607_hls_7569e475d5ae1a9d","agenda_item_id":null,"speaker_id":"spk_95607_unknown_speaker","speaker_confidence":0.7,"start_sec":10629.28,"end_sec":10630.62,"text":"You had your hands up.","topics_json":"[]","vector_id":"vec_seg_95607_606","created_at":"2026-10-31T07:10:55Z","speaker_name":null},{"id":"seg_95607_607","meeting_id":"95607","media_asset_id":"med_95607_hls_7569e475d5ae1a9d","agenda_item_id":null,"speaker_id":"off_brian_e_lewis","speaker_confidence":0.95,"start_sec":10631.74,"end_sec":10697.74,"text":"Um good evening. I have a question uh with respect to uh I have your action form right here, and uh my question is how does it how does it qualify as sole source of procurement? Because I looked up the uh City of Dover purchasing policy and procedures, and uh section six, exceptions, it states sole source procurement is not permissible unless a requirement is available from only a single supplier manufacturer. Um it goes on to say, \"The following are examples of circumstances which could necessitate sole source procurement. Uh a, where the compatibility of equipment, accessories, uh, or replacement parts is the uh paramount consideration. Um then b, where the sole supplier item is needed for trial use or testing.\" That's my first question. My second question is, who's this being awarded to? Awarded to whom?","topics_json":"[\"budget\"]","vector_id":"vec_seg_95607_607","created_at":"2026-10-31T07:10:55Z","speaker_name":"Brian E. Lewis"},{"id":"seg_95607_608","meeting_id":"95607","media_asset_id":"med_95607_hls_7569e475d5ae1a9d","agenda_item_id":null,"speaker_id":"spk_95607_city_staff","speaker_confidence":0.9,"start_sec":10697.86,"end_sec":10699.71,"text":"Okay. So, to answer your first question,","topics_json":"[]","vector_id":"vec_seg_95607_608","created_at":"2026-10-31T07:10:55Z","speaker_name":null},{"id":"seg_95607_609","meeting_id":"95607","media_asset_id":"med_95607_hls_7569e475d5ae1a9d","agenda_item_id":null,"speaker_id":"spk_95607_staff","speaker_confidence":0.9,"start_sec":10699.71,"end_sec":10757.81,"text":"question, I think that when I talked about the, um, the lead times and the scarcity of the, um, servers for, uh, fiscal year '26 falls under that category as far as, um, uh, uh, uh, product availability. Um, I think also that, um, I checked with DEMA, that this grant this grant also falls under state procurement, and within the state procurement policy, you can, uh, do sole source for emergency, uh, situations. And again, this funding derived out of an emergency situation, uh, for the, uh, that was deemed by the state of Delaware and DEMA. That's the whole reason for the for the grant. So, I think we're covered, and like I said, if you want to have a, you know, a legal review, have no problem with that, but I think this does fall under both occasions from the state and as far as, um, the city's policy.","topics_json":"[\"budget\"]","vector_id":"vec_seg_95607_609","created_at":"2026-10-31T07:10:55Z","speaker_name":null},{"id":"seg_95607_61","meeting_id":"95607","media_asset_id":"med_95607_hls_7569e475d5ae1a9d","agenda_item_id":null,"speaker_id":"off_roy_sudler_jr","speaker_confidence":0.95,"start_sec":1063.07,"end_sec":1064.47,"text":"Thank you, sir.","topics_json":"[]","vector_id":"vec_seg_95607_61","created_at":"2026-10-31T07:10:53Z","speaker_name":"Roy Sudler, Jr."},{"id":"seg_95607_610","meeting_id":"95607","media_asset_id":"med_95607_hls_7569e475d5ae1a9d","agenda_item_id":null,"speaker_id":"off_brian_e_lewis","speaker_confidence":0.95,"start_sec":10757.81,"end_sec":10805.51,"text":"Yeah, I wouldn't want anybody to do anything, uh, illicit or not by the policy. That's why I bring it to your attention.","topics_json":"[]","vector_id":"vec_seg_95607_610","created_at":"2026-10-31T07:10:55Z","speaker_name":"Brian E. Lewis"},{"id":"seg_95607_611","meeting_id":"95607","media_asset_id":"med_95607_hls_7569e475d5ae1a9d","agenda_item_id":null,"speaker_id":"spk_95607_staff","speaker_confidence":0.9,"start_sec":10805.51,"end_sec":10806.21,"text":"Right.","topics_json":"[]","vector_id":"vec_seg_95607_611","created_at":"2026-10-31T07:10:55Z","speaker_name":null},{"id":"seg_95607_612","meeting_id":"95607","media_asset_id":"med_95607_hls_7569e475d5ae1a9d","agenda_item_id":null,"speaker_id":"off_brian_e_lewis","speaker_confidence":0.95,"start_sec":10806.21,"end_sec":10809.91,"text":"Um, now who's this going to be awarded to?","topics_json":"[]","vector_id":"vec_seg_95607_612","created_at":"2026-10-31T07:10:55Z","speaker_name":"Brian E. 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And finally, I'd like to uh offer a Merry Christmas, uh Happy Hanukkah, Happy Kwanzaa, and a happy, healthy, safe, and proud uh prosperous New Year to all of our citizens, our sit- and our employees.","topics_json":"[]","vector_id":"vec_seg_95607_637","created_at":"2026-10-31T07:10:55Z","speaker_name":"Robin R. Christiansen"},{"id":"seg_95607_638","meeting_id":"95607","media_asset_id":"med_95607_hls_7569e475d5ae1a9d","agenda_item_id":null,"speaker_id":"off_fred_a_neil","speaker_confidence":0.95,"start_sec":10953.7,"end_sec":10959.1,"text":"Hear, hear. Council member announcements. Councilman Anderson.","topics_json":"[]","vector_id":"vec_seg_95607_638","created_at":"2026-10-31T07:10:55Z","speaker_name":"Fred A. Neil"},{"id":"seg_95607_639","meeting_id":"95607","media_asset_id":"med_95607_hls_7569e475d5ae1a9d","agenda_item_id":null,"speaker_id":"off_david_l_anderson","speaker_confidence":0.95,"start_sec":10959.4,"end_sec":11020.7,"text":"Thank you, Mr. President. I also wish everyone a Happy Hanukkah, Merry Christmas, Happy Kwanzaa, Happy New Year. I also uh want to uh point out that at the uh Dashing Through Dover event on the 13th, Toys for Tots uh will be making one of their final collections. So, if anyone has been thinking of and is interested in helping those who uh would most benefit from some Christmas cheer, I'd like to encourage them to bring an item for the Toys for Tots. Even if you don't go to the parade and you don't know another site, please drop in. There's uh and then I would like to say that Mr. Mayor, you uh may need to defend your title, uh because uh you'll hear more in January, but uh the chili cook-off is back again. Took a year off last year,","topics_json":"[]","vector_id":"vec_seg_95607_639","created_at":"2026-10-31T07:10:55Z","speaker_name":"David L. 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This year's um uh beneficiary will be People's Community Center's youth program, who helps the um underprivileged youth in the city, mostly in the Fourth District. And uh because their their their programs are doing great, but the youth program has fallen a little bit short of their budget. And it's uh And so the community should step up to help out and to uh meet those particular needs. And I would just like to uh encourage anyone who wants to help ahead of time, you don't have to wait for January. Please feel free to uh reach out. Thank you very much. I yield, Mr. President.","topics_json":"[\"budget\"]","vector_id":"vec_seg_95607_640","created_at":"2026-10-31T07:10:55Z","speaker_name":"David L. 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I live in Townsend, Delaware.","topics_json":"[]","vector_id":"vec_seg_95607_66","created_at":"2026-10-31T07:10:53Z","speaker_name":"Christopher Beardsley"},{"id":"seg_95607_67","meeting_id":"95607","media_asset_id":"med_95607_hls_7569e475d5ae1a9d","agenda_item_id":null,"speaker_id":"spk_95607_christopher_beardsley","speaker_confidence":0.95,"start_sec":1093.27,"end_sec":1100.07,"text":"The only tragedy that this that we're experiencing right now is that a body is not prioritizing housing for the people.","topics_json":"[\"housing\"]","vector_id":"vec_seg_95607_67","created_at":"2026-10-31T07:10:53Z","speaker_name":"Christopher Beardsley"},{"id":"seg_95607_68","meeting_id":"95607","media_asset_id":"med_95607_hls_7569e475d5ae1a9d","agenda_item_id":null,"speaker_id":"spk_95607_christopher_beardsley","speaker_confidence":0.95,"start_sec":1100.47,"end_sec":1111.67,"text":"My name is Christopher Beardsley, and I'm a candidate for US Senate, speaking against Ordinance 2025-21. Last time I spoke here, I expressed the cruelty and ineffectiveness of this ordinance.","topics_json":"[\"housing\",\"homelessness\"]","vector_id":"vec_seg_95607_68","created_at":"2026-10-31T07:10:53Z","speaker_name":"Christopher Beardsley"},{"id":"seg_95607_69","meeting_id":"95607","media_asset_id":"med_95607_hls_7569e475d5ae1a9d","agenda_item_id":null,"speaker_id":"spk_95607_christopher_beardsley","speaker_confidence":0.95,"start_sec":1112.07,"end_sec":1122.27,"text":"And while this ordinance passed committee, I applaud the five city council members who voted no, which included Mr. Boggerty, Mr. Lewis, Ms. Hall, Ms. Arndt, and Dr. Sudler.","topics_json":"[]","vector_id":"vec_seg_95607_69","created_at":"2026-10-31T07:10:53Z","speaker_name":"Christopher Beardsley"},{"id":"seg_95607_7","meeting_id":"95607","media_asset_id":"med_95607_hls_7569e475d5ae1a9d","agenda_item_id":null,"speaker_id":"spk_95607_aliesha_martin","speaker_confidence":0.85,"start_sec":128,"end_sec":130.3,"text":"Would you like me to spell it for you?","topics_json":"[]","vector_id":"vec_seg_95607_7","created_at":"2026-10-31T07:10:53Z","speaker_name":"Aliesha Martin"},{"id":"seg_95607_70","meeting_id":"95607","media_asset_id":"med_95607_hls_7569e475d5ae1a9d","agenda_item_id":null,"speaker_id":"spk_95607_christopher_beardsley","speaker_confidence":0.95,"start_sec":1122.57,"end_sec":1125.57,"text":"I continue to implore these same council members to vote no again tonight.","topics_json":"[]","vector_id":"vec_seg_95607_70","created_at":"2026-10-31T07:10:53Z","speaker_name":"Christopher Beardsley"},{"id":"seg_95607_71","meeting_id":"95607","media_asset_id":"med_95607_hls_7569e475d5ae1a9d","agenda_item_id":null,"speaker_id":"spk_95607_christopher_beardsley","speaker_confidence":0.95,"start_sec":1126.37,"end_sec":1134.87,"text":"To Mr. Anderson, when I first heard you speak, you pontificated under your own self-aggrandized sense of constitutional 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exist.","topics_json":"[\"housing\",\"homelessness\"]","vector_id":"vec_seg_95607_75","created_at":"2026-10-31T07:10:53Z","speaker_name":"Christopher Beardsley"},{"id":"seg_95607_76","meeting_id":"95607","media_asset_id":"med_95607_hls_7569e475d5ae1a9d","agenda_item_id":null,"speaker_id":"spk_95607_christopher_beardsley","speaker_confidence":0.95,"start_sec":1161.17,"end_sec":1169.37,"text":"This is about alleviating the economic burdens that people are facing by implementing rent rent stabilization, direct rental assistance, and tenant protections.","topics_json":"[\"housing\"]","vector_id":"vec_seg_95607_76","created_at":"2026-10-31T07:10:53Z","speaker_name":"Christopher Beardsley"},{"id":"seg_95607_77","meeting_id":"95607","media_asset_id":"med_95607_hls_7569e475d5ae1a9d","agenda_item_id":null,"speaker_id":"spk_95607_christopher_beardsley","speaker_confidence":0.95,"start_sec":1169.87,"end_sec":1175.47,"text":"All of us are already feeling cost burdens and in making sure our 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If this body does not put housing first, it is putting housing last. I again urge all council members to vote no on this ordinance. Thank you.","topics_json":"[\"housing\",\"homelessness\"]","vector_id":"vec_seg_95607_79","created_at":"2026-10-31T07:10:53Z","speaker_name":null},{"id":"seg_95607_8","meeting_id":"95607","media_asset_id":"med_95607_hls_7569e475d5ae1a9d","agenda_item_id":null,"speaker_id":"off_fred_a_neil","speaker_confidence":0.9,"start_sec":130.6,"end_sec":135.5,"text":"No, we can... we can take care of it. The address would be helpful.","topics_json":"[]","vector_id":"vec_seg_95607_8","created_at":"2026-10-31T07:10:53Z","speaker_name":"Fred A. Neil"},{"id":"seg_95607_80","meeting_id":"95607","media_asset_id":"med_95607_hls_7569e475d5ae1a9d","agenda_item_id":null,"speaker_id":"off_roy_sudler_jr","speaker_confidence":0.95,"start_sec":1192.47,"end_sec":1197.37,"text":"Thank you. Madam Clerk.","topics_json":"[]","vector_id":"vec_seg_95607_80","created_at":"2026-10-31T07:10:53Z","speaker_name":"Roy Sudler, Jr."},{"id":"seg_95607_81","meeting_id":"95607","media_asset_id":"med_95607_hls_7569e475d5ae1a9d","agenda_item_id":null,"speaker_id":"spk_95607_city_clerk","speaker_confidence":0.95,"start_sec":1199.87,"end_sec":1202.37,"text":"Pastor Sheila Lomax.","topics_json":"[]","vector_id":"vec_seg_95607_81","created_at":"2026-10-31T07:10:53Z","speaker_name":null},{"id":"seg_95607_82","meeting_id":"95607","media_asset_id":"med_95607_hls_7569e475d5ae1a9d","agenda_item_id":null,"speaker_id":"spk_95607_pastor_sheila_lomax","speaker_confidence":0.95,"start_sec":1207.47,"end_sec":1209.47,"text":"Good evening, everyone.","topics_json":"[]","vector_id":"vec_seg_95607_82","created_at":"2026-10-31T07:10:53Z","speaker_name":"Pastor Sheila Lomax"},{"id":"seg_95607_83","meeting_id":"95607","media_asset_id":"med_95607_hls_7569e475d5ae1a9d","agenda_item_id":null,"speaker_id":"spk_95607_pastor_sheila_lomax","speaker_confidence":0.95,"start_sec":1210.67,"end_sec":1221.17,"text":"Can I read something from Pastor Leroy? He's working and he asked me to read this for him.","topics_json":"[]","vector_id":"vec_seg_95607_83","created_at":"2026-10-31T07:10:53Z","speaker_name":"Pastor Sheila Lomax"},{"id":"seg_95607_84","meeting_id":"95607","media_asset_id":"med_95607_hls_7569e475d5ae1a9d","agenda_item_id":null,"speaker_id":"spk_95607_pastor_sheila_lomax","speaker_confidence":0.95,"start_sec":1225.87,"end_sec":1283.97,"text":"He says, \"It is disheartening to see so many individuals without shelter while numerous buildings remain vacant. I believe it is crucial for our city leaders to meet the needs of the homeless and to actively seek solutions, rather than merely pushing the issue aside. As representatives of the community, I urge you to remember that the teaching of the Bible, which reminds us to care for the poor, considers the implications of any policies you make pass. They could one day affect you or your loved ones. I sincerely hope you reflect on this matter","topics_json":"[\"homelessness\",\"housing\"]","vector_id":"vec_seg_95607_84","created_at":"2026-10-31T07:10:53Z","speaker_name":"Pastor Sheila Lomax"},{"id":"seg_95607_85","meeting_id":"95607","media_asset_id":"med_95607_hls_7569e475d5ae1a9d","agenda_item_id":null,"speaker_id":"spk_95607_pastor","speaker_confidence":0.9,"start_sec":1283.97,"end_sec":1388.37,"text":"and take mean- meaningful actions to support those in need. And I myself uh I just want to say that um I know that uh they it's sad that things like this happen, but I think that we need to just figure out how how we can solve that problem, because for a personal issue, I had I have a daughter, and she's well off now, but she was homeless. And she didn't want to come home. She wanted to figure it out on her own, and she had three kids. And she had to let two go. Uh the two boys stayed with one of her friends, and she kept her daughter with her at in a shelter. But she had to fight for herself, and she worked hard to get herself out of that situation. And maybe if—and I keep saying it, that we figure it out. It's empty buildings here. It's something that that we can do to to help somebody. And the word of God says we are our brothers and sisters' keepers, so I'm not mad with a soul. I just want all of us to come together and figure out instead of fine—why fine them? They ain't got no money nowhere! So, you know, do something that's going to help, and still keep the people safe. You know? So that's all I have to say, and God love you, and I love you, too.","topics_json":"[\"homelessness\",\"housing\",\"public_safety\"]","vector_id":"vec_seg_95607_85","created_at":"2026-10-31T07:10:53Z","speaker_name":null},{"id":"seg_95607_86","meeting_id":"95607","media_asset_id":"med_95607_hls_7569e475d5ae1a9d","agenda_item_id":null,"speaker_id":"off_fred_a_neil","speaker_confidence":0.95,"start_sec":1388.37,"end_sec":1390.47,"text":"Thank you, Pastor.","topics_json":"[]","vector_id":"vec_seg_95607_86","created_at":"2026-10-31T07:10:53Z","speaker_name":"Fred A. Neil"},{"id":"seg_95607_87","meeting_id":"95607","media_asset_id":"med_95607_hls_7569e475d5ae1a9d","agenda_item_id":null,"speaker_id":"off_fred_a_neil","speaker_confidence":0.95,"start_sec":1392.72,"end_sec":1393.72,"text":"Madam Clerk.","topics_json":"[]","vector_id":"vec_seg_95607_87","created_at":"2026-10-31T07:10:53Z","speaker_name":"Fred A. 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We can have a community day, gather up, see what buildings are useful to rehabilitate and help the homeless and room them. There's ways of doing things. If you want to find people, like I said, we would have to take Anderson and Boggerty's, you know, food gatherings that they have, charge them for each and every meal that they give out to the homeless. Because you want to know what? That's exactly what you're doing to everyone who's driving by who is trying to give them money to do something. Panhandling, standing in the middle of the street, I understand is a safety issue, but you're not directing them off. You're not giving them the idea of, okay, this isn't safe. What you're saying is, oh, you're punishing yourself, let's punish you even more, so let's slap you with this, let's slap you with a a fine, let's slap you with a warning, let's slap you with this. They're going to keep going back to the same place, and they're still going to put themselves in more and more debt than the people that are in prison that come out that have nothing. We need to help them. We need to find a way in agreements with everyone on council","topics_json":"[\"homelessness\",\"housing\",\"public_safety\"]","vector_id":"vec_seg_95607_89","created_at":"2026-10-31T07:10:53Z","speaker_name":"Belinda Mayne"},{"id":"seg_95607_9","meeting_id":"95607","media_asset_id":"med_95607_hls_7569e475d5ae1a9d","agenda_item_id":null,"speaker_id":"spk_95607_city_clerk","speaker_confidence":0.85,"start_sec":131,"end_sec":132.8,"text":"We have it on the paper.","topics_json":"[]","vector_id":"vec_seg_95607_9","created_at":"2026-10-31T07:10:53Z","speaker_name":null},{"id":"seg_95607_90","meeting_id":"95607","media_asset_id":"med_95607_hls_7569e475d5ae1a9d","agenda_item_id":null,"speaker_id":"spk_95607_public_commenter","speaker_confidence":0.95,"start_sec":1497.96,"end_sec":1505.98,"text":"And not just vote for this ordinance to go, \"Okay, let's punish those who are already being punished.\" We need to help the punished.","topics_json":"[\"homelessness\",\"public_safety\"]","vector_id":"vec_seg_95607_90","created_at":"2026-10-31T07:10:53Z","speaker_name":null},{"id":"seg_95607_91","meeting_id":"95607","media_asset_id":"med_95607_hls_7569e475d5ae1a9d","agenda_item_id":null,"speaker_id":"spk_95607_public_commenter","speaker_confidence":0.95,"start_sec":1507.13,"end_sec":1516.23,"text":"And like I said, you guys are God-fearing people. So am I. God gives us what we need, but God did not give them this issue that they cannot deal with.","topics_json":"[\"homelessness\"]","vector_id":"vec_seg_95607_91","created_at":"2026-10-31T07:10:53Z","speaker_name":null},{"id":"seg_95607_92","meeting_id":"95607","media_asset_id":"med_95607_hls_7569e475d5ae1a9d","agenda_item_id":null,"speaker_id":"spk_95607_public_commenter","speaker_confidence":0.95,"start_sec":1517.29,"end_sec":1526.14,"text":"This is people in families. This is people that have lost. This is people that have done things wrong that are trying to correct themselves, and all we're doing is slapping them down.","topics_json":"[\"homelessness\"]","vector_id":"vec_seg_95607_92","created_at":"2026-10-31T07:10:53Z","speaker_name":null},{"id":"seg_95607_93","meeting_id":"95607","media_asset_id":"med_95607_hls_7569e475d5ae1a9d","agenda_item_id":null,"speaker_id":"spk_95607_public_commenter","speaker_confidence":0.95,"start_sec":1527.31,"end_sec":1543.65,"text":"The homeless people, you say you give out, um, what do you call them? Sleeping bags. Do you give them tents so they can build their own little community? No, you guys kick them out of there. You guys kick them out of any little community area that they try to get out of people's way.","topics_json":"[\"homelessness\"]","vector_id":"vec_seg_95607_93","created_at":"2026-10-31T07:10:53Z","speaker_name":null},{"id":"seg_95607_94","meeting_id":"95607","media_asset_id":"med_95607_hls_7569e475d5ae1a9d","agenda_item_id":null,"speaker_id":"spk_95607_public_commenter","speaker_confidence":0.95,"start_sec":1545.01,"end_sec":1552.45,"text":"They might not know better, and some of them do, but they need help. They're not going to ask for it because that's pushing their pride down just a little bit.","topics_json":"[\"homelessness\"]","vector_id":"vec_seg_95607_94","created_at":"2026-10-31T07:10:53Z","speaker_name":null},{"id":"seg_95607_95","meeting_id":"95607","media_asset_id":"med_95607_hls_7569e475d5ae1a9d","agenda_item_id":null,"speaker_id":"spk_95607_public_commenter","speaker_confidence":0.95,"start_sec":1553.45,"end_sec":1559.23,"text":"So we need to push our pride and say, \"You want to know what? You do need help, and this is what we're willing to do for you.\"","topics_json":"[\"homelessness\"]","vector_id":"vec_seg_95607_95","created_at":"2026-10-31T07:10:53Z","speaker_name":null},{"id":"seg_95607_96","meeting_id":"95607","media_asset_id":"med_95607_hls_7569e475d5ae1a9d","agenda_item_id":null,"speaker_id":"spk_95607_public_commenter","speaker_confidence":0.95,"start_sec":1560.43,"end_sec":1566.28,"text":"And as Mr. Lewis back there said, we need to centralize an area of where everybody can be helped.","topics_json":"[\"homelessness\"]","vector_id":"vec_seg_95607_96","created_at":"2026-10-31T07:10:53Z","speaker_name":null},{"id":"seg_95607_97","meeting_id":"95607","media_asset_id":"med_95607_hls_7569e475d5ae1a9d","agenda_item_id":null,"speaker_id":"spk_95607_public_commenter","speaker_confidence":0.95,"start_sec":1567.31,"end_sec":1577.25,"text":"Not just one service here, one halfway across town, one over here, and then you go there and say, \"Oh, well, we can't help you, but you need to go across town, and maybe that—maybe those people over there can help you.\"","topics_json":"[\"homelessness\"]","vector_id":"vec_seg_95607_97","created_at":"2026-10-31T07:10:53Z","speaker_name":null},{"id":"seg_95607_98","meeting_id":"95607","media_asset_id":"med_95607_hls_7569e475d5ae1a9d","agenda_item_id":null,"speaker_id":"spk_95607_public_commenter","speaker_confidence":0.95,"start_sec":1578.25,"end_sec":1581.7,"text":"How about the community and council get together?","topics_json":"[\"homelessness\"]","vector_id":"vec_seg_95607_98","created_at":"2026-10-31T07:10:53Z","speaker_name":null},{"id":"seg_95607_99","meeting_id":"95607","media_asset_id":"med_95607_hls_7569e475d5ae1a9d","agenda_item_id":null,"speaker_id":"spk_95607_public_commenter","speaker_confidence":0.95,"start_sec":1582.68,"end_sec":1587.61,"text":"Because you want to know what, council? You do do a great job. I'm going to give you a round of applause for that. You do.","topics_json":"[]","vector_id":"vec_seg_95607_99","created_at":"2026-10-31T07:10:53Z","speaker_name":null},{"id":"seg_96743_1","meeting_id":"96743","media_asset_id":"med_96743_fd7228a0ced76020","agenda_item_id":null,"speaker_id":"spk_96743_chair","speaker_confidence":0.9,"start_sec":0,"end_sec":48.77,"text":"Having 3:30, we will open the meeting, the uh, City of Dover Construction and Property Maintenance Code Board of Appeals, and we'd like to welcome everyone. Prior to accepting the agenda, there's been a request for a minor modification that item number two be heard first. Item number two, the residential code violation appeal, chapter 22 of buildings and building regulations, article three, building code, section 20-20- section 22-68, International Residential Code, adopted 2009, section R302.1 exterior walls, appeal of denied building permit, 321 Charlie Crossing Drive, Syeda Austin then. It's been asked that we move that item to item number one. All right, so...","topics_json":"[\"housing\",\"zoning\"]","vector_id":"vec_seg_96743_1","created_at":"2026-10-31T06:40:16Z","speaker_name":null},{"id":"seg_96743_10","meeting_id":"96743","media_asset_id":"med_96743_fd7228a0ced76020","agenda_item_id":null,"speaker_id":"spk_96743_chunk1_speaker_2","speaker_confidence":0.7,"start_sec":27.4,"end_sec":28.3,"text":"Oh, hi Jesse.","topics_json":"[]","vector_id":"vec_seg_96743_10","created_at":"2026-10-31T06:40:16Z","speaker_name":null},{"id":"seg_96743_100","meeting_id":"96743","media_asset_id":"med_96743_fd7228a0ced76020","agenda_item_id":null,"speaker_id":"spk_96743_staff_member","speaker_confidence":0.85,"start_sec":1046.35,"end_sec":1048.25,"text":"There are other alternatives.","topics_json":"[\"housing\"]","vector_id":"vec_seg_96743_100","created_at":"2026-10-31T06:40:17Z","speaker_name":null},{"id":"seg_96743_101","meeting_id":"96743","media_asset_id":"med_96743_fd7228a0ced76020","agenda_item_id":null,"speaker_id":"spk_96743_board_member_1","speaker_confidence":0.85,"start_sec":1048.25,"end_sec":1048.25,"text":"Yes, sir, that can be achieved. That's the point I'm making. Alternatives, even if we say no.","topics_json":"[\"housing\"]","vector_id":"vec_seg_96743_101","created_at":"2026-10-31T06:40:17Z","speaker_name":null},{"id":"seg_96743_102","meeting_id":"96743","media_asset_id":"med_96743_fd7228a0ced76020","agenda_item_id":null,"speaker_id":"spk_96743_board_member_3","speaker_confidence":0.85,"start_sec":1053.85,"end_sec":1055.57,"text":"Sorry. 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Uh he is with Code Solutions International, and they currently conduct all of our plan review for commercial and residential structures for compliance with code. Um this uh appeal is for a deck that is off the backside of a townhouse um where it was uh for one reason or another needed to be replaced. Uh permit was properly submitted uh, reviewed, and then denied by our plan reviewer. I'm going to let Dave speak to the exact code, reasoning, and interpretation um of what it was denied for.","topics_json":"[\"zoning\"]","vector_id":"vec_seg_96743_15","created_at":"2026-10-31T06:40:16Z","speaker_name":"Jason Loar"},{"id":"seg_96743_150","meeting_id":"96743","media_asset_id":"med_96743_fd7228a0ced76020","agenda_item_id":null,"speaker_id":"spk_96743_councilman","speaker_confidence":0.8,"start_sec":1324.83,"end_sec":1327.73,"text":"I wasn't listening. You're welcome. Thanks for your time.","topics_json":"[]","vector_id":"vec_seg_96743_150","created_at":"2026-10-31T06:40:17Z","speaker_name":null},{"id":"seg_96743_151","meeting_id":"96743","media_asset_id":"med_96743_fd7228a0ced76020","agenda_item_id":null,"speaker_id":"spk_96743_board_member_1","speaker_confidence":0.8,"start_sec":1328.73,"end_sec":1333.53,"text":"We we always strive to give as much information to our constituents. This is Take care. Thank you.","topics_json":"[]","vector_id":"vec_seg_96743_151","created_at":"2026-10-31T06:40:17Z","speaker_name":null},{"id":"seg_96743_152","meeting_id":"96743","media_asset_id":"med_96743_fd7228a0ced76020","agenda_item_id":null,"speaker_id":"spk_96743_board_member_1","speaker_confidence":0.8,"start_sec":1337.23,"end_sec":1385.03,"text":"All right. With that said, we are here with um our now number two item, but one, Hearing Number One, a property maintenance code violation. Chapter 22, buildings and building regulations, article 12, vacant building section 22-403, registration period, and registration fees. Appeal of registration fee for the property located at 3074 North DuPont Highway and Jesse Adams, owner.","topics_json":"[\"housing\",\"zoning\"]","vector_id":"vec_seg_96743_152","created_at":"2026-10-31T06:40:17Z","speaker_name":null},{"id":"seg_96743_153","meeting_id":"96743","media_asset_id":"med_96743_fd7228a0ced76020","agenda_item_id":null,"speaker_id":"spk_96743_board_member_2","speaker_confidence":0.8,"start_sec":1385.03,"end_sec":1386.73,"text":"Oh we've been here before I think.","topics_json":"[]","vector_id":"vec_seg_96743_153","created_at":"2026-10-31T06:40:17Z","speaker_name":null},{"id":"seg_96743_154","meeting_id":"96743","media_asset_id":"med_96743_fd7228a0ced76020","agenda_item_id":null,"speaker_id":"spk_96743_board_member_1","speaker_confidence":0.8,"start_sec":1386.73,"end_sec":1389.33,"text":"Yeah, we've been here before. 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Prior to that, I was code enforcement for four years in Pennsylvania, so you have some background.","topics_json":"[\"housing\"]","vector_id":"vec_seg_96743_156","created_at":"2026-10-31T06:40:17Z","speaker_name":null},{"id":"seg_96743_157","meeting_id":"96743","media_asset_id":"med_96743_fd7228a0ced76020","agenda_item_id":null,"speaker_id":"spk_96743_city_staff","speaker_confidence":0.9,"start_sec":1400.05,"end_sec":1414.05,"text":"Um, this case opened up back in May 16th of 2019 under at that time, Ron Coburn, who took care of vacant buildings.","topics_json":"[\"housing\"]","vector_id":"vec_seg_96743_157","created_at":"2026-10-31T06:40:17Z","speaker_name":null},{"id":"seg_96743_158","meeting_id":"96743","media_asset_id":"med_96743_fd7228a0ced76020","agenda_item_id":null,"speaker_id":"spk_96743_city_staff","speaker_confidence":0.9,"start_sec":1414.05,"end_sec":1424.05,"text":"Um, it was registered on June 17th, 2019. 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Um quick background: I've been doing code enforcement, plan review, inspections for 26 years. Right now, I'm the only active Master Code Professional in the state of Delaware um to achieve that level of certification. Uh we've been doing the plan review for the City of Dover for I guess a year and a half, 2 years. Um specific to this project, um there were no issues whatsoever with the deck's proposed structure. Uh the values as far as the load-bearing members were checked and validated. There's no issue with that whatsoever. The issue revolves around its proximity to the lot line uh between it and the neighboring property. So under the 2009 International Residential Code, Section 302.1, there is a table that goes along with that section, and the premise deals with what's called fire separation distance. The distance of construction from lot lines. 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Um, that's when I took care of that.","topics_json":"[\"housing\",\"budget\"]","vector_id":"vec_seg_96743_162","created_at":"2026-10-31T06:40:17Z","speaker_name":null},{"id":"seg_96743_163","meeting_id":"96743","media_asset_id":"med_96743_fd7228a0ced76020","agenda_item_id":null,"speaker_id":"spk_96743_city_staff","speaker_confidence":0.9,"start_sec":1467.75,"end_sec":1498.25,"text":"The sixth year fee of $5,000 um on uh it was issued in in July of 2024. At that time, uh Mr. Allen appealed the fee for that year, and we had a Construction and Property Maintenance Code uh Board of Appeals on August 7th, 2024. Uh, I was not able to attend that meeting,","topics_json":"[\"housing\",\"budget\"]","vector_id":"vec_seg_96743_163","created_at":"2026-10-31T06:40:17Z","speaker_name":null},{"id":"seg_96743_164","meeting_id":"96743","media_asset_id":"med_96743_fd7228a0ced76020","agenda_item_id":null,"speaker_id":"spk_96743_city_staff","speaker_confidence":0.9,"start_sec":1498.27,"end_sec":1605.27,"text":"Code Enforcement Officer Cierra Brown took care of the case for me that day. Um, during that process, um, it came that the appeal was denied for the $5,000. Um, so the sixth-year fee of $5,000 was paid August 19th, 2024. Um, this year, the letter went out September 17th, 2025 for the seventh-year fee of $5,000. Uh, since then, Mr. Allen has corresponded with me um and requested an exemption. Uh, he was directed to the city clerk's office for uh apply for for an appeal. Um, and so that's where we are today. Um, as of as of January 5th, two days ago, uh, this permit has been renewed six times for renovation permit. Um, all six all six times, there has not been a single inspection at this property. Um, and come July, there won't be any more excep- uh exemptions. He's going to have to reapply the whole permit process again. Um, the the building still vacant. Uh, there has been progress uh over the months, um, but it still remains vacant. Uh, and so therefore, uh, in my opinion, that this $5,000, based on the ordinance-","topics_json":"[\"housing\",\"zoning\"]","vector_id":"vec_seg_96743_164","created_at":"2026-10-31T06:40:17Z","speaker_name":null},{"id":"seg_96743_165","meeting_id":"96743","media_asset_id":"med_96743_fd7228a0ced76020","agenda_item_id":null,"speaker_id":"spk_96743_appellant","speaker_confidence":0.8,"start_sec":1605.29,"end_sec":1607.39,"text":"...remains.","topics_json":"[\"housing\"]","vector_id":"vec_seg_96743_165","created_at":"2026-10-31T06:40:17Z","speaker_name":null},{"id":"seg_96743_166","meeting_id":"96743","media_asset_id":"med_96743_fd7228a0ced76020","agenda_item_id":null,"speaker_id":"spk_96743_chair","speaker_confidence":0.85,"start_sec":1608.09,"end_sec":1611.89,"text":"Thank you. What progress has been made? Do you have pictures or anything?","topics_json":"[\"housing\"]","vector_id":"vec_seg_96743_166","created_at":"2026-10-31T06:40:17Z","speaker_name":null},{"id":"seg_96743_167","meeting_id":"96743","media_asset_id":"med_96743_fd7228a0ced76020","agenda_item_id":null,"speaker_id":"spk_96743_appellant","speaker_confidence":0.85,"start_sec":1612.09,"end_sec":1614.79,"text":"No, I don't have pictures.","topics_json":"[\"housing\"]","vector_id":"vec_seg_96743_167","created_at":"2026-10-31T06:40:17Z","speaker_name":null},{"id":"seg_96743_168","meeting_id":"96743","media_asset_id":"med_96743_fd7228a0ced76020","agenda_item_id":null,"speaker_id":"spk_96743_appellant","speaker_confidence":0.85,"start_sec":1615.19,"end_sec":1619.19,"text":"I have I have pictures if you want to see some pictures. I don't know, do you have some?","topics_json":"[\"housing\"]","vector_id":"vec_seg_96743_168","created_at":"2026-10-31T06:40:17Z","speaker_name":null},{"id":"seg_96743_169","meeting_id":"96743","media_asset_id":"med_96743_fd7228a0ced76020","agenda_item_id":null,"speaker_id":"spk_96743_female_speaker","speaker_confidence":0.85,"start_sec":1619.19,"end_sec":1629.29,"text":"I have some. I've just got to look for them. I'm sorry. The case file... This is from uh 2024...","topics_json":"[\"housing\"]","vector_id":"vec_seg_96743_169","created_at":"2026-10-31T06:40:17Z","speaker_name":null},{"id":"seg_96743_17","meeting_id":"96743","media_asset_id":"med_96743_fd7228a0ced76020","agenda_item_id":null,"speaker_id":"spk_96743_unknown_speaker","speaker_confidence":0.9,"start_sec":214.04,"end_sec":321.04,"text":"um, specifically lists projections as not being allowed, and I'll explain projections in a second. Projections are not permitted uh within 2 ft of a lot line. They are permitted from 3 ft to 5 ft as long as they are rated to a 1-hour fire resistance rating as exposed from the underside. Outside of 5 ft, there are no restrictions. This application came to, it looks like it was received by the city on September 17th, 2025. Uh we were given the review. The review was conducted on September 24th, 2025. And the initial uh comment letter that was issued uh, specified that we needed a site plan or plot plan to show the location of the deck and location in proximity to the lot line. Uh again, nothing structural was noted. It was just the fire separation distance. Um the original plot plan that we got did not show the location of the proposed deck structure. So subsequent to our comment letter, we got a a resubmission which does show the location of the proposed deck and steps, and it is immediately on the adjoining lot line to the property. Um that's what was presented to us, so the comment letter was revived re- revised to more specifically cite 302.1 for a fire separation distance violation. The deck is not permitted to be within 2 ft and not rated um 2 ft of the lot line. The section of the code, to to get back to the projection section, um the code does not in the body of the code say that a deck is a projection. Back in 2000-","topics_json":"[\"zoning\"]","vector_id":"vec_seg_96743_17","created_at":"2026-10-31T06:40:16Z","speaker_name":null},{"id":"seg_96743_170","meeting_id":"96743","media_asset_id":"med_96743_fd7228a0ced76020","agenda_item_id":null,"speaker_id":"spk_96743_female_speaker","speaker_confidence":0.85,"start_sec":1642.29,"end_sec":1644.29,"text":"I know I got it in here.","topics_json":"[\"housing\"]","vector_id":"vec_seg_96743_170","created_at":"2026-10-31T06:40:17Z","speaker_name":null},{"id":"seg_96743_171","meeting_id":"96743","media_asset_id":"med_96743_fd7228a0ced76020","agenda_item_id":null,"speaker_id":"spk_96743_chair","speaker_confidence":0.85,"start_sec":1644.39,"end_sec":1647.89,"text":"In the meantime, while the pictures are coming up, does anyone have any questions?","topics_json":"[\"housing\"]","vector_id":"vec_seg_96743_171","created_at":"2026-10-31T06:40:17Z","speaker_name":null},{"id":"seg_96743_172","meeting_id":"96743","media_asset_id":"med_96743_fd7228a0ced76020","agenda_item_id":null,"speaker_id":"off_fred_a_neil","speaker_confidence":0.99,"start_sec":1647.89,"end_sec":1648.89,"text":"Yeah, I have a question.","topics_json":"[\"housing\"]","vector_id":"vec_seg_96743_172","created_at":"2026-10-31T06:40:17Z","speaker_name":"Fred A. Neil"},{"id":"seg_96743_173","meeting_id":"96743","media_asset_id":"med_96743_fd7228a0ced76020","agenda_item_id":null,"speaker_id":"spk_96743_chair","speaker_confidence":0.85,"start_sec":1648.89,"end_sec":1650.69,"text":"Doc, the Chair recognizes Council President Neil.","topics_json":"[]","vector_id":"vec_seg_96743_173","created_at":"2026-10-31T06:40:17Z","speaker_name":null},{"id":"seg_96743_174","meeting_id":"96743","media_asset_id":"med_96743_fd7228a0ced76020","agenda_item_id":null,"speaker_id":"off_fred_a_neil","speaker_confidence":0.99,"start_sec":1650.69,"end_sec":1658.89,"text":"Thank you. Uh, what kind of uh police activity has been noted on this property? Do you have anything on that?","topics_json":"[\"public_safety\",\"housing\"]","vector_id":"vec_seg_96743_174","created_at":"2026-10-31T06:40:17Z","speaker_name":"Fred A. Neil"},{"id":"seg_96743_175","meeting_id":"96743","media_asset_id":"med_96743_fd7228a0ced76020","agenda_item_id":null,"speaker_id":"spk_96743_eddie_kopp","speaker_confidence":0.9,"start_sec":1658.89,"end_sec":1659.99,"text":"That's unknown.","topics_json":"[\"public_safety\"]","vector_id":"vec_seg_96743_175","created_at":"2026-10-31T06:40:17Z","speaker_name":"Eddie Kopp"},{"id":"seg_96743_176","meeting_id":"96743","media_asset_id":"med_96743_fd7228a0ced76020","agenda_item_id":null,"speaker_id":"off_fred_a_neil","speaker_confidence":0.99,"start_sec":1659.99,"end_sec":1662.79,"text":"Unknown. You don't know how many times they've been called to the property?","topics_json":"[\"public_safety\"]","vector_id":"vec_seg_96743_176","created_at":"2026-10-31T06:40:17Z","speaker_name":"Fred A. Neil"},{"id":"seg_96743_177","meeting_id":"96743","media_asset_id":"med_96743_fd7228a0ced76020","agenda_item_id":null,"speaker_id":"spk_96743_eddie_kopp","speaker_confidence":0.9,"start_sec":1663.09,"end_sec":1663.89,"text":"No.","topics_json":"[\"public_safety\"]","vector_id":"vec_seg_96743_177","created_at":"2026-10-31T06:40:17Z","speaker_name":"Eddie Kopp"},{"id":"seg_96743_178","meeting_id":"96743","media_asset_id":"med_96743_fd7228a0ced76020","agenda_item_id":null,"speaker_id":"spk_96743_female_speaker","speaker_confidence":0.85,"start_sec":1664.99,"end_sec":1666.89,"text":"Oh, that's another property.","topics_json":"[\"housing\"]","vector_id":"vec_seg_96743_178","created_at":"2026-10-31T06:40:17Z","speaker_name":null},{"id":"seg_96743_179","meeting_id":"96743","media_asset_id":"med_96743_fd7228a0ced76020","agenda_item_id":null,"speaker_id":"spk_96743_eddie_kopp","speaker_confidence":0.9,"start_sec":1667.19,"end_sec":1669.89,"text":"If I could while we wait, um...","topics_json":"[]","vector_id":"vec_seg_96743_179","created_at":"2026-10-31T06:40:17Z","speaker_name":"Eddie Kopp"},{"id":"seg_96743_18","meeting_id":"96743","media_asset_id":"med_96743_fd7228a0ced76020","agenda_item_id":null,"speaker_id":"spk_96743_city_staff","speaker_confidence":0.9,"start_sec":321.06,"end_sec":367.26,"text":"3-2004, the International Code Council, which was just founded in the year 2000, issued a a binding opinion. And I included that in the context of my comment letter that that opinion clearly specifies that decks are projections and are subject to that table that I just mentioned. That opinion has never been modified. It existed in 2003-2004, it still exists today. The code, I have the code up on my iPad. I actually have the 2024 code up right now. It reads exactly the same as it did in 2003 and in 2009, which applies to this specific structure. So that's how I got to the conclusion that I issued.","topics_json":"[\"zoning\",\"housing\"]","vector_id":"vec_seg_96743_18","created_at":"2026-10-31T06:40:16Z","speaker_name":null},{"id":"seg_96743_180","meeting_id":"96743","media_asset_id":"med_96743_fd7228a0ced76020","agenda_item_id":null,"speaker_id":"spk_96743_chair","speaker_confidence":0.85,"start_sec":1670.29,"end_sec":1673.29,"text":"Chair Neil, uh Council President, you have anything else?","topics_json":"[]","vector_id":"vec_seg_96743_180","created_at":"2026-10-31T06:40:17Z","speaker_name":null},{"id":"seg_96743_181","meeting_id":"96743","media_asset_id":"med_96743_fd7228a0ced76020","agenda_item_id":null,"speaker_id":"off_fred_a_neil","speaker_confidence":0.99,"start_sec":1673.29,"end_sec":1674.69,"text":"Can't see the pictures. Thank you.","topics_json":"[]","vector_id":"vec_seg_96743_181","created_at":"2026-10-31T06:40:17Z","speaker_name":"Fred A. Neil"},{"id":"seg_96743_182","meeting_id":"96743","media_asset_id":"med_96743_fd7228a0ced76020","agenda_item_id":null,"speaker_id":"spk_96743_chair","speaker_confidence":0.85,"start_sec":1674.69,"end_sec":1676.09,"text":"No problem. Go ahead Eddie.","topics_json":"[]","vector_id":"vec_seg_96743_182","created_at":"2026-10-31T06:40:17Z","speaker_name":null},{"id":"seg_96743_183","meeting_id":"96743","media_asset_id":"med_96743_fd7228a0ced76020","agenda_item_id":null,"speaker_id":"spk_96743_eddie_kopp","speaker_confidence":0.95,"start_sec":1676.29,"end_sec":1688.49,"text":"So, um Eddie Kopp, Chief Code Enforcement Officer for the City of Dover. I just want to read the purpose from the Dover Code Section 22-400, the purpose of the vacant building ordinance into the record.","topics_json":"[\"housing\"]","vector_id":"vec_seg_96743_183","created_at":"2026-10-31T06:40:17Z","speaker_name":"Eddie Kopp"},{"id":"seg_96743_184","meeting_id":"96743","media_asset_id":"med_96743_fd7228a0ced76020","agenda_item_id":null,"speaker_id":"spk_96743_eddie_kopp","speaker_confidence":0.95,"start_sec":1688.79,"end_sec":1712.29,"text":"The purpose... The purpose and intent of this article is to establish a registration and identification program of vacant buildings within the city. Vacant buildings are detrimental to the surrounding buildings and neighborhoods in which they exist. This article is to ensure the public health, safety, and welfare, in welfare, insofar as they are affected by vacant buildings within the city. The health, safety, and wel--","topics_json":"[\"housing\",\"public_safety\"]","vector_id":"vec_seg_96743_184","created_at":"2026-10-31T06:40:17Z","speaker_name":"Eddie Kopp"},{"id":"seg_96743_185","meeting_id":"96743","media_asset_id":"med_96743_fd7228a0ced76020","agenda_item_id":null,"speaker_id":"spk_96743_city_staff","speaker_confidence":0.85,"start_sec":1712.31,"end_sec":1726.81,"text":"welfare of neighborhoods in which vacant buildings are located are of the utmost importance to the city, and as in general community character in which these vacant buildings are located. That is the purpose of the vacant building ordinance, um, just for the record.","topics_json":"[\"housing\",\"zoning\"]","vector_id":"vec_seg_96743_185","created_at":"2026-10-31T06:40:17Z","speaker_name":null},{"id":"seg_96743_186","meeting_id":"96743","media_asset_id":"med_96743_fd7228a0ced76020","agenda_item_id":null,"speaker_id":"spk_96743_chair","speaker_confidence":0.8,"start_sec":1726.81,"end_sec":1728.81,"text":"Thank you.","topics_json":"[]","vector_id":"vec_seg_96743_186","created_at":"2026-10-31T06:40:17Z","speaker_name":null},{"id":"seg_96743_187","meeting_id":"96743","media_asset_id":"med_96743_fd7228a0ced76020","agenda_item_id":null,"speaker_id":"spk_96743_chair","speaker_confidence":0.8,"start_sec":1731.31,"end_sec":1732.81,"text":"Chairman...","topics_json":"[]","vector_id":"vec_seg_96743_187","created_at":"2026-10-31T06:40:17Z","speaker_name":null},{"id":"seg_96743_188","meeting_id":"96743","media_asset_id":"med_96743_fd7228a0ced76020","agenda_item_id":null,"speaker_id":"spk_96743_property_owner","speaker_confidence":0.9,"start_sec":1733.61,"end_sec":1819.31,"text":"Um, like I said, um, I'm just doing the best I can. I'm doing it myself. So it takes a little bit more time than I wanted to, but like I said, right now, I have the front done. Going to put the rafters in this week, so that whole side is done, except for putting the siding. And I just had time to put siding. I work 50 hours a week, and I take 20 hours a week every weekend to work on that. So I am working faster than I was, and I put the windows in, you know, past week. So, got windows in, that's closed up, that's old, that's all torn out. So I tore all that out, because there was some rot there, so it takes me time. I had to put a new, um, support beam in it. And support beam on the front, that whole front was ate up, so I had to take that all off. So that's all done, that takes me a while. And you know, I'm just can't afford to have them do this job. And like I said, to me, I had that whole face taken off this week, and that whole side will be done this weekend. So right now, that whole piece is done, almost there. I just had- it was a little cold, and I didn't want to sit there and throw plyboard up on it, and be like a sail, sail me off to on the ground, so it takes a little bit, and like I said, it's been windy lately.","topics_json":"[\"housing\"]","vector_id":"vec_seg_96743_188","created_at":"2026-10-31T06:40:17Z","speaker_name":null},{"id":"seg_96743_189","meeting_id":"96743","media_asset_id":"med_96743_fd7228a0ced76020","agenda_item_id":null,"speaker_id":"spk_96743_chunk18_speaker_1","speaker_confidence":0.9,"start_sec":1819.33,"end_sec":1826.23,"text":"And March is going to bring more wind, so I'm trying to get it done. I'm doing it as fast as I can.","topics_json":"[]","vector_id":"vec_seg_96743_189","created_at":"2026-10-31T06:40:17Z","speaker_name":null},{"id":"seg_96743_19","meeting_id":"96743","media_asset_id":"med_96743_fd7228a0ced76020","agenda_item_id":null,"speaker_id":"spk_96743_board_chair","speaker_confidence":0.85,"start_sec":367.26,"end_sec":369.76,"text":"Thank you. The chair recognizes Councilman Rocha.","topics_json":"[]","vector_id":"vec_seg_96743_19","created_at":"2026-10-31T06:40:16Z","speaker_name":null},{"id":"seg_96743_190","meeting_id":"96743","media_asset_id":"med_96743_fd7228a0ced76020","agenda_item_id":null,"speaker_id":"spk_96743_chunk18_speaker_1","speaker_confidence":0.9,"start_sec":1826.73,"end_sec":1832.83,"text":"And, like I said, I don't like people on my property anyway. Now I have people kind of walking up on my stuff all the time.","topics_json":"[\"public_safety\"]","vector_id":"vec_seg_96743_190","created_at":"2026-10-31T06:40:17Z","speaker_name":null},{"id":"seg_96743_191","meeting_id":"96743","media_asset_id":"med_96743_fd7228a0ced76020","agenda_item_id":null,"speaker_id":"spk_96743_chunk18_speaker_1","speaker_confidence":0.9,"start_sec":1833.43,"end_sec":1855.13,"text":"And I close it up really tight, and I actually um turn off the electric every time. I don't let let the electric run. And God knows what they'll do to that. I mean, they've they've already ransacked it. They got They got ahold of something last time. They took my wheelbarrow, they took a couple things out of there, but like I said, no police report because what's the point?","topics_json":"[\"public_safety\"]","vector_id":"vec_seg_96743_191","created_at":"2026-10-31T06:40:17Z","speaker_name":null},{"id":"seg_96743_192","meeting_id":"96743","media_asset_id":"med_96743_fd7228a0ced76020","agenda_item_id":null,"speaker_id":"spk_96743_chunk18_speaker_1","speaker_confidence":0.9,"start_sec":1856.33,"end_sec":1875.73,"text":"Because everything behind me is not safe, anyway. You look at everything behind me, it's county. There's a trailer park on one side, and then God knows what's behind me. Uh, the McKenneys is behind me, the old, you know, the McKenney's place. They own the whole section of that piece, and everything around me is county.","topics_json":"[\"zoning\"]","vector_id":"vec_seg_96743_192","created_at":"2026-10-31T06:40:17Z","speaker_name":null},{"id":"seg_96743_193","meeting_id":"96743","media_asset_id":"med_96743_fd7228a0ced76020","agenda_item_id":null,"speaker_id":"spk_96743_chunk18_speaker_1","speaker_confidence":0.9,"start_sec":1876.03,"end_sec":1926.33,"text":"I came into the city to get water and sewer. So I have no- I must have been a stupid man at the time, thinking that they're going to bring it to the curb. Well, I didn't- I guess I didn't do my research good enough to figure that out. And I would have had it done, then the divorce came. That took me a little bit off, that took me out. And I didn't- I really didn't have possession of the property then. The court had the possession of the property, cuz I couldn't do anything to it. That was for two thousand, and then COVID hit. COVID, I couldn't get I can't get a 20-foot board to save my soul, 2x6. I could- went to Wyoming Mills, and went through 84 Lumber, and that stalled me because I could not get it for two years. They would not sell for me, sell to me. And then when I went to it, they were price gouging everything. I went to, um, I forget, there was a roofing place, and they wanted $100 for","topics_json":"[\"housing\",\"zoning\"]","vector_id":"vec_seg_96743_193","created_at":"2026-10-31T06:40:17Z","speaker_name":null},{"id":"seg_96743_194","meeting_id":"96743","media_asset_id":"med_96743_fd7228a0ced76020","agenda_item_id":null,"speaker_id":"spk_96743_property_owner","speaker_confidence":0.9,"start_sec":1926.34,"end_sec":1943.84,"text":"a pack of shingles. And they're 50 $50 bucks. Like I said, 200% markup, that's crazy. So, I had my challenges. And my challenges were that. Thank you, Chair. Chairman.","topics_json":"[\"housing\"]","vector_id":"vec_seg_96743_194","created_at":"2026-10-31T06:40:17Z","speaker_name":null},{"id":"seg_96743_195","meeting_id":"96743","media_asset_id":"med_96743_fd7228a0ced76020","agenda_item_id":null,"speaker_id":"spk_96743_board_chairman","speaker_confidence":0.85,"start_sec":1943.84,"end_sec":1947.14,"text":"Yeah, what what's your estimated time of completion?","topics_json":"[\"housing\"]","vector_id":"vec_seg_96743_195","created_at":"2026-10-31T06:40:17Z","speaker_name":null},{"id":"seg_96743_196","meeting_id":"96743","media_asset_id":"med_96743_fd7228a0ced76020","agenda_item_id":null,"speaker_id":"spk_96743_property_owner","speaker_confidence":0.9,"start_sec":1947.14,"end_sec":1950.64,"text":"Well, I planned to get that whole side done, but I'm talking about the whole building.","topics_json":"[\"housing\"]","vector_id":"vec_seg_96743_196","created_at":"2026-10-31T06:40:17Z","speaker_name":null},{"id":"seg_96743_197","meeting_id":"96743","media_asset_id":"med_96743_fd7228a0ced76020","agenda_item_id":null,"speaker_id":"spk_96743_board_chairman","speaker_confidence":0.85,"start_sec":1950.64,"end_sec":1952.34,"text":"Whole building?","topics_json":"[\"housing\"]","vector_id":"vec_seg_96743_197","created_at":"2026-10-31T06:40:17Z","speaker_name":null},{"id":"seg_96743_198","meeting_id":"96743","media_asset_id":"med_96743_fd7228a0ced76020","agenda_item_id":null,"speaker_id":"spk_96743_property_owner","speaker_confidence":0.9,"start_sec":1952.34,"end_sec":1957.84,"text":"Mhm. Because I'd have to I'd have to probably would have to get sidewalks and stuff like that. I haven't got to that point where...","topics_json":"[\"housing\"]","vector_id":"vec_seg_96743_198","created_at":"2026-10-31T06:40:17Z","speaker_name":null},{"id":"seg_96743_199","meeting_id":"96743","media_asset_id":"med_96743_fd7228a0ced76020","agenda_item_id":null,"speaker_id":"spk_96743_board_chairman","speaker_confidence":0.85,"start_sec":1957.84,"end_sec":1960.84,"text":"Well, we're not talking about sidewalks, we're just talking about the building.","topics_json":"[\"housing\"]","vector_id":"vec_seg_96743_199","created_at":"2026-10-31T06:40:17Z","speaker_name":null},{"id":"seg_96743_2","meeting_id":"96743","media_asset_id":"med_96743_fd7228a0ced76020","agenda_item_id":null,"speaker_id":"spk_96743_board_member_1","speaker_confidence":0.85,"start_sec":49.6,"end_sec":54,"text":"Move to uh uh accept the agenda as amended.","topics_json":"[]","vector_id":"vec_seg_96743_2","created_at":"2026-10-31T06:40:16Z","speaker_name":null},{"id":"seg_96743_20","meeting_id":"96743","media_asset_id":"med_96743_fd7228a0ced76020","agenda_item_id":null,"speaker_id":"off_gerald_l_rocha_sr","speaker_confidence":0.95,"start_sec":369.76,"end_sec":422.46,"text":"All right. Thank you, Mr. Chair. Um so I'm just trying to follow the sequence. The the application was submitted?","topics_json":"[\"zoning\",\"housing\"]","vector_id":"vec_seg_96743_20","created_at":"2026-10-31T06:40:16Z","speaker_name":"Gerald L. Rocha, Sr."},{"id":"seg_96743_200","meeting_id":"96743","media_asset_id":"med_96743_fd7228a0ced76020","agenda_item_id":null,"speaker_id":"spk_96743_property_owner","speaker_confidence":0.9,"start_sec":1960.84,"end_sec":2033.34,"text":"I hope to have that whole side done and the and and the old piece on the other side, and the two doors, and all the siding right there, I'm going to give myself till June, probably. I should have most of that done. Because like like I said, ripping off that ripping off, well, the damage that was done, water damage that was done to it, it was never done. And then they had the insulation stuck to the 2x6s all the way down, so it rotted out some pieces because of that. Because you're not supposed to put insulation, there was no air movement in the whole place. So I had to rip that out, too. So, I've I had my challenges with the building. And it's like I said, spruce. And I think I like it, but like I said, what it was before, just now. And what it what what it represent to your like the City of Dover, I don't know, I don't think it should have been there in the first place. It was an abortion from day one. So, you know, whoever had it before didn't take care of it very well. So when I got it, I looked at it, it looked okay, but you didn't see all the rot on top of the roof, either. And the rot was real bad.","topics_json":"[\"housing\"]","vector_id":"vec_seg_96743_200","created_at":"2026-10-31T06:40:17Z","speaker_name":null},{"id":"seg_96743_201","meeting_id":"96743","media_asset_id":"med_96743_fd7228a0ced76020","agenda_item_id":null,"speaker_id":"spk_96743_property_owner","speaker_confidence":0.85,"start_sec":2033.36,"end_sec":2050.86,"text":"Now I replaced all that, reframed it, and reframed the sides and everything else. If anybody can see the back of it, the back of it's almost done. And like I said, that's all. Like I said, that's that's a good picture, like I said, but the back's a lot better than the front. They saw it. It's almost done.","topics_json":"[\"housing\"]","vector_id":"vec_seg_96743_201","created_at":"2026-10-31T06:40:17Z","speaker_name":null},{"id":"seg_96743_202","meeting_id":"96743","media_asset_id":"med_96743_fd7228a0ced76020","agenda_item_id":null,"speaker_id":"spk_96743_board_member","speaker_confidence":0.8,"start_sec":2050.86,"end_sec":2053.66,"text":"Yeah, we saw new pictures on what was taken. Was it yesterday?","topics_json":"[\"housing\"]","vector_id":"vec_seg_96743_202","created_at":"2026-10-31T06:40:17Z","speaker_name":null},{"id":"seg_96743_203","meeting_id":"96743","media_asset_id":"med_96743_fd7228a0ced76020","agenda_item_id":null,"speaker_id":"spk_96743_property_owner","speaker_confidence":0.85,"start_sec":2053.66,"end_sec":2065.86,"text":"Yeah. The back is almost done, but I'm told it's on the short side so I couldn't get to the top of it. And I had to rig something up to get to the top, and I didn't have time and I've not done that yet. All right.","topics_json":"[\"housing\"]","vector_id":"vec_seg_96743_203","created_at":"2026-10-31T06:40:17Z","speaker_name":null},{"id":"seg_96743_204","meeting_id":"96743","media_asset_id":"med_96743_fd7228a0ced76020","agenda_item_id":null,"speaker_id":"spk_96743_board_chair","speaker_confidence":0.85,"start_sec":2065.86,"end_sec":2070.56,"text":"Thank you. The chair recognizes uh Mr. Kopp.","topics_json":"[]","vector_id":"vec_seg_96743_204","created_at":"2026-10-31T06:40:17Z","speaker_name":null},{"id":"seg_96743_205","meeting_id":"96743","media_asset_id":"med_96743_fd7228a0ced76020","agenda_item_id":null,"speaker_id":"spk_96743_eddie_kopp","speaker_confidence":0.9,"start_sec":2070.56,"end_sec":2139.86,"text":"Um, just for the record, as established on the August 7th, 2024 uh Property Maintenance Code Board of Appeals, the vacant it was determined the building has been vacant since 2013. So, we're although the city has the seventh-year vacant building fee, the building's been vacant for going this will be the 13th year that it's been vacant. Um, so it's going to be the position of the city to deny the appeal based off of the intent of the vacant building ordinance. Um, it's not meeting the intent. It's not there's no permits that have been followed through. Um, there hasn't been a single inspection, so even the work that's being done, we can't verify that because not a single inspection has been scheduled. So, I know we're looking at pictures, but without them inspections being scheduled, we don't know if the work is done up to code. And why that's important is if you're missing inspections, you might potentially have to undo what you've already done because you didn't get their their rough um initial inspections. So, although we're looking at pictures of some finished product, without them inspections, it's it's void.","topics_json":"[\"housing\"]","vector_id":"vec_seg_96743_205","created_at":"2026-10-31T06:40:17Z","speaker_name":"Eddie Kopp"},{"id":"seg_96743_206","meeting_id":"96743","media_asset_id":"med_96743_fd7228a0ced76020","agenda_item_id":null,"speaker_id":"spk_96743_appellant","speaker_confidence":0.9,"start_sec":2140.38,"end_sec":2143.57,"text":"how do I know what plan these inspections? I didn't know whether to plan it.","topics_json":"[\"housing\",\"zoning\"]","vector_id":"vec_seg_96743_206","created_at":"2026-10-31T06:40:17Z","speaker_name":null},{"id":"seg_96743_207","meeting_id":"96743","media_asset_id":"med_96743_fd7228a0ced76020","agenda_item_id":null,"speaker_id":"spk_96743_city_staff","speaker_confidence":0.9,"start_sec":2143.57,"end_sec":2147.28,"text":"So that's within the permit. It's all spelled out on the permit that's issued.","topics_json":"[\"housing\",\"zoning\"]","vector_id":"vec_seg_96743_207","created_at":"2026-10-31T06:40:17Z","speaker_name":null},{"id":"seg_96743_208","meeting_id":"96743","media_asset_id":"med_96743_fd7228a0ced76020","agenda_item_id":null,"speaker_id":"spk_96743_appellant","speaker_confidence":0.9,"start_sec":2147.28,"end_sec":2148.33,"text":"I didn't read that.","topics_json":"[\"housing\",\"zoning\"]","vector_id":"vec_seg_96743_208","created_at":"2026-10-31T06:40:17Z","speaker_name":null},{"id":"seg_96743_209","meeting_id":"96743","media_asset_id":"med_96743_fd7228a0ced76020","agenda_item_id":null,"speaker_id":"spk_96743_city_staff","speaker_confidence":0.9,"start_sec":2148.33,"end_sec":2151.61,"text":"And it's printed out. Each time you renew your permit, it's printed out every single...","topics_json":"[\"housing\",\"zoning\"]","vector_id":"vec_seg_96743_209","created_at":"2026-10-31T06:40:17Z","speaker_name":null},{"id":"seg_96743_21","meeting_id":"96743","media_asset_id":"med_96743_fd7228a0ced76020","agenda_item_id":null,"speaker_id":"spk_96743_city_staff","speaker_confidence":0.9,"start_sec":422.46,"end_sec":423.36,"text":"Yes.","topics_json":"[\"zoning\"]","vector_id":"vec_seg_96743_21","created_at":"2026-10-31T06:40:16Z","speaker_name":null},{"id":"seg_96743_210","meeting_id":"96743","media_asset_id":"med_96743_fd7228a0ced76020","agenda_item_id":null,"speaker_id":"spk_96743_appellant","speaker_confidence":0.9,"start_sec":2151.61,"end_sec":2154.53,"text":"So, I need to go and get you get one of you guys to look at what I've done.","topics_json":"[\"housing\",\"zoning\"]","vector_id":"vec_seg_96743_210","created_at":"2026-10-31T06:40:17Z","speaker_name":null},{"id":"seg_96743_211","meeting_id":"96743","media_asset_id":"med_96743_fd7228a0ced76020","agenda_item_id":null,"speaker_id":"spk_96743_city_staff","speaker_confidence":0.9,"start_sec":2154.53,"end_sec":2158.44,"text":"Yeah, it's it's all printed out on your permit. Everything's explained on the permit.","topics_json":"[\"housing\",\"zoning\"]","vector_id":"vec_seg_96743_211","created_at":"2026-10-31T06:40:17Z","speaker_name":null},{"id":"seg_96743_212","meeting_id":"96743","media_asset_id":"med_96743_fd7228a0ced76020","agenda_item_id":null,"speaker_id":"spk_96743_board_member","speaker_confidence":0.9,"start_sec":2158.44,"end_sec":2160.69,"text":"Not us. The building department.","topics_json":"[\"housing\",\"zoning\"]","vector_id":"vec_seg_96743_212","created_at":"2026-10-31T06:40:17Z","speaker_name":null},{"id":"seg_96743_213","meeting_id":"96743","media_asset_id":"med_96743_fd7228a0ced76020","agenda_item_id":null,"speaker_id":"spk_96743_city_staff","speaker_confidence":0.9,"start_sec":2160.69,"end_sec":2167.65,"text":"Yeah. But it's all on your permit, sir. Every time you renew that permit and they reprint it, it's all on it's all established on the permit.","topics_json":"[\"housing\",\"zoning\"]","vector_id":"vec_seg_96743_213","created_at":"2026-10-31T06:40:17Z","speaker_name":null},{"id":"seg_96743_214","meeting_id":"96743","media_asset_id":"med_96743_fd7228a0ced76020","agenda_item_id":null,"speaker_id":"spk_96743_appellant","speaker_confidence":0.9,"start_sec":2167.65,"end_sec":2169.73,"text":"Yeah, it's always a piece of paper that tell me I can do so.","topics_json":"[\"housing\",\"zoning\"]","vector_id":"vec_seg_96743_214","created_at":"2026-10-31T06:40:17Z","speaker_name":null},{"id":"seg_96743_215","meeting_id":"96743","media_asset_id":"med_96743_fd7228a0ced76020","agenda_item_id":null,"speaker_id":"spk_96743_board_member","speaker_confidence":0.9,"start_sec":2169.73,"end_sec":2174.38,"text":"But just so you're aware, come July, you're not going to be able to get any more permits.","topics_json":"[\"housing\",\"zoning\"]","vector_id":"vec_seg_96743_215","created_at":"2026-10-31T06:40:17Z","speaker_name":null},{"id":"seg_96743_216","meeting_id":"96743","media_asset_id":"med_96743_fd7228a0ced76020","agenda_item_id":null,"speaker_id":"spk_96743_appellant","speaker_confidence":0.9,"start_sec":2174.38,"end_sec":2175.7,"text":"What if I sell the building?","topics_json":"[\"housing\",\"zoning\"]","vector_id":"vec_seg_96743_216","created_at":"2026-10-31T06:40:17Z","speaker_name":null},{"id":"seg_96743_217","meeting_id":"96743","media_asset_id":"med_96743_fd7228a0ced76020","agenda_item_id":null,"speaker_id":"spk_96743_board_member","speaker_confidence":0.9,"start_sec":2175.7,"end_sec":2177.29,"text":"You're going to have to apply all again.","topics_json":"[\"housing\",\"zoning\"]","vector_id":"vec_seg_96743_217","created_at":"2026-10-31T06:40:17Z","speaker_name":null},{"id":"seg_96743_218","meeting_id":"96743","media_asset_id":"med_96743_fd7228a0ced76020","agenda_item_id":null,"speaker_id":"spk_96743_appellant","speaker_confidence":0.9,"start_sec":2177.29,"end_sec":2186.9,"text":"So, if I sell the building before then, then then if they can they reapply what I've done to it or...","topics_json":"[\"housing\",\"zoning\"]","vector_id":"vec_seg_96743_218","created_at":"2026-10-31T06:40:17Z","speaker_name":null},{"id":"seg_96743_219","meeting_id":"96743","media_asset_id":"med_96743_fd7228a0ced76020","agenda_item_id":null,"speaker_id":"spk_96743_city_staff","speaker_confidence":0.9,"start_sec":2186.9,"end_sec":2188.4,"text":"No, so...","topics_json":"[\"housing\",\"zoning\"]","vector_id":"vec_seg_96743_219","created_at":"2026-10-31T06:40:17Z","speaker_name":null},{"id":"seg_96743_22","meeting_id":"96743","media_asset_id":"med_96743_fd7228a0ced76020","agenda_item_id":null,"speaker_id":"off_gerald_l_rocha_sr","speaker_confidence":0.95,"start_sec":423.36,"end_sec":435.76,"text":"And at that point, because you didn't have basically a drawing of where the deck was going to go, then it was sent back to the person who submitted the application?","topics_json":"[\"zoning\",\"housing\"]","vector_id":"vec_seg_96743_22","created_at":"2026-10-31T06:40:16Z","speaker_name":"Gerald L. Rocha, Sr."},{"id":"seg_96743_220","meeting_id":"96743","media_asset_id":"med_96743_fd7228a0ced76020","agenda_item_id":null,"speaker_id":"spk_96743_appellant","speaker_confidence":0.9,"start_sec":2188.4,"end_sec":2189.41,"text":"How's that work?","topics_json":"[\"housing\",\"zoning\"]","vector_id":"vec_seg_96743_220","created_at":"2026-10-31T06:40:17Z","speaker_name":null},{"id":"seg_96743_221","meeting_id":"96743","media_asset_id":"med_96743_fd7228a0ced76020","agenda_item_id":null,"speaker_id":"spk_96743_city_staff","speaker_confidence":0.9,"start_sec":2189.41,"end_sec":2251.79,"text":"If you sell the building, you just sell the building. It doesn't— we'll still be in the same boat. It still has to have them inspections. So the work being done regardless who the owner is, it has to be inspected, it has to be signed off on it, a CO has to be issued to the property. So regardless if it sells five times, it doesn't matter. Whatever you've done so far could potentially be undone because it's not up to code.","topics_json":"[\"housing\",\"zoning\"]","vector_id":"vec_seg_96743_221","created_at":"2026-10-31T06:40:17Z","speaker_name":null},{"id":"seg_96743_222","meeting_id":"96743","media_asset_id":"med_96743_fd7228a0ced76020","agenda_item_id":null,"speaker_id":"spk_96743_appellant","speaker_confidence":0.9,"start_sec":2251.79,"end_sec":2253.49,"text":"I understand that part.","topics_json":"[\"housing\",\"zoning\"]","vector_id":"vec_seg_96743_222","created_at":"2026-10-31T06:40:17Z","speaker_name":null},{"id":"seg_96743_223","meeting_id":"96743","media_asset_id":"med_96743_fd7228a0ced76020","agenda_item_id":null,"speaker_id":"spk_96743_city_staff","speaker_confidence":0.9,"start_sec":2253.49,"end_sec":2265.51,"text":"So, even if you sell the sell the building, you would have to um you would have to explain if there's code violations on the property that you have a permit with no inspections. You have to disclose all of that to your seller.","topics_json":"[\"housing\",\"zoning\"]","vector_id":"vec_seg_96743_223","created_at":"2026-10-31T06:40:17Z","speaker_name":null},{"id":"seg_96743_224","meeting_id":"96743","media_asset_id":"med_96743_fd7228a0ced76020","agenda_item_id":null,"speaker_id":"spk_96743_appellant","speaker_confidence":0.9,"start_sec":2265.51,"end_sec":2268.65,"text":"So, I need to I need to schedule a a...","topics_json":"[\"housing\",\"zoning\"]","vector_id":"vec_seg_96743_224","created_at":"2026-10-31T06:40:17Z","speaker_name":null},{"id":"seg_96743_225","meeting_id":"96743","media_asset_id":"med_96743_fd7228a0ced76020","agenda_item_id":null,"speaker_id":"spk_96743_city_staff","speaker_confidence":0.9,"start_sec":2268.65,"end_sec":2278.63,"text":"You'd have to— Yeah. My recommendation at this point would schedule an inspection for what you've done before moving forward, because you could potentially it might have to be undone if it's not up to code.","topics_json":"[\"housing\",\"zoning\"]","vector_id":"vec_seg_96743_225","created_at":"2026-10-31T06:40:17Z","speaker_name":null},{"id":"seg_96743_226","meeting_id":"96743","media_asset_id":"med_96743_fd7228a0ced76020","agenda_item_id":null,"speaker_id":"spk_96743_appellant","speaker_confidence":0.9,"start_sec":2278.63,"end_sec":2280.38,"text":"I think I did a pretty damn good job.","topics_json":"[\"housing\",\"zoning\"]","vector_id":"vec_seg_96743_226","created_at":"2026-10-31T06:40:17Z","speaker_name":null},{"id":"seg_96743_227","meeting_id":"96743","media_asset_id":"med_96743_fd7228a0ced76020","agenda_item_id":null,"speaker_id":"spk_96743_city_staff","speaker_confidence":0.9,"start_sec":2280.38,"end_sec":2281.6,"text":"Right, but...","topics_json":"[\"housing\",\"zoning\"]","vector_id":"vec_seg_96743_227","created_at":"2026-10-31T06:40:17Z","speaker_name":null},{"id":"seg_96743_228","meeting_id":"96743","media_asset_id":"med_96743_fd7228a0ced76020","agenda_item_id":null,"speaker_id":"spk_96743_board_member","speaker_confidence":0.9,"start_sec":2281.6,"end_sec":2283.46,"text":"if they can't see it, they're going to make you pull it off.","topics_json":"[\"housing\",\"zoning\"]","vector_id":"vec_seg_96743_228","created_at":"2026-10-31T06:40:17Z","speaker_name":null},{"id":"seg_96743_229","meeting_id":"96743","media_asset_id":"med_96743_fd7228a0ced76020","agenda_item_id":null,"speaker_id":"spk_96743_appellant","speaker_confidence":0.9,"start_sec":2283.46,"end_sec":2285.85,"text":"They can see it. You can look and see the sides right now.","topics_json":"[\"housing\",\"zoning\"]","vector_id":"vec_seg_96743_229","created_at":"2026-10-31T06:40:17Z","speaker_name":null},{"id":"seg_96743_23","meeting_id":"96743","media_asset_id":"med_96743_fd7228a0ced76020","agenda_item_id":null,"speaker_id":"spk_96743_city_staff","speaker_confidence":0.9,"start_sec":435.76,"end_sec":436.96,"text":"Correct.","topics_json":"[\"zoning\"]","vector_id":"vec_seg_96743_23","created_at":"2026-10-31T06:40:16Z","speaker_name":null},{"id":"seg_96743_230","meeting_id":"96743","media_asset_id":"med_96743_fd7228a0ced76020","agenda_item_id":null,"speaker_id":"spk_96743_city_staff","speaker_confidence":0.9,"start_sec":2285.85,"end_sec":2287.38,"text":"Right. But you actually have to...","topics_json":"[\"housing\",\"zoning\"]","vector_id":"vec_seg_96743_230","created_at":"2026-10-31T06:40:17Z","speaker_name":null},{"id":"seg_96743_231","meeting_id":"96743","media_asset_id":"med_96743_fd7228a0ced76020","agenda_item_id":null,"speaker_id":"spk_96743_code_official","speaker_confidence":0.9,"start_sec":2247.4,"end_sec":2266.8,"text":"see every step of it. Because when we sign off as code officials, when we sign off, we're assuming that liability. So if it's not done correctly, and something happens, or the building collapses, it falls back on us. 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And it's just to keep everyone safe.","topics_json":"[\"public_safety\"]","vector_id":"vec_seg_96743_233","created_at":"2026-10-31T06:40:17Z","speaker_name":null},{"id":"seg_96743_234","meeting_id":"96743","media_asset_id":"med_96743_fd7228a0ced76020","agenda_item_id":null,"speaker_id":"spk_96743_appellant","speaker_confidence":0.9,"start_sec":2269.4,"end_sec":2271.7,"text":"I just don't know why they'd tell me that now.","topics_json":"[\"housing\"]","vector_id":"vec_seg_96743_234","created_at":"2026-10-31T06:40:17Z","speaker_name":null},{"id":"seg_96743_235","meeting_id":"96743","media_asset_id":"med_96743_fd7228a0ced76020","agenda_item_id":null,"speaker_id":"spk_96743_code_official","speaker_confidence":0.9,"start_sec":2271.7,"end_sec":2272.5,"text":"It's on the permit.","topics_json":"[\"housing\"]","vector_id":"vec_seg_96743_235","created_at":"2026-10-31T06:40:17Z","speaker_name":null},{"id":"seg_96743_236","meeting_id":"96743","media_asset_id":"med_96743_fd7228a0ced76020","agenda_item_id":null,"speaker_id":"spk_96743_appellant","speaker_confidence":0.9,"start_sec":2272.5,"end_sec":2277.2,"text":"When I was at the last one you guys should've- well, you're saying it's on the permit, but I didn't read that part.","topics_json":"[\"housing\"]","vector_id":"vec_seg_96743_236","created_at":"2026-10-31T06:40:17Z","speaker_name":null},{"id":"seg_96743_237","meeting_id":"96743","media_asset_id":"med_96743_fd7228a0ced76020","agenda_item_id":null,"speaker_id":"spk_96743_meeting_chair","speaker_confidence":0.85,"start_sec":2277.2,"end_sec":2291.9,"text":"All right. 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Rocha, Sr."},{"id":"seg_96743_240","meeting_id":"96743","media_asset_id":"med_96743_fd7228a0ced76020","agenda_item_id":null,"speaker_id":"spk_96743_council_president","speaker_confidence":0.85,"start_sec":2301.3,"end_sec":2379.7,"text":"where the guy had a he walked around with with a cloud over his head. And you walked around with a cloud over your head. All the steps that you've had, I have printed out more for you than I have for any other appeal in terms of seeing what you've said and what's happened. The the fact that the initial report said you have to make sure that you knew what the wood was, this was 2018. I have the documents here on that and of the situation. All of those problems that you've related, is Joe Btfsplk, and he was the guy with a cloud. Walked around with a cloud over his head.","topics_json":"[\"housing\"]","vector_id":"vec_seg_96743_240","created_at":"2026-10-31T06:40:17Z","speaker_name":null},{"id":"seg_96743_241","meeting_id":"96743","media_asset_id":"med_96743_fd7228a0ced76020","agenda_item_id":null,"speaker_id":"spk_96743_appellant","speaker_confidence":0.85,"start_sec":2379.7,"end_sec":2380.9,"text":"There's way too many.","topics_json":"[\"housing\"]","vector_id":"vec_seg_96743_241","created_at":"2026-10-31T06:40:17Z","speaker_name":null},{"id":"seg_96743_242","meeting_id":"96743","media_asset_id":"med_96743_fd7228a0ced76020","agenda_item_id":null,"speaker_id":"spk_96743_council_president","speaker_confidence":0.85,"start_sec":2380.9,"end_sec":2393.9,"text":"Even though I sympathize tremendously, you just made a bad gamble on this one. And it hasn't paid off. And I think in terms of the city, we have to turn it down. 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If not, I move for adjournment of the","topics_json":"[]","vector_id":"vec_seg_96743_247","created_at":"2026-10-31T06:40:17Z","speaker_name":null},{"id":"seg_96743_248","meeting_id":"96743","media_asset_id":"med_96743_fd7228a0ced76020","agenda_item_id":null,"speaker_id":"spk_96743_chair","speaker_confidence":0.9,"start_sec":2411.22,"end_sec":2457.52,"text":"City of Dover Construction and Property Maintenance Code Board of Appeals. All in favor signify by saying aye.","topics_json":"[]","vector_id":"vec_seg_96743_248","created_at":"2026-10-31T06:40:17Z","speaker_name":null},{"id":"seg_96743_249","meeting_id":"96743","media_asset_id":"med_96743_fd7228a0ced76020","agenda_item_id":null,"speaker_id":"spk_96743_board_members","speaker_confidence":0.9,"start_sec":2457.52,"end_sec":2458.92,"text":"Aye.","topics_json":"[]","vector_id":"vec_seg_96743_249","created_at":"2026-10-31T06:40:17Z","speaker_name":null},{"id":"seg_96743_25","meeting_id":"96743","media_asset_id":"med_96743_fd7228a0ced76020","agenda_item_id":null,"speaker_id":"spk_96743_city_staff","speaker_confidence":0.9,"start_sec":445.26,"end_sec":450.56,"text":"We were given a a plot plan that shows the deck and steps on the lot line.","topics_json":"[\"zoning\",\"housing\"]","vector_id":"vec_seg_96743_25","created_at":"2026-10-31T06:40:16Z","speaker_name":null},{"id":"seg_96743_250","meeting_id":"96743","media_asset_id":"med_96743_fd7228a0ced76020","agenda_item_id":null,"speaker_id":"spk_96743_chair","speaker_confidence":0.9,"start_sec":2460.22,"end_sec":2462.42,"text":"We're adjourned. 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Stand by. Stand by, 1.","topics_json":"[]","vector_id":"vec_seg_96743_84","created_at":"2026-10-31T06:40:17Z","speaker_name":null},{"id":"seg_96743_85","meeting_id":"96743","media_asset_id":"med_96743_fd7228a0ced76020","agenda_item_id":null,"speaker_id":"spk_96743_board_chair","speaker_confidence":0.9,"start_sec":856.15,"end_sec":860.65,"text":"Uh, the the Chair recognizes Council President Fred Neil.","topics_json":"[]","vector_id":"vec_seg_96743_85","created_at":"2026-10-31T06:40:17Z","speaker_name":null},{"id":"seg_96743_86","meeting_id":"96743","media_asset_id":"med_96743_fd7228a0ced76020","agenda_item_id":null,"speaker_id":"off_fred_a_neil","speaker_confidence":1,"start_sec":860.65,"end_sec":872.65,"text":"Uh, in other words, I understand she can have her designer fix the existing deck with fireproofing material without having to rebuild the whole thing?","topics_json":"[\"housing\",\"public_safety\"]","vector_id":"vec_seg_96743_86","created_at":"2026-10-31T06:40:17Z","speaker_name":"Fred A. 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It's his it's in his district, the fourth district, and I will be asking uh Councilman Anderson as well and Councilman Boggerty as well, will they support uh such a uh endeavor. Thank you, and I want to have um Ms. Gibson to give our presentation, please.","topics_json":"[\"budget\",\"public_safety\"]","vector_id":"vec_seg_97064_10","created_at":"2026-10-31T05:51:14Z","speaker_name":"Bobby Wilson"},{"id":"seg_97064_100","meeting_id":"97064","media_asset_id":"med_97064_34ae2960e8ae89f4","agenda_item_id":null,"speaker_id":"off_david_l_anderson","speaker_confidence":1,"start_sec":2723.19,"end_sec":2724.91,"text":"Conduit bonds.","topics_json":"[\"budget\"]","vector_id":"vec_seg_97064_100","created_at":"2026-10-31T05:51:14Z","speaker_name":"David L. 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A lot of the the the work that we put into gaining finance has been grassroots, working with um you know senators and and community members and, you know, just getting out there and and showing them this and and and our vision and, you know, getting people behind us. But we're definitely open to consideration.","topics_json":"[\"budget\"]","vector_id":"vec_seg_97064_102","created_at":"2026-10-31T05:51:14Z","speaker_name":"Anya Lindsey-Jenkins"},{"id":"seg_97064_103","meeting_id":"97064","media_asset_id":"med_97064_34ae2960e8ae89f4","agenda_item_id":null,"speaker_id":"spk_97064_dr_vilicia_cade","speaker_confidence":0.95,"start_sec":2758.24,"end_sec":2759.91,"text":"Yeah. Yeah.","topics_json":"[]","vector_id":"vec_seg_97064_103","created_at":"2026-10-31T05:51:14Z","speaker_name":"Dr. Vilicia Cade"},{"id":"seg_97064_104","meeting_id":"97064","media_asset_id":"med_97064_34ae2960e8ae89f4","agenda_item_id":null,"speaker_id":"off_david_l_anderson","speaker_confidence":1,"start_sec":2759.91,"end_sec":2832.72,"text":"Thank you. Just, maybe we won't need it. I mean, to me, if you can do it debt-free, do it debt-free. Um but if you uh, you know, you're you're almost there if you need to, you know, complete something uh, conduit bonds, uh the city and county both have programs. Um maybe something to investigate, as well. Um, I'm going to well, I'm just going to say thank you for sake of time. I'm just going to yield, Mr. President.","topics_json":"[\"budget\"]","vector_id":"vec_seg_97064_104","created_at":"2026-10-31T05:51:14Z","speaker_name":"David L. 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And I'm sure Councilman Anderson with the conduit bonds, even though he brought it up, he's somebody you could talk to to figure out how to do it. And um, but my my question is as far—it looks like I can answer the question, but I just want to make sure that the age groups that you're targeting for for this for this project.","topics_json":"[]","vector_id":"vec_seg_97064_106","created_at":"2026-10-31T05:51:14Z","speaker_name":"Gerald L. Rocha, Sr."},{"id":"seg_97064_107","meeting_id":"97064","media_asset_id":"med_97064_34ae2960e8ae89f4","agenda_item_id":null,"speaker_id":"spk_97064_anya_lindsey_jenkins","speaker_confidence":0.95,"start_sec":2868.44,"end_sec":2879.3,"text":"Big Brothers Big Sisters of Delaware, we service from 8 to 18. So while what that's a that's a large range, but they would never they would never intertwine, if that makes sense.","topics_json":"[]","vector_id":"vec_seg_97064_107","created_at":"2026-10-31T05:51:14Z","speaker_name":"Anya Lindsey-Jenkins"},{"id":"seg_97064_108","meeting_id":"97064","media_asset_id":"med_97064_34ae2960e8ae89f4","agenda_item_id":null,"speaker_id":"off_gerald_l_rocha_sr","speaker_confidence":1,"start_sec":2879.3,"end_sec":2880.31,"text":"Understood, yeah.","topics_json":"[]","vector_id":"vec_seg_97064_108","created_at":"2026-10-31T05:51:14Z","speaker_name":"Gerald L. Rocha, Sr."},{"id":"seg_97064_109","meeting_id":"97064","media_asset_id":"med_97064_34ae2960e8ae89f4","agenda_item_id":null,"speaker_id":"spk_97064_anya_lindsey_jenkins","speaker_confidence":0.95,"start_sec":2880.31,"end_sec":2888.31,"text":"Um and that that particular media hub will be geared towards the older students or the older young people.","topics_json":"[]","vector_id":"vec_seg_97064_109","created_at":"2026-10-31T05:51:14Z","speaker_name":"Anya Lindsey-Jenkins"},{"id":"seg_97064_11","meeting_id":"97064","media_asset_id":"med_97064_34ae2960e8ae89f4","agenda_item_id":null,"speaker_id":"off_fred_a_neil","speaker_confidence":0.95,"start_sec":409.9,"end_sec":412.9,"text":"Ms. Gibson, was that your assistant helper?","topics_json":"[]","vector_id":"vec_seg_97064_11","created_at":"2026-10-31T05:51:14Z","speaker_name":"Fred A. 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Rocha, Sr."},{"id":"seg_97064_111","meeting_id":"97064","media_asset_id":"med_97064_34ae2960e8ae89f4","agenda_item_id":null,"speaker_id":"spk_97064_anya_lindsey_jenkins","speaker_confidence":0.95,"start_sec":2915.25,"end_sec":2919.24,"text":"We've had a high school a consistent high school uh program for—","topics_json":"[]","vector_id":"vec_seg_97064_111","created_at":"2026-10-31T05:51:14Z","speaker_name":"Anya Lindsey-Jenkins"},{"id":"seg_97064_112","meeting_id":"97064","media_asset_id":"med_97064_34ae2960e8ae89f4","agenda_item_id":null,"speaker_id":"spk_97064_dr_vilicia_cade","speaker_confidence":0.95,"start_sec":2919.24,"end_sec":2920.63,"text":"Don't don't mention how long you had it.","topics_json":"[]","vector_id":"vec_seg_97064_112","created_at":"2026-10-31T05:51:14Z","speaker_name":"Dr. Vilicia Cade"},{"id":"seg_97064_113","meeting_id":"97064","media_asset_id":"med_97064_34ae2960e8ae89f4","agenda_item_id":null,"speaker_id":"spk_97064_anya_lindsey_jenkins","speaker_confidence":0.95,"start_sec":2920.63,"end_sec":3010.7,"text":"For for 5 years now. Well, we've always we've always um had serviced older uh students. It's harder to get mentors from time for the older kids, so we started in about 5 years ago doing more group mentoring with them. More workforce, um, readiness. We have a program called Beyond School Walls that's very successful that we've been running in Howard High School now um for about 4 years. And we graduated about 17 kids to college last year, which was our first initial year of having them for 4 years. So our goal is to bring that to Dover, as well. That Beyond School Walls program brings in um local community members that have businesses and, you know, they get to tell their story, because we know that um getting through college or finding a career is not black and white, right? It can It can have many roads. So it's good for young people to know the options in front of them. So that is one of our most successful programs right now, and it is a group mentoring, workforce readiness and career training program. Um it's been very successful. We've had partners at for JP Morgan Chase, Bank of America, um local businesses throughout the Wilmington area. So we're hoping to do that here as well. Uh we chose Kent County for our hub because we felt like it was the middle of the state, and you know, we had young people here. We heard their cry. They wanted something to do, right? So we that will be our home base as well. We'll be in and and you can have your mentoring near it, too. We want to have activities for Bigs and Littles as well. So that site will be the home for that. We have a cooking class. You can take your mentee and you go to cooking class with them. So that's the goal is to have a hub where they can connect and feel safe.","topics_json":"[\"business\"]","vector_id":"vec_seg_97064_113","created_at":"2026-10-31T05:51:14Z","speaker_name":"Anya Lindsey-Jenkins"},{"id":"seg_97064_114","meeting_id":"97064","media_asset_id":"med_97064_34ae2960e8ae89f4","agenda_item_id":null,"speaker_id":"off_gerald_l_rocha_sr","speaker_confidence":1,"start_sec":3010.7,"end_sec":3013.75,"text":"Awesome. I like it. Thank you. I yield.","topics_json":"[]","vector_id":"vec_seg_97064_114","created_at":"2026-10-31T05:51:14Z","speaker_name":"Gerald L. Rocha, Sr."},{"id":"seg_97064_115","meeting_id":"97064","media_asset_id":"med_97064_34ae2960e8ae89f4","agenda_item_id":null,"speaker_id":"off_fred_a_neil","speaker_confidence":1,"start_sec":3013.75,"end_sec":3086.33,"text":"Any other questions? Then I have some. Um one, I couldn't agree with you more. I think basically to be able to get young minds to be able to reach out and touch different things in their lives and get them excited about it. The biggest problem, I think, is what Councilman Anderson has already uh talked about, is transportation. We have families who come here on open forum saying, 'My kids What are you doing for my kids? What are you doing for my kids?' The facilities are there. Getting them there to be able to participate is the biggest problem we have, whether it's in the Fourth District, or in the Third District, or any district. This is the problem when you have mothers or fathers who either are otherwise engaged, do not have the time, do not have the chance to get the kids there. If we got to get the kids there, and we got to get them back safe. That is the biggest problem that we have. And unfortunately, the City Charter does not provide for this. It's not in the charter. We do have our parks and recreation, but we still have the problem: how do we get those kids where they need to be? And so that's something that we have to figure out, because that's where our problem lies. And we wish you the best, and thank you for what you're doing. Are there any other questions? Thank you for your presentation. Yes.","topics_json":"[]","vector_id":"vec_seg_97064_115","created_at":"2026-10-31T05:51:14Z","speaker_name":"Fred A. 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So thank you.","topics_json":"[]","vector_id":"vec_seg_97064_116","created_at":"2026-10-31T05:51:14Z","speaker_name":"Dr. Vilicia Cade"},{"id":"seg_97064_117","meeting_id":"97064","media_asset_id":"med_97064_34ae2960e8ae89f4","agenda_item_id":null,"speaker_id":"off_fred_a_neil","speaker_confidence":1,"start_sec":3143.1,"end_sec":3151.1,"text":"Thank you for your presentation. Last word?","topics_json":"[]","vector_id":"vec_seg_97064_117","created_at":"2026-10-31T05:51:14Z","speaker_name":"Fred A. Neil"},{"id":"seg_97064_118","meeting_id":"97064","media_asset_id":"med_97064_34ae2960e8ae89f4","agenda_item_id":null,"speaker_id":"off_andre_m_boggerty","speaker_confidence":1,"start_sec":3151.1,"end_sec":3155.24,"text":"Thank you all. I'll be following up and we'll make sense via email. Thank you.","topics_json":"[]","vector_id":"vec_seg_97064_118","created_at":"2026-10-31T05:51:14Z","speaker_name":"Andre M. Boggerty"},{"id":"seg_97064_119","meeting_id":"97064","media_asset_id":"med_97064_34ae2960e8ae89f4","agenda_item_id":null,"speaker_id":"spk_97064_anya_lindsey_jenkins","speaker_confidence":0.95,"start_sec":3155.24,"end_sec":3158.45,"text":"We'll get that transportation thing handled.","topics_json":"[]","vector_id":"vec_seg_97064_119","created_at":"2026-10-31T05:51:14Z","speaker_name":"Anya Lindsey-Jenkins"},{"id":"seg_97064_12","meeting_id":"97064","media_asset_id":"med_97064_34ae2960e8ae89f4","agenda_item_id":null,"speaker_id":"spk_97064_deniera_gibson_um","speaker_confidence":0.95,"start_sec":413.2,"end_sec":414.2,"text":"Yes.","topics_json":"[]","vector_id":"vec_seg_97064_12","created_at":"2026-10-31T05:51:14Z","speaker_name":"DeNiera Gibson. Um"},{"id":"seg_97064_120","meeting_id":"97064","media_asset_id":"med_97064_34ae2960e8ae89f4","agenda_item_id":null,"speaker_id":"off_andre_m_boggerty","speaker_confidence":1,"start_sec":3158.45,"end_sec":3160.89,"text":"Thank you.","topics_json":"[]","vector_id":"vec_seg_97064_120","created_at":"2026-10-31T05:51:14Z","speaker_name":"Andre M. Boggerty"},{"id":"seg_97064_121","meeting_id":"97064","media_asset_id":"med_97064_34ae2960e8ae89f4","agenda_item_id":null,"speaker_id":"off_fred_a_neil","speaker_confidence":1,"start_sec":3160.89,"end_sec":3165.63,"text":"Thank you. Next on the agenda we have council reports, and we'll start with—","topics_json":"[]","vector_id":"vec_seg_97064_121","created_at":"2026-10-31T05:51:14Z","speaker_name":"Fred A. Neil"},{"id":"seg_97064_122","meeting_id":"97064","media_asset_id":"med_97064_34ae2960e8ae89f4","agenda_item_id":null,"speaker_id":"off_andre_m_boggerty","speaker_confidence":1,"start_sec":3165.63,"end_sec":3167.02,"text":"We have one more presentation.","topics_json":"[]","vector_id":"vec_seg_97064_122","created_at":"2026-10-31T05:51:14Z","speaker_name":"Andre M. Boggerty"},{"id":"seg_97064_123","meeting_id":"97064","media_asset_id":"med_97064_34ae2960e8ae89f4","agenda_item_id":null,"speaker_id":"off_fred_a_neil","speaker_confidence":1,"start_sec":3167.02,"end_sec":3179.42,"text":"Sorry about One more, Network Connect. Sorry about that Councilman Boggerty. Uh and Cierra Hall-Hipkins, the executive director.","topics_json":"[]","vector_id":"vec_seg_97064_123","created_at":"2026-10-31T05:51:14Z","speaker_name":"Fred A. Neil"},{"id":"seg_97064_124","meeting_id":"97064","media_asset_id":"med_97064_34ae2960e8ae89f4","agenda_item_id":null,"speaker_id":"spk_97064_the_founder_and_executive","speaker_confidence":0.95,"start_sec":3179.42,"end_sec":3182.91,"text":"Yeah. Good evening, council.","topics_json":"[]","vector_id":"vec_seg_97064_124","created_at":"2026-10-31T05:51:14Z","speaker_name":"the founder and executive"},{"id":"seg_97064_125","meeting_id":"97064","media_asset_id":"med_97064_34ae2960e8ae89f4","agenda_item_id":null,"speaker_id":"spk_97064_nathan_mcalister","speaker_confidence":0.95,"start_sec":3182.91,"end_sec":3206.66,"text":"Good evening, council. I am Nathan McAlister. I serve as the program development manager at Network Connect, where our mission is to create community change through collective impact. So I would like to thank you um for giving us the opportunity to present before you tonight. I have some literature that I'm going to share with you and hand it out to you all so you can take a deeper dive look, and Cierra Hall-Hipkins is going to present on some of our programming. So thank you.","topics_json":"[]","vector_id":"vec_seg_97064_125","created_at":"2026-10-31T05:51:14Z","speaker_name":"Nathan McAlister"},{"id":"seg_97064_126","meeting_id":"97064","media_asset_id":"med_97064_34ae2960e8ae89f4","agenda_item_id":null,"speaker_id":"spk_97064_the_founder_and_executive","speaker_confidence":0.95,"start_sec":3206.66,"end_sec":3303.94,"text":"Thank you, Mr. McAlister. Good evening. So, I'm going to dive right in and um talk to you a little bit about Network Connect. We're a statewide serving agency. I am the founder and executive director for Network Connect. We started our work in 2019 by being the network connecting communities to needed resources. And so if you go to the next slide, we'll talk a little bit about what those resources are and what are the programs. Under our umbrella, we have a total of seven programs. Nathan is passing out our year-in-review as well as a program overview um for our evidence-based programming. So our RACE to Wellness program started in 2019, as well. It's actually born from the brains of teenagers in this in the New Castle County area, where we started distributing mental health uh awareness kits. So that's what you see in the video and in the picture there. Um those kits help young people create a safe space no matter where they are. The CDC sends us pamphlets um that we put in the kit to educate family and young people around adverse childhood experiences, as well as we partner with local artists and therapists to put information in the kits to provide to the young people. The kit has all tangible coping mechanisms, so journals, um a journal prompts, um stress balls, jump ropes, different things depending on the season, to help young people see that you can combat ACEs by building skill, but also doing fun activities um to help with trauma. Next slide, please.","topics_json":"[\"public_safety\"]","vector_id":"vec_seg_97064_126","created_at":"2026-10-31T05:51:14Z","speaker_name":"the founder and executive"},{"id":"seg_97064_127","meeting_id":"97064","media_asset_id":"med_97064_34ae2960e8ae89f4","agenda_item_id":null,"speaker_id":"spk_97064_the_founder_and_executive","speaker_confidence":0.95,"start_sec":3303.94,"end_sec":3423.38,"text":"The RACE program operates in both New Castle County and Dover. Um we also go into elementary schools, South Dover Elementary and formerly East Dover, um to to bring healing activities to those young people, and they all receive RACE kits um after their training. Um they spend about 8 weeks with our facilitators, and then they graduate into um another part of the work within the school. Currently right now, our Future Culture Creators program is also a statewide program where we serve young people, high school students, ages 14 to 18. They are paid to come and learn workforce development skills. The hard skill for them is civic engagement. So they spend time at um Dover's um Leg Hall, um policy advocating, and they also put on a town hall themselves, youth-led and youth-run, using the IDEATE process. Um we've graduated over 150 young people from this program. They're actually in our office tonight um at 20 East Division Street. Um they're getting ready to leave at 7:00, so they're on the clock working. They the Dover uh cohort will host a town hall on February 3rd, thank you, um from 5:00 to 7:30 um at the 20 East Division Street location. We welcome anyone to come out and be a part to see what these young people have built themselves from start to finish. The unique part of this program is these young people are with us, they're paid to do that civic engagement, but they're also learning how to resume write, how to use the IDEATE process, um interview skills, and when they're finished with us, we place them in employment across the state, and then we follow them for an additional 90 days to make sure that employment sticks, and they have mentorship as they're transitioning into workforce. Next slide, please.","topics_json":"[\"business\"]","vector_id":"vec_seg_97064_127","created_at":"2026-10-31T05:51:14Z","speaker_name":"the founder and executive"},{"id":"seg_97064_128","meeting_id":"97064","media_asset_id":"med_97064_34ae2960e8ae89f4","agenda_item_id":null,"speaker_id":"spk_97064_the_founder_and_executive","speaker_confidence":0.95,"start_sec":3423.38,"end_sec":3615.99,"text":"Our Community Wellbeing Ambassador program is one of our largest. Network Connect is a team of 57 throughout the state. We serve all three counties. We have uh hubs in New Castle, Kent, and Sussex County. Our hope is that we will make Kent County our headquartering hub. Right now, New Castle County operates as such. So we are starting a capital campaign to bring our work um our headquarters here to Dover. The Community Wellbeing Ambassadors in Kent County are is a program that's funded through Department of um Substance Abuse and Mental Health. All of our ambassadors are trained, certified community health workers. What make What makes them different from community health workers is they focus on behavioral health. So they are uh presenting, in the packet you have, you see a flyer for Skills for Psychological Recovery. It's an evidence-based um model where our ambassadors are going out into community, teaching that skill one-on-one in homes, in coffee shops, on the corner, wherever we find our community member, which identifies their pressing need, helping them to stay into recovery or to initiate recovery or mental health services. Um just a little bit of numbers, uh I told you about Future Culture Creators. For 2024, this op program has operated since 2022, we have several host site partners like the uh DSU, People's uh Community People's Church, different places, uh Food Bank of Delaware throughout the state. Um we this program has already served in the year 2024 508 548 individuals, meaning ambassadors hold a caseload for at least 90 days connecting people to the Skills for Psychological Recovery as well as uh connecting them to a pressing need. A total number of interactions throughout our last year in 2024, we served over over We had over 958 interactions with individuals. We've distributed 600 Narcan kits in Kent County itself, and we've trained over 403 individuals in Narcan distribution. We've also saved, in the last 90 days, we've uh initiated 75 reversals in Kent County alone and trained um barbershops, churches, farmers market, food banks, any partner that we can get our hands on in Narcan um distribution and and and asking them to hold Narcan on site. We also um in this program have uh not only partnership with the host sites, we have community partners like the DMV, um uh upstate different ShopRites and um uh Food Lions, so that we can connect with people as they're in their everyday walks of life to help initiate those Skills for Psychological Recovery trainings. Each ambassador, again, is trained um as a community health worker, certified through our state CHW programming, and they are also trained in um trauma-informed care, which we like to call trauma resiliency, as well as a number—","topics_json":"[\"public_safety\"]","vector_id":"vec_seg_97064_128","created_at":"2026-10-31T05:51:14Z","speaker_name":"the founder and executive"},{"id":"seg_97064_129","meeting_id":"97064","media_asset_id":"med_97064_34ae2960e8ae89f4","agenda_item_id":null,"speaker_id":"spk_97064_presenter","speaker_confidence":0.95,"start_sec":3615.98,"end_sec":3625.38,"text":"of other professional development. Each week we spend a day in some sort of professional development before dispatching them out into the community. Next slide, please.","topics_json":"[]","vector_id":"vec_seg_97064_129","created_at":"2026-10-31T05:51:14Z","speaker_name":null},{"id":"seg_97064_13","meeting_id":"97064","media_asset_id":"med_97064_34ae2960e8ae89f4","agenda_item_id":null,"speaker_id":"off_fred_a_neil","speaker_confidence":0.95,"start_sec":414.4,"end_sec":421.3,"text":"If she wishes to come and make the presentation, she's certainly welcome to do so, but we we're we're anxious to hear the presentation. So, the floor is yours.","topics_json":"[]","vector_id":"vec_seg_97064_13","created_at":"2026-10-31T05:51:14Z","speaker_name":"Fred A. 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This program has served 98 students throughout the state.","topics_json":"[\"business\"]","vector_id":"vec_seg_97064_130","created_at":"2026-10-31T05:51:14Z","speaker_name":null},{"id":"seg_97064_131","meeting_id":"97064","media_asset_id":"med_97064_34ae2960e8ae89f4","agenda_item_id":null,"speaker_id":"spk_97064_presenter","speaker_confidence":0.95,"start_sec":3669.58,"end_sec":3773.98,"text":"Our Wilmington Street Team is in partnership with the city of Wilmington. Everything we do is collective impact, so there are multiple partners. In the Wilmington Street Team, we are partnered with Center for Structural Equity and myself, as well as the city of Wilmington, where we are trained. So we have 10 individuals who are trained in high-risk interventionists, community public safety professionals. I myself are also trained in CPSI. We are dispatched into northeast and east Wilmington neighborhoods where we respond to violent events and advocate for both the victim and the perp to stop any retaliation once an event has happened. We also have hub houses in each part of the city where people can come and connect with food resources, victim services, counseling. We have a PCP on-site once a month, a dentist on-site once a month, and several other services that operate out of that out of those two hub houses. Our goal, and the reason why I'm speaking to you about this tonight, is that we would like to bring a program similar to this to Dover, based on your current stats and what you've been experiencing in our state.","topics_json":"[\"public_safety\"]","vector_id":"vec_seg_97064_131","created_at":"2026-10-31T05:51:14Z","speaker_name":null},{"id":"seg_97064_132","meeting_id":"97064","media_asset_id":"med_97064_34ae2960e8ae89f4","agenda_item_id":null,"speaker_id":"spk_97064_presenter","speaker_confidence":0.95,"start_sec":3777.68,"end_sec":3873.58,"text":"And because we already have trained individuals who are actually working in the Kent County area, it only makes sense for Dover City Council to support bringing this work in. We serve from cradle to cane in this program, meaning some of our perpetrators or our victims might be young people, and we do not turn them away. The ambassadors—I'm sorry, the high-risk interventionists also keep a caseload, especially of violence intervention situations where we have people who have been hurt, we will follow them for an additional 90 days to make sure they're connected to the needed services. We have an emergency fund attached to this, and we put we host community engagement events on a monthly basis. In this program, we've already served 500 people in those two areas, and we've seen crime decrease in both of the areas that we are serving by more than 10%.","topics_json":"[\"public_safety\"]","vector_id":"vec_seg_97064_132","created_at":"2026-10-31T05:51:14Z","speaker_name":null},{"id":"seg_97064_133","meeting_id":"97064","media_asset_id":"med_97064_34ae2960e8ae89f4","agenda_item_id":null,"speaker_id":"spk_97064_presenter","speaker_confidence":0.95,"start_sec":3873.58,"end_sec":3874.98,"text":"Next slide, please.","topics_json":"[]","vector_id":"vec_seg_97064_133","created_at":"2026-10-31T05:51:14Z","speaker_name":null},{"id":"seg_97064_134","meeting_id":"97064","media_asset_id":"med_97064_34ae2960e8ae89f4","agenda_item_id":null,"speaker_id":"spk_97064_presenter","speaker_confidence":0.95,"start_sec":3916.88,"end_sec":3964.08,"text":"Our Recovery Cafe is housed right here in Kent County, 20 East Division Street. We are a part of the Recovery Cafe Network, so we are supported by the national agency. Our Recovery Cafe is open on the weekends and on Thursdays and Fridays. People who are in their recovery can come in, have a cup of coffee, have cake or any food item that we have, but they we're hosting regular meetings. So NA and AA, as well as circles. Circles are therapeutic, evidence-based circles bought in by the cafe network. Currently, there are over 22 cafe members, and we're looking to grow that number. And that's another reason why we're here tonight telling you about that work.","topics_json":"[]","vector_id":"vec_seg_97064_134","created_at":"2026-10-31T05:51:14Z","speaker_name":null},{"id":"seg_97064_135","meeting_id":"97064","media_asset_id":"med_97064_34ae2960e8ae89f4","agenda_item_id":null,"speaker_id":"spk_97064_presenter","speaker_confidence":0.95,"start_sec":3964.08,"end_sec":3965.48,"text":"Next slide, please.","topics_json":"[]","vector_id":"vec_seg_97064_135","created_at":"2026-10-31T05:51:14Z","speaker_name":null},{"id":"seg_97064_136","meeting_id":"97064","media_asset_id":"med_97064_34ae2960e8ae89f4","agenda_item_id":null,"speaker_id":"spk_97064_presenter","speaker_confidence":0.95,"start_sec":3967.88,"end_sec":4028.28,"text":"So I would encourage you guys to visit our website and take a look at all of the things we have. One thing that I didn't mention because it's not on the slide is our Bridge program, so we've been helping people sign up for affordable college throughout the state of Delaware with connection to Indiana Wesleyan University, and I'll take any questions you have.","topics_json":"[]","vector_id":"vec_seg_97064_136","created_at":"2026-10-31T05:51:14Z","speaker_name":null},{"id":"seg_97064_137","meeting_id":"97064","media_asset_id":"med_97064_34ae2960e8ae89f4","agenda_item_id":null,"speaker_id":"off_fred_a_neil","speaker_confidence":0.95,"start_sec":4028.78,"end_sec":4030.68,"text":"Questions? Councilman Rocha.","topics_json":"[]","vector_id":"vec_seg_97064_137","created_at":"2026-10-31T05:51:14Z","speaker_name":"Fred A. Neil"},{"id":"seg_97064_138","meeting_id":"97064","media_asset_id":"med_97064_34ae2960e8ae89f4","agenda_item_id":null,"speaker_id":"off_gerald_l_rocha_sr","speaker_confidence":0.95,"start_sec":4031.38,"end_sec":4054.28,"text":"Yeah, quick question. Thank you, Council President. Great presentation. One of one of the programs in here that that I connected with is is the RACE program. Cuz when I was growing up, RACE was a big deal in my community. But one of the things that I participated was in was the Summer Olympics.","topics_json":"[]","vector_id":"vec_seg_97064_138","created_at":"2026-10-31T05:51:14Z","speaker_name":"Gerald L. Rocha, Sr."},{"id":"seg_97064_139","meeting_id":"97064","media_asset_id":"med_97064_34ae2960e8ae89f4","agenda_item_id":null,"speaker_id":"spk_97064_presenter","speaker_confidence":0.95,"start_sec":4054.28,"end_sec":4055.08,"text":"Mmhmm. Yes.","topics_json":"[]","vector_id":"vec_seg_97064_139","created_at":"2026-10-31T05:51:14Z","speaker_name":null},{"id":"seg_97064_14","meeting_id":"97064","media_asset_id":"med_97064_34ae2960e8ae89f4","agenda_item_id":null,"speaker_id":"spk_97064_deniera_gibson_um","speaker_confidence":0.95,"start_sec":421.5,"end_sec":444.8,"text":"Excellent. Excellent. Well, first and foremost, thank you, Mr. Wilson. I'm very, very excited um to talk to you all about Booted and Suited Career Academy. Um I'm going to go ahead and read our mission statement, um but before I do that, I do want to go ahead and pass around some materials for reference for everyone. Um these are just some photos and a signed petition for your reference.","topics_json":"[]","vector_id":"vec_seg_97064_14","created_at":"2026-10-31T05:51:14Z","speaker_name":"DeNiera Gibson. Um"},{"id":"seg_97064_140","meeting_id":"97064","media_asset_id":"med_97064_34ae2960e8ae89f4","agenda_item_id":null,"speaker_id":"off_gerald_l_rocha_sr","speaker_confidence":0.95,"start_sec":4055.48,"end_sec":4130.78,"text":"I don't know if they still do that anymore, but that would be nice to bring that. Because that was that it was a competition, but it was also an outside activity and barbecue where the community all came together. And, you know, I'm from Long Island originally, so we competed against other towns on Long Island, and we met in a central location. And Dover is a is a central location to Delaware. I think that would be an awesome opportunity to bring and and also bring the community together, and offer the physical fitness of it and that kind of thing.","topics_json":"[]","vector_id":"vec_seg_97064_140","created_at":"2026-10-31T05:51:14Z","speaker_name":"Gerald L. Rocha, Sr."},{"id":"seg_97064_141","meeting_id":"97064","media_asset_id":"med_97064_34ae2960e8ae89f4","agenda_item_id":null,"speaker_id":"spk_97064_presenter","speaker_confidence":0.95,"start_sec":4131.08,"end_sec":4245.98,"text":"I 100% agree. We've mirrored that, so I didn't speak about this. We host a RACE camp in Wilmington, where we serve young people who have been affected by trauma. It's free of charge. We find a funder to bring in. And the last summer, we hosted with 50 young people. The summer before that, we hosted with the entire Red Clay School District, which was a feat. But what we what we do is similar, because I, too, was a part I was a volunteer for Special Olympics. So the young people spend their summer learning ACEs, but also recovery not not necessarily substance use, but mental health recovery tools. And then they also—oh, and we and of course, there's an academic piece. We wouldn't be able to—we do reading and Book Nook. We partner with a lot of, like, United Way and the school districts. But the fun part is what you're saying. We host a parent engagement on a monthly basis, and then we have young people come, they compete, the parents sometimes compete, with what we call RACE Days. And we also have each RACE camp at the end of camp, they have an awards ceremony where they're also competing with each other in their different clubs. So very similar to what you're speaking about is embedded in the RACE Camp program. And thank you.","topics_json":"[]","vector_id":"vec_seg_97064_141","created_at":"2026-10-31T05:51:14Z","speaker_name":null},{"id":"seg_97064_142","meeting_id":"97064","media_asset_id":"med_97064_34ae2960e8ae89f4","agenda_item_id":null,"speaker_id":"off_gerald_l_rocha_sr","speaker_confidence":0.95,"start_sec":4246.08,"end_sec":4247.88,"text":"That's awesome. That's awesome. Love to hear more.","topics_json":"[]","vector_id":"vec_seg_97064_142","created_at":"2026-10-31T05:51:14Z","speaker_name":"Gerald L. Rocha, Sr."},{"id":"seg_97064_143","meeting_id":"97064","media_asset_id":"med_97064_34ae2960e8ae89f4","agenda_item_id":null,"speaker_id":"spk_97064_presenter","speaker_confidence":0.95,"start_sec":4248.08,"end_sec":4250.28,"text":"We want to bring it to Dover. We need your help.","topics_json":"[]","vector_id":"vec_seg_97064_143","created_at":"2026-10-31T05:51:14Z","speaker_name":null},{"id":"seg_97064_144","meeting_id":"97064","media_asset_id":"med_97064_34ae2960e8ae89f4","agenda_item_id":null,"speaker_id":"off_gerald_l_rocha_sr","speaker_confidence":0.95,"start_sec":4250.38,"end_sec":4251.78,"text":"Absolutely. Thank you.","topics_json":"[]","vector_id":"vec_seg_97064_144","created_at":"2026-10-31T05:51:14Z","speaker_name":"Gerald L. Rocha, Sr."},{"id":"seg_97064_145","meeting_id":"97064","media_asset_id":"med_97064_34ae2960e8ae89f4","agenda_item_id":null,"speaker_id":"off_fred_a_neil","speaker_confidence":0.95,"start_sec":4252.08,"end_sec":4253.18,"text":"Councilman Boggerty.","topics_json":"[]","vector_id":"vec_seg_97064_145","created_at":"2026-10-31T05:51:14Z","speaker_name":"Fred A. 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Boggerty"},{"id":"seg_97064_147","meeting_id":"97064","media_asset_id":"med_97064_34ae2960e8ae89f4","agenda_item_id":null,"speaker_id":"spk_97064_presenter","speaker_confidence":0.95,"start_sec":4273.48,"end_sec":4275.08,"text":"Absolutely, we're a second-chance agency.","topics_json":"[]","vector_id":"vec_seg_97064_147","created_at":"2026-10-31T05:51:14Z","speaker_name":null},{"id":"seg_97064_148","meeting_id":"97064","media_asset_id":"med_97064_34ae2960e8ae89f4","agenda_item_id":null,"speaker_id":"off_andre_m_boggerty","speaker_confidence":0.95,"start_sec":4275.08,"end_sec":4365.78,"text":"They are a second-chance employee employer. And attending the meetings, they have a passion. They have an investment to to do the right things. And and again, them they being right in Dover and looking to expand, I I'm grateful. They have a summer camp, I believe, as well. We've been able to give some commun- I've been able to get some community funds to. But again, thank you so we can get back to giving our children and our young people things to do. Between yourself, between the Boys & Girls Club, and there's another program who we have present, it's it's you all who are going to continue to make the difference by engaging individuals who are young and in on second chances. Thank you for your success. Thank you for your time. You're a very busy person, so I I thank you. I yield.","topics_json":"[]","vector_id":"vec_seg_97064_148","created_at":"2026-10-31T05:51:14Z","speaker_name":"Andre M. Boggerty"},{"id":"seg_97064_149","meeting_id":"97064","media_asset_id":"med_97064_34ae2960e8ae89f4","agenda_item_id":null,"speaker_id":"spk_97064_presenter","speaker_confidence":0.95,"start_sec":4366.08,"end_sec":4369.78,"text":"Thank you for your support, Councilman. It means a lot to us as an agency.","topics_json":"[]","vector_id":"vec_seg_97064_149","created_at":"2026-10-31T05:51:14Z","speaker_name":null},{"id":"seg_97064_15","meeting_id":"97064","media_asset_id":"med_97064_34ae2960e8ae89f4","agenda_item_id":null,"speaker_id":"spk_97064_bobby_wilson","speaker_confidence":0.95,"start_sec":448.9,"end_sec":517.9,"text":"The photos are from um our mentoring program, which is Vision, Downtown Vision in Wilmington, Delaware. Um Mr. Mike from Vision, um he's helping us with this program here in Dover. It's going to be the same type of program, boots on the ground, uh two different shifts, uh clean up Downtown Dover with all this surrounding activities, first First Friday and all the activities to go along with it.","topics_json":"[]","vector_id":"vec_seg_97064_15","created_at":"2026-10-31T05:51:14Z","speaker_name":"Bobby Wilson"},{"id":"seg_97064_150","meeting_id":"97064","media_asset_id":"med_97064_34ae2960e8ae89f4","agenda_item_id":null,"speaker_id":"off_fred_a_neil","speaker_confidence":0.95,"start_sec":4370.68,"end_sec":4373.78,"text":"Any other Oh, yes. Councilman Anderson.","topics_json":"[]","vector_id":"vec_seg_97064_150","created_at":"2026-10-31T05:51:14Z","speaker_name":"Fred A. Neil"},{"id":"seg_97064_151","meeting_id":"97064","media_asset_id":"med_97064_34ae2960e8ae89f4","agenda_item_id":null,"speaker_id":"off_david_l_anderson","speaker_confidence":0.95,"start_sec":4374.28,"end_sec":4427.88,"text":"Thank you, Mr. President. For sake of time, I'm going to be really quick, and hopefully we'll be able to talk some other time in the near future. But you had me at 10% crime reduction. I yield.","topics_json":"[\"public_safety\"]","vector_id":"vec_seg_97064_151","created_at":"2026-10-31T05:51:14Z","speaker_name":"David L. Anderson"},{"id":"seg_97064_152","meeting_id":"97064","media_asset_id":"med_97064_34ae2960e8ae89f4","agenda_item_id":null,"speaker_id":"spk_97064_presenter","speaker_confidence":0.95,"start_sec":4428.48,"end_sec":4429.98,"text":"Look me up! Look me up!","topics_json":"[]","vector_id":"vec_seg_97064_152","created_at":"2026-10-31T05:51:14Z","speaker_name":null},{"id":"seg_97064_153","meeting_id":"97064","media_asset_id":"med_97064_34ae2960e8ae89f4","agenda_item_id":null,"speaker_id":"spk_97064_presenter","speaker_confidence":0.95,"start_sec":4430.68,"end_sec":4432.08,"text":"Yes, I think the work that has—","topics_json":"[]","vector_id":"vec_seg_97064_153","created_at":"2026-10-31T05:51:14Z","speaker_name":null},{"id":"seg_97064_154","meeting_id":"97064","media_asset_id":"med_97064_34ae2960e8ae89f4","agenda_item_id":null,"speaker_id":"off_david_l_anderson","speaker_confidence":0.95,"start_sec":4432.28,"end_sec":4433.48,"text":"They say, \"Google me.\"","topics_json":"[]","vector_id":"vec_seg_97064_154","created_at":"2026-10-31T05:51:14Z","speaker_name":"David L. Anderson"},{"id":"seg_97064_155","meeting_id":"97064","media_asset_id":"med_97064_34ae2960e8ae89f4","agenda_item_id":null,"speaker_id":"spk_97064_presenter","speaker_confidence":0.95,"start_sec":4433.58,"end_sec":4436.18,"text":"Google me. That's what the young people say, right?","topics_json":"[]","vector_id":"vec_seg_97064_155","created_at":"2026-10-31T05:51:14Z","speaker_name":null},{"id":"seg_97064_156","meeting_id":"97064","media_asset_id":"med_97064_34ae2960e8ae89f4","agenda_item_id":null,"speaker_id":"spk_97064_presenter","speaker_confidence":0.95,"start_sec":4436.58,"end_sec":4463.38,"text":"I I would say that we don't do it alone. We don't claim that crime reduction only on our own. In partnership with WPD, Center for Structural Equity, GBI—I saw some of their LIT members in here tonight. We collaborate with those people to make sure that we're all working together, victim services. But I will toot the horn and say that my team has been instrumental in being on the ground and available when those violent those violent events happen. So thank you, sir. Thank you for the recognition.","topics_json":"[\"public_safety\"]","vector_id":"vec_seg_97064_156","created_at":"2026-10-31T05:51:14Z","speaker_name":null},{"id":"seg_97064_157","meeting_id":"97064","media_asset_id":"med_97064_34ae2960e8ae89f4","agenda_item_id":null,"speaker_id":"off_fred_a_neil","speaker_confidence":0.95,"start_sec":4465.48,"end_sec":4475.88,"text":"Any additional questions? Seeing none, want to thank you very much for your presentation. We do appreciate you and do appreciate what you're doing. Thank you.","topics_json":"[]","vector_id":"vec_seg_97064_157","created_at":"2026-10-31T05:51:14Z","speaker_name":"Fred A. 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Ladies and gentlemen, if you will read along with me. As a longtime resident, advocate, and volunteer of the city of Dover, Delaware, I, Bobby Wilson, CEO and founder of Booted and Suited Career Academy, would like to offer a proposal for a comprehensive community-based program. This program is intended to assist our great capital city, Dover, Delaware, in its growth and continued work towards harmony and cohesion with downtown residents and businesses. The program will focus on three areas of significance in the heart of our city. We'll aim to make downtown safer, cleaner, and greener. As leadership concentrates on advancement, modernization, and becoming more competitive with similar cities, Booted and Suited is prepared to do our part to encourage and strengthen downtown business profits and community engagement. We're eager to provide services to work with the downtown leadership in its efforts and goals for the future. Booted and Suited is determined to add value to Dover, and we look forward to aiding now and into the future.","topics_json":"[\"public_safety\",\"business\"]","vector_id":"vec_seg_97064_16","created_at":"2026-10-31T05:51:14Z","speaker_name":"DeNiera Gibson. Um"},{"id":"seg_97064_160","meeting_id":"97064","media_asset_id":"med_97064_34ae2960e8ae89f4","agenda_item_id":null,"speaker_id":"off_julia_m_pillsbury","speaker_confidence":0.95,"start_sec":4488.18,"end_sec":4508.38,"text":"Thank you. I participated in the city's Christmas activities in December. And I am very limited in getting around because of my inability to drive currently, but I will come to anything that I can arrange. Thank you.","topics_json":"[]","vector_id":"vec_seg_97064_160","created_at":"2026-10-31T05:51:14Z","speaker_name":"Julia M. Pillsbury"},{"id":"seg_97064_161","meeting_id":"97064","media_asset_id":"med_97064_34ae2960e8ae89f4","agenda_item_id":null,"speaker_id":"off_fred_a_neil","speaker_confidence":0.95,"start_sec":4511.78,"end_sec":4513.78,"text":"Now we have Councilman Rocha.","topics_json":"[]","vector_id":"vec_seg_97064_161","created_at":"2026-10-31T05:51:14Z","speaker_name":"Fred A. Neil"},{"id":"seg_97064_162","meeting_id":"97064","media_asset_id":"med_97064_34ae2960e8ae89f4","agenda_item_id":null,"speaker_id":"off_gerald_l_rocha_sr","speaker_confidence":0.95,"start_sec":4514.28,"end_sec":4519.98,"text":"Yes, sir, thank you. Really, you know, with the holidays and everything, just, you know, venturing out for","topics_json":"[]","vector_id":"vec_seg_97064_162","created_at":"2026-10-31T05:51:14Z","speaker_name":"Gerald L. Rocha, Sr."},{"id":"seg_97064_163","meeting_id":"97064","media_asset_id":"med_97064_34ae2960e8ae89f4","agenda_item_id":null,"speaker_id":"off_david_l_anderson","speaker_confidence":0.98,"start_sec":4519.98,"end_sec":4547.75,"text":"their community uh transportation funding uh if that railroad kickets, there are uh autistic children and the like who um who will be safer because of that. And and I I definitely want to be thank them for that. Then the uh and also um got to thank the uh Public Works Department uh for their work on some important uh utility work, particularly uh uh urgent uh water and wastewater replacement uh that that has to take place uh uh downtown in the and that's um and I will yield because of uh time. Thank you, Mr. President.","topics_json":"[\"public_safety\",\"budget\"]","vector_id":"vec_seg_97064_163","created_at":"2026-10-31T05:51:14Z","speaker_name":"David L. Anderson"},{"id":"seg_97064_164","meeting_id":"97064","media_asset_id":"med_97064_34ae2960e8ae89f4","agenda_item_id":null,"speaker_id":"off_fred_a_neil","speaker_confidence":0.99,"start_sec":4547.75,"end_sec":4549.25,"text":"Dr. Sudler.","topics_json":"[]","vector_id":"vec_seg_97064_164","created_at":"2026-10-31T05:51:14Z","speaker_name":"Fred A. Neil"},{"id":"seg_97064_165","meeting_id":"97064","media_asset_id":"med_97064_34ae2960e8ae89f4","agenda_item_id":null,"speaker_id":"off_roy_sudler_jr","speaker_confidence":0.98,"start_sec":4549.25,"end_sec":4642.96,"text":"Thank you, Council President Neil, for recognizing me. Um I received quite a few phone calls in regards to sewer line infrastructure near the Lincoln Park area, particularly near Circle Road. Uh Miss Berry gave me a call stating that she spent between $10 to $12,000 having to replace her sewer line infrastructure and that there seems to be some type of discrepancy in regards to where it hooks up from the city to the private owner and I think about five or six other property owners are going through that. So, we've been trying to help her uh address that and and see where we are and and and get some information, some more information, so we can get that to Public Works to see how we can accommodate her or to see how we can um prevent something in the future from happening like that. Uh also been receiving some phone calls in regards to um crushing concrete or crushing um asphalt in the city of Dover. Um apparently there's been a a rule where you cannot crush concrete in the city of Dover, and individuals or um business owners who were denied opportunity to do so are somewhat upset because to their understanding, someone is crushing um concrete near the I think near the George & Lynch area, um behind I think Sherwin and Williams in that area somewhere. Um so had to take a look at that. That's not my district, but they did uh get me a call and asked me to forward that. I did forward that uh to Code Enforcement, and I do believe they're looking in into that.","topics_json":"[\"public_safety\",\"business\"]","vector_id":"vec_seg_97064_165","created_at":"2026-10-31T05:51:14Z","speaker_name":"Roy Sudler, Jr."},{"id":"seg_97064_166","meeting_id":"97064","media_asset_id":"med_97064_34ae2960e8ae89f4","agenda_item_id":null,"speaker_id":"off_roy_sudler_jr","speaker_confidence":0.98,"start_sec":4653.24,"end_sec":4715.81,"text":"Um also been busy addressing some community members' concerns regarding the Civic Arena and the status of the project and whether or not the we're going to move forward with that. So, I forward that uh information to the Council President as well as the clerks just to give a heads up that we have been receiving uh some phone calls in that regards. Um also I've been working with uh peer-to-peer recovery and treatment organizations who want to assist in cleaning up downtown Dover uh with our community and some of our social problems that plague our community. So, I've been trying to coordinate uh with them as well as the state's Public Safety uh mobile unit department. Uh they also want to coordinate um with us with our outreach initiative uh through the um Opioid Use Disorder Task Force that the Mayor um has put together. And I think lastly, um I think that's just I think that's just about it. So, I yield. Thank you for recognizing me, and I yield.","topics_json":"[\"public_safety\"]","vector_id":"vec_seg_97064_166","created_at":"2026-10-31T05:51:14Z","speaker_name":"Roy Sudler, Jr."},{"id":"seg_97064_167","meeting_id":"97064","media_asset_id":"med_97064_34ae2960e8ae89f4","agenda_item_id":null,"speaker_id":"off_fred_a_neil","speaker_confidence":0.99,"start_sec":4716.29,"end_sec":4717.55,"text":"Councilman-at-large Boggerty.","topics_json":"[]","vector_id":"vec_seg_97064_167","created_at":"2026-10-31T05:51:14Z","speaker_name":"Fred A. Neil"},{"id":"seg_97064_168","meeting_id":"97064","media_asset_id":"med_97064_34ae2960e8ae89f4","agenda_item_id":null,"speaker_id":"off_andre_m_boggerty","speaker_confidence":0.98,"start_sec":4717.55,"end_sec":4771.22,"text":"Thank you, um Council President. Um again, as you saw, I spent December, the later part of November, December, and I will continue working with some of these uh touching base with grassroots organizations, such as you saw presented, so I won't re- reinvent the wheel that it um that'll continue to go on. Um met with constituents regarding the panhandling um ordinance and some concepts uh some concepts to consider um moving forward and how we can address that. And also over the holidays, uh you know, fortunately, unfortunately, um assisted constituents with some with some places to stay uh and and also food giveaway. Uh so that said, I'll keep it there. I yield.","topics_json":"[\"homelessness\",\"public_safety\"]","vector_id":"vec_seg_97064_168","created_at":"2026-10-31T05:51:14Z","speaker_name":"Andre M. Boggerty"},{"id":"seg_97064_169","meeting_id":"97064","media_asset_id":"med_97064_34ae2960e8ae89f4","agenda_item_id":null,"speaker_id":"off_fred_a_neil","speaker_confidence":0.98,"start_sec":4771.83,"end_sec":4854.17,"text":"Okay. Um in December, I attended the Wreaths Across America event at the Speedway held indoors at Bally's. In January, attended Tracy Harvey's retirement at the Pitts Center. I served as a panelist with uh Chairman Andre Boggerty and Councilman Gerald Rocha at the Property and Construction Appeals. I received a deluge of emails from organization members opposed to the traffic safety ordinance. I responded to many of those with Dover addresses. I had multiple interactions with the group seeking to bring an ice rink and Civic Center to Schutte Park. Uh I informed the off- officials at the Speedway that the MPO turned down a traffic study of Leipsic Road corridor for possible expansion. Uh because the the apartments that are going up called The Edge are going up very rapidly. At the request of the Delaware State News, I provided a tribute to late member of the City Council and past president Bill Hare, and we have uh Mike Finney who did a terrific job on the article of a bio for um uh Councilman Hare because the uh funeral arrangements have not been made, and there'll be a ceremony sometime in the spring according to his daughter. Uh that's my report for uh as for uh uh Council, and now I recognize Councilwoman Trish Arndt to conduct the business of the Parks, Recreation, and Community Enhancement Committee. The floor is yours.","topics_json":"[\"housing\",\"public_safety\"]","vector_id":"vec_seg_97064_169","created_at":"2026-10-31T05:51:14Z","speaker_name":"Fred A. Neil"},{"id":"seg_97064_17","meeting_id":"97064","media_asset_id":"med_97064_34ae2960e8ae89f4","agenda_item_id":null,"speaker_id":"spk_97064_deniera_gibson_um","speaker_confidence":0.95,"start_sec":628.7,"end_sec":713.8,"text":"All right. Good evening, everyone, again. Um officially, my name is DeNiera Gibson. Um I am the disabled veterans outreach program specialist with the Delaware Department of Labor, and also the current marketing specialist and uh I guess representative for Suited and Booted. Um Every day I work directly with justice-involved individuals, especially veterans, helping them re-enter the workforce after incarceration, trauma, or long-term unemployment. I'm here tonight to present Booted and Suited Career Academy, a workforce development and community service initiative designed to improve safety, cleanliness, and opportunity in Downtown Dover while creating real jobs for people who want to contribute positive to excuse me, positively to the city.","topics_json":"[\"public_safety\",\"business\"]","vector_id":"vec_seg_97064_17","created_at":"2026-10-31T05:51:14Z","speaker_name":"DeNiera Gibson. Um"},{"id":"seg_97064_170","meeting_id":"97064","media_asset_id":"med_97064_34ae2960e8ae89f4","agenda_item_id":null,"speaker_id":"off_tricia_k_arndt","speaker_confidence":0.98,"start_sec":4854.17,"end_sec":4883.02,"text":"Thank you, Council President. The Parks and Rec and Community Enhancement Subcommittee will come to order. You have an agenda before you. Is there a motion?","topics_json":"[]","vector_id":"vec_seg_97064_170","created_at":"2026-10-31T05:51:14Z","speaker_name":"Tricia K. 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Pillsbury"},{"id":"seg_97064_173","meeting_id":"97064","media_asset_id":"med_97064_34ae2960e8ae89f4","agenda_item_id":null,"speaker_id":"off_tricia_k_arndt","speaker_confidence":0.98,"start_sec":4887.83,"end_sec":4889.99,"text":"Any discussion? Hearing none, all in favor?","topics_json":"[]","vector_id":"vec_seg_97064_173","created_at":"2026-10-31T05:51:14Z","speaker_name":"Tricia K. Arndt"},{"id":"seg_97064_174","meeting_id":"97064","media_asset_id":"med_97064_34ae2960e8ae89f4","agenda_item_id":null,"speaker_id":"off_gerald_l_rocha_sr","speaker_confidence":0.95,"start_sec":4889.99,"end_sec":4890.66,"text":"Aye.","topics_json":"[]","vector_id":"vec_seg_97064_174","created_at":"2026-10-31T05:51:14Z","speaker_name":"Gerald L. Rocha, Sr."},{"id":"seg_97064_175","meeting_id":"97064","media_asset_id":"med_97064_34ae2960e8ae89f4","agenda_item_id":null,"speaker_id":"off_julia_m_pillsbury","speaker_confidence":0.95,"start_sec":4890.24,"end_sec":4890.84,"text":"Aye.","topics_json":"[]","vector_id":"vec_seg_97064_175","created_at":"2026-10-31T05:51:14Z","speaker_name":"Julia M. Pillsbury"},{"id":"seg_97064_176","meeting_id":"97064","media_asset_id":"med_97064_34ae2960e8ae89f4","agenda_item_id":null,"speaker_id":"spk_97064_tricia_k_arndt","speaker_confidence":0.98,"start_sec":4890.84,"end_sec":4898.95,"text":"Any opposed? Motion carries. First item on the agenda, we have a review of the active recreation plan for The Enclave Apartments. Uh Ms. Dawn Melson-Williams, our principal planner, will brief the committee on this action item.","topics_json":"[\"housing\",\"zoning\"]","vector_id":"vec_seg_97064_176","created_at":"2026-10-31T05:51:14Z","speaker_name":null},{"id":"seg_97064_177","meeting_id":"97064","media_asset_id":"med_97064_34ae2960e8ae89f4","agenda_item_id":null,"speaker_id":"spk_97064_dawn_melson_williams","speaker_confidence":0.98,"start_sec":4899.25,"end_sec":5182.65,"text":"All right, good evening. Again, I'm Dawn Melson-Williams, the principal planner with the city's Planning Office. Um we bring to you this evening a um active recreation area plan for review. Uh the project is known as The Enclave Apartments. It's located on Walker Road. Um it's on the north side of Walker Road. Um if you're looking at the image on the screen, on the right-hand side is about where Liberty Court Apartments is. Um on the left-hand side, its neighbor is the Village of McKee Branch. Uh it's a lot that has a very narrow uh frontage on uh Walker Road, but then expands uh behind a series of single-family houses that are that are there. Uh you probably mostly readily recognize in that lower right corner, uh there is a stormwater management facility uh that'll help you locate it if you're driving in that area. Uh this application is a site development plan. It goes to the Planning Commission next Tuesday for their public hearing and review. Um but because it is development of an apartment complex with a total of um 48 uh dwelling units, it is required to go through um review of its active recreation area plan for the for the facility. Uh it may look somewhat familiar, very similar uh development plan for an apartment complex on this property uh was reviewed back in late 2023. Uh however, the developer chose to um revise the the project scenario and um is now going back through the site development review process. Uh so with the active recreation area for this site, uh it qualifies under our small development exemptions, which then sets the active recreation area at a rate of 150 square feet per dwelling unit or a minimum of 10,000 square feet. Um if you do that math, they're they're required to provide the 10,000 square feet. Uh they're providing a number of amenities to to reach that um reach that number and we think they've satisfied it. Um there is a basketball uh half court, a volleyball court, uh there are two uh recreation areas that appear just to be lawn areas, and then there is a clubhouse. Um the clubhouse does have a leasing office, so we're looking um to get confirmation on exactly what the square footage calculation is with the uh clubhouse um to fully confirm that they meet their um requirement. Uh the clubhouse, if you're looking at this um project, is the upper uh left-hand corner. There's the clubhouse, the two game court areas, and one of the open um active recreation areas, which is appears to be just lawn space. Uh you can see the center of the um project includes parking. So there's parking for the two apartment buildings that flank the clubhouse. They're at the top of the screen in the right and on the left of the screen. Uh they have uh bicycle racks. Uh there is a network of sidewalks that uh traverse the site connecting all of these elements um on the property. Our report uh that was provided goes into the details of all of these amenities as well as providing the code citations. Uh planning staff has uh listed a series of our recommendations and comments beginning on page five of that report. We are recommending approval of the um active recreation area amenities um as noted. There are several uh comments or corrections that we want made to the plan, um but those would be deemed fairly minor in nature. Uh there I believe there is a representative of the uh application the project team here in the audience if there are additional questions. Uh but what the Parks, Recreation, Community Enhancement Committee is charged with is uh review and your recommendation of this recreation area um plan for this project. Uh we will report that to the Planning Commission next week. So, I'd be happy to take any questions um regarding their active rec plan.","topics_json":"[\"housing\",\"zoning\"]","vector_id":"vec_seg_97064_177","created_at":"2026-10-31T05:51:14Z","speaker_name":"Dawn Melson-Williams"},{"id":"seg_97064_178","meeting_id":"97064","media_asset_id":"med_97064_34ae2960e8ae89f4","agenda_item_id":null,"speaker_id":"off_tricia_k_arndt","speaker_confidence":0.98,"start_sec":5182.95,"end_sec":5188.96,"text":"Thank you, Ms. Melson-Williams, and I appreciate the reminder to the committee of what we're tasked with with uh providing our recommendations on. Questions from the committee? Councilman Lewis?","topics_json":"[]","vector_id":"vec_seg_97064_178","created_at":"2026-10-31T05:51:14Z","speaker_name":"Tricia K. Arndt"},{"id":"seg_97064_179","meeting_id":"97064","media_asset_id":"med_97064_34ae2960e8ae89f4","agenda_item_id":null,"speaker_id":"off_brian_e_lewis","speaker_confidence":0.98,"start_sec":5189.44,"end_sec":5194.67,"text":"Thank you, Ms. Arndt. Ms. Williams, um first question I have is, do you know why the developer decided to revise the plans?","topics_json":"[\"housing\",\"zoning\"]","vector_id":"vec_seg_97064_179","created_at":"2026-10-31T05:51:14Z","speaker_name":"Brian E. Lewis"},{"id":"seg_97064_18","meeting_id":"97064","media_asset_id":"med_97064_34ae2960e8ae89f4","agenda_item_id":null,"speaker_id":"spk_97064_deniera_gibson_um","speaker_confidence":0.95,"start_sec":714.4,"end_sec":904,"text":"Dover, like many cities, faces a few ongoing challenges downtown. Um we have concerns around safety and visibility, cleanliness, and beautification, and we have a population of residents, especially justice-involved individuals and veterans, who want to work, but struggle to access stable employment. In fact, in Dover over the past year, we've seen documented robberies in central streets like Loockerman and New Street, a robbery involving a food delivery driver in early January, and multiple shootings that injured residents. So for your reference, I just want to run through um some specifics on some of those incidents. So there was a robbery on West Loockerman Street in August 2025. A suspect was arrested after approaching a victim in the 100 block of West Loockerman Street and stealing property following an assault. There was an armed robbery in downtown area, September 2025. Police investigated an armed robbery where two suspects on electric scooters approached a victim in a vehicle and demanded property at gunpoint on the 400 block of North New Street. Robbery of food delivery driver in January 2026, four suspects robbed a food delivery driver at the 800 block of Carvel Drive, stealing items after brandishing a firearm. There are also shootings and violent crimes. Shooting incident with injury in June of 2025, a shooting in Dover left a 22-year-old dead and several others wounded with multiple victims suffering gunshot injuries during an exchange of gunfire. Shots fired near downtown in summer of 2025, police reported a shooting near Minor Street Alley where a 42-year-old woman was shot multiple times, suspect remains at large. Ongoing trend of elevated serious crime. In 2025, a 2000 excuse me, a 2025 city report noted increases in homicides, shoplifting, and overdoses, to Mr. Wilson's point, and despite quality of life efforts with shootings and violent crime remaining concerning trends in Dover. These are not isolated arrests from years ago or distant statistics. They're from the past few months or weeks. These are incidents that affect safety perceptions in everyday life in Downtown Dover. I want to make it very clear that when people return to the community without structure, opportunity, or purpose, the outcomes are very predictable: recidivism, unemployment, and continued strain on city resources. Booted and Suited addresses all of these issues at once, not through punishment, but through training, accountability, and service. Our program creates structured, trained ambassadors who can increase positive visibility, deter opportunistic crime, and strengthen connections between communities and first responders.","topics_json":"[\"public_safety\"]","vector_id":"vec_seg_97064_18","created_at":"2026-10-31T05:51:14Z","speaker_name":"DeNiera Gibson. Um"},{"id":"seg_97064_180","meeting_id":"97064","media_asset_id":"med_97064_34ae2960e8ae89f4","agenda_item_id":null,"speaker_id":"spk_97064_dawn_melson_williams","speaker_confidence":0.98,"start_sec":5195.28,"end_sec":5213.31,"text":"Um so the question about if I know why, um it was a couple of years ago and I'm not sure if they were looking to value engineer, um the the plan is similar in number of units, but the layout overall is um is slightly less. They are working with a site that is partially wooded, uh so they have to be careful how much woodland clearing. So, I think it's a it's a balancing act that they're they're choosing to go a different direction in.","topics_json":"[\"housing\",\"zoning\"]","vector_id":"vec_seg_97064_180","created_at":"2026-10-31T05:51:14Z","speaker_name":"Dawn Melson-Williams"},{"id":"seg_97064_181","meeting_id":"97064","media_asset_id":"med_97064_34ae2960e8ae89f4","agenda_item_id":null,"speaker_id":"off_brian_e_lewis","speaker_confidence":0.98,"start_sec":5213.61,"end_sec":5243.66,"text":"Gotcha. Um and I know this is still going before the Planning Commission, but uh were there any objections by any residents within the vicinity over there to this project to your knowledge?","topics_json":"[\"housing\",\"zoning\"]","vector_id":"vec_seg_97064_181","created_at":"2026-10-31T05:51:14Z","speaker_name":"Brian E. Lewis"},{"id":"seg_97064_182","meeting_id":"97064","media_asset_id":"med_97064_34ae2960e8ae89f4","agenda_item_id":null,"speaker_id":"spk_97064_dawn_melson_williams","speaker_confidence":0.98,"start_sec":5243.96,"end_sec":5266.38,"text":"Um so this project will be subject to a public hearing before the Planning Commission on Tuesday evening. Um at this point, we have not received any written correspondence. Uh with a public hearing before Planning Commission, uh the applicant has to provide public notice in the way of a physical posting on the site, there's a bright yellow sign, a legal ad in the local newspaper, and then mailed notice to property owners within 200 ft. Um so at this point, their notice has been completed. We'll see if there's any objection during a public hearing on Tuesday.","topics_json":"[\"housing\",\"zoning\"]","vector_id":"vec_seg_97064_182","created_at":"2026-10-31T05:51:14Z","speaker_name":"Dawn Melson-Williams"},{"id":"seg_97064_183","meeting_id":"97064","media_asset_id":"med_97064_34ae2960e8ae89f4","agenda_item_id":null,"speaker_id":"off_brian_e_lewis","speaker_confidence":0.98,"start_sec":5266.5,"end_sec":5269.21,"text":"Understood. Uh at this time, I have no further questions. Thank you, Ms. Williams.","topics_json":"[]","vector_id":"vec_seg_97064_183","created_at":"2026-10-31T05:51:14Z","speaker_name":"Brian E. 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In regards to um the notice, are the mailers, are they sent certified where they have to receive um written confirmation or signature to to verify that the individual or the address that they sent it to is the correct address and that that individual received it? Is it certified?","topics_json":"[\"zoning\"]","vector_id":"vec_seg_97064_187","created_at":"2026-10-31T05:51:14Z","speaker_name":"Roy Sudler, Jr."},{"id":"seg_97064_188","meeting_id":"97064","media_asset_id":"med_97064_34ae2960e8ae89f4","agenda_item_id":null,"speaker_id":"spk_97064_dawn_melson_williams","speaker_confidence":0.98,"start_sec":5314.89,"end_sec":5334.42,"text":"Uh so this is Dawn with the Planning Office. Um the code requirement is uh mailed notice. Um they have to pro- provide proof of mailing. Uh they're they are not required to uh send certified. Some applicants choose to do so, but it's not required. They have to prove to us that it was mailed to the mailing list of adjacent property owners that the city provides to them based on our current uh tax records.","topics_json":"[\"zoning\"]","vector_id":"vec_seg_97064_188","created_at":"2026-10-31T05:51:14Z","speaker_name":"Dawn Melson-Williams"},{"id":"seg_97064_189","meeting_id":"97064","media_asset_id":"med_97064_34ae2960e8ae89f4","agenda_item_id":null,"speaker_id":"off_roy_sudler_jr","speaker_confidence":0.98,"start_sec":5334.72,"end_sec":5336.22,"text":"Thank you very much. I yield.","topics_json":"[]","vector_id":"vec_seg_97064_189","created_at":"2026-10-31T05:51:14Z","speaker_name":"Roy Sudler, Jr."},{"id":"seg_97064_19","meeting_id":"97064","media_asset_id":"med_97064_34ae2960e8ae89f4","agenda_item_id":null,"speaker_id":"spk_97064_presenter_female","speaker_confidence":0.9,"start_sec":904,"end_sec":937.1,"text":"Funding Booted and Suited Career Academy's workforce development program is a return on investment, not just a program expense. Dover has an opportunity now to be proactive, rather than reactive. Booted and Suited allows the city to address safety and cleanliness, strengthen workforce pipelines, and demonstrate leadership in re-entry solutions. This program aligns directly with public safety goals, workforce development priorities, and also community revitalization efforts. Funding this initiative is an investment in people, prevention, and pride in Dover.","topics_json":"[\"budget\",\"public_safety\"]","vector_id":"vec_seg_97064_19","created_at":"2026-10-31T05:51:14Z","speaker_name":null},{"id":"seg_97064_190","meeting_id":"97064","media_asset_id":"med_97064_34ae2960e8ae89f4","agenda_item_id":null,"speaker_id":"off_tricia_k_arndt","speaker_confidence":0.98,"start_sec":5336.83,"end_sec":5363.57,"text":"Any other questions? What is the pleasure of the committee?","topics_json":"[]","vector_id":"vec_seg_97064_190","created_at":"2026-10-31T05:51:14Z","speaker_name":"Tricia K. Arndt"},{"id":"seg_97064_191","meeting_id":"97064","media_asset_id":"med_97064_34ae2960e8ae89f4","agenda_item_id":null,"speaker_id":"off_fred_a_neil","speaker_confidence":0.98,"start_sec":5364.17,"end_sec":5365.56,"text":"Neil moves for approval.","topics_json":"[]","vector_id":"vec_seg_97064_191","created_at":"2026-10-31T05:51:14Z","speaker_name":"Fred A. 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With no further business, the Parks and Rec and Community Enhancement Subcommittee is adjourned. Thank you to our citizen appointees.","topics_json":"[]","vector_id":"vec_seg_97064_196","created_at":"2026-10-31T05:51:14Z","speaker_name":"Tricia K. Arndt"},{"id":"seg_97064_197","meeting_id":"97064","media_asset_id":"med_97064_34ae2960e8ae89f4","agenda_item_id":null,"speaker_id":"off_fred_a_neil","speaker_confidence":0.98,"start_sec":5377.4,"end_sec":5382.81,"text":"I now recognize Chairman David Anderson to conduct the business of the Legislative, Finance, and Administration Committee. The floor is yours, Councilman Anderson.","topics_json":"[]","vector_id":"vec_seg_97064_197","created_at":"2026-10-31T05:51:14Z","speaker_name":"Fred A. Neil"},{"id":"seg_97064_198","meeting_id":"97064","media_asset_id":"med_97064_34ae2960e8ae89f4","agenda_item_id":null,"speaker_id":"off_david_l_anderson","speaker_confidence":0.98,"start_sec":5383.11,"end_sec":5423.98,"text":"Thank you, Mr. President. I will uh give a moment. Let's see, do we have uh Mr. Shevock on tonight? Okay, terrific. Terrific, welcome sir. Mr. Garfield, welcome. Thank you for attending tonight.","topics_json":"[]","vector_id":"vec_seg_97064_198","created_at":"2026-10-31T05:51:14Z","speaker_name":"David L. Anderson"},{"id":"seg_97064_199","meeting_id":"97064","media_asset_id":"med_97064_34ae2960e8ae89f4","agenda_item_id":null,"speaker_id":"off_david_l_anderson","speaker_confidence":0.95,"start_sec":5423.97,"end_sec":5435.67,"text":"The uh everyone's here. So the park that the uh Legislative, Finance, Administration Committee is now called to order.","topics_json":"[]","vector_id":"vec_seg_97064_199","created_at":"2026-10-31T05:51:14Z","speaker_name":"David L. 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Booted and Suited Career Academy is poised to help facilitate a safer, cleaner, greener downtown Dover. I appreciate your time and consideration. My cohort is here to answer any follow-up questions.","topics_json":"[\"public_safety\"]","vector_id":"vec_seg_97064_20","created_at":"2026-10-31T05:51:14Z","speaker_name":null},{"id":"seg_97064_200","meeting_id":"97064","media_asset_id":"med_97064_34ae2960e8ae89f4","agenda_item_id":null,"speaker_id":"off_david_l_anderson","speaker_confidence":0.95,"start_sec":5436.97,"end_sec":5451.47,"text":"At this time, we'll have uh a motion for the adoption of the agenda. Councilwoman Hall, um you will be recognized in a moment. Let me get you off mute.","topics_json":"[]","vector_id":"vec_seg_97064_200","created_at":"2026-10-31T05:51:14Z","speaker_name":"David L. 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Neil"},{"id":"seg_97064_203","meeting_id":"97064","media_asset_id":"med_97064_34ae2960e8ae89f4","agenda_item_id":null,"speaker_id":"off_david_l_anderson","speaker_confidence":0.95,"start_sec":5467.47,"end_sec":5478.77,"text":"Uh there's going to be there's an amendment to uh defer um Item 1 to uh to the next meeting. So we will uh","topics_json":"[]","vector_id":"vec_seg_97064_203","created_at":"2026-10-31T05:51:14Z","speaker_name":"David L. Anderson"},{"id":"seg_97064_204","meeting_id":"97064","media_asset_id":"med_97064_34ae2960e8ae89f4","agenda_item_id":null,"speaker_id":"off_david_l_anderson","speaker_confidence":0.95,"start_sec":5479.37,"end_sec":5529.77,"text":"Yeah, make sure it's Item 1. Yes. Uh Item 1 to the next meeting uh and uh and the rest of the agenda as presented. It's it's been moved. Is there a second?","topics_json":"[]","vector_id":"vec_seg_97064_204","created_at":"2026-10-31T05:51:14Z","speaker_name":"David L. Anderson"},{"id":"seg_97064_205","meeting_id":"97064","media_asset_id":"med_97064_34ae2960e8ae89f4","agenda_item_id":null,"speaker_id":"off_donyale_m_hall","speaker_confidence":0.95,"start_sec":5530.27,"end_sec":5534.77,"text":"I'll second the agenda, the modified agenda.","topics_json":"[]","vector_id":"vec_seg_97064_205","created_at":"2026-10-31T05:51:14Z","speaker_name":"Donyale M. Hall"},{"id":"seg_97064_206","meeting_id":"97064","media_asset_id":"med_97064_34ae2960e8ae89f4","agenda_item_id":null,"speaker_id":"off_david_l_anderson","speaker_confidence":0.95,"start_sec":5535.37,"end_sec":5539.77,"text":"All right. Any discussion? All those in favor?","topics_json":"[]","vector_id":"vec_seg_97064_206","created_at":"2026-10-31T05:51:14Z","speaker_name":"David L. 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Anderson"},{"id":"seg_97064_209","meeting_id":"97064","media_asset_id":"med_97064_34ae2960e8ae89f4","agenda_item_id":null,"speaker_id":"spk_97064_dave_hugg","speaker_confidence":0.95,"start_sec":5573.67,"end_sec":5650.97,"text":"Um thank you, Mr. Chairman. Dave Hugg, City Manager. Um just a quick review. Some number of months ago, the the Council uh approved the creation of an economic development fund uh, and we've worked on uh various application forms and all that kind of stuff. Uh this is technically the second application that we've received. The first one is the one that you deferred uh consideration of tonight. Um the uh applicant is here in the audience, and I'm sure there'll be some questions for him. But uh basically the request is for $50,000 uh to help uh do some site improvements, site uh sort of extensions, if you will, at um the at Rail Haus. Um these will allow for uh improving some of the the uh the surfaces so that they're, you know, more stable, um increasing the safety, cleanliness, and addressing some of the accessibility issues. Under the uh provision of this of this uh Economic Development Fund, you are required to hold a public hearing. Um this this constitutes the public hearing, uh, but you do have to open it for public comment and whatever. Um there has to be a council sponsor. Councilwoman Arndt is the sponsor of this application, and the application meets all of the requirements for consideration by uh by the Council. So, with that, I'd like to ask um Donnie Leggins if he would like to make a a couple of comments before you open the hearing or if you want to open the hearing and","topics_json":"[\"budget\",\"business\"]","vector_id":"vec_seg_97064_209","created_at":"2026-10-31T05:51:14Z","speaker_name":"Dave Hugg"},{"id":"seg_97064_21","meeting_id":"97064","media_asset_id":"med_97064_34ae2960e8ae89f4","agenda_item_id":null,"speaker_id":"off_fred_a_neil","speaker_confidence":0.95,"start_sec":970.4,"end_sec":979.6,"text":"Questions from the council? Yes, uh, Councilwoman Pillsbury.","topics_json":"[]","vector_id":"vec_seg_97064_21","created_at":"2026-10-31T05:51:14Z","speaker_name":"Fred A. Neil"},{"id":"seg_97064_210","meeting_id":"97064","media_asset_id":"med_97064_34ae2960e8ae89f4","agenda_item_id":null,"speaker_id":"off_tricia_k_arndt","speaker_confidence":0.95,"start_sec":5651.07,"end_sec":5653.47,"text":"Mr. Chair, if I could make a comment?","topics_json":"[]","vector_id":"vec_seg_97064_210","created_at":"2026-10-31T05:51:14Z","speaker_name":"Tricia K. Arndt"},{"id":"seg_97064_211","meeting_id":"97064","media_asset_id":"med_97064_34ae2960e8ae89f4","agenda_item_id":null,"speaker_id":"off_david_l_anderson","speaker_confidence":0.95,"start_sec":5654.67,"end_sec":5662.07,"text":"Just say, I'd like to uh allow the sponsor, and then uh and and then I'll uh defer to you, and you can bring the applicant up.","topics_json":"[]","vector_id":"vec_seg_97064_211","created_at":"2026-10-31T05:51:14Z","speaker_name":"David L. Anderson"},{"id":"seg_97064_212","meeting_id":"97064","media_asset_id":"med_97064_34ae2960e8ae89f4","agenda_item_id":null,"speaker_id":"spk_97064_dave_hugg","speaker_confidence":0.95,"start_sec":5662.17,"end_sec":5662.97,"text":"Very good.","topics_json":"[]","vector_id":"vec_seg_97064_212","created_at":"2026-10-31T05:51:14Z","speaker_name":"Dave Hugg"},{"id":"seg_97064_213","meeting_id":"97064","media_asset_id":"med_97064_34ae2960e8ae89f4","agenda_item_id":null,"speaker_id":"off_tricia_k_arndt","speaker_confidence":0.95,"start_sec":5663.87,"end_sec":5674.67,"text":"Thank you. So, I'm I'm pleased to sponsor this application uh for Mr. Leggins to improve uh his business. I just want to note that he has invested substantial capital in an area that most would not. Uh he has turned a distressed area into not only a place of business, but a place of community. Uh for those of you that are familiar with Rail Haus, uh the events and the community space that he provides um for yoga classes and food trucks and vendor fairs, which support local businesses and support local artists, um he was a recipient of the Delaware American American Planning Association Planning Award for uh 2024. Uh he's been recognized as just a phenomenal business owner um and really just elevating Dover. Um I've met people there that came from Wilmington, from New Castle County, from Philadelphia. Uh he's been featured in, you know, blogs and and uh different press events. Um so it's it's definitely a draw for the city, uh, and I'm certainly uh supportive of him expanding and providing that that um improved outdoor space for future events. And with that, I'll yield.","topics_json":"[\"business\"]","vector_id":"vec_seg_97064_213","created_at":"2026-10-31T05:51:14Z","speaker_name":"Tricia K. Arndt"},{"id":"seg_97064_214","meeting_id":"97064","media_asset_id":"med_97064_34ae2960e8ae89f4","agenda_item_id":null,"speaker_id":"off_david_l_anderson","speaker_confidence":0.95,"start_sec":5675.27,"end_sec":5677.87,"text":"Thank you. And you may come forward, sir.","topics_json":"[]","vector_id":"vec_seg_97064_214","created_at":"2026-10-31T05:51:14Z","speaker_name":"David L. Anderson"},{"id":"seg_97064_215","meeting_id":"97064","media_asset_id":"med_97064_34ae2960e8ae89f4","agenda_item_id":null,"speaker_id":"spk_97064_donny_leggins","speaker_confidence":0.95,"start_sec":5683.87,"end_sec":5797.87,"text":"Good evening. I am I'm Donny Leggins, owner of Rail Haus Beer Garden, and um it is an honor to speak here and be in front of you all again. Um I'm here to answer any questions. I know you all have the application in front of you. I don't want to rehash the the entire thing, um, but I do want to be brief, and and some things that probably weren't in the application, just kind of speak from the heart, um, if that's okay. So, 4 years ago, I stood at this very podium and asked for you guys to kind of believe in the vision of a beer garden. First question is, what what's a beer garden? And [laughter] why in that location? And um it was we were coming out of COVID. It was uh 2022, I believe, and um it wasn't a lot going on. Businesses were opening, they were closing, and I had the significant investment and dream that I wanted to do right here in downtown Dover. And um 2 years later, uh, in of of 4 years later, but 2 years of actual service time, I'm here to say that it's been a huge success. I mean, um as Councilwoman Arndt mentioned, people from all over, not just Kent County, but all over the state, uh all over the area, they come and travel and want to see","topics_json":"[\"business\"]","vector_id":"vec_seg_97064_215","created_at":"2026-10-31T05:51:14Z","speaker_name":"Donny Leggins"},{"id":"seg_97064_216","meeting_id":"97064","media_asset_id":"med_97064_34ae2960e8ae89f4","agenda_item_id":null,"speaker_id":"off_david_l_anderson","speaker_confidence":0.95,"start_sec":5797.97,"end_sec":5804.57,"text":"Can I temporarily turn this over to uh Councilwoman Arndt, and I'll get it back? I have an emergency call from the base.","topics_json":"[]","vector_id":"vec_seg_97064_216","created_at":"2026-10-31T05:51:14Z","speaker_name":"David L. Anderson"},{"id":"seg_97064_217","meeting_id":"97064","media_asset_id":"med_97064_34ae2960e8ae89f4","agenda_item_id":null,"speaker_id":"spk_97064_donny_leggins","speaker_confidence":0.95,"start_sec":5804.97,"end_sec":5961.37,"text":"You got it. Um so it it's been um a huge success, bigger than what I was imagining uh when we first opened it up. And one of the biggest surprises um I've noticed since running this place for 2 years is the amount of groups that come in town um for Rail Haus. Um groups that are in town, uh companies, Air Force host events here, um we the whole gamut from, again, Air Force base to DSU hosting homecomings, um it the list goes on and on and on. One of our weaker points is the weather. We are only 70 seats inside, and we have 200 people trying to get in. Um that leads us to the outside space. So, we just invested a lot of money in our pavilion with this tent over the um the lawn area. Um the weak part of that plan is really the grass. When it rains, it it's a muddy mess down there. And so, I would like this investment to go toward uh really activating that space. We call it the Great Lawn, but it's our multi-use area. We have 20, 25 seats there, and we could really make that place happen. That's uh some of the images you'll see right here. Um there's you'll see puddling up there. The grass looks great sometimes, but uh we can't guarantee it. And some of the events that we have coming up uh this very year, we have Neighborgoods' um third annual fundraiser, Raise the Roof. They have about 120 people there. Um Delaware Superior Court is going to have 200 people here in May. Um Air Force has the 9th Air Force Squadron has an event coming up pretty soon. Polytech is hosting events here, and then we have um Habitat for Humanity, their 5K race, as well. So, a lot of events going on here. We do have World Cup coming up, so I I see this area being activated. We've booked about 150,000 sort of in this area, and we can almost double that just with guaranteeing that we could plan in advance, and this investment lets us do that. Um so this is just something I wanted to mention, that uh we've really become a community hub. Thanks to you guys for believing in us and doing the the zoning change and land use change, all these things we had to do and jump through the the hoops and and make sure we did it right and did it correct. And um I know I have some uh some familiar faces here. I brought a supporter as well, one of our neighbors, uh just to come and give some words if she wanted to. But again, I just wanted to thank you guys for giving me the chance to apply for this. I love these programs that you guys do, that Kent County does, that Delaware does, and I want to use it to the best of our ability by being a steward of that of that money. So, um I yield. [laughter]","topics_json":"[\"budget\",\"business\"]","vector_id":"vec_seg_97064_217","created_at":"2026-10-31T05:51:14Z","speaker_name":"Donny Leggins"},{"id":"seg_97064_218","meeting_id":"97064","media_asset_id":"med_97064_34ae2960e8ae89f4","agenda_item_id":null,"speaker_id":"off_david_l_anderson","speaker_confidence":0.95,"start_sec":5962.67,"end_sec":5964.77,"text":"May I have the uh chair back, Madam Chair?","topics_json":"[]","vector_id":"vec_seg_97064_218","created_at":"2026-10-31T05:51:14Z","speaker_name":"David L. Anderson"},{"id":"seg_97064_219","meeting_id":"97064","media_asset_id":"med_97064_34ae2960e8ae89f4","agenda_item_id":null,"speaker_id":"off_tricia_k_arndt","speaker_confidence":0.95,"start_sec":5965.27,"end_sec":5966.37,"text":"Yes, I yield.","topics_json":"[]","vector_id":"vec_seg_97064_219","created_at":"2026-10-31T05:51:14Z","speaker_name":"Tricia K. Arndt"},{"id":"seg_97064_22","meeting_id":"97064","media_asset_id":"med_97064_34ae2960e8ae89f4","agenda_item_id":null,"speaker_id":"off_julia_m_pillsbury","speaker_confidence":0.95,"start_sec":979.8,"end_sec":1017.2,"text":"Thank you very much. The presentation was very interesting. I have some questions, um, primarily about the salaries. I've had grants in the past and the, as the proposer of the grant, there was no salary allocated. So I'd like to know what hours the managers are going to work and what is the CEO going to be contributing and how many hours are you going to be contributing as well?","topics_json":"[\"budget\"]","vector_id":"vec_seg_97064_22","created_at":"2026-10-31T05:51:14Z","speaker_name":"Julia M. Pillsbury"},{"id":"seg_97064_220","meeting_id":"97064","media_asset_id":"med_97064_34ae2960e8ae89f4","agenda_item_id":null,"speaker_id":"off_david_l_anderson","speaker_confidence":0.95,"start_sec":5966.67,"end_sec":5970.07,"text":"Thank you. Um questions? Councilman Lewis.","topics_json":"[]","vector_id":"vec_seg_97064_220","created_at":"2026-10-31T05:51:14Z","speaker_name":"David L. Anderson"},{"id":"seg_97064_221","meeting_id":"97064","media_asset_id":"med_97064_34ae2960e8ae89f4","agenda_item_id":null,"speaker_id":"off_brian_e_lewis","speaker_confidence":0.95,"start_sec":5971.37,"end_sec":5972.77,"text":"Thank you. Good evening, Mr. Leggins.","topics_json":"[]","vector_id":"vec_seg_97064_221","created_at":"2026-10-31T05:51:14Z","speaker_name":"Brian E. Lewis"},{"id":"seg_97064_222","meeting_id":"97064","media_asset_id":"med_97064_34ae2960e8ae89f4","agenda_item_id":null,"speaker_id":"spk_97064_donny_leggins","speaker_confidence":0.95,"start_sec":5972.87,"end_sec":5973.57,"text":"Good evening.","topics_json":"[]","vector_id":"vec_seg_97064_222","created_at":"2026-10-31T05:51:14Z","speaker_name":"Donny Leggins"},{"id":"seg_97064_223","meeting_id":"97064","media_asset_id":"med_97064_34ae2960e8ae89f4","agenda_item_id":null,"speaker_id":"off_brian_e_lewis","speaker_confidence":0.95,"start_sec":5973.97,"end_sec":6031.67,"text":"Uh first of all, I just want you to be aware that um when the uh Economic Development um that we have right now before us uh was introduced, the ordinance, um I voted against it because I wasn't for it for the reason that um I believe it's the people's money and they should decide where that money goes more than us, because it's actually from the sale of properties in the city. I don't know if you know the background with where the money come from, but uh the money comes from sales of properties that the city owns, but in theory the people own. And it was decided to start this uh Economic Development Fund, uh which I had concerns of. So I don't want you to take this personal, because I commend you for the business that you have and for it being open as long as it has, because a lot of businesses fall within a year or two in the city of Dover. Um now, I was reviewing your application and I just have like two questions. Sure.","topics_json":"[\"budget\",\"business\"]","vector_id":"vec_seg_97064_223","created_at":"2026-10-31T05:51:14Z","speaker_name":"Brian E. Lewis"},{"id":"seg_97064_224","meeting_id":"97064","media_asset_id":"med_97064_34ae2960e8ae89f4","agenda_item_id":null,"speaker_id":"spk_97064_donny_leggins","speaker_confidence":0.95,"start_sec":6031.77,"end_sec":6032.17,"text":"Sure.","topics_json":"[]","vector_id":"vec_seg_97064_224","created_at":"2026-10-31T05:51:14Z","speaker_name":"Donny Leggins"},{"id":"seg_97064_225","meeting_id":"97064","media_asset_id":"med_97064_34ae2960e8ae89f4","agenda_item_id":null,"speaker_id":"off_brian_e_lewis","speaker_confidence":0.95,"start_sec":6032.77,"end_sec":6053.37,"text":"Um the first question is that I see that you're asking for $50,000, um and one of the things that you're requesting is an artificial turf to the outdoor beer garden and HVAC upgrades. Now, your restaurant was built in October 2023. Um why the upgrades so soon?","topics_json":"[\"budget\",\"business\"]","vector_id":"vec_seg_97064_225","created_at":"2026-10-31T05:51:14Z","speaker_name":"Brian E. Lewis"},{"id":"seg_97064_226","meeting_id":"97064","media_asset_id":"med_97064_34ae2960e8ae89f4","agenda_item_id":null,"speaker_id":"spk_97064_donny_leggins","speaker_confidence":0.95,"start_sec":6053.97,"end_sec":6132.17,"text":"So, on you it's not the HVAC for the main building. There's actually a smaller outbuilding um in that corner uh of that picture. It's a old shipping container that we turned into a bar. Um that never had an HVAC inside of it. So, one of the events that that's the uh the the small building right there. So, it's a small mini split system. Um I HVAC, um the official official name. But we host um guest bartending events uh constantly. And one of the biggest ones we did was um the Down Syndrome of Delaware Society. And we had a huge turn out. Um we almost couldn't handle it with the amount of people who came. Just on a regular weekday, it wasn't a Friday or Saturday, just weren't um ready for that influx of folks. So, after that event, we decided that we would move guest bartending events um actually in here, and you're not getting in the way of the actual bartenders that are doing the real mixing. This is just kind of a draft system, super super easy. The issue with that is um that is a shipping container. So, when it's hot outside, it's hot inside. When it's cold outside, it's cold in there. So, that allows us to do more of those events inside of there, um just with a simple mini split system. So, that's the uh the update for that.","topics_json":"[\"business\",\"budget\"]","vector_id":"vec_seg_97064_226","created_at":"2026-10-31T05:51:14Z","speaker_name":"Donny Leggins"},{"id":"seg_97064_227","meeting_id":"97064","media_asset_id":"med_97064_34ae2960e8ae89f4","agenda_item_id":null,"speaker_id":"off_brian_e_lewis","speaker_confidence":0.95,"start_sec":6133.17,"end_sec":6148.77,"text":"Understood. Thank you. And my second question is, as I read through the application is, uh under the Impact on Downtown Dover, uh the third one down, it says, \"Draw additional foot traffic to the downtown district.\" Now, I've been to your restaurant, and it's way out there away from the downtown area. Um In the future, do you have any anticipations of maybe providing transportation or a shuttle or something? Out of curiosity. [laughter] Uh because like when I read this, I'm like, \"Wait a minute. It's not downtown in the district.\" It is.","topics_json":"[\"business\"]","vector_id":"vec_seg_97064_227","created_at":"2026-10-31T05:51:14Z","speaker_name":"Brian E. Lewis"},{"id":"seg_97064_228","meeting_id":"97064","media_asset_id":"med_97064_34ae2960e8ae89f4","agenda_item_id":null,"speaker_id":"spk_97064_donny_leggins","speaker_confidence":0.95,"start_sec":6148.87,"end_sec":6149.87,"text":"It is. It is.","topics_json":"[]","vector_id":"vec_seg_97064_228","created_at":"2026-10-31T05:51:14Z","speaker_name":"Donny Leggins"},{"id":"seg_97064_229","meeting_id":"97064","media_asset_id":"med_97064_34ae2960e8ae89f4","agenda_item_id":null,"speaker_id":"off_brian_e_lewis","speaker_confidence":0.95,"start_sec":6149.97,"end_sec":6153.77,"text":"I mean, it may be encompassed in a map, but it's not here. [laughter]","topics_json":"[\"business\"]","vector_id":"vec_seg_97064_229","created_at":"2026-10-31T05:51:14Z","speaker_name":"Brian E. Lewis"},{"id":"seg_97064_23","meeting_id":"97064","media_asset_id":"med_97064_34ae2960e8ae89f4","agenda_item_id":null,"speaker_id":"spk_97064_bobby_wilson","speaker_confidence":0.95,"start_sec":1017.5,"end_sec":1074,"text":"Okay. We're going to be having two shifts, and it's going to be a morning shift and an evening shift, and it will consist of two two managers and and myself overseeing the project. Um, a lot we have a lot of volunteers would be from parole and probation and from the court system as well. Um, and they will be, you know, in they're doing their community service uh on the project. Uh, I have give you the budget, and in the budget I had, I think I had uh a couple spaces for the people that's going to be working, I know, um, which is the the $500 a week for the two managers, and uh $1,000 a week for myself overlooking the program.","topics_json":"[\"budget\",\"public_safety\"]","vector_id":"vec_seg_97064_23","created_at":"2026-10-31T05:51:14Z","speaker_name":"Bobby Wilson"},{"id":"seg_97064_230","meeting_id":"97064","media_asset_id":"med_97064_34ae2960e8ae89f4","agenda_item_id":null,"speaker_id":"spk_97064_donny_leggins","speaker_confidence":0.95,"start_sec":6153.97,"end_sec":6276.97,"text":"So, part of the reason why I actually picked that, uh well, to answer your question, I would love to do that. Um I think in the Capital Plan, there's a chance for micro communi- uh transportation. So, scooters and things like that. We are right in front of a bike lane that's awesome, Senator Bikeway. We use it often. Uh we do a run club every Tuesday, which is why I'm dressed like this. I ran right from here uh to be here today. Um but yeah, the micro communication, I'm totally all about. Um for St. Patty's Day, we actually do rent a bus, and we go to all the places downtown as well. Um so yes, I I am all for it, but we are not in the the main strip of downtown, but the reason why I picked this location is cuz it is in the Downtown Development District um part of it. But I do want to address your first point about uh funds from the sale of property. Um one of the things that we do is that run club. So, every Tuesday, we run and we have Even today, we had 60 people show up. But when it's a good day, we can have 100 people showing up, running around downtown. Part of that is just the fitness of it. Well, I'm an athlete. We like uh running. But the other part is to show people that downtown isn't dangerous. It's a great place to live, a great place to raise a family, a great place to play. And so, we're running that mile loop, we're going from, you know, Community Campus, uh we're going through DSU's we're going through um Silver Lake, DSU's Downtown Campus, and then coming back to Rail Haus. And then, you get these people who are coming from Wilmington, coming from Philadelphia, and they see this area, and it's like, well, you know, I heard some things about this area, um but the houses are nice, the people are great. Um so that's one of the things that we're trying to do, which is going to try to increase uh property values to do more programs like this. So, that's kind of how I would address that the first point that you made.","topics_json":"[\"business\",\"public_safety\"]","vector_id":"vec_seg_97064_230","created_at":"2026-10-31T05:51:14Z","speaker_name":"Donny Leggins"},{"id":"seg_97064_231","meeting_id":"97064","media_asset_id":"med_97064_34ae2960e8ae89f4","agenda_item_id":null,"speaker_id":"off_brian_e_lewis","speaker_confidence":0.95,"start_sec":6278.07,"end_sec":6285.57,"text":"I I was just, you know, giving you some background and, you know, the reason how, you know, or why I feel the way I do about this fund.","topics_json":"[\"budget\"]","vector_id":"vec_seg_97064_231","created_at":"2026-10-31T05:51:14Z","speaker_name":"Brian E. Lewis"},{"id":"seg_97064_232","meeting_id":"97064","media_asset_id":"med_97064_34ae2960e8ae89f4","agenda_item_id":null,"speaker_id":"spk_97064_donny_leggins","speaker_confidence":0.95,"start_sec":6285.67,"end_sec":6286.27,"text":"Fair enough. Yeah.","topics_json":"[]","vector_id":"vec_seg_97064_232","created_at":"2026-10-31T05:51:14Z","speaker_name":"Donny Leggins"},{"id":"seg_97064_233","meeting_id":"97064","media_asset_id":"med_97064_34ae2960e8ae89f4","agenda_item_id":null,"speaker_id":"off_brian_e_lewis","speaker_confidence":0.95,"start_sec":6286.37,"end_sec":6288.97,"text":"Um do you guys run down South New Street by any chance?","topics_json":"[]","vector_id":"vec_seg_97064_233","created_at":"2026-10-31T05:51:14Z","speaker_name":"Brian E. Lewis"},{"id":"seg_97064_234","meeting_id":"97064","media_asset_id":"med_97064_34ae2960e8ae89f4","agenda_item_id":null,"speaker_id":"spk_97064_donny_leggins","speaker_confidence":0.95,"start_sec":6289.07,"end_sec":6295.37,"text":"We we don't cross over with the runners. We don't cross over Division Street. So, we stay on on the other side of Division Street.","topics_json":"[]","vector_id":"vec_seg_97064_234","created_at":"2026-10-31T05:51:14Z","speaker_name":"Donny Leggins"},{"id":"seg_97064_235","meeting_id":"97064","media_asset_id":"med_97064_34ae2960e8ae89f4","agenda_item_id":null,"speaker_id":"off_brian_e_lewis","speaker_confidence":0.95,"start_sec":6296.17,"end_sec":6302.77,"text":"Okay. Gotcha. No, when you said that, you know, uh you wanted to show people that Dover isn't dangerous, there are areas that still are.","topics_json":"[\"public_safety\"]","vector_id":"vec_seg_97064_235","created_at":"2026-10-31T05:51:14Z","speaker_name":"Brian E. Lewis"},{"id":"seg_97064_236","meeting_id":"97064","media_asset_id":"med_97064_34ae2960e8ae89f4","agenda_item_id":null,"speaker_id":"spk_97064_donny_leggins","speaker_confidence":0.95,"start_sec":6303.37,"end_sec":6304.47,"text":"Yeah, absolutely. Agreed. Yeah.","topics_json":"[\"public_safety\"]","vector_id":"vec_seg_97064_236","created_at":"2026-10-31T05:51:14Z","speaker_name":"Donny Leggins"},{"id":"seg_97064_237","meeting_id":"97064","media_asset_id":"med_97064_34ae2960e8ae89f4","agenda_item_id":null,"speaker_id":"off_brian_e_lewis","speaker_confidence":0.95,"start_sec":6304.77,"end_sec":6311.77,"text":"So. Um thank you very much uh for answering my questions. And again, uh I don't want you to take uh my vote personal.","topics_json":"[]","vector_id":"vec_seg_97064_237","created_at":"2026-10-31T05:51:14Z","speaker_name":"Brian E. Lewis"},{"id":"seg_97064_238","meeting_id":"97064","media_asset_id":"med_97064_34ae2960e8ae89f4","agenda_item_id":null,"speaker_id":"spk_97064_donny_leggins","speaker_confidence":0.95,"start_sec":6311.87,"end_sec":6312.67,"text":"Not at all.","topics_json":"[]","vector_id":"vec_seg_97064_238","created_at":"2026-10-31T05:51:14Z","speaker_name":"Donny Leggins"},{"id":"seg_97064_239","meeting_id":"97064","media_asset_id":"med_97064_34ae2960e8ae89f4","agenda_item_id":null,"speaker_id":"off_brian_e_lewis","speaker_confidence":0.95,"start_sec":6312.77,"end_sec":6313.67,"text":"That's all I have.","topics_json":"[]","vector_id":"vec_seg_97064_239","created_at":"2026-10-31T05:51:14Z","speaker_name":"Brian E. Lewis"},{"id":"seg_97064_24","meeting_id":"97064","media_asset_id":"med_97064_34ae2960e8ae89f4","agenda_item_id":null,"speaker_id":"off_julia_m_pillsbury","speaker_confidence":0.95,"start_sec":1074.1,"end_sec":1077.2,"text":"And how many hours a week do you expect to work?","topics_json":"[\"budget\"]","vector_id":"vec_seg_97064_24","created_at":"2026-10-31T05:51:14Z","speaker_name":"Julia M. Pillsbury"},{"id":"seg_97064_240","meeting_id":"97064","media_asset_id":"med_97064_34ae2960e8ae89f4","agenda_item_id":null,"speaker_id":"off_david_l_anderson","speaker_confidence":0.95,"start_sec":6315.07,"end_sec":6318.17,"text":"Thank you. Um Councilman Boggerty.","topics_json":"[]","vector_id":"vec_seg_97064_240","created_at":"2026-10-31T05:51:14Z","speaker_name":"David L. Anderson"},{"id":"seg_97064_241","meeting_id":"97064","media_asset_id":"med_97064_34ae2960e8ae89f4","agenda_item_id":null,"speaker_id":"off_andre_m_boggerty","speaker_confidence":0.95,"start_sec":6318.77,"end_sec":6327.87,"text":"Thank you. This is you are you are you've been a breath of fresh air. The growth and economic development","topics_json":"[\"business\"]","vector_id":"vec_seg_97064_241","created_at":"2026-10-31T05:51:14Z","speaker_name":"Andre M. Boggerty"},{"id":"seg_97064_242","meeting_id":"97064","media_asset_id":"med_97064_34ae2960e8ae89f4","agenda_item_id":null,"speaker_id":"off_andre_m_boggerty","speaker_confidence":0.95,"start_sec":6327.97,"end_sec":6445.12,"text":"part of our city, we often hinges on activities and things people can do and gather after work. You've been you've been that. You you survived some tough times. You have employed local individuals, some I know personally, some who are on their second chance as well, um to work. Um you survived a tough business. Part of our development and economic um in in in reinvestment is exactly that. So we can continue to grow and change the narrative of our city, um and not just change the narrative of our city, to show that our city does have some amazing places. Every city USA has a location that maybe isn't uh is not desirable yet, but every but every area does have hope. You being downtown are a part of that hope as downtown expands and business continue to grow. So you have my unwavering support because the day you walked me through that building of that's what you call it before you built and you began to point out your vision, I said I have no clue what you're talking about. And then you go there and not only is that bacon burger one of the most amazing burgers in the city, that bacon pretzel burger, as long as you keep that on the menu, you have my support. And you need another TV so I can watch the game when other people are blocking. So you have my support. Thank you for all that you continue to do. Thank you for the dedication that you and your veteran wife continue—well she's still in, correct?","topics_json":"[\"business\"]","vector_id":"vec_seg_97064_242","created_at":"2026-10-31T05:51:14Z","speaker_name":"Andre M. Boggerty"},{"id":"seg_97064_243","meeting_id":"97064","media_asset_id":"med_97064_34ae2960e8ae89f4","agenda_item_id":null,"speaker_id":"spk_97064_donnie_legans","speaker_confidence":0.95,"start_sec":6459.97,"end_sec":6460.97,"text":"She's still in, yes.","topics_json":"[]","vector_id":"vec_seg_97064_243","created_at":"2026-10-31T05:51:14Z","speaker_name":"Donnie Legans"},{"id":"seg_97064_244","meeting_id":"97064","media_asset_id":"med_97064_34ae2960e8ae89f4","agenda_item_id":null,"speaker_id":"off_andre_m_boggerty","speaker_confidence":0.95,"start_sec":6460.97,"end_sec":6484.46,"text":"She's still in. You and your being a veteran and being a veteran wife, and also being a place where veterans and and people in the military when they land they they know to come. I've been there and saw individuals who are service members having a great place to eat and dine and showcasing the the great part of our city in the the the part of Dover that that's absolutely positive and needed. So I yield. Thank you.","topics_json":"[\"business\"]","vector_id":"vec_seg_97064_244","created_at":"2026-10-31T05:51:14Z","speaker_name":"Andre M. Boggerty"},{"id":"seg_97064_245","meeting_id":"97064","media_asset_id":"med_97064_34ae2960e8ae89f4","agenda_item_id":null,"speaker_id":"spk_97064_donnie_legans","speaker_confidence":0.9,"start_sec":6484.97,"end_sec":6486.97,"text":"Thank you, Councilperson. Thank you.","topics_json":"[]","vector_id":"vec_seg_97064_245","created_at":"2026-10-31T05:51:14Z","speaker_name":"Donnie Legans"},{"id":"seg_97064_246","meeting_id":"97064","media_asset_id":"med_97064_34ae2960e8ae89f4","agenda_item_id":null,"speaker_id":"off_brian_e_lewis","speaker_confidence":0.95,"start_sec":6486.97,"end_sec":6503.26,"text":"Thank you. I'm going to take more from uh uh members of the committee, but I'd like to open up uh to the public cuz I I see somebody I know somebody has to go back home, so I'm going to open up to members of the public right now.","topics_json":"[]","vector_id":"vec_seg_97064_246","created_at":"2026-10-31T05:51:14Z","speaker_name":"Brian E. 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Lewis"},{"id":"seg_97064_251","meeting_id":"97064","media_asset_id":"med_97064_34ae2960e8ae89f4","agenda_item_id":null,"speaker_id":"off_fred_a_neil","speaker_confidence":0.95,"start_sec":6509.47,"end_sec":6515.97,"text":"Uh Mr. Legans, I've asked this from time after time after time: when are you going to show up here in lederhosen?","topics_json":"[]","vector_id":"vec_seg_97064_251","created_at":"2026-10-31T05:51:14Z","speaker_name":"Fred A. Neil"},{"id":"seg_97064_252","meeting_id":"97064","media_asset_id":"med_97064_34ae2960e8ae89f4","agenda_item_id":null,"speaker_id":"spk_97064_donnie_legans","speaker_confidence":0.95,"start_sec":6515.97,"end_sec":6518.86,"text":"I came right from Dover. I would have done it today, but—","topics_json":"[]","vector_id":"vec_seg_97064_252","created_at":"2026-10-31T05:51:14Z","speaker_name":"Donnie Legans"},{"id":"seg_97064_253","meeting_id":"97064","media_asset_id":"med_97064_34ae2960e8ae89f4","agenda_item_id":null,"speaker_id":"off_fred_a_neil","speaker_confidence":0.95,"start_sec":6518.97,"end_sec":6520.47,"text":"I yield.","topics_json":"[]","vector_id":"vec_seg_97064_253","created_at":"2026-10-31T05:51:14Z","speaker_name":"Fred A. Neil"},{"id":"seg_97064_254","meeting_id":"97064","media_asset_id":"med_97064_34ae2960e8ae89f4","agenda_item_id":null,"speaker_id":"off_brian_e_lewis","speaker_confidence":0.95,"start_sec":6520.47,"end_sec":6523.97,"text":"Thank you. Please be careful coming down. Thank you.","topics_json":"[]","vector_id":"vec_seg_97064_254","created_at":"2026-10-31T05:51:14Z","speaker_name":"Brian E. Lewis"},{"id":"seg_97064_255","meeting_id":"97064","media_asset_id":"med_97064_34ae2960e8ae89f4","agenda_item_id":null,"speaker_id":"spk_97064_bonnie_pennington","speaker_confidence":0.95,"start_sec":6526.77,"end_sec":6533.47,"text":"Hi. My name is Bonnie. I live on Kirkwood Street. I actually live right across the street from the Rail Haus. Now—","topics_json":"[\"business\"]","vector_id":"vec_seg_97064_255","created_at":"2026-10-31T05:51:14Z","speaker_name":"Bonnie Pennington"},{"id":"seg_97064_256","meeting_id":"97064","media_asset_id":"med_97064_34ae2960e8ae89f4","agenda_item_id":null,"speaker_id":"off_brian_e_lewis","speaker_confidence":0.95,"start_sec":6533.77,"end_sec":6535.77,"text":"Can we get your full name, Mrs. Pennington?","topics_json":"[]","vector_id":"vec_seg_97064_256","created_at":"2026-10-31T05:51:14Z","speaker_name":"Brian E. Lewis"},{"id":"seg_97064_257","meeting_id":"97064","media_asset_id":"med_97064_34ae2960e8ae89f4","agenda_item_id":null,"speaker_id":"spk_97064_bonnie_pennington","speaker_confidence":0.95,"start_sec":6535.97,"end_sec":6582.97,"text":"Uh Bonnie Pennington. Um 4 years ago when Donnie first started to open up this bar, I had the main issue. I will not lie. I live right there on the corner. People parked right there in my alley everywhere. I have no issue with that. Now you need to change your mind because Donnie has done a lot in that area, believe it or not, because it's a beer bar. It's it's amazing when you're sitting in the living room and you can hear all them little kids out there having fun. Y'all talk about getting the community together, having something to do for the kids, having them enjoying the outside. Well Donnie does it. I was there on Easter weekend and it was amazing what he done for them children on Easter Sunday. Not nobody else would have done what Donnie done. So before you give the answer no, maybe you should think a little harder cuz I would be the first one to admit I butted heads with Donnie when I first met him. And I'm just honest. I'm going to tell you straight up. We went head to head toe to toe. And right now I made a mistake because I see all the stuff that he's trying to do on that street to improve Kirkwood and what's that Mary Street or Webb Street behind me? Where you at?","topics_json":"[\"business\"]","vector_id":"vec_seg_97064_257","created_at":"2026-10-31T05:51:14Z","speaker_name":"Bonnie Pennington"},{"id":"seg_97064_258","meeting_id":"97064","media_asset_id":"med_97064_34ae2960e8ae89f4","agenda_item_id":null,"speaker_id":"spk_97064_donnie_legans","speaker_confidence":0.95,"start_sec":6583.77,"end_sec":6584.67,"text":"West Street.","topics_json":"[]","vector_id":"vec_seg_97064_258","created_at":"2026-10-31T05:51:14Z","speaker_name":"Donnie Legans"},{"id":"seg_97064_259","meeting_id":"97064","media_asset_id":"med_97064_34ae2960e8ae89f4","agenda_item_id":null,"speaker_id":"spk_97064_bonnie_pennington","speaker_confidence":0.95,"start_sec":6584.67,"end_sec":6651.47,"text":"West Street. I don't pay attention to the streets, I just live there. So I'm telling you what I see, what I hear every day, what I accomplish. I'm not going to lie. I actually went down there and tried one of the beers. They were actually pretty good. I'm not going to lie. He's actually brought that area up, and I think if you guys give him the chance to put that grass out there and make that community better, it's going to bring a lot more people into town. Listen, that road when it gets wet, it floods out. I can be the first one to tell you when I first moved there, I walked out on that street, water was up to my kneecaps. So you guys improving that area with that bar, you brought the water level up a little bit, but not as, you know, it should be. But I'm going to tell you something right here and right now: I will back Donnie up 100% now trying to help him to get that club the way it needs to be and obtained just so he can run it. That's all I got to say.","topics_json":"[\"business\"]","vector_id":"vec_seg_97064_259","created_at":"2026-10-31T05:51:14Z","speaker_name":"Bonnie Pennington"},{"id":"seg_97064_26","meeting_id":"97064","media_asset_id":"med_97064_34ae2960e8ae89f4","agenda_item_id":null,"speaker_id":"off_julia_m_pillsbury","speaker_confidence":0.95,"start_sec":1078.5,"end_sec":1080.6,"text":"No, you personally, as the CEO.","topics_json":"[]","vector_id":"vec_seg_97064_26","created_at":"2026-10-31T05:51:14Z","speaker_name":"Julia M. Pillsbury"},{"id":"seg_97064_260","meeting_id":"97064","media_asset_id":"med_97064_34ae2960e8ae89f4","agenda_item_id":null,"speaker_id":"off_brian_e_lewis","speaker_confidence":0.95,"start_sec":6652.87,"end_sec":6667.77,"text":"Thank you. Now you got to get back to your grandson, so thank you for coming out tonight. Uh since being fair, any other members of the public, uh come on forward, please. And then I am going to give back to members of the committee.","topics_json":"[]","vector_id":"vec_seg_97064_260","created_at":"2026-10-31T05:51:15Z","speaker_name":"Brian E. Lewis"},{"id":"seg_97064_261","meeting_id":"97064","media_asset_id":"med_97064_34ae2960e8ae89f4","agenda_item_id":null,"speaker_id":"spk_97064_cameron_llewellyn","speaker_confidence":0.95,"start_sec":6669.17,"end_sec":6702.77,"text":"My name is Cameron Llewellyn, 117 West Reed Street, um what's left of of that facility after the collision last night. So um many of you here know that um we did a lot of the construction work there uh when the beer garden was built. So I want to give you a quick history lesson just to kind of help you guys understand, uh especially you, Councilman Lewis. The um that facility in the '30s, '40s, and '50s was part of the railroad. Does anybody here know what creosote is?","topics_json":"[\"business\"]","vector_id":"vec_seg_97064_261","created_at":"2026-10-31T05:51:15Z","speaker_name":"Cameron Llewellyn"},{"id":"seg_97064_262","meeting_id":"97064","media_asset_id":"med_97064_34ae2960e8ae89f4","agenda_item_id":null,"speaker_id":"off_brian_e_lewis","speaker_confidence":0.9,"start_sec":6702.97,"end_sec":6703.77,"text":"Oh yeah.","topics_json":"[]","vector_id":"vec_seg_97064_262","created_at":"2026-10-31T05:51:15Z","speaker_name":"Brian E. Lewis"},{"id":"seg_97064_263","meeting_id":"97064","media_asset_id":"med_97064_34ae2960e8ae89f4","agenda_item_id":null,"speaker_id":"spk_97064_cameron_llewellyn","speaker_confidence":0.95,"start_sec":6703.97,"end_sec":6704.97,"text":"Okay, what was it?","topics_json":"[]","vector_id":"vec_seg_97064_263","created_at":"2026-10-31T05:51:15Z","speaker_name":"Cameron Llewellyn"},{"id":"seg_97064_264","meeting_id":"97064","media_asset_id":"med_97064_34ae2960e8ae89f4","agenda_item_id":null,"speaker_id":"off_brian_e_lewis","speaker_confidence":0.9,"start_sec":6704.97,"end_sec":6707.97,"text":"Yep, that creosote, that's on the uh ties.","topics_json":"[]","vector_id":"vec_seg_97064_264","created_at":"2026-10-31T05:51:15Z","speaker_name":"Brian E. Lewis"},{"id":"seg_97064_265","meeting_id":"97064","media_asset_id":"med_97064_34ae2960e8ae89f4","agenda_item_id":null,"speaker_id":"spk_97064_cameron_llewellyn","speaker_confidence":0.95,"start_sec":6707.97,"end_sec":6861.97,"text":"Railroad ties. Also, all through The reason the the roof of that building was intact is it was coated with creosote. So no matter how bad the roof leaked, it was basically better than pressure-treated. So when we dug in that area uh to put the conduits in and uh, you know, handle all the infrastructure for the speakers and sound and lights and so on, it was like digging almost like through asphalt because that is where they put creosote on the railroad ties. So you put creosote into sand and it's it's basically like asphalt. And if we dug through it, and it you know, it became almost like this black talcum powder-like substance, and then after it would rain, it turned back into almost asphalt. Uh you couldn't dig through it. You had to jackhammer and pick through it. So so the there's nobody in their right mind that would buy that property and put a beer garden there. I think we all agree, right? So yeah. So we thought the reason we had issues with uh it was there was a lot of concrete there, and we got all that concrete out and we sent it over to Corrado's and had it crushed, uh but it still would not drain. Um Donnie didn't have the money in his budget for us to dig down 4, 5 feet and pull all that material out, export it, it where's it go? Who's going to take it? I don't know. Um it's going to cost a lot of money. So we went down about 6 inches, put topsoil in, put sod in, and said, \"We got to send it, because we have a restaurant to open, because if we don't we don't get open, it's a self-fulfilling prophecy that everybody that was a naysayer driving by there saying 'This man's lost his mind', they were going to be right.\" So so we agreed that we were just going to put sod down over a couple inches of topsoil and it is what it is, um but it it has created a problem because nothing will perk through it. It just the the water sits on top and it it's uh it's closer to a parking lot than it is grass. Uh but these engineered uh grasses, we can uh the the folks that gave him this proposal can grade that and handle that a little bit better, and uh you know, that's kind of the the why. As for the air conditioning he's he's looking for, it it just makes that usable again. So any questions, speak up. Otherwise, I'm just here to enlighten you uh just a little bit, okay?","topics_json":"[\"business\"]","vector_id":"vec_seg_97064_265","created_at":"2026-10-31T05:51:15Z","speaker_name":"Cameron Llewellyn"},{"id":"seg_97064_266","meeting_id":"97064","media_asset_id":"med_97064_34ae2960e8ae89f4","agenda_item_id":null,"speaker_id":"off_gerald_l_rocha_sr","speaker_confidence":0.95,"start_sec":6863.97,"end_sec":6866.47,"text":"I'm very familiar. May I—","topics_json":"[]","vector_id":"vec_seg_97064_266","created_at":"2026-10-31T05:51:15Z","speaker_name":"Gerald L. Rocha, Sr."},{"id":"seg_97064_267","meeting_id":"97064","media_asset_id":"med_97064_34ae2960e8ae89f4","agenda_item_id":null,"speaker_id":"off_brian_e_lewis","speaker_confidence":0.95,"start_sec":6866.47,"end_sec":6868.17,"text":"Councilman Rocha, you're recognized.","topics_json":"[]","vector_id":"vec_seg_97064_267","created_at":"2026-10-31T05:51:15Z","speaker_name":"Brian E. Lewis"},{"id":"seg_97064_268","meeting_id":"97064","media_asset_id":"med_97064_34ae2960e8ae89f4","agenda_item_id":null,"speaker_id":"off_gerald_l_rocha_sr","speaker_confidence":0.95,"start_sec":6868.17,"end_sec":6903.97,"text":"Thank you. Um I think it's it's going to be um it's enhance that area, and you know I've I've DJ'd there before. It's a high traffic area, so the grass probably, you know, is going to be an issue. I think that grade, and I think between the different seasons, it's just going to, you know, enhance it for outdoor activities no matter what time of the year it is. I you know, I'm I'm fully in support of what what is being presented tonight, so with that said, I I yield.","topics_json":"[\"business\"]","vector_id":"vec_seg_97064_268","created_at":"2026-10-31T05:51:15Z","speaker_name":"Gerald L. Rocha, Sr."},{"id":"seg_97064_269","meeting_id":"97064","media_asset_id":"med_97064_34ae2960e8ae89f4","agenda_item_id":null,"speaker_id":"off_brian_e_lewis","speaker_confidence":0.95,"start_sec":6904.47,"end_sec":6912.97,"text":"Any other members of the public? Okay, I'm going to go back to the committee then. Uh Dr. Sudler, you're recognized.","topics_json":"[]","vector_id":"vec_seg_97064_269","created_at":"2026-10-31T05:51:15Z","speaker_name":"Brian E. Lewis"},{"id":"seg_97064_27","meeting_id":"97064","media_asset_id":"med_97064_34ae2960e8ae89f4","agenda_item_id":null,"speaker_id":"spk_97064_bobby_wilson","speaker_confidence":0.95,"start_sec":1080.6,"end_sec":1087.3,"text":"Uh, I will be working around the clock. As long as my guys are on the boots on the ground, I will be working.","topics_json":"[]","vector_id":"vec_seg_97064_27","created_at":"2026-10-31T05:51:14Z","speaker_name":"Bobby Wilson"},{"id":"seg_97064_270","meeting_id":"97064","media_asset_id":"med_97064_34ae2960e8ae89f4","agenda_item_id":null,"speaker_id":"off_roy_sudler_jr","speaker_confidence":0.95,"start_sec":6917.97,"end_sec":6937.47,"text":"I just wanted to thank you for recognizing me. I just wanted to say, um, great job Donnie with what you've done, especially in the 4th District. It's a great, um, model for other businesses to, uh, mimic, and I appreciate you being there and for the city of Dover, and my, our constituents. Thank you, thank you for investing in the city of Dover. I yield.","topics_json":"[\"business\"]","vector_id":"vec_seg_97064_270","created_at":"2026-10-31T05:51:15Z","speaker_name":"Roy Sudler, Jr."},{"id":"seg_97064_271","meeting_id":"97064","media_asset_id":"med_97064_34ae2960e8ae89f4","agenda_item_id":null,"speaker_id":"spk_97064_donnie_legans","speaker_confidence":0.95,"start_sec":6937.77,"end_sec":6939.77,"text":"Very welcome. Thank you.","topics_json":"[]","vector_id":"vec_seg_97064_271","created_at":"2026-10-31T05:51:15Z","speaker_name":"Donnie Legans"},{"id":"seg_97064_272","meeting_id":"97064","media_asset_id":"med_97064_34ae2960e8ae89f4","agenda_item_id":null,"speaker_id":"off_brian_e_lewis","speaker_confidence":0.95,"start_sec":6939.97,"end_sec":6942.47,"text":"Thank you. Uh Councilman Rocha.","topics_json":"[]","vector_id":"vec_seg_97064_272","created_at":"2026-10-31T05:51:15Z","speaker_name":"Brian E. Lewis"},{"id":"seg_97064_273","meeting_id":"97064","media_asset_id":"med_97064_34ae2960e8ae89f4","agenda_item_id":null,"speaker_id":"off_gerald_l_rocha_sr","speaker_confidence":0.95,"start_sec":6942.47,"end_sec":6995.47,"text":"Uh just one more thing also, um in reference to the downtown district and what is getting ready to happen on on Loockerman Street, I think once we see the full uh you know, by 2030 or whatever that takes place, you will see the connection between where the beer garden is located and the proximity of Lock- Lockerman I know I'm saying that wrong, but I you know, for for all intents and purposes, Loockerman Street. Um I think that the development is going to extend and around to your location, which will be embraced by the foot traffic that's going to be in that area. So you are included, as you said, in the downtown uh district. Thank you, I yield.","topics_json":"[\"business\"]","vector_id":"vec_seg_97064_273","created_at":"2026-10-31T05:51:15Z","speaker_name":"Gerald L. Rocha, Sr."},{"id":"seg_97064_274","meeting_id":"97064","media_asset_id":"med_97064_34ae2960e8ae89f4","agenda_item_id":null,"speaker_id":"off_brian_e_lewis","speaker_confidence":0.95,"start_sec":6995.97,"end_sec":6997.47,"text":"Thank you.","topics_json":"[]","vector_id":"vec_seg_97064_274","created_at":"2026-10-31T05:51:15Z","speaker_name":"Brian E. Lewis"},{"id":"seg_97064_275","meeting_id":"97064","media_asset_id":"med_97064_34ae2960e8ae89f4","agenda_item_id":null,"speaker_id":"off_gerald_l_rocha_sr","speaker_confidence":0.95,"start_sec":6997.47,"end_sec":6999.47,"text":"And I believe Mr. Garfinkel, he had a comment.","topics_json":"[]","vector_id":"vec_seg_97064_275","created_at":"2026-10-31T05:51:15Z","speaker_name":"Gerald L. Rocha, Sr."},{"id":"seg_97064_276","meeting_id":"97064","media_asset_id":"med_97064_34ae2960e8ae89f4","agenda_item_id":null,"speaker_id":"off_brian_e_lewis","speaker_confidence":0.95,"start_sec":6999.47,"end_sec":7001.47,"text":"Uh Mr. Garfinkel.","topics_json":"[]","vector_id":"vec_seg_97064_276","created_at":"2026-10-31T05:51:15Z","speaker_name":"Brian E. Lewis"},{"id":"seg_97064_277","meeting_id":"97064","media_asset_id":"med_97064_34ae2960e8ae89f4","agenda_item_id":null,"speaker_id":"spk_97064_jonathan_garfinkel","speaker_confidence":0.95,"start_sec":7001.97,"end_sec":7013.47,"text":"Thank you. Uh congratulations on developing a very thriving business, it's uh not a small feat. What is the duration of this project?","topics_json":"[\"business\"]","vector_id":"vec_seg_97064_277","created_at":"2026-10-31T05:51:15Z","speaker_name":"Jonathan Garfinkel"},{"id":"seg_97064_278","meeting_id":"97064","media_asset_id":"med_97064_34ae2960e8ae89f4","agenda_item_id":null,"speaker_id":"spk_97064_donnie_legans","speaker_confidence":0.95,"start_sec":7013.97,"end_sec":7059.97,"text":"Um they they can actually do it this winter, um once we say go. It's probably um 10-day process to get the old sod off, level it off, put the nail boards in, um get the materials to us. Um we're trying to go to DE Turf to be cost-effective and see if they have any old turf. I know Fifer redid their area with old DE Turf. I reached out to Linda Parkowski, she said, \"Uh it's it's all spent.\" They they they used it all, so I'll keep reaching out for um So they have a huge area and they replace those fields every so often. Um so it was a chance that I thought we could save a few dollars. Um but other than that, we'll just get it brand new. Um so it's, you know, it's the the cost that was in the budget versus a little bit cheaper if I got it from DE Turf.","topics_json":"[\"business\"]","vector_id":"vec_seg_97064_278","created_at":"2026-10-31T05:51:15Z","speaker_name":"Donnie Legans"},{"id":"seg_97064_279","meeting_id":"97064","media_asset_id":"med_97064_34ae2960e8ae89f4","agenda_item_id":null,"speaker_id":"spk_97064_jonathan_garfinkel","speaker_confidence":0.95,"start_sec":7060.47,"end_sec":7066.47,"text":"Did did you initially try to obtain this loan from a bank or a credit union?","topics_json":"[\"business\"]","vector_id":"vec_seg_97064_279","created_at":"2026-10-31T05:51:15Z","speaker_name":"Jonathan Garfinkel"},{"id":"seg_97064_28","meeting_id":"97064","media_asset_id":"med_97064_34ae2960e8ae89f4","agenda_item_id":null,"speaker_id":"off_julia_m_pillsbury","speaker_confidence":0.95,"start_sec":1087.5,"end_sec":1091.3,"text":"And you responsible for any other programs during that time?","topics_json":"[]","vector_id":"vec_seg_97064_28","created_at":"2026-10-31T05:51:14Z","speaker_name":"Julia M. Pillsbury"},{"id":"seg_97064_280","meeting_id":"97064","media_asset_id":"med_97064_34ae2960e8ae89f4","agenda_item_id":null,"speaker_id":"spk_97064_donnie_legans","speaker_confidence":0.95,"start_sec":7066.47,"end_sec":7085.97,"text":"Um I did not. So we just invested in uh the tent, the the ceiling part. Um and that was a sizable investment to make sure that, you know, you're protected from the elements, rain, um that sort of thing. Um we didn't have enough for the the grounds. Uh we just did that investment last year, it was 20, 25.","topics_json":"[\"business\"]","vector_id":"vec_seg_97064_280","created_at":"2026-10-31T05:51:15Z","speaker_name":"Donnie Legans"},{"id":"seg_97064_281","meeting_id":"97064","media_asset_id":"med_97064_34ae2960e8ae89f4","agenda_item_id":null,"speaker_id":"spk_97064_jonathan_garfinkel","speaker_confidence":0.95,"start_sec":7086.47,"end_sec":7089.97,"text":"So your CapEx your capital money is pretty much gone?","topics_json":"[\"business\"]","vector_id":"vec_seg_97064_281","created_at":"2026-10-31T05:51:15Z","speaker_name":"Jonathan Garfinkel"},{"id":"seg_97064_282","meeting_id":"97064","media_asset_id":"med_97064_34ae2960e8ae89f4","agenda_item_id":null,"speaker_id":"spk_97064_donnie_legans","speaker_confidence":0.95,"start_sec":7089.97,"end_sec":7101.47,"text":"Yeah, we're trying to we're trying to use the operational funds to do more of this. So this is going to be um entangled with our current um bank account to make sure this happens. If there's any overages with the project, we'll make it happen.","topics_json":"[\"business\"]","vector_id":"vec_seg_97064_282","created_at":"2026-10-31T05:51:15Z","speaker_name":"Donnie Legans"},{"id":"seg_97064_283","meeting_id":"97064","media_asset_id":"med_97064_34ae2960e8ae89f4","agenda_item_id":null,"speaker_id":"spk_97064_jonathan_garfinkel","speaker_confidence":0.95,"start_sec":7101.97,"end_sec":7103.97,"text":"So your cash flow is fine?","topics_json":"[\"business\"]","vector_id":"vec_seg_97064_283","created_at":"2026-10-31T05:51:15Z","speaker_name":"Jonathan Garfinkel"},{"id":"seg_97064_284","meeting_id":"97064","media_asset_id":"med_97064_34ae2960e8ae89f4","agenda_item_id":null,"speaker_id":"spk_97064_donnie_legans","speaker_confidence":0.95,"start_sec":7103.97,"end_sec":7104.97,"text":"It's fine.","topics_json":"[\"business\"]","vector_id":"vec_seg_97064_284","created_at":"2026-10-31T05:51:15Z","speaker_name":"Donnie Legans"},{"id":"seg_97064_285","meeting_id":"97064","media_asset_id":"med_97064_34ae2960e8ae89f4","agenda_item_id":null,"speaker_id":"spk_97064_jonathan_garfinkel","speaker_confidence":0.95,"start_sec":7104.97,"end_sec":7105.97,"text":"Okay. Thank you.","topics_json":"[]","vector_id":"vec_seg_97064_285","created_at":"2026-10-31T05:51:15Z","speaker_name":"Jonathan Garfinkel"},{"id":"seg_97064_286","meeting_id":"97064","media_asset_id":"med_97064_34ae2960e8ae89f4","agenda_item_id":null,"speaker_id":"off_brian_e_lewis","speaker_confidence":0.95,"start_sec":7107.97,"end_sec":7111.97,"text":"Thank you. You're you're Okay, thank you.","topics_json":"[]","vector_id":"vec_seg_97064_286","created_at":"2026-10-31T05:51:15Z","speaker_name":"Brian E. 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A young man came into my office during COVID with an idea, and dream big or go home, I told you, remember? And you had a big dream and you didn't go home, and I'm glad you're here. And I glad to see you expand. My only other request is my only other comment before I make a request of you, Donnie, uh is that your neighbors love you, and I know other establishments in this community that the neighbors don't like. So that's a feather in your cap, and just continue the great work. And can you start having some light beer? I yield, Mr. Chairman.","topics_json":"[\"business\"]","vector_id":"vec_seg_97064_289","created_at":"2026-10-31T05:51:15Z","speaker_name":"Robin R. Christiansen"},{"id":"seg_97064_29","meeting_id":"97064","media_asset_id":"med_97064_34ae2960e8ae89f4","agenda_item_id":null,"speaker_id":"spk_97064_bobby_wilson","speaker_confidence":0.95,"start_sec":1091.3,"end_sec":1094.7,"text":"I have a business. Yes, US Veteran Builder.","topics_json":"[\"business\"]","vector_id":"vec_seg_97064_29","created_at":"2026-10-31T05:51:14Z","speaker_name":"Bobby Wilson"},{"id":"seg_97064_290","meeting_id":"97064","media_asset_id":"med_97064_34ae2960e8ae89f4","agenda_item_id":null,"speaker_id":"spk_97064_donnie_legans","speaker_confidence":0.95,"start_sec":7164.97,"end_sec":7167.97,"text":"For you, Mayor, of course. Yes.","topics_json":"[]","vector_id":"vec_seg_97064_290","created_at":"2026-10-31T05:51:15Z","speaker_name":"Donnie Legans"},{"id":"seg_97064_291","meeting_id":"97064","media_asset_id":"med_97064_34ae2960e8ae89f4","agenda_item_id":null,"speaker_id":"off_brian_e_lewis","speaker_confidence":0.95,"start_sec":7168.97,"end_sec":7176.47,"text":"All right. Thank you. Anyone else? Uh comments? Uh then I—","topics_json":"[]","vector_id":"vec_seg_97064_291","created_at":"2026-10-31T05:51:15Z","speaker_name":"Brian E. Lewis"},{"id":"seg_97064_292","meeting_id":"97064","media_asset_id":"med_97064_34ae2960e8ae89f4","agenda_item_id":null,"speaker_id":"spk_97064_dave_hugg","speaker_confidence":0.95,"start_sec":7177.47,"end_sec":7190.97,"text":"The only thing that I need to do on behalf of Donnie is just is to tell you that we that I've recommended approval of this application, and need council's approval this evening to move forward.","topics_json":"[\"business\"]","vector_id":"vec_seg_97064_292","created_at":"2026-10-31T05:51:15Z","speaker_name":"Dave Hugg"},{"id":"seg_97064_293","meeting_id":"97064","media_asset_id":"med_97064_34ae2960e8ae89f4","agenda_item_id":null,"speaker_id":"off_brian_e_lewis","speaker_confidence":0.95,"start_sec":7190.97,"end_sec":7204.47,"text":"Thank you. I thank you. So the if there has been staff uh recommendation of approval. What is the pleasure of uh committee? Uh Councilman Rocha, you're recognized.","topics_json":"[]","vector_id":"vec_seg_97064_293","created_at":"2026-10-31T05:51:15Z","speaker_name":"Brian E. Lewis"},{"id":"seg_97064_294","meeting_id":"97064","media_asset_id":"med_97064_34ae2960e8ae89f4","agenda_item_id":null,"speaker_id":"off_gerald_l_rocha_sr","speaker_confidence":0.95,"start_sec":7204.47,"end_sec":7214.47,"text":"I I move to accept staff recommendation for the repo- the approval of the grant by uh Legislative Finance and Administration Committee in the amount of $50,000.","topics_json":"[\"budget\"]","vector_id":"vec_seg_97064_294","created_at":"2026-10-31T05:51:15Z","speaker_name":"Gerald L. 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Lewis"},{"id":"seg_97064_297","meeting_id":"97064","media_asset_id":"med_97064_34ae2960e8ae89f4","agenda_item_id":null,"speaker_id":"off_david_l_anderson","speaker_confidence":1,"start_sec":7231.96,"end_sec":7418.16,"text":"I'm going to uh gladly support this application. Uh, I what because and uh, I always uh want to have an explanation. I'm going to explain why so that people have a standard of why I'm voting for this. And I may or may not vote for something else. I I'm looking at it for community impact. Um, I'm for every business uh doing well. However, we don't have uh economic development money for every business. And so, I'm looking to see why should this one be different than just helping a business that we do with money we give to DDP with facade grants. A lot of businesses get them, etc. You've gotten that before. Um, but this fund's special and it and one of the criteria is community impact. Even though it's a for-profit business, it meets that community impact tremendously. Um, and the community would be so much poorer without this business. And I think the the micro businesses that depend upon it, the nonprofits, the you've built not just a wonderful business with delicious food, by the way, you know, I had some events, brought some people at events there. Um, but also with quite frankly, it's been a positive thing for the nonprofits. It's been a positive thing to get other businesses started. And so this is an economic development incubator. And I think this is exactly what we're looking for with this fund. It's the exact reason why we developed this fund. We developed this fund so that when we money was came from the sale of properties in Garrison, in particular, that that money wouldn't just be spent. But it would be reinvested back into economic development, and creating jobs, and creating workforce development, and creating new business, and creating a better community. That was the purpose of it. So otherwise, it would just end up getting spent, brought back into the general budget, we'd never see it again, and we would lose the impact. This is the reinvestment so that we can keep building taxable income. We after we do this, your property's going to be more valuable, we'll get more taxes off of it, which is a good thing. Um, but this is a, but it keeps building the economy, jobs, taxable income. And that's what we're doing, reinvesting into the community. Um, with that, if there's no Councilman Lewis?","topics_json":"[\"budget\",\"business\",\"taxes\"]","vector_id":"vec_seg_97064_297","created_at":"2026-10-31T05:51:15Z","speaker_name":"David L. Anderson"},{"id":"seg_97064_298","meeting_id":"97064","media_asset_id":"med_97064_34ae2960e8ae89f4","agenda_item_id":null,"speaker_id":"off_brian_e_lewis","speaker_confidence":1,"start_sec":7422.96,"end_sec":7476.96,"text":"I'm not going to vote no. I'm going to abstain. I'm not going to vote at all. And again, it has nothing to do with you or your restaurant. It has to do with the economic development fund. My concern is, and this is for the record, and Mr. Hugg knows and is well very well aware of my position on this, is it used to go into the general fund. And if we got into a jam where the city went into a deficit, we would be able to use that money instead of raise taxes. So that's my rationale behind the whole thing. And I stand that with any application that comes before us that's looking for money from the economic development fund. Because I'm concerned, okay, the way the budget looks, that we may go into a deficit. I'm not saying we are, but it kind of looks a little gloomy. So that's where I stand on that. So that has nothing to do with you, nothing to do with your restaurant. You're doing a fabulous job. So I'm just going to abstain. Thank you.","topics_json":"[\"budget\",\"taxes\",\"business\"]","vector_id":"vec_seg_97064_298","created_at":"2026-10-31T05:51:15Z","speaker_name":"Brian E. Lewis"},{"id":"seg_97064_299","meeting_id":"97064","media_asset_id":"med_97064_34ae2960e8ae89f4","agenda_item_id":null,"speaker_id":"off_david_l_anderson","speaker_confidence":1,"start_sec":7477.96,"end_sec":7483.56,"text":"Yes, thank you. Uh Madam Clerk, uh please call the roll.","topics_json":"[]","vector_id":"vec_seg_97064_299","created_at":"2026-10-31T05:51:15Z","speaker_name":"David L. 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With my other staff members, um with my secretary, uh with my other staff members. That would be that $1,000 a week would be broken down with their support as well.","topics_json":"[\"budget\"]","vector_id":"vec_seg_97064_31","created_at":"2026-10-31T05:51:14Z","speaker_name":"Bobby Wilson"},{"id":"seg_97064_310","meeting_id":"97064","media_asset_id":"med_97064_34ae2960e8ae89f4","agenda_item_id":null,"speaker_id":"spk_97064_city_clerk","speaker_confidence":1,"start_sec":7510.36,"end_sec":7511.96,"text":"Mr. Rocha?","topics_json":"[]","vector_id":"vec_seg_97064_310","created_at":"2026-10-31T05:51:15Z","speaker_name":null},{"id":"seg_97064_311","meeting_id":"97064","media_asset_id":"med_97064_34ae2960e8ae89f4","agenda_item_id":null,"speaker_id":"off_gerald_l_rocha_sr","speaker_confidence":1,"start_sec":7511.96,"end_sec":7513.26,"text":"Yes.","topics_json":"[]","vector_id":"vec_seg_97064_311","created_at":"2026-10-31T05:51:15Z","speaker_name":"Gerald L. 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Thank you.","topics_json":"[]","vector_id":"vec_seg_97064_322","created_at":"2026-10-31T05:51:15Z","speaker_name":"David L. Anderson"},{"id":"seg_97064_323","meeting_id":"97064","media_asset_id":"med_97064_34ae2960e8ae89f4","agenda_item_id":null,"speaker_id":"spk_97064_speaker_unknown","speaker_confidence":0.5,"start_sec":7548.76,"end_sec":7551.36,"text":"Thank you, guys. Appreciate it.","topics_json":"[]","vector_id":"vec_seg_97064_323","created_at":"2026-10-31T05:51:15Z","speaker_name":null},{"id":"seg_97064_324","meeting_id":"97064","media_asset_id":"med_97064_34ae2960e8ae89f4","agenda_item_id":null,"speaker_id":"off_david_l_anderson","speaker_confidence":1,"start_sec":7551.36,"end_sec":7559.96,"text":"That brings us to item three, Silver Lake Dam repairs. Mr. Lyon.","topics_json":"[]","vector_id":"vec_seg_97064_324","created_at":"2026-10-31T05:51:15Z","speaker_name":"David L. 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It was a Christmas","topics_json":"[]","vector_id":"vec_seg_97064_330","created_at":"2026-10-31T05:51:15Z","speaker_name":"uh Jason Lyon"},{"id":"seg_97064_331","meeting_id":"97064","media_asset_id":"med_97064_34ae2960e8ae89f4","agenda_item_id":null,"speaker_id":"off_andre_m_boggerty","speaker_confidence":1,"start_sec":7581.46,"end_sec":7582.46,"text":"You will be able to get it.","topics_json":"[]","vector_id":"vec_seg_97064_331","created_at":"2026-10-31T05:51:15Z","speaker_name":"Andre M. Boggerty"},{"id":"seg_97064_332","meeting_id":"97064","media_asset_id":"med_97064_34ae2960e8ae89f4","agenda_item_id":null,"speaker_id":"off_david_l_anderson","speaker_confidence":1,"start_sec":7582.96,"end_sec":7587.26,"text":"Good, good. You're recognized for your presentation, Mr. Lyon.","topics_json":"[]","vector_id":"vec_seg_97064_332","created_at":"2026-10-31T05:51:15Z","speaker_name":"David L. Anderson"},{"id":"seg_97064_333","meeting_id":"97064","media_asset_id":"med_97064_34ae2960e8ae89f4","agenda_item_id":null,"speaker_id":"spk_97064_uh_jason_lyon","speaker_confidence":1,"start_sec":7587.26,"end_sec":7657.16,"text":"Uh good evening, uh Chair, uh fellow council members and team Dover. My name is uh Jason Lyon, director of water, wastewater and engineering services. Before you this evening is a semi-annual uh repair project that we do to our Silver Lake dam. Um somewhat close proximity to the rail house that we were talking about. Um so as everyone knows, the dam um is significantly aged. Uh so we do an annual inspection on the dam uh to see what needs to be done and repaired.","topics_json":"[]","vector_id":"vec_seg_97064_333","created_at":"2026-10-31T05:51:15Z","speaker_name":"uh Jason Lyon"},{"id":"seg_97064_334","meeting_id":"97064","media_asset_id":"med_97064_34ae2960e8ae89f4","agenda_item_id":null,"speaker_id":"off_david_l_anderson","speaker_confidence":1,"start_sec":7657.16,"end_sec":7659.56,"text":"Could you hold on a moment, please?","topics_json":"[]","vector_id":"vec_seg_97064_334","created_at":"2026-10-31T05:51:15Z","speaker_name":"David L. 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Um so the results of the previous inspection yielded some repairs that needed to be done. They are listed on your committee action form, but for reference, there's some underground repairs that need to be underwater repairs that need to be done. Some fence underneath the water level needs to be repaired. High-density epoxy, some riprap, which is just a fancy word for big stone that's up against the base of the dam to prevent any erosion, and some significant crack repairs, and some sidewalks near the the boat ramp that is starting to undermine. So we put this out to bid, utilizing the State Office of Supplier Diversity for eligible contractors to do this work. This is kind of a specialized work. Not everyone can work underwater, especially with some of the repairs that needed to be done.","topics_json":"[]","vector_id":"vec_seg_97064_337","created_at":"2026-10-31T05:51:15Z","speaker_name":"uh Jason Lyon"},{"id":"seg_97064_338","meeting_id":"97064","media_asset_id":"med_97064_34ae2960e8ae89f4","agenda_item_id":null,"speaker_id":"spk_97064_uh_jason_lyon","speaker_confidence":1,"start_sec":7731.96,"end_sec":7784.96,"text":"Um the bids came in about 28% higher than we anticipated. Uh we received two bids, uh one from Mor-Allen, uh the other from Coastal Engineering. Both these companies have done work on our dam in the past. Uh so we found that they have the qualifications and the um and the experience to perform the work needed for these repairs. Um to help offset the shortfall in this project, we had um uh additional money uh from the street program that was uh came in about 125,000 under budget. Uh so that is our recommendation. I will be happy to answer any questions.","topics_json":"[\"budget\"]","vector_id":"vec_seg_97064_338","created_at":"2026-10-31T05:51:15Z","speaker_name":"uh Jason Lyon"},{"id":"seg_97064_339","meeting_id":"97064","media_asset_id":"med_97064_34ae2960e8ae89f4","agenda_item_id":null,"speaker_id":"off_david_l_anderson","speaker_confidence":1,"start_sec":7784.96,"end_sec":7789.96,"text":"Thank you. Councilman Lewis, you're recognized. Then Councilman Rocha.","topics_json":"[]","vector_id":"vec_seg_97064_339","created_at":"2026-10-31T05:51:15Z","speaker_name":"David L. Anderson"},{"id":"seg_97064_34","meeting_id":"97064","media_asset_id":"med_97064_34ae2960e8ae89f4","agenda_item_id":null,"speaker_id":"off_fred_a_neil","speaker_confidence":0.95,"start_sec":1118.7,"end_sec":1122.4,"text":"Any other questions? Yes, Councilman.","topics_json":"[]","vector_id":"vec_seg_97064_34","created_at":"2026-10-31T05:51:14Z","speaker_name":"Fred A. Neil"},{"id":"seg_97064_340","meeting_id":"97064","media_asset_id":"med_97064_34ae2960e8ae89f4","agenda_item_id":null,"speaker_id":"off_brian_e_lewis","speaker_confidence":1,"start_sec":7790.96,"end_sec":7811.46,"text":"I was looking at the uh action form, Mr. Lyon, and um I see that um you're going to uh have to utilize money from somewhere else because there's a shortfall. Uh my question is, um what's going to happen if we use that money, and can you explain why there is a shortfall?","topics_json":"[\"budget\"]","vector_id":"vec_seg_97064_340","created_at":"2026-10-31T05:51:15Z","speaker_name":"Brian E. Lewis"},{"id":"seg_97064_341","meeting_id":"97064","media_asset_id":"med_97064_34ae2960e8ae89f4","agenda_item_id":null,"speaker_id":"spk_97064_uh_jason_lyon","speaker_confidence":1,"start_sec":7811.96,"end_sec":7861.96,"text":"So, the explanation that I received from uh the bidders was essentially just prices are going up with the equipment that's needed for these repairs. I hear that with every project. Also, we only had two bidders on the project. So, um trying to find more companies that do this work is difficult in this area. Um so I think they know that they don't have a lot of competition. Now, in order with with regards to your first question, what's going to happen with the money that's being used, um again, we had the street program was uh we actually had savings in that project. So, um theoretically, that money could be moved back into the general fund um with not being used and be used as seen fit. Um our team's recommendation is to use it towards this uh repair that's necessary.","topics_json":"[\"budget\"]","vector_id":"vec_seg_97064_341","created_at":"2026-10-31T05:51:15Z","speaker_name":"uh Jason Lyon"},{"id":"seg_97064_342","meeting_id":"97064","media_asset_id":"med_97064_34ae2960e8ae89f4","agenda_item_id":null,"speaker_id":"off_brian_e_lewis","speaker_confidence":1,"start_sec":7861.96,"end_sec":7892.96,"text":"My second question is did did you attempt to apply for assistance through any agencies, uh example DNREC, FEMA, okay, uh responsible for dam safety repairs? I don't know if you're aware of that. I did some research. Uh they administer um National Dam Safety Program uh and they provide grants and technical assistance to states and local governments to enhance dam safety repairs. Um I printed this out for you.","topics_json":"[\"public_safety\"]","vector_id":"vec_seg_97064_342","created_at":"2026-10-31T05:51:15Z","speaker_name":"Brian E. Lewis"},{"id":"seg_97064_343","meeting_id":"97064","media_asset_id":"med_97064_34ae2960e8ae89f4","agenda_item_id":null,"speaker_id":"spk_97064_uh_jason_lyon","speaker_confidence":1,"start_sec":7892.96,"end_sec":7893.96,"text":"No.","topics_json":"[]","vector_id":"vec_seg_97064_343","created_at":"2026-10-31T05:51:15Z","speaker_name":"uh Jason Lyon"},{"id":"seg_97064_344","meeting_id":"97064","media_asset_id":"med_97064_34ae2960e8ae89f4","agenda_item_id":null,"speaker_id":"off_brian_e_lewis","speaker_confidence":1,"start_sec":7893.96,"end_sec":7905.96,"text":"Do you want to possibly maybe look into it and and come back to us on this matter or is uh there time constraints? Because I'm not going to support it because if you could get money through this grant,","topics_json":"[\"budget\"]","vector_id":"vec_seg_97064_344","created_at":"2026-10-31T05:51:15Z","speaker_name":"Brian E. Lewis"},{"id":"seg_97064_345","meeting_id":"97064","media_asset_id":"med_97064_34ae2960e8ae89f4","agenda_item_id":null,"speaker_id":"spk_97064_uh_jason_lyon","speaker_confidence":1,"start_sec":7905.96,"end_sec":7906.96,"text":"Okay. Okay.","topics_json":"[]","vector_id":"vec_seg_97064_345","created_at":"2026-10-31T05:51:15Z","speaker_name":"uh Jason Lyon"},{"id":"seg_97064_346","meeting_id":"97064","media_asset_id":"med_97064_34ae2960e8ae89f4","agenda_item_id":null,"speaker_id":"off_brian_e_lewis","speaker_confidence":1,"start_sec":7906.96,"end_sec":7907.96,"text":"we're better off.","topics_json":"[]","vector_id":"vec_seg_97064_346","created_at":"2026-10-31T05:51:15Z","speaker_name":"Brian E. Lewis"},{"id":"seg_97064_347","meeting_id":"97064","media_asset_id":"med_97064_34ae2960e8ae89f4","agenda_item_id":null,"speaker_id":"spk_97064_uh_jason_lyon","speaker_confidence":1,"start_sec":7907.46,"end_sec":7924.96,"text":"I I don't know how long that I don't have any research on that. I appreciate you bringing that forward. Uh I can tell you with other federal grants that we've received, it takes two to three years to get that money. So, I'd be happy to look into it. Um but I would say that these repairs should be done in a timely manner.","topics_json":"[\"budget\"]","vector_id":"vec_seg_97064_347","created_at":"2026-10-31T05:51:15Z","speaker_name":"uh Jason Lyon"},{"id":"seg_97064_348","meeting_id":"97064","media_asset_id":"med_97064_34ae2960e8ae89f4","agenda_item_id":null,"speaker_id":"off_brian_e_lewis","speaker_confidence":1,"start_sec":7926.96,"end_sec":7934.96,"text":"So when you say they should be done, um how would you rate it? Immediately? Is it a danger to the community?","topics_json":"[\"public_safety\"]","vector_id":"vec_seg_97064_348","created_at":"2026-10-31T05:51:15Z","speaker_name":"Brian E. Lewis"},{"id":"seg_97064_349","meeting_id":"97064","media_asset_id":"med_97064_34ae2960e8ae89f4","agenda_item_id":null,"speaker_id":"spk_97064_uh_jason_lyon","speaker_confidence":1,"start_sec":7934.96,"end_sec":7956.96,"text":"So these particular these particular um repairs are not necessarily deemed as immediate repairs. So every year we have a Silver Lake dam inspection by a professional engineer, uh they rate it based on um how big of an impact it's going to be if it doesn't get repaired right away. These are not immediate repairs, drop everything emergency, fix it. They're the second level down.","topics_json":"[\"public_safety\"]","vector_id":"vec_seg_97064_349","created_at":"2026-10-31T05:51:15Z","speaker_name":"uh Jason Lyon"},{"id":"seg_97064_35","meeting_id":"97064","media_asset_id":"med_97064_34ae2960e8ae89f4","agenda_item_id":null,"speaker_id":"off_gerald_l_rocha_sr","speaker_confidence":0.95,"start_sec":1122.4,"end_sec":1151.9,"text":"Thank you, uh Council President. Um, Mr. Wilson, I uh, I just wanted to get some clarity on or you know, figure out what what exactly Booted and Suited is doing in reference to the uh Downtown Vision like up in Wilmington, correct? So is this program going to be part of the workforce development for Booted and Suited?","topics_json":"[]","vector_id":"vec_seg_97064_35","created_at":"2026-10-31T05:51:14Z","speaker_name":"Gerald L. Rocha, Sr."},{"id":"seg_97064_350","meeting_id":"97064","media_asset_id":"med_97064_34ae2960e8ae89f4","agenda_item_id":null,"speaker_id":"off_brian_e_lewis","speaker_confidence":1,"start_sec":7957.96,"end_sec":7966.46,"text":"I'm going to hand this over to you, and it would behoove you to look into this because it could save the city and the taxpayers money.","topics_json":"[\"budget\",\"taxes\"]","vector_id":"vec_seg_97064_350","created_at":"2026-10-31T05:51:15Z","speaker_name":"Brian E. 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Uh I'm going to make a motion to accept staff recommendation, but I do want to comment in a and a an appreciation for bringing that forward. Uh and it's you know, it's unfortunate that we we get to see this at at this stage, you know what I mean? But I do appreciate, you know, identifying the grant. And I'm pretty sure this is not the you know, the only the only type of maintenance or whatever that needs to be done to the dam, so that's definitely going to enhance and and be a benefit to our city. So I appreciate you doing that. But in the meantime, understanding that the work needs to be done, I am going to make a motion to accept staff uh recommendation uh considering the fact that if we wait any longer, the prices may still go up, uh to award the contract to Mor-Allen Concrete Products uh for the uh services and repairs of the Silver Lake dam.","topics_json":"[\"budget\"]","vector_id":"vec_seg_97064_353","created_at":"2026-10-31T05:51:15Z","speaker_name":"Gerald L. Rocha, Sr."},{"id":"seg_97064_354","meeting_id":"97064","media_asset_id":"med_97064_34ae2960e8ae89f4","agenda_item_id":null,"speaker_id":"off_julia_m_pillsbury","speaker_confidence":1,"start_sec":8034.96,"end_sec":8036.76,"text":"Pillsbury seconds.","topics_json":"[]","vector_id":"vec_seg_97064_354","created_at":"2026-10-31T05:51:15Z","speaker_name":"Julia M. Pillsbury"},{"id":"seg_97064_355","meeting_id":"97064","media_asset_id":"med_97064_34ae2960e8ae89f4","agenda_item_id":null,"speaker_id":"off_david_l_anderson","speaker_confidence":1,"start_sec":8036.96,"end_sec":8046.96,"text":"It's it's been moved and uh multiple seconds. Um, and uh public comment. Uh please make it quick, sir.","topics_json":"[]","vector_id":"vec_seg_97064_355","created_at":"2026-10-31T05:51:15Z","speaker_name":"David L. 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Uh there's a lady there that inspects all the dams in the state, and she referred us to utilizing the the State Office of Supplier Diversity to find companies that are appropriate for this.","topics_json":"[]","vector_id":"vec_seg_97064_359","created_at":"2026-10-31T05:51:15Z","speaker_name":"uh Jason Lyon"},{"id":"seg_97064_36","meeting_id":"97064","media_asset_id":"med_97064_34ae2960e8ae89f4","agenda_item_id":null,"speaker_id":"spk_97064_bobby_wilson","speaker_confidence":0.95,"start_sec":1152,"end_sec":1183.7,"text":"Yes, it'll be part of the workforce development. It is part of the program uh with training the folks that's on the ground that's doing the cleaning up and moving them to a higher ground. Possibly the union. I just met with the labor union. I'm meeting with the Bricklayers Union. So, I'm surrounding the program with all these unions. So, therefore, it'd be a outlet for the individuals. 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Anderson"},{"id":"seg_97064_363","meeting_id":"97064","media_asset_id":"med_97064_34ae2960e8ae89f4","agenda_item_id":null,"speaker_id":"spk_97064_city_clerk","speaker_confidence":1,"start_sec":8131.76,"end_sec":8133.36,"text":"Miss Hall?","topics_json":"[]","vector_id":"vec_seg_97064_363","created_at":"2026-10-31T05:51:15Z","speaker_name":null},{"id":"seg_97064_364","meeting_id":"97064","media_asset_id":"med_97064_34ae2960e8ae89f4","agenda_item_id":null,"speaker_id":"off_donyale_m_hall","speaker_confidence":1,"start_sec":8134.46,"end_sec":8135.56,"text":"Yes.","topics_json":"[]","vector_id":"vec_seg_97064_364","created_at":"2026-10-31T05:51:15Z","speaker_name":"Donyale M. Hall"},{"id":"seg_97064_365","meeting_id":"97064","media_asset_id":"med_97064_34ae2960e8ae89f4","agenda_item_id":null,"speaker_id":"off_roy_sudler_jr","speaker_confidence":0.95,"start_sec":8135.96,"end_sec":8138.14,"text":"rating overview. Mr. Lyon.","topics_json":"[]","vector_id":"vec_seg_97064_365","created_at":"2026-10-31T05:51:15Z","speaker_name":"Roy Sudler, Jr."},{"id":"seg_97064_366","meeting_id":"97064","media_asset_id":"med_97064_34ae2960e8ae89f4","agenda_item_id":null,"speaker_id":"spk_97064_jason_lyon","speaker_confidence":0.95,"start_sec":8138.58,"end_sec":8142.84,"text":"Uh for the record, again, Jason Lyon, Director of Water and Wastewater Engineering Services. Uh","topics_json":"[]","vector_id":"vec_seg_97064_366","created_at":"2026-10-31T05:51:15Z","speaker_name":"Jason Lyon"},{"id":"seg_97064_367","meeting_id":"97064","media_asset_id":"med_97064_34ae2960e8ae89f4","agenda_item_id":null,"speaker_id":"off_roy_sudler_jr","speaker_confidence":0.95,"start_sec":8142.86,"end_sec":8148.34,"text":"Hey, I'm sorry, let me also, motion passes, uh it's recommended to council.","topics_json":"[]","vector_id":"vec_seg_97064_367","created_at":"2026-10-31T05:51:15Z","speaker_name":"Roy Sudler, Jr."},{"id":"seg_97064_368","meeting_id":"97064","media_asset_id":"med_97064_34ae2960e8ae89f4","agenda_item_id":null,"speaker_id":"spk_97064_jason_lyon","speaker_confidence":0.95,"start_sec":8148.76,"end_sec":8278.88,"text":"Understood. Um so, um full transparency, I was before this committee um late November of of last year and I was ill prepared for questions. Uh Mr. Garfinkel brought up some questions about uh how these roads are rated and how the city determines which roads get redone. Um I was not under the impression that you knew the rehabilitation versus reconstruction. Um I followed up this to this team with an email with a full description of that. I hope that got to everybody. And I'd be happy to rehash that. But what came out of that meeting was an overview of how we rate our roads, what we've done in the past, um and how things move forward. So, that is my task this evening. Uh a little bit of background. The the last comprehensive survey of all streets in the city of Dover was done in 2017. Uh what we seem to to see is about a 10-year evaluation of roads, um and I'll get into the reason why uh later. Um The this this particular project was performed and evaluated by one team member. Uh that team member was an engineer. Uh we we chose one team member so that they would have the same opinion of a road as they go through different roads throughout the city. This is our inventory at the time. Um we have gone up a scosh uh with the dedication of some streets. Uh but again, those roads uh conceivably would be in good shape because they would have been built after 2017. Uh go to the next slide, please.","topics_json":"[]","vector_id":"vec_seg_97064_368","created_at":"2026-10-31T05:51:15Z","speaker_name":"Jason Lyon"},{"id":"seg_97064_369","meeting_id":"97064","media_asset_id":"med_97064_34ae2960e8ae89f4","agenda_item_id":null,"speaker_id":"spk_97064_jason_lyon","speaker_confidence":0.95,"start_sec":8280.26,"end_sec":8452.46,"text":"So, uh the city of Dover utilized something called RSMS, which is Road System Management Software. Um It's difficult to see, but this is this is something that you can you can utilize for free from an LTAP from Maine. Um New Hampshire also has one. Uh but this is a a software program that is utilized. Uh it takes into a a variety of different factors uh in an effort to try to make this as objective as possible. It's it's in- for a human to go through each road and look at every single crack and every single pothole and say this one is bigger than the next, it's very difficult to do, especially with the fact this took our team member over 10 months to work on. Um Pretty much this was the only thing that that person was doing for that time. Um So, and we'll get into the to the matrix of everything, but it keep in mind that it takes into account the severity of an of a distress, uh the extent of a distress, traffic volume, drainage, and road importance. Um So road importance could be if it's a road that connects different developments, or if it's a road that directly leads to a hospital or a school, uh that would get a higher rating. Uh traffic volume is pretty, you know, obvious. It's just more traffic on that road, higher rated. And, of course, drainage would be um something that kind of deteriorates a road quicker because there's road s- standing water that creates uh problems with the road that you'll see in a few slides. Uh Go to the next one, please.","topics_json":"[]","vector_id":"vec_seg_97064_369","created_at":"2026-10-31T05:51:15Z","speaker_name":"Jason Lyon"},{"id":"seg_97064_37","meeting_id":"97064","media_asset_id":"med_97064_34ae2960e8ae89f4","agenda_item_id":null,"speaker_id":"spk_97064_bobby_wilson","speaker_confidence":0.95,"start_sec":1184,"end_sec":1187.6,"text":"we've been doing this in New Castle for a while. Um,","topics_json":"[]","vector_id":"vec_seg_97064_37","created_at":"2026-10-31T05:51:14Z","speaker_name":"Bobby Wilson"},{"id":"seg_97064_370","meeting_id":"97064","media_asset_id":"med_97064_34ae2960e8ae89f4","agenda_item_id":null,"speaker_id":"spk_97064_jason_lyon","speaker_confidence":0.95,"start_sec":8454.48,"end_sec":8540.86,"text":"Um these may be difficult to see on the screen, um but these are just examples of roads in the city. Uh this particular alley is showing a lot of different distresses. Um On the edge of the road, where there is no curb, you'll see edge cracking, which is the first part of of road deterioration. Um The alligator cracking is something that you see um that looks like an alligator skin. It's got little chunks of asphalt with these little meandering cracks going through it. Uh Longitudinal uh versus transverse cracking. Longitudinal is with the length of the road. Transverse would be perpendicular to the road. Um So this this particular alley has pretty much all of that um in spades. So we can go on to the next slide, please.","topics_json":"[]","vector_id":"vec_seg_97064_370","created_at":"2026-10-31T05:51:15Z","speaker_name":"Jason Lyon"},{"id":"seg_97064_371","meeting_id":"97064","media_asset_id":"med_97064_34ae2960e8ae89f4","agenda_item_id":null,"speaker_id":"spk_97064_jason_lyon","speaker_confidence":0.95,"start_sec":8541.46,"end_sec":8588.7,"text":"Uh potholes, these are things that are very easy to to note. You guys probably get a lot of complaints from your constituents about there's a pothole on the road, we got to fix it. That generally goes to our team and the Public Works Department to uh address it as funds and time allow. Um But to be quite honest, they're just patching it. And so a patch on a road when you evaluate a street rate uh the street rating, uh a patch is a form of failure that could cause additional failures down the road. Um Drainage, of course, that's if standing water's around. Roughness is really just the top coat of the road. If it starts getting a little bit um uh worn, and there's friction, and you start seeing pebbles coming up, that's the roughness. That's another distress that's taken into account. Uh Next slide, please.","topics_json":"[]","vector_id":"vec_seg_97064_371","created_at":"2026-10-31T05:51:15Z","speaker_name":"Jason Lyon"},{"id":"seg_97064_372","meeting_id":"97064","media_asset_id":"med_97064_34ae2960e8ae89f4","agenda_item_id":null,"speaker_id":"spk_97064_jason_lyon","speaker_confidence":0.95,"start_sec":8589.24,"end_sec":8657.64,"text":"Uh this last one is is basically just rutting. Uh so you can kind of see on the um in the edges of this road, you can see that there's a little bit of a dip there from uh excess weight of vehicles going down that road. My guess is that road wasn't designed with a lot of sub-base, um causing this road to kind of fail. Um So again, these are just distresses. I wanted to put some pictures in front of everyone to understand that these are the things that our team member was looking for in 2017 when they were going through each and every road in the city of Dover. Okay. Next slide.","topics_json":"[]","vector_id":"vec_seg_97064_372","created_at":"2026-10-31T05:51:15Z","speaker_name":"Jason Lyon"},{"id":"seg_97064_373","meeting_id":"97064","media_asset_id":"med_97064_34ae2960e8ae89f4","agenda_item_id":null,"speaker_id":"spk_97064_jason_lyon","speaker_confidence":0.95,"start_sec":8658.64,"end_sec":8754.26,"text":"So, um Mr. Garfinkel, this is the point that you were you were making. These are the different categories that we have from the software. So, the software doesn't kick out like a number like out of a hundred. Um it puts them into different categories based on how you uh enter information into a matrix. Um So from the top, it's the roads that are in really good condition. As we go down, those are the ones that have the the major major concerns. Uh Reconstruction is the worst rated. And um keep in mind that since we started this uh 2017 rating, we are still in reconstruction phase. That means we still have roads that are in that need of reconstruction. Um I'm not going to read all this for you, but basically um you know, we're going from least maintenance all the way to the the most important one to repair. Next slide.","topics_json":"[]","vector_id":"vec_seg_97064_373","created_at":"2026-10-31T05:51:15Z","speaker_name":"Jason Lyon"},{"id":"seg_97064_374","meeting_id":"97064","media_asset_id":"med_97064_34ae2960e8ae89f4","agenda_item_id":null,"speaker_id":"spk_97064_jason_lyon","speaker_confidence":0.95,"start_sec":8755.64,"end_sec":8874,"text":"Uh so this is the this is the the a screenshot of the program. Um I'm going to focus on the top right to start with. So um our engineer would would go into the out in the field, he would he would jot down all the information. Uh The the the the matrix on the right, the 3x3 grid, you see extent on the top, low, medium, high, so that is how much of the road is being affected by this distress. And this particular is um alligator cracks, which is highlighted. Uh And then on the left axis, you have something called um severity. So let's say that there's a lot of alligator cracking, but it's not super deep, so maybe you put that under a severity of low, or you have a very significant uh severity, you put under high. And this would go into the software program and it would crank out the numbers um based on all the distresses that are that are there. You enter in the information, um algorithm kicks out a a score. Uh I put on the definitions inside the user's manual of the importance and traffic volumes for your benefit. Uh kind of explained those already, uh but they're there for your use. Um Go on to the next slide.","topics_json":"[]","vector_id":"vec_seg_97064_374","created_at":"2026-10-31T05:51:15Z","speaker_name":"Jason Lyon"},{"id":"seg_97064_375","meeting_id":"97064","media_asset_id":"med_97064_34ae2960e8ae89f4","agenda_item_id":null,"speaker_id":"spk_97064_jason_lyon","speaker_confidence":0.95,"start_sec":8875.48,"end_sec":8974.24,"text":"Um and so this is a screenshot of of kind of what This isn't our inventory. This is just from the the manual. Um So, again, after all the information is inputted into the system, the RSMS software uh puts everything together, spits out all of these uh rankings, and then in each of those five rankings that I mentioned earlier, there's a sub-ranking of 1 to 10, one being least concerning, 10 being the most concerning. Um So we have this information that's provided to us. Um We can filter it. We can We can um We can put stuff in order based on developments. Um So that's what what we have to work with. Uh We export this into a Excel spreadsheet, um and that information, of course, is is kept up to date as we as we improve roads uh throughout the years. Um Think that was it. Be happy to answer any questions related to this.","topics_json":"[]","vector_id":"vec_seg_97064_375","created_at":"2026-10-31T05:51:15Z","speaker_name":"Jason Lyon"},{"id":"seg_97064_376","meeting_id":"97064","media_asset_id":"med_97064_34ae2960e8ae89f4","agenda_item_id":null,"speaker_id":"off_roy_sudler_jr","speaker_confidence":0.95,"start_sec":8975.18,"end_sec":8977.44,"text":"Uh questions? Mr. Garfinkel.","topics_json":"[]","vector_id":"vec_seg_97064_376","created_at":"2026-10-31T05:51:15Z","speaker_name":"Roy Sudler, Jr."},{"id":"seg_97064_377","meeting_id":"97064","media_asset_id":"med_97064_34ae2960e8ae89f4","agenda_item_id":null,"speaker_id":"spk_97064_jonathan_garfinkel","speaker_confidence":0.95,"start_sec":8980.48,"end_sec":8986.48,"text":"Do you have a quality control audit of the input documents, as well as what's out- outputted?","topics_json":"[]","vector_id":"vec_seg_97064_377","created_at":"2026-10-31T05:51:15Z","speaker_name":"Jonathan Garfinkel"},{"id":"seg_97064_378","meeting_id":"97064","media_asset_id":"med_97064_34ae2960e8ae89f4","agenda_item_id":null,"speaker_id":"spk_97064_jason_lyon","speaker_confidence":0.95,"start_sec":8987.3,"end_sec":8992.28,"text":"So are you asking if if another team member evaluated everything that was reviewed in the field, or are you asking if there's something in the software?","topics_json":"[]","vector_id":"vec_seg_97064_378","created_at":"2026-10-31T05:51:15Z","speaker_name":"Jason Lyon"},{"id":"seg_97064_379","meeting_id":"97064","media_asset_id":"med_97064_34ae2960e8ae89f4","agenda_item_id":null,"speaker_id":"spk_97064_jonathan_garfinkel","speaker_confidence":0.95,"start_sec":8992.52,"end_sec":9039.96,"text":"Not everyone. If you take a statistical audit, you have what, how many, thousand streets? Okay. So, one out of every 10 or one out of every 15 gets audited, Mhm. just to make sure that the system is working properly. Do you do that?","topics_json":"[]","vector_id":"vec_seg_97064_379","created_at":"2026-10-31T05:51:15Z","speaker_name":"Jonathan Garfinkel"},{"id":"seg_97064_38","meeting_id":"97064","media_asset_id":"med_97064_34ae2960e8ae89f4","agenda_item_id":null,"speaker_id":"off_gerald_l_rocha_sr","speaker_confidence":0.95,"start_sec":1184.4,"end_sec":1185.7,"text":"I'm I'm well aware.","topics_json":"[]","vector_id":"vec_seg_97064_38","created_at":"2026-10-31T05:51:14Z","speaker_name":"Gerald L. Rocha, Sr."},{"id":"seg_97064_380","meeting_id":"97064","media_asset_id":"med_97064_34ae2960e8ae89f4","agenda_item_id":null,"speaker_id":"off_fred_a_neil","speaker_confidence":1,"start_sec":9039.95,"end_sec":9121.03,"text":"If repairs merely are cosmetic, as can be the case particularly with flipper houses, and the loan officer recommends his father as the realtor, and you, a mother with a disability and two young children can be in a world of health and financial hurt. And that's what brought this ordinance about, the Lemon House Ordinance. Referred to us by former council member Ralph Taylor, the lady in question, a former federal investigator, purchased the home, or rather a money pit, in 2022. She brought to us copious written documents and a cornucopia of photographs validating her complaints. Delaware has no protection for a homebuyer once the mortgage is a done deal. The matter is considered civil, meaning you need to be wealthy to fight it, but if you're wealthy, you do not get help from DSHA. While the victim In With the victim's input and help from my council colleagues and co-sponsor Gerald Rocha, and two icons of the real estate industry, this ordinance has been created. What it does in effect, it requires the homebuyer to initial everything that has been discovered wrong with the house and that gives them a chance to renegotiate the price of the home or walk away. A home can be sold as is or buyer beware at a lower price.","topics_json":"[\"housing\"]","vector_id":"vec_seg_97064_380","created_at":"2026-10-31T05:51:15Z","speaker_name":"Fred A. Neil"},{"id":"seg_97064_381","meeting_id":"97064","media_asset_id":"med_97064_34ae2960e8ae89f4","agenda_item_id":null,"speaker_id":"off_fred_a_neil","speaker_confidence":1,"start_sec":9124.22,"end_sec":9169.24,"text":"When the appraiser in this case claimed the house had smoke smoke detectors and did not, you know that something radically wrong. It took an agency board 3 years to slap a small fine on the appraiser and required that the individual go back to school for more training. No one has made the homebuyer whole for the expenses that occurred that should never have happened. This is a preventative motion and I hope that this ordinance will go into effect. I yield to Councilman Rocha.","topics_json":"[\"housing\"]","vector_id":"vec_seg_97064_381","created_at":"2026-10-31T05:51:15Z","speaker_name":"Fred A. Neil"},{"id":"seg_97064_382","meeting_id":"97064","media_asset_id":"med_97064_34ae2960e8ae89f4","agenda_item_id":null,"speaker_id":"off_gerald_l_rocha_sr","speaker_confidence":1,"start_sec":9169.3,"end_sec":9229.65,"text":"Thank you, uh, Council President Neil. Yeah, so, uh, with, uh, Ms. Butcher and she outlined, uh, the process, uh, you know, it it it just, um, and she said she's not the only one, even though some of them might may not be, um, in the city of Dover. Uh, I initially reached out to the legislators to see if they would upgrade what's on the books on the state level, which they did not, which is one of the reasons why I'm I'm a sponsor with Mr. Neil on on this, uh, because, um, the state only requires a as a minimum home inspection, uh, a walkthrough, which is basically to make sure that there's running water and no identifiable leaks, and, you know, it's really not as comprehensive as it needs to be.","topics_json":"[\"housing\"]","vector_id":"vec_seg_97064_382","created_at":"2026-10-31T05:51:15Z","speaker_name":"Gerald L. Rocha, Sr."},{"id":"seg_97064_383","meeting_id":"97064","media_asset_id":"med_97064_34ae2960e8ae89f4","agenda_item_id":null,"speaker_id":"off_gerald_l_rocha_sr","speaker_confidence":1,"start_sec":9230.19,"end_sec":9348.72,"text":"And even if it is a walkthrough, the buyer needs to be explained to what different levels of a home inspection is, so that the the buyer, potential buyer has the knowledge or the make can make an informed decision on which home inspection they're willing to accept. And I think that this this legis- this ordinance does that, um, at least makes the buyer or the potential buyer uh gives them a level of understanding by initialing each area, uh, in a checklist that, uh, will give them the you know, the thought process to to make an informed decision on which inspection they want to take. But, you know, obviously, the the the the more the ins- the more, um, level the different levels of in- the inspection can cost more money, that would be a choice for the buyer to say, 'Okay, I'll pay for the walkthrough, and that's it,' but at least giving them the idea that the the walkthrough is not the only type of inspection to thoroughly look at the house. And that's what I think we're trying to do, and, um, you know, uh if it was me, I would say it would be comprehensive all across the board, but you know, some some individuals maybe that might be too much money, but at least giving them the awareness of it before they make the investment and then find out later that the they have to spend more money because they didn't know, um, based on the uh selection of the uh inspection that they they uh uh uh that they were they accepted. So with that said, you know, I yield uh back to uh Council President, and, um, I look forward to hearing uh other remarks.","topics_json":"[\"housing\"]","vector_id":"vec_seg_97064_383","created_at":"2026-10-31T05:51:15Z","speaker_name":"Gerald L. Rocha, Sr."},{"id":"seg_97064_384","meeting_id":"97064","media_asset_id":"med_97064_34ae2960e8ae89f4","agenda_item_id":null,"speaker_id":"off_fred_a_neil","speaker_confidence":1,"start_sec":9349.2,"end_sec":9364.4,"text":"Yeah, basically that that's what you have. It's basically this is a preventative to make sure the person doesn't get trapped. Once you get trapped, you have your literally that your finances could be tied up. If you walk away from a deal, you basically lose your your financial credibility, and that can cost you down the down the line. I yield, Mr. Mr. Chairman.","topics_json":"[\"housing\"]","vector_id":"vec_seg_97064_384","created_at":"2026-10-31T05:51:15Z","speaker_name":"Fred A. 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Um, I don't have a lot of real estate experience, but, um, I do know that there's the seller's disclosure, and you can have your own, um, inspection, uh, if you want to go beyond the seller's disclosure. So, I I don't understand how this is outside of that process. It it sounds like the resident in question should have had a better inspection. Is that Is that Okay. Um, and and this would change that how?","topics_json":"[\"housing\"]","vector_id":"vec_seg_97064_386","created_at":"2026-10-31T05:51:15Z","speaker_name":"Tricia K. 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And so, you know, a lot of guys that get out of prison to go to Polytech is you know, inferiority to them, you know? Because they're going around people they don't know. So they feel some kind of way. When I was in prison, I was driving um to the bus station or to the airport, and guys was uh worried about getting out of the cars to go in, cuz everybody looking at them, and this and that. So how can they stand sit in the classroom with people they don't know? So that's where we come in at. We come in to build a relationship with the guys coming out of prison, men and women, so they can adapt back into the community. And without that, we don't have that here in Dover. This state is so top-heavy. Everything is in New Castle. And we have to create some type of opportunity for re-entry.","topics_json":"[\"public_safety\"]","vector_id":"vec_seg_97064_39","created_at":"2026-10-31T05:51:14Z","speaker_name":"Bobby Wilson"},{"id":"seg_97064_390","meeting_id":"97064","media_asset_id":"med_97064_34ae2960e8ae89f4","agenda_item_id":null,"speaker_id":"off_gerald_l_rocha_sr","speaker_confidence":1,"start_sec":9436.17,"end_sec":9484.8,"text":"So, generally, this would this would affect the uh or inform the buyer. The buyer would almost like when I bought my house, right, um, I was fortunate with the realtor that I had, and they didn't order a walkthrough for me. I had a full-on inspection of my house that I was able to make an informed decision on whether or not I wanted to buy based on what the inspector found. Um, and I don't know if it's specific to DSHA or or or anything like that, but in her case, whoever the realtor was ordered the walkthrough, maybe making an assumption that she couldn't afford anything else.","topics_json":"[\"housing\"]","vector_id":"vec_seg_97064_390","created_at":"2026-10-31T05:51:15Z","speaker_name":"Gerald L. Rocha, Sr."},{"id":"seg_97064_391","meeting_id":"97064","media_asset_id":"med_97064_34ae2960e8ae89f4","agenda_item_id":null,"speaker_id":"off_gerald_l_rocha_sr","speaker_confidence":1,"start_sec":9485.34,"end_sec":9544.36,"text":"What we're trying to do, if and correct me if I'm wrong, um, Council President Neil, is open open up the to the the potential buyer that these are the different inspections and that they can almost choose which one they want based on, because you know, you pay for that up front before you even go into closing. So, if you can't afford it, you decide you're going to take it with a walkthrough inspection and, but at least you're at least you're informed on what inspection you're choosing versus you didn't know and you signed off and bought the house. If this is your if you're a first-time homebuyer, you may not have a clue. This This kind of gives you a clue with this ordinance.","topics_json":"[\"housing\"]","vector_id":"vec_seg_97064_391","created_at":"2026-10-31T05:51:15Z","speaker_name":"Gerald L. Rocha, Sr."},{"id":"seg_97064_392","meeting_id":"97064","media_asset_id":"med_97064_34ae2960e8ae89f4","agenda_item_id":null,"speaker_id":"off_fred_a_neil","speaker_confidence":1,"start_sec":9545.08,"end_sec":9600.32,"text":"Basically, um, what occurred was a cover-up through a flipper house. For those people who don't know what a flipper house is, somebody buys a house, flipped and they they haven't lived in it. And one of the disclosures that you have to do, if you live in a house, you have to admit what problems the house has. A flipper hasn't lived in the house, can say, 'I don't know any problems.' So when cosmetic, um, are cover-ups in terms of what could be there, could be, um, termite inspections, which are covered up. And I, unfortunately, had served, uh, for 35 years on a part-time basis for the Maryland State Pest Control Association, and I know all about that type of thing, what they do and how they handle it. So when a person comes into that home, and that inspection is made, only certain parts of that inspection are essential for the approval, uh, for FHA.","topics_json":"[\"housing\"]","vector_id":"vec_seg_97064_392","created_at":"2026-10-31T05:51:15Z","speaker_name":"Fred A. 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But if it's listed of all the problems that are there, they didn't go over all the problems that existed, she didn't have to sign off on it, we're calling it that you have to sign off on that so that nobody can say that you did not know that the problem was there and it becomes your problem.","topics_json":"[\"housing\"]","vector_id":"vec_seg_97064_393","created_at":"2026-10-31T05:51:15Z","speaker_name":"Fred A. Neil"},{"id":"seg_97064_394","meeting_id":"97064","media_asset_id":"med_97064_34ae2960e8ae89f4","agenda_item_id":null,"speaker_id":"off_fred_a_neil","speaker_confidence":1,"start_sec":9672.69,"end_sec":9726.18,"text":"In the case of, uh, a a missing smoke detector throughout the house, she had presumed that it was there, it was they said it was there. She missed it, and basically there's nothing done about that. It's not considered fraud. So you're trying to move the area where the fraud has been committed, and that the state does not recognize it as fraud, but they say it's a civil problem, go sue. If you lose that suit, you are responsible for the legal paid off the the legal bills of the person that you're suing. So you this is just a check-off to make sure that the person sees what the problems were that were listed and that they're going to check off, 'Yes, I know it. I see it. I see it. I accept it. I accept it. Accept. Accept,' so that you have that immediate check-off before you final sign that that deal. Once you have that loan, you're committed to that loan.","topics_json":"[\"housing\"]","vector_id":"vec_seg_97064_394","created_at":"2026-10-31T05:51:15Z","speaker_name":"Fred A. Neil"},{"id":"seg_97064_395","meeting_id":"97064","media_asset_id":"med_97064_34ae2960e8ae89f4","agenda_item_id":null,"speaker_id":"off_fred_a_neil","speaker_confidence":1,"start_sec":9726.43,"end_sec":9774.81,"text":"And that has nothing to do with whether it's DSHA or or or on the open market. It covers everybody. The person with DH- DC- DSHA loan or they've got the loan for you means that you you are are in financial difficulty, you can't go onto the open market as required to come up with the money that's necessary for down payment and the like. They've got a loan for you. So it has nothing to do really with that because this law affects everybody, but it hurts the people who do not have the money and have to go to DHA to get, uh, get the loan.","topics_json":"[\"housing\"]","vector_id":"vec_seg_97064_395","created_at":"2026-10-31T05:51:15Z","speaker_name":"Fred A. Neil"},{"id":"seg_97064_396","meeting_id":"97064","media_asset_id":"med_97064_34ae2960e8ae89f4","agenda_item_id":null,"speaker_id":"off_roy_sudler_jr","speaker_confidence":1,"start_sec":9775.77,"end_sec":9777.28,"text":"Councilman Boggerty.","topics_json":"[]","vector_id":"vec_seg_97064_396","created_at":"2026-10-31T05:51:15Z","speaker_name":"Roy Sudler, Jr."},{"id":"seg_97064_397","meeting_id":"97064","media_asset_id":"med_97064_34ae2960e8ae89f4","agenda_item_id":null,"speaker_id":"off_andre_m_boggerty","speaker_confidence":1,"start_sec":9777.52,"end_sec":9842.49,"text":"Thank you. Mayor with that as well. I have a thank you for recognizing. I have a couple questions, maybe not a couple, well, a couple. The, um, having bought a little house or two myself, there's this document called the seller disclosure of real property. Um, what is the difference between document the seller disclosure, I know I had to check. Fortunately, and I'm fortunate well no, fortunately, I'm a VA person, so that inspector looked at everything. Um, but um, but you know, outside of that, the seller disclosure of real property, and then it's the one that's mandated by Delaware law is 6 Delaware Code 2578, um, this for you know to reveal material defects, ensuring transparency, etc. I'm I'm for the protection of it. I just want to make sure What is, you know, what is the difference between what we're doing and what the state has already mandated in that form that's already in place? Is there a Is there a difference?","topics_json":"[\"housing\"]","vector_id":"vec_seg_97064_397","created_at":"2026-10-31T05:51:15Z","speaker_name":"Andre M. Boggerty"},{"id":"seg_97064_398","meeting_id":"97064","media_asset_id":"med_97064_34ae2960e8ae89f4","agenda_item_id":null,"speaker_id":"off_fred_a_neil","speaker_confidence":1,"start_sec":9842.55,"end_sec":9943.95,"text":"No. In fact, all the documents that the, uh, real estate industry has is built into this. If they change it, it also is built into this. So you have to have the disclosure to begin with. Okay? But let's say you've never lived in the house, you came in and inspected, you want to clean it up and sell it. So they can honestly say, 'I don't know that there's a plumbing problem. I don't know that there was major, uh, electrical problem.' And if it is not picked up by the appraiser, who then is say saying, because that's the second report, and the second report very clearly says that if you have certain defectives defections, uh uh, uh, deficiencies that have to be corrected and aren't, you should not get the loan. And in this case, this lady basically had that. It says there they should not give that the loan, she got the loan. They gave her the loan. Why did they give her a loan when all these things were out? So this measure is basically to take that appraisals, the appraiser's report and then check off, 'I see that this is a problem and this I I don't accept it, or I do accept it,' and you understand it when you're going in to buy that house. Because you may want to go into the house and say, 'Oh, I can make the change in the locks in the house or do whatever you want.' But it basically opens it up to make sure that they understand what they're getting when they get into the...","topics_json":"[\"housing\"]","vector_id":"vec_seg_97064_398","created_at":"2026-10-31T05:51:15Z","speaker_name":"Fred A. Neil"},{"id":"seg_97064_399","meeting_id":"97064","media_asset_id":"med_97064_34ae2960e8ae89f4","agenda_item_id":null,"speaker_id":"off_fred_a_neil","speaker_confidence":0.95,"start_sec":9943.95,"end_sec":9975.59,"text":"us, because at that point, there's no recourse. You don't have nothing that you can do to help yourself. So, it acts as a prophylactic to prevent you from getting into trouble, to making sure you have as much information as you possibly can. But all everything that the real estate industry requires is a part of the law. That is it, and if it changes, if they say we want to do something different, it's automatically built into this ordinance so that those same protections are in there for the individual. It doesn't change any of that. It just makes sure that the person who comes in who is going to dot the right i and cross the right t or either be able to walk away before they sign the deal and get into a financial uh in trouble.","topics_json":"[\"housing\",\"business\"]","vector_id":"vec_seg_97064_399","created_at":"2026-10-31T05:51:15Z","speaker_name":"Fred A. Neil"},{"id":"seg_97064_4","meeting_id":"97064","media_asset_id":"med_97064_34ae2960e8ae89f4","agenda_item_id":null,"speaker_id":"off_fred_a_neil","speaker_confidence":0.95,"start_sec":24.3,"end_sec":30.1,"text":"It's been moved and seconded. Any questions? If none, all in favor please say aye.","topics_json":"[]","vector_id":"vec_seg_97064_4","created_at":"2026-10-31T05:51:14Z","speaker_name":"Fred A. Neil"},{"id":"seg_97064_40","meeting_id":"97064","media_asset_id":"med_97064_34ae2960e8ae89f4","agenda_item_id":null,"speaker_id":"spk_97064_bobby_wilson","speaker_confidence":0.95,"start_sec":1275.5,"end_sec":1351.8,"text":"I'm at the re-entry in DC. We have 41 beds in DC that we are housing people. And in Baltimore, I mean, people leaving from Wilmington going to Baltimore, 80 people, just to get in beds because there's nothing here in the state. So until the state come around and and start uh really making this a number one focus in reference to housing individual, I mean, in the rooming housing. I have to go to Smyrna. Guys are walking, to pick them up, to bring them to Dover, to house them. I mean, it's a serious, serious problem. And another thing, too, we have a very influx of people coming in here from Kensington. It's bad, okay? Now the the the city of of Philadelphia, mayor, she doing a great job, I think, with cleaning up Kensington. And now the Kensington Kensington uh residents, they're looking at Dover as being the place to to be homeless at.","topics_json":"[\"homelessness\",\"housing\"]","vector_id":"vec_seg_97064_40","created_at":"2026-10-31T05:51:14Z","speaker_name":"Bobby Wilson"},{"id":"seg_97064_400","meeting_id":"97064","media_asset_id":"med_97064_34ae2960e8ae89f4","agenda_item_id":null,"speaker_id":"off_andre_m_boggerty","speaker_confidence":0.9,"start_sec":9975.59,"end_sec":10011.26,"text":"Okay. Thank you um for that. So it looked like it's, again, another layer. Uh would there be a a a municipal document that we that will have to be signed at closing? Like there would, what-","topics_json":"[\"housing\"]","vector_id":"vec_seg_97064_400","created_at":"2026-10-31T05:51:15Z","speaker_name":"Andre M. Boggerty"},{"id":"seg_97064_401","meeting_id":"97064","media_asset_id":"med_97064_34ae2960e8ae89f4","agenda_item_id":null,"speaker_id":"off_fred_a_neil","speaker_confidence":0.95,"start_sec":10011.26,"end_sec":10042.64,"text":"Well, it's the same same document that are is presented, only that the the buyer is going to have to go over it line by line and check it off. Which you don't have to do now. You don't have to touch anything. Now it says you check this off, that you know what's on that on those papers. Because she did not get the opportunity to look at those papers and to check it off, so she wasn't aware of what was happening. And this is usually the role of of the realtor, going over that information for you. This is this, this is what it is, this is what you have to do, this is when you come into settlement, and she did not have that opportunity to do that. And when she came in, there was all kinds of problems in the house that she had to repair because uh of of her kids, uh the the mold, the other type of things that that you're running into. So","topics_json":"[\"housing\"]","vector_id":"vec_seg_97064_401","created_at":"2026-10-31T05:51:15Z","speaker_name":"Fred A. Neil"},{"id":"seg_97064_402","meeting_id":"97064","media_asset_id":"med_97064_34ae2960e8ae89f4","agenda_item_id":null,"speaker_id":"off_andre_m_boggerty","speaker_confidence":0.85,"start_sec":10042.64,"end_sec":10044.02,"text":"Gotcha.","topics_json":"[]","vector_id":"vec_seg_97064_402","created_at":"2026-10-31T05:51:15Z","speaker_name":"Andre M. Boggerty"},{"id":"seg_97064_403","meeting_id":"97064","media_asset_id":"med_97064_34ae2960e8ae89f4","agenda_item_id":null,"speaker_id":"off_fred_a_neil","speaker_confidence":0.95,"start_sec":10044.02,"end_sec":10088.98,"text":"you want to make sure that the that is done. And it isn't done, it isn't required. What- but every single paper that is required today by in the real estate industry is included in this. And so there's no change in that. There's uh the only that there's a penalty of a person who's found that it that they did not follow the the uh the the ordinance, they can't do business in the state of, in the city of Dover.","topics_json":"[\"housing\",\"business\"]","vector_id":"vec_seg_97064_403","created_at":"2026-10-31T05:51:15Z","speaker_name":"Fred A. Neil"},{"id":"seg_97064_404","meeting_id":"97064","media_asset_id":"med_97064_34ae2960e8ae89f4","agenda_item_id":null,"speaker_id":"off_andre_m_boggerty","speaker_confidence":0.9,"start_sec":10088.98,"end_sec":10090.89,"text":"Thank you. I yield my questions.","topics_json":"[]","vector_id":"vec_seg_97064_404","created_at":"2026-10-31T05:51:15Z","speaker_name":"Andre M. Boggerty"},{"id":"seg_97064_405","meeting_id":"97064","media_asset_id":"med_97064_34ae2960e8ae89f4","agenda_item_id":null,"speaker_id":"off_roy_sudler_jr","speaker_confidence":0.95,"start_sec":10091.95,"end_sec":10099.79,"text":"Thank you. Thank you. Any other questions? Online? Members of the public? Uh yes. Please come forward, Mr. Faust.","topics_json":"[]","vector_id":"vec_seg_97064_405","created_at":"2026-10-31T05:51:15Z","speaker_name":"Roy Sudler, Jr."},{"id":"seg_97064_406","meeting_id":"97064","media_asset_id":"med_97064_34ae2960e8ae89f4","agenda_item_id":null,"speaker_id":"spk_97064_william_faust","speaker_confidence":0.95,"start_sec":10100.91,"end_sec":10207.64,"text":"William Faust. I'd just like to mention when I bought my house in 2002, I had a walkthrough, I had an inspection. I had a guy who was highly recommended inspect the house. Checked everything. They can- they are protected if they can find visible. If it's concealed, I'll give you an example. He checked the insulation, the insulation was great. He found I had a crack heater block. So the homeowner had to replace the heater block, the heater. But no one told me that there was no insulation in my home. I'm sitting there and it's cold out and I can see my breath in the air. So what I was told back then, I don't know if it's changed, if it's not visible and it's, you know, you can't see it, they're not held responsible. I also had concealed uh termite damage, cuz I ripped up rugs cuz they were you move into a house, it's like the rugs are terrible, they're dirty, so I ripped it up. There was concealed termite damage and it was patched, and someone had treated it, but no one had documented how they treated. It was a Section 8 house at one time, and it was flipped. But there's checks and balances, so I don't know if the things have changed, but any inspector, if he doesn't see it and it's concealed, there's nothing they can do. Unless the law has changed since 2002.","topics_json":"[\"housing\"]","vector_id":"vec_seg_97064_406","created_at":"2026-10-31T05:51:15Z","speaker_name":"William Faust"},{"id":"seg_97064_407","meeting_id":"97064","media_asset_id":"med_97064_34ae2960e8ae89f4","agenda_item_id":null,"speaker_id":"off_roy_sudler_jr","speaker_confidence":0.95,"start_sec":10210.87,"end_sec":10216.87,"text":"Anyone else? What is the pleasure of the committee? Uh Councilwoman Arndt.","topics_json":"[]","vector_id":"vec_seg_97064_407","created_at":"2026-10-31T05:51:15Z","speaker_name":"Roy Sudler, Jr."},{"id":"seg_97064_408","meeting_id":"97064","media_asset_id":"med_97064_34ae2960e8ae89f4","agenda_item_id":null,"speaker_id":"off_tricia_k_arndt","speaker_confidence":0.95,"start_sec":10216.87,"end_sec":10232.63,"text":"Sorry, I'm I'm just I'm struggling with this one. Um I For me, I'm I'm I'm a facts and data person and and I I don't understand this issue well enough to make an informed decision on on this ordinance. Um so I'm I'm going to be abstaining from this vote um just because I I don't feel like I'm ready to to make a decision. I yield.","topics_json":"[]","vector_id":"vec_seg_97064_408","created_at":"2026-10-31T05:51:15Z","speaker_name":"Tricia K. Arndt"},{"id":"seg_97064_409","meeting_id":"97064","media_asset_id":"med_97064_34ae2960e8ae89f4","agenda_item_id":null,"speaker_id":"off_fred_a_neil","speaker_confidence":0.95,"start_sec":10232.63,"end_sec":10234.28,"text":"I move for the adoption of the-","topics_json":"[]","vector_id":"vec_seg_97064_409","created_at":"2026-10-31T05:51:15Z","speaker_name":"Fred A. 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Some was in college at Del State University and got their uh uh bachelor's degree through my uh business, Fresh Look Barbershop and also Fresh Look Cleaning Service.","topics_json":"[\"homelessness\",\"business\"]","vector_id":"vec_seg_97064_41","created_at":"2026-10-31T05:51:14Z","speaker_name":"Bobby Wilson"},{"id":"seg_97064_410","meeting_id":"97064","media_asset_id":"med_97064_34ae2960e8ae89f4","agenda_item_id":null,"speaker_id":"off_roy_sudler_jr","speaker_confidence":0.95,"start_sec":10234.28,"end_sec":10235.86,"text":"Council- President Neil, you're recognized.","topics_json":"[]","vector_id":"vec_seg_97064_410","created_at":"2026-10-31T05:51:15Z","speaker_name":"Roy Sudler, Jr."},{"id":"seg_97064_411","meeting_id":"97064","media_asset_id":"med_97064_34ae2960e8ae89f4","agenda_item_id":null,"speaker_id":"off_fred_a_neil","speaker_confidence":0.95,"start_sec":10235.86,"end_sec":10239.94,"text":"Uh I move for the adoption of Ordinance 2023-14.","topics_json":"[]","vector_id":"vec_seg_97064_411","created_at":"2026-10-31T05:51:15Z","speaker_name":"Fred A. 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Rocha, Sr."},{"id":"seg_97064_50","meeting_id":"97064","media_asset_id":"med_97064_34ae2960e8ae89f4","agenda_item_id":null,"speaker_id":"spk_97064_bobby_wilson","speaker_confidence":0.95,"start_sec":1556,"end_sec":1565.1,"text":"I wish you would fund the program. I'm going to make make it my purpose to make it successful. Thank you.","topics_json":"[\"budget\"]","vector_id":"vec_seg_97064_50","created_at":"2026-10-31T05:51:14Z","speaker_name":"Bobby Wilson"},{"id":"seg_97064_51","meeting_id":"97064","media_asset_id":"med_97064_34ae2960e8ae89f4","agenda_item_id":null,"speaker_id":"off_gerald_l_rocha_sr","speaker_confidence":0.95,"start_sec":1565.7,"end_sec":1566.3,"text":"Thank you.","topics_json":"[]","vector_id":"vec_seg_97064_51","created_at":"2026-10-31T05:51:14Z","speaker_name":"Gerald L. 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What what's your long-term plan?","topics_json":"[\"budget\"]","vector_id":"vec_seg_97064_53","created_at":"2026-10-31T05:51:14Z","speaker_name":"Tricia K. Arndt"},{"id":"seg_97064_54","meeting_id":"97064","media_asset_id":"med_97064_34ae2960e8ae89f4","agenda_item_id":null,"speaker_id":"spk_97064_bobby_wilson","speaker_confidence":0.95,"start_sec":1604.5,"end_sec":1636.1,"text":"We're seeking other funding sources. This can be the beginning to show other funding sources the success of it. My goal is to build off of off the success of the program to increase funding. I have a grant writer, a successful grant writer that writes the grants for the program in Wilmington that have acquired millions of dollars in grants for the program. So, that grant writer has um","topics_json":"[\"budget\"]","vector_id":"vec_seg_97064_54","created_at":"2026-10-31T05:51:14Z","speaker_name":"Bobby Wilson"},{"id":"seg_97064_55","meeting_id":"97064","media_asset_id":"med_97064_34ae2960e8ae89f4","agenda_item_id":null,"speaker_id":"spk_97064_bobby_wilson","speaker_confidence":0.95,"start_sec":1636.4,"end_sec":1673.7,"text":"Councilman Anderson have uh spoken with the grant writer. I think uh Councilman um uh uh Rocha has spoken with the um grant writer. So, our and also I spoke with um M&T Bank and PNC Bank. And well, M&T Bank, they're interested in and PNC Bank interested in um in this year's budget of getting involved.","topics_json":"[\"budget\"]","vector_id":"vec_seg_97064_55","created_at":"2026-10-31T05:51:14Z","speaker_name":"Bobby Wilson"},{"id":"seg_97064_56","meeting_id":"97064","media_asset_id":"med_97064_34ae2960e8ae89f4","agenda_item_id":null,"speaker_id":"spk_97064_bobby_wilson","speaker_confidence":0.95,"start_sec":1674,"end_sec":1684.8,"text":"And I spoke with the merchants. See, in Wilmington the merchants was involved also with the funding of a program of the program. So, that's the way we want to forward the program further.","topics_json":"[\"budget\",\"business\"]","vector_id":"vec_seg_97064_56","created_at":"2026-10-31T05:51:14Z","speaker_name":"Bobby Wilson"},{"id":"seg_97064_57","meeting_id":"97064","media_asset_id":"med_97064_34ae2960e8ae89f4","agenda_item_id":null,"speaker_id":"off_tricia_k_arndt","speaker_confidence":0.95,"start_sec":1685,"end_sec":1686.7,"text":"Thank you. I yield.","topics_json":"[]","vector_id":"vec_seg_97064_57","created_at":"2026-10-31T05:51:14Z","speaker_name":"Tricia K. Arndt"},{"id":"seg_97064_58","meeting_id":"97064","media_asset_id":"med_97064_34ae2960e8ae89f4","agenda_item_id":null,"speaker_id":"off_fred_a_neil","speaker_confidence":0.95,"start_sec":1687.2,"end_sec":1716.3,"text":"Uh let me ask. Any other questions? Let me ask several questions of you. Basically, you're looking to get it established here in Dover. Yes. Would you be able to bring people from elsewhere here on an immediate basis to get started, or would this you have to accumulate additional workers? Uh which the idea, I mean, is great.","topics_json":"[]","vector_id":"vec_seg_97064_58","created_at":"2026-10-31T05:51:14Z","speaker_name":"Fred A. Neil"},{"id":"seg_97064_59","meeting_id":"97064","media_asset_id":"med_97064_34ae2960e8ae89f4","agenda_item_id":null,"speaker_id":"off_fred_a_neil","speaker_confidence":0.95,"start_sec":1716.3,"end_sec":1734.7,"text":"Being able to take someone who's uh going to be coming out of jail, who needs a job, who needs to fit in, understand all of that. But do you have a ready force that can be brought in to to Dover at this time?","topics_json":"[\"public_safety\"]","vector_id":"vec_seg_97064_59","created_at":"2026-10-31T05:51:14Z","speaker_name":"Fred A. 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We have facilities that we invested in for the community, to serve the community, uh here on Lockerman Street in Dover, and also on South Little Creek Road where we have our training center.","topics_json":"[]","vector_id":"vec_seg_97064_60","created_at":"2026-10-31T05:51:14Z","speaker_name":"Bobby Wilson"},{"id":"seg_97064_61","meeting_id":"97064","media_asset_id":"med_97064_34ae2960e8ae89f4","agenda_item_id":null,"speaker_id":"off_fred_a_neil","speaker_confidence":0.95,"start_sec":1759.8,"end_sec":1808,"text":"Economic development is one of our our our goals, and you're going to hear people here asking for money. There's no more important program that you described, and I say described because it isn't in effect now. If it was in effect now, basically, then it becomes a lot easier to be able to loosen up our economic development money for this purpose. Because it's now, it's cleanup, it's something we desperately need, uh not to take the place of of our police, not to take the place of of Public Works, but because there is a specific need that is needed now and fits in certainly to the master plan for the redevelopment of the downtown area. Without a question, it's perfect. The The question is the financing, if we had a promise to be able to give you and say, \"There's financing if you get certain matches\" and the like, because that's what you need. You need that additional push. That I would suggest that going back to make a form- formal application as others have done, to that you'll hear some tonight, uh that uh to make a formal application, and finite make a finite development in terms of what a finance financing that you're going to need as a hook that you may need for other development. And I think that's something that I could support because I think it's needed. I think it does two things: it helps people who need the help coming out of jail, and things get them back into society because they want to get back into society. They're capable of doing so. I think we need that.","topics_json":"[\"budget\",\"public_safety\"]","vector_id":"vec_seg_97064_61","created_at":"2026-10-31T05:51:14Z","speaker_name":"Fred A. Neil"},{"id":"seg_97064_62","meeting_id":"97064","media_asset_id":"med_97064_34ae2960e8ae89f4","agenda_item_id":null,"speaker_id":"off_fred_a_neil","speaker_confidence":1,"start_sec":1807.99,"end_sec":1830.59,"text":"And I think we need that presence downtown showing that there's set eyes on that they really care about what's happening. But I don't know whether the finances work until you make the proposal going to through the the uh uh economic development program going back to uh the city manager with those figures, so that we can take a hard look on it, and use it as a hook to get the other monies because there's a promise that the city's going to put forward with this money. That's my thinking, because we certainly need the program. Anybody else have any questions? Yes.","topics_json":"[\"budget\",\"business\"]","vector_id":"vec_seg_97064_62","created_at":"2026-10-31T05:51:14Z","speaker_name":"Fred A. 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And I concur with the Council President, uh we do have a form uh which I do believe will be most helpful filling it out as as well as being able to uh justify the the funds as well. Great program, I definitely support the program. I'm looking forward to being able to vote on it uh to support you further. Um so I would strongly recommend that you get an application for uh the economic development uh funds before you leave. I do believe uh most likely the uh city manager or even uh Mr. uh Anderson, could the chair, could probably help you with that as well. But also want to say uh thank you for all your hard work you've done throughout the years. You have been a pillar in the 4th district community, and then downtown Dover. You've given a lot of people an opportunity to be entrepreneurs, uh including myself when I was a barber in in in high school and college. And I wanted to thank you personally, so I want firsthand know um the support you've given our community and also the reach and dedication you have uh to giving back and and helping Dover become greater than it's ever been.","topics_json":"[\"budget\",\"business\"]","vector_id":"vec_seg_97064_65","created_at":"2026-10-31T05:51:14Z","speaker_name":"Roy Sudler, Jr."},{"id":"seg_97064_66","meeting_id":"97064","media_asset_id":"med_97064_34ae2960e8ae89f4","agenda_item_id":null,"speaker_id":"off_roy_sudler_jr","speaker_confidence":1,"start_sec":1900.91,"end_sec":1932.53,"text":"And so I want to say thank you personally, and let's get that application filled out so that we can support you in the way that we really would like to. But uh great presentation, and thank you. I yield, thank you Council President for recognizing me.","topics_json":"[\"budget\",\"business\"]","vector_id":"vec_seg_97064_66","created_at":"2026-10-31T05:51:14Z","speaker_name":"Roy Sudler, Jr."},{"id":"seg_97064_67","meeting_id":"97064","media_asset_id":"med_97064_34ae2960e8ae89f4","agenda_item_id":null,"speaker_id":"off_fred_a_neil","speaker_confidence":1,"start_sec":1932.59,"end_sec":1936.14,"text":"Thank you, Councilman. Any other questions at this time? I thank you, Mr. Johnson.","topics_json":"[]","vector_id":"vec_seg_97064_67","created_at":"2026-10-31T05:51:14Z","speaker_name":"Fred A. Neil"},{"id":"seg_97064_68","meeting_id":"97064","media_asset_id":"med_97064_34ae2960e8ae89f4","agenda_item_id":null,"speaker_id":"spk_97064_rufus_johnson","speaker_confidence":0.95,"start_sec":1936.2,"end_sec":1937.4,"text":"Thank you, I appreciate it. Thank you.","topics_json":"[]","vector_id":"vec_seg_97064_68","created_at":"2026-10-31T05:51:14Z","speaker_name":"Rufus Johnson"},{"id":"seg_97064_69","meeting_id":"97064","media_asset_id":"med_97064_34ae2960e8ae89f4","agenda_item_id":null,"speaker_id":"off_fred_a_neil","speaker_confidence":1,"start_sec":1937.46,"end_sec":1939.5,"text":"Leave leave encouraged. Leave encouraged.","topics_json":"[]","vector_id":"vec_seg_97064_69","created_at":"2026-10-31T05:51:14Z","speaker_name":"Fred A. Neil"},{"id":"seg_97064_7","meeting_id":"97064","media_asset_id":"med_97064_34ae2960e8ae89f4","agenda_item_id":null,"speaker_id":"off_fred_a_neil","speaker_confidence":0.95,"start_sec":32.1,"end_sec":54.3,"text":"Any opposed? Hearing no opposed, it has been moved and seconded and we now have a motion uh saying none all in favor have said have approved. Finding the first on the agenda we have presentations. One is Booted and Suited, Bobby Wilson, CEO and founder, please come forward to the podium.","topics_json":"[]","vector_id":"vec_seg_97064_7","created_at":"2026-10-31T05:51:14Z","speaker_name":"Fred A. Neil"},{"id":"seg_97064_70","meeting_id":"97064","media_asset_id":"med_97064_34ae2960e8ae89f4","agenda_item_id":null,"speaker_id":"spk_97064_rufus_johnson","speaker_confidence":0.95,"start_sec":1939.56,"end_sec":1943.53,"text":"Oh yeah, I'm encouraged. I'm encouraged, definitely, definitely. I'm going to come back, I'm going to get the application, come back with what you asked for.","topics_json":"[]","vector_id":"vec_seg_97064_70","created_at":"2026-10-31T05:51:14Z","speaker_name":"Rufus Johnson"},{"id":"seg_97064_71","meeting_id":"97064","media_asset_id":"med_97064_34ae2960e8ae89f4","agenda_item_id":null,"speaker_id":"off_fred_a_neil","speaker_confidence":1,"start_sec":1943.59,"end_sec":1944.25,"text":"Thank you, sir.","topics_json":"[]","vector_id":"vec_seg_97064_71","created_at":"2026-10-31T05:51:14Z","speaker_name":"Fred A. Neil"},{"id":"seg_97064_72","meeting_id":"97064","media_asset_id":"med_97064_34ae2960e8ae89f4","agenda_item_id":null,"speaker_id":"spk_97064_rufus_johnson","speaker_confidence":0.95,"start_sec":1944.31,"end_sec":1945.51,"text":"No doubt. Have a good evening. Thank you.","topics_json":"[]","vector_id":"vec_seg_97064_72","created_at":"2026-10-31T05:51:14Z","speaker_name":"Rufus Johnson"},{"id":"seg_97064_73","meeting_id":"97064","media_asset_id":"med_97064_34ae2960e8ae89f4","agenda_item_id":null,"speaker_id":"off_fred_a_neil","speaker_confidence":1,"start_sec":1947.32,"end_sec":1956.99,"text":"No action is required at this time. So we now have Big Brothers and Big Sisters of Delaware, Councilman Boggerty and Anya Lindsay-Jenkins, the chief executive officer. If you will come down, make your presentation.","topics_json":"[]","vector_id":"vec_seg_97064_73","created_at":"2026-10-31T05:51:14Z","speaker_name":"Fred A. Neil"},{"id":"seg_97064_74","meeting_id":"97064","media_asset_id":"med_97064_34ae2960e8ae89f4","agenda_item_id":null,"speaker_id":"spk_97064_anya_lindsay_jenkins","speaker_confidence":1,"start_sec":1959.28,"end_sec":1990.17,"text":"Hi, good evening. My name is Anya Lindsay-Jenkins and I'm the CEO of Big Brothers Big Sisters of Delaware, and I have Dr. Cade with me who is the treasurer of our board.","topics_json":"[]","vector_id":"vec_seg_97064_74","created_at":"2026-10-31T05:51:14Z","speaker_name":"Anya Lindsay-Jenkins"},{"id":"seg_97064_75","meeting_id":"97064","media_asset_id":"med_97064_34ae2960e8ae89f4","agenda_item_id":null,"speaker_id":"spk_97064_anya_lindsay_jenkins","speaker_confidence":1,"start_sec":1993.24,"end_sec":1994.14,"text":"I'm sorry.","topics_json":"[]","vector_id":"vec_seg_97064_75","created_at":"2026-10-31T05:51:14Z","speaker_name":"Anya Lindsay-Jenkins"},{"id":"seg_97064_76","meeting_id":"97064","media_asset_id":"med_97064_34ae2960e8ae89f4","agenda_item_id":null,"speaker_id":"spk_97064_dr_vilicia_cade","speaker_confidence":1,"start_sec":1995.04,"end_sec":2020.41,"text":"Hi, uh good evening uh to the City Council um members. I come to you tonight as the treasurer of Big Brothers Big Sisters of Delaware. Um and as the former superintendent of Capital School District, I it is truly an honor to come here tonight to talk about programming for our children here in Kent County and the city of Dover. I know that many of you saw the recent newspaper article uh with one of our former students from Dover High School, Jordan Davis and Stephen Pierce, where it's been a second part of a conversation in the newspaper about programming for youth in the city of Dover.","topics_json":"[\"public_safety\"]","vector_id":"vec_seg_97064_76","created_at":"2026-10-31T05:51:14Z","speaker_name":"Dr. Vilicia Cade"},{"id":"seg_97064_77","meeting_id":"97064","media_asset_id":"med_97064_34ae2960e8ae89f4","agenda_item_id":null,"speaker_id":"spk_97064_dr_vilicia_cade","speaker_confidence":1,"start_sec":2020.77,"end_sec":2072.46,"text":"Recent conversations reporting that Dover has highlighted the concern that we share that too many of our young people lack safe, positive activities after school and in the evening and during summer months. When youth have nowhere to go and no structured engagement, the risks to their safety and academic success and future increases. That is where Big Brothers Big Sisters of Delaware plays a critical role. At its core, mentorship provides more than supervision. It provides connection, consistency, and hope. A caring and trusted adult gives young people someone to talk to, someone to model positive decision making, someone who believes in their potential. The impact is proven.","topics_json":"[\"public_safety\"]","vector_id":"vec_seg_97064_77","created_at":"2026-10-31T05:51:14Z","speaker_name":"Dr. Vilicia Cade"},{"id":"seg_97064_78","meeting_id":"97064","media_asset_id":"med_97064_34ae2960e8ae89f4","agenda_item_id":null,"speaker_id":"spk_97064_dr_vilicia_cade","speaker_confidence":1,"start_sec":2073.3,"end_sec":2126.61,"text":"Youth with mentors are 55% more likely to enroll in college, 46% less likely to begin using drugs, and 52% less likely to skip school. These outcomes matter deeply for students in Capital School District and in Caesar Rodney School District, where schools work every day to keep students engaged, supported, and on track. Mentorship is also a smart public safety strategy. Young people who are mentored are significantly less likely to engage in risky or delinquent behavior and more likely to become productive, employed, and civically engaged adults. In other words, mentorship helps prevent problems before they start.","topics_json":"[\"public_safety\"]","vector_id":"vec_seg_97064_78","created_at":"2026-10-31T05:51:14Z","speaker_name":"Dr. Vilicia Cade"},{"id":"seg_97064_79","meeting_id":"97064","media_asset_id":"med_97064_34ae2960e8ae89f4","agenda_item_id":null,"speaker_id":"spk_97064_dr_vilicia_cade","speaker_confidence":1,"start_sec":2126.67,"end_sec":2184.38,"text":"So by investing in mentorship and safe and structured spaces for youth, Dover is not only supporting children today, we're strengthening families, we're supporting schools, and we're building safer and more prosperous communities for our future. Big Brothers Big Sisters of Delaware stands ready to partner with the city of Dover to ensure our youth and young people have somewhere to go, something to do, and some way to engage. So I'm asking as a board member, as you consider your budget in the future, I encourage you to set aside funds to help with the Youth Enrichment Center that you're going to hear about this evening. And you will hear more about that programming from our CEO, and in advance, I just want to thank each of you for your leadership and for your commitment to the Dover youth. Thank you.","topics_json":"[\"budget\",\"public_safety\"]","vector_id":"vec_seg_97064_79","created_at":"2026-10-31T05:51:14Z","speaker_name":"Dr. Vilicia Cade"},{"id":"seg_97064_8","meeting_id":"97064","media_asset_id":"med_97064_34ae2960e8ae89f4","agenda_item_id":null,"speaker_id":"off_fred_a_neil","speaker_confidence":0.95,"start_sec":64.9,"end_sec":68.8,"text":"Mr. Wilson, we invite you to brief us on your program.","topics_json":"[]","vector_id":"vec_seg_97064_8","created_at":"2026-10-31T05:51:14Z","speaker_name":"Fred A. Neil"},{"id":"seg_97064_80","meeting_id":"97064","media_asset_id":"med_97064_34ae2960e8ae89f4","agenda_item_id":null,"speaker_id":"spk_97064_anya_lindsay_jenkins","speaker_confidence":1,"start_sec":2187.08,"end_sec":2243.64,"text":"Um good evening again. Um can we change the slide? Okay. A little bit about Big Brothers Big Sisters of Delaware. We've been around since 1964, so we are the first and oldest mentoring organization in the state of Delaware. We service over 2,000 kids statewide um in a in various programs, including one-to-one mentorship, group mentorship, workforce and career readiness training, athlete mentorship, mentorship leading young people to play sports and and receive scholarship to college. Um so those are some of the programs that we currently run. Um we are engaging Delaware's youth on the daily basis. So the Youth Enrichment Center, which is located at 3156 Forest Avenue, um will start construction this month.","topics_json":"[\"business\"]","vector_id":"vec_seg_97064_80","created_at":"2026-10-31T05:51:14Z","speaker_name":"Anya Lindsay-Jenkins"},{"id":"seg_97064_81","meeting_id":"97064","media_asset_id":"med_97064_34ae2960e8ae89f4","agenda_item_id":null,"speaker_id":"spk_97064_anya_lindsay_jenkins","speaker_confidence":1,"start_sec":2244.42,"end_sec":2310.72,"text":"Uh the project is about 2 years in the making. We obtained the building 2 years ago. Um if anyone is familiar, it's the old vets center off of Forest Avenue. Uh it's about 1.72 acres of land. We wanted to have a a play space for young people there. Um we have two phases of this particular building. The first phase, which will be the Big B, is our uh multimedia hub. So we want to have the young people have the opportunity to have somewhere to feel safe and explore their interest. And in that media hub will be a esports gaming center for young people. It will be a podcasting studio. There will be a regular recording studio as well. So this will give the young people the opportunity to create, giving them the opportunity to to do something that they're they enjoy um and stay safe. In that phase two, our larger building, there will be a teaching kitchen, a community garden, there will be a a college readiness lab, a tutoring lab, and another computer lab.","topics_json":"[\"public_safety\"]","vector_id":"vec_seg_97064_81","created_at":"2026-10-31T05:51:14Z","speaker_name":"Anya Lindsay-Jenkins"},{"id":"seg_97064_82","meeting_id":"97064","media_asset_id":"med_97064_34ae2960e8ae89f4","agenda_item_id":null,"speaker_id":"spk_97064_anya_lindsay_jenkins","speaker_confidence":1,"start_sec":2310.9,"end_sec":2361.33,"text":"Our goal is to service the the youth of Delaware in Kent County in a way that we are helping them move forward, creating plans for college, SAT prep, camp, camp during the days when they're off but the parents not. So, um this project is near and dear to us, and we have been working with the Dover Youth Committee as well to explore the needs of the young people, along with Capital School District um and directly with the youth as well. And that's how this project actually came into fruition.","topics_json":"[]","vector_id":"vec_seg_97064_82","created_at":"2026-10-31T05:51:14Z","speaker_name":"Anya Lindsay-Jenkins"},{"id":"seg_97064_83","meeting_id":"97064","media_asset_id":"med_97064_34ae2960e8ae89f4","agenda_item_id":null,"speaker_id":"spk_97064_dr_vilicia_cade","speaker_confidence":0.95,"start_sec":2362.35,"end_sec":2363.37,"text":"We have 80% of the funding.","topics_json":"[\"budget\"]","vector_id":"vec_seg_97064_83","created_at":"2026-10-31T05:51:14Z","speaker_name":"Dr. Vilicia Cade"},{"id":"seg_97064_84","meeting_id":"97064","media_asset_id":"med_97064_34ae2960e8ae89f4","agenda_item_id":null,"speaker_id":"spk_97064_anya_lindsay_jenkins","speaker_confidence":1,"start_sec":2363.43,"end_sec":2380.62,"text":"Yes, we're we're 80% funded right now, and that came from the support of Senator Carper when he was in office, and Senator Coons, as well as uh Senator William Bush. So we're about 80% from our goal. Um again, this project has been in works for about 2 years now. So um we will be breaking ground sometime this month, and the first phase is due to be completed um by the summer, with the second phase at the end of the year.","topics_json":"[\"budget\"]","vector_id":"vec_seg_97064_84","created_at":"2026-10-31T05:51:14Z","speaker_name":"Anya Lindsay-Jenkins"},{"id":"seg_97064_85","meeting_id":"97064","media_asset_id":"med_97064_34ae2960e8ae89f4","agenda_item_id":null,"speaker_id":"spk_97064_anya_lindsay_jenkins","speaker_confidence":1,"start_sec":2381.16,"end_sec":2415.67,"text":"Can we uh slide again? There's an outdoor playscape area, which will have a multifunctional court for volleyball, pickleball, basketball, a playground area for camp, and with pavilions as well.","topics_json":"[]","vector_id":"vec_seg_97064_85","created_at":"2026-10-31T05:51:14Z","speaker_name":"Anya Lindsay-Jenkins"},{"id":"seg_97064_86","meeting_id":"97064","media_asset_id":"med_97064_34ae2960e8ae89f4","agenda_item_id":null,"speaker_id":"spk_97064_anya_lindsay_jenkins","speaker_confidence":1,"start_sec":2416.75,"end_sec":2423.3,"text":"Can you um I think you that that is you can hit play on that, I believe. You can click on it and it should move. Maybe it won't.","topics_json":"[]","vector_id":"vec_seg_97064_86","created_at":"2026-10-31T05:51:14Z","speaker_name":"Anya Lindsay-Jenkins"},{"id":"seg_97064_87","meeting_id":"97064","media_asset_id":"med_97064_34ae2960e8ae89f4","agenda_item_id":null,"speaker_id":"spk_97064_anya_lindsay_jenkins","speaker_confidence":1,"start_sec":2423.48,"end_sec":2428.59,"text":"Okay. Next slide. Okay. That's it. It's not going to play.","topics_json":"[]","vector_id":"vec_seg_97064_87","created_at":"2026-10-31T05:51:14Z","speaker_name":"Anya Lindsay-Jenkins"},{"id":"seg_97064_88","meeting_id":"97064","media_asset_id":"med_97064_34ae2960e8ae89f4","agenda_item_id":null,"speaker_id":"spk_97064_anya_lindsay_jenkins","speaker_confidence":1,"start_sec":2429.55,"end_sec":2436.52,"text":"More information can be found in your packet as well, so yes. Yes. Okay.","topics_json":"[]","vector_id":"vec_seg_97064_88","created_at":"2026-10-31T05:51:14Z","speaker_name":"Anya Lindsay-Jenkins"},{"id":"seg_97064_89","meeting_id":"97064","media_asset_id":"med_97064_34ae2960e8ae89f4","agenda_item_id":null,"speaker_id":"off_fred_a_neil","speaker_confidence":1,"start_sec":2436.82,"end_sec":2437.78,"text":"Yes, uh Councilman Boggerty.","topics_json":"[]","vector_id":"vec_seg_97064_89","created_at":"2026-10-31T05:51:14Z","speaker_name":"Fred A. Neil"},{"id":"seg_97064_9","meeting_id":"97064","media_asset_id":"med_97064_34ae2960e8ae89f4","agenda_item_id":null,"speaker_id":"spk_97064_bobby_wilson","speaker_confidence":0.95,"start_sec":69.4,"end_sec":243.6,"text":"Hello, my name is Bobby Wilson and this Miss DeNiera Gibson. She's the spokesperson and the marketing um director for Booted and Suited. Um today I come before you to present a clean up for a safer, greener, and cleaner Downtown Dover. And I'm not here to step on public works toes cuz I know they take care of the clean up in Downtown Dover. All I'm here to do is to enhance their ability to do a greater job in cleaning up Downtown Dover. Um as you know, we have a a lot of problems in Downtown Dover with um homelessness, uh trash, debris, uh people uh defecating on the sidewalks and I mean it's became a bathroom Downtown Dover. And what we're going to present tonight is to clean that up. Uh I'm at 33- 32 West Loockerman Street. Um my office is there and I have used this um Narcan eight times to bring individuals back from death. And it's it's sad, right there on the main drag of Loockerman Street. And uh Downtown Dover Partnership, it's happening right in front of their door. So I'm asking you tonight uh with the budget that we come before uh before you with, if you would please uh consider it. I spoken with the um the manager, the city manager, the assistant city manager in reference to this budget.","topics_json":"[\"homelessness\",\"public_safety\",\"budget\"]","vector_id":"vec_seg_97064_9","created_at":"2026-10-31T05:51:14Z","speaker_name":"Bobby Wilson"},{"id":"seg_97064_90","meeting_id":"97064","media_asset_id":"med_97064_34ae2960e8ae89f4","agenda_item_id":null,"speaker_id":"off_andre_m_boggerty","speaker_confidence":1,"start_sec":2438.09,"end_sec":2492.48,"text":"Uh thank you. Um I want to thank you um with the follow-up of our previous conversations and finally being able to get our schedules to connect. Um this is a program that I stand behind. I'm grateful um as I committed myself to get back to some of the things I love to do and that is working with youth, working with individuals and organizations who who have um have a history of performing. One of the things that I'm excited about is the location is closer. So that accessibility to to some of our um kids are for some of our kids and participants are closer than the and and it's neutral and you know, many of us know that being location is important based on, you know, some of the things we experience. And we all know that um that things like AI and is is emerging. So it's forward-thinking.","topics_json":"[\"public_safety\"]","vector_id":"vec_seg_97064_90","created_at":"2026-10-31T05:51:14Z","speaker_name":"Andre M. Boggerty"},{"id":"seg_97064_91","meeting_id":"97064","media_asset_id":"med_97064_34ae2960e8ae89f4","agenda_item_id":null,"speaker_id":"off_andre_m_boggerty","speaker_confidence":1,"start_sec":2496.33,"end_sec":2552.35,"text":"Um it's meeting individuals where where I'm at. I am where they at. I am I am now a parent of a gamer, which is absolutely a different world for me, having raised athletes. So um I've learned to appreciate, although not quite understanding, the the gamer life. So to to have that in a safe place, um then obviously the um multimedia rooms. I'm excited that there's a combination of both. Um I have personally, my wife and myself, have have personally committed to providing financial support out of our of our own. I will ask that um um I will ask my colleagues who, you know, we really, really we we often say our children and our young people don't have anything to do. This is just an earshot away from Dover High. So so that also helps.","topics_json":"[\"budget\",\"public_safety\"]","vector_id":"vec_seg_97064_91","created_at":"2026-10-31T05:51:14Z","speaker_name":"Andre M. Boggerty"},{"id":"seg_97064_92","meeting_id":"97064","media_asset_id":"med_97064_34ae2960e8ae89f4","agenda_item_id":null,"speaker_id":"off_andre_m_boggerty","speaker_confidence":1,"start_sec":2552.47,"end_sec":2597.07,"text":"And then the year-round participant uh participation in the varied activities. I I I won't ask you all to do anything personally, but let's please consider getting behind um Big Brothers and Big Sisters of Delaware. Again, they've already they've already have a lot of funding. I know there may be some nuances we may need to visit um as far as location, etc. But um but however we can make this happen, I'm excited about what you're doing, and you have my unwavering commitment as a councilman and as Andre. I yield.","topics_json":"[\"budget\"]","vector_id":"vec_seg_97064_92","created_at":"2026-10-31T05:51:14Z","speaker_name":"Andre M. Boggerty"},{"id":"seg_97064_93","meeting_id":"97064","media_asset_id":"med_97064_34ae2960e8ae89f4","agenda_item_id":null,"speaker_id":"off_fred_a_neil","speaker_confidence":1,"start_sec":2597.67,"end_sec":2599.29,"text":"Questions, says Councilman Anderson.","topics_json":"[]","vector_id":"vec_seg_97064_93","created_at":"2026-10-31T05:51:14Z","speaker_name":"Fred A. 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I know one, but unfortunately we can't recommend them because that would promote services. But there are companies out there that will pay you for Right. a abandoned vehicle.","topics_json":"[]","vector_id":"vec_seg_97337_140","created_at":"2026-10-31T06:12:18Z","speaker_name":null},{"id":"seg_97337_141","meeting_id":"97337","media_asset_id":"med_97337_04be4c2674e62b41","agenda_item_id":null,"speaker_id":"spk_97337_female_board_member","speaker_confidence":0.85,"start_sec":1451.14,"end_sec":1452.25,"text":"And they'll tow the car.","topics_json":"[]","vector_id":"vec_seg_97337_141","created_at":"2026-10-31T06:12:18Z","speaker_name":null},{"id":"seg_97337_142","meeting_id":"97337","media_asset_id":"med_97337_04be4c2674e62b41","agenda_item_id":null,"speaker_id":"spk_97337_city_staff","speaker_confidence":0.85,"start_sec":1452.27,"end_sec":1455.17,"text":"Yeah. Um but if we were to have it towed, there is no charge to the city.","topics_json":"[]","vector_id":"vec_seg_97337_142","created_at":"2026-10-31T06:12:18Z","speaker_name":null},{"id":"seg_97337_143","meeting_id":"97337","media_asset_id":"med_97337_04be4c2674e62b41","agenda_item_id":null,"speaker_id":"spk_97337_female_board_member","speaker_confidence":0.85,"start_sec":1455.34,"end_sec":1456.43,"text":"Okay. 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And, you know, I'd like to know the the idea of, you know, why, the reasoning for it, and then take the steps of, okay, well, now we know where you're coming from, and now this is the result of of what you're coming from is a letter, a fine, and now we're towing it because, you know, sentimental value only goes so far if you're not going to do anything about it.","topics_json":"[]","vector_id":"vec_seg_97337_146","created_at":"2026-10-31T06:12:18Z","speaker_name":null},{"id":"seg_97337_147","meeting_id":"97337","media_asset_id":"med_97337_04be4c2674e62b41","agenda_item_id":null,"speaker_id":"spk_97337_board_member_2","speaker_confidence":0.85,"start_sec":1543.74,"end_sec":1605.14,"text":"If I could, just a Just to comment, um the code doesn't grant us the ability to give that exemption. Um and um just in closing remarks, John has gone above and beyond with granting leniency with this case. 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What we do today could dictate further cases, and","topics_json":"[]","vector_id":"vec_seg_97337_147","created_at":"2026-10-31T06:12:18Z","speaker_name":null},{"id":"seg_97337_148","meeting_id":"97337","media_asset_id":"med_97337_04be4c2674e62b41","agenda_item_id":null,"speaker_id":"spk_97337_chief_code_enforcement_officer","speaker_confidence":0.9,"start_sec":1605.15,"end_sec":1626.95,"text":"this case could be quoted. Um, so just keep that in mind as we're going through here, but the it's my belief as the Chief Code Enforcement Officer in the City of Dover that this code was interpreted correctly, and with the lack of exemption, I would feel and it's on behalf the Code Enforcement that we move we request that this appeal be denied based on the facts and the evidence presented at today's board.","topics_json":"[\"public_safety\",\"zoning\"]","vector_id":"vec_seg_97337_148","created_at":"2026-10-31T06:12:18Z","speaker_name":null},{"id":"seg_97337_149","meeting_id":"97337","media_asset_id":"med_97337_04be4c2674e62b41","agenda_item_id":null,"speaker_id":"spk_97337_chair","speaker_confidence":0.85,"start_sec":1626.95,"end_sec":1632.65,"text":"Did you Um, yeah, okay, yeah. 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It was more or less like if you committed a crime, and you had to explain why you committed the crime, and you didn't show up because of of not a way to get there or anything else, and you weren't able to give your reasoning for why you did what you did, it's not compassion, it's more or less explanation","topics_json":"[\"public_safety\"]","vector_id":"vec_seg_97337_150","created_at":"2026-10-31T06:12:18Z","speaker_name":"Ms. Maine"},{"id":"seg_97337_151","meeting_id":"97337","media_asset_id":"med_97337_04be4c2674e62b41","agenda_item_id":null,"speaker_id":"spk_97337_chief_code_enforcement_officer","speaker_confidence":0.8,"start_sec":1656.95,"end_sec":1657.75,"text":"Mm-hm.","topics_json":"[]","vector_id":"vec_seg_97337_151","created_at":"2026-10-31T06:12:18Z","speaker_name":null},{"id":"seg_97337_152","meeting_id":"97337","media_asset_id":"med_97337_04be4c2674e62b41","agenda_item_id":null,"speaker_id":"spk_97337_ms_maine","speaker_confidence":0.9,"start_sec":1657.75,"end_sec":1719.95,"text":"than compassion, because, like I said, you know, if I were if I were Code Enforcement, it would have been removed and that's it, you're fined, bye-bye. But it it's more or less, what is keeping you from following the code? Do you not know the code? Do you have you not, you know, like what is what is the the reasoning for this? Not, you know, \"Oh, let's cradle you and\"","topics_json":"[\"public_safety\"]","vector_id":"vec_seg_97337_152","created_at":"2026-10-31T06:12:18Z","speaker_name":"Ms. Maine"},{"id":"seg_97337_153","meeting_id":"97337","media_asset_id":"med_97337_04be4c2674e62b41","agenda_item_id":null,"speaker_id":"spk_97337_chair","speaker_confidence":0.8,"start_sec":1719.95,"end_sec":1720.95,"text":"Right.","topics_json":"[]","vector_id":"vec_seg_97337_153","created_at":"2026-10-31T06:12:18Z","speaker_name":null},{"id":"seg_97337_154","meeting_id":"97337","media_asset_id":"med_97337_04be4c2674e62b41","agenda_item_id":null,"speaker_id":"spk_97337_ms_maine","speaker_confidence":0.9,"start_sec":1720.95,"end_sec":1741.75,"text":"you know, give caring, but in support of you guys for giving the opportunity, but where is is it not computing in her head that, okay, it needs to be removed? It needs to be towed? It it, you know, do do we need to word it in a way that's, you know, more be of, okay, you violated it, now it's bye-bye vehicle. I yield.","topics_json":"[\"public_safety\"]","vector_id":"vec_seg_97337_154","created_at":"2026-10-31T06:12:18Z","speaker_name":"Ms. Maine"},{"id":"seg_97337_155","meeting_id":"97337","media_asset_id":"med_97337_04be4c2674e62b41","agenda_item_id":null,"speaker_id":"spk_97337_chair","speaker_confidence":0.9,"start_sec":1741.75,"end_sec":1746.35,"text":"Chair recognizes um Dr. Pillsbury, and then we'll follow by—","topics_json":"[]","vector_id":"vec_seg_97337_155","created_at":"2026-10-31T06:12:18Z","speaker_name":null},{"id":"seg_97337_156","meeting_id":"97337","media_asset_id":"med_97337_04be4c2674e62b41","agenda_item_id":null,"speaker_id":"off_julia_m_pillsbury","speaker_confidence":0.95,"start_sec":1746.35,"end_sec":1752.15,"text":"I think she's already gotten several letters, so she's already been notified. We can't—","topics_json":"[\"public_safety\"]","vector_id":"vec_seg_97337_156","created_at":"2026-10-31T06:12:18Z","speaker_name":"Julia M. Pillsbury"},{"id":"seg_97337_157","meeting_id":"97337","media_asset_id":"med_97337_04be4c2674e62b41","agenda_item_id":null,"speaker_id":"off_julia_m_pillsbury","speaker_confidence":0.95,"start_sec":1712.16,"end_sec":1767.06,"text":"Certainly, and we're giving her 30 days to notify us and let us know if there is an issue or to take action. If we need to modify the letter to state that she can call us and appeal it again or whatever, we can do that, but I feel that she's been given adequate opportunity, and I'm not -- believe me, I'm a pediatrician and I have a heart of gold. I'm not trying to be mean or penalize, but this has gone on for three years, and I think she's taken advantage of everybody's sympathies, and they have been more than accommodating to her. And I think now we need to put down some firm discipline, okay? Because she's just taking advantage, I feel. And so that's my rationale for the recommendation.","topics_json":"[\"housing\"]","vector_id":"vec_seg_97337_157","created_at":"2026-10-31T06:12:18Z","speaker_name":"Julia M. Pillsbury"},{"id":"seg_97337_158","meeting_id":"97337","media_asset_id":"med_97337_04be4c2674e62b41","agenda_item_id":null,"speaker_id":"off_andre_m_boggerty","speaker_confidence":0.9,"start_sec":1767.06,"end_sec":1779.26,"text":"Thank you. If we have dialogue, um, if I could -- I'm recognized -- if, if I could just to clarify, because I know Madam Clerk, um, stated that she made three attempts to contact. She said she called her. Did you actually speak to her when you called her?","topics_json":"[\"housing\"]","vector_id":"vec_seg_97337_158","created_at":"2026-10-31T06:12:18Z","speaker_name":"Andre M. Boggerty"},{"id":"seg_97337_159","meeting_id":"97337","media_asset_id":"med_97337_04be4c2674e62b41","agenda_item_id":null,"speaker_id":"spk_97337_city_clerk","speaker_confidence":0.9,"start_sec":1779.26,"end_sec":1779.96,"text":"Yes, I did.","topics_json":"[]","vector_id":"vec_seg_97337_159","created_at":"2026-10-31T06:12:18Z","speaker_name":null},{"id":"seg_97337_16","meeting_id":"97337","media_asset_id":"med_97337_04be4c2674e62b41","agenda_item_id":null,"speaker_id":"spk_97337_roy_sudler_jr","speaker_confidence":0.95,"start_sec":59.8,"end_sec":104.9,"text":"Thank you, Council President, for recognizing me and thank you, um, for your leadership. Um, at this present moment, we have before us item number two, Dover Code Ordinance Violation Chapter 106, Traffic and Vehicles, Article 3, Stopping, Standing, and Parking Division 1, Section 106-130, Wrecked, Non-operating, Non-operating, Improperly Parked or, Improperly Parked or Equipped Vehicles. Appeal of violation, 276 Greenblade Drive, Bernice Capone. It's been brought to our understanding for the record, I'll refer to the city clerk in regards to a phone conversation that we received from Ms. Capone with the city clerk. Could you just elaborate?","topics_json":"[\"public_safety\"]","vector_id":"vec_seg_97337_16","created_at":"2026-10-31T06:12:18Z","speaker_name":null},{"id":"seg_97337_160","meeting_id":"97337","media_asset_id":"med_97337_04be4c2674e62b41","agenda_item_id":null,"speaker_id":"off_andre_m_boggerty","speaker_confidence":0.9,"start_sec":1779.96,"end_sec":1780.86,"text":"So you did and you...","topics_json":"[]","vector_id":"vec_seg_97337_160","created_at":"2026-10-31T06:12:18Z","speaker_name":"Andre M. Boggerty"},{"id":"seg_97337_161","meeting_id":"97337","media_asset_id":"med_97337_04be4c2674e62b41","agenda_item_id":null,"speaker_id":"spk_97337_city_clerk","speaker_confidence":0.9,"start_sec":1780.86,"end_sec":1782.16,"text":"Yes, I did speak to her, yes.","topics_json":"[]","vector_id":"vec_seg_97337_161","created_at":"2026-10-31T06:12:18Z","speaker_name":null},{"id":"seg_97337_162","meeting_id":"97337","media_asset_id":"med_97337_04be4c2674e62b41","agenda_item_id":null,"speaker_id":"off_andre_m_boggerty","speaker_confidence":0.9,"start_sec":1782.16,"end_sec":1805.46,"text":"Okay. So, she was aware of the appeal today, um, and she filed for the appeal herself. She was aware of the appeal, she had three contacts, and she did not attempt to make any contact until you contacted her, correctly? So you contacted her after the meeting had already started at 3:30, so she was aware of the meeting and did not attempt to make contact. I think that should be taken into consideration as well.","topics_json":"[\"housing\"]","vector_id":"vec_seg_97337_162","created_at":"2026-10-31T06:12:18Z","speaker_name":"Andre M. Boggerty"},{"id":"seg_97337_163","meeting_id":"97337","media_asset_id":"med_97337_04be4c2674e62b41","agenda_item_id":null,"speaker_id":"off_fred_a_neil","speaker_confidence":0.9,"start_sec":1805.46,"end_sec":1819.16,"text":"All right. Yes, uh, thank you, Mr. Chairman. Um, compliance makes this whole thing very simple. Compliance makes it disappear. If she takes action, knowing that it's there, she gets a letter and disappears. But if she doesn't, then no clue...","topics_json":"[\"housing\"]","vector_id":"vec_seg_97337_163","created_at":"2026-10-31T06:12:18Z","speaker_name":"Fred A. 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Because of the timeline and the after fact, the code inspectors hope to help you.","topics_json":"[]","vector_id":"vec_seg_97337_164","created_at":"2026-10-31T06:12:18Z","speaker_name":null},{"id":"seg_97337_165","meeting_id":"97337","media_asset_id":"med_97337_04be4c2674e62b41","agenda_item_id":null,"speaker_id":"spk_97337_board_member_2","speaker_confidence":0.85,"start_sec":1826.27,"end_sec":1827.67,"text":"I do have one more statement, though.","topics_json":"[]","vector_id":"vec_seg_97337_165","created_at":"2026-10-31T06:12:18Z","speaker_name":null},{"id":"seg_97337_166","meeting_id":"97337","media_asset_id":"med_97337_04be4c2674e62b41","agenda_item_id":null,"speaker_id":"spk_97337_board_member_1","speaker_confidence":0.85,"start_sec":1827.77,"end_sec":1828.37,"text":"Yes, ma'am.","topics_json":"[]","vector_id":"vec_seg_97337_166","created_at":"2026-10-31T06:12:18Z","speaker_name":null},{"id":"seg_97337_167","meeting_id":"97337","media_asset_id":"med_97337_04be4c2674e62b41","agenda_item_id":null,"speaker_id":"spk_97337_board_member_2","speaker_confidence":0.85,"start_sec":1828.37,"end_sec":1930.17,"text":"Um, but the reason why she appealed is cuz this committee wasn't fully able to actually take any appeals cuz it was missing a couple members. So, in in in in a matter of speaking, yes, it happened in 2023, but we just got everything done this year -- oh, actually the end of last year, beginning of this year. I mean, I like I said, I I I am all for the letter being written and everything else, but just it is, you know, still, like what is that what is that that's killing me? And I studied psychology. I'm a major in psychology. That's where I'm coming with all this stuff is I see things in different angles and and I'm pretty much just trying to get down to the bottom of, okay, yes, you've had this time, yes, we finally got what we need in order to say, okay, we're not putting up with it anymore, this is this is it. Here's your letter, here's this. But then I still would like to know if like I would still like her hopefully to contact the board and be like this is the reason why.","topics_json":"[]","vector_id":"vec_seg_97337_167","created_at":"2026-10-31T06:12:18Z","speaker_name":null},{"id":"seg_97337_168","meeting_id":"97337","media_asset_id":"med_97337_04be4c2674e62b41","agenda_item_id":null,"speaker_id":"spk_97337_board_member_3","speaker_confidence":0.85,"start_sec":1930.27,"end_sec":1932.77,"text":"We can modify it. 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Miss Capone?","topics_json":"[\"housing\"]","vector_id":"vec_seg_97337_225","created_at":"2026-10-31T06:12:18Z","speaker_name":null},{"id":"seg_97337_226","meeting_id":"97337","media_asset_id":"med_97337_04be4c2674e62b41","agenda_item_id":null,"speaker_id":"off_roy_sudler_jr","speaker_confidence":1,"start_sec":2354.22,"end_sec":2355.36,"text":"Ms. Capone?","topics_json":"[]","vector_id":"vec_seg_97337_226","created_at":"2026-10-31T06:12:18Z","speaker_name":"Roy Sudler, Jr."},{"id":"seg_97337_227","meeting_id":"97337","media_asset_id":"med_97337_04be4c2674e62b41","agenda_item_id":null,"speaker_id":"spk_97337_capone","speaker_confidence":0.9,"start_sec":2355.36,"end_sec":2358.76,"text":"Hello? I'm not sure who am I speaking to.","topics_json":"[]","vector_id":"vec_seg_97337_227","created_at":"2026-10-31T06:12:18Z","speaker_name":"Capone"},{"id":"seg_97337_228","meeting_id":"97337","media_asset_id":"med_97337_04be4c2674e62b41","agenda_item_id":null,"speaker_id":"off_roy_sudler_jr","speaker_confidence":1,"start_sec":2360.99,"end_sec":2368.73,"text":"Ms. Capone, how are you today? Can you hear me? Ms. Capone, can you hear me?","topics_json":"[]","vector_id":"vec_seg_97337_228","created_at":"2026-10-31T06:12:18Z","speaker_name":"Roy Sudler, Jr."},{"id":"seg_97337_229","meeting_id":"97337","media_asset_id":"med_97337_04be4c2674e62b41","agenda_item_id":null,"speaker_id":"off_roy_sudler_jr","speaker_confidence":1,"start_sec":2369.23,"end_sec":2371.14,"text":"All righty. Let's try this one.","topics_json":"[]","vector_id":"vec_seg_97337_229","created_at":"2026-10-31T06:12:18Z","speaker_name":"Roy Sudler, Jr."},{"id":"seg_97337_23","meeting_id":"97337","media_asset_id":"med_97337_04be4c2674e62b41","agenda_item_id":null,"speaker_id":"off_fred_a_neil","speaker_confidence":0.95,"start_sec":158.51,"end_sec":214.01,"text":"Thank you, Mr. Chairman. Uh I believe we ought to hear from the code inspectors about what this was about, because the uh information that was sent to get provided in the packet shows that it was actually closed in uh 2023, on May 10th, as being in compliance, and then it was reopened uh by Mr. England on February 20th, 2024, when you see he noticed the same violation of the gates and sent up a new violation letter. So there is a history here. And in this uh notice, um uh Mr. England noticed on March 20th, 2024, spoke to Ms. Capone and gave her a 30-day extension. 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Can I have a second?","topics_json":"[\"zoning\"]","vector_id":"vec_seg_97337_347","created_at":"2026-10-31T06:12:18Z","speaker_name":null},{"id":"seg_97337_348","meeting_id":"97337","media_asset_id":"med_97337_04be4c2674e62b41","agenda_item_id":null,"speaker_id":"spk_97337_board_member_2","speaker_confidence":0.85,"start_sec":2998.68,"end_sec":3000.38,"text":"Friendly call friendly amendment.","topics_json":"[\"zoning\"]","vector_id":"vec_seg_97337_348","created_at":"2026-10-31T06:12:18Z","speaker_name":null},{"id":"seg_97337_349","meeting_id":"97337","media_asset_id":"med_97337_04be4c2674e62b41","agenda_item_id":null,"speaker_id":"spk_97337_board_member_3","speaker_confidence":0.85,"start_sec":3000.38,"end_sec":3011.78,"text":"Yes, friendly amendment to just make sure that it's 30 days from the when because it might take her two, three days to get get the letter out. 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Uh, we would remove the $200 citation if the vehicle is removed within 30 days.","topics_json":"[\"zoning\"]","vector_id":"vec_seg_97337_351","created_at":"2026-10-31T06:12:18Z","speaker_name":null},{"id":"seg_97337_352","meeting_id":"97337","media_asset_id":"med_97337_04be4c2674e62b41","agenda_item_id":null,"speaker_id":"spk_97337_board_member_1","speaker_confidence":0.85,"start_sec":3045.58,"end_sec":3047.28,"text":"Or repaired within 30 days, right?","topics_json":"[\"zoning\"]","vector_id":"vec_seg_97337_352","created_at":"2026-10-31T06:12:18Z","speaker_name":null},{"id":"seg_97337_353","meeting_id":"97337","media_asset_id":"med_97337_04be4c2674e62b41","agenda_item_id":null,"speaker_id":"spk_97337_board_member_4","speaker_confidence":0.85,"start_sec":3047.28,"end_sec":3099.68,"text":"Or repaired. Or or something. Or or something. And if if somebody is going to reach out to her from the board, there's storage units that you can go park that car in that is in compliance. 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So, um, typically with discussion is discussion in regards to the scope of the motion, um, for our vote. And what we'll do is we're going to pause there, and what we'll do is we'll just take the vote, if it's okay with you, and then we'll then we'll, I'll recognize you and then we can continue, and then we'll be able to, um, speak. Okay? Are you okay with that?","topics_json":"[]","vector_id":"vec_seg_97337_36","created_at":"2026-10-31T06:12:18Z","speaker_name":"Roy Sudler, Jr."},{"id":"seg_97337_360","meeting_id":"97337","media_asset_id":"med_97337_04be4c2674e62b41","agenda_item_id":null,"speaker_id":"spk_97337_board_chair","speaker_confidence":0.85,"start_sec":3126.28,"end_sec":3138.38,"text":"Any opposed? No opposition. It passes unanimously. So it will go out from the date it is actually sent out, that is when the 30 days starts. And then she's in compliance, or she's not.","topics_json":"[\"zoning\"]","vector_id":"vec_seg_97337_360","created_at":"2026-10-31T06:12:18Z","speaker_name":null},{"id":"seg_97337_361","meeting_id":"97337","media_asset_id":"med_97337_04be4c2674e62b41","agenda_item_id":null,"speaker_id":"spk_97337_board_member_5","speaker_confidence":0.85,"start_sec":3138.38,"end_sec":3143.28,"text":"Thank you. Above and beyond what you've just facilitated. Thank you, Doc. That was very nice of you.","topics_json":"[\"zoning\"]","vector_id":"vec_seg_97337_361","created_at":"2026-10-31T06:12:18Z","speaker_name":null},{"id":"seg_97337_362","meeting_id":"97337","media_asset_id":"med_97337_04be4c2674e62b41","agenda_item_id":null,"speaker_id":"spk_97337_chair","speaker_confidence":0.85,"start_sec":3103.29,"end_sec":3109.09,"text":"Thank you, sir. That's on behalf of the, you know, city, and we all do it for our constituents, and thank you for recognizing.","topics_json":"[]","vector_id":"vec_seg_97337_362","created_at":"2026-10-31T06:12:18Z","speaker_name":null},{"id":"seg_97337_363","meeting_id":"97337","media_asset_id":"med_97337_04be4c2674e62b41","agenda_item_id":null,"speaker_id":"spk_97337_board_member","speaker_confidence":0.8,"start_sec":3109.59,"end_sec":3122.69,"text":"I have a question. She sounds impaired. Is there any- does the city have any ability to make a referral to anybody in like in a state agency or anything?","topics_json":"[\"public_safety\"]","vector_id":"vec_seg_97337_363","created_at":"2026-10-31T06:12:18Z","speaker_name":null},{"id":"seg_97337_364","meeting_id":"97337","media_asset_id":"med_97337_04be4c2674e62b41","agenda_item_id":null,"speaker_id":"spk_97337_male_speaker","speaker_confidence":0.8,"start_sec":3123.09,"end_sec":3127.69,"text":"I would recomm- I would, if I could, just recommend adjourning, going off the record, and then having further discussion about that.","topics_json":"[]","vector_id":"vec_seg_97337_364","created_at":"2026-10-31T06:12:18Z","speaker_name":null},{"id":"seg_97337_365","meeting_id":"97337","media_asset_id":"med_97337_04be4c2674e62b41","agenda_item_id":null,"speaker_id":"spk_97337_board_member","speaker_confidence":0.8,"start_sec":3127.69,"end_sec":3129.29,"text":"Okay, that's fine.","topics_json":"[]","vector_id":"vec_seg_97337_365","created_at":"2026-10-31T06:12:18Z","speaker_name":null},{"id":"seg_97337_366","meeting_id":"97337","media_asset_id":"med_97337_04be4c2674e62b41","agenda_item_id":null,"speaker_id":"spk_97337_male_speaker","speaker_confidence":0.7,"start_sec":3129.29,"end_sec":3132.29,"text":"Sure. So I can take my slippers in.","topics_json":"[]","vector_id":"vec_seg_97337_366","created_at":"2026-10-31T06:12:18Z","speaker_name":null},{"id":"seg_97337_367","meeting_id":"97337","media_asset_id":"med_97337_04be4c2674e62b41","agenda_item_id":null,"speaker_id":"spk_97337_male_speaker","speaker_confidence":0.75,"start_sec":3133.09,"end_sec":3134.79,"text":"That's a good point.","topics_json":"[]","vector_id":"vec_seg_97337_367","created_at":"2026-10-31T06:12:18Z","speaker_name":null},{"id":"seg_97337_368","meeting_id":"97337","media_asset_id":"med_97337_04be4c2674e62b41","agenda_item_id":null,"speaker_id":"spk_97337_board_member","speaker_confidence":0.8,"start_sec":3134.89,"end_sec":3135.99,"text":"Thank you.","topics_json":"[]","vector_id":"vec_seg_97337_368","created_at":"2026-10-31T06:12:18Z","speaker_name":null},{"id":"seg_97337_369","meeting_id":"97337","media_asset_id":"med_97337_04be4c2674e62b41","agenda_item_id":null,"speaker_id":"spk_97337_chair","speaker_confidence":0.85,"start_sec":3136.49,"end_sec":3140.29,"text":"Um, well, we- did we vote? Yeah, we already- Okay. So...","topics_json":"[]","vector_id":"vec_seg_97337_369","created_at":"2026-10-31T06:12:18Z","speaker_name":null},{"id":"seg_97337_37","meeting_id":"97337","media_asset_id":"med_97337_04be4c2674e62b41","agenda_item_id":null,"speaker_id":"spk_97337_ms_mangum","speaker_confidence":0.9,"start_sec":355.63,"end_sec":356.53,"text":"Absolutely.","topics_json":"[]","vector_id":"vec_seg_97337_37","created_at":"2026-10-31T06:12:18Z","speaker_name":"Ms. Mangum"},{"id":"seg_97337_370","meeting_id":"97337","media_asset_id":"med_97337_04be4c2674e62b41","agenda_item_id":null,"speaker_id":"spk_97337_chair","speaker_confidence":0.85,"start_sec":3140.29,"end_sec":3154.29,"text":"Um, did you- We are adjourned. The- let me do- let me do this properly. Let me do this correctly. It's been a while. The, uh, Code Board of Appeals for the City of Dover, Delaware, is now adjourned. If there's no further business, is now adjourned. Thank you, everyone.","topics_json":"[]","vector_id":"vec_seg_97337_370","created_at":"2026-10-31T06:12:18Z","speaker_name":null},{"id":"seg_97337_38","meeting_id":"97337","media_asset_id":"med_97337_04be4c2674e62b41","agenda_item_id":null,"speaker_id":"off_roy_sudler_jr","speaker_confidence":0.95,"start_sec":356.53,"end_sec":361.03,"text":"Okay. Um, it's been properly moved, properly seconded. All those in favor, please state by saying aye.","topics_json":"[]","vector_id":"vec_seg_97337_38","created_at":"2026-10-31T06:12:18Z","speaker_name":"Roy Sudler, Jr."},{"id":"seg_97337_39","meeting_id":"97337","media_asset_id":"med_97337_04be4c2674e62b41","agenda_item_id":null,"speaker_id":"spk_97337_board_members","speaker_confidence":0.85,"start_sec":361.03,"end_sec":362.33,"text":"Aye.","topics_json":"[]","vector_id":"vec_seg_97337_39","created_at":"2026-10-31T06:12:18Z","speaker_name":null},{"id":"seg_97337_4","meeting_id":"97337","media_asset_id":"med_97337_04be4c2674e62b41","agenda_item_id":null,"speaker_id":"spk_97337_speaker_unknown_f","speaker_confidence":0.7,"start_sec":27.2,"end_sec":28.5,"text":"I second.","topics_json":"[]","vector_id":"vec_seg_97337_4","created_at":"2026-10-31T06:12:18Z","speaker_name":null},{"id":"seg_97337_40","meeting_id":"97337","media_asset_id":"med_97337_04be4c2674e62b41","agenda_item_id":null,"speaker_id":"off_roy_sudler_jr","speaker_confidence":0.95,"start_sec":362.33,"end_sec":424.23,"text":"Those opposed, please state by saying no. It has been properly adopted. Motion carries. Um, Ms. Mangum, the chair recognizes you to continue the discussion and ask your question, uh, to Code Enforcement and then also to open the, um, the discussion open for, as Council President Neil stated earlier, to hear the parameters around the case.","topics_json":"[\"zoning\"]","vector_id":"vec_seg_97337_40","created_at":"2026-10-31T06:12:18Z","speaker_name":"Roy Sudler, Jr."},{"id":"seg_97337_41","meeting_id":"97337","media_asset_id":"med_97337_04be4c2674e62b41","agenda_item_id":null,"speaker_id":"spk_97337_ms_mangum","speaker_confidence":0.9,"start_sec":424.23,"end_sec":436.43,"text":"Okay. Um, as what I had just stated, in the um, not sure if the, uh, minute clerk could go to the last pictures before right here, stop right there.","topics_json":"[\"zoning\"]","vector_id":"vec_seg_97337_41","created_at":"2026-10-31T06:12:18Z","speaker_name":"Ms. Mangum"},{"id":"seg_97337_42","meeting_id":"97337","media_asset_id":"med_97337_04be4c2674e62b41","agenda_item_id":null,"speaker_id":"spk_97337_minute_clerk","speaker_confidence":0.85,"start_sec":436.43,"end_sec":437.73,"text":"Oops, sorry.","topics_json":"[]","vector_id":"vec_seg_97337_42","created_at":"2026-10-31T06:12:18Z","speaker_name":null},{"id":"seg_97337_43","meeting_id":"97337","media_asset_id":"med_97337_04be4c2674e62b41","agenda_item_id":null,"speaker_id":"spk_97337_ms_mangum","speaker_confidence":0.9,"start_sec":437.73,"end_sec":453.03,"text":"On this date here, it was April of '25. The vehicle that is under there was the vehicle that was on a rocked area in the backyard on the first pictures, I believe what the what that was the first violation, am I correct?","topics_json":"[\"zoning\"]","vector_id":"vec_seg_97337_43","created_at":"2026-10-31T06:12:18Z","speaker_name":"Ms. Mangum"},{"id":"seg_97337_44","meeting_id":"97337","media_asset_id":"med_97337_04be4c2674e62b41","agenda_item_id":null,"speaker_id":"spk_97337_code_enforcement_officer","speaker_confidence":0.85,"start_sec":453.03,"end_sec":454.03,"text":"Correct.","topics_json":"[\"zoning\"]","vector_id":"vec_seg_97337_44","created_at":"2026-10-31T06:12:18Z","speaker_name":null},{"id":"seg_97337_45","meeting_id":"97337","media_asset_id":"med_97337_04be4c2674e62b41","agenda_item_id":null,"speaker_id":"spk_97337_ms_mangum","speaker_confidence":0.9,"start_sec":454.03,"end_sec":468.03,"text":"Okay. And and this picture in 2025, she moved the vehicle from where it was illegal to have it in the city to where it is compliant to being on a driveway that is","topics_json":"[\"zoning\"]","vector_id":"vec_seg_97337_45","created_at":"2026-10-31T06:12:18Z","speaker_name":"Ms. Mangum"},{"id":"seg_97337_46","meeting_id":"97337","media_asset_id":"med_97337_04be4c2674e62b41","agenda_item_id":null,"speaker_id":"spk_97337_audience_member","speaker_confidence":0.8,"start_sec":428.04,"end_sec":451.98,"text":"approved by the city obviously, cuz it's behind the fenced area, and she also went a little step further on it and covered it over so that it doesn't look like a major eyesore or a piece of trash. 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Um, just to clarify, even though that vehicle is under a tarp, it is still by definition, by the code, it is still a wrecked, non-operating or improperly equipped vehicle. So even though it's under a tarp, it still isn't violation of the code, by definition. Um, and then just to clarify for that vehicle, I know two tires are on the concrete, they're still two tires in the grass. The code doesn't dictate how many tires are on the grass. So, by our interpretation of code, it's still in violation. Um, just to clarify our, uh, what we see when we're enforcing the codes as written.","topics_json":"[\"zoning\"]","vector_id":"vec_seg_97337_49","created_at":"2026-10-31T06:12:18Z","speaker_name":"Eddie Kopp"},{"id":"seg_97337_5","meeting_id":"97337","media_asset_id":"med_97337_04be4c2674e62b41","agenda_item_id":null,"speaker_id":"off_robin_r_christiansen","speaker_confidence":0.95,"start_sec":28.5,"end_sec":34.6,"text":"And, uh, Mr. Rocha uh, has seconded the motion. Um, any discussion?","topics_json":"[]","vector_id":"vec_seg_97337_5","created_at":"2026-10-31T06:12:18Z","speaker_name":"Robin R. Christiansen"},{"id":"seg_97337_50","meeting_id":"97337","media_asset_id":"med_97337_04be4c2674e62b41","agenda_item_id":null,"speaker_id":"spk_97337_city_staff","speaker_confidence":0.9,"start_sec":535.05,"end_sec":642.05,"text":"Code Enforcement Officer Michael Bailey opened up 23-0206. Uh, his violation was, um, DCO Section 106.13, uh, 130, um, Section C, parking in the grass, vehicles shall not be park uh, permitted to be parked in front, side, rear yards, uh, required by Appendix B pertaining to zoning, except in approved driveways, garages, carports, or parking. Um, at the time, uh, Code Enforcement Officer Bailey wrote that she had to remove the vehicle from the grass, park only on an approved parking surface. If the vehicle is non-operating or unregistered, it needs to be removed from the property. He sent out a second notice February 13, 2023, and for whatever reason the case was closed as compliance made, um, on May 10th of 2023. Uh, February 20th, 2025, I observed the vehicle parked in the rear yard again. Um, this was my first experience with this vehicle. Um, when I came back to the office, I realized there was a previous case. Um, I opened up my case, 25-1137, sent a notice on February 20th, 2025. At that time, I cited I cited two violations. Number one, DCO Section 106-130, uh, letter C, parking in the grass, which is the same code that, uh, Code Enforcement Bailey wrote. Um, and then I also wrote, uh, a second violation, DCO Section 106-130 for wrecked, non-operating, or improperly parked vehicles, uh, on the property. Um, March 20th, 2025, I spoke to Mrs. Capone","topics_json":"[\"zoning\",\"public_safety\"]","vector_id":"vec_seg_97337_50","created_at":"2026-10-31T06:12:18Z","speaker_name":null},{"id":"seg_97337_51","meeting_id":"97337","media_asset_id":"med_97337_04be4c2674e62b41","agenda_item_id":null,"speaker_id":"spk_97337_city_staff","speaker_confidence":0.9,"start_sec":642.06,"end_sec":749.06,"text":"And she told me at the time that the the insurance company finally paid her uh finally totaled her vehicle and paid her for it. And um so I asked her what she was going to do. Her intent was to restore the vehicle in honor of her deceased husband who had passed away that year, I guess. So, at that time, I gave her a 30-day extension um to, number one, move the vehicle off the grass, and number two, if it's still uh inoperable, to remove the vehicle from the property. We talked about getting it towed off the property. Um, I followed up uh 30 days later, so uh April 21st, 2025, the vehicle was still there in the same location. Uh, a second notice uh and a $100 citation sent out certified mail. Now, mind you that the pictures that I took on February 20 20th, 2025, were identical to the pictures that Code Enforcement Officer Mike Bailey took in '23. So, I don't know why it was closed, but that's another that's another problem. Um, on April 22nd, Ms. Capone called me asking for another 30 days extension. I explained to her that this case goes back to '23, that I had already given her a 30-day extension, and um I advised her that she could request an appeal within 30 days to the city clerk's office. Uh, April 30th, 2025, um Ms. Capone called back to say that the vehicle was now moved off the grass. Um, I told her that I appreciated the effort, um however, that there was two violations that I sent out to her and that the vehicle still had to be removed from the property because it was unregistered in in a state of disrepair. Um, at that time, I gave her an additional 60 days uh to remove the vehicle from the property. Um, July 31st, 2025, my inspection showed the vehicle was still there,","topics_json":"[]","vector_id":"vec_seg_97337_51","created_at":"2026-10-31T06:12:18Z","speaker_name":null},{"id":"seg_97337_52","meeting_id":"97337","media_asset_id":"med_97337_04be4c2674e62b41","agenda_item_id":null,"speaker_id":"spk_97337_code_enforcement_officer","speaker_confidence":0.9,"start_sec":749.07,"end_sec":789.57,"text":"uh, I noted in the case that I was going to hold off on any further citations due to the appeal being submitted and waiting for this support, uh the appeal board here. Um, pretty much every month since then, uh including a couple days ago, the vehicle is still in the same location, in the driveway, disrepair. Um, and then there's also the second vehicle that's partially in the grass that I didn't write up, but she moved it in the grass in order to bring the first car onto the driveway. And, and so there's just not enough room for two cars. And so we have actually another violation that I haven't, you know, reviewed. Um, and so that's the history of the case.","topics_json":"[]","vector_id":"vec_seg_97337_52","created_at":"2026-10-31T06:12:18Z","speaker_name":null},{"id":"seg_97337_53","meeting_id":"97337","media_asset_id":"med_97337_04be4c2674e62b41","agenda_item_id":null,"speaker_id":"spk_97337_city_staff","speaker_confidence":0.85,"start_sec":789.87,"end_sec":854.77,"text":"If I can real quick. Um, just for the record, uh, Michael Bailey is no longer employed with the City of Dover, so we were unable to confirm if that case was in compliance when he closed it. Um, so he's not available for for that question or comment. But it's our belief that the case was not in compliance back in 2023 when it was closed, based off the evidence that's that's been provided uh on the record. So, thank you.","topics_json":"[]","vector_id":"vec_seg_97337_53","created_at":"2026-10-31T06:12:18Z","speaker_name":null},{"id":"seg_97337_54","meeting_id":"97337","media_asset_id":"med_97337_04be4c2674e62b41","agenda_item_id":null,"speaker_id":"spk_97337_chairman","speaker_confidence":0.85,"start_sec":855.67,"end_sec":861.57,"text":"Any questions from the committee? Miss Maine, you've been recognized, followed by a couple of others.","topics_json":"[]","vector_id":"vec_seg_97337_54","created_at":"2026-10-31T06:12:18Z","speaker_name":null},{"id":"seg_97337_55","meeting_id":"97337","media_asset_id":"med_97337_04be4c2674e62b41","agenda_item_id":null,"speaker_id":"spk_97337_maine","speaker_confidence":0.9,"start_sec":862.17,"end_sec":879.07,"text":"Um, I do have one question. Um, did you go back after and ask after this has been done and it's been like this for months? Did she give you any update of whether she was going to repair it or whether she needed some detail on how to remove the vehicle?","topics_json":"[]","vector_id":"vec_seg_97337_55","created_at":"2026-10-31T06:12:18Z","speaker_name":"Maine"},{"id":"seg_97337_56","meeting_id":"97337","media_asset_id":"med_97337_04be4c2674e62b41","agenda_item_id":null,"speaker_id":"spk_97337_code_enforcement_officer","speaker_confidence":0.9,"start_sec":879.27,"end_sec":896.07,"text":"Well, I I don't even know how she moved the vehicle to the spot. I I'm thinking she had a tow truck come in and yank it, or another vehicle. Um, but uh when I spoke to her, her intention was to repair it, and it's it as you can see by the pictures, it hasn't cut it hasn't","topics_json":"[]","vector_id":"vec_seg_97337_56","created_at":"2026-10-31T06:12:18Z","speaker_name":null},{"id":"seg_97337_57","meeting_id":"97337","media_asset_id":"med_97337_04be4c2674e62b41","agenda_item_id":null,"speaker_id":"spk_97337_unknown_speaker","speaker_confidence":0.5,"start_sec":856.08,"end_sec":857.18,"text":"...can touch.","topics_json":"[]","vector_id":"vec_seg_97337_57","created_at":"2026-10-31T06:12:18Z","speaker_name":null},{"id":"seg_97337_58","meeting_id":"97337","media_asset_id":"med_97337_04be4c2674e62b41","agenda_item_id":null,"speaker_id":"spk_97337_unknown_speaker","speaker_confidence":0.7,"start_sec":857.18,"end_sec":858.68,"text":"Go with Council President Neil.","topics_json":"[]","vector_id":"vec_seg_97337_58","created_at":"2026-10-31T06:12:18Z","speaker_name":null},{"id":"seg_97337_59","meeting_id":"97337","media_asset_id":"med_97337_04be4c2674e62b41","agenda_item_id":null,"speaker_id":"off_fred_a_neil","speaker_confidence":0.95,"start_sec":858.68,"end_sec":963.08,"text":"Yeah, I think I yelled. The biggest problem that you look at, if you take the human factor and you say, you understand this, look at the neighbors. I don't know how many neighbors have complained, but if you let that happen and you let a lot of people do the same thing, then all of a sudden, in this area, you have of junk cars. Because you can't move a junk car. And now the entire neighborhood, the value goes down for those people who really can't do anything about this. And that's why the law is is in place is to make sure that you're looking after their interests in terms as well as the person who's there. And one thing about our code inspectors, and I've seen this ever since I was elected in 2015 along with Dr. Sudler before he was a doctor, but anyhow, is that they really care about what's happening. They're not doing it they work and they will actually work with the person to resolve the problem before it gets to the appeal. And I've sat into other appeals where they've actually made suggestions where we were able to not have to take any action because of the suggestions they made. They care about the city and they care about the people. And I think here it's a problem, and that problem that the city, that the people in this city are concerned about: why would you let this happen? How many times would you have it through the neighborhood that suddenly you have these cars that are inoperable, that have wrecked or or or pushed off to the side,","topics_json":"[\"housing\",\"zoning\",\"public_safety\"]","vector_id":"vec_seg_97337_59","created_at":"2026-10-31T06:12:18Z","speaker_name":"Fred A. 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The whole thing's been paid for, for whatever.","topics_json":"[]","vector_id":"vec_seg_97337_61","created_at":"2026-10-31T06:12:18Z","speaker_name":null},{"id":"seg_97337_62","meeting_id":"97337","media_asset_id":"med_97337_04be4c2674e62b41","agenda_item_id":null,"speaker_id":"spk_97337_board_member","speaker_confidence":0.8,"start_sec":975.25,"end_sec":988.95,"text":"Well, and, and will it ever happen? And we don't know that. So that's why this is in effect and, and why they do it. And they lean over backwards to give the person a chance to resolve it before it gets to this particular point. I yield.","topics_json":"[]","vector_id":"vec_seg_97337_62","created_at":"2026-10-31T06:12:18Z","speaker_name":null},{"id":"seg_97337_63","meeting_id":"97337","media_asset_id":"med_97337_04be4c2674e62b41","agenda_item_id":null,"speaker_id":"spk_97337_chair","speaker_confidence":0.8,"start_sec":989.01,"end_sec":990.55,"text":"Thank you. 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Does the city tow it? Do you take possession of it?","topics_json":"[]","vector_id":"vec_seg_97337_91","created_at":"2026-10-31T06:12:18Z","speaker_name":null},{"id":"seg_97337_92","meeting_id":"97337","media_asset_id":"med_97337_04be4c2674e62b41","agenda_item_id":null,"speaker_id":"spk_97337_city_staff_2","speaker_confidence":0.85,"start_sec":1146,"end_sec":1149.5,"text":"That's more citations until she's in compliance.","topics_json":"[]","vector_id":"vec_seg_97337_92","created_at":"2026-10-31T06:12:18Z","speaker_name":null},{"id":"seg_97337_93","meeting_id":"97337","media_asset_id":"med_97337_04be4c2674e62b41","agenda_item_id":null,"speaker_id":"spk_97337_council_member_2","speaker_confidence":0.85,"start_sec":1149.5,"end_sec":1155.1,"text":"But what if she's never in compliance? She hasn't been in compliance in 3 years.","topics_json":"[]","vector_id":"vec_seg_97337_93","created_at":"2026-10-31T06:12:18Z","speaker_name":null},{"id":"seg_97337_94","meeting_id":"97337","media_asset_id":"med_97337_04be4c2674e62b41","agenda_item_id":null,"speaker_id":"spk_97337_city_staff","speaker_confidence":0.85,"start_sec":1155.1,"end_sec":1167.5,"text":"According to the current state law, we do not have the ability to tow the vehicle. Okay. Um our only option is for citation. Um so it would be up to her to remove the vehicle.","topics_json":"[]","vector_id":"vec_seg_97337_94","created_at":"2026-10-31T06:12:18Z","speaker_name":null},{"id":"seg_97337_95","meeting_id":"97337","media_asset_id":"med_97337_04be4c2674e62b41","agenda_item_id":null,"speaker_id":"spk_97337_council_member_2","speaker_confidence":0.85,"start_sec":1167.5,"end_sec":1173.4,"text":"So realistically, there's nothing we can do, I mean, other than continue to fine her.","topics_json":"[]","vector_id":"vec_seg_97337_95","created_at":"2026-10-31T06:12:18Z","speaker_name":null},{"id":"seg_97337_96","meeting_id":"97337","media_asset_id":"med_97337_04be4c2674e62b41","agenda_item_id":null,"speaker_id":"spk_97337_city_staff","speaker_confidence":0.8,"start_sec":1173.4,"end_sec":1174.3,"text":"Correct.","topics_json":"[]","vector_id":"vec_seg_97337_96","created_at":"2026-10-31T06:12:18Z","speaker_name":null},{"id":"seg_97337_97","meeting_id":"97337","media_asset_id":"med_97337_04be4c2674e62b41","agenda_item_id":null,"speaker_id":"spk_97337_council_member_2","speaker_confidence":0.85,"start_sec":1174.3,"end_sec":1177.1,"text":"And did she ever pay the $100 fine? No, so","topics_json":"[]","vector_id":"vec_seg_97337_97","created_at":"2026-10-31T06:12:18Z","speaker_name":null},{"id":"seg_97337_98","meeting_id":"97337","media_asset_id":"med_97337_04be4c2674e62b41","agenda_item_id":null,"speaker_id":"off_julia_m_pillsbury","speaker_confidence":0.95,"start_sec":1177.11,"end_sec":1198.41,"text":"So, I mean, it seems to me you have your hands tied. And especially if both vehicles are registered. Does the... do you... are you the only ones that ticket cars that are parked like that or does the city police department ticket them also?","topics_json":"[\"public_safety\"]","vector_id":"vec_seg_97337_98","created_at":"2026-10-31T06:12:18Z","speaker_name":"Julia M. Pillsbury"},{"id":"seg_97337_99","meeting_id":"97337","media_asset_id":"med_97337_04be4c2674e62b41","agenda_item_id":null,"speaker_id":"spk_97337_code_enforcement_officer","speaker_confidence":0.9,"start_sec":1198.41,"end_sec":1202.51,"text":"If it's on private property, it would be the responsibility of Code Enforcement to address.","topics_json":"[\"public_safety\"]","vector_id":"vec_seg_97337_99","created_at":"2026-10-31T06:12:18Z","speaker_name":null},{"id":"seg_97472_1","meeting_id":"97472","media_asset_id":"med_97472_bb29528f9d1d985b","agenda_item_id":null,"speaker_id":"spk_97472_chair","speaker_confidence":0.9,"start_sec":0,"end_sec":35.5,"text":"Welcome us this evening to the city of Dover, Delaware, Dover Human Relations Commission, Wednesday, January 21st, 2026 meeting. Our first 10 minutes we will have an open forum starting at this moment. We do have a open link for the public who might be virtual as well as we have some guests this evening. Do we have anybody in the public who wants to make some statements?","topics_json":"[]","vector_id":"vec_seg_97472_1","created_at":"2026-10-31T05:53:42Z","speaker_name":null},{"id":"seg_97472_10","meeting_id":"97472","media_asset_id":"med_97472_bb29528f9d1d985b","agenda_item_id":null,"speaker_id":"off_roy_sudler_jr","speaker_confidence":0.95,"start_sec":196.58,"end_sec":226.68,"text":"You have Mr. Faust, and you have myself, Dr. Mashue Sudler. Um you also have who is not with us, uh Bishop um Lott, Marion Lott, Paul Fleming, and Wanda Mullins. Those are the empty seats that you see. So, like you stated, the Human Relations Commission, the idea of the Commission was established during that time and because in a response to what you mentioned. Yes, that is true.","topics_json":"[]","vector_id":"vec_seg_97472_10","created_at":"2026-10-31T05:53:42Z","speaker_name":"Roy Sudler, Jr."},{"id":"seg_97472_100","meeting_id":"97472","media_asset_id":"med_97472_bb29528f9d1d985b","agenda_item_id":null,"speaker_id":"spk_97472_public_commenter","speaker_confidence":0.85,"start_sec":2354.94,"end_sec":2356.86,"text":"No, I I apologize. Can I speak?","topics_json":"[]","vector_id":"vec_seg_97472_100","created_at":"2026-10-31T05:53:42Z","speaker_name":null},{"id":"seg_97472_101","meeting_id":"97472","media_asset_id":"med_97472_bb29528f9d1d985b","agenda_item_id":null,"speaker_id":"off_brian_e_lewis","speaker_confidence":0.95,"start_sec":2356.93,"end_sec":2358.99,"text":"I just want the public to hear if they are listening in, that's all, ma'am.","topics_json":"[]","vector_id":"vec_seg_97472_101","created_at":"2026-10-31T05:53:42Z","speaker_name":"Brian E. Lewis"},{"id":"seg_97472_102","meeting_id":"97472","media_asset_id":"med_97472_bb29528f9d1d985b","agenda_item_id":null,"speaker_id":"spk_97472_unknown_speaker","speaker_confidence":0.7,"start_sec":2358.99,"end_sec":2360.86,"text":"is your speaking some good words.","topics_json":"[]","vector_id":"vec_seg_97472_102","created_at":"2026-10-31T05:53:42Z","speaker_name":null},{"id":"seg_97472_103","meeting_id":"97472","media_asset_id":"med_97472_bb29528f9d1d985b","agenda_item_id":null,"speaker_id":"spk_97472_faye_white","speaker_confidence":0.95,"start_sec":2360.86,"end_sec":2477.68,"text":"Um and even uh with the hanging in Silver Lake, I extended an invitation. When they couldn't meet here, when they were walking, when they were sitting, and they had undercover back there waiting to arrest. So we left from here, and I prepared a place for them to go. You had the say this is the second hanging. Okay. I advocated on that. So, I understood how you feel about Dover Human Relations. But Commissioner Sudler and I, we worked real hard. And the thing is we never gave up. You may not you may not see a lot of people that are advocating on your behalf, but there are people that are out there doing it. And so with that said, when you spoke about um what is that, Banneker St- Banneker, is my correct for that? With that, we're working we're working on that, too. And so we don't, and when you mentioned we we don't get paid. I'm 80 I'll be 84 July, and let me just say this here. Uh, we when you don't see us here, and you say you see a few and you're going to come and you're going to take over, where were you when I needed you? When I needed someone to watch my back. And let's work together. Therefore, every good beginning, it takes we- let's that's just get to work together. Start from this moment on to get together to work on behalf of togetherness. Together we stand and divided you fall. So give us an opportunity to be able to help. And I've seen Loockerman Street, all the businesses come and go, but you have a whole lot of activity in on there that we have created. We put our foot on our own soul, not no one else. So we need to-","topics_json":"[\"public_safety\",\"business\"]","vector_id":"vec_seg_97472_103","created_at":"2026-10-31T05:53:42Z","speaker_name":"Faye White"},{"id":"seg_97472_104","meeting_id":"97472","media_asset_id":"med_97472_bb29528f9d1d985b","agenda_item_id":null,"speaker_id":"off_andre_m_boggerty","speaker_confidence":0.95,"start_sec":2477.68,"end_sec":2528.31,"text":"Is is it Mr. Muhammad? So you um you was interested in in being a part of we have some open seats and and um I have your name. Do you want me to have some more information where we can reach out and and uh possibly get you up here if you want to be on here? Okay. Uh Miss White, um can we make sure uh we have his name, we we just probably need your address and a and a contact information.","topics_json":"[]","vector_id":"vec_seg_97472_104","created_at":"2026-10-31T05:53:42Z","speaker_name":"Andre M. Boggerty"},{"id":"seg_97472_105","meeting_id":"97472","media_asset_id":"med_97472_bb29528f9d1d985b","agenda_item_id":null,"speaker_id":"spk_97472_faye_white","speaker_confidence":0.95,"start_sec":2528.31,"end_sec":2530.08,"text":"Okay, thank you.","topics_json":"[]","vector_id":"vec_seg_97472_105","created_at":"2026-10-31T05:53:42Z","speaker_name":"Faye White"},{"id":"seg_97472_106","meeting_id":"97472","media_asset_id":"med_97472_bb29528f9d1d985b","agenda_item_id":null,"speaker_id":"off_andre_m_boggerty","speaker_confidence":0.95,"start_sec":2530.08,"end_sec":2555.57,"text":"So I will tell you the process. You can go online, um they have um a application for commissioners, for folks who want to for public who wants people who want to join um commissions, um um volunteer with departments and other city areas. You can go right on and fill out that app since we got your name and and you're adamant. You're adamant, you're persistent, and you and you have some backing, you're a coalition, and I think it would do well. Okay?","topics_json":"[]","vector_id":"vec_seg_97472_106","created_at":"2026-10-31T05:53:42Z","speaker_name":"Andre M. Boggerty"},{"id":"seg_97472_107","meeting_id":"97472","media_asset_id":"med_97472_bb29528f9d1d985b","agenda_item_id":null,"speaker_id":"spk_97472_commissioner","speaker_confidence":0.85,"start_sec":2555.57,"end_sec":2555.57,"text":"Can I piggyback off of Miss White and get other thing? The uh commissioners here, we've go to any place we're needed. I've gone to a couple things for uh playground questions or, you know, disputes. If there's a need in the public, it doesn't matter 2nd District or 3rd District or 1st District. If we're asked to be there, we come. You know, if we don't know about it, we can't come, but we try making a lot of things like-","topics_json":"[\"public_safety\"]","vector_id":"vec_seg_97472_107","created_at":"2026-10-31T05:53:42Z","speaker_name":null},{"id":"seg_97472_108","meeting_id":"97472","media_asset_id":"med_97472_bb29528f9d1d985b","agenda_item_id":null,"speaker_id":"spk_97472_alan_gaddis","speaker_confidence":0.9,"start_sec":2555.57,"end_sec":2628.67,"text":"We don't advertise it. We go out to the ACLU meetings. Dr. Travis and myself have gone to quite a few of them to hear what the public's saying. So we just just don't meet just once a month here. If we're asked to come, or there's something that's important, we go out to the public as needed, and we don't waste time. There's times that we've gone in there and we're giving up our own time for a couple hours. So we don't say we're going to be here only 15 minutes. We go out to the public, we stay there from the beginning to the end. And if we got to come out for a second or third meeting, we do the same thing. So if people in the Second District need us, because Travis and I are there, we're there. Dr. Travis, he's in oversees us. He participates. Commissioner Brinkley had a televised, I don't know the proper wording, for their constituents. I was involved in that to listen to hear. We help each other out. We come out to the community. But if we don't know there's a situation or a need, we can't be there. But if that you want us there, we'll try our best to get there.","topics_json":"[]","vector_id":"vec_seg_97472_108","created_at":"2026-10-31T05:53:42Z","speaker_name":"Alan Gaddis"},{"id":"seg_97472_109","meeting_id":"97472","media_asset_id":"med_97472_bb29528f9d1d985b","agenda_item_id":null,"speaker_id":"spk_97472_theodore_henderson","speaker_confidence":0.9,"start_sec":2629.17,"end_sec":2640.87,"text":"Um, for the, uh, for the finance update, there hasn't been any transactions. We haven't bought anything, have we?","topics_json":"[\"budget\"]","vector_id":"vec_seg_97472_109","created_at":"2026-10-31T05:53:42Z","speaker_name":"Theodore Henderson"},{"id":"seg_97472_11","meeting_id":"97472","media_asset_id":"med_97472_bb29528f9d1d985b","agenda_item_id":null,"speaker_id":"spk_97472_audience_member","speaker_confidence":0.8,"start_sec":226.68,"end_sec":227.98,"text":"Praise the Lord.","topics_json":"[]","vector_id":"vec_seg_97472_11","created_at":"2026-10-31T05:53:42Z","speaker_name":null},{"id":"seg_97472_110","meeting_id":"97472","media_asset_id":"med_97472_bb29528f9d1d985b","agenda_item_id":null,"speaker_id":"spk_97472_theodore_henderson","speaker_confidence":0.9,"start_sec":2642.77,"end_sec":2644.67,"text":"Miss Brinkley?","topics_json":"[]","vector_id":"vec_seg_97472_110","created_at":"2026-10-31T05:53:42Z","speaker_name":"Theodore Henderson"},{"id":"seg_97472_111","meeting_id":"97472","media_asset_id":"med_97472_bb29528f9d1d985b","agenda_item_id":null,"speaker_id":"spk_97472_rita_mishoe_brinkley","speaker_confidence":0.8,"start_sec":2645.37,"end_sec":2647.37,"text":"[inaudible]","topics_json":"[]","vector_id":"vec_seg_97472_111","created_at":"2026-10-31T05:53:42Z","speaker_name":"Rita Mishoe Brinkley"},{"id":"seg_97472_112","meeting_id":"97472","media_asset_id":"med_97472_bb29528f9d1d985b","agenda_item_id":null,"speaker_id":"spk_97472_theodore_henderson","speaker_confidence":0.9,"start_sec":2647.77,"end_sec":2648.97,"text":"Okay.","topics_json":"[]","vector_id":"vec_seg_97472_112","created_at":"2026-10-31T05:53:42Z","speaker_name":"Theodore Henderson"},{"id":"seg_97472_113","meeting_id":"97472","media_asset_id":"med_97472_bb29528f9d1d985b","agenda_item_id":null,"speaker_id":"spk_97472_theodore_henderson","speaker_confidence":0.9,"start_sec":2650.17,"end_sec":2656.37,"text":"So, um... Okay.","topics_json":"[]","vector_id":"vec_seg_97472_113","created_at":"2026-10-31T05:53:42Z","speaker_name":"Theodore Henderson"},{"id":"seg_97472_114","meeting_id":"97472","media_asset_id":"med_97472_bb29528f9d1d985b","agenda_item_id":null,"speaker_id":"spk_97472_theodore_henderson","speaker_confidence":0.9,"start_sec":2660.27,"end_sec":2734.07,"text":"So, um, other than that transaction, we haven't had any others. So you can, you know, that the amount was 3,000, just subtract the $25 and some change. However, um, I don't have any new business. Just make sure, uh, you look over that strategic plan. Make sure you look over the strategic plan. I had a I had a big concern in the strategic plan, um, where they say the Dover Code of Ordinances centralizes decision-making at the Commission level. So that's why I'm ready to say I have an issue with the ordinance, and it should not be passed. Not the way that it's written. That's That's my official stance. Okay? Um, you all do please review it and and send me, um, your corrections and things like that. We We're going to I want um I want to allow There was a young man, he had another question. I want to close out and and allow him to, um, you know, speak to us. Okay? I don't have any new business. Anybody have any anything old business?","topics_json":"[\"budget\"]","vector_id":"vec_seg_97472_114","created_at":"2026-10-31T05:53:42Z","speaker_name":"Theodore Henderson"},{"id":"seg_97472_115","meeting_id":"97472","media_asset_id":"med_97472_bb29528f9d1d985b","agenda_item_id":null,"speaker_id":"spk_97472_alan_gaddis","speaker_confidence":0.85,"start_sec":2734.37,"end_sec":2735.77,"text":"Nothing, no.","topics_json":"[]","vector_id":"vec_seg_97472_115","created_at":"2026-10-31T05:53:42Z","speaker_name":"Alan Gaddis"},{"id":"seg_97472_116","meeting_id":"97472","media_asset_id":"med_97472_bb29528f9d1d985b","agenda_item_id":null,"speaker_id":"spk_97472_theodore_henderson","speaker_confidence":0.9,"start_sec":2736.27,"end_sec":2738.07,"text":"Commissioner White, did you have anything?","topics_json":"[]","vector_id":"vec_seg_97472_116","created_at":"2026-10-31T05:53:42Z","speaker_name":"Theodore Henderson"},{"id":"seg_97472_117","meeting_id":"97472","media_asset_id":"med_97472_bb29528f9d1d985b","agenda_item_id":null,"speaker_id":"spk_97472_faye_white","speaker_confidence":0.9,"start_sec":2741.77,"end_sec":2752.15,"text":"Can we extend an invitation to the, um, Attorney General? I did speak on having her come in because with all the...","topics_json":"[]","vector_id":"vec_seg_97472_117","created_at":"2026-10-31T05:53:42Z","speaker_name":"Faye White"},{"id":"seg_97472_118","meeting_id":"97472","media_asset_id":"med_97472_bb29528f9d1d985b","agenda_item_id":null,"speaker_id":"spk_97472_female_committee_member","speaker_confidence":0.8,"start_sec":2752.15,"end_sec":2754.26,"text":"um issues and things that are going on law-fully?","topics_json":"[]","vector_id":"vec_seg_97472_118","created_at":"2026-10-31T05:53:42Z","speaker_name":null},{"id":"seg_97472_119","meeting_id":"97472","media_asset_id":"med_97472_bb29528f9d1d985b","agenda_item_id":null,"speaker_id":"spk_97472_male_committee_member","speaker_confidence":0.8,"start_sec":2754.7,"end_sec":2755.81,"text":"I think that'd be good.","topics_json":"[]","vector_id":"vec_seg_97472_119","created_at":"2026-10-31T05:53:42Z","speaker_name":null},{"id":"seg_97472_12","meeting_id":"97472","media_asset_id":"med_97472_bb29528f9d1d985b","agenda_item_id":null,"speaker_id":"off_roy_sudler_jr","speaker_confidence":0.95,"start_sec":227.98,"end_sec":393.16,"text":"Um the You mentioned the incident with Reginald Hannah uh and the murder, the murder of Reginald Hannah. And I understand that. Um at that time, when the Dover Human Relations Commission was um established, you had um Roy Sudler, uh who who is who is my brother. Uh you also had Miss Faye White, um and some others who advocated for this commission. Um they did a lot of outreaching uh to communities, and they did a lot of um activities with the constituents and the citizens in the community. Uh since then, I just came aboard uh in 2024. Um when we had COVID coming through, the Commission was disbanded at that time, so it was absence during that time. Before then, um you did have activity taking place um through the the Commissioners who were on at that time. Um but tonight, and I'm glad you're here, um because we are going to talk about the purpose and the direction that the Commission is going in and what we have been doing lately, okay? But I'm going to also I'm not going to um put aside what is out there in the public that's stating what the Commission does. I want to read to you. The establishment, purpose, powers, and duties of the City of Dover Dover Human Relations Commission, hereafter the Commission, are provided for in Part II of the Dover Delaware Code of Ordinances, Chapter 58, Human Relations, Article II, Human Relations Commission. Broadly representative of racial, religious, gender, and ethnic groups residing in Dover, the nine volunteer members of the Commission are all residents of the City of Dover. They're appointed by the President of the Dover City Council, based upon recommendations from and subject to confirmation by this council. Commission began its strategic plan process to define its strategy, focus, and direction for the years 2020 through 2023. So what I'm reading to you is a revised strategic plan. This has evolved into a revised strategic plan for the years 2020 20 through 2023. In developing this phase of the planning process, the Commission, based upon the first phase, has organized its objectives around the components of its mission, its component its its commitment to competency, transparency, public accountability,","topics_json":"[\"public_safety\"]","vector_id":"vec_seg_97472_12","created_at":"2026-10-31T05:53:42Z","speaker_name":"Roy Sudler, Jr."},{"id":"seg_97472_120","meeting_id":"97472","media_asset_id":"med_97472_bb29528f9d1d985b","agenda_item_id":null,"speaker_id":"spk_97472_male_committee_member","speaker_confidence":0.85,"start_sec":2756.56,"end_sec":2760.53,"text":"I think um you know you wouldn't be out of order to um invite her to come in.","topics_json":"[]","vector_id":"vec_seg_97472_120","created_at":"2026-10-31T05:53:42Z","speaker_name":null},{"id":"seg_97472_121","meeting_id":"97472","media_asset_id":"med_97472_bb29528f9d1d985b","agenda_item_id":null,"speaker_id":"spk_97472_male_committee_member","speaker_confidence":0.85,"start_sec":2760.53,"end_sec":2765.38,"text":"Yeah. They mentioned some things um that I would recommend the Attorney General hear as well. I did.","topics_json":"[]","vector_id":"vec_seg_97472_121","created_at":"2026-10-31T05:53:42Z","speaker_name":null},{"id":"seg_97472_122","meeting_id":"97472","media_asset_id":"med_97472_bb29528f9d1d985b","agenda_item_id":null,"speaker_id":"spk_97472_george_king","speaker_confidence":1,"start_sec":2765.56,"end_sec":2779.1,"text":"Good evening. My name is George King. I'm also a native of of Dover, Delaware. I'm familiar with Bridgette Johanna, you know, the murders out at Silver Lake. You know, I'm 64. I think I moved from one um I moved from uh Milford, Delaware to Dover in '69, I believe it was, you know. But anyway,","topics_json":"[\"public_safety\"]","vector_id":"vec_seg_97472_122","created_at":"2026-10-31T05:53:42Z","speaker_name":"George King"},{"id":"seg_97472_123","meeting_id":"97472","media_asset_id":"med_97472_bb29528f9d1d985b","agenda_item_id":null,"speaker_id":"spk_97472_george_king","speaker_confidence":0.95,"start_sec":2779.41,"end_sec":2830.45,"text":"um I heard the gentleman was saying that, you know, if there's uh meetings that um he know about uh he would attend if you know. Well anyway, I'm a part of the Dover Coalition up on uh 329 West Loockerman Street. We having another meeting um uh February 19th, 6:00 to you know usually an hour, but sometimes it extends over um to about 7:30. So I'm just saying anybody up here, if you're saying that you want to hear what the city has to say, you can um you're welcome to attend the meeting from 6:00 to 7:00, 7:30.","topics_json":"[\"public_safety\"]","vector_id":"vec_seg_97472_123","created_at":"2026-10-31T05:53:42Z","speaker_name":"George King"},{"id":"seg_97472_124","meeting_id":"97472","media_asset_id":"med_97472_bb29528f9d1d985b","agenda_item_id":null,"speaker_id":"spk_97472_female_committee_member","speaker_confidence":0.85,"start_sec":2830.63,"end_sec":2831.63,"text":"Where's the address or location?","topics_json":"[]","vector_id":"vec_seg_97472_124","created_at":"2026-10-31T05:53:42Z","speaker_name":null},{"id":"seg_97472_125","meeting_id":"97472","media_asset_id":"med_97472_bb29528f9d1d985b","agenda_item_id":null,"speaker_id":"spk_97472_george_king","speaker_confidence":0.95,"start_sec":2831.75,"end_sec":2835.04,"text":"329 West Loockerman Street right on the corner of Queen and Loockerman.","topics_json":"[]","vector_id":"vec_seg_97472_125","created_at":"2026-10-31T05:53:42Z","speaker_name":"George King"},{"id":"seg_97472_126","meeting_id":"97472","media_asset_id":"med_97472_bb29528f9d1d985b","agenda_item_id":null,"speaker_id":"spk_97472_female_committee_member","speaker_confidence":0.85,"start_sec":2835.23,"end_sec":2836.28,"text":"Is that the Al Noor shop?","topics_json":"[\"business\"]","vector_id":"vec_seg_97472_126","created_at":"2026-10-31T05:53:42Z","speaker_name":null},{"id":"seg_97472_127","meeting_id":"97472","media_asset_id":"med_97472_bb29528f9d1d985b","agenda_item_id":null,"speaker_id":"spk_97472_george_king","speaker_confidence":0.95,"start_sec":2836.47,"end_sec":2837.4,"text":"Yes, Al Noor 35.","topics_json":"[\"business\"]","vector_id":"vec_seg_97472_127","created_at":"2026-10-31T05:53:42Z","speaker_name":"George King"},{"id":"seg_97472_128","meeting_id":"97472","media_asset_id":"med_97472_bb29528f9d1d985b","agenda_item_id":null,"speaker_id":"spk_97472_female_committee_member","speaker_confidence":0.8,"start_sec":2837.4,"end_sec":2838.33,"text":"Where Jericho is?","topics_json":"[]","vector_id":"vec_seg_97472_128","created_at":"2026-10-31T05:53:42Z","speaker_name":null},{"id":"seg_97472_129","meeting_id":"97472","media_asset_id":"med_97472_bb29528f9d1d985b","agenda_item_id":null,"speaker_id":"spk_97472_female_committee_member","speaker_confidence":0.85,"start_sec":2839.2,"end_sec":2840.19,"text":"Where Al Noor?","topics_json":"[\"business\"]","vector_id":"vec_seg_97472_129","created_at":"2026-10-31T05:53:42Z","speaker_name":null},{"id":"seg_97472_13","meeting_id":"97472","media_asset_id":"med_97472_bb29528f9d1d985b","agenda_item_id":null,"speaker_id":"spk_97472_committee_member","speaker_confidence":0.9,"start_sec":393.16,"end_sec":589.74,"text":"and in accordance with the aforementioned ordinance. That's just what the introduction to the commission is, and what is out there for the public to see. So, the mission of the commission: The commission is committed to a philosophy of inclusion, intergroup cooperation, and fair treatment. It works to ensure that the city of Dover has and utilizes policies, programs, ordinances, organizational practices, specialized resources, and appropriately trained employees to support diversity, inclusion, and cultural competency. By involving all segments of the community, the commission promotes an understanding of and an appreciation of the benefits of diversity, inclusion, cultural competency, and positive intergroup relations among the city's diverse residents. It also advocates for an environment of fairness and respect. The commission works with the city council, the city administration, and community organizations to enhance intergroup relations, to eliminate discrimination, and to anticipate, prepare for, and resolve incidents of intergroup conflicts and disputes within the city. So, the vision, the commission's vision is a city whose government, organizations, groups, and individual citizens value diversity, inclusion, respect, and trust. So, let's talk about, without the paperwork, what the commission really does. Me just coming on here, the commission is a listening ear to the community and a body that is in touch with the city council. We are limited. When they make ordinances and policies, this commission is responsible to research the policy, ordinance, whatever they come up with, to make sure that it is fair, to make sure that if we see any discriminatory practices or policies that are made up through the city, that we bring it to the attention. When the city has meetings and the public is aware of the meetings and they listen to the city, for example, we have an ordinance that the city is is concerned about now. So, what the city, what the citizens of the city should do is come to the Human Relations, express their concern. We have dialogue so that we can express what the citizens are wishing instead of all of the citizens of City of Dover coming to City Council and then City Council listening for two, three hours, and then not being able to get any work done. So, the commission really needs to take on what the citizens' concerns are, which is why we have our open meetings, and we're glad you all have come so that we can have dialogue and see what the citizens' requests are for the city. 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That's all I have to say. God bless you.","topics_json":"[]","vector_id":"vec_seg_97472_135","created_at":"2026-10-31T05:53:42Z","speaker_name":"George King"},{"id":"seg_97472_136","meeting_id":"97472","media_asset_id":"med_97472_bb29528f9d1d985b","agenda_item_id":null,"speaker_id":"spk_97472_male_committee_member","speaker_confidence":0.85,"start_sec":2846.09,"end_sec":2849.26,"text":"Are you are y'all familiar with the um the NeighborGood Partner building?","topics_json":"[]","vector_id":"vec_seg_97472_136","created_at":"2026-10-31T05:53:42Z","speaker_name":null},{"id":"seg_97472_137","meeting_id":"97472","media_asset_id":"med_97472_bb29528f9d1d985b","agenda_item_id":null,"speaker_id":"spk_97472_george_king","speaker_confidence":0.8,"start_sec":2849.69,"end_sec":2876.52,"text":"Yes.","topics_json":"[]","vector_id":"vec_seg_97472_137","created_at":"2026-10-31T05:53:42Z","speaker_name":"George King"},{"id":"seg_97472_138","meeting_id":"97472","media_asset_id":"med_97472_bb29528f9d1d985b","agenda_item_id":null,"speaker_id":"spk_97472_male_committee_member","speaker_confidence":0.85,"start_sec":2876.95,"end_sec":2882.29,"text":"Do you all ever um plan to um have some communications with someone with the NeighborGood Partners?","topics_json":"[]","vector_id":"vec_seg_97472_138","created_at":"2026-10-31T05:53:42Z","speaker_name":null},{"id":"seg_97472_139","meeting_id":"97472","media_asset_id":"med_97472_bb29528f9d1d985b","agenda_item_id":null,"speaker_id":"spk_97472_george_king","speaker_confidence":0.95,"start_sec":2882.73,"end_sec":2902.66,"text":"I talked to brother Ken Anderson of the Downtown Dover Partnership who hooked me up with a pastor over there, but he's on vacation, I think last week, and I don't know if he's still on vacation. And I'm trying to get a small business loan to keep the business in existence, so he referred me to him at the NeighborGood uh watch with me uh business uh what they do over there. Plus I think Janet teaches business classes over there. Janet got the barber shop on Queen Street. So we're reaching out to them, yes.","topics_json":"[\"business\"]","vector_id":"vec_seg_97472_139","created_at":"2026-10-31T05:53:42Z","speaker_name":"George King"},{"id":"seg_97472_14","meeting_id":"97472","media_asset_id":"med_97472_bb29528f9d1d985b","agenda_item_id":null,"speaker_id":"spk_97472_committee_member","speaker_confidence":0.8,"start_sec":589.75,"end_sec":596.53,"text":"back to the citizens is fair. Now we have an ordinance to talk about tonight, which is Ordinance 2025-21.","topics_json":"[]","vector_id":"vec_seg_97472_14","created_at":"2026-10-31T05:53:42Z","speaker_name":null},{"id":"seg_97472_140","meeting_id":"97472","media_asset_id":"med_97472_bb29528f9d1d985b","agenda_item_id":null,"speaker_id":"spk_97472_male_committee_member","speaker_confidence":0.9,"start_sec":2903.4,"end_sec":2904.09,"text":"Okay.","topics_json":"[]","vector_id":"vec_seg_97472_140","created_at":"2026-10-31T05:53:42Z","speaker_name":null},{"id":"seg_97472_141","meeting_id":"97472","media_asset_id":"med_97472_bb29528f9d1d985b","agenda_item_id":null,"speaker_id":"spk_97472_george_king","speaker_confidence":0.95,"start_sec":2904.21,"end_sec":2944.76,"text":"Well we want y'all to come and give us support. As sister said, where was I at at the time? Probably was locked up, but I'm out here now. But you know we need backing. So we need y'all input as well as the coalition of Dover, cuz we trying to make this bigger than ourself. We trying to bring our vision mission statement is make our community a safe and decent place to live.","topics_json":"[\"public_safety\"]","vector_id":"vec_seg_97472_141","created_at":"2026-10-31T05:53:42Z","speaker_name":"George King"},{"id":"seg_97472_142","meeting_id":"97472","media_asset_id":"med_97472_bb29528f9d1d985b","agenda_item_id":null,"speaker_id":"spk_97472_male_committee_member","speaker_confidence":0.9,"start_sec":2945.19,"end_sec":2946.56,"text":"So we need to come to your meeting.","topics_json":"[]","vector_id":"vec_seg_97472_142","created_at":"2026-10-31T05:53:42Z","speaker_name":null},{"id":"seg_97472_143","meeting_id":"97472","media_asset_id":"med_97472_bb29528f9d1d985b","agenda_item_id":null,"speaker_id":"spk_97472_george_king","speaker_confidence":0.95,"start_sec":2946.87,"end_sec":2948.73,"text":"Yes, and give us input, support,","topics_json":"[]","vector_id":"vec_seg_97472_143","created_at":"2026-10-31T05:53:42Z","speaker_name":"George King"},{"id":"seg_97472_144","meeting_id":"97472","media_asset_id":"med_97472_bb29528f9d1d985b","agenda_item_id":null,"speaker_id":"spk_97472_public_commenter","speaker_confidence":0.85,"start_sec":2948.74,"end_sec":2956.84,"text":"...mentally, spiritually, physically, economically, where we can become one and move on one accord to change Dover, safe and decent place to live.","topics_json":"[\"public_safety\"]","vector_id":"vec_seg_97472_144","created_at":"2026-10-31T05:53:42Z","speaker_name":null},{"id":"seg_97472_145","meeting_id":"97472","media_asset_id":"med_97472_bb29528f9d1d985b","agenda_item_id":null,"speaker_id":"off_roy_sudler_jr","speaker_confidence":0.95,"start_sec":2956.84,"end_sec":2986.34,"text":"So, uh, think about this, something to think about. Um, we can't fundraise, right? Um, but I'm sure we can get together and utilize a resource that we already have. Maybe like a venue or something like that, to where we can have more, um, community awareness. Cuz that's what we're tasked. And I can't wait to get you up here.","topics_json":"[\"public_safety\"]","vector_id":"vec_seg_97472_145","created_at":"2026-10-31T05:53:42Z","speaker_name":"Roy Sudler, Jr."},{"id":"seg_97472_146","meeting_id":"97472","media_asset_id":"med_97472_bb29528f9d1d985b","agenda_item_id":null,"speaker_id":"spk_97472_public_commenter","speaker_confidence":0.85,"start_sec":2986.34,"end_sec":3060.14,"text":"Right. Okay. You got the sister Pastor, you know, Barlow that had the thing up Capital Green. And had we been united like this and trying to become united, that young brother would have never got killed like that so easily out there. We have to make our community safe and decent place to live. And protect our community, protect our elders, and protect the children. That's what we going to do is going forward. So we need you there, and I need to be up there. He need whoever we need, we here.","topics_json":"[\"public_safety\"]","vector_id":"vec_seg_97472_146","created_at":"2026-10-31T05:53:42Z","speaker_name":null},{"id":"seg_97472_147","meeting_id":"97472","media_asset_id":"med_97472_bb29528f9d1d985b","agenda_item_id":null,"speaker_id":"off_roy_sudler_jr","speaker_confidence":0.95,"start_sec":3060.14,"end_sec":3061.84,"text":"We need each other.","topics_json":"[]","vector_id":"vec_seg_97472_147","created_at":"2026-10-31T05:53:42Z","speaker_name":"Roy Sudler, Jr."},{"id":"seg_97472_148","meeting_id":"97472","media_asset_id":"med_97472_bb29528f9d1d985b","agenda_item_id":null,"speaker_id":"spk_97472_public_commenter","speaker_confidence":0.85,"start_sec":3061.84,"end_sec":3062.84,"text":"Yes, sir.","topics_json":"[]","vector_id":"vec_seg_97472_148","created_at":"2026-10-31T05:53:42Z","speaker_name":null},{"id":"seg_97472_149","meeting_id":"97472","media_asset_id":"med_97472_bb29528f9d1d985b","agenda_item_id":null,"speaker_id":"off_roy_sudler_jr","speaker_confidence":0.95,"start_sec":3062.84,"end_sec":3069.04,"text":"So, um, I think that I think we going to be doing some good work, uh, more sooner than later.","topics_json":"[]","vector_id":"vec_seg_97472_149","created_at":"2026-10-31T05:53:42Z","speaker_name":"Roy Sudler, Jr."},{"id":"seg_97472_15","meeting_id":"97472","media_asset_id":"med_97472_bb29528f9d1d985b","agenda_item_id":null,"speaker_id":"spk_97472_committee_member","speaker_confidence":0.8,"start_sec":597.03,"end_sec":607.76,"text":"We won't get to that and talk about that ordinance, however, going back to what we do. Just recently, I'm sure you've heard about the murders out of Barrister's Place, Cherry Hill, right?","topics_json":"[\"public_safety\"]","vector_id":"vec_seg_97472_15","created_at":"2026-10-31T05:53:42Z","speaker_name":null},{"id":"seg_97472_150","meeting_id":"97472","media_asset_id":"med_97472_bb29528f9d1d985b","agenda_item_id":null,"speaker_id":"spk_97472_public_commenter","speaker_confidence":0.85,"start_sec":3069.04,"end_sec":3069.94,"text":"Yes, sir.","topics_json":"[]","vector_id":"vec_seg_97472_150","created_at":"2026-10-31T05:53:42Z","speaker_name":null},{"id":"seg_97472_151","meeting_id":"97472","media_asset_id":"med_97472_bb29528f9d1d985b","agenda_item_id":null,"speaker_id":"off_roy_sudler_jr","speaker_confidence":0.95,"start_sec":3069.94,"end_sec":3084.94,"text":"And I remember your face. I'm younger than you, but you know what I'm saying. I remember. It's all good. We want to, um, can we make a motion to adjourn?","topics_json":"[]","vector_id":"vec_seg_97472_151","created_at":"2026-10-31T05:53:42Z","speaker_name":"Roy Sudler, Jr."},{"id":"seg_97472_152","meeting_id":"97472","media_asset_id":"med_97472_bb29528f9d1d985b","agenda_item_id":null,"speaker_id":"spk_97472_committee_member","speaker_confidence":0.8,"start_sec":3085.64,"end_sec":3087.84,"text":"I'll make that motion for adjournment.","topics_json":"[]","vector_id":"vec_seg_97472_152","created_at":"2026-10-31T05:53:42Z","speaker_name":null},{"id":"seg_97472_153","meeting_id":"97472","media_asset_id":"med_97472_bb29528f9d1d985b","agenda_item_id":null,"speaker_id":"spk_97472_wanda_brinkley","speaker_confidence":0.9,"start_sec":3088.24,"end_sec":3090.44,"text":"I second. Brinkley second.","topics_json":"[]","vector_id":"vec_seg_97472_153","created_at":"2026-10-31T05:53:42Z","speaker_name":"Wanda Brinkley"},{"id":"seg_97472_154","meeting_id":"97472","media_asset_id":"med_97472_bb29528f9d1d985b","agenda_item_id":null,"speaker_id":"off_roy_sudler_jr","speaker_confidence":0.95,"start_sec":3090.84,"end_sec":3102.04,"text":"It's been properly moved and second that we adjourn. 7:03. Any Any Any question on the motion? Question on the motion. Any question on the motion? 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The city came out, they took some action plans, put up some cameras, put up some lighting, um and and and did some more surveillancing, right?","topics_json":"[\"public_safety\"]","vector_id":"vec_seg_97472_16","created_at":"2026-10-31T05:53:42Z","speaker_name":null},{"id":"seg_97472_17","meeting_id":"97472","media_asset_id":"med_97472_bb29528f9d1d985b","agenda_item_id":null,"speaker_id":"spk_97472_committee_member","speaker_confidence":0.8,"start_sec":630.74,"end_sec":675.61,"text":"Citizens, we continue to have dialogue with the Barrister Place residencies residences, and I just talked to one today. She came and told me that they're glad that they had the cameras up, she saw the cameras and, and some things have calmed down a little bit. So what we do is we research, and we have to dialogue with the citizens. We have to talk with you all to make sure that you're being treated fairly, that the policies and the procedures that they're going by and the programs that they're making to put out here into the public is fair.","topics_json":"[\"public_safety\"]","vector_id":"vec_seg_97472_17","created_at":"2026-10-31T05:53:42Z","speaker_name":null},{"id":"seg_97472_18","meeting_id":"97472","media_asset_id":"med_97472_bb29528f9d1d985b","agenda_item_id":null,"speaker_id":"spk_97472_committee_member","speaker_confidence":0.8,"start_sec":676.13,"end_sec":692.01,"text":"Now, we also from, this commission has was created and and and devised based in the response from the murder of Mr. Hannah.","topics_json":"[\"public_safety\"]","vector_id":"vec_seg_97472_18","created_at":"2026-10-31T05:53:42Z","speaker_name":null},{"id":"seg_97472_19","meeting_id":"97472","media_asset_id":"med_97472_bb29528f9d1d985b","agenda_item_id":null,"speaker_id":"spk_97472_committee_member","speaker_confidence":0.8,"start_sec":692.48,"end_sec":719.03,"text":"And the things and the things that still happen in the city of Dover, they still have to be answered to and accounted for. We have wrongdoings that take place, we have unfair treatments that still take place, and and we can't just make up policies based off of our feelings. You see you understand what I mean? So what I'm saying is","topics_json":"[]","vector_id":"vec_seg_97472_19","created_at":"2026-10-31T05:53:42Z","speaker_name":null},{"id":"seg_97472_2","meeting_id":"97472","media_asset_id":"med_97472_bb29528f9d1d985b","agenda_item_id":null,"speaker_id":"spk_97472_omari_muhammad","speaker_confidence":0.95,"start_sec":36,"end_sec":38,"text":"That would be us. That's us.","topics_json":"[]","vector_id":"vec_seg_97472_2","created_at":"2026-10-31T05:53:42Z","speaker_name":"Omari Muhammad"},{"id":"seg_97472_20","meeting_id":"97472","media_asset_id":"med_97472_bb29528f9d1d985b","agenda_item_id":null,"speaker_id":"spk_97472_committee_member","speaker_confidence":0.8,"start_sec":720.98,"end_sec":738.17,"text":"if the city has to make ordinances and policies and procedures, then the citizens can come to the Dover Human Relations Commission meetings that we have and voice their opinion on these ordinances, and then we go advocate for the people to City Council.","topics_json":"[]","vector_id":"vec_seg_97472_20","created_at":"2026-10-31T05:53:42Z","speaker_name":null},{"id":"seg_97472_21","meeting_id":"97472","media_asset_id":"med_97472_bb29528f9d1d985b","agenda_item_id":null,"speaker_id":"spk_97472_committee_member","speaker_confidence":0.8,"start_sec":739.05,"end_sec":756.54,"text":"So, um we're missing some folks. Our City Council, um it's supposed to appoint some some other uh members for us. We're a little short, but we're supposed to be out in the community helping to ease tension amongst uh the city and its citizens. If things aren't fair, we're here to listen to it, not to run from it.","topics_json":"[]","vector_id":"vec_seg_97472_21","created_at":"2026-10-31T05:53:42Z","speaker_name":null},{"id":"seg_97472_22","meeting_id":"97472","media_asset_id":"med_97472_bb29528f9d1d985b","agenda_item_id":null,"speaker_id":"spk_97472_committee_member","speaker_confidence":0.8,"start_sec":756.85,"end_sec":773.97,"text":"We're here to help out, help bring resolution in a positive way, and that has to be a collective, which is the reason why I'm glad you're here, because I don't know all the answers and and I'm not the closest person to every situation.","topics_json":"[]","vector_id":"vec_seg_97472_22","created_at":"2026-10-31T05:53:42Z","speaker_name":null},{"id":"seg_97472_23","meeting_id":"97472","media_asset_id":"med_97472_bb29528f9d1d985b","agenda_item_id":null,"speaker_id":"spk_97472_public_commenter","speaker_confidence":0.75,"start_sec":774.32,"end_sec":786.33,"text":"Now, I mean you really you really, and probably all y'all, confirm that situation. Situation is that the Human Relations was based upon Reggie Hannah murder while uh James Hutchison was the mayor. While James Hutchi-","topics_json":"[\"public_safety\"]","vector_id":"vec_seg_97472_23","created_at":"2026-10-31T05:53:42Z","speaker_name":null},{"id":"seg_97472_24","meeting_id":"97472","media_asset_id":"med_97472_bb29528f9d1d985b","agenda_item_id":null,"speaker_id":"spk_97472_chunk5_speaker_1","speaker_confidence":0.9,"start_sec":786.33,"end_sec":803.93,"text":"...at that time, see, and the mayor is the boss of the city of the police. So you could say about Banes Place or Cherry Hill. However, that was more of gang-related crime committed when they killed Guzman.","topics_json":"[\"public_safety\"]","vector_id":"vec_seg_97472_24","created_at":"2026-10-31T05:53:42Z","speaker_name":null},{"id":"seg_97472_25","meeting_id":"97472","media_asset_id":"med_97472_bb29528f9d1d985b","agenda_item_id":null,"speaker_id":"spk_97472_chunk5_speaker_1","speaker_confidence":0.9,"start_sec":803.93,"end_sec":820.93,"text":"And you can go out there, you can put cameras, but they got cameras right down here at Irish Mike's, and that's only a block away from City Hall that stuff is not being done. They will post that on Facebook, people black people fighting each other till they tired because no police will come. So you can put cameras anywhere,","topics_json":"[\"public_safety\"]","vector_id":"vec_seg_97472_25","created_at":"2026-10-31T05:53:42Z","speaker_name":null},{"id":"seg_97472_26","meeting_id":"97472","media_asset_id":"med_97472_bb29528f9d1d985b","agenda_item_id":null,"speaker_id":"spk_97472_chunk5_speaker_1","speaker_confidence":0.9,"start_sec":820.93,"end_sec":837.13,"text":"but this is based upon the actions of the police and how they conduct their self when it comes to a citizen, how they handcuff you, and you got marks on your arm because the handcuff is too tight, or they'll assault you.","topics_json":"[\"public_safety\"]","vector_id":"vec_seg_97472_26","created_at":"2026-10-31T05:53:42Z","speaker_name":null},{"id":"seg_97472_27","meeting_id":"97472","media_asset_id":"med_97472_bb29528f9d1d985b","agenda_item_id":null,"speaker_id":"spk_97472_chunk5_speaker_1","speaker_confidence":0.9,"start_sec":837.13,"end_sec":853.13,"text":"In my incident, a couple months ago when the officer pulled me over by Dunkin' Donuts, he told me to throw my keys out the car. What? I thought I was in LA somewhere. This is not that type of city.","topics_json":"[\"public_safety\"]","vector_id":"vec_seg_97472_27","created_at":"2026-10-31T05:53:42Z","speaker_name":null},{"id":"seg_97472_28","meeting_id":"97472","media_asset_id":"med_97472_bb29528f9d1d985b","agenda_item_id":null,"speaker_id":"spk_97472_chunk5_speaker_1","speaker_confidence":0.9,"start_sec":853.13,"end_sec":872.13,"text":"But I gently laid them on the ground. And I filed a citizen complaint, and of course, the Internal Affairs said that the officer didn't do nothing wrong. But I have never heard of a officer say, 'Throw your keys out the car' for a traffic stop.","topics_json":"[\"public_safety\"]","vector_id":"vec_seg_97472_28","created_at":"2026-10-31T05:53:42Z","speaker_name":null},{"id":"seg_97472_29","meeting_id":"97472","media_asset_id":"med_97472_bb29528f9d1d985b","agenda_item_id":null,"speaker_id":"spk_97472_chunk5_speaker_1","speaker_confidence":0.9,"start_sec":872.13,"end_sec":893.13,"text":"So we're dealing with Reggie Hannah and the murder of Reggie Hannah, and how that impact need to be addressed when it comes to police brutality, police misconduct. So when you say once again about Cherry Hill and cameras, they got cameras, they'll shoot you right in front of a camera.","topics_json":"[\"public_safety\"]","vector_id":"vec_seg_97472_29","created_at":"2026-10-31T05:53:42Z","speaker_name":null},{"id":"seg_97472_3","meeting_id":"97472","media_asset_id":"med_97472_bb29528f9d1d985b","agenda_item_id":null,"speaker_id":"spk_97472_chair","speaker_confidence":0.9,"start_sec":39,"end_sec":43,"text":"Yes sir. I believe we have the Coalition of Dover?","topics_json":"[]","vector_id":"vec_seg_97472_3","created_at":"2026-10-31T05:53:42Z","speaker_name":null},{"id":"seg_97472_30","meeting_id":"97472","media_asset_id":"med_97472_bb29528f9d1d985b","agenda_item_id":null,"speaker_id":"spk_97472_chunk5_speaker_1","speaker_confidence":0.9,"start_sec":893.13,"end_sec":913.13,"text":"I don't know what y'all doing for the community. I ain't see nobody out there in the community. I got a store right down there on 329 West Loockerman Street. I'm in the community, and the Coalition of Dover is in the community doing something, but I haven't seen the Human Relations in no community trying to reach the people to converse with them. That's why you don't have nobody here.","topics_json":"[\"public_safety\",\"business\"]","vector_id":"vec_seg_97472_30","created_at":"2026-10-31T05:53:42Z","speaker_name":null},{"id":"seg_97472_31","meeting_id":"97472","media_asset_id":"med_97472_bb29528f9d1d985b","agenda_item_id":null,"speaker_id":"spk_97472_chunk5_speaker_1","speaker_confidence":0.9,"start_sec":913.13,"end_sec":935.53,"text":"You got to be out there in the community because things are happening to the people in the community by the police officers. Now, when the police chief was here when I came here a couple weeks ago for the City Hall, the mayor and them was here, and the one sister said her son was murdered at Guinness Pub,","topics_json":"[\"public_safety\"]","vector_id":"vec_seg_97472_31","created_at":"2026-10-31T05:53:42Z","speaker_name":null},{"id":"seg_97472_32","meeting_id":"97472","media_asset_id":"med_97472_bb29528f9d1d985b","agenda_item_id":null,"speaker_id":"spk_97472_chunk5_speaker_1","speaker_confidence":0.9,"start_sec":935.53,"end_sec":952.53,"text":"and she keep coming down here and she going to continue to keep coming down here on a complaint because they know who murdered him, and they know one of them is supposed to be in jail with a gun charge, this is what she's saying at the podium, and there's nothing being done.","topics_json":"[\"public_safety\"]","vector_id":"vec_seg_97472_32","created_at":"2026-10-31T05:53:42Z","speaker_name":null},{"id":"seg_97472_33","meeting_id":"97472","media_asset_id":"med_97472_bb29528f9d1d985b","agenda_item_id":null,"speaker_id":"spk_97472_chunk5_speaker_1","speaker_confidence":0.9,"start_sec":952.53,"end_sec":967.53,"text":"Then you got another brother that I know and grew up with, I'm born and raised in Dover, Delaware. Claude Tolson's son got murdered out there by Woodcrest on the west side of Dover, and that no arrests in that. So I'm trying to figure out what is it that","topics_json":"[\"public_safety\"]","vector_id":"vec_seg_97472_33","created_at":"2026-10-31T05:53:42Z","speaker_name":null},{"id":"seg_97472_34","meeting_id":"97472","media_asset_id":"med_97472_bb29528f9d1d985b","agenda_item_id":null,"speaker_id":"spk_97472_chunk5_speaker_1","speaker_confidence":0.9,"start_sec":967.53,"end_sec":982.91,"text":"Now this is more black-on-black crime. Is it black-on-black crime that y'all do, or is it police misconduct on the citizens of Dover? Because right here it got like so much stuff. It don't really have a agenda where it","topics_json":"[\"public_safety\"]","vector_id":"vec_seg_97472_34","created_at":"2026-10-31T05:53:42Z","speaker_name":null},{"id":"seg_97472_35","meeting_id":"97472","media_asset_id":"med_97472_bb29528f9d1d985b","agenda_item_id":null,"speaker_id":"spk_97472_public_commenter","speaker_confidence":0.95,"start_sec":982.91,"end_sec":1179.49,"text":"did, cuz you said it was revised, of course. Why would you revise something for its aim and its purpose and then reach out to city councilmen, which I don't see them out in the community neither. I don't see Brother Roy Sudler. I don't see Donyale Hall. I don't see Boggerty. I don't see Anderson. None of them out there. So even if you reach back to them, it's going to be a watered-down version of what I'm hearing from y'all, from you right now. The agenda need to be focused on, and I want to become a part of this because I need to, that's somebody I grew up with, Reggie Handy. So I can get out there and make sure the police ain't killing everybody or anybody, let alone Black people, when they want to kill. I'll get out there and do something about it. I'm not going to sit here, I only I never seen you before in my life and I'm born and raised in Dover. But now I know you're related to Brother Roy Sudler, Dr. Roy Sudler. I ain't never seen Reverend Lockett, he over there on New Street, but he don't get out much no more neither. I know he was a correctional officer. I don't see none of these people. And that's what we going to do as the Dover Coalition, we going to change all of this. Because people that's not in the capacity and have power and authority that's not doing their job, we want y'all out of those situations. The purpose is you killed Reggie Handy, none of them officers was arrested. Are you going to reopen that? Then we got, we got still brothers that was hung out there in Silver Lake. Dave Clark and all of them. We need to know is the prosecutor going to get in there and open that? One brother said the dude that so-called hung Brother Dave and somebody else out there got arrested for another charge in another state. We're trying to reopen that, so you if that's true through investigations, that we need to bring him on charges of hanging Black people out there in Silver Lake and throwing them in the water. These issues here is superficial when you come to dealing with community programs, school programs, and bylaws finance. That's not what this, how this got started. And I'm disturbed by it, but I'm tell guarantee you, by the will and power of God, I'mma rectify it through the people that's going to support me to rectify it, cuz I'm here to stand up for Reggie Handy, Dave Clark, all them brothers that got killed out there in Silver Lake by them white boys that said they was KKK or whatever it was. That's the focus y'all need to be focused on, cuz if not, we going to want y'all out the way while we split the Red Sea so we can walk on dry land like Moses did. So if y'all want to get this stuff together, cuz I'mma be here. Every meeting that y'all here, I'm going to be here. I'm going to get the coalition to be here. We're not going to be shucking and jiving, coming here, I don't know if y'all get paid for being up here or whatever, we're not going to do that. We're not going to scratch where we don't itch. We're not going to laugh if the joke ain't funny. We're not going to bend, we're not going to bow. We going to get justice for Reggie Handy. Since then, his mom done passed. Since then, his sister done passed. No justice. So now I got to stand in their place to get justice for Reggie Handy, when them cops um probably went on with their career, became whatever, mayor, city council, wherever they at. Same way with that white boy that killed them brothers out there. Everybody's going on with their life. Stick to the gen-","topics_json":"[\"public_safety\"]","vector_id":"vec_seg_97472_35","created_at":"2026-10-31T05:53:42Z","speaker_name":null},{"id":"seg_97472_36","meeting_id":"97472","media_asset_id":"med_97472_bb29528f9d1d985b","agenda_item_id":null,"speaker_id":"spk_97472_public_commenter","speaker_confidence":0.85,"start_sec":1179.49,"end_sec":1202.39,"text":"agenda and stick to the plan of the birth of human relations. If it's for Reggie Hannah and for disrespect of the police and the murder of police how they treat black people in the hood or any citizen in Dover in the hood, then stick to that. If it's not, get out the way, put somebody up there that's going to stick to the agenda because it's still the same situation around here.","topics_json":"[\"public_safety\"]","vector_id":"vec_seg_97472_36","created_at":"2026-10-31T05:53:42Z","speaker_name":null},{"id":"seg_97472_37","meeting_id":"97472","media_asset_id":"med_97472_bb29528f9d1d985b","agenda_item_id":null,"speaker_id":"spk_97472_public_commenter","speaker_confidence":0.85,"start_sec":1202.79,"end_sec":1228.19,"text":"Whether we agree with it or not, cameras don't do jack. Irish Mike's, they fight all day. And no and I asked the mayor, I asked the police chief, why y'all can't be down there between 12:00 and 1:00 to deter black on black violence. Ain't no white people down there fighting and shooting and killing each other. It's black people. So maybe the human relations can do something in that capacity to stop that down there.","topics_json":"[\"public_safety\"]","vector_id":"vec_seg_97472_37","created_at":"2026-10-31T05:53:42Z","speaker_name":null},{"id":"seg_97472_38","meeting_id":"97472","media_asset_id":"med_97472_bb29528f9d1d985b","agenda_item_id":null,"speaker_id":"spk_97472_public_commenter","speaker_confidence":0.85,"start_sec":1228.29,"end_sec":1244.99,"text":"If you can't, once again, I guarantee you we coming after you, your position, and your reputation, whatever that is, and we going we want y'all out the way because you're in the way for freedom, justice, and equality, and liberty for the people in the city of Dover. That's all I got to say.","topics_json":"[\"public_safety\"]","vector_id":"vec_seg_97472_38","created_at":"2026-10-31T05:53:42Z","speaker_name":null},{"id":"seg_97472_39","meeting_id":"97472","media_asset_id":"med_97472_bb29528f9d1d985b","agenda_item_id":null,"speaker_id":"spk_97472_committee_member","speaker_confidence":0.8,"start_sec":1245.19,"end_sec":1247.29,"text":"Can I answer some of his questions?","topics_json":"[]","vector_id":"vec_seg_97472_39","created_at":"2026-10-31T05:53:42Z","speaker_name":null},{"id":"seg_97472_4","meeting_id":"97472","media_asset_id":"med_97472_bb29528f9d1d985b","agenda_item_id":null,"speaker_id":"spk_97472_omari_muhammad","speaker_confidence":0.95,"start_sec":43.5,"end_sec":44.5,"text":"That's right.","topics_json":"[]","vector_id":"vec_seg_97472_4","created_at":"2026-10-31T05:53:42Z","speaker_name":"Omari Muhammad"},{"id":"seg_97472_40","meeting_id":"97472","media_asset_id":"med_97472_bb29528f9d1d985b","agenda_item_id":null,"speaker_id":"spk_97472_committee_chair","speaker_confidence":0.85,"start_sec":1247.59,"end_sec":1253.99,"text":"Thank you. Thank you for your comments. We will move on with our agenda now. Okay, we are now we need adoption of the agenda.","topics_json":"[]","vector_id":"vec_seg_97472_40","created_at":"2026-10-31T05:53:42Z","speaker_name":null},{"id":"seg_97472_41","meeting_id":"97472","media_asset_id":"med_97472_bb29528f9d1d985b","agenda_item_id":null,"speaker_id":"spk_97472_paul_faust","speaker_confidence":0.85,"start_sec":1254.79,"end_sec":1257.89,"text":"I'll make the motion to accept the agenda as written.","topics_json":"[]","vector_id":"vec_seg_97472_41","created_at":"2026-10-31T05:53:42Z","speaker_name":"Paul Faust"},{"id":"seg_97472_42","meeting_id":"97472","media_asset_id":"med_97472_bb29528f9d1d985b","agenda_item_id":null,"speaker_id":"spk_97472_committee_member","speaker_confidence":0.8,"start_sec":1258.19,"end_sec":1259.69,"text":"Frankly second.","topics_json":"[]","vector_id":"vec_seg_97472_42","created_at":"2026-10-31T05:53:42Z","speaker_name":null},{"id":"seg_97472_43","meeting_id":"97472","media_asset_id":"med_97472_bb29528f9d1d985b","agenda_item_id":null,"speaker_id":"spk_97472_committee_chair","speaker_confidence":0.85,"start_sec":1259.89,"end_sec":1271.29,"text":"It's been properly moved and seconded that we accept the agenda as written. Um, any questions on the motion? Any questions on the motion? Any questions on the motion? No questions on the motion. 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Motion carried. Okay, so when it comes to our assessment, um last meeting we I gave the assessment uh layout format. Um hopefully you had a chance to look at it. And our mission and our vision that should be inputted into the uh into that assessment. We will have to make sure that it is the correct one. So, um as we go over, I did give you the strategic plan, the bylaws. Um they're also online. Please be sure to review those fully in its entirety, uh and send your corrections if you need to. Um if not, just send your approval, okay? Remember, just send your corrections or approval on the mission and the vision, the mission and the vision, okay?","topics_json":"[]","vector_id":"vec_seg_97472_47","created_at":"2026-10-31T05:53:42Z","speaker_name":null},{"id":"seg_97472_48","meeting_id":"97472","media_asset_id":"med_97472_bb29528f9d1d985b","agenda_item_id":null,"speaker_id":"spk_97472_paul_faust","speaker_confidence":0.85,"start_sec":1331.49,"end_sec":1333.29,"text":"When do you need that by?","topics_json":"[]","vector_id":"vec_seg_97472_48","created_at":"2026-10-31T05:53:42Z","speaker_name":"Paul Faust"},{"id":"seg_97472_49","meeting_id":"97472","media_asset_id":"med_97472_bb29528f9d1d985b","agenda_item_id":null,"speaker_id":"spk_97472_committee_chair","speaker_confidence":0.85,"start_sec":1333.69,"end_sec":1335.29,"text":"Before we meet next.","topics_json":"[]","vector_id":"vec_seg_97472_49","created_at":"2026-10-31T05:53:42Z","speaker_name":null},{"id":"seg_97472_5","meeting_id":"97472","media_asset_id":"med_97472_bb29528f9d1d985b","agenda_item_id":null,"speaker_id":"spk_97472_chair","speaker_confidence":0.9,"start_sec":44.8,"end_sec":46.5,"text":"Just state your name and-","topics_json":"[]","vector_id":"vec_seg_97472_5","created_at":"2026-10-31T05:53:42Z","speaker_name":null},{"id":"seg_97472_50","meeting_id":"97472","media_asset_id":"med_97472_bb29528f9d1d985b","agenda_item_id":null,"speaker_id":"spk_97472_paul_faust","speaker_confidence":0.85,"start_sec":1335.49,"end_sec":1336.69,"text":"Okay. Thank you.","topics_json":"[]","vector_id":"vec_seg_97472_50","created_at":"2026-10-31T05:53:42Z","speaker_name":"Paul Faust"},{"id":"seg_97472_51","meeting_id":"97472","media_asset_id":"med_97472_bb29528f9d1d985b","agenda_item_id":null,"speaker_id":"spk_97472_committee_chair","speaker_confidence":0.85,"start_sec":1336.79,"end_sec":1341.99,"text":"So, thank you. Um our community programs, Mr. Faust, do you have an update?","topics_json":"[]","vector_id":"vec_seg_97472_51","created_at":"2026-10-31T05:53:42Z","speaker_name":null},{"id":"seg_97472_52","meeting_id":"97472","media_asset_id":"med_97472_bb29528f9d1d985b","agenda_item_id":null,"speaker_id":"spk_97472_paul_faust","speaker_confidence":0.9,"start_sec":1342.19,"end_sec":1376.07,"text":"The only thing I have to report is I did reach out to United Way to get more 2-1-1 cards. Uh it was hard to get ahold of them through the holiday season, so I finally got ahold of the supervisor. She's supposed to be mailing me out the cards that have one side in English, one side in Spanish. So once I get them, I will email everyone so we can divvy them up. And uh if we have any leftover, we can give them to City Council if they need some. And the director said she appreciates us uh from the United Way uh asking for the cards, so if we need any more additional cards to","topics_json":"[]","vector_id":"vec_seg_97472_52","created_at":"2026-10-31T05:53:42Z","speaker_name":"Paul Faust"},{"id":"seg_97472_53","meeting_id":"97472","media_asset_id":"med_97472_bb29528f9d1d985b","agenda_item_id":null,"speaker_id":"spk_97472_chunk8_speaker_1","speaker_confidence":0.8,"start_sec":1376.08,"end_sec":1391.73,"text":"to, uh, reach out for them. And I think we discussed the last meeting that, you correct me if I'm wrong, we already discussed that we cannot do any fundraising because of the, uh, city con- because the attorney said it was a conflict of interest. So, uh, that's where we stand right now.","topics_json":"[\"budget\"]","vector_id":"vec_seg_97472_53","created_at":"2026-10-31T05:53:42Z","speaker_name":null},{"id":"seg_97472_54","meeting_id":"97472","media_asset_id":"med_97472_bb29528f9d1d985b","agenda_item_id":null,"speaker_id":"spk_97472_chunk8_speaker_2","speaker_confidence":0.8,"start_sec":1391.73,"end_sec":1522.12,"text":"Okay. Um, also for those who are interested, um, Councilman Sudler has been speaking with a couple of business owners, um, in the, on the Forest Avenue, uh, Forest Avenue and Salisbury Road intersection. Um, there will be having, um, a project going on, um, that will address, uh, some of the, um, some of the constituents who are in the middle of the road, in the median, uh, with the panhandling. Uh, I believe it is Councilman Sudler and Councilman Lewis who will be initiating, uh, some of those activities that will be taking place. They will be sending us, uh, schedule time, uh, for us to be involved with so that we can, um, make sure that we are there to help them. Now, this activity will involve, um, I believe some of the mental health crisis units from the, the Division of Health and Social Services. Uh, they'll be assisting as well. So it will be, I believe, about four hours of activity, of some research and, and, uh, going on at that particular intersection. Um, I will send you more details, information on the details. Um, also, just recently, um, we had our, we had a first, um, we initiated some time with, um, Commissioner Brinkley's district, where we, uh, set out and we talked a little bit about, uh, some of the ordinance and some of the things that are taking place in the city of Dover, uh, getting ready to make some plans for some particular activities, uh, to take place with the mental health and, um, some other things that this city is trying to bring here to address, uh, the homelessness and things like that. So, uh, we will be involved with that activity as well. They will be sending us, uh, some of the, um, detailed plans, and I will get make sure that you all get it as well from the city clerk's office. All right? Mr. Lott, do you have anything, um, regarding our school programs?","topics_json":"[\"homelessness\",\"public_safety\",\"business\"]","vector_id":"vec_seg_97472_54","created_at":"2026-10-31T05:53:42Z","speaker_name":null},{"id":"seg_97472_55","meeting_id":"97472","media_asset_id":"med_97472_bb29528f9d1d985b","agenda_item_id":null,"speaker_id":"spk_97472_mr_lott","speaker_confidence":0.8,"start_sec":1522.12,"end_sec":1539.68,"text":"Not at this time regarding the school program activity...","topics_json":"[]","vector_id":"vec_seg_97472_55","created_at":"2026-10-31T05:53:42Z","speaker_name":"Mr. Lott"},{"id":"seg_97472_56","meeting_id":"97472","media_asset_id":"med_97472_bb29528f9d1d985b","agenda_item_id":null,"speaker_id":"spk_97472_chunk8_speaker_2","speaker_confidence":0.8,"start_sec":1539.68,"end_sec":1572.66,"text":"Um, so of course, um, I'm not sure if you know, um, Chaundra Jackson, she's the Capital School District, uh, school board president, I believe. So she's the school board president, and, um, there's going to be some involvement with, um, I believe, um, um, the Opioid Task Force that has been, uh, created with the city of Dover. They have a, a particular, uh, I believe the Opioid Task Force that they've devised,","topics_json":"[\"public_safety\"]","vector_id":"vec_seg_97472_56","created_at":"2026-10-31T05:53:42Z","speaker_name":null},{"id":"seg_97472_57","meeting_id":"97472","media_asset_id":"med_97472_bb29528f9d1d985b","agenda_item_id":null,"speaker_id":"spk_97472_committee_member_1","speaker_confidence":0.9,"start_sec":1572.66,"end_sec":1586.31,"text":"And there's going to be some things taking place with the school. We've been asked to be a part of the dialogue with the Capital School District being involved with the city and bringing the services.","topics_json":"[]","vector_id":"vec_seg_97472_57","created_at":"2026-10-31T05:53:42Z","speaker_name":null},{"id":"seg_97472_58","meeting_id":"97472","media_asset_id":"med_97472_bb29528f9d1d985b","agenda_item_id":null,"speaker_id":"spk_97472_committee_member_1","speaker_confidence":0.9,"start_sec":1586.31,"end_sec":1594.6,"text":"Of course you know, we have a big foster care population, and it attends the Capital School District schools. They age out at 18.","topics_json":"[]","vector_id":"vec_seg_97472_58","created_at":"2026-10-31T05:53:42Z","speaker_name":null},{"id":"seg_97472_59","meeting_id":"97472","media_asset_id":"med_97472_bb29528f9d1d985b","agenda_item_id":null,"speaker_id":"spk_97472_committee_member_1","speaker_confidence":0.9,"start_sec":1594.6,"end_sec":1605.73,"text":"Now, when they age out at 18, they have an opportunity to go to school at Delaware State University for— I'll say for free, but really it's not for free, it's on the backs of the citizens and taxpayers.","topics_json":"[\"taxes\"]","vector_id":"vec_seg_97472_59","created_at":"2026-10-31T05:53:42Z","speaker_name":null},{"id":"seg_97472_6","meeting_id":"97472","media_asset_id":"med_97472_bb29528f9d1d985b","agenda_item_id":null,"speaker_id":"spk_97472_omari_muhammad","speaker_confidence":0.95,"start_sec":46.6,"end_sec":184.8,"text":"Omari Muhammad, in name of God, the beneficent, the merciful. First and foremost, I'm trying to get a comprehensive understanding of the human relations. And when I say that, I'm saying, I believe it might have been 2001, 2002, it's been a long time, when Reggie Hanna got killed by the police—I mean, murdered by the police. And out of that, I believe the Human Relations was birthed to my knowledge. So I'm looking at the agenda, I don't see nothing necessarily coincide with the incident that took place based upon Reggie Hanna. So I'm trying to find out who is Ms. Mullen, who is Ms. Brinkley, and Dr. Mishoe-Sudler for one. Then I looked on the back of the agenda, community programs. Again, Mr. Fauss, Mr. Fleming, Dr. Mishoe-Sudler, school program, bylaws, finance. Now, I could be wrong, this might not be the right human relations if it was not given birth through the murder of Reggie Hanna through police officers who never was charged. They never was charged for this. If this is where this program has come, then it might not be the right program, or I could, once again, I might be in the wrong place. So I'm trying to figure out and understand the Dover Human Relations Commission: what is its purpose and its aim and its goal, and what was it based upon? And how can we help to make it a better situation? Cuz I don't see school programs dealing with somebody murder. I don't see community programs, unless it's dealing with education of how to deal with cops that kill you. I don't understand that, and I don't understand the finance. So hopefully y'all can enlighten me the aim and purpose of here. And I definitely don't see nobody back here but a few of us that we came here, so it seems like it's not even an important situation, or it have not been structured to draw people to the aim and purpose of human relations.","topics_json":"[\"public_safety\"]","vector_id":"vec_seg_97472_6","created_at":"2026-10-31T05:53:42Z","speaker_name":"Omari Muhammad"},{"id":"seg_97472_60","meeting_id":"97472","media_asset_id":"med_97472_bb29528f9d1d985b","agenda_item_id":null,"speaker_id":"spk_97472_committee_member_1","speaker_confidence":0.9,"start_sec":1605.73,"end_sec":1611.57,"text":"However, they are allowed to stay there all year round and, you know, be able to receive education.","topics_json":"[]","vector_id":"vec_seg_97472_60","created_at":"2026-10-31T05:53:42Z","speaker_name":null},{"id":"seg_97472_61","meeting_id":"97472","media_asset_id":"med_97472_bb29528f9d1d985b","agenda_item_id":null,"speaker_id":"spk_97472_committee_member_1","speaker_confidence":0.9,"start_sec":1611.57,"end_sec":1641.26,"text":"Now, when they graduate, they're on their own. If they graduate. Sometimes we have the foster care students have issues that they take with them to the institution, and sometimes it prohibits them from being able to learn.","topics_json":"[]","vector_id":"vec_seg_97472_61","created_at":"2026-10-31T05:53:42Z","speaker_name":null},{"id":"seg_97472_62","meeting_id":"97472","media_asset_id":"med_97472_bb29528f9d1d985b","agenda_item_id":null,"speaker_id":"spk_97472_committee_member_1","speaker_confidence":0.9,"start_sec":1641.26,"end_sec":1649.08,"text":"So you're looking at a possible situation where students, when they age out at 18, coming out of high school and they have nowhere to go, will they be homeless? Is a question.","topics_json":"[\"homelessness\",\"housing\"]","vector_id":"vec_seg_97472_62","created_at":"2026-10-31T05:53:42Z","speaker_name":null},{"id":"seg_97472_63","meeting_id":"97472","media_asset_id":"med_97472_bb29528f9d1d985b","agenda_item_id":null,"speaker_id":"spk_97472_committee_member_1","speaker_confidence":0.9,"start_sec":1649.08,"end_sec":1660.35,"text":"How long will they have in a shelter? Is a question. You see You understand? So, our strategic plan says we are to work with organizations and other institutions","topics_json":"[\"homelessness\"]","vector_id":"vec_seg_97472_63","created_at":"2026-10-31T05:53:42Z","speaker_name":null},{"id":"seg_97472_64","meeting_id":"97472","media_asset_id":"med_97472_bb29528f9d1d985b","agenda_item_id":null,"speaker_id":"spk_97472_committee_member_1","speaker_confidence":0.9,"start_sec":1660.35,"end_sec":1671.15,"text":"and community organizations to ensure the the fairness, the good health, and, you know, better humanity for our citizens.","topics_json":"[]","vector_id":"vec_seg_97472_64","created_at":"2026-10-31T05:53:42Z","speaker_name":null},{"id":"seg_97472_65","meeting_id":"97472","media_asset_id":"med_97472_bb29528f9d1d985b","agenda_item_id":null,"speaker_id":"spk_97472_committee_member_1","speaker_confidence":0.9,"start_sec":1671.15,"end_sec":1708.86,"text":"So that's why I was saying, that's why I had passed out the bylaws and the strategic plan, and was like, you know, we need to really look and make sure that we're operating according to what they have put out here for us to do, okay? So, I know it's a lot, and I do plan to to actually try and talk with City Council to to get a hold of, you know, exactly","topics_json":"[]","vector_id":"vec_seg_97472_65","created_at":"2026-10-31T05:53:42Z","speaker_name":null},{"id":"seg_97472_66","meeting_id":"97472","media_asset_id":"med_97472_bb29528f9d1d985b","agenda_item_id":null,"speaker_id":"spk_97472_committee_member_1","speaker_confidence":0.9,"start_sec":1708.86,"end_sec":1724.17,"text":"all of these things they put here, because they task us to do a lot, but they don't have we don't have all the bodies. We're not able to operate in full capacity.","topics_json":"[]","vector_id":"vec_seg_97472_66","created_at":"2026-10-31T05:53:42Z","speaker_name":null},{"id":"seg_97472_67","meeting_id":"97472","media_asset_id":"med_97472_bb29528f9d1d985b","agenda_item_id":null,"speaker_id":"spk_97472_committee_member_1","speaker_confidence":0.9,"start_sec":1724.17,"end_sec":1729.61,"text":"So some districts don't get what other districts get, and here we go with fairness. You see there?","topics_json":"[]","vector_id":"vec_seg_97472_67","created_at":"2026-10-31T05:53:42Z","speaker_name":null},{"id":"seg_97472_68","meeting_id":"97472","media_asset_id":"med_97472_bb29528f9d1d985b","agenda_item_id":null,"speaker_id":"spk_97472_committee_member_1","speaker_confidence":0.9,"start_sec":1729.61,"end_sec":1741.27,"text":"So, I know the 4th District is is is at capacity. The 2nd District is at capacity, but our our 3rd and our our 1st District,","topics_json":"[]","vector_id":"vec_seg_97472_68","created_at":"2026-10-31T05:53:42Z","speaker_name":null},{"id":"seg_97472_69","meeting_id":"97472","media_asset_id":"med_97472_bb29528f9d1d985b","agenda_item_id":null,"speaker_id":"spk_97472_committee_member_1","speaker_confidence":0.9,"start_sec":1741.27,"end_sec":1751.21,"text":"sometimes it gets a little it gets a little shaky, and we're missing some folks, and we need an at-large person. So we're supposed to have nine.","topics_json":"[]","vector_id":"vec_seg_97472_69","created_at":"2026-10-31T05:53:42Z","speaker_name":null},{"id":"seg_97472_7","meeting_id":"97472","media_asset_id":"med_97472_bb29528f9d1d985b","agenda_item_id":null,"speaker_id":"spk_97472_chair","speaker_confidence":0.9,"start_sec":184.9,"end_sec":186,"text":"Thank you for your comment.","topics_json":"[]","vector_id":"vec_seg_97472_7","created_at":"2026-10-31T05:53:42Z","speaker_name":null},{"id":"seg_97472_70","meeting_id":"97472","media_asset_id":"med_97472_bb29528f9d1d985b","agenda_item_id":null,"speaker_id":"spk_97472_committee_member_1","speaker_confidence":0.9,"start_sec":1751.21,"end_sec":1754.66,"text":"We you see what I mean? We're supposed to have nine, and right now we're sitting with five, okay?","topics_json":"[]","vector_id":"vec_seg_97472_70","created_at":"2026-10-31T05:53:42Z","speaker_name":null},{"id":"seg_97472_71","meeting_id":"97472","media_asset_id":"med_97472_bb29528f9d1d985b","agenda_item_id":null,"speaker_id":"spk_97472_committee_member_2","speaker_confidence":0.85,"start_sec":1754.66,"end_sec":1759.17,"text":"Of course, how many commissioner are part of that task force?","topics_json":"[]","vector_id":"vec_seg_97472_71","created_at":"2026-10-31T05:53:42Z","speaker_name":null},{"id":"seg_97472_72","meeting_id":"97472","media_asset_id":"med_97472_bb29528f9d1d985b","agenda_item_id":null,"speaker_id":"spk_97472_committee_member_1","speaker_confidence":0.9,"start_sec":1759.17,"end_sec":1769.24,"text":"None that I'm that I'm aware of. See, these are the these are the things I have to","topics_json":"[]","vector_id":"vec_seg_97472_72","created_at":"2026-10-31T05:53:42Z","speaker_name":null},{"id":"seg_97472_73","meeting_id":"97472","media_asset_id":"med_97472_bb29528f9d1d985b","agenda_item_id":null,"speaker_id":"spk_97472_committee_chair","speaker_confidence":0.9,"start_sec":1769.24,"end_sec":1784.84,"text":"bring to City Council. And and I'm and we're supposed to have a council person here right now, and our liaison is is uh Donyale Hall. And for some reason, um, you know, we just haven't been able to either get her here or or communicate with her.","topics_json":"[]","vector_id":"vec_seg_97472_73","created_at":"2026-10-31T05:53:42Z","speaker_name":null},{"id":"seg_97472_74","meeting_id":"97472","media_asset_id":"med_97472_bb29528f9d1d985b","agenda_item_id":null,"speaker_id":"spk_97472_committee_member","speaker_confidence":0.9,"start_sec":1784.84,"end_sec":1800.74,"text":"Okay, I would like to be a a part of that task force. Uh, I did foster care for 20 years. I'm I'm familiar with uh everything that you just made mention of, and so I would like to be a part of of that task force.","topics_json":"[]","vector_id":"vec_seg_97472_74","created_at":"2026-10-31T05:53:42Z","speaker_name":null},{"id":"seg_97472_75","meeting_id":"97472","media_asset_id":"med_97472_bb29528f9d1d985b","agenda_item_id":null,"speaker_id":"spk_97472_committee_chair","speaker_confidence":0.9,"start_sec":1800.74,"end_sec":1807.84,"text":"Okay. I'll definitely I'll I'll make mention, and and see if we can make sure you get on there. Okay.","topics_json":"[]","vector_id":"vec_seg_97472_75","created_at":"2026-10-31T05:53:42Z","speaker_name":null},{"id":"seg_97472_76","meeting_id":"97472","media_asset_id":"med_97472_bb29528f9d1d985b","agenda_item_id":null,"speaker_id":"spk_97472_committee_chair","speaker_confidence":0.9,"start_sec":1807.84,"end_sec":1829.14,"text":"Also, it says um, the City of Dover's code of ordinances. The The ordinance starts with the commission. So, they made this ordinance 2025-21, have you all read it? Are you familiar with it? Do you have a copy? Right? Do you have a copy?","topics_json":"[]","vector_id":"vec_seg_97472_76","created_at":"2026-10-31T05:53:42Z","speaker_name":null},{"id":"seg_97472_77","meeting_id":"97472","media_asset_id":"med_97472_bb29528f9d1d985b","agenda_item_id":null,"speaker_id":"spk_97472_committee_chair","speaker_confidence":0.9,"start_sec":1873.24,"end_sec":1888.04,"text":"This came from District 1, ordinance 2025-20 21. If this is what you gave, this is the summary. So, um, can we pull the Can we pull a copy of that ordinance up? Commissioner Brinkley, you want to read your summary?","topics_json":"[]","vector_id":"vec_seg_97472_77","created_at":"2026-10-31T05:53:42Z","speaker_name":null},{"id":"seg_97472_78","meeting_id":"97472","media_asset_id":"med_97472_bb29528f9d1d985b","agenda_item_id":null,"speaker_id":"spk_97472_wanda_brinkley","speaker_confidence":0.95,"start_sec":1888.04,"end_sec":1953.14,"text":"Thank you. So, the summary of the meeting that I had on January 14th: the meeting focused on addressing the concerns in Dover, particularly regarding pedestrian behavior and median usage, with discussions centered on potential solutions like installing fences, exploring state-funded options. The group explored various approaches to address homelessness and economic challenges in the city, including community outreach efforts, coalition building, and potential expansion of services and resources. The conversation ended with discussions about funding distributions, particularly regarding opioid-related funds, and the importance of forming partnerships and coalitions to address ongoing social and economic challenges in Dover. Um, I will add that we had individuals from the ACLU, which was Ms. Mack; um community members, uh some from um House Not Housing Alliance Delaware, but uh a few not-for-profit individuals uh at the meeting. And it was also uh Mr. Councilman Rocha that was there. The meeting was great. We had some great ideas that came from it. Um, and I'm looking forward to pulling more individuals into you know, trying to address the ordinance uh","topics_json":"[\"homelessness\",\"public_safety\"]","vector_id":"vec_seg_97472_78","created_at":"2026-10-31T05:53:42Z","speaker_name":"Wanda Brinkley"},{"id":"seg_97472_79","meeting_id":"97472","media_asset_id":"med_97472_bb29528f9d1d985b","agenda_item_id":null,"speaker_id":"spk_97472_wanda_brinkley","speaker_confidence":0.95,"start_sec":1953.14,"end_sec":1965.82,"text":"because, as a lot of people noted, most of the issues that District 1 is having is at the corner of Forest Avenue, Forest Street, and Salisbury Road. Um, there are safety concerns there, and even after the meeting, discussions had been had uh with constituents who state that, you know, they're for the ordinance. It's just the wording in the ordinance that's a violation of uh individuals' First Amendment rights.","topics_json":"[\"public_safety\"]","vector_id":"vec_seg_97472_79","created_at":"2026-10-31T05:53:42Z","speaker_name":"Wanda Brinkley"},{"id":"seg_97472_8","meeting_id":"97472","media_asset_id":"med_97472_bb29528f9d1d985b","agenda_item_id":null,"speaker_id":"spk_97472_omari_muhammad","speaker_confidence":0.95,"start_sec":186,"end_sec":186.8,"text":"Uh-huh.","topics_json":"[]","vector_id":"vec_seg_97472_8","created_at":"2026-10-31T05:53:42Z","speaker_name":"Omari Muhammad"},{"id":"seg_97472_80","meeting_id":"97472","media_asset_id":"med_97472_bb29528f9d1d985b","agenda_item_id":null,"speaker_id":"spk_97472_committee_chair","speaker_confidence":0.9,"start_sec":1965.82,"end_sec":1965.82,"text":"So, um if you can you zoom that zoom in a little bit? The ordinance is Now, if you haven't had a copy of this ordinance, I advise you to have a copy of the ordinance so you can um really look at it","topics_json":"[]","vector_id":"vec_seg_97472_80","created_at":"2026-10-31T05:53:42Z","speaker_name":null},{"id":"seg_97472_81","meeting_id":"97472","media_asset_id":"med_97472_bb29528f9d1d985b","agenda_item_id":null,"speaker_id":"spk_97472_committee_member","speaker_confidence":0.8,"start_sec":1965.82,"end_sec":2018.82,"text":"review it because there's some verbiage in here that I think needs to be changed. And the Commission is tasked to, um, we do have to make a stand, a comment on how if it's fair or not. And which is the reason why we've been, and we were asking for you all as well to talk to, uh, citizens to see how they feel and how we can rewrite this ordinance because I don't think it's a good one. That's my personal opinion. I cannot speak for the whole. If they ask me to make a comment, uh uh, for the Commission, I cannot do that because we have not, this is our first time meeting regarding this ordinance. And you know, it's I'm fine with officially saying that I don't agree with it as is written right now.","topics_json":"[]","vector_id":"vec_seg_97472_81","created_at":"2026-10-31T05:53:42Z","speaker_name":null},{"id":"seg_97472_82","meeting_id":"97472","media_asset_id":"med_97472_bb29528f9d1d985b","agenda_item_id":null,"speaker_id":"spk_97472_committee_member","speaker_confidence":0.7,"start_sec":2018.82,"end_sec":2020.52,"text":"I second that.","topics_json":"[]","vector_id":"vec_seg_97472_82","created_at":"2026-10-31T05:53:42Z","speaker_name":null},{"id":"seg_97472_83","meeting_id":"97472","media_asset_id":"med_97472_bb29528f9d1d985b","agenda_item_id":null,"speaker_id":"spk_97472_committee_member","speaker_confidence":0.8,"start_sec":2020.52,"end_sec":2081.62,"text":"So, um, you know, I have some choice words for Council. Um, hopefully we can get some get our liaison in here, and, um, we can be able to, um, communicate the way that they ask us to. If not, you know, I can make my visits. That's not a problem, okay? Miss White, your district will be next. You and Commissioner Faust. Um, and you're prepared for the Luther Towers conference room?","topics_json":"[]","vector_id":"vec_seg_97472_83","created_at":"2026-10-31T05:53:42Z","speaker_name":null},{"id":"seg_97472_84","meeting_id":"97472","media_asset_id":"med_97472_bb29528f9d1d985b","agenda_item_id":null,"speaker_id":"spk_97472_faye_white","speaker_confidence":0.8,"start_sec":2092.32,"end_sec":2094.32,"text":"Luther Towers, yes.","topics_json":"[]","vector_id":"vec_seg_97472_84","created_at":"2026-10-31T05:53:42Z","speaker_name":"Faye White"},{"id":"seg_97472_85","meeting_id":"97472","media_asset_id":"med_97472_bb29528f9d1d985b","agenda_item_id":null,"speaker_id":"spk_97472_committee_member","speaker_confidence":0.8,"start_sec":2094.32,"end_sec":2098.82,"text":"Like we like we usually do it.","topics_json":"[]","vector_id":"vec_seg_97472_85","created_at":"2026-10-31T05:53:42Z","speaker_name":null},{"id":"seg_97472_86","meeting_id":"97472","media_asset_id":"med_97472_bb29528f9d1d985b","agenda_item_id":null,"speaker_id":"spk_97472_public_commenter","speaker_confidence":0.7,"start_sec":2100.82,"end_sec":2162.4,"text":"Wait a minute. That's an issue. When you can't meet here, uh, in the chambers here, I welcome you all so we can at least communicate and listen and Oh, damn. I'm tired. I just listened to the young man that came up, and it's very helpful hurtful to have to to Can I can I speak?","topics_json":"[]","vector_id":"vec_seg_97472_86","created_at":"2026-10-31T05:53:42Z","speaker_name":null},{"id":"seg_97472_87","meeting_id":"97472","media_asset_id":"med_97472_bb29528f9d1d985b","agenda_item_id":null,"speaker_id":"spk_97472_committee_member","speaker_confidence":0.8,"start_sec":2162.4,"end_sec":2162.4,"text":"Mhm.","topics_json":"[]","vector_id":"vec_seg_97472_87","created_at":"2026-10-31T05:53:42Z","speaker_name":null},{"id":"seg_97472_88","meeting_id":"97472","media_asset_id":"med_97472_bb29528f9d1d985b","agenda_item_id":null,"speaker_id":"spk_97472_public_commenter","speaker_confidence":0.8,"start_sec":2162.4,"end_sec":2162.4,"text":"And going back when he spoke about Reggie Hamilton, I just came here, and then we uh we had the young two young men in Silver Lake that were hung. Why is it that we we talk about solutions and solving, but we don't hear? I hear very clearly what the young man was saying, and each event that he spoke about, I was there. So a lot of times when people are participating in the community, you can't see nor do you know people that have your back. And I've been here, and I've walked Loockerman Street. I've walked Kirkwood Street. I remember, if the young man, I think it was a shoe store there on the corner of Loockerman and New Street if I'm not mistaken. I went there in the community, not being fearful and afraid because they're my people. And I asked them, \"Who do they want? I'm here to listen.\" And I wasn't fearful or afraid because first of all, a lot of people there only want you to listen at what they're what what they what they what they're going through. You can't continue to","topics_json":"[\"public_safety\"]","vector_id":"vec_seg_97472_88","created_at":"2026-10-31T05:53:42Z","speaker_name":null},{"id":"seg_97472_89","meeting_id":"97472","media_asset_id":"med_97472_bb29528f9d1d985b","agenda_item_id":null,"speaker_id":"spk_97472_public_commenter","speaker_confidence":0.85,"start_sec":2162.41,"end_sec":2186.99,"text":"put a Band-Aid on a open wound. And with that said, I was working in the midnight hour, my son and I used to ride up and down the road during the domestic violence and the crime. And we helped a lot of people and I mention, I heard a young man when he said Hutchinson. When Hutchinson was the police department was a police chief, if I'm not mistaken, and also the mayor. You had I've watched them come and go the 20-some-odd years that I've been here, and like the young man said, nothing has been done. You can't keep on talking and saying to people,","topics_json":"[\"public_safety\"]","vector_id":"vec_seg_97472_89","created_at":"2026-10-31T05:53:42Z","speaker_name":null},{"id":"seg_97472_9","meeting_id":"97472","media_asset_id":"med_97472_bb29528f9d1d985b","agenda_item_id":null,"speaker_id":"spk_97472_chair","speaker_confidence":0.9,"start_sec":187,"end_sec":196.58,"text":"Let me start with the members of the Dover Human Relations Commission. The ones who are present, you have Ms. White, you have Ms. Brinkley,","topics_json":"[]","vector_id":"vec_seg_97472_9","created_at":"2026-10-31T05:53:42Z","speaker_name":null},{"id":"seg_97472_90","meeting_id":"97472","media_asset_id":"med_97472_bb29528f9d1d985b","agenda_item_id":null,"speaker_id":"spk_97472_public_commenter","speaker_confidence":0.85,"start_sec":2187.2,"end_sec":2273.52,"text":"but they are our people. They are our children, so we have to be held accountable also for what goes on the geographic area in which we live in, block by block, community by community. We can sit and we can talk and say what we're going to do this and do that, but listen at what they're saying and what they I I just ask, \"What do you want me to do?\" And they'll talk to you, but you have to be willing to listen. And I uh, you know, being advocated on behalf of domestic violence, community, crime. I've seen it. I've walked and lived in some of the areas in Philadelphia, North, South, East, and West, in some of the tough neighborhoods, and all anyone want to do is for you to listen at them. And and I think once we get to the point going in the community and asking them, \"What do you want?\" you have to It's just like a child. You're raising a child. You can't always give orders to a child without listening what they what they have to say also. Dover can be cleaned up, lock by block, if you'll stop allowing the activities to come and accept it. Like on Loockerman Street you have that what uh what uh what do you call y'all young people call that drug uh You you buy you get you get you get you get your drugs and stuff. What is it?","topics_json":"[\"public_safety\",\"community\"]","vector_id":"vec_seg_97472_90","created_at":"2026-10-31T05:53:42Z","speaker_name":null},{"id":"seg_97472_91","meeting_id":"97472","media_asset_id":"med_97472_bb29528f9d1d985b","agenda_item_id":null,"speaker_id":"spk_97472_audience_member","speaker_confidence":0.7,"start_sec":2273.95,"end_sec":2275.37,"text":"Toussaint? 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So how can you have that on Loockerman Street and then it's surrounding areas. You're going to tell you're going to lock them up. You want to approve of them to purchase the marijuana. Big businesses are coming in getting the grant money, a lot of vacant buildings. They've tore down so many houses down in that area of where David and Sudler is at. It's almost like a I don't know. Thank you for listening.","topics_json":"[\"business\",\"housing\"]","vector_id":"vec_seg_97472_94","created_at":"2026-10-31T05:53:42Z","speaker_name":null},{"id":"seg_97472_95","meeting_id":"97472","media_asset_id":"med_97472_bb29528f9d1d985b","agenda_item_id":null,"speaker_id":"spk_97472_public_commenter","speaker_confidence":0.85,"start_sec":2329.08,"end_sec":2340.94,"text":"Well see, let me let me just say if if it's okay. Let me just say the 25-some years I've been here when you spoke to Reggie, okay? You remember when they had the attorney that came who had lost his life? You remember? So you for you you know we're just not going back and forth, but for you to say that no one was doing anything,","topics_json":"[\"public_safety\"]","vector_id":"vec_seg_97472_95","created_at":"2026-10-31T05:53:42Z","speaker_name":null},{"id":"seg_97472_96","meeting_id":"97472","media_asset_id":"med_97472_bb29528f9d1d985b","agenda_item_id":null,"speaker_id":"spk_97472_public_commenter","speaker_confidence":0.85,"start_sec":2341.02,"end_sec":2348.4,"text":"while a lot of people were sleeping, I was helping walking","topics_json":"[\"public_safety\"]","vector_id":"vec_seg_97472_96","created_at":"2026-10-31T05:53:42Z","speaker_name":null},{"id":"seg_97472_97","meeting_id":"97472","media_asset_id":"med_97472_bb29528f9d1d985b","agenda_item_id":null,"speaker_id":"off_brian_e_lewis","speaker_confidence":0.95,"start_sec":2348.55,"end_sec":2351.25,"text":"Excuse me, ma'am, can you use the microphone so people can hear if they're listening from from","topics_json":"[]","vector_id":"vec_seg_97472_97","created_at":"2026-10-31T05:53:42Z","speaker_name":"Brian E. 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Yep. All right, thank you.","topics_json":"[]","vector_id":"vec_seg_97623_110","created_at":"2026-10-31T06:31:07Z","speaker_name":"Mr. Combs"},{"id":"seg_97623_111","meeting_id":"97623","media_asset_id":"med_97623_3c3ecfee159fe299","agenda_item_id":null,"speaker_id":"spk_97623_board_member","speaker_confidence":0.8,"start_sec":854.27,"end_sec":855.97,"text":"Are we on item number 1?","topics_json":"[]","vector_id":"vec_seg_97623_111","created_at":"2026-10-31T06:31:07Z","speaker_name":null},{"id":"seg_97623_112","meeting_id":"97623","media_asset_id":"med_97623_3c3ecfee159fe299","agenda_item_id":null,"speaker_id":"spk_97623_eddie_kopp","speaker_confidence":0.9,"start_sec":856.2,"end_sec":867.1,"text":"Yeah. 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Is that what they're doing?","topics_json":"[\"housing\"]","vector_id":"vec_seg_97623_126","created_at":"2026-10-31T06:31:07Z","speaker_name":"Mr. Smith"},{"id":"seg_97623_127","meeting_id":"97623","media_asset_id":"med_97623_3c3ecfee159fe299","agenda_item_id":null,"speaker_id":"spk_97623_eddie_kopp","speaker_confidence":0.9,"start_sec":919.5,"end_sec":920.8,"text":"Yeah, that was it. Nah, that's just chilling.","topics_json":"[\"housing\"]","vector_id":"vec_seg_97623_127","created_at":"2026-10-31T06:31:07Z","speaker_name":"Eddie Kopp"},{"id":"seg_97623_128","meeting_id":"97623","media_asset_id":"med_97623_3c3ecfee159fe299","agenda_item_id":null,"speaker_id":"spk_97623_mr_smith","speaker_confidence":0.85,"start_sec":920.8,"end_sec":923.6,"text":"I'm saying, but it's it's leaned next to a basketball hoop, what I thought.","topics_json":"[\"housing\"]","vector_id":"vec_seg_97623_128","created_at":"2026-10-31T06:31:07Z","speaker_name":"Mr. Smith"},{"id":"seg_97623_129","meeting_id":"97623","media_asset_id":"med_97623_3c3ecfee159fe299","agenda_item_id":null,"speaker_id":"spk_97623_eddie_kopp","speaker_confidence":0.9,"start_sec":923.6,"end_sec":929,"text":"It was at one point. And then when I sent him the first notice, he tucked it in there like tried to and then...","topics_json":"[\"housing\"]","vector_id":"vec_seg_97623_129","created_at":"2026-10-31T06:31:07Z","speaker_name":"Eddie Kopp"},{"id":"seg_97623_13","meeting_id":"97623","media_asset_id":"med_97623_3c3ecfee159fe299","agenda_item_id":null,"speaker_id":"spk_97623_chair","speaker_confidence":0.95,"start_sec":47,"end_sec":123.6,"text":"Aye. With that said, the motion carries. Um, so again, right now we're going to be hearing the property maintenance code violation, 2009 International Property Maintenance Code, Chapter 3, General Requirements, 302.1 Sanitation, appeal of violation, 510 Carroll... Robert... Um, what I typically do is to ask the, uh, code enforcement to present the case and then ask you to respond. Thank you. 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I'll load it like going back and forth to work, I'll find something and I'll throw it in the back of my truck.","topics_json":"[]","vector_id":"vec_seg_97623_41","created_at":"2026-10-31T06:31:06Z","speaker_name":null},{"id":"seg_97623_42","meeting_id":"97623","media_asset_id":"med_97623_3c3ecfee159fe299","agenda_item_id":null,"speaker_id":"spk_97623_board_member_1","speaker_confidence":0.85,"start_sec":332.57,"end_sec":335.77,"text":"So you have to build a load basically? Totally, it's got If they pay by weight, right?","topics_json":"[]","vector_id":"vec_seg_97623_42","created_at":"2026-10-31T06:31:06Z","speaker_name":null},{"id":"seg_97623_43","meeting_id":"97623","media_asset_id":"med_97623_3c3ecfee159fe299","agenda_item_id":null,"speaker_id":"spk_97623_appellant","speaker_confidence":0.9,"start_sec":335.87,"end_sec":344.37,"text":"Right. I took that load there, and it was $34. 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But it happens again, it's not going to be $11, because we pay them $11 each, and for the hearing, we pay them a lot more, can. For it. And I get 85 cents an hour and I had to travel all the way from home to here for that. 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This this case, this appeal is uh over. Thank you.","topics_json":"[]","vector_id":"vec_seg_97623_97","created_at":"2026-10-31T06:31:07Z","speaker_name":null},{"id":"seg_97623_98","meeting_id":"97623","media_asset_id":"med_97623_3c3ecfee159fe299","agenda_item_id":null,"speaker_id":"spk_97623_mr_combs","speaker_confidence":0.85,"start_sec":816.67,"end_sec":821.27,"text":"Thank you. And happy collecting. I got a lot of stuff getting ready to come in my address. 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Um Much of the general fund, mostly the general fund is made up of of uh taxes, particularly property taxes. Our tax rate's been relatively relatively consistent for the last","topics_json":"[\"taxes\",\"budget\"]","vector_id":"vec_seg_97710_10","created_at":"2026-10-31T05:42:18Z","speaker_name":"Dave Hugg"},{"id":"seg_97710_100","meeting_id":"97710","media_asset_id":"med_97710_a0b6d813968b0577","agenda_item_id":null,"speaker_id":"spk_97710_paul_waddell","speaker_confidence":0.9,"start_sec":2752.49,"end_sec":2766.05,"text":"with the way it's been the past couple of years, but I got $333 per megawatt, and I got to balance that against keeping the system up and running, implementing new technology and replacing aging equipment. And it's it's a it's a challenging task.","topics_json":"[\"budget\"]","vector_id":"vec_seg_97710_100","created_at":"2026-10-31T05:42:18Z","speaker_name":"Paul Waddell"},{"id":"seg_97710_101","meeting_id":"97710","media_asset_id":"med_97710_a0b6d813968b0577","agenda_item_id":null,"speaker_id":"off_tricia_k_arndt","speaker_confidence":0.95,"start_sec":2766.05,"end_sec":2768.81,"text":"Thank you for that, that answer, and look forward to seeing that ordinance.","topics_json":"[]","vector_id":"vec_seg_97710_101","created_at":"2026-10-31T05:42:18Z","speaker_name":"Tricia K. Arndt"},{"id":"seg_97710_102","meeting_id":"97710","media_asset_id":"med_97710_a0b6d813968b0577","agenda_item_id":null,"speaker_id":"spk_97710_paul_waddell","speaker_confidence":0.9,"start_sec":2768.81,"end_sec":2769.38,"text":"Yes, ma'am.","topics_json":"[]","vector_id":"vec_seg_97710_102","created_at":"2026-10-31T05:42:18Z","speaker_name":"Paul Waddell"},{"id":"seg_97710_103","meeting_id":"97710","media_asset_id":"med_97710_a0b6d813968b0577","agenda_item_id":null,"speaker_id":"off_david_l_anderson","speaker_confidence":0.9,"start_sec":2769.38,"end_sec":2773.54,"text":"Paul, you want to touch quickly on the status of VanSant right now, unless—","topics_json":"[]","vector_id":"vec_seg_97710_103","created_at":"2026-10-31T05:42:18Z","speaker_name":"David L. Anderson"},{"id":"seg_97710_104","meeting_id":"97710","media_asset_id":"med_97710_a0b6d813968b0577","agenda_item_id":null,"speaker_id":"spk_97710_paul_waddell","speaker_confidence":0.9,"start_sec":2773.54,"end_sec":2775.98,"text":"Oh, did you I I think, uh Councilman Sudler—","topics_json":"[]","vector_id":"vec_seg_97710_104","created_at":"2026-10-31T05:42:18Z","speaker_name":"Paul Waddell"},{"id":"seg_97710_105","meeting_id":"97710","media_asset_id":"med_97710_a0b6d813968b0577","agenda_item_id":null,"speaker_id":"off_david_l_anderson","speaker_confidence":0.9,"start_sec":2775.98,"end_sec":2776.72,"text":"I'm sorry.","topics_json":"[]","vector_id":"vec_seg_97710_105","created_at":"2026-10-31T05:42:18Z","speaker_name":"David L. Anderson"},{"id":"seg_97710_106","meeting_id":"97710","media_asset_id":"med_97710_a0b6d813968b0577","agenda_item_id":null,"speaker_id":"off_roy_sudler_jr","speaker_confidence":0.95,"start_sec":2776.72,"end_sec":2888.03,"text":"Yes, thank you very much, thank you for recognizing me. Um, just maybe about three questions. Uh, one, uh Paul, in regards to innovative or innovative approaches or trends um for reduction of utility user fees for our constituents. What is out there? What How can How can we take advantage of some of the trends that the municipalities Other municipalities are using to keep the user uh utility fees down? I heard you mention something to the to the point of generating or maybe generating some some power. Um, what I'm thinking of is a a field where we can have um like solar panels, right, and and I know uh for a fact that there have been some individuals who are interested in selling their land so that we can, you know, produce that. Uh, they're not in the city, they're in the county, but close within proximity. So, in other words, what is your view on that matter? Do you think that could help? Do we need to be look Are other municipalities us- using that? Uh, and and what If not, what are some of the other trends that we could be using or creating, in your expertise and knowledge in your field, um that we should possibly be taking a look at?","topics_json":"[\"budget\"]","vector_id":"vec_seg_97710_106","created_at":"2026-10-31T05:42:18Z","speaker_name":"Roy Sudler, Jr."},{"id":"seg_97710_107","meeting_id":"97710","media_asset_id":"med_97710_a0b6d813968b0577","agenda_item_id":null,"speaker_id":"spk_97710_paul_waddell","speaker_confidence":0.9,"start_sec":2888.03,"end_sec":2924.99,"text":"Um, for the solar question, if it's outside the city, of course, they fall under Kent County. And for utility-scale um renewable projects, it has to go through DP&L and it has to go through PJM. Um, and that that changing process has really kind of slowed down um kind of whittled away the projectionists and has really put into play the people who are actually ready to put shovels in the dirt and get ready to go. Um, there's still bottlenecks in the supply chain. Um, what We had a call yesterday and they're saying it's uh, you know, current prices for a megawatt of solar in the ground is $2 million. So, I mean, if you're looking at a 300-megawatt solar field, $600 million. I mean, in today's uh today's age, with the interest rates the way they are, um profitability is probably not going to be there on the developer side. But then the cost option to the end user is probably not going to be there either uh because of the the price of the energy that they would have to charge to to make up um the the their invest- Um, concerning um your your next the next part of the question. Um, I think the AMI system um would give the customers real-time access to their consumption um and they could they could see, you know, they could look at it and say, \"Whoa, holy cow, I'm using that much energy right now. Maybe I need to Oh, look at that.\" You know, there's five other lights on in the house, or maybe if I bump my thermostat, you know, up a degree, down a degree, or whatever. Um, you know, they could they could see that that real time. You know, other than, \"I'm just not going to I like my house at 70 degrees, I don't want it at 69, I don't want it at 7-\"","topics_json":"[\"budget\"]","vector_id":"vec_seg_97710_107","created_at":"2026-10-31T05:42:18Z","speaker_name":"Paul Waddell"},{"id":"seg_97710_108","meeting_id":"97710","media_asset_id":"med_97710_a0b6d813968b0577","agenda_item_id":null,"speaker_id":"spk_97710_paul_waddell","speaker_confidence":0.9,"start_sec":2949.09,"end_sec":2981.11,"text":"21, but then the complaints still come in that, you know, my electric bill's too high. You know, make a 1-degree adjustment in your thermostat, and then maybe you could save $25 a month. You know, it just depends. Um and I'm I'm bracing for a lot of complaints uh when the next bills go out because, you know, even though it it's you you didn't touch your thermostat at and it it maintains at 65°, when it's 30° outside, your you know, your heater works this hard. When it's 9° outside, your heater has to work this hard. So even though you never changed it your your settings, you're still going to pay more because it's just working.","topics_json":"[\"budget\"]","vector_id":"vec_seg_97710_108","created_at":"2026-10-31T05:42:18Z","speaker_name":"Paul Waddell"},{"id":"seg_97710_109","meeting_id":"97710","media_asset_id":"med_97710_a0b6d813968b0577","agenda_item_id":null,"speaker_id":"off_roy_sudler_jr","speaker_confidence":0.95,"start_sec":2981.11,"end_sec":3039.93,"text":"Thank you. Um one last question. Um sort of ties in. Um I know there's state or federal aid, right? So, do you have like a subdivision, or do you have someone that tries to keep up with state and federal aid or opportunities for us to our municipalities to say, \"Hey, we need we need some additional funds so we can keep our user utility or utility user fees down for our shared constituents?\" Because it's not just our local uh, you know,","topics_json":"[\"budget\"]","vector_id":"vec_seg_97710_109","created_at":"2026-10-31T05:42:18Z","speaker_name":"Roy Sudler, Jr."},{"id":"seg_97710_11","meeting_id":"97710","media_asset_id":"med_97710_a0b6d813968b0577","agenda_item_id":null,"speaker_id":"spk_97710_dave_hugg","speaker_confidence":0.95,"start_sec":393.21,"end_sec":408.33,"text":"six or seven years, uh we're sort of projecting based on a on a current tax rate extending into '27, uh which would generate somewhere around um you know 3.66 uh no, I'm sorry, um should take which would acknowledge a uh assessed value growth to about 3.66 uh billions of dollars. Um","topics_json":"[\"taxes\",\"budget\"]","vector_id":"vec_seg_97710_11","created_at":"2026-10-31T05:42:18Z","speaker_name":"Dave Hugg"},{"id":"seg_97710_110","meeting_id":"97710","media_asset_id":"med_97710_a0b6d813968b0577","agenda_item_id":null,"speaker_id":"off_roy_sudler_jr","speaker_confidence":0.95,"start_sec":3039.93,"end_sec":3074.12,"text":"constituents, but it's also state and county and also the county. Uh do you have partnerships? And and if so, have you seen um any impact from the tariffs, taxes? Has that also um impacted our capability to bring down the cost for our constituents when it comes to utility user fees? So one, has tariff taxes sort of impacted how has it impacted, you know, um our capability to keep it down, if so? And and the other part is, do you have someone that is constantly paying attention to opportunities for us to gain uh revenue through the state, the county, uh or federal um funding programs?","topics_json":"[\"budget\",\"taxes\"]","vector_id":"vec_seg_97710_110","created_at":"2026-10-31T05:42:18Z","speaker_name":"Roy Sudler, Jr."},{"id":"seg_97710_111","meeting_id":"97710","media_asset_id":"med_97710_a0b6d813968b0577","agenda_item_id":null,"speaker_id":"spk_97710_paul_waddell","speaker_confidence":0.9,"start_sec":3074.12,"end_sec":3135.03,"text":"Uh the answer to that question is me. Um I keep (laughs) I get a I get a ton of emails, and I and we also being members of APPA, uh being members of DEMEC, being members of DEED, um uh there those are all organizations that supply us with information if we're on their their email list of grant opportunities. Um I uh yeah, I try to I try to keep my nose to the to the ground on that, or ear to the ground on that. Um but the uh the tariffs and the taxes, um our prices for our material is coming down. Um it it is coming down um because I think the majority of the material that we purchase is made in the United States. Uh we recently started purchasing with COVID when we couldn't get a lot of material, we did start getting some of our smaller transformers from uh South Korea uh simply because they had a good price and they could get it to us. Um but they've worked out. Um I have I would have to go back and look at that each at that individual and see if we've seen any impact on that, but I've seen a downward trend in some of our material uh from the peaks that it's been uh that it was. Um so I'm I'm not seeing a whole lot of impact, but I could I could definitely look into it.","topics_json":"[\"budget\",\"taxes\"]","vector_id":"vec_seg_97710_111","created_at":"2026-10-31T05:42:18Z","speaker_name":"Paul Waddell"},{"id":"seg_97710_112","meeting_id":"97710","media_asset_id":"med_97710_a0b6d813968b0577","agenda_item_id":null,"speaker_id":"off_roy_sudler_jr","speaker_confidence":0.95,"start_sec":3135.03,"end_sec":3145.7,"text":"Thank you. And and do you think that if City Council move to um have uh have you to um hire some elves to help you? (laughs) I'm just joking.","topics_json":"[]","vector_id":"vec_seg_97710_112","created_at":"2026-10-31T05:42:18Z","speaker_name":"Roy Sudler, Jr."},{"id":"seg_97710_113","meeting_id":"97710","media_asset_id":"med_97710_a0b6d813968b0577","agenda_item_id":null,"speaker_id":"spk_97710_paul_waddell","speaker_confidence":0.85,"start_sec":3145.7,"end_sec":3147.18,"text":"Yeah, exactly.","topics_json":"[]","vector_id":"vec_seg_97710_113","created_at":"2026-10-31T05:42:18Z","speaker_name":"Paul Waddell"},{"id":"seg_97710_114","meeting_id":"97710","media_asset_id":"med_97710_a0b6d813968b0577","agenda_item_id":null,"speaker_id":"off_robin_r_christiansen","speaker_confidence":0.95,"start_sec":3147.18,"end_sec":3152.58,"text":"That was good. That was good. That was good. It took me a second, but I got it. Yeah, that's good.","topics_json":"[]","vector_id":"vec_seg_97710_114","created_at":"2026-10-31T05:42:18Z","speaker_name":"Robin R. Christiansen"},{"id":"seg_97710_115","meeting_id":"97710","media_asset_id":"med_97710_a0b6d813968b0577","agenda_item_id":null,"speaker_id":"spk_97710_paul_waddell","speaker_confidence":0.95,"start_sec":3152.58,"end_sec":3220.7,"text":"No, uh when we when we did have uh Lisa, Lisa who was here as the grant writer, she was she she was awesome. Yep. Yeah, she uh she really she was key in us getting the uh appropriations money for the substation. Um she threw a whole bunch of opportunities to us, uh which we applied for uh and we unfortunately we didn't get. Uh also with DEMEC, um they work with AMP and uh American Municipal Power, and they are reaching out to me um pretty regularly about opportunities that may fit inside what we need. A lot of the stuff I see now is grid grid modernization, um which the most of that stuff is not really applicable to us because we don't meet the type of the requirement for the type of utility that uses that type of grid modernization like reclosers and all that. We We just don't We don't cover a large aspect of land like a like a co-op. You know, co-op runs from one end of the state to the other end of the state, so them having reclosers and, you know, that type of grid modernization stuff would be a lot more beneficial. For us, we have a bunch of short feeders, so. Thank you.","topics_json":"[\"budget\",\"business\"]","vector_id":"vec_seg_97710_115","created_at":"2026-10-31T05:42:18Z","speaker_name":"Paul Waddell"},{"id":"seg_97710_116","meeting_id":"97710","media_asset_id":"med_97710_a0b6d813968b0577","agenda_item_id":null,"speaker_id":"off_andre_m_boggerty","speaker_confidence":0.95,"start_sec":3220.7,"end_sec":3225.62,"text":"Uh Mr. Mayor, uh Dr. Sudler, you stole my shtick.","topics_json":"[]","vector_id":"vec_seg_97710_116","created_at":"2026-10-31T05:42:18Z","speaker_name":"Andre M. Boggerty"},{"id":"seg_97710_117","meeting_id":"97710","media_asset_id":"med_97710_a0b6d813968b0577","agenda_item_id":null,"speaker_id":"off_roy_sudler_jr","speaker_confidence":0.95,"start_sec":3225.62,"end_sec":3227.34,"text":"I owe you another one.","topics_json":"[]","vector_id":"vec_seg_97710_117","created_at":"2026-10-31T05:42:18Z","speaker_name":"Roy Sudler, Jr."},{"id":"seg_97710_118","meeting_id":"97710","media_asset_id":"med_97710_a0b6d813968b0577","agenda_item_id":null,"speaker_id":"spk_97710_andre_m_boggerty","speaker_confidence":0.95,"start_sec":3227.34,"end_sec":3342.3,"text":"Uh Mr. Waddell, once again, compliments on uh the sustainability of our electric system uh and your quick action the other day on something that that needed to be taken care of. Like to remind everyone something uh of something that was said by the city manager as we started out. Uh many years ago, uh people on this council realized that the city uh was the mecca for non-profits and state buildings and things like that. Property uh assessments is like at 58%, um so they came up with the enterprise funds. Our bills that we have generate revenues in lieu of the taxes that we collect. Why? Because those non-taxable properties, everybody flushes, everybody leads the lights on, and all that other happy stuff, so it generates the shortfall in taxes that we collect. Uh I don't know if this is the appropriate place to say this, but I use this every time that I talk, the property taxes in the city of Dover that we collect on the 58% of the taxable properties does not even cover the police department's budget. So I salute you for uh the efforts of making sure that somebody leaves their lights on and and keeps their heat up a little bit more than they should, but they should be reminded that your electric bill is consumer-driven. I go behind my wife, who I don't know why she wants to have the house at 78°, to me 65 is terrific, um and I turn all the lights off and the television off behind her and my grandchildren when they're over. But um my big question for you is is can you quick give us an overview of us rejoining DEMEC? We made the very foolish mistake of stepping out, and I think that there is safety in numbers, so can you give me a quick overview of that? And the other thing is I'm on the Governor's sustainabi- uh uh Utility Sustainability Committee, and we are looking at small nuclear uh entities as a possibility, safe uh generation things. But would you support, and this is my last question and then I'll shut up, would you support us putting in place, because we've had some inquiries about data centers coming to the city of Dover, that we put an ord-","topics_json":"[\"budget\",\"taxes\",\"public_safety\",\"business\"]","vector_id":"vec_seg_97710_118","created_at":"2026-10-31T05:42:18Z","speaker_name":null},{"id":"seg_97710_119","meeting_id":"97710","media_asset_id":"med_97710_a0b6d813968b0577","agenda_item_id":null,"speaker_id":"off_brian_e_lewis","speaker_confidence":0.9,"start_sec":3342.31,"end_sec":3351.69,"text":"in place that they maintain their own electric to operate that center so they don't vampire from our residents and our other customers we already have that don't use large amounts of electric utilities that data centers use. Thank you.","topics_json":"[\"business\",\"zoning\"]","vector_id":"vec_seg_97710_119","created_at":"2026-10-31T05:42:18Z","speaker_name":"Brian E. Lewis"},{"id":"seg_97710_12","meeting_id":"97710","media_asset_id":"med_97710_a0b6d813968b0577","agenda_item_id":null,"speaker_id":"spk_97710_dave_hugg","speaker_confidence":0.95,"start_sec":408.33,"end_sec":433.1,"text":"to remind Council, probably a third to 40% or so of our property in Dover is not taxable. Uh there are some PILOT payments we get from the state and from a couple of our uh nonprofits, but basically, uh we're existing on about, say, 60 to 70% of the total assessed value of the city. Uh if we were able to assess the charges to those, you know to those uh businesses or firms, whatever, uh we would have substantially higher higher revenue on the General Fund side. Um","topics_json":"[\"taxes\",\"budget\"]","vector_id":"vec_seg_97710_12","created_at":"2026-10-31T05:42:18Z","speaker_name":"Dave Hugg"},{"id":"seg_97710_120","meeting_id":"97710","media_asset_id":"med_97710_a0b6d813968b0577","agenda_item_id":null,"speaker_id":"spk_97710_paul_waddell","speaker_confidence":0.9,"start_sec":3351.69,"end_sec":3408.01,"text":"So the to the uh data center question, um, yes, I do support mandating. Uh that is a common theme across all the ordinances that I've seen uh is if they come into town they have to have uh their their own generation. Um you know, and then that puts it that puts the onus on them to handle DNREC with air permits, with everything um to, you know, that's that's an extra expense. Uh is it a deterrent? You could say that, but as a utility person, it's also a safety net, you know, because I'm not I'm not having to supply them all the time. Uh but I I still have to have the capacity on my system to support them should they should their generation fail. Uh and therefore, I have a sizing restraint. Um did that answer that portion?","topics_json":"[\"business\",\"zoning\"]","vector_id":"vec_seg_97710_120","created_at":"2026-10-31T05:42:18Z","speaker_name":"Paul Waddell"},{"id":"seg_97710_121","meeting_id":"97710","media_asset_id":"med_97710_a0b6d813968b0577","agenda_item_id":null,"speaker_id":"spk_97710_paul_waddell","speaker_confidence":0.9,"start_sec":3408.01,"end_sec":3432.79,"text":"Okay. For the uh small nuclear reactor, um it has not quite gotten its footing yet and running. Um it's still extremely expensive. I put some I put some estimates in my in my uh slides there. Um you're looking at 8.4 to 17 billion. I don't think the ratepayers would support that. Um and that's, you know, 1 to 1.2 to 1.9 GW of energy. Um that would more than cover us uh, and it would give us the ability to sell sell it back uh out to somebody, but that's quite an investment.","topics_json":"[\"budget\"]","vector_id":"vec_seg_97710_121","created_at":"2026-10-31T05:42:18Z","speaker_name":"Paul Waddell"},{"id":"seg_97710_122","meeting_id":"97710","media_asset_id":"med_97710_a0b6d813968b0577","agenda_item_id":null,"speaker_id":"off_brian_e_lewis","speaker_confidence":0.9,"start_sec":3432.79,"end_sec":3437.26,"text":"Would that be would that be something that would be workable for DEMEC members to join together to do for the benefit of","topics_json":"[\"budget\"]","vector_id":"vec_seg_97710_122","created_at":"2026-10-31T05:42:18Z","speaker_name":"Brian E. Lewis"},{"id":"seg_97710_123","meeting_id":"97710","media_asset_id":"med_97710_a0b6d813968b0577","agenda_item_id":null,"speaker_id":"spk_97710_paul_waddell","speaker_confidence":0.9,"start_sec":3437.26,"end_sec":3491.04,"text":"Maybe. Yeah, I mean it could it could be mentioned uh and and discussed. Uh but, you know, I mean a lot of them are smaller net revenue than we are, so it would still be, you know, Dover would carry a lot of that weight probably and, you know, depending on where it would be and and all that logistics. Um but no, do I think it's a great idea? Um I think it, you know, it meets the carbon carbon-free, um zero emissions, no fossil fuel. It makes that crowd happy um and uh, you know, it's it's the most expensive form of energy production right now uh mainly because it's it's uh it's so new. Um but, you know, from what I've read about it, it it's it's pretty neat. I like it, uh but I do you know, I like nice things. Any other questions? Yes, sir?","topics_json":"[\"budget\"]","vector_id":"vec_seg_97710_123","created_at":"2026-10-31T05:42:18Z","speaker_name":"Paul Waddell"},{"id":"seg_97710_124","meeting_id":"97710","media_asset_id":"med_97710_a0b6d813968b0577","agenda_item_id":null,"speaker_id":"off_roy_sudler_jr","speaker_confidence":0.9,"start_sec":3491.04,"end_sec":3537.12,"text":"This is going the statement here is in honor of uh City Councilman Bill Hare, may he rest in peace. And uh it's true for me, I don't know if it's true for my other colleagues, but he used to say uh when he first got on the council, he was told that the electric that we, you know, bring in, the revenue that we bring in, is our cash cow. And uh and he he was one of the first ones to tell me that, so when I first got on council, the revenue from the electric department is our cash cow. Don't know if that's true or not, but you know, that's that's how he always used to say, so to honor him, I brought this.","topics_json":"[\"budget\"]","vector_id":"vec_seg_97710_124","created_at":"2026-10-31T05:42:18Z","speaker_name":"Roy Sudler, Jr."},{"id":"seg_97710_125","meeting_id":"97710","media_asset_id":"med_97710_a0b6d813968b0577","agenda_item_id":null,"speaker_id":"spk_97710_paul_waddell","speaker_confidence":0.9,"start_sec":3537.12,"end_sec":3538.92,"text":"Times are a little different, uh but","topics_json":"[\"budget\"]","vector_id":"vec_seg_97710_125","created_at":"2026-10-31T05:42:18Z","speaker_name":"Paul Waddell"},{"id":"seg_97710_126","meeting_id":"97710","media_asset_id":"med_97710_a0b6d813968b0577","agenda_item_id":null,"speaker_id":"spk_97710_paul_waddell","speaker_confidence":0.9,"start_sec":3538.91,"end_sec":3542.71,"text":"Uh, I've been on council before.","topics_json":"[]","vector_id":"vec_seg_97710_126","created_at":"2026-10-31T05:42:18Z","speaker_name":"Paul Waddell"},{"id":"seg_97710_127","meeting_id":"97710","media_asset_id":"med_97710_a0b6d813968b0577","agenda_item_id":null,"speaker_id":"off_andre_m_boggerty","speaker_confidence":0.95,"start_sec":3542.71,"end_sec":3544.31,"text":"Yep, that's all right.","topics_json":"[]","vector_id":"vec_seg_97710_127","created_at":"2026-10-31T05:42:18Z","speaker_name":"Andre M. Boggerty"},{"id":"seg_97710_128","meeting_id":"97710","media_asset_id":"med_97710_a0b6d813968b0577","agenda_item_id":null,"speaker_id":"off_andre_m_boggerty","speaker_confidence":0.95,"start_sec":3546.31,"end_sec":3549.61,"text":"But, but thank you. Thank you for educating us though.","topics_json":"[]","vector_id":"vec_seg_97710_128","created_at":"2026-10-31T05:42:18Z","speaker_name":"Andre M. Boggerty"},{"id":"seg_97710_129","meeting_id":"97710","media_asset_id":"med_97710_a0b6d813968b0577","agenda_item_id":null,"speaker_id":"spk_97710_paul_waddell","speaker_confidence":0.95,"start_sec":3549.61,"end_sec":3600.71,"text":"And uh to I I didn't forget what you said. Uh, VanSant this weekend, um, through the storm, uh, we've managed to run uh 40 hours. Um, and some of the pricing was uh, uh exceptionally nice. Uh, so, uh, yeah we're we're once once all the final numbers are squared away, um, I think we would have uh profited very nicely for having that unit sitting over there uh, and those guys uh doing all that work. Uh, and a shout out to the Mayor for uh his connections with the Governor's office on Monday uh to try to facilitate us getting some oil uh for the unit. So we uh we we had a I had a scary situation going on and uh we managed to to get back on top and we are the tank is officially full now, so that's a good thing.","topics_json":"[\"budget\",\"business\"]","vector_id":"vec_seg_97710_129","created_at":"2026-10-31T05:42:18Z","speaker_name":"Paul Waddell"},{"id":"seg_97710_13","meeting_id":"97710","media_asset_id":"med_97710_a0b6d813968b0577","agenda_item_id":null,"speaker_id":"spk_97710_dave_hugg","speaker_confidence":0.95,"start_sec":433.1,"end_sec":445.06,"text":"also wanted to sort of point out to you in the little chart, um you know, 30-some percent of uh all the revenues uh come from from property taxes, um with the second largest one being utility transfers uh and then the other enterprise funds. Next slide.","topics_json":"[\"taxes\",\"budget\"]","vector_id":"vec_seg_97710_13","created_at":"2026-10-31T05:42:18Z","speaker_name":"Dave Hugg"},{"id":"seg_97710_130","meeting_id":"97710","media_asset_id":"med_97710_a0b6d813968b0577","agenda_item_id":null,"speaker_id":"off_fred_a_neil","speaker_confidence":0.95,"start_sec":3600.71,"end_sec":3602.51,"text":"Mr. Anderson, you had a question.","topics_json":"[]","vector_id":"vec_seg_97710_130","created_at":"2026-10-31T05:42:18Z","speaker_name":"Fred A. Neil"},{"id":"seg_97710_131","meeting_id":"97710","media_asset_id":"med_97710_a0b6d813968b0577","agenda_item_id":null,"speaker_id":"off_david_l_anderson","speaker_confidence":0.95,"start_sec":3602.51,"end_sec":3641.41,"text":"Thank you. Um I wanted to uh ask about generation capacity. Uh you touched on it in in some ways, but uh what we what are we looking at? I and then in your slides you talked about uh some more traditional generation as a possibility, um. Um are there any partnerships? I know, you know, there's been talk forever about uh uh the people at Garrison adding a um a generator there. We've, in the past, had a partnership. I mean I'm I'm just curious is there anything online the next 5 years that we need to be thinking about?","topics_json":"[\"budget\",\"business\"]","vector_id":"vec_seg_97710_131","created_at":"2026-10-31T05:42:18Z","speaker_name":"David L. Anderson"},{"id":"seg_97710_132","meeting_id":"97710","media_asset_id":"med_97710_a0b6d813968b0577","agenda_item_id":null,"speaker_id":"spk_97710_paul_waddell","speaker_confidence":0.95,"start_sec":3641.41,"end_sec":3714.91,"text":"Um, we want more capacity. Um, the pricing right now for a thermal unit, like another VanSant, um, is again, I put an estimate in there for that that's it's very high. Um, and you add to that that we don't have a firm gas pipeline uh coming in, so it would be basically a peaking unit just like VanSant is. Um, so you weigh the you weigh the pros and cons of is it worth spending 20, 30, 40, 50 million for a unit that might sit there and run, you know, 100 hours a year. Uh, granted we would get capacity payments for it. Um, running on oil, we would have the ability to island the city, um, depending on the size of the unit, uh which would eliminate uh if the peninsula went dark, then it would eliminate um our residents, our customers from going in the dark. Um, so we we are exploring that with Energy Authority. Uh we had a phone call yesterday about uh potential uh small store solar facility, um, somewhere in the city. Uh, so we're, you know, we are looking at things, but keeping the keeping the dollar signs in mind is is the challenge.","topics_json":"[\"budget\",\"business\"]","vector_id":"vec_seg_97710_132","created_at":"2026-10-31T05:42:18Z","speaker_name":"Paul Waddell"},{"id":"seg_97710_133","meeting_id":"97710","media_asset_id":"med_97710_a0b6d813968b0577","agenda_item_id":null,"speaker_id":"off_david_l_anderson","speaker_confidence":0.95,"start_sec":3714.91,"end_sec":3735.51,"text":"I have a question regarding solar. Um is there if we looked at potential for and how would it impact this revenue-wise if we had more partnership to do things like DelTech has if uh if, you know, shopping centers etc. um uh did more solar in instead of","topics_json":"[\"budget\",\"business\"]","vector_id":"vec_seg_97710_133","created_at":"2026-10-31T05:42:18Z","speaker_name":"David L. 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Uh, mainly because of the structures uh that have to be built, the foundation work, all that stuff. Um, so it we, over the last year, year and a half, we've been working with uh TEA to do a feasibility study of all the city-owned property um available of large enough space that we could possibly put a solar field or a solar array. Uh, so our thought was if we could pepper the city with, you know, 10, 12 1-megawatt solar arrays, then we can get the same output that we have out of Sun Park and really not eat up all that land. Um, but feasibility um of where their locations are with our transmission lines narrowed it down to I believe eight. Uh, and then of that eight, um there would be um potential clashes with residents uh because it might be a park. Uh, it might, you know, it could be Schutte Park, it could be the park out at uh um over by Mayfair or the the space over by Mayfair. Um, so it we we really got it down to just, you know, one, maybe two, uh and um","topics_json":"[\"budget\",\"business\",\"zoning\"]","vector_id":"vec_seg_97710_135","created_at":"2026-10-31T05:42:18Z","speaker_name":"Paul Waddell"},{"id":"seg_97710_136","meeting_id":"97710","media_asset_id":"med_97710_a0b6d813968b0577","agenda_item_id":null,"speaker_id":"spk_97710_paul_waddell","speaker_confidence":0.9,"start_sec":3820.29,"end_sec":3826.93,"text":"our our actual next step, we have a meeting next week uh that we'll discuss with them about uh what our next step is and, you know, our appetite for that um going forward.","topics_json":"[\"budget\"]","vector_id":"vec_seg_97710_136","created_at":"2026-10-31T05:42:18Z","speaker_name":"Paul Waddell"},{"id":"seg_97710_137","meeting_id":"97710","media_asset_id":"med_97710_a0b6d813968b0577","agenda_item_id":null,"speaker_id":"spk_97710_paul_waddell","speaker_confidence":0.9,"start_sec":3827.24,"end_sec":3869.47,"text":"But that putting in 3 megawatts of solar, that's going to offer us a discount on our um purchases in real time. Uh, it's going to affect our peak load, it'll affect our capacity amounts that we have to purchase, and, you know, it it could shield us from um having to account for and hedge for that that energy. Um, we won't get a whole lot in PJM for capacity from it, because solar's solar's unreliable, you know, and I think it was what, 4%?","topics_json":"[\"budget\",\"business\"]","vector_id":"vec_seg_97710_137","created_at":"2026-10-31T05:42:18Z","speaker_name":"Paul Waddell"},{"id":"seg_97710_138","meeting_id":"97710","media_asset_id":"med_97710_a0b6d813968b0577","agenda_item_id":null,"speaker_id":"spk_97710_unknown_speaker","speaker_confidence":0.7,"start_sec":3869.66,"end_sec":3870.34,"text":"4%.","topics_json":"[]","vector_id":"vec_seg_97710_138","created_at":"2026-10-31T05:42:18Z","speaker_name":null},{"id":"seg_97710_139","meeting_id":"97710","media_asset_id":"med_97710_a0b6d813968b0577","agenda_item_id":null,"speaker_id":"spk_97710_paul_waddell","speaker_confidence":0.9,"start_sec":3870.34,"end_sec":3931.51,"text":"4% of a solar field uh on non-tracking and 8% uh on tracking. So like right now, we used to get 10 megawatts for or 8 megawatts for Sun Park on our off our capacity requirements, now we get 1, you know. So we got 10 megawatts of solar out there uh in theory, but we're getting 1 megawatt from credit from PJM for it, and it's just because over time, the renewables are not a reliable source of consistent power. Uh, and that's that's driven uh the price of energy up, unfortunately, you know. The the baseload units have retired, and PJM is—I have a note down here uh that the last three years, every auction in PJM has beat the previous year in price, um and PJM has consistently fell short of its capacity targets. So what that says is PJM doesn't have enough capacity to run demand, you know, and a lot of that is is off of data centers.","topics_json":"[\"budget\",\"business\"]","vector_id":"vec_seg_97710_139","created_at":"2026-10-31T05:42:18Z","speaker_name":"Paul Waddell"},{"id":"seg_97710_14","meeting_id":"97710","media_asset_id":"med_97710_a0b6d813968b0577","agenda_item_id":null,"speaker_id":"spk_97710_dave_hugg","speaker_confidence":0.95,"start_sec":445.06,"end_sec":478.47,"text":"Also took a look at transfer taxes. This is the big unknown in our our operations, but it's a a significant amount of money, significant enough to pay close attention to. It's driven in large measure by by the economy. It's driven by the sale of of of properties. Um you know, a significant part of it comes from our ongoing residential and commercial activities, but they don't generate the the uh the significant amount. It's when we have somebody that, you know, buys or sells the Dover Mall or some, you know, some large piece of property to generate and leads to a large amount of money.","topics_json":"[\"taxes\",\"budget\",\"business\"]","vector_id":"vec_seg_97710_14","created_at":"2026-10-31T05:42:18Z","speaker_name":"Dave Hugg"},{"id":"seg_97710_140","meeting_id":"97710","media_asset_id":"med_97710_a0b6d813968b0577","agenda_item_id":null,"speaker_id":"off_andre_m_boggerty","speaker_confidence":0.9,"start_sec":3931.51,"end_sec":3932.13,"text":"Okay. Um, can you—","topics_json":"[]","vector_id":"vec_seg_97710_140","created_at":"2026-10-31T05:42:18Z","speaker_name":"Andre M. Boggerty"},{"id":"seg_97710_141","meeting_id":"97710","media_asset_id":"med_97710_a0b6d813968b0577","agenda_item_id":null,"speaker_id":"off_brian_e_lewis","speaker_confidence":0.95,"start_sec":3932.12,"end_sec":3933.12,"text":"A quick thing.","topics_json":"[]","vector_id":"vec_seg_97710_141","created_at":"2026-10-31T05:42:18Z","speaker_name":"Brian E. Lewis"},{"id":"seg_97710_142","meeting_id":"97710","media_asset_id":"med_97710_a0b6d813968b0577","agenda_item_id":null,"speaker_id":"off_robin_r_christiansen","speaker_confidence":0.9,"start_sec":3933.12,"end_sec":3936.32,"text":"Quick question, yeah, meeting before it was still here tonight.","topics_json":"[]","vector_id":"vec_seg_97710_142","created_at":"2026-10-31T05:42:18Z","speaker_name":"Robin R. Christiansen"},{"id":"seg_97710_143","meeting_id":"97710","media_asset_id":"med_97710_a0b6d813968b0577","agenda_item_id":null,"speaker_id":"off_brian_e_lewis","speaker_confidence":0.95,"start_sec":3936.32,"end_sec":3945.62,"text":"I know. Shh. This is important, though. So, well, my question is not that it's important. PJM, did Pennsylvania actually back out? Is that true or uh That's Pennsylvania, Jersey, Maryland.","topics_json":"[]","vector_id":"vec_seg_97710_143","created_at":"2026-10-31T05:42:18Z","speaker_name":"Brian E. Lewis"},{"id":"seg_97710_144","meeting_id":"97710","media_asset_id":"med_97710_a0b6d813968b0577","agenda_item_id":null,"speaker_id":"spk_97710_paul_waddell","speaker_confidence":0.9,"start_sec":3945.62,"end_sec":3949.32,"text":"No, no. I think Penn- I think Pennsylvania backed out of RGGI.","topics_json":"[]","vector_id":"vec_seg_97710_144","created_at":"2026-10-31T05:42:18Z","speaker_name":"Paul Waddell"},{"id":"seg_97710_145","meeting_id":"97710","media_asset_id":"med_97710_a0b6d813968b0577","agenda_item_id":null,"speaker_id":"off_brian_e_lewis","speaker_confidence":0.95,"start_sec":3949.32,"end_sec":3951.12,"text":"Oh, out of RGGI, okay. Thank you.","topics_json":"[]","vector_id":"vec_seg_97710_145","created_at":"2026-10-31T05:42:18Z","speaker_name":"Brian E. Lewis"},{"id":"seg_97710_146","meeting_id":"97710","media_asset_id":"med_97710_a0b6d813968b0577","agenda_item_id":null,"speaker_id":"off_fred_a_neil","speaker_confidence":0.95,"start_sec":3951.12,"end_sec":3952.22,"text":"Mr. Lewis.","topics_json":"[]","vector_id":"vec_seg_97710_146","created_at":"2026-10-31T05:42:18Z","speaker_name":"Fred A. Neil"},{"id":"seg_97710_147","meeting_id":"97710","media_asset_id":"med_97710_a0b6d813968b0577","agenda_item_id":null,"speaker_id":"off_brian_e_lewis","speaker_confidence":0.95,"start_sec":3952.22,"end_sec":3961.92,"text":"Yeah, so I have two questions for you, sir. My first question is, um, and I don't know if this has been asked already, but uh, have you explored, um, nuclear energy?","topics_json":"[]","vector_id":"vec_seg_97710_147","created_at":"2026-10-31T05:42:18Z","speaker_name":"Brian E. Lewis"},{"id":"seg_97710_148","meeting_id":"97710","media_asset_id":"med_97710_a0b6d813968b0577","agenda_item_id":null,"speaker_id":"off_david_l_anderson","speaker_confidence":0.9,"start_sec":3961.92,"end_sec":3964.02,"text":"Yes, it was asked. It was, but go ahead.","topics_json":"[]","vector_id":"vec_seg_97710_148","created_at":"2026-10-31T05:42:18Z","speaker_name":"David L. Anderson"},{"id":"seg_97710_149","meeting_id":"97710","media_asset_id":"med_97710_a0b6d813968b0577","agenda_item_id":null,"speaker_id":"spk_97710_paul_waddell","speaker_confidence":0.9,"start_sec":3964.02,"end_sec":3991.92,"text":"Uh, yeah, and we uh it's the cost is extremely high. Um, the the the lead time to construct uh any of the plants would be 10, 15 years. Uh, the permitting, who knows what the permitting would be with DNREC. Uh, there's a lot of a lot of challenges out there, and uh the small modular nuclear just hasn't It hasn't took hold. It hasn't become You know, once once many of them get out there, the price is going to drop. Uh, but, you know, it would be a great idea. Uh...","topics_json":"[\"budget\"]","vector_id":"vec_seg_97710_149","created_at":"2026-10-31T05:42:18Z","speaker_name":"Paul Waddell"},{"id":"seg_97710_15","meeting_id":"97710","media_asset_id":"med_97710_a0b6d813968b0577","agenda_item_id":null,"speaker_id":"spk_97710_dave_hugg","speaker_confidence":0.95,"start_sec":478.47,"end_sec":520.27,"text":"As you can see, um very hard to predict what that is. It bounces all over the place. I guess the bad news is is last year was down substantially, about half of what it was in in '25. Um there's no way to predict this, and so we just have to sort of pick a number that we think it might work out to and and hope that we're we're uh being too conservative. Next slide. Keep going. Okay.","topics_json":"[\"taxes\",\"budget\"]","vector_id":"vec_seg_97710_15","created_at":"2026-10-31T05:42:18Z","speaker_name":"Dave Hugg"},{"id":"seg_97710_150","meeting_id":"97710","media_asset_id":"med_97710_a0b6d813968b0577","agenda_item_id":null,"speaker_id":"off_brian_e_lewis","speaker_confidence":0.95,"start_sec":3991.92,"end_sec":4037.22,"text":"Okay, could you uh send me information on that, please? Okay, uh and and how you explored it. My next question is, um...","topics_json":"[]","vector_id":"vec_seg_97710_150","created_at":"2026-10-31T05:42:18Z","speaker_name":"Brian E. Lewis"},{"id":"seg_97710_151","meeting_id":"97710","media_asset_id":"med_97710_a0b6d813968b0577","agenda_item_id":null,"speaker_id":"off_brian_e_lewis","speaker_confidence":0.95,"start_sec":4037.22,"end_sec":4044.72,"text":"...have you looked into what other municipalities and states are doing to be cost-effective with their energy?","topics_json":"[\"budget\"]","vector_id":"vec_seg_97710_151","created_at":"2026-10-31T05:42:18Z","speaker_name":"Brian E. Lewis"},{"id":"seg_97710_152","meeting_id":"97710","media_asset_id":"med_97710_a0b6d813968b0577","agenda_item_id":null,"speaker_id":"spk_97710_paul_waddell","speaker_confidence":0.9,"start_sec":4044.72,"end_sec":4045.72,"text":"Yes.","topics_json":"[]","vector_id":"vec_seg_97710_152","created_at":"2026-10-31T05:42:18Z","speaker_name":"Paul Waddell"},{"id":"seg_97710_153","meeting_id":"97710","media_asset_id":"med_97710_a0b6d813968b0577","agenda_item_id":null,"speaker_id":"off_brian_e_lewis","speaker_confidence":0.95,"start_sec":4045.72,"end_sec":4048.22,"text":"Yeah, through DEMEC. What was their results?","topics_json":"[]","vector_id":"vec_seg_97710_153","created_at":"2026-10-31T05:42:18Z","speaker_name":"Brian E. Lewis"},{"id":"seg_97710_154","meeting_id":"97710","media_asset_id":"med_97710_a0b6d813968b0577","agenda_item_id":null,"speaker_id":"spk_97710_paul_waddell","speaker_confidence":0.9,"start_sec":4048.22,"end_sec":4092.92,"text":"Um, it's Everybody faces their own different challenges. Um, you can't just pinpoint and say, 'Well, this is what the situation is in Wyoming, this is what the situation is in Delaware.' Um, when you get out towards those areas, solar, you know, land is not an op- land isn't a isn't an issue. They can throw a whole bunch of solar and wind out there. Uh, we don't have that option. So, we're we're and they they operate off of a different interconnection than what we do. You know, they're in Southwest Power Pool, we're in PJM. PJM is, you know, unfortunately right now they're the most expensive interconnection in the country. Um, and so everybody has their own challenges. Um, the the biggest hurdle that everyone that I've seen is is struggling with is balancing energy costs with capital improvement. And, you know, that's that's I mean, that that's where we're at. We're we're we're trying to track the same target. Uh, DEMEC offers us a look into the other municipalities into the city- I mean, into the state, and uh we're we're all in the same ship. You know, we're just trying to It all comes down to the to the dollar. Um, you know, if if I could have a $250 million budget annually, you know, things would be great, but I I don't have that. You know, where I'm not I'm not a for-profit uh entity. I'm non-profit, so I don't I don't put money in, you know, stash money back. I don't answer to shareholders, I answer to the public. Um, so...","topics_json":"[\"budget\"]","vector_id":"vec_seg_97710_154","created_at":"2026-10-31T05:42:18Z","speaker_name":"Paul Waddell"},{"id":"seg_97710_155","meeting_id":"97710","media_asset_id":"med_97710_a0b6d813968b0577","agenda_item_id":null,"speaker_id":"off_brian_e_lewis","speaker_confidence":0.95,"start_sec":4092.92,"end_sec":4093.62,"text":"Yeah.","topics_json":"[]","vector_id":"vec_seg_97710_155","created_at":"2026-10-31T05:42:18Z","speaker_name":"Brian E. Lewis"},{"id":"seg_97710_156","meeting_id":"97710","media_asset_id":"med_97710_a0b6d813968b0577","agenda_item_id":null,"speaker_id":"off_brian_e_lewis","speaker_confidence":0.95,"start_sec":4093.62,"end_sec":4109.32,"text":"One more question, and you could send me this, um, if it's going to be an an exten- extended answer, is when you buy your equipment for the city, uh, do you explore going overseas for the equipment, or is is that pretty much the uh the way to go uh to be cost-effective?","topics_json":"[\"budget\"]","vector_id":"vec_seg_97710_156","created_at":"2026-10-31T05:42:18Z","speaker_name":"Brian E. Lewis"},{"id":"seg_97710_157","meeting_id":"97710","media_asset_id":"med_97710_a0b6d813968b0577","agenda_item_id":null,"speaker_id":"spk_97710_paul_waddell","speaker_confidence":0.9,"start_sec":4109.32,"end_sec":4128.72,"text":"Uh, we look for the most reliable, most cost-effective items that we can get. Um, I uh Councilman Sudler asked a question earlier and I answer- my one of my answers was that we did reach out to a South Korea manufacturer during COVID, and we've actually continued to work with them because their price point...","topics_json":"[\"budget\"]","vector_id":"vec_seg_97710_157","created_at":"2026-10-31T05:42:18Z","speaker_name":"Paul Waddell"},{"id":"seg_97710_158","meeting_id":"97710","media_asset_id":"med_97710_a0b6d813968b0577","agenda_item_id":null,"speaker_id":"spk_97710_paul","speaker_confidence":0.8,"start_sec":4128.73,"end_sec":4134.13,"text":"is good and they deliver when they say they're going to deliver. Um, so, yeah, we we explore all the options.","topics_json":"[]","vector_id":"vec_seg_97710_158","created_at":"2026-10-31T05:42:18Z","speaker_name":"Paul"},{"id":"seg_97710_159","meeting_id":"97710","media_asset_id":"med_97710_a0b6d813968b0577","agenda_item_id":null,"speaker_id":"spk_97710_council_member","speaker_confidence":0.7,"start_sec":4134.13,"end_sec":4136.13,"text":"That's all I have. Thank you very much.","topics_json":"[]","vector_id":"vec_seg_97710_159","created_at":"2026-10-31T05:42:18Z","speaker_name":null},{"id":"seg_97710_16","meeting_id":"97710","media_asset_id":"med_97710_a0b6d813968b0577","agenda_item_id":null,"speaker_id":"spk_97710_dave_hugg","speaker_confidence":0.95,"start_sec":520.27,"end_sec":547.19,"text":"Uh one of the one of the questions we ask ourselves as we go through this process is what is it that we're actually responsible for? What are we supposed to be doing? What's what what are the the duties and and and services that we're charged with? And the secondary question is who makes that decision? I think it's safe to say that that, you know, Council makes the majority of decisions, but we can't ignore the fact that our friends across the street and our friends in Washington send us things to do, tell us what we have to do, how we have to do it. Uh sometimes they help us financially, sometimes they don't. And in many cases, we don't have a choice. Um and and we'll get to that in a little bit.","topics_json":"[\"budget\"]","vector_id":"vec_seg_97710_16","created_at":"2026-10-31T05:42:18Z","speaker_name":"Dave Hugg"},{"id":"seg_97710_160","meeting_id":"97710","media_asset_id":"med_97710_a0b6d813968b0577","agenda_item_id":null,"speaker_id":"off_fred_a_neil","speaker_confidence":0.9,"start_sec":4136.13,"end_sec":4142.23,"text":"Okay. Um, want to move forward a little bit. Thank you, Paul, for um however many minutes you were up here. We appreciate it.","topics_json":"[]","vector_id":"vec_seg_97710_160","created_at":"2026-10-31T05:42:18Z","speaker_name":"Fred A. Neil"},{"id":"seg_97710_161","meeting_id":"97710","media_asset_id":"med_97710_a0b6d813968b0577","agenda_item_id":null,"speaker_id":"spk_97710_paul","speaker_confidence":0.8,"start_sec":4142.23,"end_sec":4143.23,"text":"It was five.","topics_json":"[]","vector_id":"vec_seg_97710_161","created_at":"2026-10-31T05:42:18Z","speaker_name":"Paul"},{"id":"seg_97710_162","meeting_id":"97710","media_asset_id":"med_97710_a0b6d813968b0577","agenda_item_id":null,"speaker_id":"off_fred_a_neil","speaker_confidence":0.9,"start_sec":4143.23,"end_sec":4154.53,"text":"Okay. Five minutes. Yeah. Thank you. Um, next next up is uh our Director of Emergency Management and Communications, that's her new title, uh new set of responsibilities. So, go for it.","topics_json":"[]","vector_id":"vec_seg_97710_162","created_at":"2026-10-31T05:42:18Z","speaker_name":"Fred A. Neil"},{"id":"seg_97710_163","meeting_id":"97710","media_asset_id":"med_97710_a0b6d813968b0577","agenda_item_id":null,"speaker_id":"spk_97710_kay_sass","speaker_confidence":0.9,"start_sec":4154.53,"end_sec":4325.33,"text":"Good morning. Andrea, can you flip the slide? Thank you. Can you go to the next one, please? This is where I really kind of want to start is Uh, one more. I'm sorry, Andrea. Is uh understanding our challenges and what we're really facing here. Um, I think the key word that we're going to hear across many departments this this morning is that we are all doing a lot more with a lot less. We have I I guess the quote I wrote down is, \"We are doing more for more people with the same or fewer resources, and the solutions need to reflect that reality.\" The demand for emergency response and assistance has grown significantly. Today, we're responding not just to traditional emergencies, but also to mental health, homeless, substance abuse, and welfare checks, many of which are fundamentally a social service issue. At the same time, public funding for emergency response is limited and still largely structured around the police response, not to diminish their value by no means. There is very little flexible funding available when emergencies overlap with behavioral health, housing instability, or substance use needs. Like all services in Dover, these prices increase, creates a growing gap, expectations for response continue to rise faster than the resources designed to support them. We have seen EMS calls almost double in the last 10 years. Second, there's a common perception that the city—and this is all of you as well, right?—the city should be able to handle all of these sort situations directly. From the public's perspective, if they call 911, City Hall, or a councilman, the city becomes the default provider regardless of whether the issue truly falls within our authority, expertise, or funding structure. That mismatch has real impacts. It affects response times, increases staff workload, strains morale, and raises liability concerns. It also pulls limited emergency resources away from core public safety functions. Over time, that model simply isn't sustainable unless we address it intentionally. And while that expectation is understandable, it puts municipal governments in a difficult position. Many of these needs are more appropriately addressed by county, state, non-profit, or healthcare partners, but in the moment of crisis, the city is often the first and the only call. We also recognize that elected officials at the municipal level, particularly, often get the short end of the stick. Cities are expected to respond immediately, visibly, and effectively while operating with limited authority, limited staffing, limited funding, tools, and tight budgets. And I've spoke to many of you over this past week as we were dealing with what we've been dealing with, dealing with what we are right now with the cold temps, possible loss of power, high winds, ice, and now I want to use emergency sheltering as a real-world example of what we're dealing with every day. On the surface, it sounds very simple: we need to open a shelter. But when you actually break that down, it's anything but simple. Every task we take on has multiple moving parts that aren't always visible or even considered. So when we talk about alternative emergency sheltering, it's not just opening a door. We have to identify safe locations, ensure","topics_json":"[\"public_safety\",\"homelessness\",\"housing\",\"budget\"]","vector_id":"vec_seg_97710_163","created_at":"2026-10-31T05:42:18Z","speaker_name":"Kay Sass"},{"id":"seg_97710_164","meeting_id":"97710","media_asset_id":"med_97710_a0b6d813968b0577","agenda_item_id":null,"speaker_id":"spk_97710_kay_sass","speaker_confidence":1,"start_sec":4325.34,"end_sec":4340.88,"text":"safety compliance, manage staffing and volunteers, track resources, and address liability. Someone has to coordinate the cots, the food, the medical care, sanitation, security, transportation, accessibility. Someone has to track who's responsible for what. And all of that has to be planned before the emergency, not while it's unfolding. Then we keep our plans fluid because we know nothing goes as planned.","topics_json":"[\"public_safety\",\"emergency_management\"]","vector_id":"vec_seg_97710_164","created_at":"2026-10-31T05:42:18Z","speaker_name":"Kay Sass"},{"id":"seg_97710_165","meeting_id":"97710","media_asset_id":"med_97710_a0b6d813968b0577","agenda_item_id":null,"speaker_id":"spk_97710_kay_sass","speaker_confidence":1,"start_sec":4341.03,"end_sec":4355.72,"text":"Liability is a huge part of this. When the city opens a shelter, we're responsible for the safety of everyone inside. That directly impacts EMS response, police response, fire marshal oversight, emergency management coordination. They're not theoretical uh concerns, they're operational realities. For the general public, it can sound like a simple enough solution, but the remain- reality remains it is simply not.","topics_json":"[\"public_safety\",\"emergency_management\",\"homelessness\"]","vector_id":"vec_seg_97710_165","created_at":"2026-10-31T05:42:18Z","speaker_name":"Kay Sass"},{"id":"seg_97710_166","meeting_id":"97710","media_asset_id":"med_97710_a0b6d813968b0577","agenda_item_id":null,"speaker_id":"spk_97710_kay_sass","speaker_confidence":1,"start_sec":4355.86,"end_sec":4397.67,"text":"It's why it's important that we use our collective voice to advocate at the state level for funding structures that reflect the reality of today's emergency demands, not those of 20 years ago. That includes the opioid funds and using some for the public safety support, prevention and programming, and other services that directly reduce repeat emergency calls with long-term solutions.","topics_json":"[\"budget\",\"public_safety\",\"emergency_management\"]","vector_id":"vec_seg_97710_166","created_at":"2026-10-31T05:42:18Z","speaker_name":"Kay Sass"},{"id":"seg_97710_167","meeting_id":"97710","media_asset_id":"med_97710_a0b6d813968b0577","agenda_item_id":null,"speaker_id":"spk_97710_kay_sass","speaker_confidence":1,"start_sec":4397.95,"end_sec":4419.24,"text":"If we're going to meet today's expectations, we need systems and funding models that match today's realities and that support municipalities in doing this work responsibly and effectively. Our community is not struggling because we don't care. We are struggling because we are doing more for more people with the same or fewer resources, and the solution needs to reflect that reality. Are there possible solutions? There are, some of which I've already answered. But until we're all willing to work together and spread it a little thinner, I don't know what else we can do. So I'm open to take any questions.","topics_json":"[\"budget\",\"public_safety\",\"emergency_management\"]","vector_id":"vec_seg_97710_167","created_at":"2026-10-31T05:42:18Z","speaker_name":"Kay Sass"},{"id":"seg_97710_168","meeting_id":"97710","media_asset_id":"med_97710_a0b6d813968b0577","agenda_item_id":null,"speaker_id":"spk_97710_council_member","speaker_confidence":0.7,"start_sec":4419.32,"end_sec":4420.38,"text":"Good morning, Ms. Sass.","topics_json":"[]","vector_id":"vec_seg_97710_168","created_at":"2026-10-31T05:42:18Z","speaker_name":null},{"id":"seg_97710_169","meeting_id":"97710","media_asset_id":"med_97710_a0b6d813968b0577","agenda_item_id":null,"speaker_id":"off_fred_a_neil","speaker_confidence":1,"start_sec":4420.45,"end_sec":4481.85,"text":"Thank- thank you, um, Kay, outstanding job the EMS uh has done. Do you- I think it's worthwhile kind of covering the history of the fees that we have added for the services. Do you remember when we had St. Francis here, what occurred that this- that uh, and again, that was all the taxpayers' money. That was all the people who were paying property taxes were paying for all those services for everybody in the city. Uh what was the determination for us to switch to uh another company to uh basically uh set up a fee, and how much did that fee take away from the taxpayers that would have paid to have to pay 100% of all of those costs?","topics_json":"[\"budget\",\"taxes\",\"public_safety\"]","vector_id":"vec_seg_97710_169","created_at":"2026-10-31T05:42:18Z","speaker_name":"Fred A. Neil"},{"id":"seg_97710_17","meeting_id":"97710","media_asset_id":"med_97710_a0b6d813968b0577","agenda_item_id":null,"speaker_id":"spk_97710_dave_hugg","speaker_confidence":0.95,"start_sec":547.19,"end_sec":563.23,"text":"Uh want to point out because we seem to be drifting a little bit towards more social consciousness, more social service programming, um but that's an area that's dominated predominantly by the state and the feds and the nonprofits. So, one of the challenges to us is to kind of figure out where the city fits into, you know, into that broader uh universe of activities.","topics_json":"[\"budget\"]","vector_id":"vec_seg_97710_17","created_at":"2026-10-31T05:42:18Z","speaker_name":"Dave Hugg"},{"id":"seg_97710_170","meeting_id":"97710","media_asset_id":"med_97710_a0b6d813968b0577","agenda_item_id":null,"speaker_id":"spk_97710_kay_sass","speaker_confidence":1,"start_sec":4481.99,"end_sec":4486.11,"text":"So originally, uh when we were working with Saint Francis, we- our cost was $100,000. It was kind of one of those--","topics_json":"[\"budget\",\"public_safety\"]","vector_id":"vec_seg_97710_170","created_at":"2026-10-31T05:42:18Z","speaker_name":"Kay Sass"},{"id":"seg_97710_171","meeting_id":"97710","media_asset_id":"med_97710_a0b6d813968b0577","agenda_item_id":null,"speaker_id":"off_fred_a_neil","speaker_confidence":1,"start_sec":4486.11,"end_sec":4487.03,"text":"Up from what?","topics_json":"[\"budget\"]","vector_id":"vec_seg_97710_171","created_at":"2026-10-31T05:42:18Z","speaker_name":"Fred A. Neil"},{"id":"seg_97710_172","meeting_id":"97710","media_asset_id":"med_97710_a0b6d813968b0577","agenda_item_id":null,"speaker_id":"spk_97710_kay_sass","speaker_confidence":1,"start_sec":4487.03,"end_sec":4507.54,"text":"Uh it was actually down from like $280-ish thousand with PrimeCare prior to that. And that's going back- I'm, you know, my figures are about 15 years old, so I could be off a little bit. Um but I believe it's right around that ballpark. And then when we had placed it out to bid, the bid came back $100,000. It was kind of one of those, is it too good to be true? We'll have to wait and see kind of things. Um we were able to sustain that for a short- well, for a few, several years, and then suddenly they came back and said we need to increase the cost. We're not- we're not staying afloat.","topics_json":"[\"budget\",\"public_safety\"]","vector_id":"vec_seg_97710_172","created_at":"2026-10-31T05:42:18Z","speaker_name":"Kay Sass"},{"id":"seg_97710_173","meeting_id":"97710","media_asset_id":"med_97710_a0b6d813968b0577","agenda_item_id":null,"speaker_id":"spk_97710_kay_sass","speaker_confidence":1,"start_sec":4507.75,"end_sec":4521.95,"text":"That amount then went to- uh they came back, it was either 1.2 or 1.4 million they wanted to increase it to. Um at that point, we immediately took it out to bid. You know, we created the RFP and sent it out to bid. Uh sent it out a second time because we didn't get enough responses. So we wanted to be able to try- we knew there had to be somebody cheaper, somebody that could do the service at the level that--","topics_json":"[\"budget\",\"public_safety\"]","vector_id":"vec_seg_97710_173","created_at":"2026-10-31T05:42:18Z","speaker_name":"Kay Sass"},{"id":"seg_97710_174","meeting_id":"97710","media_asset_id":"med_97710_a0b6d813968b0577","agenda_item_id":null,"speaker_id":"spk_97710_kay_sass","speaker_confidence":0.9,"start_sec":4521.94,"end_sec":4674.35,"text":"that we needed and provide to our community what is necessarily needed. So we put it back out to RFP. We got the second or third response—I don't even know how many we ended up with—back for $600,000. At that point, you know, we can't always just come with problems, I like to come with a solution, at least a an idea of how we can fix it, how we can close the gap. So that's whenever I brought forth the EMS fee. Everybody who uses it, everybody who has the potential to use it is everybody who is in our city at any given time. So I didn't want it to fall, nor did you guys, fall on the backs of taxpayers. I'm sorry, I fought the ice and the ice won this week, so I'm a little uncomfortable. Um so, anyway, the cost was $600,000, we created the EMS fee to be able to subsidize what it's going to run to keep them in Dover. They're currently running a fourth ambulance at no cost. They have a great working relationship with the fire department. Uh they utilize Station 2 all the time uh for a headquarter or for a station to be able to run out of. During the storm, for example, they set up at Station 1 as well. Then they also set up another one down at the Hampton Inn on the north end of town, and then another one out on South State Street. So what we're contracted with them, what they're currently providing is substantially more. Um but this is going to continue to increase. It's it's 82, 83% of an increase in the last 10 years, and there's really nothing, not one single thing that is the cause of it. It's not an increase in the elderly population alone. It's not an increase in the number of uh individuals that are 25 or less that cause more car accidents, you know, statistically. Uh it's not necessarily homeless, it's not necessarily the drugs. It's just a combination of everything, but the reality is our population is grow- growing slowly, and our increases are higher demands. Lack of primary care doctors is another cause people utilize the uh 911 system for. They don't have transportation. So instead of getting an Uber or something, they call 911 and hope that their medical insurance will cover it. So there's a lot of things in that are playing part of this, but at the same time they still have to respond. So all of these life safety measures that are in place in the city, whether it be police, fire, EMS, all of them contribute to the the well-being of our community. All of them have as much value as the next one, and I think we're just going to continue to see the needs increase, regardless of which area.","topics_json":"[\"public_safety\",\"budget\"]","vector_id":"vec_seg_97710_174","created_at":"2026-10-31T05:42:18Z","speaker_name":"Kay Sass"},{"id":"seg_97710_175","meeting_id":"97710","media_asset_id":"med_97710_a0b6d813968b0577","agenda_item_id":null,"speaker_id":"off_fred_a_neil","speaker_confidence":0.95,"start_sec":4674.35,"end_sec":4680.99,"text":"So basically, the fees, which were taking off of the property tax, so the property tax owner is not paying for the whole thing.","topics_json":"[\"taxes\",\"budget\"]","vector_id":"vec_seg_97710_175","created_at":"2026-10-31T05:42:18Z","speaker_name":"Fred A. Neil"},{"id":"seg_97710_176","meeting_id":"97710","media_asset_id":"med_97710_a0b6d813968b0577","agenda_item_id":null,"speaker_id":"spk_97710_kay_sass","speaker_confidence":0.9,"start_sec":4680.99,"end_sec":4681.57,"text":"Correct.","topics_json":"[\"taxes\",\"budget\"]","vector_id":"vec_seg_97710_176","created_at":"2026-10-31T05:42:18Z","speaker_name":"Kay Sass"},{"id":"seg_97710_177","meeting_id":"97710","media_asset_id":"med_97710_a0b6d813968b0577","agenda_item_id":null,"speaker_id":"off_fred_a_neil","speaker_confidence":0.95,"start_sec":4681.57,"end_sec":4691.75,"text":"So that the nonprofits, which again are here in the amounts that uh Mr. Hugg has already talked about, they have to pay their share of this, keeping it off of the tax increase, which hasn't changed for what, three years?","topics_json":"[\"taxes\",\"budget\"]","vector_id":"vec_seg_97710_177","created_at":"2026-10-31T05:42:18Z","speaker_name":"Fred A. Neil"},{"id":"seg_97710_178","meeting_id":"97710","media_asset_id":"med_97710_a0b6d813968b0577","agenda_item_id":null,"speaker_id":"spk_97710_kay_sass","speaker_confidence":0.9,"start_sec":4691.75,"end_sec":4692.69,"text":"Yeah, it's a dollar fifty a month.","topics_json":"[\"taxes\",\"budget\"]","vector_id":"vec_seg_97710_178","created_at":"2026-10-31T05:42:18Z","speaker_name":"Kay Sass"},{"id":"seg_97710_179","meeting_id":"97710","media_asset_id":"med_97710_a0b6d813968b0577","agenda_item_id":null,"speaker_id":"off_fred_a_neil","speaker_confidence":0.95,"start_sec":4692.69,"end_sec":4705.19,"text":"Otherwise, it would be soaring. Would have to go up for that that price, each each what, $230,000, whatever. That that's a penny, right? So we've been able to keep that off and keep it down for that purpose and have the services and have actually more service for what than what what we were paying for.","topics_json":"[\"taxes\",\"budget\",\"public_safety\"]","vector_id":"vec_seg_97710_179","created_at":"2026-10-31T05:42:18Z","speaker_name":"Fred A. Neil"},{"id":"seg_97710_18","meeting_id":"97710","media_asset_id":"med_97710_a0b6d813968b0577","agenda_item_id":null,"speaker_id":"spk_97710_dave_hugg","speaker_confidence":0.95,"start_sec":563.23,"end_sec":589.82,"text":"When you um when you ask people kind of what they expect, um the basic things that they they want they want the water to run, they want the sewer to go away, they want the lights to stay on, you know, they want somebody to respond when there's a fire, um they want their building that they live in not to fall down. Those are the kinds of things. They're the bricks and mortar, stuff on the ground. You know, the the phone call in the morning is there's a pothole in front of my house and it's full of water, so it must be a water main break, and and and that and that kind of uh that kind of thing. So, those are those are what people tend to look to us for, but they also ask us to do that effectively and efficiently. Next slide. I I touched on this","topics_json":"[\"budget\",\"public_safety\"]","vector_id":"vec_seg_97710_18","created_at":"2026-10-31T05:42:18Z","speaker_name":"Dave Hugg"},{"id":"seg_97710_180","meeting_id":"97710","media_asset_id":"med_97710_a0b6d813968b0577","agenda_item_id":null,"speaker_id":"spk_97710_kay_sass","speaker_confidence":0.9,"start_sec":4705.19,"end_sec":4705.62,"text":"Right.","topics_json":"[\"public_safety\"]","vector_id":"vec_seg_97710_180","created_at":"2026-10-31T05:42:18Z","speaker_name":"Kay Sass"},{"id":"seg_97710_181","meeting_id":"97710","media_asset_id":"med_97710_a0b6d813968b0577","agenda_item_id":null,"speaker_id":"off_fred_a_neil","speaker_confidence":0.95,"start_sec":4705.62,"end_sec":4706.42,"text":"I yield. Thank you.","topics_json":"[]","vector_id":"vec_seg_97710_181","created_at":"2026-10-31T05:42:18Z","speaker_name":"Fred A. Neil"},{"id":"seg_97710_182","meeting_id":"97710","media_asset_id":"med_97710_a0b6d813968b0577","agenda_item_id":null,"speaker_id":"off_andre_m_boggerty","speaker_confidence":0.95,"start_sec":4706.42,"end_sec":4718.55,"text":"Thank you. And thank you for your presentation. And and thank you for all the hard work that all of the staff members and organizational citizens of of the city of Dover have uh, you know, done and performed and and covering each other. That's a great way to, you know, be Team Dover and and actually represent Team Dover and not say it. Um my one question is in in your view, uh when we talk about","topics_json":"[\"public_safety\"]","vector_id":"vec_seg_97710_182","created_at":"2026-10-31T05:42:18Z","speaker_name":"Andre M. Boggerty"},{"id":"seg_97710_183","meeting_id":"97710","media_asset_id":"med_97710_a0b6d813968b0577","agenda_item_id":null,"speaker_id":"off_gerald_l_rocha_sr","speaker_confidence":0.95,"start_sec":4718.55,"end_sec":4806.07,"text":"What solutions for, you know, closing What are some of the solutions for closing the gap of feeling burnout? And what areas do we as Council need to focus on or as an organization and municipalities and governing not only our constituents, but also, um, our workforce, uh, to avoid some of these sentiments and feelings of being burned out and fatigued? What can What can we do in your view, um, that would, not we We already know that we appreciate what what all of you are doing when you step up and, you know, fill in the gap. But how can we go even further, um, without, you know, um, you know, hurting the constituents financially? Because I know, you know, money Time is money, money is time, right? But the same time, what else could we do? Could Could maybe some flexibility in, um, workplace policies, like a like a maybe a day off or work from home. You know, I've been a I've been a big, uh, advocate for, you know, working from home, remote working, or, you know, something of that effect. In your view, you've been here many years, you're very seasoned, and we and we respect, uh, your wisdom and dedication and insight, and your connections with with our workforce, um, and you you and others. So just in in in your view, um, what what do you think something not makes small, but at the same time, significant that we can do to show our appreciation and reduce, mitigate some of that, uh, you know, that fatigueness and that feeling of being burned out?","topics_json":"[]","vector_id":"vec_seg_97710_183","created_at":"2026-10-31T05:42:18Z","speaker_name":"Gerald L. Rocha, Sr."},{"id":"seg_97710_184","meeting_id":"97710","media_asset_id":"med_97710_a0b6d813968b0577","agenda_item_id":null,"speaker_id":"spk_97710_kay_sass","speaker_confidence":0.9,"start_sec":4806.07,"end_sec":4915.15,"text":"So, I think some of this is best answered by Naomi when she does her presentation, um, just because it is, it's, you know, it's not just departmentally, it's across the gamut with everyone. I think a very simple thing, and it may not be a popular opinion of folks, but I think a very simple thing is give grace. You know, I think too many times in this world, we're too quick to to point fingers, we're too quick to get online and make comments. And, you know, this past week, I dealt with, uh, fire marshals, public works, grounds with Parks and Rec, water, wastewater, electric, clerk's office, assistant city manager, city manager, police, fire, and more. You know, every single person, so every single department, it seemed, was, uh, in this whole thing. And yet you go out on social media or you get these phone calls, and they're just so nasty. I understand things may not be to everybody's liking, but God bless, give grace. You know, that doesn't cost anybody anything, and everybody has worked very hard this last week. And, you know, you've got police officers out in the cold, and you've got our public works crews out shoveling and breaking up inches and inches of ice. And it's not out of lack of caring. You have an incredible workforce here. Everybody that I come across, everybody that I interact with regularly is here because they really enjoy their job and/or the people. You know, we work with some of the best folks that I'll forever be friends with even after I'm long gone from the City of Dover, and I'm grateful for that. But I think that's the number one thing, you know: support staff. As elected officials, when things are going awry, support staff. Know that that you have put your faith in a crew, in a in a community of crews, that are here to do what's in the best interest, and and support that. Keep your expectations to the point of what can be done with the limited resources we have. Even, you know, it's it's It'd be great to be able to get grants for everything, but the amount of time spent applying for grants, the amount of time spent then administering those grants and reporting those, it's not a simple task. It takes a lot of time, it takes a lot of of effort and additional resources that we","topics_json":"[\"public_safety\"]","vector_id":"vec_seg_97710_184","created_at":"2026-10-31T05:42:18Z","speaker_name":"Kay Sass"},{"id":"seg_97710_185","meeting_id":"97710","media_asset_id":"med_97710_a0b6d813968b0577","agenda_item_id":null,"speaker_id":"spk_97710_kay_sass","speaker_confidence":0.9,"start_sec":4915.16,"end_sec":4920.56,"text":"don't necessarily have it goes back to doing a lot more with a lot less. So I think overall give grace.","topics_json":"[]","vector_id":"vec_seg_97710_185","created_at":"2026-10-31T05:42:18Z","speaker_name":"Kay Sass"},{"id":"seg_97710_186","meeting_id":"97710","media_asset_id":"med_97710_a0b6d813968b0577","agenda_item_id":null,"speaker_id":"off_gerald_l_rocha_sr","speaker_confidence":0.8,"start_sec":4920.56,"end_sec":4921.96,"text":"Thank you. I yield.","topics_json":"[]","vector_id":"vec_seg_97710_186","created_at":"2026-10-31T05:42:18Z","speaker_name":"Gerald L. Rocha, Sr."},{"id":"seg_97710_187","meeting_id":"97710","media_asset_id":"med_97710_a0b6d813968b0577","agenda_item_id":null,"speaker_id":"spk_97710_kay_sass","speaker_confidence":0.9,"start_sec":4921.96,"end_sec":4924.96,"text":"Thank you. Yes? Hello, Mr. Boggerty?","topics_json":"[]","vector_id":"vec_seg_97710_187","created_at":"2026-10-31T05:42:18Z","speaker_name":"Kay Sass"},{"id":"seg_97710_188","meeting_id":"97710","media_asset_id":"med_97710_a0b6d813968b0577","agenda_item_id":null,"speaker_id":"off_andre_m_boggerty","speaker_confidence":0.95,"start_sec":4924.96,"end_sec":4975.16,"text":"Hey, Kay. I have a question. Um some time ago when there was an opportunity to talk about relationship with the uh with the fire department and the ambulance, um one of the things that uh with the committee was if there's an MOU that would allow that relationship to uh give us and I can in my in my front part I could be slightly wrong. I know if there was an MOU or working animal that then we would qualify for funding from the state with red light cameras or something like that. Again, the nuance could be wrong, but I understand that there was a benefit with an established relationship with the if if the ambulance fell under the fire. Would Is that Does that Does that sound familiar?","topics_json":"[\"public_safety\"]","vector_id":"vec_seg_97710_188","created_at":"2026-10-31T05:42:18Z","speaker_name":"Andre M. Boggerty"},{"id":"seg_97710_189","meeting_id":"97710","media_asset_id":"med_97710_a0b6d813968b0577","agenda_item_id":null,"speaker_id":"spk_97710_kay_sass","speaker_confidence":0.95,"start_sec":4975.16,"end_sec":5036.36,"text":"Yes, it does. Partially correct. So it's the volunteer services, right? Um and when when they administer the both the police and the—or I'm sorry, the fire and the ambulance, i.e. EMS, um which is not the way ours is set up. And there's been other conversations that aren't necessarily this is not necessarily the arena to have that conversation, um and I wouldn't want to—","topics_json":"[\"public_safety\"]","vector_id":"vec_seg_97710_189","created_at":"2026-10-31T05:42:18Z","speaker_name":"Kay Sass"},{"id":"seg_97710_19","meeting_id":"97710","media_asset_id":"med_97710_a0b6d813968b0577","agenda_item_id":null,"speaker_id":"spk_97710_city_staff","speaker_confidence":0.8,"start_sec":589.82,"end_sec":624.22,"text":"just a little bit, um, friends across the street, there are a lot of things that they've mandated to us, particularly in the last year or two: the whole reassessment mess and what how that's going to impact how we calculate revenues, how we assess properties. Uh, last year, they they passed an ordinance or a law requiring that, as part of our planning, we we we uh implement certain regulations and restrictions relating to ADA parking requirements. This is one of these this is how you're going to do it orders from the state, but there's no money coming with it. This is we got to do it. Um, we can certainly talk about forever and ever chemicals which is imposed on us by federal and state funds. The NPDES stormwater program. You know, we're we're left to implement one, we're left to figure out how our our citizens pay for it, but somebody else told us what we have to do and potentially could fine us if we don't. This year in the General Assembly, they're looking at a ordinance or law relating to accessory buildings. They're looking at renewable energy and other energy needs.","topics_json":"[\"budget\",\"taxes\",\"zoning\"]","vector_id":"vec_seg_97710_19","created_at":"2026-10-31T05:42:18Z","speaker_name":null},{"id":"seg_97710_190","meeting_id":"97710","media_asset_id":"med_97710_a0b6d813968b0577","agenda_item_id":null,"speaker_id":"off_andre_m_boggerty","speaker_confidence":0.95,"start_sec":5036.36,"end_sec":5037.96,"text":"Yeah, I yield back. I'm fine.","topics_json":"[\"public_safety\"]","vector_id":"vec_seg_97710_190","created_at":"2026-10-31T05:42:18Z","speaker_name":"Andre M. Boggerty"},{"id":"seg_97710_191","meeting_id":"97710","media_asset_id":"med_97710_a0b6d813968b0577","agenda_item_id":null,"speaker_id":"spk_97710_kay_sass","speaker_confidence":0.95,"start_sec":5037.96,"end_sec":5039.56,"text":"Yeah, I thank you.","topics_json":"[]","vector_id":"vec_seg_97710_191","created_at":"2026-10-31T05:42:18Z","speaker_name":"Kay Sass"},{"id":"seg_97710_192","meeting_id":"97710","media_asset_id":"med_97710_a0b6d813968b0577","agenda_item_id":null,"speaker_id":"off_andre_m_boggerty","speaker_confidence":0.95,"start_sec":5039.56,"end_sec":5043.16,"text":"Thank you, Kay. Okay. All right, I just wanted to I did Thank you. I yield.","topics_json":"[]","vector_id":"vec_seg_97710_192","created_at":"2026-10-31T05:42:18Z","speaker_name":"Andre M. Boggerty"},{"id":"seg_97710_193","meeting_id":"97710","media_asset_id":"med_97710_a0b6d813968b0577","agenda_item_id":null,"speaker_id":"spk_97710_kay_sass","speaker_confidence":0.95,"start_sec":5043.16,"end_sec":5044.36,"text":"Appreciate it.","topics_json":"[]","vector_id":"vec_seg_97710_193","created_at":"2026-10-31T05:42:18Z","speaker_name":"Kay Sass"},{"id":"seg_97710_194","meeting_id":"97710","media_asset_id":"med_97710_a0b6d813968b0577","agenda_item_id":null,"speaker_id":"off_fred_a_neil","speaker_confidence":0.95,"start_sec":5044.36,"end_sec":5056.66,"text":"Thank you, Kay. And go ahead move ahead and and uh if if uh Mr. Lewis has has a question we can uh deal with it offline. So the next group is the next presentation is Finance, our controller treasurer, Ms. Marney, and you're on.","topics_json":"[\"budget\"]","vector_id":"vec_seg_97710_194","created_at":"2026-10-31T05:42:18Z","speaker_name":"Fred A. Neil"},{"id":"seg_97710_195","meeting_id":"97710","media_asset_id":"med_97710_a0b6d813968b0577","agenda_item_id":null,"speaker_id":"spk_97710_patricia_marney","speaker_confidence":0.95,"start_sec":5056.66,"end_sec":5111.76,"text":"Well, hello. I chose to keep my uh presentation very brief because I I am fully aware that usually Electric, which Paul has uh has stepped out, is uh the star of the show so to speak. I find it interesting that cash cow was brought up. I was kind of miss hearing that uh that phrase sometime. All right. So giving the uh 5,000-ft view as Mr. Hugg uh so eloquently put it in his request for our reporting. The Finance Department has many functions uh where we're supporting the city manager and other departments. Just like everyone else, we are ultimately responsible for reporting fiduciary have fiduciary responsibilities to the Dover citizens. That's uh a role that I take very seriously as does my staff. So, some uh key key points uh that I wanted to address, again, you're going to hear this repetitively from many of the departments as far as challenging challenges is staffing. Staffing and recruiting has been a significant challenge for me over the last couple of years. We've utilized temporary agencies and recruitment agencies to fill the gap, but with that comes constant training and turnover. We've had uh a lot of turnover in our payroll area. Fortunately, knock on wood, we have a wonderful individual who comes to us with a strong accounting background and a master's degree. So she's working a little below her skill set, but that is something that we—","topics_json":"[\"budget\"]","vector_id":"vec_seg_97710_195","created_at":"2026-10-31T05:42:18Z","speaker_name":"Patricia Marney"},{"id":"seg_97710_196","meeting_id":"97710","media_asset_id":"med_97710_a0b6d813968b0577","agenda_item_id":null,"speaker_id":"spk_97710_finance_staff","speaker_confidence":0.85,"start_sec":5111.76,"end_sec":5227.36,"text":"we really need it. Now, when I say that, some of our salary points for the finance department are lower than what the market bears. You've seen some of the some of the recruitments that come back to us and they want six figures. We can't match that. So there's there's a constant training issue and a gap there that we're trying to fill fill the fill the void. So like many of our departments, we are stretched very thin in being able to meet the demands, which leads to my next challenge, which is the ability to respond to audit demands timely with departmental support. You know, no one likes to hear the word audit, but when when auditors ask a question, we have to be able to respond timely. And that leads to opportunity. I see that we do have some opportunities within the city to improve our technology bases that can help us meet those demands more clearly. And also just want to give a shout-out to Joe, wherever he is. Thank you, Joe, for getting Munis the Munis upgrade done so we could actually get W-2s and 1099s out on time.","topics_json":"[\"budget\"]","vector_id":"vec_seg_97710_196","created_at":"2026-10-31T05:42:18Z","speaker_name":null},{"id":"seg_97710_197","meeting_id":"97710","media_asset_id":"med_97710_a0b6d813968b0577","agenda_item_id":null,"speaker_id":"spk_97710_finance_staff","speaker_confidence":0.85,"start_sec":5227.36,"end_sec":5266.86,"text":"My question from Council, we have several things that we're working for towards budget, and Mr. Hugg has made those made those notations. But my direction or my questions for Council are what directions and goals do you want for the finance department so that we can serve the city and the citizens better? We will continue to have policy reviews both internally and ex- for externally, internal controls especially. Of course, the draft audit, ACFR, was presented for this week's Leg and Fin meeting that was put off, but there are some audit considerations that I would like to discuss with Council at that time when it's reviewed. But with that, I am open to questions.","topics_json":"[\"budget\"]","vector_id":"vec_seg_97710_197","created_at":"2026-10-31T05:42:18Z","speaker_name":null},{"id":"seg_97710_198","meeting_id":"97710","media_asset_id":"med_97710_a0b6d813968b0577","agenda_item_id":null,"speaker_id":"off_fred_a_neil","speaker_confidence":0.95,"start_sec":5266.86,"end_sec":5271.16,"text":"Any questions? You have a question, Mr. Anderson? Okay. All right.","topics_json":"[]","vector_id":"vec_seg_97710_198","created_at":"2026-10-31T05:42:18Z","speaker_name":"Fred A. Neil"},{"id":"seg_97710_199","meeting_id":"97710","media_asset_id":"med_97710_a0b6d813968b0577","agenda_item_id":null,"speaker_id":"off_david_l_anderson","speaker_confidence":0.9,"start_sec":5271.16,"end_sec":5276.26,"text":"And thank you for getting us back on schedule, more or less.","topics_json":"[]","vector_id":"vec_seg_97710_199","created_at":"2026-10-31T05:42:18Z","speaker_name":"David L. Anderson"},{"id":"seg_97710_2","meeting_id":"97710","media_asset_id":"med_97710_a0b6d813968b0577","agenda_item_id":null,"speaker_id":"off_fred_a_neil","speaker_confidence":0.95,"start_sec":4.19,"end_sec":12.63,"text":"Yes. Please, Mr. Hugg. If you will, if I may make a few remarks before we start in terms of welcome.","topics_json":"[]","vector_id":"vec_seg_97710_2","created_at":"2026-10-31T05:42:18Z","speaker_name":"Fred A. Neil"},{"id":"seg_97710_20","meeting_id":"97710","media_asset_id":"med_97710_a0b6d813968b0577","agenda_item_id":null,"speaker_id":"spk_97710_city_staff","speaker_confidence":0.8,"start_sec":624.22,"end_sec":663.35,"text":"Paul, I don't know, I think the last time you and I looked there were 18 pieces of legislation pending this year in the General Assembly dealing with energy in some form or the other. Fortunately, a lot of them are aimed at DP&L, but there's, you know, we're here trying to run an efficient enterprise fund enterprise program, and somebody else across the street who isn't in the energy business seems to know how how we should be doing it. That's a risk. And then there's others. There's the new DSHA requirements for permitting and zoning. There's the cross-connection control program. The list could go on. These are these are examples of of things that drive our budget process that we may not have a lot of control over. Moving on, one of the one of the things we also took a look at and I'll thank Councilman Anderson for previewing this couple of slides the other night at council meeting.","topics_json":"[\"budget\",\"zoning\"]","vector_id":"vec_seg_97710_20","created_at":"2026-10-31T05:42:18Z","speaker_name":null},{"id":"seg_97710_200","meeting_id":"97710","media_asset_id":"med_97710_a0b6d813968b0577","agenda_item_id":null,"speaker_id":"off_fred_a_neil","speaker_confidence":0.95,"start_sec":5276.26,"end_sec":5281.36,"text":"Okay, what's next? Human Resources. Naomi, this is your your opportunity.","topics_json":"[]","vector_id":"vec_seg_97710_200","created_at":"2026-10-31T05:42:18Z","speaker_name":"Fred A. Neil"},{"id":"seg_97710_201","meeting_id":"97710","media_asset_id":"med_97710_a0b6d813968b0577","agenda_item_id":null,"speaker_id":"spk_97710_naomi_poole","speaker_confidence":0.9,"start_sec":5281.36,"end_sec":5282.96,"text":"Good morning, everyone.","topics_json":"[]","vector_id":"vec_seg_97710_201","created_at":"2026-10-31T05:42:18Z","speaker_name":"Naomi Poole"},{"id":"seg_97710_202","meeting_id":"97710","media_asset_id":"med_97710_a0b6d813968b0577","agenda_item_id":null,"speaker_id":"off_fred_a_neil","speaker_confidence":0.95,"start_sec":5282.96,"end_sec":5284.86,"text":"Good morning. Go.","topics_json":"[]","vector_id":"vec_seg_97710_202","created_at":"2026-10-31T05:42:18Z","speaker_name":"Fred A. Neil"},{"id":"seg_97710_203","meeting_id":"97710","media_asset_id":"med_97710_a0b6d813968b0577","agenda_item_id":null,"speaker_id":"spk_97710_naomi_poole","speaker_confidence":0.9,"start_sec":5284.86,"end_sec":5308.36,"text":"All right, so I'm just going to give a quick overview of HR and what we do. Human Resources supports every department and every employee in the city. Our role is to ensure that people are hired, paid, supported, and managed in a way that's fair, consistent, and compliant with law and policy. We oversee recruitment and onboarding, benefits, retirement, administration, employee relations, and coordination with payroll and leave programs. Just as importantly, HR serves as a control function, helping the city apply policy consistently, prevent errors before they occur, and reduce legal and financial risks. When HR is involved early and equipped with the right tools, we help with the organization running smoothly and avoid costly mistakes, and that's the value that HR brings, not just administration, but stability, accountability, and protection for the city and its employees. Currently, we're working on an HRIS-ATS system, and we're working on an implementation, which it has become a very important","topics_json":"[]","vector_id":"vec_seg_97710_203","created_at":"2026-10-31T05:42:18Z","speaker_name":"Naomi Poole"},{"id":"seg_97710_204","meeting_id":"97710","media_asset_id":"med_97710_a0b6d813968b0577","agenda_item_id":null,"speaker_id":"spk_97710_ms_poole","speaker_confidence":0.95,"start_sec":5308.37,"end_sec":5454.77,"text":"important, uh, priority. Uh, the system will support the full employee life cycle, so from recruitment and onboarding to pay, benefits, and retirement. When implemented correctly, it will improve, uh, efficiency, communication, collaboration, and follow-up for both candidates and internal employees. Um, and it certainly modernizes how we serve people and strengthening strengthens the city's, uh, operations. Uh, from a fiscal standpoint, the city has invested more than $50,000 in this system. Um, so it's critical that the implementation is done, uh, thoughtfully and built correctly to ensure that we receive the full value of its investment. Uh, so when we talk about challenges, my primary challenge is, um, is being impacted, uh, regarding this project, um, in its operational readiness, uh, specifically system access. Since the summer, HR has been actively building and configuring the system with full administrative access. Uh, approximately 3 weeks ago, that access was modified without prior discussion, uh, and/or clarification. HR is now operating with limited permissions, and certain configuration and testing steps require, um, requesting access from another department. When that access is unavailable, progress pauses. This has slowed the build process, and it has placed the February implementation timeline timeline at risk. The issue is not the technology itself. It's the ability for HR to independently configure, test, and support the system in real time. For HR to be accountable for outcomes that affect every employee, responsibility and access must align. And when they don't, delays occur, and risk increases. My priority is simple: it's to ensure that system is implemented successfully without disruption to employees and in a way that delivers on the city's investment. The solution is alignment. Um, because this is an HR system and HR is responsible for its outcomes, HR must have full system access to remove barriers, complete the build efficiently, and support employees effectively. Strong leadership is not defined by oversight alone, but by empowerment. Uh, when leaders are held accountable for results, they must also be equipped with the tools and access necessary to deliver them. When responsibility and access are aligned, systems succeed and people thrive. I'm open to any questions if you have any.","topics_json":"[\"budget\"]","vector_id":"vec_seg_97710_204","created_at":"2026-10-31T05:42:18Z","speaker_name":"Ms. Poole"},{"id":"seg_97710_205","meeting_id":"97710","media_asset_id":"med_97710_a0b6d813968b0577","agenda_item_id":null,"speaker_id":"off_fred_a_neil","speaker_confidence":0.85,"start_sec":5454.77,"end_sec":5456.37,"text":"Yep, Mr. Rocha.","topics_json":"[]","vector_id":"vec_seg_97710_205","created_at":"2026-10-31T05:42:18Z","speaker_name":"Fred A. 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Rocha, Sr."},{"id":"seg_97710_208","meeting_id":"97710","media_asset_id":"med_97710_a0b6d813968b0577","agenda_item_id":null,"speaker_id":"off_gerald_l_rocha_sr","speaker_confidence":0.95,"start_sec":5458.97,"end_sec":5478.87,"text":"Ms. Poole, I, I, I do, uh, hear, uh, what you're saying as far as, uh, th- the the, uh, alignable process to to get this off the ground and and running before any deadlines. And I know there's other hiccups that's getting in the way right now with the ne- the new consultant that's coming on board, right, if I'm using the term correctly. A new...","topics_json":"[]","vector_id":"vec_seg_97710_208","created_at":"2026-10-31T05:42:18Z","speaker_name":"Gerald L. Rocha, Sr."},{"id":"seg_97710_209","meeting_id":"97710","media_asset_id":"med_97710_a0b6d813968b0577","agenda_item_id":null,"speaker_id":"spk_97710_ms_poole","speaker_confidence":0.95,"start_sec":5478.87,"end_sec":5481.67,"text":"We have a new consultant, but there's no hiccups regarding that.","topics_json":"[]","vector_id":"vec_seg_97710_209","created_at":"2026-10-31T05:42:18Z","speaker_name":"Ms. Poole"},{"id":"seg_97710_21","meeting_id":"97710","media_asset_id":"med_97710_a0b6d813968b0577","agenda_item_id":null,"speaker_id":"spk_97710_city_staff","speaker_confidence":0.8,"start_sec":678.06,"end_sec":727.75,"text":"Uh, the powers that the city has come from a number of sources. The first one, and the most important one, are the duties that are set forth in the city charter. And the city charter is state law, the General Assembly passes the charter. And and these are things that we are entitled to do. They're enumerated. Uh, and I'll just touch on a couple of them: abate nuisances, provide fire protection, uh, create city planning and zoning, operate light, power, water plants, etcetera. This is kind of the basic these are our basic responsibilities. And the and the, uh, definitions in the in the in the charter are basically fairly straightforward. You know, we want you to do these kinds of things. Kind of out of order here, I think. Broad powers, yeah. Go Go to the next slide. I jumped ahead of something. Go ahead. Next. There we go.","topics_json":"[\"zoning\",\"public_safety\"]","vector_id":"vec_seg_97710_21","created_at":"2026-10-31T05:42:18Z","speaker_name":null},{"id":"seg_97710_210","meeting_id":"97710","media_asset_id":"med_97710_a0b6d813968b0577","agenda_item_id":null,"speaker_id":"off_gerald_l_rocha_sr","speaker_confidence":0.95,"start_sec":5481.67,"end_sec":5482.97,"text":"No hiccups regarding that. 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And and and really, I think, uh, when I became aware of it as as an employee liaison, um, that should have taken place before that. Um, so, you know, I don't know who wants to take that on, but what is the breakdown with, you know, helping Ms. Poole get what she needs?","topics_json":"[]","vector_id":"vec_seg_97710_213","created_at":"2026-10-31T05:42:18Z","speaker_name":"Roy Sudler, Jr."},{"id":"seg_97710_214","meeting_id":"97710","media_asset_id":"med_97710_a0b6d813968b0577","agenda_item_id":null,"speaker_id":"spk_97710_naomi_poole","speaker_confidence":0.95,"start_sec":5539,"end_sec":5584.96,"text":"Well, I think the the the other issue at hand is, and what I've been told to do is, is just go through the motions of trying to complete the build, and if there's anything that I need, then request what it is that I need. So, again, that's a barrier in the process of getting things done. Why do I have to piecemeal as opposed to just having the full access and get through the build so that we can have this implementation happen? And this is what I say, it's very important that leaders get all the tools that they need to be successful. And if we're going to talk about challenges, I don't have all the necessary tools.","topics_json":"[]","vector_id":"vec_seg_97710_214","created_at":"2026-10-31T05:42:18Z","speaker_name":"Naomi Poole"},{"id":"seg_97710_215","meeting_id":"97710","media_asset_id":"med_97710_a0b6d813968b0577","agenda_item_id":null,"speaker_id":"off_roy_sudler_jr","speaker_confidence":0.95,"start_sec":5584.96,"end_sec":5586.88,"text":"Okay, so were you given the reasons why?","topics_json":"[]","vector_id":"vec_seg_97710_215","created_at":"2026-10-31T05:42:18Z","speaker_name":"Roy Sudler, Jr."},{"id":"seg_97710_216","meeting_id":"97710","media_asset_id":"med_97710_a0b6d813968b0577","agenda_item_id":null,"speaker_id":"spk_97710_naomi_poole","speaker_confidence":0.95,"start_sec":5586.88,"end_sec":5587.25,"text":"No.","topics_json":"[]","vector_id":"vec_seg_97710_216","created_at":"2026-10-31T05:42:18Z","speaker_name":"Naomi Poole"},{"id":"seg_97710_217","meeting_id":"97710","media_asset_id":"med_97710_a0b6d813968b0577","agenda_item_id":null,"speaker_id":"off_roy_sudler_jr","speaker_confidence":0.95,"start_sec":5587.25,"end_sec":5597.19,"text":"Okay, that that needs to probably occur. Um, and and, um, we have to figure it out cuz there is a snag with the permissions. There is a snag when it comes to what your access is allowable and what's not, you know what I mean? But there is a way to do it from your HR perspective.","topics_json":"[]","vector_id":"vec_seg_97710_217","created_at":"2026-10-31T05:42:18Z","speaker_name":"Roy Sudler, Jr."},{"id":"seg_97710_218","meeting_id":"97710","media_asset_id":"med_97710_a0b6d813968b0577","agenda_item_id":null,"speaker_id":"spk_97710_naomi_poole","speaker_confidence":0.95,"start_sec":5597.19,"end_sec":5649.35,"text":"Well, I think the question is is who decides that? And I think that's where we have to figure out who decides that and and how does that impact the HR department in doing what they need to do, um, from an accountability standpoint, to get the job done? This is a 90% HR, uh, implementation. We are taking care of recruitment. We are taking care of, um, benefits. We are taking care of onboarding. And in order to build this system properly, we need the full access. We can't have pie- bits and pieces and also wait for permissions, especially if somebody is not present that day and I have to wait. That's that's that's that's a boundary that's crossing at this point that we can't we can't work through. Any questions?","topics_json":"[]","vector_id":"vec_seg_97710_218","created_at":"2026-10-31T05:42:18Z","speaker_name":"Naomi Poole"},{"id":"seg_97710_219","meeting_id":"97710","media_asset_id":"med_97710_a0b6d813968b0577","agenda_item_id":null,"speaker_id":"off_roy_sudler_jr","speaker_confidence":0.95,"start_sec":5649.35,"end_sec":5650.78,"text":"Whoa, whoa, whoa, we ain't done yet.","topics_json":"[]","vector_id":"vec_seg_97710_219","created_at":"2026-10-31T05:42:18Z","speaker_name":"Roy Sudler, Jr."},{"id":"seg_97710_22","meeting_id":"97710","media_asset_id":"med_97710_a0b6d813968b0577","agenda_item_id":null,"speaker_id":"spk_97710_city_staff","speaker_confidence":0.8,"start_sec":727.75,"end_sec":733.77,"text":"Uh, the second the second area where we get authority is, after the General Assembly, after our charter says, \"These are the things you basically must do.\" Yeah, back off one, please. There you go.","topics_json":"[]","vector_id":"vec_seg_97710_22","created_at":"2026-10-31T05:42:18Z","speaker_name":null},{"id":"seg_97710_220","meeting_id":"97710","media_asset_id":"med_97710_a0b6d813968b0577","agenda_item_id":null,"speaker_id":"spk_97710_naomi_poole","speaker_confidence":0.95,"start_sec":5650.78,"end_sec":5651.4,"text":"Okay, I thought you...","topics_json":"[]","vector_id":"vec_seg_97710_220","created_at":"2026-10-31T05:42:18Z","speaker_name":"Naomi Poole"},{"id":"seg_97710_221","meeting_id":"97710","media_asset_id":"med_97710_a0b6d813968b0577","agenda_item_id":null,"speaker_id":"off_roy_sudler_jr","speaker_confidence":0.95,"start_sec":5651.4,"end_sec":5655.94,"text":"No, no, no, no, no, no, no. What, my question was, what is it going to take to get Naomi what she needs?","topics_json":"[]","vector_id":"vec_seg_97710_221","created_at":"2026-10-31T05:42:18Z","speaker_name":"Roy Sudler, Jr."},{"id":"seg_97710_222","meeting_id":"97710","media_asset_id":"med_97710_a0b6d813968b0577","agenda_item_id":null,"speaker_id":"spk_97710_david_l_hugg","speaker_confidence":0.95,"start_sec":5655.94,"end_sec":5660.03,"text":"Uh, it's my understanding that those discussions are underway or have been underway. I've not been part of them.","topics_json":"[]","vector_id":"vec_seg_97710_222","created_at":"2026-10-31T05:42:18Z","speaker_name":"David L. Hugg"},{"id":"seg_97710_223","meeting_id":"97710","media_asset_id":"med_97710_a0b6d813968b0577","agenda_item_id":null,"speaker_id":"off_roy_sudler_jr","speaker_confidence":0.95,"start_sec":5660.03,"end_sec":5660.72,"text":"Well, then tell us what it is.","topics_json":"[]","vector_id":"vec_seg_97710_223","created_at":"2026-10-31T05:42:18Z","speaker_name":"Roy Sudler, Jr."},{"id":"seg_97710_224","meeting_id":"97710","media_asset_id":"med_97710_a0b6d813968b0577","agenda_item_id":null,"speaker_id":"spk_97710_david_l_hugg","speaker_confidence":0.95,"start_sec":5660.72,"end_sec":5694.69,"text":"Well, I don't know. I mean, I look around my IT director and others. Um, that it's something that needs to get worked out, I agree. Um, and I I don't want to venture and say, well, she should or should not have full access cuz I don't know enough about the system to to know what that means, but...","topics_json":"[]","vector_id":"vec_seg_97710_224","created_at":"2026-10-31T05:42:18Z","speaker_name":"David L. Hugg"},{"id":"seg_97710_225","meeting_id":"97710","media_asset_id":"med_97710_a0b6d813968b0577","agenda_item_id":null,"speaker_id":"spk_97710_naomi_poole","speaker_confidence":0.95,"start_sec":5694.69,"end_sec":5701.08,"text":"We have an implementation date of February 1st that's not going to happen because I don't have the access that I need. I made it known three weeks ago that I don't have the access, and we still don't have a resolve.","topics_json":"[]","vector_id":"vec_seg_97710_225","created_at":"2026-10-31T05:42:18Z","speaker_name":"Naomi Poole"},{"id":"seg_97710_226","meeting_id":"97710","media_asset_id":"med_97710_a0b6d813968b0577","agenda_item_id":null,"speaker_id":"off_fred_a_neil","speaker_confidence":0.85,"start_sec":5701.08,"end_sec":5701.58,"text":"All right. We will get...","topics_json":"[]","vector_id":"vec_seg_97710_226","created_at":"2026-10-31T05:42:18Z","speaker_name":"Fred A. Neil"},{"id":"seg_97710_227","meeting_id":"97710","media_asset_id":"med_97710_a0b6d813968b0577","agenda_item_id":null,"speaker_id":"spk_97710_city_staff","speaker_confidence":0.9,"start_sec":5701.58,"end_sec":5702.29,"text":"on it. Thank you.","topics_json":"[]","vector_id":"vec_seg_97710_227","created_at":"2026-10-31T05:42:18Z","speaker_name":null},{"id":"seg_97710_228","meeting_id":"97710","media_asset_id":"med_97710_a0b6d813968b0577","agenda_item_id":null,"speaker_id":"off_fred_a_neil","speaker_confidence":0.95,"start_sec":5702.29,"end_sec":5703.71,"text":"All right. So, Lewis, did you have a question, sir?","topics_json":"[]","vector_id":"vec_seg_97710_228","created_at":"2026-10-31T05:42:18Z","speaker_name":"Fred A. Neil"},{"id":"seg_97710_229","meeting_id":"97710","media_asset_id":"med_97710_a0b6d813968b0577","agenda_item_id":null,"speaker_id":"off_brian_e_lewis","speaker_confidence":1,"start_sec":5703.71,"end_sec":5722.19,"text":"I do, and this is nothing personal. I know you do your job, and I got the highest respect for you, but I get people that call me and they ask me, like, we've had jobs posted for, like, some over a year now, and they ask me, how come these jobs have not been filled, number one? And then I get other complaints and calls that, I put in for this position and I wasn't even called, you know, and the job's been posted for a year. So could you just elaborate on that, if you don't mind?","topics_json":"[]","vector_id":"vec_seg_97710_229","created_at":"2026-10-31T05:42:18Z","speaker_name":"Brian E. Lewis"},{"id":"seg_97710_23","meeting_id":"97710","media_asset_id":"med_97710_a0b6d813968b0577","agenda_item_id":null,"speaker_id":"spk_97710_city_staff","speaker_confidence":0.8,"start_sec":733.77,"end_sec":782.89,"text":"Um, there's provision in in the charter in Article II basically says that the city has the authority to adopt ordinances of of every kind, uh, relating to the subject of of running the city. So we can adopt ordinances, those adopted by the council. Uh, they may or may not be state laws, they're predominantly a local local, uh, regulations and authority. There's some overlap, but the council adopts, um, ordinances related to how we govern the city to maintaining peace and order, um, to health, safety, and convenience of the population, um, and so forth, uh, property management and maintenance, those kinds those kinds of things. Now you can do the next slide. Yeah, next slide. Okay.","topics_json":"[\"public_safety\"]","vector_id":"vec_seg_97710_23","created_at":"2026-10-31T05:42:18Z","speaker_name":null},{"id":"seg_97710_230","meeting_id":"97710","media_asset_id":"med_97710_a0b6d813968b0577","agenda_item_id":null,"speaker_id":"spk_97710_city_staff","speaker_confidence":0.95,"start_sec":5722.19,"end_sec":5771.81,"text":"I sure can. We are working with antiquated systems, so what I'm suggesting at this point is, is we are in the middle of an implementation build to eradicate all of those issues. This system is going to allow us to communicate to candidates who apply. It's going to allow us to have that communication to be able to share it with hiring managers so that they can give real-time feedback. Um this system is going to just really open the doors uh regarding that communication with candidates.","topics_json":"[]","vector_id":"vec_seg_97710_230","created_at":"2026-10-31T05:42:18Z","speaker_name":null},{"id":"seg_97710_231","meeting_id":"97710","media_asset_id":"med_97710_a0b6d813968b0577","agenda_item_id":null,"speaker_id":"spk_97710_city_staff","speaker_confidence":0.95,"start_sec":5771.81,"end_sec":5800.24,"text":"Um it's difficult for us to do that in our stage right now because it's all manual. So imagine, um, you know, I've been in HR for over 20 years, I feel like I'm starting all over again. We're receiving uh actual paper applications. Um our candidates at this point, once the implementation build happens, are going to be able to apply online, and then they'll get real-time responses if they meet the qualifications or if they don't. And that's why it's so important that, and and why I'm bringing this up as a challenge, is that we get this underway so that we can solve the issues that some of your constituents that you are saying are experiencing will never experience again.","topics_json":"[]","vector_id":"vec_seg_97710_231","created_at":"2026-10-31T05:42:18Z","speaker_name":null},{"id":"seg_97710_232","meeting_id":"97710","media_asset_id":"med_97710_a0b6d813968b0577","agenda_item_id":null,"speaker_id":"off_brian_e_lewis","speaker_confidence":0.95,"start_sec":5800.24,"end_sec":5800.74,"text":"Thank you.","topics_json":"[]","vector_id":"vec_seg_97710_232","created_at":"2026-10-31T05:42:18Z","speaker_name":"Brian E. Lewis"},{"id":"seg_97710_233","meeting_id":"97710","media_asset_id":"med_97710_a0b6d813968b0577","agenda_item_id":null,"speaker_id":"off_fred_a_neil","speaker_confidence":0.95,"start_sec":5800.74,"end_sec":5801.38,"text":"Dr. Sudler?","topics_json":"[]","vector_id":"vec_seg_97710_233","created_at":"2026-10-31T05:42:18Z","speaker_name":"Fred A. Neil"},{"id":"seg_97710_234","meeting_id":"97710","media_asset_id":"med_97710_a0b6d813968b0577","agenda_item_id":null,"speaker_id":"off_roy_sudler_jr","speaker_confidence":1,"start_sec":5801.38,"end_sec":5862.22,"text":"Thank you. Uh just thank you for your for your expertise, professionalism, and your patience uh in just in general. Uh just quick question, or really a request. Um if maybe we could I sort of noticed a decrease in our organizational support activities for our employees. I'm just wondering if we could um try and find a way back to those little barbecues and those little moments of, you know, just um socializing amongst each other in the workplace. I think that really helped to boost uh morale. Uh it sort of goes back to what um Ms. Kays-Sass had presented uh in regards to grace, just give a little grace, and doesn't have to be big and significant. And I think part of uh giving a little grace, which I've heard they really appreciate, is um, you know, just, you know, a little barbecue or or some type of activity.","topics_json":"[]","vector_id":"vec_seg_97710_234","created_at":"2026-10-31T05:42:18Z","speaker_name":"Roy Sudler, Jr."},{"id":"seg_97710_235","meeting_id":"97710","media_asset_id":"med_97710_a0b6d813968b0577","agenda_item_id":null,"speaker_id":"off_roy_sudler_jr","speaker_confidence":1,"start_sec":5862.22,"end_sec":5885.68,"text":"So that's all I I have. I know you're on top of things, so I don't have any questions. [laughter] But yeah, you know, I got new sauce for y'all, you know. I got that fried fish. [laughter] I don't know, you know, I'm promoting Soulard Seasoning right now, no, I'm just joking, but seriously. Um you know, I I, everybody knows I enjoy it, and that's my way of giving back and showing appreciation. And um I think that, you know, that one little thing or other little things, even if we had like activity night or something, I don't know, but I just think that that's all work and and no play, I think that's, you know, you got to have just a little bit, but and and, but yeah, helps with boost morale. So that's all.","topics_json":"[]","vector_id":"vec_seg_97710_235","created_at":"2026-10-31T05:42:18Z","speaker_name":"Roy Sudler, Jr."},{"id":"seg_97710_236","meeting_id":"97710","media_asset_id":"med_97710_a0b6d813968b0577","agenda_item_id":null,"speaker_id":"spk_97710_city_staff","speaker_confidence":0.95,"start_sec":5885.68,"end_sec":5888.52,"text":"I strongly agree, yeah. And that's something that I'm sure we can try and build into the budget this year.","topics_json":"[\"budget\"]","vector_id":"vec_seg_97710_236","created_at":"2026-10-31T05:42:18Z","speaker_name":null},{"id":"seg_97710_237","meeting_id":"97710","media_asset_id":"med_97710_a0b6d813968b0577","agenda_item_id":null,"speaker_id":"off_roy_sudler_jr","speaker_confidence":0.95,"start_sec":5888.52,"end_sec":5889.38,"text":"Thank you. I yield.","topics_json":"[]","vector_id":"vec_seg_97710_237","created_at":"2026-10-31T05:42:18Z","speaker_name":"Roy Sudler, Jr."},{"id":"seg_97710_238","meeting_id":"97710","media_asset_id":"med_97710_a0b6d813968b0577","agenda_item_id":null,"speaker_id":"off_fred_a_neil","speaker_confidence":0.95,"start_sec":5889.38,"end_sec":5891.93,"text":"Thank you. So no other questions, we will move forward. What? Does David have a question? I'm sorry.","topics_json":"[]","vector_id":"vec_seg_97710_238","created_at":"2026-10-31T05:42:18Z","speaker_name":"Fred A. 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Um, I always I always, you know,","topics_json":"[]","vector_id":"vec_seg_97710_24","created_at":"2026-10-31T05:42:18Z","speaker_name":null},{"id":"seg_97710_240","meeting_id":"97710","media_asset_id":"med_97710_a0b6d813968b0577","agenda_item_id":null,"speaker_id":"off_fred_a_neil","speaker_confidence":0.95,"start_sec":5892.43,"end_sec":5894.07,"text":"I'm not very good at this, obviously. [laughter]","topics_json":"[]","vector_id":"vec_seg_97710_240","created_at":"2026-10-31T05:42:18Z","speaker_name":"Fred A. Neil"},{"id":"seg_97710_241","meeting_id":"97710","media_asset_id":"med_97710_a0b6d813968b0577","agenda_item_id":null,"speaker_id":"off_andre_m_boggerty","speaker_confidence":0.8,"start_sec":5894.07,"end_sec":5898.19,"text":"Hey, hey, that's you're doing a fine job, Mr. Chairman, and that's why that we got you there and him there.","topics_json":"[]","vector_id":"vec_seg_97710_241","created_at":"2026-10-31T05:42:18Z","speaker_name":"Andre M. Boggerty"},{"id":"seg_97710_242","meeting_id":"97710","media_asset_id":"med_97710_a0b6d813968b0577","agenda_item_id":null,"speaker_id":"off_brian_e_lewis","speaker_confidence":0.95,"start_sec":5898.19,"end_sec":5904.43,"text":"[laughter] But it's, uh, I have a, uh, well, for one, I, I, regarding that, I have two words: chili cookoff.","topics_json":"[]","vector_id":"vec_seg_97710_242","created_at":"2026-10-31T05:42:18Z","speaker_name":"Brian E. 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I hope somebody, uh, has it because it's, uh, traditionally, uh, we do it in the winter in the city.","topics_json":"[]","vector_id":"vec_seg_97710_248","created_at":"2026-10-31T05:42:18Z","speaker_name":"Brian E. Lewis"},{"id":"seg_97710_249","meeting_id":"97710","media_asset_id":"med_97710_a0b6d813968b0577","agenda_item_id":null,"speaker_id":"off_brian_e_lewis","speaker_confidence":0.95,"start_sec":5935.45,"end_sec":5985.69,"text":"Uh, but anyway, uh, the next, uh, question I've had regarding this and is, um, you've had problems before, you and Finance, uh, trying to get things with MissionSquare regarding the, uh, 401(k)s, the 457s, and the proper updates that are not only allowed by by law, but also mandated by city policy. Have Have those particular situations been resolved, uh, now that you you've had some time, you've had some new builds and, etc.?","topics_json":"[\"budget\"]","vector_id":"vec_seg_97710_249","created_at":"2026-10-31T05:42:18Z","speaker_name":"Brian E. 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So we can't have an army or or a navy, something of that nature. Um, but this really is very, very broad latitude and and uh uh it it's kind of, I guess it's probably where we uh if nothing else, where we would we would hang uh ordinances like some of the ones we're considering now that, you know, they're dealing with with uh uh, you know, uh public safety and and what have you. Okay. I'm going to shift gears at this point. Go to the next slide, please.","topics_json":"[\"public_safety\"]","vector_id":"vec_seg_97710_25","created_at":"2026-10-31T05:42:18Z","speaker_name":"Dave Hugg"},{"id":"seg_97710_250","meeting_id":"97710","media_asset_id":"med_97710_a0b6d813968b0577","agenda_item_id":null,"speaker_id":"spk_97710_kim_hawkins","speaker_confidence":0.9,"start_sec":5985.69,"end_sec":5990.3,"text":"Um, so regarding just how we're following all the the the plan documents and all of those things?","topics_json":"[\"budget\"]","vector_id":"vec_seg_97710_250","created_at":"2026-10-31T05:42:18Z","speaker_name":"Kim Hawkins"},{"id":"seg_97710_251","meeting_id":"97710","media_asset_id":"med_97710_a0b6d813968b0577","agenda_item_id":null,"speaker_id":"off_brian_e_lewis","speaker_confidence":0.95,"start_sec":5990.3,"end_sec":6001.56,"text":"Well, I know I know you do that all the time, but like there were were times when, um, like, for instance, there's been, that people are allowed to make changes and, but they've had trouble making changes that they are allowed to by federal law, that they're allowed to by city policy,","topics_json":"[\"budget\"]","vector_id":"vec_seg_97710_251","created_at":"2026-10-31T05:42:18Z","speaker_name":"Brian E. 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Because I know that you all have been working hard with them to make the system smoother.","topics_json":"[]","vector_id":"vec_seg_97710_254","created_at":"2026-10-31T05:42:18Z","speaker_name":"Brian E. 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Uh, I'm going to follow up on Mr. Lewis's, uh, question. I hope that if somebody's","topics_json":"[\"budget\"]","vector_id":"vec_seg_97710_259","created_at":"2026-10-31T05:42:18Z","speaker_name":"Fred A. Neil"},{"id":"seg_97710_26","meeting_id":"97710","media_asset_id":"med_97710_a0b6d813968b0577","agenda_item_id":null,"speaker_id":"spk_97710_dave_hugg","speaker_confidence":0.85,"start_sec":821.59,"end_sec":860.85,"text":"As I indicated to you, um trying to do something a little bit different this year, putting a little bit of more responsibility back on my department heads. Um each of them was given an assignment uh basically look at those six factors as it relates to their department: what their function is, assess how well we're doing it, what they see as challenges, what they see as opportunities, what's important from a budget standpoint, and what do they want the council to tell them, uh or tell us. Um so they're each going to get get 5 minutes. And their assignment was from that set of six considerations, what's the significant, most important thing they want you to go away from from this meeting today. We're going to start see who we're going to start with.","topics_json":"[\"budget\"]","vector_id":"vec_seg_97710_26","created_at":"2026-10-31T05:42:18Z","speaker_name":"Dave Hugg"},{"id":"seg_97710_260","meeting_id":"97710","media_asset_id":"med_97710_a0b6d813968b0577","agenda_item_id":null,"speaker_id":"off_fred_a_neil","speaker_confidence":0.95,"start_sec":6094.79,"end_sec":6187.29,"text":"is coming in now or in the future with a paper document of employment, that they will not sit. Because some people will do that, they will probably still deal in paper. So they need the same courtesy that he was referring to, to be able to act swiftly. I look at several things, because we now have a report coming to us on a regular basis of the job openings, and basically when they were put in, what happen- there's one I think that still exists from 20- 23, that is still open at this time. I also look at diversity, and there's not too much change in that, and that I think is sig- significant to be able to become more diverse in terms of that hiring process with qualified people, people have to be qualified. And throughout my Cliff Notes that I have here are the problems of filling those positions, and the pressure it puts on where you have to do more with less. So it is vital in terms of the recruitment process, and if there's problems that we are causing to that are that are causing people not to come, we need to know that too, if it's our fault. What do we need to do it? Now we've had some people who have mentioned that when they were working for the city, that they had very low increases each year. Is is is the problem with the amount of money that we pay, or are there other problems that we have in order to keep and fill those ranks? Because that's morale for the people who have to do double duty to get the job done. So that's something that I would say as a caution in terms as we go forward, and I yield.","topics_json":"[\"budget\"]","vector_id":"vec_seg_97710_260","created_at":"2026-10-31T05:42:18Z","speaker_name":"Fred A. Neil"},{"id":"seg_97710_261","meeting_id":"97710","media_asset_id":"med_97710_a0b6d813968b0577","agenda_item_id":null,"speaker_id":"spk_97710_naomi_poole","speaker_confidence":0.9,"start_sec":6187.29,"end_sec":6188.09,"text":"Yes. Can I respond to that?","topics_json":"[]","vector_id":"vec_seg_97710_261","created_at":"2026-10-31T05:42:18Z","speaker_name":"Naomi Poole"},{"id":"seg_97710_262","meeting_id":"97710","media_asset_id":"med_97710_a0b6d813968b0577","agenda_item_id":null,"speaker_id":"off_roy_sudler_jr","speaker_confidence":0.9,"start_sec":6188.09,"end_sec":6188.79,"text":"Yes, ma'am.","topics_json":"[]","vector_id":"vec_seg_97710_262","created_at":"2026-10-31T05:42:18Z","speaker_name":"Roy Sudler, Jr."},{"id":"seg_97710_263","meeting_id":"97710","media_asset_id":"med_97710_a0b6d813968b0577","agenda_item_id":null,"speaker_id":"spk_97710_naomi_poole","speaker_confidence":0.9,"start_sec":6188.79,"end_sec":6264.29,"text":"Um so yes, we're going to have people who are going to drop off paper applications still, and that's fine, because we can manually enter it into the system. Um so that won't hold up their process at all. Um this system is um is is for everyone, whether uh we do uh job fairs and people are giving us their resume, we can now go back into the system and input it and create a candidate portal so that our hiring managers can review it and give real-time updates. So I think that's really important. Um you speak to diversity, I think diversity is very important within an organization, um and that solely depends on how we are posting our positions, but also how our hiring managers are reviewing those resumes and applications and interviews as well. Um so it's a it's a it's it's everyone needs to be involved in that process um of making sure that we are looking at candidates from an objective standpoint um and maintaining um the ideals of diversity within an organization, because it's important. So I certainly agree with that sentiment. Um but I do want to make it known that with this increase of technology, it really is going to make things much more efficient, but it's not going to cause others to not be able to take part um and and reap the benefits of it.","topics_json":"[]","vector_id":"vec_seg_97710_263","created_at":"2026-10-31T05:42:18Z","speaker_name":"Naomi Poole"},{"id":"seg_97710_264","meeting_id":"97710","media_asset_id":"med_97710_a0b6d813968b0577","agenda_item_id":null,"speaker_id":"off_roy_sudler_jr","speaker_confidence":0.9,"start_sec":6264.29,"end_sec":6267.29,"text":"Okay, thank you all very much. Moving forward, thanks, Naomi.","topics_json":"[]","vector_id":"vec_seg_97710_264","created_at":"2026-10-31T05:42:18Z","speaker_name":"Roy Sudler, Jr."},{"id":"seg_97710_265","meeting_id":"97710","media_asset_id":"med_97710_a0b6d813968b0577","agenda_item_id":null,"speaker_id":"spk_97710_naomi_poole","speaker_confidence":0.9,"start_sec":6267.29,"end_sec":6268.29,"text":"Thank you.","topics_json":"[]","vector_id":"vec_seg_97710_265","created_at":"2026-10-31T05:42:18Z","speaker_name":"Naomi Poole"},{"id":"seg_97710_266","meeting_id":"97710","media_asset_id":"med_97710_a0b6d813968b0577","agenda_item_id":null,"speaker_id":"off_roy_sudler_jr","speaker_confidence":0.9,"start_sec":6268.29,"end_sec":6274.29,"text":"Who's up next? Yeah, who we got next? Okay, IT, you're next. Thanks, Jeff.","topics_json":"[]","vector_id":"vec_seg_97710_266","created_at":"2026-10-31T05:42:18Z","speaker_name":"Roy Sudler, Jr."},{"id":"seg_97710_267","meeting_id":"97710","media_asset_id":"med_97710_a0b6d813968b0577","agenda_item_id":null,"speaker_id":"spk_97710_it_presenter","speaker_confidence":0.85,"start_sec":6275.79,"end_sec":6291.39,"text":"Good morning, Council, Mayor, and City Manager. Um uh this IT presentation, if you could go to the next slide, okay. So basically, IT is the manager of all the technology infrastructure and systems uh and networks uh","topics_json":"[]","vector_id":"vec_seg_97710_267","created_at":"2026-10-31T05:42:18Z","speaker_name":null},{"id":"seg_97710_268","meeting_id":"97710","media_asset_id":"med_97710_a0b6d813968b0577","agenda_item_id":null,"speaker_id":"spk_97710_it_staff","speaker_confidence":0.95,"start_sec":6291.4,"end_sec":6353.81,"text":"uh for to support the city needs and city of Dover, okay? Our main focus and vision is uh to support on the various departments in the city, the various their function and by through that, um supporting um the citizens. Um if you go in the next couple of slides, hey? Next couple of slides, I think slide five, next one. I want to I want to focus on slide five, yeah, okay. So the challenges. Um a lot of other departments uh talked about staff shortages um and this is for us is not a theoretical issue. Um a recent issue, um I just hired um an IT LAN tech support person uh to come on board. He came on board, obviously who before we hired him he was interviewing for other jobs. Um came on board, stayed here for uh two months, um did a fantastic job, was fantastic customer service. Um he got a call from a from another local company that offered him $20,000 more than what we was paying him. And after all the time interviewing, onboarding, training, getting up to speed, um he had a tough decision. Um he was very upfront, open um with us um about his his his his his offer.","topics_json":"[]","vector_id":"vec_seg_97710_268","created_at":"2026-10-31T05:42:18Z","speaker_name":null},{"id":"seg_97710_269","meeting_id":"97710","media_asset_id":"med_97710_a0b6d813968b0577","agenda_item_id":null,"speaker_id":"spk_97710_it_staff","speaker_confidence":0.95,"start_sec":6355.43,"end_sec":6378.78,"text":"Um but, you know, obviously he has a family and he had to go ahead and take the opportunity because the city could not match uh what this other employee was offering him. So, that just happened uh within the last um two to three weeks. So, it's definitely a challenge that we have to find a way to overcome that because we're just going to be a revolving door. And I know you talked about some of HR things um about hiring and retaining employees, this is going to be a challenge. And especially when you get to positions that are high demand, and uh fortunately technology it is in high demand. It's It's somewhere where, you know, you're going to have competing against because every business, company needs technology. And And it is what it is.","topics_json":"[]","vector_id":"vec_seg_97710_269","created_at":"2026-10-31T05:42:18Z","speaker_name":null},{"id":"seg_97710_27","meeting_id":"97710","media_asset_id":"med_97710_a0b6d813968b0577","agenda_item_id":null,"speaker_id":"spk_97710_dave_hugg","speaker_confidence":0.85,"start_sec":869.26,"end_sec":884.5,"text":"my turn says hey what's on here. Um there are slides in your in your in your packet. I do want to say that uh they they got that assignment, but but it was basically do it the way you would like to do it. However you want to present it, they are not edited, they are not, you know, we've had we basically said, \"These are your presentations. Make make them clear and and uh, you know, to the point.\" And we'll start with Central Services, and each of them will be asked to come up as we go uh and address their assignment.","topics_json":"[]","vector_id":"vec_seg_97710_27","created_at":"2026-10-31T05:42:18Z","speaker_name":"Dave Hugg"},{"id":"seg_97710_270","meeting_id":"97710","media_asset_id":"med_97710_a0b6d813968b0577","agenda_item_id":null,"speaker_id":"off_andre_m_boggerty","speaker_confidence":0.92,"start_sec":6378.78,"end_sec":6390.26,"text":"Good. Uh thank you. Do you think, or have you seen in your profession where um if you hire someone, then they have to commit to at least three years? Do you think a a clause like that may be helpful because uh like you said, it'll be a revolving door if if, you know, someone comes, you train for a year and then someone comes and","topics_json":"[]","vector_id":"vec_seg_97710_270","created_at":"2026-10-31T05:42:18Z","speaker_name":"Andre M. Boggerty"},{"id":"seg_97710_271","meeting_id":"97710","media_asset_id":"med_97710_a0b6d813968b0577","agenda_item_id":null,"speaker_id":"spk_97710_it_staff","speaker_confidence":0.95,"start_sec":6390.26,"end_sec":6421.13,"text":"Yeah, I think that's a a better question for HR as far as the nuances, as far as, you know, legalities or as far as because you get more of a contractual agreement rather than employment agreement with that. Um...","topics_json":"[]","vector_id":"vec_seg_97710_271","created_at":"2026-10-31T05:42:18Z","speaker_name":null},{"id":"seg_97710_272","meeting_id":"97710","media_asset_id":"med_97710_a0b6d813968b0577","agenda_item_id":null,"speaker_id":"off_andre_m_boggerty","speaker_confidence":0.92,"start_sec":6421.13,"end_sec":6422.62,"text":"Have you seen that in your in your discipline?","topics_json":"[]","vector_id":"vec_seg_97710_272","created_at":"2026-10-31T05:42:18Z","speaker_name":"Andre M. Boggerty"},{"id":"seg_97710_273","meeting_id":"97710","media_asset_id":"med_97710_a0b6d813968b0577","agenda_item_id":null,"speaker_id":"spk_97710_it_staff","speaker_confidence":0.95,"start_sec":6422.62,"end_sec":6423.86,"text":"I haven't I haven't seen that in the IT field. Um...","topics_json":"[]","vector_id":"vec_seg_97710_273","created_at":"2026-10-31T05:42:18Z","speaker_name":null},{"id":"seg_97710_274","meeting_id":"97710","media_asset_id":"med_97710_a0b6d813968b0577","agenda_item_id":null,"speaker_id":"off_andre_m_boggerty","speaker_confidence":0.92,"start_sec":6423.86,"end_sec":6424.42,"text":"Thank you.","topics_json":"[]","vector_id":"vec_seg_97710_274","created_at":"2026-10-31T05:42:18Z","speaker_name":"Andre M. Boggerty"},{"id":"seg_97710_275","meeting_id":"97710","media_asset_id":"med_97710_a0b6d813968b0577","agenda_item_id":null,"speaker_id":"spk_97710_it_staff","speaker_confidence":0.95,"start_sec":6424.42,"end_sec":6488.01,"text":"come up. Uh the second thing is aging infrastructure. Um our city facilities, uh City Hall here, Reed Street, are old. They're getting they're getting up in the age um as far as what we have far as wiring, um far as um uh computer infrastructure, uh uh uh uh systems that we need to replace. Um obviously, what we need to do is that we need to go through and get um an inventory. Obviously, um as council already know, we are going through a big modernization project for as our our servers, our back-end infrastructure, that's going to um be kicking off um very very soon. Um so, but we still there's a lot of things out here in the city that we have to have a plan on replacing. It's going to cost money. Um and just kind of keep up on the old infrastructure, whether it's, you know, the camera system, security system, uh the telephone system, uh things like that, um is is getting up in age, and we've got to start coming up with a plan to replace that. Future budget constraints. Um obviously, you know, things cost money. Um just like uh Paul Electric said is that you know, the cost of servers and you know, the whole data center thing is not drop-","topics_json":"[\"budget\"]","vector_id":"vec_seg_97710_275","created_at":"2026-10-31T05:42:18Z","speaker_name":null},{"id":"seg_97710_276","meeting_id":"97710","media_asset_id":"med_97710_a0b6d813968b0577","agenda_item_id":null,"speaker_id":"spk_97710_it_director","speaker_confidence":0.85,"start_sec":6488,"end_sec":6502.59,"text":"...not just electric, that's one half of it. It's also driving chips and servers. Your chips and server prices are going to go up because all that demand for data center chips are taking and driving the pricing for servers is going to drive up through the roof the next two or three years because they're, you know, they have a lot of demand for technology also. So it's not just electricity side, it's going to be on the technology and server and chip side, too, with either Nvidia, whatever.","topics_json":"[\"budget\",\"business\"]","vector_id":"vec_seg_97710_276","created_at":"2026-10-31T05:42:18Z","speaker_name":null},{"id":"seg_97710_277","meeting_id":"97710","media_asset_id":"med_97710_a0b6d813968b0577","agenda_item_id":null,"speaker_id":"spk_97710_it_director","speaker_confidence":0.85,"start_sec":6502.59,"end_sec":6512.22,"text":"So, that's one thing we really got to focus on is that, you know, IT is going to cost more, you know, there's no way to get around that. The last thing, really, emerging technologies. You know, how do we use, you know, you know, OpenAI. AI is going to play a big role in going forward.","topics_json":"[\"budget\"]","vector_id":"vec_seg_97710_277","created_at":"2026-10-31T05:42:18Z","speaker_name":null},{"id":"seg_97710_278","meeting_id":"97710","media_asset_id":"med_97710_a0b6d813968b0577","agenda_item_id":null,"speaker_id":"spk_97710_it_director","speaker_confidence":0.85,"start_sec":6512.22,"end_sec":6553.21,"text":"It's already creeping into applications we have. If you go online, go onto Google, they have a AI component now, where the, you know, applications are starting to interject AI into the application. So whether you adopt it or not, the next time you go open up Word or open up Excel, it's going to have an AI component in there. So we got to start looking at how can we leverage these technologies to help the city as we move forward. So the next slide,","topics_json":"[]","vector_id":"vec_seg_97710_278","created_at":"2026-10-31T05:42:18Z","speaker_name":null},{"id":"seg_97710_279","meeting_id":"97710","media_asset_id":"med_97710_a0b6d813968b0577","agenda_item_id":null,"speaker_id":"spk_97710_it_director","speaker_confidence":0.85,"start_sec":6553.21,"end_sec":6572.33,"text":"I'm big big on, you know, if I bring you challenges, I'm going to bring you some opportunities and how I can see some initiatives that we can get around there. One thing, expand our digital services, you know, make it easy for for customers to find information out, make it easy for departments to communicate with each other. It may be mobile apps, it may be, you know, better connection for remote work. So we have to really expand, keep expanding our digital services because it's going to save us money with manpower hours and make their job easier to get along.","topics_json":"[\"budget\"]","vector_id":"vec_seg_97710_279","created_at":"2026-10-31T05:42:18Z","speaker_name":null},{"id":"seg_97710_28","meeting_id":"97710","media_asset_id":"med_97710_a0b6d813968b0577","agenda_item_id":null,"speaker_id":"spk_97710_dave_hugg","speaker_confidence":0.85,"start_sec":884.74,"end_sec":912.44,"text":"So I guess that uh, Mike, you're probably the first one up. And you can advance your slides as they occur, too, as you will. Who got him already? Okay.","topics_json":"[]","vector_id":"vec_seg_97710_28","created_at":"2026-10-31T05:42:18Z","speaker_name":"Dave Hugg"},{"id":"seg_97710_280","meeting_id":"97710","media_asset_id":"med_97710_a0b6d813968b0577","agenda_item_id":null,"speaker_id":"spk_97710_it_director","speaker_confidence":0.85,"start_sec":6572.33,"end_sec":6622.63,"text":"Another opportunity, help strengthen our community partnerships. Another good, you know, I gave you one side of the story for staffing, I'm going to give you the other good side. We partnered with DelTech. We had an intern come over this summer, worked here for three months free to learn our systems. Obviously, it's a give-and-take. She learned a lot about, you know, how we work, IT. I was able to turn around and hire that person full-time. She's a local resident that graduated from Dover High, has her associate degree from DelTech, going to get her bachelor's degree from Wilmington College. Now she is a valuable employee for the City of Dover. So that that's a success story. But we got to keep keep that up.","topics_json":"[\"budget\"]","vector_id":"vec_seg_97710_280","created_at":"2026-10-31T05:42:18Z","speaker_name":null},{"id":"seg_97710_281","meeting_id":"97710","media_asset_id":"med_97710_a0b6d813968b0577","agenda_item_id":null,"speaker_id":"spk_97710_it_director","speaker_confidence":0.85,"start_sec":6622.63,"end_sec":6638.9,"text":"I would like to bring two interns in every summer to kind of either, too, help us out with things that, you know, the mundane IT things, but also give them back more experience and that we can kind of like alleviate some of the the workload on our full-time employees to get that program going. Continue to work with Kent County, work with the state to kind of leverage. Another thing Paul said about DEMEC,","topics_json":"[\"budget\"]","vector_id":"vec_seg_97710_281","created_at":"2026-10-31T05:42:18Z","speaker_name":null},{"id":"seg_97710_282","meeting_id":"97710","media_asset_id":"med_97710_a0b6d813968b0577","agenda_item_id":null,"speaker_id":"spk_97710_it_director","speaker_confidence":0.85,"start_sec":6638.9,"end_sec":6684.61,"text":"well, not only that the city's back in DEMEC is that they have an IT component where all IT directors from DEMEC get together and we can start sharing information, sharing what applications we use, maybe get a discount if we all use the same application. So partnerships, partnerships, partnerships is definitely going to help us as far as some of the initiatives and some of the constraints that we have going forward. I'm a big component of that. Partner with different organizations that can help us out, and we can help them out, so it's a win-win situation. The last thing is everybody heard of smart cities.","topics_json":"[\"budget\",\"business\"]","vector_id":"vec_seg_97710_282","created_at":"2026-10-31T05:42:18Z","speaker_name":null},{"id":"seg_97710_283","meeting_id":"97710","media_asset_id":"med_97710_a0b6d813968b0577","agenda_item_id":null,"speaker_id":"spk_97710_city_staff","speaker_confidence":0.9,"start_sec":6684.61,"end_sec":6719.07,"text":"the more we go to technology to help, um I think the better off we're going to be. Um there's a lot of initiatives out here, you know. I can rattle off five or six examples like, you know, can customers pay their bill by, you know, Apple Pay? You know, they don't have to come in to customer service, you know. Can there be online video chat with somebody if discussing their bills so they don't have to come to customers service? So things like that is is technology-wise is available that we can do that can help the city out. But also, it's an investment and it takes time. And some of those things that we can, you know, see what other municipalities are doing, cuz a lot of municipalities is doing some great things as far as technology, and we need to incorporate that in the city. It's not going to be all at once because, like you said, it's very expensive. But we need to kind of chart our way over the next 5 years of things we can do um as far as um helping the city, as far as obviously saving money, saving with resources, but using technology to the fullest uh point possible.","topics_json":"[\"budget\"]","vector_id":"vec_seg_97710_283","created_at":"2026-10-31T05:42:18Z","speaker_name":null},{"id":"seg_97710_284","meeting_id":"97710","media_asset_id":"med_97710_a0b6d813968b0577","agenda_item_id":null,"speaker_id":"off_fred_a_neil","speaker_confidence":0.95,"start_sec":6719.3,"end_sec":6723.55,"text":"Are there questions about IT that um Mr. Mr. Lewis, I'll start with you this time.","topics_json":"[]","vector_id":"vec_seg_97710_284","created_at":"2026-10-31T05:42:18Z","speaker_name":"Fred A. Neil"},{"id":"seg_97710_285","meeting_id":"97710","media_asset_id":"med_97710_a0b6d813968b0577","agenda_item_id":null,"speaker_id":"off_brian_e_lewis","speaker_confidence":0.95,"start_sec":6723.87,"end_sec":6761.38,"text":"All right, I'll try and make my questions brief. Um my first question is, um have you reached out uh to any other municipalities to see, um you know, what initiatives uh they are um implementing to save costs within their IT department?","topics_json":"[\"budget\"]","vector_id":"vec_seg_97710_285","created_at":"2026-10-31T05:42:18Z","speaker_name":"Brian E. Lewis"},{"id":"seg_97710_286","meeting_id":"97710","media_asset_id":"med_97710_a0b6d813968b0577","agenda_item_id":null,"speaker_id":"spk_97710_city_staff","speaker_confidence":0.9,"start_sec":6761.52,"end_sec":6818.03,"text":"Uh yes. Um let me give you a a good example, and it's not particularly to what initiatives they're doing, but um um partnership with Kent County, and I'm a big proponent of that. Obviously, you know about the assessment um that Kent County did. Um the Kent County has a lot of county data that the city uses, okay? It'd be great and it'll save the city a lot of money if we can share that data. So, when, again, it's take for instance a property. Um when a property ownership changes in the city of Dover, they still have to go to Kent County, cuz that's where the uh uh recorder of deeds are at. But how can we get that information update our systems in real time? You know, things things like that will obviously save us money and also make the process a lot faster. Just incorporating in partnership with the Kent County, as far as their assessment data that we can use and in put and pull into the city.","topics_json":"[\"budget\"]","vector_id":"vec_seg_97710_286","created_at":"2026-10-31T05:42:18Z","speaker_name":null},{"id":"seg_97710_287","meeting_id":"97710","media_asset_id":"med_97710_a0b6d813968b0577","agenda_item_id":null,"speaker_id":"off_brian_e_lewis","speaker_confidence":0.95,"start_sec":6818.26,"end_sec":6839.41,"text":"I I think that's uh definitely uh an excellent uh collaboration. Uh my next question is, um you know, I know recently you applied for various grants uh to assist the city with purchasing a new equipment and all. Uh what do you anticipate doing with the um current equipment? Do you sell it, or what can you do with that? Are you going to use it as backup? Or uh is there any uh ways that we can recoup any funding that can go out back into our, you know, reserve?","topics_json":"[\"budget\"]","vector_id":"vec_seg_97710_287","created_at":"2026-10-31T05:42:18Z","speaker_name":"Brian E. Lewis"},{"id":"seg_97710_288","meeting_id":"97710","media_asset_id":"med_97710_a0b6d813968b0577","agenda_item_id":null,"speaker_id":"spk_97710_city_staff","speaker_confidence":0.9,"start_sec":6839.72,"end_sec":6881.22,"text":"Okay. That's a that's a great question. Um what we're going to do with the equipment, I mean specifically talking about the servers and network equipment at Reed Street, okay? So what we're going to do is we're replacing the servers and SANs at Reed Street and we're taking what's at Reed Street and move it over to the electric administration building, and we're creating a redundant backup system. Um the hardware at Reed Street is, you know, serviceable. Uh we own it, it's on lease for the next 3 years. Um so we're going to take that equipment and utilize it, and utilize it so if something happened to Reed Street, a power outage or something happened to the building, it will automatically switch over to the electric administration building. Um servers will be running over there. IT has a rack over there um that we can utilize,","topics_json":"[\"budget\"]","vector_id":"vec_seg_97710_288","created_at":"2026-10-31T05:42:18Z","speaker_name":null},{"id":"seg_97710_289","meeting_id":"97710","media_asset_id":"med_97710_a0b6d813968b0577","agenda_item_id":null,"speaker_id":"spk_97710_it_director","speaker_confidence":0.9,"start_sec":6881.22,"end_sec":6885.17,"text":"and we just got to configure the system. So all the equipment that we're replacing is going to be utilized going forward.","topics_json":"[]","vector_id":"vec_seg_97710_289","created_at":"2026-10-31T05:42:18Z","speaker_name":null},{"id":"seg_97710_29","meeting_id":"97710","media_asset_id":"med_97710_a0b6d813968b0577","agenda_item_id":null,"speaker_id":"spk_97710_mike_rhodes","speaker_confidence":0.85,"start_sec":912.79,"end_sec":914.87,"text":"All right. Had I've known they were in alphabetical order, I would have changed the name of my department.","topics_json":"[]","vector_id":"vec_seg_97710_29","created_at":"2026-10-31T05:42:18Z","speaker_name":"Mike Rhodes"},{"id":"seg_97710_290","meeting_id":"97710","media_asset_id":"med_97710_a0b6d813968b0577","agenda_item_id":null,"speaker_id":"off_brian_e_lewis","speaker_confidence":1,"start_sec":6885.41,"end_sec":6889.84,"text":"Okay, so so so the public understands we're going to keep the current equipment once we get the new? We're not going to sell it? Okay, gotcha.","topics_json":"[]","vector_id":"vec_seg_97710_290","created_at":"2026-10-31T05:42:18Z","speaker_name":"Brian E. Lewis"},{"id":"seg_97710_291","meeting_id":"97710","media_asset_id":"med_97710_a0b6d813968b0577","agenda_item_id":null,"speaker_id":"off_brian_e_lewis","speaker_confidence":1,"start_sec":6890.26,"end_sec":6910.51,"text":"Last and final question pertaining to IT is do you have the anticipated date on when you're going to replace some of the equipment in this council chamber, because I know through various grants, I know there's some staff members here in the audience that would like to know also. Do you have an anticipated date when this equipment is going to be replaced? Because I think it's imperative, in particular I get a lot of complaints from my constituents and the public that they're not being able to view city council meetings and stuff online.","topics_json":"[]","vector_id":"vec_seg_97710_291","created_at":"2026-10-31T05:42:18Z","speaker_name":"Brian E. Lewis"},{"id":"seg_97710_292","meeting_id":"97710","media_asset_id":"med_97710_a0b6d813968b0577","agenda_item_id":null,"speaker_id":"spk_97710_it_director","speaker_confidence":0.9,"start_sec":6911,"end_sec":6964.7,"text":"Okay. Yes, we have been actively working with the clerk's office and CASAS and with the vendor, Assurance Media, to come here and do a full-blown assessment of what we had, what equipment we have, what can we do. They came in, they did little tweaks, but they definitely gave us a list and quote. I just got the email two days ago about how much it will cost to replace the equipment in this room. Obviously, we probably have to go out and take that to RFP or a bid process. But yes, we're actively working on replacing, to update this equipment. I would like to give you a date when, you know, that'd be complete by, but I can tell you we're actively working on that as we speak right now.","topics_json":"[]","vector_id":"vec_seg_97710_292","created_at":"2026-10-31T05:42:18Z","speaker_name":null},{"id":"seg_97710_293","meeting_id":"97710","media_asset_id":"med_97710_a0b6d813968b0577","agenda_item_id":null,"speaker_id":"off_brian_e_lewis","speaker_confidence":1,"start_sec":6964.77,"end_sec":6966.88,"text":"Okay, I'll accept your answer as it is. Thank you. No further questions.","topics_json":"[]","vector_id":"vec_seg_97710_293","created_at":"2026-10-31T05:42:18Z","speaker_name":"Brian E. 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Is there any possibility—I know you're working with DelTech, but is there any possibility or have you explored working with Delaware State University to see that to see if any of their students could take on a project for us to maybe develop an app for the members of our community?","topics_json":"[]","vector_id":"vec_seg_97710_295","created_at":"2026-10-31T05:42:18Z","speaker_name":"Gerald L. Rocha, Sr."},{"id":"seg_97710_296","meeting_id":"97710","media_asset_id":"med_97710_a0b6d813968b0577","agenda_item_id":null,"speaker_id":"spk_97710_it_director","speaker_confidence":0.9,"start_sec":7010.7,"end_sec":7030.41,"text":"That's a good idea. I have tried to reach out to Del State previously and I just haven't got no response. But I think the next step would be if anybody has any, you know, direct contact to actually meet them personally and sit down and see if we can have some synergies, because like you said, any opportunity that we have that we can we can take advantage of, especially with young talent, I think we need to take advantage of. And that's something that, you know, I'm very open to look into and try to explore even more.","topics_json":"[]","vector_id":"vec_seg_97710_296","created_at":"2026-10-31T05:42:18Z","speaker_name":null},{"id":"seg_97710_297","meeting_id":"97710","media_asset_id":"med_97710_a0b6d813968b0577","agenda_item_id":null,"speaker_id":"off_gerald_l_rocha_sr","speaker_confidence":1,"start_sec":7030.5,"end_sec":7036.91,"text":"And thank you for that. Myself and Dr. Sudler could probably try to beat the bushes and maybe, you know, one of my other colleagues might be able to help you set up a meeting for that.","topics_json":"[]","vector_id":"vec_seg_97710_297","created_at":"2026-10-31T05:42:18Z","speaker_name":"Gerald L. Rocha, Sr."},{"id":"seg_97710_298","meeting_id":"97710","media_asset_id":"med_97710_a0b6d813968b0577","agenda_item_id":null,"speaker_id":"off_gerald_l_rocha_sr","speaker_confidence":1,"start_sec":7037.03,"end_sec":7075.22,"text":"The next question in in reference to replacement, is it still the replacement of technology, is it still a rule of thumb that we should be looking to upgrade every three years, or what what kind of Is there a system in place right now that you're going by, or is that something you've got to develop from scratch?","topics_json":"[]","vector_id":"vec_seg_97710_298","created_at":"2026-10-31T05:42:18Z","speaker_name":"Gerald L. Rocha, Sr."},{"id":"seg_97710_299","meeting_id":"97710","media_asset_id":"med_97710_a0b6d813968b0577","agenda_item_id":null,"speaker_id":"spk_97710_it_director","speaker_confidence":0.9,"start_sec":7075.27,"end_sec":7077.83,"text":"No, there's a system in place. I mean, for for for for your major infrastructure, you're looking maybe","topics_json":"[]","vector_id":"vec_seg_97710_299","created_at":"2026-10-31T05:42:18Z","speaker_name":null},{"id":"seg_97710_3","meeting_id":"97710","media_asset_id":"med_97710_a0b6d813968b0577","agenda_item_id":null,"speaker_id":"spk_97710_david_hugg","speaker_confidence":0.9,"start_sec":12.63,"end_sec":13.56,"text":"Sure.","topics_json":"[]","vector_id":"vec_seg_97710_3","created_at":"2026-10-31T05:42:18Z","speaker_name":"David Hugg"},{"id":"seg_97710_30","meeting_id":"97710","media_asset_id":"med_97710_a0b6d813968b0577","agenda_item_id":null,"speaker_id":"off_tricia_k_arndt","speaker_confidence":0.85,"start_sec":915.12,"end_sec":921.02,"text":"Can Can I make a suggestion with the logistics? If since there's only four of us in the room from council, if we sit up there, at least then we can look at the audience and the audience can look at us.","topics_json":"[]","vector_id":"vec_seg_97710_30","created_at":"2026-10-31T05:42:18Z","speaker_name":"Tricia K. Arndt"},{"id":"seg_97710_300","meeting_id":"97710","media_asset_id":"med_97710_a0b6d813968b0577","agenda_item_id":null,"speaker_id":"spk_97710_it_staff","speaker_confidence":0.9,"start_sec":7077.82,"end_sec":7116.42,"text":"five to seven years upgrade. Um, and it's really a lot of the upgrade depending upon the support from the manufacturer. And they put out dates for end of life, um, they have extended warranty, or like you're saying, after you get past that, um, you know, that that's that's non-supported. And that's usually about that five to seven-year, um, time frame, um, that you look and replace the equipment. Um, so, uh, and once we get through this upgrade, we'll have definitely a better understanding of our replacement cycle. And we'll start looking at, um, those things so we can maybe put some in, you know, reserve funds or budgeting. So when five or six years down the road from now, we can say, hey, we got that money put aside.","topics_json":"[\"budget\"]","vector_id":"vec_seg_97710_300","created_at":"2026-10-31T05:42:18Z","speaker_name":null},{"id":"seg_97710_301","meeting_id":"97710","media_asset_id":"med_97710_a0b6d813968b0577","agenda_item_id":null,"speaker_id":"off_gerald_l_rocha_sr","speaker_confidence":0.9,"start_sec":7116.62,"end_sec":7125.52,"text":"Okay, yeah, that sounds good. Thank you. Um, and then as far as devices, are we okay with with our uh device upgrades?","topics_json":"[]","vector_id":"vec_seg_97710_301","created_at":"2026-10-31T05:42:18Z","speaker_name":"Gerald L. Rocha, Sr."},{"id":"seg_97710_302","meeting_id":"97710","media_asset_id":"med_97710_a0b6d813968b0577","agenda_item_id":null,"speaker_id":"spk_97710_it_staff","speaker_confidence":0.9,"start_sec":7125.72,"end_sec":7182.72,"text":"Yes, um, we've been going through and doing, um, remote, um, upgrades to from Windows 10 to Windows 11. And then at the same time, with through the department upgrades as far as their PCs and hardware, some of them older devices are kind of rolling out rolling off, but right now we're we are definitely on target and good with, um, device upgrades.","topics_json":"[]","vector_id":"vec_seg_97710_302","created_at":"2026-10-31T05:42:18Z","speaker_name":null},{"id":"seg_97710_303","meeting_id":"97710","media_asset_id":"med_97710_a0b6d813968b0577","agenda_item_id":null,"speaker_id":"off_gerald_l_rocha_sr","speaker_confidence":0.9,"start_sec":7182.82,"end_sec":7185.32,"text":"Awesome. Thank you very much, I appreciate that. I yield.","topics_json":"[]","vector_id":"vec_seg_97710_303","created_at":"2026-10-31T05:42:18Z","speaker_name":"Gerald L. Rocha, Sr."},{"id":"seg_97710_304","meeting_id":"97710","media_asset_id":"med_97710_a0b6d813968b0577","agenda_item_id":null,"speaker_id":"off_fred_a_neil","speaker_confidence":0.85,"start_sec":7185.32,"end_sec":7186.42,"text":"Mr. Anderson.","topics_json":"[]","vector_id":"vec_seg_97710_304","created_at":"2026-10-31T05:42:18Z","speaker_name":"Fred A. Neil"},{"id":"seg_97710_305","meeting_id":"97710","media_asset_id":"med_97710_a0b6d813968b0577","agenda_item_id":null,"speaker_id":"off_david_l_anderson","speaker_confidence":0.95,"start_sec":7186.52,"end_sec":7274.42,"text":"Yeah. Hey, thank you very much. Uh, thank you for the the job you've done. It's been a a tremendous year, and I just wanted to say thank you for that. And the building of the department and uh up it is it's been just uh tremendous and and I have a a lot of uh confidence in the future. And it's uh some of my questions have already been asked, but I so I'm going to just focus on a couple areas. One is uh uh there there definitely is, I've seen at NLC, there's definitely a a lot of uh movement in the space of uh AI and technology with uh helping the cities uh become more efficient and that some have tried um uh that to address some of the areas that uh uh Mrs. Sas has uh addressed. Uh because we, you know, sometimes we have to uh use tools not to replace people, but to augment people. And I importance of people though, and that's not just uh, you know, that you're a point of contact there, but that's a system-wide thing that has to be done. Not not as if it doesn't all fall on you. Obviously your expertise is where people will go for that, but just wanted to point that out. I think that that has a lot of potential, has some risk to it, but but that's something that I hope we uh explore in our 5-year plan. Um, the other aspect has to do with uh you have uh I want to thank you, I know that you're working on network and and the like, and I I echo uh Councilman Lewis. Um, we we definitely the the public uh has certain expectations. Uh now that the City of Dover set up in our infrastructure, um, aging, that uh we're falling short of those expectations and and that's definitely one of the uh top complaints that we're making because that we that people make to us uh after the typical ones that you would expect, safety and uh street infrastructure. Believe it or not, it's a lot after that, it starts to come to","topics_json":"[\"public_safety\"]","vector_id":"vec_seg_97710_305","created_at":"2026-10-31T05:42:18Z","speaker_name":"David L. Anderson"},{"id":"seg_97710_306","meeting_id":"97710","media_asset_id":"med_97710_a0b6d813968b0577","agenda_item_id":null,"speaker_id":"off_gerald_l_rocha_sr","speaker_confidence":0.9,"start_sec":7274.43,"end_sec":7296.39,"text":"to um with the accessibility. Cuz people want to access uh government today um differently than they did 20 years ago. They want to be able to access it on their phone, on their TV, you know, where they are, and interact um with us um that way. They didn't have that interaction expectation. Um and that that's important. Um and I I just uh want to thank you all for making sure that that that's a priority in upgrading because uh that's what the public's demanding.","topics_json":"[]","vector_id":"vec_seg_97710_306","created_at":"2026-10-31T05:42:18Z","speaker_name":"Gerald L. 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What a marvelous, marvelous program, and I absolutely uh adore the fact that that's happening, that we're training people, helping to train people, and it helps us at the same time.","topics_json":"[]","vector_id":"vec_seg_97710_309","created_at":"2026-10-31T05:42:18Z","speaker_name":"Fred A. Neil"},{"id":"seg_97710_31","meeting_id":"97710","media_asset_id":"med_97710_a0b6d813968b0577","agenda_item_id":null,"speaker_id":"spk_97710_mike_rhodes","speaker_confidence":0.85,"start_sec":921.05,"end_sec":921.63,"text":"I would appreciate that.","topics_json":"[]","vector_id":"vec_seg_97710_31","created_at":"2026-10-31T05:42:18Z","speaker_name":"Mike Rhodes"},{"id":"seg_97710_310","meeting_id":"97710","media_asset_id":"med_97710_a0b6d813968b0577","agenda_item_id":null,"speaker_id":"off_fred_a_neil","speaker_confidence":0.95,"start_sec":7310.75,"end_sec":7355.32,"text":"Now basically you talked about leases. Uh now are we buying equipment or are we leasing equipment? A lot of the uh police department uh programs that are we were considering, what have you, are strictly on leases. I mean, you you have it for three years and it costs so much so much. Uh is it costing us more or less? Are the leases going up or leases going down in terms of what we deal?","topics_json":"[\"budget\"]","vector_id":"vec_seg_97710_310","created_at":"2026-10-31T05:42:18Z","speaker_name":"Fred A. Neil"},{"id":"seg_97710_311","meeting_id":"97710","media_asset_id":"med_97710_a0b6d813968b0577","agenda_item_id":null,"speaker_id":"spk_97710_it_director","speaker_confidence":0.9,"start_sec":7355.53,"end_sec":7451.35,"text":"Okay, so I'm break it down for you as far as the equipment that I have for my predecessor um for servers and storage capacity. Um he leased that out for um 5 years. He did a 5-year lease. Um I think we're in year two um of that 5 years, so I think we have 3 more years left to go. Um we was fortunate enough to um via the grant to go out and the new equipment come in is the majority of equipment, I'll say probably uh 70% of the equipment is going to be purchased. So it's a one-time purchase from the city. So it's good, great, we got the money, we're buying it, which is going to be no lease. Um the part that we are um going to do is the storage is going to be a SaaS storage type of thing. All the hardware is going to be on-site, we're going to have it here, but we're going to lock in for 5 years for the cost and price, and I think that is a excellent thing to do because as like you said, server and storage prices go up, the city is going to be locked in for the next 5 years. Um um so I'm a proponent of buying um because you control your costs. Um obviously it's a large CapEx when you try to buy everything because it costs a lot of money instead of trying to lease it and spread the payments over 5 years. Um but that's a way to do cost control, too. So, um when looking for lease or purchase, it all comes down to obviously finances and also actually uh uh cost, you know. Something that we can afford to go out and buy, that's my first preference, but if it's something where you're talking, you know, multiple $100,000 or $300,000 server, $400,000 server, or a software system, I think you've got to look at both purchasing and lease um based upon our finances.","topics_json":"[\"budget\"]","vector_id":"vec_seg_97710_311","created_at":"2026-10-31T05:42:18Z","speaker_name":null},{"id":"seg_97710_312","meeting_id":"97710","media_asset_id":"med_97710_a0b6d813968b0577","agenda_item_id":null,"speaker_id":"off_fred_a_neil","speaker_confidence":0.95,"start_sec":7451.42,"end_sec":7455.62,"text":"I hate to interrupt you, but we need to keep moving forward. Is uh um do you have Dr. Sudler, do you have a question?","topics_json":"[]","vector_id":"vec_seg_97710_312","created_at":"2026-10-31T05:42:18Z","speaker_name":"Fred A. 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I'll start with my first one in regards to uh disaster continuity and and and it's basically in regards to if a system has failed, uh what is our robust recovery plan for maintaining essential services?","topics_json":"[]","vector_id":"vec_seg_97710_315","created_at":"2026-10-31T05:42:18Z","speaker_name":"Roy Sudler, Jr."},{"id":"seg_97710_316","meeting_id":"97710","media_asset_id":"med_97710_a0b6d813968b0577","agenda_item_id":null,"speaker_id":"spk_97710_it_director","speaker_confidence":0.9,"start_sec":7469.76,"end_sec":7471.04,"text":"Uh going forward or or","topics_json":"[]","vector_id":"vec_seg_97710_316","created_at":"2026-10-31T05:42:18Z","speaker_name":null},{"id":"seg_97710_317","meeting_id":"97710","media_asset_id":"med_97710_a0b6d813968b0577","agenda_item_id":null,"speaker_id":"spk_97710_staff_member","speaker_confidence":0.85,"start_sec":7471.04,"end_sec":7486.63,"text":"as we finish this project, that's the main reason why we're doing this project, is to have that redundancy. So, obviously we want to get to a point where we have zero failures, but if we do have a failure, we have a backup, a failover backup system. Obviously, right now it's it's a point of if something did fail catastrophically, it's going to have to be a manual process to restore. We do have backups that we back up our data, on-site and off-site.","topics_json":"[]","vector_id":"vec_seg_97710_317","created_at":"2026-10-31T05:42:18Z","speaker_name":null},{"id":"seg_97710_318","meeting_id":"97710","media_asset_id":"med_97710_a0b6d813968b0577","agenda_item_id":null,"speaker_id":"spk_97710_sharon_duca","speaker_confidence":0.8,"start_sec":7486.63,"end_sec":7488.49,"text":"Probably not best to discuss that publicly. Sorry.","topics_json":"[]","vector_id":"vec_seg_97710_318","created_at":"2026-10-31T05:42:18Z","speaker_name":"Sharon Duca"},{"id":"seg_97710_319","meeting_id":"97710","media_asset_id":"med_97710_a0b6d813968b0577","agenda_item_id":null,"speaker_id":"spk_97710_staff_member","speaker_confidence":0.85,"start_sec":7488.49,"end_sec":7490.91,"text":"Okay. So, but those plans are put in place.","topics_json":"[]","vector_id":"vec_seg_97710_319","created_at":"2026-10-31T05:42:18Z","speaker_name":null},{"id":"seg_97710_32","meeting_id":"97710","media_asset_id":"med_97710_a0b6d813968b0577","agenda_item_id":null,"speaker_id":"off_tricia_k_arndt","speaker_confidence":0.85,"start_sec":921.7,"end_sec":922.52,"text":"Are you all amenable to to moving?","topics_json":"[]","vector_id":"vec_seg_97710_32","created_at":"2026-10-31T05:42:18Z","speaker_name":"Tricia K. 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And then our current infrastructure uh we could still use for in-house because it appears that it's it's sufficient uh to, you know, post online. But it seems like the big problem that we're having is the real time Comcast City Council meeting and","topics_json":"[\"budget\"]","vector_id":"vec_seg_97710_320","created_at":"2026-10-31T05:42:18Z","speaker_name":"Roy Sudler, Jr."},{"id":"seg_97710_321","meeting_id":"97710","media_asset_id":"med_97710_a0b6d813968b0577","agenda_item_id":null,"speaker_id":"off_roy_sudler_jr","speaker_confidence":0.95,"start_sec":7555.87,"end_sec":7605.49,"text":"cameras, you know, not operable, not working, you know, here and there, which could, which I sounds like it's it's due to maybe antiquated equipment or lack of being able to get the parts, you know. So, I was thinking maybe if we went back to Comcast um covering just the City Council meeting, it might be a little bit more cost-effective and an immediate fix to um our constituents' concern, because I, too, have had constituents say, \"Are you still on council? I never see you um, you know, on on the camera.\" I That they may hear my voice, but they don't see me. So, you know, um I said, \"Yeah, I'm still on council, but we're having some complications with our system.\"","topics_json":"[\"budget\"]","vector_id":"vec_seg_97710_321","created_at":"2026-10-31T05:42:18Z","speaker_name":"Roy Sudler, Jr."},{"id":"seg_97710_322","meeting_id":"97710","media_asset_id":"med_97710_a0b6d813968b0577","agenda_item_id":null,"speaker_id":"off_fred_a_neil","speaker_confidence":0.95,"start_sec":7605.49,"end_sec":7610.46,"text":"I hate to interrupt you, too. I hate to choose this, but we've got to move forward. Um then, it's certainly an issue we will take a look at as we put our budget together.","topics_json":"[\"budget\"]","vector_id":"vec_seg_97710_322","created_at":"2026-10-31T05:42:18Z","speaker_name":"Fred A. Neil"},{"id":"seg_97710_323","meeting_id":"97710","media_asset_id":"med_97710_a0b6d813968b0577","agenda_item_id":null,"speaker_id":"off_roy_sudler_jr","speaker_confidence":0.95,"start_sec":7610.46,"end_sec":7630.33,"text":"Well, and and and I do have other questions, but, you know, I'm not going to, for the sake of benefit of time, I'm not going to um I'm not going to elaborate on, but I'm going to I'm going to make this statement. Um I do think it's very imperative that we have more workshops and that we have quarterly review of budgetary items that is that is um going to affect impact our constituents' uh monthly bills and not be rushed through um very important uh discussion, uh because I feel like I'm being rushed through to the point and and I know and I know you might be upset—","topics_json":"[\"budget\"]","vector_id":"vec_seg_97710_323","created_at":"2026-10-31T05:42:18Z","speaker_name":"Roy Sudler, Jr."},{"id":"seg_97710_324","meeting_id":"97710","media_asset_id":"med_97710_a0b6d813968b0577","agenda_item_id":null,"speaker_id":"off_fred_a_neil","speaker_confidence":0.95,"start_sec":7630.33,"end_sec":7658.89,"text":"Yeah, well, we'll have we'll have a chance to talk a little bit after lunch, but—","topics_json":"[]","vector_id":"vec_seg_97710_324","created_at":"2026-10-31T05:42:18Z","speaker_name":"Fred A. 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And and so, you know, I'm at that point where you either you're going to do what we asked you to do, or you're just going to ignore us and do your own thing. And so therefore you're not working for us, you're working for you. So I know I am going to leave.","topics_json":"[]","vector_id":"vec_seg_97710_326","created_at":"2026-10-31T05:42:18Z","speaker_name":null},{"id":"seg_97710_327","meeting_id":"97710","media_asset_id":"med_97710_a0b6d813968b0577","agenda_item_id":null,"speaker_id":"off_fred_a_neil","speaker_confidence":0.95,"start_sec":7678.2,"end_sec":7688.67,"text":"I I under I understand and you're correct. We need to somehow get better communications with I know. I I appreciate that, sir. Thank you very much. And we do have we we will be doing, are doing Uh oh don't take care of them, please. Uh Okay, who's next?","topics_json":"[]","vector_id":"vec_seg_97710_327","created_at":"2026-10-31T05:42:18Z","speaker_name":"Fred A. Neil"},{"id":"seg_97710_328","meeting_id":"97710","media_asset_id":"med_97710_a0b6d813968b0577","agenda_item_id":null,"speaker_id":"spk_97710_city_staff","speaker_confidence":0.85,"start_sec":7688.67,"end_sec":7690.51,"text":"Ms. Hall has a question online.","topics_json":"[]","vector_id":"vec_seg_97710_328","created_at":"2026-10-31T05:42:18Z","speaker_name":null},{"id":"seg_97710_329","meeting_id":"97710","media_asset_id":"med_97710_a0b6d813968b0577","agenda_item_id":null,"speaker_id":"off_fred_a_neil","speaker_confidence":0.95,"start_sec":7690.51,"end_sec":7693.13,"text":"Oh, I'm sorry. Can we go ahead and do it? Who's got a question?","topics_json":"[]","vector_id":"vec_seg_97710_329","created_at":"2026-10-31T05:42:18Z","speaker_name":"Fred A. Neil"},{"id":"seg_97710_33","meeting_id":"97710","media_asset_id":"med_97710_a0b6d813968b0577","agenda_item_id":null,"speaker_id":"spk_97710_mike_rhodes","speaker_confidence":0.85,"start_sec":922.58,"end_sec":934.16,"text":"All right. Okay. So, um I'm not going to read through each slide. However, uh Central Services, we operate strictly out of the general fund. Um we are the support services for all of the labor services throughout the city. We maintain the vehicles, we maintain the buildings, we provide procurement services, mail services, things of that nature.","topics_json":"[\"budget\"]","vector_id":"vec_seg_97710_33","created_at":"2026-10-31T05:42:18Z","speaker_name":"Mike Rhodes"},{"id":"seg_97710_330","meeting_id":"97710","media_asset_id":"med_97710_a0b6d813968b0577","agenda_item_id":null,"speaker_id":"off_donyale_m_hall","speaker_confidence":0.95,"start_sec":7693.13,"end_sec":7694.48,"text":"I have the question. Can you hear me?","topics_json":"[]","vector_id":"vec_seg_97710_330","created_at":"2026-10-31T05:42:18Z","speaker_name":"Donyale M. Hall"},{"id":"seg_97710_331","meeting_id":"97710","media_asset_id":"med_97710_a0b6d813968b0577","agenda_item_id":null,"speaker_id":"off_fred_a_neil","speaker_confidence":0.95,"start_sec":7694.48,"end_sec":7695.66,"text":"Yes.","topics_json":"[]","vector_id":"vec_seg_97710_331","created_at":"2026-10-31T05:42:18Z","speaker_name":"Fred A. Neil"},{"id":"seg_97710_332","meeting_id":"97710","media_asset_id":"med_97710_a0b6d813968b0577","agenda_item_id":null,"speaker_id":"off_donyale_m_hall","speaker_confidence":0.95,"start_sec":7695.66,"end_sec":7743.58,"text":"Okay. Um it's more it's more a statement than a question. Um just a cautionary uh measure for integrating AI. I'd like to um just uh point your attention to uh using closed-source AI as opposed to open-source, just um so that we can maintain some security measures um in that environment. That was just my comment. Thanks so much.","topics_json":"[]","vector_id":"vec_seg_97710_332","created_at":"2026-10-31T05:42:18Z","speaker_name":"Donyale M. Hall"},{"id":"seg_97710_333","meeting_id":"97710","media_asset_id":"med_97710_a0b6d813968b0577","agenda_item_id":null,"speaker_id":"off_fred_a_neil","speaker_confidence":0.95,"start_sec":7743.58,"end_sec":7753.9,"text":"Yeah, definitely. Okay, this next is uh who we got? Library? Um. All right. Yay.","topics_json":"[]","vector_id":"vec_seg_97710_333","created_at":"2026-10-31T05:42:18Z","speaker_name":"Fred A. Neil"},{"id":"seg_97710_334","meeting_id":"97710","media_asset_id":"med_97710_a0b6d813968b0577","agenda_item_id":null,"speaker_id":"spk_97710_brian_sylvester","speaker_confidence":0.9,"start_sec":7753.9,"end_sec":7783.96,"text":"All right. In the interest of time, I won't do much of a formal presentation, but I'm happy to answer questions about any of my slides. Uh if we could advance to the Direction from Council slide, please? Uh I will talk just very briefly about this one, because it is a little bit fiddly. This is something we've been talking about at Library Advisory Commission meetings. Uh so right now, as the system currently exists with Kent County, we receive about $155,000 a year from them through their library uh tax districts. Uh that is one of the smallest chunks of money that they distribute to any of the five libraries that are in Kent County.","topics_json":"[\"budget\",\"taxes\"]","vector_id":"vec_seg_97710_334","created_at":"2026-10-31T05:42:18Z","speaker_name":"Brian Sylvester"},{"id":"seg_97710_335","meeting_id":"97710","media_asset_id":"med_97710_a0b6d813968b0577","agenda_item_id":null,"speaker_id":"spk_97710_brian_sylvester","speaker_confidence":0.9,"start_sec":7783.96,"end_sec":7813.27,"text":"Uh it's a little bit complicated as to why, but basically a tax is being assessed to everybody that lives in the Capital School District, but does not live within city limits of Dover. That's where that money comes from, that $155,000. Uh it's based on uh 0.033 per $100 of assessed value. Uh so that was at our request. We didn't want to double-tax Dover residents, because they're already paying property tax, which goes towards support of our library.","topics_json":"[\"budget\",\"taxes\"]","vector_id":"vec_seg_97710_335","created_at":"2026-10-31T05:42:18Z","speaker_name":"Brian Sylvester"},{"id":"seg_97710_336","meeting_id":"97710","media_asset_id":"med_97710_a0b6d813968b0577","agenda_item_id":null,"speaker_id":"spk_97710_brian_sylvester","speaker_confidence":0.9,"start_sec":7813.27,"end_sec":7840.85,"text":"Uh the fiddly bit is that we keep track of where all of the library users live, and 64% of our current library card holders live in the unincorporated parts of Kent County. So we are predominantly serving that community, but we're not getting a huge amount of money back out of it to support our operations. Uh I don't necessarily have a solution to this issue. I just want to make you all aware of it. It's something that we've been talking about for several months. Uh Council President Neil is our uh liaison to the Library Advisory Commission. Uh so I just wanted to have it on everybody's radar that this is something that we've noticed, something that we're just looking at ways to do address. And with that, I'll just open it up to questions.","topics_json":"[\"budget\",\"taxes\"]","vector_id":"vec_seg_97710_336","created_at":"2026-10-31T05:42:18Z","speaker_name":"Brian Sylvester"},{"id":"seg_97710_337","meeting_id":"97710","media_asset_id":"med_97710_a0b6d813968b0577","agenda_item_id":null,"speaker_id":"off_fred_a_neil","speaker_confidence":0.95,"start_sec":7840.85,"end_sec":7842.73,"text":"Do you have questions? Anybody? Yes, ma'am.","topics_json":"[]","vector_id":"vec_seg_97710_337","created_at":"2026-10-31T05:42:18Z","speaker_name":"Fred A. Neil"},{"id":"seg_97710_338","meeting_id":"97710","media_asset_id":"med_97710_a0b6d813968b0577","agenda_item_id":null,"speaker_id":"off_tricia_k_arndt","speaker_confidence":0.9,"start_sec":7842.73,"end_sec":7845.84,"text":"Just to clarify, so that tax is being levied by Kent County? Where is that coming from? Okay.","topics_json":"[\"taxes\"]","vector_id":"vec_seg_97710_338","created_at":"2026-10-31T05:42:18Z","speaker_name":"Tricia K. Arndt"},{"id":"seg_97710_339","meeting_id":"97710","media_asset_id":"med_97710_a0b6d813968b0577","agenda_item_id":null,"speaker_id":"spk_97710_brian_sylvester","speaker_confidence":0.9,"start_sec":7845.84,"end_sec":7846.61,"text":"Kent County Levy Court.","topics_json":"[\"taxes\"]","vector_id":"vec_seg_97710_339","created_at":"2026-10-31T05:42:18Z","speaker_name":"Brian Sylvester"},{"id":"seg_97710_34","meeting_id":"97710","media_asset_id":"med_97710_a0b6d813968b0577","agenda_item_id":null,"speaker_id":"spk_97710_mike_rhodes","speaker_confidence":0.85,"start_sec":934.32,"end_sec":976.86,"text":"With that being said, if you look at the 5,000-ft view, you can see some of the numbers that we put out with these divisions. Um these numbers climb every year, that's one thing I want to emphasize on. There's more work orders in the fleet division, there's more work orders in the facilities division, there's more buildings, there's more cars, there's more people in the city that we're providing mail services and procurement services and things of that nature. With that being said, I would draw your attention to point trees in the individual divisions and departments.","topics_json":"[]","vector_id":"vec_seg_97710_34","created_at":"2026-10-31T05:42:18Z","speaker_name":"Mike Rhodes"},{"id":"seg_97710_340","meeting_id":"97710","media_asset_id":"med_97710_a0b6d813968b0577","agenda_item_id":null,"speaker_id":"off_tricia_k_arndt","speaker_confidence":0.9,"start_sec":7846.61,"end_sec":7847.29,"text":"Thank you.","topics_json":"[]","vector_id":"vec_seg_97710_340","created_at":"2026-10-31T05:42:18Z","speaker_name":"Tricia K. Arndt"},{"id":"seg_97710_341","meeting_id":"97710","media_asset_id":"med_97710_a0b6d813968b0577","agenda_item_id":null,"speaker_id":"off_fred_a_neil","speaker_confidence":0.95,"start_sec":7847.29,"end_sec":7849.21,"text":"Okay. Well, we got another Okay.","topics_json":"[]","vector_id":"vec_seg_97710_341","created_at":"2026-10-31T05:42:18Z","speaker_name":"Fred A. Neil"},{"id":"seg_97710_342","meeting_id":"97710","media_asset_id":"med_97710_a0b6d813968b0577","agenda_item_id":null,"speaker_id":"off_david_l_anderson","speaker_confidence":0.95,"start_sec":7849.21,"end_sec":7864.25,"text":"Thank you. Um the um by the way, uh Council President Neil's definitely been advocating on that regard. Um uh we'll see, see where it goes, but we should all definitely support him uh and give our support to him on that. Um I have a uh just a question. Um how have you been uh","topics_json":"[]","vector_id":"vec_seg_97710_342","created_at":"2026-10-31T05:42:18Z","speaker_name":"David L. Anderson"},{"id":"seg_97710_343","meeting_id":"97710","media_asset_id":"med_97710_a0b6d813968b0577","agenda_item_id":null,"speaker_id":"off_gerald_l_rocha_sr","speaker_confidence":0.85,"start_sec":7864.25,"end_sec":7880.84,"text":"library seems every time I go seems to be running well, and it seems to be a safe, secure environment. Um what what what has the feedback been, um, from the customers to you? Um it I know you've implemented some new security and other things. Um are people feeling that that's um been effective or","topics_json":"[\"public_safety\"]","vector_id":"vec_seg_97710_343","created_at":"2026-10-31T05:42:18Z","speaker_name":"Gerald L. Rocha, Sr."},{"id":"seg_97710_344","meeting_id":"97710","media_asset_id":"med_97710_a0b6d813968b0577","agenda_item_id":null,"speaker_id":"spk_97710_brian_sylvester","speaker_confidence":0.9,"start_sec":7881.05,"end_sec":7896.77,"text":"I believe so. The most recent survey we put out to the community, we scored uh it was like a 4.1 out of five stars on uh whether or not they felt we were a secure facility. Uh we have pretty good ratings on all of our social media followings, and Google reviews is pretty solid. Uh we try to keep an eye on those. Uh we're we haven't done a survey in 2025. We'll probably look to do one in 2026 just to get that kind of feedback, but from my perspective uh things seem to be going quite well.","topics_json":"[\"public_safety\"]","vector_id":"vec_seg_97710_344","created_at":"2026-10-31T05:42:18Z","speaker_name":"Brian Sylvester"},{"id":"seg_97710_345","meeting_id":"97710","media_asset_id":"med_97710_a0b6d813968b0577","agenda_item_id":null,"speaker_id":"off_fred_a_neil","speaker_confidence":0.9,"start_sec":7896.93,"end_sec":7900.88,"text":"All right. Thank you, Brian. Let's move on. Who's next? Parks and Recreation, okay.","topics_json":"[]","vector_id":"vec_seg_97710_345","created_at":"2026-10-31T05:42:18Z","speaker_name":"Fred A. Neil"},{"id":"seg_97710_346","meeting_id":"97710","media_asset_id":"med_97710_a0b6d813968b0577","agenda_item_id":null,"speaker_id":"off_roy_sudler_jr","speaker_confidence":0.8,"start_sec":7901.24,"end_sec":7904.39,"text":"Thank you to the grounds crew for all the efforts the last few days, appreciate it.","topics_json":"[]","vector_id":"vec_seg_97710_346","created_at":"2026-10-31T05:42:18Z","speaker_name":"Roy Sudler, Jr."},{"id":"seg_97710_347","meeting_id":"97710","media_asset_id":"med_97710_a0b6d813968b0577","agenda_item_id":null,"speaker_id":"spk_97710_steve_shevock","speaker_confidence":0.85,"start_sec":7904.61,"end_sec":7905.57,"text":"You're welcome. You're welcome.","topics_json":"[]","vector_id":"vec_seg_97710_347","created_at":"2026-10-31T05:42:19Z","speaker_name":"Steve Shevock"},{"id":"seg_97710_348","meeting_id":"97710","media_asset_id":"med_97710_a0b6d813968b0577","agenda_item_id":null,"speaker_id":"spk_97710_steve_shevock","speaker_confidence":0.85,"start_sec":7906.14,"end_sec":8021.91,"text":"All right, so I'll start with the Parks and Recreation department is responsible for maintaining city-owned properties, parks, playgrounds, sports fields, as well as provide recreation for activities and activities for the public. Um I would say one of the biggest challenges we are currently facing um is our aging infrastructure as far as playgrounds go. That's going to be something that's on the radar moving forward. Um I'm working on coming up with a plan to get those on a schedule to be replaced. Um we have some that are getting towards the end of their life cycle, so that's going to be something we have to do in order to keep those. Um something to keep in mind with these playgrounds also is now we're getting into the ADA playgrounds, so that's going to be an additional cost as we go. Um, some of the other challenges we're starting to see: neighboring municipalities, the county, they're starting to offer some of the same recreation that we are. Um, I wouldn't say it's hurt our numbers, but we've definitely noticed we've kind of flatlined. So we're going to have to start looking at other options. Um, we've started making contact with these other groups to try to make sure our schedules don't overlap so we're not hurting each other. Um, that's been a a great help so far. Overall, I think the it's just to keep in mind the make sure we do the investment to keep these parks and facilities up to date so that they're to the standard that everybody expects. Um, our residents expect them to look great, as do I, so we want to keep them at that level. Does anybody have any questions?","topics_json":"[\"budget\"]","vector_id":"vec_seg_97710_348","created_at":"2026-10-31T05:42:19Z","speaker_name":"Steve Shevock"},{"id":"seg_97710_349","meeting_id":"97710","media_asset_id":"med_97710_a0b6d813968b0577","agenda_item_id":null,"speaker_id":"off_brian_e_lewis","speaker_confidence":0.95,"start_sec":8022.7,"end_sec":8044.35,"text":"I do have a question. Um this is something you never followed up with me, but uh you were allocated uh some moneys uh to go towards a new playground over in my district. As you recall, we had a public hearing and all. Yes. Uh I don't know, you know, what transpired because a poll was taken. Uh if, in fact, uh that's not going to proceed through, will that money um be put into next year's fiscal budget? Will it turn over, or what is your anticipation?","topics_json":"[\"budget\"]","vector_id":"vec_seg_97710_349","created_at":"2026-10-31T05:42:19Z","speaker_name":"Brian E. Lewis"},{"id":"seg_97710_35","meeting_id":"97710","media_asset_id":"med_97710_a0b6d813968b0577","agenda_item_id":null,"speaker_id":"spk_97710_mike_rhodes","speaker_confidence":0.85,"start_sec":976.99,"end_sec":983.03,"text":"So, staffing has relatively stayed the same, and one of the things that I want to draw attention to is the more vehicles, the more buildings, the more people we have here, the more things we have to support.","topics_json":"[]","vector_id":"vec_seg_97710_35","created_at":"2026-10-31T05:42:18Z","speaker_name":"Mike Rhodes"},{"id":"seg_97710_350","meeting_id":"97710","media_asset_id":"med_97710_a0b6d813968b0577","agenda_item_id":null,"speaker_id":"spk_97710_steve_shevock","speaker_confidence":0.85,"start_sec":8044.7,"end_sec":8050.29,"text":"That's something that we'll have to figure out what would be the best place for those funds to go. Um did you receive the the statistics on that?","topics_json":"[\"budget\"]","vector_id":"vec_seg_97710_350","created_at":"2026-10-31T05:42:19Z","speaker_name":"Steve Shevock"},{"id":"seg_97710_351","meeting_id":"97710","media_asset_id":"med_97710_a0b6d813968b0577","agenda_item_id":null,"speaker_id":"off_brian_e_lewis","speaker_confidence":0.95,"start_sec":8050.51,"end_sec":8050.97,"text":"No.","topics_json":"[]","vector_id":"vec_seg_97710_351","created_at":"2026-10-31T05:42:19Z","speaker_name":"Brian E. Lewis"},{"id":"seg_97710_352","meeting_id":"97710","media_asset_id":"med_97710_a0b6d813968b0577","agenda_item_id":null,"speaker_id":"spk_97710_steve_shevock","speaker_confidence":0.85,"start_sec":8051.16,"end_sec":8053.02,"text":"I will I will double-check. You should have got that a long time ago. I will I will follow","topics_json":"[]","vector_id":"vec_seg_97710_352","created_at":"2026-10-31T05:42:19Z","speaker_name":"Steve Shevock"},{"id":"seg_97710_353","meeting_id":"97710","media_asset_id":"med_97710_a0b6d813968b0577","agenda_item_id":null,"speaker_id":"off_brian_e_lewis","speaker_confidence":0.95,"start_sec":8053.17,"end_sec":8060.86,"text":"I haven't heard anything back from you or anybody in your department uh since we had that public hearing on whether the people wanted the playground or they didn't want the playground. Uh, but","topics_json":"[]","vector_id":"vec_seg_97710_353","created_at":"2026-10-31T05:42:19Z","speaker_name":"Brian E. 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Rocha, Sr."},{"id":"seg_97710_355","meeting_id":"97710","media_asset_id":"med_97710_a0b6d813968b0577","agenda_item_id":null,"speaker_id":"spk_97710_ryan_holmes","speaker_confidence":0.85,"start_sec":8067.65,"end_sec":8068.45,"text":"Yes.","topics_json":"[]","vector_id":"vec_seg_97710_355","created_at":"2026-10-31T05:42:19Z","speaker_name":"Ryan Holmes"},{"id":"seg_97710_356","meeting_id":"97710","media_asset_id":"med_97710_a0b6d813968b0577","agenda_item_id":null,"speaker_id":"off_gerald_l_rocha_sr","speaker_confidence":0.9,"start_sec":8068.45,"end_sec":8070.35,"text":"Uh, so what's going to happen with that money?","topics_json":"[\"budget\"]","vector_id":"vec_seg_97710_356","created_at":"2026-10-31T05:42:19Z","speaker_name":"Gerald L. Rocha, Sr."},{"id":"seg_97710_357","meeting_id":"97710","media_asset_id":"med_97710_a0b6d813968b0577","agenda_item_id":null,"speaker_id":"spk_97710_ryan_holmes","speaker_confidence":0.85,"start_sec":8070.35,"end_sec":8097.85,"text":"So those funds those funds, my suggestion would be if once we I talk to you, I'll make sure you get those numbers, um to figure out what we're going to do if we're going to move forward with that playground. If not, those numbers could be something that goes towards, um, just for instance we had a slide at Silver Lake that broke. Somebody kicked a hole through it. Um, that slide is like $12,000. So this is our second slide for the year that has broke. So those are funds that we could use to replace our existing issues, use to say.","topics_json":"[\"budget\"]","vector_id":"vec_seg_97710_357","created_at":"2026-10-31T05:42:19Z","speaker_name":"Ryan Holmes"},{"id":"seg_97710_358","meeting_id":"97710","media_asset_id":"med_97710_a0b6d813968b0577","agenda_item_id":null,"speaker_id":"off_gerald_l_rocha_sr","speaker_confidence":0.9,"start_sec":8097.85,"end_sec":8099.65,"text":"All right. No further questions.","topics_json":"[]","vector_id":"vec_seg_97710_358","created_at":"2026-10-31T05:42:19Z","speaker_name":"Gerald L. Rocha, Sr."},{"id":"seg_97710_359","meeting_id":"97710","media_asset_id":"med_97710_a0b6d813968b0577","agenda_item_id":null,"speaker_id":"spk_97710_ryan_holmes","speaker_confidence":0.85,"start_sec":8099.65,"end_sec":8100.65,"text":"Okay.","topics_json":"[]","vector_id":"vec_seg_97710_359","created_at":"2026-10-31T05:42:19Z","speaker_name":"Ryan Holmes"},{"id":"seg_97710_36","meeting_id":"97710","media_asset_id":"med_97710_a0b6d813968b0577","agenda_item_id":null,"speaker_id":"spk_97710_presenter","speaker_confidence":0.9,"start_sec":983.03,"end_sec":1153.13,"text":"support, and we're doing that with less less people and less funds. So if we add, just for instance, five vehicles to the police department, that puts a bigger strain on my divisions. They're having to put more time, more effort, and more general fund money into the repair of these vehicles. We currently have the same size buildings that we've had all along that we're trying to cram more vehicles in for repairs, and the same thing with facilities. One of the biggest obstacle obstacles that we've ran into with facilities is on the last slide, um is staff retention and recruitment. Um we've had retirements, we've had transfers, and we've had uh one that left to pursue other opportunities, and we have struggled for the last 6 months to get the applications in to fill these positions. We have luckily been able to fill uh three of the vacated positions. However, two crucial positions, and it's we're not we're we're getting at some applications, but we're not getting very many, and the applications we are getting are underskilled. We're getting applications from entry-level employees that we need to have experience. The experience is just not coming in, and that is a real concern because we're having to budget for avenues of covering these positions in their absence. So, one specifically, when you talk about the HVAC systems in these buildings, we just invested a ton of money into these HVAC systems in all these different buildings to get everything up to par. Well, one of these positions is the maintenance of these HVACs. So, we're having to subcontract that out to an actual contractor to come in and do the filter changes and the cleanings and things of that nature on these systems, which that money is extra on top of what we're already budgeting for. So, it's actually costing us money not filling these positions. And with the newer technologies, I'm going to switch back over to to fleet and procurement. With the newer technologies coming out, I see it because I'm a mechanic by trade. You look at the vehicles in on the roads today. They have completely changed the platforms in these in these vehicles. You're no longer seeing the eight cylinders and the six cylinders. You're seeing them converting horsepower from four-cylinder engines and turbochargers and things of that nature. All these components are unknown outcomes. We don't know how these engines are going to play out in 5 years. We don't know how they're going to hold up in, you know, 10 years. And so, trying to budget for the maintenance and repair of these vehicles, also the training for our technicians, the available, you know, uh space in our garages for these vehicles to be worked on, these are all variables that are changing. Um the biggest thing to keep in mind, again, staff, we do not have the inflow of applicants putting in for these positions that we need to be able to sustain this new technology. Outside of building space and staffing, those are my major concerns. Um as the the rest of the city grows, we need to ensure that we're looking at that, you know, if we're adding vehicles, if we're adding buildings, if we're adding tasks, all that's going to require training, staff, and building space. Any questions? Very good.","topics_json":"[\"budget\",\"public_safety\"]","vector_id":"vec_seg_97710_36","created_at":"2026-10-31T05:42:18Z","speaker_name":null},{"id":"seg_97710_360","meeting_id":"97710","media_asset_id":"med_97710_a0b6d813968b0577","agenda_item_id":null,"speaker_id":"spk_97710_fred_a_neil","speaker_confidence":0.95,"start_sec":8100.65,"end_sec":8110.65,"text":"Good job, Ryan. Thank you. Moving on. Planning and Inspections. The acting Planning and Inspections Director and Assistant City Manager and other duties as assigned.","topics_json":"[]","vector_id":"vec_seg_97710_360","created_at":"2026-10-31T05:42:19Z","speaker_name":null},{"id":"seg_97710_361","meeting_id":"97710","media_asset_id":"med_97710_a0b6d813968b0577","agenda_item_id":null,"speaker_id":"spk_97710_sharon_duca","speaker_confidence":0.95,"start_sec":8110.65,"end_sec":8111.85,"text":"Good morning.","topics_json":"[]","vector_id":"vec_seg_97710_361","created_at":"2026-10-31T05:42:19Z","speaker_name":"Sharon Duca"},{"id":"seg_97710_362","meeting_id":"97710","media_asset_id":"med_97710_a0b6d813968b0577","agenda_item_id":null,"speaker_id":"off_fred_a_neil","speaker_confidence":0.9,"start_sec":8111.65,"end_sec":8112.35,"text":"Good morning.","topics_json":"[]","vector_id":"vec_seg_97710_362","created_at":"2026-10-31T05:42:19Z","speaker_name":"Fred A. Neil"},{"id":"seg_97710_363","meeting_id":"97710","media_asset_id":"med_97710_a0b6d813968b0577","agenda_item_id":null,"speaker_id":"spk_97710_sharon_duca","speaker_confidence":0.95,"start_sec":8112.35,"end_sec":8257.45,"text":"Just wanted to check to make sure it still was. Um, I have had the pleasure of getting to know and working with the Department of Planning, Inspections, and Community Development for a little over 2 years now. Um, I have to say one of the best things about this crew is they are determined. Um, they have quite a few challenges before them, which I'm going to talk about one in particular today, but they have persevered and they are doing the best they can to meet the demand that's out there. Um, tying that together with our challenge, um, the biggest issue for uh planning, code enforcement, community development, building inspections, and um permitting and licensing is our staffing levels. Um, we have a budgeted staffing level of 18, and yet we have six vacancies, which is significant. Um, we have been spending um in order to make things meet, we've been spending some money on consultant services and building inspections um to help do the plan reviews for building permits. Uh, they have uh provided some help with inspections where needed. Um, and on the planning side, we have also used consultant assistance in order to get plans out. Um, and code enforcement has had some uh fluctuation in staff turnover. Um, but they have that's the biggest challenge for them is turnover, not opposed to actually trouble finding replacements. Uh, building inspections and planning, we have been struggling actually receiving applications of any sort. Um, I would say over the past 2 years we've received maybe 10 per position, um and some of those weren't even qualified. Uh, our biggest issue with plan review, building inspections, actual planning services is that we're competing with the private consulting world now. Um, a lot of municipalities are going to consultant services. We've been analyzing this over the past year or so to try to determine what the best avenues are. Um, we did make a strategic request for for the next budget year, um, which would result in a possibility of being expense neutral by maybe reevaluating a couple positions in inspections. Um, planning is a little more challenging um based upon the amount of services available, and we are continuing to look at that. Um, so basically that's what I want to focus on. Uh, we are also looking at more efficient software that could","topics_json":"[\"budget\",\"zoning\"]","vector_id":"vec_seg_97710_363","created_at":"2026-10-31T05:42:19Z","speaker_name":"Sharon Duca"},{"id":"seg_97710_364","meeting_id":"97710","media_asset_id":"med_97710_a0b6d813968b0577","agenda_item_id":null,"speaker_id":"spk_97710_unknown_speaker","speaker_confidence":0.8,"start_sec":8257.46,"end_sec":8263.36,"text":"it helps staff out to be more productive and efficient. Um so I'd be more than willing to take any questions.","topics_json":"[]","vector_id":"vec_seg_97710_364","created_at":"2026-10-31T05:42:19Z","speaker_name":null},{"id":"seg_97710_365","meeting_id":"97710","media_asset_id":"med_97710_a0b6d813968b0577","agenda_item_id":null,"speaker_id":"spk_97710_council_president","speaker_confidence":0.8,"start_sec":8263.36,"end_sec":8264.88,"text":"Council President Neil, did you have a question?","topics_json":"[]","vector_id":"vec_seg_97710_365","created_at":"2026-10-31T05:42:19Z","speaker_name":null},{"id":"seg_97710_366","meeting_id":"97710","media_asset_id":"med_97710_a0b6d813968b0577","agenda_item_id":null,"speaker_id":"off_fred_a_neil","speaker_confidence":0.95,"start_sec":8265.16,"end_sec":8273.96,"text":"No, I'm going to sort reserve my remarks because we have a guest that is going to be presenting to us and I do not want to interfere with that.","topics_json":"[]","vector_id":"vec_seg_97710_366","created_at":"2026-10-31T05:42:19Z","speaker_name":"Fred A. Neil"},{"id":"seg_97710_367","meeting_id":"97710","media_asset_id":"med_97710_a0b6d813968b0577","agenda_item_id":null,"speaker_id":"spk_97710_council_president","speaker_confidence":0.8,"start_sec":8273.96,"end_sec":8274.96,"text":"Okay.","topics_json":"[]","vector_id":"vec_seg_97710_367","created_at":"2026-10-31T05:42:19Z","speaker_name":null},{"id":"seg_97710_368","meeting_id":"97710","media_asset_id":"med_97710_a0b6d813968b0577","agenda_item_id":null,"speaker_id":"off_roy_sudler_jr","speaker_confidence":0.9,"start_sec":8274.96,"end_sec":8275.66,"text":"Okay.","topics_json":"[]","vector_id":"vec_seg_97710_368","created_at":"2026-10-31T05:42:19Z","speaker_name":"Roy Sudler, Jr."},{"id":"seg_97710_369","meeting_id":"97710","media_asset_id":"med_97710_a0b6d813968b0577","agenda_item_id":null,"speaker_id":"spk_97710_unknown_speaker","speaker_confidence":0.8,"start_sec":8275.66,"end_sec":8276.26,"text":"Thank you.","topics_json":"[]","vector_id":"vec_seg_97710_369","created_at":"2026-10-31T05:42:19Z","speaker_name":null},{"id":"seg_97710_37","meeting_id":"97710","media_asset_id":"med_97710_a0b6d813968b0577","agenda_item_id":null,"speaker_id":"off_tricia_k_arndt","speaker_confidence":0.85,"start_sec":1153.13,"end_sec":1159.43,"text":"So, you identified the challenges, um, what are your thoughts on solutions? What what would you like to see moving forward?","topics_json":"[\"budget\"]","vector_id":"vec_seg_97710_37","created_at":"2026-10-31T05:42:18Z","speaker_name":"Tricia K. Arndt"},{"id":"seg_97710_370","meeting_id":"97710","media_asset_id":"med_97710_a0b6d813968b0577","agenda_item_id":null,"speaker_id":"off_roy_sudler_jr","speaker_confidence":0.9,"start_sec":8276.26,"end_sec":8361.76,"text":"Thank you. Um I asked uh Senator Paradee to be here if he could today for two reasons. One, Dover is his district and so we look to him for leadership and guidance and money um to to help the city out on a variety of things. Uh and secondly because this week the governor's presented his State of the State followed by his budget message yesterday and uh the I guess the theme of the budget message yesterday was cut the budget cut the budget cut the budget. Don't spend anywhere near what we what we what was allocated in previous years. 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Um but from a uh you know just kind of an overview and and what what was presented uh to the legislature and to the public yesterday, um honestly I was pleasantly surprised. I mean it his budget seemed like a good sensible uh approach. Um he did talk about the fact that there was going to be some cuts in in different areas. Um quite honestly we have not seen those yet, but we're going to start getting into that. So on Tuesday the Joint Finance Committee uh begins its deliberations. For those of you who uh might not be completely familiar with how the Joint Finance Committee works, um and how the state's budget process works, the way it the way it works is the govern- the governor presents what is what we refer to as the GRB, that the governor's recommended budget. And um once that is and I literally just got that yesterday afternoon. It's a document about this thick. Um so I haven't had a chance to to really go through it yet. Um but the Joint Finance Committee is comprised of 12 members of the legislature, um six from the Senate, uh six from the House, and throughout the throughout the month of February we have um representatives from all the different state agencies, all the uh cabinet secretaries and a lot of key division heads that come in uh before the Joint Finance Committee and and essentially defend their their budget and and also, you know, occasionally ask for other things that maybe the governor didn't see fit to include in his budget. Um so we haven't seen what cuts that he's talking about, but I I will say um there's there's not a lot of new significant spending. 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Um uh and I think there's the Community Transportation Funds that that I'm able to designate for the city, all that is in the bond bill.","topics_json":"[\"budget\"]","vector_id":"vec_seg_97710_373","created_at":"2026-10-31T05:42:19Z","speaker_name":null},{"id":"seg_97710_374","meeting_id":"97710","media_asset_id":"med_97710_a0b6d813968b0577","agenda_item_id":null,"speaker_id":"spk_97710_senator","speaker_confidence":0.85,"start_sec":8477.05,"end_sec":8483.2,"text":"Um and from a historical perspective, sending $230 million to the bond bill, you know, historically speaking, that's a that's a huge deal. That's a that's a pretty big deal.","topics_json":"[\"budget\"]","vector_id":"vec_seg_97710_374","created_at":"2026-10-31T05:42:19Z","speaker_name":null},{"id":"seg_97710_375","meeting_id":"97710","media_asset_id":"med_97710_a0b6d813968b0577","agenda_item_id":null,"speaker_id":"spk_97710_senator","speaker_confidence":0.85,"start_sec":8483.2,"end_sec":8520.83,"text":"Um I I will say, over the last few years, we've had a couple years where it was close to $800 million, right? So so we're down a little bit from where we were coming out of the pandemic in terms of, you know, the total amount of cash going to bond. Um but again, you know, from a historical perspective, it's a it's a it's a good chunk of money.","topics_json":"[\"budget\"]","vector_id":"vec_seg_97710_375","created_at":"2026-10-31T05:42:19Z","speaker_name":null},{"id":"seg_97710_376","meeting_id":"97710","media_asset_id":"med_97710_a0b6d813968b0577","agenda_item_id":null,"speaker_id":"spk_97710_senator","speaker_confidence":0.85,"start_sec":8520.83,"end_sec":8537.66,"text":"Um all that being said, the governor's budget also does include roughly $160 million in in fees and taxes. Um my understanding of those fees and taxes, though, and what was presented to us yesterday, was that is that that is on the uh on the corporate side, that it is not meant to uh affect individual uh households, uh taxpayers. Not does not uh affect personal income tax.","topics_json":"[\"taxes\",\"budget\"]","vector_id":"vec_seg_97710_376","created_at":"2026-10-31T05:42:19Z","speaker_name":null},{"id":"seg_97710_377","meeting_id":"97710","media_asset_id":"med_97710_a0b6d813968b0577","agenda_item_id":null,"speaker_id":"spk_97710_senator","speaker_confidence":0.85,"start_sec":8537.66,"end_sec":8564.92,"text":"Um so, you know, we'll take a look at what that fee package looks like. Um it looks like that would include a uh an increase of $50 on the LLC tax, taking it from 300 to 350. Uh there's now well over a million LLCs that are registered in Delaware. Um I'm not sure what the breakdown is between in-state and out-of-state.","topics_json":"[\"taxes\",\"business\"]","vector_id":"vec_seg_97710_377","created_at":"2026-10-31T05:42:19Z","speaker_name":null},{"id":"seg_97710_378","meeting_id":"97710","media_asset_id":"med_97710_a0b6d813968b0577","agenda_item_id":null,"speaker_id":"spk_97710_senator","speaker_confidence":0.85,"start_sec":8564.92,"end_sec":8595.41,"text":"Um but, you know, it could have some you know, that's a little bit of an impact on some small businesses uh that that are located in Delaware. And you also have some folks, you know, for instance, real estate investors who they might have, you know, 5, 10, 12 uh rental properties, sometimes they will put each rental property into a separate LLC. Um so there might be some folks who who are a little upset about that, and we'll have those conversations over the next couple months in the legislature.","topics_json":"[\"housing\",\"business\",\"taxes\"]","vector_id":"vec_seg_97710_378","created_at":"2026-10-31T05:42:19Z","speaker_name":null},{"id":"seg_97710_379","meeting_id":"97710","media_asset_id":"med_97710_a0b6d813968b0577","agenda_item_id":null,"speaker_id":"spk_97710_senator","speaker_confidence":0.85,"start_sec":8595.41,"end_sec":8608.58,"text":"Um but um so in terms of that, you know, that good chunk of money going to the bond bill, some of that is going to depend on, you know, whether that fee package gets gets passed. Um but uh gosh, other than that, are are there any questions from members of the panel or anything in particular that you're concerned or looking at? Yeah. Uh Councilman Anderson?","topics_json":"[\"budget\"]","vector_id":"vec_seg_97710_379","created_at":"2026-10-31T05:42:19Z","speaker_name":null},{"id":"seg_97710_38","meeting_id":"97710","media_asset_id":"med_97710_a0b6d813968b0577","agenda_item_id":null,"speaker_id":"spk_97710_presenter","speaker_confidence":0.9,"start_sec":1159.43,"end_sec":1179.63,"text":"The solutions are, as far as staffing goes, I do not have an answer. I I cannot explain why, other than the competition in the private sector is pretty brutal. Um, I know ev- Yes. Um, automotive shops and carpenters and HVAC technicians are pretty much making double what we're","topics_json":"[\"budget\"]","vector_id":"vec_seg_97710_38","created_at":"2026-10-31T05:42:18Z","speaker_name":null},{"id":"seg_97710_380","meeting_id":"97710","media_asset_id":"med_97710_a0b6d813968b0577","agenda_item_id":null,"speaker_id":"off_david_l_anderson","speaker_confidence":0.95,"start_sec":8608.58,"end_sec":8642.48,"text":"Uh thank you, Senator. The I want to first thank you for your time and and for uh for sharing with us. Um I guess uh my question deals with the the great work that you've done with the uh the safety funding,","topics_json":"[\"public_safety\",\"budget\"]","vector_id":"vec_seg_97710_380","created_at":"2026-10-31T05:42:19Z","speaker_name":"David L. Anderson"},{"id":"seg_97710_381","meeting_id":"97710","media_asset_id":"med_97710_a0b6d813968b0577","agenda_item_id":null,"speaker_id":"spk_97710_senator","speaker_confidence":0.85,"start_sec":8642.48,"end_sec":8643.17,"text":"Yeah.","topics_json":"[]","vector_id":"vec_seg_97710_381","created_at":"2026-10-31T05:42:19Z","speaker_name":null},{"id":"seg_97710_382","meeting_id":"97710","media_asset_id":"med_97710_a0b6d813968b0577","agenda_item_id":null,"speaker_id":"off_david_l_anderson","speaker_confidence":0.95,"start_sec":8643.17,"end_sec":8650.68,"text":"and um and uh one, um sounds like there'll be no change in that uh dollar amount. And two, uh you're probably aware that we're we have a little struggle with language","topics_json":"[\"public_safety\",\"budget\"]","vector_id":"vec_seg_97710_382","created_at":"2026-10-31T05:42:19Z","speaker_name":"David L. Anderson"},{"id":"seg_97710_383","meeting_id":"97710","media_asset_id":"med_97710_a0b6d813968b0577","agenda_item_id":null,"speaker_id":"spk_97710_unknown_speaker","speaker_confidence":0.6,"start_sec":8650.67,"end_sec":8660.97,"text":"enabling language this year as opposed to last year, and we're hoping that we can get get that fixed. Anyway, thank you, sir.","topics_json":"[\"budget\"]","vector_id":"vec_seg_97710_383","created_at":"2026-10-31T05:42:19Z","speaker_name":null},{"id":"seg_97710_384","meeting_id":"97710","media_asset_id":"med_97710_a0b6d813968b0577","agenda_item_id":null,"speaker_id":"spk_97710_trey_paradee","speaker_confidence":0.9,"start_sec":8654.77,"end_sec":8655.57,"text":"Yep.","topics_json":"[]","vector_id":"vec_seg_97710_384","created_at":"2026-10-31T05:42:19Z","speaker_name":"Trey Paradee"},{"id":"seg_97710_385","meeting_id":"97710","media_asset_id":"med_97710_a0b6d813968b0577","agenda_item_id":null,"speaker_id":"spk_97710_trey_paradee","speaker_confidence":0.9,"start_sec":8661.17,"end_sec":8677.87,"text":"Yeah. So, um, for for those of you who who might not be aware, um I think it's for the last two or three years, uh it's two? Two years, three years? Just the past two years. Um we were able to get some additional funding uh for the City of Dover. I believe it was one 1.6 million?","topics_json":"[\"budget\"]","vector_id":"vec_seg_97710_385","created_at":"2026-10-31T05:42:19Z","speaker_name":"Trey Paradee"},{"id":"seg_97710_386","meeting_id":"97710","media_asset_id":"med_97710_a0b6d813968b0577","agenda_item_id":null,"speaker_id":"spk_97710_unknown_speaker","speaker_confidence":0.6,"start_sec":8677.87,"end_sec":8678.77,"text":"Right.","topics_json":"[]","vector_id":"vec_seg_97710_386","created_at":"2026-10-31T05:42:19Z","speaker_name":null},{"id":"seg_97710_387","meeting_id":"97710","media_asset_id":"med_97710_a0b6d813968b0577","agenda_item_id":null,"speaker_id":"spk_97710_trey_paradee","speaker_confidence":0.9,"start_sec":8678.87,"end_sec":8847.27,"text":"And kind of the genesis of that, if um you think back, um I mean this goes back 5, 6, 7 years ago, something like that. Um the city was really, um, incurring a lot of cost related to providing services to the college campuses that that we have in Dover, right? And you remember there was, um, talk in in this room at one point, uh a few years ago, about instituting some sort of like non-profit tax, um, and that didn't really go over uh so well with a lot of people. But it but it was really to help, you know, the fact I saw the uh uh Fire Chief uh here, Dave Carey, um you know one of the things I remember reading in the paper at that time was, you know, the fire department was having to make 300-plus calls a year up to the DSU campus. And that was before, um, DSU had acquired the Wesley campus. Um at the same time, you know, we now have a University of Delaware property. We have, obviously, DelTech, DSU, DSU Downtown. Um the city is having to provide not just uh not just fire, obviously, but also police protection. Although, you know, DSU does have their own police force, City of Dover is oftentimes having to uh respond to things that might be going on both their campuses. Um, so going back a couple years ago in the legislature, the City of Newark was having the same issue, and they were pretty upset uh about, you know, the fact that they were, you know, as a city they were being asked to, you know, keep all these young people safe. Uh, young people who generally were not contributing to the city tax base. So, um, we came up with this idea of creating a fund primarily to help the two cities in our state that provide that have to that have to keep all these young college kids safe, right? Um, so that's that's where that came from. Now things have changed a little bit with uh with Newark. Um they do not receive money um in that in that manner anymore um because they were able to get a, what is it, a $50 per student per per semester fee for the University of Delaware students. And I think that gives them, um, I think I think that number approaches like $2 million uh that goes to the City of Newark uh that that way. Um, so anyhow we we have, you know, this past budget we were or the current budget year that we're in, we were able to maintain that $1.6 million in additional funding for the city. And again, that was really to offset that cost. Um, while not necessarily tying it to a specific, um, program that that you might be running. Again, there you know, there is a cost of running these, um, you know, to running the fire department to these different campuses. There's","topics_json":"[\"budget\",\"public_safety\",\"taxes\"]","vector_id":"vec_seg_97710_387","created_at":"2026-10-31T05:42:19Z","speaker_name":"Trey Paradee"},{"id":"seg_97710_388","meeting_id":"97710","media_asset_id":"med_97710_a0b6d813968b0577","agenda_item_id":null,"speaker_id":"spk_97710_trey_paradee","speaker_confidence":0.9,"start_sec":8847.28,"end_sec":8887.95,"text":"the cost to um uh running police. You know, arguably, um if the city was not tasked with uh providing these services to the campuses, they would not need as many police. They would not need as many police cars. They would not need as many um uh you know, resources from the fire department. So, that's kind of where that where that came from. And it's I know it's very important to the council members who are here to in terms of balancing your budget. Um it's important to me to make sure that you have all the resources that that you need. And, so that's certainly a priority for me. Um as as you know, I I am chairing the Joint Finance Committee this year for the state. So, it does kind of put me into a position to, you know, to So, I I can't I can't promise anything, but that is certainly a priority for me.","topics_json":"[\"budget\",\"public_safety\"]","vector_id":"vec_seg_97710_388","created_at":"2026-10-31T05:42:19Z","speaker_name":"Trey Paradee"},{"id":"seg_97710_389","meeting_id":"97710","media_asset_id":"med_97710_a0b6d813968b0577","agenda_item_id":null,"speaker_id":"off_fred_a_neil","speaker_confidence":0.95,"start_sec":8887.95,"end_sec":8888.7,"text":"Thank you.","topics_json":"[]","vector_id":"vec_seg_97710_389","created_at":"2026-10-31T05:42:19Z","speaker_name":"Fred A. Neil"},{"id":"seg_97710_39","meeting_id":"97710","media_asset_id":"med_97710_a0b6d813968b0577","agenda_item_id":null,"speaker_id":"spk_97710_city_staff","speaker_confidence":0.9,"start_sec":1179.64,"end_sec":1203.64,"text":"they're offering in the private sect- Um, as far as building space, you're talking massive amounts of money, which we have been at a deficit for the last couple years trying to, you know, be as frugal as possible with our funds. So the CIP planning on that side of the house has been kind of pushed down the road. Um, but it's getting to the point to where we're going to have to start looking at that ugly price tag. And we're we're probably talking in the millions of dollars.","topics_json":"[\"budget\"]","vector_id":"vec_seg_97710_39","created_at":"2026-10-31T05:42:18Z","speaker_name":null},{"id":"seg_97710_390","meeting_id":"97710","media_asset_id":"med_97710_a0b6d813968b0577","agenda_item_id":null,"speaker_id":"off_fred_a_neil","speaker_confidence":0.95,"start_sec":8888.7,"end_sec":9027.92,"text":"Uh thank you, uh Mr. Uh Trey, we have a serious problem uh based on a broken justice system that has affected you directly and is direct- affects us. We're not being able to uh take care of people who cannot take care of themselves because of addiction, mental illnesses, what have you. They can't help themselves, and we can't hold them acc- uh accountable for what their actions are, which are basically destroying properties uh that are affecting the tax base. Uh as uh people are worried about uh these people coming in, using their porches, using our streets for toilets and other things. I know you're aware of it, but that's something that has to be addressed at the uh legislative level uh because if it isn't, then we cannot do what we have to do to expand our tax base because it's being destroyed on a continual basis. And a lot of our people who are coming here don't realize that what we have to do to have it done. Uh we've already talked about, I've sent you information on housing which we will not discuss. I will also be reaching out to you uh on a program that I hope that we can work out a match from the city and maybe the county. I was hoping to have information now, but I don't. But I'll send that to you as soon as I have that on a program that will help people who are coming out of prison and actually put them to work to help us in the cleanup that has to come on now. So, I leave that with you in terms of what can we do to fix this this uh justice system that permits people to continually go over and over again doing the same kind of damage that they're doing now even though they can't help themselves. What about this? I yield.","topics_json":"[\"homelessness\",\"public_safety\",\"taxes\",\"housing\"]","vector_id":"vec_seg_97710_390","created_at":"2026-10-31T05:42:19Z","speaker_name":"Fred A. Neil"},{"id":"seg_97710_391","meeting_id":"97710","media_asset_id":"med_97710_a0b6d813968b0577","agenda_item_id":null,"speaker_id":"spk_97710_trey_paradee","speaker_confidence":0.9,"start_sec":9027.92,"end_sec":9043.89,"text":"Yeah. So, I think I think probably everybody in the room is is um is aware. You know, this this summer, we we really experienced a pretty dramatic uh uptick in homelessness in the city. And and at the same time starting, I guess, in late June, uh just this rash of break-ins and um theft and other damages uh being caused throughout the city. Uh I'm not immune, and the first week of July, I went to visit my son who now lives in Montana, and I came back and found out that a whole group of folks apparently had a week-long party in my office while I was away and uh put about $8,000","topics_json":"[\"homelessness\",\"public_safety\"]","vector_id":"vec_seg_97710_391","created_at":"2026-10-31T05:42:19Z","speaker_name":"Trey Paradee"},{"id":"seg_97710_392","meeting_id":"97710","media_asset_id":"med_97710_a0b6d813968b0577","agenda_item_id":null,"speaker_id":"spk_97710_trey_paradee","speaker_confidence":0.95,"start_sec":9043.89,"end_sec":9240.49,"text":"tons of water into my basement, um, which as you can imagine caused quite a bit of damage. So I, um, it - but to get, you know, to really get to your question, uh, councilman, it - it's really a matter of - of resources. Now, going back a couple months ago, um, actually probably back into September, uh, myself and - and Todd Stonesifer, who many of you, uh, know here, who's, you know, is, uh, the - the president of the, uh, Downtown Dover, um, Partnership - thank you - um, met with Kathy Jennings, the attorney general, and her team, and to express the frustration that a lot of - a lot of us who, uh, live and work in the city, um, were having with just this - this explosion of homelessness and the crimes that were associated with it. And one of the things that she, uh, that, uh, the attorney general expressed to, uh, to Todd and I is that they - they simply do not have enough resources in the courts. And - and one of the things that the attorney general, uh, explained to Todd is that there - there are days where they are just overwhelmed with cases, and in the Court of Common Pleas in particular, where, uh, as she was explaining to us, you know, \"Hey, there - there are days where a prosecutor might be assigned 40 or more cases in one day.\" And she said, you know, in those 40 cases, there might be four or five that involve a violent crime where somebody literally got physically hurt in some - some way. And she said, you know, those cases are a priority. They have to be prosecuted, and unfortunately, there's only so much time in the day, and so a lot of cases were being nolle prossed. And I know that's very, um, frustrating to - to residents who have been affected by crime. I know that it's very frustrating to the, uh, police officers from, uh, you know, from the the the newest privates all the way up to the chief, because I've had had those conversations. And I know it's very frustrating for the police officers who, you know, might arrest somebody for a break-in, and, you know, they're finding out weeks later that that case has been dropped for - for whatever reason. And, um, so, uh, you know, again going back to priorities, uh, that I have going into the budget year, is I want to get Kathy Jennings a couple more prosecutors for - for, uh, for Kent County, and maybe that will help to alleviate some of that. Um, we're also, um, you know, the the other part of the court system is, is you have to have, um, you have to have, uh, uh, you know, good prosecutors, but you also have to have, um, good attorneys on the the other side of the equation, too, the the Office of Defense Services. Um, and that has been an issue over the last few years, uh, in terms of making sure that there's enough attorneys on both sides so that these cases can provide - can move forward. So we have been working on addressing that. Um, there have been significant, uh, pay increases, and - and it's, you know, you think, you know, you think, \"Well gosh, you know, nobody wants to, uh,\" you know, no- there aren't many people in this - in this society that have a lot of sympathy for attorneys, but the reality is our court systems have to have, you know, we In order to have a functioning system, we have to have them. The problem we had, you know, going back about 3 years ago, is a starting salary for an attorney, um, for the state, whether they're in the Office of, uh, Defense Services or on the prosecution","topics_json":"[\"public_safety\",\"budget\",\"homelessness\"]","vector_id":"vec_seg_97710_392","created_at":"2026-10-31T05:42:19Z","speaker_name":"Trey Paradee"},{"id":"seg_97710_393","meeting_id":"97710","media_asset_id":"med_97710_a0b6d813968b0577","agenda_item_id":null,"speaker_id":"spk_97710_chunk48_speaker","speaker_confidence":0.8,"start_sec":9240.49,"end_sec":9257.09,"text":"-tion side was about $65,000 a year. Well, a good a good young attorney coming out of law school could could could earn double that in the private sector. So, again, we address that. Hopefully, we can get them a couple more judges and and get more of these cases prosecuted. Um, is there is there any water? Anybody have an extra water, by any chance? Let me grab one.","topics_json":"[\"budget\",\"public_safety\"]","vector_id":"vec_seg_97710_393","created_at":"2026-10-31T05:42:19Z","speaker_name":null},{"id":"seg_97710_394","meeting_id":"97710","media_asset_id":"med_97710_a0b6d813968b0577","agenda_item_id":null,"speaker_id":"spk_97710_chunk48_speaker","speaker_confidence":0.8,"start_sec":9257.09,"end_sec":9324.54,"text":"Um, so the other thing uh I wanted to talk about that's kind of related to all this uh, and again this ties into uh yesterday's presentation uh on the budget from the governor and and some other and some other recent things that have been in the paper about this, is this uh rural health initiative grant that the that the state got. Um, there's there's a lot in the press, if, you know, if you just do a, you know, Google search you can probably get some more information. But, um, that's going to work out to it's, um, oh gosh, it's 8- $860, $870 million, um, over 5 years that's supposed to be paid to the state from the federal government, and that is to be used specifically, um, for, um, health-related services in Kent and Sussex, right?","topics_json":"[\"budget\"]","vector_id":"vec_seg_97710_394","created_at":"2026-10-31T05:42:19Z","speaker_name":null},{"id":"seg_97710_395","meeting_id":"97710","media_asset_id":"med_97710_a0b6d813968b0577","agenda_item_id":null,"speaker_id":"spk_97710_chunk48_speaker","speaker_confidence":0.8,"start_sec":9324.54,"end_sec":9357.9,"text":"So, one of the things that the governor has been talking about is establishing a Hope Center somewhere in Kent County and somewhere in Sussex County. Um, and for those of you who aren't aware, um, a few years ago, I guess it's been about 5 years ago, when Governor Meyer was the county executive for New Castle County, you know, they had that influx of, um, of federal funding coming out of the pandemic. I'm, I, I believe it came from ARPA, or or one of those programs. But New Castle County went and bought a Sheraton hotel that was, you know, right on 95, and essentially converted that into a help center to deal with homelessness, to deal with drug addiction, et cetera.","topics_json":"[\"homelessness\",\"housing\"]","vector_id":"vec_seg_97710_395","created_at":"2026-10-31T05:42:19Z","speaker_name":null},{"id":"seg_97710_396","meeting_id":"97710","media_asset_id":"med_97710_a0b6d813968b0577","agenda_item_id":null,"speaker_id":"spk_97710_chunk48_speaker","speaker_confidence":0.8,"start_sec":9357.9,"end_sec":9373.63,"text":"So, um, I'm not sure exactly what that's going to look like, but my my point of bringing this up is the state is going to have some additional resources to bring to the table specifically targeted at dealing with addiction, uh dealing uh dealing with homelessness, and, um, and hopefully, you know, working with the city and and other folks, you know, we can make make some headway.","topics_json":"[\"homelessness\"]","vector_id":"vec_seg_97710_396","created_at":"2026-10-31T05:42:19Z","speaker_name":null},{"id":"seg_97710_397","meeting_id":"97710","media_asset_id":"med_97710_a0b6d813968b0577","agenda_item_id":null,"speaker_id":"spk_97710_chunk48_speaker","speaker_confidence":0.8,"start_sec":9373.63,"end_sec":9437.1,"text":"It's it's, um, you know, these are problems that didn't just pop up overnight. These are problems that, um, you know, quite honestly are are plaguing every small city pretty much in in the uh in the country. Um, matter of fact, I mean, you know, I mentioned I'd been out this summer to visit my son in Montana. Um, you know, the city where he lives, Missoula, um, a little bit bigger than Dover, they they have the same same issues there. Um, you know, you'd see it on their streets as well. Um, and obviously, a lot of it is connected directly to to drug addiction. And so, um, it didn't it didn't uh it didn't happen overnight, it can't be fixed overnight. It's going to It's going to take some time.","topics_json":"[\"homelessness\",\"public_safety\"]","vector_id":"vec_seg_97710_397","created_at":"2026-10-31T05:42:19Z","speaker_name":null},{"id":"seg_97710_398","meeting_id":"97710","media_asset_id":"med_97710_a0b6d813968b0577","agenda_item_id":null,"speaker_id":"off_fred_a_neil","speaker_confidence":0.95,"start_sec":9437.1,"end_sec":9437.1,"text":"Well, thank you. Uh, we know this is a long-term thing. I think one of the biggest problems is that the people who come here do not understand the full uh impact of everything that's happening, because people are not being held accountable. They do it again. And so therefore, in order to preserve, and in order to get the new tax base which is going to help us, which I'll talk about a little bit later uh to the group. But again, thank you for what's happening. We'll keep-","topics_json":"[\"taxes\",\"public_safety\",\"budget\"]","vector_id":"vec_seg_97710_398","created_at":"2026-10-31T05:42:19Z","speaker_name":"Fred A. Neil"},{"id":"seg_97710_399","meeting_id":"97710","media_asset_id":"med_97710_a0b6d813968b0577","agenda_item_id":null,"speaker_id":"off_fred_a_neil","speaker_confidence":0.95,"start_sec":9437.1,"end_sec":9470.7,"text":"keep you informed, because we definitely need that Move It Forward, because it the impact could not come on our citizens. When I look at the records of how much we've spent, and the fact that in three years we have not raised the property tax rate is utterly amazing. And they're asking us, and don't do it again, even though our commitments are far exceeding already what what that money is is going to bring in if if we don't do that. But I thank you very much. You have been a hero and a champion to the city. Thank you, sir.","topics_json":"[\"taxes\",\"budget\"]","vector_id":"vec_seg_97710_399","created_at":"2026-10-31T05:42:19Z","speaker_name":"Fred A. Neil"},{"id":"seg_97710_4","meeting_id":"97710","media_asset_id":"med_97710_a0b6d813968b0577","agenda_item_id":null,"speaker_id":"spk_97710_off_fred_a_neil","speaker_confidence":0.95,"start_sec":13.56,"end_sec":115.35,"text":"Usually, if you go to see a show or an act, you see the person coming on first is for a little bit of entertainment, sort of get you ready for the big star, this big show. The big show really are the members of our staff who I know from personal experience of covering as a newsman, then working for the Mayor of Baltimore as his press officer, and then 20-some years in state government with the State of Maryland, that the members of the staff are the real stars. They're the people who deal with the public more directly. They're the people who deal with getting the work done that has to be done. And I think that this particular time during this great chill, the snow, whatever, they even though it closed the city for 2 days, they didn't get time off. They had to work, even if they were working from home. So they're my heroes, and it's their show today, and it's their show to for for this. So with that, welcome. Delighted to have you, and I turn the entire program over to you, Mr. City Manager. It's yours.","topics_json":"[]","vector_id":"vec_seg_97710_4","created_at":"2026-10-31T05:42:18Z","speaker_name":null},{"id":"seg_97710_40","meeting_id":"97710","media_asset_id":"med_97710_a0b6d813968b0577","agenda_item_id":null,"speaker_id":"spk_97710_council_member","speaker_confidence":0.7,"start_sec":1203.64,"end_sec":1204.44,"text":"Thank you.","topics_json":"[]","vector_id":"vec_seg_97710_40","created_at":"2026-10-31T05:42:18Z","speaker_name":null},{"id":"seg_97710_400","meeting_id":"97710","media_asset_id":"med_97710_a0b6d813968b0577","agenda_item_id":null,"speaker_id":"spk_97710_sean_paradee","speaker_confidence":0.95,"start_sec":9470.7,"end_sec":9473.7,"text":"Thank you, thank you, Council President. Appreciate that. Thank you.","topics_json":"[]","vector_id":"vec_seg_97710_400","created_at":"2026-10-31T05:42:19Z","speaker_name":"Sean Paradee"},{"id":"seg_97710_401","meeting_id":"97710","media_asset_id":"med_97710_a0b6d813968b0577","agenda_item_id":null,"speaker_id":"off_fred_a_neil","speaker_confidence":0.95,"start_sec":9473.7,"end_sec":9474.9,"text":"I yield.","topics_json":"[]","vector_id":"vec_seg_97710_401","created_at":"2026-10-31T05:42:19Z","speaker_name":"Fred A. Neil"},{"id":"seg_97710_402","meeting_id":"97710","media_asset_id":"med_97710_a0b6d813968b0577","agenda_item_id":null,"speaker_id":"off_brian_e_lewis","speaker_confidence":0.95,"start_sec":9474.9,"end_sec":9555.6,"text":"Thank you. Um, I I just have two uh suggestions for you, Mr. Paradee, that maybe you could bring back and tell your colleagues, uh, and see if we could possibly get any funding. But, uh, first and foremost, um, with respect to the Hope Center type program, I think that's an excellent program. I I saw it up in New Castle and and how it functions. And, um, in the city of Dover, we currently have, well, one vacant building that may be a perfect place, which is the old Morris Correctional Center. And also, when the family court moves out into their new building, I don't know if the governor, um, has any ideas of what he's going to put in there, but that's just an idea, maybe, to put a Hope Center there, because we do have the building.","topics_json":"[\"homelessness\",\"housing\",\"budget\"]","vector_id":"vec_seg_97710_402","created_at":"2026-10-31T05:42:19Z","speaker_name":"Brian E. Lewis"},{"id":"seg_97710_403","meeting_id":"97710","media_asset_id":"med_97710_a0b6d813968b0577","agenda_item_id":null,"speaker_id":"spk_97710_sean_paradee","speaker_confidence":0.95,"start_sec":9555.6,"end_sec":9618.1,"text":"Yeah, I I think I think those are, um, probably the the most obvious candidates. I'm not sure that they're necessarily the, um, the the best candidates. I, um, I mean, I have heard with the family court, the old family court building, that there's just a lot of problems with the the building. Um, the Morris Correctional, um, you know, it's an old prison that was built what, probably a hundred years ago. Um, I and I've actually was in inside of that, um. I wasn't held there. [laughter] But no, I was I I've been inside of that building before, um, because I I taught some uh financial literacy classes there, uh shoot, going back probably uh 15 years or so ago. Uh, did a did a series of financial uh literacy classes there that for folks who were being held there. Um, and so when when that's been brought up before, you know, the the, um, you know, it'd be a pretty I think it'd be pretty costly to convert, you know, old jail cells like that into livable space. So, um, and for some reason, you know, I knew Corrections has been they've, you know, whenever that's been brought up, Corrections has always kind of rebuffed that and said, 'Oh, well, we need that building for storage and training.' Um, but um but I but I think it's also important that, um, you know, that that we hear, you know, from nearby residents and nearby business owners, um, you know, how they would feel about, you know, those those properties being used for that purpose. Um, but those those are I I think those would be, you know, obvious candidates in terms of having a conversation just because, again, they are big buildings. Um, one is, you know, vacant, one will soon be vacant. Um, and and I'm not really sure what else, you know, might might be available around town.","topics_json":"[\"homelessness\",\"housing\"]","vector_id":"vec_seg_97710_403","created_at":"2026-10-31T05:42:19Z","speaker_name":"Sean Paradee"},{"id":"seg_97710_404","meeting_id":"97710","media_asset_id":"med_97710_a0b6d813968b0577","agenda_item_id":null,"speaker_id":"off_brian_e_lewis","speaker_confidence":0.95,"start_sec":9618.1,"end_sec":9633.7,"text":"Yeah, it was just uh something I wanted to throw out there, but I'm sure it's already kind of uh been going through the halls of Leg Hall at one point or another. Uh, my my second idea is uh to piggyback off what, um, Mr. Neil was discussing with regard to public safety and the courts and the","topics_json":"[\"public_safety\"]","vector_id":"vec_seg_97710_404","created_at":"2026-10-31T05:42:19Z","speaker_name":"Brian E. 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Does city of Rehoboth still have theirs? Yeah, I had to I I will admit I did have to, you know, talk about a speeding ticket down there one day a number of years back. But are there any other towns that still have them? Not really sure. It's just just Newark and Rehoboth, right?","topics_json":"[\"budget\",\"public_safety\"]","vector_id":"vec_seg_97710_406","created_at":"2026-10-31T05:42:19Z","speaker_name":"Trey Paradee"},{"id":"seg_97710_407","meeting_id":"97710","media_asset_id":"med_97710_a0b6d813968b0577","agenda_item_id":null,"speaker_id":"off_brian_e_lewis","speaker_confidence":0.85,"start_sec":9721.18,"end_sec":9721.63,"text":"Yeah.","topics_json":"[]","vector_id":"vec_seg_97710_407","created_at":"2026-10-31T05:42:19Z","speaker_name":"Brian E. Lewis"},{"id":"seg_97710_408","meeting_id":"97710","media_asset_id":"med_97710_a0b6d813968b0577","agenda_item_id":null,"speaker_id":"spk_97710_trey_paradee","speaker_confidence":0.9,"start_sec":9721.75,"end_sec":9730.73,"text":"Um, that's an interesting concept, and um, you know, um, you know, again, and, you know, the way um Dover has kind of evolved in the way um, you know, we've seen the growth at DSU, and um um, you know, that that might be helpful.","topics_json":"[]","vector_id":"vec_seg_97710_408","created_at":"2026-10-31T05:42:19Z","speaker_name":"Trey Paradee"},{"id":"seg_97710_409","meeting_id":"97710","media_asset_id":"med_97710_a0b6d813968b0577","agenda_item_id":null,"speaker_id":"off_brian_e_lewis","speaker_confidence":0.9,"start_sec":9730.75,"end_sec":9731.11,"text":"Thank you.","topics_json":"[]","vector_id":"vec_seg_97710_409","created_at":"2026-10-31T05:42:19Z","speaker_name":"Brian E. Lewis"},{"id":"seg_97710_41","meeting_id":"97710","media_asset_id":"med_97710_a0b6d813968b0577","agenda_item_id":null,"speaker_id":"spk_97710_city_staff","speaker_confidence":0.9,"start_sec":1204.44,"end_sec":1205.14,"text":"You're welcome.","topics_json":"[]","vector_id":"vec_seg_97710_41","created_at":"2026-10-31T05:42:18Z","speaker_name":null},{"id":"seg_97710_410","meeting_id":"97710","media_asset_id":"med_97710_a0b6d813968b0577","agenda_item_id":null,"speaker_id":"spk_97710_trey_paradee","speaker_confidence":0.9,"start_sec":9731.24,"end_sec":9732.16,"text":"I think that one died.","topics_json":"[]","vector_id":"vec_seg_97710_410","created_at":"2026-10-31T05:42:19Z","speaker_name":"Trey Paradee"},{"id":"seg_97710_411","meeting_id":"97710","media_asset_id":"med_97710_a0b6d813968b0577","agenda_item_id":null,"speaker_id":"off_robin_r_christiansen","speaker_confidence":0.95,"start_sec":9732.56,"end_sec":9771.22,"text":"Well, first, thank you for taking the time to be here today. I appreciate it. A couple of comments that I I want to make. I notice that the governor's budget has continuing money for the drinking water and and wastewater funds and some of the things that we rely on for for some of our capital projects. But the only comment I guess I have is that I did not see the word energy specifically in his budget. Even though there's 17 or 18 bills in the General Assembly that deal with that subject, so a little concerned about what the state's policy might be towards energy, which obviously affects the city of Dover.","topics_json":"[\"budget\"]","vector_id":"vec_seg_97710_411","created_at":"2026-10-31T05:42:19Z","speaker_name":"Robin R. 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You know, cashless bails. You know, there's some people that need to be in jail until their court hearing because they're dangerous. I'm saying, if someone's got a parking ticket, or behind on child support, that's a different issue. I'm talking about make the streets safe. And I give a plug to Council President Neil. Accountability. I'm hell-a-","topics_json":"[\"public_safety\"]","vector_id":"vec_seg_97710_413","created_at":"2026-10-31T05:42:19Z","speaker_name":"Fowles"},{"id":"seg_97710_414","meeting_id":"97710","media_asset_id":"med_97710_a0b6d813968b0577","agenda_item_id":null,"speaker_id":"off_brian_e_lewis","speaker_confidence":0.95,"start_sec":9830.31,"end_sec":9862.21,"text":"kind of cool. If I do race down Loockerman, get a speeding ticket, I got to pay that. If I don't pay that, I'm going to wind up in front of a magistrate, probably in jail, get fined. Our police officers are risking their lives, and I'm hearing from the chief and everything else that they can't prosecute prostitution. If we have laws on the books, why aren't we prosecuting? If we're not going to enforce, let's get them off the books. I'm worried about our police officers. They arrest suspect A Monday, on Saturday they got a shootout with this guy because he now has a gun. It could have been because he robbed somebody. These are things we've got to look at.","topics_json":"[\"public_safety\"]","vector_id":"vec_seg_97710_414","created_at":"2026-10-31T05:42:19Z","speaker_name":"Brian E. Lewis"},{"id":"seg_97710_415","meeting_id":"97710","media_asset_id":"med_97710_a0b6d813968b0577","agenda_item_id":null,"speaker_id":"spk_97710_presenter","speaker_confidence":0.85,"start_sec":9862.21,"end_sec":10026.92,"text":"Yeah, I I I totally I'm I'm with you um on that. And and again, kind of going back to what I was saying about getting um getting our courts properly staffed, making sure that we have enough judges to handle uh the caseload, making sure that there's, you know, enough prosecutors, making sure that there's enough attorneys in the Office of Defense Services. Um again, we're you know we're making some headway there, but um, you know, like like you, I um you know, I've gotten to know the chief real well. I've gotten to speak to a lot of the uh rank-and-file officers, and I know how how frustrated um they are. On on the sentencing, um I you know, I see former Representative uh Andria Bennett back there, she can tell you, you know, over the last um decade or more, that's been a um I think a a real struggle um for the legislature um and just trying to get sentencing um right, getting bail reform right. Um and and there's, you know, folks on both sides of that equation uh that have very strong opinions on um on uh, you know, how, you know, how to best approach that. Um and interestingly, just this past week we had uh a bill by Senator uh Marie Pinkney to um essentially reconstitute a a sentencing committee that apparently had existed in the past and had just kind of, you know, fallen apart. But the idea is to try to get uh folks in the all in the same room, you know, from law enforcement as well as some of the um, you know, reform advocates, etc. Try to get them in the room um and uh uh and people from corrections as well to, you know, just try to make sure that we're doing a better job of putting people behind bars who truly believe you know deserve to be behind bars. Um and uh and then at the same time, just, you know, treating people fairly who who might deserve um a second chance. Yeah.","topics_json":"[\"public_safety\"]","vector_id":"vec_seg_97710_415","created_at":"2026-10-31T05:42:19Z","speaker_name":null},{"id":"seg_97710_416","meeting_id":"97710","media_asset_id":"med_97710_a0b6d813968b0577","agenda_item_id":null,"speaker_id":"spk_97710_jason_lyon","speaker_confidence":0.9,"start_sec":10026.92,"end_sec":10026.92,"text":"Good afternoon. Um, I'm just going to jump right to our challenges slide for the Department of Public Works. Um, one of the one of the biggest challenges we have is lack of public understanding on what we do and what it takes to get done. Uh this this um it can be frustrating for uh staff. It can be frustrating for our admin that have to answer the phones. Um, they're going through a real tough time this week once we came back to work with everything and um um, I'm not really sure how to resolve it. We've tried some things. We have these things called briefings on the internet which uh talk about our programs such as street sweeping, leaf collection, um the mulch giveaway, uh spring clean-up, and it basically outlines everything we do and what, you know, uh certain things like that. We also have a story map that actually goes through each department, or you can jump to each department and it gives as much information as we can. We've also done - um, Councilman Lewis has gotten up -","topics_json":"[]","vector_id":"vec_seg_97710_416","created_at":"2026-10-31T05:42:19Z","speaker_name":"Jason Lyon"},{"id":"seg_97710_417","meeting_id":"97710","media_asset_id":"med_97710_a0b6d813968b0577","agenda_item_id":null,"speaker_id":"spk_97710_city_staff","speaker_confidence":0.95,"start_sec":10026.92,"end_sec":10049.02,"text":"but uh we've also done a demonstration uh for Councilman Lewis's um constituents out in the field with a street sweeper. They had a lot of questions. Um and we went out there and actually had the sweeper and went up and down and described everything, when you use water, how much water, and and all of that. So, um, and actually Mr. Faus was at that presentation sitting behind me. Uh,","topics_json":"[\"infrastructure\"]","vector_id":"vec_seg_97710_417","created_at":"2026-10-31T05:42:19Z","speaker_name":null},{"id":"seg_97710_418","meeting_id":"97710","media_asset_id":"med_97710_a0b6d813968b0577","agenda_item_id":null,"speaker_id":"off_brian_e_lewis","speaker_confidence":0.85,"start_sec":10049.02,"end_sec":10050.32,"text":"Very good presentation.","topics_json":"[]","vector_id":"vec_seg_97710_418","created_at":"2026-10-31T05:42:19Z","speaker_name":"Brian E. Lewis"},{"id":"seg_97710_419","meeting_id":"97710","media_asset_id":"med_97710_a0b6d813968b0577","agenda_item_id":null,"speaker_id":"spk_97710_city_staff","speaker_confidence":0.95,"start_sec":10050.32,"end_sec":10223.52,"text":"Thank you. Um, so that that's a big a big challenge we have. Uh, and uh, maybe also council could help a little bit with um explain, you know, learning maybe a little more and explaining uh to their constituents. I know they have. There's been council people in in front of me right now that um have reached out and then went to their constituents and explained. Sometimes it's not good enough, they come back to me. That's fine with me, but it it it really helps us. Um, number two is budgets. And I'm it's simple things that aren't seen I think, like our uh concrete shaving program where we go out and we actually uh the sidewalks that are lifted up that aren't lifted up because of trees because we can't get a guarantee from the contractor. He gives us three years guarantee on anything they shave, so if it if it changes, they'll come back and fix it. Um, and in the past two years, it has gone up $6,000 to to just accomplish what we did two years ago in footage of concrete. And we try every year in the budget to kind of, you know, incrementally raise it, but now we're doing less than we could do just two years ago and prior to that we really didn't see much of an increase at all. Uh, another project, something we do is uh crack sealing, where we go out into the roads. You've probably seen it, it's almost like a it's a machine and it kind of looks like tar that you know, fixes the uh cracks in the roads, and that extends the road uh life. That um just renting the machine has gone up exponentially, and um the and we have to sign multiple waivers if this happens, whatever, it has to come back cleaner than when we got it, all this stuff. Um, and uh it's not as much the material costing more money, it was just the renting of the machine. Um, the last thing I have here is hiring, and this is really unique to sanitation and the entry-level MEO 1 position. Um, we've had a two uh positions open um for the longest time. I got an email just as I was getting ready to come here that it looks like we filled one and they're going to start on Monday. Um, but with my research and what I've I've I've looked at, I've um investigated two uh private tra- trash haulers. One I talked to, one I just uh researched online. And uh things have changed. The city um probably going back 10 years, 10 years plus, people went to the city to get their CDLs, and they might stay for a few years to get experience, then they went to private, or they might like it, saw the benefit package was better than a, you know, a private company and stayed, cuz the private companies wanted somebody with a CDL. Well, they're now doing what we were doing, and they're they're hiring people that don't have CDLs, they're getting they're helping them get their CDL, and um training them just","topics_json":"[\"budget\",\"infrastructure\"]","vector_id":"vec_seg_97710_419","created_at":"2026-10-31T05:42:19Z","speaker_name":null},{"id":"seg_97710_42","meeting_id":"97710","media_asset_id":"med_97710_a0b6d813968b0577","agenda_item_id":null,"speaker_id":"off_fred_a_neil","speaker_confidence":0.95,"start_sec":1205.14,"end_sec":1224.94,"text":"Move to the next slide. Okay. Customer Customer Services, I'd like Andrea Griffith to come up. Again, you're limited to five minutes, focusing importantly on on what your most critical challenges are. Okay. And Andrea is probably, I guess, I'm not sure, the newest department head, but the newest in terms of people being on board. So, welcome.","topics_json":"[\"budget\"]","vector_id":"vec_seg_97710_42","created_at":"2026-10-31T05:42:18Z","speaker_name":"Fred A. 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We'll do it, but","topics_json":"[]","vector_id":"vec_seg_97710_421","created_at":"2026-10-31T05:42:19Z","speaker_name":null},{"id":"seg_97710_422","meeting_id":"97710","media_asset_id":"med_97710_a0b6d813968b0577","agenda_item_id":null,"speaker_id":"spk_97710_city_staff","speaker_confidence":0.85,"start_sec":10255.15,"end_sec":10264.82,"text":"um those are the really the three biggest challenges I've seen. And um in sanitation it it is it is difficult. We're just not getting quality applicants, or applicants that can pass the background check. So that's all I have if there's any questions.","topics_json":"[]","vector_id":"vec_seg_97710_422","created_at":"2026-10-31T05:42:19Z","speaker_name":null},{"id":"seg_97710_423","meeting_id":"97710","media_asset_id":"med_97710_a0b6d813968b0577","agenda_item_id":null,"speaker_id":"off_andre_m_boggerty","speaker_confidence":0.9,"start_sec":10264.82,"end_sec":10303.91,"text":"Thank you. Uh is there an opportunity uh if if there was a way to get somebody who couldn't pass a background check somewhat bonded, or that for certain partic- positions like sanitation?","topics_json":"[]","vector_id":"vec_seg_97710_423","created_at":"2026-10-31T05:42:19Z","speaker_name":"Andre M. Boggerty"},{"id":"seg_97710_424","meeting_id":"97710","media_asset_id":"med_97710_a0b6d813968b0577","agenda_item_id":null,"speaker_id":"spk_97710_city_staff","speaker_confidence":0.85,"start_sec":10303.91,"end_sec":10313.44,"text":"That would uh I think Naomi could possibly answer that. I really don't, or I don't know the insurance um the insurance ramifications to any of that, or we just follow what, you know, the protocol for hire.","topics_json":"[]","vector_id":"vec_seg_97710_424","created_at":"2026-10-31T05:42:19Z","speaker_name":null},{"id":"seg_97710_425","meeting_id":"97710","media_asset_id":"med_97710_a0b6d813968b0577","agenda_item_id":null,"speaker_id":"off_andre_m_boggerty","speaker_confidence":0.9,"start_sec":10313.44,"end_sec":10314.5,"text":"The HR process basically.","topics_json":"[]","vector_id":"vec_seg_97710_425","created_at":"2026-10-31T05:42:19Z","speaker_name":"Andre M. Boggerty"},{"id":"seg_97710_426","meeting_id":"97710","media_asset_id":"med_97710_a0b6d813968b0577","agenda_item_id":null,"speaker_id":"spk_97710_city_staff","speaker_confidence":0.85,"start_sec":10314.5,"end_sec":10315.14,"text":"Yes, yes.","topics_json":"[]","vector_id":"vec_seg_97710_426","created_at":"2026-10-31T05:42:19Z","speaker_name":null},{"id":"seg_97710_427","meeting_id":"97710","media_asset_id":"med_97710_a0b6d813968b0577","agenda_item_id":null,"speaker_id":"off_donyale_m_hall","speaker_confidence":0.8,"start_sec":10315.14,"end_sec":10319.83,"text":"And there's implications with that as well, right? When you hire someone who doesn't pass the background, and making sure that—","topics_json":"[]","vector_id":"vec_seg_97710_427","created_at":"2026-10-31T05:42:19Z","speaker_name":"Donyale M. 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So there's implications in making sure that we we keep that in mind.","topics_json":"[]","vector_id":"vec_seg_97710_428","created_at":"2026-10-31T05:42:19Z","speaker_name":"Naomi Poole"},{"id":"seg_97710_429","meeting_id":"97710","media_asset_id":"med_97710_a0b6d813968b0577","agenda_item_id":null,"speaker_id":"off_andre_m_boggerty","speaker_confidence":0.9,"start_sec":10336.54,"end_sec":10370.8,"text":"So it did does that include um you know, like substance like urinalysis, you know, stuff like that? It's it's all coupled in there with that?","topics_json":"[]","vector_id":"vec_seg_97710_429","created_at":"2026-10-31T05:42:19Z","speaker_name":"Andre M. 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Um but the just the background, if it's a criminal background, does that does the city view that as a showstopper?","topics_json":"[]","vector_id":"vec_seg_97710_431","created_at":"2026-10-31T05:42:19Z","speaker_name":"Andre M. Boggerty"},{"id":"seg_97710_432","meeting_id":"97710","media_asset_id":"med_97710_a0b6d813968b0577","agenda_item_id":null,"speaker_id":"spk_97710_naomi_poole","speaker_confidence":0.9,"start_sec":10378.69,"end_sec":10380.89,"text":"It depends on what the crime is, and yes.","topics_json":"[]","vector_id":"vec_seg_97710_432","created_at":"2026-10-31T05:42:19Z","speaker_name":"Naomi Poole"},{"id":"seg_97710_433","meeting_id":"97710","media_asset_id":"med_97710_a0b6d813968b0577","agenda_item_id":null,"speaker_id":"off_andre_m_boggerty","speaker_confidence":0.9,"start_sec":10380.89,"end_sec":10381.53,"text":"Okay.","topics_json":"[]","vector_id":"vec_seg_97710_433","created_at":"2026-10-31T05:42:19Z","speaker_name":"Andre M. Boggerty"},{"id":"seg_97710_434","meeting_id":"97710","media_asset_id":"med_97710_a0b6d813968b0577","agenda_item_id":null,"speaker_id":"spk_97710_naomi_poole","speaker_confidence":0.9,"start_sec":10381.53,"end_sec":10386.86,"text":"Um when we start getting into felonies and what that means, yes. From a protection standpoint for the city, we do pause.","topics_json":"[]","vector_id":"vec_seg_97710_434","created_at":"2026-10-31T05:42:19Z","speaker_name":"Naomi Poole"},{"id":"seg_97710_435","meeting_id":"97710","media_asset_id":"med_97710_a0b6d813968b0577","agenda_item_id":null,"speaker_id":"off_andre_m_boggerty","speaker_confidence":0.9,"start_sec":10386.86,"end_sec":10388.93,"text":"Okay. All right, thank you. I yield.","topics_json":"[]","vector_id":"vec_seg_97710_435","created_at":"2026-10-31T05:42:19Z","speaker_name":"Andre M. Boggerty"},{"id":"seg_97710_436","meeting_id":"97710","media_asset_id":"med_97710_a0b6d813968b0577","agenda_item_id":null,"speaker_id":"off_tricia_k_arndt","speaker_confidence":0.9,"start_sec":10388.93,"end_sec":10397.17,"text":"What about um internships or work-study with with trade schools, similar to what the IT department is doing with internships every summer? Kind of grooming folks to to move up?","topics_json":"[]","vector_id":"vec_seg_97710_436","created_at":"2026-10-31T05:42:19Z","speaker_name":"Tricia K. Arndt"},{"id":"seg_97710_437","meeting_id":"97710","media_asset_id":"med_97710_a0b6d813968b0577","agenda_item_id":null,"speaker_id":"spk_97710_city_staff","speaker_confidence":0.85,"start_sec":10397.17,"end_sec":10406.62,"text":"Yeah, so um I don't think in sanitation we really investigated that that much. There is a lot we do have temps that come in um and help help us out during certain seasons, but usually they're temps for a reason.","topics_json":"[]","vector_id":"vec_seg_97710_437","created_at":"2026-10-31T05:42:19Z","speaker_name":null},{"id":"seg_97710_438","meeting_id":"97710","media_asset_id":"med_97710_a0b6d813968b0577","agenda_item_id":null,"speaker_id":"spk_97710_city_staff","speaker_confidence":0.85,"start_sec":10406.62,"end_sec":10420.13,"text":"Um and uh whether it's they can't get their CDL or or I don't I don't I want to speculate. Um but we really, and again I guess that would be an insurance kind of thing cuz they're the MEO 1s are the ones that are on the back of the trucks. 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Um, so it it's it's not a uh easy job.","topics_json":"[]","vector_id":"vec_seg_97710_439","created_at":"2026-10-31T05:42:19Z","speaker_name":"Jason Lyon"},{"id":"seg_97710_44","meeting_id":"97710","media_asset_id":"med_97710_a0b6d813968b0577","agenda_item_id":null,"speaker_id":"off_fred_a_neil","speaker_confidence":0.95,"start_sec":1225.84,"end_sec":1226.44,"text":"You're on.","topics_json":"[]","vector_id":"vec_seg_97710_44","created_at":"2026-10-31T05:42:18Z","speaker_name":"Fred A. Neil"},{"id":"seg_97710_440","meeting_id":"97710","media_asset_id":"med_97710_a0b6d813968b0577","agenda_item_id":null,"speaker_id":"off_tricia_k_arndt","speaker_confidence":0.85,"start_sec":10437.09,"end_sec":10440.5,"text":"Yeah, I would want $26 an hour to do that as well. Thank you.","topics_json":"[\"budget\"]","vector_id":"vec_seg_97710_440","created_at":"2026-10-31T05:42:19Z","speaker_name":"Tricia K. Arndt"},{"id":"seg_97710_441","meeting_id":"97710","media_asset_id":"med_97710_a0b6d813968b0577","agenda_item_id":null,"speaker_id":"off_fred_a_neil","speaker_confidence":0.95,"start_sec":10440.96,"end_sec":10446.15,"text":"Well, basically I'm going to reiterate what you've already heard, and that is number one, what a fantastic job your people have done.","topics_json":"[]","vector_id":"vec_seg_97710_441","created_at":"2026-10-31T05:42:19Z","speaker_name":"Fred A. 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I yield.","topics_json":"[]","vector_id":"vec_seg_97710_443","created_at":"2026-10-31T05:42:19Z","speaker_name":"Fred A. Neil"},{"id":"seg_97710_444","meeting_id":"97710","media_asset_id":"med_97710_a0b6d813968b0577","agenda_item_id":null,"speaker_id":"off_brian_e_lewis","speaker_confidence":0.95,"start_sec":10492.85,"end_sec":10507.99,"text":"Thank you. I do. Uh I don't know if this question was already asked because I had to leave the room for a minute, but we're talking about challenges, um can you elaborate a little on contracting out? Um would it be effective um as far as the budget's concerned to be contracting out to some companies um since we are having these challenges, opposed to not?","topics_json":"[\"budget\"]","vector_id":"vec_seg_97710_444","created_at":"2026-10-31T05:42:19Z","speaker_name":"Brian E. 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Um and uh there is an element of knowing the routes and the days and things of that nature, and the certain there's intricacies all over the place where, you know, you go down an alley here, you don't go down an alley there, you know. Um they usually put their trash cans here. So it it's it's it's a lot of institutional knowledge, a lot of learning that these these drivers have to do, which it's not easy to just dump off on a contractor.","topics_json":"[]","vector_id":"vec_seg_97710_448","created_at":"2026-10-31T05:42:19Z","speaker_name":"Jason Lyon"},{"id":"seg_97710_449","meeting_id":"97710","media_asset_id":"med_97710_a0b6d813968b0577","agenda_item_id":null,"speaker_id":"off_brian_e_lewis","speaker_confidence":0.95,"start_sec":10581.06,"end_sec":10585.61,"text":"Gotcha. Um how about collaborating with the county as far as um who they use or?","topics_json":"[]","vector_id":"vec_seg_97710_449","created_at":"2026-10-31T05:42:19Z","speaker_name":"Brian E. Lewis"},{"id":"seg_97710_45","meeting_id":"97710","media_asset_id":"med_97710_a0b6d813968b0577","agenda_item_id":null,"speaker_id":"spk_97710_andrea_griffith","speaker_confidence":0.95,"start_sec":1226.44,"end_sec":1376.24,"text":"Okay. Good morning, Mayor and members of Council. Thank you for the opportunity to speak. I came into this role with a strong commitment to public service and a genuine passion for serving people, both the residents of the city and the employees that I lead. I believe effective government is built on clear decision-making, strong training, and leaders who empower their teams with the tools they need to succeed. As you consider departmental needs in the upcoming budget, I want to highlight a few structural gaps that directly affect operational effectiveness, risk management, and service delivery. First, there was no formal onboarding or training framework for this position. Critical institutional knowledge is not documented or centralized, which creates a reliance on individual memory rather than systems. From a governance perspective, this presents continuity and compliance risks and limits my ability to model the level of leadership and informed decision-making that I expect of my team. Second, some essential subject matter expertise remained siloed outside of my department. Access to that information has been inconsistent, which has hindered my ability to assess training needs, cross-train for coverage, and establish standard- standardized processes. Training is a core leadership function, and without consistent access to information, it becomes difficult to lead decisively and develop staff effectively. Third, there are role clarity challenges within the department. I currently supervise an employee who previously served in an interim leadership capacity. Without clearly defined boundaries and expectations, this creates confusion in authority, slows implementation, and complicates accountability, all which impact team performance and morale. Additionally, a considerable amount of leadership time has been diverted toward responding to internal matters that do not advance operational goals. That time would be better spent on staff development, process improvement, and ensuring high-quality customer service for our residents. My intent is not to revisit past dynamics, but to ensure that the city is positioned for success going forward. 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That all depends on the the size of the piles and, um, the amount of employees we have on any given day. So, the, uh there is no street sweeping going on then. And then when that ends, um, until mid-March, we suspend the night sweeping because of freezing temperatures, and we have to use water. If we don't use the water, we've we did that presentation. Um,","topics_json":"[]","vector_id":"vec_seg_97710_455","created_at":"2026-10-31T05:42:19Z","speaker_name":"Jason Lyon"},{"id":"seg_97710_456","meeting_id":"97710","media_asset_id":"med_97710_a0b6d813968b0577","agenda_item_id":null,"speaker_id":"spk_97710_jason_lyon","speaker_confidence":0.9,"start_sec":10670.41,"end_sec":10719.31,"text":"um, you know, it it's that's a dust storm everywhere, and it and and the water can aid in the pickup of the uh the stuff on the road. So, mid-March, we will go as long as the temperatures are, uh, you know, back up to normal at night. We we reinstitute our night sweeping. Um, we try, when the night sweeping isn't, um, going on, to get both routes during the day, um, but only if the temperatures are above freezing and we can use water.","topics_json":"[]","vector_id":"vec_seg_97710_456","created_at":"2026-10-31T05:42:19Z","speaker_name":"Jason Lyon"},{"id":"seg_97710_457","meeting_id":"97710","media_asset_id":"med_97710_a0b6d813968b0577","agenda_item_id":null,"speaker_id":"off_brian_e_lewis","speaker_confidence":0.95,"start_sec":10719.31,"end_sec":10738.45,"text":"I know you and I had discussed this, uh, extensively, particularly last year, pertaining to street cleaning. Um, and I know you had indicated to me that, um, there were some issues with hiring people, okay, for that particular department.","topics_json":"[]","vector_id":"vec_seg_97710_457","created_at":"2026-10-31T05:42:19Z","speaker_name":"Brian E. 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With these supports in place, I am confident the department can operate at a higher level, strengthen leadership capacity, and continue delivering responsive, people-centered service to our community.","topics_json":"[]","vector_id":"vec_seg_97710_46","created_at":"2026-10-31T05:42:18Z","speaker_name":null},{"id":"seg_97710_460","meeting_id":"97710","media_asset_id":"med_97710_a0b6d813968b0577","agenda_item_id":null,"speaker_id":"spk_97710_jason_lyon","speaker_confidence":0.9,"start_sec":10754.4,"end_sec":10771.64,"text":"I think back when I talked to you, there was there was people out for, uh, workman's comp or or on light duty, which caused us We I I do remember the the gentleman that came in wasn't a normal sweeper. Um, but, uh, now we haven't had any issues in those divisions.","topics_json":"[]","vector_id":"vec_seg_97710_460","created_at":"2026-10-31T05:42:19Z","speaker_name":"Jason Lyon"},{"id":"seg_97710_461","meeting_id":"97710","media_asset_id":"med_97710_a0b6d813968b0577","agenda_item_id":null,"speaker_id":"off_brian_e_lewis","speaker_confidence":0.95,"start_sec":10771.78,"end_sec":10777.58,"text":"Okay. Um, in respect to, uh, keeping up with time constraints, uh, that's all I have right now. Thank you.","topics_json":"[]","vector_id":"vec_seg_97710_461","created_at":"2026-10-31T05:42:19Z","speaker_name":"Brian E. 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Um, so it's a it's a 5-year permit,","topics_json":"[]","vector_id":"vec_seg_97710_465","created_at":"2026-10-31T05:42:19Z","speaker_name":"Jason Lyon"},{"id":"seg_97710_466","meeting_id":"97710","media_asset_id":"med_97710_a0b6d813968b0577","agenda_item_id":null,"speaker_id":"spk_97710_staff","speaker_confidence":0.8,"start_sec":10813.34,"end_sec":10827.24,"text":"press the councils if we don't comply for it, the fines are uh no less than $1,000 and no more than $10,000 a day. So, that's why we really try to stick to the permit and work hard at um uh maintaining everything.","topics_json":"[\"infrastructure\"]","vector_id":"vec_seg_97710_466","created_at":"2026-10-31T05:42:19Z","speaker_name":null},{"id":"seg_97710_467","meeting_id":"97710","media_asset_id":"med_97710_a0b6d813968b0577","agenda_item_id":null,"speaker_id":"spk_97710_kate_mills","speaker_confidence":0.95,"start_sec":10827.54,"end_sec":11009.94,"text":"I am, yes. I'm substituting for Jason. Uh, Kate Mills, assistant director, water and wastewater. Uh, good afternoon, I think we're at that point now. Uh, so I just, I think council is aware of all the different challenges we face, um just with the different projects and requirements we bring um to utility uh committee and and uh council meetings, but just a brief overview of the challenges. For our water side, um we have old water mains, so discolored water is is still something that we're um we're faced with. Um, and and we're trying to correct that as as much as we can, as quickly as we can. Um, there as we get more um development in the city, there's potential for for higher water demand. Um, another instance of that could be, um you know, with marijuana, there might be cultivation happening in our city and and that would be uh could potentially be a a high water demand for us. Um, and then as as you guys are all well aware, the regulatory requirements that we have for lead and copper, PFAS, um cross-connection control, you know, all those things can can change quickly. Um, so just being able to pivot to whatever the state or um the federal, at the federal level, of if we need to pivot a certain way to to meet a newer version of those regulations, that's something that we have to stay on top of. Um, and then on the wastewater side, tracking and trying to to work best to improve the inflow and infiltration in our in our wastewater conveyance system. So those are some of the um the bigger the bigger challenges for us. Um, and then just overall project costs: equipment, labor, material, every year those those costs go up for us. Uh, so that's that's something else that we, you know, we just have to keep in mind when we plan these projects. Um, and then just jumping to uh direction from council or or feedback from council. So we we have a we have a template. 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So those are just things that I just wanted to point out that we're really working hard to make sure we we keep open communication with the public, um to not just meet the regulatory requirements, but um just to have a good relationship with the public when they call in. They can they can have some ease of mind. Um so with that, I just if if anybody has any questions, I can ask. If I can't answer them, um then I'll I'll definitely make sure to talk with Jason about it and and come back to you all.","topics_json":"[]","vector_id":"vec_seg_97710_468","created_at":"2026-10-31T05:42:19Z","speaker_name":null},{"id":"seg_97710_469","meeting_id":"97710","media_asset_id":"med_97710_a0b6d813968b0577","agenda_item_id":null,"speaker_id":"off_fred_a_neil","speaker_confidence":0.95,"start_sec":11060.75,"end_sec":11064.45,"text":"I think maybe people can smell the food or something. All right.","topics_json":"[]","vector_id":"vec_seg_97710_469","created_at":"2026-10-31T05:42:19Z","speaker_name":"Fred A. Neil"},{"id":"seg_97710_47","meeting_id":"97710","media_asset_id":"med_97710_a0b6d813968b0577","agenda_item_id":null,"speaker_id":"spk_97710_female_speaker","speaker_confidence":0.9,"start_sec":1398.54,"end_sec":1420.04,"text":"The slides that I have created is an oversight of my department, what our service embarks, and all of the, uh, staff responsibilities. Um, I was hoping you guys were probably going to be a- given a copy of this, but if you would like me to, I can still go through the slides if you would like me to. Okay, perfect. All right, with all that said, I conclude. Thank you.","topics_json":"[]","vector_id":"vec_seg_97710_47","created_at":"2026-10-31T05:42:18Z","speaker_name":null},{"id":"seg_97710_470","meeting_id":"97710","media_asset_id":"med_97710_a0b6d813968b0577","agenda_item_id":null,"speaker_id":"off_brian_e_lewis","speaker_confidence":0.95,"start_sec":11064.45,"end_sec":11068.65,"text":"I have some follow-up questions for PD. Is there a representative here?","topics_json":"[\"public_safety\"]","vector_id":"vec_seg_97710_470","created_at":"2026-10-31T05:42:19Z","speaker_name":"Brian E. 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Uh Councilman Sudler Sudler emailed us yesterday, about two days ago, requesting that information. So we were going to have it for today, but we just couldn't have it. There's just too much information to get together. So we will have that next week, and that is being worked on right now.","topics_json":"[\"public_safety\",\"budget\"]","vector_id":"vec_seg_97710_474","created_at":"2026-10-31T05:42:19Z","speaker_name":"Paul Kuntzi"},{"id":"seg_97710_475","meeting_id":"97710","media_asset_id":"med_97710_a0b6d813968b0577","agenda_item_id":null,"speaker_id":"off_brian_e_lewis","speaker_confidence":0.95,"start_sec":11113.05,"end_sec":11119.05,"text":"Okay, awesome. Um what kind of uh revenue is it bringing in to the police department?","topics_json":"[\"public_safety\",\"budget\"]","vector_id":"vec_seg_97710_475","created_at":"2026-10-31T05:42:19Z","speaker_name":"Brian E. 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Lewis"},{"id":"seg_97710_478","meeting_id":"97710","media_asset_id":"med_97710_a0b6d813968b0577","agenda_item_id":null,"speaker_id":"spk_97710_paul_kuntzi","speaker_confidence":0.95,"start_sec":11130.85,"end_sec":11135.35,"text":"I do not know that answer right now. Apologize. But we'll have that all together for you next week with that package.","topics_json":"[\"public_safety\",\"budget\"]","vector_id":"vec_seg_97710_478","created_at":"2026-10-31T05:42:19Z","speaker_name":"Paul Kuntzi"},{"id":"seg_97710_479","meeting_id":"97710","media_asset_id":"med_97710_a0b6d813968b0577","agenda_item_id":null,"speaker_id":"off_brian_e_lewis","speaker_confidence":0.95,"start_sec":11135.35,"end_sec":11140.25,"text":"How about this one: How many officers has the city produced since its establishment?","topics_json":"[\"public_safety\"]","vector_id":"vec_seg_97710_479","created_at":"2026-10-31T05:42:19Z","speaker_name":"Brian E. Lewis"},{"id":"seg_97710_48","meeting_id":"97710","media_asset_id":"med_97710_a0b6d813968b0577","agenda_item_id":null,"speaker_id":"off_andre_m_boggerty","speaker_confidence":0.85,"start_sec":1420.04,"end_sec":1429.84,"text":"Yes, uh could you repeat I I I didn't get the the other two? The first one was funding and training for staff development. What what were the other two?","topics_json":"[\"budget\"]","vector_id":"vec_seg_97710_48","created_at":"2026-10-31T05:42:18Z","speaker_name":"Andre M. Boggerty"},{"id":"seg_97710_480","meeting_id":"97710","media_asset_id":"med_97710_a0b6d813968b0577","agenda_item_id":null,"speaker_id":"spk_97710_paul_kuntzi","speaker_confidence":0.95,"start_sec":11140.25,"end_sec":11149.85,"text":"I think we're right around over 30, between 30 and 35 officers. I believe we've trained 35 Dover officers, and we've retained 30. So it's significantly higher than if we send them somewhere else.","topics_json":"[\"public_safety\"]","vector_id":"vec_seg_97710_480","created_at":"2026-10-31T05:42:19Z","speaker_name":"Paul Kuntzi"},{"id":"seg_97710_481","meeting_id":"97710","media_asset_id":"med_97710_a0b6d813968b0577","agenda_item_id":null,"speaker_id":"off_brian_e_lewis","speaker_confidence":0.95,"start_sec":11149.85,"end_sec":11156.35,"text":"Gotcha. So since its establishment, uh we the City of Dover have ascertained 30 officers?","topics_json":"[\"public_safety\"]","vector_id":"vec_seg_97710_481","created_at":"2026-10-31T05:42:19Z","speaker_name":"Brian E. 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Neil"},{"id":"seg_97710_497","meeting_id":"97710","media_asset_id":"med_97710_a0b6d813968b0577","agenda_item_id":null,"speaker_id":"spk_97710_thomas_johnson","speaker_confidence":0.95,"start_sec":11214.55,"end_sec":11218.25,"text":"How we how we conduct business, how we do uh our policing, yes.","topics_json":"[\"public_safety\"]","vector_id":"vec_seg_97710_497","created_at":"2026-10-31T05:42:19Z","speaker_name":"Thomas Johnson"},{"id":"seg_97710_498","meeting_id":"97710","media_asset_id":"med_97710_a0b6d813968b0577","agenda_item_id":null,"speaker_id":"off_fred_a_neil","speaker_confidence":0.95,"start_sec":11218.25,"end_sec":11220.25,"text":"Okay. All right, thank you, sir. How are you?","topics_json":"[\"public_safety\"]","vector_id":"vec_seg_97710_498","created_at":"2026-10-31T05:42:19Z","speaker_name":"Fred A. Neil"},{"id":"seg_97710_499","meeting_id":"97710","media_asset_id":"med_97710_a0b6d813968b0577","agenda_item_id":null,"speaker_id":"spk_97710_fire_department_representative","speaker_confidence":0.9,"start_sec":11220.25,"end_sec":11403.15,"text":"Good afternoon. I'll make this quick, so everybody wants to go to lunch, I'm sure, and get out of here. Uh first off, we provide fire and rescue services to the city of Dover. Um our biggest uh challenges are funding the operations of the fire department, which includes maintenance, firefighter safety, turnout gear. Um we are doing firefighter physicals now, which include cancer screenings, which is one of the number one causes of firefighter deaths, um as well as um um maintenance of the apparatus. So, uh you know, I'm going to speak real quick on apparatus replacements. Uh we've been replacing apparatus on a 15-year rotation. Um we're doing very well with that. We've we've overcome uh the fallback that we've had from previous years, um but we're moving into a new era with kinda have to replace a ladder truck real soon. Um it's our main cost of uh maintenance cost right now. Uh over the past two years, it's cost us $135,000 to keep it on the street, which is Ladder 1. It's actually parked right now. It's out of service. Um and there's a 4-year turnaround time on receiving something new. So if we ordered it today, we wouldn't see it until probably 2029 or 2030. Uh so you'll probably see that coming up real soon as a CAF to the City Council. Uh the other thing, staffing. So staffing's of course very important to us. Um thanks to Senator Paradee and his efforts with the Grant-in-Aid money, uh we've put in to place the stipend program. We have 50 members that are registered in that right now that are are gaining stipends from staffing the fire station, uh which is an excellent program that we have. We're always building on it, making adjustments. Um you know, nothing's ever perfect, but we're coming along quite well with that. And uh with that stipend program, you know, we still have some struggles with staffing on the weekends and some nights, um but we are we're moving forward. And um the City Manager right now has a CAF on his desk reference to the stipend program to keep that funded. And our idea is to keep that funded for a couple years out, so if that money were to ever go away, the city would have time to go back and look and figure out a way to fund that. So you'll see that coming across your desk here soon. Um and of course, security in the fire station. We've talked about that several times, you know. We have members staying at the fire station staffing fire trucks. Currently, we're normally staffing an engine and a ladder, I would say 95% of the time, sometimes three pieces, which is outstanding. Um but security downtown's an issue. Uh we've had cars broken into, guns stolen out of vehicles. Uh every time we have a call, someone's coming through the parking lot trying door knobs or door handles on cars to see if they can get in, get some change, or whatever the case might be. So, fencing around the fire station is another priority for us to secure the building downtown. Um but like I said, operations and staffing is our main goal. Staffing comes through right now the Grant-in-Aid money as as we've been doing the past couple years. Hopefully that continues, but we want to make sure that's funded out, so if that money were to ever go away, the city has time to figure out a plan on how to fund that. Like I said, there's 50 members enrolled in that now. We...","topics_json":"[\"public_safety\",\"budget\"]","vector_id":"vec_seg_97710_499","created_at":"2026-10-31T05:42:19Z","speaker_name":null},{"id":"seg_97710_5","meeting_id":"97710","media_asset_id":"med_97710_a0b6d813968b0577","agenda_item_id":null,"speaker_id":"spk_97710_david_hugg","speaker_confidence":0.9,"start_sec":115.35,"end_sec":196.6,"text":"Thank you, sir. I appreciate your comments about our staff. We have an awesome staff, and you've certainly seen evidence of that this last 92 hours or whatever it is. This is our annual council workshop, a little bit different this year than than, I think, in the previous years. You have kind of an agenda with the topics that we're going to talk about, and we'll go through them in a minute. The thing that's particularly different is this year, I asked all the all the department heads to address sort of six points as it relates to their department. What they don't know, probably, or maybe they read their email, is today they're going to get 5 minutes, and they're five their 5 minutes is The reason for that is I want them to focus on the most critical thing affecting their department. It may be their function. It may be staffing. It may be whatever it is. But I want I want to hear it just like you want to hear, you know, what's the thing that really is most important to them that they can summarize and present to you in 5 minutes or less. So when we get to that part, they're warned, and I'll call them in order. Our purpose today is, as I said, it's the annual workshop. This time of the year, are you going to put the slides up, or what? Okay. This time of the year, we've we've begun the the budget process. This workshop is intended to get some preliminary, early council input of approvals, if you will, agreements, disagreements as we start to put the budget together. And I'm going to talk a little bit about that as we get in in later into later. One of the crises, or not crises, it's one of the issues that I'm particularly concerned about is sometimes the direction and the expectations from council aren't clear as we go through this process. And and I'm not necessarily convinced that every time we hit on the same same number of topics. So to the extent that we can get more input earlier in the process, we'll we'll do a much better job in our budget. To the budget schedule, next slide. There you go. Put it in your packet. The budget schedule, I think the key point here is that this is a relatively straightforward, but very much involved, process. It starts almost the day after the budget the budget's been","topics_json":"[\"budget\"]","vector_id":"vec_seg_97710_5","created_at":"2026-10-31T05:42:18Z","speaker_name":"David Hugg"},{"id":"seg_97710_50","meeting_id":"97710","media_asset_id":"med_97710_a0b6d813968b0577","agenda_item_id":null,"speaker_id":"off_andre_m_boggerty","speaker_confidence":0.85,"start_sec":1431.64,"end_sec":1432.84,"text":"Of the three key areas, yes.","topics_json":"[]","vector_id":"vec_seg_97710_50","created_at":"2026-10-31T05:42:18Z","speaker_name":"Andre M. Boggerty"},{"id":"seg_97710_500","meeting_id":"97710","media_asset_id":"med_97710_a0b6d813968b0577","agenda_item_id":null,"speaker_id":"spk_97710_david_carey","speaker_confidence":0.95,"start_sec":11403.16,"end_sec":11406.51,"text":"are looking forward to that increasing, and we expect that to increase quite a bit over the next year or so. That's all I have.","topics_json":"[\"public_safety\"]","vector_id":"vec_seg_97710_500","created_at":"2026-10-31T05:42:19Z","speaker_name":"David Carey"},{"id":"seg_97710_501","meeting_id":"97710","media_asset_id":"med_97710_a0b6d813968b0577","agenda_item_id":null,"speaker_id":"off_brian_e_lewis","speaker_confidence":1,"start_sec":11406.89,"end_sec":11424.77,"text":"Good afternoon, Chief. It's 1:00, so it's afternoon now. First of all, I want to commend you for doing an excellent job with your new recruitment drive. My question is, since that drive has been initiated, what is the percentage of applicants that you've received? I know you've been going out to the colleges, the high schools, even the base, if I stand correct. Since its implementation, though, what has been the percentage of volunteers applying?","topics_json":"[\"public_safety\"]","vector_id":"vec_seg_97710_501","created_at":"2026-10-31T05:42:19Z","speaker_name":"Brian E. Lewis"},{"id":"seg_97710_502","meeting_id":"97710","media_asset_id":"med_97710_a0b6d813968b0577","agenda_item_id":null,"speaker_id":"spk_97710_david_carey","speaker_confidence":0.95,"start_sec":11424.9,"end_sec":11437.69,"text":"I would say over the past year, we've probably taken over 40 members in. Now, I will say with that, you retain 15 of those, maybe. You know, a lot of people join the fire department thinking, 'Oh, this is something I've always wanted to do,' until you put them in an air pack and you send them in a burning building, and they're like, 'Hmm, it's not really my thing.' Several of you have been in a burning building with me, right?","topics_json":"[\"public_safety\"]","vector_id":"vec_seg_97710_502","created_at":"2026-10-31T05:42:19Z","speaker_name":"David Carey"},{"id":"seg_97710_503","meeting_id":"97710","media_asset_id":"med_97710_a0b6d813968b0577","agenda_item_id":null,"speaker_id":"spk_97710_david_carey","speaker_confidence":0.95,"start_sec":11438.25,"end_sec":11480.16,"text":"And then they're like, 'Nah, we're not going to do this, right?' So, that's the transition we have to go through. You know, it's great that people want to volunteer. There's something for everyone to do. Administrative duties, riding the fire truck, recruitment, retention, all those things come together and and, like I said, there's a job for everyone. But our main focus is operations. Like we have to put a fire truck on the street, we have to provide that service, and that's just not something everyone decides to do once we put them in that burning building.","topics_json":"[\"public_safety\"]","vector_id":"vec_seg_97710_503","created_at":"2026-10-31T05:42:19Z","speaker_name":"David Carey"},{"id":"seg_97710_504","meeting_id":"97710","media_asset_id":"med_97710_a0b6d813968b0577","agenda_item_id":null,"speaker_id":"spk_97710_city_staff","speaker_confidence":0.85,"start_sec":11480.66,"end_sec":11481.72,"text":"Yeah, I if if you don't mind if I—","topics_json":"[\"public_safety\"]","vector_id":"vec_seg_97710_504","created_at":"2026-10-31T05:42:19Z","speaker_name":null},{"id":"seg_97710_505","meeting_id":"97710","media_asset_id":"med_97710_a0b6d813968b0577","agenda_item_id":null,"speaker_id":"off_fred_a_neil","speaker_confidence":0.95,"start_sec":11481.78,"end_sec":11482.34,"text":"Go ahead.","topics_json":"[\"public_safety\"]","vector_id":"vec_seg_97710_505","created_at":"2026-10-31T05:42:19Z","speaker_name":"Fred A. Neil"},{"id":"seg_97710_506","meeting_id":"97710","media_asset_id":"med_97710_a0b6d813968b0577","agenda_item_id":null,"speaker_id":"spk_97710_city_staff","speaker_confidence":0.85,"start_sec":11482.4,"end_sec":11540.59,"text":"Thank you. Um, first of all, I just want to say publicly how how fortunate we are to have such great leadership at Dover Fire Department, and it extends, you know, beyond David as well. I mean, they're just some, you know, all the folks who are running the fire department are just really tremendous public servants. But, you know, it all it all it all starts at the top, and and and Dave, you just do a great a great job. Um, you you all might not realize, but but David and I stay in touch quite frequently throughout the year, and I try to make sure that he's getting what he needs to do, or what he needs in order to do his job. And, and like some of the members of council here, I every year I attend the end-of-the-year banquet, and and I'm just always really impressed by the number of new, young recruits that that are coming into the fire department. And—","topics_json":"[\"public_safety\"]","vector_id":"vec_seg_97710_506","created_at":"2026-10-31T05:42:19Z","speaker_name":null},{"id":"seg_97710_507","meeting_id":"97710","media_asset_id":"med_97710_a0b6d813968b0577","agenda_item_id":null,"speaker_id":"spk_97710_city_staff","speaker_confidence":0.85,"start_sec":11540.84,"end_sec":11594.74,"text":"and that's a real struggle for towns up and down the state, and and Dover has really proven to be just innovative, and and more successful than than most fire departments up and down the state in terms of attracting, um, uh, young members. And, and it's very interesting to see just the what a diverse group of young people that are coming in. And and the fire department today, if you look at the makeup of it, it is very reflective of our population in this city. And and I think, um, uh, David and and, and all the member all the leadership at Dover Fire Department should really be commended for just doing such a tremendous job keeping us safe. I I'm just so appreciative of everything you do.","topics_json":"[\"public_safety\"]","vector_id":"vec_seg_97710_507","created_at":"2026-10-31T05:42:19Z","speaker_name":null},{"id":"seg_97710_508","meeting_id":"97710","media_asset_id":"med_97710_a0b6d813968b0577","agenda_item_id":null,"speaker_id":"spk_97710_david_carey","speaker_confidence":0.95,"start_sec":11594.74,"end_sec":11595.17,"text":"Thank you.","topics_json":"[\"public_safety\"]","vector_id":"vec_seg_97710_508","created_at":"2026-10-31T05:42:19Z","speaker_name":"David Carey"},{"id":"seg_97710_509","meeting_id":"97710","media_asset_id":"med_97710_a0b6d813968b0577","agenda_item_id":null,"speaker_id":"off_david_l_anderson","speaker_confidence":1,"start_sec":11595.24,"end_sec":11599.77,"text":"I just have a follow-up. With regard to your equipment, I mean it's important, and it's a integral part of your department. Um, when you get—","topics_json":"[\"public_safety\"]","vector_id":"vec_seg_97710_509","created_at":"2026-10-31T05:42:19Z","speaker_name":"David L. Anderson"},{"id":"seg_97710_51","meeting_id":"97710","media_asset_id":"med_97710_a0b6d813968b0577","agenda_item_id":null,"speaker_id":"spk_97710_female_speaker","speaker_confidence":0.9,"start_sec":1432.84,"end_sec":1447.54,"text":"Okay, yes, sir. Funding that supports training and professional development, resources to document and standardized procedures to protect institutional knowledge, and clear governance and reporting structures to promote accountability and efficiency.","topics_json":"[\"budget\"]","vector_id":"vec_seg_97710_51","created_at":"2026-10-31T05:42:18Z","speaker_name":null},{"id":"seg_97710_510","meeting_id":"97710","media_asset_id":"med_97710_a0b6d813968b0577","agenda_item_id":null,"speaker_id":"off_brian_e_lewis","speaker_confidence":1,"start_sec":11599.77,"end_sec":11609.65,"text":"a new apparatus, a new ladder, a new engine, what do you guys do with the old and is there any way that you can recoup funding to go back into the fire department?","topics_json":"[\"budget\",\"public_safety\"]","vector_id":"vec_seg_97710_510","created_at":"2026-10-31T05:42:19Z","speaker_name":"Brian E. Lewis"},{"id":"seg_97710_511","meeting_id":"97710","media_asset_id":"med_97710_a0b6d813968b0577","agenda_item_id":null,"speaker_id":"spk_97710_david_carey","speaker_confidence":1,"start_sec":11609.93,"end_sec":11673.84,"text":"So what we normally do when we sell a piece of apparatus is we take that that money and buy new equipment for the new truck that's coming in. Um so currently right now we're looking at the possibility of purchasing new air packs. So we have an NFPA standard that we have to follow, so every so many years those things have to be replaced. Um it's it it's we have 55 56 air packs right now, it's going to be an $800,000 expenditure when we do it. So, how how do we fix that? You know, um so we try to replace that equipment with the trucks as we replace the apparatus, so when we order a new truck, we try to order new air packs, is what we're trying to get back into, so we don't have a big upfront cost of air packs all at one time. Now of course if we change vendors or something like that, that's a different situation where we we where we would have to do it all at once so we're able to work together and equipment matches up.","topics_json":"[\"budget\",\"public_safety\"]","vector_id":"vec_seg_97710_511","created_at":"2026-10-31T05:42:19Z","speaker_name":"David Carey"},{"id":"seg_97710_512","meeting_id":"97710","media_asset_id":"med_97710_a0b6d813968b0577","agenda_item_id":null,"speaker_id":"off_brian_e_lewis","speaker_confidence":1,"start_sec":11673.91,"end_sec":11674.9,"text":"I know I'm going to get a lot of heat for this question.","topics_json":"[\"public_safety\"]","vector_id":"vec_seg_97710_512","created_at":"2026-10-31T05:42:19Z","speaker_name":"Brian E. Lewis"},{"id":"seg_97710_513","meeting_id":"97710","media_asset_id":"med_97710_a0b6d813968b0577","agenda_item_id":null,"speaker_id":"spk_97710_david_carey","speaker_confidence":1,"start_sec":11674.9,"end_sec":11675.54,"text":"No, you're good.","topics_json":"[\"public_safety\"]","vector_id":"vec_seg_97710_513","created_at":"2026-10-31T05:42:19Z","speaker_name":"David Carey"},{"id":"seg_97710_514","meeting_id":"97710","media_asset_id":"med_97710_a0b6d813968b0577","agenda_item_id":null,"speaker_id":"off_brian_e_lewis","speaker_confidence":1,"start_sec":11675.54,"end_sec":11706.6,"text":"Okay. But it's to help you guys because you know I'm 100% supportive of the Dover Fire Department. In my opinion, it's the best in the nation. Um, we have a lot of nonprofits, okay? And some of these nonprofits bring in a substantial amount of money. You know, we have DSU, you know, we have uh a whole bunch, I'm not going to name them all. But is there any way that you know maybe you could send a letter out or something to the effect that you know you guys need air packs, is there any way, you know, you can maybe contribute something to assisting us with the air packs? Because like with a lot of nonprofits, they don't pay taxes, yet they receive our services.","topics_json":"[\"budget\",\"public_safety\",\"taxes\"]","vector_id":"vec_seg_97710_514","created_at":"2026-10-31T05:42:19Z","speaker_name":"Brian E. Lewis"},{"id":"seg_97710_515","meeting_id":"97710","media_asset_id":"med_97710_a0b6d813968b0577","agenda_item_id":null,"speaker_id":"spk_97710_david_carey","speaker_confidence":1,"start_sec":11706.89,"end_sec":11781.03,"text":"Yes, I understand what you're saying. Um, I can tell you our fund drive, as you know we send a fund drive notice out every year, um we did not make our goal this year. I think it's 10% of the community replies back to those mailings that we do. Don't quote me on my percentage, but that's what I believe it is right now. Um, our corporations don't donate anything to the fire department anymore like they used to, so many years ago your your big industrial facilities throughout the town would give you $2,000 here, $2,000 there. We're not getting that anymore. So, um I know Senator Paradee and I have been in conversations in reference to how to change that and how to educate some people, um how to go to Del State and possibly get some donations from them kind of like the University of Delaware does to to the city of Newark. Um so those are all avenues that we we need to to look at. It's the time to to be able to sit down and actually do those things is is the problem, you know. Um but we can send letters out and try to do that and and see if that would help. I'm not I'm not sure if it would.","topics_json":"[\"budget\",\"public_safety\",\"taxes\",\"business\"]","vector_id":"vec_seg_97710_515","created_at":"2026-10-31T05:42:19Z","speaker_name":"David Carey"},{"id":"seg_97710_516","meeting_id":"97710","media_asset_id":"med_97710_a0b6d813968b0577","agenda_item_id":null,"speaker_id":"off_brian_e_lewis","speaker_confidence":1,"start_sec":11781.31,"end_sec":11785.01,"text":"Well, let me know if there's anything I could do. Again, you know I'm supportive of you guys. That's all I have. Thank you.","topics_json":"[\"public_safety\"]","vector_id":"vec_seg_97710_516","created_at":"2026-10-31T05:42:19Z","speaker_name":"Brian E. 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Neil"},{"id":"seg_97710_519","meeting_id":"97710","media_asset_id":"med_97710_a0b6d813968b0577","agenda_item_id":null,"speaker_id":"spk_97710_david_carey","speaker_confidence":1,"start_sec":11788.13,"end_sec":11788.7,"text":"Absolutely.","topics_json":"[\"public_safety\"]","vector_id":"vec_seg_97710_519","created_at":"2026-10-31T05:42:19Z","speaker_name":"David Carey"},{"id":"seg_97710_52","meeting_id":"97710","media_asset_id":"med_97710_a0b6d813968b0577","agenda_item_id":null,"speaker_id":"off_andre_m_boggerty","speaker_confidence":0.85,"start_sec":1447.54,"end_sec":1448.54,"text":"Thank you.","topics_json":"[]","vector_id":"vec_seg_97710_52","created_at":"2026-10-31T05:42:18Z","speaker_name":"Andre M. 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Neil"},{"id":"seg_97710_525","meeting_id":"97710","media_asset_id":"med_97710_a0b6d813968b0577","agenda_item_id":null,"speaker_id":"off_roy_sudler_jr","speaker_confidence":0.95,"start_sec":11796.37,"end_sec":11804.37,"text":"with the council, um, and then we'll come back and I'll wrap up in three or four hours after that.","topics_json":"[]","vector_id":"vec_seg_97710_525","created_at":"2026-10-31T05:42:19Z","speaker_name":"Roy Sudler, Jr."},{"id":"seg_97710_526","meeting_id":"97710","media_asset_id":"med_97710_a0b6d813968b0577","agenda_item_id":null,"speaker_id":"spk_97710_female_attendee","speaker_confidence":0.5,"start_sec":11804.37,"end_sec":11805.37,"text":"Good luck.","topics_json":"[]","vector_id":"vec_seg_97710_526","created_at":"2026-10-31T05:42:19Z","speaker_name":null},{"id":"seg_97710_527","meeting_id":"97710","media_asset_id":"med_97710_a0b6d813968b0577","agenda_item_id":null,"speaker_id":"off_roy_sudler_jr","speaker_confidence":0.95,"start_sec":11805.37,"end_sec":11842.37,"text":"Um, I want to thank all the members of the of the staff, all the directors, and others who came for for being here today. I know it run a bit longer than I thought it was going to go, but I appreciate you all being honest and forthright and and and helping council and me understand some of your issues and challenges. The documents that you all prepared will become sort of like chapter number one when you write a book, a bloody very start. So there was a a reason I also asked you to to do those things. So kind of so kind of common start point. So, thank you all for for your presentations and uh you're dismissed.","topics_json":"[\"budget\"]","vector_id":"vec_seg_97710_527","created_at":"2026-10-31T05:42:19Z","speaker_name":"Roy Sudler, Jr."},{"id":"seg_97710_528","meeting_id":"97710","media_asset_id":"med_97710_a0b6d813968b0577","agenda_item_id":null,"speaker_id":"off_david_l_anderson","speaker_confidence":0.95,"start_sec":11842.87,"end_sec":11844.37,"text":"That one's on.","topics_json":"[]","vector_id":"vec_seg_97710_528","created_at":"2026-10-31T05:42:19Z","speaker_name":"David L. Anderson"},{"id":"seg_97710_529","meeting_id":"97710","media_asset_id":"med_97710_a0b6d813968b0577","agenda_item_id":null,"speaker_id":"off_david_l_anderson","speaker_confidence":0.95,"start_sec":11845.37,"end_sec":11898.87,"text":"Okay. Um, well, there's slightly a smaller audience than before, but uh we'll I'll pick up kind of where we left off. Um, first of all, what did you think of the departmental presentations? Were they useful, helpful?","topics_json":"[\"budget\"]","vector_id":"vec_seg_97710_529","created_at":"2026-10-31T05:42:19Z","speaker_name":"David L. Anderson"},{"id":"seg_97710_53","meeting_id":"97710","media_asset_id":"med_97710_a0b6d813968b0577","agenda_item_id":null,"speaker_id":"spk_97710_female_speaker","speaker_confidence":0.9,"start_sec":1448.54,"end_sec":1449.84,"text":"You're welcome. Yes, sir.","topics_json":"[]","vector_id":"vec_seg_97710_53","created_at":"2026-10-31T05:42:18Z","speaker_name":null},{"id":"seg_97710_530","meeting_id":"97710","media_asset_id":"med_97710_a0b6d813968b0577","agenda_item_id":null,"speaker_id":"off_fred_a_neil","speaker_confidence":0.95,"start_sec":11898.87,"end_sec":11910.37,"text":"I think it was helpful. I think the statistics were particularly helpful. Uh I know how to clear out a room, because I was the I was the last one to speak, and I declared that, did I not, uh, Mr. Hugg?","topics_json":"[]","vector_id":"vec_seg_97710_530","created_at":"2026-10-31T05:42:19Z","speaker_name":"Fred A. Neil"},{"id":"seg_97710_531","meeting_id":"97710","media_asset_id":"med_97710_a0b6d813968b0577","agenda_item_id":null,"speaker_id":"off_david_l_anderson","speaker_confidence":0.9,"start_sec":11910.37,"end_sec":11911.17,"text":"You did.","topics_json":"[]","vector_id":"vec_seg_97710_531","created_at":"2026-10-31T05:42:19Z","speaker_name":"David L. Anderson"},{"id":"seg_97710_532","meeting_id":"97710","media_asset_id":"med_97710_a0b6d813968b0577","agenda_item_id":null,"speaker_id":"off_fred_a_neil","speaker_confidence":0.95,"start_sec":11911.17,"end_sec":11913.17,"text":"That I would save my remarks the last.","topics_json":"[]","vector_id":"vec_seg_97710_532","created_at":"2026-10-31T05:42:19Z","speaker_name":"Fred A. Neil"},{"id":"seg_97710_533","meeting_id":"97710","media_asset_id":"med_97710_a0b6d813968b0577","agenda_item_id":null,"speaker_id":"off_david_l_anderson","speaker_confidence":0.95,"start_sec":11913.17,"end_sec":11914.17,"text":"For last, yeah.","topics_json":"[]","vector_id":"vec_seg_97710_533","created_at":"2026-10-31T05:42:19Z","speaker_name":"David L. Anderson"},{"id":"seg_97710_534","meeting_id":"97710","media_asset_id":"med_97710_a0b6d813968b0577","agenda_item_id":null,"speaker_id":"off_fred_a_neil","speaker_confidence":0.95,"start_sec":11914.17,"end_sec":11917.37,"text":"I know how to clear out a room. That's for sure.","topics_json":"[]","vector_id":"vec_seg_97710_534","created_at":"2026-10-31T05:42:19Z","speaker_name":"Fred A. Neil"},{"id":"seg_97710_535","meeting_id":"97710","media_asset_id":"med_97710_a0b6d813968b0577","agenda_item_id":null,"speaker_id":"off_david_l_anderson","speaker_confidence":0.95,"start_sec":11917.37,"end_sec":11919.87,"text":"Okay. I'll take some lessons, sir.","topics_json":"[]","vector_id":"vec_seg_97710_535","created_at":"2026-10-31T05:42:19Z","speaker_name":"David L. Anderson"},{"id":"seg_97710_536","meeting_id":"97710","media_asset_id":"med_97710_a0b6d813968b0577","agenda_item_id":null,"speaker_id":"off_fred_a_neil","speaker_confidence":0.95,"start_sec":11919.87,"end_sec":11992.97,"text":"I I think basically the the presentation showing what we've done, let's say over the last 3 years where the tax base, how much it's produced from 2024 fiscal year at five uh 59.2 million, and where it is currently in uh 20 fiscal 2026 at 64 uh 0.7 million. And then you look back on the same 3 years and our tax rate has not climbed. It is still four, four and a half uh cents per 100. We need to have um the tax base has got to increase, and the presentation that uh Councilman Anderson arranged for the Kent County Kent County, uh Kent, um, Economic Partnership which uh we will see in um now in February, basically is important in terms of the spread of the tax base in certain areas of the city where they have participated. But I I emphasized in my conversation with uh Senator Paradee, we need to bit preserve the properties we have now that will not sustain will not increase in value as part of the tax base, Right. simply because of the problems we're having with the broken justice system. The second thing is it becomes important in terms of the evidence of the necessity uh of the Downtown Partnership's master plan, because I don't know what uh the uh Acme property brought in, if anything, and what will it bring in now that we have a an agreement that is in place when that that's going to be built where you have 120 apartments over top of retail, and suddenly now here is an increase, and we need to preserve that as that grows, as that draws more","topics_json":"[\"taxes\",\"budget\",\"business\",\"housing\"]","vector_id":"vec_seg_97710_536","created_at":"2026-10-31T05:42:19Z","speaker_name":"Fred A. Neil"},{"id":"seg_97710_537","meeting_id":"97710","media_asset_id":"med_97710_a0b6d813968b0577","agenda_item_id":null,"speaker_id":"off_fred_a_neil","speaker_confidence":0.95,"start_sec":11992.98,"end_sec":12069.88,"text":"money in to make sure that we have control over people who can't control themselves. And that is a very difficult task that we have. We also have at this particular point noise that's coming to from us from from the public or segments of the public. Not one single person has ever come up to tell us where the money tree is that grows the trees that grow money. None of them said, \"This is where you can get one of those trees.\" And because of that, we have got to stop listening to what is people who are looking for money that we can't get the money for what we need in order to help them. And they're really not helping their own cause in that process. We've even been threatened now by someone who is a a member of a committee, appointed to a committee for the city, who has now threatened us to bully us, to come to our homes with bullhorns and advocates and raise all kinds of heck. We have to basically shield ourselves off from that. And we as members of the council have got to listen and do what we have to do to meet our commitments and to kill keep going forward. And I yield, Mr. Hugg.","topics_json":"[\"budget\",\"public_safety\"]","vector_id":"vec_seg_97710_537","created_at":"2026-10-31T05:42:19Z","speaker_name":"Fred A. Neil"},{"id":"seg_97710_538","meeting_id":"97710","media_asset_id":"med_97710_a0b6d813968b0577","agenda_item_id":null,"speaker_id":"spk_97710_dave_hugg","speaker_confidence":0.95,"start_sec":12069.88,"end_sec":12189.58,"text":"All right. Yeah, I think one point I want to make follow up on that. If you look at that table you were looking at, um you know, our total expenditures went up by 10 by like 10%. The budget went up by 10%. I'm sorry, wrong slide. Our budget went up by 10% in the last last 2 years or 3 years. In the same time period, the general fund only went up by 4%. So we're literally you can see we're just we're we're losing ground quickly. Um let's jump on to um can I do that? Transfer taxes, department overviews. We did them. I don't know what slide this is, but the slide after tell go to the one that says challenges and issues. It's slide 25. There you go, okay. You can flip forward to the next one. All of this material, of course, is in your packet so you I'm not going to try and go through all of it with you. Just a couple points I want to make and it certainly it picks up on on on the point that the Council President just made. Um we tend to make our decisions based on a small number of of of people, a small input in into the actual decision-making process. It's the it really is the squeaky wheel at its at its very best. It occurred to me the other night sitting in council that we have the same, I think I counted 32 people or something, roughly the other night. And the same 30 or so, 40 or so people are driving our decisions. They represent less than 1% of our population. So somehow we've got to hear better, to get better input from the the folks on who understand that yeah, it's going to cost a little more to have a police force. It's going to, you know, if we want to do X, Y, and Z, we need to figure out how to pay for it. So I think that's kind of a challenge for both both sides of this here. You know, for the council as council members and for us as as staff to somehow figure out how to get more input, whether it's in person or you know, printed form or media or social whatever. Um the other thing I think is is the third point there: how do we how well we perform the duties and provide the services","topics_json":"[\"budget\",\"public_safety\",\"taxes\"]","vector_id":"vec_seg_97710_538","created_at":"2026-10-31T05:42:19Z","speaker_name":"Dave Hugg"},{"id":"seg_97710_539","meeting_id":"97710","media_asset_id":"med_97710_a0b6d813968b0577","agenda_item_id":null,"speaker_id":"spk_97710_dave_hugg","speaker_confidence":0.9,"start_sec":12189.58,"end_sec":12218.22,"text":"we are assessed. And I remember once, I think Tony was, Tony DePrima was the city manager and there was, and the sign's still out front. So, \"quality services,\" blah, blah, blah, whatever it says. But there was some kind of a survey thing that council did or we did from time to time that kind of gave some metrics for, \"Yeah, you're doing well; no, you're not doing really well; this is where.\" And I'm thinking that maybe, you know, that's a something we ought to look at perhaps doing again. Some more regular basis for, you kind of heard it today. They told you what they what they think they're doing well, but we really can't measure most of that. And and that that, I think, makes it hard for us to then come to you, come to the public, and say, \"I need 6 cents on the on the tax rate because, you know, this is what we're doing well or not and why we're not not doing it.\" Um, go to the next slide, please.","topics_json":"[\"taxes\",\"budget\"]","vector_id":"vec_seg_97710_539","created_at":"2026-10-31T05:42:19Z","speaker_name":"Dave Hugg"},{"id":"seg_97710_54","meeting_id":"97710","media_asset_id":"med_97710_a0b6d813968b0577","agenda_item_id":null,"speaker_id":"off_david_l_anderson","speaker_confidence":0.95,"start_sec":1449.84,"end_sec":1499.14,"text":"Thank you. Uh I wanted- thank you for, uh, joining Team Dover. I have a question that's related to one of your slides, and it's is, um, as as we are in the, um, a nice cold winter, and of course, uh, nationally, uh, heating, electric rates, etc. have gone up, which happens usually when you have a cold winter, um, and, uh, and there's a lot more competition for, uh, for federal aid for, you know, for bill. Uh, have we seen any particular issues or problems, um, with, uh, that we need to be aware of regarding, uh, past dues, anything that's, uh, you know, that that could, uh, are people, uh, being able to adjust? Are are people having issues or or--","topics_json":"[\"budget\"]","vector_id":"vec_seg_97710_54","created_at":"2026-10-31T05:42:18Z","speaker_name":"David L. Anderson"},{"id":"seg_97710_540","meeting_id":"97710","media_asset_id":"med_97710_a0b6d813968b0577","agenda_item_id":null,"speaker_id":"spk_97710_dave_hugg","speaker_confidence":0.9,"start_sec":12218.73,"end_sec":12265.17,"text":"Okay. Budgetary challenges, I've I've said this to you, you know, a lot in the past, and I'm not going to spend a whole lot of time on it. One of the things that that makes it difficult in Dover is that family incomes are lower than they are in a lot of comparative cities and property values are lower than they are in a lot of comparative cities. And the problem there is that that limits, you know, 3 3 cents on the tax dollar for somebody living in Dover has a much more significant effect than it does somebody in Middletown, let's say, where where the values and all are higher, even though the amounts are higher.","topics_json":"[\"budget\",\"taxes\"]","vector_id":"vec_seg_97710_540","created_at":"2026-10-31T05:42:19Z","speaker_name":"Dave Hugg"},{"id":"seg_97710_541","meeting_id":"97710","media_asset_id":"med_97710_a0b6d813968b0577","agenda_item_id":null,"speaker_id":"spk_97710_dave_hugg","speaker_confidence":0.9,"start_sec":12265.49,"end_sec":12316.67,"text":"Um, we've also got to be careful. I picked this one up by virtue of our economic development tax incentives. We actually hurt ourself, you know, for for most of the big industries that we've bring to town, we give them a 10-year tax waiver, and it's declining, but the year in which we are really benefited is the year they arrive in town when they make that, you know, $10 million investment or whatever. And that's the year in which we give them a 100% tax tax deferral. And that's a that's a real kind of mixed bag because part of the reason they came here was because of the tax waiver, but they're they're having a negative effect. So we may, as part of our economic development discussions, Mr. Anderson, we probably ought to kind of think through is there are there things we could do other than tax waivers that wouldn't have the same financial impact? I throw that out there for discussion. Um, go to the next slide.","topics_json":"[\"business\",\"taxes\",\"budget\"]","vector_id":"vec_seg_97710_541","created_at":"2026-10-31T05:42:19Z","speaker_name":"Dave Hugg"},{"id":"seg_97710_542","meeting_id":"97710","media_asset_id":"med_97710_a0b6d813968b0577","agenda_item_id":null,"speaker_id":"spk_97710_dave_hugg","speaker_confidence":0.9,"start_sec":12317.4,"end_sec":12385.13,"text":"Uh, the other kind of a just looking through some of these things, I'm going to hit on a few of them. Um, first of all, the way we do our budget has always sort of bothered me. We start with what do I want to spend and then we say, \"Well, where can I get the money?\" Uh, and it just seems to me that and and then we ask you folks for to approve it, and we sort of negotiate. Um, and I don't know how we would do it necessarily, but some jurisdictions start out looking at their revenues and, you know, what they think they're going to have to spend. The state kind of does that with the DEFAC process. And um they build in from the get-go some kind of cost adjustment for the things that they know are going to go up that they can't control, so they know that insurance is going up 40%. They put, you know, they make those assumptions. Um, but they do the kind of revenue forecasting first and then figure out what they want to spend it on as opposed to the way I've always done it in all the years I've been in government is, you know, you go to the department heads and say, \"How much do you want?\" And then you go, \"Oh, we can't afford quite that much. Let's take something out.\" Um, and it just It seems to me that our our budgeting process is somehow backwards. And I don't know how you fix that, but that's an that's an observation that does does concern me. Um, well, let's let's move on.","topics_json":"[\"budget\"]","vector_id":"vec_seg_97710_542","created_at":"2026-10-31T05:42:19Z","speaker_name":"Dave Hugg"},{"id":"seg_97710_543","meeting_id":"97710","media_asset_id":"med_97710_a0b6d813968b0577","agenda_item_id":null,"speaker_id":"spk_97710_dave_hugg","speaker_confidence":0.9,"start_sec":12385.25,"end_sec":12386.19,"text":"Opportunities. You heard a","topics_json":"[\"budget\"]","vector_id":"vec_seg_97710_543","created_at":"2026-10-31T05:42:19Z","speaker_name":"Dave Hugg"},{"id":"seg_97710_544","meeting_id":"97710","media_asset_id":"med_97710_a0b6d813968b0577","agenda_item_id":null,"speaker_id":"spk_97710_david_hugg","speaker_confidence":0.9,"start_sec":12386.19,"end_sec":12480.49,"text":"all of them this morning. I guess the the the point of this slide is really to say what to ask you as council, you know, what is it that we don't do that we want to do? What is it that we think are City of Dover responsibilities or roles that we don't now undertake? It's kind of my point earlier that people basically want the water to run, the lights to stay on, and the potholes to get fixed. But some of you, Mr. Anderson, I'll pick on you in particular, you made a very important point the other day, I don't know whether you realized it, but when we were talking about the cold weather and all those problems, you you had a a comment in there about the people who were homeless, who, you know, what do we do about them? And I'm thinking, well, you know, that's an important question because is that really a state, a city responsibility or not? Um, you know, if our job is water, sewer, roads, and lights, do we have an obligation? Do we have a responsibility? I mean, we can care, but do we have a responsibility for actually doing something? And if we do, if we decide that we really do want to get into some of these social issues, you know, more with traditional housing, counseling, mental health, like the police department's already moved into, do we How do we We can certainly do it. You'll just our discussion about the powers of the city, there's no real restrictions that say we couldn't have a housing department. There's no no restrictions in in the the state code or in the charter that says we couldn't have an active workforce development program. I mean, there's a lot of things that we could theoretically do, but are they things that we should do as a city? And if they are, how are we going to pay for them? So, I don't Council President had his hand up first.","topics_json":"[\"housing\",\"homelessness\",\"budget\",\"public_safety\"]","vector_id":"vec_seg_97710_544","created_at":"2026-10-31T05:42:19Z","speaker_name":"David Hugg"},{"id":"seg_97710_545","meeting_id":"97710","media_asset_id":"med_97710_a0b6d813968b0577","agenda_item_id":null,"speaker_id":"off_roy_sudler_jr","speaker_confidence":0.9,"start_sec":12480.49,"end_sec":12481.49,"text":"No, I'll yield to","topics_json":"[]","vector_id":"vec_seg_97710_545","created_at":"2026-10-31T05:42:19Z","speaker_name":"Roy Sudler, Jr."},{"id":"seg_97710_546","meeting_id":"97710","media_asset_id":"med_97710_a0b6d813968b0577","agenda_item_id":null,"speaker_id":"spk_97710_david_hugg","speaker_confidence":0.9,"start_sec":12481.49,"end_sec":12482.39,"text":"You'll defer? Okay.","topics_json":"[]","vector_id":"vec_seg_97710_546","created_at":"2026-10-31T05:42:19Z","speaker_name":"David Hugg"},{"id":"seg_97710_547","meeting_id":"97710","media_asset_id":"med_97710_a0b6d813968b0577","agenda_item_id":null,"speaker_id":"off_roy_sudler_jr","speaker_confidence":0.9,"start_sec":12482.39,"end_sec":12483.69,"text":"my colleague in the Third District.","topics_json":"[]","vector_id":"vec_seg_97710_547","created_at":"2026-10-31T05:42:19Z","speaker_name":"Roy Sudler, Jr."},{"id":"seg_97710_548","meeting_id":"97710","media_asset_id":"med_97710_a0b6d813968b0577","agenda_item_id":null,"speaker_id":"off_tricia_k_arndt","speaker_confidence":0.95,"start_sec":12482.79,"end_sec":12564.79,"text":"Thank you. So with response to to that, I think, something like that. Well, one, first of all, within your presentation you've mentioned several times what the responsibilities of the city are and what they are not. And I appreciate that. And I agree with you that the the the housing and the shelters and the um the services to the disadvantageous, disadvantaged, that is not a city function, per our charter. That is a a state and nonprofit um function. If we were to move in that direction, one, we can't afford it. Two, we don't, you know, we don't have the resources or the expertise. Um, but if we were to move in that in that direction, I would think that would be a good question to ask all of the residents, our constituents, um what are you willing to pay for that? Um, how much of a tax increase are you willing to take on for us to provide those services? Um, rather than constantly being hammered on the floor that we should be ashamed of ourselves for not providing these services, um when it is not our role to do so and we cannot afford to do so, um and and put that back out to the public. You know, how And I'm pretty sure the answer is going to be they're not going to be willing to accept a 10 or 15% tax increase in order to pay for this suite of services that we are accused of of not providing. So, that's just my thought on that.","topics_json":"[\"housing\",\"homelessness\",\"taxes\",\"budget\"]","vector_id":"vec_seg_97710_548","created_at":"2026-10-31T05:42:19Z","speaker_name":"Tricia K. Arndt"},{"id":"seg_97710_549","meeting_id":"97710","media_asset_id":"med_97710_a0b6d813968b0577","agenda_item_id":null,"speaker_id":"spk_97710_david_hugg","speaker_confidence":0.9,"start_sec":12564.79,"end_sec":12582.79,"text":"Yeah, there were some helpful comments in, or particularly hopeful, I guess, not helpful, comments that were in the uh governor's both State of the State and the budget program. Um, but I I was looking for, I wish he had said, \"We're going to solve the homeless problem.\" I wish he'd said we're going to, you know, he he talks about it,","topics_json":"[\"homelessness\",\"budget\"]","vector_id":"vec_seg_97710_549","created_at":"2026-10-31T05:42:19Z","speaker_name":"David Hugg"},{"id":"seg_97710_55","meeting_id":"97710","media_asset_id":"med_97710_a0b6d813968b0577","agenda_item_id":null,"speaker_id":"spk_97710_female_speaker","speaker_confidence":0.9,"start_sec":1499.14,"end_sec":1572.84,"text":"Um, through my experience, I used to work as a financial coach, um, and also through gaining knowledge through this position, there's a history and a pattern of people who consistently do the same things, and that cycle is not going to change. Um, sometimes with public programs that help, it helps, but it also hinders at the same time in the respect of accountability. So yes, there have been hardships, um, with consumers, but I have been able to, uh, work with people. One thing that I advocate and communicate to my team is, um, I understand that people always say, you know, to be compassionate, but for me, I like to take it a step further and I advocate for people to empathize. And to empathize is to communicate in a way and a manner that you're putting yourself in that person's shoes. So not only are you listening to them and hearing their hardships and the reasons why they can't pay their bills, but also being solutions-oriented to be able to give them the right resources and tools to be able to break the cycle and to be able to f- uh, find that foundation and that basis to be able to--","topics_json":"[\"budget\"]","vector_id":"vec_seg_97710_55","created_at":"2026-10-31T05:42:18Z","speaker_name":null},{"id":"seg_97710_550","meeting_id":"97710","media_asset_id":"med_97710_a0b6d813968b0577","agenda_item_id":null,"speaker_id":"spk_97710_dave_hugg","speaker_confidence":0.95,"start_sec":12582.8,"end_sec":12593.98,"text":"but it's not. Maybe it's in the details of the budget, and it might well be. The reason I brought up to Senator Paradee, you know, the word energy's not in there. We heard this morning how critical the energy issues are to the city of Dover, um and that's an area where we should have responsibility, but we're not, we're getting mixed measures mixed signals.","topics_json":"[\"budget\"]","vector_id":"vec_seg_97710_550","created_at":"2026-10-31T05:42:19Z","speaker_name":"Dave Hugg"},{"id":"seg_97710_551","meeting_id":"97710","media_asset_id":"med_97710_a0b6d813968b0577","agenda_item_id":null,"speaker_id":"spk_97710_dave_hugg","speaker_confidence":0.95,"start_sec":12593.98,"end_sec":12601.74,"text":"Um, but I agree with you that, and I I really wish somebody would just stand up and say, you know, it's not fair for the cities or the county, for that matter, um to try and solve the homeless problem, or at least certainly not on its own.","topics_json":"[\"homelessness\"]","vector_id":"vec_seg_97710_551","created_at":"2026-10-31T05:42:19Z","speaker_name":"Dave Hugg"},{"id":"seg_97710_552","meeting_id":"97710","media_asset_id":"med_97710_a0b6d813968b0577","agenda_item_id":null,"speaker_id":"off_tricia_k_arndt","speaker_confidence":0.95,"start_sec":12601.74,"end_sec":12616.77,"text":"So, I think like to that to that aspect, I think our role is to provide opportunities for affordable housing. I mean, our role is for the planning, the zoning. Those those are the things that are under the city's control in terms of um allowing for um housing options at multiple price points. And I think we do a pretty good job in terms of multifamily units, percentage-wise, within within the city.","topics_json":"[\"housing\",\"zoning\"]","vector_id":"vec_seg_97710_552","created_at":"2026-10-31T05:42:19Z","speaker_name":"Tricia K. Arndt"},{"id":"seg_97710_553","meeting_id":"97710","media_asset_id":"med_97710_a0b6d813968b0577","agenda_item_id":null,"speaker_id":"spk_97710_dave_hugg","speaker_confidence":0.95,"start_sec":12616.77,"end_sec":12663.9,"text":"Yeah, when you when you look at Dover, the the most of the I don't have the percentages in my mind, but the the majority, a very significant majority of the housing that's being built is either townhouses or apartments. Uh and when you look at dissect it a little bit more, a pretty fair amount of that is I'll call it subsidized housing, you know, it's housing that that is is off is eligible for, you know, vouchers and all kind all kinds of things. And some of it, a significant number of units that are actually, you know, State Housing Authority or or private housing authority um, you know, owned and operated and maintained. So, we probably do a better job than we give ourselves credit for.","topics_json":"[\"housing\"]","vector_id":"vec_seg_97710_553","created_at":"2026-10-31T05:42:19Z","speaker_name":"Dave Hugg"},{"id":"seg_97710_554","meeting_id":"97710","media_asset_id":"med_97710_a0b6d813968b0577","agenda_item_id":null,"speaker_id":"off_tricia_k_arndt","speaker_confidence":0.95,"start_sec":12663.9,"end_sec":12678,"text":"And I'm hoping that the the pilot that we're doing with DSHA that's doing the review of our our our our code or, you know, to determine how well we're doing with housing, I'm hoping that provides that um, you know, information that we are doing um as well as we can. There will there will be opportunities for improvement, sure, but um I'm looking forward to their report. Have they started?","topics_json":"[\"housing\"]","vector_id":"vec_seg_97710_554","created_at":"2026-10-31T05:42:19Z","speaker_name":"Tricia K. Arndt"},{"id":"seg_97710_555","meeting_id":"97710","media_asset_id":"med_97710_a0b6d813968b0577","agenda_item_id":null,"speaker_id":"spk_97710_dave_hugg","speaker_confidence":0.95,"start_sec":12678,"end_sec":12680.3,"text":"Um, no, we had we had a phone conference. We haven't started.","topics_json":"[\"housing\"]","vector_id":"vec_seg_97710_555","created_at":"2026-10-31T05:42:19Z","speaker_name":"Dave Hugg"},{"id":"seg_97710_556","meeting_id":"97710","media_asset_id":"med_97710_a0b6d813968b0577","agenda_item_id":null,"speaker_id":"off_tricia_k_arndt","speaker_confidence":0.95,"start_sec":12680.3,"end_sec":12680.79,"text":"Okay. Thank you.","topics_json":"[]","vector_id":"vec_seg_97710_556","created_at":"2026-10-31T05:42:19Z","speaker_name":"Tricia K. Arndt"},{"id":"seg_97710_557","meeting_id":"97710","media_asset_id":"med_97710_a0b6d813968b0577","agenda_item_id":null,"speaker_id":"spk_97710_dave_hugg","speaker_confidence":0.95,"start_sec":12680.79,"end_sec":12683.03,"text":"It should start anytime now because they've notified us.","topics_json":"[\"housing\"]","vector_id":"vec_seg_97710_557","created_at":"2026-10-31T05:42:19Z","speaker_name":"Dave Hugg"},{"id":"seg_97710_558","meeting_id":"97710","media_asset_id":"med_97710_a0b6d813968b0577","agenda_item_id":null,"speaker_id":"spk_97710_dave_hugg","speaker_confidence":0.95,"start_sec":12683.03,"end_sec":12728.3,"text":"Um, so anyhow that's just kind of a background question. If there are things that that we firmly believe the city ought to have some role in, then we need to expand on them, make sure we have the capacity to do them and a a funding source. Um, and again you heard this morning from a lot of a lot of my employees, a lot of my department heads, staff resources and other resources are just a limitation. That the reality is that, you know, we can we can run a department, but when they in most cases, we can't run it really effectively because we're just not adequately staffed to do it, and that's a big source.","topics_json":"[\"budget\"]","vector_id":"vec_seg_97710_558","created_at":"2026-10-31T05:42:19Z","speaker_name":"Dave Hugg"},{"id":"seg_97710_559","meeting_id":"97710","media_asset_id":"med_97710_a0b6d813968b0577","agenda_item_id":null,"speaker_id":"off_fred_a_neil","speaker_confidence":0.95,"start_sec":12728.3,"end_sec":12739.79,"text":"That is why I yielded to my colleague. She covered everything. Um, the only thing she did not cover, and I I'll make a wry comment, is the only people that you solicit to say will you pay for it, and they say yes, probably don't pay taxes. I yield.","topics_json":"[\"taxes\"]","vector_id":"vec_seg_97710_559","created_at":"2026-10-31T05:42:19Z","speaker_name":"Fred A. Neil"},{"id":"seg_97710_56","meeting_id":"97710","media_asset_id":"med_97710_a0b6d813968b0577","agenda_item_id":null,"speaker_id":"spk_97710_customer_service_manager","speaker_confidence":0.9,"start_sec":1572.85,"end_sec":1621.55,"text":"afford afford their bills and not have these, um, inconsistencies when the weather changes or, um, when the weather gets super cold or when it gets super hot. I encourage my team to communicate to people like, we take payments 24/7. There's no limit on how many times you can make a payment. You can put $10 on there. You can put $20 on there. Anything extra that you have is going to create a basis of stability so that they don't go into the cycle of, I'm facing disconnection because I haven't paid on my bill. Um, just listening to people, advocating for people, and then, again, aligning them with the correct resources. And I always try to make sure that I'm aware of any community resources are that are available, and I keep an open door for those agencies to communicate with me to be able to meet customer needs.","topics_json":"[\"budget\"]","vector_id":"vec_seg_97710_56","created_at":"2026-10-31T05:42:18Z","speaker_name":null},{"id":"seg_97710_560","meeting_id":"97710","media_asset_id":"med_97710_a0b6d813968b0577","agenda_item_id":null,"speaker_id":"spk_97710_dave_hugg","speaker_confidence":0.95,"start_sec":12739.79,"end_sec":12740.66,"text":"That could be too, yeah.","topics_json":"[]","vector_id":"vec_seg_97710_560","created_at":"2026-10-31T05:42:19Z","speaker_name":"Dave Hugg"},{"id":"seg_97710_561","meeting_id":"97710","media_asset_id":"med_97710_a0b6d813968b0577","agenda_item_id":null,"speaker_id":"spk_97710_dave_hugg","speaker_confidence":0.95,"start_sec":12740.66,"end_sec":12770.65,"text":"Um, so, moving ahead, let's go to go to budget realities, the second slide after that. Okay, one more. Okay.","topics_json":"[\"budget\"]","vector_id":"vec_seg_97710_561","created_at":"2026-10-31T05:42:19Z","speaker_name":"Dave Hugg"},{"id":"seg_97710_562","meeting_id":"97710","media_asset_id":"med_97710_a0b6d813968b0577","agenda_item_id":null,"speaker_id":"spk_97710_dave_hugg","speaker_confidence":0.95,"start_sec":12770.65,"end_sec":12779.41,"text":"Well, this comes right on the point that that was just made, capacity and resources. Um, and I guess this is the other side of the same question. If we decide there are new things that we want to do and if we decide we're not going to put that on our our residents as a","topics_json":"[\"budget\"]","vector_id":"vec_seg_97710_562","created_at":"2026-10-31T05:42:19Z","speaker_name":"Dave Hugg"},{"id":"seg_97710_563","meeting_id":"97710","media_asset_id":"med_97710_a0b6d813968b0577","agenda_item_id":null,"speaker_id":"spk_97710_dave_hugg","speaker_confidence":0.95,"start_sec":12779.4,"end_sec":12814.9,"text":"the tax word, then, you know, this is a rhetorical question obviously, what do we cut? What don't we do that we do now? Are there places that that we could reduce our expenditures because we think, you know, housing for for homeless people is more important than libraries or whatever that decision is. So, I just put those out there so that we have some idea that, yeah, if we're going to make some of these choices and we're not going to be bold and say here's how we're going to pay for them, then we really have an obligation to go back through and say, you know, trash every other week, whatever the decision is, to make sure that we still have a balanced budget at the end. Okay, moving ahead.","topics_json":"[\"budget\",\"taxes\",\"housing\",\"homelessness\"]","vector_id":"vec_seg_97710_563","created_at":"2026-10-31T05:42:19Z","speaker_name":"Dave Hugg"},{"id":"seg_97710_564","meeting_id":"97710","media_asset_id":"med_97710_a0b6d813968b0577","agenda_item_id":null,"speaker_id":"spk_97710_dave_hugg","speaker_confidence":0.95,"start_sec":12814.9,"end_sec":12846.6,"text":"Um, okay next, next slide. There we go. Um, what are our revenue sources? I mean, you all kind of understand these. I've got like two pages of them, but, you know, property tax, it's the most significant one. That's the one most local jurisdictions rely on. It's the one that has generally the highest resistance from from the electorate. Um, it can discourage economic development, so you're always running that question of you're always getting that question when the get the the, uh, you know, the the site selector: What are what are the property tax? What's the property tax rate? Whatever. And they compare that. Um, so that's one.","topics_json":"[\"budget\",\"taxes\",\"business\"]","vector_id":"vec_seg_97710_564","created_at":"2026-10-31T05:42:19Z","speaker_name":"Dave Hugg"},{"id":"seg_97710_565","meeting_id":"97710","media_asset_id":"med_97710_a0b6d813968b0577","agenda_item_id":null,"speaker_id":"spk_97710_dave_hugg","speaker_confidence":0.95,"start_sec":12846.6,"end_sec":12886.2,"text":"Um, I already mentioned low property values. Um, tax exemption, particularly the PILOT, you know, that we, 2 years ago Senator Sokola promised me, promised the Mayor and I, that he was going to um, yeah, designate a committee of the Senate and the House to work on on on a better formula for PILOT. Uh, the tray's money from the the Grants-in-Aid has kind of substituted for for that. But we only get 33 cents on the dollar of um, of deferred taxes, which doesn't, that's, it's crazy.","topics_json":"[\"budget\",\"taxes\"]","vector_id":"vec_seg_97710_565","created_at":"2026-10-31T05:42:19Z","speaker_name":"Dave Hugg"},{"id":"seg_97710_566","meeting_id":"97710","media_asset_id":"med_97710_a0b6d813968b0577","agenda_item_id":null,"speaker_id":"spk_97710_dave_hugg","speaker_confidence":0.95,"start_sec":12886.2,"end_sec":12916.9,"text":"Um, we talked about how much money that uh, $0.01 makes. Talked about the 25%. Transfer tax, the same issue: it's unpredictable.","topics_json":"[\"budget\",\"taxes\"]","vector_id":"vec_seg_97710_566","created_at":"2026-10-31T05:42:19Z","speaker_name":"Dave Hugg"},{"id":"seg_97710_567","meeting_id":"97710","media_asset_id":"med_97710_a0b6d813968b0577","agenda_item_id":null,"speaker_id":"spk_97710_dave_hugg","speaker_confidence":0.95,"start_sec":12916.9,"end_sec":12957.4,"text":"Fees, permits, licenses, approvals, um, we have some control over them. They're the ones that we can actually say that, okay, your business license is going to be increased every year by the CPI, or it's going to be increased by 5%, or whatever we're going to do. Um, again, there's potential for for discouraging economic development. Uh, and it is somewhat predictable, I mean, I can tell you what I think the revenue from business licenses is going to be and be pretty close, because, you know, up and down a little bit, but it doesn't change wildly, but it is an an unpredictable source of funds. Next page.","topics_json":"[\"budget\",\"taxes\",\"business\"]","vector_id":"vec_seg_97710_567","created_at":"2026-10-31T05:42:19Z","speaker_name":"Dave Hugg"},{"id":"seg_97710_568","meeting_id":"97710","media_asset_id":"med_97710_a0b6d813968b0577","agenda_item_id":null,"speaker_id":"spk_97710_dave_hugg","speaker_confidence":0.95,"start_sec":12957.4,"end_sec":12976,"text":"Miscellaneous revenue sources, you know, parks charges, fines, interest, those kinds of things, again, very unpredictable, very limited. Um, right now, the predictability of grants, it used to be that you could pretty well sit down with the federal Catalog of Domestic Assistance, about that thick, uh, and you could leaf through it and there were grant after grant after grant, and your choice your chances of getting it if you met the qualification for population or whatever, were generally pretty good. You know, those programs got funded, HUD programs, you know, uh, the the open space programs, those things. Um, we know now that that's, you know, you're you're really betting on on anytime you apply for a grant now, and as one of I think, made the point, or somebody made the point that you spend an awful lot of time putting a grant together, you know, doing all those things, sometimes it's not really worth the effort. And I know personally that a few years ago when I was in Smyrna, somebody convinced me that I ought to apply for an Economic Development Administration grant. Um, big money","topics_json":"[\"budget\",\"business\"]","vector_id":"vec_seg_97710_568","created_at":"2026-10-31T05:42:19Z","speaker_name":"Dave Hugg"},{"id":"seg_97710_569","meeting_id":"97710","media_asset_id":"med_97710_a0b6d813968b0577","agenda_item_id":null,"speaker_id":"spk_97710_david_hugg","speaker_confidence":0.9,"start_sec":12976.01,"end_sec":13004.61,"text":"Lots of stuff. Uh, we got all the way through the sort of preliminary approval process, and I realized I've spent more getting this grant than I'm going to get, you know? And I still didn't have a guarantee I was going to get it. And it was like, \"No, I'm not going to deal with EDA anymore. It's just not worth the effort.\" Um, transfers from enterprise funds, I mean that's that's where the bulk of of our uh non-general fund, non-fee-based money comes from. It's $10 million from the electric fund and $2 million from water and wastewater, a million each.","topics_json":"[\"budget\"]","vector_id":"vec_seg_97710_569","created_at":"2026-10-31T05:42:19Z","speaker_name":"David Hugg"},{"id":"seg_97710_57","meeting_id":"97710","media_asset_id":"med_97710_a0b6d813968b0577","agenda_item_id":null,"speaker_id":"off_david_l_anderson","speaker_confidence":0.95,"start_sec":1621.55,"end_sec":1628.95,"text":"Thank you. So, is there is it pretty much the the same as, uh, as normal, or has there been any particular increase?","topics_json":"[\"budget\"]","vector_id":"vec_seg_97710_57","created_at":"2026-10-31T05:42:18Z","speaker_name":"David L. Anderson"},{"id":"seg_97710_570","meeting_id":"97710","media_asset_id":"med_97710_a0b6d813968b0577","agenda_item_id":null,"speaker_id":"spk_97710_unknown_speaker","speaker_confidence":0.5,"start_sec":13004.61,"end_sec":13006.01,"text":"Isn't it a million each?","topics_json":"[\"budget\"]","vector_id":"vec_seg_97710_570","created_at":"2026-10-31T05:42:19Z","speaker_name":null},{"id":"seg_97710_571","meeting_id":"97710","media_asset_id":"med_97710_a0b6d813968b0577","agenda_item_id":null,"speaker_id":"spk_97710_david_hugg","speaker_confidence":0.9,"start_sec":13006.01,"end_sec":13035.81,"text":"A million each. Um, and maybe some other things. Um, but the the really critical concern there is that drives rates, and we've got to be careful how we, you know, we could take $20 million from the electric fund if we wanted to. Uh, we'd probably run into some problems with the with the the uh credit folks, and we'd probably run into some issues with our own reserve policy, but there, you know, there are some savings accounts, if you will, that we could that we could tap. I don't like that idea, but it is something we could do. Okay, moving ahead. Next slide. Yeah, okay.","topics_json":"[\"budget\"]","vector_id":"vec_seg_97710_571","created_at":"2026-10-31T05:42:19Z","speaker_name":"David Hugg"},{"id":"seg_97710_572","meeting_id":"97710","media_asset_id":"med_97710_a0b6d813968b0577","agenda_item_id":null,"speaker_id":"spk_97710_david_hugg","speaker_confidence":0.9,"start_sec":13076.91,"end_sec":13172.61,"text":"Huh, I talked about most of this, you know, new functions and responsibilities, newer redirected revenue sources, I mean that's part of the process of discussion. Um, equity and fairness, I hear that a lot from you all in this room and and from others. We've got to be sensitive to the fact that not everybody's is as able as we are to pay that extra $50 on the sewer charge or whatever it is. I mean, I grumble every quarter when the county sends me its its new sewer assessment, and it's gone from $60-some to $120-some in about a year and a half. Every quarter, it goes up, but I can pay it, you know? I I grumble, but I write the check for, and, you know, there's a lot of our a lot of the folks that live in in Dover don't have quite that luxury, so being, you know, being understanding of that and providing some equity, so I mean we all know our personal income tax is regressive. I think our property tax is regressive as well, um, and and, you know, that that makes it kind of inequitable. Um, getting better getting more public participation, we talked about. More strategic planning, I've been trying this year to to move more in that direction, so we're, you know, the idea of the five-year IT plan, for example, you know, I mean that was a key point that I made when I when I hired Joe in the first place, is, you know, we have got to have a plan that five years from now when, you know, Apple 35 is no longer, you know, Microsoft 35 is no longer, you know, the the the go-to, how do we get to 36? You know? And, you know, in the case of Microsoft 10, it's going to go away. It's not a question of, you know, when we do it, it's we're going to have to do it, because that's that has changed. Um, I think we should take a few minutes sometime and really look at the the reserve policies. I I don't know, I wasn't around when they were all put together. I don't know exactly what parameters, you know, were were built into them. Um, does the 8% rule really make any sense? Do we have to be at 8%? Um, and and, you know, and maybe we do, maybe that's good public policy, I don't know, but we kind of, okay, this is got to have this, you can't, you know, and this year we've made a lot of effort to get to 8%, um, but that's pain that could have been, you know, used for other purposes that we weren't able to fund, so I just think that's a step we ought to go through is to figure out what our reserve policy","topics_json":"[\"budget\",\"taxes\"]","vector_id":"vec_seg_97710_572","created_at":"2026-10-31T05:42:19Z","speaker_name":"David Hugg"},{"id":"seg_97710_573","meeting_id":"97710","media_asset_id":"med_97710_a0b6d813968b0577","agenda_item_id":null,"speaker_id":"spk_97710_dave_hugg","speaker_confidence":0.95,"start_sec":13172.62,"end_sec":13175.97,"text":"...policies are intended to preserve to, you know, to generate more. Okay. Moving on to... Okay.","topics_json":"[\"budget\"]","vector_id":"vec_seg_97710_573","created_at":"2026-10-31T05:42:19Z","speaker_name":"Dave Hugg"},{"id":"seg_97710_574","meeting_id":"97710","media_asset_id":"med_97710_a0b6d813968b0577","agenda_item_id":null,"speaker_id":"spk_97710_dave_hugg","speaker_confidence":0.95,"start_sec":13176.22,"end_sec":13240.87,"text":"That's essentially my presentation. Um, we've got some critical decisions I think to make. Uh, you know, first is kind of what is it we want to do that we don't do now? What is it we do now that we want to do more of? Um, how do we address some of these relatively significant problems that I know are coming, you know are coming, particularly things like public safety. Um, and as I explained I think in in that discussion, you know, my strategy over the last couple of years, give the chief one, give the library one, give planning one, give, you know, that's not a way to to actually build capacity. Um, you know, you can't just want one or two at a time, it doesn't get you anywhere. Uh, it kind of keeps you in that It's It's, you know, when you think factor in uh, you know, cost of living and other kinds of things, one or two positions doesn't make a real difference. Um, but, you know, the the converse of that is, you know, the chief who has asked for six positions this year. Four police, one at 1L um IT person. What was the other, do you remember what the other for the police positions that they asked for? Yeah, four chief, four police, oh, the um extra supervisor, the 911 supervisor.","topics_json":"[\"budget\",\"public_safety\"]","vector_id":"vec_seg_97710_574","created_at":"2026-10-31T05:42:19Z","speaker_name":"Dave Hugg"},{"id":"seg_97710_575","meeting_id":"97710","media_asset_id":"med_97710_a0b6d813968b0577","agenda_item_id":null,"speaker_id":"spk_97710_female_speaker","speaker_confidence":0.8,"start_sec":13240.99,"end_sec":13245.77,"text":"It's 911 supervisors to convert uh 911 operators, two supervisors, one for each shift.","topics_json":"[\"budget\",\"public_safety\"]","vector_id":"vec_seg_97710_575","created_at":"2026-10-31T05:42:19Z","speaker_name":null},{"id":"seg_97710_576","meeting_id":"97710","media_asset_id":"med_97710_a0b6d813968b0577","agenda_item_id":null,"speaker_id":"spk_97710_dave_hugg","speaker_confidence":0.95,"start_sec":13246.02,"end_sec":13326.94,"text":"Yeah, okay. Um, we really do, I mean, I know it's a, it's, you know, not the language anybody wants to hear, but we have got to raise our revenue sources, particularly the property tax. I mean, um, Jeff every year keeps telling me and he's right, we're going to run out of money. And we're going to run out of money not that far down the future if we stay on the same path we're on. Uh, expenses, as I just told you, expenses are running 10%, you know, in the last 2 years, General Fund revenue running 4%. And if you don't jockey something, you know, there's only one place that curve's going to go, and it's going to go down. So, um, that's sort of where we are from a workshop standpoint. I I, you know, I you all will be sitting in budget hearings in a couple of months. We'll be in budget hearings with our departments starting in February, um, which is what, next week? Yeah. Yeah, next week. Um, we're trying to get a handle on just what is our current financial situation, how much do we have at the end of the year for for last fiscal year. Um, but I can tell you standing here that our choices are either raise revenues or cut or cut services. It's not a It's not a gee whiz, it's that we are going to have to do one or the other. Um, and and I don't see any other way out of it, and I'm I'm you know, I would I would if you if you asked me right now, I would say we need at least $0.10, maybe $0.15. I know we'll never get there, right? But to really get us in a position where, you know, our our General Fund revenues and our expenses are much more balanced, it's a pretty significant number. It's It's, you know, $3 to $4 million. It's not a couple hundred thousand. So, uh, any of you folks that are on the budget, do you want to say anything? You guys want to say anything?","topics_json":"[\"budget\",\"taxes\"]","vector_id":"vec_seg_97710_576","created_at":"2026-10-31T05:42:19Z","speaker_name":"Dave Hugg"},{"id":"seg_97710_577","meeting_id":"97710","media_asset_id":"med_97710_a0b6d813968b0577","agenda_item_id":null,"speaker_id":"spk_97710_council_member","speaker_confidence":0.8,"start_sec":13330.04,"end_sec":13362.15,"text":"Well, I'll just reiterate that fact. We, we did raises a couple years ago, but we never put in motion how we were going to pay for those. And since then, we've done even more raises. We just did one in January, but...","topics_json":"[\"budget\"]","vector_id":"vec_seg_97710_577","created_at":"2026-10-31T05:42:19Z","speaker_name":null},{"id":"seg_97710_578","meeting_id":"97710","media_asset_id":"med_97710_a0b6d813968b0577","agenda_item_id":null,"speaker_id":"spk_97710_dave_hugg","speaker_confidence":0.95,"start_sec":13362.15,"end_sec":13362.52,"text":"Yeah.","topics_json":"[\"budget\"]","vector_id":"vec_seg_97710_578","created_at":"2026-10-31T05:42:19Z","speaker_name":"Dave Hugg"},{"id":"seg_97710_579","meeting_id":"97710","media_asset_id":"med_97710_a0b6d813968b0577","agenda_item_id":null,"speaker_id":"spk_97710_council_member","speaker_confidence":0.8,"start_sec":13362.59,"end_sec":13369.23,"text":"...uh, I mean, I just, like you said, our, our revenues are so far outpaced by our expenses, there's got to be, there's got to be an equilibrium there. We've got to either cut back...","topics_json":"[\"budget\"]","vector_id":"vec_seg_97710_579","created_at":"2026-10-31T05:42:19Z","speaker_name":null},{"id":"seg_97710_58","meeting_id":"97710","media_asset_id":"med_97710_a0b6d813968b0577","agenda_item_id":null,"speaker_id":"spk_97710_customer_service_manager","speaker_confidence":0.9,"start_sec":1628.95,"end_sec":1695.75,"text":"Well, I can't really say if there's any increase because I have not been here a complete year to know if there's been, um, an influx. I think it's just the the standard norm from what I get from my team. Um, one thing that they call out is, this person has had a history of XYZ. Um, that's the most consistent thing that I hear, but as far as numbers, if there's a particular influx because of the economy, I I can't really speak to that.","topics_json":"[\"budget\"]","vector_id":"vec_seg_97710_58","created_at":"2026-10-31T05:42:18Z","speaker_name":null},{"id":"seg_97710_580","meeting_id":"97710","media_asset_id":"med_97710_a0b6d813968b0577","agenda_item_id":null,"speaker_id":"spk_97710_male_speaker","speaker_confidence":0.7,"start_sec":13369.22,"end_sec":13374.02,"text":"...or find more revenue. It just can't keep on like we've done the last three or four years.","topics_json":"[\"budget\"]","vector_id":"vec_seg_97710_580","created_at":"2026-10-31T05:42:19Z","speaker_name":null},{"id":"seg_97710_581","meeting_id":"97710","media_asset_id":"med_97710_a0b6d813968b0577","agenda_item_id":null,"speaker_id":"spk_97710_staff","speaker_confidence":0.85,"start_sec":13374.22,"end_sec":13381.22,"text":"For recording purposes, could Jeff move up to like, this is on his seat, up into the... just so when we capture him...","topics_json":"[]","vector_id":"vec_seg_97710_581","created_at":"2026-10-31T05:42:19Z","speaker_name":null},{"id":"seg_97710_582","meeting_id":"97710","media_asset_id":"med_97710_a0b6d813968b0577","agenda_item_id":null,"speaker_id":"spk_97710_male_speaker","speaker_confidence":0.7,"start_sec":13381.22,"end_sec":13384.72,"text":"Okay. Where's the mic? I gave the rest of the mics.","topics_json":"[]","vector_id":"vec_seg_97710_582","created_at":"2026-10-31T05:42:19Z","speaker_name":null},{"id":"seg_97710_583","meeting_id":"97710","media_asset_id":"med_97710_a0b6d813968b0577","agenda_item_id":null,"speaker_id":"spk_97710_staff","speaker_confidence":0.85,"start_sec":13384.72,"end_sec":13394.72,"text":"Yeah, or like he could sit there if he wants. Like that way, you know... And Trish, you might as well take a seat too. That's probably a safe bet, cuz that way it's it's captured.","topics_json":"[]","vector_id":"vec_seg_97710_583","created_at":"2026-10-31T05:42:19Z","speaker_name":null},{"id":"seg_97710_584","meeting_id":"97710","media_asset_id":"med_97710_a0b6d813968b0577","agenda_item_id":null,"speaker_id":"off_tricia_k_arndt","speaker_confidence":0.95,"start_sec":13395.02,"end_sec":13396.22,"text":"Absolutely.","topics_json":"[]","vector_id":"vec_seg_97710_584","created_at":"2026-10-31T05:42:19Z","speaker_name":"Tricia K. Arndt"},{"id":"seg_97710_585","meeting_id":"97710","media_asset_id":"med_97710_a0b6d813968b0577","agenda_item_id":null,"speaker_id":"spk_97710_male_speaker","speaker_confidence":0.7,"start_sec":13396.32,"end_sec":13398.52,"text":"Yeah, besides I need your input, so this is fine.","topics_json":"[]","vector_id":"vec_seg_97710_585","created_at":"2026-10-31T05:42:19Z","speaker_name":null},{"id":"seg_97710_586","meeting_id":"97710","media_asset_id":"med_97710_a0b6d813968b0577","agenda_item_id":null,"speaker_id":"spk_97710_male_speaker","speaker_confidence":0.7,"start_sec":13398.72,"end_sec":13485.02,"text":"So, just to reiterate, we, we put into motion a couple years ago mass raises for the whole city basically. We've continued doing that over the last couple years. We never, a couple years ago, figured out how we were going to even pay for those raises then, and those have just increased, increased, increased every year. So again, our, our expenses are still far outpacing our revenues, and we've got to find something to have an actual balanced budget, not using money that has been built up over, over the years, that being used to take place of the, the difference. I mean, we've got to figure out a way that we can go forward and pay for what we're doing.","topics_json":"[\"budget\"]","vector_id":"vec_seg_97710_586","created_at":"2026-10-31T05:42:19Z","speaker_name":null},{"id":"seg_97710_587","meeting_id":"97710","media_asset_id":"med_97710_a0b6d813968b0577","agenda_item_id":null,"speaker_id":"spk_97710_male_speaker","speaker_confidence":0.7,"start_sec":13485.02,"end_sec":13525.02,"text":"And just another point, we've talked about it, the 1.6 million that the state gave us based on covering the schools and what's being used there, I mean that money really we need that for the services we provide now, not trying to figure out, you know, if we're going to give that for extra things for the police department or fire department, I don't know if that's what the plan was, but that money we need that just to balance our budget now. I mean that's a it's a great it's a great, you know, bit of money that we've we've, you know, been given for for things, I mean it could be used in place of the PILOT money that we don't get for the state buildings and everything else that we do that we're we're not, you know, making revenue on, so. That's just my my gist of it is we've we've got to get to the point where our expenses are matching our revenues, one way or the other.","topics_json":"[\"budget\",\"public_safety\",\"taxes\"]","vector_id":"vec_seg_97710_587","created_at":"2026-10-31T05:42:19Z","speaker_name":null},{"id":"seg_97710_588","meeting_id":"97710","media_asset_id":"med_97710_a0b6d813968b0577","agenda_item_id":null,"speaker_id":"off_tricia_k_arndt","speaker_confidence":0.95,"start_sec":13525.22,"end_sec":13565.82,"text":"So and from my perspective, if you look at where we ended fiscal year 24 in the ACFR that was released through audit, there was a significant swing for the general funds specifically. So our budget balance, as as Jeff has said - sorry, Jeff has said many times to all of us, we're dwindling that, those funds down. I think we're we're really in a tough situation where we hear all the wants and we hear the needs, but we have to make the tough choices of saying no. And if you're going to say yes, you're not going to have a choice but to raise taxes, and I or other fees, and I know that's something that the community at large can't truly support. So we we're all going to have to take a a deep-dive look. But not not only at what we're saying here. Through my time in finance, I've found quite a few reconciling issues. Like for for example, that impacted fiscal year 24, there was a health, a health recon where we had had to recoup, if you will, or write off nearly $100,000. Well, $100,000 in the grand scheme of things of a $250 million budget may not seem like a lot, but that's $100,000 that could be used for another...","topics_json":"[\"budget\",\"taxes\"]","vector_id":"vec_seg_97710_588","created_at":"2026-10-31T05:42:19Z","speaker_name":"Tricia K. Arndt"},{"id":"seg_97710_589","meeting_id":"97710","media_asset_id":"med_97710_a0b6d813968b0577","agenda_item_id":null,"speaker_id":"off_donyale_m_hall","speaker_confidence":0.95,"start_sec":13565.83,"end_sec":13589.64,"text":"another need or another source, and there are simple things that need to be updated and taken care of, that's just one example. There's other examples, and maybe the term DOGE is not popular out in the world, per se, but that's the kind of deep dive I think that we need to be able to see where truly the expenses are being paid out. Where's the fluff, and cut out the fluff, so that we truly have what we need to run and operate the city efficiently.","topics_json":"[\"budget\"]","vector_id":"vec_seg_97710_589","created_at":"2026-10-31T05:42:19Z","speaker_name":"Donyale M. Hall"},{"id":"seg_97710_59","meeting_id":"97710","media_asset_id":"med_97710_a0b6d813968b0577","agenda_item_id":null,"speaker_id":"off_david_l_anderson","speaker_confidence":0.95,"start_sec":1695.75,"end_sec":1697.95,"text":"Or namely the weather, but but anyway, thank you.","topics_json":"[]","vector_id":"vec_seg_97710_59","created_at":"2026-10-31T05:42:18Z","speaker_name":"David L. Anderson"},{"id":"seg_97710_590","meeting_id":"97710","media_asset_id":"med_97710_a0b6d813968b0577","agenda_item_id":null,"speaker_id":"off_fred_a_neil","speaker_confidence":0.95,"start_sec":13589.64,"end_sec":13762.44,"text":"If I may, you're preaching to the choir here. We don't have the rest of the choir. And you understand that past couple of years, just the penny or two that I had favored, we were not getting. And the pushback from the people, just as I've indicated, I've already said it. They don't want us to raise taxes. Don't raise taxes! They don't understand that what it's going to cost us in the future if we delay replacement of a part that has long passed its life expectancy, then the emergency costs more. We can't use the money from the enterprise funds to the point where it cost us more when we borrow, it's going to cost down the future even more money. And we've already made, as you've indicated, the commitments of of pay raises and other things. And I don't want to talk about storm water, storm water. I mean, that turned out to be an absolute disaster. But we're still paying that because we can't get it to where we can shift some of the service charges. It may have to be an artificial type of thing that we do to make it reasonable, because Chris and I basically went before the Speedway folks and they said, 'Hey, we may have to move out of town,' because it was just the way it was set up and the portions and what have you, it just didn't work. So, there has to be a different way to do that. We haven't even touched that. And then you're talking about the cross piping that was supposed to be done that we've had outrages from from the business people saying, 'Why? I'm not I'm not going to cause this. I'm not going to cause this.' I've had my plumber come and tell me, says, 'You can't even touch that.' So, these are things we haven't even touched yet, but you're not talking You're not talking to everybody who has to make that decision. You're talking to the people who I would guess, because I don't know, I didn't ask them, will they us understand fully what we have to deal with. And this is for the record. I mean, we're we're recording this for the record. And we have to make sure that they understand, hey, this this isn't fun and games. This isn't to play to the crowd. This is what we have to do to run this city responsibly. I yield.","topics_json":"[\"budget\",\"taxes\",\"business\"]","vector_id":"vec_seg_97710_590","created_at":"2026-10-31T05:42:19Z","speaker_name":"Fred A. Neil"},{"id":"seg_97710_591","meeting_id":"97710","media_asset_id":"med_97710_a0b6d813968b0577","agenda_item_id":null,"speaker_id":"off_tricia_k_arndt","speaker_confidence":0.95,"start_sec":13762.44,"end_sec":13762.44,"text":"Can we talk about the the reserve policy? Um I mean, since you brought that up as, you know, 8% is the goal. And as I recall, we had talked about that in the past and that was necessary to maintain our bond rating, so I wasn't aware that there was some wiggle room there.","topics_json":"[\"budget\"]","vector_id":"vec_seg_97710_591","created_at":"2026-10-31T05:42:19Z","speaker_name":"Tricia K. 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That financial policy is specified within our bonds, uh and I want to say our oldest bond is from 2013, um so that we would have to go through the steps of possibly amending those if we were to amend our financial policies. It we'll have to review that with bond counsel. It's worth reviewing. I mean, absolutely worth reviewing.","topics_json":"[\"budget\"]","vector_id":"vec_seg_97710_593","created_at":"2026-10-31T05:42:19Z","speaker_name":"Sharon Duca"},{"id":"seg_97710_594","meeting_id":"97710","media_asset_id":"med_97710_a0b6d813968b0577","agenda_item_id":null,"speaker_id":"off_tricia_k_arndt","speaker_confidence":0.95,"start_sec":13792.93,"end_sec":13802.93,"text":"So the the 8%, I mean that goes beyond changing our City of Dover policy, that involves renegotiating bond criteria.","topics_json":"[\"budget\"]","vector_id":"vec_seg_97710_594","created_at":"2026-10-31T05:42:19Z","speaker_name":"Tricia K. Arndt"},{"id":"seg_97710_595","meeting_id":"97710","media_asset_id":"med_97710_a0b6d813968b0577","agenda_item_id":null,"speaker_id":"spk_97710_sharon_duca","speaker_confidence":0.95,"start_sec":13802.93,"end_sec":13872.53,"text":"Potentially, which is something that we actually discussed uh during some of our budget conversations thus far is looking at our debt service schedules and seeing if there's any way that we could possibly refinance for lower interest rates or maybe using some type of finite financing, not necessarily bonds, but financing in general to fund some of the things that we need necessarily need to do on a long- longer term basis. But to the- to the point of the reserves policy, yes, we'd have to renegotiate the bond terms.","topics_json":"[\"budget\"]","vector_id":"vec_seg_97710_595","created_at":"2026-10-31T05:42:19Z","speaker_name":"Sharon Duca"},{"id":"seg_97710_596","meeting_id":"97710","media_asset_id":"med_97710_a0b6d813968b0577","agenda_item_id":null,"speaker_id":"off_tricia_k_arndt","speaker_confidence":0.9,"start_sec":13872.53,"end_sec":13874.63,"text":"Which isn't impossible, but...","topics_json":"[\"budget\"]","vector_id":"vec_seg_97710_596","created_at":"2026-10-31T05:42:19Z","speaker_name":"Tricia K. Arndt"},{"id":"seg_97710_597","meeting_id":"97710","media_asset_id":"med_97710_a0b6d813968b0577","agenda_item_id":null,"speaker_id":"off_robin_r_christiansen","speaker_confidence":0.95,"start_sec":13874.63,"end_sec":13901.23,"text":"I use the 8% as a as an example. I don't know about the other limitations that we have as well where certain amounts have got to be put aside. Uh and it may be that they we we convinced ourselves couple of years ago that it wasn't good to not be at 8%, so this year in the budget, '26 budget, we got to 8%. Um but I guess I ask myself, well, you know, are they are they will in fact the bond counsel care if we're at 7%?","topics_json":"[\"budget\"]","vector_id":"vec_seg_97710_597","created_at":"2026-10-31T05:42:19Z","speaker_name":"Robin R. 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Christiansen"},{"id":"seg_97710_6","meeting_id":"97710","media_asset_id":"med_97710_a0b6d813968b0577","agenda_item_id":null,"speaker_id":"spk_97710_dave_hugg","speaker_confidence":0.9,"start_sec":196.61,"end_sec":243.41,"text":"enacted for the fiscal year working on the next one. Uh but as you can see from the you know from the items on the uh on the schedule, we start about October with getting instructions out uh various kinds of information uh and then it progresses through and and uh to where sometime in May or June uh we deliver a final budget proposal after some hearings and uh uh you know re-examining sort of where we are once we've got some decent numbers about where we ended the prior year. Um This year we're going to try and get the budget to you uh in in uh hopefully in April or May uh a little bit earlier because we tend to run into that, you know, June 20-something or other date that that means we're we're debating and changing things sort of at the end of the day, the end of the process. So, um I wanted to share that with you for your understanding. Next slide. Should just keep on going, past the one that says data. That one. Okay. Um","topics_json":"[\"budget\"]","vector_id":"vec_seg_97710_6","created_at":"2026-10-31T05:42:18Z","speaker_name":"Dave Hugg"},{"id":"seg_97710_60","meeting_id":"97710","media_asset_id":"med_97710_a0b6d813968b0577","agenda_item_id":null,"speaker_id":"spk_97710_customer_service_manager","speaker_confidence":0.9,"start_sec":1697.95,"end_sec":1698.95,"text":"You're welcome.","topics_json":"[]","vector_id":"vec_seg_97710_60","created_at":"2026-10-31T05:42:18Z","speaker_name":null},{"id":"seg_97710_600","meeting_id":"97710","media_asset_id":"med_97710_a0b6d813968b0577","agenda_item_id":null,"speaker_id":"spk_97710_sharon_duca","speaker_confidence":0.95,"start_sec":13903.33,"end_sec":13959.04,"text":"According to Emily. Now, uh if memory serves me correctly, in the financial policies, uh we uh we can fall within of the 8 to 12% range, but after three only for three periods, if memory serves me correctly, and we have to correct course after three years.","topics_json":"[\"budget\"]","vector_id":"vec_seg_97710_600","created_at":"2026-10-31T05:42:19Z","speaker_name":"Sharon Duca"},{"id":"seg_97710_601","meeting_id":"97710","media_asset_id":"med_97710_a0b6d813968b0577","agenda_item_id":null,"speaker_id":"spk_97710_unknown_speaker","speaker_confidence":0.5,"start_sec":13959.04,"end_sec":13959.04,"text":"That's right.","topics_json":"[\"budget\"]","vector_id":"vec_seg_97710_601","created_at":"2026-10-31T05:42:19Z","speaker_name":null},{"id":"seg_97710_602","meeting_id":"97710","media_asset_id":"med_97710_a0b6d813968b0577","agenda_item_id":null,"speaker_id":"off_robin_r_christiansen","speaker_confidence":0.95,"start_sec":13959.04,"end_sec":13959.04,"text":"Who who set the uh those percentages initially? Was it I mean were they something that bond counsel said you got to do this or was it something we...","topics_json":"[\"budget\"]","vector_id":"vec_seg_97710_602","created_at":"2026-10-31T05:42:19Z","speaker_name":"Robin R. Christiansen"},{"id":"seg_97710_603","meeting_id":"97710","media_asset_id":"med_97710_a0b6d813968b0577","agenda_item_id":null,"speaker_id":"spk_97710_sharon_duca","speaker_confidence":0.95,"start_sec":13959.04,"end_sec":13959.04,"text":"I think it was a combination of, but I know that the last update to the financial policy was done in 2019 when Lori was here. Yeah. Uh prior to that, it was through Donna. Okay. And I don't remember the date of cert-","topics_json":"[\"budget\"]","vector_id":"vec_seg_97710_603","created_at":"2026-10-31T05:42:19Z","speaker_name":"Sharon Duca"},{"id":"seg_97710_604","meeting_id":"97710","media_asset_id":"med_97710_a0b6d813968b0577","agenda_item_id":null,"speaker_id":"off_robin_r_christiansen","speaker_confidence":0.9,"start_sec":13959.04,"end_sec":13959.04,"text":"Okay.","topics_json":"[\"budget\"]","vector_id":"vec_seg_97710_604","created_at":"2026-10-31T05:42:19Z","speaker_name":"Robin R. Christiansen"},{"id":"seg_97710_605","meeting_id":"97710","media_asset_id":"med_97710_a0b6d813968b0577","agenda_item_id":null,"speaker_id":"off_robin_r_christiansen","speaker_confidence":0.95,"start_sec":13959.04,"end_sec":13959.04,"text":"Well, I mean that's that's the example of the kinds of things we need to we need to look at. It may not be, you know, we may not be able to do something with it, but we ought to at least ask ourselves those questions. 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So if we","topics_json":"[\"budget\"]","vector_id":"vec_seg_97710_607","created_at":"2026-10-31T05:42:19Z","speaker_name":"Tricia K. Arndt"},{"id":"seg_97710_608","meeting_id":"97710","media_asset_id":"med_97710_a0b6d813968b0577","agenda_item_id":null,"speaker_id":"spk_97710_unknown_male_speaker","speaker_confidence":0.75,"start_sec":13979.84,"end_sec":13980.64,"text":"Right.","topics_json":"[\"budget\"]","vector_id":"vec_seg_97710_608","created_at":"2026-10-31T05:42:19Z","speaker_name":null},{"id":"seg_97710_609","meeting_id":"97710","media_asset_id":"med_97710_a0b6d813968b0577","agenda_item_id":null,"speaker_id":"off_tricia_k_arndt","speaker_confidence":0.85,"start_sec":13980.64,"end_sec":13984.84,"text":"if we choose to make any amendments, it would it would have to go through the legislative process.","topics_json":"[\"budget\"]","vector_id":"vec_seg_97710_609","created_at":"2026-10-31T05:42:19Z","speaker_name":"Tricia K. 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And now, in those policies, including 8%, I mean that's not a law anywhere. I mean that's other places don't have and other places do. We could have it at 6.25, we could have it at eight, but it but as she says, if we make a change, don't think that the change happens overnight because there's a whole process that that we that's based upon that including, as you said, bond covenants and the like. It does they can be changed or they can be updated and we could refinance it or whatever, you know, but but but that change isn't going to We can change the policy with a snap of the finger practically, legislative metaphor, I mean it's not that, but, you know, in a month we could change the policy, but","topics_json":"[\"budget\"]","vector_id":"vec_seg_97710_611","created_at":"2026-10-31T05:42:19Z","speaker_name":"David L. 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Um but there is, I mean, whether a number 8% is a magic number or not necessarily, but we have to have some number that equals at least in in my view at least one month of expenses. If it's not one month of the total budget, which is 8%, then at least 6.25 or something um because if you have a a shortfall in revenue, if you while you're waiting for money to come in, like uh we we have staggered income. Uh so we get our property taxes a certain time, we get uh another time we get um business license fees and rental fees, etc., and and the state gives money a certain time, the Feds uh give money on a certain schedule. But if you but the reason why you want to have a certain cushion is because you when you start your year, for instance, you're waiting for the mortgage companies to all come in with the property tax money, the state is shifting over money, and their checks aren't necessarily in. And so you want at least that month cushion to sort of keep our operations in continuity. Um like I said, it doesn't have to be 8%, it could be uh of the revenue, it could be 6 and a half, it could be but but whatever it is, you have it can't be much lower in my opinion and be as effective as we want if um because if you have something and you're rolling along and you it the state government's been very efficient, but suppose you you do have a state government that doesn't come up with a budget for a change, it could happen. Um that hasn't happened the last","topics_json":"[\"budget\",\"taxes\"]","vector_id":"vec_seg_97710_615","created_at":"2026-10-31T05:42:19Z","speaker_name":"David L. Anderson"},{"id":"seg_97710_616","meeting_id":"97710","media_asset_id":"med_97710_a0b6d813968b0577","agenda_item_id":null,"speaker_id":"off_david_l_anderson","speaker_confidence":0.95,"start_sec":14155.65,"end_sec":14212.25,"text":"what, 40 years. But but it, but it could happen and then, all of a sudden municipal street money's not there. Do you have to, you would have to be ready to put aside all those projects until that happened, or if the federal government didn't pay its electric bill, you know, you'd you'd, I mean, that, those, those are things that, and I'm not even talking about natural disasters or anything, but just, um, but but I, um, but I, I agree, I mean, there there's, uh, there are things we can look at and ask questions about, such as that that money's our money, do we use it? I mean, do, if we did have a year, um, do we really need to pay ourselves back? I mean, that's the, that's a question that I would ask, there, that's a different question, and that's a question I would like examined. I mean, did we, you know, we changed that, I mean, are those type of changes are are something that I would be more likely to want to look at.","topics_json":"[\"budget\"]","vector_id":"vec_seg_97710_616","created_at":"2026-10-31T05:42:19Z","speaker_name":"David L. 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Sharon, do you know what the status of of that study?","topics_json":"[\"budget\"]","vector_id":"vec_seg_97710_618","created_at":"2026-10-31T05:42:19Z","speaker_name":"Lori Peddicord"},{"id":"seg_97710_619","meeting_id":"97710","media_asset_id":"med_97710_a0b6d813968b0577","agenda_item_id":null,"speaker_id":"spk_97710_sharon_duca","speaker_confidence":0.95,"start_sec":14235.15,"end_sec":14246.05,"text":"We're waiting for the model. So uh Mark Nowak in Public Works is working through a model to refresh the the standards basically, so we can...","topics_json":"[\"budget\"]","vector_id":"vec_seg_97710_619","created_at":"2026-10-31T05:42:19Z","speaker_name":"Sharon Duca"},{"id":"seg_97710_62","meeting_id":"97710","media_asset_id":"med_97710_a0b6d813968b0577","agenda_item_id":null,"speaker_id":"spk_97710_customer_service_manager","speaker_confidence":0.9,"start_sec":1699.95,"end_sec":1700.65,"text":"Good morning.","topics_json":"[]","vector_id":"vec_seg_97710_62","created_at":"2026-10-31T05:42:18Z","speaker_name":null},{"id":"seg_97710_620","meeting_id":"97710","media_asset_id":"med_97710_a0b6d813968b0577","agenda_item_id":null,"speaker_id":"off_tricia_k_arndt","speaker_confidence":0.95,"start_sec":14246.05,"end_sec":14247.45,"text":"They have a consultant working on that, right?","topics_json":"[\"budget\"]","vector_id":"vec_seg_97710_620","created_at":"2026-10-31T05:42:19Z","speaker_name":"Tricia K. Arndt"},{"id":"seg_97710_621","meeting_id":"97710","media_asset_id":"med_97710_a0b6d813968b0577","agenda_item_id":null,"speaker_id":"spk_97710_sharon_duca","speaker_confidence":0.95,"start_sec":14247.45,"end_sec":14248.75,"text":"They do.","topics_json":"[\"budget\"]","vector_id":"vec_seg_97710_621","created_at":"2026-10-31T05:42:19Z","speaker_name":"Sharon Duca"},{"id":"seg_97710_622","meeting_id":"97710","media_asset_id":"med_97710_a0b6d813968b0577","agenda_item_id":null,"speaker_id":"off_tricia_k_arndt","speaker_confidence":0.95,"start_sec":14248.75,"end_sec":14249.85,"text":"So there should be a timeline?","topics_json":"[\"budget\"]","vector_id":"vec_seg_97710_622","created_at":"2026-10-31T05:42:19Z","speaker_name":"Tricia K. Arndt"},{"id":"seg_97710_623","meeting_id":"97710","media_asset_id":"med_97710_a0b6d813968b0577","agenda_item_id":null,"speaker_id":"spk_97710_sharon_duca","speaker_confidence":0.95,"start_sec":14249.85,"end_sec":14256.45,"text":"I can't answer to what that timeline is to be honest. Um, do you have any other details on it? Off the top of my head...","topics_json":"[\"budget\"]","vector_id":"vec_seg_97710_623","created_at":"2026-10-31T05:42:19Z","speaker_name":"Sharon Duca"},{"id":"seg_97710_624","meeting_id":"97710","media_asset_id":"med_97710_a0b6d813968b0577","agenda_item_id":null,"speaker_id":"off_fred_a_neil","speaker_confidence":0.95,"start_sec":14256.45,"end_sec":14258.25,"text":"You're part of this gang. Take Take a seat.","topics_json":"[]","vector_id":"vec_seg_97710_624","created_at":"2026-10-31T05:42:19Z","speaker_name":"Fred A. Neil"},{"id":"seg_97710_625","meeting_id":"97710","media_asset_id":"med_97710_a0b6d813968b0577","agenda_item_id":null,"speaker_id":"spk_97710_sharon_duca","speaker_confidence":1,"start_sec":14258.25,"end_sec":14302.15,"text":"Um, at our last monthly meeting between myself, Sharon Duca, Assistant City Manager for the record, and Mark Nowak, Public Works Director, um he was supposed to be receiving the updated model uh for the stormwater utility um within a couple weeks for a first review. Um basically we were taking it back to the original consultant to review what we put together based upon the questions that were raised through meetings with Council and constituents. Um for example, how do you handle it if you have multiple properties but they're not contiguous, uh things of that nature, but also looking at the details of the model with the impervious surface and how the calculations were done, cuz we want to make sure everything's accurate.","topics_json":"[\"budget\"]","vector_id":"vec_seg_97710_625","created_at":"2026-10-31T05:42:19Z","speaker_name":"Sharon Duca"},{"id":"seg_97710_626","meeting_id":"97710","media_asset_id":"med_97710_a0b6d813968b0577","agenda_item_id":null,"speaker_id":"off_fred_a_neil","speaker_confidence":0.95,"start_sec":14302.15,"end_sec":14352.25,"text":"Yeah, and that and that would benefit the general fund because it would take those expenditures out of the general fund and put them in an enterprise-type uh situation, so and it would be a source, you know, depending on how it's done, it would be a source of revenue that equals or exceeds the the cost. Well, hey, I thank you all for putting up with us all half a day anyhow, or three quarters. Um I you know, I'm I'm hopeful that as we work our way through, some of these issues will start to get defined in in better terms. Um I do want to throw out, I've thrown out a couple of things for your consideration before, but um there are some things we have not typically done in addition to borrowing. Um you know, some some governments use special assessments. Uh it's kind of aimed at, okay, you benefit from this particular thing, we're going to assess you differently than than Miss Arndt who doesn't benefit from it.","topics_json":"[\"budget\",\"taxes\"]","vector_id":"vec_seg_97710_626","created_at":"2026-10-31T05:42:19Z","speaker_name":"Fred A. 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So there's a number of things like that that we are kicking around just to see if they make any sense. I don't know if, at this point I don't I can't say yes or no, but and if there's any ideas that you all have for you know, I mean, whatever it is. You know, laugh laughingly a bake sale. I mean, it whatever it might be to to see if we can figure out ways to, you know, create some new some new revenues that are equitable, they're fair, they're easy to to administer, you know, what have you. Okay. Uh I'm done if there's any other questions or comments. You're all, we will stay here as long as you want us to. I thank you of all of you that were here, the four of you.","topics_json":"[\"taxes\",\"budget\"]","vector_id":"vec_seg_97710_627","created_at":"2026-10-31T05:42:19Z","speaker_name":"David L. 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Um so, just being able to be at the ready to explain, put it in social media, um op-eds, what have you, um just to kind of build that information base so that folks are better educated when it comes time to make these tough decisions on the budget.","topics_json":"[\"budget\"]","vector_id":"vec_seg_97710_628","created_at":"2026-10-31T05:42:19Z","speaker_name":"Tricia K. Arndt"},{"id":"seg_97710_629","meeting_id":"97710","media_asset_id":"med_97710_a0b6d813968b0577","agenda_item_id":null,"speaker_id":"off_david_l_anderson","speaker_confidence":0.9,"start_sec":14468.05,"end_sec":14479.15,"text":"How do you how do you, and I wouldn't do it beforehand, but how do you uh how do you feel about doing some kind of community survey? Is that something we should be thinking about to get some, since we have such low input from--","topics_json":"[\"budget\"]","vector_id":"vec_seg_97710_629","created_at":"2026-10-31T05:42:19Z","speaker_name":"David L. 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Rocha, Sr."},{"id":"seg_97710_630","meeting_id":"97710","media_asset_id":"med_97710_a0b6d813968b0577","agenda_item_id":null,"speaker_id":"off_fred_a_neil","speaker_confidence":0.95,"start_sec":14479.15,"end_sec":14548.85,"text":"Th- the problem I have with that, it's going to be negative. Uh I don't know whether we're going to get something positive out of it. Uh we have Mr. Doom and Gloom who comes in and anything you say, this is the reason why we did it, we did it to cut down on taxes, we've added fees, what have you. It just does not sink in. So I think you have these people who are very negative, that are going not going to add anything positive about the program. I think the more we can educate people who really comprehend what we're trying to do is going to be worthwhile. 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Here it is, it's available to you there. And there's two stories today, when I go back, that I'm anxious to look at in the newspaper that I didn't get a chance to do this morning. One was on the police report, how was that reported, that presentation, and DDP. I think that's things that we have to constantly get out to the public, and who knows if they're reading the paper, we don't know that. And I suspect a lot aren't anymore. So that's it's a constant battle to get our message across to people and say here's where you can find the information, here's what we're going to do. The best thing that's happened was in terms of when you opened up the program for the city, you saw all about the information that we needed for the snow removal","topics_json":"[\"public_safety\"]","vector_id":"vec_seg_97710_631","created_at":"2026-10-31T05:42:19Z","speaker_name":"Fred A. 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They just know that the trash doesn't get picked up or, you know, whatever it is. And I agree. Maybe that's a new assignment for Kay now that she's a department head.","topics_json":"[]","vector_id":"vec_seg_97710_634","created_at":"2026-10-31T05:42:19Z","speaker_name":"Gerald L. Rocha, Sr."},{"id":"seg_97710_635","meeting_id":"97710","media_asset_id":"med_97710_a0b6d813968b0577","agenda_item_id":null,"speaker_id":"off_tricia_k_arndt","speaker_confidence":0.9,"start_sec":14728.07,"end_sec":14739.66,"text":"I think we need more, like you said, more positivity in general. I mean, the news cycle is always reactive. Everything about Dover is typically negative. I think we need to do a better job of, like you said, promoting what we're doing well and driving the news cycle rather than reacting to it.","topics_json":"[]","vector_id":"vec_seg_97710_635","created_at":"2026-10-31T05:42:19Z","speaker_name":"Tricia K. 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Yes ma'am.","topics_json":"[]","vector_id":"vec_seg_97710_637","created_at":"2026-10-31T05:42:19Z","speaker_name":"Dave Hugg"},{"id":"seg_97710_638","meeting_id":"97710","media_asset_id":"med_97710_a0b6d813968b0577","agenda_item_id":null,"speaker_id":"off_tricia_k_arndt","speaker_confidence":0.9,"start_sec":14761.47,"end_sec":14769.07,"text":"Do we have anyone who notifies the media when we do get awards and so forth, when we get recognized?","topics_json":"[]","vector_id":"vec_seg_97710_638","created_at":"2026-10-31T05:42:19Z","speaker_name":"Tricia K. Arndt"},{"id":"seg_97710_639","meeting_id":"97710","media_asset_id":"med_97710_a0b6d813968b0577","agenda_item_id":null,"speaker_id":"spk_97710_dave_hugg","speaker_confidence":0.95,"start_sec":14769.27,"end_sec":14798.77,"text":"Um, yeah, some. I mean that we don't really specifically we don't budget for what I would call marketing and promotion. But there's money kind of, you know, in a couple of departments that allow us for, you know, the mayor, for example, has an economic development line. Um, and it's really loosely defined to pretty much, you know, anything we want to to use that has a relationship to economic development. So, but it might be worth looking at that and say look, let's commit ourselves to an actual budget um and then make sure we do it.","topics_json":"[\"budget\"]","vector_id":"vec_seg_97710_639","created_at":"2026-10-31T05:42:19Z","speaker_name":"Dave Hugg"},{"id":"seg_97710_64","meeting_id":"97710","media_asset_id":"med_97710_a0b6d813968b0577","agenda_item_id":null,"speaker_id":"spk_97710_customer_service_manager","speaker_confidence":0.9,"start_sec":1722.55,"end_sec":1727.05,"text":"Thank you. I immensely appreciate that. Thank you so much.","topics_json":"[]","vector_id":"vec_seg_97710_64","created_at":"2026-10-31T05:42:18Z","speaker_name":null},{"id":"seg_97710_640","meeting_id":"97710","media_asset_id":"med_97710_a0b6d813968b0577","agenda_item_id":null,"speaker_id":"off_tricia_k_arndt","speaker_confidence":0.9,"start_sec":14799.07,"end_sec":14819.27,"text":"Well we should at least ask each department chair if their department gets an award, or is recognized for doing something really well, that they do a media release, because if we're not communicating it, there's no way for the for the public to know.","topics_json":"[]","vector_id":"vec_seg_97710_640","created_at":"2026-10-31T05:42:19Z","speaker_name":"Tricia K. Arndt"},{"id":"seg_97710_641","meeting_id":"97710","media_asset_id":"med_97710_a0b6d813968b0577","agenda_item_id":null,"speaker_id":"spk_97710_dave_hugg","speaker_confidence":0.95,"start_sec":14819.27,"end_sec":14823.07,"text":"To know. I think the water, the Division of Water and Wastewater does a really good job.","topics_json":"[]","vector_id":"vec_seg_97710_641","created_at":"2026-10-31T05:42:19Z","speaker_name":"Dave Hugg"},{"id":"seg_97710_642","meeting_id":"97710","media_asset_id":"med_97710_a0b6d813968b0577","agenda_item_id":null,"speaker_id":"off_fred_a_neil","speaker_confidence":0.95,"start_sec":14823.27,"end_sec":14829.87,"text":"Wouldn't that go through Kay? Kay Sass, I mean. Yeah, that goes, anything should Kay, go through Kay. She's she's...","topics_json":"[]","vector_id":"vec_seg_97710_642","created_at":"2026-10-31T05:42:19Z","speaker_name":"Fred A. Neil"},{"id":"seg_97710_643","meeting_id":"97710","media_asset_id":"med_97710_a0b6d813968b0577","agenda_item_id":null,"speaker_id":"spk_97710_dave_hugg","speaker_confidence":0.95,"start_sec":14830.07,"end_sec":14832.67,"text":"Kay and the website, yeah. We've, I mean, we...","topics_json":"[]","vector_id":"vec_seg_97710_643","created_at":"2026-10-31T05:42:19Z","speaker_name":"Dave Hugg"},{"id":"seg_97710_644","meeting_id":"97710","media_asset_id":"med_97710_a0b6d813968b0577","agenda_item_id":null,"speaker_id":"spk_97710_sharon_duca","speaker_confidence":0.85,"start_sec":14832.67,"end_sec":14839.67,"text":"...have the budget hearings earlier this year... put that together.","topics_json":"[\"budget\"]","vector_id":"vec_seg_97710_644","created_at":"2026-10-31T05:42:19Z","speaker_name":"Sharon Duca"},{"id":"seg_97710_645","meeting_id":"97710","media_asset_id":"med_97710_a0b6d813968b0577","agenda_item_id":null,"speaker_id":"spk_97710_dave_hugg","speaker_confidence":0.95,"start_sec":14839.67,"end_sec":14870.47,"text":"Okay. Okay. I was just reminded to remind you that budget bud- budget meetings with departments will start next week, and budget hearings will be scheduled earlier than they were last year so that we have a little more time to normally make Well, less time to kind of prepare to present, but more time to consider what that what we're what we're asking for. So just kind of build that into your schedules that will probably be What? Probably April? Sometime in April, as opposed to May.","topics_json":"[\"budget\"]","vector_id":"vec_seg_97710_645","created_at":"2026-10-31T05:42:19Z","speaker_name":"Dave Hugg"},{"id":"seg_97710_646","meeting_id":"97710","media_asset_id":"med_97710_a0b6d813968b0577","agenda_item_id":null,"speaker_id":"off_tricia_k_arndt","speaker_confidence":0.9,"start_sec":14870.87,"end_sec":14881.67,"text":"I was thinking, you mentioned the first week in May, right? Because that's what, that's why I said. 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So it's two separate, and then if there's a public hearing with it, too.","topics_json":"[\"budget\"]","vector_id":"vec_seg_97710_649","created_at":"2026-10-31T05:42:19Z","speaker_name":"Tricia K. Arndt"},{"id":"seg_97710_65","meeting_id":"97710","media_asset_id":"med_97710_a0b6d813968b0577","agenda_item_id":null,"speaker_id":"off_roy_sudler_jr","speaker_confidence":0.95,"start_sec":1727.05,"end_sec":1732.05,"text":"Uh, thank you. Um, good good morning, and sorry I'm a little late, had a meeting last night, but","topics_json":"[]","vector_id":"vec_seg_97710_65","created_at":"2026-10-31T05:42:18Z","speaker_name":"Roy Sudler, Jr."},{"id":"seg_97710_650","meeting_id":"97710","media_asset_id":"med_97710_a0b6d813968b0577","agenda_item_id":null,"speaker_id":"spk_97710_dave_hugg","speaker_confidence":0.95,"start_sec":14904.07,"end_sec":14916.87,"text":"Yeah, the problem there is the electric The hearing is in mid-June, you know, and that's by then we should have had the budget pretty well wrapped up, not just presenting it for the first for the first consideration. So.","topics_json":"[\"budget\"]","vector_id":"vec_seg_97710_650","created_at":"2026-10-31T05:42:19Z","speaker_name":"Dave Hugg"},{"id":"seg_97710_651","meeting_id":"97710","media_asset_id":"med_97710_a0b6d813968b0577","agenda_item_id":null,"speaker_id":"spk_97710_dave_hugg","speaker_confidence":0.95,"start_sec":14917.07,"end_sec":14919.97,"text":"Okay, take some food home, we've got plenty in there, thanks.","topics_json":"[]","vector_id":"vec_seg_97710_651","created_at":"2026-10-31T05:42:19Z","speaker_name":"Dave Hugg"},{"id":"seg_97710_652","meeting_id":"97710","media_asset_id":"med_97710_a0b6d813968b0577","agenda_item_id":null,"speaker_id":"off_fred_a_neil","speaker_confidence":0.95,"start_sec":14920.07,"end_sec":14921.17,"text":"Thank you, Dave. And...","topics_json":"[]","vector_id":"vec_seg_97710_652","created_at":"2026-10-31T05:42:19Z","speaker_name":"Fred A. 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Neil"},{"id":"seg_97710_655","meeting_id":"97710","media_asset_id":"med_97710_a0b6d813968b0577","agenda_item_id":null,"speaker_id":"spk_97710_dave_hugg","speaker_confidence":0.95,"start_sec":14926.87,"end_sec":14927.67,"text":"You're welcome.","topics_json":"[]","vector_id":"vec_seg_97710_655","created_at":"2026-10-31T05:42:19Z","speaker_name":"Dave Hugg"},{"id":"seg_97710_656","meeting_id":"97710","media_asset_id":"med_97710_a0b6d813968b0577","agenda_item_id":null,"speaker_id":"spk_97710_sharon_duca","speaker_confidence":0.85,"start_sec":14927.67,"end_sec":14929.17,"text":"We appreciate you. Thank you.","topics_json":"[]","vector_id":"vec_seg_97710_656","created_at":"2026-10-31T05:42:19Z","speaker_name":"Sharon Duca"},{"id":"seg_97710_657","meeting_id":"97710","media_asset_id":"med_97710_a0b6d813968b0577","agenda_item_id":null,"speaker_id":"spk_97710_dave_hugg","speaker_confidence":0.95,"start_sec":14929.47,"end_sec":14930.77,"text":"Great. Thank you all, folks.","topics_json":"[]","vector_id":"vec_seg_97710_657","created_at":"2026-10-31T05:42:19Z","speaker_name":"Dave Hugg"},{"id":"seg_97710_658","meeting_id":"97710","media_asset_id":"med_97710_a0b6d813968b0577","agenda_item_id":null,"speaker_id":"off_tricia_k_arndt","speaker_confidence":0.9,"start_sec":14930.97,"end_sec":14932.47,"text":"Is the meeting adjourned?","topics_json":"[]","vector_id":"vec_seg_97710_658","created_at":"2026-10-31T05:42:19Z","speaker_name":"Tricia K. Arndt"},{"id":"seg_97710_659","meeting_id":"97710","media_asset_id":"med_97710_a0b6d813968b0577","agenda_item_id":null,"speaker_id":"off_fred_a_neil","speaker_confidence":0.95,"start_sec":14932.47,"end_sec":14933.97,"text":"Meeting adjourned. Yes.","topics_json":"[]","vector_id":"vec_seg_97710_659","created_at":"2026-10-31T05:42:19Z","speaker_name":"Fred A. Neil"},{"id":"seg_97710_66","meeting_id":"97710","media_asset_id":"med_97710_a0b6d813968b0577","agenda_item_id":null,"speaker_id":"spk_97710_customer_service_manager","speaker_confidence":0.9,"start_sec":1732.05,"end_sec":1732.85,"text":"Good morning.","topics_json":"[]","vector_id":"vec_seg_97710_66","created_at":"2026-10-31T05:42:18Z","speaker_name":null},{"id":"seg_97710_67","meeting_id":"97710","media_asset_id":"med_97710_a0b6d813968b0577","agenda_item_id":null,"speaker_id":"spk_97710_roy_sudler_jr","speaker_confidence":0.95,"start_sec":1732.85,"end_sec":1732.85,"text":"Um, I heard you sort of mention, um, a lot of the, you know, some of the positive things that's that's going on and, and some of the need for, um, modification and adjustment and strength. Um, could you elaborate a little bit more on the interpersonal conflict, um, not per se who and and and what who, or, you know, but more so to the point of what do you think that could be, um, an improvement plan to help strengthen the interpersonal conflict that sounds like is perceived? What in in your, um, level of expertise do you think needs to take place? Or how can City Council support you, or the City Manager support you in the initiative of, um, resolving some of those interpersonal conflicts so that, uh, you can reach your the department can reach their full potential when meeting the your organizational goals?","topics_json":"[]","vector_id":"vec_seg_97710_67","created_at":"2026-10-31T05:42:18Z","speaker_name":null},{"id":"seg_97710_68","meeting_id":"97710","media_asset_id":"med_97710_a0b6d813968b0577","agenda_item_id":null,"speaker_id":"spk_97710_customer_service_manager","speaker_confidence":0.9,"start_sec":1721.75,"end_sec":1769.45,"text":"Uh, so, it's interesting that you say interpersonal conflict. Um, and as you said, I wouldn't mention any individuals or anything like that and because this certainly is not the decorum or platform for that. But I certainly be open to have a discussion in a different arena. But I think the solution is being centric and focused on our purpose and our job, which is to help the city to be a better place and to serve our citizens","topics_json":"[]","vector_id":"vec_seg_97710_68","created_at":"2026-10-31T05:42:18Z","speaker_name":null},{"id":"seg_97710_69","meeting_id":"97710","media_asset_id":"med_97710_a0b6d813968b0577","agenda_item_id":null,"speaker_id":"spk_97710_female_speaker","speaker_confidence":0.8,"start_sec":1769.46,"end_sec":1822.06,"text":"it's the best way that we can. Um that has always been my mindset and my focus, because I not only work here, but I live here. So I take pride in being able to help the the community that I live in be more collaborative and succeed and be one of those cities that people call out, say, \"Hey, I want to live there because of XYZ.\" So I think in order to have that uh support is again, it goes back to uh consistent training and expectations across the board, um and documenting institutional knowledge where everyone has access. Where even if someone um that I collaborate with outside of my department, for instance, uh electric admin, I collaborate with Paul often, if he needed guidance or something, I could be able to share institutional knowledge with him so that he can appropriate it for his department.","topics_json":"[]","vector_id":"vec_seg_97710_69","created_at":"2026-10-31T05:42:18Z","speaker_name":null},{"id":"seg_97710_7","meeting_id":"97710","media_asset_id":"med_97710_a0b6d813968b0577","agenda_item_id":null,"speaker_id":"spk_97710_dave_hugg","speaker_confidence":0.9,"start_sec":247.01,"end_sec":329.41,"text":"to a large degree, our budget process is is data driven. It's driven by uh you know what we've spent in previous years, what we anticipate in in in current years, what the revenues have been. But we also need to be cognizant of kind of the background in which we're we're working. Dover's been described to me as a a big small city. Uh we're not all that large in terms of, well, actually we're large in terms of land area for Delaware, um but 40,000 or so people is not a is not a big city per se. Um unfortunately, or maybe it's fortunately, we have most of the same issues and problems and opportunities that a larger city has and also the the benefit of still having a lot of small-town character. So, some of the things we look at just to get an idea of of what's happening. Population growth,","topics_json":"[\"budget\"]","vector_id":"vec_seg_97710_7","created_at":"2026-10-31T05:42:18Z","speaker_name":"Dave Hugg"},{"id":"seg_97710_70","meeting_id":"97710","media_asset_id":"med_97710_a0b6d813968b0577","agenda_item_id":null,"speaker_id":"off_roy_sudler_jr","speaker_confidence":0.95,"start_sec":1822.06,"end_sec":1886.16,"text":"In regards to the institutional knowledge, um do we currently have like a Are you speaking to the point of maybe a database where information that you have on this topic he may be able to tap into and then elaborate on a uh one-on-one conversation or a face-to-face conversation, or just in general like just being able to communicate with that individual um and they're receptive to to giving feedback? I'm","topics_json":"[]","vector_id":"vec_seg_97710_70","created_at":"2026-10-31T05:42:18Z","speaker_name":"Roy Sudler, Jr."},{"id":"seg_97710_71","meeting_id":"97710","media_asset_id":"med_97710_a0b6d813968b0577","agenda_item_id":null,"speaker_id":"spk_97710_female_speaker","speaker_confidence":0.8,"start_sec":1886.16,"end_sec":1916.66,"text":"Um something that is formalized. So for instance, in my previous positions and experience, I used something that was called SharePoint, and it was organized um based off of naming conventions, uh categorized by certain um areas. It It It's something that would be strategic based off of a department, but at least it would be a consistent format. Like if you're looking for XYZ, then this is what you would go to. But just something across the board where it kind of looks consistent for everyone.","topics_json":"[]","vector_id":"vec_seg_97710_71","created_at":"2026-10-31T05:42:18Z","speaker_name":null},{"id":"seg_97710_72","meeting_id":"97710","media_asset_id":"med_97710_a0b6d813968b0577","agenda_item_id":null,"speaker_id":"off_roy_sudler_jr","speaker_confidence":0.95,"start_sec":1916.66,"end_sec":1918.76,"text":"Thank you very much for answering my question. I yield. Thank you very much.","topics_json":"[]","vector_id":"vec_seg_97710_72","created_at":"2026-10-31T05:42:18Z","speaker_name":"Roy Sudler, Jr."},{"id":"seg_97710_73","meeting_id":"97710","media_asset_id":"med_97710_a0b6d813968b0577","agenda_item_id":null,"speaker_id":"spk_97710_female_speaker","speaker_confidence":0.8,"start_sec":1918.76,"end_sec":1920.16,"text":"Thank you all.","topics_json":"[]","vector_id":"vec_seg_97710_73","created_at":"2026-10-31T05:42:18Z","speaker_name":null},{"id":"seg_97710_74","meeting_id":"97710","media_asset_id":"med_97710_a0b6d813968b0577","agenda_item_id":null,"speaker_id":"off_fred_a_neil","speaker_confidence":0.85,"start_sec":1920.16,"end_sec":1921.46,"text":"Next slide.","topics_json":"[]","vector_id":"vec_seg_97710_74","created_at":"2026-10-31T05:42:18Z","speaker_name":"Fred A. Neil"},{"id":"seg_97710_75","meeting_id":"97710","media_asset_id":"med_97710_a0b6d813968b0577","agenda_item_id":null,"speaker_id":"spk_97710_paul_waddell","speaker_confidence":0.9,"start_sec":1921.46,"end_sec":1966.06,"text":"Good afternoon, or actually good morning. Um is this yours? Is that yours? Okay. Uh thank you for the opportunity to come before you and speak. Um I I apologize for all the language in these uh slides. I I uh had intended to uh send it to Dave and we'd bounce it back a little bit and clean it up, but I just kind of spilled my guts on the paper. So, that's that's kind of where we were. Um, yes, no, they were not edited, so there's some comments I apologize to Jeff for comment a reference to him in there. Um so our goal um in our function is provide reliable, efficient, adequate energy to residents, businesses in Dover's franchised service area. Uh and our mission, which I think we do very well, is to support the current and future growth of all residential, commercial, industrial, and defense customers we serve by safely providing reliable and affordable electricity, being economic and environmental stewards, and continuously looking for areas of improvement. Um, the last little section of that, areas of improvement, um is where the money lies. And uh that's uh unfortunately what uh what causes us a lot of consternation uh is is in the budget process of trying to implement some things. Uh in the 5,000-ft view, uh primarily um if I look at uh If you look at the third and the sixth bullet, uh those are the ones that I'll kind of address","topics_json":"[\"budget\"]","vector_id":"vec_seg_97710_75","created_at":"2026-10-31T05:42:18Z","speaker_name":"Paul Waddell"},{"id":"seg_97710_76","meeting_id":"97710","media_asset_id":"med_97710_a0b6d813968b0577","agenda_item_id":null,"speaker_id":"spk_97710_presenter","speaker_confidence":0.85,"start_sec":1966.06,"end_sec":2141.82,"text":"us. Uh preparing for the future is vital for our utility. Uh over the last six years, uh load growth across the nation has been relatively flat. Um and the projection uh a decade out was going to be pretty much no load growth. Everything was just going to be calm and be the way that it was. Uh with the onset of data centers, uh AI, uh large load customers, which was a a phrase that wasn't thrown around too often in the industry uh 5 years ago aside from maybe an industrial load. Um now that's calm. Uh every uh municipality, IUE, whoever uh is going to face the challenge of a large load customer potentially coming into their footprint. Uh with that becomes a challenge to us because we just don't see it as another meter that's running that's generating revenue, we also see it as an expense because now we have to uh allot in our budget for the capacity for that person. So our budget increases even though we gain more revenue, so it's not like it just kind of flattens out. Um we also have um a space limitation on our system as it's currently designed uh that's going to limit me from taking some of these customers in uh just because in the event of an emergency, I have my water hose at my connection with Delmarva Power is only so big. I can only take in so much power to distribute through our grid, and uh, you know, Dave and I had had a conversation with one developer that was looking for 200 MW load. Our peak load at any our highest peak load over the last six years is 163, so they're looking to come in and, you know, more than double what we, you know, what we have been serving. Uh that's a huge lift for us, especially as a small municipality. Um, of course, I told them that I couldn't help him. Um, and, you know, we'll we'll see where it goes from there. Uh, the the last or the sixth bullet point is the market. So, to kind of add on to what I said before, it's not just the meter spinning, it's also an expense that I have to account for on my my budget for capacity. Um, reading in there, you can see we were at $29 to $35 a megawatt-hour in the very near past, uh, and now we're at, I believe the last number was what, $333 per megawatt-hour. Um, that's that's a huge increase, and this is something that's completely uncontrollable by us. Uh, we are just in a purely reactionary position on this. Uh, we work with The Energy Authority to try to offset some of those impacts by long-term hedges uh, where we go out and we purchase power on 5-10 year contracts at a reasonable rate, you know, being and the last few hedges that we've gotten have been in the $60 per megawatt-hour range. Um, so that's that's a pretty good savings. So if we can hedge at our 70 to 80% target,","topics_json":"[\"budget\",\"business\"]","vector_id":"vec_seg_97710_76","created_at":"2026-10-31T05:42:18Z","speaker_name":null},{"id":"seg_97710_77","meeting_id":"97710","media_asset_id":"med_97710_a0b6d813968b0577","agenda_item_id":null,"speaker_id":"spk_97710_unknown_speaker","speaker_confidence":0.5,"start_sec":2141.82,"end_sec":2142.66,"text":"That's 5 minutes.","topics_json":"[]","vector_id":"vec_seg_97710_77","created_at":"2026-10-31T05:42:18Z","speaker_name":null},{"id":"seg_97710_78","meeting_id":"97710","media_asset_id":"med_97710_a0b6d813968b0577","agenda_item_id":null,"speaker_id":"spk_97710_presenter","speaker_confidence":0.85,"start_sec":2142.66,"end_sec":2162.66,"text":"Wow! Okay. So if we could stay at that, then uh we'll we'll be we'll be better off. Um assessment-wise, how are we doing? Uh we've received many certificates, awards uh from APPA uh stating that we are doing what we need to do uh to be a reliable energy provider.","topics_json":"[\"business\"]","vector_id":"vec_seg_97710_78","created_at":"2026-10-31T05:42:18Z","speaker_name":null},{"id":"seg_97710_79","meeting_id":"97710","media_asset_id":"med_97710_a0b6d813968b0577","agenda_item_id":null,"speaker_id":"spk_97710_paul_waddell","speaker_confidence":0.95,"start_sec":2162.67,"end_sec":2180.3,"text":"uh we're meeting our goals in safety. Um and where do we go from here? Um that's a great question. Uh how do we confront this challenge? Uh do we build another thermal unit? Do we uh you know, like a VanSant CT turbine? Uh that has its own set of challenges. Do we look at solar or some sort of renewable? That has its own set of challenges because we're kind of hamstrung by space in the city. Um so I went quick through five minutes. I guess that's it. Give me some questions.","topics_json":"[]","vector_id":"vec_seg_97710_79","created_at":"2026-10-31T05:42:18Z","speaker_name":"Paul Waddell"},{"id":"seg_97710_8","meeting_id":"97710","media_asset_id":"med_97710_a0b6d813968b0577","agenda_item_id":null,"speaker_id":"spk_97710_dave_hugg","speaker_confidence":0.9,"start_sec":329.41,"end_sec":351.11,"text":"we're a little over 40,000 people right now, anticipated by the Delaware Population Consortium to reach What is that number? 41.7 something or other um by 2030. Uh we're growing There's a mistake on that chart. We're not growing by 1.7 uh percent a year, we're growing a little less than 1% a year. I don't I'm I must with my fumble fingers type an extra something in there. Um","topics_json":"[\"budget\"]","vector_id":"vec_seg_97710_8","created_at":"2026-10-31T05:42:18Z","speaker_name":"Dave Hugg"},{"id":"seg_97710_80","meeting_id":"97710","media_asset_id":"med_97710_a0b6d813968b0577","agenda_item_id":null,"speaker_id":"off_fred_a_neil","speaker_confidence":0.95,"start_sec":2180.3,"end_sec":2181.1,"text":"Yeah, Paul.","topics_json":"[]","vector_id":"vec_seg_97710_80","created_at":"2026-10-31T05:42:18Z","speaker_name":"Fred A. Neil"},{"id":"seg_97710_81","meeting_id":"97710","media_asset_id":"med_97710_a0b6d813968b0577","agenda_item_id":null,"speaker_id":"spk_97710_paul_waddell","speaker_confidence":0.95,"start_sec":2181.1,"end_sec":2181.43,"text":"Yes, sir.","topics_json":"[]","vector_id":"vec_seg_97710_81","created_at":"2026-10-31T05:42:18Z","speaker_name":"Paul Waddell"},{"id":"seg_97710_82","meeting_id":"97710","media_asset_id":"med_97710_a0b6d813968b0577","agenda_item_id":null,"speaker_id":"off_fred_a_neil","speaker_confidence":0.95,"start_sec":2181.43,"end_sec":2255.94,"text":"Um I was managed to take the whole 79 pages and reduce it into three for the entire presentation. What I have under you is one of those three pages is yours. And I think it's because of the demands that the public simply doesn't understand. You've already touched upon it. We don't control the market. We have a great crew, and I think what has happened through this this cold freeze period as an example, when it's bad, they're still out there. They're doing everything they can. Could not be more uh happy or or uh uh praise you enough in terms of what they've done. And that the future that and and and people say, \"Well, you can't charge that much. You can't charge that much.\" But we have to, because we we can't control what the market is demanding of us to get the power, and then you have the cost of getting the power to the people. They just don't understand. So, I I and the other thing is and and concerns me is the fact that if we cut the margin too close, the cost of er getting or obtaining the uh capital projects is going to cost us more. In the long run, the the the taxpayer is going to pay more than that.","topics_json":"[\"budget\",\"taxes\"]","vector_id":"vec_seg_97710_82","created_at":"2026-10-31T05:42:18Z","speaker_name":"Fred A. Neil"},{"id":"seg_97710_83","meeting_id":"97710","media_asset_id":"med_97710_a0b6d813968b0577","agenda_item_id":null,"speaker_id":"off_fred_a_neil","speaker_confidence":0.95,"start_sec":2256.14,"end_sec":2308.97,"text":"So this is the difficult part of trying to balance what we've just heard from you. And that's why I have so much of this that I basically captured in my Cliff Notes and in in my cheat sheet just to see what's happening. So it's a compliment for you, and I think uh one question that came to me is we made a a uh considerable investment in the Smart Energy Program. How many people have taken advantage of that to cut their electric rates? Do we have any figures to show how many people have accessed that program which is designed to save them money so that they're not spending as much on basically energy, on the electric?","topics_json":"[\"budget\"]","vector_id":"vec_seg_97710_83","created_at":"2026-10-31T05:42:18Z","speaker_name":"Fred A. Neil"},{"id":"seg_97710_84","meeting_id":"97710","media_asset_id":"med_97710_a0b6d813968b0577","agenda_item_id":null,"speaker_id":"spk_97710_paul_waddell","speaker_confidence":0.95,"start_sec":2308.97,"end_sec":2359.28,"text":"Uh Councilwoman Arndt and I actually had a a small conversation about that in the um caucus room before before this started. Um I told her that I'm going to share the latest monthly update uh with Council. Uh I don't have those numbers right off the top of my head, uh but I know it was 5 to 6% of their goal uh has been met. Um so that's uh that's according to them, that is a wonderful thing uh because it's really kind of catching on. Uh if you recall, as I told Councilwoman Arndt, if you recall when I briefed it and Tom Coyle came in here, the first year it's going to be pretty slim pickings, uh but they're pretty excited about the uh the way that it's been accepted in. Uh and she has uh Carolyn, who's our area rep, has meetings set up with DelTech, uh Delaware State, and Wilmington um coming up. So she's going to get ahold of them and and uh and try to get them on board with some energy savings. And then as far as resid-","topics_json":"[]","vector_id":"vec_seg_97710_84","created_at":"2026-10-31T05:42:18Z","speaker_name":"Paul Waddell"},{"id":"seg_97710_85","meeting_id":"97710","media_asset_id":"med_97710_a0b6d813968b0577","agenda_item_id":null,"speaker_id":"spk_97710_paul_waddell","speaker_confidence":1,"start_sec":2359.27,"end_sec":2380.07,"text":"...there's been several people who have taken advantage of the recycling program, uh, and we've also, uh, worked with a local electrical- electrician, and, uh, with Efficiency Smart, they've installed smart thermostats in 10 Habitat for Humanity homes, uh, to try to help them with the- with their energy, uh...","topics_json":"[\"housing\"]","vector_id":"vec_seg_97710_85","created_at":"2026-10-31T05:42:18Z","speaker_name":"Paul Waddell"},{"id":"seg_97710_86","meeting_id":"97710","media_asset_id":"med_97710_a0b6d813968b0577","agenda_item_id":null,"speaker_id":"off_fred_a_neil","speaker_confidence":1,"start_sec":2380.07,"end_sec":2407.97,"text":"Well, I don't think there's any question we have to get the word out even more so that there's help out there. So when people are complaining, they have a chance to basically lower their electric usage, which cuts the what the what their cost is. And again, it's what's happened has happened across the the entire nation in terms of the cost. I thank you, Paul, and I thank- I thank your crews. Every single time they go out, I make sure they- And I hope that no more squirrels get get killed in the process.","topics_json":"[]","vector_id":"vec_seg_97710_86","created_at":"2026-10-31T05:42:18Z","speaker_name":"Fred A. Neil"},{"id":"seg_97710_87","meeting_id":"97710","media_asset_id":"med_97710_a0b6d813968b0577","agenda_item_id":null,"speaker_id":"spk_97710_paul_waddell","speaker_confidence":1,"start_sec":2407.97,"end_sec":2413.47,"text":"Oh, did you know by the way, sidebar, uh January 20th is National Squirrel Day?","topics_json":"[]","vector_id":"vec_seg_97710_87","created_at":"2026-10-31T05:42:18Z","speaker_name":"Paul Waddell"},{"id":"seg_97710_88","meeting_id":"97710","media_asset_id":"med_97710_a0b6d813968b0577","agenda_item_id":null,"speaker_id":"off_fred_a_neil","speaker_confidence":1,"start_sec":2413.47,"end_sec":2414.27,"text":"[laughter]","topics_json":"[]","vector_id":"vec_seg_97710_88","created_at":"2026-10-31T05:42:18Z","speaker_name":"Fred A. Neil"},{"id":"seg_97710_89","meeting_id":"97710","media_asset_id":"med_97710_a0b6d813968b0577","agenda_item_id":null,"speaker_id":"spk_97710_paul_waddell","speaker_confidence":1,"start_sec":2414.27,"end_sec":2415.67,"text":"I saw that and I thought of you.","topics_json":"[]","vector_id":"vec_seg_97710_89","created_at":"2026-10-31T05:42:18Z","speaker_name":"Paul Waddell"},{"id":"seg_97710_9","meeting_id":"97710","media_asset_id":"med_97710_a0b6d813968b0577","agenda_item_id":null,"speaker_id":"spk_97710_dave_hugg","speaker_confidence":0.9,"start_sec":351.11,"end_sec":393.22,"text":"the key point to to this this slide is if you look the kind of it's slow growth. We're not growing very fast. Um the good side of that is we can keep we have a much better chance of keeping up with the demands. The the downside of that is that it slows down the rate of growth in in uh uh potentially revenue-serving functions. Next slide. Want to give you a sense of the general fund versus the total state budget, or total city budget, I mean. Um as you can see, from '22 to '26, our budget has increased from about 1- 165 million to 249 million. That's about a 10% increase in in that 5-year period. So, the cost of doing business is is definitely going up. If you If you look over to the general fund, which makes up a, you know, some uh portion of our of our total revenue Stay where Stay on that same chart, please. Um the general fund sort of in average is 23 25% of of the total uh budget for the city. Um but you notice it's slowly drifting down, and we're I'm estimating that it as a percent of total budget, it'll be around 25% in in 2027. Um the amount of money has has has, you know, grown, but again, very slowly, not at a great at a great rate, and that's that's a a function of the sources of revenue for the general fund.","topics_json":"[\"budget\"]","vector_id":"vec_seg_97710_9","created_at":"2026-10-31T05:42:18Z","speaker_name":"Dave Hugg"},{"id":"seg_97710_90","meeting_id":"97710","media_asset_id":"med_97710_a0b6d813968b0577","agenda_item_id":null,"speaker_id":"off_fred_a_neil","speaker_confidence":1,"start_sec":2415.67,"end_sec":2418.47,"text":"Save the squirrels. [laughter] I yield.","topics_json":"[]","vector_id":"vec_seg_97710_90","created_at":"2026-10-31T05:42:18Z","speaker_name":"Fred A. Neil"},{"id":"seg_97710_91","meeting_id":"97710","media_asset_id":"med_97710_a0b6d813968b0577","agenda_item_id":null,"speaker_id":"off_gerald_l_rocha_sr","speaker_confidence":0.95,"start_sec":2418.47,"end_sec":2419.77,"text":"Uh good morning, uh Paul.","topics_json":"[]","vector_id":"vec_seg_97710_91","created_at":"2026-10-31T05:42:18Z","speaker_name":"Gerald L. Rocha, Sr."},{"id":"seg_97710_92","meeting_id":"97710","media_asset_id":"med_97710_a0b6d813968b0577","agenda_item_id":null,"speaker_id":"spk_97710_paul_waddell","speaker_confidence":1,"start_sec":2419.77,"end_sec":2420.27,"text":"Morning.","topics_json":"[]","vector_id":"vec_seg_97710_92","created_at":"2026-10-31T05:42:18Z","speaker_name":"Paul Waddell"},{"id":"seg_97710_93","meeting_id":"97710","media_asset_id":"med_97710_a0b6d813968b0577","agenda_item_id":null,"speaker_id":"off_gerald_l_rocha_sr","speaker_confidence":0.95,"start_sec":2420.27,"end_sec":2427.87,"text":"Mr. Waddell. The, uh, meters, is that still on the front of of mind for for fiscal year '27?","topics_json":"[\"budget\"]","vector_id":"vec_seg_97710_93","created_at":"2026-10-31T05:42:18Z","speaker_name":"Gerald L. Rocha, Sr."},{"id":"seg_97710_94","meeting_id":"97710","media_asset_id":"med_97710_a0b6d813968b0577","agenda_item_id":null,"speaker_id":"spk_97710_paul_waddell","speaker_confidence":1,"start_sec":2427.87,"end_sec":2555.87,"text":"Yes, it is. It is, uh, it was put in here. Um, AMI is a will be a huge stepping stone, uh, for us to get more into the energy efficient, um, demand response type of programming. Um, with our current meters, all we do is we just receive. Uh, with demand response, we can send and receive. I mean with the AMI meters, we could send and receive, and we can allow the customers to have different programs like pay-as-you-go. \"Hey, I got $150. Um, this is what I can afford for my for my power bill.\" Um, and then they can put that on an account, and it could be programmed into the meter. Um, then they can, you know, when they start getting to a critical point, they'll get an alert. \"Hey, you're doing this.\" So that could create, like, uh, Andre said, that could create a change in philosophy and a change in habit and a change in behavior. Um, AMI will also allow us to, uh, it will reduce some of our costs by not having a, uh, employee in a vehicle go out and manually do a disconnect for a property. They could push a button, they could be off. They could push a button, and they could be back on. Um, so the customer service aspect of it is huge. Uh, it could also tie into an outage management system, which will give our system operators, um, who are there all day long, 24/7, uh, it could give them, you know, a couple of seconds of head start, cuz right now we rely on, if it's just a small outage, we rely on the phone call from the public. Uh, and then they have to kind of piece together, \"Hey, where did this start? Where do I need to send my crews? Where do I need to dispatch them to?\" With an OMS system based off AMI, we could look and say, \"This meter was the first meter that tripped. This is the first one that went red. What's that nearest transformer? What's that nearest switch? What's that nearest fuse?\" And then that will make them more efficient. Um, and with, uh, as as Dave mentioned earlier with some of the legislation that's going through the state, uh, one of those is a time-of-use study, a rate study, which is basically it's, uh, from 7:00 a.m. to 10:00 a.m., you have one rate, from 10:00 a.m. to 1:00, you have...","topics_json":"[\"budget\"]","vector_id":"vec_seg_97710_94","created_at":"2026-10-31T05:42:18Z","speaker_name":"Paul Waddell"},{"id":"seg_97710_95","meeting_id":"97710","media_asset_id":"med_97710_a0b6d813968b0577","agenda_item_id":null,"speaker_id":"spk_97710_paul_waddell","speaker_confidence":0.85,"start_sec":2555.88,"end_sec":2595.68,"text":"another rate. During the peak time, uh you have the highest rate because that's the rate that costs the city the most to be able to provide. And then as it goes through the nighttime, you get the lower rates. Um we can't do that without AMI. Um you just you just can't do it. There's no way. Um so that's that needs to that's still my priority alongside of uh transformer replacements. Uh and those, you know, unfortunately, those are big ticket items. Um when I first started here 10 years ago, AMI system was $4 million. Now, I'm budgeting seven. So, it's almost doubled in you know, doubled in 10 years. Um and as Mike alluded to, you know, the longer we kick things down the road, it's just going to be more expensive, you know. Um so, yeah.","topics_json":"[\"budget\"]","vector_id":"vec_seg_97710_95","created_at":"2026-10-31T05:42:18Z","speaker_name":"Paul Waddell"},{"id":"seg_97710_96","meeting_id":"97710","media_asset_id":"med_97710_a0b6d813968b0577","agenda_item_id":null,"speaker_id":"off_brian_e_lewis","speaker_confidence":0.9,"start_sec":2595.68,"end_sec":2597.78,"text":"Thank you for that, good answer. I appreciate that, thank you.","topics_json":"[]","vector_id":"vec_seg_97710_96","created_at":"2026-10-31T05:42:18Z","speaker_name":"Brian E. 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Um what are some things or concerns that we as council should be addressing in in your opinion?","topics_json":"[\"business\",\"zoning\"]","vector_id":"vec_seg_97710_98","created_at":"2026-10-31T05:42:18Z","speaker_name":"Tricia K. Arndt"},{"id":"seg_97710_99","meeting_id":"97710","media_asset_id":"med_97710_a0b6d813968b0577","agenda_item_id":null,"speaker_id":"spk_97710_paul_waddell","speaker_confidence":0.85,"start_sec":2663.78,"end_sec":2752.48,"text":"I I am in the early stages of drafting some sort of ordinance not only based off of New Castle's, but um also off of national. I've reached out to the same people that do our rate study to ask them for some help. Um if I get that drafted up and before you, pass it, you know? And then uh that that would at least give us um some some uh ammunition to potentially push back on them. Um another piece of legislation that was brought up um was potentially putting the municipalities under the Public Service Commission for the large load aspect. Um of course, now that we're back in DEMEC, they're lobbying on our behalf to try to put a stop to that. Uh we don't want to be under Public Service Commission. Uh their whole goal is for regulated utilities, which is not what we are. Um so, it would be better for us to maintain control of how we manage what gets connected to our grid. Um I already have to get approval from Delmarva before a large load customer connects to my system, and Delmarva has to get approval from the PSC. So, it's almost redundant. Um you know, just another step and another cost. Um and FYI, Delmarva for the for you to get in their cluster, their study for a large load customer, a new large load customer, even if it connects to me, they still have to go through Delmarva because it's a strain on their system, um it's a million dollars. So, they've established a very, very steep cost, and you've got to put some skin in the game in order to get into their queue. Uh and I think that was a lesson learned from the whole PJM interconnection from a few years back where uh renewable developers just flooded the queue with all these potentials just to try to get approval and use it as a marketing tool. Um so, hey. Um aside from that, if there's any type of ordinance or anything that comes forward um uh on when it comes to the budget, when the budget is presented, um there might be some scary numbers. Uh but as Council President Neil said, you know, it's it's some of that money needs to be it just needs to be spent. 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But But uh","topics_json":"[\"housing\",\"zoning\"]","vector_id":"vec_seg_98456_1","created_at":"2026-10-31T06:41:35Z","speaker_name":"Roy Sudler, Jr."},{"id":"seg_98456_10","meeting_id":"98456","media_asset_id":"med_98456_4f0e0b9f6a40e4b3","agenda_item_id":null,"speaker_id":"spk_98456_john_kelly","speaker_confidence":0.9,"start_sec":125.4,"end_sec":126.3,"text":"That's correct.","topics_json":"[\"housing\"]","vector_id":"vec_seg_98456_10","created_at":"2026-10-31T06:41:35Z","speaker_name":"John Kelly"},{"id":"seg_98456_100","meeting_id":"98456","media_asset_id":"med_98456_4f0e0b9f6a40e4b3","agenda_item_id":null,"speaker_id":"spk_98456_chunk10_speaker_2","speaker_confidence":0.85,"start_sec":1008.98,"end_sec":1018.28,"text":"Yeah, we would, we wouldn't restrict that. I mean, you can't hinder your business. If it's causing a grief to and a concern for the neighbors, like noise,","topics_json":"[\"zoning\",\"business\"]","vector_id":"vec_seg_98456_100","created_at":"2026-10-31T06:41:35Z","speaker_name":null},{"id":"seg_98456_101","meeting_id":"98456","media_asset_id":"med_98456_4f0e0b9f6a40e4b3","agenda_item_id":null,"speaker_id":"spk_98456_chunk10_speaker_1","speaker_confidence":0.85,"start_sec":1018.28,"end_sec":1018.98,"text":"Right.","topics_json":"[]","vector_id":"vec_seg_98456_101","created_at":"2026-10-31T06:41:35Z","speaker_name":null},{"id":"seg_98456_102","meeting_id":"98456","media_asset_id":"med_98456_4f0e0b9f6a40e4b3","agenda_item_id":null,"speaker_id":"spk_98456_chunk10_speaker_2","speaker_confidence":0.85,"start_sec":1018.98,"end_sec":1066.38,"text":"then most definitely. There's zoning codes that that prohibit that, but to some merchandise, there who wouldn't stop you from, so, nobody.","topics_json":"[\"zoning\",\"business\"]","vector_id":"vec_seg_98456_102","created_at":"2026-10-31T06:41:35Z","speaker_name":null},{"id":"seg_98456_103","meeting_id":"98456","media_asset_id":"med_98456_4f0e0b9f6a40e4b3","agenda_item_id":null,"speaker_id":"spk_98456_chunk10_speaker_3","speaker_confidence":0.85,"start_sec":1066.38,"end_sec":1069.18,"text":"So are they, are you all interested in trying to reopen?","topics_json":"[\"business\"]","vector_id":"vec_seg_98456_103","created_at":"2026-10-31T06:41:35Z","speaker_name":null},{"id":"seg_98456_104","meeting_id":"98456","media_asset_id":"med_98456_4f0e0b9f6a40e4b3","agenda_item_id":null,"speaker_id":"spk_98456_chunk10_speaker_1","speaker_confidence":0.85,"start_sec":1069.18,"end_sec":1082.38,"text":"Well, I mean, it's her hobby, you know. I mean, she she puts stuff on for sell stuff, but now as the kids now the kids are close to school, uh","topics_json":"[\"business\"]","vector_id":"vec_seg_98456_104","created_at":"2026-10-31T06:41:35Z","speaker_name":null},{"id":"seg_98456_105","meeting_id":"98456","media_asset_id":"med_98456_4f0e0b9f6a40e4b3","agenda_item_id":null,"speaker_id":"spk_98456_chunk10_speaker_3","speaker_confidence":0.85,"start_sec":1082.38,"end_sec":1084.08,"text":"So she would be interested in reopening?","topics_json":"[\"business\"]","vector_id":"vec_seg_98456_105","created_at":"2026-10-31T06:41:35Z","speaker_name":null},{"id":"seg_98456_106","meeting_id":"98456","media_asset_id":"med_98456_4f0e0b9f6a40e4b3","agenda_item_id":null,"speaker_id":"spk_98456_chunk10_speaker_1","speaker_confidence":0.85,"start_sec":1084.08,"end_sec":1085.88,"text":"Definitely, that's that's correct. Yeah.","topics_json":"[\"business\"]","vector_id":"vec_seg_98456_106","created_at":"2026-10-31T06:41:35Z","speaker_name":null},{"id":"seg_98456_107","meeting_id":"98456","media_asset_id":"med_98456_4f0e0b9f6a40e4b3","agenda_item_id":null,"speaker_id":"spk_98456_chunk10_speaker_3","speaker_confidence":0.85,"start_sec":1085.88,"end_sec":1087.78,"text":"How can they reopen?","topics_json":"[\"business\"]","vector_id":"vec_seg_98456_107","created_at":"2026-10-31T06:41:35Z","speaker_name":null},{"id":"seg_98456_108","meeting_id":"98456","media_asset_id":"med_98456_4f0e0b9f6a40e4b3","agenda_item_id":null,"speaker_id":"off_fred_a_neil","speaker_confidence":0.95,"start_sec":1087.78,"end_sec":1109.88,"text":"Uh, just to just to follow up on it, she if she expresses being willing then, because we can find out why she didn't get the license. I mean, the you're the betwixt and between. We can forgive you for this, again, because it was late, we're not interested in punishing you. If she wants to get the license back so that it's no longer abandoned,","topics_json":"[\"business\",\"zoning\"]","vector_id":"vec_seg_98456_108","created_at":"2026-10-31T06:41:35Z","speaker_name":"Fred A. 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Am I am I right, Don, as per the ordinance?","topics_json":"[\"business\",\"zoning\"]","vector_id":"vec_seg_98456_114","created_at":"2026-10-31T06:41:35Z","speaker_name":null},{"id":"seg_98456_115","meeting_id":"98456","media_asset_id":"med_98456_4f0e0b9f6a40e4b3","agenda_item_id":null,"speaker_id":"spk_98456_don","speaker_confidence":0.9,"start_sec":1121.86,"end_sec":1123.16,"text":"Yep.","topics_json":"[\"zoning\"]","vector_id":"vec_seg_98456_115","created_at":"2026-10-31T06:41:35Z","speaker_name":"Don"},{"id":"seg_98456_116","meeting_id":"98456","media_asset_id":"med_98456_4f0e0b9f6a40e4b3","agenda_item_id":null,"speaker_id":"spk_98456_board_member_3","speaker_confidence":0.9,"start_sec":1123.16,"end_sec":1126.96,"text":"So, and the reason for that is vacant buildings with a bunch of stuff in there,","topics_json":"[\"public_safety\",\"zoning\"]","vector_id":"vec_seg_98456_116","created_at":"2026-10-31T06:41:35Z","speaker_name":null},{"id":"seg_98456_117","meeting_id":"98456","media_asset_id":"med_98456_4f0e0b9f6a40e4b3","agenda_item_id":null,"speaker_id":"spk_98456_appellant","speaker_confidence":0.85,"start_sec":1126.96,"end_sec":1127.76,"text":"Right.","topics_json":"[]","vector_id":"vec_seg_98456_117","created_at":"2026-10-31T06:41:35Z","speaker_name":null},{"id":"seg_98456_118","meeting_id":"98456","media_asset_id":"med_98456_4f0e0b9f6a40e4b3","agenda_item_id":null,"speaker_id":"spk_98456_board_member_3","speaker_confidence":0.9,"start_sec":1127.76,"end_sec":1128.66,"text":"it's a fire hazard.","topics_json":"[\"public_safety\"]","vector_id":"vec_seg_98456_118","created_at":"2026-10-31T06:41:35Z","speaker_name":null},{"id":"seg_98456_119","meeting_id":"98456","media_asset_id":"med_98456_4f0e0b9f6a40e4b3","agenda_item_id":null,"speaker_id":"spk_98456_appellant","speaker_confidence":0.85,"start_sec":1128.66,"end_sec":1129.96,"text":"Sure, absolutely.","topics_json":"[]","vector_id":"vec_seg_98456_119","created_at":"2026-10-31T06:41:36Z","speaker_name":null},{"id":"seg_98456_12","meeting_id":"98456","media_asset_id":"med_98456_4f0e0b9f6a40e4b3","agenda_item_id":null,"speaker_id":"spk_98456_john_kelly","speaker_confidence":0.9,"start_sec":128.2,"end_sec":129.3,"text":"Both.","topics_json":"[\"housing\"]","vector_id":"vec_seg_98456_12","created_at":"2026-10-31T06:41:35Z","speaker_name":"John Kelly"},{"id":"seg_98456_120","meeting_id":"98456","media_asset_id":"med_98456_4f0e0b9f6a40e4b3","agenda_item_id":null,"speaker_id":"spk_98456_board_member_3","speaker_confidence":0.9,"start_sec":1129.96,"end_sec":1133.66,"text":"So, uh, my recommendation would be open it back up.","topics_json":"[\"business\"]","vector_id":"vec_seg_98456_120","created_at":"2026-10-31T06:41:36Z","speaker_name":null},{"id":"seg_98456_121","meeting_id":"98456","media_asset_id":"med_98456_4f0e0b9f6a40e4b3","agenda_item_id":null,"speaker_id":"spk_98456_appellant","speaker_confidence":0.85,"start_sec":1133.66,"end_sec":1134.46,"text":"Right.","topics_json":"[]","vector_id":"vec_seg_98456_121","created_at":"2026-10-31T06:41:36Z","speaker_name":null},{"id":"seg_98456_122","meeting_id":"98456","media_asset_id":"med_98456_4f0e0b9f6a40e4b3","agenda_item_id":null,"speaker_id":"spk_98456_board_member_3","speaker_confidence":0.9,"start_sec":1134.46,"end_sec":1140.16,"text":"Because if not, everything in there is going to have to come out and it's just going to be bare walls. So, just just want to put that out there since it was brought up.","topics_json":"[\"zoning\"]","vector_id":"vec_seg_98456_122","created_at":"2026-10-31T06:41:36Z","speaker_name":null},{"id":"seg_98456_123","meeting_id":"98456","media_asset_id":"med_98456_4f0e0b9f6a40e4b3","agenda_item_id":null,"speaker_id":"spk_98456_appellant","speaker_confidence":0.85,"start_sec":1140.16,"end_sec":1142.66,"text":"Sure, sure. Appreciate it.","topics_json":"[]","vector_id":"vec_seg_98456_123","created_at":"2026-10-31T06:41:36Z","speaker_name":null},{"id":"seg_98456_124","meeting_id":"98456","media_asset_id":"med_98456_4f0e0b9f6a40e4b3","agenda_item_id":null,"speaker_id":"spk_98456_don","speaker_confidence":0.9,"start_sec":1142.66,"end_sec":1154.66,"text":"And and just if I may say so, um the way we base our vacant building structure is utilities. 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So that's the reason why there's no water there, and that must be because there's no water, there's no heat, and because of the baseboard hot water heat. So, um, not to get into a whole dissertation of the whole job...","topics_json":"[\"housing\"]","vector_id":"vec_seg_98456_126","created_at":"2026-10-31T06:41:36Z","speaker_name":null},{"id":"seg_98456_127","meeting_id":"98456","media_asset_id":"med_98456_4f0e0b9f6a40e4b3","agenda_item_id":null,"speaker_id":"spk_98456_board_member_1","speaker_confidence":0.85,"start_sec":1217.65,"end_sec":1229.35,"text":"And if I may, if you if you do have an issue with that, you contact customer service. They can come make sure that meter is functioning properly, because it could be a meter issue. 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All right. The agenda has been adapted. So today we're here to hear um um property maintenance code citation, Chapter 22, Buildings and Building Regulations, Article 12, Vacant Buildings, Section 22-403, Registration and Registration Fee, appeal of registration fee for the property located at 406 South Governors Avenue, and uh the representative and/or owner is John Kelly. 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I'm familiar, I know what you're talking about.","topics_json":"[]","vector_id":"vec_seg_98457_103","created_at":"2026-10-31T05:58:20Z","speaker_name":null},{"id":"seg_98457_104","meeting_id":"98457","media_asset_id":"med_98457_dc160cd245fcb944","agenda_item_id":null,"speaker_id":"spk_98457_female_speaker_2","speaker_confidence":1,"start_sec":873.36,"end_sec":876.86,"text":"801 is the shelter, House of Hope.","topics_json":"[\"homelessness\",\"housing\"]","vector_id":"vec_seg_98457_104","created_at":"2026-10-31T05:58:20Z","speaker_name":null},{"id":"seg_98457_105","meeting_id":"98457","media_asset_id":"med_98457_dc160cd245fcb944","agenda_item_id":null,"speaker_id":"spk_98457_male_speaker_2","speaker_confidence":1,"start_sec":877.36,"end_sec":908.16,"text":"Mhm. That's what I was trying to distinguish. Cuz I saw the sign, House of Hope, but I was I was thinking of what you were saying, Hopes and Dreams. Okay. Also, um the place that used to be next um to the railroad tracks, close to Lincoln Park area, they were It was like a It was almost like a men's shelter.","topics_json":"[\"homelessness\",\"housing\"]","vector_id":"vec_seg_98457_105","created_at":"2026-10-31T05:58:20Z","speaker_name":null},{"id":"seg_98457_106","meeting_id":"98457","media_asset_id":"med_98457_dc160cd245fcb944","agenda_item_id":null,"speaker_id":"spk_98457_female_speaker_2","speaker_confidence":1,"start_sec":908.36,"end_sec":909.86,"text":"It's no longer there.","topics_json":"[\"homelessness\",\"housing\"]","vector_id":"vec_seg_98457_106","created_at":"2026-10-31T05:58:20Z","speaker_name":null},{"id":"seg_98457_107","meeting_id":"98457","media_asset_id":"med_98457_dc160cd245fcb944","agenda_item_id":null,"speaker_id":"spk_98457_male_speaker_2","speaker_confidence":1,"start_sec":909.86,"end_sec":913.56,"text":"Right. Do we know exactly where they uh relocated to?","topics_json":"[\"homelessness\",\"housing\"]","vector_id":"vec_seg_98457_107","created_at":"2026-10-31T05:58:20Z","speaker_name":null},{"id":"seg_98457_108","meeting_id":"98457","media_asset_id":"med_98457_dc160cd245fcb944","agenda_item_id":null,"speaker_id":"spk_98457_female_speaker_2","speaker_confidence":1,"start_sec":913.86,"end_sec":916.36,"text":"I do. One is Walker Road.","topics_json":"[\"homelessness\",\"housing\"]","vector_id":"vec_seg_98457_108","created_at":"2026-10-31T05:58:20Z","speaker_name":null},{"id":"seg_98457_109","meeting_id":"98457","media_asset_id":"med_98457_dc160cd245fcb944","agenda_item_id":null,"speaker_id":"spk_98457_female_speaker_1","speaker_confidence":1,"start_sec":916.36,"end_sec":919.86,"text":"Yes, I was going to say Walker Road. Interfaith. It's the Interfaith.","topics_json":"[\"homelessness\",\"housing\"]","vector_id":"vec_seg_98457_109","created_at":"2026-10-31T05:58:20Z","speaker_name":null},{"id":"seg_98457_11","meeting_id":"98457","media_asset_id":"med_98457_dc160cd245fcb944","agenda_item_id":null,"speaker_id":"spk_98457_commissioner","speaker_confidence":0.8,"start_sec":34.4,"end_sec":67.62,"text":"I make a motion that we uh table the uh public forum comments, and start with our normal meeting, and if someone comes on, we can pause and activate the uh public forum and give them their due time.","topics_json":"[]","vector_id":"vec_seg_98457_11","created_at":"2026-10-31T05:58:20Z","speaker_name":null},{"id":"seg_98457_110","meeting_id":"98457","media_asset_id":"med_98457_dc160cd245fcb944","agenda_item_id":null,"speaker_id":"spk_98457_female_speaker_2","speaker_confidence":1,"start_sec":919.86,"end_sec":920.86,"text":"Interfaith.","topics_json":"[\"homelessness\",\"housing\"]","vector_id":"vec_seg_98457_110","created_at":"2026-10-31T05:58:20Z","speaker_name":null},{"id":"seg_98457_111","meeting_id":"98457","media_asset_id":"med_98457_dc160cd245fcb944","agenda_item_id":null,"speaker_id":"spk_98457_male_speaker_2","speaker_confidence":1,"start_sec":920.86,"end_sec":925.36,"text":"Okay, I know exactly what you're talking about. Okay.","topics_json":"[]","vector_id":"vec_seg_98457_111","created_at":"2026-10-31T05:58:20Z","speaker_name":null},{"id":"seg_98457_112","meeting_id":"98457","media_asset_id":"med_98457_dc160cd245fcb944","agenda_item_id":null,"speaker_id":"spk_98457_male_speaker_2","speaker_confidence":1,"start_sec":926.36,"end_sec":982.95,"text":"So, um just talk a little bit about Since we're on the community programs, um we have a visitor, um Mr. Daniels, and he he said he was from the Neighborhood Partners uh agency, which is where I did meet him. And um I had a I was there at their previous meeting, and and they have them every month. Um and they talk a lot of about community support uh and programs and and bringing, you know, just the things, the necessity, the resources that everybody really is talking about. So, um it was a it was another meeting again with um another agency that is trying to provide uh services and support for the for the needy, um those who are underrepresented,","topics_json":"[\"homelessness\",\"housing\"]","vector_id":"vec_seg_98457_112","created_at":"2026-10-31T05:58:20Z","speaker_name":null},{"id":"seg_98457_113","meeting_id":"98457","media_asset_id":"med_98457_dc160cd245fcb944","agenda_item_id":null,"speaker_id":"spk_98457_commissioner","speaker_confidence":0.85,"start_sec":982.95,"end_sec":1043.45,"text":"and need the particular support that is lacking. So, um, I was there and and and of course, they're affiliated with a lot of other agencies so they do do they do have a collaboration effort taking place. And it would be good When I when I attend, I do attend as Dover Human Relations Commissioner, um, but it would also be good, um, if you all could make it as well. We don't want to create a quorum, of course. However, they're very informative, and some good folks to meet, and and we can think about, um, you know, how we can lend a helping hand to to their, uh, to their efforts as well. Okay? Um, and Mr. Daniels will be able to tell you more exactly on the times that they meet and and what would be what their schedule is more like, um, and what they present down for Neighborhood Partners. It's a advisory committee?","topics_json":"[\"homelessness\"]","vector_id":"vec_seg_98457_113","created_at":"2026-10-31T05:58:20Z","speaker_name":null},{"id":"seg_98457_114","meeting_id":"98457","media_asset_id":"med_98457_dc160cd245fcb944","agenda_item_id":null,"speaker_id":"spk_98457_commissioner_2","speaker_confidence":0.8,"start_sec":1043.45,"end_sec":1046.45,"text":"Uh the Community Leadership?","topics_json":"[]","vector_id":"vec_seg_98457_114","created_at":"2026-10-31T05:58:20Z","speaker_name":null},{"id":"seg_98457_115","meeting_id":"98457","media_asset_id":"med_98457_dc160cd245fcb944","agenda_item_id":null,"speaker_id":"spk_98457_commissioner","speaker_confidence":0.85,"start_sec":1046.45,"end_sec":1179.54,"text":"Yeah. Right. So, he can he he'll be able to fill you in more if you want to know a little bit more and then be involved with the Neighborhood Partners. It's a it's a good program and things that they got going on. They also take donations as well, um, and you know, those resources are is with that agency, too. And a lot of these things, um, we all I don't want to say we all are doing the same thing, but, um, a lot of things are similar, and that's why what we want to do, just like the young man who came, um, last last meeting and and talked about, you know, some collaboration efforts, that's really what needs to take place. So, a lot of people are doing some of the some good things, and they are getting together. Um, we just need to get together a little bit more and and, um, have a more, uh, tighter niche on the the things that, you know, knowledge of of knowing what's going on, who's providing what services, those type of things, okay? Also, um, I had some communication from Calvary Baptist Church, I'm not sure if you're familiar you probably are familiar with Calvary Baptist Church. Um, they provide, um, yeah, feeding opportunity for the underrepresented on Mondays. Monday afternoons of course, you know that's from 12 until I believe it's a couple hours that they do it. Also, of course, you I've had communications from the church here, Whatcoat United Methodist. They also they feed on Saturdays. So, we we also want to be aware of of that resource taking place. And also, I've been communicating with Mt. Zion AME Church in their kitchen, and they're starting, um, to feed on Wednesdays. So, there we see we have three out of four out of seven days, uh, where we can, uh, send","topics_json":"[\"homelessness\"]","vector_id":"vec_seg_98457_115","created_at":"2026-10-31T05:58:20Z","speaker_name":null},{"id":"seg_98457_116","meeting_id":"98457","media_asset_id":"med_98457_dc160cd245fcb944","agenda_item_id":null,"speaker_id":"off_roy_sudler_jr","speaker_confidence":0.95,"start_sec":1179.54,"end_sec":1213.24,"text":"um folks for some good feedings. Um, one of the Wednesdays, myself, I'll be providing the um the food, and because I'll be cooking, and, you know, I like to do that. So I do that um quite often um for for the public, and I use Mt. Zion's kitchen, and I'll cook and and feed as well. So um that's just a little update on those three um events that are are uh continuous and that are taking place now. Um, we had a question, Commissioner Brinkley?","topics_json":"[\"community_services\",\"homelessness\"]","vector_id":"vec_seg_98457_116","created_at":"2026-10-31T05:58:20Z","speaker_name":"Roy Sudler, Jr."},{"id":"seg_98457_117","meeting_id":"98457","media_asset_id":"med_98457_dc160cd245fcb944","agenda_item_id":null,"speaker_id":"spk_98457_commissioner_brinkley","speaker_confidence":0.9,"start_sec":1213.24,"end_sec":1245.74,"text":"I just want to add to that that People's Church serves every day um at 5:00 p.m. or 5: 4:45 p.m., around that time, every day, dinner. Um, individuals can have the, you know, ability to go in there and cook the meal, provide the meal. They're feeding up to 75 to 80 per night. Um, and there's a calendar on social media that you can uh it's The Center for Neighbors in Need at the People's Church, In Jean's Hands. Um, you can sign up for a night to provide a meal.","topics_json":"[\"community_services\",\"homelessness\"]","vector_id":"vec_seg_98457_117","created_at":"2026-10-31T05:58:20Z","speaker_name":"Commissioner Brinkley"},{"id":"seg_98457_118","meeting_id":"98457","media_asset_id":"med_98457_dc160cd245fcb944","agenda_item_id":null,"speaker_id":"spk_98457_commissioner","speaker_confidence":0.85,"start_sec":1245.74,"end_sec":1248.34,"text":"Can you tell me where the People's Church is located again?","topics_json":"[\"community_services\"]","vector_id":"vec_seg_98457_118","created_at":"2026-10-31T05:58:20Z","speaker_name":null},{"id":"seg_98457_119","meeting_id":"98457","media_asset_id":"med_98457_dc160cd245fcb944","agenda_item_id":null,"speaker_id":"spk_98457_commissioner_brinkley","speaker_confidence":0.9,"start_sec":1248.34,"end_sec":1253.74,"text":"That is at 46 South Bradford Street in Dover. It's right across the street from uh the fire department.","topics_json":"[\"community_services\"]","vector_id":"vec_seg_98457_119","created_at":"2026-10-31T05:58:20Z","speaker_name":"Commissioner Brinkley"},{"id":"seg_98457_12","meeting_id":"98457","media_asset_id":"med_98457_dc160cd245fcb944","agenda_item_id":null,"speaker_id":"spk_98457_female_commissioner","speaker_confidence":0.8,"start_sec":67.62,"end_sec":68.8,"text":"Second.","topics_json":"[]","vector_id":"vec_seg_98457_12","created_at":"2026-10-31T05:58:20Z","speaker_name":null},{"id":"seg_98457_120","meeting_id":"98457","media_asset_id":"med_98457_dc160cd245fcb944","agenda_item_id":null,"speaker_id":"off_roy_sudler_jr","speaker_confidence":0.95,"start_sec":1253.74,"end_sec":1256.04,"text":"People's Church, 46...","topics_json":"[\"community_services\"]","vector_id":"vec_seg_98457_120","created_at":"2026-10-31T05:58:20Z","speaker_name":"Roy Sudler, Jr."},{"id":"seg_98457_121","meeting_id":"98457","media_asset_id":"med_98457_dc160cd245fcb944","agenda_item_id":null,"speaker_id":"spk_98457_commissioner","speaker_confidence":0.85,"start_sec":1256.04,"end_sec":1260.64,"text":"Okay, 46 South Bradford. I know exactly what you're talking about, 46 South Bradford.","topics_json":"[\"community_services\"]","vector_id":"vec_seg_98457_121","created_at":"2026-10-31T05:58:20Z","speaker_name":null},{"id":"seg_98457_122","meeting_id":"98457","media_asset_id":"med_98457_dc160cd245fcb944","agenda_item_id":null,"speaker_id":"spk_98457_commissioner_brinkley","speaker_confidence":0.9,"start_sec":1260.64,"end_sec":1268.44,"text":"I have a question. Commissioner Sudler, is there any way that you can get me these, like the addresses to these churches that you've given already? So...","topics_json":"[\"community_services\"]","vector_id":"vec_seg_98457_122","created_at":"2026-10-31T05:58:20Z","speaker_name":"Commissioner Brinkley"},{"id":"seg_98457_123","meeting_id":"98457","media_asset_id":"med_98457_dc160cd245fcb944","agenda_item_id":null,"speaker_id":"off_roy_sudler_jr","speaker_confidence":0.95,"start_sec":1268.44,"end_sec":1271.04,"text":"Mt. Zion's address...","topics_json":"[\"community_services\"]","vector_id":"vec_seg_98457_123","created_at":"2026-10-31T05:58:20Z","speaker_name":"Roy Sudler, Jr."},{"id":"seg_98457_124","meeting_id":"98457","media_asset_id":"med_98457_dc160cd245fcb944","agenda_item_id":null,"speaker_id":"spk_98457_commissioner_brinkley","speaker_confidence":0.9,"start_sec":1271.04,"end_sec":1275.64,"text":"And like Calvary, is it the one here in town or is it the one in Camden?","topics_json":"[\"community_services\"]","vector_id":"vec_seg_98457_124","created_at":"2026-10-31T05:58:20Z","speaker_name":"Commissioner Brinkley"},{"id":"seg_98457_125","meeting_id":"98457","media_asset_id":"med_98457_dc160cd245fcb944","agenda_item_id":null,"speaker_id":"off_roy_sudler_jr","speaker_confidence":0.95,"start_sec":1275.64,"end_sec":1280.54,"text":"The one in town. I know they have a new one on Route 8, but um they feed from the one in town.","topics_json":"[\"community_services\"]","vector_id":"vec_seg_98457_125","created_at":"2026-10-31T05:58:20Z","speaker_name":"Roy Sudler, Jr."},{"id":"seg_98457_126","meeting_id":"98457","media_asset_id":"med_98457_dc160cd245fcb944","agenda_item_id":null,"speaker_id":"spk_98457_commissioner_brinkley","speaker_confidence":0.9,"start_sec":1280.54,"end_sec":1283.84,"text":"Can I get an address? I mean like could you, I'm just saying could you just email it to me...","topics_json":"[\"community_services\"]","vector_id":"vec_seg_98457_126","created_at":"2026-10-31T05:58:20Z","speaker_name":"Commissioner Brinkley"},{"id":"seg_98457_127","meeting_id":"98457","media_asset_id":"med_98457_dc160cd245fcb944","agenda_item_id":null,"speaker_id":"off_roy_sudler_jr","speaker_confidence":0.95,"start_sec":1283.84,"end_sec":1285.84,"text":"Yeah, yeah, I understand.","topics_json":"[\"community_services\"]","vector_id":"vec_seg_98457_127","created_at":"2026-10-31T05:58:20Z","speaker_name":"Roy Sudler, Jr."},{"id":"seg_98457_128","meeting_id":"98457","media_asset_id":"med_98457_dc160cd245fcb944","agenda_item_id":null,"speaker_id":"spk_98457_commissioner_brinkley","speaker_confidence":0.9,"start_sec":1285.84,"end_sec":1287.14,"text":"...text it to me?","topics_json":"[\"community_services\"]","vector_id":"vec_seg_98457_128","created_at":"2026-10-31T05:58:20Z","speaker_name":"Commissioner Brinkley"},{"id":"seg_98457_129","meeting_id":"98457","media_asset_id":"med_98457_dc160cd245fcb944","agenda_item_id":null,"speaker_id":"off_roy_sudler_jr","speaker_confidence":0.95,"start_sec":1287.14,"end_sec":1297.34,"text":"Uh, I know. You're going to get it right now. Hold on, hold on.","topics_json":"[\"community_services\"]","vector_id":"vec_seg_98457_129","created_at":"2026-10-31T05:58:20Z","speaker_name":"Roy Sudler, Jr."},{"id":"seg_98457_13","meeting_id":"98457","media_asset_id":"med_98457_dc160cd245fcb944","agenda_item_id":null,"speaker_id":"off_roy_sudler_jr","speaker_confidence":0.95,"start_sec":69.86,"end_sec":84.82,"text":"It's been properly moved and seconded that we table the 10-minute public forum uh for a little later, and move on with business as usual, and those who come in, we will make time for um public and later on the evening of the meeting. Any question on the motion? Any question on the motion?","topics_json":"[]","vector_id":"vec_seg_98457_13","created_at":"2026-10-31T05:58:20Z","speaker_name":"Roy Sudler, Jr."},{"id":"seg_98457_130","meeting_id":"98457","media_asset_id":"med_98457_dc160cd245fcb944","agenda_item_id":null,"speaker_id":"spk_98457_commissioner_brinkley","speaker_confidence":0.9,"start_sec":1297.34,"end_sec":1299.34,"text":"I mean, once again, we want to be effective, right?","topics_json":"[\"community_services\"]","vector_id":"vec_seg_98457_130","created_at":"2026-10-31T05:58:20Z","speaker_name":"Commissioner Brinkley"},{"id":"seg_98457_131","meeting_id":"98457","media_asset_id":"med_98457_dc160cd245fcb944","agenda_item_id":null,"speaker_id":"off_roy_sudler_jr","speaker_confidence":0.95,"start_sec":1299.34,"end_sec":1301.24,"text":"Yes indeed, that's why I don't want to be late, because you know soon as I might walk out these doors, I mean, I've lost the thought. But I'll make sure um you have that address.","topics_json":"[\"community_services\"]","vector_id":"vec_seg_98457_131","created_at":"2026-10-31T05:58:20Z","speaker_name":"Roy Sudler, Jr."},{"id":"seg_98457_132","meeting_id":"98457","media_asset_id":"med_98457_dc160cd245fcb944","agenda_item_id":null,"speaker_id":"off_roy_sudler_jr","speaker_confidence":0.95,"start_sec":1301.24,"end_sec":1321.04,"text":"Calvary and Mt. Zion. Mt. Zion, 101 North um Queen, North Queen Street. That's 19901.","topics_json":"[\"community_services\"]","vector_id":"vec_seg_98457_132","created_at":"2026-10-31T05:58:20Z","speaker_name":"Roy Sudler, Jr."},{"id":"seg_98457_133","meeting_id":"98457","media_asset_id":"med_98457_dc160cd245fcb944","agenda_item_id":null,"speaker_id":"spk_98457_commissioner","speaker_confidence":0.85,"start_sec":1321.04,"end_sec":1323.14,"text":"Can I make a suggestion?","topics_json":"[\"community_services\"]","vector_id":"vec_seg_98457_133","created_at":"2026-10-31T05:58:20Z","speaker_name":null},{"id":"seg_98457_134","meeting_id":"98457","media_asset_id":"med_98457_dc160cd245fcb944","agenda_item_id":null,"speaker_id":"off_roy_sudler_jr","speaker_confidence":0.95,"start_sec":1323.14,"end_sec":1324.04,"text":"Yes.","topics_json":"[\"community_services\"]","vector_id":"vec_seg_98457_134","created_at":"2026-10-31T05:58:20Z","speaker_name":"Roy Sudler, Jr."},{"id":"seg_98457_135","meeting_id":"98457","media_asset_id":"med_98457_dc160cd245fcb944","agenda_item_id":null,"speaker_id":"spk_98457_commissioner","speaker_confidence":0.85,"start_sec":1324.04,"end_sec":1329.84,"text":"If we're going to list all these places, why don't we have uh the list there so if we...","topics_json":"[\"community_services\"]","vector_id":"vec_seg_98457_135","created_at":"2026-10-31T05:58:20Z","speaker_name":null},{"id":"seg_98457_136","meeting_id":"98457","media_asset_id":"med_98457_dc160cd245fcb944","agenda_item_id":null,"speaker_id":"off_roy_sudler_jr","speaker_confidence":0.95,"start_sec":1329.84,"end_sec":1338.34,"text":"I think Commissioner Brinkley was alluding to that. Yeah. And she was trying to make me do the legwork right now. Did you see that?","topics_json":"[\"community_services\"]","vector_id":"vec_seg_98457_136","created_at":"2026-10-31T05:58:20Z","speaker_name":"Roy Sudler, Jr."},{"id":"seg_98457_137","meeting_id":"98457","media_asset_id":"med_98457_dc160cd245fcb944","agenda_item_id":null,"speaker_id":"spk_98457_commissioner","speaker_confidence":0.85,"start_sec":1338.34,"end_sec":1339.54,"text":"No, all I'm saying is...","topics_json":"[\"community_services\"]","vector_id":"vec_seg_98457_137","created_at":"2026-10-31T05:58:20Z","speaker_name":null},{"id":"seg_98457_138","meeting_id":"98457","media_asset_id":"med_98457_dc160cd245fcb944","agenda_item_id":null,"speaker_id":"off_roy_sudler_jr","speaker_confidence":0.95,"start_sec":1339.54,"end_sec":1343.04,"text":"I already, you know, I understood it already. I understood already from the request.","topics_json":"[\"community_services\"]","vector_id":"vec_seg_98457_138","created_at":"2026-10-31T05:58:20Z","speaker_name":"Roy Sudler, Jr."},{"id":"seg_98457_139","meeting_id":"98457","media_asset_id":"med_98457_dc160cd245fcb944","agenda_item_id":null,"speaker_id":"spk_98457_commissioner","speaker_confidence":0.85,"start_sec":1343.04,"end_sec":1352.54,"text":"...if we can have it so we can give it out to the public, cuz if the public's there saying, \"Where can I get food?\" Here's the addresses, here's the phone number, here's the days they feed.","topics_json":"[\"community_services\",\"homelessness\"]","vector_id":"vec_seg_98457_139","created_at":"2026-10-31T05:58:20Z","speaker_name":null},{"id":"seg_98457_14","meeting_id":"98457","media_asset_id":"med_98457_dc160cd245fcb944","agenda_item_id":null,"speaker_id":"spk_98457_commissioner","speaker_confidence":0.8,"start_sec":85.07,"end_sec":87.37,"text":"Dr. Sudler, uh somebody just walked in.","topics_json":"[]","vector_id":"vec_seg_98457_14","created_at":"2026-10-31T05:58:20Z","speaker_name":null},{"id":"seg_98457_140","meeting_id":"98457","media_asset_id":"med_98457_dc160cd245fcb944","agenda_item_id":null,"speaker_id":"spk_98457_roy_sudler_jr","speaker_confidence":0.95,"start_sec":1352.54,"end_sec":1360.34,"text":"And we'll get some help from the uh city clerk's office as well to make sure that our list is real right and nice and...","topics_json":"[\"community_services\"]","vector_id":"vec_seg_98457_140","created_at":"2026-10-31T05:58:20Z","speaker_name":null},{"id":"seg_98457_141","meeting_id":"98457","media_asset_id":"med_98457_dc160cd245fcb944","agenda_item_id":null,"speaker_id":"spk_98457_commissioner","speaker_confidence":0.85,"start_sec":1360.34,"end_sec":1362.64,"text":"Okay. 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Greatly appreciate it. Thank you, Commissioner Brinkley, for that.","topics_json":"[]","vector_id":"vec_seg_98457_148","created_at":"2026-10-31T05:58:20Z","speaker_name":"Commissioner Mullins"},{"id":"seg_98457_149","meeting_id":"98457","media_asset_id":"med_98457_dc160cd245fcb944","agenda_item_id":null,"speaker_id":"spk_98457_commissioner_mullins","speaker_confidence":0.9,"start_sec":1383.46,"end_sec":1384.7,"text":"Commissioner White, you had a question?","topics_json":"[]","vector_id":"vec_seg_98457_149","created_at":"2026-10-31T05:58:20Z","speaker_name":"Commissioner Mullins"},{"id":"seg_98457_15","meeting_id":"98457","media_asset_id":"med_98457_dc160cd245fcb944","agenda_item_id":null,"speaker_id":"spk_98457_reginald_daniel","speaker_confidence":0.7,"start_sec":87.37,"end_sec":88.3,"text":"Hello.","topics_json":"[]","vector_id":"vec_seg_98457_15","created_at":"2026-10-31T05:58:20Z","speaker_name":"Reginald Daniel"},{"id":"seg_98457_150","meeting_id":"98457","media_asset_id":"med_98457_dc160cd245fcb944","agenda_item_id":null,"speaker_id":"spk_98457_commissioner_white","speaker_confidence":0.9,"start_sec":1385.14,"end_sec":1390.42,"text":"I would just like to reiterate that Calvary Baptist Church at Queen and Fulton Street, uh that is my church.","topics_json":"[]","vector_id":"vec_seg_98457_150","created_at":"2026-10-31T05:58:20Z","speaker_name":"Commissioner White"},{"id":"seg_98457_151","meeting_id":"98457","media_asset_id":"med_98457_dc160cd245fcb944","agenda_item_id":null,"speaker_id":"spk_98457_commissioner_mullins","speaker_confidence":0.9,"start_sec":1391.04,"end_sec":1391.97,"text":"Do you have the address to your church?","topics_json":"[]","vector_id":"vec_seg_98457_151","created_at":"2026-10-31T05:58:20Z","speaker_name":"Commissioner Mullins"},{"id":"seg_98457_152","meeting_id":"98457","media_asset_id":"med_98457_dc160cd245fcb944","agenda_item_id":null,"speaker_id":"spk_98457_commissioner_white","speaker_confidence":0.9,"start_sec":1392.28,"end_sec":1398.37,"text":"I don't know the number, but it's like it's right across from your church, yeah. 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So those types of uh resources uh coming from those particular type of uh organizations uh would definitely be good to have um, you know, a a a central place where we can go and and collect those particular type of resources.","topics_json":"[\"homelessness\"]","vector_id":"vec_seg_98457_155","created_at":"2026-10-31T05:58:20Z","speaker_name":"Commissioner Mullins"},{"id":"seg_98457_156","meeting_id":"98457","media_asset_id":"med_98457_dc160cd245fcb944","agenda_item_id":null,"speaker_id":"spk_98457_commissioner_mullins","speaker_confidence":0.9,"start_sec":1448.68,"end_sec":1450.98,"text":"Commissioner White, uh Ms. Wilbur needed you.","topics_json":"[]","vector_id":"vec_seg_98457_156","created_at":"2026-10-31T05:58:20Z","speaker_name":"Commissioner Mullins"},{"id":"seg_98457_157","meeting_id":"98457","media_asset_id":"med_98457_dc160cd245fcb944","agenda_item_id":null,"speaker_id":"spk_98457_commissioner_mullins","speaker_confidence":0.9,"start_sec":1451.91,"end_sec":1457,"text":"Calvary uh Calvary Assembly of God is the one off of um Lebanon in Route 10.","topics_json":"[]","vector_id":"vec_seg_98457_157","created_at":"2026-10-31T05:58:20Z","speaker_name":"Commissioner Mullins"},{"id":"seg_98457_158","meeting_id":"98457","media_asset_id":"med_98457_dc160cd245fcb944","agenda_item_id":null,"speaker_id":"spk_98457_commissioner_mullins","speaker_confidence":0.9,"start_sec":1457.37,"end_sec":1458.12,"text":"Commissioner Brinkley.","topics_json":"[]","vector_id":"vec_seg_98457_158","created_at":"2026-10-31T05:58:20Z","speaker_name":"Commissioner Mullins"},{"id":"seg_98457_159","meeting_id":"98457","media_asset_id":"med_98457_dc160cd245fcb944","agenda_item_id":null,"speaker_id":"spk_98457_commissioner_brinkley","speaker_confidence":0.9,"start_sec":1458.43,"end_sec":1472.28,"text":"Uh Commissioner Mullins, I just wanted to add help.org. If a person goes to help.org, they can go there and search for food pantries, food, uh feeding places, and it'll generate a list as long as you put in a zip code, and housing, uh anything that you can think of, this website will provide the information for.","topics_json":"[\"homelessness\",\"housing\"]","vector_id":"vec_seg_98457_159","created_at":"2026-10-31T05:58:20Z","speaker_name":"Commissioner Brinkley"},{"id":"seg_98457_16","meeting_id":"98457","media_asset_id":"med_98457_dc160cd245fcb944","agenda_item_id":null,"speaker_id":"off_roy_sudler_jr","speaker_confidence":0.95,"start_sec":88.73,"end_sec":93.33,"text":"Good evening. Would you like to address the uh podium and-","topics_json":"[]","vector_id":"vec_seg_98457_16","created_at":"2026-10-31T05:58:20Z","speaker_name":"Roy Sudler, Jr."},{"id":"seg_98457_160","meeting_id":"98457","media_asset_id":"med_98457_dc160cd245fcb944","agenda_item_id":null,"speaker_id":"spk_98457_commissioner_white","speaker_confidence":0.8,"start_sec":1472.72,"end_sec":1473.52,"text":"Okay, thank you.","topics_json":"[]","vector_id":"vec_seg_98457_160","created_at":"2026-10-31T05:58:20Z","speaker_name":"Commissioner White"},{"id":"seg_98457_161","meeting_id":"98457","media_asset_id":"med_98457_dc160cd245fcb944","agenda_item_id":null,"speaker_id":"spk_98457_commissioner_mullins","speaker_confidence":0.9,"start_sec":1473.77,"end_sec":1500.98,"text":"That's what I'm talking about. Collaboration.","topics_json":"[]","vector_id":"vec_seg_98457_161","created_at":"2026-10-31T05:58:20Z","speaker_name":"Commissioner Mullins"},{"id":"seg_98457_162","meeting_id":"98457","media_asset_id":"med_98457_dc160cd245fcb944","agenda_item_id":null,"speaker_id":"spk_98457_commissioner_white","speaker_confidence":0.9,"start_sec":1501.48,"end_sec":1504.39,"text":"Can I... Can I just ask a question, I hope it's not out of order.","topics_json":"[]","vector_id":"vec_seg_98457_162","created_at":"2026-10-31T05:58:20Z","speaker_name":"Commissioner White"},{"id":"seg_98457_163","meeting_id":"98457","media_asset_id":"med_98457_dc160cd245fcb944","agenda_item_id":null,"speaker_id":"spk_98457_commissioner_mullins","speaker_confidence":0.9,"start_sec":1504.58,"end_sec":1505.02,"text":"All right.","topics_json":"[]","vector_id":"vec_seg_98457_163","created_at":"2026-10-31T05:58:20Z","speaker_name":"Commissioner Mullins"},{"id":"seg_98457_164","meeting_id":"98457","media_asset_id":"med_98457_dc160cd245fcb944","agenda_item_id":null,"speaker_id":"spk_98457_commissioner_white","speaker_confidence":0.9,"start_sec":1505.2,"end_sec":1514.02,"text":"With all the uh churches and the uh nonprofits that's in the geographic area downtown here, um can...","topics_json":"[]","vector_id":"vec_seg_98457_164","created_at":"2026-10-31T05:58:20Z","speaker_name":"Commissioner White"},{"id":"seg_98457_165","meeting_id":"98457","media_asset_id":"med_98457_dc160cd245fcb944","agenda_item_id":null,"speaker_id":"spk_98457_commissioner_mullins","speaker_confidence":0.9,"start_sec":1515.26,"end_sec":1520.54,"text":"Would you want a list of everything that's downtown here in this area? A list of those places down in in this area?","topics_json":"[]","vector_id":"vec_seg_98457_165","created_at":"2026-10-31T05:58:20Z","speaker_name":"Commissioner Mullins"},{"id":"seg_98457_166","meeting_id":"98457","media_asset_id":"med_98457_dc160cd245fcb944","agenda_item_id":null,"speaker_id":"spk_98457_commissioner_white","speaker_confidence":0.9,"start_sec":1520.86,"end_sec":1534.83,"text":"No, and I think it's in um Anderson's district and your and uh Sudler's. Um, you see it appears to be more of organizations in that in those geograph- in that area, and um what about the ones that spread across 13, like on the side where Commissioner Frawley and I live?","topics_json":"[]","vector_id":"vec_seg_98457_166","created_at":"2026-10-31T05:58:20Z","speaker_name":"Commissioner White"},{"id":"seg_98457_167","meeting_id":"98457","media_asset_id":"med_98457_dc160cd245fcb944","agenda_item_id":null,"speaker_id":"spk_98457_commissioner_mullins","speaker_confidence":0.9,"start_sec":1535.14,"end_sec":1537.32,"text":"So, I believe you're in District 2.","topics_json":"[]","vector_id":"vec_seg_98457_167","created_at":"2026-10-31T05:58:20Z","speaker_name":"Commissioner Mullins"},{"id":"seg_98457_168","meeting_id":"98457","media_asset_id":"med_98457_dc160cd245fcb944","agenda_item_id":null,"speaker_id":"spk_98457_commissioner_white","speaker_confidence":0.9,"start_sec":1562.47,"end_sec":1566.94,"text":"Um In District 2. And I think that's Coun- Council President Neil is over there also, if I'm not mistaken.","topics_json":"[]","vector_id":"vec_seg_98457_168","created_at":"2026-10-31T05:58:20Z","speaker_name":"Commissioner White"},{"id":"seg_98457_169","meeting_id":"98457","media_asset_id":"med_98457_dc160cd245fcb944","agenda_item_id":null,"speaker_id":"spk_98457_commissioner_mullins","speaker_confidence":0.9,"start_sec":1567.44,"end_sec":1568.99,"text":"I think Council President is District 3.","topics_json":"[]","vector_id":"vec_seg_98457_169","created_at":"2026-10-31T05:58:20Z","speaker_name":"Commissioner Mullins"},{"id":"seg_98457_17","meeting_id":"98457","media_asset_id":"med_98457_dc160cd245fcb944","agenda_item_id":null,"speaker_id":"spk_98457_reginald_daniel","speaker_confidence":0.8,"start_sec":93.33,"end_sec":94.2,"text":"Yes, please.","topics_json":"[]","vector_id":"vec_seg_98457_17","created_at":"2026-10-31T05:58:20Z","speaker_name":"Reginald Daniel"},{"id":"seg_98457_170","meeting_id":"98457","media_asset_id":"med_98457_dc160cd245fcb944","agenda_item_id":null,"speaker_id":"spk_98457_commissioner_brinkley","speaker_confidence":0.9,"start_sec":1569.3,"end_sec":1569.92,"text":"He is.","topics_json":"[]","vector_id":"vec_seg_98457_170","created_at":"2026-10-31T05:58:20Z","speaker_name":"Commissioner Brinkley"},{"id":"seg_98457_171","meeting_id":"98457","media_asset_id":"med_98457_dc160cd245fcb944","agenda_item_id":null,"speaker_id":"spk_98457_commissioner_white","speaker_confidence":0.9,"start_sec":1570.05,"end_sec":1571.17,"text":"In three?","topics_json":"[]","vector_id":"vec_seg_98457_171","created_at":"2026-10-31T05:58:20Z","speaker_name":"Commissioner White"},{"id":"seg_98457_172","meeting_id":"98457","media_asset_id":"med_98457_dc160cd245fcb944","agenda_item_id":null,"speaker_id":"spk_98457_commissioner_mullins","speaker_confidence":0.9,"start_sec":1570.55,"end_sec":1571.79,"text":"Yes, he's District 3.","topics_json":"[]","vector_id":"vec_seg_98457_172","created_at":"2026-10-31T05:58:20Z","speaker_name":"Commissioner Mullins"},{"id":"seg_98457_173","meeting_id":"98457","media_asset_id":"med_98457_dc160cd245fcb944","agenda_item_id":null,"speaker_id":"spk_98457_commissioner_white","speaker_confidence":0.9,"start_sec":1571.48,"end_sec":1572.1,"text":"District 3.","topics_json":"[]","vector_id":"vec_seg_98457_173","created_at":"2026-10-31T05:58:20Z","speaker_name":"Commissioner White"},{"id":"seg_98457_174","meeting_id":"98457","media_asset_id":"med_98457_dc160cd245fcb944","agenda_item_id":null,"speaker_id":"spk_98457_commissioner_mullins","speaker_confidence":0.9,"start_sec":1572.1,"end_sec":1572.72,"text":"Mhm.","topics_json":"[]","vector_id":"vec_seg_98457_174","created_at":"2026-10-31T05:58:20Z","speaker_name":"Commissioner Mullins"},{"id":"seg_98457_175","meeting_id":"98457","media_asset_id":"med_98457_dc160cd245fcb944","agenda_item_id":null,"speaker_id":"off_roy_sudler_jr","speaker_confidence":0.95,"start_sec":1572.72,"end_sec":1601.24,"text":"Whatever those areas that I understand the areas that you are talking about. Um We'll we'll just scour the We'll look at the the the map the the areas, and you know, whoever district those agencies belong to, you know. I'm sure we can come up with some type of communication plan to reach out to them in whichever way we need to.","topics_json":"[]","vector_id":"vec_seg_98457_175","created_at":"2026-10-31T05:58:20Z","speaker_name":"Roy Sudler, Jr."},{"id":"seg_98457_176","meeting_id":"98457","media_asset_id":"med_98457_dc160cd245fcb944","agenda_item_id":null,"speaker_id":"spk_98457_female_speaker","speaker_confidence":0.8,"start_sec":1601.24,"end_sec":1602.92,"text":"Chair?","topics_json":"[]","vector_id":"vec_seg_98457_176","created_at":"2026-10-31T05:58:20Z","speaker_name":null},{"id":"seg_98457_177","meeting_id":"98457","media_asset_id":"med_98457_dc160cd245fcb944","agenda_item_id":null,"speaker_id":"off_roy_sudler_jr","speaker_confidence":0.95,"start_sec":1602.92,"end_sec":1603.74,"text":"Yeah.","topics_json":"[]","vector_id":"vec_seg_98457_177","created_at":"2026-10-31T05:58:20Z","speaker_name":"Roy Sudler, Jr."},{"id":"seg_98457_178","meeting_id":"98457","media_asset_id":"med_98457_dc160cd245fcb944","agenda_item_id":null,"speaker_id":"spk_98457_female_speaker","speaker_confidence":0.8,"start_sec":1603.74,"end_sec":1605.2,"text":"Commissioner Sudler.","topics_json":"[]","vector_id":"vec_seg_98457_178","created_at":"2026-10-31T05:58:20Z","speaker_name":null},{"id":"seg_98457_179","meeting_id":"98457","media_asset_id":"med_98457_dc160cd245fcb944","agenda_item_id":null,"speaker_id":"off_roy_sudler_jr","speaker_confidence":0.95,"start_sec":1605.2,"end_sec":1606.11,"text":"Yes.","topics_json":"[]","vector_id":"vec_seg_98457_179","created_at":"2026-10-31T05:58:20Z","speaker_name":"Roy Sudler, Jr."},{"id":"seg_98457_18","meeting_id":"98457","media_asset_id":"med_98457_dc160cd245fcb944","agenda_item_id":null,"speaker_id":"off_roy_sudler_jr","speaker_confidence":0.95,"start_sec":94.63,"end_sec":127.98,"text":"Sure. So, our first 10 minutes we dedicate that to um our public comments. All you need to do is come, just state your name and um your business.","topics_json":"[]","vector_id":"vec_seg_98457_18","created_at":"2026-10-31T05:58:20Z","speaker_name":"Roy Sudler, Jr."},{"id":"seg_98457_180","meeting_id":"98457","media_asset_id":"med_98457_dc160cd245fcb944","agenda_item_id":null,"speaker_id":"spk_98457_female_speaker","speaker_confidence":0.8,"start_sec":1606.11,"end_sec":1613.55,"text":"So for the record, I want to correct that address. It's findhelp.org, F-I-N-D help.org.","topics_json":"[]","vector_id":"vec_seg_98457_180","created_at":"2026-10-31T05:58:20Z","speaker_name":null},{"id":"seg_98457_181","meeting_id":"98457","media_asset_id":"med_98457_dc160cd245fcb944","agenda_item_id":null,"speaker_id":"off_roy_sudler_jr","speaker_confidence":0.95,"start_sec":1613.55,"end_sec":1625.61,"text":"Thank you for that correction. Please let the record reflect that correction. findhelp .org.","topics_json":"[]","vector_id":"vec_seg_98457_181","created_at":"2026-10-31T05:58:20Z","speaker_name":"Roy Sudler, Jr."},{"id":"seg_98457_182","meeting_id":"98457","media_asset_id":"med_98457_dc160cd245fcb944","agenda_item_id":null,"speaker_id":"spk_98457_female_speaker","speaker_confidence":0.8,"start_sec":1625.61,"end_sec":1628.15,"text":"Gotta make sure we get it right, right?","topics_json":"[]","vector_id":"vec_seg_98457_182","created_at":"2026-10-31T05:58:20Z","speaker_name":null},{"id":"seg_98457_183","meeting_id":"98457","media_asset_id":"med_98457_dc160cd245fcb944","agenda_item_id":null,"speaker_id":"off_roy_sudler_jr","speaker_confidence":0.95,"start_sec":1628.15,"end_sec":1677.62,"text":"Hey, we are live. People could be hitting that enter button right now. \"She gave me some fake address!\"","topics_json":"[]","vector_id":"vec_seg_98457_183","created_at":"2026-10-31T05:58:20Z","speaker_name":"Roy Sudler, Jr."},{"id":"seg_98457_184","meeting_id":"98457","media_asset_id":"med_98457_dc160cd245fcb944","agenda_item_id":null,"speaker_id":"spk_98457_female_speaker","speaker_confidence":0.8,"start_sec":1677.62,"end_sec":1681.4,"text":"drug rehab, uh, things. So you never know it's another service, right?","topics_json":"[]","vector_id":"vec_seg_98457_184","created_at":"2026-10-31T05:58:20Z","speaker_name":null},{"id":"seg_98457_185","meeting_id":"98457","media_asset_id":"med_98457_dc160cd245fcb944","agenda_item_id":null,"speaker_id":"off_roy_sudler_jr","speaker_confidence":0.95,"start_sec":1681.4,"end_sec":1685.7,"text":"Yeah. Oh, okay. Yeah.","topics_json":"[]","vector_id":"vec_seg_98457_185","created_at":"2026-10-31T05:58:20Z","speaker_name":"Roy Sudler, Jr."},{"id":"seg_98457_186","meeting_id":"98457","media_asset_id":"med_98457_dc160cd245fcb944","agenda_item_id":null,"speaker_id":"off_roy_sudler_jr","speaker_confidence":0.95,"start_sec":1685.7,"end_sec":1769.31,"text":"All right, so, uh, also I wanted to let you know that, uh, every month I've started to get an invitation from lieutenant governor's office, Lieutenant Governor Hall-Long's office, uh, regarding the Black Leaders of Affairs group. And, um, I do go in the capacity of the Human Relations Commissioner. So I just wanted to let you all know that. Um, so if somebody says something to you, you already know that it's a possibility that I am attending those particular meetings. And they happen every, um I think it's every second Thursday, but the last one was on the 5th. So it might be every every first Thursday. But it was on the 5th. So it was at 12:00, and they only had it for an hour. Um, and it's it's minority leaders from the state, statewide. Um, and they start talking about, uh, particular issues, um, regarding not just the minority community, but, uh, Delaware as a whole. Um, and and how, um, you know, send support, just like we're talking about support now for our populations. You know, they we talk about, uh, Delaware as a whole and and how we, you know, fine-tuning to get better relations and people being able to communicate with each other as and be able to support each other. So, um, they always want ideas, um, in the governor's office and lieutenant governor's office. And that's a particular group that, um, they asked me to be a part of with them. Just wanted to let you all know. Okay? Um, again we will, um I am looking at the time so we do still want to have some time, uh, a little bit to hear from some of the folks, um, in our audience. Okay. Uh, also, um, I","topics_json":"[]","vector_id":"vec_seg_98457_186","created_at":"2026-10-31T05:58:20Z","speaker_name":"Roy Sudler, Jr."},{"id":"seg_98457_187","meeting_id":"98457","media_asset_id":"med_98457_dc160cd245fcb944","agenda_item_id":null,"speaker_id":"spk_98457_commissioner","speaker_confidence":0.9,"start_sec":1769.31,"end_sec":1799.11,"text":"I have attended, uh, the opioid task force, uh, meeting, uh, committee. They had a couple of, uh, meetings going on. Of course, uh, in, you know, uh, Councilman Sudler chairs that that particular committee. Um, I've only made a couple of appearances just to talk about some of the, um, suggestions with youth, you know. 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And if we can, you know, and","topics_json":"[\"public_safety\"]","vector_id":"vec_seg_98457_189","created_at":"2026-10-31T05:58:20Z","speaker_name":null},{"id":"seg_98457_19","meeting_id":"98457","media_asset_id":"med_98457_dc160cd245fcb944","agenda_item_id":null,"speaker_id":"spk_98457_reginald_daniel","speaker_confidence":0.95,"start_sec":127.98,"end_sec":156.35,"text":"Uh hello. My name is Reginald Daniel and I am one of the two community engagement specialists at uh NeighborGood Partners Restoring Central Dover program. Uh while I am not a resident of Dover, I have gotten my education here and I continued to invest in the community uh through my efforts when it comes to civic engagement uh and community revitalization. Uh this is my first meeting with the Human Relations Commission, but I intend to be a regular attendee, gaining as much information as I can, and hopefully being able to pour as much into this committee with the resources that I have, as you all with your information and your dedication to continue to help our residents. Thank you very much.","topics_json":"[\"housing\"]","vector_id":"vec_seg_98457_19","created_at":"2026-10-31T05:58:20Z","speaker_name":"Reginald Daniel"},{"id":"seg_98457_190","meeting_id":"98457","media_asset_id":"med_98457_dc160cd245fcb944","agenda_item_id":null,"speaker_id":"spk_98457_commissioner","speaker_confidence":0.9,"start_sec":1852.51,"end_sec":1873.51,"text":"and we can have each more angles being combatted, so it will be okay. But, um, I did speak a little bit more on the youth side because I work a lot with, uh, foster care and and that system there. Okay? Just a little update. 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Commissioner Brinkley um passed out um a copy of our bylaws. Uh Commissioner Brinkley, did you want to make a comment?","topics_json":"[]","vector_id":"vec_seg_98457_197","created_at":"2026-10-31T05:58:20Z","speaker_name":null},{"id":"seg_98457_198","meeting_id":"98457","media_asset_id":"med_98457_dc160cd245fcb944","agenda_item_id":null,"speaker_id":"spk_98457_commissioner_brinkley","speaker_confidence":0.95,"start_sec":1991.39,"end_sec":2052.08,"text":"I do. So, I went over the bylaws uh today in detail. Um everyone has a copy. I do think that they need to be updated. The last time they were amended was in 2004. Um I think it needs to be a little bit more user-friendly. It needs to be broken down a little bit more. They use the word \"rule\" in there, and we don't rule on things within the commission. Um things like finance uh committee should be added to the bylaws. Um I think it's I think that the committee should meet in order to update them or make some type of amendments to the bylaws.","topics_json":"[]","vector_id":"vec_seg_98457_198","created_at":"2026-10-31T05:58:20Z","speaker_name":"Commissioner Brinkley"},{"id":"seg_98457_199","meeting_id":"98457","media_asset_id":"med_98457_dc160cd245fcb944","agenda_item_id":null,"speaker_id":"spk_98457_chair","speaker_confidence":0.9,"start_sec":2052.71,"end_sec":2058.91,"text":"Do you have a recommendation as far as um the time that you would like for us to come with our uh suggestions?","topics_json":"[]","vector_id":"vec_seg_98457_199","created_at":"2026-10-31T05:58:20Z","speaker_name":null},{"id":"seg_98457_2","meeting_id":"98457","media_asset_id":"med_98457_dc160cd245fcb944","agenda_item_id":null,"speaker_id":"spk_98457_audience_member","speaker_confidence":0.8,"start_sec":1.49,"end_sec":1.92,"text":"Good evening.","topics_json":"[]","vector_id":"vec_seg_98457_2","created_at":"2026-10-31T05:58:20Z","speaker_name":null},{"id":"seg_98457_20","meeting_id":"98457","media_asset_id":"med_98457_dc160cd245fcb944","agenda_item_id":null,"speaker_id":"off_roy_sudler_jr","speaker_confidence":0.95,"start_sec":156.97,"end_sec":191.37,"text":"Thank you, Mr. Daniels. Um we usually do not uh respond to public comments, but uh Mr. Daniels, if you don't mind, if you'd come back, I have a question for you. Um I did hear you mention that you were from Neighbor Good Partners. And we we've met before.","topics_json":"[]","vector_id":"vec_seg_98457_20","created_at":"2026-10-31T05:58:20Z","speaker_name":"Roy Sudler, Jr."},{"id":"seg_98457_200","meeting_id":"98457","media_asset_id":"med_98457_dc160cd245fcb944","agenda_item_id":null,"speaker_id":"spk_98457_commissioner_brinkley","speaker_confidence":0.95,"start_sec":2060.38,"end_sec":2128.02,"text":"I can make a motion. I move to make a request that the bylaws committee meet before our next meeting just to make some amendments to the bylaws. It's not many, but just to entertain, you know, in 2004, it's a long time. I mean there's accessibility things that should be incorporated in the bylaws that has not been. Um and giving the community a clear understanding of what the Human Relations Commission does uh would be helpful as well and incorporating that in the bylaws because we don't make final decisions. We don't make rule, you know. We are an advisory committee and having things in there to better guide them um in my opinion would be helpful.","topics_json":"[]","vector_id":"vec_seg_98457_200","created_at":"2026-10-31T05:58:20Z","speaker_name":"Commissioner Brinkley"},{"id":"seg_98457_201","meeting_id":"98457","media_asset_id":"med_98457_dc160cd245fcb944","agenda_item_id":null,"speaker_id":"spk_98457_chair","speaker_confidence":0.9,"start_sec":2128.77,"end_sec":2149.09,"text":"I don't think we have to um do any voting on uh deciding on when we need to actually get together outside of the um outside of our normal meeting. Um it's a it's three of us, Miss White. So, um today is the 18th which is a Wednesday. 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Check your calendar real quickly, please.","topics_json":"[]","vector_id":"vec_seg_98457_203","created_at":"2026-10-31T05:58:20Z","speaker_name":null},{"id":"seg_98457_204","meeting_id":"98457","media_asset_id":"med_98457_dc160cd245fcb944","agenda_item_id":null,"speaker_id":"spk_98457_commissioner_brinkley","speaker_confidence":0.95,"start_sec":2159.11,"end_sec":2162.49,"text":"I'm good on that day. What time are you suggesting, 6:00 p.m.?","topics_json":"[]","vector_id":"vec_seg_98457_204","created_at":"2026-10-31T05:58:20Z","speaker_name":"Commissioner Brinkley"},{"id":"seg_98457_205","meeting_id":"98457","media_asset_id":"med_98457_dc160cd245fcb944","agenda_item_id":null,"speaker_id":"spk_98457_crystal_taylor","speaker_confidence":0.9,"start_sec":2162.49,"end_sec":2165.29,"text":"You want to meet via Zoom or do you want to meet...","topics_json":"[]","vector_id":"vec_seg_98457_205","created_at":"2026-10-31T05:58:20Z","speaker_name":"Crystal Taylor"},{"id":"seg_98457_206","meeting_id":"98457","media_asset_id":"med_98457_dc160cd245fcb944","agenda_item_id":null,"speaker_id":"spk_98457_chair","speaker_confidence":0.9,"start_sec":2165.99,"end_sec":2167.39,"text":"Library.","topics_json":"[]","vector_id":"vec_seg_98457_206","created_at":"2026-10-31T05:58:20Z","speaker_name":null},{"id":"seg_98457_207","meeting_id":"98457","media_asset_id":"med_98457_dc160cd245fcb944","agenda_item_id":null,"speaker_id":"spk_98457_crystal_taylor","speaker_confidence":0.9,"start_sec":2167.49,"end_sec":2169.59,"text":"Okay. 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How much of a deficit is the organization in, do you know?","topics_json":"[\"budget\"]","vector_id":"vec_seg_98457_297","created_at":"2026-10-31T05:58:21Z","speaker_name":"Gerald L. Rocha, Sr."},{"id":"seg_98457_298","meeting_id":"98457","media_asset_id":"med_98457_dc160cd245fcb944","agenda_item_id":null,"speaker_id":"spk_98457_female_commissioner","speaker_confidence":0.85,"start_sec":2590.27,"end_sec":2610.07,"text":"Their request in the press release is $50,000 that they're requesting. They've put in grants, but unfortunately there's a lot of competition for not-for-profits when it comes to grants and receiving grants. 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Um it is 6:48 and I did want to leave a little bit of time um for um uh some of the members of the public who found themselves coming in after the 10-minute uh public comment and they were raising their hand. Um so I did want to recognize you and give you the floor, some opportunity to bring some announcements or make some comments um that would be good for you at this time. If you do come, please make sure you state your name.","topics_json":"[]","vector_id":"vec_seg_98457_306","created_at":"2026-10-31T05:58:21Z","speaker_name":"Alan Gadson"},{"id":"seg_98457_307","meeting_id":"98457","media_asset_id":"med_98457_dc160cd245fcb944","agenda_item_id":null,"speaker_id":"spk_98457_bobby_wilson","speaker_confidence":0.95,"start_sec":2672.17,"end_sec":2710.67,"text":"Good evening. My name is Bobby Wilson, from Building Institute Career Academy. And I come before you today to let you know about a community cleanup that we're having next Saturday. Uh we're cleaning streets of downtown Dover, mainly Loockerman Street, and we're going to um bear off to some of the side streets: uh Queen Street, New Street, Governors Avenue. Uh we're going, we just asking all the community to show up. It's February 28th. You'll be getting emails um with all the other times to show up and that sort of thing. Uh I think we're showing up, I think 10:00 in the morning and we're going to 4:00. Uh we're going to have food, and we're going to have trash cans, trash bags, rakes, and we're going to clean the community. 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Um do you all need trash bags, gloves, anything like that?","topics_json":"[]","vector_id":"vec_seg_98457_311","created_at":"2026-10-31T05:58:21Z","speaker_name":null},{"id":"seg_98457_312","meeting_id":"98457","media_asset_id":"med_98457_dc160cd245fcb944","agenda_item_id":null,"speaker_id":"spk_98457_bobby_wilson","speaker_confidence":0.95,"start_sec":2723.77,"end_sec":2724.37,"text":"Yes.","topics_json":"[]","vector_id":"vec_seg_98457_312","created_at":"2026-10-31T05:58:21Z","speaker_name":"Bobby Wilson"},{"id":"seg_98457_313","meeting_id":"98457","media_asset_id":"med_98457_dc160cd245fcb944","agenda_item_id":null,"speaker_id":"spk_98457_audience_member","speaker_confidence":0.8,"start_sec":2724.37,"end_sec":2731.37,"text":"Our organization, Restoring Our Nation, partners with Dover Partners for trash bags.","topics_json":"[]","vector_id":"vec_seg_98457_313","created_at":"2026-10-31T05:58:21Z","speaker_name":null},{"id":"seg_98457_314","meeting_id":"98457","media_asset_id":"med_98457_dc160cd245fcb944","agenda_item_id":null,"speaker_id":"spk_98457_alan_gadson","speaker_confidence":0.9,"start_sec":2731.37,"end_sec":2732.27,"text":"Excuse me, ma'am.","topics_json":"[]","vector_id":"vec_seg_98457_314","created_at":"2026-10-31T05:58:21Z","speaker_name":"Alan Gadson"},{"id":"seg_98457_315","meeting_id":"98457","media_asset_id":"med_98457_dc160cd245fcb944","agenda_item_id":null,"speaker_id":"spk_98457_unknown_male_speaker","speaker_confidence":0.8,"start_sec":2752.26,"end_sec":2758.16,"text":"Um we we hear you a little bit, we would like to hear you a lot.","topics_json":"[]","vector_id":"vec_seg_98457_315","created_at":"2026-10-31T05:58:21Z","speaker_name":null},{"id":"seg_98457_316","meeting_id":"98457","media_asset_id":"med_98457_dc160cd245fcb944","agenda_item_id":null,"speaker_id":"spk_98457_bobby_wilson","speaker_confidence":0.9,"start_sec":2758.56,"end_sec":2760.36,"text":"She have no problem with that.","topics_json":"[]","vector_id":"vec_seg_98457_316","created_at":"2026-10-31T05:58:21Z","speaker_name":"Bobby Wilson"},{"id":"seg_98457_317","meeting_id":"98457","media_asset_id":"med_98457_dc160cd245fcb944","agenda_item_id":null,"speaker_id":"spk_98457_nika_taylor","speaker_confidence":0.95,"start_sec":2762.26,"end_sec":2763.46,"text":"Thank you.","topics_json":"[]","vector_id":"vec_seg_98457_317","created_at":"2026-10-31T05:58:21Z","speaker_name":"Nika Taylor"},{"id":"seg_98457_318","meeting_id":"98457","media_asset_id":"med_98457_dc160cd245fcb944","agenda_item_id":null,"speaker_id":"spk_98457_unknown_male_speaker","speaker_confidence":0.8,"start_sec":2765.76,"end_sec":2766.96,"text":"It's all right.","topics_json":"[]","vector_id":"vec_seg_98457_318","created_at":"2026-10-31T05:58:21Z","speaker_name":null},{"id":"seg_98457_319","meeting_id":"98457","media_asset_id":"med_98457_dc160cd245fcb944","agenda_item_id":null,"speaker_id":"spk_98457_bobby_wilson","speaker_confidence":0.85,"start_sec":2766.96,"end_sec":2767.66,"text":"Great.","topics_json":"[]","vector_id":"vec_seg_98457_319","created_at":"2026-10-31T05:58:21Z","speaker_name":"Bobby Wilson"},{"id":"seg_98457_32","meeting_id":"98457","media_asset_id":"med_98457_dc160cd245fcb944","agenda_item_id":null,"speaker_id":"spk_98457_chair","speaker_confidence":0.9,"start_sec":287.96,"end_sec":292.95,"text":"Um I would accept a a motion to accept the agenda.","topics_json":"[]","vector_id":"vec_seg_98457_32","created_at":"2026-10-31T05:58:20Z","speaker_name":null},{"id":"seg_98457_320","meeting_id":"98457","media_asset_id":"med_98457_dc160cd245fcb944","agenda_item_id":null,"speaker_id":"spk_98457_nika_taylor","speaker_confidence":0.95,"start_sec":2768.76,"end_sec":2792.06,"text":"Hello, my name is Nika. I'm with Restoring Central Dover. Um I was just letting Bobby know if he did need any type of trash bags, anything that helped with the cleanup, such as trash bags, gloves, um we have the little pickers. So we, you know, and that's what we do, too, when spring and stuff hits, but I can provide you with those things.","topics_json":"[]","vector_id":"vec_seg_98457_320","created_at":"2026-10-31T05:58:21Z","speaker_name":"Nika Taylor"},{"id":"seg_98457_321","meeting_id":"98457","media_asset_id":"med_98457_dc160cd245fcb944","agenda_item_id":null,"speaker_id":"spk_98457_bobby_wilson","speaker_confidence":0.95,"start_sec":2789.36,"end_sec":2793.96,"text":"Great, great. Great, great. I'd be glad You have my number and everything?","topics_json":"[]","vector_id":"vec_seg_98457_321","created_at":"2026-10-31T05:58:21Z","speaker_name":"Bobby Wilson"},{"id":"seg_98457_322","meeting_id":"98457","media_asset_id":"med_98457_dc160cd245fcb944","agenda_item_id":null,"speaker_id":"spk_98457_nika_taylor","speaker_confidence":0.95,"start_sec":2794.06,"end_sec":2797.16,"text":"Um no, but I'll get it. Thank you guys.","topics_json":"[]","vector_id":"vec_seg_98457_322","created_at":"2026-10-31T05:58:21Z","speaker_name":"Nika Taylor"},{"id":"seg_98457_323","meeting_id":"98457","media_asset_id":"med_98457_dc160cd245fcb944","agenda_item_id":null,"speaker_id":"spk_98457_unknown_male_speaker","speaker_confidence":0.8,"start_sec":2797.16,"end_sec":2802.36,"text":"Also, um Mr. Wilson, uh and I believe, Nika? You do have a last name, right?","topics_json":"[]","vector_id":"vec_seg_98457_323","created_at":"2026-10-31T05:58:21Z","speaker_name":null},{"id":"seg_98457_324","meeting_id":"98457","media_asset_id":"med_98457_dc160cd245fcb944","agenda_item_id":null,"speaker_id":"spk_98457_nika_taylor","speaker_confidence":0.95,"start_sec":2801.56,"end_sec":2805.06,"text":"Yes. Nika Taylor.","topics_json":"[]","vector_id":"vec_seg_98457_324","created_at":"2026-10-31T05:58:21Z","speaker_name":"Nika Taylor"},{"id":"seg_98457_325","meeting_id":"98457","media_asset_id":"med_98457_dc160cd245fcb944","agenda_item_id":null,"speaker_id":"spk_98457_unknown_male_speaker","speaker_confidence":0.85,"start_sec":2805.26,"end_sec":2885.06,"text":"Thank you. Let the record reflect it's Nika Taylor. Ms. Taylor, um thank you for you and and Mr. Daniels coming out this evening to uh let us know of the support that you do lend. Uh it'd be great cause I did have a conversation uh with Mr. Wilson along with some other constituents in the fourth district uh regarding this particular activity and um I'm still waiting for a communication uh so that we can get some volunteers uh involved. Uh I see you nodding your head, Mr. Wilson, but I'm waiting on that communication. Thank you, sir.","topics_json":"[]","vector_id":"vec_seg_98457_325","created_at":"2026-10-31T05:58:21Z","speaker_name":null},{"id":"seg_98457_326","meeting_id":"98457","media_asset_id":"med_98457_dc160cd245fcb944","agenda_item_id":null,"speaker_id":"spk_98457_bobby_wilson","speaker_confidence":0.95,"start_sec":2885.26,"end_sec":2889.26,"text":"You will receive it. I I text Mrs. today.","topics_json":"[]","vector_id":"vec_seg_98457_326","created_at":"2026-10-31T05:58:21Z","speaker_name":"Bobby Wilson"},{"id":"seg_98457_327","meeting_id":"98457","media_asset_id":"med_98457_dc160cd245fcb944","agenda_item_id":null,"speaker_id":"spk_98457_unknown_male_speaker","speaker_confidence":0.8,"start_sec":2889.26,"end_sec":2890.16,"text":"Okay.","topics_json":"[]","vector_id":"vec_seg_98457_327","created_at":"2026-10-31T05:58:21Z","speaker_name":null},{"id":"seg_98457_328","meeting_id":"98457","media_asset_id":"med_98457_dc160cd245fcb944","agenda_item_id":null,"speaker_id":"spk_98457_bobby_wilson","speaker_confidence":0.95,"start_sec":2890.16,"end_sec":2893.76,"text":"And um you will be getting everything in the morning.","topics_json":"[]","vector_id":"vec_seg_98457_328","created_at":"2026-10-31T05:58:21Z","speaker_name":"Bobby Wilson"},{"id":"seg_98457_329","meeting_id":"98457","media_asset_id":"med_98457_dc160cd245fcb944","agenda_item_id":null,"speaker_id":"spk_98457_unknown_male_speaker","speaker_confidence":0.8,"start_sec":2894.26,"end_sec":2895.36,"text":"Thank you, sir.","topics_json":"[]","vector_id":"vec_seg_98457_329","created_at":"2026-10-31T05:58:21Z","speaker_name":null},{"id":"seg_98457_33","meeting_id":"98457","media_asset_id":"med_98457_dc160cd245fcb944","agenda_item_id":null,"speaker_id":"spk_98457_commissioner","speaker_confidence":0.8,"start_sec":292.95,"end_sec":296.51,"text":"I make the motion that we accept the agenda as print.","topics_json":"[]","vector_id":"vec_seg_98457_33","created_at":"2026-10-31T05:58:20Z","speaker_name":null},{"id":"seg_98457_330","meeting_id":"98457","media_asset_id":"med_98457_dc160cd245fcb944","agenda_item_id":null,"speaker_id":"spk_98457_bobby_wilson","speaker_confidence":0.9,"start_sec":2895.36,"end_sec":2897.66,"text":"Everything. What? Oh, sorry.","topics_json":"[]","vector_id":"vec_seg_98457_330","created_at":"2026-10-31T05:58:21Z","speaker_name":"Bobby Wilson"},{"id":"seg_98457_331","meeting_id":"98457","media_asset_id":"med_98457_dc160cd245fcb944","agenda_item_id":null,"speaker_id":"spk_98457_unknown_male_speaker","speaker_confidence":0.8,"start_sec":2898.06,"end_sec":2899.46,"text":"Commissioner Brenchley?","topics_json":"[]","vector_id":"vec_seg_98457_331","created_at":"2026-10-31T05:58:21Z","speaker_name":null},{"id":"seg_98457_332","meeting_id":"98457","media_asset_id":"med_98457_dc160cd245fcb944","agenda_item_id":null,"speaker_id":"spk_98457_commissioner_brenchley","speaker_confidence":0.9,"start_sec":2899.66,"end_sec":2908.06,"text":"One question, do you have a flyer for this event? If so, can it go to the city clerk's office so it can be distributed and placed on their social media and things like that?","topics_json":"[]","vector_id":"vec_seg_98457_332","created_at":"2026-10-31T05:58:21Z","speaker_name":null},{"id":"seg_98457_333","meeting_id":"98457","media_asset_id":"med_98457_dc160cd245fcb944","agenda_item_id":null,"speaker_id":"spk_98457_bobby_wilson","speaker_confidence":0.95,"start_sec":2908.26,"end_sec":2912.26,"text":"Yes, the flyer the the city clerk's office will have it in the morning.","topics_json":"[]","vector_id":"vec_seg_98457_333","created_at":"2026-10-31T05:58:21Z","speaker_name":"Bobby Wilson"},{"id":"seg_98457_334","meeting_id":"98457","media_asset_id":"med_98457_dc160cd245fcb944","agenda_item_id":null,"speaker_id":"spk_98457_commissioner_brenchley","speaker_confidence":0.9,"start_sec":2912.16,"end_sec":2912.96,"text":"Thank you.","topics_json":"[]","vector_id":"vec_seg_98457_334","created_at":"2026-10-31T05:58:21Z","speaker_name":null},{"id":"seg_98457_335","meeting_id":"98457","media_asset_id":"med_98457_dc160cd245fcb944","agenda_item_id":null,"speaker_id":"spk_98457_unknown_male_speaker","speaker_confidence":0.8,"start_sec":2912.96,"end_sec":2915.16,"text":"You do know um Ms. Crystal will","topics_json":"[]","vector_id":"vec_seg_98457_335","created_at":"2026-10-31T05:58:21Z","speaker_name":null},{"id":"seg_98457_336","meeting_id":"98457","media_asset_id":"med_98457_dc160cd245fcb944","agenda_item_id":null,"speaker_id":"spk_98457_bobby_wilson","speaker_confidence":0.95,"start_sec":2915.86,"end_sec":2917.16,"text":"I hello.","topics_json":"[]","vector_id":"vec_seg_98457_336","created_at":"2026-10-31T05:58:21Z","speaker_name":"Bobby Wilson"},{"id":"seg_98457_337","meeting_id":"98457","media_asset_id":"med_98457_dc160cd245fcb944","agenda_item_id":null,"speaker_id":"spk_98457_unknown_male_speaker","speaker_confidence":0.8,"start_sec":2917.96,"end_sec":2918.26,"text":"Yes.","topics_json":"[]","vector_id":"vec_seg_98457_337","created_at":"2026-10-31T05:58:21Z","speaker_name":null},{"id":"seg_98457_338","meeting_id":"98457","media_asset_id":"med_98457_dc160cd245fcb944","agenda_item_id":null,"speaker_id":"spk_98457_bobby_wilson","speaker_confidence":0.9,"start_sec":2918.26,"end_sec":2919.86,"text":"She she was the City of Dover.","topics_json":"[]","vector_id":"vec_seg_98457_338","created_at":"2026-10-31T05:58:21Z","speaker_name":"Bobby Wilson"},{"id":"seg_98457_339","meeting_id":"98457","media_asset_id":"med_98457_dc160cd245fcb944","agenda_item_id":null,"speaker_id":"spk_98457_unknown_male_speaker","speaker_confidence":0.8,"start_sec":2919.96,"end_sec":2920.86,"text":"Yes.","topics_json":"[]","vector_id":"vec_seg_98457_339","created_at":"2026-10-31T05:58:21Z","speaker_name":null},{"id":"seg_98457_34","meeting_id":"98457","media_asset_id":"med_98457_dc160cd245fcb944","agenda_item_id":null,"speaker_id":"spk_98457_mullen","speaker_confidence":0.9,"start_sec":296.51,"end_sec":297.69,"text":"Second.","topics_json":"[]","vector_id":"vec_seg_98457_34","created_at":"2026-10-31T05:58:20Z","speaker_name":"Mullen"},{"id":"seg_98457_340","meeting_id":"98457","media_asset_id":"med_98457_dc160cd245fcb944","agenda_item_id":null,"speaker_id":"spk_98457_bobby_wilson","speaker_confidence":0.9,"start_sec":2921.16,"end_sec":2921.76,"text":"Yes.","topics_json":"[]","vector_id":"vec_seg_98457_340","created_at":"2026-10-31T05:58:21Z","speaker_name":"Bobby Wilson"},{"id":"seg_98457_341","meeting_id":"98457","media_asset_id":"med_98457_dc160cd245fcb944","agenda_item_id":null,"speaker_id":"spk_98457_unknown_male_speaker","speaker_confidence":0.8,"start_sec":2921.96,"end_sec":2927.96,"text":"And she assures that what's supposed to be will be.","topics_json":"[]","vector_id":"vec_seg_98457_341","created_at":"2026-10-31T05:58:21Z","speaker_name":null},{"id":"seg_98457_342","meeting_id":"98457","media_asset_id":"med_98457_dc160cd245fcb944","agenda_item_id":null,"speaker_id":"spk_98457_bobby_wilson","speaker_confidence":0.95,"start_sec":2928.16,"end_sec":2929.26,"text":"Oh, yes indeed.","topics_json":"[]","vector_id":"vec_seg_98457_342","created_at":"2026-10-31T05:58:21Z","speaker_name":"Bobby Wilson"},{"id":"seg_98457_343","meeting_id":"98457","media_asset_id":"med_98457_dc160cd245fcb944","agenda_item_id":null,"speaker_id":"spk_98457_unknown_male_speaker","speaker_confidence":0.8,"start_sec":2929.26,"end_sec":2929.96,"text":"Thank you, sir.","topics_json":"[]","vector_id":"vec_seg_98457_343","created_at":"2026-10-31T05:58:21Z","speaker_name":null},{"id":"seg_98457_344","meeting_id":"98457","media_asset_id":"med_98457_dc160cd245fcb944","agenda_item_id":null,"speaker_id":"spk_98457_bobby_wilson","speaker_confidence":0.95,"start_sec":2929.96,"end_sec":2948.85,"text":"One other thing. Um last night at the city planning meeting, can I make a discussion uh kind start a conversation in reference to the city council, I mean, the city planning meeting last night? The city planning meeting last night uh there was votes that was taken on different projects, um building activities that's going to be taken on in the city of Dover. And I came before the city planning commission and spoke about one particular project. It's a project, it's going to be a new apartment building that's going to be built, I think it's like uh 60 some-odd units, um that will take place in the building process. And my question was to the owner of the projects that's the builder of the project uh will you be hiring local and minority contractors?","topics_json":"[\"zoning\",\"housing\",\"business\"]","vector_id":"vec_seg_98457_344","created_at":"2026-10-31T05:58:21Z","speaker_name":"Bobby Wilson"},{"id":"seg_98457_345","meeting_id":"98457","media_asset_id":"med_98457_dc160cd245fcb944","agenda_item_id":null,"speaker_id":"spk_98457_chunk16_speaker_1","speaker_confidence":0.9,"start_sec":2948.85,"end_sec":2969.45,"text":"on this project, uh especially minority contractors on this project and and and the majority employees. Would there be a set-aside for any type of partnership on this project? And the builder response was it would be out for bid. 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So therefore we're losing the opportunity to put people to work.","topics_json":"[\"business\"]","vector_id":"vec_seg_98457_346","created_at":"2026-10-31T05:58:21Z","speaker_name":null},{"id":"seg_98457_347","meeting_id":"98457","media_asset_id":"med_98457_dc160cd245fcb944","agenda_item_id":null,"speaker_id":"spk_98457_chunk16_speaker_1","speaker_confidence":0.9,"start_sec":2984.36,"end_sec":3029.72,"text":"And if we have the the Planning Commission sitting here and saying yes, yes to all these projects without any type of responsibility on the part of the developer or contractor, then this the residents of the City of Dover lose out.","topics_json":"[\"business\",\"zoning\"]","vector_id":"vec_seg_98457_347","created_at":"2026-10-31T05:58:21Z","speaker_name":null},{"id":"seg_98457_348","meeting_id":"98457","media_asset_id":"med_98457_dc160cd245fcb944","agenda_item_id":null,"speaker_id":"spk_98457_chunk16_speaker_1","speaker_confidence":0.9,"start_sec":3029.72,"end_sec":3073.56,"text":"And I can tell you right now, I'm a contractor. And from these projects that are being awarded in the City of Dover, and the the largest projects are the underground projects, the water and the sewer project. You're talking about millions like 10, 5, $6 million that has been allocated for these projects, and they are being awarded to companies that are not in the City of Dover. So they're coming down here from Wilmington and New Castle, they're getting these projects, we're calling on them and asking, \"Are you going to use any local uh employees or local contractors?\" They're saying, \"We're bringing our own uh people, we're not hiring, and we're doing all the work our- ourselves.\"","topics_json":"[\"business\",\"budget\"]","vector_id":"vec_seg_98457_348","created_at":"2026-10-31T05:58:21Z","speaker_name":null},{"id":"seg_98457_349","meeting_id":"98457","media_asset_id":"med_98457_dc160cd245fcb944","agenda_item_id":null,"speaker_id":"spk_98457_chunk16_speaker_1","speaker_confidence":0.9,"start_sec":3073.56,"end_sec":3105.91,"text":"So that's a problem. Now, as I spoke last night in reference to Washington, D.C. and Atlanta, Georgia, Marion Barry left it into the city of Washington, D.C. that if you come into Washington, D.C. for a project, it has to be some community engagement into that project. Someone can come into the City of Dover, get the City of Dover money and keep it moving. There's no stipulations.","topics_json":"[\"business\"]","vector_id":"vec_seg_98457_349","created_at":"2026-10-31T05:58:21Z","speaker_name":null},{"id":"seg_98457_35","meeting_id":"98457","media_asset_id":"med_98457_dc160cd245fcb944","agenda_item_id":null,"speaker_id":"spk_98457_chair","speaker_confidence":0.9,"start_sec":297.69,"end_sec":310.51,"text":"Okay, it has been properly moved and seconded that we accept the agenda for the evening as read. Um any question on the motion? Any question on the motion? Any question on the motion? 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That's the apprenticeship, I believe that...","topics_json":"[\"business\"]","vector_id":"vec_seg_98457_353","created_at":"2026-10-31T05:58:21Z","speaker_name":null},{"id":"seg_98457_354","meeting_id":"98457","media_asset_id":"med_98457_dc160cd245fcb944","agenda_item_id":null,"speaker_id":"spk_98457_public_commenter","speaker_confidence":0.7,"start_sec":3153.51,"end_sec":3155.81,"text":"Yes, that's apprenticeship. 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So if a company come here to do their work, a prime contractor, billion-dollar business come here like like A-Del Construction, and perform the work,","topics_json":"[\"business\"]","vector_id":"vec_seg_98457_356","created_at":"2026-10-31T05:58:21Z","speaker_name":null},{"id":"seg_98457_357","meeting_id":"98457","media_asset_id":"med_98457_dc160cd245fcb944","agenda_item_id":null,"speaker_id":"spk_98457_committee_member","speaker_confidence":0.7,"start_sec":3166.06,"end_sec":3167.98,"text":"I was just addressing the apprenticeship, go ahead.","topics_json":"[\"business\"]","vector_id":"vec_seg_98457_357","created_at":"2026-10-31T05:58:21Z","speaker_name":null},{"id":"seg_98457_358","meeting_id":"98457","media_asset_id":"med_98457_dc160cd245fcb944","agenda_item_id":null,"speaker_id":"spk_98457_public_commenter","speaker_confidence":0.7,"start_sec":3168.04,"end_sec":3168.91,"text":"Well, that's that's definitely needed too.","topics_json":"[\"business\"]","vector_id":"vec_seg_98457_358","created_at":"2026-10-31T05:58:21Z","speaker_name":null},{"id":"seg_98457_359","meeting_id":"98457","media_asset_id":"med_98457_dc160cd245fcb944","agenda_item_id":null,"speaker_id":"spk_98457_committee_member","speaker_confidence":0.7,"start_sec":3168.91,"end_sec":3171.08,"text":"That's the apprenticeship. That definitely I'm I'm all for.","topics_json":"[\"business\"]","vector_id":"vec_seg_98457_359","created_at":"2026-10-31T05:58:21Z","speaker_name":null},{"id":"seg_98457_36","meeting_id":"98457","media_asset_id":"med_98457_dc160cd245fcb944","agenda_item_id":null,"speaker_id":"spk_98457_mullen","speaker_confidence":0.9,"start_sec":310.51,"end_sec":311.3,"text":"Aye.","topics_json":"[]","vector_id":"vec_seg_98457_36","created_at":"2026-10-31T05:58:20Z","speaker_name":"Mullen"},{"id":"seg_98457_360","meeting_id":"98457","media_asset_id":"med_98457_dc160cd245fcb944","agenda_item_id":null,"speaker_id":"spk_98457_public_commenter","speaker_confidence":0.7,"start_sec":3171.21,"end_sec":3217.97,"text":"Right, that's definitely needed too. But what happened is, I would love for the people in power in the city of Dover to leave the city of Dover, not just to get vacation, to leave the city of Dover for business, and come on in May to Maryland—not Maryland Live, but um MGM Grand Casino. They have a procurement, a DEI day there, at that casino. And everything goes into effect on how to do business with minority contractors, how to sub it out. We don't have those...","topics_json":"[\"business\"]","vector_id":"vec_seg_98457_360","created_at":"2026-10-31T05:58:21Z","speaker_name":null},{"id":"seg_98457_361","meeting_id":"98457","media_asset_id":"med_98457_dc160cd245fcb944","agenda_item_id":null,"speaker_id":"spk_98457_committee_member","speaker_confidence":0.7,"start_sec":3218.03,"end_sec":3218.71,"text":"Give us that date.","topics_json":"[]","vector_id":"vec_seg_98457_361","created_at":"2026-10-31T05:58:21Z","speaker_name":null},{"id":"seg_98457_362","meeting_id":"98457","media_asset_id":"med_98457_dc160cd245fcb944","agenda_item_id":null,"speaker_id":"spk_98457_public_commenter","speaker_confidence":0.7,"start_sec":3218.77,"end_sec":3220.7,"text":"I'll give you the date. I know it's in May, but I don't know the exact date.","topics_json":"[]","vector_id":"vec_seg_98457_362","created_at":"2026-10-31T05:58:21Z","speaker_name":null},{"id":"seg_98457_363","meeting_id":"98457","media_asset_id":"med_98457_dc160cd245fcb944","agenda_item_id":null,"speaker_id":"spk_98457_committee_member","speaker_confidence":0.7,"start_sec":3220.76,"end_sec":3224.92,"text":"Make sure we have the um the date, because I don't I'm not sure if City Council members can go, but it might be a possibility.","topics_json":"[]","vector_id":"vec_seg_98457_363","created_at":"2026-10-31T05:58:21Z","speaker_name":null},{"id":"seg_98457_364","meeting_id":"98457","media_asset_id":"med_98457_dc160cd245fcb944","agenda_item_id":null,"speaker_id":"spk_98457_public_commenter","speaker_confidence":0.7,"start_sec":3225.04,"end_sec":3233.61,"text":"David Anderson and Ralph Taylor, I invited them over to Maryland Live Casino when the conference was there a couple years ago. They came over and stayed there for less than 30 minutes.","topics_json":"[\"business\"]","vector_id":"vec_seg_98457_364","created_at":"2026-10-31T05:58:21Z","speaker_name":null},{"id":"seg_98457_365","meeting_id":"98457","media_asset_id":"med_98457_dc160cd245fcb944","agenda_item_id":null,"speaker_id":"spk_98457_public_commenter","speaker_confidence":0.7,"start_sec":3233.68,"end_sec":3294.59,"text":"And I had the organizer of the conference was going to ask them to come to the stage and present Dover, Delaware to all the contractors. So they can come over and put in bids here, and be willing to apprentice program, subcontract. These companies are coming into Dover and just taking our money and just raping us. I'm telling you, millions of dollars, and we're not seeing the light of day. And it's all because City Council do not have the right ordinance in place. And the only way they going to have it in place is that they have to leave Dover and learn it. You can't learn, you can't get what I'm talking about by setting in Dover and just pushing papers. You got to get in the trenches and find out what they doing, what your what your neighbor Maryland, Maryland just some few miles away.","topics_json":"[\"business\"]","vector_id":"vec_seg_98457_365","created_at":"2026-10-31T05:58:21Z","speaker_name":null},{"id":"seg_98457_366","meeting_id":"98457","media_asset_id":"med_98457_dc160cd245fcb944","agenda_item_id":null,"speaker_id":"spk_98457_committee_member","speaker_confidence":0.7,"start_sec":3294.78,"end_sec":3298.63,"text":"Um. Are you going to be able to make sure you um see Ms. Waller?","topics_json":"[]","vector_id":"vec_seg_98457_366","created_at":"2026-10-31T05:58:21Z","speaker_name":null},{"id":"seg_98457_367","meeting_id":"98457","media_asset_id":"med_98457_dc160cd245fcb944","agenda_item_id":null,"speaker_id":"spk_98457_public_commenter","speaker_confidence":0.7,"start_sec":3298.87,"end_sec":3299.25,"text":"Yes.","topics_json":"[]","vector_id":"vec_seg_98457_367","created_at":"2026-10-31T05:58:21Z","speaker_name":null},{"id":"seg_98457_368","meeting_id":"98457","media_asset_id":"med_98457_dc160cd245fcb944","agenda_item_id":null,"speaker_id":"spk_98457_committee_member","speaker_confidence":0.7,"start_sec":3299.43,"end_sec":3301.3,"text":"Make sure you give her the information.","topics_json":"[]","vector_id":"vec_seg_98457_368","created_at":"2026-10-31T05:58:21Z","speaker_name":null},{"id":"seg_98457_369","meeting_id":"98457","media_asset_id":"med_98457_dc160cd245fcb944","agenda_item_id":null,"speaker_id":"spk_98457_public_commenter","speaker_confidence":0.7,"start_sec":3301.48,"end_sec":3341.53,"text":"Yeah, the address and date on when it's going to take place. Um. You know, it's a lot going on. They have a pre-bid meeting. Even with the pre-bid meeting that that that we have in the city of Dover, it's not mandatory. So if it's not mandatory, how do I know who's bidding on the contract? The The contractor's not don't even have to show up. 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Ayes have it, motion carry.","topics_json":"[]","vector_id":"vec_seg_98457_38","created_at":"2026-10-31T05:58:20Z","speaker_name":null},{"id":"seg_98457_380","meeting_id":"98457","media_asset_id":"med_98457_dc160cd245fcb944","agenda_item_id":null,"speaker_id":"spk_98457_public_commenter","speaker_confidence":0.85,"start_sec":3372.13,"end_sec":3373.03,"text":"Great.","topics_json":"[]","vector_id":"vec_seg_98457_380","created_at":"2026-10-31T05:58:21Z","speaker_name":null},{"id":"seg_98457_381","meeting_id":"98457","media_asset_id":"med_98457_dc160cd245fcb944","agenda_item_id":null,"speaker_id":"spk_98457_dhrc_commissioner","speaker_confidence":0.9,"start_sec":3373.03,"end_sec":3377.13,"text":"And the intake form needs to go to our City Clerk's office.","topics_json":"[]","vector_id":"vec_seg_98457_381","created_at":"2026-10-31T05:58:21Z","speaker_name":null},{"id":"seg_98457_382","meeting_id":"98457","media_asset_id":"med_98457_dc160cd245fcb944","agenda_item_id":null,"speaker_id":"spk_98457_public_commenter","speaker_confidence":0.85,"start_sec":3377.13,"end_sec":3377.83,"text":"Mhm.","topics_json":"[]","vector_id":"vec_seg_98457_382","created_at":"2026-10-31T05:58:21Z","speaker_name":null},{"id":"seg_98457_383","meeting_id":"98457","media_asset_id":"med_98457_dc160cd245fcb944","agenda_item_id":null,"speaker_id":"spk_98457_dhrc_commissioner","speaker_confidence":0.9,"start_sec":3377.83,"end_sec":3385.53,"text":"Um, and I and I'm so glad we have Ms. Wheeler here. 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We have a community committee, um, and and if there's some things you want to collaborate on, uh, we can do that. If we—","topics_json":"[]","vector_id":"vec_seg_98457_387","created_at":"2026-10-31T05:58:21Z","speaker_name":null},{"id":"seg_98457_388","meeting_id":"98457","media_asset_id":"med_98457_dc160cd245fcb944","agenda_item_id":null,"speaker_id":"spk_98457_dhrc_commissioner","speaker_confidence":0.9,"start_sec":3447.13,"end_sec":3489.83,"text":"Everybody, uh, we're about to we're about to close out, but I had I had, um, Ms. Wheeler, um, pull the strategic plan, uh, for everybody to have. And the reason why is because if you look at the mission, where it says, uh, um, \"Our mission is works to ensure that the City of Dover has and utilizes policies, programs, ordinances, organizational practices, specialized resources, and appropriately trained employees to support diversity, inclusion, and cultural competency.\"","topics_json":"[]","vector_id":"vec_seg_98457_388","created_at":"2026-10-31T05:58:21Z","speaker_name":null},{"id":"seg_98457_389","meeting_id":"98457","media_asset_id":"med_98457_dc160cd245fcb944","agenda_item_id":null,"speaker_id":"spk_98457_public_commenter","speaker_confidence":0.85,"start_sec":3489.93,"end_sec":3491.33,"text":"Awesome.","topics_json":"[]","vector_id":"vec_seg_98457_389","created_at":"2026-10-31T05:58:21Z","speaker_name":null},{"id":"seg_98457_39","meeting_id":"98457","media_asset_id":"med_98457_dc160cd245fcb944","agenda_item_id":null,"speaker_id":"spk_98457_chair","speaker_confidence":0.9,"start_sec":316.44,"end_sec":360.51,"text":"Okay, um hopefully you had a a chance to look over the minutes, um and I will uh accept a motion to accept the minutes.","topics_json":"[]","vector_id":"vec_seg_98457_39","created_at":"2026-10-31T05:58:20Z","speaker_name":null},{"id":"seg_98457_390","meeting_id":"98457","media_asset_id":"med_98457_dc160cd245fcb944","agenda_item_id":null,"speaker_id":"spk_98457_dhrc_commissioner","speaker_confidence":0.9,"start_sec":3491.33,"end_sec":3538.62,"text":"And when we have, um, a particular—I'm just going to be flat out. You know, it doesn't bother me. This is not a job and I don't get paid, but I'm here for the people. And if you've got a problem with me, you've got a problem with my people. So, I have a problem when I just read this and I asked for particulars to go on our agenda this evening, and I'm told we can't have it on there because of particular things, uh, are already taking place. It could take place in 2000! If it's a ordinance, a frontline, a procedure, a policy that a follow-up for this city, we will research and we will make a recommendation on any of those things that are written down for this city that go back to the establishment of the City of Dover. The people come first! All this paperwork, I can set fire to it. I don't have a problem with that. I'm telling you now. Mrs. White used to complain to me about being a seat warmer. 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Because you can tell right now I'm not your average, and I don't do just do.","topics_json":"[]","vector_id":"vec_seg_98457_391","created_at":"2026-10-31T05:58:21Z","speaker_name":null},{"id":"seg_98457_392","meeting_id":"98457","media_asset_id":"med_98457_dc160cd245fcb944","agenda_item_id":null,"speaker_id":"spk_98457_dhrc_commissioner","speaker_confidence":0.85,"start_sec":3558.29,"end_sec":3571.3,"text":"If I had to be in the street with my people, I don't need this place. I'm going to tell you now, I don't. I got I got skills to pay bills. I know how to barter, and I got mothers all over the city. One of them is in here.","topics_json":"[]","vector_id":"vec_seg_98457_392","created_at":"2026-10-31T05:58:21Z","speaker_name":null},{"id":"seg_98457_393","meeting_id":"98457","media_asset_id":"med_98457_dc160cd245fcb944","agenda_item_id":null,"speaker_id":"spk_98457_dhrc_commissioner","speaker_confidence":0.85,"start_sec":3572.02,"end_sec":3611.33,"text":"So I mean, we're going to make sure we take care of our city, the people in the city, and we're going to make sure our policies and procedures to go by are in accordance and in alignment. Because this phone ringing while I'm talking is not an alignment.","topics_json":"[]","vector_id":"vec_seg_98457_393","created_at":"2026-10-31T05:58:21Z","speaker_name":null},{"id":"seg_98457_394","meeting_id":"98457","media_asset_id":"med_98457_dc160cd245fcb944","agenda_item_id":null,"speaker_id":"spk_98457_dhrc_chair","speaker_confidence":0.85,"start_sec":3611.33,"end_sec":3614.43,"text":"Oh, it's not an alignment. I agree with you 100%.","topics_json":"[]","vector_id":"vec_seg_98457_394","created_at":"2026-10-31T05:58:21Z","speaker_name":null},{"id":"seg_98457_395","meeting_id":"98457","media_asset_id":"med_98457_dc160cd245fcb944","agenda_item_id":null,"speaker_id":"spk_98457_dhrc_commissioner","speaker_confidence":0.85,"start_sec":3614.43,"end_sec":3616.4,"text":"Well, it's good because that means that I'm not talking too long.","topics_json":"[]","vector_id":"vec_seg_98457_395","created_at":"2026-10-31T05:58:21Z","speaker_name":null},{"id":"seg_98457_396","meeting_id":"98457","media_asset_id":"med_98457_dc160cd245fcb944","agenda_item_id":null,"speaker_id":"spk_98457_dhrc_chair","speaker_confidence":0.85,"start_sec":3616.4,"end_sec":3619.53,"text":"It's an alignment with me, it's off. Okay? But we we appreciate you.","topics_json":"[]","vector_id":"vec_seg_98457_396","created_at":"2026-10-31T05:58:21Z","speaker_name":null},{"id":"seg_98457_397","meeting_id":"98457","media_asset_id":"med_98457_dc160cd245fcb944","agenda_item_id":null,"speaker_id":"spk_98457_dhrc_commissioner","speaker_confidence":0.85,"start_sec":3619.53,"end_sec":3622.53,"text":"Thank you. I appreciate you all. Mr. Wilson, Miss Taylor,","topics_json":"[]","vector_id":"vec_seg_98457_397","created_at":"2026-10-31T05:58:21Z","speaker_name":null},{"id":"seg_98457_398","meeting_id":"98457","media_asset_id":"med_98457_dc160cd245fcb944","agenda_item_id":null,"speaker_id":"spk_98457_chunk19_speaker","speaker_confidence":0.85,"start_sec":3622.53,"end_sec":3624.06,"text":"Now Mr. Commissioner, to answer your question.","topics_json":"[]","vector_id":"vec_seg_98457_398","created_at":"2026-10-31T05:58:21Z","speaker_name":null},{"id":"seg_98457_399","meeting_id":"98457","media_asset_id":"med_98457_dc160cd245fcb944","agenda_item_id":null,"speaker_id":"spk_98457_chunk19_speaker","speaker_confidence":0.85,"start_sec":3624.24,"end_sec":3682.02,"text":"I believe you should reach out to the City Controller, because I've attended the majority of the council meetings. I believe, and don't quote me on this sir, I believe there are certain regulations and guidelines for minority and small businesses to apply for certain city jobs and bids. So I would reach suggest you reach out and get it in black and white what is the criteria, because I in the meetings I heard minority and small business were given the opportunity to bid on contract or contracts if they meet the minimum requirements to do such jobs. So that is one suggestion to look at what the city has in black and white.","topics_json":"[\"business\"]","vector_id":"vec_seg_98457_399","created_at":"2026-10-31T05:58:21Z","speaker_name":null},{"id":"seg_98457_4","meeting_id":"98457","media_asset_id":"med_98457_dc160cd245fcb944","agenda_item_id":null,"speaker_id":"spk_98457_commissioner_faust","speaker_confidence":0.8,"start_sec":8.07,"end_sec":9.31,"text":"Testing, testing.","topics_json":"[]","vector_id":"vec_seg_98457_4","created_at":"2026-10-31T05:58:20Z","speaker_name":"Commissioner Faust"},{"id":"seg_98457_40","meeting_id":"98457","media_asset_id":"med_98457_dc160cd245fcb944","agenda_item_id":null,"speaker_id":"spk_98457_mullen","speaker_confidence":0.9,"start_sec":360.51,"end_sec":363.04,"text":"I move to accept the minutes as presented.","topics_json":"[]","vector_id":"vec_seg_98457_40","created_at":"2026-10-31T05:58:20Z","speaker_name":"Mullen"},{"id":"seg_98457_400","meeting_id":"98457","media_asset_id":"med_98457_dc160cd245fcb944","agenda_item_id":null,"speaker_id":"spk_98457_bobby","speaker_confidence":0.85,"start_sec":3682.53,"end_sec":3701.76,"text":"What the city what the city had in black and white does not help us at all, because if Teal Construction, and Teal Construction bid on a job and they are a billion-dollar company, and here little old Bobby had to bid on a job, I get the same percentage as Teal Construction. They get 3% and I get 3%. So if if if if they are a citizen of Dover, they get the same percentage as me being a minority. So that's how that's helping a minority contractor?","topics_json":"[\"business\"]","vector_id":"vec_seg_98457_400","created_at":"2026-10-31T05:58:21Z","speaker_name":"Bobby"},{"id":"seg_98457_401","meeting_id":"98457","media_asset_id":"med_98457_dc160cd245fcb944","agenda_item_id":null,"speaker_id":"spk_98457_dhrc_commissioner","speaker_confidence":0.85,"start_sec":3701.76,"end_sec":3705.57,"text":"Past this point, we're at the point right now where it's time to do action research.","topics_json":"[]","vector_id":"vec_seg_98457_401","created_at":"2026-10-31T05:58:21Z","speaker_name":null},{"id":"seg_98457_402","meeting_id":"98457","media_asset_id":"med_98457_dc160cd245fcb944","agenda_item_id":null,"speaker_id":"spk_98457_bobby","speaker_confidence":0.85,"start_sec":3705.75,"end_sec":3707.17,"text":"There you go. There you go.","topics_json":"[]","vector_id":"vec_seg_98457_402","created_at":"2026-10-31T05:58:21Z","speaker_name":"Bobby"},{"id":"seg_98457_403","meeting_id":"98457","media_asset_id":"med_98457_dc160cd245fcb944","agenda_item_id":null,"speaker_id":"spk_98457_dhrc_commissioner","speaker_confidence":0.85,"start_sec":3707.17,"end_sec":3709.16,"text":"And I'm making a public announcement.","topics_json":"[]","vector_id":"vec_seg_98457_403","created_at":"2026-10-31T05:58:21Z","speaker_name":null},{"id":"seg_98457_404","meeting_id":"98457","media_asset_id":"med_98457_dc160cd245fcb944","agenda_item_id":null,"speaker_id":"spk_98457_bobby","speaker_confidence":0.85,"start_sec":3709.16,"end_sec":3709.73,"text":"There you go.","topics_json":"[]","vector_id":"vec_seg_98457_404","created_at":"2026-10-31T05:58:21Z","speaker_name":"Bobby"},{"id":"seg_98457_405","meeting_id":"98457","media_asset_id":"med_98457_dc160cd245fcb944","agenda_item_id":null,"speaker_id":"spk_98457_dhrc_commissioner","speaker_confidence":0.85,"start_sec":3709.73,"end_sec":3711.43,"text":"We are getting ready to do action research.","topics_json":"[]","vector_id":"vec_seg_98457_405","created_at":"2026-10-31T05:58:21Z","speaker_name":null},{"id":"seg_98457_406","meeting_id":"98457","media_asset_id":"med_98457_dc160cd245fcb944","agenda_item_id":null,"speaker_id":"spk_98457_bobby","speaker_confidence":0.85,"start_sec":3711.43,"end_sec":3712.92,"text":"Yes. 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Awesome.","topics_json":"[]","vector_id":"vec_seg_98457_408","created_at":"2026-10-31T05:58:21Z","speaker_name":"Bobby"},{"id":"seg_98457_409","meeting_id":"98457","media_asset_id":"med_98457_dc160cd245fcb944","agenda_item_id":null,"speaker_id":"spk_98457_dhrc_commissioner","speaker_confidence":0.85,"start_sec":3718.35,"end_sec":3722.03,"text":"And what is your process experience going to be like starting with this form?","topics_json":"[]","vector_id":"vec_seg_98457_409","created_at":"2026-10-31T05:58:21Z","speaker_name":null},{"id":"seg_98457_41","meeting_id":"98457","media_asset_id":"med_98457_dc160cd245fcb944","agenda_item_id":null,"speaker_id":"spk_98457_commissioner","speaker_confidence":0.8,"start_sec":363.04,"end_sec":364.15,"text":"I'll second it.","topics_json":"[]","vector_id":"vec_seg_98457_41","created_at":"2026-10-31T05:58:20Z","speaker_name":null},{"id":"seg_98457_410","meeting_id":"98457","media_asset_id":"med_98457_dc160cd245fcb944","agenda_item_id":null,"speaker_id":"spk_98457_bobby","speaker_confidence":0.85,"start_sec":3722.25,"end_sec":3724.31,"text":"Great. 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Many years he have came to this podium and only to be turned and looked down upon. And I thank you for this evening to be able to address and give to us an opportunity to be able to look into what can we do as commissioners to help. And thank you very much. Have a good evening.","topics_json":"[]","vector_id":"vec_seg_98457_423","created_at":"2026-10-31T05:58:21Z","speaker_name":"Commissioner White"},{"id":"seg_98457_424","meeting_id":"98457","media_asset_id":"med_98457_dc160cd245fcb944","agenda_item_id":null,"speaker_id":"spk_98457_chair","speaker_confidence":0.9,"start_sec":3796.51,"end_sec":3800.61,"text":"Thank you, Commissioner White. 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Uh we we just want to ensure that the data will be kept under confidentiality.","topics_json":"[]","vector_id":"vec_seg_98457_49","created_at":"2026-10-31T05:58:20Z","speaker_name":"Alan Henderson"},{"id":"seg_98457_5","meeting_id":"98457","media_asset_id":"med_98457_dc160cd245fcb944","agenda_item_id":null,"speaker_id":"off_roy_sudler_jr","speaker_confidence":0.95,"start_sec":9.31,"end_sec":10.87,"text":"You good, Commissioner Faust?","topics_json":"[]","vector_id":"vec_seg_98457_5","created_at":"2026-10-31T05:58:20Z","speaker_name":"Roy Sudler, Jr."},{"id":"seg_98457_50","meeting_id":"98457","media_asset_id":"med_98457_dc160cd245fcb944","agenda_item_id":null,"speaker_id":"spk_98457_wanda_mullins","speaker_confidence":0.95,"start_sec":455.83,"end_sec":467.88,"text":"And there are some more, there are other pieces to this, too, that I had questions in regards to how would this survey be distributed to the public, or to business owners, or to the neighborhoods. 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Um, we'll see um how we can approach how how we can uh get the approval for the uh survey first. And then, um at the same time, um, I should get some procedures and some instruction on how um how we conduct ourselves accordingly as far as being able to um reach out with particular documents, who has to view them, and and when we can do such movements. Okay? And I don't think it would take too long. It shouldn't take too long at all. I think um with the with the questions that you have here, I I think it it would be pretty appropriate, and and I think we we we should get some approval. If not, we'll get direction on how we will get the approval, what needs to be put in into it. But I think um I think we're okay with with the initial start. 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Uh United Way said if we run out of cards again, let them know before we run out, and they'll be glad to give us um as many as we need, and they appreciate us uh asking for the cards.","topics_json":"[\"homelessness\"]","vector_id":"vec_seg_98457_69","created_at":"2026-10-31T05:58:20Z","speaker_name":"Michael Faust"},{"id":"seg_98457_7","meeting_id":"98457","media_asset_id":"med_98457_dc160cd245fcb944","agenda_item_id":null,"speaker_id":"off_roy_sudler_jr","speaker_confidence":0.95,"start_sec":12.67,"end_sec":13.66,"text":"You okay?","topics_json":"[]","vector_id":"vec_seg_98457_7","created_at":"2026-10-31T05:58:20Z","speaker_name":"Roy Sudler, Jr."},{"id":"seg_98457_70","meeting_id":"98457","media_asset_id":"med_98457_dc160cd245fcb944","agenda_item_id":null,"speaker_id":"spk_98457_female_speaker","speaker_confidence":0.8,"start_sec":679.37,"end_sec":682.66,"text":"I just have a question. Are any of those cards at the library?","topics_json":"[]","vector_id":"vec_seg_98457_70","created_at":"2026-10-31T05:58:20Z","speaker_name":null},{"id":"seg_98457_71","meeting_id":"98457","media_asset_id":"med_98457_dc160cd245fcb944","agenda_item_id":null,"speaker_id":"spk_98457_michael_faust","speaker_confidence":0.9,"start_sec":682.66,"end_sec":685.58,"text":"I can't I can't answer. 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Do you have enough to share tonight?","topics_json":"[]","vector_id":"vec_seg_98457_77","created_at":"2026-10-31T05:58:20Z","speaker_name":"Faye White"},{"id":"seg_98457_78","meeting_id":"98457","media_asset_id":"med_98457_dc160cd245fcb944","agenda_item_id":null,"speaker_id":"spk_98457_michael_faust","speaker_confidence":0.9,"start_sec":739.48,"end_sec":742.46,"text":"I've got about 250 cards, so we can make sure everyone that needs them","topics_json":"[]","vector_id":"vec_seg_98457_78","created_at":"2026-10-31T05:58:20Z","speaker_name":"Michael Faust"},{"id":"seg_98457_79","meeting_id":"98457","media_asset_id":"med_98457_dc160cd245fcb944","agenda_item_id":null,"speaker_id":"spk_98457_faye_white","speaker_confidence":0.85,"start_sec":742.46,"end_sec":746,"text":"Just one package. I'll start with one package, please. If it's permissible. Okay. 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But it's not on the corner.","topics_json":"[]","vector_id":"vec_seg_98457_98","created_at":"2026-10-31T05:58:20Z","speaker_name":null},{"id":"seg_98457_99","meeting_id":"98457","media_asset_id":"med_98457_dc160cd245fcb944","agenda_item_id":null,"speaker_id":"spk_98457_male_speaker_2","speaker_confidence":1,"start_sec":860.86,"end_sec":863.86,"text":"It's I know what you're talking about. It sits by itself.","topics_json":"[]","vector_id":"vec_seg_98457_99","created_at":"2026-10-31T05:58:20Z","speaker_name":null},{"id":"seg_98715_1","meeting_id":"98715","media_asset_id":"med_98715_hls_9e64686ccadd5717","agenda_item_id":null,"speaker_id":"off_fred_a_neil","speaker_confidence":0.95,"start_sec":0.62,"end_sec":7.08,"text":"I call the February 25th, 2026 City Council meeting of Dover to order. Uh, we'll have an invocation by Councilman Andre Boggerty.","topics_json":"[]","vector_id":"vec_seg_98715_1","created_at":"2026-10-31T05:11:11Z","speaker_name":"Fred A. 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Going into now the items not on the agenda. Uh this is the Bay Village Planned Neighborhood Design, uh PND, on the south side of White Oak Road, a sketch plan review and we request uh Dawn Melson Melson-Williams to brief the members on this item.","topics_json":"[\"zoning\"]","vector_id":"vec_seg_98715_103","created_at":"2026-10-31T05:11:11Z","speaker_name":"Fred A. Neil"},{"id":"seg_98715_104","meeting_id":"98715","media_asset_id":"med_98715_hls_9e64686ccadd5717","agenda_item_id":null,"speaker_id":"spk_98715_dawn_melson_williams","speaker_confidence":0.95,"start_sec":828.44,"end_sec":983.04,"text":"Uh thank you, Council President. I'm Dawn Melson-Williams, the principal planner for the city's planning office. Um included in your packet this evening was an action form in regards to this item, and it has a sketch plan plan for the Bay Village residential project that's proposed as a planned neighborhood design, um as well as a letter from the project engineer on behalf of Bay Village of Dover LLC. Uh this project, uh known as Bay Village Residential Planned Neighborhood Design, uh brings to council a general sketch plan. Uh that is the first step in the process of a planned neighborhood design uh project and the review processes that are required by uh the city's zoning ordinance. Uh so this is the first step. Um The charge to council per the the zoning ordinance um in Article 3, Section 24 in regards to a planned neighborhood design uh is to determine whether or not the proposed project, um in this case Bay Village Residential PND, uh is of such a design and type that warrants further review by the planning commission. Uh if council deems such and refers it to the planning commission, um they will need to file a conditional use um development plan application with the um planning commission um for their review. Uh the property, and if we go to the the next image is probably a little better uh to show us where we're talking about, um the property is just over 79 acres of land located on the south side of White Oak Road. Uh this is to the east of State Route 1. Um To the north, or at the top of the image on the screen, is where you find the Garrison Oak uh Business and Technology Center. Uh The report that we included provided a summary of previous applications regarding this tract of land. Um It's had fits and starts over the years, um but the proposal that is uh before you this evening um for consideration is Bay Village PND uh to consist of a project of 250 townhouse units uh and resolving um a larger tract there shown as the","topics_json":"[\"housing\",\"zoning\"]","vector_id":"vec_seg_98715_104","created_at":"2026-10-31T05:11:11Z","speaker_name":"Dawn Melson-Williams"},{"id":"seg_98715_105","meeting_id":"98715","media_asset_id":"med_98715_hls_9e64686ccadd5717","agenda_item_id":null,"speaker_id":"spk_98715_dawn_melson_williams","speaker_confidence":1,"start_sec":983.05,"end_sec":1164.55,"text":"bottom of the page, uh, for a future potential, uh, apartment unit complex of 380 units. Um, as noted, the Planned Neighborhood Design process is multiple steps. This is the first step. Uh, a PND, uh, as we call it, is allowed in certain, uh, residential zoning classifications. Uh, this property is zoned RM-2, that is one of them that allows for such type of activity. Uh, this property is also subject to the source water protection overlay zone, um, which has some limitations due to, um, lot coverage in certain areas. The comprehensive plan also must be looked at when you're considering a PND, uh, and in this area, it gives a land use category of residential medium density, uh, and that is where, uh, the maximum density, uh, to be allowed would be eight dwelling units per acre. Uh, what this project is proposing is under that. Uh, the report also includes more detailed information about, um, this area along White Oak Road. Uh, in the comprehensive plan, it actually notes this Bay Village, um, parcel and that it is an opportunity to provide, uh, work for- workforce quality housing perhaps, um, should that, uh, an application to that effect come forward. Um, with a Planned Neighborhood, uh, Design, it is a residential land use, and residential land uses, one of the goals of the comprehensive plan is to develop and maintain an adequate supply of housing of various types, sizes, and densities, um, here in the city of Dover. Couple of key things with a PND: it requires 25% open space, um, and limits the density to eight dwelling units per acre. Uh, so what council is looking at is whether or not this location, um, w- warrants further review. Uh, you are not charged with, um, providing detailed, uh, code review of this. That process would happen should it be forwarded onto, um, planning commission and go through that review process for a subdivision and development under the PND requirements. Um, I will note that the, uh, project does have representatives of the engineering firm working on the project, um, here in the room this evening, uh, should you have any general questions that they could address. Uh, so, uh, planning staff is recommending that council forward this, uh, concept sketch plan onto the next step, um, to allow it to be, uh, submitted to the planning commission, uh, to begin a review process for the development as a Planned Neighborhood Design. Council President.","topics_json":"[\"housing\",\"zoning\"]","vector_id":"vec_seg_98715_105","created_at":"2026-10-31T05:11:11Z","speaker_name":"Dawn Melson-Williams"},{"id":"seg_98715_106","meeting_id":"98715","media_asset_id":"med_98715_hls_9e64686ccadd5717","agenda_item_id":null,"speaker_id":"off_fred_a_neil","speaker_confidence":1,"start_sec":1164.55,"end_sec":1166.35,"text":"Questions? Yes, Councilman Rocha.","topics_json":"[]","vector_id":"vec_seg_98715_106","created_at":"2026-10-31T05:11:11Z","speaker_name":"Fred A. 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Yes, Councilwoman Arndt.","topics_json":"[]","vector_id":"vec_seg_98715_113","created_at":"2026-10-31T05:11:11Z","speaker_name":"Fred A. Neil"},{"id":"seg_98715_114","meeting_id":"98715","media_asset_id":"med_98715_hls_9e64686ccadd5717","agenda_item_id":null,"speaker_id":"off_tricia_k_arndt","speaker_confidence":0.95,"start_sec":1190.92,"end_sec":1195,"text":"Not a question, I was ready to make a motion. I'll yield to Dr. Sudler.","topics_json":"[]","vector_id":"vec_seg_98715_114","created_at":"2026-10-31T05:11:11Z","speaker_name":"Tricia K. Arndt"},{"id":"seg_98715_115","meeting_id":"98715","media_asset_id":"med_98715_hls_9e64686ccadd5717","agenda_item_id":null,"speaker_id":"off_fred_a_neil","speaker_confidence":0.95,"start_sec":1195,"end_sec":1196.16,"text":"Dr. Sudler.","topics_json":"[]","vector_id":"vec_seg_98715_115","created_at":"2026-10-31T05:11:11Z","speaker_name":"Fred A. 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Um Bay, is that Bay Road?","topics_json":"[]","vector_id":"vec_seg_98715_116","created_at":"2026-10-31T05:11:11Z","speaker_name":"Roy Sudler, Jr."},{"id":"seg_98715_117","meeting_id":"98715","media_asset_id":"med_98715_hls_9e64686ccadd5717","agenda_item_id":null,"speaker_id":"spk_98715_dawn_melson_williams","speaker_confidence":0.9,"start_sec":1204.5,"end_sec":1205.72,"text":"Bay Village.","topics_json":"[]","vector_id":"vec_seg_98715_117","created_at":"2026-10-31T05:11:11Z","speaker_name":"Dawn Melson-Williams"},{"id":"seg_98715_118","meeting_id":"98715","media_asset_id":"med_98715_hls_9e64686ccadd5717","agenda_item_id":null,"speaker_id":"off_roy_sudler_jr","speaker_confidence":0.95,"start_sec":1205.72,"end_sec":1209.52,"text":"Bay Village. Uh is that road on a high injury network?","topics_json":"[\"public_safety\"]","vector_id":"vec_seg_98715_118","created_at":"2026-10-31T05:11:11Z","speaker_name":"Roy Sudler, Jr."},{"id":"seg_98715_119","meeting_id":"98715","media_asset_id":"med_98715_hls_9e64686ccadd5717","agenda_item_id":null,"speaker_id":"spk_98715_dawn_melson_williams","speaker_confidence":0.9,"start_sec":1209.52,"end_sec":1230.5,"text":"Um I am not familiar as to whether or not it is. I can tell you that the project has um gone through a traffic impact study with DelDOT and the design of any entrances onto White Oak Road, since it is a state maintained road, will be subject to the DelDOT review and approval process.","topics_json":"[]","vector_id":"vec_seg_98715_119","created_at":"2026-10-31T05:11:11Z","speaker_name":"Dawn Melson-Williams"},{"id":"seg_98715_12","meeting_id":"98715","media_asset_id":"med_98715_hls_9e64686ccadd5717","agenda_item_id":null,"speaker_id":"off_fred_a_neil","speaker_confidence":0.95,"start_sec":225.11,"end_sec":232.01,"text":"Um Councilman Sudler, we have very few items on this agenda, and I would much prefer that we go through them.","topics_json":"[]","vector_id":"vec_seg_98715_12","created_at":"2026-10-31T05:11:11Z","speaker_name":"Fred A. 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We received a great deal of help by members of the uh real estate industry, notably uh Todd Stonesifer and Mr. Phil McGinnis who helped us and worked through this. Basically, if you do If you are at a day to deal and you are ready to sign that contract, once you have that lease, once you have borrowed that money, there's really no getting out. If you find out the house is not what it was supposed to be, there's literally you you are strung up, and you're in trouble. You're in a money pit, you're going to have to do all the fixing yourself. You you're stuck. And the idea behind this is to make sure that every","topics_json":"[\"housing\",\"zoning\"]","vector_id":"vec_seg_98715_130","created_at":"2026-10-31T05:11:11Z","speaker_name":"Fred A. Neil"},{"id":"seg_98715_131","meeting_id":"98715","media_asset_id":"med_98715_hls_9e64686ccadd5717","agenda_item_id":null,"speaker_id":"off_fred_a_neil","speaker_confidence":0.95,"start_sec":1376.27,"end_sec":1388.71,"text":"the dot is dotted, every t is crossed, using the methodology that the industry already has, but having a check-off to make sure that what you're getting is what you're getting. And we will have, of course, a hearing as it comes up again. Does anyone have any questions? Yes, Councilwoman Arndt.","topics_json":"[\"housing\"]","vector_id":"vec_seg_98715_131","created_at":"2026-10-31T05:11:11Z","speaker_name":"Fred A. Neil"},{"id":"seg_98715_132","meeting_id":"98715","media_asset_id":"med_98715_hls_9e64686ccadd5717","agenda_item_id":null,"speaker_id":"off_tricia_k_arndt","speaker_confidence":0.95,"start_sec":1388.71,"end_sec":1404.56,"text":"Thank you for recognizing me. I still have concerns about this this ordinance as proposed, particularly in how it relates to the state process and requirements for home inspection. So I look forward to having those questions answered during the during the hearing when there are real estate professionals available to answer those questions. I yield.","topics_json":"[\"housing\"]","vector_id":"vec_seg_98715_132","created_at":"2026-10-31T05:11:11Z","speaker_name":"Tricia K. Arndt"},{"id":"seg_98715_133","meeting_id":"98715","media_asset_id":"med_98715_hls_9e64686ccadd5717","agenda_item_id":null,"speaker_id":"off_fred_a_neil","speaker_confidence":0.95,"start_sec":1404.56,"end_sec":1412.52,"text":"Okay. I now defer to Madam Clerk Rivera for the introduction of the ordinance in accordance to Section 1-9 of the Dover Code. Madam Clerk.","topics_json":"[]","vector_id":"vec_seg_98715_133","created_at":"2026-10-31T05:11:11Z","speaker_name":"Fred A. Neil"},{"id":"seg_98715_134","meeting_id":"98715","media_asset_id":"med_98715_hls_9e64686ccadd5717","agenda_item_id":null,"speaker_id":"spk_98715_rivera","speaker_confidence":0.9,"start_sec":1412.52,"end_sec":1449.48,"text":"There is no action at this time. Proposed Ordinance 2025-14, amending Chapter 22, Buildings and Building Regulations, by inserting Article 13, Lead in Housing.","topics_json":"[\"housing\"]","vector_id":"vec_seg_98715_134","created_at":"2026-10-31T05:11:11Z","speaker_name":"Rivera"},{"id":"seg_98715_135","meeting_id":"98715","media_asset_id":"med_98715_hls_9e64686ccadd5717","agenda_item_id":null,"speaker_id":"off_fred_a_neil","speaker_confidence":0.95,"start_sec":1449.48,"end_sec":1465.48,"text":"Okay, we now have the first reading and referral of proposed Ordinance 2026-08 for the rezoning of property located at 317, 319, and 325 West Division Street. It's recommended for referral to the Planning Commission for a public hearing on March the 16th, 2026,","topics_json":"[\"zoning\"]","vector_id":"vec_seg_98715_135","created_at":"2026-10-31T05:11:11Z","speaker_name":"Fred A. Neil"},{"id":"seg_98715_136","meeting_id":"98715","media_asset_id":"med_98715_hls_9e64686ccadd5717","agenda_item_id":null,"speaker_id":"off_fred_a_neil","speaker_confidence":0.95,"start_sec":1465.48,"end_sec":1522.34,"text":"and a public hearing before the City Council set for April 13th, 2026 at 6:30 p.m., at which time the final reading and council action will take place. The ordinance is available on the city's website at www.cityofdover.com under Government, or by contacting the city clerk's office at [contact removed], or [contact removed] I request Mrs. Dawn Melson-Williams, principal planner, to brief members on this proposed ordinance, Ordinance 2026-08.","topics_json":"[\"zoning\"]","vector_id":"vec_seg_98715_136","created_at":"2026-10-31T05:11:11Z","speaker_name":"Fred A. Neil"},{"id":"seg_98715_137","meeting_id":"98715","media_asset_id":"med_98715_hls_9e64686ccadd5717","agenda_item_id":null,"speaker_id":"spk_98715_dawn_melson_williams","speaker_confidence":0.95,"start_sec":1522.34,"end_sec":1547.01,"text":"Thank you, Council President. I'm Dawn Melson-Williams, principal planner with the City's Planning Office. This is the first step in a process for rezoning, and that is the announcement of the filing of the application and setting the formal dates for public hearing before the Planning Commission and City Council. This request is application Z-26-02, and the associated ordinance number is 26 2026-08. It involves the lands of ASMA Property LLC, and is focused on three properties along West Division Street.","topics_json":"[\"zoning\"]","vector_id":"vec_seg_98715_137","created_at":"2026-10-31T05:11:11Z","speaker_name":"Dawn Melson-Williams"},{"id":"seg_98715_138","meeting_id":"98715","media_asset_id":"med_98715_hls_9e64686ccadd5717","agenda_item_id":null,"speaker_id":"spk_98715_dawn_melson_williams","speaker_confidence":0.95,"start_sec":1547.01,"end_sec":1572.88,"text":"Those properties being located at 317, 319, and 325 West Division Street. I think your packet includes an image to locate these properties on the next page. Those properties are located on the north side of West Division Street, just east of the intersection with North Queen Street. In total, the three properties are a total size of 0.26 acres,","topics_json":"[\"zoning\"]","vector_id":"vec_seg_98715_138","created_at":"2026-10-31T05:11:11Z","speaker_name":"Dawn Melson-Williams"},{"id":"seg_98715_139","meeting_id":"98715","media_asset_id":"med_98715_hls_9e64686ccadd5717","agenda_item_id":null,"speaker_id":"spk_98715_dawn_melson_williams","speaker_confidence":0.95,"start_sec":1572.88,"end_sec":1616.38,"text":"which translates into 11,628 square feet. Currently they are zoned IO, Institutional and Office zone, and the requested or proposed zoning classification is C-1A, Limited Commercial zone. With this action this evening, the application will be referred to the Planning Commission, who will conduct a public hearing and provide a recommendation to City Council regarding the rezoning, and then City Council will conduct its own public hearing on April 13th of this of 2026, in accordance with the process for rezoning outlined in the city's zoning ordinance. Council President.","topics_json":"[\"zoning\"]","vector_id":"vec_seg_98715_139","created_at":"2026-10-31T05:11:11Z","speaker_name":"Dawn Melson-Williams"},{"id":"seg_98715_14","meeting_id":"98715","media_asset_id":"med_98715_hls_9e64686ccadd5717","agenda_item_id":null,"speaker_id":"off_fred_a_neil","speaker_confidence":0.95,"start_sec":233.41,"end_sec":239.21,"text":"Second. Any discussion? Hearing none, I call the motion. Yes, uh Councilwoman Arndt.","topics_json":"[]","vector_id":"vec_seg_98715_14","created_at":"2026-10-31T05:11:11Z","speaker_name":"Fred A. Neil"},{"id":"seg_98715_140","meeting_id":"98715","media_asset_id":"med_98715_hls_9e64686ccadd5717","agenda_item_id":null,"speaker_id":"off_fred_a_neil","speaker_confidence":0.95,"start_sec":1616.38,"end_sec":1620.38,"text":"Questions, Councilman Sudler?","topics_json":"[]","vector_id":"vec_seg_98715_140","created_at":"2026-10-31T05:11:11Z","speaker_name":"Fred A. Neil"},{"id":"seg_98715_141","meeting_id":"98715","media_asset_id":"med_98715_hls_9e64686ccadd5717","agenda_item_id":null,"speaker_id":"off_roy_sudler_jr","speaker_confidence":0.95,"start_sec":1620.38,"end_sec":1672.88,"text":"Thank you, Council President Neil, for recognizing me. Just for the record, can you please define IO for our constituents who may not be, um, you know, planning and zoning savvy?","topics_json":"[\"zoning\"]","vector_id":"vec_seg_98715_141","created_at":"2026-10-31T05:11:11Z","speaker_name":"Roy Sudler, Jr."},{"id":"seg_98715_142","meeting_id":"98715","media_asset_id":"med_98715_hls_9e64686ccadd5717","agenda_item_id":null,"speaker_id":"spk_98715_dawn_melson_williams","speaker_confidence":0.95,"start_sec":1672.88,"end_sec":1679.38,"text":"This is Dawn with the planning office. IO is the Institutional and Office zone.","topics_json":"[\"zoning\"]","vector_id":"vec_seg_98715_142","created_at":"2026-10-31T05:11:11Z","speaker_name":"Dawn Melson-Williams"},{"id":"seg_98715_143","meeting_id":"98715","media_asset_id":"med_98715_hls_9e64686ccadd5717","agenda_item_id":null,"speaker_id":"off_roy_sudler_jr","speaker_confidence":0.95,"start_sec":1679.38,"end_sec":1685.38,"text":"And can you also define what C-1A, what are some of the permitted uses under C-1A?","topics_json":"[\"zoning\"]","vector_id":"vec_seg_98715_143","created_at":"2026-10-31T05:11:11Z","speaker_name":"Roy Sudler, Jr."},{"id":"seg_98715_144","meeting_id":"98715","media_asset_id":"med_98715_hls_9e64686ccadd5717","agenda_item_id":null,"speaker_id":"spk_98715_dawn_melson_williams","speaker_confidence":0.95,"start_sec":1685.38,"end_sec":1702.68,"text":"C-1A is the Limited Commercial zone. It allows for a mix of commercial-style uses ranging from retail to service-type establishments. It also allows for a number of residential components as well.","topics_json":"[\"zoning\",\"housing\",\"business\"]","vector_id":"vec_seg_98715_144","created_at":"2026-10-31T05:11:11Z","speaker_name":"Dawn Melson-Williams"},{"id":"seg_98715_145","meeting_id":"98715","media_asset_id":"med_98715_hls_9e64686ccadd5717","agenda_item_id":null,"speaker_id":"off_roy_sudler_jr","speaker_confidence":0.95,"start_sec":1702.68,"end_sec":1731.18,"text":"Okay. And I ask this ques- thank you for answering those questions. I ask this question because I know that that's in my district. I know that that road is already stressed with concerns from Bennie Smith Funeral Home in regards to the bicycling road system there, and the enormous amount of traffic from the also the body shops and the mechanic shops there. So, leading to my question, which you know was coming, is that a- A, is that a city road, and if it's a city road, is that on the high injury network?","topics_json":"[\"zoning\",\"public_safety\"]","vector_id":"vec_seg_98715_145","created_at":"2026-10-31T05:11:11Z","speaker_name":"Roy Sudler, Jr."},{"id":"seg_98715_146","meeting_id":"98715","media_asset_id":"med_98715_hls_9e64686ccadd5717","agenda_item_id":null,"speaker_id":"spk_98715_dawn_melson_williams","speaker_confidence":0.95,"start_sec":1731.18,"end_sec":1750.48,"text":"This is- this is Dawn with the planning office. These properties front on West Division Street. Division Street is a state-maintained roadway. The adjacent- it is a cor- basically a corner. North Queen Street would be a city street, and then these three properties are also flanked by city alleys.","topics_json":"[\"zoning\"]","vector_id":"vec_seg_98715_146","created_at":"2026-10-31T05:11:11Z","speaker_name":"Dawn Melson-Williams"},{"id":"seg_98715_147","meeting_id":"98715","media_asset_id":"med_98715_hls_9e64686ccadd5717","agenda_item_id":null,"speaker_id":"spk_98715_dawn_melson_williams","speaker_confidence":0.95,"start_sec":1750.48,"end_sec":1769.49,"text":"As to the question about the High Injury Network, I am not familiar with that that study, but certainly as part of the rezoning process, a lot of detail about zoning and any concerns from our regulatory agencies will be expressed through the Development Advisory Committee review process, and focus on the rezoning. Should the property be redeveloped, then that would be a separate application process if they were looking to change how access occurs.","topics_json":"[\"zoning\",\"public_safety\"]","vector_id":"vec_seg_98715_147","created_at":"2026-10-31T05:11:11Z","speaker_name":"Dawn Melson-Williams"},{"id":"seg_98715_148","meeting_id":"98715","media_asset_id":"med_98715_hls_9e64686ccadd5717","agenda_item_id":null,"speaker_id":"off_roy_sudler_jr","speaker_confidence":1,"start_sec":1769.49,"end_sec":1913.07,"text":"Now what's trending is that if municipalities um compound um traffic on an already overstressed and congested uh road system then communities, right now communities are using the High Injury Network um designated area as a argument for uh legal grounds to sue municipalities for congesting their um already identified uh high-risk and high-crash areas leading to um lawsuits. Now there is a study uh a legal study, I think it's uh Barley Plaza that up in New Castle that got successfully sued uh for that uh same very reason. And I believe that if we're going to be progressive planners, that we must uh know about the uh DelDOT Comprehensive Plan for Safe Systems Approach and where our high-injury network systems are right here in Dover uh because it's imperative and it affects the quality of life, which there is a Quality of Life Act that we um are supposed to be adhering to when it comes to progressive planning for our great city and capital of Delaware. Um so therefore, I would suggest uh that we start to um have a closer relationship with DelDOT to make sure that um their Comprehensive Plan for Road System and Safe Systems Approach uh is adhered to also or at least is synchronized with the capital uh of Delaware, we're synchronized with it because it does affect individuals. There are very um the vulnerable road users that DelDOT has done the extensive um research, and actually DelDOT is under federal mandate to have um the the metropolitan planning commission to assess what areas have high-risk and the infrastructure issues. And that's and that's very important because um you know when you're planning and and for the future, um DelDOT has moved away from a level of service planning to a more progressive planning for a safe systems approach planning. So I just wanted to put that out there um that we need to be looking at that because that does impact our communities, the safety of our communities, and vulnerable road users. Uh I yield. Thank you for your explanation of the terms. Thank you.","topics_json":"[\"zoning\",\"public_safety\"]","vector_id":"vec_seg_98715_148","created_at":"2026-10-31T05:11:11Z","speaker_name":"Roy Sudler, Jr."},{"id":"seg_98715_149","meeting_id":"98715","media_asset_id":"med_98715_hls_9e64686ccadd5717","agenda_item_id":null,"speaker_id":"off_fred_a_neil","speaker_confidence":1,"start_sec":1913.07,"end_sec":1915.3,"text":"Any other questions? Yes, Councilman Rocha.","topics_json":"[]","vector_id":"vec_seg_98715_149","created_at":"2026-10-31T05:11:11Z","speaker_name":"Fred A. Neil"},{"id":"seg_98715_15","meeting_id":"98715","media_asset_id":"med_98715_hls_9e64686ccadd5717","agenda_item_id":null,"speaker_id":"off_tricia_k_arndt","speaker_confidence":0.95,"start_sec":239.51,"end_sec":270.21,"text":"Thank you for recognizing me. I I too, I looked at the agenda and I saw that the the most popular item for discussion this evening is is at the end of the agenda. Um, but when I look at the agenda, uh the only items in front of it are um first reading referrals, um and referral to a planning commission. So very very quick items. I was thinking that those that are here for that those items could present and and carry on, and then majority of those that are left for the the final ordinance, we would get to it very quickly. I yield.","topics_json":"[]","vector_id":"vec_seg_98715_15","created_at":"2026-10-31T05:11:11Z","speaker_name":"Tricia K. Arndt"},{"id":"seg_98715_150","meeting_id":"98715","media_asset_id":"med_98715_hls_9e64686ccadd5717","agenda_item_id":null,"speaker_id":"off_gerald_l_rocha_sr","speaker_confidence":1,"start_sec":1915.3,"end_sec":1919.96,"text":"Thank you, Council President. Although I I tend to agree with with what Dr. Sudler is saying, we're not at that point yet though, are we?","topics_json":"[\"zoning\"]","vector_id":"vec_seg_98715_150","created_at":"2026-10-31T05:11:11Z","speaker_name":"Gerald L. Rocha, Sr."},{"id":"seg_98715_151","meeting_id":"98715","media_asset_id":"med_98715_hls_9e64686ccadd5717","agenda_item_id":null,"speaker_id":"spk_98715_dawn_melson_williams","speaker_confidence":1,"start_sec":1919.96,"end_sec":1956.35,"text":"Uh this is Dawn. We are not at that point. Um they are just asking for rezoning of the property. Uh the IO zoning I believe is not uh working for what they hope to utilize uh those existing buildings for at this point.","topics_json":"[\"zoning\"]","vector_id":"vec_seg_98715_151","created_at":"2026-10-31T05:11:11Z","speaker_name":"Dawn Melson-Williams"},{"id":"seg_98715_152","meeting_id":"98715","media_asset_id":"med_98715_hls_9e64686ccadd5717","agenda_item_id":null,"speaker_id":"off_gerald_l_rocha_sr","speaker_confidence":1,"start_sec":1956.35,"end_sec":1963.49,"text":"Right. And then um the the C-1A zoning looks like it's according to this map I'm looking at seems consistent with most of the parcels in that area, correct?","topics_json":"[\"zoning\"]","vector_id":"vec_seg_98715_152","created_at":"2026-10-31T05:11:11Z","speaker_name":"Gerald L. Rocha, Sr."},{"id":"seg_98715_153","meeting_id":"98715","media_asset_id":"med_98715_hls_9e64686ccadd5717","agenda_item_id":null,"speaker_id":"spk_98715_dawn_melson_williams","speaker_confidence":1,"start_sec":1963.49,"end_sec":1966.1,"text":"Again this is Dawn with the planning office. The um the C-","topics_json":"[\"zoning\"]","vector_id":"vec_seg_98715_153","created_at":"2026-10-31T05:11:11Z","speaker_name":"Dawn Melson-Williams"},{"id":"seg_98715_154","meeting_id":"98715","media_asset_id":"med_98715_hls_9e64686ccadd5717","agenda_item_id":null,"speaker_id":"spk_98715_dawn_melson_williams","speaker_confidence":0.95,"start_sec":1966.1,"end_sec":1991.9,"text":"C-1A zoning district is found on nearby properties along the West Division Street corridor. In fact, these three properties previously were zoned C-1A, and a rezoning in 2021 took them to IO at the request of a potential purchaser, but that project did not move forward.","topics_json":"[\"zoning\"]","vector_id":"vec_seg_98715_154","created_at":"2026-10-31T05:11:11Z","speaker_name":"Dawn Melson-Williams"},{"id":"seg_98715_155","meeting_id":"98715","media_asset_id":"med_98715_hls_9e64686ccadd5717","agenda_item_id":null,"speaker_id":"off_brian_e_lewis","speaker_confidence":0.95,"start_sec":1991.9,"end_sec":1999.2,"text":"And the and the properties that we're talking about, there was a car dealership there at at at one point?","topics_json":"[\"zoning\",\"business\"]","vector_id":"vec_seg_98715_155","created_at":"2026-10-31T05:11:11Z","speaker_name":"Brian E. Lewis"},{"id":"seg_98715_156","meeting_id":"98715","media_asset_id":"med_98715_hls_9e64686ccadd5717","agenda_item_id":null,"speaker_id":"spk_98715_dawn_melson_williams","speaker_confidence":0.95,"start_sec":1999.2,"end_sec":2017,"text":"Again, this is Dawn with the Planning Office. Yes, two of the properties were involved in the parking lot area and a building that provided automobile sales and service, and then the third parcel is a single-family residence building.","topics_json":"[\"zoning\",\"business\",\"housing\"]","vector_id":"vec_seg_98715_156","created_at":"2026-10-31T05:11:11Z","speaker_name":"Dawn Melson-Williams"},{"id":"seg_98715_157","meeting_id":"98715","media_asset_id":"med_98715_hls_9e64686ccadd5717","agenda_item_id":null,"speaker_id":"off_brian_e_lewis","speaker_confidence":0.95,"start_sec":2017,"end_sec":2019.5,"text":"Thank you, that's all I have at this time. I yield.","topics_json":"[]","vector_id":"vec_seg_98715_157","created_at":"2026-10-31T05:11:11Z","speaker_name":"Brian E. Lewis"},{"id":"seg_98715_158","meeting_id":"98715","media_asset_id":"med_98715_hls_9e64686ccadd5717","agenda_item_id":null,"speaker_id":"off_fred_a_neil","speaker_confidence":0.95,"start_sec":2019.5,"end_sec":2020.4,"text":"Dr. Sudler.","topics_json":"[]","vector_id":"vec_seg_98715_158","created_at":"2026-10-31T05:11:11Z","speaker_name":"Fred A. Neil"},{"id":"seg_98715_159","meeting_id":"98715","media_asset_id":"med_98715_hls_9e64686ccadd5717","agenda_item_id":null,"speaker_id":"off_roy_sudler_jr","speaker_confidence":0.95,"start_sec":2020.4,"end_sec":2092.9,"text":"Thank you, Council President, for recognizing me. Ms. Williams, at the beginning, towards the end of questions being taking questions, you stated that City Council was charged with whether or not further review is necessary or further review was required. When it comes to further review, what is the scope of further review? Can can we ask for the information that I just posed as a as a notion, as an idea to look at? Like that's how I want to make it official and ask for the, you know,","topics_json":"[\"zoning\"]","vector_id":"vec_seg_98715_159","created_at":"2026-10-31T05:11:11Z","speaker_name":"Roy Sudler, Jr."},{"id":"seg_98715_16","meeting_id":"98715","media_asset_id":"med_98715_hls_9e64686ccadd5717","agenda_item_id":null,"speaker_id":"off_fred_a_neil","speaker_confidence":0.95,"start_sec":270.41,"end_sec":272.71,"text":"Okay, Councilman Sudler.","topics_json":"[]","vector_id":"vec_seg_98715_16","created_at":"2026-10-31T05:11:11Z","speaker_name":"Fred A. Neil"},{"id":"seg_98715_160","meeting_id":"98715","media_asset_id":"med_98715_hls_9e64686ccadd5717","agenda_item_id":null,"speaker_id":"off_roy_sudler_jr","speaker_confidence":0.95,"start_sec":2099.1,"end_sec":2162.71,"text":"the comprehensive plan of DelDOT and whether or not this lies in the Safe Systems area, the high injury area. So in other words, can you just elaborately elaborate on the further review? How how much further can we go? What is the scope of a further review, whether or not council can is asking for further review? Because if if I could ask for that under further review, then I might consider asking for that, that information I brought up. So can you just define further review for me, please, and for our constituents?","topics_json":"[\"zoning\",\"public_safety\"]","vector_id":"vec_seg_98715_160","created_at":"2026-10-31T05:11:11Z","speaker_name":"Roy Sudler, Jr."},{"id":"seg_98715_161","meeting_id":"98715","media_asset_id":"med_98715_hls_9e64686ccadd5717","agenda_item_id":null,"speaker_id":"spk_98715_dawn_melson_williams","speaker_confidence":0.95,"start_sec":2162.71,"end_sec":2162.71,"text":"So there Again, this is Dawn with the Planning Office. Further review, that term I mentioned in the previous request regarding the planned neighborhood design, that is a different process than what we are in here for rezoning. The zoning ordinance lays out the criteria upon which the Planning Commission will base their decision for rezoning, as will Council. This what we're dealing with tonight, the first reading, is really an announcement that an application has been filed. As part of the review process for that rezoning application, it will go through review with our Development Advisory Committee, which is made up of city departments and outside agencies, including DelDOT and the Dover/Kent County MPO. All of those agencies and departments provide comments in regards to the request for rezoning and any advisory comments related to future redevelopment. So that information will","topics_json":"[\"zoning\"]","vector_id":"vec_seg_98715_161","created_at":"2026-10-31T05:11:11Z","speaker_name":"Dawn Melson-Williams"},{"id":"seg_98715_162","meeting_id":"98715","media_asset_id":"med_98715_hls_9e64686ccadd5717","agenda_item_id":null,"speaker_id":"spk_98715_dawn_melson_williams","speaker_confidence":0.95,"start_sec":2162.71,"end_sec":2176.61,"text":"be kind of gathered and presented to the Planning Commission, and also the um that information along with the Planning Commission action will come back to Council when you consider this rezoning application.","topics_json":"[\"zoning\"]","vector_id":"vec_seg_98715_162","created_at":"2026-10-31T05:11:11Z","speaker_name":"Dawn Melson-Williams"},{"id":"seg_98715_163","meeting_id":"98715","media_asset_id":"med_98715_hls_9e64686ccadd5717","agenda_item_id":null,"speaker_id":"off_roy_sudler_jr","speaker_confidence":0.95,"start_sec":2176.61,"end_sec":2203.21,"text":"All right, thank you. So I would just have one request. I'm not going to put in a motion. Um I'm just going to put in a request that those that those departments take a look at the DelDOT 2026 Comprehensive Plan for the Safe Systems Approach uh for development of roadway systems and utilizing roadway systems uh so that we can make sure that the quality of life for our vulnerable road users is high. Are you okay with that?","topics_json":"[\"zoning\",\"public_safety\"]","vector_id":"vec_seg_98715_163","created_at":"2026-10-31T05:11:11Z","speaker_name":"Roy Sudler, Jr."},{"id":"seg_98715_164","meeting_id":"98715","media_asset_id":"med_98715_hls_9e64686ccadd5717","agenda_item_id":null,"speaker_id":"spk_98715_dawn_melson_williams","speaker_confidence":0.95,"start_sec":2203.21,"end_sec":2226.91,"text":"Um I I certainly um one of our partners in development in here in the city is the Dover/Kent County MPO, uh so I think the the planning office can certainly reach out to them to learn more about um these previous studies and references to um that safe system approach to um planning of transportation networks.","topics_json":"[\"zoning\"]","vector_id":"vec_seg_98715_164","created_at":"2026-10-31T05:11:11Z","speaker_name":"Dawn Melson-Williams"},{"id":"seg_98715_165","meeting_id":"98715","media_asset_id":"med_98715_hls_9e64686ccadd5717","agenda_item_id":null,"speaker_id":"off_roy_sudler_jr","speaker_confidence":0.95,"start_sec":2226.91,"end_sec":2233.51,"text":"All right. Great. I greatly appreciate it. I feel much better in decisions I make when I have all the information and data. I yield.","topics_json":"[\"zoning\"]","vector_id":"vec_seg_98715_165","created_at":"2026-10-31T05:11:11Z","speaker_name":"Roy Sudler, Jr."},{"id":"seg_98715_166","meeting_id":"98715","media_asset_id":"med_98715_hls_9e64686ccadd5717","agenda_item_id":null,"speaker_id":"off_fred_a_neil","speaker_confidence":0.95,"start_sec":2233.51,"end_sec":2238.01,"text":"Any further question? What is the pleasure of Council?","topics_json":"[\"zoning\"]","vector_id":"vec_seg_98715_166","created_at":"2026-10-31T05:11:11Z","speaker_name":"Fred A. Neil"},{"id":"seg_98715_167","meeting_id":"98715","media_asset_id":"med_98715_hls_9e64686ccadd5717","agenda_item_id":null,"speaker_id":"off_fred_a_neil","speaker_confidence":0.9,"start_sec":2238.01,"end_sec":2245.91,"text":"Neil moves for the um staff recommendation of sending this to the Planning Commission.","topics_json":"[\"zoning\"]","vector_id":"vec_seg_98715_167","created_at":"2026-10-31T05:11:11Z","speaker_name":"Fred A. Neil"},{"id":"seg_98715_168","meeting_id":"98715","media_asset_id":"med_98715_hls_9e64686ccadd5717","agenda_item_id":null,"speaker_id":"off_gerald_l_rocha_sr","speaker_confidence":0.85,"start_sec":2245.91,"end_sec":2247.11,"text":"Second.","topics_json":"[\"zoning\"]","vector_id":"vec_seg_98715_168","created_at":"2026-10-31T05:11:11Z","speaker_name":"Gerald L. Rocha, Sr."},{"id":"seg_98715_169","meeting_id":"98715","media_asset_id":"med_98715_hls_9e64686ccadd5717","agenda_item_id":null,"speaker_id":"off_fred_a_neil","speaker_confidence":0.95,"start_sec":2247.11,"end_sec":2251.41,"text":"Is all Uh any other questions? If not, voice vote. All in favor?","topics_json":"[\"zoning\"]","vector_id":"vec_seg_98715_169","created_at":"2026-10-31T05:11:11Z","speaker_name":"Fred A. Neil"},{"id":"seg_98715_17","meeting_id":"98715","media_asset_id":"med_98715_hls_9e64686ccadd5717","agenda_item_id":null,"speaker_id":"off_roy_sudler_jr","speaker_confidence":0.95,"start_sec":272.81,"end_sec":297.01,"text":"Thank you. Thank you for recognizing me. Um and I I do concur with with the fact that the agenda is um short, but based on the fact that a lot of individuals did not get opportunity to speak during the public forum and may have somewhere else to be out of consideration for them, I think that it would be proper to move this ahead.","topics_json":"[]","vector_id":"vec_seg_98715_17","created_at":"2026-10-31T05:11:11Z","speaker_name":"Roy Sudler, Jr."},{"id":"seg_98715_170","meeting_id":"98715","media_asset_id":"med_98715_hls_9e64686ccadd5717","agenda_item_id":null,"speaker_id":"spk_98715_council_members","speaker_confidence":0.9,"start_sec":2251.41,"end_sec":2253.11,"text":"Aye.","topics_json":"[\"zoning\"]","vector_id":"vec_seg_98715_170","created_at":"2026-10-31T05:11:11Z","speaker_name":null},{"id":"seg_98715_171","meeting_id":"98715","media_asset_id":"med_98715_hls_9e64686ccadd5717","agenda_item_id":null,"speaker_id":"off_fred_a_neil","speaker_confidence":0.95,"start_sec":2253.11,"end_sec":2254.51,"text":"Any opposed?","topics_json":"[\"zoning\"]","vector_id":"vec_seg_98715_171","created_at":"2026-10-31T05:11:11Z","speaker_name":"Fred A. Neil"},{"id":"seg_98715_172","meeting_id":"98715","media_asset_id":"med_98715_hls_9e64686ccadd5717","agenda_item_id":null,"speaker_id":"off_roy_sudler_jr","speaker_confidence":0.95,"start_sec":2254.51,"end_sec":2255.51,"text":"No.","topics_json":"[\"zoning\"]","vector_id":"vec_seg_98715_172","created_at":"2026-10-31T05:11:11Z","speaker_name":"Roy Sudler, Jr."},{"id":"seg_98715_173","meeting_id":"98715","media_asset_id":"med_98715_hls_9e64686ccadd5717","agenda_item_id":null,"speaker_id":"off_fred_a_neil","speaker_confidence":0.95,"start_sec":2255.51,"end_sec":2266.91,"text":"It passes with one no. Uh Madam Clerk, uh please introduce the uh ordinance in accordance to Section 1-9 of the Dover Code.","topics_json":"[\"zoning\"]","vector_id":"vec_seg_98715_173","created_at":"2026-10-31T05:11:11Z","speaker_name":"Fred A. Neil"},{"id":"seg_98715_174","meeting_id":"98715","media_asset_id":"med_98715_hls_9e64686ccadd5717","agenda_item_id":null,"speaker_id":"spk_98715_city_clerk","speaker_confidence":0.95,"start_sec":2266.91,"end_sec":2288.41,"text":"Ordinance number 2026-08 amending the zoning ordinance and zoning map of the City of Dover by changing the zoning zoning designation of properties located at 317, 319, 325 West Division Street. This constitutes the first reading. The final reading is scheduled to take place on April 13th, 2026.","topics_json":"[\"zoning\"]","vector_id":"vec_seg_98715_174","created_at":"2026-10-31T05:11:11Z","speaker_name":"City Clerk"},{"id":"seg_98715_175","meeting_id":"98715","media_asset_id":"med_98715_hls_9e64686ccadd5717","agenda_item_id":null,"speaker_id":"off_fred_a_neil","speaker_confidence":0.95,"start_sec":2288.41,"end_sec":2289.51,"text":"Thank you.","topics_json":"[]","vector_id":"vec_seg_98715_175","created_at":"2026-10-31T05:11:11Z","speaker_name":"Fred A. Neil"},{"id":"seg_98715_176","meeting_id":"98715","media_asset_id":"med_98715_hls_9e64686ccadd5717","agenda_item_id":null,"speaker_id":"off_roy_sudler_jr","speaker_confidence":0.95,"start_sec":2289.51,"end_sec":2290.71,"text":"Council President?","topics_json":"[]","vector_id":"vec_seg_98715_176","created_at":"2026-10-31T05:11:11Z","speaker_name":"Roy Sudler, Jr."},{"id":"seg_98715_177","meeting_id":"98715","media_asset_id":"med_98715_hls_9e64686ccadd5717","agenda_item_id":null,"speaker_id":"off_fred_a_neil","speaker_confidence":0.95,"start_sec":2290.71,"end_sec":2293.31,"text":"Yes, sir. Councilman Sudler.","topics_json":"[]","vector_id":"vec_seg_98715_177","created_at":"2026-10-31T05:11:11Z","speaker_name":"Fred A. Neil"},{"id":"seg_98715_178","meeting_id":"98715","media_asset_id":"med_98715_hls_9e64686ccadd5717","agenda_item_id":null,"speaker_id":"off_roy_sudler_jr","speaker_confidence":0.95,"start_sec":2293.31,"end_sec":2308.41,"text":"Thank you, Council President, for recognizing. I just want to state for the record uh the reason why I voted no is because I believe I need information pertaining pertaining to traffic in order to make sound decisions that's going to affect vulnerable road users. Thank you. I yield.","topics_json":"[\"zoning\",\"public_safety\"]","vector_id":"vec_seg_98715_178","created_at":"2026-10-31T05:11:11Z","speaker_name":"Roy Sudler, Jr."},{"id":"seg_98715_179","meeting_id":"98715","media_asset_id":"med_98715_hls_9e64686ccadd5717","agenda_item_id":null,"speaker_id":"off_fred_a_neil","speaker_confidence":0.95,"start_sec":2308.41,"end_sec":2341.21,"text":"Uh what is this? This is this this. Okay. Now we have the final reading proposed ordinance. The first reading of the proposed ordinance was accomplished during the council meeting of December the 8th, 2025. The ordinance is available at the entrance of the Council Chambers, or at the city website at www.cityofdover.com under Government. First I'll entertain a motion to consider the final reading by title only. A separate motion will be necessary for its adoption. What is the pleasure of the Council?","topics_json":"[]","vector_id":"vec_seg_98715_179","created_at":"2026-10-31T05:11:11Z","speaker_name":"Fred A. Neil"},{"id":"seg_98715_18","meeting_id":"98715","media_asset_id":"med_98715_hls_9e64686ccadd5717","agenda_item_id":null,"speaker_id":"off_fred_a_neil","speaker_confidence":0.95,"start_sec":300.11,"end_sec":330.11,"text":"Any other questions? Any other comments? We have members of the of staff who stayed for these items that they have to testify on. And in consideration of that, I would prefer that we just go through this this agenda. It's a very short agenda, and they will have a chance to speak at that time. We'll call for a vote. Um, all in favor should we call by roll call vote. We'll have a roll call vote on it.","topics_json":"[]","vector_id":"vec_seg_98715_18","created_at":"2026-10-31T05:11:11Z","speaker_name":"Fred A. Neil"},{"id":"seg_98715_180","meeting_id":"98715","media_asset_id":"med_98715_hls_9e64686ccadd5717","agenda_item_id":null,"speaker_id":"off_tricia_k_arndt","speaker_confidence":0.95,"start_sec":2341.21,"end_sec":2344.41,"text":"I move to consider the ordinance by title only.","topics_json":"[]","vector_id":"vec_seg_98715_180","created_at":"2026-10-31T05:11:11Z","speaker_name":"Tricia K. Arndt"},{"id":"seg_98715_181","meeting_id":"98715","media_asset_id":"med_98715_hls_9e64686ccadd5717","agenda_item_id":null,"speaker_id":"off_roy_sudler_jr","speaker_confidence":0.95,"start_sec":2344.41,"end_sec":2345.71,"text":"Second by Sudler.","topics_json":"[]","vector_id":"vec_seg_98715_181","created_at":"2026-10-31T05:11:11Z","speaker_name":"Roy Sudler, Jr."},{"id":"seg_98715_182","meeting_id":"98715","media_asset_id":"med_98715_hls_9e64686ccadd5717","agenda_item_id":null,"speaker_id":"off_fred_a_neil","speaker_confidence":0.95,"start_sec":2345.71,"end_sec":2349.21,"text":"Moved and seconded. All in favor, please say aye.","topics_json":"[]","vector_id":"vec_seg_98715_182","created_at":"2026-10-31T05:11:11Z","speaker_name":"Fred A. 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Neil"},{"id":"seg_98715_185","meeting_id":"98715","media_asset_id":"med_98715_hls_9e64686ccadd5717","agenda_item_id":null,"speaker_id":"off_fred_a_neil","speaker_confidence":0.95,"start_sec":2359.32,"end_sec":2374.72,"text":"ordinance. Ordinance 2025-21, amending chapter 106, traffic and vehicles, article 3, stopping, standing, parking, by adding section 106-139, pedestrian safety. Councilman Anderson.","topics_json":"[\"public_safety\"]","vector_id":"vec_seg_98715_185","created_at":"2026-10-31T05:11:11Z","speaker_name":"Fred A. Neil"},{"id":"seg_98715_186","meeting_id":"98715","media_asset_id":"med_98715_hls_9e64686ccadd5717","agenda_item_id":null,"speaker_id":"off_david_l_anderson","speaker_confidence":0.95,"start_sec":2374.72,"end_sec":2555.92,"text":"Uh thank you, Mr. President. I'm going to uh keep my re- remarks a little bit short so that uh Chief Johnson has time to uh give his point of view on it. The uh I think we we've discussed this ordinance uh many times and you pretty well know the items that it covers. It's a pedestrian safety ordinance that deals with the with basically keeping the intersections and the medians uh flowing and and free of uh those who um are not using them for their intended purposes, and also deals with uh the idea of of people who are walking out into the roads. Uh because you technically until you cross the road, you're not jaywalking, so so this just makes it a lot easier to enforce. It makes it a status offense instead of a uh having a hodgepodge of of rules, which makes it uh harder, particularly where one has to find a victim to complain, which is one reason why the laws are are almost uh unenforceable currently. Uh the city has uh authority to deal with uh this issue, the council and section 18 and uh charter which is state law talks about the authority council is vested to adopt ordinances of every kind relating to any subject within the powers and functions of the city or relating to city government, its peace, its order, sanitation, appearance, beauty, the health, safety, and convenience, and comfort of its population, and the protection, preservation of property, uh et cetera, and to um, and then in and one of those uh is uh streets, sidewalks, et cetera, and the control in section 29 of uh council, the streets, sidewalks, lanes, and alleys in the city shall be under supervision, management, control of the council and council may and and so on. And that that is uh So um this is uh something that we uh can do, we and something we should do. And we should do it because life is precious. This ordinance will potentially save lives, improve the orderly working of the city. It's designed not to hurt anyone. No one ever has to be fined under it uh because it has a warning provision first. It takes effect in July to give people a chance to adapt or transition uh to get help if that's uh what's their motivation. While the activists focus is on the effect of panhandling, it's not mentioned in the ordinance because it is a comprehensive approach to pedestrian safety. The Does the city have the power? Yes, we discussed that in the charter. Uh it is uh and if it weren't, the Attorney General would have uh graciously","topics_json":"[\"public_safety\",\"homelessness\"]","vector_id":"vec_seg_98715_186","created_at":"2026-10-31T05:11:11Z","speaker_name":"David L. Anderson"},{"id":"seg_98715_187","meeting_id":"98715","media_asset_id":"med_98715_hls_9e64686ccadd5717","agenda_item_id":null,"speaker_id":"off_david_l_anderson","speaker_confidence":0.95,"start_sec":2555.94,"end_sec":2607.44,"text":"...pointed that out. It's the, it is based upon a national model, upheld by the courts, and adopted in over 50 communities. It has been enforced by the - it's been endorsed by the business community, our citizens, five police chiefs of Dover, four former and the current, four, three former safety chairs, and a former Secretary of Transportation. It's about safety and the ability of our police to have a simple and understandable rule to enforce, instead of a patchwork that does, does not apply in many circumstances, and requires a victim to enforce. The people want it, the businesses want it, many medical professionals want it, our law enforcers want it. Let them have the tools they need. This is an easy step, let's not falter here. And uh Chief, I yield to you.","topics_json":"[\"public_safety\",\"business\"]","vector_id":"vec_seg_98715_187","created_at":"2026-10-31T05:11:11Z","speaker_name":"David L. Anderson"},{"id":"seg_98715_188","meeting_id":"98715","media_asset_id":"med_98715_hls_9e64686ccadd5717","agenda_item_id":null,"speaker_id":"spk_98715_thomas_johnson","speaker_confidence":0.9,"start_sec":2607.44,"end_sec":2611.34,"text":"Thank you, Mr. Anderson. Um, with the Council's permission -","topics_json":"[\"public_safety\"]","vector_id":"vec_seg_98715_188","created_at":"2026-10-31T05:11:11Z","speaker_name":"Thomas Johnson"},{"id":"seg_98715_189","meeting_id":"98715","media_asset_id":"med_98715_hls_9e64686ccadd5717","agenda_item_id":null,"speaker_id":"off_fred_a_neil","speaker_confidence":0.95,"start_sec":2611.34,"end_sec":2613.44,"text":"Yes, sir. Chief, please.","topics_json":"[\"public_safety\"]","vector_id":"vec_seg_98715_189","created_at":"2026-10-31T05:11:11Z","speaker_name":"Fred A. Neil"},{"id":"seg_98715_19","meeting_id":"98715","media_asset_id":"med_98715_hls_9e64686ccadd5717","agenda_item_id":null,"speaker_id":"spk_98715_city_clerk","speaker_confidence":0.95,"start_sec":330.31,"end_sec":331.41,"text":"Ms. Hall?","topics_json":"[]","vector_id":"vec_seg_98715_19","created_at":"2026-10-31T05:11:11Z","speaker_name":"City Clerk"},{"id":"seg_98715_190","meeting_id":"98715","media_asset_id":"med_98715_hls_9e64686ccadd5717","agenda_item_id":null,"speaker_id":"spk_98715_thomas_johnson","speaker_confidence":0.95,"start_sec":2613.44,"end_sec":2752.54,"text":"If you, um, apologize for um, I didn't have prepared remarks uh for this evening. Um, but I will um try and summarize um the best I can. I'll I'll lead with I join the previous police chiefs and other public safety professionals in regards to keeping uh pedestrians out of uh pedestrian safety problems, i.e., uh in traffic situations um where they're defenseless, uh unable to uh win the battle of science um should there be some type of a collision either directly or indirectly in their proximity. Uh, I understand all the the points of view that have surrounded this uh discussion uh in the months leading up to this evening. Uh, I think in the aggregate, um, I would ask um Council to perhaps place their trust in the officers, the folks uh that I have the privilege to lead, to use appropriate discretion in the application of this ordinance should you see fit to pass it. The idea that um there would be a warning, an idea that we would use the least uh intrusive means to gain compliance with the local law, um is something that we don't even need to be codified. Um, that that's kind of how we function. That's how a community policing uh oriented police department functions. Uh, I would uh suggest to you that right now we do have a gap in the law, um while still on the books at the state level, we are under Attorney General's written directive to not address this very specific circumstance. Um, while there are a few potential applicable sections of the state law that we could use, as Councilman Anderson mentioned, they are not status offenses. They require a cooperating victim or a cooperating witness uh for us to proceed. The gap in the law is recognized in the draft language that I believe has been in recent publication in uh various media in Delaware where there's very specific language about uh pedestrians on median strips uh in this bill that has yet to be given a number and yet to be introduced in the State Assembly. But I expect it will be um considered and debated uh during the current se-","topics_json":"[\"public_safety\"]","vector_id":"vec_seg_98715_190","created_at":"2026-10-31T05:11:11Z","speaker_name":"Thomas Johnson"},{"id":"seg_98715_191","meeting_id":"98715","media_asset_id":"med_98715_hls_9e64686ccadd5717","agenda_item_id":null,"speaker_id":"spk_98715_thomas_johnson","speaker_confidence":0.9,"start_sec":2752.55,"end_sec":2949.15,"text":"the idea that pedestrians in medians would be uh outlawed if this um if this draft bill at the state level survives mostly as it's currently constructed. Of course through debate they can change the language any way they'd like. So we're in a little bit of an in-between space and time right now. Uh if that state law eventually comes, that would give us the necessary authority to do the things that we need to do if somebody's not manifestly under the influence. Um under the influences a bit of a subjective term, so it's always going to come down to uh a particular officer or paramedics uh judgment if the EMS is called to the scene uh as to whether somebody is not sober enough um to be where they are. Um so we would, in effect, have, uh pending any uh challenge or court test, uh if there ends up being a court opinion issued on this ordinance we would clearly follow that, but between that moment and then uh it would give us that status offense that we don't currently have um to take action when we feel it's appropriate. Uh I can affirmatively state that there will be no targeted special operation to begin monitoring intersections and trying to see how many people that we can catch. It's not about um generating enforcement uh numbers. I think uh the quality of life presentation that I gave back in October kind of lets you know how I felt about how well the system works um when we try enforcement uh as a solution, um but it does give us a mechanism to get people to actually leave uh the median strip and get out of harm's way. Uh the police department is not chiming in on the um the panhandling debate or other issues uh related to all the at-risk populations that we serve every day in Dover. Um I'm not say- I'm not addressing any of that right now. Uh I'm speaking strictly through the lens of uh a former provider uh as a um I guess 30 God, 37-year paramedic at this point who took a lot of trauma patients to the hospital. Um prevention is always the best medicine. Um my policing profession has changed how I address uh the victims of injury and accident uh when it comes to transportation-related accidents. Uh I think um this will have um at the end of the day more benefit than it has any um detraction from the posture that the city takes in trying to make sure that we balance compassion with accountability and doing only things that are necessary to protect life. Um our only two pedestrian fatalities, I've said this before and I'll say it one last time, our only two pedestrian fatalities last year were not necessarily on medians at intersections, but they were members of at-risk populations that our Behavioral Health Unit had files on, that were in close proximity to traffic, and they stepped in in harm's way, and they did not survive. Um so I've said before when it relates to any kind of violence or any kind of um tragedy, one is too many, and I don't remember I don't remember who said it, but I I will end with a statement that I did hear in one of the previous sessions that if we can prevent the first death in recent memory in one of these uh circumstances um because of an intersection collision that spins a car out of control at an odd angle or just straight up somebody jumps the curb and hits somebody, um why wouldn't we want to do that?","topics_json":"[\"public_safety\"]","vector_id":"vec_seg_98715_191","created_at":"2026-10-31T05:11:11Z","speaker_name":"Thomas Johnson"},{"id":"seg_98715_192","meeting_id":"98715","media_asset_id":"med_98715_hls_9e64686ccadd5717","agenda_item_id":null,"speaker_id":"spk_98715_council_member","speaker_confidence":0.7,"start_sec":2949.16,"end_sec":2950.46,"text":"and uh, I will yield, yield back.","topics_json":"[]","vector_id":"vec_seg_98715_192","created_at":"2026-10-31T05:11:11Z","speaker_name":null},{"id":"seg_98715_193","meeting_id":"98715","media_asset_id":"med_98715_hls_9e64686ccadd5717","agenda_item_id":null,"speaker_id":"off_fred_a_neil","speaker_confidence":0.95,"start_sec":2950.46,"end_sec":2952.51,"text":"Questions? Councilman uh Sudler.","topics_json":"[]","vector_id":"vec_seg_98715_193","created_at":"2026-10-31T05:11:11Z","speaker_name":"Fred A. Neil"},{"id":"seg_98715_194","meeting_id":"98715","media_asset_id":"med_98715_hls_9e64686ccadd5717","agenda_item_id":null,"speaker_id":"off_roy_sudler_jr","speaker_confidence":0.95,"start_sec":2952.51,"end_sec":2972.2,"text":"Thank you, Council President Neil, for recognizing me. This question is for uh the Chief. Uh Chief, would you feel that, do you feel that um someone providing uh an individual who is on the median um money for whatever reason, uh do you feel that would be considered an obstruction of justice because it's, you know, outlawed? And how would you weigh weigh that out when it comes to uh the constituents who are giving money out of the goodness of their heart?","topics_json":"[\"public_safety\",\"homelessness\"]","vector_id":"vec_seg_98715_194","created_at":"2026-10-31T05:11:11Z","speaker_name":"Roy Sudler, Jr."},{"id":"seg_98715_195","meeting_id":"98715","media_asset_id":"med_98715_hls_9e64686ccadd5717","agenda_item_id":null,"speaker_id":"spk_98715_thomas_johnson","speaker_confidence":0.95,"start_sec":2972.2,"end_sec":3028.52,"text":"Uh Dr. Sudler, the um uh I wouldn't call it obstruction of justice. I uh um at the most I could call it would be obstruction of the of the flow of traffic. Um I would not anticipate um grievous injury or um serious collisions in that scenario, but I believe that language exists in in this this draft of the ordinance based on other ordinances and and the wisdom that's been collected about um, especially in heavy traffic flow when multiple cars are following in in short succession, um in an accident investigation universe we call, we kind of call this what they call caravanning, when everybody's kind of moving and they're looking at the light and I'm I'm wondering if I'm going to get up there before it turns red, and then all of a sudden, because I I don't want to wait another light cycle, um all of a sudden the car in front of you, who really didn't have any other reason to stop, all of a sudden","topics_json":"[\"public_safety\"]","vector_id":"vec_seg_98715_195","created_at":"2026-10-31T05:11:11Z","speaker_name":"Thomas Johnson"},{"id":"seg_98715_196","meeting_id":"98715","media_asset_id":"med_98715_hls_9e64686ccadd5717","agenda_item_id":null,"speaker_id":"spk_98715_thomas_johnson","speaker_confidence":0.95,"start_sec":3029.83,"end_sec":3078.14,"text":"stops short, sticks a dollar out the window, you weren't ready for it, you hit him in the back, and nobody's going to the hospital, cars probably aren't disabled, but now we have, we have a minor accident in a in a flowing traffic lane. And the idea being you could probably work that transaction out some other way if you knew you weren't allowed to stop in a in a moving traffic lane. Um the benevolence part of that act, I got no issue with. It's just the the time and the methodology is is the thing that probably doesn't cause as many injuries, but it does cause property damage and and minor accidents, and I believe that's the spirit as to why it's included in the uh draft ordinance.","topics_json":"[\"public_safety\",\"homelessness\"]","vector_id":"vec_seg_98715_196","created_at":"2026-10-31T05:11:11Z","speaker_name":"Thomas Johnson"},{"id":"seg_98715_197","meeting_id":"98715","media_asset_id":"med_98715_hls_9e64686ccadd5717","agenda_item_id":null,"speaker_id":"off_roy_sudler_jr","speaker_confidence":0.95,"start_sec":3078.14,"end_sec":3099.19,"text":"Um thank you, and and and I and I understand that. Um and just from your knowledge, I think some at some lights, the caution light, the timing is different from different intersections. Is that correct? I think, cuz I had to learn that out a little bit, too. Cuz I was one of those individuals that like, you know, the light just turned, you know, green and now it's, you know, yellow and and red. Right. So there are intersections that the timing is a little different than most, um which contributes to probably that. But uh thank you for answering my question. I yield.","topics_json":"[\"public_safety\"]","vector_id":"vec_seg_98715_197","created_at":"2026-10-31T05:11:11Z","speaker_name":"Roy Sudler, Jr."},{"id":"seg_98715_198","meeting_id":"98715","media_asset_id":"med_98715_hls_9e64686ccadd5717","agenda_item_id":null,"speaker_id":"off_fred_a_neil","speaker_confidence":0.95,"start_sec":3099.44,"end_sec":3106.09,"text":"Any questions? With hearing no other questions, we I would uh request that we open to the people who have signed up to speak on this.","topics_json":"[]","vector_id":"vec_seg_98715_198","created_at":"2026-10-31T05:11:11Z","speaker_name":"Fred A. Neil"},{"id":"seg_98715_199","meeting_id":"98715","media_asset_id":"med_98715_hls_9e64686ccadd5717","agenda_item_id":null,"speaker_id":"off_david_l_anderson","speaker_confidence":0.9,"start_sec":3106.4,"end_sec":3136.52,"text":"So moved. Uh we move that we open, Mr. President. I move that we open a public hearing for the people who have signed up, Mr. President.","topics_json":"[]","vector_id":"vec_seg_98715_199","created_at":"2026-10-31T05:11:11Z","speaker_name":"David L. Anderson"},{"id":"seg_98715_2","meeting_id":"98715","media_asset_id":"med_98715_hls_9e64686ccadd5717","agenda_item_id":null,"speaker_id":"off_andre_m_boggerty","speaker_confidence":0.95,"start_sec":7.45,"end_sec":127.99,"text":"Let us pray. Eternal wise God, Creator of all people and source of all justice and mercy, we pause at the beginning of this meeting to acknowledge our dependence upon Your wisdom and guidance. We thank You for the privilege of public service and for the trust placed in those who lead this city. Remind us that leadership is not about power, but about stewardship; not about position, but about responsibility to the people we serve. During this sacred season, many in our community observe Lent, a time of reflection, sacrifice, and renewal, while others observe Ramadan, a season of fasting, prayer, generosity, and spiritual discipline. Though expressed through different traditions, both call us toward humility, compassion, and a deeper concern for our neighbors. May these holy seasons inspire all of us to lead with a renewed heart. Grant this Council wisdom to make decisions that are fair, thoughtful, and guided by the common good rather than personal interest. Grant us courage to do what is right even in difficult even if it's difficult or unpopular. Grant our hearts uh committed to service, grant us hearts committed to service, remembering those whose voices are unheard, those struggling in our neighborhoods, and those deep and depending on our on the outcomes of our work tonight. And grant our city peace, peace in our deliberations, peace among our residents, and peace that strengthen unity across every background, belief, and experience. Help us listen with respect, speak with integrity, and act with humility so that our decisions reflect justice, compassion, hope for the future of this community. May our work tonight contribute to a city where every person is valued, every family has opportunity, and every neighborhood can flourish. We offer this prayer in the spirit of unity and shared purpose, and we take a moment as we celebrate the life of public servants such as Jesse Jackson whose tenure has ended. Amen.","topics_json":"[]","vector_id":"vec_seg_98715_2","created_at":"2026-10-31T05:11:11Z","speaker_name":"Andre M. Boggerty"},{"id":"seg_98715_20","meeting_id":"98715","media_asset_id":"med_98715_hls_9e64686ccadd5717","agenda_item_id":null,"speaker_id":"off_donyale_m_hall","speaker_confidence":0.95,"start_sec":332.41,"end_sec":345.81,"text":"I'm in favor of moving ahead um with the agenda and for all the attendees um for reasons. But our city officials know if it's going to be brief, I agree that we should move forward. My My vote is no.","topics_json":"[]","vector_id":"vec_seg_98715_20","created_at":"2026-10-31T05:11:11Z","speaker_name":"Donyale M. Hall"},{"id":"seg_98715_200","meeting_id":"98715","media_asset_id":"med_98715_hls_9e64686ccadd5717","agenda_item_id":null,"speaker_id":"off_fred_a_neil","speaker_confidence":0.95,"start_sec":3136.83,"end_sec":3138.69,"text":"Okay. Thank you, sir. Uh do we need a second?","topics_json":"[]","vector_id":"vec_seg_98715_200","created_at":"2026-10-31T05:11:11Z","speaker_name":"Fred A. Neil"},{"id":"seg_98715_201","meeting_id":"98715","media_asset_id":"med_98715_hls_9e64686ccadd5717","agenda_item_id":null,"speaker_id":"off_roy_sudler_jr","speaker_confidence":0.95,"start_sec":3138.75,"end_sec":3139.62,"text":"Second by Sudler.","topics_json":"[]","vector_id":"vec_seg_98715_201","created_at":"2026-10-31T05:11:11Z","speaker_name":"Roy Sudler, Jr."},{"id":"seg_98715_202","meeting_id":"98715","media_asset_id":"med_98715_hls_9e64686ccadd5717","agenda_item_id":null,"speaker_id":"off_fred_a_neil","speaker_confidence":0.95,"start_sec":3139.68,"end_sec":3140.37,"text":"Okay. All in favor?","topics_json":"[]","vector_id":"vec_seg_98715_202","created_at":"2026-10-31T05:11:11Z","speaker_name":"Fred A. 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Neil"},{"id":"seg_98715_205","meeting_id":"98715","media_asset_id":"med_98715_hls_9e64686ccadd5717","agenda_item_id":null,"speaker_id":"spk_98715_city_clerk","speaker_confidence":0.95,"start_sec":3144.09,"end_sec":3145.77,"text":"First, we have Paul Johnston. Can you","topics_json":"[]","vector_id":"vec_seg_98715_205","created_at":"2026-10-31T05:11:11Z","speaker_name":"City Clerk"},{"id":"seg_98715_206","meeting_id":"98715","media_asset_id":"med_98715_hls_9e64686ccadd5717","agenda_item_id":null,"speaker_id":"spk_98715_city_clerk","speaker_confidence":0.9,"start_sec":3145.77,"end_sec":3147.67,"text":"Bring the microphone closer. Thank you.","topics_json":"[]","vector_id":"vec_seg_98715_206","created_at":"2026-10-31T05:11:11Z","speaker_name":"City Clerk"},{"id":"seg_98715_207","meeting_id":"98715","media_asset_id":"med_98715_hls_9e64686ccadd5717","agenda_item_id":null,"speaker_id":"spk_98715_public_commenter","speaker_confidence":0.85,"start_sec":3147.67,"end_sec":3289.47,"text":"I came to address the uh issue of people jumping in the road all the time. I come down here and do a lot of business, go to my doctors, all that. On Route 8, there's a group of them. When you're turning, you're lucky if you don't hit them because they jump out automatically at you, trying to get you to give them money and stuff. Same thing happens over at the Wawa when you turn to go to the Capital. There's a group of guys out there doing the same thing. Same thing happens when you go to Lowe's, goes you go into Sam's Club, or you go into Bob Evans. It's a whole strip on 13. It's a danger to a lot of people, like the the the officer said. When you turn around and you come in, the light it's started it's turning and all of a sudden somebody stops when the traffic is moving because somebody jumps out off the curb and is right there in the street to try to get money. Something needs to be done either to create a safe zone for people to do it, or turn around and move it out of those busy intersections because it is a danger to people and to other people who are in the cars, because you could have an an accident. Like, you're saying rear-ending, it could cause damage or injuries to other people, or we could accidentally kill somebody because they jump in the road. It's common, everyday thing here. I would appreciate it if you would turn around and pass this bill, and make it a rule, and if you would turn around and look at if there's a safer place that people who want to do something, they could go to in a safer zone. Because in these high-traffic areas, it's too dangerous. Thank you.","topics_json":"[\"public_safety\"]","vector_id":"vec_seg_98715_207","created_at":"2026-10-31T05:11:11Z","speaker_name":null},{"id":"seg_98715_208","meeting_id":"98715","media_asset_id":"med_98715_hls_9e64686ccadd5717","agenda_item_id":null,"speaker_id":"off_fred_a_neil","speaker_confidence":0.95,"start_sec":3289.47,"end_sec":3291.17,"text":"Thank you. Madam Clerk.","topics_json":"[]","vector_id":"vec_seg_98715_208","created_at":"2026-10-31T05:11:11Z","speaker_name":"Fred A. Neil"},{"id":"seg_98715_209","meeting_id":"98715","media_asset_id":"med_98715_hls_9e64686ccadd5717","agenda_item_id":null,"speaker_id":"spk_98715_city_clerk","speaker_confidence":0.95,"start_sec":3291.17,"end_sec":3293.67,"text":"Next is Tracey Johnson.","topics_json":"[]","vector_id":"vec_seg_98715_209","created_at":"2026-10-31T05:11:11Z","speaker_name":"City Clerk"},{"id":"seg_98715_21","meeting_id":"98715","media_asset_id":"med_98715_hls_9e64686ccadd5717","agenda_item_id":null,"speaker_id":"spk_98715_city_clerk","speaker_confidence":0.95,"start_sec":346.11,"end_sec":348.31,"text":"Mr. Boggerty?","topics_json":"[]","vector_id":"vec_seg_98715_21","created_at":"2026-10-31T05:11:11Z","speaker_name":"City Clerk"},{"id":"seg_98715_210","meeting_id":"98715","media_asset_id":"med_98715_hls_9e64686ccadd5717","agenda_item_id":null,"speaker_id":"spk_98715_tracey_johnson","speaker_confidence":0.95,"start_sec":3293.67,"end_sec":3339.27,"text":"Good evening, members of the town council of Dover. My name is Tracey Johnson and I live on the outskirts of Smyrna, and although I don't live in Dover, I patronize businesses almost daily, many businesses and restaurants. I am here to support the proposed Ordinance 25 20 2025-21 regarding pedestrian safety. I am concerned for not only the people who are in on those medians or along the sides of the roads, but for the drivers on those roadways in your in your city. While I understand that this ordinance does not mention panhandling specifically, I would like to address the following incidents. I have had several run-ins with people who are in the median or on the sides of the roads all around the city of Dover. One particular incident was on the corner of Route 13 and KW Boulevard at Sam's Club. I watched a woman go from the median over to the right turn lane to grab something from the driver. The light turned green and she was almost hit by other cars trying to turn left. They had to swerve to miss her. Another time was near Route 8 by the Modern Maturity Center. There were people walking up and down the median so close to the cars that only one slip could get them hit. There are several others, but my time is limited. I urge each and every one of you to vote in favor of this ordinance. When the officer stated that the ordinance only saves one person, that one person matters. Please pass this ordinance. Thank you.","topics_json":"[\"public_safety\"]","vector_id":"vec_seg_98715_210","created_at":"2026-10-31T05:11:11Z","speaker_name":"Tracey Johnson"},{"id":"seg_98715_211","meeting_id":"98715","media_asset_id":"med_98715_hls_9e64686ccadd5717","agenda_item_id":null,"speaker_id":"off_fred_a_neil","speaker_confidence":0.95,"start_sec":3339.27,"end_sec":3341.17,"text":"Thank you. Madam Clerk.","topics_json":"[]","vector_id":"vec_seg_98715_211","created_at":"2026-10-31T05:11:11Z","speaker_name":"Fred A. Neil"},{"id":"seg_98715_212","meeting_id":"98715","media_asset_id":"med_98715_hls_9e64686ccadd5717","agenda_item_id":null,"speaker_id":"spk_98715_city_clerk","speaker_confidence":0.9,"start_sec":3341.17,"end_sec":3342.37,"text":"Roland--","topics_json":"[]","vector_id":"vec_seg_98715_212","created_at":"2026-10-31T05:11:11Z","speaker_name":"City Clerk"},{"id":"seg_98715_213","meeting_id":"98715","media_asset_id":"med_98715_hls_9e64686ccadd5717","agenda_item_id":null,"speaker_id":"spk_98715_yolanda_mane","speaker_confidence":0.95,"start_sec":3342.38,"end_sec":3506.58,"text":"Yolanda Mane, City of Dover. Um, I have a, out of the two commenters, um, I do have something to say in the case of the driver. Um, before I start my spiel is if you're driving your car, you shouldn't be on the cell phone, you should be paying attention to what's in front of you. So if there's a person jumping into a median or jumping off a median or getting money from something, you should see that person and not be having your eyes down on something you can't see for one thing. So it's not the panhandlers that are the problem. It's the driver sometimes that are the problem that aren't paying attention. If you're going to back into somebody because they're stopped at a red light and they decided not to go because there's a car coming, then you want to know what? They're protecting themselves and you from getting hit by somebody who's not paying attention on the road. As for panhandling and this ordinance, I'm going to say for one thing it was brought to my attention that there are different types of medians that are not classified. There's an island, which is what's on 13, that is larger than 7 ft, that any car or human being can stand in without getting hit or anything else and still pull over to give money to anyone who needs it, or food. So in that aspect, we need to clarify what is a median, what is the shape of a median, what do we include as a median? Mark it. Mark the safe spots of where people can do what they need to do in order to bring money home for their families to feed them, and for people to be able to safely give them these fundings. Because there are churches that, yes, they offer a great, large amount of things, but one thing they don't offer sometimes is moneys for them to take home to pay their bills if they have a house, or to take, or to set up a place where they can put their tents if they're homeless. They may give them the supplies, but they do not give them the area to set up safely. Panhandlers need an area that they can safely be considered a median not to go on, especially the ones that are shaped like little triangles, okay? And another thing is, is if you're going to, if you're going to fine them and then you're going to fine the people that help them, again, like I'm going to bring to this, then you might as well fine everybody who helps anyone who needs help. So you should put in this ordinance, not only are we going to fine panhandlers, we're going to fine the people that help them, we're going to fine the churches that offer, you know, Christianity help, we're going to fine the people that, like you, that go out and hand out tents that they have no place to set up, clothes that they can't wash that are eventually going to get dirty and make them look even more and feel even more horrible. You're going to give them money? Yes, they're not all drug addicts out there. Let me tell you. I've accompanied a lot of them.","topics_json":"[\"homelessness\",\"public_safety\"]","vector_id":"vec_seg_98715_213","created_at":"2026-10-31T05:11:11Z","speaker_name":"Yolanda Mane"},{"id":"seg_98715_214","meeting_id":"98715","media_asset_id":"med_98715_hls_9e64686ccadd5717","agenda_item_id":null,"speaker_id":"off_fred_a_neil","speaker_confidence":0.95,"start_sec":3506.58,"end_sec":3509.08,"text":"Thank you. Thank you. Madam Clerk?","topics_json":"[]","vector_id":"vec_seg_98715_214","created_at":"2026-10-31T05:11:11Z","speaker_name":"Fred A. Neil"},{"id":"seg_98715_215","meeting_id":"98715","media_asset_id":"med_98715_hls_9e64686ccadd5717","agenda_item_id":null,"speaker_id":"spk_98715_city_clerk","speaker_confidence":0.95,"start_sec":3509.08,"end_sec":3515.18,"text":"Adam Sargeant? No. Okay. Steven Kennedy? Ronald Eads?","topics_json":"[]","vector_id":"vec_seg_98715_215","created_at":"2026-10-31T05:11:11Z","speaker_name":"City Clerk"},{"id":"seg_98715_216","meeting_id":"98715","media_asset_id":"med_98715_hls_9e64686ccadd5717","agenda_item_id":null,"speaker_id":"spk_98715_ronald_eads","speaker_confidence":0.95,"start_sec":3515.18,"end_sec":3538.98,"text":"How you doing? I'm Ronald Eads, living in Dover. Uh, to the gentleman that was just speaking earlier, the heavy-set guy, I'm on 13. I stand where he's talking. We are not that stupid where we're going to jump out in front of cars. There's Tammy, and there's Cowboy, and me. We're the only three people who stand out there where Wawa--","topics_json":"[\"homelessness\",\"public_safety\"]","vector_id":"vec_seg_98715_216","created_at":"2026-10-31T05:11:11Z","speaker_name":"Ronald Eads"},{"id":"seg_98715_217","meeting_id":"98715","media_asset_id":"med_98715_hls_9e64686ccadd5717","agenda_item_id":null,"speaker_id":"spk_98715_public_commenter_1","speaker_confidence":0.9,"start_sec":3538.99,"end_sec":3565.76,"text":"always. And I know these people like the back of my hand. We are not that stupid. If you see a car, you don't run out to a car. You wait for it to stop. And even then, you don't run up to the cars. If they call you over to the car, fine. We that's when we approach the cars. We don't approach a car just cause it's sitting there. We're not stupid. We have respect for people's pro- for people's space and whatnot. So, I don't know what this gentleman is talking or what he's smoking. But we are not that stupid. We don't I know all the guy all the guys who stay on 13 where Wawa is, and I'm sorry, gentleman, sir, we are not idiots. We are not retards.","topics_json":"[\"homelessness\",\"public_safety\"]","vector_id":"vec_seg_98715_217","created_at":"2026-10-31T05:11:11Z","speaker_name":null},{"id":"seg_98715_218","meeting_id":"98715","media_asset_id":"med_98715_hls_9e64686ccadd5717","agenda_item_id":null,"speaker_id":"off_fred_a_neil","speaker_confidence":0.95,"start_sec":3565.76,"end_sec":3566.62,"text":"Please, sir.","topics_json":"[]","vector_id":"vec_seg_98715_218","created_at":"2026-10-31T05:11:11Z","speaker_name":"Fred A. Neil"},{"id":"seg_98715_219","meeting_id":"98715","media_asset_id":"med_98715_hls_9e64686ccadd5717","agenda_item_id":null,"speaker_id":"spk_98715_public_commenter_1","speaker_confidence":0.9,"start_sec":3566.62,"end_sec":3622.7,"text":"We do not stand where it's not safe, if we can help it. I stand where the grass is at. Um, matter of fact, Tanya will stand where the grass is at too, when I'm not there. We take turns, I guess you could say. Cowboy will stand in the median between, I guess, the mechanic mechanic mechanic shop and Wawa. That's where Cowboy stands at. Now, I can't speak for the people on Route 8. I don't know them, don't really care to. But I'm just saying. The reason why I am there, and my wife are there, is we have a motel room. But it takes money to keep us off the street. I'm not trying to get back on the street, so I panhandle to pay for my room, for me and my wife's room. And not only that, but also to put food in our stomachs. We need to eat, we need to stay dry. My My wife has, um...","topics_json":"[\"homelessness\",\"housing\",\"public_safety\"]","vector_id":"vec_seg_98715_219","created_at":"2026-10-31T05:11:11Z","speaker_name":null},{"id":"seg_98715_22","meeting_id":"98715","media_asset_id":"med_98715_hls_9e64686ccadd5717","agenda_item_id":null,"speaker_id":"off_andre_m_boggerty","speaker_confidence":0.95,"start_sec":348.61,"end_sec":350.81,"text":"No, for reasons stated.","topics_json":"[]","vector_id":"vec_seg_98715_22","created_at":"2026-10-31T05:11:11Z","speaker_name":"Andre M. Boggerty"},{"id":"seg_98715_220","meeting_id":"98715","media_asset_id":"med_98715_hls_9e64686ccadd5717","agenda_item_id":null,"speaker_id":"off_fred_a_neil","speaker_confidence":0.95,"start_sec":3622.7,"end_sec":3625.5,"text":"Thank you. Thank you. Thank you.","topics_json":"[]","vector_id":"vec_seg_98715_220","created_at":"2026-10-31T05:11:11Z","speaker_name":"Fred A. 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And also how many accidents was it within the past... you said you did a... from last year you said two deaths, but that wasn't even from panhandling.","topics_json":"[\"homelessness\",\"public_safety\"]","vector_id":"vec_seg_98715_226","created_at":"2026-10-31T05:11:11Z","speaker_name":"Arlene Butler Howard"},{"id":"seg_98715_227","meeting_id":"98715","media_asset_id":"med_98715_hls_9e64686ccadd5717","agenda_item_id":null,"speaker_id":"off_fred_a_neil","speaker_confidence":0.95,"start_sec":3674.37,"end_sec":3675.49,"text":"Yes. Chief, if you would.","topics_json":"[]","vector_id":"vec_seg_98715_227","created_at":"2026-10-31T05:11:11Z","speaker_name":"Fred A. Neil"},{"id":"seg_98715_228","meeting_id":"98715","media_asset_id":"med_98715_hls_9e64686ccadd5717","agenda_item_id":null,"speaker_id":"spk_98715_thomas_johnson","speaker_confidence":0.95,"start_sec":3675.49,"end_sec":3696.29,"text":"Your, um, your point is is well taken. Uh, I thought I made it clear when I was speaking that they were not panhandling, they were not on a median, but they were next to a major highway and they stepped into that highway and got struck. So, my point was two of the individuals, I don't like to label anybody so I just say they represent some of our at-risk community members, um, were my only two traffic fatalities last year, but I did not state, and I'll say clearly now, they were not panhandling at the time that they were struck.","topics_json":"[\"public_safety\",\"homelessness\"]","vector_id":"vec_seg_98715_228","created_at":"2026-10-31T05:11:11Z","speaker_name":"Thomas Johnson"},{"id":"seg_98715_229","meeting_id":"98715","media_asset_id":"med_98715_hls_9e64686ccadd5717","agenda_item_id":null,"speaker_id":"spk_98715_arlene_butler_howard","speaker_confidence":0.95,"start_sec":3696.29,"end_sec":3725.29,"text":"Okay. That's what I I wanted to hear that part. Now how many accident was it with people panhandling last year?","topics_json":"[\"public_safety\",\"homelessness\"]","vector_id":"vec_seg_98715_229","created_at":"2026-10-31T05:11:11Z","speaker_name":"Arlene Butler Howard"},{"id":"seg_98715_23","meeting_id":"98715","media_asset_id":"med_98715_hls_9e64686ccadd5717","agenda_item_id":null,"speaker_id":"spk_98715_city_clerk","speaker_confidence":0.95,"start_sec":351.11,"end_sec":352.01,"text":"Mr. Anderson?","topics_json":"[]","vector_id":"vec_seg_98715_23","created_at":"2026-10-31T05:11:11Z","speaker_name":"City Clerk"},{"id":"seg_98715_230","meeting_id":"98715","media_asset_id":"med_98715_hls_9e64686ccadd5717","agenda_item_id":null,"speaker_id":"spk_98715_thomas_johnson","speaker_confidence":0.95,"start_sec":3725.29,"end_sec":3734.3,"text":"I don't have that data with me, but I don't believe it's very much. Um, I That's not something that's been reported to me as, 'Oh, we've got this this huge problem.' So, I would say I could count it on less than one hand if it's any. I don't have the data with me.","topics_json":"[\"public_safety\",\"homelessness\"]","vector_id":"vec_seg_98715_230","created_at":"2026-10-31T05:11:11Z","speaker_name":"Thomas Johnson"},{"id":"seg_98715_231","meeting_id":"98715","media_asset_id":"med_98715_hls_9e64686ccadd5717","agenda_item_id":null,"speaker_id":"spk_98715_arlene_butler_howard","speaker_confidence":0.95,"start_sec":3734.3,"end_sec":3735.6,"text":"Okay. So thank you for answering my questions.","topics_json":"[\"public_safety\",\"homelessness\"]","vector_id":"vec_seg_98715_231","created_at":"2026-10-31T05:11:11Z","speaker_name":"Arlene Butler Howard"},{"id":"seg_98715_232","meeting_id":"98715","media_asset_id":"med_98715_hls_9e64686ccadd5717","agenda_item_id":null,"speaker_id":"spk_98715_female_public_commenter","speaker_confidence":0.85,"start_sec":3735.6,"end_sec":3775.8,"text":"And I was just making that as once two points really is because, like he said, they have common sense if they're out there trying to solicit for money that they might need to pay their rent, to handle anything if they're hungry. And the Bible speaks, and I can say this, they speak that we're going to have the rich and the poor. So everybody here is not rich, everybody's not poor. Some people are in the middle class. But still, they should have a right to go out to panhandle, because I don't see anything wrong with it. They're not doing anything to, like the gentleman said, that he was in the parking lot and almost had an accident. I'm quite sure nobody jumped in front of his car to ask him for any money.","topics_json":"[\"homelessness\",\"public_safety\"]","vector_id":"vec_seg_98715_232","created_at":"2026-10-31T05:11:11Z","speaker_name":null},{"id":"seg_98715_233","meeting_id":"98715","media_asset_id":"med_98715_hls_9e64686ccadd5717","agenda_item_id":null,"speaker_id":"spk_98715_female_public_commenter","speaker_confidence":0.85,"start_sec":3775.8,"end_sec":3847,"text":"So, only thing I look at this, I when I looked at 10 section 106-139, their safety, they have their safety on guard. And then, you look at it if their safety is not going on guard, you're going to give them a written warning, then $15 for the second offense, and then $50 for the third offense. Only thing I see is that money is coming into the state for what? From people who don't have money? They don't have anything, so that's why they're out there panhandling. They're not out there trying to cause an accident. They're not trying to out there trying to jump in front front of traffic to get hurt.","topics_json":"[\"homelessness\",\"public_safety\"]","vector_id":"vec_seg_98715_233","created_at":"2026-10-31T05:11:11Z","speaker_name":null},{"id":"seg_98715_234","meeting_id":"98715","media_asset_id":"med_98715_hls_9e64686ccadd5717","agenda_item_id":null,"speaker_id":"spk_98715_female_public_commenter","speaker_confidence":0.85,"start_sec":3847,"end_sec":3894,"text":"So the only thing I see on here is that it really should be striked the 106-139, because they have their safety under control, like the gentleman just now stated. They're not out there trying to cause an accident. They're not out there trying to get hit. They're out there trying to survive, because of today's economy. They don't have anything. You might have something, I might have something, you might have something. All y'all might have something. They don't have anything. They have nothing. So that's what they're doing is trying to survive. So and they're not crazy. They're not stupid. Some of them might have some mental mental issues, but still they're human. So that's why they should strike this. The only thing I see is is a moneymaking for the state of Delaware where they going to fine people who don't have money, or the city. Thank you.","topics_json":"[\"homelessness\",\"budget\"]","vector_id":"vec_seg_98715_234","created_at":"2026-10-31T05:11:11Z","speaker_name":null},{"id":"seg_98715_235","meeting_id":"98715","media_asset_id":"med_98715_hls_9e64686ccadd5717","agenda_item_id":null,"speaker_id":"off_fred_a_neil","speaker_confidence":0.95,"start_sec":3855.6,"end_sec":3857.4,"text":"Madam Clerk.","topics_json":"[]","vector_id":"vec_seg_98715_235","created_at":"2026-10-31T05:11:11Z","speaker_name":"Fred A. Neil"},{"id":"seg_98715_236","meeting_id":"98715","media_asset_id":"med_98715_hls_9e64686ccadd5717","agenda_item_id":null,"speaker_id":"spk_98715_city_clerk","speaker_confidence":0.95,"start_sec":3857.6,"end_sec":3859.6,"text":"Crystal Chatham?","topics_json":"[]","vector_id":"vec_seg_98715_236","created_at":"2026-10-31T05:11:11Z","speaker_name":"City Clerk"},{"id":"seg_98715_237","meeting_id":"98715","media_asset_id":"med_98715_hls_9e64686ccadd5717","agenda_item_id":null,"speaker_id":"spk_98715_crystal_chatman","speaker_confidence":0.95,"start_sec":3859.1,"end_sec":3860.4,"text":"Chatman.","topics_json":"[]","vector_id":"vec_seg_98715_237","created_at":"2026-10-31T05:11:11Z","speaker_name":"Crystal Chatman"},{"id":"seg_98715_238","meeting_id":"98715","media_asset_id":"med_98715_hls_9e64686ccadd5717","agenda_item_id":null,"speaker_id":"spk_98715_city_clerk","speaker_confidence":0.95,"start_sec":3860.4,"end_sec":3861,"text":"Sorry.","topics_json":"[]","vector_id":"vec_seg_98715_238","created_at":"2026-10-31T05:11:11Z","speaker_name":"City Clerk"},{"id":"seg_98715_239","meeting_id":"98715","media_asset_id":"med_98715_hls_9e64686ccadd5717","agenda_item_id":null,"speaker_id":"spk_98715_crystal_chatman","speaker_confidence":0.95,"start_sec":3861,"end_sec":3932.2,"text":"Good evening, everyone. My name is Crystal Chatman. I'm a Dover resident, activist, and advocate. I implore you to say vote no on this on Ordinance 2025-21, and develop better solutions than penalties. I'm going to give you three things that I've continued to hear coming to these meetings. Addiction, alcoholism, is a disease that needs to be treated physically, mentally, spiritually, and for long periods of time. Unless you've had to walk that journey with someone, you have no right to judge their demons. Judge not, unless you are willing to be judged by everyone in power or privilege. Mental illness is a disease of the brain and soul, which needs to be treated physically inside and out, spiritually and humanly. Have you ever had to walk that journey with someone? I have. It's not a pretty picture. Homelessness is a disease of so-","topics_json":"[\"homelessness\",\"public_safety\"]","vector_id":"vec_seg_98715_239","created_at":"2026-10-31T05:11:11Z","speaker_name":"Crystal Chatman"},{"id":"seg_98715_24","meeting_id":"98715","media_asset_id":"med_98715_hls_9e64686ccadd5717","agenda_item_id":null,"speaker_id":"off_david_l_anderson","speaker_confidence":0.95,"start_sec":352.21,"end_sec":353.01,"text":"No.","topics_json":"[]","vector_id":"vec_seg_98715_24","created_at":"2026-10-31T05:11:11Z","speaker_name":"David L. Anderson"},{"id":"seg_98715_240","meeting_id":"98715","media_asset_id":"med_98715_hls_9e64686ccadd5717","agenda_item_id":null,"speaker_id":"spk_98715_public_commenter","speaker_confidence":0.9,"start_sec":3932.21,"end_sec":3959.47,"text":"society, that's our fault. It needs to be treated with empathy, compassion, and humanity. Something we've lost sight of. We have all three of those on the median. You call for safety, safety, safety. Where are the solutions, solutions, solutions? Where is the housing, housing, housing? Where is the treatment, treatment, treatment?","topics_json":"[\"homelessness\",\"housing\",\"public_safety\"]","vector_id":"vec_seg_98715_240","created_at":"2026-10-31T05:11:11Z","speaker_name":null},{"id":"seg_98715_241","meeting_id":"98715","media_asset_id":"med_98715_hls_9e64686ccadd5717","agenda_item_id":null,"speaker_id":"off_fred_a_neil","speaker_confidence":0.85,"start_sec":3959.47,"end_sec":3960.27,"text":"All right.","topics_json":"[]","vector_id":"vec_seg_98715_241","created_at":"2026-10-31T05:11:11Z","speaker_name":"Fred A. Neil"},{"id":"seg_98715_242","meeting_id":"98715","media_asset_id":"med_98715_hls_9e64686ccadd5717","agenda_item_id":null,"speaker_id":"spk_98715_public_commenter","speaker_confidence":0.9,"start_sec":3960.27,"end_sec":3992.02,"text":"What is next? Penalties on empathy, compassion, and humanity? Oh, I'm sorry, this ordinance already covers that. I would like everyone in this gallery to reflect on the on the prayer that was given tonight by Councilman Boggerty. Empathy, compassion, humility, and true service to all our fellow man. Thank you and have a good evening.","topics_json":"[\"public_safety\"]","vector_id":"vec_seg_98715_242","created_at":"2026-10-31T05:11:11Z","speaker_name":null},{"id":"seg_98715_243","meeting_id":"98715","media_asset_id":"med_98715_hls_9e64686ccadd5717","agenda_item_id":null,"speaker_id":"off_fred_a_neil","speaker_confidence":0.95,"start_sec":4037.29,"end_sec":4039.08,"text":"Madam Clerk.","topics_json":"[]","vector_id":"vec_seg_98715_243","created_at":"2026-10-31T05:11:11Z","speaker_name":"Fred A. Neil"},{"id":"seg_98715_244","meeting_id":"98715","media_asset_id":"med_98715_hls_9e64686ccadd5717","agenda_item_id":null,"speaker_id":"spk_98715_city_clerk","speaker_confidence":0.95,"start_sec":4039.08,"end_sec":4041.32,"text":"Clarion Arroana?","topics_json":"[]","vector_id":"vec_seg_98715_244","created_at":"2026-10-31T05:11:11Z","speaker_name":"City Clerk"},{"id":"seg_98715_245","meeting_id":"98715","media_asset_id":"med_98715_hls_9e64686ccadd5717","agenda_item_id":null,"speaker_id":"spk_98715_clarion_arroana","speaker_confidence":0.85,"start_sec":4041.32,"end_sec":4045.32,"text":"Madam Clerk, thank you, but I think I'm going to pass on my agenda tonight.","topics_json":"[]","vector_id":"vec_seg_98715_245","created_at":"2026-10-31T05:11:11Z","speaker_name":"Clarion Arroana"},{"id":"seg_98715_246","meeting_id":"98715","media_asset_id":"med_98715_hls_9e64686ccadd5717","agenda_item_id":null,"speaker_id":"spk_98715_city_clerk","speaker_confidence":0.95,"start_sec":4045.32,"end_sec":4046.6,"text":"Okay. Thank you.","topics_json":"[]","vector_id":"vec_seg_98715_246","created_at":"2026-10-31T05:11:11Z","speaker_name":"City Clerk"},{"id":"seg_98715_247","meeting_id":"98715","media_asset_id":"med_98715_hls_9e64686ccadd5717","agenda_item_id":null,"speaker_id":"spk_98715_city_clerk","speaker_confidence":0.95,"start_sec":4046.94,"end_sec":4048.72,"text":"Phyllis Smolack?","topics_json":"[]","vector_id":"vec_seg_98715_247","created_at":"2026-10-31T05:11:11Z","speaker_name":"City Clerk"},{"id":"seg_98715_248","meeting_id":"98715","media_asset_id":"med_98715_hls_9e64686ccadd5717","agenda_item_id":null,"speaker_id":"spk_98715_phyllis_smolack","speaker_confidence":0.9,"start_sec":4049.5,"end_sec":4052.94,"text":"Um good morning, good after- I mean good evening, Council.","topics_json":"[]","vector_id":"vec_seg_98715_248","created_at":"2026-10-31T05:11:11Z","speaker_name":"Phyllis Smolack"},{"id":"seg_98715_249","meeting_id":"98715","media_asset_id":"med_98715_hls_9e64686ccadd5717","agenda_item_id":null,"speaker_id":"spk_98715_phyllis_smolack","speaker_confidence":0.95,"start_sec":4054.2,"end_sec":4128.81,"text":"I'm going to make mine kind of short cause I talk a lot. But I have to come back to the first time I gave public comment in this building and asked, \"What have you done for me lately?\" And I know everybody remembers that. And I'm starting off with that tonight because I really want to see some things for our city. I'm all up and down the whole state of Delaware, and everyone says we have to bring resources in to help the people. I know you had started off the conversation when this all came up, gathering data for resources to help the people. And instead, and I know you don't like it Councilman Rocha, but we are criminalizing poverty. A lot of these people who are on the medians, I mean I've been on the medians, I can tell you names of people why they're on there. Veterans are out there, there's mothers out there trying to make money for the rooms. There are some people that are addicted. I ask, \"Do you need services?\" I'm out there. But it's really criminalizing poverty, and people don't understand that. We're targeting people that are standing in medians. This bill is penalizing drivers who slow down to help someone. It ties those violations to fines that stack up fast if you can't pay, whether it's at the state level or the city level. I was looking at your report, and it showed the fines. The blue line is higher of the fines that have been given out, but hardly nobody's paying back into the city. So it makes one think that we're trying to come up with another way to get money. I just think there's a better way, and I've always asked, \"Why haven't y'all had like a stakeholder meeting and call the advocates to the table, get to hear what we say?\" And then when we speak, so many people are mad about what we're saying. We're advocating. That's what we do. We're advocating because we don't like what we see. It's the words and how it's written and how it's violating people's rights. There's got to be a better way. One thing that we all do agree on, that it is a pedestrian safety issue. 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I'd be giving people emails, I don't know what y'all think about me, but I get things, and y'all do not take advantage and it hurts, because I want more for my city.","topics_json":"[\"homelessness\",\"community_outreach\"]","vector_id":"vec_seg_98715_250","created_at":"2026-10-31T05:11:11Z","speaker_name":null},{"id":"seg_98715_251","meeting_id":"98715","media_asset_id":"med_98715_hls_9e64686ccadd5717","agenda_item_id":null,"speaker_id":"spk_98715_public_commenter","speaker_confidence":0.9,"start_sec":4145.28,"end_sec":4154.47,"text":"When a councilman try to have a conversation and say that my tactics are using black money, I had to go look up that. What's black money? A lot of what we do doesn't cost anything, it's a it's a subscription, $10 a month. But it's called good organizing.","topics_json":"[\"budget\",\"community_outreach\"]","vector_id":"vec_seg_98715_251","created_at":"2026-10-31T05:11:11Z","speaker_name":null},{"id":"seg_98715_252","meeting_id":"98715","media_asset_id":"med_98715_hls_9e64686ccadd5717","agenda_item_id":null,"speaker_id":"off_fred_a_neil","speaker_confidence":0.95,"start_sec":4154.47,"end_sec":4154.96,"text":"Thank you.","topics_json":"[]","vector_id":"vec_seg_98715_252","created_at":"2026-10-31T05:11:11Z","speaker_name":"Fred A. 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Nobody has answered that yet.","topics_json":"[\"homelessness\"]","vector_id":"vec_seg_98715_255","created_at":"2026-10-31T05:11:11Z","speaker_name":null},{"id":"seg_98715_256","meeting_id":"98715","media_asset_id":"med_98715_hls_9e64686ccadd5717","agenda_item_id":null,"speaker_id":"spk_98715_city_clerk","speaker_confidence":0.95,"start_sec":4162.85,"end_sec":4163.97,"text":"George Johnson.","topics_json":"[]","vector_id":"vec_seg_98715_256","created_at":"2026-10-31T05:11:11Z","speaker_name":"City Clerk"},{"id":"seg_98715_257","meeting_id":"98715","media_asset_id":"med_98715_hls_9e64686ccadd5717","agenda_item_id":null,"speaker_id":"spk_98715_george_johnson","speaker_confidence":0.95,"start_sec":4164.09,"end_sec":4198,"text":"Good evening council members. My name is George Johnson, resident of the city. Um, I had a good meeting today with Governor Matt Meyer's um, who's opposition opposed this the the this this ordinance that y'all got going on, saying that, uh, it's helping our society. I call it pain. The reason I call it pain, because I sit in my city and, uh, those are the less fortunate, I put in rooms.","topics_json":"[\"homelessness\",\"housing\"]","vector_id":"vec_seg_98715_257","created_at":"2026-10-31T05:11:11Z","speaker_name":"George Johnson"},{"id":"seg_98715_258","meeting_id":"98715","media_asset_id":"med_98715_hls_9e64686ccadd5717","agenda_item_id":null,"speaker_id":"spk_98715_george_johnson","speaker_confidence":0.95,"start_sec":4201.35,"end_sec":4212.97,"text":"Those that, um, ain't got no place to lay their head, welcome in my home. God said, you cover the land and protect the people. Um, as a clergy, a a a pastor, um, who votes yes, my God, my God, what happened to my city?","topics_json":"[\"homelessness\",\"housing\"]","vector_id":"vec_seg_98715_258","created_at":"2026-10-31T05:11:11Z","speaker_name":"George Johnson"},{"id":"seg_98715_259","meeting_id":"98715","media_asset_id":"med_98715_hls_9e64686ccadd5717","agenda_item_id":null,"speaker_id":"spk_98715_george_johnson","speaker_confidence":0.95,"start_sec":4213.21,"end_sec":4227.19,"text":"Um, we supposed to be able to bring people together and bring the resolution that makes things better. This is not better. Um, fining someone just because they saying, hey, I need help. They say, why hear your voice if it's not being heard? Where is the hand that one reach for, and it cannot be grabbed? Because they said, hey, we must be segregated. 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I came from I came from the bottom, and now I'm at and now I'm where I need to be. And I'm bringing everybody that's less fortunate with me. So, I don't care how many bills they come out, how many ordinances they come out. If it's against the people, I'm against it. Um, they said I was always told when I was young, never be the oppressed, be the oppressor.","topics_json":"[\"homelessness\",\"public_safety\"]","vector_id":"vec_seg_98715_260","created_at":"2026-10-31T05:11:11Z","speaker_name":"George Johnson"},{"id":"seg_98715_261","meeting_id":"98715","media_asset_id":"med_98715_hls_9e64686ccadd5717","agenda_item_id":null,"speaker_id":"off_fred_a_neil","speaker_confidence":0.95,"start_sec":4273.64,"end_sec":4274.32,"text":"Madam Clerk.","topics_json":"[]","vector_id":"vec_seg_98715_261","created_at":"2026-10-31T05:11:11Z","speaker_name":"Fred A. 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And every one of you got the copy of the, and and and for those that didn't read the emails, I went and I brought you a copy","topics_json":"[\"ordinance\",\"homelessness\"]","vector_id":"vec_seg_98715_263","created_at":"2026-10-31T05:11:11Z","speaker_name":"Cher Paul"},{"id":"seg_98715_264","meeting_id":"98715","media_asset_id":"med_98715_hls_9e64686ccadd5717","agenda_item_id":null,"speaker_id":"spk_98715_cher_paul","speaker_confidence":0.95,"start_sec":4314.94,"end_sec":4325.43,"text":"of these of the ordinance, and the issues that we have. Now, our our solicitor, I went through, I attached him onto that email. I also provided you with a copy. 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So why would you take","topics_json":"[\"public_safety\"]","vector_id":"vec_seg_98715_266","created_at":"2026-10-31T05:11:11Z","speaker_name":"Ms. Poling"},{"id":"seg_98715_267","meeting_id":"98715","media_asset_id":"med_98715_hls_9e64686ccadd5717","agenda_item_id":null,"speaker_id":"spk_98715_ms_poling","speaker_confidence":0.9,"start_sec":4355.24,"end_sec":4392.81,"text":"You know, and and and, Mr. Solicitor, you're an attorney. I I I don't know what I don't know what area of law you got this from, or why you would even go there. But when you find case study and you are trying to go through and you're arguing cases, in the firm I worked in, we always found precedent in cases that we won on, not ones that we lost.","topics_json":"[\"public_safety\"]","vector_id":"vec_seg_98715_267","created_at":"2026-10-31T05:11:11Z","speaker_name":"Ms. Poling"},{"id":"seg_98715_268","meeting_id":"98715","media_asset_id":"med_98715_hls_9e64686ccadd5717","agenda_item_id":null,"speaker_id":"spk_98715_ms_poling","speaker_confidence":0.9,"start_sec":4393,"end_sec":4403.49,"text":"If you took this framework from that law, in which you did, this framework right here was already challenged and lost. So every single last one of you that vote yes, you are putting taxpayer dollars in jeopardy.","topics_json":"[\"taxes\",\"budget\",\"public_safety\"]","vector_id":"vec_seg_98715_268","created_at":"2026-10-31T05:11:11Z","speaker_name":"Ms. Poling"},{"id":"seg_98715_269","meeting_id":"98715","media_asset_id":"med_98715_hls_9e64686ccadd5717","agenda_item_id":null,"speaker_id":"spk_98715_ms_poling","speaker_confidence":0.9,"start_sec":4403.68,"end_sec":4417.96,"text":"Now, you don't want anybody to talk to the solicitor cuz Mr. Solicitor, you get paid the big bucks. And you already paying out the yin yang already for issues that you already are legally dealing with that he has to deal with. So you're even your time is limited to what you can communicate with the solicitor.","topics_json":"[\"budget\",\"public_safety\"]","vector_id":"vec_seg_98715_269","created_at":"2026-10-31T05:11:11Z","speaker_name":"Ms. Poling"},{"id":"seg_98715_27","meeting_id":"98715","media_asset_id":"med_98715_hls_9e64686ccadd5717","agenda_item_id":null,"speaker_id":"spk_98715_city_clerk","speaker_confidence":0.95,"start_sec":355.21,"end_sec":356.01,"text":"Ms. Arndt?","topics_json":"[]","vector_id":"vec_seg_98715_27","created_at":"2026-10-31T05:11:11Z","speaker_name":"City Clerk"},{"id":"seg_98715_270","meeting_id":"98715","media_asset_id":"med_98715_hls_9e64686ccadd5717","agenda_item_id":null,"speaker_id":"spk_98715_ms_poling","speaker_confidence":0.9,"start_sec":4418.08,"end_sec":4454.47,"text":"But I'm suggesting that anybody that votes yes to this, understand you already lost it on the state level. It made no sense to put this put the taxpayers in jeopardy for framework that was done from the state from a state law that's already been it's already been challenged, it's done.","topics_json":"[\"taxes\",\"budget\",\"public_safety\"]","vector_id":"vec_seg_98715_270","created_at":"2026-10-31T05:11:11Z","speaker_name":"Ms. Poling"},{"id":"seg_98715_271","meeting_id":"98715","media_asset_id":"med_98715_hls_9e64686ccadd5717","agenda_item_id":null,"speaker_id":"off_fred_a_neil","speaker_confidence":0.95,"start_sec":4454.47,"end_sec":4455.59,"text":"All right, ma'am.","topics_json":"[]","vector_id":"vec_seg_98715_271","created_at":"2026-10-31T05:11:11Z","speaker_name":"Fred A. Neil"},{"id":"seg_98715_272","meeting_id":"98715","media_asset_id":"med_98715_hls_9e64686ccadd5717","agenda_item_id":null,"speaker_id":"spk_98715_ms_poling","speaker_confidence":0.9,"start_sec":4455.59,"end_sec":4459.01,"text":"I'm going to need y'all to help me make sense of this.","topics_json":"[]","vector_id":"vec_seg_98715_272","created_at":"2026-10-31T05:11:11Z","speaker_name":"Ms. Poling"},{"id":"seg_98715_273","meeting_id":"98715","media_asset_id":"med_98715_hls_9e64686ccadd5717","agenda_item_id":null,"speaker_id":"off_fred_a_neil","speaker_confidence":0.95,"start_sec":4459.19,"end_sec":4463.79,"text":"Thank you. Madam Clerk.","topics_json":"[]","vector_id":"vec_seg_98715_273","created_at":"2026-10-31T05:11:11Z","speaker_name":"Fred A. Neil"},{"id":"seg_98715_274","meeting_id":"98715","media_asset_id":"med_98715_hls_9e64686ccadd5717","agenda_item_id":null,"speaker_id":"spk_98715_city_clerk","speaker_confidence":0.95,"start_sec":4463.79,"end_sec":4464.91,"text":"Shauna Miller?","topics_json":"[]","vector_id":"vec_seg_98715_274","created_at":"2026-10-31T05:11:11Z","speaker_name":"City Clerk"},{"id":"seg_98715_275","meeting_id":"98715","media_asset_id":"med_98715_hls_9e64686ccadd5717","agenda_item_id":null,"speaker_id":"spk_98715_ms_poling","speaker_confidence":0.9,"start_sec":4464.91,"end_sec":4472.42,"text":"Wait, the solicitor did not answer my question. Don't do that. Don't do that. Don't do that. I expect for my question to be answered like everybody else.","topics_json":"[]","vector_id":"vec_seg_98715_275","created_at":"2026-10-31T05:11:11Z","speaker_name":"Ms. Poling"},{"id":"seg_98715_276","meeting_id":"98715","media_asset_id":"med_98715_hls_9e64686ccadd5717","agenda_item_id":null,"speaker_id":"spk_98715_city_clerk","speaker_confidence":0.9,"start_sec":4472.42,"end_sec":4473.29,"text":"Mr. President?","topics_json":"[]","vector_id":"vec_seg_98715_276","created_at":"2026-10-31T05:11:11Z","speaker_name":"City Clerk"},{"id":"seg_98715_277","meeting_id":"98715","media_asset_id":"med_98715_hls_9e64686ccadd5717","agenda_item_id":null,"speaker_id":"off_fred_a_neil","speaker_confidence":0.95,"start_sec":4473.29,"end_sec":4474.04,"text":"Yes.","topics_json":"[]","vector_id":"vec_seg_98715_277","created_at":"2026-10-31T05:11:11Z","speaker_name":"Fred A. Neil"},{"id":"seg_98715_278","meeting_id":"98715","media_asset_id":"med_98715_hls_9e64686ccadd5717","agenda_item_id":null,"speaker_id":"spk_98715_city_solicitor","speaker_confidence":0.9,"start_sec":4474.04,"end_sec":4476.71,"text":"I do not get paid the big bucks, was that the question?","topics_json":"[]","vector_id":"vec_seg_98715_278","created_at":"2026-10-31T05:11:11Z","speaker_name":null},{"id":"seg_98715_279","meeting_id":"98715","media_asset_id":"med_98715_hls_9e64686ccadd5717","agenda_item_id":null,"speaker_id":"spk_98715_ms_poling","speaker_confidence":0.9,"start_sec":4476.71,"end_sec":4481.36,"text":"No, that's not it. You can act like, don't act like you don't get paid the big bucks. No, that question was serious, don't act like that.","topics_json":"[]","vector_id":"vec_seg_98715_279","created_at":"2026-10-31T05:11:11Z","speaker_name":"Ms. Poling"},{"id":"seg_98715_28","meeting_id":"98715","media_asset_id":"med_98715_hls_9e64686ccadd5717","agenda_item_id":null,"speaker_id":"off_tricia_k_arndt","speaker_confidence":0.95,"start_sec":356.11,"end_sec":357.51,"text":"No. Sorry, y'all.","topics_json":"[]","vector_id":"vec_seg_98715_28","created_at":"2026-10-31T05:11:11Z","speaker_name":"Tricia K. Arndt"},{"id":"seg_98715_280","meeting_id":"98715","media_asset_id":"med_98715_hls_9e64686ccadd5717","agenda_item_id":null,"speaker_id":"spk_98715_city_solicitor","speaker_confidence":0.95,"start_sec":4481.36,"end_sec":4522.04,"text":"I I very much appreciate the question, Ms. Poling, and I I respect the research you've done on this. Um it's important. Um the state statutes that you're talking about that were, quote-unquote, lost, that was not a decision on the merits. The challenge was to loitering and panhandling, and the issue seemed to be whether or not the state statute was an overly broad ban on First Amendment","topics_json":"[\"public_safety\",\"homelessness\"]","vector_id":"vec_seg_98715_280","created_at":"2026-10-31T05:11:11Z","speaker_name":null},{"id":"seg_98715_281","meeting_id":"98715","media_asset_id":"med_98715_hls_9e64686ccadd5717","agenda_item_id":null,"speaker_id":"spk_98715_city_attorney","speaker_confidence":0.9,"start_sec":4522.04,"end_sec":4542.23,"text":"Amendment rights. And the argument was there is a First Amendment right to asking somebody else for money. There is a First Amendment right to stand and express your freedom of assembly. And when those statutes were challenged, there was no decision on the merits, there was a an agreement by the State of Delaware not to enforce those statutes.","topics_json":"[\"public_safety\"]","vector_id":"vec_seg_98715_281","created_at":"2026-10-31T05:11:11Z","speaker_name":null},{"id":"seg_98715_282","meeting_id":"98715","media_asset_id":"med_98715_hls_9e64686ccadd5717","agenda_item_id":null,"speaker_id":"spk_98715_city_attorney","speaker_confidence":0.9,"start_sec":4542.23,"end_sec":4556.69,"text":"I think we've provided, or at least council has has seen, the State of Delaware through the Attorney General's office is trying to figure out a way to more narrowly tailor the statute that addresses pedestrian safety without unduly infringing on First Amendment rights.","topics_json":"[\"public_safety\"]","vector_id":"vec_seg_98715_282","created_at":"2026-10-31T05:11:11Z","speaker_name":null},{"id":"seg_98715_283","meeting_id":"98715","media_asset_id":"med_98715_hls_9e64686ccadd5717","agenda_item_id":null,"speaker_id":"spk_98715_city_attorney","speaker_confidence":0.9,"start_sec":4556.69,"end_sec":4605.8,"text":"So I think I think really what we're talking about from a legal perspective tonight is, is the proposed ordinance sufficiently narrowly tailored to address pedestrian safety issues without unduly infringing First Amendment freedom of expression, freedom of assembly issues?","topics_json":"[\"public_safety\"]","vector_id":"vec_seg_98715_283","created_at":"2026-10-31T05:11:11Z","speaker_name":null},{"id":"seg_98715_284","meeting_id":"98715","media_asset_id":"med_98715_hls_9e64686ccadd5717","agenda_item_id":null,"speaker_id":"spk_98715_ms_small","speaker_confidence":0.9,"start_sec":4606.22,"end_sec":4608.05,"text":"Okay, so the so the constitutional rights—","topics_json":"[\"public_safety\"]","vector_id":"vec_seg_98715_284","created_at":"2026-10-31T05:11:11Z","speaker_name":"Ms. Small"},{"id":"seg_98715_285","meeting_id":"98715","media_asset_id":"med_98715_hls_9e64686ccadd5717","agenda_item_id":null,"speaker_id":"spk_98715_city_clerk","speaker_confidence":0.85,"start_sec":4607.63,"end_sec":4608.63,"text":"You have three minutes.","topics_json":"[]","vector_id":"vec_seg_98715_285","created_at":"2026-10-31T05:11:11Z","speaker_name":"City Clerk"},{"id":"seg_98715_286","meeting_id":"98715","media_asset_id":"med_98715_hls_9e64686ccadd5717","agenda_item_id":null,"speaker_id":"spk_98715_ms_small","speaker_confidence":0.9,"start_sec":4608.63,"end_sec":4620.1,"text":"Okay, can you yield can you yield your time to me because he had a minute left over, because this is very important. And the reason why I'm saying it's important is because it's your it's your money. It's taxpayer dollars. So y'all need to hear the answer to this question.","topics_json":"[\"budget\",\"public_safety\"]","vector_id":"vec_seg_98715_286","created_at":"2026-10-31T05:11:11Z","speaker_name":"Ms. Small"},{"id":"seg_98715_287","meeting_id":"98715","media_asset_id":"med_98715_hls_9e64686ccadd5717","agenda_item_id":null,"speaker_id":"spk_98715_ms_small","speaker_confidence":0.9,"start_sec":4620.1,"end_sec":4650.01,"text":"So you and I both know that with regards to law that even though it was settled out, but the fact that the the state is not allowing anyone to enforce those loitering laws, then we know that it was one of those things that were challenged. So when that happens, it means what? We've come to an agreement and we decided not to go into court, and we've come to an agreement to settle out, which means they lost that challenge. And because they don't want to go any further, they want to go to and make sure that we do things legally, correct?","topics_json":"[\"public_safety\"]","vector_id":"vec_seg_98715_287","created_at":"2026-10-31T05:11:11Z","speaker_name":"Ms. Small"},{"id":"seg_98715_288","meeting_id":"98715","media_asset_id":"med_98715_hls_9e64686ccadd5717","agenda_item_id":null,"speaker_id":"spk_98715_city_attorney","speaker_confidence":0.9,"start_sec":4650.01,"end_sec":4652.5,"text":"I can't speak for the state as to why they made the agreement they did.","topics_json":"[\"public_safety\"]","vector_id":"vec_seg_98715_288","created_at":"2026-10-31T05:11:11Z","speaker_name":null},{"id":"seg_98715_289","meeting_id":"98715","media_asset_id":"med_98715_hls_9e64686ccadd5717","agenda_item_id":null,"speaker_id":"spk_98715_ms_small","speaker_confidence":0.9,"start_sec":4652.5,"end_sec":4659.57,"text":"But those constitutional laws that I put in writing for you, those may be some constitutional issues that we have with this ordinance, correct?","topics_json":"[\"public_safety\"]","vector_id":"vec_seg_98715_289","created_at":"2026-10-31T05:11:11Z","speaker_name":"Ms. Small"},{"id":"seg_98715_29","meeting_id":"98715","media_asset_id":"med_98715_hls_9e64686ccadd5717","agenda_item_id":null,"speaker_id":"spk_98715_city_clerk","speaker_confidence":0.95,"start_sec":357.71,"end_sec":358.81,"text":"Mr. Rocha?","topics_json":"[]","vector_id":"vec_seg_98715_29","created_at":"2026-10-31T05:11:11Z","speaker_name":"City Clerk"},{"id":"seg_98715_290","meeting_id":"98715","media_asset_id":"med_98715_hls_9e64686ccadd5717","agenda_item_id":null,"speaker_id":"spk_98715_city_attorney","speaker_confidence":0.9,"start_sec":4659.65,"end_sec":4663.97,"text":"Ma'am, candidly, it looked like you took the ordinance and put it through an AI application.","topics_json":"[\"public_safety\"]","vector_id":"vec_seg_98715_290","created_at":"2026-10-31T05:11:11Z","speaker_name":null},{"id":"seg_98715_291","meeting_id":"98715","media_asset_id":"med_98715_hls_9e64686ccadd5717","agenda_item_id":null,"speaker_id":"spk_98715_ms_small","speaker_confidence":0.9,"start_sec":4663.97,"end_sec":4667.46,"text":"And and guess what? Those may be some challenge issues, correct?","topics_json":"[\"public_safety\"]","vector_id":"vec_seg_98715_291","created_at":"2026-10-31T05:11:12Z","speaker_name":"Ms. Small"},{"id":"seg_98715_292","meeting_id":"98715","media_asset_id":"med_98715_hls_9e64686ccadd5717","agenda_item_id":null,"speaker_id":"spk_98715_city_attorney","speaker_confidence":0.9,"start_sec":4667.46,"end_sec":4673.44,"text":"I think what happened is you you take the any ordinance, if you say a an instruction into an AI app to—","topics_json":"[\"public_safety\"]","vector_id":"vec_seg_98715_292","created_at":"2026-10-31T05:11:12Z","speaker_name":null},{"id":"seg_98715_293","meeting_id":"98715","media_asset_id":"med_98715_hls_9e64686ccadd5717","agenda_item_id":null,"speaker_id":"spk_98715_ms_small","speaker_confidence":0.9,"start_sec":4673.44,"end_sec":4682.83,"text":"I suggest you take it to an AI, and you go through it, and when you put it through there, it went through, are those issues, are those issues that may that could be challenged? Is it yes or no?","topics_json":"[\"public_safety\"]","vector_id":"vec_seg_98715_293","created_at":"2026-10-31T05:11:12Z","speaker_name":"Ms. Small"},{"id":"seg_98715_294","meeting_id":"98715","media_asset_id":"med_98715_hls_9e64686ccadd5717","agenda_item_id":null,"speaker_id":"spk_98715_city_attorney","speaker_confidence":0.9,"start_sec":4683.25,"end_sec":4691.39,"text":"I think it's the same as you could with any statute or ordinance. If you put it through an AI and say, what could be potential challenges to this, it'll it'll come up with some potential challenges.","topics_json":"[\"public_safety\"]","vector_id":"vec_seg_98715_294","created_at":"2026-10-31T05:11:12Z","speaker_name":null},{"id":"seg_98715_295","meeting_id":"98715","media_asset_id":"med_98715_hls_9e64686ccadd5717","agenda_item_id":null,"speaker_id":"spk_98715_ms_small","speaker_confidence":0.9,"start_sec":4691.56,"end_sec":4704.86,"text":"Okay, well we just we just want to know. So in the event that that you get that you that you do get sued, y'all need to understand when you say when you say yes, understand what you're saying yes to. I suggest you also look into the court—","topics_json":"[\"public_safety\"]","vector_id":"vec_seg_98715_295","created_at":"2026-10-31T05:11:12Z","speaker_name":"Ms. Small"},{"id":"seg_98715_296","meeting_id":"98715","media_asset_id":"med_98715_hls_9e64686ccadd5717","agenda_item_id":null,"speaker_id":"off_fred_a_neil","speaker_confidence":0.95,"start_sec":4704.86,"end_sec":4708.18,"text":"Thank you, Ms. Small. Thank you very much. Our next speaker.","topics_json":"[]","vector_id":"vec_seg_98715_296","created_at":"2026-10-31T05:11:12Z","speaker_name":"Fred A. 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Neil"},{"id":"seg_98715_299","meeting_id":"98715","media_asset_id":"med_98715_hls_9e64686ccadd5717","agenda_item_id":null,"speaker_id":"spk_98715_cheyenne_miller","speaker_confidence":0.95,"start_sec":4712.17,"end_sec":4712.67,"text":"Hi.","topics_json":"[]","vector_id":"vec_seg_98715_299","created_at":"2026-10-31T05:11:12Z","speaker_name":"Cheyenne Miller"},{"id":"seg_98715_3","meeting_id":"98715","media_asset_id":"med_98715_hls_9e64686ccadd5717","agenda_item_id":null,"speaker_id":"off_fred_a_neil","speaker_confidence":0.95,"start_sec":127.99,"end_sec":130.78,"text":"Amen. We'll have Councilman Brian Lewis lead us in the Pledge to the Flag.","topics_json":"[]","vector_id":"vec_seg_98715_3","created_at":"2026-10-31T05:11:11Z","speaker_name":"Fred A. Neil"},{"id":"seg_98715_30","meeting_id":"98715","media_asset_id":"med_98715_hls_9e64686ccadd5717","agenda_item_id":null,"speaker_id":"off_gerald_l_rocha_sr","speaker_confidence":0.95,"start_sec":358.91,"end_sec":359.71,"text":"Yes.","topics_json":"[]","vector_id":"vec_seg_98715_30","created_at":"2026-10-31T05:11:11Z","speaker_name":"Gerald L. Rocha, Sr."},{"id":"seg_98715_300","meeting_id":"98715","media_asset_id":"med_98715_hls_9e64686ccadd5717","agenda_item_id":null,"speaker_id":"off_fred_a_neil","speaker_confidence":0.95,"start_sec":4712.75,"end_sec":4714,"text":"We have talked about housing.","topics_json":"[\"housing\"]","vector_id":"vec_seg_98715_300","created_at":"2026-10-31T05:11:12Z","speaker_name":"Fred A. Neil"},{"id":"seg_98715_301","meeting_id":"98715","media_asset_id":"med_98715_hls_9e64686ccadd5717","agenda_item_id":null,"speaker_id":"spk_98715_cheyenne_miller","speaker_confidence":0.95,"start_sec":4714.16,"end_sec":4718.65,"text":"We have, and I appreciate you taking the time. Cheyenne Miller, HOMES Campaign, um,","topics_json":"[\"housing\",\"homelessness\"]","vector_id":"vec_seg_98715_301","created_at":"2026-10-31T05:11:12Z","speaker_name":"Cheyenne Miller"},{"id":"seg_98715_302","meeting_id":"98715","media_asset_id":"med_98715_hls_9e64686ccadd5717","agenda_item_id":null,"speaker_id":"spk_98715_public_commenter","speaker_confidence":0.9,"start_sec":4718.65,"end_sec":4744.05,"text":"Come from Wilmington, and we're having similar issues up in Wilmington. And I'm a little disappointed because you guys put this ordinance up back in October. It's been about 5 months of debate on this ordinance. Five full months, and I've been checking the ordinances that have been popping up over that 5 months, and not near one has anything to do with addressing the issue of homelessness or addressing the issue of affordability in Dover","topics_json":"[\"homelessness\",\"housing\"]","vector_id":"vec_seg_98715_302","created_at":"2026-10-31T05:11:12Z","speaker_name":null},{"id":"seg_98715_303","meeting_id":"98715","media_asset_id":"med_98715_hls_9e64686ccadd5717","agenda_item_id":null,"speaker_id":"spk_98715_public_commenter","speaker_confidence":0.9,"start_sec":4745.85,"end_sec":4818.75,"text":"or addressing the issue of the quality of life, the types of jobs. It is extremely disappointing. We have the same problems all across the state, and all municipalities have said that they do not feel like they have the responsibility to deal with homelessness unless it comes down to the fact that they want to give them fines and arrest. One of the parts of this bill, since I don't think that there is that much care about whether or not people are experiencing homelessness and having to beg for help, what I think really matters is that","topics_json":"[\"homelessness\",\"public_safety\"]","vector_id":"vec_seg_98715_303","created_at":"2026-10-31T05:11:12Z","speaker_name":null},{"id":"seg_98715_304","meeting_id":"98715","media_asset_id":"med_98715_hls_9e64686ccadd5717","agenda_item_id":null,"speaker_id":"spk_98715_public_commenter","speaker_confidence":0.9,"start_sec":4818.75,"end_sec":4834.45,"text":"this bill says that no operator of a vehicle shall park, stop, or leave standing a vehicle, or permit a passenger to leave it on any city street where prohibited, or suddenly decrease the speed of said vehicle, or deviate from a traffic lane for the purpose of responding to persons violating this ordinance.","topics_json":"[\"public_safety\",\"homelessness\"]","vector_id":"vec_seg_98715_304","created_at":"2026-10-31T05:11:12Z","speaker_name":null},{"id":"seg_98715_305","meeting_id":"98715","media_asset_id":"med_98715_hls_9e64686ccadd5717","agenda_item_id":null,"speaker_id":"spk_98715_public_commenter","speaker_confidence":0.9,"start_sec":4835.15,"end_sec":4892.45,"text":"I think that this is the part that, if you don't care about the homeless, you should care about the drivers. You should care about people who have a First Amendment right to respond to people as they need to. But also, you should care about the fact that when a driver is stopping to help someone, that that is the place that you are going to be getting the money from. The Dover City Council had a hearing about its budget and said essentially that they are not making enough money to cover the needs of the city. Most cities that can't make enough money decide instead that they want to fine people instead of looking at tax reforms. Fining people is a way to be able to raise money without having to, again, go through the process of creating new taxes. You will not get the money from the people experiencing homelessness, but I promise you you will get the money from the people who are driving. Because those who are driving that are fined under this won't be able to renew their licenses, won't be able to renew their registration. They're the ones who are going to pay. I know we're saying that the city does not want to do a whole fine thing and that's not something we're trying to do, but the reality of the ordinance is that you have the power and the the the the the power to actually say that you're going to fine someone. And I promise you you will not get the money from the individuals who are panhandling. You won't get the money from the individuals who are selling and soliciting on the side of the street for their business, the tax guy flipping the thingy, but you will get it from the drivers. And so again, I ask you all vote no on this. Come up with some real solutions for homelessness. You have a responsibility to your city, and as a person who drives through here all the time, I'll be ready for my ticket.","topics_json":"[\"homelessness\",\"budget\",\"taxes\",\"public_safety\"]","vector_id":"vec_seg_98715_305","created_at":"2026-10-31T05:11:12Z","speaker_name":null},{"id":"seg_98715_306","meeting_id":"98715","media_asset_id":"med_98715_hls_9e64686ccadd5717","agenda_item_id":null,"speaker_id":"off_fred_a_neil","speaker_confidence":0.95,"start_sec":4893.05,"end_sec":4894.35,"text":"Next speaker, Madam Clerk.","topics_json":"[]","vector_id":"vec_seg_98715_306","created_at":"2026-10-31T05:11:12Z","speaker_name":"Fred A. 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I grew up","topics_json":"[\"public_safety\"]","vector_id":"vec_seg_98715_308","created_at":"2026-10-31T05:11:12Z","speaker_name":"Jeannie Anderson"},{"id":"seg_98715_309","meeting_id":"98715","media_asset_id":"med_98715_hls_9e64686ccadd5717","agenda_item_id":null,"speaker_id":"spk_98715_public_commenter","speaker_confidence":0.85,"start_sec":4915.76,"end_sec":4989.76,"text":"Yeah privilege. I grew up in an abusive home, and what I experienced coming into this meeting, I'm telling you, I'm at a light, and I can't get away from a strange man banging on my door! And if I did, if I could go through the light, I would get a ticket. What about people like me? And yet every time I come in here, I hear about my privilege. Right. I called 911, and I told you all that before, but you went to the media, and you said it's a lack of integrity if she didn't. Well, I did call 911. I am tired of this. I want to know what about people like me that have been abused? That have been abused, and can't get away from some man, some strange man banging on my window over and over again? And you and you go on about church and oh how we don't care about the homeless and all that, all these homeless Pastor Boggerty, what y'all - oh my god, they have a homeless shelter, they help homeless people all the time. David does fundraisers all the time. We help people all the time! But I want to know what about people like me that have been abused, and I can't leave, I can't get away. There are a lot of people like me. Go on WBOC and all these people talking about these people trying to get in in their doors and open their doors, and you want to talk about privilege. Oh my god, you should have seen the privilege I grew up with. I'm sick of this.","topics_json":"[\"public_safety\",\"homelessness\"]","vector_id":"vec_seg_98715_309","created_at":"2026-10-31T05:11:12Z","speaker_name":null},{"id":"seg_98715_31","meeting_id":"98715","media_asset_id":"med_98715_hls_9e64686ccadd5717","agenda_item_id":null,"speaker_id":"spk_98715_city_clerk","speaker_confidence":0.95,"start_sec":359.81,"end_sec":360.81,"text":"Dr. Sudler?","topics_json":"[]","vector_id":"vec_seg_98715_31","created_at":"2026-10-31T05:11:11Z","speaker_name":"City Clerk"},{"id":"seg_98715_310","meeting_id":"98715","media_asset_id":"med_98715_hls_9e64686ccadd5717","agenda_item_id":null,"speaker_id":"off_fred_a_neil","speaker_confidence":0.95,"start_sec":4991.76,"end_sec":4993.26,"text":"Madam Clerk.","topics_json":"[]","vector_id":"vec_seg_98715_310","created_at":"2026-10-31T05:11:12Z","speaker_name":"Fred A. Neil"},{"id":"seg_98715_311","meeting_id":"98715","media_asset_id":"med_98715_hls_9e64686ccadd5717","agenda_item_id":null,"speaker_id":"spk_98715_city_clerk","speaker_confidence":0.95,"start_sec":4993.76,"end_sec":4995.76,"text":"Amber Kennedy?","topics_json":"[]","vector_id":"vec_seg_98715_311","created_at":"2026-10-31T05:11:12Z","speaker_name":"City Clerk"},{"id":"seg_98715_312","meeting_id":"98715","media_asset_id":"med_98715_hls_9e64686ccadd5717","agenda_item_id":null,"speaker_id":"spk_98715_amber_kennedy","speaker_confidence":0.95,"start_sec":5000.26,"end_sec":5111.86,"text":"Uh good evening. My name is Amber Kennedy. I live in Magnolia, but I work and I've - in Dover, and I've been here for 30 years. Um I just want to state that I'm for this ordinance um for multiple different reasons. The projections make, you know, there's back and forth feeling on it, but it's not If you read the title, it's safety. We're all about safety and making Delaware, Dover, better. Right now we need to work on what's best for Dover, and it's not a homeless situation that's not part of this ordinance. It absolutely needs to be addressed, and issues need to be addressed that are not included in this bill. The homeless, the panhandling, and figuring out a better solution absolutely needs to be addressed, but that's not what this bill about. This bill is about keeping everybody safe, and I think it it's it's flipped. And what needs to have happened what needs to have happened is we all need to work together and find a solution and call it as it is. There is a homeless population problem, there is a panhandling problem, and there is a mental health issue that needs to be resolved separate from this bill. I implore you to pass this to help better Dover. We need to make Dover the hotspot it can and should be, and worry about the issues. This bill has gotten a lot of runaround on different stories, but we need to focus on what it really means. It's being twist and turned and flipped and flipped. If we want to do a homeless bill, let's work on it. Let's call everybody out that hasn't helped. If we want to do a mental health bill, that's ordinance, let's work on that. Let's not twist something that's here to help and here to make Dover better because of semantics. It doesn't make sense. It needs to be called out that there are absolutely issues in Dover that need to be addressed. They're not getting addressed, and I agree with you guys. Absolutely, I agree with you. And it's time to make our voices heard and stop twisting and and twirling safe ordinances into something they're not. It is an absolute safety issue of","topics_json":"[\"public_safety\",\"homelessness\"]","vector_id":"vec_seg_98715_312","created_at":"2026-10-31T05:11:12Z","speaker_name":"Amber Kennedy"},{"id":"seg_98715_313","meeting_id":"98715","media_asset_id":"med_98715_hls_9e64686ccadd5717","agenda_item_id":null,"speaker_id":"spk_98715_public_speaker","speaker_confidence":0.85,"start_sec":5111.87,"end_sec":5118.04,"text":"multiple different levels and including that it's a trash issue, because there's often trash in the middle of the medians. And then, who's responsible for picking that up? So that's just a side note,","topics_json":"[\"public_safety\"]","vector_id":"vec_seg_98715_313","created_at":"2026-10-31T05:11:12Z","speaker_name":null},{"id":"seg_98715_314","meeting_id":"98715","media_asset_id":"med_98715_hls_9e64686ccadd5717","agenda_item_id":null,"speaker_id":"spk_98715_unknown_speaker","speaker_confidence":0.5,"start_sec":5118.04,"end_sec":5118.85,"text":"shut up.","topics_json":"[]","vector_id":"vec_seg_98715_314","created_at":"2026-10-31T05:11:12Z","speaker_name":null},{"id":"seg_98715_315","meeting_id":"98715","media_asset_id":"med_98715_hls_9e64686ccadd5717","agenda_item_id":null,"speaker_id":"spk_98715_public_speaker","speaker_confidence":0.85,"start_sec":5118.85,"end_sec":5121.11,"text":"but it really needs to be addressed and it needs to be segregated.","topics_json":"[]","vector_id":"vec_seg_98715_315","created_at":"2026-10-31T05:11:12Z","speaker_name":null},{"id":"seg_98715_316","meeting_id":"98715","media_asset_id":"med_98715_hls_9e64686ccadd5717","agenda_item_id":null,"speaker_id":"spk_98715_public_speaker","speaker_confidence":0.85,"start_sec":5123.17,"end_sec":5181.07,"text":"The value The points that have been spoken this afternoon are very valid, and there are multiple different issues that need to be addressed, but this ordinance is not the time or place, because what you're actually doing is taking away the real problem and the real things that need to be addressed by focusing on something that has nothing to do with the homeless and the panhandling and the mental illness that's happening in Dover. It's absolutely a safety issue, not a panhandling issue. And that's what needs to happen, is we can't get it clouded, because at the end of the day, if it's muddied, we're never going to get this situation fixed. And that's what needs to happen, is we need to separate the true issue and get this passed, and then work on the issues that are at hand and not sugarcoat anything and call it out by the city, by the state, and that's what needs to happen. We can't sugarcoat anything and hide it behind whatever it's going to be. This is a safety issue. This is a good ordinance, and I'm very much behind it. Thank you very much.","topics_json":"[\"homelessness\",\"public_safety\"]","vector_id":"vec_seg_98715_316","created_at":"2026-10-31T05:11:12Z","speaker_name":null},{"id":"seg_98715_317","meeting_id":"98715","media_asset_id":"med_98715_hls_9e64686ccadd5717","agenda_item_id":null,"speaker_id":"off_fred_a_neil","speaker_confidence":0.9,"start_sec":5181.36,"end_sec":5182.11,"text":"Thank you.","topics_json":"[]","vector_id":"vec_seg_98715_317","created_at":"2026-10-31T05:11:12Z","speaker_name":"Fred A. Neil"},{"id":"seg_98715_318","meeting_id":"98715","media_asset_id":"med_98715_hls_9e64686ccadd5717","agenda_item_id":null,"speaker_id":"off_fred_a_neil","speaker_confidence":0.9,"start_sec":5183.62,"end_sec":5184.45,"text":"Madam Clerk.","topics_json":"[]","vector_id":"vec_seg_98715_318","created_at":"2026-10-31T05:11:12Z","speaker_name":"Fred A. 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My name is Katrina Stubbs, as clerk just stated, and I have been homeless multiple times since 2016. And as she perfectly just stated everything, um this is totally different. Homelessness, panhandling, mental health totally different. This is something dealing with safety. And I have been in a vehicle where individuals have jumped right in front of us to get the resources that they were individuals were wanting to get. It is a safety issue, and I think you should definitely vote for this. Um like I just stated, I've been homeless multiple times. I've never had to, thank God, never had to be out on the street to panhandle because I've had resources from churches, food stamps, and other community leaders include including councilmen that have helped me, both Councilman David Anderson and Councilman Brian Lewis. They have helped me and have directed me into the different resources that needed to that I needed to receive. And as the lady just stated, there is a homelessness situation. And I and when that meeting takes place, I definitely want to be a part of that, because the average person cannot afford close to $2,000 a month. I mean, the rent is so expensive. And again, that's a whole totally different issue than what this is um what what tonight is about, but I would definitely pass this because it is safety. And I've been in a vehicle where individuals have jumped in front. Thank you.","topics_json":"[\"homelessness\",\"public_safety\",\"housing\"]","vector_id":"vec_seg_98715_321","created_at":"2026-10-31T05:11:12Z","speaker_name":"Katrina Stubbs"},{"id":"seg_98715_322","meeting_id":"98715","media_asset_id":"med_98715_hls_9e64686ccadd5717","agenda_item_id":null,"speaker_id":"off_fred_a_neil","speaker_confidence":0.9,"start_sec":5297.43,"end_sec":5298.2,"text":"Thank you.","topics_json":"[]","vector_id":"vec_seg_98715_322","created_at":"2026-10-31T05:11:12Z","speaker_name":"Fred A. 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I'm Jeff Molinda, and I live in the Third District here in the city of Dover. I'm pretty new, and so I'm not well versed on open meetings and that sort of thing. So I'm just going to register","topics_json":"[]","vector_id":"vec_seg_98715_325","created_at":"2026-10-31T05:11:12Z","speaker_name":"Jeff Molinda"},{"id":"seg_98715_326","meeting_id":"98715","media_asset_id":"med_98715_hls_9e64686ccadd5717","agenda_item_id":null,"speaker_id":"spk_98715_public_commenter","speaker_confidence":0.9,"start_sec":5308.48,"end_sec":5477.6,"text":"register a record objection to this ordinance being heard tonight. I'm not clear that you've met the notice requirements, but the other thing that I noticed is that the ordinance that was displayed at the beginning of of considering this had two amendments to it, two and three, that were not on the version of the ordinance that I downloaded today um from the city's website. So I'm not sure that the city's made its its notice um requirements there. Um so after that, um it looks to me that this this ordinance is aimed at poor people, folks who were charged to help rather than to punish. Um chief said that this gets people that this ordinance provides for the ability to remove someone from the ordinance. I'm looking at the ordinance and it says violators may be charged a fine as specified in Appendix F, and there's a warning, there's a $15 fine, there's a $50 fine. Nothing in the ordinance permits an officer to remove the person from the median. The next thing is this is going to be a mess to enforce. The first driver who gets a ticket under this, and I'll say this to you as a former public defender, that driver's going to have their lawyer go out and measure where the person was standing, and then we're going to because in order for to to effectively enforce this against a driver, you have to prove that the person that they were handing the money to or whatever was violating the uh the ordinance. That's here in Section D. So you've got to prove, first of all, that there was a violation by the person standing there. Second, you got to prove that the person violated that. I'd much rather have the police officer cite the four people that went on that left-hand turn through the red light, which is a Delaware tradition I'm finding that I moved here, um than than write the or write the fine for the person who um who gave over the money. So you got a mess to enforce. The signage required is going to cost more to install and maintain than it'll ever bring in. Not a good use of council, police department, or city court to enforce it time.","topics_json":"[\"public_safety\",\"homelessness\"]","vector_id":"vec_seg_98715_326","created_at":"2026-10-31T05:11:12Z","speaker_name":null},{"id":"seg_98715_327","meeting_id":"98715","media_asset_id":"med_98715_hls_9e64686ccadd5717","agenda_item_id":null,"speaker_id":"off_fred_a_neil","speaker_confidence":0.95,"start_sec":5477.6,"end_sec":5479.3,"text":"Thank you.","topics_json":"[]","vector_id":"vec_seg_98715_327","created_at":"2026-10-31T05:11:12Z","speaker_name":"Fred A. Neil"},{"id":"seg_98715_328","meeting_id":"98715","media_asset_id":"med_98715_hls_9e64686ccadd5717","agenda_item_id":null,"speaker_id":"off_fred_a_neil","speaker_confidence":0.95,"start_sec":5482.98,"end_sec":5484.23,"text":"Madam Clerk.","topics_json":"[]","vector_id":"vec_seg_98715_328","created_at":"2026-10-31T05:11:12Z","speaker_name":"Fred A. Neil"},{"id":"seg_98715_329","meeting_id":"98715","media_asset_id":"med_98715_hls_9e64686ccadd5717","agenda_item_id":null,"speaker_id":"spk_98715_city_clerk","speaker_confidence":0.95,"start_sec":5485.78,"end_sec":5487.44,"text":"Reggie Daniel?","topics_json":"[]","vector_id":"vec_seg_98715_329","created_at":"2026-10-31T05:11:12Z","speaker_name":"City Clerk"},{"id":"seg_98715_33","meeting_id":"98715","media_asset_id":"med_98715_hls_9e64686ccadd5717","agenda_item_id":null,"speaker_id":"spk_98715_city_clerk","speaker_confidence":0.95,"start_sec":361.81,"end_sec":362.81,"text":"Mr. Lewis?","topics_json":"[]","vector_id":"vec_seg_98715_33","created_at":"2026-10-31T05:11:11Z","speaker_name":"City Clerk"},{"id":"seg_98715_330","meeting_id":"98715","media_asset_id":"med_98715_hls_9e64686ccadd5717","agenda_item_id":null,"speaker_id":"spk_98715_reggie_daniel","speaker_confidence":0.95,"start_sec":5487.78,"end_sec":5491.53,"text":"Uh, good evening, Council. Uh, first and foremost, it's just something--","topics_json":"[]","vector_id":"vec_seg_98715_330","created_at":"2026-10-31T05:11:12Z","speaker_name":"Reggie Daniel"},{"id":"seg_98715_331","meeting_id":"98715","media_asset_id":"med_98715_hls_9e64686ccadd5717","agenda_item_id":null,"speaker_id":"off_fred_a_neil","speaker_confidence":0.95,"start_sec":5491.58,"end_sec":5493.56,"text":"Can I have your name and and address?","topics_json":"[]","vector_id":"vec_seg_98715_331","created_at":"2026-10-31T05:11:12Z","speaker_name":"Fred A. Neil"},{"id":"seg_98715_332","meeting_id":"98715","media_asset_id":"med_98715_hls_9e64686ccadd5717","agenda_item_id":null,"speaker_id":"spk_98715_reggie_daniel","speaker_confidence":0.95,"start_sec":5493.58,"end_sec":5505.08,"text":"Oh, yes. Uh, I live in Townsend, Delaware. Um, just something that I think needs to be addressed is I've heard it uh a couple of times in previous meetings a concern about the activists, the advocates, the activists, the advocates--","topics_json":"[]","vector_id":"vec_seg_98715_332","created_at":"2026-10-31T05:11:12Z","speaker_name":"Reggie Daniel"},{"id":"seg_98715_333","meeting_id":"98715","media_asset_id":"med_98715_hls_9e64686ccadd5717","agenda_item_id":null,"speaker_id":"spk_98715_public_commenter","speaker_confidence":0.9,"start_sec":5505.09,"end_sec":5671.49,"text":"And in this time of Lenten season, and as a minister at Solid Rock Baptist Church, and to those who share my faith, I think it's important that we remember who our first activist was: Jesus Christ, the one who paid for our sins, those who believe in that. And though I may not live in Kent County or Dover anymore, I came here in 2000, now we moved out in 2025. I'm 27 years old. I've spent 98% of my life here. I grew up in Kent County. I was educated in Dover, I worship in Dover, I work in Dover, I volunteer in Dover. So while I may no longer be a resident, I'm still working to invest in the community that has invested so much into me. And while I understand the concern for safety, I do not believe that this can be resolved in the way in which we are doing so. I think what we need to address primarily, first and foremost, is this common denominator of a lack of affordability, a lack of access to resources, and a lack of a continuum of resources. Uh not too long ago, just last week, I had a conversation with an individual at the Railroad House who told me that um Dover Fire Department asked for $300,000 that could be going towards building a fence to protect their area from people who are struggling from addiction. But that $300,000 could go towards renovating any of the vacant properties in the area. Governor Meyer just put out his first budget where they've included $48 million towards affordable housing, homeless homelessness programs, community projects, and $1 million specifically allocated to address homelessness along with building hope centers in Kent and Sussex uh County. Dover Interfaith, at the same time, said in their IMA Social Action Committee meeting they are at 90% capacity. They need transitional housing. These are the things I think that we should be addressing. We need to continue to work towards addressing homelessness and drug use, but that funding and money are scarce. And those are the things I think City Council needs to be advocating to the state, and that while we always rely on charities and churches, charities and churches are not enough. A community is only successful when its leaders invest in its most vulnerable members in the same way we come to be activists and advocates. I ask that you be activists and advocates for your community, for the city of Dover, and sometimes that means that we have to get uncomfortable. We have to sometimes puff our chest out a bit. And to those of us especially in our City Council who are African-Americans, you know our history, that we've had to be uncomfortable, we've had to be in those spaces, we've had to say, 'Hey, I can't move on this, no matter what it looks like to me. I'm seeing between the lines, I'm seeing that devil in the details, and because of that we have to say no.' Thank you.","topics_json":"[\"homelessness\",\"housing\",\"budget\",\"public_safety\"]","vector_id":"vec_seg_98715_333","created_at":"2026-10-31T05:11:12Z","speaker_name":null},{"id":"seg_98715_334","meeting_id":"98715","media_asset_id":"med_98715_hls_9e64686ccadd5717","agenda_item_id":null,"speaker_id":"off_fred_a_neil","speaker_confidence":0.95,"start_sec":5675.19,"end_sec":5676.79,"text":"Madam Clerk.","topics_json":"[]","vector_id":"vec_seg_98715_334","created_at":"2026-10-31T05:11:12Z","speaker_name":"Fred A. Neil"},{"id":"seg_98715_335","meeting_id":"98715","media_asset_id":"med_98715_hls_9e64686ccadd5717","agenda_item_id":null,"speaker_id":"spk_98715_city_clerk","speaker_confidence":0.95,"start_sec":5676.89,"end_sec":5678.69,"text":"Chris Beardsley?","topics_json":"[]","vector_id":"vec_seg_98715_335","created_at":"2026-10-31T05:11:12Z","speaker_name":"City Clerk"},{"id":"seg_98715_336","meeting_id":"98715","media_asset_id":"med_98715_hls_9e64686ccadd5717","agenda_item_id":null,"speaker_id":"spk_98715_chris_beardsley","speaker_confidence":0.95,"start_sec":5679.19,"end_sec":5682.69,"text":"Did you violate the FOIA requirement by not moving the date for this?","topics_json":"[]","vector_id":"vec_seg_98715_336","created_at":"2026-10-31T05:11:12Z","speaker_name":"Chris Beardsley"},{"id":"seg_98715_337","meeting_id":"98715","media_asset_id":"med_98715_hls_9e64686ccadd5717","agenda_item_id":null,"speaker_id":"off_fred_a_neil","speaker_confidence":0.95,"start_sec":5682.79,"end_sec":5684.79,"text":"Can we have your name and address, sir?","topics_json":"[]","vector_id":"vec_seg_98715_337","created_at":"2026-10-31T05:11:12Z","speaker_name":"Fred A. Neil"},{"id":"seg_98715_338","meeting_id":"98715","media_asset_id":"med_98715_hls_9e64686ccadd5717","agenda_item_id":null,"speaker_id":"spk_98715_chris_beardsley","speaker_confidence":0.95,"start_sec":5684.89,"end_sec":5690.49,"text":"Sure. My name is Chris Beardsley, uh also running for US Senate, and I live in Townsend, Delaware. I I asked a question.","topics_json":"[]","vector_id":"vec_seg_98715_338","created_at":"2026-10-31T05:11:12Z","speaker_name":"Chris Beardsley"},{"id":"seg_98715_339","meeting_id":"98715","media_asset_id":"med_98715_hls_9e64686ccadd5717","agenda_item_id":null,"speaker_id":"off_fred_a_neil","speaker_confidence":0.95,"start_sec":5690.59,"end_sec":5692.39,"text":"What what question did you ask? I didn't...","topics_json":"[]","vector_id":"vec_seg_98715_339","created_at":"2026-10-31T05:11:12Z","speaker_name":"Fred A. 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It was scheduled for a final reading on March 9th. Was that a violation of the public notice rules?","topics_json":"[]","vector_id":"vec_seg_98715_346","created_at":"2026-10-31T05:11:12Z","speaker_name":null},{"id":"seg_98715_347","meeting_id":"98715","media_asset_id":"med_98715_hls_9e64686ccadd5717","agenda_item_id":null,"speaker_id":"off_roy_sudler_jr","speaker_confidence":0.9,"start_sec":5734.2,"end_sec":5740,"text":"I'll ask the sponsor, Councilman Anderson, legislative liaison.","topics_json":"[]","vector_id":"vec_seg_98715_347","created_at":"2026-10-31T05:11:12Z","speaker_name":"Roy Sudler, Jr."},{"id":"seg_98715_348","meeting_id":"98715","media_asset_id":"med_98715_hls_9e64686ccadd5717","agenda_item_id":null,"speaker_id":"off_brian_e_lewis","speaker_confidence":0.8,"start_sec":5741.2,"end_sec":5742.4,"text":"Point of order.","topics_json":"[]","vector_id":"vec_seg_98715_348","created_at":"2026-10-31T05:11:12Z","speaker_name":"Brian E. 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Christiansen"},{"id":"seg_98715_35","meeting_id":"98715","media_asset_id":"med_98715_hls_9e64686ccadd5717","agenda_item_id":null,"speaker_id":"spk_98715_city_clerk","speaker_confidence":0.95,"start_sec":363.81,"end_sec":364.71,"text":"Mr. Neil?","topics_json":"[]","vector_id":"vec_seg_98715_35","created_at":"2026-10-31T05:11:11Z","speaker_name":"City Clerk"},{"id":"seg_98715_350","meeting_id":"98715","media_asset_id":"med_98715_hls_9e64686ccadd5717","agenda_item_id":null,"speaker_id":"off_brian_e_lewis","speaker_confidence":0.8,"start_sec":5747.2,"end_sec":5748.6,"text":"In fact, point of order.","topics_json":"[]","vector_id":"vec_seg_98715_350","created_at":"2026-10-31T05:11:12Z","speaker_name":"Brian E. Lewis"},{"id":"seg_98715_351","meeting_id":"98715","media_asset_id":"med_98715_hls_9e64686ccadd5717","agenda_item_id":null,"speaker_id":"off_david_l_anderson","speaker_confidence":0.95,"start_sec":5748.8,"end_sec":5755.7,"text":"Now, Mr. President, I I will yield to the solicitor if I may.","topics_json":"[]","vector_id":"vec_seg_98715_351","created_at":"2026-10-31T05:11:12Z","speaker_name":"David L. Anderson"},{"id":"seg_98715_352","meeting_id":"98715","media_asset_id":"med_98715_hls_9e64686ccadd5717","agenda_item_id":null,"speaker_id":"off_roy_sudler_jr","speaker_confidence":0.9,"start_sec":5755.9,"end_sec":5758.3,"text":"Thank you. Solicitor.","topics_json":"[]","vector_id":"vec_seg_98715_352","created_at":"2026-10-31T05:11:12Z","speaker_name":"Roy Sudler, Jr."},{"id":"seg_98715_353","meeting_id":"98715","media_asset_id":"med_98715_hls_9e64686ccadd5717","agenda_item_id":null,"speaker_id":"spk_98715_city_solicitor","speaker_confidence":0.9,"start_sec":5758.7,"end_sec":5833.3,"text":"Thank you. Um, so the the public meeting notice requirement only requires that an agenda or notice include the a general statement of the major issues to be discussed at the meeting. And the Delaware statute of the Open Meetings Law specifically provides that it may be amended from in advance of the meeting. So the agenda as originally posted included a general statement of the major issues to be addressed during tonight, and it was amended in accordance with FOIA.","topics_json":"[]","vector_id":"vec_seg_98715_353","created_at":"2026-10-31T05:11:12Z","speaker_name":null},{"id":"seg_98715_354","meeting_id":"98715","media_asset_id":"med_98715_hls_9e64686ccadd5717","agenda_item_id":null,"speaker_id":"spk_98715_public_commenter_2","speaker_confidence":0.9,"start_sec":5833.7,"end_sec":5836,"text":"Did you violate Council rules?","topics_json":"[]","vector_id":"vec_seg_98715_354","created_at":"2026-10-31T05:11:12Z","speaker_name":null},{"id":"seg_98715_355","meeting_id":"98715","media_asset_id":"med_98715_hls_9e64686ccadd5717","agenda_item_id":null,"speaker_id":"off_david_l_anderson","speaker_confidence":0.95,"start_sec":5836.5,"end_sec":5840.9,"text":"Did you violate Council rules? I I don't know what Council rules you're talking about.","topics_json":"[]","vector_id":"vec_seg_98715_355","created_at":"2026-10-31T05:11:12Z","speaker_name":"David L. Anderson"},{"id":"seg_98715_356","meeting_id":"98715","media_asset_id":"med_98715_hls_9e64686ccadd5717","agenda_item_id":null,"speaker_id":"spk_98715_public_commenter_2","speaker_confidence":0.9,"start_sec":5841.1,"end_sec":5847.4,"text":"The rules on the procedure of an ordinance that was sent back and then notified to the community as being a first reading at tonight's meeting.","topics_json":"[]","vector_id":"vec_seg_98715_356","created_at":"2026-10-31T05:11:12Z","speaker_name":null},{"id":"seg_98715_357","meeting_id":"98715","media_asset_id":"med_98715_hls_9e64686ccadd5717","agenda_item_id":null,"speaker_id":"off_david_l_anderson","speaker_confidence":0.95,"start_sec":5847.5,"end_sec":5849.5,"text":"I think the short answer is no.","topics_json":"[]","vector_id":"vec_seg_98715_357","created_at":"2026-10-31T05:11:12Z","speaker_name":"David L. Anderson"},{"id":"seg_98715_358","meeting_id":"98715","media_asset_id":"med_98715_hls_9e64686ccadd5717","agenda_item_id":null,"speaker_id":"spk_98715_public_commenter_2","speaker_confidence":0.9,"start_sec":5849.6,"end_sec":5852,"text":"Okay. I'm sorry for taking your time.","topics_json":"[]","vector_id":"vec_seg_98715_358","created_at":"2026-10-31T05:11:12Z","speaker_name":null},{"id":"seg_98715_359","meeting_id":"98715","media_asset_id":"med_98715_hls_9e64686ccadd5717","agenda_item_id":null,"speaker_id":"off_david_l_anderson","speaker_confidence":0.95,"start_sec":5852.1,"end_sec":5858.1,"text":"No. Anything for you. Anything for you.","topics_json":"[]","vector_id":"vec_seg_98715_359","created_at":"2026-10-31T05:11:12Z","speaker_name":"David L. Anderson"},{"id":"seg_98715_36","meeting_id":"98715","media_asset_id":"med_98715_hls_9e64686ccadd5717","agenda_item_id":null,"speaker_id":"off_fred_a_neil","speaker_confidence":0.95,"start_sec":364.81,"end_sec":365.41,"text":"No.","topics_json":"[]","vector_id":"vec_seg_98715_36","created_at":"2026-10-31T05:11:11Z","speaker_name":"Fred A. Neil"},{"id":"seg_98715_360","meeting_id":"98715","media_asset_id":"med_98715_hls_9e64686ccadd5717","agenda_item_id":null,"speaker_id":"spk_98715_public_commenter_3","speaker_confidence":0.9,"start_sec":5858.5,"end_sec":5898.3,"text":"What we need to discuss is that we want people to understand we need we need to make this about homelessness, okay? In high school, my driver's ed teacher sat us in front of us and gave us a short quiz. He said, \"Is driving a right or a privilege?\" We learned, contrary to what most of us wanted to believe, that driving is a privilege and not a right. This is the third hearing that I've been to, and it's beyond a level of frustration to listen to a logic of privilege that prioritizes the logic over rights. Yet this is the reality that we are all trying to survive in. How can we make the most vulnerable exist in the world of the privileged? The rights of free movement free movement are so natural that we have gotten so far that we don't even realize how unnatural the world that we are living in is. Even in the limited victory in the settlement between the LC ACLU and the AG, we have listened to countless upon countless hours of Council President, Councilman Anderson, the police chief, and the solicitor general tiptoe around violating the AG settlement. By tiptoeing and trying to be clever by half, you are knowingly walking into a lawsuit that is going to cost the city time and resources when they're at their lowest. This is a reactionary measure perpetuated to cause more pain than any real solution. Countless of countless of people are trying to survive this very moment, and here we are asking ourselves how we can make it worse, not better. I worked at the","topics_json":"[\"homelessness\",\"public_safety\"]","vector_id":"vec_seg_98715_360","created_at":"2026-10-31T05:11:12Z","speaker_name":null},{"id":"seg_98715_361","meeting_id":"98715","media_asset_id":"med_98715_hls_9e64686ccadd5717","agenda_item_id":null,"speaker_id":"spk_98715_public_commenter","speaker_confidence":0.9,"start_sec":5898.31,"end_sec":5985.11,"text":"Department of Housing and Urban Development, and we're seeing continued increases of homelessness. We had to delay the PIT count again. And when I worked there, we would ask ourselves how could anyone pass these types of legislations which they know are going to have a disparate impact on the homeless and still decide to pass them? We spent five months, as my colleague Cheyenne Miller said, and we would prefer to have spent five months dealing with the core issue. Why are people out there in the streets to begin with? Okay, people are homeless and need resources. You talk about making Dover, Delaware, we talk about wanting to make Dover, Delaware, caring for the people of Dover. You said about saving one life. What about all the lives that are out there every single day struggling in and day in and day out? Do any of those lives matter to you? It seems like we only care about the people that are in cars or separated from all the separated from all the pain. My family has been homeless. They're not drug addicts. And recently I got them help, not because of the state, but because I was able to pull family together. We need more help, and you've wasted five months of everyone's time on something that is causing more pain and more sorrow. And I commend you for mentioning Ramadan because I had to break my fast to come to this outside, but this is a time when we need to draw ourselves closer to people in pain, not towards people in privilege. And I hear people talk about dogs, that's messed up, and I want to say that. Thank you all.","topics_json":"[\"homelessness\",\"housing\",\"public_safety\"]","vector_id":"vec_seg_98715_361","created_at":"2026-10-31T05:11:12Z","speaker_name":null},{"id":"seg_98715_362","meeting_id":"98715","media_asset_id":"med_98715_hls_9e64686ccadd5717","agenda_item_id":null,"speaker_id":"off_fred_a_neil","speaker_confidence":0.95,"start_sec":5987.51,"end_sec":5989.01,"text":"Madam Clerk.","topics_json":"[]","vector_id":"vec_seg_98715_362","created_at":"2026-10-31T05:11:12Z","speaker_name":"Fred A. Neil"},{"id":"seg_98715_363","meeting_id":"98715","media_asset_id":"med_98715_hls_9e64686ccadd5717","agenda_item_id":null,"speaker_id":"spk_98715_city_clerk","speaker_confidence":0.95,"start_sec":5989.21,"end_sec":5994.81,"text":"Uh we have online now, it would be Mimi Sublist?","topics_json":"[]","vector_id":"vec_seg_98715_363","created_at":"2026-10-31T05:11:12Z","speaker_name":"City Clerk"},{"id":"seg_98715_364","meeting_id":"98715","media_asset_id":"med_98715_hls_9e64686ccadd5717","agenda_item_id":null,"speaker_id":"spk_98715_audience_member","speaker_confidence":0.7,"start_sec":6019.01,"end_sec":6020.71,"text":"He wanna talk, he came late.","topics_json":"[]","vector_id":"vec_seg_98715_364","created_at":"2026-10-31T05:11:12Z","speaker_name":null},{"id":"seg_98715_365","meeting_id":"98715","media_asset_id":"med_98715_hls_9e64686ccadd5717","agenda_item_id":null,"speaker_id":"spk_98715_city_clerk","speaker_confidence":0.95,"start_sec":6020.81,"end_sec":6023.31,"text":"Yeah, I have a list of online people first.","topics_json":"[]","vector_id":"vec_seg_98715_365","created_at":"2026-10-31T05:11:12Z","speaker_name":"City Clerk"},{"id":"seg_98715_366","meeting_id":"98715","media_asset_id":"med_98715_hls_9e64686ccadd5717","agenda_item_id":null,"speaker_id":"spk_98715_council_member","speaker_confidence":0.75,"start_sec":6026.81,"end_sec":6031.91,"text":"Did she write in the chat, Crystal? I can't read that far. Did she write her comment?","topics_json":"[]","vector_id":"vec_seg_98715_366","created_at":"2026-10-31T05:11:12Z","speaker_name":null},{"id":"seg_98715_367","meeting_id":"98715","media_asset_id":"med_98715_hls_9e64686ccadd5717","agenda_item_id":null,"speaker_id":"spk_98715_city_clerk","speaker_confidence":0.95,"start_sec":6032.41,"end_sec":6033.51,"text":"No.","topics_json":"[]","vector_id":"vec_seg_98715_367","created_at":"2026-10-31T05:11:12Z","speaker_name":"City Clerk"},{"id":"seg_98715_368","meeting_id":"98715","media_asset_id":"med_98715_hls_9e64686ccadd5717","agenda_item_id":null,"speaker_id":"spk_98715_council_member","speaker_confidence":0.75,"start_sec":6039.91,"end_sec":6042.41,"text":"Can you move her to a panelist, please?","topics_json":"[]","vector_id":"vec_seg_98715_368","created_at":"2026-10-31T05:11:12Z","speaker_name":null},{"id":"seg_98715_369","meeting_id":"98715","media_asset_id":"med_98715_hls_9e64686ccadd5717","agenda_item_id":null,"speaker_id":"spk_98715_mimi_sublist","speaker_confidence":0.9,"start_sec":6057.31,"end_sec":6059.01,"text":"Can you hear me now?","topics_json":"[]","vector_id":"vec_seg_98715_369","created_at":"2026-10-31T05:11:12Z","speaker_name":"Mimi Sublist"},{"id":"seg_98715_37","meeting_id":"98715","media_asset_id":"med_98715_hls_9e64686ccadd5717","agenda_item_id":null,"speaker_id":"spk_98715_city_clerk","speaker_confidence":0.95,"start_sec":365.61,"end_sec":369.41,"text":"Motion fails 1 2 3, 6-no.","topics_json":"[]","vector_id":"vec_seg_98715_37","created_at":"2026-10-31T05:11:11Z","speaker_name":"City Clerk"},{"id":"seg_98715_370","meeting_id":"98715","media_asset_id":"med_98715_hls_9e64686ccadd5717","agenda_item_id":null,"speaker_id":"off_fred_a_neil","speaker_confidence":0.9,"start_sec":6059.71,"end_sec":6060.61,"text":"Yes.","topics_json":"[]","vector_id":"vec_seg_98715_370","created_at":"2026-10-31T05:11:12Z","speaker_name":"Fred A. Neil"},{"id":"seg_98715_371","meeting_id":"98715","media_asset_id":"med_98715_hls_9e64686ccadd5717","agenda_item_id":null,"speaker_id":"spk_98715_mimi_sublist","speaker_confidence":0.95,"start_sec":6060.81,"end_sec":6094.91,"text":"All right. So, I've been listening to people talk about unhoused folks like they're drug addicts and violent violent jumping criminals. So, I need everyone to listen really, really carefully because a few isolated incidents do not give you permission to smear an entire group of people. I've been harassed. And yes, I'm also a victim of abuse to the person who said that, but I would never assume that everyone asking for help is like that. Assault is illegal. Harassment is already illegal. If someone attacks someone, prosecute that person. If someone jumps into the","topics_json":"[\"homelessness\",\"public_safety\"]","vector_id":"vec_seg_98715_371","created_at":"2026-10-31T05:11:12Z","speaker_name":"Mimi Sublist"},{"id":"seg_98715_372","meeting_id":"98715","media_asset_id":"med_98715_hls_9e64686ccadd5717","agenda_item_id":null,"speaker_id":"spk_98715_public_commenter","speaker_confidence":0.9,"start_sec":6094.92,"end_sec":6231.52,"text":"is already enforceable. Do not pretend this ordinance is a crime-fighting strategy. My partner was on the streets as an addict. He said most people out there aren't dangerous, they're not looking for trouble, and they're not criminals. They're people who are knocked down and cannot get back on their feet, because getting on your feet requires support. He found support, and most people don't. These are not \"those people.\" These are people. Someone's child, someone's sibling, and someone's parent. Do you do you think my my partner's mother just woke up one day and say, \"Well, my kid's going to grow up to be an addict on the streets\"? No! That is not how this works, and you know it. One crisis, one eviction, one medical bill, one relapse, one abusive situation, and that is you out there. People get sick, people get hurt, people lose jobs, people lose housing, people lose support. And and you can say all day this is not about panhandling, you can say it's not about homelessness, but why does this ordinance only make sense when you picture a poor person on that median? The law does not care what you say; it cares about who it hits, and this will hit poor and unhoused people. And I heard, what did she say, it it gives them a warning and time to get help? Help from where? Which guaranteed low-barrier bed? A warning is not housing. If your goal is truly to get people off the intersection, get those programs you keep talking about up and running first, and reduce street presence that way. Stop punishing people when you have no clear alternatives. Please vote no on this ordinance. Thank you.","topics_json":"[\"homelessness\",\"housing\",\"public_safety\"]","vector_id":"vec_seg_98715_372","created_at":"2026-10-31T05:11:12Z","speaker_name":null},{"id":"seg_98715_373","meeting_id":"98715","media_asset_id":"med_98715_hls_9e64686ccadd5717","agenda_item_id":null,"speaker_id":"off_fred_a_neil","speaker_confidence":0.95,"start_sec":6236.92,"end_sec":6242.12,"text":"Thank you, ma'am. Next we have Miriam Dede?","topics_json":"[]","vector_id":"vec_seg_98715_373","created_at":"2026-10-31T05:11:12Z","speaker_name":"Fred A. Neil"},{"id":"seg_98715_374","meeting_id":"98715","media_asset_id":"med_98715_hls_9e64686ccadd5717","agenda_item_id":null,"speaker_id":"spk_98715_miriam_dede_um","speaker_confidence":0.95,"start_sec":6246.02,"end_sec":6291.52,"text":"Hi, my name is Miriam Dede. Um, I'm Wilmington, Delaware, but I often come to Dover. Um, and, um, yes, uh, I'm asking for council to please oppose this ordinance. It is both cruel and futile. Um, as many people have said today, people that are panhandling, the obvious target of this ordinance, are people. And fining people and ticketing them for simply trying to survive is is cruel. I also want to highlight how futile it is. Mimi stole what I was going to say. Um, all of the examples that we've heard today, first of all, are saying that there's behavior that makes them scared, or thing was caused by people that are panhandling, it's already illegal. Uh, banging on windows, that's harassment or disorderly conduct. Stepping into the way of traffic when not in a crosswalk and not with the light, that's jaywalking. Uh, jumping on a car until someone gets the resources they needed, that's that's robbery. Um, if the police are saying that they need tools for this behavior, they have those tools. But in order to use them, they're going to need to get out of their cars, they're going to need a community police, they're going to need to talk, and I think if they did that, um, we would have be having a very different conversation today. The police, when asked multiple times","topics_json":"[\"homelessness\",\"public_safety\"]","vector_id":"vec_seg_98715_374","created_at":"2026-10-31T05:11:12Z","speaker_name":"Miriam Dede. Um"},{"id":"seg_98715_375","meeting_id":"98715","media_asset_id":"med_98715_hls_9e64686ccadd5717","agenda_item_id":null,"speaker_id":"spk_98715_public_commenter","speaker_confidence":0.9,"start_sec":6291.53,"end_sec":6303.12,"text":"claims about whether there have been accidents caused by people who are panhandling, essentially said—I will summarize—that they know of no accidents caused by panhandling in Dover. This ordinance says that it's trying to solve a problem that simply does not exist.","topics_json":"[\"public_safety\"]","vector_id":"vec_seg_98715_375","created_at":"2026-10-31T05:11:12Z","speaker_name":null},{"id":"seg_98715_376","meeting_id":"98715","media_asset_id":"med_98715_hls_9e64686ccadd5717","agenda_item_id":null,"speaker_id":"spk_98715_public_commenter","speaker_confidence":0.9,"start_sec":6303.97,"end_sec":6331.63,"text":"And what I think is most important is that while we talk about this, we are wasting time. There is a real problem with people who are unhoused in our state, in Dover, and in municipalities across Delaware. And while we talk about creating new laws to ban behavior that isn't a problem or is already banned, we're wasting time that could be used to talk about creating more housing options, creating more treatment options. There are more people that are unhoused than there are beds for them in our state. People have to exist somewhere, and ordinances like this waste time and waste resources when we could be talking about real solutions. Thank you.","topics_json":"[\"homelessness\",\"housing\"]","vector_id":"vec_seg_98715_376","created_at":"2026-10-31T05:11:12Z","speaker_name":null},{"id":"seg_98715_377","meeting_id":"98715","media_asset_id":"med_98715_hls_9e64686ccadd5717","agenda_item_id":null,"speaker_id":"off_fred_a_neil","speaker_confidence":0.9,"start_sec":6333.27,"end_sec":6334.12,"text":"Madam Clerk.","topics_json":"[]","vector_id":"vec_seg_98715_377","created_at":"2026-10-31T05:11:12Z","speaker_name":"Fred A. 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We'll move ahead with the agenda. Consent agenda. We have before us a consent agenda.","topics_json":"[]","vector_id":"vec_seg_98715_38","created_at":"2026-10-31T05:11:11Z","speaker_name":"Fred A. Neil"},{"id":"seg_98715_380","meeting_id":"98715","media_asset_id":"med_98715_hls_9e64686ccadd5717","agenda_item_id":null,"speaker_id":"spk_98715_adam_witten","speaker_confidence":0.95,"start_sec":6372.8,"end_sec":6380.48,"text":"So, um, I want to make a potential suggestion for an amendment that I think could bring us to an understanding here. Uh, so I hope you'll hear me out.","topics_json":"[]","vector_id":"vec_seg_98715_380","created_at":"2026-10-31T05:11:12Z","speaker_name":"Adam Witten"},{"id":"seg_98715_381","meeting_id":"98715","media_asset_id":"med_98715_hls_9e64686ccadd5717","agenda_item_id":null,"speaker_id":"spk_98715_adam_witten","speaker_confidence":0.95,"start_sec":6380.91,"end_sec":6389.59,"text":"I think, um, there has been a lot of focus, uh, on the homeless here, but I think that this, uh, ordinance could be applied to another group that really hasn't been talked about.","topics_json":"[\"homelessness\"]","vector_id":"vec_seg_98715_381","created_at":"2026-10-31T05:11:12Z","speaker_name":"Adam Witten"},{"id":"seg_98715_382","meeting_id":"98715","media_asset_id":"med_98715_hls_9e64686ccadd5717","agenda_item_id":null,"speaker_id":"spk_98715_adam_witten","speaker_confidence":0.95,"start_sec":6390.23,"end_sec":6394.56,"text":"Um, there's this gang and they look like they're doing drugs to me, and they're all wearing the same color.","topics_json":"[]","vector_id":"vec_seg_98715_382","created_at":"2026-10-31T05:11:12Z","speaker_name":"Adam Witten"},{"id":"seg_98715_383","meeting_id":"98715","media_asset_id":"med_98715_hls_9e64686ccadd5717","agenda_item_id":null,"speaker_id":"spk_98715_adam_witten","speaker_confidence":0.95,"start_sec":6394.92,"end_sec":6400.47,"text":"I've seen them way out past the median many times, and they steal hundreds of dollars from their victims rather than asking.","topics_json":"[\"public_safety\"]","vector_id":"vec_seg_98715_383","created_at":"2026-10-31T05:11:12Z","speaker_name":"Adam Witten"},{"id":"seg_98715_384","meeting_id":"98715","media_asset_id":"med_98715_hls_9e64686ccadd5717","agenda_item_id":null,"speaker_id":"spk_98715_adam_witten","speaker_confidence":0.95,"start_sec":6401.03,"end_sec":6434.24,"text":"Um, I think we should add the amendment that targets these people, um, and they're called the police.","topics_json":"[\"public_safety\"]","vector_id":"vec_seg_98715_384","created_at":"2026-10-31T05:11:12Z","speaker_name":"Adam Witten"},{"id":"seg_98715_385","meeting_id":"98715","media_asset_id":"med_98715_hls_9e64686ccadd5717","agenda_item_id":null,"speaker_id":"spk_98715_adam_witten","speaker_confidence":0.95,"start_sec":6434.6,"end_sec":6443.41,"text":"Um, I haven't seen any panhandlers, uh, causing accidents, but I have seen a cop on 95 throw a Black man over the road railing and then tase him. What about that man's public safety?","topics_json":"[\"public_safety\"]","vector_id":"vec_seg_98715_385","created_at":"2026-10-31T05:11:12Z","speaker_name":"Adam Witten"},{"id":"seg_98715_386","meeting_id":"98715","media_asset_id":"med_98715_hls_9e64686ccadd5717","agenda_item_id":null,"speaker_id":"spk_98715_adam_witten","speaker_confidence":0.95,"start_sec":6443.91,"end_sec":6447.96,"text":"I've seen a lot of people, uh, talking about, is this about panhandling or not?","topics_json":"[]","vector_id":"vec_seg_98715_386","created_at":"2026-10-31T05:11:12Z","speaker_name":"Adam Witten"},{"id":"seg_98715_387","meeting_id":"98715","media_asset_id":"med_98715_hls_9e64686ccadd5717","agenda_item_id":null,"speaker_id":"spk_98715_adam_witten","speaker_confidence":0.95,"start_sec":6448.39,"end_sec":6458.49,"text":"Why are we pretending like Dover City Council isn't working with the state, with AG, uh, to have a statewide joint effort to basically harass people trying to make ends meet?","topics_json":"[\"homelessness\"]","vector_id":"vec_seg_98715_387","created_at":"2026-10-31T05:11:12Z","speaker_name":"Adam Witten"},{"id":"seg_98715_388","meeting_id":"98715","media_asset_id":"med_98715_hls_9e64686ccadd5717","agenda_item_id":null,"speaker_id":"spk_98715_adam_witten","speaker_confidence":0.95,"start_sec":6458.84,"end_sec":6471.15,"text":"The skyrocketing rent and these kind of laws, uh, to satisfy the landlord's greed, these are connected. This is the prison-industrial complex playing out in real time. I've heard a lot of people make appeals to the teachings of Jesus. The only God these people serve is money. Thank you.","topics_json":"[\"housing\"]","vector_id":"vec_seg_98715_388","created_at":"2026-10-31T05:11:12Z","speaker_name":"Adam Witten"},{"id":"seg_98715_389","meeting_id":"98715","media_asset_id":"med_98715_hls_9e64686ccadd5717","agenda_item_id":null,"speaker_id":"off_fred_a_neil","speaker_confidence":0.9,"start_sec":6475.27,"end_sec":6476.12,"text":"Madam Clerk.","topics_json":"[]","vector_id":"vec_seg_98715_389","created_at":"2026-10-31T05:11:12Z","speaker_name":"Fred A. Neil"},{"id":"seg_98715_39","meeting_id":"98715","media_asset_id":"med_98715_hls_9e64686ccadd5717","agenda_item_id":null,"speaker_id":"spk_98715_city_clerk","speaker_confidence":0.95,"start_sec":376.01,"end_sec":377.41,"text":"Mr. Anderson's calling on you.","topics_json":"[]","vector_id":"vec_seg_98715_39","created_at":"2026-10-31T05:11:11Z","speaker_name":"City Clerk"},{"id":"seg_98715_390","meeting_id":"98715","media_asset_id":"med_98715_hls_9e64686ccadd5717","agenda_item_id":null,"speaker_id":"spk_98715_city_clerk","speaker_confidence":0.95,"start_sec":6476.19,"end_sec":6477.12,"text":"Brandon Fletcher?","topics_json":"[]","vector_id":"vec_seg_98715_390","created_at":"2026-10-31T05:11:12Z","speaker_name":"City Clerk"},{"id":"seg_98715_391","meeting_id":"98715","media_asset_id":"med_98715_hls_9e64686ccadd5717","agenda_item_id":null,"speaker_id":"spk_98715_city_clerk","speaker_confidence":0.9,"start_sec":6477.97,"end_sec":6480.89,"text":"No. Um, after that is Sean Samat?","topics_json":"[]","vector_id":"vec_seg_98715_391","created_at":"2026-10-31T05:11:12Z","speaker_name":"City Clerk"},{"id":"seg_98715_392","meeting_id":"98715","media_asset_id":"med_98715_hls_9e64686ccadd5717","agenda_item_id":null,"speaker_id":"spk_98715_sean_sennett","speaker_confidence":0.95,"start_sec":6481.6,"end_sec":6488.14,"text":"Maybe. Um, my name is Sean Sennett and, um, I live in Middletown, Delaware. As a healthcare provider who has spent over a decade in emergency pharmacy and trauma—","topics_json":"[]","vector_id":"vec_seg_98715_392","created_at":"2026-10-31T05:11:12Z","speaker_name":"Sean Sennett"},{"id":"seg_98715_393","meeting_id":"98715","media_asset_id":"med_98715_hls_9e64686ccadd5717","agenda_item_id":null,"speaker_id":"spk_98715_public_commenter","speaker_confidence":0.9,"start_sec":6488.14,"end_sec":6664.42,"text":"trauma, I'm reminded daily of the experiences of people living at the intersection of poverty, disability, mental illness, and housing instability. That's the intersection we're talking about right here. It's an intersection of humanity and the community we want to be. This ordinance is not careful governance. It attempts to manage visible symptoms rather than address underlying causes. Respectfully, this is not the band-aid you think it is. This is not fundamentally a safety issue. It is a social and healthcare issue being routed through enforcement. Last week before the Joint Finance Committee, the Chief Judge of the Delaware Supreme Court reminded lawmakers that we cannot incarcerate our way out of the societal afflictions we are seeing. From a healthcare perspective, that is exactly on point. The people impacted by this ordinance are often the same individuals cycling through emergency departments, crisis units, and shelters because systems have already failed them. They are patients before they are problems. Safety risk reduction comes from stability and from security and from community, not from knee-jerk reactions. The prescription is not more fines, fees, citations, or processing. You're not going to get the fees and fines from these people that have nothing to eat or a place to sleep. There are real legal, legal risks, as courts are increasingly scrutinizing these ordinances regulating panhandling and survival behaviors. Advancing legislation in this space invites litigation while failing to address the root causes. If council wants meaningful change, invest upstream. We can't fine our way out of poverty or legislate it away. We just can't do that. This is an expensive gamble. And to those who have opined on the challenges they've faced, I'm truly sorry. I'm sorry that you've experienced those events. Our society needs help. This isn't it. We should be building solutions and not citations. I'm gravely concerned that the council's choice to bring this hearing on short notice, less than a week prior, and after a record-setting storm hit this region. We need you to communicate better. It's above and beyond clear that we need more discussion on this ordinance and this issue, and your constituents deserve that. These are people, and if you have this many angered at what this ordinance does, doesn't do, or purports to do, this isn't a prescription I'd recommend. If panhandling isn't the target, you've clearly missed the mark on communicating how you're hoping to solve this problem, one which I would reiterate is at best poorly articulated and at worst privilege. Responsible government doesn't legislate out of fear. I ask that you vote no or at the very least table this for further discussion.","topics_json":"[\"homelessness\",\"housing\",\"public_safety\"]","vector_id":"vec_seg_98715_393","created_at":"2026-10-31T05:11:12Z","speaker_name":null},{"id":"seg_98715_394","meeting_id":"98715","media_asset_id":"med_98715_hls_9e64686ccadd5717","agenda_item_id":null,"speaker_id":"off_fred_a_neil","speaker_confidence":0.95,"start_sec":6664.99,"end_sec":6666.55,"text":"Thank you.","topics_json":"[]","vector_id":"vec_seg_98715_394","created_at":"2026-10-31T05:11:12Z","speaker_name":"Fred A. Neil"},{"id":"seg_98715_395","meeting_id":"98715","media_asset_id":"med_98715_hls_9e64686ccadd5717","agenda_item_id":null,"speaker_id":"off_fred_a_neil","speaker_confidence":0.95,"start_sec":6667.12,"end_sec":6676.5,"text":"That that is the last of the people who have signed up and anybody who wishes to speak who has not spoken already, would you please come forward and provide your name, come forward, provide your name?","topics_json":"[]","vector_id":"vec_seg_98715_395","created_at":"2026-10-31T05:11:12Z","speaker_name":"Fred A. Neil"},{"id":"seg_98715_396","meeting_id":"98715","media_asset_id":"med_98715_hls_9e64686ccadd5717","agenda_item_id":null,"speaker_id":"spk_98715_public_commenter_2","speaker_confidence":0.85,"start_sec":6676.58,"end_sec":6679.63,"text":"Councilman Neil, I want to speak on this ordinance. I already spoke, but I want to speak on this one.","topics_json":"[]","vector_id":"vec_seg_98715_396","created_at":"2026-10-31T05:11:12Z","speaker_name":null},{"id":"seg_98715_397","meeting_id":"98715","media_asset_id":"med_98715_hls_9e64686ccadd5717","agenda_item_id":null,"speaker_id":"off_fred_a_neil","speaker_confidence":0.95,"start_sec":6679.7,"end_sec":6684.75,"text":"You can speak uh on this ordinance cuz you did not speak on the ordinance before. But we have him up.","topics_json":"[]","vector_id":"vec_seg_98715_397","created_at":"2026-10-31T05:11:12Z","speaker_name":"Fred A. Neil"},{"id":"seg_98715_398","meeting_id":"98715","media_asset_id":"med_98715_hls_9e64686ccadd5717","agenda_item_id":null,"speaker_id":"off_robin_r_christiansen","speaker_confidence":0.95,"start_sec":6684.75,"end_sec":6687.48,"text":"All right. Now, may I have your name and your address?","topics_json":"[]","vector_id":"vec_seg_98715_398","created_at":"2026-10-31T05:11:12Z","speaker_name":"Robin R. Christiansen"},{"id":"seg_98715_399","meeting_id":"98715","media_asset_id":"med_98715_hls_9e64686ccadd5717","agenda_item_id":null,"speaker_id":"spk_98715_anthony_floyd_jr","speaker_confidence":0.95,"start_sec":6687.48,"end_sec":6875.06,"text":"Good evening, uh, Council. My name is Anthony Floyd Jr. I'm a retired Philadelphia police commander. I commanded the third most violent police district in the city of Philadelphia. I commanded over 250 officers in North Central Philadelphia. Former chief of police at Lincoln University. I am I'm a resident of Dover, Delaware. What we need, I'm offering suggestions. We have natural resources right here in the city of Dover. We have several doctors right here in City Council. We have an MBA, Masters of Business Administration, professional in City Council. We have three schools of higher education: Delaware State University, Wilmington University, and DelTech that has advanced degree people who we can tap upon to provide a focus group, a coordinated effort to find out successful ways of dealing with unshelteredness and homelessness. The last thing we want to do is criminalize those that are at the bottom the bottom of their lives. They didn't expect to be this way, and we criminalize them, and I appreciate the chief for backing off. And what the chief is not going to tell you, staffing levels in the in the Dover Police Department are stretched for this, because you have robberies, you have shootings, robbery point of gun, robbery point of knife, simulated weapons, robberies, carjacking, and we're and the police department devoting resources to folks that are asking for money to eat? Where is the humanity? We need humanity at this time. HUD is getting ready to cut 60%. The fudge funds is 60%. What are we going to do when those people Capitol Green, Simon Circle, uh Liberty Court when they're out on the street? What I'm asking this council respectfully is let's find ways to address critical issues that look like it's not going away. Public-private partnerships, our city can actually float a bond specifically to address the homelessness right here in the city city of Dover. Like I said, we can have academicians coming together collectively to develop a strategic plan for sustainable solutions to address the issue. We can do that. It's a positive thing. But what we don't do is criminalize poor people. Thank you very much.","topics_json":"[\"homelessness\",\"housing\",\"public_safety\",\"budget\"]","vector_id":"vec_seg_98715_399","created_at":"2026-10-31T05:11:12Z","speaker_name":"Anthony Floyd Jr."},{"id":"seg_98715_4","meeting_id":"98715","media_asset_id":"med_98715_hls_9e64686ccadd5717","agenda_item_id":null,"speaker_id":"off_brian_e_lewis","speaker_confidence":0.95,"start_sec":131.09,"end_sec":140.04,"text":"I pledge allegiance to the flag of the United States of America, and to the Republic for which it stands, one Nation under God, indivisible, with liberty and justice for all.","topics_json":"[]","vector_id":"vec_seg_98715_4","created_at":"2026-10-31T05:11:11Z","speaker_name":"Brian E. Lewis"},{"id":"seg_98715_40","meeting_id":"98715","media_asset_id":"med_98715_hls_9e64686ccadd5717","agenda_item_id":null,"speaker_id":"off_fred_a_neil","speaker_confidence":0.95,"start_sec":377.51,"end_sec":379.11,"text":"Yes, Councilman Anderson.","topics_json":"[]","vector_id":"vec_seg_98715_40","created_at":"2026-10-31T05:11:11Z","speaker_name":"Fred A. Neil"},{"id":"seg_98715_400","meeting_id":"98715","media_asset_id":"med_98715_hls_9e64686ccadd5717","agenda_item_id":null,"speaker_id":"off_robin_r_christiansen","speaker_confidence":0.95,"start_sec":6875.06,"end_sec":6876.96,"text":"Thank you very much.","topics_json":"[]","vector_id":"vec_seg_98715_400","created_at":"2026-10-31T05:11:12Z","speaker_name":"Robin R. Christiansen"},{"id":"seg_98715_401","meeting_id":"98715","media_asset_id":"med_98715_hls_9e64686ccadd5717","agenda_item_id":null,"speaker_id":"off_robin_r_christiansen","speaker_confidence":0.95,"start_sec":6879.84,"end_sec":6881.36,"text":"Mr. Faust, you're up.","topics_json":"[]","vector_id":"vec_seg_98715_401","created_at":"2026-10-31T05:11:12Z","speaker_name":"Robin R. Christiansen"},{"id":"seg_98715_402","meeting_id":"98715","media_asset_id":"med_98715_hls_9e64686ccadd5717","agenda_item_id":null,"speaker_id":"spk_98715_mr_faust","speaker_confidence":0.9,"start_sec":6881.36,"end_sec":6881.36,"text":"Thank you for acknowledging me. We all care about safety. I did 10 years as an EMT. I was an ER tech for 5 years. If you really want safety, let's address the gun violence in our city, first of all, because that a bullet doesn't discriminate who it kills or who it maims. Secondly, why don't we go after the prostitutions? They spread STDs","topics_json":"[\"public_safety\"]","vector_id":"vec_seg_98715_402","created_at":"2026-10-31T05:11:12Z","speaker_name":"Mr. Faust"},{"id":"seg_98715_403","meeting_id":"98715","media_asset_id":"med_98715_hls_9e64686ccadd5717","agenda_item_id":null,"speaker_id":"spk_98715_public_commenter","speaker_confidence":0.9,"start_sec":6881.36,"end_sec":6984.37,"text":"these, other criminal activities. Let's address that. Let's be prudent. Last, let's deal with the drug dealing that drills other things, criminal acts, robberies, rapes, whatever it may be. This ordinance is not going to increase safety. You can't have our resources stretched where you have an officer there 24/7 to make sure little Suzy or little Johnny doesn't come back after they get forced off. Where is the common sense? Let's use our manpower to stop the gun violence, stop the drugs, stop the prostitution. The mayor and council should be talking to the attorney general to start prosecuting these people that the officers, bravely are arresting and before the paperwork is dry, they're out on the street committing another crime. We need to do better by our citizens, and this ordinance is not going to prove security or safety a thing. I'm more concerned about the gun violence, because one of these days you're going to have a little child, five, three years of age, or, God forbid, I'm not saying this to be a smart-ass, an officer's going to get killed. I don't want to see our public servants, our hardworking EMS, fire, police officers' life in danger because we're not using our resources wisely and prudent. Please vote no on this ordinance, because as it stands now, will not pass public scrutiny or legal scrutiny, because there's going to be a lawsuit. We have a budget issue, because Council President Neil told we got 40% non-profits. Well, that didn't come overnight. I came to the workshop for the budget. We're in deep trouble. Pick our battles. We need to take care of our people. We need to do something because we're going down faster than the Titanic. So I'm praying that the mayor, I mean the council votes no on this ordinance as it's currently written. Thank you.","topics_json":"[\"public_safety\",\"budget\"]","vector_id":"vec_seg_98715_403","created_at":"2026-10-31T05:11:12Z","speaker_name":null},{"id":"seg_98715_404","meeting_id":"98715","media_asset_id":"med_98715_hls_9e64686ccadd5717","agenda_item_id":null,"speaker_id":"off_fred_a_neil","speaker_confidence":0.95,"start_sec":6984.37,"end_sec":7015.13,"text":"Thank you, mister. Else? You're up. And your name and address.","topics_json":"[]","vector_id":"vec_seg_98715_404","created_at":"2026-10-31T05:11:12Z","speaker_name":"Fred A. Neil"},{"id":"seg_98715_405","meeting_id":"98715","media_asset_id":"med_98715_hls_9e64686ccadd5717","agenda_item_id":null,"speaker_id":"spk_98715_bonnie","speaker_confidence":0.95,"start_sec":7015.13,"end_sec":7077.97,"text":"Hi, my name is Bonnie. I live in Dover. I just want to say I've been sitting here listening the whole night and I would say vote no because, let me tell you why, I was in Camden today and I was talking to a lady with a baby. She lost her job. Now she's homeless. She has no place to go, no place to put that little baby. I told her to call social services. What's the other number? 211, call anybody she can call. She's called everybody. You know what they told her? \"We don't have no more funding. You're going to have to sleep out on the street.\" What is this? This is the city of Dover. I've lived here 20 years. And as far as I'm concerned, I I drive Route 8 every day. I drive to Sam's Club every other day. I'm over by Walmart every day, and I can tell you right now, I've not once had no pedestrian approach my car. I've had more people on West Denny's Road walk in front of me than I've had pedestrians and uh panhandlers come to my window. And as far as I'm concerned, if there's somebody out there that needs something to eat, I'm going to feed them just like I would expect all y'all to feed me.","topics_json":"[\"homelessness\",\"housing\",\"public_safety\"]","vector_id":"vec_seg_98715_405","created_at":"2026-10-31T05:11:12Z","speaker_name":"Bonnie"},{"id":"seg_98715_406","meeting_id":"98715","media_asset_id":"med_98715_hls_9e64686ccadd5717","agenda_item_id":null,"speaker_id":"spk_98715_public_commenter","speaker_confidence":0.9,"start_sec":7077.97,"end_sec":7098.77,"text":"My point is you don't need to sit here and judge these people when each and every one of y'all are all in the same boat. We're just floating a little higher than the ones on the ground. How do you know I might not be there? Is this the way I'm going to get treated after 20 years paying my city taxes?","topics_json":"[\"homelessness\",\"taxes\"]","vector_id":"vec_seg_98715_406","created_at":"2026-10-31T05:11:12Z","speaker_name":null},{"id":"seg_98715_407","meeting_id":"98715","media_asset_id":"med_98715_hls_9e64686ccadd5717","agenda_item_id":null,"speaker_id":"spk_98715_audience_member","speaker_confidence":0.7,"start_sec":7096.47,"end_sec":7098.47,"text":"Mhm. Preach.","topics_json":"[]","vector_id":"vec_seg_98715_407","created_at":"2026-10-31T05:11:12Z","speaker_name":null},{"id":"seg_98715_408","meeting_id":"98715","media_asset_id":"med_98715_hls_9e64686ccadd5717","agenda_item_id":null,"speaker_id":"spk_98715_public_commenter","speaker_confidence":0.9,"start_sec":7098.77,"end_sec":7122.47,"text":"So I'm tired of this sneaking in law stuff, lying about pedestrians. I see these panhandlers every day and not one of them approached my door. Yes they walked by and looked in my car. I ain't got nothing to hide. If you need the shirt off my back I would give it to you off my back, as long as I don't get a ticket for indecent exposure.","topics_json":"[\"homelessness\",\"public_safety\"]","vector_id":"vec_seg_98715_408","created_at":"2026-10-31T05:11:12Z","speaker_name":null},{"id":"seg_98715_409","meeting_id":"98715","media_asset_id":"med_98715_hls_9e64686ccadd5717","agenda_item_id":null,"speaker_id":"spk_98715_public_commenter","speaker_confidence":0.9,"start_sec":7123.37,"end_sec":7183.67,"text":"So that's my point. The point of it is everybody sitting here saying stuff about these panhandlers that is not true. I have not once seen it, and believe me I'm all around Dover. So that's all I have to say. I vote no and I hope y'all vote no too cause y'all the ones got to sleep on it and not me.","topics_json":"[\"homelessness\"]","vector_id":"vec_seg_98715_409","created_at":"2026-10-31T05:11:12Z","speaker_name":null},{"id":"seg_98715_41","meeting_id":"98715","media_asset_id":"med_98715_hls_9e64686ccadd5717","agenda_item_id":null,"speaker_id":"off_david_l_anderson","speaker_confidence":0.95,"start_sec":379.31,"end_sec":382.81,"text":"Thank you, Mr. President. I move for the adoption of the agenda as presented.","topics_json":"[]","vector_id":"vec_seg_98715_41","created_at":"2026-10-31T05:11:11Z","speaker_name":"David L. 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Neil"},{"id":"seg_98715_412","meeting_id":"98715","media_asset_id":"med_98715_hls_9e64686ccadd5717","agenda_item_id":null,"speaker_id":"spk_98715_tyler_mock","speaker_confidence":0.95,"start_sec":7199.77,"end_sec":7228.87,"text":"My name is Tyler Mock, I'm from Dover, Delaware. And we can sit here and we can yell, or we can go to committee meeting and we can ignore other council members that we saw their song and dance, we can waste another couple of hours and a couple of hours of folks' nights to be able to sit here and play the agenda swap-around game and the Robert's Rules orders and all that stuff to be able to try to manipulate folks and weaponize incompetence by not hearing people at the microphone when they ask a direct question and understand that it's a question.","topics_json":"[]","vector_id":"vec_seg_98715_412","created_at":"2026-10-31T05:11:12Z","speaker_name":"Tyler Mock"},{"id":"seg_98715_413","meeting_id":"98715","media_asset_id":"med_98715_hls_9e64686ccadd5717","agenda_item_id":null,"speaker_id":"spk_98715_tyler_mock","speaker_confidence":0.95,"start_sec":7228.87,"end_sec":7274.58,"text":"Or we could talk about sturdy beggar law, which is what this is. You want to figure out a way to get people that you don't think you should provide services for to be able to be pushed off to some magical, ethereal place where their constituency deals with them. It's the Kensingtons in Wilmington, and Wilmington's in Dover, and Dover's in Georgetown, and Georgetown apparently is somewhere else whenever a constitutional sheriff in Wicomico County needs them. So I guess we're going to sit here and ignore the fact that instead of being both decent citizens, decent, most of you, Christians, decent religiously and morally bound folks with a duty to actually serve a person in front of you, treat it like a Wawa. Open the door for the guy in front of you, right? You hold the door for the guy behind you, right? Do you, or do you sit here and say they're obviously on drugs, I see them all on drugs. What are their names? Have you met them? Have you asked the chief if he's a cop or if he's a paramedic first? Because that's important, because we've been put in front of us that the reason the chief cares about so much health and safety in this situation is the actual paramedic side of the chief's heart. And yet I saw all but one member sit here and rezone a property for increased foot traffic without doing a study to be able to measure whether that would keep them safe. So are you hypocrites or are you incompetent?","topics_json":"[\"homelessness\",\"public_safety\",\"zoning\"]","vector_id":"vec_seg_98715_413","created_at":"2026-10-31T05:11:12Z","speaker_name":"Tyler Mock"},{"id":"seg_98715_414","meeting_id":"98715","media_asset_id":"med_98715_hls_9e64686ccadd5717","agenda_item_id":null,"speaker_id":"spk_98715_public_commenter","speaker_confidence":0.8,"start_sec":7274.59,"end_sec":7281.39,"text":"A year of my time. You can go ahead and, you know, let this guy--","topics_json":"[]","vector_id":"vec_seg_98715_414","created_at":"2026-10-31T05:11:12Z","speaker_name":null},{"id":"seg_98715_415","meeting_id":"98715","media_asset_id":"med_98715_hls_9e64686ccadd5717","agenda_item_id":null,"speaker_id":"off_fred_a_neil","speaker_confidence":0.95,"start_sec":7281.89,"end_sec":7287.39,"text":"We have um, uh, Representative Sean Lynn online.","topics_json":"[]","vector_id":"vec_seg_98715_415","created_at":"2026-10-31T05:11:12Z","speaker_name":"Fred A. Neil"},{"id":"seg_98715_416","meeting_id":"98715","media_asset_id":"med_98715_hls_9e64686ccadd5717","agenda_item_id":null,"speaker_id":"spk_98715_city_clerk","speaker_confidence":0.9,"start_sec":7287.69,"end_sec":7289.09,"text":"Mr. Lynn, you can go ahead.","topics_json":"[]","vector_id":"vec_seg_98715_416","created_at":"2026-10-31T05:11:12Z","speaker_name":"City Clerk"},{"id":"seg_98715_417","meeting_id":"98715","media_asset_id":"med_98715_hls_9e64686ccadd5717","agenda_item_id":null,"speaker_id":"off_fred_a_neil","speaker_confidence":0.95,"start_sec":7289.29,"end_sec":7292.09,"text":"Representative Lynn, are you unmuted?","topics_json":"[]","vector_id":"vec_seg_98715_417","created_at":"2026-10-31T05:11:12Z","speaker_name":"Fred A. Neil"},{"id":"seg_98715_418","meeting_id":"98715","media_asset_id":"med_98715_hls_9e64686ccadd5717","agenda_item_id":null,"speaker_id":"spk_98715_city_clerk","speaker_confidence":0.9,"start_sec":7292.29,"end_sec":7293.99,"text":"Mr. Lynn, can you hear us?","topics_json":"[]","vector_id":"vec_seg_98715_418","created_at":"2026-10-31T05:11:12Z","speaker_name":"City Clerk"},{"id":"seg_98715_419","meeting_id":"98715","media_asset_id":"med_98715_hls_9e64686ccadd5717","agenda_item_id":null,"speaker_id":"off_tricia_k_arndt","speaker_confidence":0.75,"start_sec":7294.79,"end_sec":7296.69,"text":"He already emailed us his comment, so.","topics_json":"[]","vector_id":"vec_seg_98715_419","created_at":"2026-10-31T05:11:12Z","speaker_name":"Tricia K. Arndt"},{"id":"seg_98715_42","meeting_id":"98715","media_asset_id":"med_98715_hls_9e64686ccadd5717","agenda_item_id":null,"speaker_id":"off_gerald_l_rocha_sr","speaker_confidence":0.85,"start_sec":383.11,"end_sec":383.91,"text":"Second.","topics_json":"[]","vector_id":"vec_seg_98715_42","created_at":"2026-10-31T05:11:11Z","speaker_name":"Gerald L. Rocha, Sr."},{"id":"seg_98715_420","meeting_id":"98715","media_asset_id":"med_98715_hls_9e64686ccadd5717","agenda_item_id":null,"speaker_id":"off_fred_a_neil","speaker_confidence":0.95,"start_sec":7297.19,"end_sec":7318.09,"text":"Uh, ladies and gentlemen, uh, Representative Lynn has emailed uh uh to the members of the council in which he is opposed to this ordinance. He believes that it is unconstitutional. He's made his remarks very clear and they are going to be included in the record. And with that--","topics_json":"[]","vector_id":"vec_seg_98715_420","created_at":"2026-10-31T05:11:12Z","speaker_name":"Fred A. Neil"},{"id":"seg_98715_421","meeting_id":"98715","media_asset_id":"med_98715_hls_9e64686ccadd5717","agenda_item_id":null,"speaker_id":"off_andre_m_boggerty","speaker_confidence":0.95,"start_sec":7318.39,"end_sec":7327.59,"text":"Council President? Yes, sir. I would ask that the Rep- Representative Lynn's um, comments be read into the record?","topics_json":"[]","vector_id":"vec_seg_98715_421","created_at":"2026-10-31T05:11:12Z","speaker_name":"Andre M. Boggerty"},{"id":"seg_98715_422","meeting_id":"98715","media_asset_id":"med_98715_hls_9e64686ccadd5717","agenda_item_id":null,"speaker_id":"spk_98715_city_clerk","speaker_confidence":0.85,"start_sec":7327.59,"end_sec":7328.29,"text":"I don't have a copy.","topics_json":"[]","vector_id":"vec_seg_98715_422","created_at":"2026-10-31T05:11:12Z","speaker_name":"City Clerk"},{"id":"seg_98715_423","meeting_id":"98715","media_asset_id":"med_98715_hls_9e64686ccadd5717","agenda_item_id":null,"speaker_id":"off_andre_m_boggerty","speaker_confidence":0.95,"start_sec":7328.29,"end_sec":7333.29,"text":"Okay, well I can read it into the record, because he did send me a copy if, if if allowed.","topics_json":"[]","vector_id":"vec_seg_98715_423","created_at":"2026-10-31T05:11:12Z","speaker_name":"Andre M. Boggerty"},{"id":"seg_98715_424","meeting_id":"98715","media_asset_id":"med_98715_hls_9e64686ccadd5717","agenda_item_id":null,"speaker_id":"off_fred_a_neil","speaker_confidence":0.95,"start_sec":7333.59,"end_sec":7334.69,"text":"Please do.","topics_json":"[]","vector_id":"vec_seg_98715_424","created_at":"2026-10-31T05:11:12Z","speaker_name":"Fred A. Neil"},{"id":"seg_98715_425","meeting_id":"98715","media_asset_id":"med_98715_hls_9e64686ccadd5717","agenda_item_id":null,"speaker_id":"spk_98715_andre_m_boggerty","speaker_confidence":0.95,"start_sec":7334.89,"end_sec":7471.19,"text":"\"Madam City Clerk, please accept the within as my office formal opposition to proposed City of Dover Ordinance 2025-21 and all of its iterations. I would respectfully request same be distributed to the members of the Dover City Council. First, the proposed ordinance violates the doctrine of preemption and is facially illegal under the Delaware Code. Specifically, the Delaware Code controls the abatement of nuisance along public highways. The power to abate those nuisance along public highways granted by the state to only the City of Wilmington, see 17 Del. C. Section 516. The specific disambiguation, ambiguation of the City of Wilmington by the Delaware General Assembly mandates that other municipalities, including the City of Dover, lack the statutory authority to abate nuisance along public roads. Simply stated, the city lacks the authority to adopt this ordinance. Additionally, I would draw the city's attention to Title 21 Chapter 41 Code 4147 of the Delaware Code. By occupying the field in the manner prescribed in Section 4147, it is clear that state law preempts municipal actions pertaining to the solicitation of occupants of motor vehicles along Delaware roadways. Secondly, the First Amendment to the United States Constitution affords the solicitation of funds a protected speech. Attempts like this proposed ordinance to mask this blatant attack on free speech as safety measures have been repeatedly struck down by the courts. I am confident that this proposed ordinance, similarly disguised as a public safety measure, will be similarly struck down on judicial review. Lastly, I would suggest that the city consider addressing the cause of the conduct: poverty, addiction, mental health issues, affordable housing, and a general lack of opportunity. The city is focused on--\"","topics_json":"[\"homelessness\",\"housing\",\"public_safety\"]","vector_id":"vec_seg_98715_425","created_at":"2026-10-31T05:11:12Z","speaker_name":null},{"id":"seg_98715_426","meeting_id":"98715","media_asset_id":"med_98715_hls_9e64686ccadd5717","agenda_item_id":null,"speaker_id":"off_roy_sudler_jr","speaker_confidence":0.95,"start_sec":7471.2,"end_sec":7502.36,"text":"symptoms of this social issues, not the disease causing same. I would encourage city to reconsider this course of action, and spend its time on pursuing real solutions to these problems. As a city taxpayer and as a representative of roughly 25,000 Dover residents, I think there are other uses of city funds that would serve our collective residents better than paying out damages to plaintiffs who will invariably sue the city and win.","topics_json":"[\"homelessness\",\"public_safety\",\"budget\"]","vector_id":"vec_seg_98715_426","created_at":"2026-10-31T05:11:12Z","speaker_name":"Roy Sudler, Jr."},{"id":"seg_98715_427","meeting_id":"98715","media_asset_id":"med_98715_hls_9e64686ccadd5717","agenda_item_id":null,"speaker_id":"off_roy_sudler_jr","speaker_confidence":0.95,"start_sec":7505.69,"end_sec":7562.19,"text":"While a lifelong and staunch supporter of the ACLU, I would prefer that our city neighbors not underwrite that organization through the adoption of this ordinance. Our friends and neighbors are struggling enough in this economy. Please vote down this measure. Please contact me with any questions, concerns, engendered by the above. Yours very truly, State Representative Sean M. Lynn.","topics_json":"[\"homelessness\",\"public_safety\"]","vector_id":"vec_seg_98715_427","created_at":"2026-10-31T05:11:12Z","speaker_name":"Roy Sudler, Jr."},{"id":"seg_98715_428","meeting_id":"98715","media_asset_id":"med_98715_hls_9e64686ccadd5717","agenda_item_id":null,"speaker_id":"off_roy_sudler_jr","speaker_confidence":0.95,"start_sec":7567.18,"end_sec":7575.07,"text":"Thank you. Thank you Council, um, President, for allowing me to read that. Uh, thank you for allowing me to read that into the record. Hopefully I didn't misrepresent him. Uh, I tried my best. It was a little long, but thank you.","topics_json":"[]","vector_id":"vec_seg_98715_428","created_at":"2026-10-31T05:11:12Z","speaker_name":"Roy Sudler, Jr."},{"id":"seg_98715_429","meeting_id":"98715","media_asset_id":"med_98715_hls_9e64686ccadd5717","agenda_item_id":null,"speaker_id":"off_fred_a_neil","speaker_confidence":0.95,"start_sec":7575.16,"end_sec":7582.14,"text":"No, you did not. We all know him, and he was going to get in whether he sent it or not. Councilman Anderson.","topics_json":"[]","vector_id":"vec_seg_98715_429","created_at":"2026-10-31T05:11:12Z","speaker_name":"Fred A. Neil"},{"id":"seg_98715_43","meeting_id":"98715","media_asset_id":"med_98715_hls_9e64686ccadd5717","agenda_item_id":null,"speaker_id":"off_fred_a_neil","speaker_confidence":0.95,"start_sec":384.01,"end_sec":393.21,"text":"I'm requesting that uh Item 14 be pulled from the consent agenda and other than that, we have this Item 14.","topics_json":"[]","vector_id":"vec_seg_98715_43","created_at":"2026-10-31T05:11:11Z","speaker_name":"Fred A. Neil"},{"id":"seg_98715_430","meeting_id":"98715","media_asset_id":"med_98715_hls_9e64686ccadd5717","agenda_item_id":null,"speaker_id":"off_david_l_anderson","speaker_confidence":0.95,"start_sec":7582.55,"end_sec":7663.57,"text":"Uh, thank you, Mr. President. That, uh, we have heard over the last five months from many people. We know that the citizens of Dover, particularly the voters of Dover, are in support of this effort. We also know, we also know that that, we also know, very importantly, that, uh, this is not based upon, uh, unlike what somebody, uh, said, upon a, uh, law that is no longer in force, because that misses the whole point of having this. The number one, um, Mr. Solicitor, is this, uh, uh, with, it as you wrote it, and especially as amended, not reflecting the, the Seaford city ordinance, uh, as well as the model by the Attorney General?","topics_json":"[\"homelessness\",\"public_safety\"]","vector_id":"vec_seg_98715_430","created_at":"2026-10-31T05:11:12Z","speaker_name":"David L. Anderson"},{"id":"seg_98715_431","meeting_id":"98715","media_asset_id":"med_98715_hls_9e64686ccadd5717","agenda_item_id":null,"speaker_id":"spk_98715_city_solicitor","speaker_confidence":0.9,"start_sec":7663.99,"end_sec":7667.81,"text":"So I, I think as I understand what the issue raised by, by Representative Lynn and what you're asking about is, does the, does this ordinance, is it preempted by state law? And, and the issue of preemption is a pretty complicated one. There's really two types of preemption. There is issue preemption and field preemption. Issue preemption is where a municipality attempts to legislate in an area where the state has already legislated, and the municipality's legislation is inconsistent with or different from the state's legislation, then, in that case, the municipality's legislation is preempted by the state. We cannot enact anything that's inconsistent with state law. 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And so,","topics_json":"[\"ordinance\",\"public_safety\"]","vector_id":"vec_seg_98715_435","created_at":"2026-10-31T05:11:12Z","speaker_name":null},{"id":"seg_98715_436","meeting_id":"98715","media_asset_id":"med_98715_hls_9e64686ccadd5717","agenda_item_id":null,"speaker_id":"spk_98715_city_solicitor","speaker_confidence":0.9,"start_sec":7723.93,"end_sec":7778.23,"text":"I will tell you, I took that to mean that, at least in the Attorney General's view, the state has not enacted it has not determined that there is a already a comparable state statute.","topics_json":"[\"ordinance\"]","vector_id":"vec_seg_98715_436","created_at":"2026-10-31T05:11:12Z","speaker_name":null},{"id":"seg_98715_437","meeting_id":"98715","media_asset_id":"med_98715_hls_9e64686ccadd5717","agenda_item_id":null,"speaker_id":"off_fred_a_neil","speaker_confidence":0.95,"start_sec":7779.26,"end_sec":7794.6,"text":"Thank you very much. Do you happen to, uh, uh, have the, the letter that the Attorney General sent handy? Uh, if we're going to read one into the record, I'd like to read both into the record.","topics_json":"[\"ordinance\"]","vector_id":"vec_seg_98715_437","created_at":"2026-10-31T05:11:12Z","speaker_name":"Fred A. Neil"},{"id":"seg_98715_438","meeting_id":"98715","media_asset_id":"med_98715_hls_9e64686ccadd5717","agenda_item_id":null,"speaker_id":"spk_98715_council_president_member","speaker_confidence":0.7,"start_sec":7794.77,"end_sec":7798.49,"text":"The, yeah, ma'am, is while you're doing that, You do, you have it now? Thank you.","topics_json":"[]","vector_id":"vec_seg_98715_438","created_at":"2026-10-31T05:11:12Z","speaker_name":null},{"id":"seg_98715_439","meeting_id":"98715","media_asset_id":"med_98715_hls_9e64686ccadd5717","agenda_item_id":null,"speaker_id":"spk_98715_city_solicitor","speaker_confidence":0.9,"start_sec":7799.77,"end_sec":7824.26,"text":"It is a February 12th, 2026 letter from Dan Logan, Chief Deputy Attorney General of the Department of Justice, to the Dover City Council. \"Esteemed members of City Council, thank you for your invitation to address the legality of pending ordinance 2025-2021-21. We appreciate the gravity of this issue for Dover's residents and business community and appreciate the weighty, nuanced debate","topics_json":"[\"ordinance\",\"public_safety\"]","vector_id":"vec_seg_98715_439","created_at":"2026-10-31T05:11:12Z","speaker_name":null},{"id":"seg_98715_44","meeting_id":"98715","media_asset_id":"med_98715_hls_9e64686ccadd5717","agenda_item_id":null,"speaker_id":"off_fred_a_neil","speaker_confidence":1,"start_sec":393.22,"end_sec":397.72,"text":"On the consent agenda, uh Councilman Anderson?","topics_json":"[]","vector_id":"vec_seg_98715_44","created_at":"2026-10-31T05:11:11Z","speaker_name":"Fred A. Neil"},{"id":"seg_98715_440","meeting_id":"98715","media_asset_id":"med_98715_hls_9e64686ccadd5717","agenda_item_id":null,"speaker_id":"spk_98715_city_solicitor","speaker_confidence":0.9,"start_sec":7827.04,"end_sec":7840.74,"text":"that you must navigate. Unfortunately, it would be inappropriate for us to provide the legal analysis that you request as the DOJ does not legally represent the city of Dover and would not be the attorney of record were the city to enter litigation.","topics_json":"[\"ordinance\"]","vector_id":"vec_seg_98715_440","created_at":"2026-10-31T05:11:12Z","speaker_name":null},{"id":"seg_98715_441","meeting_id":"98715","media_asset_id":"med_98715_hls_9e64686ccadd5717","agenda_item_id":null,"speaker_id":"spk_98715_city_solicitor","speaker_confidence":0.9,"start_sec":7841.04,"end_sec":7849.57,"text":"The city retains a capable solicitor, we defer to his research and guidance on this ordinance's legal merits and to your judgment on its political merits.","topics_json":"[\"ordinance\"]","vector_id":"vec_seg_98715_441","created_at":"2026-10-31T05:11:12Z","speaker_name":null},{"id":"seg_98715_442","meeting_id":"98715","media_asset_id":"med_98715_hls_9e64686ccadd5717","agenda_item_id":null,"speaker_id":"spk_98715_city_solicitor","speaker_confidence":0.9,"start_sec":7849.83,"end_sec":7864.41,"text":"To assist with your work, we are resubmitting for your review model legislation that our office developed more than a year ago. We believe that this model represents constitutionally sound replacement for the loitering and solicitation statute, should the General Assembly choose to pass it.","topics_json":"[\"ordinance\",\"public_safety\"]","vector_id":"vec_seg_98715_442","created_at":"2026-10-31T05:11:12Z","speaker_name":null},{"id":"seg_98715_443","meeting_id":"98715","media_asset_id":"med_98715_hls_9e64686ccadd5717","agenda_item_id":null,"speaker_id":"spk_98715_legal_counsel","speaker_confidence":0.9,"start_sec":7864.42,"end_sec":7868.02,"text":"seems uh comparable to to this ordinance.","topics_json":"[\"public_safety\"]","vector_id":"vec_seg_98715_443","created_at":"2026-10-31T05:11:12Z","speaker_name":null},{"id":"seg_98715_444","meeting_id":"98715","media_asset_id":"med_98715_hls_9e64686ccadd5717","agenda_item_id":null,"speaker_id":"off_david_l_anderson","speaker_confidence":0.95,"start_sec":7868.02,"end_sec":7886.02,"text":"Thank you. And if uh Thank you very much. Just Just wanted to clarify that, because uh when you drafted, you did not draft it based upon uh something that was no longer operational. Um and and uh while there's been","topics_json":"[\"public_safety\"]","vector_id":"vec_seg_98715_444","created_at":"2026-10-31T05:11:12Z","speaker_name":"David L. Anderson"},{"id":"seg_98715_445","meeting_id":"98715","media_asset_id":"med_98715_hls_9e64686ccadd5717","agenda_item_id":null,"speaker_id":"off_david_l_anderson","speaker_confidence":0.95,"start_sec":7892.22,"end_sec":7914.42,"text":"from both sides uh over the over many years, um there have been certain commonalities, um which have been which uh basically Sandy City and Louisville and other places have have found and based uh ordinances upon which uh look a lot like this one. Is that not correct?","topics_json":"[\"public_safety\"]","vector_id":"vec_seg_98715_445","created_at":"2026-10-31T05:11:12Z","speaker_name":"David L. Anderson"},{"id":"seg_98715_446","meeting_id":"98715","media_asset_id":"med_98715_hls_9e64686ccadd5717","agenda_item_id":null,"speaker_id":"spk_98715_legal_counsel","speaker_confidence":0.9,"start_sec":7914.42,"end_sec":7923.62,"text":"I don't know that I would use Sandy City as a Sandy City was an Eighth Amendment issue, whether or not um requiring people to relocate homeless camps was an Eighth Amendment violation.","topics_json":"[\"homelessness\",\"public_safety\"]","vector_id":"vec_seg_98715_446","created_at":"2026-10-31T05:11:12Z","speaker_name":null},{"id":"seg_98715_447","meeting_id":"98715","media_asset_id":"med_98715_hls_9e64686ccadd5717","agenda_item_id":null,"speaker_id":"off_david_l_anderson","speaker_confidence":0.95,"start_sec":7923.62,"end_sec":7927.82,"text":"That was the um other That was Grants Pass.","topics_json":"[\"homelessness\"]","vector_id":"vec_seg_98715_447","created_at":"2026-10-31T05:11:12Z","speaker_name":"David L. 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If If If a municipality can narrow the size of the median so that larger medians, um over, for instance, seven feet or so, um people could still congregate there um and express their First Amendment rights, um courts would like to see that the size of the median be narrowed so that it only applies to those where people aren't really congregating for protest purposes or for freedom of uh for First Amendment reasons.","topics_json":"[\"public_safety\"]","vector_id":"vec_seg_98715_450","created_at":"2026-10-31T05:11:12Z","speaker_name":null},{"id":"seg_98715_451","meeting_id":"98715","media_asset_id":"med_98715_hls_9e64686ccadd5717","agenda_item_id":null,"speaker_id":"off_david_l_anderson","speaker_confidence":0.95,"start_sec":8058.92,"end_sec":8061.02,"text":"Which is uh why we wanted to","topics_json":"[\"public_safety\"]","vector_id":"vec_seg_98715_451","created_at":"2026-10-31T05:11:12Z","speaker_name":"David L. 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I think the session is almost over now, right?","topics_json":"[\"public_safety\"]","vector_id":"vec_seg_98715_454","created_at":"2026-10-31T05:11:12Z","speaker_name":"Roy Sudler, Jr."},{"id":"seg_98715_455","meeting_id":"98715","media_asset_id":"med_98715_hls_9e64686ccadd5717","agenda_item_id":null,"speaker_id":"spk_98715_nicholas_rodriguez","speaker_confidence":0.95,"start_sec":8081.77,"end_sec":8084.38,"text":"My understanding is it was given to them about a year ago and and no action has been taken.","topics_json":"[\"public_safety\"]","vector_id":"vec_seg_98715_455","created_at":"2026-10-31T05:11:12Z","speaker_name":"Nicholas Rodriguez"},{"id":"seg_98715_456","meeting_id":"98715","media_asset_id":"med_98715_hls_9e64686ccadd5717","agenda_item_id":null,"speaker_id":"off_roy_sudler_jr","speaker_confidence":0.98,"start_sec":8084.57,"end_sec":8096.18,"text":"Okay. And additionally, um as the ordinance is is written, I'm thinking, would would there be any penalty for anyone who not didn't give didn't give money, but gave food to individuals? How would we address that? Would they be ticketed for giving food?","topics_json":"[\"public_safety\",\"homelessness\"]","vector_id":"vec_seg_98715_456","created_at":"2026-10-31T05:11:12Z","speaker_name":"Roy Sudler, Jr."},{"id":"seg_98715_457","meeting_id":"98715","media_asset_id":"med_98715_hls_9e64686ccadd5717","agenda_item_id":null,"speaker_id":"spk_98715_nicholas_rodriguez","speaker_confidence":0.95,"start_sec":8096.43,"end_sec":8125.43,"text":"I think both giving money and giving food are considered First Amendment rights.","topics_json":"[\"public_safety\",\"homelessness\"]","vector_id":"vec_seg_98715_457","created_at":"2026-10-31T05:11:12Z","speaker_name":"Nicholas Rodriguez"},{"id":"seg_98715_458","meeting_id":"98715","media_asset_id":"med_98715_hls_9e64686ccadd5717","agenda_item_id":null,"speaker_id":"off_roy_sudler_jr","speaker_confidence":0.98,"start_sec":8125.68,"end_sec":8145.61,"text":"Okay. Okay. So this leads me to, you know, the feeling of, you know, just because we may have the right to to do it doesn't mean it's the right thing to do. And so I'm going to move that we deny Proposed Ordinance #2025-21 Amending Chapter 106 - Traffic and Vehicles, Article III - Stopping, Standing, and Parking, by Adding Section 106-139 - Pedestrian Safety.","topics_json":"[\"public_safety\",\"homelessness\"]","vector_id":"vec_seg_98715_458","created_at":"2026-10-31T05:11:12Z","speaker_name":"Roy Sudler, Jr."},{"id":"seg_98715_459","meeting_id":"98715","media_asset_id":"med_98715_hls_9e64686ccadd5717","agenda_item_id":null,"speaker_id":"off_brian_e_lewis","speaker_confidence":0.85,"start_sec":8145.98,"end_sec":8148.09,"text":"I'll I'll second the motion if that's uh if you if you're making a motion.","topics_json":"[\"public_safety\"]","vector_id":"vec_seg_98715_459","created_at":"2026-10-31T05:11:12Z","speaker_name":"Brian E. Lewis"},{"id":"seg_98715_46","meeting_id":"98715","media_asset_id":"med_98715_hls_9e64686ccadd5717","agenda_item_id":null,"speaker_id":"off_fred_a_neil","speaker_confidence":1,"start_sec":400.92,"end_sec":407.12,"text":"Okay. But wait a minute. If you will, please call the roll.","topics_json":"[]","vector_id":"vec_seg_98715_46","created_at":"2026-10-31T05:11:11Z","speaker_name":"Fred A. Neil"},{"id":"seg_98715_460","meeting_id":"98715","media_asset_id":"med_98715_hls_9e64686ccadd5717","agenda_item_id":null,"speaker_id":"off_roy_sudler_jr","speaker_confidence":0.95,"start_sec":8148.22,"end_sec":8149.27,"text":"I moved I'd move to do that motion.","topics_json":"[\"public_safety\"]","vector_id":"vec_seg_98715_460","created_at":"2026-10-31T05:11:12Z","speaker_name":"Roy Sudler, Jr."},{"id":"seg_98715_461","meeting_id":"98715","media_asset_id":"med_98715_hls_9e64686ccadd5717","agenda_item_id":null,"speaker_id":"off_fred_a_neil","speaker_confidence":0.98,"start_sec":8149.96,"end_sec":8151.7,"text":"Yes, that's uh Councilman Rocha.","topics_json":"[]","vector_id":"vec_seg_98715_461","created_at":"2026-10-31T05:11:12Z","speaker_name":"Fred A. 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Rocha, Sr."},{"id":"seg_98715_463","meeting_id":"98715","media_asset_id":"med_98715_hls_9e64686ccadd5717","agenda_item_id":null,"speaker_id":"spk_98715_nicholas_rodriguez","speaker_confidence":0.95,"start_sec":8192.5,"end_sec":8204.42,"text":"If if there is legislation by the state which makes it very clear that the state intends to regulate in this field exclusively, then a municipality cannot enact its own um ordinances uh if the state has expressly reserved that field for itself.","topics_json":"[\"public_safety\"]","vector_id":"vec_seg_98715_463","created_at":"2026-10-31T05:11:12Z","speaker_name":"Nicholas Rodriguez"},{"id":"seg_98715_464","meeting_id":"98715","media_asset_id":"med_98715_hls_9e64686ccadd5717","agenda_item_id":null,"speaker_id":"off_gerald_l_rocha_sr","speaker_confidence":0.98,"start_sec":8204.79,"end_sec":8207.71,"text":"So in your opinion, are we in this in that category right now?","topics_json":"[\"public_safety\"]","vector_id":"vec_seg_98715_464","created_at":"2026-10-31T05:11:12Z","speaker_name":"Gerald L. Rocha, Sr."},{"id":"seg_98715_465","meeting_id":"98715","media_asset_id":"med_98715_hls_9e64686ccadd5717","agenda_item_id":null,"speaker_id":"spk_98715_nicholas_rodriguez","speaker_confidence":0.95,"start_sec":8208.02,"end_sec":8216.72,"text":"No. But I we would be if the if the bill that the state that the Attorney General's Office has circulated, if that bill ultimately gets enacted into law, uh then we might be in that area.","topics_json":"[\"public_safety\"]","vector_id":"vec_seg_98715_465","created_at":"2026-10-31T05:11:12Z","speaker_name":"Nicholas Rodriguez"},{"id":"seg_98715_466","meeting_id":"98715","media_asset_id":"med_98715_hls_9e64686ccadd5717","agenda_item_id":null,"speaker_id":"off_gerald_l_rocha_sr","speaker_confidence":0.98,"start_sec":8216.9,"end_sec":8217.27,"text":"Because they","topics_json":"[\"public_safety\"]","vector_id":"vec_seg_98715_466","created_at":"2026-10-31T05:11:12Z","speaker_name":"Gerald L. 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Rocha, Sr."},{"id":"seg_98715_469","meeting_id":"98715","media_asset_id":"med_98715_hls_9e64686ccadd5717","agenda_item_id":null,"speaker_id":"spk_98715_nicholas_rodriguez","speaker_confidence":0.95,"start_sec":8255.53,"end_sec":8257.64,"text":"It would negate those portions of this ordinance that are incon-","topics_json":"[\"public_safety\"]","vector_id":"vec_seg_98715_469","created_at":"2026-10-31T05:11:12Z","speaker_name":"Nicholas Rodriguez"},{"id":"seg_98715_47","meeting_id":"98715","media_asset_id":"med_98715_hls_9e64686ccadd5717","agenda_item_id":null,"speaker_id":"spk_98715_city_clerk","speaker_confidence":1,"start_sec":407.32,"end_sec":411.72,"text":"That's a voice vote, just for amending the agenda.","topics_json":"[]","vector_id":"vec_seg_98715_47","created_at":"2026-10-31T05:11:11Z","speaker_name":"City Clerk"},{"id":"seg_98715_470","meeting_id":"98715","media_asset_id":"med_98715_hls_9e64686ccadd5717","agenda_item_id":null,"speaker_id":"spk_98715_city_solicitor","speaker_confidence":0.85,"start_sec":8257.64,"end_sec":8264.35,"text":"consistent with the state law. And and again, I I just haven't done enough of an analysis to figure out whether there are are inconsistencies between this and the proposed bill from the state.","topics_json":"[\"homelessness\",\"public_safety\"]","vector_id":"vec_seg_98715_470","created_at":"2026-10-31T05:11:12Z","speaker_name":null},{"id":"seg_98715_471","meeting_id":"98715","media_asset_id":"med_98715_hls_9e64686ccadd5717","agenda_item_id":null,"speaker_id":"off_brian_e_lewis","speaker_confidence":0.95,"start_sec":8264.6,"end_sec":8266.83,"text":"And that's because it hasn't been brought to the floor yet.","topics_json":"[\"homelessness\",\"public_safety\"]","vector_id":"vec_seg_98715_471","created_at":"2026-10-31T05:11:12Z","speaker_name":"Brian E. Lewis"},{"id":"seg_98715_472","meeting_id":"98715","media_asset_id":"med_98715_hls_9e64686ccadd5717","agenda_item_id":null,"speaker_id":"spk_98715_city_solicitor","speaker_confidence":0.85,"start_sec":8267.02,"end_sec":8270.62,"text":"I I think that's correct. I think I read an article that suggested that certain lawmakers are unaware of the bill.","topics_json":"[\"homelessness\",\"public_safety\"]","vector_id":"vec_seg_98715_472","created_at":"2026-10-31T05:11:12Z","speaker_name":null},{"id":"seg_98715_473","meeting_id":"98715","media_asset_id":"med_98715_hls_9e64686ccadd5717","agenda_item_id":null,"speaker_id":"off_brian_e_lewis","speaker_confidence":0.95,"start_sec":8270.93,"end_sec":8276.46,"text":"Okay. And that was the concern that Representative Lynn had shared in in in what Dr. Sudler had read to us.","topics_json":"[\"homelessness\",\"public_safety\"]","vector_id":"vec_seg_98715_473","created_at":"2026-10-31T05:11:12Z","speaker_name":"Brian E. Lewis"},{"id":"seg_98715_474","meeting_id":"98715","media_asset_id":"med_98715_hls_9e64686ccadd5717","agenda_item_id":null,"speaker_id":"spk_98715_city_solicitor","speaker_confidence":0.85,"start_sec":8276.52,"end_sec":8286.7,"text":"I understood his concern to be a preemption issue. That either there's already state law on the books, um which um conflict with this provision, or the state has expressed its intention to um occupy this field exclusively.","topics_json":"[\"homelessness\",\"public_safety\"]","vector_id":"vec_seg_98715_474","created_at":"2026-10-31T05:11:12Z","speaker_name":null},{"id":"seg_98715_475","meeting_id":"98715","media_asset_id":"med_98715_hls_9e64686ccadd5717","agenda_item_id":null,"speaker_id":"off_brian_e_lewis","speaker_confidence":0.95,"start_sec":8287.01,"end_sec":8293.91,"text":"And in your opinion, do you believe that what is currently on the books, does this ordinance, this proposed ordinance conflict with that with that?","topics_json":"[\"homelessness\",\"public_safety\"]","vector_id":"vec_seg_98715_475","created_at":"2026-10-31T05:11:12Z","speaker_name":"Brian E. 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And that Townsend pulled his name off of that bill after the Spotlight Delaware article. Uh that bill doesn't even have a sponsor. That's Representative Lynn said, and he- and you can we can confirm. So, um I just want I just thought that was important, um since we were having that discussion. But I I can't, I mean just reading from, you know, um a message, so I can't he he'd have to get, you know. But um I yield for further discussion before we vote.","topics_json":"[\"homelessness\",\"public_safety\"]","vector_id":"vec_seg_98715_479","created_at":"2026-10-31T05:11:12Z","speaker_name":"Roy Sudler, Jr."},{"id":"seg_98715_48","meeting_id":"98715","media_asset_id":"med_98715_hls_9e64686ccadd5717","agenda_item_id":null,"speaker_id":"off_fred_a_neil","speaker_confidence":1,"start_sec":411.72,"end_sec":413.52,"text":"Yes.","topics_json":"[]","vector_id":"vec_seg_98715_48","created_at":"2026-10-31T05:11:11Z","speaker_name":"Fred A. 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So therefore, can you clarify what a yes vote by voting the way he made the motion or a no vote, because it can sound conflicting that based on the motion was, and so I just want to make sure it was clarity based on the way the motion was entered.","topics_json":"[]","vector_id":"vec_seg_98715_481","created_at":"2026-10-31T05:11:12Z","speaker_name":"Andre M. Boggerty"},{"id":"seg_98715_482","meeting_id":"98715","media_asset_id":"med_98715_hls_9e64686ccadd5717","agenda_item_id":null,"speaker_id":"off_fred_a_neil","speaker_confidence":0.95,"start_sec":8411.28,"end_sec":8413.82,"text":"I I believe a no vote is in opposition to the motion that was made.","topics_json":"[]","vector_id":"vec_seg_98715_482","created_at":"2026-10-31T05:11:12Z","speaker_name":"Fred A. 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Neil"},{"id":"seg_98715_500","meeting_id":"98715","media_asset_id":"med_98715_hls_9e64686ccadd5717","agenda_item_id":null,"speaker_id":"off_david_l_anderson","speaker_confidence":0.95,"start_sec":8533.74,"end_sec":8578.58,"text":"Thank Thank you, Mr. President. Um look, you can do it, but negative motions are often confusing, and really it's just easier to um uh just do uh the regular way, which is a motion to approve, and then people vote yes or no. Um if uh so therefore, I would like to I'm going to make a motion to uh lay on the table the motion that was uh just made. ","topics_json":"[]","vector_id":"vec_seg_98715_500","created_at":"2026-10-31T05:11:12Z","speaker_name":"David L. 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Anderson"},{"id":"seg_98715_503","meeting_id":"98715","media_asset_id":"med_98715_hls_9e64686ccadd5717","agenda_item_id":null,"speaker_id":"off_roy_sudler_jr","speaker_confidence":0.95,"start_sec":8584.41,"end_sec":8591.37,"text":"Uh, Council President, I would I would ask that um we refer to our city solicitor to see that the ordinance of which I have presented is amenable and in order of parliamentary procedures.","topics_json":"[]","vector_id":"vec_seg_98715_503","created_at":"2026-10-31T05:11:12Z","speaker_name":"Roy Sudler, Jr."},{"id":"seg_98715_504","meeting_id":"98715","media_asset_id":"med_98715_hls_9e64686ccadd5717","agenda_item_id":null,"speaker_id":"spk_98715_nicholas_rodriguez","speaker_confidence":0.9,"start_sec":8591.37,"end_sec":8592.92,"text":"It's it's certainly an acceptable way of doing it.","topics_json":"[]","vector_id":"vec_seg_98715_504","created_at":"2026-10-31T05:11:12Z","speaker_name":"Nicholas Rodriguez"},{"id":"seg_98715_505","meeting_id":"98715","media_asset_id":"med_98715_hls_9e64686ccadd5717","agenda_item_id":null,"speaker_id":"off_tricia_k_arndt","speaker_confidence":0.95,"start_sec":8592.92,"end_sec":8594.29,"text":"I can vote yes to deny it?","topics_json":"[]","vector_id":"vec_seg_98715_505","created_at":"2026-10-31T05:11:12Z","speaker_name":"Tricia K. Arndt"},{"id":"seg_98715_506","meeting_id":"98715","media_asset_id":"med_98715_hls_9e64686ccadd5717","agenda_item_id":null,"speaker_id":"spk_98715_nicholas_rodriguez","speaker_confidence":0.9,"start_sec":8594.29,"end_sec":8612.85,"text":"Yeah, and it it might be a little confusing, but that that doesn't mean it can't be done. And uh and I think and I would encourage council members, especially on a on a on a matter that has generated this much um publicity, to express your uh reasons rather than say yes or no. Um, but um and I think it'll be clearer from the expression of reasons uh which way each council member is voting. So, uh it it appears right now the voting the motion is to um uh to deny the ordinance.","topics_json":"[\"public_safety\"]","vector_id":"vec_seg_98715_506","created_at":"2026-10-31T05:11:12Z","speaker_name":"Nicholas Rodriguez"},{"id":"seg_98715_507","meeting_id":"98715","media_asset_id":"med_98715_hls_9e64686ccadd5717","agenda_item_id":null,"speaker_id":"off_roy_sudler_jr","speaker_confidence":0.95,"start_sec":8612.85,"end_sec":8643.35,"text":"And I thank you, I thank you for your infinite wisdom and clarity. I prefer to hear from you that I know I'm in good legal standing. Thank you, I yield.","topics_json":"[]","vector_id":"vec_seg_98715_507","created_at":"2026-10-31T05:11:12Z","speaker_name":"Roy Sudler, Jr."},{"id":"seg_98715_508","meeting_id":"98715","media_asset_id":"med_98715_hls_9e64686ccadd5717","agenda_item_id":null,"speaker_id":"off_fred_a_neil","speaker_confidence":0.95,"start_sec":8643.35,"end_sec":8650.86,"text":"Okay. Um, as Council President, I have a few comments. One of which is that we have attorneys that stand on both sides of the law. And when you have a justice inside,","topics_json":"[]","vector_id":"vec_seg_98715_508","created_at":"2026-10-31T05:11:12Z","speaker_name":"Fred A. Neil"},{"id":"seg_98715_509","meeting_id":"98715","media_asset_id":"med_98715_hls_9e64686ccadd5717","agenda_item_id":null,"speaker_id":"off_fred_a_neil","speaker_confidence":0.95,"start_sec":8650.86,"end_sec":8669.06,"text":"We've heard people say, \"Why don't you get rid of prostitution? Why don't you do this?\" We can't because the Attorney General said, \"Stand away. We're not going to prosecute prostitution or other crimes that are basically eating away at the city.\" Two,","topics_json":"[\"public_safety\"]","vector_id":"vec_seg_98715_509","created_at":"2026-10-31T05:11:12Z","speaker_name":"Fred A. 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Neil"},{"id":"seg_98715_511","meeting_id":"98715","media_asset_id":"med_98715_hls_9e64686ccadd5717","agenda_item_id":null,"speaker_id":"off_fred_a_neil","speaker_confidence":0.95,"start_sec":8681.46,"end_sec":8704.46,"text":"Basically, the issues that people bring up about homelessness, it's absolutely correct, this does not deal with homelessness. There are all kinds of things that the city can't do because it's not in our charter. We can't do education. We can't do health. We can't do uh social work, all of which is a part of trying to get people off the streets.","topics_json":"[\"homelessness\"]","vector_id":"vec_seg_98715_511","created_at":"2026-10-31T05:11:12Z","speaker_name":"Fred A. 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She and I had a very nice conversation on housing, which is a desperate need, absolutely desperate need, and it's something I've been fighting since 2003 when I came here to when I moved here, and it's still a big problem.","topics_json":"[\"housing\"]","vector_id":"vec_seg_98715_513","created_at":"2026-10-31T05:11:12Z","speaker_name":"Fred A. Neil"},{"id":"seg_98715_514","meeting_id":"98715","media_asset_id":"med_98715_hls_9e64686ccadd5717","agenda_item_id":null,"speaker_id":"off_fred_a_neil","speaker_confidence":0.95,"start_sec":8738.86,"end_sec":8759.96,"text":"And basically, the discussion we had was that these people have refused the help that was offered to them, they refuse. And she pointed out that a lot of these people basically have been very disappointed with the help that they were offered and have chosen this as a means of life.","topics_json":"[\"homelessness\"]","vector_id":"vec_seg_98715_514","created_at":"2026-10-31T05:11:12Z","speaker_name":"Fred A. 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They're not rational. So this is the problem that we face. This is a safety issue. It is nothing more but a safety issue.","topics_json":"[\"public_safety\"]","vector_id":"vec_seg_98715_517","created_at":"2026-10-31T05:11:12Z","speaker_name":"Fred A. Neil"},{"id":"seg_98715_518","meeting_id":"98715","media_asset_id":"med_98715_hls_9e64686ccadd5717","agenda_item_id":null,"speaker_id":"off_fred_a_neil","speaker_confidence":0.95,"start_sec":8812.56,"end_sec":8825.46,"text":"And with that, if there's no other contracts, I want I I I will suggest that we call the question. Um are you amenable to calling the question? The question now.","topics_json":"[]","vector_id":"vec_seg_98715_518","created_at":"2026-10-31T05:11:12Z","speaker_name":"Fred A. 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So, the motion was to deny proposed Ordinance 2025-21. So if you vote yes, you are voting to deny the adoption of the ordinance. If you vote no, then you would be in favor of passing the ordinance. So, Ms. Hall?","topics_json":"[]","vector_id":"vec_seg_98715_524","created_at":"2026-10-31T05:11:12Z","speaker_name":"City Clerk"},{"id":"seg_98715_525","meeting_id":"98715","media_asset_id":"med_98715_hls_9e64686ccadd5717","agenda_item_id":null,"speaker_id":"off_donyale_m_hall","speaker_confidence":0.95,"start_sec":8868.47,"end_sec":8993.87,"text":"Thank you so much. And I'm going to take the advice of our esteemed solicitor and give my $0.02 on why my vote is the way that it is. Months ago, I made some very similar observations that I thought that we might perhaps be able to find better use of moneys to address this issue. And secondly, I also made mention that the outcry behind this ordinance would surely draw a legal challenge, and we recently had a conversation regarding how much we had allocated for legal recourse and that we were probably somewhere in the neighborhood of about 50% of what we had already budgeted right after quarter one of this fiscal year. And so, I don't feel that it is wise and in the best interest of the taxpayer dollars to welcome more legal challenge that will ultimately put us in a deficit for having to defend this, especially in light of the fact that the state is trying to find a pathway forward to deal with this issue. And so, I am not in support of this ordinance, and I vote yes to deny the ordinance.","topics_json":"[\"budget\",\"taxes\",\"homelessness\"]","vector_id":"vec_seg_98715_525","created_at":"2026-10-31T05:11:12Z","speaker_name":"Donyale M. 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I spoke to individuals who I haven't spoken to, and and I'm not throwing shots, but individual voices who I have not heard from on both sides of the matter. So, um, so I wanted to spend my time hearing new voices, different voices. I spoke to clergy for and against. I spoke to legal for and against. I spoke to business owners and and constituents alike. Um, my my my while while I'm disheartened, I'll be honest with you, and it's part of what we do, while I'm disheartened by some of our decorum on this matter, um, that's things that we will have to prove upon that we can have robust discussions without personal attacks and/or attempt to humiliate individuals. That's, I'm going to say that, because it doesn't have to be that way when you disagree. Um, I also I also state that my my position is that we have a lot of legal...","topics_json":"[\"homelessness\",\"public_safety\",\"business\"]","vector_id":"vec_seg_98715_527","created_at":"2026-10-31T05:11:12Z","speaker_name":"Andre M. 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So to insult me or attempt to insult me, my works are unto the Lord so I don't need your approval. Everybody who knows, knows, and there's individuals out here knows what I do. I don't take pictures. I don't embarrass anybody at their lowest moments. So I will let you and the Lord deal with that. I have several, so to shorten it, because I have a lot to say, but I don't want to be like anyone else. I want to keep my integrity and my composure. Now, so I'm going to vote yes in this in the sense that I am not for this ordinance in this at this time and in this framework. I just believe it exposes us too much. I don't believe the the impact will the net gain is not worth the investment. I do think that we should find a means or methodology of encouraging individuals. I've witnessed individuals slip off the median. I've witnessed individuals just not be safe. But at the same but at the same time, these individuals are adults and they have rights and privileges as well. I commend your efforts, Councilman Anderson, but I ask you to go back and revisit it and shape it. I commend so we can do something positive to all the business owners. They are individuals we want to bring to the table to find a working solution. So with that said, I'll stand by my decision. I will vote yes to not to not support this at this time, and I'll still wait for the state's decision. But in the meantime, I ask I ask our police officers and I ask others to do the level best to work within the guidance that that is permitted within our state ordinance that's already that already that's already available to do the best we can with what you have. So, I vote...","topics_json":"[\"budget\",\"public_safety\",\"homelessness\"]","vector_id":"vec_seg_98715_528","created_at":"2026-10-31T05:11:12Z","speaker_name":"Andre M. 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Um the sidewalk is very accessible, it's wider, the cars can still stop and support them. I I empathize with the needs of the people, but I'm very concerned about safety. And if one person gets killed, the poor soul that hit hit them unintentionally is likely to be sued and lose everything they've ever had and be out on the corner as well. I think it's a very uh serious problem. I do agree we need to find good solutions, and all of the concerns voiced, I understand them, but I have to represent my constituents. So I do not support this uh proposal.","topics_json":"[\"public_safety\"]","vector_id":"vec_seg_98715_534","created_at":"2026-10-31T05:11:12Z","speaker_name":"Julia M. 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You don't want to deny it.","topics_json":"[]","vector_id":"vec_seg_98715_539","created_at":"2026-10-31T05:11:12Z","speaker_name":"City Clerk"},{"id":"seg_98715_54","meeting_id":"98715","media_asset_id":"med_98715_hls_9e64686ccadd5717","agenda_item_id":null,"speaker_id":"off_fred_a_neil","speaker_confidence":1,"start_sec":420.42,"end_sec":423.52,"text":"That's just a voice vote? Yes, sir. All in favor?","topics_json":"[]","vector_id":"vec_seg_98715_54","created_at":"2026-10-31T05:11:11Z","speaker_name":"Fred A. Neil"},{"id":"seg_98715_540","meeting_id":"98715","media_asset_id":"med_98715_hls_9e64686ccadd5717","agenda_item_id":null,"speaker_id":"off_julia_m_pillsbury","speaker_confidence":0.95,"start_sec":9351.69,"end_sec":9352.69,"text":"Pardon me?","topics_json":"[]","vector_id":"vec_seg_98715_540","created_at":"2026-10-31T05:11:12Z","speaker_name":"Julia M. 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I'm voting no.","topics_json":"[]","vector_id":"vec_seg_98715_550","created_at":"2026-10-31T05:11:12Z","speaker_name":"Julia M. Pillsbury"},{"id":"seg_98715_551","meeting_id":"98715","media_asset_id":"med_98715_hls_9e64686ccadd5717","agenda_item_id":null,"speaker_id":"off_fred_a_neil","speaker_confidence":0.9,"start_sec":9378.29,"end_sec":9379.49,"text":"She's voting no.","topics_json":"[]","vector_id":"vec_seg_98715_551","created_at":"2026-10-31T05:11:12Z","speaker_name":"Fred A. Neil"},{"id":"seg_98715_552","meeting_id":"98715","media_asset_id":"med_98715_hls_9e64686ccadd5717","agenda_item_id":null,"speaker_id":"off_julia_m_pillsbury","speaker_confidence":0.95,"start_sec":9379.69,"end_sec":9381.09,"text":"I'm opposed to the ordinance.","topics_json":"[]","vector_id":"vec_seg_98715_552","created_at":"2026-10-31T05:11:12Z","speaker_name":"Julia M. 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Ms. Arndt?","topics_json":"[]","vector_id":"vec_seg_98715_557","created_at":"2026-10-31T05:11:12Z","speaker_name":"City Clerk"},{"id":"seg_98715_558","meeting_id":"98715","media_asset_id":"med_98715_hls_9e64686ccadd5717","agenda_item_id":null,"speaker_id":"off_fred_a_neil","speaker_confidence":0.9,"start_sec":9396.59,"end_sec":9398.09,"text":"No, she's voting no.","topics_json":"[]","vector_id":"vec_seg_98715_558","created_at":"2026-10-31T05:11:12Z","speaker_name":"Fred A. 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Rocha, Sr."},{"id":"seg_98715_566","meeting_id":"98715","media_asset_id":"med_98715_hls_9e64686ccadd5717","agenda_item_id":null,"speaker_id":"off_gerald_l_rocha_sr","speaker_confidence":0.95,"start_sec":9564.52,"end_sec":9611.47,"text":"Um, I'm waiting to hear case laws, things of that nature come about, and I didn't hear anything being quoted that says that this law, or this ordinance, if passed, is going to is going to um pass the litmus test in a lawsuit. And based on uh you know what Representative Lynn, who to me carries a lot of weight because he's a he's a he's a lawyer, and you know, I can't take what he said for granted. Although I do I do want to side with the ordinance because of the safety portion of it, um does it pass the the litmus test from a legal standpoint? And I'm I'm I'm now not convinced that it is. So, I'm going to vote yes on this ordinance. And you know, it took me a long time to get here. Um, I want to commend Michelle Paul.","topics_json":"[\"public_safety\"]","vector_id":"vec_seg_98715_566","created_at":"2026-10-31T05:11:12Z","speaker_name":"Gerald L. Rocha, Sr."},{"id":"seg_98715_567","meeting_id":"98715","media_asset_id":"med_98715_hls_9e64686ccadd5717","agenda_item_id":null,"speaker_id":"spk_98715_audience_member","speaker_confidence":0.7,"start_sec":9615.38,"end_sec":9616.38,"text":"That's right, Chelle!","topics_json":"[]","vector_id":"vec_seg_98715_567","created_at":"2026-10-31T05:11:12Z","speaker_name":null},{"id":"seg_98715_568","meeting_id":"98715","media_asset_id":"med_98715_hls_9e64686ccadd5717","agenda_item_id":null,"speaker_id":"off_gerald_l_rocha_sr","speaker_confidence":0.95,"start_sec":9616.79,"end_sec":9633.91,"text":"I don't always agree with everything that she presents at the podium, but she did it the right way this time. She did it the right way. And, you know, it might be AI or whatever, but she did it the right way, and it caused me","topics_json":"[]","vector_id":"vec_seg_98715_568","created_at":"2026-10-31T05:11:12Z","speaker_name":"Gerald L. Rocha, Sr."},{"id":"seg_98715_569","meeting_id":"98715","media_asset_id":"med_98715_hls_9e64686ccadd5717","agenda_item_id":null,"speaker_id":"off_andre_m_boggerty","speaker_confidence":0.95,"start_sec":9633.91,"end_sec":9769.91,"text":"to think, and it caused me to wait to hear the answers, and they didn't come. And and I think, you know, it wasn't as convincing to me today even though, you know, I I want I want the safety of those individuals in the median um to be put at the forefront of this ordinance. That's that's the only reason why I supported the ordinance up until this point. But now does it pass the litmus test from a legal standpoint is what I'm weighing today, and I didn't get the the the confidence in the answers that I heard from tonight, which is the reason why I flipped. We all do that. We we we are we can flip. So don't don't bash a flip-flopper when they don't go in your favor, and now, all of a sudden, I'm a flip-flopper and it's okay. But I, you know, and I do honor my constituents. You know, I have constituents that I talk to on both sides, so I do honor those that have the same concerns that I do for the pedestrian safety. But when you when I weigh it across the board, I'm I'm making a conscious decision, and I have to I have to say that, you know, I'm not totally convinced from the legal standpoint. I think we may end up with more problems than we need right now, not to say that we couldn't dust this thing off in the future, but right now, this is where I stand. It's a yes to Sudler's motion, and I yield.","topics_json":"[\"public_safety\"]","vector_id":"vec_seg_98715_569","created_at":"2026-10-31T05:11:12Z","speaker_name":"Andre M. 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Um, first, I want to say I concur with Councilman Boggerty. He's been attacked, and I also have been attacked. People know that my family has a lawsuit right now, and I've been attacked by someone's wife, which which I've never done that to any one of you, and I don't appreciate it. But I never let that be why I'm in opposition. I'm in opposition because I don't think that this is the right thing to do. I believe that it is a safety issue, cuz I'm the one who manifested this whole idea, and Dave, you know that. But the way and the route that you took, I don't agree with. And for those reasons stated, and I hope, Ms. Jeanie, I hope you you never do that to me again, cuz I've never done that to you, and you know what I'm talking about, the $350,000 comment. So, I need to address that cuz that's that's how I'm built. Nevertheless, I'm voting yes, and I want to commend the council president for the way he conducted this meeting. It was honorable. I like the way how you you didn't do the public forum right then and there, but you still allowed the public to speak, and and I appreciate that. And I know the position you're in, and how tough it can be, and I want to say you did a hell of a job tonight. I yield.","topics_json":"[\"public_safety\"]","vector_id":"vec_seg_98715_571","created_at":"2026-10-31T05:11:12Z","speaker_name":"Roy Sudler, Jr."},{"id":"seg_98715_572","meeting_id":"98715","media_asset_id":"med_98715_hls_9e64686ccadd5717","agenda_item_id":null,"speaker_id":"spk_98715_city_clerk","speaker_confidence":0.95,"start_sec":9821.71,"end_sec":9823.11,"text":"Mr. Lewis.","topics_json":"[]","vector_id":"vec_seg_98715_572","created_at":"2026-10-31T05:11:12Z","speaker_name":"City Clerk"},{"id":"seg_98715_573","meeting_id":"98715","media_asset_id":"med_98715_hls_9e64686ccadd5717","agenda_item_id":null,"speaker_id":"off_brian_e_lewis","speaker_confidence":0.95,"start_sec":9823.51,"end_sec":9830.51,"text":"Thank you. We've been going back and forth with this for five months now, and I've heard the opposition","topics_json":"[\"public_safety\"]","vector_id":"vec_seg_98715_573","created_at":"2026-10-31T05:11:12Z","speaker_name":"Brian E. Lewis"},{"id":"seg_98715_574","meeting_id":"98715","media_asset_id":"med_98715_hls_9e64686ccadd5717","agenda_item_id":null,"speaker_id":"off_brian_e_lewis","speaker_confidence":0.95,"start_sec":9830.52,"end_sec":9953.39,"text":"I've heard from those that support it, and I prayed on this. I prayed for guidance, and God put on my heart that we're dealing with people, and and people are people. And I've heard everybody speak tonight that was out there, and you are 100% correct, we need to help our brothers and sisters that are out there. We need to help them. They're suffering. We can't be judgmental. I heard the one lady say that we're so judgmental today. We can't be judgmental. There's only one, okay, that can judge us, and that's God Almighty. We should not be judging one another. The two concerns that I had with this ordinance is that, number one, it will drastically affect those that are already down on their luck or suffering from hardships. So these people are out there because they're suffering and they're down and out on their luck. That's why they're out there doing what they're doing. I understand the safety aspect of it, 100% I understand it. But what are these people to do? What are they to do? The resources are limited. The second reason is that it will persecute those who are attempting to help those in need. So if you and I go out there trying to give a bottle of water, cash, whatever it it'd be, there's a possibility of us getting a ticket. And I don't think that's right, and that really bothers me. Um, so they're the two main concerns that I had with this ordinance, um, that are telling me to vote yes on Mr. Sudler's motion. Okay, but let me leave you with this: the buck stopped with us.","topics_json":"[\"public_safety\",\"homelessness\"]","vector_id":"vec_seg_98715_574","created_at":"2026-10-31T05:11:12Z","speaker_name":"Brian E. Lewis"},{"id":"seg_98715_575","meeting_id":"98715","media_asset_id":"med_98715_hls_9e64686ccadd5717","agenda_item_id":null,"speaker_id":"off_brian_e_lewis","speaker_confidence":0.95,"start_sec":9954.57,"end_sec":10021.4,"text":"The buck stops with us, okay? We can't be pondering back and forth, it's the AG's fault, it's this person's fault, it's that person's fault, it starts with us. We need to do something. If we can't do it, we need to ask the state and federal government for help. But we're the legislative body of this city. And it needs to start with us. So whatever committees people want to start to address this, count me in. And I vote yes.","topics_json":"[\"public_safety\",\"homelessness\"]","vector_id":"vec_seg_98715_575","created_at":"2026-10-31T05:11:12Z","speaker_name":"Brian E. Lewis"},{"id":"seg_98715_576","meeting_id":"98715","media_asset_id":"med_98715_hls_9e64686ccadd5717","agenda_item_id":null,"speaker_id":"spk_98715_city_clerk","speaker_confidence":0.95,"start_sec":10025.61,"end_sec":10026.88,"text":"Council President Neil?","topics_json":"[]","vector_id":"vec_seg_98715_576","created_at":"2026-10-31T05:11:12Z","speaker_name":"City Clerk"},{"id":"seg_98715_577","meeting_id":"98715","media_asset_id":"med_98715_hls_9e64686ccadd5717","agenda_item_id":null,"speaker_id":"off_fred_a_neil","speaker_confidence":0.95,"start_sec":10027.13,"end_sec":10027.13,"text":"I'm voting no, and I'm voting no, as I think that began the idea that it's a safety issue. The other issues are real. The issues of people who are incapable of taking care of, of being rational, because whether it's drug addiction, whether it's mental, or whether they've kind of given up hope, we've offered help, we have to offer help, we will continue to offer help, but for those who reject it, we still have the problem. We'll go back to the drawing board and see what we can do, but I'm voting in principle, that if a person strikes and hurts or kills somebody, it scars them for life. We should not have that,","topics_json":"[\"public_safety\",\"homelessness\"]","vector_id":"vec_seg_98715_577","created_at":"2026-10-31T05:11:12Z","speaker_name":"Fred A. Neil"},{"id":"seg_98715_578","meeting_id":"98715","media_asset_id":"med_98715_hls_9e64686ccadd5717","agenda_item_id":null,"speaker_id":"off_fred_a_neil","speaker_confidence":0.95,"start_sec":10027.13,"end_sec":10035.83,"text":"And that person should not have been hit, should not have been injured, and should not have been killed. And my vote is no.","topics_json":"[]","vector_id":"vec_seg_98715_578","created_at":"2026-10-31T05:11:12Z","speaker_name":"Fred A. Neil"},{"id":"seg_98715_579","meeting_id":"98715","media_asset_id":"med_98715_hls_9e64686ccadd5717","agenda_item_id":null,"speaker_id":"spk_98715_city_clerk","speaker_confidence":0.95,"start_sec":10040.63,"end_sec":10046.43,"text":"At this time the ordinance fails with a vote of six yes to deny and three no.","topics_json":"[]","vector_id":"vec_seg_98715_579","created_at":"2026-10-31T05:11:12Z","speaker_name":"City Clerk"},{"id":"seg_98715_58","meeting_id":"98715","media_asset_id":"med_98715_hls_9e64686ccadd5717","agenda_item_id":null,"speaker_id":"off_fred_a_neil","speaker_confidence":1,"start_sec":440.02,"end_sec":444.72,"text":"We need now a, a motion to accept the consent agenda as amended.","topics_json":"[]","vector_id":"vec_seg_98715_58","created_at":"2026-10-31T05:11:11Z","speaker_name":"Fred A. 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Hugg, III"},{"id":"seg_98715_582","meeting_id":"98715","media_asset_id":"med_98715_hls_9e64686ccadd5717","agenda_item_id":null,"speaker_id":"off_fred_a_neil","speaker_confidence":0.95,"start_sec":10059.33,"end_sec":10065.53,"text":"The mayor is not here, so we come back to council members' announcements. Yeah. Dr. Sudler.","topics_json":"[]","vector_id":"vec_seg_98715_582","created_at":"2026-10-31T05:11:12Z","speaker_name":"Fred A. Neil"},{"id":"seg_98715_583","meeting_id":"98715","media_asset_id":"med_98715_hls_9e64686ccadd5717","agenda_item_id":null,"speaker_id":"off_roy_sudler_jr","speaker_confidence":0.95,"start_sec":10065.53,"end_sec":10143.63,"text":"Uh thank you, Council President, for recognizing me. I just want to uh bring something to council's attention that um we I've gotten a lot of concerns in regards Excuse me, everyone. We're still in session. 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But I'm going to ask if you could possibly get together with with uh our City Manager, Mr. Hugg, and and give a report uh at the next uh Committee of the Whole or council meeting on, you know, the costs and No, no, uh the next meeting, and and if you could basically give a cost so the residents residents are aware of what's going on uh as far as, you know, how much it costs for salt and and and what you guys did. What you guys did. And I applaud the workers. I want to applaud the workers. You know, 100%. You know, I don't care what the critics say, uh you guys, you know, did a phenomenal job in trying to address the matter. 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Neil"},{"id":"seg_98715_591","meeting_id":"98715","media_asset_id":"med_98715_hls_9e64686ccadd5717","agenda_item_id":null,"speaker_id":"off_david_l_anderson","speaker_confidence":0.95,"start_sec":10265.86,"end_sec":10380.2,"text":"[laughter] Uh probably if it rains uh that probably won't be an issue. Um, but the uh it is uh 10:00 a.m. to 4:00 p.m. Uh, people can start gathering at 9:00 at the uh Zimmerman parking lot, corner of uh Division Street and Governors Avenue. Uh, and it's uh a Join Us to Beautify Our Community. It is uh posted on my Facebook page, as well as I'm sure other places. Uh, and uh people who are interested in participating can uh email uh [contact removed], and uh that's Bedford, b-e-d-f-o-r-d, 1 [contact removed] Or, and there's other ways that are on the flyer that is posted. It It's important to keep the community um it it's clean and decent because uh we we know that's one of the big problems that's driving away investment uh downtown. It's uh just the appearance, and uh it we have to join together as a community to to do something about it. We've been doing that, of course, with different days, and and this is another opportunity. The The and then uh would want to uh people who've said they're interested in affordable housing uh need to keep on the next next couple Council Committee of the Wholes. Of course, we've dealt with this before, but there's uh some presentations that people are want to be interest that'll be interested in, including uh one from NCALL tomorrow, and also one from the the uh one from uh Little Living, um which is um the which will be on the uh 10th uh of March. So, uh I would encourage uh people who are interested to participate in that either in person or online. Thank you.","topics_json":"[\"housing\",\"business\"]","vector_id":"vec_seg_98715_591","created_at":"2026-10-31T05:11:12Z","speaker_name":"David L. 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Uh JustServe dedicated staff in the state, which it has staff in Delaware, and many cities and towns have, including Smyrna, uh in, to, that are part of the network. It is uh very simple to be involved. We just need a resolution or proclamation to become a JustServe city. This will not only help to prioritize us, but we will get grants. The Town of Smyrna received food for their Christmas giveaway to citizens in need and the uh vice chair, Vice Mayor, uh Dr. Upshur uh highly recommend that we uh join. And uh it's also endorsed very strongly by the Mayor of Smyrna as well. The, it's, this is something that is uh rare because it, it is something good. It doesn't cost us anything. We don't have to dedicate staff time to it or, or, or money and it's uh, just enhances our community and, and then, and it even gets us re-","topics_json":"[]","vector_id":"vec_seg_98715_85","created_at":"2026-10-31T05:11:11Z","speaker_name":"David L. 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Whereas, we firmly believe that the values of compassion, empathy, and community support are the foundation of a united, harmonious society and foster connections that transcend differences; and whereas, the strength and prosperity of our cities, towns, and villages are based on the selflessness of its residents to serve and uplift one another; and whereas, we acknowledge the profound impact that can be achieved when we extend a helping hand to our neighbors, especially those of diverse backgrounds, and lift them up and collectively work to improve lives; and whereas, we nurture a culture of giving within our cities, emphasizing that volunteerism is not just a duty, but a source of personal fulfillment and community strength; and as we work side-by-side with and learn from each other, mutual understanding increases, misconceptions can be corrected, and new friendships are built; and whereas, we urge all citizens to care for one another, volunteer, and engage in acts of service and kindness that contribute to our city's betterment","topics_json":"[]","vector_id":"vec_seg_98715_88","created_at":"2026-10-31T05:11:11Z","speaker_name":"City Clerk"},{"id":"seg_98715_89","meeting_id":"98715","media_asset_id":"med_98715_hls_9e64686ccadd5717","agenda_item_id":null,"speaker_id":"spk_98715_city_clerk","speaker_confidence":0.9,"start_sec":671.79,"end_sec":700.08,"text":"and its inhabitants' well-being, regardless of background or belief; and whereas, the City of Dover has joined a growing list of supporters, including the president of the National League of Cities and hundreds of leaders to date in making a commitment to volunteerism; now, therefore, be it resolved that the Mayor and Council do hereby proclaim the 26th day of February, 2026 as a day on which the City of Dover reaffirms its commitment to fostering a spirit of volunteerism by promoting the use of justserve.org, encouraging residents to engage in meaningful opportunities to give back and recognizing the invaluable contributions of volunteers throughout our community.","topics_json":"[]","vector_id":"vec_seg_98715_89","created_at":"2026-10-31T05:11:11Z","speaker_name":"City Clerk"},{"id":"seg_98715_9","meeting_id":"98715","media_asset_id":"med_98715_hls_9e64686ccadd5717","agenda_item_id":null,"speaker_id":"off_fred_a_neil","speaker_confidence":0.95,"start_sec":189.22,"end_sec":190.59,"text":"Uh Councilman uh Dr. uh Sudler.","topics_json":"[]","vector_id":"vec_seg_98715_9","created_at":"2026-10-31T05:11:11Z","speaker_name":"Fred A. 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Next item of business is, I believe, number 14. Request—","topics_json":"[]","vector_id":"vec_seg_98715_92","created_at":"2026-10-31T05:11:11Z","speaker_name":"Fred A. Neil"},{"id":"seg_98715_93","meeting_id":"98715","media_asset_id":"med_98715_hls_9e64686ccadd5717","agenda_item_id":null,"speaker_id":"off_brian_e_lewis","speaker_confidence":0.95,"start_sec":737.75,"end_sec":757.87,"text":"President Neil, before you move forward on that item, uh, I would like to make a—well, first of all, I had dialogue with the chief earlier this afternoon, and I'd like to make a motion, um, to defer this item to the next council meeting, uh, to revisit, uh, a conversation that I had with Ms. Benne. Uh, in view of the recent loss of a family member, um, you know, I don't feel that it would be appropriate right now to speak with her. Uh, so that's why I'm making this motion at this time.","topics_json":"[]","vector_id":"vec_seg_98715_93","created_at":"2026-10-31T05:11:11Z","speaker_name":"Brian E. 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You know, people's memories sometimes lapse, so I just want to say that for the record. Thank you. I yield.","topics_json":"[]","vector_id":"vec_seg_98715_99","created_at":"2026-10-31T05:11:11Z","speaker_name":"Roy Sudler, Jr."},{"id":"seg_98719_1","meeting_id":"98719","media_asset_id":"med_98719_69e35d5dc574a0f3","agenda_item_id":null,"speaker_id":"off_fred_a_neil","speaker_confidence":0.95,"start_sec":0,"end_sec":7.39,"text":"Normally we would have a one-minute warning, but this is the warning and it's immediate.","topics_json":"[]","vector_id":"vec_seg_98719_1","created_at":"2026-10-31T06:21:39Z","speaker_name":"Fred A. Neil"},{"id":"seg_98719_10","meeting_id":"98719","media_asset_id":"med_98719_69e35d5dc574a0f3","agenda_item_id":null,"speaker_id":"spk_98719_staff_member","speaker_confidence":0.85,"start_sec":116.12,"end_sec":119.86,"text":"Yeah, it doesn't work. 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We need to begin evaluating budgets, drafting RFPs, and defining AV modernizations that complements what other, you know, it's going to compete with other infrastructure projects.","topics_json":"[\"budget\"]","vector_id":"vec_seg_98719_105","created_at":"2026-10-31T06:21:40Z","speaker_name":"Joe Simmons"},{"id":"seg_98719_106","meeting_id":"98719","media_asset_id":"med_98719_69e35d5dc574a0f3","agenda_item_id":null,"speaker_id":"spk_98719_joe_simmons","speaker_confidence":0.9,"start_sec":2003.17,"end_sec":2016.58,"text":"The difference between delay and approval comes down to clarity, which we want to get tonight, of planning to upgrade our systems. In the framework of civil infrastructure, it's not obligational technology, it becomes essential for public communication.","topics_json":"[]","vector_id":"vec_seg_98719_106","created_at":"2026-10-31T06:21:40Z","speaker_name":"Joe Simmons"},{"id":"seg_98719_107","meeting_id":"98719","media_asset_id":"med_98719_69e35d5dc574a0f3","agenda_item_id":null,"speaker_id":"spk_98719_joe_simmons","speaker_confidence":0.9,"start_sec":2016.58,"end_sec":2050.48,"text":"So, again, I have A.J. from Assurance Media. They came there and did an extensive review of what we have, and we can bring him up and he can kind of go over some of the high points of and low points of what we found.","topics_json":"[]","vector_id":"vec_seg_98719_107","created_at":"2026-10-31T06:21:40Z","speaker_name":"Joe Simmons"},{"id":"seg_98719_108","meeting_id":"98719","media_asset_id":"med_98719_69e35d5dc574a0f3","agenda_item_id":null,"speaker_id":"off_fred_a_neil","speaker_confidence":0.95,"start_sec":2050.48,"end_sec":2051.73,"text":"A.J., welcome.","topics_json":"[]","vector_id":"vec_seg_98719_108","created_at":"2026-10-31T06:21:40Z","speaker_name":"Fred A. Neil"},{"id":"seg_98719_109","meeting_id":"98719","media_asset_id":"med_98719_69e35d5dc574a0f3","agenda_item_id":null,"speaker_id":"spk_98719_aj_roman","speaker_confidence":0.9,"start_sec":2051.73,"end_sec":2052.88,"text":"Thank you. Good evening.","topics_json":"[]","vector_id":"vec_seg_98719_109","created_at":"2026-10-31T06:21:40Z","speaker_name":"AJ Roman"},{"id":"seg_98719_11","meeting_id":"98719","media_asset_id":"med_98719_69e35d5dc574a0f3","agenda_item_id":null,"speaker_id":"spk_98719_linda_parkowski","speaker_confidence":0.9,"start_sec":120,"end_sec":121.28,"text":"Is there a clicker?","topics_json":"[]","vector_id":"vec_seg_98719_11","created_at":"2026-10-31T06:21:40Z","speaker_name":"Linda Parkowski"},{"id":"seg_98719_110","meeting_id":"98719","media_asset_id":"med_98719_69e35d5dc574a0f3","agenda_item_id":null,"speaker_id":"spk_98719_aj_roman","speaker_confidence":0.9,"start_sec":2052.88,"end_sec":2054.95,"text":"Thank you, Joe.","topics_json":"[]","vector_id":"vec_seg_98719_110","created_at":"2026-10-31T06:21:40Z","speaker_name":"AJ Roman"},{"id":"seg_98719_111","meeting_id":"98719","media_asset_id":"med_98719_69e35d5dc574a0f3","agenda_item_id":null,"speaker_id":"spk_98719_aj_roman","speaker_confidence":0.9,"start_sec":2054.95,"end_sec":2083.8,"text":"Again, A.J. Roman from Assurance Media. We're a professional integrator in the state of Delaware. I have my engineer, designer, and programmer here with me, Josh McKinley. We just wanted to go over a little bit of our findings. There's a lot of pieces of equipment that are end-of-life, and again, as Joe mentioned, the camera that failed. There's a lot of equipment behind that camera that if we replace that camera with a newer model or a different brand, all of those equipment need to be replaced as well, which could get very costly, and just doing band-aids will probably be more costly to you guys than to just to replace everything and get everything up and running to its full potential.","topics_json":"[]","vector_id":"vec_seg_98719_111","created_at":"2026-10-31T06:21:40Z","speaker_name":"AJ Roman"},{"id":"seg_98719_112","meeting_id":"98719","media_asset_id":"med_98719_69e35d5dc574a0f3","agenda_item_id":null,"speaker_id":"spk_98719_aj_roman","speaker_confidence":0.9,"start_sec":2083.8,"end_sec":2131.02,"text":"So, much of the current hardware is end of life, no longer supported, already experiencing a lot of failures. If we continue to band-aid things, the system will not become, will become very costly to maintain, and the reliability will go down. This upgrade will provide a stable, fully supported, and cost-effective long-term solution for everyone here. So I will take questions if you guys have. Josh will be a little bit more technical if you guys want to get down to the weeds. Certainly.","topics_json":"[]","vector_id":"vec_seg_98719_112","created_at":"2026-10-31T06:21:40Z","speaker_name":"AJ Roman"},{"id":"seg_98719_113","meeting_id":"98719","media_asset_id":"med_98719_69e35d5dc574a0f3","agenda_item_id":null,"speaker_id":"off_fred_a_neil","speaker_confidence":0.95,"start_sec":2131.02,"end_sec":2134.05,"text":"Councilman Lewis followed by Councilman Dr. Sudler.","topics_json":"[]","vector_id":"vec_seg_98719_113","created_at":"2026-10-31T06:21:40Z","speaker_name":"Fred A. Neil"},{"id":"seg_98719_114","meeting_id":"98719","media_asset_id":"med_98719_69e35d5dc574a0f3","agenda_item_id":null,"speaker_id":"off_brian_e_lewis","speaker_confidence":0.95,"start_sec":2134.05,"end_sec":2134.87,"text":"Good evening, gentlemen.","topics_json":"[]","vector_id":"vec_seg_98719_114","created_at":"2026-10-31T06:21:40Z","speaker_name":"Brian E. Lewis"},{"id":"seg_98719_115","meeting_id":"98719","media_asset_id":"med_98719_69e35d5dc574a0f3","agenda_item_id":null,"speaker_id":"spk_98719_aj_roman","speaker_confidence":0.9,"start_sec":2134.87,"end_sec":2135.4,"text":"Good evening.","topics_json":"[]","vector_id":"vec_seg_98719_115","created_at":"2026-10-31T06:21:40Z","speaker_name":"AJ Roman"},{"id":"seg_98719_116","meeting_id":"98719","media_asset_id":"med_98719_69e35d5dc574a0f3","agenda_item_id":null,"speaker_id":"off_brian_e_lewis","speaker_confidence":0.95,"start_sec":2135.4,"end_sec":2173.58,"text":"There's no doubt that the system needs to be upgraded in this chamber. It's going to come down to cost, though, and I don't know if you'd be able to give us an estimated cost this evening on how much it would be to replace the system in this chamber. Can you give that information tonight, or?","topics_json":"[\"budget\"]","vector_id":"vec_seg_98719_116","created_at":"2026-10-31T06:21:40Z","speaker_name":"Brian E. Lewis"},{"id":"seg_98719_117","meeting_id":"98719","media_asset_id":"med_98719_69e35d5dc574a0f3","agenda_item_id":null,"speaker_id":"spk_98719_aj_roman","speaker_confidence":0.9,"start_sec":2173.58,"end_sec":2179.64,"text":"Unfortunately, I can't give an exact number. It's It's less than a million dollars, more than a dollar, unfortunately.","topics_json":"[\"budget\"]","vector_id":"vec_seg_98719_117","created_at":"2026-10-31T06:21:40Z","speaker_name":"AJ Roman"},{"id":"seg_98719_118","meeting_id":"98719","media_asset_id":"med_98719_69e35d5dc574a0f3","agenda_item_id":null,"speaker_id":"off_brian_e_lewis","speaker_confidence":0.95,"start_sec":2179.64,"end_sec":2181.9,"text":"Well, less than a million dollars, I mean, that that's high.","topics_json":"[\"budget\"]","vector_id":"vec_seg_98719_118","created_at":"2026-10-31T06:21:40Z","speaker_name":"Brian E. Lewis"},{"id":"seg_98719_119","meeting_id":"98719","media_asset_id":"med_98719_69e35d5dc574a0f3","agenda_item_id":null,"speaker_id":"spk_98719_aj_roman","speaker_confidence":0.9,"start_sec":2181.9,"end_sec":2235.89,"text":"Understood. Unfortunately, I can't. But we have done a full evaluation of the system. There's a lot of products that are, again, outdated and and on the edge of failing. There are some products here that are reusable. For instance, these microphones are perfectly functional. The equipment that's behind the microphones for the audio system, we do need to update some pieces of those, but they're not not all of it. So we do need to do a full evaluation on which product is ready to fail, we think that's going to fail, or ones that has to be replaced just because if they fail, they're going to cause more problems. And once we have that, we can put a good, solid number together for you.","topics_json":"[]","vector_id":"vec_seg_98719_119","created_at":"2026-10-31T06:21:40Z","speaker_name":"AJ Roman"},{"id":"seg_98719_12","meeting_id":"98719","media_asset_id":"med_98719_69e35d5dc574a0f3","agenda_item_id":null,"speaker_id":"spk_98719_staff_member","speaker_confidence":0.85,"start_sec":121.84,"end_sec":124.08,"text":"Just let me know when you're ready to move on.","topics_json":"[]","vector_id":"vec_seg_98719_12","created_at":"2026-10-31T06:21:40Z","speaker_name":null},{"id":"seg_98719_120","meeting_id":"98719","media_asset_id":"med_98719_69e35d5dc574a0f3","agenda_item_id":null,"speaker_id":"off_brian_e_lewis","speaker_confidence":0.95,"start_sec":2235.89,"end_sec":2249.79,"text":"Understood. So to be cost-effective, you can still utilize some of the equipment that currently is in place in this chamber. What are the warranties that come with the new system or new equipment that you're going to be integrating into this chamber if it's approved?","topics_json":"[]","vector_id":"vec_seg_98719_120","created_at":"2026-10-31T06:21:40Z","speaker_name":"Brian E. Lewis"},{"id":"seg_98719_121","meeting_id":"98719","media_asset_id":"med_98719_69e35d5dc574a0f3","agenda_item_id":null,"speaker_id":"spk_98719_aj_roman","speaker_confidence":0.9,"start_sec":2249.79,"end_sec":2294.56,"text":"Sure. At minimum, it's 1 year. Some of the products are 2 years. Some of the products are 3 years. And we also have what we call a maintenance agreement that we can set up, so you guys can see what that provides. What that will provide, depending on the level of agreement, could be a full replacement of hardware that fails and the service behind it. So, that way that annual maintenance agreement will cover any repair, replacement of hardware for that year.","topics_json":"[]","vector_id":"vec_seg_98719_121","created_at":"2026-10-31T06:21:40Z","speaker_name":"AJ Roman"},{"id":"seg_98719_122","meeting_id":"98719","media_asset_id":"med_98719_69e35d5dc574a0f3","agenda_item_id":null,"speaker_id":"off_brian_e_lewis","speaker_confidence":0.95,"start_sec":2294.56,"end_sec":2300.9,"text":"Okay. So, depending, I guess, on what plan we get as far as the warranty, it comes in intervals, it could be a 1 year, 2 year, 3 year, am I correct?","topics_json":"[]","vector_id":"vec_seg_98719_122","created_at":"2026-10-31T06:21:40Z","speaker_name":"Brian E. Lewis"},{"id":"seg_98719_123","meeting_id":"98719","media_asset_id":"med_98719_69e35d5dc574a0f3","agenda_item_id":null,"speaker_id":"spk_98719_aj_roman","speaker_confidence":0.9,"start_sec":2300.9,"end_sec":2301.53,"text":"That's correct.","topics_json":"[]","vector_id":"vec_seg_98719_123","created_at":"2026-10-31T06:21:40Z","speaker_name":"AJ Roman"},{"id":"seg_98719_124","meeting_id":"98719","media_asset_id":"med_98719_69e35d5dc574a0f3","agenda_item_id":null,"speaker_id":"off_brian_e_lewis","speaker_confidence":0.95,"start_sec":2301.53,"end_sec":2314.46,"text":"Okay. Then my next question: if we, for instance, authorize a maintenance plan for 2 or 3 years, would our IT department, and I guess this question would come to you, Joe, be able to maintain the equipment after the contract ran out?","topics_json":"[]","vector_id":"vec_seg_98719_124","created_at":"2026-10-31T06:21:40Z","speaker_name":"Brian E. Lewis"},{"id":"seg_98719_125","meeting_id":"98719","media_asset_id":"med_98719_69e35d5dc574a0f3","agenda_item_id":null,"speaker_id":"spk_98719_joe_simmons","speaker_confidence":0.9,"start_sec":2314.46,"end_sec":2354.42,"text":"I would say that it all depends on the type of the equipment. Obviously, our IT department can maintain the computers over here, some of the things. But when you get into the encoders, the bridge, the feed that sends out to our Comcast, that's more on the lines of more AV experts. And I would suggest getting a maintenance contract from a AV company to come in and to maintain that.","topics_json":"[]","vector_id":"vec_seg_98719_125","created_at":"2026-10-31T06:21:40Z","speaker_name":"Joe Simmons"},{"id":"seg_98719_126","meeting_id":"98719","media_asset_id":"med_98719_69e35d5dc574a0f3","agenda_item_id":null,"speaker_id":"spk_98719_joe_simmons","speaker_confidence":0.9,"start_sec":2354.42,"end_sec":2376.64,"text":"I would like to follow up on the question you had about cost. Obviously, we can't pinpoint the cost now because there's other things that if if so Council so sets forth, there's other options we can do. I mean, we heard about how we can stream to social media platforms, whether it's YouTube, upgrade our remote meeting, far as when you a meeting, and also upgrade some of our video retention and tools that if you want to go back and look at a meeting from like, say, 6 months or a year ago, you can easily index that and bring it up.","topics_json":"[\"budget\"]","vector_id":"vec_seg_98719_126","created_at":"2026-10-31T06:21:40Z","speaker_name":"Joe Simmons"},{"id":"seg_98719_127","meeting_id":"98719","media_asset_id":"med_98719_69e35d5dc574a0f3","agenda_item_id":null,"speaker_id":"spk_98719_joe_simmons","speaker_confidence":0.9,"start_sec":2376.64,"end_sec":2414.87,"text":"So it's just not just there's a lot of technology behind these cameras and monitors that we can choose if if if Council so choose to upgrade as well. So we can kind of like also take not only just replace stuff that we're doing, but also enhance and expand our our city communications. And I think that's, you know, that that's a big thing that we need to look at too.","topics_json":"[]","vector_id":"vec_seg_98719_127","created_at":"2026-10-31T06:21:40Z","speaker_name":"Joe Simmons"},{"id":"seg_98719_128","meeting_id":"98719","media_asset_id":"med_98719_69e35d5dc574a0f3","agenda_item_id":null,"speaker_id":"off_brian_e_lewis","speaker_confidence":0.95,"start_sec":2414.87,"end_sec":2417.8,"text":"Understood. And that's all the questions I have at this time.","topics_json":"[]","vector_id":"vec_seg_98719_128","created_at":"2026-10-31T06:21:40Z","speaker_name":"Brian E. Lewis"},{"id":"seg_98719_129","meeting_id":"98719","media_asset_id":"med_98719_69e35d5dc574a0f3","agenda_item_id":null,"speaker_id":"off_fred_a_neil","speaker_confidence":0.95,"start_sec":2417.8,"end_sec":2419.96,"text":"Councilman Sudler followed by Councilman Rocha.","topics_json":"[]","vector_id":"vec_seg_98719_129","created_at":"2026-10-31T06:21:40Z","speaker_name":"Fred A. 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Thank you.","topics_json":"[]","vector_id":"vec_seg_98719_13","created_at":"2026-10-31T06:21:40Z","speaker_name":"Linda Parkowski"},{"id":"seg_98719_130","meeting_id":"98719","media_asset_id":"med_98719_69e35d5dc574a0f3","agenda_item_id":null,"speaker_id":"off_roy_sudler_jr","speaker_confidence":0.95,"start_sec":2419.96,"end_sec":2422.37,"text":"I'll yield to Councilman Rocha if I can go after Councilman Rocha, cuz he seems to have a bit more in-depth knowledge on AV.","topics_json":"[]","vector_id":"vec_seg_98719_130","created_at":"2026-10-31T06:21:40Z","speaker_name":"Roy Sudler, Jr."},{"id":"seg_98719_131","meeting_id":"98719","media_asset_id":"med_98719_69e35d5dc574a0f3","agenda_item_id":null,"speaker_id":"off_gerald_l_rocha_sr","speaker_confidence":0.95,"start_sec":2422.37,"end_sec":2423.23,"text":"I appreciate that. Technology.","topics_json":"[]","vector_id":"vec_seg_98719_131","created_at":"2026-10-31T06:21:40Z","speaker_name":"Gerald L. Rocha, Sr."},{"id":"seg_98719_132","meeting_id":"98719","media_asset_id":"med_98719_69e35d5dc574a0f3","agenda_item_id":null,"speaker_id":"off_roy_sudler_jr","speaker_confidence":0.95,"start_sec":2423.23,"end_sec":2423.71,"text":"Technology.","topics_json":"[]","vector_id":"vec_seg_98719_132","created_at":"2026-10-31T06:21:40Z","speaker_name":"Roy Sudler, Jr."},{"id":"seg_98719_133","meeting_id":"98719","media_asset_id":"med_98719_69e35d5dc574a0f3","agenda_item_id":null,"speaker_id":"off_gerald_l_rocha_sr","speaker_confidence":0.95,"start_sec":2423.71,"end_sec":2427.51,"text":"Yeah. So basically, you guys have taken a look at at the system thus far, correct?","topics_json":"[]","vector_id":"vec_seg_98719_133","created_at":"2026-10-31T06:21:40Z","speaker_name":"Gerald L. Rocha, Sr."},{"id":"seg_98719_134","meeting_id":"98719","media_asset_id":"med_98719_69e35d5dc574a0f3","agenda_item_id":null,"speaker_id":"spk_98719_aj_roman","speaker_confidence":0.9,"start_sec":2427.51,"end_sec":2427.99,"text":"Yes. Yes, we have.","topics_json":"[]","vector_id":"vec_seg_98719_134","created_at":"2026-10-31T06:21:40Z","speaker_name":"AJ Roman"},{"id":"seg_98719_135","meeting_id":"98719","media_asset_id":"med_98719_69e35d5dc574a0f3","agenda_item_id":null,"speaker_id":"off_gerald_l_rocha_sr","speaker_confidence":0.95,"start_sec":2427.99,"end_sec":2470.02,"text":"Okay. So one of the things that I would hope, and I'm pretty sure is going to be upgraded like last night, for instance, right? If somebody is speaking through the Webex, our our staff has to hold the mic to a owl and try to get that audio through here. But you you you are looking at simplifying that part of the the system, correct?","topics_json":"[]","vector_id":"vec_seg_98719_135","created_at":"2026-10-31T06:21:40Z","speaker_name":"Gerald L. Rocha, Sr."},{"id":"seg_98719_136","meeting_id":"98719","media_asset_id":"med_98719_69e35d5dc574a0f3","agenda_item_id":null,"speaker_id":"spk_98719_aj_roman","speaker_confidence":0.9,"start_sec":2470.02,"end_sec":2473.87,"text":"That is part of That is absolutely one big part of the plan to to repair that issue, for sure. Yeah.","topics_json":"[]","vector_id":"vec_seg_98719_136","created_at":"2026-10-31T06:21:40Z","speaker_name":"AJ Roman"},{"id":"seg_98719_137","meeting_id":"98719","media_asset_id":"med_98719_69e35d5dc574a0f3","agenda_item_id":null,"speaker_id":"off_gerald_l_rocha_sr","speaker_confidence":0.95,"start_sec":2473.87,"end_sec":2486.9,"text":"The other thing, I know that Mr. Simmons mentioned, you know, using our social media platforms. In your opinion, is there necessarily a a a need to broadcast through Comcast or Xfinity anymore?","topics_json":"[]","vector_id":"vec_seg_98719_137","created_at":"2026-10-31T06:21:40Z","speaker_name":"Gerald L. Rocha, Sr."},{"id":"seg_98719_138","meeting_id":"98719","media_asset_id":"med_98719_69e35d5dc574a0f3","agenda_item_id":null,"speaker_id":"spk_98719_aj_roman","speaker_confidence":0.9,"start_sec":2486.9,"end_sec":2488.15,"text":"That's a good question for you, sir.","topics_json":"[]","vector_id":"vec_seg_98719_138","created_at":"2026-10-31T06:21:40Z","speaker_name":"AJ Roman"},{"id":"seg_98719_139","meeting_id":"98719","media_asset_id":"med_98719_69e35d5dc574a0f3","agenda_item_id":null,"speaker_id":"spk_98719_joe_simmons","speaker_confidence":0.9,"start_sec":2488.15,"end_sec":2538.35,"text":"Well, you know, that's something that Council have to decide on what platforms they want to utilize. Obviously, there's the agreement with Comcast. I believe the KSAS is worked that agreement as far as there's a public dollars associated with that, the Comcast part. But obviously, the more video streams you stream out, whether it's, like you're saying, whether it's YouTube or, you know, Instagram, whatever, I think the better. And to have those capabilities. Like you said, we maybe don't have to do it, but to have the capability to do social media streaming, I think it's very, very huge, important going into the future.","topics_json":"[]","vector_id":"vec_seg_98719_139","created_at":"2026-10-31T06:21:40Z","speaker_name":"Joe Simmons"},{"id":"seg_98719_14","meeting_id":"98719","media_asset_id":"med_98719_69e35d5dc574a0f3","agenda_item_id":null,"speaker_id":"spk_98719_linda_parkowski","speaker_confidence":0.9,"start_sec":126.96,"end_sec":151.78,"text":"Uh, thank you, everyone, for allowing me to be here today. I appreciate the offer from um Councilperson Anderson. He, I think, saw me at the um Chamber Economic Development uh forecast and said, \"Can you give a condensed version?\" So I'm going to talk really fast because he told me I had to condense it. And um, if you can go to the next slide, please.","topics_json":"[\"business\"]","vector_id":"vec_seg_98719_14","created_at":"2026-10-31T06:21:40Z","speaker_name":"Linda Parkowski"},{"id":"seg_98719_140","meeting_id":"98719","media_asset_id":"med_98719_69e35d5dc574a0f3","agenda_item_id":null,"speaker_id":"off_fred_a_neil","speaker_confidence":0.95,"start_sec":2538.35,"end_sec":2539.74,"text":"Yes, go ahead.","topics_json":"[]","vector_id":"vec_seg_98719_140","created_at":"2026-10-31T06:21:40Z","speaker_name":"Fred A. Neil"},{"id":"seg_98719_141","meeting_id":"98719","media_asset_id":"med_98719_69e35d5dc574a0f3","agenda_item_id":null,"speaker_id":"spk_98719_ariel","speaker_confidence":0.9,"start_sec":2539.74,"end_sec":2556.14,"text":"The TelVue system that we currently have, they run our encoder and decoder and the broadcasting itself. TelVue, actually in a conversation with me going over one of their system improvements, they have started to incorporate ADA compliance with subtitling, and then they also have the capability of taking our nightly recording and pushing it to a YouTube channel for us. It's just a matter of having it implemented at some point.","topics_json":"[]","vector_id":"vec_seg_98719_141","created_at":"2026-10-31T06:21:40Z","speaker_name":"Ariel"},{"id":"seg_98719_142","meeting_id":"98719","media_asset_id":"med_98719_69e35d5dc574a0f3","agenda_item_id":null,"speaker_id":"off_gerald_l_rocha_sr","speaker_confidence":0.95,"start_sec":2556.14,"end_sec":2562.58,"text":"Okay. So does this Is Is there any way of getting around buying a a new bridge to do it, or do we have to still have the broadcast capability?","topics_json":"[]","vector_id":"vec_seg_98719_142","created_at":"2026-10-31T06:21:40Z","speaker_name":"Gerald L. Rocha, Sr."},{"id":"seg_98719_143","meeting_id":"98719","media_asset_id":"med_98719_69e35d5dc574a0f3","agenda_item_id":null,"speaker_id":"spk_98719_ariel","speaker_confidence":0.9,"start_sec":2562.58,"end_sec":2606.87,"text":"Well, actually, our encoder and decoder have failed. That is one of our main issues with pushing out our videos right now and why they're not live live broadcasting. Kay and I and Andrea have been in contact with the TelVue Solutions, and we're It's actually covered at no charge to us. So that is our next step is when these guys come in, that would be our next upgrade. And they do provide us technical support over the phone. So we often troubleshoot with them for that portion of it.","topics_json":"[]","vector_id":"vec_seg_98719_143","created_at":"2026-10-31T06:21:40Z","speaker_name":"Ariel"},{"id":"seg_98719_144","meeting_id":"98719","media_asset_id":"med_98719_69e35d5dc574a0f3","agenda_item_id":null,"speaker_id":"off_gerald_l_rocha_sr","speaker_confidence":0.95,"start_sec":2606.87,"end_sec":2610.52,"text":"Okay. So that So we has to We has to still broadcast on television, is what you're saying?","topics_json":"[]","vector_id":"vec_seg_98719_144","created_at":"2026-10-31T06:21:40Z","speaker_name":"Gerald L. Rocha, Sr."},{"id":"seg_98719_145","meeting_id":"98719","media_asset_id":"med_98719_69e35d5dc574a0f3","agenda_item_id":null,"speaker_id":"spk_98719_ariel","speaker_confidence":0.9,"start_sec":2610.52,"end_sec":2614.37,"text":"It's a benefit to us. Like Joe said, we do collect funds from it. So.","topics_json":"[\"budget\"]","vector_id":"vec_seg_98719_145","created_at":"2026-10-31T06:21:40Z","speaker_name":"Ariel"},{"id":"seg_98719_146","meeting_id":"98719","media_asset_id":"med_98719_69e35d5dc574a0f3","agenda_item_id":null,"speaker_id":"off_gerald_l_rocha_sr","speaker_confidence":0.95,"start_sec":2614.37,"end_sec":2618.12,"text":"Okay. Okay. That I I'm satisfied with that. Yeah, I yield at this time. Thank you.","topics_json":"[]","vector_id":"vec_seg_98719_146","created_at":"2026-10-31T06:21:40Z","speaker_name":"Gerald L. Rocha, Sr."},{"id":"seg_98719_147","meeting_id":"98719","media_asset_id":"med_98719_69e35d5dc574a0f3","agenda_item_id":null,"speaker_id":"off_fred_a_neil","speaker_confidence":0.95,"start_sec":2618.12,"end_sec":2619.42,"text":"Dr. Sudler.","topics_json":"[]","vector_id":"vec_seg_98719_147","created_at":"2026-10-31T06:21:40Z","speaker_name":"Fred A. Neil"},{"id":"seg_98719_148","meeting_id":"98719","media_asset_id":"med_98719_69e35d5dc574a0f3","agenda_item_id":null,"speaker_id":"off_roy_sudler_jr","speaker_confidence":0.95,"start_sec":2619.42,"end_sec":2654.23,"text":"Thank you, Council President, for recognizing me. I'm thinking about two things. One, we're definitely outgrowing this chamber, so would the equipment be able to be transferred somewhere else? Would it be complex, or or talk to that matter?","topics_json":"[]","vector_id":"vec_seg_98719_148","created_at":"2026-10-31T06:21:40Z","speaker_name":"Roy Sudler, Jr."},{"id":"seg_98719_149","meeting_id":"98719","media_asset_id":"med_98719_69e35d5dc574a0f3","agenda_item_id":null,"speaker_id":"spk_98719_aj_roman","speaker_confidence":0.9,"start_sec":2654.23,"end_sec":2711.98,"text":"Yes. The equipment will a lot of it will definitely be able to migrated into the new location. Now, there are some pieces that are part of the infrastructure here that has to stay just because they're, one, we don't want to replace the speakers right away. Those speakers will probably just stay behind because at that point they will they will be outdated if not now. They still sound fine. A lot of the equipment that'll be in that AV rack that's sitting behind the wall there, those will be able to migrate. Again, if if it's 5 years from now, we may think about potentially upgrading a couple pieces just because it's kind of technology lifespan is about 5 to 6 years. 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Next slide.","topics_json":"[\"business\"]","vector_id":"vec_seg_98719_15","created_at":"2026-10-31T06:21:40Z","speaker_name":"Linda Parkowski"},{"id":"seg_98719_150","meeting_id":"98719","media_asset_id":"med_98719_69e35d5dc574a0f3","agenda_item_id":null,"speaker_id":"spk_98719_joe","speaker_confidence":0.85,"start_sec":2711.98,"end_sec":2720.14,"text":"um probably more closer to like eight or nine years of lifespan. Um so yeah we will be able to migrate those over.","topics_json":"[]","vector_id":"vec_seg_98719_150","created_at":"2026-10-31T06:21:40Z","speaker_name":"Joe"},{"id":"seg_98719_151","meeting_id":"98719","media_asset_id":"med_98719_69e35d5dc574a0f3","agenda_item_id":null,"speaker_id":"off_roy_sudler_jr","speaker_confidence":0.95,"start_sec":2720.14,"end_sec":2784.86,"text":"My main concern with keeping the equipment that we currently have or trying to use bits and pieces to save a couple dollars is that eventually those bits and pieces are going to be outdated, too, and then we're right back to square one. So in my view, we definitely need a a a number on replacing everything. Also need uh a number of what a projection would be if we were to go with a system that is trending within the next five years, because we've seen where we've gone with a system and then by the time we got to implement it, uh it's not really compatible with with what's going on today. So I'm concerned about that. And my main concern is the number. Um so I'm sort of I'm sort of um interested to hear what are you looking for us to approve tonight? Just for you to do an assessment and we pay you for the assessment, or you looking Because without a breakdown as to what we're going to be paying for, I can't approve anything.","topics_json":"[\"budget\"]","vector_id":"vec_seg_98719_151","created_at":"2026-10-31T06:21:40Z","speaker_name":"Roy Sudler, Jr."},{"id":"seg_98719_152","meeting_id":"98719","media_asset_id":"med_98719_69e35d5dc574a0f3","agenda_item_id":null,"speaker_id":"spk_98719_joe","speaker_confidence":0.9,"start_sec":2784.86,"end_sec":2899.95,"text":"Uh you know the purpose of presenting tonight was, you know, to really get the ball rolling. Obviously, it has to be a RFP process. We're not at the point where um we can pinpoint the numbers down because we wanted to come before you and get your direction. Because like you said, we can take it, replace everything, obviously it's going to be a bigger number. We can try to use uh, you know, use uh, like AJ said, the things that we can use like the microphones. These Shure microphones are very, very high quality microphones, and they do a real good job. So you don't have to replace those things. And any any additional functionality we might want to look into. One thing I'm big on, I would like to see personally is that whatever system that we go to upgrade, it's easier on staff to monitor and manage these meetings, because it's hard on them to do their jobs and plus coming here and trying to mess with the system, trying to get it to work. Um it's complicated, so a system that can be easy on the staff and plus provide the city with obviously, you know, first class, you know, AV service, not only for people that come to the meeting physically, but also those remote users that watch it either on TV or can watch it on, you know, like I said, potentially social media. So that that's the key goals. So we wanted to come here tonight and, you know, one, get your direction, one, as you know, it's budget season and that time is going on, so we have time to go ahead and, you know, start talking about it and bring it to your attention. So when the numbers do come up, we can have we can have option, you know, A, B, or C as far as the budget and the number system. But we want to coming to you first and show you that, you know, how critical this is. It's a very important and also get it kind of like, you know, bumped up on the radar. Because like I said, we're very, very long in the tooth on on these these systems, they're very, very old and they can fail any day, and we have no maintenance plan, and um a lot of the equipment we have, we can't even go out and purchase it.","topics_json":"[\"budget\"]","vector_id":"vec_seg_98719_152","created_at":"2026-10-31T06:21:40Z","speaker_name":"Joe"},{"id":"seg_98719_153","meeting_id":"98719","media_asset_id":"med_98719_69e35d5dc574a0f3","agenda_item_id":null,"speaker_id":"off_roy_sudler_jr","speaker_confidence":0.95,"start_sec":2899.95,"end_sec":3040.07,"text":"Thank you. With the so in in my mind set, um and like you mentioned, we have budget hearing coming up soon, right? So and and so we're dealing with some complex issues when it's coming to balancing the budget and making the tough decisions on what we may have to cut out and and what we may have to how we're going to appropriate funds, restricted or unrestricted funds. Um so I definitely me personally, I would definitely need to see the worst case scenario, a maintenance plan, and then, you know, replacing everything, and then and just replacing as needed. And then also I would recommend a a projected estimate time frame of when you think something may crash just to give us a heads up so that we may be able to plan appropriately uh to make the financial appropriation. Say, hey, they said that this thing may not last, but maybe another year and a half realistically. So if it crashes, we knew and we can say, hey, let's start pulling from this budget um appropriation over here just in case it doesn't. And then you see what I'm saying? So we're trying to be better stewards uh than what we are now uh in in this budget process. Uh so learning process for all of us, and I've been on council for a while and I'm still learning, so, you know, just trying to do our due diligence. And timing in my view is everything. Um so I appreciate the fact that you're bringing this to us before we're actually in the budget hearing and we're hearing this in the budget hearing and we're saying, well why didn't you tell us prior to? So great work. Um I just in order for me to, you know, I don't know what I'm looking at other than what I already know, things are failing. I've been on I've been in the city 22 years, committees, so I've been seeing deterioration of of different equipment, and I understand. I get it. We want the best quality so for our constituents as in the best bang for their buck. But timing is everything, gentlemen, especially when it comes to the budget. If we, you know, right now our constituents are stretched. If we go get a system of a million dollars, and then they're like, you know, and then we have over here we got the you know, raise taxes, we just have to balance things out. So I appreciate you um helping us to do that by bringing this presentation tonight, and I yield.","topics_json":"[\"budget\",\"taxes\"]","vector_id":"vec_seg_98719_153","created_at":"2026-10-31T06:21:40Z","speaker_name":"Roy Sudler, Jr."},{"id":"seg_98719_154","meeting_id":"98719","media_asset_id":"med_98719_69e35d5dc574a0f3","agenda_item_id":null,"speaker_id":"off_fred_a_neil","speaker_confidence":0.95,"start_sec":3040.07,"end_sec":3042.1,"text":"Councilman Rocha.","topics_json":"[]","vector_id":"vec_seg_98719_154","created_at":"2026-10-31T06:21:40Z","speaker_name":"Fred A. Neil"},{"id":"seg_98719_155","meeting_id":"98719","media_asset_id":"med_98719_69e35d5dc574a0f3","agenda_item_id":null,"speaker_id":"off_gerald_l_rocha_sr","speaker_confidence":0.95,"start_sec":3042.1,"end_sec":3093.54,"text":"Thank you. Um so yeah, I know I've been on I concur with what you're saying, Dr. Sudler, but I do I do want to see it at least in front of us during the budget hearings and see what we can do to work it in, because, you know, I've been crying about this for like the last six almost six years. So we have to do it, and if we would have did it six years ago, we probably would have saved $100,000. So now is the time cuz things aren't getting any cheaper, so I think we just have to, you know, get get it put in front of us. Uh I would recommend uh Mr. Simmons add it to his budget or put it on our budget or whatever budget it goes under, and then if we delete, remove, delete, we just have it in front of us to to make that decision. Uh and with that, I yield.","topics_json":"[\"budget\"]","vector_id":"vec_seg_98719_155","created_at":"2026-10-31T06:21:40Z","speaker_name":"Gerald L. Rocha, Sr."},{"id":"seg_98719_156","meeting_id":"98719","media_asset_id":"med_98719_69e35d5dc574a0f3","agenda_item_id":null,"speaker_id":"off_fred_a_neil","speaker_confidence":0.95,"start_sec":3093.54,"end_sec":3095.87,"text":"Councilman uh Boggerty.","topics_json":"[]","vector_id":"vec_seg_98719_156","created_at":"2026-10-31T06:21:40Z","speaker_name":"Fred A. Neil"},{"id":"seg_98719_157","meeting_id":"98719","media_asset_id":"med_98719_69e35d5dc574a0f3","agenda_item_id":null,"speaker_id":"off_andre_m_boggerty","speaker_confidence":0.95,"start_sec":3095.87,"end_sec":3114.11,"text":"Thank you, Council President, for recognizing me. Um do you all have a leasing opportunity where leasing the equipment will allow us to stay current, and the kind of ball is in your court to upkeep? And","topics_json":"[\"budget\"]","vector_id":"vec_seg_98719_157","created_at":"2026-10-31T06:21:40Z","speaker_name":"Andre M. Boggerty"},{"id":"seg_98719_158","meeting_id":"98719","media_asset_id":"med_98719_69e35d5dc574a0f3","agenda_item_id":null,"speaker_id":"spk_98719_joe","speaker_confidence":0.9,"start_sec":3114.11,"end_sec":3129.46,"text":"Yes, absolutely. We do have a leasing uh option. Um so when I send you emails, at the very bottom, I have a link there for it um to to take a look and forward if you need to, and I can send information on that as well for you.","topics_json":"[\"budget\"]","vector_id":"vec_seg_98719_158","created_at":"2026-10-31T06:21:40Z","speaker_name":"Joe"},{"id":"seg_98719_159","meeting_id":"98719","media_asset_id":"med_98719_69e35d5dc574a0f3","agenda_item_id":null,"speaker_id":"off_andre_m_boggerty","speaker_confidence":0.95,"start_sec":3129.46,"end_sec":3154.25,"text":"Okay. So I will ask while while doing that if you can do um um if you're doing that, that you can send pros and cons about leasing verse outright purchasing. And I know you said earlier there'd be an RFP to go out to some degree, but um but you had to get someone to make an initial assessment. So I yield. Thank you.","topics_json":"[\"budget\"]","vector_id":"vec_seg_98719_159","created_at":"2026-10-31T06:21:40Z","speaker_name":"Andre M. Boggerty"},{"id":"seg_98719_16","meeting_id":"98719","media_asset_id":"med_98719_69e35d5dc574a0f3","agenda_item_id":null,"speaker_id":"spk_98719_linda_parkowski","speaker_confidence":0.9,"start_sec":220.73,"end_sec":234.34,"text":"Uh, in the next 10 years, our population is expected to grow by 24,000. So and of that 24,000, 62% is going to be over the 65+ demographic. Next slide.","topics_json":"[\"business\"]","vector_id":"vec_seg_98719_16","created_at":"2026-10-31T06:21:40Z","speaker_name":"Linda Parkowski"},{"id":"seg_98719_160","meeting_id":"98719","media_asset_id":"med_98719_69e35d5dc574a0f3","agenda_item_id":null,"speaker_id":"off_fred_a_neil","speaker_confidence":0.95,"start_sec":3154.25,"end_sec":3260.14,"text":"Any other questions? Gentlemen, uh just a comment. I'm from the area era of cat's whisker radios, $0.05 in a in a in a mill a a telephone box to call home, to the point where I can now do this. Honey, I'm at work. How's the picture? A little fuzzy. Well, this changes very rapidly. Uh things that you never thought would happen have happened. It has become essential for us because the dissemination of the information or what we have have gone from four uh uh networks to podcast that anybody can do. And in order to get this out and in order to to do exactly what you have presented to us, Joe, is extremely important because that's the way we we have to communicate. A lot of our people just don't even hear us, don't understand. They can go online and see when their their trash is going to be picked up during the snow, couldn't miss it, but they don't do it. So anything that we can to get the word out to help us to do this, we it's something that it becomes essential for us to be a first class uh capital city. And so we look forward to having what you have, but and presenting it, so we don't have to do anything tonight. We look forward to see what comes up with the budget and what you're recommending. And thank you very much for coming.","topics_json":"[\"budget\"]","vector_id":"vec_seg_98719_160","created_at":"2026-10-31T06:21:40Z","speaker_name":"Fred A. Neil"},{"id":"seg_98719_161","meeting_id":"98719","media_asset_id":"med_98719_69e35d5dc574a0f3","agenda_item_id":null,"speaker_id":"spk_98719_joe","speaker_confidence":0.9,"start_sec":3260.14,"end_sec":3263.46,"text":"Thank you for having us.","topics_json":"[]","vector_id":"vec_seg_98719_161","created_at":"2026-10-31T06:21:40Z","speaker_name":"Joe"},{"id":"seg_98719_162","meeting_id":"98719","media_asset_id":"med_98719_69e35d5dc574a0f3","agenda_item_id":null,"speaker_id":"off_fred_a_neil","speaker_confidence":0.95,"start_sec":3267.21,"end_sec":3276.98,"text":"Now, I recognize Chairman Andre Boggerty to conduct the business of the Safety Advisory and Transportation Committee. The floor is yours, sir.","topics_json":"[]","vector_id":"vec_seg_98719_162","created_at":"2026-10-31T06:21:40Z","speaker_name":"Fred A. Neil"},{"id":"seg_98719_163","meeting_id":"98719","media_asset_id":"med_98719_69e35d5dc574a0f3","agenda_item_id":null,"speaker_id":"off_andre_m_boggerty","speaker_confidence":0.95,"start_sec":3276.98,"end_sec":3281.71,"text":"Thank you. Um I call for the adoption of the agenda.","topics_json":"[]","vector_id":"vec_seg_98719_163","created_at":"2026-10-31T06:21:40Z","speaker_name":"Andre M. Boggerty"},{"id":"seg_98719_164","meeting_id":"98719","media_asset_id":"med_98719_69e35d5dc574a0f3","agenda_item_id":null,"speaker_id":"off_david_l_anderson","speaker_confidence":0.85,"start_sec":3281.71,"end_sec":3286.43,"text":"Move for the adoption of the Safety Advisory and Transportation Committee agenda.","topics_json":"[]","vector_id":"vec_seg_98719_164","created_at":"2026-10-31T06:21:40Z","speaker_name":"David L. Anderson"},{"id":"seg_98719_165","meeting_id":"98719","media_asset_id":"med_98719_69e35d5dc574a0f3","agenda_item_id":null,"speaker_id":"off_julia_m_pillsbury","speaker_confidence":0.95,"start_sec":3286.43,"end_sec":3287.74,"text":"Pillsbury seconds.","topics_json":"[]","vector_id":"vec_seg_98719_165","created_at":"2026-10-31T06:21:40Z","speaker_name":"Julia M. Pillsbury"},{"id":"seg_98719_166","meeting_id":"98719","media_asset_id":"med_98719_69e35d5dc574a0f3","agenda_item_id":null,"speaker_id":"off_andre_m_boggerty","speaker_confidence":0.95,"start_sec":3287.74,"end_sec":3295.45,"text":"It's been properly moved and seconded. Are you ready for the question? All those in favor signify by saying aye. [Aye.] By consent, the motion carries.","topics_json":"[]","vector_id":"vec_seg_98719_166","created_at":"2026-10-31T06:21:40Z","speaker_name":"Andre M. Boggerty"},{"id":"seg_98719_167","meeting_id":"98719","media_asset_id":"med_98719_69e35d5dc574a0f3","agenda_item_id":null,"speaker_id":"off_andre_m_boggerty","speaker_confidence":0.95,"start_sec":3295.45,"end_sec":3342.91,"text":"One item um um we have one one item on the agenda. It's Request for Waiver, Appendix A- Subdivisions, Article 6, Subdivision General Requirements and Design Standards, Section E, Lots, Item 5, Site Development Master Plan for DuPont Plaza Master Plan. Waiver to allow creation of lots without public street frontage with the associated subdivision plan to subdivide the the proposed shopping center in multiple lots. I call for our our principal planner, Dawn Melson-Williams, and the owner is here as well if they will be joining you.","topics_json":"[\"zoning\",\"business\"]","vector_id":"vec_seg_98719_167","created_at":"2026-10-31T06:21:40Z","speaker_name":"Andre M. Boggerty"},{"id":"seg_98719_168","meeting_id":"98719","media_asset_id":"med_98719_69e35d5dc574a0f3","agenda_item_id":null,"speaker_id":"spk_98719_dawn_melson_williams","speaker_confidence":0.95,"start_sec":3342.91,"end_sec":3415.86,"text":"Uh Dawn Melson-Williams, principal planner with the City's Planning Office. Um so this is a um subdivision waiver. Uh as part of the Dover Code of Ordinances, Appendix A are the subdivision regulations um for the city. Uh with this property uh DuPont Plaza, it's address is 747 North DuPont Highway. Um it was a site development um plan master plan uh review by the planning commission under application number uh S-26-04.","topics_json":"[\"zoning\"]","vector_id":"vec_seg_98719_168","created_at":"2026-10-31T06:21:40Z","speaker_name":"Dawn Melson-Williams"},{"id":"seg_98719_169","meeting_id":"98719","media_asset_id":"med_98719_69e35d5dc574a0f3","agenda_item_id":null,"speaker_id":"spk_98719_dawn_melson_williams","speaker_confidence":0.95,"start_sec":3615.97,"end_sec":3640.27,"text":"Planning Commission's um recommendation along with what is their um review report, what they were um reviewed, the specific request letter from the applicant, uh some of the Development Advisory Committee comments from regulatory agencies, and also the excerpt from the Planning Commission meeting minutes. Um with that, uh be happy to answer any questions.","topics_json":"[\"zoning\"]","vector_id":"vec_seg_98719_169","created_at":"2026-10-31T06:21:40Z","speaker_name":"Dawn Melson-Williams"},{"id":"seg_98719_17","meeting_id":"98719","media_asset_id":"med_98719_69e35d5dc574a0f3","agenda_item_id":null,"speaker_id":"spk_98719_linda_parkowski","speaker_confidence":0.9,"start_sec":236.4,"end_sec":253.94,"text":"So are we positioned for the next wave of economic growth? And that workforce age group concerns me and should concern everyone. Are we attracting the age group that we need? Next slide.","topics_json":"[\"business\"]","vector_id":"vec_seg_98719_17","created_at":"2026-10-31T06:21:40Z","speaker_name":"Linda Parkowski"},{"id":"seg_98719_170","meeting_id":"98719","media_asset_id":"med_98719_69e35d5dc574a0f3","agenda_item_id":null,"speaker_id":"off_andre_m_boggerty","speaker_confidence":0.95,"start_sec":3640.27,"end_sec":3663.67,"text":"Thank you. I have a couple questions. Um initially, um are there any safety concerns with this, such as entry for fire, police, etc., emergency, ambulance? Are there any safety concerns with with the with the current","topics_json":"[\"public_safety\",\"zoning\"]","vector_id":"vec_seg_98719_170","created_at":"2026-10-31T06:21:40Z","speaker_name":"Andre M. Boggerty"},{"id":"seg_98719_171","meeting_id":"98719","media_asset_id":"med_98719_69e35d5dc574a0f3","agenda_item_id":null,"speaker_id":"spk_98719_dawn_melson_williams","speaker_confidence":0.95,"start_sec":3663.67,"end_sec":3735.77,"text":"Uh if this is Dawn with the Planning office. Uh if you think about it, the subdivision of land is what I call the invisible line plan. Um on the physical site, you would never know where these lines are. Uh the development that includes the uh drive aisles for access, fire lanes, parking, all of that would exist on the on the physical property. Um and a person visiting that site or an emergency response to that site wouldn't necessarily know where the park where the property lines are.","topics_json":"[\"public_safety\",\"zoning\"]","vector_id":"vec_seg_98719_171","created_at":"2026-10-31T06:21:40Z","speaker_name":"Dawn Melson-Williams"},{"id":"seg_98719_172","meeting_id":"98719","media_asset_id":"med_98719_69e35d5dc574a0f3","agenda_item_id":null,"speaker_id":"spk_98719_dawn_melson_williams","speaker_confidence":0.95,"start_sec":3736.27,"end_sec":3760.17,"text":"So, in in my thought, there would not be any safety concerns. The entrance that goes to Leipsic Road is actually already there. Uh it was constructed as part of the adjacent property project at The Edge Apartments that is um ongoing. There are actually already linkages between these two sites that are required by both of the plans.","topics_json":"[\"public_safety\",\"zoning\"]","vector_id":"vec_seg_98719_172","created_at":"2026-10-31T06:21:40Z","speaker_name":"Dawn Melson-Williams"},{"id":"seg_98719_173","meeting_id":"98719","media_asset_id":"med_98719_69e35d5dc574a0f3","agenda_item_id":null,"speaker_id":"off_andre_m_boggerty","speaker_confidence":0.95,"start_sec":3760.17,"end_sec":3766.37,"text":"Okay, that was all the only question I had. Any other questions? Uh Councilman Dr. Sudler.","topics_json":"[\"zoning\"]","vector_id":"vec_seg_98719_173","created_at":"2026-10-31T06:21:40Z","speaker_name":"Andre M. Boggerty"},{"id":"seg_98719_174","meeting_id":"98719","media_asset_id":"med_98719_69e35d5dc574a0f3","agenda_item_id":null,"speaker_id":"off_roy_sudler_jr","speaker_confidence":0.95,"start_sec":3766.37,"end_sec":3820.57,"text":"Thank you, Chairman Boggerty, for recognizing me. Um, Ms. Williams, is this is this location um in a strict environment overlay?","topics_json":"[\"zoning\"]","vector_id":"vec_seg_98719_174","created_at":"2026-10-31T06:21:40Z","speaker_name":"Roy Sudler, Jr."},{"id":"seg_98719_175","meeting_id":"98719","media_asset_id":"med_98719_69e35d5dc574a0f3","agenda_item_id":null,"speaker_id":"spk_98719_dawn_melson_williams","speaker_confidence":0.95,"start_sec":3820.57,"end_sec":3852.37,"text":"Um so this property is within a source water protection overlay zone, which is the In this case, the Tier 3 excellent recharge area. Uh that has some limitations on the types of uses that can be placed there, as well as um provisions related to level of impervious surface, how much can be paved hard surface. Um they are working through compliance with um those provisions of our zoning ordinance.","topics_json":"[\"zoning\"]","vector_id":"vec_seg_98719_175","created_at":"2026-10-31T06:21:40Z","speaker_name":"Dawn Melson-Williams"},{"id":"seg_98719_176","meeting_id":"98719","media_asset_id":"med_98719_69e35d5dc574a0f3","agenda_item_id":null,"speaker_id":"off_roy_sudler_jr","speaker_confidence":0.95,"start_sec":3852.37,"end_sec":3871.37,"text":"Uh thank you. Um, are we Well, to my research and understanding, um it appears that we rarely waive uh these kinds of of requests. And would this impact our local groundwater?","topics_json":"[\"zoning\"]","vector_id":"vec_seg_98719_176","created_at":"2026-10-31T06:21:40Z","speaker_name":"Roy Sudler, Jr."},{"id":"seg_98719_177","meeting_id":"98719","media_asset_id":"med_98719_69e35d5dc574a0f3","agenda_item_id":null,"speaker_id":"spk_98719_dawn_melson_williams","speaker_confidence":0.95,"start_sec":3871.37,"end_sec":3945.07,"text":"Uh so the request that is before the committee tonight is a subdivision waiver that just would change the shape of the properties themselves. It does not affect how the properties are developed, and the provisions related to um water recharge, storm water management, all of those are other regulations that would be unaffected by this request for a subdivision waiver about what the shape of the property lines are.","topics_json":"[\"zoning\"]","vector_id":"vec_seg_98719_177","created_at":"2026-10-31T06:21:40Z","speaker_name":"Dawn Melson-Williams"},{"id":"seg_98719_178","meeting_id":"98719","media_asset_id":"med_98719_69e35d5dc574a0f3","agenda_item_id":null,"speaker_id":"off_roy_sudler_jr","speaker_confidence":0.95,"start_sec":3945.07,"end_sec":3959.37,"text":"Okay. Thank you. So, in other words, the strict environment overlay and the source water protection overlay zone has no bearing on the what we're talking about tonight or requesting tonight for the subdivision waiver, correct?","topics_json":"[\"zoning\"]","vector_id":"vec_seg_98719_178","created_at":"2026-10-31T06:21:40Z","speaker_name":"Roy Sudler, Jr."},{"id":"seg_98719_179","meeting_id":"98719","media_asset_id":"med_98719_69e35d5dc574a0f3","agenda_item_id":null,"speaker_id":"spk_98719_dawn_melson_williams","speaker_confidence":0.95,"start_sec":3959.37,"end_sec":3970.27,"text":"Correct. The um source water protection overlay zone does not have um requirements for minimum lot size or anything along those lines that would affect how you strike property lines.","topics_json":"[\"zoning\"]","vector_id":"vec_seg_98719_179","created_at":"2026-10-31T06:21:40Z","speaker_name":"Dawn Melson-Williams"},{"id":"seg_98719_18","meeting_id":"98719","media_asset_id":"med_98719_69e35d5dc574a0f3","agenda_item_id":null,"speaker_id":"spk_98719_linda_parkowski","speaker_confidence":0.9,"start_sec":256.45,"end_sec":341.22,"text":"So one of the things that we're looking at and one of the things that, you know, even your town manager will tell you is that the inquiries that we're getting at this time for industrial uh uses, um there is large utility demands. And we today in Delaware do not have the capacity to even submit bids for some of these types of industries, for instance, pharma, food processing. We do not have the electric ca- Not even thinking about a data center, but we don't have the capacity right now in order to bid on some of those things in Kent County.","topics_json":"[\"business\",\"zoning\"]","vector_id":"vec_seg_98719_18","created_at":"2026-10-31T06:21:40Z","speaker_name":"Linda Parkowski"},{"id":"seg_98719_180","meeting_id":"98719","media_asset_id":"med_98719_69e35d5dc574a0f3","agenda_item_id":null,"speaker_id":"off_roy_sudler_jr","speaker_confidence":0.95,"start_sec":3970.27,"end_sec":3973.67,"text":"Thank you. That's been very helpful. I yield.","topics_json":"[\"zoning\"]","vector_id":"vec_seg_98719_180","created_at":"2026-10-31T06:21:40Z","speaker_name":"Roy Sudler, Jr."},{"id":"seg_98719_181","meeting_id":"98719","media_asset_id":"med_98719_69e35d5dc574a0f3","agenda_item_id":null,"speaker_id":"off_andre_m_boggerty","speaker_confidence":0.95,"start_sec":3973.67,"end_sec":4017.67,"text":"Thank you. The chair recognizes Councilman uh Rocha.","topics_json":"[\"zoning\"]","vector_id":"vec_seg_98719_181","created_at":"2026-10-31T06:21:40Z","speaker_name":"Andre M. Boggerty"},{"id":"seg_98719_182","meeting_id":"98719","media_asset_id":"med_98719_69e35d5dc574a0f3","agenda_item_id":null,"speaker_id":"off_gerald_l_rocha_sr","speaker_confidence":0.95,"start_sec":4017.67,"end_sec":4045.27,"text":"Uh thank you, Mr. Chairman. Um, Ms. Williams, um I thought I understood what was going on, but after your last statement, I'm kind of lost. So you're asking us to to do something with the property lines versus the frontage of the um potential building construction, or could you explain it one one more time so for my understanding?","topics_json":"[\"zoning\"]","vector_id":"vec_seg_98719_182","created_at":"2026-10-31T06:21:40Z","speaker_name":"Gerald L. Rocha, Sr."},{"id":"seg_98719_183","meeting_id":"98719","media_asset_id":"med_98719_69e35d5dc574a0f3","agenda_item_id":null,"speaker_id":"spk_98719_dawn_melson_williams","speaker_confidence":0.95,"start_sec":4045.27,"end_sec":4054.97,"text":"Um so we have one tract of land and they wish to divide that tract of land into three parcels, three lots.","topics_json":"[\"zoning\"]","vector_id":"vec_seg_98719_183","created_at":"2026-10-31T06:21:40Z","speaker_name":"Dawn Melson-Williams"},{"id":"seg_98719_184","meeting_id":"98719","media_asset_id":"med_98719_69e35d5dc574a0f3","agenda_item_id":null,"speaker_id":"off_gerald_l_rocha_sr","speaker_confidence":0.95,"start_sec":4053.67,"end_sec":4055.77,"text":"Understood. Right.","topics_json":"[\"zoning\"]","vector_id":"vec_seg_98719_184","created_at":"2026-10-31T06:21:40Z","speaker_name":"Gerald L. Rocha, Sr."},{"id":"seg_98719_185","meeting_id":"98719","media_asset_id":"med_98719_69e35d5dc574a0f3","agenda_item_id":null,"speaker_id":"spk_98719_dawn_melson_williams","speaker_confidence":0.95,"start_sec":4055.77,"end_sec":4064.87,"text":"Um our code would say that each of those lots needed to have frontage, meaning property along the roadway.","topics_json":"[\"zoning\"]","vector_id":"vec_seg_98719_185","created_at":"2026-10-31T06:21:40Z","speaker_name":"Dawn Melson-Williams"},{"id":"seg_98719_186","meeting_id":"98719","media_asset_id":"med_98719_69e35d5dc574a0f3","agenda_item_id":null,"speaker_id":"spk_98719_dawn_melson_williams","speaker_confidence":0.95,"start_sec":4065.57,"end_sec":4073.67,"text":"In this case, one of the parcels, lots that they want to create, has no frontage on a on a public street.","topics_json":"[\"zoning\"]","vector_id":"vec_seg_98719_186","created_at":"2026-10-31T06:21:40Z","speaker_name":"Dawn Melson-Williams"},{"id":"seg_98719_187","meeting_id":"98719","media_asset_id":"med_98719_69e35d5dc574a0f3","agenda_item_id":null,"speaker_id":"off_gerald_l_rocha_sr","speaker_confidence":0.95,"start_sec":4073.67,"end_sec":4075.17,"text":"Which is Gotcha.","topics_json":"[\"zoning\"]","vector_id":"vec_seg_98719_187","created_at":"2026-10-31T06:21:40Z","speaker_name":"Gerald L. Rocha, Sr."},{"id":"seg_98719_188","meeting_id":"98719","media_asset_id":"med_98719_69e35d5dc574a0f3","agenda_item_id":null,"speaker_id":"spk_98719_dawn_melson_williams","speaker_confidence":0.95,"start_sec":4075.17,"end_sec":4135.77,"text":"Uh which is the northernmost one with the biggest building sitting on it. Um there is a lot that has some frontage, but not the full requirement. Um and so that one is sort of there. And then the third one actually has frontage on the public road road.","topics_json":"[\"zoning\"]","vector_id":"vec_seg_98719_188","created_at":"2026-10-31T06:21:40Z","speaker_name":"Dawn Melson-Williams"},{"id":"seg_98719_189","meeting_id":"98719","media_asset_id":"med_98719_69e35d5dc574a0f3","agenda_item_id":null,"speaker_id":"off_gerald_l_rocha_sr","speaker_confidence":0.95,"start_sec":4136.27,"end_sec":4141.57,"text":"Okay. And that frontage doesn't necessarily have to be on DuPont Highway; it could be Leipsic Road, right?","topics_json":"[\"zoning\"]","vector_id":"vec_seg_98719_189","created_at":"2026-10-31T06:21:40Z","speaker_name":"Gerald L. Rocha, Sr."},{"id":"seg_98719_19","meeting_id":"98719","media_asset_id":"med_98719_69e35d5dc574a0f3","agenda_item_id":null,"speaker_id":"spk_98719_linda_parkowski","speaker_confidence":0.9,"start_sec":342.3,"end_sec":419.67,"text":"Um, there are a couple solutions. We could create, as a state, a utility readiness revolving loan fund, something similar to the Site Readiness Fund that, you know, would up-front the money to a utility to you know, get the capacity where we need it. And then as the users come on, that loan fund gets paid back. That's one idea that's used across the country. But that's an issue that we really need to be concerned about. People always say, \"Well, why don't you solicit this? Why don't you solicit that?\" Lots of times it comes down to utilities. Next slide.","topics_json":"[\"business\",\"budget\"]","vector_id":"vec_seg_98719_19","created_at":"2026-10-31T06:21:40Z","speaker_name":"Linda Parkowski"},{"id":"seg_98719_190","meeting_id":"98719","media_asset_id":"med_98719_69e35d5dc574a0f3","agenda_item_id":null,"speaker_id":"spk_98719_dawn_melson_williams","speaker_confidence":0.95,"start_sec":4141.57,"end_sec":4151.37,"text":"Uh so this property has The property we're starting with has some frontage on Leipsic Road and a larger frontage on DuPont Highway.","topics_json":"[\"zoning\"]","vector_id":"vec_seg_98719_190","created_at":"2026-10-31T06:21:40Z","speaker_name":"Dawn Melson-Williams"},{"id":"seg_98719_191","meeting_id":"98719","media_asset_id":"med_98719_69e35d5dc574a0f3","agenda_item_id":null,"speaker_id":"off_gerald_l_rocha_sr","speaker_confidence":0.95,"start_sec":4156.17,"end_sec":4165.87,"text":"And are there any examples along DuPont Highway that we've waived before?","topics_json":"[\"zoning\"]","vector_id":"vec_seg_98719_191","created_at":"2026-10-31T06:21:40Z","speaker_name":"Gerald L. Rocha, Sr."},{"id":"seg_98719_192","meeting_id":"98719","media_asset_id":"med_98719_69e35d5dc574a0f3","agenda_item_id":null,"speaker_id":"spk_98719_dawn_melson_williams","speaker_confidence":0.95,"start_sec":4166.77,"end_sec":4251.37,"text":"So, pro most The most significant one is probably with the Dover Mall. Um there are uh if you want to think of it the big boxes, they sit on their own parcels of land. They have no direct frontage on uh DuPont Highway. Uh there are two parcels that are behind the mall, behind the loop road. Those do not have frontage on DuPont Highway. There was a waiver granted in that case. We tend to see this a lot in shopping centers where they are choosing to subdivide the land rather than lease to a tenant, um based on how that tenant wishes to um acquire their property.","topics_json":"[\"zoning\",\"business\"]","vector_id":"vec_seg_98719_192","created_at":"2026-10-31T06:21:40Z","speaker_name":"Dawn Melson-Williams"},{"id":"seg_98719_193","meeting_id":"98719","media_asset_id":"med_98719_69e35d5dc574a0f3","agenda_item_id":null,"speaker_id":"off_gerald_l_rocha_sr","speaker_confidence":0.95,"start_sec":4251.37,"end_sec":4332.17,"text":"Yeah, I think uh I don't see an issue with it um other than Dr. Sudler had brought up, but um I think it's the fact that they're anticipating selling the property shows and if the property owner opens up a business and they own the property, I think that's a benefit to the commitment to the city to keep their business here. So, I I I think that uh we should be amenable to that. I I agree with uh giving them the waiver, so that's that's my view. I yield.","topics_json":"[\"zoning\",\"business\"]","vector_id":"vec_seg_98719_193","created_at":"2026-10-31T06:21:40Z","speaker_name":"Gerald L. Rocha, Sr."},{"id":"seg_98719_194","meeting_id":"98719","media_asset_id":"med_98719_69e35d5dc574a0f3","agenda_item_id":null,"speaker_id":"off_andre_m_boggerty","speaker_confidence":0.95,"start_sec":4332.37,"end_sec":4337.17,"text":"Thank you, Councilman Rocha. The chair recognizes Councilwoman Arndt.","topics_json":"[\"zoning\"]","vector_id":"vec_seg_98719_194","created_at":"2026-10-31T06:21:40Z","speaker_name":"Andre M. Boggerty"},{"id":"seg_98719_195","meeting_id":"98719","media_asset_id":"med_98719_69e35d5dc574a0f3","agenda_item_id":null,"speaker_id":"off_tricia_k_arndt","speaker_confidence":0.95,"start_sec":4337.17,"end_sec":4359.07,"text":"Thank you for recognizing me. I I agree with you, Councilman Rocha. Um I think being as flexible as possible is is a boon for redevelopment, so and I appreciate the number of eyes that have been on this application, um both from the state and then in the DAC and from the Planning Commission. So, with that, I'm um making a motion to accept the Planning Commission recommendation to approve the subdivision waiver.","topics_json":"[\"zoning\"]","vector_id":"vec_seg_98719_195","created_at":"2026-10-31T06:21:40Z","speaker_name":"Tricia K. Arndt"},{"id":"seg_98719_196","meeting_id":"98719","media_asset_id":"med_98719_69e35d5dc574a0f3","agenda_item_id":null,"speaker_id":"off_david_l_anderson","speaker_confidence":0.95,"start_sec":4359.07,"end_sec":4361.27,"text":"Second, Anderson.","topics_json":"[\"zoning\"]","vector_id":"vec_seg_98719_196","created_at":"2026-10-31T06:21:40Z","speaker_name":"David L. Anderson"},{"id":"seg_98719_197","meeting_id":"98719","media_asset_id":"med_98719_69e35d5dc574a0f3","agenda_item_id":null,"speaker_id":"off_andre_m_boggerty","speaker_confidence":0.95,"start_sec":4361.27,"end_sec":4367.37,"text":"It's been properly moved and seconded. Um are are there any questions? The chair recognizes Council President.","topics_json":"[\"zoning\"]","vector_id":"vec_seg_98719_197","created_at":"2026-10-31T06:21:40Z","speaker_name":"Andre M. Boggerty"},{"id":"seg_98719_198","meeting_id":"98719","media_asset_id":"med_98719_69e35d5dc574a0f3","agenda_item_id":null,"speaker_id":"off_fred_a_neil","speaker_confidence":0.95,"start_sec":4367.37,"end_sec":4452.77,"text":"Yes, I think a better to uh maybe a better description. Remember where where Tom Horton's, the Canadian outfit, just opened a place? There's a bank there, used to be Pizza Hut. You're right across the street from the complex for the speedway. That's Leipsic Road. This is where you're going to have, down the line, it's not a part of this of what we're talking about, two uh apartment house for 250 apartment units, and I don't know uh I don't remember how many townhouses are in another section of this lot. It used to be Berry Van Lines. If you were here, you may remember Berry Van Lines. That's there. My only concern about it, and again we need desperately need housing, is the fact that the MPO has turned down, this is a favorite subject of yours, Dr. Sudler, um a study for uh uh of other other roadway, Leipsic Road, which has all the traffic that deals with the speedway, with um Woodlands, 216 apartments already there being constructed, another 250 That was 216, 250 apartments and the townhouses are going to be there. The MPO has turned down a study, and they really have to study this because now you're going to have a tremendous influx on Leipsic to get in and get out with all the other traffic that's there. Should it be built? Yeah, we need we need the housing. We need the tax base that's coming up from there. All the things are positive, but you have to take a look at what that traffic is going to look like at this time. So, I I'm going to be voting in for for to to move this on, simply because it has to be done, but with that note on, traffic has to be studied, and they better study it now than later. I yield.","topics_json":"[\"housing\",\"zoning\",\"taxes\"]","vector_id":"vec_seg_98719_198","created_at":"2026-10-31T06:21:40Z","speaker_name":"Fred A. Neil"},{"id":"seg_98719_199","meeting_id":"98719","media_asset_id":"med_98719_69e35d5dc574a0f3","agenda_item_id":null,"speaker_id":"off_andre_m_boggerty","speaker_confidence":0.95,"start_sec":4454.97,"end_sec":4457.37,"text":"Thank you.","topics_json":"[\"zoning\"]","vector_id":"vec_seg_98719_199","created_at":"2026-10-31T06:21:40Z","speaker_name":"Andre M. Boggerty"},{"id":"seg_98719_2","meeting_id":"98719","media_asset_id":"med_98719_69e35d5dc574a0f3","agenda_item_id":null,"speaker_id":"off_fred_a_neil","speaker_confidence":0.95,"start_sec":9.21,"end_sec":32.96,"text":"I now call the to order the Council Committee of the Whole meeting of Thursday, February 26th, 2026. I would like to remind the public that the public comments are welcome on any item and will be permitted at the appropriate time. You have the to have before you this evening's agenda, and I'll entertain a motion for its adoption.","topics_json":"[]","vector_id":"vec_seg_98719_2","created_at":"2026-10-31T06:21:39Z","speaker_name":"Fred A. Neil"},{"id":"seg_98719_20","meeting_id":"98719","media_asset_id":"med_98719_69e35d5dc574a0f3","agenda_item_id":null,"speaker_id":"spk_98719_linda_parkowski","speaker_confidence":0.9,"start_sec":421.41,"end_sec":445.89,"text":"So also do we have the land needed to support future growth and job creation? Dover has done an amazing job of selling out the Garrison Oak Industrial Park. And the answer to this is no, we don't have the land that we need for future growth. If we're going to look at this at 10 or 15 or 20 years from now, the answer's no. Um, next slide.","topics_json":"[\"business\",\"zoning\"]","vector_id":"vec_seg_98719_20","created_at":"2026-10-31T06:21:40Z","speaker_name":"Linda Parkowski"},{"id":"seg_98719_200","meeting_id":"98719","media_asset_id":"med_98719_69e35d5dc574a0f3","agenda_item_id":null,"speaker_id":"off_andre_m_boggerty","speaker_confidence":0.95,"start_sec":4462.77,"end_sec":4468.07,"text":"There's been a motion on the floor, uh a discussion. Uh the chair recognizes Councilman Rocha.","topics_json":"[\"zoning\"]","vector_id":"vec_seg_98719_200","created_at":"2026-10-31T06:21:40Z","speaker_name":"Andre M. Boggerty"},{"id":"seg_98719_201","meeting_id":"98719","media_asset_id":"med_98719_69e35d5dc574a0f3","agenda_item_id":null,"speaker_id":"off_gerald_l_rocha_sr","speaker_confidence":0.95,"start_sec":4468.07,"end_sec":4476.17,"text":"Real quick, the the access to this property, there will be access coming off of DuPont Highway, correct?","topics_json":"[\"zoning\"]","vector_id":"vec_seg_98719_201","created_at":"2026-10-31T06:21:40Z","speaker_name":"Gerald L. Rocha, Sr."},{"id":"seg_98719_202","meeting_id":"98719","media_asset_id":"med_98719_69e35d5dc574a0f3","agenda_item_id":null,"speaker_id":"spk_98719_dawn_melson_williams","speaker_confidence":0.95,"start_sec":4476.17,"end_sec":4519.96,"text":"Um yes, for this property for the DuPont Plaza, um for that shopping center, uh there is a right in, right out um entrance that's been designed. You can see that kind of right in the center of the page. Uh that's on that is subject to DelDOT review and approval. Uh it is in a location that places it at the furthest point from the intersection of Leipsic Road and DuPont Highway. It's in a location that's previously been approved for an entrance. And then as noted, uh there is a second entrance point off of Leipsic Road. Um it's kind of just There it is. Um there on the left-hand side of the image, uh that is existing, and that is actually one of two entrance points that serve the um apartment complex The Edge that is proposed there. Um there is no townhouses associated with uh this project. It's a um where The Edge Apartments is is about 15 acres that previously was actually part of this overall tract of land, but was subdivided a number of years ago.","topics_json":"[\"zoning\",\"housing\"]","vector_id":"vec_seg_98719_202","created_at":"2026-10-31T06:21:40Z","speaker_name":"Dawn Melson-Williams"},{"id":"seg_98719_203","meeting_id":"98719","media_asset_id":"med_98719_69e35d5dc574a0f3","agenda_item_id":null,"speaker_id":"off_roy_sudler_jr","speaker_confidence":0.95,"start_sec":4519.97,"end_sec":4521.77,"text":"That's a conflict of interest, he just resigned.","topics_json":"[]","vector_id":"vec_seg_98719_203","created_at":"2026-10-31T06:21:40Z","speaker_name":"Roy Sudler, Jr."},{"id":"seg_98719_204","meeting_id":"98719","media_asset_id":"med_98719_69e35d5dc574a0f3","agenda_item_id":null,"speaker_id":"off_roy_sudler_jr","speaker_confidence":0.95,"start_sec":4523.22,"end_sec":4553.03,"text":"Council President, I mean, I can't speak on, I'm sorry, Chairman Anderson. Just, just for ethical and litigation purposes, could we have the city solicitor, if he's still here, to comment on whether or not there's a period if you've, if you just resigned and if it says that it has to be 30 days in order for you to, you know, not be in a position where you have to recuse yourself? I'd rather, I'd rather know than not know and, and be in jeopardy of a violation or, or scrutiny. So if you're amenable, if you're amenable to that, is there any way that we could check that out just so that...","topics_json":"[]","vector_id":"vec_seg_98719_204","created_at":"2026-10-31T06:21:40Z","speaker_name":"Roy Sudler, Jr."},{"id":"seg_98719_205","meeting_id":"98719","media_asset_id":"med_98719_69e35d5dc574a0f3","agenda_item_id":null,"speaker_id":"off_david_l_anderson","speaker_confidence":0.95,"start_sec":4553.27,"end_sec":4589.45,"text":"I'm amenable to calling him. But by the way, we wouldn't be required even if we were to recuse because we receive no benefits. However, that is, there is no provision in the city ethics code at all as long as you have...","topics_json":"[]","vector_id":"vec_seg_98719_205","created_at":"2026-10-31T06:21:40Z","speaker_name":"David L. Anderson"},{"id":"seg_98719_206","meeting_id":"98719","media_asset_id":"med_98719_69e35d5dc574a0f3","agenda_item_id":null,"speaker_id":"off_roy_sudler_jr","speaker_confidence":0.95,"start_sec":4589.57,"end_sec":4592.46,"text":"Are you voting, are you voting on this? But are you voting? Is this a voting matter?","topics_json":"[]","vector_id":"vec_seg_98719_206","created_at":"2026-10-31T06:21:40Z","speaker_name":"Roy Sudler, Jr."},{"id":"seg_98719_207","meeting_id":"98719","media_asset_id":"med_98719_69e35d5dc574a0f3","agenda_item_id":null,"speaker_id":"off_david_l_anderson","speaker_confidence":0.95,"start_sec":4592.88,"end_sec":4594.5,"text":"It is a voting matter.","topics_json":"[]","vector_id":"vec_seg_98719_207","created_at":"2026-10-31T06:21:40Z","speaker_name":"David L. Anderson"},{"id":"seg_98719_208","meeting_id":"98719","media_asset_id":"med_98719_69e35d5dc574a0f3","agenda_item_id":null,"speaker_id":"off_roy_sudler_jr","speaker_confidence":0.95,"start_sec":4594.56,"end_sec":4598.35,"text":"Okay, so I would feel, I would feel comfortable just, just for the sake of, if you're amenable to that, if not...","topics_json":"[]","vector_id":"vec_seg_98719_208","created_at":"2026-10-31T06:21:40Z","speaker_name":"Roy Sudler, Jr."},{"id":"seg_98719_209","meeting_id":"98719","media_asset_id":"med_98719_69e35d5dc574a0f3","agenda_item_id":null,"speaker_id":"off_david_l_anderson","speaker_confidence":0.95,"start_sec":4598.41,"end_sec":4605.02,"text":"I'm amenable to... Mr. President, if you wouldn't mind having someone give the solicitor a call, I would be appreciative.","topics_json":"[]","vector_id":"vec_seg_98719_209","created_at":"2026-10-31T06:21:40Z","speaker_name":"David L. Anderson"},{"id":"seg_98719_21","meeting_id":"98719","media_asset_id":"med_98719_69e35d5dc574a0f3","agenda_item_id":null,"speaker_id":"spk_98719_linda_parkowski","speaker_confidence":0.9,"start_sec":447.8,"end_sec":533.24,"text":"So we have we're we're commissioned, along with uh six municipalities and Dover is participating in that, an Industrial Lands Needs Assessment. We have a national company that is inventorying all the industrial land presently in Kent and what the future future target industries are going to be. What are the new industries that we need to be looking at for 10 or 15 years? And then they're going to identify areas that we should be looking at for future land growth to put it aside now, so that in 10 or 15 years somebody isn't standing here saying, \"We have nothing to sell because we didn't provide that um land identification.\" Next slide, please.","topics_json":"[\"business\",\"zoning\"]","vector_id":"vec_seg_98719_21","created_at":"2026-10-31T06:21:40Z","speaker_name":"Linda Parkowski"},{"id":"seg_98719_210","meeting_id":"98719","media_asset_id":"med_98719_69e35d5dc574a0f3","agenda_item_id":null,"speaker_id":"off_roy_sudler_jr","speaker_confidence":0.95,"start_sec":4605.2,"end_sec":4613.49,"text":"Maybe Council, maybe if Councilman Boggerty, being, having some HR and interpret a little bit better than, than I would feel comfortable being his HR expertise if he could call.","topics_json":"[]","vector_id":"vec_seg_98719_210","created_at":"2026-10-31T06:21:40Z","speaker_name":"Roy Sudler, Jr."},{"id":"seg_98719_211","meeting_id":"98719","media_asset_id":"med_98719_69e35d5dc574a0f3","agenda_item_id":null,"speaker_id":"off_fred_a_neil","speaker_confidence":0.95,"start_sec":4613.98,"end_sec":4615.18,"text":"Yes, if you will, please.","topics_json":"[]","vector_id":"vec_seg_98719_211","created_at":"2026-10-31T06:21:40Z","speaker_name":"Fred A. Neil"},{"id":"seg_98719_212","meeting_id":"98719","media_asset_id":"med_98719_69e35d5dc574a0f3","agenda_item_id":null,"speaker_id":"off_andre_m_boggerty","speaker_confidence":0.95,"start_sec":4615.24,"end_sec":4651.48,"text":"This, this is, thank you, thank you. While this is not entirely a HR matter because it's not an employee matter, but I will say that it will be very close because you said you just resigned. And when is the 'just'? When did you resign?","topics_json":"[]","vector_id":"vec_seg_98719_212","created_at":"2026-10-31T06:21:40Z","speaker_name":"Andre M. Boggerty"},{"id":"seg_98719_213","meeting_id":"98719","media_asset_id":"med_98719_69e35d5dc574a0f3","agenda_item_id":null,"speaker_id":"off_david_l_anderson","speaker_confidence":0.95,"start_sec":4651.6,"end_sec":4653.89,"text":"That is correct. This week.","topics_json":"[]","vector_id":"vec_seg_98719_213","created_at":"2026-10-31T06:21:40Z","speaker_name":"David L. 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You, it's a moral decision to decide if you want to hear and hear something that you are that closely connected to, and you get to oversee because again, I think within our charter, I think when we signed that we're not supposed to give moneys to any area that we, we serve as board members, and this is to resign this week and then come and then they ask for money and you get to oversee it. That, that, that is a really, really close, that that's a really, really close time period, or lack thereof. So again, I yield to your moral compass to decide and the, and the Council President to decide if he wants to appoint somebody to hear this matter. That's my... That's my consulting position. Again, I'm not saying that that's something that by the bylaw...","topics_json":"[\"budget\"]","vector_id":"vec_seg_98719_214","created_at":"2026-10-31T06:21:40Z","speaker_name":"Andre M. 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Most recently, we had Bayhealth here and I'm employed by Bayhealth, and I recused myself because we had a vote on the matter of expanding the hospital, and I had asked the city solicitor in the back room what should I do, and he told me that I needed to recuse myself, it would be safe to do that, and I did if you recall, and you could look at the minutes when it came to the vote.","topics_json":"[]","vector_id":"vec_seg_98719_216","created_at":"2026-10-31T06:21:40Z","speaker_name":"Brian E. Lewis"},{"id":"seg_98719_217","meeting_id":"98719","media_asset_id":"med_98719_69e35d5dc574a0f3","agenda_item_id":null,"speaker_id":"off_david_l_anderson","speaker_confidence":0.95,"start_sec":4792.25,"end_sec":4822.18,"text":"Yeah. And, and our code basically says that if you receive money from an organization or have employment, and that, and that's very explicit. So I just want to...","topics_json":"[]","vector_id":"vec_seg_98719_217","created_at":"2026-10-31T06:21:40Z","speaker_name":"David L. 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In our ethics training...","topics_json":"[]","vector_id":"vec_seg_98719_220","created_at":"2026-10-31T06:21:40Z","speaker_name":"Roy Sudler, Jr."},{"id":"seg_98719_221","meeting_id":"98719","media_asset_id":"med_98719_69e35d5dc574a0f3","agenda_item_id":null,"speaker_id":"off_david_l_anderson","speaker_confidence":0.95,"start_sec":4827.71,"end_sec":4832.88,"text":"It's, it's something that you have, not only you have no interest in, but, but have no future interest in. But you know...","topics_json":"[]","vector_id":"vec_seg_98719_221","created_at":"2026-10-31T06:21:40Z","speaker_name":"David L. Anderson"},{"id":"seg_98719_222","meeting_id":"98719","media_asset_id":"med_98719_69e35d5dc574a0f3","agenda_item_id":null,"speaker_id":"off_roy_sudler_jr","speaker_confidence":0.95,"start_sec":4833.06,"end_sec":4855.06,"text":"Can I interject? In our ethics commission, ethics training, it said it doesn't have to be a direct conflict of interest, it can be an appearance of impropriety. And so, I definitely think this falls in the line of an appearance of impropriety if you just resigned last week, and then now you're, you know, conducting the meeting. I'm, I'm not saying that you, you did it purposely, I'm just saying I'm looking out for the city and for our constituents, and I think that you should recuse yourself, at the very least just so that underneath the appearance of impropriety. That's just my view. It's up to you.","topics_json":"[]","vector_id":"vec_seg_98719_222","created_at":"2026-10-31T06:21:40Z","speaker_name":"Roy Sudler, Jr."},{"id":"seg_98719_223","meeting_id":"98719","media_asset_id":"med_98719_69e35d5dc574a0f3","agenda_item_id":null,"speaker_id":"off_david_l_anderson","speaker_confidence":0.95,"start_sec":4855.18,"end_sec":4893.53,"text":"Thank you. Now, I will say the code is clear and bright on that, there is no issue there. Now, we're going to have the hearing, but I'm going to turn over the chairing of this particular item to someone else. Council President, would you like to chair this particular item?","topics_json":"[]","vector_id":"vec_seg_98719_223","created_at":"2026-10-31T06:21:40Z","speaker_name":"David L. Anderson"},{"id":"seg_98719_224","meeting_id":"98719","media_asset_id":"med_98719_69e35d5dc574a0f3","agenda_item_id":null,"speaker_id":"off_fred_a_neil","speaker_confidence":0.95,"start_sec":4893.65,"end_sec":4902.96,"text":"I will chair, Councilman Anderson. And we have, Mr. Hugg is going to... What? We have this... Who? Ms. Hall? Yes.","topics_json":"[]","vector_id":"vec_seg_98719_224","created_at":"2026-10-31T06:21:40Z","speaker_name":"Fred A. Neil"},{"id":"seg_98719_225","meeting_id":"98719","media_asset_id":"med_98719_69e35d5dc574a0f3","agenda_item_id":null,"speaker_id":"off_fred_a_neil","speaker_confidence":0.95,"start_sec":4903.5,"end_sec":4904.11,"text":"Ms. Hall.","topics_json":"[]","vector_id":"vec_seg_98719_225","created_at":"2026-10-31T06:21:40Z","speaker_name":"Fred A. 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I see that Mr. Hugg is at the podium. I have a few areas of concern and I know that some information has come forward. Council President, I know that you, you had that. And we, we definitely want to have Pastor Grimes and Mr. Stafford come forward and, and give their presentations. I don't want them to have a, a wasted moment here. We want to be appreciative of their time. I, I do however want to address some of the complaints that have come forward, and in light of those things, pending what those things show, possibly hold off on the vote for this after we determine whether or not there's merit to those issues that have come forth. So with that in mind, I'd like to allow Mr. Hugg to move forward at the podium and guide this discussion. Thank you, I yield.","topics_json":"[\"housing\",\"homelessness\"]","vector_id":"vec_seg_98719_228","created_at":"2026-10-31T06:21:40Z","speaker_name":"Donyale M. 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And so there are new technologies, and there have companies that have been trying to come into Delaware with new technologies, and our zoning codes have not been up to date. Uh, next slide, please.","topics_json":"[\"zoning\",\"business\"]","vector_id":"vec_seg_98719_23","created_at":"2026-10-31T06:21:40Z","speaker_name":"Linda Parkowski"},{"id":"seg_98719_230","meeting_id":"98719","media_asset_id":"med_98719_69e35d5dc574a0f3","agenda_item_id":null,"speaker_id":"spk_98719_dave_hugg","speaker_confidence":0.95,"start_sec":4975.75,"end_sec":5137.14,"text":"Thank you, and good evening. Dave Hugg, City Manager. This application originally came to you back in January along with the similar application for the Rail Haus. At that meeting, it was postponed for additional information and background. The application itself, essentially, is creating a program to deal with workforce issues. As the narrative of the application, which should be in your packet, basically describes the difficulties that certain members of our of our community have who have been incarcerated or whatever and are trying to get back into the workforce and may run into a number of obstacles: not having right ID, not having, having prepared a resume, for example, filled out a job description, what have you. At the time that this was prepared, I made a recommendation, which did not come to council at that time, that we approve the, the application, the grant for $47,363 to be used to develop and implement a workforce development program at the People's Community Center. That was the recommendation coming forward based on the, the requirements of this fund and the information that I had obtained from Dr. Hodges and others. At this particular time, I'm concerned that, and it's a little bit outside of my jurisdiction, that there are a number of outstanding complaints that are being looked at by the city involving the use of the building, some of the activities to take place, and, you know, various operational issues. They were, they were brought to the attention of, I think the attorney for People's, People's Community Center on the 17th of February, which makes it somewhat difficult for me to continue with my recommendation only because I think these, these allegations need to be addressed and resolved before we move forward with, with providing additional funding for a new program at that site. So that's my...","topics_json":"[\"budget\",\"housing\",\"homelessness\",\"business\"]","vector_id":"vec_seg_98719_230","created_at":"2026-10-31T06:21:40Z","speaker_name":"Dave Hugg"},{"id":"seg_98719_231","meeting_id":"98719","media_asset_id":"med_98719_69e35d5dc574a0f3","agenda_item_id":null,"speaker_id":"off_fred_a_neil","speaker_confidence":0.95,"start_sec":5137.62,"end_sec":5138.4,"text":"Councilman Boggerty.","topics_json":"[]","vector_id":"vec_seg_98719_231","created_at":"2026-10-31T06:21:40Z","speaker_name":"Fred A. Neil"},{"id":"seg_98719_232","meeting_id":"98719","media_asset_id":"med_98719_69e35d5dc574a0f3","agenda_item_id":null,"speaker_id":"off_andre_m_boggerty","speaker_confidence":0.95,"start_sec":5138.64,"end_sec":5189.97,"text":"Thank you. Thank you for recognizing me. I too have received and hear and personally I've witnessed People's Church when they do what they are doing as far as feeding and housing. Sometimes, you know, it's yeoman's work and sometimes a thankless job. Again, I personally have donated to, when things have come up short. However, my my, my challenge is, is this: People's Church has been there a long time. So if it's, if it was it supposed to be some type of programming already for the individuals that were housed there?","topics_json":"[\"housing\",\"homelessness\"]","vector_id":"vec_seg_98719_232","created_at":"2026-10-31T06:21:40Z","speaker_name":"Andre M. 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Like what programming are there besides, and again, I'm just going to be high level, besides feeding and a place to sleep and some level of, you know, counseling or what. What other programs were, were, were taking place there? I see Dr. Hodges is raising his hand, you may call him if you...","topics_json":"[\"housing\",\"homelessness\"]","vector_id":"vec_seg_98719_234","created_at":"2026-10-31T06:21:40Z","speaker_name":"Andre M. 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Boggerty"},{"id":"seg_98719_237","meeting_id":"98719","media_asset_id":"med_98719_69e35d5dc574a0f3","agenda_item_id":null,"speaker_id":"spk_98719_dave_hugg","speaker_confidence":0.95,"start_sec":5216.78,"end_sec":5241.54,"text":"Okay.","topics_json":"[]","vector_id":"vec_seg_98719_237","created_at":"2026-10-31T06:21:40Z","speaker_name":"Dave Hugg"},{"id":"seg_98719_238","meeting_id":"98719","media_asset_id":"med_98719_69e35d5dc574a0f3","agenda_item_id":null,"speaker_id":"off_fred_a_neil","speaker_confidence":0.95,"start_sec":5241.66,"end_sec":5364.03,"text":"Councilman Boggerty, before he comes, I have a statement that I have to make. I'm requesting that the application submitted by the People's Community Center located within the People's Church for Economic Development funds be denied at this time based on multiple complaints regarding zoning violations arising from the activities at the center and the very real possibility of litigation. I also request the City Council consider restricting certain activities occurring there. These concerns include, but are not limited to, the presence of five convicted sexual offenders who list the People's Church as their residence while programs for children operate in the same building. There's no question that the individuals struggling for, with addiction or mental illnesses need services and support. However, their behavior has not improved in this location. The services offered at the center have become a magnet for individuals whose actions are systematically destroying the quality of life and devaluing the property for residents along historic Bradford Street, the rebuilt New Street corridor, Governors Avenue, Kirkwood, State Street, and the businesses in the downtown area. Streets, backyards, porches are used as toilets. Trash, needles, public sex acts, and solicitation are rampant. As we work to rebuild downtown, approximately 23 properties, including several stately homes converted to offices, are now being sold because we've been unable to change the conditions affecting the area. On December the 2nd, 2025, a 14-page formal complaint was submitted to the clerk's office, the mayor, and code enforcement. I did not see it, and I asked members of this council, did you see this document?","topics_json":"[\"housing\",\"homelessness\",\"zoning\",\"public_safety\",\"business\"]","vector_id":"vec_seg_98719_238","created_at":"2026-10-31T06:21:40Z","speaker_name":"Fred A. Neil"},{"id":"seg_98719_239","meeting_id":"98719","media_asset_id":"med_98719_69e35d5dc574a0f3","agenda_item_id":null,"speaker_id":"off_david_l_anderson","speaker_confidence":0.95,"start_sec":5364.46,"end_sec":5364.94,"text":"No.","topics_json":"[]","vector_id":"vec_seg_98719_239","created_at":"2026-10-31T06:21:40Z","speaker_name":"David L. 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Next slide.","topics_json":"[\"housing\",\"business\"]","vector_id":"vec_seg_98719_24","created_at":"2026-10-31T06:21:40Z","speaker_name":"Linda Parkowski"},{"id":"seg_98719_240","meeting_id":"98719","media_asset_id":"med_98719_69e35d5dc574a0f3","agenda_item_id":null,"speaker_id":"off_roy_sudler_jr","speaker_confidence":0.95,"start_sec":5365.3,"end_sec":5365.9,"text":"No.","topics_json":"[]","vector_id":"vec_seg_98719_240","created_at":"2026-10-31T06:21:40Z","speaker_name":"Roy Sudler, Jr."},{"id":"seg_98719_241","meeting_id":"98719","media_asset_id":"med_98719_69e35d5dc574a0f3","agenda_item_id":null,"speaker_id":"off_fred_a_neil","speaker_confidence":0.95,"start_sec":5366.08,"end_sec":5385.49,"text":"The document is a clear indication, indictment of the unintended consequences that arise when we attempt to do the right thing in the wrong location. On February 4th of 2026, attorney Kevin Baird sent a letter to the city clerk, the mayor, planning code enforcement, and the fire marshal, raising the same concerns and requesting a response within 14 days. I do not recall receiving it at that time. Did you?","topics_json":"[\"housing\",\"homelessness\",\"zoning\",\"public_safety\"]","vector_id":"vec_seg_98719_241","created_at":"2026-10-31T06:21:40Z","speaker_name":"Fred A. Neil"},{"id":"seg_98719_242","meeting_id":"98719","media_asset_id":"med_98719_69e35d5dc574a0f3","agenda_item_id":null,"speaker_id":"off_david_l_anderson","speaker_confidence":0.95,"start_sec":5386.21,"end_sec":5386.75,"text":"No.","topics_json":"[]","vector_id":"vec_seg_98719_242","created_at":"2026-10-31T06:21:40Z","speaker_name":"David L. Anderson"},{"id":"seg_98719_243","meeting_id":"98719","media_asset_id":"med_98719_69e35d5dc574a0f3","agenda_item_id":null,"speaker_id":"off_fred_a_neil","speaker_confidence":0.95,"start_sec":5386.81,"end_sec":5423.96,"text":"When I received a copy, I asked the city managers about it and was told that on February 18th, the staff met and requested that our solicitor prepare a reply. The reply has not been shared with the city council, and we met with the solicitor today. Complicating the matter is the fact that three of our elected...","topics_json":"[\"housing\",\"homelessness\",\"zoning\",\"public_safety\"]","vector_id":"vec_seg_98719_243","created_at":"2026-10-31T06:21:40Z","speaker_name":"Fred A. Neil"},{"id":"seg_98719_244","meeting_id":"98719","media_asset_id":"med_98719_69e35d5dc574a0f3","agenda_item_id":null,"speaker_id":"off_fred_a_neil","speaker_confidence":1,"start_sec":5423.96,"end_sec":5450.56,"text":"officials, who I hold in very high regard, serve on the board of that center, including member one member of this council. But they cannot control the behavior of individuals once they leave the facility. What will it cost to make the surrounding areas safe from abuses that are occurring? Are we preparing to raise taxes to pay for it? Or will we allow the destruction of these neighborhoods to continue unabated?","topics_json":"[\"homelessness\",\"public_safety\",\"taxes\",\"budget\"]","vector_id":"vec_seg_98719_244","created_at":"2026-10-31T06:21:40Z","speaker_name":"Fred A. Neil"},{"id":"seg_98719_245","meeting_id":"98719","media_asset_id":"med_98719_69e35d5dc574a0f3","agenda_item_id":null,"speaker_id":"off_fred_a_neil","speaker_confidence":1,"start_sec":5452.66,"end_sec":5475.46,"text":"We have received a copy of the February 4th letter from Kevin Baird, and I requested the clerk to send the original, to add the original December 22nd, 2025 complaint to the record, and I sent to each member of the council that record, that letter we received on February 24th.","topics_json":"[\"zoning\",\"public_safety\"]","vector_id":"vec_seg_98719_245","created_at":"2026-10-31T06:21:40Z","speaker_name":"Fred A. Neil"},{"id":"seg_98719_246","meeting_id":"98719","media_asset_id":"med_98719_69e35d5dc574a0f3","agenda_item_id":null,"speaker_id":"off_fred_a_neil","speaker_confidence":1,"start_sec":5475.96,"end_sec":5531.46,"text":"I agree with the individuals served by the center need food and shelter, but nothing occurring there is changing the dynamics of their lives. We cannot allow the inability to act rationally to destroy the quality of life of others. The Attorney General's office is not expected to object to Dover re-establishing the Alderman's Court. It's not a panacea, but it will offer more responsive, community-based court that can help restore accountability.","topics_json":"[\"homelessness\",\"public_safety\"]","vector_id":"vec_seg_98719_246","created_at":"2026-10-31T06:21:40Z","speaker_name":"Fred A. Neil"},{"id":"seg_98719_247","meeting_id":"98719","media_asset_id":"med_98719_69e35d5dc574a0f3","agenda_item_id":null,"speaker_id":"off_fred_a_neil","speaker_confidence":1,"start_sec":5531.46,"end_sec":5551.26,"text":"I'm requesting the staff to provide us with the cost of re-establishing the court. Now, one additional piece of information has come to me. There has been a complaint by the Delaware State Health Department about the kitchen that is being used to serve 75 to 100 people. Nobody is turned away. They pride themselves on the fact nobody's turned away.","topics_json":"[\"budget\",\"public_safety\",\"homelessness\"]","vector_id":"vec_seg_98719_247","created_at":"2026-10-31T06:21:40Z","speaker_name":"Fred A. Neil"},{"id":"seg_98719_248","meeting_id":"98719","media_asset_id":"med_98719_69e35d5dc574a0f3","agenda_item_id":null,"speaker_id":"off_fred_a_neil","speaker_confidence":1,"start_sec":5551.26,"end_sec":5582.76,"text":"That health report was given to our code inspectors, who turned it over to the family community police department. We have not seen what that report says.","topics_json":"[\"public_safety\"]","vector_id":"vec_seg_98719_248","created_at":"2026-10-31T06:21:40Z","speaker_name":"Fred A. Neil"},{"id":"seg_98719_249","meeting_id":"98719","media_asset_id":"med_98719_69e35d5dc574a0f3","agenda_item_id":null,"speaker_id":"off_fred_a_neil","speaker_confidence":1,"start_sec":5583.16,"end_sec":5650.16,"text":"So there are constant problems with that building and the destruction, basically, of the area around there. It's our responsibility to find uses to make sure that we're not destroying the tax base for the people who need the money that we need money for to help them. And they cannot act rationally. So with that, I'm requesting that this be pulled from the agenda at this time and denied.","topics_json":"[\"taxes\",\"homelessness\",\"budget\",\"zoning\"]","vector_id":"vec_seg_98719_249","created_at":"2026-10-31T06:21:40Z","speaker_name":"Fred A. Neil"},{"id":"seg_98719_25","meeting_id":"98719","media_asset_id":"med_98719_69e35d5dc574a0f3","agenda_item_id":null,"speaker_id":"spk_98719_linda_parkowski","speaker_confidence":0.9,"start_sec":639.69,"end_sec":730.08,"text":"The answer's no. Uh, our deficit right now is a state Delaware's 20,000. We need to we make it easy, very easy to put in a subdivision of single-family homes. We don't make it easy to build townhomes, duplexes, apartments. We don't incentivize the middle housing that we need: the starter homes, that kind of stuff. So as a state and as bodies that actually control those kinds of things, we need to think about You know, some other places have expedited reviews, they've allowed increased density, there's by-right zoning so that these things, that we can create this middle housing that we need. TIDs have been really helpful. Next slide.","topics_json":"[\"housing\",\"zoning\"]","vector_id":"vec_seg_98719_25","created_at":"2026-10-31T06:21:40Z","speaker_name":"Linda Parkowski"},{"id":"seg_98719_250","meeting_id":"98719","media_asset_id":"med_98719_69e35d5dc574a0f3","agenda_item_id":null,"speaker_id":"off_brian_e_lewis","speaker_confidence":0.95,"start_sec":5650.46,"end_sec":5654.26,"text":"Um, second. I second it, or--","topics_json":"[]","vector_id":"vec_seg_98719_250","created_at":"2026-10-31T06:21:40Z","speaker_name":"Brian E. Lewis"},{"id":"seg_98719_251","meeting_id":"98719","media_asset_id":"med_98719_69e35d5dc574a0f3","agenda_item_id":null,"speaker_id":"off_andre_m_boggerty","speaker_confidence":1,"start_sec":5655.16,"end_sec":5679.76,"text":"I still had the floor. Thank you, Councilman, but I still had the floor. I would call that once we approve the agenda, agenda is and pull it now, I think it's just of a vote. But I I, um, there's there's there are individuals who who have Robert's Rules of Order, but once the agenda is approved, it's approved.","topics_json":"[]","vector_id":"vec_seg_98719_251","created_at":"2026-10-31T06:21:40Z","speaker_name":"Andre M. Boggerty"},{"id":"seg_98719_252","meeting_id":"98719","media_asset_id":"med_98719_69e35d5dc574a0f3","agenda_item_id":null,"speaker_id":"off_andre_m_boggerty","speaker_confidence":1,"start_sec":5679.96,"end_sec":5756.86,"text":"But I do want to go back to a couple questions regardless of the directions to be considered so they can be on record. My questions are, or would have been, what programs have been offered since the duration of of People's Church? Um, it it would have appeared that when you establish a program like this, especially for the years in operation, that you that there should have already been some type of of life develop- work-life skills being developed. So it concerns me that years later we're just crossing this.","topics_json":"[\"homelessness\"]","vector_id":"vec_seg_98719_252","created_at":"2026-10-31T06:21:40Z","speaker_name":"Andre M. Boggerty"},{"id":"seg_98719_253","meeting_id":"98719","media_asset_id":"med_98719_69e35d5dc574a0f3","agenda_item_id":null,"speaker_id":"off_andre_m_boggerty","speaker_confidence":1,"start_sec":5757.06,"end_sec":5842.46,"text":"Then I I I read through some of the the, uh, took a brief 1-minute view of the budget. I see that again, you, you know, I don't know who you who all who all you are collecting rent there, but I saw a line item for rent for the organization that would do the program for $1,000. So are we, you know, are we, what space do you have there that somebody would be utilizing? Is a designated space that that somebody would be utilizing $1,000, or charging $1,000? Not a lot of money, but it is money that that that ends up to be $12,000 worth of of of rents.","topics_json":"[\"budget\",\"homelessness\"]","vector_id":"vec_seg_98719_253","created_at":"2026-10-31T06:21:40Z","speaker_name":"Andre M. Boggerty"},{"id":"seg_98719_254","meeting_id":"98719","media_asset_id":"med_98719_69e35d5dc574a0f3","agenda_item_id":null,"speaker_id":"off_andre_m_boggerty","speaker_confidence":1,"start_sec":5842.56,"end_sec":5925.16,"text":"And then also, um, I have another question. There there are several opportunities for work-life, for the for these services to be offered elsewhere. There there's there's Polytech, um, that that if you, you know, I saw there was a transportation, if you were asking for transportation to commute individuals back and forth to Polytech or some of these other programs, I couldn't argue that. But there's Polytech, um, and they came and did a great presentation here, um, sometime ago. There's DelTech, um, and I I personally have worked with DelTech. I I looking forward to attend the graduations. They have all the programming you need, and to include, uh, on skills development, work-like. They take individuals for GED prep.","topics_json":"[\"homelessness\"]","vector_id":"vec_seg_98719_254","created_at":"2026-10-31T06:21:40Z","speaker_name":"Andre M. Boggerty"},{"id":"seg_98719_255","meeting_id":"98719","media_asset_id":"med_98719_69e35d5dc574a0f3","agenda_item_id":null,"speaker_id":"off_andre_m_boggerty","speaker_confidence":1,"start_sec":5925.26,"end_sec":5972.76,"text":"I've sent, believe it or not, I paid and sent for, and I only say this because people have commented on what I don't do, um, I paid and sent, um, people to go get their GEDs, individuals from my church. I, if you go to my church, you don't have a GED, you're you're going to school. I have a member there who will attest. That you don't have to make yourself known, that I encouraged them. There's the Delaware State, um, um, um, program on the corner, CURE, uh, and and and Janine runs it, and all of those There's programming everywhere that that allows and provides these services.","topics_json":"[\"homelessness\"]","vector_id":"vec_seg_98719_255","created_at":"2026-10-31T06:21:40Z","speaker_name":"Andre M. Boggerty"},{"id":"seg_98719_256","meeting_id":"98719","media_asset_id":"med_98719_69e35d5dc574a0f3","agenda_item_id":null,"speaker_id":"off_andre_m_boggerty","speaker_confidence":1,"start_sec":5972.76,"end_sec":6063.06,"text":"And sometimes individuals who've already have are already who have operated in this space, sometimes partnership and collaboration, uh, is is easier, more effective, and more efficient. I see, you know, I see some of my heroes, I won't point them out, my mentors are out there, and I know what they can add to individuals' lives. I'm here because of some of them. But at the same time, I have to think that this $47,000, and we've given People's Church a lot of money. We've given People's Church a lot of money, um, to the tunes of of of a couple hundred thousand dollars. I know during COVID, and I know I know things cost, and I know things, uh, have expenses, but we funded People's Church to the nth degree.","topics_json":"[\"budget\",\"homelessness\"]","vector_id":"vec_seg_98719_256","created_at":"2026-10-31T06:21:40Z","speaker_name":"Andre M. Boggerty"},{"id":"seg_98719_257","meeting_id":"98719","media_asset_id":"med_98719_69e35d5dc574a0f3","agenda_item_id":null,"speaker_id":"off_andre_m_boggerty","speaker_confidence":1,"start_sec":6063.16,"end_sec":6143.96,"text":"And and I just can't see, again, especially with what we have just be um what we have just became aware of, I just can't see continue to provide money, and we haven't even seen the yielded results of individuals. I I I parked over there, and people around my car doing stuff, you know. So I I yield with that. Right now, especially given in light of what we we just heard, I I would I would say I'm not going to support this, especially until we hear, um, the the conclusion of the matter that's of the matters that's before us. I yield my time.","topics_json":"[\"budget\",\"homelessness\",\"public_safety\"]","vector_id":"vec_seg_98719_257","created_at":"2026-10-31T06:21:40Z","speaker_name":"Andre M. Boggerty"},{"id":"seg_98719_258","meeting_id":"98719","media_asset_id":"med_98719_69e35d5dc574a0f3","agenda_item_id":null,"speaker_id":"off_fred_a_neil","speaker_confidence":1,"start_sec":6144.36,"end_sec":6146.46,"text":"Councilman Lewis.","topics_json":"[]","vector_id":"vec_seg_98719_258","created_at":"2026-10-31T06:21:40Z","speaker_name":"Fred A. Neil"},{"id":"seg_98719_259","meeting_id":"98719","media_asset_id":"med_98719_69e35d5dc574a0f3","agenda_item_id":null,"speaker_id":"off_brian_e_lewis","speaker_confidence":1,"start_sec":6149.16,"end_sec":6267.46,"text":"Well, I think you pretty much, uh, summed it up, um, Council President Neil. Uh, I was basically only going to interject the fact that, um, when this, uh, came before the committee the last time, um, there were some issues, uh, with the application. An email was sent out to all of us by a Mrs. Frances Perry, which was very alarming to the fact that there was, uh, misrepresentation misrepresentation of information on the application, um, to include veterans. And, uh, my understanding is that the Veterans Affairs already has their own workforce development program. Um, but, um, her email was very alarming. So I was just going to bring that out to the fact that, um, I was not going to, uh, support the funding based on that, and also based on the fact that, um, I felt that this was a duplication, because the Department of Labor already has a workforce development program, and I have spoken to representatives over there at the Department of Labor, and they themselves said that they didn't feel that this was needed, because they have an array of programs over there for the homeless to go over and, uh, apply themselves to. Uh, and that's all I have. Thank you.","topics_json":"[\"budget\",\"homelessness\"]","vector_id":"vec_seg_98719_259","created_at":"2026-10-31T06:21:40Z","speaker_name":"Brian E. Lewis"},{"id":"seg_98719_26","meeting_id":"98719","media_asset_id":"med_98719_69e35d5dc574a0f3","agenda_item_id":null,"speaker_id":"spk_98719_linda_parkowski","speaker_confidence":0.9,"start_sec":732.32,"end_sec":738.31,"text":"And then here's another big one: Are we building the talent needed for tomorrow's jobs? Next slide.","topics_json":"[\"business\"]","vector_id":"vec_seg_98719_26","created_at":"2026-10-31T06:21:40Z","speaker_name":"Linda Parkowski"},{"id":"seg_98719_260","meeting_id":"98719","media_asset_id":"med_98719_69e35d5dc574a0f3","agenda_item_id":null,"speaker_id":"off_fred_a_neil","speaker_confidence":1,"start_sec":6267.96,"end_sec":6327.95,"text":"Mr. Hugg, can I ask what was the decision of the solicitor and what was supposed to happen in regards to the property in regards to zoning? Because there've been a lot of zoning exceptions to this. What was the decision that was made by staff in terms of what the solicitor said?","topics_json":"[\"zoning\"]","vector_id":"vec_seg_98719_260","created_at":"2026-10-31T06:21:40Z","speaker_name":"Fred A. Neil"},{"id":"seg_98719_261","meeting_id":"98719","media_asset_id":"med_98719_69e35d5dc574a0f3","agenda_item_id":null,"speaker_id":"spk_98719_representative_people_s_church","speaker_confidence":0.9,"start_sec":6327.95,"end_sec":6721.05,"text":"economic development funds, um, has nothing to do with the shelter, so that we are we are proposing a different program. I gave a long presentation to you all some time ago about our our plans. What we learned was, through talking to our- we- So as you know, People's Church was part of a network of downtown churches for years and years who all took turns like 3 weeks at a time took turns house- housing the homeless as an emergency winter shelter. When COVID came along, the other churches said, \"We can't anymore.\" And so we stepped up and said, \"All right, we'll do it every night.\" And so that's when it that's when it began. So this is a long ministry of the church. And by the way, if you're worried about code, the courts, much higher than local courts, have long maintained that the right of a house of worship to engage in ministry supersedes zoning qualms on the local level. But that's another issue. That's with regard to the shelter. Let's just talk about workforce development, which is why we're here. We noticed a few years ago, as I as I said to you last time, that about a third of our guests were people in their active addictions. About a third were currently working, but couldn't afford rent. And about a third were people who were returning neighbors. They were folks who had been locked up and came out, or they were folks who were in early recovery from their addictions, and wanted to get back in the workforce. They want to regularize their lives, stabilize their lives. And so we decided we want to help that one-third. Yeah, we're still going to work to keep the other two-thirds alive. But as you pointed out, we decided we don't just want to keep people alive, because then they're going to you know, they have to go out and continue in their underground economic activity in the neighborhood that causes problems for all of us. And by the way, I'm a victim, too, because right outside my office, outside my office window is the alley where people for 40 years have gone in Dover to deal and buy drugs. And they And there's an abandoned house right behind our our church. Right outside my window, they stand out there, and I watched a guy smoke a crack pipe today, and shoot up, and and smoke. And and that apparently has happened for 40 years. It doesn't seem to make much rational sense to say that because we we feed the hungry at night means, therefore, there's more drug addiction or more sex work in Dover. So connecting those two things makes makes no rational sense, right? And let's make public policy based on reason and not emotion. If we take emotion out of the picture, and just use our logical minds, as the city, as any government should, then we find out that, in fact, it is in the best interest of homeowners to provide more opportunity so people don't have to be in the underground economy and hang out on the street. It is in the best interest of the police for us to clean up the street as much as we can. And so our work has been to deal with those people who are ready to stabilize their lives and want to get off the streets. And by the way, the other point, and Councilman Lewis asked this question last time and I did not do a good job answering: our work, our goal is not at all to duplicate services. In fact, as stated very clearly in the documents that you have before you—by the way, the document you have before you, the the problem we had last month was that in the introductory sentence, in the very first sentence, I wrote the kinds of people who walk in our doors to get help, and I wrote, \"children, veterans, homeless.\" It never claimed that we were going to try to supersede the VA's work in workforce development, never claimed that we were going to serve veterans. It just said that veterans were one of the kind of people who walked in our door. I met with Dr. Francis the next day, who hugged me and said she loves me, and we took out that word \"veteran\" and she was perfectly happy. So the new version that I gave to Councilwoman Hall a month or so ago simply took out the word \"veteran,\" and nowhere else does it show that does it even suggest that we're going to serve veterans. So as the document makes clear, our goal is not to reproduce anything, but to work through partnerships. So for instance, on Tuesday I had a conversation with Karen Speakman from NeighborGood Partners about signing a memorandum of understanding by which NeighborGood Partners would provide the financial literacy component of our program. Our goal is not to do things ourselves because we don't have the skills. Two weeks ago I met with two folks from the Department of Labor, the Division of Vocational Rehabilitation, and they were excited about the idea not to do what they're doing, but to host them in our building where the people are, in their neighborhood. Not to reproduce, but to plug into those different services, the APEX Program from Department of Labor for expungements, etc. Our goal is simply to to provide a a space, and we've received from a private foundation the money to completely renovate a space that will be segregated, a space for these different groups to come in, for NeighborGood Partners, for instance, to come in and do a workshop on the banking system or how to file tax returns, or whatever. A bank of computers so that the person from the Department of Labor who comes to talk about who comes to do assessments for vocational rehabilitation can then say, \"Now, let's set up an account with you on this computer and show you how to use it so you can do...\" So everything is about formal forming partnerships, not reproducing. Yes, sir.","topics_json":"[\"homelessness\",\"housing\",\"business\"]","vector_id":"vec_seg_98719_261","created_at":"2026-10-31T06:21:40Z","speaker_name":null},{"id":"seg_98719_262","meeting_id":"98719","media_asset_id":"med_98719_69e35d5dc574a0f3","agenda_item_id":null,"speaker_id":"off_fred_a_neil","speaker_confidence":0.95,"start_sec":6721.05,"end_sec":6722.25,"text":"Yes, Councilman.","topics_json":"[]","vector_id":"vec_seg_98719_262","created_at":"2026-10-31T06:21:40Z","speaker_name":"Fred A. Neil"},{"id":"seg_98719_263","meeting_id":"98719","media_asset_id":"med_98719_69e35d5dc574a0f3","agenda_item_id":null,"speaker_id":"off_roy_sudler_jr","speaker_confidence":0.95,"start_sec":6722.25,"end_sec":7066.65,"text":"Uh, thank you, um, Council President, for recognizing me. Quick question. So, in regards to, you're not produce- you're not, um, you're not providing a differential advantage in providing workforce. You're pretty much serving as, uh, a catalyst or mediator to direct people here and there. And then occasionally, you may have, um, a workshop at at your location, which, right? Is that what I'm hearing? Okay, because I I do know that NCALL has, well, not NCALL anymore, right? So, NeighborGood Partners. They have space where where they where they can, um, host workshops. Um, I know Solid Rock Baptist Church has a space where they also can host workshops. Um, so I'm I'm I'm not clear as to where this money is going if if everyone you're partnering with, which I have a I have a lot of, um, knowledge in regards to how, you know, what they provide to the to the community, because I've done extensive community work with them, um, and I've held community meetings at certain locations as well. So I'm I'm it's hard for me to understand why, um, you need that amount of money if you're just plugging and playing everyone. Um, I I don't really and especially during a time period that, um, we have to reserve We're looking at budgetary issues. And so, timing is everything. I spoke about this earlier. Timing is everything. I do support Everyone knows that. I'm in housing. You know, I you know, I support the homeless. I have people come right off the streets. I have sex offenders that reside at my place where no one else will take them. So I resonate with all walks of housing life, and just in general. And so, I'm, for the record, I I am a strong supporter of fair housing for everyone. I just don't see, um, one, us giving the money right now; two, I don't see the amount of money that's needed to plug and play everyone, or just just to have, you know, them come um frequently to your place when when other facilities have the space. Um, and I just I just And then, you know, this is separate from all of the other concerns, because, um, typically, typically if there are concerns, especially dealing with health, or code enforcement violation, or zoning violations, or health violations at a facility, then we have something called a Clean Hands Act. And until you have all those things cleaned up, there's no additional um business that the city will allow you to do until that is cleaned up. So I don't, you know, I'm I'm not here as an as someone who's trying to, um, not support the initiative. I support the initiative. However, I think that those um discrepancies need to be clarified first so that everyone can be on the same page. Because, you know, housing and homeless and homelessness and housing and and shelter, I think we all are on the same page. We want to help. But how we get there, in regards to the conditions, the the um discrepancies, we have to, as councilpersons, we have to make sure that our constituents, not, you know You are our constituent as well, but we have other constituents as well. And we have to make sure our policies and and compliance is is, you know, that you're in compliance. So I think that it would be in your best interest to sit, you know, get those things cleared up. And, you know, maybe we can see what we can do. But right now, I don't see us really, um, giving anyone any money for economic development when we're at a a budgetary crunch. You know, we're looking at possibly, you know, we have we got some tough decisions we have to make. And so giving money out right now, to me, doesn't make sense when we have, um, our constituents who who are experiencing financial hardship when paying their utility user fees. So, and then we're just going to be giving out money for economic development and work- and workforce, you know, development when there's other agencies that is currently doing that? You to me, you at this at this time period, you would have to have a really extraordinary differential advantage in penetrating that marketplace of service during a time right now where we're looking at, you know, the the, uh, budgetary complexities that we're looking at. So I just want to say that for the record.","topics_json":"[\"budget\",\"housing\",\"homelessness\",\"zoning\",\"business\"]","vector_id":"vec_seg_98719_263","created_at":"2026-10-31T06:21:40Z","speaker_name":"Roy Sudler, Jr."},{"id":"seg_98719_264","meeting_id":"98719","media_asset_id":"med_98719_69e35d5dc574a0f3","agenda_item_id":null,"speaker_id":"spk_98719_representative_people_s_church","speaker_confidence":0.9,"start_sec":7066.65,"end_sec":7089.45,"text":"Thank you, and that's Thank you, and that's exactly Thank you for bringing that point, because the point is exactly what he just said: there has to be some, how did you just say, an extraordinary differential advantage. Here's And I'm going to ask Mr. uh uh Secretary Secretary Harold is fine. Mr. Stafford, to speak to this. Um, here's the advantage that we have. By the way, we are perfectly in compliance. So, if you want me to speak to the health thing, I will in a minute. Let me just say—","topics_json":"[\"business\",\"zoning\"]","vector_id":"vec_seg_98719_264","created_at":"2026-10-31T06:21:40Z","speaker_name":null},{"id":"seg_98719_265","meeting_id":"98719","media_asset_id":"med_98719_69e35d5dc574a0f3","agenda_item_id":null,"speaker_id":"off_fred_a_neil","speaker_confidence":0.95,"start_sec":7089.45,"end_sec":7135.45,"text":"Basically, you say you're compliant, we get sued, the city taxpayers have to defend compliancy, and there is a great deal of a question of whether it is or it is you are or you're not. There is a lot of law that says that is not a ministry that you're talking about. There's certain services you can have in there, but that is a different use for the property, and the law is there and will be determined by the attorneys. I have 17 articulate letters, one of them is seven pages long, detailing the problems of people who are coming there who you say are not yours. But they're drawn there because they eat there. They're drawn there because they can go to your place. And that is where we have a problem. It is a residential area that is bringing people to that area destroying homes. One of these letters is seven pages long and is very articulate, and really is detailed. So you're painting a wonderful picture that can be done elsewhere. It's simply that.","topics_json":"[\"housing\",\"zoning\",\"homelessness\",\"public_safety\"]","vector_id":"vec_seg_98719_265","created_at":"2026-10-31T06:21:40Z","speaker_name":"Fred A. Neil"},{"id":"seg_98719_266","meeting_id":"98719","media_asset_id":"med_98719_69e35d5dc574a0f3","agenda_item_id":null,"speaker_id":"spk_98719_representative_people_s_church","speaker_confidence":0.9,"start_sec":7135.45,"end_sec":7136.95,"text":"No, sir. 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It just doesn't have to happen there. And whether the Labor Secretary is here or not, the fact is, it is damaging to the property. 17 articulate letters, not something that was a form that somebody just sent in by email. This is going to go to the Secretary. This is going to go into the record. The names are going to be redacted simply because there is a fright factor, intimidation from the people who are hanging around, and they don't want to be intimidated. And so, while you paint this marvelous picture, it hasn't been marvelous for them. And you have to consider the quality of life that you can't say, \"It's wonderful, we're going to do this,\" because it hasn't been wonderful. It has been terrible. And basically, what they","topics_json":"[\"housing\",\"zoning\",\"homelessness\",\"public_safety\"]","vector_id":"vec_seg_98719_267","created_at":"2026-10-31T06:21:40Z","speaker_name":"Fred A. 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We have a Pathways program, but what we haven't what we haven't done is taken a look at what are the jobs that are going to be needed in the next 10 or 15 years, and are we training our middle school students now for them? And that to really So in the skilled trades gap, this is national. I mean, we're we think they're a million six in a deficit, and maintenance and just repair workers. If you go on Indeed here in Kent County, you'll see that all our manufacturers are always looking for maintenance, repair, electricians, those kind of things that um we're not pumping out enough graduates, you know. Polytech does a good job. Uh, DelTech does a good job, but we need to be training some of these kids in schools. All right. Next next slide, please.","topics_json":"[\"business\"]","vector_id":"vec_seg_98719_27","created_at":"2026-10-31T06:21:40Z","speaker_name":"Linda Parkowski"},{"id":"seg_98719_270","meeting_id":"98719","media_asset_id":"med_98719_69e35d5dc574a0f3","agenda_item_id":null,"speaker_id":"off_fred_a_neil","speaker_confidence":0.95,"start_sec":7260.61,"end_sec":7264.32,"text":"And you're smiling and saying, \"This is wonderful. We have to pull it together.\" Yes, we do.","topics_json":"[\"homelessness\"]","vector_id":"vec_seg_98719_270","created_at":"2026-10-31T06:21:40Z","speaker_name":"Fred A. Neil"},{"id":"seg_98719_271","meeting_id":"98719","media_asset_id":"med_98719_69e35d5dc574a0f3","agenda_item_id":null,"speaker_id":"off_fred_a_neil","speaker_confidence":0.95,"start_sec":7264.32,"end_sec":7268.75,"text":"But it doesn't have to be at your location. And that location basically is not, was not designed for that.","topics_json":"[\"zoning\",\"homelessness\"]","vector_id":"vec_seg_98719_271","created_at":"2026-10-31T06:21:40Z","speaker_name":"Fred A. Neil"},{"id":"seg_98719_272","meeting_id":"98719","media_asset_id":"med_98719_69e35d5dc574a0f3","agenda_item_id":null,"speaker_id":"off_fred_a_neil","speaker_confidence":0.95,"start_sec":7268.75,"end_sec":7278.96,"text":"You want to have kids in there for programs? Great. You want to have some educations in there for something for Great. But what you've drawn is basically a destruction of the property","topics_json":"[\"homelessness\",\"public_safety\"]","vector_id":"vec_seg_98719_272","created_at":"2026-10-31T06:21:40Z","speaker_name":"Fred A. Neil"},{"id":"seg_98719_273","meeting_id":"98719","media_asset_id":"med_98719_69e35d5dc574a0f3","agenda_item_id":null,"speaker_id":"off_fred_a_neil","speaker_confidence":0.95,"start_sec":7278.96,"end_sec":7288.41,"text":"there, historic property, newly developed property, new homes on New Street, all through that area. And they come because they know they can dine at your place. They know that there's going to be food there.","topics_json":"[\"homelessness\",\"housing\"]","vector_id":"vec_seg_98719_273","created_at":"2026-10-31T06:21:40Z","speaker_name":"Fred A. Neil"},{"id":"seg_98719_274","meeting_id":"98719","media_asset_id":"med_98719_69e35d5dc574a0f3","agenda_item_id":null,"speaker_id":"off_fred_a_neil","speaker_confidence":0.95,"start_sec":7288.41,"end_sec":7301.2,"text":"Do they need it? Yes, but they needed it there? Why don't you do, basically, have the dinners and lunches, whatever, and send them to another place? You've got the kitchen, send them out to someplace else where they can do the eating.","topics_json":"[\"homelessness\"]","vector_id":"vec_seg_98719_274","created_at":"2026-10-31T06:21:40Z","speaker_name":"Fred A. Neil"},{"id":"seg_98719_275","meeting_id":"98719","media_asset_id":"med_98719_69e35d5dc574a0f3","agenda_item_id":null,"speaker_id":"off_fred_a_neil","speaker_confidence":0.95,"start_sec":7301.2,"end_sec":7310.42,"text":"They don't have to do that. The education, they can go elsewhere. You've just heard the Councilman, Dr. Sudler, say there are other places.","topics_json":"[\"education\",\"community\"]","vector_id":"vec_seg_98719_275","created_at":"2026-10-31T06:21:40Z","speaker_name":"Fred A. Neil"},{"id":"seg_98719_276","meeting_id":"98719","media_asset_id":"med_98719_69e35d5dc574a0f3","agenda_item_id":null,"speaker_id":"off_fred_a_neil","speaker_confidence":0.95,"start_sec":7310.42,"end_sec":7321.23,"text":"Neighborhood Good Partners has a place right down the street. Terrific place, really set up nicely. Lots of places to do that. It doesn't have to be there where it's destroying the homes and the lives of the people who are there,","topics_json":"[\"housing\",\"community\"]","vector_id":"vec_seg_98719_276","created_at":"2026-10-31T06:21:40Z","speaker_name":"Fred A. Neil"},{"id":"seg_98719_277","meeting_id":"98719","media_asset_id":"med_98719_69e35d5dc574a0f3","agenda_item_id":null,"speaker_id":"off_fred_a_neil","speaker_confidence":0.95,"start_sec":7321.23,"end_sec":7334.27,"text":"who live there. And you can't deny that it's not there, because it's there. It's here, it's here, it's here. I yield.","topics_json":"[\"community\"]","vector_id":"vec_seg_98719_277","created_at":"2026-10-31T06:21:40Z","speaker_name":"Fred A. Neil"},{"id":"seg_98719_278","meeting_id":"98719","media_asset_id":"med_98719_69e35d5dc574a0f3","agenda_item_id":null,"speaker_id":"spk_98719_pastor_hodge","speaker_confidence":0.9,"start_sec":7334.27,"end_sec":7341.79,"text":"Yes, sir. I, I could write seven pages too. In fact, I've written a few books. But just because it's on paper doesn't mean that it is factually correct.","topics_json":"[\"community\"]","vector_id":"vec_seg_98719_278","created_at":"2026-10-31T06:21:40Z","speaker_name":"Pastor Hodge"},{"id":"seg_98719_279","meeting_id":"98719","media_asset_id":"med_98719_69e35d5dc574a0f3","agenda_item_id":null,"speaker_id":"off_fred_a_neil","speaker_confidence":0.9,"start_sec":7341.79,"end_sec":7345.05,"text":"I believe they're facts verified by the people who are there.","topics_json":"[\"community\"]","vector_id":"vec_seg_98719_279","created_at":"2026-10-31T06:21:40Z","speaker_name":"Fred A. Neil"},{"id":"seg_98719_28","meeting_id":"98719","media_asset_id":"med_98719_69e35d5dc574a0f3","agenda_item_id":null,"speaker_id":"spk_98719_linda_parkowski","speaker_confidence":0.9,"start_sec":836.33,"end_sec":841.87,"text":"Is our area well positioned for future industry trends? Next slide.","topics_json":"[\"business\"]","vector_id":"vec_seg_98719_28","created_at":"2026-10-31T06:21:40Z","speaker_name":"Linda Parkowski"},{"id":"seg_98719_280","meeting_id":"98719","media_asset_id":"med_98719_69e35d5dc574a0f3","agenda_item_id":null,"speaker_id":"spk_98719_pastor_hodge","speaker_confidence":0.9,"start_sec":7345.05,"end_sec":7366.13,"text":"Please, if you would allow me to finish If you would allow me to finish answering the question and, and ask Mr. Stafford to come. The issue is that the folks in that neighborhood are not likely to walk across the highway to Blue Hen Mall to get a service.","topics_json":"[\"community\",\"homelessness\"]","vector_id":"vec_seg_98719_280","created_at":"2026-10-31T06:21:40Z","speaker_name":"Pastor Hodge"},{"id":"seg_98719_281","meeting_id":"98719","media_asset_id":"med_98719_69e35d5dc574a0f3","agenda_item_id":null,"speaker_id":"spk_98719_pastor_hodge","speaker_confidence":0.9,"start_sec":7366.13,"end_sec":7385.2,"text":"But if it's there, because when there's trauma, there's a, a psychological mechanism by which people feel safe only in their neighborhood. They're not going to walk across the highway to Blue Hen Mall to have an interview with somebody to do an assessment. But if there's somebody there from the Department of Labor to conduct a readiness assessment,","topics_json":"[\"homelessness\",\"public_safety\"]","vector_id":"vec_seg_98719_281","created_at":"2026-10-31T06:21:40Z","speaker_name":"Pastor Hodge"},{"id":"seg_98719_282","meeting_id":"98719","media_asset_id":"med_98719_69e35d5dc574a0f3","agenda_item_id":null,"speaker_id":"spk_98719_pastor_hodge","speaker_confidence":0.9,"start_sec":7385.2,"end_sec":7397.68,"text":"then that's much more likely. And so the situation of inproving We could do this work, or we could just leave and then see what's the neighborhood is like.","topics_json":"[\"community\"]","vector_id":"vec_seg_98719_282","created_at":"2026-10-31T06:21:40Z","speaker_name":"Pastor Hodge"},{"id":"seg_98719_283","meeting_id":"98719","media_asset_id":"med_98719_69e35d5dc574a0f3","agenda_item_id":null,"speaker_id":"spk_98719_pastor_hodge","speaker_confidence":0.9,"start_sec":7397.68,"end_sec":7414.47,"text":"They're not going to go away because we don't have workforce development. They're still going to be there. But I want to ask for confirmation. Maybe what I've said is not correct. Is it true that having a satellite spot for the Department of Labor would access some population that would not otherwise","topics_json":"[\"budget\",\"community\"]","vector_id":"vec_seg_98719_283","created_at":"2026-10-31T06:21:40Z","speaker_name":"Pastor Hodge"},{"id":"seg_98719_284","meeting_id":"98719","media_asset_id":"med_98719_69e35d5dc574a0f3","agenda_item_id":null,"speaker_id":"spk_98719_pastor_hodge","speaker_confidence":0.9,"start_sec":7414.47,"end_sec":7418.24,"text":"go to Blue Hen Mall? Does that make sense to you, sir?","topics_json":"[\"community\"]","vector_id":"vec_seg_98719_284","created_at":"2026-10-31T06:21:40Z","speaker_name":"Pastor Hodge"},{"id":"seg_98719_285","meeting_id":"98719","media_asset_id":"med_98719_69e35d5dc574a0f3","agenda_item_id":null,"speaker_id":"spk_98719_harold_stafford","speaker_confidence":0.9,"start_sec":7418.24,"end_sec":7419.95,"text":"Yeah.","topics_json":"[]","vector_id":"vec_seg_98719_285","created_at":"2026-10-31T06:21:40Z","speaker_name":"Harold Stafford"},{"id":"seg_98719_286","meeting_id":"98719","media_asset_id":"med_98719_69e35d5dc574a0f3","agenda_item_id":null,"speaker_id":"spk_98719_harold_stafford","speaker_confidence":0.9,"start_sec":7419.95,"end_sec":7438.13,"text":"Good evening. My name is Harold Stafford. I'm the co-founder of a company here in Dover. Most of you are familiar with it, is the HELP Initiative. We've been in existence for about 9 years, and I serve as the board president and also the government relations director for, for the HELP Initiative.","topics_json":"[\"community\"]","vector_id":"vec_seg_98719_286","created_at":"2026-10-31T06:21:40Z","speaker_name":"Harold Stafford"},{"id":"seg_98719_287","meeting_id":"98719","media_asset_id":"med_98719_69e35d5dc574a0f3","agenda_item_id":null,"speaker_id":"spk_98719_harold_stafford","speaker_confidence":0.9,"start_sec":7438.13,"end_sec":7454.94,"text":"We've provided services to many, many, many citizens of Dover. We headquartered our company in Dover when it was formed, first town that we worked in, first city in the state of Delaware. We've now been to over 20,000 residents providing the services that we provide with our company.","topics_json":"[\"community\"]","vector_id":"vec_seg_98719_287","created_at":"2026-10-31T06:21:40Z","speaker_name":"Harold Stafford"},{"id":"seg_98719_288","meeting_id":"98719","media_asset_id":"med_98719_69e35d5dc574a0f3","agenda_item_id":null,"speaker_id":"spk_98719_harold_stafford","speaker_confidence":0.9,"start_sec":7454.94,"end_sec":7474.36,"text":"I uh am not here uh in the capacity of Secretary of Labor. That was a job that I had several years ago, and I was very honored and privileged to have the opportunity to serve in that capacity. But let me just speak uh to uh this whole workforce development issue.","topics_json":"[\"business\"]","vector_id":"vec_seg_98719_288","created_at":"2026-10-31T06:21:40Z","speaker_name":"Harold Stafford"},{"id":"seg_98719_289","meeting_id":"98719","media_asset_id":"med_98719_69e35d5dc574a0f3","agenda_item_id":null,"speaker_id":"spk_98719_harold_stafford","speaker_confidence":0.9,"start_sec":7474.36,"end_sec":7484.84,"text":"Uh those of you who are old enough to remember, the former President Teddy Roosevelt said, \"The best social welfare program is a job. The best social welfare program is a job.\"","topics_json":"[\"business\"]","vector_id":"vec_seg_98719_289","created_at":"2026-10-31T06:21:40Z","speaker_name":"Harold Stafford"},{"id":"seg_98719_29","meeting_id":"98719","media_asset_id":"med_98719_69e35d5dc574a0f3","agenda_item_id":null,"speaker_id":"spk_98719_linda_parkowski","speaker_confidence":0.9,"start_sec":843.46,"end_sec":903.99,"text":"So some of the trends that we've identified are healthcare, because of our aging population, healthcare is going to always stay right there where up in one or two or three; transportation; warehousing; manufacturing; energy production; and, you know, whether we like it or not, data centers are on the table, so we might as well address that. Next slide, please.","topics_json":"[]","vector_id":"vec_seg_98719_29","created_at":"2026-10-31T06:21:40Z","speaker_name":"Linda Parkowski"},{"id":"seg_98719_290","meeting_id":"98719","media_asset_id":"med_98719_69e35d5dc574a0f3","agenda_item_id":null,"speaker_id":"spk_98719_harold_stafford","speaker_confidence":0.9,"start_sec":7484.84,"end_sec":7501.41,"text":"When Pastor Hodge approached uh our company and asked for our assistance in developing a workforce development program, we indicated that uh we would be happy to supplement what he's trying to develop. We have funding,","topics_json":"[\"business\",\"budget\"]","vector_id":"vec_seg_98719_290","created_at":"2026-10-31T06:21:40Z","speaker_name":"Harold Stafford"},{"id":"seg_98719_291","meeting_id":"98719","media_asset_id":"med_98719_69e35d5dc574a0f3","agenda_item_id":null,"speaker_id":"spk_98719_harold_stafford","speaker_confidence":0.9,"start_sec":7501.41,"end_sec":7518.85,"text":"and we've had this funding for several years now, to uh put uh pre-apprenticeship interns into work positions and also into uh training in the special trades.","topics_json":"[\"education\",\"business\"]","vector_id":"vec_seg_98719_291","created_at":"2026-10-31T06:21:40Z","speaker_name":"Harold Stafford"},{"id":"seg_98719_292","meeting_id":"98719","media_asset_id":"med_98719_69e35d5dc574a0f3","agenda_item_id":null,"speaker_id":"spk_98719_harold_stafford","speaker_confidence":0.9,"start_sec":7518.85,"end_sec":7535.44,"text":"We have agreements with all of the adult vocational schools in Delaware, and we have funding to hire these individuals, $18 an hour, put them to work on the condition that they would have to make sure that they have a particular trade that they wanted to specialize in.","topics_json":"[\"business\",\"budget\",\"education\"]","vector_id":"vec_seg_98719_292","created_at":"2026-10-31T06:21:40Z","speaker_name":"Harold Stafford"},{"id":"seg_98719_293","meeting_id":"98719","media_asset_id":"med_98719_69e35d5dc574a0f3","agenda_item_id":null,"speaker_id":"spk_98719_harold_stafford","speaker_confidence":0.9,"start_sec":7535.44,"end_sec":7545.35,"text":"Several of the people that are being serviced by the center that uh Pastor Hodge operates, we've hired many people with those kinds of backgrounds.","topics_json":"[\"business\",\"community\"]","vector_id":"vec_seg_98719_293","created_at":"2026-10-31T06:21:40Z","speaker_name":"Harold Stafford"},{"id":"seg_98719_294","meeting_id":"98719","media_asset_id":"med_98719_69e35d5dc574a0f3","agenda_item_id":null,"speaker_id":"spk_98719_harold_stafford","speaker_confidence":0.9,"start_sec":7545.35,"end_sec":7554.96,"text":"Today we had an interview of nine individuals, two of whom uh were just released from the Department of Correction. So we're we're in that space,","topics_json":"[\"business\",\"public_safety\"]","vector_id":"vec_seg_98719_294","created_at":"2026-10-31T06:21:40Z","speaker_name":"Harold Stafford"},{"id":"seg_98719_295","meeting_id":"98719","media_asset_id":"med_98719_69e35d5dc574a0f3","agenda_item_id":null,"speaker_id":"spk_98719_harold_stafford","speaker_confidence":0.9,"start_sec":7554.96,"end_sec":7573.72,"text":"trying to get people off the street so that they can begin to get the training to to be able to take care of themselves and not have our streets uh increasingly um populated by the kind of clientele that you're talking about tonight.","topics_json":"[\"homelessness\",\"business\",\"public_safety\"]","vector_id":"vec_seg_98719_295","created_at":"2026-10-31T06:21:40Z","speaker_name":"Harold Stafford"},{"id":"seg_98719_296","meeting_id":"98719","media_asset_id":"med_98719_69e35d5dc574a0f3","agenda_item_id":null,"speaker_id":"spk_98719_harold_stafford","speaker_confidence":0.9,"start_sec":7573.72,"end_sec":7590.28,"text":"The Department of Labor, uh I don't, when I was there they had eight satellite locations, trying to go into the communities where people live in order to improve the possibility of having them access the services that they offer.","topics_json":"[\"community\",\"business\"]","vector_id":"vec_seg_98719_296","created_at":"2026-10-31T06:21:40Z","speaker_name":"Harold Stafford"},{"id":"seg_98719_297","meeting_id":"98719","media_asset_id":"med_98719_69e35d5dc574a0f3","agenda_item_id":null,"speaker_id":"spk_98719_harold_stafford","speaker_confidence":0.9,"start_sec":7590.28,"end_sec":7608.08,"text":"And Pastor Hodge was looking at this location as another satellite location, because most times when we started our work here in Dover, people wouldn't even come to our office. We had to go and close off the streets,","topics_json":"[\"community\",\"business\"]","vector_id":"vec_seg_98719_297","created_at":"2026-10-31T06:21:40Z","speaker_name":"Harold Stafford"},{"id":"seg_98719_298","meeting_id":"98719","media_asset_id":"med_98719_69e35d5dc574a0f3","agenda_item_id":null,"speaker_id":"spk_98719_harold_stafford","speaker_confidence":0.9,"start_sec":7608.08,"end_sec":7616.35,"text":"and I think some of you might have been part of that at the time, where we had people would come after we'd close the streets off and try to access the services that we were trying to offer.","topics_json":"[\"community\"]","vector_id":"vec_seg_98719_298","created_at":"2026-10-31T06:21:40Z","speaker_name":"Harold Stafford"},{"id":"seg_98719_299","meeting_id":"98719","media_asset_id":"med_98719_69e35d5dc574a0f3","agenda_item_id":null,"speaker_id":"off_fred_a_neil","speaker_confidence":0.95,"start_sec":7616.35,"end_sec":7627.73,"text":"Could they operate from the Cure building, which is uh operated by the uh NC- Neighborhood Good Partners, which is just right down the street from there? Are you familiar with the Cure building?","topics_json":"[\"community\",\"zoning\"]","vector_id":"vec_seg_98719_299","created_at":"2026-10-31T06:21:40Z","speaker_name":"Fred A. Neil"},{"id":"seg_98719_3","meeting_id":"98719","media_asset_id":"med_98719_69e35d5dc574a0f3","agenda_item_id":null,"speaker_id":"off_andre_m_boggerty","speaker_confidence":0.95,"start_sec":33.37,"end_sec":35.6,"text":"Boggerty moves for the adoption of the agenda.","topics_json":"[]","vector_id":"vec_seg_98719_3","created_at":"2026-10-31T06:21:39Z","speaker_name":"Andre M. Boggerty"},{"id":"seg_98719_30","meeting_id":"98719","media_asset_id":"med_98719_69e35d5dc574a0f3","agenda_item_id":null,"speaker_id":"off_gerald_l_rocha_sr","speaker_confidence":0.95,"start_sec":903.99,"end_sec":930.52,"text":"like to see more on the growth side of road infrastructure so that we can so that we can properly um handle the traffic volume that we're looking to that's going to that's going to um manifest as we look to grow as a city, whether it's housing, whether it's industrial, that's traffic. So we have to plan for um new road systems, bypasses, and we've talked about this in different committees, the need for innovative planning when it comes to road systems. Um thank you. Thank you so much.","topics_json":"[\"zoning\",\"housing\"]","vector_id":"vec_seg_98719_30","created_at":"2026-10-31T06:21:40Z","speaker_name":"Gerald L. Rocha, Sr."},{"id":"seg_98719_300","meeting_id":"98719","media_asset_id":"med_98719_69e35d5dc574a0f3","agenda_item_id":null,"speaker_id":"spk_98719_harold_stafford","speaker_confidence":0.9,"start_sec":7627.73,"end_sec":7629.66,"text":"I'm familiar with the building. I I don't know the-","topics_json":"[\"community\"]","vector_id":"vec_seg_98719_300","created_at":"2026-10-31T06:21:40Z","speaker_name":"Harold Stafford"},{"id":"seg_98719_301","meeting_id":"98719","media_asset_id":"med_98719_69e35d5dc574a0f3","agenda_item_id":null,"speaker_id":"off_fred_a_neil","speaker_confidence":0.95,"start_sec":7629.66,"end_sec":7634.99,"text":"Very beautiful. Very nice. Lots of The Cure building is right there.","topics_json":"[\"community\"]","vector_id":"vec_seg_98719_301","created_at":"2026-10-31T06:21:40Z","speaker_name":"Fred A. Neil"},{"id":"seg_98719_302","meeting_id":"98719","media_asset_id":"med_98719_69e35d5dc574a0f3","agenda_item_id":null,"speaker_id":"spk_98719_harold_stafford","speaker_confidence":0.9,"start_sec":7634.99,"end_sec":7636.95,"text":"I'm aware of the building, yes.","topics_json":"[]","vector_id":"vec_seg_98719_302","created_at":"2026-10-31T06:21:40Z","speaker_name":"Harold Stafford"},{"id":"seg_98719_303","meeting_id":"98719","media_asset_id":"med_98719_69e35d5dc574a0f3","agenda_item_id":null,"speaker_id":"spk_98719_will_grimes","speaker_confidence":0.9,"start_sec":7636.95,"end_sec":7638.44,"text":"If I may-","topics_json":"[]","vector_id":"vec_seg_98719_303","created_at":"2026-10-31T06:21:40Z","speaker_name":"Will Grimes"},{"id":"seg_98719_304","meeting_id":"98719","media_asset_id":"med_98719_69e35d5dc574a0f3","agenda_item_id":null,"speaker_id":"off_fred_a_neil","speaker_confidence":0.95,"start_sec":7638.44,"end_sec":7639.16,"text":"Oh, hi there. How are you?","topics_json":"[]","vector_id":"vec_seg_98719_304","created_at":"2026-10-31T06:21:40Z","speaker_name":"Fred A. Neil"},{"id":"seg_98719_305","meeting_id":"98719","media_asset_id":"med_98719_69e35d5dc574a0f3","agenda_item_id":null,"speaker_id":"spk_98719_will_grimes","speaker_confidence":0.9,"start_sec":7639.16,"end_sec":7659.71,"text":"I'm well. How are you, sir? I'm Will Grimes, I'm Pastor of Solid Rock Baptist Church, and just to address your question, that's not the function of the CURE building. Um the actual first floor of that building is Restores Central Dover, and that's just our community development, community engagement, staff. Second floor is um Delaware State University,","topics_json":"[\"community\",\"education\"]","vector_id":"vec_seg_98719_305","created_at":"2026-10-31T06:21:40Z","speaker_name":"Will Grimes"},{"id":"seg_98719_306","meeting_id":"98719","media_asset_id":"med_98719_69e35d5dc574a0f3","agenda_item_id":null,"speaker_id":"off_fred_a_neil","speaker_confidence":0.95,"start_sec":7659.71,"end_sec":7660.79,"text":"I've been there.","topics_json":"[]","vector_id":"vec_seg_98719_306","created_at":"2026-10-31T06:21:40Z","speaker_name":"Fred A. Neil"},{"id":"seg_98719_307","meeting_id":"98719","media_asset_id":"med_98719_69e35d5dc574a0f3","agenda_item_id":null,"speaker_id":"spk_98719_will_grimes","speaker_confidence":0.9,"start_sec":7660.79,"end_sec":7677.64,"text":"which is their bus- exactly. So those functions are not at that location. Um if I may real quickly, I'm a preacher, so I don't want to be long, but Frederick Douglass said something that really resonates with me. He said, \"I'll unite with anyone who's doing right, and with no one who's doing wrong.\"","topics_json":"[\"community\"]","vector_id":"vec_seg_98719_307","created_at":"2026-10-31T06:21:40Z","speaker_name":"Will Grimes"},{"id":"seg_98719_308","meeting_id":"98719","media_asset_id":"med_98719_69e35d5dc574a0f3","agenda_item_id":null,"speaker_id":"spk_98719_will_grimes","speaker_confidence":0.9,"start_sec":7677.64,"end_sec":7696.3,"text":"The right thing is really creating opportunity for the most vulnerable in our community. And being part of the board, I sit on one of the work the um working groups where I've made friends with a lot of the residents here, um where we've actually come in and we really talked to the residents, because a lot of the activity that the churches are getting blamed for","topics_json":"[\"community\"]","vector_id":"vec_seg_98719_308","created_at":"2026-10-31T06:21:40Z","speaker_name":"Will Grimes"},{"id":"seg_98719_309","meeting_id":"98719","media_asset_id":"med_98719_69e35d5dc574a0f3","agenda_item_id":null,"speaker_id":"spk_98719_will_grimes","speaker_confidence":0.9,"start_sec":7696.3,"end_sec":7711.47,"text":"was there before the um community center actually started. A lot of the people that are being serviced are not people who are coming into the center to get the services. What we've learned is that we, I think someone mentioned it, we have a work uh with res- um NeighborGood Partners, we have a entrepreneur program called Launchpad Program.","topics_json":"[\"business\",\"community\"]","vector_id":"vec_seg_98719_309","created_at":"2026-10-31T06:21:40Z","speaker_name":"Will Grimes"},{"id":"seg_98719_31","meeting_id":"98719","media_asset_id":"med_98719_69e35d5dc574a0f3","agenda_item_id":null,"speaker_id":"spk_98719_linda_parkowski","speaker_confidence":0.95,"start_sec":930.52,"end_sec":931.74,"text":"I agree completely.","topics_json":"[]","vector_id":"vec_seg_98719_31","created_at":"2026-10-31T06:21:40Z","speaker_name":"Linda Parkowski"},{"id":"seg_98719_310","meeting_id":"98719","media_asset_id":"med_98719_69e35d5dc574a0f3","agenda_item_id":null,"speaker_id":"spk_98719_will_grimes","speaker_confidence":0.9,"start_sec":7711.47,"end_sec":7730.38,"text":"That program started in 2018 with NeighborGood Partners. Del State was a part, as a partner with us, they wanted to bring it to Del State, but what we found out is that the people who are part of our launcher program, the entrepreneurs, the grassroots entrepreneurs in the community, they're not going to the college.","topics_json":"[\"business\",\"education\",\"community\"]","vector_id":"vec_seg_98719_310","created_at":"2026-10-31T06:21:40Z","speaker_name":"Will Grimes"},{"id":"seg_98719_311","meeting_id":"98719","media_asset_id":"med_98719_69e35d5dc574a0f3","agenda_item_id":null,"speaker_id":"spk_98719_will_grimes","speaker_confidence":0.9,"start_sec":7730.38,"end_sec":7751.77,"text":"So the success of our program is that we brought the we brought the resources to the community, and we hold that program there. The people at the Peoples Community Church, I mean uh in that area there, are not going to a college. They're not going to DOL. They're right there, and to be able to bring those resources there to service those individuals who are there.","topics_json":"[\"community\",\"education\",\"business\"]","vector_id":"vec_seg_98719_311","created_at":"2026-10-31T06:21:40Z","speaker_name":"Will Grimes"},{"id":"seg_98719_312","meeting_id":"98719","media_asset_id":"med_98719_69e35d5dc574a0f3","agenda_item_id":null,"speaker_id":"spk_98719_will_grimes","speaker_confidence":0.9,"start_sec":7751.77,"end_sec":7768.82,"text":"And I've often said this to Dr. Hodge is that we don't do a great job at telling our story. Um there's a lot of success stories that are happening in that building there. There are people who have come in there one way, and we have seen them develop and move on, but we don't do a great enough job at telling our story.","topics_json":"[\"community\"]","vector_id":"vec_seg_98719_312","created_at":"2026-10-31T06:21:40Z","speaker_name":"Will Grimes"},{"id":"seg_98719_313","meeting_id":"98719","media_asset_id":"med_98719_69e35d5dc574a0f3","agenda_item_id":null,"speaker_id":"spk_98719_will_grimes","speaker_confidence":0.9,"start_sec":7768.82,"end_sec":7780.78,"text":"Um I'm not really here to address all the other things, but one thing I do say is that Peoples Community Center is not part of the problem, but they're taking a great stand to be a part of the solution. Thank you.","topics_json":"[\"community\"]","vector_id":"vec_seg_98719_313","created_at":"2026-10-31T06:21:40Z","speaker_name":"Will Grimes"},{"id":"seg_98719_314","meeting_id":"98719","media_asset_id":"med_98719_69e35d5dc574a0f3","agenda_item_id":null,"speaker_id":"off_fred_a_neil","speaker_confidence":0.95,"start_sec":7780.78,"end_sec":7796.01,"text":"Okay. Um I'm ready to for uh public hearing, let people who are here to talk. Um we have a number of people who have signed up. And Madam Clerk, will you please uh-","topics_json":"[]","vector_id":"vec_seg_98719_314","created_at":"2026-10-31T06:21:40Z","speaker_name":"Fred A. Neil"},{"id":"seg_98719_315","meeting_id":"98719","media_asset_id":"med_98719_69e35d5dc574a0f3","agenda_item_id":null,"speaker_id":"spk_98719_pastor_hodge","speaker_confidence":0.9,"start_sec":7796.01,"end_sec":7811.49,"text":"Um sir, I'm tempted to withdraw our application, in which case it would be unnecessary. However, um perhaps people want to know who's on the record for voting yes and voting no.","topics_json":"[\"taxes\",\"community\"]","vector_id":"vec_seg_98719_315","created_at":"2026-10-31T06:21:40Z","speaker_name":"Pastor Hodge"},{"id":"seg_98719_316","meeting_id":"98719","media_asset_id":"med_98719_69e35d5dc574a0f3","agenda_item_id":null,"speaker_id":"spk_98719_pastor_hodge","speaker_confidence":0.9,"start_sec":7811.49,"end_sec":7828.54,"text":"Um if if we have a public hearing just as a taxpayer citizen of Dover, I hope that the hearing is specifically on this application and not on any of the other many complaints that people might have.","topics_json":"[\"taxes\",\"community\"]","vector_id":"vec_seg_98719_316","created_at":"2026-10-31T06:21:40Z","speaker_name":"Pastor Hodge"},{"id":"seg_98719_317","meeting_id":"98719","media_asset_id":"med_98719_69e35d5dc574a0f3","agenda_item_id":null,"speaker_id":"off_fred_a_neil","speaker_confidence":0.95,"start_sec":7828.54,"end_sec":7844.33,"text":"I think we have to hear from the people who are from the area, who basically are extremely concerned, and therefore, it becomes that important to us because there's the people who, basically, their homes are being destroyed","topics_json":"[\"housing\",\"community\"]","vector_id":"vec_seg_98719_317","created_at":"2026-10-31T06:21:40Z","speaker_name":"Fred A. Neil"},{"id":"seg_98719_318","meeting_id":"98719","media_asset_id":"med_98719_69e35d5dc574a0f3","agenda_item_id":null,"speaker_id":"off_fred_a_neil","speaker_confidence":0.95,"start_sec":7844.33,"end_sec":7856.71,"text":"because the people who are coming, I'm not I I'm delighted that somebody is being able to leave, unfortunately, not enough of them leave, and they cause a lot of problems.","topics_json":"[\"public_safety\",\"community\"]","vector_id":"vec_seg_98719_318","created_at":"2026-10-31T06:21:40Z","speaker_name":"Fred A. Neil"},{"id":"seg_98719_319","meeting_id":"98719","media_asset_id":"med_98719_69e35d5dc574a0f3","agenda_item_id":null,"speaker_id":"off_fred_a_neil","speaker_confidence":0.95,"start_sec":7856.71,"end_sec":7871.24,"text":"And because they cause a lot of problems for the neighborhood, because they're drawn the food, there's no other reason for the food, so why should they leave for- from that? And the kitchen's got a problem, is does it not?","topics_json":"[\"homelessness\",\"community\"]","vector_id":"vec_seg_98719_319","created_at":"2026-10-31T06:21:41Z","speaker_name":"Fred A. Neil"},{"id":"seg_98719_32","meeting_id":"98719","media_asset_id":"med_98719_69e35d5dc574a0f3","agenda_item_id":null,"speaker_id":"off_gerald_l_rocha_sr","speaker_confidence":0.95,"start_sec":931.74,"end_sec":932.6,"text":"Thank you.","topics_json":"[]","vector_id":"vec_seg_98719_32","created_at":"2026-10-31T06:21:40Z","speaker_name":"Gerald L. Rocha, Sr."},{"id":"seg_98719_320","meeting_id":"98719","media_asset_id":"med_98719_69e35d5dc574a0f3","agenda_item_id":null,"speaker_id":"off_fred_a_neil","speaker_confidence":0.95,"start_sec":7871.24,"end_sec":7880.98,"text":"But in any case, I would like to hear from the people who have come here and signed up to be able to talk at- on this. So, thank you very much, and we will uh-","topics_json":"[]","vector_id":"vec_seg_98719_320","created_at":"2026-10-31T06:21:41Z","speaker_name":"Fred A. Neil"},{"id":"seg_98719_321","meeting_id":"98719","media_asset_id":"med_98719_69e35d5dc574a0f3","agenda_item_id":null,"speaker_id":"spk_98719_pastor_hodge","speaker_confidence":0.9,"start_sec":7880.98,"end_sec":7894.54,"text":"We hope that the Council considers things rationally, and, and uses facts. Some of the facts that have been mentioned simply don't don't, don't pass the test of logic. Thank you.","topics_json":"[]","vector_id":"vec_seg_98719_321","created_at":"2026-10-31T06:21:41Z","speaker_name":"Pastor Hodge"},{"id":"seg_98719_322","meeting_id":"98719","media_asset_id":"med_98719_69e35d5dc574a0f3","agenda_item_id":null,"speaker_id":"spk_98719_city_clerk","speaker_confidence":0.95,"start_sec":7896.86,"end_sec":7902.31,"text":"First public comment is for William G. Faust.","topics_json":"[]","vector_id":"vec_seg_98719_322","created_at":"2026-10-31T06:21:41Z","speaker_name":null},{"id":"seg_98719_323","meeting_id":"98719","media_asset_id":"med_98719_69e35d5dc574a0f3","agenda_item_id":null,"speaker_id":"spk_98719_william_g_faust","speaker_confidence":0.9,"start_sec":7906.47,"end_sec":7922.59,"text":"Good evening, everyone. William Faust, Dover, Delaware. Um I've got a couple concerns. One, Department of Labor, as Councilman Lewis says, has covered this, and they have deeper pockets. What happens after this grant money's gone?","topics_json":"[\"budget\",\"taxes\"]","vector_id":"vec_seg_98719_323","created_at":"2026-10-31T06:21:41Z","speaker_name":"William G. Faust"},{"id":"seg_98719_324","meeting_id":"98719","media_asset_id":"med_98719_69e35d5dc574a0f3","agenda_item_id":null,"speaker_id":"spk_98719_william_g_faust","speaker_confidence":0.9,"start_sec":7922.59,"end_sec":7941.02,"text":"That's one. Two, Dr., I mean, Dr. Sudler accurately said, we have a financial problem, we have to make hard decisions. We have a due diligence to protect our most vulnerable. Not saying that the people that are at that church aren't vulnerable, but I'm saying there was a lot of people hurting.","topics_json":"[\"budget\",\"community\"]","vector_id":"vec_seg_98719_324","created_at":"2026-10-31T06:21:41Z","speaker_name":"William G. Faust"},{"id":"seg_98719_325","meeting_id":"98719","media_asset_id":"med_98719_69e35d5dc574a0f3","agenda_item_id":null,"speaker_id":"spk_98719_william_g_faust","speaker_confidence":0.9,"start_sec":7941.02,"end_sec":7959.41,"text":"My concern, I don't think any of this money should be spent or issued out until all these accusation or black cloud has been resolved. And I'll say, you know, law enforcement, corrections. I'm assuming there'd be single parents coming with kids and everything else.","topics_json":"[\"budget\",\"public_safety\"]","vector_id":"vec_seg_98719_325","created_at":"2026-10-31T06:21:41Z","speaker_name":"William G. Faust"},{"id":"seg_98719_326","meeting_id":"98719","media_asset_id":"med_98719_69e35d5dc574a0f3","agenda_item_id":null,"speaker_id":"spk_98719_william_g_faust","speaker_confidence":0.9,"start_sec":7959.41,"end_sec":7972.95,"text":"If you have sex offenders there, isn't that kind of a conflict if you're bringing people in to get jobs, or they're, and there's a sex offender up or down? There's a safety issue to the public. And again, this is public money.","topics_json":"[\"public_safety\",\"budget\",\"taxes\"]","vector_id":"vec_seg_98719_326","created_at":"2026-10-31T06:21:41Z","speaker_name":"William G. 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Faust"},{"id":"seg_98719_328","meeting_id":"98719","media_asset_id":"med_98719_69e35d5dc574a0f3","agenda_item_id":null,"speaker_id":"spk_98719_william_g_faust","speaker_confidence":0.9,"start_sec":7991.35,"end_sec":8007.96,"text":"and I think this should be put on hold, or uh voted down, until these important questions can be answered sufficiently, or until we have from this uh our City Attorney what he thinks is saying of. Uh Council President Neil said we have seven letters saying the question?","topics_json":"[\"budget\"]","vector_id":"vec_seg_98719_328","created_at":"2026-10-31T06:21:41Z","speaker_name":"William G. Faust"},{"id":"seg_98719_329","meeting_id":"98719","media_asset_id":"med_98719_69e35d5dc574a0f3","agenda_item_id":null,"speaker_id":"off_fred_a_neil","speaker_confidence":0.95,"start_sec":8011.57,"end_sec":8014.3,"text":"17 letters.","topics_json":"[]","vector_id":"vec_seg_98719_329","created_at":"2026-10-31T06:21:41Z","speaker_name":"Fred A. Neil"},{"id":"seg_98719_33","meeting_id":"98719","media_asset_id":"med_98719_69e35d5dc574a0f3","agenda_item_id":null,"speaker_id":"off_fred_a_neil","speaker_confidence":0.95,"start_sec":932.6,"end_sec":935.53,"text":"Councilman Boggerty, followed by Councilwoman Arndt. Councilman Boggerty.","topics_json":"[]","vector_id":"vec_seg_98719_33","created_at":"2026-10-31T06:21:40Z","speaker_name":"Fred A. Neil"},{"id":"seg_98719_330","meeting_id":"98719","media_asset_id":"med_98719_69e35d5dc574a0f3","agenda_item_id":null,"speaker_id":"spk_98719_william_g_faust","speaker_confidence":0.9,"start_sec":8014.3,"end_sec":8030.06,"text":"Oh 17. That is a concern. You have 17 individuals that are articulating a concern and issue of safety or other concerns. This council has to protect us from lawsuits, from the public or from someone that get might get hurt.","topics_json":"[\"public_safety\"]","vector_id":"vec_seg_98719_330","created_at":"2026-10-31T06:21:41Z","speaker_name":"William G. 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I work in Dover, I own a bunch of real estate in Dover, but I don't get to vote for any of you,","topics_json":"[\"business\",\"housing\"]","vector_id":"vec_seg_98719_334","created_at":"2026-10-31T06:21:41Z","speaker_name":"Cameron Llewellyn"},{"id":"seg_98719_335","meeting_id":"98719","media_asset_id":"med_98719_69e35d5dc574a0f3","agenda_item_id":null,"speaker_id":"spk_98719_cameron_llewellyn","speaker_confidence":0.9,"start_sec":8065.63,"end_sec":8083,"text":"and I don't get a voice, except for right now. So um we own Tidemark Construction, Fire Tide Properties, My Roots, everybody knew My Roots, everybody know Lori open a cool little clothing boutique downtown? That thing's out of business, it's closed,","topics_json":"[\"business\"]","vector_id":"vec_seg_98719_335","created_at":"2026-10-31T06:21:41Z","speaker_name":"Cameron Llewellyn"},{"id":"seg_98719_336","meeting_id":"98719","media_asset_id":"med_98719_69e35d5dc574a0f3","agenda_item_id":null,"speaker_id":"spk_98719_cameron_llewellyn","speaker_confidence":0.9,"start_sec":8083,"end_sec":8099.99,"text":"okay? And I know you love that place because you bought shirts in there, didn't you, Dr. Sudler? Okay. So, uh we employ dozens and dozens of Delawareans, and we have a cool little building at 117 West Reed Street, and we bought that little brick building, and we moved our business in there, and it was just this cute little community.","topics_json":"[\"business\"]","vector_id":"vec_seg_98719_336","created_at":"2026-10-31T06:21:41Z","speaker_name":"Cameron Llewellyn"},{"id":"seg_98719_337","meeting_id":"98719","media_asset_id":"med_98719_69e35d5dc574a0f3","agenda_item_id":null,"speaker_id":"spk_98719_cameron_llewellyn","speaker_confidence":0.9,"start_sec":8099.99,"end_sec":8109.84,"text":"There were not drug dealers in that alley for 40 years. Not. That's incorrect. I'm also the founder of Destination Downtown Dover.","topics_json":"[\"public_safety\",\"business\"]","vector_id":"vec_seg_98719_337","created_at":"2026-10-31T06:21:41Z","speaker_name":"Cameron Llewellyn"},{"id":"seg_98719_338","meeting_id":"98719","media_asset_id":"med_98719_69e35d5dc574a0f3","agenda_item_id":null,"speaker_id":"spk_98719_cameron_llewellyn","speaker_confidence":0.9,"start_sec":8109.84,"end_sec":8116.23,"text":"You guys know what that is? Okay. What was it? Oktoberfest, History, Heritage and Hops, First Fridays, bands.","topics_json":"[\"business\",\"community\"]","vector_id":"vec_seg_98719_338","created_at":"2026-10-31T06:21:41Z","speaker_name":"Cameron Llewellyn"},{"id":"seg_98719_339","meeting_id":"98719","media_asset_id":"med_98719_69e35d5dc574a0f3","agenda_item_id":null,"speaker_id":"spk_98719_cameron_llewellyn","speaker_confidence":0.9,"start_sec":8116.23,"end_sec":8135.94,"text":"Well, we had to shut that thing down. And I don't think I need to do the math with any adults in the room as to why we had to kill that thing, right? Cuz there's no businesses on Loockerman for us to bring people to, okay? Um I'm going to skip some other junk in there cuz I'm going to save you some time. But the first question is, can","topics_json":"[\"business\",\"community\"]","vector_id":"vec_seg_98719_339","created_at":"2026-10-31T06:21:41Z","speaker_name":"Cameron Llewellyn"},{"id":"seg_98719_34","meeting_id":"98719","media_asset_id":"med_98719_69e35d5dc574a0f3","agenda_item_id":null,"speaker_id":"off_andre_m_boggerty","speaker_confidence":0.95,"start_sec":935.53,"end_sec":937.25,"text":"I will obviously yield to Councilwoman Arndt.","topics_json":"[]","vector_id":"vec_seg_98719_34","created_at":"2026-10-31T06:21:40Z","speaker_name":"Andre M. 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Boggerty"},{"id":"seg_98719_342","meeting_id":"98719","media_asset_id":"med_98719_69e35d5dc574a0f3","agenda_item_id":null,"speaker_id":"spk_98719_public_commenter","speaker_confidence":0.9,"start_sec":8146.02,"end_sec":8149.3,"text":"Don't know if he can, he's on his phone. So, he's tired of listening to me. Um,","topics_json":"[]","vector_id":"vec_seg_98719_342","created_at":"2026-10-31T06:21:41Z","speaker_name":null},{"id":"seg_98719_343","meeting_id":"98719","media_asset_id":"med_98719_69e35d5dc574a0f3","agenda_item_id":null,"speaker_id":"spk_98719_public_commenter","speaker_confidence":0.9,"start_sec":8151.82,"end_sec":8177.7,"text":"So I have a piece of paper back there that that is a pamphlet that advertises a multitude of services that this establishment offers, and I don't believe that they're licensed for any of them. We need to look into that, okay? Our business is immediately next door, and after pulling people that we thought were dead out of the bushes, people using our bushes as a bathroom, we had to rip all our landscaping out. You remember that, Dr. Hodge, when you screamed at my wife profanities because my landscaper parked in your lot? Because I have video of it.","topics_json":"[\"public_safety\",\"business\"]","vector_id":"vec_seg_98719_343","created_at":"2026-10-31T06:21:41Z","speaker_name":null},{"id":"seg_98719_344","meeting_id":"98719","media_asset_id":"med_98719_69e35d5dc574a0f3","agenda_item_id":null,"speaker_id":"off_andre_m_boggerty","speaker_confidence":0.95,"start_sec":8177.77,"end_sec":8221.74,"text":"Excuse me, I'm sorry. Excuse me for a second. Um, if, if, if, if I can be recognized. I think, um, our City Manager, I think, I don't think he heard, heard us. But, um, he can answer your question, he's a planner by, by, um, Mr. Cameron, the City Manager, he can answer your question, he's a planner.","topics_json":"[\"zoning\"]","vector_id":"vec_seg_98719_344","created_at":"2026-10-31T06:21:41Z","speaker_name":"Andre M. Boggerty"},{"id":"seg_98719_345","meeting_id":"98719","media_asset_id":"med_98719_69e35d5dc574a0f3","agenda_item_id":null,"speaker_id":"spk_98719_public_commenter","speaker_confidence":0.9,"start_sec":8221.82,"end_sec":8229.76,"text":"Can, can you permit that use? If we were to say that they're going to do a workforce development, can it be in that zoning? Is it, is it even an approved use?","topics_json":"[\"zoning\"]","vector_id":"vec_seg_98719_345","created_at":"2026-10-31T06:21:41Z","speaker_name":null},{"id":"seg_98719_346","meeting_id":"98719","media_asset_id":"med_98719_69e35d5dc574a0f3","agenda_item_id":null,"speaker_id":"off_andre_m_boggerty","speaker_confidence":0.95,"start_sec":8230.14,"end_sec":8234.72,"text":"The zoning, can you refer to the rezoning for the public again, the, the, the zoning you're referring to?","topics_json":"[\"zoning\"]","vector_id":"vec_seg_98719_346","created_at":"2026-10-31T06:21:41Z","speaker_name":"Andre M. Boggerty"},{"id":"seg_98719_347","meeting_id":"98719","media_asset_id":"med_98719_69e35d5dc574a0f3","agenda_item_id":null,"speaker_id":"spk_98719_public_commenter","speaker_confidence":0.9,"start_sec":8233.5,"end_sec":8234.26,"text":"The RG-1.","topics_json":"[\"zoning\"]","vector_id":"vec_seg_98719_347","created_at":"2026-10-31T06:21:41Z","speaker_name":null},{"id":"seg_98719_348","meeting_id":"98719","media_asset_id":"med_98719_69e35d5dc574a0f3","agenda_item_id":null,"speaker_id":"spk_98719_david_cameron","speaker_confidence":0.9,"start_sec":8235.48,"end_sec":8292.13,"text":"Uh, it's a business activity. Uh, if the zoning is, uh, allows for, um, small businesses, home occupations, that kind of thing, yes, it would be no different than, um, an insurance office or something of that nature. Um, I don't have the zoning book in front of me, so I'm not sure I want to try and guess at what the zoning specifically says, but under the assumption that that, yeah, it was a properly zoned area for that type of activity, yeah, it could it could it would be a permissible use. Is that, um,","topics_json":"[\"zoning\",\"business\"]","vector_id":"vec_seg_98719_348","created_at":"2026-10-31T06:21:41Z","speaker_name":"David Cameron"},{"id":"seg_98719_349","meeting_id":"98719","media_asset_id":"med_98719_69e35d5dc574a0f3","agenda_item_id":null,"speaker_id":"off_andre_m_boggerty","speaker_confidence":0.95,"start_sec":8292.51,"end_sec":8293.58,"text":"Thank, thank you.","topics_json":"[]","vector_id":"vec_seg_98719_349","created_at":"2026-10-31T06:21:41Z","speaker_name":"Andre M. Boggerty"},{"id":"seg_98719_35","meeting_id":"98719","media_asset_id":"med_98719_69e35d5dc574a0f3","agenda_item_id":null,"speaker_id":"off_tricia_k_arndt","speaker_confidence":0.95,"start_sec":937.25,"end_sec":938.1,"text":"Thank you.","topics_json":"[]","vector_id":"vec_seg_98719_35","created_at":"2026-10-31T06:21:40Z","speaker_name":"Tricia K. Arndt"},{"id":"seg_98719_350","meeting_id":"98719","media_asset_id":"med_98719_69e35d5dc574a0f3","agenda_item_id":null,"speaker_id":"spk_98719_public_commenter","speaker_confidence":0.9,"start_sec":8293.65,"end_sec":8295.1,"text":"Okay. Thank you.","topics_json":"[]","vector_id":"vec_seg_98719_350","created_at":"2026-10-31T06:21:41Z","speaker_name":null},{"id":"seg_98719_351","meeting_id":"98719","media_asset_id":"med_98719_69e35d5dc574a0f3","agenda_item_id":null,"speaker_id":"spk_98719_public_commenter","speaker_confidence":0.9,"start_sec":8296.63,"end_sec":8446.18,"text":"So, um, so our business is directly across from the fire hall. And after some of the activities, we installed a very sophisticated, uh, camera system, and there's a monitor about the size of that thing. Got 33 seconds left, rock and roll. Um, we, um, we see everything that happens, okay? And for context, my wife was a human resources manager for two different addiction recovery services. So in order to do the amount of services that are on that pamphlet, they'd need four parking lots the size of the one they have for all the staff that were providing those services. We don't believe there's any services. Um, what we do see is a multitude of individuals being dropped off at this community center, and my wife talks to them. This is what she did for a living. I can't do it, cuz I see the despair in their eyes. I took two and a half months for the you guys to answer my, uh, request for zoning verification. I'm taking another minute. Um, these people walk in there and they think they're going to overcome their opioid addiction, and there's no program. And then they get released onto the streets of downtown Dover. They have no family, no friends, no support network, and they wind up living in those drug houses because they didn't get any treatment when they first got there. Hey, we're going to help you out. We're going to tell you to go over there and get some help, but there's no help. So now we're concentrating all these people right next to where my wife had her cool little shop. People aren't coming in there. We had to close it down because people that show up at that center the next day, we're finding them in the bushes behind our building and we have to call the paramedics because they got a needle hanging out of their arm and they look like they're dead. So that's what really happens, and I invite everybody in this room to come and sit in that office and watch what really happens, okay? It's This is a scam. We need to audit their finances. We need to look at their books, because when","topics_json":"[\"homelessness\",\"public_safety\",\"business\"]","vector_id":"vec_seg_98719_351","created_at":"2026-10-31T06:21:41Z","speaker_name":null},{"id":"seg_98719_352","meeting_id":"98719","media_asset_id":"med_98719_69e35d5dc574a0f3","agenda_item_id":null,"speaker_id":"spk_98719_public_commenter","speaker_confidence":0.9,"start_sec":8446.25,"end_sec":8448.77,"text":"How much does a stained glass window cost, Brian? Do you know?","topics_json":"[]","vector_id":"vec_seg_98719_352","created_at":"2026-10-31T06:21:41Z","speaker_name":null},{"id":"seg_98719_353","meeting_id":"98719","media_asset_id":"med_98719_69e35d5dc574a0f3","agenda_item_id":null,"speaker_id":"off_brian_e_lewis","speaker_confidence":0.95,"start_sec":8449.08,"end_sec":8450.99,"text":"These days, probably a substantial amount of money.","topics_json":"[]","vector_id":"vec_seg_98719_353","created_at":"2026-10-31T06:21:41Z","speaker_name":"Brian E. Lewis"},{"id":"seg_98719_354","meeting_id":"98719","media_asset_id":"med_98719_69e35d5dc574a0f3","agenda_item_id":null,"speaker_id":"spk_98719_public_commenter","speaker_confidence":0.9,"start_sec":8451.06,"end_sec":8469.15,"text":"Yeah. We put all new stained glass windows in the church. Where did that money come from? We've got 30 parishioners in there. 30, that's a three with a zero after it. You can't put stained glass windows in a building with passing the basket around to 30 people. So let's do the math and let's figure out what the heck is going on there. And for God's sake, let me get my wife's business back going, okay?","topics_json":"[\"business\"]","vector_id":"vec_seg_98719_354","created_at":"2026-10-31T06:21:41Z","speaker_name":null},{"id":"seg_98719_355","meeting_id":"98719","media_asset_id":"med_98719_69e35d5dc574a0f3","agenda_item_id":null,"speaker_id":"off_andre_m_boggerty","speaker_confidence":0.9,"start_sec":8469.23,"end_sec":8470.6,"text":"Thank you, sir.","topics_json":"[]","vector_id":"vec_seg_98719_355","created_at":"2026-10-31T06:21:41Z","speaker_name":"Andre M. Boggerty"},{"id":"seg_98719_356","meeting_id":"98719","media_asset_id":"med_98719_69e35d5dc574a0f3","agenda_item_id":null,"speaker_id":"spk_98719_public_commenter","speaker_confidence":0.9,"start_sec":8469.54,"end_sec":8472.05,"text":"I ran over. Thanks for the extra minute. Love you all.","topics_json":"[]","vector_id":"vec_seg_98719_356","created_at":"2026-10-31T06:21:41Z","speaker_name":null},{"id":"seg_98719_357","meeting_id":"98719","media_asset_id":"med_98719_69e35d5dc574a0f3","agenda_item_id":null,"speaker_id":"spk_98719_city_clerk","speaker_confidence":0.95,"start_sec":8472.97,"end_sec":8475.34,"text":"Pauline Demange, are you speaking on this?","topics_json":"[]","vector_id":"vec_seg_98719_357","created_at":"2026-10-31T06:21:41Z","speaker_name":null},{"id":"seg_98719_358","meeting_id":"98719","media_asset_id":"med_98719_69e35d5dc574a0f3","agenda_item_id":null,"speaker_id":"spk_98719_city_clerk","speaker_confidence":0.95,"start_sec":8481.98,"end_sec":8483.66,"text":"Uh, Andrea Freud?","topics_json":"[]","vector_id":"vec_seg_98719_358","created_at":"2026-10-31T06:21:41Z","speaker_name":null},{"id":"seg_98719_359","meeting_id":"98719","media_asset_id":"med_98719_69e35d5dc574a0f3","agenda_item_id":null,"speaker_id":"spk_98719_andrea_freud","speaker_confidence":0.95,"start_sec":8524.04,"end_sec":8525.87,"text":"Good evening. Council President Neil,","topics_json":"[]","vector_id":"vec_seg_98719_359","created_at":"2026-10-31T06:21:41Z","speaker_name":"Andrea Freud"},{"id":"seg_98719_36","meeting_id":"98719","media_asset_id":"med_98719_69e35d5dc574a0f3","agenda_item_id":null,"speaker_id":"off_tricia_k_arndt","speaker_confidence":0.95,"start_sec":938.1,"end_sec":941.32,"text":"Uh excellent presentation. I'm glad you ended with some good news. I was starting to get a little worried there.","topics_json":"[]","vector_id":"vec_seg_98719_36","created_at":"2026-10-31T06:21:40Z","speaker_name":"Tricia K. Arndt"},{"id":"seg_98719_360","meeting_id":"98719","media_asset_id":"med_98719_69e35d5dc574a0f3","agenda_item_id":null,"speaker_id":"off_fred_a_neil","speaker_confidence":0.95,"start_sec":8524.73,"end_sec":8525.64,"text":"Good evening.","topics_json":"[]","vector_id":"vec_seg_98719_360","created_at":"2026-10-31T06:21:41Z","speaker_name":"Fred A. Neil"},{"id":"seg_98719_361","meeting_id":"98719","media_asset_id":"med_98719_69e35d5dc574a0f3","agenda_item_id":null,"speaker_id":"spk_98719_andrea_freud","speaker_confidence":0.95,"start_sec":8527.09,"end_sec":8857.86,"text":"Councilwoman Pillsbury, Councilwoman Hall, Councilman Boggerty, Councilman Anderson, Councilwoman Arndt, Councilman Lewis, Councilman Sudler, and, um, everyone here. Um, I'm My name is Andrea Freud. I'm a lifelong resident of South Bradford Street. I've had the pleasure of working with several of the council members and talking to several of them at times about this. I spent some time on the Mayor's Unsheltered Working Group in 2024, going to meetings, um, for more Thursday nights than I would have ever wanted. Um, my purpose in that, um, and I worked with Ms. Smack, I know she's here. Well, she was here at one There she was. And I and I was with her. And we had a lot of good things we talked about that that. It, unfortunately, it didn't go anywhere. Um, and I'm here today just to I as a re- resident of South Bradford Street, and I have a have a lot of things that I wanted to say. And there's a lot that to have to unpack after today, what what I've heard today. Um, you know, I want to say I want to agree with Council with Pastor Hodge that we are all in the same place. We're all on the same team. This is a Dover issue. It's a Dover by Dover so we could try to solve this housing problem, the homeless problem, the the drug addiction I work for the Superior Court. I'm a Superior Court Commissioner for Kent County. I've been doing it for 32 years, and you know, so I see the mental illness up front. I do involuntary commitments. I do drug court. I do mental health court. I know the problems, okay? That's one of the reasons I went to those unsheltered working, because I thought I could bring some help to them and my perspective. Um, but I'm really here, you know, today as a citizen on South Bradford Street, and I want to say that I don't know I Pastor Hodge, I believe he's been here since 2020, um, as as the pastor here. Uh, I may be wrong, but I think that's correct. Um, I've been living on South Bradford Street since I was two, okay? I moved back here in 1987 after I graduated law school, and bought bought moved into my home where I grew up, and bought it from my mom in 1992. And I can tell you there has never at one point or another been the level of addicts, prostitutes, and and things in the neighborhood. And it and it, uh, I will admit that it was there was a slow decline that was happening for years. You know, I'm I remember 10 years ago, 15 years ago, my husband and I would think nothing about walking downtown to go to the Golden Fleece Tavern to see Todd Stonesifer and his band play a show there. We'd walk down there. I would never walk down there. As a matter of fact, when I go home tonight, the only reason I'm I'll be able to park and walk there is cuz my son came with me. If I come home from a law meeting at night, 8:00 at night, I will not walk down the block. I had security cameras. There's people up and down all the time, and it has gotten progressively worse since 2023. That is when myself and some of my other neighbors here started getting to, \"What's happened? Why has this gotten so bad? What has happened to our neighborhood in the past few years?\" And it's that I think that coincides fairly close to when the People's Community Center started opening it. And yes, I understand Reverend Grimes saying and and our former Labor Secretary saying that they people have to come to the program, and we're putting it here because the people here My question is, the people those people weren't here before that happened. And it's gotten progressively worse. I think we need to the city needs to step up and try to solve these problems and do something about it, and try to get help to these people that need it, but not at the expense of homeowners who've been here for years. And Reverend Grimes was at that meeting in September and he saw. My neighborhood is not a wealthy neighborhood, okay? I mean, I'm living there because it's my home and I love it, and I would never move. But a lot of people in my neighborhood, it's a lower middle-income cl- class neighborhood. We're not a bunch of wealthy people that are, you know, complaining about this. They're people I've got a we've got an Oxford House across the street that I've made, my we've all made friends with several of the people there. One guy, Reggie, he's he's got a he's, uh, God love him, he's a great guy. But, you know, and he's been clean and sober for a long time, but he wants to get out of there because so many of the other young guys in that house are are overdosing or going back and because they're all this other drug trip trapment there. And it was not this bad. It has not been this bad for 40 years. And I I would swear on a stack of Bibles I have lived here and I have walked those streets and I used to walk all the time from my house up to Holy Cross to go to mass in the morning. I won't My husband won't let me do it now. Because of it. This summer got so bad,","topics_json":"[\"homelessness\",\"housing\",\"public_safety\"]","vector_id":"vec_seg_98719_361","created_at":"2026-10-31T06:21:41Z","speaker_name":"Andrea Freud"},{"id":"seg_98719_362","meeting_id":"98719","media_asset_id":"med_98719_69e35d5dc574a0f3","agenda_item_id":null,"speaker_id":"off_fred_a_neil","speaker_confidence":0.95,"start_sec":8857.79,"end_sec":8861.53,"text":"I believe that, uh, we have Reggie's Oxford House?","topics_json":"[\"housing\"]","vector_id":"vec_seg_98719_362","created_at":"2026-10-31T06:21:41Z","speaker_name":"Fred A. 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And as we were sitting out in front of the hall before we went in, I overheard a young man talking to his girlfriend's mother about how they were going to plot to, uh, make the the boy had to be there with his mom. His mom he didn't want to tell his mom. So this other woman agreed to act as his mom. And as an officer of the court, I felt obligated to tell the judge what was going on. Um, today, through no fault of my own, I happened to be sitting right in front of Pastor Hodge, and I I sorry, I overheard him say to Reverend Grimes that there was a member of the committee that have been on the board who is thinking about running for mayor who had resigned from the board, and I believe he said he thought he could help them better when he was not on the board. So I bring that to your concern about the concerns with, um, with the, uh, the impropriety of perhaps voting, um. I, as an officer of the court, I know I always have to recuse myself when I when I have any conflict of interest. I don't know whether I have no idea whether Councilman Anderson said that. And I he may not have, and he may have and he and he may because I think Councilman Anderson is a good man, and I've met with him and I've met with him at the People's Church where we met, and I think he cares about this town. And so I don't know whether I mis- whether I misheard it or what. But I do think there is a appearance of impropriety, um, under these circumstances that I think, for the good of the community, um, I would well, I'm not going to recommend anything, because I'm a member of the judiciary, but that's the last thing I wanted to say. And I thank you for your time. I have I I I could go on for hours about this. And if any of you wish to talk to me, I would be happy to spend time talking to you. A lot of my neighbors don't feel comfortable coming here. Um, they just they don't they don't they don't have the they're not public speakers. They work, they have little kids, they don't want to do that. But I I There's a video from the guy at the at the Chapel Arms of a woman giving fellatio to a man in broad daylight in right behind their building. And another one of two women scouting out and taking a dump in front of the window. Now, I know they'll say that they're not that they'll say that they're not for them. It is. I I can tell you, as someone that lives there, it is a magnet. It is, and and we have to figure out a way to solve this where we can get these people the help, but not in a residential zone where it's a burden on us. We should not have to bear all this burden. So thank you very much for your time. I appreciate it, and as I said,","topics_json":"[\"homelessness\",\"public_safety\",\"zoning\"]","vector_id":"vec_seg_98719_364","created_at":"2026-10-31T06:21:41Z","speaker_name":"Andrea Freud"},{"id":"seg_98719_365","meeting_id":"98719","media_asset_id":"med_98719_69e35d5dc574a0f3","agenda_item_id":null,"speaker_id":"off_andre_m_boggerty","speaker_confidence":0.95,"start_sec":8931.68,"end_sec":8957.56,"text":"Councilman Boggerty. Stand by. Um, as a matter of fairness, I thank you and I hear your heart. As a matter of fairness and consistency, we have enforced our three minutes. Stand by. Um, we have enforced our three minutes in other hearings, and while we allow time, there is a methodology where somebody want to take and yield their time. But, um, I want to make sure that we're firm, fair, consistent, and not just this hearing, but all hearings, um, for my public. So unless you're completely done or unless there's somebody who's willing to approach and yield time.","topics_json":"[]","vector_id":"vec_seg_98719_365","created_at":"2026-10-31T06:21:41Z","speaker_name":"Andre M. Boggerty"},{"id":"seg_98719_366","meeting_id":"98719","media_asset_id":"med_98719_69e35d5dc574a0f3","agenda_item_id":null,"speaker_id":"spk_98719_andrea_freud","speaker_confidence":0.95,"start_sec":8957.64,"end_sec":8960.62,"text":"I I'm done. I I I I, but I do ask all of you if you have any questions,","topics_json":"[]","vector_id":"vec_seg_98719_366","created_at":"2026-10-31T06:21:41Z","speaker_name":"Andrea Freud"},{"id":"seg_98719_367","meeting_id":"98719","media_asset_id":"med_98719_69e35d5dc574a0f3","agenda_item_id":null,"speaker_id":"off_andre_m_boggerty","speaker_confidence":0.95,"start_sec":8960.69,"end_sec":8961.68,"text":"Or or","topics_json":"[]","vector_id":"vec_seg_98719_367","created_at":"2026-10-31T06:21:41Z","speaker_name":"Andre M. Boggerty"},{"id":"seg_98719_368","meeting_id":"98719","media_asset_id":"med_98719_69e35d5dc574a0f3","agenda_item_id":null,"speaker_id":"spk_98719_andrea_freud","speaker_confidence":0.95,"start_sec":8961.45,"end_sec":8962.52,"text":"feel free to call me.","topics_json":"[]","vector_id":"vec_seg_98719_368","created_at":"2026-10-31T06:21:41Z","speaker_name":"Andrea Freud"},{"id":"seg_98719_369","meeting_id":"98719","media_asset_id":"med_98719_69e35d5dc574a0f3","agenda_item_id":null,"speaker_id":"off_andre_m_boggerty","speaker_confidence":0.95,"start_sec":8962.52,"end_sec":8969.78,"text":"Or as, uh, the one of the most senior council members, Dr. Sudler said, we can suspend rules. But understand she understand you're done. And thank you for your, thank you for your service.","topics_json":"[]","vector_id":"vec_seg_98719_369","created_at":"2026-10-31T06:21:41Z","speaker_name":"Andre M. 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Thank you.","topics_json":"[]","vector_id":"vec_seg_98719_371","created_at":"2026-10-31T06:21:41Z","speaker_name":"Andre M. Boggerty"},{"id":"seg_98719_372","meeting_id":"98719","media_asset_id":"med_98719_69e35d5dc574a0f3","agenda_item_id":null,"speaker_id":"off_andre_m_boggerty","speaker_confidence":0.95,"start_sec":8976.72,"end_sec":8980,"text":"All right. President Neil, um, um, thank you for acknowledging me.","topics_json":"[]","vector_id":"vec_seg_98719_372","created_at":"2026-10-31T06:21:41Z","speaker_name":"Andre M. Boggerty"},{"id":"seg_98719_373","meeting_id":"98719","media_asset_id":"med_98719_69e35d5dc574a0f3","agenda_item_id":null,"speaker_id":"off_fred_a_neil","speaker_confidence":0.95,"start_sec":8980.31,"end_sec":8981.38,"text":"Our next speaker?","topics_json":"[]","vector_id":"vec_seg_98719_373","created_at":"2026-10-31T06:21:41Z","speaker_name":"Fred A. 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I think you guys have an issue that is way bigger. The city of Dover has had this issue for a very long time. And just Saturday, we and we have been, matter of fact, Miss Baker can tell you, we've been on her road many times picking, you've seen us picking up trash on in in your area. And one of the things that we saw when we were in that area, we picked up trash from Bradford, Governors, and Reed. Not only and all of it, Pastor, um, saying Pastor, uh, Dr. Sudler,","topics_json":"[\"homelessness\",\"public_safety\"]","vector_id":"vec_seg_98719_378","created_at":"2026-10-31T06:21:41Z","speaker_name":"Cheryl Paul"},{"id":"seg_98719_379","meeting_id":"98719","media_asset_id":"med_98719_69e35d5dc574a0f3","agenda_item_id":null,"speaker_id":"off_roy_sudler_jr","speaker_confidence":0.95,"start_sec":9033.9,"end_sec":9034.66,"text":"Come on now.","topics_json":"[]","vector_id":"vec_seg_98719_379","created_at":"2026-10-31T06:21:41Z","speaker_name":"Roy Sudler, Jr."},{"id":"seg_98719_38","meeting_id":"98719","media_asset_id":"med_98719_69e35d5dc574a0f3","agenda_item_id":null,"speaker_id":"off_tricia_k_arndt","speaker_confidence":0.95,"start_sec":942.61,"end_sec":943.25,"text":"It's a lot of negative.","topics_json":"[]","vector_id":"vec_seg_98719_38","created_at":"2026-10-31T06:21:40Z","speaker_name":"Tricia K. 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I think what is happening, and we have to understand that when you go through and understand, New Street had this issue right there at Holy Trinity. Of course, we had to go and we had to enforce as community to make these people move. So you don't see this activity on New Street as you saw it uh a couple of years ago.","topics_json":"[\"homelessness\",\"public_safety\"]","vector_id":"vec_seg_98719_382","created_at":"2026-10-31T06:21:41Z","speaker_name":"Ms. Paul"},{"id":"seg_98719_383","meeting_id":"98719","media_asset_id":"med_98719_69e35d5dc574a0f3","agenda_item_id":null,"speaker_id":"spk_98719_ms_paul","speaker_confidence":0.95,"start_sec":9067.2,"end_sec":9099.78,"text":"You know, and that took us, me myself personally, other people in the area, to go, \"Look, I need you to get off the property.\" And and everybody doesn't have that same ability, everybody doesn't have that same force, everybody doesn't have the same credibility in the community to be able to go talk to people from different levels and different walks of life. But I do have that ability to do that, so I was able to go and deter those people away from the church because you're creating issues for the church now.","topics_json":"[\"homelessness\",\"public_safety\"]","vector_id":"vec_seg_98719_383","created_at":"2026-10-31T06:21:41Z","speaker_name":"Ms. Paul"},{"id":"seg_98719_384","meeting_id":"98719","media_asset_id":"med_98719_69e35d5dc574a0f3","agenda_item_id":null,"speaker_id":"spk_98719_ms_paul","speaker_confidence":0.95,"start_sec":9100.1,"end_sec":9149.88,"text":"So we can get them, but then you start seeing them move. So they went from New Street, and then they went to Reed Street, and they're shifting. So when they left from Reed Street, then they're on Governors. Now what we witnessed on Saturday and we had 7 1/2 bags of garbage, contractor bags, 50-gallon bags of garbage, and what we witnessed on Saturday, and we started at 8:00 in the morning, what we witnessed was a individual, and and George is here, he can tell you, what we witnessed","topics_json":"[\"homelessness\",\"public_safety\"]","vector_id":"vec_seg_98719_384","created_at":"2026-10-31T06:21:41Z","speaker_name":"Ms. Paul"},{"id":"seg_98719_385","meeting_id":"98719","media_asset_id":"med_98719_69e35d5dc574a0f3","agenda_item_id":null,"speaker_id":"spk_98719_ms_paul","speaker_confidence":0.95,"start_sec":9170.27,"end_sec":9190.08,"text":"was an individual smoking crack on the sidewalk. What we witnessed was individuals actually going through shooting up. And a lot of things of which we picked up were the meals that they actually get from, you know, from their lunches and things that are served. 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One of the things that we did when I worked at People's Place shelter, with me working as a residential aide, during that time in the evening when I came in, we had to literally our people had to show us were they were gainfully looking for employment, were they were actually or in or or got them into the GED program, and we literally gave them that that that information, that nudge.","topics_json":"[\"homelessness\",\"housing\"]","vector_id":"vec_seg_98719_386","created_at":"2026-10-31T06:21:41Z","speaker_name":"Ms. Paul"},{"id":"seg_98719_387","meeting_id":"98719","media_asset_id":"med_98719_69e35d5dc574a0f3","agenda_item_id":null,"speaker_id":"spk_98719_ms_paul","speaker_confidence":0.95,"start_sec":9270.25,"end_sec":9293.87,"text":"And then they had programs that you had to have them sign up for that would transition them. Now it wasn't just housing, they had we had listings for room for rent, things of that nature, to where we got them jobs. And I was a very big part of getting them those jobs to get them out, do you understand what I'm saying, to get them out into the workforce so they could have be able to afford to at least have a roof over their heads.","topics_json":"[\"homelessness\",\"housing\"]","vector_id":"vec_seg_98719_387","created_at":"2026-10-31T06:21:41Z","speaker_name":"Ms. Paul"},{"id":"seg_98719_388","meeting_id":"98719","media_asset_id":"med_98719_69e35d5dc574a0f3","agenda_item_id":null,"speaker_id":"spk_98719_ms_paul","speaker_confidence":0.95,"start_sec":9294.84,"end_sec":9342.19,"text":"I think the issue right now the money that they're asking for, it doesn't make sense. It has to make sense right now. So with regards to the the workforce develop this because actually with this workforce development, we're going to be honest, you have to have money so you can get birth certificates, you have to have money so they can have driver's licenses. Are they providing this funding? You have to have the resources, so if the City of Dover is going to invest in something,","topics_json":"[\"budget\",\"homelessness\",\"business\"]","vector_id":"vec_seg_98719_388","created_at":"2026-10-31T06:21:41Z","speaker_name":"Ms. Paul"},{"id":"seg_98719_389","meeting_id":"98719","media_asset_id":"med_98719_69e35d5dc574a0f3","agenda_item_id":null,"speaker_id":"spk_98719_ms_paul","speaker_confidence":0.95,"start_sec":9364.44,"end_sec":9398.84,"text":"I think they need to invest that portion of the grant funding into actually being able to help. Now with regards to the other portion as far as the services that are being offered, I think it's time to go back to the basics with regards to the services that you're offering within the facility. 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George, you, for the record, Council President, you yielded your, you yield your time to Ms. Paul? Thank you.","topics_json":"[\"budget\"]","vector_id":"vec_seg_98719_391","created_at":"2026-10-31T06:21:41Z","speaker_name":"Andre M. Boggerty"},{"id":"seg_98719_392","meeting_id":"98719","media_asset_id":"med_98719_69e35d5dc574a0f3","agenda_item_id":null,"speaker_id":"spk_98719_ms_paul","speaker_confidence":0.95,"start_sec":9446.77,"end_sec":9487.81,"text":"Okay. And so I think what it is we need to make sure that the resources that were that were giving out, because I mean $300,000 is a lot of money, so I and I understand, you know, people on this street and I'm I literally went down this street and I talked to the residents on Bradford and some of them are here, and it's not a it's not a lie, it's not a mystery, what they're saying is really things that are happening. You have runners that are running their drugs, you know, they're not it's not one hand, you know, you got one person going to pick up the money, the other person going to deliver the drugs, the other person going, you know, they really have and I've had myself where where you literally have people that are, you know, having sex in public","topics_json":"[\"budget\",\"homelessness\",\"public_safety\"]","vector_id":"vec_seg_98719_392","created_at":"2026-10-31T06:21:41Z","speaker_name":"Ms. Paul"},{"id":"seg_98719_393","meeting_id":"98719","media_asset_id":"med_98719_69e35d5dc574a0f3","agenda_item_id":null,"speaker_id":"spk_98719_ms_paul","speaker_confidence":0.95,"start_sec":9488.17,"end_sec":9539.93,"text":"and they are and they may you can say that they're not patronizing, you know, certain establishments. But let's be realistic, we have a issue in in a as a whole. One of the things and that was what your mobile substation was supposed to be taking care of. And and because you have this issue and it has not been it hasn't been initiated, you're going to continue on having the same issue. Why? Because we are not doing anything to stop it. One of the things that you have to understand is these people that live on this street,","topics_json":"[\"public_safety\",\"homelessness\"]","vector_id":"vec_seg_98719_393","created_at":"2026-10-31T06:21:41Z","speaker_name":"Ms. Paul"},{"id":"seg_98719_394","meeting_id":"98719","media_asset_id":"med_98719_69e35d5dc574a0f3","agenda_item_id":null,"speaker_id":"spk_98719_ms_paul","speaker_confidence":0.95,"start_sec":9543.55,"end_sec":9575.08,"text":"they have a right to be able to protect their homes, but at the same time, I understand where the pastor is giving a service. Why? Because that's what churches do. We have to figure out a happy medium, and we can't go through and punish people that are homeless, but what we can do is make sure that we give them criterias to meet if they're going to utilize the services. And I think that's where we have to come to a happy medium and figure out what it is we're going to do as a community.","topics_json":"[\"homelessness\",\"public_safety\"]","vector_id":"vec_seg_98719_394","created_at":"2026-10-31T06:21:41Z","speaker_name":"Ms. Paul"},{"id":"seg_98719_395","meeting_id":"98719","media_asset_id":"med_98719_69e35d5dc574a0f3","agenda_item_id":null,"speaker_id":"spk_98719_ms_paul","speaker_confidence":0.95,"start_sec":9575.18,"end_sec":9618.36,"text":"But the first thing we need to do is get the crime rate under control, and the next thing you need to do is make sure you do what you promised. You promised us as constituents that you were going to set this mobile substation up. I don't think that we would have some of these issues right now and that that would have gotten as bad as it has if we went through and did what we said we were going to do. And that's on you guys to go through and bring it up.","topics_json":"[\"public_safety\",\"budget\"]","vector_id":"vec_seg_98719_395","created_at":"2026-10-31T06:21:41Z","speaker_name":"Ms. Paul"},{"id":"seg_98719_396","meeting_id":"98719","media_asset_id":"med_98719_69e35d5dc574a0f3","agenda_item_id":null,"speaker_id":"off_fred_a_neil","speaker_confidence":0.95,"start_sec":9619.47,"end_sec":9620.37,"text":"Thank you.","topics_json":"[]","vector_id":"vec_seg_98719_396","created_at":"2026-10-31T06:21:41Z","speaker_name":"Fred A. Neil"},{"id":"seg_98719_397","meeting_id":"98719","media_asset_id":"med_98719_69e35d5dc574a0f3","agenda_item_id":null,"speaker_id":"off_fred_a_neil","speaker_confidence":0.95,"start_sec":9624,"end_sec":9634.27,"text":"That is the last of our regular our speakers. Does anybody else want to speak on this uh subject?","topics_json":"[]","vector_id":"vec_seg_98719_397","created_at":"2026-10-31T06:21:41Z","speaker_name":"Fred A. Neil"},{"id":"seg_98719_398","meeting_id":"98719","media_asset_id":"med_98719_69e35d5dc574a0f3","agenda_item_id":null,"speaker_id":"off_fred_a_neil","speaker_confidence":0.95,"start_sec":9635.61,"end_sec":9638.56,"text":"If not, we have a motion on the floor.","topics_json":"[]","vector_id":"vec_seg_98719_398","created_at":"2026-10-31T06:21:41Z","speaker_name":"Fred A. Neil"},{"id":"seg_98719_399","meeting_id":"98719","media_asset_id":"med_98719_69e35d5dc574a0f3","agenda_item_id":null,"speaker_id":"off_fred_a_neil","speaker_confidence":0.95,"start_sec":9639.33,"end_sec":9641.05,"text":"Yes uh Councilman Anderson.","topics_json":"[]","vector_id":"vec_seg_98719_399","created_at":"2026-10-31T06:21:41Z","speaker_name":"Fred A. 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Arndt"},{"id":"seg_98719_400","meeting_id":"98719","media_asset_id":"med_98719_69e35d5dc574a0f3","agenda_item_id":null,"speaker_id":"off_david_l_anderson","speaker_confidence":0.95,"start_sec":9641.58,"end_sec":9677.21,"text":"Oh, thank you, Mr. President. One of the things I I do agree with um quite frankly with uh a lot of what Ms. Paul said is that this this council voted for a downtown policing unit, and we've yet to it get any motion on it. Um something you know something's got to happen. It That was a professional recommendation. Uh that's not something we came up with, but it was a professional recommendation from our police department.","topics_json":"[\"public_safety\"]","vector_id":"vec_seg_98719_400","created_at":"2026-10-31T06:21:41Z","speaker_name":"David L. Anderson"},{"id":"seg_98719_401","meeting_id":"98719","media_asset_id":"med_98719_69e35d5dc574a0f3","agenda_item_id":null,"speaker_id":"off_roy_sudler_jr","speaker_confidence":0.95,"start_sec":9677.71,"end_sec":9683.08,"text":"No. No. No. No. No, because I I I brought that up many years ago. I brought that up, mobile mini station. It wasn't from the police department. Councilman, you give me my props on that now.","topics_json":"[\"public_safety\"]","vector_id":"vec_seg_98719_401","created_at":"2026-10-31T06:21:41Z","speaker_name":"Roy Sudler, Jr."},{"id":"seg_98719_402","meeting_id":"98719","media_asset_id":"med_98719_69e35d5dc574a0f3","agenda_item_id":null,"speaker_id":"off_david_l_anderson","speaker_confidence":0.95,"start_sec":9683.08,"end_sec":9685.85,"text":"Well, you you brought up uh for a for a mobile You did bring up a mobile police station.","topics_json":"[\"public_safety\"]","vector_id":"vec_seg_98719_402","created_at":"2026-10-31T06:21:41Z","speaker_name":"David L. 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And that was their professional recommendation, and and it has yet to happen. Um and uh","topics_json":"[\"public_safety\",\"budget\"]","vector_id":"vec_seg_98719_404","created_at":"2026-10-31T06:21:41Z","speaker_name":"David L. Anderson"},{"id":"seg_98719_405","meeting_id":"98719","media_asset_id":"med_98719_69e35d5dc574a0f3","agenda_item_id":null,"speaker_id":"off_david_l_anderson","speaker_confidence":0.95,"start_sec":9720.72,"end_sec":9772.15,"text":"I definitely hope that in the next budget if before we be approving things that we we make that happen because that is a if because that that's just a a basic function. Uh we we do need uh encourage neighborhood watches and other neighborhoods uh and that's uh important. But I I think at at this particular time, um I I also do think that, yeah, looking at a program like this actually helps solve the problem, not create the problem.","topics_json":"[\"budget\",\"public_safety\"]","vector_id":"vec_seg_98719_405","created_at":"2026-10-31T06:21:41Z","speaker_name":"David L. Anderson"},{"id":"seg_98719_406","meeting_id":"98719","media_asset_id":"med_98719_69e35d5dc574a0f3","agenda_item_id":null,"speaker_id":"off_david_l_anderson","speaker_confidence":0.95,"start_sec":9772.54,"end_sec":9816.4,"text":"Um I I think that's important. I I think uh this program is already doing licenses and things and already exists because it it has other grant funding that covers most of the program. Um I I do um think that uh it would probably be wise um if um for the applicant to with uh draw the f- at this time while these issues are there, because it's a lot easier to um reapply if something isn't voted down. Um","topics_json":"[\"budget\"]","vector_id":"vec_seg_98719_406","created_at":"2026-10-31T06:21:41Z","speaker_name":"David L. Anderson"},{"id":"seg_98719_407","meeting_id":"98719","media_asset_id":"med_98719_69e35d5dc574a0f3","agenda_item_id":null,"speaker_id":"off_david_l_anderson","speaker_confidence":0.95,"start_sec":9816.64,"end_sec":9820.93,"text":"but uh that's what I would hope would happen, but um","topics_json":"[]","vector_id":"vec_seg_98719_407","created_at":"2026-10-31T06:21:41Z","speaker_name":"David L. 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And this the the study's going on right now. And hopefully we'll have it completed by the end of summer. They were in um in-market for two full days. We went up and down the county, and they have done probably 35 or more interviews with people. Um you know, your town manager was was um was interviewed, but they have and then they did do some people from DelDOT and stuff. So um they have gotten a lot of really good information. They are going to look at new land that should be that could be set aside, but they are looking at some of the areas. We took them to a lot of sites that could be redeveloped. 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Boggerty"},{"id":"seg_98719_413","meeting_id":"98719","media_asset_id":"med_98719_69e35d5dc574a0f3","agenda_item_id":null,"speaker_id":"off_david_l_anderson","speaker_confidence":0.95,"start_sec":9841.31,"end_sec":9852.99,"text":"And and um and uh and me still having the floor, an applicant can withdraw an application, which would make it moot, would and can withdraw an application at any time before a vote.","topics_json":"[]","vector_id":"vec_seg_98719_413","created_at":"2026-10-31T06:21:41Z","speaker_name":"David L. Anderson"},{"id":"seg_98719_414","meeting_id":"98719","media_asset_id":"med_98719_69e35d5dc574a0f3","agenda_item_id":null,"speaker_id":"off_fred_a_neil","speaker_confidence":0.95,"start_sec":9856.22,"end_sec":9857.99,"text":"I I'll call the vote.","topics_json":"[]","vector_id":"vec_seg_98719_414","created_at":"2026-10-31T06:21:41Z","speaker_name":"Fred A. 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So Mr. Neil moved to remove the item from the agenda, however we have already had it, and deny the request. So I'm not sure if we want to amend that.","topics_json":"[]","vector_id":"vec_seg_98719_419","created_at":"2026-10-31T06:21:41Z","speaker_name":null},{"id":"seg_98719_42","meeting_id":"98719","media_asset_id":"med_98719_69e35d5dc574a0f3","agenda_item_id":null,"speaker_id":"off_tricia_k_arndt","speaker_confidence":0.95,"start_sec":1048.46,"end_sec":1049.46,"text":"Thank you. I yield.","topics_json":"[]","vector_id":"vec_seg_98719_42","created_at":"2026-10-31T06:21:40Z","speaker_name":"Tricia K. Arndt"},{"id":"seg_98719_420","meeting_id":"98719","media_asset_id":"med_98719_69e35d5dc574a0f3","agenda_item_id":null,"speaker_id":"off_fred_a_neil","speaker_confidence":0.95,"start_sec":9890.52,"end_sec":9900.29,"text":"Now we're questioning the application uh submitted by the People's uh Community Center, located within the People's Church, for Economic Development Funds, be denied at this time.","topics_json":"[\"budget\"]","vector_id":"vec_seg_98719_420","created_at":"2026-10-31T06:21:41Z","speaker_name":"Fred A. Neil"},{"id":"seg_98719_421","meeting_id":"98719","media_asset_id":"med_98719_69e35d5dc574a0f3","agenda_item_id":null,"speaker_id":"off_roy_sudler_jr","speaker_confidence":0.95,"start_sec":9903.31,"end_sec":9909.33,"text":"I have a question. If it is denied at this time, they do have an opportunity to bring it back and what's the time what's the period?","topics_json":"[]","vector_id":"vec_seg_98719_421","created_at":"2026-10-31T06:21:41Z","speaker_name":"Roy Sudler, Jr."},{"id":"seg_98719_422","meeting_id":"98719","media_asset_id":"med_98719_69e35d5dc574a0f3","agenda_item_id":null,"speaker_id":"off_fred_a_neil","speaker_confidence":0.95,"start_sec":9909.89,"end_sec":9910.83,"text":"Correct.","topics_json":"[]","vector_id":"vec_seg_98719_422","created_at":"2026-10-31T06:21:41Z","speaker_name":"Fred A. 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We need the workers, and we need to be able to to place the workers near where the work is located.","topics_json":"[\"housing\",\"business\"]","vector_id":"vec_seg_98719_62","created_at":"2026-10-31T06:21:40Z","speaker_name":"Linda Parkowski"},{"id":"seg_98719_63","meeting_id":"98719","media_asset_id":"med_98719_69e35d5dc574a0f3","agenda_item_id":null,"speaker_id":"off_david_l_anderson","speaker_confidence":0.95,"start_sec":1294.05,"end_sec":1294.84,"text":"Right.","topics_json":"[]","vector_id":"vec_seg_98719_63","created_at":"2026-10-31T06:21:40Z","speaker_name":"David L. Anderson"},{"id":"seg_98719_64","meeting_id":"98719","media_asset_id":"med_98719_69e35d5dc574a0f3","agenda_item_id":null,"speaker_id":"off_david_l_anderson","speaker_confidence":0.95,"start_sec":1294.84,"end_sec":1352.48,"text":"So, what type of Pardon me. 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Now, now when it comes to uh uh I think the some of the best money we spend, I think the best $50,000 we spend is with KEP uh is because there there's been so much capital investment brought into the city, and new tax revenue, new uh uh electric, water, etc. Uh when it comes to the the next step in in jobs, what where do you see you you had a certain target before, has that changed or adjusted any? Uh where where are we, what are we looking for next?","topics_json":"[\"budget\",\"taxes\",\"business\"]","vector_id":"vec_seg_98719_66","created_at":"2026-10-31T06:21:40Z","speaker_name":"David L. Anderson"},{"id":"seg_98719_67","meeting_id":"98719","media_asset_id":"med_98719_69e35d5dc574a0f3","agenda_item_id":null,"speaker_id":"spk_98719_linda_parkowski","speaker_confidence":0.95,"start_sec":1440.59,"end_sec":1496.59,"text":"We're we're looking for, I'm hoping that we can really start working on the area by the um airport. And that whole East Dover industrial area. Um I'm hoping that that becomes the next large project for um Dover and the county. And then, you know, we have quite a few industrial parks that are in different stages throughout the county. You know, we have some in Smyrna, we have Milford, we have Harrington, and Garrison is going to be done, so we need to get another one going here in Dover as soon as we possibly can.","topics_json":"[\"business\",\"zoning\"]","vector_id":"vec_seg_98719_67","created_at":"2026-10-31T06:21:40Z","speaker_name":"Linda Parkowski"},{"id":"seg_98719_68","meeting_id":"98719","media_asset_id":"med_98719_69e35d5dc574a0f3","agenda_item_id":null,"speaker_id":"off_david_l_anderson","speaker_confidence":0.95,"start_sec":1496.59,"end_sec":1498.52,"text":"Thank you. I yield, Mr. President.","topics_json":"[]","vector_id":"vec_seg_98719_68","created_at":"2026-10-31T06:21:40Z","speaker_name":"David L. 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Neil"},{"id":"seg_98719_70","meeting_id":"98719","media_asset_id":"med_98719_69e35d5dc574a0f3","agenda_item_id":null,"speaker_id":"off_fred_a_neil","speaker_confidence":0.95,"start_sec":1500.52,"end_sec":1502.17,"text":"None? Linda, I have them.","topics_json":"[]","vector_id":"vec_seg_98719_70","created_at":"2026-10-31T06:21:40Z","speaker_name":"Fred A. Neil"},{"id":"seg_98719_71","meeting_id":"98719","media_asset_id":"med_98719_69e35d5dc574a0f3","agenda_item_id":null,"speaker_id":"off_fred_a_neil","speaker_confidence":0.95,"start_sec":1502.17,"end_sec":1573.04,"text":"And I'm into housing. And I have been into housing. I'm into housing for low-income and fixed-income individuals. And it really isn't Kent Economic Development. This is a state legislative issue. We can't keep apartments. The city has on its books 740 apartment dwellings. 358 out in the Scarborough area, 216 on Leipsic Road called The Edge. Tonight we're looking at the old Berry Van properties which has uh 240 proposed, this doesn't isn't on the books quite yet, plus a whole slew of of townhouses that they want to build there. The problem with the rentals is that the the people who are rent","topics_json":"[\"housing\",\"zoning\"]","vector_id":"vec_seg_98719_71","created_at":"2026-10-31T06:21:40Z","speaker_name":"Fred A. Neil"},{"id":"seg_98719_72","meeting_id":"98719","media_asset_id":"med_98719_69e35d5dc574a0f3","agenda_item_id":null,"speaker_id":"off_fred_a_neil","speaker_confidence":0.95,"start_sec":1574.12,"end_sec":1601.08,"text":"Continually, uh what happens is that you bring in, whether it's through Fannie Mae or Freddie Mac or any other source, for seniors, IHOP programs, for low-income, in order to have those properties. The tenants pay off that loan. Then equity, private equity comes in, or it's sold someplace else, and guess what? The tenants pay off the next loan at a higher rate. And then it's sold again. And it's same thing goes on and on.","topics_json":"[\"housing\"]","vector_id":"vec_seg_98719_72","created_at":"2026-10-31T06:21:40Z","speaker_name":"Fred A. Neil"},{"id":"seg_98719_73","meeting_id":"98719","media_asset_id":"med_98719_69e35d5dc574a0f3","agenda_item_id":null,"speaker_id":"off_fred_a_neil","speaker_confidence":0.95,"start_sec":1601.08,"end_sec":1623.53,"text":"We need rent justification, and we need it particularly for those low-income and uh fixed-income people. The low-income people are part of the workforce. And we need this desperately. And we need to get the legislature to suddenly wake up, you can't do that. Now, I've been I went after uh to find out uh Fannie Mae and Freddie Mac, which is hard to get through,","topics_json":"[\"housing\"]","vector_id":"vec_seg_98719_73","created_at":"2026-10-31T06:21:40Z","speaker_name":"Fred A. Neil"},{"id":"seg_98719_74","meeting_id":"98719","media_asset_id":"med_98719_69e35d5dc574a0f3","agenda_item_id":null,"speaker_id":"off_fred_a_neil","speaker_confidence":0.95,"start_sec":1623.53,"end_sec":1641.7,"text":"uh to find out what they're doing and what they require. And basically they require that anybody who's taking these income these loans that is designed for housing, must obey what the state says they have to do. Now, rent justification is really the answer. Rent justification is exactly what we do with utility rates. They deserve a profit, absolutely, no question about it.","topics_json":"[\"housing\"]","vector_id":"vec_seg_98719_74","created_at":"2026-10-31T06:21:40Z","speaker_name":"Fred A. Neil"},{"id":"seg_98719_75","meeting_id":"98719","media_asset_id":"med_98719_69e35d5dc574a0f3","agenda_item_id":null,"speaker_id":"off_fred_a_neil","speaker_confidence":0.95,"start_sec":1641.7,"end_sec":1667.66,"text":"But it basically has to be based on what they're actually spending. And anytime you add another $250 or $300 uh to the the rent, all of a sudden, these people can't afford it anymore. So, there's a lot of affordable housing if you've got a lot of money in it. So what do we do to get the state legislature to suddenly wake up and put apartments and others that are meant for the low-income and the fixed-income people to be able to keep that rent down where they really can afford it? What can we do?","topics_json":"[\"housing\"]","vector_id":"vec_seg_98719_75","created_at":"2026-10-31T06:21:40Z","speaker_name":"Fred A. Neil"},{"id":"seg_98719_76","meeting_id":"98719","media_asset_id":"med_98719_69e35d5dc574a0f3","agenda_item_id":null,"speaker_id":"spk_98719_linda_parkowski","speaker_confidence":0.95,"start_sec":1667.8,"end_sec":1685.18,"text":"That's a that's a really good question, you know, and I think, uh you know, I think there there's multiple levels to that question, and I, you know, I would start with your local legislators and see if there's anyone there that would be your champion, that would take take on that. I mean, have you spoken to, you know, the local legislators?","topics_json":"[\"housing\"]","vector_id":"vec_seg_98719_76","created_at":"2026-10-31T06:21:40Z","speaker_name":"Linda Parkowski"},{"id":"seg_98719_77","meeting_id":"98719","media_asset_id":"med_98719_69e35d5dc574a0f3","agenda_item_id":null,"speaker_id":"off_fred_a_neil","speaker_confidence":0.95,"start_sec":1685.18,"end_sec":1686.4,"text":"Well, you know I do.","topics_json":"[]","vector_id":"vec_seg_98719_77","created_at":"2026-10-31T06:21:40Z","speaker_name":"Fred A. Neil"},{"id":"seg_98719_78","meeting_id":"98719","media_asset_id":"med_98719_69e35d5dc574a0f3","agenda_item_id":null,"speaker_id":"spk_98719_linda_parkowski","speaker_confidence":0.95,"start_sec":1686.4,"end_sec":1686.97,"text":"I know.","topics_json":"[]","vector_id":"vec_seg_98719_78","created_at":"2026-10-31T06:21:40Z","speaker_name":"Linda Parkowski"},{"id":"seg_98719_79","meeting_id":"98719","media_asset_id":"med_98719_69e35d5dc574a0f3","agenda_item_id":null,"speaker_id":"off_fred_a_neil","speaker_confidence":0.95,"start_sec":1686.97,"end_sec":1718.44,"text":"I've done it on a continual basis. And one of the things that's very difficult is when you have um the uh the people who are running the apartments and are dealing in the real estate industry are are putting a lot of money into those campaign coffers. And basically, you're trying to get through and say, wait a minute, you can't do this if you can't make what is supposed to be quote affordable housing and keep it down to where people who don't have that income coming in, or are basically on the low level, to be able to help them. As long as it gets sold to the next person, that next person puts that loan on top of the loan that was first one, and no one... it continues on and on. So...","topics_json":"[\"housing\"]","vector_id":"vec_seg_98719_79","created_at":"2026-10-31T06:21:40Z","speaker_name":"Fred A. Neil"},{"id":"seg_98719_8","meeting_id":"98719","media_asset_id":"med_98719_69e35d5dc574a0f3","agenda_item_id":null,"speaker_id":"off_fred_a_neil","speaker_confidence":0.95,"start_sec":56.45,"end_sec":113.88,"text":"No, we do not have Council Reports this time. [laughter] Presentations: Future Trends in Zoning and Economic Development from uh Mrs. Parkowski, Executive Director Linda Parkowski, Kent Economic Partnership. And welcome.","topics_json":"[\"zoning\",\"business\"]","vector_id":"vec_seg_98719_8","created_at":"2026-10-31T06:21:40Z","speaker_name":"Fred A. Neil"},{"id":"seg_98719_80","meeting_id":"98719","media_asset_id":"med_98719_69e35d5dc574a0f3","agenda_item_id":null,"speaker_id":"spk_98719_linda_parkowski","speaker_confidence":0.95,"start_sec":1718.44,"end_sec":1722.8,"text":"The um, you know, there there is a task force. They have the affordable housing task force in the leg-","topics_json":"[\"housing\"]","vector_id":"vec_seg_98719_80","created_at":"2026-10-31T06:21:40Z","speaker_name":"Linda Parkowski"},{"id":"seg_98719_81","meeting_id":"98719","media_asset_id":"med_98719_69e35d5dc574a0f3","agenda_item_id":null,"speaker_id":"off_fred_a_neil","speaker_confidence":0.95,"start_sec":1722.8,"end_sec":1723.66,"text":"I've been on it.","topics_json":"[\"housing\"]","vector_id":"vec_seg_98719_81","created_at":"2026-10-31T06:21:40Z","speaker_name":"Fred A. 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Well, get them to, I mean, get them to introduce some legislation.","topics_json":"[\"housing\"]","vector_id":"vec_seg_98719_84","created_at":"2026-10-31T06:21:40Z","speaker_name":"Linda Parkowski"},{"id":"seg_98719_85","meeting_id":"98719","media_asset_id":"med_98719_69e35d5dc574a0f3","agenda_item_id":null,"speaker_id":"off_fred_a_neil","speaker_confidence":0.95,"start_sec":1728.74,"end_sec":1741.11,"text":"Yeah. We talk about housing all the time, but this never really gets part of the conversation. So I'm introducing it here and I'll let you go because you're doing a great job. Love you, love what economic development has done. It has been a tremendous multiplier of force, and thank you very much.","topics_json":"[\"housing\",\"business\"]","vector_id":"vec_seg_98719_85","created_at":"2026-10-31T06:21:40Z","speaker_name":"Fred A. 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Neil"},{"id":"seg_98719_9","meeting_id":"98719","media_asset_id":"med_98719_69e35d5dc574a0f3","agenda_item_id":null,"speaker_id":"spk_98719_linda_parkowski","speaker_confidence":0.9,"start_sec":114.77,"end_sec":115.93,"text":"A clicker?","topics_json":"[]","vector_id":"vec_seg_98719_9","created_at":"2026-10-31T06:21:40Z","speaker_name":"Linda Parkowski"},{"id":"seg_98719_90","meeting_id":"98719","media_asset_id":"med_98719_69e35d5dc574a0f3","agenda_item_id":null,"speaker_id":"spk_98719_joe_simmons","speaker_confidence":0.95,"start_sec":1758.63,"end_sec":1775.8,"text":"Good evening to the council. Uh my name is Joe Simmons, IT Director for the City of Dover. 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Uh this is a more of a discussion um about, you know, what direction we're going and, you know, what we need to do um to bring some light into the situation.","topics_json":"[]","vector_id":"vec_seg_98719_91","created_at":"2026-10-31T06:21:40Z","speaker_name":"Joe Simmons"},{"id":"seg_98719_92","meeting_id":"98719","media_asset_id":"med_98719_69e35d5dc574a0f3","agenda_item_id":null,"speaker_id":"spk_98719_joe_simmons","speaker_confidence":0.95,"start_sec":1794.03,"end_sec":1807.98,"text":"But before I bring him up, um I've just got a statement to make um about the system. And first, I want to say City Hall council chambers space is not a space, you know. 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And I think now is a turning point, basically.","topics_json":"[]","vector_id":"vec_seg_98719_96","created_at":"2026-10-31T06:21:40Z","speaker_name":"Joe Simmons"},{"id":"seg_98719_97","meeting_id":"98719","media_asset_id":"med_98719_69e35d5dc574a0f3","agenda_item_id":null,"speaker_id":"spk_98719_joe_simmons","speaker_confidence":0.9,"start_sec":1829.87,"end_sec":1837.66,"text":"So what I'm trying to say is that I think that the can has been kicked down the road, and at this point right now, it needs to be addressed, okay?","topics_json":"[]","vector_id":"vec_seg_98719_97","created_at":"2026-10-31T06:21:40Z","speaker_name":"Joe Simmons"},{"id":"seg_98719_98","meeting_id":"98719","media_asset_id":"med_98719_69e35d5dc574a0f3","agenda_item_id":null,"speaker_id":"spk_98719_joe_simmons","speaker_confidence":0.9,"start_sec":1837.66,"end_sec":1843.57,"text":"Our AV system was installed over many years ago. Incremental patches and quick fixes has turned into a fragile system.","topics_json":"[]","vector_id":"vec_seg_98719_98","created_at":"2026-10-31T06:21:40Z","speaker_name":"Joe Simmons"},{"id":"seg_98719_99","meeting_id":"98719","media_asset_id":"med_98719_69e35d5dc574a0f3","agenda_item_id":null,"speaker_id":"spk_98719_joe_simmons","speaker_confidence":0.9,"start_sec":1843.57,"end_sec":1882.33,"text":"Equipment becomes difficult to service, compatibility issues, growing spare parts, staff rely on workarounds instead of solutions. If you haven't noticed yet, we're missing a camera. One of our cameras doesn't work no more. That camera's 12 years old.","topics_json":"[]","vector_id":"vec_seg_98719_99","created_at":"2026-10-31T06:21:40Z","speaker_name":"Joe Simmons"},{"id":"seg_98807_1","meeting_id":"98807","media_asset_id":"med_98807_fb4bb6dac6c4b7de","agenda_item_id":null,"speaker_id":"off_fred_a_neil","speaker_confidence":0.95,"start_sec":0,"end_sec":4.28,"text":"We have before you the evening agenda and I'll entertain a motion for its adoption. Councilwoman Arndt?","topics_json":"[]","vector_id":"vec_seg_98807_1","created_at":"2026-10-31T05:09:13Z","speaker_name":"Fred A. Neil"},{"id":"seg_98807_10","meeting_id":"98807","media_asset_id":"med_98807_fb4bb6dac6c4b7de","agenda_item_id":null,"speaker_id":"off_brian_e_lewis","speaker_confidence":0.9,"start_sec":68.93,"end_sec":69.74,"text":"Lewis seconds.","topics_json":"[]","vector_id":"vec_seg_98807_10","created_at":"2026-10-31T05:09:13Z","speaker_name":"Brian E. 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So, we believe, while it's not direct directly spent on crime prevention, it will have an effect on crime prevention.","topics_json":"[\"public_safety\",\"budget\",\"business\"]","vector_id":"vec_seg_98807_102","created_at":"2026-10-31T05:09:13Z","speaker_name":"Todd Stonesifer"},{"id":"seg_98807_103","meeting_id":"98807","media_asset_id":"med_98807_fb4bb6dac6c4b7de","agenda_item_id":null,"speaker_id":"spk_98807_diane_laird","speaker_confidence":0.9,"start_sec":2322.49,"end_sec":2324.29,"text":"Yeah, I'd also like to say","topics_json":"[]","vector_id":"vec_seg_98807_103","created_at":"2026-10-31T05:09:13Z","speaker_name":"Diane Laird"},{"id":"seg_98807_104","meeting_id":"98807","media_asset_id":"med_98807_fb4bb6dac6c4b7de","agenda_item_id":null,"speaker_id":"off_brian_e_lewis","speaker_confidence":0.95,"start_sec":2324.29,"end_sec":2340.19,"text":"I beg I'd beg to differ, but I figured I would ask you about uh the money as far as being allocated to assist with public safety, but I understand, you know, since it's coming from the state, um you have to follow the guidelines, etc. But I figured I would ask because the money is coming in.","topics_json":"[\"public_safety\",\"budget\"]","vector_id":"vec_seg_98807_104","created_at":"2026-10-31T05:09:13Z","speaker_name":"Brian E. 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It would be irresponsible for us to go out of our lane and try to do safety or try to do legal or try to do social services. While those are all the pillars of of the revitalization, uh the chief here has the expertise and the the mandate to address safety. If there are ways we can partner, we've done it before and we'll do it again. And if there are opportunities that you see that we we may be able to initiate that, we're happy to to take that on.","topics_json":"[\"public_safety\",\"business\"]","vector_id":"vec_seg_98807_106","created_at":"2026-10-31T05:09:14Z","speaker_name":"Diane Laird"},{"id":"seg_98807_107","meeting_id":"98807","media_asset_id":"med_98807_fb4bb6dac6c4b7de","agenda_item_id":null,"speaker_id":"off_fred_a_neil","speaker_confidence":0.95,"start_sec":2395.89,"end_sec":2399.99,"text":"Okay, I have no further questions. Councilman Rocha.","topics_json":"[]","vector_id":"vec_seg_98807_107","created_at":"2026-10-31T05:09:14Z","speaker_name":"Fred A. 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And I I think I was in Gaithersburg, Maryland, and I saw how and I'm wondering if we have it in our plans, when we block off the street, um instead of using the orange um—","topics_json":"[\"business\"]","vector_id":"vec_seg_98807_108","created_at":"2026-10-31T05:09:14Z","speaker_name":"Gerald L. Rocha, Sr."},{"id":"seg_98807_109","meeting_id":"98807","media_asset_id":"med_98807_fb4bb6dac6c4b7de","agenda_item_id":null,"speaker_id":"spk_98807_diane_laird","speaker_confidence":0.9,"start_sec":2455.79,"end_sec":2456.99,"text":"Cones and barrels.","topics_json":"[]","vector_id":"vec_seg_98807_109","created_at":"2026-10-31T05:09:14Z","speaker_name":"Diane Laird"},{"id":"seg_98807_11","meeting_id":"98807","media_asset_id":"med_98807_fb4bb6dac6c4b7de","agenda_item_id":null,"speaker_id":"off_fred_a_neil","speaker_confidence":0.95,"start_sec":69.74,"end_sec":72.34,"text":"And seconded. Any discussion? All in favor, please say aye.","topics_json":"[]","vector_id":"vec_seg_98807_11","created_at":"2026-10-31T05:09:13Z","speaker_name":"Fred A. Neil"},{"id":"seg_98807_110","meeting_id":"98807","media_asset_id":"med_98807_fb4bb6dac6c4b7de","agenda_item_id":null,"speaker_id":"off_gerald_l_rocha_sr","speaker_confidence":0.95,"start_sec":2456.99,"end_sec":2463.49,"text":"They look like barrels or whatever, yeah. Instead of using those, they have these removable posts—","topics_json":"[]","vector_id":"vec_seg_98807_110","created_at":"2026-10-31T05:09:14Z","speaker_name":"Gerald L. Rocha, Sr."},{"id":"seg_98807_111","meeting_id":"98807","media_asset_id":"med_98807_fb4bb6dac6c4b7de","agenda_item_id":null,"speaker_id":"spk_98807_diane_laird","speaker_confidence":0.9,"start_sec":2463.49,"end_sec":2464.29,"text":"Bollards.","topics_json":"[]","vector_id":"vec_seg_98807_111","created_at":"2026-10-31T05:09:14Z","speaker_name":"Diane Laird"},{"id":"seg_98807_112","meeting_id":"98807","media_asset_id":"med_98807_fb4bb6dac6c4b7de","agenda_item_id":null,"speaker_id":"off_gerald_l_rocha_sr","speaker_confidence":0.95,"start_sec":2464.29,"end_sec":2464.99,"text":"What are they called?","topics_json":"[]","vector_id":"vec_seg_98807_112","created_at":"2026-10-31T05:09:14Z","speaker_name":"Gerald L. Rocha, Sr."},{"id":"seg_98807_113","meeting_id":"98807","media_asset_id":"med_98807_fb4bb6dac6c4b7de","agenda_item_id":null,"speaker_id":"spk_98807_diane_laird","speaker_confidence":0.9,"start_sec":2464.99,"end_sec":2465.79,"text":"Bollards.","topics_json":"[]","vector_id":"vec_seg_98807_113","created_at":"2026-10-31T05:09:14Z","speaker_name":"Diane Laird"},{"id":"seg_98807_114","meeting_id":"98807","media_asset_id":"med_98807_fb4bb6dac6c4b7de","agenda_item_id":null,"speaker_id":"off_gerald_l_rocha_sr","speaker_confidence":0.95,"start_sec":2465.79,"end_sec":2472.29,"text":"Right. Mhm. Do Are we planning on doing something like that, or is that something that could I mean, it's real clean because once the event is over, you can just remove those, and then that—","topics_json":"[]","vector_id":"vec_seg_98807_114","created_at":"2026-10-31T05:09:14Z","speaker_name":"Gerald L. Rocha, Sr."},{"id":"seg_98807_115","meeting_id":"98807","media_asset_id":"med_98807_fb4bb6dac6c4b7de","agenda_item_id":null,"speaker_id":"off_gerald_l_rocha_sr","speaker_confidence":0.95,"start_sec":2472.29,"end_sec":2491.99,"text":"once they're in, you know, the barrels sometimes get shifted off to the side and cars go through it. You wouldn't be able to do that. It would create a safe space for a lot of people to walk around during some of the events that we have. So I was wondering if that's something that you had thought about or anything?","topics_json":"[\"public_safety\"]","vector_id":"vec_seg_98807_115","created_at":"2026-10-31T05:09:14Z","speaker_name":"Gerald L. Rocha, Sr."},{"id":"seg_98807_116","meeting_id":"98807","media_asset_id":"med_98807_fb4bb6dac6c4b7de","agenda_item_id":null,"speaker_id":"spk_98807_diane_laird","speaker_confidence":0.9,"start_sec":2491.99,"end_sec":2512.09,"text":"Uh not necessarily thought about. I've seen them. They are a very clean way to uh and does it it doesn't feel as um much like a barrier, but it is proves to be a good barrier. So it's something we can can explore with the city and and with the police department uh as we as we move forward into having outdoor events that more often.","topics_json":"[\"public_safety\"]","vector_id":"vec_seg_98807_116","created_at":"2026-10-31T05:09:14Z","speaker_name":"Diane Laird"},{"id":"seg_98807_117","meeting_id":"98807","media_asset_id":"med_98807_fb4bb6dac6c4b7de","agenda_item_id":null,"speaker_id":"off_gerald_l_rocha_sr","speaker_confidence":0.95,"start_sec":2512.09,"end_sec":2529.99,"text":"Great, great. I think when I when I saw that, I was pulling in during the end of it, and it was pretty easy to to get them out of the way, and, yeah, to pop them up and and and move them. So I you know, it just seemed like something that we could add to uh, you know, our downtown Loockerman Street. Thank you. I yield.","topics_json":"[\"business\"]","vector_id":"vec_seg_98807_117","created_at":"2026-10-31T05:09:14Z","speaker_name":"Gerald L. Rocha, Sr."},{"id":"seg_98807_118","meeting_id":"98807","media_asset_id":"med_98807_fb4bb6dac6c4b7de","agenda_item_id":null,"speaker_id":"off_fred_a_neil","speaker_confidence":0.95,"start_sec":2529.99,"end_sec":2538.29,"text":"Any other questions? Seeing none, I will accept a motion to accept the annual report without the 100- Everybody's heard me. Do I have a motion?","topics_json":"[]","vector_id":"vec_seg_98807_118","created_at":"2026-10-31T05:09:14Z","speaker_name":"Fred A. Neil"},{"id":"seg_98807_119","meeting_id":"98807","media_asset_id":"med_98807_fb4bb6dac6c4b7de","agenda_item_id":null,"speaker_id":"off_tricia_k_arndt","speaker_confidence":0.85,"start_sec":2538.29,"end_sec":2539.89,"text":"Move to accept the annual report.","topics_json":"[]","vector_id":"vec_seg_98807_119","created_at":"2026-10-31T05:09:14Z","speaker_name":"Tricia K. 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Neil"},{"id":"seg_98807_124","meeting_id":"98807","media_asset_id":"med_98807_fb4bb6dac6c4b7de","agenda_item_id":null,"speaker_id":"spk_98807_diane_laird","speaker_confidence":0.9,"start_sec":2553.39,"end_sec":2554.59,"text":"Thank you.","topics_json":"[]","vector_id":"vec_seg_98807_124","created_at":"2026-10-31T05:09:14Z","speaker_name":"Diane Laird"},{"id":"seg_98807_125","meeting_id":"98807","media_asset_id":"med_98807_fb4bb6dac6c4b7de","agenda_item_id":null,"speaker_id":"off_fred_a_neil","speaker_confidence":0.95,"start_sec":2554.59,"end_sec":2555.79,"text":"We will now go into—","topics_json":"[]","vector_id":"vec_seg_98807_125","created_at":"2026-10-31T05:09:14Z","speaker_name":"Fred A. Neil"},{"id":"seg_98807_126","meeting_id":"98807","media_asset_id":"med_98807_fb4bb6dac6c4b7de","agenda_item_id":null,"speaker_id":"off_fred_a_neil","speaker_confidence":0.95,"start_sec":2555.79,"end_sec":2567.79,"text":"Go to um item 26, and that is the adoption of 2024 ordinance uh amending chapter 22.","topics_json":"[]","vector_id":"vec_seg_98807_126","created_at":"2026-10-31T05:09:14Z","speaker_name":"Fred A. Neil"},{"id":"seg_98807_127","meeting_id":"98807","media_asset_id":"med_98807_fb4bb6dac6c4b7de","agenda_item_id":null,"speaker_id":"spk_98807_city_clerk","speaker_confidence":0.85,"start_sec":2567.79,"end_sec":2570.99,"text":"Mr. Neil, that's already moved it to after the public hearing.","topics_json":"[]","vector_id":"vec_seg_98807_127","created_at":"2026-10-31T05:09:14Z","speaker_name":null},{"id":"seg_98807_128","meeting_id":"98807","media_asset_id":"med_98807_fb4bb6dac6c4b7de","agenda_item_id":null,"speaker_id":"spk_98807_fred_a_neil","speaker_confidence":0.95,"start_sec":2570.99,"end_sec":2589.49,"text":"Oh, it'll be after. Okay. Next will be public hearings. Number five? Yep. Number five, annexation, rezoning, property located at 7 Nixon Lane. And I'll request Ms. Dawn Melson-Williams, the principal planner, to brief the council on this item.","topics_json":"[\"zoning\"]","vector_id":"vec_seg_98807_128","created_at":"2026-10-31T05:09:14Z","speaker_name":null},{"id":"seg_98807_129","meeting_id":"98807","media_asset_id":"med_98807_fb4bb6dac6c4b7de","agenda_item_id":null,"speaker_id":"spk_98807_dawn_melson_williams","speaker_confidence":0.95,"start_sec":2589.49,"end_sec":2752.39,"text":"Uh, thank you, Council President. Dawn Melson-Williams, the principal planner with the City's Planning Office. Um, this evening, the first uh annexation request that we bring to you is um application number AX-26-01. It is for the property at 7 Nixon Lane. We can We're going to bring up a location map for you. Um, this is a request um of a property that's uh just under an acre in size. It is currently uh in Kent County zoned RS-1, which is a residential single-family zone. Uh, they're requesting annexation into the city um and the zoning classification of R-8, which is a one-family residence zone. Um, in our comprehensive plan, this is in the category one high priority annexation area. Uh, it's an area enclave uh that's uh that that is generally surrounded by lands already in the city. Uh, the comprehensive plan land use category is read residential medium density, um and as part of our report, we reflect uh which land use uh with that land use category the different zoning districts that would comply with that, um and their their request for R-8 does so. Currently, the property has on it a single-family detached dwelling, um however, there is uh some vacant land to the north of that building and it is anticipated that there would be a future uh subdivision of that vacant area land into multiple lots. Um, that is a separate application process and not being considered this evening. Um, with all annexations, there is a plan of services um that must be completed, and as part of that, this visited the utility committee. Uh, the property at 7 Nixon Lane is currently served by City of Dover electric. Uh, it is not currently served by city water and sanitary sewer, but there is an opportunity uh to do so at that location. Uh, with the annexation, it was subject to a public hearing with the City's Planning Commission back on February 17th. Uh, the Planning Commission did recommend approval of the request to annex this property into the city and the recommended um zoning district of the R-8 one-family residence zone. I would note that um we included a full report that outlines the details of the comprehensive plan in regard","topics_json":"[\"housing\",\"zoning\"]","vector_id":"vec_seg_98807_129","created_at":"2026-10-31T05:09:14Z","speaker_name":"Dawn Melson-Williams"},{"id":"seg_98807_13","meeting_id":"98807","media_asset_id":"med_98807_fb4bb6dac6c4b7de","agenda_item_id":null,"speaker_id":"off_fred_a_neil","speaker_confidence":0.95,"start_sec":73.52,"end_sec":74.52,"text":"Uh, we need roll call vote.","topics_json":"[]","vector_id":"vec_seg_98807_13","created_at":"2026-10-31T05:09:13Z","speaker_name":"Fred A. Neil"},{"id":"seg_98807_130","meeting_id":"98807","media_asset_id":"med_98807_fb4bb6dac6c4b7de","agenda_item_id":null,"speaker_id":"spk_98807_dawn_melson_williams","speaker_confidence":0.9,"start_sec":2752.39,"end_sec":2898.19,"text":"to this area. It includes a description of the, um, code provisions for R-8. The details of the consideration by Planning Commission and their recommendation. Uh, there are three criteria that the Planning Commission must consider when looking at a rezoning, um, part of the step. Uh, they have to look at whether the uses permitted by the proposed change would be compatible with existing uses and zones in the area, uh, whether adequate, uh, public services and infrastructure exist or can be created for, uh, the location, and whether the change is in accordance with the city's comprehensive plan. Um, the Planning Commission found all of these, uh, these criteria to be, um, in place. Uh, as part of, uh, your packet this evening, there is a draft of the Planning Commission meeting minutes from that evening back in February. Uh, there were, um, at that public hearing there were no members of the public that spoke in regards to the application. Uh, the applicant, uh, was represented, um, by a, uh, realtor and the property owner at the Planning Commission meeting. Uh, they were here earlier this evening, and you heard the property representative, uh, Mr. Don, uh, McNeil, um, speak during the, uh, open forum session, um, that you had at the start of the meeting. Uh, I don't believe they have stuck around for the balance of the meeting this evening. Uh, so, council, um, what is before you is a request for an annexation. Um, that is considered through a first through a reso- resolution process, and then there is a separate ordinance in order to set the city's zoning, um, classification for the property. Uh, this action is first, uh, subject to a public hearing, uh, to be conducted, um, before the City Council.","topics_json":"[\"zoning\"]","vector_id":"vec_seg_98807_130","created_at":"2026-10-31T05:09:14Z","speaker_name":"Dawn Melson-Williams"},{"id":"seg_98807_131","meeting_id":"98807","media_asset_id":"med_98807_fb4bb6dac6c4b7de","agenda_item_id":null,"speaker_id":"off_fred_a_neil","speaker_confidence":0.95,"start_sec":2898.38,"end_sec":2900.43,"text":"Any questions for the staff? Hearing none,","topics_json":"[]","vector_id":"vec_seg_98807_131","created_at":"2026-10-31T05:09:14Z","speaker_name":"Fred A. Neil"},{"id":"seg_98807_132","meeting_id":"98807","media_asset_id":"med_98807_fb4bb6dac6c4b7de","agenda_item_id":null,"speaker_id":"off_fred_a_neil","speaker_confidence":0.95,"start_sec":2900.58,"end_sec":2906.16,"text":"we'll have the public hearing for the rezoning of the property located at 7 Nixon Lane. I declare the public hearing open. Is there anyone here who would care to speak","topics_json":"[\"zoning\"]","vector_id":"vec_seg_98807_132","created_at":"2026-10-31T05:09:14Z","speaker_name":"Fred A. Neil"},{"id":"seg_98807_133","meeting_id":"98807","media_asset_id":"med_98807_fb4bb6dac6c4b7de","agenda_item_id":null,"speaker_id":"off_fred_a_neil","speaker_confidence":0.95,"start_sec":2907.43,"end_sec":2910.13,"text":"in favor of the proposed amendments? Seeing none.","topics_json":"[\"zoning\"]","vector_id":"vec_seg_98807_133","created_at":"2026-10-31T05:09:14Z","speaker_name":"Fred A. Neil"},{"id":"seg_98807_134","meeting_id":"98807","media_asset_id":"med_98807_fb4bb6dac6c4b7de","agenda_item_id":null,"speaker_id":"off_fred_a_neil","speaker_confidence":0.95,"start_sec":2910.45,"end_sec":2913.59,"text":"Anybody here who would like to speak against the proposed amendments? Seeing none.","topics_json":"[\"zoning\"]","vector_id":"vec_seg_98807_134","created_at":"2026-10-31T05:09:14Z","speaker_name":"Fred A. Neil"},{"id":"seg_98807_135","meeting_id":"98807","media_asset_id":"med_98807_fb4bb6dac6c4b7de","agenda_item_id":null,"speaker_id":"off_fred_a_neil","speaker_confidence":0.95,"start_sec":2913.77,"end_sec":2918.68,"text":"If there's no one wishing to speak during the public hearing, I declare the public hearing closed.","topics_json":"[\"zoning\"]","vector_id":"vec_seg_98807_135","created_at":"2026-10-31T05:09:14Z","speaker_name":"Fred A. Neil"},{"id":"seg_98807_136","meeting_id":"98807","media_asset_id":"med_98807_fb4bb6dac6c4b7de","agenda_item_id":null,"speaker_id":"off_fred_a_neil","speaker_confidence":0.95,"start_sec":2918.99,"end_sec":2925.94,"text":"Next, I'll entertain a motion for the adoption of the annexation resolution 2026-3, and it will be by a voice vote.","topics_json":"[\"zoning\"]","vector_id":"vec_seg_98807_136","created_at":"2026-10-31T05:09:14Z","speaker_name":"Fred A. 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Uh Ms. Dawn Melson-Williams, the Principal Planner, please brief the Council on this item.","topics_json":"[\"zoning\"]","vector_id":"vec_seg_98807_180","created_at":"2026-10-31T05:09:14Z","speaker_name":null},{"id":"seg_98807_181","meeting_id":"98807","media_asset_id":"med_98807_fb4bb6dac6c4b7de","agenda_item_id":null,"speaker_id":"spk_98807_dawn_melson_williams","speaker_confidence":0.95,"start_sec":3107.29,"end_sec":3145.59,"text":"Thank you, Council President. This is Dawn um with the Planning Office. Uh this is annexation request AX-26-02. It is for lands owned by United Worldwide Express LLC. Uh the main property address is 1624 North Little Creek Road, and then it also encompasses uh two parcels to the south of that. We'll we'll bring up the image of their location um on the screen. These properties are located on the south side of uh North Little Creek Road, and to the east is the uh State Route 1 corridor. Uh currently in Kent County, these properties are zoned IL, which is a Limited Industrial zone, and the RMH, Residential Manufactured Home zone. Uh currently there's only a storage warehouse building um and on the property, and then the other two southern properties are vacant lots. Uh they are making a request to annex into the City of Dover, um and with that are requesting the following zoning classification: uh that is IPM, the Industrial Park Manufacturing zone, with the property being subject to the","topics_json":"[\"zoning\",\"business\"]","vector_id":"vec_seg_98807_181","created_at":"2026-10-31T05:09:14Z","speaker_name":"Dawn Melson-Williams"},{"id":"seg_98807_182","meeting_id":"98807","media_asset_id":"med_98807_fb4bb6dac6c4b7de","agenda_item_id":null,"speaker_id":"spk_98807_dawn_melson_williams","speaker_confidence":0.95,"start_sec":3145.59,"end_sec":3159.47,"text":"AEOZ, which is the Airport Environs Overlay Zone, specifically the Accident Potential Zone 2. The AEOZ is related to flight activities at Dover Air Force Base.","topics_json":"[\"zoning\"]","vector_id":"vec_seg_98807_182","created_at":"2026-10-31T05:09:14Z","speaker_name":"Dawn Melson-Williams"},{"id":"seg_98807_183","meeting_id":"98807","media_asset_id":"med_98807_fb4bb6dac6c4b7de","agenda_item_id":null,"speaker_id":"spk_98807_dawn_melson_williams","speaker_confidence":0.95,"start_sec":3159.75,"end_sec":3182.19,"text":"The comprehensive plan for this project area, property area of three parcels, again, is in Category 1, the high-priority annexation area, and carries with it a land use category of Office and Office Park. The IPM zoning district is one of the compatible zones for that land use category.","topics_json":"[\"zoning\"]","vector_id":"vec_seg_98807_183","created_at":"2026-10-31T05:09:14Z","speaker_name":"Dawn Melson-Williams"},{"id":"seg_98807_184","meeting_id":"98807","media_asset_id":"med_98807_fb4bb6dac6c4b7de","agenda_item_id":null,"speaker_id":"spk_98807_dawn_melson_williams","speaker_confidence":0.95,"start_sec":3182.97,"end_sec":3197.11,"text":"As noted, there is currently a warehouse building on the northern part of the parcel, and the other areas are vacant land which are wooded and includes some wetland areas.","topics_json":"[\"zoning\"]","vector_id":"vec_seg_98807_184","created_at":"2026-10-31T05:09:14Z","speaker_name":"Dawn Melson-Williams"},{"id":"seg_98807_185","meeting_id":"98807","media_asset_id":"med_98807_fb4bb6dac6c4b7de","agenda_item_id":null,"speaker_id":"spk_98807_dawn_melson_williams","speaker_confidence":0.95,"start_sec":3197.43,"end_sec":3207.23,"text":"The the applicant has made some indication of future redevelopment of the property, potentially for mini-storage buildings.","topics_json":"[\"zoning\",\"business\"]","vector_id":"vec_seg_98807_185","created_at":"2026-10-31T05:09:14Z","speaker_name":"Dawn Melson-Williams"},{"id":"seg_98807_186","meeting_id":"98807","media_asset_id":"med_98807_fb4bb6dac6c4b7de","agenda_item_id":null,"speaker_id":"spk_98807_dawn_melson_williams","speaker_confidence":0.95,"start_sec":3208.05,"end_sec":3218.47,"text":"As noted, with an annexation, it goes through a plan of services review process, which we have submitted to the state, and also appears before the city's utility committee.","topics_json":"[\"zoning\"]","vector_id":"vec_seg_98807_186","created_at":"2026-10-31T05:09:14Z","speaker_name":"Dawn Melson-Williams"},{"id":"seg_98807_187","meeting_id":"98807","media_asset_id":"med_98807_fb4bb6dac6c4b7de","agenda_item_id":null,"speaker_id":"spk_98807_dawn_melson_williams","speaker_confidence":0.95,"start_sec":3219.27,"end_sec":3230.29,"text":"The property at 1624 is currently served by City of Dover Electric, and the two unaddressed parcels have no electric service needs at the present time.","topics_json":"[\"zoning\"]","vector_id":"vec_seg_98807_187","created_at":"2026-10-31T05:09:14Z","speaker_name":"Dawn Melson-Williams"},{"id":"seg_98807_188","meeting_id":"98807","media_asset_id":"med_98807_fb4bb6dac6c4b7de","agenda_item_id":null,"speaker_id":"spk_98807_dawn_melson_williams","speaker_confidence":0.95,"start_sec":3230.97,"end_sec":3247.75,"text":"When it comes to water, the location at 1624 North Little Creek Road is currently served by City of Dover water. The other two parcels are not as they are undeveloped.","topics_json":"[\"zoning\"]","vector_id":"vec_seg_98807_188","created_at":"2026-10-31T05:09:14Z","speaker_name":"Dawn Melson-Williams"},{"id":"seg_98807_189","meeting_id":"98807","media_asset_id":"med_98807_fb4bb6dac6c4b7de","agenda_item_id":null,"speaker_id":"spk_98807_dawn_melson_williams","speaker_confidence":0.95,"start_sec":3247.89,"end_sec":3289.97,"text":"When it is when it comes to sanitary sewer, the property at 1624 is not currently served by the City of Dover. It has what we believe is an on-site septic system. The Department of Water Wastewater has noted that sanitary sewer service is not immediately available to this series of three lots and that the Kent County Public Works has potential sanitary sewer capability in the area and that the applicant should pursue with that purveyor should they need services.","topics_json":"[\"zoning\"]","vector_id":"vec_seg_98807_189","created_at":"2026-10-31T05:09:14Z","speaker_name":"Dawn Melson-Williams"},{"id":"seg_98807_19","meeting_id":"98807","media_asset_id":"med_98807_fb4bb6dac6c4b7de","agenda_item_id":null,"speaker_id":"off_tricia_k_arndt","speaker_confidence":0.95,"start_sec":80.91,"end_sec":81.66,"text":"Yes.","topics_json":"[]","vector_id":"vec_seg_98807_19","created_at":"2026-10-31T05:09:13Z","speaker_name":"Tricia K. Arndt"},{"id":"seg_98807_190","meeting_id":"98807","media_asset_id":"med_98807_fb4bb6dac6c4b7de","agenda_item_id":null,"speaker_id":"spk_98807_dawn_melson_williams","speaker_confidence":0.95,"start_sec":3290.51,"end_sec":3322.65,"text":"The planning commission conducted a public hearing in consideration of this annexation request back in February 17th. There was a representative of the engineering firm that was there on behalf of the property owner, and one member of the public spoke in regards to the annexation request.","topics_json":"[\"zoning\"]","vector_id":"vec_seg_98807_190","created_at":"2026-10-31T05:09:14Z","speaker_name":"Dawn Melson-Williams"},{"id":"seg_98807_191","meeting_id":"98807","media_asset_id":"med_98807_fb4bb6dac6c4b7de","agenda_item_id":null,"speaker_id":"spk_98807_dawn_melson_williams","speaker_confidence":0.95,"start_sec":3324.27,"end_sec":3342.19,"text":"We included a detailed report of the planning commission's, what they reviewed, and their recommendations. I will note with this, they likewise considered the three criteria related to uses in the area, the adequacy of public services and infrastructure, and compliance with the city's comprehensive plan. The planning commission, in making their...","topics_json":"[\"zoning\"]","vector_id":"vec_seg_98807_191","created_at":"2026-10-31T05:09:14Z","speaker_name":"Dawn Melson-Williams"},{"id":"seg_98807_192","meeting_id":"98807","media_asset_id":"med_98807_fb4bb6dac6c4b7de","agenda_item_id":null,"speaker_id":"spk_98807_dawn_melson_williams","speaker_confidence":0.95,"start_sec":3342.19,"end_sec":3484.69,"text":"recommendation for approval did identify those in addition to acknowledging that the applicant had been made aware of some potential for future infrastructure development when it comes to the transportation system in this area. This is at the partial interchange of Route 8 and State Route 1. There are a number of studies, and those are identified in the report, that have looked at potentially making infrastructure improvements to enlarge and change that intersection, that interchange with State Route 1. So the applicant has been made aware of those, should they be interested in learning more about them. There are links to several freight studies in this area and freight plans to make improvements to the transportation infrastructure in the eastern part of the city. There is no current plan in place to have that development occur, but it has been recommended by a number of studies. The packet this evening includes that report, the comments from a number of agencies, the Planning Commission meeting minutes, and a couple of location maps for the property. Again, tonight City Council will conduct a public hearing, followed by consideration of an annexation resolution and an ordinance to adopt the City of Dover zoning classification for the property.","topics_json":"[\"zoning\"]","vector_id":"vec_seg_98807_192","created_at":"2026-10-31T05:09:14Z","speaker_name":"Dawn Melson-Williams"},{"id":"seg_98807_193","meeting_id":"98807","media_asset_id":"med_98807_fb4bb6dac6c4b7de","agenda_item_id":null,"speaker_id":"off_fred_a_neil","speaker_confidence":0.95,"start_sec":3484.69,"end_sec":3486.39,"text":"Yes, uh, Councilwoman Arndt.","topics_json":"[]","vector_id":"vec_seg_98807_193","created_at":"2026-10-31T05:09:14Z","speaker_name":"Fred A. Neil"},{"id":"seg_98807_194","meeting_id":"98807","media_asset_id":"med_98807_fb4bb6dac6c4b7de","agenda_item_id":null,"speaker_id":"off_tricia_k_arndt","speaker_confidence":0.98,"start_sec":3486.39,"end_sec":3490.99,"text":"I'm going to recuse myself from the discussion and the vote given my role at DelDOT.","topics_json":"[]","vector_id":"vec_seg_98807_194","created_at":"2026-10-31T05:09:14Z","speaker_name":"Tricia K. Arndt"},{"id":"seg_98807_195","meeting_id":"98807","media_asset_id":"med_98807_fb4bb6dac6c4b7de","agenda_item_id":null,"speaker_id":"off_fred_a_neil","speaker_confidence":0.95,"start_sec":3490.99,"end_sec":3499.19,"text":"Um, I will uh invite the applicant to speak on their application if they'd like, and please identify yourself when you come up.","topics_json":"[]","vector_id":"vec_seg_98807_195","created_at":"2026-10-31T05:09:14Z","speaker_name":"Fred A. Neil"},{"id":"seg_98807_196","meeting_id":"98807","media_asset_id":"med_98807_fb4bb6dac6c4b7de","agenda_item_id":null,"speaker_id":"spk_98807_greg_scott","speaker_confidence":0.95,"start_sec":3499.19,"end_sec":3538.79,"text":"Good evening, Council members and staff. Thank you. My name is Greg Scott with Scott Engineering, Inc. and we're here tonight to represent our client, United Worldwide Express. So we're in receipt of the comments and recommendations from the Development Advisory Committee as well as the Planning Commission, and we have no issues with those. I did want to address briefly, though, the comments that were received from the Dover Kent MPO regarding the potential project in that area at the intersection that Dawn mentioned, more specifically, the southbound on-ramp onto Delaware Route 1. At this point, this is the first time we became aware of that at the DAC meeting. Our client hasn't been approached by DelDOT or anybody at that point to discuss the matter, but it is a project that a study has been done for. The latest study was finished in July of 2021, recommending a potential on-ramp there. It's my understanding that the project has not yet received any funding or any prioritization as far as when it'll happen, and it takes probably about two to three years before it even reaches a corridor transportation plan, the CTP. Following that, it has to work its way up the list in priorities before it even becomes a planning...","topics_json":"[\"zoning\",\"business\"]","vector_id":"vec_seg_98807_196","created_at":"2026-10-31T05:09:14Z","speaker_name":"Greg Scott"},{"id":"seg_98807_197","meeting_id":"98807","media_asset_id":"med_98807_fb4bb6dac6c4b7de","agenda_item_id":null,"speaker_id":"spk_98807_mr_scott","speaker_confidence":0.85,"start_sec":3538.79,"end_sec":3579.29,"text":"study to be reintroduced, and following that, it would take probably a year to two before any land would be acquired, and then following that, it would take probably 3 to 5 years for engineering design completed. So you're looking 8 to 12 years out before we even see a project. We don't know what the impact's going to be on our property as I've not seen any detailed plans at this point in time, but we're not here to ask for $175,000 tonight. But would like to request your approval to be able to annex this property into the city of Dover so they can develop it. As Dawn mentioned, their plan is to put single-story mini storage buildings on this property.","topics_json":"[\"zoning\",\"business\"]","vector_id":"vec_seg_98807_197","created_at":"2026-10-31T05:09:14Z","speaker_name":"Mr. Scott"},{"id":"seg_98807_198","meeting_id":"98807","media_asset_id":"med_98807_fb4bb6dac6c4b7de","agenda_item_id":null,"speaker_id":"off_fred_a_neil","speaker_confidence":0.95,"start_sec":3579.29,"end_sec":3590.69,"text":"Well, thank you, sir. Anybody have any questions? We have Marilyn Smith of the MPO here in case she cares to make any sort of a comment alongside of you. Marilyn, do you? Yes, thank you.","topics_json":"[]","vector_id":"vec_seg_98807_198","created_at":"2026-10-31T05:09:14Z","speaker_name":"Fred A. Neil"},{"id":"seg_98807_199","meeting_id":"98807","media_asset_id":"med_98807_fb4bb6dac6c4b7de","agenda_item_id":null,"speaker_id":"spk_98807_marilyn_smith","speaker_confidence":0.95,"start_sec":3590.69,"end_sec":3642.29,"text":"Marilyn Smith, Dover/Kent MPO. And you know, I bought a map. There's the map. And I also, if I may, Mr. Chair, I brought a handout so you have this in front of you. May I?","topics_json":"[]","vector_id":"vec_seg_98807_199","created_at":"2026-10-31T05:09:14Z","speaker_name":"Marilyn Smith"},{"id":"seg_98807_2","meeting_id":"98807","media_asset_id":"med_98807_fb4bb6dac6c4b7de","agenda_item_id":null,"speaker_id":"off_tricia_k_arndt","speaker_confidence":0.95,"start_sec":4.28,"end_sec":15.46,"text":"Thank you for recognizing me. I have an amendment, a proposed amendment to the agenda. If we could move item 22, the lemon housing ordinance, up to item 8. We have members of staff and members of the real estate committee or community that are here to speak on that ordinance, I thought we could get them out a little sooner.","topics_json":"[\"housing\"]","vector_id":"vec_seg_98807_2","created_at":"2026-10-31T05:09:13Z","speaker_name":"Tricia K. Arndt"},{"id":"seg_98807_20","meeting_id":"98807","media_asset_id":"med_98807_fb4bb6dac6c4b7de","agenda_item_id":null,"speaker_id":"spk_98807_city_clerk","speaker_confidence":0.95,"start_sec":81.66,"end_sec":82.15,"text":"Mr. Rocha?","topics_json":"[]","vector_id":"vec_seg_98807_20","created_at":"2026-10-31T05:09:13Z","speaker_name":null},{"id":"seg_98807_200","meeting_id":"98807","media_asset_id":"med_98807_fb4bb6dac6c4b7de","agenda_item_id":null,"speaker_id":"off_fred_a_neil","speaker_confidence":0.95,"start_sec":3642.29,"end_sec":3643.79,"text":"Yeah, sure, hand it out.","topics_json":"[]","vector_id":"vec_seg_98807_200","created_at":"2026-10-31T05:09:14Z","speaker_name":"Fred A. Neil"},{"id":"seg_98807_201","meeting_id":"98807","media_asset_id":"med_98807_fb4bb6dac6c4b7de","agenda_item_id":null,"speaker_id":"off_fred_a_neil","speaker_confidence":0.95,"start_sec":3643.79,"end_sec":3647.59,"text":"As an aside, I'm still waiting about Persimmon Tree Lane.","topics_json":"[]","vector_id":"vec_seg_98807_201","created_at":"2026-10-31T05:09:14Z","speaker_name":"Fred A. Neil"},{"id":"seg_98807_202","meeting_id":"98807","media_asset_id":"med_98807_fb4bb6dac6c4b7de","agenda_item_id":null,"speaker_id":"spk_98807_marilyn_smith","speaker_confidence":0.9,"start_sec":3647.59,"end_sec":3649.29,"text":"Near and far.","topics_json":"[]","vector_id":"vec_seg_98807_202","created_at":"2026-10-31T05:09:14Z","speaker_name":"Marilyn Smith"},{"id":"seg_98807_203","meeting_id":"98807","media_asset_id":"med_98807_fb4bb6dac6c4b7de","agenda_item_id":null,"speaker_id":"off_fred_a_neil","speaker_confidence":0.95,"start_sec":3649.29,"end_sec":3651.29,"text":"Thank you.","topics_json":"[]","vector_id":"vec_seg_98807_203","created_at":"2026-10-31T05:09:14Z","speaker_name":"Fred A. Neil"},{"id":"seg_98807_204","meeting_id":"98807","media_asset_id":"med_98807_fb4bb6dac6c4b7de","agenda_item_id":null,"speaker_id":"spk_98807_marilyn_smith","speaker_confidence":0.95,"start_sec":3652.99,"end_sec":3735.39,"text":"So first of all, thank you to Mr. Scott, who did his homework about how projects get in the CTP. I'm going to start off and say I'm going to follow Diane's lead, and say I'm going to stay in my lane, which is the MPO is transportation planning. So I'm not here to support or oppose the annexation request or the rezoning request. I just want to give you some more information to help inform your conversation. So the first page in this handout is really short. So the first page reminds you that we did complete the East-West Freight Routes Phase 2 study, and that was completed and approved by the council, the MPO Council, in July of this year. And aside from talking about Persimmon Tree, every time I come, we talk about freight, we talk about truck parking, we talk about east-west freight movement. Those are the things we talk about. And so this study, as you may recall, was to talk about east-west freight, and particularly in the city of Dover, figuring out ways for that to be efficient, reliable, safely moving freight across Dover. So on the second page, and like I said, I'm going to go fast through this, so on the second page, this is a couple of snapshots out of that study. There were multiple recommendations for east-west freight in the county, and obviously I'm going to focus on this one. This is, as is indicated, Dawn's map right there, and here, the map right here. This is the SR-1 Dover interchange, which is the most relevant to your conversation. And you can see on the picture the yellow, the yellow are existing roads. So you can see Route 1, you can see those two that are on the north side of Route 1, yellow roads, but there are no yellow roads, excuse me, on the north side","topics_json":"[\"zoning\"]","vector_id":"vec_seg_98807_204","created_at":"2026-10-31T05:09:14Z","speaker_name":"Marilyn Smith"},{"id":"seg_98807_205","meeting_id":"98807","media_asset_id":"med_98807_fb4bb6dac6c4b7de","agenda_item_id":null,"speaker_id":"spk_98807_chunk20_speaker","speaker_confidence":0.9,"start_sec":3735.39,"end_sec":3780.19,"text":"of North Little Creek Road, but there are no roads on this outside, right? So, if you come to the recommendations specifically out of the study, which is on page three, this is about how do we get freight movement to go north, how do we get... There are existing southbound off-ramp and a northbound on-ramp, but there is not an existing southbound on-ramp and northbound off-ramp. And that's what this study was all about is to build out that whole interchange so that you would have free movement of commercial vehicles to get on and off going north and south.","topics_json":"[\"business\"]","vector_id":"vec_seg_98807_205","created_at":"2026-10-31T05:09:14Z","speaker_name":null},{"id":"seg_98807_206","meeting_id":"98807","media_asset_id":"med_98807_fb4bb6dac6c4b7de","agenda_item_id":null,"speaker_id":"spk_98807_chunk20_speaker","speaker_confidence":0.9,"start_sec":3780.79,"end_sec":3847.89,"text":"So, um, I'm here to just talk about transportation studies, right? I'm not here to to talk about zoning, and I'm not here to talk about annexation. Um, what I want you to think about is that proposed improvements to to build out this interchange serve to enhance economic development, safety, efficiency, and reliability specifically when it comes to freight movement, which is something we've talked a lot about.","topics_json":"[\"zoning\",\"business\"]","vector_id":"vec_seg_98807_206","created_at":"2026-10-31T05:09:14Z","speaker_name":null},{"id":"seg_98807_207","meeting_id":"98807","media_asset_id":"med_98807_fb4bb6dac6c4b7de","agenda_item_id":null,"speaker_id":"spk_98807_chunk20_speaker","speaker_confidence":0.9,"start_sec":3848.29,"end_sec":3893.39,"text":"Now, maybe these uses can exist. Maybe we can have mini storage, maybe we can fit the road in, um, that's what that's what this tells you. If you look at this, there's the there Here's your parcel that you're talking about, um, here would be the new road, the white. And can you squeeze it in there? Can you squeeze it in there between existing development that's already been approved, um, wetland, uh, the development that you're going to consider in the future? Maybe. Maybe you can squeeze it in. Um, but I just want you to be aware of of what is or is not a a part of your conversation.","topics_json":"[\"zoning\"]","vector_id":"vec_seg_98807_207","created_at":"2026-10-31T05:09:14Z","speaker_name":null},{"id":"seg_98807_208","meeting_id":"98807","media_asset_id":"med_98807_fb4bb6dac6c4b7de","agenda_item_id":null,"speaker_id":"spk_98807_chunk20_speaker","speaker_confidence":0.9,"start_sec":3894.09,"end_sec":3931.99,"text":"Um, what I do know is that access to Route 1 is important for industrial development at Garrison Oak and at the CEDAC and all of those, um, Lafferty Lane, all of those those potential, um, development areas on the eastern side. And if that access isn't preserved, then future opportunities could be lost. The city has prioritized this location to support economic development, and transportation infrastructure must be available to support that priority. Um, now, true, there is not an existing project in the CTP, and the reason is that this study was completed in July of 2023. The CTP happens every two years, which means we submitted CTP project requests in May, which was before this study was even done. So what happens now is that this study gets amended into the long-range plan of the MPO, and then the next round of CTP submissions are when we have an opportunity to get it in. But that's not going to happen for another year because the CTP is a two-year process. So while it is true that it's not in the CTP now, it didn't have the opportunity to be in the CTP because it wasn't a recommendation yet. Um, so like I said, I I'm not going to take too much of","topics_json":"[\"zoning\",\"business\"]","vector_id":"vec_seg_98807_208","created_at":"2026-10-31T05:09:14Z","speaker_name":null},{"id":"seg_98807_209","meeting_id":"98807","media_asset_id":"med_98807_fb4bb6dac6c4b7de","agenda_item_id":null,"speaker_id":"spk_98807_marilyn_smith","speaker_confidence":0.95,"start_sec":3931.99,"end_sec":3937.45,"text":"of your time. I'm certainly available to answer questions if you have questions about the study and what the study entailed. Thank you.","topics_json":"[\"infrastructure\"]","vector_id":"vec_seg_98807_209","created_at":"2026-10-31T05:09:14Z","speaker_name":"Marilyn Smith"},{"id":"seg_98807_21","meeting_id":"98807","media_asset_id":"med_98807_fb4bb6dac6c4b7de","agenda_item_id":null,"speaker_id":"off_gerald_l_rocha_sr","speaker_confidence":0.95,"start_sec":82.15,"end_sec":82.78,"text":"Yes.","topics_json":"[]","vector_id":"vec_seg_98807_21","created_at":"2026-10-31T05:09:13Z","speaker_name":"Gerald L. Rocha, Sr."},{"id":"seg_98807_210","meeting_id":"98807","media_asset_id":"med_98807_fb4bb6dac6c4b7de","agenda_item_id":null,"speaker_id":"off_fred_a_neil","speaker_confidence":0.95,"start_sec":3937.45,"end_sec":3943.48,"text":"Any questions from staff? Yes, Councilman... was it Councilman Boggerty? No, no, I was... Oh. Oh. All right, I guess Councilman Rocha.","topics_json":"[]","vector_id":"vec_seg_98807_210","created_at":"2026-10-31T05:09:14Z","speaker_name":"Fred A. 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Rocha, Sr."},{"id":"seg_98807_212","meeting_id":"98807","media_asset_id":"med_98807_fb4bb6dac6c4b7de","agenda_item_id":null,"speaker_id":"spk_98807_marilyn_smith","speaker_confidence":0.95,"start_sec":3962.11,"end_sec":3965.09,"text":"Right there. The on on-ramp for going southbound, that's right.","topics_json":"[\"infrastructure\"]","vector_id":"vec_seg_98807_212","created_at":"2026-10-31T05:09:14Z","speaker_name":"Marilyn Smith"},{"id":"seg_98807_213","meeting_id":"98807","media_asset_id":"med_98807_fb4bb6dac6c4b7de","agenda_item_id":null,"speaker_id":"off_gerald_l_rocha_sr","speaker_confidence":0.95,"start_sec":3965.09,"end_sec":3999.37,"text":"Right. So is there a way for the developer to kind of plan for the on-ramp as they're going forward? Or or you know, is there a way that they could we could do both?","topics_json":"[\"zoning\",\"infrastructure\"]","vector_id":"vec_seg_98807_213","created_at":"2026-10-31T05:09:14Z","speaker_name":"Gerald L. Rocha, Sr."},{"id":"seg_98807_214","meeting_id":"98807","media_asset_id":"med_98807_fb4bb6dac6c4b7de","agenda_item_id":null,"speaker_id":"spk_98807_marilyn_smith","speaker_confidence":0.95,"start_sec":3999.37,"end_sec":4024.95,"text":"So, again, I'm not going to venture too far out of my lane, because what you're considering, and and Dawn and Sharon can jump in if I go too far afield, okay? So you're considering an annexation and a rezone. You're not looking at a site plan. You're not looking at a site plan that say you may ask for consideration of right-of-way to put in a road. That's not what you're talking about tonight, isn't that fair? Is that correct? So you can annex and you can rezone, but that doesn't that's not part of the conversation of can we do both of these things on this parcel. And I'm going to stop there, because I don't want to step on the toes of your staff...","topics_json":"[\"zoning\",\"infrastructure\"]","vector_id":"vec_seg_98807_214","created_at":"2026-10-31T05:09:14Z","speaker_name":"Marilyn Smith"},{"id":"seg_98807_215","meeting_id":"98807","media_asset_id":"med_98807_fb4bb6dac6c4b7de","agenda_item_id":null,"speaker_id":"off_gerald_l_rocha_sr","speaker_confidence":0.95,"start_sec":4024.95,"end_sec":4025.63,"text":"Understood. Understood, so","topics_json":"[]","vector_id":"vec_seg_98807_215","created_at":"2026-10-31T05:09:14Z","speaker_name":"Gerald L. 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But obviously what the MPO is recommending to DelDOT is probably going to be coming on their future plans for the the development of the on-ramp. Is there a way going through the the process that the developer of the property is aware of the potential of an on-ramp, and do you think that, you know, it's going to be doable or workable to work together to to to accomplish both?","topics_json":"[\"zoning\",\"infrastructure\"]","vector_id":"vec_seg_98807_217","created_at":"2026-10-31T05:09:14Z","speaker_name":"Gerald L. Rocha, Sr."},{"id":"seg_98807_218","meeting_id":"98807","media_asset_id":"med_98807_fb4bb6dac6c4b7de","agenda_item_id":null,"speaker_id":"spk_98807_marilyn_smith","speaker_confidence":0.95,"start_sec":4079.66,"end_sec":4082.58,"text":"I'm not sure which staff member you'd address that to, so I guess it I guess it's me.","topics_json":"[]","vector_id":"vec_seg_98807_218","created_at":"2026-10-31T05:09:14Z","speaker_name":"Marilyn Smith"},{"id":"seg_98807_219","meeting_id":"98807","media_asset_id":"med_98807_fb4bb6dac6c4b7de","agenda_item_id":null,"speaker_id":"off_gerald_l_rocha_sr","speaker_confidence":0.95,"start_sec":4082.58,"end_sec":4083.63,"text":"Yeah, Dawn.","topics_json":"[]","vector_id":"vec_seg_98807_219","created_at":"2026-10-31T05:09:14Z","speaker_name":"Gerald L. Rocha, Sr."},{"id":"seg_98807_22","meeting_id":"98807","media_asset_id":"med_98807_fb4bb6dac6c4b7de","agenda_item_id":null,"speaker_id":"spk_98807_city_clerk","speaker_confidence":0.95,"start_sec":82.78,"end_sec":83.46,"text":"Mr. Lewis?","topics_json":"[]","vector_id":"vec_seg_98807_22","created_at":"2026-10-31T05:09:13Z","speaker_name":null},{"id":"seg_98807_220","meeting_id":"98807","media_asset_id":"med_98807_fb4bb6dac6c4b7de","agenda_item_id":null,"speaker_id":"spk_98807_dawn_melson_williams","speaker_confidence":0.95,"start_sec":4083.63,"end_sec":4128.59,"text":"Um, so Dawn with the uh the planning office. Um, as noted, tonight we're looking at whether or not these properties should become part of the city. Um, so in the city or in the county, um, any future road development project could move forward. Um, certainly if a property is in the city, uh you need to set a city zoning classification. That is the beginning to what could potentially happen on the property, cuz zoning um will dictate uh allowable uses","topics_json":"[\"zoning\",\"infrastructure\"]","vector_id":"vec_seg_98807_220","created_at":"2026-10-31T05:09:14Z","speaker_name":"Dawn Melson-Williams"},{"id":"seg_98807_221","meeting_id":"98807","media_asset_id":"med_98807_fb4bb6dac6c4b7de","agenda_item_id":null,"speaker_id":"spk_98807_dawn_melson_williams","speaker_confidence":1,"start_sec":4128.59,"end_sec":4184.69,"text":"use on the property. Your action tonight does not design the future uses on that property, nor does it design the road to look like what's on the study, or call it the study version of a potential alignment. There's a lot that goes into that. So this evening, it may be in the better interest of the city to consider annexation because then it places this landmass within the city of Dover. And then you have more of an opportunity to push for projects and have them be based on your regulations for development of uses on those as well. I think the applicant has certainly been made aware of these the series of studies that may or may not in some time frame affect his the land that he currently owns.","topics_json":"[\"zoning\"]","vector_id":"vec_seg_98807_221","created_at":"2026-10-31T05:09:14Z","speaker_name":"Dawn Melson-Williams"},{"id":"seg_98807_222","meeting_id":"98807","media_asset_id":"med_98807_fb4bb6dac6c4b7de","agenda_item_id":null,"speaker_id":"off_david_l_anderson","speaker_confidence":1,"start_sec":4184.69,"end_sec":4188.09,"text":"Understood. Thank you. Thank you for that. And thank you, ma'am. I yield.","topics_json":"[\"zoning\"]","vector_id":"vec_seg_98807_222","created_at":"2026-10-31T05:09:14Z","speaker_name":"David L. Anderson"},{"id":"seg_98807_223","meeting_id":"98807","media_asset_id":"med_98807_fb4bb6dac6c4b7de","agenda_item_id":null,"speaker_id":"off_fred_a_neil","speaker_confidence":1,"start_sec":4188.09,"end_sec":4190.79,"text":"Uh, Councilman, uh, Boggerty.","topics_json":"[]","vector_id":"vec_seg_98807_223","created_at":"2026-10-31T05:09:14Z","speaker_name":"Fred A. Neil"},{"id":"seg_98807_224","meeting_id":"98807","media_asset_id":"med_98807_fb4bb6dac6c4b7de","agenda_item_id":null,"speaker_id":"off_andre_m_boggerty","speaker_confidence":1,"start_sec":4190.79,"end_sec":4218.49,"text":"Thank you, Chair, for recognizing me. So with that, what, you know, recent statement, Ms. um um Melson-Williams, thank you so much. With that, um if approved now with some future in mind, uh with business, if we have it in the city, would that potentially increase some tax base, some real estate sales, which would it how would it impact us from a fiscal standpoint, if at all?","topics_json":"[\"budget\",\"taxes\",\"business\"]","vector_id":"vec_seg_98807_224","created_at":"2026-10-31T05:09:14Z","speaker_name":"Andre M. Boggerty"},{"id":"seg_98807_225","meeting_id":"98807","media_asset_id":"med_98807_fb4bb6dac6c4b7de","agenda_item_id":null,"speaker_id":"spk_98807_dawn_melson_williams","speaker_confidence":1,"start_sec":4218.49,"end_sec":4253.49,"text":"Uh so this is Dawn with the planning office. Um the question about how it would impact the city from a tax base, certainly if you're adding um property into the city uh that is uh property that can be assessed uh property taxes, uh that's certainly going to add some level of tax being paid each year. Uh that tax and the amount, of course, is based on what is on the property or not on the property. So um it certainly uh broadens your your tax base.","topics_json":"[\"budget\",\"taxes\",\"zoning\"]","vector_id":"vec_seg_98807_225","created_at":"2026-10-31T05:09:14Z","speaker_name":"Dawn Melson-Williams"},{"id":"seg_98807_226","meeting_id":"98807","media_asset_id":"med_98807_fb4bb6dac6c4b7de","agenda_item_id":null,"speaker_id":"off_andre_m_boggerty","speaker_confidence":1,"start_sec":4253.49,"end_sec":4255.29,"text":"Thank you. I yield.","topics_json":"[]","vector_id":"vec_seg_98807_226","created_at":"2026-10-31T05:09:14Z","speaker_name":"Andre M. Boggerty"},{"id":"seg_98807_227","meeting_id":"98807","media_asset_id":"med_98807_fb4bb6dac6c4b7de","agenda_item_id":null,"speaker_id":"off_fred_a_neil","speaker_confidence":1,"start_sec":4255.29,"end_sec":4287.49,"text":"Well, uh my view basically is uh this is a a program that's going to happen. The road is going to happen, and it becomes when the owner of the property decides how he's going to use that property. Uh I think if you're dealing with trucks and moving things, that you would like to have greater access to wherever you're going. But that's my view. Now I'm going to declare a public hearing. Thank you, ma'am. All those who are in favor of this uh project...","topics_json":"[\"zoning\"]","vector_id":"vec_seg_98807_227","created_at":"2026-10-31T05:09:14Z","speaker_name":"Fred A. Neil"},{"id":"seg_98807_228","meeting_id":"98807","media_asset_id":"med_98807_fb4bb6dac6c4b7de","agenda_item_id":null,"speaker_id":"off_andre_m_boggerty","speaker_confidence":0.85,"start_sec":4287.49,"end_sec":4289.39,"text":"You have... Oh, I'm sorry.","topics_json":"[]","vector_id":"vec_seg_98807_228","created_at":"2026-10-31T05:09:14Z","speaker_name":"Andre M. Boggerty"},{"id":"seg_98807_229","meeting_id":"98807","media_asset_id":"med_98807_fb4bb6dac6c4b7de","agenda_item_id":null,"speaker_id":"off_fred_a_neil","speaker_confidence":1,"start_sec":4289.39,"end_sec":4291.49,"text":"Yes, in favor?","topics_json":"[]","vector_id":"vec_seg_98807_229","created_at":"2026-10-31T05:09:14Z","speaker_name":"Fred A. Neil"},{"id":"seg_98807_23","meeting_id":"98807","media_asset_id":"med_98807_fb4bb6dac6c4b7de","agenda_item_id":null,"speaker_id":"off_brian_e_lewis","speaker_confidence":0.95,"start_sec":83.46,"end_sec":84.08,"text":"Yes.","topics_json":"[]","vector_id":"vec_seg_98807_23","created_at":"2026-10-31T05:09:13Z","speaker_name":"Brian E. Lewis"},{"id":"seg_98807_230","meeting_id":"98807","media_asset_id":"med_98807_fb4bb6dac6c4b7de","agenda_item_id":null,"speaker_id":"off_andre_m_boggerty","speaker_confidence":0.9,"start_sec":4291.49,"end_sec":4296.19,"text":"It looks like someone was trying to get your attention. I apologize. Let me stay in my place. Go ahead.","topics_json":"[]","vector_id":"vec_seg_98807_230","created_at":"2026-10-31T05:09:14Z","speaker_name":"Andre M. Boggerty"},{"id":"seg_98807_231","meeting_id":"98807","media_asset_id":"med_98807_fb4bb6dac6c4b7de","agenda_item_id":null,"speaker_id":"off_fred_a_neil","speaker_confidence":1,"start_sec":4296.19,"end_sec":4302.19,"text":"Okay. Sure. Oh, you're welcome! It's an open hearing.","topics_json":"[]","vector_id":"vec_seg_98807_231","created_at":"2026-10-31T05:09:14Z","speaker_name":"Fred A. Neil"},{"id":"seg_98807_232","meeting_id":"98807","media_asset_id":"med_98807_fb4bb6dac6c4b7de","agenda_item_id":null,"speaker_id":"off_fred_a_neil","speaker_confidence":1,"start_sec":4305.89,"end_sec":4311.89,"text":"Yeah, well in favor, or your comments, are very welcome. Of all people!","topics_json":"[]","vector_id":"vec_seg_98807_232","created_at":"2026-10-31T05:09:14Z","speaker_name":"Fred A. 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Neil"},{"id":"seg_98807_235","meeting_id":"98807","media_asset_id":"med_98807_fb4bb6dac6c4b7de","agenda_item_id":null,"speaker_id":"spk_98807_linda_parkowski","speaker_confidence":1,"start_sec":4316.59,"end_sec":4325.19,"text":"I will tell you. So my name is Linda Parkowski. I'm executive director of the Kent Economic Partnership, and I thank you for the opportunity","topics_json":"[\"business\"]","vector_id":"vec_seg_98807_235","created_at":"2026-10-31T05:09:14Z","speaker_name":"Linda Parkowski"},{"id":"seg_98807_236","meeting_id":"98807","media_asset_id":"med_98807_fb4bb6dac6c4b7de","agenda_item_id":null,"speaker_id":"spk_98807_public_commenter","speaker_confidence":0.95,"start_sec":4325.19,"end_sec":4349.09,"text":"to be back in front of you again tonight. So I'm here to testify about the your file number AX-26-02, which is this annexation and rezoning of the three parcels along North Little Creek Road in Dover, with one of the parcels being located at 1624 North Little Creek Road, Dover, and the other parcels are unaddressed.","topics_json":"[\"zoning\",\"business\"]","vector_id":"vec_seg_98807_236","created_at":"2026-10-31T05:09:14Z","speaker_name":null},{"id":"seg_98807_237","meeting_id":"98807","media_asset_id":"med_98807_fb4bb6dac6c4b7de","agenda_item_id":null,"speaker_id":"spk_98807_public_commenter","speaker_confidence":0.95,"start_sec":4349.09,"end_sec":4395.99,"text":"The reason I'm here tonight is to ensure that council is aware, and now you are, that there are, were three studies which directly relate to this area. This area is extremely important to economic development and to your own industrial park. The Kent Economic Partnership, in addition to the MPO, in cooperation with the city of Dover, have spent considerable amount of money, time, and expertise to ensure that these studies were completed. The city has been a partner with this all along the way with these studies because they wanted, as Marilyn said, to understand the freight movement here within the city.","topics_json":"[\"business\",\"zoning\"]","vector_id":"vec_seg_98807_237","created_at":"2026-10-31T05:09:14Z","speaker_name":null},{"id":"seg_98807_238","meeting_id":"98807","media_asset_id":"med_98807_fb4bb6dac6c4b7de","agenda_item_id":null,"speaker_id":"spk_98807_public_commenter","speaker_confidence":0.95,"start_sec":4395.99,"end_sec":4407.89,"text":"The studies are as follows: the Dover Air Cargo Freight Access Study, the East-West Freight Route Phase 2 Study, that's Marilyn's map, and then the Dover Freight Plan.","topics_json":"[\"business\"]","vector_id":"vec_seg_98807_238","created_at":"2026-10-31T05:09:14Z","speaker_name":null},{"id":"seg_98807_239","meeting_id":"98807","media_asset_id":"med_98807_fb4bb6dac6c4b7de","agenda_item_id":null,"speaker_id":"spk_98807_public_commenter","speaker_confidence":0.95,"start_sec":4407.89,"end_sec":4426.99,"text":"Each of the studies identified transportation access to Route 1 as highly needed, and the East-West Freight Study specifically identified the parcels being considered tonight as the location for a south entrance to Route 1 off of North Little Creek Road.","topics_json":"[\"business\",\"zoning\"]","vector_id":"vec_seg_98807_239","created_at":"2026-10-31T05:09:14Z","speaker_name":null},{"id":"seg_98807_24","meeting_id":"98807","media_asset_id":"med_98807_fb4bb6dac6c4b7de","agenda_item_id":null,"speaker_id":"spk_98807_city_clerk","speaker_confidence":0.95,"start_sec":84.08,"end_sec":84.7,"text":"Council President Neil?","topics_json":"[]","vector_id":"vec_seg_98807_24","created_at":"2026-10-31T05:09:13Z","speaker_name":null},{"id":"seg_98807_240","meeting_id":"98807","media_asset_id":"med_98807_fb4bb6dac6c4b7de","agenda_item_id":null,"speaker_id":"spk_98807_public_commenter","speaker_confidence":0.95,"start_sec":4426.99,"end_sec":4447.19,"text":"One of the main concerns we hear all the time from the owners of Garrison Oak lots, your own industrial park, is that they need a connector road to get them to Route 1. And they also wanted a south entrance onto Route 1, which we don't have right now.","topics_json":"[\"business\"]","vector_id":"vec_seg_98807_240","created_at":"2026-10-31T05:09:14Z","speaker_name":null},{"id":"seg_98807_241","meeting_id":"98807","media_asset_id":"med_98807_fb4bb6dac6c4b7de","agenda_item_id":null,"speaker_id":"spk_98807_public_commenter","speaker_confidence":0.95,"start_sec":4447.19,"end_sec":4459.59,"text":"As you can see, I'm going to hand out this handout. It's going to show you about the connector road once I hand it out. The property owned by Worldwide Freight is identified as the area for this exchange.","topics_json":"[\"business\",\"zoning\"]","vector_id":"vec_seg_98807_241","created_at":"2026-10-31T05:09:14Z","speaker_name":null},{"id":"seg_98807_242","meeting_id":"98807","media_asset_id":"med_98807_fb4bb6dac6c4b7de","agenda_item_id":null,"speaker_id":"spk_98807_public_commenter","speaker_confidence":0.95,"start_sec":4459.59,"end_sec":4488.19,"text":"Because transportation is so important to economic development, the city has advocated for a connector road from Garrison Oak to North Little Creek in order to get to this exchange area. The city actually put it as its highest priority for many, many years. The city, the KEP, we all advocated to get that connector road into the corridor transportation plan.","topics_json":"[\"business\"]","vector_id":"vec_seg_98807_242","created_at":"2026-10-31T05:09:14Z","speaker_name":null},{"id":"seg_98807_243","meeting_id":"98807","media_asset_id":"med_98807_fb4bb6dac6c4b7de","agenda_item_id":null,"speaker_id":"spk_98807_public_commenter","speaker_confidence":0.95,"start_sec":4488.19,"end_sec":4502.79,"text":"So I'm asking the city tonight to please take a look at what you're doing. This annexation, this could be like stopping the connector road that you've advocated for for many, many years.","topics_json":"[\"zoning\",\"business\"]","vector_id":"vec_seg_98807_243","created_at":"2026-10-31T05:09:14Z","speaker_name":null},{"id":"seg_98807_244","meeting_id":"98807","media_asset_id":"med_98807_fb4bb6dac6c4b7de","agenda_item_id":null,"speaker_id":"spk_98807_public_commenter","speaker_confidence":0.95,"start_sec":4502.79,"end_sec":4521.79,"text":"All right. And even in the city's 2019 comp plan, yes, did it say this was high priority? But that's 2019. The market has changed. We are in 2026, and in 2025, this study identified we need a south and","topics_json":"[\"business\",\"zoning\"]","vector_id":"vec_seg_98807_244","created_at":"2026-10-31T05:09:14Z","speaker_name":null},{"id":"seg_98807_245","meeting_id":"98807","media_asset_id":"med_98807_fb4bb6dac6c4b7de","agenda_item_id":null,"speaker_id":"spk_98807_public_commenter","speaker_confidence":0.9,"start_sec":4521.79,"end_sec":4544.06,"text":"Okay. So, the city purchased Garrison Oak to create jobs, and it's noted in your own comp plan under Chapter 9, Transportation, page 116. Quote: \"The city-developed Garrison Oak Business Park, which was after the completion of Route 1, lacks the nearby on- or off-ramps despite being next to it.\"","topics_json":"[\"transportation\",\"business\"]","vector_id":"vec_seg_98807_245","created_at":"2026-10-31T05:09:14Z","speaker_name":null},{"id":"seg_98807_246","meeting_id":"98807","media_asset_id":"med_98807_fb4bb6dac6c4b7de","agenda_item_id":null,"speaker_id":"spk_98807_public_commenter","speaker_confidence":0.9,"start_sec":4544.06,"end_sec":4556.77,"text":"So I'm telling you, the city has been invested in transportation. They knew and realized they needed a ramp. This study gives you the opportunity to get a ramp, and I don't want the city to squander that opportunity, okay?","topics_json":"[\"transportation\",\"business\"]","vector_id":"vec_seg_98807_246","created_at":"2026-10-31T05:09:14Z","speaker_name":null},{"id":"seg_98807_247","meeting_id":"98807","media_asset_id":"med_98807_fb4bb6dac6c4b7de","agenda_item_id":null,"speaker_id":"spk_98807_public_commenter","speaker_confidence":0.9,"start_sec":4556.77,"end_sec":4607.13,"text":"This is the reason the connector road was submitted over and over and over again as the city's highest transportation priority, as noted again in the 2019 comp plan. Over and over, that transportation chapter says the lack of- of connector to Route 1 is noted.","topics_json":"[\"transportation\"]","vector_id":"vec_seg_98807_247","created_at":"2026-10-31T05:09:14Z","speaker_name":null},{"id":"seg_98807_248","meeting_id":"98807","media_asset_id":"med_98807_fb4bb6dac6c4b7de","agenda_item_id":null,"speaker_id":"spk_98807_public_commenter","speaker_confidence":0.9,"start_sec":4607.13,"end_sec":4631.72,"text":"This is true today in discussion with any any owners or businesses. This study interviewed all kinds of business owners and it kept coming up that there needed to be a ramp to get to the south, Route 1. As the MPO will attest, transportation costs money, and it costs businesses money. And the more time it takes a truck spending on back roads, the less attractive it is for that business to locate in our community.","topics_json":"[\"transportation\",\"business\"]","vector_id":"vec_seg_98807_248","created_at":"2026-10-31T05:09:14Z","speaker_name":null},{"id":"seg_98807_249","meeting_id":"98807","media_asset_id":"med_98807_fb4bb6dac6c4b7de","agenda_item_id":null,"speaker_id":"spk_98807_public_commenter","speaker_confidence":0.9,"start_sec":4631.72,"end_sec":4648.42,"text":"Chapter 15 of the comp plan noted studies that were needed for the connector. They noted the future studies they wanted done and they wanted a connector road studied right in your own comp plan. So what you're saying in your comp plan, I want you to please look at for tonight.","topics_json":"[\"transportation\"]","vector_id":"vec_seg_98807_249","created_at":"2026-10-31T05:09:14Z","speaker_name":null},{"id":"seg_98807_25","meeting_id":"98807","media_asset_id":"med_98807_fb4bb6dac6c4b7de","agenda_item_id":null,"speaker_id":"off_fred_a_neil","speaker_confidence":0.95,"start_sec":84.7,"end_sec":85.32,"text":"Yes.","topics_json":"[]","vector_id":"vec_seg_98807_25","created_at":"2026-10-31T05:09:13Z","speaker_name":"Fred A. Neil"},{"id":"seg_98807_250","meeting_id":"98807","media_asset_id":"med_98807_fb4bb6dac6c4b7de","agenda_item_id":null,"speaker_id":"spk_98807_public_commenter","speaker_confidence":0.9,"start_sec":4648.42,"end_sec":4668.87,"text":"Let's see: Did we know that the southbound ramp would be a reality? No. Do we know that it... in the CTP? No, it's not in there yet. But let me tell you, when the city, the KEP, and the MPO wanted the connector road in there, we got it into the CTP plan. So I don't think that that is far out of reach, and it's not going to take 12 years to get it in there.","topics_json":"[\"transportation\"]","vector_id":"vec_seg_98807_250","created_at":"2026-10-31T05:09:14Z","speaker_name":null},{"id":"seg_98807_251","meeting_id":"98807","media_asset_id":"med_98807_fb4bb6dac6c4b7de","agenda_item_id":null,"speaker_id":"spk_98807_public_commenter","speaker_confidence":0.9,"start_sec":4668.87,"end_sec":4687.98,"text":"Dover/Kent MPO can submit it a year from now. You know, likelihood we can make this high priority if we- if this is something that you want. And this will benefit businesses, residents. Near all the commercial activity on on Route 13, this is bigger than the annexation of three parcels into the city.","topics_json":"[\"transportation\",\"business\",\"zoning\"]","vector_id":"vec_seg_98807_251","created_at":"2026-10-31T05:09:14Z","speaker_name":null},{"id":"seg_98807_252","meeting_id":"98807","media_asset_id":"med_98807_fb4bb6dac6c4b7de","agenda_item_id":null,"speaker_id":"spk_98807_public_commenter","speaker_confidence":0.9,"start_sec":4687.98,"end_sec":4709.58,"text":"So let's not make the same mistake we made when we did... You know, I talk a lot about the rail study. Well, along the rail study we have a beautiful rail line, but for 20 years we approved housing projects all along that rail line. Okay, that was our zoning decisions we were making then. I want us to take a pause and not make those same zoning decisions tonight where we have an opportunity to get a southbound ramp onto Route 1.","topics_json":"[\"housing\",\"zoning\",\"transportation\"]","vector_id":"vec_seg_98807_252","created_at":"2026-10-31T05:09:14Z","speaker_name":null},{"id":"seg_98807_253","meeting_id":"98807","media_asset_id":"med_98807_fb4bb6dac6c4b7de","agenda_item_id":null,"speaker_id":"spk_98807_public_commenter","speaker_confidence":0.9,"start_sec":4709.58,"end_sec":4718.39,"text":"So all I'm asking is that take a pause, and to to your question, probably not. Your question was: Can they...","topics_json":"[\"zoning\"]","vector_id":"vec_seg_98807_253","created_at":"2026-10-31T05:09:14Z","speaker_name":null},{"id":"seg_98807_254","meeting_id":"98807","media_asset_id":"med_98807_fb4bb6dac6c4b7de","agenda_item_id":null,"speaker_id":"spk_98807_female_speaker","speaker_confidence":0.85,"start_sec":4718.39,"end_sec":4720.79,"text":"move along simultaneously, probably not.","topics_json":"[\"zoning\"]","vector_id":"vec_seg_98807_254","created_at":"2026-10-31T05:09:14Z","speaker_name":null},{"id":"seg_98807_255","meeting_id":"98807","media_asset_id":"med_98807_fb4bb6dac6c4b7de","agenda_item_id":null,"speaker_id":"spk_98807_female_speaker","speaker_confidence":0.85,"start_sec":4721.09,"end_sec":4727.09,"text":"DelDOT would probably purchase the whole property and there would be an easement to it.","topics_json":"[\"zoning\"]","vector_id":"vec_seg_98807_255","created_at":"2026-10-31T05:09:14Z","speaker_name":null},{"id":"seg_98807_256","meeting_id":"98807","media_asset_id":"med_98807_fb4bb6dac6c4b7de","agenda_item_id":null,"speaker_id":"spk_98807_female_speaker","speaker_confidence":0.85,"start_sec":4727.09,"end_sec":4744.09,"text":"So it's probably not something that you could say, \"Okay, let's annex in and then let them build their storage and then let DelDOT deal with that.\" It's that's probably not the way it would happen. I'm not a transportation planner, so I can't tell you that for sure.","topics_json":"[\"zoning\"]","vector_id":"vec_seg_98807_256","created_at":"2026-10-31T05:09:14Z","speaker_name":null},{"id":"seg_98807_257","meeting_id":"98807","media_asset_id":"med_98807_fb4bb6dac6c4b7de","agenda_item_id":null,"speaker_id":"spk_98807_female_speaker","speaker_confidence":0.85,"start_sec":4744.69,"end_sec":4756.39,"text":"But I do um want to hand out this to show you the connector road and show you how it interplays, the connector road that this city asked for for many many years and how it interplays into this road.","topics_json":"[\"zoning\"]","vector_id":"vec_seg_98807_257","created_at":"2026-10-31T05:09:14Z","speaker_name":null},{"id":"seg_98807_258","meeting_id":"98807","media_asset_id":"med_98807_fb4bb6dac6c4b7de","agenda_item_id":null,"speaker_id":"off_fred_a_neil","speaker_confidence":0.9,"start_sec":4756.49,"end_sec":4757.29,"text":"Thank you.","topics_json":"[\"zoning\"]","vector_id":"vec_seg_98807_258","created_at":"2026-10-31T05:09:14Z","speaker_name":"Fred A. Neil"},{"id":"seg_98807_259","meeting_id":"98807","media_asset_id":"med_98807_fb4bb6dac6c4b7de","agenda_item_id":null,"speaker_id":"spk_98807_female_speaker","speaker_confidence":0.85,"start_sec":4757.79,"end_sec":4761.49,"text":"All right. So I'm happy to answer any questions that anybody may have.","topics_json":"[\"zoning\"]","vector_id":"vec_seg_98807_259","created_at":"2026-10-31T05:09:14Z","speaker_name":null},{"id":"seg_98807_26","meeting_id":"98807","media_asset_id":"med_98807_fb4bb6dac6c4b7de","agenda_item_id":null,"speaker_id":"off_fred_a_neil","speaker_confidence":0.95,"start_sec":85.32,"end_sec":95.75,"text":"It's uh eight to one with one absent. It has passed. Now we have proclamations. The Irish uh History Month, and I'll ask uh Councilwoman Arndt to please stand with uh anyone here from... You're going to be receiving the the uh proclamation.","topics_json":"[]","vector_id":"vec_seg_98807_26","created_at":"2026-10-31T05:09:13Z","speaker_name":"Fred A. Neil"},{"id":"seg_98807_260","meeting_id":"98807","media_asset_id":"med_98807_fb4bb6dac6c4b7de","agenda_item_id":null,"speaker_id":"off_fred_a_neil","speaker_confidence":0.95,"start_sec":4761.69,"end_sec":4763.79,"text":"Questions? Uh Councilman Rocha.","topics_json":"[\"zoning\"]","vector_id":"vec_seg_98807_260","created_at":"2026-10-31T05:09:14Z","speaker_name":"Fred A. Neil"},{"id":"seg_98807_261","meeting_id":"98807","media_asset_id":"med_98807_fb4bb6dac6c4b7de","agenda_item_id":null,"speaker_id":"off_gerald_l_rocha_sr","speaker_confidence":0.95,"start_sec":4764.09,"end_sec":4766.29,"text":"Yes, thank you Council President. Um","topics_json":"[\"zoning\"]","vector_id":"vec_seg_98807_261","created_at":"2026-10-31T05:09:14Z","speaker_name":"Gerald L. Rocha, Sr."},{"id":"seg_98807_262","meeting_id":"98807","media_asset_id":"med_98807_fb4bb6dac6c4b7de","agenda_item_id":null,"speaker_id":"off_gerald_l_rocha_sr","speaker_confidence":0.95,"start_sec":4767.09,"end_sec":4825.79,"text":"my question is now is is um if the council approves the annexation and the rezoning, how does that impact DelDOT with negotiating with the property owner if they need the land for the for the ramp?","topics_json":"[\"zoning\"]","vector_id":"vec_seg_98807_262","created_at":"2026-10-31T05:09:14Z","speaker_name":"Gerald L. Rocha, Sr."},{"id":"seg_98807_263","meeting_id":"98807","media_asset_id":"med_98807_fb4bb6dac6c4b7de","agenda_item_id":null,"speaker_id":"spk_98807_female_speaker","speaker_confidence":0.85,"start_sec":4826.49,"end_sec":4837.19,"text":"Well, I and I I don't want to answer for DelDOT. I don't think I should answer for DelDOT at all, you know. So that's that's not a question that I'm prepared to to answer.","topics_json":"[\"zoning\"]","vector_id":"vec_seg_98807_263","created_at":"2026-10-31T05:09:14Z","speaker_name":null},{"id":"seg_98807_264","meeting_id":"98807","media_asset_id":"med_98807_fb4bb6dac6c4b7de","agenda_item_id":null,"speaker_id":"spk_98807_female_speaker","speaker_confidence":0.85,"start_sec":4837.59,"end_sec":4851.49,"text":"And we have had discussions with the owners' rep rep, made them aware of this project in these studies, and that um you know they could always on their own negotiate with DelDOT.","topics_json":"[\"zoning\"]","vector_id":"vec_seg_98807_264","created_at":"2026-10-31T05:09:14Z","speaker_name":null},{"id":"seg_98807_265","meeting_id":"98807","media_asset_id":"med_98807_fb4bb6dac6c4b7de","agenda_item_id":null,"speaker_id":"off_gerald_l_rocha_sr","speaker_confidence":0.95,"start_sec":4851.79,"end_sec":4862.89,"text":"So I I don't know who's going to answer the question, but our action tonight, how does that impact the potential of a ramp? I I just, you know, I need the clarity on that.","topics_json":"[\"zoning\"]","vector_id":"vec_seg_98807_265","created_at":"2026-10-31T05:09:14Z","speaker_name":"Gerald L. Rocha, Sr."},{"id":"seg_98807_266","meeting_id":"98807","media_asset_id":"med_98807_fb4bb6dac6c4b7de","agenda_item_id":null,"speaker_id":"spk_98807_female_speaker","speaker_confidence":0.85,"start_sec":4863.79,"end_sec":4878.29,"text":"So my suggestion is we take a pause. Get answers that you need, and take a pause, because what you're going to decide tonight and in the future with this property is going to have a lasting impact to the city and your transportation needs.","topics_json":"[\"zoning\"]","vector_id":"vec_seg_98807_266","created_at":"2026-10-31T05:09:14Z","speaker_name":null},{"id":"seg_98807_267","meeting_id":"98807","media_asset_id":"med_98807_fb4bb6dac6c4b7de","agenda_item_id":null,"speaker_id":"off_gerald_l_rocha_sr","speaker_confidence":0.95,"start_sec":4878.79,"end_sec":4881.09,"text":"Okay, I can go along with that. I yield.","topics_json":"[\"zoning\"]","vector_id":"vec_seg_98807_267","created_at":"2026-10-31T05:09:14Z","speaker_name":"Gerald L. Rocha, Sr."},{"id":"seg_98807_268","meeting_id":"98807","media_asset_id":"med_98807_fb4bb6dac6c4b7de","agenda_item_id":null,"speaker_id":"off_fred_a_neil","speaker_confidence":0.95,"start_sec":4881.59,"end_sec":4914.99,"text":"Any other questions? I'm going to declare this public hearing now open. And since we are already heard from before, anybody else would like to testify for this annexation? Hearing none, anybody would like to hear uh hear against this annexation? Hearing none, this public hearing is closed. I want to make this comment, if I think it's moot on our part not to bring it in as annexation. Whatever negotiations are going to go between the owner of this property and DelDOT or anybody else is separate from the the what what is going to occur when you create this connection uh to to one. That's the only thing that is really our concern. Our concern is with every piece of property that would be able to use that moving down. The negotiations between the state and a private owner of property is really not our concern at this point. We we can't protect that property owner by by turning this down. So I would say let's move on","topics_json":"[\"zoning\"]","vector_id":"vec_seg_98807_268","created_at":"2026-10-31T05:09:14Z","speaker_name":"Fred A. Neil"},{"id":"seg_98807_269","meeting_id":"98807","media_asset_id":"med_98807_fb4bb6dac6c4b7de","agenda_item_id":null,"speaker_id":"off_fred_a_neil","speaker_confidence":1,"start_sec":4914.99,"end_sec":4927.99,"text":"That's with the process. And, uh, and, uh, entertain a motion for the adoption of the annexation, uh, resolution 2026-04.","topics_json":"[\"zoning\"]","vector_id":"vec_seg_98807_269","created_at":"2026-10-31T05:09:14Z","speaker_name":"Fred A. Neil"},{"id":"seg_98807_27","meeting_id":"98807","media_asset_id":"med_98807_fb4bb6dac6c4b7de","agenda_item_id":null,"speaker_id":"off_tricia_k_arndt","speaker_confidence":0.95,"start_sec":95.75,"end_sec":96.5,"text":"Am I Irish today?","topics_json":"[]","vector_id":"vec_seg_98807_27","created_at":"2026-10-31T05:09:13Z","speaker_name":"Tricia K. Arndt"},{"id":"seg_98807_270","meeting_id":"98807","media_asset_id":"med_98807_fb4bb6dac6c4b7de","agenda_item_id":null,"speaker_id":"off_david_l_anderson","speaker_confidence":1,"start_sec":4927.99,"end_sec":4935.89,"text":"I'll make a motion that we adopt, uh, annexation resolution 2026-04. Is there a second?","topics_json":"[\"zoning\"]","vector_id":"vec_seg_98807_270","created_at":"2026-10-31T05:09:14Z","speaker_name":"David L. Anderson"},{"id":"seg_98807_271","meeting_id":"98807","media_asset_id":"med_98807_fb4bb6dac6c4b7de","agenda_item_id":null,"speaker_id":"off_julia_m_pillsbury","speaker_confidence":1,"start_sec":4935.89,"end_sec":4937.49,"text":"Pillsbury seconds it.","topics_json":"[\"zoning\"]","vector_id":"vec_seg_98807_271","created_at":"2026-10-31T05:09:14Z","speaker_name":"Julia M. Pillsbury"},{"id":"seg_98807_272","meeting_id":"98807","media_asset_id":"med_98807_fb4bb6dac6c4b7de","agenda_item_id":null,"speaker_id":"off_fred_a_neil","speaker_confidence":1,"start_sec":4937.49,"end_sec":4940.89,"text":"Pillsbury seconds. Okay, roll call vote.","topics_json":"[\"zoning\"]","vector_id":"vec_seg_98807_272","created_at":"2026-10-31T05:09:14Z","speaker_name":"Fred A. Neil"},{"id":"seg_98807_273","meeting_id":"98807","media_asset_id":"med_98807_fb4bb6dac6c4b7de","agenda_item_id":null,"speaker_id":"off_andre_m_boggerty","speaker_confidence":1,"start_sec":4940.89,"end_sec":4942.19,"text":"Discussion?","topics_json":"[\"zoning\"]","vector_id":"vec_seg_98807_273","created_at":"2026-10-31T05:09:14Z","speaker_name":"Andre M. Boggerty"},{"id":"seg_98807_274","meeting_id":"98807","media_asset_id":"med_98807_fb4bb6dac6c4b7de","agenda_item_id":null,"speaker_id":"off_fred_a_neil","speaker_confidence":1,"start_sec":4942.19,"end_sec":4944.49,"text":"Yes. Discussion.","topics_json":"[\"zoning\"]","vector_id":"vec_seg_98807_274","created_at":"2026-10-31T05:09:14Z","speaker_name":"Fred A. Neil"},{"id":"seg_98807_275","meeting_id":"98807","media_asset_id":"med_98807_fb4bb6dac6c4b7de","agenda_item_id":null,"speaker_id":"off_andre_m_boggerty","speaker_confidence":1,"start_sec":4944.49,"end_sec":5032.99,"text":"Um, charge it to somewhat my naivety. Um, we got a lot real fast regarding, I, I know well, this is not rezoning, this is annexation, so it's different. So taking into consideration everything we got, what's, what with its future impact, and the hopeful, you know, the pros and cons of it. Potentially new, um, income generations, you know, with new companies behind it, the impact to current, um, current, um, development and, and opportunities as well. I, I, I would, this, well, this is could work, well, not going to help me. This is, can we, a Safety Advisory Transportation, can we, can we get a, a, a moment to really dissect more of this? Um, this was a lot. I'm not a transportation person, I'm a people person. I know how to fix organizations and all of that, but this stuff was a, this is kind of a lot, and I don't want to jeopardize the growth and impact of our city, nor do I want to hurt a potential owner from, um, you know, doing business. I just want to be fair and informed in my decision, and I'm not certain if I'm comfortable with how much I know. Is there a, I don't, I, I guess I'm asking...","topics_json":"[\"zoning\",\"business\"]","vector_id":"vec_seg_98807_275","created_at":"2026-10-31T05:09:14Z","speaker_name":"Andre M. Boggerty"},{"id":"seg_98807_276","meeting_id":"98807","media_asset_id":"med_98807_fb4bb6dac6c4b7de","agenda_item_id":null,"speaker_id":"off_fred_a_neil","speaker_confidence":1,"start_sec":5032.99,"end_sec":5057.89,"text":"Yeah. Councilman Boggerty, I, thought I heard Mr. Scott, who's the engineer, say he wants this to happen. Would you like to hear him say, \"Yes, I want this to happen\" or \"I don't want this to happen\"? Because that's exactly what he said for his company that he owns this. This is what, what his business is. And that's what I heard. If I'm wrong, Mr. Scott can come back up and say, \"Yes, we want to be annexed in.\"","topics_json":"[\"zoning\",\"business\"]","vector_id":"vec_seg_98807_276","created_at":"2026-10-31T05:09:14Z","speaker_name":"Fred A. Neil"},{"id":"seg_98807_277","meeting_id":"98807","media_asset_id":"med_98807_fb4bb6dac6c4b7de","agenda_item_id":null,"speaker_id":"off_andre_m_boggerty","speaker_confidence":1,"start_sec":5057.89,"end_sec":5059.29,"text":"I, I've heard--","topics_json":"[\"zoning\"]","vector_id":"vec_seg_98807_277","created_at":"2026-10-31T05:09:14Z","speaker_name":"Andre M. 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Um, I never try to abstain from anything, but I think this is, I'm in a disadvantage. And I, and I'm, I'm strong where I'm strong, and there's opportunities where I, I would like to know more so I can be fair to both sides, both parties, and with our city in mind as","topics_json":"[\"zoning\",\"business\"]","vector_id":"vec_seg_98807_279","created_at":"2026-10-31T05:09:14Z","speaker_name":"Andre M. Boggerty"},{"id":"seg_98807_28","meeting_id":"98807","media_asset_id":"med_98807_fb4bb6dac6c4b7de","agenda_item_id":null,"speaker_id":"off_fred_a_neil","speaker_confidence":0.95,"start_sec":96.5,"end_sec":127.24,"text":"Yes, you are. We do have people here: Sandy Jenkins, Marge Felty, and Roberta Faircloth. Please come forward.","topics_json":"[]","vector_id":"vec_seg_98807_28","created_at":"2026-10-31T05:09:13Z","speaker_name":"Fred A. 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Uh, any rezoning to that does not lock them into that one particular use.","topics_json":"[\"zoning\",\"business\"]","vector_id":"vec_seg_98807_288","created_at":"2026-10-31T05:09:14Z","speaker_name":"Dawn Melson-Williams"},{"id":"seg_98807_289","meeting_id":"98807","media_asset_id":"med_98807_fb4bb6dac6c4b7de","agenda_item_id":null,"speaker_id":"off_david_l_anderson","speaker_confidence":0.95,"start_sec":5255.21,"end_sec":5268.85,"text":"Thank you. It's uh, that's really, I mean, I uh, I am uh, going to make a motion for we Because I want to be fair to both sides, and I just don't feel I have enough information for that late tonight, so I make a motion that we uh, defer um, this","topics_json":"[\"zoning\"]","vector_id":"vec_seg_98807_289","created_at":"2026-10-31T05:09:14Z","speaker_name":"David L. 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Rocha, Sr."},{"id":"seg_98807_306","meeting_id":"98807","media_asset_id":"med_98807_fb4bb6dac6c4b7de","agenda_item_id":null,"speaker_id":"spk_98807_city_clerk","speaker_confidence":0.95,"start_sec":5318.68,"end_sec":5319.3,"text":"Mr. Lewis?","topics_json":"[]","vector_id":"vec_seg_98807_306","created_at":"2026-10-31T05:09:14Z","speaker_name":null},{"id":"seg_98807_307","meeting_id":"98807","media_asset_id":"med_98807_fb4bb6dac6c4b7de","agenda_item_id":null,"speaker_id":"off_brian_e_lewis","speaker_confidence":0.95,"start_sec":5319.3,"end_sec":5320.06,"text":"Yes.","topics_json":"[]","vector_id":"vec_seg_98807_307","created_at":"2026-10-31T05:09:14Z","speaker_name":"Brian E. 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It's been deferred for 30 days.","topics_json":"[\"zoning\"]","vector_id":"vec_seg_98807_309","created_at":"2026-10-31T05:09:14Z","speaker_name":"Fred A. Neil"},{"id":"seg_98807_31","meeting_id":"98807","media_asset_id":"med_98807_fb4bb6dac6c4b7de","agenda_item_id":null,"speaker_id":"off_tricia_k_arndt","speaker_confidence":0.95,"start_sec":138.79,"end_sec":196.6,"text":"Whereas, the city of Dover proudly joins communities across the nation in recognizing March 2024 as Irish History Month, a time to celebrate the rich heritage, culture, and enduring contributions of Irish Americans. And whereas, Irish immigrants began arriving in America in significant numbers in the 18th and 19th centuries, bringing with them resilience, faith, and a strong work ethic that helped shape our nation's growth and prosperity. And whereas, Irish Americans have played a vital role in the founding and development of the United States, including three signers of the Declaration of Independence, George Read, Thomas McKean, and Charles Carroll of Carrollton, each of Irish descent. And whereas, throughout American history, Irish Americans have served with distinction in government, public safety, education, business, military service,","topics_json":"[\"public_safety\"]","vector_id":"vec_seg_98807_31","created_at":"2026-10-31T05:09:13Z","speaker_name":"Tricia K. 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Okay, with that, and we'll move to uh...","topics_json":"[\"zoning\"]","vector_id":"vec_seg_98807_313","created_at":"2026-10-31T05:09:14Z","speaker_name":"Fred A. Neil"},{"id":"seg_98807_314","meeting_id":"98807","media_asset_id":"med_98807_fb4bb6dac6c4b7de","agenda_item_id":null,"speaker_id":"off_fred_a_neil","speaker_confidence":0.95,"start_sec":5384.47,"end_sec":5390.58,"text":"...our cluster. We don't need a public hearing now, right? Before we get into 2026- we don't need this at this time.","topics_json":"[\"zoning\"]","vector_id":"vec_seg_98807_314","created_at":"2026-10-31T05:09:14Z","speaker_name":"Fred A. Neil"},{"id":"seg_98807_315","meeting_id":"98807","media_asset_id":"med_98807_fb4bb6dac6c4b7de","agenda_item_id":null,"speaker_id":"off_fred_a_neil","speaker_confidence":0.95,"start_sec":5390.58,"end_sec":5391.56,"text":"Yes, Mr. Boggerty.","topics_json":"[]","vector_id":"vec_seg_98807_315","created_at":"2026-10-31T05:09:14Z","speaker_name":"Fred A. 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You have to annex it first and then rezone it. If you if you haven't annexed it, yeah.","topics_json":"[\"zoning\"]","vector_id":"vec_seg_98807_339","created_at":"2026-10-31T05:09:14Z","speaker_name":"Nicholas Rodriguez"},{"id":"seg_98807_34","meeting_id":"98807","media_asset_id":"med_98807_fb4bb6dac6c4b7de","agenda_item_id":null,"speaker_id":"off_fred_a_neil","speaker_confidence":0.95,"start_sec":253.66,"end_sec":307.47,"text":"Take a picture, but also we'll give you the opportunity, Mr. Clendaniel, to talk about it. And I want to let you know that officially from now until the end of the parade, I'm Fred O'Neil. And I can talk like an Irishman if I have to.","topics_json":"[]","vector_id":"vec_seg_98807_34","created_at":"2026-10-31T05:09:13Z","speaker_name":"Fred A. 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Anderson"},{"id":"seg_98807_364","meeting_id":"98807","media_asset_id":"med_98807_fb4bb6dac6c4b7de","agenda_item_id":null,"speaker_id":"off_roy_sudler_jr","speaker_confidence":1,"start_sec":5679.19,"end_sec":5683.39,"text":"I I can ask, could it go on there? So...","topics_json":"[\"public_safety\"]","vector_id":"vec_seg_98807_364","created_at":"2026-10-31T05:09:14Z","speaker_name":"Roy Sudler, Jr."},{"id":"seg_98807_365","meeting_id":"98807","media_asset_id":"med_98807_fb4bb6dac6c4b7de","agenda_item_id":null,"speaker_id":"off_roy_sudler_jr","speaker_confidence":1,"start_sec":5683.39,"end_sec":5692.59,"text":"Okay, yes. Could you put it on Safety Advisory? Thank you. Austin Conley, I ask could it go on Safety Advisory and Transportation? Could it go on Safety Advisory and Transportation? I would appreciate it.","topics_json":"[\"public_safety\"]","vector_id":"vec_seg_98807_365","created_at":"2026-10-31T05:09:14Z","speaker_name":"Roy Sudler, Jr."},{"id":"seg_98807_366","meeting_id":"98807","media_asset_id":"med_98807_fb4bb6dac6c4b7de","agenda_item_id":null,"speaker_id":"off_fred_a_neil","speaker_confidence":1,"start_sec":5692.59,"end_sec":5694.89,"text":"Will the chairman of that agree?","topics_json":"[\"public_safety\"]","vector_id":"vec_seg_98807_366","created_at":"2026-10-31T05:09:14Z","speaker_name":"Fred A. 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The next one is a public hearing on proposed Ordinance 2026-07. The first reading of the proposed ordinance was accomplished during the council meeting of January 28th, 2026. The ordinance is at the entrance of the City Council Chambers, on the city website at www.cityofdover.com under government. I'll first entertain a motion","topics_json":"[\"zoning\"]","vector_id":"vec_seg_98807_377","created_at":"2026-10-31T05:09:14Z","speaker_name":"Fred A. Neil"},{"id":"seg_98807_378","meeting_id":"98807","media_asset_id":"med_98807_fb4bb6dac6c4b7de","agenda_item_id":null,"speaker_id":"off_fred_a_neil","speaker_confidence":0.95,"start_sec":5742.92,"end_sec":5785.58,"text":"to consider the final reading by title only, which is simply to allow the waiving of the reading. A separate motion will be necessary for adoption. What is the pleasure of the council?","topics_json":"[]","vector_id":"vec_seg_98807_378","created_at":"2026-10-31T05:09:14Z","speaker_name":"Fred A. Neil"},{"id":"seg_98807_379","meeting_id":"98807","media_asset_id":"med_98807_fb4bb6dac6c4b7de","agenda_item_id":null,"speaker_id":"off_tricia_k_arndt","speaker_confidence":0.9,"start_sec":5785.58,"end_sec":5789.15,"text":"I please move for reading of title only. Thank you.","topics_json":"[]","vector_id":"vec_seg_98807_379","created_at":"2026-10-31T05:09:14Z","speaker_name":"Tricia K. Arndt"},{"id":"seg_98807_38","meeting_id":"98807","media_asset_id":"med_98807_fb4bb6dac6c4b7de","agenda_item_id":null,"speaker_id":"off_fred_a_neil","speaker_confidence":0.95,"start_sec":331.02,"end_sec":355.82,"text":"Okay, American Red Cross Month. I ask Councilwoman Pillsbury to step to the podium and invite, uh do we have someone here for uh, for Red Cross? No. You will be accepting. Oh, we do have someone. That's right, she's here. And we called her earlier. And Madam Clerk, please read the uh, Red Cross Month proclamation into the record.","topics_json":"[]","vector_id":"vec_seg_98807_38","created_at":"2026-10-31T05:09:13Z","speaker_name":"Fred A. Neil"},{"id":"seg_98807_380","meeting_id":"98807","media_asset_id":"med_98807_fb4bb6dac6c4b7de","agenda_item_id":null,"speaker_id":"off_fred_a_neil","speaker_confidence":0.95,"start_sec":5789.15,"end_sec":5790.21,"text":"Is that second?","topics_json":"[]","vector_id":"vec_seg_98807_380","created_at":"2026-10-31T05:09:14Z","speaker_name":"Fred A. Neil"},{"id":"seg_98807_381","meeting_id":"98807","media_asset_id":"med_98807_fb4bb6dac6c4b7de","agenda_item_id":null,"speaker_id":"off_gerald_l_rocha_sr","speaker_confidence":0.9,"start_sec":5790.21,"end_sec":5791.46,"text":"Rocha seconds.","topics_json":"[]","vector_id":"vec_seg_98807_381","created_at":"2026-10-31T05:09:14Z","speaker_name":"Gerald L. Rocha, Sr."},{"id":"seg_98807_382","meeting_id":"98807","media_asset_id":"med_98807_fb4bb6dac6c4b7de","agenda_item_id":null,"speaker_id":"off_fred_a_neil","speaker_confidence":0.95,"start_sec":5791.46,"end_sec":5796.62,"text":"It's been seconded. Any discussion? All in favor say aye. Any opposed? Okay.","topics_json":"[]","vector_id":"vec_seg_98807_382","created_at":"2026-10-31T05:09:14Z","speaker_name":"Fred A. Neil"},{"id":"seg_98807_383","meeting_id":"98807","media_asset_id":"med_98807_fb4bb6dac6c4b7de","agenda_item_id":null,"speaker_id":"spk_98807_fred_a_neil","speaker_confidence":0.95,"start_sec":5796.62,"end_sec":5815.64,"text":"Ordinance 2026-07, lands of United Worldwide Express LLC at 1600 North Little Creek Road and adjacent parcel at 0.509 ac North Little Creek Road. Request Dawn Melson-Williams, the Principal Planner, to brief the council on this item.","topics_json":"[\"zoning\"]","vector_id":"vec_seg_98807_383","created_at":"2026-10-31T05:09:14Z","speaker_name":null},{"id":"seg_98807_384","meeting_id":"98807","media_asset_id":"med_98807_fb4bb6dac6c4b7de","agenda_item_id":null,"speaker_id":"off_tricia_k_arndt","speaker_confidence":0.9,"start_sec":5815.64,"end_sec":5817.33,"text":"Council Council President, if I may.","topics_json":"[]","vector_id":"vec_seg_98807_384","created_at":"2026-10-31T05:09:14Z","speaker_name":"Tricia K. Arndt"},{"id":"seg_98807_385","meeting_id":"98807","media_asset_id":"med_98807_fb4bb6dac6c4b7de","agenda_item_id":null,"speaker_id":"off_fred_a_neil","speaker_confidence":0.95,"start_sec":5817.33,"end_sec":5818.21,"text":"Yes.","topics_json":"[]","vector_id":"vec_seg_98807_385","created_at":"2026-10-31T05:09:14Z","speaker_name":"Fred A. Neil"},{"id":"seg_98807_386","meeting_id":"98807","media_asset_id":"med_98807_fb4bb6dac6c4b7de","agenda_item_id":null,"speaker_id":"off_tricia_k_arndt","speaker_confidence":0.9,"start_sec":5818.21,"end_sec":5821.34,"text":"This is the the same proposal, correct?","topics_json":"[]","vector_id":"vec_seg_98807_386","created_at":"2026-10-31T05:09:14Z","speaker_name":"Tricia K. Arndt"},{"id":"seg_98807_387","meeting_id":"98807","media_asset_id":"med_98807_fb4bb6dac6c4b7de","agenda_item_id":null,"speaker_id":"spk_98807_city_clerk","speaker_confidence":0.85,"start_sec":5821.34,"end_sec":5823.13,"text":"No, it's the third one.","topics_json":"[]","vector_id":"vec_seg_98807_387","created_at":"2026-10-31T05:09:14Z","speaker_name":null},{"id":"seg_98807_388","meeting_id":"98807","media_asset_id":"med_98807_fb4bb6dac6c4b7de","agenda_item_id":null,"speaker_id":"off_tricia_k_arndt","speaker_confidence":0.9,"start_sec":5823.13,"end_sec":5831.61,"text":"Is it in the same location adjacent to the other two parcels? With the same issues? Okay, then I will have to recuse myself from the discussion and the vote from this one for this one as well.","topics_json":"[]","vector_id":"vec_seg_98807_388","created_at":"2026-10-31T05:09:14Z","speaker_name":"Tricia K. Arndt"},{"id":"seg_98807_389","meeting_id":"98807","media_asset_id":"med_98807_fb4bb6dac6c4b7de","agenda_item_id":null,"speaker_id":"off_david_l_anderson","speaker_confidence":0.85,"start_sec":5831.61,"end_sec":5870.7,"text":"Council President, I would be interested in seeing how this differs, Ms. Melson-Williams.","topics_json":"[\"zoning\"]","vector_id":"vec_seg_98807_389","created_at":"2026-10-31T05:09:14Z","speaker_name":"David L. Anderson"},{"id":"seg_98807_39","meeting_id":"98807","media_asset_id":"med_98807_fb4bb6dac6c4b7de","agenda_item_id":null,"speaker_id":"spk_98807_city_clerk","speaker_confidence":0.9,"start_sec":356.2,"end_sec":393.2,"text":"Whereas, for 145 years, the American Red Cross has provided relief, comfort, and hope to those in need, inspired by its founder, Clara Barton, who first brought humanitarian relief efforts to communities across our nation. And whereas, the American Red Cross Delmarva Chapter faithfully responds to disasters of all sizes, whether it is delivering shelter, food, and comfort after disasters, providing safe, lifesaving blood supply for patients facing conditions like cancer treatments, childbirth complications, and traumatic injuries, assisting military members, veterans, and their families with 24/7 global support, or empowering individuals with skills like first aid and CPR that save lives. And whereas, these collective efforts are a powerful reminder that the strength of our community lies in our shared commitment to one another. And whereas, March is nationally recognized as American Red Cross Month, a time to honor the everyday heroes who give their time, donate blood, contribute resources, and answer the call to serve neighbors in times of crisis. Now, therefore, I, Robin R. Christiansen, Mayor of the city of Dover, Delaware, do hereby proclaim March 2026 as American Red Cross Month in the city of Dover and urge all residents to recognize the vital contributions of the American Red Cross","topics_json":"[]","vector_id":"vec_seg_98807_39","created_at":"2026-10-31T05:09:13Z","speaker_name":null},{"id":"seg_98807_390","meeting_id":"98807","media_asset_id":"med_98807_fb4bb6dac6c4b7de","agenda_item_id":null,"speaker_id":"spk_98807_dawn_melson_williams","speaker_confidence":0.95,"start_sec":5870.7,"end_sec":5897.99,"text":"Uh so what is before you with uh proposed Ordinance 2026-01, uh the lands of United Worldwide Express LLC at 1600 North Little Creek Road and the adjacent parcel to its east. Uh these two parcels of land as shown on the screen in yellow are already within the city of Dover. Um they have a city of Dover zoning classification of CPO, which is Commercial Professional Office zone, and are subject","topics_json":"[\"zoning\"]","vector_id":"vec_seg_98807_390","created_at":"2026-10-31T05:09:14Z","speaker_name":"Dawn Melson-Williams"},{"id":"seg_98807_391","meeting_id":"98807","media_asset_id":"med_98807_fb4bb6dac6c4b7de","agenda_item_id":null,"speaker_id":"spk_98807_dawn_melson_williams","speaker_confidence":0.95,"start_sec":5897.98,"end_sec":6064.38,"text":"Industrial Park Manufacturing um would be compliant with that land use category. Uh the reason for their request is potential redevelopment of the um the two parcels. Uh one parcel previously included a building, which has now been um demolished, and the other one is vacant. Uh this was considered by the Planning Commission as application Z-26-01. It was subject to public hearing before the Planning Commission on February uh 17th of 2026, where one member of the public spoke. Um we have included in your packet a copy of the um draft Planning Commission meeting minutes um from that evening. Uh the Planning Commission did recommend approval of the rezoning of these two parcels from CPO and AEOZ to the IPM, Industrial Park Manufacturing zone, remaining subject to the Airport Environs Overlay zone. Included in your packet was the detailed um report from the Development Advisory Committee, which includes information from the city's comprehensive plan, um the listing of the code requirements of the IPM zone, uh the planning staff um city planner report, our recommendation for approval of the annexation, as well as the Planning Commission's action and their reasons for um recommending approval of the rezoning, again looking at uses permitted in the area, the adequacy of public infrastructure, um and the compliance with the city's comprehensive plan. Uh this project, our rezoning location is um here on the south side of North Little Creek Road in the same general vicinity um as the Route 8 um State Route 1 interchange. As part of the application review process, the MPO and others um did advise the applicant of the series of freight and transportation-related studies that have identified um future opportunities for improvements to this interchange in this area. Uh so, um with with that, the Planning Commission as well as Planning staff is recommending approval of the uh rezoning of these two parcels of land uh to IPM and subject to the Airport Environs Overlay zone. Uh this does not approve any development of those parcels as that would be subject to a future site development plan uh review process.","topics_json":"[\"zoning\"]","vector_id":"vec_seg_98807_391","created_at":"2026-10-31T05:09:14Z","speaker_name":"Dawn Melson-Williams"},{"id":"seg_98807_392","meeting_id":"98807","media_asset_id":"med_98807_fb4bb6dac6c4b7de","agenda_item_id":null,"speaker_id":"off_fred_a_neil","speaker_confidence":0.95,"start_sec":6064.38,"end_sec":6067.28,"text":"Any questions? Yes, Councilman Rocha.","topics_json":"[\"zoning\"]","vector_id":"vec_seg_98807_392","created_at":"2026-10-31T05:09:14Z","speaker_name":"Fred A. Neil"},{"id":"seg_98807_393","meeting_id":"98807","media_asset_id":"med_98807_fb4bb6dac6c4b7de","agenda_item_id":null,"speaker_id":"off_gerald_l_rocha_sr","speaker_confidence":0.95,"start_sec":6067.28,"end_sec":6083.18,"text":"Yes, uh President, thanks for recognizing me. I I move that we defer um uh this this request for annexation uh 20-26-07 to the uh Safety and Transportation uh Committee.","topics_json":"[\"zoning\"]","vector_id":"vec_seg_98807_393","created_at":"2026-10-31T05:09:14Z","speaker_name":"Gerald L. Rocha, Sr."},{"id":"seg_98807_394","meeting_id":"98807","media_asset_id":"med_98807_fb4bb6dac6c4b7de","agenda_item_id":null,"speaker_id":"off_fred_a_neil","speaker_confidence":0.95,"start_sec":6083.18,"end_sec":6084.38,"text":"This isn't an annexation.","topics_json":"[\"zoning\"]","vector_id":"vec_seg_98807_394","created_at":"2026-10-31T05:09:14Z","speaker_name":"Fred A. 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Rocha, Sr."},{"id":"seg_98807_397","meeting_id":"98807","media_asset_id":"med_98807_fb4bb6dac6c4b7de","agenda_item_id":null,"speaker_id":"spk_98807_dawn_melson_williams","speaker_confidence":0.95,"start_sec":6086.28,"end_sec":6087.68,"text":"This is a rezoning application.","topics_json":"[\"zoning\"]","vector_id":"vec_seg_98807_397","created_at":"2026-10-31T05:09:14Z","speaker_name":"Dawn Melson-Williams"},{"id":"seg_98807_398","meeting_id":"98807","media_asset_id":"med_98807_fb4bb6dac6c4b7de","agenda_item_id":null,"speaker_id":"off_gerald_l_rocha_sr","speaker_confidence":0.95,"start_sec":6087.68,"end_sec":6091.28,"text":"Oh. So these parcels have already been annexed in already?","topics_json":"[\"zoning\"]","vector_id":"vec_seg_98807_398","created_at":"2026-10-31T05:09:14Z","speaker_name":"Gerald L. 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It within our corporate limits.","topics_json":"[\"zoning\"]","vector_id":"vec_seg_98807_400","created_at":"2026-10-31T05:09:14Z","speaker_name":null},{"id":"seg_98807_401","meeting_id":"98807","media_asset_id":"med_98807_fb4bb6dac6c4b7de","agenda_item_id":null,"speaker_id":"spk_98807_council_member","speaker_confidence":0.7,"start_sec":6097.99,"end_sec":6099.41,"text":"Okay. I I yield.","topics_json":"[]","vector_id":"vec_seg_98807_401","created_at":"2026-10-31T05:09:14Z","speaker_name":null},{"id":"seg_98807_402","meeting_id":"98807","media_asset_id":"med_98807_fb4bb6dac6c4b7de","agenda_item_id":null,"speaker_id":"off_fred_a_neil","speaker_confidence":0.95,"start_sec":6099.77,"end_sec":6102.4,"text":"Okay. I open the public hearing. Anybody in favor?","topics_json":"[]","vector_id":"vec_seg_98807_402","created_at":"2026-10-31T05:09:14Z","speaker_name":"Fred A. 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I'm not saying that our client would be opposed to working with them, but at some point in time, whether we develop this under the intended purpose or it's not developed, DelDOT's going to have to come to the table and negotiate with our client if they want to purchase the property to put that ramp in there.","topics_json":"[\"zoning\"]","vector_id":"vec_seg_98807_405","created_at":"2026-10-31T05:09:14Z","speaker_name":"Greg Scott"},{"id":"seg_98807_406","meeting_id":"98807","media_asset_id":"med_98807_fb4bb6dac6c4b7de","agenda_item_id":null,"speaker_id":"spk_98807_greg_scott","speaker_confidence":0.95,"start_sec":6202.26,"end_sec":6253.65,"text":"Meantime, he's sitting idle having invested money into a property that he can not do anything with because of a possible project. And right now we don't even know if that will happen, and yes, I really believe it'll take 8 to 10 to 12 years for that project to come to fruition, if it ever does. 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We we just need a little bit more time.","topics_json":"[\"zoning\"]","vector_id":"vec_seg_98807_413","created_at":"2026-10-31T05:09:14Z","speaker_name":"Roy Sudler, Jr."},{"id":"seg_98807_414","meeting_id":"98807","media_asset_id":"med_98807_fb4bb6dac6c4b7de","agenda_item_id":null,"speaker_id":"spk_98807_public_commenter","speaker_confidence":0.85,"start_sec":6298.55,"end_sec":6303.57,"text":"I I'm not sure that we can ourselves give you any more pros or cons than what I've expressed.","topics_json":"[\"zoning\"]","vector_id":"vec_seg_98807_414","created_at":"2026-10-31T05:09:14Z","speaker_name":null},{"id":"seg_98807_415","meeting_id":"98807","media_asset_id":"med_98807_fb4bb6dac6c4b7de","agenda_item_id":null,"speaker_id":"off_roy_sudler_jr","speaker_confidence":0.95,"start_sec":6303.57,"end_sec":6311.53,"text":"Not you, not you. But we we have to talk to DelDOT, we have to find out some information uh before we make this this decision.","topics_json":"[\"zoning\"]","vector_id":"vec_seg_98807_415","created_at":"2026-10-31T05:09:14Z","speaker_name":"Roy Sudler, Jr."},{"id":"seg_98807_416","meeting_id":"98807","media_asset_id":"med_98807_fb4bb6dac6c4b7de","agenda_item_id":null,"speaker_id":"spk_98807_public_commenter","speaker_confidence":0.85,"start_sec":6311.53,"end_sec":6313.02,"text":"Okay. Thank you.","topics_json":"[\"zoning\"]","vector_id":"vec_seg_98807_416","created_at":"2026-10-31T05:09:14Z","speaker_name":null},{"id":"seg_98807_417","meeting_id":"98807","media_asset_id":"med_98807_fb4bb6dac6c4b7de","agenda_item_id":null,"speaker_id":"off_roy_sudler_jr","speaker_confidence":0.95,"start_sec":6313.02,"end_sec":6314.56,"text":"Thank you. I yield.","topics_json":"[\"zoning\"]","vector_id":"vec_seg_98807_417","created_at":"2026-10-31T05:09:14Z","speaker_name":"Roy Sudler, Jr."},{"id":"seg_98807_418","meeting_id":"98807","media_asset_id":"med_98807_fb4bb6dac6c4b7de","agenda_item_id":null,"speaker_id":"off_fred_a_neil","speaker_confidence":0.95,"start_sec":6314.56,"end_sec":6318.42,"text":"Anyone from the public uh want to speak for?","topics_json":"[\"zoning\"]","vector_id":"vec_seg_98807_418","created_at":"2026-10-31T05:09:14Z","speaker_name":"Fred A. Neil"},{"id":"seg_98807_419","meeting_id":"98807","media_asset_id":"med_98807_fb4bb6dac6c4b7de","agenda_item_id":null,"speaker_id":"off_fred_a_neil","speaker_confidence":0.95,"start_sec":6318.42,"end_sec":6320.74,"text":"Yes. Councilwoman Pillsbury.","topics_json":"[\"zoning\"]","vector_id":"vec_seg_98807_419","created_at":"2026-10-31T05:09:14Z","speaker_name":"Fred A. 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And you get to say a few words too.","topics_json":"[]","vector_id":"vec_seg_98807_42","created_at":"2026-10-31T05:09:13Z","speaker_name":null},{"id":"seg_98807_420","meeting_id":"98807","media_asset_id":"med_98807_fb4bb6dac6c4b7de","agenda_item_id":null,"speaker_id":"off_julia_m_pillsbury","speaker_confidence":0.95,"start_sec":6320.74,"end_sec":6323.4,"text":"Uh excuse me, I'm back.","topics_json":"[\"zoning\"]","vector_id":"vec_seg_98807_420","created_at":"2026-10-31T05:09:14Z","speaker_name":"Julia M. Pillsbury"},{"id":"seg_98807_421","meeting_id":"98807","media_asset_id":"med_98807_fb4bb6dac6c4b7de","agenda_item_id":null,"speaker_id":"off_fred_a_neil","speaker_confidence":0.9,"start_sec":6323.4,"end_sec":6325.18,"text":"You're popular.","topics_json":"[\"zoning\"]","vector_id":"vec_seg_98807_421","created_at":"2026-10-31T05:09:14Z","speaker_name":"Fred A. 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Neil"},{"id":"seg_98807_424","meeting_id":"98807","media_asset_id":"med_98807_fb4bb6dac6c4b7de","agenda_item_id":null,"speaker_id":"spk_98807_dawn_melson_williams","speaker_confidence":0.95,"start_sec":6345.98,"end_sec":6391.78,"text":"Council President, um planning staff can probably assist in answering that question.","topics_json":"[\"zoning\"]","vector_id":"vec_seg_98807_424","created_at":"2026-10-31T05:09:14Z","speaker_name":"Dawn Melson-Williams"},{"id":"seg_98807_425","meeting_id":"98807","media_asset_id":"med_98807_fb4bb6dac6c4b7de","agenda_item_id":null,"speaker_id":"off_fred_a_neil","speaker_confidence":0.95,"start_sec":6391.78,"end_sec":6393.91,"text":"Councilwoman Hall?","topics_json":"[\"zoning\"]","vector_id":"vec_seg_98807_425","created_at":"2026-10-31T05:09:14Z","speaker_name":"Fred A. 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Okay.","topics_json":"[\"zoning\"]","vector_id":"vec_seg_98807_429","created_at":"2026-10-31T05:09:14Z","speaker_name":"Dawn Melson-Williams"},{"id":"seg_98807_43","meeting_id":"98807","media_asset_id":"med_98807_fb4bb6dac6c4b7de","agenda_item_id":null,"speaker_id":"spk_98807_red_cross_representative","speaker_confidence":0.85,"start_sec":436.3,"end_sec":514.4,"text":"Well, thank you very much, and I'm honored to be here. And actually the piece of the Red Cross that actually I work in and most of you wouldn't even be aware of is something called Red Cross Clubs, where we have, in the state of Delaware, many high schools that participate on the same level as adults. They do blood drives, they actually do fundraising. So I welcome the opportunity to be more involved with those high schools here in the state of Delaware. So thank you again for all of your support and your earnest volunteering. We totally appreciate it. We wouldn't be able to do this work without you. Thank you.","topics_json":"[]","vector_id":"vec_seg_98807_43","created_at":"2026-10-31T05:09:13Z","speaker_name":null},{"id":"seg_98807_430","meeting_id":"98807","media_asset_id":"med_98807_fb4bb6dac6c4b7de","agenda_item_id":null,"speaker_id":"spk_98807_dawn_melson_williams","speaker_confidence":0.95,"start_sec":6419.02,"end_sec":6447.03,"text":"So the image that's on the screen actually shows um the properties involved in both of these applications. So what is shaded in the upper left corner of this um this plan sheet is the two parcels of land, 1600 North Little Creek Road and it's adjacent property to the east. That is the subject of the rezoning request that is now under consideration by City Council.","topics_json":"[\"zoning\"]","vector_id":"vec_seg_98807_430","created_at":"2026-10-31T05:09:14Z","speaker_name":"Dawn Melson-Williams"},{"id":"seg_98807_431","meeting_id":"98807","media_asset_id":"med_98807_fb4bb6dac6c4b7de","agenda_item_id":null,"speaker_id":"spk_98807_dawn_melson_williams","speaker_confidence":0.95,"start_sec":6447.03,"end_sec":6469.28,"text":"To the right, um where you see kind of the driveway and a building, and then two parcels below it, those are the three parcels involved in the annexation request uh that you were considering earlier. Um and then the next thing is State Route - the right-of-way for State Route 1.","topics_json":"[\"zoning\"]","vector_id":"vec_seg_98807_431","created_at":"2026-10-31T05:09:14Z","speaker_name":"Dawn Melson-Williams"},{"id":"seg_98807_432","meeting_id":"98807","media_asset_id":"med_98807_fb4bb6dac6c4b7de","agenda_item_id":null,"speaker_id":"spk_98807_dawn_melson_williams","speaker_confidence":0.95,"start_sec":6469.28,"end_sec":6487.09,"text":"So basically uh in total, there's there's five parcels in this area between um where Roesian Meadows is being developed and State Route 1. Uh the two that you're considering for rezoning at the present time are in the upper left corner.","topics_json":"[\"zoning\"]","vector_id":"vec_seg_98807_432","created_at":"2026-10-31T05:09:14Z","speaker_name":"Dawn Melson-Williams"},{"id":"seg_98807_433","meeting_id":"98807","media_asset_id":"med_98807_fb4bb6dac6c4b7de","agenda_item_id":null,"speaker_id":"off_tricia_k_arndt","speaker_confidence":0.95,"start_sec":6487.78,"end_sec":6494.49,"text":"in yet, and the other piece of the parcel that's attached to it is asking to come into the city, is that correct?","topics_json":"[\"zoning\"]","vector_id":"vec_seg_98807_433","created_at":"2026-10-31T05:09:14Z","speaker_name":"Tricia K. Arndt"},{"id":"seg_98807_434","meeting_id":"98807","media_asset_id":"med_98807_fb4bb6dac6c4b7de","agenda_item_id":null,"speaker_id":"spk_98807_mr_scott","speaker_confidence":0.9,"start_sec":6494.49,"end_sec":6507,"text":"Well, there's five separate parcels right now. Two of them are already in the city, but need to be rezoned to IPM. Three of them are out of the city, but need to be brought in and rezoned IPM so we can make it all one contiguous parcel.","topics_json":"[\"zoning\"]","vector_id":"vec_seg_98807_434","created_at":"2026-10-31T05:09:14Z","speaker_name":"Mr. Scott"},{"id":"seg_98807_435","meeting_id":"98807","media_asset_id":"med_98807_fb4bb6dac6c4b7de","agenda_item_id":null,"speaker_id":"off_tricia_k_arndt","speaker_confidence":0.95,"start_sec":6507,"end_sec":6532.61,"text":"So, I'm not sure what the issue is, because I think we did this in the reverse order. I think if we had done these two parcels first, we would have had less discussion about the remaining three parcels, because it doesn't make sense to me to defer those three parcels when the other two are already in the city and they just are being rezoned. Am I missing something?","topics_json":"[\"zoning\"]","vector_id":"vec_seg_98807_435","created_at":"2026-10-31T05:09:14Z","speaker_name":"Tricia K. Arndt"},{"id":"seg_98807_436","meeting_id":"98807","media_asset_id":"med_98807_fb4bb6dac6c4b7de","agenda_item_id":null,"speaker_id":"off_fred_a_neil","speaker_confidence":0.95,"start_sec":6532.61,"end_sec":6534.72,"text":"That vote unfortunately has been already taken.","topics_json":"[\"zoning\"]","vector_id":"vec_seg_98807_436","created_at":"2026-10-31T05:09:14Z","speaker_name":"Fred A. Neil"},{"id":"seg_98807_437","meeting_id":"98807","media_asset_id":"med_98807_fb4bb6dac6c4b7de","agenda_item_id":null,"speaker_id":"off_tricia_k_arndt","speaker_confidence":0.95,"start_sec":6534.72,"end_sec":6583.1,"text":"I understand that, but can't we—I mean, it just doesn't make sense to me to discuss it further when we already have the other two parcels in the city. I just think if we had done these two parcels first, we might not have had to defer the other three.","topics_json":"[\"zoning\"]","vector_id":"vec_seg_98807_437","created_at":"2026-10-31T05:09:14Z","speaker_name":"Tricia K. Arndt"},{"id":"seg_98807_438","meeting_id":"98807","media_asset_id":"med_98807_fb4bb6dac6c4b7de","agenda_item_id":null,"speaker_id":"off_fred_a_neil","speaker_confidence":0.95,"start_sec":6583.1,"end_sec":6597.71,"text":"Well, in any case, that's where we stand at this particular point, and, uh, again, unless somebody has any objection, we'll keep on with the meeting, uh, to, uh, let Mr. Scott have a seat again. As much exercise as we can, sir. Anybody, uh, in favor?","topics_json":"[\"zoning\"]","vector_id":"vec_seg_98807_438","created_at":"2026-10-31T05:09:14Z","speaker_name":"Fred A. Neil"},{"id":"seg_98807_439","meeting_id":"98807","media_asset_id":"med_98807_fb4bb6dac6c4b7de","agenda_item_id":null,"speaker_id":"off_tricia_k_arndt","speaker_confidence":0.95,"start_sec":6597.71,"end_sec":6602.23,"text":"I make a motion that we approve the changes in zoning for the two parcels.","topics_json":"[\"zoning\"]","vector_id":"vec_seg_98807_439","created_at":"2026-10-31T05:09:14Z","speaker_name":"Tricia K. Arndt"},{"id":"seg_98807_44","meeting_id":"98807","media_asset_id":"med_98807_fb4bb6dac6c4b7de","agenda_item_id":null,"speaker_id":"off_robin_r_christiansen","speaker_confidence":0.95,"start_sec":517.8,"end_sec":542.2,"text":"Thank you. We now have a certificate of recognition for Kay Sass, and I'm going to ask Mr. Lewis uh to bring Ms. Sass up to the podium. And I would suggest, by the very basis of what this certificate is, any member of council who wishes to join them in salute to Kay Sass, please feel free to come up and join them.","topics_json":"[]","vector_id":"vec_seg_98807_44","created_at":"2026-10-31T05:09:13Z","speaker_name":"Robin R. Christiansen"},{"id":"seg_98807_440","meeting_id":"98807","media_asset_id":"med_98807_fb4bb6dac6c4b7de","agenda_item_id":null,"speaker_id":"off_fred_a_neil","speaker_confidence":0.95,"start_sec":6602.23,"end_sec":6604.74,"text":"Hold on. Just one moment. Anybody opposed?","topics_json":"[\"zoning\"]","vector_id":"vec_seg_98807_440","created_at":"2026-10-31T05:09:14Z","speaker_name":"Fred A. Neil"},{"id":"seg_98807_441","meeting_id":"98807","media_asset_id":"med_98807_fb4bb6dac6c4b7de","agenda_item_id":null,"speaker_id":"off_tricia_k_arndt","speaker_confidence":0.95,"start_sec":6604.74,"end_sec":6606.4,"text":"What are we What are you asking?","topics_json":"[]","vector_id":"vec_seg_98807_441","created_at":"2026-10-31T05:09:14Z","speaker_name":"Tricia K. Arndt"},{"id":"seg_98807_442","meeting_id":"98807","media_asset_id":"med_98807_fb4bb6dac6c4b7de","agenda_item_id":null,"speaker_id":"off_fred_a_neil","speaker_confidence":0.95,"start_sec":6606.4,"end_sec":6608.64,"text":"The public This is the public hearing.","topics_json":"[]","vector_id":"vec_seg_98807_442","created_at":"2026-10-31T05:09:14Z","speaker_name":"Fred A. Neil"},{"id":"seg_98807_443","meeting_id":"98807","media_asset_id":"med_98807_fb4bb6dac6c4b7de","agenda_item_id":null,"speaker_id":"spk_98807_linda_parkowski","speaker_confidence":0.95,"start_sec":6608.64,"end_sec":6669.37,"text":"Thank you. Linda Parkowski, Executive Director of the Kent Economic Partnership. Um, my comment is I think if you're going to defer the other annexation, defer these two parcels also to gather as much information as you possibly This is one large project, and this is all going to be worked together if it ends up being a southbound ramp for Route 1. So, my suggestion and request is that you defer this one also. Thank you.","topics_json":"[\"zoning\",\"business\"]","vector_id":"vec_seg_98807_443","created_at":"2026-10-31T05:09:14Z","speaker_name":"Linda Parkowski"},{"id":"seg_98807_444","meeting_id":"98807","media_asset_id":"med_98807_fb4bb6dac6c4b7de","agenda_item_id":null,"speaker_id":"off_fred_a_neil","speaker_confidence":0.95,"start_sec":6669.37,"end_sec":6676.07,"text":"Anyone else against? Okay, what is the, uh, pleasure of Let's declare the public hearing as closed.","topics_json":"[\"zoning\"]","vector_id":"vec_seg_98807_444","created_at":"2026-10-31T05:09:14Z","speaker_name":"Fred A. Neil"},{"id":"seg_98807_445","meeting_id":"98807","media_asset_id":"med_98807_fb4bb6dac6c4b7de","agenda_item_id":null,"speaker_id":"off_fred_a_neil","speaker_confidence":0.9,"start_sec":6676.07,"end_sec":6684.38,"text":"All right. Um, uh, Mrs. Williams? Marilyn. Marilyn, I'm sorry.","topics_json":"[]","vector_id":"vec_seg_98807_445","created_at":"2026-10-31T05:09:14Z","speaker_name":"Fred A. Neil"},{"id":"seg_98807_446","meeting_id":"98807","media_asset_id":"med_98807_fb4bb6dac6c4b7de","agenda_item_id":null,"speaker_id":"spk_98807_marilyn_smith","speaker_confidence":0.95,"start_sec":6684.38,"end_sec":6684.38,"text":"Sorry, Marilyn Smith again from the MPO. Um, if you look at this map, you can see all the parcels in question. You can see the storm water retention pond you can that, um, Mr. Scott is talking about. You can see the wetland. You can see the previously approved development, and you can see on this, um, in the east-west study document that this road, the concept for this road that the Century Engineering team squeezed this road in between, to the best of their ability, in a concept plan.","topics_json":"[\"zoning\"]","vector_id":"vec_seg_98807_446","created_at":"2026-10-31T05:09:14Z","speaker_name":"Marilyn Smith"},{"id":"seg_98807_447","meeting_id":"98807","media_asset_id":"med_98807_fb4bb6dac6c4b7de","agenda_item_id":null,"speaker_id":"spk_98807_public_commenter","speaker_confidence":0.8,"start_sec":6684.38,"end_sec":6711.69,"text":"And and I want to make sure that everybody heard that. To the best of their ability in a concept plan, they squeezed the road in between wetland, stormwater pond, and all of these red, all the red that you can see there, those are plotted but not developed yet parcels. So, I don't disagree with anything um that's being said, but I'm saying that all of those things were indeed considered when the Century Engineering Group put together this proposal to address the east-west movement relative to this interchange. Thank you.","topics_json":"[\"zoning\"]","vector_id":"vec_seg_98807_447","created_at":"2026-10-31T05:09:14Z","speaker_name":null},{"id":"seg_98807_448","meeting_id":"98807","media_asset_id":"med_98807_fb4bb6dac6c4b7de","agenda_item_id":null,"speaker_id":"off_fred_a_neil","speaker_confidence":0.95,"start_sec":6711.69,"end_sec":6716,"text":"Any further against? Now the public hearing is closed. Uh what is the pleasure of council?","topics_json":"[\"zoning\"]","vector_id":"vec_seg_98807_448","created_at":"2026-10-31T05:09:14Z","speaker_name":"Fred A. Neil"},{"id":"seg_98807_449","meeting_id":"98807","media_asset_id":"med_98807_fb4bb6dac6c4b7de","agenda_item_id":null,"speaker_id":"off_andre_m_boggerty","speaker_confidence":0.95,"start_sec":6716,"end_sec":6722.56,"text":"I move to defer um this uh proposed um rezoning of 2026-07.","topics_json":"[\"zoning\"]","vector_id":"vec_seg_98807_449","created_at":"2026-10-31T05:09:14Z","speaker_name":"Andre M. Boggerty"},{"id":"seg_98807_45","meeting_id":"98807","media_asset_id":"med_98807_fb4bb6dac6c4b7de","agenda_item_id":null,"speaker_id":"off_brian_e_lewis","speaker_confidence":0.95,"start_sec":542.2,"end_sec":589.8,"text":"During our last city council meeting, I commended Ms. Duca and her staff to include um the code enforcement division uh with the chief, Eddie Kopp, for their professionalism, commitment, and um service during the recent two snowstorms that we had. Ms. Sass wasn't available at that meeting, so I felt it appropriate to give her this certificate of recognition because Ms. Sass plays an important role in our city. She is our emergency coordinator, our emergency management coordinator, and uh not only does she deal with keeping the city safe on a daily basis, uh she also keeps us, in particular with these last two horrific snowstorms, abreast of weather conditions along with the public. Uh she also uh receives phone calls uh that are for us, city council members and staff, and deals with various complaints and such. So, I personally feel that uh she is deserving of this, so I had this certificate of recognition made up for her, which I will read into the record. Presented to Kay Sass, in sincere appreciation and recognition of your exceptional leadership, diligence, and unwavering commitment to the safety and well-being of the residents of the City of Dover during the two most recent snowstorms. Your proac-","topics_json":"[\"public_safety\"]","vector_id":"vec_seg_98807_45","created_at":"2026-10-31T05:09:13Z","speaker_name":"Brian E. Lewis"},{"id":"seg_98807_450","meeting_id":"98807","media_asset_id":"med_98807_fb4bb6dac6c4b7de","agenda_item_id":null,"speaker_id":"off_gerald_l_rocha_sr","speaker_confidence":0.85,"start_sec":6722.56,"end_sec":6723.29,"text":"Second.","topics_json":"[\"zoning\"]","vector_id":"vec_seg_98807_450","created_at":"2026-10-31T05:09:14Z","speaker_name":"Gerald L. Rocha, Sr."},{"id":"seg_98807_451","meeting_id":"98807","media_asset_id":"med_98807_fb4bb6dac6c4b7de","agenda_item_id":null,"speaker_id":"off_fred_a_neil","speaker_confidence":0.95,"start_sec":6723.29,"end_sec":6759.68,"text":"Any discussion? My understanding that this will then be part of the general discussion that will come under uh the agenda for Safety and Transportation. And we have Councilman Anderson?","topics_json":"[\"zoning\"]","vector_id":"vec_seg_98807_451","created_at":"2026-10-31T05:09:14Z","speaker_name":"Fred A. Neil"},{"id":"seg_98807_452","meeting_id":"98807","media_asset_id":"med_98807_fb4bb6dac6c4b7de","agenda_item_id":null,"speaker_id":"spk_98807_city_staff","speaker_confidence":0.75,"start_sec":6759.68,"end_sec":6761.27,"text":"Oh, Ms. Hall wants to speak.","topics_json":"[]","vector_id":"vec_seg_98807_452","created_at":"2026-10-31T05:09:14Z","speaker_name":null},{"id":"seg_98807_453","meeting_id":"98807","media_asset_id":"med_98807_fb4bb6dac6c4b7de","agenda_item_id":null,"speaker_id":"off_donyale_m_hall","speaker_confidence":0.9,"start_sec":6761.27,"end_sec":6761.93,"text":"Ms. Hall.","topics_json":"[]","vector_id":"vec_seg_98807_453","created_at":"2026-10-31T05:09:14Z","speaker_name":"Donyale M. Hall"},{"id":"seg_98807_454","meeting_id":"98807","media_asset_id":"med_98807_fb4bb6dac6c4b7de","agenda_item_id":null,"speaker_id":"off_fred_a_neil","speaker_confidence":0.95,"start_sec":6761.93,"end_sec":6763.79,"text":"Go ahead. Ms. Hall. Councilwoman Hall.","topics_json":"[]","vector_id":"vec_seg_98807_454","created_at":"2026-10-31T05:09:14Z","speaker_name":"Fred A. Neil"},{"id":"seg_98807_455","meeting_id":"98807","media_asset_id":"med_98807_fb4bb6dac6c4b7de","agenda_item_id":null,"speaker_id":"off_donyale_m_hall","speaker_confidence":0.95,"start_sec":6763.79,"end_sec":6789.24,"text":"Thank you for welcoming, recognizing me, Council President. Um my my uh ears heard that whatever um the developer is interested in is kind of hanging in the balance here. There's a there is a um a patience to wait for the other three, but at least it would give the development opportunity with the two that are at hand. And I personally don't want to see us jeopardize um that piece of it, um especially when it offers um some opportunity for growth and economic development and an infusion","topics_json":"[\"zoning\",\"business\"]","vector_id":"vec_seg_98807_455","created_at":"2026-10-31T05:09:14Z","speaker_name":"Donyale M. Hall"},{"id":"seg_98807_456","meeting_id":"98807","media_asset_id":"med_98807_fb4bb6dac6c4b7de","agenda_item_id":null,"speaker_id":"off_donyale_m_hall","speaker_confidence":0.95,"start_sec":6789.24,"end_sec":6842.27,"text":"of revenue into the city. So, um those parcels are already um in the city, and they're just looking to be rezoned. And so for that reason, I am in favor of us approving um this to rezone those uh parcels um in question that are already a part of the city so that we don't further jeopardize the opportunity that exists by waiting these three 30 days to get the rest of the of the uh understanding that we may be lacking because they can still move forward with their project, if I heard it correctly, under um the pieces that are already a part of the city. I yield.","topics_json":"[\"zoning\",\"budget\",\"business\"]","vector_id":"vec_seg_98807_456","created_at":"2026-10-31T05:09:14Z","speaker_name":"Donyale M. Hall"},{"id":"seg_98807_457","meeting_id":"98807","media_asset_id":"med_98807_fb4bb6dac6c4b7de","agenda_item_id":null,"speaker_id":"off_fred_a_neil","speaker_confidence":0.95,"start_sec":6842.27,"end_sec":6843.73,"text":"Any other comment?","topics_json":"[]","vector_id":"vec_seg_98807_457","created_at":"2026-10-31T05:09:14Z","speaker_name":"Fred A. Neil"},{"id":"seg_98807_458","meeting_id":"98807","media_asset_id":"med_98807_fb4bb6dac6c4b7de","agenda_item_id":null,"speaker_id":"off_david_l_anderson","speaker_confidence":0.95,"start_sec":6843.73,"end_sec":6844.92,"text":"Mr. Council President.","topics_json":"[]","vector_id":"vec_seg_98807_458","created_at":"2026-10-31T05:09:14Z","speaker_name":"David L. Anderson"},{"id":"seg_98807_459","meeting_id":"98807","media_asset_id":"med_98807_fb4bb6dac6c4b7de","agenda_item_id":null,"speaker_id":"off_fred_a_neil","speaker_confidence":0.95,"start_sec":6844.92,"end_sec":6846.25,"text":"Yes. Councilman Anderson.","topics_json":"[]","vector_id":"vec_seg_98807_459","created_at":"2026-10-31T05:09:14Z","speaker_name":"Fred A. Neil"},{"id":"seg_98807_46","meeting_id":"98807","media_asset_id":"med_98807_fb4bb6dac6c4b7de","agenda_item_id":null,"speaker_id":"off_robin_r_christiansen","speaker_confidence":0.95,"start_sec":589.8,"end_sec":612.47,"text":"active planning, careful coordination, and steadfast attention to critical safety concerns ensured that the city operations continued effectively and efficiently during challenging weather conditions. Your consistent communication and timely updates to City Council and the public provided clarity, reassurance, and transparency throughout each event. The City of Dover extends its deepest gratitude for your professionalism, dedication to public service, and tireless effort to keep our community informed, prepared, and safe. And this goes to you, Ms. Sass.","topics_json":"[\"public_safety\"]","vector_id":"vec_seg_98807_46","created_at":"2026-10-31T05:09:13Z","speaker_name":"Robin R. Christiansen"},{"id":"seg_98807_460","meeting_id":"98807","media_asset_id":"med_98807_fb4bb6dac6c4b7de","agenda_item_id":null,"speaker_id":"off_david_l_anderson","speaker_confidence":0.95,"start_sec":6846.25,"end_sec":6855.2,"text":"Thank you. I I favor the deferment because, one, uh these would all move together, so um separating them, um yeah, isn't the right idea.","topics_json":"[\"zoning\"]","vector_id":"vec_seg_98807_460","created_at":"2026-10-31T05:09:14Z","speaker_name":"David L. 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We're I I think the motion to defer would if to is intended to be the same timeframe as the other one. Uh we should continue to work these together. Uh let's defer it as requested by our Economic Development Partnership. It is um you know they're they're our experts and I I think that 30 days for this case to be made uh isn't too much to ask for. I yield.","topics_json":"[\"zoning\",\"business\"]","vector_id":"vec_seg_98807_462","created_at":"2026-10-31T05:09:14Z","speaker_name":"Gerald L. Rocha, Sr."},{"id":"seg_98807_463","meeting_id":"98807","media_asset_id":"med_98807_fb4bb6dac6c4b7de","agenda_item_id":null,"speaker_id":"off_fred_a_neil","speaker_confidence":0.95,"start_sec":6905.57,"end_sec":6910.41,"text":"Any other questions? If not, I want to call for Yes. Yes, Councilman Boggerty.","topics_json":"[]","vector_id":"vec_seg_98807_463","created_at":"2026-10-31T05:09:14Z","speaker_name":"Fred A. 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So I do want to name a few more people if I may: from Public Works, Mark Nowak, Antonio Bray, Mark Hurd, and their crews; Parks and Rec Grounds Division, Roger Ridgeway, Nate Farrow, and their crews; Central Services Fleet Division, Mike Hamlett, Bryan Ennis, and crew; Electric Department, Paul Waddell, Sean Briguet, Chris Vinson, Jamie Sack, and their crews; and our Water and Wastewater Division, Jason Lyon, Tate Nells, John Sisson, Sean Ridgeway, and crew; our first responders, who too have no choice but to be out during that weather: our police, fire, and EMS.","topics_json":"[\"public_safety\"]","vector_id":"vec_seg_98807_48","created_at":"2026-10-31T05:09:13Z","speaker_name":"Kay Sass"},{"id":"seg_98807_480","meeting_id":"98807","media_asset_id":"med_98807_fb4bb6dac6c4b7de","agenda_item_id":null,"speaker_id":"off_brian_e_lewis","speaker_confidence":0.95,"start_sec":7035.22,"end_sec":7036.09,"text":"Yes.","topics_json":"[]","vector_id":"vec_seg_98807_480","created_at":"2026-10-31T05:09:14Z","speaker_name":"Brian E. 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It's after 9:00 now. In 5 minutes, we will resume.","topics_json":"[]","vector_id":"vec_seg_98807_483","created_at":"2026-10-31T05:09:14Z","speaker_name":"Fred A. Neil"},{"id":"seg_98807_484","meeting_id":"98807","media_asset_id":"med_98807_fb4bb6dac6c4b7de","agenda_item_id":null,"speaker_id":"off_fred_a_neil","speaker_confidence":0.95,"start_sec":7045.7,"end_sec":7077.58,"text":"Dover City Council for March 9th, 2026 is now resumed. We now have um based on the amended um agenda uh Ordinance number 2025-14, amending Chapter 22, Building, Buildings and Building Regulations by inserting Article 13, Women Housing. Uh Councilman Rocha and I have uh have sponsored this, and I would like to take the lead on","topics_json":"[\"housing\"]","vector_id":"vec_seg_98807_484","created_at":"2026-10-31T05:09:14Z","speaker_name":"Fred A. 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In Delaware, it's very hard to find an attorney to represent an unhappy buyer who discovered that they had acquired a mortgage, that they now own a lemon house and need a great deal of repairs and what- because what has not been disclosed.","topics_json":"[\"housing\",\"business\"]","vector_id":"vec_seg_98807_486","created_at":"2026-10-31T05:09:14Z","speaker_name":"Fred A. Neil"},{"id":"seg_98807_487","meeting_id":"98807","media_asset_id":"med_98807_fb4bb6dac6c4b7de","agenda_item_id":null,"speaker_id":"off_fred_a_neil","speaker_confidence":1,"start_sec":7098.69,"end_sec":7104.37,"text":"If you sue and lose, you not only have to pay for the house, but you also have to pay for your attorney's fees and those of who you sued.","topics_json":"[\"housing\"]","vector_id":"vec_seg_98807_487","created_at":"2026-10-31T05:09:14Z","speaker_name":"Fred A. 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As an investigator, she- you would think that she would have a mountain of evidence of wrongdoing, and she does: documents, photographs, repair bills, uh, correspondence with an alphabet of agencies such as DSHA, FHA, HUD, DOJ, plus elected officials, and Dover and State Police.","topics_json":"[\"housing\",\"public_safety\"]","vector_id":"vec_seg_98807_489","created_at":"2026-10-31T05:09:14Z","speaker_name":"Fred A. Neil"},{"id":"seg_98807_49","meeting_id":"98807","media_asset_id":"med_98807_fb4bb6dac6c4b7de","agenda_item_id":null,"speaker_id":"spk_98807_kay_sass","speaker_confidence":0.95,"start_sec":671.89,"end_sec":722.44,"text":"Special thanks to our fire department for allowing us to stage our EMS resources again at Station 1 and Station 2; and uh arranging with, you know we work with Kent County, DEMA, uh this time around we had the shelter open, so it was Delaware Department of Health and Social Services, and of course the Red Cross. And somebody that often doesn't get recognized for something she does either is Sharon Duca. Every single phone call and bridge call that I'm on throughout the entire storm, and sometimes as early as 5:00 a.m., Sharon has been on with me for the last at least 15 years. So, you know, that's kind of a a great godsend for me as well, that I have her support whenever I do everything. So thank you so much. I appreciate it.","topics_json":"[\"public_safety\"]","vector_id":"vec_seg_98807_49","created_at":"2026-10-31T05:09:13Z","speaker_name":"Kay Sass"},{"id":"seg_98807_490","meeting_id":"98807","media_asset_id":"med_98807_fb4bb6dac6c4b7de","agenda_item_id":null,"speaker_id":"off_fred_a_neil","speaker_confidence":1,"start_sec":7158.03,"end_sec":7166.33,"text":"There's evidence of fraud, but, alas, the police and the DOJ consider this a civil and not a criminal matter. Even DSHA, that made the loan possible, has no interest in the outcome. 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It didn't make Miss Miss Butcher financially whole or improve the condition of the house.","topics_json":"[\"housing\",\"public_safety\"]","vector_id":"vec_seg_98807_496","created_at":"2026-10-31T05:09:14Z","speaker_name":"Fred A. Neil"},{"id":"seg_98807_497","meeting_id":"98807","media_asset_id":"med_98807_fb4bb6dac6c4b7de","agenda_item_id":null,"speaker_id":"spk_98807_fred_a_neil","speaker_confidence":0.95,"start_sec":7303.98,"end_sec":7325.68,"text":"Penalties are strictly complaint-driven to the city manager. There's no additional burden on code inspectors or building inspectors to inspect every home. An appeal to of the city manager's decision goes to the Construction Property Maintenance Code Board of Appeals. A licensed professional can lose their license to do business in Dover and could be fined $1,000.","topics_json":"[\"housing\",\"business\"]","vector_id":"vec_seg_98807_497","created_at":"2026-10-31T05:09:14Z","speaker_name":null},{"id":"seg_98807_498","meeting_id":"98807","media_asset_id":"med_98807_fb4bb6dac6c4b7de","agenda_item_id":null,"speaker_id":"off_fred_a_neil","speaker_confidence":0.95,"start_sec":7325.68,"end_sec":7348.58,"text":"On behalf of uh I wish to thank uh Coun- Councilman Rocha and myself, I want to thank realtor icons To- Todd Stonesifer and Phil McGinnis, Chief Code Inspector Eddie Kopp, City Planner Dawn Melson-Williams, and Director Dover Budget for their help in crafting this ordinance. And I'd like to ask uh Councilman Rocha for any comments that he might have.","topics_json":"[\"housing\",\"business\"]","vector_id":"vec_seg_98807_498","created_at":"2026-10-31T05:09:14Z","speaker_name":"Fred A. Neil"},{"id":"seg_98807_499","meeting_id":"98807","media_asset_id":"med_98807_fb4bb6dac6c4b7de","agenda_item_id":null,"speaker_id":"off_gerald_l_rocha_sr","speaker_confidence":0.95,"start_sec":7348.58,"end_sec":7434.18,"text":"Yeah, so I I thank you, Council President, and uh thank you for a thorough uh uh analysis of this this ordinance. Um and uh the only thing that I will add is that I would hope that um when the buyers come into the city to buy property that they feel as though that, you know, through transparency and what we're proposing in this ordinance um that they would be able to enjoy a home that they uh are looking forward to out of excitement, but also educate them along the way as far as the processes that takes place in the purchase of the property, make it known, and uh and then uh above all, the in- the home inspection, which is the core uh of of this, um is is done uh, you know, with with the all the t's and and I uh crossed and the i's dotted in this situation. So um I've met several times myself with Ms. Butcher, and um, you know, we tried to get something like this done on the state level, but it has been passed down to us, and I feel like within our city boundaries, we can actually do something to hopefully uh prevent uh what Ms. Butcher had had went through uh with her experience. So with that, I yield.","topics_json":"[\"housing\",\"business\"]","vector_id":"vec_seg_98807_499","created_at":"2026-10-31T05:09:14Z","speaker_name":"Gerald L. Rocha, Sr."},{"id":"seg_98807_5","meeting_id":"98807","media_asset_id":"med_98807_fb4bb6dac6c4b7de","agenda_item_id":null,"speaker_id":"spk_98807_council_members","speaker_confidence":0.9,"start_sec":21.11,"end_sec":22.42,"text":"Aye. Aye.","topics_json":"[]","vector_id":"vec_seg_98807_5","created_at":"2026-10-31T05:09:13Z","speaker_name":null},{"id":"seg_98807_50","meeting_id":"98807","media_asset_id":"med_98807_fb4bb6dac6c4b7de","agenda_item_id":null,"speaker_id":"off_robin_r_christiansen","speaker_confidence":0.9,"start_sec":726.23,"end_sec":733.18,"text":"Annual report, Downtown Dover Partnership, and I invite Ms. Diane Laird to join us at the pres- podium for the presentation.","topics_json":"[\"business\"]","vector_id":"vec_seg_98807_50","created_at":"2026-10-31T05:09:13Z","speaker_name":"Robin R. Christiansen"},{"id":"seg_98807_500","meeting_id":"98807","media_asset_id":"med_98807_fb4bb6dac6c4b7de","agenda_item_id":null,"speaker_id":"off_fred_a_neil","speaker_confidence":0.95,"start_sec":7434.18,"end_sec":7440.18,"text":"All right. We have uh Ms. Butcher. Do you have a few words for us?","topics_json":"[\"housing\"]","vector_id":"vec_seg_98807_500","created_at":"2026-10-31T05:09:14Z","speaker_name":"Fred A. Neil"},{"id":"seg_98807_501","meeting_id":"98807","media_asset_id":"med_98807_fb4bb6dac6c4b7de","agenda_item_id":null,"speaker_id":"spk_98807_ms_butcher","speaker_confidence":0.9,"start_sec":7444.68,"end_sec":7470.78,"text":"Good evening. I'd like to start by thanking um both President Neil and Councilman Rocha for their assistance. My story has been a three-year ordeal, and it hasn't stopped. Um I will begin with the 2- in 2022, I contacted the state-supported program, Kiss Your Landlord Goodbye, for","topics_json":"[\"housing\"]","vector_id":"vec_seg_98807_501","created_at":"2026-10-31T05:09:14Z","speaker_name":"Ms. Butcher"},{"id":"seg_98807_502","meeting_id":"98807","media_asset_id":"med_98807_fb4bb6dac6c4b7de","agenda_item_id":null,"speaker_id":"spk_98807_public_commenter","speaker_confidence":0.95,"start_sec":7470.78,"end_sec":7496.18,"text":"assistance in purchasing a home. The I followed the housing counselor's instruction. I trusted every professional involved, believing the people were guiding me were bound by ethics, laws, and human decency. I trusted the lender from their list, who introduced me to his father, a licensed realtor, to help me purchase a safe home for my children and I.","topics_json":"[\"housing\"]","vector_id":"vec_seg_98807_502","created_at":"2026-10-31T05:09:14Z","speaker_name":null},{"id":"seg_98807_503","meeting_id":"98807","media_asset_id":"med_98807_fb4bb6dac6c4b7de","agenda_item_id":null,"speaker_id":"spk_98807_public_commenter","speaker_confidence":0.95,"start_sec":7496.18,"end_sec":7519.38,"text":"At the time, I didn't know that the agency didn't vet its lenders. As a result, my trusted realtor steered me, a disabled person on a fixed income, into a severely dilapidated and dangerous property through discriminatory steering and housing fraud, and an alleged profit-for-sale scheme.","topics_json":"[\"housing\"]","vector_id":"vec_seg_98807_503","created_at":"2026-10-31T05:09:14Z","speaker_name":null},{"id":"seg_98807_504","meeting_id":"98807","media_asset_id":"med_98807_fb4bb6dac6c4b7de","agenda_item_id":null,"speaker_id":"spk_98807_public_commenter","speaker_confidence":0.95,"start_sec":7519.38,"end_sec":7536.28,"text":"From this day, from the first day that I moved in, my horrific nightmare began. The basement was fluttered- flooded with about 5 to 8 in of water. It continues to flood to date, even when there's no rain or inclement weather.","topics_json":"[\"housing\"]","vector_id":"vec_seg_98807_504","created_at":"2026-10-31T05:09:14Z","speaker_name":null},{"id":"seg_98807_505","meeting_id":"98807","media_asset_id":"med_98807_fb4bb6dac6c4b7de","agenda_item_id":null,"speaker_id":"spk_98807_public_commenter","speaker_confidence":0.95,"start_sec":7536.28,"end_sec":7563.88,"text":"At one point in the beginning, because I was on a fixed salary, I was running out of money. So my two 8-year-old children and I, with health conditions, carried over 40 buckets of water outside with the fear of the there was going to be a lot of mold in the basement area. Little did I know, at the time, that there was already mold in that house. It was covered up and concealed.","topics_json":"[\"housing\"]","vector_id":"vec_seg_98807_505","created_at":"2026-10-31T05:09:14Z","speaker_name":null},{"id":"seg_98807_506","meeting_id":"98807","media_asset_id":"med_98807_fb4bb6dac6c4b7de","agenda_item_id":null,"speaker_id":"spk_98807_public_commenter","speaker_confidence":0.95,"start_sec":7563.88,"end_sec":7594.98,"text":"The home's complete- Within the first week, the home's complete plumbing system collapsed. Branches were found in the plumbing. My realtor, my trusted realtor, had ordered an inspection, but not the inspection I requested. What he ordered was a standard inspection that would not detect those problems in that house. So he sort of circumvented the safeguards that would have prevented from this sale from going through by ordering the standard inspection.","topics_json":"[\"housing\"]","vector_id":"vec_seg_98807_506","created_at":"2026-10-31T05:09:14Z","speaker_name":null},{"id":"seg_98807_507","meeting_id":"98807","media_asset_id":"med_98807_fb4bb6dac6c4b7de","agenda_item_id":null,"speaker_id":"spk_98807_public_commenter","speaker_confidence":0.95,"start_sec":7594.98,"end_sec":7620.48,"text":"As a result, the water was a dirty brown. Um, at that time, I wasn't sure what was causing it, um, until I started calling contractors. The contractors, after the collapse of the plumbing, advised me that the plumbing was hooked up to dirty, corroded copper piping, which basically exposed us to copper poisoning.","topics_json":"[\"housing\"]","vector_id":"vec_seg_98807_507","created_at":"2026-10-31T05:09:14Z","speaker_name":null},{"id":"seg_98807_508","meeting_id":"98807","media_asset_id":"med_98807_fb4bb6dac6c4b7de","agenda_item_id":null,"speaker_id":"spk_98807_public_commenter","speaker_confidence":0.95,"start_sec":7620.48,"end_sec":7639.88,"text":"At that time, I had to get filters for everything. I had to buy cases and cases of bottled water. That was the only way we could drink, cook, and bathe until I got that fixed. That in itself, after purchasing a home on a fixed income, cost me close to $40,000.","topics_json":"[\"housing\"]","vector_id":"vec_seg_98807_508","created_at":"2026-10-31T05:09:14Z","speaker_name":null},{"id":"seg_98807_509","meeting_id":"98807","media_asset_id":"med_98807_fb4bb6dac6c4b7de","agenda_item_id":null,"speaker_id":"spk_98807_public_commenter","speaker_confidence":0.95,"start_sec":7639.88,"end_sec":7667.38,"text":"But that wasn't the end of it. The repairs were Every week there was something so dramatic, and it was thousands of dollars, thousands of so much money that I I could hardly live. It got to the point where I found out that the house couldn't be heated. There were huge holes from the roof all the way down to the basement area. So, the first winter in the home, we had space heaters to keep us warm","topics_json":"[\"housing\"]","vector_id":"vec_seg_98807_509","created_at":"2026-10-31T05:09:14Z","speaker_name":null},{"id":"seg_98807_51","meeting_id":"98807","media_asset_id":"med_98807_fb4bb6dac6c4b7de","agenda_item_id":null,"speaker_id":"spk_98807_diane_laird","speaker_confidence":0.95,"start_sec":733.37,"end_sec":742.93,"text":"Good evening. I'm Diane Laird with the Downtown Dover Partnership, and pleased to be with you this evening. The annual report gives us a terrific opportunity to review the year behind us and the year ahead. We have some outstanding news to share,","topics_json":"[\"business\"]","vector_id":"vec_seg_98807_51","created_at":"2026-10-31T05:09:13Z","speaker_name":"Diane Laird"},{"id":"seg_98807_510","meeting_id":"98807","media_asset_id":"med_98807_fb4bb6dac6c4b7de","agenda_item_id":null,"speaker_id":"spk_98807_public_commenter","speaker_confidence":0.9,"start_sec":7667.38,"end_sec":7863.98,"text":"even had my thermostat at 95, which, of course, compounded with the heating bills running anywhere from 4 to $500 a month. My son's room had the smell of mold. It was later discovered through contractors that the windows in this house, there are approximately 15 windows, had no seals to keep inclement weather out. It also had dry-rotted wood around all the windows. The windows could not be shut or secure. The same with the doors. The doors, the entryways and the doors are dry-rotted to where the house cannot be secure or keep inclement weather out. So, I had to put weatherstripping tape around the windows and the doors to keep the house warm, as well as keep inclement, the rain, out of the out of the housing. We also had an issue with rodents, insects, water intrusion, and mold. It was later discovered, approximately 8 months later, that there was a gas leak with the heater. The contractor advised that the plumbing was non-compliant and that it could have started a fire or caused death. So, immediately, the whole thing was straight duress because I've already spent over $90,000 into this home, and it still isn't where it should be. I'm still dealing with issues pretty much on a weekly basis. The basement floods because it was discovered by two different contractors that the house sits on a bed of water. So, you have water coming up from, when it rains, you have water coming out through the physical cement in the basement and flooding the basement. You have a sump pump that had to be replaced four times because the amount of water flowing through the basement is like a flowing river. You have the Bilco doors that are bent and have no seals, and there's cracks in between the the cement. So, water flows in through that area that is supposed to have a vent for the water to go, but there is none. You have a hole on the roof that was supposed to be fixed prior to closing, but was fixed by the seller with Flex Seal. With this being said, I paid close to $300,000 for this house. This was no simple mistake. This was clearly housing fraud. The home was sold was unsafe, structurally compromised through severe water damage, and unfit for human habitation. It wasn't an accident. It was not a misunderstanding. It was clear fraud concealed through cosmetic coverups, colluding realtors, sellers, and lenders. When the appraiser did her appraisal, she had a specific line at the bottom. It said, \"This house does not meet FHA or HUD requirement,\" yet the FHA loan was approved by the lender. The problem is, when I sought help, all forms of the system failed again and again for me. Each agency dismissed me or did not want to hold anyone in the real estate chain ac-","topics_json":"[\"housing\",\"public_safety\"]","vector_id":"vec_seg_98807_510","created_at":"2026-10-31T05:09:15Z","speaker_name":null},{"id":"seg_98807_511","meeting_id":"98807","media_asset_id":"med_98807_fb4bb6dac6c4b7de","agenda_item_id":null,"speaker_id":"spk_98807_public_commenter","speaker_confidence":0.95,"start_sec":7863.98,"end_sec":7908.08,"text":"accountable for the alleged crime or fraud, unethical acts, or harm done to me and my family. I was only re-victimized over and over again by a system that silenced the victim. I was told by an attorney, no one in the state of Delaware will go against a realtor, a seller, a lender, an appraiser, or closing agent. These bad actors have a legal license to commit fraud and harm the disabled, the elderly, the first-time buyer, and families, and walk away with a commission check without accountability for their unethical and alleged criminal acts.","topics_json":"[\"housing\",\"public_safety\"]","vector_id":"vec_seg_98807_511","created_at":"2026-10-31T05:09:15Z","speaker_name":null},{"id":"seg_98807_512","meeting_id":"98807","media_asset_id":"med_98807_fb4bb6dac6c4b7de","agenda_item_id":null,"speaker_id":"spk_98807_public_commenter","speaker_confidence":0.95,"start_sec":7908.08,"end_sec":7945.28,"text":"The problem, without a police report, nothing moves forward. The FBI, which handles mortgage fraud, can't act without a police report. The Attorney General's office criminal division won't act without a police report. Dover Police Department dismissed my evidence twice as a civil matter and refused to review any documents outlining a possible crime. When law enforcement deprioritizes housing fraud crimes, it enables a system of discrimination in which perpetrators act with impunity, knowing there will be no accountability.","topics_json":"[\"housing\",\"public_safety\"]","vector_id":"vec_seg_98807_512","created_at":"2026-10-31T05:09:15Z","speaker_name":null},{"id":"seg_98807_513","meeting_id":"98807","media_asset_id":"med_98807_fb4bb6dac6c4b7de","agenda_item_id":null,"speaker_id":"spk_98807_public_commenter","speaker_confidence":0.95,"start_sec":7945.28,"end_sec":7979.48,"text":"Consumer Protection declined to act, citing, \"We don't do these type of cases,\" even though there are existing c- consumer protection laws that specifically address misrepresentations by a realtor. Professional Regulations refused to act against a realtor or broker. I received a letter stating that the DPR investigator stated insufficient evidence from the investigator because the final decision was made by a realtor, an advisor to the agency in the same profession, protecting their colleagues.","topics_json":"[\"housing\",\"public_safety\"]","vector_id":"vec_seg_98807_513","created_at":"2026-10-31T05:09:15Z","speaker_name":null},{"id":"seg_98807_514","meeting_id":"98807","media_asset_id":"med_98807_fb4bb6dac6c4b7de","agenda_item_id":null,"speaker_id":"spk_98807_public_commenter","speaker_confidence":0.95,"start_sec":7979.48,"end_sec":8029.68,"text":"In 2025, after 3 years of constant duress, stress, financial ruin, and instability, I was diagnosed with heart failure, which occurred 3 years ago when I purchased this home. My health decline is directly linked to this dilapidated home. This is a public health issue, a consumer protection issue, and a civil rights issue. Yet, there is no one in the state of Delaware, not the Dover Police Department, not state agencies, criminal or compliance, that will go against a realtor, a broker, a lender, a seller, or closing agent. No attorney will help me and others like me in this situation to hold these individuals accountable for the harm done to me and my young children.","topics_json":"[\"housing\",\"public_safety\"]","vector_id":"vec_seg_98807_514","created_at":"2026-10-31T05:09:15Z","speaker_name":null},{"id":"seg_98807_515","meeting_id":"98807","media_asset_id":"med_98807_fb4bb6dac6c4b7de","agenda_item_id":null,"speaker_id":"spk_98807_public_commenter","speaker_confidence":0.95,"start_sec":8029.68,"end_sec":8060.58,"text":"Only two councilmen, which are the two that were mentioned earlier, were the only people that did not turn me away. As a disabled woman, I have the right to a safe home. As a mother, I have the right to protect my children from harm in the purchase of a home. As a consumer, I have the right to honesty and transparency. As a citizen, I have the right for justice. I am here to tell you, my life matters, my children's lives matter, our voices matter, and our stor-","topics_json":"[\"housing\",\"public_safety\"]","vector_id":"vec_seg_98807_515","created_at":"2026-10-31T05:09:15Z","speaker_name":null},{"id":"seg_98807_516","meeting_id":"98807","media_asset_id":"med_98807_fb4bb6dac6c4b7de","agenda_item_id":null,"speaker_id":"spk_98807_public_commenter","speaker_confidence":0.9,"start_sec":8060.58,"end_sec":8257.18,"text":"it calls us to demand accountability and justice and not be dismissed. I am here because the system meant to protect us did not simply fail, it collapsed. And I am here because policy change is not optional. It's urgent. Delaware lacks mandatory verification of disclosure form information, enforcement of false information of or housing case fraud cases, tracking of home repairs and permits, accountability for fraudulent appraisals, legal remedies for victims, law enforcement engagement and transparency in real estate transactions. The reason a buyer cannot sue and win is because the everyone in the real estate chain holds all the cards. The buyer is the one left in the dark and has to trust 100% that the realtor is acting on their best interest, best interests. In my case, my realtor was acting in his best interests. Silence is not an option, nor is complicity, and justice should not be a request, it should be a demand. I am asking you, not as politicians, not as chairmen, not as council members, but as human beings to ensure that no other family endures what my two children and I have suffered for over 3 years. I am told that everybody knows everybody in Delaware, so I'm asking for those who are here this evening to help us with finding a solution to fix these homes and finding an attorney to make this right with the victims who are suffering over 3 years at the hands of unethical realtors we entrusted to find a home but committed an alleged crime of fraud while violating our civil rights under the Fair Housing Act in an alleged self for-profit scheme. We need justice for the physical harm and the alleged criminal acts done against us for purchasing a home to fulfill wanting the American dream of homeownership for our families. When each of you go home tonight, you go home to a home to a safe and and secure. When I go home, my family and I live with the threat of illness, the threat of gas leaks due to illegal, non-compliant piping, the threat of our homes may collapse due to severe financial, I'm sorry, foundational, structural, water, and termite damage. I live in fear daily of not having enough money for repairs, food, medicine, of being able to pay the next unforeseen, devastating repair. We live every day, every hour, and every moment in fear all because we purchased a home from a realtor we trusted. The question before you is not whether the system is broken, the question is how deeply it has been allowed to crack and whether you will be the ones to start repairing it and help victims like me get justice. My house, my home has financially destroyed me, causing severe","topics_json":"[\"housing\"]","vector_id":"vec_seg_98807_516","created_at":"2026-10-31T05:09:15Z","speaker_name":null},{"id":"seg_98807_517","meeting_id":"98807","media_asset_id":"med_98807_fb4bb6dac6c4b7de","agenda_item_id":null,"speaker_id":"spk_98807_public_commenter","speaker_confidence":0.9,"start_sec":8257.18,"end_sec":8297.83,"text":"mental hardship and immense emotional duress, which is directly linked to my tangible health decline due to the financial instability caused by my realtors and other co-conspirators in my housing purchase. This house is physically killing me and causing harm to my children. We need an attorney who is not going to re-victimize us by charging $400 an hour and telling the victim that they have to do all the work. We need individuals who can seek justice for the wrong done to my family and two other families in the same predicament in this area. We need help getting out of these compromised unsafe homes. This is why the Lemon Law was created. I'd like to thank all of you for your time and your attention and listening to my story.","topics_json":"[\"housing\"]","vector_id":"vec_seg_98807_517","created_at":"2026-10-31T05:09:15Z","speaker_name":null},{"id":"seg_98807_518","meeting_id":"98807","media_asset_id":"med_98807_fb4bb6dac6c4b7de","agenda_item_id":null,"speaker_id":"off_fred_a_neil","speaker_confidence":0.95,"start_sec":8297.83,"end_sec":8298.55,"text":"Thank you, ma'am.","topics_json":"[]","vector_id":"vec_seg_98807_518","created_at":"2026-10-31T05:09:15Z","speaker_name":"Fred A. 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Uh just as as uh Kay mentioned, you you don't do this work without a huge group, a community truly of volunteers and professionals and people simply interested in what","topics_json":"[\"business\"]","vector_id":"vec_seg_98807_52","created_at":"2026-10-31T05:09:13Z","speaker_name":"Diane Laird"},{"id":"seg_98807_520","meeting_id":"98807","media_asset_id":"med_98807_fb4bb6dac6c4b7de","agenda_item_id":null,"speaker_id":"off_fred_a_neil","speaker_confidence":0.95,"start_sec":8299.65,"end_sec":8334.43,"text":"Anyone have any questions? If not, uh, Councilwoman, uh, Arndt.","topics_json":"[]","vector_id":"vec_seg_98807_520","created_at":"2026-10-31T05:09:15Z","speaker_name":"Fred A. Neil"},{"id":"seg_98807_521","meeting_id":"98807","media_asset_id":"med_98807_fb4bb6dac6c4b7de","agenda_item_id":null,"speaker_id":"off_tricia_k_arndt","speaker_confidence":0.95,"start_sec":8334.43,"end_sec":8343.42,"text":"Thank you for recognizing me. So in in reading the the proposed ordinance, I did have some questions. Um, specific to the $1,000 fine-","topics_json":"[\"housing\"]","vector_id":"vec_seg_98807_521","created_at":"2026-10-31T05:09:15Z","speaker_name":"Tricia K. Arndt"},{"id":"seg_98807_522","meeting_id":"98807","media_asset_id":"med_98807_fb4bb6dac6c4b7de","agenda_item_id":null,"speaker_id":"spk_98807_unknown_speaker","speaker_confidence":0.7,"start_sec":8343.42,"end_sec":8345.11,"text":"I don't have any- You don't? Okay. Okay, good.","topics_json":"[]","vector_id":"vec_seg_98807_522","created_at":"2026-10-31T05:09:15Z","speaker_name":null},{"id":"seg_98807_523","meeting_id":"98807","media_asset_id":"med_98807_fb4bb6dac6c4b7de","agenda_item_id":null,"speaker_id":"off_tricia_k_arndt","speaker_confidence":0.95,"start_sec":8345.11,"end_sec":8353.61,"text":"Uh, the $1,000 fine, who would pay that? Is that the the realtor would pay that fine? And my question is what if a realtor's not involved? What if there's a direct sale between two parties?","topics_json":"[\"housing\"]","vector_id":"vec_seg_98807_523","created_at":"2026-10-31T05:09:15Z","speaker_name":"Tricia K. Arndt"},{"id":"seg_98807_524","meeting_id":"98807","media_asset_id":"med_98807_fb4bb6dac6c4b7de","agenda_item_id":null,"speaker_id":"off_fred_a_neil","speaker_confidence":0.95,"start_sec":8353.61,"end_sec":8377.05,"text":"If, on direct sales, I think that what's going to happen is, uh, I believe you diff- differ. Uh, and my sense that uh, what to do really quick, uh, in this uh, document, and is his uh, proposal, it's my understanding, which means that if if a house is being bought uh, in, let's say, uh, uh, a repossessed, re- repossess a house, uh, or or any other circumstances where it has to be fixed up, uh, then","topics_json":"[\"housing\"]","vector_id":"vec_seg_98807_524","created_at":"2026-10-31T05:09:15Z","speaker_name":"Fred A. Neil"},{"id":"seg_98807_525","meeting_id":"98807","media_asset_id":"med_98807_fb4bb6dac6c4b7de","agenda_item_id":null,"speaker_id":"off_fred_a_neil","speaker_confidence":0.95,"start_sec":8377.05,"end_sec":8420.56,"text":"uh, the person who was who's responsible is going to be one of the realtors who basically does not get the rest of the check-off. And he has to have Whoever's handling the sale would be the one who says, \"Okay, here is a You have to have a whole house uh, examination, and the person and the uh, buyer has got to uh, sign off on anything that's found that is not correct.\" So there's no question about it, it would be that individual. And it would be that individual who would lose her license to work within the city.","topics_json":"[\"housing\"]","vector_id":"vec_seg_98807_525","created_at":"2026-10-31T05:09:15Z","speaker_name":"Fred A. Neil"},{"id":"seg_98807_526","meeting_id":"98807","media_asset_id":"med_98807_fb4bb6dac6c4b7de","agenda_item_id":null,"speaker_id":"off_tricia_k_arndt","speaker_confidence":0.95,"start_sec":8420.56,"end_sec":8444.29,"text":"So for circumstances where um, a home inspection doesn't make sense or is is is not an option, foreclosures, or if there's a purchase of the property and it's understood the property's going to be demolished or rehabbed, um, so the buyer would not be interested, would not need uh, a home inspection. So I would propose an amendment to this that there is an option uh, for the buyer to choose to waive this requirement for a home inspection. So I'll propose that as as an amendment.","topics_json":"[\"housing\"]","vector_id":"vec_seg_98807_526","created_at":"2026-10-31T05:09:15Z","speaker_name":"Tricia K. Arndt"},{"id":"seg_98807_527","meeting_id":"98807","media_asset_id":"med_98807_fb4bb6dac6c4b7de","agenda_item_id":null,"speaker_id":"off_fred_a_neil","speaker_confidence":0.95,"start_sec":8444.29,"end_sec":8453.78,"text":"And I'll second that. So basically if somebody is uh, going to uh, pick up the property because it's been repossessed by uh, a a bank or any other circumstances where that","topics_json":"[\"housing\"]","vector_id":"vec_seg_98807_527","created_at":"2026-10-31T05:09:15Z","speaker_name":"Fred A. Neil"},{"id":"seg_98807_528","meeting_id":"98807","media_asset_id":"med_98807_fb4bb6dac6c4b7de","agenda_item_id":null,"speaker_id":"off_fred_a_neil","speaker_confidence":1,"start_sec":8453.78,"end_sec":8476.58,"text":"person is not going to be living in that house, but is going to be selling that house, then they don't need they don't need the inspection. And it'll be that their option to sell it uh buy that house as is, and then uh go on. Only when the person is when the house is fixed up, that's when the inspection has to take place under under your amendment.","topics_json":"[\"housing\"]","vector_id":"vec_seg_98807_528","created_at":"2026-10-31T05:09:15Z","speaker_name":"Fred A. Neil"},{"id":"seg_98807_529","meeting_id":"98807","media_asset_id":"med_98807_fb4bb6dac6c4b7de","agenda_item_id":null,"speaker_id":"off_tricia_k_arndt","speaker_confidence":1,"start_sec":8476.58,"end_sec":8499.88,"text":"And then, in circumstances where um the buyer is not made aware of a home inspection option, at what point is the buyer then reporting that to the city that a violation has occurred for the city to then act on the realtor who did not offer the inspection?","topics_json":"[\"housing\"]","vector_id":"vec_seg_98807_529","created_at":"2026-10-31T05:09:15Z","speaker_name":"Tricia K. Arndt"},{"id":"seg_98807_53","meeting_id":"98807","media_asset_id":"med_98807_fb4bb6dac6c4b7de","agenda_item_id":null,"speaker_id":"spk_98807_diane_laird","speaker_confidence":0.95,"start_sec":786.4,"end_sec":983,"text":"we're trying to achieve. I do want to mention this is a draft annual report. Our uh board of directors has not yet approved it, but I find it always interesting to come to the City Council first. Uh we may make some adjustments or clarifications just to ensure that it's clear and it's uh concise and also comprehensive. It's fairly hard to take uh just a few pages and try to bring to uh sort of an abbreviated fashion uh the the level of of detail and complexity that we deal with as well as the breadth of things that we deal with. So I'm going to start by highlighting a few of our accomplishments of 2025. I will end with some uh forecasting of what is in the year that we are currently in, 2026, and in the in the in the middle, I'll tell you about some of the highlights of those activities. Uh one of the most exciting uh uh uh achievements of the year was the groundbreaking for the Mobility Center. This is a very large-scale project, the first redevelopment priority project that we have undertaken, been working on for the last 3 years. Our master plan, as a reminder, did come to fruition and delivery in 2023, January of 2023. So we've been working on that for 3 years, and I'm happy to say that we did have the groundbreaking. We anticipate parking cars by December. And um I wanted to come tonight with a really uh great signed paper. I don't have it quite yet, but we're preparing to sign a lease for uh a retention measure in the city of about 85 employees uh and hope to announce that by the end of the week. But that will be the first floor, the first uh a half of the space of the first floor of the Mobility Center. And uh as I said, hopefully you'll hear about that by the end of this week or early next week. That's significant, and I can't wait to tell you more about it. But it is it is something that we didn't envision for the Mobility Center. When the opportunity came to us, uh we quickly jumped on it, and we shifted plans for the structure itself. And of course the prices went up some, the time expanded, but we are going to be parking cars by the end of this year, and we will have the new tenant in place uh next year, uh probably by spring. I want to mention a great partnership, uh well always a great partnership with the City. We have it very all levels, all uh departments, uh great relationships and work together. But one of the uh exciting uh opportunities that is underway in planning stages, and implementation will be next year, is for the downtown Dover pathways and Loockerman Street uh traffic calming uh measures that will go in concert with the water and wastewater improvements for Loockerman Street. I want to mention Marilyn uh from Dover Kent MPO, Marilyn Smith here, who was integral to bringing the conceptuals and bringing the community together, coming up with the concept for the improvements, and then moving ahead to uh actual implementation with the City in terms of the planning, and then implementation of the project next year. Uh I'm excited to say our other primary uh let's say one of the top two priority projects","topics_json":"[\"business\",\"budget\"]","vector_id":"vec_seg_98807_53","created_at":"2026-10-31T05:09:13Z","speaker_name":"Diane Laird"},{"id":"seg_98807_530","meeting_id":"98807","media_asset_id":"med_98807_fb4bb6dac6c4b7de","agenda_item_id":null,"speaker_id":"spk_98807_fred_a_neil","speaker_confidence":1,"start_sec":8499.88,"end_sec":8565.88,"text":"We're we're going to have to uh basically educate uh the realtors that this is required in the city. And then at that point that whatever uh information that's provided would indicate if you do have a a complaint about this, it would go to the city manager first. And then whatever we decide, whatever the city manager decide, it can be appealed to the Code of Appeals.","topics_json":"[\"housing\"]","vector_id":"vec_seg_98807_530","created_at":"2026-10-31T05:09:15Z","speaker_name":null},{"id":"seg_98807_531","meeting_id":"98807","media_asset_id":"med_98807_fb4bb6dac6c4b7de","agenda_item_id":null,"speaker_id":"off_tricia_k_arndt","speaker_confidence":1,"start_sec":8565.88,"end_sec":8587.48,"text":"Okay, thank you for that. I would also ask that um should this ordinance pass um that the Division of Professional Regulation be notified that we've made a change to home sales within within the city, and also that the Delaware Association of REALTORS be made aware that we've made a change to how homes are purchased in the city.","topics_json":"[\"housing\"]","vector_id":"vec_seg_98807_531","created_at":"2026-10-31T05:09:15Z","speaker_name":"Tricia K. 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Arndt"},{"id":"seg_98807_534","meeting_id":"98807","media_asset_id":"med_98807_fb4bb6dac6c4b7de","agenda_item_id":null,"speaker_id":"off_fred_a_neil","speaker_confidence":1,"start_sec":8603.48,"end_sec":8606.98,"text":"Anybody else have any additional questions?","topics_json":"[]","vector_id":"vec_seg_98807_534","created_at":"2026-10-31T05:09:15Z","speaker_name":"Fred A. Neil"},{"id":"seg_98807_535","meeting_id":"98807","media_asset_id":"med_98807_fb4bb6dac6c4b7de","agenda_item_id":null,"speaker_id":"spk_98807_city_staff","speaker_confidence":0.85,"start_sec":8606.98,"end_sec":8610.58,"text":"Mr. Kopp's raising his hand. Mr. Anderson has a question.","topics_json":"[]","vector_id":"vec_seg_98807_535","created_at":"2026-10-31T05:09:15Z","speaker_name":null},{"id":"seg_98807_536","meeting_id":"98807","media_asset_id":"med_98807_fb4bb6dac6c4b7de","agenda_item_id":null,"speaker_id":"off_fred_a_neil","speaker_confidence":1,"start_sec":8610.58,"end_sec":8612.58,"text":"Mr. Anderson. Councilman Anderson.","topics_json":"[]","vector_id":"vec_seg_98807_536","created_at":"2026-10-31T05:09:15Z","speaker_name":"Fred A. Neil"},{"id":"seg_98807_537","meeting_id":"98807","media_asset_id":"med_98807_fb4bb6dac6c4b7de","agenda_item_id":null,"speaker_id":"spk_98807_city_staff","speaker_confidence":0.85,"start_sec":8612.58,"end_sec":8650.38,"text":"And Eddie was raising his hand.","topics_json":"[]","vector_id":"vec_seg_98807_537","created_at":"2026-10-31T05:09:15Z","speaker_name":null},{"id":"seg_98807_538","meeting_id":"98807","media_asset_id":"med_98807_fb4bb6dac6c4b7de","agenda_item_id":null,"speaker_id":"off_david_l_anderson","speaker_confidence":1,"start_sec":8650.38,"end_sec":8650.38,"text":"Uh thank you, Mr. President. Uh I am definitely going to uh vote in favor of this ordinance. I I hate to see anything that adds um burdensome cost, but uh I always feel that a home inspection is um just like having an attorney. It is something that you really need to protect yourself and and your family. Uh I would like to, I don't know about if uh the the lady would be eligible, but I would recommend um that she checks out uh the home repair fund that exists through the the city, which is um uh administered by Milford Housing Development Corporation. She looks looks up Milford Housing and and calls to see, because uh some of the types of repairs that are mentioned are are made to order for that if she qualifies. Um and a lot of people do that don't think they would.","topics_json":"[\"housing\"]","vector_id":"vec_seg_98807_538","created_at":"2026-10-31T05:09:15Z","speaker_name":"David L. Anderson"},{"id":"seg_98807_539","meeting_id":"98807","media_asset_id":"med_98807_fb4bb6dac6c4b7de","agenda_item_id":null,"speaker_id":"off_roy_sudler_jr","speaker_confidence":0.95,"start_sec":8650.38,"end_sec":8660.15,"text":"So I, I would, uh, just highly recommend that, uh. Uh, and and that in that part, I'd yield, Mr. President.","topics_json":"[\"housing\"]","vector_id":"vec_seg_98807_539","created_at":"2026-10-31T05:09:15Z","speaker_name":"Roy Sudler, Jr."},{"id":"seg_98807_54","meeting_id":"98807","media_asset_id":"med_98807_fb4bb6dac6c4b7de","agenda_item_id":null,"speaker_id":"spk_98807_diane_laird","speaker_confidence":0.95,"start_sec":983,"end_sec":1009.05,"text":"projects is 120 South Governors Avenue, known as The Governor, mixed-use 120 mixed-income apartments, and that will also have a small-scale, but full-scale grocery, a cafe, several micro-retail shops, a daycare with an open outdoor play area that will be open to the public, and a wellness center. So we're anticipating final approvals, and well, we've got all the approvals, but we're anticipating the final capital stack of $53 million or so dollars to be put together so that we can break ground within a year.","topics_json":"[\"housing\",\"business\",\"budget\"]","vector_id":"vec_seg_98807_54","created_at":"2026-10-31T05:09:13Z","speaker_name":"Diane Laird"},{"id":"seg_98807_540","meeting_id":"98807","media_asset_id":"med_98807_fb4bb6dac6c4b7de","agenda_item_id":null,"speaker_id":"off_fred_a_neil","speaker_confidence":0.95,"start_sec":8660.8,"end_sec":8674.2,"text":"Uh, I do have firsthand information. She has tried that, and she's not considered eligible for it, unfortunately. Anyone else? If not, uh, I call the question. Please call a roll call vote.","topics_json":"[\"housing\"]","vector_id":"vec_seg_98807_540","created_at":"2026-10-31T05:09:15Z","speaker_name":"Fred A. Neil"},{"id":"seg_98807_541","meeting_id":"98807","media_asset_id":"med_98807_fb4bb6dac6c4b7de","agenda_item_id":null,"speaker_id":"off_fred_a_neil","speaker_confidence":0.9,"start_sec":8674.76,"end_sec":8679.73,"text":"Eddie Kopp's in the back. Oh, well, yes. Eddie. Mr. Kopp.","topics_json":"[]","vector_id":"vec_seg_98807_541","created_at":"2026-10-31T05:09:15Z","speaker_name":"Fred A. Neil"},{"id":"seg_98807_542","meeting_id":"98807","media_asset_id":"med_98807_fb4bb6dac6c4b7de","agenda_item_id":null,"speaker_id":"spk_98807_eddie_kopp","speaker_confidence":0.95,"start_sec":8688.04,"end_sec":8846.98,"text":"Good evening, City Council. My name is Eddie Kopp, Chief Code Enforcement Officer for the City of Dover. I just want to express a couple concerns I have with the ordinance. Um, Councilwoman Arndt brought up the transfer of sale. Um, one of the concerns with that is a sheriff's sale, or say we have a building declared dangerous in the city, and a prospective buyer wants to come buy it. The need for a housing inspection report from someone who's, one, if they're going to tear the building down, could hinder that sale or process. Uh, the other thing I have concerns, especially listening what I heard tonight, was that property, the way it was described, is a condemnation. That's beyond, um, livable based off of what was described. As a public servant, and I'm charged with the welfare and safety of the City of Dover citizens, that concerns me. And hearing that, I'm I'm very well concerned. That property should be condemned. She should not be in it, based on what I've heard. Part of my duties and my job is to find these properties, to correct these properties, and to protect the welfare and safety of the citizens. Um, in this ordinance, what I see is the the home inspection, it it calls out that we need the inspection, but doesn't quote code, or doesn't quote codes, it doesn't quote law. It just says it needs an inspection. To whose standards? To the home inspector's standards? It doesn't have the standard in here. I point this out because as I've drafted many ordinances, um, I've tried to get as much teeth in them. That way when we go to a court of law, it's going to stand its ground. With this, it doesn't really specify and that's one of the concerns. Um, it talks about the facts. It talks about operational and safety standards, but doesn't quote or state what safety standards. One of the things I try putting in my ordinance is the adopted City of Dover code codes and ordinances, that way we're covered. Whatever's covered under building code or ordinance would be covered. Um, the other concern I had was record keeping. Um, everything we do, we capture, we record, we document. Uh, everything that's done in the city is subject to FOIA request. One of my concerns would be there's nothing in here about document retention or how we're even going to obtain them records. Um, whenever it comes down to enforcement, we have to be able to justify why we enforce that. If this this ordinance does not give the buyer the opportunity to decline from what I've seen, and I saw something in here about licenses, um, I missed that in","topics_json":"[\"housing\",\"public_safety\",\"zoning\"]","vector_id":"vec_seg_98807_542","created_at":"2026-10-31T05:09:15Z","speaker_name":"Eddie Kopp"},{"id":"seg_98807_543","meeting_id":"98807","media_asset_id":"med_98807_fb4bb6dac6c4b7de","agenda_item_id":null,"speaker_id":"spk_98807_city_staff","speaker_confidence":0.85,"start_sec":8846.98,"end_sec":8951.04,"text":"reviewing this a few times, I have, but there is a, when it comes down to business licenses and rental licenses, there's a provisional order process that has to be followed through before we revoke somebody's license or suspend somebody's license. My recommendation at this time is and and this is just my recommendation is this be deferred while I can do some research and present a stronger ordinance. I do agree that this ordinance needs to happen, but I think there are some things in here that could be changed to spruce it up, make it strong, make it enforceable, and maybe take some of the responsibility off the city manager. One of the big concerns with that is that's a level of appeal. So, the first thing that I do when somebody challenges my question before we go to the Dover Board of Appeals or City Council or the court of law is I review it as a supervisor. What did my staff do? Let me review it. Let me see if they interpreted the code correctly. Then we have another step. It would go to a director, which is now vacant. But then it would go to the city manager. So, there's several approving authorities to look over that to make sure we interpreted that code correctly. Going straight to the city manager takes out all them extra eyes. I can't tell you how many appeals that have gone to the city clerk's office to where I caught and I'm like, we we quoted the wrong code, we took a picture of the wrong house, or something's not right.","topics_json":"[\"housing\",\"business\"]","vector_id":"vec_seg_98807_543","created_at":"2026-10-31T05:09:15Z","speaker_name":null},{"id":"seg_98807_544","meeting_id":"98807","media_asset_id":"med_98807_fb4bb6dac6c4b7de","agenda_item_id":null,"speaker_id":"spk_98807_city_staff","speaker_confidence":0.85,"start_sec":8951.04,"end_sec":9005.84,"text":"Let's take a look at this. Let's reassess this. I do that with every appeal that comes in. That would be my concern is I don't want to waste time, don't want to waste the city manager's time, the council's time, or the court's time going through things that we could have caught at the staff level at the staff level. So, although I do understand the ordinance, I think there's some changes that could be made in here to make it stronger. Maybe have staff sit down and consider what we can do to strengthen this and make this more enforceable. The last thing I want to see, and as we see it all too often, we write the ordinance, then we're coming back a couple months later because we missed so much in it and we have to spruce it back up. I'd rather do it right the first time and just get all this stuff hammered out and fixed. That way, we're using the most efficient time and resources as possible. I'll take any question if anybody has any questions for me.","topics_json":"[\"housing\",\"business\"]","vector_id":"vec_seg_98807_544","created_at":"2026-10-31T05:09:15Z","speaker_name":null},{"id":"seg_98807_545","meeting_id":"98807","media_asset_id":"med_98807_fb4bb6dac6c4b7de","agenda_item_id":null,"speaker_id":"off_fred_a_neil","speaker_confidence":0.95,"start_sec":9006.34,"end_sec":9011.1,"text":"As a sponsor, I don't really have a problem with that. Councilman Rocha?","topics_json":"[\"housing\",\"business\"]","vector_id":"vec_seg_98807_545","created_at":"2026-10-31T05:09:15Z","speaker_name":"Fred A. Neil"},{"id":"seg_98807_546","meeting_id":"98807","media_asset_id":"med_98807_fb4bb6dac6c4b7de","agenda_item_id":null,"speaker_id":"off_gerald_l_rocha_sr","speaker_confidence":0.95,"start_sec":9011.31,"end_sec":9016.43,"text":"Yeah. No, I I don't either. I thought I thought that we had sent it to you. Didn't you make recommendations on that before?","topics_json":"[\"housing\",\"business\"]","vector_id":"vec_seg_98807_546","created_at":"2026-10-31T05:09:15Z","speaker_name":"Gerald L. Rocha, Sr."},{"id":"seg_98807_547","meeting_id":"98807","media_asset_id":"med_98807_fb4bb6dac6c4b7de","agenda_item_id":null,"speaker_id":"spk_98807_city_staff","speaker_confidence":0.85,"start_sec":9016.43,"end_sec":9018.99,"text":"I made some recommendations, but unfortunately they did not end up on this final draft.","topics_json":"[\"housing\",\"business\"]","vector_id":"vec_seg_98807_547","created_at":"2026-10-31T05:09:15Z","speaker_name":null},{"id":"seg_98807_548","meeting_id":"98807","media_asset_id":"med_98807_fb4bb6dac6c4b7de","agenda_item_id":null,"speaker_id":"off_gerald_l_rocha_sr","speaker_confidence":0.95,"start_sec":9018.99,"end_sec":9021.12,"text":"Okay. Yeah, I'm amenable to that.","topics_json":"[\"housing\",\"business\"]","vector_id":"vec_seg_98807_548","created_at":"2026-10-31T05:09:15Z","speaker_name":"Gerald L. Rocha, Sr."},{"id":"seg_98807_549","meeting_id":"98807","media_asset_id":"med_98807_fb4bb6dac6c4b7de","agenda_item_id":null,"speaker_id":"off_fred_a_neil","speaker_confidence":0.95,"start_sec":9021.12,"end_sec":9042.8,"text":"Because the problem that we also have, the the scenario that we can add into that, uh to at the same time, so if a person is buying really an as-is house, wants to sell an as-is house, the end product, it doesn't hurt the end product. To that to the person who is going to live in that house, that this this ordinance really, that's where this ordinance takes effect, would have it. And we did have the city solicitor take a look at it, so that has been done. Yes, sir.","topics_json":"[\"housing\",\"business\"]","vector_id":"vec_seg_98807_549","created_at":"2026-10-31T05:09:15Z","speaker_name":"Fred A. 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How how long do you think it would take, yeah, for you to do the research and and uh back it up with uh any any other code that would go along with it?","topics_json":"[]","vector_id":"vec_seg_98807_551","created_at":"2026-10-31T05:09:15Z","speaker_name":"Roy Sudler, Jr."},{"id":"seg_98807_552","meeting_id":"98807","media_asset_id":"med_98807_fb4bb6dac6c4b7de","agenda_item_id":null,"speaker_id":"spk_98807_eddie_kopp","speaker_confidence":0.9,"start_sec":9050.91,"end_sec":9053.27,"text":"Uh would it need to go back to the committee or back to council?","topics_json":"[]","vector_id":"vec_seg_98807_552","created_at":"2026-10-31T05:09:15Z","speaker_name":"Eddie Kopp"},{"id":"seg_98807_553","meeting_id":"98807","media_asset_id":"med_98807_fb4bb6dac6c4b7de","agenda_item_id":null,"speaker_id":"off_roy_sudler_jr","speaker_confidence":0.95,"start_sec":9053.27,"end_sec":9055.13,"text":"I think it could come back to council, I would think.","topics_json":"[]","vector_id":"vec_seg_98807_553","created_at":"2026-10-31T05:09:15Z","speaker_name":"Roy Sudler, Jr."},{"id":"seg_98807_554","meeting_id":"98807","media_asset_id":"med_98807_fb4bb6dac6c4b7de","agenda_item_id":null,"speaker_id":"off_fred_a_neil","speaker_confidence":0.95,"start_sec":9055.13,"end_sec":9056.12,"text":"Council, yes.","topics_json":"[]","vector_id":"vec_seg_98807_554","created_at":"2026-10-31T05:09:15Z","speaker_name":"Fred A. 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Thank you.","topics_json":"[]","vector_id":"vec_seg_98807_556","created_at":"2026-10-31T05:09:15Z","speaker_name":"Roy Sudler, Jr."},{"id":"seg_98807_557","meeting_id":"98807","media_asset_id":"med_98807_fb4bb6dac6c4b7de","agenda_item_id":null,"speaker_id":"spk_98807_eddie_kopp","speaker_confidence":0.85,"start_sec":9061.28,"end_sec":9062.08,"text":"No worries.","topics_json":"[]","vector_id":"vec_seg_98807_557","created_at":"2026-10-31T05:09:15Z","speaker_name":"Eddie Kopp"},{"id":"seg_98807_558","meeting_id":"98807","media_asset_id":"med_98807_fb4bb6dac6c4b7de","agenda_item_id":null,"speaker_id":"off_fred_a_neil","speaker_confidence":0.95,"start_sec":9062.08,"end_sec":9066.62,"text":"Okay. Um yes, Councilwoman Hall.","topics_json":"[]","vector_id":"vec_seg_98807_558","created_at":"2026-10-31T05:09:15Z","speaker_name":"Fred A. 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Uh now, the last item on the agenda uh was from February 25th, 2026, the Consent Agenda uh number 14, Animal Control Officer Briefing, uh and uh on that uh it was pulled from the record uh because of uh clarification need for clarification. Tonight, I shall permit it to go forward with the comment that the miscommunications have been resolved, and vote uh to pass it. Uh all in favor?","topics_json":"[]","vector_id":"vec_seg_98807_579","created_at":"2026-10-31T05:09:15Z","speaker_name":"Fred A. Neil"},{"id":"seg_98807_58","meeting_id":"98807","media_asset_id":"med_98807_fb4bb6dac6c4b7de","agenda_item_id":null,"speaker_id":"spk_98807_diane_laird","speaker_confidence":0.95,"start_sec":1166.46,"end_sec":1179.6,"text":"To go into some of our committee work, we're on we're have volunteer committees of of of grassroots population as well as professionals. 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So, we had 11 businesses benefited from that. And that's really very exciting.","topics_json":"[\"business\",\"budget\"]","vector_id":"vec_seg_98807_59","created_at":"2026-10-31T05:09:13Z","speaker_name":"Diane Laird"},{"id":"seg_98807_590","meeting_id":"98807","media_asset_id":"med_98807_fb4bb6dac6c4b7de","agenda_item_id":null,"speaker_id":"spk_98807_fred_a_neil","speaker_confidence":1,"start_sec":9315.21,"end_sec":9320.24,"text":"I got excited again. City Manager announcements, uh Sharon Duca.","topics_json":"[]","vector_id":"vec_seg_98807_590","created_at":"2026-10-31T05:09:15Z","speaker_name":null},{"id":"seg_98807_591","meeting_id":"98807","media_asset_id":"med_98807_fb4bb6dac6c4b7de","agenda_item_id":null,"speaker_id":"spk_98807_sharon_duca","speaker_confidence":1,"start_sec":9320.24,"end_sec":9378.14,"text":"Uh thank you, Council President. I just have a couple things. Uh one, I wanted to remind people to report an emergency with your water and sewer service, an electric outage or street light outage, please call electric system operations at [contact removed] and select option three. I would also like to note that uh starting last week, we've been collecting up uh bulk yard waste from the post-winter storm. Um that is going to be running through March 13th. If you were unable to make these dates, um please know that you'll need to follow regular size limitations uh until spring clean-up, which is scheduled to start April 6th to April 17th. And again, there will be no size limitations on the piles. Thank you.","topics_json":"[]","vector_id":"vec_seg_98807_591","created_at":"2026-10-31T05:09:15Z","speaker_name":"Sharon Duca"},{"id":"seg_98807_592","meeting_id":"98807","media_asset_id":"med_98807_fb4bb6dac6c4b7de","agenda_item_id":null,"speaker_id":"off_fred_a_neil","speaker_confidence":1,"start_sec":9378.14,"end_sec":9382.5,"text":"Okay. Now we have council member's announcements. Yes, Councilman Boggerty.","topics_json":"[]","vector_id":"vec_seg_98807_592","created_at":"2026-10-31T05:09:15Z","speaker_name":"Fred A. Neil"},{"id":"seg_98807_593","meeting_id":"98807","media_asset_id":"med_98807_fb4bb6dac6c4b7de","agenda_item_id":null,"speaker_id":"off_andre_m_boggerty","speaker_confidence":1,"start_sec":9382.5,"end_sec":9427.25,"text":"I want to congratulate, thank you, Council President, uh the Dover basketball boys unified team. I was able to go to that game today a little bit, and it looks like they're on their way to the Bob too to play for another championship. And um also the the boys uh Dover boys team will have moved on to the Bob and advanced in the playoffs. So, while we have a lot of challenges, there are still some good um good kids doing some good things and and something to cheer about. So, way to go Dover.","topics_json":"[]","vector_id":"vec_seg_98807_593","created_at":"2026-10-31T05:09:15Z","speaker_name":"Andre M. Boggerty"},{"id":"seg_98807_594","meeting_id":"98807","media_asset_id":"med_98807_fb4bb6dac6c4b7de","agenda_item_id":null,"speaker_id":"off_fred_a_neil","speaker_confidence":1,"start_sec":9427.25,"end_sec":9431,"text":"Any other announcements? Hearing no other announcements, now the meeting is adjourned.","topics_json":"[]","vector_id":"vec_seg_98807_594","created_at":"2026-10-31T05:09:15Z","speaker_name":"Fred A. Neil"},{"id":"seg_98807_6","meeting_id":"98807","media_asset_id":"med_98807_fb4bb6dac6c4b7de","agenda_item_id":null,"speaker_id":"off_fred_a_neil","speaker_confidence":0.95,"start_sec":22.42,"end_sec":25.89,"text":"Any opposed? Hearing none, the amendment and the agenda has been adopted.","topics_json":"[]","vector_id":"vec_seg_98807_6","created_at":"2026-10-31T05:09:13Z","speaker_name":"Fred A. Neil"},{"id":"seg_98807_60","meeting_id":"98807","media_asset_id":"med_98807_fb4bb6dac6c4b7de","agenda_item_id":null,"speaker_id":"spk_98807_diane_laird","speaker_confidence":0.9,"start_sec":1201.73,"end_sec":1248.5,"text":"Uh we've assisted quite a number of businesses here and I think it's really important to note that through our uh contractor uh workshops uh for work locally, we had over 60 local contractors participate, uh some minority, some not, most very local or at least within the region, and they are being filtered through uh the the processes at EDiS Construction and Builders to find out if there are logical matches for work that's going to happen here at the Mobility Center.","topics_json":"[\"business\"]","vector_id":"vec_seg_98807_60","created_at":"2026-10-31T05:09:13Z","speaker_name":"Diane Laird"},{"id":"seg_98807_61","meeting_id":"98807","media_asset_id":"med_98807_fb4bb6dac6c4b7de","agenda_item_id":null,"speaker_id":"spk_98807_diane_laird","speaker_confidence":0.9,"start_sec":1249.03,"end_sec":1317.27,"text":"Um the design committee worked on a very exciting project this uh this year, and you can see right there in the center. That's actually a metal um uh artistic way to uh keep people from being on, loitering, and sitting, and doing other things on those steps there in front of the old Sears building outside of 32 West. Uh 32 West uh restaurant became sort of the uh audience for what happened across the street, and it wasn't usually very promising. There's a bus stop there and a crosswalk. And there was a uh terrific uh compilation of partners, the Division of Arts, Keep Delaware Beautiful, the DDP, and the property owner, to come together with the funding to create a beautiful way to sort of keep people from being on that area. So, we feel that was a real win both in developing partnerships for a great outcome, and it was a successful, what is known as CPTED uh uh outcome, crime prevention through environmental design. So, we're very excited about that.","topics_json":"[\"public_safety\",\"business\"]","vector_id":"vec_seg_98807_61","created_at":"2026-10-31T05:09:13Z","speaker_name":"Diane Laird"},{"id":"seg_98807_62","meeting_id":"98807","media_asset_id":"med_98807_fb4bb6dac6c4b7de","agenda_item_id":null,"speaker_id":"spk_98807_diane_laird","speaker_confidence":0.9,"start_sec":1317.45,"end_sec":1338.09,"text":"Events and activities: our 7th annual Paint Dover took place. We had over 20 artists, 27 artists participating in that. And the also the big win with that is that uh we do that in partnership with the Biggs Museum. And the Biggs Museum is an accredited, high- high-quality museum. They're working on a master plan as well uh, as well as Bayhealth and DSU. And this is exciting to know that we're all kind of entering new territory to partner and engage and enlarge our each of our audiences uh to make something big and better.","topics_json":"[\"business\"]","vector_id":"vec_seg_98807_62","created_at":"2026-10-31T05:09:13Z","speaker_name":"Diane Laird"},{"id":"seg_98807_63","meeting_id":"98807","media_asset_id":"med_98807_fb4bb6dac6c4b7de","agenda_item_id":null,"speaker_id":"spk_98807_diane_laird","speaker_confidence":0.9,"start_sec":1338.35,"end_sec":1376.2,"text":"A new activity last year was the Fire and Ice Festival. The purpose of that event is to bring people in the community down to see what is going on with the plan. We opened up The Hive, we had lots of uh pictures and posters of the of uh what's going on with the master plan, the buildings, the the things that have happened in the year, the things to come. We need to keep our community engaged and motivated about what we're doing. We had over 500 people in there on Friday night and throughout Saturday uh last January. We ran it again this year uh under the name Winterfest Downtown Dover, changed that name. We had a train there. That was","topics_json":"[\"business\"]","vector_id":"vec_seg_98807_63","created_at":"2026-10-31T05:09:13Z","speaker_name":"Diane Laird"},{"id":"seg_98807_64","meeting_id":"98807","media_asset_id":"med_98807_fb4bb6dac6c4b7de","agenda_item_id":null,"speaker_id":"spk_98807_diane_laird","speaker_confidence":0.95,"start_sec":1376.2,"end_sec":1390.12,"text":"pretty exciting, thanks to the Mayor and City uh City of Dover. Uh, but we will continue that um as long as we believe there is value in it. We believe there's great value in allowing people to come out in the middle of winter and see what's happening uh in the year ahead and to look at a full exhibition of beautiful ice sculptures. And so hopefully we will do that again next year.","topics_json":"[\"business\"]","vector_id":"vec_seg_98807_64","created_at":"2026-10-31T05:09:13Z","speaker_name":"Diane Laird"},{"id":"seg_98807_65","meeting_id":"98807","media_asset_id":"med_98807_fb4bb6dac6c4b7de","agenda_item_id":null,"speaker_id":"spk_98807_diane_laird","speaker_confidence":0.95,"start_sec":1390.33,"end_sec":1399.73,"text":"Uh, we do knit quite a number of strategic partnerships. I failed to note Dover Kent MPO and the KEP, both of whom are terrific partners of ours. Uh, we don't work day to day, but we do significant work uh behind the scenes in support of one another.","topics_json":"[\"business\"]","vector_id":"vec_seg_98807_65","created_at":"2026-10-31T05:09:13Z","speaker_name":"Diane Laird"},{"id":"seg_98807_66","meeting_id":"98807","media_asset_id":"med_98807_fb4bb6dac6c4b7de","agenda_item_id":null,"speaker_id":"spk_98807_diane_laird","speaker_confidence":0.95,"start_sec":1399.99,"end_sec":1450.03,"text":"The merchants committee taking a little bit of a break latter part of this year, uh but they do uh uh increase camaraderie, have mixed uh sort of um uh merchant mixers where they can get together. We host merchant uh window decorating contests to ensure that downtown Dover is getting good marketing about their uh windows and the beauty of downtown. Even as we we're struggling. I mean, downtowns is moving slowly in terms of revitalization. We're doing a lot, but revitalization takes a long time. So, some of these interim uh beautification efforts help us to be motivated as we develop these larger projects.","topics_json":"[\"business\"]","vector_id":"vec_seg_98807_66","created_at":"2026-10-31T05:09:13Z","speaker_name":"Diane Laird"},{"id":"seg_98807_67","meeting_id":"98807","media_asset_id":"med_98807_fb4bb6dac6c4b7de","agenda_item_id":null,"speaker_id":"spk_98807_diane_laird","speaker_confidence":0.95,"start_sec":1450.41,"end_sec":1515.16,"text":"Um, we started electronic sales of uh parking permits, and that's exciting because this is a transition to a paid parking system uh through the Mobility Center and Colonial Management, who will be maintaining and managing that parking garage, which will will be owned by, you can see the logo just below, the Capital City Transformation Alliance. This is a new entity that was formed, a 501(c)(3) entity, and uh what will happen is that entity will own the garage. Funding that goes into uh parking will after maintenance and management of the facility will go right back into downtown revitalization. And that is through the city's forward-thinking um uh gift, really, to downtown through the DDP. Uh, they have given us the responsibility to manage parking assets, and the funding does not go back into the city operating fund as it does in most cities throughout the country, but that funding will come back into revitalizing downtown. So, more to come on that in the years to come.","topics_json":"[\"business\",\"budget\"]","vector_id":"vec_seg_98807_67","created_at":"2026-10-31T05:09:13Z","speaker_name":"Diane Laird"},{"id":"seg_98807_68","meeting_id":"98807","media_asset_id":"med_98807_fb4bb6dac6c4b7de","agenda_item_id":null,"speaker_id":"spk_98807_diane_laird","speaker_confidence":0.95,"start_sec":1515.63,"end_sec":1564.66,"text":"Uh, we've got a lot a lot of volunteer hours valued at about $90,000, and I would say that's a conservative estimate, but nearly $100,000 value of volunteer time is pretty significant. Uh, grant sponsorships, etc., were over $5 million this year, largely through the uh state bond uh funds, but the remaining $282,200 does not go unnoticed because a small project like the metal art uh there at at the old Sears building is just as important as some of these other bigger projects. So, we do want to count for all the funding that comes in is is uh uh used toward betterment of downtown.","topics_json":"[\"business\",\"budget\"]","vector_id":"vec_seg_98807_68","created_at":"2026-10-31T05:09:13Z","speaker_name":"Diane Laird"},{"id":"seg_98807_69","meeting_id":"98807","media_asset_id":"med_98807_fb4bb6dac6c4b7de","agenda_item_id":null,"speaker_id":"spk_98807_diane_laird","speaker_confidence":0.95,"start_sec":1564.9,"end_sec":1572.8,"text":"So, the Mobility Center here, you see the two views, and I've already talked about the grand opening, parking cars in the in the uh year to come. And well, at the end of this year and in the year to come. So, very exciting.","topics_json":"[\"business\"]","vector_id":"vec_seg_98807_69","created_at":"2026-10-31T05:09:13Z","speaker_name":"Diane Laird"},{"id":"seg_98807_7","meeting_id":"98807","media_asset_id":"med_98807_fb4bb6dac6c4b7de","agenda_item_id":null,"speaker_id":"off_fred_a_neil","speaker_confidence":0.95,"start_sec":25.89,"end_sec":66.82,"text":"We now have before you the consent agenda. These are items on the consent agenda which are considered routine and non-controversial and will be acted upon by a single roll call vote of the council. There'll be no separate discussion of these items unless a member of the council so requests, in which event the matter shall be removed from the consent agenda and considered as a separate item. What is the pleasure of council?","topics_json":"[]","vector_id":"vec_seg_98807_7","created_at":"2026-10-31T05:09:13Z","speaker_name":"Fred A. Neil"},{"id":"seg_98807_70","meeting_id":"98807","media_asset_id":"med_98807_fb4bb6dac6c4b7de","agenda_item_id":null,"speaker_id":"spk_98807_diane_laird","speaker_confidence":0.9,"start_sec":1572.8,"end_sec":1712.6,"text":"Um, and then as we look on the horizon at 2026, uh we've talked about the mobility center, I've mentioned the wastewater and water improvements as well as ground-level improvements and enhancements to support uh vehicular calming and to increase pedest pedestrian activity, widened sidewalks to allow for seating on um on the on the sidewalk for restaurant seating, uh and more activation, more eyes on the street, another CPTED measure to ensure uh more eyes on the street to reduce crime. Um, The Governor, we talked about slightly, but the priority mixed-use redevelopment project, I've already mentioned uh what's going in there and what kind of funding we are looking at. I will just say that uh we're looking at right the end of the year or early next year. By this time next year, I anticipate that we'll have had a grand opening. We anticipate a 30-month build, and uh that project is on track. So, uh as I uh kind of wrap up, I want to um just mention that the uh capacity and restructuring of the DDP, I I brought this last year. We had some staffing changes, and we had some restructuring. We have not hired other than several contractors to uh complete specific subject matter uh work for us, uh such as uh working with the critical improvements program and ensuring that we have a good technical assistance for the people that want to make improvements to their buildings. We've had marketing assistance. We'll be launching a new website by the end of this week, and um we also have uh Ken Anderson, our our property uh direct real uh realm director. Did I say that right?","topics_json":"[\"budget\",\"business\",\"public_safety\"]","vector_id":"vec_seg_98807_70","created_at":"2026-10-31T05:09:13Z","speaker_name":"Diane Laird"},{"id":"seg_98807_71","meeting_id":"98807","media_asset_id":"med_98807_fb4bb6dac6c4b7de","agenda_item_id":null,"speaker_id":"spk_98807_unknown_speaker","speaker_confidence":0.6,"start_sec":1712.6,"end_sec":1713.4,"text":"Think great.","topics_json":"[]","vector_id":"vec_seg_98807_71","created_at":"2026-10-31T05:09:13Z","speaker_name":null},{"id":"seg_98807_72","meeting_id":"98807","media_asset_id":"med_98807_fb4bb6dac6c4b7de","agenda_item_id":null,"speaker_id":"spk_98807_diane_laird","speaker_confidence":0.9,"start_sec":1713.4,"end_sec":1769.4,"text":"It's a long title. But he's a big guy, so he can handle a big title. Anyway, that's an annual contract. We've been very careful not to incur more expenses than we can than we can uh hold up uh on in our in our budget. While we have quite a few funds coming in for projects and capital expenses, we do not have an overwhelming uh amount of operational funding, and so we've appreciated the $150,000 a year that the um City Council, and mayor, uh and uh manager uh have allotted us. I do have a letter to give to the city clerk tonight. Uh, we are requesting 175,000, a modest increase from the typical 150,000. We've been operating with uh in-house staff of 1.5 full-time people, so we have 1 and 1/2 people operating in-house, and we've been running strong. We've not compromised in quality or breadth of what we're doing, but we do need to hire. We've also hired uh the accounting firm. Uh, the city has provided for 30 years our accounting for our accounting needs, uh and we have uh contracted with Faw Casson this year. That's come at a cost of a minimum of $60,000, and we will have to have an audit, uh which is not something we've done previously, so we're we're hovering at $85,000 this year in this transition. And so, uh we do we do ask that you uh take seriously consideration on our request for $175,000. Uh, it is largely for","topics_json":"[\"budget\"]","vector_id":"vec_seg_98807_72","created_at":"2026-10-31T05:09:13Z","speaker_name":"Diane Laird"},{"id":"seg_98807_73","meeting_id":"98807","media_asset_id":"med_98807_fb4bb6dac6c4b7de","agenda_item_id":null,"speaker_id":"spk_98807_diane_laird","speaker_confidence":0.95,"start_sec":1769.4,"end_sec":1869.8,"text":"staff salary, but also for some of these required expenses that have not been, uh, to heretofore, part of DDP's operations. Um, I do want to mention just a couple of other things. Uh, let's see, state state bond funds. I didn't talk about that. 5 million state funds this year. We're seeking again, funding. We've got a little over 30 million. We've got big projects, one hovering at 23 million, another at 54 million. And so, we're, uh, you know, still still seeking funds, but we're, uh, well on our way. Uh, we also just learned of a $500,000, uh, federal appropriation that we've been awarded this year. We asked for 5 million. We got 500,000. And somebody reminded me, it's, you know, it's kind of an interesting day when we're a little disappointed in $500,000. So, that's still a really good a number. But we will continue to seek funding for project-specific elements","topics_json":"[\"budget\",\"business\"]","vector_id":"vec_seg_98807_73","created_at":"2026-10-31T05:09:13Z","speaker_name":"Diane Laird"},{"id":"seg_98807_74","meeting_id":"98807","media_asset_id":"med_98807_fb4bb6dac6c4b7de","agenda_item_id":null,"speaker_id":"spk_98807_diane_laird","speaker_confidence":0.95,"start_sec":1869.8,"end_sec":1910.1,"text":"or entire projects, and, uh, we're we're, um, we're very excited about that. The And I will emphasize again, private investment is occurring as a result of DDP taking the lead with the city and others to create a plan and start to implement it, because that builds confidence in in others to make investments, and we're seeing it happen. So, it is it it is a slow process, but it's happening. Uh, that kind of wraps up my points. If I can turn around and ask my colleagues if they have anything, Todd Stonesifer, board president, or Ken Anderson? Won't say it a long title again. Any comments? Todd, I know you have comments. See, you're, no, not saying anything. Ken, do you have any comments?","topics_json":"[\"budget\",\"business\"]","vector_id":"vec_seg_98807_74","created_at":"2026-10-31T05:09:13Z","speaker_name":"Diane Laird"},{"id":"seg_98807_75","meeting_id":"98807","media_asset_id":"med_98807_fb4bb6dac6c4b7de","agenda_item_id":null,"speaker_id":"spk_98807_the_redevelopment_implementation","speaker_confidence":0.95,"start_sec":1910.1,"end_sec":1911.5,"text":"I'll say something.","topics_json":"[]","vector_id":"vec_seg_98807_75","created_at":"2026-10-31T05:09:13Z","speaker_name":"the Redevelopment Implementation"},{"id":"seg_98807_76","meeting_id":"98807","media_asset_id":"med_98807_fb4bb6dac6c4b7de","agenda_item_id":null,"speaker_id":"spk_98807_diane_laird","speaker_confidence":0.95,"start_sec":1911.5,"end_sec":1920.7,"text":"All right. Will you come on up? My colleague Ken Anderson, Property Development Director, or he may he may say, Property Implementation Director, I'm not sure. I'll let you say it.","topics_json":"[]","vector_id":"vec_seg_98807_76","created_at":"2026-10-31T05:09:13Z","speaker_name":"Diane Laird"},{"id":"seg_98807_77","meeting_id":"98807","media_asset_id":"med_98807_fb4bb6dac6c4b7de","agenda_item_id":null,"speaker_id":"spk_98807_the_redevelopment_implementation","speaker_confidence":0.95,"start_sec":1920.7,"end_sec":1951.6,"text":"Hi, Ken Anderson. I'm the Redevelopment Implementation Director. I was the Property Development Director for the last year and a half. I just want to encourage everybody, um, Diane mentioned about an impending, um, lease as a part of the mobility center. You know, a lot of a lot of uh cities build infrastructure similar to the mobility center. They build hotels, and one of the most difficult things for them to, um, accomplish is to get a tenant.","topics_json":"[\"business\"]","vector_id":"vec_seg_98807_77","created_at":"2026-10-31T05:09:13Z","speaker_name":"the Redevelopment Implementation"},{"id":"seg_98807_78","meeting_id":"98807","media_asset_id":"med_98807_fb4bb6dac6c4b7de","agenda_item_id":null,"speaker_id":"spk_98807_the_redevelopment_implementation","speaker_confidence":0.95,"start_sec":1951.6,"end_sec":1966,"text":"Well, we can be encouraged that people outside this room are so encouraged by what they see happening in the city of Dover, with all our other challenges, that they were willing, and is not a done deal, it's like 99.9%, willing to pursue a process with us to sign up for a tenant space in a building that isn't even built yet. 85 employees. I think that bodes well for the perception of the city of Dover by people who work in the city of Dover, who may not necessarily live in Dover. I think we can all be encouraged by that.","topics_json":"[\"business\"]","vector_id":"vec_seg_98807_78","created_at":"2026-10-31T05:09:13Z","speaker_name":"the Redevelopment Implementation"},{"id":"seg_98807_79","meeting_id":"98807","media_asset_id":"med_98807_fb4bb6dac6c4b7de","agenda_item_id":null,"speaker_id":"spk_98807_diane_laird","speaker_confidence":0.95,"start_sec":1966,"end_sec":1966,"text":"Thank you Ken, and Todd, Todd's our our volunteer board president, and as I've said before, there's always one person in a city or town, a volunteer, that leads the effort, and without whom, uh, the efforts wouldn't be wouldn't be nearly where they are.","topics_json":"[\"business\"]","vector_id":"vec_seg_98807_79","created_at":"2026-10-31T05:09:13Z","speaker_name":"Diane Laird"},{"id":"seg_98807_8","meeting_id":"98807","media_asset_id":"med_98807_fb4bb6dac6c4b7de","agenda_item_id":null,"speaker_id":"off_tricia_k_arndt","speaker_confidence":0.95,"start_sec":66.82,"end_sec":68.24,"text":"I move to adopt the consent agenda.","topics_json":"[]","vector_id":"vec_seg_98807_8","created_at":"2026-10-31T05:09:13Z","speaker_name":"Tricia K. 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Uh thank you for the opportunity, and thank you for your support.","topics_json":"[\"business\"]","vector_id":"vec_seg_98807_80","created_at":"2026-10-31T05:09:13Z","speaker_name":"Todd Stonesifer"},{"id":"seg_98807_81","meeting_id":"98807","media_asset_id":"med_98807_fb4bb6dac6c4b7de","agenda_item_id":null,"speaker_id":"off_fred_a_neil","speaker_confidence":0.95,"start_sec":2003.69,"end_sec":2009.49,"text":"I'm going to open it up with one question. You're not looking for $175,000 tonight, are you?","topics_json":"[\"budget\"]","vector_id":"vec_seg_98807_81","created_at":"2026-10-31T05:09:13Z","speaker_name":"Fred A. Neil"},{"id":"seg_98807_82","meeting_id":"98807","media_asset_id":"med_98807_fb4bb6dac6c4b7de","agenda_item_id":null,"speaker_id":"spk_98807_diane_laird","speaker_confidence":0.95,"start_sec":2009.49,"end_sec":2013.29,"text":"No, not not this evening. Just a letter tonight.","topics_json":"[\"budget\"]","vector_id":"vec_seg_98807_82","created_at":"2026-10-31T05:09:13Z","speaker_name":"Diane Laird"},{"id":"seg_98807_83","meeting_id":"98807","media_asset_id":"med_98807_fb4bb6dac6c4b7de","agenda_item_id":null,"speaker_id":"off_fred_a_neil","speaker_confidence":0.95,"start_sec":2013.29,"end_sec":2088.09,"text":"Okay, because we have a budget process. Some people don't understand that we have started a budget process which is a continual process, and that the give and take between the different departments and requests that are coming in. And periodically we will have another meeting uh for the the council uh in terms of where we are on the budget and then we'll continue on. So this is an ongoing thing from January 30th on down to to the time that we will actually have a final budget, but uh you're looking to have it included. 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Okay.","topics_json":"[\"budget\"]","vector_id":"vec_seg_98807_90","created_at":"2026-10-31T05:09:13Z","speaker_name":"Brian E. Lewis"},{"id":"seg_98807_91","meeting_id":"98807","media_asset_id":"med_98807_fb4bb6dac6c4b7de","agenda_item_id":null,"speaker_id":"spk_98807_diane_laird","speaker_confidence":0.95,"start_sec":2141.39,"end_sec":2144.19,"text":"It's prepared. We're ready to send it over to the auditor.","topics_json":"[\"budget\"]","vector_id":"vec_seg_98807_91","created_at":"2026-10-31T05:09:13Z","speaker_name":"Diane Laird"},{"id":"seg_98807_92","meeting_id":"98807","media_asset_id":"med_98807_fb4bb6dac6c4b7de","agenda_item_id":null,"speaker_id":"off_brian_e_lewis","speaker_confidence":0.95,"start_sec":2144.19,"end_sec":2148.99,"text":"Okay. Um, and uh that audit will be available uh to the public?","topics_json":"[\"budget\"]","vector_id":"vec_seg_98807_92","created_at":"2026-10-31T05:09:13Z","speaker_name":"Brian E. 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We've had over 20 applicants at the time, we've had probably eight finalize their projects, but we need to kind of broaden what we're considering critical, and that's why we're looking at restaurants, and even new construction as a possibility. But uh we've had to disallocate or unallocate, deallocate funding because the projects weren't moving ahead and we want to see change, and we want to be responsible with the funding.","topics_json":"[\"business\",\"budget\",\"zoning\"]","vector_id":"vec_seg_98807_97","created_at":"2026-10-31T05:09:13Z","speaker_name":"Diane Laird"},{"id":"seg_98807_98","meeting_id":"98807","media_asset_id":"med_98807_fb4bb6dac6c4b7de","agenda_item_id":null,"speaker_id":"spk_98807_todd_stonesifer","speaker_confidence":0.85,"start_sec":2234.49,"end_sec":2246.29,"text":"And it's important to note that this funding came from uh the State of Delaware through a bond program, and it has partic- partic- specific strings attached to it. So, what we can","topics_json":"[\"budget\"]","vector_id":"vec_seg_98807_98","created_at":"2026-10-31T05:09:13Z","speaker_name":"Todd Stonesifer"},{"id":"seg_98807_99","meeting_id":"98807","media_asset_id":"med_98807_fb4bb6dac6c4b7de","agenda_item_id":null,"speaker_id":"off_brian_e_lewis","speaker_confidence":0.95,"start_sec":2246.29,"end_sec":2247.89,"text":"Regulations.","topics_json":"[]","vector_id":"vec_seg_98807_99","created_at":"2026-10-31T05:09:13Z","speaker_name":"Brian E. Lewis"},{"id":"seg_98808_1","meeting_id":"98808","media_asset_id":"med_98808_0590be389b225186","agenda_item_id":null,"speaker_id":"off_fred_a_neil","speaker_confidence":0.95,"start_sec":2,"end_sec":19.4,"text":"I will now call to order the Council Committee of the Whole for Tuesday, March the 10th, 2026. I would like to remind the public that public comments are welcome on any item and will be permitted at the appropriate time. You have before you this evening's agenda, and I will entertain an a motion for its adoption.","topics_json":"[]","vector_id":"vec_seg_98808_1","created_at":"2026-10-31T05:35:54Z","speaker_name":"Fred A. Neil"},{"id":"seg_98808_10","meeting_id":"98808","media_asset_id":"med_98808_0590be389b225186","agenda_item_id":null,"speaker_id":"off_fred_a_neil","speaker_confidence":0.95,"start_sec":112.7,"end_sec":113.4,"text":"Yes.","topics_json":"[]","vector_id":"vec_seg_98808_10","created_at":"2026-10-31T05:35:54Z","speaker_name":"Fred A. Neil"},{"id":"seg_98808_100","meeting_id":"98808","media_asset_id":"med_98808_0590be389b225186","agenda_item_id":null,"speaker_id":"spk_98808_speaker_female_presenter","speaker_confidence":0.9,"start_sec":2039.98,"end_sec":2041.29,"text":"Yeah, that's my next one. Uh-huh, that was my next one.","topics_json":"[\"public_safety\",\"housing\"]","vector_id":"vec_seg_98808_100","created_at":"2026-10-31T05:35:54Z","speaker_name":null},{"id":"seg_98808_101","meeting_id":"98808","media_asset_id":"med_98808_0590be389b225186","agenda_item_id":null,"speaker_id":"off_andre_m_boggerty","speaker_confidence":0.9,"start_sec":2040.39,"end_sec":2040.83,"text":"Thank you, sir.","topics_json":"[]","vector_id":"vec_seg_98808_101","created_at":"2026-10-31T05:35:54Z","speaker_name":"Andre M. Boggerty"},{"id":"seg_98808_102","meeting_id":"98808","media_asset_id":"med_98808_0590be389b225186","agenda_item_id":null,"speaker_id":"spk_98808_speaker_female_presenter","speaker_confidence":0.9,"start_sec":2041.29,"end_sec":2101.98,"text":"So, again, when you look at studies on uh, tiny house communities versus homeless, uh, encampments, you don't find the safety issues, especially if they're home owners, that you would in a shelter, encampment, kind of uh, thing. And there have been no studies, and I actually do have statistics on it, just not in my head. Now, if you had sent me messages, we'd have great conversation, but there is no studies, and I pay attention to that because that is important. Because if you're going to, you know, buy something out of the ordinary, a tiny house, you want to know is it going to maintain the value, is it going to be suitable for me, am I going to be safe? So, the studies that I have, there's nothing that has correlated uh, a tiny house community, whether it's a 200 community or a 20 community, with uh, with negative safeties.","topics_json":"[\"public_safety\",\"housing\",\"homelessness\"]","vector_id":"vec_seg_98808_102","created_at":"2026-10-31T05:35:54Z","speaker_name":null},{"id":"seg_98808_103","meeting_id":"98808","media_asset_id":"med_98808_0590be389b225186","agenda_item_id":null,"speaker_id":"off_andre_m_boggerty","speaker_confidence":0.95,"start_sec":2101.98,"end_sec":2102.89,"text":"All right, chair, thank you.","topics_json":"[]","vector_id":"vec_seg_98808_103","created_at":"2026-10-31T05:35:54Z","speaker_name":"Andre M. Boggerty"},{"id":"seg_98808_104","meeting_id":"98808","media_asset_id":"med_98808_0590be389b225186","agenda_item_id":null,"speaker_id":"off_fred_a_neil","speaker_confidence":0.95,"start_sec":2102.89,"end_sec":2108.91,"text":"Um, all right, Mr. Chair. And uh, this gives me a chance to Yes, uh, Councilman Anderson, do you have a comment? If not, I'll take it. Okay.","topics_json":"[]","vector_id":"vec_seg_98808_104","created_at":"2026-10-31T05:35:54Z","speaker_name":"Fred A. Neil"},{"id":"seg_98808_105","meeting_id":"98808","media_asset_id":"med_98808_0590be389b225186","agenda_item_id":null,"speaker_id":"off_fred_a_neil","speaker_confidence":0.95,"start_sec":2108.91,"end_sec":2158.6,"text":"Uh, now, I you have to make this clear for me, cuz I've been living with Alice, to the chagrin of my wife, for a long, long time. And the definitions are, for me, I mean if if I have $100,000, I can find all kinds of affordable housing. And we're talking about very specifically low-income, workforce, fixed-income, people who don't have Alice, right? Which I know very well. The problem I have, and I don't know exactly where you fit in, because you're saying that you have these tiny, small houses for rent. Is this leased land? Or is this a straight-forward uh, rental?","topics_json":"[\"housing\"]","vector_id":"vec_seg_98808_105","created_at":"2026-10-31T05:35:54Z","speaker_name":"Fred A. Neil"},{"id":"seg_98808_106","meeting_id":"98808","media_asset_id":"med_98808_0590be389b225186","agenda_item_id":null,"speaker_id":"spk_98808_speaker_female_presenter","speaker_confidence":0.9,"start_sec":2158.6,"end_sec":2162.8,"text":"Believe it or, uh, you want me to answer that one right now or you want me to Okay, I'll do that one first. Super easy.","topics_json":"[\"housing\"]","vector_id":"vec_seg_98808_106","created_at":"2026-10-31T05:35:54Z","speaker_name":null},{"id":"seg_98808_107","meeting_id":"98808","media_asset_id":"med_98808_0590be389b225186","agenda_item_id":null,"speaker_id":"spk_98808_chunk12_speaker_1","speaker_confidence":0.85,"start_sec":2162.8,"end_sec":2173.02,"text":"And that third one was a guy that said, \"I don't know what to do with it.\" He heard me on the radio, he hooked up with me, and he's now our partner. We, he, we, our nonprofit bought it for a dollar.","topics_json":"[\"housing\"]","vector_id":"vec_seg_98808_107","created_at":"2026-10-31T05:35:54Z","speaker_name":null},{"id":"seg_98808_108","meeting_id":"98808","media_asset_id":"med_98808_0590be389b225186","agenda_item_id":null,"speaker_id":"off_fred_a_neil","speaker_confidence":1,"start_sec":2173.02,"end_sec":2176.45,"text":"All right. Okay. Now, who owns the land? Do you own the land?","topics_json":"[\"housing\"]","vector_id":"vec_seg_98808_108","created_at":"2026-10-31T05:35:54Z","speaker_name":"Fred A. Neil"},{"id":"seg_98808_109","meeting_id":"98808","media_asset_id":"med_98808_0590be389b225186","agenda_item_id":null,"speaker_id":"spk_98808_chunk12_speaker_1","speaker_confidence":0.85,"start_sec":2176.45,"end_sec":2177.83,"text":"The nonprofit owns the land.","topics_json":"[\"housing\"]","vector_id":"vec_seg_98808_109","created_at":"2026-10-31T05:35:54Z","speaker_name":null},{"id":"seg_98808_11","meeting_id":"98808","media_asset_id":"med_98808_0590be389b225186","agenda_item_id":null,"speaker_id":"off_gerald_l_rocha_sr","speaker_confidence":0.95,"start_sec":113.4,"end_sec":125,"text":"Can can we quiet the room please so I can hear the presentation? I'm just the getting up there in age and uh the extra conversation just creates a distraction for me, so I just... 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I mean, I, I've served on the task force, the legislative task force on housing, but the fact is the idea is, and a lot of these ideas that you put in is already in the mill because we have probably close to a 1,000 housing units that are going up in the city that are on the books now or coming on the books in different kinds of housing. Now, the problem is when you build this housing by a developer and they get to the point where they say, \"Uh, I want out. I want I want my bundle.\" So even though you've gotten the money from Fannie Mae, Freddie Mac, or any other source, and they say \"I want out\", what happens is the loan that the tenants are being paid off now come into the sale price and there's even higher payments that are happening to every single tenant who are now basically enslaved as long as they want to stay there—","topics_json":"[\"housing\"]","vector_id":"vec_seg_98808_112","created_at":"2026-10-31T05:35:54Z","speaker_name":"Fred A. 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And that basically is the understanding that any developer who comes in is entitled to make a profit. But at the point that they want to sell, they're going to have to sell to someone who is going to maintain the affordable housing.","topics_json":"[\"housing\"]","vector_id":"vec_seg_98808_116","created_at":"2026-10-31T05:35:54Z","speaker_name":"Fred A. 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So, while the idea is nice, like to have it, basically if we permit that we've just have the Edge, that's very close to the Speedway, 216 units, that's 216 units, but who can afford it? Now, I see—","topics_json":"[\"housing\"]","vector_id":"vec_seg_98808_118","created_at":"2026-10-31T05:35:54Z","speaker_name":"Fred A. Neil"},{"id":"seg_98808_119","meeting_id":"98808","media_asset_id":"med_98808_0590be389b225186","agenda_item_id":null,"speaker_id":"off_fred_a_neil","speaker_confidence":0.95,"start_sec":2359.42,"end_sec":2367.5,"text":"that they can't afford it. I think there there's no question about it. It's no secret. We all know that. It's no secret.","topics_json":"[\"housing\",\"taxes\"]","vector_id":"vec_seg_98808_119","created_at":"2026-10-31T05:35:54Z","speaker_name":"Fred A. 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And he said yeah low cost of living we didn't come here for that because your housing costs so much.","topics_json":"[\"housing\",\"business\"]","vector_id":"vec_seg_98808_120","created_at":"2026-10-31T05:35:54Z","speaker_name":"Fred A. Neil"},{"id":"seg_98808_121","meeting_id":"98808","media_asset_id":"med_98808_0590be389b225186","agenda_item_id":null,"speaker_id":"off_fred_a_neil","speaker_confidence":0.95,"start_sec":2380.26,"end_sec":2407.66,"text":"So obviously capitalism, if we had an overabundance would control a lot of it. We don't. We're 20,000 units short. So if Dover comes through with a thousand units, that's a thousand units less. We still have the problem. We cannot control the basis for affordable housing for the low-income, the so-called workforce income and the uh uh uh seniors who are retired on fixed income. That doesn't solve it.","topics_json":"[\"housing\"]","vector_id":"vec_seg_98808_121","created_at":"2026-10-31T05:35:54Z","speaker_name":"Fred A. Neil"},{"id":"seg_98808_122","meeting_id":"98808","media_asset_id":"med_98808_0590be389b225186","agenda_item_id":null,"speaker_id":"off_fred_a_neil","speaker_confidence":0.95,"start_sec":2407.66,"end_sec":2468.7,"text":"So whether your small houses solve it as long as you remain nonprofit and are going to do it uh well, but it's still a rental. At that point, they don't have a stake in that ground. At that point to say it's mine. If it's mine, that's a different story. It becomes a whole different thing, but it's not a lot, even though you put more on the same ground. And that's where we're failing to find affordable housing for this desperately needed group.","topics_json":"[\"housing\"]","vector_id":"vec_seg_98808_122","created_at":"2026-10-31T05:35:54Z","speaker_name":"Fred A. Neil"},{"id":"seg_98808_123","meeting_id":"98808","media_asset_id":"med_98808_0590be389b225186","agenda_item_id":null,"speaker_id":"off_fred_a_neil","speaker_confidence":0.95,"start_sec":2468.7,"end_sec":2480.18,"text":"Okay I'm going to yield on that in case anybody wants any making any other comment. And thank you for your presentation.","topics_json":"[\"housing\"]","vector_id":"vec_seg_98808_123","created_at":"2026-10-31T05:35:54Z","speaker_name":"Fred A. Neil"},{"id":"seg_98808_124","meeting_id":"98808","media_asset_id":"med_98808_0590be389b225186","agenda_item_id":null,"speaker_id":"spk_98808_presenting_speaker","speaker_confidence":0.9,"start_sec":2480.18,"end_sec":2484.06,"text":"Thank you very much for listening, and oh, good. Another question.","topics_json":"[\"housing\"]","vector_id":"vec_seg_98808_124","created_at":"2026-10-31T05:35:54Z","speaker_name":null},{"id":"seg_98808_125","meeting_id":"98808","media_asset_id":"med_98808_0590be389b225186","agenda_item_id":null,"speaker_id":"off_tricia_k_arndt","speaker_confidence":0.95,"start_sec":2484.46,"end_sec":2500.18,"text":"What type of housing are you building in Georgetown? Like, are there like, I grew up in a row home in Philadelphia, my first townhouse was in DE, what kind of housing are you building?","topics_json":"[\"housing\"]","vector_id":"vec_seg_98808_125","created_at":"2026-10-31T05:35:54Z","speaker_name":"Tricia K. Arndt"},{"id":"seg_98808_126","meeting_id":"98808","media_asset_id":"med_98808_0590be389b225186","agenda_item_id":null,"speaker_id":"spk_98808_presenting_speaker","speaker_confidence":0.9,"start_sec":2500.42,"end_sec":2556.04,"text":"Single units, and they're built on, on-site. And um there's another there's two other manufacturers that we use: Beracah for the modular homes because he can build like 12 in a row. That's 12 houses like in like within 60 days. And then there's The Great Outdoor Cottages, who is also a uh tiny, I don't want to say tiny home because um there's a definition of tiny home that's anything less than 399. So it's not the 200 square-foot house. So when I say tiny, it's anything under 400 square feet. So the ones in Georgetown are stick-built by a nonprofit developer for us.","topics_json":"[\"housing\"]","vector_id":"vec_seg_98808_126","created_at":"2026-10-31T05:35:54Z","speaker_name":null},{"id":"seg_98808_127","meeting_id":"98808","media_asset_id":"med_98808_0590be389b225186","agenda_item_id":null,"speaker_id":"spk_98808_presenter","speaker_confidence":0.9,"start_sec":2556.04,"end_sec":2608.34,"text":"Basically we were doing a carport, um, and there are the solar panels on top of that parking area. So, again, this is like There are so many different models, even models of who's going to own, who's going to maintain... There are so many different models out there that have been proven to to be good and to be not so good. So, um, so when when we look at a parcel of land, hmm, how big is it? Does it have infrastructure? Those are the two things. And then three is what can it sustain? Those are the things that we look at. And then, um, the the housing themselves, they're basically the same, you know, cookie-cutter kind of thing, although they do have some modifications. So everything that we build is different depending on the land, and I'm really excited to look at, um, the ones that are sitting there. Yep.","topics_json":"[\"housing\",\"zoning\"]","vector_id":"vec_seg_98808_127","created_at":"2026-10-31T05:35:54Z","speaker_name":null},{"id":"seg_98808_128","meeting_id":"98808","media_asset_id":"med_98808_0590be389b225186","agenda_item_id":null,"speaker_id":"spk_98808_council_member","speaker_confidence":0.7,"start_sec":2608.34,"end_sec":2608.94,"text":"Thank you.","topics_json":"[]","vector_id":"vec_seg_98808_128","created_at":"2026-10-31T05:35:54Z","speaker_name":null},{"id":"seg_98808_129","meeting_id":"98808","media_asset_id":"med_98808_0590be389b225186","agenda_item_id":null,"speaker_id":"spk_98808_presenter","speaker_confidence":0.9,"start_sec":2608.94,"end_sec":2609.64,"text":"You're welcome.","topics_json":"[]","vector_id":"vec_seg_98808_129","created_at":"2026-10-31T05:35:54Z","speaker_name":null},{"id":"seg_98808_13","meeting_id":"98808","media_asset_id":"med_98808_0590be389b225186","agenda_item_id":null,"speaker_id":"spk_98808_michelle_williams","speaker_confidence":0.95,"start_sec":131.2,"end_sec":196.6,"text":"Thank you. So my goal tonight is just to give an overview and uh suggest some ideas that have been working. So I'm not here to advocate for a particular policy. I just am here to share what I was asked to do about housing. So I do have slides. There we go. Thank you. So I'm on slide two. So here's the agenda. Basically, we're going to cover this in 15 minutes, and it's looking at baseline indicators to explain why affordability pressures, they show up before people fall into crisis. And this is the latest data, so if you look on the internet at um the uh Delaware State Housing Authority and look at their community uh assessment, they are it's from 2022. You are getting hot off the press. Next slide. This is what I call a universe of housing. And so when we take it from a big level of Kent County, you've got about 192,000 people in Kent County, and then when you bring it back down to Kent, you've got um about 38,000. That's population. And then there are, just a little tidbit for you, the average home has 2.3 people in it, but there for housing units, you've got about 16,500. That's important, because 92 of those are occupied. And then this again is on your handout, just in a little different form. So you out of that 92, 8% is vacant, which is a very low vacancy rate, and that's why you guys are starting to get a squeeze on it. So, we're definitely here in Dover a renters' majority market, and so uh the affordability pressures are starting to squeeze a lot harder. Uh next slide. So I'm sure you know what a cost burden is. If","topics_json":"[\"housing\"]","vector_id":"vec_seg_98808_13","created_at":"2026-10-31T05:35:54Z","speaker_name":"Michelle Williams"},{"id":"seg_98808_130","meeting_id":"98808","media_asset_id":"med_98808_0590be389b225186","agenda_item_id":null,"speaker_id":"off_fred_a_neil","speaker_confidence":0.95,"start_sec":2609.64,"end_sec":2611.44,"text":"Thank you. Thank you. Thank you.","topics_json":"[]","vector_id":"vec_seg_98808_130","created_at":"2026-10-31T05:35:54Z","speaker_name":"Fred A. Neil"},{"id":"seg_98808_131","meeting_id":"98808","media_asset_id":"med_98808_0590be389b225186","agenda_item_id":null,"speaker_id":"off_fred_a_neil","speaker_confidence":0.95,"start_sec":2611.44,"end_sec":2631.84,"text":"Our, uh, next presenter is the Springboard, uh, Delaware proposal to partner with the New City Church to create a facility with shelter and wrap-around services for homeless women and children. Dwight Osborne, pastor of the New City Church, and Judson Malone, executive director of New City Church Family Village. Please come forward. Welcome, sir.","topics_json":"[\"homelessness\",\"housing\"]","vector_id":"vec_seg_98808_131","created_at":"2026-10-31T05:35:54Z","speaker_name":"Fred A. 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The American Builders and Contractors Association came out and helped us assemble them in three days, 40 units. Uh, next slide. Other way. And one more. And so, as you can see, uh, it's a community effort. Uh, everyone rallied around the idea, uh, to give people a very simple thing: a safe place to live while they look for permanent housing, because without the Pallet Village, their only other choice was the encampments in the woods around. So this project came as a direct response to a rising homeless population and what do we do about it. Next slide. It was well-publicized and in and by January of 20 23, uh, we were open for business. Um, within a week, we were 100% capacity, 40 cabins. This is what's called a low-barrier shelter, and we allow couples to live together or singles. The cabin is only 64 ft.² I was listening to the conversation earlier about how we all got used to smaller places to live, but 64 ft.², my God, they are just transforming their spaces. It is so incredibly important to them that they can lock their door, they can get a restful night's sleep, they're in a protected community because it's fenced and nobody gets in that doesn't that doesn't belong there, 24/7 support. Uh, we learned at from studying other pallet villages across the country, and we experienced it in Georgetown, that within a couple of weeks, someone who had been homeless for a decade...","topics_json":"[\"homelessness\",\"housing\"]","vector_id":"vec_seg_98808_132","created_at":"2026-10-31T05:35:54Z","speaker_name":"Judson Malone"},{"id":"seg_98808_133","meeting_id":"98808","media_asset_id":"med_98808_0590be389b225186","agenda_item_id":null,"speaker_id":"spk_98808_judson_malone","speaker_confidence":0.95,"start_sec":2752.66,"end_sec":2759.53,"text":"And when you see them after a week or two into this trauma-reducing environment, their posture changes, their attitude changes, and they have hope.","topics_json":"[\"homelessness\",\"housing\"]","vector_id":"vec_seg_98808_133","created_at":"2026-10-31T05:35:54Z","speaker_name":"Judson Malone"},{"id":"seg_98808_134","meeting_id":"98808","media_asset_id":"med_98808_0590be389b225186","agenda_item_id":null,"speaker_id":"spk_98808_judson_malone","speaker_confidence":0.95,"start_sec":2759.53,"end_sec":2771.94,"text":"Next slide. Oh, well you can't read that. Skip that one. So, you can't read this either, but basically, it's trying to say we've got a lot of success stories. People become homeless for a lot of different reasons, and they find their way out by going different paths, but they make it.","topics_json":"[\"homelessness\",\"housing\"]","vector_id":"vec_seg_98808_134","created_at":"2026-10-31T05:35:54Z","speaker_name":"Judson Malone"},{"id":"seg_98808_135","meeting_id":"98808","media_asset_id":"med_98808_0590be389b225186","agenda_item_id":null,"speaker_id":"spk_98808_judson_malone","speaker_confidence":0.95,"start_sec":2771.94,"end_sec":2781.16,"text":"Since we've opened, we've served 220 people, and about 40% of those have made their way into permanent housing. Only about less than 10% gravitated back to rough living in the woods.","topics_json":"[\"homelessness\",\"housing\"]","vector_id":"vec_seg_98808_135","created_at":"2026-10-31T05:35:54Z","speaker_name":"Judson Malone"},{"id":"seg_98808_136","meeting_id":"98808","media_asset_id":"med_98808_0590be389b225186","agenda_item_id":null,"speaker_id":"spk_98808_judson_malone","speaker_confidence":0.95,"start_sec":2781.16,"end_sec":2797.2,"text":"Next slide. Next slide. We've done some creative things. We started a healing arts program. Gentleman on top, John, is a resident. We implemented something we call the resident steward program. We actually have them doing some work in the village in lieu of us hiring staff or security contractors.","topics_json":"[\"homelessness\",\"housing\"]","vector_id":"vec_seg_98808_136","created_at":"2026-10-31T05:35:54Z","speaker_name":"Judson Malone"},{"id":"seg_98808_137","meeting_id":"98808","media_asset_id":"med_98808_0590be389b225186","agenda_item_id":null,"speaker_id":"spk_98808_judson_malone","speaker_confidence":0.95,"start_sec":2797.2,"end_sec":2848.58,"text":"Sarah, they're going on for a job as a resident steward. And Jan was one of our earliest participants, and she was one of the worst cases. She was an alcoholic, she loved to party hard, but she was very smart. And she you know, she was really you know, it was it was dragging her back. She couldn't get past this, you know, but she finally did. But it took two or three tries. She had to go to for for treatment multiple times, but we never gave up on her.","topics_json":"[\"homelessness\",\"housing\"]","vector_id":"vec_seg_98808_137","created_at":"2026-10-31T05:35:54Z","speaker_name":"Judson Malone"},{"id":"seg_98808_138","meeting_id":"98808","media_asset_id":"med_98808_0590be389b225186","agenda_item_id":null,"speaker_id":"spk_98808_judson_malone","speaker_confidence":0.95,"start_sec":2848.58,"end_sec":2856.08,"text":"The point I'm trying to make is the whole model is not around just finding a place for them to stay. It is finding a place to stay where the support is there. Next slide.","topics_json":"[\"homelessness\",\"housing\"]","vector_id":"vec_seg_98808_138","created_at":"2026-10-31T05:35:54Z","speaker_name":"Judson Malone"},{"id":"seg_98808_139","meeting_id":"98808","media_asset_id":"med_98808_0590be389b225186","agenda_item_id":null,"speaker_id":"spk_98808_judson_malone","speaker_confidence":0.95,"start_sec":2856.08,"end_sec":2914.42,"text":"All right. Again, kind of an eye chart, but we we focus on partnerships. We are not a a lone ranger nonprofit trying to solve all problems. We're doing just the opposite. Our corporate name is The Springboard Collaborative. We shorten that to Springboard Delaware as a brand name, but the idea is you know, it takes it takes a village. It takes collaboration, and we have formal relationships with healthcare organizations, medical treatment organizations, banks. They come in and they come on-site and on a weekly basis, and they provide services. Next slide.","topics_json":"[\"homelessness\",\"housing\"]","vector_id":"vec_seg_98808_139","created_at":"2026-10-31T05:35:54Z","speaker_name":"Judson Malone"},{"id":"seg_98808_14","meeting_id":"98808","media_asset_id":"med_98808_0590be389b225186","agenda_item_id":null,"speaker_id":"spk_98808_presenter","speaker_confidence":0.85,"start_sec":196.62,"end_sec":214.78,"text":"If you pay more than 30% of your income on housing, you are cost-burdened. If you pay more than 50, you are severely uh cost-burdened. And what we see in Dover is that over 50% of of uh renters are cost-burdened. That's a lot. So, that is more than the average in Delaware and as well as Sussex County. Uh next slide.","topics_json":"[\"housing\",\"budget\"]","vector_id":"vec_seg_98808_14","created_at":"2026-10-31T05:35:54Z","speaker_name":null},{"id":"seg_98808_140","meeting_id":"98808","media_asset_id":"med_98808_0590be389b225186","agenda_item_id":null,"speaker_id":"spk_98808_judson_malone","speaker_confidence":0.95,"start_sec":2914.42,"end_sec":2923.9,"text":"You'll be able to look at the numbers up close, but that's the budget summary. By the way, stop me if I'm going too fast. I know I got too many slides for a short presentation, so I'm trying to stay on stay on time. But I don't mind being interrupted.","topics_json":"[\"budget\"]","vector_id":"vec_seg_98808_140","created_at":"2026-10-31T05:35:54Z","speaker_name":"Judson Malone"},{"id":"seg_98808_141","meeting_id":"98808","media_asset_id":"med_98808_0590be389b225186","agenda_item_id":null,"speaker_id":"spk_98808_judson_malone","speaker_confidence":0.95,"start_sec":2923.9,"end_sec":2934.41,"text":"So we have strong relationships with community partners, with faith-based partners, and other foundations. We are entering into a phase of sustainability where we are reaching out to the state to fund operations.","topics_json":"[\"budget\",\"housing\",\"homelessness\"]","vector_id":"vec_seg_98808_141","created_at":"2026-10-31T05:35:54Z","speaker_name":"Judson Malone"},{"id":"seg_98808_142","meeting_id":"98808","media_asset_id":"med_98808_0590be389b225186","agenda_item_id":null,"speaker_id":"spk_98808_judson_malone","speaker_confidence":0.95,"start_sec":2934.41,"end_sec":2949.28,"text":"You may not be aware of this, but the the Division of Health and Social Services has a what's called DSAMH, it's Substance Abuse and Mental Health Division, and they specialize in serving populations that have those issues. They do it through contractors, typically nonprofit contractors, and they fully fund operations for multiple years.","topics_json":"[\"budget\",\"homelessness\",\"housing\"]","vector_id":"vec_seg_98808_142","created_at":"2026-10-31T05:35:54Z","speaker_name":"Judson Malone"},{"id":"seg_98808_143","meeting_id":"98808","media_asset_id":"med_98808_0590be389b225186","agenda_item_id":null,"speaker_id":"spk_98808_judson_malone","speaker_confidence":0.95,"start_sec":2949.28,"end_sec":2949.28,"text":"We are pushing for them to adopt that model to fund interim housing. What we're determined to do is never come to a municipality and say, sorry, but you got to pay the budget to keep it running. Because we our our understanding of the way Delaware is built financially, that just doesn't doesn't work. The state does help. 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We do not mandate immediately that they go to treatment.","topics_json":"[\"homelessness\",\"housing\"]","vector_id":"vec_seg_98808_147","created_at":"2026-10-31T05:35:54Z","speaker_name":"Judson Malone"},{"id":"seg_98808_148","meeting_id":"98808","media_asset_id":"med_98808_0590be389b225186","agenda_item_id":null,"speaker_id":"spk_98808_judson_malone","speaker_confidence":0.9,"start_sec":3002.88,"end_sec":3015.78,"text":"What we do instead is we reduce their trauma, case manage and interview with them, talk about their life, talk about, you know, their issues. What is keeping you being homeless? Think about it, tell us. We're not here to judge you.","topics_json":"[\"homelessness\",\"housing\"]","vector_id":"vec_seg_98808_148","created_at":"2026-10-31T05:35:54Z","speaker_name":"Judson Malone"},{"id":"seg_98808_149","meeting_id":"98808","media_asset_id":"med_98808_0590be389b225186","agenda_item_id":null,"speaker_id":"spk_98808_judson_malone","speaker_confidence":0.9,"start_sec":3015.78,"end_sec":3023.48,"text":"When we first opened, we had 40 people come in, and within 2 weeks we had 10 or 12 that were already deciding to go for treatment. It works.","topics_json":"[\"homelessness\",\"housing\"]","vector_id":"vec_seg_98808_149","created_at":"2026-10-31T05:35:54Z","speaker_name":"Judson Malone"},{"id":"seg_98808_15","meeting_id":"98808","media_asset_id":"med_98808_0590be389b225186","agenda_item_id":null,"speaker_id":"spk_98808_presenter","speaker_confidence":0.85,"start_sec":214.93,"end_sec":278.19,"text":"Now, I'm going to zoom a little bit further and look at renters alone. When you consider the renters and their income bracket, you can see that the cost comparison is pretty much the same across the uh the areas. But when you look at um Kent County, which is considered Dover um MSA, you are looking at um it's the same source, the same data from the other slide previous, and now you have this one. But even the small percentages difference in just hundreds of households, in Kent, you have 45% of housing that is not cost-burdened, while 28 are cost-burdened, and 22% are severely cost-burdened renters. And so when we see these numbers, who are we talking about? Like real families who are stretching their budgets. Uh next slide.","topics_json":"[\"housing\",\"budget\"]","vector_id":"vec_seg_98808_15","created_at":"2026-10-31T05:35:54Z","speaker_name":null},{"id":"seg_98808_150","meeting_id":"98808","media_asset_id":"med_98808_0590be389b225186","agenda_item_id":null,"speaker_id":"spk_98808_judson_malone","speaker_confidence":0.9,"start_sec":3023.48,"end_sec":3034.58,"text":"If you insist that they be clean and sober in order to get shelter, they will lie to you, because they're desperate. And so you're still not And and now you have a situation where you can't honestly talk to them to help them get better.","topics_json":"[\"homelessness\",\"housing\"]","vector_id":"vec_seg_98808_150","created_at":"2026-10-31T05:35:54Z","speaker_name":"Judson Malone"},{"id":"seg_98808_151","meeting_id":"98808","media_asset_id":"med_98808_0590be389b225186","agenda_item_id":null,"speaker_id":"spk_98808_judson_malone","speaker_confidence":0.9,"start_sec":3034.58,"end_sec":3045.88,"text":"Next slide, please. Oh, go go back to the previous one. We uh we were asking uh Dr. Pillsbury, we were asking Looking at row houses? It kind of looks like row houses, doesn't it? That's our new product line. Uh, next slide.","topics_json":"[\"housing\"]","vector_id":"vec_seg_98808_151","created_at":"2026-10-31T05:35:54Z","speaker_name":"Judson Malone"},{"id":"seg_98808_152","meeting_id":"98808","media_asset_id":"med_98808_0590be389b225186","agenda_item_id":null,"speaker_id":"spk_98808_judson_malone","speaker_confidence":0.9,"start_sec":3045.88,"end_sec":3070.78,"text":"Okay, this is just making the point about wraparound services. Uh, that we There's a whole compendium. There's uh something called a self-sufficiency matrix, which basically looks at a person, encourages them to look at their life and and and a whole You know, the the domains of health, housing, uh education, uh family connections. We get them to talk about all of that, to help them understand how did you get to be homeless and how can we get you out of it? Next slide.","topics_json":"[\"homelessness\",\"housing\"]","vector_id":"vec_seg_98808_152","created_at":"2026-10-31T05:35:54Z","speaker_name":"Judson Malone"},{"id":"seg_98808_153","meeting_id":"98808","media_asset_id":"med_98808_0590be389b225186","agenda_item_id":null,"speaker_id":"spk_98808_judson_malone","speaker_confidence":0.9,"start_sec":3070.78,"end_sec":3091.38,"text":"Uh, Great Outdoor Cottages, that name came up with Michelle. Um, we are partnering with them for this new line of interim housing. So it's a It's a cottage Tiny home chassis, but purpose-built structure on top for different purposes. Uh, we have rooms for sleeping, we have rooms for uh for shower, we have rooms for education even, we have videoconferencing, telehealth.","topics_json":"[\"housing\",\"homelessness\"]","vector_id":"vec_seg_98808_153","created_at":"2026-10-31T05:35:54Z","speaker_name":"Judson Malone"},{"id":"seg_98808_154","meeting_id":"98808","media_asset_id":"med_98808_0590be389b225186","agenda_item_id":null,"speaker_id":"spk_98808_judson_malone","speaker_confidence":0.9,"start_sec":3091.38,"end_sec":3111.28,"text":"Uh, we've designed all the components of a supportive community in the form of 10x40-foot boxes. And we flow them into a site. It's significant. Uh, we don't need much land. You know, it's uh it's very compact. Uh, next slide.","topics_json":"[\"housing\",\"homelessness\"]","vector_id":"vec_seg_98808_154","created_at":"2026-10-31T05:35:54Z","speaker_name":"Judson Malone"},{"id":"seg_98808_155","meeting_id":"98808","media_asset_id":"med_98808_0590be389b225186","agenda_item_id":null,"speaker_id":"spk_98808_judson_malone","speaker_confidence":0.9,"start_sec":3111.28,"end_sec":3126.58,"text":"We have designed these to be rapidly deployable, and we've designed these to be only there at a particular location on an interim basis, and when the need for them uh um reduces or goes away, they can be removed.","topics_json":"[\"housing\",\"homelessness\"]","vector_id":"vec_seg_98808_155","created_at":"2026-10-31T05:35:54Z","speaker_name":"Judson Malone"},{"id":"seg_98808_156","meeting_id":"98808","media_asset_id":"med_98808_0590be389b225186","agenda_item_id":null,"speaker_id":"spk_98808_judson_malone","speaker_confidence":0.9,"start_sec":3126.58,"end_sec":3145.88,"text":"So it's very important to realize that we're not proposing to build permanent shelters. We're not proposing to build even permanent houses. We're proposing to build interim housing villages that will address a chronic problem immediately, giving time for for homes to get built that they can afford to move into. Next slide.","topics_json":"[\"housing\",\"homelessness\"]","vector_id":"vec_seg_98808_156","created_at":"2026-10-31T05:35:54Z","speaker_name":"Judson Malone"},{"id":"seg_98808_157","meeting_id":"98808","media_asset_id":"med_98808_0590be389b225186","agenda_item_id":null,"speaker_id":"spk_98808_presenter","speaker_confidence":0.85,"start_sec":3145.9,"end_sec":3198.95,"text":"Okay. Our partner in this, proposed partner, we've got an MOU with the with the new city. It's not an ironclad. It is a I call it a baby-step MOU. Let's partner together and go out and see what we can do. And if there's if there's a willingness to go forward, we'll go forward. If there's not, we'll draw back. But right now we are moving forward. We have uh we're we're we realize uh that very important and I know you guys have every council in the state has been through some pretty rough meetings with the public. And they do not like surprises. And we are not proposing to surprise anybody. We are have already been exploratory. I've got to go back and get an actual appointment, but I've been to the Safeway store, I've been to the Target store, we're meeting with the mosque tomorrow, we're going to do a door-knock around the neighborhood. Nobody's going to be surprised. And we're prepared to answer any and all questions and fears and concerns and address them honestly. Next slide. So now you look Let's go ahead. I'm sorry, I can't recognize you. The chair has to.","topics_json":"[\"homelessness\",\"housing\"]","vector_id":"vec_seg_98808_157","created_at":"2026-10-31T05:35:54Z","speaker_name":null},{"id":"seg_98808_158","meeting_id":"98808","media_asset_id":"med_98808_0590be389b225186","agenda_item_id":null,"speaker_id":"spk_98808_council_president_committee_chair","speaker_confidence":0.7,"start_sec":3201.5,"end_sec":3203.07,"text":"Councilman Boggerty.","topics_json":"[]","vector_id":"vec_seg_98808_158","created_at":"2026-10-31T05:35:54Z","speaker_name":null},{"id":"seg_98808_159","meeting_id":"98808","media_asset_id":"med_98808_0590be389b225186","agenda_item_id":null,"speaker_id":"off_andre_m_boggerty","speaker_confidence":0.95,"start_sec":3203.07,"end_sec":3262.38,"text":"Thank you. Thank you. Um, a few, thank you for that, and we've had tindall, but um, again, for for the record and clarity, uh, there are two, two, maybe two and a half things I want to ask about this particular model. What does your utility function look like? And what does fire and safety function look like?","topics_json":"[\"housing\",\"public_safety\"]","vector_id":"vec_seg_98808_159","created_at":"2026-10-31T05:35:54Z","speaker_name":"Andre M. Boggerty"},{"id":"seg_98808_16","meeting_id":"98808","media_asset_id":"med_98808_0590be389b225186","agenda_item_id":null,"speaker_id":"spk_98808_presenter","speaker_confidence":0.85,"start_sec":278.48,"end_sec":344,"text":"So, this is interesting because this shows that you have owners and renters, and you can see from the left that the area median income for Dover is about $71,000, $78,000, and you can see that the incomes for the people with mortgages compared to the people that are not that are renters, you can see the income disparity right there. So, there's no big surprise that when you go to the left or the right side of the the chart, the fair market rate for a two-bedroom apartment is about just shy of $1,500. And so, next time when you're at the hospital or getting something for dinner, have a conversation with the person that is serving you about housing. Where do you live? How far do you have to drive? That's an eye-opener when you go and you're sitting, getting your blood drawn. Yes, sir.","topics_json":"[\"housing\",\"budget\"]","vector_id":"vec_seg_98808_16","created_at":"2026-10-31T05:35:54Z","speaker_name":null},{"id":"seg_98808_160","meeting_id":"98808","media_asset_id":"med_98808_0590be389b225186","agenda_item_id":null,"speaker_id":"spk_98808_presenter","speaker_confidence":0.85,"start_sec":3262.38,"end_sec":3302.78,"text":"Okay. We have entered into a um an agreement with um DBF in Milford. They're a design, architect, surveyor, engineering firm and we're we will be shortly engineering how that would look. But our goal is to make it as minimal impact as possible so that when we leave, it's pristine again. We don't know exactly how that will unfold, but it's a very firm goal. And the reason I say that is our experience in Georgetown was never to do it that way again. We dug up a lot of ground and not not really meaning to the way we did it. Uh, and we also chose a site that wasn't near didn't have the infrastructure as close by as it should have been. So we've gotten very cognizant of that, um, but my goal is uh that when we leave, the site is like it was.","topics_json":"[\"housing\",\"zoning\"]","vector_id":"vec_seg_98808_160","created_at":"2026-10-31T05:35:54Z","speaker_name":null},{"id":"seg_98808_161","meeting_id":"98808","media_asset_id":"med_98808_0590be389b225186","agenda_item_id":null,"speaker_id":"off_andre_m_boggerty","speaker_confidence":0.95,"start_sec":3302.78,"end_sec":3321.66,"text":"I I just want to clarify, for example, those size homes, um, those size dwelling places, homes, um, is there going to be somebody's home, what does they, you had community showers and restrooms, how does you how does, like, restrooms and showering work in the in a in a","topics_json":"[\"housing\",\"homelessness\"]","vector_id":"vec_seg_98808_161","created_at":"2026-10-31T05:35:54Z","speaker_name":"Andre M. 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And it so it'd be right there on site.","topics_json":"[\"housing\",\"homelessness\"]","vector_id":"vec_seg_98808_162","created_at":"2026-10-31T05:35:54Z","speaker_name":null},{"id":"seg_98808_163","meeting_id":"98808","media_asset_id":"med_98808_0590be389b225186","agenda_item_id":null,"speaker_id":"off_andre_m_boggerty","speaker_confidence":0.95,"start_sec":3341.86,"end_sec":3342.5,"text":"And and","topics_json":"[\"housing\"]","vector_id":"vec_seg_98808_163","created_at":"2026-10-31T05:35:54Z","speaker_name":"Andre M. Boggerty"},{"id":"seg_98808_164","meeting_id":"98808","media_asset_id":"med_98808_0590be389b225186","agenda_item_id":null,"speaker_id":"spk_98808_unknown_speaker","speaker_confidence":0.6,"start_sec":3342.51,"end_sec":3345.06,"text":"...how does that how does that take place?","topics_json":"[\"homelessness\",\"housing\"]","vector_id":"vec_seg_98808_164","created_at":"2026-10-31T05:35:54Z","speaker_name":null},{"id":"seg_98808_165","meeting_id":"98808","media_asset_id":"med_98808_0590be389b225186","agenda_item_id":null,"speaker_id":"spk_98808_jim_martin","speaker_confidence":0.9,"start_sec":3345.06,"end_sec":3368.1,"text":"We are actually looking at two potential populations. One potential population is the adult homeless and the other is women with children or families with children. They do represent decidedly different profiles and you have different safety concerns when you have them. But in either case it will be a perimeter fence and controlled access. That is why in Georgetown nobody locks their bike up, because nobody gets in there that doesn't belong. And there's somebody, we call it the Welcome Center. It's front, it's very front and center. You don't get in there until you come through the Welcome Center, and you don't go further than the Welcome Center unless you belong there or unless you have a reason to visit. So it's very tightly controlled.","topics_json":"[\"homelessness\",\"housing\",\"public_safety\"]","vector_id":"vec_seg_98808_165","created_at":"2026-10-31T05:35:54Z","speaker_name":"Jim Martin"},{"id":"seg_98808_166","meeting_id":"98808","media_asset_id":"med_98808_0590be389b225186","agenda_item_id":null,"speaker_id":"spk_98808_unknown_speaker","speaker_confidence":0.6,"start_sec":3368.1,"end_sec":3369.28,"text":"Thank you for that. Chair, I yield.","topics_json":"[]","vector_id":"vec_seg_98808_166","created_at":"2026-10-31T05:35:54Z","speaker_name":null},{"id":"seg_98808_167","meeting_id":"98808","media_asset_id":"med_98808_0590be389b225186","agenda_item_id":null,"speaker_id":"off_roy_sudler_jr","speaker_confidence":0.85,"start_sec":3369.28,"end_sec":3370.08,"text":"Thank you. Please continue.","topics_json":"[]","vector_id":"vec_seg_98808_167","created_at":"2026-10-31T05:35:54Z","speaker_name":"Roy Sudler, Jr."},{"id":"seg_98808_168","meeting_id":"98808","media_asset_id":"med_98808_0590be389b225186","agenda_item_id":null,"speaker_id":"spk_98808_jim_martin","speaker_confidence":0.9,"start_sec":3370.08,"end_sec":3421.32,"text":"Okay. Uh so you can kind of get an idea that it's got a very minimal footprint. Uh the church has been a wonderful partner and they've been very proactive um and uh supportive. So next slide. One of them changed. Uh this just gives you a more uh a zoomed-out look uh where its location is and then one more slide to give you another zoomed-out look. Oh no it has where the utilities are. Uh that was one of the first things I looked for when I started looking at that site. Okay I'm I'm not going to do like I did in Georgetown again. So um so that's very very good. Um next slide. One more. Okay. Let's go back for a moment and let's talk about the conversation that Michelle was sharing about housing shortage.","topics_json":"[\"homelessness\",\"housing\"]","vector_id":"vec_seg_98808_168","created_at":"2026-10-31T05:35:54Z","speaker_name":"Jim Martin"},{"id":"seg_98808_169","meeting_id":"98808","media_asset_id":"med_98808_0590be389b225186","agenda_item_id":null,"speaker_id":"off_brian_e_lewis","speaker_confidence":0.95,"start_sec":3421.32,"end_sec":3422.93,"text":"Can I just interrupt you for a minute? Chair?","topics_json":"[]","vector_id":"vec_seg_98808_169","created_at":"2026-10-31T05:35:54Z","speaker_name":"Brian E. Lewis"},{"id":"seg_98808_17","meeting_id":"98808","media_asset_id":"med_98808_0590be389b225186","agenda_item_id":null,"speaker_id":"off_fred_a_neil","speaker_confidence":0.85,"start_sec":344,"end_sec":344.91,"text":"Yes, Councilman.","topics_json":"[\"housing\"]","vector_id":"vec_seg_98808_17","created_at":"2026-10-31T05:35:54Z","speaker_name":"Fred A. Neil"},{"id":"seg_98808_170","meeting_id":"98808","media_asset_id":"med_98808_0590be389b225186","agenda_item_id":null,"speaker_id":"off_roy_sudler_jr","speaker_confidence":0.85,"start_sec":3422.93,"end_sec":3423.99,"text":"Yes. Mr. Lewis.","topics_json":"[]","vector_id":"vec_seg_98808_170","created_at":"2026-10-31T05:35:54Z","speaker_name":"Roy Sudler, Jr."},{"id":"seg_98808_171","meeting_id":"98808","media_asset_id":"med_98808_0590be389b225186","agenda_item_id":null,"speaker_id":"off_brian_e_lewis","speaker_confidence":0.95,"start_sec":3423.99,"end_sec":3469.2,"text":"Mr. Chair, um this is actually in my district, the second district, where you intend to implement this project. Um I have a couple questions and my first one is, um how do you intend to get the community to buy into this? Because uh where you intend to place these, you have Clearview Meadow development. Um and if they don't, and I suggest that you, you know you said you were going to go around with with flyers and, you know, talk to the community, you may want to um make an appointment to address their homeowners association...","topics_json":"[\"homelessness\",\"housing\",\"zoning\"]","vector_id":"vec_seg_98808_171","created_at":"2026-10-31T05:35:54Z","speaker_name":"Brian E. 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But over time, we realized that treat these people with some respect, they are...","topics_json":"[\"homelessness\",\"housing\",\"public_safety\"]","vector_id":"vec_seg_98808_178","created_at":"2026-10-31T05:35:54Z","speaker_name":"Jim Martin"},{"id":"seg_98808_179","meeting_id":"98808","media_asset_id":"med_98808_0590be389b225186","agenda_item_id":null,"speaker_id":"spk_98808_presenter","speaker_confidence":0.9,"start_sec":3539.13,"end_sec":3573.93,"text":"take ownership of this community. We're not having to protect against them, we're trying to protect them. And so we have a resident steward program that has replaced $200,000 worth of personnel cost. We pay them a stipend. I talked earlier about being low-barrier, but we do expect if you're going to be a resident steward, you got to you have to progress. And part of that progression is to be clean and sober and be willing to be tested. But they are invested, and they do a good job. And there's somebody in that Welcome Center 24 hours a day, 7 days a week.","topics_json":"[\"homelessness\",\"housing\",\"public_safety\"]","vector_id":"vec_seg_98808_179","created_at":"2026-10-31T05:35:54Z","speaker_name":null},{"id":"seg_98808_18","meeting_id":"98808","media_asset_id":"med_98808_0590be389b225186","agenda_item_id":null,"speaker_id":"off_andre_m_boggerty","speaker_confidence":0.9,"start_sec":344.91,"end_sec":348.71,"text":"I just wanted to ask a question. Thank you. Um, when you say the median income—","topics_json":"[\"housing\",\"budget\"]","vector_id":"vec_seg_98808_18","created_at":"2026-10-31T05:35:54Z","speaker_name":"Andre M. Boggerty"},{"id":"seg_98808_180","meeting_id":"98808","media_asset_id":"med_98808_0590be389b225186","agenda_item_id":null,"speaker_id":"off_brian_e_lewis","speaker_confidence":0.95,"start_sec":3573.93,"end_sec":3581.23,"text":"Okay. Also, and I'm sure you're aware, you have Luther Village over there, which is a senior citizen community,","topics_json":"[\"homelessness\",\"housing\"]","vector_id":"vec_seg_98808_180","created_at":"2026-10-31T05:35:54Z","speaker_name":"Brian E. Lewis"},{"id":"seg_98808_181","meeting_id":"98808","media_asset_id":"med_98808_0590be389b225186","agenda_item_id":null,"speaker_id":"spk_98808_presenter","speaker_confidence":0.9,"start_sec":3581.23,"end_sec":3581.93,"text":"Yes.","topics_json":"[\"homelessness\"]","vector_id":"vec_seg_98808_181","created_at":"2026-10-31T05:35:54Z","speaker_name":null},{"id":"seg_98808_182","meeting_id":"98808","media_asset_id":"med_98808_0590be389b225186","agenda_item_id":null,"speaker_id":"off_brian_e_lewis","speaker_confidence":0.95,"start_sec":3581.93,"end_sec":3587.83,"text":"which is in close proximity across the street. That means that you're going to have to get those residents to buy into this, too.","topics_json":"[\"homelessness\",\"housing\"]","vector_id":"vec_seg_98808_182","created_at":"2026-10-31T05:35:54Z","speaker_name":"Brian E. Lewis"},{"id":"seg_98808_183","meeting_id":"98808","media_asset_id":"med_98808_0590be389b225186","agenda_item_id":null,"speaker_id":"spk_98808_presenter","speaker_confidence":0.9,"start_sec":3587.83,"end_sec":3588.63,"text":"Yes.","topics_json":"[\"homelessness\"]","vector_id":"vec_seg_98808_183","created_at":"2026-10-31T05:35:54Z","speaker_name":null},{"id":"seg_98808_184","meeting_id":"98808","media_asset_id":"med_98808_0590be389b225186","agenda_item_id":null,"speaker_id":"off_brian_e_lewis","speaker_confidence":0.95,"start_sec":3588.63,"end_sec":3598.33,"text":"Yeah, and my final question right now, because I'm sure I'll have more questions, is what if it don't work? Then what do you intend to do?","topics_json":"[\"homelessness\"]","vector_id":"vec_seg_98808_184","created_at":"2026-10-31T05:35:54Z","speaker_name":"Brian E. Lewis"},{"id":"seg_98808_185","meeting_id":"98808","media_asset_id":"med_98808_0590be389b225186","agenda_item_id":null,"speaker_id":"spk_98808_presenter","speaker_confidence":0.9,"start_sec":3598.33,"end_sec":3599.63,"text":"Pack up and go home.","topics_json":"[\"homelessness\"]","vector_id":"vec_seg_98808_185","created_at":"2026-10-31T05:35:54Z","speaker_name":null},{"id":"seg_98808_186","meeting_id":"98808","media_asset_id":"med_98808_0590be389b225186","agenda_item_id":null,"speaker_id":"off_brian_e_lewis","speaker_confidence":0.95,"start_sec":3599.63,"end_sec":3602.43,"text":"Pack up and go home. Okay.","topics_json":"[\"homelessness\"]","vector_id":"vec_seg_98808_186","created_at":"2026-10-31T05:35:54Z","speaker_name":"Brian E. Lewis"},{"id":"seg_98808_187","meeting_id":"98808","media_asset_id":"med_98808_0590be389b225186","agenda_item_id":null,"speaker_id":"spk_98808_presenter","speaker_confidence":0.9,"start_sec":3602.43,"end_sec":3673.83,"text":"Right. We're asking for a reasonable expectation of what constitutes success. We're prepared to sign a license contractor agreement with the city. It says we commit to all the we'll give you a complete operations plan for the village that you get to approve, and you get to oversee. And so if we fall behind something, you have remedy. That that's the way we'd like to approach it. But if we get to a year or 2 years or 4 years, and we do by the way pay attention to all our metrics and our outcomes, and if and if we're not measuring up, you know, it's it's your right to send us out of town.","topics_json":"[\"homelessness\",\"housing\"]","vector_id":"vec_seg_98808_187","created_at":"2026-10-31T05:35:54Z","speaker_name":null},{"id":"seg_98808_188","meeting_id":"98808","media_asset_id":"med_98808_0590be389b225186","agenda_item_id":null,"speaker_id":"off_brian_e_lewis","speaker_confidence":0.95,"start_sec":3673.83,"end_sec":3680.13,"text":"I think a major question that's going to come up by a lot of residents over there, because they're my constituents-","topics_json":"[\"homelessness\"]","vector_id":"vec_seg_98808_188","created_at":"2026-10-31T05:35:54Z","speaker_name":"Brian E. 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Lewis"},{"id":"seg_98808_193","meeting_id":"98808","media_asset_id":"med_98808_0590be389b225186","agenda_item_id":null,"speaker_id":"spk_98808_presenter","speaker_confidence":0.9,"start_sec":3688.43,"end_sec":3735.75,"text":"Yes. Yes. That's what I was saying earlier. It is completely fence well, it's already partially fenced in. But we're going to complete, and it's the only way in is through what I call the Welcome Center. But the rest of it is is fenced. You can't get through it. And, like we did in Georgetown, we we put cameras out on the street.","topics_json":"[\"homelessness\",\"public_safety\"]","vector_id":"vec_seg_98808_193","created_at":"2026-10-31T05:35:54Z","speaker_name":null},{"id":"seg_98808_194","meeting_id":"98808","media_asset_id":"med_98808_0590be389b225186","agenda_item_id":null,"speaker_id":"off_brian_e_lewis","speaker_confidence":0.95,"start_sec":3735.75,"end_sec":3735.75,"text":"Okay. Thank you for answering my questions. We'll definitely be having a further dialogue. Okay, thank you. That's all I have right now.","topics_json":"[\"homelessness\"]","vector_id":"vec_seg_98808_194","created_at":"2026-10-31T05:35:54Z","speaker_name":"Brian E. Lewis"},{"id":"seg_98808_195","meeting_id":"98808","media_asset_id":"med_98808_0590be389b225186","agenda_item_id":null,"speaker_id":"spk_98808_presenter","speaker_confidence":0.9,"start_sec":3735.75,"end_sec":3735.75,"text":"So speed, and and this is not just for this particular site, our goal is we think this is a humane and practical solution to a statewide problem of homelessness. And so we've spent 3 years trying to evolve this model into something that can be repeatable, auditable, and accountable, and to be able to build it efficiently and quickly. And so that's why we the the use of land uh in in Georgetown, the First State Community Action Agency, that's their headquarters, we're on their property. A very nominal rent. Uh here, uh New City Church, we're on their property. They are the landlord. We've been very careful though, operationally, this is not a church operation. Uh we we we encourage them to give spiritual guidance, and and but but for a lot of reasons, it can't be too hung up in it, you know? Uh so, but we're going to be very responsive to that congregation as well as the surrounding neighborhood. But again, uh land is is the key. Uh for one thing,","topics_json":"[\"homelessness\",\"housing\"]","vector_id":"vec_seg_98808_195","created_at":"2026-10-31T05:35:54Z","speaker_name":null},{"id":"seg_98808_196","meeting_id":"98808","media_asset_id":"med_98808_0590be389b225186","agenda_item_id":null,"speaker_id":"spk_98808_presenter","speaker_confidence":0.9,"start_sec":3735.75,"end_sec":3744.49,"text":"And the other is, as I said, rapid deployment and rapid relocation if things don't go well or if things went incredibly well because if we have enough housing now, they don't need another housing spot. Go ahead.","topics_json":"[\"housing\",\"homelessness\"]","vector_id":"vec_seg_98808_196","created_at":"2026-10-31T05:35:54Z","speaker_name":null},{"id":"seg_98808_197","meeting_id":"98808","media_asset_id":"med_98808_0590be389b225186","agenda_item_id":null,"speaker_id":"spk_98808_presenter","speaker_confidence":0.9,"start_sec":3744.49,"end_sec":3753.38,"text":"Next slide please. You can read, hopefully, on your, if you have this in your inbox, you can see the idea of a very purpose-built almost Lego block method of putting these components on site. Next slide.","topics_json":"[\"housing\"]","vector_id":"vec_seg_98808_197","created_at":"2026-10-31T05:35:54Z","speaker_name":null},{"id":"seg_98808_198","meeting_id":"98808","media_asset_id":"med_98808_0590be389b225186","agenda_item_id":null,"speaker_id":"spk_98808_presenter","speaker_confidence":0.9,"start_sec":3753.38,"end_sec":3768.31,"text":"Again, we're going to have, and we're talking about, I think you were talking about someone about the visuals, if people need to see something. We will shortly have, these are kind of examples, but we'll have better examples to give you a real, full idea of once we finally design the layout, you'll be able to see what it, and the community will be able to see what it looks like. Next slide.","topics_json":"[\"housing\"]","vector_id":"vec_seg_98808_198","created_at":"2026-10-31T05:35:54Z","speaker_name":null},{"id":"seg_98808_199","meeting_id":"98808","media_asset_id":"med_98808_0590be389b225186","agenda_item_id":null,"speaker_id":"spk_98808_presenter","speaker_confidence":0.9,"start_sec":3768.31,"end_sec":3828.37,"text":"So that's kind of it in a nutshell. We, the reason we think that it is so critical because Michelle did a great overview of the housing continuum and the reasons things are so expensive. And what we have found is the reason for increasing homelessness is tied into that same dynamic. It is not an epidemic of mental health, it is not an epidemic of substance use that would cause more people to become homeless. True, if you look at a case-by-case, case-by-case basis, you'll find incredibly heart-wrenching stories, but also incredible stories that they overcame it. But that's not the reason you keep seeing more and more homeless. The reason you see more and more homeless is the price of, of course, the price place to live.","topics_json":"[\"homelessness\",\"housing\"]","vector_id":"vec_seg_98808_199","created_at":"2026-10-31T05:35:54Z","speaker_name":null},{"id":"seg_98808_2","meeting_id":"98808","media_asset_id":"med_98808_0590be389b225186","agenda_item_id":null,"speaker_id":"off_julia_m_pillsbury","speaker_confidence":0.95,"start_sec":19.4,"end_sec":22,"text":"Pillsbury moves to adopt the agenda.","topics_json":"[]","vector_id":"vec_seg_98808_2","created_at":"2026-10-31T05:35:54Z","speaker_name":"Julia M. Pillsbury"},{"id":"seg_98808_20","meeting_id":"98808","media_asset_id":"med_98808_0590be389b225186","agenda_item_id":null,"speaker_id":"off_andre_m_boggerty","speaker_confidence":0.9,"start_sec":349.56,"end_sec":358.49,"text":"I'm sorry. I was so engaged. [laughter] I'm moving in. Uh, when you say the median income for owner, you're saying $93,000 and a $100,000, is that a household, or is that a person?","topics_json":"[\"housing\",\"budget\"]","vector_id":"vec_seg_98808_20","created_at":"2026-10-31T05:35:54Z","speaker_name":"Andre M. Boggerty"},{"id":"seg_98808_200","meeting_id":"98808","media_asset_id":"med_98808_0590be389b225186","agenda_item_id":null,"speaker_id":"off_andre_m_boggerty","speaker_confidence":0.85,"start_sec":3828.37,"end_sec":3828.73,"text":"Roof.","topics_json":"[\"housing\"]","vector_id":"vec_seg_98808_200","created_at":"2026-10-31T05:35:54Z","speaker_name":"Andre M. Boggerty"},{"id":"seg_98808_201","meeting_id":"98808","media_asset_id":"med_98808_0590be389b225186","agenda_item_id":null,"speaker_id":"spk_98808_presenter","speaker_confidence":0.9,"start_sec":3828.73,"end_sec":3836.12,"text":"Your homeless rate, any community's homeless rate will go up when rents go up. There was a study of the Point-in-Time count nationally and they looked at Detroit and they looked at San Francisco, I'm looking at you.","topics_json":"[\"housing\",\"homelessness\"]","vector_id":"vec_seg_98808_201","created_at":"2026-10-31T05:35:54Z","speaker_name":null},{"id":"seg_98808_202","meeting_id":"98808","media_asset_id":"med_98808_0590be389b225186","agenda_item_id":null,"speaker_id":"spk_98808_presenter","speaker_confidence":0.9,"start_sec":3836.12,"end_sec":3843.59,"text":"Why does Detroit have five times less homeless than San Francisco? Well, Detroit, it's not exactly a blessing, but you've got a lot of affordable housing stock.","topics_json":"[\"housing\",\"homelessness\"]","vector_id":"vec_seg_98808_202","created_at":"2026-10-31T05:35:54Z","speaker_name":null},{"id":"seg_98808_203","meeting_id":"98808","media_asset_id":"med_98808_0590be389b225186","agenda_item_id":null,"speaker_id":"off_andre_m_boggerty","speaker_confidence":0.9,"start_sec":3843.59,"end_sec":3845.65,"text":"It is a major blessing.","topics_json":"[\"housing\"]","vector_id":"vec_seg_98808_203","created_at":"2026-10-31T05:35:54Z","speaker_name":"Andre M. Boggerty"},{"id":"seg_98808_204","meeting_id":"98808","media_asset_id":"med_98808_0590be389b225186","agenda_item_id":null,"speaker_id":"spk_98808_presenter","speaker_confidence":0.9,"start_sec":3845.65,"end_sec":3895.12,"text":"And San Francisco, some of the highest rents in the country. And there's a five times delta in the amount of homeless. And they said, and it repeats itself at county level, municipality level, across the country. It's a constant. So what we keep hearing is, \"Oh my God, if you provide services to these people, they'll just bring more.\" That's not a factor. The factor is they got no place to live, but they are much more local than you think they are.","topics_json":"[\"homelessness\",\"housing\"]","vector_id":"vec_seg_98808_204","created_at":"2026-10-31T05:35:54Z","speaker_name":null},{"id":"seg_98808_205","meeting_id":"98808","media_asset_id":"med_98808_0590be389b225186","agenda_item_id":null,"speaker_id":"spk_98808_presenter","speaker_confidence":0.85,"start_sec":3895.12,"end_sec":3897.18,"text":"So, I think I might have a request.","topics_json":"[]","vector_id":"vec_seg_98808_205","created_at":"2026-10-31T05:35:54Z","speaker_name":null},{"id":"seg_98808_206","meeting_id":"98808","media_asset_id":"med_98808_0590be389b225186","agenda_item_id":null,"speaker_id":"off_fred_a_neil","speaker_confidence":0.95,"start_sec":3897.18,"end_sec":3898.32,"text":"Councilwoman Arndt.","topics_json":"[]","vector_id":"vec_seg_98808_206","created_at":"2026-10-31T05:35:54Z","speaker_name":"Fred A. 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Um, the length of time that folks stay in these shelters?","topics_json":"[\"housing\",\"homelessness\",\"planning\"]","vector_id":"vec_seg_98808_212","created_at":"2026-10-31T05:35:54Z","speaker_name":"Tricia K. Arndt"},{"id":"seg_98808_213","meeting_id":"98808","media_asset_id":"med_98808_0590be389b225186","agenda_item_id":null,"speaker_id":"spk_98808_judson_malone","speaker_confidence":0.9,"start_sec":3963.01,"end_sec":3965.57,"text":"Programmatically, it's 24 months, but the average is about 4 to 6.","topics_json":"[\"housing\",\"homelessness\"]","vector_id":"vec_seg_98808_213","created_at":"2026-10-31T05:35:54Z","speaker_name":"Judson Malone"},{"id":"seg_98808_214","meeting_id":"98808","media_asset_id":"med_98808_0590be389b225186","agenda_item_id":null,"speaker_id":"off_tricia_k_arndt","speaker_confidence":0.95,"start_sec":3965.57,"end_sec":3970.26,"text":"Okay, thank you. Um, and when you say programmatically, um, folks are living elsewhere, but still coming in to take advantage—","topics_json":"[\"housing\",\"homelessness\"]","vector_id":"vec_seg_98808_214","created_at":"2026-10-31T05:35:54Z","speaker_name":"Tricia K. Arndt"},{"id":"seg_98808_215","meeting_id":"98808","media_asset_id":"med_98808_0590be389b225186","agenda_item_id":null,"speaker_id":"spk_98808_judson_malone","speaker_confidence":0.9,"start_sec":3970.26,"end_sec":3973.31,"text":"When I say programmatically, it's our our our operational contract—","topics_json":"[\"housing\",\"homelessness\"]","vector_id":"vec_seg_98808_215","created_at":"2026-10-31T05:35:54Z","speaker_name":"Judson Malone"},{"id":"seg_98808_216","meeting_id":"98808","media_asset_id":"med_98808_0590be389b225186","agenda_item_id":null,"speaker_id":"off_tricia_k_arndt","speaker_confidence":0.95,"start_sec":3973.31,"end_sec":3973.67,"text":"Okay.","topics_json":"[\"housing\",\"homelessness\"]","vector_id":"vec_seg_98808_216","created_at":"2026-10-31T05:35:54Z","speaker_name":"Tricia K. 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Arndt"},{"id":"seg_98808_219","meeting_id":"98808","media_asset_id":"med_98808_0590be389b225186","agenda_item_id":null,"speaker_id":"spk_98808_judson_malone","speaker_confidence":0.9,"start_sec":3975.38,"end_sec":4011.56,"text":"Okay, but we we don't we don't say, \"Hey, relax, live here for 24 months.\" We say, \"You're on schedule.\" We we do insist on a housing plan, and we do insist on an income and jobs plan.","topics_json":"[\"housing\",\"homelessness\"]","vector_id":"vec_seg_98808_219","created_at":"2026-10-31T05:35:54Z","speaker_name":"Judson Malone"},{"id":"seg_98808_22","meeting_id":"98808","media_asset_id":"med_98808_0590be389b225186","agenda_item_id":null,"speaker_id":"off_andre_m_boggerty","speaker_confidence":0.9,"start_sec":374.59,"end_sec":375.27,"text":"Per person?","topics_json":"[\"housing\",\"budget\"]","vector_id":"vec_seg_98808_22","created_at":"2026-10-31T05:35:54Z","speaker_name":"Andre M. Boggerty"},{"id":"seg_98808_220","meeting_id":"98808","media_asset_id":"med_98808_0590be389b225186","agenda_item_id":null,"speaker_id":"off_tricia_k_arndt","speaker_confidence":0.95,"start_sec":4011.56,"end_sec":4012.13,"text":"Okay.","topics_json":"[\"housing\",\"homelessness\"]","vector_id":"vec_seg_98808_220","created_at":"2026-10-31T05:35:54Z","speaker_name":"Tricia K. Arndt"},{"id":"seg_98808_221","meeting_id":"98808","media_asset_id":"med_98808_0590be389b225186","agenda_item_id":null,"speaker_id":"spk_98808_judson_malone","speaker_confidence":0.9,"start_sec":4012.13,"end_sec":4020.87,"text":"We leave it up to them about the other issues of health and with encouragement, and that's very effective. But no bones about it, if you come into this program, you need to be ready to change your life, and you need to be able to accept help, and we need to be able to work with you.","topics_json":"[\"housing\",\"homelessness\"]","vector_id":"vec_seg_98808_221","created_at":"2026-10-31T05:35:54Z","speaker_name":"Judson Malone"},{"id":"seg_98808_222","meeting_id":"98808","media_asset_id":"med_98808_0590be389b225186","agenda_item_id":null,"speaker_id":"off_tricia_k_arndt","speaker_confidence":0.95,"start_sec":4020.87,"end_sec":4022.72,"text":"So the average length of stay was 4 months?","topics_json":"[\"housing\",\"homelessness\"]","vector_id":"vec_seg_98808_222","created_at":"2026-10-31T05:35:54Z","speaker_name":"Tricia K. Arndt"},{"id":"seg_98808_223","meeting_id":"98808","media_asset_id":"med_98808_0590be389b225186","agenda_item_id":null,"speaker_id":"spk_98808_judson_malone","speaker_confidence":0.9,"start_sec":4022.72,"end_sec":4023.29,"text":"Yeah.","topics_json":"[\"housing\",\"homelessness\"]","vector_id":"vec_seg_98808_223","created_at":"2026-10-31T05:35:54Z","speaker_name":"Judson Malone"},{"id":"seg_98808_224","meeting_id":"98808","media_asset_id":"med_98808_0590be389b225186","agenda_item_id":null,"speaker_id":"off_tricia_k_arndt","speaker_confidence":0.95,"start_sec":4023.29,"end_sec":4028.9,"text":"Okay, thank you. Um, and then after that 4 months, where do they go? Because Ms. Williams has indicated that there are very limited options for where they can go.","topics_json":"[\"housing\",\"homelessness\"]","vector_id":"vec_seg_98808_224","created_at":"2026-10-31T05:35:54Z","speaker_name":"Tricia K. Arndt"},{"id":"seg_98808_225","meeting_id":"98808","media_asset_id":"med_98808_0590be389b225186","agenda_item_id":null,"speaker_id":"spk_98808_judson_malone","speaker_confidence":0.9,"start_sec":4028.9,"end_sec":4039.99,"text":"Right now, about 40% do find their way into a permanent living situation. Uh, I may have to ask Trish to help me some other destinations, but basically some have to go to higher-level care, uh some move out-state, and about less than 10% just say, \"Nope, I'm going back to the woods.\"","topics_json":"[\"housing\",\"homelessness\"]","vector_id":"vec_seg_98808_225","created_at":"2026-10-31T05:35:54Z","speaker_name":"Judson Malone"},{"id":"seg_98808_226","meeting_id":"98808","media_asset_id":"med_98808_0590be389b225186","agenda_item_id":null,"speaker_id":"off_tricia_k_arndt","speaker_confidence":0.95,"start_sec":4039.99,"end_sec":4041.34,"text":"Gotcha. 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Uh, but we'll also carry liability insurance as Springboard as well.","topics_json":"[\"housing\",\"homelessness\"]","vector_id":"vec_seg_98808_228","created_at":"2026-10-31T05:35:55Z","speaker_name":"Judson Malone"},{"id":"seg_98808_229","meeting_id":"98808","media_asset_id":"med_98808_0590be389b225186","agenda_item_id":null,"speaker_id":"spk_98808_judson_malone","speaker_confidence":0.9,"start_sec":4098.35,"end_sec":4112.36,"text":"Um, so we understand there's a lot to be said for it to be an adult population because, by my estimate, the Target store and shrinkage probably loses a million dollars a year. And that's just looking at chain store averages across the country. Uh, that they got a right to be upset.","topics_json":"[\"business\",\"public_safety\",\"homelessness\"]","vector_id":"vec_seg_98808_229","created_at":"2026-10-31T05:35:55Z","speaker_name":"Judson Malone"},{"id":"seg_98808_23","meeting_id":"98808","media_asset_id":"med_98808_0590be389b225186","agenda_item_id":null,"speaker_id":"spk_98808_presenter","speaker_confidence":0.85,"start_sec":375.27,"end_sec":387.2,"text":"Yes, the median. So, you can see that the income, when you look at owners versus renters, how high that median is. So, the the second uh block there, you can see that renters are only making uh 48,794.","topics_json":"[\"housing\",\"budget\"]","vector_id":"vec_seg_98808_23","created_at":"2026-10-31T05:35:54Z","speaker_name":null},{"id":"seg_98808_230","meeting_id":"98808","media_asset_id":"med_98808_0590be389b225186","agenda_item_id":null,"speaker_id":"spk_98808_judson_malone","speaker_confidence":0.9,"start_sec":4112.36,"end_sec":4123.3,"text":"But we we should not allow them to to not realize that we're trying to give them a solution. If we go with an adult population, that's probably the very population that's in there stealing now. Um, and we're not promising you that it will that we will solve their problem entirely, but I think we will impact it dramatically.","topics_json":"[\"business\",\"public_safety\",\"homelessness\"]","vector_id":"vec_seg_98808_230","created_at":"2026-10-31T05:35:55Z","speaker_name":"Judson Malone"},{"id":"seg_98808_231","meeting_id":"98808","media_asset_id":"med_98808_0590be389b225186","agenda_item_id":null,"speaker_id":"spk_98808_judson_malone","speaker_confidence":0.9,"start_sec":4123.3,"end_sec":4128.99,"text":"Going with families, they're probably not the ones in there causing the problem in the stores, but they're they're they're desperate and they're barely—","topics_json":"[\"housing\",\"homelessness\"]","vector_id":"vec_seg_98808_231","created_at":"2026-10-31T05:35:55Z","speaker_name":"Judson Malone"},{"id":"seg_98808_232","meeting_id":"98808","media_asset_id":"med_98808_0590be389b225186","agenda_item_id":null,"speaker_id":"spk_98808_presenter","speaker_confidence":0.9,"start_sec":4128.99,"end_sec":4141.32,"text":"the options. So we see the benefit of going one or the other and we're looking for guidance as to what the community wants, what the church wants, what the council wants. And we'll we'll go with the flow in terms of the population that makes the most sense.","topics_json":"[\"homelessness\",\"housing\"]","vector_id":"vec_seg_98808_232","created_at":"2026-10-31T05:35:55Z","speaker_name":null},{"id":"seg_98808_233","meeting_id":"98808","media_asset_id":"med_98808_0590be389b225186","agenda_item_id":null,"speaker_id":"off_tricia_k_arndt","speaker_confidence":0.95,"start_sec":4141.64,"end_sec":4147.05,"text":"Thank you. And just reading between the lines, I assume you've had the conversation with Target and they are not supportive of this project?","topics_json":"[\"business\",\"homelessness\"]","vector_id":"vec_seg_98808_233","created_at":"2026-10-31T05:35:55Z","speaker_name":"Tricia K. Arndt"},{"id":"seg_98808_234","meeting_id":"98808","media_asset_id":"med_98808_0590be389b225186","agenda_item_id":null,"speaker_id":"spk_98808_presenter","speaker_confidence":0.9,"start_sec":4147.56,"end_sec":4153.86,"text":"Uh it's been reported to me that they're not supportive. But I don't know they even understood what the project was.","topics_json":"[\"business\",\"homelessness\"]","vector_id":"vec_seg_98808_234","created_at":"2026-10-31T05:35:55Z","speaker_name":null},{"id":"seg_98808_235","meeting_id":"98808","media_asset_id":"med_98808_0590be389b225186","agenda_item_id":null,"speaker_id":"spk_98808_presenter","speaker_confidence":0.9,"start_sec":4154.74,"end_sec":4162.3,"text":"Uh I did go in there uh on a cold call to see who I could talk to, and I am going to go back and if I can get in touch with a manager and sit down.","topics_json":"[\"business\",\"homelessness\"]","vector_id":"vec_seg_98808_235","created_at":"2026-10-31T05:35:55Z","speaker_name":null},{"id":"seg_98808_236","meeting_id":"98808","media_asset_id":"med_98808_0590be389b225186","agenda_item_id":null,"speaker_id":"spk_98808_presenter","speaker_confidence":0.9,"start_sec":4162.69,"end_sec":4175.42,"text":"But I said, you know, \"What's going on here?\" And they said, \"Well, you know, we had to lock down the men's uh clothing department, we had to lock down the cosmetics, they're stealing high-value items.\" They do have a problem. And we're we're sensitive to that.","topics_json":"[\"public_safety\",\"business\"]","vector_id":"vec_seg_98808_236","created_at":"2026-10-31T05:35:55Z","speaker_name":null},{"id":"seg_98808_237","meeting_id":"98808","media_asset_id":"med_98808_0590be389b225186","agenda_item_id":null,"speaker_id":"off_tricia_k_arndt","speaker_confidence":0.95,"start_sec":4175.69,"end_sec":4180.51,"text":"And don't misunderstand, I was not suggesting that that was a deterrent and a decision factor for council. I was just","topics_json":"[\"homelessness\"]","vector_id":"vec_seg_98808_237","created_at":"2026-10-31T05:35:55Z","speaker_name":"Tricia K. 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We don't have uh magic bullet answer that this is the one population it should be. We see there's a reason and a need for all. We can't do all, so we got to make a choice. But we want input. We want that to be a partnership with the city, with the church, with the community.","topics_json":"[\"housing\",\"homelessness\"]","vector_id":"vec_seg_98808_244","created_at":"2026-10-31T05:35:55Z","speaker_name":null},{"id":"seg_98808_245","meeting_id":"98808","media_asset_id":"med_98808_0590be389b225186","agenda_item_id":null,"speaker_id":"off_julia_m_pillsbury","speaker_confidence":0.95,"start_sec":4236.96,"end_sec":4260.24,"text":"The reason I'm asking is apparently there are very, very, very limited resources for intact homeless families. And they get separated. 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If it's just adults, we'll do like we did in Georgetown. There's there's a communal shower a bathhouse.","topics_json":"[\"housing\",\"homelessness\"]","vector_id":"vec_seg_98808_248","created_at":"2026-10-31T05:35:55Z","speaker_name":null},{"id":"seg_98808_249","meeting_id":"98808","media_asset_id":"med_98808_0590be389b225186","agenda_item_id":null,"speaker_id":"spk_98808_presenter","speaker_confidence":0.9,"start_sec":4274.85,"end_sec":4298.57,"text":"If we have families, we'll go what's called en suite. And we'll take and that's an example of it right there. It's a duplex on on wheels. But now the bathroom is right there in the apartment because, you know, we're not gonna you got two kids, and one's three years old, and we just had 10-degree weather, and you've got to go outside your cabin to go to the bathroom. 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Thank you.","topics_json":"[\"housing\"]","vector_id":"vec_seg_98808_25","created_at":"2026-10-31T05:35:54Z","speaker_name":null},{"id":"seg_98808_250","meeting_id":"98808","media_asset_id":"med_98808_0590be389b225186","agenda_item_id":null,"speaker_id":"spk_98808_presenter","speaker_confidence":0.9,"start_sec":4298.99,"end_sec":4306.29,"text":"So So it's I I guess I'm I'm I'm giving you not a decisive answer, I'm giving you a responsibility to help us make the right decision.","topics_json":"[\"housing\",\"homelessness\"]","vector_id":"vec_seg_98808_250","created_at":"2026-10-31T05:35:55Z","speaker_name":null},{"id":"seg_98808_251","meeting_id":"98808","media_asset_id":"med_98808_0590be389b225186","agenda_item_id":null,"speaker_id":"off_julia_m_pillsbury","speaker_confidence":0.95,"start_sec":4306.36,"end_sec":4307.68,"text":"Thank you.","topics_json":"[]","vector_id":"vec_seg_98808_251","created_at":"2026-10-31T05:35:55Z","speaker_name":"Julia M. Pillsbury"},{"id":"seg_98808_252","meeting_id":"98808","media_asset_id":"med_98808_0590be389b225186","agenda_item_id":null,"speaker_id":"off_fred_a_neil","speaker_confidence":0.95,"start_sec":4308.34,"end_sec":4311.19,"text":"Uh any other questions? Yes, Councilman Anderson.","topics_json":"[]","vector_id":"vec_seg_98808_252","created_at":"2026-10-31T05:35:55Z","speaker_name":"Fred A. Neil"},{"id":"seg_98808_253","meeting_id":"98808","media_asset_id":"med_98808_0590be389b225186","agenda_item_id":null,"speaker_id":"off_david_l_anderson","speaker_confidence":0.95,"start_sec":4311.9,"end_sec":4325.59,"text":"Uh thank you, Mr. President. Uh thank you for your presentation uh tonight. It is uh uh very good, uh the conversation we definitely need to have. Um I","topics_json":"[\"homelessness\",\"housing\"]","vector_id":"vec_seg_98808_253","created_at":"2026-10-31T05:35:55Z","speaker_name":"David L. Anderson"},{"id":"seg_98808_254","meeting_id":"98808","media_asset_id":"med_98808_0590be389b225186","agenda_item_id":null,"speaker_id":"off_david_l_anderson","speaker_confidence":0.95,"start_sec":4325.61,"end_sec":4362.79,"text":"a question, um, for research, as opposed to I don't expect you to answer it. And that is, um, there was a property that was, uh, open to even, uh, tents, which was not feasible, um, uh, with with the Unsheltered Working Group. Um, would would they be That was a little more isolated, would they be interested in maybe phase 2 and when, uh, somebody deals with an adult homeless population? Uh, that might be something to look at, uh, maybe a prop- that property, um, that that the Unsheltered Working Group was looking at. Or maybe this one, um, could be more for families, because that's just my opinion, uh, but I think that neighborhood is a family neighborhood.","topics_json":"[\"homelessness\",\"housing\"]","vector_id":"vec_seg_98808_254","created_at":"2026-10-31T05:35:55Z","speaker_name":"David L. Anderson"},{"id":"seg_98808_255","meeting_id":"98808","media_asset_id":"med_98808_0590be389b225186","agenda_item_id":null,"speaker_id":"off_fred_a_neil","speaker_confidence":0.85,"start_sec":4362.79,"end_sec":4363.57,"text":"Mhm.","topics_json":"[]","vector_id":"vec_seg_98808_255","created_at":"2026-10-31T05:35:55Z","speaker_name":"Fred A. 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Thank you.","topics_json":"[]","vector_id":"vec_seg_98808_26","created_at":"2026-10-31T05:35:54Z","speaker_name":null},{"id":"seg_98808_260","meeting_id":"98808","media_asset_id":"med_98808_0590be389b225186","agenda_item_id":null,"speaker_id":"off_david_l_anderson","speaker_confidence":0.95,"start_sec":4423.28,"end_sec":4426.62,"text":"And, uh, anything that we do that that discourages intact families,","topics_json":"[\"housing\"]","vector_id":"vec_seg_98808_260","created_at":"2026-10-31T05:35:55Z","speaker_name":"David L. Anderson"},{"id":"seg_98808_261","meeting_id":"98808","media_asset_id":"med_98808_0590be389b225186","agenda_item_id":null,"speaker_id":"off_fred_a_neil","speaker_confidence":0.85,"start_sec":4426.62,"end_sec":4427.26,"text":"Yeah.","topics_json":"[]","vector_id":"vec_seg_98808_261","created_at":"2026-10-31T05:35:55Z","speaker_name":"Fred A. 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So, um, yeah.","topics_json":"[\"housing\"]","vector_id":"vec_seg_98808_27","created_at":"2026-10-31T05:35:54Z","speaker_name":null},{"id":"seg_98808_270","meeting_id":"98808","media_asset_id":"med_98808_0590be389b225186","agenda_item_id":null,"speaker_id":"off_fred_a_neil","speaker_confidence":0.95,"start_sec":4502.61,"end_sec":4504.17,"text":"Thank you. Uh Councilman Rocha.","topics_json":"[]","vector_id":"vec_seg_98808_270","created_at":"2026-10-31T05:35:55Z","speaker_name":"Fred A. Neil"},{"id":"seg_98808_271","meeting_id":"98808","media_asset_id":"med_98808_0590be389b225186","agenda_item_id":null,"speaker_id":"off_gerald_l_rocha_sr","speaker_confidence":0.95,"start_sec":4504.39,"end_sec":4522.23,"text":"Thank you, Council President. And uh thank you for uh bringing this to our attention. Um, a lot of it uh we have had many many discussions on in the past. Um, the only thing that I would like to know currently is where the numbers are as far as trying to match what the need is for our city. In other words, um, how many fam- versus","topics_json":"[\"homelessness\",\"housing\"]","vector_id":"vec_seg_98808_271","created_at":"2026-10-31T05:35:55Z","speaker_name":"Gerald L. Rocha, Sr."},{"id":"seg_98808_272","meeting_id":"98808","media_asset_id":"med_98808_0590be389b225186","agenda_item_id":null,"speaker_id":"off_andre_m_boggerty","speaker_confidence":0.9,"start_sec":4522.22,"end_sec":4525.42,"text":"How many are living in the woods versus male needs and and if","topics_json":"[\"homelessness\"]","vector_id":"vec_seg_98808_272","created_at":"2026-10-31T05:35:55Z","speaker_name":"Andre M. Boggerty"},{"id":"seg_98808_273","meeting_id":"98808","media_asset_id":"med_98808_0590be389b225186","agenda_item_id":null,"speaker_id":"spk_98808_jim_martin","speaker_confidence":0.9,"start_sec":4525.42,"end_sec":4625.08,"text":"So, it is a tough question to answer factually. Right. Unless you do an aggressive street outreach program. Not once a year once a year point-in-time count, because that won't tell you much. We in Georgetown for a while, we had a case worker doing for like 6 months to survey, survey, survey, survey. And we found out a lot of interesting data, but we also found out the numbers stayed quite high, but it was over 6 months time. And the problem with street outreach is if you don't circle back, you lose them. They come, they go, whatever, you know. During this recent cold snap, we coordinated with other nonprofits and the Red Cross and with the town to get them out in someplace warm. We have a brand-new community center. We put 20 bodies in it on mattresses. Our resident stewards took care of them. But there was about 70 people that finally said, \"I can't stay in the woods. I got I will die.\" So, we're thinking, well, okay, that's probably an indicator of how much more homeless we have than the 40 we're already housing. So, one of the things to be careful about is realize that it is a concept. It is can be successful if done right, but there's also a scope question. Is it at a level with the need? And and I, quite frankly, will admit, our first effort in Dover, if it happens to be at that church, we'll still have lots of unmet need, but it will show you a path forward. So, we're not promising it will end homelessness, but what we're promising is it's a humane remedy that no one seems to pay enough attention to. You're not going to solve homelessness until you give them a safe place to live.","topics_json":"[\"homelessness\",\"housing\"]","vector_id":"vec_seg_98808_273","created_at":"2026-10-31T05:35:55Z","speaker_name":"Jim Martin"},{"id":"seg_98808_274","meeting_id":"98808","media_asset_id":"med_98808_0590be389b225186","agenda_item_id":null,"speaker_id":"off_andre_m_boggerty","speaker_confidence":0.95,"start_sec":4625.08,"end_sec":4669.44,"text":"Understood. Yeah. Um, yeah, and I think that it worth looking into um even even if we would consider it as a pilot. Um, I think it's something that we should at least, you know, do our due diligence to find out if it's possible. Excellent. Yeah, I mean, you know, um we're at this point, I think. Thank you, I yield.","topics_json":"[\"homelessness\",\"housing\"]","vector_id":"vec_seg_98808_274","created_at":"2026-10-31T05:35:55Z","speaker_name":"Andre M. Boggerty"},{"id":"seg_98808_275","meeting_id":"98808","media_asset_id":"med_98808_0590be389b225186","agenda_item_id":null,"speaker_id":"off_fred_a_neil","speaker_confidence":0.95,"start_sec":4669.44,"end_sec":4698.87,"text":"Any other questions? If not, I will take over. Um, you've got a a little bit of a problem. One of the problems is is zoning, as Councilwoman Arndt had mentioned. We did provide some leeway in one of the churches and it kind of backfired on us with literally almost the total destruction of the neighborhood around it, simply because the people that were drawn and it wasn't done. I won't say that this would happen there, but basically it is a zoning problem that is a concern because it's going to be totally different from what how that church is is zoned and the services that you're going to provide.","topics_json":"[\"zoning\",\"homelessness\"]","vector_id":"vec_seg_98808_275","created_at":"2026-10-31T05:35:55Z","speaker_name":"Fred A. 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Your figures for Georgetown of a $7,343 basically half and half public and private. So we haven't talked about the cost. So what is the cost? What is it that...","topics_json":"[\"budget\",\"homelessness\"]","vector_id":"vec_seg_98808_278","created_at":"2026-10-31T05:35:55Z","speaker_name":"Fred A. Neil"},{"id":"seg_98808_279","meeting_id":"98808","media_asset_id":"med_98808_0590be389b225186","agenda_item_id":null,"speaker_id":"spk_98808_judson_malone","speaker_confidence":0.85,"start_sec":4741.43,"end_sec":4745.93,"text":"That figure is our... that is our... That's not the annual number, by the way. That's since we started we've raised that much money.","topics_json":"[\"budget\",\"homelessness\"]","vector_id":"vec_seg_98808_279","created_at":"2026-10-31T05:35:55Z","speaker_name":"Judson Malone"},{"id":"seg_98808_28","meeting_id":"98808","media_asset_id":"med_98808_0590be389b225186","agenda_item_id":null,"speaker_id":"spk_98808_female_speaker","speaker_confidence":0.8,"start_sec":413.05,"end_sec":419.01,"text":"So, even though housing costs might be the same, the disparity lies in the income of whether you're an owner or a renter. Uh, next slide.","topics_json":"[\"housing\"]","vector_id":"vec_seg_98808_28","created_at":"2026-10-31T05:35:54Z","speaker_name":null},{"id":"seg_98808_280","meeting_id":"98808","media_asset_id":"med_98808_0590be389b225186","agenda_item_id":null,"speaker_id":"off_fred_a_neil","speaker_confidence":0.95,"start_sec":4745.93,"end_sec":4750,"text":"Okay. So what would it cost the city in terms of... are you looking for anything from the city at all?","topics_json":"[\"budget\"]","vector_id":"vec_seg_98808_280","created_at":"2026-10-31T05:35:55Z","speaker_name":"Fred A. Neil"},{"id":"seg_98808_281","meeting_id":"98808","media_asset_id":"med_98808_0590be389b225186","agenda_item_id":null,"speaker_id":"spk_98808_judson_malone","speaker_confidence":0.85,"start_sec":4750,"end_sec":4802.31,"text":"We... no, we are not. And I've gone to, every city I've gone to, I've gone to Newark, I've gone to Milford, the same, and Georgetown, the same message: it's the state's responsibility to contract for these kinds of operations. And we have in fact succeeded in getting a contract for Georgetown, but we're still not enough because they haven't put enough money in it that we would like to see. But our model is... and by the way, I don't know who's going to run the proposed Sheridan Hope Center, but we're proposing that we're the nonprofit, we will operate it, we will run it, and we will raise the money through state contracts to do it, and we will raise capital from the private sector for the cottages.","topics_json":"[\"budget\",\"homelessness\",\"housing\"]","vector_id":"vec_seg_98808_281","created_at":"2026-10-31T05:35:55Z","speaker_name":"Judson Malone"},{"id":"seg_98808_282","meeting_id":"98808","media_asset_id":"med_98808_0590be389b225186","agenda_item_id":null,"speaker_id":"spk_98808_judson_malone","speaker_confidence":0.85,"start_sec":4802.31,"end_sec":4843.05,"text":"We we do have a time-limited capital budget of a million-four that we could put towards this project. But as we expand, we're going to have to address the issue that it's both a capital expense and an operating expense. But we also understand cities are not structured for this level of social service. But they're the ones... you're the bullseye of the problem and with no access to funding to solve it.","topics_json":"[\"budget\",\"homelessness\"]","vector_id":"vec_seg_98808_282","created_at":"2026-10-31T05:35:55Z","speaker_name":"Judson Malone"},{"id":"seg_98808_283","meeting_id":"98808","media_asset_id":"med_98808_0590be389b225186","agenda_item_id":null,"speaker_id":"off_fred_a_neil","speaker_confidence":0.95,"start_sec":4843.05,"end_sec":4854.26,"text":"Well, that's absolutely true with us. Social services, education, and healthcare is none of that is in our bailiwick or in our charter. But it is still the possibility of having two such facilities here. And Hope Center does what is very similar...","topics_json":"[\"homelessness\",\"housing\"]","vector_id":"vec_seg_98808_283","created_at":"2026-10-31T05:35:55Z","speaker_name":"Fred A. 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And that will be our next task is to see what's allowable.","topics_json":"[\"zoning\",\"housing\",\"homelessness\"]","vector_id":"vec_seg_98808_286","created_at":"2026-10-31T05:35:55Z","speaker_name":"Judson Malone"},{"id":"seg_98808_287","meeting_id":"98808","media_asset_id":"med_98808_0590be389b225186","agenda_item_id":null,"speaker_id":"spk_98808_judson_malone","speaker_confidence":0.85,"start_sec":4875.42,"end_sec":4906.55,"text":"The other thing is that we're we're almost at at 30,000 ft we we look like a a deconstructed Hope Center, but there is a difference.","topics_json":"[\"homelessness\",\"housing\"]","vector_id":"vec_seg_98808_287","created_at":"2026-10-31T05:35:55Z","speaker_name":"Judson Malone"},{"id":"seg_98808_288","meeting_id":"98808","media_asset_id":"med_98808_0590be389b225186","agenda_item_id":null,"speaker_id":"spk_98808_judson_malone","speaker_confidence":0.85,"start_sec":4906.55,"end_sec":4915.46,"text":"And it is now, their model is to get the biggest building they can get and to offer a tiered level of services. Starts as emergency shelter, you know, and then you can stay there 30, 60, 90 days, however long you've got a voucher for.","topics_json":"[\"homelessness\",\"housing\"]","vector_id":"vec_seg_98808_288","created_at":"2026-10-31T05:35:55Z","speaker_name":"Judson Malone"},{"id":"seg_98808_289","meeting_id":"98808","media_asset_id":"med_98808_0590be389b225186","agenda_item_id":null,"speaker_id":"spk_98808_presenter","speaker_confidence":0.9,"start_sec":4915.46,"end_sec":4968.76,"text":"Then it goes into respite care. Whether we'll try to reproduce that here or not, but respite care is a We One of the biggest problems we have in Georgetown is Bayhealth and Beebe say, \"Oh, we got this patient. They just came out of surgery. They're homeless. Got no place to go.\" They're They're They're well enough that they can't stay in the hospital, but they're way too sick to be in the woods. So we're constantly grappling with that, and so is the Hope Center to the extent that they just took a floor and made it a respite center. That's That's a good plan. They're also progressing. They said, \"Well, now we got the same problem everybody else does. There's no housing available. So let's take another floor, and let's turn it into permanent supportive housing.\" So that's the model they're evolving into. Uh but we work very closely with them, and and Carrie Casey, who is the Director of Community Development for New Castle County, is on our board. So we're trying very much to make this a collaborative effort, not an either/or effort.","topics_json":"[\"homelessness\",\"housing\"]","vector_id":"vec_seg_98808_289","created_at":"2026-10-31T05:35:55Z","speaker_name":null},{"id":"seg_98808_29","meeting_id":"98808","media_asset_id":"med_98808_0590be389b225186","agenda_item_id":null,"speaker_id":"spk_98808_female_speaker","speaker_confidence":0.8,"start_sec":419.01,"end_sec":427.83,"text":"So this is a real busy slide. You can look this one up online, so that's why I didn't spend a lot of time on it. So HUD has benchmarks, and that's how they base all the things that they, all the programs and services.","topics_json":"[\"housing\"]","vector_id":"vec_seg_98808_29","created_at":"2026-10-31T05:35:54Z","speaker_name":null},{"id":"seg_98808_290","meeting_id":"98808","media_asset_id":"med_98808_0590be389b225186","agenda_item_id":null,"speaker_id":"off_fred_a_neil","speaker_confidence":0.95,"start_sec":4968.76,"end_sec":4980.96,"text":"Well, we want to thank you very much for a terrific presentation. Okay? Thank you. And uh we will uh we hope uh as soon as we have something we will want you to hear it. Either hear from you, or you will hear from us, okay? Thank you for the presentation.","topics_json":"[]","vector_id":"vec_seg_98808_290","created_at":"2026-10-31T05:35:55Z","speaker_name":"Fred A. 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Neil"},{"id":"seg_98808_293","meeting_id":"98808","media_asset_id":"med_98808_0590be389b225186","agenda_item_id":null,"speaker_id":"off_julia_m_pillsbury","speaker_confidence":0.95,"start_sec":4993.86,"end_sec":5010.16,"text":"Past month has been fairly quiet. Um I attended the meeting for the retirees um and they're they're doing well. So, I have nothing else to offer.","topics_json":"[]","vector_id":"vec_seg_98808_293","created_at":"2026-10-31T05:35:55Z","speaker_name":"Julia M. Pillsbury"},{"id":"seg_98808_294","meeting_id":"98808","media_asset_id":"med_98808_0590be389b225186","agenda_item_id":null,"speaker_id":"off_fred_a_neil","speaker_confidence":0.95,"start_sec":5010.16,"end_sec":5011.26,"text":"Mr. Rocha.","topics_json":"[]","vector_id":"vec_seg_98808_294","created_at":"2026-10-31T05:35:55Z","speaker_name":"Fred A. Neil"},{"id":"seg_98808_295","meeting_id":"98808","media_asset_id":"med_98808_0590be389b225186","agenda_item_id":null,"speaker_id":"spk_98808_working_with_our_uh","speaker_confidence":0.95,"start_sec":5011.26,"end_sec":5050.96,"text":"Thank you, Dr. Pillsbury and uh Council President. Most of what I've done has been here internally uh attending um meetings, some some with with you, Council President. Uh also attended uh and Dr. Pillsbury you were with me also with at the pension board uh meeting. Um and also having meetings um I'm on the committee or helping out the committee for the St. Patrick's Day parade this Saturday. And uh other than that, just uh fielding fielding constituent complaints that I'm working with our uh city manager on. And that's all I have to report, thank you.","topics_json":"[]","vector_id":"vec_seg_98808_295","created_at":"2026-10-31T05:35:55Z","speaker_name":"working with our uh"},{"id":"seg_98808_296","meeting_id":"98808","media_asset_id":"med_98808_0590be389b225186","agenda_item_id":null,"speaker_id":"off_fred_a_neil","speaker_confidence":0.95,"start_sec":5051.26,"end_sec":5057.56,"text":"Is Miss Hall with us tonight? Councilwoman Hall? If not, Councilman Lewis?","topics_json":"[]","vector_id":"vec_seg_98808_296","created_at":"2026-10-31T05:35:55Z","speaker_name":"Fred A. Neil"},{"id":"seg_98808_297","meeting_id":"98808","media_asset_id":"med_98808_0590be389b225186","agenda_item_id":null,"speaker_id":"off_donyale_m_hall","speaker_confidence":0.95,"start_sec":5057.56,"end_sec":5063.26,"text":"is here. Council President, um I have had Can you hear me?","topics_json":"[]","vector_id":"vec_seg_98808_297","created_at":"2026-10-31T05:35:55Z","speaker_name":"Donyale M. Hall"},{"id":"seg_98808_298","meeting_id":"98808","media_asset_id":"med_98808_0590be389b225186","agenda_item_id":null,"speaker_id":"off_fred_a_neil","speaker_confidence":0.95,"start_sec":5063.26,"end_sec":5065.26,"text":"Oh, yes. We can hear you now.","topics_json":"[]","vector_id":"vec_seg_98808_298","created_at":"2026-10-31T05:35:55Z","speaker_name":"Fred A. Neil"},{"id":"seg_98808_299","meeting_id":"98808","media_asset_id":"med_98808_0590be389b225186","agenda_item_id":null,"speaker_id":"off_donyale_m_hall","speaker_confidence":0.95,"start_sec":5065.76,"end_sec":5112.06,"text":"Okay, just making sure. Um in my district, of course, we had all of the complaints that uh arose from the snow removal, and I think between myself and uh Councilman Lewis, um we had our hands full with uh that. I just want to again thank um all of the city staff that um aided us with those um asks. Um I have also uh been working on uh doing some research around uh the possibility of a a data center coming uh to uh maybe particularly our area and kind of fielding the research on what we can do to be proactive um should uh one of those facilities decide","topics_json":"[\"business\"]","vector_id":"vec_seg_98808_299","created_at":"2026-10-31T05:35:55Z","speaker_name":"Donyale M. Hall"},{"id":"seg_98808_3","meeting_id":"98808","media_asset_id":"med_98808_0590be389b225186","agenda_item_id":null,"speaker_id":"off_fred_a_neil","speaker_confidence":0.95,"start_sec":22,"end_sec":23.5,"text":"Moved by Dr. Pillsbury.","topics_json":"[]","vector_id":"vec_seg_98808_3","created_at":"2026-10-31T05:35:54Z","speaker_name":"Fred A. Neil"},{"id":"seg_98808_30","meeting_id":"98808","media_asset_id":"med_98808_0590be389b225186","agenda_item_id":null,"speaker_id":"spk_98808_female_speaker","speaker_confidence":0.8,"start_sec":427.83,"end_sec":465.78,"text":"So the important takeaway is that rents have increased over time, and they remain relative to the earlier years. These aren't temporary spikes. So even modest increases in rent can create pressure for those households that are nearly near their limits. But this does not tell the whole story of housing. So let's go to the next slide.","topics_json":"[\"housing\"]","vector_id":"vec_seg_98808_30","created_at":"2026-10-31T05:35:54Z","speaker_name":null},{"id":"seg_98808_300","meeting_id":"98808","media_asset_id":"med_98808_0590be389b225186","agenda_item_id":null,"speaker_id":"off_donyale_m_hall","speaker_confidence":1,"start_sec":5112.08,"end_sec":5140.47,"text":"say that they want to make Dover their home. Um, I have also had some conversations around doing some other works within the community with the children. And, um, I'm grateful for all of those that came forward and talked about affordable housing. Um, there's a a national opportunity well that that as well that I've been doing some research on, and as I gather more information, I'll be happy to share that with some of the opportunities that might also present themselves to deal with making housing more affordable. Thank you. I yield.","topics_json":"[\"housing\"]","vector_id":"vec_seg_98808_300","created_at":"2026-10-31T05:35:55Z","speaker_name":"Donyale M. Hall"},{"id":"seg_98808_301","meeting_id":"98808","media_asset_id":"med_98808_0590be389b225186","agenda_item_id":null,"speaker_id":"off_fred_a_neil","speaker_confidence":1,"start_sec":5140.47,"end_sec":5141.83,"text":"Councilman Lewis.","topics_json":"[]","vector_id":"vec_seg_98808_301","created_at":"2026-10-31T05:35:55Z","speaker_name":"Fred A. Neil"},{"id":"seg_98808_302","meeting_id":"98808","media_asset_id":"med_98808_0590be389b225186","agenda_item_id":null,"speaker_id":"off_brian_e_lewis","speaker_confidence":1,"start_sec":5141.83,"end_sec":5280.39,"text":"Yes. I, uh, as Ms. Hall indicated, have been dealing with a lot of, uh, concerned constituents, uh, over various, uh, code enforcement issues, uh, crime in the area. Uh, most of the, um, issues I referred to Ms. Duca to address, or Mr. Eddie Kopp, our chief code enforcement officer. Um, I had discussion with the chief last night briefly, uh, regarding trying to, uh, ascertain a a camera still in the alleyway over there between Stoney Creek development and Barrister, because, um, that's one of the areas that is attracting a lot of crime. Uh, not only code enforcement issues with an abundance of trash, but, um, I I've I get at least, um, uh, three to four phone calls a a week, um, from constituents over there complaining about drug transactions going on in that alleyway, uh, with park in. So, um, I look forward to, uh, having dialogue with the chief, maybe we can set up an appointment, uh, to talk, you, I, and, uh, Councilman Rocha, and see if we can come can come up with something as far as, uh, getting a camera back there, so so, I know funds are tight, but maybe we could, um, uh, collaborate with another, uh, agency in the state that could, uh, give us something on loan, and that's all I have.","topics_json":"[\"public_safety\"]","vector_id":"vec_seg_98808_302","created_at":"2026-10-31T05:35:55Z","speaker_name":"Brian E. Lewis"},{"id":"seg_98808_303","meeting_id":"98808","media_asset_id":"med_98808_0590be389b225186","agenda_item_id":null,"speaker_id":"off_fred_a_neil","speaker_confidence":1,"start_sec":5280.39,"end_sec":5283.61,"text":"Thank you. Councilwoman Arndt, from the Third District.","topics_json":"[]","vector_id":"vec_seg_98808_303","created_at":"2026-10-31T05:35:55Z","speaker_name":"Fred A. Neil"},{"id":"seg_98808_304","meeting_id":"98808","media_asset_id":"med_98808_0590be389b225186","agenda_item_id":null,"speaker_id":"off_tricia_k_arndt","speaker_confidence":1,"start_sec":5283.61,"end_sec":5306.29,"text":"Thank you for recognizing me. Um, just several constituent concerns. Um, a few meetings, um, one most recently was the Downtown Dover Partnership board meeting. Um, with regards to constituent concerns, um, now that the snow has melted, I'm hearing a lot about trash on the roadways, um, and up along the curbs, and especially in the medians on Route 13. So, um, something that I'll try to to look into moving forward, um, to see if we can get some of that trash picked up. I yield.","topics_json":"[\"business\"]","vector_id":"vec_seg_98808_304","created_at":"2026-10-31T05:35:55Z","speaker_name":"Tricia K. Arndt"},{"id":"seg_98808_305","meeting_id":"98808","media_asset_id":"med_98808_0590be389b225186","agenda_item_id":null,"speaker_id":"off_fred_a_neil","speaker_confidence":1,"start_sec":5306.29,"end_sec":5308.7,"text":"Fourth District, Councilman Anderson.","topics_json":"[]","vector_id":"vec_seg_98808_305","created_at":"2026-10-31T05:35:55Z","speaker_name":"Fred A. Neil"},{"id":"seg_98808_306","meeting_id":"98808","media_asset_id":"med_98808_0590be389b225186","agenda_item_id":null,"speaker_id":"off_david_l_anderson","speaker_confidence":1,"start_sec":5308.7,"end_sec":5308.7,"text":"Thank you, Mr. President. Um, first of all, I want to, uh, uh, thank everyone who participated in in the, uh, trash pick up that Being The Seed organized, uh, recently. It was, uh, quite a bit of success. Uh, I didn't get to participate this particular one because I, uh, had to, they ended up, uh, uh, deciding to have a war. Anyway, that got me a little tied up. So, um...","topics_json":"[]","vector_id":"vec_seg_98808_306","created_at":"2026-10-31T05:35:55Z","speaker_name":"David L. Anderson"},{"id":"seg_98808_307","meeting_id":"98808","media_asset_id":"med_98808_0590be389b225186","agenda_item_id":null,"speaker_id":"off_david_l_anderson","speaker_confidence":0.95,"start_sec":5308.7,"end_sec":5458.8,"text":"not prepared for that. But, but it was a a good thing and I I just want to thank about 40 people who participated in that in the community. It was a There were a lot of community partners and I did get to talk with some people afterwards. Um it that was a um there's a lot of positive um things happening. Um there are also some concerns um uh yeah that uh there is uh maybe uh some drug dealing concerns uh that is starting to creep up uh north the alley between North Governors and New Street. Um that's a concern and there there's some other concerns as well uh different areas requested and forwarded to staff for different places. Um I want to thank staff for the work they've done. I uh Also, uh that we've gotten a lot of uh there's been a lot of high praise uh for the snow removal from uh people all across uh the district. Uh See, yeah, okay it's a lot easier to move powdered snow than it is packed ice, you know, although some people aren't uh making that distinction. But, hey, take the praise when you get it because the uh the staff worked very hard. They did a tremendous job and they did it with the utmost professionalism and and the people in the city are noticing. And that's uh a good thing. Um there's also uh uh uh the people of Silver Lake Boulevard are are tracking and and happy about the the replacement of the barrier uh and uh thankful for for that even though it's gotten a little delayed because of weather, which is can only be expected this time of year. And there's um uh also some diff- other issues that have been uh uh sent in to staff and looking forward to uh to seeing those uh resolved. Um and we look forward to the St. Patrick's Day Parade coming up Saturday, and want to thank all the volunteers who engaged and put that together. I yield, Mr. President.","topics_json":"[\"public_safety\"]","vector_id":"vec_seg_98808_307","created_at":"2026-10-31T05:35:55Z","speaker_name":"David L. Anderson"},{"id":"seg_98808_308","meeting_id":"98808","media_asset_id":"med_98808_0590be389b225186","agenda_item_id":null,"speaker_id":"off_fred_a_neil","speaker_confidence":0.95,"start_sec":5458.8,"end_sec":5465.1,"text":"Thank you. At-large um councilman, Mr. Andre Boggerty.","topics_json":"[]","vector_id":"vec_seg_98808_308","created_at":"2026-10-31T05:35:55Z","speaker_name":"Fred A. Neil"},{"id":"seg_98808_309","meeting_id":"98808","media_asset_id":"med_98808_0590be389b225186","agenda_item_id":null,"speaker_id":"off_andre_m_boggerty","speaker_confidence":0.95,"start_sec":5465.1,"end_sec":5503.9,"text":"Thank you. Um just a couple things. Um I was able to attend and speak at the uh, I guess it was a Black History program uh at the Modern Maturity Center. Um so that was it was a good, good time. Uh also, um met with um attended a personal meeting with Councilman Rocha and Council President Neil. Um attended a meeting with that and also um continue in my duties, there was a meeting with Construction Property and uh Construction Property and Appeal Board. So, we also had a meeting in February regarding that. Um that's enough. I yield my time. Thank you.","topics_json":"[]","vector_id":"vec_seg_98808_309","created_at":"2026-10-31T05:35:55Z","speaker_name":"Andre M. Boggerty"},{"id":"seg_98808_31","meeting_id":"98808","media_asset_id":"med_98808_0590be389b225186","agenda_item_id":null,"speaker_id":"spk_98808_female_speaker","speaker_confidence":0.8,"start_sec":465.78,"end_sec":482.98,"text":"I don't know if you've ever heard this term, it's called ALICE, and it's by the United Way. Asset Limited, Asset Limited, Income Constrained, Employed. So when you look at that measurement versus a HUD, pretty generic measurement, um what this means is that there's households that are earning above the federal poverty level, but not enough to afford the basic essentials in the county where they live.","topics_json":"[\"housing\"]","vector_id":"vec_seg_98808_31","created_at":"2026-10-31T05:35:54Z","speaker_name":null},{"id":"seg_98808_310","meeting_id":"98808","media_asset_id":"med_98808_0590be389b225186","agenda_item_id":null,"speaker_id":"off_fred_a_neil","speaker_confidence":0.95,"start_sec":5503.9,"end_sec":5505.3,"text":"Okay.","topics_json":"[]","vector_id":"vec_seg_98808_310","created_at":"2026-10-31T05:35:55Z","speaker_name":"Fred A. Neil"},{"id":"seg_98808_311","meeting_id":"98808","media_asset_id":"med_98808_0590be389b225186","agenda_item_id":null,"speaker_id":"off_fred_a_neil","speaker_confidence":0.95,"start_sec":5505.32,"end_sec":5518.32,"text":"Thank you. I attended the say books students poster contest at the George Washington Station which is near near the target building, attended appeals hearing with chairmen Boggerty and Councilman Rocha, met with the mayor and citizens interested in creating a City of Dover Museum,","topics_json":"[]","vector_id":"vec_seg_98808_311","created_at":"2026-10-31T05:35:55Z","speaker_name":"Fred A. Neil"},{"id":"seg_98808_312","meeting_id":"98808","media_asset_id":"med_98808_0590be389b225186","agenda_item_id":null,"speaker_id":"off_fred_a_neil","speaker_confidence":0.95,"start_sec":5521.35,"end_sec":5535.33,"text":"talk with emails dealing with proposed pedestrian safety, send third District snow alert on behalf of Councilman Arndt and myself, to third district HOA presidents and civic leaders, dealt with emails regarding snow removal issues,","topics_json":"[\"public_safety\"]","vector_id":"vec_seg_98808_312","created_at":"2026-10-31T05:35:55Z","speaker_name":"Fred A. 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And with that, that's my report, and I now turn it over to Councilman Gerald Rocha to conduct the business of the utility committee. Floor is yours.","topics_json":"[]","vector_id":"vec_seg_98808_315","created_at":"2026-10-31T05:35:55Z","speaker_name":"Fred A. Neil"},{"id":"seg_98808_316","meeting_id":"98808","media_asset_id":"med_98808_0590be389b225186","agenda_item_id":null,"speaker_id":"off_gerald_l_rocha_sr","speaker_confidence":0.95,"start_sec":5578.32,"end_sec":5594.6,"text":"Thank you, council president. I, uh, I believe we have Dr. Soso is online tonight? And I think that's it as far as the committee goes. Uh, and with that said, uh, is Dr. Soso, he's online? Okay.","topics_json":"[]","vector_id":"vec_seg_98808_316","created_at":"2026-10-31T05:35:55Z","speaker_name":"Gerald L. Rocha, Sr."},{"id":"seg_98808_317","meeting_id":"98808","media_asset_id":"med_98808_0590be389b225186","agenda_item_id":null,"speaker_id":"off_gerald_l_rocha_sr","speaker_confidence":0.95,"start_sec":5595.09,"end_sec":5603.47,"text":"With that said, I now call the Utility Committee to order. I will entertain, uh, a motion to adopt the agenda for this evening.","topics_json":"[]","vector_id":"vec_seg_98808_317","created_at":"2026-10-31T05:35:55Z","speaker_name":"Gerald L. Rocha, Sr."},{"id":"seg_98808_318","meeting_id":"98808","media_asset_id":"med_98808_0590be389b225186","agenda_item_id":null,"speaker_id":"off_andre_m_boggerty","speaker_confidence":0.85,"start_sec":5604.13,"end_sec":5604.72,"text":"So moved.","topics_json":"[]","vector_id":"vec_seg_98808_318","created_at":"2026-10-31T05:35:55Z","speaker_name":"Andre M. Boggerty"},{"id":"seg_98808_319","meeting_id":"98808","media_asset_id":"med_98808_0590be389b225186","agenda_item_id":null,"speaker_id":"off_fred_a_neil","speaker_confidence":0.9,"start_sec":5605.42,"end_sec":5606.23,"text":"Properly seconded.","topics_json":"[]","vector_id":"vec_seg_98808_319","created_at":"2026-10-31T05:35:55Z","speaker_name":"Fred A. Neil"},{"id":"seg_98808_32","meeting_id":"98808","media_asset_id":"med_98808_0590be389b225186","agenda_item_id":null,"speaker_id":"spk_98808_female_speaker","speaker_confidence":0.8,"start_sec":482.98,"end_sec":530.92,"text":"So while I'm not going to do a deeper dive in poverty because you've got a little chart in there um what what the snapshot looks like. So I'll just give you an example on how to read this chart. See the next to the bottom um line there? It's Dover, and you could see that Dover has the highest population, highest households, but the highest percentage of people that are ALICE, meaning Asset Limited, Const- etc., is North Milford at 53%, whereas Dover, Asset Limited, Income Constrained ALICEs are 47 47%.","topics_json":"[\"housing\"]","vector_id":"vec_seg_98808_32","created_at":"2026-10-31T05:35:54Z","speaker_name":null},{"id":"seg_98808_320","meeting_id":"98808","media_asset_id":"med_98808_0590be389b225186","agenda_item_id":null,"speaker_id":"off_gerald_l_rocha_sr","speaker_confidence":0.95,"start_sec":5606.39,"end_sec":5612.19,"text":"It's been properly moved and seconded for the agenda. Any discussion or questions on the, on the motion?","topics_json":"[]","vector_id":"vec_seg_98808_320","created_at":"2026-10-31T05:35:55Z","speaker_name":"Gerald L. Rocha, Sr."},{"id":"seg_98808_321","meeting_id":"98808","media_asset_id":"med_98808_0590be389b225186","agenda_item_id":null,"speaker_id":"off_gerald_l_rocha_sr","speaker_confidence":0.95,"start_sec":5612.89,"end_sec":5616.77,"text":"Hearing and seeing none, all those in favor, please state by saying aye.","topics_json":"[]","vector_id":"vec_seg_98808_321","created_at":"2026-10-31T05:35:55Z","speaker_name":"Gerald L. Rocha, Sr."},{"id":"seg_98808_322","meeting_id":"98808","media_asset_id":"med_98808_0590be389b225186","agenda_item_id":null,"speaker_id":"off_andre_m_boggerty","speaker_confidence":0.7,"start_sec":5616.77,"end_sec":5617.5,"text":"Aye.","topics_json":"[]","vector_id":"vec_seg_98808_322","created_at":"2026-10-31T05:35:55Z","speaker_name":"Andre M. Boggerty"},{"id":"seg_98808_323","meeting_id":"98808","media_asset_id":"med_98808_0590be389b225186","agenda_item_id":null,"speaker_id":"off_julia_m_pillsbury","speaker_confidence":0.7,"start_sec":5617.5,"end_sec":5618.3,"text":"Aye.","topics_json":"[]","vector_id":"vec_seg_98808_323","created_at":"2026-10-31T05:35:55Z","speaker_name":"Julia M. Pillsbury"},{"id":"seg_98808_324","meeting_id":"98808","media_asset_id":"med_98808_0590be389b225186","agenda_item_id":null,"speaker_id":"off_gerald_l_rocha_sr","speaker_confidence":0.95,"start_sec":5618.42,"end_sec":5622.47,"text":"Any opposed? The ayes have it. The agenda is adopted.","topics_json":"[]","vector_id":"vec_seg_98808_324","created_at":"2026-10-31T05:35:55Z","speaker_name":"Gerald L. Rocha, Sr."},{"id":"seg_98808_325","meeting_id":"98808","media_asset_id":"med_98808_0590be389b225186","agenda_item_id":null,"speaker_id":"off_gerald_l_rocha_sr","speaker_confidence":0.95,"start_sec":5622.52,"end_sec":5633.77,"text":"First item on the agenda is Dedication of Water Infrastructure on South Bay Road. Our uh director of Water and Wastewater, uh Mr. Jason Lyon, uh the floor is yours, sir.","topics_json":"[]","vector_id":"vec_seg_98808_325","created_at":"2026-10-31T05:35:55Z","speaker_name":"Gerald L. Rocha, Sr."},{"id":"seg_98808_326","meeting_id":"98808","media_asset_id":"med_98808_0590be389b225186","agenda_item_id":null,"speaker_id":"spk_98808_jason_lyon","speaker_confidence":0.95,"start_sec":5634.16,"end_sec":5654.92,"text":"Good evening, committee chair, fellow committee members, Team Dover. I am Jason Lyon, director of Water, Wastewater, and Engineering Services. Before you this evening is one of two uh requests for dedication of infrastructure. Um this relates to a construction project that occurred on South Bay Road, um fairly southern, near the Dover Air Force Base. Um","topics_json":"[]","vector_id":"vec_seg_98808_326","created_at":"2026-10-31T05:35:55Z","speaker_name":"Jason Lyon"},{"id":"seg_98808_327","meeting_id":"98808","media_asset_id":"med_98808_0590be389b225186","agenda_item_id":null,"speaker_id":"spk_98808_jason_lyon","speaker_confidence":0.95,"start_sec":5656.22,"end_sec":5674.89,"text":"it's a it's a It's a auto body shop called Caliber Collision. And in order for that uh facility to obtain water service, they had a couple of options. One is to petition for a private well, and the other is to drill across Bay Road and extend our water main to get our water service as it is in our CPCN. 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So bottom line is there's a lot of households, they work, and they still can't make ends meet. And really when you look at that, that's an workforce and community stability issue. Next slide.","topics_json":"[\"housing\"]","vector_id":"vec_seg_98808_33","created_at":"2026-10-31T05:35:54Z","speaker_name":null},{"id":"seg_98808_330","meeting_id":"98808","media_asset_id":"med_98808_0590be389b225186","agenda_item_id":null,"speaker_id":"spk_98808_jason_lyon","speaker_confidence":1,"start_sec":5701.94,"end_sec":5748.82,"text":"Sure, as you can see it goes perpendicular to to 113. Um, this property is not in city limits. I failed to mention that earlier, I apologize. Um, however it is in our CPN, so we can provide them water. Um if anyone's curious, the sanitary sewer district is the county, so they are connected to the county sanitary sewer. Um, so as part of the process for for accepting infrastructure, they have uh provided us a a value of the construction cost, which is part of our depreciation process, um as well as all necessary as-built plans, release of liens for subcontractors, uh and all necessary bonds related to this project. Uh so we're here requesting uh acceptance of this infrastructure uh for long-term maintenance and operation. I'll be happy to answer any questions.","topics_json":"[]","vector_id":"vec_seg_98808_330","created_at":"2026-10-31T05:35:55Z","speaker_name":"Jason Lyon"},{"id":"seg_98808_331","meeting_id":"98808","media_asset_id":"med_98808_0590be389b225186","agenda_item_id":null,"speaker_id":"off_andre_m_boggerty","speaker_confidence":0.95,"start_sec":5749.34,"end_sec":5752.74,"text":"Any questions for Mr. Lyon? Mr. Lewis, recognized.","topics_json":"[]","vector_id":"vec_seg_98808_331","created_at":"2026-10-31T05:35:55Z","speaker_name":"Andre M. Boggerty"},{"id":"seg_98808_332","meeting_id":"98808","media_asset_id":"med_98808_0590be389b225186","agenda_item_id":null,"speaker_id":"off_brian_e_lewis","speaker_confidence":0.95,"start_sec":5752.74,"end_sec":5761.89,"text":"Yeah, I was going to mention that this is not uh city property, it's county. Uh is there any way we can recoup funding or anything from the county in this matter?","topics_json":"[\"budget\"]","vector_id":"vec_seg_98808_332","created_at":"2026-10-31T05:35:55Z","speaker_name":"Brian E. 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Lewis"},{"id":"seg_98808_335","meeting_id":"98808","media_asset_id":"med_98808_0590be389b225186","agenda_item_id":null,"speaker_id":"spk_98808_jason_lyon","speaker_confidence":1,"start_sec":5768.76,"end_sec":5777.25,"text":"Yeah, correct. That all of the costs were borne by the developer. We're strictly asking for the cost of it for depreciation pur- uh purposes. Yeah, we have not paid a a single cent.","topics_json":"[\"budget\"]","vector_id":"vec_seg_98808_335","created_at":"2026-10-31T05:35:55Z","speaker_name":"Jason Lyon"},{"id":"seg_98808_336","meeting_id":"98808","media_asset_id":"med_98808_0590be389b225186","agenda_item_id":null,"speaker_id":"off_brian_e_lewis","speaker_confidence":0.95,"start_sec":5777.25,"end_sec":5779.24,"text":"The only thing we're going to have to do is maintain it, correct?","topics_json":"[]","vector_id":"vec_seg_98808_336","created_at":"2026-10-31T05:35:55Z","speaker_name":"Brian E. Lewis"},{"id":"seg_98808_337","meeting_id":"98808","media_asset_id":"med_98808_0590be389b225186","agenda_item_id":null,"speaker_id":"spk_98808_jason_lyon","speaker_confidence":1,"start_sec":5779.24,"end_sec":5779.94,"text":"Correct.","topics_json":"[]","vector_id":"vec_seg_98808_337","created_at":"2026-10-31T05:35:55Z","speaker_name":"Jason Lyon"},{"id":"seg_98808_338","meeting_id":"98808","media_asset_id":"med_98808_0590be389b225186","agenda_item_id":null,"speaker_id":"off_brian_e_lewis","speaker_confidence":0.95,"start_sec":5779.94,"end_sec":5784.46,"text":"Okay. Uh I'm fine with that as long as it's not going to cost the city. Nothing further.","topics_json":"[\"budget\"]","vector_id":"vec_seg_98808_338","created_at":"2026-10-31T05:35:55Z","speaker_name":"Brian E. Lewis"},{"id":"seg_98808_339","meeting_id":"98808","media_asset_id":"med_98808_0590be389b225186","agenda_item_id":null,"speaker_id":"off_andre_m_boggerty","speaker_confidence":0.95,"start_sec":5785.04,"end_sec":5790.52,"text":"All right, thank you. Any anything further? Um Mr. Anderson, you're recognized.","topics_json":"[]","vector_id":"vec_seg_98808_339","created_at":"2026-10-31T05:35:55Z","speaker_name":"Andre M. Boggerty"},{"id":"seg_98808_34","meeting_id":"98808","media_asset_id":"med_98808_0590be389b225186","agenda_item_id":null,"speaker_id":"spk_98808_female_speaker","speaker_confidence":0.8,"start_sec":542.97,"end_sec":550.11,"text":"And if you want to know how this is calculated, this again you could find on um the uh you can do an internet search for ALICE Delaware and you'll get all this information.","topics_json":"[\"housing\"]","vector_id":"vec_seg_98808_34","created_at":"2026-10-31T05:35:54Z","speaker_name":null},{"id":"seg_98808_340","meeting_id":"98808","media_asset_id":"med_98808_0590be389b225186","agenda_item_id":null,"speaker_id":"off_david_l_anderson","speaker_confidence":0.95,"start_sec":5790.94,"end_sec":5819.14,"text":"Uh thank you Mr. Chairman. Uh uh unless any member of the public has anything, but if uh not I'd just give me a moment. I I move for uh acceptance of this water infrastructure within the right of way of the of Bay Road uh dedication to include all of the referenced uh water infrastructure as uh the staff recommended.","topics_json":"[]","vector_id":"vec_seg_98808_340","created_at":"2026-10-31T05:35:55Z","speaker_name":"David L. Anderson"},{"id":"seg_98808_341","meeting_id":"98808","media_asset_id":"med_98808_0590be389b225186","agenda_item_id":null,"speaker_id":"off_tricia_k_arndt","speaker_confidence":0.95,"start_sec":5819.37,"end_sec":5820.44,"text":"Second.","topics_json":"[]","vector_id":"vec_seg_98808_341","created_at":"2026-10-31T05:35:55Z","speaker_name":"Tricia K. Arndt"},{"id":"seg_98808_342","meeting_id":"98808","media_asset_id":"med_98808_0590be389b225186","agenda_item_id":null,"speaker_id":"off_andre_m_boggerty","speaker_confidence":0.95,"start_sec":5820.6,"end_sec":5834.96,"text":"It's been properly moved by Councilman Anderson and seconded by Miss Councilwoman Arndt to accept staff recommendation. Any questions or discussion on the motion? Hearing and seeing none, all those in favor, please state by saying aye.","topics_json":"[]","vector_id":"vec_seg_98808_342","created_at":"2026-10-31T05:35:55Z","speaker_name":"Andre M. 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Uh this particular development um was built as a private community, whereas the roads would not be uh dedicated to the city of Dover, however the water and","topics_json":"[\"housing\"]","vector_id":"vec_seg_98808_345","created_at":"2026-10-31T05:35:55Z","speaker_name":"Jason Lyon"},{"id":"seg_98808_346","meeting_id":"98808","media_asset_id":"med_98808_0590be389b225186","agenda_item_id":null,"speaker_id":"spk_98808_jason_lyon","speaker_confidence":0.9,"start_sec":5898.55,"end_sec":6057,"text":"wastewater were to be dedicated. In other words, they would be in easements for us to maintain. The roads were not built to the city standards, so they were not ever considered for dedication. So this was this this started getting built in the early 1990s. To my understanding, there was a little bit of delay with construction because there was a certain type of model house out there, specifically log cabin. So as time rolled on, there were items that needed to be addressed inside of the development for us to take over the ownership, i.e., hydrant height, valve box location, general things that have to be done as a punch list item. These things were kind of pushed off, and as development continued, there was some transition between the developer and the HOA, to my understanding. And so this kind of just dragged on and on and on and on through different ownership, and now finally there was a push from the ownership of the of the of the community to get this infrastructure dedicated so they don't have to worry about any breaks or any sort of expensive repairs. So we worked with the with the team at the HOA. We met with them a few times at some public meetings, explained to them what needed to be done as far as getting these infrastructure up to current standards as well as as-built uh as-built plans, videos of the sewer to make sure that what we're obtaining is not in disrepair. They they gained enough funds to get all the work done, provided all the information to us, and now we are satisfied with the infrastructure installation along with all the other requisite information. And we are respectfully requesting that this infrastructure be dedicated as originally intended in 1990-ish, so that the city would take ownership of this and take that responsibility off of the the now owners, which would be the HOA. I will add one quick note that the infrastructure that is listed on the the schedule of values is listed as 1994 dollars, because that was a year that we best know of installation. So that is our best information possible. Again, this will be used as part of our depreciation values for infrastructure that we obtain. It's a financial process. But in any event, I'd be happy to answer any questions about this.","topics_json":"[\"budget\"]","vector_id":"vec_seg_98808_346","created_at":"2026-10-31T05:35:55Z","speaker_name":"Jason Lyon"},{"id":"seg_98808_347","meeting_id":"98808","media_asset_id":"med_98808_0590be389b225186","agenda_item_id":null,"speaker_id":"off_gerald_l_rocha_sr","speaker_confidence":0.95,"start_sec":6057.07,"end_sec":6058.85,"text":"Any questions? Uh, Ms. Arndt, you're recognized.","topics_json":"[]","vector_id":"vec_seg_98808_347","created_at":"2026-10-31T05:35:55Z","speaker_name":"Gerald L. Rocha, Sr."},{"id":"seg_98808_348","meeting_id":"98808","media_asset_id":"med_98808_0590be389b225186","agenda_item_id":null,"speaker_id":"off_tricia_k_arndt","speaker_confidence":0.95,"start_sec":6058.85,"end_sec":6079.25,"text":"Recognizing me. So I I was I met with the community a couple times on-site and then you and I had attended an HOA meeting. I just want to thank you for continuing to work with this community. They were very concerned about finding the funding to get the the work done to bring it up to city standards in order for it to be dedicated. So I just want to thank you for your commitment and continuing to work with them and shepherding them through this process to get to this point, so I certainly am supportive and will vote in favor.","topics_json":"[\"budget\"]","vector_id":"vec_seg_98808_348","created_at":"2026-10-31T05:35:55Z","speaker_name":"Tricia K. 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Now imagine if you","topics_json":"[\"housing\",\"budget\"]","vector_id":"vec_seg_98808_35","created_at":"2026-10-31T05:35:54Z","speaker_name":null},{"id":"seg_98808_350","meeting_id":"98808","media_asset_id":"med_98808_0590be389b225186","agenda_item_id":null,"speaker_id":"off_tricia_k_arndt","speaker_confidence":0.95,"start_sec":6079.67,"end_sec":6082.66,"text":"And with that, I'll make a motion to accept staff recommendation for the dedication of the infrastructure.","topics_json":"[]","vector_id":"vec_seg_98808_350","created_at":"2026-10-31T05:35:55Z","speaker_name":"Tricia K. Arndt"},{"id":"seg_98808_351","meeting_id":"98808","media_asset_id":"med_98808_0590be389b225186","agenda_item_id":null,"speaker_id":"off_julia_m_pillsbury","speaker_confidence":0.9,"start_sec":6082.87,"end_sec":6083.8,"text":"Pillsbury seconds.","topics_json":"[]","vector_id":"vec_seg_98808_351","created_at":"2026-10-31T05:35:55Z","speaker_name":"Julia M. 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And if there's no other business for the Utility Committee, I'll turn it I will call the Utility Committee adjourned and turn it back over to our council president.","topics_json":"[]","vector_id":"vec_seg_98808_356","created_at":"2026-10-31T05:35:55Z","speaker_name":"Roy Sudler, Jr."},{"id":"seg_98808_357","meeting_id":"98808","media_asset_id":"med_98808_0590be389b225186","agenda_item_id":null,"speaker_id":"off_fred_a_neil","speaker_confidence":0.95,"start_sec":6104.28,"end_sec":6112.88,"text":"I now recognize Chairman David Anderson to conduct I now recognize chairman David Anderson to conduct the business of the Legislative, Finance, and Administration Committee. The floor is yours.","topics_json":"[]","vector_id":"vec_seg_98808_357","created_at":"2026-10-31T05:35:55Z","speaker_name":"Fred A. 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Rocha, Sr."},{"id":"seg_98808_363","meeting_id":"98808","media_asset_id":"med_98808_0590be389b225186","agenda_item_id":null,"speaker_id":"off_david_l_anderson","speaker_confidence":0.95,"start_sec":6171.85,"end_sec":6178.04,"text":"It moved by Mr. Shevock, seconded by Councilman Rocha. Is there any additions or discussion? Seeing none, all in favor?","topics_json":"[]","vector_id":"vec_seg_98808_363","created_at":"2026-10-31T05:35:55Z","speaker_name":"David L. 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My name is Matthew Carey. I'm the emergency communications manager for the Dover Police Department, and I have the privilege of serving as president for the AFSCME Union, Local 2356, here in Dover. Appreciate the opportunity to come before you this evening. Happy to answer any questions you all may have. This is my first time having an opportunity to speak with you all as a whole. I want to start by I know you get a lot of complaints. I have no complaints. Truthfully, this has been a council that has been very very giving to the employees, so I want to start by thanking you all for that. Doesn't mean we won't come ask for more, but, however, it has been a tremendous relationship as I've moved through the ranks of the AFSCME Union to here. Obviously, there's always things that we want more and you all would like to give us. We understand. So I just want to start by thanking you for that.","topics_json":"[\"public_safety\"]","vector_id":"vec_seg_98808_368","created_at":"2026-10-31T05:35:55Z","speaker_name":"Matthew Carey"},{"id":"seg_98808_369","meeting_id":"98808","media_asset_id":"med_98808_0590be389b225186","agenda_item_id":null,"speaker_id":"off_fred_a_neil","speaker_confidence":0.95,"start_sec":6266.04,"end_sec":6267.32,"text":"I move for adjournment.","topics_json":"[]","vector_id":"vec_seg_98808_369","created_at":"2026-10-31T05:35:55Z","speaker_name":"Fred A. Neil"},{"id":"seg_98808_37","meeting_id":"98808","media_asset_id":"med_98808_0590be389b225186","agenda_item_id":null,"speaker_id":"spk_98808_presenter","speaker_confidence":0.9,"start_sec":601.61,"end_sec":622.6,"text":"And so, when you look over time since 2010, we see that the financial pressure among households, it's been consistent. And populations have increased in Dover by 20%, but so has poverty by 25%. And you've got ALICE households, 31%. Again, this isn't just a short-term spike. Next slide.","topics_json":"[\"budget\",\"housing\"]","vector_id":"vec_seg_98808_37","created_at":"2026-10-31T05:35:54Z","speaker_name":null},{"id":"seg_98808_370","meeting_id":"98808","media_asset_id":"med_98808_0590be389b225186","agenda_item_id":null,"speaker_id":"spk_98808_matthew_carey","speaker_confidence":0.95,"start_sec":6268.46,"end_sec":6271.94,"text":"Well, the good comes with the bad, you know. It's people I think sometimes have unrealistic expectations, and they","topics_json":"[]","vector_id":"vec_seg_98808_370","created_at":"2026-10-31T05:35:55Z","speaker_name":"Matthew Carey"},{"id":"seg_98808_371","meeting_id":"98808","media_asset_id":"med_98808_0590be389b225186","agenda_item_id":null,"speaker_id":"off_fred_a_neil","speaker_confidence":0.95,"start_sec":6272.01,"end_sec":6274.22,"text":"I that was a joke for the record, so I won't get caught up in that.","topics_json":"[]","vector_id":"vec_seg_98808_371","created_at":"2026-10-31T05:35:55Z","speaker_name":"Fred A. Neil"},{"id":"seg_98808_372","meeting_id":"98808","media_asset_id":"med_98808_0590be389b225186","agenda_item_id":null,"speaker_id":"spk_98808_matthew_carey","speaker_confidence":0.95,"start_sec":6274.22,"end_sec":6278.42,"text":"I just want to be honest with you. I know you guys catch guys and girls catch a lot of grief up here, so I want to be truthful with you.","topics_json":"[]","vector_id":"vec_seg_98808_372","created_at":"2026-10-31T05:35:55Z","speaker_name":"Matthew Carey"},{"id":"seg_98808_373","meeting_id":"98808","media_asset_id":"med_98808_0590be389b225186","agenda_item_id":null,"speaker_id":"spk_98808_matthew_carey","speaker_confidence":0.95,"start_sec":6278.99,"end_sec":6291.79,"text":"Just to update you on some things going on with our union, currently, we sit at a 14.58 vacancy rate. I think a lot of that problem comes in because we have a lot of talented people here in the city, not just in the AFSCME union. I believe the 5% rule should be something you all should consider changing,","topics_json":"[]","vector_id":"vec_seg_98808_373","created_at":"2026-10-31T05:35:55Z","speaker_name":"Matthew Carey"},{"id":"seg_98808_374","meeting_id":"98808","media_asset_id":"med_98808_0590be389b225186","agenda_item_id":null,"speaker_id":"spk_98808_public_commenter","speaker_confidence":0.9,"start_sec":6291.79,"end_sec":6450.64,"text":"And what I'm talking about is in the city handbook under Article 3, the pay plan, section six. It seems to kind of handcuff the current employees to these 5% raises. I know I'm not the first person to come up here and talk about compression. There's been some reluctancy to assume managerial positions, promotional opportunities because they're like, \"Well, why would I do that?\" And it's no one's fault. It's just the rule. It's the policy. It's the way it is. Maybe it's something worth looking into and getting that 5% rule. Maybe a little more leeway for council, HR, you know, the city manager, something of that fort. I would just ask that you consider that. It would be valuable to retain our people. Recruitment's always good, but retention is better, especially in my union, because we are most of your middle tenured people, 10 to 20 years. So we're kind of in the middle of our careers, so it's really important for us to retain our our talent. We do have a strong desire to put the pension system back in place. I know that's been an on again, off again subject for the city, and I understand that some of the challenges that you all face with doing something like that. And without going into too much detail, because I know you can't, I would ask that we're supposed to have a educational session with the HR director and the city manager. We met on December 1st, all the union presidents, and then we were supposed to put together some educational material to put out to all the employees so they could help fill out that survey correctly this time. I think there was some inconsistencies and some opportunities missed in being able to get it out. So we met at the beginning of December. I certainly understand the holidays, and there's a lot of business for the city of Dover, but if we could really get that out and at least get going down the path of, \"Hey, is this what the employees really want?\" So we can quit wasting your time. Or, let's try and get it done. You got to know what we want to try and forge a path forward. So that's all I'm asking. It's just to get the information out to us. It's been silent since the beginning of December.","topics_json":"[\"budget\"]","vector_id":"vec_seg_98808_374","created_at":"2026-10-31T05:35:55Z","speaker_name":null},{"id":"seg_98808_375","meeting_id":"98808","media_asset_id":"med_98808_0590be389b225186","agenda_item_id":null,"speaker_id":"spk_98808_public_commenter","speaker_confidence":0.9,"start_sec":6451.66,"end_sec":6488.41,"text":"So with that, I just want to reiterate, communication's key. Last week I sent along a correspondence to all of you through the city clerk's office, hoping to resolve that in the near future. Just communicate. This is a great opportunity, but it doesn't always need to be like this. You can get up with me. I'd like to be able to get up with you. I understand there's limitations sometimes with how meetings have to be held, but I would just like to keep open lines of communication. Like I said, I started off, I told you the truth. This has been a good council to work with. I'm in my 19th year with the city, it hasn't always been that way. So thank you. I appreciate that. And if you have any questions for me, I'm happy to answer.","topics_json":"[\"budget\"]","vector_id":"vec_seg_98808_375","created_at":"2026-10-31T05:35:55Z","speaker_name":null},{"id":"seg_98808_376","meeting_id":"98808","media_asset_id":"med_98808_0590be389b225186","agenda_item_id":null,"speaker_id":"off_fred_a_neil","speaker_confidence":0.9,"start_sec":6450.79,"end_sec":6455.86,"text":"Thank you. Questions from members of the committee? All right. Councilwoman Arndt.","topics_json":"[]","vector_id":"vec_seg_98808_376","created_at":"2026-10-31T05:35:55Z","speaker_name":"Fred A. Neil"},{"id":"seg_98808_377","meeting_id":"98808","media_asset_id":"med_98808_0590be389b225186","agenda_item_id":null,"speaker_id":"off_tricia_k_arndt","speaker_confidence":0.95,"start_sec":6456,"end_sec":6462.62,"text":"Thank you. When you said educational materials, I think it missed I missed it. On the pension options, what what materials are you talking about?","topics_json":"[\"budget\"]","vector_id":"vec_seg_98808_377","created_at":"2026-10-31T05:35:55Z","speaker_name":"Tricia K. Arndt"},{"id":"seg_98808_378","meeting_id":"98808","media_asset_id":"med_98808_0590be389b225186","agenda_item_id":null,"speaker_id":"spk_98808_public_commenter","speaker_confidence":0.9,"start_sec":6463,"end_sec":6488.39,"text":"So there was a survey sent out in the fall to all the unions, and some of those went unresponded to. Some people just didn't receive it, didn't understand it. Some of the questions went unanswered. So myself, the IBEW president and the DOE president met with the assistant city manager, the HR director, and her team on December 1st. We all agreed that we would get together, put some informative packet together","topics_json":"[\"budget\"]","vector_id":"vec_seg_98808_378","created_at":"2026-10-31T05:35:55Z","speaker_name":null},{"id":"seg_98808_379","meeting_id":"98808","media_asset_id":"med_98808_0590be389b225186","agenda_item_id":null,"speaker_id":"spk_98808_mr_carey","speaker_confidence":0.9,"start_sec":6488.41,"end_sec":6497.5,"text":"whether it's slideshow, a short video, something of that nature. And when we got together and agreed to that, we were supposed to reconvene in January and approve that messaging before it went out, and that meeting has never happened.","topics_json":"[]","vector_id":"vec_seg_98808_379","created_at":"2026-10-31T05:35:55Z","speaker_name":"Mr. Carey"},{"id":"seg_98808_38","meeting_id":"98808","media_asset_id":"med_98808_0590be389b225186","agenda_item_id":null,"speaker_id":"spk_98808_presenter","speaker_confidence":0.9,"start_sec":623.01,"end_sec":647.59,"text":"Now, this I find really fascinating. I just took a ton of different kinds of wages, and I took that ALICE budget, household budget, used that to see how much people are short. So, if you were like me, I used to say, \"You know, I don't understand how someone making $20 an hour can't afford to live.\" And then when I started looking at the data, it was an eye-opener.","topics_json":"[\"budget\",\"housing\"]","vector_id":"vec_seg_98808_38","created_at":"2026-10-31T05:35:54Z","speaker_name":null},{"id":"seg_98808_380","meeting_id":"98808","media_asset_id":"med_98808_0590be389b225186","agenda_item_id":null,"speaker_id":"spk_98808_mr_carey","speaker_confidence":0.9,"start_sec":6498.42,"end_sec":6506.16,"text":"So, and that is just so we know, hey, here's all the questions we've been asked as union presidents. This is what we'd like to put out there so it's clear and concise. Do you want this or not? Do we need to fight for this or not?","topics_json":"[]","vector_id":"vec_seg_98808_380","created_at":"2026-10-31T05:35:55Z","speaker_name":"Mr. Carey"},{"id":"seg_98808_381","meeting_id":"98808","media_asset_id":"med_98808_0590be389b225186","agenda_item_id":null,"speaker_id":"off_tricia_k_arndt","speaker_confidence":0.9,"start_sec":6506.44,"end_sec":6512.69,"text":"Thank you. Sorry, I must have flaked out on that one. Um, and then just the 5% rule, I get it, the state, state employees are subject to that as well. It really is a pain.","topics_json":"[]","vector_id":"vec_seg_98808_381","created_at":"2026-10-31T05:35:55Z","speaker_name":"Tricia K. Arndt"},{"id":"seg_98808_382","meeting_id":"98808","media_asset_id":"med_98808_0590be389b225186","agenda_item_id":null,"speaker_id":"off_roy_sudler_jr","speaker_confidence":0.95,"start_sec":6513.61,"end_sec":6514.67,"text":"Councilman Rocha.","topics_json":"[]","vector_id":"vec_seg_98808_382","created_at":"2026-10-31T05:35:55Z","speaker_name":"Roy Sudler, Jr."},{"id":"seg_98808_383","meeting_id":"98808","media_asset_id":"med_98808_0590be389b225186","agenda_item_id":null,"speaker_id":"off_gerald_l_rocha_sr","speaker_confidence":0.95,"start_sec":6515.81,"end_sec":6523.12,"text":"Could you help me out with the 5% rule? I I just want to understand it a little better. I thought we kind of addressed this kind of last year, did we, or or was that with the non-bargaining folks?","topics_json":"[]","vector_id":"vec_seg_98808_383","created_at":"2026-10-31T05:35:55Z","speaker_name":"Gerald L. Rocha, Sr."},{"id":"seg_98808_384","meeting_id":"98808","media_asset_id":"med_98808_0590be389b225186","agenda_item_id":null,"speaker_id":"off_roy_sudler_jr","speaker_confidence":0.95,"start_sec":6524.18,"end_sec":6596.37,"text":"The the uh If I may, the uh the 5% will have to do well, I believe the one he's speaking of, it deals with promotions. And like, for instance, if someone takes over in the interim, uh and steps up and is an interim supervisor, whatever the the their promotion is, um they they can get It's a limit to how much of a uh raise they can get. And, uh you know, 5% is not a lot of difference for somebody taking on a lot more responsibility. So, uh there's been issues there. There's also uh another part where um but you can clarify. There's an another part to that as well that if it's below a certain threshold, you can get a little bit more, but but it is there Do you have any other additions to that, um Mr. Carey?","topics_json":"[]","vector_id":"vec_seg_98808_384","created_at":"2026-10-31T05:35:55Z","speaker_name":"Roy Sudler, Jr."},{"id":"seg_98808_385","meeting_id":"98808","media_asset_id":"med_98808_0590be389b225186","agenda_item_id":null,"speaker_id":"spk_98808_mr_carey","speaker_confidence":0.95,"start_sec":6597.01,"end_sec":6641.09,"text":"So, I don't want to read it word for word to you, but essentially, what's happening is we have people that are coming from DOE into AFSCME or AFSCME into non-bargaining positions. It's more than an AFSCME problem. It's a city problem. Extremely talented people that are currently employed with the City of Dover, and we get handcuffed with, \"I can only give you 5%,\" or if you this pay scale gives you 6%, well, that's all we can give you.","topics_json":"[]","vector_id":"vec_seg_98808_385","created_at":"2026-10-31T05:35:55Z","speaker_name":"Mr. Carey"},{"id":"seg_98808_386","meeting_id":"98808","media_asset_id":"med_98808_0590be389b225186","agenda_item_id":null,"speaker_id":"spk_98808_mr_carey","speaker_confidence":0.95,"start_sec":6641.66,"end_sec":6668.21,"text":"And obviously, we all welcome a raise, but sometimes there are some really talented people not getting the opportunity to grow, or, \"I'll just stay in this role because that 6%, I'll make that in a month in overtime staying in my current role.\" So then we compress. No one wants to be the leader. No one wants to move forward and progress with their career. It's extremely frustrating as someone who hires people and as someone who's trying to progress. And that is our union as a whole, because we're in the middle, the AFSCME union, the middle management for the most part. But um outside of that, DOE has the problem, we have the problem, non-bargaining has it. And then you end up seeing these people, they'll take the short-term gain, and then within six months, they're out the door.","topics_json":"[]","vector_id":"vec_seg_98808_386","created_at":"2026-10-31T05:35:55Z","speaker_name":"Mr. Carey"},{"id":"seg_98808_387","meeting_id":"98808","media_asset_id":"med_98808_0590be389b225186","agenda_item_id":null,"speaker_id":"off_gerald_l_rocha_sr","speaker_confidence":0.95,"start_sec":6668.63,"end_sec":6670.41,"text":"Because they they gain the experience so they can go somewhere else.","topics_json":"[]","vector_id":"vec_seg_98808_387","created_at":"2026-10-31T05:35:55Z","speaker_name":"Gerald L. Rocha, Sr."},{"id":"seg_98808_388","meeting_id":"98808","media_asset_id":"med_98808_0590be389b225186","agenda_item_id":null,"speaker_id":"spk_98808_mr_carey","speaker_confidence":0.95,"start_sec":6670.62,"end_sec":6685.03,"text":"We've paid for their training, we've given them this managerial experience, and now they go out the door. And we can't even sit down and have a conversation, because HR or whoever is making these decisions on the back end, they're they're stuck with this. Everyone doesn't deserve a 5% bump. Most people deserve more. Some","topics_json":"[]","vector_id":"vec_seg_98808_388","created_at":"2026-10-31T05:35:55Z","speaker_name":"Mr. Carey"},{"id":"seg_98808_389","meeting_id":"98808","media_asset_id":"med_98808_0590be389b225186","agenda_item_id":null,"speaker_id":"off_andre_m_boggerty","speaker_confidence":0.95,"start_sec":6685.03,"end_sec":6689.17,"text":"you're lucky to get this job. Like, let's be real. But-","topics_json":"[]","vector_id":"vec_seg_98808_389","created_at":"2026-10-31T05:35:55Z","speaker_name":"Andre M. Boggerty"},{"id":"seg_98808_39","meeting_id":"98808","media_asset_id":"med_98808_0590be389b225186","agenda_item_id":null,"speaker_id":"spk_98808_presenter","speaker_confidence":0.9,"start_sec":647.74,"end_sec":707.7,"text":"So, you can see that all the way down at the bottom you've got your restaurant workers, they're almost 50% short every single year. And it's just, and you could see the only ones that made out are the contractors and carpenters. So this is a pretty eye-opening slide. Next slide.","topics_json":"[\"budget\",\"housing\",\"business\"]","vector_id":"vec_seg_98808_39","created_at":"2026-10-31T05:35:54Z","speaker_name":null},{"id":"seg_98808_390","meeting_id":"98808","media_asset_id":"med_98808_0590be389b225186","agenda_item_id":null,"speaker_id":"spk_98808_unknown_speaker","speaker_confidence":0.5,"start_sec":6689.17,"end_sec":6690.17,"text":"Yeah.","topics_json":"[]","vector_id":"vec_seg_98808_390","created_at":"2026-10-31T05:35:55Z","speaker_name":null},{"id":"seg_98808_391","meeting_id":"98808","media_asset_id":"med_98808_0590be389b225186","agenda_item_id":null,"speaker_id":"off_andre_m_boggerty","speaker_confidence":0.95,"start_sec":6690.17,"end_sec":6692.45,"text":"for the most part, we're just handcuffing ourselves.","topics_json":"[]","vector_id":"vec_seg_98808_391","created_at":"2026-10-31T05:35:55Z","speaker_name":"Andre M. Boggerty"},{"id":"seg_98808_392","meeting_id":"98808","media_asset_id":"med_98808_0590be389b225186","agenda_item_id":null,"speaker_id":"off_gerald_l_rocha_sr","speaker_confidence":0.95,"start_sec":6692.45,"end_sec":6738.67,"text":"I- I would be I would be curious to see the gap in pay between taking the 5% and what the person that left that position was getting. Like, if it's a six-digit, $100,000, let's say, for the person that was working there and then they left, and then we're asking for somebody to move in on an interim, what that, were they making $70,000 and now we're only giving them 5%, and the person that left was getting $100,000, that that really does mean, I mean, you know, if they're going to do that work and then we want to incentivize them to maybe apply for the position, I think that, you know, the 5% bump wouldn't make sense. And- and- and I kind of understand where you're coming from. So that needs to be looked at, I think. Thank you.","topics_json":"[\"budget\"]","vector_id":"vec_seg_98808_392","created_at":"2026-10-31T05:35:55Z","speaker_name":"Gerald L. Rocha, Sr."},{"id":"seg_98808_393","meeting_id":"98808","media_asset_id":"med_98808_0590be389b225186","agenda_item_id":null,"speaker_id":"off_andre_m_boggerty","speaker_confidence":0.95,"start_sec":6738.67,"end_sec":6745.87,"text":"And that- and I'm happy to forward this information if you- but it's in the City Handbook, it's Article 3, the pay plan, section 6.","topics_json":"[]","vector_id":"vec_seg_98808_393","created_at":"2026-10-31T05:35:55Z","speaker_name":"Andre M. Boggerty"},{"id":"seg_98808_394","meeting_id":"98808","media_asset_id":"med_98808_0590be389b225186","agenda_item_id":null,"speaker_id":"off_gerald_l_rocha_sr","speaker_confidence":0.95,"start_sec":6745.87,"end_sec":6749.93,"text":"Okay. Thank you for uh that explanation. I- I yield.","topics_json":"[]","vector_id":"vec_seg_98808_394","created_at":"2026-10-31T05:35:55Z","speaker_name":"Gerald L. Rocha, Sr."},{"id":"seg_98808_395","meeting_id":"98808","media_asset_id":"med_98808_0590be389b225186","agenda_item_id":null,"speaker_id":"off_fred_a_neil","speaker_confidence":0.95,"start_sec":6749.93,"end_sec":6751.89,"text":"Chairman, thank you. Councilman Lewis.","topics_json":"[]","vector_id":"vec_seg_98808_395","created_at":"2026-10-31T05:35:55Z","speaker_name":"Fred A. Neil"},{"id":"seg_98808_396","meeting_id":"98808","media_asset_id":"med_98808_0590be389b225186","agenda_item_id":null,"speaker_id":"off_brian_e_lewis","speaker_confidence":0.95,"start_sec":6751.89,"end_sec":6811.07,"text":"You- you know me, family knows me, and I'm pretty much a straight shooter. Um I can tell you this that the council has had discussions on this, and I think we need to continue to have discussions on this uh for the, you know, well-being of all city employees. Um but the gloomy part of it, and I think, you know, Council President Neil will agree with me, we got a budget coming up, and um, you know, rumor is that, you know, it it it don't look- I don't I don't want to make any statements, you know, without going over the budget, but we have to look at the budget first. Let's put it that way. Or let me put it to you that way, because um you've got to remember like we report to the taxpayers and constituents, so nobody wants to raise taxes. But I hear where you're coming from. I was a union rep, so I think we definitely have to have more discussion on this. But thanks for coming tonight.","topics_json":"[\"budget\",\"taxes\"]","vector_id":"vec_seg_98808_396","created_at":"2026-10-31T05:35:55Z","speaker_name":"Brian E. Lewis"},{"id":"seg_98808_397","meeting_id":"98808","media_asset_id":"med_98808_0590be389b225186","agenda_item_id":null,"speaker_id":"off_fred_a_neil","speaker_confidence":0.95,"start_sec":6811.07,"end_sec":6813.55,"text":"Thanks. Can you dialogue with Mr. Lewis?","topics_json":"[]","vector_id":"vec_seg_98808_397","created_at":"2026-10-31T05:35:55Z","speaker_name":"Fred A. Neil"},{"id":"seg_98808_398","meeting_id":"98808","media_asset_id":"med_98808_0590be389b225186","agenda_item_id":null,"speaker_id":"off_gerald_l_rocha_sr","speaker_confidence":0.95,"start_sec":6813.55,"end_sec":6860.79,"text":"Yes, Mr. Chairman. Thank you. So, to me in reference to that, it makes sense. But it to me the budget line is already there. Uh unless unless I'm speaking, right, the budget line for that $100,000, let me just use as an as an example, and then that person leaves and then the number two or somebody that's been with the city could take it as an interim, and let's say they're making 70, I don't know what the numbers are, right? $70- or $80,000, but that 5% bump brings them up to 83 or whatever that number is, there's still that, subtract the 100 from the 83, that's still money that was already budgeted. So, I don't think it would put a strain per se on the budget.","topics_json":"[\"budget\"]","vector_id":"vec_seg_98808_398","created_at":"2026-10-31T05:35:55Z","speaker_name":"Gerald L. Rocha, Sr."},{"id":"seg_98808_399","meeting_id":"98808","media_asset_id":"med_98808_0590be389b225186","agenda_item_id":null,"speaker_id":"off_brian_e_lewis","speaker_confidence":0.95,"start_sec":6860.79,"end_sec":6881.63,"text":"I- I know and I Yeah, and I- and I know, and I- I think I've brought up this question to uh Ms. Mori um when she and uh our HR director came up and spoke a couple of months ago, um and uh I I think, you know, the question I asked is um, you know, because I think they were talking about, because they were not filling jobs and they were using that money for not-","topics_json":"[\"budget\"]","vector_id":"vec_seg_98808_399","created_at":"2026-10-31T05:35:55Z","speaker_name":"Brian E. Lewis"},{"id":"seg_98808_4","meeting_id":"98808","media_asset_id":"med_98808_0590be389b225186","agenda_item_id":null,"speaker_id":"off_david_l_anderson","speaker_confidence":0.9,"start_sec":23.5,"end_sec":24.4,"text":"Second.","topics_json":"[]","vector_id":"vec_seg_98808_4","created_at":"2026-10-31T05:35:54Z","speaker_name":"David L. Anderson"},{"id":"seg_98808_40","meeting_id":"98808","media_asset_id":"med_98808_0590be389b225186","agenda_item_id":null,"speaker_id":"spk_98808_presenter","speaker_confidence":0.9,"start_sec":708.11,"end_sec":743.11,"text":"This one's one of my favorites. So, what this does is it says if your household earns 78,430 and you are, say, let's say you're a civil engineer and you're making 99,000, based on the 30% rule, that person can afford a rent of 2,450. Okay. Or a home price of 294, 294,000. But if your median home price in Dover, Kent County, is 365,000, even people that make good salaries like civil engineers--","topics_json":"[\"housing\",\"budget\"]","vector_id":"vec_seg_98808_40","created_at":"2026-10-31T05:35:54Z","speaker_name":null},{"id":"seg_98808_400","meeting_id":"98808","media_asset_id":"med_98808_0590be389b225186","agenda_item_id":null,"speaker_id":"off_andre_m_boggerty","speaker_confidence":0.95,"start_sec":6881.65,"end_sec":6902.07,"text":"filling jobs, but I just want to make sure that the money's there on what's going to happen when we do fill the job. Are we going to be in a deficit because we're using that money from a job we didn't fill? But then the job that we're not filling is not going away from my understanding, and it's still out there posted. So what's going to happen, you know, how is that going to affect the budget when we have to fill that job, you know, if we're using it? You understand what I'm saying? And like I said, I think we have to have more dialogue on this.","topics_json":"[\"budget\"]","vector_id":"vec_seg_98808_400","created_at":"2026-10-31T05:35:55Z","speaker_name":"Andre M. Boggerty"},{"id":"seg_98808_401","meeting_id":"98808","media_asset_id":"med_98808_0590be389b225186","agenda_item_id":null,"speaker_id":"off_david_l_anderson","speaker_confidence":0.95,"start_sec":6902.07,"end_sec":6905.25,"text":"Oh, yeah, absolutely. We've got to see the numbers, for sure. Yeah, I agree. Thank you. I yield.","topics_json":"[\"budget\"]","vector_id":"vec_seg_98808_401","created_at":"2026-10-31T05:35:55Z","speaker_name":"David L. Anderson"},{"id":"seg_98808_402","meeting_id":"98808","media_asset_id":"med_98808_0590be389b225186","agenda_item_id":null,"speaker_id":"off_roy_sudler_jr","speaker_confidence":0.95,"start_sec":6905.25,"end_sec":6907.44,"text":"Anyone else? Yes, Councilman Neil.","topics_json":"[]","vector_id":"vec_seg_98808_402","created_at":"2026-10-31T05:35:55Z","speaker_name":"Roy Sudler, Jr."},{"id":"seg_98808_403","meeting_id":"98808","media_asset_id":"med_98808_0590be389b225186","agenda_item_id":null,"speaker_id":"off_fred_a_neil","speaker_confidence":0.95,"start_sec":6907.44,"end_sec":7023.98,"text":"Yeah, thank you. You've already mentioned, they've already mentioned my name is. We need to look at a number of issues dealing with HR. And this whole area that has sometimes just gone away way out of where we anticipated, whether we can do something within this upcoming budget. Well, we have to discuss it after this coming up budget when we see what we're looking at, because we know this is where we're making these discussions. So if we can't fit it in at this time, because it has to be, I think, a wide, wider range discussions, dealing whether it's pensions, or why we're having so much trouble in getting people in for jobs. I mean, there's some jobs, one job that was out for for 2023. Is that the problem, or was it something else the problem? So, I think we're going to have to grasp this and work on it. So it will happen, and how it's going to happen, I can't necessarily promise you, except that it will happen because there's other issues, I think, that we're dealing with, with HR. And so we'll take a look at it so that we can see if we can find that happy medium, because we did pump up a whole lot of of jobs and change the whole structure to make sure that we were looking after employees. So we'll have to take a look, another look at it. That is the only thing I can promise you, and I yield, Mr. Chairman.","topics_json":"[\"budget\"]","vector_id":"vec_seg_98808_403","created_at":"2026-10-31T05:35:55Z","speaker_name":"Fred A. Neil"},{"id":"seg_98808_404","meeting_id":"98808","media_asset_id":"med_98808_0590be389b225186","agenda_item_id":null,"speaker_id":"off_roy_sudler_jr","speaker_confidence":0.95,"start_sec":7023.98,"end_sec":7026.17,"text":"Thank you. Anyone else online? All right.","topics_json":"[]","vector_id":"vec_seg_98808_404","created_at":"2026-10-31T05:35:55Z","speaker_name":"Roy Sudler, Jr."},{"id":"seg_98808_405","meeting_id":"98808","media_asset_id":"med_98808_0590be389b225186","agenda_item_id":null,"speaker_id":"off_roy_sudler_jr","speaker_confidence":0.95,"start_sec":7026.17,"end_sec":7046.58,"text":"If, thank you so much. And thank you for taking your time and we look forward to, uh, eventually hearing from all four. Um, we we had one that we put last because they're in active negotiations. That wasn't a disrespect to them, but obviously, the purpose for this is to have a dialogue outside of labor negotiations. And I want to thank all of you for participating and we'll look forward to hearing from each of you. Thank you so much.","topics_json":"[]","vector_id":"vec_seg_98808_405","created_at":"2026-10-31T05:35:55Z","speaker_name":"Roy Sudler, Jr."},{"id":"seg_98808_406","meeting_id":"98808","media_asset_id":"med_98808_0590be389b225186","agenda_item_id":null,"speaker_id":"spk_98808_public_speaker","speaker_confidence":0.9,"start_sec":7046.58,"end_sec":7048.17,"text":"Thank you for the opportunity. Have a good night. Thank you.","topics_json":"[]","vector_id":"vec_seg_98808_406","created_at":"2026-10-31T05:35:55Z","speaker_name":null},{"id":"seg_98808_407","meeting_id":"98808","media_asset_id":"med_98808_0590be389b225186","agenda_item_id":null,"speaker_id":"off_roy_sudler_jr","speaker_confidence":0.95,"start_sec":7048.17,"end_sec":7051.82,"text":"Appreciate you. Thank you. Is there any other business? Yes, uh, Councilman Boggerty.","topics_json":"[]","vector_id":"vec_seg_98808_407","created_at":"2026-10-31T05:35:55Z","speaker_name":"Roy Sudler, Jr."},{"id":"seg_98808_408","meeting_id":"98808","media_asset_id":"med_98808_0590be389b225186","agenda_item_id":null,"speaker_id":"off_andre_m_boggerty","speaker_confidence":0.95,"start_sec":7051.82,"end_sec":7078.27,"text":"Yesterday, you texted me because I humbly admitted that I didn't recognize your military service during my prayer. I would not want to offend the great David Anderson who has saved the world. And council president. So, for all of those who I omitted because I was just in the moment,","topics_json":"[]","vector_id":"vec_seg_98808_408","created_at":"2026-10-31T05:35:55Z","speaker_name":"Andre M. 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So you can see, like for instance, the other thing is if that person needs, like the 588 a month, that person, just say they make minimum wage, they still have to work 61 hours to get a one-bedroom that's affordable. So all this is in your handout, but it's astonishing when you actually put a job to a person to how much they have to spend. It is, and that's why I'm saying next time you do a drive-in and get something, you know, to takeout, or you're getting your blood drawn--","topics_json":"[\"housing\",\"budget\",\"business\"]","vector_id":"vec_seg_98808_41","created_at":"2026-10-31T05:35:54Z","speaker_name":null},{"id":"seg_98808_410","meeting_id":"98808","media_asset_id":"med_98808_0590be389b225186","agenda_item_id":null,"speaker_id":"spk_98808_unknown_speaker","speaker_confidence":0.6,"start_sec":7089.46,"end_sec":7095.36,"text":"Amen. Is it intentional that you get... Not at all. 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Please.","topics_json":"[]","vector_id":"vec_seg_98808_412","created_at":"2026-10-31T05:35:55Z","speaker_name":"Roy Sudler, Jr."},{"id":"seg_98808_413","meeting_id":"98808","media_asset_id":"med_98808_0590be389b225186","agenda_item_id":null,"speaker_id":"off_roy_sudler_jr","speaker_confidence":0.95,"start_sec":7117.26,"end_sec":7122.76,"text":"Yes, and that name, address for the record since you're not on the sheet, please. Mr. Murphy.","topics_json":"[]","vector_id":"vec_seg_98808_413","created_at":"2026-10-31T05:35:55Z","speaker_name":"Roy Sudler, Jr."},{"id":"seg_98808_414","meeting_id":"98808","media_asset_id":"med_98808_0590be389b225186","agenda_item_id":null,"speaker_id":"spk_98808_bob_murphy","speaker_confidence":0.95,"start_sec":7122.76,"end_sec":7125.06,"text":"I'll try to be really brief.","topics_json":"[]","vector_id":"vec_seg_98808_414","created_at":"2026-10-31T05:35:55Z","speaker_name":"Bob Murphy"},{"id":"seg_98808_415","meeting_id":"98808","media_asset_id":"med_98808_0590be389b225186","agenda_item_id":null,"speaker_id":"off_roy_sudler_jr","speaker_confidence":0.95,"start_sec":7125.06,"end_sec":7128.36,"text":"Ha, if you can keep it in three minutes, might be...","topics_json":"[]","vector_id":"vec_seg_98808_415","created_at":"2026-10-31T05:35:55Z","speaker_name":"Roy Sudler, Jr."},{"id":"seg_98808_416","meeting_id":"98808","media_asset_id":"med_98808_0590be389b225186","agenda_item_id":null,"speaker_id":"spk_98808_bob_murphy","speaker_confidence":0.95,"start_sec":7128.36,"end_sec":7131.86,"text":"Three minutes? Thank you. I don't have a watch, so there we go.","topics_json":"[]","vector_id":"vec_seg_98808_416","created_at":"2026-10-31T05:35:55Z","speaker_name":"Bob Murphy"},{"id":"seg_98808_417","meeting_id":"98808","media_asset_id":"med_98808_0590be389b225186","agenda_item_id":null,"speaker_id":"spk_98808_bob_murphy","speaker_confidence":0.95,"start_sec":7131.86,"end_sec":7274.86,"text":"My name is Bob Murphy. I don't live in the town limits of your fine town, I do live in Milford, and my wife and I are landowners of the proposed Little Living project. And I just wanted to say congratulations to you for doing something that I've never seen before. That is members sitting there discussing with the people that have come before you asking sensible, common sense questions. And I will be brief. But this is 2007 comprehensive plan from Kent County. I'm sure you're probably Most of you are aware of it. Maybe you weren't. Here. 2018 and all the tabbed pages. And what I'm going to ask you is that you've already taken a step that the county hasn't done. This is all mentions of affordable housing and actual polls from the public what the public wanted to see done. You are already doing it. You have already acknowledged that you're going to work with the State Highway Adminis- I mean, the Delaware State Housing Authority, the town of Dover, six other municipalities in Sussex County. Kent County said, \"No, that's okay, we got this.\" The bottom line is what I'm going to do is take the opportunity I can to go to any podium or speak to anyone about what's happening in Kent County and hopefully enough people will learn, listen, and understand. I've discussed this with Councilman Anderson. Information is critical. It involves both facts and rumor. Rumor will kill any idea that comes down the pike. The nomenclature that these people have discussed tonight, Dr. Tiney, who I've now met and know about her; George Mongold, the president of Little Living, when he sat at my dining room table with my wife and I, and said, \"I have a dream, and I'd like to fulfill my dream on your property,\" which was already zoned BG, everything you could imagine under the sun in Kent County. And he said, \"I'm not too sure I can meet what you want for this property, cuz it is BG and we've had a lot of offers for it, well, well, a half a mile from the DE Turf.\" And I said to him, \"Let's see what you got in mind, and see if we can meet in the middle.\" My","topics_json":"[\"housing\",\"zoning\"]","vector_id":"vec_seg_98808_417","created_at":"2026-10-31T05:35:55Z","speaker_name":"Bob Murphy"},{"id":"seg_98808_418","meeting_id":"98808","media_asset_id":"med_98808_0590be389b225186","agenda_item_id":null,"speaker_id":"spk_98808_public_commenter","speaker_confidence":0.95,"start_sec":7274.88,"end_sec":7294.57,"text":"My wife and I are partners with Little Living. There's the money. We get nothing for many, many years. The whole idea, as the president acknowledged, it takes a lot of money. And the reason why you don't see these developments more is because what is it, 35, 40% of the cost of a home today is the land, the site work, and all those other things. Mike Riemann has said it with the Delaware Home Builders Association. And the bottom line is, again, fair and equitable is what takes place.","topics_json":"[\"housing\",\"budget\"]","vector_id":"vec_seg_98808_418","created_at":"2026-10-31T05:35:55Z","speaker_name":null},{"id":"seg_98808_419","meeting_id":"98808","media_asset_id":"med_98808_0590be389b225186","agenda_item_id":null,"speaker_id":"spk_98808_public_commenter","speaker_confidence":0.95,"start_sec":7295.06,"end_sec":7310.84,"text":"When you consider density and sprawl, those two things go together, but they mean entirely different things. In Kent County, 3.5 homes—whoever came up with the .5, I still don't understand. When builders look at where they want to put a theater, they figure 2.5 seats in a theater. I don't know who sits in that .5 seat. But Kent County does the same: 3.5 houses on an acre.","topics_json":"[\"housing\",\"zoning\"]","vector_id":"vec_seg_98808_419","created_at":"2026-10-31T05:35:55Z","speaker_name":null},{"id":"seg_98808_42","meeting_id":"98808","media_asset_id":"med_98808_0590be389b225186","agenda_item_id":null,"speaker_id":"spk_98808_dr_tiny","speaker_confidence":0.9,"start_sec":786.47,"end_sec":792.17,"text":"um just have a conversation. It is an eye-opener. Trust me, I've done it a lot. Uh next slide.","topics_json":"[\"housing\"]","vector_id":"vec_seg_98808_42","created_at":"2026-10-31T05:35:54Z","speaker_name":"Dr. Tiny"},{"id":"seg_98808_420","meeting_id":"98808","media_asset_id":"med_98808_0590be389b225186","agenda_item_id":null,"speaker_id":"spk_98808_public_commenter","speaker_confidence":0.95,"start_sec":7311.33,"end_sec":7347.67,"text":"Those things are driven by a rule of thumb of a 2,500 square-foot house. Do the math. I'm not real good at it, but basically it comes down to something like this: if you did the homes at that amount, you'd come up with 7,500 square feet of livable space on an acre. To take that same formula—and that's what we're talking about, the formula—","topics_json":"[\"housing\",\"zoning\"]","vector_id":"vec_seg_98808_420","created_at":"2026-10-31T05:35:55Z","speaker_name":null},{"id":"seg_98808_421","meeting_id":"98808","media_asset_id":"med_98808_0590be389b225186","agenda_item_id":null,"speaker_id":"spk_98808_public_commenter","speaker_confidence":0.95,"start_sec":7350.21,"end_sec":7367.54,"text":"and say to someone who wants to build Little Living homes or anything along these lines, cottage homes, workforce homes, between 450 to 800 square feet. So for the purpose of discussing it with you, I used the larger number, 800 square feet. Little Living could put nine of them on an acre and still be just shy of the 7,500 square feet for normal-size homes, if you follow my math.","topics_json":"[\"housing\",\"zoning\"]","vector_id":"vec_seg_98808_421","created_at":"2026-10-31T05:35:55Z","speaker_name":null},{"id":"seg_98808_422","meeting_id":"98808","media_asset_id":"med_98808_0590be389b225186","agenda_item_id":null,"speaker_id":"spk_98808_public_commenter","speaker_confidence":0.95,"start_sec":7367.97,"end_sec":7401.57,"text":"That's why when Dr. Turney said they're putting 20 homes on two acres down in Georgetown, first thing the average person goes, \"20 homes on two acres? Are you kidding me?\" You got to picture it. You got to see it.","topics_json":"[\"housing\",\"zoning\"]","vector_id":"vec_seg_98808_422","created_at":"2026-10-31T05:35:55Z","speaker_name":null},{"id":"seg_98808_423","meeting_id":"98808","media_asset_id":"med_98808_0590be389b225186","agenda_item_id":null,"speaker_id":"spk_98808_public_commenter","speaker_confidence":0.95,"start_sec":7402.01,"end_sec":7420.39,"text":"Tiny Home Tours on Facebook is a site for you to look up, councilmen. Um it's wonderful. It shows these things throughout the country. Has nothing to do with just here, and you can see what these things look like. They're villages. I call them villages, a lot of people call them villages. Walking paths, bike paths, a community center with a pool. There's a big one in Rehoboth Beach, I think it's called Sea Colony or Sea-something. It is beautiful.","topics_json":"[\"housing\",\"zoning\"]","vector_id":"vec_seg_98808_423","created_at":"2026-10-31T05:35:55Z","speaker_name":null},{"id":"seg_98808_424","meeting_id":"98808","media_asset_id":"med_98808_0590be389b225186","agenda_item_id":null,"speaker_id":"spk_98808_public_commenter","speaker_confidence":0.95,"start_sec":7420.39,"end_sec":7461.75,"text":"Um so what I wanted to say to you all tonight was basic- basically that. I can only commend you on what you're doing already to take these steps and move in that direction, because what you're talking about, when you said a pilot program, councilmen, I call a proof of concept. Give me a piece of property, let's try this thing out, and if it works, then we just start duplicating it.","topics_json":"[\"housing\",\"zoning\"]","vector_id":"vec_seg_98808_424","created_at":"2026-10-31T05:35:55Z","speaker_name":null},{"id":"seg_98808_425","meeting_id":"98808","media_asset_id":"med_98808_0590be389b225186","agenda_item_id":null,"speaker_id":"spk_98808_public_commenter","speaker_confidence":0.95,"start_sec":7461.94,"end_sec":7471.5,"text":"But I cannot see for the life of me—and I can't go into too much, because Little Living is still fighting with the county, another story—but I will tell you this much: I have a problem when someone says, on that side of the road, you can build a microbrewery, you can have a housing development where the homes start at","topics_json":"[\"housing\",\"zoning\",\"business\"]","vector_id":"vec_seg_98808_425","created_at":"2026-10-31T05:35:55Z","speaker_name":null},{"id":"seg_98808_426","meeting_id":"98808","media_asset_id":"med_98808_0590be389b225186","agenda_item_id":null,"speaker_id":"spk_98808_mr_murphy","speaker_confidence":0.9,"start_sec":7471.5,"end_sec":7492.99,"text":"$400,000 a square, a a home, and build 460-some homes. We're absolutely on the opposite side of the road, and we can't build a village for the people who need them the most. The people who need the most voice are the ones who don't have the opportunity to come to this podium. So I have to do it. I thank you for your time. I'll answer any questions if I can, but I really appreciate, as a council, what you're already trying to take under. And maybe when you all get going, maybe Dover will catch up if I'm still alive.","topics_json":"[\"housing\",\"homelessness\"]","vector_id":"vec_seg_98808_426","created_at":"2026-10-31T05:35:55Z","speaker_name":"Mr. Murphy"},{"id":"seg_98808_427","meeting_id":"98808","media_asset_id":"med_98808_0590be389b225186","agenda_item_id":null,"speaker_id":"off_gerald_l_rocha_sr","speaker_confidence":0.95,"start_sec":7492.99,"end_sec":7494.66,"text":"Thank you, Mr. Murphy. Any questions?","topics_json":"[]","vector_id":"vec_seg_98808_427","created_at":"2026-10-31T05:35:55Z","speaker_name":"Gerald L. Rocha, Sr."},{"id":"seg_98808_428","meeting_id":"98808","media_asset_id":"med_98808_0590be389b225186","agenda_item_id":null,"speaker_id":"spk_98808_mr_murphy","speaker_confidence":0.9,"start_sec":7494.66,"end_sec":7496.03,"text":"Any questions? I'd be happy to answer.","topics_json":"[]","vector_id":"vec_seg_98808_428","created_at":"2026-10-31T05:35:55Z","speaker_name":"Mr. Murphy"},{"id":"seg_98808_429","meeting_id":"98808","media_asset_id":"med_98808_0590be389b225186","agenda_item_id":null,"speaker_id":"off_gerald_l_rocha_sr","speaker_confidence":0.95,"start_sec":7496.03,"end_sec":7496.65,"text":"Okay.","topics_json":"[]","vector_id":"vec_seg_98808_429","created_at":"2026-10-31T05:35:55Z","speaker_name":"Gerald L. Rocha, Sr."},{"id":"seg_98808_43","meeting_id":"98808","media_asset_id":"med_98808_0590be389b225186","agenda_item_id":null,"speaker_id":"spk_98808_dr_tiny","speaker_confidence":0.9,"start_sec":792.17,"end_sec":813.37,"text":"This is another thing that's really important. So we talked about 30% income and that's down at the the red, down at the bottom. So the the left side of your screen has how many households there are, whereas the right shows you how much available and affordable housing there is here in Dover.","topics_json":"[\"housing\"]","vector_id":"vec_seg_98808_43","created_at":"2026-10-31T05:35:54Z","speaker_name":"Dr. Tiny"},{"id":"seg_98808_430","meeting_id":"98808","media_asset_id":"med_98808_0590be389b225186","agenda_item_id":null,"speaker_id":"spk_98808_mr_murphy","speaker_confidence":0.9,"start_sec":7496.65,"end_sec":7497.15,"text":"Well, thank you.","topics_json":"[]","vector_id":"vec_seg_98808_430","created_at":"2026-10-31T05:35:55Z","speaker_name":"Mr. Murphy"},{"id":"seg_98808_431","meeting_id":"98808","media_asset_id":"med_98808_0590be389b225186","agenda_item_id":null,"speaker_id":"off_gerald_l_rocha_sr","speaker_confidence":0.95,"start_sec":7497.15,"end_sec":7498.89,"text":"Look forward to continuing the dialogue.","topics_json":"[]","vector_id":"vec_seg_98808_431","created_at":"2026-10-31T05:35:55Z","speaker_name":"Gerald L. Rocha, Sr."},{"id":"seg_98808_432","meeting_id":"98808","media_asset_id":"med_98808_0590be389b225186","agenda_item_id":null,"speaker_id":"spk_98808_mr_murphy","speaker_confidence":0.9,"start_sec":7498.89,"end_sec":7499.45,"text":"Thank you, sir.","topics_json":"[]","vector_id":"vec_seg_98808_432","created_at":"2026-10-31T05:35:55Z","speaker_name":"Mr. Murphy"},{"id":"seg_98808_433","meeting_id":"98808","media_asset_id":"med_98808_0590be389b225186","agenda_item_id":null,"speaker_id":"off_gerald_l_rocha_sr","speaker_confidence":0.95,"start_sec":7499.45,"end_sec":7507.4,"text":"Anyone? Yeah, please, come forward, uh. Thank you. Well, you'll have to wait till you get to the mic. Thank you, Mrs. Anderson. Thank you. Uh, just wait till you get to the mic, please. Thank you.","topics_json":"[]","vector_id":"vec_seg_98808_433","created_at":"2026-10-31T05:35:55Z","speaker_name":"Gerald L. Rocha, Sr."},{"id":"seg_98808_434","meeting_id":"98808","media_asset_id":"med_98808_0590be389b225186","agenda_item_id":null,"speaker_id":"spk_98808_jeannie_anderson","speaker_confidence":0.95,"start_sec":7507.4,"end_sec":7533.67,"text":"I have a quick question, but I'm going to make it quick. My name is—","topics_json":"[]","vector_id":"vec_seg_98808_434","created_at":"2026-10-31T05:35:55Z","speaker_name":"Jeannie Anderson"},{"id":"seg_98808_435","meeting_id":"98808","media_asset_id":"med_98808_0590be389b225186","agenda_item_id":null,"speaker_id":"spk_98808_council_member","speaker_confidence":0.7,"start_sec":7533.67,"end_sec":7534.47,"text":"Name and address for the record.","topics_json":"[]","vector_id":"vec_seg_98808_435","created_at":"2026-10-31T05:35:55Z","speaker_name":null},{"id":"seg_98808_436","meeting_id":"98808","media_asset_id":"med_98808_0590be389b225186","agenda_item_id":null,"speaker_id":"spk_98808_jeannie_anderson","speaker_confidence":0.95,"start_sec":7534.47,"end_sec":7535.28,"text":"My name is Jeannie Anderson.","topics_json":"[]","vector_id":"vec_seg_98808_436","created_at":"2026-10-31T05:35:55Z","speaker_name":"Jeannie Anderson"},{"id":"seg_98808_437","meeting_id":"98808","media_asset_id":"med_98808_0590be389b225186","agenda_item_id":null,"speaker_id":"off_david_l_anderson","speaker_confidence":0.95,"start_sec":7535.28,"end_sec":7536.21,"text":"We got your address on the record.","topics_json":"[]","vector_id":"vec_seg_98808_437","created_at":"2026-10-31T05:35:55Z","speaker_name":"David L. Anderson"},{"id":"seg_98808_438","meeting_id":"98808","media_asset_id":"med_98808_0590be389b225186","agenda_item_id":null,"speaker_id":"spk_98808_jeannie_anderson","speaker_confidence":0.95,"start_sec":7536.21,"end_sec":7541.37,"text":"Um, I I have a question. I don't know if it's already been brought up because I'm running late. But I've been thinking about the situation with the fire department. Is is that allowed to be brought up tonight?","topics_json":"[\"public_safety\"]","vector_id":"vec_seg_98808_438","created_at":"2026-10-31T05:35:55Z","speaker_name":"Jeannie Anderson"},{"id":"seg_98808_439","meeting_id":"98808","media_asset_id":"med_98808_0590be389b225186","agenda_item_id":null,"speaker_id":"off_gerald_l_rocha_sr","speaker_confidence":0.95,"start_sec":7541.37,"end_sec":7544.04,"text":"Um, is that uh actually not on the agenda tonight.","topics_json":"[]","vector_id":"vec_seg_98808_439","created_at":"2026-10-31T05:35:55Z","speaker_name":"Gerald L. Rocha, Sr."},{"id":"seg_98808_44","meeting_id":"98808","media_asset_id":"med_98808_0590be389b225186","agenda_item_id":null,"speaker_id":"spk_98808_dr_tiny","speaker_confidence":0.9,"start_sec":813.37,"end_sec":839.47,"text":"So basically you are at a loss. So when somebody says, \"Oh yeah, I looked at this and the total is, oh, we're at a net net gain of 370.\" Oh no, no, no. You've got to look at how much the area median income person is. So that, you've got a shortage of about a thousand houses, units. Even those that are 30 to 50%, you still have a shortage of 435.","topics_json":"[\"housing\"]","vector_id":"vec_seg_98808_44","created_at":"2026-10-31T05:35:54Z","speaker_name":"Dr. Tiny"},{"id":"seg_98808_440","meeting_id":"98808","media_asset_id":"med_98808_0590be389b225186","agenda_item_id":null,"speaker_id":"spk_98808_jeannie_anderson","speaker_confidence":0.95,"start_sec":7544.04,"end_sec":7544.41,"text":"Okay.","topics_json":"[]","vector_id":"vec_seg_98808_440","created_at":"2026-10-31T05:35:55Z","speaker_name":"Jeannie Anderson"},{"id":"seg_98808_441","meeting_id":"98808","media_asset_id":"med_98808_0590be389b225186","agenda_item_id":null,"speaker_id":"off_gerald_l_rocha_sr","speaker_confidence":0.95,"start_sec":7544.41,"end_sec":7546.21,"text":"Are you are you talking about the uh—","topics_json":"[]","vector_id":"vec_seg_98808_441","created_at":"2026-10-31T05:35:55Z","speaker_name":"Gerald L. 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Rocha, Sr."},{"id":"seg_98808_444","meeting_id":"98808","media_asset_id":"med_98808_0590be389b225186","agenda_item_id":null,"speaker_id":"spk_98808_jeannie_anderson","speaker_confidence":0.95,"start_sec":7548.69,"end_sec":7549.19,"text":"Yes.","topics_json":"[]","vector_id":"vec_seg_98808_444","created_at":"2026-10-31T05:35:55Z","speaker_name":"Jeannie Anderson"},{"id":"seg_98808_445","meeting_id":"98808","media_asset_id":"med_98808_0590be389b225186","agenda_item_id":null,"speaker_id":"off_gerald_l_rocha_sr","speaker_confidence":0.95,"start_sec":7549.19,"end_sec":7552.11,"text":"—for to allow uh police to lease uh office in there?","topics_json":"[\"public_safety\"]","vector_id":"vec_seg_98808_445","created_at":"2026-10-31T05:35:55Z","speaker_name":"Gerald L. Rocha, Sr."},{"id":"seg_98808_446","meeting_id":"98808","media_asset_id":"med_98808_0590be389b225186","agenda_item_id":null,"speaker_id":"spk_98808_jeannie_anderson","speaker_confidence":0.95,"start_sec":7552.11,"end_sec":7661.97,"text":"Yes. I was wondering um if the council could consider this um because we're having problems with the fire department and the People's Church. I was wondering if there's any way, because I know that we've talked about this because I was at the meeting before, they the police station said that the portable, whatever it was, mobile police would be very cost-prohibitive. So I'm wondering, we already have the People's Place, and then we have the fire department, too. I'm wondering if there's any way, because there's a lot of problems in that area, if we could get the police in that area like permanently, because maybe it would cut down on the crime, because I've been thinking about this a lot, because like I don't live too far from there myself. And I was wondering if maybe if the police would be interested in that, and I know Pastor Hodge um would probably be interested in that, too. But we need um the the VA person isn't in that building anymore, so I think they might even have a room where the police could go. But we need something in that community, whether it be at the fire department or even at the People's Church. So I was just, you know, I don't know, I may not be able to answer questions right now, but I just wanted to bring that up because I thought that'd be a great idea to maybe cut down on the crime in the area. And one other thing I do want to ask, and I know it's a budget issue, but um we got people that are um defecating in our backyards and stuff. Is there any way that we can get some porta-potties so And And they're not being indecent. They do go, they literally stand between the dumpsters, so they're not trying to show themselves. But there are people literally um defecating in our yards right now. I was wondering if there's anyway maybe we could get some couple porta-potties in a couple areas that these people can use so they have a little bit of dignity. And that's all I wanted to say.","topics_json":"[\"public_safety\",\"budget\",\"homelessness\"]","vector_id":"vec_seg_98808_446","created_at":"2026-10-31T05:35:55Z","speaker_name":"Jeannie Anderson"},{"id":"seg_98808_447","meeting_id":"98808","media_asset_id":"med_98808_0590be389b225186","agenda_item_id":null,"speaker_id":"off_gerald_l_rocha_sr","speaker_confidence":0.95,"start_sec":7661.97,"end_sec":7666.57,"text":"Thank you. Appreciate it. Thank you for your comments. Any other citizen comments?","topics_json":"[]","vector_id":"vec_seg_98808_447","created_at":"2026-10-31T05:35:55Z","speaker_name":"Gerald L. Rocha, Sr."},{"id":"seg_98808_448","meeting_id":"98808","media_asset_id":"med_98808_0590be389b225186","agenda_item_id":null,"speaker_id":"off_gerald_l_rocha_sr","speaker_confidence":0.95,"start_sec":7666.57,"end_sec":7668.12,"text":"Okay. If there's uh no other business before—","topics_json":"[]","vector_id":"vec_seg_98808_448","created_at":"2026-10-31T05:35:55Z","speaker_name":"Gerald L. Rocha, Sr."},{"id":"seg_98808_449","meeting_id":"98808","media_asset_id":"med_98808_0590be389b225186","agenda_item_id":null,"speaker_id":"off_brian_e_lewis","speaker_confidence":0.95,"start_sec":7668.12,"end_sec":7675.42,"text":"part of the Legislative, Finance, and Administration Committee. We stand adjourned and turn it back over to Council President Neil.","topics_json":"[]","vector_id":"vec_seg_98808_449","created_at":"2026-10-31T05:35:55Z","speaker_name":"Brian E. Lewis"},{"id":"seg_98808_45","meeting_id":"98808","media_asset_id":"med_98808_0590be389b225186","agenda_item_id":null,"speaker_id":"spk_98808_dr_tiny","speaker_confidence":0.9,"start_sec":839.47,"end_sec":870.17,"text":"Now when you get to the higher ones, you've got a surplus. This is not new, it's just a matter of the numbers. So when you're really looking at how much house you need, how many houses, how many units, you really got to look at where do those houses go, how much do they cost, and what is the target market for that house? And that's why sometimes a higher-income person will live in a housing unit that really was designed for a 30% AMI person.","topics_json":"[\"housing\"]","vector_id":"vec_seg_98808_45","created_at":"2026-10-31T05:35:54Z","speaker_name":"Dr. Tiny"},{"id":"seg_98808_450","meeting_id":"98808","media_asset_id":"med_98808_0590be389b225186","agenda_item_id":null,"speaker_id":"off_fred_a_neil","speaker_confidence":0.95,"start_sec":7675.42,"end_sec":7682.62,"text":"Thank you, Mr. Chairman. Is there any other business before the council tonight? If not, this meeting is adjourned.","topics_json":"[]","vector_id":"vec_seg_98808_450","created_at":"2026-10-31T05:35:55Z","speaker_name":"Fred A. Neil"},{"id":"seg_98808_46","meeting_id":"98808","media_asset_id":"med_98808_0590be389b225186","agenda_item_id":null,"speaker_id":"spk_98808_dr_tiny","speaker_confidence":0.9,"start_sec":870.17,"end_sec":910.07,"text":"Okay, next slide. I'm going to shift gears just a little bit here to wind down. So there's structural barriers that create friction that doesn't allow us collectively to support what we want to do. And it's not just about more houses, although that's true, it's the right type of houses, the right size, the right place, and the right price. So what prohibits that is you've got all your zoning constraints and development costs and permitting timelines, infrastructure limits.","topics_json":"[\"housing\",\"zoning\"]","vector_id":"vec_seg_98808_46","created_at":"2026-10-31T05:35:54Z","speaker_name":"Dr. Tiny"},{"id":"seg_98808_47","meeting_id":"98808","media_asset_id":"med_98808_0590be389b225186","agenda_item_id":null,"speaker_id":"spk_98808_dr_tiny","speaker_confidence":0.9,"start_sec":910.07,"end_sec":942.87,"text":"And at the same time, this is an opportunity for you because you have the tools available. And so that could be something like enabling smaller housing types, and that's why they call me Dr. Tiny because I'm a huge advocate of tiny homes. You could support the rehabilitation of your condemned houses or existing houses and you can streamline the approval processes. Those are low-hanging fruits.","topics_json":"[\"housing\",\"zoning\"]","vector_id":"vec_seg_98808_47","created_at":"2026-10-31T05:35:54Z","speaker_name":"Dr. Tiny"},{"id":"seg_98808_48","meeting_id":"98808","media_asset_id":"med_98808_0590be389b225186","agenda_item_id":null,"speaker_id":"spk_98808_dr_tiny","speaker_confidence":0.9,"start_sec":942.87,"end_sec":983.07,"text":"And uh they're, like I said, they're not unique to Dover, but they influence how fastly collectively you can you can work on this and adopt new things. And the good news is that you now have the opportunity to take action and do something. So the other thing I did on your last um your the last slide that you have, in fact I'll go to the next slide, I went through and looked at some of the policy um actions that you've done as a not necessarily you all, but as a council. And uh it just looks a little different. Um you can see which ones were passed, which ones were voted down, and which ones were I don't want to say forced upon you, but you didn't develop them yourself. They didn't come out from you. They came out say from a task force or from the governor's directive or etc. So when you really look at a historic perspective and you're thinking, \"Why didn't we pass those...","topics_json":"[\"housing\"]","vector_id":"vec_seg_98808_48","created_at":"2026-10-31T05:35:54Z","speaker_name":"Dr. Tiny"},{"id":"seg_98808_49","meeting_id":"98808","media_asset_id":"med_98808_0590be389b225186","agenda_item_id":null,"speaker_id":"spk_98808_presenter","speaker_confidence":0.95,"start_sec":983.09,"end_sec":992.59,"text":"three in the middle. That's just a little bit of historic data to go back and say what was somebody thinking, and then how do we want to take action further?","topics_json":"[\"housing\",\"zoning\"]","vector_id":"vec_seg_98808_49","created_at":"2026-10-31T05:35:54Z","speaker_name":null},{"id":"seg_98808_5","meeting_id":"98808","media_asset_id":"med_98808_0590be389b225186","agenda_item_id":null,"speaker_id":"off_fred_a_neil","speaker_confidence":0.95,"start_sec":24.4,"end_sec":31.5,"text":"Seconded by Councilman Anderson. Any discussion? No discussion. Please pipe in your approval by saying aye.","topics_json":"[]","vector_id":"vec_seg_98808_5","created_at":"2026-10-31T05:35:54Z","speaker_name":"Fred A. Neil"},{"id":"seg_98808_50","meeting_id":"98808","media_asset_id":"med_98808_0590be389b225186","agenda_item_id":null,"speaker_id":"spk_98808_presenter","speaker_confidence":0.95,"start_sec":992.59,"end_sec":1010.59,"text":"So, let me give you a real life example. So, I have a team of non-profits, and we are working with a landowner owner who has 22 acres. And we've decided that we wanted to put um tiny homes for rent and for sale, as well as a little commercial area.","topics_json":"[\"housing\",\"zoning\",\"business\"]","vector_id":"vec_seg_98808_50","created_at":"2026-10-31T05:35:54Z","speaker_name":null},{"id":"seg_98808_51","meeting_id":"98808","media_asset_id":"med_98808_0590be389b225186","agenda_item_id":null,"speaker_id":"spk_98808_presenter","speaker_confidence":0.95,"start_sec":1010.59,"end_sec":1026.19,"text":"So, the infrastructure is already there, funding has been pledged. The issue is prohibiting this project to go forward is that according to the map, it is in a growth zone. So, all I get is no, no, no.","topics_json":"[\"housing\",\"zoning\"]","vector_id":"vec_seg_98808_51","created_at":"2026-10-31T05:35:54Z","speaker_name":null},{"id":"seg_98808_52","meeting_id":"98808","media_asset_id":"med_98808_0590be389b225186","agenda_item_id":null,"speaker_id":"spk_98808_presenter","speaker_confidence":0.95,"start_sec":1026.19,"end_sec":1049.89,"text":"So, I'm sure that there's other projects that are sitting there waiting to be developed with a different set of standards, tiny or small, or duplexes or quads or however you want to do that. And we're prohibited because of zoning and land use getting in the way of helping our affordability and housing um affordability, availability. So, next slide.","topics_json":"[\"housing\",\"zoning\"]","vector_id":"vec_seg_98808_52","created_at":"2026-10-31T05:35:54Z","speaker_name":null},{"id":"seg_98808_53","meeting_id":"98808","media_asset_id":"med_98808_0590be389b225186","agenda_item_id":null,"speaker_id":"spk_98808_presenter","speaker_confidence":0.95,"start_sec":1049.89,"end_sec":1059.59,"text":"These are my my key takeaways. You might have other ones, but the data suggests that you have a structural mismatch.","topics_json":"[\"housing\"]","vector_id":"vec_seg_98808_53","created_at":"2026-10-31T05:35:54Z","speaker_name":null},{"id":"seg_98808_54","meeting_id":"98808","media_asset_id":"med_98808_0590be389b225186","agenda_item_id":null,"speaker_id":"spk_98808_presenter","speaker_confidence":0.95,"start_sec":1059.59,"end_sec":1073.99,"text":"And at our incomes and housing, there's just a shortage. But building housing can help, but the real question is whether the houses being built match the incomes for the people who live and work in that area.","topics_json":"[\"housing\"]","vector_id":"vec_seg_98808_54","created_at":"2026-10-31T05:35:54Z","speaker_name":null},{"id":"seg_98808_55","meeting_id":"98808","media_asset_id":"med_98808_0590be389b225186","agenda_item_id":null,"speaker_id":"spk_98808_presenter","speaker_confidence":0.95,"start_sec":1073.99,"end_sec":1081.49,"text":"Dover's housing pressure appears strongest because it is a renters, there's more renters and low income workers here in Dover.","topics_json":"[\"housing\"]","vector_id":"vec_seg_98808_55","created_at":"2026-10-31T05:35:54Z","speaker_name":null},{"id":"seg_98808_56","meeting_id":"98808","media_asset_id":"med_98808_0590be389b225186","agenda_item_id":null,"speaker_id":"spk_98808_presenter","speaker_confidence":0.95,"start_sec":1081.49,"end_sec":1089.69,"text":"The housing market doesn't uh does have some availability, but they're out of reach for the people that need it.","topics_json":"[\"housing\"]","vector_id":"vec_seg_98808_56","created_at":"2026-10-31T05:35:54Z","speaker_name":null},{"id":"seg_98808_57","meeting_id":"98808","media_asset_id":"med_98808_0590be389b225186","agenda_item_id":null,"speaker_id":"spk_98808_presenter","speaker_confidence":0.95,"start_sec":1089.69,"end_sec":1103.39,"text":"And I'm going to ask ask some questions just for your thinking. Like when we talk about funding, and I just said that there's a lot of things that you could do that don't need a lot of funding, do you spend more on homelessness, and my pal back...","topics_json":"[\"housing\",\"homelessness\",\"budget\"]","vector_id":"vec_seg_98808_57","created_at":"2026-10-31T05:35:54Z","speaker_name":null},{"id":"seg_98808_58","meeting_id":"98808","media_asset_id":"med_98808_0590be389b225186","agenda_item_id":null,"speaker_id":"spk_98808_presenter","speaker_confidence":0.95,"start_sec":1103.39,"end_sec":1123.79,"text":"...there, Judson, is queued up um because he does homelessness, but he needs people like me that build permanent structures, because as soon as his folks are done and they move out of a transitional house, where do they go? Where do you put these folks? And, Mr. Judson, I won't take anything. There you are.","topics_json":"[\"housing\",\"homelessness\"]","vector_id":"vec_seg_98808_58","created_at":"2026-10-31T05:35:54Z","speaker_name":null},{"id":"seg_98808_59","meeting_id":"98808","media_asset_id":"med_98808_0590be389b225186","agenda_item_id":null,"speaker_id":"spk_98808_presenter","speaker_confidence":0.95,"start_sec":1123.79,"end_sec":1139.49,"text":"So um so anyway, do you spend more on homelessness versus ALICE, when 40% is ALICE and maybe 1%, I might have my numbers wrong, is homelessness? So it's just something, I'm not judging, it's just a right, wrong, good or bad, just to think about.","topics_json":"[\"housing\",\"homelessness\",\"budget\"]","vector_id":"vec_seg_98808_59","created_at":"2026-10-31T05:35:54Z","speaker_name":null},{"id":"seg_98808_6","meeting_id":"98808","media_asset_id":"med_98808_0590be389b225186","agenda_item_id":null,"speaker_id":"spk_98808_multiple_council_members","speaker_confidence":0.8,"start_sec":31.5,"end_sec":33.5,"text":"Aye.","topics_json":"[]","vector_id":"vec_seg_98808_6","created_at":"2026-10-31T05:35:54Z","speaker_name":null},{"id":"seg_98808_60","meeting_id":"98808","media_asset_id":"med_98808_0590be389b225186","agenda_item_id":null,"speaker_id":"spk_98808_presenter","speaker_confidence":0.95,"start_sec":1139.49,"end_sec":1156.09,"text":"And where is more rental and owner housing needed? And uh for Sussex County, I broke this down by census tract. So I know you're all living in Dover, but what are the census tracts? Are you a 30% person, or are you an 80% AMI person in your neighborhood?","topics_json":"[\"housing\"]","vector_id":"vec_seg_98808_60","created_at":"2026-10-31T05:35:54Z","speaker_name":null},{"id":"seg_98808_61","meeting_id":"98808","media_asset_id":"med_98808_0590be389b225186","agenda_item_id":null,"speaker_id":"spk_98808_presenter","speaker_confidence":0.95,"start_sec":1156.09,"end_sec":1165.89,"text":"So it's really important to know those bands because there's the number of rentals and the number of units that are mismatched. Okay, so what next slide.","topics_json":"[\"housing\"]","vector_id":"vec_seg_98808_61","created_at":"2026-10-31T05:35:54Z","speaker_name":null},{"id":"seg_98808_62","meeting_id":"98808","media_asset_id":"med_98808_0590be389b225186","agenda_item_id":null,"speaker_id":"spk_98808_presenter","speaker_confidence":0.95,"start_sec":1165.89,"end_sec":1179.69,"text":"So some of the interventions um that you've done, um here's just some of them. I sat on the uh Governor's Affordable Housing Task Force, so of course I'm waving the rat the the flag for tiny and small...","topics_json":"[\"housing\",\"zoning\"]","vector_id":"vec_seg_98808_62","created_at":"2026-10-31T05:35:54Z","speaker_name":null},{"id":"seg_98808_63","meeting_id":"98808","media_asset_id":"med_98808_0590be389b225186","agenda_item_id":null,"speaker_id":"spk_98808_presenter","speaker_confidence":0.9,"start_sec":1179.71,"end_sec":1254.42,"text":"our homes and starter homes, but you know there were 72 suggestions that came out out of that task force, and they were distilled down to nine. So if you want some other ideas, just check it out and I've included the URL on your handout. So when you look at what are people doing across the country, some are preserving housing, some are, you know, really focusing on keeping people in their house by aging in place or fixing a roof, etc., because if those folks that now can live in a not perfect house, but it can be made perfect, if they have to go somewhere, where are they going to go? And others, like like hopefully us here, focus on expanding our small scale housing options to And really here's another one. Look at your vacant housing and why those are vacant. Look at your condemned housing as rehab projects. And these are real life things that happen. And the exciting thing is that you all have that opportunity to unlock a new supply. So, next slide. So in closing, I want to invite all of you to be housing heroes. Because housing challenges are rarely solving, they're not caused by a single policy and they're not solved by a single policy. They usually involve a mix of strategies that really reflect the local housing stock, workforce, and growth patterns. And when your top four employed people are in 30% or below, that's an issue.","topics_json":"[\"housing\",\"zoning\"]","vector_id":"vec_seg_98808_63","created_at":"2026-10-31T05:35:54Z","speaker_name":null},{"id":"seg_98808_64","meeting_id":"98808","media_asset_id":"med_98808_0590be389b225186","agenda_item_id":null,"speaker_id":"spk_98808_presenter","speaker_confidence":0.9,"start_sec":1254.42,"end_sec":1282.92,"text":"And my goal tonight was simply to provide a snapshot of what the data shows, and if you need further information, believe me, I've got a lot of statistics and I'd love to answer any questions that anyone may have.","topics_json":"[\"housing\"]","vector_id":"vec_seg_98808_64","created_at":"2026-10-31T05:35:54Z","speaker_name":null},{"id":"seg_98808_65","meeting_id":"98808","media_asset_id":"med_98808_0590be389b225186","agenda_item_id":null,"speaker_id":"off_fred_a_neil","speaker_confidence":0.95,"start_sec":1282.92,"end_sec":1286.48,"text":"Questions? If not, I have a few. Yes, uh, Councilman Sudler. Uh, Anderson.","topics_json":"[]","vector_id":"vec_seg_98808_65","created_at":"2026-10-31T05:35:54Z","speaker_name":"Fred A. Neil"},{"id":"seg_98808_66","meeting_id":"98808","media_asset_id":"med_98808_0590be389b225186","agenda_item_id":null,"speaker_id":"off_david_l_anderson","speaker_confidence":0.95,"start_sec":1286.48,"end_sec":1346.97,"text":"Thank you, Mr. President. First of all, thank you for accepting the invitation. Uh, you've been a very interesting person to uh converse with, and uh thank you for bringing some of that conversation here. I, the uh I think looking policy, you're looking at uh What could you explain a little bit uh differences between uh like it used to be what what we now call cottage houses used to be uh normal working class houses, like if you look at Rodney Village, Kent Acres, uh even uh some of uh Northwest Dover Heights and the like. And they're nice places. Um what what happened to those?","topics_json":"[\"housing\",\"zoning\"]","vector_id":"vec_seg_98808_66","created_at":"2026-10-31T05:35:54Z","speaker_name":"David L. Anderson"},{"id":"seg_98808_67","meeting_id":"98808","media_asset_id":"med_98808_0590be389b225186","agenda_item_id":null,"speaker_id":"spk_98808_presenter","speaker_confidence":0.9,"start_sec":1346.97,"end_sec":1376.33,"text":"What happened, uh that's what you're talking about is considered missing middle. So right now you've got single-family homes and huge monstrosities. You don't have anything in the middle. I'm looking around the room and I know that some of the folks in here were really like me, a 1,000 square foot home with three kids, a dog, and a mom and a dad, and a one bathroom. And we were fine. That was your starter home. We don't build starter homes anymore. And as uh from the developer perspective, well we build what the market wants. Well, they're about 10 years behind because the market now is really saying, 'I want small because I don't need to clean my big...'","topics_json":"[\"housing\",\"zoning\"]","vector_id":"vec_seg_98808_67","created_at":"2026-10-31T05:35:54Z","speaker_name":null},{"id":"seg_98808_68","meeting_id":"98808","media_asset_id":"med_98808_0590be389b225186","agenda_item_id":null,"speaker_id":"spk_98808_presenter","speaker_confidence":0.85,"start_sec":1376.33,"end_sec":1453.53,"text":"house or to furnish it. I just want to pay for what I live in, and that's why I'm a huge advocate for tiny and small, even small-scale developments, um, and so that's why we're doing the project down in Georgetown with the smaller units. But we're missing that, the missing middle: duplexes and quads, even in, you know, the the row houses that have the different floors. We don't build that anymore, and that's what happened. Uh, it started around, say, 1950-ish when the VA, the VA loans and the the soldiers came back. They wanted a house in the 'burbs. They didn't call it that, and they kept on getting bigger and bigger and bigger and bigger. I have a great slide that shows from 1860 on, all the way you could see the housing trends. It's pretty impressive. And on your handout, I believe, there's been a change of what people want. It used to be that the boatloads used to want single-family, now people want mobile homes. We haven't built a mobile home park since 1972. And and mobile homes, I don't know if you've ever been in them recently, but they don't look anything like the mobile homes where you call them trailer parks, etc. Okay, so that's another opportunity to look at.","topics_json":"[\"housing\",\"zoning\"]","vector_id":"vec_seg_98808_68","created_at":"2026-10-31T05:35:54Z","speaker_name":null},{"id":"seg_98808_69","meeting_id":"98808","media_asset_id":"med_98808_0590be389b225186","agenda_item_id":null,"speaker_id":"off_david_l_anderson","speaker_confidence":0.95,"start_sec":1453.53,"end_sec":1464.83,"text":"Yes, um, so what could be done without, um, market manipulation, what can be done to encourage, uh, a variety of housing?","topics_json":"[\"housing\",\"business\"]","vector_id":"vec_seg_98808_69","created_at":"2026-10-31T05:35:54Z","speaker_name":"David L. Anderson"},{"id":"seg_98808_7","meeting_id":"98808","media_asset_id":"med_98808_0590be389b225186","agenda_item_id":null,"speaker_id":"off_fred_a_neil","speaker_confidence":0.95,"start_sec":33.5,"end_sec":49.8,"text":"Any opposed? And passed unanimously. Um, the first item on the agenda, we have presentations. First is a discussion of affordable housing by Michelle Williams, Executive Director, for Center for Housing Delaware. Miss Williams, you're welcome to the podium.","topics_json":"[\"housing\"]","vector_id":"vec_seg_98808_7","created_at":"2026-10-31T05:35:54Z","speaker_name":"Fred A. Neil"},{"id":"seg_98808_70","meeting_id":"98808","media_asset_id":"med_98808_0590be389b225186","agenda_item_id":null,"speaker_id":"spk_98808_presenter","speaker_confidence":0.85,"start_sec":1464.83,"end_sec":1499.23,"text":"So that was one of the huge things that came out of that task force. But, um, people there's, I'm not the only one that's really pushing for smaller units. It's that the zoning does not allow for smaller units. For instance, if you have a half acre, how many units can you put on that half acre? Right. If you have one acre, how many can you put on it? Yeah. So that's what happened. Our lots got bigger, the land use got different, and, um, we just kind of put handcuffs on our own self with the with density and zoning.","topics_json":"[\"housing\",\"zoning\"]","vector_id":"vec_seg_98808_70","created_at":"2026-10-31T05:35:54Z","speaker_name":null},{"id":"seg_98808_71","meeting_id":"98808","media_asset_id":"med_98808_0590be389b225186","agenda_item_id":null,"speaker_id":"off_david_l_anderson","speaker_confidence":0.95,"start_sec":1499.23,"end_sec":1534.63,"text":"And in the City of Dover, we have something called a planned neighborhood development, which is our our main mechanism to allow for, um, let's say, smaller homes and the like. Uh, yet we've had, um, I guess that they haven't had a lot of takers on that. Um, is there, uh, anything, uh, is there something wrong with that particular ordinance that needs to be tweaked? You don't need to answer that today, or is there, is was it just the market at the time?","topics_json":"[\"housing\",\"zoning\"]","vector_id":"vec_seg_98808_71","created_at":"2026-10-31T05:35:54Z","speaker_name":"David L. Anderson"},{"id":"seg_98808_72","meeting_id":"98808","media_asset_id":"med_98808_0590be389b225186","agenda_item_id":null,"speaker_id":"spk_98808_presenter","speaker_confidence":0.85,"start_sec":1534.63,"end_sec":1572.93,"text":"No, not necessarily. It could have been a bunch of those things, but my gut without looking at the the map on where those, uh, places are and those lots and parcels, I would say that there's not a developer who's willing to take the risk, and it is a risk, to to do something different, like build a tiny home village, we'll just say, or a Pallet village. So, it just, uh, we you need more people like me that are stepping up and say, \"You know what? I want to house these people.\" And and we're we're nonprofit, and my partners are nonprofits, but we're still having that same problem. And it's, \"Hey, I'm here to work, like...\"","topics_json":"[\"housing\",\"homelessness\",\"zoning\"]","vector_id":"vec_seg_98808_72","created_at":"2026-10-31T05:35:54Z","speaker_name":null},{"id":"seg_98808_73","meeting_id":"98808","media_asset_id":"med_98808_0590be389b225186","agenda_item_id":null,"speaker_id":"spk_98808_presenter","speaker_confidence":0.9,"start_sec":1572.95,"end_sec":1605.75,"text":"Like I said, we have that 20 25 22 acres in Frederica. We're ready to go. But my hands are behind my back because it's in a growth zone, so I'd have to look that up. Yeah, as an example. Yeah. But you know it's so easy to to develop uh like the one that we're doing in Georgetown. We have uh one uh just shy of two two and a half acres, and we're putting 20 units on there for small, and they're not tiny. They're 500 square feet and a thousand square feet, a three-bedroom. One-bedroom, two-bedroom, three-bedroom. It's possible.","topics_json":"[\"housing\",\"zoning\"]","vector_id":"vec_seg_98808_73","created_at":"2026-10-31T05:35:54Z","speaker_name":null},{"id":"seg_98808_74","meeting_id":"98808","media_asset_id":"med_98808_0590be389b225186","agenda_item_id":null,"speaker_id":"off_david_l_anderson","speaker_confidence":0.95,"start_sec":1605.75,"end_sec":1631.15,"text":"Thank you. And and by the way, now that I don't know that palace would be our our uh thing, but we'll we'll keep the P-word out. But but the uh but when it comes to uh developers, if your your firm sees a few acres of land that still exist in the city and and uh can make it affordable, you'll probably find some a friendly reception here.","topics_json":"[\"housing\",\"zoning\"]","vector_id":"vec_seg_98808_74","created_at":"2026-10-31T05:35:54Z","speaker_name":"David L. 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Anderson"},{"id":"seg_98808_77","meeting_id":"98808","media_asset_id":"med_98808_0590be389b225186","agenda_item_id":null,"speaker_id":"spk_98808_presenter","speaker_confidence":0.9,"start_sec":1674.35,"end_sec":1683.75,"text":"You know, you don't disrupt the neighborhood, the look of it, the feel of it. And that's why the smaller homes are amazing, but we have not adopted them as we should have.","topics_json":"[\"housing\",\"zoning\"]","vector_id":"vec_seg_98808_77","created_at":"2026-10-31T05:35:54Z","speaker_name":null},{"id":"seg_98808_78","meeting_id":"98808","media_asset_id":"med_98808_0590be389b225186","agenda_item_id":null,"speaker_id":"off_david_l_anderson","speaker_confidence":0.95,"start_sec":1683.75,"end_sec":1685.45,"text":"I yield, Mr. President.","topics_json":"[]","vector_id":"vec_seg_98808_78","created_at":"2026-10-31T05:35:54Z","speaker_name":"David L. 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So, my goal tonight is simply to provide a quick snapshot--","topics_json":"[\"housing\"]","vector_id":"vec_seg_98808_8","created_at":"2026-10-31T05:35:54Z","speaker_name":"Michelle Williams"},{"id":"seg_98808_80","meeting_id":"98808","media_asset_id":"med_98808_0590be389b225186","agenda_item_id":null,"speaker_id":"off_gerald_l_rocha_sr","speaker_confidence":0.95,"start_sec":1687.05,"end_sec":1712.65,"text":"Thank you, Council President. That just triggered something that uh Councilman Anderson mentioned just in the dialogue. Um do you have any 3D um models that, you know, if we were to have a town hall or something like that and get our constituents aware of what it would look like um and how it would enhance the city? Is there something like that that you all have developed?","topics_json":"[\"housing\",\"zoning\"]","vector_id":"vec_seg_98808_80","created_at":"2026-10-31T05:35:54Z","speaker_name":"Gerald L. Rocha, Sr."},{"id":"seg_98808_81","meeting_id":"98808","media_asset_id":"med_98808_0590be389b225186","agenda_item_id":null,"speaker_id":"spk_98808_presenter","speaker_confidence":0.9,"start_sec":1712.65,"end_sec":1729.35,"text":"Oh yeah, that's really easy. Um and plus we do those video walkthroughs of our We have the two of them built already, so we already do that. And what you're asking is I think we probably already have our 22 laid out, our our our 22 acres, not houses.","topics_json":"[\"housing\",\"zoning\"]","vector_id":"vec_seg_98808_81","created_at":"2026-10-31T05:35:54Z","speaker_name":null},{"id":"seg_98808_82","meeting_id":"98808","media_asset_id":"med_98808_0590be389b225186","agenda_item_id":null,"speaker_id":"off_gerald_l_rocha_sr","speaker_confidence":0.95,"start_sec":1729.35,"end_sec":1731.35,"text":"Like in the whole neighborhood basically?","topics_json":"[\"housing\",\"zoning\"]","vector_id":"vec_seg_98808_82","created_at":"2026-10-31T05:35:54Z","speaker_name":"Gerald L. Rocha, Sr."},{"id":"seg_98808_83","meeting_id":"98808","media_asset_id":"med_98808_0590be389b225186","agenda_item_id":null,"speaker_id":"spk_98808_presenter","speaker_confidence":0.9,"start_sec":1731.35,"end_sec":1731.35,"text":"Yeah, we have that all drawn because you're going to need that when you go to planning, and it's really hard for people to imagine 20 units on 1 and 1/2 acres, because people don't know what an acre looks like. So that's why we do that almost upfront.","topics_json":"[\"housing\",\"zoning\"]","vector_id":"vec_seg_98808_83","created_at":"2026-10-31T05:35:54Z","speaker_name":null},{"id":"seg_98808_84","meeting_id":"98808","media_asset_id":"med_98808_0590be389b225186","agenda_item_id":null,"speaker_id":"off_gerald_l_rocha_sr","speaker_confidence":0.95,"start_sec":1687.25,"end_sec":1691.75,"text":"Thank you. That that's very interesting. I yield to uh Councilman Boggerty.","topics_json":"[]","vector_id":"vec_seg_98808_84","created_at":"2026-10-31T05:35:54Z","speaker_name":"Gerald L. Rocha, Sr."},{"id":"seg_98808_85","meeting_id":"98808","media_asset_id":"med_98808_0590be389b225186","agenda_item_id":null,"speaker_id":"off_andre_m_boggerty","speaker_confidence":0.95,"start_sec":1691.75,"end_sec":1751.55,"text":"Oh, thank you. Um question, I coming from the inner city of Detroit, be, you know, not common, we I grew up in we didn't have tiny houses, but our houses was tiny. We made a lot with our 200 square feet apartments. But my question now is um the reception again, we need housing, and I'm trying to find a way, but I have to uh ask tough questions. I think it's tough. What what does that look like when it comes to How has the reception been with other neighborhoods and its impact on the home values of other neighborhoods? For example...","topics_json":"[\"housing\"]","vector_id":"vec_seg_98808_85","created_at":"2026-10-31T05:35:54Z","speaker_name":"Andre M. Boggerty"},{"id":"seg_98808_86","meeting_id":"98808","media_asset_id":"med_98808_0590be389b225186","agenda_item_id":null,"speaker_id":"spk_98808_presenter","speaker_confidence":0.9,"start_sec":1751.55,"end_sec":1753.15,"text":"I'm glad you asked.","topics_json":"[\"housing\"]","vector_id":"vec_seg_98808_86","created_at":"2026-10-31T05:35:54Z","speaker_name":null},{"id":"seg_98808_87","meeting_id":"98808","media_asset_id":"med_98808_0590be389b225186","agenda_item_id":null,"speaker_id":"off_andre_m_boggerty","speaker_confidence":0.95,"start_sec":1753.15,"end_sec":1769.55,"text":"Thank you. Somebody's glad I asked. Um because given our four districts, we, as the at-large individual, every district is is like raising four different, I don't mean to demean anyone, but it's like having four different children.","topics_json":"[\"housing\"]","vector_id":"vec_seg_98808_87","created_at":"2026-10-31T05:35:54Z","speaker_name":"Andre M. Boggerty"},{"id":"seg_98808_88","meeting_id":"98808","media_asset_id":"med_98808_0590be389b225186","agenda_item_id":null,"speaker_id":"off_andre_m_boggerty","speaker_confidence":0.95,"start_sec":1769.57,"end_sec":1787.15,"text":"They all have their unique personalities, their unique identifiers, and I love them all. See how I clean that up? A great politician. I love them all, but each district has its, um, own personality and and the receptivity of it, um, would would be would be that.","topics_json":"[\"housing\"]","vector_id":"vec_seg_98808_88","created_at":"2026-10-31T05:35:54Z","speaker_name":"Andre M. Boggerty"},{"id":"seg_98808_89","meeting_id":"98808","media_asset_id":"med_98808_0590be389b225186","agenda_item_id":null,"speaker_id":"spk_98808_chunk10_speaker","speaker_confidence":0.85,"start_sec":1787.15,"end_sec":1855.99,"text":"Yeah, that's a great question, and I'm glad that you asked that about home values. As a researcher, academic nerd, that's one of the things that I look at. What is the Is there a value decrease on your home when you have affordable housing? And I hate those two words together. It's housing that is affordable according to your salary. So people have that misconception that it brings down property values, but if you have, say a vacant lot, and you clean that up and put tinys on it, or smalls, you've just increased everybody's value in their homes. And the problem that we had in Georgetown, as an example, is there were two condemned lots that were sitting there for 20-some years, and the owner gave them to us. Well, then all of a sudden, the neighbor said, \"We don't want that.\" Well, wait a minute, they've been vacant for 20 years. You say you need housing, we're here to build housing, and you scratch your head. Across the country, and I can't say across the world because I don't know, across the country there have been study after study to prove that it does not decrease property value.","topics_json":"[\"housing\",\"zoning\"]","vector_id":"vec_seg_98808_89","created_at":"2026-10-31T05:35:54Z","speaker_name":null},{"id":"seg_98808_9","meeting_id":"98808","media_asset_id":"med_98808_0590be389b225186","agenda_item_id":null,"speaker_id":"off_gerald_l_rocha_sr","speaker_confidence":0.95,"start_sec":109.6,"end_sec":112.7,"text":"I'm sorry. Point of order. Council President?","topics_json":"[]","vector_id":"vec_seg_98808_9","created_at":"2026-10-31T05:35:54Z","speaker_name":"Gerald L. Rocha, Sr."},{"id":"seg_98808_90","meeting_id":"98808","media_asset_id":"med_98808_0590be389b225186","agenda_item_id":null,"speaker_id":"off_andre_m_boggerty","speaker_confidence":0.95,"start_sec":1855.99,"end_sec":1864.87,"text":"So, I'm I'm I'm like I'm a very I'm a really a nerd. I'm a I'm a really bad nerd, I just try to hide it.","topics_json":"[\"housing\"]","vector_id":"vec_seg_98808_90","created_at":"2026-10-31T05:35:54Z","speaker_name":"Andre M. 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And anybody that's watched HGTV and looked at the tiny houses for $250,000, I'm not talking about that. I'm talking about things that people can afford. As an example, our rents in uh Georgetown, and I use that as an example because that's the one we have actively going on. Um for a one bedroom, it's uh 950 inclusive of utilities and internet. Our two bedroom is about 1075, but it's below It's It's affordable and it is below market","topics_json":"[\"housing\",\"budget\"]","vector_id":"vec_seg_98808_93","created_at":"2026-10-31T05:35:54Z","speaker_name":null},{"id":"seg_98808_94","meeting_id":"98808","media_asset_id":"med_98808_0590be389b225186","agenda_item_id":null,"speaker_id":"off_roy_sudler_jr","speaker_confidence":0.95,"start_sec":1966.18,"end_sec":1966.66,"text":"Right.","topics_json":"[\"housing\"]","vector_id":"vec_seg_98808_94","created_at":"2026-10-31T05:35:54Z","speaker_name":"Roy Sudler, Jr."},{"id":"seg_98808_95","meeting_id":"98808","media_asset_id":"med_98808_0590be389b225186","agenda_item_id":null,"speaker_id":"off_andre_m_boggerty","speaker_confidence":0.95,"start_sec":1966.66,"end_sec":1970.43,"text":"No no when I say that in the sense of, excuse me, I mean I say that in the sense of, that's not giving it away.","topics_json":"[\"housing\"]","vector_id":"vec_seg_98808_95","created_at":"2026-10-31T05:35:54Z","speaker_name":"Andre M. 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So do y'all do vouchers typically?","topics_json":"[\"housing\"]","vector_id":"vec_seg_98808_97","created_at":"2026-10-31T05:35:54Z","speaker_name":"Andre M. Boggerty"},{"id":"seg_98808_98","meeting_id":"98808","media_asset_id":"med_98808_0590be389b225186","agenda_item_id":null,"speaker_id":"spk_98808_speaker_female_presenter","speaker_confidence":0.9,"start_sec":1980.43,"end_sec":2038.77,"text":"Well, let me, I'll, I'll explain about that. We just do working people, okay? So they go to Judson and then they end up needing a place to live. So that's how the sequence, the continuum of care uh, happens. So, um, we, actually, because they're rentals, and we are going to sell some as well, but these in particular are rentals, um, we also have a property management um, company that will manage the property. Uh, we have an application process. It's the same as you would, um, we haven't talked about uh Section 8 vouchers, none of that, because we're focused on this particular project for this particular 30 to 50% AMI, maybe going up to about 60% AMI, but we're focusing on people that can afford 950 a month.","topics_json":"[\"housing\",\"homelessness\"]","vector_id":"vec_seg_98808_98","created_at":"2026-10-31T05:35:54Z","speaker_name":null},{"id":"seg_98808_99","meeting_id":"98808","media_asset_id":"med_98808_0590be389b225186","agenda_item_id":null,"speaker_id":"off_andre_m_boggerty","speaker_confidence":0.95,"start_sec":2038.77,"end_sec":2039.98,"text":"Can you touch on the safety issue again?","topics_json":"[\"public_safety\",\"housing\"]","vector_id":"vec_seg_98808_99","created_at":"2026-10-31T05:35:54Z","speaker_name":"Andre M. 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We'll go ahead and follow the agenda and for the first 10 minutes.","topics_json":"[]","vector_id":"vec_seg_98896_1","created_at":"2026-10-31T05:58:59Z","speaker_name":null},{"id":"seg_98896_10","meeting_id":"98896","media_asset_id":"med_98896_fe917dc459816e8d","agenda_item_id":null,"speaker_id":"spk_98896_female_commissioner","speaker_confidence":1,"start_sec":97.55,"end_sec":98.35,"text":"So moved.","topics_json":"[]","vector_id":"vec_seg_98896_10","created_at":"2026-10-31T05:58:59Z","speaker_name":null},{"id":"seg_98896_100","meeting_id":"98896","media_asset_id":"med_98896_fe917dc459816e8d","agenda_item_id":null,"speaker_id":"spk_98896_staff_member","speaker_confidence":0.85,"start_sec":1026.91,"end_sec":1027.81,"text":"You're welcome.","topics_json":"[]","vector_id":"vec_seg_98896_100","created_at":"2026-10-31T05:58:59Z","speaker_name":null},{"id":"seg_98896_101","meeting_id":"98896","media_asset_id":"med_98896_fe917dc459816e8d","agenda_item_id":null,"speaker_id":"spk_98896_commissioner","speaker_confidence":0.8,"start_sec":1027.81,"end_sec":1029.01,"text":"Thank you. Appreciate it.","topics_json":"[]","vector_id":"vec_seg_98896_101","created_at":"2026-10-31T05:58:59Z","speaker_name":null},{"id":"seg_98896_102","meeting_id":"98896","media_asset_id":"med_98896_fe917dc459816e8d","agenda_item_id":null,"speaker_id":"spk_98896_chair","speaker_confidence":0.9,"start_sec":1029.01,"end_sec":1042.81,"text":"Okay. Um, I don't have any new business to bring to the table. Does anybody have any new business? First district? Second district? Fourth district? Third district? Okay. I'll entertain a motion to, um, open up our uh public forum.","topics_json":"[]","vector_id":"vec_seg_98896_102","created_at":"2026-10-31T05:58:59Z","speaker_name":null},{"id":"seg_98896_103","meeting_id":"98896","media_asset_id":"med_98896_fe917dc459816e8d","agenda_item_id":null,"speaker_id":"spk_98896_commissioner","speaker_confidence":0.8,"start_sec":1042.81,"end_sec":1045.01,"text":"Make a motion to open the public forum.","topics_json":"[]","vector_id":"vec_seg_98896_103","created_at":"2026-10-31T05:58:59Z","speaker_name":null},{"id":"seg_98896_104","meeting_id":"98896","media_asset_id":"med_98896_fe917dc459816e8d","agenda_item_id":null,"speaker_id":"spk_98896_commissioner","speaker_confidence":0.8,"start_sec":1045.01,"end_sec":1045.71,"text":"Second.","topics_json":"[]","vector_id":"vec_seg_98896_104","created_at":"2026-10-31T05:58:59Z","speaker_name":null},{"id":"seg_98896_105","meeting_id":"98896","media_asset_id":"med_98896_fe917dc459816e8d","agenda_item_id":null,"speaker_id":"spk_98896_chair","speaker_confidence":0.9,"start_sec":1045.71,"end_sec":1053.71,"text":"It's been properly moved and seconded that we open up our public forum. That was moved from the beginning. Anybody ready for the question? Anybody ready for the question? All those in favor?","topics_json":"[]","vector_id":"vec_seg_98896_105","created_at":"2026-10-31T05:58:59Z","speaker_name":null},{"id":"seg_98896_106","meeting_id":"98896","media_asset_id":"med_98896_fe917dc459816e8d","agenda_item_id":null,"speaker_id":"spk_98896_commissioners","speaker_confidence":0.8,"start_sec":1053.71,"end_sec":1055.21,"text":"Aye. Aye.","topics_json":"[]","vector_id":"vec_seg_98896_106","created_at":"2026-10-31T05:58:59Z","speaker_name":null},{"id":"seg_98896_107","meeting_id":"98896","media_asset_id":"med_98896_fe917dc459816e8d","agenda_item_id":null,"speaker_id":"spk_98896_chair","speaker_confidence":0.9,"start_sec":1055.21,"end_sec":1072.81,"text":"All those opposed have the same right. Motion carried. It is 6:30. We will go into our 10-minute public forum. So our our first uh guest that we do have, uh Mr. Muhammad, would you like to come up? And and then um I see we have another guest from um the Neighborhood Partners Association.","topics_json":"[]","vector_id":"vec_seg_98896_107","created_at":"2026-10-31T05:58:59Z","speaker_name":null},{"id":"seg_98896_108","meeting_id":"98896","media_asset_id":"med_98896_fe917dc459816e8d","agenda_item_id":null,"speaker_id":"spk_98896_mr_muhammad","speaker_confidence":0.9,"start_sec":1072.81,"end_sec":1085.71,"text":"Uh in the name of Allah, the Beneficent, the Merciful, I bear witness there is no God but Allah, and I bear witness that Muhammad is His messenger. I greet everybody in the greeting words of peace of as-salamu alaykum, which means peace be unto you.","topics_json":"[]","vector_id":"vec_seg_98896_108","created_at":"2026-10-31T05:58:59Z","speaker_name":"Mr. Muhammad"},{"id":"seg_98896_109","meeting_id":"98896","media_asset_id":"med_98896_fe917dc459816e8d","agenda_item_id":null,"speaker_id":"spk_98896_commissioner","speaker_confidence":0.8,"start_sec":1085.71,"end_sec":1087.11,"text":"Wa alaykumu s-salam, brother.","topics_json":"[]","vector_id":"vec_seg_98896_109","created_at":"2026-10-31T05:58:59Z","speaker_name":null},{"id":"seg_98896_11","meeting_id":"98896","media_asset_id":"med_98896_fe917dc459816e8d","agenda_item_id":null,"speaker_id":"spk_98896_faust","speaker_confidence":1,"start_sec":98.52,"end_sec":99.22,"text":"Second.","topics_json":"[]","vector_id":"vec_seg_98896_11","created_at":"2026-10-31T05:58:59Z","speaker_name":"Faust"},{"id":"seg_98896_110","meeting_id":"98896","media_asset_id":"med_98896_fe917dc459816e8d","agenda_item_id":null,"speaker_id":"spk_98896_mr_muhammad","speaker_confidence":0.9,"start_sec":1087.11,"end_sec":1179.49,"text":"All right, sir. Uh appreciate Brother Sudler coming to the last coalition meeting and Mr. Faults, but I'm still baffled and confused about the purpose of the human relations. I'm listening to y'all about what's hearsay about projects and houses, and I just don't see it. This is not what gave birth to this. Reggie Handy got killed by the police. It gave birth to this, and it's like we're leaving the agenda because one thing about politics, it always have a tendency, like Magic Johnson did in the Lakers, make you look left, but I'm really going right. And nobody else came to the coalition. I don't know what Rev. Lot did, even though I know he's still going to read it. I don't—listen, this has really got to get serious round here. If it's just a come here, come to you all on the 17th or the 3rd, cuz I did call you, but you didn't call me back, but Mr. Faults called me back. This is just a third of month meeting, and then after that we go our ways, I don't know what Rev. Lot do for the community anymore, I know he was a correctional officer also. But man, y'all got to tighten up. What is going on? It's real issues out there. Like you should be teaching the public, the people, about their fundamental rights. Don't care if it's the Delaware Constitution. What are y'all doing? You sound like the City Council meetings that I continue to come to. It sound like it's all one big ball rolling in one, and I'm on these panels as a commissioner, quote-unquote, for status, quote-unquote, of who I am. Don't see none of y'all in the community","topics_json":"[\"public_safety\"]","vector_id":"vec_seg_98896_110","created_at":"2026-10-31T05:58:59Z","speaker_name":"Mr. Muhammad"},{"id":"seg_98896_111","meeting_id":"98896","media_asset_id":"med_98896_fe917dc459816e8d","agenda_item_id":null,"speaker_id":"spk_98896_public_commenter","speaker_confidence":0.9,"start_sec":1179.49,"end_sec":1282.89,"text":"Out from Roddy Village to New Street, to Governors, Queen, that's where I be at every day, every other day. What is really the purpose of the Human Relations? What are y'all doing? I really need to know! Now we do got another meeting this Thursday the 19th at Owl Nest 35, and we take everybody's intellect that can help us grow to become better, the means make our community a safe and decent place to live. It was my cousin who just got shot out there at Country Club, where her children beefing with D-side children. They innocent in her... Her husband was innocent, but he got a bag now that he got to walk around carry. She got shot in the shoulder, but she paralyzed. What is the purpose of the Human Relations? What are we really doing? Reginald Handy got killed by cops out Calvert Green, and I don't see no relationship in this. Every time I come down here, it has nothing to do with those types of situations. It really don't! It's rhetoric.","topics_json":"[\"public_safety\"]","vector_id":"vec_seg_98896_111","created_at":"2026-10-31T05:58:59Z","speaker_name":null},{"id":"seg_98896_112","meeting_id":"98896","media_asset_id":"med_98896_fe917dc459816e8d","agenda_item_id":null,"speaker_id":"spk_98896_public_commenter","speaker_confidence":0.9,"start_sec":1282.89,"end_sec":1322.89,"text":"Being a politician, being a side show... scratch where you don't itch, laugh when the joke ain't funny, handkerchief head, whatever Malcolm X taught us what it is. This is what I see, and I'm like, really? If you're not going to tighten up, everybody need to dismiss yourself, cause I can form a crew that can come in here and run the Human Relations. That's easy, if you follow the policies and the aim and the purpose of what the Human Relations is for. But if you're just going to come down here and make your credentials good and has continued status quo, according to the biblical, that means nothing. What man shall lose his life shall gain his life, what man shall gain his life shall lose his life. What is the purpose of the Human Relations and when are y'all going to function at that capacity? Go ahead, bro.","topics_json":"[\"public_safety\"]","vector_id":"vec_seg_98896_112","created_at":"2026-10-31T05:58:59Z","speaker_name":null},{"id":"seg_98896_113","meeting_id":"98896","media_asset_id":"med_98896_fe917dc459816e8d","agenda_item_id":null,"speaker_id":"spk_98896_commissioner","speaker_confidence":0.85,"start_sec":1322.89,"end_sec":1362.29,"text":"All right, to get some clarification. When, after I had the conversation with you, Travis Southern was notified. And like explained to you directly, the Human Relation Board goes anywhere we're invited. You know, we don't Most of our people work, I'm retired, my colleague to the left of me is retired. We'll come out anywhere we need to be. The bottom line, we are fact finding. We don't make policy. We don't make laws. If someone puts in a complaint, it goes through the attorney. As it comes to us, we fact find and submit our recommendations and information we gathered to the city. We're not shucking anything. I'm retired. I have no goals to do to help the com- just my goal is to help the community. I'm not gaining anything. We get no stipends, we get no prestige. The only thing I got is business cards and this shirt.","topics_json":"[\"public_safety\"]","vector_id":"vec_seg_98896_113","created_at":"2026-10-31T05:58:59Z","speaker_name":null},{"id":"seg_98896_114","meeting_id":"98896","media_asset_id":"med_98896_fe917dc459816e8d","agenda_item_id":null,"speaker_id":"spk_98896_commissioner","speaker_confidence":0.85,"start_sec":1362.29,"end_sec":1376.07,"text":"So we are devoted to the community. And when you said you had your meeting, Dr. Sudler and I made sure we were there. Because we didn't know about you. Once we found out you wanted us there, we came. If you have a meeting this Thursday, the same place, what time, I'll be glad to come this Thursday. But, you know, we're doing the best we can. We have limitations what we can do. We don't make policy or law. That's mayor and council. And if I was talking out of turn, not saying something correctly, please, my colleagues, the commissioners, please correct me.","topics_json":"[\"public_safety\"]","vector_id":"vec_seg_98896_114","created_at":"2026-10-31T05:58:59Z","speaker_name":null},{"id":"seg_98896_115","meeting_id":"98896","media_asset_id":"med_98896_fe917dc459816e8d","agenda_item_id":null,"speaker_id":"spk_98896_commissioner_2","speaker_confidence":0.85,"start_sec":1376.07,"end_sec":1376.07,"text":"He's telling you the correct thing. This commission is I understand what you're saying about Reginald Handy, and rest in peace to Reginald Handy and his family. You know, however, the commission's sole purpose is not to","topics_json":"[\"public_safety\"]","vector_id":"vec_seg_98896_115","created_at":"2026-10-31T05:58:59Z","speaker_name":null},{"id":"seg_98896_116","meeting_id":"98896","media_asset_id":"med_98896_fe917dc459816e8d","agenda_item_id":null,"speaker_id":"spk_98896_travis_holmes","speaker_confidence":0.95,"start_sec":1376.07,"end_sec":1509.37,"text":"to address the Reginald Hannan situation, that has moved on to the Delaware State Human Relations Commission. So if you want to continue with, um, you know, fighting for Reginald Hannan and the police doing something to Reginald Hannan, then the recommendation is to speak with the State Attorney General's office. Because to come here to the City of Dover and complain about the City of Dover, you see, you keep coming back, and it's a repeated cycle. So if you want to move forward, the recommendation regarding the Reginald Hannan situation and things being done about that, you would want to see the State Attorney General's office on that aspect. When it comes to the Dover Human Relations Commission, you're not going to see us all together in the community at one time, because that's creating a quorum, and we're not allowed to do that. We would have to put some type of, that's just City policy. So if you, if you want to look to replace us, you have that right. It's nothing wrong with that. I invite that. That's good to get more people involved. Healthy competition is good. Next, um, another thing, we don't get paid, and I am in the community. Just last Wednesday, I fed more than 30 of, uh, underrepresented and folks who needed that. And I do that at Mount Zion with my own money. So, uh, I did make those explanations at the meeting that we came to. I won't be able to make the next one, but I will be at some others. I have some things that I'm already obligated to for on that next, uh, 19th that you were talking about. However, I do plan to come and make some more. I spoke with, uh, Brother Stratton, um, and I'm real familiar with him, and I'm sure that we'll have some more dialogue. Thank you for coming out tonight.","topics_json":"[\"public_safety\"]","vector_id":"vec_seg_98896_116","created_at":"2026-10-31T05:58:59Z","speaker_name":"Travis Holmes"},{"id":"seg_98896_117","meeting_id":"98896","media_asset_id":"med_98896_fe917dc459816e8d","agenda_item_id":null,"speaker_id":"spk_98896_commissioner","speaker_confidence":0.9,"start_sec":1509.37,"end_sec":1510.17,"text":"Travis?","topics_json":"[]","vector_id":"vec_seg_98896_117","created_at":"2026-10-31T05:58:59Z","speaker_name":null},{"id":"seg_98896_118","meeting_id":"98896","media_asset_id":"med_98896_fe917dc459816e8d","agenda_item_id":null,"speaker_id":"spk_98896_travis_holmes","speaker_confidence":0.95,"start_sec":1510.17,"end_sec":1510.97,"text":"Yes, sir.","topics_json":"[]","vector_id":"vec_seg_98896_118","created_at":"2026-10-31T05:58:59Z","speaker_name":"Travis Holmes"},{"id":"seg_98896_119","meeting_id":"98896","media_asset_id":"med_98896_fe917dc459816e8d","agenda_item_id":null,"speaker_id":"spk_98896_commissioner","speaker_confidence":0.9,"start_sec":1510.97,"end_sec":1511.57,"text":"Say something?","topics_json":"[]","vector_id":"vec_seg_98896_119","created_at":"2026-10-31T05:58:59Z","speaker_name":null},{"id":"seg_98896_12","meeting_id":"98896","media_asset_id":"med_98896_fe917dc459816e8d","agenda_item_id":null,"speaker_id":"spk_98896_chair","speaker_confidence":1,"start_sec":99.3,"end_sec":106.86,"text":"It's been properly moved and seconded that we adopt the agenda for this evening, March 17th, 2026? Yes, with moving the 10 minutes to the end.","topics_json":"[]","vector_id":"vec_seg_98896_12","created_at":"2026-10-31T05:58:59Z","speaker_name":null},{"id":"seg_98896_120","meeting_id":"98896","media_asset_id":"med_98896_fe917dc459816e8d","agenda_item_id":null,"speaker_id":"spk_98896_travis_holmes","speaker_confidence":0.95,"start_sec":1511.57,"end_sec":1512.07,"text":"Yeah.","topics_json":"[]","vector_id":"vec_seg_98896_120","created_at":"2026-10-31T05:58:59Z","speaker_name":"Travis Holmes"},{"id":"seg_98896_121","meeting_id":"98896","media_asset_id":"med_98896_fe917dc459816e8d","agenda_item_id":null,"speaker_id":"spk_98896_commissioner","speaker_confidence":0.9,"start_sec":1512.07,"end_sec":1543.37,"text":"My understanding is that the Dover Human Relations Commission's job is to identify or, if, when identified, to prevent discrimination. And a person that feels that they've been discriminated against, or have an issue, they fill out a form from, by the, to the City, and then they're, that's referred to the Dover Human Relations Commission for hearing and to try to come up with a resolution. I've been on the Commission for years, and I'm still waiting for a discrimination piece to be filed for us. The way I see it, and I know discrimination takes place, but we haven't had anyone that was able to file a complaint and get it to our Commission for us to work on.","topics_json":"[]","vector_id":"vec_seg_98896_121","created_at":"2026-10-31T05:58:59Z","speaker_name":null},{"id":"seg_98896_122","meeting_id":"98896","media_asset_id":"med_98896_fe917dc459816e8d","agenda_item_id":null,"speaker_id":"spk_98896_travis_holmes","speaker_confidence":0.95,"start_sec":1543.37,"end_sec":1572.65,"text":"And let me, let me, um, say something to that. This can help you and help us. The process, the intake form you can find here, uh, on paper, but you can also find that intake form online. If you download it offline, fill it out, and you send it in, it goes to the City Clerk's office first. It's the, it goes through the City Clerk's review. I don't know who, who reviews those intake forms, but then there is a decision on if that intake form should go to the Dover Human Relations or not. We don't even get to see the initial hand-in. And and and I have a problem with that myself. So that's why I said this is where you might be able to help us, because I think we, even if they say that, you know, this is not a case for you, which they have the right to do, that's that's the procedure, that's the bylaw--","topics_json":"[]","vector_id":"vec_seg_98896_122","created_at":"2026-10-31T05:58:59Z","speaker_name":"Travis Holmes"},{"id":"seg_98896_123","meeting_id":"98896","media_asset_id":"med_98896_fe917dc459816e8d","agenda_item_id":null,"speaker_id":"spk_98896_travis_holmes","speaker_confidence":0.9,"start_sec":1572.65,"end_sec":1589.15,"text":"that's that's their rules. If they say this is not a case for you, I still feel that we have the right to see what they want us to look at. Whether we're able to rule on it, uh make a decision on it, recommendations or not, we still need to see what the people want us to know.","topics_json":"[]","vector_id":"vec_seg_98896_123","created_at":"2026-10-31T05:58:59Z","speaker_name":"Travis Holmes"},{"id":"seg_98896_124","meeting_id":"98896","media_asset_id":"med_98896_fe917dc459816e8d","agenda_item_id":null,"speaker_id":"spk_98896_travis_holmes","speaker_confidence":0.9,"start_sec":1589.15,"end_sec":1605.85,"text":"And we don't, and and now we don't get that chance. And I and I don't have no problem saying it. If it's the intake form came in last week, I don't know nothing about it. So if it's some things you want to see done, I'm going to ask you to start with the intake form so we can see where some where we having some problems with this process.","topics_json":"[]","vector_id":"vec_seg_98896_124","created_at":"2026-10-31T05:58:59Z","speaker_name":"Travis Holmes"},{"id":"seg_98896_125","meeting_id":"98896","media_asset_id":"med_98896_fe917dc459816e8d","agenda_item_id":null,"speaker_id":"spk_98896_travis_holmes","speaker_confidence":0.9,"start_sec":1605.85,"end_sec":1617.15,"text":"Because the truth of the matter is they have now we are only able to review policies and procedures for fairness within the city.","topics_json":"[]","vector_id":"vec_seg_98896_125","created_at":"2026-10-31T05:58:59Z","speaker_name":"Travis Holmes"},{"id":"seg_98896_126","meeting_id":"98896","media_asset_id":"med_98896_fe917dc459816e8d","agenda_item_id":null,"speaker_id":"spk_98896_travis_holmes","speaker_confidence":0.9,"start_sec":1617.15,"end_sec":1627.35,"text":"If you have a business and you have to work with the city, right, whether you have to pay for business uh license, your taxes, um permits, any of those things, and you feel they're treating you wrong,","topics_json":"[\"business\",\"taxes\"]","vector_id":"vec_seg_98896_126","created_at":"2026-10-31T05:58:59Z","speaker_name":"Travis Holmes"},{"id":"seg_98896_127","meeting_id":"98896","media_asset_id":"med_98896_fe917dc459816e8d","agenda_item_id":null,"speaker_id":"spk_98896_travis_holmes","speaker_confidence":0.9,"start_sec":1627.35,"end_sec":1673.55,"text":"it's intake form time. It needs to come to us, and we need to address the city, the policies, the procedures with City Council. They're the ones who want to have the ultimate decision, City Council, Mayor, and and all of them.","topics_json":"[]","vector_id":"vec_seg_98896_127","created_at":"2026-10-31T05:58:59Z","speaker_name":"Travis Holmes"},{"id":"seg_98896_128","meeting_id":"98896","media_asset_id":"med_98896_fe917dc459816e8d","agenda_item_id":null,"speaker_id":"spk_98896_travis_holmes","speaker_confidence":0.9,"start_sec":1673.55,"end_sec":1688.15,"text":"We don't have no decision, but it's us who bring it to the to make sure we bring it to light. And we can't bring it to light if we don't see it. You see what I mean? So that's what I'm asking for.","topics_json":"[]","vector_id":"vec_seg_98896_128","created_at":"2026-10-31T05:58:59Z","speaker_name":"Travis Holmes"},{"id":"seg_98896_129","meeting_id":"98896","media_asset_id":"med_98896_fe917dc459816e8d","agenda_item_id":null,"speaker_id":"spk_98896_commissioner","speaker_confidence":0.85,"start_sec":1688.15,"end_sec":1689.85,"text":"Travis, the the other piece—","topics_json":"[]","vector_id":"vec_seg_98896_129","created_at":"2026-10-31T05:58:59Z","speaker_name":null},{"id":"seg_98896_13","meeting_id":"98896","media_asset_id":"med_98896_fe917dc459816e8d","agenda_item_id":null,"speaker_id":"spk_98896_chair","speaker_confidence":1,"start_sec":107,"end_sec":110.77,"text":"Okay. Everybody had a moment to look at the minutes? I'll accept a motion.","topics_json":"[]","vector_id":"vec_seg_98896_13","created_at":"2026-10-31T05:58:59Z","speaker_name":null},{"id":"seg_98896_130","meeting_id":"98896","media_asset_id":"med_98896_fe917dc459816e8d","agenda_item_id":null,"speaker_id":"spk_98896_travis_holmes","speaker_confidence":0.9,"start_sec":1689.85,"end_sec":1690.65,"text":"Yes.","topics_json":"[]","vector_id":"vec_seg_98896_130","created_at":"2026-10-31T05:58:59Z","speaker_name":"Travis Holmes"},{"id":"seg_98896_131","meeting_id":"98896","media_asset_id":"med_98896_fe917dc459816e8d","agenda_item_id":null,"speaker_id":"spk_98896_commissioner","speaker_confidence":0.85,"start_sec":1690.65,"end_sec":1712.45,"text":"is as people file intake forms highlighting what their concerns are, where they feel discriminated against, blah blah blah, it goes back to the city. The city attorney also reviews it, and the city attorney has the option of stopping it or sending it forward to the Dover Human Relations Commission for resolution.","topics_json":"[]","vector_id":"vec_seg_98896_131","created_at":"2026-10-31T05:58:59Z","speaker_name":null},{"id":"seg_98896_132","meeting_id":"98896","media_asset_id":"med_98896_fe917dc459816e8d","agenda_item_id":null,"speaker_id":"spk_98896_travis_holmes","speaker_confidence":0.9,"start_sec":1713.05,"end_sec":1727.55,"text":"And and I and and I'm not looking to change that. What I want look to change is we need to still know. We still need to know because they have that right. We we don't get paid. This is not our job. And then you have the city has their attorney, and he knows more legality than anybody here.","topics_json":"[]","vector_id":"vec_seg_98896_132","created_at":"2026-10-31T05:58:59Z","speaker_name":"Travis Holmes"},{"id":"seg_98896_133","meeting_id":"98896","media_asset_id":"med_98896_fe917dc459816e8d","agenda_item_id":null,"speaker_id":"spk_98896_travis_holmes","speaker_confidence":0.9,"start_sec":1727.65,"end_sec":1732.85,"text":"But still, if our form is being filled out, we need to know what's on that form.","topics_json":"[]","vector_id":"vec_seg_98896_133","created_at":"2026-10-31T05:58:59Z","speaker_name":"Travis Holmes"},{"id":"seg_98896_134","meeting_id":"98896","media_asset_id":"med_98896_fe917dc459816e8d","agenda_item_id":null,"speaker_id":"spk_98896_unknown_speaker","speaker_confidence":0.8,"start_sec":1732.85,"end_sec":1735.35,"text":"Yes, sir. We need to know the community concerns.","topics_json":"[]","vector_id":"vec_seg_98896_134","created_at":"2026-10-31T05:58:59Z","speaker_name":null},{"id":"seg_98896_135","meeting_id":"98896","media_asset_id":"med_98896_fe917dc459816e8d","agenda_item_id":null,"speaker_id":"spk_98896_gene","speaker_confidence":0.85,"start_sec":1735.55,"end_sec":1738.35,"text":"What time is your meeting on Thursday? Is it the same location?","topics_json":"[]","vector_id":"vec_seg_98896_135","created_at":"2026-10-31T05:58:59Z","speaker_name":"Gene"},{"id":"seg_98896_136","meeting_id":"98896","media_asset_id":"med_98896_fe917dc459816e8d","agenda_item_id":null,"speaker_id":"spk_98896_travis_holmes","speaker_confidence":0.9,"start_sec":1738.45,"end_sec":1740.25,"text":"Same location, 6:00.","topics_json":"[]","vector_id":"vec_seg_98896_136","created_at":"2026-10-31T05:58:59Z","speaker_name":"Travis Holmes"},{"id":"seg_98896_137","meeting_id":"98896","media_asset_id":"med_98896_fe917dc459816e8d","agenda_item_id":null,"speaker_id":"spk_98896_gene","speaker_confidence":0.85,"start_sec":1740.35,"end_sec":1742.85,"text":"6:00. Would you like me to come again, sir?","topics_json":"[]","vector_id":"vec_seg_98896_137","created_at":"2026-10-31T05:58:59Z","speaker_name":"Gene"},{"id":"seg_98896_138","meeting_id":"98896","media_asset_id":"med_98896_fe917dc459816e8d","agenda_item_id":null,"speaker_id":"spk_98896_travis_holmes","speaker_confidence":0.9,"start_sec":1742.95,"end_sec":1743.75,"text":"Of course.","topics_json":"[]","vector_id":"vec_seg_98896_138","created_at":"2026-10-31T05:58:59Z","speaker_name":"Travis Holmes"},{"id":"seg_98896_139","meeting_id":"98896","media_asset_id":"med_98896_fe917dc459816e8d","agenda_item_id":null,"speaker_id":"spk_98896_gene","speaker_confidence":0.85,"start_sec":1743.85,"end_sec":1745.55,"text":"I'll be there this Thursday at 6:00.","topics_json":"[]","vector_id":"vec_seg_98896_139","created_at":"2026-10-31T05:58:59Z","speaker_name":"Gene"},{"id":"seg_98896_14","meeting_id":"98896","media_asset_id":"med_98896_fe917dc459816e8d","agenda_item_id":null,"speaker_id":"spk_98896_female_commissioner","speaker_confidence":1,"start_sec":110.88,"end_sec":113.45,"text":"I move to accept the minutes from our last meeting.","topics_json":"[]","vector_id":"vec_seg_98896_14","created_at":"2026-10-31T05:58:59Z","speaker_name":null},{"id":"seg_98896_140","meeting_id":"98896","media_asset_id":"med_98896_fe917dc459816e8d","agenda_item_id":null,"speaker_id":"spk_98896_travis_holmes","speaker_confidence":0.9,"start_sec":1745.65,"end_sec":1747.85,"text":"I enjoyed the last one. We missed you.","topics_json":"[]","vector_id":"vec_seg_98896_140","created_at":"2026-10-31T05:58:59Z","speaker_name":"Travis Holmes"},{"id":"seg_98896_141","meeting_id":"98896","media_asset_id":"med_98896_fe917dc459816e8d","agenda_item_id":null,"speaker_id":"spk_98896_gene","speaker_confidence":0.85,"start_sec":1749.05,"end_sec":1755.05,"text":"I got delayed in Las Vegas. My truck broke down. Had to fly back. Oh my gracious.","topics_json":"[]","vector_id":"vec_seg_98896_141","created_at":"2026-10-31T05:58:59Z","speaker_name":"Gene"},{"id":"seg_98896_142","meeting_id":"98896","media_asset_id":"med_98896_fe917dc459816e8d","agenda_item_id":null,"speaker_id":"spk_98896_travis_holmes","speaker_confidence":0.9,"start_sec":1755.15,"end_sec":1757.25,"text":"I'm glad you made it back safely.","topics_json":"[]","vector_id":"vec_seg_98896_142","created_at":"2026-10-31T05:58:59Z","speaker_name":"Travis Holmes"},{"id":"seg_98896_143","meeting_id":"98896","media_asset_id":"med_98896_fe917dc459816e8d","agenda_item_id":null,"speaker_id":"spk_98896_gene","speaker_confidence":0.85,"start_sec":1757.35,"end_sec":1757.95,"text":"Thank you.","topics_json":"[]","vector_id":"vec_seg_98896_143","created_at":"2026-10-31T05:58:59Z","speaker_name":"Gene"},{"id":"seg_98896_144","meeting_id":"98896","media_asset_id":"med_98896_fe917dc459816e8d","agenda_item_id":null,"speaker_id":"spk_98896_travis_holmes","speaker_confidence":0.9,"start_sec":1758.25,"end_sec":1758.85,"text":"Yeah.","topics_json":"[]","vector_id":"vec_seg_98896_144","created_at":"2026-10-31T05:58:59Z","speaker_name":"Travis Holmes"},{"id":"seg_98896_145","meeting_id":"98896","media_asset_id":"med_98896_fe917dc459816e8d","agenda_item_id":null,"speaker_id":"spk_98896_public_commenter","speaker_confidence":0.85,"start_sec":1759.45,"end_sec":1769.23,"text":"I'm sorry. Um I did want uh because I remember uh before February uh the question were asked as to uh what I'm doing in the community. I just prefer um I'm very busy. Um you know, we put the complaint form in place when we bring up Richard Herron. I was the original person that was involved in that whole case from beginning all the way through with family and etc. concerning that. Now, um I'm assisting with home with homeless and hope. Uh I have we have a system in place where we help people whether they uh reentering into the community, uh we assist homeless people, primarily work with men, occasionally women.","topics_json":"[\"homelessness\",\"housing\"]","vector_id":"vec_seg_98896_145","created_at":"2026-10-31T05:58:59Z","speaker_name":null},{"id":"seg_98896_146","meeting_id":"98896","media_asset_id":"med_98896_fe917dc459816e8d","agenda_item_id":null,"speaker_id":"spk_98896_chunk10_speaker","speaker_confidence":0.9,"start_sec":1769.23,"end_sec":1778.77,"text":"That's every single day. We are feeding people. We provide food for people every single day. And not only that, are we housing people? But we are dealing with black-on-black crime every single day.","topics_json":"[\"public_safety\",\"housing\"]","vector_id":"vec_seg_98896_146","created_at":"2026-10-31T05:58:59Z","speaker_name":null},{"id":"seg_98896_147","meeting_id":"98896","media_asset_id":"med_98896_fe917dc459816e8d","agenda_item_id":null,"speaker_id":"spk_98896_chunk10_speaker","speaker_confidence":0.9,"start_sec":1778.77,"end_sec":1786.74,"text":"Now, I'm I'm, uh, very visible and active. I'm not I don't put a lot of emphasis on being in the public eye with the news media, with social media, or any of that.","topics_json":"[\"public_safety\"]","vector_id":"vec_seg_98896_147","created_at":"2026-10-31T05:58:59Z","speaker_name":null},{"id":"seg_98896_148","meeting_id":"98896","media_asset_id":"med_98896_fe917dc459816e8d","agenda_item_id":null,"speaker_id":"spk_98896_chunk10_speaker","speaker_confidence":0.9,"start_sec":1786.74,"end_sec":1795.69,"text":"Well, I do know that, uh, there's a a error that if if we're all going to really work with resolving some issues that are here in the city, we have to deal with people not committing crime.","topics_json":"[\"public_safety\"]","vector_id":"vec_seg_98896_148","created_at":"2026-10-31T05:58:59Z","speaker_name":null},{"id":"seg_98896_149","meeting_id":"98896","media_asset_id":"med_98896_fe917dc459816e8d","agenda_item_id":null,"speaker_id":"spk_98896_chunk10_speaker","speaker_confidence":0.9,"start_sec":1795.69,"end_sec":1805.03,"text":"Now, uh, we have to deal with people respecting other people's property. We have to deal with those kinds of things and and not, uh, react. If no one's committing crime, there's no need for the police to be on the scene.","topics_json":"[\"public_safety\"]","vector_id":"vec_seg_98896_149","created_at":"2026-10-31T05:58:59Z","speaker_name":null},{"id":"seg_98896_15","meeting_id":"98896","media_asset_id":"med_98896_fe917dc459816e8d","agenda_item_id":null,"speaker_id":"spk_98896_faust","speaker_confidence":1,"start_sec":113.6,"end_sec":114.37,"text":"Second.","topics_json":"[]","vector_id":"vec_seg_98896_15","created_at":"2026-10-31T05:58:59Z","speaker_name":"Faust"},{"id":"seg_98896_150","meeting_id":"98896","media_asset_id":"med_98896_fe917dc459816e8d","agenda_item_id":null,"speaker_id":"spk_98896_chunk10_speaker","speaker_confidence":0.9,"start_sec":1805.03,"end_sec":1844.16,"text":"And and on on New Street, we have this where we work, I deal with property owners. Most people on New Street, they're Black, and they own their property. They're taxpayers, but then they don't get the respect. And who do they not get the respect from? We don't have a problem with the police. Who are we actually having problems with?","topics_json":"[\"housing\",\"taxes\",\"public_safety\"]","vector_id":"vec_seg_98896_150","created_at":"2026-10-31T05:58:59Z","speaker_name":null},{"id":"seg_98896_151","meeting_id":"98896","media_asset_id":"med_98896_fe917dc459816e8d","agenda_item_id":null,"speaker_id":"spk_98896_chunk10_speaker","speaker_confidence":0.9,"start_sec":1844.16,"end_sec":1856.58,"text":"Now, we have a lot of coalitions, we have a lot of things and organizations. And you ask me, where am I? I ask you, where are you? The same people that sell drugs sell them every day. They have their system in place as to how they go about doing it, and they respect one another.","topics_json":"[\"public_safety\"]","vector_id":"vec_seg_98896_151","created_at":"2026-10-31T05:58:59Z","speaker_name":null},{"id":"seg_98896_152","meeting_id":"98896","media_asset_id":"med_98896_fe917dc459816e8d","agenda_item_id":null,"speaker_id":"spk_98896_chunk10_speaker","speaker_confidence":0.9,"start_sec":1856.58,"end_sec":1867.29,"text":"Now, uh, so there are some things that we, yes, that we can do, there are things in place that, uh, as it'd be made known that can enhance what we're doing. But they're but they're the reason we exist is because we are active in the community.","topics_json":"[\"public_safety\"]","vector_id":"vec_seg_98896_152","created_at":"2026-10-31T05:58:59Z","speaker_name":null},{"id":"seg_98896_153","meeting_id":"98896","media_asset_id":"med_98896_fe917dc459816e8d","agenda_item_id":null,"speaker_id":"spk_98896_chunk10_speaker","speaker_confidence":0.9,"start_sec":1867.29,"end_sec":1906.16,"text":"Now, if you want to know what some things that are going on, then again, I I do meetings, but I'm I'm not I'm just not in ready. I want to be engaging in public meeting, because there are some, uh, dirty laundry that we need to we need to address without the public being in presence.","topics_json":"[\"public_safety\"]","vector_id":"vec_seg_98896_153","created_at":"2026-10-31T05:58:59Z","speaker_name":null},{"id":"seg_98896_154","meeting_id":"98896","media_asset_id":"med_98896_fe917dc459816e8d","agenda_item_id":null,"speaker_id":"spk_98896_chunk10_speaker","speaker_confidence":0.9,"start_sec":1906.16,"end_sec":1919.56,"text":"Now we're not addressing the addressing those things. Now you you know, uh uh, you you you say where where where am I, and where am I busy? Wherever there are hungry hungry people, we get food from the USDA that we feed constantly. People come in and out. We assist people in whatever way we can, with getting in from...","topics_json":"[\"housing\",\"public_safety\"]","vector_id":"vec_seg_98896_154","created_at":"2026-10-31T05:58:59Z","speaker_name":null},{"id":"seg_98896_155","meeting_id":"98896","media_asset_id":"med_98896_fe917dc459816e8d","agenda_item_id":null,"speaker_id":"spk_98896_chunk10_speaker","speaker_confidence":0.9,"start_sec":1919.56,"end_sec":1929.81,"text":"...we even assist people with getting their LLC, starting their own business, with things that they that they are capable of doing. So we're busy doing something. I don't I'm not, then again, I'm not interested in being out in forefront.","topics_json":"[\"business\"]","vector_id":"vec_seg_98896_155","created_at":"2026-10-31T05:58:59Z","speaker_name":null},{"id":"seg_98896_156","meeting_id":"98896","media_asset_id":"med_98896_fe917dc459816e8d","agenda_item_id":null,"speaker_id":"spk_98896_chunk10_speaker","speaker_confidence":0.9,"start_sec":1929.81,"end_sec":1965.81,"text":"I'm not interested in, uh, conducting meetings, meeting with the mayor, with the public involved. I'll meet with the mayor, but I'm but I'm not, uh, interested in meeting with all the public, uh, notifications.","topics_json":"[\"public_safety\"]","vector_id":"vec_seg_98896_156","created_at":"2026-10-31T05:58:59Z","speaker_name":null},{"id":"seg_98896_157","meeting_id":"98896","media_asset_id":"med_98896_fe917dc459816e8d","agenda_item_id":null,"speaker_id":"spk_98896_chunk10_speaker","speaker_confidence":0.9,"start_sec":1965.81,"end_sec":1965.81,"text":"See, because there are a lot of things that we can do that the coalition and that others are not involved in. Yeah, yeah, you you you react, but the proactive aspect of it, I have to ask you, where are you? See...","topics_json":"[\"public_safety\"]","vector_id":"vec_seg_98896_157","created_at":"2026-10-31T05:58:59Z","speaker_name":null},{"id":"seg_98896_158","meeting_id":"98896","media_asset_id":"med_98896_fe917dc459816e8d","agenda_item_id":null,"speaker_id":"spk_98896_chunk11_speaker","speaker_confidence":0.8,"start_sec":1965.81,"end_sec":2125.71,"text":"When when, uh, young kids can't get to a place where they can enter school to further their education because their the parents don't have $200 to get them a ticket, what then? Where are you? We are engaging in those things in helping parents to to extend the education of their children, see. Now, so so, uh, I'm I'm aware of all I've gone to so many meetings, you know, I'm aware of all of those of of all the meetings, uh, that are that are taking place. And so, uh, I'm easy to find. I have an office on New Street, and I'm there. I'm not there as much as I used to because there are other individuals that are that are assisting me. Well, uh, when you ask the question of of us being in existence because of, yeah, we are here because of that Reggie Hall. We've met once and once. There are complaint forms. We got that from following the example of something that they were doing in Arizona, and we brought it here, and revised it. And it's available. So if if the complaint form If you know of some situation, then uh give them that complaint form. You give them the complaint form, there's protocol and procedure with it. And if that's not being utilized for the purpose of which it was put in place, then we have have something that we can address. But I I want I want you to know that there are individuals that are busy and that are actually doing things in the community. If it wasn't, look at what for certain things would be much, much, much worse. And that you know, uh, do what we want to do is, we want to, uh, deal with individuals that is in our community that have that feel the liberty to break going to someone's house and to shoot someone up. You know, we want to deal with it. It existed prior to it happening. So we don't want to be the individuals that find out about it after it happened. We want to know about it before it happened. And I'm I'm face-to-face with you saying that it can be done, because it is being done. It can be done on a larger scale with the coalition, and with everyone that, uh, that saying that we want to make improvement, we want the community to be safer. Who do we want to be safer, and and from who? If you want to hook Now I got to have back surgery, but I tell you what, if you want to hook up with me for a day, and you want to walk in the shoes that I'm walking in for a day, I want you to do that. And at the end of the day, then we can talk.","topics_json":"[\"public_safety\"]","vector_id":"vec_seg_98896_158","created_at":"2026-10-31T05:58:59Z","speaker_name":null},{"id":"seg_98896_159","meeting_id":"98896","media_asset_id":"med_98896_fe917dc459816e8d","agenda_item_id":null,"speaker_id":"spk_98896_chunk11_speaker","speaker_confidence":0.7,"start_sec":2125.71,"end_sec":2128.51,"text":"We have a hand from our NeighborGood Partners.","topics_json":"[]","vector_id":"vec_seg_98896_159","created_at":"2026-10-31T05:58:59Z","speaker_name":null},{"id":"seg_98896_16","meeting_id":"98896","media_asset_id":"med_98896_fe917dc459816e8d","agenda_item_id":null,"speaker_id":"spk_98896_chair","speaker_confidence":1,"start_sec":114.45,"end_sec":120.86,"text":"It's been properly moved and seconded that we accept the minutes from the last meeting. Are we ready for the question? Ready for the question? All those in favor?","topics_json":"[]","vector_id":"vec_seg_98896_16","created_at":"2026-10-31T05:58:59Z","speaker_name":null},{"id":"seg_98896_160","meeting_id":"98896","media_asset_id":"med_98896_fe917dc459816e8d","agenda_item_id":null,"speaker_id":"spk_98896_reginald_daniel","speaker_confidence":0.95,"start_sec":2130.31,"end_sec":2162.39,"text":"Uh, good evening, everyone. Uh, to those who may not know me, my name is Reginald Daniel. I am one of the, um, community engagement specialists at NeighborGood Partners Restoring Central Dover program. Uh, in listening to the previous conversation, um, what I think might be beneficial is, as the gentleman before me was talking about, is really focusing in on bringing the community into the Human Relations, uh, Commission. And not just that, um, especially us partnering","topics_json":"[\"public_safety\"]","vector_id":"vec_seg_98896_160","created_at":"2026-10-31T05:58:59Z","speaker_name":"Reginald Daniel"},{"id":"seg_98896_161","meeting_id":"98896","media_asset_id":"med_98896_fe917dc459816e8d","agenda_item_id":null,"speaker_id":"spk_98896_public_commenter","speaker_confidence":0.8,"start_sec":2162.39,"end_sec":2200.89,"text":"is giving the opportunity to teach the civic process, because it is a very confusing thing to understand. And the way I think about, the way I try to describe it to the people I work with, is that a lot of what we see, what we're taught as young children is the process of city council, mayor, governor, president is actually a spiderweb of interlocking points, and that if you don't fully understand the process, or at least where how one point links to another, then you get these points and periods of frustration of not understanding how we're making that meaning and effectuating change.","topics_json":"[]","vector_id":"vec_seg_98896_161","created_at":"2026-10-31T05:58:59Z","speaker_name":null},{"id":"seg_98896_162","meeting_id":"98896","media_asset_id":"med_98896_fe917dc459816e8d","agenda_item_id":null,"speaker_id":"spk_98896_public_commenter","speaker_confidence":0.8,"start_sec":2200.89,"end_sec":2221.19,"text":"And listening to what you were saying about how this program or this commission was to address a very specific problem, and yet the intake form that you've brought in, you are not at liberty to see or even be informed about, is to me a critical failure, not on your part, but a critical failure of policy.","topics_json":"[]","vector_id":"vec_seg_98896_162","created_at":"2026-10-31T05:58:59Z","speaker_name":null},{"id":"seg_98896_163","meeting_id":"98896","media_asset_id":"med_98896_fe917dc459816e8d","agenda_item_id":null,"speaker_id":"spk_98896_public_commenter","speaker_confidence":0.8,"start_sec":2221.19,"end_sec":2258.89,"text":"So maybe then one thing that would work is to bring the gentleman and the commission, or and the coalition, into these meetings, and let's have a conversation of what can we do to advocate to the City Council or the City of Dover that the Human Relations Commission needs to have access to these intake forms. How do we streamline the intake forms to be, have greater ease of access? How do we make them more reliable, not reliable, how do we make them more accessible to the residents of our community who may not be as tech-savvy, who may not have reliable access to smart devices? How do we continue to bring them in and walk them through the process?","topics_json":"[]","vector_id":"vec_seg_98896_163","created_at":"2026-10-31T05:58:59Z","speaker_name":null},{"id":"seg_98896_164","meeting_id":"98896","media_asset_id":"med_98896_fe917dc459816e8d","agenda_item_id":null,"speaker_id":"spk_98896_public_commenter","speaker_confidence":0.8,"start_sec":2258.89,"end_sec":2311.19,"text":"The way I look at this to try and help visualize it with the people I work with is where a lot of people we work with have technical skills. They either work trades, or they have lived some variety of manual trade all their lives. Where I've grown and been educated in the administrative point, what we're seeing here is a disconnect in skill set, where we're trying to bring our, where we should be bringing our community to understand the skill set that they need to be successful, to be advocates in such a way that while we still have that energy and that fire, we understand the quiet part. The famous adage I've always heard is that there's a lot of people who want to die for a revolution, but not a lot of people who want to do the dishes. That, what can we do to make sure people even know where the kitchen is? How do we get started on cooking before we look at the finished product?","topics_json":"[]","vector_id":"vec_seg_98896_164","created_at":"2026-10-31T05:58:59Z","speaker_name":null},{"id":"seg_98896_165","meeting_id":"98896","media_asset_id":"med_98896_fe917dc459816e8d","agenda_item_id":null,"speaker_id":"spk_98896_public_commenter","speaker_confidence":0.8,"start_sec":2311.19,"end_sec":2341.39,"text":"So, to you, Bishop Mott, we thank you for all that you do, and I've worked with you from time to time and seen you out on New Street. And where can we advocate for where we have an issue with the homeowners who are having their properties damaged? What can we do to partner with our community and our community leaders to ensure that those properties are maintained? But then how do we also address the social determinants of health, that a lot, not a lot of people have access to reliable and affordable housing?","topics_json":"[\"housing\"]","vector_id":"vec_seg_98896_165","created_at":"2026-10-31T05:58:59Z","speaker_name":null},{"id":"seg_98896_166","meeting_id":"98896","media_asset_id":"med_98896_fe917dc459816e8d","agenda_item_id":null,"speaker_id":"spk_98896_public_commenter","speaker_confidence":0.8,"start_sec":2341.39,"end_sec":2358.97,"text":"Last week at the Council Committee of the Whole, there was a entire presentation on the development of tiny homes and the discussion of reforming how our zoning laws work so that we can put more than one property on an acre, or even less than an acre, which would help get...","topics_json":"[\"housing\",\"zoning\"]","vector_id":"vec_seg_98896_166","created_at":"2026-10-31T05:58:59Z","speaker_name":null},{"id":"seg_98896_167","meeting_id":"98896","media_asset_id":"med_98896_fe917dc459816e8d","agenda_item_id":null,"speaker_id":"spk_98896_mr_daniel","speaker_confidence":0.9,"start_sec":2358.97,"end_sec":2402.77,"text":"the homeless off the street and into places that they can call their own, that they can take pride in, that they can build up. That when we have people who first and foremost have a place of stability and peace, then we can begin the recovery process. So, then, I ask to those of you who are in attendance in the Commission, and to those in the audience with me, let's find a way to work together on this. But especially, let's find a way to first and foremost make sure that the Human Relations Commission has access to the intake form and that we advocate to City Council that we need to have that access, we need to have that awareness, and we need to streamline the process so that each and every one of us can reliably and safely engage with our community.","topics_json":"[\"homelessness\",\"housing\"]","vector_id":"vec_seg_98896_167","created_at":"2026-10-31T05:58:59Z","speaker_name":"Mr. Daniel"},{"id":"seg_98896_168","meeting_id":"98896","media_asset_id":"med_98896_fe917dc459816e8d","agenda_item_id":null,"speaker_id":"spk_98896_chair","speaker_confidence":0.9,"start_sec":2402.77,"end_sec":2404.17,"text":"Thank you, Mr. Daniel.","topics_json":"[]","vector_id":"vec_seg_98896_168","created_at":"2026-10-31T05:58:59Z","speaker_name":null},{"id":"seg_98896_169","meeting_id":"98896","media_asset_id":"med_98896_fe917dc459816e8d","agenda_item_id":null,"speaker_id":"spk_98896_commissioner_1","speaker_confidence":0.85,"start_sec":2404.17,"end_sec":2424.47,"text":"Mr. Chairman, I'm just thinking, uh do you think it would be uh appropriate for us to start making sure that the uh intake forms placed in some locations where people might feel more comfortable with going and getting the proper assistance to fill it out?","topics_json":"[]","vector_id":"vec_seg_98896_169","created_at":"2026-10-31T05:58:59Z","speaker_name":null},{"id":"seg_98896_17","meeting_id":"98896","media_asset_id":"med_98896_fe917dc459816e8d","agenda_item_id":null,"speaker_id":"spk_98896_female_commissioner","speaker_confidence":1,"start_sec":120.95,"end_sec":121.77,"text":"Aye.","topics_json":"[]","vector_id":"vec_seg_98896_17","created_at":"2026-10-31T05:58:59Z","speaker_name":null},{"id":"seg_98896_170","meeting_id":"98896","media_asset_id":"med_98896_fe917dc459816e8d","agenda_item_id":null,"speaker_id":"spk_98896_chair","speaker_confidence":0.9,"start_sec":2424.47,"end_sec":2438.17,"text":"I think that would be a good idea, since it's already a a form that's placed in the public. It's on the World Wide Web. I think that uh we can be able to print that form out and put it in public places as well.","topics_json":"[]","vector_id":"vec_seg_98896_170","created_at":"2026-10-31T05:58:59Z","speaker_name":null},{"id":"seg_98896_171","meeting_id":"98896","media_asset_id":"med_98896_fe917dc459816e8d","agenda_item_id":null,"speaker_id":"spk_98896_commissioner_1","speaker_confidence":0.85,"start_sec":2438.17,"end_sec":2444.77,"text":"So all the individuals that are are players, uh even with the Neighborhood Good—","topics_json":"[]","vector_id":"vec_seg_98896_171","created_at":"2026-10-31T05:58:59Z","speaker_name":null},{"id":"seg_98896_172","meeting_id":"98896","media_asset_id":"med_98896_fe917dc459816e8d","agenda_item_id":null,"speaker_id":"spk_98896_chair","speaker_confidence":0.9,"start_sec":2444.77,"end_sec":2446.97,"text":"They can have some intake forms. I think that would be fair.","topics_json":"[]","vector_id":"vec_seg_98896_172","created_at":"2026-10-31T05:58:59Z","speaker_name":null},{"id":"seg_98896_173","meeting_id":"98896","media_asset_id":"med_98896_fe917dc459816e8d","agenda_item_id":null,"speaker_id":"spk_98896_commissioner_1","speaker_confidence":0.85,"start_sec":2446.97,"end_sec":2449.67,"text":"And the, uh damn Coalition.","topics_json":"[]","vector_id":"vec_seg_98896_173","created_at":"2026-10-31T05:58:59Z","speaker_name":null},{"id":"seg_98896_174","meeting_id":"98896","media_asset_id":"med_98896_fe917dc459816e8d","agenda_item_id":null,"speaker_id":"spk_98896_chair","speaker_confidence":0.9,"start_sec":2449.67,"end_sec":2452.57,"text":"They have some. I gave two of them this evening.","topics_json":"[]","vector_id":"vec_seg_98896_174","created_at":"2026-10-31T05:58:59Z","speaker_name":null},{"id":"seg_98896_175","meeting_id":"98896","media_asset_id":"med_98896_fe917dc459816e8d","agenda_item_id":null,"speaker_id":"spk_98896_commissioner_1","speaker_confidence":0.85,"start_sec":2452.57,"end_sec":2473.97,"text":"Yeah, and then it can be known that we have no problem with the forms, but at the same time we're making known that uh we have placed the form where uh individual that had a problem, they have easy access to it. And they'll also have the help there to uh fill the form out.","topics_json":"[]","vector_id":"vec_seg_98896_175","created_at":"2026-10-31T05:58:59Z","speaker_name":null},{"id":"seg_98896_176","meeting_id":"98896","media_asset_id":"med_98896_fe917dc459816e8d","agenda_item_id":null,"speaker_id":"spk_98896_chair","speaker_confidence":0.9,"start_sec":2473.97,"end_sec":2484.07,"text":"I think uh places like the uh post office would be good. Just like they have a public bulletin and they have public announcements, and the public post office is a place for public announcements, so...","topics_json":"[]","vector_id":"vec_seg_98896_176","created_at":"2026-10-31T05:58:59Z","speaker_name":null},{"id":"seg_98896_177","meeting_id":"98896","media_asset_id":"med_98896_fe917dc459816e8d","agenda_item_id":null,"speaker_id":"spk_98896_commissioner_2","speaker_confidence":0.85,"start_sec":2484.07,"end_sec":2500.17,"text":"How about entering the city, like city of Dover station, place one of the bins up there, uh City Hall where they come for the information desk, when they pay their taxes, see if we can leave uh... You got a little file there. People can see, you know, the little thing saying Human Relations Commission forms, etc.","topics_json":"[\"taxes\"]","vector_id":"vec_seg_98896_177","created_at":"2026-10-31T05:58:59Z","speaker_name":null},{"id":"seg_98896_178","meeting_id":"98896","media_asset_id":"med_98896_fe917dc459816e8d","agenda_item_id":null,"speaker_id":"spk_98896_chair","speaker_confidence":0.9,"start_sec":2500.17,"end_sec":2503.87,"text":"Right, and we can go a little bit deeper than that. We can place it in places like churches.","topics_json":"[]","vector_id":"vec_seg_98896_178","created_at":"2026-10-31T05:58:59Z","speaker_name":null},{"id":"seg_98896_179","meeting_id":"98896","media_asset_id":"med_98896_fe917dc459816e8d","agenda_item_id":null,"speaker_id":"spk_98896_commissioner_2","speaker_confidence":0.85,"start_sec":2503.87,"end_sec":2506.17,"text":"That's a good idea. Synagogues.","topics_json":"[]","vector_id":"vec_seg_98896_179","created_at":"2026-10-31T05:58:59Z","speaker_name":null},{"id":"seg_98896_18","meeting_id":"98896","media_asset_id":"med_98896_fe917dc459816e8d","agenda_item_id":null,"speaker_id":"spk_98896_faust","speaker_confidence":1,"start_sec":121.3,"end_sec":122.16,"text":"Aye.","topics_json":"[]","vector_id":"vec_seg_98896_18","created_at":"2026-10-31T05:58:59Z","speaker_name":"Faust"},{"id":"seg_98896_180","meeting_id":"98896","media_asset_id":"med_98896_fe917dc459816e8d","agenda_item_id":null,"speaker_id":"spk_98896_wanda_fleming","speaker_confidence":0.9,"start_sec":2506.17,"end_sec":2551.37,"text":"I wanted to clarify the intake form is completed by an individual who may be feeling that he's discriminated against or some other reason. And when it goes when it's turned back in to the city, it's reviewed not to keep it from the Human Relations Commission, but to take the complaint and see if another agency within the city, another department, could handle the situation more quickly or better. So, it's not something that they're doing to keep stuff from getting to us. It's just reviewed by the city and put in the appropriate place.","topics_json":"[]","vector_id":"vec_seg_98896_180","created_at":"2026-10-31T05:58:59Z","speaker_name":"Wanda Fleming"},{"id":"seg_98896_181","meeting_id":"98896","media_asset_id":"med_98896_fe917dc459816e8d","agenda_item_id":null,"speaker_id":"spk_98896_chair","speaker_confidence":0.9,"start_sec":2551.37,"end_sec":2555.55,"text":"Commissioner Fleming, we all agree right with you. Um I think we're talking about—","topics_json":"[]","vector_id":"vec_seg_98896_181","created_at":"2026-10-31T05:58:59Z","speaker_name":null},{"id":"seg_98896_182","meeting_id":"98896","media_asset_id":"med_98896_fe917dc459816e8d","agenda_item_id":null,"speaker_id":"off_roy_sudler_jr","speaker_confidence":0.95,"start_sec":2555.55,"end_sec":2567.56,"text":"about beyond that point when they make the decision uh whether it should be for another city agency to take care of, um the Dover Human Relations Commission should be notified that they had an intake form asking about this concern and it was uh uh appropriated to a different agency. That type of notification.","topics_json":"[]","vector_id":"vec_seg_98896_182","created_at":"2026-10-31T05:58:59Z","speaker_name":"Roy Sudler, Jr."},{"id":"seg_98896_183","meeting_id":"98896","media_asset_id":"med_98896_fe917dc459816e8d","agenda_item_id":null,"speaker_id":"spk_98896_commissioner","speaker_confidence":0.8,"start_sec":2567.63,"end_sec":2568.44,"text":"Right. That would help us.","topics_json":"[]","vector_id":"vec_seg_98896_183","created_at":"2026-10-31T05:58:59Z","speaker_name":null},{"id":"seg_98896_184","meeting_id":"98896","media_asset_id":"med_98896_fe917dc459816e8d","agenda_item_id":null,"speaker_id":"off_roy_sudler_jr","speaker_confidence":0.95,"start_sec":2568.5,"end_sec":2629.5,"text":"Yes, that would help us um definitely with uh being able to see uh where we fare in the community, what people um think we might be able to do. Uh we also would get an idea of the concerns in the community and what people are thinking about. It's um not to uh say that the city is doing us wrong, we're not here for that. We're here to say that we should also have notification if the form, if somebody wants to contact the Dover Human Relations Commission, we need to know. If it's been if it's been directed um to uh appropriate um committees and and and persons outside the Dover Human Relations Commission, we need to know. Anything that comes on that form, we need to know. We don't need to have to have the ability to make the approvals or make the decisions on anything, but the notification knowing that somebody is trying to communicate with us regarding this concern in the public, we need to know, absolutely.","topics_json":"[]","vector_id":"vec_seg_98896_184","created_at":"2026-10-31T05:58:59Z","speaker_name":"Roy Sudler, Jr."},{"id":"seg_98896_185","meeting_id":"98896","media_asset_id":"med_98896_fe917dc459816e8d","agenda_item_id":null,"speaker_id":"spk_98896_commissioner","speaker_confidence":0.8,"start_sec":2629.63,"end_sec":2644.13,"text":"I think one of the uh problems is being intimidated uh with the intake form. Not everybody's not really uh able to articulate or get the right words. That's why I'm thinking that if it's in a location where they can get proper assistance with it, that perhaps uh they will be more apt to utilize it.","topics_json":"[]","vector_id":"vec_seg_98896_185","created_at":"2026-10-31T05:58:59Z","speaker_name":null},{"id":"seg_98896_186","meeting_id":"98896","media_asset_id":"med_98896_fe917dc459816e8d","agenda_item_id":null,"speaker_id":"off_roy_sudler_jr","speaker_confidence":0.95,"start_sec":2644.19,"end_sec":2645.5,"text":"Mhm, like the Neighbor Good Partners.","topics_json":"[]","vector_id":"vec_seg_98896_186","created_at":"2026-10-31T05:58:59Z","speaker_name":"Roy Sudler, Jr."},{"id":"seg_98896_187","meeting_id":"98896","media_asset_id":"med_98896_fe917dc459816e8d","agenda_item_id":null,"speaker_id":"spk_98896_commissioner","speaker_confidence":0.8,"start_sec":2645.56,"end_sec":2646.25,"text":"Yes, right.","topics_json":"[]","vector_id":"vec_seg_98896_187","created_at":"2026-10-31T05:58:59Z","speaker_name":null},{"id":"seg_98896_188","meeting_id":"98896","media_asset_id":"med_98896_fe917dc459816e8d","agenda_item_id":null,"speaker_id":"spk_98896_daniel","speaker_confidence":0.85,"start_sec":2646.43,"end_sec":2682.16,"text":"Uh yes, sir, like Neighbor Good Partners, cuz we have an office that's right on the intersection of Division and New Street. Uh part of our mission is teaching civic education. Uh the forms, the programs like that, is something that I know how to do. I would be more than willing to teach people the process.","topics_json":"[]","vector_id":"vec_seg_98896_188","created_at":"2026-10-31T05:58:59Z","speaker_name":"Daniel"},{"id":"seg_98896_189","meeting_id":"98896","media_asset_id":"med_98896_fe917dc459816e8d","agenda_item_id":null,"speaker_id":"off_roy_sudler_jr","speaker_confidence":0.95,"start_sec":2682.29,"end_sec":2683.53,"text":"Sounds good. Tomorrow will I see you?","topics_json":"[]","vector_id":"vec_seg_98896_189","created_at":"2026-10-31T05:58:59Z","speaker_name":"Roy Sudler, Jr."},{"id":"seg_98896_19","meeting_id":"98896","media_asset_id":"med_98896_fe917dc459816e8d","agenda_item_id":null,"speaker_id":"spk_98896_chair","speaker_confidence":1,"start_sec":122.27,"end_sec":159.5,"text":"All those opposed have the same right. Motion carried. That's bad, you know. I was doing some work, my shoulder's a little, that's it.","topics_json":"[]","vector_id":"vec_seg_98896_19","created_at":"2026-10-31T05:58:59Z","speaker_name":null},{"id":"seg_98896_190","meeting_id":"98896","media_asset_id":"med_98896_fe917dc459816e8d","agenda_item_id":null,"speaker_id":"spk_98896_daniel","speaker_confidence":0.85,"start_sec":2683.66,"end_sec":2685.65,"text":"Uh, I believe so, at the Thriving Pathways.","topics_json":"[]","vector_id":"vec_seg_98896_190","created_at":"2026-10-31T05:58:59Z","speaker_name":"Daniel"},{"id":"seg_98896_191","meeting_id":"98896","media_asset_id":"med_98896_fe917dc459816e8d","agenda_item_id":null,"speaker_id":"off_roy_sudler_jr","speaker_confidence":0.95,"start_sec":2685.71,"end_sec":2686.27,"text":"What time?","topics_json":"[]","vector_id":"vec_seg_98896_191","created_at":"2026-10-31T05:58:59Z","speaker_name":"Roy Sudler, Jr."},{"id":"seg_98896_192","meeting_id":"98896","media_asset_id":"med_98896_fe917dc459816e8d","agenda_item_id":null,"speaker_id":"spk_98896_daniel","speaker_confidence":0.85,"start_sec":2686.33,"end_sec":2689.32,"text":"It's uh 8:30 to 4:00, and I'll be tabling around 1:55 p.m.","topics_json":"[]","vector_id":"vec_seg_98896_192","created_at":"2026-10-31T05:58:59Z","speaker_name":"Daniel"},{"id":"seg_98896_193","meeting_id":"98896","media_asset_id":"med_98896_fe917dc459816e8d","agenda_item_id":null,"speaker_id":"off_roy_sudler_jr","speaker_confidence":0.95,"start_sec":2689.45,"end_sec":2690.44,"text":"Where do we have it at the building?","topics_json":"[]","vector_id":"vec_seg_98896_193","created_at":"2026-10-31T05:58:59Z","speaker_name":"Roy Sudler, Jr."},{"id":"seg_98896_194","meeting_id":"98896","media_asset_id":"med_98896_fe917dc459816e8d","agenda_item_id":null,"speaker_id":"spk_98896_daniel","speaker_confidence":0.85,"start_sec":2690.57,"end_sec":2695.36,"text":"Um, I believe at the main building. I'm not quite sure. I think most of the staff will be at the Thriving Pathways in valleys.","topics_json":"[]","vector_id":"vec_seg_98896_194","created_at":"2026-10-31T05:58:59Z","speaker_name":"Daniel"},{"id":"seg_98896_195","meeting_id":"98896","media_asset_id":"med_98896_fe917dc459816e8d","agenda_item_id":null,"speaker_id":"off_roy_sudler_jr","speaker_confidence":0.95,"start_sec":2695.42,"end_sec":2696.36,"text":"Okay, sounds good. Thank you, Mr. Daniel.","topics_json":"[]","vector_id":"vec_seg_98896_195","created_at":"2026-10-31T05:58:59Z","speaker_name":"Roy Sudler, Jr."},{"id":"seg_98896_196","meeting_id":"98896","media_asset_id":"med_98896_fe917dc459816e8d","agenda_item_id":null,"speaker_id":"spk_98896_daniel","speaker_confidence":0.85,"start_sec":2696.42,"end_sec":2696.92,"text":"You're welcome.","topics_json":"[]","vector_id":"vec_seg_98896_196","created_at":"2026-10-31T05:58:59Z","speaker_name":"Daniel"},{"id":"seg_98896_197","meeting_id":"98896","media_asset_id":"med_98896_fe917dc459816e8d","agenda_item_id":null,"speaker_id":"spk_98896_female_speaker","speaker_confidence":0.85,"start_sec":2697.04,"end_sec":2708.06,"text":"Commissioner Sudler, if I may, I just want to put it out there that perhaps we could utilize the library to have a seminar ourselves, not creating a quorum, to where we are inviting the public out to learn about the process and how to complete the form in the library on a specific evening.","topics_json":"[]","vector_id":"vec_seg_98896_197","created_at":"2026-10-31T05:58:59Z","speaker_name":null},{"id":"seg_98896_198","meeting_id":"98896","media_asset_id":"med_98896_fe917dc459816e8d","agenda_item_id":null,"speaker_id":"off_roy_sudler_jr","speaker_confidence":0.95,"start_sec":2708.18,"end_sec":2709.12,"text":"You have a date and time for that?","topics_json":"[]","vector_id":"vec_seg_98896_198","created_at":"2026-10-31T05:58:59Z","speaker_name":"Roy Sudler, Jr."},{"id":"seg_98896_199","meeting_id":"98896","media_asset_id":"med_98896_fe917dc459816e8d","agenda_item_id":null,"speaker_id":"spk_98896_female_speaker","speaker_confidence":0.85,"start_sec":2709.24,"end_sec":2714.53,"text":"I can look at my calendar. It is busy, it's very busy, I'll be honest with you, but I would be interested in assisting with that or","topics_json":"[]","vector_id":"vec_seg_98896_199","created_at":"2026-10-31T05:58:59Z","speaker_name":null},{"id":"seg_98896_2","meeting_id":"98896","media_asset_id":"med_98896_fe917dc459816e8d","agenda_item_id":null,"speaker_id":"spk_98896_faust","speaker_confidence":1,"start_sec":12.86,"end_sec":21.04,"text":"I'll make the motion, because there's no one here right now, to suspend that open forum until someone comes in or we can pause and continue like we did last time, if that's up to Chairman's approval.","topics_json":"[]","vector_id":"vec_seg_98896_2","created_at":"2026-10-31T05:58:59Z","speaker_name":"Faust"},{"id":"seg_98896_20","meeting_id":"98896","media_asset_id":"med_98896_fe917dc459816e8d","agenda_item_id":null,"speaker_id":"spk_98896_chair","speaker_confidence":1,"start_sec":159.61,"end_sec":196.07,"text":"Okay, we're going to our committee reports. Our assessment committee, Ms. Mullins did, I talked with Ms. Commissioner Mullins. She has given me a rough draft of assessment that she created, and it's more of a questionnaire. Of course, with her questionnaire, she also when we have response, when she receives responses, she will have some other follow-up surveys as well as questionnaires and more assessment. We have an overall assessment and that is already created and we'll be get a chance to review that when we come for our our report. Okay. Mr. Faust, do you want to speak on any of our the community programs before I get into it?","topics_json":"[]","vector_id":"vec_seg_98896_20","created_at":"2026-10-31T05:58:59Z","speaker_name":null},{"id":"seg_98896_200","meeting_id":"98896","media_asset_id":"med_98896_fe917dc459816e8d","agenda_item_id":null,"speaker_id":"off_roy_sudler_jr","speaker_confidence":0.95,"start_sec":2714.66,"end_sec":2748.4,"text":"I have a couple of um gentlemen from a couple agencies that uh were putting together the the Saturday Academy program that will bring those particular uh uh, you know, services and things like that. It can be it can still be implemented the same.","topics_json":"[]","vector_id":"vec_seg_98896_200","created_at":"2026-10-31T05:58:59Z","speaker_name":"Roy Sudler, Jr."},{"id":"seg_98896_201","meeting_id":"98896","media_asset_id":"med_98896_fe917dc459816e8d","agenda_item_id":null,"speaker_id":"spk_98896_female_speaker","speaker_confidence":0.85,"start_sec":2748.52,"end_sec":2749.52,"text":"I think that would be a great idea.","topics_json":"[]","vector_id":"vec_seg_98896_201","created_at":"2026-10-31T05:58:59Z","speaker_name":null},{"id":"seg_98896_202","meeting_id":"98896","media_asset_id":"med_98896_fe917dc459816e8d","agenda_item_id":null,"speaker_id":"off_roy_sudler_jr","speaker_confidence":0.95,"start_sec":2749.64,"end_sec":2752.13,"text":"Okay, it's 7:05, um","topics_json":"[]","vector_id":"vec_seg_98896_202","created_at":"2026-10-31T05:58:59Z","speaker_name":"Roy Sudler, Jr."},{"id":"seg_98896_203","meeting_id":"98896","media_asset_id":"med_98896_fe917dc459816e8d","agenda_item_id":null,"speaker_id":"spk_98896_chair","speaker_confidence":0.9,"start_sec":2752.13,"end_sec":2753.84,"text":"Commissioner Washington, do you have anything to bring to the table?","topics_json":"[]","vector_id":"vec_seg_98896_203","created_at":"2026-10-31T05:58:59Z","speaker_name":null},{"id":"seg_98896_204","meeting_id":"98896","media_asset_id":"med_98896_fe917dc459816e8d","agenda_item_id":null,"speaker_id":"spk_98896_commissioner_washington","speaker_confidence":0.95,"start_sec":2753.99,"end_sec":2754.95,"text":"Nothing additional, thank you.","topics_json":"[]","vector_id":"vec_seg_98896_204","created_at":"2026-10-31T05:58:59Z","speaker_name":null},{"id":"seg_98896_205","meeting_id":"98896","media_asset_id":"med_98896_fe917dc459816e8d","agenda_item_id":null,"speaker_id":"spk_98896_chair","speaker_confidence":0.9,"start_sec":2755.48,"end_sec":2756.2,"text":"Commissioner White.","topics_json":"[]","vector_id":"vec_seg_98896_205","created_at":"2026-10-31T05:58:59Z","speaker_name":null},{"id":"seg_98896_206","meeting_id":"98896","media_asset_id":"med_98896_fe917dc459816e8d","agenda_item_id":null,"speaker_id":"spk_98896_faye_white","speaker_confidence":0.95,"start_sec":2756.35,"end_sec":2761.95,"text":"I just want to piggyback on the forms. And filling out the forms, how do we know successfully how many has been successfully taken care of?","topics_json":"[]","vector_id":"vec_seg_98896_206","created_at":"2026-10-31T05:58:59Z","speaker_name":"Faye White"},{"id":"seg_98896_207","meeting_id":"98896","media_asset_id":"med_98896_fe917dc459816e8d","agenda_item_id":null,"speaker_id":"spk_98896_chair","speaker_confidence":0.9,"start_sec":2762.08,"end_sec":2762.62,"text":"We don't know.","topics_json":"[]","vector_id":"vec_seg_98896_207","created_at":"2026-10-31T05:58:59Z","speaker_name":null},{"id":"seg_98896_208","meeting_id":"98896","media_asset_id":"med_98896_fe917dc459816e8d","agenda_item_id":null,"speaker_id":"spk_98896_faye_white","speaker_confidence":0.95,"start_sec":2762.8,"end_sec":2774.38,"text":"No, but we should we should. For some reason, if the Clerk uh going to make a decision on when the uh individuals come in with the complaint form and we we don't know whether or not it was really acted on that individual that came with the complaint, that's what I'm saying.","topics_json":"[]","vector_id":"vec_seg_98896_208","created_at":"2026-10-31T05:58:59Z","speaker_name":"Faye White"},{"id":"seg_98896_209","meeting_id":"98896","media_asset_id":"med_98896_fe917dc459816e8d","agenda_item_id":null,"speaker_id":"spk_98896_faye_white","speaker_confidence":0.95,"start_sec":2774.73,"end_sec":2779.25,"text":"So, what success do we know that has been actually taken care of over the over the years? We never heard that.","topics_json":"[]","vector_id":"vec_seg_98896_209","created_at":"2026-10-31T05:58:59Z","speaker_name":"Faye White"},{"id":"seg_98896_21","meeting_id":"98896","media_asset_id":"med_98896_fe917dc459816e8d","agenda_item_id":null,"speaker_id":"spk_98896_faust","speaker_confidence":1,"start_sec":196.58,"end_sec":196.58,"text":"Basically, for the commissioners that weren't present, we I got a new batch of 211 cards in. If you need some, let me know. United Way was very helpful so that we can get as many as we need. Commissioner Brinkley and myself dropped some off at some key areas. I dropped some off at the library with my business card, so if they need anything any more, let me know. 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That's That's the way that I feel. And I've been sitting here for a long, long time, and I have not seen or heard any success of someone being actually taken care of. And I think it's about time that it needs to be addressed and acted on, and taken care of as soon as possible.","topics_json":"[]","vector_id":"vec_seg_98896_212","created_at":"2026-10-31T05:58:59Z","speaker_name":"Faye White"},{"id":"seg_98896_213","meeting_id":"98896","media_asset_id":"med_98896_fe917dc459816e8d","agenda_item_id":null,"speaker_id":"spk_98896_faye_white","speaker_confidence":0.95,"start_sec":2819.08,"end_sec":2837.02,"text":"Because you can't continue to fill out a form when there's a lot of people that don't even know how to fill the form out. And going to City Clerk, if they don't feel that it should be addressed, then that individual that came forward hasn't received an answer.","topics_json":"[]","vector_id":"vec_seg_98896_213","created_at":"2026-10-31T05:59:00Z","speaker_name":"Faye White"},{"id":"seg_98896_214","meeting_id":"98896","media_asset_id":"med_98896_fe917dc459816e8d","agenda_item_id":null,"speaker_id":"spk_98896_chair","speaker_confidence":0.9,"start_sec":2837.6,"end_sec":2845.5,"text":"Um, we are going to look at the process. I don't I don't think it's just solely goes straight to the uh Clerk's Office, but uh they also have to allow others to review it in the city. So we'll we'll look at some things.","topics_json":"[]","vector_id":"vec_seg_98896_214","created_at":"2026-10-31T05:59:00Z","speaker_name":null},{"id":"seg_98896_215","meeting_id":"98896","media_asset_id":"med_98896_fe917dc459816e8d","agenda_item_id":null,"speaker_id":"spk_98896_commissioner_washington","speaker_confidence":0.95,"start_sec":2845.76,"end_sec":2880.4,"text":"If I may just- If I may, this is one of the reasons why I feel like the bylaws need to be updated, because maybe this is something that we can place in the bylaws and have it implemented. 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Commissioner Whitt, do you have anything to bring to the table?","topics_json":"[]","vector_id":"vec_seg_98896_216","created_at":"2026-10-31T05:59:00Z","speaker_name":null},{"id":"seg_98896_217","meeting_id":"98896","media_asset_id":"med_98896_fe917dc459816e8d","agenda_item_id":null,"speaker_id":"spk_98896_commissioner_whitt","speaker_confidence":0.95,"start_sec":2883.13,"end_sec":2883.59,"text":"No.","topics_json":"[]","vector_id":"vec_seg_98896_217","created_at":"2026-10-31T05:59:00Z","speaker_name":null},{"id":"seg_98896_218","meeting_id":"98896","media_asset_id":"med_98896_fe917dc459816e8d","agenda_item_id":null,"speaker_id":"spk_98896_chair","speaker_confidence":0.9,"start_sec":2883.68,"end_sec":2884.94,"text":"Good to see you this evening, Commissioner Whitt.","topics_json":"[]","vector_id":"vec_seg_98896_218","created_at":"2026-10-31T05:59:00Z","speaker_name":null},{"id":"seg_98896_219","meeting_id":"98896","media_asset_id":"med_98896_fe917dc459816e8d","agenda_item_id":null,"speaker_id":"spk_98896_commissioner_whitt","speaker_confidence":0.95,"start_sec":2885.18,"end_sec":2886.73,"text":"Good to hear from you this evening, Commissioner...","topics_json":"[]","vector_id":"vec_seg_98896_219","created_at":"2026-10-31T05:59:00Z","speaker_name":null},{"id":"seg_98896_22","meeting_id":"98896","media_asset_id":"med_98896_fe917dc459816e8d","agenda_item_id":null,"speaker_id":"spk_98896_robin_faust","speaker_confidence":0.9,"start_sec":196.58,"end_sec":216.27,"text":"the community shelter, the shelter house, the homeless style and all that, and they're telling me that when they call the 211, there's not enough resources or being put on a waiting list um because of federal and state funding. So uh I don't know what else we can do, but brainstorm to see if we can find other resources if 211 is uh lacking funds or exhausted at this time. So uh that's where we stand. Um nothing else to really report.","topics_json":"[\"homelessness\",\"housing\",\"budget\"]","vector_id":"vec_seg_98896_22","created_at":"2026-10-31T05:58:59Z","speaker_name":"Robin Faust"},{"id":"seg_98896_220","meeting_id":"98896","media_asset_id":"med_98896_fe917dc459816e8d","agenda_item_id":null,"speaker_id":"spk_98896_chair","speaker_confidence":0.9,"start_sec":2887.13,"end_sec":2889.8,"text":"Thank you. Commissioner Fleming, glad to have you here.","topics_json":"[]","vector_id":"vec_seg_98896_220","created_at":"2026-10-31T05:59:00Z","speaker_name":null},{"id":"seg_98896_221","meeting_id":"98896","media_asset_id":"med_98896_fe917dc459816e8d","agenda_item_id":null,"speaker_id":"spk_98896_michael_fleming","speaker_confidence":0.95,"start_sec":2892.33,"end_sec":2893.66,"text":"Glad to hear from you as well.","topics_json":"[]","vector_id":"vec_seg_98896_221","created_at":"2026-10-31T05:59:00Z","speaker_name":"Michael Fleming"},{"id":"seg_98896_222","meeting_id":"98896","media_asset_id":"med_98896_fe917dc459816e8d","agenda_item_id":null,"speaker_id":"spk_98896_chair","speaker_confidence":0.9,"start_sec":2894.37,"end_sec":2895.15,"text":"Commissioner Fleming.","topics_json":"[]","vector_id":"vec_seg_98896_222","created_at":"2026-10-31T05:59:00Z","speaker_name":null},{"id":"seg_98896_223","meeting_id":"98896","media_asset_id":"med_98896_fe917dc459816e8d","agenda_item_id":null,"speaker_id":"spk_98896_michael_fleming","speaker_confidence":0.95,"start_sec":2895.37,"end_sec":2938.4,"text":"I was wondering, based on the discussion, perhaps we could invite this one of the city clerks or the person that receives the intake form to come share with us what the procedure is. In other words, how do they determine whether another branch, another section uh is better equipped to handle the problem, or how does it get to us?","topics_json":"[]","vector_id":"vec_seg_98896_223","created_at":"2026-10-31T05:59:00Z","speaker_name":"Michael Fleming"},{"id":"seg_98896_224","meeting_id":"98896","media_asset_id":"med_98896_fe917dc459816e8d","agenda_item_id":null,"speaker_id":"spk_98896_chair","speaker_confidence":0.9,"start_sec":2939.02,"end_sec":2948.71,"text":"I believe it gets referred to the the attorney, the City's attorney, and he looks to to see which, uh, under example, if someone says there's a filing on police brutality, that'll go to the Chief of Police for investigation. If there's someone for zoning,","topics_json":"[\"public_safety\",\"zoning\"]","vector_id":"vec_seg_98896_224","created_at":"2026-10-31T05:59:00Z","speaker_name":null},{"id":"seg_98896_225","meeting_id":"98896","media_asset_id":"med_98896_fe917dc459816e8d","agenda_item_id":null,"speaker_id":"spk_98896_faust","speaker_confidence":0.9,"start_sec":2948.72,"end_sec":2981.42,"text":"should have go to the zoning board. So, uh, we get after he clears it, we've seen, uh, you know, forms that were filled out that were saying this has been turned over to this department to be addressed because it wasn't, did not fall under our purview. So, my understanding, it comes to the City Clerk's office, she prints it out, sends it to the attorney, the attorney sees if it fits our criteria and it comes to us, or it gets forwarded to the correct, uh, department to address.","topics_json":"[\"zoning\"]","vector_id":"vec_seg_98896_225","created_at":"2026-10-31T05:59:00Z","speaker_name":"Faust"},{"id":"seg_98896_226","meeting_id":"98896","media_asset_id":"med_98896_fe917dc459816e8d","agenda_item_id":null,"speaker_id":"spk_98896_brinkley","speaker_confidence":0.85,"start_sec":2981.42,"end_sec":3012.72,"text":"Commissioner Faust, I just want to say that you are correct, because I do remember when, uh, Councilwoman Hall gave a report for the Human, uh, her report addressed two reports that she received. One of them was for the Human Relations Commission, the other one was something that was involving the police department and was not within our purview. So I do- which was not within their purview, back calendar year, um, so I do agree with you.","topics_json":"[\"public_safety\"]","vector_id":"vec_seg_98896_226","created_at":"2026-10-31T05:59:00Z","speaker_name":"Brinkley"},{"id":"seg_98896_227","meeting_id":"98896","media_asset_id":"med_98896_fe917dc459816e8d","agenda_item_id":null,"speaker_id":"spk_98896_chair","speaker_confidence":0.9,"start_sec":3012.72,"end_sec":3014.22,"text":"Commissioner Faust?","topics_json":"[]","vector_id":"vec_seg_98896_227","created_at":"2026-10-31T05:59:00Z","speaker_name":null},{"id":"seg_98896_228","meeting_id":"98896","media_asset_id":"med_98896_fe917dc459816e8d","agenda_item_id":null,"speaker_id":"spk_98896_faust","speaker_confidence":0.9,"start_sec":3014.22,"end_sec":3024.92,"text":"I have nothing else to add, but if, uh, Commissioner, uh, Brinkley, uh, if you need help for the, uh, intake form, you know, for the library, reach out to me and I'll assist any way possible if I can.","topics_json":"[]","vector_id":"vec_seg_98896_228","created_at":"2026-10-31T05:59:00Z","speaker_name":"Faust"},{"id":"seg_98896_229","meeting_id":"98896","media_asset_id":"med_98896_fe917dc459816e8d","agenda_item_id":null,"speaker_id":"spk_98896_chair","speaker_confidence":0.9,"start_sec":3024.92,"end_sec":3045.52,"text":"Okay. I don't- I do not have anything, um, really to bring to the table. Thank you for coming out this evening. Glad to hear from everybody. Um, if we don't have any questions, um, I'd like to return back to you a negative 12 minutes, and, uh, you should be good. I'll take a motion to adjourn.","topics_json":"[]","vector_id":"vec_seg_98896_229","created_at":"2026-10-31T05:59:00Z","speaker_name":null},{"id":"seg_98896_23","meeting_id":"98896","media_asset_id":"med_98896_fe917dc459816e8d","agenda_item_id":null,"speaker_id":"spk_98896_chair","speaker_confidence":0.9,"start_sec":216.27,"end_sec":233.54,"text":"Thank you, Commissioner Faust. Um there was a couple of commissioners uh Commissioner Faust and I we visited a couple of um places. Um myself, I had a couple of visits with the NeighborGood Partners downtown. Um I have one tomorrow, and I believe that's at 12:00. Um if you all are available, I know most of you work, um they they also you can go down there and join the table top meeting. That's what they're having.","topics_json":"[\"housing\"]","vector_id":"vec_seg_98896_23","created_at":"2026-10-31T05:58:59Z","speaker_name":null},{"id":"seg_98896_230","meeting_id":"98896","media_asset_id":"med_98896_fe917dc459816e8d","agenda_item_id":null,"speaker_id":"spk_98896_faust","speaker_confidence":0.9,"start_sec":3045.52,"end_sec":3047.42,"text":"Make a motion to adjourn.","topics_json":"[]","vector_id":"vec_seg_98896_230","created_at":"2026-10-31T05:59:00Z","speaker_name":"Faust"},{"id":"seg_98896_231","meeting_id":"98896","media_asset_id":"med_98896_fe917dc459816e8d","agenda_item_id":null,"speaker_id":"spk_98896_brinkley","speaker_confidence":0.85,"start_sec":3047.42,"end_sec":3048.52,"text":"Second.","topics_json":"[]","vector_id":"vec_seg_98896_231","created_at":"2026-10-31T05:59:00Z","speaker_name":"Brinkley"},{"id":"seg_98896_232","meeting_id":"98896","media_asset_id":"med_98896_fe917dc459816e8d","agenda_item_id":null,"speaker_id":"spk_98896_chair","speaker_confidence":0.9,"start_sec":3048.52,"end_sec":3052.52,"text":"It's been properly moved and seconded that we adjourn for the evening. 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Motion carried, meeting is adjourned.","topics_json":"[]","vector_id":"vec_seg_98896_235","created_at":"2026-10-31T05:59:00Z","speaker_name":null},{"id":"seg_98896_24","meeting_id":"98896","media_asset_id":"med_98896_fe917dc459816e8d","agenda_item_id":null,"speaker_id":"spk_98896_robin_faust","speaker_confidence":0.85,"start_sec":233.54,"end_sec":235.24,"text":"Is that the same location we were at for the first meeting, Dr. Sellers?","topics_json":"[]","vector_id":"vec_seg_98896_24","created_at":"2026-10-31T05:58:59Z","speaker_name":"Robin Faust"},{"id":"seg_98896_25","meeting_id":"98896","media_asset_id":"med_98896_fe917dc459816e8d","agenda_item_id":null,"speaker_id":"spk_98896_chair","speaker_confidence":0.9,"start_sec":235.24,"end_sec":268.29,"text":"No, the the first one was um on Loockerman. This one here is on Governors. Do you know their building?","topics_json":"[]","vector_id":"vec_seg_98896_25","created_at":"2026-10-31T05:58:59Z","speaker_name":null},{"id":"seg_98896_26","meeting_id":"98896","media_asset_id":"med_98896_fe917dc459816e8d","agenda_item_id":null,"speaker_id":"spk_98896_male_speaker","speaker_confidence":0.8,"start_sec":268.29,"end_sec":271.7,"text":"Governors and Loockerman?","topics_json":"[]","vector_id":"vec_seg_98896_26","created_at":"2026-10-31T05:58:59Z","speaker_name":null},{"id":"seg_98896_27","meeting_id":"98896","media_asset_id":"med_98896_fe917dc459816e8d","agenda_item_id":null,"speaker_id":"spk_98896_chair","speaker_confidence":0.9,"start_sec":271.7,"end_sec":273.98,"text":"No, not Loockerman. It's Governors and...","topics_json":"[]","vector_id":"vec_seg_98896_27","created_at":"2026-10-31T05:58:59Z","speaker_name":null},{"id":"seg_98896_28","meeting_id":"98896","media_asset_id":"med_98896_fe917dc459816e8d","agenda_item_id":null,"speaker_id":"spk_98896_male_speaker","speaker_confidence":0.8,"start_sec":273.98,"end_sec":275.68,"text":"The building is down from Division?","topics_json":"[]","vector_id":"vec_seg_98896_28","created_at":"2026-10-31T05:58:59Z","speaker_name":null},{"id":"seg_98896_29","meeting_id":"98896","media_asset_id":"med_98896_fe917dc459816e8d","agenda_item_id":null,"speaker_id":"spk_98896_chair","speaker_confidence":0.9,"start_sec":275.68,"end_sec":289.26,"text":"Yeah, Division and New, not Governors. Division and New Street, yes. And the contact person is Nika Taylor, so she'll she'll be um receiving all communications. When you go to the building, it will be locked, so there'll be someone to um to uh open the door and and let you in and greet you, okay? And that's tomorrow at 12:00.","topics_json":"[]","vector_id":"vec_seg_98896_29","created_at":"2026-10-31T05:58:59Z","speaker_name":null},{"id":"seg_98896_3","meeting_id":"98896","media_asset_id":"med_98896_fe917dc459816e8d","agenda_item_id":null,"speaker_id":"spk_98896_female_commissioner","speaker_confidence":1,"start_sec":21.29,"end_sec":22.32,"text":"I second.","topics_json":"[]","vector_id":"vec_seg_98896_3","created_at":"2026-10-31T05:58:59Z","speaker_name":null},{"id":"seg_98896_30","meeting_id":"98896","media_asset_id":"med_98896_fe917dc459816e8d","agenda_item_id":null,"speaker_id":"spk_98896_female_speaker","speaker_confidence":0.8,"start_sec":289.26,"end_sec":290.11,"text":"What time was that?","topics_json":"[]","vector_id":"vec_seg_98896_30","created_at":"2026-10-31T05:58:59Z","speaker_name":null},{"id":"seg_98896_31","meeting_id":"98896","media_asset_id":"med_98896_fe917dc459816e8d","agenda_item_id":null,"speaker_id":"spk_98896_chair","speaker_confidence":0.9,"start_sec":290.11,"end_sec":290.96,"text":"12:00.","topics_json":"[]","vector_id":"vec_seg_98896_31","created_at":"2026-10-31T05:58:59Z","speaker_name":null},{"id":"seg_98896_32","meeting_id":"98896","media_asset_id":"med_98896_fe917dc459816e8d","agenda_item_id":null,"speaker_id":"spk_98896_female_speaker","speaker_confidence":0.8,"start_sec":290.96,"end_sec":292.1,"text":"Is there parking spaces?","topics_json":"[]","vector_id":"vec_seg_98896_32","created_at":"2026-10-31T05:58:59Z","speaker_name":null},{"id":"seg_98896_33","meeting_id":"98896","media_asset_id":"med_98896_fe917dc459816e8d","agenda_item_id":null,"speaker_id":"spk_98896_chair","speaker_confidence":0.9,"start_sec":292.1,"end_sec":300.98,"text":"Um behind that building they have maybe like two or three parking spaces, but most of the public parks on the street. The building is on the corner, so um they don't have a big parking lot for that building.","topics_json":"[]","vector_id":"vec_seg_98896_33","created_at":"2026-10-31T05:58:59Z","speaker_name":null},{"id":"seg_98896_34","meeting_id":"98896","media_asset_id":"med_98896_fe917dc459816e8d","agenda_item_id":null,"speaker_id":"spk_98896_female_speaker","speaker_confidence":0.8,"start_sec":300.98,"end_sec":304.39,"text":"Will we be entering on Division Street or New Street?","topics_json":"[]","vector_id":"vec_seg_98896_34","created_at":"2026-10-31T05:58:59Z","speaker_name":null},{"id":"seg_98896_35","meeting_id":"98896","media_asset_id":"med_98896_fe917dc459816e8d","agenda_item_id":null,"speaker_id":"spk_98896_chair","speaker_confidence":0.9,"start_sec":304.39,"end_sec":305.89,"text":"I usually park on New.","topics_json":"[]","vector_id":"vec_seg_98896_35","created_at":"2026-10-31T05:58:59Z","speaker_name":null},{"id":"seg_98896_36","meeting_id":"98896","media_asset_id":"med_98896_fe917dc459816e8d","agenda_item_id":null,"speaker_id":"spk_98896_female_speaker","speaker_confidence":0.8,"start_sec":305.89,"end_sec":308.8,"text":"No to en- to en- to enter the building, is that on New Street or Division?","topics_json":"[]","vector_id":"vec_seg_98896_36","created_at":"2026-10-31T05:58:59Z","speaker_name":null},{"id":"seg_98896_37","meeting_id":"98896","media_asset_id":"med_98896_fe917dc459816e8d","agenda_item_id":null,"speaker_id":"spk_98896_chair","speaker_confidence":0.9,"start_sec":308.8,"end_sec":339.22,"text":"Yes, it's on the New Street side, okay?","topics_json":"[]","vector_id":"vec_seg_98896_37","created_at":"2026-10-31T05:58:59Z","speaker_name":null},{"id":"seg_98896_38","meeting_id":"98896","media_asset_id":"med_98896_fe917dc459816e8d","agenda_item_id":null,"speaker_id":"spk_98896_male_speaker","speaker_confidence":0.75,"start_sec":339.22,"end_sec":341.85,"text":"Who is that meeting for?","topics_json":"[]","vector_id":"vec_seg_98896_38","created_at":"2026-10-31T05:58:59Z","speaker_name":null},{"id":"seg_98896_39","meeting_id":"98896","media_asset_id":"med_98896_fe917dc459816e8d","agenda_item_id":null,"speaker_id":"spk_98896_chair","speaker_confidence":0.9,"start_sec":341.85,"end_sec":342.77,"text":"Yes, Ms. Ms. Taylor.","topics_json":"[]","vector_id":"vec_seg_98896_39","created_at":"2026-10-31T05:58:59Z","speaker_name":null},{"id":"seg_98896_4","meeting_id":"98896","media_asset_id":"med_98896_fe917dc459816e8d","agenda_item_id":null,"speaker_id":"spk_98896_chair","speaker_confidence":1,"start_sec":22.4,"end_sec":32.13,"text":"It's been properly moved and seconded that we will table the forum until we have our guests come in for later comments. We'll move the 10-minute to the towards the end. We will save it for that.","topics_json":"[]","vector_id":"vec_seg_98896_4","created_at":"2026-10-31T05:58:59Z","speaker_name":null},{"id":"seg_98896_40","meeting_id":"98896","media_asset_id":"med_98896_fe917dc459816e8d","agenda_item_id":null,"speaker_id":"spk_98896_male_speaker","speaker_confidence":0.8,"start_sec":342.77,"end_sec":343.84,"text":"What's that meeting for, sir?","topics_json":"[]","vector_id":"vec_seg_98896_40","created_at":"2026-10-31T05:58:59Z","speaker_name":null},{"id":"seg_98896_41","meeting_id":"98896","media_asset_id":"med_98896_fe917dc459816e8d","agenda_item_id":null,"speaker_id":"spk_98896_chair","speaker_confidence":0.9,"start_sec":343.84,"end_sec":351.8,"text":"Um NeighborGood Partners has um meetings with the downtown agencies and and other state agencies to help bring some support uh services to downtown.","topics_json":"[\"housing\",\"business\"]","vector_id":"vec_seg_98896_41","created_at":"2026-10-31T05:58:59Z","speaker_name":null},{"id":"seg_98896_42","meeting_id":"98896","media_asset_id":"med_98896_fe917dc459816e8d","agenda_item_id":null,"speaker_id":"spk_98896_male_speaker","speaker_confidence":0.8,"start_sec":351.8,"end_sec":354.43,"text":"Does that have a correlation with human relations?","topics_json":"[]","vector_id":"vec_seg_98896_42","created_at":"2026-10-31T05:58:59Z","speaker_name":null},{"id":"seg_98896_43","meeting_id":"98896","media_asset_id":"med_98896_fe917dc459816e8d","agenda_item_id":null,"speaker_id":"spk_98896_chair","speaker_confidence":0.9,"start_sec":354.43,"end_sec":360.11,"text":"Um they invite us to help with the support. That's what we do. We'll have a 10-minute forum for the public, and you can ask that question. All right? Okay.","topics_json":"[]","vector_id":"vec_seg_98896_43","created_at":"2026-10-31T05:58:59Z","speaker_name":null},{"id":"seg_98896_44","meeting_id":"98896","media_asset_id":"med_98896_fe917dc459816e8d","agenda_item_id":null,"speaker_id":"spk_98896_chair","speaker_confidence":0.9,"start_sec":360.11,"end_sec":377.74,"text":"Along with the NeighborGood Partners uh meeting, we also had a visit with um the Dover Coalition, Mr. Commissioner Faust and myself, on that February 19th date, which was a good meeting. It was a good, informative meeting. Um we're waiting to hear back from them to see if um there's some more requests. So if we do, we'll talk we'll talk about that and and we'll decide on some of the issues that they bring forward, okay?","topics_json":"[]","vector_id":"vec_seg_98896_44","created_at":"2026-10-31T05:58:59Z","speaker_name":null},{"id":"seg_98896_45","meeting_id":"98896","media_asset_id":"med_98896_fe917dc459816e8d","agenda_item_id":null,"speaker_id":"spk_98896_chair","speaker_confidence":0.9,"start_sec":377.74,"end_sec":393.16,"text":"Um there is there are a couple of other um support agencies, non-profit organizations, that are looking to collaborate uh with us, the Dover Human Relations Commission, um to talk about some of the activities that they want to present um for downtown and some of the support that they want to lend. 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So not long, not just spring break, but when the summertime comes, um you know, we should be looking to have something in place before summertime comes. So I've been trying to see what the city might uh be trying to present as far as uh activities and and things for the summer, um cuz we know when once it gets hot and and folks are outside and things are going on. So uh we definitely want to have some things uh set up and scheduled and planned and and and places for uh some of our young folk that we were talking about. The Saturday Academy with um the library having um uh the nonprofit organizations come in to teach the financial literacy, uh also to um speak on mental health in the youth, and uh um there's there's an agency that wants to come in and talk about arts, performing arts, and things like that in the city. So that's coming up and they'll be coming to fill out the intake form and and see if how they can receive support from us, not financial cuz I already told them that, you know, we can't we're not allowed to give financial uh support in that that way, but we can help out when it comes to like being able to uh probably capture venues and and being approved to have things, particular places. So we have to look out for that. Uh that's how we can lend our our space. We can lend space, that's what we're looking at. Okay, Bishop Bismillah, did you have anything you want to add too? Good to see you Bishop, Commissioner Bismillah. 'Kay, um of of course, the bylaws, Commissioner Brinkley had printed out. Uh hopefully um you had a chance to review some of them. Uh Commissioner Brinkley, did you want to comment on the bylaws?","topics_json":"[]","vector_id":"vec_seg_98896_48","created_at":"2026-10-31T05:58:59Z","speaker_name":null},{"id":"seg_98896_49","meeting_id":"98896","media_asset_id":"med_98896_fe917dc459816e8d","agenda_item_id":null,"speaker_id":"spk_98896_commissioner_brinkley","speaker_confidence":0.9,"start_sec":527.09,"end_sec":541.74,"text":"Um just as last meeting, I would like to update our bylaws um to make our role clearer to ourselves and in the community. Um the last time that they were updated was in 2004, and they need an update. Um as soon as co-chair's schedule um allows and my schedule will allow, I would like for us to have that meeting so that we can just update these bylaws because it it's needed.","topics_json":"[]","vector_id":"vec_seg_98896_49","created_at":"2026-10-31T05:58:59Z","speaker_name":null},{"id":"seg_98896_5","meeting_id":"98896","media_asset_id":"med_98896_fe917dc459816e8d","agenda_item_id":null,"speaker_id":"spk_98896_chair","speaker_confidence":1,"start_sec":32.66,"end_sec":79.97,"text":"Yes, sir. Commissioner Lockett, as Commissioner Lockett comes down, we still have a quorum. So with the motion on the floor, it's been properly moved and seconded that we will take the 10-minute forum and we will move it to the end of our meeting. Ready for the question? All ready for the question? Ready for the question? Those in favor?","topics_json":"[]","vector_id":"vec_seg_98896_5","created_at":"2026-10-31T05:58:59Z","speaker_name":null},{"id":"seg_98896_50","meeting_id":"98896","media_asset_id":"med_98896_fe917dc459816e8d","agenda_item_id":null,"speaker_id":"spk_98896_chair","speaker_confidence":0.9,"start_sec":541.87,"end_sec":542.61,"text":"Commissioner White?","topics_json":"[]","vector_id":"vec_seg_98896_50","created_at":"2026-10-31T05:58:59Z","speaker_name":null},{"id":"seg_98896_51","meeting_id":"98896","media_asset_id":"med_98896_fe917dc459816e8d","agenda_item_id":null,"speaker_id":"spk_98896_faye_white","speaker_confidence":0.9,"start_sec":542.61,"end_sec":544.85,"text":"I think some of them can stay in the in the order in which they are in.","topics_json":"[]","vector_id":"vec_seg_98896_51","created_at":"2026-10-31T05:58:59Z","speaker_name":"Faye White"},{"id":"seg_98896_52","meeting_id":"98896","media_asset_id":"med_98896_fe917dc459816e8d","agenda_item_id":null,"speaker_id":"spk_98896_chair","speaker_confidence":0.9,"start_sec":544.91,"end_sec":545.53,"text":"Say it again?","topics_json":"[]","vector_id":"vec_seg_98896_52","created_at":"2026-10-31T05:58:59Z","speaker_name":null},{"id":"seg_98896_53","meeting_id":"98896","media_asset_id":"med_98896_fe917dc459816e8d","agenda_item_id":null,"speaker_id":"spk_98896_faye_white","speaker_confidence":0.9,"start_sec":545.53,"end_sec":550.25,"text":"I feel that some of them can stay in the order in which they are in, and then if there's need to be anything need to be revised, um...","topics_json":"[]","vector_id":"vec_seg_98896_53","created_at":"2026-10-31T05:58:59Z","speaker_name":"Faye White"},{"id":"seg_98896_54","meeting_id":"98896","media_asset_id":"med_98896_fe917dc459816e8d","agenda_item_id":null,"speaker_id":"spk_98896_chair","speaker_confidence":0.9,"start_sec":550.37,"end_sec":587.75,"text":"Did you take a look at it? The The bylaws, um the details in the bylaws, there are some changes, but the order is pretty much going to be the same. Um what we're really looking at is the terminology out of date for the procedure of the uh Commission, okay? Cuz there's some things that the Commission doesn't work with anymore, okay?","topics_json":"[]","vector_id":"vec_seg_98896_54","created_at":"2026-10-31T05:58:59Z","speaker_name":null},{"id":"seg_98896_55","meeting_id":"98896","media_asset_id":"med_98896_fe917dc459816e8d","agenda_item_id":null,"speaker_id":"spk_98896_faye_white","speaker_confidence":0.9,"start_sec":588.06,"end_sec":589.74,"text":"My apologies. In a year or more...","topics_json":"[]","vector_id":"vec_seg_98896_55","created_at":"2026-10-31T05:58:59Z","speaker_name":"Faye White"},{"id":"seg_98896_56","meeting_id":"98896","media_asset_id":"med_98896_fe917dc459816e8d","agenda_item_id":null,"speaker_id":"spk_98896_chair","speaker_confidence":0.9,"start_sec":589.74,"end_sec":606.82,"text":"All right. If you look at page 11 on the with the bylaws, I'm not I I think you all should have them. Everybody should have one. If you look at page 11 on the bylaws, Article 5, it talks about committees, especially in that area right there we want to look at. Uh we want to make sure that that verbage is going along with the committees that we are now operating under. Please if you when you can take the time to uh go over at least uh that Article 5 section and make some comments for the committees.","topics_json":"[]","vector_id":"vec_seg_98896_56","created_at":"2026-10-31T05:58:59Z","speaker_name":null},{"id":"seg_98896_57","meeting_id":"98896","media_asset_id":"med_98896_fe917dc459816e8d","agenda_item_id":null,"speaker_id":"spk_98896_chair","speaker_confidence":0.9,"start_sec":606.82,"end_sec":619.48,"text":"Uh for the finance, we have not uh made any major purchases at all. Um I think the last purchase was Commissioner Brinkley's uh shirt. And everybody should be okay as far as your um your cards. If you need more business cards, commissioner cards, uh just let Ms. Warren know, and the 211 cards.","topics_json":"[\"budget\"]","vector_id":"vec_seg_98896_57","created_at":"2026-10-31T05:58:59Z","speaker_name":null},{"id":"seg_98896_58","meeting_id":"98896","media_asset_id":"med_98896_fe917dc459816e8d","agenda_item_id":null,"speaker_id":"spk_98896_commissioner","speaker_confidence":0.8,"start_sec":619.48,"end_sec":623.02,"text":"211 cards only take about four business days to get, so if I know we're running short, I can always ask for more stock.","topics_json":"[]","vector_id":"vec_seg_98896_58","created_at":"2026-10-31T05:58:59Z","speaker_name":null},{"id":"seg_98896_59","meeting_id":"98896","media_asset_id":"med_98896_fe917dc459816e8d","agenda_item_id":null,"speaker_id":"spk_98896_chair","speaker_confidence":0.9,"start_sec":623.02,"end_sec":626.87,"text":"Okay. So we still have the same we still have uh funds in in that budget. Let's look at Old Business.","topics_json":"[\"budget\"]","vector_id":"vec_seg_98896_59","created_at":"2026-10-31T05:58:59Z","speaker_name":null},{"id":"seg_98896_6","meeting_id":"98896","media_asset_id":"med_98896_fe917dc459816e8d","agenda_item_id":null,"speaker_id":"spk_98896_faust","speaker_confidence":1,"start_sec":80.31,"end_sec":81.27,"text":"Aye.","topics_json":"[]","vector_id":"vec_seg_98896_6","created_at":"2026-10-31T05:58:59Z","speaker_name":"Faust"},{"id":"seg_98896_60","meeting_id":"98896","media_asset_id":"med_98896_fe917dc459816e8d","agenda_item_id":null,"speaker_id":"spk_98896_chair","speaker_confidence":0.9,"start_sec":626.87,"end_sec":662.14,"text":"So we're uh um this is the point uh on our Old Business where we will have a discussion uh regarding the um vacant buildings. Um so we have with us this evening Ms. Sharon Duca, assistant city manager, and I do believe uh Ms. Duca, how you doing this evening?","topics_json":"[\"housing\"]","vector_id":"vec_seg_98896_60","created_at":"2026-10-31T05:58:59Z","speaker_name":null},{"id":"seg_98896_61","meeting_id":"98896","media_asset_id":"med_98896_fe917dc459816e8d","agenda_item_id":null,"speaker_id":"spk_98896_the_assistant","speaker_confidence":1,"start_sec":662.14,"end_sec":663.57,"text":"Very good. Thank you, sir.","topics_json":"[]","vector_id":"vec_seg_98896_61","created_at":"2026-10-31T05:58:59Z","speaker_name":"the assistant"},{"id":"seg_98896_62","meeting_id":"98896","media_asset_id":"med_98896_fe917dc459816e8d","agenda_item_id":null,"speaker_id":"spk_98896_the_assistant","speaker_confidence":1,"start_sec":663.57,"end_sec":684.12,"text":"Um good evening, members of the Commission. My name is Sharon Duca. I'm the assistant city manager for the City of Dover. Um I did review the minutes from your December 16th meeting where this item was originally discussed. I have also reviewed the information in the packet that Mr. Hugg provided to the City Clerk's office uh regarding the va- vacant building list as of February. Um it actually showed um our vacant building cases that Code Enforcement currently has on the books.","topics_json":"[\"housing\"]","vector_id":"vec_seg_98896_62","created_at":"2026-10-31T05:58:59Z","speaker_name":"the assistant"},{"id":"seg_98896_63","meeting_id":"98896","media_asset_id":"med_98896_fe917dc459816e8d","agenda_item_id":null,"speaker_id":"spk_98896_the_assistant","speaker_confidence":1,"start_sec":684.12,"end_sec":718.39,"text":"Um in general, there are approximately 130 vacant buildings at any given time um in the City of Dover. Um it should be noted that these properties that were provided to you are not owned by the City of Dover. Um they are private properties.","topics_json":"[\"housing\"]","vector_id":"vec_seg_98896_63","created_at":"2026-10-31T05:58:59Z","speaker_name":"the assistant"},{"id":"seg_98896_64","meeting_id":"98896","media_asset_id":"med_98896_fe917dc459816e8d","agenda_item_id":null,"speaker_id":"spk_98896_the_assistant","speaker_confidence":1,"start_sec":718.39,"end_sec":728.95,"text":"Um if there was interest in any of them, um in order for the City to purchase them, Council would need to ap- approve and fund that purchase. Um and then they would need to approve donation of that property um to whatever entity was part of the project.","topics_json":"[\"housing\",\"budget\"]","vector_id":"vec_seg_98896_64","created_at":"2026-10-31T05:58:59Z","speaker_name":"the assistant"},{"id":"seg_98896_65","meeting_id":"98896","media_asset_id":"med_98896_fe917dc459816e8d","agenda_item_id":null,"speaker_id":"spk_98896_the_assistant","speaker_confidence":1,"start_sec":728.95,"end_sec":740.56,"text":"Um I would also like to note that it's important to ensure that any property is properly zoned for the use that would be proposed um before proceeding with purchase to make sure it's an appropriate uh choice. 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Uh, usually, or historically, the intent has been to try to get our money back on what we put into the property or the amount of money we lost in taxes.","topics_json":"[\"taxes\",\"budget\",\"housing\"]","vector_id":"vec_seg_98896_71","created_at":"2026-10-31T05:58:59Z","speaker_name":"Sharon Duca"},{"id":"seg_98896_72","meeting_id":"98896","media_asset_id":"med_98896_fe917dc459816e8d","agenda_item_id":null,"speaker_id":"spk_98896_sharon_duca","speaker_confidence":1,"start_sec":813.75,"end_sec":870.75,"text":"Um, the other category that you brought up, um, is usually related to dangerous buildings. Um, if they wind up going before Council, and the property owner doesn't deal with it, they wind up getting, um, demolished by the city, and that cost of the demolition becomes a lien on the property. Um, it depends upon the order of liens that are existing on the property as to how ours rank. 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So, um, I think initially when we discussed this in December, it was touching base on how many city-owned vacant buildings there were instead of, you know, regular civilian homeowner, the, uh, buildings there were. Do you know how many city vacant buildings that are not being used that could potentially be used for, let's just say a homeless shelter or a community center or something that the community can benefit from?","topics_json":"[\"homelessness\",\"housing\"]","vector_id":"vec_seg_98896_74","created_at":"2026-10-31T05:58:59Z","speaker_name":"Sara Brinkley"},{"id":"seg_98896_75","meeting_id":"98896","media_asset_id":"med_98896_fe917dc459816e8d","agenda_item_id":null,"speaker_id":"spk_98896_sharon_duca","speaker_confidence":1,"start_sec":890.37,"end_sec":931.3,"text":"Um, based upon the last time city properties were reviewed, we did not have any vacant buildings owned by the city. 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Commissioner Faust?","topics_json":"[]","vector_id":"vec_seg_98896_78","created_at":"2026-10-31T05:58:59Z","speaker_name":null},{"id":"seg_98896_79","meeting_id":"98896","media_asset_id":"med_98896_fe917dc459816e8d","agenda_item_id":null,"speaker_id":"spk_98896_alan_faust","speaker_confidence":0.95,"start_sec":934.07,"end_sec":936.78,"text":"Ms. Duca has answered my questions thoroughly. Thank you, ma'am, and thank you for coming out tonight.","topics_json":"[]","vector_id":"vec_seg_98896_79","created_at":"2026-10-31T05:58:59Z","speaker_name":"Alan Faust"},{"id":"seg_98896_8","meeting_id":"98896","media_asset_id":"med_98896_fe917dc459816e8d","agenda_item_id":null,"speaker_id":"spk_98896_chair","speaker_confidence":1,"start_sec":82.6,"end_sec":86.08,"text":"Those that oppose have the same right. Motion carried.","topics_json":"[]","vector_id":"vec_seg_98896_8","created_at":"2026-10-31T05:58:59Z","speaker_name":null},{"id":"seg_98896_80","meeting_id":"98896","media_asset_id":"med_98896_fe917dc459816e8d","agenda_item_id":null,"speaker_id":"spk_98896_sharon_duca","speaker_confidence":1,"start_sec":936.78,"end_sec":937.56,"text":"It's my pleasure.","topics_json":"[]","vector_id":"vec_seg_98896_80","created_at":"2026-10-31T05:58:59Z","speaker_name":"Sharon Duca"},{"id":"seg_98896_81","meeting_id":"98896","media_asset_id":"med_98896_fe917dc459816e8d","agenda_item_id":null,"speaker_id":"spk_98896_chair","speaker_confidence":0.9,"start_sec":937.56,"end_sec":938.2,"text":"Very good.","topics_json":"[]","vector_id":"vec_seg_98896_81","created_at":"2026-10-31T05:58:59Z","speaker_name":null},{"id":"seg_98896_82","meeting_id":"98896","media_asset_id":"med_98896_fe917dc459816e8d","agenda_item_id":null,"speaker_id":"spk_98896_sharon_duca","speaker_confidence":1,"start_sec":938.2,"end_sec":939.19,"text":"May I ask a question?","topics_json":"[]","vector_id":"vec_seg_98896_82","created_at":"2026-10-31T05:58:59Z","speaker_name":"Sharon Duca"},{"id":"seg_98896_83","meeting_id":"98896","media_asset_id":"med_98896_fe917dc459816e8d","agenda_item_id":null,"speaker_id":"spk_98896_chair","speaker_confidence":0.9,"start_sec":939.19,"end_sec":939.76,"text":"You sure can.","topics_json":"[]","vector_id":"vec_seg_98896_83","created_at":"2026-10-31T05:58:59Z","speaker_name":null},{"id":"seg_98896_84","meeting_id":"98896","media_asset_id":"med_98896_fe917dc459816e8d","agenda_item_id":null,"speaker_id":"spk_98896_sharon_duca","speaker_confidence":1,"start_sec":939.76,"end_sec":944.88,"text":"Um, would you like me to proceed then with looking at the, uh, vacant properties for the city to see what size they are to report back?","topics_json":"[\"housing\"]","vector_id":"vec_seg_98896_84","created_at":"2026-10-31T05:58:59Z","speaker_name":"Sharon Duca"},{"id":"seg_98896_85","meeting_id":"98896","media_asset_id":"med_98896_fe917dc459816e8d","agenda_item_id":null,"speaker_id":"spk_98896_chair","speaker_confidence":0.9,"start_sec":944.88,"end_sec":945.66,"text":"Yes, please.","topics_json":"[]","vector_id":"vec_seg_98896_85","created_at":"2026-10-31T05:58:59Z","speaker_name":null},{"id":"seg_98896_86","meeting_id":"98896","media_asset_id":"med_98896_fe917dc459816e8d","agenda_item_id":null,"speaker_id":"spk_98896_sharon_duca","speaker_confidence":1,"start_sec":945.66,"end_sec":946.16,"text":"Okay.","topics_json":"[]","vector_id":"vec_seg_98896_86","created_at":"2026-10-31T05:58:59Z","speaker_name":"Sharon Duca"},{"id":"seg_98896_87","meeting_id":"98896","media_asset_id":"med_98896_fe917dc459816e8d","agenda_item_id":null,"speaker_id":"spk_98896_chair","speaker_confidence":0.9,"start_sec":946.16,"end_sec":946.94,"text":"Greatly appreciate it.","topics_json":"[]","vector_id":"vec_seg_98896_87","created_at":"2026-10-31T05:58:59Z","speaker_name":null},{"id":"seg_98896_88","meeting_id":"98896","media_asset_id":"med_98896_fe917dc459816e8d","agenda_item_id":null,"speaker_id":"spk_98896_sharon_duca","speaker_confidence":1,"start_sec":946.94,"end_sec":947.58,"text":"Thank you very much.","topics_json":"[]","vector_id":"vec_seg_98896_88","created_at":"2026-10-31T05:58:59Z","speaker_name":"Sharon Duca"},{"id":"seg_98896_89","meeting_id":"98896","media_asset_id":"med_98896_fe917dc459816e8d","agenda_item_id":null,"speaker_id":"spk_98896_chair","speaker_confidence":0.9,"start_sec":947.58,"end_sec":948.64,"text":"Thank you. Commissioner Brinkley.","topics_json":"[]","vector_id":"vec_seg_98896_89","created_at":"2026-10-31T05:58:59Z","speaker_name":null},{"id":"seg_98896_9","meeting_id":"98896","media_asset_id":"med_98896_fe917dc459816e8d","agenda_item_id":null,"speaker_id":"spk_98896_chair","speaker_confidence":1,"start_sec":87.06,"end_sec":97.32,"text":"So I guess we can go right into our our agenda. I'll entertain a motion to adopt the agenda, and then afterwards we will move on adopting the minutes.","topics_json":"[]","vector_id":"vec_seg_98896_9","created_at":"2026-10-31T05:58:59Z","speaker_name":null},{"id":"seg_98896_90","meeting_id":"98896","media_asset_id":"med_98896_fe917dc459816e8d","agenda_item_id":null,"speaker_id":"spk_98896_sara_brinkley","speaker_confidence":0.95,"start_sec":948.64,"end_sec":953.55,"text":"Are there buildings that the city has that I guess businesses or establishments are in that the city is not making a profit from?","topics_json":"[\"business\"]","vector_id":"vec_seg_98896_90","created_at":"2026-10-31T05:58:59Z","speaker_name":"Sara Brinkley"},{"id":"seg_98896_91","meeting_id":"98896","media_asset_id":"med_98896_fe917dc459816e8d","agenda_item_id":null,"speaker_id":"spk_98896_sharon_duca","speaker_confidence":1,"start_sec":953.55,"end_sec":957.39,"text":"Are you referring to if we lease out a building to another entity of that nature? Is that your question?","topics_json":"[\"business\"]","vector_id":"vec_seg_98896_91","created_at":"2026-10-31T05:58:59Z","speaker_name":"Sharon Duca"},{"id":"seg_98896_92","meeting_id":"98896","media_asset_id":"med_98896_fe917dc459816e8d","agenda_item_id":null,"speaker_id":"spk_98896_sara_brinkley","speaker_confidence":0.95,"start_sec":957.39,"end_sec":959.23,"text":"A building where there's no financial gain for the city.","topics_json":"[\"budget\"]","vector_id":"vec_seg_98896_92","created_at":"2026-10-31T05:58:59Z","speaker_name":"Sara Brinkley"},{"id":"seg_98896_93","meeting_id":"98896","media_asset_id":"med_98896_fe917dc459816e8d","agenda_item_id":null,"speaker_id":"spk_98896_sharon_duca","speaker_confidence":1,"start_sec":959.23,"end_sec":965.06,"text":"Um, I can verify this when we look at city properties, but as far as I know, every property that has a building on it is used for a city function.","topics_json":"[]","vector_id":"vec_seg_98896_93","created_at":"2026-10-31T05:58:59Z","speaker_name":"Sharon Duca"},{"id":"seg_98896_94","meeting_id":"98896","media_asset_id":"med_98896_fe917dc459816e8d","agenda_item_id":null,"speaker_id":"spk_98896_sara_brinkley","speaker_confidence":0.95,"start_sec":965.06,"end_sec":974.66,"text":"Final question is, is there any possibility to retrieve or obtain a list of, and I don't know how many city properties there are, um, but kind of like a short-scale list of city properties that are being utilized in its entirety?","topics_json":"[]","vector_id":"vec_seg_98896_94","created_at":"2026-10-31T05:58:59Z","speaker_name":"Sara Brinkley"},{"id":"seg_98896_95","meeting_id":"98896","media_asset_id":"med_98896_fe917dc459816e8d","agenda_item_id":null,"speaker_id":"spk_98896_sharon_duca","speaker_confidence":1,"start_sec":974.66,"end_sec":982.9,"text":"Um, yes, I can actually work with our GIS department and run a list. 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I have to check the fields.","topics_json":"[]","vector_id":"vec_seg_98896_96","created_at":"2026-10-31T05:58:59Z","speaker_name":null},{"id":"seg_98896_97","meeting_id":"98896","media_asset_id":"med_98896_fe917dc459816e8d","agenda_item_id":null,"speaker_id":"spk_98896_commissioner","speaker_confidence":0.85,"start_sec":994.71,"end_sec":1012.21,"text":"Thank you. And if it's overwhelming, then you know, disregard it. But if it's something that can be pulled up and printed, I don't want to put more on you. But if it's something that's, you know, you guys can just sit there and quickly just print it out, then I would say yes. But if it's overwhelming to where it's taking too much manpower, um, then I would digress.","topics_json":"[]","vector_id":"vec_seg_98896_97","created_at":"2026-10-31T05:58:59Z","speaker_name":null},{"id":"seg_98896_98","meeting_id":"98896","media_asset_id":"med_98896_fe917dc459816e8d","agenda_item_id":null,"speaker_id":"spk_98896_staff_member","speaker_confidence":0.85,"start_sec":1012.21,"end_sec":1026.01,"text":"I am for sure that they're definitely in the GIS system. It can be outputted as a spreadsheet, the city city buildings or uh city properties. So I would just need to make sure that information you're interested in is also is also contained on there.","topics_json":"[]","vector_id":"vec_seg_98896_98","created_at":"2026-10-31T05:58:59Z","speaker_name":null},{"id":"seg_98896_99","meeting_id":"98896","media_asset_id":"med_98896_fe917dc459816e8d","agenda_item_id":null,"speaker_id":"spk_98896_commissioner","speaker_confidence":0.85,"start_sec":1026.01,"end_sec":1026.91,"text":"Thank you.","topics_json":"[]","vector_id":"vec_seg_98896_99","created_at":"2026-10-31T05:58:59Z","speaker_name":null},{"id":"seg_98919_1","meeting_id":"98919","media_asset_id":"med_98919_hls_771e1c03f8c0eb13","agenda_item_id":null,"speaker_id":"off_fred_a_neil","speaker_confidence":1,"start_sec":0,"end_sec":6.5,"text":"We have before us here this evening's agenda. I will entertain a motion for its adoption.","topics_json":"[]","vector_id":"vec_seg_98919_1","created_at":"2026-10-31T04:55:18Z","speaker_name":"Fred A. 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In four years, you're looking at probably another—I'm going to ballpark it right now—20 to 25% increase between now and then. Normally, it's anywhere from 3 to 7% a year. Um, so yes, we would save money like we did when we bought the engine and the squad. Thanks to Mr. Mr. Hare. Um, we did save quite a bit of money by doing that. If I remember correctly, it was $300,000 we saved by ordering both of them at the same time.","topics_json":"[\"budget\",\"public_safety\"]","vector_id":"vec_seg_98919_100","created_at":"2026-10-31T04:55:18Z","speaker_name":null},{"id":"seg_98919_101","meeting_id":"98919","media_asset_id":"med_98919_hls_771e1c03f8c0eb13","agenda_item_id":null,"speaker_id":"off_brian_e_lewis","speaker_confidence":0.95,"start_sec":1451.56,"end_sec":1467.42,"text":"So, when do you anticipate we need to get this done? Because I would recommend you collaborate with Ms. Mawhinney, our finance director, to bring it to the next council meeting if if if not the following.","topics_json":"[\"budget\",\"public_safety\"]","vector_id":"vec_seg_98919_101","created_at":"2026-10-31T04:55:18Z","speaker_name":"Brian E. Lewis"},{"id":"seg_98919_102","meeting_id":"98919","media_asset_id":"med_98919_hls_771e1c03f8c0eb13","agenda_item_id":null,"speaker_id":"spk_98919_fire_chief","speaker_confidence":0.9,"start_sec":1467.42,"end_sec":1476.6,"text":"I'm not that quite ready yet. Um, but I will work with Ms. Mawhinney, and I will look into price increases when they occur and and get this moving forward as soon as we can.","topics_json":"[\"budget\",\"public_safety\"]","vector_id":"vec_seg_98919_102","created_at":"2026-10-31T04:55:18Z","speaker_name":null},{"id":"seg_98919_103","meeting_id":"98919","media_asset_id":"med_98919_hls_771e1c03f8c0eb13","agenda_item_id":null,"speaker_id":"off_brian_e_lewis","speaker_confidence":0.95,"start_sec":1476.6,"end_sec":1519.67,"text":"Okay. Excellent. And when you purchase the new apparatus, um, do you use the bells and whistles from the previous one to be cost-effective, or is that going to be, um, an addition to what we're paying for the ladder truck?","topics_json":"[\"budget\",\"public_safety\"]","vector_id":"vec_seg_98919_103","created_at":"2026-10-31T04:55:18Z","speaker_name":"Brian E. Lewis"},{"id":"seg_98919_104","meeting_id":"98919","media_asset_id":"med_98919_hls_771e1c03f8c0eb13","agenda_item_id":null,"speaker_id":"spk_98919_fire_chief","speaker_confidence":0.9,"start_sec":1519.67,"end_sec":1540.65,"text":"So what we normally do is, uh, when we sell the piece of fire apparatus that's getting replaced, so when we sell Ladder 1, the funding that comes from that sale would purchase the equipment for the new truck. So we have things that expire: air packs, hose, um, if the truck carried airbags, they expire over a 15-year period of time. Um, so those things we have to replace, but there's other things that we can move over to the to the new piece of apparatus.","topics_json":"[\"budget\",\"public_safety\"]","vector_id":"vec_seg_98919_104","created_at":"2026-10-31T04:55:18Z","speaker_name":null},{"id":"seg_98919_105","meeting_id":"98919","media_asset_id":"med_98919_hls_771e1c03f8c0eb13","agenda_item_id":null,"speaker_id":"off_brian_e_lewis","speaker_confidence":0.95,"start_sec":1540.65,"end_sec":1548.41,"text":"So when you auction off or sell the old piece, you utilize that funding to purchase the extracurricular—and that's how I'm going to identify it—","topics_json":"[\"budget\",\"public_safety\"]","vector_id":"vec_seg_98919_105","created_at":"2026-10-31T04:55:18Z","speaker_name":"Brian E. Lewis"},{"id":"seg_98919_106","meeting_id":"98919","media_asset_id":"med_98919_hls_771e1c03f8c0eb13","agenda_item_id":null,"speaker_id":"spk_98919_fire_chief","speaker_confidence":0.9,"start_sec":1548.41,"end_sec":1548.96,"text":"Yes.","topics_json":"[\"budget\",\"public_safety\"]","vector_id":"vec_seg_98919_106","created_at":"2026-10-31T04:55:18Z","speaker_name":null},{"id":"seg_98919_107","meeting_id":"98919","media_asset_id":"med_98919_hls_771e1c03f8c0eb13","agenda_item_id":null,"speaker_id":"off_brian_e_lewis","speaker_confidence":0.95,"start_sec":1548.96,"end_sec":1552.21,"text":"uh, hoses, siren, uh, strobe lights, etc., correct?","topics_json":"[\"budget\",\"public_safety\"]","vector_id":"vec_seg_98919_107","created_at":"2026-10-31T04:55:18Z","speaker_name":"Brian E. Lewis"},{"id":"seg_98919_108","meeting_id":"98919","media_asset_id":"med_98919_hls_771e1c03f8c0eb13","agenda_item_id":null,"speaker_id":"spk_98919_fire_chief","speaker_confidence":0.9,"start_sec":1552.21,"end_sec":1564.35,"text":"It's used to purchase the equipment that's carried in the compartments. So all your hand tools, your fans, your hose, your air packs, radios, flashlights, things that need to be replaced, like those type of items, that's what that money is used for: the equipment that's carried on the truck.","topics_json":"[\"budget\",\"public_safety\"]","vector_id":"vec_seg_98919_108","created_at":"2026-10-31T04:55:18Z","speaker_name":null},{"id":"seg_98919_109","meeting_id":"98919","media_asset_id":"med_98919_hls_771e1c03f8c0eb13","agenda_item_id":null,"speaker_id":"spk_98919_fire_chief","speaker_confidence":0.9,"start_sec":1564.35,"end_sec":1572.99,"text":"So when we purchase a fire truck, a ladder truck, a fire engine, a squad, you get the truck itself: the body, the tank, the hose dividers, and","topics_json":"[\"budget\",\"public_safety\"]","vector_id":"vec_seg_98919_109","created_at":"2026-10-31T04:55:18Z","speaker_name":null},{"id":"seg_98919_11","meeting_id":"98919","media_asset_id":"med_98919_hls_771e1c03f8c0eb13","agenda_item_id":null,"speaker_id":"spk_98919_city_clerk","speaker_confidence":1,"start_sec":71.8,"end_sec":73.1,"text":"Ms. Hall?","topics_json":"[]","vector_id":"vec_seg_98919_11","created_at":"2026-10-31T04:55:18Z","speaker_name":null},{"id":"seg_98919_110","meeting_id":"98919","media_asset_id":"med_98919_hls_771e1c03f8c0eb13","agenda_item_id":null,"speaker_id":"spk_98919_sean_christiansen","speaker_confidence":0.9,"start_sec":1572.99,"end_sec":1578.09,"text":"then you have to put everything inside of it, and that's what those those funds are used for.","topics_json":"[\"budget\",\"public_safety\"]","vector_id":"vec_seg_98919_110","created_at":"2026-10-31T04:55:18Z","speaker_name":"Sean Christiansen"},{"id":"seg_98919_111","meeting_id":"98919","media_asset_id":"med_98919_hls_771e1c03f8c0eb13","agenda_item_id":null,"speaker_id":"off_brian_e_lewis","speaker_confidence":0.95,"start_sec":1578.09,"end_sec":1583.49,"text":"Okay. I I was talking about like, you know, the bells and whistles that comes with it.","topics_json":"[\"budget\",\"public_safety\"]","vector_id":"vec_seg_98919_111","created_at":"2026-10-31T04:55:18Z","speaker_name":"Brian E. Lewis"},{"id":"seg_98919_112","meeting_id":"98919","media_asset_id":"med_98919_hls_771e1c03f8c0eb13","agenda_item_id":null,"speaker_id":"spk_98919_sean_christiansen","speaker_confidence":0.9,"start_sec":1583.49,"end_sec":1584.69,"text":"That comes Oh, okay.","topics_json":"[\"budget\",\"public_safety\"]","vector_id":"vec_seg_98919_112","created_at":"2026-10-31T04:55:18Z","speaker_name":"Sean Christiansen"},{"id":"seg_98919_113","meeting_id":"98919","media_asset_id":"med_98919_hls_771e1c03f8c0eb13","agenda_item_id":null,"speaker_id":"off_brian_e_lewis","speaker_confidence":0.95,"start_sec":1584.69,"end_sec":1595.49,"text":"Okay, so we don't have to pay for that. [laughter] Because I thought we talked about this once before and he says, well, these trucks come pretty much stripped. They're basic. We got to put everything else into them.","topics_json":"[\"budget\",\"public_safety\"]","vector_id":"vec_seg_98919_113","created_at":"2026-10-31T04:55:18Z","speaker_name":"Brian E. Lewis"},{"id":"seg_98919_114","meeting_id":"98919","media_asset_id":"med_98919_hls_771e1c03f8c0eb13","agenda_item_id":null,"speaker_id":"spk_98919_sean_christiansen","speaker_confidence":0.9,"start_sec":1595.49,"end_sec":1597.19,"text":"Yeah, you have to put all the equip-","topics_json":"[\"budget\",\"public_safety\"]","vector_id":"vec_seg_98919_114","created_at":"2026-10-31T04:55:18Z","speaker_name":"Sean Christiansen"},{"id":"seg_98919_115","meeting_id":"98919","media_asset_id":"med_98919_hls_771e1c03f8c0eb13","agenda_item_id":null,"speaker_id":"off_brian_e_lewis","speaker_confidence":0.95,"start_sec":1597.19,"end_sec":1651.79,"text":"Okay, I just want to make sure. Um, and my last and final question is, um tonight, um we we had a crowd come out from the neighborhood where Robbins Hose Company is located pertaining to various issues with homeless individuals. And, you know, I would just like for you to elaborate, you know, on the record because you know, I, and you know, I think all of us here in this chamber supports the fire department. You know, it's volunteer. You guys put your lives on the line every day to protect the citizens of this city. What are you currently experiencing over there, as of this date, with individuals congregating in the neighborhood? Because I know you and I spoke about this, but I'd like you to put it on the record if you don't mind.","topics_json":"[\"homelessness\",\"public_safety\"]","vector_id":"vec_seg_98919_115","created_at":"2026-10-31T04:55:18Z","speaker_name":"Brian E. Lewis"},{"id":"seg_98919_116","meeting_id":"98919","media_asset_id":"med_98919_hls_771e1c03f8c0eb13","agenda_item_id":null,"speaker_id":"spk_98919_sean_christiansen","speaker_confidence":0.9,"start_sec":1651.79,"end_sec":1769.59,"text":"So when I brought the CAF to the City Council for the fence, you know, we've we've had sexual activities happening behind the fire station, like right up against the building, um which I ran off myself when I found out about it. Uh walking out in front of us in traffic, not and this is just the general neighborhood downtown. Governors Avenue, they'll walk right out in front of you as you're going to a call. Lights and sirens can be on. They don't care. They'll walk right out in front of you like you're not even there. Um the other night during a tornado warning, of course, my phone goes off. I jump up. I go to the firehouse, right? Most people go and hide. I'm driving down the street. So I'm pulling up to the fire station and three individuals come across the street to our side of the street walking right down the middle. I'm driving right towards them. They have no ambition to get to the sidewalk. You know, if if the trucks were pulling out where they were, which was right in front of the engine bays, somebody pulls out of the fire station and they don't see them, they're going to hit them. And when you have a 78,000 lb ladder truck hit somebody, it's not going to fare well for them. You know, so it's a safety concern for us. Um actually, my dashcam got it all the other night when I was pulling up to the station. All of our apparatus now are equipped with dashcams. Helps us with insurance ratings, helps us with our insurance payments, um and also it protects us. So if we hit somebody or somebody hits us, you know, we have it on film. Um Of course, the issues of people walking through the parking lot, trying car doors after people have responded into calls, or just the duty crew staying there at night trying cars. You know, we've had computers stolen, guns stolen, all those things have happened. Now, I will say, Cameron was here this evening, um which is across the street from us. The past couple of weeks, there's been a lot of police activity. Um, corner of Reed and Governors, a lot going on there. Things have things have slowed down a little bit. Um","topics_json":"[\"homelessness\",\"public_safety\"]","vector_id":"vec_seg_98919_116","created_at":"2026-10-31T04:55:18Z","speaker_name":"Sean Christiansen"},{"id":"seg_98919_117","meeting_id":"98919","media_asset_id":"med_98919_hls_771e1c03f8c0eb13","agenda_item_id":null,"speaker_id":"off_roy_sudler_jr","speaker_confidence":0.95,"start_sec":1769.62,"end_sec":1827.32,"text":"The United Church was out there the day of the St. Patty's Day parade? Um, I'm not sure if it was them or if people from The People's Church, but there was individuals out walking the street picking up trash, which we have a lot of trash in the street. Bradford Street's full of Reed Street's full of trash. Um, and they were taking pictures, you know, in front of the firehouse picking up trash, um, which is great. So that's helped clean up the neighborhood a little bit, but there's a lot of work needs to be done. And, uh, that whole Bradford Street, Reed Street, Governors Avenue is a mess. I I It's it's quite obvious you can see it. But there has been a lot of police activity at that corner and I think that's kind of helped deter some of it. Okay, also, uh, thank you for your due diligence and, um, uh, the men and women in the fire department that I'm not only on the wall, I think I'm speaking for everybody else if they don't mind, appreciate everything that they do and their service. And that's all I have. Thank you.","topics_json":"[\"public_safety\"]","vector_id":"vec_seg_98919_117","created_at":"2026-10-31T04:55:18Z","speaker_name":"Roy Sudler, Jr."},{"id":"seg_98919_118","meeting_id":"98919","media_asset_id":"med_98919_hls_771e1c03f8c0eb13","agenda_item_id":null,"speaker_id":"off_fred_a_neil","speaker_confidence":0.95,"start_sec":1827.62,"end_sec":1829.12,"text":"Councilman Anderson.","topics_json":"[]","vector_id":"vec_seg_98919_118","created_at":"2026-10-31T04:55:18Z","speaker_name":"Fred A. Neil"},{"id":"seg_98919_119","meeting_id":"98919","media_asset_id":"med_98919_hls_771e1c03f8c0eb13","agenda_item_id":null,"speaker_id":"off_david_l_anderson","speaker_confidence":0.95,"start_sec":1829.62,"end_sec":1834.62,"text":"Thank you, Mr. President. Thank you, Chief, for the presentation.","topics_json":"[\"public_safety\"]","vector_id":"vec_seg_98919_119","created_at":"2026-10-31T04:55:18Z","speaker_name":"David L. Anderson"},{"id":"seg_98919_12","meeting_id":"98919","media_asset_id":"med_98919_hls_771e1c03f8c0eb13","agenda_item_id":null,"speaker_id":"off_donyale_m_hall","speaker_confidence":1,"start_sec":73.1,"end_sec":74.2,"text":"Yes.","topics_json":"[]","vector_id":"vec_seg_98919_12","created_at":"2026-10-31T04:55:18Z","speaker_name":"Donyale M. 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Is that just something that somebody had a suspicion of and didn't pan out, included in that, or or are those, um um, or are those, um, false calls, or, I mean what what what do you consider a false alarm, and, and where where do those come from? Are they Are they prim- primarily different sources or are they, um, just spread out generally?","topics_json":"[\"public_safety\"]","vector_id":"vec_seg_98919_121","created_at":"2026-10-31T04:55:18Z","speaker_name":"David L. Anderson"},{"id":"seg_98919_122","meeting_id":"98919","media_asset_id":"med_98919_hls_771e1c03f8c0eb13","agenda_item_id":null,"speaker_id":"spk_98919_fire_chief","speaker_confidence":0.9,"start_sec":1892.62,"end_sec":1966.22,"text":"So there's a couple different ways. And And I'll use a pull station activation for example, like the pull station on your wall here in the chambers. So, we go to a lot of pull station activations where someone has went and pulled the fire alarm, whether they did it on purpose or if it was accidental. We We don't know that unless someone tells us that we they saw someone pull the alarm, so it's classified as a false alarm. Um, if we go somewhere and the smoke detector is activated in the building, but there's no cause, it could be classified as a false alarm or an a alarm malfunction. Um, so this is this information's pulled from our computer-aided dispatch system, um, and it's they classify them as false alarms in there. So we do go to several of those a year, as you can tell. Um, the City Fire Marshal's Office works very hard on helping curtail that by going out and fining the occupants of the buildings to get their fire alarms fixed, um, and through their inspections that they do. So between the fire department and City Fire Marshal's Office, we work hand-in-hand on that. Whenever we go to a fire alarm activation, the fire dispatcher fills out a fire alarm activation report that gets immediately sent to the fire marshal's...","topics_json":"[\"public_safety\"]","vector_id":"vec_seg_98919_122","created_at":"2026-10-31T04:55:18Z","speaker_name":null},{"id":"seg_98919_123","meeting_id":"98919","media_asset_id":"med_98919_hls_771e1c03f8c0eb13","agenda_item_id":null,"speaker_id":"spk_98919_fire_department_representative","speaker_confidence":0.9,"start_sec":1966.24,"end_sec":1975.14,"text":"marshal's office. So every morning when they come in, they go they go through them, and then they disperse out, and I guess at that point they would handle handle them in their office.","topics_json":"[\"public_safety\"]","vector_id":"vec_seg_98919_123","created_at":"2026-10-31T04:55:18Z","speaker_name":null},{"id":"seg_98919_124","meeting_id":"98919","media_asset_id":"med_98919_hls_771e1c03f8c0eb13","agenda_item_id":null,"speaker_id":"off_gerald_l_rocha_sr","speaker_confidence":0.85,"start_sec":1975.44,"end_sec":1985.64,"text":"Thank you. Are Are there any um are there any types of buildings that are more susceptible to false alarms, or...","topics_json":"[\"public_safety\"]","vector_id":"vec_seg_98919_124","created_at":"2026-10-31T04:55:18Z","speaker_name":"Gerald L. Rocha, Sr."},{"id":"seg_98919_125","meeting_id":"98919","media_asset_id":"med_98919_hls_771e1c03f8c0eb13","agenda_item_id":null,"speaker_id":"spk_98919_fire_department_representative","speaker_confidence":0.9,"start_sec":1986.14,"end_sec":2007.74,"text":"Well, we spend a lot of time at Del State. Um, I believe it's probably, if I remember correctly, like 135, 145 times last year that we were up there. I would have to, uh, go and confirm that number, though. It's well over a hundred, I can tell you that. Um, so we spend a lot of time there, mainly on the main campus, not downtown. Um, that's our that's our big one. That's our big one.","topics_json":"[\"public_safety\"]","vector_id":"vec_seg_98919_125","created_at":"2026-10-31T04:55:18Z","speaker_name":null},{"id":"seg_98919_126","meeting_id":"98919","media_asset_id":"med_98919_hls_771e1c03f8c0eb13","agenda_item_id":null,"speaker_id":"off_gerald_l_rocha_sr","speaker_confidence":0.85,"start_sec":2008.24,"end_sec":2024.94,"text":"So it so that's a, um, reasonable That's a lot of hours and the like. That's a reasonable justification as well for the, um the the fire grant moneys and the like because you don't get uh compensated for that if that","topics_json":"[\"public_safety\",\"budget\"]","vector_id":"vec_seg_98919_126","created_at":"2026-10-31T04:55:18Z","speaker_name":"Gerald L. Rocha, Sr."},{"id":"seg_98919_127","meeting_id":"98919","media_asset_id":"med_98919_hls_771e1c03f8c0eb13","agenda_item_id":null,"speaker_id":"spk_98919_fire_department_representative","speaker_confidence":0.9,"start_sec":2025.04,"end_sec":2100.34,"text":"Yeah. And and you know, we're running an engine, a ladder up there, and a duty officer, and sometimes two engines. Um, a lot of it is, uh, things that people shouldn't be doing in the rooms. Um, we'll leave it at that. And, uh, it activates the fire alarm, and then we show up. Now, we have worked with the fire marshal's office on, uh, changing their, uh, smoke detectors out to being a dual-action system, which means two detectors have to go off before we would make a response and before the alarm would even activate the building. So, um, that has helped us as well. That's helped to reduce some of that.","topics_json":"[\"public_safety\"]","vector_id":"vec_seg_98919_127","created_at":"2026-10-31T04:55:18Z","speaker_name":null},{"id":"seg_98919_128","meeting_id":"98919","media_asset_id":"med_98919_hls_771e1c03f8c0eb13","agenda_item_id":null,"speaker_id":"off_gerald_l_rocha_sr","speaker_confidence":0.85,"start_sec":2100.54,"end_sec":2109.14,"text":"Uh-huh. Yeah, thank you. And, uh, we're also grateful for, uh, particularly the state grant, as well. So thank you very much.","topics_json":"[\"public_safety\",\"budget\"]","vector_id":"vec_seg_98919_128","created_at":"2026-10-31T04:55:18Z","speaker_name":"Gerald L. Rocha, Sr."},{"id":"seg_98919_129","meeting_id":"98919","media_asset_id":"med_98919_hls_771e1c03f8c0eb13","agenda_item_id":null,"speaker_id":"off_fred_a_neil","speaker_confidence":0.95,"start_sec":2109.44,"end_sec":2117.14,"text":"Any additional questions? Seeing no additional questions, um Councilman Sudler.","topics_json":"[]","vector_id":"vec_seg_98919_129","created_at":"2026-10-31T04:55:18Z","speaker_name":"Fred A. Neil"},{"id":"seg_98919_13","meeting_id":"98919","media_asset_id":"med_98919_hls_771e1c03f8c0eb13","agenda_item_id":null,"speaker_id":"spk_98919_city_clerk","speaker_confidence":1,"start_sec":74.2,"end_sec":75.3,"text":"Mr. Boggerty?","topics_json":"[]","vector_id":"vec_seg_98919_13","created_at":"2026-10-31T04:55:18Z","speaker_name":null},{"id":"seg_98919_130","meeting_id":"98919","media_asset_id":"med_98919_hls_771e1c03f8c0eb13","agenda_item_id":null,"speaker_id":"off_roy_sudler_jr","speaker_confidence":0.95,"start_sec":2117.34,"end_sec":2120.04,"text":"Thank you for recognizing me, Council President, uh, Neil.","topics_json":"[]","vector_id":"vec_seg_98919_130","created_at":"2026-10-31T04:55:18Z","speaker_name":"Roy Sudler, Jr."},{"id":"seg_98919_131","meeting_id":"98919","media_asset_id":"med_98919_hls_771e1c03f8c0eb13","agenda_item_id":null,"speaker_id":"off_fred_a_neil","speaker_confidence":0.95,"start_sec":2120.14,"end_sec":2122.64,"text":"Now I can see you!","topics_json":"[]","vector_id":"vec_seg_98919_131","created_at":"2026-10-31T04:55:18Z","speaker_name":"Fred A. Neil"},{"id":"seg_98919_132","meeting_id":"98919","media_asset_id":"med_98919_hls_771e1c03f8c0eb13","agenda_item_id":null,"speaker_id":"off_roy_sudler_jr","speaker_confidence":0.95,"start_sec":2122.74,"end_sec":2162.84,"text":"Thank you. Okay. In regards to, um Let me take the hand down since you did. Chief, thank you for your presentation. Uh, in regards to, um, Delaware State University, have you also spoke with them in regards to possibly having individual smoke detectors, one with a battery? Uh, I think that would help to reduce, like somewhat like we have in apartments where where you have like an individual for the room, and then you also have one for, you know, the building itself. I think that will help to, uh, decrease the amount of times you could that you're actually coming out there because they do have, um, residence advisers, student advisers, and they also have dorm managers. I's been a dorm manager there myself. So, I was thinking that, you know, if you would encourage them to have individual smoke detectors, the dorm managers that work there at night, they will hear the smoke detector go off, and then they can walk, uh, and and, you know, see what's going on, and then that would keep you from having to make so many calls. Um, but I do appreciate you and your whole team and all you do for the city of Dover, but I do think that that would help out tremendously. 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But I'm also- not worried, but also interested in knowing what, separate from Delaware State University, what are your next two, the other two big contributors to false alarms other than Delaware State University, if- if you don't mind sharing that with me.","topics_json":"[\"public_safety\"]","vector_id":"vec_seg_98919_133","created_at":"2026-10-31T04:55:18Z","speaker_name":"Roy Sudler, Jr."},{"id":"seg_98919_134","meeting_id":"98919","media_asset_id":"med_98919_hls_771e1c03f8c0eb13","agenda_item_id":null,"speaker_id":"spk_98919_david_carey","speaker_confidence":0.95,"start_sec":2182.73,"end_sec":2186.86,"text":"Honestly, I would have to go and look. Um, I would have to pull those numbers and- and be able to- I'll have to get back to you on that one.","topics_json":"[\"public_safety\"]","vector_id":"vec_seg_98919_134","created_at":"2026-10-31T04:55:18Z","speaker_name":"David Carey"},{"id":"seg_98919_135","meeting_id":"98919","media_asset_id":"med_98919_hls_771e1c03f8c0eb13","agenda_item_id":null,"speaker_id":"off_roy_sudler_jr","speaker_confidence":0.95,"start_sec":2186.86,"end_sec":2250.51,"text":"Okay. Because I- I noticed that throughout the years, Delaware State University has been- has been brought to our attention quite often. Um, so I- I was just sort of interested, is there any other agency that happen to have a high call volume for false alarm? And- and my last question is, um, what do you attribute your high retention rate to? What are you doing that's- that's really working out for you that's allowing or sort of contributing to your fire- employees for the fire department to to want to stay and- and have such a high retention rate? Can you share that with us quickly- quickly elaborate on that for us, please?","topics_json":"[\"public_safety\"]","vector_id":"vec_seg_98919_135","created_at":"2026-10-31T04:55:18Z","speaker_name":"Roy Sudler, Jr."},{"id":"seg_98919_136","meeting_id":"98919","media_asset_id":"med_98919_hls_771e1c03f8c0eb13","agenda_item_id":null,"speaker_id":"spk_98919_david_carey","speaker_confidence":0.95,"start_sec":2250.51,"end_sec":2264.92,"text":"So, I'm going to- I'm going to give you a two-part question. So, in- in regards to the fire alarm system, all that's handled by the fire marshal's office. I don't know what the code says and how that's supposed to be handled for a dormitory. That would- that would be something that we would need to talk to Fire Marshal Jason Osika about.","topics_json":"[\"public_safety\"]","vector_id":"vec_seg_98919_136","created_at":"2026-10-31T04:55:18Z","speaker_name":"David Carey"},{"id":"seg_98919_137","meeting_id":"98919","media_asset_id":"med_98919_hls_771e1c03f8c0eb13","agenda_item_id":null,"speaker_id":"off_roy_sudler_jr","speaker_confidence":0.95,"start_sec":2264.92,"end_sec":2265.85,"text":"Okay.","topics_json":"[\"public_safety\"]","vector_id":"vec_seg_98919_137","created_at":"2026-10-31T04:55:18Z","speaker_name":"Roy Sudler, Jr."},{"id":"seg_98919_138","meeting_id":"98919","media_asset_id":"med_98919_hls_771e1c03f8c0eb13","agenda_item_id":null,"speaker_id":"spk_98919_david_carey","speaker_confidence":0.95,"start_sec":2265.85,"end_sec":2276.92,"text":"Um, but I do know like in the newer dormitories, I'm not sure if they moved into the older ones or not, but the newer ones, it's a dual-action system where if the room detector goes off, it takes another one to go off before the fire alarm in the whole building goes off. Um,","topics_json":"[\"public_safety\"]","vector_id":"vec_seg_98919_138","created_at":"2026-10-31T04:55:18Z","speaker_name":"David Carey"},{"id":"seg_98919_139","meeting_id":"98919","media_asset_id":"med_98919_hls_771e1c03f8c0eb13","agenda_item_id":null,"speaker_id":"off_roy_sudler_jr","speaker_confidence":0.95,"start_sec":2276.92,"end_sec":2277.77,"text":"Good.","topics_json":"[\"public_safety\"]","vector_id":"vec_seg_98919_139","created_at":"2026-10-31T04:55:18Z","speaker_name":"Roy Sudler, Jr."},{"id":"seg_98919_14","meeting_id":"98919","media_asset_id":"med_98919_hls_771e1c03f8c0eb13","agenda_item_id":null,"speaker_id":"off_andre_m_boggerty","speaker_confidence":1,"start_sec":75.3,"end_sec":76.1,"text":"Yes.","topics_json":"[]","vector_id":"vec_seg_98919_14","created_at":"2026-10-31T04:55:18Z","speaker_name":"Andre M. Boggerty"},{"id":"seg_98919_140","meeting_id":"98919","media_asset_id":"med_98919_hls_771e1c03f8c0eb13","agenda_item_id":null,"speaker_id":"spk_98919_david_carey","speaker_confidence":0.95,"start_sec":2277.77,"end_sec":2333.63,"text":"He- he would be able to explain that better than I can, because he's into that code every day. Um, but he could- he could give us an answer on- on your question on that. Um, and as far as retention, um, so it has its ups and downs. 2025, it- by numbers, it looked really well. Um, you know, and- and I've said this before, you know, it's- it's all what you put into it. You know, if- if you're eager, you want to be there, you want to put the time in, um, you want to learn, great things happen. Um,","topics_json":"[\"public_safety\"]","vector_id":"vec_seg_98919_140","created_at":"2026-10-31T04:55:18Z","speaker_name":"David Carey"},{"id":"seg_98919_141","meeting_id":"98919","media_asset_id":"med_98919_hls_771e1c03f8c0eb13","agenda_item_id":null,"speaker_id":"off_roy_sudler_jr","speaker_confidence":0.95,"start_sec":2333.63,"end_sec":2334.56,"text":"Right.","topics_json":"[\"public_safety\"]","vector_id":"vec_seg_98919_141","created_at":"2026-10-31T04:55:18Z","speaker_name":"Roy Sudler, Jr."},{"id":"seg_98919_142","meeting_id":"98919","media_asset_id":"med_98919_hls_771e1c03f8c0eb13","agenda_item_id":null,"speaker_id":"spk_98919_david_carey","speaker_confidence":0.95,"start_sec":2334.56,"end_sec":2358.56,"text":"and- and then you have individuals that that that get there, and it's just not for them. Um, you know, some of the things that we have worked on and we need to continue work on- working on is making people feel welcome. So, you know, the firehouse is just like any other place of employment, when you walk in your first day, everybody's like, 'Oh, who's that?' You know? Um, instead of going up and shaking a hand, say, 'Hey, how are you? My name's David Carey.' There- there- some people are just stand-offish, which makes people not feel maybe as wanted as they should be. But that's- that's in every profession, right? Um,","topics_json":"[\"public_safety\"]","vector_id":"vec_seg_98919_142","created_at":"2026-10-31T04:55:18Z","speaker_name":"David Carey"},{"id":"seg_98919_143","meeting_id":"98919","media_asset_id":"med_98919_hls_771e1c03f8c0eb13","agenda_item_id":null,"speaker_id":"off_roy_sudler_jr","speaker_confidence":0.95,"start_sec":2358.56,"end_sec":2359.49,"text":"Right.","topics_json":"[\"public_safety\"]","vector_id":"vec_seg_98919_143","created_at":"2026-10-31T04:55:18Z","speaker_name":"Roy Sudler, Jr."},{"id":"seg_98919_144","meeting_id":"98919","media_asset_id":"med_98919_hls_771e1c03f8c0eb13","agenda_item_id":null,"speaker_id":"spk_98919_david_carey","speaker_confidence":0.95,"start_sec":2359.49,"end_sec":2359.49,"text":"So I think we're- we have a very good group of new people or younger members, um, that want to do things differently than they've been done in the past and want to move the place forward. Um, and some of that I think is them reaching out to these new members as they come in and helping train them and and, uh, getting them out on the street and and and doing the job that we do.","topics_json":"[\"public_safety\"]","vector_id":"vec_seg_98919_144","created_at":"2026-10-31T04:55:18Z","speaker_name":"David Carey"},{"id":"seg_98919_145","meeting_id":"98919","media_asset_id":"med_98919_hls_771e1c03f8c0eb13","agenda_item_id":null,"speaker_id":"spk_98919_david_carey","speaker_confidence":0.95,"start_sec":2359.49,"end_sec":2388.09,"text":"Um, but like I said, we have ups and downs with that, you know, uh it could be good this month, and not so good next month. It could vary week to week. But uh, I think that's what a lot of it has to do with, is uh the the there's a transition right now of um the younger guys feeling a certain way and wanting to do certain things, and and they're making loose moves to hopefully keep people there and and bring more in as as we move forward.","topics_json":"[\"public_safety\"]","vector_id":"vec_seg_98919_145","created_at":"2026-10-31T04:55:18Z","speaker_name":"David Carey"},{"id":"seg_98919_146","meeting_id":"98919","media_asset_id":"med_98919_hls_771e1c03f8c0eb13","agenda_item_id":null,"speaker_id":"off_roy_sudler_jr","speaker_confidence":0.95,"start_sec":2388.09,"end_sec":2401.89,"text":"Well, thank you. I commend you for how high um boosting and and uh morale in in your um division. Thank you very much for all you do. I yield, Council President. That concludes my questions. I yield.","topics_json":"[\"public_safety\"]","vector_id":"vec_seg_98919_146","created_at":"2026-10-31T04:55:18Z","speaker_name":"Roy Sudler, Jr."},{"id":"seg_98919_147","meeting_id":"98919","media_asset_id":"med_98919_hls_771e1c03f8c0eb13","agenda_item_id":null,"speaker_id":"spk_98919_off_fred_a_neil","speaker_confidence":0.95,"start_sec":2401.89,"end_sec":2411.89,"text":"Thank you, Dr. Sudler. Any other questions? Hearing none, we will go to uh City Manager announcements and is this it?","topics_json":"[]","vector_id":"vec_seg_98919_147","created_at":"2026-10-31T04:55:18Z","speaker_name":null},{"id":"seg_98919_148","meeting_id":"98919","media_asset_id":"med_98919_hls_771e1c03f8c0eb13","agenda_item_id":null,"speaker_id":"spk_98919_city_clerk","speaker_confidence":0.85,"start_sec":2411.89,"end_sec":2414.89,"text":"Okay. We need a motion to approve the report.","topics_json":"[]","vector_id":"vec_seg_98919_148","created_at":"2026-10-31T04:55:18Z","speaker_name":null},{"id":"seg_98919_149","meeting_id":"98919","media_asset_id":"med_98919_hls_771e1c03f8c0eb13","agenda_item_id":null,"speaker_id":"off_fred_a_neil","speaker_confidence":0.95,"start_sec":2414.89,"end_sec":2418.89,"text":"Thank you. And now we accept a motion to receive the report.","topics_json":"[]","vector_id":"vec_seg_98919_149","created_at":"2026-10-31T04:55:18Z","speaker_name":"Fred A. 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Anderson"},{"id":"seg_98919_153","meeting_id":"98919","media_asset_id":"med_98919_hls_771e1c03f8c0eb13","agenda_item_id":null,"speaker_id":"off_julia_m_pillsbury","speaker_confidence":0.95,"start_sec":2428.09,"end_sec":2429.69,"text":"Pillsbury seconds.","topics_json":"[]","vector_id":"vec_seg_98919_153","created_at":"2026-10-31T04:55:18Z","speaker_name":"Julia M. Pillsbury"},{"id":"seg_98919_154","meeting_id":"98919","media_asset_id":"med_98919_hls_771e1c03f8c0eb13","agenda_item_id":null,"speaker_id":"off_fred_a_neil","speaker_confidence":0.95,"start_sec":2429.69,"end_sec":2437.59,"text":"We have a motion and a second. Do we have any further discussion? All in favor, please say aye.","topics_json":"[]","vector_id":"vec_seg_98919_154","created_at":"2026-10-31T04:55:18Z","speaker_name":"Fred A. 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Now we'll go to Acting City Manager Sharon Duca.","topics_json":"[]","vector_id":"vec_seg_98919_156","created_at":"2026-10-31T04:55:18Z","speaker_name":null},{"id":"seg_98919_157","meeting_id":"98919","media_asset_id":"med_98919_hls_771e1c03f8c0eb13","agenda_item_id":null,"speaker_id":"spk_98919_sharon_duca","speaker_confidence":0.95,"start_sec":2453.09,"end_sec":2516.59,"text":"Good evening. Thank you for recognizing me, Council President. Um, I have a couple of announcements. First is a reminder that spring cleanup is scheduled for April 6th to April 17th. If you have any questions regarding this service or your trash and recycling services in general, please contact the Department of Public Works at [contact removed]. Also we have our water distribution system flushing is scheduled for April 12th to May 1st. Any questions can be directed to the Department of Water & Wastewater also at [contact removed]. Uh two project announcements: the railing release railing replacement along Silver Lake Boulevard, which was previously scheduled to start today, has been rescheduled for Wednesday, March 25th due to the weather. And the Persimmon Park Place drainage project has experienced delays due to weather throughout the winter and is approx- approximately 60% complete. That's all I have.","topics_json":"[]","vector_id":"vec_seg_98919_157","created_at":"2026-10-31T04:55:18Z","speaker_name":"Sharon Duca"},{"id":"seg_98919_158","meeting_id":"98919","media_asset_id":"med_98919_hls_771e1c03f8c0eb13","agenda_item_id":null,"speaker_id":"off_fred_a_neil","speaker_confidence":0.95,"start_sec":2516.59,"end_sec":2522.19,"text":"Thank you. Any council announcements? Yes, uh Councilman Boggerty.","topics_json":"[]","vector_id":"vec_seg_98919_158","created_at":"2026-10-31T04:55:18Z","speaker_name":"Fred A. Neil"},{"id":"seg_98919_159","meeting_id":"98919","media_asset_id":"med_98919_hls_771e1c03f8c0eb13","agenda_item_id":null,"speaker_id":"off_andre_m_boggerty","speaker_confidence":0.95,"start_sec":2522.19,"end_sec":2556.09,"text":"Thank you. Um, there's a couple things. The prowl Easter egg hunt is this uh Saturday at May Park. Um, also I wish I hope this gets out, um, and um hope this gets out, but there's a there's a the Delaware Laborers Local 199 is hosting a workforce recruitment open house. It's March 30th at 9:00 a.m. to 11:30. The church that will be hosting it is The Well Church at 1406 uh Forrest Avenue.","topics_json":"[]","vector_id":"vec_seg_98919_159","created_at":"2026-10-31T04:55:18Z","speaker_name":"Andre M. Boggerty"},{"id":"seg_98919_16","meeting_id":"98919","media_asset_id":"med_98919_hls_771e1c03f8c0eb13","agenda_item_id":null,"speaker_id":"off_david_l_anderson","speaker_confidence":1,"start_sec":77,"end_sec":77.9,"text":"Yes.","topics_json":"[]","vector_id":"vec_seg_98919_16","created_at":"2026-10-31T04:55:18Z","speaker_name":"David L. Anderson"},{"id":"seg_98919_160","meeting_id":"98919","media_asset_id":"med_98919_hls_771e1c03f8c0eb13","agenda_item_id":null,"speaker_id":"off_andre_m_boggerty","speaker_confidence":0.95,"start_sec":2556.12,"end_sec":2633.12,"text":"Suite D, Dover, Delaware. Um, if you're not familiar, it's kind of like behind the Dairy Queen. Um, they're going to be hiring and looking for apprentice in the fields of concrete, masonry, scaffold scaffold building, and uh excavation and grading. Um, I- before I hosted, before my church agreed to host it, before The Well Church agreed to host this event, I wanted to make sure that this was an opportunity for individuals who are second- on a second chance, and it is. So if you're on a second chance and, you know, and you're looking for employment and opportunity, one of the ways to change the narrative about your life is economic development and jobs. So um, this is an opportunity. If permitted, I'll pass this along to the city clerk's office to post. Um, again, and out of pure transparency, uh, the church is volunteering its space. There's no income being made. I did not charge. Typically what we would charge, everything was waived. Uh, so I don't want anybody to think that I have done anything um other than want to help give back to the community by helping people become employed. I yield.","topics_json":"[\"business\"]","vector_id":"vec_seg_98919_160","created_at":"2026-10-31T04:55:18Z","speaker_name":"Andre M. Boggerty"},{"id":"seg_98919_161","meeting_id":"98919","media_asset_id":"med_98919_hls_771e1c03f8c0eb13","agenda_item_id":null,"speaker_id":"off_fred_a_neil","speaker_confidence":0.95,"start_sec":2633.12,"end_sec":2636.12,"text":"Any other announcements? Yes, Councilman Lewis.","topics_json":"[]","vector_id":"vec_seg_98919_161","created_at":"2026-10-31T04:55:18Z","speaker_name":"Fred A. Neil"},{"id":"seg_98919_162","meeting_id":"98919","media_asset_id":"med_98919_hls_771e1c03f8c0eb13","agenda_item_id":null,"speaker_id":"off_brian_e_lewis","speaker_confidence":0.95,"start_sec":2636.12,"end_sec":2661.12,"text":"Two things. Uh, this Wednesday, March 25th, there will be a Chamber of Commerce ribbon cutting at Bally's Casino, uh, at the uh, uh, the Kooler Lounge, and on Saturday the 28th, there is a Easter egg extravaganza at the Murphy School from 12:00 noon to 4:00 p.m. That's going to be sponsored by Tracy Palmer Ministries. That's all I have.","topics_json":"[\"business\"]","vector_id":"vec_seg_98919_162","created_at":"2026-10-31T04:55:18Z","speaker_name":"Brian E. Lewis"},{"id":"seg_98919_163","meeting_id":"98919","media_asset_id":"med_98919_hls_771e1c03f8c0eb13","agenda_item_id":null,"speaker_id":"off_fred_a_neil","speaker_confidence":0.9,"start_sec":2661.12,"end_sec":2664.12,"text":"Is that the police site chief? Councilwoman Hall.","topics_json":"[]","vector_id":"vec_seg_98919_163","created_at":"2026-10-31T04:55:18Z","speaker_name":"Fred A. Neil"},{"id":"seg_98919_164","meeting_id":"98919","media_asset_id":"med_98919_hls_771e1c03f8c0eb13","agenda_item_id":null,"speaker_id":"off_donyale_m_hall","speaker_confidence":0.95,"start_sec":2664.12,"end_sec":2692.12,"text":"Thank you for recognizing me, Council President. Um, on the 26th, uh, Tuskegee Airmen Commemoration Day at DSU, um, is taking place from 9:00 a.m. to 2:00 p.m. Just wanted to put that in there. Also, we will be recognizing our Vietnam, uh, veteran, um, memorial, here in Dover at the- at the park. Um, so I just want to invite people to come out to those things. Thank you. I yield.","topics_json":"[]","vector_id":"vec_seg_98919_164","created_at":"2026-10-31T04:55:18Z","speaker_name":"Donyale M. Hall"},{"id":"seg_98919_165","meeting_id":"98919","media_asset_id":"med_98919_hls_771e1c03f8c0eb13","agenda_item_id":null,"speaker_id":"off_fred_a_neil","speaker_confidence":0.95,"start_sec":2692.12,"end_sec":2694.12,"text":"Any other announcements?","topics_json":"[]","vector_id":"vec_seg_98919_165","created_at":"2026-10-31T04:55:18Z","speaker_name":"Fred A. Neil"},{"id":"seg_98919_166","meeting_id":"98919","media_asset_id":"med_98919_hls_771e1c03f8c0eb13","agenda_item_id":null,"speaker_id":"off_andre_m_boggerty","speaker_confidence":0.95,"start_sec":2694.12,"end_sec":2725.12,"text":"Uh, last point, uh, Council President. There- there's a- just so there's no confusion, there's a- there's that Easter egg hunt, which is always great. Um, donate to that, but there's also a second Easter egg hunt as well. Um, on what time is- details on the website. The PAL, PAL is hosting one at May Park. So you have an opportunity to fill your kids' sugar levels at both- both times and at both places. Uh, yeah, thank you.","topics_json":"[]","vector_id":"vec_seg_98919_166","created_at":"2026-10-31T04:55:18Z","speaker_name":"Andre M. Boggerty"},{"id":"seg_98919_167","meeting_id":"98919","media_asset_id":"med_98919_hls_771e1c03f8c0eb13","agenda_item_id":null,"speaker_id":"off_fred_a_neil","speaker_confidence":0.95,"start_sec":2725.12,"end_sec":2726.62,"text":"Yeah, Councilman Anderson.","topics_json":"[]","vector_id":"vec_seg_98919_167","created_at":"2026-10-31T04:55:18Z","speaker_name":"Fred A. 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And I want to call upon uh the various community organizations to uh wh- when the winter comes to restore the original uh vision that had happened with uh Code Purple, cuz one neighborhood should not bear the burden alone. You have fewer problems when things are rotated to different places, uh and and I really hope that uh people will start considering that uh now for the the winter season. Thank you. I yield, Mr. President.","topics_json":"[\"homelessness\",\"code_purple\",\"housing\",\"public_safety\"]","vector_id":"vec_seg_98919_171","created_at":"2026-10-31T04:55:18Z","speaker_name":"David L. Anderson"},{"id":"seg_98919_172","meeting_id":"98919","media_asset_id":"med_98919_hls_771e1c03f8c0eb13","agenda_item_id":null,"speaker_id":"off_fred_a_neil","speaker_confidence":1,"start_sec":2831.14,"end_sec":2834.84,"text":"I see you, Dr. Sudler. Do you have some comment?","topics_json":"[]","vector_id":"vec_seg_98919_172","created_at":"2026-10-31T04:55:18Z","speaker_name":"Fred A. 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Uh I just wanted to, you know, echo whatever else is saying, a happy uh Easter, and we all need to continue to work together to resolve some of the social plagues uh that you know affect and impact our community uh collectively. And I uh concur with Councilman Anderson that not one agency should take the bulk of the burden, that it all should be shared, and I think that working together we will eventually come up with a mutual solution that will benefit us all. I yield, and thank you for recognizing me.","topics_json":"[\"homelessness\",\"code_purple\"]","vector_id":"vec_seg_98919_175","created_at":"2026-10-31T04:55:18Z","speaker_name":"Roy Sudler, Jr."},{"id":"seg_98919_176","meeting_id":"98919","media_asset_id":"med_98919_hls_771e1c03f8c0eb13","agenda_item_id":null,"speaker_id":"off_fred_a_neil","speaker_confidence":1,"start_sec":2870.74,"end_sec":2882.04,"text":"And with that, I wish everybody a happy Passover or a happy Easter, and we will see you back after those holidays. 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Hare contributed extensively through his service on numerous committees and boards, including serving as chairman of the Legislative, Finance, and Administration Committee, chair of the Safety Advisory and Transportation Committee, and as a member of various other city committees, helping to shape policy and strengthen city operations; and Whereas, he further demonstrated his commitment to public service beyond city council through his leadership and inv-","topics_json":"[\"public_safety\"]","vector_id":"vec_seg_98919_30","created_at":"2026-10-31T04:55:18Z","speaker_name":null},{"id":"seg_98919_31","meeting_id":"98919","media_asset_id":"med_98919_hls_771e1c03f8c0eb13","agenda_item_id":null,"speaker_id":"spk_98919_city_clerk","speaker_confidence":0.95,"start_sec":196.62,"end_sec":257.89,"text":"involvement in numerous organizations, including as founder of the Delaware Military Support Organization, chair of the Kent County Heart Ball, and service with Kent County Kent Sussex Industries and the Delaware Industrial Accident Board. 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Kay, I don't know if you want to add a word or two?","topics_json":"[]","vector_id":"vec_seg_98919_32","created_at":"2026-10-31T04:55:18Z","speaker_name":"Fred A. Neil"},{"id":"seg_98919_33","meeting_id":"98919","media_asset_id":"med_98919_hls_771e1c03f8c0eb13","agenda_item_id":null,"speaker_id":"spk_98919_kay_sass","speaker_confidence":0.95,"start_sec":313.56,"end_sec":337.37,"text":"Now, Bill was just I will, I said no, then I will. Mr. Hare was very dedicated to everything that he did. And he was dedicated to you guys as a dad, and as a grandpa, Poppy, right? And he was very proud of all of you for everything that you guys have accomplished yourselves. And I hope you remember that. I'll always remember him very fondly myself. We could butt heads like you would not believe. You probably did your share as well. But, you know, when it came down to it, everything we did was always for the greater good. And particularly, all of the work we did with the military, that was something he took such great pride in. And every year when we did the big fundraiser, it was a lot of hours, it was a lot of fun, it was a lot of work. But that was your dad. So thank you for sharing him with us for so many years.","topics_json":"[]","vector_id":"vec_seg_98919_33","created_at":"2026-10-31T04:55:18Z","speaker_name":"Kay Sass"},{"id":"seg_98919_34","meeting_id":"98919","media_asset_id":"med_98919_hls_771e1c03f8c0eb13","agenda_item_id":null,"speaker_id":"off_fred_a_neil","speaker_confidence":0.95,"start_sec":337.66,"end_sec":343.61,"text":"And Representative Lynn, since we shared the seat, now we share the dais.","topics_json":"[]","vector_id":"vec_seg_98919_34","created_at":"2026-10-31T04:55:18Z","speaker_name":"Fred A. 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And I think he deserves to be recognized.","topics_json":"[]","vector_id":"vec_seg_98919_37","created_at":"2026-10-31T04:55:18Z","speaker_name":null},{"id":"seg_98919_38","meeting_id":"98919","media_asset_id":"med_98919_hls_771e1c03f8c0eb13","agenda_item_id":null,"speaker_id":"spk_98919_audience_member","speaker_confidence":0.8,"start_sec":414.58,"end_sec":416.71,"text":"Thank you, I appreciate it. Thank you so much.","topics_json":"[]","vector_id":"vec_seg_98919_38","created_at":"2026-10-31T04:55:18Z","speaker_name":null},{"id":"seg_98919_39","meeting_id":"98919","media_asset_id":"med_98919_hls_771e1c03f8c0eb13","agenda_item_id":null,"speaker_id":"off_fred_a_neil","speaker_confidence":0.95,"start_sec":417.42,"end_sec":425.45,"text":"This is the traditional key to the city. 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Of course we have a mission statement that we're committed to delivering the highest standard of fire rescue services to the City of Dover and surrounding communities that we service through professionalism, dedication, and the pride of its members to provide life safety and property conservation to everyone.","topics_json":"[\"public_safety\"]","vector_id":"vec_seg_98919_54","created_at":"2026-10-31T04:55:18Z","speaker_name":"David Carey"},{"id":"seg_98919_55","meeting_id":"98919","media_asset_id":"med_98919_hls_771e1c03f8c0eb13","agenda_item_id":null,"speaker_id":"spk_98919_david_carey","speaker_confidence":0.95,"start_sec":558.95,"end_sec":572.38,"text":"On the screen, you'll see these are the 2025 line officers. They're I believe they're the same as 2024. Deputy Chief Peschista, Assistant Chief Bach, Assistant Chief Jim Iannucci, who is my deputy chief this year. And I can't see the other one. 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Uh, approximately 95% of the time was our goal to staff a fire engine within the city, um, and we'll go into further detail in that here in a few minutes of where we actually are. Um, and of course the stipend program, um, we got a well-designed program. We're always looking to make improvements to that to, uh, entice people to volunteer and come in and ride fire apparatus and staff throughout the day and the evening to protect our citizens. We have a live-in program that we've, uh, increased from four live-ins to eight live-ins. Um, this provides staffing at both stations as of right now. Um, there's four at each station. However, we just lost two. When I wrote this, we had eight. Um, we just lost two, uh, one decided to move out and, um, look at other endeavors, he's moving in with his girlfriend, and another one is, uh, the other one is move- is getting ready to go overseas, he's in the military. 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Um, June was a very busy month for us, uh but you as you can see, it it uh it's up and down throughout the year.","topics_json":"[\"public_safety\"]","vector_id":"vec_seg_98919_62","created_at":"2026-10-31T04:55:18Z","speaker_name":null},{"id":"seg_98919_63","meeting_id":"98919","media_asset_id":"med_98919_hls_771e1c03f8c0eb13","agenda_item_id":null,"speaker_id":"spk_98919_presenter","speaker_confidence":1,"start_sec":838.7,"end_sec":863.3,"text":"Call volume by the day of the week. Um, Monday and Wednesday are our high days, uh with I think it says 235 calls over the course of a year on those days. So uh, they were the days we uh kind of focus on making sure we have two rigs staffed, even though um we don't really focus on that, we're always looking to staff two rigs at this point. Um, but they are our busy days of the week.","topics_json":"[\"public_safety\"]","vector_id":"vec_seg_98919_63","created_at":"2026-10-31T04:55:18Z","speaker_name":null},{"id":"seg_98919_64","meeting_id":"98919","media_asset_id":"med_98919_hls_771e1c03f8c0eb13","agenda_item_id":null,"speaker_id":"spk_98919_presenter","speaker_confidence":1,"start_sec":863.6,"end_sec":876.3,"text":"So call volume by hour of the day. Um, our call volumes, you know, normally pick up around 8:00 AM and proceed through until about 9:00 AM 9:00 PM in the evening, um and then they kind of drop off overnight.","topics_json":"[\"public_safety\"]","vector_id":"vec_seg_98919_64","created_at":"2026-10-31T04:55:18Z","speaker_name":null},{"id":"seg_98919_65","meeting_id":"98919","media_asset_id":"med_98919_hls_771e1c03f8c0eb13","agenda_item_id":null,"speaker_id":"spk_98919_presenter","speaker_confidence":1,"start_sec":876.5,"end_sec":902.3,"text":"And this is a new chart that we did this year thanks to Steve. He he was my handyman on this. Um, this shows you the number of hours that our members put in each month for each category: meetings, training, duty crew hours, the incidences that they've responded to over the courses course of those uh months, and then the total number of hours as well. And then at the bottom you can see the average out for each day.","topics_json":"[\"public_safety\"]","vector_id":"vec_seg_98919_65","created_at":"2026-10-31T04:55:18Z","speaker_name":null},{"id":"seg_98919_66","meeting_id":"98919","media_asset_id":"med_98919_hls_771e1c03f8c0eb13","agenda_item_id":null,"speaker_id":"spk_98919_presenter","speaker_confidence":1,"start_sec":902.5,"end_sec":937,"text":"Recruitment. So all of you have heard my speech about recruitment for the past couple years. Uh, we've done a great job of recruiting new members. Um, our department is more diverse now than it's ever been before. Um, and it it's it's created an evolving extension of our community. Um, of course, we're always committed to providing excellent service to those we serve and build a strong team atmosphere uh within our organization. Um, in 2025, we took in 35 new members, and our retention rate was 66%.","topics_json":"[\"public_safety\"]","vector_id":"vec_seg_98919_66","created_at":"2026-10-31T04:55:18Z","speaker_name":null},{"id":"seg_98919_67","meeting_id":"98919","media_asset_id":"med_98919_hls_771e1c03f8c0eb13","agenda_item_id":null,"speaker_id":"spk_98919_presenter","speaker_confidence":1,"start_sec":937.3,"end_sec":983.1,"text":"So Robbins Fire Department needs, uh of course we we always need the city's continued support, um our members, and of course the community, um through recruitment of volunteers. Continued increase operational costs is uh our main need for the fire department. Apparatus maintenance, um so as you we walk through this, you're going to see Ladder 1 is due for replacement here real soon. Um, the last number I heard or was given was uh we spent $70,000 on it in 2025 to keep it in service. Um, that's like 1/3 of our maintenance budget for the year. Training of firefighters, uh firefighter training costs has went up, uh","topics_json":"[\"budget\",\"public_safety\"]","vector_id":"vec_seg_98919_67","created_at":"2026-10-31T04:55:18Z","speaker_name":null},{"id":"seg_98919_68","meeting_id":"98919","media_asset_id":"med_98919_hls_771e1c03f8c0eb13","agenda_item_id":null,"speaker_id":"spk_98919_fire_chief","speaker_confidence":0.9,"start_sec":983.12,"end_sec":1003.43,"text":"Um, the cost of turnout gear has went up that the firefighters wear. And firefighter physicals, um, that has been a great addition to our budgetary needs. Um, we've had 42 members go through the physical program and we have, um, found some medical issues with some of our members that have, um, went elsewhere to get additional help to to fix their problem. Um, so it's it's really helped out so far. Next.","topics_json":"[\"public_safety\",\"budget\"]","vector_id":"vec_seg_98919_68","created_at":"2026-10-31T04:55:18Z","speaker_name":null},{"id":"seg_98919_69","meeting_id":"98919","media_asset_id":"med_98919_hls_771e1c03f8c0eb13","agenda_item_id":null,"speaker_id":"spk_98919_fire_chief","speaker_confidence":0.9,"start_sec":1004.05,"end_sec":1005.35,"text":"Just picture of some guys training.","topics_json":"[\"public_safety\"]","vector_id":"vec_seg_98919_69","created_at":"2026-10-31T04:55:18Z","speaker_name":null},{"id":"seg_98919_7","meeting_id":"98919","media_asset_id":"med_98919_hls_771e1c03f8c0eb13","agenda_item_id":null,"speaker_id":"off_fred_a_neil","speaker_confidence":1,"start_sec":29.8,"end_sec":59.8,"text":"we have the consent agenda. We have before us the consent agenda. Those items on the council agenda which are considered routine, non-controversial, and will be acted upon by a single roll-call vote by the council. There will be no separate discussion of these items unless a member of council so request. In which event, the matter shall be removed from the consent agenda and considered as a separate item. What is the pleasure of council?","topics_json":"[]","vector_id":"vec_seg_98919_7","created_at":"2026-10-31T04:55:18Z","speaker_name":"Fred A. Neil"},{"id":"seg_98919_70","meeting_id":"98919","media_asset_id":"med_98919_hls_771e1c03f8c0eb13","agenda_item_id":null,"speaker_id":"spk_98919_fire_chief","speaker_confidence":0.9,"start_sec":1005.35,"end_sec":1058.7,"text":"Uh so training. So new members, uh they go through a 14-hour orientation. We've been running academy weekends through 2025 where we would bring our new members in after they're voted into the company. And you can see them outside on Saturday and Sunday, uh once a month, doing evolutions, wrapping hydrants, pulling hose, throwing ladders, um doing all the basics we need them to do to start riding the fire truck. Uh so we've had several do that. Uh we've once they complete that, they're enrolled in the uh 176-hour Delaware State Fire School Academy, um which is $1,800 a person as of right now. And when they complete that and graduate, they graduate with their National Pro Board Firefighter 2, Hazmat Awareness Ops, and Vehicle Rescue Technician.","topics_json":"[\"public_safety\",\"budget\"]","vector_id":"vec_seg_98919_70","created_at":"2026-10-31T04:55:18Z","speaker_name":null},{"id":"seg_98919_71","meeting_id":"98919","media_asset_id":"med_98919_hls_771e1c03f8c0eb13","agenda_item_id":null,"speaker_id":"spk_98919_fire_chief","speaker_confidence":0.9,"start_sec":1058.7,"end_sec":1115.46,"text":"So the Delaware State Fire Commission has mandated training for the fire officers, um which went into effect January 1st of this year. Uh Fire Officer 1, which is a 40-hour course, and they have to do a prerequisite of Fire Instructor 1. A Fire Officer 1 individual can ride the front seat of a piece of fire apparatus once they're they're qualified. And a Fire Officer 2 is needed to be the incident commander of of an incident. Um as you can see, we've broken that down to uh what we call a Firefighter 3 in Dover, um which is specific training to our needs, including the state regulations, and also the Dover fire officer, which also includes the state regulations, but also additional training for our needs here in the city.","topics_json":"[\"public_safety\"]","vector_id":"vec_seg_98919_71","created_at":"2026-10-31T04:55:18Z","speaker_name":null},{"id":"seg_98919_72","meeting_id":"98919","media_asset_id":"med_98919_hls_771e1c03f8c0eb13","agenda_item_id":null,"speaker_id":"spk_98919_fire_chief","speaker_confidence":0.9,"start_sec":1115.46,"end_sec":1137.63,"text":"Goals for 2026, uh continue working with staffing at both stations. Um, we're gearing to look into staffing a little bit differently. 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The website that has been recently updated. It's getting ready to go through some more changes here real soon.","topics_json":"[]","vector_id":"vec_seg_98919_94","created_at":"2026-10-31T04:55:18Z","speaker_name":"David Carey"},{"id":"seg_98919_95","meeting_id":"98919","media_asset_id":"med_98919_hls_771e1c03f8c0eb13","agenda_item_id":null,"speaker_id":"spk_98919_david_carey","speaker_confidence":0.9,"start_sec":1344,"end_sec":1362.82,"text":"And of course, as always, we're always here, prepared, ready to go to provide the finest fire protection to the city of Dover and our surrounding communities. And we look forward to a safe and productive year working with all of you, and moving the fire department forward, as well as the city, into the future. Any questions?","topics_json":"[\"public_safety\"]","vector_id":"vec_seg_98919_95","created_at":"2026-10-31T04:55:18Z","speaker_name":"David Carey"},{"id":"seg_98919_96","meeting_id":"98919","media_asset_id":"med_98919_hls_771e1c03f8c0eb13","agenda_item_id":null,"speaker_id":"off_fred_a_neil","speaker_confidence":0.95,"start_sec":1363.34,"end_sec":1366.04,"text":"Questions? Councilman Lewis.","topics_json":"[]","vector_id":"vec_seg_98919_96","created_at":"2026-10-31T04:55:18Z","speaker_name":"Fred A. Neil"},{"id":"seg_98919_97","meeting_id":"98919","media_asset_id":"med_98919_hls_771e1c03f8c0eb13","agenda_item_id":null,"speaker_id":"off_brian_e_lewis","speaker_confidence":0.95,"start_sec":1366.94,"end_sec":1375.2,"text":"Thank you for your report, Chief Carey. I just have a couple questions with respect to You said we need a ladder truck, am I correct? Not an engine, right?","topics_json":"[\"budget\",\"public_safety\"]","vector_id":"vec_seg_98919_97","created_at":"2026-10-31T04:55:18Z","speaker_name":"Brian E. Lewis"},{"id":"seg_98919_98","meeting_id":"98919","media_asset_id":"med_98919_hls_771e1c03f8c0eb13","agenda_item_id":null,"speaker_id":"spk_98919_david_carey","speaker_confidence":0.9,"start_sec":1375.24,"end_sec":1375.7,"text":"Yes, sir.","topics_json":"[\"budget\",\"public_safety\"]","vector_id":"vec_seg_98919_98","created_at":"2026-10-31T04:55:18Z","speaker_name":"David Carey"},{"id":"seg_98919_99","meeting_id":"98919","media_asset_id":"med_98919_hls_771e1c03f8c0eb13","agenda_item_id":null,"speaker_id":"off_brian_e_lewis","speaker_confidence":0.95,"start_sec":1376.37,"end_sec":1393.84,"text":"Ladder truck. Um, would it behoove us to jump on that right away to specifically lock in an interest rate? Because I know when we purchased the previous apparatus, we wanted to, um, kind of expedite it so we could get locked into that specific lower rate. What is your opinion on that?","topics_json":"[\"budget\",\"public_safety\"]","vector_id":"vec_seg_98919_99","created_at":"2026-10-31T04:55:18Z","speaker_name":"Brian E. Lewis"},{"id":"seg_98920_1","meeting_id":"98920","media_asset_id":"med_98920_08fcb9ccec0b875e","agenda_item_id":null,"speaker_id":"off_fred_a_neil","speaker_confidence":0.95,"start_sec":0,"end_sec":21,"text":"Call the Council Committee of the Whole meeting to order uh now of this Tuesday, March 24th, 2026. I'd like to remind the public that the public comments are welcome on any item and permitted at the appropriate time. You have before you this evening's agenda, and I would entertain a motion for its adoption.","topics_json":"[]","vector_id":"vec_seg_98920_1","created_at":"2026-10-31T05:26:17Z","speaker_name":"Fred A. Neil"},{"id":"seg_98920_10","meeting_id":"98920","media_asset_id":"med_98920_08fcb9ccec0b875e","agenda_item_id":null,"speaker_id":"off_andre_m_boggerty","speaker_confidence":0.95,"start_sec":55.4,"end_sec":59.5,"text":"Has been properly moved and seconded. Ready for the question. All those in favor signify by saying aye.","topics_json":"[]","vector_id":"vec_seg_98920_10","created_at":"2026-10-31T05:26:17Z","speaker_name":"Andre M. Boggerty"},{"id":"seg_98920_100","meeting_id":"98920","media_asset_id":"med_98920_08fcb9ccec0b875e","agenda_item_id":null,"speaker_id":"spk_98920_public_commenter","speaker_confidence":0.85,"start_sec":1951.45,"end_sec":1966.05,"text":"I got a suggestion that's going to cost you nothing. I worked at Cooper Trauma and we had people speeding around the area and almost killed a child. They resolved the issue by putting a patrol car out there with no one in it, darkened windows, and a dummy in the seat. And they had a recorder so they caught the-","topics_json":"[\"public_safety\"]","vector_id":"vec_seg_98920_100","created_at":"2026-10-31T05:26:18Z","speaker_name":null},{"id":"seg_98920_101","meeting_id":"98920","media_asset_id":"med_98920_08fcb9ccec0b875e","agenda_item_id":null,"speaker_id":"spk_98920_public_commenter","speaker_confidence":0.85,"start_sec":1966.06,"end_sec":2072.4,"text":"people that were speeding, that's one suggestion. Two, have the police officers at different times when you think this is going to happen out there with radar guns with their motorcycle cops, that's what saved crimes, or with technology, what about a license plate reader? If someone races through the area and it's 25 miles an hour and they're doing 50 or 60, oof, we got funds right there. So, whoever's in the car, whoever owns it, either you give the ticket to the person who was racing or you've got to eat that ticket. $125, $250, it will pay for itself. Just some suggestions, but the unmarked patrol car with the battery recording got a lot of people and saved a lot of lives, and they used to change it up. One week it may be the dummy car, next week it was a patrolman in there. And once they start hitting the people, all the speeders went down. Cuz uh I picked up too many kids off the road that were hit by cars or motorcycles, so take it for what I'm saying.","topics_json":"[\"public_safety\"]","vector_id":"vec_seg_98920_101","created_at":"2026-10-31T05:26:18Z","speaker_name":null},{"id":"seg_98920_102","meeting_id":"98920","media_asset_id":"med_98920_08fcb9ccec0b875e","agenda_item_id":null,"speaker_id":"spk_98920_sure_um_the","speaker_confidence":0.9,"start_sec":2072.4,"end_sec":2082.56,"text":"Thank you for that, and I'm sure um the director will take that as part of his uh study. Chair? Ma'am, the chair recognizes you.","topics_json":"[\"public_safety\"]","vector_id":"vec_seg_98920_102","created_at":"2026-10-31T05:26:18Z","speaker_name":"sure um the"},{"id":"seg_98920_103","meeting_id":"98920","media_asset_id":"med_98920_08fcb9ccec0b875e","agenda_item_id":null,"speaker_id":"spk_98920_bonnie","speaker_confidence":0.95,"start_sec":2092.36,"end_sec":2160.94,"text":"Hi, my name is Bonnie, I live in Dover. I actually live on Kirkwood Street. I have been trying to get someone to take control over the speeding on Kirkwood Street since 2005. We have no signs and it's not just the public, it's also the police that fly down that road. I watched them run the stop signs. I watched them run the buses, and the buses speed down there, too. I watched that. I actually approached a lady one time because she almost hit the back of my grandbaby's handicap bus. I have an issue with that. They're children. If you're in a hurry, take another route. If you're in that much of a hurry, get up a half an hour early, go to work. The issue's just not over in that development. This issue's been going on in Dover since I moved in. I called all the time. I even begged for a police officer to come and sit at the corner to catch them. I never got no answer. But you could ride down on the street and see this cop sitting there eating lunch or sitting there just talking. If you're going to do one area, then you need to do them all, because it's not just in that development, Kirkwood Street's really bad. I watch them run the stop signs. I see it all. But by the time the cops get there, they're gone. I watch people fight over parking spots over the club. People be hitting each other out there fighting on who's going to park where. It's ridiculous on that street. It's been going on since 2005, nothing's been done. My opinion is, if you're going to do one, do all or don't do none.","topics_json":"[\"public_safety\"]","vector_id":"vec_seg_98920_103","created_at":"2026-10-31T05:26:18Z","speaker_name":"Bonnie"},{"id":"seg_98920_104","meeting_id":"98920","media_asset_id":"med_98920_08fcb9ccec0b875e","agenda_item_id":null,"speaker_id":"spk_98920_sure_um_the","speaker_confidence":0.9,"start_sec":2160.94,"end_sec":2162.66,"text":"Thank you. Thank you for that.","topics_json":"[\"public_safety\"]","vector_id":"vec_seg_98920_104","created_at":"2026-10-31T05:26:18Z","speaker_name":"sure um the"},{"id":"seg_98920_105","meeting_id":"98920","media_asset_id":"med_98920_08fcb9ccec0b875e","agenda_item_id":null,"speaker_id":"off_roy_sudler_jr","speaker_confidence":0.95,"start_sec":2162.67,"end_sec":2189.87,"text":"Uh, there's been a motion made and seconded. Um, are you ready for the question? If you be if are Um, I just wanted to restate the motion for the record so everybody would know. Um, the mo- motion was to uh add add add signs to include strictly enforced at the appropriate locations in the area. Um, all those in favor, signify by saying aye.","topics_json":"[\"public_safety\"]","vector_id":"vec_seg_98920_105","created_at":"2026-10-31T05:26:18Z","speaker_name":"Roy Sudler, Jr."},{"id":"seg_98920_106","meeting_id":"98920","media_asset_id":"med_98920_08fcb9ccec0b875e","agenda_item_id":null,"speaker_id":"spk_98920_council_members","speaker_confidence":0.85,"start_sec":2189.87,"end_sec":2191.87,"text":"Aye. Aye.","topics_json":"[]","vector_id":"vec_seg_98920_106","created_at":"2026-10-31T05:26:18Z","speaker_name":null},{"id":"seg_98920_107","meeting_id":"98920","media_asset_id":"med_98920_08fcb9ccec0b875e","agenda_item_id":null,"speaker_id":"off_roy_sudler_jr","speaker_confidence":0.95,"start_sec":2191.87,"end_sec":2195.37,"text":"Any? Like to say the motion carries.","topics_json":"[]","vector_id":"vec_seg_98920_107","created_at":"2026-10-31T05:26:18Z","speaker_name":"Roy Sudler, Jr."},{"id":"seg_98920_108","meeting_id":"98920","media_asset_id":"med_98920_08fcb9ccec0b875e","agenda_item_id":null,"speaker_id":"off_roy_sudler_jr","speaker_confidence":0.95,"start_sec":2195.37,"end_sec":2221.37,"text":"Um, we can move on to number two, which is um which is um uh which is um we are um addressing the speeding concerns and update at Lincoln Park. Uh, this was to continue to be heard by uh Director of Waste Water Water and Waste Water, uh Jason Lyons.","topics_json":"[\"public_safety\"]","vector_id":"vec_seg_98920_108","created_at":"2026-10-31T05:26:18Z","speaker_name":"Roy Sudler, Jr."},{"id":"seg_98920_109","meeting_id":"98920","media_asset_id":"med_98920_08fcb9ccec0b875e","agenda_item_id":null,"speaker_id":"spk_98920_jason_lyon","speaker_confidence":0.95,"start_sec":2221.37,"end_sec":2349.77,"text":"Uh, good evening. For the record, Jason Lyon, Director of Water, Wastewater, and Engineering Services. I do not have a slide deck for this um update, um but I will talk uh about how this is going. So the uh several months ago, there was a request made to evaluate the speeding concerns in the Lincoln Park development. Um, so our team reached out to uh to firms to do a traffic calming study, uh similar to what we were just talking about. Uh, we have gotten an estimate. We have uh an agreement with CTF funds to pay for that uh agreement. And uh we're just waiting for that agreement to be authorized, because we cannot start work on a project with CTF funds until we have the agreement. Uh, so we are patiently waiting on that to to to come. Um, so just kind of to highlight some of the the things that will happen, um Lincoln Street, Bertram Street, Slaughter Street, and Reese Street are the bigger kind of collector roads in that development. Um, so this firm will um will look into uh parking trends, behaviors, accident reports, uh any sort of data that we have collected. They will then look into um the potential for chicanes, medians, something that is kind of built up to stop people from driving. So if you've driven on State Street uh towards the lake, there's a chicane there. Uh, there's also one on Bicentennial Boulevard, so that's an idea. Lincoln Lincoln Street uh for sure is is wide enough to accommodate these sort of traffic calming features. Uh, East Slaughter Street on the other hand is not. Um, but Lincoln Street is quite wide. So um again, we have a we have a game plan, uh just waiting for the funding to come through, and then we can start working on this project. Now this uh evaluation will provide uh recommendations and cost estimates for what would need to be done uh based on the data that they would collect. Be happy to answer any questions.","topics_json":"[\"public_safety\",\"budget\"]","vector_id":"vec_seg_98920_109","created_at":"2026-10-31T05:26:18Z","speaker_name":"Jason Lyon"},{"id":"seg_98920_11","meeting_id":"98920","media_asset_id":"med_98920_08fcb9ccec0b875e","agenda_item_id":null,"speaker_id":"spk_98920_council_members","speaker_confidence":0.95,"start_sec":59.5,"end_sec":60.7,"text":"Aye.","topics_json":"[]","vector_id":"vec_seg_98920_11","created_at":"2026-10-31T05:26:17Z","speaker_name":null},{"id":"seg_98920_110","meeting_id":"98920","media_asset_id":"med_98920_08fcb9ccec0b875e","agenda_item_id":null,"speaker_id":"off_roy_sudler_jr","speaker_confidence":0.95,"start_sec":2349.77,"end_sec":2353.27,"text":"The Chair recognizes Councilwoman Arndt.","topics_json":"[]","vector_id":"vec_seg_98920_110","created_at":"2026-10-31T05:26:18Z","speaker_name":"Roy Sudler, Jr."},{"id":"seg_98920_111","meeting_id":"98920","media_asset_id":"med_98920_08fcb9ccec0b875e","agenda_item_id":null,"speaker_id":"off_tricia_k_arndt","speaker_confidence":0.95,"start_sec":2353.27,"end_sec":2357.47,"text":"Thank you. So how much was the uh what was the cost of the study, and who is the firm?","topics_json":"[\"budget\"]","vector_id":"vec_seg_98920_111","created_at":"2026-10-31T05:26:18Z","speaker_name":"Tricia K. Arndt"},{"id":"seg_98920_112","meeting_id":"98920","media_asset_id":"med_98920_08fcb9ccec0b875e","agenda_item_id":null,"speaker_id":"spk_98920_jason_lyon","speaker_confidence":0.9,"start_sec":2357.47,"end_sec":2359.27,"text":"Um...","topics_json":"[]","vector_id":"vec_seg_98920_112","created_at":"2026-10-31T05:26:18Z","speaker_name":"Jason Lyon"},{"id":"seg_98920_113","meeting_id":"98920","media_asset_id":"med_98920_08fcb9ccec0b875e","agenda_item_id":null,"speaker_id":"spk_98920_city_staff","speaker_confidence":0.9,"start_sec":2359.27,"end_sec":2367.84,"text":"The firm that provided the estimate was RK&K, which is a a firm that does a lot of these studies for DelDOT. The cost was in the neighborhood of $48,000.","topics_json":"[\"budget\",\"infrastructure\"]","vector_id":"vec_seg_98920_113","created_at":"2026-10-31T05:26:18Z","speaker_name":null},{"id":"seg_98920_114","meeting_id":"98920","media_asset_id":"med_98920_08fcb9ccec0b875e","agenda_item_id":null,"speaker_id":"off_tricia_k_arndt","speaker_confidence":0.95,"start_sec":2368.01,"end_sec":2372.78,"text":"$48,000. And the timeline for, like, how long it would take to get that study done?","topics_json":"[\"budget\",\"infrastructure\"]","vector_id":"vec_seg_98920_114","created_at":"2026-10-31T05:26:18Z","speaker_name":"Tricia K. Arndt"},{"id":"seg_98920_115","meeting_id":"98920","media_asset_id":"med_98920_08fcb9ccec0b875e","agenda_item_id":null,"speaker_id":"spk_98920_city_staff","speaker_confidence":0.9,"start_sec":2373.12,"end_sec":2378.58,"text":"Uh, good question. One moment. I apologize, Councilwoman, I don't have that date, but I can get that information for you.","topics_json":"[\"infrastructure\"]","vector_id":"vec_seg_98920_115","created_at":"2026-10-31T05:26:18Z","speaker_name":null},{"id":"seg_98920_116","meeting_id":"98920","media_asset_id":"med_98920_08fcb9ccec0b875e","agenda_item_id":null,"speaker_id":"off_tricia_k_arndt","speaker_confidence":0.95,"start_sec":2379.01,"end_sec":2392,"text":"Just noting that, you know, we throw around do a study, do a study, do a study, and this the amounts for the consultants to do these studies, it's it's substantial, and it it adds up. $48,000 is it's a lot. I'm glad there's CTF funds, and hopefully we'll get some good data. Thank you.","topics_json":"[\"budget\",\"infrastructure\"]","vector_id":"vec_seg_98920_116","created_at":"2026-10-31T05:26:18Z","speaker_name":"Tricia K. Arndt"},{"id":"seg_98920_117","meeting_id":"98920","media_asset_id":"med_98920_08fcb9ccec0b875e","agenda_item_id":null,"speaker_id":"spk_98920_city_staff","speaker_confidence":0.9,"start_sec":2392.08,"end_sec":2392.86,"text":"You're welcome.","topics_json":"[]","vector_id":"vec_seg_98920_117","created_at":"2026-10-31T05:26:18Z","speaker_name":null},{"id":"seg_98920_118","meeting_id":"98920","media_asset_id":"med_98920_08fcb9ccec0b875e","agenda_item_id":null,"speaker_id":"off_andre_m_boggerty","speaker_confidence":0.95,"start_sec":2393.03,"end_sec":2400.74,"text":"Thank you. The chair recognizes, uh, Councilman Dr. Sudler, and then right after that, Councilman th- not Doctor, Councilman Anderson.","topics_json":"[]","vector_id":"vec_seg_98920_118","created_at":"2026-10-31T05:26:18Z","speaker_name":"Andre M. 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Okay, uh uh Ms. Mack is online, so both both civilians uh are present. Thank you all for your attendance and sacrifices um here in the city. Um I move for uh I call Jason Lyons regarding the East Loockerman Street update. Jason Lyons, director of water, wastewater treatment. Did that fly snatch your plate, Tyson?","topics_json":"[\"public_safety\"]","vector_id":"vec_seg_98920_12","created_at":"2026-10-31T05:26:17Z","speaker_name":"Andre M. Boggerty"},{"id":"seg_98920_120","meeting_id":"98920","media_asset_id":"med_98920_08fcb9ccec0b875e","agenda_item_id":null,"speaker_id":"spk_98920_city_staff","speaker_confidence":0.9,"start_sec":2408.62,"end_sec":2445.84,"text":"Uh, Lincoln Park, uh, so not just Lincoln Street.","topics_json":"[\"infrastructure\"]","vector_id":"vec_seg_98920_120","created_at":"2026-10-31T05:26:18Z","speaker_name":null},{"id":"seg_98920_121","meeting_id":"98920","media_asset_id":"med_98920_08fcb9ccec0b875e","agenda_item_id":null,"speaker_id":"off_roy_sudler_jr","speaker_confidence":0.95,"start_sec":2445.93,"end_sec":2448.01,"text":"Gotcha, I'm sorry. Okay, Lincoln Park, yeah.","topics_json":"[\"infrastructure\"]","vector_id":"vec_seg_98920_121","created_at":"2026-10-31T05:26:18Z","speaker_name":"Roy Sudler, Jr."},{"id":"seg_98920_122","meeting_id":"98920","media_asset_id":"med_98920_08fcb9ccec0b875e","agenda_item_id":null,"speaker_id":"spk_98920_city_staff","speaker_confidence":0.9,"start_sec":2448.18,"end_sec":2452.86,"text":"Yeah, uh, so similar to what what we were just talking about, East Loockerman Street, it will evaluate the operational, um-","topics_json":"[\"infrastructure\"]","vector_id":"vec_seg_98920_122","created_at":"2026-10-31T05:26:18Z","speaker_name":null},{"id":"seg_98920_123","meeting_id":"98920","media_asset_id":"med_98920_08fcb9ccec0b875e","agenda_item_id":null,"speaker_id":"off_roy_sudler_jr","speaker_confidence":0.95,"start_sec":2452.94,"end_sec":2453.98,"text":"Traffic calming analysis.","topics_json":"[\"public_safety\",\"infrastructure\"]","vector_id":"vec_seg_98920_123","created_at":"2026-10-31T05:26:18Z","speaker_name":"Roy Sudler, Jr."},{"id":"seg_98920_124","meeting_id":"98920","media_asset_id":"med_98920_08fcb9ccec0b875e","agenda_item_id":null,"speaker_id":"spk_98920_city_staff","speaker_confidence":0.9,"start_sec":2454.07,"end_sec":2455.19,"text":"traffic calming analysis, yeah.","topics_json":"[\"public_safety\",\"infrastructure\"]","vector_id":"vec_seg_98920_124","created_at":"2026-10-31T05:26:18Z","speaker_name":null},{"id":"seg_98920_125","meeting_id":"98920","media_asset_id":"med_98920_08fcb9ccec0b875e","agenda_item_id":null,"speaker_id":"off_roy_sudler_jr","speaker_confidence":0.95,"start_sec":2455.45,"end_sec":2490.6,"text":"Okay. I know that in 2000 and, I think, 16, when we first came on board, we got we had a lot of work done there. Um, a lot of infrastructure, road system infrastructure, new paving, um, asphalt paving, ADA-required sidewalks. I noticed that Alma Street, Slaughter Street, um, did not receive, um, paving, nor did they receive the ADA, um, infrastructure, road infrastructure and curbing, which the which is aligned with the rest of the Lincoln Park area. Do you know why?","topics_json":"[\"infrastructure\"]","vector_id":"vec_seg_98920_125","created_at":"2026-10-31T05:26:18Z","speaker_name":"Roy Sudler, Jr."},{"id":"seg_98920_126","meeting_id":"98920","media_asset_id":"med_98920_08fcb9ccec0b875e","agenda_item_id":null,"speaker_id":"spk_98920_city_staff","speaker_confidence":0.9,"start_sec":2490.86,"end_sec":2539.86,"text":"Um, so my recollection is that the certain roads were picked, um, a lot of them were paid for with CTF funds. So it was requests made through the legislators to get those roads done. To answer your question about why Slaughter Street didn't get ADA improvements-","topics_json":"[\"infrastructure\",\"budget\"]","vector_id":"vec_seg_98920_126","created_at":"2026-10-31T05:26:18Z","speaker_name":null},{"id":"seg_98920_127","meeting_id":"98920","media_asset_id":"med_98920_08fcb9ccec0b875e","agenda_item_id":null,"speaker_id":"off_roy_sudler_jr","speaker_confidence":0.95,"start_sec":2540.04,"end_sec":2540.9,"text":"Nor Alma.","topics_json":"[\"infrastructure\"]","vector_id":"vec_seg_98920_127","created_at":"2026-10-31T05:26:18Z","speaker_name":"Roy Sudler, Jr."},{"id":"seg_98920_128","meeting_id":"98920","media_asset_id":"med_98920_08fcb9ccec0b875e","agenda_item_id":null,"speaker_id":"spk_98920_city_staff","speaker_confidence":0.9,"start_sec":2540.99,"end_sec":2555.53,"text":"Nor Alma, thank you. Um, ADA improvements by way of, you know, sidewalk leveling or curb ramps are done as a requirement when you pave a road completely. So that is why that hasn't been done, um, ahead of time, so to speak. It would be done in conjunction with the road paving.","topics_json":"[\"infrastructure\"]","vector_id":"vec_seg_98920_128","created_at":"2026-10-31T05:26:18Z","speaker_name":null},{"id":"seg_98920_129","meeting_id":"98920","media_asset_id":"med_98920_08fcb9ccec0b875e","agenda_item_id":null,"speaker_id":"off_roy_sudler_jr","speaker_confidence":0.95,"start_sec":2555.88,"end_sec":2555.88,"text":"Uh, right. So I've had a lot of constituents in that area complain about why were they left out, um, when the entire, um, the rest of the community has been repaved with new sidewalks? Um, how do we get that rectified? How can we address that? Since we're already looking at traffic calming measures on on that in that area, um, I would like to see the road done to complete the entire Lincoln Park area so that, um, constituents in that area don't feel left out, or feel like why was that chosen? What was the distinction that didn't allow us to get done versus them getting done? Because the legislators in uh that went through that community was us, City Councilpersons. I do believe you were on Council, ma'am, as well-","topics_json":"[\"infrastructure\",\"public_safety\"]","vector_id":"vec_seg_98920_129","created_at":"2026-10-31T05:26:18Z","speaker_name":"Roy Sudler, Jr."},{"id":"seg_98920_13","meeting_id":"98920","media_asset_id":"med_98920_08fcb9ccec0b875e","agenda_item_id":null,"speaker_id":"spk_98920_jason_lyon","speaker_confidence":0.95,"start_sec":147.2,"end_sec":196.6,"text":"Well, good evening, everyone. Jason Lyon, Director of Water and Wastewater, Engineering Services uh with the City of Dover. Uh so before you this evening was an item that was originally on the January 27th Council Committee of the Whole agenda. We had a snow storm. It was then pushed to the second meeting in February. We had a snow storm, so uh you're lucky enough to get me tonight, I suppose. Uh so um late last year, we had some meetings about the Loockerman Street situation. Um there's a summary of that in front of you this evening. Uh essentially the the direction from this body was to temporarily close down the road and do some investigation on the speeding and what impacts we could alleviate uh through different um traffic calming measures. Uh so in the next slide, please. Uh just to give everyone kind of a refresher on this, the the impacted area is this development. We're going to call south of Division Street um and kind of east of Route 13 behind the Burger King um is a uh is East Loockerman Street, which just for reference, this portion of East Loockerman Street is owned and maintained by the city, not the state. Everything west of 13 is owned by the state. Um so, again, just to recap, the the road going east on on East Loockerman Street into this development is a one way only, only going due east. You cannot come back out uh westbound. Um so, again, this is the the the map of the","topics_json":"[\"public_safety\"]","vector_id":"vec_seg_98920_13","created_at":"2026-10-31T05:26:17Z","speaker_name":"Jason Lyon"},{"id":"seg_98920_130","meeting_id":"98920","media_asset_id":"med_98920_08fcb9ccec0b875e","agenda_item_id":null,"speaker_id":"off_roy_sudler_jr","speaker_confidence":0.95,"start_sec":2555.88,"end_sec":2715.08,"text":"Councilman Neil and I think Councilman Slavin, and I don't know if you were, you weren't there. Okay, I think Ann Marie Townshend and I think Scott Koenig, and we've all walked that community. It was one of the initiatives of Councilman Anderson and I, and we walked the entire community pointing out the areas that needed to be adjusted and addressed. And we were to an understanding that the entire community was going to be new road systems with ADA required. So I'm a little disappointed that somehow we weren't able to fulfill that request totally. So I'm just looking to see what we can do now moving forward to try to catch up where we, you know, weren't able to to address because you know, I'm constantly hearing that. And I'm sure you've been out there towards Slaughter and you can see Slaughter Street definitely need sidewalks. People are constantly speeding, and I also noticed that the speedometer, the digital, is not operating right now, so there as well as in Woodcrest. In Woodcrest I think near Wilson Drive, I'm so glad, must have had too much coffee, I'm sorry. But also Woodcrest, Wilson Drive, over there where we did some road adjustments, I don't know if we put a new pipe system, but where the apartments are, I think that's either Wilson Drive or Woodcrest Drive, in that area there was some asphalt replacement where they did some patching. That patching has now created a mess. I took some pictures with my phone, so what I'll do is I have to send them to you, download it and send you those pictures. But I've got complaints about that, too. I just figured I'd, sorry to dump that on you now, but while it's on my brain, you get a little older, I've got to do it while I can, you know. So, thank you, I yield.","topics_json":"[\"public_safety\",\"infrastructure\"]","vector_id":"vec_seg_98920_130","created_at":"2026-10-31T05:26:18Z","speaker_name":"Roy Sudler, Jr."},{"id":"seg_98920_131","meeting_id":"98920","media_asset_id":"med_98920_08fcb9ccec0b875e","agenda_item_id":null,"speaker_id":"spk_98920_council_chair","speaker_confidence":0.85,"start_sec":2715.08,"end_sec":2718.36,"text":"All right. Thank you, Dr. Sudler. Chair recognizes Councilman Anderson.","topics_json":"[]","vector_id":"vec_seg_98920_131","created_at":"2026-10-31T05:26:18Z","speaker_name":null},{"id":"seg_98920_132","meeting_id":"98920","media_asset_id":"med_98920_08fcb9ccec0b875e","agenda_item_id":null,"speaker_id":"off_david_l_anderson","speaker_confidence":0.95,"start_sec":2718.36,"end_sec":2752.49,"text":"Thank you, Mr. Chairman. It would be quick because Dr. Sudler addressed most of my concerns. I was a little bit curious about if you're going to wait until the study for us to find out what the proposals are for like Slaughter Street. We know where they want to go, Lincoln Street, but Slaughter, it's obviously if you put chicanery like on Lincoln Street, it's going to push people to Slaughter Street because they're parallel. So, pardon me, so I was just curious about that, but-","topics_json":"[\"public_safety\",\"infrastructure\"]","vector_id":"vec_seg_98920_132","created_at":"2026-10-31T05:26:18Z","speaker_name":"David L. Anderson"},{"id":"seg_98920_133","meeting_id":"98920","media_asset_id":"med_98920_08fcb9ccec0b875e","agenda_item_id":null,"speaker_id":"spk_98920_city_staff","speaker_confidence":0.85,"start_sec":2752.49,"end_sec":2752.49,"text":"Yeah, one of the highlighted roads is Slaughter Street to take a look at these traffic calming issues. So I think it behoove us to do a holistic approach to this. Obviously, we don't want to pave it if we're just going to put a chicane in there later. So I think that will be part of what we provide to them as part of this analysis.","topics_json":"[\"public_safety\",\"infrastructure\"]","vector_id":"vec_seg_98920_133","created_at":"2026-10-31T05:26:18Z","speaker_name":null},{"id":"seg_98920_134","meeting_id":"98920","media_asset_id":"med_98920_08fcb9ccec0b875e","agenda_item_id":null,"speaker_id":"spk_98920_jason_lyon","speaker_confidence":0.9,"start_sec":2752.48,"end_sec":2770.11,"text":"Um, the sidewalk issue, as as you stated, Dr. Sudler, I don't believe there is a sidewalk on either side of the street on Slaughter, if memory serves. Um, and and putting sidewalk on a street like that with no sidewalk there originally, it does there is some design work that needs to be kind of ironed out, um, but all that would need to be kind of hashed out throughout this process. Thank you, I yield.","topics_json":"[]","vector_id":"vec_seg_98920_134","created_at":"2026-10-31T05:26:18Z","speaker_name":"Jason Lyon"},{"id":"seg_98920_135","meeting_id":"98920","media_asset_id":"med_98920_08fcb9ccec0b875e","agenda_item_id":null,"speaker_id":"off_andre_m_boggerty","speaker_confidence":0.95,"start_sec":2770.32,"end_sec":2772.1,"text":"Thank you. Councilman?","topics_json":"[]","vector_id":"vec_seg_98920_135","created_at":"2026-10-31T05:26:18Z","speaker_name":"Andre M. Boggerty"},{"id":"seg_98920_136","meeting_id":"98920","media_asset_id":"med_98920_08fcb9ccec0b875e","agenda_item_id":null,"speaker_id":"off_roy_sudler_jr","speaker_confidence":0.95,"start_sec":2772.24,"end_sec":2853.34,"text":"Thank you, Chairman Boggerty, for recognizing me. Um, it does appear that there is some sidewalk on on Slaughter Street, but only only as you get to, um, only only as you get to Irma Street. So, once you get to Irma Street, um, as you go further towards the, you know, hospital on Slaughter Street, um, there's there's no sidewalks at all, um, from my picture when I'm looking at it now. Um, so that definitely needs uh to be addressed. And then also, while we're talking about that area, um, there's still dumping. Even though the sign is there, it says no dumping, what they're doing is not dumping where the sign is, but they're they're they're scooting over in the cul-de-sac, the little corner part, and dumping there. I have pictures of that as as well. Um, so I think we need to put a camera, a camera there. Um, I'm just trying to get it all out now. So if they would try to get a camera there, um, while it's on my mind. But, I just I just want to say it for the record. I yield, thank you.","topics_json":"[\"public_safety\"]","vector_id":"vec_seg_98920_136","created_at":"2026-10-31T05:26:18Z","speaker_name":"Roy Sudler, Jr."},{"id":"seg_98920_137","meeting_id":"98920","media_asset_id":"med_98920_08fcb9ccec0b875e","agenda_item_id":null,"speaker_id":"off_andre_m_boggerty","speaker_confidence":0.95,"start_sec":2854.27,"end_sec":2865.64,"text":"Any more? All right. Thank you. Um, this was no action taken, um, required by committee. So if there be nothing else, I call for the adjournment of the Safety Advisory and Transportation Committee. All those in favor signify by saying aye.","topics_json":"[]","vector_id":"vec_seg_98920_137","created_at":"2026-10-31T05:26:18Z","speaker_name":"Andre M. 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Next slide, please.","topics_json":"[\"public_safety\"]","vector_id":"vec_seg_98920_15","created_at":"2026-10-31T05:26:17Z","speaker_name":null},{"id":"seg_98920_150","meeting_id":"98920","media_asset_id":"med_98920_08fcb9ccec0b875e","agenda_item_id":null,"speaker_id":"spk_98920_jason_lyon","speaker_confidence":0.9,"start_sec":2948.59,"end_sec":2949.09,"text":"Good eve-","topics_json":"[]","vector_id":"vec_seg_98920_150","created_at":"2026-10-31T05:26:18Z","speaker_name":"Jason Lyon"},{"id":"seg_98920_151","meeting_id":"98920","media_asset_id":"med_98920_08fcb9ccec0b875e","agenda_item_id":null,"speaker_id":"spk_98920_council_member","speaker_confidence":0.7,"start_sec":2949.09,"end_sec":2951.19,"text":"Director of Water/Wastewater?","topics_json":"[]","vector_id":"vec_seg_98920_151","created_at":"2026-10-31T05:26:18Z","speaker_name":null},{"id":"seg_98920_152","meeting_id":"98920","media_asset_id":"med_98920_08fcb9ccec0b875e","agenda_item_id":null,"speaker_id":"spk_98920_jason_lyon","speaker_confidence":1,"start_sec":2951.19,"end_sec":2998.39,"text":"Good evening, Chair, fellow council members, and Team Dover. Jason Lyon, City of Dover Director of Water, Wastewater, and Engineering Services. Before you this evening is a project that was budgeted in the FY26 capital improvement plan to improve the flooding issues on Water Street. So, for those of you that have been around the city for a long time, this road is named Water Street aptly, because it floods quite a bit, specifically at the intersection of Governors Avenue and Water Street. I I recall the the weekend that my son was going to be baptized, we had an enormous amount of rain and there was a Tahoe that was parked at that King's Tire or something, and it was up to the rear the the side-view mirror. 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And as part of any project that is of such substance, DelDOT will require that road to be paved that they're adjacent to.","topics_json":"[\"budget\"]","vector_id":"vec_seg_98920_153","created_at":"2026-10-31T05:26:18Z","speaker_name":"Jason Lyon"},{"id":"seg_98920_154","meeting_id":"98920","media_asset_id":"med_98920_08fcb9ccec0b875e","agenda_item_id":null,"speaker_id":"spk_98920_jason_lyon","speaker_confidence":1,"start_sec":3055.69,"end_sec":3096.09,"text":"So the family courthouse, part of their responsibility for their project is to repave Water Street from Governors to their project extent limits, which is just west of of State Street. So when we found out about that, we said, \"Well, we have a water project, a stormwater project, that we want to get done. If we don't do it and they pave it, DelDOT has what's called a five-year moratorium, which means you can't open up the road for five years.\" So, bless you.","topics_json":"[]","vector_id":"vec_seg_98920_154","created_at":"2026-10-31T05:26:18Z","speaker_name":"Jason Lyon"},{"id":"seg_98920_155","meeting_id":"98920","media_asset_id":"med_98920_08fcb9ccec0b875e","agenda_item_id":null,"speaker_id":"spk_98920_jason_lyon","speaker_confidence":1,"start_sec":3096.09,"end_sec":3145.69,"text":"So we coordinated with with the state and said, \"Hey, listen, we really want to get this work done. Can you just hold off on your paving so we don't mess it up?\" And so we've agreed to that. And we are only doing this section of the project from State Street to Governors because of the the rush for the family courthouse, right? So they're they're planning on moving in, I want to say late summer, early fall, so we're really trying to get this project done so we can get it cleaned up for the project and and and be out of the way. The original scope of the entire project spans from State Street to the DART bus stop. We Here's the good news. We were informed about six weeks ago that we we were provided CDS money, which is Congressional Directed Spending money, in to the tune of of $1 million for this project. But we would not be able to do the work for those other two phases to the west until we get that agreement signed, and that takes 18 months minimum from the federal government. So, that is why there's such a discrepancy with the budget that you see and the amount that we're going to spend. But again, we do have some federal funds coming through to do the remainder of the project. It's just going to take a little bit longer. And the phasing of this is actually appropriate because Governors Avenue is a low point. So it's not like we're stopping mid-slope. It it is a good place to kind of break off the project, and we kind of make the the state happy. So that's kind of the background story on that.","topics_json":"[\"budget\"]","vector_id":"vec_seg_98920_155","created_at":"2026-10-31T05:26:18Z","speaker_name":"Jason Lyon"},{"id":"seg_98920_156","meeting_id":"98920","media_asset_id":"med_98920_08fcb9ccec0b875e","agenda_item_id":null,"speaker_id":"spk_98920_city_staff","speaker_confidence":0.9,"start_sec":3145.7,"end_sec":3257.09,"text":"We provided um this out through our procurement team. This this bid was uh researched through the Office of Supplier Diversity. Uh we've received eight bids on this project, which is very high. Uh so we're very happy that we're getting that kind of competitive number uh with our bidding. Um you'll notice on the committee action form there is a a fair span of prices from our low price of $530,000 roughly to uh just over a million. So you know, some we've talked about this often, some contractors have a lot of projects going on, so they're just going to throw a lot of money at this and say hopefully it sticks. Others need work and and so they've provided a a fair price. So uh, in any event it's good for the city when we get multiple bids. Um, A-Del Construction uh had a responsive low bid of $531,916. Uh we've looked at their submission, they met all the requirements. They've done lots of work for us in the past um and we feel comfortable with awarding them this bid. Um and I just want to reiterate, this is for just this section of the project. Uh the remaining portion will be uh bid out after the agreement with the federal government is complete. 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It's a very inefficient or not not extremely costly solution to this problem. We have this infrastructure already, so it's a matter of putting it out there. So this would be what it would look like. This is what the the traveler would see as they're driving just past Burger King.","topics_json":"[\"public_safety\",\"budget\"]","vector_id":"vec_seg_98920_16","created_at":"2026-10-31T05:26:17Z","speaker_name":null},{"id":"seg_98920_160","meeting_id":"98920","media_asset_id":"med_98920_08fcb9ccec0b875e","agenda_item_id":null,"speaker_id":"off_andre_m_boggerty","speaker_confidence":0.9,"start_sec":3291.12,"end_sec":3302.6,"text":"Thank you. Um my question is which which is going to be asked about the bidding process, was there could you just go through the language of the bidding process that we always ask?","topics_json":"[\"business\"]","vector_id":"vec_seg_98920_160","created_at":"2026-10-31T05:26:18Z","speaker_name":"Andre M. 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So, individuals, it was announced, and people could have came, and smaller vendors could have contacted A-Del, etc. All of that took place. Correct. Thank you. I yield. Thank you. Councilwoman Arndt followed by Doc Sudler. Thank you for recognizing me. So, just so I understand, this the state would have to do the paving within the limit of of the project, right? With where the where the courthouse is being constructed. So, we're going to do this infra-","topics_json":"[\"business\"]","vector_id":"vec_seg_98920_161","created_at":"2026-10-31T05:26:18Z","speaker_name":null},{"id":"seg_98920_162","meeting_id":"98920","media_asset_id":"med_98920_08fcb9ccec0b875e","agenda_item_id":null,"speaker_id":"off_tricia_k_arndt","speaker_confidence":0.95,"start_sec":3342.3,"end_sec":3357.9,"text":"infrastructure project? Does the state then pick up the tab for finishing the project, so to speak, doing the paving overlay over the project after we've dug up the street and improved the infrastructure? So there's a cost savings in that the state is going to pay for the paving?","topics_json":"[]","vector_id":"vec_seg_98920_162","created_at":"2026-10-31T05:26:18Z","speaker_name":"Tricia K. Arndt"},{"id":"seg_98920_163","meeting_id":"98920","media_asset_id":"med_98920_08fcb9ccec0b875e","agenda_item_id":null,"speaker_id":"spk_98920_jason_lyon","speaker_confidence":0.95,"start_sec":3358.8,"end_sec":3362.6,"text":"We are negotiating with them right now on that. I can't make any promises.","topics_json":"[]","vector_id":"vec_seg_98920_163","created_at":"2026-10-31T05:26:18Z","speaker_name":"Jason Lyon"},{"id":"seg_98920_164","meeting_id":"98920","media_asset_id":"med_98920_08fcb9ccec0b875e","agenda_item_id":null,"speaker_id":"off_tricia_k_arndt","speaker_confidence":0.95,"start_sec":3363,"end_sec":3365.3,"text":"I mean it seems like they should. They're going to do it anyway.","topics_json":"[]","vector_id":"vec_seg_98920_164","created_at":"2026-10-31T05:26:18Z","speaker_name":"Tricia K. 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Does the county ever give us any money for major projects that affect their constituents as well?","topics_json":"[\"budget\"]","vector_id":"vec_seg_98920_168","created_at":"2026-10-31T05:26:18Z","speaker_name":"Roy Sudler, Jr."},{"id":"seg_98920_169","meeting_id":"98920","media_asset_id":"med_98920_08fcb9ccec0b875e","agenda_item_id":null,"speaker_id":"spk_98920_jason_lyon","speaker_confidence":0.95,"start_sec":3397.1,"end_sec":3463.2,"text":"Uh great question. Well, I can tell you that we've had coordinated efforts with the county with regard to waste water projects where there's been some shared funding uh because they accept our sewage and treat it. I'm not aware of any sort of um cost sharing with the county with regard to infrastructure or road paving. I I've not been familiar with anything like that.","topics_json":"[\"budget\"]","vector_id":"vec_seg_98920_169","created_at":"2026-10-31T05:26:18Z","speaker_name":"Jason Lyon"},{"id":"seg_98920_17","meeting_id":"98920","media_asset_id":"med_98920_08fcb9ccec0b875e","agenda_item_id":null,"speaker_id":"spk_98920_city_staff","speaker_confidence":0.9,"start_sec":353.01,"end_sec":393.21,"text":"Next slide is really just about how are we going to handle next steps. So at the meeting in December, we talked about putting up this this blockade temporarily to do some investigation. Our team has reached out to some engineers to get cost estimates on traffic calming proposals on this road. As we talked at that meeting, maybe there's an idea of putting chicanes up. We are not allowed to put speed bumps or speed humps per our code, so that's an idea. So we have received an estimate on that. We would need to provide enough notification to the residents about putting this closure down. Typically, in line with DelDOT regulations, it's 10 business days. So, you know, we can easily do that with a notification board, and we wouldn't need to put it on the east side of the development because they can't go that way anyway. So it really just needs to be on the side that you're going towards the east. And then of course, the next kind of direction that we need as a as a team is, you know, how do we secure funding to do this investigation? Because it's not cheap, we don't have it budgeted. And finally, I'd like to get some direction from this body on whether or not we should notify the entire development, which would be my recommendation, or just the folks that are on Loockerman Street. I am open for any questions, and hopefully we can start a dialogue. Thank you.","topics_json":"[\"budget\",\"public_safety\"]","vector_id":"vec_seg_98920_17","created_at":"2026-10-31T05:26:17Z","speaker_name":null},{"id":"seg_98920_170","meeting_id":"98920","media_asset_id":"med_98920_08fcb9ccec0b875e","agenda_item_id":null,"speaker_id":"off_roy_sudler_jr","speaker_confidence":0.95,"start_sec":3463.9,"end_sec":3496.8,"text":"I would request that I know I don't need for I know for you I don't need to put it in a motion, because typically when I just ask you, you you do that anyway. Um so I would request that you explore uh what are some of the cost sharing of um infrastructural um, you know, maintenance benefits that we can do, because we're also going to be I'm also going to be inquiring about that when we go to do the budget as a as a means of trying to trim the fat off the budget. So just giving you a heads up. Thank you.","topics_json":"[\"budget\"]","vector_id":"vec_seg_98920_170","created_at":"2026-10-31T05:26:18Z","speaker_name":"Roy Sudler, Jr."},{"id":"seg_98920_171","meeting_id":"98920","media_asset_id":"med_98920_08fcb9ccec0b875e","agenda_item_id":null,"speaker_id":"spk_98920_jason_lyon","speaker_confidence":0.9,"start_sec":3496.9,"end_sec":3497.9,"text":"Thank you.","topics_json":"[]","vector_id":"vec_seg_98920_171","created_at":"2026-10-31T05:26:18Z","speaker_name":"Jason Lyon"},{"id":"seg_98920_172","meeting_id":"98920","media_asset_id":"med_98920_08fcb9ccec0b875e","agenda_item_id":null,"speaker_id":"off_fred_a_neil","speaker_confidence":0.9,"start_sec":3498.7,"end_sec":3504.3,"text":"Any other members with questions? Dr. Sudler, would you make the motion?","topics_json":"[]","vector_id":"vec_seg_98920_172","created_at":"2026-10-31T05:26:18Z","speaker_name":"Fred A. Neil"},{"id":"seg_98920_173","meeting_id":"98920","media_asset_id":"med_98920_08fcb9ccec0b875e","agenda_item_id":null,"speaker_id":"off_roy_sudler_jr","speaker_confidence":0.95,"start_sec":3504.5,"end_sec":3508,"text":"Thank you for recognizing me again. I move to accept staff recommendation.","topics_json":"[]","vector_id":"vec_seg_98920_173","created_at":"2026-10-31T05:26:18Z","speaker_name":"Roy Sudler, Jr."},{"id":"seg_98920_174","meeting_id":"98920","media_asset_id":"med_98920_08fcb9ccec0b875e","agenda_item_id":null,"speaker_id":"off_fred_a_neil","speaker_confidence":0.95,"start_sec":3508.7,"end_sec":3520.9,"text":"It's been moved to accept staff recommendation. It's been properly seconded. Dr. Sudler moved it. Mr. Chervak seconded for the uh minutes purposes. Any discussion? All right, Madam Clerk, please call the roll since this is a substantial expenditure.","topics_json":"[]","vector_id":"vec_seg_98920_174","created_at":"2026-10-31T05:26:18Z","speaker_name":"Fred A. Neil"},{"id":"seg_98920_175","meeting_id":"98920","media_asset_id":"med_98920_08fcb9ccec0b875e","agenda_item_id":null,"speaker_id":"spk_98920_city_clerk","speaker_confidence":0.95,"start_sec":3521.6,"end_sec":3523,"text":"Ms. Hall?","topics_json":"[]","vector_id":"vec_seg_98920_175","created_at":"2026-10-31T05:26:18Z","speaker_name":null},{"id":"seg_98920_176","meeting_id":"98920","media_asset_id":"med_98920_08fcb9ccec0b875e","agenda_item_id":null,"speaker_id":"off_donyale_m_hall","speaker_confidence":0.95,"start_sec":3523.1,"end_sec":3524,"text":"Yes.","topics_json":"[]","vector_id":"vec_seg_98920_176","created_at":"2026-10-31T05:26:18Z","speaker_name":"Donyale M. Hall"},{"id":"seg_98920_177","meeting_id":"98920","media_asset_id":"med_98920_08fcb9ccec0b875e","agenda_item_id":null,"speaker_id":"spk_98920_city_clerk","speaker_confidence":0.95,"start_sec":3524.4,"end_sec":3525.5,"text":"Dr. Pillsbury?","topics_json":"[]","vector_id":"vec_seg_98920_177","created_at":"2026-10-31T05:26:18Z","speaker_name":null},{"id":"seg_98920_178","meeting_id":"98920","media_asset_id":"med_98920_08fcb9ccec0b875e","agenda_item_id":null,"speaker_id":"off_andre_m_boggerty","speaker_confidence":0.95,"start_sec":3525.6,"end_sec":3526.5,"text":"Yes.","topics_json":"[]","vector_id":"vec_seg_98920_178","created_at":"2026-10-31T05:26:18Z","speaker_name":"Andre M. Boggerty"},{"id":"seg_98920_179","meeting_id":"98920","media_asset_id":"med_98920_08fcb9ccec0b875e","agenda_item_id":null,"speaker_id":"spk_98920_city_clerk","speaker_confidence":0.95,"start_sec":3526.9,"end_sec":3532.4,"text":"Oh, skipped you. I got you, Mr. Boggerty. Dr. Pillsbury?","topics_json":"[]","vector_id":"vec_seg_98920_179","created_at":"2026-10-31T05:26:18Z","speaker_name":null},{"id":"seg_98920_18","meeting_id":"98920","media_asset_id":"med_98920_08fcb9ccec0b875e","agenda_item_id":null,"speaker_id":"off_andre_m_boggerty","speaker_confidence":0.95,"start_sec":393.21,"end_sec":404.21,"text":"Thank you. Um, you've heard the presentation, very well done. Are there any questions from members of Council? Uh Council, the chair recognizes Council President.","topics_json":"[]","vector_id":"vec_seg_98920_18","created_at":"2026-10-31T05:26:17Z","speaker_name":"Andre M. Boggerty"},{"id":"seg_98920_180","meeting_id":"98920","media_asset_id":"med_98920_08fcb9ccec0b875e","agenda_item_id":null,"speaker_id":"off_julia_m_pillsbury","speaker_confidence":0.95,"start_sec":3532.5,"end_sec":3533.4,"text":"Yes.","topics_json":"[]","vector_id":"vec_seg_98920_180","created_at":"2026-10-31T05:26:18Z","speaker_name":"Julia M. Pillsbury"},{"id":"seg_98920_181","meeting_id":"98920","media_asset_id":"med_98920_08fcb9ccec0b875e","agenda_item_id":null,"speaker_id":"spk_98920_city_clerk","speaker_confidence":0.95,"start_sec":3535.6,"end_sec":3537.1,"text":"Ms. Arndt?","topics_json":"[]","vector_id":"vec_seg_98920_181","created_at":"2026-10-31T05:26:18Z","speaker_name":null},{"id":"seg_98920_182","meeting_id":"98920","media_asset_id":"med_98920_08fcb9ccec0b875e","agenda_item_id":null,"speaker_id":"off_tricia_k_arndt","speaker_confidence":0.95,"start_sec":3537.3,"end_sec":3538.2,"text":"Yes.","topics_json":"[]","vector_id":"vec_seg_98920_182","created_at":"2026-10-31T05:26:18Z","speaker_name":"Tricia K. Arndt"},{"id":"seg_98920_183","meeting_id":"98920","media_asset_id":"med_98920_08fcb9ccec0b875e","agenda_item_id":null,"speaker_id":"off_gerald_l_rocha_sr","speaker_confidence":0.95,"start_sec":3538.91,"end_sec":3545.41,"text":"building? Mr. Kopp, welcome. Eddie Kopp, uh Chief Code Enforcement Officer.","topics_json":"[\"housing\",\"public_safety\"]","vector_id":"vec_seg_98920_183","created_at":"2026-10-31T05:26:18Z","speaker_name":"Gerald L. Rocha, Sr."},{"id":"seg_98920_184","meeting_id":"98920","media_asset_id":"med_98920_08fcb9ccec0b875e","agenda_item_id":null,"speaker_id":"spk_98920_eddie_kopp","speaker_confidence":0.95,"start_sec":3545.41,"end_sec":3599.71,"text":"Good evening. Uh before you is um an ordinance to amend Chapter 22, the Dangerous Building. Um on this, to sum this up, the the amendment uh does some text clarifications in there and changes the wording from building inspector to code official to be aligned with the ICC codes. Um the building inspector by default in our current code refers to the director of planning and inspections, and the director of planning and inspections does not enforce the dangerous building code or condemned buildings, it's the code official who does it. So that's why those amendments are in there. Um in addition, there's some grammar corrections, and there's one section in there to where it was just one long run-on uh sentence under the section for demolition, and it was broken up to clarify it and be more um user-friendly for the constituents. I'll take any questions.","topics_json":"[\"housing\",\"public_safety\",\"zoning\"]","vector_id":"vec_seg_98920_184","created_at":"2026-10-31T05:26:18Z","speaker_name":"Eddie Kopp"},{"id":"seg_98920_185","meeting_id":"98920","media_asset_id":"med_98920_08fcb9ccec0b875e","agenda_item_id":null,"speaker_id":"off_gerald_l_rocha_sr","speaker_confidence":0.95,"start_sec":3599.71,"end_sec":3606.11,"text":"Questions? Councilwoman Arndt.","topics_json":"[]","vector_id":"vec_seg_98920_185","created_at":"2026-10-31T05:26:18Z","speaker_name":"Gerald L. Rocha, Sr."},{"id":"seg_98920_186","meeting_id":"98920","media_asset_id":"med_98920_08fcb9ccec0b875e","agenda_item_id":null,"speaker_id":"off_tricia_k_arndt","speaker_confidence":0.95,"start_sec":3606.11,"end_sec":3617.31,"text":"Thank you. Um it looks great. I mean it it reads better. It the um amendments are very simple and straightforward, so with that, I I'd like to make a motion to approve staff recommendation.","topics_json":"[\"housing\",\"public_safety\"]","vector_id":"vec_seg_98920_186","created_at":"2026-10-31T05:26:18Z","speaker_name":"Tricia K. Arndt"},{"id":"seg_98920_187","meeting_id":"98920","media_asset_id":"med_98920_08fcb9ccec0b875e","agenda_item_id":null,"speaker_id":"off_roy_sudler_jr","speaker_confidence":0.9,"start_sec":3617.31,"end_sec":3619.11,"text":"Second by Sudler.","topics_json":"[]","vector_id":"vec_seg_98920_187","created_at":"2026-10-31T05:26:18Z","speaker_name":"Roy Sudler, Jr."},{"id":"seg_98920_188","meeting_id":"98920","media_asset_id":"med_98920_08fcb9ccec0b875e","agenda_item_id":null,"speaker_id":"off_gerald_l_rocha_sr","speaker_confidence":0.95,"start_sec":3619.11,"end_sec":3636.31,"text":"Been moved by Councilwoman Arndt, seconded by Dr. Sudler to approve the staff recommendation and uh basically um forward it with a positive recommendation to City Council. All right, discussion? All right. All those in favor?","topics_json":"[\"housing\",\"public_safety\"]","vector_id":"vec_seg_98920_188","created_at":"2026-10-31T05:26:18Z","speaker_name":"Gerald L. Rocha, Sr."},{"id":"seg_98920_189","meeting_id":"98920","media_asset_id":"med_98920_08fcb9ccec0b875e","agenda_item_id":null,"speaker_id":"off_tricia_k_arndt","speaker_confidence":0.9,"start_sec":3636.31,"end_sec":3638.71,"text":"Aye.","topics_json":"[]","vector_id":"vec_seg_98920_189","created_at":"2026-10-31T05:26:18Z","speaker_name":"Tricia K. Arndt"},{"id":"seg_98920_19","meeting_id":"98920","media_asset_id":"med_98920_08fcb9ccec0b875e","agenda_item_id":null,"speaker_id":"off_fred_a_neil","speaker_confidence":0.95,"start_sec":404.21,"end_sec":559.71,"text":"Yeah, thank you, um Mr. Chairman. I going back to the same thing that is happening throughout this entire city. We have the next concern is Lincoln Park speeding, and then there's speeding on Denneys Road, then there's speeding on the intersection, there's another speeding on another intersection. And I think maybe we have to revisit uh the speed cameras. Now actually a lot of the speeding that we study, in other words when we put the uh lines down and check this actual speeding, it doesn't go to the speeding limit. But the fact is if we could have a flying squad in terms of of cameras that we move into an area at the time that speeding is is a factor and to see if we can actually catch speeders at that particular point so that they know that they're going to pay a penalty if they're going to speed in these areas. Speeding is caused by people who just don't care. They they just going to do what they're going to do and these cars are so fast, uh you could be very comfortable in a car that's going 40-50 miles an hour in in a in a 25 or 35 mile zone. So I mean basically that's one of the problems we have, but it's happening in different areas of the city and we're getting continual complaints. So I'm just bringing that up again as a possible solution of having that uh camera. Now there are certain things that have to happen. One, when that speeder goes through, it has to be processed very quickly otherwise it kind of dies. And I think that if we bring back the ordinances on it, it's conceivable that we can bring this under control a lot faster than if we do something else because this is one area that has to happen. It's we'll be talking about uh the the Lincoln Park area, but we have it all over the city and we have it on a continual basis. And I'm just throwing that out because I think we have to revisit this as a point to basically control what's happening with speeding and taking money out of the pockets of the people who are doing it. If you're going over a certain limit it's going to cost them. And we can move these uh cameras or barriers all over the place in order to make sure that they're paying it. So I'm throwing that out for for that purpose and I yield Mr. Chairman.","topics_json":"[\"public_safety\"]","vector_id":"vec_seg_98920_19","created_at":"2026-10-31T05:26:17Z","speaker_name":"Fred A. Neil"},{"id":"seg_98920_190","meeting_id":"98920","media_asset_id":"med_98920_08fcb9ccec0b875e","agenda_item_id":null,"speaker_id":"off_gerald_l_rocha_sr","speaker_confidence":0.95,"start_sec":3638.71,"end_sec":3651.41,"text":"Any opposed? Well, I should have asked if there's any public comment. Okay. Any opposed? Seeing none, the motion is adopted.","topics_json":"[]","vector_id":"vec_seg_98920_190","created_at":"2026-10-31T05:26:18Z","speaker_name":"Gerald L. Rocha, Sr."},{"id":"seg_98920_191","meeting_id":"98920","media_asset_id":"med_98920_08fcb9ccec0b875e","agenda_item_id":null,"speaker_id":"off_gerald_l_rocha_sr","speaker_confidence":0.95,"start_sec":3651.41,"end_sec":3670.71,"text":"That brings us to the third item, which is proposed ordinance 20- 23-04, amending building code uh, 22, building and building uh regulations, Article 12, vacant buildings. Mr. Kopp, it's back to you.","topics_json":"[\"housing\",\"zoning\",\"public_safety\"]","vector_id":"vec_seg_98920_191","created_at":"2026-10-31T05:26:18Z","speaker_name":"Gerald L. Rocha, Sr."},{"id":"seg_98920_192","meeting_id":"98920","media_asset_id":"med_98920_08fcb9ccec0b875e","agenda_item_id":null,"speaker_id":"spk_98920_eddie_kopp","speaker_confidence":0.95,"start_sec":3670.71,"end_sec":3735.51,"text":"Good evening again. Before you um is Chapter 22 uh in reference to vacant buildings. Our vacant building ordinance is a little outdated and in need of some fine-tuning. Um the pro- the proposed amendments are to clarify some language in there. Um what we're dealing with is there's a lot of interpretation issues when it comes to vacant buildings. So some of the things that I I'm proposing in here is to establish clear deadlines and standards within the vacant building ordinance uh and to clarify some languages within the vacant building ordinance. Also within the vacant building ordinance, um right now the vacant building ordinance is geared towards residential properties. Uh there are several properties, um specifically downtown, that are not being captured under the vacant building ordinance um that are just dwindling away, and it's my opinion that it's unfair to our um residents that the commercial businesses are not being held to the same standard. Um therefore, I am recommending that","topics_json":"[\"housing\",\"business\",\"zoning\"]","vector_id":"vec_seg_98920_192","created_at":"2026-10-31T05:26:18Z","speaker_name":"Eddie Kopp"},{"id":"seg_98920_193","meeting_id":"98920","media_asset_id":"med_98920_08fcb9ccec0b875e","agenda_item_id":null,"speaker_id":"spk_98920_eddie_kopp","speaker_confidence":0.95,"start_sec":3735.51,"end_sec":3797.31,"text":"that we change language to update that, um, accordingly. Uh, some of the things, the, uh, basic numbers that I've ran prior to this meeting, and this is 5 minutes before walking into the meeting, is we had 22 cases that are older than 5 years old. Or, uh, we had two cases that date back to the year 2012. These are vacant building cases. Um, as of today we have 145 vacant building cases that are active, and just food for thought, last year we conducted 1,700 inspections, um, from January 1st to 12/31/2025 in reference to vacant buildings. Um, so the vacant buildings, it's an ongoing problem. I believe with the amendments to the ordinance, that 100 145 active vacant building cases would more likely double, um, which doesn't say that the buildings aren't vacant. We have about 300 vacant buildings throughout the city, but we're only addressing 145 of them. And that is why I am proposing the amendments with this ordinance, and I'm open to any questions.","topics_json":"[\"housing\",\"zoning\",\"business\"]","vector_id":"vec_seg_98920_193","created_at":"2026-10-31T05:26:18Z","speaker_name":"Eddie Kopp"},{"id":"seg_98920_194","meeting_id":"98920","media_asset_id":"med_98920_08fcb9ccec0b875e","agenda_item_id":null,"speaker_id":"off_andre_m_boggerty","speaker_confidence":0.8,"start_sec":3797.51,"end_sec":3800.51,"text":"Yeah. Questions? Dr. Sudler.","topics_json":"[]","vector_id":"vec_seg_98920_194","created_at":"2026-10-31T05:26:18Z","speaker_name":"Andre M. Boggerty"},{"id":"seg_98920_195","meeting_id":"98920","media_asset_id":"med_98920_08fcb9ccec0b875e","agenda_item_id":null,"speaker_id":"off_roy_sudler_jr","speaker_confidence":0.95,"start_sec":3800.61,"end_sec":3804.01,"text":"Thank you. I yield to the Council President.","topics_json":"[]","vector_id":"vec_seg_98920_195","created_at":"2026-10-31T05:26:18Z","speaker_name":"Roy Sudler, Jr."},{"id":"seg_98920_196","meeting_id":"98920","media_asset_id":"med_98920_08fcb9ccec0b875e","agenda_item_id":null,"speaker_id":"off_fred_a_neil","speaker_confidence":0.95,"start_sec":3804.11,"end_sec":3892.81,"text":"Oh, okay. Thank you, um, Councilman Sudler. Uh, on numbers, uh, page, line 178, number six, uh, on page 28, a vacant first floor storefront is otherwise that in an otherwise occupied building in the Downtown Development District may be exempt, provided the owner demonstrates they're trying to sell or lease the property during the vacancy period. That's kind of difficult, isn't it? Um, basically, it's occupied in part, and the only thing that's open is the is is, uh, the the the storefront area. Uh, now, you have, uh, designation in there the building must provide adequate adver- advertisement, approved by the the Design Committee of the Downtown Partnership. This exemption is granted for a maximum of 2 years. That That's a tough one, Eddie. Um, you've done a great job on both of these ordinances, and the building is not really empty because the presum- I'm presuming that there's apartments upstairs that are being occupied. So we're try- trying to force the the building to become occupied or the rest. Is is there any other wording that we can have in there, or is that going to get us into trouble at some point?","topics_json":"[\"housing\",\"business\",\"zoning\"]","vector_id":"vec_seg_98920_196","created_at":"2026-10-31T05:26:18Z","speaker_name":"Fred A. Neil"},{"id":"seg_98920_197","meeting_id":"98920","media_asset_id":"med_98920_08fcb9ccec0b875e","agenda_item_id":null,"speaker_id":"spk_98920_eddie_kopp","speaker_confidence":0.95,"start_sec":3892.91,"end_sec":3932.11,"text":"If If I could explain that. Um, a lot of these properties, and particularly downtown with what you described, is the upstairs apartment is being rented or is, um, is full, right? But the downstairs vacant. So, although it's one building, it's two separate, um, issues here. And what what we're having, if you look just right out on Loockerman Street, there's vagrants, there's broken windows, there's shot-up windows, there's trash, there's debris, all happening on the downstairs. But, at the same time, the upstairs is rented. So, the problem is, and it comes down to perception, right? People don't","topics_json":"[\"housing\",\"business\",\"public_safety\",\"zoning\"]","vector_id":"vec_seg_98920_197","created_at":"2026-10-31T05:26:18Z","speaker_name":"Eddie Kopp"},{"id":"seg_98920_198","meeting_id":"98920","media_asset_id":"med_98920_08fcb9ccec0b875e","agenda_item_id":null,"speaker_id":"spk_98920_code_enforcement_staff","speaker_confidence":0.85,"start_sec":3932.12,"end_sec":3969.79,"text":"know that the upstairs is rented. We know because we we looked through there. We conduct inspections, we investigate. But the general public has no clue that anyone lives upstairs, and the perception is we're allowing this to happen. Um The big concern and a lot of feedback I'm getting is why are you addressing me when we have downtown vacant, and a good amount of Loockerman Street is sitting empty right now. And um as a code official, I feel I'm doing an injustice to everyone to allow that to continue, and that's why I'm presenting that forward. I understand it's it's difficult, but the idea behind this is we're holding them to the same standard that we're holding residential properties. And that's why um that's why we presented this, and I'm open to change any wording that or make any amendment that council sees fit.","topics_json":"[\"housing\",\"zoning\",\"business\"]","vector_id":"vec_seg_98920_198","created_at":"2026-10-31T05:26:18Z","speaker_name":null},{"id":"seg_98920_199","meeting_id":"98920","media_asset_id":"med_98920_08fcb9ccec0b875e","agenda_item_id":null,"speaker_id":"off_fred_a_neil","speaker_confidence":0.95,"start_sec":3969.79,"end_sec":4011.52,"text":"I'm questioning whether or not um we can run into an attorney saying, \"My building's occupied. That building is occupied. My client's building's occupied.\" And so, I I'm bringing it up because I don't want future problems. Do I agree with what you said? Absolutely. Uh, we need we need to have that refreshed. We have need to have activity in in those buildings.","topics_json":"[\"housing\",\"business\"]","vector_id":"vec_seg_98920_199","created_at":"2026-10-31T05:26:18Z","speaker_name":"Fred A. Neil"},{"id":"seg_98920_2","meeting_id":"98920","media_asset_id":"med_98920_08fcb9ccec0b875e","agenda_item_id":null,"speaker_id":"off_julia_m_pillsbury","speaker_confidence":0.9,"start_sec":21,"end_sec":22.8,"text":"Move to adopt the agenda.","topics_json":"[]","vector_id":"vec_seg_98920_2","created_at":"2026-10-31T05:26:17Z","speaker_name":"Julia M. Pillsbury"},{"id":"seg_98920_20","meeting_id":"98920","media_asset_id":"med_98920_08fcb9ccec0b875e","agenda_item_id":null,"speaker_id":"off_andre_m_boggerty","speaker_confidence":0.95,"start_sec":560.01,"end_sec":568.71,"text":"Thank you. The chair recognizes uh Councilwoman Arndt and then followed by Councilman Dr. Sudler.","topics_json":"[]","vector_id":"vec_seg_98920_20","created_at":"2026-10-31T05:26:17Z","speaker_name":"Andre M. Boggerty"},{"id":"seg_98920_200","meeting_id":"98920","media_asset_id":"med_98920_08fcb9ccec0b875e","agenda_item_id":null,"speaker_id":"off_fred_a_neil","speaker_confidence":0.95,"start_sec":4011.52,"end_sec":4081.96,"text":"We need either having boarded up in such a way that it's handled that we can't have people come in, destroy it from the inside and out. But it's a point that I'm just bringing up to suggest that we could have a legal problem, and maybe have to have our attorney to take a look at it whether you can have an occupied building that is vacant at the same time, and what what the status is. So I'm running into the same problems that you presented to us with the revenue or the revenue bill that we hope to get back on to track. But it is just a question mark that I'm bringing up at this point that you have an occupied building with the vacancy that is uh uh that uh is considered uh empty and enforceability sale. That's all. I yield.","topics_json":"[\"housing\",\"business\"]","vector_id":"vec_seg_98920_200","created_at":"2026-10-31T05:26:18Z","speaker_name":"Fred A. Neil"},{"id":"seg_98920_201","meeting_id":"98920","media_asset_id":"med_98920_08fcb9ccec0b875e","agenda_item_id":null,"speaker_id":"spk_98920_code_enforcement_staff","speaker_confidence":0.85,"start_sec":4081.96,"end_sec":4093.05,"text":"If If I could, um I think just clarifying it and um rewording it to include \"unit\" or \"space\" um to have a clear distinction within the definition um would help clarify this.","topics_json":"[\"housing\",\"zoning\"]","vector_id":"vec_seg_98920_201","created_at":"2026-10-31T05:26:18Z","speaker_name":null},{"id":"seg_98920_202","meeting_id":"98920","media_asset_id":"med_98920_08fcb9ccec0b875e","agenda_item_id":null,"speaker_id":"off_fred_a_neil","speaker_confidence":0.95,"start_sec":4093.05,"end_sec":4100.01,"text":"Yeah, I would I would suggest that we do so that we don't run into, as I've been doing, some attorney coming in and saying, \"Wait a minute. This is not a not a vacant building.\" I yield.","topics_json":"[\"housing\",\"business\"]","vector_id":"vec_seg_98920_202","created_at":"2026-10-31T05:26:18Z","speaker_name":"Fred A. Neil"},{"id":"seg_98920_203","meeting_id":"98920","media_asset_id":"med_98920_08fcb9ccec0b875e","agenda_item_id":null,"speaker_id":"off_david_l_anderson","speaker_confidence":0.95,"start_sec":4100.01,"end_sec":4102.36,"text":"Thank you. Uh Dr. Sudler?","topics_json":"[]","vector_id":"vec_seg_98920_203","created_at":"2026-10-31T05:26:18Z","speaker_name":"David L. Anderson"},{"id":"seg_98920_204","meeting_id":"98920","media_asset_id":"med_98920_08fcb9ccec0b875e","agenda_item_id":null,"speaker_id":"off_roy_sudler_jr","speaker_confidence":0.95,"start_sec":4102.36,"end_sec":4128.73,"text":"Thank you, uh, Chairman Anderson for recognizing me. Uh just looking at, you know, some information um in regards to um some of the thresholds for occupancy. Um here it says uh for insurance purposes, a commercial building is often legally considered vacant if less than 31% of its total square footage is occupied. Maybe maybe um looking into uh addressing that concern of the Council President's and, I'm sure, of all of us and others, um maybe we could look at","topics_json":"[\"business\",\"housing\",\"zoning\"]","vector_id":"vec_seg_98920_204","created_at":"2026-10-31T05:26:18Z","speaker_name":"Roy Sudler, Jr."},{"id":"seg_98920_205","meeting_id":"98920","media_asset_id":"med_98920_08fcb9ccec0b875e","agenda_item_id":null,"speaker_id":"off_andre_m_boggerty","speaker_confidence":0.95,"start_sec":4128.73,"end_sec":4215.32,"text":"how that might be a good remedy for addressing of that matter, a certain percentage. Um, but overall, I think your approach, I support your position on the matter. Um, I think that, um, in all fairness and equity, that I think that's a that's a great approach. Um, I think that will also help, too, for those who own businesses, um, downtown, it's like a mixed use, right? So you have residential, and then you have commercial. I think that will encourage them to get the entire building functional and occupied rather than saying, \"Well, there's really no big rush because I'm getting income from upstairs, which is sustainable because I can get at least maybe I have like three units upstairs, that's at least four grand, you know, these days, you know.\" Um, so therefore, you know, I can afford for downstairs not to be, you know, occupied. And, but it's a bad look","topics_json":"[\"business\",\"housing\",\"zoning\"]","vector_id":"vec_seg_98920_205","created_at":"2026-10-31T05:26:18Z","speaker_name":"Andre M. Boggerty"},{"id":"seg_98920_206","meeting_id":"98920","media_asset_id":"med_98920_08fcb9ccec0b875e","agenda_item_id":null,"speaker_id":"off_andre_m_boggerty","speaker_confidence":0.95,"start_sec":4215.57,"end_sec":4248.47,"text":"for Downtown Dover and for what we're trying to do. So you have my 100% support. Um, I would just um urge that you um get with our Council President to see how he wants to proceed in regards to um a legal advice or a legal opinion on the matter, and I would leave that up to Council President, um especially since you brought that up. But I support um your amendments, and I thank you for the hard work that you put into this. It's it's very thoughtful and time-consuming, and it has not gone unnoticed. I yield. Thank you.","topics_json":"[\"business\",\"housing\",\"zoning\"]","vector_id":"vec_seg_98920_206","created_at":"2026-10-31T05:26:18Z","speaker_name":"Andre M. Boggerty"},{"id":"seg_98920_207","meeting_id":"98920","media_asset_id":"med_98920_08fcb9ccec0b875e","agenda_item_id":null,"speaker_id":"spk_98920_chunk22_speaker","speaker_confidence":0.7,"start_sec":4249.39,"end_sec":4253.13,"text":"Did you hear, Council President? Um, do you have anything to add, Fred Neil?","topics_json":"[]","vector_id":"vec_seg_98920_207","created_at":"2026-10-31T05:26:18Z","speaker_name":null},{"id":"seg_98920_208","meeting_id":"98920","media_asset_id":"med_98920_08fcb9ccec0b875e","agenda_item_id":null,"speaker_id":"off_fred_a_neil","speaker_confidence":0.95,"start_sec":4253.63,"end_sec":4273.82,"text":"I I'm going to request that it be delayed, uh postponed, and take a second look at it uh and bring it back to us as quickly as possible with with looking at the point that can it be empty? Can we force an owner to sell under those circumstances? And have counsel take a look at that uh to see whether we can, what the wording can be. Yes, Coun- Council-","topics_json":"[\"business\",\"housing\",\"zoning\"]","vector_id":"vec_seg_98920_208","created_at":"2026-10-31T05:26:18Z","speaker_name":"Fred A. Neil"},{"id":"seg_98920_209","meeting_id":"98920","media_asset_id":"med_98920_08fcb9ccec0b875e","agenda_item_id":null,"speaker_id":"off_david_l_anderson","speaker_confidence":0.95,"start_sec":4274.07,"end_sec":4302.32,"text":"Now, now uh before we do that, um I believe it was that it that is similar to what we have already, that is marketed for sale or lease. So um they can, as long as if they have if they can keep it, we're not forcing the sale. But we just want it actively marketed, um whether they want to lease it or to a client, tenant, or sell it, whatever their option is. Just want to make sure that that's correct, right?","topics_json":"[\"business\",\"housing\",\"zoning\"]","vector_id":"vec_seg_98920_209","created_at":"2026-10-31T05:26:18Z","speaker_name":"David L. Anderson"},{"id":"seg_98920_21","meeting_id":"98920","media_asset_id":"med_98920_08fcb9ccec0b875e","agenda_item_id":null,"speaker_id":"off_tricia_k_arndt","speaker_confidence":0.95,"start_sec":568.71,"end_sec":589.81,"text":"Thank you. So I agree with you neighborhood should be notified, not just the folks on East Loockerman, um because the entire neighborhood is is util- utilizing that street to access the neighborhood and their homes, I'm quite certain. Um I think to Council President's point with speeding throughout the city, I think it's a dangerous precedent to close one street because of speeding, because","topics_json":"[\"public_safety\"]","vector_id":"vec_seg_98920_21","created_at":"2026-10-31T05:26:17Z","speaker_name":"Tricia K. Arndt"},{"id":"seg_98920_210","meeting_id":"98920","media_asset_id":"med_98920_08fcb9ccec0b875e","agenda_item_id":null,"speaker_id":"spk_98920_chunk22_speaker","speaker_confidence":0.7,"start_sec":4302.74,"end_sec":4313.21,"text":"Yeah, and just for clarifications, uh what we're discussing is an exemption. So, this is what would be um considered to grant an exemption from the vacant building uh registration fee.","topics_json":"[\"business\",\"housing\",\"zoning\"]","vector_id":"vec_seg_98920_210","created_at":"2026-10-31T05:26:18Z","speaker_name":null},{"id":"seg_98920_211","meeting_id":"98920","media_asset_id":"med_98920_08fcb9ccec0b875e","agenda_item_id":null,"speaker_id":"off_david_l_anderson","speaker_confidence":0.95,"start_sec":4313.79,"end_sec":4320.6,"text":"So you wouldn't get have to pay the fee, so you would considered it's sort of like the exempt it's clarifying the existing exemption.","topics_json":"[\"business\",\"housing\",\"zoning\"]","vector_id":"vec_seg_98920_211","created_at":"2026-10-31T05:26:18Z","speaker_name":"David L. Anderson"},{"id":"seg_98920_212","meeting_id":"98920","media_asset_id":"med_98920_08fcb9ccec0b875e","agenda_item_id":null,"speaker_id":"spk_98920_chunk22_speaker","speaker_confidence":0.7,"start_sec":4320.77,"end_sec":4322.1,"text":"Correct. Yes, thank you.","topics_json":"[\"business\",\"housing\",\"zoning\"]","vector_id":"vec_seg_98920_212","created_at":"2026-10-31T05:26:18Z","speaker_name":null},{"id":"seg_98920_213","meeting_id":"98920","media_asset_id":"med_98920_08fcb9ccec0b875e","agenda_item_id":null,"speaker_id":"off_david_l_anderson","speaker_confidence":0.95,"start_sec":4322.18,"end_sec":4325.34,"text":"I just I just wanted to make sure that we're on the same page on that.","topics_json":"[\"business\",\"housing\",\"zoning\"]","vector_id":"vec_seg_98920_213","created_at":"2026-10-31T05:26:18Z","speaker_name":"David L. Anderson"},{"id":"seg_98920_214","meeting_id":"98920","media_asset_id":"med_98920_08fcb9ccec0b875e","agenda_item_id":null,"speaker_id":"off_david_l_anderson","speaker_confidence":1,"start_sec":4325.33,"end_sec":4331.09,"text":"All right. Okay, uh before I entertain a motion, I had uh was going to recognize uh Councilwoman Arndt.","topics_json":"[]","vector_id":"vec_seg_98920_214","created_at":"2026-10-31T05:26:18Z","speaker_name":"David L. Anderson"},{"id":"seg_98920_215","meeting_id":"98920","media_asset_id":"med_98920_08fcb9ccec0b875e","agenda_item_id":null,"speaker_id":"off_tricia_k_arndt","speaker_confidence":1,"start_sec":4331.09,"end_sec":4421.86,"text":"Thank you. So I was just going to express support for the ordinance as well and and the points that you had made, especially the downtown buildings where the apartments rented so they're making enough to cover the mortgage or the rent or what have you, so they're not actively marketing those down first floor spaces. With respect to Councilman Neil's concerns, other municipalities are doing similar, and I was thinking that Smyrna had an ordinance that addressed these types of situations. So I just pulled it up. I can't find that part specifically, but the exemption, the way it's worded in the Smyrna ordinance, which you probably already looked at it in your research, but it says the building is if it's being actively marketed by a licensed real estate broker or owner who is regularly advertising the property in newspapers circulated in the town of Smyrna. So they got really specific with, you know, you better be advertising, you better be working hard to get this property sold, as opposed to how it is currently in your ordinance with approved by the design committee of the Downtown Dover Partnership. I served on the design committee, their focus primarily on what the sign would look like. And I think maybe having a licensed real estate broker or actively marketing it would be more impactful than having the design committee review the sign in the window. So, thank you. I yield.","topics_json":"[\"business\",\"zoning\"]","vector_id":"vec_seg_98920_215","created_at":"2026-10-31T05:26:18Z","speaker_name":"Tricia K. Arndt"},{"id":"seg_98920_216","meeting_id":"98920","media_asset_id":"med_98920_08fcb9ccec0b875e","agenda_item_id":null,"speaker_id":"off_david_l_anderson","speaker_confidence":1,"start_sec":4421.86,"end_sec":4472.89,"text":"Thank Thank you uh. Yeah, I I do think that newspapers sort of out-dated that that anything that an MLS is probably more, you know, impactful as well as other forms of marketing, so I I like actively marketing, but in the area, so we can figure that out exactly what that means. Uh Dr. Sudler might have a comment, uh but then I'll unless somebody else has something, I'll entertain the motion. Dr. Sudler?","topics_json":"[\"business\",\"zoning\"]","vector_id":"vec_seg_98920_216","created_at":"2026-10-31T05:26:18Z","speaker_name":"David L. Anderson"},{"id":"seg_98920_217","meeting_id":"98920","media_asset_id":"med_98920_08fcb9ccec0b875e","agenda_item_id":null,"speaker_id":"off_roy_sudler_jr","speaker_confidence":1,"start_sec":4472.89,"end_sec":4495.57,"text":"Thank Thank you, Chairman Anderson, for recognizing me. I will be brief. Um I was just wondering if maybe we could um adopt this ordinance um with with the understanding that that segment would be revisited um to echo the sentiment of uh Councilman Council President Neil and Councilwoman Arndt uh which I concur. So I was wondering um I think that is somewhat permissible, but it's it's been it's been a minute. I'm not quite sure.","topics_json":"[\"business\",\"zoning\"]","vector_id":"vec_seg_98920_217","created_at":"2026-10-31T05:26:18Z","speaker_name":"Roy Sudler, Jr."},{"id":"seg_98920_218","meeting_id":"98920","media_asset_id":"med_98920_08fcb9ccec0b875e","agenda_item_id":null,"speaker_id":"off_david_l_anderson","speaker_confidence":1,"start_sec":4495.57,"end_sec":4520.52,"text":"Um you you could uh you could make a motion that it be advanced uh on the condition of amendments uh reflecting the sentiment of expressed by uh Council President Neil and Councilwoman Arndt. Um that would be uh appropriate. That's one way to do it. And the other way would be to uh just uh defer for a couple weeks and and uh see what the amendments look like. It's it's up to the committee how the committee wishes to do it.","topics_json":"[\"business\",\"zoning\"]","vector_id":"vec_seg_98920_218","created_at":"2026-10-31T05:26:18Z","speaker_name":"David L. 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Looking at this picture, and with these two red square triangle signs here, if we had a sign that said \"no through traffic, residents only,\" something to indicate that through traffic is not welcome, something to indicate, you know, reminders of the speed limit. There's just nothing here that is telling people that we, you know, speeding is a problem and we're watching you and we want you to slow down. Those two red signs there, I mean, I never learned about those in driver's ed. I don't even know what they're supposed to signify.","topics_json":"[\"public_safety\"]","vector_id":"vec_seg_98920_22","created_at":"2026-10-31T05:26:17Z","speaker_name":"Tricia K. Arndt"},{"id":"seg_98920_220","meeting_id":"98920","media_asset_id":"med_98920_08fcb9ccec0b875e","agenda_item_id":null,"speaker_id":"off_gerald_l_rocha_sr","speaker_confidence":0.95,"start_sec":4521.94,"end_sec":4552.58,"text":"deferring it a couple of weeks. Um we never know what may transpire or take place, and I think that, when we deal with codes um, especially of this magnitude, and this is going to be uh an eye opener for those who are going to be impacted uh with the commercial uh buildings/mixed use, um I think it's probably best to do it now than later. That's just my view, but I will go with the majority of the consensus of council and the committee as a whole. All right. Thank you.","topics_json":"[\"zoning\",\"business\"]","vector_id":"vec_seg_98920_220","created_at":"2026-10-31T05:26:18Z","speaker_name":"Gerald L. Rocha, Sr."},{"id":"seg_98920_221","meeting_id":"98920","media_asset_id":"med_98920_08fcb9ccec0b875e","agenda_item_id":null,"speaker_id":"off_david_l_anderson","speaker_confidence":0.95,"start_sec":4553,"end_sec":4558.58,"text":"Thank you. I have some comments, but before I do, do any members of the public have any comments?","topics_json":"[]","vector_id":"vec_seg_98920_221","created_at":"2026-10-31T05:26:18Z","speaker_name":"David L. Anderson"},{"id":"seg_98920_222","meeting_id":"98920","media_asset_id":"med_98920_08fcb9ccec0b875e","agenda_item_id":null,"speaker_id":"off_david_l_anderson","speaker_confidence":0.95,"start_sec":4559.6,"end_sec":4567.42,"text":"Okay. Just, just checking. Wanted to make sure that we have that opportunity there.","topics_json":"[]","vector_id":"vec_seg_98920_222","created_at":"2026-10-31T05:26:18Z","speaker_name":"David L. Anderson"},{"id":"seg_98920_223","meeting_id":"98920","media_asset_id":"med_98920_08fcb9ccec0b875e","agenda_item_id":null,"speaker_id":"off_david_l_anderson","speaker_confidence":0.95,"start_sec":4568.16,"end_sec":4622.5,"text":"I I want to thank you for the work that you've done, and I I find it uh uh I find both of these ordinances I think you've done due diligence with the proposals. I I think, obviously, um um it's fair to address the policy aspect when it comes to, because uh vacant buildings is a very touchy issue.","topics_json":"[\"housing\",\"zoning\"]","vector_id":"vec_seg_98920_223","created_at":"2026-10-31T05:26:18Z","speaker_name":"David L. Anderson"},{"id":"seg_98920_224","meeting_id":"98920","media_asset_id":"med_98920_08fcb9ccec0b875e","agenda_item_id":null,"speaker_id":"off_david_l_anderson","speaker_confidence":0.95,"start_sec":4622.5,"end_sec":4635.1,"text":"Mm.","topics_json":"[]","vector_id":"vec_seg_98920_224","created_at":"2026-10-31T05:26:18Z","speaker_name":"David L. Anderson"},{"id":"seg_98920_225","meeting_id":"98920","media_asset_id":"med_98920_08fcb9ccec0b875e","agenda_item_id":null,"speaker_id":"off_david_l_anderson","speaker_confidence":0.95,"start_sec":4635.5,"end_sec":4651.52,"text":"Uh have you heard any input from um in dialogue permitted, um have you heard any input from the DDP, or the folks downtown, the merchants, or anything? Because this has been put out for a little bit. I have not.","topics_json":"[\"business\"]","vector_id":"vec_seg_98920_225","created_at":"2026-10-31T05:26:18Z","speaker_name":"David L. Anderson"},{"id":"seg_98920_226","meeting_id":"98920","media_asset_id":"med_98920_08fcb9ccec0b875e","agenda_item_id":null,"speaker_id":"spk_98920_chunk24_speaker","speaker_confidence":0.8,"start_sec":4651.68,"end_sec":4655.5,"text":"Not directly um, not that I'm aware of, not.","topics_json":"[]","vector_id":"vec_seg_98920_226","created_at":"2026-10-31T05:26:18Z","speaker_name":null},{"id":"seg_98920_227","meeting_id":"98920","media_asset_id":"med_98920_08fcb9ccec0b875e","agenda_item_id":null,"speaker_id":"off_david_l_anderson","speaker_confidence":0.95,"start_sec":4655.5,"end_sec":4656.4,"text":"All right. Thank you.","topics_json":"[]","vector_id":"vec_seg_98920_227","created_at":"2026-10-31T05:26:18Z","speaker_name":"David L. 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Anderson"},{"id":"seg_98920_23","meeting_id":"98920","media_asset_id":"med_98920_08fcb9ccec0b875e","agenda_item_id":null,"speaker_id":"off_tricia_k_arndt","speaker_confidence":0.95,"start_sec":682.32,"end_sec":721.22,"text":"So just I don't think we've exercised all of our options at this point. In terms of traffic calming, that street itself is so narrow that it it's traffic calming in and of itself, or at least it should be, with the exception of the few people that are speeding through the neighborhood. We've done the speed studies and it showed that speeding was I'm not going to quote a number, because I don't remember. It was quite some time ago that we had that study done, but it did not indicate that speeding was such that we had to take aggressive action. So those are those are my recommendations. 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Rocha, Sr."},{"id":"seg_98920_245","meeting_id":"98920","media_asset_id":"med_98920_08fcb9ccec0b875e","agenda_item_id":null,"speaker_id":"off_fred_a_neil","speaker_confidence":0.95,"start_sec":4902.21,"end_sec":4903.78,"text":"That's a motion.","topics_json":"[\"housing\",\"zoning\"]","vector_id":"vec_seg_98920_245","created_at":"2026-10-31T05:26:18Z","speaker_name":"Fred A. 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That's in two weeks, right?","topics_json":"[\"housing\",\"zoning\"]","vector_id":"vec_seg_98920_248","created_at":"2026-10-31T05:26:18Z","speaker_name":"Roy Sudler, Jr."},{"id":"seg_98920_249","meeting_id":"98920","media_asset_id":"med_98920_08fcb9ccec0b875e","agenda_item_id":null,"speaker_id":"off_roy_sudler_jr","speaker_confidence":0.95,"start_sec":4915.15,"end_sec":4916.89,"text":"Okay, I'm good with that.","topics_json":"[]","vector_id":"vec_seg_98920_249","created_at":"2026-10-31T05:26:18Z","speaker_name":"Roy Sudler, Jr."},{"id":"seg_98920_25","meeting_id":"98920","media_asset_id":"med_98920_08fcb9ccec0b875e","agenda_item_id":null,"speaker_id":"off_roy_sudler_jr","speaker_confidence":0.95,"start_sec":723.92,"end_sec":757.42,"text":"Thank you. Thank you Chairman Boggerty for recognizing me. My question's in reference to speed cushions. Have we explored the option of speed cushions, which sounds like would be permissible. 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It's it's that's what I heard, right?","topics_json":"[]","vector_id":"vec_seg_98920_250","created_at":"2026-10-31T05:26:18Z","speaker_name":"Roy Sudler, Jr."},{"id":"seg_98920_251","meeting_id":"98920","media_asset_id":"med_98920_08fcb9ccec0b875e","agenda_item_id":null,"speaker_id":"off_julia_m_pillsbury","speaker_confidence":0.9,"start_sec":4919.68,"end_sec":4920.12,"text":"Yes.","topics_json":"[]","vector_id":"vec_seg_98920_251","created_at":"2026-10-31T05:26:18Z","speaker_name":"Julia M. Pillsbury"},{"id":"seg_98920_252","meeting_id":"98920","media_asset_id":"med_98920_08fcb9ccec0b875e","agenda_item_id":null,"speaker_id":"off_roy_sudler_jr","speaker_confidence":0.95,"start_sec":4920.12,"end_sec":4921.92,"text":"Okay. Dr. Pillsbury, you're recognized.","topics_json":"[]","vector_id":"vec_seg_98920_252","created_at":"2026-10-31T05:26:18Z","speaker_name":"Roy Sudler, Jr."},{"id":"seg_98920_253","meeting_id":"98920","media_asset_id":"med_98920_08fcb9ccec0b875e","agenda_item_id":null,"speaker_id":"off_julia_m_pillsbury","speaker_confidence":0.95,"start_sec":4921.92,"end_sec":4931.61,"text":"I would also suggest that the attorney review it in light of, um, Councilman President, um, Neil's suggestion. Yes. Um, that we have them review it before it comes back.","topics_json":"[]","vector_id":"vec_seg_98920_253","created_at":"2026-10-31T05:26:18Z","speaker_name":"Julia M. 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Is there any other business for the Legislative, Finance, and Administration Committee?","topics_json":"[]","vector_id":"vec_seg_98920_266","created_at":"2026-10-31T05:26:18Z","speaker_name":"Roy Sudler, Jr."},{"id":"seg_98920_267","meeting_id":"98920","media_asset_id":"med_98920_08fcb9ccec0b875e","agenda_item_id":null,"speaker_id":"spk_98920_mrs_skellington","speaker_confidence":0.85,"start_sec":5049.72,"end_sec":5050.28,"text":"I have something to say.","topics_json":"[]","vector_id":"vec_seg_98920_267","created_at":"2026-10-31T05:26:18Z","speaker_name":"Mrs. Skellington"},{"id":"seg_98920_268","meeting_id":"98920","media_asset_id":"med_98920_08fcb9ccec0b875e","agenda_item_id":null,"speaker_id":"off_roy_sudler_jr","speaker_confidence":0.95,"start_sec":5050.28,"end_sec":5052.83,"text":"Okay. Come on, come on down, Ms. Skilling, Mrs. Skellington?","topics_json":"[]","vector_id":"vec_seg_98920_268","created_at":"2026-10-31T05:26:18Z","speaker_name":"Roy Sudler, Jr."},{"id":"seg_98920_269","meeting_id":"98920","media_asset_id":"med_98920_08fcb9ccec0b875e","agenda_item_id":null,"speaker_id":"spk_98920_mrs_skellington","speaker_confidence":0.9,"start_sec":5052.83,"end_sec":5054.07,"text":"I'm getting old.","topics_json":"[]","vector_id":"vec_seg_98920_269","created_at":"2026-10-31T05:26:18Z","speaker_name":"Mrs. Skellington"},{"id":"seg_98920_27","meeting_id":"98920","media_asset_id":"med_98920_08fcb9ccec0b875e","agenda_item_id":null,"speaker_id":"off_roy_sudler_jr","speaker_confidence":0.95,"start_sec":762.32,"end_sec":784.92,"text":"Well, what I was reading was what is permissible in the City of Dover that's close to speed humps. 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Don't know what time. I'm not up all night to watch people walk the street. I did find out there is a bunch of homeless people that walk that street all hours of the night, and there's a church that does homeless for men. Is there any possible way that we can get a camera put out there? I mean, there is one on Kirkwood Street, but I don't know how far that camera twists around to catch...","topics_json":"[\"public_safety\",\"homelessness\"]","vector_id":"vec_seg_98920_270","created_at":"2026-10-31T05:26:18Z","speaker_name":"Mrs. Skellington"},{"id":"seg_98920_271","meeting_id":"98920","media_asset_id":"med_98920_08fcb9ccec0b875e","agenda_item_id":null,"speaker_id":"spk_98920_public_commenter","speaker_confidence":0.9,"start_sec":5111.76,"end_sec":5113.65,"text":"that. 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However, if we uh choose to expand that camera network, um which which is uh possible if we up for discussion and budget that, then the answer is yes, because there is a you have um a case that can be made for that, because you have uh uh commercial, residential, et cetera, you know, right right in that area, you have","topics_json":"[\"public_safety\",\"budget\"]","vector_id":"vec_seg_98920_272","created_at":"2026-10-31T05:26:18Z","speaker_name":"Roy Sudler, Jr."},{"id":"seg_98920_273","meeting_id":"98920","media_asset_id":"med_98920_08fcb9ccec0b875e","agenda_item_id":null,"speaker_id":"spk_98920_public_commenter","speaker_confidence":0.9,"start_sec":5190.98,"end_sec":5199.15,"text":"So you're saying that the only way they're going to put cameras in is when they build them four condos out there, but the people that are living out there now doesn't need the protection, is that what you're saying?","topics_json":"[\"public_safety\",\"housing\"]","vector_id":"vec_seg_98920_273","created_at":"2026-10-31T05:26:18Z","speaker_name":null},{"id":"seg_98920_274","meeting_id":"98920","media_asset_id":"med_98920_08fcb9ccec0b875e","agenda_item_id":null,"speaker_id":"off_roy_sudler_jr","speaker_confidence":1,"start_sec":5199.26,"end_sec":5216.82,"text":"I'm I'm saying that there is there are no more cameras that are going up anywhere in the city at this time. We're going to have If we want more, we're going to have to address that in the budget uh hearing and in the budget, and see and expand the number of cameras available. Uh it's the same problem they're having in Barrister Place, they want to put, and that really needs cameras, because people are dying out there.","topics_json":"[\"public_safety\",\"budget\"]","vector_id":"vec_seg_98920_274","created_at":"2026-10-31T05:26:18Z","speaker_name":"Roy Sudler, Jr."},{"id":"seg_98920_275","meeting_id":"98920","media_asset_id":"med_98920_08fcb9ccec0b875e","agenda_item_id":null,"speaker_id":"spk_98920_public_commenter","speaker_confidence":0.9,"start_sec":5216.82,"end_sec":5217.42,"text":"Yeah.","topics_json":"[]","vector_id":"vec_seg_98920_275","created_at":"2026-10-31T05:26:18Z","speaker_name":null},{"id":"seg_98920_276","meeting_id":"98920","media_asset_id":"med_98920_08fcb9ccec0b875e","agenda_item_id":null,"speaker_id":"off_roy_sudler_jr","speaker_confidence":1,"start_sec":5217.42,"end_sec":5224,"text":"And and they and they can't even put cameras there. And because, any more cameras, because um the network is has reached its maximum limit.","topics_json":"[\"public_safety\"]","vector_id":"vec_seg_98920_276","created_at":"2026-10-31T05:26:18Z","speaker_name":"Roy Sudler, Jr."},{"id":"seg_98920_277","meeting_id":"98920","media_asset_id":"med_98920_08fcb9ccec0b875e","agenda_item_id":null,"speaker_id":"spk_98920_public_commenter","speaker_confidence":0.9,"start_sec":5224.07,"end_sec":5225.06,"text":"Okay.","topics_json":"[]","vector_id":"vec_seg_98920_277","created_at":"2026-10-31T05:26:18Z","speaker_name":null},{"id":"seg_98920_278","meeting_id":"98920","media_asset_id":"med_98920_08fcb9ccec0b875e","agenda_item_id":null,"speaker_id":"off_andre_m_boggerty","speaker_confidence":0.95,"start_sec":5225.13,"end_sec":5280.08,"text":"Uh Dr. Sudler, uh thank you. Um maybe we could look at those areas that that there are cameras that are having um very low criminal activity occurring, and maybe we could um maybe not have to use those and substitute not using that or cutting off that network for in those low areas of crime for, and then substituting it for a camera in high areas of crime, and maybe alternate um periodically um until we can afford to address that from a a budget. You know You know what I'm saying?","topics_json":"[\"public_safety\",\"budget\"]","vector_id":"vec_seg_98920_278","created_at":"2026-10-31T05:26:18Z","speaker_name":"Andre M. Boggerty"},{"id":"seg_98920_279","meeting_id":"98920","media_asset_id":"med_98920_08fcb9ccec0b875e","agenda_item_id":null,"speaker_id":"off_roy_sudler_jr","speaker_confidence":1,"start_sec":5280.15,"end_sec":5281.22,"text":"Yeah, I do. Yeah, I mean","topics_json":"[]","vector_id":"vec_seg_98920_279","created_at":"2026-10-31T05:26:18Z","speaker_name":"Roy Sudler, Jr."},{"id":"seg_98920_28","meeting_id":"98920","media_asset_id":"med_98920_08fcb9ccec0b875e","agenda_item_id":null,"speaker_id":"spk_98920_staff_member","speaker_confidence":0.85,"start_sec":784.92,"end_sec":786.42,"text":"I believe that was part","topics_json":"[\"public_safety\"]","vector_id":"vec_seg_98920_28","created_at":"2026-10-31T05:26:17Z","speaker_name":null},{"id":"seg_98920_280","meeting_id":"98920","media_asset_id":"med_98920_08fcb9ccec0b875e","agenda_item_id":null,"speaker_id":"off_andre_m_boggerty","speaker_confidence":0.95,"start_sec":5281.22,"end_sec":5296.5,"text":"can't change the infrastructure, but I I hear what you're saying that our network won't allow for additional data and additional, but if we cut off a camera here and then cut it on over here, then then that substitution might might work. I don't know, I'm just brainstorming and I'm like My words got","topics_json":"[\"public_safety\"]","vector_id":"vec_seg_98920_280","created_at":"2026-10-31T05:26:18Z","speaker_name":"Andre M. Boggerty"},{"id":"seg_98920_281","meeting_id":"98920","media_asset_id":"med_98920_08fcb9ccec0b875e","agenda_item_id":null,"speaker_id":"off_roy_sudler_jr","speaker_confidence":1,"start_sec":5296.57,"end_sec":5308.37,"text":"Well, I think it's a reasonable suggestion to say um because when is our camera network been re-evaluated um based upon the the hot data? Um that uh to see if there's","topics_json":"[\"public_safety\"]","vector_id":"vec_seg_98920_281","created_at":"2026-10-31T05:26:18Z","speaker_name":"Roy Sudler, Jr."},{"id":"seg_98920_282","meeting_id":"98920","media_asset_id":"med_98920_08fcb9ccec0b875e","agenda_item_id":null,"speaker_id":"off_roy_sudler_jr","speaker_confidence":0.95,"start_sec":5308.36,"end_sec":5356.76,"text":"So, room for minor adjustments, I don't think that's an unreasonable request to ask. And because I'm sure that there's I'm sure that somewhere out of I can't say the number because of propriety, but out of the hundreds of cameras we have, I can say that, that there's that that some of them have been put up there years and years ago, and I'm sure there's room to at least evaluate it. And I would be glad to just entertain a motion to recommend that an evaluation of the camera network take place to maximize effective locations.","topics_json":"[\"public_safety\"]","vector_id":"vec_seg_98920_282","created_at":"2026-10-31T05:26:18Z","speaker_name":"Roy Sudler, Jr."},{"id":"seg_98920_283","meeting_id":"98920","media_asset_id":"med_98920_08fcb9ccec0b875e","agenda_item_id":null,"speaker_id":"off_andre_m_boggerty","speaker_confidence":0.95,"start_sec":5356.76,"end_sec":5413.46,"text":"I move to I move to do an evaluation on the cameras that are currently in place to see how if they're functioning, and if those are not functioning, we can substitute those for ones that are needed in the designated areas, such as Butler Place and Kirkwood Street-","topics_json":"[\"public_safety\"]","vector_id":"vec_seg_98920_283","created_at":"2026-10-31T05:26:18Z","speaker_name":"Andre M. 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If you have a question about one, shoot it to one of us, and we'll we'll ask that question. Because I've I've done that. I've asked about the operational aspect of different cameras. And yes, Mr. You're on motion. We will recognize you all. Um, is there a second for the motion?","topics_json":"[\"public_safety\"]","vector_id":"vec_seg_98920_288","created_at":"2026-10-31T05:26:18Z","speaker_name":"Roy Sudler, Jr."},{"id":"seg_98920_289","meeting_id":"98920","media_asset_id":"med_98920_08fcb9ccec0b875e","agenda_item_id":null,"speaker_id":"off_fred_a_neil","speaker_confidence":0.95,"start_sec":5450.06,"end_sec":5451.96,"text":"Neil seconds.","topics_json":"[\"public_safety\"]","vector_id":"vec_seg_98920_289","created_at":"2026-10-31T05:26:18Z","speaker_name":"Fred A. Neil"},{"id":"seg_98920_29","meeting_id":"98920","media_asset_id":"med_98920_08fcb9ccec0b875e","agenda_item_id":null,"speaker_id":"off_roy_sudler_jr","speaker_confidence":0.95,"start_sec":786.42,"end_sec":794.65,"text":"when was the adoption of that ordinance of speed, prohibited of speed humps? I think that's something we may need to revisit.","topics_json":"[\"public_safety\"]","vector_id":"vec_seg_98920_29","created_at":"2026-10-31T05:26:17Z","speaker_name":"Roy Sudler, Jr."},{"id":"seg_98920_290","meeting_id":"98920","media_asset_id":"med_98920_08fcb9ccec0b875e","agenda_item_id":null,"speaker_id":"off_roy_sudler_jr","speaker_confidence":0.95,"start_sec":5451.96,"end_sec":5461.26,"text":"Been seconded by uh Council President Neil. Uh, discussion?","topics_json":"[\"public_safety\"]","vector_id":"vec_seg_98920_290","created_at":"2026-10-31T05:26:18Z","speaker_name":"Roy Sudler, Jr."},{"id":"seg_98920_291","meeting_id":"98920","media_asset_id":"med_98920_08fcb9ccec0b875e","agenda_item_id":null,"speaker_id":"spk_98920_public_commenter","speaker_confidence":0.85,"start_sec":5461.26,"end_sec":5466.86,"text":"I have a security concern. She's mentioning cameras. Can I please express a security concern?","topics_json":"[\"public_safety\"]","vector_id":"vec_seg_98920_291","created_at":"2026-10-31T05:26:18Z","speaker_name":null},{"id":"seg_98920_292","meeting_id":"98920","media_asset_id":"med_98920_08fcb9ccec0b875e","agenda_item_id":null,"speaker_id":"off_roy_sudler_jr","speaker_confidence":0.95,"start_sec":5466.86,"end_sec":5468.36,"text":"Yes.","topics_json":"[\"public_safety\"]","vector_id":"vec_seg_98920_292","created_at":"2026-10-31T05:26:18Z","speaker_name":"Roy Sudler, Jr."},{"id":"seg_98920_293","meeting_id":"98920","media_asset_id":"med_98920_08fcb9ccec0b875e","agenda_item_id":null,"speaker_id":"spk_98920_public_commenter","speaker_confidence":0.9,"start_sec":5469.06,"end_sec":5494.56,"text":"I first want to acknowledge that Dover PD did an excellent job. My friend's store was robbed, or attempted to be robbed. It got on the blotter, and I was able to talk to Dr. Councilman Boggerty and Ms. Hall, and uh Mr. Lewis. This individual robbed three stores or broke in, did damage. Um, he's innocent until proven guilty. He's damaged the stores, he robbed the stores, he's out on unsecured bail, so he's going to rob more people.","topics_json":"[\"public_safety\",\"business\"]","vector_id":"vec_seg_98920_293","created_at":"2026-10-31T05:26:18Z","speaker_name":null},{"id":"seg_98920_294","meeting_id":"98920","media_asset_id":"med_98920_08fcb9ccec0b875e","agenda_item_id":null,"speaker_id":"spk_98920_public_commenter","speaker_confidence":0.9,"start_sec":5494.56,"end_sec":5504.96,"text":"This is going to increase the insurance for these stores, they're going to pass it on to the consumer. Something's got to be done, because our police are doing their job. This gentleman didn't rob allegedly didn't rob one store, but three. It was on the blotter this morning at 10:30. That's, excuse my French, that's asinine. Our cops are working hard, and he's out before the paperwork's cleared.","topics_json":"[\"public_safety\",\"business\"]","vector_id":"vec_seg_98920_294","created_at":"2026-10-31T05:26:18Z","speaker_name":null},{"id":"seg_98920_295","meeting_id":"98920","media_asset_id":"med_98920_08fcb9ccec0b875e","agenda_item_id":null,"speaker_id":"spk_98920_public_commenter","speaker_confidence":0.9,"start_sec":5504.97,"end_sec":5514.87,"text":"a thousand dollars and he got it fixed. I mean, I don't know about you, I can't take a thousand-dollar hit all the time, right? Well, I appreciate your time. Thank you for letting me speak.","topics_json":"[]","vector_id":"vec_seg_98920_295","created_at":"2026-10-31T05:26:18Z","speaker_name":null},{"id":"seg_98920_296","meeting_id":"98920","media_asset_id":"med_98920_08fcb9ccec0b875e","agenda_item_id":null,"speaker_id":"off_david_l_anderson","speaker_confidence":0.95,"start_sec":5514.87,"end_sec":5521.27,"text":"Well, thank you for your comments. All right. If everyone, Mr. Garfinkel.","topics_json":"[]","vector_id":"vec_seg_98920_296","created_at":"2026-10-31T05:26:18Z","speaker_name":"David L. Anderson"},{"id":"seg_98920_297","meeting_id":"98920","media_asset_id":"med_98920_08fcb9ccec0b875e","agenda_item_id":null,"speaker_id":"spk_98920_jonathan_garfinkel","speaker_confidence":0.95,"start_sec":5521.27,"end_sec":5544.77,"text":"Yeah, I I just ask the maker of that motion to delete the part where he talks about maybe putting cameras on this street and that street. I think that just muddies the waters for Dover PD. I think a simple motion to for Dover PD to assess the efficacy of the camera system and let let them come back with some answers. 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I'll be happy to.","topics_json":"[]","vector_id":"vec_seg_98920_301","created_at":"2026-10-31T05:26:18Z","speaker_name":"Jonathan Garfinkel"},{"id":"seg_98920_302","meeting_id":"98920","media_asset_id":"med_98920_08fcb9ccec0b875e","agenda_item_id":null,"speaker_id":"off_andre_m_boggerty","speaker_confidence":0.95,"start_sec":5608.47,"end_sec":5611.57,"text":"Thank you. Go ahead, Mr. Garfinkel.","topics_json":"[]","vector_id":"vec_seg_98920_302","created_at":"2026-10-31T05:26:18Z","speaker_name":"Andre M. 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And since this was a um just a internal staff recommendation, it's not really a substantive motion, um you know, it's just recommending staff look at something. Um that and I wanted to point that out because there are rules about what can get added, what can't, uh without notice and posting and the like. We're not proposing any policy, any changes, anything else. Just asking for an evaluation. All right. Thank you. Well, sir.","topics_json":"[\"public_safety\"]","vector_id":"vec_seg_98920_308","created_at":"2026-10-31T05:26:18Z","speaker_name":"David L. Anderson"},{"id":"seg_98920_309","meeting_id":"98920","media_asset_id":"med_98920_08fcb9ccec0b875e","agenda_item_id":null,"speaker_id":"off_roy_sudler_jr","speaker_confidence":0.9,"start_sec":5663.87,"end_sec":5713.07,"text":"Uh, just point of clarity, thank you. Because now the police are involved and we're talking about safety, would that then move to Safety Advisory and Transportation?","topics_json":"[\"public_safety\"]","vector_id":"vec_seg_98920_309","created_at":"2026-10-31T05:26:18Z","speaker_name":"Roy Sudler, Jr."},{"id":"seg_98920_31","meeting_id":"98920","media_asset_id":"med_98920_08fcb9ccec0b875e","agenda_item_id":null,"speaker_id":"off_andre_m_boggerty","speaker_confidence":0.95,"start_sec":796.39,"end_sec":797.58,"text":"Yes, sir, please. Thank you.","topics_json":"[]","vector_id":"vec_seg_98920_31","created_at":"2026-10-31T05:26:17Z","speaker_name":"Andre M. Boggerty"},{"id":"seg_98920_310","meeting_id":"98920","media_asset_id":"med_98920_08fcb9ccec0b875e","agenda_item_id":null,"speaker_id":"off_david_l_anderson","speaker_confidence":0.95,"start_sec":5713.07,"end_sec":5720.07,"text":"Yes. It should. When it comes back and they do the evaluation, I think that would be absolutely appropriate.","topics_json":"[\"public_safety\"]","vector_id":"vec_seg_98920_310","created_at":"2026-10-31T05:26:18Z","speaker_name":"David L. Anderson"},{"id":"seg_98920_311","meeting_id":"98920","media_asset_id":"med_98920_08fcb9ccec0b875e","agenda_item_id":null,"speaker_id":"off_roy_sudler_jr","speaker_confidence":0.9,"start_sec":5720.07,"end_sec":5726.97,"text":"So do I. Thank you for confirming things, yeah. Make me feel good. Thank you.","topics_json":"[]","vector_id":"vec_seg_98920_311","created_at":"2026-10-31T05:26:18Z","speaker_name":"Roy Sudler, Jr."},{"id":"seg_98920_312","meeting_id":"98920","media_asset_id":"med_98920_08fcb9ccec0b875e","agenda_item_id":null,"speaker_id":"off_david_l_anderson","speaker_confidence":0.95,"start_sec":5726.97,"end_sec":5739.27,"text":"All right. With that, if there's if there's no further business for the in this the uh for the Legislative, Finance, and Administration Committee, we stand adjourned.","topics_json":"[]","vector_id":"vec_seg_98920_312","created_at":"2026-10-31T05:26:18Z","speaker_name":"David L. Anderson"},{"id":"seg_98920_313","meeting_id":"98920","media_asset_id":"med_98920_08fcb9ccec0b875e","agenda_item_id":null,"speaker_id":"off_fred_a_neil","speaker_confidence":0.95,"start_sec":5739.27,"end_sec":5745.97,"text":"Is any other business before this Council tonight? Hearing none, the meeting is adjourned.","topics_json":"[]","vector_id":"vec_seg_98920_313","created_at":"2026-10-31T05:26:18Z","speaker_name":"Fred A. Neil"},{"id":"seg_98920_32","meeting_id":"98920","media_asset_id":"med_98920_08fcb9ccec0b875e","agenda_item_id":null,"speaker_id":"off_andre_m_boggerty","speaker_confidence":0.95,"start_sec":797.58,"end_sec":799.24,"text":"Permission to dialogue granted. Thank you.","topics_json":"[]","vector_id":"vec_seg_98920_32","created_at":"2026-10-31T05:26:17Z","speaker_name":"Andre M. Boggerty"},{"id":"seg_98920_33","meeting_id":"98920","media_asset_id":"med_98920_08fcb9ccec0b875e","agenda_item_id":null,"speaker_id":"spk_98920_city_staff","speaker_confidence":0.85,"start_sec":799.24,"end_sec":802.48,"text":"Just looking up the code right now, Dr. Sudler.","topics_json":"[]","vector_id":"vec_seg_98920_33","created_at":"2026-10-31T05:26:17Z","speaker_name":null},{"id":"seg_98920_34","meeting_id":"98920","media_asset_id":"med_98920_08fcb9ccec0b875e","agenda_item_id":null,"speaker_id":"off_roy_sudler_jr","speaker_confidence":0.9,"start_sec":802.48,"end_sec":803.51,"text":"Yeah, no worries, Hon.","topics_json":"[]","vector_id":"vec_seg_98920_34","created_at":"2026-10-31T05:26:17Z","speaker_name":"Roy Sudler, Jr."},{"id":"seg_98920_35","meeting_id":"98920","media_asset_id":"med_98920_08fcb9ccec0b875e","agenda_item_id":null,"speaker_id":"spk_98920_city_staff","speaker_confidence":0.85,"start_sec":803.51,"end_sec":805.09,"text":"I believe 2016.","topics_json":"[]","vector_id":"vec_seg_98920_35","created_at":"2026-10-31T05:26:17Z","speaker_name":null},{"id":"seg_98920_36","meeting_id":"98920","media_asset_id":"med_98920_08fcb9ccec0b875e","agenda_item_id":null,"speaker_id":"off_roy_sudler_jr","speaker_confidence":0.95,"start_sec":805.09,"end_sec":907.63,"text":"Right, I think yeah that was right about the time we came on council, Councilman Neil. Maybe it's something that we may need to revisit. Is there any data or data in regards to... well, I know other municipalities are still using it, right? So I know we sort of outlawed it or prohibited it based on some apparatus issues. With the new technology and the way they're building or constructing the apparatus now, the emergency apparatus now, do you think the slight hump, and I know there's some that protrude out more, the old school ones protruded out tremendously, like it was almost like you were going to do some hazards, right? And the other ones are like, okay. So, is there, can we look at that and see what other municipalities are doing? I know we sort of asked this to a certain extent, but a little bit more in depth because I think we may need to amend or alter what we put in place in 2016, 10 years ago—oh my god, 10 years ago—for, you know, something that's going to be more conducive for us now because it seems like people are just blowing past these speedometers, blowing past, not paying attention to signs, and I don't know what else that may keep them from speeding other than the humps. So, thank you, I yield. Thank you Chairman Boggerty for recognizing me.","topics_json":"[\"public_safety\"]","vector_id":"vec_seg_98920_36","created_at":"2026-10-31T05:26:17Z","speaker_name":"Roy Sudler, Jr."},{"id":"seg_98920_37","meeting_id":"98920","media_asset_id":"med_98920_08fcb9ccec0b875e","agenda_item_id":null,"speaker_id":"off_andre_m_boggerty","speaker_confidence":0.95,"start_sec":907.63,"end_sec":910.48,"text":"Oh, you're welcome. Anyone else? Members of council?","topics_json":"[]","vector_id":"vec_seg_98920_37","created_at":"2026-10-31T05:26:17Z","speaker_name":"Andre M. Boggerty"},{"id":"seg_98920_38","meeting_id":"98920","media_asset_id":"med_98920_08fcb9ccec0b875e","agenda_item_id":null,"speaker_id":"off_gerald_l_rocha_sr","speaker_confidence":0.95,"start_sec":910.48,"end_sec":947.82,"text":"I have a question. How does this impact school bus routes?","topics_json":"[\"public_safety\"]","vector_id":"vec_seg_98920_38","created_at":"2026-10-31T05:26:17Z","speaker_name":"Gerald L. Rocha, Sr."},{"id":"seg_98920_39","meeting_id":"98920","media_asset_id":"med_98920_08fcb9ccec0b875e","agenda_item_id":null,"speaker_id":"spk_98920_city_staff","speaker_confidence":0.85,"start_sec":947.82,"end_sec":961.83,"text":"The schools will have similar delays that we had with regard to emergency vehicles, they'd have to take a different route. So it would probably be a minute to two minute delay on getting where they're going to go. If we could go back to the, I'm sorry, Crystal, the map that has the Google, yeah.","topics_json":"[\"public_safety\"]","vector_id":"vec_seg_98920_39","created_at":"2026-10-31T05:26:17Z","speaker_name":null},{"id":"seg_98920_4","meeting_id":"98920","media_asset_id":"med_98920_08fcb9ccec0b875e","agenda_item_id":null,"speaker_id":"off_fred_a_neil","speaker_confidence":0.95,"start_sec":24.3,"end_sec":31,"text":"It's moved and seconded. And thirded. Uh all in favor, please say aye.","topics_json":"[]","vector_id":"vec_seg_98920_4","created_at":"2026-10-31T05:26:17Z","speaker_name":"Fred A. Neil"},{"id":"seg_98920_40","meeting_id":"98920","media_asset_id":"med_98920_08fcb9ccec0b875e","agenda_item_id":null,"speaker_id":"off_gerald_l_rocha_sr","speaker_confidence":0.95,"start_sec":961.83,"end_sec":983.03,"text":"We have an esteemed member of the Capital School District Board. Foreseeing any challenges with this, again, I am sensitive to, although they're not here, that doesn't mean they're still not heard. The residents over there and their concerns of the speeding and the history that they've experienced. However, I'm sensitive to what Councilwoman Arndt stated that if we do this once, it's going to be a Pandora's box, and we'll be losing out everywhere. And if you had to endure what we are currently enduring in my neighborhood about detours, it's it's it says two minutes, but by the time the traffic backs up and and people are routing through the neighborhoods...","topics_json":"[\"public_safety\"]","vector_id":"vec_seg_98920_40","created_at":"2026-10-31T05:26:17Z","speaker_name":"Gerald L. Rocha, Sr."},{"id":"seg_98920_41","meeting_id":"98920","media_asset_id":"med_98920_08fcb9ccec0b875e","agenda_item_id":null,"speaker_id":"off_gerald_l_rocha_sr","speaker_confidence":0.95,"start_sec":983.03,"end_sec":1033.83,"text":"it it it can be calm. It's two minutes without any barriers of traffic or individuals rerouting, but we just experienced over on where we live, it's been a nightmare, we'd say. So, so especially in the morning with school buses and then again with Councilwoman Arndt says that if we do this once, we'll probably be hearing this. I'm sensitive. I know she's not here and I know she will yell at me, but even with Miss Mame's concerns in that in that area, genuine concerns. But I'm I'm concerned that once we do this once, it's we'll have a whole city full of those. Yeah, uh basic. There you go. Thank you. I yield to you.","topics_json":"[\"traffic\",\"public_safety\"]","vector_id":"vec_seg_98920_41","created_at":"2026-10-31T05:26:17Z","speaker_name":"Gerald L. Rocha, Sr."},{"id":"seg_98920_42","meeting_id":"98920","media_asset_id":"med_98920_08fcb9ccec0b875e","agenda_item_id":null,"speaker_id":"spk_98920_councilwoman","speaker_confidence":0.85,"start_sec":1034.33,"end_sec":1109.13,"text":"Good evening. Um, yeah, so that is a concern. Um, it would just mean students would have to get up early, we have to adjust our our routes. We utilize our buses, many of our buses, you know, are utilized for all of the schools. And so, you know, it would just be a matter of trans our transportation department being able to modify the route and basing it off of the additional minute, two, five, 10 minutes um that it may add to the route. Um, I also have similar concerns as Councilman Boggerty and Councilwoman Arndt in that, um, speeding is an issue and I'm sure, you know, if we open it up more, Ms. Pennington, Penn Pennington, um, would also express concerns about speeding on Kirkwood Street. So, I do hear those concerns as well and I think that, you know, while this might help, you know, this particular concern, we do have a larger issue within the city and so keeping that in mind and recognizing that we probably need um, maybe it is speed cameras, but we probably do need something on a larger scale that would accommodate the whole city versus one street at a time.","topics_json":"[\"traffic\",\"public_safety\"]","vector_id":"vec_seg_98920_42","created_at":"2026-10-31T05:26:17Z","speaker_name":null},{"id":"seg_98920_43","meeting_id":"98920","media_asset_id":"med_98920_08fcb9ccec0b875e","agenda_item_id":null,"speaker_id":"spk_98920_councilwoman","speaker_confidence":0.85,"start_sec":1109.13,"end_sec":1109.63,"text":"Thank you.","topics_json":"[]","vector_id":"vec_seg_98920_43","created_at":"2026-10-31T05:26:17Z","speaker_name":null},{"id":"seg_98920_44","meeting_id":"98920","media_asset_id":"med_98920_08fcb9ccec0b875e","agenda_item_id":null,"speaker_id":"off_gerald_l_rocha_sr","speaker_confidence":0.95,"start_sec":1109.63,"end_sec":1124.03,"text":"Anyone else? 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So I think that closing that road off, we're going to have more issues on the road when you're coming out of Burger King, either make a left or right, you're not supposed to go straight, but cars are going straight. Um, I think that if we're closing that road, we're going to see more problems and then businesses are going and that little um that little shopping center there will complain. My suggestion would be, you know, get one of those get a camera out there to see what","topics_json":"[\"traffic\",\"public_safety\",\"business\"]","vector_id":"vec_seg_98920_45","created_at":"2026-10-31T05:26:17Z","speaker_name":"Smack"},{"id":"seg_98920_46","meeting_id":"98920","media_asset_id":"med_98920_08fcb9ccec0b875e","agenda_item_id":null,"speaker_id":"spk_98920_chunk7_speaker","speaker_confidence":0.85,"start_sec":1179.64,"end_sec":1227.04,"text":"you know, what we can catch um to stop people from doing it. Maybe advertise it like, \"Hey, you're on camera,\" or something like that. I don't know what kind of signage would have to be displayed uh for you know, uh DelDOT, but I do think that um closing it is not good. I was looking at the minutes uh for our uh Robbins Hose Company. That's not good. A minute, a whole lot can happen, just from, you know, some meetings I've been to, a minute can a lot of things can happen as far as destruction and things of that nature. So, I'm totally against this. I just wanted to offer my opinion, and uh um I I think we need to get some cameras out there and maybe some type of signage. Thank you.","topics_json":"[\"public_safety\"]","vector_id":"vec_seg_98920_46","created_at":"2026-10-31T05:26:17Z","speaker_name":null},{"id":"seg_98920_47","meeting_id":"98920","media_asset_id":"med_98920_08fcb9ccec0b875e","agenda_item_id":null,"speaker_id":"off_roy_sudler_jr","speaker_confidence":0.95,"start_sec":1227.24,"end_sec":1232.64,"text":"Thank you. Um Chair Chair recognizes Director Lyon.","topics_json":"[]","vector_id":"vec_seg_98920_47","created_at":"2026-10-31T05:26:18Z","speaker_name":"Roy Sudler, Jr."},{"id":"seg_98920_48","meeting_id":"98920","media_asset_id":"med_98920_08fcb9ccec0b875e","agenda_item_id":null,"speaker_id":"spk_98920_jason_lyon","speaker_confidence":0.95,"start_sec":1232.94,"end_sec":1279.64,"text":"Thank you. Um so I appreciate everyone's feedback. Um if if Chair wouldn't mind, I'd like to address these comments that have been brought up.","topics_json":"[\"public_safety\"]","vector_id":"vec_seg_98920_48","created_at":"2026-10-31T05:26:18Z","speaker_name":"Jason Lyon"},{"id":"seg_98920_49","meeting_id":"98920","media_asset_id":"med_98920_08fcb9ccec0b875e","agenda_item_id":null,"speaker_id":"off_roy_sudler_jr","speaker_confidence":0.95,"start_sec":1279.84,"end_sec":1285.44,"text":"Yes, thank you. And permission to dialogue if if there's some spontaneous questions.","topics_json":"[]","vector_id":"vec_seg_98920_49","created_at":"2026-10-31T05:26:18Z","speaker_name":"Roy Sudler, Jr."},{"id":"seg_98920_5","meeting_id":"98920","media_asset_id":"med_98920_08fcb9ccec0b875e","agenda_item_id":null,"speaker_id":"spk_98920_council_members","speaker_confidence":0.95,"start_sec":31,"end_sec":32.2,"text":"Aye.","topics_json":"[]","vector_id":"vec_seg_98920_5","created_at":"2026-10-31T05:26:17Z","speaker_name":null},{"id":"seg_98920_50","meeting_id":"98920","media_asset_id":"med_98920_08fcb9ccec0b875e","agenda_item_id":null,"speaker_id":"spk_98920_jason_lyon","speaker_confidence":0.95,"start_sec":1285.74,"end_sec":1376.24,"text":"Very good, thank you. Um so, uh we have talked about the speed cameras. I know everyone in this room has heard about them. Um the City of Newark has just put up a new one um in their jurisdiction. And just to remind everyone the way that this works is you have to rent the cameras at a certain price, and then we have to do a cost-benefit analysis to see if we're going to get enough people to offset that cost, right? So if we have a ticket of a certain amount of money, we have to offset that against the rental price for these speed cameras, which is under contract with the State of Delaware. DelDOT has to approve a uh a study, and unfortunately the study that was done in this particular street would not move the needle. There wasn't enough speeding on this road to justify um this the State to approve the speeding over 11 mph in the 85th percentile. So it could be done, uh but we need to really crunch the numbers because if not we're going to be losing money on this. Um and I understand the safety aspect of it, uh but we need to make sure that we're also financially prudent uh in that regard. So that's one one thing I want to bring up. Um I'll be happy to reach out if this is the pleasure to to our colleagues in Newark to see how things are going, and I can report back. Um that'd be that'd be no problem at all. Um the uh the other the other thing I want to mention is you know, we're in front of this this committee now because of a motion that was made on December 9th to close this road temporarily to do studies. So this doesn't mean that we're going to close the road forever, um it just means that we're going to close it, we're going to try to study and see if we can come up with traffic calming ideas that may benefit. Um I know the folks that provided a petition to this this body, uh they want to see it closed permanently, but the motion was to make temporarily so we can investigate any potential solutions to the problem. Um the the ballpark estimate that we received to do to have an engineer do some evaluation on this road, both geometrically and and more or less with signage, uh was about $20,000. 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And then if you guys have any other ideas for sources of revenue, I'd be all ears for that. Thank you.","topics_json":"[\"budget\"]","vector_id":"vec_seg_98920_51","created_at":"2026-10-31T05:26:18Z","speaker_name":null},{"id":"seg_98920_52","meeting_id":"98920","media_asset_id":"med_98920_08fcb9ccec0b875e","agenda_item_id":null,"speaker_id":"off_andre_m_boggerty","speaker_confidence":0.95,"start_sec":1399.84,"end_sec":1403.74,"text":"Thank you. The chair recognizes Dr. Pillsbury, Councilwoman Dr. Pillsbury.","topics_json":"[]","vector_id":"vec_seg_98920_52","created_at":"2026-10-31T05:26:18Z","speaker_name":"Andre M. Boggerty"},{"id":"seg_98920_53","meeting_id":"98920","media_asset_id":"med_98920_08fcb9ccec0b875e","agenda_item_id":null,"speaker_id":"off_julia_m_pillsbury","speaker_confidence":0.95,"start_sec":1403.74,"end_sec":1478.74,"text":"Thank you. Um how expensive would it be to put up a 25-mph speed limit sign and a children at play sign or whatever language the signs for kids have? Um, because I've seen those in different neighborhoods to encourage people to slow down. And it seems to me to be a rather inexpensive approach to this. And I agree with everything Councilwoman Arndt said.","topics_json":"[\"public_safety\"]","vector_id":"vec_seg_98920_53","created_at":"2026-10-31T05:26:18Z","speaker_name":"Julia M. Pillsbury"},{"id":"seg_98920_54","meeting_id":"98920","media_asset_id":"med_98920_08fcb9ccec0b875e","agenda_item_id":null,"speaker_id":"spk_98920_staff_member","speaker_confidence":0.85,"start_sec":1478.74,"end_sec":1505.74,"text":"Um, so that's a great question. I don't have that number in front of me. Um, I I would probably venture to guess a a sign is somewhere in the neighborhood of $50 to $75 ballpark. 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There are stop signs.","topics_json":"[]","vector_id":"vec_seg_98920_55","created_at":"2026-10-31T05:26:18Z","speaker_name":null},{"id":"seg_98920_56","meeting_id":"98920","media_asset_id":"med_98920_08fcb9ccec0b875e","agenda_item_id":null,"speaker_id":"off_tricia_k_arndt","speaker_confidence":0.95,"start_sec":1509.04,"end_sec":1513.24,"text":"Now the 25 mph is the electronic one about halfway down the street.","topics_json":"[\"public_safety\"]","vector_id":"vec_seg_98920_56","created_at":"2026-10-31T05:26:18Z","speaker_name":"Tricia K. Arndt"},{"id":"seg_98920_57","meeting_id":"98920","media_asset_id":"med_98920_08fcb9ccec0b875e","agenda_item_id":null,"speaker_id":"off_andre_m_boggerty","speaker_confidence":0.95,"start_sec":1513.24,"end_sec":1517.24,"text":"Thank you. Yep. Thank you. Does that satisfy you, Dr. Pillsbury?","topics_json":"[]","vector_id":"vec_seg_98920_57","created_at":"2026-10-31T05:26:18Z","speaker_name":"Andre M. 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Pillsbury"},{"id":"seg_98920_59","meeting_id":"98920","media_asset_id":"med_98920_08fcb9ccec0b875e","agenda_item_id":null,"speaker_id":"off_andre_m_boggerty","speaker_confidence":0.95,"start_sec":1526.24,"end_sec":1572.85,"text":"Yes, because $20,000 would have a certain member who sits in the front row of our constituents, tell us about $20,000, $20,000 bill, Dr. Faust will Councilman The chair recognizes Dr. Sudler.","topics_json":"[\"budget\"]","vector_id":"vec_seg_98920_59","created_at":"2026-10-31T05:26:18Z","speaker_name":"Andre M. Boggerty"},{"id":"seg_98920_6","meeting_id":"98920","media_asset_id":"med_98920_08fcb9ccec0b875e","agenda_item_id":null,"speaker_id":"off_fred_a_neil","speaker_confidence":0.95,"start_sec":32.2,"end_sec":44.8,"text":"Any opposed? It is passed unanimously. Um I now recognize Chairman Andre Boggerty to conduct the business of the Safety Advisory and Transportation Committee. The floor is yours, sir.","topics_json":"[]","vector_id":"vec_seg_98920_6","created_at":"2026-10-31T05:26:17Z","speaker_name":"Fred A. Neil"},{"id":"seg_98920_60","meeting_id":"98920","media_asset_id":"med_98920_08fcb9ccec0b875e","agenda_item_id":null,"speaker_id":"off_roy_sudler_jr","speaker_confidence":0.95,"start_sec":1572.85,"end_sec":1572.85,"text":"Thank you, um Chairman Boggerty, for recognizing me. Um, two thoughts that came to my mind. One, great idea about the the sign, signage. I was thinking also, um, one of those signages that are digital and that if you're going too fast, the one that has like the police lights. I like that, it sort of gets people a little alert. And then also, um, what kind of analysis are you talking about, that traffic uh study? Are you talking about a safety analysis, crash analysis, a traffic impact study, or a traffic operational analysis? Because I know that for those type of uh, um, analysis, there's different periods of time for the study. And I think the crash analysis is the one that might be the most, um, you know, um, feasible time-wise and and also cost-wise, and still achieve I think what you're trying to achieve is a a count. I think that I think that one does like a a count, um, a calm analysis of how many vehicles, but","topics_json":"[\"public_safety\"]","vector_id":"vec_seg_98920_60","created_at":"2026-10-31T05:26:18Z","speaker_name":"Roy Sudler, Jr."},{"id":"seg_98920_61","meeting_id":"98920","media_asset_id":"med_98920_08fcb9ccec0b875e","agenda_item_id":null,"speaker_id":"off_gerald_l_rocha_sr","speaker_confidence":0.92,"start_sec":1572.85,"end_sec":1576.55,"text":"Which which analysis were were y'all looking at?","topics_json":"[\"public_safety\"]","vector_id":"vec_seg_98920_61","created_at":"2026-10-31T05:26:18Z","speaker_name":"Gerald L. Rocha, Sr."},{"id":"seg_98920_62","meeting_id":"98920","media_asset_id":"med_98920_08fcb9ccec0b875e","agenda_item_id":null,"speaker_id":"spk_98920_jason_lyon","speaker_confidence":0.9,"start_sec":1576.55,"end_sec":1597.15,"text":"So it's called a traffic calming analysis, and it's utilizing the manual for um I believe there's there's there's a DelDOT traffic calming manual and there's a federal one um that will be utilized by this firm. And that takes into account crash data, speed count that we have that we've collected from our police department. We have all that information, that data has already been provided to them to to process.","topics_json":"[\"public_safety\"]","vector_id":"vec_seg_98920_62","created_at":"2026-10-31T05:26:18Z","speaker_name":"Jason Lyon"},{"id":"seg_98920_63","meeting_id":"98920","media_asset_id":"med_98920_08fcb9ccec0b875e","agenda_item_id":null,"speaker_id":"off_gerald_l_rocha_sr","speaker_confidence":0.92,"start_sec":1597.15,"end_sec":1597.95,"text":"Okay.","topics_json":"[\"public_safety\"]","vector_id":"vec_seg_98920_63","created_at":"2026-10-31T05:26:18Z","speaker_name":"Gerald L. Rocha, Sr."},{"id":"seg_98920_64","meeting_id":"98920","media_asset_id":"med_98920_08fcb9ccec0b875e","agenda_item_id":null,"speaker_id":"spk_98920_jason_lyon","speaker_confidence":0.9,"start_sec":1597.95,"end_sec":1605.55,"text":"Um so it's really just about what what sort of geometric features could we do. As Councilwoman Arndt mentioned, this is a very narrow road.","topics_json":"[\"public_safety\"]","vector_id":"vec_seg_98920_64","created_at":"2026-10-31T05:26:18Z","speaker_name":"Jason Lyon"},{"id":"seg_98920_65","meeting_id":"98920","media_asset_id":"med_98920_08fcb9ccec0b875e","agenda_item_id":null,"speaker_id":"off_gerald_l_rocha_sr","speaker_confidence":0.92,"start_sec":1605.55,"end_sec":1606.35,"text":"Right.","topics_json":"[\"public_safety\"]","vector_id":"vec_seg_98920_65","created_at":"2026-10-31T05:26:18Z","speaker_name":"Gerald L. Rocha, Sr."},{"id":"seg_98920_66","meeting_id":"98920","media_asset_id":"med_98920_08fcb9ccec0b875e","agenda_item_id":null,"speaker_id":"spk_98920_jason_lyon","speaker_confidence":0.9,"start_sec":1606.35,"end_sec":1616.45,"text":"It's 21 ft curb to curb. It's not very wide. 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Uh I think to this body our recommendation was to stripe the road uh with with double double yellow line uh and a white shoulder, even though there's there really shouldn't be parking on this road, it's not wide enough, uh to give that visual uh look of keep in that lane. You know, if you've ever driven in Pennsylvania, they have these horizontal white lines coming in.","topics_json":"[\"public_safety\"]","vector_id":"vec_seg_98920_68","created_at":"2026-10-31T05:26:18Z","speaker_name":"Jason Lyon"},{"id":"seg_98920_69","meeting_id":"98920","media_asset_id":"med_98920_08fcb9ccec0b875e","agenda_item_id":null,"speaker_id":"off_gerald_l_rocha_sr","speaker_confidence":0.92,"start_sec":1691.25,"end_sec":1691.75,"text":"Yeah.","topics_json":"[\"public_safety\"]","vector_id":"vec_seg_98920_69","created_at":"2026-10-31T05:26:18Z","speaker_name":"Gerald L. 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Uh and if I could step back a second on those um the speed signs that you're talking about, the the radar uh with solar-powered and feedback signs, those are the ones that have the red and uh white lights that kind of Yeah, they shout at you. Ballpark uh $10,000 to $12,000.","topics_json":"[\"public_safety\",\"budget\"]","vector_id":"vec_seg_98920_70","created_at":"2026-10-31T05:26:18Z","speaker_name":"Jason Lyon"},{"id":"seg_98920_71","meeting_id":"98920","media_asset_id":"med_98920_08fcb9ccec0b875e","agenda_item_id":null,"speaker_id":"off_gerald_l_rocha_sr","speaker_confidence":0.92,"start_sec":1718.25,"end_sec":1723.75,"text":"Okay. And and okay. And and how many would you think that we would need there? At least","topics_json":"[\"public_safety\",\"budget\"]","vector_id":"vec_seg_98920_71","created_at":"2026-10-31T05:26:18Z","speaker_name":"Gerald L. 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Rocha, Sr."},{"id":"seg_98920_76","meeting_id":"98920","media_asset_id":"med_98920_08fcb9ccec0b875e","agenda_item_id":null,"speaker_id":"spk_98920_jason_lyon","speaker_confidence":0.9,"start_sec":1732.85,"end_sec":1735.05,"text":"Yeah. Like a mobile one.","topics_json":"[\"public_safety\"]","vector_id":"vec_seg_98920_76","created_at":"2026-10-31T05:26:18Z","speaker_name":"Jason Lyon"},{"id":"seg_98920_77","meeting_id":"98920","media_asset_id":"med_98920_08fcb9ccec0b875e","agenda_item_id":null,"speaker_id":"off_gerald_l_rocha_sr","speaker_confidence":0.92,"start_sec":1735.05,"end_sec":1740.75,"text":"How do we assess whether the temporary mobile ones are actually um effective?","topics_json":"[\"public_safety\"]","vector_id":"vec_seg_98920_77","created_at":"2026-10-31T05:26:18Z","speaker_name":"Gerald L. Rocha, Sr."},{"id":"seg_98920_78","meeting_id":"98920","media_asset_id":"med_98920_08fcb9ccec0b875e","agenda_item_id":null,"speaker_id":"spk_98920_jason_lyon","speaker_confidence":0.9,"start_sec":1740.75,"end_sec":1748.55,"text":"So, you can get um you can get a a a more expensive version of these called","topics_json":"[\"public_safety\"]","vector_id":"vec_seg_98920_78","created_at":"2026-10-31T05:26:18Z","speaker_name":"Jason Lyon"},{"id":"seg_98920_79","meeting_id":"98920","media_asset_id":"med_98920_08fcb9ccec0b875e","agenda_item_id":null,"speaker_id":"off_gerald_l_rocha_sr","speaker_confidence":0.92,"start_sec":1748.55,"end_sec":1761.95,"text":"I guess I'm sorry to cut you I guess what I'm saying is do we have any data to to to show whether or not that temporary one was effective and and calmed the traffic for a certain period of time and and by what percentage?","topics_json":"[\"public_safety\"]","vector_id":"vec_seg_98920_79","created_at":"2026-10-31T05:26:18Z","speaker_name":"Gerald L. 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The Chair- The Chair recognizes Dr. Pillsbury.","topics_json":"[\"public_safety\"]","vector_id":"vec_seg_98920_84","created_at":"2026-10-31T05:26:18Z","speaker_name":"Roy Sudler, Jr."},{"id":"seg_98920_85","meeting_id":"98920","media_asset_id":"med_98920_08fcb9ccec0b875e","agenda_item_id":null,"speaker_id":"off_julia_m_pillsbury","speaker_confidence":0.95,"start_sec":1808.35,"end_sec":1829.35,"text":"Would it be appropriate to make a motion to put a 25 mph speed limit at the entrance to the street and then just the simple sign that he said would be $75, and another one a little further in that says caution, children at play?","topics_json":"[\"public_safety\"]","vector_id":"vec_seg_98920_85","created_at":"2026-10-31T05:26:18Z","speaker_name":"Julia M. 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So it sat still. And I do see an inspection on here, inspection period of March or April 3rd of 2024, it was still not in compliance. 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Uh I can say the agenda um is approved. We have four items on our agenda. Um the first one that we will hear is uh Property Maintenance Code violation, Chapter 3, General Requirements, Section 302.8, Motor Vehicle citation and fines, with the address being 210 North Dover Drive. Um the representative is Simon Epifano Epifanio. Uh Mr. Epifanio is present. Um I'll yield to code enforcement, a representative from code enforcement, to present their the case.","topics_json":"[\"housing\",\"public_safety\"]","vector_id":"vec_seg_99237_6","created_at":"2026-10-31T06:32:08Z","speaker_name":"Andre M. 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Are you ready for the question? All right. Um, all those in favor, signify by saying aye. Aye. Just be the end of this. Any discussion? No discussion. The motion passes. 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Uh, we've taken a vote. This part of the business is finished. We now have a, our second person. 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Appeal of citation related to fines, 286 True Road, uh, Bridgette Knopfler.","topics_json":"[\"public_safety\",\"zoning\"]","vector_id":"vec_seg_99353_136","created_at":"2026-10-31T05:59:03Z","speaker_name":null},{"id":"seg_99353_137","meeting_id":"99353","media_asset_id":"med_99353_1e4785bfd31b5d79","agenda_item_id":null,"speaker_id":"spk_99353_board_member","speaker_confidence":0.7,"start_sec":1626.94,"end_sec":1630.94,"text":"Okay, I'll excuse myself again.","topics_json":"[]","vector_id":"vec_seg_99353_137","created_at":"2026-10-31T05:59:03Z","speaker_name":null},{"id":"seg_99353_138","meeting_id":"99353","media_asset_id":"med_99353_1e4785bfd31b5d79","agenda_item_id":null,"speaker_id":"spk_99353_chair","speaker_confidence":0.8,"start_sec":1637.94,"end_sec":1639.94,"text":"Nice having you here.","topics_json":"[]","vector_id":"vec_seg_99353_138","created_at":"2026-10-31T05:59:03Z","speaker_name":null},{"id":"seg_99353_139","meeting_id":"99353","media_asset_id":"med_99353_1e4785bfd31b5d79","agenda_item_id":null,"speaker_id":"spk_99353_board_member","speaker_confidence":0.7,"start_sec":1639.94,"end_sec":1641.44,"text":"Yes.","topics_json":"[]","vector_id":"vec_seg_99353_139","created_at":"2026-10-31T05:59:03Z","speaker_name":null},{"id":"seg_99353_14","meeting_id":"99353","media_asset_id":"med_99353_1e4785bfd31b5d79","agenda_item_id":null,"speaker_id":"spk_99353_board_member","speaker_confidence":0.8,"start_sec":140.2,"end_sec":146.8,"text":"Yeah. 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She was advised that failure to come to the meeting would result in the city recommending the appeal be denied due to a no-show. She said she had other obligations. So, this meeting was, it was scheduled, it was the appellant was properly notified, she was aware that the meeting was today, and is not present. So, on behalf of the city, I recommend that item number two be denied due to no-show of the appellant. Thank you.","topics_json":"[]","vector_id":"vec_seg_99353_141","created_at":"2026-10-31T05:59:03Z","speaker_name":null},{"id":"seg_99353_142","meeting_id":"99353","media_asset_id":"med_99353_1e4785bfd31b5d79","agenda_item_id":null,"speaker_id":"spk_99353_board_member","speaker_confidence":0.9,"start_sec":1655.04,"end_sec":1669.24,"text":"For the record, can we read into the record what the the penalty was for? 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I had a tenant that I could never get a hold of who I ended up having to um I had to get her uh evicted from my from the property. And then the neighbor who when I was doing a renovations to the house, the neighbor advised me that there was the something posted to the door. Because I had done my my renovations, there was something posted to the door, and that's when I found out that this was something that had to be done. Because I changed my uh I changed my address with the City of Dover, but apparently I had to change it with the tax office, which I knew none of that. 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They I believe that's already been scheduled. They came out last week or two weeks ago. The inspection has already been done.","topics_json":"[\"housing\"]","vector_id":"vec_seg_99353_24","created_at":"2026-10-31T05:59:03Z","speaker_name":null},{"id":"seg_99353_25","meeting_id":"99353","media_asset_id":"med_99353_1e4785bfd31b5d79","agenda_item_id":null,"speaker_id":"spk_99353_board_member","speaker_confidence":1,"start_sec":256.65,"end_sec":260.52,"text":"Well, I'll ask the code inspectors what occurred because of that.","topics_json":"[\"housing\"]","vector_id":"vec_seg_99353_25","created_at":"2026-10-31T05:59:03Z","speaker_name":null},{"id":"seg_99353_26","meeting_id":"99353","media_asset_id":"med_99353_1e4785bfd31b5d79","agenda_item_id":null,"speaker_id":"spk_99353_code_inspector","speaker_confidence":1,"start_sec":261.4,"end_sec":275.33,"text":"Um, I did do an inspection on that property and if my memory is correct, there was a loose toilet and a smoke detector that wasn't working.","topics_json":"[\"housing\",\"public_safety\"]","vector_id":"vec_seg_99353_26","created_at":"2026-10-31T05:59:03Z","speaker_name":null},{"id":"seg_99353_27","meeting_id":"99353","media_asset_id":"med_99353_1e4785bfd31b5d79","agenda_item_id":null,"speaker_id":"spk_99353_board_member","speaker_confidence":1,"start_sec":276.59,"end_sec":279.22,"text":"Uh Mr. Kopp.","topics_json":"[\"housing\"]","vector_id":"vec_seg_99353_27","created_at":"2026-10-31T05:59:03Z","speaker_name":null},{"id":"seg_99353_28","meeting_id":"99353","media_asset_id":"med_99353_1e4785bfd31b5d79","agenda_item_id":null,"speaker_id":"spk_99353_eddie_kopp","speaker_confidence":1,"start_sec":279.54,"end_sec":320.99,"text":"All right. Eddie Kopp, Chief Code Enforcement Officer for the City of Dover. Um and I just want to reference Section 22-225 violations of the Dover Code of Ordinances. Uh item D, owner's address. The owner of The owner of the property shall be responsible for maintaining an accurate mailing address with the City of Dover Tax Office at all times. That is uh in the current City of Dover Code of Ordinances. Uh It It is an amendment of code, so on the on behalf of Code Enforcement, this was a violation of the code. So although the we did send to the last known address on file, the owner failed...","topics_json":"[\"housing\",\"taxes\"]","vector_id":"vec_seg_99353_28","created_at":"2026-10-31T05:59:03Z","speaker_name":"Eddie Kopp"},{"id":"seg_99353_29","meeting_id":"99353","media_asset_id":"med_99353_1e4785bfd31b5d79","agenda_item_id":null,"speaker_id":"spk_99353_code_enforcement_staff","speaker_confidence":0.9,"start_sec":320.99,"end_sec":346.79,"text":"able to uh follow the code under section 22-225. Uh so therefore uh we believe that this violation was issued in compliance with the code, and our interpretation is that it was issued lawfully and justly. Uh and on behalf of code enforcement, we would ask that the appeal be denied due to such.","topics_json":"[\"housing\"]","vector_id":"vec_seg_99353_29","created_at":"2026-10-31T05:59:03Z","speaker_name":null},{"id":"seg_99353_3","meeting_id":"99353","media_asset_id":"med_99353_1e4785bfd31b5d79","agenda_item_id":null,"speaker_id":"off_roy_sudler_jr","speaker_confidence":0.95,"start_sec":13.3,"end_sec":23.5,"text":"All right. It's been a motion to adopt the agenda as presented. It's been properly moved uh and seconded. Uh is there any discussion on the motion?","topics_json":"[]","vector_id":"vec_seg_99353_3","created_at":"2026-10-31T05:59:03Z","speaker_name":"Roy Sudler, Jr."},{"id":"seg_99353_30","meeting_id":"99353","media_asset_id":"med_99353_1e4785bfd31b5d79","agenda_item_id":null,"speaker_id":"spk_99353_board_member","speaker_confidence":0.9,"start_sec":347.49,"end_sec":364.09,"text":"So basically, you there is nothing in there to indicate there was a a change that you could send it to because I'm here looking at certified mail right here that this document that that I hold in my hand. 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So uh there was not compliance with section 225 of the Dover Code of Ordinances to update the tax office.","topics_json":"[\"housing\",\"taxes\"]","vector_id":"vec_seg_99353_33","created_at":"2026-10-31T05:59:03Z","speaker_name":null},{"id":"seg_99353_34","meeting_id":"99353","media_asset_id":"med_99353_1e4785bfd31b5d79","agenda_item_id":null,"speaker_id":"spk_99353_board_member_2","speaker_confidence":0.9,"start_sec":431.49,"end_sec":453.59,"text":"Excuse me. The the only question I have, and thanks for participating today, I appreciate that, is was there any reason that would prevent you from notifying the city of your address, the proper address? And then my second question is, when did your address change? 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So when it comes to the tax office, like I all that's part of my mortgage, like I don't no I had no idea that I had to contact them because the City of Dover had my address. Because I had to update it when I got like I said, when I got my license, and they contact me in regards to my rental license, I've gotten all that, like I've always had my rental license up to date. Anything other than that, like I've never like I said, this","topics_json":"[\"housing\",\"taxes\"]","vector_id":"vec_seg_99353_38","created_at":"2026-10-31T05:59:03Z","speaker_name":null},{"id":"seg_99353_39","meeting_id":"99353","media_asset_id":"med_99353_1e4785bfd31b5d79","agenda_item_id":null,"speaker_id":"off_roy_sudler_jr","speaker_confidence":0.95,"start_sec":481.48,"end_sec":482.98,"text":"So I just want to clarify--","topics_json":"[\"housing\"]","vector_id":"vec_seg_99353_39","created_at":"2026-10-31T05:59:03Z","speaker_name":"Roy Sudler, Jr."},{"id":"seg_99353_4","meeting_id":"99353","media_asset_id":"med_99353_1e4785bfd31b5d79","agenda_item_id":null,"speaker_id":"off_roy_sudler_jr","speaker_confidence":0.95,"start_sec":24.3,"end_sec":27.6,"text":"Hearing none, all those in favor, please stay by saying aye.","topics_json":"[]","vector_id":"vec_seg_99353_4","created_at":"2026-10-31T05:59:03Z","speaker_name":"Roy Sudler, Jr."},{"id":"seg_99353_40","meeting_id":"99353","media_asset_id":"med_99353_1e4785bfd31b5d79","agenda_item_id":null,"speaker_id":"spk_99353_appellant","speaker_confidence":0.9,"start_sec":482.98,"end_sec":483.98,"text":"I would have changed--","topics_json":"[\"housing\"]","vector_id":"vec_seg_99353_40","created_at":"2026-10-31T05:59:03Z","speaker_name":null},{"id":"seg_99353_41","meeting_id":"99353","media_asset_id":"med_99353_1e4785bfd31b5d79","agenda_item_id":null,"speaker_id":"off_roy_sudler_jr","speaker_confidence":0.95,"start_sec":483.98,"end_sec":538.78,"text":"Sorry for interrupting you. Your rental license was modified or updated back in approximately 2023, but the only thing that you did not update was the tax office?","topics_json":"[\"housing\",\"taxes\"]","vector_id":"vec_seg_99353_41","created_at":"2026-10-31T05:59:03Z","speaker_name":"Roy Sudler, Jr."},{"id":"seg_99353_42","meeting_id":"99353","media_asset_id":"med_99353_1e4785bfd31b5d79","agenda_item_id":null,"speaker_id":"spk_99353_appellant","speaker_confidence":0.9,"start_sec":538.98,"end_sec":551.48,"text":"Correct, I yes. I everything I got all communication in regards to from the City of Dover, my bills, my trash bills, my rental license, the renewal for my rental license, all that came to my address.","topics_json":"[\"housing\",\"taxes\"]","vector_id":"vec_seg_99353_42","created_at":"2026-10-31T05:59:03Z","speaker_name":null},{"id":"seg_99353_43","meeting_id":"99353","media_asset_id":"med_99353_1e4785bfd31b5d79","agenda_item_id":null,"speaker_id":"off_roy_sudler_jr","speaker_confidence":0.95,"start_sec":553.48,"end_sec":561.78,"text":"Mr. Coppola, just thank you for clarity. Is there a way do you have access to these entities, these that she's describing?","topics_json":"[\"housing\"]","vector_id":"vec_seg_99353_43","created_at":"2026-10-31T05:59:03Z","speaker_name":"Roy Sudler, Jr."},{"id":"seg_99353_44","meeting_id":"99353","media_asset_id":"med_99353_1e4785bfd31b5d79","agenda_item_id":null,"speaker_id":"spk_99353_eddie_coppola","speaker_confidence":0.95,"start_sec":561.98,"end_sec":563.78,"text":"To the rental dwelling permit?","topics_json":"[\"housing\"]","vector_id":"vec_seg_99353_44","created_at":"2026-10-31T05:59:03Z","speaker_name":"Eddie Coppola"},{"id":"seg_99353_45","meeting_id":"99353","media_asset_id":"med_99353_1e4785bfd31b5d79","agenda_item_id":null,"speaker_id":"off_roy_sudler_jr","speaker_confidence":0.95,"start_sec":563.98,"end_sec":564.78,"text":"Yeah.","topics_json":"[\"housing\"]","vector_id":"vec_seg_99353_45","created_at":"2026-10-31T05:59:03Z","speaker_name":"Roy Sudler, Jr."},{"id":"seg_99353_46","meeting_id":"99353","media_asset_id":"med_99353_1e4785bfd31b5d79","agenda_item_id":null,"speaker_id":"spk_99353_eddie_coppola","speaker_confidence":0.95,"start_sec":564.98,"end_sec":574.78,"text":"We do, um. We do have access to rental dwelling permit, but by code, we have to go by the tax records. So we have to look to the last known address on file","topics_json":"[\"housing\",\"taxes\"]","vector_id":"vec_seg_99353_46","created_at":"2026-10-31T05:59:03Z","speaker_name":"Eddie Coppola"},{"id":"seg_99353_47","meeting_id":"99353","media_asset_id":"med_99353_1e4785bfd31b5d79","agenda_item_id":null,"speaker_id":"spk_99353_edward_kopp","speaker_confidence":0.9,"start_sec":534.98,"end_sec":601.18,"text":"there was an issue with owners not updating their address, which is why it was further embedded into code, which is why it's in the code now. So it is the responsibility of the owners and the citizens to verify the code. Um, to further explain that is if you're speeding down the highway, right? You can't use the excuse you didn't know. So the ignorance of the speed limits is not, it's not a defense, um, when it comes to these things. So just like you could say, 'Oh hey, I didn't know the speed limit was 55', it's your responsibility to, to verify that. Um, same thing with the code. It's your responsibility to ensure that you comply with the code, especially if you're conducting a business, and rentals are businesses. Um, one of the things we try to educate people on quite frequently is familiarize yourself with the code, understand the code, um, and do research. 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So how does she get her tax bill?","topics_json":"[\"taxes\",\"housing\"]","vector_id":"vec_seg_99353_51","created_at":"2026-10-31T05:59:03Z","speaker_name":null},{"id":"seg_99353_52","meeting_id":"99353","media_asset_id":"med_99353_1e4785bfd31b5d79","agenda_item_id":null,"speaker_id":"spk_99353_edward_kopp","speaker_confidence":0.9,"start_sec":622.98,"end_sec":640.68,"text":"So, uh, I don't, it's being sent out to 48 Heatherfield Way. Um, I do know there's a way to opt in to electronic, and a lot of places with the tax bill will have it come straight out of your mortgage. So, uh, we hear a lot of people just disregard that bill.","topics_json":"[\"taxes\",\"housing\"]","vector_id":"vec_seg_99353_52","created_at":"2026-10-31T05:59:03Z","speaker_name":"Edward Kopp"},{"id":"seg_99353_53","meeting_id":"99353","media_asset_id":"med_99353_1e4785bfd31b5d79","agenda_item_id":null,"speaker_id":"spk_99353_board_member","speaker_confidence":0.85,"start_sec":640.68,"end_sec":641.98,"text":"So without","topics_json":"[\"taxes\"]","vector_id":"vec_seg_99353_53","created_at":"2026-10-31T05:59:03Z","speaker_name":null},{"id":"seg_99353_54","meeting_id":"99353","media_asset_id":"med_99353_1e4785bfd31b5d79","agenda_item_id":null,"speaker_id":"spk_99353_board_member_1","speaker_confidence":0.85,"start_sec":641.98,"end_sec":657.33,"text":"words, if the tax bill got there to her, then why wouldn't the the address sent to her in March not get to her?","topics_json":"[\"taxes\",\"housing\"]","vector_id":"vec_seg_99353_54","created_at":"2026-10-31T05:59:03Z","speaker_name":null},{"id":"seg_99353_55","meeting_id":"99353","media_asset_id":"med_99353_1e4785bfd31b5d79","agenda_item_id":null,"speaker_id":"spk_99353_board_member_2","speaker_confidence":0.8,"start_sec":657.58,"end_sec":662.28,"text":"Pardon me. I'm sorry. I don't I don't have that one. That's the next one.","topics_json":"[]","vector_id":"vec_seg_99353_55","created_at":"2026-10-31T05:59:03Z","speaker_name":null},{"id":"seg_99353_56","meeting_id":"99353","media_asset_id":"med_99353_1e4785bfd31b5d79","agenda_item_id":null,"speaker_id":"spk_99353_city_staff_1","speaker_confidence":0.9,"start_sec":662.88,"end_sec":684.78,"text":"So, by code, we have to send first class or certified mail. Yeah. Um, the tax bill, I believe they can send via email. We cannot. So, we have to send to the last known address on file. And it has to be a physical mailing address. So, it could be that the tax bill was emailed. I I can't speak to that. I I can't say.","topics_json":"[\"taxes\",\"housing\"]","vector_id":"vec_seg_99353_56","created_at":"2026-10-31T05:59:03Z","speaker_name":null},{"id":"seg_99353_57","meeting_id":"99353","media_asset_id":"med_99353_1e4785bfd31b5d79","agenda_item_id":null,"speaker_id":"spk_99353_board_member_1","speaker_confidence":0.9,"start_sec":684.78,"end_sec":687.38,"text":"That she got, but this notice she did not.","topics_json":"[\"housing\"]","vector_id":"vec_seg_99353_57","created_at":"2026-10-31T05:59:03Z","speaker_name":null},{"id":"seg_99353_58","meeting_id":"99353","media_asset_id":"med_99353_1e4785bfd31b5d79","agenda_item_id":null,"speaker_id":"spk_99353_city_staff_1","speaker_confidence":0.9,"start_sec":687.38,"end_sec":688.28,"text":"Correct.","topics_json":"[]","vector_id":"vec_seg_99353_58","created_at":"2026-10-31T05:59:03Z","speaker_name":null},{"id":"seg_99353_59","meeting_id":"99353","media_asset_id":"med_99353_1e4785bfd31b5d79","agenda_item_id":null,"speaker_id":"spk_99353_board_member_1","speaker_confidence":0.85,"start_sec":688.48,"end_sec":698.08,"text":"Okay. I don't I don't see any forgiveness on this. What What What is the actual tax?","topics_json":"[\"taxes\"]","vector_id":"vec_seg_99353_59","created_at":"2026-10-31T05:59:03Z","speaker_name":null},{"id":"seg_99353_6","meeting_id":"99353","media_asset_id":"med_99353_1e4785bfd31b5d79","agenda_item_id":null,"speaker_id":"off_roy_sudler_jr","speaker_confidence":0.95,"start_sec":28.6,"end_sec":33.7,"text":"Those opposed, please say by saying nay. 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Um I am close friends with uh her father, uh Ron Lockerman, so I'm going to step out and ask for Council President to uh preside over this matter.","topics_json":"[]","vector_id":"vec_seg_99353_8","created_at":"2026-10-31T05:59:03Z","speaker_name":"Roy Sudler, Jr."},{"id":"seg_99353_80","meeting_id":"99353","media_asset_id":"med_99353_1e4785bfd31b5d79","agenda_item_id":null,"speaker_id":"off_donyale_m_hall","speaker_confidence":0.9,"start_sec":814.27,"end_sec":855.77,"text":"So I I I find a little bit fault right there uh of code enforcement, to tell you the truth. If in As a homeowner, if I have everything run by my mortgage company, and you're sending an at- uh uh code enforcement to an address that I'm renting, and you have that uh somebody could have easily taken notices off if you stapled it, or even if you mailed it, it it's I I find it just a little iffy on how are you supposed to get something if you're not at that residence? Even though you Not everybody knows you're supposed to update this, that, and the other.","topics_json":"[\"housing\",\"taxes\"]","vector_id":"vec_seg_99353_80","created_at":"2026-10-31T05:59:03Z","speaker_name":"Donyale M. Hall"},{"id":"seg_99353_81","meeting_id":"99353","media_asset_id":"med_99353_1e4785bfd31b5d79","agenda_item_id":null,"speaker_id":"spk_99353_board_member","speaker_confidence":0.85,"start_sec":855.97,"end_sec":902.17,"text":"I mean, how to say it or whatever, I know we have to contact code enforcement because I've done it before, but in respect of if it's done through a mortgage company and you're sending a notice to the address and that person that is renting that property doesn't visit that address and open the mailbox and say, \"Look, I got a notice.\" They're not going to know what you know, what is what, unless, of course, you send it to their name or an email that you may have on file. Did we reach out, you know, in other forms to reach this young lady about this code enforcement issue, Mr. Cobb?","topics_json":"[\"housing\",\"zoning\"]","vector_id":"vec_seg_99353_81","created_at":"2026-10-31T05:59:03Z","speaker_name":null},{"id":"seg_99353_82","meeting_id":"99353","media_asset_id":"med_99353_1e4785bfd31b5d79","agenda_item_id":null,"speaker_id":"spk_99353_mr_cobb","speaker_confidence":0.9,"start_sec":902.47,"end_sec":992.77,"text":"Um so to respond, by code and by legal opinion, we cannot reach out via email. We have to send first class um or certified mail according to the code. Uh this has been an issue in the past where tenants um sabotage the mail, which is why there's a provision in code. And that should be your interpretation. The provision in code was it's the owner's responsibility to maintain um a current address with the tax office. The issue at hand is that wasn't done. So had the owner followed through with the requirements of code, she would have been properly notified. But the the failure to do so is why it which is why the mail was sent to the rental dwelling.","topics_json":"[\"housing\",\"zoning\"]","vector_id":"vec_seg_99353_82","created_at":"2026-10-31T05:59:03Z","speaker_name":"Mr. Cobb"},{"id":"seg_99353_83","meeting_id":"99353","media_asset_id":"med_99353_1e4785bfd31b5d79","agenda_item_id":null,"speaker_id":"spk_99353_board_member","speaker_confidence":0.85,"start_sec":993.17,"end_sec":1000.47,"text":"Okay. So you originally did not have the the the um owner of the property's original address?","topics_json":"[\"housing\"]","vector_id":"vec_seg_99353_83","created_at":"2026-10-31T05:59:03Z","speaker_name":null},{"id":"seg_99353_84","meeting_id":"99353","media_asset_id":"med_99353_1e4785bfd31b5d79","agenda_item_id":null,"speaker_id":"spk_99353_mr_cobb","speaker_confidence":0.9,"start_sec":1000.97,"end_sec":1002.77,"text":"We had the last known address on file.","topics_json":"[\"housing\"]","vector_id":"vec_seg_99353_84","created_at":"2026-10-31T05:59:03Z","speaker_name":"Mr. Cobb"},{"id":"seg_99353_85","meeting_id":"99353","media_asset_id":"med_99353_1e4785bfd31b5d79","agenda_item_id":null,"speaker_id":"spk_99353_board_member","speaker_confidence":0.85,"start_sec":964.06,"end_sec":967.56,"text":"Is that Is that still her address, or is that not her address?","topics_json":"[\"housing\",\"zoning\"]","vector_id":"vec_seg_99353_85","created_at":"2026-10-31T05:59:03Z","speaker_name":null},{"id":"seg_99353_86","meeting_id":"99353","media_asset_id":"med_99353_1e4785bfd31b5d79","agenda_item_id":null,"speaker_id":"spk_99353_city_staff","speaker_confidence":0.85,"start_sec":968.36,"end_sec":980.46,"text":"So, the last known address on file is what she provided. The last address she provided to the tax office was 48 Heatherfield Way. Legally, that's the address we have to go by. So,","topics_json":"[\"taxes\",\"housing\",\"zoning\"]","vector_id":"vec_seg_99353_86","created_at":"2026-10-31T05:59:03Z","speaker_name":null},{"id":"seg_99353_87","meeting_id":"99353","media_asset_id":"med_99353_1e4785bfd31b5d79","agenda_item_id":null,"speaker_id":"spk_99353_board_member","speaker_confidence":0.85,"start_sec":981.66,"end_sec":999.56,"text":"And as far as the certified mail, was it signed certified mail? Like did she receive this or was it just certified as delivered through the mail and if it's not opened or picked up, it's left at the at the uh post office?","topics_json":"[\"housing\",\"zoning\"]","vector_id":"vec_seg_99353_87","created_at":"2026-10-31T05:59:03Z","speaker_name":null},{"id":"seg_99353_88","meeting_id":"99353","media_asset_id":"med_99353_1e4785bfd31b5d79","agenda_item_id":null,"speaker_id":"spk_99353_city_staff","speaker_confidence":0.85,"start_sec":1000.06,"end_sec":1088.06,"text":"So it was posted to the property, but if if I may, um, I want to read into the record, um, 2009 International Property Maintenance Code Section 107.3, Method of Service: Such notice shall be deemed to be properly served if a copy thereof is personally delivered, sent via certified or first class mail and addressed to the last known address, or if the notice is returned showing that the letter was not delivered, a copy thereof shall be posted in a conspicuous place in or about the structure affected by such notice. Uh So, in accordance to code, it was sent via certified mail. When it was returned, it was placed in conspicuous place uh on or about the structure affected by such notice, so that is in compliance with the code.","topics_json":"[\"housing\",\"zoning\",\"public_safety\"]","vector_id":"vec_seg_99353_88","created_at":"2026-10-31T05:59:03Z","speaker_name":null},{"id":"seg_99353_89","meeting_id":"99353","media_asset_id":"med_99353_1e4785bfd31b5d79","agenda_item_id":null,"speaker_id":"spk_99353_board_member","speaker_confidence":0.85,"start_sec":1089.76,"end_sec":1109.96,"text":"Okay. I I'm I I'm still I'm I'm still on on on the edge of it wasn't placed in the person's hands to say, okay, she received it. That that's I mean, you can stick and I can stick a notice on your door that says, you know, meet me for lunch at 10:00, and the wind blow it off, and then you go--","topics_json":"[\"housing\",\"zoning\"]","vector_id":"vec_seg_99353_89","created_at":"2026-10-31T05:59:03Z","speaker_name":null},{"id":"seg_99353_9","meeting_id":"99353","media_asset_id":"med_99353_1e4785bfd31b5d79","agenda_item_id":null,"speaker_id":"off_fred_a_neil","speaker_confidence":0.95,"start_sec":77.9,"end_sec":98,"text":"Okay. Let's uh have a report from our code inspectors, if you would please, in terms of the the notice to Morgan Lockerman at 48 Heathfield uh May Way in Dover.","topics_json":"[\"housing\",\"zoning\"]","vector_id":"vec_seg_99353_9","created_at":"2026-10-31T05:59:03Z","speaker_name":"Fred A. 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So, to alleviate the posting of the notice, if the address was updated in accordance with code, it would never had to be posted to the door. But in accordance with code, and this isn't best practice, this is the international code. This is This is what happens throughout the country is we send it certified mail, in the event it is sent back, it's then posted to the property. That's in accordance with code.","topics_json":"[\"housing\"]","vector_id":"vec_seg_99353_93","created_at":"2026-10-31T05:59:03Z","speaker_name":null},{"id":"seg_99353_94","meeting_id":"99353","media_asset_id":"med_99353_1e4785bfd31b5d79","agenda_item_id":null,"speaker_id":"spk_99353_male_speaker","speaker_confidence":0.9,"start_sec":1123.6,"end_sec":1124.8,"text":"So, it's","topics_json":"[]","vector_id":"vec_seg_99353_94","created_at":"2026-10-31T05:59:03Z","speaker_name":null},{"id":"seg_99353_95","meeting_id":"99353","media_asset_id":"med_99353_1e4785bfd31b5d79","agenda_item_id":null,"speaker_id":"spk_99353_female_speaker","speaker_confidence":0.9,"start_sec":1124.8,"end_sec":1176.96,"text":"Okay. And where where do Where do we, um, in generalization as a homeowner, where would I know find this knowledge that I'm supposed to update things and and everything else if you have an address of where the violation is happening? Why would you send it to a different address of where the violation is not? It it's kind of like what my question is, there's a violation at this address, yes, you sent the the notices to the last known address, which is the one that has the violations, but in in respect that if you're sending it to where she lives now, then that would it wouldn't be a violation of where she's living now. It'd be a violation of a property that she owns. So, you should technically have all that information if, you know, she moved.","topics_json":"[\"housing\"]","vector_id":"vec_seg_99353_95","created_at":"2026-10-31T05:59:03Z","speaker_name":null},{"id":"seg_99353_96","meeting_id":"99353","media_asset_id":"med_99353_1e4785bfd31b5d79","agenda_item_id":null,"speaker_id":"spk_99353_female_speaker","speaker_confidence":0.9,"start_sec":1176.96,"end_sec":1191.46,"text":"and now using that place as a rental property. So I I think it's a a negligence in both respects that, you know, code enforcement didn't reach out a little bit when, you know, a little bit more, to tell you the truth.","topics_json":"[\"housing\",\"zoning\"]","vector_id":"vec_seg_99353_96","created_at":"2026-10-31T05:59:03Z","speaker_name":null},{"id":"seg_99353_97","meeting_id":"99353","media_asset_id":"med_99353_1e4785bfd31b5d79","agenda_item_id":null,"speaker_id":"spk_99353_male_speaker_1","speaker_confidence":0.9,"start_sec":1191.66,"end_sec":1211.16,"text":"Well, if if I could, it's not negligence on the behalf of code enforcement because we follow the code. It's It's black and white. So, it's we we did follow the code, and I understand your opinion on the matter, but the the the code, it's about the interpretation of code, and we follow the code to the T.","topics_json":"[\"housing\",\"zoning\"]","vector_id":"vec_seg_99353_97","created_at":"2026-10-31T05:59:03Z","speaker_name":null},{"id":"seg_99353_98","meeting_id":"99353","media_asset_id":"med_99353_1e4785bfd31b5d79","agenda_item_id":null,"speaker_id":"spk_99353_female_speaker","speaker_confidence":0.9,"start_sec":1211.16,"end_sec":1282.76,"text":"The interpretation of code means when you certify something and someone receives certification, that means it reached that person certified. So you guys didn't hand that notification to the the owner of this property that's renting it. You left it for her to find on a door. So by code, technically, certification means it being presented to that person in their hands for certification that they received it.","topics_json":"[\"housing\",\"zoning\"]","vector_id":"vec_seg_99353_98","created_at":"2026-10-31T05:59:03Z","speaker_name":null},{"id":"seg_99353_99","meeting_id":"99353","media_asset_id":"med_99353_1e4785bfd31b5d79","agenda_item_id":null,"speaker_id":"spk_99353_male_speaker_2","speaker_confidence":0.85,"start_sec":1282.76,"end_sec":1323.86,"text":"Okay. So Can I just want to say I I Okay. I appreciate I applaud you for all your you're an amazing articulate, I really do. My daughter works for the judges in in this in the county, and she deals with she's a negotiator mediator. I'm just on a side note. And their rules are kind of they're kind of weird a little bit when it comes to eviction. But they they all do You would think they would have better rules. In this circumstance, he they're following they're complying 100%. 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I'm an architect with, uh, Studio JAED Architects and Engineers.","topics_json":"[\"housing\",\"business\"]","vector_id":"vec_seg_99562_10","created_at":"2026-10-31T06:10:59Z","speaker_name":"David Mengers"},{"id":"seg_99562_100","meeting_id":"99562","media_asset_id":"med_99562_e480c7910119af4c","agenda_item_id":null,"speaker_id":"spk_99562_board_member","speaker_confidence":0.9,"start_sec":1283,"end_sec":1288,"text":"Uh I'll make a motion to uh accept the appeal.","topics_json":"[\"housing\"]","vector_id":"vec_seg_99562_100","created_at":"2026-10-31T06:10:59Z","speaker_name":null},{"id":"seg_99562_101","meeting_id":"99562","media_asset_id":"med_99562_e480c7910119af4c","agenda_item_id":null,"speaker_id":"spk_99562_board_member","speaker_confidence":0.9,"start_sec":1288.5,"end_sec":1290,"text":"I'll second it.","topics_json":"[\"housing\"]","vector_id":"vec_seg_99562_101","created_at":"2026-10-31T06:10:59Z","speaker_name":null},{"id":"seg_99562_102","meeting_id":"99562","media_asset_id":"med_99562_e480c7910119af4c","agenda_item_id":null,"speaker_id":"spk_99562_board_chair","speaker_confidence":0.9,"start_sec":1290,"end_sec":1294.2,"text":"It's been properly moved and seconded. 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A representative from Delaware State University has arrived. Could you introduce yourself for the record and your position?","topics_json":"[\"housing\",\"zoning\"]","vector_id":"vec_seg_99562_108","created_at":"2026-10-31T06:10:59Z","speaker_name":"Roy Sudler, Jr."},{"id":"seg_99562_109","meeting_id":"99562","media_asset_id":"med_99562_e480c7910119af4c","agenda_item_id":null,"speaker_id":"spk_99562_bernard_pratt","speaker_confidence":0.95,"start_sec":1301.72,"end_sec":1308.92,"text":"Oh, yeah. I'm sorry about that. Yes, my name is Bernard Pratt. 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And you also have a representative of the contractor on the, online? Yes. 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We- we- there were some uh last minute adjustments to the schedule of the meeting, and uh, so, they are- I spoke to uh one of the Associate Vice Presidents named Bernard Pratt, he's en route to come to the meeting.","topics_json":"[]","vector_id":"vec_seg_99562_13","created_at":"2026-10-31T06:10:59Z","speaker_name":null},{"id":"seg_99562_130","meeting_id":"99562","media_asset_id":"med_99562_e480c7910119af4c","agenda_item_id":null,"speaker_id":"spk_99562_code_official","speaker_confidence":0.9,"start_sec":1588.95,"end_sec":1598.05,"text":"And at that point, that's when um the college or university filed for an appeal. And that's where we stand.","topics_json":"[]","vector_id":"vec_seg_99562_130","created_at":"2026-10-31T06:11:00Z","speaker_name":null},{"id":"seg_99562_131","meeting_id":"99562","media_asset_id":"med_99562_e480c7910119af4c","agenda_item_id":null,"speaker_id":"spk_99562_board_chair","speaker_confidence":0.9,"start_sec":1598.45,"end_sec":1602.95,"text":"All right. Thank you. Uh, um All right. These it's your turn.","topics_json":"[]","vector_id":"vec_seg_99562_131","created_at":"2026-10-31T06:11:00Z","speaker_name":null},{"id":"seg_99562_132","meeting_id":"99562","media_asset_id":"med_99562_e480c7910119af4c","agenda_item_id":null,"speaker_id":"spk_99562_board_member","speaker_confidence":0.8,"start_sec":1603.25,"end_sec":1605.25,"text":"So, I have Mr. David","topics_json":"[]","vector_id":"vec_seg_99562_132","created_at":"2026-10-31T06:11:00Z","speaker_name":null},{"id":"seg_99562_133","meeting_id":"99562","media_asset_id":"med_99562_e480c7910119af4c","agenda_item_id":null,"speaker_id":"spk_99562_chunk16_speaker_1","speaker_confidence":0.8,"start_sec":1605.27,"end_sec":1636.97,"text":"is here from Studio JA. From the time that we heard of this concern, we did step in to take initiative to get this everything repaired, resolve all the concerns. We have put in for a grant and a grant was rewarded. So we we're in that stage of receiving the funds to bring everything up to specs as well as this is an historical location. 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That hurts.","topics_json":"[]","vector_id":"vec_seg_99562_168","created_at":"2026-10-31T06:11:00Z","speaker_name":null},{"id":"seg_99562_169","meeting_id":"99562","media_asset_id":"med_99562_e480c7910119af4c","agenda_item_id":null,"speaker_id":"spk_99562_david","speaker_confidence":0.85,"start_sec":1958.53,"end_sec":1959.83,"text":"Flag gone.","topics_json":"[]","vector_id":"vec_seg_99562_169","created_at":"2026-10-31T06:11:00Z","speaker_name":"David"},{"id":"seg_99562_17","meeting_id":"99562","media_asset_id":"med_99562_e480c7910119af4c","agenda_item_id":null,"speaker_id":"spk_99562_jocelyn_jones","speaker_confidence":0.95,"start_sec":214.04,"end_sec":216.84,"text":"Yeah. Yes, I'm here. Jocelyn Jones.","topics_json":"[]","vector_id":"vec_seg_99562_17","created_at":"2026-10-31T06:10:59Z","speaker_name":"Jocelyn Jones"},{"id":"seg_99562_170","meeting_id":"99562","media_asset_id":"med_99562_e480c7910119af4c","agenda_item_id":null,"speaker_id":"spk_99562_council_member","speaker_confidence":0.7,"start_sec":1959.83,"end_sec":1964.13,"text":"Okay. All right. As a veteran, please. That that, uh—","topics_json":"[]","vector_id":"vec_seg_99562_170","created_at":"2026-10-31T06:11:00Z","speaker_name":null},{"id":"seg_99562_171","meeting_id":"99562","media_asset_id":"med_99562_e480c7910119af4c","agenda_item_id":null,"speaker_id":"spk_99562_council_member","speaker_confidence":0.7,"start_sec":1964.13,"end_sec":1975.23,"text":"So with that said, it sounds that that that they're in the process. What would be the decision to hold in abeyance for six months to see to see about the grant? 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Simply because why sweep taxpayers' money when we know something's happening. And I think the thing is to make sure that it is on, and it is not pushed back, and that we're moving forward on it. So I'm agreeable to any time that they want to do to do this, because we're neighbors. This is part of our life, and that's part of the history of the city.","topics_json":"[\"taxes\",\"budget\"]","vector_id":"vec_seg_99562_174","created_at":"2026-10-31T06:11:00Z","speaker_name":"Fred A. Neil"},{"id":"seg_99562_175","meeting_id":"99562","media_asset_id":"med_99562_e480c7910119af4c","agenda_item_id":null,"speaker_id":"spk_99562_board_member","speaker_confidence":0.85,"start_sec":2033.35,"end_sec":2040.35,"text":"And so, and it's a magnificent part of the city. My God, you look at it and you say, like, this is marvelous. 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So with that said, we will hear from a member from Code Enforcement regarding this property.","topics_json":"[\"housing\"]","vector_id":"vec_seg_99562_18","created_at":"2026-10-31T06:10:59Z","speaker_name":null},{"id":"seg_99562_180","meeting_id":"99562","media_asset_id":"med_99562_e480c7910119af4c","agenda_item_id":null,"speaker_id":"spk_99562_board_member","speaker_confidence":0.85,"start_sec":2089.75,"end_sec":2137.15,"text":"It's a It's okay for me. I mean, we can go back and check at it. 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But we are proceeding with putting this out to bid, uh, with qualified contractors who are who are, um, qualified by the state in historic preservation. And we've we've made painstaking uh, uh,","topics_json":"[]","vector_id":"vec_seg_99562_185","created_at":"2026-10-31T06:11:00Z","speaker_name":"Dean"},{"id":"seg_99562_186","meeting_id":"99562","media_asset_id":"med_99562_e480c7910119af4c","agenda_item_id":null,"speaker_id":"spk_99562_applicant","speaker_confidence":0.9,"start_sec":2140.36,"end_sec":2183.96,"text":"you know, detailing to meet the, the requirements for the Department of the Interior and, as established by the National Park Service and it's going to be reviewed by the, uh, the Division of Cultural and Historic Affairs, whose building is directly facing directly across from this building. Okay. We've, we've been working with them all along. They are familiar with it. They have reviewed it and approved it at every step. They will continue to review it. But it will take uh about three months to get the bidding out and be awarded. And, um, at that point, uh we will submit for building permits and move forward with the, with the restoration so that I can't guarantee that it will all be completed in six months, but it will be well started.","topics_json":"[\"zoning\",\"housing\"]","vector_id":"vec_seg_99562_186","created_at":"2026-10-31T06:11:00Z","speaker_name":null},{"id":"seg_99562_187","meeting_id":"99562","media_asset_id":"med_99562_e480c7910119af4c","agenda_item_id":null,"speaker_id":"spk_99562_board_chair","speaker_confidence":0.85,"start_sec":2183.96,"end_sec":2191.36,"text":"But yeah, if you if you if you're obtaining your permits, and every step of the way, if you're communicating, that's that's that's it. 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We're, we're dealing directly with the National Park Service and the Division of Cultural and Historic Affairs to make sure that the building is renovated in accordance with national standards, uh, uh, you know, that are established by the National Park Service. And we we've just been working along with you know, we've been co- coordinating all along with with DCHA as well.","topics_json":"[\"zoning\",\"housing\"]","vector_id":"vec_seg_99562_189","created_at":"2026-10-31T06:11:00Z","speaker_name":null},{"id":"seg_99562_19","meeting_id":"99562","media_asset_id":"med_99562_e480c7910119af4c","agenda_item_id":null,"speaker_id":"spk_99562_john_england","speaker_confidence":0.95,"start_sec":224.34,"end_sec":321.04,"text":"Yes, sir. I'm John England, code enforcement officer with the City of Dover for the last five years. This I'm going to give a little backstory on this property, case number 24-4918. The dangerous condemnation case was opened up on December 17th, 2024, due to the property being vacant since 1/2 of 2020. The back history: on 6/5/2020, case 20-1384 was opened up by Code Enforcement Officer Ron Coburn, and at the time, it was owner Sarah Jones. On 7/7/2020, the property was registered as vacant by the city staff. Based on Kent County records, property transferred ownership on August 21st, 2020, from Sarah E. Jones to Jocelyn V. Jones. On April 9th, 2021, the case was closed due to a transfer of ownership, the new owners being Jocelyn V. Jones and Dwayne E. Jones. And then, on the same day, case number 21-1130 was opened up under the new owner's information, so that was a vacant building case. 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Uh, Chief, you have a question?","topics_json":"[]","vector_id":"vec_seg_99562_190","created_at":"2026-10-31T06:11:00Z","speaker_name":null},{"id":"seg_99562_191","meeting_id":"99562","media_asset_id":"med_99562_e480c7910119af4c","agenda_item_id":null,"speaker_id":"spk_99562_chief","speaker_confidence":0.85,"start_sec":2268.76,"end_sec":2276.86,"text":"Uh, so just for clarification, you can have a permit submitted to Planning and Inspections within the six months?","topics_json":"[\"zoning\"]","vector_id":"vec_seg_99562_191","created_at":"2026-10-31T06:11:00Z","speaker_name":null},{"id":"seg_99562_192","meeting_id":"99562","media_asset_id":"med_99562_e480c7910119af4c","agenda_item_id":null,"speaker_id":"spk_99562_applicant","speaker_confidence":0.9,"start_sec":2276.86,"end_sec":2283.16,"text":"That's the goal, yes. The, that goal is to get the permit submitted and, and hopefully start work, yes.","topics_json":"[\"zoning\"]","vector_id":"vec_seg_99562_192","created_at":"2026-10-31T06:11:00Z","speaker_name":null},{"id":"seg_99562_193","meeting_id":"99562","media_asset_id":"med_99562_e480c7910119af4c","agenda_item_id":null,"speaker_id":"spk_99562_chief","speaker_confidence":0.85,"start_sec":2283.16,"end_sec":2287.36,"text":"Cuz on our end, as from code inspectors, that's what we're looking for, is--","topics_json":"[\"zoning\"]","vector_id":"vec_seg_99562_193","created_at":"2026-10-31T06:11:00Z","speaker_name":null},{"id":"seg_99562_194","meeting_id":"99562","media_asset_id":"med_99562_e480c7910119af4c","agenda_item_id":null,"speaker_id":"spk_99562_applicant","speaker_confidence":0.85,"start_sec":2247.38,"end_sec":2252.18,"text":"get that paper. And submitting that permit with with the list of contractors instead, that goes a long way.","topics_json":"[\"housing\"]","vector_id":"vec_seg_99562_194","created_at":"2026-10-31T06:11:00Z","speaker_name":null},{"id":"seg_99562_195","meeting_id":"99562","media_asset_id":"med_99562_e480c7910119af4c","agenda_item_id":null,"speaker_id":"spk_99562_applicant_representative","speaker_confidence":0.9,"start_sec":2252.38,"end_sec":2270.68,"text":"So let me step in real quick. Along the way, we will keep you guys informed. We will send over any documentation. We'll let you know which stage we are in. So if we get into the 6 months and it look like any kind of concern at all that it's not going to be for another month, you guys would definitely have an email from Mr. Khalid or Mr. Dave Mingers or myself. 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Boggerty"},{"id":"seg_99562_20","meeting_id":"99562","media_asset_id":"med_99562_e480c7910119af4c","agenda_item_id":null,"speaker_id":"spk_99562_city_staff","speaker_confidence":0.9,"start_sec":321.05,"end_sec":341.85,"text":"And, um, since then, there has never been any electric utilities at this property under the new owners. Last recorded utilities was, um, January 2nd, 2020 under the name of E&J Westover Liquors.","topics_json":"[\"housing\",\"business\"]","vector_id":"vec_seg_99562_20","created_at":"2026-10-31T06:10:59Z","speaker_name":null},{"id":"seg_99562_200","meeting_id":"99562","media_asset_id":"med_99562_e480c7910119af4c","agenda_item_id":null,"speaker_id":"spk_99562_board_member","speaker_confidence":0.9,"start_sec":2279.48,"end_sec":2299.78,"text":"Oh, yeah. All right. I make a motion that we uh suspend this for 6 months, and as long as they're keeping us informed and uh pulling permits, then there should be no fine issued.","topics_json":"[\"housing\"]","vector_id":"vec_seg_99562_200","created_at":"2026-10-31T06:11:00Z","speaker_name":null},{"id":"seg_99562_201","meeting_id":"99562","media_asset_id":"med_99562_e480c7910119af4c","agenda_item_id":null,"speaker_id":"off_roy_sudler_jr","speaker_confidence":0.9,"start_sec":2300.38,"end_sec":2303.78,"text":"All right, it's been properly moved and seconded. Are you ready for the question?","topics_json":"[]","vector_id":"vec_seg_99562_201","created_at":"2026-10-31T06:11:00Z","speaker_name":"Roy Sudler, Jr."},{"id":"seg_99562_202","meeting_id":"99562","media_asset_id":"med_99562_e480c7910119af4c","agenda_item_id":null,"speaker_id":"off_andre_m_boggerty","speaker_confidence":0.8,"start_sec":2303.88,"end_sec":2305.18,"text":"Need need a second.","topics_json":"[]","vector_id":"vec_seg_99562_202","created_at":"2026-10-31T06:11:00Z","speaker_name":"Andre M. Boggerty"},{"id":"seg_99562_203","meeting_id":"99562","media_asset_id":"med_99562_e480c7910119af4c","agenda_item_id":null,"speaker_id":"spk_99562_board_member_3","speaker_confidence":0.9,"start_sec":2305.28,"end_sec":2306.18,"text":"Okay, thank you. Second.","topics_json":"[]","vector_id":"vec_seg_99562_203","created_at":"2026-10-31T06:11:00Z","speaker_name":null},{"id":"seg_99562_204","meeting_id":"99562","media_asset_id":"med_99562_e480c7910119af4c","agenda_item_id":null,"speaker_id":"off_roy_sudler_jr","speaker_confidence":0.9,"start_sec":2306.28,"end_sec":2308.88,"text":"Uh all those in favor, signify by saying aye.","topics_json":"[]","vector_id":"vec_seg_99562_204","created_at":"2026-10-31T06:11:00Z","speaker_name":"Roy Sudler, Jr."},{"id":"seg_99562_205","meeting_id":"99562","media_asset_id":"med_99562_e480c7910119af4c","agenda_item_id":null,"speaker_id":"spk_99562_board_member","speaker_confidence":0.85,"start_sec":2308.88,"end_sec":2309.88,"text":"Aye.","topics_json":"[]","vector_id":"vec_seg_99562_205","created_at":"2026-10-31T06:11:00Z","speaker_name":null},{"id":"seg_99562_206","meeting_id":"99562","media_asset_id":"med_99562_e480c7910119af4c","agenda_item_id":null,"speaker_id":"spk_99562_board_member","speaker_confidence":0.9,"start_sec":2309.88,"end_sec":2316.38,"text":"I understand there's discussion. I was just going to say about the fine and whether we're going to remove the fine at this time.","topics_json":"[\"housing\"]","vector_id":"vec_seg_99562_206","created_at":"2026-10-31T06:11:00Z","speaker_name":null},{"id":"seg_99562_207","meeting_id":"99562","media_asset_id":"med_99562_e480c7910119af4c","agenda_item_id":null,"speaker_id":"off_roy_sudler_jr","speaker_confidence":0.9,"start_sec":2316.48,"end_sec":2318.88,"text":"Yeah, just And the fine is removed.","topics_json":"[\"housing\"]","vector_id":"vec_seg_99562_207","created_at":"2026-10-31T06:11:00Z","speaker_name":"Roy Sudler, Jr."},{"id":"seg_99562_208","meeting_id":"99562","media_asset_id":"med_99562_e480c7910119af4c","agenda_item_id":null,"speaker_id":"spk_99562_board_member","speaker_confidence":0.85,"start_sec":2318.98,"end_sec":2320.18,"text":"Yep. Yep. 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Uh when I- yes, when we met with Mr. England, um as long as I was showing... Yes, oh yes. 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But right now, hold on. Standby. Standby one second. 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Thank you. Um Thank you. Chair recognizes Code Enforcement Officer Kopp.","topics_json":"[]","vector_id":"vec_seg_99562_58","created_at":"2026-10-31T06:10:59Z","speaker_name":"Roy Sudler, Jr."},{"id":"seg_99562_59","meeting_id":"99562","media_asset_id":"med_99562_e480c7910119af4c","agenda_item_id":null,"speaker_id":"spk_99562_eddie_kopp","speaker_confidence":0.95,"start_sec":750.71,"end_sec":788.61,"text":"All right. Just for the record, Chief Code Enforcement Officer Eddie Kopp for the City of Dover. Um Kent County probate records show this property was transferred to Jocelyn Jones on 8/21 of 2020. Um just a little bit of clarification, what she's what she's testifying to is this property is would be exempt from the vacant building fees, but this case before you today is actually a dangerous building case, which when it comes down to life safety and the quality of life for all citizens of Dover, there is no exemptions when it comes down to a dangerous building. 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Um, and uh it has been in a uh the state of repair that it's in now since 2020. So we are, since we've been aware of it, it's going on six years that this building is uh sitting there uh and is a nuisance. So, uh just to take that into consideration as you're doing your deliberations.","topics_json":"[\"housing\",\"zoning\"]","vector_id":"vec_seg_99562_60","created_at":"2026-10-31T06:10:59Z","speaker_name":null},{"id":"seg_99562_61","meeting_id":"99562","media_asset_id":"med_99562_e480c7910119af4c","agenda_item_id":null,"speaker_id":"off_roy_sudler_jr","speaker_confidence":0.85,"start_sec":784.13,"end_sec":786.33,"text":"Chair recognizes Charles Martin.","topics_json":"[]","vector_id":"vec_seg_99562_61","created_at":"2026-10-31T06:10:59Z","speaker_name":"Roy Sudler, Jr."},{"id":"seg_99562_62","meeting_id":"99562","media_asset_id":"med_99562_e480c7910119af4c","agenda_item_id":null,"speaker_id":"spk_99562_charles_martin","speaker_confidence":0.95,"start_sec":786.43,"end_sec":793.33,"text":"Charles Martin. Um, how much are the fines that are owed and have any of those fines been paid?","topics_json":"[\"budget\",\"housing\"]","vector_id":"vec_seg_99562_62","created_at":"2026-10-31T06:10:59Z","speaker_name":"Charles Martin"},{"id":"seg_99562_63","meeting_id":"99562","media_asset_id":"med_99562_e480c7910119af4c","agenda_item_id":null,"speaker_id":"spk_99562_board_member","speaker_confidence":0.7,"start_sec":793.43,"end_sec":795.93,"text":"I get those two mixed up.","topics_json":"[]","vector_id":"vec_seg_99562_63","created_at":"2026-10-31T06:10:59Z","speaker_name":null},{"id":"seg_99562_64","meeting_id":"99562","media_asset_id":"med_99562_e480c7910119af4c","agenda_item_id":null,"speaker_id":"spk_99562_city_staff","speaker_confidence":0.85,"start_sec":797.13,"end_sec":800.63,"text":"Stand by and I will let you know.","topics_json":"[]","vector_id":"vec_seg_99562_64","created_at":"2026-10-31T06:10:59Z","speaker_name":null},{"id":"seg_99562_65","meeting_id":"99562","media_asset_id":"med_99562_e480c7910119af4c","agenda_item_id":null,"speaker_id":"spk_99562_city_staff","speaker_confidence":0.9,"start_sec":801.53,"end_sec":817.33,"text":"While I'm on here, just for the record, this property, the last um the the last time it had electric was 1/2 of 2020. So this property has not had electric since January 2nd of 2020.","topics_json":"[\"housing\"]","vector_id":"vec_seg_99562_65","created_at":"2026-10-31T06:10:59Z","speaker_name":null},{"id":"seg_99562_66","meeting_id":"99562","media_asset_id":"med_99562_e480c7910119af4c","agenda_item_id":null,"speaker_id":"spk_99562_city_staff","speaker_confidence":0.85,"start_sec":826.13,"end_sec":830.03,"text":"For this particular case, I'm pulling up the fees.","topics_json":"[\"budget\"]","vector_id":"vec_seg_99562_66","created_at":"2026-10-31T06:10:59Z","speaker_name":null},{"id":"seg_99562_67","meeting_id":"99562","media_asset_id":"med_99562_e480c7910119af4c","agenda_item_id":null,"speaker_id":"spk_99562_board_member","speaker_confidence":0.7,"start_sec":830.03,"end_sec":831.63,"text":"Does it say something about electrical inspection?","topics_json":"[\"housing\"]","vector_id":"vec_seg_99562_67","created_at":"2026-10-31T06:10:59Z","speaker_name":null},{"id":"seg_99562_68","meeting_id":"99562","media_asset_id":"med_99562_e480c7910119af4c","agenda_item_id":null,"speaker_id":"spk_99562_city_staff_2","speaker_confidence":0.85,"start_sec":831.93,"end_sec":852.63,"text":"And and just for the record, uh fees can be uh assessed daily. And at at this point, they're at $1,000 per violation. We only We only do the highest violation, and we usually do it monthly, but it could be assessed um daily.","topics_json":"[\"budget\",\"housing\"]","vector_id":"vec_seg_99562_68","created_at":"2026-10-31T06:10:59Z","speaker_name":null},{"id":"seg_99562_69","meeting_id":"99562","media_asset_id":"med_99562_e480c7910119af4c","agenda_item_id":null,"speaker_id":"spk_99562_charles_martin","speaker_confidence":0.9,"start_sec":852.93,"end_sec":856.13,"text":"Right, so is it only if the balance...","topics_json":"[\"budget\"]","vector_id":"vec_seg_99562_69","created_at":"2026-10-31T06:10:59Z","speaker_name":"Charles Martin"},{"id":"seg_99562_7","meeting_id":"99562","media_asset_id":"med_99562_e480c7910119af4c","agenda_item_id":null,"speaker_id":"off_andre_m_boggerty","speaker_confidence":0.98,"start_sec":41,"end_sec":45.4,"text":"It has been properly moved and seconded. Ready for the question. 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But we only, we only picked the, the most severe and issue the, the, the citation on one, one violation each month.","topics_json":"[\"housing\"]","vector_id":"vec_seg_99562_73","created_at":"2026-10-31T06:10:59Z","speaker_name":null},{"id":"seg_99562_74","meeting_id":"99562","media_asset_id":"med_99562_e480c7910119af4c","agenda_item_id":null,"speaker_id":"spk_99562_property_owner","speaker_confidence":0.85,"start_sec":884.65,"end_sec":887.55,"text":"What, what was, what's, what's the most severe?","topics_json":"[\"housing\"]","vector_id":"vec_seg_99562_74","created_at":"2026-10-31T06:10:59Z","speaker_name":null},{"id":"seg_99562_75","meeting_id":"99562","media_asset_id":"med_99562_e480c7910119af4c","agenda_item_id":null,"speaker_id":"spk_99562_city_staff","speaker_confidence":0.85,"start_sec":887.55,"end_sec":893.15,"text":"Um, no utilities. You haven't had electricity or water to that property.","topics_json":"[\"housing\"]","vector_id":"vec_seg_99562_75","created_at":"2026-10-31T06:10:59Z","speaker_name":null},{"id":"seg_99562_76","meeting_id":"99562","media_asset_id":"med_99562_e480c7910119af4c","agenda_item_id":null,"speaker_id":"spk_99562_property_owner","speaker_confidence":0.85,"start_sec":893.15,"end_sec":914.75,"text":"Okay, but we had the electrical inspection and that was complete, that was passed. They will not turn the electric on because of the outstanding, um, fee, vacant building fees. So that's creating a financial hardship.","topics_json":"[\"housing\",\"business\"]","vector_id":"vec_seg_99562_76","created_at":"2026-10-31T06:10:59Z","speaker_name":null},{"id":"seg_99562_77","meeting_id":"99562","media_asset_id":"med_99562_e480c7910119af4c","agenda_item_id":null,"speaker_id":"spk_99562_board_member","speaker_confidence":0.85,"start_sec":918.55,"end_sec":946.15,"text":"All right. So total, um, just for clarification, total for this case is at $4,100, um, over the course of six years, which is a, a pretty low number. Um, but before you today, the only thing up for debate would be the last-issued citation of $1,000. Um, the previous fees, since they weren't appealed within the 30 days, the only, um, fine that can be considered is the $1,000 fine, the last-issued citation.","topics_json":"[\"housing\",\"budget\"]","vector_id":"vec_seg_99562_77","created_at":"2026-10-31T06:10:59Z","speaker_name":null},{"id":"seg_99562_78","meeting_id":"99562","media_asset_id":"med_99562_e480c7910119af4c","agenda_item_id":null,"speaker_id":"spk_99562_property_owner","speaker_confidence":0.85,"start_sec":947.95,"end_sec":963.15,"text":"Um, I just wanted to, I just wanted to say, um, when I met with Mr. Ingram, my son and I, um, as long as we were showing progress with repairs with the store, everything was supposed to be okay. So that's what was happening. I","topics_json":"[\"housing\",\"business\"]","vector_id":"vec_seg_99562_78","created_at":"2026-10-31T06:10:59Z","speaker_name":null},{"id":"seg_99562_79","meeting_id":"99562","media_asset_id":"med_99562_e480c7910119af4c","agenda_item_id":null,"speaker_id":"spk_99562_property_owner","speaker_confidence":0.85,"start_sec":963.16,"end_sec":986.46,"text":"ran into a mishap with the contractor, um just like I said. So that caused another financial hardship. So I'm not trying to intentionally not do um the repairs on the store. I'm trying to bring it up to code. 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I haven't, um--","topics_json":"[\"public_safety\"]","vector_id":"vec_seg_99562_82","created_at":"2026-10-31T06:10:59Z","speaker_name":null},{"id":"seg_99562_83","meeting_id":"99562","media_asset_id":"med_99562_e480c7910119af4c","agenda_item_id":null,"speaker_id":"off_fred_a_neil","speaker_confidence":0.95,"start_sec":1013.56,"end_sec":1021.16,"text":"Ultimately, the dangerous buildings of what we have seen is that it is a magnet for criminal activity.","topics_json":"[\"public_safety\"]","vector_id":"vec_seg_99562_83","created_at":"2026-10-31T06:10:59Z","speaker_name":"Fred A. 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I have to call your vote for um on this appeal um um because I I I the I think everything is where it is. So I'll entertain at this time, I'll entertain a motion.","topics_json":"[\"housing\",\"zoning\"]","vector_id":"vec_seg_99562_89","created_at":"2026-10-31T06:10:59Z","speaker_name":null},{"id":"seg_99562_9","meeting_id":"99562","media_asset_id":"med_99562_e480c7910119af4c","agenda_item_id":null,"speaker_id":"off_andre_m_boggerty","speaker_confidence":0.98,"start_sec":46.8,"end_sec":135.8,"text":"Um, the motion carries by consent. We have, uh, three a- agenda items. The first individual I don't see present, so we'll start with number it we'll start with number two, um, the property at 2009 Property Maintenance I'm sorry, we'll start with item number two, 2009 Property Maintenance Code citation, um, Chapter 3, General Requirements, Section 304, uh, protective treatment. The appeal of citation and fine for the address of 34 North State Street. The owner of record is Delaware State University. Is there a representative for Delaware State University on online?","topics_json":"[\"housing\",\"zoning\"]","vector_id":"vec_seg_99562_9","created_at":"2026-10-31T06:10:59Z","speaker_name":"Andre M. 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Are you ready for the question? All those in favor signify by saying aye.","topics_json":"[\"housing\",\"zoning\"]","vector_id":"vec_seg_99562_92","created_at":"2026-10-31T06:10:59Z","speaker_name":null},{"id":"seg_99562_93","meeting_id":"99562","media_asset_id":"med_99562_e480c7910119af4c","agenda_item_id":null,"speaker_id":"spk_99562_board_members","speaker_confidence":0.85,"start_sec":1106.28,"end_sec":1107.28,"text":"Aye.","topics_json":"[\"housing\",\"zoning\"]","vector_id":"vec_seg_99562_93","created_at":"2026-10-31T06:10:59Z","speaker_name":null},{"id":"seg_99562_94","meeting_id":"99562","media_asset_id":"med_99562_e480c7910119af4c","agenda_item_id":null,"speaker_id":"spk_99562_chairperson","speaker_confidence":0.9,"start_sec":1107.28,"end_sec":1170.98,"text":"The motion carries by consent. Unfortunately, the appeal has been denied and you have to follow the instructions of Code Enforcement and or um what other opportunities. So at this time, uh Miss Jones, we wish you the best, but if you do have other information to consider, please uh send that in so so we can","topics_json":"[\"housing\",\"zoning\"]","vector_id":"vec_seg_99562_94","created_at":"2026-10-31T06:10:59Z","speaker_name":null},{"id":"seg_99562_95","meeting_id":"99562","media_asset_id":"med_99562_e480c7910119af4c","agenda_item_id":null,"speaker_id":"spk_99562_ms_jones","speaker_confidence":0.9,"start_sec":1170.98,"end_sec":1173.88,"text":"So where where where am I supposed to send the information into?","topics_json":"[\"housing\",\"zoning\"]","vector_id":"vec_seg_99562_95","created_at":"2026-10-31T06:10:59Z","speaker_name":"Ms. Jones"},{"id":"seg_99562_96","meeting_id":"99562","media_asset_id":"med_99562_e480c7910119af4c","agenda_item_id":null,"speaker_id":"spk_99562_chairperson","speaker_confidence":0.9,"start_sec":1173.88,"end_sec":1177.18,"text":"You send it to Code Enforcement or City Clerk's office, either one.","topics_json":"[\"housing\",\"zoning\"]","vector_id":"vec_seg_99562_96","created_at":"2026-10-31T06:10:59Z","speaker_name":null},{"id":"seg_99562_97","meeting_id":"99562","media_asset_id":"med_99562_e480c7910119af4c","agenda_item_id":null,"speaker_id":"spk_99562_board_chair","speaker_confidence":0.9,"start_sec":1177.2,"end_sec":1200.5,"text":"just to let us know the status of where we are with the case. For those who were here, you remember this particular case, and and um what corrective actions have been taken, if if any have taken place and are they still in place. So I'll yield to Code Enforcement to provide a briefing of what of what we're dealing with for those who may not have been here.","topics_json":"[\"housing\"]","vector_id":"vec_seg_99562_97","created_at":"2026-10-31T06:10:59Z","speaker_name":null},{"id":"seg_99562_98","meeting_id":"99562","media_asset_id":"med_99562_e480c7910119af4c","agenda_item_id":null,"speaker_id":"spk_99562_thomas_miller","speaker_confidence":1,"start_sec":1200.5,"end_sec":1214.5,"text":"Uh my name is Thomas Miller, um City of Dover Code Enforcement. Um this case is brought has been brought into compliance um for uh since the last hearing.","topics_json":"[\"housing\"]","vector_id":"vec_seg_99562_98","created_at":"2026-10-31T06:10:59Z","speaker_name":"Thomas Miller"},{"id":"seg_99562_99","meeting_id":"99562","media_asset_id":"med_99562_e480c7910119af4c","agenda_item_id":null,"speaker_id":"spk_99562_board_chair","speaker_confidence":0.9,"start_sec":1214.5,"end_sec":1283,"text":"Okay. So, that's quick and easy. That um the matter has been brought into compliance, the owner of record is here, so we can make a proper uh decision on this matter. So, um I'll call in I'll call the matter matter in question. Um I'll call I'll move for a motion in the matter of the of the property. Um because it has been complied with, I'll entertain a motion.","topics_json":"[\"housing\"]","vector_id":"vec_seg_99562_99","created_at":"2026-10-31T06:10:59Z","speaker_name":null},{"id":"seg_99944_1","meeting_id":"99944","media_asset_id":"med_99944_153d63b5a71a2775","agenda_item_id":null,"speaker_id":"off_gerald_l_rocha_sr","speaker_confidence":0.95,"start_sec":0,"end_sec":3.55,"text":"All right, is there a motion to adopt or amend the agenda?","topics_json":"[]","vector_id":"vec_seg_99944_1","created_at":"2026-10-31T04:44:39Z","speaker_name":"Gerald L. Rocha, Sr."},{"id":"seg_99944_10","meeting_id":"99944","media_asset_id":"med_99944_153d63b5a71a2775","agenda_item_id":null,"speaker_id":"spk_99944_sharon_duca","speaker_confidence":0.95,"start_sec":29.11,"end_sec":40.11,"text":"Good evening. Good evening, council, chair, mayor. Good to have you all here this evening, and the items on the agenda for tonight is proposed ordinance related to the public--","topics_json":"[\"public_safety\"]","vector_id":"vec_seg_99944_10","created_at":"2026-10-31T04:44:39Z","speaker_name":"Sharon Duca"},{"id":"seg_99944_11","meeting_id":"99944","media_asset_id":"med_99944_153d63b5a71a2775","agenda_item_id":null,"speaker_id":"off_robin_r_christiansen","speaker_confidence":0.95,"start_sec":73.12,"end_sec":75.96,"text":"Is that the newest member of the IT team?","topics_json":"[]","vector_id":"vec_seg_99944_11","created_at":"2026-10-31T04:44:39Z","speaker_name":"Robin R. Christiansen"},{"id":"seg_99944_12","meeting_id":"99944","media_asset_id":"med_99944_153d63b5a71a2775","agenda_item_id":null,"speaker_id":"off_robin_r_christiansen","speaker_confidence":0.95,"start_sec":83.77,"end_sec":85.19,"text":"She's always plugged in.","topics_json":"[]","vector_id":"vec_seg_99944_12","created_at":"2026-10-31T04:44:39Z","speaker_name":"Robin R. Christiansen"},{"id":"seg_99944_13","meeting_id":"99944","media_asset_id":"med_99944_153d63b5a71a2775","agenda_item_id":null,"speaker_id":"spk_99944_sharon_duca","speaker_confidence":0.95,"start_sec":86.26,"end_sec":166.83,"text":"Um, so the item on the agenda is an ordinance related to the development of a public safety fee, uh, specifically a public safety fund, as was discussed during the, um, budget hearings in the, near the end of May. Uh, the fund is developed to develop or pay for administrative and capital costs for police and fire services, uh, which would also include debt service. Uh, the ordinance itself was drafted after the current EMS or, um, basic ambulance service fund that is currently in the ordinance, um, basically outlining the similar requirements. Uh, there is an exemption provided for properties covered by the public safety higher education fund. Um, otherwise, it is set up where the fees and fee schedule would be provided in the rates and tariffs, which is also on the schedule for council this evening to review. So I'd be more than happy to take any, uh, questions regarding the proposed ordinance.","topics_json":"[\"budget\",\"public_safety\"]","vector_id":"vec_seg_99944_13","created_at":"2026-10-31T04:44:39Z","speaker_name":"Sharon Duca"},{"id":"seg_99944_14","meeting_id":"99944","media_asset_id":"med_99944_153d63b5a71a2775","agenda_item_id":null,"speaker_id":"off_gerald_l_rocha_sr","speaker_confidence":0.95,"start_sec":167.19,"end_sec":174.29,"text":"Yeah. Uh, questions? Questions from members of the committee? Uh, Councilman Lewis?","topics_json":"[]","vector_id":"vec_seg_99944_14","created_at":"2026-10-31T04:44:39Z","speaker_name":"Gerald L. Rocha, Sr."},{"id":"seg_99944_15","meeting_id":"99944","media_asset_id":"med_99944_153d63b5a71a2775","agenda_item_id":null,"speaker_id":"off_brian_e_lewis","speaker_confidence":0.95,"start_sec":174.32,"end_sec":183.16,"text":"Uh, thank you, uh, Mr. Chairman. Uh, Ms. Duca, how much is this going to cost our constituents? I don't see a fee in the, in the proposed ordinance.","topics_json":"[\"budget\",\"taxes\"]","vector_id":"vec_seg_99944_15","created_at":"2026-10-31T04:44:39Z","speaker_name":"Brian E. Lewis"},{"id":"seg_99944_16","meeting_id":"99944","media_asset_id":"med_99944_153d63b5a71a2775","agenda_item_id":null,"speaker_id":"spk_99944_sharon_duca","speaker_confidence":0.95,"start_sec":183.16,"end_sec":196.65,"text":"Well, the, the ordinance itself is set up similar to, um, following our sanitation, our electric, so on, where those rates are included in the rates and tariffs. Um, but, um, after action taken by council during the hearings--","topics_json":"[\"budget\",\"taxes\"]","vector_id":"vec_seg_99944_16","created_at":"2026-10-31T04:44:39Z","speaker_name":"Sharon Duca"},{"id":"seg_99944_17","meeting_id":"99944","media_asset_id":"med_99944_153d63b5a71a2775","agenda_item_id":null,"speaker_id":"spk_99944_sharon_duca","speaker_confidence":0.95,"start_sec":196.65,"end_sec":210.31,"text":"The residential rate is set at zero. Uh commercial is divided into three groups: small, medium, and large, which uh basically coincide with electric designations for sizing commercial. Uh those rates are $10, $20, and $40 a month um according to that.","topics_json":"[\"taxes\",\"business\",\"budget\"]","vector_id":"vec_seg_99944_17","created_at":"2026-10-31T04:44:39Z","speaker_name":"Sharon Duca"},{"id":"seg_99944_18","meeting_id":"99944","media_asset_id":"med_99944_153d63b5a71a2775","agenda_item_id":null,"speaker_id":"off_gerald_l_rocha_sr","speaker_confidence":0.85,"start_sec":210.31,"end_sec":219.19,"text":"Understood. Oh yeah, thank you. I I do remember us having that discussion where I think Mr. Anderson made a motion not to put this on the residents, but on on the businesses instead or or the commercial properties.","topics_json":"[\"taxes\",\"business\",\"budget\"]","vector_id":"vec_seg_99944_18","created_at":"2026-10-31T04:44:39Z","speaker_name":"Gerald L. Rocha, Sr."},{"id":"seg_99944_19","meeting_id":"99944","media_asset_id":"med_99944_153d63b5a71a2775","agenda_item_id":null,"speaker_id":"spk_99944_sharon_duca","speaker_confidence":0.95,"start_sec":219.19,"end_sec":223.97,"text":"Right. It is set up so that uh at some future time, if there's a decision to include residential, it could be done.","topics_json":"[\"taxes\",\"housing\"]","vector_id":"vec_seg_99944_19","created_at":"2026-10-31T04:44:39Z","speaker_name":"Sharon Duca"},{"id":"seg_99944_2","meeting_id":"99944","media_asset_id":"med_99944_153d63b5a71a2775","agenda_item_id":null,"speaker_id":"off_tricia_k_arndt","speaker_confidence":0.95,"start_sec":3.76,"end_sec":4.89,"text":"Move to adopt the agenda.","topics_json":"[]","vector_id":"vec_seg_99944_2","created_at":"2026-10-31T04:44:39Z","speaker_name":"Tricia K. Arndt"},{"id":"seg_99944_20","meeting_id":"99944","media_asset_id":"med_99944_153d63b5a71a2775","agenda_item_id":null,"speaker_id":"off_gerald_l_rocha_sr","speaker_confidence":0.85,"start_sec":223.97,"end_sec":225.52,"text":"Great. Thank you. I yield.","topics_json":"[]","vector_id":"vec_seg_99944_20","created_at":"2026-10-31T04:44:39Z","speaker_name":"Gerald L. Rocha, Sr."},{"id":"seg_99944_21","meeting_id":"99944","media_asset_id":"med_99944_153d63b5a71a2775","agenda_item_id":null,"speaker_id":"off_david_l_anderson","speaker_confidence":0.95,"start_sec":225.52,"end_sec":278.55,"text":"Thank you. Thank you. And one of the important aspects of it is that this uh that the commercial isn't just business. It's commercial, so it applies to the nonprofits, etcetera, that get the same service uh just like the EMS fee does, the service, because we don't want to target our businesses, you know, but it's important. Uh there it costs them a lot less to do this if we do it right than if it does to hire security for sure. Um so um I will, and— Mr. Mayor.","topics_json":"[\"business\",\"taxes\",\"public_safety\"]","vector_id":"vec_seg_99944_21","created_at":"2026-10-31T04:44:39Z","speaker_name":"David L. Anderson"},{"id":"seg_99944_22","meeting_id":"99944","media_asset_id":"med_99944_153d63b5a71a2775","agenda_item_id":null,"speaker_id":"off_robin_r_christiansen","speaker_confidence":0.95,"start_sec":278.55,"end_sec":291.03,"text":"You're recognized. Mr. uh Mr. Chair, before I speak, is there any other member of council that uh wants to speak to the subject? Uh so these funds are going to be encumbered for the uh police and fire department, and they will not go into general fund, or will they? How would they be allotted?","topics_json":"[\"budget\",\"public_safety\"]","vector_id":"vec_seg_99944_22","created_at":"2026-10-31T04:44:39Z","speaker_name":"Robin R. Christiansen"},{"id":"seg_99944_23","meeting_id":"99944","media_asset_id":"med_99944_153d63b5a71a2775","agenda_item_id":null,"speaker_id":"spk_99944_sharon_duca","speaker_confidence":0.95,"start_sec":291.03,"end_sec":334.99,"text":"They will be allocated for specific expenses related to police and fire. Fire, in particular, would be related to uh fire truck debt service and purchases. Um police is related to their administrative expenses and capital costs. So, um by establishment of the separate fund, it ensures that they are going directly to where they're supposed to um due to the additional accounting standards that are required to monitor those funds.","topics_json":"[\"budget\",\"public_safety\"]","vector_id":"vec_seg_99944_23","created_at":"2026-10-31T04:44:39Z","speaker_name":"Sharon Duca"},{"id":"seg_99944_24","meeting_id":"99944","media_asset_id":"med_99944_153d63b5a71a2775","agenda_item_id":null,"speaker_id":"off_robin_r_christiansen","speaker_confidence":0.95,"start_sec":334.99,"end_sec":388.95,"text":"Thank you, Ms. Duca. We have uh over the many years uh had a a fund drive. Has anybody spoken to the chief or the president of the fire company about uh the impact that this would have uh possibly on their fund drive? To date, we've raised $87,000. Uh and I I don't know, have we have we reached out to the chief or or the administrative officer or the president of the fire company to see if they have any concerns about this impacting uh their fund drive? Because the fund drive usually raises about $117,000 less expenses for the solicitation. That's that's my concern. I yield the floor.","topics_json":"[\"public_safety\",\"budget\"]","vector_id":"vec_seg_99944_24","created_at":"2026-10-31T04:44:39Z","speaker_name":"Robin R. Christiansen"},{"id":"seg_99944_25","meeting_id":"99944","media_asset_id":"med_99944_153d63b5a71a2775","agenda_item_id":null,"speaker_id":"off_david_l_anderson","speaker_confidence":0.95,"start_sec":388.95,"end_sec":390.63,"text":"Thank you. Thank you.","topics_json":"[]","vector_id":"vec_seg_99944_25","created_at":"2026-10-31T04:44:39Z","speaker_name":"David L. Anderson"},{"id":"seg_99944_26","meeting_id":"99944","media_asset_id":"med_99944_153d63b5a71a2775","agenda_item_id":null,"speaker_id":"spk_99944_sharon_duca","speaker_confidence":0.95,"start_sec":390.63,"end_sec":393.3,"text":"If I could add one thing, um particularly for the fire service,","topics_json":"[\"public_safety\"]","vector_id":"vec_seg_99944_26","created_at":"2026-10-31T04:44:39Z","speaker_name":"Sharon Duca"},{"id":"seg_99944_27","meeting_id":"99944","media_asset_id":"med_99944_153d63b5a71a2775","agenda_item_id":null,"speaker_id":"spk_99944_sharon_duca","speaker_confidence":0.95,"start_sec":393.29,"end_sec":412.66,"text":"I think it's important that the public understand that these we don't actually, other than the allotment we give the fire service once a year, we don't actually cover their full expenses. A lot of that is run through the volunteer fire department. So this is the city basically covers for the fire truck purchases and that's what this is being focused on on the fire side. So those needs of the fire department are not negated by doing this.","topics_json":"[\"budget\",\"public_safety\"]","vector_id":"vec_seg_99944_27","created_at":"2026-10-31T04:44:39Z","speaker_name":"Sharon Duca"},{"id":"seg_99944_28","meeting_id":"99944","media_asset_id":"med_99944_153d63b5a71a2775","agenda_item_id":null,"speaker_id":"off_andre_m_boggerty","speaker_confidence":0.95,"start_sec":412.66,"end_sec":413.78,"text":"Thank you.","topics_json":"[]","vector_id":"vec_seg_99944_28","created_at":"2026-10-31T04:44:39Z","speaker_name":"Andre M. Boggerty"},{"id":"seg_99944_29","meeting_id":"99944","media_asset_id":"med_99944_153d63b5a71a2775","agenda_item_id":null,"speaker_id":"off_david_l_anderson","speaker_confidence":0.95,"start_sec":413.78,"end_sec":479.91,"text":"And I I did speak with Chief Carey about it and he had raised no objections to it. In fact, he seemed to like the idea of of it being a full public safety aspect to it, just in case we ever lose the higher education allotment, it would provide a mechanism. Assuming that depending on what we do in the next month, with a different discussion, I'd be very happy if this is temporary and we repeal it, but and replace it with something better, but it's what we have now. Anyway, that's but I did I did speak with him about it. So and and I'm not saying he gave a thumbs up one way or another, but he didn't express any concerns to me, and he did like the back up that that it could be a back up if need be in the future.","topics_json":"[\"budget\",\"public_safety\"]","vector_id":"vec_seg_99944_29","created_at":"2026-10-31T04:44:39Z","speaker_name":"David L. Anderson"},{"id":"seg_99944_3","meeting_id":"99944","media_asset_id":"med_99944_153d63b5a71a2775","agenda_item_id":null,"speaker_id":"spk_99944_daniel_shevock","speaker_confidence":0.9,"start_sec":4.9,"end_sec":5.61,"text":"Second.","topics_json":"[]","vector_id":"vec_seg_99944_3","created_at":"2026-10-31T04:44:39Z","speaker_name":"Daniel Shevock"},{"id":"seg_99944_30","meeting_id":"99944","media_asset_id":"med_99944_153d63b5a71a2775","agenda_item_id":null,"speaker_id":"off_andre_m_boggerty","speaker_confidence":0.95,"start_sec":479.91,"end_sec":483.64,"text":"I think that's it then. All right, is there a motion? Oh, Councilman Lewis.","topics_json":"[]","vector_id":"vec_seg_99944_30","created_at":"2026-10-31T04:44:39Z","speaker_name":"Andre M. Boggerty"},{"id":"seg_99944_31","meeting_id":"99944","media_asset_id":"med_99944_153d63b5a71a2775","agenda_item_id":null,"speaker_id":"off_brian_e_lewis","speaker_confidence":0.95,"start_sec":483.64,"end_sec":492.14,"text":"Thank you, Mr. Chair. The only question I have is if there's any money left over, specifically it states in the ordinance that the money has to be allocated for certain things, am I correct?","topics_json":"[\"budget\"]","vector_id":"vec_seg_99944_31","created_at":"2026-10-31T04:44:39Z","speaker_name":"Brian E. Lewis"},{"id":"seg_99944_32","meeting_id":"99944","media_asset_id":"med_99944_153d63b5a71a2775","agenda_item_id":null,"speaker_id":"spk_99944_sharon_duca","speaker_confidence":0.95,"start_sec":492.14,"end_sec":517.79,"text":"That's correct.","topics_json":"[\"budget\"]","vector_id":"vec_seg_99944_32","created_at":"2026-10-31T04:44:39Z","speaker_name":"Sharon Duca"},{"id":"seg_99944_33","meeting_id":"99944","media_asset_id":"med_99944_153d63b5a71a2775","agenda_item_id":null,"speaker_id":"off_brian_e_lewis","speaker_confidence":0.95,"start_sec":517.79,"end_sec":541.63,"text":"So if there's funding left over, what's going to happen? Will that have to come back to Council to be appropriated to something specific? Just hypothetically if there's any money left over because it states, again I reiterate, that it has to be allocated for certain things. Example, if there's extra money left over in the Police Department and the Chief wants to go out and buy some drones, can he go ahead and rightfully do that or does that have to come back to Council or you? Can you explain that or elaborate on my question?","topics_json":"[\"budget\",\"public_safety\"]","vector_id":"vec_seg_99944_33","created_at":"2026-10-31T04:44:39Z","speaker_name":"Brian E. Lewis"},{"id":"seg_99944_34","meeting_id":"99944","media_asset_id":"med_99944_153d63b5a71a2775","agenda_item_id":null,"speaker_id":"spk_99944_sharon_duca","speaker_confidence":0.95,"start_sec":541.63,"end_sec":589.94,"text":"I think one of the important things with a fund like this, particularly with the diversity that it sets up for what can be covered, that should really be discussed during the budget hearings, so that Council can know exactly where we're planning on allocating those funds to. So if it's $600,000 for the year, we're going to tell you where that $600,000 is being applied to. So there shouldn't be a finding of money, but considering the setup of going through the budget hearings and going to Council, if there was something additional discovered...","topics_json":"[\"budget\"]","vector_id":"vec_seg_99944_34","created_at":"2026-10-31T04:44:39Z","speaker_name":"Sharon Duca"},{"id":"seg_99944_35","meeting_id":"99944","media_asset_id":"med_99944_153d63b5a71a2775","agenda_item_id":null,"speaker_id":"spk_99944_sharon_duca","speaker_confidence":0.9,"start_sec":589.94,"end_sec":593.54,"text":"That would should come back to Council again for discussion.","topics_json":"[]","vector_id":"vec_seg_99944_35","created_at":"2026-10-31T04:44:39Z","speaker_name":"Sharon Duca"},{"id":"seg_99944_36","meeting_id":"99944","media_asset_id":"med_99944_153d63b5a71a2775","agenda_item_id":null,"speaker_id":"off_brian_e_lewis","speaker_confidence":1,"start_sec":594.08,"end_sec":601.78,"text":"Okay, thank you. So I just want to make sure, again, that the money is specifically allocated for what's supposed to be allocated for.","topics_json":"[\"budget\"]","vector_id":"vec_seg_99944_36","created_at":"2026-10-31T04:44:39Z","speaker_name":"Brian E. Lewis"},{"id":"seg_99944_37","meeting_id":"99944","media_asset_id":"med_99944_153d63b5a71a2775","agenda_item_id":null,"speaker_id":"spk_99944_sharon_duca","speaker_confidence":0.9,"start_sec":602.1,"end_sec":602.94,"text":"That's correct.","topics_json":"[]","vector_id":"vec_seg_99944_37","created_at":"2026-10-31T04:44:39Z","speaker_name":"Sharon Duca"},{"id":"seg_99944_38","meeting_id":"99944","media_asset_id":"med_99944_153d63b5a71a2775","agenda_item_id":null,"speaker_id":"off_brian_e_lewis","speaker_confidence":1,"start_sec":602.98,"end_sec":603.84,"text":"Thank you.","topics_json":"[]","vector_id":"vec_seg_99944_38","created_at":"2026-10-31T04:44:39Z","speaker_name":"Brian E. Lewis"},{"id":"seg_99944_39","meeting_id":"99944","media_asset_id":"med_99944_153d63b5a71a2775","agenda_item_id":null,"speaker_id":"off_david_l_anderson","speaker_confidence":1,"start_sec":607.52,"end_sec":625.74,"text":"Yeah. Thank you- thank you for that question, Councilman Lewis. This is, uh, reason why it's being done in the fund is for transparency, so that the public can have the utmost trust in where the money goes and what it's utilized for. Um, and, um,","topics_json":"[\"budget\"]","vector_id":"vec_seg_99944_39","created_at":"2026-10-31T04:44:39Z","speaker_name":"David L. Anderson"},{"id":"seg_99944_4","meeting_id":"99944","media_asset_id":"med_99944_153d63b5a71a2775","agenda_item_id":null,"speaker_id":"off_gerald_l_rocha_sr","speaker_confidence":0.95,"start_sec":5.68,"end_sec":11.11,"text":"Moved uh by Councilwoman Arndt to adopt the agenda, seconded by Mr. Shevock.","topics_json":"[]","vector_id":"vec_seg_99944_4","created_at":"2026-10-31T04:44:39Z","speaker_name":"Gerald L. Rocha, Sr."},{"id":"seg_99944_40","meeting_id":"99944","media_asset_id":"med_99944_153d63b5a71a2775","agenda_item_id":null,"speaker_id":"off_david_l_anderson","speaker_confidence":1,"start_sec":627,"end_sec":629.44,"text":"yes, I'm stretching a little bit.","topics_json":"[]","vector_id":"vec_seg_99944_40","created_at":"2026-10-31T04:44:39Z","speaker_name":"David L. Anderson"},{"id":"seg_99944_41","meeting_id":"99944","media_asset_id":"med_99944_153d63b5a71a2775","agenda_item_id":null,"speaker_id":"off_david_l_anderson","speaker_confidence":1,"start_sec":631.46,"end_sec":633.76,"text":"Give Give you a chance to get up here.","topics_json":"[]","vector_id":"vec_seg_99944_41","created_at":"2026-10-31T04:44:39Z","speaker_name":"David L. Anderson"},{"id":"seg_99944_42","meeting_id":"99944","media_asset_id":"med_99944_153d63b5a71a2775","agenda_item_id":null,"speaker_id":"off_david_l_anderson","speaker_confidence":1,"start_sec":634.46,"end_sec":639.26,"text":"Like old times here. You remember when Legislative Finance used to all be up here?","topics_json":"[]","vector_id":"vec_seg_99944_42","created_at":"2026-10-31T04:44:39Z","speaker_name":"David L. 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